๐๏ธ yzbro ยท 1994 points ยท Posted at 12:49:55 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)*
There is a lot of extraordinary stuff out there that sometimes just can't be explained.
EDIT* Wow this blew up! A lot of great finds, going to take me a while to view them all.
yelkca ยท 347 points ยท Posted at 17:37:23 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I remember a photo of a guy who claimed to have been a drug addict at the time. There was a photo takes of him with friends or family or something, and in the photo there's a really creepy dog face with yellow eyes by his shoulder, staring at the camera. Obviously a dog couldn't have gotten it's face up there, and anyway he would have noticed or at least recognized the dog if there was one in the house.
Apparently he took it as a warning that there was evil in him or something like that and stopped doing drugs. I haven't been able to find the photo since I saw on some Animal Planet show a couple years ago. I don't believe in the supernatural, but it's pretty creepy. So if anyone has it/can track it down for me, I'd be very happy. I'm sure it's buried somewhere deep inside the internet.
[deleted] ยท 390 points ยท Posted at 22:14:19 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 282 points ยท Posted at 23:00:49 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
DEAR GOD
s_paperd ยท 89 points ยท Posted at 01:11:44 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I saw this comment and though, "ah, what the hell. I've probably seen worse".
DEAR GOD.
That is evil. I'm not really religious, but that is evil.
TheStoneyVibes ยท 22 points ยท Posted at 03:00:58 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah that scared the bejesus out of me. Nopenopenope.
PerseusRAZ ยท 26 points ยท Posted at 04:43:20 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I think I quit the internet.
Good game, guys, but I fold.
Ninbyo ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 09:43:03 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I don't care if it's photoshop or real, that gave me goosebumps.
Walnut156 ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 05:22:45 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
its late.. and due to this response I think im gonna hold off on clicking that link.
emilizabify ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 05:26:52 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
my thoughts exactly.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:52:00 on December 16, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
It's 4:51am... only a few more hours until light, right? Who needs sleep anyways.
Stormrider006 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:18:32 on December 16, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
It is not bad at all... I was hesitate to click on it, so I just did... And I was very disappointed. haha
willswain ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 02:12:46 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
*DOG
[deleted] ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 00:04:30 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท -17 points ยท Posted at 00:22:33 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
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TheKirkin ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 03:05:02 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Haha who knows why but i laughed at that picture and then was reduced to tears because of your comment.
Clever__Girl ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 04:00:47 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I was laughing so hard too, the dog's face is so ridiculous. It's like it is totally aware of the fact it's photo bombing and finds itself hilarious.
Axelstall ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:27:44 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
It actually reminds me of the shibe meme. Still creepy as heck though
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:04:09 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Insidious had it right all along. We need to start taking pictures of everyone STAT
jonnygreen22 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 08:40:04 on December 17, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I don't know why I looked at it I knew what picture it was going to be. I hate that photo so much
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:02:51 on December 16, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Sheeeit
terraricraft ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:05:18 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
*DOG
King_Pumpernickel ยท 104 points ยท Posted at 23:04:58 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
dude what the fuck
DireOmen ยท 27 points ยท Posted at 00:51:04 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
That was significantly more creepy than I thought it was going to be.
zerrt ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 01:38:11 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Could it not be a double exposure?
CommanderPhoenix ยท 26 points ยท Posted at 01:49:45 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
17spooky58me.
Samislush ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 03:09:31 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
What on Earth possessed me to click that at 3am when I'm about to go bed alone.
TheSandyRavage ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 23:16:00 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
There is no way that is an actual dog. It's either a camera malfunction or even worse....
marmalade ยท 156 points ยท Posted at 23:58:54 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
HELLO
YES, THIS IS SATAN
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 10:58:32 on December 16, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I WAS JUST WONDERING IF YOUR REFRIGERATOR IS RUNNING
CAUSE IF NOT BOYYYY I HAVE A DEAL FOR YOU
enjoyingtheride ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:57:43 on December 16, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
A stoned photo developer working 60 hour weeks in a red room 15ft below the ground.
[deleted] ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 00:59:29 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I'M OUT
xu85 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 02:37:00 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Michael Jackson Thriller dog.
[deleted] ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 00:33:21 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
That pic is freaky as fuck, my dog growled rite next to me about 20 seconds after i closed that tab aswell. Bricks were shit!
GregsGoatee ยท 38 points ยท Posted at 02:23:53 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
yeah.. well my dog farted, can we switch.
superking01 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:09:50 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Looks like the temple and part of an ear of a woman with her hair up.
Drowned_In_Spaghetti ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:21:48 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Soon
wellsy7 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 07:46:28 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
MAYBE THIS IS DOG
pearadise ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:42:05 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Okay, that is seriously satan.
emilizabify ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:26:20 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I want to look at it, bit it's near mu bedtime.... I probably shouldn't.
The_Dead_See ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:31:27 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Of all the dull pictures on this thread, I thought, yeah I'll just look at one more before retiring to bed for the night. BAD FUCKING IDEA.
deminionite ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 10:15:40 on December 16, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
"Did someone say Scooby Snacks?"
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 02:59:53 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Dude this may be the weed, but that scared the shit out of me
Vendunetta ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:23:16 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I couldn't have said it better myself.
Clown_Penis_Fart ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:44:38 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Jesus that dogs all like MWAHAHAHAHAHA
donquexada ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 10:29:46 on December 16, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
very doge
such scary
much nope
wow
Edit: And now I'll probably die for mocking whatever the fuck that was.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 10:59:12 on December 16, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Eddie_Morra ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:06:44 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
That's some really scary shit :O
lostathome1986 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:50:54 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
kind of looks like a calf too. but yeah, fuck that. i saw that years ago on dateline or something i think.
Walnutterzz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:05:06 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
HOLY FUCK
KushTheKitten ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:17:01 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Looks like a doberman or something, not seeing a demon at all. Most likely it's a dog on a table or something.
DasBarenJager ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:20:23 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
He doesn't look like the druggie I was expecting
dufydf ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:55:21 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
FUCK YOU
kmankch ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:37:57 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
CHRIST SHIT
_____monkey ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:12:05 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Now my girlfriend and I can't sleep..
GarlicBreadEater ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:13:15 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I got a shiver down my back just looking at that. Now I don't know if I can continue down this thread :(.
AlmostRP ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:21:43 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I'm going to face a hard time falling asleep now...
thezombiekiller14 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:23:54 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
i am afraid to click this
homeless-programmer ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:28:32 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Double exposure maybe?
ChainerSummons ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:35:56 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Saving. For science. And things.
Hobo-With-A-Shotgun ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:04:13 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
"Well it looks like a do-"
"Nope, demon"
OK then.
passively_attack ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:03:52 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I think that's one of those damn photobombing llamas.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:20:34 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
So, I'm not going to look at the picture, but is it like the dog from the opening of Goosebumps?
enjoyingtheride ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:58:36 on December 16, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah....also looks like the 90s, when photo developing was a major industry. I can see this being a hoax by some kid.
lyndonrules ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:33:43 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
That guy looks mighty fine being addicted to drugs.
sir_stegosaurous_rex ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:36:00 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
That looks just like my Australian cattle dog. I have some questions for him now.
oldmoneey ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:20:22 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Oh that is so bogus. Of course it just HAPPENS to be of a similar color to the background. The more you look at it, the more obvious it becomes that that isn't any sort of dog, just a really good visual trick.
kachicoco ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:12:22 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
El perro del diablo. How can something so cute be so terrifying? But its like hes saying Satan helped him quit a habit, Satans not such a bad guy!
eviltrollwizard ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:38:24 on December 16, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I can't look at this without just seeing a dog.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:53:54 on December 16, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Ah, it's just kingseeker Frampt
jehull24 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:02:56 on December 16, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
All this hype and it wasn't even scary..
shatskyboy0108 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:10:49 on December 17, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Hey kids want some drugs?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:53:08 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
nopenopenopenoepenopenoeopenopenopenopenoenopenopenopenoepnope
TrevenxD ยท 110 points ยท Posted at 20:59:22 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)*
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w3UvzE8-xlw
This?
edit: https://i.imgur.com/fD5Y20r.png (/u/janusz_chytrus)
JimJimmyJimmerson ยท 33 points ยท Posted at 23:08:19 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
This guy is allowed to go around talking at schools? It's a weird photo but that doesn't give you the right to push anti-drug propaganda centered around the idea that evil is a "force" outside of us that is "activated" by drug use. Jesus Christ! His proof of that entire extrapolation is that photo and his own regressive beliefs!!
shutyourgob ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:54:46 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Keep your fedora on.
cavilier210 ยท -22 points ยท Posted at 23:17:57 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)*
Have a problem with other viewpoints?
Edit: Note to self, reddit hates when you ask questions. Oh my.
Nizzleson ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 23:35:19 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not OP, but I don't have a problem with other viewpoints. I do have a problem with anything like this being sent to schools. If it's an opinion based on religious doctrine or personal spiritual belief, it shouldn't be a part of school, unless it's taught in a specific (and optional) theology class.
cavilier210 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 00:41:20 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)*
It really depends on how you define religious really. Schools are centers for indoctrination. The source being a government doesn't change, nor reduce, the damage it can do.
They teach patented falsehoods in schools. Compared to that, I'm alright with the "maybe" of religiously/spiritually driven opinions.
Such a falsehood being taught is that of the typical temperature of the human body, as an example.
JimJimmyJimmerson ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 23:37:42 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Yes. But only unsubstantiated ones and, even in that case, only when they are shared with impressionable kids. He's probably doing more harm than good in trying to spread an anti-drug message based on...that.
"Don't do drugs kids and you'll be able to convince yourselves of anything."
"Shit, Jimmy, I don't want to end up like that guy."
"Well, Tommy, we'd better get to drug doin'!"
That's why me and my brother started doing drugs, except the catalyst was a Billy Graham crusade.
OK, the last part is a joke, but you get my point.
cavilier210 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 00:37:24 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)*
Maybe that's the true purpose.
Edit to expand: Many people have much to gain by driving impressionable youngins to do drugs. Politically, monetarily, and so on.
JimJimmyJimmerson ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:09:09 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Thanks for expanding. I agree that some people may have something to gain from driving youth to drug use, but this guy is on a crusade against "evil" because of a weird picture and subsequent faulty beliefs. Anyone who doesn't buy into his presentation is arguably more at risk of getting into drugs than before they heard him talk, even if just marginally. True Believers are the last people anyone should be listening to. It's possible he's in it for the money, but it seems to me that he's driven by what he honestly believes is true.
By the way, I think you were originally down voted because your question was interpreted as disagreeing with my first post, which many people (especially on Reddit) agree with. A lot of us are baby eaters.
cavilier210 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:59:32 on December 16, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Baby eaters? Well, I wouldn't go that far. Lol
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:45:16 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Because your "question" sounds more rhetorical and condescending, as if he's an idiot for daring to not accept such absurd proposal of evil being a force activated by drug use.
cavilier210 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:52:43 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Its a text based medium. Whatever tone its being interpreted as having isn't a part of the post. The guy I responded to seemed to oppose the idea of allowing points if view outside of his own as being allowed in public schools.
People of many beliefs and backgrounds fund those schools, and banning them from being expressed by speakers would seem pretty shameful to me. To restrict these viewpoints just makes my point of schools being indoctrination centers all the more true.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:34:49 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
No.
It's an educational institution. Allowing "alternative" half brained theories that have no scientific basis is idiotic and detrimental to society.
Tough shit that those that adhere to moronic views pay taxes but don't get their views expressed. Maybe they themselves should go back to school.
cavilier210 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:56:31 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
There's a good deal of faith and belief in science. Physics is currently in the process of possibly overturning many of the assumptions its core theories are based upon. Not to mention that many explanations for theories are explained through metaphor and analogy so the layman can understand it. Something religion has in common with science interestingly enough.
I don't think you quite understand the topic in all honesty. Science can be just as dogmatic and narrow minded as religion. You just support one form of indoctrination over another, as shown by how you choose to finish your response.
Do you believe the normal temp of the human body to be 98.6'? If so, you may want to rethink your opinion on this issue, because that isn't the actual temp.
Just keeping with my previously written example.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:51:14 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)*
Yeah that's horseshit. It's you who doesn't understand that topic.
Science, by its definition seeks enlightenment and an underlying pursuit of truth through rigorous methodology - the scientific method.
Ideas or assumptions that are untrue are discarded. You cannot say the same for religion.
Also you're focusing too much on average body temperature and whether our current understanding of human body temperature somehow serves as a counter to the nature and role of science and the views it espouses.
I suggest you read the article by Isaac Asimov called degrees of truth.
cavilier210 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:06:36 on December 16, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I'm just using an example of a blatant scientific falsehood spread by public schools. Its an example I used earlier to show how they can't even get the science part right, but I'm supposed to be horrified that they allow someone who believes in a deity to speak to kids?
The role of public schools isn't to perpetrate an agenda against the beliefs of the people that make up the community. Not to mention that permission by the parents is most likely given. Thats how it worked where I went to school, and its probably similar throughout the US.
I'm still pretty sure you don't get the point I'm making.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:34:34 on December 16, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
The belief of schools is to spread knowledge based on facts. If they are teaching incorrect information then that needs to chase.
That didn't change the fact that they should not be teaching known falsehoods or otherwise unverifiable data.
cavilier210 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:14:27 on December 16, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
They teach Shakespeare and no one even knows if that was a real person. People have the capability to be independent thinkers who think critically. Those skills don't get taught unless there's reason to use them. Meaning students have to be faced with something that may be completely false for them to understand how to find something completely false.
What kind of teachers did you have? This is a common teaching tool.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:48:55 on December 16, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
"No one even knows if he was a real person"
That's pretty far from the truth... his life is fairly well document, who he married, where he grew up, where he died, etc.
Do you think the moon landing was a hoax?
skinnymidwest ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 21:05:08 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
This has to be it!
mrbrambles ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 22:31:22 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
i mean there is a table back there
PocketFullOfPie ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:00:05 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
How is this NEWS, for crying out loud?
nofx1978 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:03:28 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I am just glad they got experts who wear all black Dashikis. That sold it for me, it is a demon dog.
ChainerSummons ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:39:09 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
For uhhhh... science.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:40:34 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
MasterSplinter21 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 23:43:31 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
wow. such demon. much scared.
YELLHEAH ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 01:33:26 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
John C. Reily @ 1:06
ChainerSummons ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:22:29 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Was his title "Roach potato"...? Really?
XxmsmaliciousxX ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 19:11:17 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Was it that show that is about animals and hauntings? I can't remember the name of the show but I'm sure it isn't hard to find. I'll watch the series if I can find it.
yelkca ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 19:53:33 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I can't remember what is was called, but it was a show where they count down the top 7 of something, and this one just happened to be about animal-related hauntings.
MrMickus ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 20:23:34 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I swear that was from lost tapes.
yelkca ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 20:37:16 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe, but I'm 100% sure that's not where I saw it.
[deleted] ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 21:49:45 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Well this was the most useless comment chain of all time.
MrMickus ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 22:46:05 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
NOT ANYMORE. IMAGE AND ARTICLE! http://www.wnd.com/2007/11/44386/
Tejnin ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:50:16 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Oh of course, the first thing it says is "Colorado man" .... I need to move back to Michigan.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:48:35 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Wowzers. It was worth the hype
hablomuchoingles ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:28:36 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Tapioca
Thexer0 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 22:45:30 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
TapiooooooooooCAAA!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h2D5-pUs6z0
Svenly1 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 21:32:01 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6t87rJxKaoQ Here you go!
Ceewcee ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 00:50:03 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
It's probably just something behind him that only resembles a face from that angle. Happens all the time. It looks cool, but it's been taken far too seriously.
Choralone ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 02:15:35 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Might just be me. Form the photo someone linked below, it's not a creepy dog head. it's just a dog head.
Noncomment ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:09:21 on December 16, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Except the part where it's floating above his shoulder where no dog could possibly be, and him claiming he is absolutely sure there were no dogs there, and that no one recognizes the dog.
BitchWidget ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:16:42 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
This looks to me like they are standing in front of a stairway? Or upstairs foyer? There are white rails and it looks to me like the dog is looking over the shoulder but from behind Joe, on an upper level.
catch_you ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 22:26:23 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
This one?!
tired_commuter ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 23:43:17 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
My thought process was "He doesn't look like a drug addict, he looks pretty clean cut act.... HOLY FUCK WHAT IS THAT??!!"
rawrasawrus ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:49:25 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Well I guess no sleep for us tonight.
yelkca ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:35:53 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Yes! Thank you!
[deleted] ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 23:22:08 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
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UtterlyDisposable ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:33:32 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
In sorry to say that skeptics like it's aren't likely to be very popular in this thread.
ochosbantos ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:02:31 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Exactly what I was thinking. It's funny that as soon as you mention ghosts the rational explanation is suddenly seen as the least likely.
WhiskeyDingo12 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:32:08 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
This is exactly what I thought of when I saw this thread. That picture's always kind of creeped me out.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:08:19 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Guy looks like Dennis from Always Sunny with a moustache.
Mannytaur ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 10:20:56 on December 16, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
.
koerbchen ยท 2445 points ยท Posted at 15:45:36 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I looked through most pictures in this thread and there's one thing that's up with all these ghosts/creatures in the photos: They are all starring directly in the camera. Seriously, is there even one picture where the ghost is just turned away, looking in another direction, as you would expect in some cases?
It's just something that occurred to me, I don't want to start a proof of falsification debate here. But if you wanted to have a creepy figure in your photo, it's much more uncanny when its eerie white eyes are starring directly into the camera, right?
APretentiousHipster ยท 197 points ยท Posted at 17:02:40 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe it knows it's being photographed.
Babomancer ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 22:38:04 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Ghosts, the original photo bombers
APretentiousHipster ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:43:16 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
This is the answer guys.
TootsieHG ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 19:31:01 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
It would be interesting to learn that most ghosts know and realize a person with a camera is nearby taking pictures. Like it knew full well that if it was photographed people can finally see it. It could then be like a last attempt at being recognized as a 'living' figure, though in an entirely different form. Either their trying to tell people that 'Hey! We still exist!' or they just really like messing with the photographer's heads.
thewilloftheuniverse ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:03:12 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Why would it be so good as that. Why are they ex-humans? Perhaps they are the sort of things which become observable when they find is there to observe them? Is that so ridiculous? If they are real, they could be so other from us that we would be as hard pressed to grasp them as to clearly grasp quantum mechanics. Or more.
TootsieHG ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:18:21 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
If you're suggesting that they may be an alternative life form that is separate from our own, I'll agree it is possible. After all it has been theorized by scientists that life forms could easily exist in ways that we are just not familiar with on other planets. So, who's to say they couldn't of been living here this whole time as well?
They could easily be creatures based on gases, light waves, or even electrical energies that choose to take on near human forms whenever observed. And out of fun, choose to interact with those carrying cameras, or with animals and small children whenever possible.
thewilloftheuniverse ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:25:27 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I'm suggesting a sort of consciousness which we would be hard-pressed to even call life. or which would be hard-pressed to call us life. I'm suggesting a sort of consciousness whose awareness of us is like quantum entanglement or quantum superposition.
What about if it were ONLY POSSIBLE to take a picture of it when it was aware of, or perhaps even by chance "looking" at the camera? it's image appeared not because it was choosing to interact with it for some reason, but because that is the nature of the observable part of their existence?
TootsieHG ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:14:47 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
You mean like how a bacteria or an atom that held a form of consciousness wouldn't be aware of us, despite being completely apart of our lives? I suppose there is a chance... After all they had existed since the beginning, but even we weren't necessarily aware of them until relatively recent. It could be possible that these sort of life forms could exist, always being around, being self conscious although completely unaware about us as we are about them, and only being visible when shot with a camera.
I don't know how probable it would be for them to only make said appearance when they face the camera, but it's truly hard to say what the rules are with those types of creatures. If they are true and real, it would be interesting to study them.
What would make it even more interesting is their appearance on the camera. Suppose they could change whatever possible, be it energies, light/sound waves, or what have you, in order to become more or even less visible to a viewer. (In this case, the camera.) Much like how an octopus changes color, they could perhaps change how far or easily they could be seen. If this is the case, it could be possible that their awareness of a camera or even looking at one could trigger this impulse to 'appear' in an image. Thus meaning it wasn't entirely by choice but by some unknown reflexive impulse.
thewilloftheuniverse ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:03:52 on December 16, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
yes, exactly, that's the sort of thing i was suggesting. mere speculation of course.
sovietsrule ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:45:06 on December 16, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Thetans are real....
TootsieHG ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:51:17 on December 16, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Didn't know what thetans were so I looked it up, and the whole thing sounds convoluted and entirely based on fantasy. Not at all what I would expect from scientology, which I would have assumed their theories would be based more upon research and not in confusing riddles. If you are a scientologist, I'm sorry if this offends you for me to say this, but this is my first time ever hearing of such an idea. Perhaps you can explain what a thetan is that could possibly clear up any false impressions.
sovietsrule ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:16:20 on December 16, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Haha, Naw I was just making fun of it. But yeah scientology is weird...
El3k0n ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:03:55 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe it doesn't exist.
[deleted] ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 19:21:24 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
can a ghost learn what a camera is if it died before photographs existed?
datsic_9 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 21:18:46 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
You should post that in /r/showerthoughts.
APretentiousHipster ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 21:37:34 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Fuckin' clever. I'm offering alternatives. I don't believe it to be the case, but at least I'm willing to entertain the notion, if only for fun.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:32:34 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe the photographer wouldn't notice anomalies that don't have faces.
Drowned_In_Spaghetti ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:34:12 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Then why won't it smile?!?
YUNGLOCC ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:23:36 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
"ghost photobomb, lol"
deytookerjaabs ยท 1252 points ยท Posted at 17:27:37 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I'm no stats expert, but it seems odd that if ghosts exist they only appear in such unoccupied space. Never waltzing through times square or chilling in first class on an airplane. Nope, they're always in some place and time that would be suitable to set up a fake appearance if need be. And, in the rare occasions they appear in photographs surrounded by people, somehow only the magic of photography captured them and the mass of people didn't see a damned thing.
yourfriendlane ยท 832 points ยท Posted at 19:19:36 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)*
I'm not a ghost-believer, but I am a photographer, so I wanted to point out that film strips (or sensors, in digital photography) are much more sensitive than the human eye. They can pick up things that we can't see, then "convert" them (can't really think of a better word without getting technical) into visible wavelengths that we can. This is how stuff like infrared photography or thermal vision goggles work. So, it's entirely possible for something to show up in a photograph that nobody present could see.
e: So looks like I'm wrong-ish on this: while film/sensors can pick up non-visible light, it's unlikely that those frequencies will make it into a photo unless you're specifically trying to cause it to. Sorry guys, I guess ghosts aren't real after all.
Haasts_Eagle ยท 315 points ยท Posted at 19:44:10 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)*
Here's an easy one for people to try: Use your cellphone camera (or webcam perhaps) to look at the end of your T.V remote while you press a button.
Edit: If nothing happens try other cameras or perhaps other remotes. All of the cellphone cameras I have access to can show the infrared light coming from the emitter but I do not have access to apple stuff.
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franchise235 ยท 37 points ยท Posted at 21:28:52 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Can you see a giant ghost finger come out and turn the volume up? Because I'm pretty stupid, and I figure that's how they get remotes to work.
Lurking4Answers ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:46:12 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I wish.
BEN_ANNA_FOSGALE ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:39:34 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Not just a finger! The whole ghost hand!
http://i.imgur.com/H2bIz9G.jpg
CrowbarOfEmbriage ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 00:12:22 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Ghost Finglonger
jetshack ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 21:55:40 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
The camera's in several cell phones don't have infrared filters. Most remote control's use an infrared led. When a button on the remote is pressed the information is transmitted to the receiving unit using infrared waves.
Most Apple products have an IR filter on them. Most Android phones do not.
hett ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 22:26:49 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
you were so close.
Oznog99 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 09:38:07 on December 16, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
No, ALL color cameras do. They have to, outdoors is full of IR which stimulates blue/green pixels and the image is washed with things which make no sense. I've played with a color camera that had the IR filter removed, shit don't look right!
No IR cut filters are perfect, though. They get rid of probably >95% of the IR, but what's left is enough for a TV remove to make a visible blinking on the imager, of course.
Haasts_Eagle ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:07:32 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Okay that clears things up. It works with my iPod nano so that would be one of the exceptions then.
Garek ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:15:27 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
This can work with ultraviolet led's too.
alphazero924 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:34:50 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Note, if you've got a phone with a front-facing camera, that one probably doesn't have an IR filter since they're generally cheaper made than the main camera.
Terrorz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:52:05 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Damn, is this really true?
cavilier210 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 21:36:23 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Nice. I didn't realize the remote I have had a "bulb" in the transmitter. That's pretty neat. It can't be seen, but glows white when I point my camera.
Lumia 710 phone and Polaroid remote.
MyBatmanUnderoos ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 23:04:38 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I work in an arcade, and this is actually how I check the functionality of the sensors ringing the monitors of the gun games.
jorge22s ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:29:11 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
What is supposed to happen?
Haasts_Eagle ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:54:30 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
You can see the infrared light. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JETpLQIyPss
rydan ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:54:04 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
They do. This is how I always tell people to test their batteries. It is just because CCDs see more wavelengths than human eyes do. However they absolutely are in no way more sensitive than the human eye.
GeneralGump ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:28:52 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
V sauce?
MavEtJu ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 11:54:52 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I used this in the past to help aligning laserlinks. It doesn't work with the iPhone 4S back camera, works with the front camera.
Haasts_Eagle ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:58:07 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
That is interesting. I hope a lot of people read your comment because I feel most of the people having problems are the ones with the iPhones. I know I always forget there is a front facing camera!
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:21:33 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Oh hey, it's actually pretty cool.
LiiDo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:53:07 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I did this and nothing happened. What's supposed to happen?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:50:54 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Wow that's awesome, I can't believe I've never seen the light on my remote before. Strange feeling.
Time to show my sister and get her to call me weird again
attemptedactor ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:14:13 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Also works with your Wii sensor bar. Freaked me out when I accidentally took a picture
giottodibondone ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:59:17 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
"Vsauce, Michael here..."
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:54:01 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
If you can't see it, it's because your camera has an infrared filter on it.
Fun fact: you can actually make your camera able to see through some objects, like paper and alotta plastics (and some clothes too), by removing the filter, and either putting it on 'nightvision' setting. I think don't quote me on it.
NorGu5 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:01:53 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Or go one step further (did this with a mate at work a few years back) - step into a completely dark room, one person taking a picture of you with slow shutter settings while you hold a button on the tv-remote a move it around, I can't find the picture but it looks really cool! I think I did a circle that got smaller and smaller and he did a penis.
ThirdFloorGreg ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:10:45 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
You mean a spiral?
NorGu5 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:04:41 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Yup! That's what they are called, I couldn't think of the word.. Funny thing is, it's called and spelled the same in my language! XD
nionvox ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:02:42 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
This works with infrared camera remotes (At least, it does with my Canon one). I use this trick to make sure I have a line of sight with my camera.
emilizabify ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:29:21 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
or even just look at a tv screen with a camera. it'll make it look really weird.
popstar249 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:31:36 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
CCD cameras generally can see the IR. CMOS cameras usually have an IR filter which blocks that.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:44:28 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Commenting so I can come back- this is cool.
propagandhi45 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:42:37 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Ive never taught of doing this. I'll try it for sure.
apis_cerana ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:17:21 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Love your username!
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rydan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:55:48 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
No. It has to do with a filter they have to specifically add to the system. CCDs by their nature are sensitive to infrared light. Every digital camera I've owned up through 2006 could see infrared to a degree and these were not cheap cameras by any means.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:00:24 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Hm not working for me
jessticless ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:52:06 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
It actually works better with lower quality cams. Yours might be too nice
tarrox1992 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 22:13:52 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
So that's why only shitty cameras can pick up the ghosts.
willllllllllllllllll ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:20:51 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Didnt work
TheAlleyTramp ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 21:00:11 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
As a photographer, I can tell you that a properly exposed photo under current technology only contains roughly 5 "stops" of light. That's not a whole lot. Obviously, you can adjust the settings (shutter speed, ISO, aperture) to capture a "different" set of stops but regardless, most cameras can only capture 5 in a single frame. That being said, it's also very easy for artifacts to appear in images, particularly if you are using a higher ISO (the higher your ISO, the more sensitive the film/sensor is, but you also increase grain in the image) which, you most likely would be in a dark or poorly lit setting.
yourfriendlane ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:53:04 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Well, I only meant that it can potentially record non-visible light, but the fact that you're only going to get ~5 stops of light in one image pretty much defeats the idea that you're going to get that frequency in a normally-exposed photo, meaning I'm kinda dumb for suggesting it. Thanks for the correction.
TheAlleyTramp ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:21:28 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Oh no! I was just adding my input as a photographer to the conversation haha. Your points are still very valid. The sensors do pick up on a broader spectrum but can only register so much light before it interprets it as pure white or black. Its super complicated and I have a hard time wrapping my head around it most days haha
TL;DR: Light and cameras are complicated.
yourfriendlane ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:30:30 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Then again, it IS ghosts we're talking about... Maybe camera physics don't apply to them!
scord ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:59:46 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Actually, you're not all that wrong. Use your TV remote control on a phone's camera, and see what you get.
11711510111411009710 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:33:08 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Speaking of cameras seeing what we cannot.
Here's an experiment:
Stare at the front of your remote, the part that sends the signal to your TV and then click a button.
You can't see any of the signals sent from your remote to your TV.
Now access your phone's camera and hold the remote (the part that sends the signal) so that it's visible in your phone's camera.
Now press a button.
See those blue lights on the camera?
The signals that you cannot see otherwise?
Yea, cool shit. I barely understand it but it's fucking awesome.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:39:34 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Welcome to the land of make believe.
RenaKunisaki ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:06:43 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
But watch out for my personal favourite flaw in fake ghost stories:
yourfriendlane ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:24:07 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
You've never seen my mom's pictures. If she managed to accidentally snap a ghost it'd probably be the first in-focus thing she ever photographed.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:36:27 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Did you not see the ghost that was gleefully walking through disnleyland???
yourfriendlane ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:37:59 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Well of course it works there. Why do you think they call it the Magic Kingdom?
Me_for_President ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 20:36:44 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
No offense, but you're pretty far off here. Our eye is significantly more sensitive to light than all film and digital cameras commercially available today. The human eye can see something like 20 stops of light in total, and has a dynamic range of about 10 stops at any single time.
The best sensors today have an active range of about 3-4 stops, with the best black and white film having 6ish maybe.
What's more, digital cameras have filters that prevent them from capturing anything beyond the visible light spectrum. If you want to shoot IR you have to get your IR filter removed.
The only thing they're better at is generating noise, which is heat interference from the sensor capture process and reduces the quality of the image.
HabseligkeitDerLiebe ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 21:00:53 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Your argumentation is right but misses what /u/yourfriendlane was trying to point out.
The human eye is better in the range of visible wavelengths. But cameras (especially cheap ones) show more than the visible spectrum. So if there were spirits and if they were visible in near-infrared a camera would be superior to the human eye in seeing spirits.
yourfriendlane ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:42:35 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
You're right. While film can capture non-visible light (my only point of consideration when I wrote the post) the dynamic range of a single well-exposed photograph won't be large enough to capture it. My mistake.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:12:04 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Have any sources that can show the converting process or whatever it's called? It sounds very interesting.
Me_for_President ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 20:40:01 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
His/her information is incorrect. See my comment above. Cameras do everything worse than the human eye except focus, which doesn't matter here. Even if the ghost was out of focus, our eyes would be better at detecting its luminosity than any commercial camera.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:45:54 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Are there certain cameras that are better than the human eye? Other than with focusing?
Ramv36 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:51:14 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
How good is the human eye at observing electrical phenomenon? That would be the stat to consider. Having myself inadvertently captured audio EVPs that neither I nor whom I was conversing with can explain, some things we cannot perceive because they are electrical fields are more easily perceived by devices whose operation is influenced by such fields.
A good example would be trying to outperform a magnetometer with your own eyes to find magnetic fields, good luck.
Me_for_President ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:03:55 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I guess it depends on what you mean by electrical phenomenon.
Almost all digital sensors in use today have photosites that only detect a single primary color, and have filters to block the two other primary colors. They don't record anything other than the color for which they were designed. Put another way, digital cameras only detect specific photons in very specific places.
Digital sensors are sensitive to heat, which is not electrical, but which is part of what causes noise in photos.
In order for a ghost to be recorded, it would need to exist in the spectrum visible to the camera, which is limited to visible light and occasionally infrared. Alternatively, if they gave off enough heat to also heat up the sensor, they would be recorded, so to speak, as noise in the photo. However, this recording would be shapeless and unidentifiable as anything other than noise. That said, if they were hot enough to add their own noise the camera likely wouldn't function correctly.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:29:12 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
"translate" ?
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:36:58 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
he did fine
YodaYogurt ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:40:14 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Thanks Lane. You're a good friend
ElGoddamnDorado ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 22:19:05 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
You don't say.
[deleted] ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 17:39:36 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Do you know how quickly that would be dismissed?
deytookerjaabs ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 18:29:19 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Oh, OK, Now...that makes more sense. They just fit right in when in public, unlike them there photographs.
42JumpStreet ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 17:33:51 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
The excuse is that they are less noticeable in those places.
downtothegwound ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 19:41:33 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)*
my argument would be that in those kind of situations our brain is distracted on other priorities so even if we saw something "supernatural" it would be shortly forgotten if it did not directly effect our life. Think of how many times you've driven to work, now think of how many of those drives you actually remember.
42JumpStreet ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:34:39 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Like that gorilla costumed guy walking through the people tossing the ball around? Personally, I don't fall for those things, because my awareness is heightened way more than other people's. I will say that I worked in an old building, where I had a couple paranormal experiences that happened after closing. It was a bustling place when open, so there's no way that anything would have been noticed during the day there.
DrCashew ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:21:17 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Ok, I thought of it, now I'm reminded of about 50% of my class that laughed as the gorilla walked through for the first time. This was years ago when the tape was first made; there was no way they had all already seen it. It stands to measure that at LEAST 30% of people in a crowded area would notice it. Not too mention the reason it's so autopilot/erased form memory is because you didn't notice something that stood out. That's not to say that your mind wasn't aware.
GreatestOfAllTime96 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 18:53:21 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Or people did see and they just thought it was another person. When you're alone and you see something in your house you thought was empty, one would guess ghost.
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[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:49:12 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
But if you take a picture in Times Square of a bunch of people, you don't notice as easily who was there when you took the pic, and who appeared in the pic afterwards. If you take one in your front yard of four people, and five people show up in the pic, you're much more likely to notice.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 19:50:07 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
One theory, if I recall correctly, is that ghosts arenot just echo's of past lives. So the lives of so many people walking through times square would overpower any echo's that might be there.
It's like sound... if you go to an empty warehouse and yell, there will be a distinct echo. If you go to a busy warehouse with lots of machines running, the other nose will drown out an echo.
Not that I believe in ghosts, per say, but it is a theory.
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 19:51:22 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Wouldn't a ghost blend in with everybody else in times square? I feel like if they do exist, they're probably in a lot more pictures than we suspect. The ones that stick out though, are the ones where they're by themselves, since there is nothing to disguise them.
snuib ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:19:24 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Now I'm no believer in the supernatural but I certainly think that there is stuff we can't explain whether we don't have the technology or what not, it's something new we haven't figured out, but I know during reiki sessions, my teacher who just got a doctorate in microbiology takes pictures and videos and there are auras or "orbs" as they call them all over the place and there is no other explanation for them. I'm just saying we have to open up to the possibility that we don't know everything about our world and how it works, not even close
MPR_Dan ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:05:02 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Most are dust particles.
snuib ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:10:46 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I want to agree with you, but in the videos they fly around in ways that air would push it, as if alive, and larger than dust particles, also in the photos it looks like lens flare but massive and multiplied by 100, and he takes photos all the time and it never happens any other time, I'm not saying it's any greater cosmic power or anything, just something weird that we only capture during these events
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:18:13 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I hate to burst your bubble, but reiki,auras, and all that new age stuff is BS. At the very least, I would urge you to go read up on it on the skeptic's dictionary or search on youtube James Randi debunking aura readers and reiki masters.
snuib ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:56:06 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
No bubble burst, I practice and have been taught reiki, it's no magic cure and a lot of it is quite out there, but it runs on some stuff that is very relaxing and calming (meditation which has extensive medical benefits), I don't claim it's the be all end all but as someone who isn't religious I think it's important to have faith in something bigger than yourself, and reiki only promotes love and helping people, so it's fine to not believe it, but as with all religions or faiths don't try and put people down on it, so long as they don't shove it down your throat or it doesn't hurt anyone else or themselves, leave it be
MaxMouseOCX ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:51:13 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Yup... That's what gets me about the whole ghost thing, if I were a ghost I'd want to be giving the president of the US a wedgie while he's live on air to millions.
GetOutOfTheHouseNOW ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:41:16 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
And why are they wearing clothes? How come the stuff ghosts wear gets a spiritual presence? It's almost as if people are making shit up.
GammaGames ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:20:59 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Its been accepted for a while that if ghosts exist, they human eye probably cant see them. Photography can for some reason, i forget why though. Also what if they are everyehere, just they blend in with regular people during a photo? Or they're always secluded because thats what ghost stories have said since they were existed?
Haasts_Eagle ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:46:42 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
The theory is probably because photography picks up more wavelengths than we can see on our own. Test this by looking at the end of your T.V remote through your phone camera while you press some of the buttons.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:07:43 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Could be that they do, but there's so much going on and so much else to pay attention to that we just don't notice.
Sploitspiller ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:28:59 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Ghosts love cameras.
alextk ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:57:03 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
How dare you exercise reasonable skepticism?
DerpMcGerkin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:05:22 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)*
Buzz Killington to the scene to squash any notion of mystery..(sorry I'm a dick sometimes without coffee)
All the things you mention have equal retorts if coming from a believer. If this stuff is by chance real, we know virtually nothing about it and assigning rules from our experience seems as appropriate as talking about Mars as if it were Earth.
For instance, what if the reason the ghosts are looking directly at the camera ends up being that they are aware they are being observed and are simply looking at who, or what(camera), is looking at them.
If subatomic particles can tell that they are being observed, even if it's just by a camera, why couldn't ghosts? Heck, even some of us meat bags can tell intuitively when we are being watched.
tl;dr: I want to believe
edit: mah bad
wickedcold ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 01:03:11 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
BS. If anyone could, it would be simple to prove in a controlled testing environment.
DerpMcGerkin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:25:07 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)*
Because humans never adapt and hone new traits or discover new things about our physiology...and science has never been amended to say that today it's possible what we claimed yesterday wasn't.
Nothing new has ever been discovered from within the existing dogma. Albert Einstein said- โProblems cannot be solved with the same mind set that created them.โ Where does that leave your shallowly thought out one sentence reply?
Our reach must exceed our grasp to ever accomplish anything...in any field, ever. Simply saying 'Nope, if it was real we'd be able to do it over and over and record it' is an almost always temporary truth in science. History teaches us that more often than not this is an issue of inadequate measuring systems not theories that are false or baseless. As tech progresses our measurements get better and we discover all the time that things we doubted existed or had no way to do more than speculate about are right there in front of our eyes, real.
The latest awesome example of this thought-process is the capturing of neutrinos. It's taken 40 years to do what some thought could never be done do to the nature of the neutrino. Not to mention the refusal of belief that they even existed 50 years ago, because people said 'Hey if it was real we could prove in a controlled testing environment'. Sound familiar.
I'm old and hope for everyone's sake that the younger generation isn't full of such closed-mindedness and lack of outward curiosity towards something that really isn't that far fetched to anyone paying attention.
edit:spelling
wickedcold ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:41:57 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Scientific knowledge is constantly updated to reflect new findings. It's not a religion or a dogma. There's no big book of science out there that we are supposed to limit ourselves to believing. Science is a set of methods and principles for incorporating information and knowledge, for testing hypotheses, etc.
If someone can feel people looking at them, and can demonstrate this feat under controlled conditions, then clearly it warrants discussion. But to my knowledge, this has never occurred. If you know of such an instance, please enlighten me. Is there some barricade in today's research methods that restrict your ability to say "ok, now. I sense you looking at me"?
Someone simply saying they can is not going to convince me, as it shouldn't. Would you believe if I told you I could fly? I have no more reason to believe your claim than you mine.
DerpMcGerkin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:13:13 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)*
While in a dictionary you are right and science is of course ever-ammeded to reflect new discoveries(my whole point), the rest of your reply is a wonderful example of how that dogma is very real and persistent throught the scientific community. To assert that it is not real that many scientists resist change every day due to dogmatic belief proves at least to me your lack of interaction with actual scientists on a large scale. In some disciplines it's almost as pervasive as the religious dogma that prevents progressive change.
No barriers of the kind you describe exist that I can articulate. And no lucid examples either. Just a romantic notion that is backed by I suspect many millions of peoples every day feelings that someone is watching them and they then see that in fact they were right. It's happen to me before. It's happen to damn near everyone on this spinning rock. It's not a miracle, likely just a sense and certainly not so easily dismissed as completely nonexistent. The notion to me that these feelings people have are ALL complete baseless and false yet still occur is a bit of a stretch to practical experience. Not saying it's other-worldy or paranormal, but it's there.
So respectfully, I'll choose to allow speculative faith in the possibilities of these things being one day verifiable while you'll wait for others like me to validate them through empirical processes that don't yet exist before you jump on board. It's ok to disagree. Good evening to you..
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wickedcold ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:44:03 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
And what of the times they were wrong? Those examples are forgotten about and confirmation bias sets in. This is why anecdotal evidence is not considered a reliable source of data to support a hypothesis.
If it truly does exist, then surely people could demonstrate it?
Such as, having you face the other way while I either look at you, or don't look at you, and you tell me which it is? Is there some reason you don't consider this to be a suitable demonstration? Does it only work sometimes? Because if that's the case, I assume you know what the next thing I'll say will be.
It seems to me that you have a strong bias to believe that this power exists.
Tandran ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:36:03 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Ghost: What the hell is that person holding over there? stares
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:36:51 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Kind of like infrared right?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:57:06 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Kind of like God. Convenient for whatever situation is needed.
BlueDemonite ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:13:27 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
That's because ghosts don't exist. they're only demons who take the forms of humans to scare away any unwanted guests from their places of occupance. Just like humans, they live alongside us in a world parralel to ours but due to our lack of a wide light spectrum on our eyes, we're unable to see them unless they manipulate their wavelengths to match the spectrum of our eyes. So they're not really all that bad
portablebiscuit ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:17:08 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
You know all of those hundreds of people you see every day but never have contact with?
What if 5% of them are ghosts, aliens, or time tourists?
AuthorSAHunt ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:28:36 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
How do you know that there aren't ghosts in pictures of Times Square or first class? Do you know 100% that all of the people in the photograph are still alive?
blumelon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:33:07 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I always found it funny that ghosts only appear in wealthy estates where the rich and famous once lived. Considering for every 1 rich person that died in a mansion there are 1000 people that died in the slums - why are there not hundreds of ghosts jaywalking the streets of the Bronx?
wayndom ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:28:42 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
How about the huge number of human beings who've existed, versus the handful of "hauntings"?
Believers usually say ghosts are the spirits of people who were wronged - so why aren't the grounds of Auschwitz and Dachau overrun with ghosts?
If ghosts actually existed, there'd be loads of them, and we'd all know about it.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:26:05 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
In Islamic theology, ghosts aren't actually spirits of the dead but a separate species of creature called Jinn that occupy a different light spectrum than what people can see under normal circumstances. These jinn actually hate the smell of humans but love living in human dwellings, thus the reason why they are found in abandoned places and try to scare people out of their "homes".
Interesting food for thought, especially with all the quantum string theories running around right now.
LogicDog ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:50:05 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
What if Ghost are just time travelers, and you cannot actually physically travel in time but you can "project" yourself back?
vousetesbelles ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:53:56 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I don't believe in ghosts, but I once had a friend who claimed to see spirits and communicate with them and whatnot. She insisted that there were ghosts everywhere, but since people don't look for them in public, they don't see them there.
She was a bit weird though.
illy-chan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:18:59 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I don't especially believe in ghosts nor do I have a photo to share with reddit but my mom and some of her closest friends swear that a ghost of an old man used to sit in this chair at a place they'd party at (didn't do much, just sat there). Now, they're generally pretty reliable and grounded folks but I understand that they used to party pretty hard so I'm not totally sold. Having said that, if true, it's a ghost that a whole room of people witnessed.
Random-Miser ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:32:44 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
There is a theory that some ghost enthusiasts have concerning exactly this. Basically they view ghosts as psionic imprints on the surrounding environment, which only leaves them preserved in places without a lot of disturbances. So places with high traffic and a lot of people running through will have far lower chances of ghosts due to disturbances degrading the imprint. This of course is viewing ghosts as more of a recording than actual entities.
erra539 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:28:36 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I heard some wackjob preacher once talk about angels saying that because they move faster than the speed of light itself, we can't see them. This would support the theory of why they are only captured in pictures...? I dunno, I'm more prone to believe in scientific proof.
thomasluce ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:28:49 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Not only that, but for some reason all ghosts are old. Nobody that died after about 1950 is a ghost. How come we never see the ghost of Jimmy the mostly-acceptable car mechanic, or Jane the friendly receptionist from that nice optometry clinic down the street? It's always the ghost of Sir Jamesworth Von Neumanhouser who died in 1876 in some far-away castle you've never heard of.
BingoRage ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:37:49 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
If you took a picture of a ghost walking through a crowd in Times Square, not staring at the camera, then it wouldn't stand out as a ghost, even if all the people around it "saw nothing".
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:18:06 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe you don't notice them in places like that because you are being stimulated more. I have never seen a ghost afaik but I do believe that you tune in and out to certain things depending on the input given.
Selective perception is a proven thing and sometimes you cancel things out or add things to what your senses experience.
GoodAndBluts ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:18:38 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I like your reasoning, but a couple of things occur to me
1 ) Perhaps there are other ghost pictures, but because we dont have simple visual cues (such as a face looking at us) we dont notice. You would actually expect more sideways shots in movie footage in this case, because something could be noticable (because of movement) rather than noticable because of the clear eyes and mouth
2 ) If a ghost was in a crowd, would anyone even notice it? Perhaps there are a lot of "crowds with ghosts in them" but our eyes dont pick them out because a person in a busy place is something our eyes skim over. I guess you would expect more ghosts in crowded places because something like a town square has been used by people for a long time
Mommabear7 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:47:05 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
As a psychology and paranormal/spiritual therapist, we as humans generally see things that 'make sense'. It's not that we don't actually see things that don't make sense, it's that if something our brains don't instantly comprehend then our brains sort of 'protect' us to keep our environment comfortable. Until something becomes normal in our world, as for me as a Native American, spiritual things are a part of my everyday world and so when something I can't 'debunk' with a physics explanation or other potential causes, it doesn't scare me I just acknowledge. A light switching on, or a fan that hasn't been touched in months, things moving that obviously no one is near, lights, shadows and sounds that can't be anything else. But if it's not in your normal purview, then your brain fits it into something else.
Oznog99 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:50:32 on December 16, 2013 ยท (Permalink)*
Here's my quack theory- the camera flash shocks them into visibility for only a few milliseconds. No one notices because of the flash.
In fact, curiously it seems people don't actually notice a lot of things that don't make sense. Well, they may notice them briefly but if it impossibly disappears, the brain writes it off as an error of perception and forgets it ever noticed it.
Probably the brain misinterprets things you see many times every day and is quite used to discarding perceptions that don't make sense without any trace in memory. As a matter of course. In fact this has been readily demonstrated where some filmakers (and the guy in Fight Club) slice in single frames of something else inconsistent with the scene and no one in the audience sees it.
So very brief appearances of impossible, anomalous, confusing things might simply get edited out by the brain. But not a camera.
Another thing clearly demonstrated is a flash does make things appear that aren't seen in person, like "orbs":
http://www.paranormalghost.com/images/False%20Orb.jpg
Well that's just dust or a bug getting hit by the flash, and too near to be in-focus. Also street signs, many mammal/insect eyes are retroreflective, reflecting light ONLY back to the source. A flash makes these objects glow very brightly, you would not see them under normal lighting.
So, a faint spirit mist made of retroreflective mist droplets that will only show up under a camera flash? Well, it would explain why no one on the scene sees it and it didn't show up in the viewfinder when framing the scene.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:37:21 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
This is similar to my skepticism. If ghosts were at all possible, they would be everywhere. And, they'd be more prevalent in urban areas with long histories of human habitation. There would more ghosts in Manhattan than some rural farm area, and capitals like Paris, London, Baghdad, etc would be wall to wall ghosts. Think of middle eastern capitals like Cairo or Jerusalem. 5000 years of high-density human occupation would yield a lot of lost souls.
tsaf325 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:17:49 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I would think not everyone turns into ghosts if they die. Maybe some do, maybe some don't.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:35:58 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
This is what's so silly about ghost-hunting. "HEY, let's trek through this purportedly-haunted house in complete darkness in the middle of the night!"
There's a reason people see the best results from ghost hunting in the middle of the night, and it's not because that's when spiritual activity is at its highest. It's because you're running around in the dark and your mind is playing tricks on you. The power of suggestion/the unknown can have a huge effect.
And for the record, I am open-minded on most paranormal subjects (including ghosts). I'm not trying to patronize people who take ghost-hunting seriously, either. I just think most investigations are susceptible to a host of false-positives because of the time of day they are performed, and that the notion of the nightime lending itself to better results is completely baseless
RedditWIN ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 22:06:16 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)*
I'm no expert but I've been told that ghosts don't like heavily populated areas, they tend to stay away from civilization as much as they can.
Source: My families dealt with quite a few supernatural occurrences
EDIT: I have a set of 5 pictures where my aunt was taking pictures whilst my uncle drove down the mountain, and it goes scenery -> scenery -> old white man standing in mid air wearing all white clothing waving and smiling at you -> scenery -> scenery, when I get home from work and if I can locate the pics i'll upload them, but i'm currently at work and don't get off for another 7 hours, so we'll see.
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[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 18:28:40 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
That's probably how I'll go out. That or in the middle of fapping with some odd porn on with no chance to clean up my own uh, residuals.
JamesTheJerk ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 18:54:20 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Ectoplasm?
IpoopPokemon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:25:10 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
We need samples!
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:32:54 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Elvis died on the can. I bet a lot of people have.
estafan7 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:13:23 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
So an eternal shit?
MaxMouseOCX ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:49:21 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
People that speculate that really need to come up with an explanation as to what medium these events are recorded on, without using the words "energy" or "vibrations".
The universe doesn't give the slightest fuck about your emotions or what circumstances you died in.
vbcnxm_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:19:47 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I don't know their reasons, I've not looked into it and probably won't. But you are right, the supernatural fields need a shit-ton of evidence, proof, and explanation.
MaxMouseOCX ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:32:12 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
That's the problem, these people come up with theories that don't play well with well established laws of physics, generally if something violates a single law of physics then it's impossible (occasionally a violation happens then the laws of physics have to explain it, when this happens it's a big fucking deal).
All that needs to be said is "prove it" which usually comes with accusations from the claimant of having a closed mind... The thing with that is, if your mind is too open, your brain will fall out, Bullshit is Bullshit :)
__1984__ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:44:39 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
There is phenomenon on earth that humans have trouble perceiving. Sense impressions from infrared or ultraviolet light, cosmic rays, air pressure, or magnetic fields are as real for animals as traffic signals, printed words, and verbal expression are for humans. I personally believe that all things are varying manifestations of the same universal source (everything fits in somewhere on the vibratory scale). There are no totally independent actions or objects in this realm of existence.
MaxMouseOCX ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:53:52 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I lol'd 10/10 - would read again.
__1984__ ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 05:08:32 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)*
Everything is based in vibrations, a chair, a rock, even your thoughts.
Everything in the universe is made up of, and manifested as, varying rates of vibrations or wavelengths. At the bottom of the spectrum, with the slowest vibratory rate is solid matter. The vibrations in the atoms that make up the molecules are not readily perceivable to us. Above physical matter at a faster vibration is sound. Faster wavelengths than sound become the sensation of heat. Beyond heat is the impression of light. The observation could be extended to include thoughts, at a wavelength or vibratory rate faster than electricity or light.
Within each relative classification of sensations in the broad scale of vibratory rates, are manifestations varying with the speed of the waves. Within light are slower waves which appear red, and faster waves that appear blue. Within sound the slower waves are heard as low rumbling tones and faster waves we hear as high shrill pitches.
MaxMouseOCX ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:17:49 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Also chemtrails are totally a thing right? Any tips on where to buy good crystals or homeopathic remedies, divining rods or how to construct a tinfoil hat when I don't have any tinfoil?
captinhowdy0510 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:27:10 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
elvis
BoulevardTrash ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:49:02 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Death echoes
Z3ppelinDude93 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:58:34 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I'd be pretty happy as a shitting ghost I think
Majordiarrhea ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:22:16 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
If that is real it would be a fitting end to my life
Majordiarrhea ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:26:28 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
"I pooped therefore I was" is what my ghost would say and then fart loudly before disappearing
Brobi_WanKenobi ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:51:12 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
/r/nocontext
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:56:05 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
/r/nocontext
RedManStrat89 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 17:28:55 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Ghosts don't know they're dead.
enragedStapler ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 17:38:03 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I suspect it wouldn't take more than 5 minutes to catch on.
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utopianfiat ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:07:20 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
It took Bruce Willis about 2.5 hours to catch on.
RedManStrat89 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:45:56 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Some people are really stupid, though.
drparker ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:53:21 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
so they just randomly try to poop at times or do they actually leave spiritual shits
RedManStrat89 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:45:33 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I believe the "spiritual shits" in question are the most plausible explanation for ghost orbs.
ReturnToTheSea ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:13:04 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I'm glad the comment you're responding to here is deleted, because the lack of context makes it that much funnier.
Michaelis_Menten ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:09:04 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
died doing what he loved
fleetber ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:10:58 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Just like Elvis?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:11:22 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Why would a ghost have a spacial orientation?
ispydrogas ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:22:42 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Here is one of my sister and I, plus 1. I have tried to get people to comment on it, but it always gets buried. Strange house we lived in. Lots of stories.
http://imgur.com/rwQMa
soooWhat ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:51:30 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
where the hell all those hands come from?
ispydrogas ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:13:11 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Haha there is an extra! Per usual, we didn't find this until years later. As I said, the house was very strange. This is just evidence to the events that transpired in that house. "Ghosts," as we call them, are very real my friend. Nothing to be afraid of though...
soooWhat ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:43:10 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
To be honest, it gave me chills..
Afterb4ng ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:23:35 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Now if anyone ever finds out your reddit username they can see your most upvoted comment is "why would a ghost take a dump" Bravo.
MTTER ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:35:21 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
To evacuate ghost food, duh
Eh_for_Effort ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:42:17 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Oh this is just great when the parent comment has been deleted
HuggableBuddy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:43:18 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Because his penis was already left in someone's eye socket and his testicles were wiped out by the blaze.
lyinsteve ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:45:40 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I feel like this comment is so much better with the previous comment deleted.
gzinthehood ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:49:06 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
To become more transparent.
bobbymack44212 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:55:11 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe he died in the shower under horrible circumstances.
bpi89 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:57:29 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
The fact that they deleted their comment makes yours fucking hilarious without context.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:13:59 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Haven't you ever drank 8 Ecto-coolers in one sitting? RIP Slimer.
FloobLord ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:39:46 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Funny you mention it- my mom walked in on her father taking a shit in our bathroom, two years after he died.
truleerotten ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:08:09 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
You're my hero.
The_Sarcasm_Police ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:10:15 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
uh, why wouldn't a ghost take a dump? (tststs, this guy)
[deleted] ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 17:52:40 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
There are a few here in which the apparition is not staring directly at the camera, but you have a point.
koerbchen ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:02:16 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Oh yes, "The Lady of Bachelorโs Grove" and the "Spirit in the Woods" are definitely not looking towards the camera. Arguably the ghost in "Stairway to the Afterlife" too, but that's okay as he's busy riding down the railing.
ScottyEsq ยท 38 points ยท Posted at 17:32:24 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
A number of ghost photos are either double exposures (often accidental) or just pareidolia. Both of those would tend to create images looking at the camera.
castleyankee ยท 27 points ยท Posted at 17:31:09 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Idk I think it'd be fucking terrifying if it was staring at the people instead of the camera. Fuck. That.
[deleted] ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 17:46:43 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
But it would have been starting at the person taking the picture. Isn't that the same?
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 17:54:43 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)*
I don't think so, actually. In that case at least the person being stared at can "see" the staring person, in as much as they show up in their photo.
There's something about watching a figure staring at someone's unknowing back that's just awful.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:05:02 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
OK, but what if it's one of those scenarios where the ghost only appeared in the developing of the photo?
desmondao ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:47:53 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
You'll like this.
MrPendent ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 19:22:20 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I agree with you. It is often claimed that a ghost haunts some place because the person died unexpectedly and so are continually roaming around the place. If this is the case, why is there not a steady stream of haunted hospitals and prisons? Surely tons of people die in both of those places unexpectedly. Shouldn't the cameras in either location be completely useless by now, unable to peer through the fog of 10,000 ghosts? Or do they have to take turns?
[deleted] ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 17:12:01 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Tut-tut, let's not be reasonable here.
Sunsh1neMelting ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 17:43:55 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
What exactly is the gravity situation like for ghosts? Clearly they can walk through walls and when you try to touch one your hand whiffs through because they're ethereal or whatever, but why don't they just fall straight through the ground? I see them standing in these photos. Clearly gravity works enough to pull them to the ground. What stops them there?
koerbchen ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 18:04:58 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Well I think the common agreement on ghosts is that they can fly and thus they aren't affected by gravity.
B1g_Papa_E ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:58:49 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Can confirm.
Source: Ghost Scientist
Sunsh1neMelting ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:50:55 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Sweet, that sounds way better than being alive. Being a ghost would be awesome.
elpasowestside ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 17:45:54 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe he's a photogenic ghost...
koerbchen ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:03:03 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Oh, from what I've seen in this pictures, some ghosts would be better off not looking in the camera.
kati_theman_murph ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:23:12 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
http://www.scaryforkids.com/pics/bachelors-grove.jpg
"The Madonna of Bachelor's Grove"
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:37:28 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Yes but by the same logic, if you take multiple photos of a ghost you will probably submit the one where it is staring directly at the camera.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:50:51 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
The pics could be edited... Or photo bombed by ghosts...
KicksButtson ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:57:04 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
This is key. It's like how people who claim to be reincarnated never claim to have lived a past life where they were a nobody. They're always famous. The fact that all ghosts face the camera is a bit on the nose, if you ask me.
sudonimus ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:53:27 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
In the most well-known picture of Chloe, the ghost from the Myrtles Plantation, she's looking down.
koerbchen ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:58:10 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Could you please give me a hint on where to look for Chloe?
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 18:03:54 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
At first I thought it was one of those gifs that scare the shit out of you. I think she's supposed to be between the two buildings?
AnneAnubi ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:20:09 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Also most are from the US (all but one of the comments above this one).
desmondao ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:48:16 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
This one is staring at people.
fenstra ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:52:53 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Ghosts are clear, so even if they are facing the opposite direction they appear to be looking directly at you. I'm a sceptic, but I imagine this is the explanation believers would give.
Emphursis ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:09:18 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe they only appear when you are looking straight at them?
Poo_Hole ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:15:07 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Where are the baby ghost, mentally changed etc...
mosaik ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:03:15 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe its because our brains are supposed to be very good at identifying faces?
MeaninglessGuy ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:07:47 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I think a big part of that is due to two reasons (non-ghost believing reasons):
1) Pure pareidolia. We're trained to see faces- we see them everywhere: trees, clouds, carpet, wood- I see all kinds of crap in the granite tiles in my bathroom. Sometimes we just see faces when there is nothing else there. There's an interesting theory that the classic "grey aliens" that people see is the default image of a face in our brains, and when we see a basic shape (either because we're drunk or lapsing in and out of consciousness) our brain construes that shape as a goddamn alien.
2) Double exposures. There's a reason so many of these pictures have the story "We got this back from the photo lab and there's a weird dude in the picture!" Double exposures happen, especially in crappy 1-hour photo development places. This stuff doesn't happen much any more with purely digital photography. Even the Disneyland park ghost surveillance footage (linked above) is easily explained with double exposure explanations. And what are MOST pictures that people take? Photos of their friends, looking into the camera. You're less likely to notice other double exposures that are more subtle, or if it's more pronounced (like a giant house double-exposed on your picture of a cake) you will get pissed and KNOW it's a double exposure, and off you go to complain to the photo lab. But spooky faces? MUST BE GHOSTS!
But we want ghosts, damnit! So we manufacture them.
*Edit: Spell dumb, me do.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:11:55 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
As someone posted as a reply to the top post: pareidolia. Our brains are really good at recognizing faces, and will often see a face even if it's just a completely random pattern. A "ghost" looking the other way would never get noticed/would just be attributed to a malfunctioning camera or something.
david_loqheart ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:13:19 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
The reason is that our brains are the "faulty sensor" in this case, and have a very high sensitivity to picking out the patterns of faces and bodies from visual information. This is obviously an evolutionary trait that has helped our survival. But in the modern age, it unfortunately produces a lot of false-positives, and we see faces in everything. Even inanimate objects. So it's not that the ghosts/creatures just happen to always be facing us. It's that we only see ghosts/creatures because we are always instinctively looking for faces looking at us.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:21:02 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
It's also curious to me how ghosts are always dressed and never naked. I'm sure clothing yourself must be such a necessity in the afterlife. Is not like God created Adam and Eve naked or anything.
Tijuana_Pikachu ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:36:47 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
If I was haunting something, you'd see my butt for sure.
Waffletron333 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:17:11 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Place yourself in the perspective of a potential ghost (whether you believe in ghosts or not) You've been dead for 20 years, everyone that grieved over your death has moved on. Now your walking through your house, everyday your faced with doors you can't push, items you can't play with, and people you can't interact with. For 20 years this has been your life. Now a group of paranormal investigators come to your house having heard claims of a haunting. You get excited where the blood would be rushing is a memory of the feeling of opportunity to show that you are in fact still there. Seeing the lead investigator calling your name, and recording every square inch of the house. Now is your chance. You muster everything you have for your 15 minutes. Quite possibly your only 15. If i was a ghost and someone had a camera i would try to photobomb it, knowing that im unseen. Just to send each boring day to the grave. Ghosts may or may not be real but the consistency your pointing out in all these pictures when put into context makes me believe just a tiny bit more.
foobixdesi ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:21:08 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Ghosts are the best at photobombing.
mydadfukdurdad ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:27:40 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Man you just killed this thread for me, the next post after your comment was a ghost in someones attic staring into the camera.
fakeyero ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:29:08 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Simple solution. Ghosts like to photobomb. Duh.
suddenly_ponies ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:22:26 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
That's because animals are programmed to see faces as a threat defense mechanism. That's why we so easily see ones where there AREN'T ANY.
LegitAnswers ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:32:00 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
It's a historical fact that ghost started the term "photobomb", in which they would plant themselves in a picture, staring at the camera man/woman.
thatsexaccount ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:32:10 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
The reason most photos of "ghosts" are looking at the camera is that the human brain is wired to detect facial patterns with far more detail and accuracy than any other part of the body. Most people wouldn't notice a photograph with a colorless head in the trees if all that you could see was the back of the head. As a photographer and scientist who spends a lot of time taking pictures, I find that electromagnetic projections/refractions are difficult enough to recognize and bring into focus when you know what you are trying to see. I can't imagine that anyone would recognize a photo of anything taken accidentally if it were not a face or they did not already know it was there. If you want to see something looking away from the camera you will need to find something taken as a video in very high quality and look over each exposure or frame to observe it moving.
Taniwha_NZ ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:15:19 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Here's an explanation I just pulled out of my ass, but from what I've read of the human visual system it seems plausible.
How many times have we seen photos on Reddit & elsewhere that show a random combination of foliage or rocks that looks remarkably like a face? Half of the 'You'll shit bricks...' pictures are of things like that.
Our visual system is set up to recognise faces far more quickly than any other shape. Face recognition has it's own brain region that does nothing but check for faces.
So it's very common for us to see faces where there aren't any. This isn't very often a problem in normal daily activity, because the scene is moving and our brains very quickly realise that potential face pattern is actually just random stuff.
But photographs don't move, so anything that looks like a face, even slightly, gets flagged to the brain as a person.
This implies that such 'ghosts' will always be facing the camera - if they weren't, we wouldn't notice them in the first place.
Cdubbie721 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:53:06 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Not saying I believe in ghost 100% but maybe the reason all these photos have the ghost facing the camera is because the ghost is only visible from certain angles Like the ghost is only apart of certain Dimension or something like that and the most visible one is where it is facing you Or they are just random occurrences when the photo was taken that makes a human figure appear
BBC5E07752 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:54:29 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
staring*
koerbchen ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:09:59 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Wow, a thousand comments on this post and you were the first one to correct me :D
jihiggs ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:07:42 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
ghosts are people watchers. what else would they do with their time?
koerbchen ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:08:34 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Sight seeing. I mean, they can fly and have endless time, right? I would go see the pyramids, and the Great Wall of China and all the fucking cool things in the world. Not boring people.
vacax ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:16:20 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Humans are adept at recognizing faces by our very biological nature. Similar blotches of light without the face would simply not be "recognized" as being a ghost. They would be rather benign light rays, shadows, or some poorly lit random object. Without the face nobody would even think of their picture being of a ghost.
Daiwon ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:16:39 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
And often in black and white.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:30:22 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Again, not to debate falsification or the existence of ghosts, but I've heard the theory that ghosts always appear to be facing the viewer because that's its "identity."
If you subscribe to the idea that a ghost is a leftover, self-sustaining consciousness, it's appearance would probably be based on what it knows about itself, right? Now think: how many people know what they look like from behind? In other words, it's possible that the "front" is the only way a person/camera could see it.
saladninja ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:57:51 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Well, of course. Weren't you aware that ghosts know how to photobomb at a semi professional level?
It must suck for all those dead black guys aiming for the "When you see it" shots; most "ghosts" look Caucasian.
ssick92 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:11:58 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I'm probably way too late on this but wouldn't it make sense that ghosts would be looking into the camera because, at least in most cases, there is a person taking the photo and this woukd attract the ghosts attention?
I find it hard to believe that ghosts would just float through a room without giving attention to the human/camera.
For the record, I don't believe in ghosts, I'm just kind of playing devil's advocate and thinking about it a little bit.
etothepowerof3 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:13:12 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)*
Because 3 blobs that kind of resemble 2 eyes and a mouth + pareidolia = supernatural being.
The back of the head just doesn't have the same effect.
Edit: Plus, I think the "you didn't see it but it saw you" idea really ups the creep factor.
Choralone ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:33:09 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:55:00 on December 16, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Mostly because our brains are trained to look for faces, and more importantly faces that are looking at us (evolutionarily, faces that are looking at us are important because it could be something trying to eat us).
Thus, any odd, blurred or any other imaging/photography artifact that looks like a face is more likely to be noticed by us as a "face". Thus most ghost pictures, where the person who has the photo actually noticed the "ghost" is because when they quickly scanned the photo the "ghost face" set off face detector neurons in their brains.
It's simply a matter of selection.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:32:59 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
You'd think that by now a ghost would have come put and said "hey man, ima ghost."
koerbchen ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:07:07 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe they've been trying that for hundreds of years now. But as their vocal cords aren't materialized anymore, if they speak, all you can hear is some creepy howling.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:47:00 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Duh, they're sprites
SwordofDarkLight ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:50:53 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Just a thought, but since the face is really the most distinguishable part of the human body, we probably wouldn't even notice a ghost in a picture otherwise, especially since Ghosts often tend to be kind of whispy, they probably don't have much if a profile.
Zayadur ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:54:37 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
That Disneyland ghost never stared at the camera
Rulebreaking ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:56:31 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
It may have been in my mind but when I was smaller I was playing hide and go seek and I decided to hide in the celler. I sat their for a good 20 minutes wondering if my brother would come down here too look for me, so as my patience started to grow slim I hear a noise I look to the left saw nothing then I looked to my right saw nothing then back to my left and there standing there with no recollection of me sitting where I was was a man with a top hat a cane and dressed very well just walked around, I couldnt believe what I was seeing, my body froze. I just sat their all white faced, watching this man just walking around.. and about 5 minutes later he disappeared... I decided hide and go seek was over and ran up stairs and I decided to look back and he was their watching me run which obviously made me yelp and run faster... Im telling everyone and theyre just all sitting their with a bullshit grin on their faces and I dont blame them because I would've done the same, so later that night for the next 2 weeks or so our tvs would turn on at 3am at full blast on the french channel, we had 6 tvs, and I was now like shitting my pants but not literally but thats when people started to believe me, my mom didnt know what to do, she was actually at the point yelling in the house "What do you want!" And im running around unplugging all the tvs and obviously I didnt unplug the one in my room in the basement for last but I was prepping myself to go down their and as soon as I open my door he was their the man with the top hat and juat bowed and vanished. Nothing ever happened after that... Me and my mom still talk about it and thats also the day I started to believe in the supernatural.
TL; DNR saw a well dressed ghost, he played mind games with me and my family and simply disappeared after his acknowledgement.
NoNeedForAName ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:57:35 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
There's at least one above of a man with a dog staring out a window at the people who are actually the subject of the picture. But yeah, there's a definite trend.
AmbystomaMexicanum ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:58:28 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
The one posted by /u/butterylou shows the "ghost" looking out the window. I get what you're saying, though. However, if these were sentient ghosts, wouldn't they know to look at a camera during photos? Not saying they're real, just playing devil's advocate.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:59:54 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I highly encourage you look up the famed ghost of Bachelor's Grove
ColdToast ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:05:30 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
If I was just chilling out alone somewhere and someone walked into my room I would probably watch them too. Especially when they hold up a camera. Now if a ghost was in a similar situation, especially if he'd never seen a camera before, I can totally see him doing the same.
But I do agree with you, it's interesting how there isn't a single picture of th_e side of a ghost. Could be that any picture that does contain that is harder to recognize the features to make out the ghost? Or as I explained above they're always looking so we just need to catch them off guard!
LiquidAsylum ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:23:02 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Along the same lines: Why does everyone who sees a U.F.O. (Unidentified Flying Object) assume it's aliens? Especially when the government or military is obviously lying or trying to cover it up. There's a much better chance that it's some classified government project that they dont want you to know about because, you know.... it's top secret.....
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:28:59 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I had a good one a few years ago, lost the photo in a computer melt-down though. I was taking pictures of the cemetery here in town, found some ghosts over along the tree line by some graves. The woman and children were both turned away from the camera looking at each other. I outlined a woman in a full skirt and hat, two children in what looked like white gowns. Walked over to see what was going on and there was a woman's grave marked 1919 and a child's near it. Probably flu victims. Most deaths that year of young folks were related to the flu.
koerbchen ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:41:34 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Are you some kind of ghost hunter?
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:46:50 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Nope. There were some interesting old stones there, town's founders, some old names too. I used to take pictures of old family cemeteries and post them online so descendants could easily find graves of their great great whatevers.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:35:17 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I imagine if a ghost was just chilling out on a chair or something and a living person walked in with a camera the ghost would look at it and the human out of curiosity
Diclbeard ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:37:18 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I see you found a flaw In our human thinking.
dogboi ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:37:41 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah. Most of the pictures are likely double exposures (which is why the people in them are staring at the camera.)
bubbas111 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:39:39 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Ghosts gotta look good doe.
881221792651 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:41:00 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Well, it is all bull shit. Perhaps that has something to do with it.
nadroj_eel ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:50:00 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
http://i.imgur.com/AmpVRbQ I agree. This was a photo taken in my friends basement a couple years ago. The lady is a paranormal investigator his mom brought in and she was reading documents found in this room when the picture was taken.
opspearhead ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:06:26 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
How will Boo know when to start following you if he's not looking at you?
circaATL ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:06:33 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
If ghosts are real, why wouldn't they be looking at some person with a camera making a bunch of noise. Any animal would do it if they weren't used to people. That's to say if the animal didn't run off first.
mindwandering ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:07:06 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
GET HER!!!!!
maxfreakout ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:12:37 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
the question called for the most convincing photos, so one can assume all the distracted or ambivalent or 'bad hair day' ghost/creature shots were disqualified during the vetting process
emkay99 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:13:45 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I've always wondered why it is that a "ghost" -- which is insubstantial by definition -- is affected by gravity. Why doesn't a ghost ever just stroll off up into the air at an angle? Or drift into the stratosphere? Is it just habit?
TheUltimateSalesman ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:17:32 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I don't know, but if I caught a ghost upper decking my toilet, that'd be grounds for KO.
Lannex24 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:28:11 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe. If a foreign entity came up to me and pointed a 'device' (camera) in my direction, I would be looking straight at it out of curiosity and fear.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:52:22 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Ghosts are fucking attention whores.
Rhumald ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:30:15 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Energy is hard to focus, you want to be seen if you're getting seen from the spirit realm, minor spirits typically have difficulty focusing, so looking at something helps them direct what little photons they can capture and re-direct towards it.
Perhaps though, it's just easier to predict and manipulate energy flow in secluded areas. You get people moving about all crowded like and the flow of energy, and levels of energy, become unpredictable, and thus very difficult to project anything from. An area entirely removed from human societies suffers from a lack of familiar energy flow that results in the same problem.
This is making some assumptions though. There's other hypothesis, like perhaps once dead, you're no longer bound by time, and so keeping in tune with the main time line is actually very difficult. It's like trying to catch a speeding bullet, it's much easier to sit back, play around in, and observe the trail it leaves through the air.
You can cast nets forward, observable projections of yourself, in an attempt to catch someone's interest, thus feeling out where the main timeline sits, how it's moving, and maybe recruit some help connecting to it, if you really want to affect things that much (which is why those observable events repeat themselves); but that doesn't mean you'll be able to stay without further binding and help, or that the toll of being forced to keep up takes on you is exactly healthy either... basically, time itself, once you've lost the frame of reference, may make it next to impossible to track, let alone connect to it in any meaningful way.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:35:13 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
if i were a ghost i wouldnt come out until something happened, for example someone wandering into my abandoned building. i would also probably be looking at the person with a camera.
no_frikkin_clue ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:37:33 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Wouldn't it make sense for ghosts to be looking at the camera? Humans instintively look at someone ponting a camera. As ghosts they are simply behaving as they ould when they were "alive".
clls ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:37:53 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
because http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K005uMQHp7I
ghostofpicasso ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:45:14 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
There's a photo of a 'ghost' closing a window at some english abbey (?)
mocmocmoc81 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:49:22 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
They're trying to communicate. Even if a person died in 1600, his spirit would still know what a digital camera is because they have all the time in the world to catch up on tech. I mean, if you're a ghost, what the hell else would you do other than observing the living world around you slowly evolve? What would you do for shits and giggles if you're a ghost? spooking the living of course!
If you really think about it, why are all apparitions clothed? did their clothing died and became non physical too?
dandaman0345 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:01:58 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Also, the way our brains see faces and figures in random splotches makes it look as if they are staring at us. I'm not sure what the evolutionary advantage of this phenomenon is, but it is sure good at scaring the fuck out of me.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:04:44 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
My guess is it's because a lot of them are double exposures. That, or you're creating a face out of light and shadow because that's what your brain does.
Broodking ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:20:50 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Ghosts are spiritual creatures, I feel like they would be more focused on other things with souls, animals and people. It must be lonely to be a ghost, so I would imagine they are more focused on people who they can "interact" with.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:36:55 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Posted by /u/pisaudapur in /r/TheTruthIsHere: "I've always thought of the Bachelors Grove Cemetery Photo when talking about this" (photo - http://i.imgur.com/fjY9diD.jpg) (comment - http://www.reddit.com/r/Thetruthishere/comments/1svf8t/what_in_your_opinion_is_the_most_convincing_photo/ce1q9h0)
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:43:57 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Looks like proof that the face of a ghost must be hollow. /s
CptOblivion ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:53:44 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
To be fair, most candid pictures of me I'm staring into the camera too. When you notice someone pointing a thing right at you, you tend to look at it.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:02:51 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
"Ook ghost, say cheese for the camera!"
koerbchen ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:11:05 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Cheeeeese
fmaestro99 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:27:53 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Not a believer but if we were to assume that the figures in the pictures/photos are real, given the isolated area they are in surely the arrival of a person would be something they notice and therefore take a look at?
rydan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:52:08 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
It is called a photobomb. When you photobomb something do you look at the camera or away from it?
vassalage ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:50:24 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
If there was a random person in your room, would your back be turned to them?
You're implying ghosts are oblivious to living people, which I really don't think they are.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:20:54 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
They might be ghosts of celebrities. I don't want to live on the planet if this is a valid theory and Kanye doesn't take care of his unfinished business.
Random-Miser ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:33:23 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Well what else would the ghost be looking at if not at the guy with the weird doohicky pointed at it? :p
InternetFree ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:34:37 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Meh, maybe they just never get noticed in other pictures.
Also, if I was a ghost and somehow wanted to make contact with the living world I most likely would try looking at the camera too. Maybe wave a bit.
HS_fuck_story ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:18:33 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah that's probably because most of these are optical illusions caused by the expectation of a human face looking toward the camera.
theguynamedtim ยท 411 points ยท Posted at 16:29:02 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)*
Edit: From the previous thread
[deleted] ยท 347 points ยท Posted at 17:54:44 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)*
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imOnWelfare ยท 138 points ยท Posted at 21:30:07 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
they should send a person down there.
[deleted] ยท 530 points ยท Posted at 23:07:12 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
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Cruithne ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 03:23:43 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
/r/holdmybeer
charlizardofyogs ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:50:24 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Nana?
Red_Gardevoir ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 12:42:28 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I'm Aussie. Bring it on!
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 09:12:22 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
TL;DR: guy drowns because water moving through an impassable field of gravel holds them underwater
MotorThree ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:14:22 on December 21, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Fuck fuckin no thank you
GTI-Mk6 ยท 68 points ยท Posted at 17:59:44 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
They have a believe. The trackers either never show back up or the battery dies before reaching the surface again.
ItsQrank ยท 121 points ยท Posted at 18:15:42 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
It seems unlikely to me that we don't have some sort of basic GPS unit that we can throw down in there that has enough battery life to make the trip.
piemasterp ยท 112 points ยท Posted at 18:31:15 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Have you ever tried to use GPS in a cave? Hell, my phone GPS doesn't work when a tree is in the way. I suppose a GPS would work if the water exits the cave at some point, but if it all collects underground it might be too deep to get a reading.
ItsQrank ยท 23 points ยท Posted at 18:44:08 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Ah, I didn't think about the signal issues. That's a great point; the battery issue on the other hand isn't.
[deleted] ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 19:13:43 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Bad signal takes more of a toll on battery. The things probably just get hung on something.
dscdn ยท 26 points ยท Posted at 19:51:54 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
A big theory is that the water all runs through a porous rock somewhere on its route that acts as a filter. That's why the things thrown down never come back up.
[deleted] ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 19:54:50 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
They should just pour an obscene amount of non-toxic dye into the water and see if there's any discoloration in the nearby bodies of water
dscdn ยท 30 points ยท Posted at 19:57:17 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
They actually tried that as well, no dye was found in any of the theorized outlet bodies of water. That thing is a mystery.
[deleted] ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 01:08:29 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
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dscdn ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 03:05:37 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
It's a good idea, and I agree with you that an improved gps is a good answer. But as I stated one of the major problems is that most likely there is an almost solid wall somewhere down there composed of porous rock, maybe limestone. You are going to have a constant flow of water going through with objects getting caught in one of the holes or tunnels. If you threw a thousand gps down the hole one might find the perfect pathway through, but they have also thrown ping pong balls down and not found a single one. So were probably looking at small holes.
bphill89 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:01:45 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
i dont understand why no one has mentioned sonar mapping. how has this idea escaped the minds of these people? also a trained scuba diver should be able to reach a point where there is more than likely porous rock formation and return and send his ass down there with a camera. if thats not possible why not some type of miniaturized submersible that can eject smaller transceivers as it navigates its way through that way it can maintain a video and radio transmissions as it navigates its way through.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 20:31:09 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I wonder how much dye they used though. There's a lot of water going through there. They'd need at the very least a few gallons of highly concentrated stuff to keep it from being diluted to nothingness in anything more than a medium pond.
dscdn ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 21:38:37 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Actually If I remember they used a lot of dye, but even with the amount they used the researchers still said that it was very likely not enough. As far as I've heard they haven't repeated the experiment with more dye, it might not have enough interest or funding to be cost productive.
CoveredInKSauce ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 22:29:38 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Why not throw a scuba diver down there?
LightningSphere ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 22:50:42 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
RIP bravest guy ever
CoveredInKSauce ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:52:36 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
yea not for me
ErlendJ ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 23:05:51 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Then hire someone to jump down, and then see if he lives to tell about it ot whether or not they find his body.
[deleted] ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 02:50:48 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
They should just throw a ball of yarn down and follow it
Tulki ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 10:09:43 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
We should just dump all of our garbage down the hole until something bad happens.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:32:41 on December 16, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
The garbage man can!
Montezum ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:37:49 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
That's not what Dante's Peak taught me!
Choralone ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:36:39 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Not might be.. would absolutely be. Getting information transmitted through a lot of solid rock is basically impossible.
CauselessEffect ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:08:53 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
They could create a device which only "calls home" once per day or something. I'd be surprised if this wasn't already the case.
SimplyMilk ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 00:49:54 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
The water almost certainly surfaces eventually. Just give the thing a super good battery and drop it in. It'll show up eventually.
norternp ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:38:51 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
GPS doesn't work underground, and they never resurface.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:39:24 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Throw water color in them
DrStephenFalken ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:30:13 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I say cut out the middle man and throw a rope with an anchor and a deep sea camera on it. Let's find out what happens.
HannsGruber ยท 53 points ยท Posted at 20:46:33 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Well... they could design a sonar box or ball to drop in there. Give it a close to neutral buoyancy, an a battery that will last a few weeks. Every ten or so seconds have it send off a massive ping and using a basic array of receivers on the ground listen for the faint echo.
Hell make it only last 24 hours. If it stops moving in that time frame you found the "wall" of porous rock.
Choralone ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 01:38:47 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I'm thinking that wouldn't work out so well. If you mean listening through the ground... when we want to use sound to see the structure of rock underground, we detonate explosives and listen to the echos. That's how much power we need to do a sounding - a decent sized hole filled with a high explosive.
You aren't going to fit anything with it's own power source that's going to communicate through anything short of a couple feet of solid rock.
WASH_YOUR_VAGINA ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:47:39 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Or just throw a rubber duck in there and see where it surfaces again, have people watch all nearby rivers and streams and lakes, or dye in the water, people are usually quick to notice fluorescent green water, and they do that for drainage pipes and stuff, right? Although it would make it a lot harder, at least the battery won't run out
itsamutiny ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 02:25:16 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Wikipedia says they've dumped LOTS of stuff in, and either it's never surfaced or it's surfaced so far away that people didn't know to look for it.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judge_C._R._Magney_State_Park#The_Devil.27s_Kettle
WASH_YOUR_VAGINA ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:41:29 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
And there was me thinking I was being clever! I bet there's an underwater lake filled with stuff people keep throwing in there
itsamutiny ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:37:43 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
You were being clever, obviously great minds think alike! I do wish they'd find the end, though.
g-dragon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:23:30 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I imagine whenever they find the other end, they're going to find lots of dead bodies.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:29:48 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Yea man why hasnt anyone ever thought of that!?
Coosy2 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:26:33 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
r/conspiracy Edit-formatting
theguynamedtim ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:50:09 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
You could've just done /r/conspiracy. It makes it much easier than the whole []() bs
Coosy2 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:24:28 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I did, and it didn't show. So yeah...
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:30:14 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Then you did it rong.
Coosy2 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:36:29 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
That's why I changed it. How do I do it right?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:41:12 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
type / r / subreddit. /r/wtf
Coosy2 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:43:44 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Ok, I forgot the spaces, that makes sense
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:01:09 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
No spaces. If i had not used spaces it would have made a link.
Coosy2 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:01:55 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Oh well I don't know then...
DoctorOctagonapus ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:52:43 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
They poured a shitload of bright pink dye in there and never saw any of it again.
Ed-alicious ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 20:15:06 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
GPS needs line of sight with at least three satellites to work, which you're probably not going to get underground!
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:01:03 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
GPS is also a passive technology. You have to transmit the coordinates somehow anyway. At that point I guess it would be more energy efficient to just transmit pings and triangulate the signal like they do with wild animals. I say connect it to a light-sensor, and only start pinging when it detects light.
LazLoe ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:44:29 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Been tried, no signal.
skatedaddy ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:02:34 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
How has this not happened in this day and age.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 21:46:57 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I threw down a GPS tracker down it a few years back. Lost signal pretty quickly, and never hiked around that part again.
_Orange_tictac_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:22:51 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
A GPS uses satellites to triangulate our position to determine where we are. Without a way to get the signals underground a GPS won't work.
ty23c ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:31:23 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Or they send someone in there and see where their body ends up!
plastikspoon1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:05:53 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I think I read somewhere that some people dumped a couple hundred rubber ducky's in there to see where they end up, but so far none have resurfaced. They pretty much wrote it off as them getting stuck somewhere
Daiwon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:16:08 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I think it also filters through gravel so something like this would be impossible.
ShamanicHellZoneImp ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:04:10 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Well shit, you're hired.
electricmink ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:33:18 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Better - high concentration flourescent dye. Nothing to go mechanically wrong with it, can be detected at high dilutions, and you should be able to narrow down where the Kettle connects up to the lakes based on dye concentrations on the far end.
ValeYellow46 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:40:14 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Or maybe just some environmentally safe dye, and then look for some local water source that changes color a bit.
Foxes_Soxes ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:43:14 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Do you have a link to that article? If love to read more :)
jdhillmer ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:02:21 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Shit, did anyone else read House of Leaves? :/
Oznog99 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:03:52 on December 16, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
They recorded 17 hours of static.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:33:09 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I'm pretty sure they've thrown a car in there. Good luck with your idea, though.
PhotoGuy91 ยท 37 points ยท Posted at 21:41:27 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Sounds like a prime location to dump a body.
But in all seriousness they could very well know where it goes but choose instead to keep it a tourist attraction because it is super underwhelming.
Babomancer ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:27:12 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Sounds about right, like the Mystery Spot in Santa Cruz.
chronotopia ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 20:51:21 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Divert the water, send in a spelunker/robot spelunker?
XxmsmaliciousxX ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 18:19:23 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Seems pretty awesome. I'm curious if you can re route the water to the main fall, and then send divers down. Maybe with some rope. Keep attaching rope to the main rope if need be. This has piqued my curiosity for sure!
Infinitron ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:52:24 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Neat!
FlamingOctopi ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:14:40 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I want to see a fully manned expedition or at least lower a camera and light down that hole.
Kidou ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:05:29 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Has anyone jumped in it?
DigitalSpectrum ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:17:36 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Ok, but how is this supernatural?
wickedcold ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:09:23 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I don't see what the big deal is. It goes to an underground river. It's not like the water is disappearing into space.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:51:58 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Has anyone been lowered down into it with towing cable or something?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:21:38 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
deja vu
occupykony ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:48:44 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I knew I had seen this exact same comment made before in one of these threads. You literally copied and pasted this comment.
octoale ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:22:02 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Well yeah, he linked to the original comment.
aDildoAteMyBaby ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:28:13 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
That is way creepier, and way cooler, than it should be.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:43:16 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I reckon divert the water going in and get some good cave explorers to go have a look. Also while diverting the water back to the other side they could monitor surrounding bodies of water for unusual drops in level
redditator1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:47:50 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Divert the river, then we can stop wondering. Then its just a hole.
BJ_Sargood ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:54:23 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
They should cap it off and see what happens. Or scuba in there.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:13:36 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Also why hasn't someone just going down there? Cave divers do that kind of dangerous thing, right?
ihaveN0 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:22:29 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Low Shoulder
This is where they tried to sacrifice Jennifer, except she wasn't a virgin. She wasn't even a back door virgin thanks to Roman. She then became some demon thing and killed some people. Thankfully Needy took care of things and in doing so absorbed some of Jennifer's supernatural abilities.
lotioned ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:29:48 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I've read about this formation before and never really got why this was so spooky or mysterious. Aren't there lots of caves and whatnot that we haven't fully explored? Why is it exceptional that we don't know exactly where the water goes?
omygodcats ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:59:04 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
They should toss a waterproof camera down there that will livefeed back to some folks.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:10:39 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I like that whenever these threads come around (Every four hours) people completely disregard the question. This is an interesting fact you saw online, not a picture of something unexplained.
everyoneisflawed ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:16:33 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Has anyone just tried going down there themselves with a camera?
ImperfectRegulator ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:23:04 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Why don't they get a tiny remote control sub with a camera and find out, i mean like, shit man, we got subs that can explore the debths of the ocean but we cant get one for down here
DangerousLogic ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:32:35 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
They should use something to temporarily divert the water then let it drain.
yabadabwilldoya ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:40:03 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
nothing supernatural here, the car just turned a bit late.
SirZazzzles ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:54:10 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Am I the only one who thinks its just a rock in front of the water?
extra_23 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:35:09 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
guys what if we like got like a super long rope...
TheOnlyMomo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:39:17 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
We should just dye the water and see where the dye comes out. No battery. No signal issues. And nothing getting caught up in anything!
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:03:36 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
They've tried that.
iobase ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:10:58 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Idiots put a car in it.. Assholes.
TheDrumFish ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:22:26 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
That says "Scientists and hikers will keep tossing things into the Devilโs Kettle and watching Lake Superior for any sign of their trinkets..." Does that mean they have tried (waterproofed) radio or gps tracker things? Is there some problem that would make those not work reliably?
[deleted] ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 20:44:56 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I feel like the truth will be so disappointing
LadyBTC ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:53:45 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
GPS and radio wouldn't work for the simple reason of there being too much obstruction between the device and the receiver. To put it simply, there would be no signal.
chrisd93 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:40:09 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
But if it were to surface in the lake, you would know the end point, would you not?
LadyBTC ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:10:21 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Assuming it doesn't get snagged on something or get destroyed, I assume that should be true.
I find this stuff fascinating. If I had an absurd amount of money, I would divert the fall to go all on the right side, then send a camera/spelunker down there to see what's up :)
DimeShake ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:18:25 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Sure, if the battery lasts. And it does, indeed, surface...
sweetrolljim ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:09:59 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
they couldn't track it with five feet of rock in the way, let alone fifty or a hundred.
[deleted] ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 21:18:03 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
That's the one in Jennifer's Body, right? Lol
fezes-are-cool ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 18:35:22 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Has no one tossed a GPS in or a GoPro attached to a line? I feel like the scientists are really lazy, they just toss ping pong balls and give up.
JohhnyDamage ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:11:59 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
How is a GPS device working underground with no signal?
fezes-are-cool ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:22:45 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Well, if it would pop out somewhere, we would find out when the GPS signal starts working again.
inthelionsmane ยท 1304 points ยท Posted at 18:07:16 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)*
I grew up in a small, rural town in between mountains. A couple of years ago, they were tearing down an old elementary school. A guy my mom knew went in and took pics with his cell phone. When he uploaded them, this was one of the pics:
http://imgur.com/0WFM7SF
I don't believe in stuff like this at all. I just really don't know how to explain it since it was a cell phone pic and I'm pretty sure that no one in my podunk hometown knows how to make fake pics.
EDIT: For some reason, this is getting comments. To clarify, no, I don't believe this is real. I do think it's weird. In all reality, it probably is a chair or debris or something since this was an abandoned school in the middle of being torn down.
The reason I mentioned that it was a cell phone pic is because the pic is a few years old and it most likely taken with a crappy phone thus bad quality.
But still, looks creepy and dude couldn't explain it. I'll ask my mom about it tomorrow and see what she remembers.
archaictext ยท 709 points ยท Posted at 19:31:54 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
To me it just looks like some kind of material that vaguely resembles a human boy. Our minds as humans tend to assume familiar shapes out of abstract forms; like how wood grain or clouds can be really fun to look at, especially with the assistance of certain recreational pharmaceuticals. Also, what is wrong with that cellphone camera? It looks like it was printed out using a printer that was running out of ink, and then someone took a picture of that.
TranBearPig ยท 126 points ยท Posted at 19:44:59 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
The human is actually insanely biased toward faces. All you need is shapes in a triangular arrangement and we are likely to attribute them to a face and an emotion. Like in toast. It's biologically one of the ways we have the ability to sympathize with things and each other. It is not unique to humans but it manifests itself in weird ways, like in this photo.
I also want to add that it's most likely glare, as we can see the light hitting the shiny brick to the right of the doorway. So we know that the brick is causing a light source to bounce into the lens.
LetItAllOutMan ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 19:51:11 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
The fusiform gyrus is the part of the brain that is trained to decipher faces. It also happens to be the part of the brain, which most commonly mistakes deciphered faces.
datsic_9 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 21:25:34 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Is that part of the brain damaged or defective in face-blind people? I'd assume they also can't interpret burn marks on a piece of toast as a face, but can they recognize animals by faces alone?
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datsic_9 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:09:21 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
That's interesting.. Is prosopagnosia an all-or-nothing kind of condition, or could someone be mildly face-blind?
SayHiToForever ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:25:35 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
No, it is not an all-or-nothing thing, it has a range of presentations and people are able to relearn familiar faces. Like most brain disorders, there can be a range in presentation with prosopagnosia. Whether it is CVA related, ABI/TBI related, pathological, etc can all have an effect. In addition, the abilities of the patient are greatly affected by their volition and attitude toward the impairment. Some are able to use compensatory strategies to make up for the face-blindness (such as looking for hairstyles, skin marking, identifying names with epithets like "tall guy mark", identifying by voice, etc) whereas others never seem to embrace the need to participate in rehab... this is of course directly affected by co-morbidities like cognitive decline, language disorders, behavioral outbursts (all of which are common with brain injuries).
norieeega ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:33:05 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)*
As someone who is mildly face blind I can tell that I recognise people where my mind expects to meet them, but I can be totally oblivious and walk past the same person if we meet somewhere else. Unless they are good friends that I have met in enough places for my mind to recognize them most everywhere.
Edit: Oh, and I can totally recognize facelike shapes in things, but that might be because it amuses me. I have difficulties distinguishing between dogs that look very similar but I recognise pretty fast dogs I know well.
SayHiToForever ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:45:11 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, excellent point, environment plays a huge role in it too, especially if the individual is anticipating seeing a face they ought to recognize.
vousetesbelles ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:58:57 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, this area (in particular, the Fusiform Face Area), would be damaged or not functioning normally in those individuals. To the best of my knowledge, they wouldn't be able to mistakenly interpret inanimate objects as being faces.
Disclaimer: I am a university student and not a scientist so I could be wrong on this.
Squacking ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:40:09 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
This. The fusiform face area (FFA) in the brain will fire even to things that just barely resemble a face. It can be further be trained to identify faces, even when none actually exist. Check out experiments using "greebles" if you want to learn more about it. (http://www.psy.vanderbilt.edu/faculty/gauthier/FoG/Greebles)
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:38:58 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I read that one reason for being able to spot a face so well was invaluable in the jungle when people had to avoid tigers and gorillas back in the day...
ThirdFloorGreg ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:17:34 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
People still don't do so well when they fail to avoid tigers and gorillas.
satanismyhomeboy ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:04:42 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
The best example of this is that we see a face in two dots and a line, such as :)
Madrazo ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:19:26 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
It's like how Facebook will ask you to tag that random cartoon dog face in the background of your photo.
GroggyOtter ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:45:06 on December 16, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Great comment TranBearPig! :)
is_that_your_mom ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 22:58:55 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
If you zoom in or cover parts of the image it does not resemble a boy at all. It looks like the pedestal from a sink to me. If that were a child he would have very long arms and crooked eyes.
W00ster ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 21:40:04 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
That is like people thinking they can see Jesus in this picture!
nootrino ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:17:47 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
He's there! Praised be the butthole!
Dr_Kitten ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 20:37:29 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
The face on Mars is a good example of this. Here's what it looks like up close/higher-res.
11711510111411009710 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:41:53 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Do people actually believe it's a real intelligent being? I mean seriously. Come on.
Tundraaa ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:44:18 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Yes we do. And your time is coming.
Dr_Kitten ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:54:52 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I think it's more that they think it was left by intelligent beings, maybe even as a sign to us.
11711510111411009710 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:11:52 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Ah, that makes more sense. Kind of. If it was a sign from intelligent life, why such an obscure sign? Why not, "HEY. WE EXIST." Or something. Well maybe not that, they won't speak English, but maybe just that in their language, because at least we'll know that there is no way a rock formation would look so strange when the rest of the mountains look so normal. Something.
Sir_Cats ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:22:28 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Wow. I remember reading a whole book on this as a kid. Stupid kid.
Drowned_In_Spaghetti ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:40:16 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I still see a face.....
crappycap ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 19:44:54 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
probably an old cell phone camera. flip phone ish.
most non flagship phones have subpar sensors and do a terrible job autocorrecting lighting (or overcorrecting)
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:32:01 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
people forget how shitty the first camera phones were
arahman81 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:11:46 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
And compared to current cameras, some mobile cameras still are. I ain't taking anything more than casual photos with my N7, the image quality is just bleh.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:17:59 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
get an S4. it's fucking amazing, plus it's a great phone
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PilotPistachio ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 21:31:03 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
To me, if zoomed in, the "ghost" appears to be a chair. Zoom in at the bottom, and you can see the chair leg, and the "head" looks like a headrest in low lighting conditions. The body also looks too inhuman.
Butt_Bugles ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:55:52 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Could taking a pic in the dark make it look like that if it doesn't have a great flash? Or maybe it's an old flip phone camera.
borderal ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:57:31 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I agree. Why are these things never taken with an iPhone or another smart phone with a decent camera.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:28:00 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
One of my old phones took pictures that looked like that.
thefifth5 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:31:08 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Dude, that thing has hair
zid ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:36:40 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paredolia
Chuckgofer ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:43:17 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
/r/Pareidolia
derpherpatitis ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:56:48 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Well you gotta remember, there are some really shitty phones out there.
archaictext ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:00:03 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I remember the haha. True.
Not_A_Hyperbole ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:28:21 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Ah, now I know what archaictext does with his free time.
le3rddegreetroll ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:36:18 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Have you ever used a flip phone camera?
CuriousGeorge2400 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:32:31 on December 16, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
What your referring to is the Gestalt principle of similarity.
scottisnot ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:11:28 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
While it's true people are prone to make familiar shapes out of objects what kind of material do you think that is? You can't just be given a photo that looks like a ghost and say it's some type of material and bring up that. What material is in the middle of the door with features oddly resembles a little kid with a face? I'm not saying it can't be just some ordinary object, without proof and explanations you can not prove it to be one or the other.
The point about the cellphone, maybe since they're in rural town they don't have iphones and galaxies like city folks. Believe it or not iphone isn't the only cellphones, and since they're in a rural town maybe the guy had a cheap ass motorola phone that doesn't have a HD camera. I had a old ass phone that would take pictures like what op posted.
archaictext ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:27:53 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Just look at everything else in the room. The place is falling apart and obviously abandoned. To me it looks like it could be the side of a broken book shelf or desk that has worn off paint in different spots. That's just what I see though, and I obviously wasn't there so I'm not going to be a fool and say 100% that wasn't a ghost, but come on.
As for the phone thing, I am obviously aware there are crappier phones than iphones. Not just people in rural places use crappy phones either. No need to get condescending about it. I was in high school when cell phones were still analogue, and I have owned my share of crappy phones (before and after they had cameras). I was making a point about how the picture looks crappy. The lines in it are strange. Not that it couldn't have been caused by poor cell phone camera quality. I just find it strange that people feel this is more likely a ghost than the collective effects of a low quality picture, human nature and superstition.
YodaYogurt ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:45:06 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Can't explain it? Must be a ghost!
Shniggles ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:29:43 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Could it bee one of those half-bodies people practice CPR on?
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Garris0n ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:56:52 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
It's all about the Creative Butt. For the record, I actually typed Butt, not Butt.
Everybody with this extension now has to turn it off.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:38:10 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
What're you talking about cloud or butt?? It sounds like you're talking out'a your cloud! I'm so confused!
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 20:35:37 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
That psychological phenomenon is called pareidolia!
omguhax ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:10:45 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Also called anthropomorphication in philosophy and other subjects. We're social creatures and tend to see humans where even minutely applicable. We want to see human characteristics in our pets (we even draw anthropomorphized cartoon animals), in our world or earth (Gods, Gaia principle...), in our toast even (Jesus faces), and other aspects of life.
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omguhax ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:08:34 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Google it, first hit: "the attribution of human characteristics or behavior to a god, animal, or object."
Pareidolia is typically referred to as misinterpreting general stimuli.
Rowdybunny05 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:03:37 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I was watching a special called "your effed up brain". They were explaining that a photo of mars shows a human face, and tons of people believed this was a human face. But another photo of the same spot years later show a mountain range. But people see faces, we associate with our own faces and recognize it in clouds, paintings, photos, even Doritos. Our brain recognizes a face and says "that's a face" and ignores the details around it.
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MaxMouseOCX ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:45:20 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Why's that? Because he doesn't believe in things which violate the laws of physics and is attempting to offer a rational explanation instead of believing it's a ghost?
ThreadEnhancer ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:31:53 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
That's it he's tries to rationalize everything that goes against his way of thinking that's why I said narrow minded. I'm not even saying ghost exist but you should at least acknowledge that they might exist
MaxMouseOCX ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:50:48 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Why should I acknowledge that they might exist?
You know there's such a thing as having a mind so open your brains fall out... Differentiating between what's possible or plausible and outright mumbo jumbo (as all supernatural and religious things are) isn't a difficult thing to do.
If I'm willing to entertain the existence of ghosts then I must also be willing to entertain the existence of the tooth fairy, unicorns, Santa clause etc... Seriously, the explanations put forward for the existence of ANY supernatural occurrence are fucking laughable... And the "evidence" even more so.
I'll acknowledge the existence of ghosts when someone puts forward believable evidence and explains it within the framework of modern physics... If they have to come up with new physics to do that, all the better, I'm all ears.
Until then, it's complete Bullshit and should be called as such.
ThreadEnhancer ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:54:05 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
There are many haunted places all around Europe and the US but anyways your fedora is showing I was surprised I didn't find god on that list
MaxMouseOCX ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:14:03 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
My fedora is showing? Lol... I had to Google that one, and now I feel old...
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:04:27 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
You are being trolled.
MaxMouseOCX ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:11:20 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I doubt it... I'm just conversing, I'm not even mad... Bro.
tttulio ยท 29 points ยท Posted at 20:09:19 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
It is amazing those smartphones have some amazing cameras on them, but when it is time to picture something supernatural, they are all crap.
Asherasdf ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:24:53 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Not all phones have good cameras. He didn't even say it was a smartphone and there are some pretty crappy cell phone cameras.
[deleted] ยท 32 points ยท Posted at 19:42:51 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
As creepy as that is at first glance, I've done some exploring of abandoned buildings, and that looks a lot like a piece of furniture. I've had several instances where something like this nearly made me shit my pants before I realized it was just an oddly-placed object.
proddy ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:05:39 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Hell I was walking home after work one afternoon. I was tired, and noticed a man wearing bright neon yellow clothing standing at the edge of a park. I don't know why I noticed him, but I thought from the distance between us he must be huge. As I got closer, he never moved. Just stood there.
When I finally got close enough, around 100m away, I realized I was looking at a sign. It was a neon yellow sign saying that its a school zone.
I just went straight to sleep when I got home.
nootrino ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:18:56 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
He shape shifted before you got close!
Choralone ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:35:50 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Thus it is with every camera, ever, in any technology. Thus will it always be.
Swiftysmoon ยท 50 points ยท Posted at 19:28:15 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
It looks like a support column to me. Still very creepy at first glance.
RustyTromboner69 ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 20:09:53 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
How in the fuck is that a support column?
Swiftysmoon ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 20:12:42 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
You can see the outline of a pole above it. Just my personal opinion.
flawless_flaw ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 20:49:33 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Poland can into scary!
Blahblahblahinternet ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 20:11:52 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)*
That'd be a really weird/unnecessary spot for a support column.
ToastyRyder ยท 28 points ยท Posted at 20:15:11 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
"Where should we put this support column?" "Eh, stick it right in the middle of that doorway.. oh, and don't forget to put a face on it."
Swiftysmoon ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:21:42 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I agree. I was thinking about that after I posted it, but it really looks like a column of some sort to me, there's a graduation in shadow above the face that is similar in shape to a pole, and if you look at the top of the door there's a similar white part that looks like it could be where the pole attaches to the ceiling. It also looks like it might be far enough into the room that it'd be easy enough to move around. It may not be a permanent fixture either, or something added after the building was decommissioned to help stabilize it against decay. It could very well not be a pole, but that's what my brain has turned it into.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:51:13 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Between someone sticking one in an odd spot, and ghosts existing, I'm siding with odd design choices as the more probable.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:10:29 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, they give support columns faces at my old school too.
Swiftysmoon ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:12:12 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Lighting I'd wager.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:15:35 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Heh, possibly. I do light designing at school and sometimes you can make a very strange design if you get the lights positioned right. Shadows from the stage can make stuff look rather eerie as well.
Swiftysmoon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:24:23 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
And lets face it, the lighting in dilapidated buildings isn't the best. Who knows what it really is, but my theory is still some sort of pole-like structure with a thick base.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:25:40 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, I wouldn't have ever gone inside honestly. Creepy lighting is an instant nope for me.
FasterDoudle ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 19:42:24 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Looks like a CPR dummy.
hello_shittyy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:27:38 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Where I work we call him choking Charlie!
iJustDiedFromScience ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 19:31:50 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
It looks like a kid, but really it could be anything. Maybe a piece of wall or a piece of large cardboard. Our brain is quite good at seeing faces where there are none.
Cobayo ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 19:38:53 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
At first i saw something like this, but then i saw a face and i can't not-see a person now.
iJustDiedFromScience ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:52:46 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Exactly. If you look closely it doesn't really look like a person except for the head.
smoochwalla ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:37:38 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
How can faces be real if our eyes arent real!?
chubbychunk ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 20:22:34 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Looks like toddler Hitler to me.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:16:45 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
A lot of the responses are weird claiming a boy. It's a little girl in a pink dress with black pants (tights?) and black shoes. You see the outline of the arm (like the dresses top is like a tank top), and you can see the outline of the shoes.
obliviux_j ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 19:25:35 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
This is one of the creepiest/believable pics I've seen. Holy shit.
evilbob ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:10:38 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
What about it is believable? What do you believe it is a picture of?
obliviux_j ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:13:10 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
By believable I meant *legitimate looking
evilbob ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:56:31 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Do you mean it looks legitimately like a piece of debris, or it legitimately looks like something else?
Cookieverse ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 19:00:17 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
That's fucking terrifying.
RockinMoe ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:43:25 on December 17, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Looks a giant afro pick to me. You ain't found shit!
Fealiks ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 19:52:11 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Pareidolia.
ducttapetricorn ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:12:39 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Damn... where's the other half of his body? Looks like he's just popping up out of the ground.
Rocky87109 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:28:13 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
What hell kind of cell phone takes shitty pics like that?
Fun1k ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:34:27 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
/r/Pareidolia
theivingbullet ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:37:29 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I would've shit my bricks so hard after I took that picture and immediately viewed it on my phone.
kelvindevogel ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:10:41 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
It looks more like some sort of gas canister to me.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:27:52 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I do believe in entities and stuff like this but not like every picture I see is true. But this pic is somewhat real, I can see the shoulder line, the space between the arm and the torso, the belly, and the pectorals. Also you can see the hairline perfectly, the eyes are pretty dark because of the absence of light in that cavity but they are there, and the mouth line. I know most of you love to say that our eyes can create human figures out of anything but I can clearly see a kid on his 7 or 8 years. But there is something weird, the bottom is missing, no legs at all. I just find it weird even if there isn't any kid, I can see something and it's creeping me out. Sometimes the things we don't believe they exist actually exist and we just look for denial. Again this is my opinion.
Atrocity_Vector ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:31:55 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Looks like a young Hitler.
gormster ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:41:01 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
This is the fakest fake I ever fake.
The room is noisy and blurry as hell but the boy is crystal clear.
ImNotAWhaleBiologist ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:45:57 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
/r/pareidolia
We can find patterns sometimes where they don't exist.
fullmetalraz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:00:27 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Holy shit that is terrifying
BiggieBear ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:22:28 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Does not look like material at all
thinkstwice ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:28:49 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
A great example of Pareidolia!
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:36:59 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
looks like a naked ricky gervais....its horrible!
KatyPerrysBoobs2 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:43:17 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
It looks like a hot water tank, or just some kind of pillar
philm0 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:52:33 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Looks like the mean scientist in Nightmare Before Christmas...
zoombazoo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:21:13 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
why does it look like a colourized photo from 1915?
mrjaksauce ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:27:14 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
...a chair?
Andman17 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:34:56 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I feel like if I save this picture to my hard drive, it will unleash some sort of curse on my computer...god I'm weird.
nickd182 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:46:53 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
LITTLE HITLER
13thmurder ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:55:52 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
That looks like a CPR dummy. They're usually just a head and limbless torso, and they do stand on end like that for storage i think. Chances are, it was in a dark room and the flash illuminated it, so he never saw it until after.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:10:15 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
What does podunk mean?
inthelionsmane ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:12:17 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Backwoods. BFE.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:18:02 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
This is a very low resolution pic (probably altered too) of what seems an old building which was printed with an inkjet printer which had its ink color levels very low as you can see the vertical lines, and then this printout was shot with a digital camera.
Rooster402 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:37:07 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
just a naked midget
dog_in_the_vent ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:45:00 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
It doesn't have to be faked to not be authentic. It could be a lot of things other than a ghost in that picture.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:19:34 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Very much so reminds me of the paintings of Francis Bacon
john_snuu ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:23:23 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
lil' hitler
BabyNinjaJesus ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:39:09 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
The bodies the back of a chair and the head is something slighty further back
Gutterman2010 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:28:06 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Looks like a CPR dummy from a health class or a martial arts dummy.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:22:22 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I didn't realize cell phones had cameras in the 60s.
damnburglar ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:11:15 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
It looks like Hitler as a multiple amputee. Or am I too drunk for Reddit?
Frozeth29 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:34:28 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Easy, it's debris that looks like a small should when the resolution is low enough, there's a name for this phenomenon of recognizing people out of random stuff
WillsMyth ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:54:07 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Try looking at the picture upside down. Our brain want's it to be a person but if you turn it (or any photo) upside down your brain will stop trying to make sense of it and basically sees it as it's shapes. It looks nothing like a person upside down.
Decker87 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:45:23 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Why does it look like it was taken by a camera from the 80s? Even cameras 10 years ago took way better pics than this.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:42:19 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
looks like well made graffiti to me?
Dgremlin ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:36:05 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
It was mice.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:00:29 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
What happened with the comments?
BABY_CUNT_PUNCHER ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 19:27:04 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
It is a serious thread meaning off topic comments and jokes are removed.
Exitiabilis ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 19:47:09 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Well said, BABY_CUNT_PUNCHER.
HuggableBuddy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:41:52 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
It means a child is buried there. You must find its remains, lest your entire family be cursed for the next ten generations!
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:42:45 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Was he taking these pictures with his Jitterbug? Regardless, a pretty eerie picture.
ironlegdave ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:56:40 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not going to lie, I see a grayish colored floating boy with no legs, short brown hair , wearing a wife beater - his head slightly tilted to his right.
It's probably actually an empty grain sack positioned in front of the only window in the room.
bigassdolphin ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:31:37 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I always have liked the possibility of these things like this being real, It gives a whole new dimension to the world we live in.
krustynutsack01 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:53:01 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Man, for me the world is more than enough.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:38:28 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I was happily singing along to a song until I clicked on that photo and instantly stopped and shuddered. That looks so creepy! I hope there is a rational explanation for it.
jessticless ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:43:33 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Waiting for someone to come explain...
creatio_exnihilo ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:44:27 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
If it was a couple of years ago. Why did he bring a camera from the 1500s?
Kumpass_Skater ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:51:18 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Why is nobody talking about the really bad quality? Cell phone cameras weren't that bad a couple of years ago...
dafaqau ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:58:01 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I would be terrefied if i've took that Picture
evilbob ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:11:46 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Why?
The_Karma_Killer ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:10:20 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Honestly, it looks like an artifact in the picture along with some objects in the shadows. See how it matches up with the lines running up and down the picture?
idontgetit66 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:17:09 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Podunk town, butt fuck U.S.A.
Read_everything_ ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:37:31 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
As creepyb a s that photo is it looks like a poster or perhaps a growth chart
Bewarethejabberwocky ยท 1236 points ยท Posted at 15:06:07 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
The video creeps me out some http://vigilantcitizen.com/vigilantreport/mysterious-case-elisa-lam/
Eivis ยท 579 points ยท Posted at 16:22:11 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
The whole time reading this, I was thinking about people drinking that water. ugh..
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__1984__ ยท 25 points ยท Posted at 21:47:33 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
leading up to the discovery of Elisa Lamโs body in the water tank, at the Cecil hotel, โโThe water did have a funny taste,โ Sabrina Baugh, a guest at the Cecil, told CNN, which adds that Baugh and her husband had used the water for eight days. โWe never thought anything of it โฆ We thought it was just the way it was here,โ Baugh said, adding that black water would come out of the shower when the tap was turned on.โโ
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Wootery ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 22:41:55 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah...
In the first-world it might seem that everything presented to you as safe for consumption is indeed safe, but come on, black water...
happytime1711 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:26:28 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
You have to place one of the treasures into it to clear it up.
Wootery ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:11:52 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Vaguely related fun fact: Blackwater Security, the
mercenaries'private military company', have renamed... twice. First to Xe Services, later to Academi.Apparently shooting innocents is bad for a company's reputation.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:41:42 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Sometimes high mineral content, such as iron, in the water supply, can turn it dark and opaque like paint without affecting it's safety or taste too much.
Wootery ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:55:13 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Hmm. Is the water filtration meant to let that through?
I wouldn't drink it.
thehobbler ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 01:06:26 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
This is the plot to a horror short made by the guy that wrote the Ring...
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:51:39 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
FUCK THAT SHIT. OH MY GOD.
ThatsSciencetastic ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 22:58:16 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
If you do some more research you'll find multiple sources talking about reports of a 'funny taste' and a 'sweetly disgusting taste'.
FeedbackLoopAgain ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 12:23:07 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Given the victim it was probably sweet and sour.
newyorkpigeon ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 13:54:43 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
i am chinese and i laughed and fuck you
FeedbackLoopAgain ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:46:04 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Well I'm sorry but I just couldn't resist. A white American would probably give off a bologna or mac n cheese taste.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:23:44 on December 17, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
maybe wet dog taste
FeedbackLoopAgain ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:51:18 on December 17, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I've heard that in some Caribbean countries white people are considered to smell like wet chickens.
cuniversalist ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 21:51:52 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, the water tasted fine. It had a sweetness to it.
TheKolbrin ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:31:22 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
MrKMJ ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:43:22 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Even scarier. If there's a corpse in my drinking water, I would like to think I could tell the difference.
Tori23 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:35:20 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
so you're saying if my water pressure is bad there might be a body in the tank??
cheese_incarnate ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:15:10 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Not just sensationalism.
http://youtu.be/C2SPD7oz2Ao
torotorolittledog ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:59:43 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Part of the article mentions she was bi-polar. If she was having a major manic episode, that would explain a lot.
sis23 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 21:11:23 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
"No biohazards were found in the water."
...I call bs.
Domino_Raindrop ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 00:19:47 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Fuck this.
Namnagort ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:51:49 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
you would drink the water in a run down shitty motel bathroom?
through_a_ways ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:34:51 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
If you think that's weird, there was a TB outbreak very close to the hotel, around the same time.
One of the tests or whatever for TB is called the "LAM ELISA". Sounds creepy.
And then there was the whole thing about the missing footage/timestamps from the elevator video.
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niqtoto ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 18:39:45 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
It's not supposed to be accessible to anyone, it was alarmed and supposedly really hard to get to.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:05:07 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
With her total lack of fine motor control during the video I find it pretty hard to believe she wandered into that tank. This is not open and shut and it seems that people just wanted to make this thing go away.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:23:18 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
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bmacisaac ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 20:47:26 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
The guys who got her body out literally had to cut a hole in the tank to get her out. Nobody really knows how she actually got in there, cuz it's NOT accessible at all.
flybynightlord ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 22:03:52 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
They had to cut her out because it's exponentially easier to climb in than it is to climb out. There's nothing on the inside of that tank to give you purchase, you're trapped treading water in a metal cylinder.
outcast151 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 05:08:06 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
the idea of that horrified me more than anything ive seen here so far. fuck now im going to have a nightmare about that.
nsofu ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:33:52 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
As it has been pointed out elsewhere, a body bloats up after it's been in water a long time. Ever see pictures of tsunami victims?
rogishness ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:25:39 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
You'd be amazed at what goes on in these kind of systems. My bet, there is an intrusion switch on the tank hatch, but at some point in time the switch started to malfunction (common, depending on the switch time can be a huge nuisance. That switch is likely hooked up to some form of automatic alarm dialer, display, or operator interface. In the case of an alarm dialer, staff likely overrode the alarm or disabled the dialer. In the case of a display only system, they likely just ignored it. I see this in larger water systems all the time.
CRAZZYCURLSS89 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:28:31 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I've stayed at this hotel :( I remember there definitely being an odor about the hotel. UGH.
[deleted] ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 21:58:38 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
"Did it smell like... Sulfer?"
CRAZZYCURLSS89 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 22:36:29 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I don't even want to retrieve those memories from my brain to try to discern what exactly it smelled like...
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atla ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:09:21 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Pf. Everyone knows blood turns more yellow when you mix it with water.
mtempissmith ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 20:08:48 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
That genuinely creeps me out and it did when I first saw the news stories about it. She was in that tank for a while. If I had done that, been drinking that corpse-tainted water for that long and found out? I don't think I'd ever manage to drink anything ever again. I'd probably die myself of dehydration and disgust...
mightysprout ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:52:57 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Not that it will make you feel any better, but the water in those tanks is constantly emptying and refilling. The corpse is not in the same water the whole time. Some of that water is constantly being delivered to guests! I think this why, as someone else mentioned, no biohazard were found in the water.
yabadabwilldoya ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 20:48:47 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
never drinking water from a seedy crack motel that is notorious for murders again!
Busterr ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:16:10 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
The whole time I was thinking "Just take the bloody stairs"
aldousx ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:05:32 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I actually stayed at the Cecil about 2 weeks after she was discovered. Water tasted fine.
bevus ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:09:30 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
and showered in it
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:13:26 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Not to "ugh" you out even more but this actuallu happens and on a much larger scale.
Just a few months ago they found a skeleton in one of the water tanks in my city.
Appearently it's standard practice for mobsters and gangs to dump bodies in there.
[deleted] ยท 498 points ยท Posted at 16:12:42 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
The way she moves her arms always gives me the chills
Cryptophagist ยท 638 points ยท Posted at 17:49:15 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)*
Honestly if it makes you feel any better, it kind of looks like this women is tripping balls. The way she is so confused about things, the buttons, the way she moves her hands is something a lot of people do because of the trails you get. LSD is only detectable up to 4 days WITH A BLOOD TEST. They found her 2 weeks later, IN WATER. I think she may have just fallen in and didn't know how to get out. Poor girl, hope this helps you sleep at night.
Oh, and don't get me wrong LSD is frickin' awesome. Just don't over dose and don't trip alone if you aren't sure how to handle it. It can just get confusing and very very rarely things like this can happen. Just wrong place at the wrong time.
Edit: by overdose I mean don't take so much to where you don't know what you are doing, there is no reasonable overdose for LSD, you'd have to take so much that it hasn't even been given an overdose standard yet.
[deleted] ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 19:26:10 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
But what if the person dies with LSD in their system? Wouldn't it stay in her system because her body isn't filtering anymore?
MisterDonkey ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 20:45:31 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
When learning how to store it, I read that a lot of things destroy LSD including chemically treated drinking water.
BitchWidget ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:13:04 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Honestly I think it would be hard to get an accurate test for anything considering how, ahem, diluted everything would be.
Cryptophagist ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:13:06 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
That's what I was thinking but 2 weeks in water, that's a hell of a lot of decomposition. For something that is so easily diluted. It could have been easily missed.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:18:37 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
LSD decomposes incredibly easily. It's a very delicate molecule. It's also incredibly potent, so it's even active <100 micograms.
KloverCain ยท 49 points ยท Posted at 19:02:52 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
She is acting like she's on acid for sure. The hand thing and the getting really close to the buttons part are totally LSD behavior. Still creepy as shit though.
sanemaniac ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 00:51:18 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Or it was a psychotic break, fellas. There were reports that she was mentally ill.
KloverCain ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:52:33 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Could be but all of my experience with that type of mental illness suggests that those people are much more "manic" during those episodes and in control of their body even if they're moving unusually or babbling. Other than seeming paranoid, she moves very "carefully", like someone who is experiencing a perceived physical confusion with body and space as well as mental disorientation.
I'm going to vote combo of drugs and crazy.
ralexs1991 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:29:32 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Idk I didn't see any dark side of the moon stuff on her.
bears2013 ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 19:24:50 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I wonder how it affects those with mental disorders. she had bipolar disorder, so she may have been prone to manic episodes.
one of my friend's cousins did too much LSD and thought he was Jesus for two months afterwards. his family has a history of schizophrenia (though he didn't exhibit any symptoms until then), so I'm guessing it was a trigger.
Tyranith ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 03:18:19 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
If she had a history of mental illness and no history of substance abuse I'm going to put my money on a psychotic episode.
d3vkit ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:19:16 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Turns out he was just Heroin Bob.
Mattgoodson ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:08:19 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I know a guy with Schizophrenia (a minor case) and he took LSD once. Said it made him feel more normal than ever....
234234foloo ยท 33 points ยท Posted at 18:15:44 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I guess it'd depend on wether or not the LSD breaks down in the body after the person died. That could very well change the detectability to much longer than 4 days - but I really have no knowledge about that one.
Vark675 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 21:09:48 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Given how much faster a body decays in water though, after two weeks I think her various...bits would be too diluted to accurately test anything anymore.
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Vark675 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:23:45 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Supposedly, one of my relatives was staying there for the night a day or two before the body was discovered, and wouldn't drink the tap because it smelled weird.
But then supposedly this particular relative a lot of stuff, so.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:28:00 on December 16, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I'm gonna take ya to my room and fuck somebody!
Jespectacular ยท 56 points ยท Posted at 20:02:58 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)*
She was also bipolar and 21. More serious mental illness like paranoid schizophrenia starts to manifest around this age. I recently read that she had some strange tumblr posts towards the end of her life. One was a reference to a zombie survival guide stating if you're ever in danger in a building, escape to the top and make your way out through the buildings water pipes....
edit: source - best I can do at the moment, will try and deliver more.
thenepenthe ยท 36 points ยท Posted at 22:00:45 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
source?
NotReallyEthicalLOL ยท 50 points ยท Posted at 22:25:51 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Seriously, you can't say shit like this without a source
cheese_incarnate ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:31:02 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
http://nouvelle-nouveau.tumblr.com/
This is the link to her tumblr. I don't have verification, but I've read into it on multiple forums and it is always linked to this same page.
Definitely don't see/remember anything about a zombie survival guide, but I didn't read every single post of hers.
I'm trying to find her Twitter. There was a post right before she died about military invisibility cloaks, which some people thought was odd, but nothing blatantly wild otherwise.
Depressio111117 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 01:21:51 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
...why is there a post from four days ago?
cheese_incarnate ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:32:54 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
It is possible that the notion that it is hers has just become a popular misconception on the interwebs, or that someone is adding to it.
http://thecomingcrisis.blogspot.com/2013/03/the-invisble-hand-of-elisa-lam-still.html
Emelius ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:15:28 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Apparently she managed to get into the water tank, avoid any alarm systems that are set in place, and then close the lid without any help. I don't know how being bipolar can help with that.
norternp ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 01:35:28 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
It was a shitty hotel. They may have discovered the body, fixed the alarm, then calle the police, in order to avoid liability for her death.
crimdelacrim ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:11:05 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
A source for this would be pretty awesome but if nobody can find it, that's ok too I guess.
DuckSpeaker_ ยท 27 points ยท Posted at 18:54:27 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
The thing is the water tank's lid was closed, and there is an alarm system on the roof access. Fucking creepy.
AquaQuartz ยท 25 points ยท Posted at 19:19:31 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
To be fair, a lot of buildings' alarm systems are turned off, or the guards cold have ignored it and assumed someone had just exited through a fire door or something.
SmokeyUnicycle ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 21:43:30 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
You don't believe that do you Scully?
AquaQuartz ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 21:49:16 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
It seems more likely than "It was a ghost!!!"
Zaboomafuckit ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 19:28:36 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Why would a rooftop alarm system be disabled?
[deleted] ยท 36 points ยท Posted at 19:38:30 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Because guards want to smoke and don't expect anyone to actually sneak up there.
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mightysprout ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 20:35:50 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
The tanks actually have a small hatch on top that can be lifted up. If she fell in, it would be difficult indeed to close the hatch.
jwheelinator ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 21:09:13 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
But if a guard saw that the hatch was open, it's likely they would have closed it without checking for dead bodies first
mightysprout ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:41:13 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Very true. I can't imagine her state of mind to willingly climb into a water tank and I still wonder if it was investigated thoroughly. It just seems like an unlikely suicide.
Madrazo ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:24:06 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
And if asked about it later, he probably wouldn't mention it to avoid suspicion/being a suspect. Same with leaving the roof access alarm system off. Although this story seems very creepy, I can definitely see a plausible scenario for how it happened.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:57:17 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Are you saying the lid could only have been locked shut from the outside? I had assumed she fell in and the hatch fell shut (but not locked), but she either couldn't reach the hatch and exhausted/drowned after a while, or perhaps hit her head, got disoriented etc and drowned right away.
AquaQuartz ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:48:03 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Negligence, laziness, etc. I know I have walked out of building fire doors before, and seen others do it, and no alarm went off. It's definitely possible.
theoneandlonely1 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 22:05:11 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Because this is a shitty hotel, by skidrow with lots of drug attics turning on the alarm daily,when they go up there to smoke, thus they just turned it of not to be bothered by it. My theory.
TheDroopy ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:35:28 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
To quote the last video on the page, "that or you can use the fire escape"
ohgodthezombies ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:36:52 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not too sure about the tank(I don;t know how easy it is to open them or maybe the maitanence guy was careless), but she could have just as easily climbed up the fire escape out of an unlocked window. She reportedly talked about some mental illnesses she had on her blog. Her odd behavior reflects a 'manic' episode. If she really was running for someone, she wouldn't switched from nervous and paranoid behavior to playful and just odd(i.e the arms movements) so suddenly.
Very strange, but explainable.
Hiphoppington ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:22:45 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I want to say I heard that water breaks down LSD in another thread too. You may be onto something.
kittypoocaca ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 20:16:21 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
what's creepy is that they really can't figure out how she got in the water thingy. i was locked, had sensors on it and the opening to get into it was so small they had to cut the thing apart to get her out of it.
BitchWidget ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:34:27 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I just wonder if some shoved her in it after she died. Maybe she was partying (no one woulda believed me if I told them my best friend did drugs in high school, but she did. Elisa may have as well.) She passes out? Dies? And is stuffed into the water tank after because her "friend" wants no part of it. Soaking in water for weeks dilutes any drug positives in her testing. Just an idea.
BitchWidget ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:37:28 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Also, there doesn't seem to be any reports of evidence where she tried to get out. I would think that if she was alive or conscious at all, at some point she would have fought pretty hard to get out. Scratches and dents? Evidence of a struggle?
islandofatlas ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 22:42:55 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
And the elevator didn't close at all. Anyone else think that's creepy?
[deleted] ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 20:10:49 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
It definitely seems like she was on acid. Like you mentioned, it doesn't stay in your system long, and I know whenever I take acid or shrooms or anything of the sort it's super easy to get paranoid and I love to explore things.
Also, since the article talked about how she wasn't much for drugs and alcohol, there is a decent chance that she might have been slipped or taken a hallucinogenic drug unknowingly. Being in a new country, with unfamiliar surroundings, and accidentally tripping balls sounds like a pretty good recipe for some unfortunate events.
And those poor bastards that drank and showered with that water...
bobba1234 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:31:37 on December 16, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Or maybe, you know, just maybe, a psychotic episode as many reports have indicated she may have suffered from mental illness.
[deleted] ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 18:53:29 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I think you're spot on here. This behavior is exactly like someone who is really high. It was creepy at first until I realized that I've seen people like this before - they were high on acid. Poor girl.
flybynightlord ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:05:39 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
She looked like she was suffering a psychotic break more than anything to me. The symptoms of tripping and psychosis are similar because in both you are losing touch with reality.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:00:43 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
That's a perfectly rational explanation. The creepy thing to me is that the doors wouldn't close until after she completely walked away.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:55:34 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
There's an LD50 for everything, including water, so I'm sure you could OD on LSD if you really, really wanted to. Now, the LD50 for LSD has never been determined, but it's up there waiting to be found by some lucky contestant...
dropbhombsnotbombs ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:02:52 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
That would be quite the experience...
iamnull ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:22:36 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
According to Erowid, there has been one death attributed to LSD overdose. 320,000 micrograms given intravenously. In other words, about 2500 times larger than a recreational dose.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:58:50 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Even if you didn't die... wouldn't your brain be permanently fried?
jessticless ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 21:56:17 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Nah maaan, that's just what the government wants you to think
AngryPanty ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 20:42:06 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I'd just like to point out that it's impossible to fatally overdose on beta-carotene, so not everything.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:18:48 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Are you sure about that? It has a LD50 for mice, rats, and rabbits, so I'd bet the farm there's one lurking up there for humans.
Source
drinking4life ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:59:08 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
There's an overdose for everything.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:27:42 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I was actually thinking Ambien myself. Ambien makes you do mindless, stupid, zombie shit.
BitchWidget ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:43:51 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
My mom was found in the driveway with her keys getting ready to drive the car at 3 am. That's a nope for Ambien.
tetratomic ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:34:03 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
If you take too much of certain other sleeping pills, or have an unknown sensitivity, it would basically put you into a dream-like hallucugenic state where you see and hear things and people that aren't there. And like a dream, your reality testing mechanism is suppressed, you totally believe you're sitting there having a conversation with your dead father while spiders and scorpions slowly fill the room.
BitchWidget ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:10:49 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I thought the same thing, and that this was some sort of adult hide and seek game, which would explain the way she acts in the elevator and the stupid decision for getting into the water hold. The odd part is the elevator door. Unless she pushed some sort of hold button.
SingularityCentral ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:45:58 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
LSD is only detectable up to four days after use with a drug test of a LIVING person. A postmortem toxicology screen would pretty much reveal all substances she had in her body at the time of death. A DEAD body does not metabolize substances and excrete them, thus even 2 weeks later the screen would have revealed if she was, at the instant of her death, high on any substance, and it did not.
AnEminem ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 19:20:38 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Can confirm, LSD is awesome
BitchWidget ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:11:40 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I agree.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:53:38 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
After watching the video I wondered what she was doing with her hands after she had flung them around it all most looked like she was trying to say something in sign language.
dljens ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:20:05 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Almost all sign language takes place in a box from the waist to head and between the shoulders. Very few signs expand past that area.
Rvish ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:09:55 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Serious question: is that because positioning of the hands matters as much as the motions, or is it just a standardization thing? I know some of it entails gesturing at a specific body parts, but I'm wondering if someone could 'yell' over a crowd by signing above their heads or something to that effect.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:08:25 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Hand position does indeed matter as much as the motions.
Source: 2 years of ASL in high school, 3 semesters in college.
dljens ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:54:04 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Some signs involve parts of the body (for example, "shirt" involves grabbing your shirt at the shoulder, or pretending to if you're not wearing one). Other signs that only involve the hands could be done above the head, but the main/original reason is because that's where the hands naturally are when having a conversation. Even in sign language, you're expected to maintain relatively consistent eye contact, which would be hard if signs weren't in the immediate periphery.
itsthematrixdood ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:52:42 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I was thinking the sane exact thing. The way she holds her hands out when she is walking is the way people hold their hands out balance themselves when under the influence of SOMETHING. The way she is walking about, the way she is looking at her hands move...it all points out to her tripping balls.
Like you I say LSD is amazing. Stuff like this is extremely rare. Rule of thumb for non experienced users...always have someone with you.
Bewarethejabberwocky ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:10:56 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
The only thing that is learned today was that the most voted thing I have posted is creepy
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:50:42 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Actually there's one reported death directly related to LSD and it was a guy injecting the equivalent of 1000 sheets (100 hits/sheet) directly into his blood stream.
S1llyB3ar ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:51:50 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I looked into this matter. The autopsy syas she had no drugs in her system and that the water tank she got into was behind 2 locked doors with alarms and they were not set off
Ramv36 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:54:48 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
And in her attempts to get out, she managed to lock the water tank she was in from the outside?
Cryptophagist ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:10:47 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Someone could have came by the tank and relocked it noticing it wasn't locked?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:00:17 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I wonder if she took something intentionally, or was secretly dosed by a stranger? Creepy.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:16:59 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I'm with you until she falls in the water tank...but who closed the lid of the tank?
Cryptophagist ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:19:06 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Some worker that noticed it open when shifts got changed? People get pretty routine in their job actions. You never know if someone just wasn't paying attention and closed it. She could have gotten in there when someone was doing work on it near a shift change.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:36:57 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Is a roof-top water tank something that is checked often? I dunno, I guess your explanation could work. Still creepy that we'll never know for sure.
immortaltechgeek ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:18:18 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
It would still be present in her blood because she died. The reason it gets out of your system is by peeing and sweating. If she was on drugs it would've been in the autopsy.
Cryptophagist ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:23:08 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I've seen too many autopsies done wrong and things being over looked not to rule that out. 2 weeks of decomposition in water isn't really a great autopsy. Who knows how long she was in there before she died also.
Shane_the_P ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:24:53 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I agree with the "in water part" but I think the only detectable for up to 4 days thing is assuming your body is alive to process the drug from your system. I would presume that if you took acid and died, it would be in your blood for a long time while your heart wasn't pumping.
Gr33n_Death ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:27:08 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
TINcubes ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:33:07 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
There were some creepy videos found on this dudes blog. Hes staying at the same hotel, has some creepy videos up of girls in bondage blah blah, which led to people believing the guy killed her, gave out some hints, then started deletin that shit asap. Iiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiicantfindittho
Cryptophagist ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:37:58 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
You never know, that could be it. I seriously think this women is on a hallucinogen though. Maybe he drugged her?
davomyster ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:41:36 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
The 4 day figure you mention is for a live person whose body is metabolizing the chemical. I think those metabolic processes would halt once the person dies. I'm no expert though and we're talking about a drug that is dosed in micrograms
Ayeleex ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:02:33 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
There is a dose that can kill you with LSD, but thankfully it'd cost you around $10,000 to even get that much
MrStealYourCat ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:07:47 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
i don't see why she'd climb inside a water tank at all, you know? drugs aside.
Smooth_McDouglette ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:02:51 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Immediately what I thought upon seeing her.
spiritguidelsd ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:18:27 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
YOU NEED TO CHECK YOUR SOURCES. THERE IS AN LD50 FOR LSD. YOU CAN ABSOLUTELY TAKE TOO MUCH AND OVERDOSE. too serious of a trip to not take a towel, brospastic.
source: science (46 micrograms/kg ((ish)) in mice for example) and personal experience with near ld50 levels of lsd and spirit guide.
wellexcusemiprincess ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:54:31 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
| there is no reasonable overdose for LSD, you'd have to take so much that it hasn't even been given an overdose standard yet.
Uh...
that's simply not true. LSD has an LD50 like everything else. http://researchlsd.blogspot.com/2009/11/ld50-lethal-dose-50.html
what is true is that the amount of lsd you would have to ingest is extrodinary and unlikely to fall into just anybody's hands - that amount would cost several hundred if not 1k+ dollars.
joggle1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:10:37 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
That still wouldn't explain why the elevator doors wouldn't shut. It appeared that she really did hit the buttons, because a while after she left it eventually started stopping at each floor. Even if she didn't hit a button, the doors should have closed automatically. That was the strangest thing of the entire video to me.
ridesbikes ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:26:20 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
BUT WHY DID THE ELEVATOR STAY OPEN???
thornff ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:09:34 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Autopsy revealed no drugs in her system :/
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:24:19 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
The behavior is that of someone that is under an influence, but the rotation is stretching human limitations. That, and the elevator door never closed. Why? Seriously, of all the things that creeped me out the most, it was that damned door.
electricmink ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:35:04 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Alternatively, she may have been mentally ill - early twenties is peak time for schizophrenia, for instance, to manifest, and an episode can lead to behaviors similar to what we see in the video (or worse).
TH0RSDEMON ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:20:00 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
But how she close the thing from inside and lock it.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:35:00 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah but you see those condtions apply under living, metabolizing conditions. If she died with drugs in her blood, they would have found it. Chemicals can't magically disappear. In my opinion she might have been a border line schizophrenic and was hiding her symptoms because she was ashamed and on her trip she had a very bad episode.
bobba1234 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:35:03 on December 16, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
If you've read the sources for this case, you would've known that she suffered from mental illnesses so this is more likely caused by a psychotic episode.
kesiman ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:05:33 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Did you guys read the article?
"Seeing the surveillance footage, most people would conclude that she was under the influence of drugs. However, Elisa did not have a history of drug use and her autopsy concluded that no drugs were involved. When one looks at the context and the circumstances of this death, things become even more mysterious."
rebelcanuck ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:55:52 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
To be fair, if she had done LSD before she probably would know how to handle it. This is exactly the type of thing you'd expect from someone who takes it for the first time and has no idea what they're doing. And it has been questioned whether they would even be able to tell after sitting in water for weeks. The water tank thing is definitely a mystery though. I think someone at the hotel definitely has something to hide.
Cryptophagist ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:12:12 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)*
Yeah but we know how long she was in there for, 2 weeks. LSD doesn't stay in your system very long and its hard to test either way. She could have been alive for days afterwards and just couldn't get out. Like I said even a blood test only stays in there for 4 days. Water and decomposition could have easily diluted it enough to not get a reading on it.
bobba1234 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:28:45 on December 16, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I love how everyone in this thread keeps saying "LSD"! when many reports keep saying she had a history of mental illness and depression especially evident in her blog posts. So most likely psychotic episode.
Swoopily ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:18:01 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
You'd make a lot of those moves if you were trying to get the elevator working again.
Well, some people would.
OcarinaBigBoiLink ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 22:15:20 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Or just don't take LSD at all.
Rathum ยท 67 points ยท Posted at 17:26:27 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
IIRC that video is slowed down so it's looks weirder than it is.
PervertedOldMan ยท 23 points ยท Posted at 17:43:03 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I saw the normal speed video... actually it made it creeper because she moves in an unnatural frantic pace.
[deleted] ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 18:50:16 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
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zeroable ยท 27 points ยท Posted at 19:19:33 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Here's a version I found.
PervertedOldMan ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:58:37 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Yep, that's the one I was talking about.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:14:06 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
They look like they bend below the wrist. IDK fuck this story though. I am out of this thread.
BitchWidget ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 21:14:40 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
It's also been chopped at least twice.
PervertedOldMan ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:45:07 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I'm going to suggest that it's not the unseen forces of evil but that the camera is set up so it only records when it detects movement to save hard-drive/tape space.
BitchWidget ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:01:36 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I never thought it was unseen forces of evil, only that someone had done a few edits. But you have an excellent point. I find nothing paranormal about this. I just find the story fascinating.
[deleted] ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 18:00:11 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
As someone who has taken a lot of drugs, it looks a lot like she's really high. I wouldn't hold the autopsy of a weeks decayed corpse as solid evidence, as many drugs will only stay in your system for a short time. My best guess is that after the elevator didn't work she figured the next best idea was to climb a ladder on the side of the building, and finding the doors to the roof locked she found her way into a tank and couldn't get out.
MrsSrfrdude1988 ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 19:08:21 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I can believe that she was on LSD, but how the hell did she get into a water tank, that several fire fighters had to saw a hole to get into it, especially if she was on LSD? I can hardly flip on a light switch or open a door with a door handle when I'm tripping really hard, let alone this shit. Also, how do drugs leave your system if you are dead? Wouldn't your body need to be functioning to move the drugs out of your system? Maybe soaking in water had something to do with it, I don't know.
Jetboy01 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:03:43 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I'd guess someone tripping on LSD and trying to find their way inside a building doesn't care so much for health and safety. Whereas a team of firefighters trying to remove a corpse from a water tank probably don't want to squeeze through a tiny hole to haul a body out... The fact they cut a hole to remove the corpse was probably more for convenience and/or safety. I'm not ready to jump to the conclusion that she somehow materialized in a sealed water tank.
As for the drugs, LSD dissolves very easily, so anything she may have had on her person would be undetectable. Unfortunately I have no idea how detectable it is in a blood test of someone who has been submerged for two weeks.
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 18:29:44 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Drugs wouldn't leave a dead corpse like that. The substance gets converted within the body and is processed out of the body. If she was tripping on acid some of it should have been detectable. May be not in the quantity necessary to say conclusively she was on a drug though.
SpudOfDoom ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:15:51 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
If you've been decomposing submerged in water there's very little value to be gained from a blood test at that point. It will be contaminated and dilluted.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:14:05 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:03:01 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Malfunction? It's really not that uncommon for elevators.
SirKadian ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 21:42:58 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Her arm movements look "choreiform" or a sort of tardive-dystonic movement (video of tardive dystonic movement). Some of these symptoms could be due to psychiatric medication side effect (is it known if she had any psych issues?) or even some illicit drugs like cocaine or MDMA.
mightysprout ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:18:13 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
She was bipolar, took medications, and was noticeably manic at a nearby bookstore the day before she went missing.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:27:25 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:41:18 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
she got the moves like jagger
lospantaloonz ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:37:18 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
first time i've seen that, absolutely creepy
drparker ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:30:29 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
it creeped me out too until i just started pretending she was the dad from step-brothers just trying to be a t-rex
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:07:01 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah fuck that. I'm sitting here watching this video by myself on mobile and I still said out loud "eeeugh what the fuck"
Faiakishi ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:45:25 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
There have been a few times after watching that video for the first time where I'm trying to fall asleep and that video pops into my mind...
Nope. Wide awake.
It's something about her hands. It doesn't look human. I've seen people tripping balls before, and none of them have ever truly creeped me out like that.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:56:45 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
i've dropped acid, done shrooms, and a few different synthesized psychedelics. i have never seen, experienced, or done anything like that. if myself or anyone i've ever tripped with have moved our hands through the air because of trails, it never ever looked like that
Faiakishi ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 20:27:49 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I think part of it's how spread out her hands look. Granted, most people don't flex their hands like that just when they're talking to people, but it looks like her fingers are extending beyond what's normal for humans to flex. And then later it looks like she's trying to twist her fingers, break them or something.
Her behavior does seem to mirror the behavior of someone completely fucked up on some sort of drug, but there's just something...eerie about it.
sealedlion ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:36:32 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I probably would have been too had I not been listening to Outkast. That way she's just getting funky.
r2002 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:36:36 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
When I read about the arm movement in the article, I decided I don't want to watch the video. I don't think I want a memory of this as I walk down dark hallways tonight. :/
RavenousPonies ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 19:20:58 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Its not 'inhuman', it looks like she's arguing with someone and moving her hands weirdly because she is tensed up from stress. She was probably running from someone who she was in a 'fight' with and then when she had to confront them because the elevator wasn't working, she got tensed up from the anger and not wanting to burst out in a public place.
r2002 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:39:35 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Ah thanks. I thought it was some Exorcist style "inhuman" movements. Sadly, I started watching season 2 of American Horror Stories tonight. Goodbye sleep!
saucyalternative ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:06:37 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
A really good/bad first trip?
RavenousPonies ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:12:17 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Agreed but I think she's just arguing with someone.
nemaihne ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:54:17 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Actually, it looks like she's loosening and stretching her wrists- particularly her left one when she has the left arm up against her chest. I do that exact movement all the time because I mouse left.
is_that_your_mom ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:38:44 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I think it is because she isn't wearing glasses in the video. She may have been very handicapped without her glasses. Imagine her terror... poor thing being chased without glasses on. Stalked like pretty until she found her way to the roof top where they killed her.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:28:41 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
People with stereotyped behaviors do this kind of thing all the time. It's a type of self-stimulatory behavior you see often in people with autism or mental disorders.
plastikspoon1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:49:49 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
It just looks like someone stretching their hands
wants_a_lollipop ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:02:22 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Am I the only one not weirded out by a girl talking with her hands a bit? And the waving her hands was probably related to her wondering why the door wouldn't close. I dunno. Seems like a straightforward thing to me. Elevator not working...pop in and out to see if it's just slow...wave your hand between to see if there's some sort of sensor...someone down the hall asks about the elevator....fuck it, just take the stairs....oh, whoa, this goes to the roof?....oh, whoa check out this water tank....oh, shit, i just fell in....
Appiedash ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:01:45 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Looks kinda like she is swiping for a wire or something to see if its blocking the door, then she hurts her wrist and fumbles with it.
obscure_sample_group ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:09:19 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Honestly? This could be me, when I am in a really good mood and think, nobody's watching me. I wouldn't press all the elevator-buttons, but the movements could easily be mine, dancing to to some music that is only in my mind or trying out some move, that is meant to be done with an instrument of some kind.
I see that the moves are strange, but I think a good part of it is the reader being primed to think about supernatural stuff.
politecreeper ยท 839 points ยท Posted at 16:33:45 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Jesus Christ no.
InternetFree ยท 441 points ยท Posted at 17:12:08 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
My girlfriend once remarked that the water in our hotel tasted like death.
She might have actually been right...
Gh0stw0lf ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 18:49:59 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Were you guys drinking out of the tap?
InternetFree ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 03:11:28 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
In Austria tap water is usually better than any bottled water.
If you go to a restaurant you ask fur juice stretched with tap water. It's cheaper AND healthier.
Delfishie ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:47:27 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
fur juice?
Delicious!
randompoop ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 21:23:30 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Are you not supposed to?
GreatName ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 21:39:50 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
At home - sure. At a hotel or restaurant? You're taking a chance my friend.
randompoop ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 21:47:05 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Is this common knowledge? I've been drinking from hotel taps my whole life
jugalator ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 00:36:42 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I do it in my own country (Sweden), but never in random European countries. That's sometimes OK to do, sometimes not and often assumed that you "know it" in that case.
[deleted] ยท -15 points ยท Posted at 22:00:03 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I find this incredibly sad.
SunshineCat ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:19:51 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I can't drink water at restaurants?
pretzelzetzel ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:29:02 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Am I the only person who would never even consider drinking tap water at a hotel? What the fuck is wrong with everyone? That's the most fucked-up thing here.
jessica_bunny ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:00:20 on December 17, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Late to this thread but noticed this in the linked article as well...
Who would drink tap water especially when it comes out of the tap black!?
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:28:50 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
เฒ _เฒ
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 20:30:53 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
The news story says the patrons complained o flow water pressure. Seems that website was doing a lot of editorializing.
Pisslazer ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 18:04:18 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
This aspect of the story takes it to a whole different level of disturbing.
OldWolf2 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:19:36 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Any place with a water tank (including any houses that aren't on a mains water supply; town water reservoirs and water towers etc.) usually has the tank full of dead rats and pigeons and other such stuff. That's why they chlorinate the town supply.
mx3o ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:56:58 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Pretty sure I read a story on /r/nosleep where someone did the same awhile ago
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:49:57 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
This is my worst nightmare. When I was younger, there was a pretty big news about a boy drowning in the city pipeline and the city had a hard time finding the body for a while so some residents started getting hair and skin cells in their water supply. Ever since then, this has been my worst nightmare. I can't.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:09:32 on December 16, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
That might make sense, but hotels don't get water from the water tank..water tanks on the tops of buildings are used to store pressure for the pipes. It would be like you drinking water out of a straw and, as your sucking it, your lungs start bleeding so you complain that the water tastes weird
GilaGone ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:01:05 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Also they have no idea how she got into the tank as the opening was too small for her to fit into. They had t o saw open a hole to fit her body through.
flacflac ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 20:22:52 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Well after 2 weeks a body in water is probably shaped nothing like the alive human it was before.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 01:18:43 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Yea I'm pretty sure 1-2 week old lifeless bodies become bloated and heavy
guitardude44 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:16:45 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Somebody must have given her access to the rooftop and if they did why didn't they ever notice she never came back down?
digitalmofo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:56:20 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
This wasn't long ago. This damn year, I think.
Tridian ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:10:03 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Ew. Ew. Ew. Ew. Ew. Ew.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 00:39:43 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I too have watched Dark Water ;p
flipn0tic ยท 38 points ยท Posted at 17:00:21 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
The weird hand waves are the most unsettling part.
iSmite ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 21:35:30 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
i personally don't like watching scary movies for this particular reason. They really creep me out and it renders me in a state of uneasiness.
Chucklebuck ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:55:57 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Isn't that the point of scary movies?
JaguarJo ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:38:55 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe it's just me, but I thought it looked like she might've been singing to herself and just dancing weird or something. I wasn't creeped out at all.
aprildh08 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:50:22 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
All that looked like to me was her thinking there might be some sensor for the elevator, kind of like an automatic door or something, and trying to trip it to make the elevator work.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:22:40 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I've worked with handicapped people in the past and that's a very common way of moving your arms for someone with cerebral palsy.
[deleted] ยท 84 points ยท Posted at 16:15:19 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Same. I thought it looked like she was on drug or was drugged by someone and either had a bad trip or was being chased..
[deleted] ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 22:34:20 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I used to be a bar manager and I agree with you, looks like speed and/or lsd to me. shes got the paranoid actions of someone coming down from speed. Obviously shes hallucinating wildly, and if shes tripping, its possible shes missed any regular prescribed meds and suffering side effects from those.
dtura ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:45:01 on December 18, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I agree with you. They said that they found no drugs in her system, but LSD would have been destroyed by the chlorinated water after two weeks. And I can easily imagine having a terrible trip alone in the hallways of a massive,strange, apparently extremely seedy hotel in downtown LA.
BitchWidget ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:26:10 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I was thinking some sort of hide and seek game. She does seem to be looking out for some one.
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 22:04:27 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
...Except how they find the woman dead in the hotel's water tank on the roof later. Either she was mentally unstable, on drugs, or someone killed her.
BitchWidget ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:41:07 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Oh, I agree. I think it's whoever she is playing hide and seek with that is involved later.
jonphish ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:12:41 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
dosed for sure
MaxAttax95 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:40:24 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
it would make a lot more sense if she had been tripping balls
omygodcats ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 09:56:37 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I thought that too until I saw that the elevator had a mind of its own. That's the part I can't explain.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:32:13 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Exactly, one of the most unsettling parts for me was how the doors finally close when she leaves o_o
criti_biti ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 10:21:52 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
The most probable situation in my mind is that she had a drink spiked or got dosed with something in a date rape sort of situation, but had an opportunity to get out and so she did. Explains both the odd movements and looking out for someone.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:32:40 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Precisely
[deleted] ยท -8 points ยท Posted at 19:23:55 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 19:24:58 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I wasn't making a factual statement, I was giving my opinion on what I thought something I saw in a video on the internet once looked like. But thanks
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 19:57:13 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 19:59:49 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
But, you started the conversation by saying none of her behaviour shows that shes being followed. Didn't sound like you wanted to talk
RubyNooby ยท 121 points ยท Posted at 16:11:05 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I feel like I shouldn't have watched that...
[deleted] ยท 53 points ยท Posted at 17:39:41 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
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ShesFunnyThatWay ยท 57 points ยท Posted at 18:13:06 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)*
actually, i read a plausible theory on here somewhere... she WAS normal at first and just trying to ride the elevator and leave her floor. then "someone" starts talking (to her? or someone else) and perhaps it is violent and they have retained the elevator by pressing the button (prank?) when she goes inside the elevator and can't see them (then they are standing off when she does her manic back and forth look). they prove to be weird and creep her out. she is unsure how to respond. we see she could possibly be reacting or responding to someone talking to her when she gets out. she might be engaged in a conversation or exchange, we just cannot see.
at that point, she realizes someone is nuts or bent on messing with her using the elevator, and she then tries to get in and away and presses all of the buttons in an effort to make the elevator GO. meanwhile, this person keeps pressing the button in the lobby, which retains the elevator= the doors won't close because the lobby button overrides the carriage, as long as the doors are open.
upon her final exit from the elevator, she acts strangely indeed, but it could very well be pleading with the person to let the elevator go and stop holding it up. she is at wits end. she leaves. the doors close (because the person in the lobby is no longer holding it).
we then see the doors open and close not because it has malfunctioned, but because it is actually going up/down the floors she pressed, and the view is similar as it often is in hotels, opening each into a small lobby or vestibule- although you can see the wall color changes after a couple of floors.
i think her bizarre behavior could absolutely be the result of drugs or mental instability, but it is also very consistent with being harassed, fearful, and victimized (prank or worse).
MyUsernameIs20Digits ยท 23 points ยท Posted at 20:19:22 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Now that you mention it, it makes sense. Someone was holding the button outside of the elevator in the hall, preventing it from closing. She then goes out and confronts him. She comes back annoyed, trying to press any and every button to make the doors close. She goes back out and the person has some sort of weapon or something to threaten her with, right when her stance changes in the video.
Her hands move bizarrely due to a panic situation, she's not really noticing what her hands are doing at this point because she is terrified. Shortly afterwards you can see her hands are closed together and raised, like she is pleading with whoever the person is.
The person then forces her to go with him and they leave, at which point the door open button from the hall has stop being pressed and the door closes.
From here the person likely took her to the roof, where something unknown likely happened. The person then forced her inside the water tank and closed it, sealing her in. Which is how the lid got closed behind her.
From here either she couldn't swim and drowned, or she panicked, flailed, and swam herself to the point where her muscles were physically exhausted and she drown.
Fairbairn ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 22:09:51 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Fuck. That's... not better.
scottisnot ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 22:05:46 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
This is totally possible, more-so than supernatural stuff. Most likely an employee got away with rape/murder and the cops ruled it out as "no foul play".
vassalage ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:57:55 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
That's absolutely terrifying.
LittleRudiger ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 20:44:23 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Well, you would expect to see someone follow her in the direction away from the elevator toward the stairs, but, you don't (since she would've been communicating in the direction to her right, as that's the way she's facing).
But, there's 30 seconds of no one .. but, then again, as someone pointed out, the video has a jump cut at 2:58, so, perhaps something happened there (the person harassing her) followed her at that point. Perhaps a security guard killed her? It would explain the access to the water tank, and that odd cut.
Dash_X ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 21:06:20 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
That person may have known the elevator camera was active, and was staying out of the picture until the door closed. While making her wait there in the hallway.
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 22:14:00 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)*
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scottisnot ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 22:19:56 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Exactly, seems more like foul play. Like where the fuck is her clothes? someone wanted to harass her and now they got away with it due to shitty police work.
Dash_X ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:08:54 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
The only thing that makes me doubt this, is the way she seems to playfully jump out and look around at first. Like she's amusing herself. I feel like if someone was after her, she would appear more afraid. Then again, maybe she thought the person was kidding around at first.
eamus ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:51:17 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I think you might be right about someone pressing the button outside, after she presses the buttons the first time the door did begin to close and immediately opens again which is when she looks outside.
MyUsernameIs20Digits ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:45:27 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Holy crap! I didn't even catch that!
ferrarisnowday ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:18:44 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
That makes a lot of sense. I think it's definitely a possibility.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:49:47 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
And then she goes and kills herself in a tank?
ShesFunnyThatWay ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:11:27 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
i do not think that she killed herself or ended up in that tank of her own free will- my point is that the theory that she is crazy or "out of her mind" per this evidence of strange recorded behavior is not at all proof of mental instability or being under the influence of drugs.
[deleted] ยท 70 points ยท Posted at 15:56:11 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
check these links out.
http://www.mmrp.org/projects/clinical-trials/diagnostics-medical-devices/rapid-antigen-detection.html
http://theextinctionprotocol.wordpress.com/2013/02/27/curious-to-creepy1-cdc-to-dispatch-medical-team-to-los-angeles-to-investiage-tb-outbreak-as-fears-spread/
Just weird.
watt618 ยท 22 points ยท Posted at 17:44:22 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
While I do think that there's more to this case than rational explanation, I would like to say that the fact that they used an ELISA assay is completely coincidental. ELISA stands for enzyme linked immunostaining assay and is a commonly used tool in any scientific environment. ELISAs can be used to test for an endless number of factors, and the LAM specification stands for lipoarabinomannan, a glycolipid associated with TB. While this is a strange coincidence, that is all it is.
dtsdts ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:15:58 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
*immunosorbent
watt618 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:33:41 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Thank you! Phone assumed I wanted to talk about immunohistology haha
[deleted] ยท -8 points ยท Posted at 19:06:23 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
There is no such thing as a coincidence though.
lolmeansilaughed ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 19:11:47 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
There is absolutely no connection at all between ELISA tests and Elisa Lam.
[deleted] ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 20:19:43 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Lam Elisa tests.
[deleted] ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 16:50:07 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
what the fuck.
[deleted] ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 17:52:37 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
theres more WTF in this thread than in most of /r/wtf
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:58:07 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Exactly.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:52:14 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
95% of people won't bother reading both articles to the end, mind just summarizing your point for us?
casso ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:58:08 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
"The main purpose of the proposed project is the development and clinical evaluation of a rapid direct antigen test for diagnosis of pulmonary tuberculosis using an immunochromatographic test format."
I had to use the dictionary for 15 of those words :(
Vark675 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:13:46 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
"The main purpose of the project is to make and test fast Batman-style blood tests to check for TB by checking if their immune system is flipping shit."
I think, I didn't feel motivated enough to highlight "immunochromatographic."
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:57:54 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
WAT THA HELL
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:31:44 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:36:12 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
No idea.
MadAtHubby ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:26:06 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Despite the eeriness of the case, the Los Angeles TB outbreak has no connection to the grizzly homicide, and discovery of the body of 21 year old Canadian tourist Elisa Lam, whose badly decomposed body was discovered in a water tank at the Cecil hotel.
Really? Grizzly? Did I miss the part where she was killed by a bear? Or was it a bear who was killed? Was Elisa Lam a werebear? Inquirers like me want to know.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:03:29 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Did you read the first link properly?
lolmeansilaughed ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:12:32 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
First link is dead.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:14:22 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Working fine for me.
MadAtHubby ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 20:39:57 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Apparently my humour fails to translate. I was being silly regarding the "grizzly" vs "grisly." One's a noun (bear,) the other is a an adjective (gruesome.)
kickinglemons ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:25:00 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
wow that website really hates homeless people
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:24:09 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Are these two linked?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:05:11 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Elisa Lam, Lam Elisa just coincidence surely?
SpudOfDoom ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:19:31 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
It really is a coincidence. ELISA testing is pretty widely used in most immunochemistry arrays, and has been for a long time.
Anzai ยท 263 points ยท Posted at 15:49:13 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
It's a bit creepy, but it's more sad. The girl clearly has something wrong with her and then committed suicide. There's nothing supernatural going on, just a mental illness or psychotic episode.
MyUsernameIs20Digits ยท 74 points ยท Posted at 17:40:35 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Then what was the deal with the elevator not functioning?
RevRound ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 18:05:50 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
It could have just been the elevator glitching out for a bit. I work in a relatively large and modern office building and although most of the time the elevators work fine, I have experienced them glitching out and just doing odd things. Such as showing a down arrow when it arrives but then only goes up, going do to the ground floor they decide to stop on every floor along the way, deciding to just go to the top of the building even though the button wasnt pressed, opening its door and then quickly closing after a second, and just not responding at all when it arrives no matter how many buttons are pushed.
This story is definitely creepy, but the elevator bugging out only seems strange due to the context
ShesFunnyThatWay ยท 26 points ยท Posted at 18:26:21 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
my comment was buried, see this
MyUsernameIs20Digits ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 20:19:04 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Now that you mention it, it makes sense. Someone was holding the button outside of the elevator in the hall, preventing it from closing. She then goes out and confronts him. She comes back annoyed, trying to press any and every button to make the doors close. She goes back out and the person has some sort of weapon or something to threaten her with, right when her stance changes in the video.
Her hands move bizarrely due to a panic situation, she's not really noticing what her hands are doing at this point because she is terrified. Shortly afterwards you can see her hands are closed together and raised, like she is pleading with whoever the person is.
The person then forces her to go with him and they leave, at which point the door open button from the hall has stop being pressed and the door closes.
From here the person likely took her to the roof, where something unknown likely happened. The person then forced her inside the water tank and closed it, sealing her in. Which is how the lid got closed behind her.
From here either she couldn't swim and drowned, or she panicked, flailed, and swam herself to the point where her muscles were physically exhausted and she drown.
jamesbondindrno ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 20:46:05 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
That's way scarier than any ghost shit.
Nacho_Cheesus_Christ ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 00:32:08 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
The hotel was known for having housed various serial killers through the years, but wouldn't there have been any cameras in that hallway?
CockGobblin ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:00:32 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
So I just spent two hours reading all the info on this case, peoples thoughts, opinions, conspiracy stuff...
1) You do bring up some interesting points. Someone holding the button clearly is the best possible answer. Perhaps coaxing her out of the elevator.
2) After reading several conspiracy articles (really lol worthy including cloaking technology, cia agenda, the bible, etc.). A few points are interesting however...
a) She pushes 4-5 buttons when she first enters the elevator. She doesn't just push one (ie. ground floor or her floor), she stays bent over and pushes a bunch of them. She also skips pushing a few (she pushes them vertically from top to bottom, watch the buttons light up). She is seen again pushing the same buttons the second time later in the video - odd behaviour.
b) Several articles talk about a TB breakout on Skidrow (the name of the district the hotel is in) among the homeless, and that there exists a TB test called LAM-ELISE (Lipoarabinomannan (LAM) Enzyme-Linked Immunosorbent Assay (ELISA) in Diagnostics of Childhood Tuberculosis (TB)) [http://clinicaltrials.gov/show/NCT00512330]
This test may have been administrated in Elisa's age rage (it was done in 2007 with participants upto the age of 14; assuming Elisa being in University in 2013 is age 18 or 19) assuming she underwent a test. The LAM-ELISA test is remarked to help detect TB in children, which is difficult to detect.
And she was attending the University of BC which also has a TB research center (Centre for Tuberculosis Research) [http://ctbr.ubc.ca/].
c) The movie 'Dark Water' (2005) [http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0382628/] has some similarities (girl dies in tank of water, people in apartment say water tastes funny, etc.). Now the conspiracy theorists stretch this out a bit to say that the movie could be about the hotel: mother's name is Dahlia, like the Black Dahlia who disappeared in LA and was seen near this hotel. Also they say the daughters name "Cecilia" could indicate the hotels' name "Cecil".
This could beg the question - was this a murder setup by some individual to mock the movie?
Why was Elisa in LA? Was she by herself? Did someone invite her down there with intent to murder her?
3) Where are her clothes? She was naked in the tank.
4) How'd she get into the tank by herself? She'd have to climb up the 10ft tall tank, get in (are the tanks sealed/locked?).
5) She is noted as being Bipolar. If she was on medication and stopped taking it or took other drugs that caused complications with her medication, it could explain a possible episode. (I know a mother of two children who is bipolar and stopped taking her medication, she left the house for 2 weeks and was found by cops in a city 20km away.)
Some interesting stuff none the less. Paranormal - nope.
I-baLL ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:06:18 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Creepy guy approaches her in the hallway. "Want to go to my room" or something like that. She tells him, "No, I'm going back to my room." the guy asks her what floor she's staying on. She doesn't tell him and goes into the elevator and pushes a bunch of buttons so the guy won't know which floor she's going to.
The guy pushes the elevator call buttons. And holds them. The doors won't close. She steps out of the elevator. Sees him doing this. Gets back into the elevator, goes out again. Back in, pushes all of the buttons in hopes of getting the doors to close. Finally she gives up and goes outside of the elevator and stays to the left (note how she came in from the right side before.) She's panicking and arguing with the guy. The guy lets go of the elevator buttons and the doors close. She then ends up dead.
Drowned_In_Spaghetti ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:00:27 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Relevant username.
BitchWidget ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:50:28 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
She doesn't seem scared to me, but more playful. Not saying that the person she was running around with wasn't dangerous.
MyUsernameIs20Digits ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 18:20:46 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I use elevators regularly and never really come across any bugging out, especially like this. Anyone else?
k_pasa ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 18:25:13 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Nope.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:33:24 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Worked at a resort with 5 21 floor towers. The elevators were always breaking down.
cuntallah ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:48:25 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I have. At the hotel I was working at we had an older elevator that was evidently overheating which caused it to act strange such as stopping on each floor and the elevator doors staying open for long periods of time. Or at least that's what the repair guys said the issue was when they came to trouble shoot the issue.
nov7 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:13:04 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Elevators can completely shit the bed, especially if not maintained. My old apartment building would regularly have the elevator decide to just quit and open doors at intermediate floors or just ignore input and idle where it wanted to.
The place was a run down low rent sort of a building that the landlord couldn't be bothered about it seemed. This hotel doesn't sound much better in terms of maintenance budget so it's unsurprising to see an elevator fail to function.
I got pretty strong carrying groceries up all those stairs though.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:15:28 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
There are 10 elevators total in my office (4 in one area, 6 in another) and one of them acts weird on occassion. The doors will close halfway and reopen multiple times without anyone interfering/ hitting buttons until you hold the door close button. It's pretty rare, but it's always the same one.
conflagrate ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:47:27 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Considering that elevators are capable of slicing people apart, isn't that a bit dangerous? You never know what kind of glitch comes next.
cuntRatDickTree ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:54:33 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Back EMF can be detected in the analogue circuitry that actually powers the movement, regardless of any digital functions which are prone to bugging out.
[deleted] ยท 28 points ยท Posted at 18:30:21 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Clicking all of the buttons at once probably isn't the best way to get an elevator to work reliably.
soar ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:57:14 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Having done that a few times when I was younger, none of them stopped working like that. It just visited all the floors, lol.
RageXY ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:39:16 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
But it does make sense if she is panicking, and just trying everything she can to get it to go.
Eiramasil919 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 19:11:06 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Perhaps she needs glasses and along with pressing all the buttons pressed either the 'door hold' button or the emergency stop button.
PervertedOldMan ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 17:47:04 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)*
When the video is sped up to normal speed (the video people usually see is slowed down slightly) it's not a mystery as to why the elevator didn't work. Her constant bobbing in and out kept the doors from closing (standard for elevators with a door sensor that's working). If she had just pressed a button and sat still long enough it would of worked.
EDIT Real? Fake? Looks like he knows what he is doing but I'm not a forensic video specialist. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1YO4QbaNDjI
MyUsernameIs20Digits ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 18:27:53 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
The video is normal speed. The body movement is natural and doesn't appear slowed down. Also there is a timestamp at the bottom which is clearly counting at normal speed.
stordoff ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:55:03 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not sure about the timestamp. It's a blurry mess, so I wouldn't like to give a definite answer one way or the other, but I let the video run for ten seconds according to the timestamp. The YouTube video had actually run for 12 seconds, so it might be slightly sped up (not by a significant amount though).
TheBaphomet ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:06:16 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, an elevator not working. You are right, clearly the only acceptable and rational answer here is that ghosts did it. Give me a fucking break.
charcattack ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:34:08 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
She pushed the 'door open' button?
ProffieThrowaway ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:46:02 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
The elevator in my building at my University works less often than it doesn't. This one might be just as crappy. (Amusingly for my first two years here it didn't even have an elevator certificate in it--though still was safer when I was carrying expensive computer and video equipment than me+expensive technology+stairs!)
stordoff ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:49:44 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I can't guarantee the accuracy, but this video (skip to 4:29 if the link doesn't take you there) suggests that the elevator doesn't respond if you just press a floor button.
Gorgoz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:15:25 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
The elevator in my apartment doesn't do shit all and it's not that old. Anyways, what made the elevator work again was probably someone on another floor calling it.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:50:23 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Most hotels require you key yourself into whichever floor you're staying on with the common floors unlocked. Its possible with whatever state of mind she was in she didnt key herself in to access whichever floor she wanted to go to, or hit every button but the ground floor which would have sent her on her way.
Fealiks ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 19:28:11 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
GHOSTS
scoobs ยท 30 points ยท Posted at 16:16:21 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I agree with your logic, but the question still begs.. "how did she get into the water tank?"
SourDiezel22 ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 18:35:59 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
These water tanks, no less.
highpressuresodium ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 18:55:08 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
are those really the tanks?
SourDiezel22 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 19:00:48 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, they are
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:04:26 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
That roof next to the tanks seems like it might be relatively easy to get to, given the number of people standing on it. Maybe there's a ladder or staircase on the other side?
[deleted] ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 18:56:51 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Don't seem that difficult to access.
innerfirex ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 17:28:24 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
There's also still the question of the elevator not working while she's around
TheloniousPhunk ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:01:47 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
It could easily be the fact she pressed all the buttons and fucked shit up.
innerfirex ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:24:50 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe, i would think it would normally just stop at every floor though. But in an effort to sleep tonight i'll go with system malfunction.
TheloniousPhunk ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:11:32 on December 16, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Normally you are correct. But it's still possible to mess an elevator up that way. Something about overclocking the memory it uses to stop at each floor or something
jmottram08 ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 18:46:36 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
So the whole "mystery" is that an elevator didn't work.
News at 11.
Shit___Taco ยท -6 points ยท Posted at 17:48:21 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
The elevator didn't work when she left. After she walked away the doors kept opening and closing randomly.
[deleted] ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 17:51:19 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
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RansomHostage ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 17:56:09 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, it was.
Shit___Taco ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:02:00 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I thought the second time the door opened it looked like the same floor. The third time it was a different floor.
Anzai ยท 25 points ยท Posted at 16:33:42 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
She climbed in presumably, either on purpose to die, or for some illogical reason that made sense in a schizophrenic head.
[deleted] ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 17:34:37 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
There was supposedly an alarm system and the tank was extremely hard to get to.
webhyperion ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 18:11:27 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)*
The door to the rooftop was locked and had an alarm system, the tanks themselves didn't.
The question is, how did she get to the rooftop without setting of the alarm or more importantly, how did she open a locked door without a key? Wouldn't the employees notice a missing key if she had one?
MooseEater ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 19:36:38 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
The roof was also accessible via fire escape.
mc_thomp ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:45:01 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Door to the rooftop most likely wasn't locked and the alarm system was likely non-existent/not activated/faulty/etc.
You have to understand that these comments are coming from people who work at the hotel and are looking to rid themselves of any liability. My parents used to work in the security industry; about half the security cameras you see are likely non-functional/record on loops of only several hours, doors that access off-limits areas are routinely unlocked, and people have an awful habit of messing around with security systems even if they have been repeatedly advised not to.
obseletevernacular ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:18:42 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Just from my experiences with friends living in a few different big cities, some in LA, rooftops doors are very rarely actually locked. I'd say most of them are rigged up to an alarm somehow, or say they are, and they end of either being propped open by other residents/building workers, or they end up being hooked up to systems that simply aren't on or don't exist.
Obviously, I can't say that this is or isn't the case here for sure, but it's not that unusual to be able to gain access to a rooftop that claims to have an alarm.
filthyridh ยท 26 points ยท Posted at 19:00:10 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
hey, mr hotel owner, could you explain how a crazy person managed to climb into the water tank and drown there to later be digested by your guests?
I assure you that it is a mystery and not a case of gross negligence on our part. Yeah, in fact, uuhhh, we had, umm, alarms, yes, alarms. They were definitely there and working. How come she still climbed in? dunno lol spooky
iSmite ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:33:36 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
i believe that a hotel employee was a part of it somehow, otherwise how could a person reah to the roof without raising any alarm or get into the tank?
filthyridh ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 21:41:20 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
maybe the security in this shithole hotel where serial killers live was not really up to par despite their claims? they say never attribute to malice that which is explained by stupidity. i'll say don't attribute to malice or supernatural forces that which can be explained by a cover up of negligence either.
"there was nobody inside, we checked! must've been a ghost" no, you just didn't do you job properly. "she couldn't have climbed inside the water tank! she's a demon!" no, your security system was rubbish and the tanks weren't properly secured. and your elevator doesn't work.
BitchWidget ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:08:27 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
You, sir, made me chuckle.
[deleted] ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 18:41:16 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I don't buy that she just climbed in on her own.
BitchWidget ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:05:15 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I agree. I think this was a body dump.
Erzsabet ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 01:49:50 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
That doesn't mean that it didn't happen. I was reading about it a while back, and the layout was similar to some video game, iirc, and if she was mentally ill at the time (which many believe to be the case) she may have thought she was in the game. Even her friends said that she was mentally unbalanced at times.
blurpybirdy1929 ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 17:28:28 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
BUT HOW DID SHE CLOSE THE LID??
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:31:32 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
presumably by picking it up and closing it...
merthsoft ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 18:48:00 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Okay Mr. Smartypants, then who was phone?
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:12:08 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Think I might be missing a reference here...
mightysprout ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 20:33:46 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
From inside the tank?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:10:37 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, I really don't see why that's so implausible.
Bcomfortablecreature ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:34:15 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe she was being followed by someone and figured she needed to hide somewhere.
Anzai ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:35:17 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
She seemed paranoid, so she probably thought she was being followed. She kept looking out the lift door as if someone was coming for her. Sadly, I've met plenty of schizophrenics on the street who will happily tell me of all the people who are after them if I am prepared to listen (which I am sometimes, I feel bad for them). But it's frequently a random person nearby that they just point out and attach their paranoia to. It seems like this girl was just scared of her surroundings in general in this footage.
Bcomfortablecreature ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:01:36 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I'd be paranoid too coming from canada to a bad part of town like that.
TheKmac ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:32:13 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Watch the video at 2:28. It looks like there is another person's foot (pointing the other direction) outside the elevator with her.
binksays ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 09:54:09 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
uh murder?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:08:26 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Why wouldn't the door close though?
Anzai ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:23:48 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
The lift malfunctioned briefly because she hit all of the buttons, probably including the button for the floor she was on. So it opened on the floor she was on. She hits things a few times after that as well.
I don't know precisely, obviously, but a lift door not closing isn't particularly strange. I've had a lift do similar things to that myself. The fact that she was acting in a bizarre way when the lift coincidentally did this (after she hit ALL the buttons mind you which could cause problems anyway expecially in an older lift) is why this is noteworthy.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:53:54 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Then why did the elevator not work exclusively when she was around it? I figured she might have just hit the emergency switch or something so I watched very carefully to the end, but if she had initially pressed it at the start of the video she definitely did NOT disengage it by the ending. It takes a good 30 seconds to a minute for the elevator to start working again after she leaves.
Anzai ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:29:56 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Go into an older building and press every button in the elevator at random, then keep hitting them every so often. Some lifts are going to freak out if you do that.
Even if that's not the case, an elevator malfunction is not supernatural.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:51:01 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I actually remember seeing this on the news back when it happened, but they only showed the part where it looks like she's hiding from someone, not the part where she's moving all weird.
The hotel this happened in also has a disturbing history. A famous LA serial killer lived in it for awhile, as well as something else fucked up that I'm forgetting. Anyways, the news made it seem like this was an unsolved murder, but after seeing the full footage it looks like she was either tripping ballsack on some sort of hallucient drug, had some mental issue, or, in the case of people who believe in it, possessed.
Anzai ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:32:54 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
The disturbing history is probably the only reason this footage gained any traction at all. It just gives the story of a girl's suicide that extra twist that keeps people intrigued. Honestly, people acting weird on CCTV? There would be a lot of footage of that worldwide every day. If one of these people dies soon after, and there's a good backstory or coincidental lift door glitch after you hit all the buttons, people will cling to it even more.
emorrow64 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:31:10 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
That was my first thought. I work in a psychiatric hospital. 13 years of experience with schizophrenics. I've seen nearly this exact behavior repeatedly. I'd say psychotic break, schizophrenia, or some form of psychosis. Still very sad.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:37:15 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
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Anzai ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:37:34 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
It may have been a murder, I have no idea. But why would you say she couldn't have committed suicide in the way she did? It wouldn't be difficult to do so.
And no history of mental illness just means no history of mental illness. It doesn't mean you can't have a psychotic break. She was only 21, after all.
Erzsabet ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:50:44 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
The thing that still gives some conspiracy nuts a turn is that there was a TB outbreak nearby, and the test for TB is called LAM-Elisa.
Anzai ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:38:23 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
But what would that even mean? What possible conclusion could you draw from that very minor coincidence?
Erzsabet ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:47:51 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I have no idea. I don't remember what they said about it in /r/conspiracy, let me see if I can find the post...
Oh boy, there are several posts on there. Read at your own risk.
Anzai ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:52:41 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Oh wow. That is some grade A crazy over there. I didn't even know that was a subreddit. Just the fact that it is though implies that all the people there really WANT to find conspiracies.
Some of them were like 'what are the chances that this is a coincidence?'. Well the answer is, really really high. Worldwide media reporting of events and then picking the coincidences out whilst ignoring the millions of things that don't contain coincidences like this? It would be truly bizarre if things like this never happened.
Erzsabet ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:56:47 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah...I try to avoid going there, but it pops up on the top posts sometimes. Sometimes they have legit content, though some of the comments are still crazy.
bizatin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:34:30 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
but why didnt the elevator door close until she left
thats the part that creeps me out the most
Anzai ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:39:24 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Dunno. But it's a lift door and she hit a lot of the buttons and then continued to hit random ones whilst in there. That would be a simpler explanation than 'haunted lift'.
bizatin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:16:06 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
oh i dont think it was haunted, it just feels like what if theres someone outside the elevator holding down the button to keep it from closing? just the idea is so creepy to me, when i watch the vid
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:34:22 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)*
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Anzai ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:45:03 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Directly after she went in an pushed multiple buttons one after the other you mean? So it glitched out for a moment. Then she kept passing in and out of the doorway, activating the sensor. I've been in lifts that have done similar strange things, but nobody cares because I didn't die immediately afterwards.
BurnieTheBrony ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:52:02 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I agree mental illness is more likely, but why did the elevator completely stop working until she left?
Brderhps951 ยท -6 points ยท Posted at 16:15:44 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
She probably was on drugs, there are some drugs that don't even take two weeks to get out of your system.
There are just so many other explanations.
nobledoug ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 17:05:50 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Your body metabolizes drugs which is what takes them out of your system. If you die with a .08 BAC then you would still have the alcohol in your blood until the blood decomposed.
I'm pretty sure that once you die, any drugs that are in your system stay in your system.
webhyperion ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:16:25 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Did the police actually report when she died? Could it have been possible that she was trapped in the tank for a few days and the drugs went out of her body?
Brderhps951 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:28:01 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
That's true, apologies I had smoked some herb when I posted haha.
lukin187250 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 17:04:02 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Bath salts, they may not have even screened for them.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:34:32 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
You can't fool me, ghost.
hornwalker ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:36:35 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
More likely undiagnosed schizophrenia or some similar mental illness.
rustybandit ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:03:04 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
its just another case of, "I read the exact same info as you but I can gleam into the truth and know all from a very tiny sliver of information and the rest of the internet is rubes"
Anzai ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:19:17 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
It's a case of watching a girl on a video where nothing supernatural happens who very soon after was found dead with no sign of struggle. It may not be the precise truth, but there is literally nothing in that film that is unexplainable.
BleedingAssassin ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:24:57 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
But then how come the elevator did not move at all until she left it? Seems pretty supernatural to me.
Anzai ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:27:26 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
As I said in another reply to someone, she did hit ALL the buttons when she got in. That could easily cause a lift to freak out. My lift in an apartment building I stayed in in Bangkok was tempremental like that.
Or it could have malfunctioned coincidentally at the time she was acting strange. It could have even caused her to act even more strangely when it happened as she seems scared and paranoid already. That's not a massive coincidence.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:27:46 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Oh yeah, the elevator not working means it's probably supernatural.
/s
lucielletwo ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 16:51:29 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
What in the fuck? This is super creepy. She was moving in some really fucked up ways. Also, people using and drinking her corpse-water for two weeks is unsettling.
WotWU ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:02:16 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Her movements mirror pretty closely someone on LSD.
McWeaksauce91 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:10:30 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
after getting to 145 in complete silence i had to put something else on all i could hear was my heart pounding against my rib cage
gmiz0 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:26:56 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
This article sounds like a terribly written college essay.
amongthethugs ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:24:14 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Now sufficiently creeped out sitting in my well-lit apartment during the day. Ack.
Nullkid ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:53:24 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
@ 2:58, when the elevator doors close, it seems as if it glitches open, like the video is no constant. I didn't notice this in any other part of the video, so could the video have been tampered with? Or am I crazy?
tupsun ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:11:01 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I opened the link, remembered what it was about, and then I proceeded to alt+f4
Loopy_Duck ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:32:06 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
This is really the creepiest thing. I read some articles and it just seems too weird. A lot of people are saying she was on drugs and just climbed into the water tank. Did you see those things? They're huge and they needed to use the jaws of life to open them. Also, she just walked through the security gates and the alarms on the water tanks never went off? This seems too weird even before the elevator didn't work for some reason.
Gooner4Life07 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:42:42 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Two interesting links: 1) http://tieryas.wordpress.com/2013/05/02/elisa-lam-updates/ apparently some people did there own investigation into it and it was surprisingly easy to access the roof.
2) Apparently she also had a blog (link to the blog in the following article) http://emeraldwynn2.blogspot.com/2013/02/did-elisa-lam-have-second-life-av.html
Suffered from crippling depression but the second link brings up a good point as to maybe she was meeting someone and it did quite turn out to be a person you want to travel alone to meet up with. Both interesting posts with some different views on what happened
i_like_butts_what ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 16:37:24 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
clearly psychosis and or schizophrenia. The reason elevator didn't close was because after certain interval she kept pressing buttons. when enough time was taken and buttons were not pressed, the door closed.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:10:14 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Holy fuck
AidanHU4L ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:32:22 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Theres no way I'm watching that, anyone care to explain it?
DeathByBees ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 17:13:04 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Creepy girl walks into elevator, presses buttons. then stands there in the corner while the doors don't shut. She looks out the door a couple times, and walks out of the elevator a couple times. Comes back in, presses more buttons. Then she goes back out and does a fucking rain dance, and then leaves. Then she dies in the hotel's water tank on the roof shortly after.
aldenso ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 17:24:46 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
It's really not bad at all. I was expecting creepy, what I got was a woman who just seemed mentally unsound - not even to the point of where she would be in an asylum, just in a friendly crazy lady kind of way.
Edit: Explanation - A woman gets on the elevator and pushes all the buttons, it doesn't move, she pokes her head out of the door in a peek-a-boo kind of way, then goes in and out (hehe) and the starts talking to herself, using her hands.
NeedAChainsaw ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:15:51 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, this always creeps me out, she does that funky thing with her arms that just seems to show up in your nightmares.
tbrown1309 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:25:45 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Youre right thats creepy as fuck! Her hand movements are not very human
CelestialFury ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:49:22 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
demonkaos ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:12:35 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I saw this video a couple of months ago and my first instinct tells me that this was a murder committed by an employee(s) of that Hotel. That elevator did not move whatsoever, the murderer knows where the cameras are pointed to so they don't get spotted and her nude body was found in the water tanks...stench of foul play!
MeetJoeBuck ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:22:51 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Thank you Tila Tequila for making this a mystery.
Bewarethejabberwocky ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:28:28 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
You're welcome
Morgan-Explosion ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:26:07 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I walk by this freaking place almost every day...
dopebob ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:26:36 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Ok, out of all these comments, this one creeps me out the most. Damn that's fucking weird.
RadioHitandRun ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:31:39 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Now..When I'm drunk and alone, I screw around and pretend to do things much like she is doing. Mostly I screw around when Nobody is watching, or I think nobody is watching. If you watch the security tape of me at my work place, You'll catch me play sword fighting, play sneaking, or just being a goof out of pure boredom. When I'm drunk or "altered" It gets even crazier. Looking at this video I see no foul play, Just some Asian girl acting all goofy. I think She's either drunk/high/sick, but not Aliens or ghosts.
MeisterX ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:34:07 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Anyone have a mirror for this? Seems to be down.
MeisterX ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:34:07 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Anyone have a mirror for this? Seems to be down.
Funocity ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:35:09 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
They offer no explanation as to why the door, or whatever is outside of the elevator change from dark blue/black to red at the end of the video... anybody?
Eivis ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:10:45 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)*
elevator was changing floors after its buttons were pressed.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:36:02 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Wasn't there a Castle episode exactly likes this?
pacificliving ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:41:22 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Ghaah! I live close by and a few friends of mine who live in a building across the st watched through binoculars as they pulled the body out. A couple other strange details are that there didn't seem like there was much investigation on this after the fact. My friend even put together a sort of public vigil a few doors down from The Cecil w candles and such. It got covered by a local news station but never aired and as soon as everyone went home for the night the hotel got rid of all the photos and candles left. Which really is just more of a dick move than weird.
Sloth859 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:46:54 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
This was pretty popular awhile back. The general consensus is that she was high on something and pushed a "door hold" button that opens the door for an extended period of time. In her elevated state she didn't realize that she pushed that button, or didn't realize what it does, and got freaked out. The drugs made her slightly paranoid. The weird movements are not supernatural just a messed up girl dancing funny. She climbed the fire exit up to the roof bypassing the locked door, and decided to go swimming/skinny dipping. The water tanks are easily accessible from the top but once you're in you can't get out. She got tired and drowned.
HerpsAreNotHerpes ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:54:27 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
My question is, how often does the Cecil's elevator malfunction? If the answer is "not often", this video gains an extra level of creepy-ness.
volleyball10 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:02:45 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I need to stop reading these threads when I'm home alone.
ironlegdave ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:03:55 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Paranoid episode of bipolar disorder. Tragic.
MerelyIndifferent ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:08:27 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Link isn't working, anyone have another?
Bewarethejabberwocky ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:13:14 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
http://fellowshipoftheminds.com/2013/11/30/what-killed-elisa-lam-whose-body-rotted-for-2-weeks-in-a-hotel-water-tank/
MerelyIndifferent ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:41:13 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Wow, yeah she was really fucked up.
-abcd ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:11:11 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
This happened on reddit... her friend posted in /r/losangeles looking for help with a missing person and then this story broke on here. It was pretty shitty.
SoapyLlama ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:20:29 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I am out... night guys!
randomhero828 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:28:20 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
My cousin was good friends with her they even had a few classes tgt.. Said sth abt her having mental stress from school so she went on a small vacay to LA...then this happens.
bears2013 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:28:34 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
the video is just slowed down to make it look creepier. seems like she was tripping balls, which is probably how she ended up in a water tower.
SCMothership ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:29:22 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
One thing I really dislike about this video is it appears to have a cut in it right as the door begins to close. Evidence of some potential trickery? Weird video, still.
Elliot_Morgan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:29:34 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Check that out. When she exits the elevator, and then from the wall turns across the opening of the elevator. She starts talking/speaking like someone is either directly right there next to her or in the elevator she's trying to avoid. They won't leave her alone.
I went back and watched the video again, noticing in this bit. From 1:55 on, while the door closes, and after... the shadow is moving as the elevator goes across the floor.
I went back yet again to look for more, and I found this... it may turn out to be nothing, just the framing of the camera lining up coincidentally/previously used whatever, etc. Here it is, Image.
I saw the ghastly outline of great similarity to a human. I don't know what you think, but that's your business.
Car-Los-Danger ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:42:14 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
That was creepy as hell!! It's 32F in my apartment and I have the chills!! Seriously. Now. I. AM. Scared!
Tury345 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:45:01 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Someone please explain this to me! Freaking me the hell out, I mean yeah, mentally ill and all, but those fucking hands at 2:00 are not human at all, she looks the the bendy lady from the incredibles. Someone quick, tell me it was something wrong with the camera, someone convince me she never stayed within the elevator for long enough for the doors to shut, or something. Please help
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:48:41 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
To me she is acting a lot like someone on bath salts or having a really bad trip.
teenagesadist ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:58:11 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I found it odd that when the doors finally closed, there's a delay between them starting and continuing to close. It skips a few seconds, as the doors go from being fully open to suddenly skipping ahead.
endershadow98 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:21:06 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Has anyone noticed that once the doors close, it loss like there's a face on the camera.
umpire11 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:21:21 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
after hotel guests complained about the waterโs taste and color. OMG....
opiumdelima ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:22:45 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Ever read the book "Dark Water"?
Spacehoes ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:23:13 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Poor girl, I worked with her before she went down to LA, she was really sweet.
Early70sEnt ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:27:47 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
It appears the tape is edited at the 1:57 (youtube)... Notice that the beginning of the first closing of the door is abrupt, not smooth, as in the subsequent closures. It suggests to me frames have been removed or spliced in...
TicTokCroc ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:44:00 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Mentally ill or suicide troll.
mightysprout ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:45:08 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
The sad thing about Elisa Lam's death is that is happened around the same time that all Southern California cops were preoccupied by hunting down Chris Dorner. I don't think Elisa got a fair investigation and I also wonder if they released the video to reinforce their conclusion that she made her way to the roof alone, climbed up to the tank pad, opened one one of the hatches, took off and discarded her clothes, which I believe were never found, jumped into the tank, closed the hatch behind her, and drowned. A cold, dark, lonely death. Very sad.
MrsSprinkles ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:47:05 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Very interesting........
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:50:16 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
weird that she gets in and pushes 4 buttons. 4 floors?
Ticodude ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:05:06 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
The related stories sidebar on that site is hilarious. My favorite is that Monster High is Illuminati propaganda
melodeath31 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:08:58 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
the movie dark water was based on this IIRC
guitardude44 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:12:00 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Weirdest shit. This is my first time hearing about this 'elisa lam', here on this thread..I wander onto other sites after this one and see this article reporting how Tila Tequila believes Paul Walker was murdered or something and she mentions this 'elisa lam' as being a similar case to Paul Walker. Freakin weird coincidences like this freak me out. That's supernatural to me
Link: http://live.huffingtonpost.com/r/archive/segment/tila-tequila-claims-paul-walker-was-murdered/52a740cd78c90a42c3000072
atomictrain ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:15:52 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Commenting because I don't have the balls to watch that video past the 0:34 mark in an empty house.
sophisting_porn ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:16:07 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
People behaving oddly disturbs people. It comforts them to think that a rare, external agent is responsible.
sw_dev ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:23:45 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
This video was obviously edited, three separate times, right about the time that the door closes. Why?
chuckaholic ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:36:14 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Watched this and thought, if I were designing an interface for an elevator, I might include a subroutine to detect when a child was playing in the elevator. When someone gets on an elevator and pushes all the buttons, it's usually a little kid, so I'd program the elevator to sit there with the door open and wait for the kid to exit before resuming normal operation.
eMonstross ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:46:14 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
those hands...
YodaYogurt ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:52:31 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I don't know about everyone else, but I'm convinced she's either having a mental breakdown, or she's on a lot of psychedelics
wishIknewwho ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:11:48 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
CREEEEPY! Some things that I wondered:
If she was just really messed up on substances, which seems likely because of her behavior, they probably wouldn't have been able to tell after she had been decaying for a few weeks.
Why didn't the elevator door even attempt to close? Don't they usually try, then almost bump into their obstacle, then retreat? That's pretty interesting.
Lastly, why is the only glitch in the time clock of the video right before the elevator starts moving again, and why aren't the characters of the clock readable? I wish we could see exactly what time it froze.
philycheezestake ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:13:30 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I don't know if I'll be able to drink tap water ever again...
erviniumd ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:13:41 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Can you put a YouTube link to this? When I click this one all I get is an error message saying that I can't connect to their database.
Medial_temporal_lobe ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:22:11 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
The first thing I thought of when watching this was something akin to a seizure. There are seizures called complex partial seizures where an individual will lose consciousness or awareness of their surroundings but look like they're functioning normally. One example I saw in class was of a lady "pouring" tea for everyone and pretending to drink water. It lasted about a few minutes and it looked quite creepy. It could quite possibly be a few CPSs in a row. There is definitely a "neurological dysfunction" flavour to these movements.
the_hunchback ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:23:00 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I think the explanation was simply that she was tripping really hard. That explains the apparent hallucinations and odd movements. She thinks she is seeing something and perhaps just gets scared. She gives up on the lift (which I think is working fine, but she just kept pressing the hold button or something) and tries to climb up to her room... via the fire escape. She reaches a rooftop, sees another ladder and keeps on climbing. That is how she could have ended up in the water tank, and there's pretty much no chance of her escaping from it. Even if she wasn't off her face she'd still have an exhausting few days/weeks trying to swim in the dark with nothing to hold on to.
slrarp ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:27:29 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Link gives me an error, anyone have a mirror?
AsianPussassin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:43:36 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Anybody else notice how her hair seems to be blown/moved by something when she sticks her head out?!
lannister83 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:43:37 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
those hands!!!
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:44:07 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I don't get it. It just looks like a person who's had a long day getting frustrated about a malfunctioning elevator. It wasn't remotely creepy or mysterious. Am I missing something?
masterbard1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:51:00 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
well it is kind of weird. you can tell she was kind of either hallucinating or had some sort of childish behavior. the jumping and then grabbing her head kind of calls for that of a child or somebody who is having some sort of episode. the part where they say that the lid of the water tank was in place is kind of odd. I can't imagine drinking the water from that hotel. chock full of dead body.
Kayin_Angel ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:59:23 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Uh, do I now have two weeks to solve her death until the same thing happens to me? Is that how that video works?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:59:33 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
The rational explanation here as people have pointed out is that she either was on drugs or just was having mental hallucinations. We could even argue that any trace of drugs would have been lost by the time there was an autopsy.
The thing that gets me though, is that the elevator doors would not close. She waited inside long enough. She stood outside long enough. Even went back in again. It was only after she completely walked away that they closed again.
That's some creepy shit.
talondigital ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:59:41 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
A forensic body language analysis team concluded that she was showing non-verbal signs of sexual interest and arousal. They suggested that she is playing a game with a person she is interested in, sexually.
From that, you could deduce that she was possibly playing a game with a guy, who got her to somehow get to the roof where he killed her and left her body in the water tank. The reports I read about it said that she could not have closed the tank hatch from inside, that it had to have been closed from outside.
ainpyj ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:13:23 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
It's ok, i didn't want to sleep anyway.
Hloden ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:42:09 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Looks like the elevator is locked, like some do during a fire. Her arm movements were probably trying to trigger a motion detector or something. She then probably went looking for another way in, and ended up in the water tank.
zeppelyn ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:44:22 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
What happens at 3:40? When the doors open for the last time, the background outside the elevator is suddenly all red?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:06:46 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Wasn't there a Castle episode sort of like this?
MadraRuaMulder ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:24:08 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
The part with her moving her hands all erratically gave me the creeps for some reason.
DoctorSNAFU ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:26:42 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I think to myself, if I ever became so depressed that I'd want to kill myself, would I want to slip some pills and quietly go in my bed, or do it in a way that would have people talking about me for years to come? Those video cameras are easy to see. Give a little show while your friend keeps pushing the call button outside in the hall, act funny and then head up to the roof and do the deed. It's a sad thought but I see very little supernatural in this.
rainea ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:28:58 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Not this again. Even before I clicked it I knew it was that.
viixxviii ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:43:48 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)*
I was at this hotel a few weeks after this happened and needless to say, it freaked me out being there. The staff was all really nice and accommodating but it still had an eerie vibe about the place. I left pretty quick after I found out about that girl via yelp search on the hotel.
dog_in_the_vent ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:46:59 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I thought the water tanks on top of hotels were for fire fighting, not drinking.
plastikspoon1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:49:31 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Her "Strange hand movements" at 1:57 don't look strange or "unhuman" at all. I mean, they look odd, but a human can easily do that, hell I did it while she was doing it. It looks like she was stretching her hand and fingers first, and then pulled her fingers back in anxiety.
Mynd_Art ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:54:27 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Why the fuck don't the elevator doors shut after she hits all those buttons?!?
kickinglemons ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:57:56 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Not sure how accurate this is, but here is an in-depth analysis of her body language (http://www.bodylanguagesuccess.com/2013/02/nonverbal-communication-analysis-2313.html)
thomasitato ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:00:36 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
If you notice, what looks like the shadow of her pressing the elevator buttons remains after she leaves the elevator and the doors start opening and closing again
m19z95k ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:27:44 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I really don't want to watch this. Anybody care to give me an explanation?
AintGotNoTimeFoThis ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:37:08 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Why the fuck wouldn't the elevator work?
mind-sailor ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:49:33 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
aaaaaand there goes my sleep :(
JohnLeePettimore ยท 213 points ยท Posted at 21:43:16 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Ten Seconds of Light
Story - Luther McCarty, one of the early 20th century "great white hope" fighters, collapsed in the first round of a fight from what appeared to be a very light punch. As the referee counted to ten, light shone in from above on a sunless day and directly onto McCarty's face.The light then went out right at the count of ten. McCarty died eight minutes later.
Coroner reports said that the death was from a hemorrhage, not from the fight. The fight and death isn't in any way eerie or supernatural, but the timing of the photo and the light shining down only for the ten seconds that were counted has always struck me as being as supernatural as any of the other, let's face it, explainable although interesting photos in this thread.
The Ten Seconds of Light photo has always been one of my favorite pictures.
Picture
More Info: Here, Here, Here
Gruntr ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 23:27:03 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
That is eerie. I wonder what the audience was like when that happened.
wintermeido ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 05:19:31 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
This is really cool. Thanks for sharing this.
[deleted] ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 04:42:49 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
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jackcos ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:59:43 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
What is that?
Fragmented663 ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 06:05:42 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Most likely it's one of the fighter's coaches/sweat cleaners, the thing on the ropes is either a towel or an arm.
[deleted] ยท 414 points ยท Posted at 16:46:17 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I'm surprised this video hasn't been mentioned. I don't know the back story or if it's real, but it is convincing. Anyone know more about it?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hUo7B2U3g7g
aquabuddhalovesu ยท 260 points ยท Posted at 19:28:00 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I like how after a few times, he's like "Fuck this, I'm out"
unic0rnPoo_istasty ยท 72 points ยท Posted at 22:33:12 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
He lasted longer than I would've.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:04:43 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I'm sure you say that a lot.
unic0rnPoo_istasty ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 04:20:52 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Well, it wasn't the first time.
pricesb123 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 00:40:08 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
"I don't get paid enough for this shit!"
PamCakers ยท 346 points ยท Posted at 18:29:47 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
This is what I want to do if I become a ghost. Just go around, mildly annoying people.
[deleted] ยท 44 points ยท Posted at 21:49:40 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Hmm, I would call that "mildly scaring the shit out of people."
tetratomic ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:48:08 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
This is what I don't get about the whole ghost thing. If the ghost is supposed to be my spirit, am I a radically changed soul? If I found myself in spiritual form, I wouldn't just go around making curtains move or closing doors, etc.
Same with alien UFOs. They travel hundreds or thousands of light years using advanced technology, don't want to make contact, but then zip around the sky shining lights everywhere?
11711510111411009710 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 00:13:04 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
What about the actual "Battle of Las Angeles"? Creeps me the fuck out.
tetratomic ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:32:21 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
It's an interesting and exciting story, but with no hard evidence, for me that's what it remains. I have no problem with a lack of solid answers either way.
11711510111411009710 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:55:36 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Honestly, I don't believe aliens have visited us. If they had the technology to do so and to easily do so - as they are "shown" to do so quite often - then why would they not attempt to subjugate us? Or uplift us? It would be so easy, we wouldn't be advanced enough to resist. I do, however, believe that extraterrestrials do exist and exist in our galaxy. In such a vast space such as our galaxy or, at the very least, our universe, there has to be intelligent life somewhere out there! However, some alien-contact stories are quite confusing and interesting, which can really make a person question whether they've visited us or not.
aspindler ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:16:13 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
While I'm not defending the aliens theory, they could just want to explore and research.
PamCakers ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:13:52 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I guess it depends on who I would be haunting, but I like to mess with people a little bit now so I can't see that changing too much when I die.
tetratomic ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 08:42:37 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Well, to me the bigger issue would be, that if you can influence physical reality, and by providing specific evidence could confirm what people have wondered about forever (the afterlife), even simple influence could provide some good evidence. For example, morse code.
__1984__ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:19:05 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Who says they haven't made contact? Maybe the aliens stay out of our way as to not affect our development as people or a society.
tetratomic ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 08:40:06 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Burden of proof is on the person making the positive claim.
Didn't you just contradict yourself by stating both "who says they haven't made contact" and "stay out of our way"?
Also... stay out of our way shouldn't include zipping around at night shining lights everywhere.
Duzzy_Funlop ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:59:00 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Untied shoelaces for everybody!
__1984__ ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:17:17 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe the ghost was practicing how to manipulate things, or trying to let the clerk know he wasn't alone.
PamCakers ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:40:05 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
"hmm I wonder if I can move this cart.....HOLY CRAP I DID IT!!! Now to mess up everything this guy just stocked....."
I actually love how the clerk seems to have barely any reaction at first, just walks over to the falling movies like "sigh not this shit again...."
Rhysaralc ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:15:07 on December 16, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe that's all you're allowed to do.
jehull24 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:06:05 on December 16, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I would take furniture and stick it upside down on the ceiling, scribble on mirrors, make weird noises, it would be fun!
PamCakers ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:01:21 on December 17, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
"BRRRAAAAAAAHHHHHHHH"
"oh my god what was that?"
"BRRRRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHH"
"WHO'S MAKING THE INCEPTION NOISE?!"
truth34 ยท 128 points ยท Posted at 20:44:56 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
so this must be the haunted Blockbuster that put Randy Marsh out of business.
TaylorHound ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 21:29:25 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
hahahaha You can be a spooky ghost all you want it wasn't a dumb idea to buy this place
MJ709 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 23:36:39 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Emily? Emily! The war is over! lets go rent a movie from blockbuster! The hounds... the hounds Emily...
TaylorHound ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 00:02:46 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
you know what? Fuck you and Emily!
LittleRudiger ยท 63 points ยท Posted at 21:35:59 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
"Oh, I get it, Blockbuster's so old it's haunted! Fucking pricks." - Randy Marsh
EgweneSedai ยท 67 points ยท Posted at 20:49:12 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I don't know about this case in particular, but I do know this would be very easy to fake.
jishjib22kys ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 00:21:34 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
While watching it, I thought it would be a nice prank. One could put small timed vibration or magnetic devices in the cases, so they'd fall off after 20 seconds of stillness or so. Gotta remember that :D
The moving cart however, didn't work out so well.
InABritishAccent ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 01:13:48 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
hidden motors, strings or some kind of counterweight are all possibilities
Daiwon ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 01:22:35 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
It goes off the bottom of the screen/covers up the lower half of the shelf. It'd be easy to use an unseen stick to push/pull the cart.
_Trilobite_ ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:46:17 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
exactly what I'm thinking. 2 really bored guys who work at Blockbuster go "hey, you know what would be cool? If we made a fake ghost video and freaked a bunch of people out!"
and then they tied string to video cases and pulled them to make it seem like they were falling.
airgun_alex ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 02:13:54 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Hmmm the video quality is higher than what I would expect from a video surveillance system so possibly.
Staxxy ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 05:45:56 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Really ? I work with video-surveillance and this camera looks like it is straight from 1986.
PlNG ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 20:49:44 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Fake? Why would someone working in BlockBuster put the same video on the shelf in two different places? You can see the same DVD case five cases to the right and one shelf up, but I see pairs everywhere else.
Dr__House ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 22:45:06 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Also, the bottom of the cart is not in frame of the video when it is first "pushed".
Vark675 ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 21:48:25 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Not to mention the fact that I remember being afraid to pick up movies to read the back anytime I went to Blockbuster because those fuckers tipped over CONSTANTLY and I didn't want to get stuck there for 10 minutes trying to figure out how to precariously perch it in a way that it would stay put long enough for me to leave the aisle and blame someone else if it falls.
11711510111411009710 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:22:43 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Man I wish my blockbuster - when it was a blockbuster - had ghosts :( though I don't believe in ghosts, I'd still be scared as fuck. Feel bad for the dude who has to stay to clean shit up at night. Puts the movies back on the shelf; closes the door; locks it; movies get knocked over again; sigh; unlock door; put up movies; shut door; lock door; movies fall; continue til 6:00 AM. Quit the next day. Can't pay rent. Wife leaves you and takes the kids. They move to another state, and take half your stuff, including your dog. Lose your house. Homeless now. Start running drugs. Accidentally murder another homeless man in a fight over some moldy bread. Get caught doing crack. Resist arrest. Arrested anyway. Go to jail. Confess to murder. Sentenced to life. Raped every day in the shower for the next forty years.
Ghosts are dicks like that.
TheeHamSandwich ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 00:21:04 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Former Blockbuster manager. The covers falling off the shelves isn't really very uncommon. The covers would often be shrinkwrapped (always if it was VHS) and the seams in the plastic were at the bottom. It made the bottoms slightly uneven and they would tip all the friggin time. Especially if someone did a shitty job with the shrinkwrapping or the DVD case was bent.
Also, how is is the video quality so good for the store security cams? Granted, I was last a mgr back in 2003. The footage was always very low res and low fps. It was hard enough just to confirm that someone shoved movies into their jacket when reviewing those tapes.
nothinnerdy ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 21:35:02 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
How come asshole ghosts are always knocking shit over and not picking things up for people?!
Looks like we might have a ghost... they picked up all my dirty clothes!!!
alphazero924 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 00:06:54 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Well they wouldn't be asshole ghosts if they picked things up for people now would they?
baba56 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:18:20 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I can't stop laughing. That video is HILLARIOUS. I love how it starts with the weird kick of his trolley. Just to creep him out a bit. And the a others the DVDs he looks so freaked out. It almost seems like a prank videos though.
Aqua-Tech ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:48:45 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
There is nothing convincing about that. Seems more like a practical joke than anything else. It could very easily be staged.
Occam's Razor.
EdibleTampons ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:08:35 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I love how it knocks over what looks to be Dora the Explorer. Haha what an awesome Phenomenon
IAMAHungryHippoAMA ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:29:18 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I was really expecting the "ghost" to knock a few cases on the guy's head.
im_a_pop_sensation ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:12:29 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Nothing falls off of shelves out of camera view.
BitchWidget ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:26:00 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Having worked jobs like this in college, that's one shitty ghost.
GentlemannOfLeisure ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:40:29 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
This reminds me too much of the south park haunted Blockbuster episode. The joke being that video stores are so ancient that they're haunted...
imapotato99 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:56:31 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
They must have been Pauly Shore movies
OrphanAnthem ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:07:21 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
its not really convincing everything in the video could easily be people on the other sides of the racks. if there was secondary angles then maybe
cinnaska ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:12:53 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I worked at a Blockbuster and this would happen to me. Not on this scale, but occasionally I'd put a movie on a shelf and if you didn't set it the right way, they'd flip forward. I think it was because the shelves were angled a little funny.
DasBarenJager ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:33:24 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
That is way more convincing to me of the existence of asshole ghosts than any of the dozens of episodes of paranormal investigator/hunter shows my wife has had me sit through.
righteousmoss ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:59:15 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
It would be cool if it was knocking Paranormal Activity off the shelf.
CosmoNought ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:25:40 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
It's really convenient that they all fall in full view and so close to the camera.
Sapphires13 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:17:01 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Looks like maybe the floor is not quite structurally sound. If it's sinking down in the middle for some reason, that pretty much explains the whole thing, down to the dude running from ghosts, but he's really running from being trapped under the floor.
๐๏ธ yzbro ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:58:13 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
That one movie that fell like three times must have been a crappy movie. Ghost was fed up
Scary_Goat ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:10:03 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
This link won't work on my phone, could someone fix it?
eviltrollwizard ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:46:18 on December 16, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Cover part of the screen with your hand when each video falls don't look at the video but look around the other shelves. In a few instances you can see the pixel distortion from the fishing line.
Oznog99 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:40:32 on December 16, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Thermal expansion problems...
n0mdeweb ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:54:22 on December 16, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
lol this video screams "fake"
Can't you tell from the shitty timestamp and the fact that they tried to make it look like it was from some cheap security system by just making high-quality video all black and white?
DarlingtonDude ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:06:56 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
My first job decades ago was Toys R Us. One of the managers in my store worked in California, and swore up and down that when the employees cleaned the store at night and they did the final walk (manager and all employees together) that they would find toys in the middle of the aisle in previously cleaned areas.
He said it was bad enough they just let the stuff until morning because if you put it back on the shelf it would be on the floor again the next day.
TheHeroicOnion ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 00:14:52 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
"Ha ha, I get it, video stores are so old they have ghosts in them"
SpudzMakenzy ยท 2386 points ยท Posted at 15:09:08 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
http://youtu.be/jnjibWcbV2o
One of the most convincing ghost videos I've ever scene is the Disneyland ghost. It's a video of the security monitors after the park was closed and the ghost is caught on multiple angles. The ghost leaves the Haunted Mansion(where else in Disneyland is a ghost gunna hang out?), walks through the closed gate at the entrance of the attraction and continues to walk out over the water surrounding Tom Sawyer's island.
Sergeant_Conley ยท 1635 points ยท Posted at 15:46:52 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Not gonna lie, I muted that video while watching it just in case it was a screamer video.
jack_shephards_pie ยท 1485 points ยท Posted at 16:14:46 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Me too. This is the day and age we live in... Constant fear of screamer videos...
bblazer24 ยท 1545 points ยท Posted at 16:28:21 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Protip: if comments and ratings are disabled, it is probably a screamer
live_traveler ยท 454 points ยท Posted at 16:45:31 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
or if it says DO NOT WATCH in the title
[deleted] ยท 299 points ยท Posted at 18:10:11 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
"TRY WATCHING THIS WITHOUT LAUGHING!" ones too.
[deleted] ยท 84 points ยท Posted at 18:33:52 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 24 points ยท Posted at 18:36:33 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
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MrFrowny_ ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:22:39 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
MAKE SURE YOU WATCH IT AT NIGHT
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 19:43:54 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
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Dr-luckystrikesLSMFT ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:57:20 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I stay away from the ones that say "GUY WILL POP OUT AT YOU AT THE VERY END OF THE VIDEO, AND SCREAM VERY VERY LOUD!"
through_a_ways ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:37:05 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
"TURN YOUR VOLUME UP FOR THIS VERY FAINT MESSAGE"
SunshineCat ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:01:19 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Don't forget "Make sure your volume is all the way up!"
seal_dealer ยท 213 points ยท Posted at 17:42:44 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Protip #2: Hover over the timeline near the end to see thumbnails of what's going on.
tasonjodd ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 20:19:34 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
That's how I watch scary movies on Netflix!
iSmite ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 21:40:20 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
especially when you want to see your favorite characters face in the end scenes.
facepalmingdaily ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 08:08:37 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
That's how I judge porn videos before I watch them.
live_traveler ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:00:14 on December 19, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
so i am not the only one who does this!
Tridian ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:52:54 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Except for those assholes who put the screamer 20 seconds in with 5 minutes of actual interesting stuff.
ipaqmaster ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:18:45 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I hate the few videos where that doesn't work.
Comments give it away too when enabled
Foxes_Soxes ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:59:38 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Instructions were not clear. Ended up skipping to the screamer part.
JeremyIsTheName ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 10:13:17 on December 21, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
But sir what about mobile users
HansAnders ยท 46 points ยท Posted at 16:56:33 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I have never seen a post about a screamer video get hundreds of upvotes on reddit anyway.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:58:24 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Or a really shitty video.
MaRtoff ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:35:29 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
instead it was a heavy breather video
bblazer24 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:11:24 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
What?
nevermind4790 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:37:52 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Too bad women I pick up at bars don't have comments and rating sections.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:33:43 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Protip: hover over the progress bar and just look at the thumbnail previews for a screamer if you get suspicious
GeneralKrunch ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:31:04 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
What do we mobile users do?
bblazer24 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:11:08 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Muting the volume and skipping to the last ~10 seconds of the video usually works
clintbyrne ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:27:15 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Seriously great tip
SkinPig ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 18:03:46 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Those things genuinely frighten me, not just a general shock. I consider myself a pretty robust dude, but I lock up with fear when those videos catch me off guard. I've been to Howl-O-Scream before and that stuff doesn't bother me like screamer videos. Maybe because I was scarred as a child when my dad showed me one when I was little.
devomorales ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:43:03 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I don't know how we live through it. We're truly the greatest generation.
Keeyez ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:05:50 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I live in fear of screamers after Warwick Castle's official website had a "ghost we caught on camera" video on the front page and it turned out to be a screamer.
p3ngwin ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:56:17 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
an age when you would be relieved to know it was a REAL supernatural event...rather than a screamer-prank :)
arfenhouse ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:07:51 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Screamers? What is this, 2001?
camsnow ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:03:43 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I was just saying this not that long ago! Sad times that now we can't trust anyone when it comes to a super interesting video about a ghost! Haha
Sorrymama ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:53:06 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Even if I'm not watching a video, still nervous.
biosnail ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:19:07 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Damn...I hate screamer videos... but really.. After I watch some I was always crazy
The_LionTurtle ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:19:40 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Hadn't gotten one of those in years. Then recently some asshole around here posts one (with a Predator at the end) that catches me completely offguard. Haven't been scared like that in ages.
thtgyovrthr ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:46:06 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
the terrorists have won.
andtheZero ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:53:35 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I thought screamer videos were a thing of the 2000's. It's the 2010's man
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:27:54 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Thanks, Obama!
KushTheKitten ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:19:04 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
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AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
YuDanCha ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:04:58 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I always read comments following an unrecognizable link on popular forums now. I've been hit Jeff the killer way too many times.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:54:00 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
More fear than people had in WW2.
CookieOfFortune ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:38:05 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
But if you mute the video, that means the terrorists win!
thatoneguy009 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:11:54 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Wait is this still about ghosts or watching porn with roommates home?
Shadax ยท 102 points ยท Posted at 16:16:59 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I don't blame you. Fortunately (for those of us looking for creepy) jump scare vids have been on the decline.
tinymog ยท 38 points ยท Posted at 18:54:12 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Thank god. Jump scares aren't creepy anyway, just startling. And I don't like being startled.
octopuswolf ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:41:47 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
"I wasn't scared you just started me goddamnit!"
"Hahaha no way man you were terrified"
cinemadness ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 01:24:53 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I think the last time I saw one was 2009.
Shadax ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 01:32:02 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)*
I talk about this comic below. If you would like to be surprised (its not high pitched screaming or anything over the top, just a subtle surprise that works as a reasonable jump scare. ) then click the link first.
It may not work on mobile as I think it's flash or HTML5 based or something.
Onto the sort of spoiler/original comment:
There's that one scare buried half way in a Korean (?) vertical comic that makes its rounds. It's this quickly turning bloody head that makes this fast clicking noise. Scared the shit out of me the first time. It was one where you laughed or smiled afterwards, not get pissed off lol. Not overly noisy, just a nice amount of jump and creepiness.
Edit: found it, adding above.
badabingbadabang ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:33:16 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
All the more reason that the next one you watch will be even a bigger shock >:D
RobinYoHood ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 16:24:39 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Me too man, ugh.
Brooke_notBrook ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 16:16:55 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I was convinced some creepy face was going to pop up screaming at the end!
alfrazolam ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:26:35 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Same here
fancycheeses ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:31:55 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
With you on that sergeant
OutaTowner ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:37:18 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Saved you from listening to his breathing
chew2 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:47:09 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
It would have been a great screamer video. I was looking at it so intently to see the ghost.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:48:55 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Even all the gifs here. And the jpegs too, just in case
pipe2p ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 17:19:07 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
i live in constant fear of screamer videos.
djdoodle ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:09:26 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Just scroll to the end (hover view) with the sound off. You'll see if it's a screamer without wasting your time
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:51:37 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
It doesn't have sound anyway
Tryry ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:22:40 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I did part way thru as I realized I was way to into the video and that's when they get you.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:27:11 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
We believe you.
zombieozz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:15:10 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I saw this vid a while ago and I did the same thing
homo-sacer ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:51:55 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Such things bring a lot of negative karma around here
procom49 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:55:03 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Nothing worse than a screamer
Evolutionarybiologer ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:57:33 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
That's so 2010.
dantes-infernal ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:20:09 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
still the best screamer on the internet
SFW, no actual scare
infantinemovie5 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:36:19 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
i forgot all about those, i havn't come across one in so long
survivaldad ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:02:05 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
couldn't ditto this more!!!!
Vallarfax ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:06:05 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
On the timeline of the video, hover over, and it shows a thumbnail of that part of the video.
1RedOne ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:43:02 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
So... Is this a screamo?
Sergeant_Conley ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:27:10 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe.
TH0RSDEMON ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:36:02 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Wa. Wa. Was it. I'm too afraid to watch it.
Sergeant_Conley ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:33:46 on December 16, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe.
aRVAthrowaway ยท 721 points ยท Posted at 15:59:23 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I remember watching a special where they said this was likely caused by them reusing the type of recording medium (can't remember if tape or magnetic) and the old images of people actually walking around at night (a guard) got superimposed over the new recording of nothing.
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Rlight ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:22:27 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
First 3 tapes were reused on the same camera (which is why the figure walks in the correct areas) and the fourth tape was reused in a different camera.
MinkOWar ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 19:33:05 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I was only answering the specific question.
There is nothing supernatural. There is no video or photo or anything that can in any way prove or lend credence to something that is imaginary. It's most likely just a hoax video as marketing for the haunted attraction at Disneyland. I don't think it's likely a ghosted image of a previous recording, magnetic tapes for digital recording don't work that way, and chemical film can't be reused for recording.
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RedofPaw ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:08:15 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Exactly. Only ghosts walk on water.
Wait... there's some vital piece of logic missing here. I'm sure I'll figure it out.
dockfeestyle ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:20:13 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
some people said in the comments that there is probably something there during the day, like a raft or a dock. somebody else confirmed that there was in indeed something there during the day.
ExAm ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:22:38 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Someone in the youtube comments mentioned that there's a raft there sometimes.
MCskeptic ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:33:03 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Someone in the comments said that during the day there's a raft there.
PigUnderBlanket ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:16:07 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
During the day, there is a raft in the spot that he walked onto. It usually takes you to Tom Sawyer Island.
ScaryDesigns ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 19:23:00 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I don't think the image is actually walking on the water. It looks almost like the actual person is below the camera with a bright light, and the aberration pattern you see from the lights is showing a reflection. It could also be that the tape from that particular monitor had a latent image from the prior recording from a different location than the water (ie. the walking guy was actually on a foot path in the original video).
Either way, clearly not a ghost, just some camera or equipment issue.
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ElliotNess ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 20:31:12 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I'm gonna go with "buy in the surveillance system" for 100, Alex.
Lady_Goose ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 00:43:03 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
That doesn't explain how it walked through the gate, and it also seems to refract the light from the street lamps.
electricmink ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:08:49 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
If it is a magnetic "ghost" in the recording medium, quite likely the guy was recorded just walking through the gate when it was open. As for the light, perhaps it was the recorded at night as well, so that the original image was affected by the stationary lighting.
chipperpip ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 18:08:53 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Isn't tape a magnetic medium?
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:19:46 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah but it's analog vs a hard drive which is digital.
zumpiez ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:02:17 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Forensic specialists can actually use this "ghosting" phenomenon to recover old data on a hard drive that has been written over, if it hasn't been written over too much.
MaxMouseOCX ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 20:01:37 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
No they can't, a single overwrite destroys the data permanently. See the "specific methods" section here: http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Data_remanence
Sorry if I've burst your csi bubble :)
zumpiez ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:05:11 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
MY BUBBLE :(
MaxMouseOCX ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:10:35 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
ENHANCE!
veryshiny ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:41:13 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
By 'specialists' you mean anyone with a free software. I've recovered hundreds of files.
Fealiks ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 19:24:47 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
That could be what it is, but I'd bet so much money on it just being something somebody made. Why on Earth would someone be sitting around watching old recordings of security footage from the night time, after the park is closed, essentially watching a still image for hours and hours off the clock?
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G2geo94 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:56:39 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Do we even know what video capturing technology is being used? From actual security camera all the way to the video camera in his hand, there are so many possibilities of what could be causing this. I fully support the idea of video cables' magnetic fields causing interference, as well as anywhere else down the line something going wrong. This is mere speculation, but wouldn't a security feed go through something like camera-wire-possibly wireless transmitter/receiver-wire-receiving box/dvr-wire-tvs ? With the amount of possible causes from dust, magnetic fields, and general age-of-technology, I would be faster to say technical problems than the supernatural in this one. But hey, maybe Walt is dead, and this is his ghost? I dunno.
rhy64 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:02:57 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)*
But if it was a real man previously, then how did he go straight through the gate?
Edit: Grammar, was using swipe on my android when writing.
norternp ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 01:43:21 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
The gate was open in the original recording.
rhy64 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:32:19 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I would agree, but if it was opened then why is is that it isn't aligned with the ground for that part? And as well for other parts?
norternp ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:28:33 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Because it's a dark, shitty recording and you can't see any detail.
El_Frijol ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 19:24:31 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I've never seen a "ghost" walk so nonchalantly, and be on footage for more than a couple seconds.
You're right. This was most likely old VHS footage that was overexposed and superimposed over new footage.
HaMMeReD ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:48:39 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
This is actually plausible, I was thinking it could be some sort of double image or interference. Still, how it crosses camera's, are the tapes always in alignment would be the question I'd ask. Because it's moved between areas correctly.
It brings up the other argument that if it is stored-data conflicting, that's a inefficient AV workflow. Typically camera's come in, get displayed on monitors and then recorded to tape. So was this live, or is this a replay?
If it is a replay are the tapes available for analysis?
electricmink ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:16:07 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I'm guessing replay. My take - someone noticed the "ghost" at some point, ran back the tape, and then recorded it from the monitor with a hand-held.
PrecipitationInducer ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:27:33 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
How could it walk over the water if it were footage of a person?
electricmink ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:19:45 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
The fourth camera may have been re-aligned between the "ghost"-ed recording of the guy walking and the newer recording of the park and night. If the camera originally pointed more to the right, the "ghost"'s movement might very well line up nicely with the trail curving around the lake.
su- ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:37:24 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
The thing that makes me think it's not from an old recording is the 'glow' it gives off, similar to the glow of the lighting.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:19:04 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Tape is magnetic.
BigBassBone ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:08:03 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Tape is magnetic.
HonestAshhole ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:17:58 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
My mom used to reuse old VHS tapes all the time and she'd get weird ghosting after a while. In the middle of the Terminator you might see a Bugs Bunny ghost appear next to Arnold and crap like that.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:21:36 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Except for the fact that whatever it was walked right through the closed gate.
madbubers ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 23:36:07 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Except for the fact that it was most likely open when the person walked through it on the previous recording
caboose11 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 01:28:01 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Except it walked on water.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:37:11 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Except for the fact that there's no ghost image or outline of the open gate!
tetratomic ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:40:31 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Since we are perhapsing here, maybe only moving objects got picked up from the old recording.
norternp ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:44:48 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Would you be able to notice if there was? The video quality is awful, and the gate isn't well lit.
kheiland ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:25:11 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Tape IS magnetic, btw. Analogous tape recording occurs by "printing" a signal on magnetic tape through electromagnetic manipulation of flux.
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xhalation ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:51:26 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Most likely the cameras are always facing the same direction and have the same field of view. So if there are traces of someone walking that path left over it would line up perfectly. That would also explain why only the figure is shown 'ghosting' from older footage, because everything else would be lined up.
Megaman1997 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 23:06:35 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
That doesn't explain how then "guard" walk through then gate without it opening.
maleGymnast86 ยท 1422 points ยท Posted at 15:41:16 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
While it does appear to be creepy, could this not be caused by artifacts from previous recordings on the same tape?
I know it lines up well with walking on a set path; but perhaps tapes were switched and this was one used that recorded a nightly watchman going on his rounds. When they recorded over it again, the original image of a person walking was still there and appeared significantly more faint.
nakedjay ยท 629 points ยท Posted at 15:46:36 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I believe this was from 2009, this wouldn't be on tapes but more likely a DVR/NVR system where the data is recorded to a hard drive.
Dubzil ยท 741 points ยท Posted at 15:57:05 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe... A lot of places don't upgrade if it isn't broken. I still work with cities that use VHS for recording.
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SteiniDJ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:36:55 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
How common are the old VHS systems nowadays? We upgraded to an IP-based system ~4 years ago, and 4 years before that we had an analog-to-digital (DX8100) system. I haven't seen a VHS system for years, can't fathom going back to one.
b_pony ยท 24 points ยท Posted at 17:14:54 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
It's disneyland. They have a crew of people to change lightbulbs and paint every night. They have an updated video system. Lol.
electricmink ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:33:09 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Remember that you are talking about the company that is so cheap that, when the "Yeti" broke on their Expedition Everest ride in 2008, they didn't bother to repair it and instead installed strobe lights to create some illusion of movement instead. It remains broken five years later, and has been nicknamed "Disco Yeti".
They are still using A-1 series animatronics (and the accompanying control systems) that date from the sixties in many of their attractions.
b_pony ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:25:23 on December 16, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Ah yes, but using outdated animatronics is different than surveillance technology. When it comes to making sure you're employees aren't stealing your shit, or guests causing trouble, they invest. Upgrading attractions is a net investment, doesn't do you any good if you don't protect it.
savyur ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 18:02:07 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Sure, that is true but we are talking about Disneyland.
gbimmer ยท 47 points ยท Posted at 16:05:27 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
This is Disney. They're cutting edge on everything.
ILikeMasterChief ยท 78 points ยท Posted at 16:20:26 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
You might actually be surprised at how frugal they are behind the scenes. I worked at Disney World, and our communications system was a set of walkie talkies that had to be pre 1995. This was in 2011. They were constantly giving us problems, they were scratchy and hard to understand, and very cumbersome. But they worked well enough so the company didn't buy new ones
[deleted] ยท 71 points ยท Posted at 17:11:51 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
You have described every walkie talkie model I've ever used. This includes newer models.
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sevensallday ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:31:27 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I think I'd rather hear scratchy and hard to understand instead of nothing.
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ohrye ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:40:14 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Which model?
marsrover001 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:23:59 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Dude, that's some serious signal power.
where do i get this?
Cheese_Bits ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:18:57 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Radio Shaq.
Because you gotta get that magical shit form Kazzam.
sevensallday ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:09:33 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
If the analog one is scratchy sounding then its probably at the end of its range. Theres a chance that the digital one might not even work at that range if we picked models with the same range limit.
stinkypenny ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 17:43:55 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Yea, but Disney spends so much money to try and avoid litigation I find it hard to believe they would still be running a VHS system in 2009. I could be wrong, but seems like having good coverage of all areas could potentially prevent many a law suit.
cuntallah ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:31:54 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
How does a VHS system prevent that? The VHS is just what the footage is recorded on. You can have a VHS system and still cover a large area. It just means you have to have more tapes.
Frekavichk ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:54:21 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Which means easier damaged recording, more tapes getting lost, and more cumbersome to bring them up.
stinkypenny ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:48:27 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Leaves a lot of room for human error. Also, if reusing tapes, can have corrupted footage. Further, for a facility that size you would need an enormous amount of room to store all these tapes (if you weren't reusing them), and a full time staff just to change all the tapes on the recorders. Would be really unfeasible I believe.
cuntallah ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 20:26:18 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
You are absolutely right. Before computers, DVRs, etc, came around no places like casinos or disney world had any type of video surveillance because it was just way to hard to use VHS systems.
In case the sarcasm was lost on you, you do see how your argument is coming across as someone who isn't thinking, right? You are saying they can't do it now using VHS because it would be too hard but you have no problem believing they used VHS prior to 2009 tech because back then disney world was what? Or what about casinos which are notorious for having a shit-ton of video surveillance and have been known for that since before I was fucking born 30 years ago?
stinkypenny ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:38:27 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Wow, really hit a nerve with you, eh? I was merely speculating, but yes they did use to use VHS when that was all that is available. However, knowing Disney and what great lengths they go to to prevent and protect themselves from lawsuits I would be absolutely shocked if they still used a VHS system. The difficulty of operating a VHS system would be the least of the concerns from Disney, the far greater concern would be the potential for human error (not replacing a tape and losing coverage for a given amount of time), or distorted images.
I actually have experience in the casino industry and worked for a casino company that had several in Vegas and a couple in a few other states. This company is by no means a hugely successful casino company, but yet all of their video recording systems are through DVR and not VHS. So... I don't really know why you are bent out of shape about this, but a company as large and successful as Disney would not be operating with a VHS system at this point, nor in 2009.
electricmink ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 23:42:21 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
You've never worked for a big corporation, have you? They are expert at punting large costs (like replacing the entire video surveillance system in the park) down the road until they absolutely have no choice but to spend the money.
If it's working "good enough", they're not going to replace it, even if its long term operating costs are higher than the alternative, simply because they'd rather spend the "upgrades" budget on new attractions that directly (and measurably) generate revenue.
Remember, they still haven't bothered repairing the "Yeti" animatronic at Expedition Everest yet, something that the guests in the park actually see as the climax/centerpiece of an attraction, and that broke back in 2008.
stinkypenny ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:51:44 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Like I've said, it was mere speculation. But the cost of replacing the system with a DVR system would cost way less than the cost of only a few lawsuits. It is not like they would have to replace the cameras, only the recording system, certainly not cost prohibitive. If you think Disney is still using video tapes you're crazy, small businesses mainly use Digital Recording Systems now. No need to condescend.
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stinkypenny ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:58:07 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Haha wow dude. Forgot to not feed the trolls. You know they used to use mirrors and binoculars at casinos right? You know they stopped using them right? Because VHS systems came out. Know why they stopped using VHS? Because Digital Video Recording is far less of a hassle and far more reliable. If you think a company like Disney uses VHS systems I cannot help you.
IamBenAffleck ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:35:44 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Dude, his username is /u/cuntallah .
stinkypenny ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:49:31 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Yea, you are right. I did not see that until it was already too late.
yumyumgivemesome ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 16:34:09 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
They cut edges and corners.
f0rcedinducti0n ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:38:11 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
So they're spheres? That's must take some balls.
lolredditftw ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:30:20 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I'm sure they use whatever is most cost effective. And the tape system you already own that already solves the liability and monitoring issues gets replaced when parts for it cost more than upgrading.
Dubzil ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:08:03 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Sure, but do they contract their security out?
Catechlism ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 16:16:46 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
As someone who has been apprehended by Disney Security, no they do not.
aaronred345 ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 16:18:39 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Did you get handcuffed by Mickey mouse?
Catechlism ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 16:23:09 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)*
Unfortunately, no. I was "given a (s)tern talking to" by a woman in khakis that took her job wayy to seriously. But she did have a Mickey Mouse shaped badge
wesjall ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:56:54 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
if you were being enough of a jackass you had to be "apprehended" by Disney Security you deserve more than a "stern talking to."
Catechlism ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:43:14 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
You should read my other comment about why I got apprehended. TL;DR was an asshole, but really had to pee and was stuck on the log ride for an hour and a half.
electricmink ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:45:16 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Oh, gawd. You took a piss off the flume ride, didn't you? o.O
Dragon_DLV ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 16:44:56 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Man, I unno about anyone else, but I'd love to meet a talking artic bird. Really awesome that disney is so cutting edge in the genetic field.
Catechlism ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:44:15 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)*
...wut?Apparently I a letter.[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:48:15 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
A tern apparently.
Catechlism ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:54:58 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Aaaand this is why I hate typing on my phone. I miss all kinds of stupid shit I say.
electricmink ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:46:04 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Your posting took a tern for the worse?
Ellenasaurus ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:32:59 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Out of curiosity, what were you apprehended for?
Catechlism ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 17:40:55 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Three of my cousins and I, we were about 15 at the time, went to ride Splash Mountain (the log ride). It was like our 5th time to ride it that day. About 3/4 of the way through the ride, about 30 yards from the last drop, the ride broke down. They drained all of the water from the ride and told us it would be 15 minutes while they got the ride functional. No big deal right? 15 minutes isn't that long. Well an hour and a half later, the ride still wasn't moving. If I hadn't had a huge Disney-sized lemonade beforehand, maybe I wouldn't have been so irritable. So I decided "fuck this shit, I'm leaving."
I guess I thought it would be easy to find my way out, noope. Apparently everything you don't see in Disney was designed by a labyrinth enthusiast. Not to mention everything behind the scenes looks like Detroit without any people. So eventually (after about 15 minutes of wandering) I came up with a plan. I thought if I pissed of the guy who had to watch the cameras, they'd surely come get me. So I found the nearest security camera and started being the most obnoxious little shit I could. Sure enough, less than 5 minutes later the woman I previously described grabbed me by the arm and dragged me to the entrance, where I promptly ignored her to go to the bathroom because I still had to piss like a race horse. When I came back out to her, she chewed me out for "endangering myself and others" blah blah. She took down my name and where I was staying (fake info) and took my picture. She said if I got in trouble again that I would be "banned from the park."
Ellenasaurus ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:59:21 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I've heard backstage Disney is actually pretty creepy. I think it'd be fun to check it out, but only if I knew I could find my way out.
anonedd ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:25:09 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Cutting edge on animation also, could be used to pretend the haunted mansion is "really haunted"
dawrina ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:50:32 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I would agree that it might be VHS, but the fluidity of the movements and the clear quality of the playback suggest otherwise.
We used VHS recording at my place of work up until about a year ago. The first thing I learned about tapes bacl when we used them was that they never recorded fluidly like this. they recorded in short 1-2 second "bursts." I would say that this was because the tape had very limited space so the recording had to be as compressed as possible.
DVR recording however, looks like this.
Dubzil ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:55:28 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I think that may have been your VCR causing the bursts.. I haven't experienced this and frequently convert videos from VHS to hdd
Infinitron ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 17:12:44 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I think he's talking about the fact that the video was intentionally 1 or 2 FPS to compress as much security footage onto each tape as possible.
Faps_McTickle ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:06:59 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
This. I work for a fortune 100 company that still uses a mainframe and cobol/JCL developers.
patterned ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:33:31 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Well, I'd say that's a tad bit different than a security system. Especially if you're talking finance.
DrPreston ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:28:16 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
They should hire me to port all that software to an app they can run on their smartphones. I bet the energy savings alone would help them break even in a relatively short amount of time.
TheSalmonOfKnowledge ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:24:32 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
So much easier said than done.
Faps_McTickle ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:01:43 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
No, no...we make buckets of money. Plus the workers are mostly MF kiddies scared of change. I wish I could say dump the group, but that would include me too :P.
radagasthebrown ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:20:40 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah but this is Disneyland we're talking about. I highly doubt they're going to skimp on updating the security systems in the most famous theme park in the world.
guitarnoir ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:59:28 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, there was a former security guy for casinos who did an AMA recently and he said that many of these large video surveilance systems still use tape recording systems. Apparently the digital storage of thousands of hours of video, plus the change-over hassle has caused many large system users to put off any change-over until they absolutely have to. I'm sure that "Ghost" is simply a latent image of a real, live human.
Kowzorz ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:14:32 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
USDOJ still uses tape storage for their computer server backups.
statikuz ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 16:19:38 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Tape storage for data backups is pretty common.
drewkungfu ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:54:43 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
WORM technology: Write Once, Read Many. I use to sell it to banks when I worked at Dell business sells as an account manager.
[deleted] ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 16:22:41 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Cheap, and easy to destroy.
rlbond86 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 16:29:32 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Actually, it's because it isn't fragile and lasts a long time.
Kowzorz ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:38:32 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
And it's way cheaper than most every other alternative. When you have terabytes a day you have to back up, those couple dollars a TB add up.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:59:54 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Exactly. And they're easier to shred than hard drives. I don't know if the downvoters thought I was being a brave cynicist or something, but when you're an organization dealing with personal or financial information, you eventually need to destroy old backups.
Kowzorz ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:07:36 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
It's my understanding, at least with the parts of the DOJ I've seen, it's just all shipped off to a warehouse somewhere and not destroyed. A business might want to destroy their old financial information, but I guess the government doesn't? Or none of it is really financial information and it's other stuff.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:25:39 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I've only ever been in private sector, but at one place we went through our storerooms, collected anything older than seven years, and carted it to the shipping doors. We called in a data destruction company who drove a truck up, and dropped all of our stuff into a big honking shredder on the side of it. This included all discs and tapes (we didn't have any hard drives, so I don't know if they'd do those onsite as well).
I guess the core of it is that we didn't want that data. It was a liability for us, and if any of it got out somehow, we would be the ones put to the fire. In other sectors, I could see them wanting to archive that kind of data indefinitely. And a group like the DOJ could keep it reasonably secure (at least we hope).
explohd ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:20:12 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
The information is stored differently on tape drives than on VHS. Digital storage like a tape drive would never cause ghosting like on a VHS.
Kowzorz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:24:03 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
That is very true. But it shows how things that are considered archaic, e.g. tapes, can be still used by even big operations.
drewkungfu ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:56:59 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
WORM Technology: write once read many. Tape is incorruptible when designed well.
DEEZ_NUUUUTS ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:12:37 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
This is Disneyland, not your uncle's corner store. They're going to upgrade to the best security equipment when it is available to them.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 02:12:43 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
You know how I know that you've never been in charge of updating anything for a large corporation?
rambleonfreddy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:35:25 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Ya but, it's disneyland.
rustybandit ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:35:58 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I can sign that
Lukegotro ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:46:18 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
But he walks through the gate.
zumpiez ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:03:24 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
The gate would have been open in the previous recording :P
stfu_whale ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:49:37 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Some government agencies still use floppy disks. It's ridiculous
WhatABeautifulMess ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:05:49 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah I worked at a market research facility that had clients that included most big name US companies an we were using VHS and cassette until about 2009/2010 and then for a while only did CD or DVD if you paid up for it.
Zur1ch ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:20:50 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
This is Disneyland, however. Disney parks have ridiculously advanced surveillance technology so I doubt they're using VHS recordings.
CervixCrusher ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:22:44 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
But, Disneyland. The most magical place on earth.
Dinosauringg ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:30:27 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Disneyland upgrades pretty consistently from what I've heard
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:41:39 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I worked loss prevention for a while, we had two tapes for every day of the month, AM and PM, and didn't reuse them until the month was over, these tapes were probably old as fuck. I would actually be surprised if Disney had upgraded their system, a place that big is no simple overhaul, a new digital system would probably cost an insane amount of money.
CurlyNippleHairs ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:59:08 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Nigga dis is disneyland
heyredditheyreddit ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:19:05 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
But this is Disney.
shanderdrunk ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:30:01 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
But this is a company that has the money to do it, easily.
Tandran ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:33:09 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Yah but this is Disneyland, not mom and pops quick stop.
I_hate_alot_a_lot ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:36:21 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
But it's Disney.
philycheezestake ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:58:17 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Disneyland though? I'd think they would have cutting edge security, its not like they don't have the cash...
micmea1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:58:35 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
The great thing about cameras is they aren't always perfect. And if you don't know better a lot of the glitches can seem REALLY damn creepy.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:40:14 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
My office has both a windows 95 and Dos machines.
emilizabify ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:38:07 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
yeah, but... it's Disneyland.
JeremyIsTheName ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:14:19 on December 21, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
This is Disney land though my man
Izzetmaster ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:32:18 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
One of my friends had an internship with Disney a summer ago, they do not use VHS anymore.
dadudemon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:01:04 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I can tell you that that is not anything else but a digital recording based off of the display:
VHS Tapes will not have that smooth and clear of a playback display as we saw on the screen in the video.
archaictext ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:56:51 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
It depends on camera quality and FPS settings. I have seen very clear and smooth VHS recordings.
dadudemon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:33:33 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
It doesn't depend on that: you're going to have a hard time convincing me that Disney has ever used W-VHS in their surveillance.
archaictext ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:12:43 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
It's of no consequence whether I convince you or not. I have seen analogue vhs recordings that have comparable quality to what we are seeing in this video. I'm not say that is what it is definitively, but I have seen it for myself. Source: have been a casino Surveillance agent for 6 years.
dadudemon ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:14:16 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I also do not need to convince you of anything: I have been audio-video editing for 15 years.
archaictext ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:01:28 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I never said you did pal. Glad you added the "audio" bit, because that's relevant. This is based on our perception of the video, seen on a monitor, through (what is probably) a cell phone. The comment was about the FPS rate of the recorded video. You were saying vhs surveillance equipment is not (or cannot be) smooth and clear and that's just incorrect.
dadudemon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:43:36 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
No, I was saying that VHS Tapes will not have that smooth and clear of a playback display as we saw on the screen in the video.
You tried to inject with a psuedo-fact that you have seen video that smooth and clear from VHS. I called you out on that argument because it is pretty obvious that the US never adopted W-VHS as a format especially not in security camera systems.
Then you replied with a "experience bla bla bla" comment which means you're at the end of your rope.
Trust me: I've been arguing on the internet since the 90s. lol
archaictext ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:34:39 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Haha. You are making assumptions about things, that was my point. I referenced my experience, because it is valid to the situation and for equipment involved. You came right back with less relevant experience yourself; so you are a hypocrite, and YOUR experience claim is "blah, blah, blah" (as you so eloquently put it) because it isn't as relevant. These are surveillance systems, not security cameras, and your "audio-video editing" experience doesn't really mean anything. You were trying to tell me that there were no VHS recordings that could look that clear, yet I have seen them for myself. YOU tried to "inject" with a pseudo fact that what we saw in the video had to be W VHS or not VHS at all, but you don't really know that. We have no specs on the actual equipment they are using and yet you speak as if you know definitively. You're ridiculous. Also, you're not alone in the "I've been arguing on the internet since the 90's" club (so proud). I've also been arguing in places other than the intenet too. We both have. So I'm glad that you think that is information that will bolster your argument (and your ego, lol), but in fact it just weakens it, and your character.
dadudemon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:39:37 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
k
archaictext ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:42:16 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
:-*
dadudemon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:45:50 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Just called my former supervisor who now works for their IT Security. He said they've been using DVRs in their surveillance for all parks since the 90s.
So now what?
Where do we go from here? Is there anything we can do?
Edit - To be clear, he stated they were early adopters of HDD-like DVR's due to how much they needed to ship and copy surveillance files...apparently, Disney park surveillance is serious business. I would post his name and you could ask him yourself but I don't think I can do that without getting a ban.
archaictext ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:56:43 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I believe you. I never said they WERE using vhs. I didn't think they were. I may have even commented something to that effect earlier in the thread. That wasn't the point of my argument, good fellow. It was about you making an assumption about what we were seeing, through what looked to be a cell phone video, with no actual knowledge about the equipment being used and stating it as fact. It was my opinion of the clarity in what I have experienced in my line of work, against your opinion to the contrary. That's it. I just have to argue when people state opinion as fact. It's bad nettiquette, but you know that with all your many years of net experience. ;-) No worries.
archaictext ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:59:37 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Sorry. I may have been a bit of an asshole there.
secondarykip ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:23:56 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
This is at DISNEY LAND though.
Kuzzin_Karl ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:05:13 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I work at a TV station and we still receive beta tapes
BleakGod ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:08:04 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
That's Disneyland though, they aren't cheep on security
kelustu ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:21:03 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Disneyland is digital, a friend of mine works there.
Justino_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:22:51 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Eh, but it's Disneyland.
lIllIllIes ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:18:29 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Oh, you assume the public and private sector keep the same pace with technology?
zxrax ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:31:58 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah. If it ain't broke, don't fix it. Companies HATE spending money. Yes, all of them. If everything works as well as it needs to, they aren't going to spend money to replace it all.
lIllIllIes ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:50:25 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I would change this to "Companies HATE wasting money"
Dubzil ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:33:40 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Not really an assumption.. I frequently work with contractors and they cut corners and are as cheap as they can be.
hollanes ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:36:17 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
But this is Disney we're talking about.
bad_lobster ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:45:05 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Don't "don't upgrade if it isn't broken" mentality would not apply for Disney. They take EXTREMES to be more than up to date in every way.
Nyxalith ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:51:32 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Not on things that that don't affect the visitors.
AppleBerryPoo ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:45:51 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
True, but keep on mind, this is Disney. If they can upgrade something, or experiment with something, they'll do it. It's equally possible they used both systems at once, too.
epicpandemic916 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:45:58 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
disneyland though? unlikely
AstronomicalWin ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:47:46 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
This is Disneyland though, you would think they'd want to be up to date on everything, especially security.
antoniocarriedo ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:52:47 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
But it's Disney.
Hotbuttered_corn ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:54:26 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I think Disney had enough money to upgrade
Dubzil ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:58:40 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
It's usually not a matter of being broke, but most people are suggesting Disney keeps on top of tech and doesn't contract their security so prob not VHS.
camsnow ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:05:45 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I dunno, with how on top of security Disney is, I wouldn't doubt they have had the hard drive systems since they first came out. I could be wrong though, just heard from Disney employees, that Disney has top notch security.
Drowned_In_Spaghetti ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:19:04 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I made myself sad....
OC_Slim ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:09:23 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Disney always upgrades.
elibroccoli ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:12:18 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
But Disney? They seem like they have the budget.
Deepslackerjazz ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:31:02 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
...but it's Disney
TadDunbar ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 16:38:52 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I know for a fact that many large Vegas casinos were still using VHS in 2009, and casinos are extraordinary surveillance dense, more so than any amusement park.
So really, it's not at all unreasonable for Disney to be using tapes in 2009 when other industries, in which surveillance was paramount, were using them as well.
OzzyBlood ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:19:03 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I can't comment on how they are recording the video, but I have worked with Disney in their IT infrastructure and they are using some ancient hardware in their datacenter
5celery ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:26:25 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Behind the scenes most of these places are held together with duct tape - don't overestimate their technological upgrades.
sevensallday ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:37:37 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
They might have both and the old vhs system is just to get a quick wide shot of the general action of the park. The newer stuff is probably in heavier traffic areas or more crime-prone areas like food stands, gifts shops, dark tunnel areas, entrance/exits etc.
YouPickMyName ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 20:05:53 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Furthermore, how would the artefact appear on every tape? isn't that incredibly unlikely? Just that one guy on each tape.
Also he walks into the water at the end.
electricmink ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:54:25 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
First, it's not "one tape per camera", but four video inputs stored at lower resolution on one tape. As for the "ghost" appearing to walk on water in the last view, it's quite possible that one camera of the four had been realigned between the time of the "ghost" recording and the newer park recording - a shift of just a few degrees between the two views would be enough to make the "ghost" walking along the trail around the lake appear to be walking off over the water.
snadypeepers ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:04:25 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
It looks like it was uploaded in 2009 but that doesn't mean that's when it was recorded. I could be wrong, I didn't read through the video comments.
Kevimaster ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:06:06 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I don't know, a store I used to work at that was part of a major chain was still using VHS to record their security footage, and that was this year. I guess Disney would have a bit more money and motivation to upgrade, but its certainly not outside of the realm of possibilities that they were still using VHS.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:35:33 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
SO NOW WE'RE DEALING WITH A CYBER GHOST OH GOD *throws wrench through compu
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:38:12 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Doubtful. They don't replace systems that costly just because it's possible.
CommanderPhoenix ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:42:36 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Happy Cakeday!
pavetheway3 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:00:08 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Disneyland is a business. Businesses usually only upgrade if they need to. This is how they save money so that they can run a successful business.
rolandgilead ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:07:31 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Tapes ares still widely used by both security and television stations today. The public may have moved on from tape-based, but industries haven't.
cuddlefucker ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:00:25 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Is permanent ghosting on a camera a thing?
SayHuWhaaaaat ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:10:12 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I doubt it, the worst you could do is burn out a sensor, but that would be a still image. That only tends to happen when you try to expose the sun or a bare, bright light bulb in frame somehow, though, so it ends up looking like a radial burn, not a sharp human shape.
discOHsteve ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:15:44 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Even 2009 I'd expect a camera on a phone to be better quality than that garbage
InvadingBacon ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:06:26 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
not 100% true im a security guard at the biggest bank in our city and were running off of and old analog recording system from mid 1980. But then again it being Disneyland and have the money they more than likely do have a DVR/NVR system
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:36:09 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
False. Digital storage is expensive and tape is cheap. Many CCTV systems still use tape and just recycle the cartridges.
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jediknight846 ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 16:58:01 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe the gate was left open when it was first recorded. Also, he, IMO, looked like smoke from the very beginning.
iSmite ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:43:13 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
he was walking way too fast though and it wasn't straight (especially in the end)
skucera ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:03:46 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Not if the gate was open already when the person walked through it.
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 18:23:16 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
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zumpiez ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 19:05:30 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
It's almost as if he saw it, went "oh shit", rewound it, then pulled his phone out.
[deleted] ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 19:34:53 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
No because you can not rewind videos.
iSmite ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:44:19 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
sorry, to ask this and it may sound stupid, but why do you say you cannpt rewind a video like this? May be it wasn't a live feed
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:27:25 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I guess I needed a /s tag.
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TheoQ99 ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 20:23:03 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
its not a rerecording over the same area. So guy walking somewhere else in the park, then is superimposed to the new location
PizzaGood ยท 36 points ยท Posted at 17:17:52 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Looks like it could easily be crosstalk between video feeds as well. Most security systems are still analog cameras, even if they feed into a digital system, and they're all synchronized to line frequency so they can cross talk.
explohd ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 18:26:00 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
That might be a possibility if the cross feed was coming from 4 cameras that were positioned exactly the same as the cameras of the Mansion/River Front.
archaictext ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 20:01:53 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Cross talk of nothing else but that single human form moving fluidly across all four camera views and screens? Incredibly unlikely.
CertifiableNorris ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:45:54 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe there are other things being superimposed on the image but you can only see the figure because it's the only thing moving.
PizzaGood ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:25:22 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
It'd have to be someone in very light colored clothing, or wearing reflective equipment like a security guard's vest, with night vision (IR) lights on a camera - this can be ridiculously bright.
Still unlikely, but still more likely than the 0.000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000% chance that this is a supernatural occurance.
archaictext ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:05:26 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
What I do know is we aren't sure that the chance is that low. However, I share the opinion that it isn't supernatural phenomena.
DaneGleesac ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 16:27:51 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
It appears as though the "ghosts" begins to walk across the water, so no, I'd say that isn't an artifact from a guard.
jediknight846 ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 16:59:40 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe the angle of the last camera was changed since the recording of the first video.
FunkSlice ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 21:32:48 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Generally people wont move security cameras for no reason. There's a very small chance that they changed the angle of the camera.
Source: I am a security guard.
Noncomment ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:02:07 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Wouldn't all the other objects on the screen have the ghost like effect then, not just the guard?
rapture_survivor ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 17:50:48 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
in the camera where he walks on water, his movements don't really correlate with the terrain at all. So therefore it's probably that the artifact came from a camera in a different orientation or position.
movzx ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:34:34 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
One of the YouTube comments said there's normally a raft there during other time periods. Take that for what you will.
trousertitan ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:53:18 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
This is a good explanation but he walks through some solid objects, which would be inconsistent with a watchman going on his rounds on those grounds.
EDIT: Nvm I guess it could be tapes of different grounds and all the cameras capture similar sized scenes.
jsbisviewtiful ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:00:11 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
To me it looks fake, likely added on with a graphics program. The area around the apparition looks much clearer than the rest of the video.
superandy ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:16:41 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Yep, and incredibly easy to do at that. You just need one frame where no one else is in the image, then you have a normal, living human walk across is. A quick edit in any FX program will allow you to ghost the person. Not entirely difficult.
alanaa92 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:28:37 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
But does that explain walking on the lake?
2abyssinians ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:35:45 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Wouldn't a VCR ghost on multiple cameras require a similar condition on all recording heads of all cameras recording. And if this was the case, wouldn't it be a regular phenomena? Also, wouldn't the people who worked there recognize the guard who works there, if that was who it was? I guess it could have been someone who hid in the ride and wasn't noticed. Wouldn't 'tape ghosting' phenomena would have to be pretty common, if that was the case? And if that was the case, wouldn't we see these tapes more often, like people are always recording "rods" on security cameras. These so called "rods" in reality are just moths flying fast enough to record as streaks on single frames. Can you show me any other examples of VCR ghosting like this one?
tldr: If this is a common phenomena, why don't we see it more often?
The_D0ctah ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:25:36 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
It could be, but it seems that it just breezes right through the gate, whereas, if it were a guard, there would have been a pause while he opens the gate.
Gobble_Bonners ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:26:13 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
This doesn't explain the gate not opening, or them walking on the water.
ettuaslumiere ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:40:11 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not saying you're wrong, but since there are four separate angles here, doesn't that mean there would have to be four separate tapes all lined up at the same time? I guess that's still reasonable, though.
theqmann ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:25:10 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
unless they duplex the feeds onto a single tape
zumpiez ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:11:40 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
That could happen if they change tapes more or less simultaneously
PiLamdOd ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:00:27 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Would all four cameras record on the same tape? Because if they don't then the way the ghost transfers between camera views so seamlessly would disprove that hypothesis.
Qender ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:53:17 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
The way that happens often is actually due to the way tapes are layered on a reel. The magnetism from the tape above or below it can bleed a bit and imprint on an adjacent layer. On audio tapes this can cause a quiet echo like version of a song that plays at a different time.
huitlacoche ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:44:28 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
This makes sense. It's probably the exact same tape set with the exact same positions, so lining up to the path and disappearing/appearing at realistic places is plausible.
Paradoxou ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 16:08:29 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Except the fact that humans don't walk on water
p0diabl0 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:20:36 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
There could have been one of the rafts there at the time - the video cuts off with the "ghost" not more than a few feet out.
theqmann ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:23:21 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
as someone else said elsewhere, that camera was probably facing another direction previously
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:18:14 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
You would then see artifacts of things like the gate opening. There are none.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:21:31 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I like how through the video the guy recording is just making all these sounds that seem to say "I don't get paid enough for this shot," then at the end he's just like "Fuck it. Let the Ghostbusers take care of this shit! I'm out!"
Heat_Dish ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:31:49 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I thought that too, but why would the watchman walk right into--onto--the lake?
CookieDoughCooter ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:44:21 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Changing the location of the camera? I don't know.. i don't really know shit about video cameras. I'm just saying what some other guy said. Something about analog instead of digital.
Heat_Dish ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:50:32 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah I had originally thought it was a bunch of videos laid on top of each other and in one a guy was walking around. My theory breaks down when the guy walks on the water. Over the water. Weird.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:45:25 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I agree, this looks like it was recorded onto a magnetic tape that had already been erased at least once.
The catch is the ghost would only appear on the tapes upon review of the tapes; if the ghost appeared on the cameras during recording, well then it looks like we've got ourselves a ghost hunt!
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:46:36 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Then why would it walk over water? The guard obviously can't walk over water...
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:12:09 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I think a more logical explanation is that someone is walking behind the person filming the monitors. I also think it was staged to look like a haunting. Why does the ghost disappear when it would be directly in view in the foreground? Simple. The light being shined on the monitors to create this "ghost" was blocked by the person filming the monitors.
mray147 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:19:39 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
The thing that convinces me that it is definitely not a park goer ( could easily be a staff member ) is that I've been to Disneyland a million times and never have I once walked that direction out of haunted mansion.
r00x ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:22:41 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
It strikes me as unlikely. Tape systems follow control tracks which tell them information about the format, speed and tracking of the recording. It would have to not only have survived being recorded over but be enough in alignment that the heads will pick up the old video fields. Which doesn't really happen, as no two passes of the tape over the heads would be exactly the same (hence the need for control tracks so the system can constantly work to keep the head in alignment).
Once the control tracks are erased, it's pretty unrecoverable and especially after passing through an erase head, trashing the existing video fields, it'll be more or less just noise.
Not saying it's impossible, though I think it wouldn't look at all like this.
Morgan-Explosion ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:24:58 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Im more skeptical of the idea that a Disney Security Guard actually pulled out his phone and video taped something behind the scenes at the park. The strictness of the rules for employees at D-land would make the third reich envious...
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:43:32 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I find it less likely that it is caused by re-recorded tapes. The vertical smear from the lights is caused by "improper" pixel capture by a CCD camera. Only bright lights cause this type of vertical smear. If it was a nightly watchman I find it hard to believe even the original recording of him was somehow "glowing" bright enough to cause a vertical smear. I also cannot quite understand why it manages to simply walk through the gate without hesitation.
zumpiez ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:07:09 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I think the smear is introduced by the recording guy's phone or whatever
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:31:59 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
While that could be possible, if that were the case, then the vertical smear would continue off the screen and down the wall. Also, typically in smartphones they use CMOS censors instead of CCD sensors I believe. For example the iPhone 4 has a CMOS sensor in it.
ChucktheUnicorn ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:49:23 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
since he shows up on multiple cameras wouldn't this mean you'd have to switch all the tapes at the same time? not that that invalidates it as that may be standard procedure
DigitalEvil ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:52:30 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Thing to note with artifacts for this:
1) The "ghost" walks out through the entrance only portion of the Haunted Mansion ride. People typically aren't able to walk up that pathway and turn around and walk back out due to crowds and/or lines. 2) The "ghost" continues walking along and then proceeds to walk straight out into open water. The path taken by it in the end is not possible by a human.
With #2 in mind, it seems difficult to consider that even if these were artifacts left from a previous recording of another location, that they would match up perfectly with the pathways in the video (from multiple angles) up until the point in which it goes out onto the water. Further, due to the crowds at Disneyland, its hard to imagine that only one individual would get picked up as an artifact on a tape recording and the thousands of others who walked around with them in the shot would not. It could be an artifact of a security guard patrolling alone, perhaps.
Not saying it's a real ghost, but the artifact theory doesn't seem to float well. That's even before considering that this is Disneyland and they use top of the line security monitoring equipment.
zumpiez ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:09:15 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Every time he switches screens is an opportunity for the tape to have been in a differently angled camera before. That is to say, the paths may like up in some screens but not others.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:53:06 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Or a marketing stunt for the haunted house at Disneyland...
crosby510 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:24:45 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Or, here me out here, It's a ghost.
Alexbo8138 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:37:56 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
It walks on water. That's what I find to be the most probable reason you might be wrong.
KneeDeepInTheDead ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:22:04 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Where are the rest of the people then?
drahcir2k2 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:19:54 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Just a thought but if it was previous recording from a night guard and all conditions were the same, wouldn't we have seen something different at the gate?
2bananasforbreakfast ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:39:48 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
To me it rather looks like a reflection in the monitor glass.
MolestingMollusk ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:42:19 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I'm hesitant to think of it as tape artifacting.
I feel that there would be way more obvious artifacts if it was a bad tape and the speed of the being is too quick for a watchman.
TheMadmanAndre ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:32:32 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
This.
Turns out when you record over a VHS a few thousand times(like security tapes usually are) You end up causing the tape to degrade. This is represented visually by "ghosts," which are little more than artifacts of footage from previous recording cycles.
dog_in_the_vent ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:35:43 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe, I'd imagine that each angle is a different camera on different tape though.
If they still use VHS tape that is
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:13:30 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Sounds pretty plausible. I wouldn't expect a ghost to be so humanoid.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:18:40 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Yes or just an obvious fake by whatever means.
gynganinja ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:35:24 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Not unless the security guard is Jesus. Most humans don't walk on water.
Defrostmode ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:01:37 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
How do so many people miss that at the end?
EveryoneNoone ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:37:19 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Besides the fact that they were likely using DVR systems by 2009, if it was a "ghost" (har!) from a previous recoding, why didn't we see the movement of the gate opening as he went through it? If it was a recording of a real person then he would have had to open the gate and we would've seen it as well, but he clearly just walks through the gate as a (real) ghost does. This is cool.
fhi08 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:21:45 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
This is the correct response, I remember reading the comments thread when the video was posted to reddit a while back, I'll post the comments if I can find the thread.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:15:25 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
unless they record on digital which i assume they do.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:32:18 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Ladies and gentlemen, we have a winner!
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:48:35 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I don't believe in any of this shit. But the odds/chance of your explanation being correct, is not even remotely good.
Radioactivetire ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:51:11 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Man places upgraded when digital storage became, relatively, cheaply available for security systems. Mainly for the reason your siting. I'm not saying it's impossible that they're using tapes. But I'd be inclined to be believe that if Disney can afford not to contract out their security (ie hire them directly) they probably upgraded their systems.
zeitgeist69 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:15:54 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Sounds plausible, except for the fact that the ghost/image appeared to walk into the water at the end.
dont_let_me_comment ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:30:45 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Or maybe someone at Disney, you know, a movie company with access to all sorts of special effects equipment, got a security tape and decided to fuck with people.
gluttnous ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:46:06 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
My only problem with this theory is that the "security guard" doesn't stop to open the gate he walks through. If it's after hours, the gate would probably be closed, no?
Just an observation.
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 16:41:32 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
This might be a reasonable explanation if two things didn't happen in that video. One, the gate never opens and even if it was recorded over you would see the image of the person stop to wait for the gate to open, but there's no hesitation at all. Two, the image of the person walks on water. So, ghost or Jesus.
x1expert1x ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 16:20:11 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
REDDIT SHUT THE HELL UP AND STOP DOUBTING EVERYTHING WITH YOUR MADE UP "WHAT IF" STORIES PLEASE
[deleted] ยท 80 points ยท Posted at 15:36:41 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
2 kids drowned at the island...
SpudzMakenzy ยท 75 points ยท Posted at 16:53:08 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Actually a lot of people have. Disneyland used to host College weekends and they had to stop because they ended in many drunken deaths. Many in the river where people would hide in the park after dark than try to swim to the island and drown. There have also been deaths caused by some climbing on the tracks of the monorail.
explohd ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 18:08:18 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
The People Mover caused of a few deaths as well.
HumanTrafficCone ยท 31 points ยท Posted at 19:56:43 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
People Remover
no_frikkin_clue ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:44:14 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, so many people died during the College weekends that you could literally walk across the water on the bodies of the drowning victims.
Edit: there needs to be some form of text that denotes extreme sarcasm.
spenrose22 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 21:42:21 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
/s
acornSTEALER ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:31:12 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Quick someone post that website where a guy took a bunch of pictures on that island after they swam out to it one night.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:37:13 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
My friend's brother had his toes ripped off on Thunder Mountain after sticking his legs out of the cart. His brother came up during an assembly and showed everyone his foot and the sock he wears that's stuffed at the end so he can wear shoes.
GeneralBlumpkin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:26:25 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Didn't someone die on space mountain?
GRZMNKY ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:47:16 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Legally, no one has ever died at Disney. They are all pronounced dead off Disney property.
rediphile ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:40:35 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
That doesn't seem true. Source?
marblefoot ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:21:12 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Here is a link that may help clear up the answer to this question for you.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:46:54 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:20:20 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
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Jane1994 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 18:12:21 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
People have also been known to scatter their loved ones ashes in the haunted mansion attraction.
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MiggyEvans ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:07:34 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Definitely agree. It looks like viral marketing that they overdid a little with multiple videos.
fuzzymae ยท 44 points ยท Posted at 15:21:40 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Awww, I want to believe. :(
intuitionist ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:37:24 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
You're welcome to come to a land where imagination has no age and dreams are forever.
lapagecp ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 16:00:05 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Well my first question is how was this recorded. If its an old style record to video tape security system which I am guessing it is then its probably just an old tape. When you record over the top of something sometimes you can see some of what was on the last recording. With security tapes it makes convincing ghosts as everything but the people is static and so you only see ghosts of moving objects. The ghost you see is probably a night watchman from the week before.
qx87 ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 15:42:27 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Thats a brilliant marketing stunt, right? RIGHT?
TheEllimist ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 16:50:26 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I mean, I don't want to be cynical, but if this is footage from the park, it could have easily come from Disney rather than some employee taping the screen. If you make that small leap, it's not a whole lot further to reason that they could edit the footage (Disney has the ability to create convincing special effects? Whaa?) as a fun little publicity thing or a reason for the ride to be a bit spookier to adults who catch the video.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:51:10 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
What, you think Disney has the technology to create convincing ghost illusions? Where do you think this ghost is, the Haunted Mansion? Oh...
qx87 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:34:11 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Yup, and all those still lit glow-alot-lamps everywhere really add to the creepy blair witchy atmosphere. Brilliant.
lilzilla ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:00:48 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
This is definitely my bet.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:40:19 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Yes. Of course it is.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:46:57 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Agree. I don't know what all this discussion is about.
saltehhhh ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 15:35:08 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
This one is quite convincing.... I've been through all the comments and this one stuck out to me the most. 9/10 "I want to believe."
ScarySpencer ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 15:58:06 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
From the time that video was posted on Reddit back in March:
"A vast majority of "ghost videos" are caused by impropper deletion/failed deletion or more commonly as results of "burn in" where by the use the same tape to record with and sometimes residual original footage isn't 100% gone so it appears merged with the new footage as a poor quality underlay which in most cases will always appear as if it's a ghostly image."
45flight ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:31:19 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Well there has to be someone around here that's worked at Disneyland and can say if they use tape or straight to HDD. I'd be shocked if a place like Disney was still using tape.
ScarySpencer ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:34:15 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I agree, but even if they are using hard drives that video is hardly convincing proof of the existence of ghosts.
45flight ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:45:46 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I mean, what would be?
mocmocmoc81 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:07:13 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)*
please note the vertical lense flare the entity emits.. it behaves like natural vertical lense flare, dissapearing completely when entity is behind object, fade lighter when entity close to bright light source, entity glows at the fading end of back vert flares, etc...
pls look at my post for negative gif and more info.
http://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/1sv39b/serious_what_in_your_opinion_is_the_most/ce1ope6
EDIT: it is 3am here, and FUCKING GOOSEBUMPS making those negative gif.
lancerevo98 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:44:03 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
this was probably on a hard drive though
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ChieftanAxe ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:23:43 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Modern day phantom, mean mean haunt
Corrupted_ ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 15:24:31 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Not sure I want to watch this before going to bed. Will edit with verdict later.
BOO.
GetafixTheDruid ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 15:51:47 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
It's not scary, just an almost-invisible person taking a stroll, you see it on security monitors.
Kitts ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 15:46:15 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
The explanation I heard for this one is that people commonly re-use tapes for their security systems. The image of the person is probably just from a previous recording.
MMistro ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 16:11:07 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
But what about when he walks on the water?
p0diabl0 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:22:05 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
There could have been one of the rafts there at the time - the video cuts off with the "ghost" not more than a few feet out.
DaneGleesac ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:29:16 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
A person that has the ability to walk on water at the end?
GMCP ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:58:21 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Wow that's pretty awesome to watch, but surely that must be like some kind of video double exposure right?
jhpianist ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:28:09 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Seriously? The Disney people produced a video showing a ghost exiting their haunted mansion and you think it's real? Smh
ilikenewpasswords ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:31:39 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
It's just Walt Disney with an invisibility cloak. Nothing supernatural like ghosts.
Dalroc ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:47:06 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Why is this so convincing? Small monitor with bad quality and all you see is some transparent thing moving around.
If you have even touched any kind of video, or even picture, editing software you would know that is an extremely easy thing to fake.
ContentWithOurDecay ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:42:44 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Not so much.
Oznog99 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 09:41:50 on December 16, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
What's with all the vertical smearing?
I think what we're seeing is video taken through a protective plastic cover that's scratched. There's a person walking under the field of view holding a flashlight or making just wearing a white shirt. The cover is smearing the light and traces of the vertical smear are showing up in-frame.
Nonchalant25 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:56:16 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Wow Iv never seen that one. It's definetly intriguining.
Davey_Jones ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:56:38 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
As someone who currently works the graveyard shift at Disneyland, fuck me...
Inimicus ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:57:51 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Am I the only one who thought this was a screamer?
harassmaster ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:00:49 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Lol this was a stunt put on by the people of Disney.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:01:04 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Probaly reflections of a car passing by or something.
DaElephantMan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:04:39 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
What! God this is so eerie.
shittyreply ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:05:18 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I like that no one has crapped all over this one yet.
twist3dl0gic ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:06:02 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Where are the nonbelievers to rationalize this one?! I want to knooooow.
Amazing_Bagel ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:06:15 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I would love it if the cameraman could be just a little more shaky
Blue_Yonder ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:06:27 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
This was another thread a while ago. I remember reading that it was just a publicity stunt for another ride? I'm not too sure though
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:06:56 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
It's all part of the magic of Disney!
baskandpurr ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:10:13 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I think the ghost looks computer animated, the walking motion is unconvincing. Besides, why is this being filmed with a handheld shaky camera when its already being filmed with the security camera? We have no context for the images on the screen, we are watching a film of a film being played on a TV. I guess this is a recording and the guy knew the 'ghost' was about to appear. It's that or he randomly films security camera footage in case a ghost happens by.
Patbach ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:10:39 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I had to mute this one, I couldn't trust it
Ton86 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:10:40 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Best one I've seen posted so far. Maybe fake but if so they did a pretty good job with multiple angles and the light flares to match other flares off light sources.
KilgoreeTrout ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:12:50 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
it's disneyland. it doesn't seem like it would be very hard for them to create something like this
Xtinguish ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:12:53 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Just the imagineers working on their next awsome show lol
Von_Miller ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:16:51 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Very cool. I want to see a ghost so bad
Darkpane ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:17:46 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Why would a guy need to make a recording of a recording?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:20:25 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Cross post to /r/Disneyland!
CouchPotatoFamine ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:25:34 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Somehow makes it freakier that it walks, not floats.
LOLinc ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:26:34 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Surely this is just some visual effects, great work though. However, it is always easier to make convincing and "realistic" looking manipulation of sketchy recordings, than on clear and detailed recordings.
MikeOrtiz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:30:53 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I'm just imagining every other ghost is like, "Really Jim? They've finally got proof of us cause your dumbass never got to go to Disney Land before you kicked it?!"
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:32:15 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
It's not a ghost.
Those cameras have seen so many people walking by that one of them has slightly been etched into it forever.
You'd see it happening everyday
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:37:09 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
It would be nice if we could see the original instead of a shitty cell phone video of a security camera monitor.
lukin187250 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:38:56 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Never saw this before, very cool. Also, aside from ghosts, I tend to believe we could also be looking at a rip in dimensions or a rip in time and we're seeing a living person in another dimension or time. Very cool.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:39:55 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah im pretty sure this was an ad
nyxavenger ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:43:21 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
This seems unlikely to be legit to me just because of the speed of the 'ghost'. It takes over 10 seconds to get from the entrance to the haunted mansion to the gate and then off frame. The 'ghost' then appears on the third camera 5 - 6 seconds later. Just judging from the point of view of those cameras they're probably somewhere over by pirates, likely up above the dream suite. That's on the other side of New Orleans square. That ghost would have had to be sprinting off camera to cover 2 - 3 times the distance in half the time. Or whoever edited the footage didn't take in to account the amount of time it would take to walk that distance. Just sayin...
DontSayLostMyShit ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:44:59 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
That's actually a military project they've been working on for awhile, the DARPA invisibility cloak. An embedded array of sensors and emitters, each connected to the nearest of an array of hundreds of extremely low-powered GPUs, captures photons from one side of the cloak and calculates the spectrum, intensity, and angle needed to emit new, nearly identical photons on the opposite side. They are testing this new technology in increasingly secure public areas in the United States to determine its effectiveness.
source: my ass
CodenameRedeemer ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:46:41 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Brought to you by shakeycam (TM).
Radioactivetire ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:47:33 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Nah, that guy was just an alien wearing a cloaking device.
aint no such thing as ghosts :P
RedRedKrovy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:55:12 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
What better place to hang out if you were a ghost. You get to interact with people and everyone would think you were part of the attraction.
Antebios ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:59:27 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
We have a winner!
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:01:56 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I love paranormal activity, I really want to believe in it, but... this isn't the actual recording, its a camera on the actual recording.... that just leaves so much room for margin of error when looking for paranormal scientific proof.
Faps_McTickle ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:07:20 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Could this not be a publicity stunt by Disney to drum up more visitors for the park?
garfieldsam ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:07:36 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Wow. That one is amongst the best I've seen.
TheGuyYouKindaKnow ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:09:15 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
He has a very dapper walk for a ghost.
Mechdrone ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:12:07 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
If you look closely when he transitions from the 3rd camera to the 4th camera, you can see that the 'ghost' stops being visible on the 3rd camera at the part where it should be visible on both cameras.
Edit: Look closely on the 3rd camera through 00:47 - 00:52
errorami ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:12:34 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
As I was watching this, my Beatles record skipped and started saying "Believe me" over and over again.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:12:47 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
That's that asshole, Harry Potter, walking around with his invisibility cloak again.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:12:47 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
hologram?
Amosral ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:18:21 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
That's really cool. Multiple angles/cameras and clearly seems to be a figure walking. There are a load of ways this could be hoaxed, but it's much more interesting than the average blurry single frame 12 pixel photo.
CoffeeJedi ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:21:20 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)*
Seriously? That's so obviously viral marketing for the park. How could anyone fall for it? In fact, it was just one of a series of Disney ghost videos that all came out right before Halloween that year.
Delror ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:21:28 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Oh that sumbitch would start off in the Haunted Mansion. Ghost thinks he's funny.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:22:08 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
man. If I was going to be a ghost, you bet your ass I'd want to be one at Disney World.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:26:32 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
That's no ghost. It's just some goddamn video patch up job. Lastly, what makes you think you know what a ghost would look like?
TheStinkySkunk ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:32:17 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Just commenting so I can watch later on my desktop
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:34:51 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
This one is the most convincing to me. It's not like Disney, a multi-million-billion company with branches of experts dedicated to visual effects, would have the means OR THE MOTIVE to produce a video with the aim of it going viral and promoting their haunted house ride.
djaclsdk ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:35:04 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Being a ghost must be so much fun
torn_paper_heart ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:35:47 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Haunted Mansion?
Disney's idea of viral advertising would be my guess.
Well_IStandCorrected ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:38:50 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
It was a pretty good promo vid for disneyland, actually.
Vexing ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:39:46 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
This could pretty easily be done in any 3D application. The fact that it was made in 2009 would lead me to believe that it's more likely that someone figured out a cool lighting effect in maya (a 3D animation program) and decided to make a spooky ghost video out of it. It's pretty neat, though. If this video was about 10-20 years older I would be completely convinced.
mka_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:42:23 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Might not be a screamer, but it does scream PR stunt. A very convincing one.
laddergoat89 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:44:02 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
The whole thing is obviously a viral thing made by Disneyland. I mean, it just happens to be the haunted mansion ride.
The_Mountain_Pirate ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:51:41 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
seems like disneyland might have a bit to gain if people thought it had a real haunted house
xstevemo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:55:48 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
It sucks that ghosts have to walk just like real people. I thought by the time I became a ghost, I could just float around.
ClakeBent ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:59:33 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
If only they got someone that wasn't Michael J Fox to hold the camera.
3_Bob_Sagets ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:04:35 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Sorry to burst you bubs, bro, but its already been busted. This was a recycled vhs tape, and the man was an artifact from a previously recorded video
tmbgisrealcool ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:04:56 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
this has been proven as a hoax
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:08:59 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Walt Disney tomfoolery. Like, I would be convinced if that wasn't in Disney, the greatest producers of special effects around.
chedders ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:13:01 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I heard a story - I don't remember if it was Disney World or Disneyland - that there's supposedly a ghost in the Haunted Mansion, and every night they say goodnight, and every morning they say good morning, and apparently if they don't acknowledge him, the ride typically breaks down more than usual.
truleerotten ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:13:31 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
At first, I want to hope maybe that's a kid who died before Make-a-Wish could make his wish come true, and so he gets to spend eternity at Disney. But then, I realize that he is alone, and that makes me heavy sad.
metllicamilitia ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:15:57 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I don't buy it, never seen an apparition look like that or walk like that on video, the security guy wasn't scared in any way whatsoever, and he knew exactly when the "ghost" would appear (as he started his own video just in time), and also know exactly where it was going. If you notice the hand operated camera goes in front of the "ghost" every time the cameras change and every time the path changes.
JCOhMyBuddha ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:16:39 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
One explanation that I heard about this was that someone could have taken the footage of the man from another video, put it on the security tapes, and then set the opacity of the footage of the ghosty lower.
hawaiian0n ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:20:45 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Did the dude filming this have Parkinson's ?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:21:13 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I'll bet it's some technical issue, like they reuse the tapes, and something happened that cause the previous recording to double up images, and of course the buildings aren't gonna be moving. Or some other nutty tech type thingy, as it were.
5celery ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:25:23 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Imagine if it weren't a film of a film recorded by someone with cerebral palsy.
Geek-lover ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:37:47 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
June 1973: Bogden Delaurot, an 18-year-old Brooklyn resident, drowned trying to swim across the Rivers of America. Delaurot and his 10-year-old brother managed to stay on Tom Sawyer Island past its dusk closing time by climbing the fence separating the island from the burning settlers' cabin. When they decided to leave the island a few hours later, they chose to swim across the river rather than call attention to their rule-breaking by appealing to cast members for help. Because the younger brother did not know how to swim, Delaurot tried to carry him on his back as he swam to shore. Bogden Delaurot went down about halfway across the river. The younger boy remained afloat by dogpaddling until a ride operator hauled him aboard a boat, but Bogden was nowhere to be found. His body was not located by searchers until the next morning.
Tucker48 ยท 160 points ยท Posted at 18:51:08 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
This was very compelling. Even better is the guy takes a scientific approach to a solution instead of being scared. The company he owns makes medical lasers and such. Their new building was haunted, so they set out to prove it wasnt or was but went at it like scientists. http://youtu.be/92jFdzNC228?t=2m28s
[deleted] ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 21:27:38 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
this video is amazing
BitchWidget ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 19:47:01 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
That was compelling. I am an agnostic on the subject but find it fascinating. It's not often I find something that isn't completely hokey. So, thank you!
Spidermustdie ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 01:46:46 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
That was fucking cool.
Robby712 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 02:11:14 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Awesome video. Thanks!
irishstereotype ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 15:49:19 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Can't believe I hadn't seen this before. Really interesting.
Tejnin ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 08:14:43 on December 16, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
So, this makes me think that ghosts aren't dead people... But are organisms of their own. Before the invention of the microscope, disease was considered a curse or dark magic. Now it's known fact that microorganisms exist. I'm eager to see what science discovers about this phenomena!
DasBarenJager ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 06:41:05 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Very interesting video! Thank you for posting that
RockinMoe ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 05:01:27 on December 17, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I feel like they're trying to sell me lasers somehow.
Oznog99 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 08:46:10 on December 16, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
One possible explanation- engineers LOVE to fuck with one another.
Just gotta acknowledge- all this would be trivial to fake if you wanted to, and the person being interviewed may not be "in" on it.
Arkal ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 04:56:17 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)*
Andy Coppock is part of the paranormal group Boldly Go, the site of the uploader you linked. I don't know if the story he's telling is before he became a ghost hunter or later, but it makes it less credible. Also, Bio is as reliable as THC.
aljady ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 11:39:47 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Ha ha ha ho boy.
dudcicle ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 17:09:24 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Scientifically, since the answer to things moving small distances at night couldn't be "vibrations," it must be "angry spirits of mutilated native americans in mass graves under the building."
aljady ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 17:31:16 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Angry spirits of mutilated native americans in mass graves under the building tugging on random objects with bits of string.*
Tucker48 ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 19:42:12 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
That table is as he describes in another interview, is vibration proof, meant to be for whatever its function is but he does state that if you were sitting on it during a minor earthquake you would not feel any vibration.
CoolKidBrigade ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:04:06 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Scientists don't use the word prove like that.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:39:12 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I remember, back in the days when I had and watched random shows on cable, there was one show "when good cars turn bad" or some silly thing. The cars appeared to be driving themselves from one spot to another.
I haven't watched the whole video, but objects moving around short distances is easily explained by being either faked, or simply having been jiggled (does a train pass by, large buses or trucks?). In fact with most things of this nature it is good to ask whether might easily be mistaken, is there a simpler answer than the lost souls of the dead trapped in some kind of afterlife that involves randomly moving chairs occasionally in the wee hours of the night.
Tucker48 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:47:50 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)*
Watch the whole video, it IS compelling. Prior occupants had same issues with so many employees refusing to be in that place at night because of how freaking scary it was so they they moved offices.
Take it for what you want, no matter your beliefs, it is compelling to watch.
IAmRabid ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:14:51 on December 16, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I don't find it compelling because it's a TV show, and likely the entire thing is fabricated.
[deleted] ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 22:34:05 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
So what were his findings since then? Or has he been satisfied with this 15 minutes of fame?
j_erv ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 04:16:31 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Well, here's a paranormal investigator episode! It's 30 minutes long, but if you jump around to where they show his findings, there are a couple new things. Most notably is the one captured by his camera that views UV at 26:10.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 05:18:08 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I'm actually glad there was a follow up! It's nice to see somebody like him take a more serious approach.
Tucker48 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 07:49:32 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I agree, more than anything it was just compelling to watch. I liked his approach most of all. When you see these shows, 99% of the people are just average folks, at least this guy was like Ohhh loook, science project.
laughingrrrl ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:33:42 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
That's pretty wild -- especially the footage of the hat man materializing. Looks like interdimensional travel to me!
Thebigdoublek ยท 712 points ยท Posted at 15:46:22 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I'm surprised nobody as done the battle of LA in 1942. Pretty crazy stuff. So many witnesses said they saw something. http://www.rense.com/general27/battle.htm
[deleted] ยท 58 points ยท Posted at 17:06:54 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
wow this is amazing. No matter what it was, I love the thought of local historical events in almost every place that aren't well known or well documented but still integrated in local oral history or old newspaper findings.
CrossroadBlues ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 17:04:08 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I have always loved this Battle: Los Angeles trailer, as it includes this incident in it.
robotevil ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 18:21:42 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
It's too bad the studio fight ruined that movie. It had great potential.
[deleted] ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 19:02:11 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Care to elaborate? What fight and how did it ruin the movie? Was there a different ending, more/less effects, an R rating...?
robotevil ยท 23 points ยท Posted at 20:39:21 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I'm trying to find the article but I'm not having much success. There's was an article that went into detail about the Battle of Los Angeles vs. Skyline controversy.
Essentially, Hydraulx, the special effects company completed about half the movie, then ripped-off the story, created their own studio and made Skyline with work they had done for Battle of LA.
So there was this huge fight over this, and essentially Battle of LA had to be completely redone. The result was both movies were shit.
sre01 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 06:58:48 on December 16, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Well, I liked Battle LA a lot more than skyline. So I'm ok with that.
Sevenix2 ยท -6 points ยท Posted at 21:45:47 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Battle LA was very bad indeed, but Skyline actually was quite nice.
Some bad acting at times, but I love how it sorta took the regular Invasion movie and made it more of a Zombie movie.
CrossroadBlues ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:32:23 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I did some googling looking for that clip, and writing the sequel got underway last year with full support from the studio. Hopefully we see the sequel sometime soon.
Netprincess ยท 51 points ยท Posted at 16:09:35 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
This was japanese airships. Heluim balloon with a remote bomb launch control, That malfunctioned. They even found a sub right off the coast. The goverment did not want to alarm people of the possibility of our country being attacked.
kingbasspro ยท 79 points ยท Posted at 16:33:41 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
A helium balloon that survived fighter and triple A attack?
LinkXXI ยท 60 points ยท Posted at 16:36:24 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Nah, it wasn't a helium balloon, it was swamp gas.
Stinkfoot69 ยท 46 points ยท Posted at 17:08:50 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
yep. Swamp gas that reflect the light of Venus. nothing to see here - move along.
maxstryker ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 17:32:30 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
flash
shhitgoose ยท 31 points ยท Posted at 17:19:00 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
No way a helium balloon would survive fighter aircraft attacking it let alone an AA bombardment for 30 min... not possible. Going by that article, witnesses reported direct hits yet no damage.
Not many know but Japan did send over 1000's of helium balloons across the Pacific in an attempt to start fires in West Coast cities. They were highly ineffective but a few did manage to start fires in the forests of the Pacific Northwest. I highly doubt that this was one of those balloons though
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 17:31:04 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe Steven Spielberg's movie "1941" was a documentary and they really couldn't shoot for shit.
kingbasspro ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:26:30 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
That was the point I was making.
shhitgoose ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:52:16 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, My bad. I meant to respond to the above comment.
Hingle_McCringlebury ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:52:53 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Soo I should probably cancel my hot-air ballon trip over Nellis Air-Force base this summer?
figglyy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:44:58 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I live in Victoria and a family was killed during a picnic by one of these balloons. Such a shame as it was close to the end of the war too
Crowbarmagic ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:22:06 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Other sources say they were just shooting at clouds. After the attack on Pearl Harbor people got paranoid; Your mind 'wants' to see enemies.
[deleted] ยท 43 points ยท Posted at 18:03:31 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)*
Which of these two seems more likely:
WW2 anti air gunners from a reserve unit never expecting to see combat are bad at shooting things at night.
or
Aliens. Aliens who just happen to be operating in the same area that the Japanese are. Aliens whose spaceship is able to be shot down by WW2 era AAA guns. Aliens who never think to run away once they start getting shot at.
afterforever21 ยท 36 points ยท Posted at 18:26:53 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
But the sheer amount of munitions fired at a single point in the sky.... even with shit aim your bound to hit it. Especially with flak cannons.
[deleted] ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 19:45:17 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
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afterforever21 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:47:43 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Lol, I doubt that...
GoldandBlue ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:40:46 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Or they have the same shoot everything you got mentality as the current LAPD
sre01 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:00:32 on December 16, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
This is very true. Flak Cannons are basically designed to fuck up everything in a general area.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:16:06 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I imagine the variables that one would need to actually make a statement about the odds of hitting whatever they were trying to hit on that occasion are pretty unknown to us. Where is your confidence about the effectiveness of WW2 anti-aircraft fire on... unknown targets about which nothing is known coming from?
afterforever21 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:27:13 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Granted that an individual rounds chance of hitting something at that distance factoring in weather conditions, experience of operators and so forth are slim. I'm just considering the duration of the event, the amount of munitions fired, the kind of munitions, and the target window. They knew where the thing was as it was barely moving/stationary and fired on it with all kinds of munitions. They HAD to have hit it. In that time aircraft could only take so much damage. No way that thing could not of been brought down, especially if it was a Japanese balloon.
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 21:21:27 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Um. No.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:20:11 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Get outta here with that logic
cavilier210 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:23:52 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
That's not really logic considering the weapons in use. Those are area of effect weapons, and there were hundreds of them shooting. Someone had to of hit it, and a helium balloon isn't really a tough nut to crack.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:55:55 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
But it makes more sense then UFOS
cavilier210 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:30:06 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Considering the difference in flight characteristics, I don't think so. All UFO means is that there's an unidentified object that flies. It doesn't mean by necessity that those objects are from another planet.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:52:16 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
The army failing to shoot down a helium balloon with thousands of anti-aircraft rounds doesn't make sense.
That's just not plausible. They had floodlights on the damn thing and it wasn't moving.
Braile ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:33:54 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Not just that, but it's likely the bullets they were shooting did not have proximity fuses. Before the proximity fuse it was damned hard to shoot anything down, let alone something as small as a balloon.
kingbasspro ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:32:51 on December 16, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Let's say they weren't using the 40mm Bofor cannon or the other standard 90mm flak cannon of the time. Let's assume they're using rifle caliber and 50 caliber machine guns. Even then with as many guns as they had they could have hit it. And being a balloon one shot would have been enough
ThePerdmeister ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:57:08 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I WANT TO HABEEB
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:29:45 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I'm with you, but if it did happen, I doubt our artillery would do anything to an interstellar spacecraft piloted by extraterrestrials. Pretty sure they'd have the "shields" I keep hearing about in movies.
Netprincess ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:37:43 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Lol it didn't survive. Let me find the link for you. :)
[deleted] ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 17:05:09 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
26 minutes later.
coma420 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 17:13:37 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Over half hour now... wtf princess
QJosephP ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 17:22:07 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
45 minutes now.
you_should_try ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 17:48:10 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Any minute now, just be patient...
atheistkitty ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 18:06:04 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Would you look at the time.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:07:51 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Rip netprincess
CalmZenCat ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:07:03 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
1 hr. RIP PRINCESS. THE ILLUMINETFLIXI GOT HER!
kingbasspro ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:48:09 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Thanks!
Netprincess ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:35:16 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
http://www.history.com/news/history-lists/5-attacks-on-u-s-soil-during-world-war-ii
Sorry had a RL issue. #5 on the link below. I have seen the newspaper in 1950 citing a balloon. If I find it I will post. Also remember the Germans perfected rocketry and had the prototype to our stealth bomber.
kingbasspro ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:36:23 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I knew about the balloons, but how is the LA supposed the same. Eyewitness accounts seem to indicate it survived. And yes I did know about the German flying wings.
5celery ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:46:36 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
yes
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:28:50 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
It doesn't sound like it survived.
CockGobblin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:50:42 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Because obviously it flew away... lol.
Crowbarmagic ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 23:12:49 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Japan launched the first of these balloons in 1944 so it wasn't that.
Eaglesun ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:13:19 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
didn't even notice. great catch.
aazav ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:41:12 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Helium*
clownwithapiece ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:02:33 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
That's some quality balloon right there.
CockGobblin ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 23:55:17 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
This apparently occurred within months after Pearl Harbor. Possibly an aircraft carrier breach the Western naval defenses and sent a recon plane to test the air defense of the West coast.
As someone said elsewhere - rookie defenders couldn't aim nor hit the small aircraft. And as has been proven by history - facts are often lost, while tales are created because of the lack of facts.
CookieDoughCooter ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:54:42 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Citation?
War_Machine ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:15:10 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I had never heard of this.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 17:08:18 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I've read somewhere that, although this photo isn't exactly "fake", it's been touched up a massive amount and looks nothing like what it actually looked like.
moofunk ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:11:55 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Skeptoid to the rescue:
http://skeptoid.com/episodes/4171
crestonfunk ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:59:48 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
The scare was real. The photos are fakes.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:55:52 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
The best theory I've seen for this is that one of those zeppelins used for detecting submarines broke off it's lure and began floating away. People were a little trigger happy at that period and mistook it for something else.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:58:42 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Zeppelins that were somehow impervious to anti-aircraft fire.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:32:43 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
No. But it's slowly drifted down and then disappeared. That could easily translate to it getting hit by anti-aircraft fire, burst, and fall into the ocean. But again, it was just a theory I read about it.
mikeism ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:02:30 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Never heard of this. Very interesting.
CQBPlayer ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:17:29 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
"They were shooting at it"
That, ladies and gentleman, is why extraterrestrial s have not attempted to contact us. Because when they tried, we fucking SHOT AT IT.
zuneza ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:39:15 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
If that was extraterrestrial in origin, they picked a bad year to make an appearance in LA. Haha.
msbq ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:05:35 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Wow, this seems more legit than most of the other stuff in this thread... Crazy.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:11:40 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Here's video and a news broadcast about it
Kossimer ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:29:22 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
We seriously fired on it unprovoked? For all we know this is the reason we havent found extraterrestrials yet. They'd rather not mingle with such a violent race.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:09:51 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
It was the middle of WWII. Any unidentified craft over a US would have been treated as a threat.
SooInappropriate ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:27:43 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Holy crap my grandmother saw this as well. She lived in Seal Beach, CA at the time and was driving (not sure where.... Guessing a little north by LB) when this happened. She told us about it years ago but I thought she was joking (or nuts). She said this thing was there just sitting in the sky, and it was huge. Not long after she started seeing the glow of artillery shells trying to hit it, and nothing seemed to happen.
A few days later she was mentioning it to a friend in a store, and when they walked out of the store the man who behind them in line went up to them and told them that they really shouldn't talk about it. Just forget about it. Not in a threatening way, and not like he was following them... He just overheard them and kindly advised the girls to not be so open about the matter. They didn't think much of it, until they noticed he got into a government vehicle.
She was convinced from that point on that the thing wasn't from here and the Government was very aware of whatever it was.
jeudyfeo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:43:45 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I saw one of those in Battlefield 4. It was the map where its the islands and the weather changes to rain and dark clouds mid way. It was probably the emissions from a lamp that had been blown away but the light was still coming off of the 10 foot high air.
NayOfThunder ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:15:36 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
And I was listening to Rage Against The Machine when I saw this. Sweet.
yabadabwilldoya ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:13:24 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Na, na man, it was just the Japanese, remember!
APSupernary ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 02:02:51 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I'd like to voice a response to the many complaints against the Japanese balloon theory, specifically that a balloon couldn't withstand the anti aircraft fire.
From what I imagine this was more akin to a weather balloon than a party balloon. Instead of it being a tiny rubber balloon inflated with helium which increases it's volume and stretches the skin out putting pressure on it, which upon being punctured causes it to fail dramatically as the skin tries return to its unstressed state, I think it'd be similar to a grocery bag filled with water. Instead of a small container which gets stretched out, this balloon would be made of a larger and thicker material which is then filled until the buoyant gas pulls upwards on the container and payload, just as the grocery bag with water fills and pulls down.
Puncturing the grocery bag will cause a leak, but because the contents aren't heavily pressurized into the container the skin will be less prone to the familiar "pop" and shrivel like normal balloons. This would explain the slow decent described in the article, as after it was punctured the object would have slowly lost buoyant gas through its holes.
However, there should have been lots of holes from all that AA fire right? One possible explanation could be that the innards of the balloon was compartmentalized to prevent descent upon a hole in the exterior skin, much like a large ship, containing much of the gas in other sections which either weren't hit or perhaps not penetrated because the outer skin managed to slow shrapnel enough to prevent it from puncturing multiple layers. Hard to tell without any better evidence, although it's not a stretch to imagine that the Japanese would have predicted that this slow, large object would have been spotted and shot at and thus prepared it for that somewhat.
Although I feel a better explanation for the AA would be the guns and operators themselves. 1942 was pretty close to the beginning of the US's involvement in the war, which would have meant a number of things. First, the operators could have easily been new/untrained recruits or not ready for a live combat situation as experienced soldiers would be getting shipped out, plus a base on thw mainland at the time would have been home to training rather than active duty. Also, there's a chance the AA guns were older or less advanced models; the lack of involvement in WW2 up until recently meant that the US didn't have as nearly of updated equipment as it did later because there wasn't any pressing need to (post WW1 before pearl harbor). These guns could have simply been surplus WW1 equipment as training guns even as newer equipment would be in demand in the field. Either way I feel like it's important to note that an older AA gun could have been lacking the automatic airburst, meaning that ground crews would have had to dial in the appropriate range for the rounds to burst near the target.
So, if the crews didn't do that properly the rounds could have been bursting in line with the target but not within range, causing slow leaking holes from what did hit. Or maybe the fresh recruits didn't know better and somehow loaded up training rounds. Maybe they both worked perfectly but by being a balloon the shrapnel did not destroy it in a manner we would expect when we think of planes being shot down by AA or of balloon popping.
I wanted to get ideas out there so if you like aliens and disagree that's ok too, but I just feel like there's a lot of plausible possibilities out there and just because they're odd and unlikely doesn't make them less valid than jumping to the conclusion "because aliens". This is all a brainstorm though, not really founded on steadfast research, so there's a lot of room for me to be wrong. That's ok though, I don't mind so long as I can have a flying balloon car later once we uncover the truth
beener ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 19:00:32 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Aliens, okay. Supernatural? No. This threaddit is supposed to be about the supernatural
HissingPixels ยท 2443 points ยท Posted at 14:52:09 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)*
The "Wow! signal"
In 1977 we received a radio signal from space that lasted 72 seconds.
http://i.imgur.com/qcQI6Jj.png
[deleted] ยท 1325 points ยท Posted at 15:10:43 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Probably a dumb question but, What does the signal say?
DemureCynosure ยท 3655 points ยท Posted at 15:44:35 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)*
Hey bud! There are no dumb questions; if you don't ask, you won't learn!
So the signal doesn't "say" anything. It's a radio signal, and "radio" is part of the electomagnetic spectrum -- just like ultraviolet, infrared, visible, x-ray, gamma, etc. It's light!
Now, for a signal to "say" something, it has to be modulated. "Modulation," in signal terms, is a really complicated way of saying "modify." The easiest way to modulate a signal, for instance, is just to turn it on and off. This is what Morse Code is! It's just a signal that by turning off-and-on, has become a list of dots and dashes -- beep beep booop beep boooop. The more advanced ways to modulate a signal are amplitude modulation (changing the heights of the peaks of the waves), which we use to broadcast the picture on TV signals, and frequency modulation (the "compression" or "expansion" of the wave), which we use to transmit the sound on TV signals.
So, all that being said, this signal is not modulated. It's just a big, fat lump. Why is it exciting? It's exciting because it's such a huge lump! It's the equivalent to maybe this idea: you've went outside at night with your son, you're holding his hand, he's seeing fireflies for the first time, and you're both excited and pointing off at these little blips of bug-butts in the distance whenever they randomly, spontaneously pop into existence. Then, suddenly, someone shines a huge flood light right in your face. You squeeze your kid's hand too hard, and you yell "WOW!" Your kid gets mad at you after that and stomps off because you've squeezed his hand so hard, but that's not part of the analogy.
In a similar way, SETI was picking up lots of really weak signals, and getting excited about them here and there, and suddenly they got hit in the chest with a bowling ball. Now, I've built you up about why it was exciting; to take you back down, and just keep a scientific perspective, the problem becomes that the SETI "wow" signal came in very, very close to the 21cm line -- 1420 MHz. For Astronomers, this is the most significant frequency in the Universe for two reasons: One, because it's the frequency at which Hydrogen emits after a particular kind of electron transition. (If you went to know more about that or get an explanation, you can just reply here or send a message or go to one of the ask science sub reddits.) Two, (and more importantly for Astronomers) 1420 MHz signals don't get dissipated by dust. There's a really small amount of dust per volume in space, but there's a tremendous amount of volume between us and anything we're trying to see -- so that means there's an awful lot of dust in the universe . It adds up fast. Other signals get beaten down by dust over time, so, to be honest, we don't quite know what the Universe looks like in other wavelengths past certain distances because of light extinction. We have some really good ideas and theories! And those get tested sometimes! But, it's kind of like a partially-blind guy trying to paint a picture of a landscape. He can get the general idea, he's seen trees up close so he has some concept of how the trees should be drawn, etc, but it's very difficult for him to actually observe what he needs in order to paint a clear picture -- but then there's the sun, the 21cm line, and he can definitely make that out with no problems.
So, Astronomers love the 21cm line, but ... it's the line where observe Hydrogen, the most common atom in the Universe ... and this signal came in really, really close to the 21cm line. In fact, when the data was reduced (unfortunately, none of us can think like a computer -- so you have to do lots of signal processing and math on these signals to get anything we'd understand out of it, and any time you start playing with the original signal, you start introducing "error") by two different people, they got two different numbers -- straddling the 21cm line on either side. This is a tremendous hint that the signal was probably natural in origin, and it's possible that there's just some new, powerful, natural phenomenon that we haven't discovered yet. I hope that helps!
EDIT: Hey friends! Some kind and knowledgeable folks (very correctly) point out that I misspoke when I said "the signal is not modulated." I should have said, waving my hands like a magician, "the error was too large to determine modulation." In truth, we do not know if the signal was modulated or not because of the time-scales over which we observed them. (If you want to know more about this, I can try to explain -- but fair warning, it's going to be very hard for me to make signal processing exciting or interesting.) I wrote up a quick explanation of some ELI5 science, got excited and had fun with it, and then forgot to dot my i's and cross my t's before I clicked submit. Please accept my apology if this has caused anyone dismay!
[deleted] ยท 2069 points ยท Posted at 16:14:55 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
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OldWolf2 ยท 30 points ยท Posted at 22:54:37 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
One of the default subreddits. /r/explainlikeimfive
MeisterX ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:30:27 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Space program that looks for 5 year old aliens I believe.
[deleted] ยท -7 points ยท Posted at 22:55:52 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
lmgtfy
bobbym47 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:49:29 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
holy shit how did you do that? You spook.
bobbym47 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:50:11 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
oh its just a website... fuck you then.
Phlecks ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:15:41 on December 18, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Seriously. I liked it before when ELI5 used analogies that CHILDREN would understand. Made it far more interesting.
Cytosen ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 04:38:45 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I don't know, if I was 5 i wouldn't understand any of that.
[deleted] ยท -30 points ยท Posted at 17:16:40 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 31 points ยท Posted at 18:29:39 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:22:49 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
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OzymandiasBitch ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:04:09 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Not my case :( Last final this Tuesday. I should be studying...
harrychronicjr420 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:35:03 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
sucks
pdpwns ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 19:24:49 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I'm 5 and am now a master of radio signals
Da_poo ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 20:11:44 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I'm high and easily amused
kkk_is_bad ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 20:20:02 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
His last sentence sums it up. Really interesting. Something is around but we can't perceive it with our own consciousness.... but it's still (fucking) around somewhere somehow.
[deleted] ยท -61 points ยท Posted at 22:11:21 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 22:41:21 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
It's a place to explain complex things in simple ways. sure some of the questions there are getting kind of stupid and obvious, but it's still a decent subreddit
Lemurrific ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 23:04:12 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Not to mention accurately dumbing down something super complex so anyone can understand it isn't easy. It's really a good compliment...
Coolgrnmen ยท -6 points ยท Posted at 22:49:15 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
tl;dr version?
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DemureCynosure ยท 1491 points ยท Posted at 16:25:02 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Actually, yes. That is my background -- and I almost said that, but thought it was just extraneous information and there was so much that had to be said already. Plus, Facts are more important than the Source.
Avocet330 ยท 190 points ยท Posted at 17:17:55 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)*
Actually (especially in an online environment) the source is one of the most important pieces of information we have to evaluate the trustworthiness of the facts. There are a lot of "facts" that get thrown around by questionable sources.
That said, I trusted you already based on some of my limited existing knowledge of this event, augmented by your level of detail and your well-thought/well-written explanation. Good work!
EDIT - I think this was explained poorly on my part, due to my lack of an important clarification. Please see my additional comments under DemureCynosure's response below.
RichiH ยท 25 points ยท Posted at 00:01:36 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
The source can be made up a lot easier than a reasonably sciency story.
Source: I am a dinosaur.
KevZero ยท 25 points ยท Posted at 01:03:31 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I did my PhD in Internet Verifacology at MIT, and this is absolutely correct. It's even on wikipedia, I just can't find the link atm (on my phone, sorry).
verissimus473 ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 04:49:11 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I'm with the NSA, I can verify he is on his phone at the moment.
Shaper_pmp ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 12:12:22 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
That's not a real source, though - it's a further unverified, unsupported assertion.
When people write "Source: I'm a <whatever>" it was originally supposed to be a joke, because that's no legitimate, appropriate citation at all. It's basically saying "I'm either lying or I'm actually an authority on this, but you'll have to look it up yourself and independently verify what I wrote to be sure either way because I can't be bothered to provide citations".
RichiH ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:23:34 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Not quite. Great-grandparent asked what he was, grandparent simply stated that this was his background.
I know what proper sources are, but my point was precisely that in this case, a source is useless.
Source: I am a source.
RichiH ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:22:42 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Eddit: Dinosaurs are easily confused and thus I answered to the wrong post.
DemureCynosure ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 03:34:09 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I do understand what you're saying. Someone with 2 PhD's from MIT or Harvard should have her words poured over and scrutinized more carefully than a 10 year old who's angry.
My meaning was strictly within the context of "science," though. With science, my name shouldn't mean anything. What I say should matter. I have to prove my (scientific) point with equal veracity, whether I'm Albert Einstein or Jules Verne. Therefore, my Facts should speak for themselves -- independent of the speaker.
I do understand that, in different fields, this is not always the case -- such as history. I'm going to write more on this later, I think, as it seems to be controversial and I realized now that it's not nearly as axiomatic or "self-evident" as I thought. I owe an explanation.
Avocet330 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:59:24 on December 16, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, I see where you're coming from now and I agree with what you're saying. Within the context of science and a community in which peers can converse at the same technical level, facts and proof are certainly the only things that matter.
In this context, where many of those reading your post may not understand the technical side of the question and are therefore reliant on your expertise to put it into layman's analogies and explanations, we must find some way to evaluate the truth of what you say (one such method is to evaluate the source).
That said, I should have been more clear in my own post, as I too was speaking to a different context - a simple "astrophysicist here" in a Reddit post is clearly no proof of anything (others have plainly and perhaps humorously pointed out that I failed to specify that). My post wasn't meant to imply that a simple comment like that would cause implicit trust, it was meant to convey that sources aren't irrelevant online. (I think you understand that, so this is mostly to clarify my comments for anyone else who reads them)
I would have to give this more thought, but since you seem like a rational person who would enjoy thinking about this too, I would say that four primary methods of determining some measure of believability in a context like this include:
1 - The source is someone you know or trust personally to tell you the truth (which, to clarify, is synonymous with being correct. Innocent misinformation cannot simultaneously be the truth, no matter the sincerity of the belief in the validity of the information)
2 - The source has provided proof that he/she is an expert or has had his/her statements vetted by other experts (eg. some chain of connections between an online profile and a professional profile or body of work, etc. I can understand why most people would not do so online, however)
3 - The information/data is consistent with the reader's own knowledge, however limited.
4 - If applicable, arguments are logical and consistent.
Anyway, it sounds like we've both understood each other now and perhaps we have also both appreciated this exchange.
EDIT - formatting
DemureCynosure ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:15:41 on December 17, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I like what you said. I have to give this more thought; but my initial reaction is to say that you're right in a lot of ways. I was thinking from a very theoretical, hypothetical, perfect-world sense and not from a practical, everyday, applicable sense. The problem I've found with posting online, in this case to Reddit, has always been one of "to which audience should I speak," and this thought seems to play right into that. Again, I'll have to give this more thought.
tollforturning ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:09:30 on December 26, 2013 ยท (Permalink)*
I think of it in terms of channels. The value of the name of a "great thinker" is that it helps identify and isolate a valuable channel of questions, descriptions, insights, discoveries, judgments, etc. The "person" in this case is not different from the unity of an ordered pattern of cognitive events and effects. We give it a name without needing to attribute the power of understanding to the name. We study an intellectual biography to gain some insight into how the conditions associated with the name were drawn up into the process of knowing.
The same could be said of certifications, titles, etc.
The_Doctor_Explains ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 22:46:40 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Source?
shieldvexor ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 02:39:27 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Jesus when he rode the T-Rex to Antarctica.
TheAbominableSnowman ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 05:14:01 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Pretty sure that was Australia, bud. You're gonna have to cite a reference.
shieldvexor ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:20:16 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
The Third Testament of the Bible.
214704 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 00:40:54 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
On the internet, even sources can be fabricated.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:11:40 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
. . . source: Heritage Foundation.
SpaceSteak ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 21:30:16 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Though one could argue that the fact, the actual true piece of potential knowledge being analyzed, is more important than who and what discovered it. So, he's not technically wrong, which is the best kind of right.
The source is very important, however, in as much as it can be trusted to give the best answer possible based on all existing knowledge.
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DillDeer ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:33:54 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Damn, 2 Reddit Golds in the same thread? Applause
Tyrone91 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:53:43 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Sorry, since he deleted his comment, what is your background? How do you know all this information? The way you explained it almost made me think a teacher or professor.
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Tyrone91 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:54:37 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
You know, I know a little bit about supermassive black holes. That's where several black holes have combined right?
CletusInterruptus ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 17:16:55 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
We need to trust the source first, so credentials are great! Thanks for taking the time to do this!
DementedJ23 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:22:41 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
to be fair, source is how we identiy if facts are reliable. thanks for that explanation, btw!
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DemureCynosure ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 17:28:55 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Hey friend!
I'm sorry, I have to run out the door right now to meet people for plans, but I really want to respond to this when I come back. I think I understand where our misunderstanding is, and I would love to talk with you some more about the philosophy behind science, and how it differs from other disciplines, and offer some more depth behind what I meant by this one-liner! Yes! I'm excited!
TyPower ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:10:39 on December 16, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
One important fact you forget to mention in your otherwise excellent summarization of the WOW signal is the duration of the signal.
72 seconds.
Exactly the time predicted by SETI for an interstellar transmission due to the arc distance between the receiving dishes.
I thought this was an important fact about the WOW signal that further points to its non solar system origin.
Bad_Facts ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 23:30:45 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I disagree that Facts are important.
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ubercanucksfan ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 21:18:24 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
So do you happen upon all this by chance or do you have something to tell you when you're mentioned?
xblaz3x ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:15:15 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
When you have reddit gold, you get alerts when someone tags with /u/. What's weird though is that unidan wasn't tagged. Not sure about this one unless you're notified without the /u/. That'd be pretty aggravating though if you had a common username haha.
DemureCynosure ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:47:20 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I just happened upon all of it. Most of the time I'm just a lurker. Normally by the time I get to the science questions, they've been answered very thoroughly by scientists already. This is the first time I'd been able to stumble upon a science question that hadn't been answered! Very exciting stuff!
Pitchcontrol ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 20:51:54 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
DemureCynosure, you have been blessed by Reddit's Jesus Christ
[deleted] ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 20:45:43 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
You'll never see this but I have a crush on you.
Unidan ยท 24 points ยท Posted at 21:10:29 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Oh well, it's a shame I'll never see it. :(
trafalmadorians ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:13:05 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
you know you don't blush - you are de MAN! :)
theycallmecarl ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:06:39 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I wish I was reddit famous...
tokerdytoke ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:23:21 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Haha teach me some cool shit, Carl
Rerisham ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 17:39:34 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Just wanted to say, you're absolutely amazing, and pepole like you are why I got into science in the first place. Please never stop!
DemureCynosure ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:23:58 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Thank you very much!
I got into science for a few reasons, but one of them was because I had a high school Biology teacher that believed engaging students in science and taking them on a fun journey is so much more important, in the long run, than having them blindly memorize. As a side note, anyone he spoke with, the first thing he would say to them is, "Well friend ... may I call you friend?" and then he'd continue his thought. I call people friend a lot now in honor of him.
ze_mad_scientist ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:00:05 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I wish I had professors like you in college. Thank you for making my day. Not only because of the way you explained the topic but also, you seems like a really awesome person. Hope you have a great day, friend!
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mypantsareonmyhead ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:27:37 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah me too. This guy rocks, we're keeping him around.
Obnoxious_liberal ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 17:07:08 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
People like you make me wish I had studied science. If I wanted to go back to school now for physics or something similar I would have to start at the very beginning.
sailthetethys ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 19:26:19 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
It's never too late, dude! I took an intro geology class the semester before I graduated with my fine arts degree - ended up re-enrolling and starting from scratch. That was 5 years ago, I'm working on my master's thesis now.
Best decision I ever made, science is fucking awesome. Sometimes at an outcrop I'll unearth a fossil of a cephalopod and think "This little squid guy was alive 450 million years ago and I am the first human being in existence to see it and hold it in my hand" and it will honestly make me tear up.
Obnoxious_liberal ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:36:25 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Im 31 and 2/3 into a MPA. I would have to start at Algebra and go from there. It would take a decade to get to master level physics courses.
soveraign ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:24:24 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I got tired of my previous profession and opted to pursue a phd when I was 30. I first had to get a new b.s. THEN get in the phd program. I just turned 40 and I have about six months left on my phd. It has been an awesome ten years. Yeah finances were rough at times and I did take a break in there but I love what I do!
I partly decided I wasn't too old because I remember when my dad graduated with his engineering degree. He was 40 and later retired as a VP.
Much in life is possible when you're not held down by societal norms.
sailthetethys ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:42:46 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Hey, you're the same age as me! I totally understand your reasoning; it's the main reason I didn't pursue a PhD. Taking all the math for the first time in a decade was hell, too. I made it to Calc which I'm pretty sure was invented to ruin the average person's day.
Obnoxious_liberal ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:51:03 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
My gf is getting a second BS in civil engineering. The math she studies blows my mind. It might as well be written in Martian. Im still not convinced its real.
pointlessbeats ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 17:27:49 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I think you're underestimating just how much you excited me about our universe and made me want to go learn ten thousand other things as cool as that thing you just explained. It was awesome.
MIDItroll ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:04:30 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
A Short History of Nearly Everything by Bill Bryson will teach you those ten thousand other things.
DemureCynosure ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:50:52 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I absolutely LOVE "A Short History of Nearly Everything!" I'd completely forgotten that I used to listen to that all the time. Thanks so much for reminding me about this!
I cosign his recommendation.
pointlessbeats ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:11:06 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Aw haha yeah I've already read that. I was hoping there'd be more books out there in the same vein.
DemureCynosure ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:20:04 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Keep me updated on what you're interested in or learning! Post some questions to the science-y groups or AskReddit. I'm going to make a multi for those soon.
I'm still brand new to Reddit and figuring things out, myself!
RealNonimous ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:31:51 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Dude, you are probably the smartest person I have ever seen on reddit.
DemureCynosure ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:44:22 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not sure how many people on Reddit you've seen, but I can promise I'm not the smartest person here. I just like explaining things to people in a way that they'll get that really cool, almost magical, "ooh yeaah" lightbulb look. I love that! But I'm not the guy writing the book -- I'm just the guy giving you the book report. But thank you for the kind thought!
xNyxx ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:54:00 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Please keep posting and sharing your knowledge!
yunith ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:13:24 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Anything Sciencey has always been hard for me, but your genuine enthusiasm pulled me in, and your explanation was simple and easy enough for someone like me, who struggled to get a B- in chem, to understand. You make me want to learn. :)
SomeDonkus1 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:04:32 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Hey, if people give you enough gold, you'll be able to go around reddit being summoned and answering space-related questions just like Unidan. Maybe we can eventually get scientists from all sorts of different fields to do the same, and it'll be like a reddit science Justice League!
DemureCynosure ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:54:34 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I call dibs on wearing a cape.
ed_couser ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:16:09 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
you mean "public sciencing"?
joshing_slocum ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:25:29 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Like it or not, you are a Unidan Jr. Unbelievably great answer, and thank you. You would be terrific as a teacher/professor.
shlack ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 16:28:52 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
So I understood nearly everything you said (thanks for the amazing answer), but why is it that hydrogen 'emits' anything? Is it just how photons are after they have 'bounced' off of a hydrogen atom (or emitted, or however photons work)? Is it essentially the 'color' of a hydrogen atom?
Edit: Is it anything to do with spectral lines?
DemureCynosure ยท 69 points ยท Posted at 17:17:21 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I'm so glad you asked that! You took my bait and have fallen for my trap! ah-HA!
Spectral lines are a very, very interesting talking point and I'm happy you found that on Wiki -- but let me build up to those.
Let me set the stage and get us all on the same wavelength (HA! Science joke!) and using the same lingo. Atoms are surrounded by electrons that are in very nicely defined orbitals (for Advanced folks out there, please don't judge me too much for any slips between Classical and Quantum theories for an ELI5 explanation). We usually think of an orbital as being a distance, but let's think of it as being Energy for right now. So, electrons swirl around atoms at different orbitals, with defined Energy values for each orbital. The other thing to keep in mind: frequency is the important characteristic of light for this explanation. Frequency is how we differentiate "gamma" from "microwave" from "visible."
So, we have this nice atom sitting there and along comes a photon of light. Electrons that are in space will interact with light and rarely care about the actual frequency; but when an Electron is locked into an Energy Orbital of an Atom, then the Electron becomes an outright snob. The orbiting Electron only wants to interact with very certain wavelengths of light -- and the wavelengths of light that an Electron will interact with are determined by the Energy of the orbital.
Let's say it's our lucky day, though, and a photon of exactly the right wavelength has come along to woo our prospective Electron. When they meet, the Electron gets excited much as you would be excited if a whole parade of celebrities were walking past your house and then your celebrity crush, specifically, came and knocked on your door to surprise you. (My celebrity crush would be Alice Eve or Michelle Rodriguez.)
So, the Electron has his hopes up! He's so excited that Alice Eve, the photon, has knocked on his door! He runs over and hugs her, and they both jump up and down excited because they've finally met and they're so in love! They walk everywhere holding hands, everything is magical. They have a hamster named Puppy and a puppy named Hamster together! (This is my analogy and I'll dream as much as I want to with it.) We then say that the Electron has absorbed the photon.
When we view this from the lab, what we see is a bunch of photons of all different frequencies going into a cloud of gas, then most of those photons coming out the other side -- minus photons of very specific frequencies. We get an absorption spectrum.
Then, at some point, the relationship just loses it's luster. What started out as great can be no more -- and eventually they grow distant. The electron and Alice Eve the photon stop holding hands. The electron gets sad, and knocks back down to his old Energy level; and Alice Eve goes on about her way, but not with the rest of her celebrity parade. She's not sure where they went; so she just goes off into a random direction.
In the lab, we see this as the lines (that are missing from the previously explained absorption spectrum) in an Emission Spectrum.
It turns out that because of the snobby nature of Electrons in orbitals, every atom, element, compound, whatever, in the Universe all has a very specific Absorption/Emission Spectrum -- just like fingerprints. We can identify what an element is, sitting way out in space, just based on it's Emission spectrum (Emission is way more common to observe, because it's really more about just what angle you're observing things from.) and from knowing its redshift. Redshift is a whole other topic that's really interesting, but if you want to know more about that, we'll have to go into a separate discussion at another time.
So, to recap, Hydrogen emits because it's been excited and then spontaneously de-excites. Frequency is how we characterize light on the Electromagnetic Spectrum, and every atom absorbs/emits photons at specific frequencies -- so you can think it as being the "color" of an atom, although color is generally reserved for frequencies in the visible portion of the spectrum.
Did that answer your question? I might have started to get off topic. I'm about to head out but I wanted to answer your question before I left!
sailthetethys ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 19:19:17 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
God, I have such a brain crush on you right now. I've been struggling to make sense of this for a while (I've taken a few upper level graduate classes that touch on the subject and operate an SEM), and this is the first time it's really clicked for me.
DemureCynosure ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 07:02:47 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Are you talking to me, or God?
What area were your graduate classes in? I'm assuming they weren't Physics but I'll take a stab in the dark and guess Chemistry or Geology? I used to operate an SEM, too, back when I did undergrad research. How are you doing with understanding the SEM and how/why it works?
sailthetethys ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:49:17 on December 19, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I forgot to reply to this! Yeah, I'm a geology grad student so most of my classes were in that. One was a Chem class called Advanced Microscopy that really went into detail on the SEM (and other microscopes) and how they work. It was usually taught by the microscope tech who made it very accessible to students in other disciplines, but because he and I were at the same level education-wise, the professor decided to take over. In his mind, if you were taking a graduate level chemistry class, then you should have the background knowledge of a person with an undergraduate chemistry degree. So he refused to waste the time of those who had all the background knowledge by catching those of us without a strong chem background up to speed (kind of unfortunate since out of the 3 students, only one was a chem major). A lot of it was over my head and I spent a lot of time playing catch-up; had I not already known how to run the SEM there's no way I would've made it through that class. The other non-major dropped.
Sorry, that was a silly rant. Long story short, I know a bit about the SEM. An electron beam excites the sample which causes it to emit xrays or secondary electrons (or causes electrons to bounce off of it). And I've learned the precise reasons for why it works, but I have trouble getting that knowledge to stick.
cobber2005 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:04:00 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Are you a pantheist? Pantheism is the idea that God is the universe. If so, or if not, I invite you to /r/pantheism
shlack ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:27:54 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
that answered my question, and then some! Thanks so much, I've actually been wondering about spectral lines for quite some time and now I completely understand them, thanks again!
DemureCynosure ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:19:17 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
My pleasure!
Eggstirmarinate ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:37:53 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Please come back later and go into what redshift is. You had me completely caught up in this.
Tarantio ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 20:12:05 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not nearly so eloquent, but perhaps I can help you here. If you know what the Doppler effect is, you know what red shift is, as well as its partner blue shift.
Y'see, one of the things we can know about waves (be they electromagnetic waves, like light, or sound waves) is the wavelength- the distance between the peaks of the wave. If the peaks come faster, the signal has a higher energy, so we hear a higher pitch, or see a color closer to blue. Likewise, the slower the peaks come, we'd hear a lower pitch or see a color closer to red.
The shift comes into play when whatever is making the the wave starts to move. You know how if you're standing by the side effects of the road and a car passes you, you hear a higher pitch as the car approaches, and then a lower pitch after it passes you? That's because the wavelength, the distance between the peaks in the wave, gets a little shorter if the thing making the wave gets closer to you in between sending those peaks, and a little longer if it's getting further away. That's called the Doppler effect; we can notice it in our day to day lives because things like cars can move like ten percent of the speed of sound, changing the wavelength we hear by that percent (if it's heading straight toward or away from you).
The same thing happens to light when whatever is emitting that light is moving at a different speed and/or direction than the earth. Galaxies moving towards the earth look a little more blue, and galaxies moving away from the earth look a little more red. The speed of light is so fast that we wouldn't notice this with things on earth like cars, but astronomical bodies move fast enough that it makes a difference to our detectors.
Keep in mind that this is entirely subjective- your friend a quarter mile down the road hears the car's sound at a lower pitch than you do while the car is between you. It all depends on the relationship between the sender and the receiver.
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[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:22:55 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
True dat:
Now - if he can just ELI5 string theory, he'd be the one true god.
GreatestQuoteEver ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:41:42 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I wish you would write a science book for kids. Great explanations, makes me want to go back to school.
DemureCynosure ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 07:07:18 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
A friend and I once dreamed up a non-profit organization where we'd travel to schools, teach particular sections of the kids curriculum with hands-on demos (truly hands-on being the cornerstone of our idea) where the demos were completely assembled from house-hold items (we wanted to encourage kids to tinker), and eventually expand it into a full hands-on kids science museum. We tossed the idea back and forth, had a name, started organizing lessons and got up to the "point of no return" when real life set in. Things happened, we both had really pressing things to take care of, and then we never went back to the idea.
Maybe one day, though!
GreatestQuoteEver ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 08:42:46 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Well, we've got you here. :D Thank you and wish to hear more from you in the future, I hope one day you can follow through with your project.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:09:49 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
You wrote this in your previous explanation:
Why is that? Shouldn't it be scattered by interstellar hydrogen that absorbs it?
DemureCynosure ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:10:41 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Hey, friend!
I just realized I accidentally skipped over this question. This was a hand wave of mine. Yes, dust interacts with the 1420 MHz. The language that gets used, though, is that it does not "appreciably interact." Light can interact with material in a lot of ways -- it can get scattered, reflected, absorbed. Referring to interstellar dust/gas/debri, when the wavelength of light is very, very short, the light will strip away electrons; a little longer wavelength and the electron will absorb it and jump energy levels; a little longer (microwaves) and the size of the particle/dust grain starts becoming a point of interaction with redirections, like reflection. In other words, dust wants to interact with light that has shorter wavelengths. Once you get into the radio regime, you've now exhausted a ton of the "most probable mechanisms for interaction." So interactions do happen, and we do lose some of the original signal from that -- but it's a small loss just based on sheer numbers.
Also, neutral hydrogen (HI) will interact with 1420 MHz emission, but H2 (two hydrogen atoms bonded together) will not.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:32:52 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
OK, I got the impression (not just from your comment but also from things I've read elsewhere) that 1420MHz was especially "clear" compared to its neighbors. If it's just that it's an emission line that happens to be relatively free from absorption compared to heavier elements, that makes much more sense. Your comment on H2 not having the same absorption also helps, because interstellar hydrogen would of course not be H but H2.
mesquirrel ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 16:23:08 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
You're a cool dude.
unicornanalrapist ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 16:27:16 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
You're an awesome person.
onowahoo ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 16:26:02 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Amazing post, you are very knowledgable and have a great way explaining.
Since this isn't modulated, how is this any different then if we were to get hit with say a gamma ray burst from a pole of a black hole? Just a different part of the EM spectrum. Seems like something to be expected given the vast amount of energy out there.
DemureCynosure ยท 25 points ยท Posted at 16:32:29 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Thanks, friend!
Actually, it's incredibly similar to that, in terms of just "receiving a huge signal." What differs is the duration -- 72 seconds, never to be seen again. The other differing point is the wavelength. We just don't see spikes in the 21cm line of that magnitude. Again, that hints to a natural mechanism -- but I can't answer any more specific than that, because we really don't know.
A lot of really smart people tossed this data point around for awhile and tried to make sense of it. But, it's one data point. It hasn't popped up again. Science is about getting lots of data points, and more importantly, getting those data points using as many techniques as possible. If we can observe the same thing, again and again, and replicate that no matter which way we choose to observe it, then we can convince ourselves it's really happening and not some artifact of our equipment, sensors, computers, code, math, etc etc. Since this is only one data point, no matter how cool it is, people just lost interest. If we ever observe anything like it again, there'll be a huge flurry to understand it and try to fit it into our current paradigm somehow.
tnp636 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 18:28:58 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Here's a question. Why do you feel that the signal at that wavelength "hints to a natural mechanism"? My understanding has always been that it would be a natural wavelength to use (and monitor) if we ever wanted to try interstellar transmissions.
I'm inclined to agree that it is most likely the result of a natural emission of some sort, but do you have some additional information that cements that to some degree beyond healthy skepticism?
DemureCynosure ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:16:52 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Hello!
I want to answer this, but I'm afraid I'm too sleepy to answer it as completely as I would like to right now. If I remember, I'll try to come back and answer this more thorough. But for now, please accept a very simple, fast response -- Occam's Razor.
I never like leaving off with just that, but I didn't want you to think I'd forgotten about you.
Enderer ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:10:19 on December 29, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I too would be very interested in a more elaborated answer as to why it would most likely be natural. I agree with an occams approach but I don't know of any further supporting rationale. Then again this is not my field really, hence my curiosity :D
MadAtHubby ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:47:22 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
This is an even better explanation, at least for me. Thanks so much for taking what is, essentially, a foreign language for most of us and putting it in laymen's terms.
DemureCynosure ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:16:26 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
No problem! I understand that the hindrance for a lot of people is just the pure, heady, self-referencing, show-offy "language" of science; so I like to make science more accessible by removing the language barrier. Thanks for your thanks!
TurpleHow ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 21:17:36 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Excellent response. As someone who's recently been doing some 21cm radio astronomy, I'd like to see if I can explain the 21cm line.
Hydrogen consists of two particles, a proton and an electron, and each of these particles has a property called spin. There's a lot of quantum mechanics involved with fully understanding spin, but you can instead just imagine each particle as an arrow either pointing up or down. How many ways can you choose the directions of each arrow? Four: up up, down down, up down, and down up. Physicists split these into two groups: parallel (both arrows point in the same direction) and anti-parallel (arrows point in opposite directions). Both types of arrangement are stable, but the anti parallel states are slightly more stable.
Imagine you have a couple of wood wedge blocks, and you want to stack them. You can stack them with both wedges pointing the same way, or the top wedge pointing opposite the bottom one. Both are stable, but the anti parallel one is less likely to fall apart, and is therefore more stable.
Now every once in a long, long time (~10 million years) a hydrogen atom in the parallel state will suddenly and without warning flip its setup into the anti parallel state. The atom is happy with its new setup, as it likes being as stable as possible. However, it needs to conserve energy, and its new state is a slightly lower energy level. So as the hydrogen undergoes this transition, it emits a light particle, called a photon, whose energy matches the energy difference between the states. The energy ledger is balanced, and everyone's happy.
What about that photon? Well, the energy levels of each state of hydrogen are very precisely known, which means the energy of the photon is precisely known as well. This energy corresponds with a light wave with a wavelength of ... about 21cm. Huzzah!
Zooming out a bit, this means that an excited hydrogen atom spits out a photon every ten million years. That's an awfully long time to wait. How can we ever hope to detect this light? The answer is that there is a LOT of hydrogen in the universe, so we end up seeing a very constant source of this 21cm radiation everywhere we look where there is hydrogen. This makes 21cm radiation very helpful in measuring, say, the temperature of the Sun, or the shape of the galaxy, but I won't get into how that works unless someone wants me to...
Apologies for the wall of text; hope someone finds this interesting :)
DemureCynosure ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:56:30 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Thanks for that, fellow Astronomy enthusiast! I had started to ear-mark some time tonight to write up a 21cm-line explanation, but this is really good! I might write one later still, since a ton of people have asked me about it; but I really like what you've written! It's very helpful.
What are you working on with radio astronomy? I mapped the arms of the Milky Way in 21cm at a 40" telescope at Green Bank on vacation once; but other than that, I've never done too much with radio.
TurpleHow ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:41:44 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Thanks for your kind words; I look forward to your update. :)
I was also working on mapping the galaxy: we took scans over 260 degrees of longitude, and figured out how to map it to locations in the galaxy (assuming a constant rotation curve, which isn't really accurate but it close enough to generate a picture).
We also overlaid our map on top of the map that Kerr, Oort and Westerhout generated in 1962 (which was some of the first evidence for the galaxy's spiral structure) and we agreed on the Perseus arm's location.
Here's an album of images: http://imgur.com/a/Ank5B
KingJulien ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:14:36 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
So the "Wow" signal would then be.... a whole lot of hydrogen? I guess I still don't understand what could have caused it even if it was at that frequency.
DemureCynosure ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:22:19 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I am neither confirming, nor denying that statement. I've just given you a good teaser to understand what all the fuss is about. There's still a ton more science involved, and without a model to explain the discrepancy (or more data points to reduce the error), there's not enough evidence to conclude that the signal is Hydrogen.
And if you don't understand what could have caused it, you're in very, very good company. No one else does, either. Which is part of why it's so cool!
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:28:29 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
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DemureCynosure ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 16:38:59 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Thanks so much for that, friend! I used to teach labs when I was a broke graduate student, so know I know exactly what you mean. Your comment made me smile, though, so that's payment enough! I hope your studies go well.
Hingle_McCringlebury ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:12:01 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Thanks! Just finished Conceptual Physics, and don't think I'll be able to look at our world in the same light. Learning about the spectral lines in light completely blew my mind. Your comment was right up the alley with our last couple chapters; radio waves are so interesting!
Brynjolf-of-Riften ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:40:16 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Are you Bill Nye?
DemureCynosure ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 07:56:40 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
If I were Bill Nye, would I answer that question or would I just ask you another question in return?
omrsafetyo ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:27:00 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I know enough to confirm you know what you're talking about, but little enough that I learned something. Great post!
DemureCynosure ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 16:39:46 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
My job here is done. I would fly away, but my winter cape is at the cleaners -- how embarrassing.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:38:12 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
This was such a fantastic and informative reply. Are you a teacher of some kind?
DemureCynosure ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:38:49 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Thank you very much! I have taught Physics/Astronomy before, yes; but that feels like so long ago now (not that I'm old). I really enjoy teaching. Sometimes I wish we lived in a society that valued teaching/education more. In another life, I would have liked to be a teacher though.
CODDE117 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:39:06 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Dude you just ELI5'd the crap out of that, nicely done! I understood why is was "Wow" but the rest of it was new to me.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 17:36:04 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
This attitude makes the world a better place. Kudos.
SketchBoard ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:12:49 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
If you'd excuse me, to piggyback on your wonderful explanation, as a SETI participant for the better part of almost 2 decades, the wow signal is a very 'wow' signal. It's almost as if you buy a lottery ticket for every point in the sky, not even knowing if there'll be a hit, and suddenly, WHAM. it's all alphabets instead of regular numbers. and we're all wtf? and we don't know the right lottery numbers to match against.
It'd be ideal if I could dig out the SETI boinc WoW signal spectra but I can't seem to find one in 5 minutes of google image search other than the regular background noise that we always get.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 05:23:23 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Small moves, Ellie, small moves.
Saru-tobi ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:42:36 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I like your enthusiasm! Thanks for the thorough explanation.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:43:45 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Replies like this make reddit just so worthwhile, and while I didn't ask the question I appreciate the answer. So thank you for making reddit great!
scaliacheese ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:45:17 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
For some reason, at the part where the dad says "WOW!", I started reading this in Christopher Walken's voice.
Jagair23 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:45:47 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Thank you for acknowledging to the fellow that there is no dumb question, for you helped explain the WOW signal to a lot of us who have probably heard of it and were interested in more details.
yes_its_that_bad ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:46:19 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I did not expect to be this interested or learn this much in this thread.
brainstorm42 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:46:54 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I almost tried scrolling past you, but my eye catched a word and I got hooked.
You are an excellent writer, please stay around!
lukin187250 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:51:29 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Thank you for the wonderful explanation and I loved how enthusiastic you were about giving it.
Gravytrainn ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:51:35 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Are you a teacher? Because you should be.
Troubles8 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:51:51 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Oh my god. I get it.
Wow!
river_chemistry ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:52:57 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Wow. I wish you were my science teacher :)
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:54:11 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
/r/bestof, now.
parthos1017 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:58:02 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
That comment was a joy to read. Thanks so much for breaking down a whole mess of science into easy to understand analogies, made my day! :)
Xanden2 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:02:57 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I wish I had friends that are into stuff like this. It's cool to me to hear theories like this one and have discussions about it. Sadly, if its not about games, pop culture, or random bullshit, they aren't interested.
cjr7 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:04:04 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Quite possibly the best explanation I've ever read on Reddit, thank you!
pag3ofp3ntacl3s ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:05:25 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I read your post in bill nye's voice.
Cloud_Garrett ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:13:57 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I bow down to you, good sir. This comment is so much win.
Gigatron_0 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:14:18 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Wish I could upvote you more than once. Really informative stuff
I_suck_at_mostthings ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:16:01 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
You are amazing at explaining things.
Morthyl ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:16:48 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Comments like yours are whats great about Reddit!
Thank you for providing masterfully explained information in such a charming fashion.
ScarletJew72 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:21:19 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
This was one of the most entertaining posts I've ever read on this site
DemureCynosure ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:27:33 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Thank you for your kind words!
RyanCantDrum ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:25:10 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
So I'm just going to ask it, could it be aliens?
DemureCynosure ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:25:58 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I'm going to give you the answer that I think any scientist would (... or I'll say "should"): it is within the realm of possibilities for the signal to be from aliens, and I have currently seen no evidence to discredit that hypothesis.
Note: That is not saying I think it's aliens. Just that yes, it's possible -- and to say that it's not possible isn't scientific.
darth_lasagna ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:25:39 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
This is one of the top 5 posts I've ever read on reddit. Thank you.
DemureCynosure ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:22:18 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Wow, thank you! That's quite a compliment you've tossed my way.
darth_lasagna ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:41:57 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Can't afford gold, though you deserve it =)
Skoolz ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:26:37 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
This is equally as exciting to me.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:26:57 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
/r/bestof
Leovinus_Jones ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:27:57 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Fantastic response
DemureCynosure ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:19:02 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Thank you for your positive feedback!
SorryNotSorry1337 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:27:59 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Submitted to /r/bestof. Hope you don't mind.
Edit: Ow, turns out you can't submit any entries from the default subreddits...what the hell?
DemureCynosure ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:18:51 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)*
Thank you so much!
Edit: It's the thought that counts! Thanks so much!
kostic ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:33:04 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Awesome response, quick question though, why is it that 1420 MHz signals are not affected by dust whereas other wavelengths are?
DemureCynosure ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:36:57 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Hey! I'm trying to sort through a ton of messages, but I wanted to get to this very quickly for you!
You've struck at a very important concept! It turns out that opacity (the property of a material to block electromagnetic radiation, or light) is a function of wavelength!
What does that all that fancy talk mean? It means that just because a material blocks certain wavelengths of light doesn't mean it blocks them all! It turns out that dust in the Universe just plain doesn't care about 1420 MHz signals.
Is this enough to answer your question or did I keep it too short?
CHAINSAW_GUTSFUCK ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:36:46 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Beep beep booop beep booop
DemureCynosure ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:24:57 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Please, people may be listening.
its_doughy ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:38:41 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Wow it seems like you really know your stuff! I was thinking though, maybe an alien race made the message close to 1420 MHz on purpose? Sort of like the Arecibo message that was sent via radio (and included the atomic number of hydrogen) maybe these aliens decided the best message that any species would understand was the radio frequency of hydrogen, but altered just a little so the receiving species would know something was up!
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:40:51 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Judging by your analogy, they should've called it the "AHH JESUS FUCK WHAT IS THAT!" signal.
md28usmc ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:47:15 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
The source is always important I think...helps to know that's your field of expertise! I'm glad people like you, /u/Unidan and others of the like are on here...I learn something new on the daily!
naturalwonders ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:55:44 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
If you had a blog or a podcast where you answered questions about science you would be a hit!! I would subscribe!
DemureCynosure ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:18:00 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I've thought about putting up a YouTube blog quite a few times now. I'll give this idea another ponder. Thanks for your feedback!
dab_life ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:55:50 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
thank you for explaining that. Off on a tangent now though because I feel like you will have a good answer for this. Do you think non-carbon based life can exist?
DemureCynosure ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:17:00 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I have to admit that it is completely within the realm of possibility -- though not necessarily probably.
However, sadly, I am by no means an expert on Astrobiology, or even all that knowledgeable on Chemistry, to explain to you why Carbon having four valence electrons or having fewer nucleons in its nucleus (making it lighter weight) or it's relative abundance (on Earth) are thought to make it the prevailing building block of life. But if you're interested, you should read up on "Carbon Chauvinism."
I've found you a good starting-place here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carbon_chauvinism
I hope that helps, and sorry that I'm not more informative here. I could spout my own personal opinions, but I wouldn't want to lead you astray by thinking I was giving you good science.
Bazek ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:17:53 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Commenting to read later
Vykrii ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:19:08 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
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BestUsernamesEndIn69 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:21:03 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Wanted to buy you redditAu for this comment but 2 people already beat me to it!! Rarely do people with such depth of understanding for complex disciplines explain so eloquently! You made my monkey brain understand intricacies of the WoW signal. So for that, fuck it here's some gold friend!
zombieozz ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:23:36 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
You had me at beep beep boop
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:25:05 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Outstanding post. Thank you!
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:25:10 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Dang, you killed this.
Mojotokin ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:48:56 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Great explanation. That was actually fascinating to read. Thanks.
DemureCynosure ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:02:29 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Thanks for the positive feedback! And you're welcome!
mallycat1026 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:03:26 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Thanks man!
DemureCynosure ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:01:38 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
You're welcome and, might I say, you're one cool cat.
SnatchAddict ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:08:20 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I just got excited. Nice prose!
DemureCynosure ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:01:13 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Thank you so much!
DrunkenArmadillo ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:28:08 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
It was just the sound of millions of people crying out in terror and being suddenly silenced.
danjenator ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:06:08 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
And 42 is the answer to the ultimate question of life, the universe, and everything. 42 is found within 1420 MHz and 21 is half of 42, so....
(I know this comment isn't "serious", but I couldn't stop myself.)
DemureCynosure ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:14:52 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
You don't have to worry about being serious all the time with me. I have my towel.
MissBabaganoosh ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:23:47 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
You are amazing! <3
DemureCynosure ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:15:42 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
You are a special and unique snowflake of special and unique specialness!
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:29:32 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Your analogies made the difference between me understanding the comment and not.
DemureCynosure ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:05:34 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Thanks!
Analogies are what I do -- sometimes it's hit or miss. I think math, Physics, Quantum Mechanics, etc, tend to scare people off because very knowledgeable people (with the best intentions) just talk too heady sometimes because they want to be "complete." I think my role is to find a way to relate complex material down to something everyday and understandable -- and that means I sometimes have to use a lot of hand-waving. I'm not held to the same standards/fire that other educators are held to, though, so for me if it gets people interested and learning more, I've won a small victory.
blauman ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:29:23 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Yesssssssssss!! As a fellow educator, it makes me happy when I see other people expressing the view of creating appreciation being the goal. I'm lucky to have had a teacher whose goal was that, and it changed my viewpoint from taking every chance to slag off math, to almost being in tears when seeing how beautiful it can be in revealing how nature works.
Creating appreciation for an area should be stressed more as the goal of education!
I love listening to Startalk, and in one episode Neil Tyson talks about the problem of bad grades putting people off science, which you might find interesting.
Rock on, man; studying the world around us is universally appreciable by all (regardless of nationality, ethnicity, gender) and should be used more as way of bringing people together (rather than what sports, music or TV shows others like).
enjoytheshow ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:33:07 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I learned ten times more reading this comment than I did in my Data Communications class I just wrapped up Tuesday.
DemureCynosure ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:17:03 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Data Communications? What types of information do you learn in that class? Is that like signal processing?
enjoytheshow ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:22:16 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)*
We learned about signal processing, transport, modulation, frequency, amplitude, blah blah all that shit at the physics level in the first half of the semester that was a snoozer for me. I like hands on. And then we moved on to more advanced but higher level networking subjects. Like different network and transport level protocols and how they work and all that crap. I'm a senior Computer Information Systems major already with a job as a database admin so I did not give a shit about this stuff but we were required to take it.
Saintzillla ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:39:23 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Your enthusiasm made my day.
DemureCynosure ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:02:13 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
My enthusiasm making your day has just made my day! Go, team!
Saintzillla ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:08:17 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Excellent team work everyone. Really, great job out there.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:44:06 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
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DemureCynosure ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:01:50 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Thank you for your kind words! You have just earned a special little place in my heart! In lieu of gold, please have this small token of my affect --> <3
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:46:20 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
(In a space travelers deep, epic voice)... Off to /r/bestof !!!
DemureCynosure ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:00:35 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
You're too kind, Deep, Epic Voiced friend. Too kind!
Barnowl79 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:20:04 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Tagged as "Unidan of Space"
DemureCynosure ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:23:14 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
You're too kind. I tried to tell my friends that I got compared to Unidan, but no one understands.
Coeliac ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:29:50 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Your explanation makes me wish that we had built a transmitter of similar power and used the same frequency (to avoid all that radio blocking space-dust) and sent out a signal that is rhythmic and has varied intervals; a kind of "hey we're here! we have some intelligence!" to the nearby space in hopes that one day another civilization may repeat our signal if they pick it up. If we received a signal like that ourselves, I would have hoped we send back the identical signal with our own bit tagged on.
I'm guessing the signal travels at lightspeed and if that were of extraterrestrial source it would be a long time ago it was sent? (I get it's more likely a reaction between matter, but hey; let a man dream).
DemureCynosure ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:24:33 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
(Your guess about the signal traveling at light speed is dead on -- light travels at light speed! And you are spot-on about the signal most likely being old.)
Sorry that I don't have longer to reply to this. I'm only at my computer for a few minutes before heading out again. But I wish I had more time to think of a good "Contact" reference here.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:34:36 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
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DemureCynosure ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:48:56 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Hey! Just sat back down to my computer for a second and this is the first comment I saw. I actually am in the process of writing a book right now, so your comment is very encouraging and very well-timed! I sure hope you like fiction novels involving zombies and MacGyver-style science!
showmethestudy ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:55:59 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
This is a fantastic explanation. I hope you teach in some capacity.
DemureCynosure ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 23:27:48 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
My original dream was to teach and I went to grad school just so I'd be able to teach Physics on a college level. I think everyone has a gift, and I felt my gift was being able to relate complex subject matter to people through analogy and humor. I left grad school after about 2 years and never finished the PhD, though.
CyanideGatorade ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:53:17 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Well mate you do have a gift, and thank you for sharing it.
DrStalker ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:08:49 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
What makes the 21cm line better able to handle dust?
DemureCynosure ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:28:11 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I'd like to answer this question when I have more time later on.
tekn0viking ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:19:26 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I wish all this cryptocurrency mining that's going on would incorporate SETI or something. That would be sweeeeet
DemureCynosure ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:29:18 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
What is Cryptocurrency Mining? That sounds really interesting; but I have no idea what that is.
gvsteve ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 00:20:27 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)*
I'm glad you asked this so I can answer a question of yours, since you have been so informative with your answers :)
People have created an Internet-only currency called Bitcoin, and new Bitcoins are created when people can calculate a hash of (a hunk of data plus a random number) that is below a certain value. Since hashes are designed to be random, the only way to find such a hash below a target value is to use large amounts of computing resources to keep calculating millions of guesses at that random number.
Bitcoin, and some other knockoff cryptocurrencies, have become worth a lot of money lately.
People see the enormous amounts of electricity that is spent to "mine" Bitcoin in such a way and wonder if it couldn't be put towards something more useful, but it's not really possible to do so with Bitcoin, where the main objective is to keep from having any trusted central authority to verify anything.
DemureCynosure ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:50:57 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
That is very, very interesting. Thank you for that reply. I keep meaning to look more into Bitcoins, because I keep seeing them pop up everywhere, but I haven't had time yet. One day!
KingJulien ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:15:49 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Unfortunately, doing any kind of "useful" computations with mining breaks the security.
pmartin0079 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:27:04 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
If I wasn't a broke college student who spent all my money on xmas presents already, I'd bw buying you some gold.
DemureCynosure ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:18:20 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Thank you! I certainly hope you get some awesome presents this season. I'm hoping you get a pony. A combat pony.
BitchWidget ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:45:49 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Thank you!
DemureCynosure ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:01:02 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
You're welcome!
SkidMcmarxxxx ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:49:13 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I don't think I quite understand this 21cm line...
theblondereaper ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:59:28 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
If only you were the typical Yahoo Answers commenter, the world would be an infinitely better place.
DemureCynosure ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:00:45 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Whew. I cringe at those so often; but somehow they're always one of my top search hits on Google.
Etellex ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:01:20 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Shoutout to /r/nostupidquestions!
DemureCynosure ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:00:00 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I didn't know that was a sub. I'll give it a gander. Thanks for the heads up.
musicninja91 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:04:02 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I think this is the first time I read something complicated and science-y that I completely understood. That was absolutely fascinating.
DemureCynosure ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:59:42 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I firmly believe that anything is within anyone's grasp (with rare exceptions for disorders). It's usually just that people who are learning try to dive in too-deep too-fast, or that people who are teaching try to rush, or get frustrated too fast. I believe in patience; if someone is willing to put in the effort to learn, then I'm willing to put in the effort to find a way to relate it to them in a way they can grasp it.
OminousShadow ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:15:09 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I imagined Bill Nye's voice while reading this.
DemureCynosure ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:55:36 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
That's awesome. I grew up watching Bill Nye (Bill, Bill, Bill, Bill!). When I was in undergrad, I traveled (short distances) to watch him give public talks twice.
OminousShadow ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 09:25:39 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Now, that is awesome!
regretdeletingthat ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:19:59 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Which in my opinion is just as interesting as the idea of it being aliens! Much as I find the idea of UFOs being military test craft to be just as cool.
DemureCynosure ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:54:15 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I completely agree with you!
Fitzzz ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:12:56 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Some people here on reddit, such as you, make me wish I knew how to Science.
this_is_my_rifle_ ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:07:25 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
You're the best kind of person:)
StuNels ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:15:56 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Read it all, no regrets, lots of respect, thanks man :)
HeavySeasBreweryTour ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:17:41 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Thank you.
brandonttech ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:41:47 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
i signed into reddit just to upvote you
LocusHammer ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:42:55 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I just want to say thanks for offering one of the most informative reddit comments I've had the pleasure to read. I was right along with the guy asking why this radio signal was significant. Now I know! Super interesting!
numberthirteen ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:13:35 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
For one glorious moment I thought the message was "Hey bud! There are no dumb questions; if you don't ask, you won't learn!" I felt really good hearing that from a space alien, but now that I know it was said by a human, it's meaningless :<
Unclecavemanwasabear ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:50:38 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I felt such a rush of fondness for you as a person after reading that. Seriously, to take the time to break it down is so nice of you, and you do it so well. I have such a fascination with science, but often my relative lack of education on it is prohibitive to reading about it. So thank you very much.
msbeckett ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:08:28 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I read this in David Tennant/10's voice, and now I'm in love with you.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:23:26 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
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DemureCynosure ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:07:46 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Right back at'cha, buddy!
TheAwesomeJonesy ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:24:37 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Do you have job experience in this sort of thing or do you just read a lot?
DemureCynosure ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:43:01 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Hello, friend -- and might I say that's an Awesome name you have there.
Yes, I have direct experience. Back when I was a Research Assistant in grad school, my field of research was Active Galactic Nuclei (AGN) -- these supermassive black holes, millions to billions the size of our sun, that sit in the centers of distant galaxies. After that, I had a short-lived position at an observatory working on detectors to observe Quasars (a very specific kind of AGN).
Without giving too much detail, now I've moved on to working in a non-research area of science that's a lot more removed from Astronomy. I refer to myself as either a scientist or a Physicist, but hardly ever as an Astrophysicist (I think that title carries a certain connotation, and I don't like that kind of pressure. Whew!).
purevirtual ยท 224 points ยท Posted at 15:37:15 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Serious reply: The receiver was scanning the sky and recorded only the "power" of the signal. Since this was the 70s, recording equipment wasn't so great. The signal lasted the entire time that the receiver was pointed at that part of the sky, but when they tried to "hear" it again a while later by pointing back at that part of the sky it was gone. And it has never come back.
billwoo ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 15:52:12 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Pretty amazing that someone decided to stop pointing at that part of the sky while the signal was still there.
purevirtual ยท 38 points ยท Posted at 15:58:28 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Its a big dish that "Sweeps" across the sky, and someone goes back over the printouts (what is in the picture) and looks for "strong" readings, like what's circled.
The idea was that if there was a signal there, it would be there long enough (at least a day or two) to go back and really listen and record it. That still seems reasonable, and the short duration of the signal is one of the leading reasons to think it wasn't really a "signal" at all.
[deleted] ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 16:44:52 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
It only "sweeps the sky" because the earth rotates. The dish doesn't move in the reference frame of the earth.
[deleted] ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 17:47:40 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 18:06:38 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Remember, this was almost 40 years ago. Technology, and the number of radio telescopes, have progressed since then.
bacon_and_mango ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:07:18 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, exactly that.
When the experiment was designed and implemented they didn't allow for the detection or recording of the message - and thus missed out on the most amazing discovery ever made by mankind (probably/possibly). They did the experiment that they could on the budget that they had (it was a student project).
whatzen ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:38:32 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
It did detect and record the signal. The print out wasn't read until a few days later, remember that this was the 70s. Also, it was not a school project but part of SETI research.
bacon_and_mango ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:37:53 on December 16, 2013 ยท (Permalink)*
I said message, not signal. Sure the carrier signal was observed.
The difference is between "someone's broadcasting something on 909kHz" - and "oh, that's Eminem...".(no intent to patronise, I don't know to whom I am "talking").I didn't say that it was a school project. I was under the impression that observatory was (at least in part) built and run by students (it was built at the Ohio State University).
whatzen ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:33:13 on December 17, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Apoligies for misreading signal as message but no reason to patronise by explaining the difference. I thought, mistakingly, that people understood the signal did not carry any information.
If you wish, please feel free to share the source of it being a student project; I for one have no idea where you came up with that.
Drowned_In_Spaghetti ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 01:27:52 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)*
But the signal only lasted about a minute. (70-something seconds?) Surely the signal would've lasted longer?
Edit; The EARTH is rotating but since the Dish is rotating too, at the same speed, it could be out of range of the signal within that minute.
bacon_and_mango ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:08:24 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
72 seconds - that was the time that the Earth (or the telescope) was pointing in the right direction. Yes, it is reasonable to assume that the message/signal lasted more than 70 seconds.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:41:50 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
The dish is NOT rotating with respect to Earth. The signal only lasted a minute because it was NOT rotating. In fact, this particular dish is INCAPABLE of rotating. It can only look up and down and move side to side. It lasted 72 seconds because that's how long a particular point on the sky will be above the horn of the telescope as the earth rotates. The signal very likely did last longer, but because the earth is rotating and the dish cannot, the earth rotates the dish under the signal, keeps moving, and 72 seconds later, the signal is now hitting the ground outside of the dish.
aaaaaaaarrrrrgh ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 17:20:56 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Even if they noticed it immediately, it would have been hard to stop sweeping, since that would have required stopping the earth from rotating.
[deleted] ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 16:43:32 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
It's a fixed dish. Are you suggesting that people should have stopped the rotation of the earth to catch the signal?
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whatzen ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 18:33:42 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Unfortunately that is not possible. Here is a picture of the Big Ear radio telescope - it's stuck to ground. Telescopes come in different types, not just rotatable dishes.
sevensallday ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:23:51 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Rotate it around the circumference of the earth?
DigitalSpectrum ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:14:35 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Not just the rotation, but really if the signal was narrow and targeted, the revolution of the earth around the sun would be enough to move us out of it's range.
What they should have done is go back exactly 1 year later to find it.
whatzen ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:31:27 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
They did this and have done many years since. The problem is that the space is so vast that the origin cannot be pinpointed and due to measurement problems the exact location is in a huge range.
A signal that would not show up in the next day and only a year from now would have to be especially pointed at us and very powerful. This is unprobable and it is more likely a signal that is sent out in beacon fashion.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:43:13 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
From what I understand, it was not quick or easy to track a source on this type of telescope, and it wasn't operating in that mode anyway. Even if somebody had seen the signal in real time, I don't think there was an easy button to flip to change the tracking.
whatzen ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:33:42 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
That's right but they could have alerted other radio telescopes to it's location instead. Unfortunately in this case the print outs were not read until a few days later.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:40:10 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
This is not what happened.
RodriguezFaszanatas ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:00:50 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I think that is caused by the rotation of the earth.
thor214 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:43:07 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
From what I recall from E&S science in 9th grade, the ionosphere acts differently during the day (facing the solar wind) than it does at night (only cosmic rays/particles bombarding it from space). This is why you can pick up so overseas AM radio transmissions at night, but can only get local ones during the day.
Whether or not this has something to do with the phenomenon in question, I do not know.
Also, as others have already pointed out, the telescope is stationary, as it is VERY massive.
dispatch134711 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:34:39 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Do people still look there?
DemureCynosure ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:27:42 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I'm so glad this post generated some good attention for the Radio Astronomy world. Usually only pretty pictures get attention!
Thanks for helping to clearing up a lot of my loose language.
finite_turtles ยท 25 points ยท Posted at 16:03:48 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Since no one has given you a serious answer yet, having read the wikipedia page the answer is...
nothing.
OR at least not the part we heard.
It was of a single frequency. Not like a message but more like someone pressing and holding down a key on a giant piano... A piano the size of a planet whose note was so loud it could be heard across the vastness of space.
The interesting part (to me) is that the note was heard for 72 seconds. But the telescope that detected it could not move. It stays motionless while the earth rotates so the telescope rotates with the earth going in a full circle untill it can observe the same part of the sky 24 hours later. So we were only observing that part of the sky for that 72 seconds. We didn't hear the begining or end of the signal, we only heard a brief snippet somewhere in the middle.
By the time the earth rotated back around 24 hours later the signal was gone.
For all we know it could have been the equivalent of a recorded voicemail. "Please leave your message after the beep *beep* Hi Earthlings, just wanted to let you know we are here and having fun flying round in motherfucking spaceships! Hope you join us soon"... But all we heard was the *beep* because we could only listen for 72 seconds.
[deleted] ยท 23 points ยท Posted at 15:19:03 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
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secondarykip ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:26:08 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Drink your Ovaltine.
biquetra ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:42:17 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
So long and thanks for all the fish.
jeliebeen ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:42:56 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
If I remember correctly, and im too damn lazy to look it up right now, what made is special was the nature of the signal itself. Scientists had been thinking for years how they would send out a signal theselves. The idea was to create a pulse that could not be dismissed as naturally occuring. From the frequency was one, to the strength of the signal, to its duration. This signal matched their idea of the perfect signal damn near perfectly. The logical conclusion is that some other intelligent life form already thought this through and did it.
SirFappleton ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:36:58 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
It doesn't say anything, it's just a very coordinated radio wave.
Sprite87 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:28:38 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Probably an insurance advert
PenguinNinja007 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:15:08 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
It either says swim to the back of the throat or I want a root beer float!
Eddie_Hitler ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:43:45 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
It's the US government to-do list.
CANCEL MILK
STOP PAPERS
TAKE DOG TO KENNELS
SWITCH OFF ALL APPLIANCES
INVADE SYRIA
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:13:26 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
There is no message, just a loud "thump".
johnbeltrano ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:18:59 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Gering-ding-ding-ding-ding diring, diring
woodp3cker20 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:42:52 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I'm thinking a good analogy would be we heard the equivalent of static on a car radio. (Correct me if I'm wrong) If we had a more powerful antenna would we have been able to hear more?
Babomancer ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 23:05:12 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
It says "Wow!", it's written right there.
nzeconomist ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 01:13:43 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
The signal is basically the safe - you will never know what's in the safe, and you will never know what the signal said.
ChemistryRespecter ยท 2071 points ยท Posted at 15:10:25 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
"Scientists say that if the signal came from extraterrestrials, they are likely to be an extremely advanced civilization, as the signal would have required a 2.2-gigawatt transmitter, vastly more powerful than any on Earth."
WOW!
peoplearejustpeople9 ยท 901 points ยท Posted at 15:57:56 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
That's only 1000 times more powerful than ours terrestrial transmitters. I'm sure if we built a space transmitter for those purposes we could do it.
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heyuwittheprettyface ยท 199 points ยท Posted at 17:05:05 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
The XKCD. The analogy only really works in the context of "the search" though. If aliens knew we were here, it would be quite simple to whip up a radio transmitter, even if that's not what they would use for their own communications. We know enough about ants that we could replicate their methods of communication if we wanted to, but ants wouldn't understand us because they don't "understand" anything, an ant colony's decision-making is purely automatic.
Ayrity ยท 73 points ยท Posted at 17:42:23 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
That's a good point, and brings up an interesting question; Would we be so under-developed compared to these theoretical aliens that we would not be capable of understanding what they said even if they used english (or another human language)?
Is there a real fundamental difference between ants and humans in the way that we are capable of understanding things, or do we just have a better version of their brains? Would the aliens see us the same way? "Sure we can communicate with the humans, but they don't 'understand' anything."
In a similar vein, I always wondered if there has been a fundamental change in the human mind over the last say 10, or 100, or 1000 years? The famous quote by Clarke "any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic" makes me wonder, sure if we went back in time and showed a cave man a lighter, he would think it was magic of a kind, but if an alien came to us and showed us something that we couldn't understand (say, shooting dark energy from his eyes, cool right?) I would like to think that most of us wouldn't go, 'wow, they are gods!', we would go 'how do you do that? what makes it work?'.
DotNine ยท 23 points ยท Posted at 17:47:54 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
We live in an era that so abhors the supernatural, that we now have reason to believe that anything and everything is explicable. That definitely wasn't true not too long ago.
jmottram08 ยท 22 points ยท Posted at 18:56:59 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I don't know about that. Between 70 and 90% of people in the US believe in God, and even amongst secular modern culture there is a fascination with the supernatural/paranormal.
If "we" really "abhored the supernatural", you wouldn't see so many TV shows, movies and books about it in popular culture, and you wouldn't see so many people at least partially religious.
Most other countries would have much higher rates of religion... and variants of religions that were more accepting of the supernatural.
EllaShue ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 22:51:22 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Belief in a supreme being and curiosity about the nature of reality aren't mutually exclusive. Of that 70 to 90 percent who believe in God, most are the ones who go to church on occasional Sundays and tell their kids that "Fido went to heaven across the rainbow bridge" when a pet dies. They still want evolution taught in schools, treat illnesses with medications instead of prayer and don't believe in young-earth creationism.
You're not wrong that we love the supernatural, but in most industrialized nations, we no longer truly believe in it -- not the way we did when people were still painting the cave walls in Lascaux or built vast pyramidal tombs filled with untold wealth and servants to aid us on our journey through the afterlife. What once dominated our lives now enriches it with fairy tales and fantasy, for the most part. No one watches "Grimm" or "American Horror Story" as a documentary, and I'd imagine even those ghost-hunting and Bigfoot shows are more about enjoying the frisson of superstitious delight we felt as kids around the campfire listening to scary stories than about genuine belief.
You're right that there's a fascination with the supernatural, but I don't think it's comparable to how the world was even 500 years ago. Some people still live in that kind of world, a world in which albino children are killed for their magic blood and rubbing yourself with a special salve makes you bulletproof, but they're the exception. Barring some horrible catastrophes, that isn't the direction humanity as a whole is heading.
Not really arguing with you, by the way; I'm just pointing out that the supernatural doesn't really rule us the way it once did even though we still like to fool around with it.
Noncomment ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:50:50 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Somewhat relevant.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:13:53 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 20:14:39 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Skepticism about aliens is unfounded because logically there is other life in the universe, it is simple math. We cannot know with or without certainty that God does or does not exist
Lawls91 ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 21:01:53 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Well it was it's just we hadn't developed the appropriate tools, ie science, to intelligently question the universe therefore we made up our own primitive explanations that some people still cling to.
Falterfire ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 04:43:40 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
This is a pretty dumb line of reasoning - Humans have always sought explanations for everything, it's just that what qualifies as a reasonable explanation has changed.
If after pointing our telescopes at the sun we had discovered that there was in fact Helios pulling a flaming chariot across the sky you can bet your ass every serious scientist today would accept the Helios-centric model of the solar system.
If tribal shamans were capable of demonstrating the power of their curses while in a laboratory setting, we'd also believe in magic too since we'd be able to use it.
Generally speaking, an explanation is discarded when it either doesn't actually explain anything due to being unprovable or is proven false. It's not the drive to understand things that has changed, it's the level of detail we understand.
DotNine ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:16:14 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Scientific* causal explanation is pretty clearly what I meant by that. No need to go on a tangent about magic.
Falterfire ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:15:39 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
It's not a tangent. Magic only stayed magic and didn't become Science because when we tested it didn't turn out to have results. It's only 'supernatural' now because it didn't end up working.
Magic seemed explicable previously due to poorly designed (or non-existent) tests and a lack of better understanding of real causes.
It's not that we abhor the supernatural, it's that we understand the boundaries between what works and what doesn't better. Claiming that people intentionally find the supernatural irrational is a bit of a tautology: If it was rational, it wouldn't be supernatural.
talondigital ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:23:33 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I imagine that Carl Sagan was right on the money with how aliens would communicate. The signal would have a cycle of prime numbers using binary pulses (on/off) to show them. No matter how they count they 7 is still 7 in any system. They would use math as a primer to teach us how to read their signal, and eventually (hopefully) we would uncover more and more data as we learn how to read it, with each step teaching us how to read the next step.
I think the whole blue prints to the teleportation rings was just a device he used to advance the plot, rather than how he think the signal would actually work.
Wisepapabrofish ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:24:53 on December 17, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I think there is a massive leap between the prime number signal and real, meaningful communication.
How? Is such a thing even possible?
ChucktheUnicorn ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 18:36:29 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I don't really see why we wouldn't be able to understand them. The simplest thing they could communicate would be to show themselves, essentially saying "we exist". I don't think the ant comparison works because ants don't have self-awareness and therefore don't have other awareness. I think a more apt comparison would be to say dolphins, which have been shown to be self-aware but still less intelligent
Falterfire ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 04:46:19 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
No, the analogy is possibly still accurate - We humans believe self-awareness is a critical part of sentience because we believe ourselves fully conscious and we are self-aware.
If there was an alien species with a higher level of that (we'll call it hyper-awareness) that we don't have and they do, they may not bother contacting us because although to us we are advanced to them we are not.
Your measuring stick of being worth contacting - self-awareness - is one you are only able to comprehend because it applies to you. If it didn't, as our hypothetical criteria does not, you would not know that you lacked it because of an inability to comprehend what it was you lacked in the same way ants cannot comprehend self-awareness.
ChucktheUnicorn ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:53:37 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
good point! never thought of it that way.
atizzy ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 19:00:27 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Let's ignore different type of species on earth for a second. We are all carbon based beings right?
Is there evidence of other planets having anything remotely close to our periodic table? What if, outside of our solar system there are beings that we can't even come in contact with because of their nature.
symon_says ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 19:13:45 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
... The elements don't stop being the same elements just because they're somewhere else. There may be non-carbon lifeforms for sure, and yes, they may be vastly different from us. Look at Scott-Card's Ender saga or books like Solaris for neat theories on overwhelmingly different types of intelligence -- it's an idea that's existed for decades, most people just don't read much sci-fi.
atizzy ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:22:22 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I was kind of exploring the possibility of alien elements as well. Not just ones we have discovered.
symon_says ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 19:41:41 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, I think you should learn more about astrophysics and physics. This is so close to impossible as to be not worth much consideration. It would imply not only that the physics of specific regions are entirely different from others, but that all physics far away from us appear to be the same as the local physics even though they're not.
There's a surprising amount we can tell about the composition of faraway objects, I think more than you realize.
atizzy ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:58:38 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Well I wasn't claiming a background in astrophysics, just merely speculating that elements exist that we do not know of. Although what you said makes perfect sense.
These things just intrigue me.
sharpie36 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 22:13:52 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I understand that line of thought but I want to explain it to you why it isn't possible. It seems to me that you don't fully grasp what elements are. I'm not judging your negatively for your ignorance, so please don't feel like I'm trying to insult you. I'm not, I just want to educate you.
The problem with the concept of undiscovered "alien" elements is that there can't really be any elements that we haven't discovered, below an atomic number of 118 or so. This is because protons/neutrons/electrons can only exist in so many combinations, and their behavior is extremely predictable. We've already discovered those first 118+ (and most of their isotopes), and we've hypothesized the existence of elements up through 150+, although those elements would need to be synthesized and would likely be extremely unstable. We have a good enough understanding of matter and atomic theory that there isn't really any way for there to be "alien" elements that aren't in that super-heavy, super-unstable >118 range.
atizzy ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:32:08 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Thank you, I do appreciate that explanation.
Nepene ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:58:53 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
We've discovered around a hundred elements. Any heavier elements (the only way for them to be new) would be unstable and quickly break apart, and not be very useful.
symon_says ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:11:10 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
If you'd ever studied ancient history or literature, you'd know we haven't actually changed that much. It would be as easy to raise an ancient child to understand modern science as modern children. The only feasible way the brain could change that much is through genetic mutation, and there hasn't been sufficient time for divergent populations.
DasBarenJager ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:56:04 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe someone has made this point and I just missed it but since the signal was light and light takes a long time to travel across the universe then isn't it possible there once was a society capable of sending us messages, and did, but that it has taken so long for the messages to reach us that the society may no longer be on the other end of the light that was sent to us, or may no longer be there when we are finally able to return the call?
Horsepower2 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:51:55 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I heard Michio Kaku once say that it's silly to assume advanced civilizations still use radio signals. They would use lasers most likely, if that's true SETI is just wasting time.
[deleted] ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 18:43:38 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
If an alien species knew of our existence there would be two outcomes: Aliens ignore us due to how destructive humans are or Aliens would wipe us out due to how destructive we are
heyuwittheprettyface ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 19:59:01 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
This has always struck me as an absurd statement. If a civilization is advanced enough to be aware of us and the things we've done, they're advanced enough that we would not pose even the slightest threat to them. And on the other hand, I'll wager that any civilization so advanced would have a history quite as blood-soaked as our own. Our lust for dominance is (quite literally) what got us to the moon, while bonobos are still enjoying their free-love-fest in the jungle.
symon_says ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:16:02 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
This precludes the assumption that we are the worst intelligent species in the universe. It is thus an idiotic hypothesis.
We are not all "destructive," we are not significantly more violent than other animals on the planet, and most of our destruction is through apathy and ignorance to the consequences, not an unreserved desire to obliterate and harm.
[deleted] ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 20:14:28 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Well we are slowly destroying the planet we live in
heyuwittheprettyface ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:30:27 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Just want you to know that while I think the whole "aliens would kill us cause we're so awful" thing is a bit over the top, I agree with the sentiment. Each of us is a little bit of an asshole, and some of us are MEGA-assholes, and it is important to keep that in mind and try and minimize that tendency. (Like when we want to downvote someone 'cause we think we're smarter.)
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:25:29 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
idrink211 ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 18:30:58 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
It's true. Our Sun is at least a 2nd generation star. Otherwise we would have no elements beyond maybe carbon on our planet. So much of the material around us and in us is the product of a at least one supernova. But we're kind of late in the scheme of the age of the universe. The first stars that formed after the big bang were super massive and had extremely short lifespans compared to the Sun's ~10 billion estimated lifespan. It's very probable that many star systems like ours evolved a few billion years before ours. This would give the chance of civilizations as we know it much more time to develop. We are just at the very, very beginning of the technological age. We're talking a couple hundred of years max depending on what you consider advanced technology. That's not even a blip compared to the age of the universe. So, really, it's not a question of is there advanced civilizations, it's more like how close is the nearest one?
Lawls91 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 21:14:01 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)*
Plus I was reading a paper that was saying that 15 MYA after the big bang there would've been sufficient material to build rocky planets. Furthermore the cosmic microwave background would've kept space at a temperature of around 30C suggesting that the universe went through a "habitable phase" whereby any body with sufficient gravity to maintain pressure and therefore liquid water could've played host to life. This is an incredible though and implies that life could've originated long ago in a universe that would look considerably different from what we observe now and seems to imply that life could've been evolving and persisting for billions of years, but of course this is just wild speculation but I just thought it was a fascinating idea.
Edit: Here's the paper, I really recommend reading it. It's technical but the central idea of the paper is damn interesting and makes it worth the read. http://arxiv.org/pdf/1312.0613.pdf
Foxblade ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:06:21 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Isn't there actually some kind of paradox that states something like:
Given the age of the universe and the ratio of life-sustaining planets to non-life sustaining planets, we should have encountered some kind of sign of life elsewhere, and yet we have not.
I can't remember what it was called. It's actually fascinating thinking about how large the universe is and wondering where other intelligent life might have existed. Was there ever intelligent life in our own galaxy in the past? Is there any right now? What about in other galaxies.
It kills me inside knowing that I won't get to find out.
NoseDragon ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 21:53:47 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Fermi paradox.
I have a feeling that our planet is not unique in having life, but there is a good chance we are the only intelligent life in the galaxy right now. The Earth has been around for 4.3 billion years and we have only been intelligent for a tiny fraction. Asteroids and other natural disasters make life fragile, and its possible that every intelligent species has a shelf life that makes it highly unlikely to ever run into another intelligent species from a different planet.
If you consider human civilization dates back maybe 50,000 years, that means an alien species would have a 0.001% chance of running into human civilization if they came to visit our planet sometime during its 4.3 billion year existence.
I am 99.9% certain that the first time we encounter (non intelligent) life on another planet, we will be playing the role of the aliens.
JimBombBomb ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:40:00 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I like this theory that they came too early or will come too late. I believe that they have tried to communicate with us in the past, but were not successful. Around the time of Ancient Egyptians, hence why the civilization of that time was so advanced. It's hard to make assumptions due to the lack of information, but I would love to see some sort of proof of extra terrestrials in my lifetime.
NoseDragon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:24:29 on December 16, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Actually, the Ancient Egyptians really weren't that advanced, especially to the point where we could say they may have been helped by an advanced alien species.
The pyramids were absolutely amazing engineering marvels, but were not beyond the technology of the time.
Had aliens visited the planet during the time of the Egyptians, surely they would have left some physical sign, like a satellite orbiting our planet.
If you look at it from our perspective, if we visited another planet that had life, even if it was much inferior to our own, we would still keep an eye on it. And any species capable of interstellar travel would see the 3000 years that have passed since the pyramids were constructed as a blink of the eye.
jrobinson3k1 ยท 22 points ยท Posted at 17:44:35 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Take our own Human race for example. Take the technology we have now and go back just 100 years. It'd blow our ancestors away. Now go back 10,000 years before Human language. It'd take a tremendous amount of effort to communicate with ourselves. 10,000 years in the context of the universe is not even a blink. We're an extremely young species. We can only assume that any extraterrestrial life that we find, or more accurate, that find us, is going to be leaps and bounds more intelligent and advanced than we are.
Neil DeGrasse Tyson explained it really well. We are roughly 97% genetically similar to chimpanzees, yet we don't consider chimpanzees even coming close to our intelligence. The big difference is in that 3% that is genetically different. Now imagine a different species that is 3% different from us. We would be considered extremely inferior compared to them.
mattcraiganon ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 17:46:18 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Yep! And now consider a species which is entirely outside the domain of the kingdoms of life as we know it. Silica-based lifeforms, who knows. There is simply no way of knowing how that sort of organism could operate at an intelligent level.
Barnowl79 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:28:09 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
That's why it's so fascinating to me the way linguists, scientists, and experts in other fields are trying to figure out a way to warn people in the distant future, say a culture 10,000 in the future, not to try to dig up the radioactive waste at Yucca Mountain. Here's an article about it from damninteresting.com, called "This is Not a Place of Honor."
olfactory_hues ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:29:52 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)*
Actually, you just proved why you're wrong. Humans working closely with apes have developed ways to communicate with them. That doesn't mean they are capable of the most sophisticated levels of communication that humans are with each other. But within concepts they understand, they can be communicated with. Humans have an exponentially greater universe of concepts within which they comprehend. To go back to pre-language humans, they could be easily communicated with within concepts they understood or could be made to understand. Imagine you wanted to enslave some Cro-Magnons and set them to work hauling rocks. That would be incredibly easy to do by demonstrating what you want them to do and killing those that disobeyed.
jrobinson3k1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:34:02 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Oh I completely agree, I wasn't arguing that we're unable to communicate with chimps. I was just giving an example showing how a small genetic gap can make (in our eyes) a huge impact on intelligence.
Sedentes ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:56:57 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Where did you ever get the idea that Humanity didn't have language 10,000 years ago?
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Sedentes ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:19:23 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
The statement could be interpreted as "go back 10,000 years" and there is no Human language or go back 10,000 years prior to the start of human language. The problem is that the form of the sentence is the same as the first statement "go back just 100 years".
goofballl ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:50:29 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Technically, if it were to have the meaning of 10,000 years ago there was no human language, it would need to have a comma: "Go back 10,000 years, before human language."
Sedentes ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:00:40 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
The rules for commas aren't used enough in informal writing for that to be a perfect indicator.
goofballl ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:10:57 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, it's definitely not going to be a perfect medium for clarity.
Nepene ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 04:01:12 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
We've communicated with numerous civilizations that have a cultural advancement of the level of those 10,000 years ago. It's not that hard to do so. Just speak loudly at them and shoot them if they don't let you take their land. Over time they can learn what your gestures mean.
CHAINSAW_GUTSFUCK ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 17:34:11 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I love this idea. I think I heard Neil Degrasse Tyson talking about the same thing.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:53:15 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
This discussion starts around 7:40.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KeJoVeKSsyA
MegaAlex ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 18:15:22 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Well we won't know until we know. On that note, if we do end up meeting an advance alien life form, I highly suspect we'll make fun of them if we have something they don't, like soap, cell phones or something we take for granted... We're not nice people
atizzy ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:15:31 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
lol I was gonna say something along the lines of, dude you aliens still have flip phones? Do you know what year it is?
But then I got to thinking that that if humans had a sister species here on earth, like if the neanderthals survived, they'd be so low on the social scale the untouchable caste in India would make fun of them. We really are a cruel race :-/
jlopez9090 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:30:54 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I think for their sake it's a good thing they are extinct. We enslaved our own species for thousands of years. Imagine what we would do to them if they were still around.
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Intrexa ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:48:43 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Our communication abilities are based on practicality, not possibility. We can communicate via photons of light, organic matter arrangement, inorganic matter arrangement, chemicals, heat, electrons, basically anything that you can think of existing, we can communicate using. It's just the practicality of busting out an electron tunneling microscope to read "you see that chicks ass?" is a bit prohibitive.
merirosvoja ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 19:02:13 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
That kinda happens at the end of Children of the Mind.They meet an alien race that communicates by transmitting chemicals to directly influence biology and they have a weird standoff because they recognize neither can do anything with the other.
mattcraiganon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:03:10 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Spoiler alert... ;)
merirosvoja ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:39:52 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I didn't think it was because it's tacked on at the end and has no relevance to anything else in the plot
Penjach ยท 52 points ยท Posted at 16:30:19 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
We can communicate with ants. Pheromones.
A_Cylon_Raider ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 17:15:21 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
It's actually thought that ants primarily use tactile communication through cuticular hydrocarbons. The idea of the queen running the hive through pheromones is an older idea that hasn't held up well. For ease of access, here's a TED video from Deborah Gordon where she talks about her research in this area.
Penjach ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:21:01 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Cool.
A_Cylon_Raider ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:27:31 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah it is.
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hawthorneluke ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:16:38 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
And those ants then comprehend that it's us humans that are trying to communicate with them and try to have a conversation with us?
Penjach ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:26:13 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Nope, they bite your ankle.
Seriously though, ants don't really communicate ideas, only instructions to one another. So you can, with pheromones and maybe utilising what /u/A_Cylon_Raider said in response to my comment, control the ants to do something, and they will probably respond in the same way, but there can be no sharing of some abstract info, because ants don't do that anyways.
hawthorneluke ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:31:18 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Sounds like that ant analogy's quite spot on then.
OllieMarmot ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:02:59 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Not really, we have the ability to think, change our beliefs and investigate things in a way that ants simply don't. Given some time, we have been able to expand on and grow an understanding of any new concept or idea we investigate. Ants are fundamentally incapable of that kind of improvement or mental expansion. We have the biology necessary to come to understand things that are currently beyond us. Ants do not. An alien race trying to communicate with us would quite possibly create some observable effect here on Earth that would then be investigated by scientists and, eventually, we would start to figure out what is going on. Ants will never catch on.
hawthorneluke ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:30:16 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Thinking about things absolutely as they currently are, sure, but relatively? If you just replace the ants with us and us with the alien race, you can easily come up with the same thing, with us, to the alien race, only being able to see this world/universe in some basic way and the alien race being far, far more intelligent. Maybe the ants themselves already had such a "conversation" as this in their basic ways and are sure they'd be able to "learn" and "discover" more and more, again, in their basic ways, and here we are sitting here saying they never have a chance.
dilln ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:57:35 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Now do cockroaches.
Penjach ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:03:06 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Not radiation.
Juno_Malone ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:20:40 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
That's like saying we can communicate with dogs by barking at them.
Penjach ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:56:24 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
We can't?
antiward ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:48:34 on December 17, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
And shoes
[deleted] ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 18:40:16 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
This is how I always see it. Our solar system has only been around a bit over 4 billion years. The universe has been around over 14 billion. If a solar system is out there that formed a lot sooner than ours and harbored life early on, they could potentially be billions of years more advanced than us technologically. Just look how far we've come along technologically in just a hundred years. Imagine what millions or billions of years could do to that.
olfactory_hues ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:32:52 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)*
Or those civilizations could have evolved, flourished and then died out from the many reasons why civilizations die out all separated from each other by a billion+ years. Also, just because two intelligent species exist at the same time doesn't mean that they would be close enough to contact each other even with incredibly advanced technology. The argument: "the universe is so big, statistics tell us there must be other life" is the same reason why those civilizations would never be able to contact each other.
Noncomment ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:59:54 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
The speed of light is only a significant limit in human timespans. A few million years is more than enough time for civilization to colonize it's entire galaxy and even begin communicating and with and send probes to other galaxies. If faster than light travel is possible, it can happen even sooner.
I also don't buy the "civilizations die out" argument. I mean it's possible, I just don't think it's likely. After we build smarter AIs and/or improve our own brains, certainly we will be smart enough to not let ourselves go extinct. At least not on accident.
olfactory_hues ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:32:16 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
How many galaxies do you need to go to find intelligent life? What are the chances those species are overlapping in time? Can you avoid a cataclysmic event for millions of years? If you think humanity will be here in millions of years, I think you're incredibly optimistic.
Noncomment ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:38:03 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Once an intelligence evolves, it will probably be around for the rest of the universe and can spread out from it's point of origin close to the speed of light, growing exponentially. Such a civilization would have the technology and intelligence to prevent itself from going extinct easily.
If you are skeptical humans will survive, well we've survived fairly well so far. Imagine in even 50 years when we have even more technology. When we start getting computers even smarter than us, and improving even our own brains.
olfactory_hues ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:11:34 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Fairly well so far? 10,000 years of civilization. You're talking about MILLIONS of years.
Noncomment ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:03:14 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
And look how far we've come in those 10,000 years.
archaictext ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:00:07 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I agree. Even 1 million years is an incredible amount of time in a period of progressive intelligence. However, the way you put it is a little grand. It took a long time after the theoretical big bang before galaxies were formed. Then more time for solar systems to form, and then planets and life. It's not as if there has been 14 billion years of life forming and sustaining places in the universe. There definitely has been a lot of time though.
MeesterWestside ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:45:19 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
What if they don't have advanced technology though? What if the reason millions of extraterrestrial races haven't contacted us yet, is because they can't yet?
mattcraiganon ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:47:43 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
As I said in another comment, I'm not arguing that only more intelligent life exists. We should continue looking in case this is true. To me it seems likely that if one is possible, the other is likely true as well.
abortedfetuses ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:02:32 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Imagine if we found went back and looked at ourselves a mere thousand years in the past. Look at the technological difference. So if evolution took THIS long, what are the odds that even if they progressed at a similar rate, that they are ANYWHERE near us technologically? Pretty much zero. Enticing.
crumpus ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:12:52 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
So you're saying there is a chance, albeit small, that what we consider "Diety" could be nothing more than an extremely advanced race?
madgy ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:56:06 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
In a cute baby voice usually.
Sloppy1sts ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 17:27:49 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Ants are essentially biological robots. 100% instinct-based. Besides the pheromones that others have mentioned, of course you can't communicate with a creature incapable of thought.
mattcraiganon ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 17:30:31 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Couldn't we be biological robots in comparison to a more advanced race? Maybe we can't comprehend their level of thought.
Challenger25 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:06:11 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
That may be true. But they could certainly communicate with us on our level of thought just as we could communicate with ants on their level of thought. This is why OP's analogy doesn't make any sense.
Swtcherrypie ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:09:18 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Hell, they may come by and watch us and see a planet full of animals. Maybe they've classified us as a planet with no intelligent life.
Think of it this way. We're, what?, 1 chromosomal pair different (~2% more advanced) from apes and look at how much more advanced we are. Imagine an alien race that is 2% more advanced that us. We'd be seen as animals to them, like apes are seen to us. We'd be something they'd put in their zoos. They wouldn't see us as intellectual equals.
atizzy ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:16:33 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Reminds me of Ancient Aliens. As far fetched as it is.
Tens of thousands of years ago they coulda been checking out planets and been like, wtf these idiots are living in caves!
Sky_Light ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:41:02 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Neil deGrasse Tyson makes that point, and it's a good one. Especially when he points out that we could introduce our brightest (say, Stephen Hawking) by bragging about him figuring out quantum mechanics, and they'd just grab the nearest toddler and say, "That's cute. Here's Timmy He can do the same thing."
Swtcherrypie ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:09:41 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Yep, I knew I'd heard it before but couldn't remember where, and I couldn't remember well enough to actually quote him. Thanks for reminding me where it came from.
Intrexa ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:41:08 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I think you're over thinking this. Humans have the ability for abstract thought. Dogs do not.
How does a dog tell another dog it wants poached eggs in the morning? It can't. It can't even tell another dog it saw a squirrel here yesterday, something both dogs would understand if they both saw it, they just can't communicate it, nor understanding any attempts to communicate it. Sure, one dog might act interested in a spot, and the other dog can pick up on those cues to know there is something interesting here, but that's about the extent of it.
We are better at communicating with a dog than dogs are with other dogs. We can train dogs to grab the circle toy instead of the square one, or the captain crunch stuffed doll and not the dolphin stuffed animal. Sure, the dog might have no clue why he needs to grab that toy, but he knows what it is you want him to do. So, even if we couldn't understand why the aliens are telling us certain things, I don't have much doubt we would eventually be able to come to a point where we at least understand what they are telling us.
As long as one species has the ability to detect the medium used as a means of communication the other species uses, and understand that what it is detecting is not a normal pattern, and was fabricated by the other species, I don't doubt that we would eventually be able to communicate with them, and vice versa.
If you want to raise the point of 'What if we can't detect whatever form of communication they use?', well then I counter with physics is pretty immutable. Our understanding of it might change, but physics itself has defining laws that can't be changed. If you propose they are communicating in such a way our limited understanding of physics can't detect and model, I am going to counter with that maybe they are standing on top of us right now in a way our understanding of physics can't detect or model. Even though the alien is right next to you, you can't detect it. It is raping you in the ass with it's dick, and you can't detect it.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:39:35 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
We can easily communicate with ants. Ants use pheromone trails to communicate. It would be trivial to either harvest or synthesize those compounds and put them in trails just like an ant would. That isn't a good analogy.
mattcraiganon ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:55:52 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I think you misunderstand what I mean by communicate. If we use your definition then plants can communicate using chemicals, as can bacteria (quorum sensing).
How would you tell an ant that you're happy? Or that you like eggs? It's not possible.
my-psyche ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 17:03:40 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
This actually makes perfect sense, I've never thought of it like this! And for those saying pheromones, that's the same level as "alien lights". Ants can detect/sense the chemicals but no real communication is taking place besides the human indicating their presence. The lights may be being used the same way, some form of technology we can detect/see but no real communication taking place....
Thank you so much for this thought line!
atizzy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:48:59 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Yup. And if this is the case, they could have been trying to communicate with us for years now and we have no way of knowing what their signals mean.
Unless of course we actually caught one and Area 51 is what we all think it is.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:35:34 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
You're the one who said "understanding ant communication." We can communicate with ants in the same way they communicate with each other.
By the way, I'm willing to bet that we could convince honey bees to mutiny against their queen bee with the right pheromones, maybe from a new queen.
I understand your point, but the analogy doesn't work.
mattcraiganon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:38:54 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Obviously it's not a perfect analogy. It was used to describe the sheer difference in intelligence between ants and ourselves, and possibly ourselves and extraterrestrial life.
Ignore ants, let's use dogs. We can readily accept that dogs feel emotion and have similar brains to ourselves, albeit less intelligent. We also accept that dogs have the ability to communicate, albeit basically, with each other. How do you tell your dog that you want poached eggs in the morning? How do you tell your dog you have a meeting tomorrow afternoon? How do you tell that dog about quantum physics?
It doesn't work, they can't comprehend that sort of detail. Likewise it is possible we can't with aliens.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:46:51 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
We'll have to agree to disagree. Your argument doesn't make sense.
We can communicate with dogs, dogs can communicate with us. You've somehow twisted "we can't communicate everything to other species" into "we can't communicate at all." Those two are not the same statement.
mattcraiganon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:48:21 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I accept that you can have a basic form of communication, i.e. telling a dog to sit (although this isn't actually an understanding, it's a learnt behaviour for reward).
Talking to a dog about mathematics would be a very different kettle of fish.
Popanz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:44:34 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
You can't communicate those things to a dog because a dog has no concept of them. Similarly, you can't tell an ant that you're happy because ants aren't happy or unhappy (at least not in any way that we could relate to).
You can only communicate things that are within similar mindsets or world views. This is the main reason that it's so hard to talk about quantum physics or string theory; you have to adopt the mathematic mindset first to be able to even comprehend it.
We can tell ants where there's food to pick up and we can tell dogs that it's play time now, because those things exist both in our mind and in their's.
Theoretically, it's possible that ants talk about stuff that we can't even think about because they're so completely outside of our own experiences. Butterflies, for example, have a ridiculously good sense of smell. Imagine how differnt our mindsets and languages would be if we could, when entering a room, make a list of persons who where there in the past few months.
It would probably extremely hard to talk to an alien lifeform that exists in the form of plasma and lives inside of stars. But not because of any differences in intelligence but because there is not much overlap of experiences that we could talk about.
time-lord ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:42:19 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Well, actually you can tell a tree that you're happy, or a tree can tell you that it's happy. I don't know that we could communicate a nuanced thought with another being, but I don't think we would have a problem mistaking an invasion with a friendly greeting.
Assuming we're at the level of ants, it wouldn't be hard for an alien civilization to determine basic commands simply by observing us with dogs.
mattcraiganon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:43:57 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
How would you tell a tree that you're happy? The only known communication plants have is when one is damaged, it releases chemicals to stimulate defenses of nearby plants. They don't have any facility to determine whether we are happy or not, nor to describe whether they are.
time-lord ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:00:23 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Ok, so happiness is a bad example as they cannot comprehend happiness. But we can tell them that we're under attack (or not) and to defend themselves (or not).
But considering that your average tree just sits there, photosynthesizes, and guards against beetles, and we can control all of those reactions, I think we can fully communicated with trees. Very much in the same what that we can communicate a lot with a dog, if we keep the ideas simple.
mattcraiganon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:07:09 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
You're arguing that plants don't do much and we've saturated every possible avenue of communication. Isn't it possible that aliens would view us as equally primitive as we see plants, or even more so?
This also raises the question as to why they would even bother making contact with us. Nothing to gain (especially if there are other life forms around more advanced than ourselves).
time-lord ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:12:37 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Most definitely. Stephen Hawkins was worried that sending Voyager out of the galaxy could lead to a situation with Aliens much like we have with trees - a very exploitive one, only we would be the ones being exploited. Karma, I guess.
But on the flip side, I'm sure Aliens would want to make contact for the same reasons that we want to explore. Or not, no one knows.
LITERALLY_SHREK ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:49:03 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
An ant can't tell another ant that it is happy either...
mattcraiganon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:49:45 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Hence why I changed the analogy, and instead talk about dogs. Reply to those ones :)
Cookieway ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:07:08 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
We can't tell ants that we like eggs or that we're happy because they have no concept of being happy or liking anything. It can't be expressed in ant language and as we know "the limits of my language means the limits of my world"
We can, however, tell ants "there is yummy food over there" or "danger!" or "follow this trail"
A dog, on the other hand, can be told that you're happy if you use a language (aka body language) that the dog understands. You could probably also tell him that you like eggs by acting really exited about eggs.
mattcraiganon ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:09:24 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
So if we are the ants in this scenario, and aliens are the humans, how do you say "we are an advanced life form making contact"? It's not possible, there is no mechanism to understand that.
A dog only understands similarities in body language because they use some of it themselves, and the rest they learn by positive association. I don't think a dog could understand a fish's intentions, let alone us understanding an entirely different life form alien from this world.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:28:30 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
But we actually have a language and written communication and visual recording. This is like the very base of education. I think that if an alien race can't understand visual and written teaching, it's probably not very smart.
mattcraiganon ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 17:30:03 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
You're comparing aliens to humans, though, when in fact there is no basis for any similarity between us and any extraterrestrial life. They could operate on a fundamentally different level to ourselves. You can't apply our brain function to theirs (if they have a brain, or indeed a nervous system like ours).
squeeney ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 18:04:43 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Exactly. Imagine if aliens didn't even communicate with other aliens through speech or symbols. These aliens could possibly be life forms that evolved to communicate through an entirely different method than symbols or speech. Perhaps they could be some advanced "hive mind" type of consciousness where communication is not even neccesary.
Also, imagine we one day meet these aliens. I've always thought it'd be crazy if we were to come face to face and our two life forms couldn't communicate not because of lack of a common language, but rather incompatible biology/consciousness/senses... so that either life form's attempt at communication would not even be percieved-let alone be understood or studied.
ChucktheUnicorn ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:41:35 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I think they could use math. Regardless of the method of communication they use, it must be based on some level on chemical or electrical signals. For us it's the neurons in our brains. Even if they have a hive mind with no audio or visible communication there is information being transmitted in some form, and unless that's some type of energy which we don't know about, humans are amazing at figuring out patterns.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:35:13 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
That's true, you're right.
pointlessbeats ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:22:39 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Wow, that's cool and sad. Ants are pretty insignificant to a lot of humans. Are we that insignificant to other lifeforms?
mattcraiganon ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:24:30 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
It's possible. If we accept that other life could have developed billions of year prior to use, then we have to consider what sort of technology we could develop assuming we're around a billion years from now.
What would an advanced civilisation have to gain from a planet we now know is pretty ordinary, and with a species who are inferior in many, if not all, senses?
Maulgrump ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:14:20 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Slave labor?
Kaiden628 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:36:48 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
This is basically the plot to Ender's Game
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:40:17 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
If we can understand ant communication, we could communicate to them using our understood method of ant communication... that's a ridiculously flawed analogy.
mattcraiganon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:41:24 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Again, not the point I'm making. The point is that with their level of understanding, you can't express things outside of it. See above examples e.g. telling a dog you have a meeting tomorrow morning. Or telling them about quantum physics.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:36:53 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
That's no different to any human-human communication. Try getting a man to comprehend the experience of pregnancy etc... all communication is based on presumptions about correlates of personal experience, the main difference with these aliens is just that the correlates are extremely abstracted or don't currently exist. There is no form of communication where one person actually intends to convey a meaning to someone, and the other person receives that specific meaning.
I think the objection is that aliens must still be capable of communicating things with humans regardless of their level of development. You're describing the efficacy or meaning of communication as bad rather than claiming aliens can't communicate with us, which is what you stated.
the_ouskull ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:42:48 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
...or how far behind.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:44:30 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I hear that a lot, and I'm always skeptical about it. I mean, I can understand if extraterrestrials had some non-verbal form of communication that we simply couldn't translate, but I doubt it's a hopeless endeavor. We're not like bees or ants that have drone-like mental capacity. We have numerous ways of communicating and trying to interpret different things, and we have the mental capacity to develop new ways.
I mean, we can teach dogs, dolphins, whales, cats, apes and numerous other animals various commands and forms of communication, and their mental capacities are far below ours. Often, they don't even communicate in the same way.
So I think, barring some incredibly strange form of communicating, we can figure out just about anything given the time.
mattcraiganon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:46:58 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
See my second edit. Can you teach a dog about quantum physics? Or even algebra?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:02:40 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Well first off, dogs can't do plenty of things to begin with, even compared to other animals (tool use , etc.). So intelligence-wise, they're not at the top of the heap. But, they can learn. So can we, and we have dozens of ways to communicate.
Now, if you want to talk about advanced communication, like discussing math that is beyond human comprehension, then fine, it's possible we won't be able to communicate with aliens on that level. We could probably still have a talk with them though. Admittedly, it wouldn't take much of a difference between us and them before they are incomparably intellectually superior (like chimps and humans; not much different genetically, but vastly different intellectually). But given human intelligence, I'm sure we could at least communicate on a basic level.
I mean, if we can teach gorillas sign language, I'm sure a hyper-advanced species could teach us to talk to them. Even if we can't hold a candle to their intellect, I sincerely doubt we'd be unable to communicate.
Tompkinz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:46:24 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I think humans underestimate ourselves. We've done some pretty incredible things over the past 50ish years.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:53:14 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
We've done some pretty incredible things over the past 50,000ish years.
BillTripple ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:53:20 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
that was mind-fucking
mattcraiganon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:54:03 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
And I didn't even use protection.
LITERALLY_SHREK ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:59:30 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I'm sure this is bullshit. If they are so advanced they know exactly what we are and figure out how to communicate with us quickly. They MUST had some form of complex language themselves or they would not have reached this stage of advancement. You can't compare this to human and animal communication. I say if a certain point of intelligence is reached on both sides there is always a way to communicate. I estimate this point to be somewhere around the moment a lifeform is able to reflect on its own thoughts and question it's own existence.
Aliens wouldn't really be that different from us. They are bound to the same physical laws as we are, therefore we can make a bunch of assumptions for example that they can't be living under water or that they must have something simmilar to our hands.
mattcraiganon ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:04:46 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
There are so many assumptions in that post that I don't know where to start.
We are so much more advanced than fungi but we can't describe what we are to them. We might be able to stimulate their senses but that doesn't give them any indication of a higher life form.
Why does that language have to have any relation to ours? They do not have to be vocal or written languages...
Why not?
You can 'say' it all you like, there is no guarantee that there is a way to communicate.
You mean the mirror test, then? Apes aren't on the same fundament level we are. We still can't tell them we are a higher life form. They definitely question their own existence.
Bullshit.
We don't even know all we can about human biology, how can you be so certain about a vastly different life form? We don't know how a silicon-based lifeform would work, for example.
atizzy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:26:48 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Good point. Intelligence is constantly being tested with new discoveries, theories, etc. Even though the brain is studied very thoroughly, I doubt the average lay person can explain how it works. I've taken neurology and neuroanatomy and it's still confusing to me.
mattcraiganon ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:27:51 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I doubt even the most informed people in neuroscience can fully describe how the brain does everything it does!
LITERALLY_SHREK ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:54:28 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I think it's fair to assume that there is a need to spread knowledge fast, therefore it must be some form of written language. A civilization advancing past ours just using "mouth-to-mouth" knowledge is simply not possible in this universe.
No, just because apes know that what they see in the mirror is themselves does not mean that they question their existence or thoughts.
No "hands" -> No possibility to influence it's surroundings, create and use tools.
Water based lifeforms -> No electricity, simple as that.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:06:44 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
It's much more likely that the spaces between things in space make communication impossible to due background interference.
Dikjuh ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:09:43 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Well, they already decoded the language of prairy dogs, so I can imagine technological advanced aliens being able to decode our language and find a way to communicate with us.
http://www.cbc.ca/news/technology/prairie-dogs-language-decoded-by-scientists-1.1322230
mattcraiganon ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:11:16 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, but we're still talking about very similar animals in a relative sense. We are part of the same animal kingdom. We have similar brains, but with different functional capacity.
We can't draw those findings and apply them to a creature which is entirely different to us.
fondlemeLeroy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:12:26 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
If anyone is intrigued by this idea, I strongly recommend reading Solaris by Stanislaw Lem.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:12:31 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
It could also be that we overestimate their intelligence and ability to communicate as well. Why is it we assume any Alien lifeforms out there must automatically be more advanced than we are?
mattcraiganon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:13:33 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Well I'm not saying all life is extraordinarily intelligent, it's likely that relatively basic life exists too.
atizzy ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:35:30 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
because of the way scientists have describe the universe develop. Now if we believe what is currently acknowledged: the earth, and our solar system is one of the youngest. Therefore, if there is life out there in the universe there is a possibility that they could have billion year old civilizations while I think the most ancient cities in recorded history on earth could be 10 thousand years old (depending on if you count the ones that died out or buried during changes in the earth's surface). So we could essentially be a primitive race to some aliens out there.
BoxedUpAndShaken ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:12:48 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
We would be dead in a million years. So they're extinct!
christwasacommunist ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:13:10 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I believe that Thomas Nagel can assist you in verbalizing what you're attempting to get at here. I would strongly recommend his, "What is it like to be a bat?"
In this he argues that due to the nature of bats (being relatively intelligent mammals) there is presumably a "what it is like" to be one. This is what he calls a "subjective character of experience," or what the lived experience is like for a bat. That is to say that, even though we are able to test bats and tell that there is something obviously different, we can not actually know what it is it like to be a bat. This, of course, stems from the insurmountable differences between humans and bats: being nocturnal, having the gift of flight, and most obviously - echolocation.
You could reverse this argument either to say that, "what is it like to be an alien?" or from the alien's perspective, "what is it like to be a human?" Like to ask, "We can recognize that these carbon-blobs communicate in some sort of written way, but - because we do so through energy fields and light refractions - we can never really understand what it is like to be a human."
nodammityourewrong ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:14:56 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Ok, even ignoring ants and using dogs, your argument is still ridiculous. We can still communicate with dogs, and they with us. It may not be as specific as talking about breakfast or our job, be we can still convey information to them. I would think even a highly advanced civilization that leaves us in the dust as far as technology would be smart enough to figure out a way to communicate with us on a basic level.
mattcraiganon ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 18:16:46 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
We still can't tell bacteria we are a higher life form. How would you overcome that problem, being vastly more intelligent?
nodammityourewrong ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:18:52 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
well for one thing bacteria are a single-celled organsim that has seemingly not developed any sentience or outward intelligence at all. another, we can still communicate with them via chemical channels and in other ways, getting them to do this or that. they may not realize it, but it is communication. like i said, i'm pretty sure that if a civilization that is so vastly more advanced than us wanted to communicate with us, they'd be smart enough to figure out a way to.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:21:57 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
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mattcraiganon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:22:56 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
But you don't KNOW we are capable of recognising higher life forms. We don't understand the whole universe and it's physical processes. Not even a good proportion of it.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:27:21 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
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mattcraiganon ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:34:08 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
You're assuming it will act like us but more intelligently. It may act so differently it might not even be apparent. You can't reason about what you don't understand.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:35:32 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
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mattcraiganon ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:39:50 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Sure. At what point have I made anything remotely similar a religious argument? All you've said is that you would recognise a higher life form. You have no evidence to say that would be the case in terms of a highly advanced civilisation.
BIGMAN50 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:28:29 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)*
What if the aliens used the universal language to communicate? If an alien came up to me and starting scratching 1 scratch, a little sign, then 2 scratches, another little sign, then 3 scratches. I'd be like holy shit that's 1+2=3. Id then proceed to show them every equation I know because they would know them too. A squared plus b squared equals c squared and the like. Math it's universal, two sides of right triangle squared equals the hypotenuse, doesn't matter what galaxy your from.
BIGMAN50 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:36:44 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Someone please explain this to me
MyersVandalay ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:39:22 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
we in theory can communicate with animals, at the level they can communicate with eachother... we couldn't tell bee's to mutany against their queen, because that concept is so foreign to them... we only can possibly communicate at the deepest level the animals can.. An advanced species could almost certainly have methods of communication that are leaps and bounds above what we understand.
Of course knowing the limits of what humans are capable of doing and understanding will only happen when we actually see what future levels appear as.
planet808 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:41:04 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
"We'll make great pets." - Porno for Pyros
A_Downvote_Masochist ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:46:19 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
"If a lion could speak, we could not understand him." -Wittgenstein
maq0r ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:46:21 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Mathematics. It's a universal language that any sentient species can understand.
mattcraiganon ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:51:28 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
It still doesn't allow us to 'talk' to each other and describe what we are. It only allows us to show them what we understand about the universe.
On the other hand, what we know about mathematics has come about through less than ten thousand years. If this civilisation has knowledge of mathematics billions of years ahead of us, it's like communicating with a species which treats simple addition like the maths behind quantum physics -- in another plain.
drballoonknot ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:53:57 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I say, "Bitch, make me some poached eggs."
HappyEndUpHappyHands ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:57:34 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
"S.T.A.L.K.E.R. Roadside Picnic" is a great book somewhat relevant to this concept. Read it if you like such themes.
AButtonInAFurCoat ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:01:59 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I think you would like the Forever War, if you haven't read it.
RubberDong ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:11:17 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Or as Neil Degrasses said. Our DNA is 1% different from that of an ape.
Imagine how different 100% of the DNA would be.
Always talking about intelligent life.
MerelyIndifferent ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:19:21 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Ants aren't capable of understanding much of anything. Wet can at least understand that there's something far away that's trying to communicate.
Not a good analogy.
xStahl ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:24:07 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Well that would work if being technologically superior makes you evolve to a higher intellectual being but humans have exemplified that not be the case with all our technology we are still dumb as ever, in fact we're even getting dumber by the day if the recent figures are right.
Also that if an alien exists with superior technology that being is still more similar to us than a dog is because they possess the same qualities of creating that we have. Also I'm sure that their understanding of math would be identical to ours so there's a universal language that everyone understands.
mattcraiganon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:24:55 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Everyone seems awfully 'sure' of things they've never encountered.
cometparty ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:25:07 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
We also underestimate the resources some extraterrestrials may have. We figure they're probably about like Earth, but they may exist on planets that are many times the size of Earth, thus likely having much larger populations and resources. It's kind of sad how limited Earthlings are. We may never get to travel or communicate through interstellar space, because of this.
TrekkieGod ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:34:59 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
That's a horrible example. The dog isn't capable of communicating those concepts with other dogs either. Humans are perfectly capable of communicating with other dogs as effectively as dogs are able to communicate with one another. We do better actually. We're able to teach dogs concepts they could never learn on their own. In turn, they learn to communicate with us by using signals they never use with other dogs. Have you ever seen a dog take a leash up to another dog to indicate it would like to take a stroll down the street?
Granted, dogs are not only close to us genetically, they have been bred and selected to communicate well with humans. I remember seeing a documentary which mentioned they're the only other animals capable of learning the concept that when you use your finger to point, they should look in the direction you're pointing. Not even other primates are capable of learning that.
I'm not discounting the possibility aliens could be so different and so much more advanced than us that communication is problematic. I think that's not only likely, it's a given. Zero genetic commonality, evolving in a completely different environment from us? Communication would certainly be more complex than learning to speak Klingon. That said, if we're capable of communicating between ourselves and they're capable of communicating between themselves, <b>at some level</b> communication will be possible. It's simply a matter of mutual study between the species.
myatomsareyouratoms ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:05:26 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
*its
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:16:17 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
The same theory could be directed at us in that we wouldn't know how to understand them, or understand what their forms of communication might actually be, although that is not likely.
olfactory_hues ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:18:29 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)*
Ants and dogs communicate between themselves with barely a fraction of the sophistication and versatility of humans. A dog could no more easily tell another dog that it wants a poached egg. They don't meet a minimum threshold that humans meet. Aliens, regardless of level of sophistication, must have use for numbers. Humans also understand numbers and are capable of using computers to further draw information from numbers.
seanmharcailin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:23:55 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Orson Scott cards hierarchy is awesome for this. Check it out.
el_duderino88 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:27:38 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Charades?
OruTaki ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:34:08 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I think you're over estimating dogs and their emotional and intellectual capabilities.
I_Xertz_Tittynopes ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:34:22 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
They'd be wizards. Chances are anything they do would just blow our minds.
internetsuperstar ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:39:20 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
WHAT IF ALIENS ARE ATOMS AND WE'RE MADE UP OF THEM!??!?
In other news, I smoke large quantities of marijuana.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:39:48 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
It's more about "How do you make your dog understand what you are saying" instead of "How do you tell your dog".
archaictext ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:40:42 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
If they were so advanced, and they had contact with us, they would be able to make us understand. We have so many forms of communication, and plenty of information about that communication. You could not teach a dog about quantum physics, but a dog can understand commands and actions. An advanced alien intelligence could observe us, understand our technology and knowledge about physics, biology, chemistry, astronomy etc (and therefore our current capability of comprehension), inform us of what they are and give us a general idea of their location and agenda. Sure they may not be able to explain their more advanced tech or form of existence, but it seems unlikely that a species so advanced would be unable to communicate with us. I think at that point it's more about whether that intelligence has the "desire", or finds it necessary to communicate with us.
NewTaq ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:45:16 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Dogs obviously can't understand it because they are just not smart enough. It is more like speaking with someone who doesn't speak your language. You can show with pictures what you mean, add words on certain things etc. I don't think it would be that hard to communicate with aliens.
SMORKIN_LABBIT ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:53:10 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
While I agree that the technological difference could be absurdly big the one fundamental thing we have that insures communication would be possible regardless of technology gaps is mathematics. Bees don't have math so there is no bench mark to start from. Any communications from us to aliens and vice versa will involve physics and mathematical constants. Even the super aliens use math.
daydreams356 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:00:11 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)*
Ants was a better analogy, IMO. My dog understands quite a bit of what I say and what is going on. Plus she understands my emotions better than I do. We (dogs and humans) evolved together so have a basis of communication. They are actually better than apes at communicating and understanding us. Hence why even puppies understand pointing, but other animals generally don't.
JarateIsAPissJar ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:05:13 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
A truly advanced alien civilization would have record of their own history. You would also come to think they had what we have now, but only far, far in the past.
And if they have good computers, you could also figure that given math and our alphabet, you could assign a code and have translations.
Or maybe that's too star trek like.
foreverslouching ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:05:44 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
This is definitely relevant.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:19:52 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Is the quantum physics a reference to Chad Orzel's book? Even if it's not, it's a great read for anyone interested in quantum physics and it's very easy to pick up.
EltaninAntenna ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:25:14 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Not to mention we're a lot closer to dogs than we're to a civilization a billion years ahead of us...
Nebula829 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:33:19 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I usually start with the double slit experiment then go from there.
Xandari11 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:33:22 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
You can't tell a dog what you want for breakfast because they aren't intelligent enough. You answered your own question. I can communicate with my dog just fine. He knows when I am mad, or happy. He even looks where I point. That was not a good analogy.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:18:28 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, people underestimate humans.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:51:53 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Well, it's almost twice as much as you'd need to run a flux capacitor, so...
TheKolbrin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:43:34 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Not back in '77 we couldn't. Unless we had unlimited funding.. maybe.
kholto ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:59:24 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Terrestrial antennas today might be "effectively 2MW" but actually they are more like a tenth to a fifth. The reason we call them "effectively 2MW" anyway is that the transmit in a "disc shape" covering the surface of the earth instead of just blasting signal in all directions. In actuality they are probably closer to 200KW.
UHF stations in the US used to be broadcasting at 5MW effective actually, but has been reduced to 1MW from 2009 (because digital requires less). Even so that is just the effective signal and does not show how powerful the antenna actually is.
Now you might say "but how do we know if the aliens are using a directional antenna". The answer is, we don't. In fact if they somehow had an antenna that was incredibly directional exactly in our direction it would not even need to be transmitting that much actual power. (that is assuming the 2.2GW cited is effective power).
Actually_JesusChrist ยท 30 points ยท Posted at 16:00:58 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)*
Most powerful radio transmitter today
The Roumoules ratio transmitter has the potential to transmit up to 0,003 MW/3000 KW.
Now, if someone really wanted to and had the money they could make a nuclear power plant which sole purpose was to transmit radio signals.
Kashiwazaki-Kariwa Nuclear Power Plant has an installed capacity 7,965 MW, which is 7.965 GW.
It's in our grasp!
*Edit, 7.965 GW, not 7,965 GW, that would be ridiculous.
generation_excrement ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:02:17 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
7.9 GW, right?
Actually_JesusChrist ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:09:19 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
You're right.
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Actually_JesusChrist ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:21:04 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Nuclear bombs has a yield in that range actually! I'm probably breaking some fundamental law here, but Little Boy dropped over Hiroshima had a yield of 67 petajoule which is the equivalent of 18.611 gigawatt hours.
Choralone ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:13:24 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
All released in a few microseconds.
OmniJinx ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:10:36 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
wat
DayManChampionOfTheS ยท 144 points ยท Posted at 15:28:07 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
That's a pretty big if though
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:45:59 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
When it comes to the vastness of space, everything becomes equally probable and improbable.
scoobs ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 15:37:49 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
If it came from space, doesn't it stand to reason it came from extraterrestrials?
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scoobs ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 15:44:11 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
What is a natural radio signal emitting source?
Lawsoffire ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 15:47:44 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
stars. or the remnants of them like magnetars and quasars
luckyc93 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:52:36 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
But there are billions of stars out there. Wouldn't lots of them be emitting signals like that all the time? What's the difference?
Wonderful_Toes ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 15:56:27 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Pretty sure that's at least part of the reason for static on normal radios; you're hearing stars.
Kowzorz ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 16:02:11 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Fun fact, a very tiny portion (1% or .1% or something) of that static is from leftover light from the beginning of the universe stretched into microwaves due to the expansion of space.
Wonderful_Toes ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 16:07:10 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I CAN HEAR THE PAST
Mormoran ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 16:15:57 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Sounds sort of like "kkkssshhhhhhhhhhjjjshshhhjjjshhhhhh"
Wonderful_Toes ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:22:35 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Wait...just realized that the stars put me to sleep most nights. Wat.
Native411 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:23:33 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Very true! Light waves, Radio waves, Infrared are all the same thing at the end of the day. Just different length of the wave itself.
xxhamudxx ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:16:18 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)*
I think what he meant was: "what makes the Wow signal different from any other signal that can be emitted from a natural source?"
Wonderful_Toes ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:18:43 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, I got that. I was just confirming that stars do emit radio waves.
Lawsoffire ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:01:02 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
well. quasars and especially magnetars are rare as fuck. because they only come into existence when the largest of stars go supernova. or hypernova. as it is called. leaving a black hole or a quasar. in rare occurrences it may become a magnetar
:i might be wrong. typing this entirely off memory:
APretentiousHipster ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:58:44 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Say a star just went nova, and as it did the big ear happened to be pointed relatively right at it. Relatively 'cause it's space ya dig? Such a huge release of energy as light in one burst could have created the signal.
I'm just speculating here though. What I've presented might just be straight wrong. Regardless, I'd put E.T.s and massive astronomical amomalies on the same level of probability.
spartex ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:22:15 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Pretty sure they thought of that.
whatzen ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:50:43 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
A pulsar which is a type of neutron star. The signal doesn't however seem to be from a pulsar of any type we know of.
ThatNetworkGuy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:12:15 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)*
We use something called a radio telescope because there's all kinds of emissions out there well beyond the visual spectrum. As others have said, natural phenomena which do this are common.
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Zmodem ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:21:07 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
What the hell is a gigawatt?
Mansyn ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:43:27 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
That is more than enough to power the DeLorean back to the future.
tyupid ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:52:49 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
What the heck is a gigawatt...
ouyawei ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:27:53 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
relevant what-if
Fart_Jumping_Solly ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:36:23 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
That's pretty scary if you keep thinking about it.
LonleyViolist ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:48:51 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Makes me feel... Secure. It's so unlikely we're the only intelligent lifeforms anywhere.
Taintedwisp ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 15:54:05 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
What would atheist do if Aliens came to earth and they believed in god and had a similar holy bible?
I think it would be comical.
Toof ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 15:59:10 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Oh yeah, we have a son of God, too. We call him Herbjerb. Virgin birth and all. Every chosen species on a planet has one, it's what allows them to transcend...
Why are you guys freaking out about not being special?
LonleyViolist ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:59:21 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
That would be hilarious. I'd love to see someone react to that!
But what if they weren't Christian aliens? What if they were Buddhist or something, and came to Earth to visit the "Holy Lands"?
CoffeeAndCigars ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:32:15 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I want to see the faces of the religious right if aliens come and greets everyone in the name of Allah.
LonleyViolist ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:38:42 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
How would it surprise the religious? Wouldn't it surprise the Atheists if a huge portion of humans and an extraterrestial race worshiped the same figure?
CoffeeAndCigars ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:47:06 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)*
Not particularly. You see atheism spans a rather large scope of people, ranging from extremes of agnostics to gnostics. Here's a picture showing the differences.
Only the most hardcore gnostic atheists would be particularly surprised, really. We're largely rational skeptics that value evidence and logic over grand leaps of faith (or drunken tumbles down mount dumbass as I prefer to think of it) and as soon as there's evidence or logic in favor of something we take that into account.
Alien races having an exactly similar religion as one on earth would indicate a common origin for the faith and some meeting in the past of some sort, and would be amazing to explore in a cultural and technological exchange. It just wouldn't make all that much difference unless those guys had some sort of logic or proof we don't have on earth.
For the more... zealous religious people, finding other species having a similar or exact same religion as their main "competitors" on earth? Their heads would explode.
(Edit: This is obviously a purely hypothetical scenario. The actual existence of aliens capable of contacting and communicating with us in any meaningful fashion whatsoever would shock me and most others to the core long before religion would ever even come up. The science and technology (and odds for that matter) required just for contact is so mind-boggling and amazing that it alone would send shockwaves through humanity.)
v-tecjustkickedinyo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:17:49 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Why would it surprise atheists? It still doesn't prove a God exists just because an extra terrestrial race also believes in a God... It just means they are as wrong as every religious person on Earth.
LonleyViolist ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:48:23 on December 16, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Ooh other people have faith even though I don't. They r so dum!!11!1!!1!
^ How you sound calling the religious wrong.
v-tecjustkickedinyo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:17:36 on December 16, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
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TheBlackBear ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:16:06 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
nope, straight up Christian aliens. like, their first action is to land in the Vatican and make confession
v-tecjustkickedinyo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:12:21 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Why atheists? It still wouldn't make me believe in any form of God. And why would it be comical?
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KeybladeSpirit ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:53:30 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)*
That said, though, it came from a long way away, which means that even if it did come from some kind of intelligent life, it only proves a few things. This short story discusses it pretty nicely, but the gist of it is:
AAA1374 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:00:28 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
But only by 1.09 Gigawatts IIRC.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:21:57 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
2.2 gigawatts! 2.2 gigawatts. Great Scott!
moolcool ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:56:14 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
DJSkullblaster ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:28:55 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
2.2 GIGAWATTS?! Great Scott!
kleemek ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:42:47 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
That means they can time travel as well.
EverdeenFire ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:12:11 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
2.2 gigawatts??!!
gardenfresh74 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:26:37 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
1.21 jiggawatts?!?
Indigoh ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:28:08 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Better odds are that some star exploded in a way that released radio waves or a few asteroids hit each other in just the right way.
But I have no experience knowing what can make radio waves.
gvsteve ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:11:11 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Would it be technologically difficult for us to build one? Or just expensive?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:29:12 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
That would be amazing and terrifying to discover such a powerful civilization sharing the same universe as us.
LordAegeus ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:54:28 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
2.2 GIGAWATTS?!?!?!?!?!!!!!!!
Coosy2 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:39:29 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
You can almost go back to your own time with that!
soc123me ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:10:12 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
There are natural radio signals in space though.
kmankch ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:43:12 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
AWWWW SHIT SON, ALIENS
I CAN'T WAIT FOR SWEET ALIEN QUANTUM COMPUTER SHIT
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:21:49 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
most likely a spinning neutron star or something
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TrevorSP ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 16:13:59 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
such wow
diewhitegirls ยท 394 points ยท Posted at 15:11:38 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
On that note, the "Bloop" sound is pretty fun as well. Although it seems to be mostly well explained with an ice shelf breaking off. I like the big sea creature idea more.
hennatomodachi ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 18:18:30 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, I was hoping it was some not-evolved-in-millions-of-years behemoth jelly thing living on the ocean floor living off the detritus that falls. To me it's logical that such a creature could exist, so I admit I was disappointed when the ice shelf explanation came to light. :(
Ququmatz ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 23:37:01 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Haven't we only explored something like 2% of the oceans? We are still discovering new ocean creatures all the time.
Politbuero ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 11:25:59 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
So there is still hope :)
gdub695 ยท 23 points ยท Posted at 18:57:00 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
The idea of incredibly large creatures lurking in the dark, cold depths of the ocean that have gone undiscovered all this time is one of the most terrifying thoughts to me. Screw giant sharks, what about something with 6 fins, big ass claws, razor sharp pincer-mandible things that could cut a blue whale in half like butter that's as long as two Empire State buildings end to end. Also, they hate puppies
Hardcorish ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:21:00 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Well, guess who won't be sleeping at all tonight? Thanks!
UMDSmith ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 00:16:18 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
For a creature to be able to withstand pressures at that depth, it would explode, or at least die a horrid death at sea level pressures, so we wouldn't have to worry about it.
Also, anything that large would have to have a food source, and although there is life down there, it isn't as dense with food sources as closer to sea level.
Truthfully, I'd be more worried about ancient bacteria or viruses from ancient ice covered lakes that are starting to thaw.
BCLaraby ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:39:07 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
And all that dinosaur poop in the Arctic that's thawing and releasing methane into the atmosphere...
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Burnaby ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 17:43:05 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
There are a couple other sounds like it that, AFAIK, haven't been explained yet.
pejmany ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:26:02 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Nothing shows up on that link for me, just a template
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:04:47 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
It's just a category on Wikipedia of six sounds.
Dadasas ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:49:03 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah same here. This link has more stuff anyway: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_unexplained_sounds.
Burnaby ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:34:42 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Lol sorry, that was intentional.
gonzooin ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:40:46 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Cthulhu Rules ! The bloop is him snoring at thousands meters under water. The GPS coordinate almost match with the HP Lovecraft novel. Great story, no need for explaining this (apparently no more) mystery.
jovialplutonium ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:47:32 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/R'lyeh
http://tools.wmflabs.org/geohack/geohack.php?pagename=Bloop¶ms=50_S_100_W_dim:5000000
gonzooin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:33:35 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
The roughly triangulated origin of Bloop is approximately 950 nautical miles (1,760 km) from the more precisely-described location of R'lyeh, a sunken extra-dimensional city written of by H. P. Lovecraft in his famous short story The Call of Cthulhu. From Wikipedia
ipaqmaster ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:23:00 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
That shit scared me so bad. There's a picture somewhere relating to that sound
NEdit: got it http://i.imgur.com/TzzFO.jpg
Eeegle ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:30:43 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
The "Upsweep" sound is pretty creepy as well. It sounds like some underwater alarm siren.
HerpaDerp101 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:11:01 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Jesus, guys, can't our mighty overlord Cthulu take a shit at the bottom of the ocean without everyone flipping out?
balkenbrij ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:21:00 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Something tells me i should use ctrl-f more. I'm sorry.
Jedi_Mime_Tricks ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:49:42 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
"The first kaiju made land in San Francisco. The second attack hit Manila."
CommanderPhoenix ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:46:24 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
The breaking ice is what unleashed it. Now it's up to Nick Cage to save the world in: BLOOP.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:56:34 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe it was a kaiju who knocked its head by accident.
Danthezooman ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:27:48 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
They may have explained the bloop but there are still others. Personally the updates creeps me out the most
j_platypus ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:10:12 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Others?
Danthezooman ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:33:17 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Sorry I was on the mobile site. Here's the list prepare to be terrified
longlive4chan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:14:50 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I still say Cthuthlu farted.
troubleshot ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:14:40 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I love to think it was monsters from the deep, but apparently it just ain't so.
Ragingwhirlpool ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:14:41 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
...Cthulhu...
Uncle_Bourbon1 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:28:18 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Is that you, Cthulhu?
Djandyt ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:44:42 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
In his house at Ry'leh, dead Cthulhu lies dreaming...
edsq ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:15:18 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
It's obviously Cthulu. Let's not beat around the bush here.
marcm6246 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:01:17 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Seems a bit creepy that this occurred in 1997, as well as the Phoenix lights. Maybe aliens came to earth in 1997, did their shebang, and left?
GODZILLA_FLAMEWOLF ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 16:26:30 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I thought it was determined that the Bloop was an ice shelf (or something like that) falling/slipping into the ocean
diewhitegirls ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:42:40 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, that is exactly what I said in my comment.
0_o
bananabots ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 16:27:12 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
It's obviously a whale fart!
grkirchhoff ยท 902 points ยท Posted at 15:20:00 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
The signal was very close to the resonant frequency of hydrogen. It's a lot less weird once you know that.
The_No0b ยท 214 points ยท Posted at 15:43:52 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
interesting. can you elaborate?
grkirchhoff ยท 460 points ยท Posted at 15:50:47 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)*
Hydrogen is by far the most common element in the universe. The signal was emitted at a frequency very close (I'd get the exact number if I wasn't lazy and on mobile, but it's on Wikipedia) to the frequency that you would expect if it was just hydrogen emitting something. We still don't know exactly what caused the signal, but this knowledge makes me think it isn't likely to be caused by intelligent life.
Edit - Ok, I get it, a lot of people think this makes it MORE likely to be caused by intelligent life.
[deleted] ยท 637 points ยท Posted at 15:54:57 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Well hydrogen is very common. Wouldn't we expect to see more wow signals if hydrogen was responsible?
maxstryker ยท 54 points ยท Posted at 17:10:29 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Actually, transmissions received on the hydrogen frequency are more likely to be where we should look for ET signals - since H is the most common element in the universe, that makes it a "global" frequency, where most civilizations would look first.
Timmytanks40 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 18:39:43 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Is that a forest fire starting or smoke signal?
AstroPhysician ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 18:51:49 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Said based on a sample size of 1 civilization, where we don't look for it first.
nopost99 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:08:55 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Let's hope that aliens follow this 'logic' the same way humans have.
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 17:33:24 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Amazing that he's sitting at 400+ for being as wrong as possible. Thanks for posting this.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 19:44:38 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Well he's not as wrong as possible; he was asking a question.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:47:43 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I was referring to
grkirchhoff 642 points 4 hours ago (765|123)
"The signal was very close to the resonant frequency of hydrogen. It's a lot less weird once you know that."
Which is completely ignorant and highly upvoted.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:48:17 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
oooooooh. My mistake.
meta_asfuck ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 18:32:50 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
People tend to upvote what they want to be true.
Kowzorz ยท 48 points ยท Posted at 16:04:23 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
It could have been a rare type of star or other space object which sent the radio waves. It could have been a fluke from some other known radio source like a far away quasar or anything else. Being unable to reproduce it has hindered what science can say about it.
skyman724 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:35:12 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
As the above Wikipedia article stated, the telescope as designed with two "feed horns" to detect signals, but only one feed horn received the signal.
Either it started just as it approached the second horn in rotational order (the telescope is stationary and it basically scans the sky as the Earth rotates, so they couldn't "aim" at the source), or it ended just as it would have started being received by the second.
regretdeletingthat ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:13:17 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I don't suppose its possible that some local interference or maybe a confused bird (I kid) hit one horn? It seems odd that such a powerful signal would only be able to be detected on one.
skyman724 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:23:25 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
That's one of the many points that the people for the side of it being aliens use.
Local interference has been mostly ruled out, as the Wikipedia article mentions that the frequency the Wow signal was broadcast in is banned for terrestrial use. Interference from a man-made object in space is unlikely, and that explanation would have probably been given by the responsible party if it was a non-top secret operation.
grkirchhoff ยท 28 points ยท Posted at 15:59:38 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe? The universe is BIG. There are lots of things we could expect to find but we haven't looked everywhere yet. We also haven't been looking for a long time.
[deleted] ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 16:25:59 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Next week on the History Channel: Alien life might possess a radio transmitter that uses resonating hydrogen to send signals to Earth.
Z-Ninja ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:26:33 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
My out there thought: could radio waves broadcasted using hydrogen be used as the basis for a reliable form of long distance communication. If you want something reliable, you want something common, simple, and effective. It doesn't have to be the quickest/encrypted, but how many movies have you seen where all modern communication is screwed and they resort to transitor radios or whatever they are called.
Oxyuscan ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:50:29 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Space is very big and very empty, could be the case that it was just the first time t happened while we were listening
Garizondyly ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:51:44 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I think Hydrogen just decided to fuck with us that one time.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:08:48 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
That's the other half of it that I've never really been satisfied with the answers to.
"We're just not looking for it."
Learned-Hand ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:29:55 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
If you have the personnel, resources, and money, there a more interesting and worthwhile endeavors to do.
papa-jones ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:48:02 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
How long have we been looking though really? The galaxy is kinda big lol, it could be only once every 1000 years we get the opportunity to detect one.
MemorableCactus ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:37:38 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
No, because you still need some sort of energy source to make the hydrogen resonate. Despite the fact that hydrogen is very common, massive sources of energy (while numerous) are actually quite "rare" when you think about the ratio of such energy sources to empty space in the universe. So to create this signal, you need a lot of hydrogen interacting with an energy source powerful enough to create the signal. Oh yeah, and you need to be listening for it, which we have only been capable of relatively recently.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:11:29 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Because not all things that happen to vast quantities of hydrogen are necessarily common. It's not like a perfectly even distribution (temperature-wise, spatially) so maybe it's extremely uncommon to see so much at once. Maybe it's due to something rare interacting with hydrogen in such a way that it produces something like the wow signal. I'm not saying those specific ideas are necessarily a possible cause, only providing examples of times when it might be irrelevant that hydrogen is very common.
kevinalexpham ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:30:44 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Not just very common. Isn't it the most common element in the universe? The first to be created?
RenaKunisaki ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:04:28 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Atomic number 1, even.
NoNotRealMagic ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:12:20 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
A common particle in an unusual circumstance.
MegaAlex ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:17:38 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe we'll hear more in 200 years, given that the universe is old and very very big, 200 years isn't a long time.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:31:34 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
If it's a once in a millennium occurrence? Then no, no we wouldn't. We've only been looking for about 80 years.
Katastic_Voyage ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:36:21 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)*
Across how many millions of years of time frame do you want?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydrogen_line
Also, if aliens are so smart, they probably would have known this neat idea too:
Which would make it obvious that it's not a natural phenomena.
Lastly, if aliens exist, and they find us? There's a 99.99999999999% chance that we're fucked. It'd be like a cave man meeting the president of the USA, smacking him (read: do anything they find deeply offensive, which we wouldn't know at all. Remember how pissed other countries have been when the US president shook their hand? And they're of the same race!), and being shot full of holes.
gribbly ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:36:41 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
"Space is big. Really big. You just won't believe how vastly, hugely, mind-bogglingly big it is. I mean, you may think it's a long way down the road to the chemist's, but that's just peanuts to space."
johnnyboyc ยท 23 points ยท Posted at 16:05:54 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
-From Wikipedia Wow! Signal
grkirchhoff ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 16:11:09 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I didn't remember that they were the same distance from the hydrogen line. That makes you think.
johnnyboyc ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:37:10 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Exactly. Could either be intentional to try to tell the receiver intelligent life made it, or it could just be natural error in the measurements or natural variation in the resonance frequency of hydrogen.
[deleted] ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 16:31:21 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)*
"Each digit on the printout represented the intensity of a radio signal, from zero to 35, with intensities over nine being represented by letters. Most of the signals on the printouts were ones and twos. But this one, as signified by the โUโ in the middle, was extremely powerfulโabout 30 times greater than the ordinary ambient noise of deep space. Indeed, it was the loudest, longest signal that the Big Ear, which was shut down and dismantled in 1997, would ever pick up. And the signal was narrowly focused and extremely close to 1420 megahertz, the frequency of hydrogen. In contrast, natural sources of radiation, such as planets, usually send out a much broader range of frequencies."
It's important to note that, because hydrogen is the most abundant and simple element, that the ~1420 MHz signal had been suggested to be a logical choice for these sorts of communications.
The WOW! signal could very well be a natural phenomenon, but not because the signal matched closely to the resonate frequency of hydrogen.
EDIT: moved post up
grkirchhoff ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:38:50 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Care to elaborate?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:01:15 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)*
EDIT: see above
grkirchhoff ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:04:08 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Thank you for the informative post.
yumburrito ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 16:15:57 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
If you were an alien species trying to contact someone that you knew didn't speak your language....hell perhaps may not even communicate verbally at all....wouldn't it make sense to use a signal as universal as possible? Hydrogen seems like a pretty common and important part of the universe to me.
aelendel ยท -6 points ยท Posted at 17:16:26 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
if you were a complete moron, and trying to contact someone that you knew didn't speak your language, you'd use something that could be easily confused for a natural phenomenon?
I'm convinced.
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 17:34:16 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
You do not have a basic understanding of what yumburrito said.
aelendel ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 18:02:20 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
That, or trying to communicate using a signal that looks exactly like a natural phenomenon with people that don't know you exist is stupid.
It's like being outside someone's window and trying to get them to look out by doing a sparrow call.
whatzen ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 18:09:52 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Please read up on what type of signal this was because you are missing the point. The signal was out of the ordinary strength and that's what makes is special. To use your analogy, it was like someone breaking the glass from outside - something that very rarely happens.
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 18:18:33 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Hey, at least he's cocksure in his ignorance.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 18:06:39 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
You have no idea what you're talking about.
Why do you think SETI was tuned to this frequency? Do you think they didn't consider your Sparrow analogy, or that you might be wrong?
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:17:48 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Astronomers call this frequency band the waterhole, for two very good reasons. First, hydrogen and hydroxyl are the disassociation products of water, the best environment for life. Second, these signposts are universal, and would be recognized by any civilization anywhere; and so, like the watercooler at the office that draws a crowd, the waterhole is nature's gathering point on the radio spectrum, a blatantly obvious place for interstellar communities to meet and greet.
Parkwaydrivehighway ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:05:08 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
WHAT IF THEY'RE A BIRD WATCHER HUH? NOW WHAT ARE YOU GONNA DO?
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 16:53:51 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Sorry, what!?
We're looking in that frequency range SPECIFICALLY because we believe that's where an advanced civilization would likely propagate a signal for the purpose of contacting another alien civilization.
Here's a SETI link all about the Hydrogen Line.
The entire nature of the Wow signal is that it DOESN'T correspond to expected "natural" radiation in this band. It's a "spike in the line" as it were, and that's why Ehmen circled it.
heyuwittheprettyface ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:36:50 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
The resonant frequency of hydrogen is exactly the frequency that scientists were (and are) expecting to hear from an alien civilization (see my reply to The_No0b for my layman's explanation of why). The strength of the signal is what makes it unlikely to have occurred naturally; you would need an unimaginably huge number of hydrogen atoms all resonating together to create such a signal spontaneously (if I'm remembering the mechanics of radio correctly). Of course "unlikely" is not the same as "impossible", but I'm sure scientists have been trying quite hard to prove that the signal is nothing to get excited about, and they haven't succeeded yet.
Native411 ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 15:55:27 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
What if it's some very high grade advanced Hydrogen fuel cell for space flight?
grkirchhoff ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 15:57:53 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
It very well could be.
SpiderFnJerusalem ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:49:27 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I always thought that propulsion systems with an extremely high energy output would probably have radiation emissions so strong they would be like huge beacons, "visible" to anyone who happened to be pointing a radio telescope at it.
The sad thing is we can't look for them in every direction at once.
Tomillionaire ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:18:51 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
1420 MHz
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:45:29 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Please research why SETI scientists chose that frequency. They, of course, knew about hydrogen.
ONeill117 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:48:31 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I thought that's what made it so bizarre. The signal was so focused, intense and pure, that it almost can't be random. Like a star exploding might produce hydrogen, but also other stuff too? If we were to send signals to outer space, we'd effectively use exactly the same signal (hydrogen is universal). Or maybe a number related to pi or something, ya dig?
Outsideerr ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:51:36 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Wasn't the theory though that if another life wanted to communicate with us, they would send us something that we both could relate to. And obviously hydrogen is very common...?
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:02:05 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
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mike40033 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:57:19 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
"has long been thought" since when, exactly? Did this idea precede the Wow signal? If not, could the idea that aliens would broadcast on the hydrogen line be a post-facto rationalisation?
BabyNinjaJesus ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:20:17 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
but but but
MegaAlex ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:16:28 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I just want you to be wrong, but I agree with you.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:04:04 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe the aliens used a cloud of hydrogen as an antenna?
AspenSix ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:16:39 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I'm basic this on the pidooma principle, but would it be possible for it to have been a pulsar that jus happened to be pointing basically directly at us for that short time? I'm also lazy and on my phone, so I'm not sure of the types of energy they put out when pulsing...
grkirchhoff ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:23:21 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I am not a pulsar expert. From what I do know though, if a pulsar shot us, it would kill everything.
Having said that, I don't know how fast that energy disperses. So maybe it could be a pulsar that was really far away?
I'm speculating. We don't know what it is. It is likely something that we don't even know what it is yet. But we just don't know yet.
wabbajackwabbajack ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:09:36 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I remember watching a documentary about it and they seem to think it was an extremely powerful supernova or explosion of sorts.
Chiefwalkwithaids ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:24:16 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
The resonant frequency of hydrogen according to wikipedia is 1.4 GHz, if anyone is curious.
DSOTM ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:25:23 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
but isn't the argument that, because the significance of that frequency, and how easy it is to detect, it's also the most likely frequency at which an alien civilization would send signals? So yes, because it wasn't a modulated signal (as DemureCynosure pointed out), and it never repeated itself, it's more likely caused by some unknown natural phenomenon. But we're looking for signals on this frequency because we believe that, if aliens were to be sending out signals for others to detect, this would be the most logical frequency to do it at.
destiny84 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:16:44 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
ELI5: how can an element like hydrogen emit a signal?
ijkeyes ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:13:52 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Hydrogen is 21cm, I believe.
heyuwittheprettyface ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 17:23:44 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
This is actually what makes the signal a WOW!-worthy event. Because hydrogen is the simplest and most common element (and every other element comes from hydrogen that has been squeezed together), it's kind of a "universal lowest-common-denominator" (that's why Dr. Manhattan drew one on his forehead). People much smarter than I postulate that if an advanced species wanted to broadcast their presence, they would use the resonant frequency of hydrogen because it's a constant that any other advanced species would be aware of.
[deleted] ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 15:52:12 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I think the point is that it could just be a signal sent by a star that exploded very far away.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:32:31 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
No... it's not.
skwerrel ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 15:50:09 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
But as the most abundant element in our universe it has long been speculated that if an alien civilization were to send signals specifically designed to be picked up by other worlds who might be listening, they are likely to choose that very frequency. It's backwards logic that presupposes that aliens would think anything like us, but does make a certain amount of sense.
grkirchhoff ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:00:27 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
True, but it could also be natural phenomena. We just don't know.
skwerrel ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:23:08 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Agreed
CheeseNBacon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:55:20 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
It's the thinking they would want to contact anyone else that is the backwards logic there. Assuming that they do it is physics that determines the ideal frequencies to use.
skwerrel ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:30:22 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Well physics gives us the resonant frequency of hydrogen. Thinking that others will be listening to that frequency just because hydrogen is the most abundant element is the backwards logic part. It is natural for a human to see abundance as significant but that wouldn't necessarily apply with an alien mind/culture. They might not even base their logic on what frequency to use on anything related to matter at all. There is just no way to know what an alien would find 'significant', and therefore no way to extrapolate what they'd think is commonly significant among intelligent beings.
But, since there is no way to know this, until a better idea comes along, we go with what makes sense to us (the hydrogen thing).
CheeseNBacon ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:42:51 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
True. They could just easily think some rare or extreme frequency would be the best choice.
Though this reminds of something I read somewhere about a bunch of scientist trying to devise what would be the most clear, easiest to decipher message to send to an alien race, and then had a bunch of other scientist try to figure it out and no-one could figure it out. So the fact that even between humans we can't find the same things obvious and significant is kind of telling about our odds of guessing what an alien intelligence would think.
skwerrel ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:48:14 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Yep, the odds of ever being able to significantly communicate with a totally alien species are very small, for a variety of reasons. But the alternative is to not even try at all, so it's better than nothing. Hopefully the aliens are a bit smarter than us, I guess.
Obi_Kwiet ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 15:54:05 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
So an advanced alien civilization would try to communicate by choosing signal that would be easily confused with natural phenomena?
That's grasping at straws.
skwerrel ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:43:57 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
The idea is that since hydrogen is the most abundant element in the universe (a fact that is observably universal, and not specific to any culture, planet, or even region of space) intelligent beings will all be aware of what it's resonant frequency is, and find it scientifically significant. And yes, even be scanning the skies at that frequency to observe those natural phenomena, if not for signals specifically.
I agree it's grasping at straws, but resources are limited and if narrow bands are scanned, they can cover more sky. Nobody has any better ideas on how to guess at which frequency to scan, so for now the general consensus is to go with the hydrogen thing. And it's not like I'm the one doing the grasping, I'm just repeating it.
But the Wow! signal was probably not artificial. If it was, we don't have enough data to interpret it, so it's a moot point. But lots of people who actually do work at radio telescopes searching for ET signals believe in the logic of the hydrogen thing, and they'd know better than I would.
finite_turtles ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:24:57 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I think the logic is that using that frequency allows the signal to be transmitted further than any other frequency.
So, using a signal that is less ambigious would stand out more. But by using that frequency you can get the message to reach further away planets.
The telescope that observed the signal was fixed in place and rellied on the rotation of the earth to look at different parts of space. So we could not detect the whole signal, just a brief part of it until the earth rotated away and it could no longer be heard. Our own communication has moved towards FM these days which uses only a single frequency to broadcast messages. Could be the signal was doing the same and if it was then that frequency makes sense.
I agree with you though, probably some weird space phenominon we will discover later on. If we discover a signal using the same frequency that starts counting in binary or listing off prime/fibonachi numbers then we can start talking seriously about alien communication. But it's not like the appologists are just pulling stuff out of their asses.
whatzen ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:55:01 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
This is true, but that makes it even more interesting. If anyone intelligent would like to emit a signal this would be the band to choose as the recipient would be familiar with hydrogen's frequency. The fact that we don't know of any natural phenomenon doing this makes it even more interesting.
grkirchhoff ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 16:04:00 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
That is assuming earth logic. Perhaps there is another frequency which is preferable for other reasons we don't know about.
whatzen ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:14:15 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
That could be. But if you want to communicate with someone unknown in the universe logically you would choose the most common denominator which is hydrogen, regardless where you are in the universe (assuming we don't go into dark matter which would make it all the more interesting but that's nothing we know anything about).
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:44:07 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Imo that makes it more weird, not less weird. The people at SETI knew this. That's precisely why they chose the channel.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:04:41 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
It was stated before funding SETI that if alien civilization exists they would try to contact other civilizations at this exact frequency, because hrydrogenis the most common element in the universe.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:48:56 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Astronomers call this frequency band the waterhole, for two very good reasons. First, hydrogen and hydroxyl are the disassociation products of water, the best environment for life. Second, these signposts are universal, and would be recognized by any civilization anywhere; and so, like the watercooler at the office that draws a crowd, the waterhole is nature's gathering point on the radio spectrum, a blatantly obvious place for interstellar communities to meet and greet.
centaurskull17 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:54:37 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
So did they record a star death or some similar astronomical event?
grkirchhoff ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:59:51 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
We don't know.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:44:35 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
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grkirchhoff ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:49:58 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I am aware that an advanced civilization could have done it. I also think that it could be natural. I don't know enough to give probabilities. It would just seem to me to be less likely to be natural if it was a frequency that wasn't near the natural frequency of anything.
LeaveMeBe420 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:47:21 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
yes, i agree. Seems like that would be the way to go if life wanted to contact us, instead of giving us a chance to speculate.
Alex4921 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:52:17 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Also interesting is this is the most widely accepted frequency that an extraterrestrial signal would originate on due to the fact it's the most 'basic' frequency in the universe...the resonant frequency of the most common element.
jamesccardwell ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:52:11 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Actually its more remarkable. Since the universe is something like 98% hydrogen and ISM is mainly Hydrogen it means that the best way to transmit something over interstellar distances is through that frequency.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:58:43 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
How is it less weird?
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kidpost ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 15:20:14 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
You know what I forgot that you just reminded me of? That the Wow! signal was at the same frequency as Hydrogen. Which is just mind blowing. It's exactly what you would expect from an alien civilization trying to communicate with us.
If the signal is what we think it is, it's exciting for one major reason: "they" thought to do the same thing we would have done. Transmit a super high powered radio wave at a frequency that had some kind of mathematical significance. If they're out there, maybe we don't think so differently after all.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:23:24 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Neat! I actually live a few blocks from the Perkins Observatory!
trekkie1701c ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 15:20:04 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Probably longer. 72 seconds was the observation window that we had of that particular area of space, and it lasted the duration of that window, so it was likely going on before and after the signal was picked up by the radio telescope (the signal did get stronger and peak in the middle as would be expected by the motion of the radio telescopes, or rather, the motion of the Earth)
aaaaaaaarrrrrgh ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:21:37 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
However, there were two observation windows and the signal was only observed during one of them.
trekkie1701c ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:27:04 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)*
True, though that only means that the signal terminated less than three minutes after it stopped being observed (or well, 3 minutes + travel time, but hey)
(Note that I'm not arguing that it was some hugely long message; but the facts do seem to support that it was at least slightly longer than 72 seconds. It obviously doesn't seem too repetitive - otherwise we would have gotten another positive on it - so it was probably a one-off event. That it probably lasted slightly longer than 72 seconds is pretty much just an observation, and is not meant to imply anything else by it.)
tameimpalea ยท 64 points ยท Posted at 15:07:06 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
And how is a radio signal from space "supernatural"?
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potential_hermit ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 15:45:39 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Supernatural: (of a manifestation or event) attributed to some force beyond scientific understanding or the laws of nature. We don't understand the origin of this particular radio signal, so I think it qualifies.
ThePantsParty ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:25:31 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not sure how you got upvotes when your definition directly contradicts the example.
A radio signal is not beyond the laws of nature. There is nothing about a radio signal that implies it came from something outside the physical universe.
Garek ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:13:42 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Hardly, it would have to be impossible as far as science could tell to be supernatural.
Moj88 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:49:15 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I think HiisingPixels is mixing up supernatural with extraterrestrial life. I understand the mixup, considering they both fall under unproven speculation
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Frozen_narwhal ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:25:00 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Because we usually dont receive radio signals from space that would require 2.2 gigawatts if power
Defrostmode ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:47:02 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
And when we do, it's from a Delorean with a malfunctioning Mr. Fusion.
ThePantsParty ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:26:17 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Your statement is as true as it is unrelated to the definition of 'supernatural'.
stefincognito ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:35:58 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
It would depend on how one would define the word. If a potential signal from another sentient species in our universe is "supernatural," then it could be called that. I think the word "anomaly" would likely be more apt, especially since we really have no idea who/what created the signal. It certainly is fascinating, though!
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:20:03 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
"outside our current scientific understanding but still possible given the rules of the universe" is still supernatural.
Chaosflare44 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:11:52 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
That's a pretty weak definition of supernatural then. How the large hadron collider works is beyond my scientific understanding, yet it's safe for me to assume it's not supernatural.
I'd give you the signal is unusual, and presently unexplainable, but the term supernatural carries certain 'weight' with it. It has certain meanings and connotations that I don't feel are appropriate for describing this event.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:16:29 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
yeah man im pretty drunk, i can see your point. how about we can both be right in our different ways
ThePantsParty ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 08:27:49 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Well your way of being right is to be wrong...
Supernatural specifically refers to something that is outside of the natural world. Something that is not compatible with the laws of nature.
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Supernatural
adjective 1. of, pertaining to, or being above or beyond what is natural; unexplainable by natural law or phenomena; abnormal.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:47:10 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
A while back I visited the Haystack observatory in Massachusetts. I was all excited to ask the scientists there about the wow signal. One of them had never even heard of it and the other brushed it off as being essentially insignificant. I was so disappointed!
voltron818 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:48:42 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
More extraterrestrial than supernatural to me.
That is super cool though, thanks for sharing.
keiyakins ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:49:18 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
They asked for supernatural, not weird phenomina that happen in our universe.
Orpheeus ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:19:48 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
That's not supernatural...
If aliens existed they would be bound by the same laws of the universe as we are.
Just saying.
armorandsword ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:18:11 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
This isn't really "supernatural"...just an unusual astronomical occurrence.
red-moon ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:54:41 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Why is evidence of intelligent life on another world 'supernatural'? Wouldn't it be natural?
beener ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:57:14 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
How is that supernatural?
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:46:48 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
The audio from the WOW signal
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZAKy_08klrg&feature=youtube_gdata_player
Not_A_Hyperbole ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:40:59 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Anyone else see the smiley face that guy made on the circle part of the exclamation point?
Purplethesheep ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:20:35 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Wow
LelouchViMajesti ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 15:05:01 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I'm a bit lazy and not that good in reading english so was it artificial (another intelligent life somewhere) or is their any chance this is pure coincidence or mistakes ?
Postius ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 15:07:24 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Yes
CptMurphy ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 15:16:23 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Agreed. Good Point.
short-timer ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:18:33 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not an expert but logic dictates that it's just an amazing coincidence. It's only notable for being a predictable pattern but despite that it has not been repeated again.
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Cyberslasher ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:34:11 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
OK. Here's how it understand it from classes, but please note I am NOT an astrophysicist.
fact 1) Hydrogen resonoates at a frequency of 1420 Hz.
fact 2) Hydrogen is the most common element in the universe
premise 1) Therefore, Hydrogen spectrum transmissions will transmit furthest, and are likely used by any extraterrestrial communications.
fact 3) There was a massive burst of nearly 1420 Hz radiation detected by the Big Ear. It maintained itself at near constant intensity, increasing parabolically as the Big Ear came closer and closer to pointing directly at the point before pointing farther away with the Earth's orbit. By the time the Big Ear was again aligned at that location, nothing could be detected.
premise 2) Therefore, since there is no known reason for a sudden burst of Hydrogen "noise" to maintain a constant bandwidth or intensity for such a long period of time.......
Anzai ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 15:08:52 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Even if it turned out to be an alien signal and not a coronal mass ejection or something like that, it would still not be supernatural.
CheeseNBacon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:53:53 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I think people are confusing supernatural and paranormal. Like UFOs and aliens and stuff are paranormal, but not supernatural. And stuff like the x-files and ancient aliens and stuff just kinda treat them as the same.
Anzai ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:24:02 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Well supernatural would be things outside of our scientific understanding of nature and physics. By definition, the supernatural doesn't exist.
CheeseNBacon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:39:19 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
not just our understanding of it, but it at all. Just cause we can;t explain something doesn't mean it doesn't exist or there isn't an explanation for, just that we don't have it yet. But that would fall into the category of paranormal. Supernatural is outside of physics and nature, unexplainable by them, and that certainly means they don't exist. The problem is that people tend to use these terms interchangeably which I guess is where the confusion is coming.
Anyway, I think we agree aliens != supernatural.
Anzai ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:42:35 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Right agreed. If someone was to violate established laws of physics right in front of use, we still wouldn't think it's supernatural. We would assume our established laws of physics weren't quite established enough.
Well most of use would, anyway. Well some of us at least. Well you and I would.
cobras89 ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 15:41:32 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Actually it would be, as anything "Not of our world" is technically something supernatural.
k0mbaticus ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:11:47 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
This is bullshit - you're oversimplifying a complex situation to the point of no longer adding anything useful to the discussion.
Anzai ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:20:10 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Supernatural means outside of nature. As in outside our scientific understanding of physics and the other sciences. It doesn't just refer to earth. Cosmology is not supernatural just because it's not looking at things on 'our world'.
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Zacharydactyl ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:09:39 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, I've known about the signal for some time, but I never knew about its frequency and the hydrogen line. That makes it soo much more interesting and convincing.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:20:05 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I think I remember reading somewhere the signal came from a Neutron star, and not an alien as supernaturalists like to believe.
andybest277 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:32:33 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Nothing but a statistical accumulation. Sorry for the disappointment.
ImJustPassinBy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:32:42 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
While it sure is outstanding, I don't think it is anything supernatural...
masterbard1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:36:45 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
quote from wikipedia
"Scientists say that if the signal came from extraterrestrials, they are likely to be an extremely advanced civilization, as the signal would have required a 2.2-gigawatt transmitter, vastly more powerful than any on Earth.[13]"
NorthNumberTwo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:00:50 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I have only very limited understanding of these things, but wouldn't one have to know exactly where and when the signal was sent from and where it was meant to be sent in order to factor out interferences and Doppler effects? Could somebody ELI5 this to me?
DerangedPickle ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:06:17 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
wow
JablesRadio ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:08:44 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
The numeric transmission 5 triple-zero was received repeatedly, without interruption for eight whole days. It stopped, suddenly, on the ninth; and that's when the destruction began.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:21:17 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/33/Nicolas_Cage_2011_CC.jpg
In response to ourlords signal reaching them
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:30:51 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
my god. just the idea that maybe someone located and signaled us. Did we send something back? Or wouldn't that be possible since we don't know the origin and don't know how much it has moved since?
whatzen ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:44:44 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)*
Yeah, don't worry. We can't pinpoint the origin even though we have tried to search the whole neighborhood of that region of space - it's just too vast. The signal we received was just so extraordinary but it is probably more likely come from a natural source that we cannot yet identify or explain. Also, noone is sending us specifically any signals, it was a random burst more like a lighthouse beacon than anything else.
We are constantly sending radio signals out to space but these are very weak and haven't yet traveled far.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:51:17 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I heard humans sent out bursts of information as well. Were those more like lighthouse signals as well?
whatzen ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:05:25 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Sorry, I wasn't clear enough. The received signal could have come from a lighthouse type of origin where the signal is sent to every direction in bursts. One of these 'hit' us and when we tried to look for it again it wasn't there anymore.
Our signals are the radio waves we have sent out unintentionally since the radio's invention. These signals go to all directions but are weak and have barely passed our neighboring stars. I don't know if we have ever sent a specific signal to a specific direction - but I don't think so. Definitely not of the signal strength that the Wow! signal was of.
OriginalityIsDead ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:33:57 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Nope. Wow signal can be easily explained by Pareidolia.
AhhhBROTHERS ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:39:26 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Damn, we're doomed if they ever get this one back. I can'thelp nut think of humanity's collective stupidity contained in these tweets:
In 2012, on the 35th anniversary of the Wow! signal, Arecibo Observatory beamed a response from humanity, containing 10,000 Twitter messages, in the direction from which the signal originated.[13][14] In the response, Arecibo scientists have attempted to increase the chances of intelligent life receiving and decoding the celebrity videos and crowd-sourced Tweets by attaching a repeating sequence header to each message that will let the recipient know that the messages are intentional and from another intelligent life form.
lukin187250 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:47:29 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
figgy_puddin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:50:46 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
And we replied by send Twitter messages?! No one is ever going to talk to us again!
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:06:17 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Is there an audio of this? I'm guess not a chance?
RyanCantDrum ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:21:32 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Holy fuck could that be intelligent life sending us a signal or unintelligent life that just talk in very different pitches. Either way, we should respond with the same signal, and then add a more human "wow" at the end.
99Faces ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:40:49 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Well..... this isn't a photo at all
ManBearPig92 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:50:45 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
And we responded by sending "them" tweets. -.- Even if they did get the message, do you think pop culture is the best message to send?
gav42 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:55:08 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Qwartezoid ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:30:31 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
So signal, Very extraterrestrial, Much unknown, Wow!
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:31:43 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I live close to where that signal was received. I never knew that.
Hammy6615 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:42:13 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Read the book '172 hours on the moon', it is a great fiction novel where the focus is on this signal
chaseoc ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:54:49 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
lol
GrinningPariah ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:56:23 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
So, lots of people wonder about the Wow! signal why it doesn't "say" anything (other than a burst of noise at the hydrogen resonance band), and infer that this probably isn't aliens.
But! There's a question you can ask which makes this much more interesting: What's the most powerful signal that we've ever shot into space?
xkcd's What If tackles the question thoroughly and entertainingly and you should read it, but assuming you dont here's the short version:
It's not any communication broadcast or anything recognizable. The most powerful signal we've ever sent into space is from the Arecibo Observatory (Which you may recognize from Goldeneye). This massive telescope does more than just receive; It can fire a radio beam out into space to bounce off nearby planets and asteroids so the radio telescope can see them more clearly, like a flashlight.
An alien civilization who was behind one of the beam's targets when it was firing would observe a brief burst of radio signal, and then silence. Much like the Wow! signal.
Maybe for that brief instant, we were caught in the beam of an ultra high powered alien telescope. Yes, I know it's close to the frequency of resonating hydrogen, but who's to say these aliens dont generate their telescope's beam by forcing resonating hydrogen to emit vast amounts of energy, in a way we don't understand yet?
xPyrox99 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:19:01 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
So 35 years later, they sent a reply up of 10,000 tweets, to show that we are an intelligent race. Oh god help us.
hairy_gogonuts ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:23:50 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
So, no blueprints for travel ?
I_cant_find_my_keys ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:41:04 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
wow. much radio signal
whisp_r ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:58:18 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Hilariously, we replied 35 years later with a bunch of tweets.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:13:30 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
It's obviously not intelligent life. If it was, they would have plenty of opportunity to make themselves known beside this signal.
It's like when people say God made himself known through a handful of ancient prophets who lived thousands of years ago, yet bizarrely didn't bother talking to anyone else since.
john2kxx ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:22:37 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
wow
such signal
GAMEchief ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:26:46 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
How do we know it wasn't just some natural phenomenon in space that caused this, though?
dandaman0345 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:59:02 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
The concept of it is definitely creepy. Not because it is indicative of anything, but more because it shows how little we know about our Universe. It is a BIG place, and sometimes, random radio signals and shit will just kind of fly by us, and we have no clue where they come from. We look out to the universe, but there is only darkness. That is some creepy shit.
277clash ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:04:16 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
It was also the day Elvis died.
Nezgul ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:08:59 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Wasn't that proven to be a signal coming from a yet-undiscovered pulsar? Or am I thinking of something else?
Naggers123 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:23:05 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
It was only by chance did we find out that it meant something. And then it had taken the best and brightest of our world, with the most advanced technology humanity has ever conceived, to merely glimpse a shadow into the meaning of 6EQUJ5. And what we found, well... somethings are better left in the dark.
There was only word that could be salvaged from the signal. A word that will define our place in the universe.
That word is Dickbutt.
Cartossin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:15:11 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Presumably radio transmissions from aliens are NOT supernatural.
kittyclawz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:20:23 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Dying stars and black holes often emit radio waves. There's lot's of space in space (durr) so the waves may not have been blocked by much of anything until they just so happened to be picked up by our equipment god-knows-how-long later.
Oknight ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:21:13 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)*
Oooh, something on reddit I know about.
It actually lasted some unknown time longer than 72 seconds but less than 24 hours and it disappeared some time between 72 seconds and 24 hours after it was seen, never to be seen again. We can't say if it turned on before we watched it that day or if it turned off some time after we watched it that day. But it wasn't there the day before or the day after and we only saw it once.
The antenna was fixed to be pointed by the rotation of the Earth. We only observed the signal in one of two feed horns (receiver antennas on the radio telescope) -- those feed horns were arranged so that the view of the second one followed the first "across the sky" by about 3 minutes.
This was a clever trick that eliminated all local signal interference. Horn 1 was positive and horn 2 was negative, so what was actually measured was the difference between the two focus points offset "east/west" by 3 minutes -- this meant any radio signal coming in from anywhere other than the antenna beams in the sky (such as a cop car or airplane) would hit BOTH horns equally at the same time and the difference would be zero. If a plane or satellite went through the beams, the signal intensity would increase and decrease based on their speed against the fixed sky and their signals would be obviously local. Only a signal that appeared stationary against the sky would appear in one horn, get stronger based on the telescope's profile then drop off only to be picked up by the next beam as the Earth turned.
The print-out only showed the difference between the two beams, at that time they didn't have the sophistication to indicate if that total was positive (meaning more signal in the leading view) or negative (trailing feed horn's view) -- so we don't know if the signal was there before the telescope reached it and then turned off before the second view or if it wasn't there in the first view and turned on before the second feed looked at it's location. As a result we don't know which of the two feed horns saw it so it could have been from one of two different possible spots on the sky.
The letters on the printout indicate the total signal intensity in each of 50 adjacent channels with each character 0-9/A-Z (10 = A, 11 = B, etc) showing the total difference in intensity taken every 12 seconds or so -- meaning the print-out could record a maximum of 36 times background intensity (that says it close enough).
The signal exactly matched the antenna's profile, meaning it was fixed against the sky (so further away than the Earth's moon). The signal bandwidth was narrower than 10khz (about an AM radio station's channel) and it was roughly 32 times the background intensity. Very few natural sky sources are that strong and none are in that narrow a bandwidth. This, combined with the fact that it turned-on and turned-off makes it an exact match for what the OSU SETI project was looking for and strongly suggests it was artificial.
The system appears to have been working normally based on that day's observation of known, natural sky radio sources -- there are no apparent technical errors (and certainly nothing could easily duplicate that perfect a signal profile).
Unfortunately, it was never seen again in many follow up searches that have thoroughly examined both possible sky locations with a wide variety of equipment.. and has to be considered a dead end -- something that went bump in the night.
TrueSouldier ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:38:22 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Read the attached article. We replied with a message containing 10,000 tweets and celebrity videos. I guess we are just letting them know that defeating us won't be a challenge huh?
balkenbrij ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:17:55 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
don't forget the bloop signal and others, i love these things.
copperbricks ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:31:06 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Wow! Much signal
[deleted] ยท 152 points ยท Posted at 17:21:35 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Does anyone remember a video of a police car chase in the middle of the night, the only lights on the road are each car's lights (the rest is pitch black), and in a moment the runaway car takes a turn to the left, the police car does the same almost immediately and it meets nothing but a fence (the position lights of the runaway car are nowhere to be found)?
I don't know if they found out an explanation for that one.
EDIT: Here.
[deleted] ยท 66 points ยท Posted at 01:11:26 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Finally! I've been waiting for someone to ask about this because I can explain the fence part! This was back in like 2005 IIRC, and my dad was making a delivery to one of his clients (he owned a very tiny warehouse and had one employee, they sold chemicals). Well while driving down this really shitty road a car lost control, ran off the road, UNDER a chain link fence, and in the middle of a dirt lot. The driver ended up being a teacher at the local high school, and she was having a seizure. My dad helped her (with like two other people who witnessed it), and she made it through. Funny thing was when the police got there they were confused as to how the car got in a locked lot (everyone just jumped the fence, until the authorities arrived to cut the lock and chain on the fence). My dad told them what happened and they were impressed. So the car hit the fence, but since it wasn't really well secured (speculation) it was able to just bend upwards to allow the car through. Then, it just fell back into place. Zero damage to the fence, but that car was scratched to all hell. So I'm pretty sure the driver of the car knew this, or was really really lucky!
UrbanRenegade19 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 08:44:52 on December 16, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Looking at the video, your idea makes sense. It was a relatively short car(or really tall fence) and the posts of the fence were closer to the road.
cochi522 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 12:20:36 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Wow that's horrible. Was she running from the cops then had a seizure? Or was the entire video after a seizure? I can't imagine not having enough control over myself to end up driving that way.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:33:52 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
No no no no. The video, and what my dad experienced were two completely different situations.
XxmsmaliciousxX ยท 116 points ยท Posted at 19:19:31 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I think they did this on fact or faked. They re created it and the car did go through the fence. It was a loose fence that snapped back down when he drove through it. I think it was the first episode they did.
marlovious ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 19:53:44 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
As the cop comes up to the fence, you can see the top cross bar is hanging down on the left side. I think the car went through the fence to the left of where the cop stopped.
FlaByrd ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:21:22 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
If I remember right the guy fleeing simply went under the fence.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:57:29 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
The fence is clearly dented if you look at the top of the bar at 1:34. It just popped back up after he ran over it?
BlimeyChaps ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 13:58:21 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Kavinsky sampled this video in one of his songs, the idea of this has always interested me.
whenyouknowyouknow ยท 734 points ยท Posted at 14:45:10 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
the norway spiral video really seemed to leave my head scratching http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ax2ITilnHlc
apparently it was a missile gone rogue, and everything lined up just right to view it like this but still
phantomganonftw ยท 983 points ยท Posted at 15:08:33 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I think I'm more afraid of the fact that missiles can "go rogue" than I am at the possibility of supernatural things existing.
kit8642 ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 19:34:42 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
There's a couple issues with the rouge missile idea.
The spiral is reletively slow and looks nothing like the failed missile attempts that have been use to compare them.
Russian denied any missile test for a couple day before say it was.
Lastly and most importantly, this was the same night Obama received his Nobel Peace Prize in Norway. If it was a Russian failed missile test, it should have been a huge international scandal for the fact they were running missile test over Norway while Obama was present.
eviltrollwizard ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:05:39 on December 16, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
It was reported and proven after the fact to be a test rocket. Not a missile as in they are shooting at someone but a missile test. The test failed and has been duplicated several times with exact results. It's not a scandal because people test rockets all the time there is nothing sinister about testing a rocket.
kit8642 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:32:40 on December 16, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Do you have a source where they were able to reproduce the results? Also a missile test is considered a show of force with the President about to receive the Nobel Piece Prize. I don't see how that could be considered anything else.
eviltrollwizard ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 06:05:40 on December 16, 2013 ยท (Permalink)*
No. A nuke test is. people test missiles every day. Not all missiles are weapons. edit: http://www.universetoday.com/47219/what-was-the-norway-spiral/
classic__schmosby ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 17:50:20 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Broken Arrow
FulciFan ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 04:14:57 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Would you mind not shooting at the thermal nuclear device?
keiyakins ยท 43 points ยท Posted at 15:54:23 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
By 'go rogue' they mean 'control failed, usually because some idiot installed an accelerometer backwards', not 'decided to take over the world'.
[deleted] ยท 74 points ยท Posted at 16:16:28 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Exactly. An uncontrollable missile is fucking terrifying.
keiyakins ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 16:27:20 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, but even most things for war have good range safety systems, because blowing up your launch site is a bad thing.
TheGangstaPillow ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 19:43:58 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Its great that it won't blow up your launch site but what about the city it hits because its uncontrolled?
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:21:16 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Possible, but not likely.
They don't just test missiles whenever they want. There are strict quality control measures. Sometimes, the missile is just badly designed, or the missile itself is just old. In either case, test missiles are shot with a counter measure inside the war head, or some kind of AAW defense in place.
Tomahawk land attack missiles, in the event something goes wrong, will actually choose the furthest location from civilization reachable, bury itself, then detonate.
dragead ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:08:07 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Still scary.
NoNeedForAName ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:35:50 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Either that or they've become sentient, which is equally as likely. Probably even more likely. We don't call 'em "smart bombs" for nothing, right?
phantomganonftw ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:08:22 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
haha ok, that's not quite so terrifying. I had images in my head of a missile going off course and no one being able to fix whatever bug was causing the problem.
c0deater ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 18:57:42 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
You have no idea how often missles in Garry's mod gbombs add on can go art and spiral just like this
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:06:36 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
If you watch the challenger explosion you can see the thrusters still firing in a very nondirectional path that begins to spiral, so theoretically a falling thruster could do the same.
phantomganonftw ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:00:48 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Yep, that's definitely scarier to me than ghosts and aliens.
Balony1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:52:48 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Norwegian missles never learn
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:54:57 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Fucking rogues... All stealthy and stealing your loot...
JeremyIsTheName ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:34:16 on December 21, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
That's when I know that statement is a lie if a missile really did go "rouge" they wouldn't admit to it because that would make them look imperfect
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:07:22 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norwegian_rocket_incident
Vinator ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 19:53:00 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Not to be confused with 2009 Norwegian spiral anomaly.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ra7FMnpWMhY
STUFF416 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:05:31 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
This is the one I was thinking of.
RubberDong ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 19:13:51 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Yarp.
If ghosts exist...they probably kill 10...12 people per year? Also if ghosts exist...then no worries because you know...eternal life and all.
But missiles...they kill thousands of people. And you know what is worst than ghosts?
Eternal nothingness.
LostAtFrontOfLine ยท 97 points ยท Posted at 15:13:10 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
That is brilliant. If I had seen that in real life I wouldn't think missile messing with particles in the air, I would be beyond reasoning. Especially the video that doesn't show the spiral, where you suddenly see the dark circle growing. That looks horrifying.
ThatNordicGuy ยท 70 points ยท Posted at 15:52:36 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I actually DID see it in real life, and honestly, UFOs and the supernatural never crossed my mind. It looked cool and all, but the pictures makes it look a hell of a lot freakier than it actually was.
Jag_Slave ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 19:52:29 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I saw a UFO once. I always thought I would freak out about it but actually it was a very calm experience. I was mostly just full of curiosity.
Daiwon ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:39:09 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
You can't just leave it at that!
Jag_Slave ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:39:04 on December 16, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
LOL Sorry! It may be a huge let down. But basically I was just outside helping my dad install guttering. I looked up and saw a ball of pure (yellow/white) light. I pointed it out to my dad and he and I both just kinda stopped talking and stared at it gliding by. It was about the size of a car and couldnt have been 200ft above us. Dead silent. And so bright I couldnt make out a real shape other than to just say it was a glowing orb. It just cruised by nearly to the horizon before I thought to get my camera out. UFO PIC1 Enhanced and UFO Pic 2 Original
kneeonbelly ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 22:41:27 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
He checks out.
djaclsdk ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:50:32 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Junji Ito's Uzumaki
cheestaysfly ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:56:09 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Spirals!
n3onfx ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 15:43:20 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Failed russian missile launch (Russia even confirmed it), one of the stages went spiralling in the upper atmosphere.
Daiwon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:39:51 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
If I've learnt anything from Kerbal Space Program ...
prosummobono ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 14:59:13 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I saw a tv program that explained how this phenomenon occured and you are correct. It was a failed launch of a missile from another country that made the clouds in Norway appear like that.
daats_end ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 16:14:22 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Correct. It was Russia iir and it was a planned launch. As in, they had gone through the necessary channels to announce it internationally beforehand.
GoTeamZelda ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:03:15 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
that's really creepy
rawbamatic ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:11:19 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Creepy, but that has happened more than once in the world and it is indeed a failed missile.
Sempais_nutrients ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 16:19:59 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Sauce
rawbamatic ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 17:27:46 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Google "failed missile spiral" and you'll find several.
Learn to do things yourself.
Sempais_nutrients ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:40:52 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Nah dog, if you're gonna talk about something like it's evidence then you need to provide it. Don't just be an ass and go 'wull this things has happened before. You go look it up, I'll go home.'
Dick.
vfxDan ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:54:21 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Goddamn, that looks like a wormhole opening up.
Yelacat ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:30:26 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
That's probably what would have been my first thought. I remember when this happened, i was fascinated by it
harassmaster ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:59:04 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I can't believe this isn't higher on the list.
Cerealkillr95 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:01:00 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
That effect should totally be used in alien invader movies.
alva3 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:15:25 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
It wasn't just Norway. http://youtu.be/LxALO9SW1oc
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:30:20 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
"Missile gone rogue" lol. Terrible cover story.
Timelord343 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:57:46 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
If you were a civilian and just looked up at the sky you would seriously think that the world was ending.
99bowlsonthewall ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 15:34:09 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
That doesn't look explainable by missiles...
TadDunbar ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 16:51:58 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Imagine a missile spiraling out of control high in the atmosphere.
The rocket exhaust forms the tight corkscrew spiral, while venting fuel sprays outward and forms the larger broad spiral. This all takes place high in the atmosphere, high enough to catch the sun's light and illuminate.
APiousCultist ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:14:51 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
There's a good photo of a airplane turbine with coloured smoke put through, exhibiting the same kind of spiral.
Vinator ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:58:27 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
"Jonathan McDowell, an astrophysicist at the HarvardโSmithsonian Center for Astrophysics, had already suggested that the unusual light display occurred when the missile's third stage nozzle was damaged, causing the exhaust to come out sideways and sending the missile into a spin"
Apparently it also came out sideways, which can be clearly seen here
Legolasbaoge ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:54:30 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Looks like the missile went threw the clouds..
arbre420 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:31:09 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I'd like to submit another explaination:
A strong spot lights a light fog. The air is just past it's water saturation... something like 100.12% moisture. The spot heats the fog which vaporizes and creates a wind going upward and along the ray of light (as the ray goes upward). the fog comes from the darkness into the spotlight and is slurped in a spiral motion while being dissolved.
What do you think?
CookieDoughCooter ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:02:00 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)*
Didn't a UFO get caught on tape coming down and activating then deactivating nuclear warheads in the U.S. in the last 20 years? I remember seeing it on the news. Any searches for it on the web just lead to a bunch of fucking UFO websites, which are, for obvious reasons, invalid resources.
Edit - I was probably thinking of the Rendlesham Forest Incident. About one half dozen US Air Force Officers had to testify on the subject of "U.S. Nuclear Weapons Have Been Compromised by Unidentified Aerial Objects."[60]
Here's another juicy one, taken from this redditor's post below:
AWildAnonHasAppeared ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:11:54 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Everyone's saying its a failed russian missle launch, but we had one of those over israel as well. So there were 2 failures, that made the exact same result?
emkay99 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:29:48 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I like the subsequent video being promoted in the right-hand column of that page: "Norway Spiral fulfills Fatima prophecy"!
kit8642 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:44:17 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Just so you know, this was the same night Obama received his Nobel peace prize and was present in Norway. The failed missile test should have created a international news, but nothing, also Russia first denied any tests at that time.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:37:32 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
There was one like it in Australia too... On phone but can find link later...
ThisIsTheZodiacSpkng ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:07:46 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Something like this happened near my home in North Hollywood one day, right in plain view of the entire city. I think it might have been 2002-2003, I don't really remember. It looked almost exactly the same. A trail leading out into the sky that looked like a projector of some kind, that looked like it went out to space. It started to spiral, but instead of just opening up like in this video, there was some kind of explosion. It then proceeded to "melt" from the sky, like spilt paint or something. It was both AMAZING and BEAUTIFUL. It resembled a super-nova. Hundreds of colors from red to white to green to blue to every color in between. Me and some friends (we were maybe 13 at the time) recorded it while I jokingly did an impersonation of a "paranormal investigator" in front of the camera. I have no idea where that recording is now, or if it even still exists. It was huge, and I mean HUGE. Maybe covered about 1/16th of the sky. Strangely enough, though, I have never heard it brought up anywhere. It seems as though my friends and I are the only ones who saw it. I still have no clue what it was.
MolestingMollusk ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:57:25 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I always figured this was a weaponized black hole test. That sounds crazy, but it totally looks like a black hole.
EdibleTampons ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:16:37 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
This looks so much like a Black Hole, of course I don't think it's possible for earth to be so close to a Black Hole that we are able to see it, but not be sucked up in to it.
Reminds me of the Russian Meteorite http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=90Omh7_I8vI
schtroumpfette ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:26:11 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Looks like a world portal from Rayman. Neat.
MrSkarvoey ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:29:48 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I was doing military service in Northern-Norway when this happened! Looked so god damn cool, and we were all in awe over it. The video doesn't represent it very well, what we saw was a blue spiral covering almost a third of the sky. Absolutely amazing! Although we heard it was a research project in Russia involving water in the atmosphere or someting like that.
sushisection ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:52:40 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Heres a pretty good explanation of the event. This guy even replicated it with a computer model http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=bb2_1260472323
do_you_even_liftbro ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:30:00 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
what were they launching a missile at?
Dr_Mrs_TheM0narch ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:44:51 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Wormhole?
octopuswolf ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:47:47 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
It looks to me like somebody was asking an unnamed superhero for help because the city was in danger!
joeynana ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:25:36 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Even more coincidental, a similar spiral of light was seen over the skies of Queensland Australia about a week or so later... No one sees one for decades and then two in as many weeks. I'm more inclined to believe it too was a failed missile test, but it begs the question, why two in such a small window of time.
__1984__ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:34:08 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
These spirals were appearing all over the world, there are other videos. It is not a rogue missile.
ZestyFruitBat ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:28:10 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Reminds me of the manga Uzumaki.
M_F_Luder42 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:35:54 on December 16, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Serious: I have no idea what that was, but it was pretty cool
Not serious: I love how that video is a screen capture of another video
Eagl3ye91 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:20:11 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
That look's cool as hell, but have been explained several times here on Reddit!
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:51:00 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Don't missiles usually, y'know, have a trajectory rather than just hanging out in the sky?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:34:59 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Unless, y'know, one or more thrusters fail which makes it spiral out of control.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:39:15 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
That would still make it go somewhere, not just float in one point in the sky. Any rocket surgeons around?
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:16:50 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread539943/pg1
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:36:40 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Wow, that's one hell of an analysis!
HardlyIrrelevant ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:20:53 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Holy shit the comments on that YouTube video are like MEGA conspiritard...
skeeto111 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:36:42 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I highly doubt it was a missike. So youre telling me that a missile creates two trails, one which is straight and one which is an ABSOLUTELY PERFECT SPIRAL?
Its hard for me to believe. If it went rogue or malfunctiones wouldn't the smoke trails be highly erratic instead of highly organized. I mean even if the rocket spiraled the fact that it is so perfect is mind boggling. What fuel vapor GLOWS blue?
I wont believe its a rogue missile until I see a reenactment where a rogue/malfunctioning missile does the EXACT same thing. I dont know what it was but I just dont think it was a missile. Maybe its some kind of top secret defense system or something but a missile is such bullshit I cant believe people took it seriously.
TEXSLAYER ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 15:09:37 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Theres Norway that is real!
goforce5 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:49:38 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Holy shit! I was just talking to my friend who just got out of the navy about this! He saw it from the deck of the USS Cole. He said they actually sailed right underneath it and there was no way it was a missile. Also, from the water it was a ton brighter than in this video. Awesome post!
schm0 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:19:50 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
And
This is neither
[deleted] ยท 101 points ยท Posted at 22:18:48 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I always thought this video was fairly creepy, and the other videos the dude has posted that I personally can't explain.
[deleted] ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 06:36:05 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
How do you only have 18 upvotes? This is the scariest thing in third thread. Fuck this video.
ItsRickneyBitch ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 04:33:16 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I saw this one a while ago an agree this is the scariest one in this thread so far.
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 05:07:20 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
The one where the dog hid under the bed really scared me.
You ever see another guy's video where he was going into his attic and some object got thrown at him so he ran but left the camera? Nightmare fuel, that is.
crazeguy ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 05:50:06 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
links?!
DasBarenJager ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 07:21:08 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
You have a link?
g-dragon ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 08:46:15 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
can someone spoil this for me so I don't piss myself watching it?
Ms_moonlight ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 10:05:23 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
This guy has had some unexplained things happen in his home, so he set up a camera in March 2008 to film it. He has a radio playing during the videos. He has two dogs (look like labs or something to me) in what looks like a living room. There are two doors, one of which is a closet/wardrobe door beside a fireplace.
At about 1:30 things start to get interesting. The closet door beside the fire place closes itself and the door handle starts to rattle like someone's trying to open it. It then opens itself and you can very clearly see no one is inside (it's full of coats and stuff). Then it... opens itself some more -- no one is touching it. The radio gets interference and goes bzzzzzzzz. The door continues to open and close itself some how.
Then (and this scared the mess outta me) there's some paper towel on a roll (like Bounty or Plenty) on the sofa and it moves by itself. Then the dogs start barking. At this point to me on the left side of the video, it looks smokey or misty or something. Then it almost looks like a dark thing on the sofa where the paper towels are.
The dogs come back on camera and they're looking around for a while. Then one of the dogs starts backing up (like someone is about to pass by them almost) and they walk off camera.
The part with the paper towel is the worst, I almost peed on myself at that point.
Oznog99 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 09:26:25 on December 16, 2013 ยท (Permalink)*
The paper towel roll is overhanging the table. The far end hanging off was yanked downward VERY suddenly, flipping the roll off the table and onto the couch.
And I'll speculate how- that's a rat trap with a thread on the snapper. Trap's tied to the table leg in back, a little slack so it gets a good yank.
EDIT: awww, you can HEAR a mousetrap go "click"! They put a sock or something on the snapper so it doesn't bang at the end- but you can hear a little "chick" as the metal trigger thing is released.
Ms_moonlight ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 10:00:28 on December 16, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Very clever indeed! You're pretty good at debunking these things. The door part was really good, can you explain that one too?
Oznog99 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 10:29:07 on December 16, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
So simple no explanation is really necessary. Clear nylon thread is basically "invisible" and won't show up on camera. Opening and closing a door and jiggling with the handle from out-of-frame is really child's play.
It's easy enough to drag objects along or yank them off a shelf with thread. However, the ways of making them move that way- easily- IS limited. It's probably no coincidence that 90% of these "ghost videos" are easily done with the simplest thread techniques.
If you wanted to stage a video and lift something off the table as if being examined, turned, and set back down, for example, that's hard to do, once lifted it will hang from where it's attached and swing around making it obvious it's on a thread. A smart person could still do this with thread- but almost no video goes that way. No, we usually see stuff get pulled off a shelf or dragged around.
You also have trouble pulling off this technique with soft objects like clothing, as the attachment point readily becomes clear where it's being dragged from. You could place a wire inside and tie the thread through the cloth, but then the wire would show.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:35:06 on December 17, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
this is why the paranormal activity series continues to mildly impress me. the third one especially has a few shots i can't figure out how they pulled off
butterfly_beatrice ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:11:22 on December 18, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
One thing still bugs me about the video... Why are the dogs acting so weird? :/
iamtheprodigy ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:25:14 on December 22, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Probably because their owner has tied thread to a bunch of things around the house and is messing with the radio and they're wondering wtf he's doing.
g-dragon ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 10:14:42 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
thank you. I'm about to sleep and I'm curious about the video but also would like some sleep
Ms_moonlight ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:13:03 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
That's fine, it was in the morning for me!
Wrath_Of_Aguirre ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 04:24:13 on December 16, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Disabled comments is a sure sign of a fake.
ishmael84 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 05:53:27 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Wtf.
ArthurPint ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 10:49:27 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Around 03:40 - a whispered "I will get you"?
binksays ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 10:51:57 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
i'm throwing in the towel as an atheist...ghosts are real....
pastenseofdraw ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:58:43 on December 18, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Fear not, come back. Look up and read the comments debunking it!
shatskyboy0108 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:38:14 on December 17, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
What the flippen fuck
jdhillmer ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 09:06:41 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
The way the paper towel flies is a bit weird, so that's the only place I see a possible edit. Also was thinking, why in the hell would a "ghost" open the closet door so stutter-stepped like that? So that may be another point of editing.
conflagrate ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 12:33:18 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
That "blur" starting at 2:54 is clearly a cut (transition). Seems pretty fake to me.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:10:55 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Because no one is allowed to shorten videos, right? For all we know it could be hours of footage that's been condensed, and that transition at 2:54 is just where he cut out a whole lot of nothing.
But no, you're right. Any sort of edit whatsoever means it's totally fake. /s
conflagrate ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 20:07:11 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not saying it's fake because it's edited, but it seems the person was trying to mask that fact. But more importantly everything "paranormal" in the video is so easy to fake, but yeah, ghosts are a much better explanation.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:52:23 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Time passed. Did you want him to put up a transition like they do in Spongebob?
MasterPozer ยท 932 points ยท Posted at 15:58:26 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Hampton Court Palace Ghost http://i.imgur.com/9hc5WFP.jpg
In late December 2003, security cameras at Hampton Court Palace captured a startling image. Security guards were unsettled to repeatedly find a fire door open when no one was apparently around. Upon checking the security tape, they were shocked by a ghostly figure, closely resembling King Henry VIII (who died in the 1500s). Vikki Wood, a spokesperson for the Palace, said โWeโre baffled too โ itโs not a joke, we havenโt manufactured it. We genuinely do not know who it is or what it is.โ They arenโt a ppc company, or even a company looking to gain from this oddity; they are just as baffled like most people who look at this footage. A security officer, James Faukes, called the incident โunnerving,โ and said theyโd ruled out their costumed guides. โIn fact, they donโt even own a costume like the one worn by the figure on the video. It was incredibly spooky because the face just didn't look human,โ Faukes said
turnerjer ยท 632 points ยท Posted at 17:59:23 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)*
"closely resembling King Henry VIII"
Oh, yeah, the spit and image. Especially around the... uh...
:/
[deleted] ยท 183 points ยท Posted at 19:38:46 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
i don't get it either.
in one paragraph:
"a ghostly figure, closely resembling King Henry VIII"
and
" It was incredibly spooky because the face just didn't look human,โ
cool footage even if it probably wasn't the ghost of a very famous dead guy.
dakdestructo ยท 94 points ยท Posted at 21:08:38 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Therefore, King Henry wasn't human.
Checkmate alien deniers.
Or someone. Checkmate someone!
[deleted] ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 21:27:10 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)*
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tendtodisagree ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 21:50:05 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Wrong Henry.
FodyKilledMyParents ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:53:08 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah that made no sense. Looks like Gary Oldman to me btw
[deleted] ยท 193 points ยท Posted at 20:39:13 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
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Banksy_Edwards ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 01:11:43 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
For my money, this is the best comment I've read today.
creeksoause ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 20:25:14 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
King Henry VIII be like "yo keep these doors closed"
TheMusicArchivist ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 19:16:08 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
He wasn't fat for the entirety of his life if that's what you mean. He was actually very sporting and active during his 20s. But you know, nice food and stuff.
cdskip ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 19:26:33 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
And the jousting wound that led to chronic leg ulcers that turned him from active to sedentary.
Fealiks ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 19:55:22 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Ah right, probs him then lol
Le_Deek ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:24:22 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
King Henry VIII was never decapitated...
[deleted] ยท 594 points ยท Posted at 17:24:14 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
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TheMrFaile ยท 887 points ยท Posted at 20:28:43 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)*
-Aziz Ansari, Buried Alive
[deleted] ยท 132 points ยท Posted at 20:59:42 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
"What's your wifi password?"
Slushsoup ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 00:23:32 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
"gasps! Netflix said would like to continue watching Mad Men... But I haven't watched Mad Men..."
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 04:54:28 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Nice try, Faceless Old Woman Who Lives In My Home.
impingainteasy ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:05:36 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
What's this "porn" I keep hearing about?
Sportan ยท 41 points ยท Posted at 22:59:51 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Nosferatu!
CockGobblin ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 00:08:50 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Floating axe or knife: "Wow so light, I love how the blade goes all the way through the handle!"
Looking out the window at you, "That is some amazing clothing you got on, too bad I'm stuck in this house."
Abducting your children and bringing them to the attic, "I just love your kids. I wish my kids were this cute when they were young. Can I have them?"
Dark swirling matter in the ceiling corner of your room, "Man, this corner is so comfortable. You wanna come here and try it?"
Hand appears in bathtub water, "Hey, this is really deep - we didn't have tubs this deep when I was alive. Can you help me out, I think I am drowning!"
Something is moving under your bed sheets, "I had a nightmare, can I sleep with you tonight?"
Strange lights in the sky, "He Earthlings, I heard you get HBO here? Can we come and watch?"
theguynamedtim ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 22:43:43 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Despite that being a joke, it's a really believable thing. If you died in a time before electricity, wouldn't you be fascinated by magic lamps in people's ceilings or their horseless carriages?
[deleted] ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 00:53:53 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Wouldn't you've been around to see all these changes happen if you were a ghost?
TheMrFaile ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:25:38 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I think that's what's so funny about it, is because it's entirely plausible.
DABenStone ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 23:00:24 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I love his take on modern ghosts. "Ooooh, what's your wifi password."
emperorxyn ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 21:00:39 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Holy shit that's funny. 10/10. Now I understand why my ghost keeps turning my sink on.
Kuubaaa ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:14:04 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
is there a video of that segment?
TheMrFaile ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:15:54 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
It's his new Netflix exclusive special, so I can't find it on YouTube.
djcookie187187187187 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 00:18:29 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I love aziz, and all his specials are on Netflix. Totally worth 8 bucks.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:46:35 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I just searched for it a few minutes ago. Here you go.
its_erin_j ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:56:02 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I just watched this last night! Great!
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:15:30 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Funny ass show.
throatyoghurt17 ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 21:20:10 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Aziz Ansari making me laugh would be more suprising than seeing a ghost imo.
TheMrFaile ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 01:26:30 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
/r/ihateazizansaricirclejerk
WarPhalange ยท -16 points ยท Posted at 21:13:00 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I hate that guy's face but he sounds funny.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 22:30:55 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
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Zythrone ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:13:49 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
You would hate this guy then.
-SPADED- ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:14:23 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
inside joke i dont get?
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 03:26:39 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
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-SPADED- ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 05:53:35 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
wow... thats what i figured, but then.. i thought "who fucking lies about having cancer?'
djcookie187187187187 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:19:47 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
OH shit, it's him!
whatsinthesocks ยท 39 points ยท Posted at 20:10:14 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Really says something about the human race when raptors can figure out doors in like five minutes and who knows how long that ghost had. Dumb ass
GoldandBlue ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 20:30:15 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
He just gave up after the second door shut. That King is a quitter.
adrian5b ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:21:42 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
"Fuck you, doors!"
Sir_Cats ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:48:00 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I think it was an employee, but the door was made of ghost.
Ilykk14 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:51:11 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
You made that gif infinitely more hilarious
ItsJustAGrill ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:51:21 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
sigh
cookiebaer ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 23:41:02 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
This comment confuses me. They had doors in the 1500's
[deleted] ยท 134 points ยท Posted at 17:30:17 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
No costume, huh?
Well gang, Looks like we've got another mystery on our hands!
HooliganBeav ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 18:09:12 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
And he would've gotten away with it if it weren't for us meddling redditors.
peteroh9 ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 20:12:56 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
We got the wrong guy again... :/
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 20:51:03 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
"The ghost of Sunil Tripathi has apparently committed ghost-suicide after a crowd-sourced witch hunt of Reddit Ghostbusters alleged him as the Hampton Court Palace ghost. His ghost-body was discovered in the Providence River by Wyndham Garden security. Foul play was not suspected."
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:46:20 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Too soon...
MLaw2008 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:54:31 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Jinkies!
Karma-Houdini ยท 33 points ยท Posted at 17:41:58 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I remember this from a news report at the time. As far as I know it was said to be just an employee in a costume a week or so after the footage was released
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:31:21 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
And I would've got away with it if it wasn't for you meddling kids!
Sorry_butt ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 17:52:54 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Two employees faked this, one is in a costume, the other is on a step ladder to kick the door open and hide quickly so it looks like the door just swings open itself.
TinHao ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 19:10:25 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
How can they tell that that figure 'closely resembled' anyone, particularly someone the guards had never met in person or even seen a photo of?
IAmABeatle ยท 80 points ยท Posted at 16:47:28 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Notice how at first both doors open and he doesn't seem to have pushed them.
Animastryfe ยท 124 points ยท Posted at 17:37:48 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)*
I disagree. The FPS of that camera is so low that the person in that costume could have easily pushed the doors open, then retracted his/her arms before the camera took the photo. Note that the doors were halfway open before the camera took the picture.
opensandshuts ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 19:04:34 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
They also could have kicked the doors open with their right leg.
IAmABeatle ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 17:41:24 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
You have a point there.
ViciousMihael ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:25:05 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Both options are perfectly possible, though when I look at the gif, it seems like the doors open, and then the figure appears to be walking up to/approaching the doors after they've opened. Of course, that's only how I'm perceiving it. It could be anything.
flowerpower111 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:48:50 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Why would anyone go through that kind of trouble though
Animastryfe ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 19:03:53 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I do not think it was that much trouble. The palace is a tourist attraction, so someone not working there can likely easily access the location. All that person had to do was open and close a door while wearing a costume. It is possible that the person was a re-enactor, or that the palace had an event going on that the security officers did not know about. Most importantly, the information concerning the event that the OP posted was taken straight from Wikipedia, which had no sources concerning that section of the quoted section of the article. There were several news sites that covered it, but they contained no more information than OP's post, and there have been no followups that I can find. There are several sites that analyzed the footage, such as this one.
ThrowAwaysForAll1 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 17:25:14 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
And now I'm even more creeped out.
killhimalready ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 17:31:47 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
You just made it ten times creepier. Thanks.
[deleted] ยท 35 points ยท Posted at 17:27:54 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
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calnamu ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:42:39 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
That's just imgur.
MadAtHubby ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 19:25:41 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Haha! I noticed the same thing, then wondered which was more supernatural: the figure, or the .jpg turning into a .gif. (Just a joke, folks. Please don't give me a two paragraph ELI5. ;o) )
CodenameRedeemer ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 16:57:36 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Face is likely a mask, something you'd want to wear if you were trying to terrorize a local court palace.
aeona ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:59:18 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
"and I would have gotten away with it if it weren't for you meddling kids" could be heard in the background.
thereischris ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 16:41:10 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I don't see anything in the picture
Z-Ninja ยท 54 points ยท Posted at 16:46:16 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
It's a gif. You gotta wait for it to load.
chalupacabrariley ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 17:02:56 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Lollll
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:12:07 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
One of my favorites.
mba273 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:45:27 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
This is total bullshit, everybody knows ghosts just walk through doors.
MisterDonkey ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:47:48 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
iAmericA45 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:56:33 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
okay fuck this.
Y___ ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:10:58 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
What are we supposed to e looking at here? I don't see anything.
space-ham ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:25:06 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
How can anyone honestly say this "closely resembles King Henry VIII"?
schm0 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:28:09 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
It is the suggestion that this person is a ghost and Henry the VIII that makes this picture seem remotely supernatural. Otherwise it's just a guy opening a door.
The text you cite is from Wikipedia, which states "This sectionย does notย citeย anyย references or sources.ย Please help improve this section byย adding citations to reliable sources. Unsourced material may be challenged and removed."
sysop073 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:27:04 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
The main thing I learned from this one is that people in this thread will comment about how terrifying it is no matter what you link to
Montezum ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:21:20 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
how is it a jpg that moves???
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:56:13 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Ghost jpg
Oznog99 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 08:54:49 on December 16, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
"itโs not a joke, we havenโt manufactured it."
Logic hole there. Just because YOU know it's not YOUR joke doesn't mean it's not someone ELSE'S joke!
All you gotta do is know where the camera is, throw on a costume, do something too brief to be made out, and stay quiet afterwards. Done!
scottishsteveo ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 17:00:08 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
That looks like a homeless person who's sneaked into the building and just making sure the door is closed properly.
arcile ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:13:17 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Look back at how the doors seems to have opened before he touched them, as if he used the force to push them open.
45flight ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:20:40 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
That homeless guy has a really nice flowery robe.
LordOfTurtles ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:19:07 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah because you can totally make out a face in those 3 images
foxinthebushes ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:33:34 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Looks like Skeletor to me.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:09:05 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
"Man, the pits of Hell are really stuffy today. Let's get some air in here! Oh fuck, my hands are all sweaty, I'm slipping, I'M SLIPPING, okay I'm good, there we go."
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:20:46 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I used to work there. In the late winter afternoons, walking around there with most of the lights off (place closes to visitors at sunset) just doing my job, there is nowhere spookier to work. I don't believe in ghosts, but it takes a brave person to not even consider it during those times.
RegularWhiteShark ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:26:50 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
There was a program on recently about supernatural mysteries in the UK. They debunked this. Could have easily been done (opening the door without being seen) and the outfit is historically wrong - a mix of items worn from different centuries.
Saintzillla ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:41:42 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Jedi.
sugarhoneybadger ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:57:11 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Oh in the Tower of London large as life
The Ghost of Anne Boleyn walks they declare
For Anne Boleyn was once King Henry's wife
Until he had the axeman bob her hair
Oh Yes! He done her wrong long years ago
And she comes back each night to tell him so
With her head
Tucked
Underneath her arm
She walks the bloody tower
With her head
Tucked
Underneath her arm
At the midnight hour
Along the drafty corridors
For miles and miles she goes
She sometimes catches cold, poor thing
It's cold out when it blows
And it's awfully awkward for the Queen to have to blow her nose
With her head tucked underneath her arm
Now sometimes old King Henry throws a spread
For all his pals and gals the ghostly crew
The axeman carves the joints and cuts the bread
When in walks Anne Boleyn to spoil the 'do
She holds her head up with a wild war whoop
And Henry cries "Don't drop it in the soup!"
With her head
Tucked
Underneath her arm
She walks the bloody tower
With her head
Tucked
Underneath her arm
At the midnight hour
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:58:40 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
IT'S NOT A JPEG
IT'S NOT A JPEG ;_;
BigG123 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:02:02 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Why are ghosts never naked?
Ethanc1J ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:02:50 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Where should I be looking?
electricalgypsy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:05:53 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Literally looks like something taken off the show Supernatural...
El_triple_cruz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:10:22 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Looks like the ghost was napping and wanted to see what was causing a ruckus outside.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:18:57 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I laughed at this for some reason. It's just like "just gonna walk outside, nope nevermind."
besvr ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:30:50 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
"said they'd ruled out their costumed guides."
They have costumed guides? I believe the mystery is solved.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:31:16 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
looks like the ghost of Christmas present to me. he's saying, "come in, and know me better man!"
darkplumb90 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:41:49 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Was looking for this one. This one is the weirdest.
__1984__ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:00:04 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Face looks human to me.
davidecibel ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:41:47 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Not fat enough to look like King Henry "whatevah, I'll do what I want" VII.
Probably just a hobo. Creepy though.
F4rsight ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:06:22 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Is there a full video of this?
F4rsight ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:09:49 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
It almost looks like a gust of wing blows them open -ALARM SOUNDS- and King Henry frantically tried to shut them the right way (remember some double doors only close a certain way) and fumbling with them, until he closes one, then the other. "Dammit... How do these work..."
esoxlucius ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:12:45 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I'm fairly sure this came out as fake a while after it received national press attentionโฆ but my google-fu is awful so I can't bring up some credible sources to prove it.
Kayin_Angel ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:13:25 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
why do people put security cameras in completely pointless places? places that if they ever needed to use the camera to identify someone commuting a crime, it would be completely useless. all they usually seem to have is recorded blurry or distant footage of 'yes, someone in fact robbed us'.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:33:45 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
What am I meant to be seeing here? Edit: Slow loading gif.
cailihphiliac ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:35:52 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I've said it before, and I'll say it again. That's not Henry VIII, that's a dishevelled woman in a bathrobe
Butt_plug_728 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:57:20 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I can't find it :(
jb2386 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:35:48 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I honestly don't see anyone in that picture??
MyNameIsZaxer2 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:47:21 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
HOLY CRAP THAT FREAKED ME OUT
Oh my god, I did not expect that. I expected jumpers in this thread, and i thought after the first loop it was safe to keep watching, You tricky bastard you.
StupidFlanders11 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:59:15 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I don't understand how ghosts have clothes. It's not like the fabric dies with you. If you're wearing leather when you die, shouldn't the cow's ghost get his skin back? It only makes sense that all ghosts would be naked.
Someone from /r/gonewild needs to agree to haunt reddit for a week to confirm. Or maybe we need a new subreddit that you can post to. /r/ghostsgonewild
a_guy_in_shades ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:54:23 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
What I'm more amazed about is the fact that you got a moving jpeg
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:04:26 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Didn't they determine it was a prank and the security guard were responsible? It doesn't look terribly impressive. It looks like a guy in a mask opened a door and then somewhat clumsily shut it again.
Lily-Gordon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:07:23 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
It looks like one of those clockwork clown thingys from Doctor Who.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:17:35 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I remember when this happened. Despite their claims they didn't seek to profit, the announcement and video footage appeared right at the start of the school break (tourist season). I dismissed it outright based on that alone.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:12:52 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
That doesn't look a damn thing like Henry VIII
AH_Foley ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:27:16 on December 16, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Ghost pictures at night are fine, but god be damned if I watch a ghost GIF
kparker13 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:19:56 on December 16, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Its a worker dressed up, it has already been defunct in the news. creppy video however
Mucking_Fachine ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:39:33 on January 8, 2014 ยท (Permalink)
'BOOOOO I AM HENRY THE VIII! FEAR ME ... oh shitit's raining ... well fuck this I'm going back inside. BOOOOOOO ALL SHALL DESPAIR!'
spoonfedsam ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:10:59 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
holy fuck that is creepy
TheDutchin ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 17:31:01 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Occams razor.
What's more likely: The ghost of King Henry VIII came back to haunt this building by opening and closing those doors or a guy in a medieval outfit opened and closed some doors to fuck with people.
speech-geek ยท 1921 points ยท Posted at 14:46:31 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)*
This photo from Amityville (yes, I know about the possible fabrication by the Lutz family) has always creeped me out.
It was taken during the investigation of the house by paranormal investigators Ed and Lorraine Warren. I believe that this is one of the few pieces of evidence that the house was not normal.
Edit: During the investigation, there was allegedly no children in the house and the only people were the Warrens and a reporter. The little boy is not suppose to be there. http://i.imgur.com/A7ykahw.jpg
politecreeper ยท 1717 points ยท Posted at 14:56:56 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I remember reading about how that was some kid that was in the house because they didn't search it properly before investigating. Creepy as fuck though.
diewhitegirls ยท 1911 points ยท Posted at 15:06:25 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I can totally appreciate that, but why the FUCK was some kid running around in the goddamn Amityville House by his/herself? Someone get that kid some parents. Retroactively.
Eagles_63 ยท 341 points ยท Posted at 15:18:10 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Id shit myself as a child... paranormal or not that house gives me a bad feeling man. I live on Long Island and when I went to see it I just had this unbearable urge to get the hell away as fast as possible.
acog ยท 84 points ยท Posted at 15:46:30 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Eh, it's because you already know the story. I saw a house in San Jose that was a dead ringer for the house on the cover of the Amityville book and the first time I saw it I had the same urge -- but it was just a sheer coincidence of architecture.
elwray1989 ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 17:46:42 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
...or was it?
Shadow_Death ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 01:15:43 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
You walk in the front door of one and out the back door of the other.
skilledwarman ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 17:29:04 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
im also on Long Island, fucking north port to be exact, and i hadn't know the story when i was little and saw the house. even going near it without any context, you just get a feeling of... dread.
digitalmofo ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 22:40:08 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Haunted or not, a bunch of people really were murdered in there, so it could have some bad energy. Also, a bad ass 5 Guys is right up the street from the house.
skilledwarman ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 22:44:03 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
man, a 5 guys just opened up in commack and i can drive there and back on my lunch period without being late xD
DividedBy_Zero ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:24:56 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
If you think that's bad, check out the abandoned insane asylum in King's Park. I swear, I have never felt such dread come over me when I saw that towering building with my own eyes.
skilledwarman ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 01:26:31 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
jesus christ man! i had driver's ed last year and we would drive through that area since there were no other drivers. theres burnt out cars all over the place and homeless people meandering across the street. also groups of golfers for some reason...
Eagles_63 ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 16:00:34 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I felt anxious before we even stopped at the house right as we approached it. There was no saying of us visiting the house we were just driving around. My parents did not tell me what house it was until after we stopped. By that time I was already having a bad anxiety attack. It gave me a really, really bad feeling.
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 19:56:41 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)*
I got taken to a state park once in Pennsylvania that had a mill and a plantation and a place where lumber was cut. It was very wonderful and beautiful and folksy and chickens ran around you everywhere you went.
At one point there was a big white house and a pole barn, and they said you could tour the big white house for a sample of what life was like back then, because this was the house of the guy that owned the land.
When we opened the door, my sister ran in, and my mom and step-dad just walked in and started to look around, and I saw these really fancy-looking stairs.
I went to go step in myself and I just got this huge adrenaline rush, except it wasn't exciting. The best way I can describe it is that it felt like I was hit by a rush of wind, except all the air was perfectly calm that day, and nothing windy happened to me, like my clothes or hair blowing. I freaked the fuck out and ran around the property and hid behind the pole barn.
My family didn't even come out to check on me, and when they found me after finishing the tour, they basically made fun of me because my little scene had disturbed the nearby chickens.
My sister was into spooky things, though, so after we got home at the end of the weekend we looked the place up at the county library, and found out that it was a plantation and the "guy that owned the farm" was actually a slave master and this was his plantation, with a sister property nearby (also part of the park today) where they did preparatory work for making iron.
Well, that made zero sense for it to be a plantation to me because Pennsylvania was in the Union in the civil war, so I assumed that meant they were and had always been a free state. What we learned though, was that we lived in southeast PA, and this place was at the bottom of the state, bordering Maryland, and that was part of the dude's problem. He tried to run his place with slaves but was constantly being fought (
legallyfor legal reasons, not physical altercations) over it, with disputes about his property's location. Eventually he had to deal with uprisings from people trying to free his "workers," and at one point got assaulted in that house where he straight up shot and killed three separate people.But yeah, it was all in my head. You have a good time, see a big white house, try to go inside and just pretend to be scared on the off chance you can do research later and find out the place has a history of violence. That is the most plausible explanation and to suggest otherwise is too threatening to bear.
It was very effective of me to spook myself out that way, though, because I still won't go in that place to this day and I'm all the way in Florida.
borg_nihilist ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 20:14:40 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
being in the union during the civil war doesn't mean that they were always a free state, philidelphia was one of the main ports for slave shipments. they did pass the first anti-slavery law in the usa iirc.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:19:46 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
That does sound familiar, and makes sense being a former capital. At the time, though, I thought in broader terms because I didn't know as much. The only reason I remember the rest in the detail that I do is because it was so unique and such a negative experience. Thanks for clearing that up!
acog ยท 26 points ยท Posted at 16:06:34 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Sorry, it's just confirmation bias. You were feeling anxious, parents tell you what house it is, your mind creates cause and effect where there is none. The Amityville Horror story was entirely made up. Since it's just a huge lie that people were cashing in on, there's no spooky stuff that could have caused a real reaction in you.
Eagles_63 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:25:50 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Okay well despite the fact the story might be fake. I simply could not be near a house where an entire family was murdered. That alone with give me an anxiety attack. Which it did. I do believe in pure evil and there was evil on that house.
BouquetofDicks ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 16:40:05 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Does anyone live in the house now? I would imagine it to be a bit of a tourist attraction now.
What else can you tell us about the house? Sounds interesting.
Great_White_Slug ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 17:58:14 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Looks like someone may live in it: http://www.newsday.com/classifieds/real-estate/real-li-1.812034/amityville-horror-home-becomes-a-dream-house-1.2318995
Eagles_63 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 17:20:58 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Not sure I live on the Eastside of Long Island but last I checked people are living in it I think. It goes for a lot from what I remember because of yeah, tourist attractions and whatnot.
I dont really know much of the house or its history to be honest. It just gave me bad vibes. Theres a lot about it online Im sure!
BouquetofDicks ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 17:52:14 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
When you visited, were there people taking photos of the house, etc?
cantcomeupwithaname1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:31:45 on December 16, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I remember reading that they redid the outside so that it didn't look so distinct and didn't attract so much attention.
LimboLimboLimbo ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 17:58:20 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Evil attaches itself to inanimate objects now? Evil is stupid if it is trying to accomplish something.
amabikaeypabaf ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 20:17:13 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I believe what people perceive as evil is a trigger in our instinctual psyche when something feels off or wrong in a way that we are unable to explain. The reason it gives us a creepy feeling is because our ancestors most likely used fear as a way of avoiding danger. However, we are very possibly losing our sense of what is dangerous from having so much protection in this era and if our offspring ever have to face being in the wild, for whatever reason, are going to have to relearn all of those protective instincts.
ReginaldDwight ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:08:38 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Growing up, we had a detached garage with a room over it with windows like the Amityville house. After my sister saw the movie, she wouldn't go up to that room for about a month.
SevenMinuteAbs ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 18:41:38 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Dude I just turned 21, I'm not alone in my house and I flinched when my phone vibrated while reading this thread.
moew123 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 20:03:09 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I made my dad take me there when I was around 12 years old and I tried to take a picture and my camera wouldn't let me no matter how many times I tried. As soon as we drove past the house my camera was working again. Coincidence or not, it freaked me out.
iSmite ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 21:51:36 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
you were just twelve kiddo.
croc_lobster ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 20:04:44 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
If it's like the house in the movie, it gives you a bad feeling because it's shaped like a damned skull. The architect or builder or whatever should have had his license pulled.
http://www.spiritsociety.org/haunted/amityville.jpg
Then again, it might also have been in a location that naturally channeled infrasound, which gives humans the heebie jeebies. I had an old apartment next to a road that was full of the stuff. Sometimes at night you couldn't stand to be upstairs because it was so oppressive.
rossisdead ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 22:33:32 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I don't see it. What part of the house in that picture looks like a skull?
FpsHawk00 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:51:49 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Reminds me of that scene in "The women in black" where he is trying to get away from the house.
Aaron565 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:40:37 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
God what the fuck is wrong with Long Island? It seems that every other haunted house story I read is located half an hour from my town.
peepjynx ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:09:56 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I have family who live in the neighborhood - they told me the address had to be changed because of all of the publicity, but that still doesn't deter looky-loos.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:24:33 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
How do you go about changing the address of a home like that? Do they just change the number? Do they have to change the whole street name?
sluttyhipster ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:58:37 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
You can petition the city to change the number for fairly superfluous reasons. We were able to change ours just so it would end in 0s.
digitalmofo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:41:16 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
No, and it shouldn't.
amabikaeypabaf ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:09:50 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I guess he was just more of a man than you as a kid.
Nalcoholic ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:10:52 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Like when you run up the stairs when you turned the lights off.
psinguine ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:14:58 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I'd shit myself hardcore if I stuck my head around the corner and the flash of a camera went off.
IBelongInAKitchen ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:23:39 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
When I lived on Long Island, some friends and I were driving around one night, and I had no idea where we were going, but the closer we got to that fucking house, I had this feeling of dread and despair just drown me. We didn't go TO The house, but a few blocks over, if I recall correctly. My feelings made sense when my friend was like "Hey you know that horror movie house is around here?"
mouthdrummer ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:25:39 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Been in that house. It's just a house.
LittleLarry ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:05:15 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, except for the red room.
mouthdrummer ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:46:55 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Just a room. There's nothing paranormal about it. People who go in there and "feel something" are either making it up, or psyching themselves out. Nothing supernatural has ever been proven. Anywhere.
TheKolbrin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:37:53 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Been by there a few times- it does have a really tight, heavy, oppressive feeling about it. I wouldn't even want to live next door. Regardless of how 'fake' or 'real' the whole haunting episode was, someone did kill their entire family there.
portrigged ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:33:04 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
See I live right near amityville and had to have the house pointed out to me. It just looks normal but I guess thats bevause they took out the "eye" windows. The big house down the street is way creepier haha
Tridian ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:05:25 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Probably because you know the house is supposed to scare you.
ukrainnigga ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 15:48:43 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
wooowww plz elaborate. this sounds amazing. an unbearable urge? do all people feels this? did you go with anyone?
Eagles_63 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 15:57:33 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Went with family I didnt go inside the house. Just looking at it I was froze with fear. It was around Christmas a few years back on my way back from my aunts. It looked like a normal house. I mean a house is a house, but it just felt wrong. I got really, really bad anxiety. I knew it was the house before we even stopped. I believe people actually live there now, or did. Its a very popular house. I have NO idea why someone would want to live there though.
I honestly believe in that house being haunted or whatever you want to call it. If I was to live on that house with just the feeling I got near it, not even inside Id legitimately commit suicide. I have anxiety and depression as it is but that house brought it out the worst.
LimboLimboLimbo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:00:28 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
So people live in the house now, no problems.
But because someone with admitted anxiety and depression issues feels anxious and depressed near the house it must be evil?
ukrainnigga ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 16:58:43 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
WOW that is amazing! where is this house again?
Eagles_63 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:19:47 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Amityville Long Island
hoopstick ยท 429 points ยท Posted at 15:17:46 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I would've been all over that place when I was a kid. Haunted houses are awesome.
[deleted] ยท 389 points ยท Posted at 15:24:53 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)*
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Zomsuniux ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 16:23:20 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I dare you to spend the entire night!
craze177 ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 17:30:29 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I double dog dare you! "Oh no, the mother of all dares".
kylepierce11 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 19:35:25 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
You secure the movie rights, I'll get started on the screenplay.
The_Sasquatch_Man ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:38:01 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I got dared to go into a "haunted house" before. Easiest $20 dollars I ever made.
Commisioner_Gordon ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:01:03 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
And then being scared out of his mind as he tries to avoid the creepy man and women searching the house with weird tools.
RIPEOTCDXVI ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:04:31 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Jesus, you can just imagine you get dared to go in there. You sneak in, poke your head around a corner, and see a shadowy figure (the camera and tripod). While you're trying to figure it out you get a flash.
Shit pants, run screaming.
AyyeChato ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:01:07 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
No you go first
C_M_Burns ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:27:32 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Dammit, Sallah!
chickenwithcheez ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:16:18 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
There's the plot of a horror movie in here somewhere.
fuzzyfriday ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:26:49 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Famous last words?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:26:39 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I would shit my pants.
archaictext ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:30:24 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Totally. Kids love to dare each other to go into the community haunted house that everyone tells stories about.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:49:50 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
You are a psycho.
pantsfactory ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:55:40 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Dude, he looks 5.
crucifixionexpert ยท 1497 points ยท Posted at 15:14:46 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
The kid had enough sense to know shit wasn't haunted.
AngrySandyVag ยท 1057 points ยท Posted at 16:02:09 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Haha, I can just picture some little kid playing around happily with his imagination in this old house. Then some grown men sneak in and creep around scared shitless about ghosts. The kid hears them panicking and pokes his head around the corner to see what's up and the grown men quickly snap a picture and run away screaming. Then the kid just stands there like, "WTF?"
[deleted] ยท 72 points ยท Posted at 16:47:32 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
That makes it significantly less creepy, thanks
use_more_lube ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 17:09:04 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, but unless his eyes were ALL pupil, they shouldn't glow like that
Glowing eyes (as a photography artifact) are from light reflected in the eyeball, shining back through the pupil
that kid's eyes shouldn't glow like that - unless the iris and the whites of his eyes are transparent too
that ain't normal, at all
jazxfire ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 17:12:08 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
This wouldn't explain the pupils being that dilated, but i'm guessing it was pretty dark in there, so his pupils would be kind of big
use_more_lube ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:30:07 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
His pupils might be rock-star-tripping-balls blown out, but that doesn't explain why the inner and outer corners of his eyes are glowing too
the white part of your eye is a leathery sack, and it doesn't let light through There should only be a circle of glowing, through the pupil.
That kids entire eye socket is glowing.
Vinator ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 19:16:54 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
The reflection could easily be that bright that it would flare out and look bigger than it is.
use_more_lube ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 23:24:50 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I hope you're happy; this shit is gonna haunt me
If there was a flash, and it could be a flash off of a flat lens, why does the bannister have a shadow but the kid doesn't?
In fact, why doesn't the kid have a shadow at all?
Also, zooming in made it creepier because it looks like faint tentacles (two, specifically) are caressing the side of the kid's head. (Our right, his left)
The other thing; it looks like there are dark streaks or cracks from the corners of his lips toward his chin. Like drooling blood.
Having said that, it looks like his hair was overcolored with a marker because it's blobby and uneven. The whole image is not of good quality.
I'm sure photoshop wizards could find the pixels, or someone with actual knowledge of photography and developing film might have good points.
TL;DR - the absence of evidence doesn't mean it's paranormal, but those eyes really bug me
red-ditor ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:55:08 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Is it normal that as I was checking the picture eyes, suddenly I hear a beaming noise like when there is a change of pressure in the air? creep me out.
use_more_lube ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:05:06 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Do you smell burning feathers? I hear that's bad.
Vinator ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 00:44:43 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I heard in this case you're supposed to use more lube?
red-ditor ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:46:52 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
No burning feathers but my chicken soup went sour. I forgot to put it in the refrigerators last night. :(
Vinator ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:45:12 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I have the sudden urge to make some kind of animation of this zoomed in picture.
rossisdead ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:36:35 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Or its a kid wearing glasses with the flash reflecting off of it. Cause that's what it looks like.
[deleted] ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 17:21:49 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Why are you doing this to me
use_more_lube ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 17:30:45 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I didn't want you taking false comfort, because physiology doesn't support a whole-eye glow
BUT - bear in mind, the family seems to have made up a bunch of bullshit about that house.
Dunno if they could have scraped the film clear during processing (so the eyes looked like they were glowing) or if there's some other bullshittery out there...
Just saying that, physiologically, that's impossible for eyes to glow like that.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 20:34:59 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Well, in that case, why are you doing this to me. But seriously though that is pretty interesting, if only I wasn't so terrified lol
Sonicdahedgie ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 00:53:53 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Now I want to make a horror parody. Ghost Hunters are investigating a "haunted house" and atthe same time a group of young kids are all in there playing. The kids keep running around, giggling, and hiding from the Ghost Hunters, thinking it's a game while the Ghost hunters are freaking out and crying.
Balony1 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:50:05 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
And he posts the story on Reddit.
TheMadmanAndre ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:36:03 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
The camera in question that took the Amityville photo was on a timer, taking a photograph every few minutes or so. The famed photograph is the only anomalous photo out of a set of several hundred sequential pictures.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:49:25 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Everyone that read this pictured Stan marsh
gullale ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:43:40 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
If I were a kid and I thought it wasn't haunted I wouldn't waste my time there. I'm sure he went there because he thought it was haunted.
finite_turtles ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:58:23 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
And enough of a sense of mischief to run around banging on walls and moving furniture around.
Addicted2Weasels ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:16:16 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Perhaps a.... sixth sense?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:41:32 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I haven't looked into the story at all, but was it all just a scam?
durtysox ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:12:01 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)*
Do you seriously all not notice the giant fucking rabbit standing behind that kid? Huge rabbit with its head tilted. Like a guy in one of those cartoon rabbit Easter bunny suits. Nobody?
ThaCarter ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 15:18:05 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe he was homeless, cold, and hungry with a desperate need of shelter.
BrettGilpin ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 15:53:38 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
That's how it lures you in for the kill.
Deus_Ex_Mac ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:19:30 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Probably fucking Carl again
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:10:55 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
This would be the first time he STAYED IN THE FUCKING HOUSE!!!
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:33:47 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Kid's got balls.
acog ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:45:10 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Probably because it's a big abandoned house, and kids are curious.
taoistextremist ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:50:06 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Probably an orphan, maybe he figured nobody would annoy him in a haunted house.
zmj82 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:55:26 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Where's Carl?!
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:26:34 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Haven't kids snuck into vacant houses that were reputed to be haunted pretty much forever?
elwray1989 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:45:05 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I mean, my Dad did it for fun because he lived a street away until he was 10.
Granted, he was born in 1952...so there's a good chance that he was just breaking into people's houses.
Wait...I need to go reevaluate my opinion of him.
depricatedzero ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:58:59 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
When I was a kid there was an abandoned house on my street. I used to go in it all the time and play. I've actually considered buying the house. There's nothing wrong with it, it was only empty for maybe a year - it sold eventually and a family moved in, lived there for a good 15 years, and with the recent recession that family lost the house so now it's available again.
MrSamster911 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:12:50 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
He was in the house because the house was being investigated As the family was living in it
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:12:14 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
He was probably lost. That happens a lot to kids who have NO FUCKING EYES!
HybridVigor ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:22:52 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Back then kids didn't have helicopter parents hovering over them alk the time. We didn't have "play dates" scheduled. We played with who we wanted to play, where and when we wanted to play.
Batmans_Nigga ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:04:59 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Being a kid,I loved exploring "haunted" houses. I had to prove to myself that ghosts do not exist and this was the best way to do it.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:50:40 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
And how would you take a picture without seeing that kid?
solid07 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:46:50 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Why would a kid be there late at night by himself though? Makes no sense.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:34:44 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
i feel like a) kids aren't great at hiding, it would be easy to find them b) the kid showed his face right in front of where you are taking a picture, this would be super obvious and c) it was an extremely high-profile crime scene, it seems hard for a 4 year old to sneak in unnoticed
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:07:32 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
It's actually not creepy at all when you simply believe what you just mentioned.
Cloudy_mood ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:53:54 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
There's a documentary on(it was on Netflix, not sure if it was still on there) that Lorraine said the house was empty and they went into the room after they took it and there was no child. I dunno though....
Chupathingy713 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:47:47 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
When I used to participate in a ghost research group the director used to be friends with the Warrens and we did a while class on this case. According to them they felt this was a demonic presence taking the form of the youngest boy that died in the house. They never mentioned any children being present during the investigation and the almost glowing eyes are just not a natural lighting effect. It's pretty convincing of something supernatural IMO.
Deadbreeze ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:59:43 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
What always creeped me out was what was above/behind the kid in the doorway. I swear there's a demon face back there. Top left of door darkness.
NotReallyEthicalLOL ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:30:10 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Even if there was a kid there, his eyes should not be doing that.
NyrobiSwank_69 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:47:08 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, but it was only after staring at the picture for like 5 minutes that I got the sickening realization... there's a pair of eyes above the kid...
ScaryDesigns ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:26:51 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Also, the kid's eyes reflect the flash, telling you it is much more likely he was really there (although double exposures are still possible).
Mandinder ยท 896 points ยท Posted at 15:06:55 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Pictures of small children are unpleasant, I'll grant you that. I'm not sure they're paranormal.
jetpacksforall ยท 29 points ยท Posted at 15:17:21 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
If that was my kid, I'd leave him and move the hell out of the house.
Pheon809 ยท 24 points ยท Posted at 16:22:21 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
How did you reply to a comment that was posted 25 minutes ago, over an hour ago?
This is creepy.
vam2060 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:08:11 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I demand an explanation!
Pheon809 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:17:47 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
For some reason, when I saw this. It said that /u/mandinger's comment was posted 25 minutes ago and that /u/jetpacksforall's reply to that comment was posted 1 hour ago. I assume a few people noticed the same, but it seems that it's been fixed.
vam2060 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:43:15 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I noticed that also, that's why I demanded an explanation.
rcski77 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 22:32:27 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
It's still showing that the comment was posted 6 hours ago but the reply was posted 7 hours ago. Not fixed after all.
GeneralGump ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:31:58 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Now it says /u/Mandinder posted 8 hours ago and /u/jepacksforall posted 9 hours ago...
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:01:00 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 19:37:38 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
You've just been banned from /r/babybumps and /r/daddit.
Mandinder ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 19:49:24 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I've never been so happy.
damendred ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:31:52 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Don't worry I'm sure you'll get the exact same content at /r/yourfacebookfeed
Robby712 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:13:16 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
If you hate picture of small children you'd hate my Facebook feed
OHNOITGODZEERA ยท 77 points ยท Posted at 15:06:34 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Faked or not, I agree with you, shit's still creepy.
DasBarenJager ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 07:08:22 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
THOSE FUCKING EYES. I don't care about the context, I do not like this photo
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[deleted] ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 16:59:58 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
The fabrication by the Lutz/Lawyer/Publisher has always been interesting; but what I find most unsettling about that horror story were the actual murders of which the story was built upon.
Specifically, that none of the victims moved from their beds while being shot with a shotgun. Blood evidence showed no sign of struggle and autopsy's showed no sign of drugs. I think the original murder is far creepier when you listen to the killers account of possession.
Even if it's just a mad man riding the coat tails of the supernatural drama for chance at innocence, it's still incredibly unnerving to hear him explain what happened in a clam, cool, collected voice.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:18:49 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
The theory I've heard is that the murderer (the son) did not act alone. In all likelihood, his sister helped him commit the murders and he later turned on her.
Still creepy, of course.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:28:53 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Wasn't a shotgun. Was a .35 caliber rifle according to wikipedia.
evilengine ยท 286 points ยท Posted at 15:09:51 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
isn't it just the daughter that the Lutz's had? or is it that weird three eyed thing right above her head? sorta looks like a spider
http://imgur.com/GD4IUFx
masterbard1 ยท 323 points ยท Posted at 15:43:37 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
that's just noise.
The_Koi ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 20:56:57 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Famous last words
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 10:06:47 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Thats an odd way to spell satan.
Dr_fish ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 12:58:44 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Or Cthulhu. I'm going to go with Cthulhu.
masterbard1 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:07:36 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
ok what the heck i'll go with Cthulhu too.
jakebot96 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:54:24 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
You're just in denial.
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forgivedurden ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:44:12 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, sure it is.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:42:50 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
It's funny how when I first looked at the photo I see nothing, then when something is pointed out I'm like HOLY SHIT THAT TOTALLY IS SOMETHING CREEPY! Haha
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JonWithAnO ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:20:02 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Noise or not, it looks creepy as hell.
olaf_from_norweden ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:30:56 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Then how do you explain the two eyes I found on the door?! http://i.imgur.com/Eo1Otbr.png
DownvoteALot ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 16:05:49 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Most grandfather clocks have drawings like that. You can even see the pendulum bar hanging over the boy's head. Not much of a mystery.
tristanley ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:41:14 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Oh Jesus. I thought the kid was the creepy part. What the actual fuck is that?
teganandsararock ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 17:18:49 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
literally nothing
Fallacy229 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:01:06 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
That is what it reminds me of.
HonorConnor ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:00:32 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Looks more like three dots to me
dirtymoney ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:44:15 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
that is jodie
evilengine ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:58:46 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
that's what I thought of initially. The fact there's a little kid standing right there so I thought it must be something else in the picture, hence why I singled out the weird thing above her. I'm sorry, but just having an odd looking little girl in a photo does not count as a ghost or demon.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:17:00 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Ugh that just gave me the heebee jeebees.
Noke_swog ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:44:22 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I was wondering why no one had pointed that out yet.
mitchbutter1210 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:53:01 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I can kinda see a spider there but it also looks like a small child floating with her head hanging back. Creepy as fuck!
Unknown_IT ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:03:31 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I kinda see a wolf cocking its head to the side. Definitely adds to the creep factor though.
tambrico ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:15:31 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
it's just image artifacts.
wiljones ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:05:21 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Those are dots that could be pretty much anything, not eyes.
5celery ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:33:54 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I'm more frightened by the lion demon peering from the extradimensional portal clearly outlined on the right wall.
iamnotinvisible ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:12:27 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Sam Fisher
crosby510 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:36:17 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Looks like ceiling lights.
thelosthansen ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:58:32 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Shelob doesn't like to be disturbed
shamoni ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:05:04 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
http://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/tv-movies/danny-lutz-recounts-tale-terror-amityville-horror-article-1.1282440?pgno=1
Cyclops_lazy_laser_I ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:08:18 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Isn't that just a three headed lamp? Also I don't see how it looks like anything but a lamp.
evilengine ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:18:58 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
very funny you should say that! In the Amityville horror movie series, the 4th film has an evil 3 bulbed lamp that s removed from the house and spreads the original house's evil
Thehipandhap ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:04:12 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
You just made it a lot creepier
Techmical ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:07:57 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
That looks to be a light fixture of some sort (to me, at least).
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chainwarden ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 15:10:28 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
The picture is taken indoors. In the scene you can see a stairwell and there are 2 open doors. A child's face is visible next to the stairwell making a neutral facial expression and the eyes are white, possibly from the camera's flash.
[deleted] ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 15:20:26 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
It's a bright and sunny Saturday morning where I am. The birds are chirping, the baby is napping upstairs ... and I'm still too chicken shit to click on the picture.
BrettGilpin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:58:01 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
If you didn't, you really should. It's not that had. A little bit creepy and whatnot but a lot of people apparently are saying that it was the family's boy or something
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 15:08:14 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)*
A faint/misty face behind a puppy. you can barely see the face though so it's not that scary.
speech-geek ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 15:09:20 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Taken when a paranormal team and a reporter were the only ones in the Amityville horror house, it is of a little boy standing near a banister that has illuminated eyes.
Anzai ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:21:10 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
It's a kid on a staircase. His eyes are white because of the camera flash. It's really nothing.
InsertStickIntoAnus ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 15:07:49 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Ed and Lorraine Warren are about as credible as Laurel and Hardy.
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prosummobono ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:59:50 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
holy shit.
rahmspinat ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:20:51 on December 18, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
supposed
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 14:59:10 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
what am i looking for here?
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Zack_Fair_ ยท 40 points ยท Posted at 15:02:59 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
that child in the picture. I DO NOT UNDERSTAND THESE THREADS
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:25:40 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
seriously, only takes me .003 seconds per picture to find this shit
typodaemon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:22:31 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I actually thought I was supposed to see the jpeg compression at the top of the doorway that looks kind of like a werewolf mask tilted (two glowing eyes, a shiny nose).
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:13:51 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
that spooky lion
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:10:14 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Boy in the doorway....
lookslikeyoureSOL ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:50:33 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Can someone put some circles and arrows please?
Barn_Dog ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:16:33 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
The kid with glowing demon-eyes in the door on the left
The5Pieces ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:04:43 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Left side, child looking straight at you from the door way. Creepy as fuck.
Anzai ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 15:20:12 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
But why is that not just a child looking at the camera? What's supernatural about it?
akkahwoop ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 15:07:32 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Above the kid's head. Two dots. They're eeeeyyyyeeeees!
ElPotatoDiablo ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:42:56 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
So wait. Two people who have an obvious motive to lie and stage photos for their own benefit say that because a kid was in this picture when no kids were supposed to be around, that's totally evidence of supernatural activity?
That's pretty fucking dumb. And if you just swallow that story wholesale then I'd say you're pretty fucking dumb too.
crestonfunk ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:57:54 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
It bothers me that people's logic works like: "there weren't supposed to be any kids in the house" = Ghost!
I have a four-year-old kid. Know where she usually wants to be? Where she's not supposed to be. That's how kids work.
Why don't people naturally gravitate towards: "kid where there's not supposed to be a kid" = That's how kids work.
sysop073 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:00:17 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I read "During the investigation, there was allegedly no children in the house" and thought "...but there were. There's even a picture of one, right there. Allegation false"
AdonisChrist ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:06:31 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
What am I looking for here?
pylon567 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:08:05 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Supernatural or not, you couldn't pay me enough to stay in that house.
As for the picture? Fuck that.
ScubaGW ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:09:41 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Kind of looks like a strange face above the child... With its head turned to one side.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:11:14 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I don't care if it's fake, it's still creepy as fuck.
bittersweetdistract ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:11:51 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Nahhhh this could be a normal photo and its creeping me the fuck out at 3 in the afternoon. nah nah nah
MontiBurns ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:11:52 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
is that a drawing from the lion king?
dvdmhr ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:20:39 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
That lion picture definitely creeps me out.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:20:57 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I've always thought the whole Amityville thing, interesting as it was, is a farce. But this photo has always creeped me out and made me wonder.
Decalance ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:22:42 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I just saw the two dots above the kids head. Fuck.
panther14 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:28:42 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Are they the same couple from the conjuring.
heavyfrog2 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:29:26 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
There is nothing creepy in the image itself. Our human imagination plays tricks on us, especially when we are told a cautionary (also known as "scary") story before seeing the image. It is the result of a long human evolution where stories play a crucial part in the survival of the species. We ought to be afraid, if we are explicitly told there's something to be afraid of. Because otherwise, we just might die. Also, if it is something we don't understand, it is better to assume it is dangerous and thus it becomes scary. We are victims of our ancestors, who were intelligent enough to be afraid of the dark. Cheer up, the image is NOT scary!
MerelyIndifferent ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:30:58 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Since they were 6 feet away they should have just gone up to him instead of just taking a picture of him.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:33:25 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Fuck everything about this. That just gave me serious chills. I'm good with "faint figures" but as soon as an actual dead kid shows up in the picture I'm done.
Bulldogs7 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:34:53 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Am I the only one who sees little boys in both doors...?
MooseSteak ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:36:46 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
If I'm not mistaken they made a movie about this www.imdb.com/title/tt1457767/
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:38:44 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Looks like black ectoplasmic living doom is coming out of the door on the right.
brianberns ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:42:34 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
So even ghosts get red eye from a camera flash?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:46:28 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Because they don't have any vested interest in finding "supernatural" things.
keiyakins ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:51:50 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
They asked for supernatural, not weird phenomina that happen in our universe.
backwoodsofcanada ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:54:19 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Didn't a movie just come out based on this? I remember those were the names of the ghost hunters and there was a creepy ass doll named Annabelle or something.
theinternethero ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:55:30 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Wait that was a real story? I thought it all fake
giraffe_taxi ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:02:40 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
...it looks like a normal picture of a live human child.
I assume that the Warrens claim there was no such child present. This makes me question their credibility. It also means that the entire claim of supernatural phenomenon here rests on the credibility of the Warrens.
nhlcyclesophist ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:03:57 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
The Warrens, as well as the entire Amityville story, have been discredited. Only peoples' persistence in wanting to believe the story has kept this fact from becoming much more widely known.
BLACKdrew ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:10:04 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
What about the other face in the doorway?
amant94 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:11:56 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
The reflectiom in his eyws is what creeps me out dunno why.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:13:58 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I read that book when I was about 13. It scared the living shit out of me.
theguynamedtim ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:19:18 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Despite the high possibility of this being a hoax, just the sheer fact of living near that house in Amityville makes me feel so creeped out.
professor_rumbleroar ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:24:58 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
They're the people who were characters in The Conjuring, right? That movie was creepy as fuck. If something like that is what supposedly happened at Amityville, this picture would be pretty freaky.
lil-praying-mantis ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:27:26 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
My mom's cousin and his family live on Long Island few minuets away and knows the current owner of the house. They were hassled so much, tourists would flood their street and look for the house with "the eyes", because of the two creepy windows on the second floor. Shameful to say, we stopped by ten years ago but couldn't find the house.
The owners had to redo the house so people wouldn't be able to find them as easy. It sucks for them.
They say it isn't haunted, but who the hell would want to live in a house where that happened?!?!
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:34:40 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I am home alone. I opened this and immediately looked over my shoulder at my banister.
I gotta get outta here!!
Balabol ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:35:20 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
supposed*
JackSLO ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:38:33 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I shouldn't be looking at these things when i just recently had creepy nightmares like that.. :|
WifelikePigeon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:46:35 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Gaaaah I knew it was going to be that one. Doesn't matter what time of day, or how many people I'm with, this picture always sends chills down my spine.
swifferMorty ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:47:16 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Shit. that just gave me goosebumps
john286 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:56:34 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Didn't the warrens also investigate the house in The Conjuring?
stoshumala17 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:59:36 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Of course I have heard of the movie Amityville Horror, but have never seen it. This is the third of fourth time that I have seen this pop up on Reddit so I decided to read up on it here. This account is a very good read and does a good job focusing on the facts of the case and what happened the night that the DeFeo's died.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:06:19 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Looks to my skeptical eye like a little old woman crouching down in the corner wearing old fashioned 70s glasses with large lenses. The flash from the camera reflects off the lenses and gives it a creepy effect.
And of course, it's passed around as a child ghost in a haunted house where no children were present, so that makes it more frightening.
Wombat_H ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:22:30 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I lived down the street from this house as a kid.
pipe2p ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:31:57 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
i like the painting of the lion on the wall.
moofunk ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:38:59 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
It was explained as being one of the investigators poking his/her head out. The weird skin color is caused by the photograph being taken with an infrared camera.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:42:38 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Fucking glowing eyes god dammit thanks a lot old, grainy photography sonofabitch
enragedStapler ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:45:52 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I can't bring myself to believe any proof that comes from 'paranormal investigators'. The motive to forge a supernatural appearance is way too plausible.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:58:22 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Great photo, but I don't trust anything involving Ed and Lorraine Warren.
PamCakers ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:01:39 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
My brother used to live fairly close to this house. I hadn't seen the movie, but everyone knows the story. We pull up and park across the street. No one appeared to be home so we figured we'd get close to the house, take some pictures and leave. We got to where the sidewalk would lead to the door and I can tell you there is something not right in that house. Call it a ghost, demon, whatever you like, but as soon as we got to that one spot, we couldn't move. We both felt sick, the hairs on our arms and necks were standing, and we felt like there were eyes all around us, watching, waiting, angry. We left and never tried to go back there. Something about that house/property/neighborhood is not right, and it's downright creepy.
InhaleBot900 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:04:25 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
There was a child in the house. It's in that picture you posted. Either that or a ghost child, and which is more plausible?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:14:22 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I'm sorry, but could you explain what the whole Amityville thing actually is. I'm literally too scared to look it up because you can't google anything without getting pictures.
speech-geek ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:03:54 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
In the late 1970s, George Lutz, his new wife Kathy, and her three children from a previous marriage moved into a large house in Amityville, NY for a bargain price that they otherwise could not have afforded. The reason was that a year earlier, the eldest son of a family went "crazy" and murdered his parents and siblings at point blank range as they slept. The Lutzs knew what had happened from the realtor and moved in anyway.
Shortly after moving in and having a priest bless the house, weird things started happening. A weird ooze came out of the walls, flies were dying on all the window sills, a weird odor filled some of the rooms. One night, George was looking out of the house and saw tracks in the snow. He investigated and saw the tracks hooves from a pig. George looked back at the house and saw glowing red eyes from the daughter's bedroom. When he went upstairs, only the daughter was there. Kathy put up crucifixes and these would be flipped upside down.
George began to be awoken at 4:30am every morning to loud music as if from a marching band. He began to take less care of himself and grew a beard. Soon, he began to frequent the same bar that the son of the previous owners did. While at home one evening, both George and Kathy saw a devil's face in the fireplace. George spent a lot of time in front of the fire, unable to get warm. He investigated the basement one day and found a red painted room that was not on the floor plan of the house. Kathy began to have nightmares about the murders and reportedly, all members of the family began to sleep in the same positions as the murder victims. Most terrifying of all, the daughter began to report of speaking to a pig creature as her "friend" and the being's name was Jodie.
Everything reached a head when Kathy and George decided to bless the house on their own. The Lutzs have never fully revealed the events of the final night, but the family soon fled in terror. They only went back once to collect some items but they never lived in the house again.
They lived there 28 days.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:01:29 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Shit. So are the Lutz's still alive and well today to recall the events? Not that they would want to be disturbed about it but I don't think i'd be able to live that down.
[deleted] ยท 194 points ยท Posted at 19:47:16 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Footage from abandoned camera found in Paris Catacombs
beepborpimajorp ยท 81 points ยท Posted at 22:20:04 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
This one was new to me, and I admit it did freak me out a little. Moreso because it's very much a video of someone slowly realizing how lost they are and panicking in a very real and identifiable way. D:
SewerSquirrel ยท 232 points ยท Posted at 00:38:32 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)*
The catacombs go on for hundreds of miles of twists and turns, multiple levels, rooms, tiny corridors, and we don't have them mapped. You've been traveling for 1 or 2 hours, when you realize you haven't paid attention to where you're at. You got lost in the details, taking it all in. After the panic sets in, you realize that you don't know which direction you came from. Was it down this way, or that way? Or around that corner back a few feet? Was it an incline, or the decline you can see? You frantically look at the ground to see if you kicked up dust, but there's no discernible path. You start to hyperventilate, then sit down. Then you realize you can't just sit here, there's no one within any range of you that can hear. If you could call someone? No.. even if you could get reception, how do you explain where you're at? You start walking, hopes up that you can find your way out. You start seeing things, in this vast expanse. Then you hear things. Scratches, something knocking on walls behind you. You run. But you just run deeper into the maze. This is the city of the dead, and its got its grasp upon you, calling for you to join the legion.
Edit: Thank you for the gold! I had some time to kill, didn't realize anyone would like it!
DoctorProfessorTaco ยท 30 points ยท Posted at 01:07:18 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Funny you say this, because above the entrance it says: "STOP, THIS HERE LIES THE EMPIRE OF THE DEAD".
WetSweatpants ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 11:47:02 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
This happened to a girl in Odessa, they found her like two years later. So terrifying.
http://www.reddit.com/r/WTF/comments/zsdn3/girl_got_lost_in_the_catacombs_below_odessa_after/
Sorta NSFW, shows her body, just awful :(
Edit: easier link
pshrimp ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:59:15 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
They actually found her several months later, but authorities just weren't interested in attempting to retrieve the body for those two years until media attention forced their hand.
Duzzy_Funlop ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 02:23:36 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Too bad real life isn't like Minecraft, otherwise you could just put torches on the right side of the wall as a guide back.
Elrondel ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 05:51:10 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
You could do that, given enough time, with markers of other types.
But what happens when your torches start disappearing on you?
[deleted] ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 07:26:21 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
arahman81 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 08:24:40 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
And still get lost at the bloody mineshafts,
laughingrrrl ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 02:18:19 on December 16, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
You've got to be shitting me. Paris? Huge city? Archeologist's easiest ever first publication paper: here, we mapped part of the catacombs. Bingo, PhD.
I find it hard to believe it hasn't been mapped to bits by academics.
Noncomment ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 07:19:07 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
God damn it if only I filmed the way down here.
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 22:27:58 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Wow. That sucks that he didn't have a way to retrace his steps with something that can somehow record his every turn that can be played back in reverse. Wait....
DoctorProfessorTaco ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 00:48:06 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)*
Wow... this is truly a beautifully written depiction of the insanity that they drop into as they realize the situation they have gotten themselves into. Bravo
EDIT: Congrats on gold, that paragraph deserves it
SewerSquirrel ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:36:13 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Thanks! Sometimes deciding to just let the words flow is a good way to kill time.
Godolin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:39:18 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Yep. Teared up just thinking about being in that.
WarriorkingNL ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:55:57 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
relevant username. Kinda.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:58:06 on December 16, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
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SewerSquirrel ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:00:24 on December 16, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
As I'm currently exploring a ravine/cave combo in FTB (A modpack for MC) I can agree. Surprised I'm still getting comments as well.
Couchpatator ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:50:23 on December 23, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Why didnt he use the playback on the camera to find his way out, that's what I wonder.
SquidManHero ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:41:07 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
And there goes my chances of sleeping
MossyMemory ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:18:30 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
That there is some fantastic writing!
jishjib22kys ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:57:03 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Why not rip and drop a piece of your clothes and follow the wall to the right until you're out or run into the piece again? (Of course, once you run into the piece again, you try that left and if that fails, too you have to go right a bit, rip and drop a new piece, then go left and follow the wall again, etc.)
Also, there's the strategy of following the wind, but I don't like it, because it could lead to an opening too small to get through.
beepborpimajorp ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 02:25:48 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)*
The parisian catacombs are 400 miles long. They span almost the entirety of the area underneath central Paris. You'd need a lot of cloth to do that, and I doubt wind flows into the area because certain parts of it used to be mining tunnels along with aquaducts and there's very few entrances, most of which have been sealed off.
jishjib22kys ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:10:12 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I know. Works anyways. Classic labyrinth solver algorithm. Works with anything but shifting wall mazes.
me_so_pro ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 10:17:49 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
It works if you survives long enough.
Sonicdahedgie ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:14:34 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Oh my god, I'm remembering an episode of Ghost Adventurers, which is HILARIOUS. While the Ghost Hunters go in places with a sense of professionalism, the Ghost Adventurers do NOT. Both guys get freaked out, run around panicking, get separated, and then get really scared because they're alone. Then something else happens and the guy just SCREAMS. It was much funny. If anyone know the clip I'm talking about, the episode where they're at an old brothel or something in texas, I would love to see the clip again.
foreveragnomie ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 01:21:22 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Those guys annoy the shit out of me and the leader Zach? is so douchey. He's always like "Hey ghosts, come at me bro" But it's entertaining to watch how awful they are.
MarylandBlue ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:09:08 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
That sounds like the guy from Paranormal State that used to air on A&E, everything was a demon and buy the end of the show the main guy always seem to be yelling in an attic or other empty room and daring the "spirits" to come get him. Its hilarious.
beepborpimajorp ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:33:42 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
That was actually their pilot documentary which got them the show.
http://youtu.be/9JfQVG6RYVo
I'll give the GA guys credit, they're hilarious. As long as you watch their show just looking to be entertained rather than see any actual proof of anything, it's worth it. Kind of like MTV's old FEAR show.
spinblackcircles ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:35:19 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
i dunno, i was like 12 when FEAR came out and that show scare the absolute shit out of me. but i didnt really realize how fake it was.
beepborpimajorp ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:37:37 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
it's still worth watching. i was freaked out by it too, and still kinda am, but so many parts of it are so funny too!
MissionSidhu ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 10:19:21 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Exactly why i hated The Blair Witch Project. Its one of my favourite horror movies of all time, but the desperation seen is just unbearable.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 02:09:57 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)*
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beepborpimajorp ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:27:20 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
It looks like he was just filming ahead of him. Everything looks pretty much the same, except for a few areas with wall paintings. These catacombs span for 400 miles underneath Paris. If you get lost, you're lost. That's why most parts of them are blocked off now.
itzjamesftw ยท 100 points ยท Posted at 22:30:42 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Brought to you by ABC Family.
willystylee ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 05:02:12 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Thank you. The moment i saw that watermark i was out.
tmoney508 ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 20:07:19 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Do they know who the man was or if he survived?
[deleted] ยท 26 points ยท Posted at 20:10:19 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
No it's still a mystery. Apparently that guy went down there in the 90's and they found the camcorder years later
throwaway_fuckyou_x2 ยท 33 points ยท Posted at 21:00:23 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Seems like he got lost and panicked. Simple explanation. No need for supernatural explanations.
[deleted] ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 21:28:48 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Still cool though.
endeavour3d ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 23:43:52 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Except the part where he died alone in the dark, assuming it's real
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:49:37 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
It's possible that he got out. Someone could have heard him or whatever. Of course it's not at all out of the realm of possibility that he starved to death.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 02:02:35 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
He was like 300+ feet down and scared to the point of delusion. So, I would hope he made it out. If he died down there and they found his body, you'd expect news about it, and investigators connecting the dots between him and footage, but maybe he's forever lost from a tunnel collapse or under a body of water. Not trying to sound too grim though, because maybe this poor dude is alive, living in the shadows and not wanting to talk about it.
olaf_from_norweden ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 05:49:41 on December 16, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe he's still down there.
Living off bone soup.
throwaway_fuckyou_x2 ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 21:29:47 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Yup. Spooky as fuck, but not supernatural.
yhgvb ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 21:56:50 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Probably panicked and started freaking himself out.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 22:03:43 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, but when I saw it, knowing that 7 million people are buried there, my mind was immediately racing to the supernatural possibilities.
throwaway_fuckyou_x2 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 22:19:39 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Being there would freak me out too, and I'd be running.
[deleted] ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 22:28:57 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, I would be pretty freaked just walking in there. If I heard so much as a cricket chirp I would probably shit my pants and start running in a panic.
UltimateLemon ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 00:17:47 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Reminds me of the girl who got lost in the Odessa catacombs.
Really grim way to die.
Levy_Wilson ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:21:52 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
The /r/morbidreality thread is better. Their words put you into the horror the girl felt in her last hours.
[deleted] ยท 30 points ยท Posted at 21:34:44 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
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Nexes ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 23:31:10 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
That... that is really dark and spooky. Not supernatural, but chills.
[deleted] ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 03:19:00 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
To me thats scarier than supernatural stories because it can totally happen to you - there a loads of stories of people getting hurt or lost and dying in catacombs.
Nexes ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:31:44 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
yeah it's amazing how something so open to the public is so dangerous. Just seems so... not human
Staxxy ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 06:29:17 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)*
These parts are certainly not open to the public. The french police actively tries to prevent dumb people from playing adventurers there by finding and sealing off (like, with concrete and titanium) any loose entrance and by patrolling some parts.
You know, you can visit the catacombs. But only the fucking balised and sealed off path.
Nexes ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:54:55 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Well that's a bit more settling.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:52:02 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Woah, do you have some good sources for this? I needed something to occupy my Sunday.
Tyrconnel ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 01:28:45 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)*
Terrifying and fascinating. I wonder who drew this face at 1:13. Was it teenage graffiti, or hundreds of years old? Brilliantly creepy.
Pootis_Spenser ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:35:38 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
nice thought
Thewonderingent1065 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:13:10 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
What was that weird noise after he fell? just heavy breathing?
kinggarbanzo ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 06:21:40 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
it wasn't him falling, he dropped the camera and continued running.
Oznog99 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 08:50:32 on December 16, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
It's freaky, but it's well within the scope of people doing pranks or... shall we say "cavalier anonymous performance art".
Most likely someone fucking around, basically.
Mr_Austine ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:55:09 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Well fuck.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:40:44 on December 29, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Why is that on ABC Family?
rivvern ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:42:44 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
After searching around a bit it's apparently fake and created for some old TV show.
MollFlanders ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 22:55:04 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Source?
rivvern ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 23:43:00 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Here you go.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 02:03:51 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Wait what? How's there evidence that it's fake
rivvern ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:57:43 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Well, fine, not the best source, but several people mention seeing the show and that everything they aired was fake. Still a bit more credible than all the other google results which consist mostly of conspiracy sites with the same story pasted over. A parisian cataphile even mentions never hearding of the story except from americans.
reasonableposter ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 20:50:09 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
First thing of this whole thread to unsettle me... I knew I'd find some gems digging deep into the catacombsa of this thread.
Bigminotaur ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:31:30 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
What really unsettles me is the fact that the guy repeats himself perfectly without a beat.. Like... Why?
thefinalfall ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 01:03:29 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Anyone else notice that jump cut before the camera fell. Fake or footage has been altered.
SupaKoopa714 ยท 570 points ยท Posted at 15:24:38 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
One of my personal favorites is the deLoys' Ape. While not strictly supernatural, I have seen it in a few books about the supernatural. Here's the story behind it. I'm not sure if it's true or not, but I think it's totally possible that it's some rare species of ape or monkey that's only ever been seen that one time, and the photo looks pretty convincing as well.
StaringAtTheGalaxy ยท 310 points ยท Posted at 16:25:43 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
That's an interesting photograph. The wikipedia article claims that they shot the female, but it would appear as if the specimen in question has a penis?
Serial_Chiller ยท 341 points ยท Posted at 17:13:54 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
The German version of the article gives an explanation:
Translation (roughly, no English native):
StaringAtTheGalaxy ยท 38 points ยท Posted at 18:35:13 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I've been trying to find a good picture of a spider monkey's clitoris for comparison for an hour, but keep getting pictures of penises and flowers when I do image searches. I'm serious here: Could you link me to one? I considered that it could be a clitoris, but it is proportionally so large, wrinkled, and there seems to be no presence of breasts/breast tissue.
datsic_9 ยท 27 points ยท Posted at 21:43:53 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
This is the clearest picture I could find that wasn't just a diagram.
AnkhMorporkian ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 01:28:11 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
That somehow made more more gay than I already was.
datsic_9 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 01:35:01 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
You're welcome?
[deleted] ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 21:07:01 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Female hyenas also have a penis-like protrusion. It is almost impossible to tell them apart from the males just by looking at them. Maybe that would be a good place to search for things like that as it is a bit more well known. I might even have some pictures from my last Bronx zoo trip...
With regards to the lack of breasts, humans one of the few if not the only mammal with permanent breasts. In other animals breasts only enlarge when it is time for a baby.
Serial_Chiller ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 18:47:51 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Sorry, couldn't find one either. And a little piece of advice: DO NOT do a google image search for 'giant clitoris'.
[deleted] ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 20:31:47 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
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banananinja2 ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 22:41:49 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Woah there Seitan.
[deleted] ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 23:16:01 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Well, Bing is supposedly a lot better for porn, so there's that.
Jipz ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 20:08:21 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Don't tell me what to do
Decker87 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:53:40 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Just don't let anyone see your search history...
DasBarenJager ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:59:34 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
That is too much Reddit for one day lad, please put away the computer and call your mother
Hippo_Kondriak ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:17:22 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
r/nocontext
themasterof ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 19:33:23 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I have now pictures of spider monkey clitorises in my web history.
CalmZenCat ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 18:05:14 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)*
I think the german version only makes it sound funnier. RIESIGE KLITORIS. GIANT CLITORIS!!!!
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:43:27 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Giant is English though?
CalmZenCat ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:15:26 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
thanks, fixed to say clitoris now.
St1ng ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:54:06 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
O.o
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:44:47 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I bet that monkey has great orgasms.
[deleted] ยท -7 points ยท Posted at 18:24:53 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Didn't know we were talking about your mom
isotope88 ยท 67 points ยท Posted at 17:12:16 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I wouldn't be surprised if it's a clitoris. Some species are known for their abnormal sized clitorises. They were that big that they were confused for hermaphrodites. For example google for hyena or squirrel monkey clitorises.
peedzllab ยท 72 points ยท Posted at 17:14:52 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)*
I'd rather not google that...seems a little, say, fucked up?
Edit: punctuation!!
isotope88 ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 17:19:00 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)*
I can understand :D I'm currently on my mom's laptop and opened an incognito tab. You will get drawings and text, not photos :)
EDIT: grammar
peedzllab ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:13:47 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Ohhhh, Ill google it then!
aazav ยท -9 points ยท Posted at 17:38:13 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
photo's what?
Photo is a word now. No apostrophe before the s.
isotope88 ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 17:59:02 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I know. I edited it after a couple of minutes.
In Dutch we say: 1 foto, 2 foto's
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 20:14:55 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
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LeMeowLePurrr ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 20:16:18 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
*You're
peedzllab ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:14:40 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Oh you!
aazav ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 17:37:43 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I'd*
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:05:16 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Freudian slip?
ironlegdave ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 19:10:37 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, do that. Google, "Hyena monkey clitoris". Particularly if you are at work and definitely if you have a government job.
isotope88 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:14:36 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Uhm what? Never said you had to do this right here, right now :) I thought it was obvious it was NSFW :)
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:42:44 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I remember watching a documentary about hyenas years ago and they mentioned that females have such high testosterone levels that they grow a pensis like organ. Always stuck with me.
isotope88 ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 18:55:54 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe you should go talk to a specialist, sounds like a traumatic experience :D
KidTempo ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:19:46 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
great, I'm now no longer welcome at the public library...
The_Mighty_Tachikoma ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:13:24 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
And suddenly the NSA is confused as to the rash increase in googling of "Hyena Clitoris"
ParticleEffect ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:37:10 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Hyena Clit... NSFW?
isotope88 ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 18:54:52 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Ah yeah... that's it! Doesn't that get you hot? xD
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:48:29 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Should I Google it at work?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:53:50 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Just don't let your mom walk in on you.
isotope88 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:48:05 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I'm 25 and I'm studying bio-engineering so no questions asked.
sauvarie ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:02:20 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Clitorati
ThatParanoidPenguin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:44:33 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
RIP my history
Thepotatokingg ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:29:53 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I'm good
tamagawa ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:36:37 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Good luck explaining that in your browser history
isotope88 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:46:41 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
If you're using Google Chrome, you can press Ctrl + Shift + N and you get an incognito browser that doesn't record your history.
Clown_Penis_Fart ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:50:20 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
You won't trick me into googling hyena clitoras'. Not again
amgoingtohell ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 17:07:44 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
That's its clit. You should see the male's penis.
JustThatRedditor ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:09:20 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
If their females also have penises I can see why their species is not so prominent or thriving.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:16:13 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
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aazav ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:32:28 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Hyenas aren't monkeys or apes.
JustThatRedditor ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:35:15 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Can you prove that in the court of law?
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:05:33 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
... They went and captured the male?
Kindhamster ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:11:37 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Nope. Read the wiki article
PleaseBmoreCharming ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:06:05 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, I was thinking the same thing.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:15:01 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Big clit.
JoeyJoeJoeShabadou ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:17:42 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Shadows and hair.
StaringAtTheGalaxy ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:29:18 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I've definitely considered that, but the shadows don't seem to be outlining or highlighting the labia, and what I thought could be the head of the penis extends well below where any labia or clitoris should, proportionally speaking. If it is actually labia, then they hung like a basset hound's ears.
YesHunty ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:09:05 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe she just has a big clitoris. Don't be so judgemental!
4everadrone ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:54:47 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Dude, she's already really self-conscious of her ape clit..
iAlmostSurvived ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:59:08 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
prolapsed amus.
heslaotian ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:10:39 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Female deLoy's apes have huge clits.
aazav ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:33:58 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
De Loys' apes
aazav ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:31:28 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Penises have balls that go with them.
But I don't see any breasts on this ape either.
StaringAtTheGalaxy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:25:32 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I looked at more pictures of this specimen (more or less edited for contrast, scenery) just to compare. This one, for example. The testicles could be hidden due to the shadow cast on that area of his body, but the structure in question does closely resemble an uncircumcised, flaccid human penis (NSFW, human penis for comparison). Also note that, although this picture was taken from a different angle and not head-on, you can see how the penis dwarfs the testicles in this image (of course this is not true for all penis-testicle sets, but variation is reasonable and expected), as well as the wrinkled foreskin, which appears similarly to the feature in question on the "ape."
Really, the only reason I'm so hung up about this is because I just finished several biological illustrations the other day, and was interested in recreating this image... But "she" doesn't seem to be so accurate...
Chakote ยท 1381 points ยท Posted at 17:11:18 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Wikipedia excerpt:
....
This could be the first ever documented example of "banana for scale".
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 19:16:10 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Interesting.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 20:02:22 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I can't read that anymore without thinking of this
RefreshingPanda ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:28:53 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
HOLY CRAP. REDDIT MUST BE PLAGIARIZING.
Porfinlohice ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:41:22 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
There it is
bpaq3 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:30:12 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Deloys' ape penis to scale the banana for scale.
iamnickdolan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:22:36 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Actually, the amount of radiation a banana gives off is used as a unit of measurement.
srizen ยท 41 points ยท Posted at 16:10:34 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Yea, i first read this story in the Ripley's encyclopedia. I think the rain forest is a big place, and they just haven't found another one.
fuk_dapolice ยท 90 points ยท Posted at 16:46:08 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
they could have been severely endangered and are now extinct
timms5000 ยท 63 points ยท Posted at 17:05:48 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
maybe that was the last female. oops.
[deleted] ยท -14 points ยท Posted at 17:10:34 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
It has a dick tho
Bambikins ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 17:40:47 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
It's a large clitoris, some species of monkeys' females have this.
Similar thing happens to human women when they take steroids.
highpressuresodium ยท -8 points ยท Posted at 19:04:51 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
the clitoris is technically a penis
sodapressingman ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 20:05:26 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Uh no. You could say that a penis is technically a clitoris though. Because all fetuses start out with a clitoris before they have a determined sex. When the chromosomes line up and the fetus is a boy, the clitoris develops into a penis, and when the chromosomes say that baby is a girl, the rest of the vagina develops.
iamacarboncarbonbond ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 23:58:37 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Since we're going to do semantics, technically males and females start out with undifferentiated sexual features, which then develop into a clitoris/labia or penis/testicles depending on whether or not it gets exposed to the hormones that signal for male development.
highpressuresodium ยท -6 points ยท Posted at 20:16:00 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
semantics
timms5000 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:47:00 on December 16, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
...no, no it is not.
highpressuresodium ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 03:02:48 on December 16, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
...yes, yes it is.
TokeyTokey ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:16:28 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
This was debunked as being a dead spider monkey propped up with a stick. Move along now people
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:22:29 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
did you see the banana tree stump?
TokeyTokey ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:58:21 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Unless I'm missing something maybe you can enlighten me?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:04:42 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Scale. Banana tree stumps are big.
Noncomment ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:13:15 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
If it was a different species that's pretty sad. It looks oddly human like.
StabStabby-From-Afar ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:59:44 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Doesn't mean we'll never see another one though.
Deforestation, yay!
Archaeology! Yay!
[deleted] ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 17:04:02 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
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yodamaster103 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:17:55 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
There was a species of ape that want discovered until like a hundred years ago
Skullcrusher ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 20:02:32 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Why are you assuming that thing is giant? It could be chimpanzee sized or even smaller. There's nothing that indicates scale.
peteroh9 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 20:14:59 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Banana tree stump in the background for scale.
alphabadger ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 17:09:43 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Had flashbacks to playing metro 2033 looking at that photo.
aazav ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 17:30:51 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
There are 300 pound chimps that have been found in the Congo. Check out the Bili Chimp.
http://karlshuker.blogspot.com/2013/02/the-bili-bondo-apes-unmasking-congos.html
WyattHD ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:08:22 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
That is the scariest looking motherfucking thing. If that thing was angry at me I would probably shit my pants and throw feces back as I run off screaming
PawnShop804 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 17:16:52 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Interesting that I read this today after watching a show about Bigfoot yesterday. They had a segment about an species of chimpanzee that hadn't been found until 2007, even though it's the size of a person and weighs 300lbs.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:23:54 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
His face haunts me after seeing it as a kid in some Fun Facts book... fucking hell...
hiddenkiwi ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:38:45 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Its entirely possible that this monkey exists and has not been sighted by scientists (or other interested individuals) since this sighting. Recently, a new monkey was discovered in the Amazon. The Purring Monkey (it purrs like a cat) http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2013/oct/23/purring-monkey-vegetarian-piranha-amazon-species
esoxlucius ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:26:21 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Purring monkeys sound cute as hell.
WalkingCloud ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:24:53 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Ape looks like Christopher Walken..
moofunk ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:15:49 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Here's the Skeptoid episode on deLoy's Ape, which goes into details on the who, the what and the where:
http://skeptoid.com/episodes/4302
Proxystarkilla ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:40:00 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
It looks like that salt sucker from that episode of Star Trek The Original Series.
Is_A_Velociraptor ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:56:16 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
It just looks like a spider monkey to me.
GreenGlassDrgn ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:43:22 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Its also interesting that this face looks a lot more like a folk art/classic/1800s version of a portrayal of an ape face, than ape faces usually do.
tigerlily1990 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:27:56 on December 16, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
The wiki link you supplied outright says it's either an existing species of spider monkey that was propped up to look like a different species, or a hoax using other means. Nothing supernatural or mysterious, the guy who "found" the new species was just attempting to get money.
armorandsword ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:16:31 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Check out this Skeptoid episode
willystylee ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 17:06:53 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I'm sorry, but... That "photo" looks "convincing" to you?
CookieDoughCooter ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:58:26 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Wikipedia doesn't take the photo very seriously either. Basically says it was a hoax or just some other species.
Not_Stalin ยท -7 points ยท Posted at 16:42:20 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Nice dong, ape
slingmustard ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 17:06:59 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Especially for a female.
[deleted] ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 17:10:03 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
dat dik
beatsfastbasslow ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:52:07 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
It's a clitoris
[deleted] ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 18:47:13 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
It's virtually impossible for there to be a living species of large ape or monkey that we don't know about. You can't just have a handful of individuals. You need hundreds to have a sustainable population in the wild, and they would occasionally have to wonder into human territory in search of food or something.
There could be small monkeys in forests somewhere that haven't been cataloged, though.
ReichsFuhrer1 ยท -18 points ยท Posted at 17:09:13 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
That looks like Obama in his college years....as he was giving blow jobs to older, gay, white men in exchange for crack cocaine.
Jabberminor ยท 1543 points ยท Posted at 15:16:56 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)*
There was a thread a short while ago that had some similar photos. This is a link to it.
Here are some photos from that thread. I'm adding some good ones to this comment:
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heavyfrog2 ยท 850 points ยท Posted at 16:13:25 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
http://imgur.com/Bh4qCJy
There is nothing supernatural in the King Diamond "DAMNN U" gig photo. Sometimes the digital camera fails to generate the image properly as seen here.
thereischris ยท 145 points ยท Posted at 16:24:09 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
This is a better explanation
Addicted2Weasels ยท 29 points ยท Posted at 18:22:41 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Wouldn't a more likely explanation be that both pictures feature men and women dancing, and since it's immoral for women to dance and photographs steal your soul, both women became so inhuman that their images couldn't even be captured?
kobekramer1 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 18:41:48 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Obviously. But what's the fun in that explanation!?
Fealiks ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 20:12:41 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
It's actually not a good explanation. Rolling shutter/tearing displaces the subject, it can't "remove" the subject and capture whatever was behind it instead (that would require the bending of light). If this were rolling shutter, the woman's upper half would still be in the photo, it just wouldn't align with the rest of her body. Rolling shutter can't allow you to see through opaque objects. In order for this to be an artifact of the shutter, the conditions would have to be such that the woman physically moved from out of frame to the position her legs are in in a fraction of a second.
Just to be clear, I don't think it's "paranormal" or supernatural or anything, I'm just explaining why it's impossible for rolling shutter or tearing to create this effect.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:41:00 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
(Apologies, a lot of this is just my thoughts about the picture and not simply replying to your comment.) People in bands tend to flail around plenty. Judging by the position making it look like she was in a violent flailing motion, her upper torso could easily have been below the shutter line when that segment was rendered, and then flailed upwards again to the position seen in the photo.
Also, to note, it looks like there's very poor lighting and the photo is clearly a rather long exposure-- look at the drummer's head and how distorted it is from motion blur. Judging by the intense shadowing around the legs, there was a lot of motion going on around her, and there's several options that are possible.
One key detail that stands out to me is that the only part of her body that was captured, her legs, was the part directly below the light. Notice that the leg detail is only captured up until the point at which there is a bright lightsource, and then immediately stops.
There's also a camera flash going off from camera right, which could've caused a double-exposure effect. If she moved around during this visibly long exposure, the only detail that would be preserved could easily have been the part unaffected by the bright light source(in the shadow), and then the camera flash at the end just adds so many possibilities for something like this to happen, as the flash could have so many settings, such as high-speed, which fires multiple small pulses and can make weird effects if the camera's a completely different system.
Basically, there's so many complicating factors involved that it's easily just a perfect storm. Rolling shutter + long exposure + another camera's flash firing.
Not to mention the user that took it said they had just quickly borrowed the photographer's camera-- thus adding the element of an amateur and the number of mistakes they could've made.
Fealiks ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:08:05 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
That's an interesting idea about double exposure. I think it would be impossible for a rolling shutter to play a part still though, because she would have had to have been bent in such a way that her entire body was below that shutter line (around her knees) and then stood fully straight up again in a split second.
wickedcold ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:33:50 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
It isn't rolling shutter, it's pretty clearly a result of dragging the shutter (Google it) which is a common technique for low light flash photography at things like concerts that have good lighting for stills but not enough to freeze action.
The giveaway is that the most still/stable part of her, if she happened to be flailing, is the lower part of the boot. You can see how the blur starts to widen at the top of the boot. It's kind of amusing/sad seeing such a big discussion between people who sent convinced it's a demon or something else ridiculous.
cycophuk ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:15:18 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
That photo was posted by King Diamond's wife. I actually discussed what you are talking about to her. She said the woman was moving slowly, creeping up on King. There was no fast movements on her part.
wickedcold ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:22:46 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
She didn't have to be whipping around, just moving through the frame. It's also possible that part of the flash was obstructed due to an obstacle. Notice how the drummer's head does not have the characteristic "blur halo" that you get with shutter dragging?
Which is more likely... That this is a result of flash dragging the shutter, or that there are some nefarious demons playing tricks? It's really a some thing to explain without making assumptions about unknown, unlikely factors.
cycophuk ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:28:47 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I wasn't saying that was the case. I was simply repeating what she said.
thereischris ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:30:26 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
This explanation is putting the camera's processing capabilities at fault vs someone else who blamed the rolling shutter which I basically said the same thing about
Fealiks ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:34:56 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I'm saying that it's nothing to do with the camera's processing capabilities, because what has happened in the image is light that should be obscured has been rendered.
For example, imagine a box with a playing card in it, and your task is to guess the card. Shaking the camera to induce rolling shutter or vertical tearing may produce an image where the box appears split in two, but it could never produce an image where the playing card is revealed, because it's simply obscured. In this analogy, Jodi (the woman) is the box, and the playing card is the wall behind her.
SeaBones ยท 49 points ยท Posted at 17:50:32 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah I saw this an instantly recognize it as a digital sensor error. Sometimes the camera just gets confused and in low light conditions like that photo, there was plenty of shutter time for a mistake like this. The fact that they talked with photographers who couldn't explain this is odd.
JotainPinkki ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 22:51:16 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
It was hugely frustrating reading her replies with all the "sorry, that doesn't convince me" and refusal to consider explanation.
SeaBones ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:36:52 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I didn't even notice that. People want to believe that they have something special when odds are their digital camera malfunctioned. If you've told countless people that you have a mysterious and potentially paranormal photograph it can be hard to give that idea up, I guess. I'm an amateur photographer with an Associates in it and I immediately recognized this. I'm not sure why no one else has told them.
movzx ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 23:58:05 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I have zero expertise with photography and it was pretty clear that "Oh the camera done gone and fucked up"
wildeflowers ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:59:54 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Lots and lots of photographers told her, including myself. There's probably at least 10 people in that thread alone talking about the various ways this image could have been caused. Someone just actually dredged this up and replied to my post in it, actually. I was pretty surprised because that was two months ago. Anyway, her response pretty much every time was, yeah that doesn't convince me. Okay, don't accept the explanation of people with experience and knowledge about what you are questioning, it just must be supernatural, whatever.
I always love these threads because I look at the images and I go, yup, lens flare, hmmm, rolling shutter, heh, doctored. You know I would love to see something that doesn't have a reasonable explanation, but I haven't yet.
SeaBones ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:14:00 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not even sure why anyone's first response to seeing this would be that it's something supernatural. My only guess judging by the look of this band and the singer in the creepy face mask is that they want this to be supernatural really badly and are refusing other explanation in arrogant defense that their metal/creepshow/whatever band has supernatural experiences.
nodammityourewrong ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 18:49:58 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
i wouldn't say odd. more like untrue, or they talked to people who were amateurs or completely inept.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:41:25 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Not really. Many artists actually know very little about the technical ins and outs of the equipment they use, they just know how to use it to get beautiful results.
Thrilling1031 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:50:49 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
That's like a chef not knowing the names of their knives or the difference between a china cap and a chinois. That's just silly what you said.
WhipIash ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:10:58 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
No, that's like chefs not knowing the different kinds of steel in their knives and how they react to different temperatures. Sure, they know which knives cut the best, but at what point does the metal start shattering?
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 02:23:02 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I've known many professional photographers that understand f/stops, shutter speed, lens selection, framing, composition, when to press the shutter, colour, light, etc. but that couldn't tell you anything about how a CMOS is designed or what a Bayer algorithm is. It's not important.
A better analogy would be it's like a chef not knowing what salmon eats. It just doesn't matter.
bassguy129 ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 17:05:38 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Nope. Its definitely the ghost of Jonathan LaFey's cheating wife
Delror ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:25:19 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Oh god Abigail is coming for us, bro.
antiward ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 16:59:28 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
But captures what was behind the person?
FlyingSheeps ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 17:14:07 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
No, what was above. Parts are clearly cut off in the above example photo, and I think the only thing that makes the DammNU photo scary is that the artificial cut off happened to work so that it looks full & legit.
awesomeethan ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:27:57 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
It's not that it's cut well, it's that it is definitly what's behind the 'shadow.'
bigsol81 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:49:22 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
If she moved into or out of frame at the right time, the camera could have sliced off parts of two different "instances" in time. Digital camera can sometimes do this. I've seen photos of "half" cars driving down the road due to this effect, and you can clearly see the background where the car's other half is supposed to be.
Fealiks ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 20:15:23 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
The camera couldn't possibly capture what was behind the subject unless, for that split second, the stage was unobscured by the subject. If this were caused by rolling shutter, then you should be able to use rolling shutter to see through solid objects (which you can't).
I'm a rational person, and I definitely don't think it's anything "supernatural" but it's certainly not rolling shutter or tearing either.
DimeShake ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:32:55 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
It's a rolling shutter effect.
lakerswiz ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 16:59:21 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
dude's apparently never used a camera before.
gtfo with that bs/
Delror ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 17:26:01 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
To be fair to them, King and his wife are huge on horror. All his albums are essentially horror stories. So it's possible (not that I believe one way or the other) that she's just playing up the ghost element to scare people.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:22:01 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Preach on, brother.
KatAttk ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:14:28 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
OP claimed that she was moving very slowly, though, so wouldn't that result be unlikely? Then again, maybe just the top half of her was moving around quickly, and her bottom half wasn't. Definitely still a better explanation.
Gilleland ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 18:18:36 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
"OP"s claim bullshit all the time, the guys over in /r/paranormal are constantly lying about the circumstances around their photos to make them seem more supernatural than they really are. She was probably jumping around and shit and the OP is simply mistaken about her movements.
KatAttk ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:33:20 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
You're probably right. That was my next guess.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:13:41 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Bingo. Even with the major advances in digital image capture, I still get problems like this with my modern professional digial equipment.
z22012 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 17:21:53 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
It's the fact that everything comes out clearly behind where she would be that makes this odd. No distortion that in your example is extremely apparent
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:58:22 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I was thinking somebody fucking around with panorama mode.
SmashingLumpkins ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:12:10 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Let me help you out if the chair, GRANDMA
TheMadmanAndre ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:48:47 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Pretty much this.
Digital cameras do malfunction and fail to generate images properly. This phenomenon is referred to as "tearing" when it seems like two images are stitched together like this.
The "DAMMN U" photograph, like the one the above poster posted, are both 'cut' horizontally; this is because the picture is 'developed' in the camera's processor one row of pixels at a time, from top to bottom. Tearing happens when, for whatever reason, the developing process is interrupted and the camera posts a corrupted or partially undeveloped picture to storage as a complete picture. As a result there's usually a literal line between the completely developed part ofd the picture and the partially developed part.
tl;dr I spend ten minutes writing about digital photography.
Gonzobot ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:56:00 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
If that woman is a ghost, so is my sister in law, and several of her friends. Digital camera fuckup, with included software so you don't notice how often it actually fucks up the image acquisition.
analogWeapon ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:39:27 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
That makes sense, but in the King Diamond photo, there is no horizontal error anywhere but at the actresses leg. I'm not saying that disproves your theory, it's just curious. I work with digital imaging in my work and I've seen plenty of sensor errors just like the one you posted. I think it's the most reasonable explanation for the King Diamond photo, but I still feel like the King Diamond photo is one of the weirder sensor error type images I have ever seen.
nionvox ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:06:17 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I'm a photographer, sometimes my older cards do this. It's what happens when the camera buffer fails to write properly. Sometimes i end up with the digital version of a double exposure. Can be pretty freaky.
rzm25 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:44:58 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
They all have pretty solid explanations, I'm guessing the poster figured he/she would get more karma by collecting the weird posts while leaving out the explanations. Probably right, too.
nodammityourewrong ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:45:41 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I love how in the original thread someone who knows a fair deal about cameras is explaining to her what the possible causes are and why, and she just keeps going "no, no i don't think it was that". she'd already made up in her mind that it had to be supernatural.
non-relevant ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:10:52 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Yep. Was a very infuriating read.
LadyBTC ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:33:56 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I read the thread as well when she posted it, and I can certainly understand her not being satisfied with the answers. Didn't seem like she was agains opinions.
Edit: There's a difference between not being satisfied and stubbornness.
SaikoGekido ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:46:39 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Except there is a clear line across the entire picture in the error example you gave. There isn't one in the King Diamond picture. It could still be an error, but it would have to be from a different method.
ds5384 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:40:07 on December 31, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
HDR Mode.
Fealiks ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:43:28 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
What you're describing is tearing, and it happens because of fast moving subjects. The reason the King Diamond photo can't possibly be tearing is that the top portion of the photo doesn't just contain a misaligned top-half-of-woman, it contains just the background; information which should be obscured by the subject (the woman in question).
Imagine taking a photograph of a brick wall, moving the camera as you did so. Tearing would create an effect where the bricks seem misaligned. It could not possibly create an effect where half of the image shows what is behind the wall.
Basically, in order for the King Diamond picture to be tearing, a coinciding of two instances in time, the woman would have to be completely out of frame in the first instance, and standing on the stage in the second instance.
TheAlleyTramp ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:07:36 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Also, it's CLEARLY the result of an extended exposure. You can see the lines from camera shake on every object in the frame. Whatever photographers "examined" that image didn't know jack shit about what they were talking about.
buttsnuggler ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:22:22 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
or a rolling shutter effect on a moving body
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:04:23 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
The exposure time of the photo was 0.62 seconds, plenty of time for the subject to move out of the frame and produce something bizarre.
WhiteManinthePalais ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:28:08 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
G-g-g-g-g-g-ghost!
GammaGames ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:28:39 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Thats obviously a ghost, boo.
NorthBlizzard ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:45:17 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Explain how the digital camera is able to make up what's behind her then? I doubt the camera has the intelligence to just skip her and move on to the wall behind her.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:38:39 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
BUT LIKE SEVEN PROFESSIONALS SAID IT WAS UNPOSSIBLE
GentlemannOfLeisure ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 02:53:43 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
WOW. SUCH SPOOKEY.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 09:37:20 on December 16, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
NOPE, DAS A GHOST NIGGUH! GTFO!
FredAsta1re ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 20:43:08 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
GHOST COUPLE!!!
THE HORROR
Dzhone ยท 107 points ยท Posted at 16:36:52 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I like how a band member from King Diamond was just casually posting "ghost" images on Reddit. I love the Internet.
westhe ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 16:33:36 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I think people tend to forget that just because something was invented before Photoshop does not mean it was not manipulated. You can do a lot of things in a darkroom.
Irregulator101 ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 17:05:23 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
You can also do a lot of things to old photos once they've been digitized...
Oznog99 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:05:32 on December 16, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Accidental double-exposure and light leakage can do a lot, too. Deliberate double-exposure is pretty trivial.
68024 ยท 898 points ยท Posted at 15:59:54 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
"A photo was taken and never disproved"
The burden of proof works the other way around. It was never proven that it was real.
Stoutyeoman ยท 227 points ยท Posted at 16:17:06 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
You're damn straight it does. That's a photo of some wavy blue lines. It doesn't even begin to prove anything. You can't just say "I saw a thing that may or may not look kind of like some other thing! GHOSTS!"
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OrangeredValkyrie ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:59:26 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
It's reminding me a lot of the face on Mars. It's a hell of a coincidence, but doesn't amount to much else.
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graaahh ยท 24 points ยท Posted at 16:06:58 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Upvote because seriously, goddamn.
howj100 ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 17:31:08 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
How would you go about "proving" that a photo is a real, though? If I just show you a photograph of my family, there is nothing you can do to prove that it is real (AFAIK), and wouldn't that just mean that all photography is useless?
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That is a really good question. There is actually an interesting book about something not too dissimilar - "Believing is Seeing", by Errol Morris.
To begin with, photography is subjective. Whoever makes the photograph chooses what to include and what not to include in a photograph, for example. An enormous amount of context is lost in photographs. A person could choose a camera angle that makes it look like there's a ghost standing in the picture. All that is not proof that there is in fact a ghost there.
So, in order to prove that a phenomenon is real, it would need to be proven beyond reasonable doubt that it is. One photograph of something that happened to look like 2 faces is by no means proof that those faces were really there as entities separate from whatever lighting circumstances may have existed in the water- never mind that they had anything to do with 2 people that drowned.
A photograph of your family is by no means proof that they are your family, just because you say they are your family. For all I know you could've grabbed a bunch of random people off the street and taken a photo with them.
--edit: got the title of the book the wrong way around.
mrwelchman ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:36:58 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
there's no evidence that aliens were not at the first thanksgiving
daybreakx ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:34:09 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
No! You give me evidence on why it isn't real!
stinkyfingur ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 16:14:32 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Pictures like this can never be proven real. Hoax or not, the picture itself is the "proof".
68024 ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 16:30:45 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
One data point does not constitute proof...
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Darzin ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:11:18 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I don't need to provide a counter example for asinine remarks, because they are asinine. No species suddenly morphs into a new species, it occurs over a period of time with transitional traits between species. And yes, we have tons of such examples.
http://news.discovery.com/human/evolution/human-ancestor-australopithecus-sediba.htm but hey... lets ignore that. Lets use an example that is occurring in the real world that has been observed over the last 30 years. http://news.sciencemag.org/plants-animals/2013/03/evolution-roadkill Cliff Swallows with the help of natural selection caused by pressure put on them by motorists have begun to develop shorter wingspans. This is consistent with the model of evolution.
Do you really want to keep talking?
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Darzin ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:03:45 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Do you understand how evolution works at all? No? You don't? First, I gave you two examples. Second, natural selection is the key factor to evolution. They are (essentially) one in the same, which may be why you are super confused about what evolution is and isn't. Evolution is not some magic wand where poof a rock is now a person. Evolution is the timeline that occurs throughout species due to natural selection. Species typically have certain traits, when those traits prove to benefit them over another trait possessed by another being of their species they pass on said trait. Evolution occurs exactly this way. So again, please stop fucking talking.
So that you will finally stop talking: http://www.actionbioscience.org/evolution/futuyma.html please read it before you say another word.
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Darzin ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:34:53 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
It is documented. I am not sure how this is hard to grasp. Species don't suddenly vanish when another offshoot occurs. We have plenty of documented cases of transitional periods between which species have evolved why exactly is this hard to understand. Proof is not an immediate picture it is the ability to be repeated over and over. We can take the genetic material of homo sapiens and other primates and find a common ancestor. It isn't some guess we make about it. There are other occurrences of natural selection as well.
Evolution is not just a physical change that leads to a different species and natural selection often plays the largest role in it. What you are asking for can be seen at a microlevel because we can't possibly see the macrolevel since we haven't been recording data that long. What we can do is test genetics, find transitional fossils, and look for common ancestors. We can do this over and over again until we have a pretty damn good picture of how evolution works. It isn't conjecture. It is an accepted theory in science because it is backed by that much evidence.
A photo of a blur is not evidence if you can't repeat it, it just proves user error or some other event occurred to cause it.
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I don't think you understand how evolution works. Or actually, I think you know and you're being intentionally stupid. But I'll spell it out anyway. With animals, species do not just magically appear. The offspring is never a separate species from it's parent. But a gradual change means that an offspring can be a different species from it's great, great, great, great, great grandparent and that is well documented.
However, since you think you are being cunning and demanding proof that you think is not there, look up polyploidy in plants. Obviously this cannot happen in animals, but it's entirely possible for a plant offspring to have double, triple, quadruple etc number of genomes as it's parent. It is incapable of breeding back with the parent. It is a genetically new species. Wheat, for example, is a hexaploid, and there are plenty of examples in the Brassacaie too.
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I studied evolution at a postgraduate level. I've read a fair few papers and books on evolution. Evidently, a lot more than you. I think you really should 'do the work for me' because then you might actually understand.
And no, the basic premise of evolution is not that something starts to be different. It is that things are always changing. Evolution is not the same as speciation but speciation can be a byproduct of evolution.
And you just totally ignored my example that a polyploid plant offspring is a totally different species to its parents.
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guepier ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 17:41:31 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Sure. A photo, in itself, is a piece of evidence. But extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. A blurry photo isnโt extraordinary evidence.
Narthorn ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 17:02:20 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
One blurry photo isn't enough.
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xxzudge ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:43:45 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Seriously. I think some people just get a rush from pretending these things are real without evidence.
missdanielleloves ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:38:47 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I agree with you, it doesn't prove anything, but it raises skepticism, which is powerful enough.
PrettyWhenBound ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:42:31 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Right on the burden on proof, but with so many people/organizations dedicated to "debunking" these sorts of unexplained photos and phenomonon, I think the fact that a popular item has not yet been debunked is a legitimate statement. Yet, I have no clue how popular any of this actually is within the community of debunkers, just saying.
Yeti_Urine ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:22:42 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Tell that to EVERY religion.
ugotpauld ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 16:27:09 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
The photo IS the proof.
Not saying its real but you are wrong to say that about this
68024 ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 16:31:16 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
One data point does not constitute proof of any kind.
zimm3r16 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:41:58 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
It does constitute some proof. It is some information so you can't dismiss it outright without other explanations of its origin.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 17:15:41 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)*
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zimm3r16 ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 17:24:48 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Sure but then you have zero standing if you just dismiss things without reason without thought.
Darzin ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:30:57 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
That is clearly how proof works.
zimm3r16 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:46:40 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not sure what you mean. Some point of data is some evidence an event occurred. A photo would be a point of data therefore it would be some evidence an event occurred therefore it would be some proof. To dismiss it outright for no reason is simply engaging in bias thinking.
Darzin ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:54:54 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
False, it is evidence that an event took place. The event though is what needs to be testable. This isn't hard to understand. You can create all sorts of evidence for all sorts of things, but if you can't repeat the steps that created said evidence using the same procedures as the first time then the evidence cannot be used to prove your hypothesis.
zimm3r16 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:57:23 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
So then you must reject everything necessarily. Your re-testable event... thats actually just new evidence we can't say it is the same as the other evidence. You are simply wishing to deny that evidence contributes to proof of things because of biases.
Darzin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:08:02 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I do reject everything that cannot be proven.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:42:51 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I agree with you.
This is why I refuse to listen to anything a scientist says until someone solves the problem of induction.
Plah! Gravity. Show me a proof that it exists and I'll believe in it.
Darzin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:20:26 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
We can show you proof of gravity -- you can ignore it all you want.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:21:33 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)*
Please show me the proof.
I see plenty of evidence, but I don't see any proof.
Edit: I do in fact believe in gravity, I was simply being facetious. The fact remains that no amount of evidence can definitively 'prove' the existence of gravity. And if you reject anything that cannot be proved, then you must reject many scientific statements.
Darzin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:30:48 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
There is plenty of proof for gravity, that is why it is a law and not theory. What you are doing is attempting to debate whether we can know anything for sure, which is a philosophical debate and not worthy of mentioning for any reason. It is the cheapest from pseudo-intellectualism you can find. Can I prove gravity, yes. F = Gm1m2/r squared and in fact using Einstein's model it has proven correct over and over again.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:55:21 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)*
Debating what can and cannot be proved seems quite reasonable when a person refuses to believe anything that cannot be proven. After all, how else do you know what to believe?
Besides, I'm not saying that science doesn't give us practical and valid knowledge about the universe. It certainly does. I'm saying that, by its very nature, it doesn't give us irrefutable proof.
edit: Also I'm not entirely certain that you're using the word 'theory' correctly. A theory is a strongly evidenced body of knowledge. It's no sign of disrespect to call something a theory. Like Einstein's theory of general relativity.
Darzin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:05:27 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I know exactly what a theory is and what a law is. Newton's Law of of Universal Gravitation is a LAW not a theory. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newton's_law_of_universal_gravitation
There is no debate in the scientific community about gravity.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:13:45 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Newton's law of universal gravitation breaks down at high gravitational potentials or when the two bodies are moving at high velocities. It's been completely superceded by general relativity.
If you wanted an example of something that's been proved to be absolutely true, you could have picked a better one.
Darzin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:18:28 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
You picked gravity, and it is still a law.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:21:03 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
But what does it matter if it's a law?
That doesn't mean that it's true. It simply means that it was consistent with all of the available evidence when Newton came up with it.
Today Newton's law of universal gravitation has been rejected in the face of new evidence. It was never 'proven' true.
At best, its status as a law means that it's only applicable to certain cases. The theory of relativity has more explanatory power.
Darzin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:23:53 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
It hasn't been rejected. It still is the best LAW for gravity when we are dealing with bodies of certain sizes. The theory of relativity is only used when you are dealing with exceptionally large bodies and distances, or when you need high precision.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:27:18 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Okay, perhaps 'rejected' was a poor choice of words, it still has its practical uses, even if gravitation is better explained by relativity. But once again, what does it matter that it's a law?
If it was proven true it would be a theorem not a law, wouldn't it?
Darzin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:29:05 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
The point is that you said I didn't understand what a theory was, when I understand full well what a theory is and what a law is. That is the entire point. Are you high?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:33:34 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Okay I'll accept that you understand what a theory and a law is. Sorry for insinuating that you didn't. That was rash of me.
So, are we in agreement that laws are not proven statements?
Darzin ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:39:21 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I understand what you are trying to do, so I am going to stop you before you even attempt it. There is a large difference between a scientific law or theory and what is occurring in these pictures. You and I both know that, so don't attempt to bring back your pseudo-intellectual nonsense into this. This isn't a debate about how we can believe something that can't be proven. Theories and laws are theories and laws because they have been tested over and over again and can be used to explain occurrences in the universe. A photo of something cannot be proven on the same level as a theory or a law unless you can repeat it over and over. There has never been a case where a paranormal event has ever been repeated under scientific observation. So don't attempt to compare one to the other unless you are really trying to be disingenuous about it.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:25:05 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Sorry. I really have to apologise. I don't even care about the photo. I was just trying to make the stupid, pedantic point that "Proof is for mathematics and alcohol".
Sorry for drawing you into this pointless, self-indulgent discussion. And I feel really guilty for talking down to you. I hope you're not too bothered.
I'm a horrible person. Sorry.
ugotpauld ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:55:58 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Neither does 1000
Yeah_Okay_Sure ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 16:37:22 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Just my opinion, but the proof is the photo. Then it needs to be disproven. Kind of depends on personal opinion, just my two cents.
68024 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:39:24 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
That not a very rigorous scientific approach...
TheVegetaMonologues ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 16:56:25 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
We're in a thread with the word paranormal in the title. If we're gonna do this thing, let's unclench our assholes a bit and do it. There'll be time for fedora-tipping later.
Yeah_Okay_Sure ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:49:22 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
This is my (probably simplistic but whatever) approach.
Say I see a movie and see a CGI scene. I know it is a computer and what not doing so because I've seen documentaries and behind the scenes things and so on. Thus, it has been proven as false and no one argues otherwise.
For the opposite, let's say I claim to meet Bill Nye. If I show the picture to you, you say "cool, you met Bill Nye" or something to that effect. Unless someone showed you a breakdown of the photo proving it to be photoshopped, you would just have my word and the picture, and I feel most people would believe it at face value.
That's how I feel about this. It's nothing earth shattering, just a picture of "faces" in the water. I believe those pictures to be real, for I have no reason to believe they are not. If someone showed me proof it was photoshopped or staged, I'd change my mind. I don't approach everything with a rigid scientific method in mind.
Again, like I said though, it's more a personal thing and that was just my two cents.
Bethistopheles ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:33:03 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
No. The photo is one piece of evidence. You wouldn't win a trial using one unverifiable photo--why do the same for anything else?
Yeah_Okay_Sure ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:57:28 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Because I'm not in a trial. It's just not how I live my life. Sorry. Not trying to be rude, naive, or annoying. Just my belief.
But, for the third time, just my opinion. I'm not collecting evidence or building a case. I'm not letting one photo change my life. Thus, until it is disproven, I take it at face value and move on.
Gustavomb ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:53:38 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
How bout no?
Afterburned ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:00:48 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I believe his point is that the photo is submitted as evidence and that piece of evidence was never debunked. Which is a very valid point. You can never "prove" a photo is real. You can always just say it was manipulated in a way unknown.
It's the job of the person making the claim to prove their claim, but once they submit evidence like this they don't have to prove that the evidence is real. How could you possible prove that a photo is real?
Again, that doesn't mean the story is true or that the photo is depicting what is claimed. You would need additional correlating evidence for that.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:19:59 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
But how could you prove something like that is real? I mean... the only thing you really can say is "Well... I can't explain how the fuck that happened" Which gives it more of a chance to be real.
I'm not saying it is or anything. But the big thing is with super natural shit is that we really can't prove ANY of it. It could actually be happening all around us or it could be all in our heads but there is no way, as of right now, to prove any of it.
So when you find something that says "It hasn't been proven untrue" I think it does mean something and that's interesting.
68024 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:22:13 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
That is just completely crooked thinking. Hell, I can't explain so many things. That doesn't have any bearing on its "chance to be real".
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:26:48 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
More of a chance meaning it's more of a chance than when it's proven wrong.
It might not be much to some... but to some who would want to believe... that's something.
And even if it isn't anything super natural. In the example of the waves... what caused that? Why were the waves taking a constant shape? There must be SOME explanation. But nobody knows what it is. That's interesting.
Minia15 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:53:53 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
But aren't the pictures the proof...so unless the pictures are proven as false...why wouldnt we take them as true
razdrazchelloveck ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:03:08 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not sure what's stupider. People who believe in the supernatural, or people like you that try to prove them wrong.
68024 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:09:05 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
What does that make you?
razdrazchelloveck ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:15:19 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Someone who doesn't feel the need to prove everyone else wrong on everything.
68024 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:16:18 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Funny, I could swear you were just trying to prove me wrong on something.
razdrazchelloveck ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:18:19 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
The statement I made was an observation.
MyOtherNameWasBetter ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 17:06:28 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
What do you mean? They proved it was real because there is a picture there. How else would you prove it besides not being disproved with every test?
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 17:25:28 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
What you're saying may sound smart, but its literally 100% incorrect. If you're going to make the claim that the photo isn't real, the onus of proof lies with you, not the defense.
saintgio3 ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 18:52:43 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
The statement is still correct, though.
Diabetesh ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 16:10:00 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
The uncle one is weird
outfoxthefox ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 16:37:35 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
The one with the girl on stage is a pretty well known error that I think is more common in DSLR's. Something about the mirror rolling midshot, it's basically a camera's TIFU. I'm sure tere are scores of people who can explain it in /r/photography. Pictures with similar effects get posted on reddit with some frequency, and someone always pops in to explain it. The idea that photographers claim it's impossible is laughable. Every photographer knows, occasionally you get freak shots and bizarre crap, any pro photographer wouldn't say a photo is 'impossible'.
And the structure at the bottom of the sea was identified.
Fealiks ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 19:47:08 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Here's my explanation of why that can't be the case: http://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/1sv39b/serious_what_in_your_opinion_is_the_most/ce1pnsi
Basically, the top half of the subject would have to go somewhere. There is no possible way for the background to be fully unobscured the way it is in that photograph.
acog ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 16:03:41 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Regarding the "half person" photo at the concert, that's sure seems to be a digital camera rolling shutter artifact.
torn-ainbow ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 16:28:52 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
or, the camera has a long exposure and she is moving around a lot from the waist up. The reason the right leg appears to be cut off sharply is because of the overpowering effect of the light behind. The leg wasn't there for the whole exposure.
thereischris ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:23:03 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
But those artifacts are from pretty fast movements either by the subject or camera, which in this scenario, i don't think either is the case.
Fealiks ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:45:07 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
It can't be. Where did the camera get the information for the background, which should have been obscured by the subject? http://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/1sv39b/serious_what_in_your_opinion_is_the_most/ce1pnsi
acog ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:02:02 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Jodi was moving, not stationary.
Fealiks ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:05:14 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I understand that, but the way tearing/rolling shutter works is that part of the subject gets displaced - moved either to the left, right, up or down - due to movement. There is absolutely no way for the camera to pick up what was behind the subject, which is what this image shows. If it was tearing, you would still see the top of Jodi, she just wouldn't align properly with her legs.
likeagirlwithflowers ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:46:43 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Although the last photo was taken in 1919 it could still have been manipulated in the dark room. This would have been as simple as taking an older negative and exposing his face a shorter amount of time to make it appear hazy while covering the rest of the photograph so it would not overexpose. There has always been photo manipulation.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:41:36 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Most of these can be explained by the use of a slow shutter speed on the cameras.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:26:44 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
As it was the case with the King Diamond photo, the dancing woman kept her left leg mostly in one spot but the rest of her body was more or less moving fast thus you can only see faint blurs of this, I've done the same thing with my camera with slow shutter speed, put a light source behind you, move your body fast but keep one body part mostly still it almost looks like that one body part is reaching out from a dark transparent figure.
humanitywasabadidea ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 15:45:38 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
The second last one screams PHOTOSHOP to me, honestly, it would be really easy to do that.
TheFluxIsThis ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 15:57:23 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Hell, you don't even really need photoshop. That kind of effect happens all the time to eyes captured by night-vision-y cameras. All you really need is a child.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:03:59 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Spooklight! I live near Joplin and several years ago my friends and I went on an "adventure" to see it. We didn't, but there were other people out looking for it also and this was some random weeknight in the middle of summer, so I know it's out there.
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 16:08:39 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
It has been proven (for a while now) that the Spook Light was nothing more that car headlights on that stretch of Highway 66 in Oklahoma about 10 miles away.
JMCSD ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 17:59:07 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Really? I live in Joplin and after going a few times in the past, I did once see a light (which surprised me, I was dragged there and bored) it definitely was not headlights. Reason being we were parked at the top of a hill, facing a dip in the road so there was another hill behind the spooklight.
markomed ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:10:25 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I agree, it is definitely not headlights. I have seen it before and it does not look or move like car headlights. I'm not saying it is supernatural, but wherever he is getting his info that it has been proven to be headlights is inaccurate.
I think the best guess so far is some form of atmospheric gas reaction.
[deleted] ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 18:11:20 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
What's more reasonable? Headlights, a reflection, or demonic ghost light?
I mean,this one is so popular and when myths get popular, people usually take interest in debunking them, and the consensus is that they are headlights from Highway 66.
JMCSD ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 18:15:52 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to make any claims of what they are, just didn't realize, "It has been proven (for a while now) that the Spook Light was nothing more that car headlights...". Hadn't seen any articles or whatnot.
With that said, I wondered if you had ever been? Most people only have heard of it because of being locals. When I went, I know what I saw wasn't headlights. Not saying it was supernatural, just wasn't a headlight. Could have been a kid with a flashlight for all I know.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:19:19 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
No I've never been there unfortunately, I just know about it because it's so popular.
Von_Miller ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 15:58:21 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
The S.S. Watertown photo has always been one of my favorites along with the photo the Warrens caught at Amityville (Holy shit is that one scary, but it's always hard to trust the Warrens). Very creepy photos though
Stoutyeoman ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 16:28:11 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Cleary there was, because there's a photograph of one. Only a truly diluted person could swear that a picture of nothing is a ghost, but a picture of a child is also a ghost. Anyone can take a picture of a child and later claim the child wasn't there when they shot the photograph. On that note, it's pretty well documented that the Amityville Horror story was a hoax.
There is literally nothing discernible in that picture. You can show anyone a blurry, wavy image and ask them to prove to you that it's not a photo of an elephant, but that's a sham. That is a photo of nothing. The burden of proof is on the person making the ridiculous claim, otherwise I could pay my rent with playing cards and tell the landlord to "prove it isn't money."
mojowo11 ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 17:00:59 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
So...a ghost?
Accronym ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:44:47 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Been to the Joplin Spooklight a few times. Never seen anything.
Squorn ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:49:53 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Regarding the Baltic Sea Anomaly, keep in mind that during the last Ice Age, the Baltic seafloor was almost completely above sea level, and a lot of hunter-gatherer people lived there, at least on a seasonal basis. Admittedly, that would be an extraordinarily early date for a megalithic structure, but it seems like the best explanation to me.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:52:42 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
There's a "spooklight" near my family farm in Canada! I doubt it has ever been reported because it's such an unpopulated area, but I've seen it myself driving at night. It's creepy but has to be some kind of reflection of sorts. :)
rachel_profiling ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:09:59 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
There's one a bit outside of Ottawa as well, Buck Hill.
Gustavomb ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:53:15 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Dedication to the supernatural
butyourenice ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:59:47 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I was watching I think it's called "fact or faked," where this group of people fly around the world and try to disprove or find natural explanations for supposed supernatural phenomena. Normally they are able to come up with convincing explanations and they even get fakers to confess sometimes. But I think it was the Joplin light that they couldn't figure out. It's easy enough to replicate insofar as if you stand at a certain point that light is always there, but they couldn't explain it. They had one team from the sight point and another exploring where the light seemed to be originating and nothing. If it's the same place in thinking of, there's a small airport near what seems to be the origin of the light, and they tried flying small planes in to see if that was the source of the light, but nope.
I'm sure there is a logical explanation but maybe it's something unexpected, like light reflecting off a surface or multiple surfaces far away and that point is some sort of apex. It's really fascinating, even if it does end up having some mundane explanation!
butyourenice ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:04:09 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
The "damn u" photo seems like a perfect example of a slow rolling shutter and nothing more, though.
ScottThePoolBoy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:08:31 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I dont know if it's a perfect fit for the thread but it's weird. http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dyatlov_Pass_incident
materialcloth ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:11:23 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
That video you posted was really entertaining, I hadn't seen a lot of those pictures before. The last picture from the moon landing gave me chills! Does anyone have more information on that picture? ..............Also time traveler "cell phone" pictures crack me up, do people not know how cell phones work? If you went back in time with your cell phone it would be useless as the satellites and communication towers needed wouldn't be there.
Delror ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:23:58 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
King Diamond! Yeahhh!
Derpdiherp ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:26:58 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
It's not just the kid that's freaky about the Amityville photo. http://i.imgur.com/JJ0xAdl.jpg - I highlighted it. http://i.imgur.com/8mitR7b.jpg - Compare to the original.
Jabberminor ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:31:20 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
That could just be a poster behind the kid.
Derpdiherp ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:49:48 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Perhaps, I personally don't believe in the paranormal, but I saw it and hey it looks freaky. There's a billion and one rational explanations for everything, sometimes the truth is just as bizarre as the paranormal. In this case though it's my brain connecting dots to make a shape, we're programmed that way.
genericusername26 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:29:42 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
That Amityville one freaked me the fuck out.
alexr09 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:33:04 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Easy, the Millennium Falcon crash landed in the Baltic Sea.
TheWhiteeKnight ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:34:48 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
They still had photo-editing abilities in the early 1900's, why do you think Photoshop is called Photoshop? Because it uses all the tools a real photoshop would have used back in the day, just digitally. I've seen posts of edited pictures from the early 1900's on Reddit before, from touching up blemishes on faces, to completely changing a picture into something you'd expect to find on /r/photoshopbattles.
CookieDoughCooter ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:49:00 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
The one of the body falling into the photo with the family was essentially proved fake in a similar askhistorians thread a month or two ago.
TRK27 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:59:54 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I love how the poster seems to think it was impossible to manipulate photographs before the advent of photoshop. Spirit Photography, employing double exposures to create ghostly images, has a long history and was especially popular after WWI.
torn_paper_heart ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:01:01 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Great collection here! But here are my thoughts on them:
The King Diamond one is easily explained by a longish exposure, her moving, wearing black, and having bright stuff behind her. Looks bizarre, but I could remake this image easily with no photoshop at all.
The 1919 Soldier could be one of a few photographic glitches, it's just so hard to prove anything about an old photo. But it could easily just be a slight exposure error giving part of the plate a brief exposure of the guy standing there but with his head turned at a different moment. The "ghost" looks a lot like the guy blocking him, so I'm almost sold that is what it is. I've done many group photos, and of course the photographer doesn't remember him there - one, he probably wasn't, but two, you can't keep track of all them people when trying to make a group photo. Jesus could have popped up in the middle of the photo and the photographer probably wouldn't notice - just too many things to pay attention to at once.
The "Cooper's new Texas home" photo is really interesting to me, but that photo has been floating around the internet for a while and no one has ever figured out where it came from. The story is one that seems to have been added to it as a creepypasta thing.
I think the Grand Canyon photo is just a case of someone walking up slowly, realizing that someone was making a photo and then moving out of the scene (too late). That photo was taken from fairly far away with a long lens, so there is actually quite a bit of space there for someone to come and go. And there is always people at the GC, winter or no.
I like the Warren's photo of the Amityville house a lot, because I love that story. But the Warrens were notoriously bad at quality control, and having a lot of things turn out the way they "expected". They do really bad science, like most paranormal investigators.
The Watertown photo could easily be pareidolia, I wish there were more photos to show that it wasn't.
Spooklights are really interesting. I want to go see one, but there aren't any in my area. A lot have complex natural explanations (a few have simple ones), but some are damn mysterious! Those are my favorite kind of unexplained phenomena - ones that happen more than once, so at least we can really prove that they at least do exist and aren't someone's one-time trick of the eye.
I desperately want to see or experience something paranormal, but I've yet to find something that withstands scrutiny, or as most 'proof' goes - is blurry and/or could have mundane explanations, but there is no way to know because of time and lack of documentation.
aWizardsStaff ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:01:26 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Photo manipulation has been around since photography was invented.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:47:24 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I think the spooklight is the light on someones barn, just inside Missouri. The reason it can't be accessed is because it's just inside the Missouri border and the road ends in a T formation.
Key words from the article: "The orb floats and weaves between the sides of the road & travels from east."
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:07:48 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Let's be clear, the URL became "DammNU," not "Damn U." If we're going to speculate that supernatural or demonic forces exist and are trying to communicate with us via unusual photo distortions and generated URLs, I think the natural assumption would be that they could spell the words they were trying to spell. If you're willing to accept typos and slang, then thousands or perhaps millions of randomly generated strings of letters have a potentially ominous meaning.
Yeah_I_Said_It_Buddy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:28:14 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Classic Jackson...
ScaryDesigns ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:33:46 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
The spooklight was investigated and it turns out that the light is cars on a highway parallel to the top of the hill, and the temperature inversion causes the light to reflect. This was tested by driving a particular vehicle on the highway and blinking the high beams. This one is more of a novelty scenario than a ghost thing.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:47:34 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I love me some King Diamond.
Fealiks ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:51:02 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
The grand canyon one is such bullshit. The guy in the bush is being lit from the right, and the uncle is being lit from the left. The guy is also completely the wrong size (imagine where his feet must be, and what plane he would have to be on).
creatio_exnihilo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:53:42 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
As a photographer I'm sorry to let you know that the concert photo is just an effect of digital cameras. Literally happens all the time. I would be concerned about the people who claim to be "photo professionals" not being able to explain it. I can think of a dozen ways to produce that image. Especially when you consider that all the perspective lines behind the removed figure are warped. When i got my BFA we learned about this in the first few weeks working with SLR's. We then also learned how to force it.
Chili_Maggot ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:56:19 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Oooh. Neat.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:00:14 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I like how you casually mentioned that King fucking Diamond is your husband. Please tell him I said hi. You guys are great.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:01:17 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
What's with the guy at the Grand Canyon?
tofukitties ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:02:57 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Am I the only one who thinks the man in the bushes at the Grand Canyon looks like Darth Sidious or have I been marathoning too much Star Wars?
TheDroopy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:14:38 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
The Puppet Master is one of my favorite albums ever made. You were awesome on it
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:31:00 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Awesome list! But 'never disproven', that's not how burden of proof works.
Also, I should point out that "There were no children in the house." is just nonsense. Clearly, there was a child in the house and it was captured by the photograph. I'm not offering a solution to why or how the child entered the house, but I don't think you can dispute whether or not there was in fact a child in the house.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:38:27 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
my name is mud
Shane_the_P ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:06:57 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I love in the video the picture of the man in the Chaplin video "talking on a cell phone as proof of time travelers." If someone time traveled to the early 20th century and brought a cell phone, it still wouldn't work. They couldn't actually be talking on it. It's just so ridiculous.
melanie086 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:23:08 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
In the last one, where is the guy singled out in the circle in the actual photo? I searched really hard and none of them seem to be him
beepborpimajorp ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:43:45 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
There's a joke comment about the sailors not untying the bodies when they buried them on the original Watertown comment that actually probably does explain the photo.
masterk00sh ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:14:56 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
You provide a lot of good info here, a lot of really creepy stuff. But lets be honest, nothing is more creepy than Ghosts of the Ozarks
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:20:22 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
In Michigan we have something similar called the Paulding Light.
Gugulio ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:23:10 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
The Giant Macaulay Culkin in a hoody picture gives me the creeps.
crisis_cakes ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:58:33 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
my name is mud
Humlesnurr ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:05:02 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
It looks like the Millennium Falcon.
zach84 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:25:44 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
There were still special effects and modifications that could be done back then.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:41:25 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Hello fellow Joplinite!
jas7fc ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:43:48 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)*
I'm from joplin. I saw the spook light once when I went out there with a friend. It was always far away, and it would appear on the horizon where the street dipped down. It would also change colors. At first I swore it was just a porch light or something, but everytime we drove down to the end the street there were never any lights anywhere. It was strange, but I'm sure there's a lot of different explanations. I've also heard stories of it coming up to people's cars. One of my teachers in middle school told me she went out there when she was younger and she said it circled the car, then disappeared and seemed to spread out, she said everything became illuminated as if it was daytime or something. I can only really speak for what I saw though.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:02:12 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I went to a college close to the spook light. We had some weird parties out there.
Nayr_Toccs ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:14:39 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
For the one about the soldiers from 1919, just because there wasn't Photoshop back then doesn't mean that someone couldn't edit it in any way. People could also edit photos back then.
sweetcrosstatbro ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:19:02 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Also near the joplin spooklight area there is a place called Hoffman's mansion. I've seen some really crazy stuff there. Full body apparitions, disembodied voices floating visible lights. I'm not sure what any of it was but it's pretty cool to think about.
Montezum ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:53:48 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Lol, i remember being all crazy about the baltic sea anomaly and then the OCEAN X team or whatever said they would not release more info cause they been contacted to make a documentary. Got so pissed, i totally forgot about it
emohipster ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:06:22 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Let's take a photo of the family, and put them completely off-center so that this wall with nothing special can be in the pic too! Oh whaddayaknow! A dead dude appeared there! Wow I'm lucky I suck so hard at centering shots!
tl;dr fake, a normal family pic would have them centered
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:35:17 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
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g0tistt0t ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:12:20 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
He was quoting an article.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:11:05 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
There is another light in the Upper Penninsula known as the Paulding light that I've seen a dozen times and is completely unexplainable. Supposedly he's the ghost of a railroad worker. Well you can read the story if you like.
http://www.pauldinglight.com/
rlbond86 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:34:52 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
It's so unexplainable, it has its own explanation on Wikipedia!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paulding_Light
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:09:41 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)*
You can see tail lights when you go there. Admittedly so. But, there are reports of the light prior to 41 getting diverted. Not to mention there are inexplicable movements in the light. It will move so close to you that you can seemingly touch it. It will waver back and forth, go up and down, get so bright you need to look away, and it will fade in and out. Not to mention it turns green from time to time. This explanation that is on Wikipedia is a study from some 20 year old kids from Michigan Tech doing an assignment. I was basically a scientist when I was in college.
This light was also on fact or faked. These guys shut Highway 41 down (where these kids from Michigan say they debunked the light) and the light continued to appear. They then drove back and forth down the road with all different color lights trying to replicate and could not. Meanwhile, the light continued to appear.
guninmouth ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:55:19 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Did I hear that correctly? Your husband is King Diamond? If so, that's awesome. He's a legend. On behalf of /r/metal, \m/
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:48:13 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Grandmaaaaaaaaaa!!!!
King Diamond is awesome
Yoshistrider ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 22:19:23 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
It does appear to be a crashed (alien?) space ship. Seriously. The Swedish Military is now involved with the crew that discovered it and they're now investigating it. New pictures revealed that it looked like an under water wreckage, complete with long skid marks across the ocean floor.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=apHSgzB9uO0&list=PLMwE_2jTOTraFdoyIuD_PbHJRJky7Ypor&index=4
This information was released in a documentary that they just released literally 3 days ago it came out. This is new news.
Heres the documentary http://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/1si8f4/this_is_the_official_documentary_of_the_first/
Now, that link is broken. The video was deleted. I'm pretty pissed because now I look like a fruit. If anyone has a mirror it would be great if they could share it.
Normally I'd delete this comment because i'm simply saying that it was a crashed ship and i'm providing no source, therefore understandably what i'm saying has no merit but I will leave it here incase someone finds a mirror for the video.
They showed pictures of a 3D scan of the Ocean floor, I linked this right at the top (The video in question was shown in the full documentary) (This scan was done on their second trip) and it showed that there was actually a second object, circular shaped that appeared to have a long scrape along the ocean floor and is sitting there.
At the end of the documentary, they showed the OceanX Team (The people who first discovered it and raised the funds what have you) speaking with Military officials (Swedish to be specific) and showing what appeared to be a military official some of the pictures they had shown in the documentary on a bug, projector like screen.
Anyone who has seen the video can vouch for what I saw. Sorry I can't provide the full video.
Mactonite ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 15:55:05 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Hold the phone a second... You're in King diamond?
64_hit_combo ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:01:05 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
This commenter is posting top comments from another thread. So no, he isn't.
MyUsernameIs20Digits ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:57:44 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Von_Miller ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 15:57:15 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
You're from Joplin? We live pretty close to each other then!
aRandomNameHere ยท 646 points ยท Posted at 15:40:56 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)*
https://vimeo.com/62642949
It's not a photo but this happened to my dad earlier this year, watch for the picture frame on the bookshelf.
Edit: this got far more responses than I was expecting, it was filmed sometime around Feb this year. A second video was taken 2 months ago when returning home from an evening out. http://vimeo.com/81927666
I'm not cancelling out central heating on that one but it's got a hell of a sway to it.
The original thread is here: http://www.reddit.com/r/Paranormal/comments/1b0k5d/i_aint_afraid_of_no_ghost/
I'll try to keep it updated with everything better than I have been
Eivis ยท 84 points ยท Posted at 16:50:54 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Well in this thread, believing that it is not faked, this is the most clear evidence of something weird going on. Also, may I ask why did your father filmed it while turned his back away?
aRandomNameHere ยท 128 points ยท Posted at 17:23:57 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
He was actually attempting for audio, they moved into their house a couple of years ago and has had experiences with voices speaking to him while he's been renovating. The voice at that point said "I can't find him" which is why he asked "who are you looking for?"
There's been other instances around that bookshelf, namely all of the DVDs being moved and placed on the floor. So now they believe the spirit isn't looking for someone, but something
[deleted] ยท 118 points ยท Posted at 17:33:25 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
My goal would be to see what is behind that bookshelf.
aRandomNameHere ยท 95 points ยท Posted at 17:36:49 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I told them to find old floor plans of the house and death records from it. It's around 300 years old I believe so there's certainly history in it.
[deleted] ยท 33 points ยท Posted at 21:15:00 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 01:31:29 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
My friend's house, in America, is 300 years old. It's on a street with a bunch of other ones.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:56:52 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 02:01:53 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
More specifically New England
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 02:02:29 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
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LoneRanger9 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:20:05 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
NEW England, not England.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:51:35 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
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LoneRanger9 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:55:18 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I dont know what you're talking about
[deleted] ยท 34 points ยท Posted at 17:49:18 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I bet, considering that the ghost is apparently searching for someone or something.
chrismikehunt ยท 118 points ยท Posted at 20:13:41 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I can sympathise with it too. Sometimes I have real trouble finding which DVD to watch.
ForteShadesOfJay ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 00:11:27 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I was going to say when I was a kid I blamed the dvds on the floor on ghosts as well.
Shappie ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:57:16 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
"Symmetrical DVD stacking. Just like the Philadelphia mass turbulence of 1947."
"You're right, no human being would stack DVDs like this."
ExParrot1337 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:17:31 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I think you mean WITCH DVD to watch.... Amiriiiight?
Daroo425 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:49:50 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
he put his sex tape in the Mac and Me DVD case but someone took it
Man_of_Many_Voices ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:15:21 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Nah, it's all very simple you see. The ghost isn't happy with Blu-ray, so he knocks down all the movies to send a message.
MadMan920 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:15:37 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Dude, Netflix.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:59:00 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
"goddamit, 56 games and not a single one I want to play"
-ghost
[deleted] ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 18:16:00 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Or, and I know this is a crazy idea, maybe they have mice.
NorthBlizzard ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 20:01:26 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Yes because mice can push and pull books onto a bookshelf much heavier than them in a humanize fashion. Also lets not forget how mice can speak to us when they can't find something.
shelleythefox ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 22:18:35 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Cinderelly, Cinderelly!
Porfinlohice ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 22:49:47 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Lol look at this guy, mice don't talk to him!
Ricketycrick ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 21:33:12 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah lol, what an idiot that guy is for thinking it could be mice, it is obvious it's a fucking ghost, that's not absurd at all.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:52:11 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
nah, but discrediting any supernatural event with some dumb ass reason and then acting like people are crazy for believing the events are uncaused is pretty stupid.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:52:36 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Mice can get pretty big. Additionally it could have been a rat or other rodent. I had an issue with chipmunks in my old house.
Look how the picture is angled. Imagine a small rodent walking forward from the back corner of the shelf forward and pushing the picture perpendicular to the shelf.
Now imagine the rodent turning around in a circle. and walking back toward the wall. That would push the picture along the shelf.
Seriously, watch the video again and instead of saying "OMG it's a ghost!" say "OMG it's a rat that'ts getting a look through the crack between the wall and the picture then turns around because it doesn't see anything!"
NorthBlizzard ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:23:36 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
The picture moved forward enough to the point where if something wasn't holding it up it would have easily fallen off the shelf. This is what I don't get, people that try to debunk supernatural things with things that make even less sense than ghosts.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:25:08 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
It didn't move forward at all. It rotated. The back portion of the frame has a shadow cast on it.
NorthBlizzard ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:04:48 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
No it didn't. It moved almost completely off the shelf and then back on.
NorthBlizzard ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 09:19:45 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Yes lol exactly. Because we all know mice have hands and the capability to move things in multiple areas at once, while also pulling it back onto the shelf.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 18:33:29 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 19:06:48 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
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TriWeed ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 19:22:24 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
That's because there is no such thing as ghosts
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:56:58 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
There's no such thing as mice my good sir!
Couchy45 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:22:57 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
How do you know?
Razerix ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 20:17:15 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
How do you know there is? Seriously, there is no reason to argue the point, but the supernatural certainly shouldn't be the default explanation for these sorts of scenarios.
[deleted] ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 20:34:23 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Science bitch, and on a side note if people still say its paranormal then the education system needs redoing, honestly I think people really should start applying science to ALL these paranormal experiences so we can actually know if they are happening so that we can stop calling them paranormal
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:53:09 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Ghosts aren't what your brain should jump to when stuff like this happens, there's no evidence that they even exist. There's evidence mice exist, and there's evidence they move stuff. It's stupid to jump the paranormal when there's rational explanations.
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 21:23:09 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Did you forget what thread you're in?
Debunking things in this thread is one thing, but retorting with "nuh uh, it's mice because mice are real and ghosts aren't" adds absolutely nothing, and comments with no actual proof or disproof should honestly be deleted.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 05:42:50 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
His response to the possibility that it was mice was absolutely retarded. Just because this is a supernatural thread doesn't mean I have to sit there and pretend ghosts exist.
Cookiedrengen ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:02:49 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
At that point I would move the fuck right out of that house.
laughingrrrl ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:47:12 on December 16, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Where is it that you live in a house 300 years old, if you don't mind me asking?
CockGobblin ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:24:17 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I bet it's a SAFE.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:43:07 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Don't you dare say.... OP will deliver!
TehFormula ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:56:10 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
My goal would be to get the fuck out of that town.
RevRound ยท 75 points ยท Posted at 18:51:34 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Honest question, why is it that ghosts seem to be obsessed with mildly inconveniencing peoples lives?
aRandomNameHere ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 18:55:49 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
The ongoing theory is that it's looking for something in/behind that area. Prior to the video being captured the "spirit" said something along the lines of "I can't find it". There's also been several instances of things in that area being moved, completely removed and even thrown across the living room.
[deleted] ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 21:44:21 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Can we ask you to make an update if your pops decides to do some exploring? That would be wicked!
orggs ยท 27 points ยท Posted at 22:34:58 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Imagine what reddit would be like if there was a safe behind that bookshelf.
Man_of_Many_Voices ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 02:17:23 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Ever see the movie ghost? If you were in that situation, where you could see other people but you couldnt reach out and communicate to them, how would you try to get someones attention? How would you communicate without words, or the dexterity to make messages?
toonkirby ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:40:14 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
If I was a ghost I would totally mess with people
taylorxo ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:04:36 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Seriously! Like I pay the rent! I do the dishes! I mow the law! And here you are being dead and mildly inconveniencing my life!
CarshayD ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:41:11 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I don't think they realize they're dead. That's my theory.
Or they're kind of set on "replay" if you get what I mean.
vassalage ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:39:13 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
They don't have enough strength to penetrate into the physical realm so these mild inconveniences are their best 'efforts' so to speak. That's a theory I've heard anyway...
omygodcats ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:17:20 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Personally, I would guess it would be really hard to contact the living-otherwise they would be doing it all the time. Like, maybe they have to concentrate with all their might for like 8 hours to move a picture frame. I don't know if I believe in any of this stuff, but that's my two cents.
sashimi_taco ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 18:02:13 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
At least it's just looking for things right now.
HighJarlSoulblighter ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 21:55:00 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
"Man, where is her clitoris?"
Eaglesun ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:22:56 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Ghost is a high school boy. Confirmed.
Daroo425 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:50:35 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
wait til it gets angry when it can't find it
MissMister ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:09:20 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
What was the picture of??
aRandomNameHere ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 19:09:52 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
My great grandad and my mum when she was little
OpenShut ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 19:20:16 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
If he is hearing voices he might want a professional to check out his mental health. I am being serious.
omguhax ยท -7 points ยท Posted at 22:16:04 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Fuck psychiatric help for hearing voices, says reddit, he's obviously hearing ghosts.
Sometimes I feel like I'm living in a world of manchildren and womanchildren.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 21:06:54 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
If this is not faked, the fact that the ghost moved a picture frame says he would likely be looking for someone in the photo.
iEATu23 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:01:52 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
How were the dvds placed on the floor?
aRandomNameHere ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 20:10:21 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
My mum posted photos of them once I think of Facebook, I'll see if I can find them
oryp35 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:15:43 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
OP will deliver!
aRandomNameHere ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:33:57 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I'm still awaiting her to send me the photos, I couldn't find them on FB. In the meantime here's a video from around a month ago. I'm not certain if it's just the heating doing it but I thought it was swaying nicely. http://vimeo.com/81927666
For context, the first video was from Feb /March
brimps ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:10:41 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Holy shit. I'd buy the heating/drafts idea if it didn't go from swaying left to right, then in circles, then up and down. whaaaaaaa
aRandomNameHere ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:57:38 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
And we shall name it "the mover"
iEATu23 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:17:45 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
This is the only thing in this whole thread that looks legit. Awaiting the photos!
lacienega ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:04:47 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Set up cameras in every room and post the results.
T_D_A_G_A_R_I_M ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:16:12 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
You should video tape the bookshelf or set up a webcam on it
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:32:58 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Renovating. Yup. I grew up in a almost 100 year old house. Never saw anything personally that made me say, "Yeah I believe in ghosts now." but whatever... But anyway, when you renovate, this shit happens.
DillDeer ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:56:53 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
It is said that paranormal activities increase with renovations
Shappie ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:58:11 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Symmetrical DVD stacking. Just like the Philadelphia mass turbulence of 1947.
inailedyoursister ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:26:51 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Looking for something to stab him to death. Sleep tight...
aRandomNameHere ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:36:27 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah well, I don't have a sister. My brother wears a dress on weekends though
jessica_bunny ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:45:24 on December 17, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Something similar used to happen at my parents house.
DVDs all put onto shelves nicely, and about once a week (only when someone was home alone) you would go into the basement and about 5-10 cases would be open with DVDs everywhere. This was when we were like 17-20 so it was not childish games. It even happened to my parents and they would ask us about it, which creeped us out even more. I also noticed that the door to our basement is not very heavy, and typically doesnt move on its own... unless you are home alone, you will walk through the doorway and the door will fall shut behind you.
Lastly, my parents had an alarm system for about the last 7 years I lived with them and they are half retired and travel a lot. EVERY time they went away, the alarm would stop working. A battery would die, a connection would be lost, something.
One time, the weirdest was when everyone but my Dad and little sister were at work. Just those two were home. They went to get some groceries or something and come home and there are cops SURROUNDING the house. My Dad is like 'what the hell?!' and the cop said that someone pushed the panic button on our alarm system panel. My Dad tells him thats not possible, because it was only the two of them home and since the alarm has a motion sensor the panic button could not be pushed, the motion sensor would pick up the movement before someone could even get to the button. The cop insisted checking the house, they never found anything at all but we still cannot figure out how the 'summon police' button was pushed, without the motion sensor catching something.
The ghost in our house always wanted more then one person home, shit just went down when someone was home alone.
circaATL ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 19:09:52 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
What I'm thinking is that it could be faked, and he put some sort of size-growing toy or something behind it. But it does look like one of the most convincing videos I've seen in this thread. Creepy indeed.
GaryXBF ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:54:47 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I don't know if its just me, but I am pretty sure I can see a thin piece of string/ fishing line or something coming from the picture frame, parallel to the shelf heading off to the right. and the way the frame moved was consistent (in my opinion) with being pulled from left to right. the low resolution of the camera and lack of ability to see what is further right of the frame or the filmers hands also leads me to belief mischief is at work
SirPasta117 ยท 303 points ยท Posted at 16:38:40 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
The scarier part was me thinking its was a knee that suddenly morphed into a head.
chicoblancocorto ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:28:06 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
You didn't notice the eyebrows?
FredeJ ยท 23 points ยท Posted at 00:34:12 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
You mean the kneebrows?
[deleted] ยท 64 points ยท Posted at 17:35:31 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
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aRandomNameHere ยท 22 points ยท Posted at 17:39:07 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I'd have the same reaction, we're going to visit in April. I'm anxiously excited to see if we experience anything.
NeedMoarCoffee ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:53:45 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
If this is real, it sounds like humans. Just treat it like a person and ask him to leave you alone if you feel uncomfortable.
aRandomNameHere ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 20:22:15 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Interestingly my mum went to see a psychic around a month ago, I tend to take their stuff with a pinch of salt however she stated (before they started actually speaking) that her house was haunted with two ghosts, an elderly guy and a young boy and it was the boy moving things as he wants attention but will stop if you ask him to. They like it though now so I can't see it stopping
anonslore112 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:50:18 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Can I ask where this house is? My mom grew up in a haunted Victorian (used to be a hospital) and things like this happened a lot - voices when renovating, things being moved, and a bunch of other stuff. One time all the picture frames on one wall fell off at once.
My dad also grew up in a house that my sister and I firmly believe is haunted. As a kid I was terrified of a section of the house that actually turned out to have a walled off red room (which my sister dreamt about). And there were things of value hidden in the walls.
ace451 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:31:27 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
red room? story/ pics please
anonslore112 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:23:05 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
No pics, unfortunately. I was too young when they sold the house. It was part of the parlor though, and was under the stairs. The walls and carpet were all red. For some reason, it was walled off and the rest of the parlor room was renovated. The type of things they found in the walls were various silver items. My mom has one of them that looks sort of like this except tarnished. There was a note inside it too. I'll have to ask her if she still has it - I want to say it was from a brother to his sister.
Unfortunately, I live a while away from my parents and won't be seeing them until after Christmas, so if you want any pictures as proof it's going to be a few weeks.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:43:30 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
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ace451 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:43:45 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
... but really tho im super intrigued
anonslore112 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:29:21 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Here's the old farmhouse. I've tried to research it but haven't been able to find anything. Just texted my dad for the address last night and he sent it to me this morning.
bluesgrrlk8 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:16:34 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I've seen you post about it before, I hope you catch some good stuff for us and post about it when you get back! See if they'll let you look behind the shelf!
jcraig15 ยท 105 points ยท Posted at 16:15:10 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
nope.
aRandomNameHere ยท 57 points ยท Posted at 16:24:00 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
How dare you not do exactly what you're told
jcraig15 ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 17:23:59 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
No, I mean I watched it, but as soon as it happened I noped right on out of the rest of the video.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:32:12 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
What?! I can't... see it! what what what?!
jcraig15 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 17:39:22 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
watch it from the beginning, look at the picture frame on the bookshelf.
not_always_witty ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 17:59:18 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
WHICH PICTURE FRAME?!
aCornField ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 18:19:48 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Top left corner of the bookshelf
MadAtHubby ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 19:53:54 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Not the short shelf, but the built-in bookshelf...top left.
Humpherdink ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 21:49:20 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
i dont see anything.
WestEndStench ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 22:13:34 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
There is nothing more we can do to help you. Sorry.
Raptoroo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:01:47 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
The book shelves on the left of the chandelier, top left there's a picture with a golden frame.
Not included in the video was the mouse behind the picture frame sniffing for food.
Montezum ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:23:47 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
what happens? tell me! i'm too much of a pussy to watch it myself
jcraig15 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:42:29 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
It explodes and sends a piece of glass shrapnel through his brain, killing him instantly.
[deleted] ยท 57 points ยท Posted at 17:04:37 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
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salgat ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:12:30 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
That's my first guess. If you had to choose between mice or paranormal supernatural beings I'd go with mice first.
PartiallyRibena ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:18:31 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I dunno which I'd rather have, supernatural beings or Hyper intelligent pan dimensional beings.
BitcoinBrian ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 03:51:59 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I'd guess they have fishing string, and an off camera accomplice.
And who even puts a picture half way on a shelf like that?
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 17:23:32 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I am guessing that there is more to this story. Care to elaborate?
aRandomNameHere ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 17:29:10 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I thought I replied to someone on it but apparently failed miserably, just added the context. There's a ton of other things happened in the last couple of years but that was the creepiest
lacienega ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 20:07:34 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Share the other things.
Have the spoken to the previous owner ever?
Dr_Dankenstein ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 17:16:39 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
If this is real, why is your dad filming the top of his head to begin with?
Seems like he wanted the picture frame to be in focus... in fact, it's pretty much centered in the camera.
DoctorSteve ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 17:56:22 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
It seems to be a webcam on the laptop that he turned on quickly.
Dr_Dankenstein ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 17:57:28 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Logical, but I still find it odd that the frame is center-frame.
DoctorSteve ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 18:00:51 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I find it odd that he begins replying as soon as the picture frame stops moving - that would be my "it's a hoax" idea. Because the hoaxer would be thinking "Action A finished, need to begin Action B".
TonySaylor ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:02:02 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Is there a Doctor in the house?
iamNebula ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:32:46 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Webcams don't capture in portrait, this is on a phone.
aRandomNameHere ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 17:20:50 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
The voice is behind him?
LavastormSW ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 16:35:18 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
That would be so easy to fake with a little mechanical rig of some sort behind the picture.
aRandomNameHere ยท 56 points ยท Posted at 16:38:49 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Everything is easy to fake given the right skill set. The question was what I thought was the most convincing. Since I know it isn't fake and I don't know anyone in real life who has had a paranormal experience outside of this. This is mine
MurphysLaws ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:30:27 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
replying to save link
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 20:39:31 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
You should do an investigation, we need some real science and rational reasoning to this FFS, arent you interested at all? what if ghosts really exist? You could get some real hard evidence right here right now!
If you dont want to do anything interesting (like camera/bolt things to the shelf) and just keep saying 'oh its paranormal' then, quite honestly, fuck you, I am calling it, its fake.
DevsiK ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:12:27 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
There will always be people like this, nope ghosts are fake, no convincing me
cptstupendous ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:08:43 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Mechanical rig? Nah, you just need an off-camera accomplice and some fishing line.
frozenmango ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 17:23:48 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Mechanical rig or some fishing line...
macarlo ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:34:04 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I'm to scared to watch it, what happens in the picture frame?
aRandomNameHere ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:59:08 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
The frame moves slightly, it's not scary but creeps me out
macarlo ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:03:58 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
thanks
Nevera_ ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:04:20 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Why is he aiming the camera right there above his own head?
aRandomNameHere ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:06:48 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
He was holding it up to try capture the audio
Thenadamgoes ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:16:47 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
What am I looking at?
aRandomNameHere ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:20:14 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
The frame on the top shelf behind the giant bald head
Thenadamgoes ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:51:18 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Oh THAT frame. I was looking at the ones on the dresser.
clawhatesyou ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:02:59 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
What was your dad doing recording a random area of the room that coincidentally happens to be right where the "supernatural phenomenon" is occurring?
aRandomNameHere ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:38:44 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Answer is in other comments
The_Dead_See ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:23:49 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Should be the top comment. This creeped me the fuck out!
arafast ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:52:09 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
you should share this with /r/thetruthishere :)
aRandomNameHere ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:54:49 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
So many subs............ I'll add it tomorrow
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:55:08 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
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aRandomNameHere ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:24:55 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
That was my initial reaction as well
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:27:54 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I don't see what's going on...
HaHaHawaii ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:13:21 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
An inch or two above the guy's head, picture frame within bookcase to the left
RyanCantDrum ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:50:39 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Mice please hopefully.
ScrottyMcboogerballs ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:44:15 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
What's the story pkease?
aRandomNameHere ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:04:50 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I just replied to someone on it on another comment
animelz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:49:31 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Cat?
that-lol-chick ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:55:47 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
wtf is it floating??
rocketman4 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:58:35 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Why was he originally filming?
aRandomNameHere ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:24:34 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
It's in one of the comments
Jack_Burton_Express ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:12:32 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
A little too convenient he had the camera pointing at the top of his head directly at the picture frame...
tidder_reverof ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:30:59 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
hm
kvikklunsj ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:32:53 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Ok I should not have watched that. This is the creepiest post for me so far in this threat.
schm0 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:35:23 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)*
Interesting how the picture frame is in the center of the shot the whole time, and that the man speaking only resumes taking after the frame stops moving. And of course the man makes no effort to look at the noise the frame makes while it is being moved, which can clearly be heard.
If I had to guess, all signs point to this being staged.
aRandomNameHere ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:57:46 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not going to bother arguing authenticity, for me this is answering the ops question as I know out of everything I've ever seen online, this is the only one I know to be completely true. So it's the best I can provide on the subject
schm0 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:15:40 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
All you know is what you can see. Your conclusions as to what the things you see actually are, are your own. I could replicate this video in about 30 minutes with an iPhone, a bookshelf, a picture frame and some fishing line.
aRandomNameHere ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:17:40 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Congratulations, again... That wasn't the question from the op. In my opinion this is the most convincing image/video I've seen of something supernatural
schm0 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:05:48 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
And all I'm trying to say is that it's not very convincing at all. :)
ivnslva ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:40:43 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
.
mrs_mojo_risin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:20:50 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
wow! you should post this to /r/paranormal, too.
elitexero ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:20:54 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I also know where to buy 10 feet of fishing line.
iamaredditer ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:40:10 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Your father needs to setup a camera recording 24 hours a day of where there he has experienced paranormal activity.
Thanks for the video.
aRandomNameHere ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:46:30 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I was thinking of doing a live stream when I'm there for 10 days in April, I need to look at the best option for it but I think it would be good fun
kylepierce11 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:46:35 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Was he trying to communicate with a ghost to begin with?
aRandomNameHere ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:54:14 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, it had just said something which is why he began recording
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:02:54 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Why would the camera not be focused on his face? It's situated to pick up the bookshelf. And the picture frame is already 1/3 of the way off the shelf which makes is much easier to turn with a magnet or fishing line. I'm not call you or your dad out saying that this is definitively staged, it just doesn't sit right with me (and I have extensive experience in identifying forgery/faked media). There are a lot of red flags here that would cause me to go back and filter it through.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:10:49 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
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aRandomNameHere ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:29:38 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Here's the original post on it: http://www.reddit.com/r/Paranormal/comments/1b0k5d/i_aint_afraid_of_no_ghost/ I haven't updated it in a while but that's the whole history
Intergalactic_Feta ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:14:23 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I watched it a few times expecting to hear something, then I actually read your post.
So creepy....
RedofPaw ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:27:05 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I don't believe it is fake.
However, I don't believe it is ghosts. There are two things I think are going on:
The shelves are experiencing vibrations, which cause objects on them to move. The DVDs you mention lower down: they are displaced enough that when one falls the other go with it.
The other thing: you can imagine voices VERY easily. Your brain is wired to find patterns, and one pattern it searches for is voices. If you hear a sound that is indistinct, but vaguely in the range of voices then your brain will find a voice.
In an old house I used to live in I distinctly heard my dad call me. I went to shout up the stairs back at him and realised he wasn't even there. I also heard someone 'clap'. These are not 'mysterious'. They are my brain finding patterns where there are none.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:31:31 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I didn't see anything happen. Cold you please tell me?
JoeyGnome ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:47:36 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
What was the picture of if you don't mind me asking? Like I'm just wondering if that object had any significance to the question he was asking. Freaky shit man.
svesrujm ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:52:39 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Holy shit. First one in this thread that's believable, and scary.
Made me tear up a little.
justThinkaboutIt26 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:03:42 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
It might be because I'm on my phone. Which frame am I looking at?
desynchronize ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:17:10 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Adding a screamer at the end would be great.
Cryse_XIII ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:19:48 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I'd like you to go back to his place and take a picture from the shelf, it looks like someone could stand behind it.
of course that is entirely up to you or your dad.
aRandomNameHere ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:38:10 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I will if I remember, he lives about 6000 miles away so my trip isn't until April
Cryse_XIII ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:06:56 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
it's really not as important as I make it out to be so I'd say don't bother.
I enjoyed the moment of the video anyway.
Zumbach ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:30:53 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Was that him talking or..
ape_rape ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:44:58 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
More info on this? Was he talking to the spirit?
Zumbach ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:46:39 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Was that your dad talking? Or..
The_Butt_Slasher ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:09:52 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
So your dad says, "and who is it you're looking for?" Then a photograph moves... Who was the picture of?
bethmando ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:38:14 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Mouse
silent_hvalross ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:02:18 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
"And who is it you're looking for?" nudges picture frame
If I was in that picture I would stay far away from that house.
girloclock ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:28:15 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Your dad is one brave dude. I would be losing my dinner and my mind.
Ibanez7271 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:51:52 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Not sure what to look for with the picture frame here...
aRandomNameHere ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:53:02 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Top left frame on the bookshelf, just keep your eyes on it
scord ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 23:43:40 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Seems to be benign. See if you can help it find the thing it's looking for. Also, it could easily be attached to some object that fell behind the shelf. Look for antique items. John could probably help if it bothers you. Otherwise, you'll never have to get lonely when you're home alone :) http://www.johnzaffis.com/
haycos ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 20:48:51 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Whos in the picture in that picture frame? It started moving when he asked who it's looking for o.O
somebodycallmymomma ยท 72 points ยท Posted at 20:03:34 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Don't know if this will get any replies but remember that show Ghost Hunters? I haven't seen it in years but I remember watching when more than half the shows ended in, "Yeah, we may have found something, but we can disprove it, so it was probably nothing." As in, if they started faking the show so every episode had something paranormal, this was before that.
Anyway, one time they went to Eastern State Penitentiary, an old prison in Pennsylvania. While there they caught this. They failed to reenact it, and unlike other things I have seen nobody has 100% disproven it or explained how it could be reenacted.
TomPalmer1979 ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 00:40:03 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah the only two episodes that ever genuinely freaked me right the hell out were that one, and the St Augustine Lighthouse. As you said, before they started faking shit for ratings.
crazeguy ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 05:44:14 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
That Lighthouse episode was insane. It's a shame what has happened to the show.
There was also an outstanding EVP from an episode. There was supposedly a lady haunting it, they are questioning, and on the playback, you hear clear as day a woman responding, "Of course I'm here, where are you?" (or something along those lines).
TomPalmer1979 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 17:35:31 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)*
The freakiest moment in the lighthouse is where the guys are walking up the stairs inside the lighthouse, and the one goes "Who is that?" and there's very visibly someone looking over the railing at them from the landing at the top, and it suddenly runs away. And they get to the top and even go outside to the railing, and there's no one there. Gives me chills just THINKING about it.
That and the moment where he scares the shit out of himself by accidentally
flipping the lights offtriggering the motion sensors that turn all the lights on. That was fun.sturmspitz ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 05:55:19 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Do you have a link to that?
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 14:43:13 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
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DVS720 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:28:37 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
same with Savannah ga
acesofconker ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:29:20 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Also Okinawa, Japan
Sonicdahedgie ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 01:06:46 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I used to love watching that show. I believe in ghosts, so i think when they spent most of their time disproving stuff, it made the sightings they had more genuine.
My favorite episode was when some guy invited them to investigate Baltimore's most haunted bar, or something. While there they found an electric motor for shaking the hanging wine glasses, hidden speakers, and all sort of crap like that, and they just REAMED the guy for wasting their time.
I don't know why I don't watch the show anymore. I'd like to know the answer.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 00:35:09 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Looks like a cloth or "ghost" mockup hanging/swerving on a clothes line to me... I mean, if I had to guess, that black line that's positioned vertical across the screen is a clothes line that's perfectly aligned with the camera to prevent people from seeing anything strange about the perspective, or noticing the end of the line.
ccruner13 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:15:44 on December 17, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
The same black line seems to be on the other side. I don't know what it is but it appears to be part of the construction. * shrug *
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somebodycallmymomma ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:50:43 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I remember that. No, it was some other guy who wasn't on after that episode. Basically they made him seem incompetent to no end, like leaving the prison to go look at girls in the gym. That was probably faked.
thr0aty0gurt ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:10:32 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Holy shit i remember watching that exact show and thinking that there was no way it was fake. The change of direction is way too fast to be human.
Anselan ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 08:59:52 on December 16, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
So, I love that show and I'm a bit of a conspiracy nut. I've had my own bizarre experiences - but I've always hated their attempt to reenact this footage.
The figure approaches "slowly", and then runs away quickly. They try and reenact it by having Brian(?) walk forwards, and then running quickly backwards.
I honestly feel it's someone walking along the scaffolding towards the camera backwards and then taking off forwards. That's why you can see the "foot" kick out on the lower left of the figure.
boooforyou ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:25:47 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
i remember watching that one! one of the more interesting ghost hunter episodes ive watched, the bit where they make the girls sit in the prison cell and try to claim the ghosts want to rape her was a bit far fetched...gave me chills all the same though!
paradoxikal ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:31:57 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I have been to Eastern State Penitentiary, it's super creepy there. I can definitely understand where it could be haunted. I've also seen that Ghost Hunters episode, and I agree that it was one of the better ones evidence-wise.
nickd182 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:17:32 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Holy fuvk that
Scary_Goat ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:47:07 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
The first time I saw that it gave me chills. Still does. Specifically the manner in which it appears and disappears.
av78130 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:22:56 on December 16, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I can't remember maybe it was savannah , ga, I think it was some moon brewery where they caught this short dark looking thing come out of the wall then reverse directions right back into it. That was another one just as freaky for me.
allmotorK20 ยท 2551 points ยท Posted at 15:04:41 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)*
The phoenix lights of 1997. http://imgur.com/8PgnzWz
This was seen by thousands of people, while it floated over the city. The government tried saying it was flares, but flares leave a trail of smoke which there was not. Plus I saw this myself...and it didn't look like any flare I have ever seen
Edit: More thanks to u/azsheepdog: http://brumac.8k.com/phoenixlights1.html
mlj8684 ยท 943 points ยท Posted at 15:48:52 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I saw something similar when I lived there in 2009. I was just one of dozens of cars that pulled over to watch the lights. They'd be in a straight line, then the entire row would rotate, followed by them spreading out, coming back together, and then moving independently. I'm not a big conspiracy or supernatural follower, but that was by far the most uncomfortable experience I've had.
Fauster ยท 1938 points ยท Posted at 17:32:36 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
In many U.S. cities there are groups of hobbyists that make fake UFOs out of radio controlled planes, kites, helicopters and balloons. I saw what looked like a huge flying saucer with changing lights. I stayed under it for half an hour. It started to descend and its lights cut out, but I could still make it out. When it was close to treeline, I could hear a whir and realized it was much smaller than I assumed. I followed it into a backyard and it was being piloted by a fat bearded guy with a meter long ante It was homemade from balsa wood and LEDs, with a propellor mounted on a CD turner.
He invited me into his basement and it was filled with fake UFOs. He can fly them from almost a mile away with an FCC non-compliant antenna. A UFO that made the news a year earlier had been his friend's large kite mounted with lasers and remote controlled LEDs.
Every year, he flies them over hippy music festivals.
aniviasrevenge ยท 1790 points ยท Posted at 17:43:32 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Amazing.
Hiphoppington ยท 834 points ยท Posted at 18:02:26 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Possibly THE best use of one's personal time.
[deleted] ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 20:53:23 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I, too, thoroughly enjoy propagating misinformation/deception to members of my species.
randombozo ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 22:32:49 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Do you tent your hands?
[deleted] ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 23:32:40 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:47:26 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
As crazy as some "UFO Watcher" kind of people can be, I don't think there's anything stupid about seeing an incredibly unnatural formation of lights or something like that flying around that can't be attributed to anything you are aware of and suggesting it might be something "alien".
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:01:08 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:07:38 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Good job using the word, "assuming", where "suggesting" as in considering was what was being referred to.
You won the argument. All wrapped up.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:20:03 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:26:56 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
... You're all over the place and full of strange assumptions. Adderall? Coffee?
I don't think people are dumb for seeing something and then thinking, "Oh that might be this phenomenon we've heard other people suggest, because I can't think of another explanation at the moment."
That's all I am asserting. You're judging them too harshly is all.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:40:08 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:52:16 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Pretty much anything you've said that wasn't related to my point (the actual subject), people aren't just dumb for believing something might be something else.
I think the dude is hilarious, doesn't make the prank victims stupid. That's it.
Aquifex ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:56:13 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
They're not necessarily stupid, but they're certainly acting stupid. There, I fixed it.
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Kraka01 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:19:30 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Eh... I'll just masturbate.
[deleted] ยท 27 points ยท Posted at 18:28:36 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
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funk_your_face ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:20:36 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Why not both?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:24:08 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
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ShallowBasketcase ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 20:29:00 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
How can anything be real if our eyes aren't real?
im_a_neckbeard_AMA ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:27:43 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
how can anything be?
funk_your_face ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:43:11 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
How?
TheMongooseTheSnake ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:18:02 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Duuuude, did you see that?
socialisthippie ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 18:35:42 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
When i read this i started giggling and clapping my hands together like a retard.
randombozo ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:32:03 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Helluva sight for those on LSD.
FreeDahmer ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:20:33 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
The perfect crime.
Woyaboy ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:31:05 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
That had the best ending.
drukqsx ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:01:12 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
That line made my week.
[deleted] ยท 553 points ยท Posted at 17:47:59 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 165 points ยท Posted at 18:23:34 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
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jessticless ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 19:07:37 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Shots fired!
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:26:17 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
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op135 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:00:21 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
why not both?
kesekimofo ยท 141 points ยท Posted at 17:46:03 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
The end, makes him sound like a real life, grown up, Eric Cartman.
gringosucio ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 18:25:46 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
It really does.
Hiphoppington ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:03:05 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Not racist enough.
[deleted] ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 20:05:56 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
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-kesekimofo
kesekimofo ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:19:50 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Infliction. Do you hate it, in written word?
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 20:32:56 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
You use commas like Hummers use gas.
kesekimofo ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:03:00 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I think of it, more like, Shatner-ized.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 23:33:25 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
What does that even mean?
[deleted] ยท 59 points ยท Posted at 17:47:17 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
That's were I would have noped the Fuck out. I'm not gonna end up as some fat guy's lamp shade.
Cooey ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 18:54:26 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
It rubs the lotion on it's skin!
JamZward ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:48:55 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
yall need to grow some adventure taint.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:51:17 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
That's why some people have fun stories and some people are fucking boring.
[deleted] ยท 79 points ยท Posted at 17:49:39 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
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markscomputer ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:47:46 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
It's not as funny as you think. The hippies pick up on it faster than average because they are very used to it.
Source: Heard a group of hippies shouting "turn off your drone" at a said festival. It was funny, but not for the presumed reasons.
Nashtak ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 17:50:17 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
So you just accepted his invitation to his basement? After uncovering his secret?
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:56:14 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
This guy may be the greatest unknown troll of our time.
guitarnoir ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 17:52:53 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
A good friend and his wife told me that they had seen an unusual object in the sky, in their suburban Los Angeles neighborhood. Both of them are rational, education, intelligent people, and didn't claim that this object was an alien craft--just that it looked and acted unusual. I got their description of the object and it didn't take much research to discover just what Fauster said---the object was a radio controlled flying craft, designed to fool observers into thinking they had seen a "flying saucer". Trolls also exist in Real Life.
Sobemiki ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 18:34:50 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
On behalf of all my fellow UFO hobbyist I present to you my personal UFO.. Since this video was taken I've added a death ray (red led light) to the front if the craft http://i1066.photobucket.com/albums/u414/Sobemiki/79747d16.mp4
pranksterturtle ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:56:36 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
That's pretty cool. How long can it fly?
Sobemiki ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:16:29 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I gave it an upgraded battery so about 15-20 minutes per battery and I have four batteries.
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Akforce ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:06:45 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Why would you go into that guys basement!?
NFIGUY ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:09:24 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
This is so much better than an actual UFO sighting...
gingerclaus ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:16:39 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I want to be that fat bearded man. That guy sounds fucking awesome.
k9centipede ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:13:31 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I had a middle school teacher talk about how when he was a kid some friends rigged up a fake ufo with a kite then got it in the air. Had another friend standing on a cornor just staring at it, to see how many people would stop. Got quite a frenzy
Kchortu ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:44:23 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah ok, government lackey, I'm on to you.
But that's pretty hilarious
hellothereoctopus ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:36:22 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Wat
loudechoes ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:49:14 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Woah!! r/trees would love to know about this.
Exodus111 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:53:53 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
So... what's it like working at the Pentagon?
skullturf ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:07:01 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I have absolutely no trouble believing that a guy who would make fake UFOs would be a fat guy with a beard.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:09:06 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
He invited you into his basement? And you went? Sounds like the beginning of a Criminal Minds episode.
MegaAlex ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:10:16 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Where was this? My gf told me she saw a kite with led and a doctor called the news and everyone was freaking out because they believed him. It wasn't until she called the TV channel that they found out. I'm just curious if it's the same story
sk11ng ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:10:54 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
...you went into his basement?
zeBearCat ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:16:13 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
You went into his basement? A strangers basement...
sevensallday ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:18:04 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
They can also do the same thing with normal sized planes that are remotely controlled and have no human pilot. Without a human to worry about it can be redesigned for high-g maneuvers that would normally kill the pilot. Thats what really gets me about these ufo people, the ideas they have about aircraft movements is based entirely on the limits on a human pilot so when they see something that doesn't follow those laws they automatically assume ufo.
KennyFulgencio ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:21:51 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I ain't even mad. That's pretty impressive.
That would have been even better!
TheSizzler34 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:27:39 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Troll of the year award goes to...
RadioactiveCanada ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:53:31 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
So this is what GRRM has been doing with his time.
xStahl ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:11:50 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I'm sure that very same fat guy was there when I saw two ufo's when I went with my friend to look at the stars here in Iceland, it must be that every ufo encounter has to be deception, because fat people with remotes you can't escape them.
My friend has this telescope that is able to look pretty far, so we drove into the wilderness to escape the lights of the city or so we thought because he found us and engaged his fake ufo's at us.
After like 10-20 minutes we saw two objects flying in space one glowed orange the other had a white glow and the lights pulsated which no aircraft or helicopter does they blink but they don't pulsate this must be something else or so we thought.
This was the most convincing experience of otherworldly objects I have seen and it's amazing that it was just some fat guy with a remote from the U.S. he sure loves fooling people and good at it too.
/It's all drenched in sarcasm but the story is true excluding the fat guy
Hell_on_Earth ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:19:20 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
He sounds like a really cool guy.
AstroAlmost ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:25:12 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
VICE should follow this guy around
Malbranch ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:29:04 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Hand to god, I've read this account word for word elsewhere.
ScaryDesigns ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:30:38 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
A group sent up balloons with flares attached and got a pattern very similar to the Phoenix lights. People were taking photos and claiming they zig-zagged like alien aircraft, etc. They were astonished by what people attributed to their flare balloons, to this day many people say the flare group are liars and that aliens did visit. The power of what people want to believe, I guess.
koobcamria ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:47:46 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Troll level: 10
Chili_Maggot ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:57:35 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah nice try, the government. Bet you'd like us to believe your little story.
Space_Donkey ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:03:58 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Nice try, MIB agent!!
ponimaju ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:05:50 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
ooooEEEEoOOOOO
somefreedomfries ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:12:38 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I have read this exact same story in another thread such as this months ago. i am going to assume you copy and pasted this, and it is not really your story.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:16:31 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
interesting. ive never considered this as an explanation to UFO sightings. the bearded man sounds brilliant. what an unconventional fashion with which to shock the population!
However, OP, can you prove that your encounter with such a man actually occurred?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:20:26 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
God bless that man
whiskey4breakfast ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:37:25 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Me and my friends bought a shit ton of these.
We stand in a circle and let them go, they usually float away in the same pattern. We always see cars pulling over and taking pictures, it's pretty funny.
TheSalmonOfKnowledge ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:40:04 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)*
I've done this myself. Invested a few hundred dollars in it. Launched a ten foot wide triangular structure illuminated with glow sticks on 50 feet of kite string attached to a helium filled weather balloon. Then let the fun ensue.
I've also created ghost myths (on the spot) about houses.
I've been the sole person making the Ouija board spell out spooky stuff.
People are just too eager to believe. They want evidence or first hand experience of the supernatural so bad that they'll dismiss the most obvious explanation. Hoax. And believe me, there are lots of us hoaxers out there....and they might just be your best friend. Fox Mulder's poster is an apt motto for the human race: I want to believe.
VillainousYeti ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:22:23 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I don't know what was more courageous. You following a potential UFO or going into his basement.
Username_123 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:59:52 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)*
I saw something like this last year near Mesa, AZ. I might have a video of it I will look.
Edit I couldn't find mine but I found this video about it http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Df8_UQJZXUs&desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DDf8_UQJZXUs
TheLast0fUs ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:40:51 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
A fat bearded guy pretty much sums it up.
GoofStatus ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:20:10 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
a random fat beared guy you've never met invites you into his basement to show you his fake ufo collection, seems safe.
TDNR ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:22:08 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
You went into a fat bearded guy's basement after watching him fly home made UFOs?
Argle ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:33:53 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Holy shit that explains what I saw. Long story short, it was the night before a festival in upstate NY in 2001 and we're camping, and in the sky I see 5 UFOs, and the only logical explanation I could think of was somebody was flying a bunch of kites in the middle of the night with glow sticks or LEDs, because they were very faint and just flew around in circles for hours.
Seliniae2 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:58:12 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
The best turnout for being invited into someone's basement.
Fitzzz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:05:27 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
You were invited into a fat bearded stranger's basement, and you accepted the invitation?
iPhoneVersusToilet ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:13:23 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Nice try Obama.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:23:20 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I don't know whether to believe you or not on the last part but that sounds awesome. I want to control a ufo.
Hojeekush ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:23:36 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
"Every year, he flies them over hippy music festivals."
Thank you for introducing me to my new hobby!
ladymelusina ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:56:14 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
why.....why would you go into some strange dude's basement? Do you not watch horror movies?
Sonicdahedgie ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:00:14 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
You made the best friend ever.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:49:41 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
hobbyists? they sound like they like fucking with people's heads, they're real life trolls
sugarboat ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:12:38 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
FCC or FAA? dumbass.
Fauster ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:24:28 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Federal communications commission; they regulate radio waves.
EeeZee ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:44:08 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
this man was obviously an alien sent here to soften us up for their Grand Appearance, scheduled for June 2018 by the Mayan calendar. also Reece's Pieces is already the un-official official sponsor.
DasBarenJager ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:16:17 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I love this!
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:23:04 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
And thats why i asked for a ufo toy this christmas.
tonterias ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 16:53:22 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I saw this last saturday in Montevideo, Uruguay. My girlfriend said they were flares, but they were going up for several seconds, haven't seen flares like those before.
squired ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 17:18:11 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
If that is true, seems like a fairly basic drone swarm test.
dustbin3 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:06:06 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Holy shit, I saw the same thing in Southern Illinois about a month ago. I was taking a test at my college and there is a long corridor with all windows overlooking a field. I first thought they were birds, but the synchronicity, speed, and degree of the turns wouldn't have been possible. I stopped and started looking around for other people to try and tell me what I was seeing but this was in between classes and no one was around. It was the middle of the day and there were about 7 or 8 of them, just circling in formation. They looked silver in the sunlight. I tried taking a video and picture with my phone but nothing showed up. I still can't wrap my head around what that was. I google for days trying to see if anyone else saw it, but never found anything. I don't immediately make the leap to aliens, as that seems like a big stretch, but I hate not understanding something.
internetsuperstar ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:37:05 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Major top secret US military base nearby but no, must be UFOs.
Or wait, I'm an idiot...the government has already been infiltrated by the reptilians.
outfoxthefox ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:47:56 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Plane formations. Not that supernatural.
IntersnetSpaceships ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 17:11:01 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Phew... Case closed.
msheidicakes ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:32:13 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I saw these in El Paso October 2009
owlsrule143 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:33:05 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
2009? Does this occur regularly? How has no one gotten a higher quality/enhanced/zoomed in video by now, or how has it not been figured out?
kc_59 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:16:18 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
What makes this even more weird is that I've seen something similar in West central Utah... only difference is the lights would show up, disappear, come back in all completely different spots and add one new light til there was about six of them. The times they would disappear and the spots yet would reappear were completely random until after about 10 minutes they all disappeared at once and then reappeared in a straight line. After that, we noped the fuck out of there.
etothepowerof3 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:27:44 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I saw something exactly like this in Pittsburgh in 2010 and watched it for about five minutes trying to figure out a rational explanation. It was utterly terrifying...
...until I realized it was spotlights from some event downtown reflecting off a low cloud cover.
kc_59 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:47:42 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah I live in a very small town hours away from any cities plus I was anything 20 miles west of town when I saw them. No explanation haha
Aqua-Tech ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:30:08 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
No video?
Oznog99 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:04:07 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
There is video of the 1997 incident. They don't do that in the 1997 incident... they just drop at a fixed rate, consistent with flares.
As Fauster said, there are prankers who do this the remote-control UFOs with LEDs. Likely the 1997 incident was dropped flares, but that made them a target for a more spectacular copycat prank.
opiumdelima ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:38:52 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I saw something like this in 2010 in Angelina National Forest. The lights would move in unison, opposite to each other or just completely on their own. I have heard theories about satellites but that's not a satellite pattern. Never shook that feeling I got that night.
Nutcup ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:52:02 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I saw this as well in 2009. Middle of the day. Fucking creepy.
pananana1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:52:19 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I don't understand why your experience doesn't make you believe that they were aliens... I mean, let's say that society didn't largely view alien sightings as stupid and fake. Would you still be so sure that it wasn't aliens?
mlj8684 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:43:34 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not sure that it wasn't aliens, I just can't say one way or the other.
ramblingnonsense ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:39:53 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Okay, it was 2009. You and everyone else in the line had time to see the lights, pull over, and look at them. Most people would have had cell phones and many of those would have had cameras. Even in 1997, when cell phones were still a luxury item and camera phones were unheard of, there are thousands of photos and dozens of videos of the Phoenix lights. If so many people saw your lights in 2009, where's the video footage?
Rose94 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:50:31 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Kongming lanterns maybe? You can make pretty big, bright, homemade ones, and the patterns could just be wind patterns.
rivermandan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:57:14 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I have to ask you and the dozens of people pulled over a rather simple question: HOW THE HELL DO YOU PEOPLE AFFORD TO DRIVE CARS IF YOU CANT AFFORD A CELLPHONE WITH A *UCKING CAMERA?
seriously, if I witnessed some discomforting phenomena, I WOULD PULL OUT MY GOD DAMED PHONE AND TAKE A VIDEO OF IT LIKE ANY NORMAL PERSON.
pwendler2 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:45:31 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Wait, 2009? I thought these lights were from 1997. Did it happen twice?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:22:12 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
How about 2008
jcrowz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:48:46 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Why did it make you feel uncomfortable?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:54:02 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I grew up way out in boondocks Alabama. One night we were headed home down some back road when we saw what looked like headlights just a little ways up in the sky. Planes were a rare event, you might see one every week or two, especially ones so low and going so slow. We stopped to watch it. All of a sudden it stopped, probably a few hundred yards away, and stayed completely still. It sat there for a good 5 minutes or so. Then it suddenly just jetted away extremely fast, much faster than anything i had ever saw. Me and my mom and dad just looked at each other wide eyed. We kept on down the road but just a minute or two later we started seeing airplanes way up in the sky. Tons of them. I counted at least 15. I watched them fly around the rest of the ride home. I don't know if it was extraterrestrial or not but it was definitely weird and has stuck with me ever since.
cptstupendous ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 17:33:41 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Why would it be uncomfortable? Would it really change your life that much if aliens were real?
You've still got to get up the next morning and live your life. You've still got to go to work, eat and drink, socialize, pee and poop, and relax just like any other day.
mlj8684 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:01:22 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I think it was just the feeling of not knowing what it is was. It absolutely could have just been a military exercise or whatever. But I would think that after the 2007 incident, some level of "Dear Residents of Phoenix, we'll be creeping the fuck out of some of you tomorrow at 8pm" would have been appropriate.
My level of discomfort about it, even now, was seeing this intricate display of movement by lights I can't identify, and then the reaction to it either being that I'm a moron because it's clearly a government/military exercise, or I'm a moron for not recognizing it's clearly aliens.
Anyone can have a theory. But that doesn't make it true. You are right in your comment though. My life went on and goes on.
joe_dirty ยท 1090 points ยท Posted at 15:25:28 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
definitely one of the greatest mass sightings of something that is allegedly supernatural
[deleted] ยท 48 points ยท Posted at 15:44:32 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Even if they were from a UFO, that wouldn't be supernatural.
[deleted] ยท 177 points ยท Posted at 15:46:03 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Would anything really be supernatural? If we found out ghosts existed, they would be natural too.
[deleted] ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 16:22:24 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
True...
Knormy ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 16:55:15 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
If ghosts could somehow be undeniably proven to exist (which I am quite convinced will never happen) and after proper effort could not be shown to work within any concept of physics we have, couldn't they then be called supernatural?
for_because ยท 32 points ยท Posted at 17:07:18 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
No. Because we would have had to adjust our understanding of physics, quantum mechanics, and pretty much everything else. IF anything supernatural was proven to exist it would be more representative of our lack of knowledge on what's natural than something that is beyond or "super" natural.
Knormy ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:11:38 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I don't think anything supernatural will ever be shown to exist. But if we are to have such a term, by definition it would be for something that works outside of Physics.
for_because ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 17:24:40 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Well that's kind of my point just as all sciences have grown and changed with new knowledge, we would have to grow and change with these discoveries. I think the term supernatural is a misnomer as anything that exists would have to exist within a natural paradigm,.
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 17:14:08 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
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Bakoro ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:11:22 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
There is an idea that the Universe and the reality as we interact withย is a simulation being conducted in a "higher' Universe. If that were the case, there could be all manner of things that could happen that would be utterly without explanation by any means that we have access to. That'd be supernatural as it gets.
I've got no opinion on that hypothesis (other than it would suck to be in someone else's 'Sim City'), but it's one of those things that would be undetectable, untestable, and basically unverifiable in any way unless the operators allowed it to be so. All we would see is weird, impossible shit.
Knormy ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:22:52 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I normally completely agree with you on the Physics. I'm just allowing philosophically for the idea (or fantasy) that some hold that something just might somehow exist outside of any possible Nature or Physics. Otherwise the term "supernatural" is unnecessary, which I guess I'd say is the case.
Understand this is a bit me giving a touch of slack to my woo-woo believing friends, mostly out of love.
Riktenkay ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:53:08 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)*
I think I get what you're saying. In theory, at least, something could exist outside of the set of rules we call physics. God for example. I don't personally believe in God, but I accept that he could exist outside of our universe (as he must if he created it), and therefore not be subject to the rules of our universe. We wouldn't have to re-write those rules if we found out God exists, as there is no reason why they should apply to him in the first place.
Phrodo_00 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:17:26 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Nothing works outside nature, when nature defies physics, the physics just need to be revised
TurboSexaphonic ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 23:37:10 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Everyone is thinking too hard about this.
Supernatural means a force or something that is beyond scientific understanding. If a ghost stands on a ledge and multiple people go there and confirm they saw the same thing, that makes it supernatural.
Because it exists in some ethereal form but science can't explain why.
bithead ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:07:31 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
So atomic energy used to be supernatural.
TurboSexaphonic ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:47:19 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
No because atomic energy is just that: energy made by atoms. That is all scientific.
The concept of a restless spirit existing in an intangible realm that comes back from the " other side " is fundamentally the opposite of science. Hence ' supernatural '
bithead ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 05:36:10 on December 16, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
We know that now, but before we knew that, by your criteria, it would have been supernatural
SirSoliloquy ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 17:08:08 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Nah, it would just mean that our concept of physics is incomplete.
Knormy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:12:07 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
As I commented elsewhere in this thread: I don't think anything supernatural will ever be shown to exist. But if we are to have such a term, by definition it would be for something that works outside of Physics.
ColonelScience ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 17:20:44 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
And if it works outside of our understanding of physics, then our understanding of physics would have to change.
Knormy ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:25:26 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Ugh, I know that. I'm trying to say something else on this topic. I guess I'm failing so I give up.
untranslatable_pun ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:44:59 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
"Nature" is simply defined in a way that encompasses everything that exists, so if something thought to be impossible is proven to exist, the meaning of nature is expanded.
It's just logically impossible for something to exist yet somehow lie out of nature.
Riktenkay ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 19:48:18 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I don't see how the terms "natural" or "supernatural" even relate to physics. If it occurs naturally, it's natural. Even if it's beyond scientific explanation.
45flight ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:27:07 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
it's a colloquialism
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:42:56 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Demons and angels are "supernatural" because they are from another dimension, therefore not "natural" to out world. I'm not sure if ghosts are included in this but I think so because they are supposedly part of the "spirit world."
GAMEchief ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:21:41 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Depends on what they end up being. If it's not a part of nature (e.g. metaphysical), it's supernatural.
Whalen ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:05:42 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Thanks, Captain Killjoy.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:42:41 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Whaat? You're not excited by the thought of actual contact with extraterrestrials? I know I am!
joe_dirty ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:56:53 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)*
the thing is we do not know what UFO's are, hence their name. so why are UFO- phenomena not supernatural then? anyway is there a definition?
edit: wording
PugzM ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:13:03 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Because people see UFO's every day. They make claims about how they see UFO's and immediately conclude - it must be aliens. When really all it means is that for you, it was an unidentified flying object. Could just be one of those floating lamps. Just because you didn't know what it was doesn't make it supernatural.
Also even if it was aliens doesn't mean it would be supernatural. I'd bet a lot of money on the fact that aliens exist under the same laws of physics that you and I do to.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:28:04 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Since this is all theoretical; some believe multiple universes exist. Would it be possible that the other universe has different rules? If so, would they be forced to follow the rules we have here?
That being said; what do we really know about Physics? My understanding is the big bang which is proved through physics also rules out our understanding of physics. The big bang is impossible under our laws.
Am I completely misunderstanding it?
PugzM ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:35:17 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Well when you include a multiverse then the question becomes much broader. Sure, their might be multiple universe. Some mathematical hypotheses in the field of theoretical physics implies that a multiverse exists. Some hypotheses I believe require it. But as of yet there are no predictions made by these hypotheses that can be tested. Many of the predictions seem like they may be impossible within practical limits to ever test.
So sure, other universes could exist but we really have no way of judging how plausible it really it is currently. When I said about betting on aliens existing under the same laws as us, I wasn't really thinking about multiple universes. If there are multiple universes then it's plausible that life may arise in different universe too, and therefore be living under different physics than we do. It's also possible that the amount of life that exists under different laws of physics would vastly outweigh the life that exists under our physics. However this is all speculative.
The main reason I said alien life would exist under our law of physics was because I was thinking in the context of alien life having supposedly visited us. Now, I think it's far more likely that if alien life had visited, it would be from our own universe, and probably our own galaxy at that. I think it's been said that if there were a multiverse, you'd never be able to observe it directly. It would have to be a case of a theory making 50 predictions say, and 49 of them being experimentally verified accurately to be correct, with the 1 prediction left saying there should be a multiverse. That would be enough to say the existence of a multiverse is plausible. But we're contained in our own universe. We can't even see past the cosmic background microwave radiation. This prevents us seeing the early universe pre-galaxy formation. The idea that we could see, let alone travel to different universes seems unlikely. Also consider that we could move between universes. We might move to another universe, and be crushed instantly by a universe where mass creates a lot more gravity than it does here. We'd need to be able to observe other universes in detail before moving to them because they may kill us when we move there. All of this seems very unlikely. So it seems a lot more plausible that if aliens had visited they'd be from this universe.
As for the big bang being ruled out by Physics, it's not quite right. We know an amazing amount of things about the nature of the universe but there's so much more to learn still. Everything we can see, matter, light, radiation seems to make up only a tiny fraction of the actual content of the universe. The universe is dominated by stuff we can't see - dark matter, and dark energy. So we have lots to learn yes.
What physicists find at the moment is that when you put all of our knowledge together, you apply different, independently verified theories together to simulate what the universe should look like with these rules, you end up with a mess. The beautiful theories break down and an image is produced that doesn't resemble our universe. Galaxies shouldn't be able to form and hold themselves together for example. Does this mean that the theories have to be thrown out? No, because they've been independently verified. They are accurate, and have been empirically verified over and over again, yet they are inconsistent. Interestingly what this means, isn't that our picture so far is wrong, it's that we're missing something. It means we have a new piece of the puzzle to put in.
An example of this happening in physics was with Maxwell and Galileo. Lawrence Krauss can do a much better job of explaining this than I can so heres a segment from a video that's well worth watching in full. For my point, watch between 13.37 to about 23.37. The rest of the video, he actually does talk about this point of reconciling inconsistent theories, and shows how different forces have been reconciled, and how we're still missing some parts of the picture but we're getting closer.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:16:38 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Sweet! Thanks. As you could tell I really don't know anything about it. I just watch a lot of documentaries on space etc etc. This stuff comes up. It's all very interesting but waaaaaay beyond my level of understanding..
PugzM ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:13:41 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Glad to talk about it. :) I'm not a physicist myself, just an obsessive enthusiast who reads and watches as much material on the subject as possible. I understand physics on a more pop science level which is through it's explanation via the English language. Of course, the real explanation are in the mathematics which are more daunting if you're not highly numerate.
If you want to watch some good documentaries or even lectures here's a starting place...
Docs:
BBC Horizon do a lot of good ones at a pop science level. Bear in mind that Horizon tends to like to stray to the forefront of physics where they often discuss hypotheses. It's not always clear when they talk about these that they are hypotheses because they speak sometimes almost as though they're true. Here's one... Parallel Universes, Alternative Timelines & Multiverse
If you search into youtube BBC Horizon you'll be able to find more.
Also, absolutely essential viewing if you haven't seen it already is Carl Sagan's Cosmos. The whole thing is on youtube in that link. This is a really comprehensive explanation of the philosophy and method of science, as well as an explanation of physics current understanding of the origins of the universe and life, as well as some supernatural debunking thrown in in some of the later episodes. It's quite old now, but the majority of the content stands up well today with little revision needed. It's a great place to start for any person.
Lectures:
Lawrence Krauss' Universe from Nothing lecture is one of my favourite physics lectures. I only first saw it about a year ago, and I've always thought I was fairly clued up on my pop physics but it blew my mind on a number of different points.
Also the other lecture that I posted a snippet of earlier: The Higgs and the Story of Science.
It's easy enough to find more by Krauss. Krauss tends to talk mostly about cosmology, theory, method of science, and history of science.
There's also Neil DeGrasse Tyson who's great for astronomy and cosmology.
Youtubes related videos column should do pretty good from there. :)
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:29:40 on December 30, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Hello Friend!
Carl Sagan's Cosmos. Really got my brain going. He's a beautiful person and that series will be watched again. There was on scene when he was in a class room with the students and a kid asks "The the sun part of the Milkyway Galaxy?". The look on the kids face after he asked question. It made my eyes water, I don't know what it was but, shit man that answer must have been so enlightening for a kid. I never got answers like that growing up.
I wont get into the other videos until the new years, but I definitely will give them a shot. I know of Krauss (He does a lot of God vs Science debate - which I'm not a fan of - but I understand why he has to do it) and hes talked in some of the other Universe documentaries I've seen. He's an extremely blunt man but he can be really confusing.
Thanks again! res tagged you as "Person who introduced me to Cosmos"
Z-Ninja ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:18:32 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I think he's trying to say that it doesn't have to be aliens. It could be something supernatural from our own planet. Ghosts/dragons/wizards/magic. Anything we think lies outside the realm of possibility. Aliens are very much within the realm of possibility, but that doesn't mean they want to secretly visit earth.
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 16:12:42 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)*
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BillMurry69 ยท -6 points ยท Posted at 17:19:07 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Too little... sorry
Devanismyname ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:31:58 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
You can show yourself out now.
BillMurry69 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:14:30 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
You can shove a canoe paddle right up your ass hole now.
Devanismyname ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:15:34 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Why do you want me to do that?
BillMurry69 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:12:06 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
just a suggestion
Devanismyname ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:36:00 on December 16, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Do you have your panties in a bunch?
BillMurry69 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:00:17 on December 16, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I have a bunch of panties
sharkman873 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:54:36 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, this is the one that intrigues me the most. IIRC, the lights unexpectedly shoot up into the sky really fast in one of the videos.
MegaAlex ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:05:42 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Is it possible it's just some sort of Jets?
UhhUmmmWowOkayJeezUh ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 17:13:30 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I personally think the phoenix lights are bullshit. If you've ever seen flares being popped at night, you'd be skeptical of this too. It's nighttime, so I'm fairly sure that it would be impossible to see the smoke anyways, not to mention that the reason the lights disappear could be because the flares simply died out, OR, maybe the lights aren't over the city at all. Maybe the point of view is weird, and the flares simply pass behind a mountain that is maybe a few miles away from the city. If you've ever been to Phoenix or even Tuscan Arizona, you'd know that they have more than a few military bases in said state, so I think the government's word is fairly trustworthy in this case.
There are a ton of much more interesting cases than the Phoenix lights, but what pisses me off about so many of them, is that people always jump to conclusions and say what would be most unlikely cause of the lights (aliens) And never bother to even research and overlook the most likely cause of it, and blow everything out of proportion.
I think the reason why people are so fixated on the Phoenix lights was because so many people saw them, and the average person will probably jump to conclusions and not think hard about what they could of saw. It's easier to say it was aliens.
Crop circles are far more likely to be some sort of unexplained phenomena, while the phoenix lights have been explained numerous times.
GTI-Mk6 ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 17:20:36 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Crop circles are pretty well known to be human creations to...
UhhUmmmWowOkayJeezUh ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 17:37:15 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
So are UFOs in almost every case.
Grish422 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:40:49 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
So how does it explain the sightings over a vast area over a large amount of time? Was the military dropping flares every few miles, every ten minutes? Because flares do not last long. Also, flares are very easily refuted due to the many people directly under the massive object that saw it block out huge sections of stars as it passed. Flares to me is sillier than a UFO. It's so easily debunked it should not even be a discussion.
UnjuggedRabbitFish ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:55:07 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Phoenix Lights explained and thoroughly debunked. Flares.
Cornish_ ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:22:55 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Pretty sure the government confirmed these as flares during a military test or some shit. Youtube it
MyersVandalay ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:18:11 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
The one question that's always baffled me, why do UFO's fall into the "supernatural" category so often... maybe paranormal, but supernatural?
Definitions via wikipedia The supernatural (Medieval Latin: supernฤtลซrฤlis: supra "above" + naturalis "nature", first used: 1520โ30 AD)[1][2] is that which is not subject to the laws of physics, or more figuratively, that which is said to exist above and beyond nature. In philosophy, popular culture and fiction, the supernatural is associated with the paranormal, religions and occultism. It has neoplatonic[citation needed] and medieval scholastic origins.
Paranormal is a general term (coined c. 1915โ1920[1][2]) that designates experiences that lie outside "the range of normal experience or scientific explanation"[3] or that indicates phenomena understood to be outside of science's current ability to explain or measure.[1][4] Paranormal phenomena are distinct from certain hypothetical entities, such as dark matter and dark energy, only insofar as paranormal phenomena are inconsistent with the world as already understood through empirical observation coupled with scientific methodology.[5]
Basically as UFOs are usually hypothesized as just something with technology a few decades or maybe even a few centuries ahead of us I find the definition of "supernatural" a tad inappropriate for them.
While I find the idea that aliens have been making regular tourist stops to earth extremely unlikely, it is leaps and bounds in probability above, ghosts or spirits
TabsAZ ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:25:58 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Even if it was aliens or whatever that's not "supernatural" though - I wasn't aware of anyone claiming these were ghosts or something lol...
nastyn8k ยท 332 points ยท Posted at 15:19:16 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
How many different photos were taken of the event?
adavidmawk ยท 439 points ยท Posted at 15:26:39 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Many. and video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ymCmI-MvIeU
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[deleted] ยท 25 points ยท Posted at 17:01:06 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
http://www.skeptic.com/eskeptic/08-05-21/
kelustu ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 18:19:38 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Not sure I entirely follow his "debunked" logic. I don't believe that they were UFOs over Arizona, but the fact that one guy said he and his mom saw airplanes out of a telescope seems weird. The government passed both events off as flares. If it was a formation of planes, the government would have known that (FAA, anyone?)
Also, neither event looked even REMOTELY like flares dropped by military planes.
Delbunk ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 23:16:34 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
How were they not UFO's over Arizona? Unless you know exactly what they were, it is a UFO.
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theqmann ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:32:28 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
is there a military base nearby to this place where they could be doing exercises?
kelustu ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:37:58 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
That would make more sense if the images weren't as static. People saw the V formation of planes, but they were supposedly traveling at 400 MPH. The flares were the explanation for seeing the planes at each of these places. Wouldn't the set of lights double for a bit when the planes dropped a flare and were still right by them, assuming each plane dropped a flare?
I also have a hard time believing that the military would be flying over major cities and dropping flares.
Again, I don't think it was a aliens, but the "flare" logic seems a bit off.
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kelustu ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:47:42 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
There weren't any reports of the lights flying past and then re-appearing, which would be delayed ignition on the flares. All of the stories say that they flew over and were gone.
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There is these 2 places as well. first goes into the triangulation of the location of the lights , seconds shows a daytime point of view of the lights overlaid with the nighttime footage around the 5 minute mark.
http://brumac.8k.com/phoenixlights1.html has all the science stuff explaining it. here is the video I remember seeing explaining it. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l2wLVRVKWAg
euL0gY ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:56:12 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
What are you talking about?
That's terrible logic...
If you watch the videos it's quite clear they couldn't be planes.
Besides that's TWO witnesses...hardly enough to say they couldn't be wrong.
My best guess? Experimental government crafts.
I hate "skeptics".. they're so close minded and deathly boring.
GAMEchief ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:24:13 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
tl;dr
First set of lights (the V shape) was a bunch of planes.
Second set of lights was "a string of flares dropped by the Maryland Air National Guard over the North Tac military range."
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animalcollectivity ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:37:33 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
This is the most 90s video I've seen in a while
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TK503 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:08:19 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Is there a possibility for an elaborate hoax where separate flares were used? Or maybe it was a test on a new set of flares but they burned at unpredictable rates.
WHERESMYNAMEGO ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:41:28 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
No. This can only be psychic alien ghosts
TK503 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:42:23 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
You're probably right.
TheBigBongTheory ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:14:52 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
ENHANCE!
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camsnow ยท -6 points ยท Posted at 16:59:13 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Man, everytime I see a UFO video, it's sooo shakey! It always looks like it was shot by Michael J Fox!
nlg7 ยท -11 points ยท Posted at 16:36:44 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
The way each light emerges one by one in a perfect line is amazing. I don't understand how anyone can say this is something that comes from our world. Definitely interesting.
Motolix ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 17:05:50 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Because it was 1997, drone technology had long existed and been used in the thousands for 2-3 wars prior? Not saying that's what is it, but I can certainly see why people are not jumping on this as proof of anything.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unmanned_aerial_vehicle#History
TK503 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 17:09:38 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Just because it's unexplainable does not mean it is other worldly.
nlg7 ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 17:16:45 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
There still isn't any verified proof of what caused it. Until then, I'm perfectly okay with my opinion that it's otherworldly. And it's perfectly okay for you to try and prove what caused it. Maybe you could be the one to figure it out and disprove any other theories, who knows. Then it'll settle any controversy such as this. Overall, I left my comment to share my opinion. Not to start any big debate. I'm fine with discussing what other possibilities are out there to describe this phenomenon, but in the end it's still just an event that occurred that is still up for debate among those who are capable of determining whether or not it's legitimate. It was nice discussing this with you. Have a good rest of your day :)
LimboLimboLimbo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:43:03 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.
No one has ever been able to prove any supernatural phenomena.
It is 99.999% likely it was caused by something physical. Its a leap to go from we don't know for sure----> must be supernatural
TK503 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:56:47 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Well here's my take on why it's not other worldly. The universe is just too big, We can see across the milky way galaxy but we know that looking at the end of the galaxy is the same as looking about 100,000 years in the past. And that's just the galaxy itself.. there are trillions upon trillions of other galaxies out there, so the thought that aliens from these far, far off galaxies are coming hundreds, hundred of thousands, millions of years (provided they can travel the speed of light) just to visit a planet that they would not have detected any life as we know it at the time they discovered earth because their representation of earth was thousands or millions of years old is literally just self importance. I cannot accept that this is other worldy because i refuse to have the selfish mind set that is "we are the center of attention." But shit, I bet the northern lights probably came from god to those who saw it first before we discovered what exactly created the northern lights.
nlg7 ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 17:19:55 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Whoops, sorry about that. That reply was meant for another user messaging me about the same issue.
hothose ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:50:26 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
You mean like a straight line an airplane flies?
nlg7 ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 16:56:03 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I meant like how the lights emerge in a sequence. You see it starts off with just one, then another, then another, and they're all perfectly spaced apart. It's just strange, but also pretty cool.
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nlg7 ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 17:03:12 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Sorry, I'm not able to see the video. I'm on a mobile device and it's not compatible.
nlg7 ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 17:01:01 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Well, think about it: you see an airplane flying at night and it always has the light on. And it has another blinking light on it. These lights all emerge one by one. I don't think a pilot flying at night would say to himself "I think I should turn my light on now". And the fact that the original comment with the picture says the lights were played off as "flares". Why not airplanes? Because airplanes don't do that. It's just something to think about. You don't have to believe it, but it's still interesting to see things like this and realize there's nothing else like it.
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nlg7 ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 17:09:26 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Hey, man. This thread was just for entertainment. I choose to believe this phenomenon originated from something otherworldly, and you choose to believe it doesn't. It's no big deal. It's just pretty cool to look at a bunch of videos and pictures of stuff that a bunch of people find interesting and inexplicable. No need to try and explain how it's not caused by something from this planet. There's no harm in believing in it or not, just something to think about.
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nlg7 ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 17:21:26 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
There still isn't any verified proof of what caused it. Until then, I'm perfectly okay with my opinion that it's otherworldly. And it's perfectly okay for you to try and prove what caused it. Maybe you could be the one to figure it out and disprove any other theories, who knows. Then it'll settle any controversy such as this. Overall, I left my comment to share my opinion. Not to start any big debate. I'm fine with discussing what other possibilities are out there to describe this phenomenon, but in the end it's still just an event that occurred that is still up for debate among those who are capable of determining whether or not it's legitimate. It was nice discussing this with you. Have a good rest of your day :)
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nlg7 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:28:53 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Well no. I can see how you would have other theories. It's just that there's many other issues worth getting flustered about, and the idea of aliens over Phoenix in 1997 isn't one of those for me lol. I'm not trying to bash you or anyone else. Just trying to share how I feel and respecting your opinion as well. I'm just here to browse and happened to leave a comment with my opinion that you don't agree with. Not a big deal. Nice talking with you.
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LimboLimboLimbo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:48:22 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
That doesn't seem compatible with your original post where you said you couldn't understand people that thought these lights were from here on Earth.
LimboLimboLimbo ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:45:56 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
You know there are other types of aircraft other than commercial jetliners, right?
ChillyCheese ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:09:09 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
To me it looks like an aircraft is banking and releases some sort of flare at regular intervals. It would be much more convincing if the lights all appeared at the same time, or they were placed in a more non-continuous fashion. The fact they all "burn out" in the same order they were lit, and have a shimmering at the end like a dying flare...
Sure they don't look like normal flares since they remain still (at least, apparently; don't know their altitude), they might be new flare the government was testing which work as little low-thrust rockets to maintain altitude for extended accurate signalling.
slingmustard ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:42:20 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
According to the skeptic link dropped by Ender1337otron, there were two different events that night which were later reported as a single event and caused much confusion. The first event was a formation of airplanes at 8pm and the second was a string of flares dropped by the military at 10pm. At some point, the two events were reported as one, depicting a circumstance that could only be explained, at the time, as supernatural.
LimboLimboLimbo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:44:11 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Because that is the simplest and most likely explanation, and no one in history has ever been able to prove anything supernatural.
nlg7 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:57:13 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Since I'm not able to edit my comment using the device I'm on now, I would just like to mention that I definitely should've worded my comment differently. I understand how my original comment makes it seem like I'm opposed to all other theories. That is not the case. I didn't mean to come across as ignorant and close-minded. I just find the video incredibly interesting and wanted to share my own opinion but should've worded it in a way that doesn't oppose anyone else's opinions. My inbox is exploding right now and honestly I'm just someone browsing a thread about supernatural stuff. I didn't come here looking for an argument, just wanted to see what people posted on this thread.
[deleted] ยท 31 points ยท Posted at 16:37:13 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
All I'm saying is, yes, we had aircraft flying in that area doing night illuminations. These guys were flying it. They were there. We can prove it. Whether people want to believe it was the mysterious lights, it's up to them.
โCaptain Drew Sullins, Maryland Air National Guard
nastyn8k ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 16:53:33 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, it seems silly to actually believe it was aliens after reading explanations.
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ZeroAntagonist ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 00:00:08 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Clearly! http://i.imgur.com/gWtabfk.jpg
IkLms ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:20:34 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Oh I must see/read the evidence for this claim. I'm sure it'll be amazing
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IkLms ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 03:01:03 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Says the person claiming that this series of lights was "depicted" in an air battle in 1561 and provides no proof.
Shadax ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 15:40:23 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Google turns up all very similar looking images. Wikipedia says this:
torncorn ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:31:46 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
It was a hoax. Road flares tied to balloons
slver6 ยท 1586 points ยท Posted at 15:20:22 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)*
I remember these lights too, I was in a restaurant eating a hambueguer with my family, it was like, "we are doomed, well, lets enjoy our last meal"
HoochieKoo ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 16:57:54 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
If the lights were stationary then photographs from different positions could be used to triangulate the positions of the lights in 3D space. Not sure if this would be useful but fun to do nonetheless.
azsheepdog ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 18:49:50 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)*
This was done http://brumac.8k.com/phoenixlights1.html has all the science stuff explaining it. here is the video I remember seeing explaining it. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l2wLVRVKWAg
watsons_crick ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:23:51 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Here is where everything gets strange. For years I thought there was only 1 event, up until about a month ago. I guess hundreds of people had witnessed a triangle like thing actually fly over Arizona. After this, the entire area then witnessed the military drill that everyone caught on camera with the flares.
So there were two events the same night, one with (to me) flares and the other with something that actually flew over the entire area. Many claim that the military was trying to use the flares as an excuse for the first sighting to cover it up.
It's just crazy to me that nobody ever mentions that these phoenix lights were actually the second event, the first had fewer (but many) witnesses and actually flew over and beyond the city, according to witnesses.
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Type-21 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:33:18 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
in German it's spelled Hamburger. Just uppercase, nothing else different.
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lukin187250 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 16:45:55 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
My question is what made them clearly different from Chinese Lanterns? Chinese Lanterns get called "mysterious lights" all the time.
slver6 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 16:55:43 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
maybe the fact that the lights are moving of position but keeping that pattern as the picture
lukin187250 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:09:24 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
The lanterns can kind of do that, plus that is pretty much the exact same color and brightness.
Haxford ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:15:17 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
If it was lanterns why would the military try to convince us they were flares from an exercise?
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warr2015 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:34:48 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Um wtf happened was there a cover up here?
Ilikefrogs ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:06:03 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Same year (about the time MIB came out) north of Seattle, I saw something that looked like this except it was green.
http://skymania.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/satellite_breakup.jpg
It scared the living shit out of me, as I was fresh out of the Army and had also grown up on military bases - and I knew this was not any kind of aircraft flown by human beings.
Berko- ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:43:17 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
That is the most interesting spelling of hamburger I've ever seen.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:02:46 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I would like to by un damburger
MyUsernameIs20Digits ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:11:15 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Ok the suspense is killing me. So did you enjoy the hell out of the meal?
slver6 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:01:16 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, it was out of this planet
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slver6 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:57:14 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Well no... But there are ones of the size of a mid pitza and fiรฑled with things... A lot of thingsss
slver6 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:00:43 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I had enough of posting using a smartphone
x1expert1x ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 16:15:53 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
You sound like a 12 year old begging for karma by pretending to be there.
slver6 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:26:04 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
well is the only weird thing (of that kind) I have seen in my life, but you are probably right about the karma.
aazav ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 17:12:56 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
let's*
Learn this.
Harry_Seaward ยท 68 points ยท Posted at 15:31:21 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I saw something very similar in approximately 1996 in the Mojave Desert. 3 lights just sort hung above the horizon for a few minutes. There wasn't really a way to guage if they were near or far. I was in the Army and working and couldn't just sit and stare. After a few minutes, I looked back again and they were gone. I just assumed they were helicopters.
[deleted] ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 16:38:52 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Probably related to Edwards Air Force Base
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:33:43 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Having lived there... yea probably something related to the base.
Sikeliotes ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:22:05 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Reminds me of the Marfa Texas lights.
Blink180spew ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:38:33 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I swear myself and my aunt and sister saw this exact same thing in the desert driving from AZ to San Diego. They were flashing on and off way too high up to be a tower and too far apart to be a plane.. Forgot about it until now..
3gaydads ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:02:51 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)*
A friend and I saw 3 lights, each in a point of a triangle, hanging in the sky for at least a few minutes when we were walking home from sports practice. They were a kind of weird, deep, colour and, like you, we couldn't tell if they were near or far but the light kept the same intensity. We turned a corner and they were blocked from view but when our path towards them resumed they'd disappeared entirely.
This was late 1996, in the countryside southwest of Horsham, Sussex, UK, and must've been around 8 or 9 in the evening. It was dark and there was no light pollution. They were positioned southwest from us, somewhere about 55 - 65 degrees above the horizon (pure guess work on the figures but nowhere near the horizon nor straight up above us).
We used to see some air traffic round there as we were within spitting distance from a flight path out of Gatwick airport but these lights were nothing like the ones you got on the planes that we used to see and they were in a different part of the sky. Also, the lights were too far apart to be on a aeroplane and the lights were too big.
I remember it like it was yesterday and never saw them again or seen anything like it since.
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I saw something very similar in the Red Sea in 2010. I was on watch on the starboard side of a small (108 ft) vessel in the middle of the night. I was quite bored yet I saw something huge in the distance coming up on us quite quickly. I thought it was a cruise liner or a carrier because the lights were off the water quite far and it was hauling ass. I asked if we had any carriers in the area or anything on radar, nothing. I pulled out the NVG's and I couldn't make out anything but the points of light but they were very high, stories off of the water.
It overtook us and I couldn't make out how big it actually was (its funny how points of light at night can be so deceiving). I was calling it in the whole time and had put my machine gun on condition one (without being told to, big no-no). I was just so freaked out and it seemed so close. I couldn't hear a thing though.
The other people on watch came out to see it as it overtook us and the captain was trying to hail it but got no response. I don't think it was actually on the water because we would have gotten waves against the side of our hull after it overtook but we had nothing but placid seas.
A friend told me another guy had a similar experience near the Bab Al-Mendeb and I should talk to him about it when we got back. I asked him about it after a few drinks (months later) and I've never seen someone shut down so quick. His face got very serious and he said 'I don't want to fucking talk about it so shut the fuck up OK?' and finished his drink. Very strange ...
jamesccardwell ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:58:38 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah there are a few R&D military bases in the Mojave desert. Weird stuff but not supernatural.
Fawful ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:59:14 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Makes you wish for a nuclear winter.
Aqua-Tech ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:35:49 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
They probably were. Or if not Helicopters, it's likely that they were some other (potentially experimental in that region) military aircraft.
UFO enthusiasts conveniently ignore the ACTUAL statistical likelihood of an alien race ever discovering the Earth, let alone the possibility of them being capable of interstellar travel.
Proc31 ยท 215 points ยท Posted at 15:38:10 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
http://skeptoid.com/episodes/4041
azsheepdog ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 19:05:29 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)*
http://brumac.8k.com/phoenixlights1.html has all the science stuff explaining it and triangulation of the location
here is the video I remember seeing explaining it. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l2wLVRVKWAg
stanleythemanley44 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 20:20:11 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
This should be closer to the top.
This video clearly shows that the lights were just flares in the distance.
Oh well... puts away aluminum foil hat
azsheepdog ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:28:23 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
actually updated the first link, it was just page 5 of this one. more info
CockGobblin ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 20:08:36 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
SKEPTOID... love his articles :)
armorandsword ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 17:13:26 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
This should be the top comment.
MooseEater ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 19:05:25 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I'm surprised at the lack of skepticism in a Reddit thread.
armorandsword ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 19:10:09 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I wish I could say I was! This type of post surfaces pretty regularly and it's always packed full of the same old "I'm not normally a believer in the paranormal but this can't be explained"... And then they post the photo of the Phoenix/Hesselden/Marfa lights or whatever.
Reddit has a decent number of generally skeptical users although often there's the token pseudo skepticism and sacred cow worship. You'll even notice that many of these posts actually identify the most likely source of the phenomenon but then dismiss it.
stanleythemanley44 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:16:10 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
We want to believe.
rivermandan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:00:52 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Why? this is pretty much par for the course around here.
ThrillinglyHeroic ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:10:16 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
These threads always draw the conspiracy theorists out of the woodwork.
edsq ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 18:13:14 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
This is clearly a government-run website to perpetuate the flare conspiracy. I know a flare when I see one and don't want to see a UFO, and that night I wanted to see a UFO. Your logic can't drown out my anecdotal evidence.
chrism17 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 20:26:39 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Thank you, I love skeptoid.
wordsandthingies ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:25:17 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)*
Debunking the debunker:
The first mass sighting that evening was several hours before the flares.
He needs to at least mention this to have a good argument.
EDIT: If the first mass sighting is so easy for you to just dismiss, consider the larger context of all the retired high-level government officials and contractors coming out now with testimony about what THEY saw. (http://www.youtube.com/user/SDisclosure)
At some point it becomes strange to keep blowing off the eye-witness acounts.
Proc31 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:27:09 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
According to?
wordsandthingies ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 17:39:01 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
All of the debunking videos focus on establishing that footage corresponds with flares known to have been dropped at something like 10:00 that night.
There were mass reports coming in on emergency lines, etc. at something like 8 pm.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phoenix_Lights#First_event_2
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:45:30 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)*
They already explained the video taped event at 10 pm, which I'm assuming was similiar to the first non-videotaped event. As the *Maryland Air National Guard already said they were dropping illuminating flares from jet planes, we can assume it was *Air National Guard dropping illuminating flares from jet planes at 8 pm too.
Note: I cannot open the skeptoid.com link via proxy nor direct link.
edit: Maryland National Air Guard, not Air Force (or is it part of the Air Force?)
Frozeth29 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:09:16 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
No flares, just cars
5_10 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:19:10 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
It looked like houses were playing with their lights together on a mountain ridge. I thought I could see the outline of the mountains at one point. I saw them turn on an off, not any actual movement of visible light. Flares make sense.
edit: Occam's Razor
DunkanBulk ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:13:59 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Anyone find it kind of odd how the first one was seen in spring of 1997 and then the next one was discovered in the spring 10 years later?
SkepticalZack ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:22:11 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Thanks for linking.
GSpotAssassin ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:32:50 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Worldviews that presuppose existence OR nonexistence of anything unique (such as either the skeptic worldview or the true-believer worldview) are both invalid and nonproductive.
Cautiously open mind is the only way to go here because the above 2 worldviews are BOTH self-reinforcing via selective bias.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 20:41:07 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
That's an invalid point. Skepticism is NOT the rejection of evidence.
It's the holding of evidence to the highest standards, following logic, Occam's Razor, and the willingness to pursue difficult truths, and change the position according to the truth as it's revealed.
When people typically cry out that skeptics aren't being "open-minded" it's usually because they are clinging to evidence or a way of thinking that is at odds with the truth, or at least the best evidence that is out there. Accepting claims at face value, anecdotes, spurious marketing, etc. is absolutely NOT being open-minded.
To only accept evidence that stands up to testing and scrutiny, while rejecting that which does not, is not a 'bias' or lack of perspective.
GSpotAssassin ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 21:15:09 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)*
That all sounds nice in theory, but in practice, anything that does not fit into a current understanding of the universe is dismissed out of hand or the evidence is stretched in such a perverse way to fit the current worldview that it strains all sensible credulity.
The problem is, what is considered the "current worldview" has been changing pretty consistently (and sometimes with big paradigm shifts) for pretty much all of recorded history. To assume that that pace has somehow slowed or stopped seems incredibly naรฏve to me.
A skeptic will be the last one to say "I just don't know what that is, but it does seem remarkably peculiar."
200 years ago, people who reported meteorites falling from space were ridiculed as frauds, liars or simply poor observers. "The idea of matter falling from the heavens is completely ridiculous," said the skeptics. As they should have, I guess. The reality of meteorites was not yet a part of the currently-accepted worldview.
Skeptics might think they're scientists, but they're not. They're just curmudgeons upholding the current status quo. Otherwise they would identify thenselves as scientists and not skeptics. A skeptic will stick to the null hypothesis until it is pried from his/her cold, dead fingers.
The problem is that there's a certain class of evidence that is largely based on eyewitness testimony, and this is where skeptics thrive due to the fact that eyewitness memory is notoriously unreliable. This to me does not mean that all unusual observed phenomena are theoretically explainable using current understandings. A skeptic would disagree.
I'm actually considering going back to school to do research on mass eyewitness testimony to see if any validity can be teased out of it on a mass scale statistically. I studied perceptual psych in undergrad.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 22:16:39 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)*
That is what skeptisism is, regardless of whether or not humans are the best at it :)
But to address your points:
Well, something isn't declared as "does not fit into worldview" only after the evidence indicates that. It's not a dismissal out of hand, it's dismissal of things that are shown to not be plausible or possible, like overunity machines or homeopathy. If some new idea based on homeopathy comes out, it can be dismissed without review, because it's premise is one that has been proven to be false.
That's true, I don't think anyone was arguing that it wasn't. All new ideas are subjected to the same scrutiny, even the ones that turn out to be wholesale correct truth (more or less. You know what I mean). For example, Mesmerism and Einstein's theories were both put to the grindstone, and one of them is still around because it survived the scrutiny and review. The truth will always work it's way into the history, and the falsehoods will be slowly erased over time.
You're right. But a skeptic will be the first to say, "I just don't know what that is, but it does seem remarkably peculiar. Let's investigate what could be causing this phenomenon to make sure it is what it appears to be." Unexplained doesn't mean unexplainable, and there are some questions in the universe that can basically never be answered thoroughly.
Sure, 200 years ago, people thought black people were less than human and enslaved them. Things change over time. Skeptics are not people who go around denying things, that's the most pervasive strawman there is. That's essentially a misuse of the word.
Not really, a scientist is one who does science. All scientists should be skeptical, though. I was a scientist for a little bit while I worked in a research lab. I've been a skeptic before and after that period of time, too. The difference between a scientist and a skeptic is not that one is "upholding the current status quo" and the other is not. Your last point is also untrue, a good skeptic will accept that the null is false as long as the evidence supports it. Name something that was proven to work time and time again with GOOD evidence to back it up, but is rejected by good skeptics just because they "don't like it."
Okay, this is a big one. Yes, anecdote and testimony are unreliable. I think we can all agree on that. There's a bit of semantics at work here as well. "It was an optical illusion" or "You imagined it" are both explanations for some of these cases, but the real point is how could you ever decide that a given case without explanation must be explainable by things we do not currently understand? A light in the sky is just that, a light in the sky. We have no reason to assume something like alien visitation just because this one case lacks enough detail to investigate in depth. Leaving some things unexplained is fine, and skeptics don't object to that conclusion, provided there is no evidence to point it elsewhere. Current understanding of the world is literally defined as the best knowledge we have at a given time. You can't fault people who use it as the metric against which new discovery is compared. That's how science works.
Oh man, that actually sounds really interesting, (I'll be looking forward to it if it happens and you post about it on Reddit :] ). Unfortunately, mass witnessing has already been studied quite a bit, and certain social behaviors have been observed that pretty much ruin any reliable individual reports. An excerpt from Skeptoid episode 208 reads as follows:
"The Dandenong Journal reported at that time that only one teacher and "several" students saw the object, but by now that number has grown to 200. This number is probably artificially inflated by what behavioral psychologists call the bandwagon effect. When all of your friends say they saw something, you tend to say you saw it too, whether you really did or not, simply because you don't want to be left out or be considered inferior. Most of the witnesses were high school students, and that's an age when we tend to be highly conscious of our image and social conformity. Nobody wants to be the one who couldn't see the object.
That's at least one great example of that effect, there are others, although the only one that comes to mind immediately is the Miracle of the Sun in Portugal (I think it was this one).
Interesting points all around, but the general gist I'm getting is that you're grouping deniers and skeptics into the same group, but that's not correct. Even if people say they are skeptics, they have to prove it first :)
EDIT: I have a B.S. in experimental psychology, just throwing that out there.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 03:15:14 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
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BabyNinjaJesus ยท -17 points ยท Posted at 17:00:22 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
yea magic flares that dont leave any sort of smoke or trail that move incredibly fast on a dime in unison with other "flares"
yep... flares
[deleted] ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 17:05:50 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
They didn't move on a dime and there were smoke trails... They even burn out slowly like flares. Watch the videos.
moofunk ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 17:27:36 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
One thing I've learned from Skeptoid is that every story like this gets colorful additions some time after the actual observations, and it pays to notice when such statements are made.
Who said the lights "move incredibly fast on a dime" and when?
Bridger15 ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 17:18:23 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Most of the time, the reason that the "official" story sounds so suspect in cases like this is because the facts presented by conspiracy theorists are just completely made up. This post is a perfect example of people regurgitating made up information.
[deleted] ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 17:31:01 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Why do you think you would be able to see smoke at night?
Proc31 ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 17:04:05 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Did you even read the article? It sounds like you just skipped to the end and read the last line.
45flight ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 17:29:21 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
That last line is pretentious as fuck though.
CompactusDiskus ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 17:58:19 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I don't think you know what the word "pretentious" means.
45flight ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:31:59 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Would you prefer arrogant?
CompactusDiskus ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:19:36 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Sure, but that's not a valid argument against any of the points being made. That's just an attack on the attitude of the guy making them, and has nothing to do with whether or not he's right.
45flight ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:29:37 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Well that's all I was trying to do.
nodammityourewrong ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:10:54 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
are you in the military? have you ever dropped a magnesium flare at the same time as other aircraft, much less even seen one? no? shut up.
bearrwitness ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 19:44:24 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
No.
[deleted] ยท 1121 points ยท Posted at 15:45:34 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
most "UFO"s aren't "UFO"s because the government CAN'T identify the objects, its because the WON'T.
Most likely top secret government aerospace research.
[deleted] ยท 1649 points ยท Posted at 16:43:05 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
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trashitagain ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 18:42:26 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
These didn't zip off in the blink of an eye though, they just went out eventually.
[deleted] ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 19:42:31 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
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trashitagain ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:15:44 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Oh, I remember them well. I was 13, and I saw then with my own eyes.
Contronatura ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 21:20:44 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I'm sure that was just a coincidence, right?
ArrrGaming ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 23:01:41 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Honestly? It was probably some airmen fucking around in the first place. Whether it was classified technology they weren't supposed to use or a creative use of some normal shit, the first sightings were probably just people fucking about. People in the military do that kind of shit sometimes. Witness: The shitstorm around the video the Reddit's personal lord and savior Edward Snowden released, with the... uh... unprofessional radio chatter. US Military: Lots of college age kids who couldn't make it into college or couldn't afford to go. (I was the latter.)
Zissoo ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 19:13:12 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I'd gladly take it in the ass if I didn't have to deal with the airlines.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 19:40:42 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
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Daroo425 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:18:37 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
at least you don't have to travel by wooden ship or horse carriages.
[deleted] ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 17:25:54 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
If they do they are almost certainly drones, so don't feel so bad.
GameAddikt ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:32:50 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Same here, goddammit it I need to get across the world in the blink of an eye, stop holding me back OBAMA!
BitchinTechnology ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 18:02:27 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
the US military has stuff at least 15 years more advanced then the private sector. Hell some aircraft have been retired before they were even acknoledged
Dancing_Lock_Guy ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:33:26 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Mhmm. The SR-72 Blackbird that was made public recently, Mach-6, hypersonic missiles? Nothing compared to black-world technology.
iamnotinvisible ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:48:13 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Source for this being made public? I'd love to read about it.
Dancing_Lock_Guy ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:51:55 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Lockheed Martin News Release. Official source.
iamnotinvisible ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:56:44 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Fair enough. Thanks!
Dancing_Lock_Guy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:17:00 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Welcome!
[deleted] ยท 37 points ยท Posted at 16:48:38 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Helicopters?
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 16:53:18 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
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Godlesspants ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 20:01:01 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Several drone quadricopter programed to fly in formation could explain this.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:28:05 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
People reported seeing a black outline of a ship like lights on a zeppelin at night.
Camera technology of the era (and likely even today) lacked the contrast to display the dark body against a black sky.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 23:31:05 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)*
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[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 00:35:39 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Which is why everyone with a black cat or chow in the 90's has a big black blob in their photo collections. In good light.
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m4xd1ll0n ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 18:12:19 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Are you fucking kidding me?
michalfabik ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:09:35 on December 17, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
No, I'm fucking not. I'm seriously interested in those black cats that look like black blobs. Because I'm sure that what TheIrish7 is talking about are actually bad snapshots exposed for the bright background that fills the frame and not for the tiny black cat somewhere in the corner. Take a correctly exposed picture of a black cat and I guarantee you that you'll see every detail even with a cheap camera.
This wouldn't be an issue when taking a picture of the night sky because there's nothing to confuse the camera's metering.
Besides, considering that it happened in 1997, I refuse to believe that nobody took pictures with a film camera (film has far better colour rendition and dynamic range than digital cameras of that time).
burlycabin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:53:12 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Pretty hard to tell distance scale of objects in the sky from the ground.
space_guy95 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:24:27 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Helicopters are pretty slow and there's no way they could just zip off so fast when they can't do more than around 200mph.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:11:49 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Helicopters hover then lazily swim to their destination. The lights flew accelerated at incredible speeds and disappeared faster than any helicopter could handle.
I can't wait until all the secrets of the government today are declassified in 50 years.
ContentWithOurDecay ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 19:22:02 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I don't think you can catch a ride on a drone.
DrakesTwin ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 17:26:52 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
You'd be surprised at the technology we have. Also things don't become unclassified for a long long time. We started working on certain planes LONG LONG ago like early 1900's and they were just getting released recently.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:02:36 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Do we have footage of that? Or is that just talk?
braised_diaper_shit ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:11:19 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Or paying 5 dollars for a gallon of gas. Something tells me those things don't run on petrol.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:23:15 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 18:27:11 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:59:11 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Do you live in china?
Godlesspants ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:01:46 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Quadcopter drones.
Le_Deek ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:18:57 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
SR 71 Blackbird
Link 2
Just imagine it using cruise control, and then testing out speed ability versus tracers. One minute you see it, the next you don't....because it's pretty much in outer space after breaking MACH 3+
internetsuperstar ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:35:29 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Unless it wasn't manned in which case it's not hard to imagine basically a flying light with a jet/VTOL/helicopter attached to it doing exactly what you say.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:46:01 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
That could be an issue of perspective--ie, they seemed motionless because they were actually flying towards/away from you. It's hard to tell distance and size of a flying object.
That being said, I doubt the government would test secret aircraft over a city. However, someone else did mention hobbyists.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:04:13 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
There's more to it than that. Would you pay twice the price for a flight that would take half the time? Most people wouldn't.
https://medium.com/lift-and-drag/7885a299bca2
Noyes654 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:19:08 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
The SR-71 has been around since 64, just imagine what they are designing right now swoon
Jodo-Kast ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:24:50 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
You're talking about the same Government that kept Velcro out of public hands for years while NASA got to play with it, so it wouldn't surprise me all that much.
Epod15u ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:28:18 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Dat USA military budget...
percussaresurgo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:29:49 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
8 hours? You flying over Russia?
gvsteve ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:43:38 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
The ability to hover motionless won't speed up commercial air travel much. And it could be that the technology is ridiculously expensive and cost-prohibitive for commercial use.
Arbiter329 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:09:22 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I'd just wonder why they put lights on this prototype..
jubelo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:34:53 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
The problem with that is human bodies wouldnt be able to withstand that kind of g force.
Defengar ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:45:24 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Its possible. The Government is often poked at for being inefficient and wasteful (and it often is), but there are several tech oriented arms that are very good at what they do, and have (that we know of) been ahead of the private sector tech industry by 20 years. If you have a near unlimited budget and access to the best minds and equipment, you can do a lot of crazy shit.
bam2_89 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:52:14 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
It's possible to travel much faster, it's just a matter of cost. Remember the Concord?
etothepowerof3 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:20:20 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Think of the issues licensing that commercially though. I doubt you're fitting 300 walking mozzarella sticks onto one of those aircraft.
zoicyte ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:47:26 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Why? We've had technology to fly into space for 60 years?
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[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 17:27:25 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I'm just saying the technology is there. The helicopter that was used in the raid on Osama Bin Ladin was was described as almost silent even up close. Could've been a group of those or similar hovering aircraft in formation. The harrier is about at the end of its service life so it would make sense for a me one to be under development. Then again, maybe it was just a big ass alien space ship.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:30:21 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
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zanthir ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:33:37 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Nothing zips off in the blink of an eye that isn't a UFO or secret government Star Trek shit. We're talking from 0 to way past the sound barrier and still being silent in less than one second.
rj20876 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:38:19 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
F35C
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:25:33 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
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braised_diaper_shit ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:12:19 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
If the technology is being hidden or suppressed then that's the main reason for it not being commercially viable.
TheBlackBear ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:13:43 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
that sounds completely reasonable
BurritoFamine ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:33:04 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Read. "If"
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 18:21:47 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
a harrier equipped with a SCRAMjet can go from hovering to mach 12 in a matter of seconds, potentially going up to mach 24 (but it would fall apart if it went that fast)
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:05:59 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
No, it can't. A harrier isn't even a supersonic jet. I would love to know how a pilot survives that kind of acceleration as well.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:24:52 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:26:07 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
yo, im not trying to say I know what those are I responding specifically to the post
djaclsdk ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:33:30 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
gotta have patience. it takes some time for military tech to trickle down to become viable commercial products
DeFex ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:52:48 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Not only that but cause every camera within line of sight to go out of focus.
[deleted] ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 16:54:43 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 17:13:36 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Hundreds of miles of dessert? Yummy
isactuallyspiderman ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:58:04 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
The dessert of tasty UFO's
BbCortazan ยท 25 points ยท Posted at 16:42:36 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Also Boeing has a location in Mesa which is a suburb of Phoenix.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 17:53:02 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
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blackeagle613 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 18:01:44 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
dark grey
Mofptown ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:08:06 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
It is? I lived in Mesa for years and I was convinced nothing was located their.
BbCortazan ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:45:20 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, it's practically the only thing in town that isn't a strip mall or neighborhood.
al_v_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:55:20 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Wouldn't exactly call it a suburb...
BbCortazan ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:04:13 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
As a lifetime resident, I certainly would. Albeit a large one.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:56:28 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Undisclosed Flying Object
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:24:37 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
In the middle of the city? Unlikely.
MyersVandalay ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:20:55 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Quite true... makes perfect sense why the airforce is the group usually at the center of investigating these things.... and I'm pretty sure it isn't because we think we are going to stop an alien invasion with a fleet of b52s.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:56:16 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
or I think its now an open secret that "Area 51" was really a top secret aerospace research facility.
Rabid_Chocobo ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:32:37 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Seriously, why else are there always UFO sightings near the MILITARY BASE? In World War 2, the allies shocked the world with their sonar technology that let them see submarines in the dark. I say that the only positive side to another major war is that we're gonna see some crazy futuristic shit on the battlefield
ryanguy86 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:00:30 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
The have prohibited air space for that kind of thing to avoid public speculation and incident with other aircraft.
oface5446 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:02:57 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Could have been. I remember a convoluted story being attached to it where the military basically came in and dropped flares the following night
Skoolz ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:19:02 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
If this is true, I don't understand why they would be so careless and let it just happen like that in front of the public.
kminsf ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:12:57 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Yep have seen this camping in anzoborega desert east of san Diego relatively close to an air force base
ZeePirate ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:51:14 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Why would they fly a secert aircraft over a large city when they have literally hundreds of miles of desert to fly over and avoid just about everyone from seeing it?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:50:26 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah. Saw similar lights one night while living near an airbase in Idaho.
joshcwy1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:03:59 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Why would they conduct top secret research above a highly populated city?
Fretboard ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:07:35 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
A top secret UFO-like military craft being flown over a largely populated area where it can be seen by everybody?
Yeah, that's even less believable than it being an ET UFO.
mjkelly462 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:12:55 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Why would they fly something like that over the 13th largest metropolitan area in the United States when it could be flown over a desert?
TheWhiteeKnight ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:14:32 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, and it just so happens that most of these sightings happen within range of Area 51, you know, where they test all their secret aircraft? I live in Vegas, and I've seen some weird shit flying over us. I'm almost positive it's just government testing aircraft.
MyUsernameIs20Digits ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:16:18 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
If my memory serves me correctly, the Phoenix lights "craft" was something like, a mile wide. There are no aircraft now that are that big, let alone 16 years ago. Not to mention it was completely silent.
2abyssinians ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:19:52 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
It totally seems like it must be military, right? But why would they test something over a major city? Unless the test was to see how people would react. If this was a military test to see how people would react, that is pretty creepy.
DarkStar5758 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:28:12 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
If they're unidentified, they're UFOs. Maybe not to the government, but to the general public they are. Although UFO is easier to say than alien spacecraft, so I imagine the term will eventually only mean that.
TheApeWhisperer ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:34:44 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
If it's top secret why would they place them directly above a city?
CookieDoughCooter ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:42:09 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah but why the fuck would they fly tons of top-secret aircraft above an extremely populated city?
DammitDan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:47:36 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Or that they're not UFOs because they have been identified, but they won't tell us.
So technically they aren't lying when they say they're not UFOs.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:51:04 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
That's a valid point, but I find it difficult to believe that such "top secret" action would be carried out anywhere near such highly populated area, and it being mistakenly done there seems like a high level of incompetence for such supposedly high level operations.
Unless the entire thing is more like a psychological experiment, seeing how would a large population react to an event like this. Could an illusion like that could be used to distract an enemy or whatever...
IContributedOnce ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:08:32 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Sure thing Obama. Or should I say... OVERLORD G'ORB-LAD
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:55:15 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
what does this have to do with Obama, the vast amount of classical "UFO" sightings happened long before he got into office.
IContributedOnce ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:02:02 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Government. Obama. I don't see how that correlation was missed, but it doesn't really matter because it was just a joke. Sorry to take a crack at Obama outside of /r/thanksobama.
Balony1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:38:14 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
"Lets do it above a populated area, they'll freak the fuck out lol"
GSpotAssassin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:29:47 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Why the fuck would you fly anything top secret in full view of thousands of people? That makes absolutely no sense.
Do you know how many years they kept the F117A a secret? (Many.)
JustBigChillin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:14:02 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Why fly it over a large city for everyone to see if its "top secret"?
nameless88 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:48:54 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
When you learn about how god damn massive space is, and how far apart everything is, it kind of makes it easier to not believe in UFOs.
I mean, why would something travel for years (at least, assuming it's going at the speed of light) just to flip around in our sky for like 10 minutes and then zip off to draw dicks in a corn field and put stuff up a redneck's ass?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:19:29 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
THE WON'T!!!
twerkmaster666 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:43:56 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Good point. Anything that moved slowly enough for a human to look at, or take a picture of would definitely be picked up on radar, and then intercepted. I find it hard to believe that a super advanced civilization would somehow fly more than one lightyear to earth, then cruise around for a bit at a few hundred miles per hour.
EeeZee ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:47:01 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
i know it's picky, but i'd respectfully disagree. U stands for unidentified, not unidentifi-able. you could always keep stepping back farther and farther until you find yourself saying, ok, well the aliens know what it is, so... seems more relevant to speak of what is publicly disclosed because that's all we can ever know anyway by definition.
TadDunbar ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:42:04 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
If we're going for most likely, then it's most likely flares.
ThaBomb ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:56:17 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Just watched the video, they're definitely not flares. Most likely some secret government project.
LoveThisPlaceNoMore ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:52:16 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Most likely you have no idea and shouldn't really speculate until you have something solid to go by.
TheKeggles ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:20:49 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Why in the hell would the government fly a top secret whatever over a population instead of the fucking masses of wilderness that is about?
professorprolapse ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:44:21 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
THANKS for the EMPHASIS
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:53:54 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:57:21 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
well shit, now that you've put it that way, it must be aliens trying to make contact.
bertyewor ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:32:13 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
right. conducted over population centers cos that makes a lot of sense. when you think about. "you" meaning a complete fuctard of course.
Whalen ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:12:52 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Wait. What'd you call me?
Broken_stoic ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:36:59 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Over a crowded metropolitan city? Sure, bro.
jeanne_dfart ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 23:39:32 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
You have hit the nail on the head. Say no more! The government is indeed covering up their involvement โor should I say, lack of involvement in these lights. Honestly, I donโt think the government even knows how to orchestrate a project of this magnitude, and of this quality. You need a well-run private business like, say, StrexCorp, that has not only the faculties and materials to execute a unidentifiable and futuristic series of lights in the sky, but to do so inexpensively, and without tax dollars. Why, without StrexCorp, and companies like it, we wouldnโt have trade schools, or regulated behaviors, or insurance, or helpful pandemics, or black helicopters! Thank you for your comment, Davydagger1. What a great guy!
NazzerDawk ยท 46 points ยท Posted at 15:39:09 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)*
Which is more likely, flares that have hard-to-see smoke trails, or several alien crafts?
After all, they only have visible smoke trails if you are close enough to see the smoke trails. And this was nighttime, so there's no reason smoke trails would be easily visible.
TastyHemlockBev ยท 35 points ยท Posted at 15:56:59 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I'm going to kind of repeat myself from another comment I made- but I've seen these lights two different time. From a distance and closer up. From a distance, they are eerie and seem unnatural. Closer up, there was obviously a smoke trail.
sashimi_taco ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:07:46 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
From the video I watched it seemed as if the lights were going out in the order they light up in. Making it seem even more like flairs.
roflbbq ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:43:19 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I saw a video that superimposed the lights over the terrain of the area shown during the day. As the lights dimmed they would disappear behind the hills/mountains.
Sikeliotes ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:18:48 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
... When did the Phoenix lights happen again? I only know of one case.
Sikeliotes ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 17:14:54 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
This same argument was used against many great discoveries by man. It proves nothing at all.
Ps: in this particular case many people out of the thousand plus that seen it were experienced pilots, military and civilian, and none of them bought the flare theory. It flew directly over a town... It wasn't THAT far away.
paaty ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:47:04 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
citation needed for that ridiculous claim
whiskey4breakfast ยท 39 points ยท Posted at 15:23:38 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I just don't get it, even when something is explained completely some people just don't accept it.
use_more_lube ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 17:05:45 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
the "Aliens" version of conformation bias - some folks don't want to be refuted, or have their pet theories debunked.
I have a friend who I can't get to understand [Political view, supported by actual science, in many peer-reviewed journals and supported by credible agencies] because they refuse to accept that Fox News might misrepresent something on purpose.
This is just the supernatural version of that mental illness.
al_v_ ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 18:03:58 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
You werent there. those lights didnt move like flares
perkywallflower ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 15:22:19 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Those are up there a lot actually. I have a good view from my house. Nothing supernatural about it. Although one time downtown I did hear some weird loud booms.
Incursus ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 15:42:42 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Probably sonic booms from the F-16's that fly out of Luke AFB.
Iamsjj ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:53:37 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not sure how close you can get to those planes as they take off/land, etc. but I remember as a teenager driving nearby and them flying very close to our car. They're very loudโฆ it's a really great experience. I don't know if it's standard to be able to get close to them or notโฆ
Point being, anyway, that they're really loudโฆ I wouldn't doubt the boom.
mustafabot ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:06:43 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Probably just munitions testing or sonic booms. Although it's true that pilots aren't technically allowed to go supersonic over inhabited areas, it does happen. Add in the fact that Luke is a fighter base (fighter pilots aren't exactly known for following the rules) and you've got a recipe for sonic booms. The f22 pilots at Langley used to fuck around at transonic speeds all the time, especially the new ones. I used to take hour long smoke breaks to watch the raptor demo team practice their airshow routine every Monday morning and they were constantly pushing the transonic envelope, especially out over the bay.
ChemistryRespecter ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:26:11 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
It always reminded me of Orion Pictures.
SamTarlyLovesMilk ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 15:32:08 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Look like Chinese lanterns. I remember a similar UFO was spotted it Britain and Chinese lanterns was exactly what they turned out to be. If you all let go of them at the same time, they will usually stay roughly lined up like that.
moonbreazesfw ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 16:20:36 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Look at the video, chinese lanterns would have been lit on the ground and then floated up. These were already in the air and blinked on one by one.
LaudingLurker ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:03:58 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
We screwed around with an internal lining (paper and wax) to make them hard to see until they were up higher. It didn't work too well, but we didn't try very hard either. I had a science teacher who was trying to prove this very point.
Dumpster_Train ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:29:07 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Its not chinese lanterns. Source: I make chinese lanterns.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 15:20:08 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
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BrotyKraut ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:22:07 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
You can still see clouds at night, and the light of a bunch of flares would illuminate the smoke.
GTI-Mk6 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:28:53 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
What about like fireworks though? They produce a lot of smoke, but you don't see it.
BrotyKraut ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:33:04 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
You can usually see the smoke lingering after the lights are gone.
GTI-Mk6 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:44:19 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
The flares we're dropped over 70 miles from the majority of the PHX metro area, I'm not sure smoke would be as visible at light at those distances.
EpicMarz ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 15:22:19 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Flares emit light?
AHairySomeone ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 15:25:37 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Yes. That's essentially their main purpose.
RockFourFour ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:40:47 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
While we have you here, I have a question. Food provides nutritional sustenance?
AHairySomeone ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:57:28 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Only if it has nutrition.
MonsterMcDick ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:22:32 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Its lit by th flare....
Swithbert ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 15:28:55 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
They're back. They hover over east mesa/apache junction every so often.
ramblingnonsense ยท 56 points ยท Posted at 15:27:00 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Really fella? One of the most easily debunked and well-documented "sightings" is your pick for the most convincing photograph because you, personally, don't think they looked like flares? We even know exactly what kind of flares they are.
Well, kudos for sticking to your convictions, I guess.
GODZILLA_FLAMEWOLF ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:28:34 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
They're flares that disappear behind that big mountain. They didn't "turn off" or anything like that
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 15:46:25 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Public: OMG UFOS!
Military: No, they is flares/weatherballoonz
Public: Okay lol
CrippledHorses ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 15:52:30 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
2 weeks later. Public: WAIT I THINK THOSE WERE UFOS!
boy_aint_right ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:48:42 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Here's a flare that looks like it's in the same series for comparison link
aazav ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:13:40 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Flares fall down and go out after a period of time.
The military exercises started an hour after these were sighted.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:27:08 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Gosh, I thought it was a confirmed alien sighting. I'm so glad you're here to point out that there is a logical explanation. I look forward to seeing you further down the thread continuing to debunk all those 100% real supernatural photos.
ramblingnonsense ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:44:31 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I'm merely surprised that anyone still believes the Phoenix lights are unexplained.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:47:21 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
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ramblingnonsense ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:21:47 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Please point me to a video of the lights suddenly shooting away. that's not one I've seen.
[deleted] ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 15:51:37 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
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honkywill ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:00:54 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
why should ramblingnonsense be made to feel like a dick when the dick that is actually rambling clearly uninvestigated nonsense isn't called a dick?
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:47:39 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
It's strange how these unexplained lights and sightings always occur within close proximity of an Air Force base.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:11:28 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Although WALRUS-HULA was cancelled, other lifting vehicles have flown. My money is on the Phoenix Lights being produced by one of these.
[deleted] ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 15:21:40 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
look like those stupid lanterns (or variation thereof) to me
dzubz ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 15:30:30 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
The Phoenix lights are actually considered a great UFO case.
AnOnlineHandle ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 15:59:07 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
We know that humans could create those lights in a dozen different ways in 1997. Yet because hollywood movies have taught the idea that such things represent aliens, people think that it's more likely that intelligent beings crossed countless lightyears to put on a small lightshow...
Duckstiff ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:11:53 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I.e if they're intelligent enough to travel all this distance, there's a damn good chance they wouldn't have to descend and reveal themselves if they wanted to study us.
InternetFree ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:42:51 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Except they want to study how humans react to their appearance.
Maybe once humans start responding immediately with communication directed towards their crafts they will do something cooler. (Like animals reacting to the appearance of humans by trying to interact with them rather than running away or just staring suspiciously and calling their friends.)
Duckstiff ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:59:00 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Then wouldn't they do it properly rather than through a vague appearance that could be considering a number or other things. Or through the most delirious man possible who claims he was abducted and ended up on the mothership.
InternetFree ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:21:52 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Attitude towards unknowns and speed of reaction.
Maybe they want humans to anticipate such things and react quicker and more intentional, "just in case". Doing it in an obvious manner would defeat the purpose. That way you can just show yourself and everyone knows. This is about seeing how human react without direct interaction.
Fantasick ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:12:36 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
UFO does not imply aliens, it would seem that you are the one watching too many Hollywood movies.
AnOnlineHandle ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:35:46 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Sigh, in colloquial language it does, don't play stupid.
Fantasick ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:17:57 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Ah, the old colloquial language defense. I get your meaning. I guess I have just watched this video too many times.
Zmodem ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:24:42 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Right here, give this man (woman?) a cigar. This is exactly why I don't believe in the little pinpoint accurate visits by alien beings. Seriously, they traversed the cosmos to...illuminate for us a light show of dots in the sky?
[deleted] ยท -10 points ยท Posted at 15:41:28 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
yes. by idiots.
kontis ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 15:54:01 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Check the definition of UFO, idiot.
[deleted] ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 15:58:05 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
okay sexy
http://i.imgur.com/s1mrl.jpg
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:29:42 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
"This definition is undefineable."
dzubz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:00:33 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
You're an idiot. I bet you haven't read or seen anything about the Arizona lights.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:41:35 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
how much you wanna bet?
dzubz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:32:17 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
stupid
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:39:21 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
okay i'll bet ALL your stupid. hang on i better get a bucket.
dzubz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:46:49 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
dumb
Arbor_Lucidity ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:47:16 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not saying they're aliens but what rational explanation fits?
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 15:51:23 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
people see what they want to see. that's mine. i saw three ghosts in a window across the street when i was five. it was a vacant house where a little girl i knew used to live. saw them clear as day dressed in white robes with white hair. pointed down the road to my house and remember saying 'i'm going that way' and running home. do i believe in ghosts now? do i fuck.
Fake-Empire ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:08:21 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I don't know, do you fuck?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:10:50 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
are you coming on to me?
Duckstiff ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:12:55 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Wash your balls and you'll find out.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:45:47 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
don't ask the unaskable
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:22:33 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
On July 4th some people were putting up those lanterns above our city ( really stupid to do given that we're surrounded by potential brush fire) and they were really hard to see when they got high enough. With Phoenix's light pollution it'd be impossible.
MeatBody ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 15:30:31 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
The lights your seeing here are flares. The air force dropped them after the real sighting. If you listen to the people that witnessed the UFO it was a massive triangle craft that slowly made its way over phoenix just after the sun went down. It looked just like the one seen over Belgium years before this incident.
[deleted] ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 15:42:32 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 15:44:52 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
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MerelyIndifferent ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 15:27:22 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
A photo where you can't see anything but a few points of light is convincing?
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:02:02 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Hundreds of people saw them in person.
GTI-Mk6 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:09:54 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Which proves what?
MerelyIndifferent ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:00:15 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
They saw lights and didn't have the resources to investigate and figure out what they were... welp, must be ghosts right?
ZormLeahcim ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:42:51 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ymCmI-MvIeU
This any better?
MerelyIndifferent ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:02:31 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
No, not really at all. I see lights every day, nothing supernatural about that. Why they are in the sky I don't know, but there are 300000000 people in this country, there's a lot going on I don't know about.
calsosta ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:06:52 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Right? What am I being convinced of? It's not that it couldn't happen it's just that it wouldn't happen like this.
First you are telling me that for certain, extra terrestrial intelligent life exist. Something no one has been able to prove. In fact we have no sign of life. Only signs that life could be supported...MAYBE.
Then you are saying not only do they exist but they either exist somewhere pretty effin close or they have some sort of interstellar travel ability. Definitely possible but again not likely. If they did live close by and had just normal spacecraft, we'd have seen them coming and if it was some sort of interstellar crazy FasterThanLight ship I don't imagine would go unnoticed, but who knows.
Then you are saying that given that technology and their apparent ability to find life in the almost infinitely vast volume of space they pick US. Another statistical improbability.
Then you are saying that even after having picked us, they don't try to communicate first, they just come here. I don't know about you guys but if I go somewhere and I dont know if its gonna be open or not, i call ahead. I do it, we as a race would do it if we thought we found intelligent life, and so would any other species.
Then you are saying that even though they chose US. That they flew here to not make contact with us. Well maybe they are observing us, makes sense since they dont know what we are like. BUT OBSERVE US AND DONT TRY TO HIDE IT?? That makes no sense.
And then you finally try to tell me that after all that, and of all the places on earth they pick fucking PHOENIX? Are you bullshitting me? There is no way. Makes no god damn sense.
MerelyIndifferent ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:56:35 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Right, which is why it is most likely neither. But aliens are the only possible explanation If you don't think there's something else going on.
calsosta ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:14:32 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I cannot disprove aliens but the burden of proof does not lie with me.
MerelyIndifferent ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:33:34 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Uh yeah actually if you want to claim to have witnessed the first ever recorded supernatural event then the burden of proof is most certainly on you.
mrHaPPy18 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:22:39 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
UFO's are supernatural?
BenTheITGuy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:38:01 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I saw lights like these when I was in South Africa, they sorta raced each other but always stayed in their own lines
Shadax ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:39:29 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
More info:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phoenix_Lights
mebutnotyou ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:40:50 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
swamp gas
zippyajohn ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:46:13 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
To be fair its extremely hard to see the smoke trails at night from a small flare. The arrangement of these "flares" is what weirds me out
KIDSHADY50 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:49:15 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Dude no way I see things like that all the time I live on the outskirts of phonies and it seems like nearly every night I can go out side and see them I actually got a video of two of them, they just say there for awhile next to each other then one faded away (kinda like a flare) but the it was what the other one did that was creepy, it stayed there for awhile then I wouldn't say it shot up but it went up very quick like straight up then it disappeared . Pretty crazy.
Image_tracker ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:49:43 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
"Swamp gas, nothing to see here folks."
TowelstheTricker ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:49:51 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
This is probably the most legit mass viewed paranormal event in modern day history
shanebonanno ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:51:33 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I never thought these were supernatural. For sure something real, and for sure unexplained though.
stinkyfingur ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:51:49 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Even the governor at the time saw the craft. Fife Symington, Harvard educated, Vietnam Air Force Captain and pilot. Pretty credible as far as witnesses go.
alleks88 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:52:47 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Hessdalen lights are even more convincing
lapagecp ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:53:04 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
All this tells us is that you have yet to see a flare that does not leave a trail. At the very best this is unexplained. I see no evidence to support a supernatural explanation.
belavin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:53:05 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Wait, lights are supernatural? Even if it were frog people from Neptune, that's not supernatural. I do not think that word means what you think it means.
lilahking ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:54:09 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Illumination flares just look like points of light, especially in the dark.
In addition the human brain is really bad at interpreting distance, especially in the sky with no reference points.
Lochcelious ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:55:15 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
It was some other government craft or tech being tested or used.
typodaemon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:57:28 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not trying to be a dick or pick on you personally, this is just the first comment I saw with the line "it didn't look like any ______ I have ever seen." It seems like people always insert items into that blank that they wouldn't be very familiar with.
As an example, if a marine biologist says "it didn't look like any fish I have ever seen," I'll give them some credit. But usually it's a weekend fisherman saying the line.
Obi_Kwiet ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:57:48 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
How would you see smoke at night?
allmotorK20 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:04:29 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I was under the impression the flares would illuminate the smoke, but as I read the comments I see I could be wrong
alien13ufo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:02:16 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
swamp gas
CoZmiC_RevamP ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:04:27 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I love how they've tried to dismiss this as "flairs". Definitely. The flares just kinda of hovered without falling and appeared and disappeared out of order. Sure...
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:07:58 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
The creepiest bit of it all is that 4 men, at the same time and place of the sighting - disappeared, and still to this day their case is unresolved: http://www.maricopamissing.com/
Dildromeda ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:09:17 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I remember seeing this years ago on a TV show, then years later saw another TV show where a guy had removed the camera wobble (like what YouTube does) and superimposed the line of the mountain range that is hidden due to it being night time, and you could see that the lights disappear one by one as they drop behind the mountain range. That coupled with official flares reason given by the government pretty much dispelled any myth about this (for me anyway :) ).
Just searched for and found the video - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0We40rEs0ZY
Sorry if that ruins it for everyone :)
edit - shpellin
lifeintechnicoulor ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:12:29 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I heard that it was a parachute drop, but that was unproven.
RyanTG ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:17:54 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
All evidence points towards the lights being flares. Case closed.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:21:05 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Why are all the lights completely out of focus including on the ground?
no_en ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:22:28 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
It was a military exercise of helicopters flying in formation. People's minds just filled in the space between them and imagine one giant craft that wasn't there.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:25:56 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
it isn't that hard to make flares that don't produce smoke...
robertDouglass ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:26:47 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
They were apparently flares and the guy's neighbor even saw him launch them. http://www.livescience.com/2483-mysterious-phoenix-lights-ufo-hoax.html
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:29:20 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Probably the most on-point one here.
This was seen by an entire city, and there are many pictures and videos of it.
Definitely something fishy..whether supernatural, extraterrestrial, or some super secret government crap..definitely not on the up and up.
Vroome ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:33:18 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I was there going to ASU at the time and was on a date on South Mountain when it happened. I thought they were MIRVing nuclear warheads at first.
OriginalityIsDead ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:33:28 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Nah, Phoenix lights were probably just pareidolia.
Von_Miller ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:33:36 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
It still phenomenon still unexplained? It reminds me so much of the movie "Signs".
Grande_Yarbles ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:37:43 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
This might be khom loy, a Thai floating lantern.
I moved to Phoenix to study in 1997 and there was a rather active Thai club at my school. For special occasions they'd often launch khom loy which tends to follow each other in the sky depending on air currents. There's also a Thai temple to the West of town which also would sell the lanterns.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:37:50 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
All I'm saying is, yes, we had aircraft flying in that area doing night illuminations. These guys were flying it. They were there. We can prove it. Whether people want to believe it was the mysterious lights, it's up to them.
โCaptain Drew Sullins, Maryland Air National Guard
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:40:12 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Explained here http://skeptoid.com/mobile/4041
lukin187250 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:44:30 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
You know you don't hear of many UFO sighting these days and I think there is a simple explanation, if I'm an alien and I arrive at Earth, all I need to do is hook into the internet and I literally have access to every piece of information I would ever want to know about what is going on on this planet below me. I could just park my cloaked spaceship, download all the information and then browse Reddit for awhile and then zip away.
outfoxthefox ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:44:38 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)*
When paper lanterns are released they tend to form lines as they float. What you're seeing sometimes is a group of large paper lanterns that are caught in the same wind. That's all.
Go buy some large lanterns and release them. See what happens if you don't believe me.
Otherwise, very high altitude plane formations. Not very interesting.
avsa ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:45:36 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not sure of it's the same story but I do remember reading a while back that a prankster had tied a bunch of lanterns/lighted helium balloons together and released them so they would form triangles and other triangular shapes and freak people out.
Seems it fits the description..
Airazz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:46:12 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Consider this: researchers have been flying ten times faster than sound in the sixties. We can't even begin to imagine what they were doing thirty years later, or what they're doing now.
Those could've been remote controlled helicopters (agile as shit, can easily handle 60+ G loads).
Fempire ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:46:33 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
They were flares. There was even a tv special I watched that overlaid this video with a picture of the same angle during the day. Lo and behold, the flares disappeared once they went behind the mountain range.
oneAngrySonOfaBitch ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:51:08 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Its quite dark so that would explain why it was hard to see the trails, if you look at the videos they do leave trails.
Username_Used ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:51:32 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I kind of wonder about these. Could it have been someone with quad-copters and high powered LED's that they simply programmed to use GPS and coordinate their movements, then turn off their LED's and disappear?
dsclouse117 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:52:48 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Well we know those ones are flares. I was to see pictures of the first ones. Those were the weird ones.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:54:17 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
How do you expect to see smoke trails in grainy 90's vhs taken at nighttime?
antiward ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:55:26 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
The most amazing thing about this to me, was that despite the fact that 911 received tons of calls, none of the people calling were scared.
PickNeezo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:56:23 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I remember watching something on TV about these sightings. If I remember correctly they debunked it and said it was military flares that drop out of planes and float down, they drop several in a line and slowly decent down. Seemed right due to them fading one after another seconds after each other. I'm sure someone knows more about this than I do. Lol
MiggyEvans ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:56:35 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I agree that it's strange and beautiful in a way because of the mystery, but I will never understand how "can't explain it" gets to "must be supernatural/aliens".
I mean, we know we can build flying things, we know they have lights, we know the military builds new things in secret and tests them in secret, so while it's unusual to see, I'm not sure why all the other stuff gets skipped when seeking an explanation.
Erikthenomad ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:57:13 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I lights similar to this all the time. I'm almost positive its planes lining up to land at the airport. Just a thought
JobH ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:57:19 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Since the government tried to convince people it was flares, probably a secret test of cool airplanes.
Airiq49 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:58:02 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Why can't we see something like this with modern day technology? With this footage it might as well be a plate of spaghetti I'm looking at.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:04:27 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I'd like to believe this is some kind of Top Secret government project, or aliens, but it's probably just airplanes being lined up to land. The reason why the lights would seem to hang in the air is because they are flying in your direction. The reason why they disappear is because the airplanes adjust their paths slightly and the light no longer faces you.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:05:53 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I've seen a lot of UFOs. I don't consider them supernatural anymore. Aliens are people too!
esoraicirt ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:06:17 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I saw something similar to these lights when I was camping a few years ago. But there was just one light floating instead of a whole line of them. At first I thought it was a really bright firefly but I realized it was very far away, high up in the sky, and this ain't no bug. I watched it go very slowly across the night sky and then it was suddenly gone. I'm glad I was completely sober when I experienced that...even though everyone looks at me like I'm high when I tell that story anyway
drparker ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:06:29 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
AH yes the vee... havent we all watched mighty ducks. THE FLYING V PEOPLE HELLO... this is a standard flying formation for jets and thats all those lights were, the 10 o'clock sightings are the ones that the government said was flairs not the ones your showing in your image(the 8 o'clock sighting).
Ike_Snopes ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:07:09 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
The military eventually debunked this. They were flares. Something about the ridgeline of the white tank mountains west of phoenix enhanced the illusion. There is a damn base in the area and a lot of uninhabited desert right there too perfect for practicing and testing. Some tv show debunked it too. Wish I could remember. I can't believe folks still think it was aliens.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:07:10 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
It's CLEARLY flares. Why would our government lie?
thevel ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:11:54 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I saw something similar over new orleans in around 2006. I was driving to work over the bonne carre spillway towards the city. It was early morning but fairly light out. Just after dawn. Over the city about half a mile to a mile up I saw a cluster of spheres..maybe 20. They were moving together but in a haphazard manner, almost like they were circling something, but randomly one would shoot pretty far away from the others. I watched em for about two minutes driving into the city, looking around to see if other drivers were seeing what I was. I thought for sure someone would have stopped to take video or just get a better look, but no one was on the side of the road. Then they kind of broke up and and lifted upward but in all directions at once. I thought "holy crap!" and when I got into work turned on the radio and looked on the internet for news about it. Nothing. Talked to my coworkers and none of them saw anything. Nothing in the papers the next day either.
fuzzyglory ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:11:59 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Phoenix resident, i still see tons of weird lights hanging in perfect straight lines or patterns that a WAYS, a minimum of 50 miles, but still look as bright as a street light 10 feet away, with this eerie orange glow
armorandsword ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:14:14 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
It's not "any flare" it's several flares. It looks exactly like several flares dropped in a row.
umbren ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:15:09 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
They were planes...
LT-Riot ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:15:10 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
These really do look like slow descent illumination flares, the purpose of which is to fall very slowly and illuminate large areas for ground troops. They are typically shot from artillery in square or diamond patterns since that is most effective for illuminating areas. But they can also be dropped from planes in a line pattern as seen here. The ones from planes may be different but the ones I shoot are ideally used at 600 meters height of burst and have a descent rate between 3-8 meters per second in ideal weather. So from far away they can appear to be suspended in air. Not sure if that is what it is, but it looks just like it.
Source: I shoot a lot of illumination rounds (Army artillery)
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/munitions/m485.htm
that is the old M485, I believe there is a newer round out for 155m artillery systems that burns longer, same height of burst though, and same descent rate.
here is a video of Illum rounds being shot in a diamond pattern by artillery, this is what it would look like if you were up close. Seems like the same thing IMO.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=d7fb3XRjGRY#t=31
fuckfuckrfuckfuck ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:15:47 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Those are totally flares. I was watching a UFO show on Discover or whatever several years ago, and the Phoenix lights came up.
What was the nail in the coffin to me was when they superimposed video of the "UFO" and video during the day of the city. The lights (which appear to form some huge spacecraft hovering over the city) blink out one by one as they descend behind the profile of a semi-distant mountain. There was an airforce base nearby as well. I can't find the video right now.
Pure coincidence that the pattern in which they were falling seemed to form a shape.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:16:57 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
obviously Santa.
d8_thc ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:17:07 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Also, the Hessdalen Light Phenomenon
It's been studied for years. The prism on the water was formed by the lens, but it proves that the object is plasma and not particle (because its a blend and not a lined fuzzy spectrum).
Oh, and the lights have responded to lasers being shined at them.
Project Hessdalen
Mosi-oa-Tunya ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:18:09 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Could it have been people doing this?
ShallWeHaveAFootRace ยท 442 points ยท Posted at 15:43:50 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)*
Various UFO incidents would be your answer, but not the Capitol or Mexico City sightings.
The Phoenix Lights sightings were seen in different waves by thousands of people, including the Governor of Arizona at the time, Fife Symington. While some people witnessed the alignment of lights stretching over a mile long, others, beneath the object, witnessed what has been described as an upside down aircraft carrier, as seen by the Governor.
The 1976 Tehran UFO incident is one of the most well documented encounters of an air force engaging a UFO. In this instance, the pilots, one of which would became a general in the Iranian Air Force, attempted to acquire a radar lock on the target and each time they did so their weapons systems would experience temporary mechanical failure. The pilots estimated the object was moving at several thousand miles per hour and as is relatively normal with sightings of this caliber, the object was able to make right angle turns at enormous speeds.
The Belgian UFO wave was similar to the Phoenix Lights in that thousands of people witnessed the same stealth fighter looking object that was able to hover silently and make right angle turns at high speeds. The Belgian military was involved, quite publicly, and they were able to substantiate the object's existence via radar; however, during the many times in which fighter jets were scrambled to intercept the object, the object left the area at high speeds. One of the most impressive encounters during the UFO wave, was when the object hovered over a nuclear power plant at night, shined a light into its cooling tower, and subsequently took off at high speeds.
The Peruvian Air Force UFO incident, somewhat similar to the Iranian case, entailed a Peruvian fighter jet successfully firing rounds at the UFO and not damaging the UFO in any identifiable way.
The Stephenville, Texas UFO incident is interesting in that many people witnessed something similar to Phoenix: an extraordinarily large object that was silent, hovering, and was able to accelerate at high speeds. Many of the witnesses later reported that jets appeared in the sky after the appearance of the UFO, which led to claims it was the Air Force attempting to intercept the UFO. This was rejected by the USAF. After radar information was independently obtained by the FAA, the Air Force then retracted its earlier claim, now saying that 10 F-16 Fighter Jets were in the night sky during the UFO sighting; however, it was due to a routine flight, they claimed.
And lastly I'd use the Japan Air Lines flight UFO incident as another good example, where both those in the cockpit and cabin of the 747 witnessed 2 objects trailing the aircraft for close to an hour, one of which was described by the pilot as the size of 2 aircraft carriers.
Most of this info comes from Leslie Kean's book. She basically went around the world interviewing the people directly involved in each of these incidents, and several more, and got them to talk about their experiences on the record. She makes very clear that 95% of all UFO incidents can be explained one way or another, while there exist 5% that can't be explained by terrestrial science. I'm not sure if she's changed her view on the matter, but she does not publicly subscribe to any hypothesis as to what the UFOs are, while most of the generals, pilots and the Governor she interviews believe the extra terrestrial hypothesis to be the most likely answer.
Edit: Video of Kean making her case on MSNBC
And the entire Disclosure Conference at the National Press Club. Very interesting if you like UFO stories by credible witnesses.
CQReborn ยท 28 points ยท Posted at 16:22:17 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
That Tehran UFO incident is honestly the most intriguing to me. If they were simply aliens visiting to observe and collect data, it is pretty plausible that they actually let the jets get that close so they could examine them, which explains why they kept tapping out their ability to attack so they could maintain a close enough distance to check everything out before zipping off.
There is probably a more reasonable explanation, but it is fun to consider the possibilities. Maybe aliens have visited us but have decided we are too big an asshole to let in on FTL travel technology and are going to let us figure our shit out before they make contact.
moofunk ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 18:18:58 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Skeptoid again:
http://skeptoid.com/episodes/4315
It's basically one of those stories, where we just don't hear the whole thing, so it sounds more mysterious. In the end, there isn't much mystery to the Tehran UFO story.
Paladia ยท 22 points ยท Posted at 23:22:41 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)*
Both F-4's picked up and tracked something on their radar, impossible for an astronomical object like a star or planet. Many more details of the encounter do not match Dunnings proposed explanation, such as both F-4's and the control tower losing their electronics with close approach to the UFO and a third civilian plane in the region also losing communications.
A military spy satellite also recorded this incident. The DSP-1 satellite detected an infrared anomaly during the time of this event that lasted for about an hour
I do not buy his Jupiter explanation.
Dancing_Lock_Guy ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 05:03:04 on December 19, 2013 ยท (Permalink)*
Jafari's F-4 was known to have equipment failures. It could've returned an incorrect radar lock. The radar does not necessarily indicate that a hostile object was there. The second F-4 wasn't sent in for maintenance, so it's uncertain if Nazeri experienced problems with his plane, since he didn't speak about the incident. The civilian plane reported losing communications, but its proximity to the object is unknown. I haven't heard about the control tower losing electronics, or the military satellite. Could you supply a source?
I think the Jupiter hypothesis is valid for three reasons:
When the bright light was first reported by Tehran residents, the Shahrokhi Air Force Base saw nothing on its radar. This is indicative that the light was an astronomical object, since such targets cannot be tracked on radar.
Jupiter was in the direction where the object was reported.
Jupiters' brightness in the sky could account for the brightness of the reported object.
The strobing colored lights reported by Jafari are interesting. It's possible this could be an atmospheric effect. Compelling UFO cases document color changes in the ionized air surrounding the craft; this is related to levels of power consumption by the UFO.
The apparent hostility of the object--launching missiles--could be explained as the tail end of a minor meteor shower. The second missile was reported to fall straight down, leaving a bright trail, and lighting up the ground. This is consistent with meteor travel.
I don't think the object was an exotic craft:
No altitude data on the object. Cruising altitude for military craft is in the thousands of feet. I assume an object engaged in hostility with the F-4 would be near the F-4s altitude.
Object wasn't reported to change direction. If an object were performing evasive maneuvers' as in Jafari's case, it would be expected to change direction.
The case is interesting at first glance. But there isn't enough unusual data to pique my excitement.
__1984__ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:49:17 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Aliens have been visiting earth since before humanity even existed.
[deleted] ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 16:39:53 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
You forgot about this one; this happened in Campeche, Mexico. I think they used infrared cameras to capture it.
DimeShake ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:58:33 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
That's amazing.
appleburn ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 16:42:47 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Excellent post. There are many many more, but these are the most legitimate. Also check out the Colares Incident, seems like this one gets no love, but is my favorite. Space ships shooting lazes at people, Brazilian military getting involved seeing the same thing, people dieing from high radiation, etc
The US AF investigated after the incident and wrote it off as Mass Hysteria, which I think is BS. Are they saying the brazilian military including the whole island's population of Colares went crazy and was making this all up? Also coincidentally had people get extreme radiation poisoning and one actually die?
Spartyjason ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:13:47 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Nice post. I'd seen some of these, but not all.
pumpmar ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:12:13 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
There was some town in Texas that saw a UFO in the 1800s, like way before air planes. They claim they even burried the alien bodies. I'm too tired to go look for a source though.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:11:26 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
That is really interesting. Thanks.
tripomatic ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:13:06 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I'm from Belgium and I've never even heard of the "Belgian UFO wave". Will definitely look up more about it though.
Danzo3366 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:43:40 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
This will just sound hearsay for a lot of people, but I do remember sailing on my frist apprentice ship as a Merchant Sailor. We were actually sailing towards Kuwait and passing along that entire region, and I remember really late at night I kept seeing a mysterious aircraft going vertical super fast, that it down right just looked highly unusual. Then it went passed the ship and simply disappeared.
spamholderman ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 23:17:46 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Upside down aircraft carrier?
sounds like a superior mirage.
IAmTheBaron ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:43:43 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
saving for later, disregard this comment
Dan1573 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:04:39 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
How did the cockpit see them? Do planes have rearview mirrors?
ShallWeHaveAFootRace ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:29:19 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
The 2 objects circled the plane several times so I imagine everyone on board got a good look.
Eaglesun ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:53:30 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
and
well I'd imagine that'd be pretty terrifying
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:12:34 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
So in all those cases where there were hundreds of witnesses and the air force was involved (and had radar confirmations), did nobody have a suitable telescope and camera to take a clean picture?
maxfreakout ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:28:57 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Fife Symington:"A real pretty boy, calls himself the Governor"
Pitchcontrol ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:32:23 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I'm very skeptical to this kind of stuff but the Peruvian and Teran incidents are very difficult to explain otherwise; besides they are supported by a sane amount of credible evidence.
norternp ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:03:56 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Teran was only 5 years before the prototype flight for the F117. It doesn't seem unlikely that it could have been a US spy plane with an early stealth package.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:08:42 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I would suspect stephenville was a experimental flight exercize gone wrong or a training exercize in which F-16s were supposed to be the baseline for other nations aircraft, also would make sense for the USAFs swap in story as they were trying to keep people from figuring out exactly what the deal was with the aircraft UFO.
TheWierdSide ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:47:20 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I actually may have an explanation for the phoenix lights... But I'm no expert and I just thought it might be.
Very recently in one of the aviation subreddits I'm subscribed to, I read a post about the government revealing the new super spy stealth plane they they have been developing for 30 years or so in area 51(yup,its a real place) . They released a picture of it, and it is shaped in exactly a triangle. So maybe it was the plane doing exercises? The article mentioned that the plane was already doing test flights since the early 90's.
I just think it's too big of a coincidence that the government was building a triangle shaped secret spy plane and then seeing lights in the shape of a triangle over arizona, when the plane was supposed to be doing test flights.
Just my 0.02$ though.
It was in either /r/aviation or /r/flying
Edit: found the post
reden ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:33:12 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Photos or get out.
Netprincess ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:11:16 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Marfa lights not listed?
GTI-Mk6 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 17:58:08 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Proven to be vehicles on a highway behind the horizon, whose light is reflected similar to haze.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:11:55 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Sounds like the U.S. has had a next gen spy craft capable of right angle turns for a while then. The Iranian one makes it sound as if they've put some kind of hard coded IFF into US made aircraft to prevent their own planes or one of their allies from shooting it down.
Look at how long it took to declassify the SR-71 and tell me they aren't up to something super sneaky by now.
CookieDoughCooter ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:10:43 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Check the Rendlesham Forest Incident, though there are people that think it was debunked. Very creepy
MadAtHubby ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:48:32 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
The Rendlesham Incident is one of the most interesting reports of UFO activity ever reported, imo. I just watched the SciFi Channel's Paranormal Witness episode about it last week, I think. But I've seen a few interviews over the years given by those involved. And if I'm not mistaken, one or two of them spoke before Congress requesting more transparency from the government in regards to UFO sightings by the military.
Edit: autocorrect
beener ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:04:57 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Are ufo incidences supernatural? Never seen Sam and Dean fight aliens before..
somethingmen ยท 650 points ยท Posted at 17:45:59 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
A phenomenon where all the Hindu god statues began "drinking" milk.
This only happened for one day all around the world. Scientists try to explain it by capillary action and that theory would make sense if the phenomenon occurred on a regular basis but it only happened for one day.
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Lubricated_Cornhole ยท 86 points ยท Posted at 19:02:02 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
So, Hindus across the world all decided to feed milk to their statues? Was this a ritual or something?
Also, you can see the milk running down the necks.
pirate737 ยท 74 points ยท Posted at 19:49:45 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
and on the last statue there is milk all over the base of the statue.
Montezum ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:27:47 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Hindu Horse says: Ok ladies, i've had enough milk
edit: oh, it's a cow, i'm sorry
Wpken ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:54:42 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
it's literally standing in milk.
Sahil17 ยท 54 points ยท Posted at 20:16:05 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I'm Indian born to Hindu parents, and I just remember that day on TV it was the only thing that was on. My parents when they first heard about it didn't think much of it saying that's probably some small Hindu Temple acting like they found a "miracle" (kind of like the whole Jesus Cheeto.) But somehow it just blew up. Everywhere on the news. Nonstop "GOD HAS REVEALED HIMSELF!" or "BREAKING NEWS: GOD IS REAL" etc.. etc...
In India Atheism isn't that prominent I think. Well if it is its no where near as vocal as Atheism in America. There's no laws of killing non-believers or anything, its a secular country but its like the general consensus that even though there's a variety of hindus and muslims and christians and sikhs and some jews atleast we all believe in God So when something like this happened, most skeptics tried (and succeeded) to disprove it but journalists/media wouldn't report it. They had a story, and that's all they wanted.
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ProjectCherry ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:59:20 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Indian athiest here, parents and rest of my family are all Hindu. My parents were pissed as hell when they realized I was an athiest (turned so at 13, never told them out of fear). If my grandparents knew, my dad's parents would quite possibly have a heart attack. My mother's father and sisters would be the only ones totally okay with me. No one has ever talked religion with me in my desi circle of acquaintances (except my own generation). Sometimes when it comes up I either notice the intolerance of the older generations or the fact that people try to hush it up.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:53:14 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Honestly, I never really asked him about his family's perspective. That is something he never brought up.
ProjectCherry ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:28:22 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I spend every summer with both pairs of grandparents, so it's nothing I had to ask about...I just saw it in action. My dad, even though he doesn't seem it, is pretty religious and I think it's a result of the way his parents brought him up. I'm just as glad he's not prejudiced or discriminatory like his mother. She doesn't shake hands with Christians or Muslims, still (somewhat) believes in the caste system, and insists on pushing all her religious activities and beliefs on her family. She even moved across town to live near a temple where she now volunteers permanently. Needless to say, vacations with her are zero fun.
allspark117 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:54:41 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I'm hindu myself and their entire family is pretty religious. While our generation is very much tolerant of other religions, while my grandmother was alive on my father's side, she sounded like your grandmother. It's crazy how they used to think but it was another time I suppose. While I do respect my own religion and others, I wouldn't go that far to not shake the hands of people of other religions.
Compizfox ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:52:20 on December 16, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
America is fairly religious...
Sahil17 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:28:57 on December 16, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah but Atheism has been growing in America and becoming more and more vocal.
Mistermartijn ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 21:44:14 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Why are people feeding statues milk?
Domriso ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:55:08 on December 16, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
It's part of a Hindu ritual. Many traditional Hindu temples regularly bathe their statues in milk and butter. The fact that the statues supposedly started imbibing the milk is what was interesting.
[deleted] ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 21:46:01 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
The last part of that video has a little golden statue and it is surrounded by ah puddle of milk.
chinkan5 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:35:35 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Milk is generally offered to many Indian statues. For example, people bathe the Shiv Lingam with milk pretty much everyday, and almost everyone does it. Other statues are bathed in milk as well.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:58:20 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
The statue was supposed to be drinking the milk but yet it is sitting there in a puddle of milk.
HughJorgens ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 20:49:50 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
It's a simple illusion, the milk slowly flows over the edge. It's the worst "miracle" I ever saw, you can clearly see milk running off. If you can't , they took the picture or film from that angle for that reason.
ThorLives ยท 86 points ยท Posted at 18:40:31 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I'd bet that you'd get the exact same result if anyone actually tried repeating the milk-drinking miracle on any day of the year. Also, here's a photograph of the "milk miracle". Notice the milk running down the chin of the statue. http://tinyfrog.files.wordpress.com/2008/03/hindumilkmiracle.jpg
[deleted] ยท 50 points ยท Posted at 19:22:16 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I think that's a perfect example of what the Wason experiment showed: instead of trying to falsify their hypotheses, people tend to do the opposite and only test things that they expect to be true. Especially the "but it only happened for one day" part.
If those people had tried it another day, or with another (non-statue) object, or with any non-milk liquid they'd have seen there was no milk miracle.
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rolobrowntowntony ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 19:30:10 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
that face creeped me out. especially with the hollow sound going on in the video. i was just expecting the eyes to move... ugh
Astro_Zombie ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 20:33:56 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
เคฎเฅเค เคเคพเค เคฐเคนเคพ เคนเฅเค! เค เคงเคฟเค เคฆเฅเคง!
Adn88 ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 19:10:09 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
So do all of these statues now smell of terribly spoiled milk?
arahman81 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:29:56 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
They would, if they were still around.
Crabs4Sale ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 20:39:13 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Had Hindus ever tried giving milk to the statues before that day?
chinkan5 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:37:48 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Many of the statues, particularly the Shiv Lingam is bathed in milk everyday.
_logos ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 18:49:19 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Capillary action draws it up into the statue, the material becoming saturated stops the effect.
edit: in cases where the devout didn't just simply dump the milk on the statue only to have it then run off onto the floor.
Jrook ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 23:31:25 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Unrelated, 2 weeks after billions of statues were discarded for smelling horribly
procom49 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:58:42 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
How did they even discover that??
HelloThereCat ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:34:59 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
My question is, why the hell did someone try to feed a Hindu statue milk in the first place to find this out? Is there some part of the Hindu belief that I don't know about that explains this?
somethingmen ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:15:06 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Someone had a dream where one of the hindu gods told him to offer milk to the statue.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:10:44 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I'm pretty sure the person in that last shot is just tipping the spoon over and the milk is dripping off of the spoon. We just can't see it because the statue is in the way.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:14:57 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
It's like that Virgin Mary statue that cried blood. I can't remember if that was real or fake though...
mrshiz16 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:36:41 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Okay that's pretty cool
Drassielle ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:06:55 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
What's the big deal? My mom spoon feeds me milk all the time and no one calls it a miracle.
HeartlandHeathen ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:12:39 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I remember seeing something about this on TV. Some guy made a statue of Mickey Mouse "drink" milk to show it was bullshit.
MannCoEmployee ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:37:47 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
How has this thing simply been forgotten? We have video evidence of something impossible!
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 18:40:33 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Yo, someone needs to comment on this shit and give me any possible explanation for this.
[deleted] ยท 23 points ยท Posted at 19:32:16 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
An explanation isn't necessary because there isn't enough evidence that anything happened in the first place.
If they wanted to make the claim that something extraordinary was happening, then I'd need to see three things. First, at least two videos shot from multiple angles that are verified to be from different parts of the world. Second, some first hand account of where the milk is going. Fuck your religious dogma; break the statue apart and see if its inside somewhere. Third, an explanation of "why milk". Did anyone try any other liquids?
The video he linked is complete bullshit. There is one good shot of milk disappearing from a spoon that is shown twice, and a third shot that is clearly from the same room just zoomed out a little bit. That one good shot only shows the top of the spoon; she could be fucking pouring the milk out of the spoon and we couldn't tell. In every other shot in the video you can't even see the liquid. Its just someone holding a spoon to a statue's mouth while other people stare and gape.
Moreover, the video tells several straight-up lies. They "suddenly started drinking milk"? By coincidence one guy in Delhi made a milk offering to a statue and word spread. So did something special happen that day, or was it just something normal that no one had ever tried before? Did it only happen once? It happened in 2005, 2006, and again 2010. They "all stopped drinking around the same time"? Is it coincidence that many people have statues of similar size, and thus would have similar interior volume?
ClaudeDuMort ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 21:13:01 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
In addition, near the end of the video, you can actually see a drop of milk hit the surface below the statue and theres a ripple. The statue is clearly sitting in a puddle of milk. You can see some milk on the back of the statue's base. Based on that, I would assume they are pouring the milk slowly enough that it is dribbling down the statue intoa larger puddle of milk.
StriderCid ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:03:53 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Surface tension, capillary action http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XDgBW9oJofw worship the plastic piggy who drinks milk...
somethingmen ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:44:12 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
You do realize that he is spilling milk down the body. This is what he wanted to prove. He actually commented:
"That's what i wanted to show. In the idols case too the milk was rolling down the body but as the idols are made of marble, people couldnt notice it."
in reply to:
"its clearly seen in the video that all the milk were poured down... its not drinking any milk...."
This miracle has occured on non-porous materials where capillary action is not possible. Furthermore, there have been claims (no proof) where calendars were "accepting" milk as well.
DaGuyNextDoor98 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:42:54 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I believe they fed them milk because cows are sacred to their religion so it's very spiritual. Correct me if I'm wrong
dijitalia ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:03:42 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
This is a pretty damn good one.
ShaftPunk ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:45:38 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Speaking of statues this one I always found interesting
Read_it_somewhere ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:51:39 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Notice the banana at 0:40 (for scale)
abbott_costello ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:09:25 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Did they try it with water too? Although I don't blame them if they didn't. Don't wanna piss any gods off.
13thmurder ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:59:56 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
It's obvious why they stopped drinking it. People gave them so much milk they were just sick of it.
jb2386 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:43:38 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Now that's crazy stuff right there. With video evidence as well. Would have liked to see video of the same statues not drinking milk afterwards.
gmos905 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:46:40 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
The real question here is why would someone put milk in a spoon and put it up to a statue in the first place.
Quick_man ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:48:59 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
That one shot even had a banana as a reference.
plan_b_ability ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:56:21 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Serious question how did this even become discovered? Is offering milk to their statues a normal daily ritual?
bpaq3 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:28:40 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
The first thing I think of is: who was the first person that just started to feed them milk?
drmrcaptain888 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:32:07 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
How would you even figure this was happening?
Like "hey guys look, it's crazy Toby trying to feed the statue milk again... Omg it's actually drinking it this time!?!"
Ashken ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:45:05 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Uh...whoa.
droxxus ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:45:00 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Someone science me, I've got to know more.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:50:21 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I wonder why the first person tried to give a statue some milk.
KitsBeach ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:13:11 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
This happened before the internet was everywhere. How did everyone on that day know to put the milk up to the statue's mouth? People just place spoons of various substances to statues on a daily basis?
Ennacolovesyou ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:00:54 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
This is incredibly interesting to say the least.
greatgooglymoogly701 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:04:22 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
My parents said I took part in this (I was only 3 yrs old) while they fed the statue. To this day I wish I could remember it.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:34:41 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
That is so fucking crazy.
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Wyatt1313 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:06:08 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
That's very odd but who was the one that decided to try to feed their statue milk in the first place?
pmglover87 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:42:58 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
So, their gods perform some type of miracle to show themselves to their believers. Stopping the mass rape of women and girls in India? Nah. Making sure that the millions of starving children in India have food in their bellies? Nah. Finally breaking free of the caste system which has oppressed the Indian people long after it was supposedly ended? Nah. Let's drink some fucking milk instead!
Dinosauringg ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:47:11 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
It says in the video that it happened for several days. Either way, that made me feel really weird about everything.
cashmoney125 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:40:51 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Very interesting, any other sources?
Kylemz123 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:10:06 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I think this is one of the most unexplainable things on this thread. Thank you for posting this!
Ramv36 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 22:09:52 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
From Wikipedia: "Many stores in areas with significant Hindu communities saw a massive jump in sales of milk, with one Gateway store in England selling over 25,000 pints of milk,[3] and overall milk sales in New Delhi jumped over 30%"
I think we have a winner. Awesome job milk marketing lobby!
l4mbch0ps ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 00:25:53 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Good thing there was a banana in there.... you know.... for scale
[deleted] ยท 145 points ยท Posted at 18:51:05 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)*
My sister, who believes in ghosts, quite often sends me interesting articles on paranormal events -but I am usually dismissive and I disappoint her in my disbelieving. However, a month ago she came back from work and told me that one of her co-workers had had a strange experience during the previous night.
My sisters friend claims that she was woken up early morning by a bright light. She claims to have seen a man in her room but in her delirious state, rolled over and fell asleep again instantly.
The next day, when she was at work with my sister, she went into her iPhone's gallery to show someone a photo of something arbitrary, only to find literally hundreds of photos that she hadn't taken. The timestamp for each photograph were all from the previous night, where her phone had been left on her bedside table. The images are dark and blurry, and I believe that they are the same picture being taken over and over with varying depth of fields, sometimes with the flash and sometimes without. I am aware that this would point to the phone having a little seizure and it completely explains the bright light she was awoken by. The picture(s) looks to be the bottom of a glass of water which raises a question as the position of the iPhone while it was seemingly malfunctioning. The phone appears to have been balanced on its side-edge with the camera facing horizontally rather than pointing at the ceiling. That is where I'm stumped.
I mean, I've never heard of an iPhone taking hundreds of pictures by itself, but technology has its moments. What I can't explain the orientation phone which would have to have been held horizontally. So either she balanced the phone on its side facing the glass of water before she went to sleep or someone moved it into that position...
http://imgur.com/qb7npUO, http://imgur.com/uI85EAc, http://imgur.com/BkyAyXX
These are the only photographs I have of the incident. My sister was quick to point out that there are faces in almost every photo, but you know, pareidolia. So my sister sent me one of the album and the two 'faceyest' ones. If anyone can offer an explanation, please do!
TL;DR Girl woken by bright light and the figure of a man, wakes up to find hundreds of pictures she didn't take.
AquaQuartz ยท 118 points ยท Posted at 20:25:27 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Doing things in your sleep is not uncommon. Some people eat in their sleep, some people walk, some people actually drive. It's not a stretch of the imagination to think that she might have taken photos in her sleep.
The bright light and figure of a man seem like classic sleep paralysis with hallucinations. Since she never properly woke up she was pretty much still dreaming.
[deleted] ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 20:45:01 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I hadn't thought of that! Interesting. I thought sleep paralysis when she first said about the man, as I've suffered with it for as long as I can remember and quite regularly see strange people in my bedroom.
My main argument against it would be that she saw the flash and the man at the same time, which would mean she was taking the photos during the sleep paralysis episode that should have rendered her immobile... I wouldn't put the flash down to sleep paralysis also as that can be explained by the flash from the camera. As the phone was on her bedside table though she may well have leaned over and taken them herself while she slept, which would explain the composition of the images. Hadn't considered that.
AquaQuartz ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 20:52:14 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
The flash could have just been a part of the hallucination, and unrelated to the photos. Or it might even have been a real flash from something unrelated - a passing car, a lamp (I have a desk lamp that is weird and malfunctiony and sometimes flashes at random - I don't use that mofo anymore), or an electronic device turning on temporarily.
After she fell back to sleep she could have gotten up and taken the photos.
Is she in any of the pictures? Or are they all just the glass and blurs?
[deleted] ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 20:59:45 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I think the glass is the only discernible thing, it's far too dark and burry to see anything else.
I'm glad she didn't appear in any of the photos though because that would have made if fucking horrifying.
AquaQuartz ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 21:02:03 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Especially if she was visible as well as both of her hands. And feet. Consecutive pictures of her lying there asleep, starting from across the room and getting closer and closer...
dakdestructo ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 21:53:56 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
This is a funny image, because the phone was on her bedside table.
Something came right up to her, grabbed the phone, then moved back to get her in full frame, and then slowly crept forward again.
AquaQuartz ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 22:00:53 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Trust me, there would be nothing funny about it if it actually happened. You'd be too busy shitting your pants.
GoldenGangsta66 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:46:00 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I mentioned this and found your comment:
In the third picture of the fourth row, and the second picture of the fifth row seem to be her sleeping on the right of it? Almost looks like the camera was rotating around the glass or the glass was being moved. Another sleepless night for me.
AquaQuartz ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:28:02 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I can't tell with the tiny images. OP? Do you have to higher-resolution image so we can see if we really want to sleep tonight, or ever again?
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:37:14 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Sorry these are the only ones I have. I wanted more but felt weird soliciting photos from a girl I've never met... My sister was only interested in the facey ones and so I've got none of the more interesting, in focus images.
Deadbreeze ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:26:03 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I'm confused on what kind of woman would wake up to a flash, see a man in the room, and then go back to sleep. I've woken up seen my computer chair with bunch of clothes draped over it, thought it was someone, and froze until I figured it out seconds later. And I'm a man.
Choralone ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 02:41:16 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Me too.. though when I see a person or something in the room at night I usually put my security blanket (which I've had since childhood, thanks mom) over my head immediately - it's basically impenetrable to monsters as long as I have a good seal around it and no body parts are sticking out of the covers.
I'm 40.
Deadbreeze ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:14:00 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I sleep next to a Kukri Machete. I have no idea why. I live in a low crime place, but its just nice to know its there. I haven't killed my cat yet, so I'm not too jumpy.
SunshineCat ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 09:50:30 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
What are you thinking? A ghost could whip that right at you.
Deadbreeze ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:44:44 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
From what I've seen it would be more likely that a ghost would slowly slide it towards me. And its sheathed with snaps. Ever seen a ghost try to undo a snap button? Snaps are like masterlocks to ghosts.
Choralone ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:22:32 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Is it a kukri or a machete?
SunshineCat ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 09:48:50 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)*
I did that when I was a kid (okay, and a few times after that). If there were any ghosts around, at least they couldn't touch me and I couldn't see them.
Edit: I also focused on thinking positively about ghosts in case they could hear my thoughts. In my defense, I have never been even slightly afraid of irrational things when sleeping or going to sleep since I started smoking weed.
Choralone ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:21:07 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Thats probably because the weed shuts down your brain and it just plain doesn't work.
SunshineCat ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:32:12 on December 16, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I'm sorry, but that's unfair. And I would argue that my brain was in a worse state when my heart would race just from being up at night and afraid I would see a ghost. I didn't believe that such things existed to begin with, but now I really accept it in mind. If I am afraid of a ghost when I know ghosts don't exist, then my brain isn't working.
Choralone ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:31:06 on December 16, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, sorry man. I meant that as a bit of humor, nothing more.
The-Figment ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:05:30 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
When that shit happens to be, I come up swinging.
I vacuumed my room once, a long long time ago, and left the vacuum upright in my room. I had later done laundry (it was cleaning day!) and left a few cloths actually draping over the vaccum.... To cut to the chase, I woke up, saw a figure standing next to my bed, immedietly attacked it, realized after throwing a couple blows that it was a vacuum. I tried to calm the fuck down but it took a long time to get back to sleep.
Deadbreeze ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:37:01 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
That is awesomely hilarious. For me nothing was ever close enough to my bed for me to attack it right always. So when I wake up and think I see someone, I do the crocodile thing and wait for them to get in range. Soon... "Goddamnit it's just the chair again!"
Choralone ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:39:52 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
All that information, flash or not, time, etc, would be in the meta-data on the photos. The timing would tell you if it was the button held down or somethign else, too.
AquaQuartz ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:05:02 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
We need to get this info then. Because it could prove that this is either something really creepy or something only sort of creepy.
spacegirl_spiff ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:47:04 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe she fell asleep with her hand on her phone, and that's why there are so many photos?
aljady ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 11:56:16 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Doesn't have to be sleep paralysis though. My boyfriend still regularly has night terrors, during which he can be very mobile indeed. The "dream" of a malevolent shadow-man (often wearing a hat, for some reason) looming over his bed is an incredibly common one.
Needless to say, I've never experienced such a thing myself, although sleeping in the very same bed, sometimes even alone when he worked nights.
But then he does all kinds of weird shit while asleep. Last week he did an Alan Rickman impression in his sleep. Now that is fucking creepy.
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 21:21:26 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
According to my friend, I get up, angrily mumble things, then punch things in my sleep.
Eal12333 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 00:39:04 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
according to my mom, i used to do this too, usually when i am uncomfortably hot in my sleep. and she would always tell me what happened the next day. i would get up and walk around, and tell my mom gibberish.
i remember her telling me that, one night, i got up, went to her room, and asked her "are you sure its okay for me to karate chop my bunk bed?" and then i immediately went back to sleep, without waiting for an answer.
AquaQuartz ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:29:16 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Haha, hopefully you just don't start punching people!
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 21:44:35 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Yup. Full story follows:
Over the summer, my friend was staying at my house for a few weeks (he's from a town near Edmonton Canada, and I'm in upstate NY), and it was getting late. My PC is in my room near my bed, and I wanted to just to to sleep, but he wanted to check out some game or another I had installed (because he was still on Canadian time), so I went to bed. Apparently 2 hours later I sat up in bad, looked straight at him, and started mumbling things very angrily, then punched the wall and fell back asleep.
I was planning on setting my webcam up the other day and filming myself sleeping, but my camera doesn't have a nightvision mode.
AquaQuartz ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:49:58 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
That's awesome.
HowieGaming ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 20:46:59 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Dad took a shower once in his sleep. His father woke up to the sound of the school bus leaving the house and my dad is still standing there naked in the shower. hahah, he cracks up everytime he tells that story.
AquaQuartz ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 20:56:48 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Yup, people do strange things in their sleep. I had sex once while entirely unconscious. I didn't have any alcohol in my system or anything. That was weird for me the next day.
ButtTrumpetSnape ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:10:29 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)*
It happens quite a bit especially with couples who are used to each other's presence. I'd post a link but I cba to search it or switch to private browsing.
...No wait, I'm just being lazy. Whole site dedicated to the phenomenon and a science-y looking article about it.
Apparently it's a few different disorders, all classified as 'sexsomnia'.
Edit: missed a 'y'
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:37:08 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I did the same. Brought a girl to a friends house and we boned, it was the first time we had slept together. Fell asleep after and the next day she made some comment how once isnt enough for me. I was thoroughly confused. Apparently in the middle of the night i got on her and went to town and as soon as i nutted rolled right back over. I would sleep walk like crazy as a kid and have always sleep talked.
HowieGaming ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 21:10:29 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Hahahah, wtffff
that must have felt good
Yunlokzi ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 21:27:46 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
When my mom was a kid, she'd sleep-walk and turn on all the lights in the house. My grandma would talk to her some and put her back to bed and my mom wouldn't remember a thing.
alfeno ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 00:30:55 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Hey, I did the same once or twice when I was younger.
In the middle of the night I stood up and went around the house to turn on all the lights (I was probably 9 or 10 yo).
The creepiest part is that I would stop at my brother room door and stare at him.
And I couldn't remember anything of this shit the day after.
sexyhamster89 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 23:15:20 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)*
i used to get really bad sleep paralysis and i remember one time my cat was licking my face while i was laying paralyzed in my bed trying to scream myself awake but i was stuck there unable to move with my cat sniffing me and licking me, lol
i've also had scarier ones where there was something sitting on top of me. i could feel the weight of the thing on top of me and i couldn't move because of it. even thinking about it makes me really anxious and scared. i was screaming as loud as i could just to try to wake myself up but no voice was coming out. i was trying to wake up my dad who was sleeping in the next room to please help me. i was literally screaming for help...
i'm glad i don't get sleep paralysis anymore.
edit: also for anyone else suffering from sleep paralysis, it only happened to me when i was sleeping on my back. if i sleep on my sides it never happens... which is why i always sleep on my side now.
AquaQuartz ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 23:24:23 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
You had the ghost pressing down on you hallucination...That must be terrifying. Just two nights ago I woke up randomly, which is very unusual for me. I suddenly felt afraid and started looking around expecting to see a shadowy figure there, and my first thought was "I really hope I'm not having sleep paralysis and hallucinations!" I wasn't and I went back to sleep, but I can only imagine how terrifying it would have been if I couldn't move and the shadowy figure I expected was actually there.
sexyhamster89 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:32:38 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
i wish i could figure out exactly what causes it so i could prevent it from ever happening again
it's actually been a long since i've thought about my sleep paralysis episodes... i hope this doesn't cause them to come back
AquaQuartz ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:29:02 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Have you tried asking a professional? I would if they start coming back.
Duzzy_Funlop ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:19:29 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I had a really bad episode very similar to yours about 4 years ago, that shit is no fun. It's type pf thing that makes you dread going back to sleep the next night.
i_drah_zua ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 07:47:02 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
You were sat on by an alp!
The word comes from elf, and it's the reason a nightmare is called Alptraum (Alp dream) in German.
There's a lot of superstition around the alp, and a lot of bad things happening in the night are credited to it.
I think it's how they tried to make sence of sleep paralysis and other things that go bump in the night.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:52:33 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Hey man! I've been suffering from sleep paralysis since I was about 14, I'm now 21 and still experience it about twice a month, moreso when I'm stressed.
The actual event is still extremely uncomfortable, but learning that it's all in my head helped me a lot. I agree it's more likely to happen when I'm on my back, but I've now got to the point that I sleep on my back anyway and take the rap if I have to. It's all about taking it on the chin, and eventually I found it was something I could overcome.
F4rsight ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:14:19 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I thought of that myself- I even had such a habit of text messaging I sent a text to a mate of mine, I had no idea until I looked at my SENT messages.
AquaQuartz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:40:31 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Hopefully it wasn't anything embarrassing!
F4rsight ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:21:13 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Just gibberish, was a good laugh the next day. And also a reminder to test less...
abloopdadooda ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:34:49 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
No, man. Spooky demon.
Plethysmograph ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:22:35 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Ugh fuck that shit. The first few times it happened to me I was absolutely terrified. Bone stiff, eyes wide open, conscious but still having (most of the time) a horrific nightmare. I go through bouts where it happens pretty much any time I try sleeping in any capacity. During those bouts it's either what I described above or something best described as the opposite where the moment I close my eyes with the intention to sleep I get instantly thrown into ridiculous dreams without losing thinking capacity or waking consciousness and I can feel the wave of paralysis run over me, it's honestly the weirdest thing I've ever felt. At first it scared me but now it's just annoying because I essentially just lay there waiting for my brain to sort itself out thinking "well this is fucking obnoxious, i just want real sleep." I get no real rest or regular sleep benefits when it happens, its incredibly exhausting and taxing for whatever reason and it's totally out of my control. Some things really wrong with me
city17_dweller ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 20:59:47 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I love the idea of pre-20th century ghosts wanting a go on an iPhone.
EGriffi5 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:24:05 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Some poor soul trying to reddit one last time...
KittyGraffiti ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 01:31:53 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Thing is though, people die every day, so it could be a ghost of someone who just died the day before and always wanted an iPhone.
[deleted] ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 22:00:36 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Your sister certainly has her delusions if she saw faces in any of those pictures...
outcast151 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:25:28 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
you cant see the worried ninja in the second link?
Zuldarogg ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:00:47 on December 17, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Can't you see the mexican guy with a sombrero in the first?
dakdestructo ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 21:52:19 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe she takes sleep-selfies, but was using the back camera instead of the front one because people are dumb when they're asleep. And maybe the 'face' is just bits of her face reflected in the glass.
CptnAmerica ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 22:18:33 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I once had a dream that I woke up and found a video of myself sleeping on my phone. It was just a dream, but it still creeped me out. I can't imagine how fucking terrifying that would be. Definitely what I'm gonna do if I come back as a ghost.
ButtTrumpetSnape ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:11:55 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I think I need to sleep soon. I misread this as "found myself sleeping on my phone" and thought 'oh, I've done that when really tired and then wondered why my back would hurt the next day' and got confused about it being terrifying, till I reread.
aquabuddhalovesu ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:11:54 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I had a similar dream not that long ago, but instead of a video of me sleeping, it was a picture and had been set as my phone's wallpaper.
The dream was pretty realistic and still fresh when I woke up. And you're right, I can't think of many things that would be so subtly terrifying...
Stupid brain.
jaxxly ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:50:25 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe the phone was on a charging dock.
Choralone ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:38:49 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
If it thinks the photo button, or a side button, is held down, it rapidly takes photos.
Bright lights and figures of people are common to see when you just wake up - you can't trust what you see the moment you wake up, you really can't.
As for the phone.. one of my toddlers got ahold of my phone and managed to take about a hundred pictures in a couple minutes just holding the button down, no idea what he was doing.
I drop of moisture is enough to set off the touch sensor.
nicecleatswannaruck ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:55:09 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
The faces look like Santa.
stealthstrike ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:50:12 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
On the first link, in the second row, far right, it looks like the left shoulder and part of someone's jawline.
GoldenGangsta66 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:38:38 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
In the third picture of the fourth row, and the second picture of the fifth row seem to be her sleeping on the right of it? Almost looks like the camera was rotating around the glass or the glass was being moved. Another sleepless night for me.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:33:08 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Haha, sorry man! Sleep tight!
skatedaddy ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:44:33 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Can't explain why the phone was on it's side but maybe the glass of water released some condensation making a puddle on the night stand. The puddle reaching the phone could have caused some glitching and taking pics. The iphone 4 can use the volume buttons to take photos while in the camera if it was on that side. Even if it was on the other side that's the side the cameras on. With water getting into electronics who knows what could happen.
Draked1 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:20:18 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I see it in the two pics you listed but did you not see the one on the second row, 4th pic?
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:29:57 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I can very clearly see an eyeball in the 2nd image link you posted. Very creepy
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:35:36 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:02:25 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
It's possible, though the girl discovered the photos while at work and so my sister heard about it almost immediately. Apparently she was pretty freaked out, as I would have been. But she could have made it up, absolutely, it's bloody good if she did though.
themusicliveson ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:56:02 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Does your sister's friend live in Silent Hill? Cause those are some seriously fucking foggy pictures.
But in all seriousness, the suddenly waking up and seeing a man sounds a lot like sleep paralysis and it's not uncommon for people to sometimes do kooky shit in their sleep. Human beings are pretty much glued to their phones nowadays, so it's not beyond belief that you'd screw around with your phone while mostly asleep.
fancycheeses ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:39:51 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Whereabouts was this in the uk?
borg_nihilist ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:41:16 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
she fell asleep with her iphone on her pillow next to her face (probably redditing as she went to sleep) and took a bunch of close up selfies accidentally. then she moved and brushed it and accidentally went online or to her picture gallery and saw a pic of some dude when the background lighting changed on the phone and half woke her up.
or some creepy dude broke in her house and took a bunch of close ups of her/his face and ran out when she woke up.
jessticless ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 21:42:13 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
The pics aren't even of her face, they're a glass of water on the bedside table
sonicwonic ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:20:46 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Idk if its me but the second link, does anyone else see a face...
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:03:53 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
You said she discovered the photos the following day but in the screenshot the photo album says 42 minutes ago and was taken at 23:55, that doesn't make much sense.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:06:50 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)*
That's a screenshot from my sister's phone the following evening, sorry for confusion.
EDIT: No wait, I mean this girl took and sent my sister the screenshot at 2355 the following evening and then my sister took this screenshot 42 minutes after receiving it herself and then sent it to me. complicated.
jessticless ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 21:42:45 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
It's not complicated, that person is dumb
Hajile_S ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 01:39:06 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I'm sorry, but of all the banal ghost stories, this is the most banal. You know someone that knows someone whose phone was oriented unexpectedly in their self-admitted sleepy state.
[deleted] ยท 40 points ยท Posted at 22:44:09 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)*
Mt Washington UFO photo. Taken in 1870 before we had the means to fly, it shows the famous "cigar" shaped UFO.
Edit: Grammar
badjettasex ยท 81 points ยท Posted at 23:46:34 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Thats a shit in whipped cream
[deleted] ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 02:03:14 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
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k9centipede ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:17:13 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Re 3, isnt it cropped? So point of interest being in the center makes sense
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:18:51 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Why does this look better than most of the "ghost" photos taking in this century?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:30:19 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Thats a line drawn with a sharpie or whiteboard marker.
SirWompalot ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:56:07 on December 26, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
That photo is strange because when you zoom in it is clearly a rectangular shape. Very odd...
china-pimiento ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 00:54:06 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Reminds me of my dork
GotMittens ยท 2687 points ยท Posted at 14:53:55 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)*
In one of these threads a while back, someone posted a story about how his dad/uncle/relation was visiting the grand canyon with friends. They were mucking about taking photos, but it was only when they got home to develop them they saw a creepy dude in the bushes watching them - they swear he wasn't there at the time.
I'll see if I can find it.
EDIT: OK, so here's the picture, a clearer touched up one complete with photoshop arrow, and here's the various posts.
From OP: "He said he and his two friends were in that spot for about 15 minutes. My Uncle and his friends claimed that they did not know this man, that they were the only ones in the spot, and the Grand Canyon was vacant of tourists at this time of year."
buttermellow11 ยท 1890 points ยท Posted at 15:06:35 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Goddamn that is so creepy.
ABabyAteMyDingo ยท 2236 points ยท Posted at 15:09:11 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I'm far more bothered by someone standing at the edge.
friday6700 ยท 1344 points ยท Posted at 15:25:48 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
While there's snow on the ground
A_for_Anonymous ยท 1755 points ยท Posted at 15:30:31 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
With a person of unknown intentions hidden behind.
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[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:49:19 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
So call me maybe.
damnatio_memoriae ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:50:42 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Localized entirely within your kitchen.
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fishermanhumor ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 23:40:34 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Oh god. If that guy in the bushes wanted to, one loud yell and the other guy may gotten startled and fell. That scares me a lot.
GeneralKrunch ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:12:51 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
In the touched up photo, you can see a 2nd person's face in the bushes.
OnceMoreIntoDarkness ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:23:07 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I dunno, it sort of looks like a face (if what I'm looking at is what you meant, to the direct left of the obvious creepy guy), but there are no other set of legs/torso where there ought to be one, unless he is leaning around creeper 1, making only his face visible? This is some seriously unnerving stuff.
serizzzzle ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:15:54 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
and wind gusts
Will7357 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:49:46 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
No worries, the snow will cushion his fall.
Tarpititarp ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:10:49 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
What?
caroline_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:44:24 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I know right! I fear even walking across the street if there's snow on the ground.
familyturtle ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:47:42 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
No trigger discipline either.
Hiyo802 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:48:43 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
To be fair there doesn't seem to be any snow where he is standing.
pbs094 ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 16:05:39 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Snow isn't slippery.
entgardener ยท 69 points ยท Posted at 15:44:52 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I've been to the GC, both north and south more than a dozen times. What people fail to show via the photos is that it's not a straight shot right off the edge. At most this guy might fall like 10 feet and hit a ledge beneath. The parts of the Canyon that the tourists go to were chosen for this reason. Now, if you walk along the rim out of the areas reserved for 99% of the sight seers you're going to encounter areas with 100 foot + drops. However, no where in the canyon is there a straight shot to the bottom. It's gradual. Here's a picture explaining that. http://www.so-many-places.com/2012/08/hiking-the-grand-canyon-rim-to-rim/
ABabyAteMyDingo ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:14:07 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I've been too. The photo is still frightening to me.
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ABabyAteMyDingo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:16:20 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
You're right. I'm cured now.
entgardener ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:20:17 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Reddit is magic.
lolitahlia ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:25:01 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
You're absolutely right, but as the signs all remind us--"Don't underestimate the Canyon". Just stand a little farther from the edge of everything and we can all breathe easier.
KloverCain ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:48:57 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I could be just being a sissy here, but I wouldn't like falling ten feet to a rock ledge either . . .
LandauTST ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:54:31 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe the man in the bush once stood too close himself and is waiting for a friend...
Bethistopheles ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:50:56 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I'm more bothered by the fact that the area around creepydude's mouth looks smeared with blood (more visible in the brightened version of it.)
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:11:57 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I'm more bothered by /u/GotMittens thinking that arrow was photoshopped. It was obviously drawn with a marker.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:41:24 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
You know that ghost is getting ready to shove him off.
loebassie ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:42:33 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
there's actually not a straight drop down there, its mostly sloped. not saying its not dangerous
ABabyAteMyDingo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:12:04 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
No use telling that to someone scared of heights, I'm afraid!
btcnp ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:52:59 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I thought HE was the creepy dude
catwithlasers ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:53:11 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I saw some crazy people there when I went. They had bypassed the railings and were climbing out toward the edge. The closest my husband and I got was sitting on a rock right passed on of the railings, but we were still easily a dozen feet or more from the edge. These people though were getting more into the inches department.
ABabyAteMyDingo ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:18:29 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
People be crazy, man.
forthegoodofthegame ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:44:08 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
that's what the guy in the bushes was doing when he died.
powerchicken ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:10:19 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Do you usually fall forward when standing still?
ABabyAteMyDingo ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:11:18 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
When at a cliff? Only once, at most.
Theothor ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:51:51 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Ever heard of wind?
powerchicken ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:57:16 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Okay, let me rephrase: Are you often pushed aside by sudden gusts of wind at the edge of a cliff?
danisnotfunny ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:22:49 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Looks like the grim reaper contemplating ending his life by pushing him off.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:27:29 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Don't actually go to the Grand Canyon. People go way out on the cliffs, where they're not supposed to and dangle their feet down. Freaks me out, too.
BF1shY ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:23:57 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
He is clearly "holding" on to an invisible bent over woman.
antivist ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:56:14 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
... and here I was staring at the brown round coffee looking stain(?) in the sky until I saw the arrow.
blanketyblanks ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:20:05 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
its the cape that really does it
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:59:16 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
When I went to the Grand Canyon my family and I took sandwiches with us and had lunch with our legs hanging over the edge. It was awesome.
In a lot of areas there's a small ledge underneath that slopes down about 10 feet before the big drop to the plateau.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:38:56 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Really? I think that's pretty popular. As others will point out, they probably feel quite secure and the wind is probably calm. The should be no reason to worry. Then again, you aren't expecting a hooded stranger to be watching you.
ABabyAteMyDingo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:10:42 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
You must not be afraid of heights! Pictures like this make my legs turn to jelly.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:21:54 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Oh no. I would have pissed my pants 10' from the ledge. It just seems really popular.
HumanTrafficCone ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:48:15 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I swear everyone on reddit is absolutely terrified of everything.
GotMittens ยท 947 points ยท Posted at 15:10:28 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
It really is. I mean, we all know its just a guy stood in the bushes which they didn't see for whatever reason, but there's something fundamentally unsettling about it.
buttermellow11 ยท 755 points ยท Posted at 15:12:02 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
It's knowing that you were being watched, without knowing it at the time.
GotMittens ยท 576 points ยท Posted at 15:17:27 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Aye. As someone said in the other thread its also because his sense of security was false.
BangkokPadang ยท 85 points ยท Posted at 15:53:25 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
He could have so easily been pushed off the edge.
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 17:22:18 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
That's the key here. We're all extremely unsettled because subconsciously, we know this mysterious agent is in a position in which he could easily end the other man's life, unobserved.
LoneRanger9 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:21:19 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Except he looks like he's much closer to the camera than the guy standing on the cliff, he's not directly behind the guy standing at the edge he's in between.
olfactory_hues ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 20:09:34 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
If by unobserved you mean: "there's a picture of it and it's on the internet."
Riktenkay ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 20:29:01 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Unobserved at the time, numbnuts.
HarfNarfArf ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 18:39:48 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
And because the fucking guy looks like Voldemort.
bigolehairyone ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 16:01:02 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Sense of security is always false. Security doesn't occur in nature.
olfactory_hues ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 19:20:52 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Ok, Dwight.
smoochwalla ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 16:22:27 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Deep.
HarpoMarks ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:41:22 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
It has been confirmed in a previous post that the ledge the dark figure is standing on us not the same ledge with the guy standing near the edge. The dark figure appears to be larger because he is standing a a ledge closer to the photographer, the angle makes it look like it is the same ledge but it is not.
Jrook ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:17:11 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Sense of security?
'Here take a picture of me near the edge, because its so secure it will make a great picture'
Did he get pushed off? If not then his sense of security was dead on.
Kvaedi ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:19:40 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Uh, no. That is not how security works. Just because something bad didn't happen doesn't make it secure. The fact that something bad could have happened makes the situation unsecured whether anything happens or not.
Say some guy manages to get to the President because the Secret Service all fuck up at once, but the guy doesn't decide to kill the president. Is the situation secure? Of course not. It just means they're all lucky someone else didn't take advantage of the lapse in security.
Jrook ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:50:35 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
We're talking about a guy leaning over a cliff here dude.
fossil98 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:24:34 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
And that means your sense of security in the now could be equally as false. Fuck.
Darkrell ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:20:14 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
The guy could have easily pushed him off the edge if he wanted to and they wouldn't have seen it coming
Voltron_McYeti ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:39:23 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
also finding out the watcher was some guy in a black hooded robe doesn't help
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:31:00 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
And the creepy cult like cloak. wtf
tehryanx ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:21:26 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
the part that freaks me out the most is what I know would have happened if the guy on the edge had noticed this idiot and been startled.
JellyfishPies ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:14:23 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
And being at the very edge of the Grand Canyon.
ouyawei ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:41:26 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
NSA?
bk2345 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:56:49 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
And that he's kind of huge campuses to the other guy, and is wearing a creepy hood.
IrNinjaBob ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:05:13 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Not just that, but at a time where even just a gentle nudge would send you to your death. You have a sense of security in the fact that, if you are extra careful, you probably won't fall. Knowing that a person just steps away was hiding in the bushes (and not even attempting to stay all that hidden.)
Not only that, but dude sort of looks like he's wearing a cloak. Could just be a hooded jacket, but it definitely looks like a cloak goes down to about where his knees are.
DasBarenJager ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:24:23 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
But the guy is boldly standing there looking STRAIGHT AT A DUDE WITH A CAMERA. If this pic is real that guy may have had the same WTF feeling about these strangers ignoring and alternately taking pictures of him.
Thompy ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 16:22:51 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
This.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 17:09:55 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, but why is the guy standing in the bushes wearing a cloak? A cloak always means bad intentions. And how do you not notice that? And seriously, what the hell is he doing hiding in bushes at the edge of the grand canyon.
APretentiousHipster ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:46:58 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Look closer at the guy. He looks abnormal.
AChanceRay ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:43:37 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Just a guy in the bushes wearing a black cloak, looking at the camera.
telePHONYacct ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 15:54:06 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
That guy is unnaturally large. Look at the head sizes.
CrippleDrifting ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:54:18 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I think he's just closer to the camera
telePHONYacct ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:49:53 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, I measured and I guess that the size difference is negligible. Still, visceral reaction of fear and dread here. Not sure why...not sure I want to know....
mastershake04 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:58:40 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Or the OP of that post is lying and its just someone that was with them standing in the bushes so they'd have a interesting story to tell to strangers on the internet.
BIGMAN50 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:19:40 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Most likely OP was lying and the kid in the picture is their friend and he made up a good story.
ComedicCounterpart ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:27:16 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe it's the fact that he's wearing a fucking black robe. He looks unnervingly similar too http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Oblivion:Lucien_Lachance
danisnotfunny ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:23:29 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
well..maybe not..
Hewman_Robot ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:36:18 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
the black cape-robe
sysop073 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:29:39 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
That's why it's annoying when "they swear he wasn't there at the time". Normally people don't swear one thing while simultaneously providing pictures disproving what they just said, but if you call it supernatural suddenly that's fine
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:48:18 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Is it just me or are those not even close to being bushes? To me that's obviously a tree and the guy would have to be suspended up inside of the tree. I feel like I'm taking crazy pills.
asshat_backwards ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:59:37 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
That, and he's wearing a cloak. Americans are creeped out by cloaks.
peetee32 ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 15:41:44 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
do we? its a shitty photograph. its much more likely that there was no person there, the lighting/shadows/branches formed in a way made it look like a person there.
rcavin1118 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 15:45:26 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
There's very clearly a face. Those colors don't appear anywhere else in the bush, and you can make out he features of the face.
Ifyouletmefinnish ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 17:23:57 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Don't base it off of the "Retouched" i.e. highly edited photoshop picture, base it off the original.
In the original, the "face" is the exact colour of the sky behind, and the "clothes" are dead black, just like large portions of the bush that's in the shade.
45flight ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:37:26 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)*
No, base it off the retouched one. First off, it's a higher quality version. If you read the original post, the original uploader used two different scanners. The original is much smaller and clearly from a less detailed version. The retouched once is just brightened, if the face was the same color, it would have stayed the same color.
Plus, you can see the sharp drop of the cloak or coat that he's wearing.
EDIT: I just threw it into photoshop. It's a guy. The bush is not dead black and the sky is not the same color. Do it yourself.
braised_diaper_shit ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:07:08 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
The face is NOT the exact colour of the sky behind. There's obviously a man standing there.
hio_State ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:52:18 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Devil's advocate, our brains are hard wired to recognize faces, it's very common for them to see a face that isn't truly a face. The fact that we see a face isn't really proof because humans are frankly a highly biased source for seeing faces.
rcavin1118 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:59:41 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I'm aware of that, but it's not like it's a vague face. It has clearly defined features, enough so that you can even make out his facial expression.
Bethistopheles ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:54:01 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
And the smeared blood around his mouth.....
Ozimandius ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:58:06 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
But it isn't as if it is some shadowy face that is only barely visible. It's not just 'whoa, did you see that face in the cloud or the man in the moon?'
Beyond that, you can actually see details about his clothes and you can practically see his facial expression.
45flight ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:34:11 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Did you look at the picture? It's not a cloud or some shit.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:48:57 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
It seems even more likely that the film had two pictures taken on the same negative. Like maybe the film didn't quite wind to the right spot causing a double exposure.
45flight ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:33:42 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Uh, you don't know that.
chubbsDemApples ยท 34 points ยท Posted at 15:32:56 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I'm fucking terrified right now.
StackOfFiveMarmots ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:45:56 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
When it comes down to it this is just a picture of two people at the Grand Canyon with an accompanying story told by a redditor who doesn't even claim to have been there at the time it was taken. I could find any photo of two people online, claim I know one of them and say that that person swears the other person present in the photo wasn't there. Not really all that scary if you ask me.
KennyFulgencio ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:16:40 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Remind me not to invite you to parties
smoochwalla ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:23:38 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
True, but then again. You probably didn't just smoke a fat bowel either.
persona_dos ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:31:51 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Agree, creepy but it isn't supernatural. The linked thread goes into a lot more detail though and is an interesting read.
jumfruit ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:59:28 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Should have never clicked on the touched up version. I haven't been this creeped out in a while...
SamSlate ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:08:02 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Dude seriously looks like death (the seventh seal)
Thepurplepudding ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:10:39 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Zooming in to see it better is so damn scary as well.
Perfect_Prefect ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:02:49 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
What? How bad the arrow photoshopping is?
buttermellow11 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:09:21 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Haha, I'm pretty sure even paint has a pre-made arrow you can just insert.
TheWhiteeKnight ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:11:46 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Somebody was hiding in the bush for days waiting for this moment.
mixand ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:38:44 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
If true, he didn't even know somebody was there when it was obvious later on. For all you know, somebody could be watching you right now through the window or is in the corner, but you feel safe.
buttermellow11 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 18:36:10 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Well, now I don't feel safe...
mixand ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:42:03 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Close those porn tabs
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:59:10 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Even if it's nothing supernatural, it's still fucking spooky that there would be just some guy there creeping.
halfveela ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:44:34 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Creepy, but not supernatural.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:18:41 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
He is: "The original photo bomber"
egolce ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:55:49 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
A horrible photo-bomb
BogusWeeds ยท 1129 points ยท Posted at 15:13:55 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)*
Oh there's plenty of reasons a guy might be standing there!.. on the edge of the Grand Canyon... with a group of friends who aren't his own... Wearing a black hoodie and a a smug grin...
Alright, I'll admit, that's creepy.
EDIT: I get it guys, creepy โ supernatural. I'm just arguing - why would someone happen to stand there like that?
[deleted] ยท 599 points ยท Posted at 16:10:09 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
And it doesn't even look like a hoodie if you zoom in, looks more like a long hooded cloak, which I think makes it way more creepy to be honest. Shudders
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d8f7de479b1fae3d85d3 ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 19:19:27 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
No hair, eyebrows, eyelashes.
Choralone ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 02:31:43 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Could be it's not even a face. Could be just an illusion.. seriously. Especially if you look at the original.
SillySalamander6 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 05:12:30 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
This comment deserves more attention... could totally be the way the tree leaves align
ButtTrumpetSnape ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:19:27 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Didn't even notice that, though I can just make out what seems to be a hairline. But still, freaky. Or an albino person maybe? Odd though, especially considering neither the uncle or the cameraman noticed for fifteen minutes.
sfhitz ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 19:08:10 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Were hoodies even a thing when this was taken?
AmplitudeMaximum ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 21:23:52 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Its not a hoodie. Its a fucking CAPE. Like some medievil shit. Its just too creepy.
[deleted] ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 20:10:09 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I always take my holocaust cloak when I go anywhere. You never know when you might have to impersonate the Dread Pirate Roberts. Additionally, it's super comfy!
b2311e ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 20:07:59 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Why the fuck did you have to point that out. The whole photo suddenly felt even more creepy
DarthSnoopyFish ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:20:41 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I see snow on the ground. Could be some heavy snow jacket.
doveinabottle ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:36:04 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I had friends in the late 80s/early 90s who wore capes (someone said below this was taken in the 80s). Pre-Goths. It wasn't that uncommon.
jeanne_dfart ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:30:49 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Oh god the family went into the dog park didn't they.
judithgrimes ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:53:50 on May 25, 2014 ยท (Permalink)
Now alerting station management,
NorGu5 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:17:54 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Also, very nice black leather shoes, not the kind of shoes I'd want for a long walk in snowy weather!
RavenousPonies ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:01:02 on December 19, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
It's a long jacket, it was winter... and the 80's.
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[deleted] ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 17:31:43 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I think that second picture sorta makes it look like a woman. The face is very slender. Plus it's scientific fact that women are always cold so she her hoodie (fur lined?) on.
[deleted] ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 18:08:19 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
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Left4Head ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 18:27:17 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
This was taken in the 80's. I doubt they went Back to the Future on us just to get karma from Reddit.
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DownvoteALot ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:59:26 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Well, it looks like it's pretty cold there, so he could be in a long coat with a hood.
Although it's weird the photographer didn't see him coming.
Vinator ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:06:10 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe he was there before them and tried to commit suicide and then tried to hide when OP and his uncle came.
Patrik333 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:24:19 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
And staring at someone very close to the edge of a precipice... maybe had the friend not been there, the man in the picture might have tripped and fell on that day.
lacienega ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:44:57 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
With white make up on and really theatrical blood red lips.
scroto8130 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:54:36 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe he was thinking of pushing that man off but stopped because he saw they had photographic evidence of it.
antivist ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:57:17 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
maybe he was taking a leak.
desert_dessert ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:58:04 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Honestly I think it looks like a woman, maybe in period dress from the mid-1800s? A Pioneer group maybe? A lot of people didn't live through that trip back then.
Damiown ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:56:15 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
How come know one mentions how big that guy looks? at least 6"5. Albeit he is on a mound but dam.
evanman69 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:16:09 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I do not remember hoodies being worn in the '80's.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:36:12 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
And where are his legs?!
[deleted] ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 16:30:07 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Look below him and a bit to the left. He's wearing some kind of long, hooded robe. That makes it even scarier imo. Either a weirdo or a cultist. Nobody wears long hooded robes after the 19th century.
factoid_ ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:34:58 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
2 explanations leap immediately to mind.
1) Occam's Razor tells us that the simplest explanation is usually the correct one. In this case the simplest explanation is that the photo was simply staged and being pawned off as some unexplained creepy phenomenon. I judge this to be the most likely, personally.
2) There really isn't a person there at all, and this is just a case of paredolia (seeing a face in a random formation because our brains are wired to see faces. We can't help it). That seems possible, especially since they're acknowledging the use of photoshop to clean up the photo. The face might just be shadows and leaves. I judge this to be possible, but not as likely since there does seem to be a fairly convincing figure through the bushes all the way to the ground, not just a face. Still possible, though.
xUnderoath ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 18:06:30 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Creepy but not supernatural.
Popcom ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 18:34:52 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Creepy, yes. Supernatural, no.
Anzai ยท 415 points ยท Posted at 15:18:49 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
The perspective on this is so weird. He's bigger so he must be closer, but he looks further away than they guy on the edge.
altair11 ยท 277 points ยท Posted at 15:58:14 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)*
As someone said before when this came up. This may be due to forced perspective. If you look closely at the cliff it is actually probably two cliffs (one closer with the creepy guy on it and one further away with the uncle).
Anzai ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:26:48 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
That is what I would assume, but it's a strange illusion, to go along with them supposedly not having seen this guy. Nothing supernatural about it, but still creepy.
GiveItToHerRaw ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 18:00:55 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
If you look you can actually see he's wearing something long which you can make out behind the tree. If you follow that down it looks like he's on the same cliff as the guy in the picture. Also is it just me or is the creeper face creepily white.
Zythrone ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 22:53:04 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
It's okay guys, it's just the Reaper hanging around...
You know, just in case.
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wolfduke ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:37:05 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I'm 100% convinced of this explanation.
Zythrone ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:49:36 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
and if anyone is interested, this is actually how they did the Hobbits in the Lord of the Rings movies.
MikhailTheIV ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:28:15 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
That only makes it more scary
copperbricks ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:29:35 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
No matter where you put the creeper it's still really fucking weird
Lobster456 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:15:59 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Or just bigger
Anzai ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 16:32:50 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
So he's further away but he's nine feet tall? That puts my mind at ease.
navynutt ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:51:39 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
My thought is that it looks like a mogadorian from I Am Number Four. If you read the book, they were supposedly much taller than humans and the way their teeth were it made their mouth look really big. Also, they were always pale because they constantly wore a long trench coat with a hood. Which explains why it looks like the figure's coat foes all the way to the ground.
Anzai ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:03:22 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I don't know what that is, sorry. I mean, I'm not saying it's not a human, just that there's some kind of forced perspective going on that makes an illusion that adds to the creepiness.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:47:40 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I didn't really notice that until reading your comment. To me it makes it weirder because he is between the camera guy and the guy on the ledge.
averiar ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:03:28 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
This is the reason that it doesn't creep me out. It just doesn't even look real.
mbakerphoto ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:16:28 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
It looks badly photoshopped to me.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:28:14 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Or he's just huge. Which is even creepier.
GammaGames ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:07:33 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
That is wierd... The tree is clearly closer, with a gap between where the tree is and the guy actually getting his picture of. Yet the bush person is almost the same size proportionally of the main guy, meaning he was standing behind him, or smaller and standing in the vush, overt he edge.
And there are branches behind him, so he has to be in the bush...
omrsafetyo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:19:30 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I don't see it that way at all, the perspective seems consistent with the distances/sizes to me.
MerelyIndifferent ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:33:26 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Double exposure?
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 16:31:13 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Except you can see the bottom of his robe or whatever, but he's partially obscured by branches and not transparent at all. What are the odds of being overlayed perfectly into the perspective of a picture? As in being overlayed behind the branches with no overlapping.
[deleted] ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 15:08:34 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
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-SoulRunner- ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 15:33:19 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I see it now. That was even more creepy than the guy you can clearly see.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:37:13 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Are you guys being serious? I don't see it.
lux_operon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:55:48 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Look to the left of the hooded guy- this one is probably just pareidolia, though.
rcavin1118 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:46:04 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
What did he say?
-SoulRunner- ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:13:30 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
You can see a face next to the guy in the bushes.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:31:37 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
What was!? Op deleted his comment
-SoulRunner- ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:23:39 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Weird. He said you can see a face next to the guy in the bushes.
Rallerboy888 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:34:37 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I see it too
[deleted] ยท 776 points ยท Posted at 15:18:49 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Error during development. Thats someone elses photo overlaid on yours. I mean im not positive b ut the same story happened to me. I knew the person at the photo counter and they showed me the photo it came from... or negative rather.
phoenixink ยท 524 points ยท Posted at 16:23:58 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I agree a double exposure could be possible but there's an incredibly clean outline around him, and only him - no indication of the background from the other image he would have come from.
[deleted] ยท 515 points ยท Posted at 16:31:13 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Plus he's partially behind the tree, that seems a bit far fetched for a double exposure.
I doubt anything paranormal but it could have been a real person just being weird as hell.
[deleted] ยท 68 points ยท Posted at 16:50:07 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I think that's more unsettling than an actual ghost
vapulate ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 20:19:09 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I don't agree... a real ghost would require a complete overhaul of my world view. A creepy dude in the bushes is unsettling, but at least it's within the realm of what I consider to be possible.
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 16:51:10 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Absolutely, it's without a doubt the creepiest thing in this thread for me!
simulant28 ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 17:52:05 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Because we are taking about double exposures on negatives, this is completely likely. Negatives start out clear, and when they are exposed to light, it darkens part of the negative. When printed, that area turns out white because less light passes through the negative onto the photosensitive paper.
So when doing double exposures, the lighter stuff (like the tree over a black hoody) always comes out "on top" of darker stuff. It's counterintuitive but makes for cool photos if you get it right!
Source: I work in a photolab.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:38:33 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Wow, I didn't know that. That's incredibly interested and could be quite plausible! Thanks for taking the time to reply and explain that aspect, very cool job you got there. :)
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:54:44 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
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blackeagle613 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:08:23 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Do you wear a cloak and sneak up on people standing on the edge of a canyon?
PacloverN1 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:57:55 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Just don't wear creepy-ass robes.
factoid_ ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:36:02 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I say it was just staged and everyone is faking it. It's a posed photo.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:21:42 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
He was getting high in the bushes and some dudes showed up and started taking pictures. Being stoned out of his mind he decided to stand motionless until they leave. It worked.
Iwokeupoutsidetoday ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:45:35 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Do you guys think it's plausible to think the guy who developed them pranked them and just never said anything about it.
C0lMustard ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:21:39 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Or the tree obsured most of the double exposure.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:32:54 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
People are idiots. You honestly think that's more far fetched?
whiskey-monk ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:28:49 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah it looks like he's deliberately coming out from behind the tree
thenameszcal ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:24:54 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
The part that's weird is how could you not see someone do that to you which is the why I don't believe it's a person.
Chrysaries ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:58:45 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Well, I don't think it'd be that unlikely someone got the idea of photobombing them so that they would freak out about it later. It sure is creepy, just like the person probably intended.
Surye ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:16:34 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Double exposure would be additive, as long as the tree is darker you wouldn't notice.
Isvara ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:26:24 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Or just a shape that happens to look like a face. Human brains are really good at seeing faces where there is none.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:31:04 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, i's true that the human brain is good at that but this image is clearly not an instance of your brain filling in the gaps. It's very obviously an actual person in the picture.
The human brain does make hoodies out of vague shapes either.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:34:29 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
The original doesn't have a clean outline. That's photoshop doing the second picture.
crazzynez ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:00:30 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
which could easily have been hidden by the bushes if he was standing in a lighter background.
sohowlongcanmynamebe ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:39:50 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Not true. Film cameras have negatives. If you want something to show up in a double exposure, it should be lighter. Black ends up invisible. If this were a double exposure there wouldn't be a black cloak to freak out about. It would be a creepy floating head.
wparkers ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:30:35 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
also not true. i dont think you understand how negatives work dog.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:39:30 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
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wparkers ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:41:13 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
am not. youre wrong.
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wparkers ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:17:23 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
obviously
phoenixink ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:56:46 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Black doesn't necessarily show up invisible, but they are correct that white is going to show up a lot more than black. When you're doing a double exposure, the lighter/white parts are going to come out darker, and the black parts will show up less, because there is less light coming through.
Similar to if you were burning/dodging an image in the darkroom - burning, you use a piece of cardboard with a hole in it to manually darken parts of the image (white) while dodging, you hold a piece of cardboard up while exposing to make less light hit the image, and keep it lighter/less exposed (black).
Snow would be black on a negative, so although yes, maybe if it were a double exposure, they could be standing in snow, but I'd be incredibly impressed unless it was intentional, because there is absolutely no visible difference in the image surrounding him - just a very clean outline around his body.
Constellations94 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:16:55 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Idk the whole original photo (the one not touched up by photoshop), is pretty murky.
FunkEnet ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:24:57 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
He could have been standing in a field of snow.
mastermike14 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:45:23 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
that would be photoshop that is giving that clear outline. look at the original photo and its distorted
phoenixink ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:16:49 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
The glare on my computer is kind of bad, are you saying that the original is photoshopped? Or that it's just the second one that's touched up that's giving the illusion of a clear outline?
Assuming that all they did in the touch up was to brighten the exposure, it would be really impressive if it was a double exposure that they were able to get the background of the branches so dark, basically black, without affecting the exposure of the branches in front, or the surrounding area.
Just from my experience doing double exposures in the lab, you'd have to be extremely skilled to be able to manually enter in the guy while printing the picture. But even then, this is a color photo, and I don't have experience in a color darkroom, though I know that color darkrooms are much more difficult than black & white.
Helen_A_Handbasket ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:49:23 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Oh god, it MUST be supernatural then!
/s
phoenixink ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:55:12 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Just saying, I don't think that if it was edited, that it was via intentional double exposure in a lab- it would be extremely difficult to get such a clean image with that method.
tinybomb ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:54:06 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
How would that make him look like he was behind the bushes? Wouldn't it make it look like he and the bushes were mixed together?
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:59:12 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
If that were the case he'd be superimposed on the bushes, to some extent. They aren't dark enough to totally mask the image he'd make.
You'd also usually expect a double exposure (by the photo lab, or in camera) to show a fair bit of other artifacts, like other bits of imagery in the sky.
losapher ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:06:36 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I really hope so cause this picture bothers me so damn much for some reason
willystylee ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:12:00 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
If it was a double exposure or development error, wouldnt there be more of the figure's body over or in front of the trees it looks to be behind? The figure appears to be clearly behind the trees in the shot, with a double exposure i would think you'd be able to see more of it's body in front of the trees.
JaccoMacacco ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:13:40 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I could be completely off but wouldn't that screw up the depth shown? It looks like the tree in the front overlays the person but the person blocks anything behind it, shouldn't it just go over everything or behind everything? Stupid hangover is making it impossible to think but hopefully that makes sense.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:27:22 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I had lots of goth, stoner, artist friends that worked min wage jobs in photo labs back in the day. I wouldn't put it past any of them to superimpose an image like that.
-10-5-19-20-5-18- ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:44:27 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
He's behind the leafs. Would that happen with a error like that?
sohowlongcanmynamebe ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:48:25 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Black is clear in negatives. If it were a double exposure we wouldn't see a black coat, we'd just see a floating head.
KennyFulgencio ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:19:07 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Someone in-the-know told me that this is why my drug screen turned up evidence of morphine, amphetamine, and barbiturates (none of which I have ever seen in person, let alone used). That apparently it's not that uncommon for test results to have their labels accidentally swapped by careless, overworked lab techs.
creme_fappuccino ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:03:56 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
As a former photo lab worker, that doesn't really make sense. The carriage (the part that holds the film) on a paper printer can only accommodate one 35mm film strip. But I suppose the operator could have opened the top of the carriage and placed a second strip over the first one, but then it would no longer be an error, it would be the operator intentionally fucking with the customer.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:40:54 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
And you honestly believe that?
twerve ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:36:20 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Probably is, cause the perspective is way off. The kid is standing as far away from camera as the man (maybe even a little further) but his head is almost the size of the man's upper half.
ketR22 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:51:14 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I've spent time working in a darkroom, and a double exposure would not look this clear. And I don't know how you could accidentally create a double exposure while making a print unless there's room for multiple negative carriers on the enlarger.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:02:10 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Good point. I just noticed that I have never seen a "paranormal" picture on a picture produced by a digital camera, only on film.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:28:44 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Nope. Not this one.
shatskyboy0108 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:35:20 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
The two images were developed at different times do I doubt that person would have gotten the same mistake twice
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 16:28:11 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Also, double exposures are usually partially transparent because they're overlaid on. Why would it overlay him behind the tree when you can see his feet (is he wearing some kind robe? The fuck?) behind more trees. No overlaying is going to conveniently miss every branch in front of him to overlay him behind like that.
Not paranormal, but a creepy as hell dude, and that's even scarier.
HoeAssNigga ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 16:55:28 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
If I had money I would give you gold. Look at how large the 'ghost' in the picture is compared to the 'uncle.' There is no way for that 'ghost' to physically be anywhere in this picture that is realistically possible based on the perspective. However, does anyone have any good examples of this 'photo overlay' phenomenon? sounds interesting.
Fluffydodo ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 15:22:20 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
http://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/159kdp/what_is_an_extremely_darkcreepy_true_story_most/c7kitcg
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 15:11:28 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
http://personalghoststories.wordpress.com/2012/12/22/the-man-in-the-grand-canyon-photo/
Sorry for the messy link; I'm on my phone. Is this it? I like this one.
GotMittens ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:18:23 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Yep, that's the one. I've already linked through to the post I found it on (which in turn links to the original) but thanks all the same!
Zammin ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 15:44:05 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I'm guessing that's not supernatural, but it IS hella creepy. What kinda guy hides in the bushes staring at people at the Grand Canyon?
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cheesecrazy ยท 56 points ยท Posted at 15:23:23 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
How is a picture of a person evidence of the supernatural?
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RecordHigh ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 15:55:51 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I'm pretty sure that all supernatural events can be explained by natural causes and are based on the willful belief in "ghost stories." This picture fits the pattern just fine.
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HEHEUHEHAHEAHUEH ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:33:47 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
The majority of the submissions in this thread are just "creepy" or "strange". I've only seen a handful of supposedly supernatural images.
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Slightly_Insulted ยท 28 points ยท Posted at 15:26:59 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
What if that guy was planning on pushing someone over the edge, but he saw pictures were being taken and decided to wait for the next potential victim? I wonder if there were any "suicides" at the canyon that day?
sonmi450 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 21:26:07 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I mean, that's a possibility. But it's way, waay more likely that he's just some random dude who snuck off to pee and accidentally wandered into a photo.
Von_Miller ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 16:07:53 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
That's my guess. There are a lot of messed up people in this world. He could have been waiting for a tourist to visit and when the time is right, he was going to run up and push the uncle off the canyon. (I think some people get a sick sexual thrill or something like that from doing things like that). Once he saw the other man with the camera, he jumped back into the bushes to hide. Or maybe he was planning on killing himself, but wanted to wait for them to leave before he jumped so he wouldn't scar these two random tourist's for life. Or he could have just been a normal guy hanging out at the Grand Canyon and walked over to see what these two guys were up to and when he saw they were taking a picture, he tried to get out of frame real quick so he wouldn't ruin their picture. Just because he's wearing black doesn't mean he's up to no good. Maybe he just happens to have a black winter coat and dark jeans. (I do).
It would be interesting to find out the date of when that picture was taken and research if there were any deaths on that same day or around that time.
Brownhops ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:28:56 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
As noted above, you can't die falling off the edge because there is a ledge 10-12 feet below it.
Wickenshire ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:26:50 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
That looks like a case of pareidolia, where the branches of foliage just seem to form the features of a mysterious face. Whoever fixed up the original image took some creative liberties to exaggerate aspects that only seemed present.
SweetNeo85 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:01:41 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
The fact that more people don't seem to be realizing this is much more terrifying than the picture itself.
wittyism ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:41:26 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I'm pretty sure the first original image is pareidolia and the second was just photoshopped over.
Clayh5 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:24:24 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Mhm... Mhm... Yep, that is definitely a person. No pareidolia here.
OmarGrind ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:04:21 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
That mother fuck is in spitting distance, WAY to close for comfort.
jumfruit ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:49:01 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Wow!! It's almost as if Death was watching over him, waiting to collect the guy's soul if he fell off...
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GotMittens ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:23:55 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Now THERE'S an idea!
PartyPoison98 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:34:29 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
It's almost as if people on reddit will lie to get fake internet points!
d8f7de479b1fae3d85d3 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:51:11 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Found another one: http://img.gawkerassets.com/img/17f3hh1n1lsvnpng/ku-xlarge.png
MrDandelion ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:52:00 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
That's totally like 100% pareidolia.
lapagecp ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:54:08 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Simple case of forced perspective.
RoboticLamb ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:24:24 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
He's really white and ghostly looking, reminds me of the observers from Fringe
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Mystery_Hours ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:24:25 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Classic super creepy dude.
RelevantAccount ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:13:46 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
When I found it in the first picture I nearly fell off my bed.
ItIsWhatItls ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:18:29 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
This dude has no idea how close he came to just being pushed off the edge. Hell I may have fallen on my own if I turned around to see this kid.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:19:46 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I remember reading this. Still creepy as fuck.
kaptoo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:25:27 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I see 2...
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:28:47 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
"When you see it..."
Kwyjibo68 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:29:30 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
It's only creepy if you believe the original story about the picture.
GotMittens ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:31:00 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Which is true for most of these posts to be fair.
Kwyjibo68 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:36:42 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
True, though the Grand Canyon picture clearly has 2 people in it, to my eyes. A lot of the other images posted here don't look like much of anything to me.
It's a good story though. Most people seem to want to buy into it.
MerelyIndifferent ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:32:01 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
You mean he swears he didn't see him at the time.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:33:32 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
That's actually Death.
PuppyBreath ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:33:42 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
This is the only one that actually creeped me out. Imagine how easily dude could have pushed him.
Shadax ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:34:02 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Not supernatural. But creepy and interesting nonetheless.
GotMittens ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:35:58 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Unless its Death, which is kinda supernatural. What with his pale skin, long black cloak, and apparent preparedness to push people off ledges.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:34:23 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
well ain't that some shit
gerules ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:36:49 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Photo bomb level: phenomenal..
toiletduckling ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:38:08 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Holy crap they looks like a home alone grim reaper
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:38:19 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
fucking druid
heelercs ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:38:22 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe it was a person
TheMrMadzen ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:39:14 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
It's the infamous ledge pusher!
donwilson ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:39:43 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Oh, well in that case, okay
Specteron ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:40:24 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Those are already purple for me, I remember reading that those pictures are fake, there is even an unedited one, without the "old" effect and without the "ghost." I'll see if I can find it.
lizzy223 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:40:27 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
If that's real then in the wise works of Frank Reynolds, that's "creepy as shit".
brianberns ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:40:57 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Creepy? Maybe.
Supernatural? Nope.
ukrainnigga ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:42:53 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
lol maybe he was from special forces? someone once said on reddit that their dad taught then to stalk ppl silently bc he just came out of the military and still hasn't adapted to normal civilian life
ZacBalZac ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:42:54 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Seriously creepy, can we get a zoom in on face?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:43:23 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I really don't have anything to say to say its fake. The image is too clear to be our brain processing dust as bodies. The only thing I can think of is that it might be a homeless man but that's all I got.
Tibokio ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:45:52 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
OK, that is fucking creepy.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:46:32 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I would guess that whoever is in the bushes wanted to experience the view of the man standing by the edge. Walking over there, he sees that there is a picture being taken and tries to hide behind the bushes. Only problem I have is, Why is the guy so creepy looking?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:46:44 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
So there is a clear anthropomorphic silhouette directly to the right of the uncle, too. When I saw the picture with the arrow I thought this was a joke. I mean, that's obviously just some guy messing with them, right?
Bum_Ruckus ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:48:39 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
This is clearly b.s. Its just a bunch of leaves and the poor photo quality makes it seem like a persons face. In reality its just 6 pixels in a vague smiley face pattern. The brain is very good at recognizing faces, even to the point of giving false positives.
keiyakins ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:49:29 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
They asked for supernatural, not weird phenomina that happen in our universe.
Juicy-Drucy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:50:17 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
when you see it, you'll shit bricks
1minuteman ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:50:30 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
when i clicked on the second picture as soon as i saw that face it sent a shiver down my spine, whether or not the picture is legit its probably the creepiest ive ever seen
Hellofriendinternet ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:50:39 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
It's Death. He's thinking "Alright, bases loaded, bottom of the 9th... Snow on the ground at the Grand Canyon. Got a man at the edge of a friggin cliff just need him to get a liiiiitle closer -winding up disposable camera The f-?. Oh shit. Cover blown."
Von_Miller ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:51:14 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I love everything paranormal and I also love believing in ghosts, but I always try to find the logical explanation to everything first. That way, if I can't think of anything, it makes it that much creepier.
Skeptical me says: I don't think this is a ghost picture though. IMO, the uncle was getting his picture taken and a kid who was hanging out up there walked up to see what they were doing and right as he walked up he realized they were taking a picture so he tried to get out of the picture real quick because he didn't want to ruin it.
There is no proof that the two brothers, that were visiting the Grand Canyon, are telling the truth about no one else being up there with them. For all we know, they could have thought they were alone, but after this picture was taken they noticed the kid and talked to him. It just makes a better story for them if they tell people they never saw the kid while they were there.
Non-skeptical me says: It is very suspicious that a kid, that looks to be in his 20s maybe age 23-28, is at the Grand Canyon by himself wearing all black and standing in the bushes. I don't think the guy in black is a ghost. I'm guessing he's a living/breathing human being, but what scares me the most is maybe people like him go up to the Grand Canyon and wait for tourists who are there by themselves so they can push them off or mug them and then push them off. He could have been hiding and watching the Uncle stand at the edge of the canyon, waiting for the right opportunity to push him off when all of the sudden he looks over and sees there's a second person with the uncle taking a picture. So the man in black tries to jump back into the bushes real quick.
Either way, it's a creepy picture, but I don't think it's a ghost. Just a creepy kid.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:51:23 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Okay, so can someone explain to me why everyone is always freaking out about this? I mean - they took the picture and didn't notice someone else happened to be standing there. Is there something I'm missing?
GirlyWhirl ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:52:32 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
The creepy dude looks to be around 14 years old. Maybe he lost his parents and needs assistance.
B150N ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:52:37 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
It's the infamous ledge pusher.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:52:55 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
He also said that there were no other cats nearby.
thatsnomoon87 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:53:09 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
It's death from Bill and Ted!
CunderousThunt ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:53:42 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
NOPE.
pinkponydie ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:53:56 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Omg. I know someone who looks like him
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:54:51 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Also, who the heck wears a black hooded robe nowadays?
chadusan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:56:37 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Heeeyyy uncle dad
t0st0 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:57:11 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
They are near a viewing point. The dad went to the edge to take a picture. Some kid wanted to go further out and explore. He went near the tree, noticed a guy was taking a picture, and then was like oh woops now I'm a creepy ghost person.
๐๏ธ yzbro ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:58:59 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
And when he turned around after the picture was taken the guy was gone?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:59:34 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Thank God its morning here, otherwise I'd be laying In bed with a pile of my own crap in my underwear, paralyzed from fear. Shit. That's good.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:01:27 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Looks like Grima Wormtongue is plotting something...
bjdevall ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:03:18 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
You sure it's not someone just taking a piss in the woods and you busted him.
GotMittens ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:03:56 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I busted nothing. I made this very clear.
downvote6677 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:05:04 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I think you guys ruled out human errors too quickly. Occam's razor man...
Biffabin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:06:33 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
What the fuck it's he even standing on.
Ewb8 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:13:53 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Lol! These are all so obviously two photos meshed together (not saying it's intentional.)! The other top voted photos on this thread that feature translucent faces/bodies also stink of printing errors...35 mm film in general can produce some very freaky deaky effects because, well hey, the process of photography is one of recording light! Something is bound to go wrong on occasion.
GotMittens ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:16:20 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Actually I think this diagram by /u/TheVacillate better explains what happened. Still doesn't explain why they didn't see him, but then that could just be a lie, the guy hid quickly afterwards, or he is evil incarnate.
Greful ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:14:15 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
It sure is creepy, but I don't think it's a convincing example of something supernatural. The touched up one seems to be a little too touched up in order to boost the creepiness factor.
The_Narrators ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:16:51 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
This photo was taken at a part of the Grand Canyon know as the Abyss since it is one of the steepest drops from the edge , it has also been a favorite place for people to drive off, Thelma and Louise style.
KillerBeeTX ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:18:31 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
How is some random guy standing in the bushes supernatural?
Ramton ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:19:27 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Also that guy is huge
Sk_allday ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:20:47 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah I remember this thread it's fucked up he's wearing a black cloak and he looks like he's 7 ft!
Ganderla ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:21:07 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
At first i couldn't see it so I decided to zoom in. Immediately after I saw his face I just said, "Oh, holy fuck"
DrizztDoUrdenZ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:24:34 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
TIL it snows at the Grand Canyon.
GotMittens ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:26:54 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
And on pyramids.
puritycontrol ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:26:27 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I looked at the first photo and thought, "Oh, I don't see anything" then switched to the enhanced photo and almost jumped out of my seat. That is creeptastic.
C_Terror ยท 591 points ยท Posted at 15:27:57 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I took this right before I walked into the Parisian catacombs. The entrance says "STOP, THIS HERE LIES THE EMPIRE OF THE DEAD".
Edit: Also just wanted to say there was no one there when I took the picture, and it was a digital camera
arcrinsis ยท 112 points ยท Posted at 19:39:04 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
"It was made by those who are dead."
"And the dead keep it"
TheThoughtAssassin ยท 26 points ยท Posted at 19:56:16 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
The way is shut
bestbiff ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 21:08:01 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Now you must die.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:10:26 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
My favorite scene in the whole movie.
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C_Terror ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 03:39:16 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
That's crazy! It showed the face in much clearer detail
etothepowerof3 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:41:25 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)*
Looks like a girl wearing a dark hoodie with a pony tail and glasses. Maybe you just couldn't see her because the tunnel was dark
and your flash barely hit her?C_Terror ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:57:09 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
There wasn't any flash when I took that picture, and there was nobody there at the time though (like we were one of the few groups there and it was a one way entrance only doorway). That picture that looks flashed was just somebody lightening the picture up on photoshop
kissmyleaf420 ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 16:32:14 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Can you point out what it is I am looking at here?
Lonesome_phoenix ยท 27 points ยท Posted at 17:54:23 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Here you go
Swnsong ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 18:49:18 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
The only thing in this thread that got a response out of me. Damn, that gave me the chills.
Fucking_That_Chicken ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 21:56:14 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
is it the "magic eye"-type image that kind of looks like Sarah Palin?
Damn, that does give me the chills.
kissmyleaf420 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:00:48 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Oh ok. On my phone is just kind of looked like the hallway reflecting light a bit. I see it now. Thank you
I-baLL ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:42:28 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
That's what it looks like to me too.
MojoMaster2 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:26:51 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
See that figure. Thats a ghost
a00153 ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 16:01:38 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not seeing anything...
idkjay ยท 40 points ยท Posted at 16:40:37 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Could be that vague looking person right there.
BIG_JUICY_TITTIEZ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:04:37 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Gotta crank up your brightness way high to see it.
a00153 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:51:50 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Ah! Thanks!
C_Terror ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:40:27 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Someone cranked up the brightness of the picture in the children thread, it should show it in clearer detail.
Yemanga ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 19:31:51 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I can just imagine the guys who built the catacombs having a great laugh: 'Oh, this will freak some people out!'
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:03:10 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
What's supernatural about it?
[deleted] ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 16:18:32 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
The dude under the gate.
Brderhps951 ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 16:19:27 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Dust on the lens?
[deleted] ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 16:20:13 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
More likely just a regular dude who is not a ghost moved quickly in front of the camera.
Edit: Actually, after looking at it again, you might be right as well.
Brderhps951 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:29:04 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Or idk if it may have to do with the exposure time. Seeing this glob is centered, it seems like the camera may have captured some reflecting light?
Be interesting to know if this was taken with or without flash.
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Brderhps951 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:28:39 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Ah very well, like I said I don't know much about cameras so thanks for the clarification
C_Terror ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:41:14 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Yep, OP here, you're correct. It was taken without flash.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:20:52 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Definitely not a dude...
Brderhps951 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:25:14 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I don't know much about photography and that stuff so I guess I should ask if this is possible to recreate.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:51:41 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
That's not supernatural, but goddamn that is the best and creepiest thing in the thread.
korak-b ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 18:14:08 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
There are other various signs throughout the catacombs as well, one of which says, "SILENCE, ETRES MORTELS" which I'm pretty sure you can translate.
For those who truly can't guess, it means "Silence, mortals."
Urgullibl ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:10:24 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
"Silence, mortal beings", actually
APiousCultist ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:09:41 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Looks like a dust mote more than anything.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:39:29 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Why would you go there? In places like this, the living aren't welcome.
dijitalia ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:01:24 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I don't see it. Is it that little smudge in the dark?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:35:00 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
There are always people there, there are constant tour groups, and the sign reads less like something written by a hillbilly.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:43:03 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
The way is shut. It was made by those who are dead, and the dead keep it.
Seagull84 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:27:29 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Not sure what you think it is, but it's simply light refraction that a digital camera doesn't know how to deal with when translating to pixels. Processed film would not have come out the same way.
Mk36c ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:33:08 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
What am I looking for?
jakeismyname505 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:02:53 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
He looks pretty Caucasian for a Persian.
DildoChrist ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:34:05 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Parisian. French people, not Iranian.
Montezum ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:34:29 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I would never understand why the fuck would someone go down there. And just by looking at people's threads about PARTYING there around many skeletons is just too much
silent_hvalross ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:07:15 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Call me crazy but I can't see anything.
Beatle_Matt ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:33:50 on December 16, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Man, I went there on my trip to Paris, and it was the single most creepy experience I ever had - especially walking up the seemingly "never ending staircase" to get out. THAT scared me more than anything.
aazav ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 17:37:14 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
And what? What is unusual about that?
Tribar ยท 579 points ยท Posted at 15:01:31 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)*
I don't really believe in this sort of stuff but this one of Freddie Jackson has always made me wonder.
Anzai ยท 552 points ยท Posted at 15:42:00 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
This photo was taken in 1919, which meant that the film required a very long exposure, so if anybody moved then they would cause an effect very much like this.
[deleted] ยท 96 points ยท Posted at 17:03:22 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)*
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Kind_of_crap ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 20:15:23 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
What makes you think that the best camera available was used to take the first picture?
Rappaccini ยท 22 points ยท Posted at 19:10:06 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
It's not the age of the photograph, it's the width. Even today film pictures of large panoramas often have to utilize long exposures to capture the entire view. I knew a kid in summer camp who appeared twice in the panoramic camp photo because he started at one end and ran behind as soon as the picture was being taken, and got to the other side of the group before the picture was done.
The picture shown looks very cropped, it was probably originally a much wider shot that had both ends cropped out to focus on the "ghost".
The_Karma_Killer ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 20:05:41 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
That doesn't mean they did. Different film types and exposure times, etc. could account for this. Especially with a big picture such as this, I be they used a film with a smaller ISO for more detail.
bollin4whales ยท 59 points ยท Posted at 16:10:27 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Notice how none of the men are without a hat but "Freddie" is. And the little bit of facial structure that you can see doesn't match any around. And since this is the only one seen, you can gather that is was probably not a botched picture.
TheWhiteeKnight ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 17:39:47 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
You know, people were fully capable of editing photos back in the early 1900's, right? That's where the name Photoshop comes from, because they worked in actual photoshop. Most of the tools in photoshop were effects people were able to accomplish almost 100 years ago, it just wasn't as streamlined as it is today, so it was far less common, but it existed.
Anzai ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 16:28:22 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Well the whole picture need not be botched, just one fidgety man at the back moved his head too much. The face behind is blurred enough to not definitively not be the face of the man he appears behind.
AzDopefish ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 16:59:28 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Call me crazy, but the face doesn't look that blurred. And like the person you're replying to said, he does not have a hat while everyone else does. You can clearly see his hair line. I'm not saying this is a ghost or there is no other explanation, I'm just saying your explanation doesn't make much sense.
MrPendent ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:55:30 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I can't find them in the bigger picture. Can someone point out where even the "real" guy is in the group photo?
EDIT: Never mind--found him. Top row, in the middle.
lacienega ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:46:57 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I hadn't noticed the lack of a hat, hmm.
[deleted] ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 16:23:11 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
So its unlikely that it isn't a botched picture but more likely that it is a ghost? wut?
tonterias ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 16:59:09 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Jackson moved.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:00:34 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Yes I know but bollin4whales said that it was probably not a botched picture, implying ghosts.
bollin4whales ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:15:17 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I by no means said it definitely is a ghost. Just simply saying that the evidence is there. I'm on the fence about ghosts and entities but this is a strong case even if the capabilities were there to alter the photo.
AppleBerryPoo ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 17:03:57 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
But the face is different than those around it. It's a seperate. face
military_history ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:24:21 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
It looks to me to be exactly the same face as the guy it's peering from behind.
spenrose22 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:08:51 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
i dont see that
AppleBerryPoo ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:26:28 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
But the guy he's peering from has a hat. He doesn't
military_history ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:39:14 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
There's plenty of ways that could have happened. The camera captured the guy's face better than his hat, which blended into the background. The picture's photoshopped. The guy could have actually taken off his hat.
I'd like someone to explain why the guy and the 'ghost' have the same face.
mcdonaldrichard ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:20:25 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah I agree but the 'ghost' or whatever looks like a different person and more importantly isn't wearing a hat.
JRParrott ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:32:09 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Uh, no. By 1919 there was plenty of film capable of capturing photos at higher shutter speeds. Motion blur would be a HUGE issue if this was shot on a daguerreotype. That being said, this is still probably the result of motion blur, whether it was caused in camera or in the dark room.
WhatABeautifulMess ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:27:39 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)*
As someone mentions in another comment the supposedly freaky thing is several men in the picture later recognized the guy as a member of the unit who'd died a few days before this.
Edit: typo
bigsol81 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:53:48 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
They could photograph movement in 1919...
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 16:53:56 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
False. By the time of the year 1919 the exposure time was mostly instantaneous. If not, motion pictures would have been impossible.
However, I do not believe the validity of this story. All the men are positioned as if they are cramped, but Freddie Jackson comfortably fits in a spot. Take him out and you have a pretty empty hole, while guys are cramped in the back. I don't buy it.
APretentiousHipster ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 17:20:43 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I thought of this. But you missed Freddy. Look behind and to the right on the close up.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:24:36 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Oh, I understand now. I seriously thought it was the happy guy standing there all nonchalantly. Makes much more sense.
Brandon23z ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:44:44 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
But you can tell that it doesn't look like him...
Sensual_predator ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:46:39 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
But didn't the people there identify the face of a man who had supposedly died a couple days before?
glowingdinorobot ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:47:44 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah the "ghost" actually appears to be the same guy in the foreground.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:59:33 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
as people have said the shutter speeds weren't incredibly slow in 1919. i think the facts like the apparition clearly looks different from the flanked men in terms of facial structure and hatlessness, and that the face was recognized unanimously as their very recently deceased friend makes this one pretty interesting.
EightBitHustler ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:18:19 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Except the guy identified as Freddie was apparently already dead by about two days prior to that photo.
Anzai ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:16:47 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
So it's clearly not Freddie Jackson then.
pricesb123 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:19:58 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I was thinking the exact same thing. The "shadow" behind him looks exactly like him, which means, to me, that he just moved slightly as the photo was being taken. Look at the outline of the nose and eyes. It's the same guy.
ShamanicHellZoneImp ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:18:48 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Your timeline of photography is off by a few decades.
William_da_foe ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:57:20 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I believe the guy took off his hat, moved, then put it back on or something like that. His eye bags match to the ghostly aspiration
Staatsburg ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:11:25 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Theres that, plus the two guys on either side of him... If he wasn't actually there, then that means those guys were standing really far apart for no reason.
spenrose22 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 22:09:21 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
yea youre not seeing the guy behind that guy
havana_fair ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 15:25:05 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Amazing, isn't it? It's such a great story too.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:10:46 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
It is very much like the short story by Algernon Blackwood called "the appointment"
A man, who had promised his wife to sit for a portrait, was determined to keep his appointment.
Really compelling stuff, that writer. From his collection "stories of the uncanny and supernatural." Ultimately one of my most favorite books of all time.
havana_fair ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:48:00 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
There's a Japanese Ghost story about the power of a mother's love, where a woman cares for a baby even after she dies.
seagotes ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:47:00 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
There was a pretty clear explanation of this in a similar thread some weeks ago. It had something to do with old cameras and previously taken pictures that could be seen on new pictures...
I don't remember correctly but you'll get it
Special_snake ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:07:56 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
The guy looks like Rudy from Misfits.
J9AC9K ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 15:29:15 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)*
It looks more like the dude was moving when the picture was taken to me. Could also be that his face was smudged slightly when someone was developing the picture, since the "ghost face" is really just a smudge to the right of the real face.
b_rabbit_ ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 15:46:22 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
But the "smudge" isn't wearing a hat, you can see the hairline perfectly
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:36:00 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
So the guy moved and put his hat on? But no, that would be insane! It must be a ghost!
hyperbolical ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:37:32 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Not that its a ghost, but who puts a hat on while the picture is being taken?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:09:30 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Someone who was messing arround? Forgot to put it on?
cobeast ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 15:45:37 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Nope sorry, your logic will not save you here. Ghost dude is uncovered, in other words, he's not wearing a hat.
momzill ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:06:15 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Except that the the smudged face of 'the ghost' isn't wearing a hat and the dude in front is.
[deleted] ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 15:39:38 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Your logic has unspooked me. Thank you.
s3t1p ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:21:01 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Best photobomb ever
DeusEXMachin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:50:01 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
The ghost looks a little like Stephen Wagner. The guy who wrote the article.
super_dilated ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:34:11 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Seems rather strange that they would leave a massive gap there though. Why don't the 3 to the left move in by 1 person?
TheGreatZiegfeld ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:36:14 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
It could have been exposure from a previous photo, though it'd be pretty coincidental if it was.
thisrockismyboone ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:00:03 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I honestly think its a real picture, with real people, but a fake story
hamsterbackpack ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:15:50 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spirit_photography
Photographers have been faking spirit photographs with double exposure for almost as long as photography has existed. This really just looks like a well done fake on the part of the photographer.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:24:09 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Simple: The film was sent in to a developer who wrote the date that the photo was developed, as opposed to the date the photo was taken. The time between photographing and reporting was 56 years. A simple mistake like that can be overlooked and forgotten quite easily. Significantly easier than it would be to create an actual haunting.
pwendler2 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:57:43 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
If you google something along the lines of "old-timey photo long exposure defects" you'll get alot of pictures like this.
philtp ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:41:52 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
If this guy wasn't supposed to be there, why are they spaced out to make room for someone in that spot for a shoot that would normally ask everyone to be towards the center?
More likely that, say, they got the date wrong by 2 days, it's someone else that looks similar, or any other host of possible explanations.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:06:12 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
You made the same mistake I did when looking at this. They're not saying that the dude zoomed in wasn't supposed to be there- look at the faint image of a face just to his left (your right when looking at the photo). I agree there are a ton of reasonable explanations but I think you missed the image we're actually looking at. Like I said it took me a minute too.
GDemon666 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:47:58 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
This wins
LelanaSongwind ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:19:40 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
That is ridiculously creepy.
Roselilly68 ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 15:44:12 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
The 'ghost' always looked like Keanu Reeves to me. Maybe he is immortal.
[deleted] ยท 107 points ยท Posted at 16:59:55 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I remember this guy coming into the /r/paranormal subreddit and posting this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A3xdwnOUqRg&feature=youtu.be. It creeped me the fuck out. Nothing about the OP's behaviour screams blatent fake and his reaction was almost the same as mine as I was going through the video.
callmegamgam ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 18:11:17 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I couldn't see anything in that video, care to elaborate?
[deleted] ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 18:11:59 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
At 1:20 you can see what looks like someone's back.
drinking4life ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 20:06:30 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
1:20? It was closer to 1:30.
scottcmu ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 22:03:30 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I see a pretty butterfly.
Montezum ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:36:07 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Thank you! I'm glad you noticed
[deleted] ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 18:25:39 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
We see a large, dark black shadow that appears to be standing over the back of a beaten man.
[deleted] ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 19:07:40 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)*
I see the guys back but not the shadow?
Edit: I see it now its very vague but creepy. It looks like a black/transperant person at about 1:22
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:30:05 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, you see the naked back of one of his friends that they planted there for the video.
Scurry!
PamCakers ยท 30 points ยท Posted at 18:16:08 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
This is why I hate basements, everything about them is creepy; they're dark, damp, have lots of spiders, make funny noises, and now this one has naked person/ghost in it. NOPE.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 10:04:25 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Naked person? In a basement? ISAAC IS THAT YOU.
SpudOfDoom ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 22:58:38 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I think this is a screen cap of the moment he flips out
Honestly it doesn't look that weird to me at all. People saying "Oh yeah that looks like a human backbut the shape of the "shoulders" doesn't work at all. When I see that image I think "this is a bag or cement, or some kind of sack"
eviltrollwizard ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:27:28 on December 16, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
He has his head down and his hands over his neck. More than likely if not fake it's a meth head. They get into a lot of vacant houses.
SpudOfDoom ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:37:05 on December 16, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah I understand the position, but assuming the head was tucked all the way forward, you wouldn't have shoulders appearing that dramatic even if they were fully protracted.
eviltrollwizard ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:10:06 on December 16, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I've seen lots of images in those poses. Imagine pulling in the arms which would make the shoulder blades stick out. http://www.dailyartfixx.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/Back-of-Nude-Edward-Weston-1937.jpg
google these poses you'll find loads of them.
Hitsu123 ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 20:06:33 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
In the original thread, OP said the filmer didn't even freak out about what we see in the video. He said he freaked because he saw something in the corner of the eye. Here's the comment:
And a link to the old thread:
http://www.reddit.com/r/Paranormal/comments/1b27gv/something_wierd_my_friend_and_i_captured_the/
Dgremlin ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 19:40:52 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I'm pretty sure it was mice.
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 21:56:33 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Why am I not surprised that the 2nd highest rated comment on that video is "Not gonna buy this one. :) No aura's. Felt nothing. Not being rude, but I'm thinking it's a great trick. And that's all it is." and it's posted by a guy named RockStarPreacher
KneeDeepInTheDead ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 21:10:29 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
i cant even see anything
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:09:34 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Same. I checked the 1:20 an 1:30 parts, and can't see shit.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 22:47:41 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
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SevFTW ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:03:28 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Can someone post the screenshot of what it is? I can't see it.
Babomancer ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 23:46:34 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
screenshot of part in question: http://i.imgur.com/7dKMIFS.png
gloomdoom ยท 34 points ยท Posted at 18:28:01 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Want to know when someone is faking a "ghost" video? They explain everything they're doing and claim to see. It's an over compensation in trying to convince others of something that they realize isn't really there.
"I'm seeing smoke"
"I'm seeing these little things move everywhere"
"I'm seeing a decapitated corpse."
No, you're not. You're faking a "ghost" video and you're trying way too hard.
zamwut ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 23:29:20 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
He's using his camera as his seeing eye. He makes no comment on the body during the video.
Ilykk14 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:47:44 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I believe what we saw probably wasn't a person. Not sure exactly what it IS, but not a person. You can clearly see what seems to be a spine, you can clearly see what seems to be shoulder blades, but what isn't there are actual shoulders that would connect to the arms. The shoulder blades are far too off to the sides of the body for there to be any shoulders. Just what I think at least.
shatskyboy0108 ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 01:15:41 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Ok
Dreamember ยท 2450 points ยท Posted at 14:42:03 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)*
My friend's dad took this photo in the woods of his kids and noticed something in the background about a year later when zoomed in. Creepy as hell, and I know he hasn't messed with the photo in any way.
Edit: Look at the far left of the picture
angelicmaiden ยท 1286 points ยท Posted at 15:08:49 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
It looks like a kodama (Japanese forest spirit).
deeboe ยท 658 points ยท Posted at 16:55:50 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
My neighbor found one of those in her yard this fall: http://i.imgur.com/fNVXW1B.jpg Was actually a mushroom.
Drakonisch ยท 23 points ยท Posted at 19:41:12 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
At least that's the story he told you. It wasn't really a mushroom, he killed it and kept the head as a trophy.
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 21:50:35 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
If I came across that, I would become known as the guy who pissed himself because of a mushroom. That thing is scurry-lookin'.
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 20:09:36 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I find this more interesting than most of these threads.
mickio1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:12:39 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
its a nice mushroom tough
neoballoon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:13:10 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Is she in japan?
ALPB11 ยท 199 points ยท Posted at 15:46:56 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I loved that movie. The way they moved their heads around and the noises they made were funny.
DrPersuader ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 16:26:00 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Which movie was that?
ThisIsFlight ยท 22 points ยท Posted at 16:31:28 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Princess Mononoke.
Like any Miyazaki film, worth the watch.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:46:24 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Aww I remember watching that a while ago, good movie
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:45:23 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I remember living near a theater that actually showed Miyazaki films. :( The first time I saw Mononoke it was on the big screen.
Cryse_XIII ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 21:27:52 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I always wonder what exactly makes them good?
I think you can watch them once but personally I never find them appealing, and I wouldn't recommend them to others (because I don't know why I should).
that could just be me being a fan of Studio Bones and their animations (FMA Brotherhood, Soul Eater, Sword of the stanger) (They just deliver action scenes like no other).
bgpt ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:22:24 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Depends on which ones you've watched. I think Princess Monoke is a bit different than conventional Miyazaki films. It has great action and more gore than I expected. I'd give it a chance even if you never liked other Miyazaki films.
Cryse_XIII ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:09:04 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I thought Mononoke had boring action sequences
hickey87 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:40:08 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Attack on Titan wins when it comes to action sequences
Cryse_XIII ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 10:53:49 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
the source material is appearing so slowly that they handle animation and direction really well.
each episode is a bomb (no critique on the story, I like the show), I just think that, if it weren't such a bomb it might have drowned in all the highschool shit that gets thrown on the market.
still I like Bones action sequences more, they don't rely on quick cuts or wild camera angels, overall it looks more impressive to me than anything else I have seen.
hickey87 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:59:20 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Fair enough. I love them both for their own merits and my feelings about AoT may change as it ages.
azrhei ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 16:31:03 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Princess Mononoke
ALPB11 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:23:18 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Princess Mononoke (I think, one of the Ghibli movies anyway)
FailFodder ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:35:05 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I saw portions of that movie a few years back, and always wanted to watch the whole thing because it looked great. Pretty sure there was a badass samurai who could cut people in half with his sword or something. What was the name of the film, if you remember?
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:16:06 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Princess Mononoke
ALPB11 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:23:49 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Princess Mononoke (I think)
Death_has_relaxed_me ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:03:58 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Right? I always wanted a clock with one of their heads as the second counter. Or maybe one of those solar toys!
Natedogg5693 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:26:05 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
What movie please?
heeldawg ยท 66 points ยท Posted at 15:50:57 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
That made me a lot less scared. Thankkss
djaclsdk ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:48:51 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
the most adorable ghosts ever
b_rabbit_ ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:48:30 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I thought it was Jason
Dasmahkitteh ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 17:00:11 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Creepy as hell to read your comment while in Japan near the forest
MarvelousMagikarp ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:10:34 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
That picture was a lot less scary than I thought it was going to be.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:20:48 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Is that from a Ghibli film?
aaronrenoawesome ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:38:38 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Princess Mononoke.
Level_75_Zapdos ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:43:13 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I bet he was just searching for a couple lands.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:53:51 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Those are adorable. I'd let them haunt me.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:03:50 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
That is exactly what I was thinking, until I saw the while body.
jchef1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:21:21 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
aww they are pretty cute.
TootsieHG ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:29:24 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
It looks like a kodama wearing a suit. A fancy kodama.
willbo360 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:32:40 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I posted the same comment before I saw this haha. Even used the same picture... magic
TerkRockerfeller ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:52:28 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I was wondering what this was called! A classmate has this on her shirt and a steam friend in his avatar
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:13:13 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
This is my favorite reddit comment of all time. Thank you.
Future_Timer ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:05:43 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
looks like frosty the snow man
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:18:50 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
0 o
Pinkdrum ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:26:50 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Princess Mononoke!
red-ditor ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:42:07 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Princess Mononoke!
Round2_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:14:23 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
That actually exactly what it looks like.
Taiyokun ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:32:36 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
In (America or some other place)? Damn...
Nikki908 ยท 2263 points ยท Posted at 14:45:46 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)*
Took me a second to find it. Here it is for anyone who'll have some trouble.
EDIT: http://i.imgur.com/btODsKj.png This is the body that I'm seeing that everyone's mentioning.
EDIT 2: Further incredibly professional analysis http://i.imgur.com/ggYz8S2.png I'm just screwing around at this point
Pieskin ยท 580 points ยท Posted at 14:56:26 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
The circle is right about the face, but its actually a whole body, it looks similar to when people paint themselves to look like the background of something.
[deleted] ยท 123 points ยท Posted at 17:56:17 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Damnit Gotye.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 23:37:46 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
You didn't have to cut him off!
fishpillow ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 20:06:37 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
shh..it's Peeta Mallark.
ManMadeHuman ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 19:29:48 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)*
It's very likely an accidental double exposure from a slightly malfunctioning camera. I had a camera that started doing this all the time and it turned out some very very creepy pictures. Upon further analysis we figured out that some of the "ghosts" were people we knew from pictures taken earlier on the film roll.
Randomacts ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:48:58 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
*roll
kholto ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 22:34:17 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
At first I saw the face and thought it was just unfortunate pixels (it really takes very little to make humans see faces) but then I saw the hand and the general outline. It could still be randomness but it is a lot more unlikely, it could also be photoshop but an error level analysis does not show anything tampered
gn0xious ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 15:06:13 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
There also what looks like a child's face near the hand/sleeve of the taller one...
Nikki908 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:04:55 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I see that now. Long arms though.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:28:22 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:32:50 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Happy cake day!
AaronWoodford ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:58:26 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Nobody else notices the girl's face turned around looking over what is the "body's" hand?
saggy_potato_sack ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:20:35 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Camo?
antivist ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:05:04 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
That stupid "O" face looks webbed and it doesn't match the body nor is it at the same angle as the body! Looks like a double exposure, 2 pictures in one.
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Shady8tkers ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 15:47:07 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Man, without you pointing this out, I would have spent an entire day looking for that damn thing...thank you for saving my Saturday. Turned out it was just the tree.
OnlyOneNut ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:03:03 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I love that you questioned all your labeling.
DrStephenFalken ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 08:30:31 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I thought we were talking about this face I thought it was a person squatted down pulling a branch down.
[deleted] ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 15:57:43 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
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EnderAlexander ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:03:38 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Agreed. The face looks like a child's drawing of something supposed to be spooky.
bin-fryin ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 17:43:20 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Anyone who thinks otherwise is also just a bunch of twigs...
SamTarlyLovesMilk ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 15:20:38 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)*
Don't miss out the body!
EDIT: Just missed your edits. The part you circled part on the left, I see has the other half of his shirt, with the buttons down the middle.
EDIT2: Ghost shirt in yellow.
Nikki908 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:27:25 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I'm seeing all of this new stuff, nice find.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:48:41 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
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PieFaceKai ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:00:27 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Enhance!
bobbyfle ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:00:17 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)*
Also, in the middle of the picture, just left of the two trees standing really close together, I see a girl hugging a boy.
Edit: http://i.imgur.com/a7WyFtA.png?1
Zyras_Bush ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:00:22 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I don't think that is it. I think its a face that is on the left side but below what you circled.
LostAtFrontOfLine ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:07:20 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
There's a body too.
ear10 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:08:51 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Can someone outline the body and extrapolate a body form or size compared to the ground??
JRoch ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:11:07 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Those are branches
fatalicus ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:36:58 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
i think its just one of these guys.
lookslikeyoureSOL ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:39:06 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
This is evidence of what, exactly?
nhlcyclesophist ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:07:29 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Pareidolia. Look it up.
Not_Stalin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:18:11 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I was hoping for a "head, shoulders, knees, and toes" sorta thing
harlan_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:28:20 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
enhance!
turnaboutisfairplay ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:29:18 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I also see a face on the "left sleeve"
MoarVespenegas ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:30:33 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Looks like a rare sighting of the mythical compression artifact monster partially hidden behind its poor resolution cloak.
wheatfields ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:45:22 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Its a woman in a ball gown, looks to be victorian era. (When dresses had supports under them to make them seem really big.) Think Gone With The Wind type dresses.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:45:27 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Huh, at first I though it was reffering to the Tonberry in the background:
http://i.imgur.com/Mobl9KH.png
superpencil121 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:47:09 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Woah...why are so many comments deleted.
mashandal ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:53:42 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
serious thread :)
lukin187250 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:56:44 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
enhance and zoom us around to the back on the other angle. Then clean that up, zoom in and enhance some more. Clear up the pixelation, now enhance some more.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:59:58 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Lol
aazav ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:09:04 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I like the hand looking structure that is easily visible.
Itroll4love ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:15:42 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
why would they take a picture of only half the person's face? the focus on the camera was obviously intended to for your eyes to catch on on that silhouette.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:19:20 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Actually, I kinda see a woman
darkened and in GIF form
Bucket_Of_Magic ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:19:31 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
http://i.imgur.com/ye7TcXM.png
I didn't see the dude on the left all I seen was the alien riding a horse.
duhellmang ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:24:41 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
slenderman
Patrik333 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:27:07 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
In the second image, it looks like the person's feet are sort of angled one pointing towards the camera (the one to the left) and one profiled by the camera - 90* apart
naturalwonders ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:33:00 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Sorry, that's as much a real person as this is http://i.imgur.com/pmMCnak.jpg (from front page). That's an example of us being wired to anthropomorphize by default. For obvious reasons we've evolved to do that.
LM_Designz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:35:31 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I see two faces. The one you've pointed out. If you look where the first "ghost" is standing, look right above his hand and I see another face.
Uncuepa ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:39:04 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
1337 upvotes, pretty leet
I didn't notice the hand at first, thanks!
TK-Chubs118 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:45:54 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Thanks Reddit detective, I here by present this honorary award
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:51:16 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
The hand could easily be tree stuff.
metllicamilitia ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:08:07 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Matrixing
willbo360 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:30:09 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Confirmed: It is a kodama http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_-GUzn8mEUYQ/TD38UStbJ6I/AAAAAAAAAI8/7YlVJuUlZVg/s200/Mononoke_Kodama.jpg
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:30:13 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Lmao, are you serious? There is no body, there's nothing paranormal about this, just and odd angel with the tree branches lining up, jesus christ
Cyborg771 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:32:35 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Pareidolia is a hell of a drug.
lexish ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:45:51 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Your further incredibly professional analysis made it way less scary, so thanks.
downtothegwound ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:35:00 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
YOu have won my laugh of the day, congrats and thank you :D
SUFFER_IN_TRUTH ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:43:33 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
wowzers! i didn't notice until you highlighted it for me. thats actually creepy!
v1kingfan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:53:00 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
It looks like it has a hat on too.
kabukistar ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:02:32 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I thought it was that WALL-E.T. thing just right from the center of the picture.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:05:58 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
The body, shoulders, hand, and head don't line up as one person would. It looks like a double exposure with two different imagines there.
The_Sasquatch_Man ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:06:52 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Is it just me, or is also wearing a hat?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:11:24 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Dem titties.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:24:13 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
You forgot to give it a dick and balls, man.
Nikki908 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:39:41 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Someone already did
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:47:35 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Christ, he's hung.
EverdeenFire ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:33:11 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Incredible professional analysis.
Enhance. Enhance. Enhance.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:03:20 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I still don't see I-MOTHERFUCKER.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:21:55 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I honestly couldn't find it until you pointed it out...and then my reaction was "oh you have to be kidding"
It does look creepy but it's nothing more than simulacrum. I bet if you had stood 1 foot to the left it would not be there.
DrDongStrong ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:23:51 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Oh i thought I saw a wolf creature
Sk8rGameFreak ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:59:00 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
It looks like a man in a suit of some sort.
ForteShadesOfJay ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:32:40 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I don't know if you see it but looks like a dude in camouflage with his arms crossed towards the middle of the picture. I thought that was the creepy part before you highlited it.
Loopy_Duck ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:04:55 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Oh shit, I just saw the head and thought it looked like a silly ghost, but then I saw the whole body and it looks REALLY SCARY now...
Monkeybarsixx ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:32:21 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Reminds me of Slenderman.
Veqq ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:25:57 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Thanks for that, I had to increase screen brightness from the minimum to the max to see it. :D
santacruzer7 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:07:03 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Over there... past them trees.. long tall Sally... she's so sweet ... she got everything.. that Uncle John needs.. I'm gon have me some fun.. I'm gon have me some fun...
Consonant ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:32:13 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Mac. SERGEANT!
santacruzer7 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:51:54 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
get to da choppaahhhh!
xb4r7x ยท 587 points ยท Posted at 15:10:31 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Looks like a double exposure.
bobbyfle ยท 424 points ยท Posted at 15:57:56 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)*
Yes, looks like it, because in the middle I see vague image of a girl hugging a boy, just left of the two trees.
Edit: http://i.imgur.com/a7WyFtA.png?1
SamWilber ยท 80 points ยท Posted at 18:59:30 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Or those are more ghosts
letsjustsee ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 20:50:18 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
This is the correct answer to the riddle.
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 20:37:31 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Damn, this guy solved it.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 19:34:01 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
THAT'S MORE GHOSTS!
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:30:50 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Yo, why is the original "ghost" gone in your image?
Edit: Oh, it's because I'm an idiot.
scissorrunner ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 16:09:14 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
where?
bobbyfle ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 16:14:43 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Here: http://i.imgur.com/a7WyFtA.png?1
scissorrunner ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 16:43:20 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Oh! Thank you!
Sugir ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:42:00 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Great job, thanks for putting in the effort to show us!
KaptainMitch ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 16:13:16 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
....Just left of the two trees...?
McWonderful ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:06:02 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Looks like a dinosaur head to me.
foxinthebushes ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 19:36:40 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Glad I wasn't the only one. I guess it would make sense that there should be MORE dinosaur ghosts than human ghosts. Glad one finally made an appearance.
ocotillo99 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:36:38 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
What the fuck is everyone seeing? I've been staring at this damn image for ten minutes and I can't see anything unusual in the red circle.
j7bach ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:41:32 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Waddafuck
damendred ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:25:46 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I'm really glad I'm not the only one, who's terrible at drawing red arrows in paint.
Ayeleex ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:40:38 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Nah, just more ghosts
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:10:20 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
If you notice throughout the image, you can see weird red coloring that doesn't match the white balance of the main photograph in the shadows which match the colors of the vague images. I'd say that pretty much confirms the double exposure.
Anthro88 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 03:59:04 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
There are some very spooky red lines, too.
mastermike14 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:48:37 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
theres weird artifacts all over that picture. Going left to right from the guy straight across are weird artifacts most likely caused by double exposure
Majestic_Narwhale ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:14:35 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Firstly: it is impressive as hell that you saw that, you have a very keen eye
Secondly: thank you, I can now sleep tonight
Waz433268 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:29:23 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
There's also two face blurs to the right of your out line.
Noncomment ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:13:50 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I don't see it.
UmamiSalami ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:40:33 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I think so too. The blurriness next to the pink-sweater-person's head seems to point to this.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:10:12 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Hardly anyone uses film cameras anymore. Double exposure is getting to be more of a far reach than ghosts these days.
Fealiks ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:57:40 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I don't think it is, I think it's just pareidolia. It's just branches and shit.
GoodAndBluts ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:11:48 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Another thing which seems weird is that the body in the background is better focused than the (blanked out) person in the foreground.
Obviously this means it would have to be a film photo not a digital photo
_NetWorK_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:26:03 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
This is what I was thinking.
gcso ยท 221 points ยท Posted at 15:11:28 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
http://i.imgur.com/iFSbSwi.jpg
I outlined the whole body. The arrow is pointing to a hand and next to the hand you can see the bottom of a shirt.
lordgoblin ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:58:17 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
dude, has no one else noticed gollum on the right?
arnoldlol ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:17:52 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
It slightly resembles a uniformed Union soldier from the Civil War. I wonder where this photo was taken?
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samirelanduk ยท 1088 points ยท Posted at 15:02:19 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Creepy, but it's pareidolia.
mejogid ยท 90 points ยท Posted at 15:35:19 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
It's hard to tell because it's been compressed to all hell, but it looks like there could be a scarecrow or something that's been thrown in there. Here it is brightened up - it does look like an upper body at least, but the image posted is so compressed that it's impossible to say for sure.
antioxide ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 17:04:07 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Double exposure.
SweetNeo85 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 18:05:24 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
No, it's just a random pattern that appeared in the leaves. It only sort of looks like a face, and that is %100 pure coincidence.
anon_eh_moose ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:43:44 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
No, I know what actually happened here.
mejogid ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:25:35 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)*
Why double expose when it would be significantly simply to put one in the background/there to be one there?
antioxide ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 17:27:38 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
There's other artifacts in the image, e.g. http://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/1sv39b/serious_what_in_your_opinion_is_the_most/ce1l487
mejogid ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:45:08 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Nice catch - although that one's even harder to make out through the compression.
thathipstergamer ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:08:00 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
ENHANCE!
lacienega ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:48:34 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Geeze, that face is creepy as fuck.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:47:45 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
That's JFK.
[deleted] ยท 179 points ยท Posted at 15:22:26 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Or it's the camera
Grimm808 ยท 25 points ยท Posted at 16:21:49 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Which still technically makes it a pareidolia.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:59:34 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Well I for one can't believe it's not butter.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:50:19 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Let's drop the fancy-schmancy chemistry technicalities; it's essentially still just butter.
_TheCaptain_ ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:39:39 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
A haunted camera
fauxromanou ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:08:46 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Camera obscura.
bewtain ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:47:29 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
There is a straight line not consistent with the image right where the head stops at the top. Easy to see in the reply comment.
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Pignore ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:16:43 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I reported you
samirelanduk ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:10:03 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
What did he say?
holgenberg ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:56:41 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
The camera doesn't want to recognise it as a face and body.
It's human nature to notice patterns resembling something that isn't actually there.
Rappaccini ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:56:26 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Well some cameras come with facial recognition and settings to remove noise from faces (like red eye reduction), so a camera could indeed "want" to recognize a face.
PENGAmurungu ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:03:03 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
No, the camera is behind the photo.
squeakyguy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:09:02 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Or a ghost.
68024 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:02:58 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Or it's photoshop
Thor_Odin_Son ยท 33 points ยท Posted at 15:40:39 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Did you not see the hand? It's not just a disembodied face there.
[deleted] ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 16:15:51 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Or, you know, the hand could also be pareidolia. It looks nothing like a hand to me, it's blurry as hell, it's disproportional and at best it looks like a hand out of a childish drawing.
Sloppy1sts ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 17:25:51 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
What? It's blurry as shit, but it looks like a real fucking hand to me.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:14:37 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Such a useful word - thanks!
samirelanduk ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:12:00 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
It's such a cool thing, but oddly awkward to pronounce.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:32:08 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Pear-ih-doe-lia.
Did I get it right?
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:57:12 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I disagree, there are hues of blue in there which don't appear anywhere else in the trees.
SlightlyAmbiguous ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 15:28:30 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I mean can't that be said for pretty much every other picture in this thread? Of course that's the most realistic answer and I'm pretty sure everyone here in this thread knows that. That doesn't take away from the fact that it's super creepy and you never really know.
keiyakins ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 15:53:23 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
The thread is tagged [Serious] though, paredolia creepyness isn't serious evidence of things happening in our universe outside the laws of our universe (which is an oxymoron anyway)
SlightlyAmbiguous ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 15:57:45 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
It means serious answers, that doesn't mean every picture has to be 100% evidence of supernatural activity. If a picture depicts a ghost-like figure in the background then how is that not serious for supernatural activity?
What else do you want, a picture of a ghost holding up "Ghost here! /r/askreddit 12/14/13" sign?
cdskip ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:17:04 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Since you ask, that would be pretty great, yes.
keiyakins ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 16:03:28 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
What I want is nothing, because nothing can happen that is supernatural. It could be outside our current understanding of the rules of the universe, but not actually outside those rules.
cbolt73 ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 16:10:39 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Tips fedora.
Ok folks, we're done here. Keiyakins says that there is nothing supernatural, and since he is the supreme authority on everything, we have to listen to him. From now on, only pictures that look like this are acceptable, since this guy wants "nothing."
Dude, settle the fuck down. The thread is tagged as serious, and this picture was a serious response. The OP specifically asked for the "most convincing photo of something supernatural." For a lot of people, that photo is convincing. Does that mean it is real? Absolutely not, but who the fuck are you to tell us whether or not the supernatural world exists, and whether or not we can posts pictures of possible supernatural existence in a FUCKING THREAD ABOUT PICTURES OF POSSIBLE SUPERNATURAL EXISTENCE.
Get off your high horse!!!!!!!!!!!!!
keiyakins ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 16:15:33 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
You misunderstand. I'm not saying that the photo can't be real, but that if the occurrence in it is real, then it is part of our world, part of nature, and thus not supernatural. "Real supernatural occurrence" is nonsense, because if something happens, it's not supernatural.
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keiyakins ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:16:02 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
An event beyond the laws of nature. So either it's fake, or it's not supernatural. If it occurs, it's obviously NOT beyond the laws of nature.
cbolt73 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:24:54 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I don't think you know what supernatural means.
The existence of a ghost, monster, or some other creature in a photograph is absolutely supernatural. That does not mean that it cannot be real. Tips fedora
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:46:56 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
You can keep tipping your fedora at him but you are still misunderstanding. If it is real, it is not supernatural. If it is real, it is apart of nature.
jessew666 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:37:03 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
all this guy does is troll people by trying to make them think less of themselves by tipping his fedora at them. That's his schtick.
cbolt73 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 14:02:28 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
That's not true. According to the definition you are wrong and I am wright.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:55:52 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
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cbolt73 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 14:02:19 on December 16, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
i dont git it
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 16:00:51 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, you can really know. The other option being that its a real ghost coming to say hello?
Sephalia ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 16:22:39 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
As far as I'm aware, there hasn't been any absolute proof that ghosts don't exist. You can be pretty sure about it, but ultimately you're basing that on your beliefs and what you think is most likely. We really don't KNOW anything about it.
aznrunnerman ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:39:24 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
No, there doesn't need to be any proof that ghosts don't* exist, only proof that they do*, and there isn't any so far, so ghosts as far as we know don't exist definitively. You can't actually prove something doesn't exist, that makes no sense. Now that isn't to say that we can't still speculate and that evidence for existence can't be found in the future.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:30:47 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I haven't seen any absolute proof flying t-Rex's don't exist above NYC. I also haven't seen absolute proof that the mothman, vampires, bigfoot, nessie, or molemen don't exist. Come to think of it, I also haven't seen any absolute proof that shape shifting aliens that form into world leaders don't exist.
See how that works?
tambrico ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 16:24:23 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
no it's not. you can not only see a face, but hands. pants, and a jacket complete with lapels and sleeves. you can very clearly distinguish the border between the pants and the jacket. there is very clearly a person there. not just a face or a vague outline of a person, but a person who is also clearly wearing clothes. this is not pareidolia. this is a double exposure.
_Doh_ ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:21:39 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
If you look closely at his legs you will see that, in fact, they are trees.
icanseestars ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:33:03 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Kind of like this trending thread.
I clearly see a giant man!
[deleted] ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 15:37:30 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
its too well proportioned to be pareidolia, and it looks far too human like
liebkartoffel ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:01:35 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
It can't possibly be pareidolia, it looks too much like the thing I think it is!
finite_turtles ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:39:34 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
imgur isn't working for me but I superimposed an actual human picture (from a biology textbook) onto the ghostly figure in the photo. It's head is almost twice as wide as it should be, the shoulders are huge and slopping, the arms are too long to be properly human shaped...
It certainly looks human, but as said earlier we are hard wired into seing human shapes everywhere.
well_hello_there ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:33:36 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
:)
razdrazchelloveck ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:48:59 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
No, no it's not. Most likely an exposure problem with the camera film.
zombiewafflezz ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:32:27 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
But it's a whole body
rcavin1118 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:32:12 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
You can see the rest of he body as well though, not just the face.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:04:57 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
What? Are you sure it's not an actual person's face? HOW CAN YOU BE SO SURE
rjoseba ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:04:42 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Just my first thought!!
GetOutOfTheHouseNOW ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:11:20 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Enhance.
LanikM ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:30:38 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
But it's so perfect.
jocloud31 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:23:52 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
My first thought as well, but it's incredibly well defined for it not to be something real. Several people have mentioned double exposure, but I'm assuming this is a digital photo.
bearrwitness ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:47:03 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Nope.
Fealiks ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:58:02 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Shit, I thought I was original by just saying that same thing and your comment is right below me.
EverdeenFire ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:34:05 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I've been looking for that word for months.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:11:50 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
It's a whole body
TheMadmanAndre ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:27:05 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Or more likely the developer did a crappy job cleaning the developing plates and the previously developed photograph was dubbed onto that one.
jaredcheeda ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:35:40 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
and it's all just from shitty jpg artifacts. It's funny how as the quality of our recording equipment gets better all the evidence we have of the supernatural still seems to come from low quality compressed images or film cameras with poor low-light ability.
I feel like in 15-30 years everyone will look back at this stuff and laugh at how stupid people were for falling for it the same way we look back at people believing cardboard cutouts were real fairies.
WhiteBarbarian ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:09:33 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
What does your arrogance say about the body and hand
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:32:55 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Yup.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:28:28 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
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FuckYeahFluttershy ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:41:51 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
No, /r/Pareidolia is pareidolia.
adzm ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 15:43:44 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
/r/pareidolia
BigUptokes ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:04:57 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
More like /r/pareidoliaparanoia.
uhm_nope ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 23:49:02 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
TIL pareidolia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pareidolia
Amerikkalainen ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 15:02:44 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I would assume something happened in the developing process or something was wrong with the film and part of another picture basically got superimposed onto that one.
epicmegawin ยท 170 points ยท Posted at 14:50:50 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
That's pretty creepy but looks edited as shit
DrGhostly ยท 37 points ยท Posted at 15:14:57 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Might not be edited, but it could be a double-exposure.
lukumi ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:58:03 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
it's digital so probably not. just a weird coincidence in the artifacting
DryadCub ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 17:19:23 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I know! All those red circles look so fake.
winitforsparta ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 16:25:36 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Seriously. I've never seen a girl with absolutely no face.
stardonis ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:14:03 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Oh, here.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 15:09:39 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Wow, that's fucking great. Full body figure aswell. Love it.
butterjoy92 ยท 84 points ยท Posted at 14:52:27 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
First picture in this thread to give me full-body goosebumps and creep me the fuck out. I won't be sleeping now.
Gengar0 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 15:10:03 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Tomorrow morning: /u/butterjoy92 hears his tin roof crack after being exposed to the sun and maintains his position in Fort I-don't-usually-get-scared-easy.
rebelcanuck ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:03:43 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Seriously?
maflickner ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:18:52 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
It's a double exposure.
Ryan5493 ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 14:55:59 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
What am I looking at here?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:03:50 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
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TryingToHaveGoodMood ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:11:05 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Branches.
stevyjohny ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:08:14 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
that was seriously creepy, finally reddit has delivered. I clicked on a link that was not a joke or some goofy gif
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:08:56 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
If this is legitimately a ghost, its kind of depressing. You have a post-life existence and your only capability is to sometimes appear almost humanoid in the shadows of pictures.
TehRawrz ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:17:33 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Now, THAT is some scary fucking shit. Oh my gosh I have goose bumps.
fox9iner ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 22:56:56 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
hmmmm.... I don't see anything... oh FFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCK
LilithImmaculate ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:03:27 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I looked to the far left of the picture and now I see my computer desk. Did I do it wrong?
s_hampel ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:19:31 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Fuck that. I'm on mobile, double tapped to zoom in and it zoomed in on the bottom left corner so I swiped to see farther up the picture. That face looks like a burlap sack with holes in it. NOPE
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Ayotte ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:48:07 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
On the left edge
concrete_puppet ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:49:22 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
far left - looks a bit like a person
Gruntypig ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:47:13 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
left
Robinskie ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:50:53 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
There is a man standing behind the treebranches on the far left
Vancha ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:51:58 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Human-shaped ghost on the far-left of the photo, just above half-way up.
Tribar ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:52:17 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Far left there's a figure standing there.
AnonymousAffection ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:53:28 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
left side... yikes
DAE_REDDITxD ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:54:12 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
At the very left you can see a figure
poindexter5221 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:01:16 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Extreme left of the photo. It looks like some guy with no eyes standing there.
I_suck_at_mostthings ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:08:07 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Do you have the original?
chintler ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 14:52:27 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
IMO the figure looks like it doesnt want to be photographed. Definitely creepy.
Cenobia ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:24:53 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I imagine him saying "oops" while doing the 'guy interrupting the proposal photo' shuffle.
MrSlyMe ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 14:57:06 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)*
That's not even creepy, it's the vaguest silhouette I've ever seen. Humans see faces in things that don't have faces. Doesn't mean something is actually there.
EDIT: If there wasn't a "face", you wouldn't have noticed a suit or a hand. Those things are filled in for you by your brain.
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WeWillRiseAgainst ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:11:31 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
No one claimed there was, it just looks like there is. I thought this picture was super creepy. You can see a face, his hand and legs. Cool photo.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:26:46 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
There's a full body...
tambrico ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:22:10 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
not to mention he's clearly wearing a coat that has distinguishable features of a coat. it's not a case of that. there is CLEARLY a person there. and this photo is CLEARLY a double exposure image.
dafragsta ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:35:14 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
and that's what gave me the jibblies.
rawbamatic ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:06:22 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
The only thing that has this stand out from most is that you can make out clothing and a hand. Usually it's just an outline.
I still chalk these up to double exposures though. Perhaps even pareidolia.
Abzug ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:28:55 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
We should find out if it was a digital picture or film. There cannot be a digital double exposure.
VaginasVomitBabies ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:08:10 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
But but there's a suit and a hand too! It looks Cool!
atomsej ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:10:27 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Hey man you shh
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:12:36 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe you didn't notice the body underneath the face?
JamesTheJerk ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:14:01 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
'Cept a face
drahcir2k2 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:17:57 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I think the hand make it look at least a little compelling
spdrstar ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:10:45 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Dude I can see the hand, shoulders and legs as well.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:12:53 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
/r/Pareidolia
Rampachs ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:02:04 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
This one is really good. Can see the clothes/ hands and everything the :o face is a nice twist too.
scharmi2012 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:05:44 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Kinda looks like pedo bear
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:06:31 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
it is also a clear and sharp picture.
Eagl3ye91 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:12:13 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
That looks like a surprised, happy ghost
SamTarlyLovesMilk ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:13:27 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I bring you looove.
DownvoteAttractor_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:13:36 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
looks like casper
Jeremiah_Guy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:14:43 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
There's also something in the woods on the right hand side of he photo. It looks like an old king with a big beard.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:15:08 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Fuck that's creepy
Anzai ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:17:04 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Pareidolia. I believe you that nobody has messed with it (although I'm guessing foreground human does have a face and not just a black void on the front of their head) because honestly that is really pushing it. It's three black dots in a vague triangle shape. It's barely a face at all. The body is actually just trees, as you can see if you block the face out and destroy the illusion. There is nothing here at all.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:18:50 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Holy shit! Her face just disappeared from the picture!?
renamdu ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:19:06 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
It's an observer!! They're reallll!
typodaemon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:19:41 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Looks like bad jpeg compression. I actually saw a mostly transparent gorilla on the left side of the frame before I saw the green face.
malachre ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:20:27 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
lol I looked around and then immediately opened facebook in another tab so I could pretend I was wetting myself.
Shadax ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:23:14 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Creepy, yes. Convincingly supernatural, no. Just another stuff-looks-like-a-person photo.
ObligatoryResponse ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:23:48 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
That's lichen growing in the tree branches. He just got lucky to see a face from the angle he was standing.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:25:21 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I believe that ghost suffers from weird face syndrome.....it's an epidemic in the ghost community.
Armpit_Cannons ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:25:45 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
It literally just looks like a couple of branches outlined a face, you're noticing images when they aren't really there.
ShaneRunninShirtless ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:26:49 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Anyone else see Michael Myers?
T_Jefferson ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:29:34 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)*
Looks like an accidental double exposure. Sometimes film in a camera doesn't advance properly, and some fraction of the shot (like the portion with the ghost-looking dude on the left) will be exposed through the lens twice, creating a double-layered photograph.
Abzug ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:29:35 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
OP, was this a digital picture or film picture?
THE_sheps ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:30:24 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Is it just me, or is the mystery person wearing a fedora?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:33:01 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Really?
rhineauto ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:33:03 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
There's also a warped Viking face on the right side of the photo
ZmfT55 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:34:22 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
annnnd I'm done here
sailorb ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:34:23 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Yea I see all kinds of Stuff Imgur
Dcanseco ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:38:41 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Is it me or does the image look like Chuck Testa?
UncleSassy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:39:10 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
http://imgur.com/MgPk7gP
I thought you were talking about this, I think it looks like a little person in a coat with a Dutch boy haircut
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:43:35 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Am I the only one who didn't see the body at first and saw the wolf/dog shadow behind it? I thought that's what you were talking about.
lizzy223 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:43:53 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
nope
InsertStickIntoAnus ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:44:29 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pareidolia
OnespeedOnegear ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:45:47 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Totally looks like a double exposure to me
SMWS ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:46:14 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Am I the only one who sees Yoda in the background (far right)?
keiyakins ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:52:33 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
/r/Pareidolia They asked for supernatural, not weird phenomina that happen in our universe.
proweruser ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:53:01 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
So was this taken on film or on a digital cam? Because that looks very much like double exposure.
HonorConnor ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:57:02 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
"Creepy"
Code_NY ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:57:52 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I couldn't find it for ages then when I did I immediately had to look away. All the creepy.
whalepower ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:01:42 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
reminds me of the tree spirits from Princess Mononoke
aveman101 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:07:31 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Our brains are wired to recognize faces. Take enough pictures in the right setting, and you're bound to see a couple creepy faces (or in this case, a whole body).
This is just like when people claimed to have photographs of the devil's face billowing up in the smokey aftermath of 9/11.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:15:17 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
It appears to be a double exposure. If you look in the middle you can see a Gray shadow of what appears to be a kid riding a bike. It's 100% silhouette.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:15:35 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Looks like a South Park character.
DaymanMaster0fKarate ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:19:19 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
man, some jpeg compression is reddit's most convincing photo?
ViolatingUncle ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:21:01 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah that looks extremely edited.
myparentsbasemnt ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:22:43 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Enhance...
Andrewhall1994 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:23:29 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I see another face in betwee the two trees in the center of the picture. That is the one I saw first
Moj88 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:28:20 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Omg it's meg
WheresMyDinner ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:28:58 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Heisenberg
pepe_le_shoe ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:35:57 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
The photo is such low res/detail. All those features just look like jpeg compression artifacts to me.
unstabletable ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:39:02 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
As someone who is very critical of these photos, there's something that strikes me as very interesting.
There was a thread a few days ago where someone took a photo of their grandma's house. In the second story window you could see what looked like a girl. But the "face" in that photo was pretty much the exact same; 2 black circles for eyes and one for a mouth.
Mugros ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:39:09 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Branches, lots of JPEG artifacts...
DipDoodle ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:50:57 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Looks kinda like Hank Hill
masterbard1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:52:27 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I heard from a photographer friend that this sometimes happened with older films being over exposed while taking the picture the camera could have had a problem while moving the film or when developing the film, the machine overlapped another picture creating this semi ghost thing.
TRC042 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:01:49 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Looks like holes in the trunk of the tree, and branches.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:02:07 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
What kind of camera was he using?
Q73 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:15:30 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Dem Photoshop skills.
ironblood666 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:18:02 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Reminds me of either the Grey man aliens or slender man.
bitcheslovedroids ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:19:03 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Looks like a civil war era soldier
[deleted] ยท 53 points ยท Posted at 19:20:15 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
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Ilykk14 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:51:35 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
These types of threads are always tonnes of fun!
[deleted] ยท 1036 points ยท Posted at 13:44:12 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)*
This picture of a skunk ape. Not really supernatural but they are a myth.
edit: Don't worry skunk apes are actually supposed to be pretty nice animals.
5741354110059687423 ยท 237 points ยท Posted at 14:31:14 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
What's a skunk ape?
speech-geek ยท 456 points ยท Posted at 14:38:36 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Sightings of animals who are Bigfoot-like occur across the United States every year. The Skunk Ape is what the natives of the Florida Everglades and surrounding areas call their creature.
LazerSturgeon ยท 207 points ยท Posted at 14:41:45 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Also given the skunk title because they are reported to give off a powerful odour.
Pwimble ยท 293 points ยท Posted at 15:03:55 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Did a research paper on Bigfoot years ago, and a Bigfoot โwitnessโ said that it gave off a strong smegma smell... That was the day I learned what smegma was.
[deleted] ยท 237 points ยท Posted at 16:01:59 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
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sasquachs_balls ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 18:21:27 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Dude you don't have to remind me. It's constantly next to me and smells like death.
jackruby83 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:09:38 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I learned what it was when I looked up smeg-head, a la Red Dwarf http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RXKlC8ph7mM
nightcrawler616 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 17:01:42 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Now I know what the scary part is. Because god damn that's disgusting.
depricatedzero ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 20:15:50 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I'd be concerned as to why the witness was so familiar with the smell of smegma that he was able to say "oh that's a smegma smell" and not just "blargh it fucking reeks"
Pwimble ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:10:39 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
My first thought as well.
Gugulio ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 22:47:30 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I like how the first smell comparison the "witness" could come up with was smegma.
Sphigmomanometer ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:09:39 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I <3 Smegma
KloverCain ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:51:35 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Better than the way I learned from someone who compared it to my ranch dressing in a restaurant. Fuck that dude.
PaintsWithSmegma ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:07:03 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Hi!
moonwalkindinos ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:02:52 on December 22, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I figured Bigfoots smelled but never in my craziest dreams did I imagine them smelling like a dirty sexual organ.
The_Relyk ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:27:49 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
googles
oh...
Steeleclem ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:55:22 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I don't know what smegma is, and I'm scared it find out
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:20:37 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
AKA dick cheese.
speech-geek ยท 31 points ยท Posted at 14:49:03 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
If interested, there is a good segment on an old episode of Unsolved Mysteries that deals with the Skunk Ape.
leeshapwnz ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:00:48 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
When I was little, my mom and I would stay up late on weekends and watch reruns of Unsolved Mysteries. Thanks for bringing back an awesome memory!
speech-geek ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:26:11 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Watching some Unsolved Mysteries with Robert Stack reruns on Lifetime was the sole reason I wanted to stay home from school some days.
moonwalkindinos ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:06:41 on December 22, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
That music always scared the stuffing out of me.
IanSMacKenzie ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:58:50 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Smegment
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:14:02 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Link?
[deleted] ยท 42 points ยท Posted at 15:01:28 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 15:12:41 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
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Mendozozoza ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:02:11 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Shit! My grandpa was a skunk ape!
macblastoff ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:44:06 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Apparently not many people in Florida have spent any time in proximity to any other apes.
slydunan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:54:15 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
So it's actually just a dirty old homeless geezer.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:12:05 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
musk is common to many animals, not just skunks, although a skunks musk has been adapted to be especially foul
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:41:06 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I use deodorant! And I will go to the hair stylist next week!
TheJunkyard ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 14:54:19 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
And there was me thinking it was because only people smoking some serious shit ever see them.
zirnez ยท 85 points ยท Posted at 14:48:37 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
As a Floridian who has never heard of this until now, what.the.fuck.
[deleted] ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 14:54:24 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Skunk ape sightings were big in south Florida during the 70's so it's not that uncommon for northern Floridians or younger people not to know what a skunk ape is.
RCDrift ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:23:11 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
When I was in High school in the mid-late 90's there were sightings at the Lee/Dade county line.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:37:15 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Sighting definitely have not stopped but they were significantly more popular back in the 70's.
MadAtHubby ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:59:50 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
They've been reported as far west as the Louisiana bayous. Fact Or Faked: the Paranormal Files did an episode on it a year or so ago.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:47:06 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Skunk ape sightings are fairly common in NW Florida as well.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 15:22:18 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)*
Ex-Floridian here and I had an encounter.
EDIT: I was just about to head out the door when I posted this so I couldn't elaborate. So here goes:
I used to live in Florida (now Louisiana) and I lived in a rural area, had 70 acres of twenty of which were planted pine, the rest pasture. The area was surrounded by similar property.
I was in the shop which was previously an airplane hangar (old owners had a plane. We used it as storage for things that didn't fly). It was nestled into the woods with the front entrance exposed. I was by myself, turned off my truck but left the lights on because I didn't plan on being very long and didn't want to go all the way to the back to turn on the lights.
Like I said it was a big airplane hangar, and had those big roll-up doors. The back was open. I smelled skunk, really bad, figured a skunk had been around or something. I was looking for whatever it was I was there for, can't remember at this point.
I was kind of jittery because I was by myself and it was dark, about 9pm. And there's no way to write this without sounding like I made it up or that I'm an idiot but I heard crunching on the other side of the wall. I froze and listened and it was steady, bipedal footsteps. It was heavy, but it was too steady and bipedal sounding to be a hog or anything like that, definitely not a deer. It continued and I couldn't tell which way it was going so I left whatever I was looking for and ran like hell to my truck.
So the only explanations I could come up with were either I encountered a skunk ape or someone was trespassing on our property and was thieving and there happened to be a skunk around, though we lived way in the middle of nowhere with no neighbors and we never found anything missing. I really wish I would've been able to see it but I was so scared, all I could think about was getting the hell away.
ryan10000max ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:08:35 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Please share
BMikasa ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 18:06:41 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Why post this without elaborating? You're like that guy who laughs out loud hoping someone will ask what's so funny.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:52:57 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Because I was doing a quick reddit check before I left the house this morning, home now so I'll elaborate.
goforce5 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:53:51 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Same here. Looks like it may be a samsquamptch.
burentu ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:26:32 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
as a European who frequently hears freaky stories here on reddit I have to ask: What is up with your state??
wasabi_sama ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:53:19 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Ditto.
oh_no_a_hobo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:04:32 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Sweet dreams.
Super_Link ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:15:36 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Right there with you man
CoZmiC_RevamP ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:58:14 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
You would have to live directly next to the Everglades to hear the legends.
ThrowAwaysForAll1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:29:35 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I think I'll just get moving now.. Other Floridians come if you wish to avoid the skunk ape bigfoot thing..
GrizzlyAdams90 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:18:37 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Do you live kind of close to the Everglades? Cause that's the only place you will really hear of it. There is a statue of one somewhere as a tourist attraction in the glades.
GreenGlassDrgn ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 09:27:35 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I live in Europe and visited the Skunk Ape Research Headquarters in the Everglades last year. The skunk ape has been in books and tv shows on the paranormal and unusual since the 70s, at least. Its not that rare or unheard of.
GrizzlyAdams90 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 10:53:04 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Wow, I am actually kind of surprised by this. It seems like not a whole lot of people down here know of it.
GreenGlassDrgn ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 11:03:35 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I guess its like how a lot of people who live their entire lives in a neighborhood in New York don't know much about/aren't that interested in sightseeing and tourist activities.
GrizzlyAdams90 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 11:09:06 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
That actually makes total sense. I didn't find out about the skunk ape myth till late high school, and when I told friends they all called bullshit. Had to show em shit online about it.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:37:25 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Me dad used to tell me stories about skunk apes to scare the shit out of me.
TheLagDemon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:31:18 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
It's just due to all the chimpanzees you have living in the wild there now.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:34:24 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Isn't.it.crazy.?.
GreenGlassDrgn ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:25:23 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
If you are bored and in the mood for a road trip some day, stop by this place and expand your horizons, or at least have an interesting conversation! http://www.skunkape.info/
burentu ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:26:32 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
as a European who frequently hears freaky stories here on reddit I have to ask: What is up with your state??
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:58:56 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Think of florida as America's little Australia.
spastacus ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:25:24 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Y'all can catch sighta one ifn ya leave some lima beans sprinkled around. I woun't reccomend leaving them lima beans round yer own house since that big stinky fucker'll keep on comin round like a fuckin tweaker all lookin in yer windows and such but if you got a space out a ways from yer house like a park or some such you can bait em pretty easy. One other thing; don't be usin no frozen lima beans you gotta use real fresh lima beans. Oh and last thing, do not. I repeat do not try to catch one. Fuckers got them some retard strength and will tear your arm off just as soon look atcha if'n you try to capture em.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 14:57:42 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not that familiar with bigfoot or yeti lore but skunk apes are supposed to be a whole species rather than just a single animal.
TheSandyRavage ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:12:18 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
So are the bigfoot and the yeti. They're all supposed to pertain to the bigfoot family, just different regions. simila to how rabbits turn white during the winter. Bigfoot turns white in the snow, hence the yeti.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:34:34 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
That's what I thought but I wasn't quite sure. Thanks.
speech-geek ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:05:00 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Essentially. Of course there is a lot of debate that if a whole group exists, why hasn't a body been found, etc.
oh_no_a_hobo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:07:29 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not suggesting any of these creatures are real, but If they a are they would all need a substantial population to reproduce.
phantomganonftw ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:55:32 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Moved to Florida a couple of years ago. Now I'm terrified that something resembling this might exist anywhere near me.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:59:41 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
This was in Myakka near Sarasota, so if you aren't near there, I wouldn't worry.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:38:10 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
As long as you don't live in southern Florida you should be fine.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:55:23 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
no there have been sightings all throughout the south. The most sightings come from south florida dade county, and up in the thick backwoods of the florida panhandle. People have reported creatures resembling the skunk ape as far north as the Carolinas and as far west as Arkansas
Makaveli777 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:37:05 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
GONE SQUACHIN'
1337_Degrees_Kelvin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:16:20 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Up here in Ohio we have the Grass Man. Same kind of thing.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:09:45 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Not just the Florida Everglades. It has been seen quite a bit by residents of south florida's dade county, but there have also been numerous sightings in the thick forests of Florida's panhandle. Bay County, Walton, Calhoun... ect. When I was growing up the news in my area (Panama City) even did a report with a group of about 7 or 8 witnesses that were on a company camping retreat, noticed a foul odor, and saw a bigfoot like creature come out of the woods. I can't find the report though, but it was pretty funny because a reporter decided she was going to camp out there all night in the marshlands to try and see if she could find it. Didn't find shit, and she fell in the mud doing her report. God I wish I could find that video. I remember it so clearly from the early 2000s or late 1990s
Anyways, the Skunk Ape has been reported as far north as North Carolina and as far west as Arkansas.
Basically, the Skunk Ape is just bigfoot if he was in the hot, sweaty, humid, swampy backwoods of the south rather than the colder backwoods of the pacific northwest.
I'm not saying if I believe it or not, but I do know some people who claim to have seen it while out hunting, and they swear up and down it is real. Those people could be mistaken though. It could've been a bear, a normal ape escaped from a zoo, a buffalo, a panther, or a gator when it jumps up. They are all the right size for the skunk ape when risen up off the ground.
HairlessSasquatch ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:30:01 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
His name is Burt and honestly, we don't invite him to a lot of family gatherings anymore...
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Knolligge ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:56:30 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
And apparently, it smells worse than rotting shit.
Ryan5493 ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 14:45:35 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Equivalent to Big Foot for Floridians. He supposedly lives in the swamp. People who've seen him say that he reaks of a terrible smell, similar to that of a skunk.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:58:28 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Misread that as " Equivalent to Big Foot or Floridians"
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 14:57:41 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Dude you just saw one.
TribalLore ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 14:34:18 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
A myth.
echo_xtra ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:14:31 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Skunk apes, contrary to what you're going to hear elsewhere, are not bigfeets. Most notably, they leave three-toed tracks, like rheas or ostriches. They are remarkable for smelling bad, and I always had an abiding suspicion they were a very rare North American rhea.
HaveaManhattan ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:32:53 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
They get lumped in with Bigfoot but they are not. In all likelihood they are the descendants of, no joke, pet chimps and orangutangs abandoned in the 70s in Florida.
zuesk134 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:43:11 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
what the hell is wrong with people in florida just releasing their wild/exotic pets?
HaveaManhattan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:28:39 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Just end that question at 'florida' and you'll get closer to an answer.
ihateslowdrivers ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:41:26 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Half man, half skunk, half ape.
wonderwheels ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:51:17 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Do you copy and paste your user name everytime you log in Reddit?
broke_ass_brock ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:35:12 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
It's when Paul Giamatti dresses up in his Planet of the Apes costume and freaks the shit out of kids.
Pope_Eric_Mar ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:26:14 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
That should be a new Crayola color.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:48:42 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
In different regions, Sasquatch have different names. IE: They white Yeti of the Himalayas, or the skunk ape of the south east.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:54:56 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
In this case it's an orangutan that got loose in Florida.
Scrambo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:15:10 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
a funky monkey
capnwinky ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:48:04 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
You've never seen Harry and the Hendersons?
dangerbird2 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:13:29 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
A population of homo sapiens spapiens native to the American South known for wearing fur garbs also known as "gorilla suits" for the purpose of creating urban legends on the internet.
TicTokCroc ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:00:33 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
A Planet of the Apes mask with a giant wig draped over it.
dingobiscuits ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:44:14 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Nothing. What's a skunk-ape with you?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:32:28 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
American Drop Bear.
GreenGlassDrgn ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:24:05 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
http://www.skunkape.info/
If you ever pass through the Everglades, stop by the Skunk Ape Research Headquarters. The dude and his brother who own it were behind a lot of the pictures you see as Skunk Ape evidence on tv. The guys are really nice and make for some interesting conversation!
DrEnter ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:55:40 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Well, when a skunk and an ape love each other very much...
ParatwaLifeCoach ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:16:55 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
A drunk Southern redneck covered in swampy mud from falling over himself repeatedly.
Roert42 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:22:43 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
scary as fuck?
ReichsFuhrer1 ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 17:27:22 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
It's actually Obama, prior to him wiping his filthy ass with the United States Constitution.
/the more you know!
stinsicles ยท 309 points ยท Posted at 14:29:24 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)*
Someone proved this to be just an ape. I can't find the link but I remember reading up on this.
Here's the link http://www.lorencoleman.com/myakka.html
I do realize it may not hold much water, but this is the link
aoife_reilly ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 15:40:04 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
But isn't that what bigfoot is supposed to be? An ape?
stinsicles ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:47:56 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah sort of like an ape human it's wierd I don't believe in Bigfoot regardless but that's the story. I will try to find this link for you
stinsicles ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:18:23 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
http://www.lorencoleman.com/myakka.html
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dab9 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 14:58:55 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)*
"And I would have gotten away with it too, if it weren't for you meddling kids!"
edit: now I see why I got down voted. Didn't read the tag.
AmethystLullaby ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:23:34 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
"And that stupid dog!"
Which brings up the question, why haven't they used working dogs to try to sniff out these creatures? Do they not have a scent sample or something?
phantomganonftw ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 14:56:24 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Now the question is, why the fuck is there an ape wandering around the Florida Everglades? I don't thing that's their native habitat.
[deleted] ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 15:21:50 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Zoo's/exotic collectors. My godmother found a python in her back garden, she lives in Birmingham.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:05:30 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Has other evidence of wild/feral orangutans ever been found in Florida, though?
runefar ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:48:13 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
"Loren Coleman is the primary researcher on the photographs, having helped track down the two photographs to an "Eckerd photo lab at the intersection of Fruitville and Tuttle Roads" in Sarasota, Florida.[5] According to Chester Moore, Jr., the anonymous photographs were taken in Sarasota County near the Myakka River" - from wikipedia (which may not be the best source)
hoopstick ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:11:27 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Probably the same reason pythons are.
RCDrift ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:20:31 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
The everglades seems so inviting to all the species that are released into it. Not the everglades, but when I was living in Orlando we had reports of some King Cobras in the wild. I promptly moved to the NW after that.
stinsicles ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:16:40 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
http://www.lorencoleman.com/myakka.html
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:36:05 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I can accept that, but assuming it was in FL, how did a regular ape get there? I'd love to read the article if you have any idea where to find it. I'll google myself later if I don't forget--too busy redditing now.
stinsicles ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:17:55 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
http://www.lorencoleman.com/myakka.html I was wrong they said orangutan
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:01:27 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Does look like an orangutan. I wasn't particularly doubting that it was a known species of ape--I just wonder how it got there. I live in Middle TN and there have been alligators to turn up around here. No idea how as they are definitely not indigenous, but are at least from the same continent.
zuesk134 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:45:19 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
florida has a reputation of non native animals being released into the everglades by owners that dont want them anymore
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:49:42 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I'm aware of the snake problem--was not aware of a great ape problem.
runefar ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:49:56 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
"Loren Coleman is the primary researcher on the photographs, having helped track down the two photographs to an "Eckerd photo lab at the intersection of Fruitville and Tuttle Roads" in Sarasota, Florida.[5] According to Chester Moore, Jr., the anonymous photographs were taken in Sarasota County near the Myakka River"- From wikipedia(noth the best source but still)
stinsicles ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:47:06 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I'm searching for the article now but think about it this way we discover new animals all the time or existing animals in new areas. If I can find this article it would clear up everything
doctorbooshka ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:01:09 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Why are apes running wild in Florida?
stinsicles ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:06:37 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
That's my whole thing. That's why I want to find the article I remember they proved it but don't remember how. I too think it is crazy for an ape to be running rampant
doctorbooshka ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:14:09 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I know there was a chimp that was running wild somewhere in Florida maybe some but let an ape loose.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:41:50 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
There are monkeys in Florida that have gotten out and they live in Ocala National Forest (central Florida) now. There are a lot of people that obtain exotic species in the state. Orangutans are from Borneo, which has a climate not totally dissimilar to Florida (they're about the same distance from the equator, just Borneo is to the south and Florida to the north). It's conceivable that one got out and was chillin. There's even a chimp refuge (where Michael Jackson's chimp Bubbles lives now) so the climate is not bad for primates.
stinsicles ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:18:18 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
http://www.lorencoleman.com/myakka.html
killhimalready ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:46:13 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I am a huge fan of cryptozoology. Loren Coleman is very respected in our field. That link holds water.
aazav ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:15:11 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Looks like an orangutan.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:56:47 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Why is there an ape in Florida?
stinsicles ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 15:08:49 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Why not
stinsicles ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:17:31 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
http://www.lorencoleman.com/myakka.html I do not know why it is free or walking around
Fireaxethrower ยท 48 points ยท Posted at 14:34:36 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
It's body shape very closely resembles that of an orangutans.
Codoro ยท 25 points ยท Posted at 14:46:30 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I was thinking that, it kinda looks like a skinny black orangutan
lookslikeyoureSOL ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:48:07 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Why is there a clearly large orangutan on the loose in FL?
risunokairu ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 15:00:25 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
whys it go to be a BLACK oragutan?!
Codoro ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 15:01:16 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Because it's fur absorbs all frequencies of visible light...
aazav ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:16:28 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Its* body shape
Learn this.
Also, it's "an orangutan" or "orangutans" without the an in front of it.
Fireaxethrower ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:00:43 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Damn you grammar!
[deleted] ยท 24 points ยท Posted at 14:44:53 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
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lookslikeyoureSOL ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:48:32 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Not before it rapes you.
AnOnlineHandle ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:51:22 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Hello from a fellow person at 1:51am regretting going through this thread an hour later.
paperballpark ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:20:29 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Can't get to sleep? Try /r/nosleep. There's a sub for everything.
efejones ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 15:04:46 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
There was a great segment by Colbert when he was on The Daily Show about Skunk Ape. I've looked but am unable to find the clip anywhere. My favorite is when he asks the guy for 3 adjectives describing the creature. The interviewee says benevolent twice. It would be so great to see again! Any help is appreciated!
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:09:04 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
It looks like a Morlock from "The Time Machine" by H.G. Wells.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 13:51:55 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 14:04:26 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
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BeardedTree ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 14:41:49 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
That's fucking horrifying.
heavyfrog2 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:42:17 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
What exactly do you find horrifying about it? It is a hairy animal, which means it lives outside and feels the cold in winter. That is why it has thick fur. If it is furry, it means that some of its ancestors may have frozen to death. Please give it a banana and take it inside. It is obviously afraid of you. That is why it is seldom seen.
BeardedTree ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:58:48 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
It also appears to have some great strength and a very primal nature, not to mention the glowing eyes, all which add to its horrifying nature.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:37:08 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
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Spork_Warrior ยท 22 points ยท Posted at 14:51:38 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I believe that after Patterson died his family found a Bigfoot costume and some other items locked in a trunk, which hints pretty strongly that this film was faked.
[deleted] ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 15:09:53 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe after filming Bigfoot, he wanted to have sex with it, so he bought a costume. Did you ever think of that, Mr Skeptic?
Spork_Warrior ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 15:14:34 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Dang. You got me.
PalermoJohn ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:21:01 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I upvoted ypu becaause I thought you were taling about the Hendersons
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:29:19 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Haha, I LOVED that movie when I was a kid! May have something to do with this irrational clinging to the idea that there are thousands of hairy bipeds running around the North American woods (and no, I don't mean homeless people).
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:49:38 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Although the Patterson film is most likely fake...
MadAtHubby ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:07:17 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Yet again, I'm referencing Fact or Faked: Paranormal Files, but their attempt to replicate the Patterson film is very interesting.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:57:57 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Any time there's publicity to be had people will try to get in on it. Sure, you could say Patterson and Gimlin were doing the same thing if they staged the film, but I don't think they were. The lack of a matching suit (even when they claimed to have found the suit they used in that video- which if they really had would be well known and accept by the Bigfoot community), as well as the inability of numerous people to recreate the film convincingly makes me think there's something more going on. Plus as technology has improved, there have been some odd things discovered about whatever it is in the video, including things such as how the muscles move as it walks- something that you wouldn't see with a suit unless it was super skintight (which the suit they've produced was not) and whoever was wearing it was naked.
Or maybe I just really want to believe there's a bigfoot.
Car-Los-Danger ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 18:24:38 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Not a fake. People just NEED to believe it's a fake. People are always sure of the paradigm in which they view the world. Show them something that may shake up that paradigm and they cannot accept it.
manfromfuture ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:44:06 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Definitley fake, the guy in the costume is named Bob Heironimus. The most compelling evidence for Bigfoot's existence is that it is some version of a Gigantopithecus. Recent discoveries of Gigantopithecus teeth in weird places, like Chinese medicine shops shows that they were alive as recently as 100,000 years ago and overlapped with early humans. This was a major revelation, much like the discovery of homo florensiensis in 2003. There is a theory that they crossed the land bridge and set up shop in the Pacific Northwest. The primate specialist Jane Goodall believes this to be the case..
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:51:06 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I'm familiar with Bob Heironimus and he's a shady character. Plus, as I've said before, they've done research on the gait of the thing in the video- yes, it passes the eye test in that 30 second clip you posted, but as I said in another post, there's muscle movement evident in the video, as well as limb proportions that don't match Heironimus or humans in monkey suits in general.
manfromfuture ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:16:21 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Shady enough to participate in a Bigfoot hoax but he Passed a lie detector about it. I can't take any sort of analysis of that video very seriously. Metrology and photogrametry are tricky even in very controlled settings and this is from a 50 year old choppy, unstable video.
Testimony aside, Paterson-Gimlin looks like a person in a Gorilla costume. I can't believe that this super stealthy primate that has evaded detection for hundreds of years would let a person get that close and then just pimp away like that.
Cyberslasher ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:36:27 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Man fuck that. It's got stupid noises added to be freaky, and the user has smiledog.jpg
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:46:29 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah but it was the first stabilized video I found of it.
CorrectingYouAgain ยท -19 points ยท Posted at 14:47:00 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
TIL there are people that think that was real.
You needn't reply, I'm really disinterested in what you have to say about that.
MaxThePug ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 15:09:10 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Good troll. 9/10.
CorrectingYouAgain ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:08:07 on December 16, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
No troll. Legitimately disinterested.
LostAtFrontOfLine ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 14:56:27 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
You're kind of an ass. You seriously just insulted somebody and told them to fuck off. What greater power has made you the one who should be posting their opinion while being too good to hear from other people?
stickimage ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:53:32 on February 25, 2014 ยท (Permalink)
Looking at his user name and his history of comments on Reddit, "kind of an ass" is the understatement of the year.
LostAtFrontOfLine ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:55:13 on February 25, 2014 ยท (Permalink)
I made it last year so it should have been in the 2013 polls. Too bad you noticed it too late to nominate me.
CorrectingYouAgain ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 15:09:56 on December 16, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, I'm OK with that.
I was seriously not interested in hearing their thoughts on the film.
LostAtFrontOfLine ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:07:06 on December 16, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Then shut up and don't share yours.
CorrectingYouAgain ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 16:09:26 on December 16, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
No sweat.
TheArgyleGargoyle ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:51:02 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Not saying it's real, just that it's never been successfully recreated.
Hugo_5t1gl1tz ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 14:55:08 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Than keep your condescending thoughts to yourself. Just because everyone else doesn't know it was proven fake doesn't make you above them.
CorrectingYouAgain ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:10:59 on December 16, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Lack of interest is not condescension.
Chaplin_Wannabe ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:53:58 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Morlocks!
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:25:24 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
A myth? That is pretty insulting.
don_majik_juan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:34:31 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Harry and the Hendersons...he had to go somewhere after the show.
Shadax ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:35:36 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
This link won't work for me on mobile for some reason.
Can anyone rehost?
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:42:36 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I don't know why it wont load, I just linked to the picture from the wiki page. But anyways, here's a copy of it on imgur http://i.imgur.com/58dEN53.png
Shadax ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:45:00 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Perfect. Thank you.
Not sure why either, may have just been me.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:47:34 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
HONEY LAKE SWAMP MONSTER
ErniesLament ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:48:55 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Come on man. That thing looks like someone spilled water on one of the Rockafire Explosion bears.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:51:02 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I dont care that its actually an ape or some guy dressed up, its still creepy
toddlange1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:04:08 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
There is a skunk ape museum down in the Everglades in Florida. It is run by a man who took a photo of the skunk ape.
http://imgur.com/a/dnas8
srizen ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:05:24 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I saw this on mystery hunters a long time ago. To me it still just looks like a really old chimpanzees that got loose.
TheAntiyouRises ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:05:43 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
This picture has always been pretty unsettling for me.
OriginalityIsDead ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:34:58 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Skunk Ape can be easily explained as Pareidolia.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:39:51 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I read this as skunk rape. who would want to rape a skunk?
mynameistrain ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:44:42 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I know that guy! Homeless Jim we call him!
Nice guy. Smells pretty bad. Probably on account of the homeless thing.
tombofkings ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:02:36 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
The fact that I live ~30 min from Mayakka makes this terrifying.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:08:57 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Jesus Christ, It's like eye recognition instinct kicked in. I didn't even notice the picture before I noticed this thing's eyes.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:12:02 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Jesus Christ, It's like eye recognition instinct kicked in. I didn't even notice the picture before I noticed this thing's eyes.
tagpro-grandpa ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:13:44 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
To me that looks like a display in a chintzy museum. That's what comes to mind anyhow.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:14:55 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Without reading anything, that's obviously an orangutan. I grant you, an Oran in Florida is weird, but still 100000% more plausible than an undiscovered species of ape native to Florida.
Source - functional eyes and occams razor.
Kpett1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:15:23 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
If I remember correctly this is from Sarasota, FL. If this isn't a "skunk ape" what other type of animal could this be?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:19:30 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I want to believe Yeti am skeptical.
stevennapalm ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:30:29 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Off topic but that looks like a mega-bulk dog
dotMJEG ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:37:25 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
that is fucking creepy
Pibbface ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:21:11 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
General Skunka'pe!
campkush420 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:49:37 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I've seen the movie Congo and I don't believe you.
Starkravingmad7 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:01:27 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
My buddy's cousin swears he saw it camping out near the FL-GA border. Went to take a piss away from the fire, came running back with his pants around his ankles, pissing everywhere. Jumped into his truck and drove straight home to south Florida. I can't say I knew him very well before the incident, but I can tell you he's spooked now. Won't say much other that it had a godawful smell and it was big. Dude's a pretty straight shooter, isn't scared of black bears or hogs and I know he's been charged by both.
notacyborg ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:04:02 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Would you describe it as docile, docile and benevolent?
xStahl ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:51:11 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Does he smoke the finest skunk ?
greeniguana6 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:54:37 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)*
This was disproven on a documentary I saw, not sure which channel.
Not that documentaries are right all the time, but usually they don't have anything to gain from disproving it. Something about in Florida, apes that used to be kept as pets (but were outlawed or something) were rummaging through people's garbage.
Edit: The two pictures were taken near the largely undeveloped Myakka river, where people would leave their pet apes. In the 1900s there was a short trend where people used to own pet apes for fun. Eventually they got too big, so people would abandon them in undeveloped areas such as this river. After they grew to be very large, and people started developing in these undeveloped areas, the apes started digging into trash cans for food. This lady caught this one on camera in 2000.
Mother_Of_Reposts ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:34:05 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:06:56 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
It looks like a black haired Orangutan.
UnknownQTY ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:08:40 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Well he is smiling...
sleepydon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:46:50 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
He's obviously giving a big smile in the picture. The camera flash is making his eyes glow and look not so friendly.
Comrade_Cephalopod ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:50:44 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I think I remember seeing something where some zoologists decided it was probably a fake- not a skunk ape, not an orangutan, a fake creature created with a fur rug or costume.
Regardless it's a pretty creepy photo, we can't really ever know if it was fake unless the photographer comes forward. Also I've never heard about skunk apes being friendly, from what I've read about them they're supposed to be more aggressive than the northern stories about bigfoot.
PlaceboBunny ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:07:23 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
There's a squatch in these woods.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:25:53 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I thought apes didn't have eyeshine? Or is that just humans?
nomorethrownaway ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:54:59 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Of course they're nice, I mean, look at those pearly whites!
AuPhoenix ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:11:10 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
looks like a Gigantopithecus an early hominin species
figglyy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:32:51 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I jut noticed it looks REALLY stoned
mrhairybolo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:04:01 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
My friends xbox name is Skunk ape135. His name just got a whole lot more fucked up
Vendix ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:18:17 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
And whoever took that picture is dead because that thing mauled them and ate their soul, right?
Seriously, it looks like they took a picture of this thing from three feet away.
GrooveWarrior ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:03:03 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
If Bigfoot, or skunk apes were real, someone would have discovered their feces by now. Easiest proof that something doesn't exist is the fact that it has left no feces.
DerangedDesperado ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:15:41 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
What if it's hiding the poop? I don't leave feces lying around and I exist :-)
KosherHam ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:24:57 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe they cover it up. I know my cat covers hers.
bigdog54 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:19:31 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Well pretty much unexplained things count as supernatural. Whether it be aliens, ghosts, or cryptids, as long as it is beyond natural things as we know it
tablecontrol ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:31:54 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
if i saw that, there is no way in hell i'd get that close to take a picture/
ButteryLou ยท 1036 points ยท Posted at 15:18:02 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)*
I really hope this doesn't get buried already...A friend of mine was at family party where these two photos were taken. Someone (I'm guessing an aunt/mom) wanted a picture of all the cousins together so they posed outside on the porch. In the second photo, you can pretty easily make out an apparition of a man and a dog in the window looking out at the kids.
TL:DR Look at the window
Edit: FIXED THE IMGUR ALBUM TO PUT PHOTOS CHRONOLOGICALLY. to clear up some of the stuff comments are bringing up here's what I know about the photo. The pictures were taken in a short span of time. They probably took the first photo, realized the young girl wasn't there and called her over to take another. The apparition was spotted by the aunt who took the photo and then emailed around to the rest of the family. There was no one at the party who looked like the main nor was there a dog, but supposedly the apparition resembles a family member (uncle) who passed away.
Here's the album: http://imgur.com/a/eXB8e
benihana2662 ยท 442 points ยท Posted at 15:27:50 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
ok, so the dude in the window is creepy as fuck, but the orbs maybe i can explain. so you can tell by looking at the porch that it was raining during or before the picture was taken, so maybe the "orbs" are rain drops flling or on the camera lens. that dude is creepy though.
penisinthepeanutbttr ยท 91 points ยท Posted at 15:52:54 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
most likely the orbs are just a reflection from the flash of the camera hitting falling rain drops at a high shutter speed and bouncing back into the lens. Notice how almost ever "orb" in any picture has the same color temperature as a camera flash? Also I kind of see the dog but I cant make out any guy standing in the window.
EDIT: nevermind I see the guy now in the first picture. Looks almost like someone spliced together the same picture or took a long exposure.
giroro24 ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 16:30:36 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
It looked to me like a woman sneering at the family.
polymera ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:29:06 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Do you have any other explanations for it if it were taken indoors? I have a picture with similar orbs but maybe 3 or 4 more. They only show up in some shots from the same spot. I can see how the OP's pic can be flash on rain drops (and the N on the shoe glowing) but I can't really explain it for my photos since it's indoors. Parents are pretty convinced it's spirits. I don't believe in the stuff but I don't have an explanation either.
I think I should take another look at look at the photos and see if I see any ghosts haha.
viromancer ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 18:33:29 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Dust particles when you're indoors.
penisinthepeanutbttr ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:32:14 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Any kind of particle really floating in the air. It doesn't necessarily matter the size it's more about the distance from the lens.
amtracdriver ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:39:43 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Can't be, ive taken several shots indoors where orbs appear. Or maybe it was the beer.
x1expert1x ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 16:31:45 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
There is no flash. You would have seen the reflection of the flash on the wet wooden floor.
devrelm ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 17:44:54 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
First, the deck isn't at the correct angle to reflect the flash. Think about it, do you get blinded by the your own headlights when you drive down a wet road at night?
Second, of course there's a flash. Look at how the flowers and chair(?) are lit in the foreground of the photo. They're much brighter than everything else, and the shadow that the top bar on the chair casts on the flowers indicates that the source of the light is positioned just above the lense. The people in the photo don't appear to have significantly-defined shadows, indicating that it is a cloudy day (also obvious as the source of the wet deck) and that a low-powered flash was used, since it couldn't cast shadows on a cloudy day from approximately 10 feet away.
antioxide ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:13:34 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)*
Tibetans say you can see the tikle of the recently deceased near their home. They look like small floating white lights. Also called bindu in Sanskrit.
benihana2662 ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 15:55:44 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
yeah, that's what i imagined that the orbs were and the guy is in the window of the first pic farthest to the right and in the top corner
TheSneakySeal ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 16:18:37 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I don't see anyone in a window lol
gullale ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 16:52:47 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Second picture, upper right corner of the window, looking creepily at the people being photographed.
DrStephenFalken ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:51:30 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
here you go
Although the Dog IMO is just the reflection of the little girl.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:25:24 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
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Patchwirk ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:59:33 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Right window, second picture. Look for a face.
DrStephenFalken ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:51:15 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
here you go
Although the Dog IMO is just the reflection of the little girl.
mykelbal ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 11:07:48 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
That's mean!
F1Yafghan ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:20:00 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, the dude reninds me of Michael Meyers
ButteryLou ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:30:56 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
yeah but from what i've been told the pictures were taken literally seconds apart. in both pictures the porch looks wet so it was probably raining in both or just stopped. its just really weird that in all of these knock off "ghost" tv shows they talk about orbs and in this one it kinda seems like it might be true.
EDIT: also, there is a ghost dog sitting next to the guy if anyone didn't catch it
[deleted] ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 16:02:38 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
if there was enough time for someone to get into the picture (looks pretty casual so I'm assuming she was in no rush), then there was definitely enough time for some rain to fall on the camera.
SemiProLurker ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 16:08:05 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
So clearly, they were not taken 'seconds apart'. The girl on the right has time enough to get up, go inside and stand by the window. You can see her there in the second picture.
You can also tell it has just stopped raining by the pattern of dry spots on the floor. Look at the guy second from right. In the second picture you can make out the dry patches of decking where his feet were in the first picture.
The 'ghost dog' is either, you know, a real dog, or most probably the reflection of the back of the girls head. You can also make out the reflection of her arm and the arm of the guy she is sitting on.
davemmm ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 17:15:09 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)*
And look at the beers each of them has. Completely different in each of the photos. One guy has a can between his legs when there was no can near him before. Another guy has two cans when he had just one before. Also look at the little white bits (flower petals?) on the deck. There are more in one picture than the other. Clearly not seconds part.
Edit: Also look on the deck behind the chairs. In one picture there is a big white cloth thing, in the next there is just a pair of black heels. If this was a deliberate hoax it was very amateur.
Edit2: Oh, and there's a fucking dog beneath the right-most chair in the "non-dog" picture. Christ, OP needs to delete this whole thread for us to retain our belief in human intellect.
Ansoni ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:40:18 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
He was holding the can in the first one. The only thing that changed is one bottle disappeared.
ButteryLou ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 18:54:11 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
The guy with two cans had both the entire time, one between his legs and on one the arm of the chair he's sitting on. Your argue for the flower petals can't be conclusive as they are just as easily droplets or rain/dust being caught in the pictures as many have stated before. The guy towards the right appears to have a bottle of beer in the first picture and then you can't see it in the second. My only explanation for that is maybe he gave it to someone or his holding it in a manner that we can't see it.
The cloth thing appears to be a towel. Perhaps someone gave one to them in between pictures to dry off the chairs because it was..you know..raining!
Lastly, the dog is indeed present in the first picture under the chair. It could have just as easily run out in between pictures. It could also be the same dog sitting in the window, but the dog-like apparition appears much larger and almost translucent.
ionlyjoined4thecats ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 01:10:27 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I think that black thing might be a cat. But you can tell that the dog in the window of the "creepy" photo has exactly the same size, shape, and position as a flowered object (apron? purse?) in the normal picture. This is either photoshopped, or there was some weird reflection stuff going on.
ButteryLou ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 16:11:19 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I apologize, the photos on the imgur album were in the reverse order. I just fixed them so they reflect the actual sequence of events. In the first photo, the girl was inside. (Presumably) they wanted another photo with her in it so they called her out to take another.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:44:55 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Wait what which guy ? I can't see the girl or dog -_-
[deleted] ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 16:21:39 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
The one that resembles Edward Scissorhands.
GoodGuyGuitar ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 17:27:06 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I was thinking Jack White.
headlessCamelCase ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 15:48:54 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
The girl isn't ghostly or anything. Look at the second picture in the album at the guy on the right. Then look at the first picture in the album at the same guy. There is a human girl wearing pink who's leaning on him.
JustAnotherImmigrant ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:10:33 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
lol, that's not it.
The "girl" is in the window, not the girl hugging the guy.
headlessCamelCase ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:23:24 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
lol sorry, was on mobile and couldn't really tell what was in the window
indeedwatson ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 15:57:16 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
It's obviously a reflection of some sort, the pictures were taking far enough appart that the camera and the people moved.
rancegt ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:26:11 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
The first picture was taken from the porch. The second picture was taken from the yard. The lens caught a few drops of water between shots.
Look under the chairs between bro 2 and bro 3. Someone put some extra stuff under there.
benihana2662 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:37:11 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
yeah, i did not see the dog, but also in the second pic you can still see to very small orbs underneath the middle couch. i don't believe in ghosts necessarily, but i do believe in something. however, i don't really accept the orbs as a sign, there are just too many other explainable things that can create an "orb" like that in a photograph. im now where near trying to explain the dog and figure though. good pics
Daedalus81 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:53:55 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Bullshit. The girl on the right has enough time to move off frame then so does someone in the window.
SemiProLurker ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 16:01:24 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
She has time enough to go inside. You can see her through the window in the second pic.
Seconds my ass.
ButteryLou ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:29:45 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
The girl was originally inside then called outside to take a photo with the rest of the kids. Supposedly there was no one at the party who looked like the man nor was there a dog.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:49:09 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
nice try. you can see the dog (hind leg, and part of head) under the chair of the guy on the right in the "before" picture
Jaxie911 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:36:37 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
The hind leg looks more like a cat to me.
tuckc89 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:09:57 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
also there is a pattern of some sort (maybe fabric?) in the window on the left hand side and then it is gone in the next pic...
devrelm ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:34:42 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I think that's the girl that people are saying was inside on the first pic. I think that the same spot in the window is where people are seeing a "dog", but that's just a reflection of the back of the girl's head.
mikefromcanmore ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:04:50 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
As with quite a few other pictures here, this is right. It looks just like water drops on the lens, and perhaps coupled with an internal reflection between lens elements.
Austanyo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:09:07 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I'm sure the orbs are from the reflection on the far right guy's shoe.
MenuBar ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:34:19 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I don't see it.
IntoxicatedKoala ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:37:30 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Could someone maybe circle or zoom in on the face? I'm having a bloody had time looking on Alien Blue.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:45:56 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
That isn't a dude. It's a woman with dark curly hair and glasses. I don't understand how that isn't obvious.
gaoshan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:20:32 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
As a former professional photographer I can say, definitively and without even the slightest hint of doubt, that any "orbs" seen in photos are perfectly normal objects (water droplets, dust motes, insects, etc.) in the foreground that are out of focus and (frequently) reflecting some light source (usually the flash but can be any light source).
The "best" orb photos I've seen were immediately identifiable as: a flying insect, caught in the flash, out of focus and blurred across the frame; a section of very thin camera strap, blown out by the flash and out of focus.
I used to have a person that would regularly mail me photocopies of my published photos where they had highlighted "orbs" and provided detailed analysis (i.e. insane rantings) about what they were. They said I had a gift for capturing the supernatural when the reality was I like to shoot backlit (which can also cause this effect).
There are no "orbs". They are not a thing. Ever. Period. If you find yourself thinking maybe they are supernatural just remember that there are people that thing the contrails from airplanes are part of a secret government program to spread chemicals, thus "chemtrails", in the atmosphere and believing in "orbs" is slightly crazier than that.
SeaGherkin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:41:48 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I don't see it, can you enhance it/zoom? Does it look like he's in the house or just like a window reflection?
anonymousmouse2 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:54:10 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Also the camera seems damaged. What's up with the black smudges on both photos?
IntoxicatedKoala ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:29:41 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I can't seem to see the man, mind pointing him out?
john2kxx ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:31:52 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Third square from the bottom on the far right side.
It's kind of faint, but definitely a face. Why is this unexplained, though? Just a dude looking out the window.
sicknick ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:24:41 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Someone mentioned, in all the pics posted, ghosts are looking into the camera. This one is not, kinda makes it more creepy. That dude in the window also has a distinct look/face. I'd be looking through old family albums and newspaper records at the library.
modernbenoni ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 04:26:07 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Nobody mentioned the orbs, nobody thought they were remotely supernatural...
GetMeAColdPop ยท 54 points ยท Posted at 16:08:41 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Looks like Edward Scissorhands! Creepy
jessticless ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 19:52:51 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I thought he looked like Snape
[deleted] ยท 61 points ยท Posted at 15:51:17 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
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RMPA ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:07:19 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I know that my family likes to take pictures of everyone just hanging out without moving everyone around and setting up a perfect picture. Maybe the cousins were just sitting around drinking and the aunt wanted a picture of all of them since they were already there, then she suggested the last girl come to join them as she was the only one out of the picture? I'm not sure that's the best explanation for why the bench wasn't moved, but it seems like something my mother would do.
Edit: yeah the first picture definitely looks like an "action" picture while the second one is everyone looking at the camera. The aunt just wanted to capture the mood probably and not disturb anyone.
thenfour ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:03:28 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Look at the ground; everything is wet. I guess nobody wanted to sit on a wet seat.
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 17:59:27 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Yea, so why didn't they move the bench out of the way before they took the pic.
I_suck_at_mostthings ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 17:30:33 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Priest Snape
dylan89 ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 17:30:42 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I don't mean to be rude, but I can't see the dog in the window. Can anyone outline the canine for me?
[deleted] ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 19:44:18 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
http://i.imgur.com/rD0PKsj.jpg
dog is sitting facing the camera, with its mouth open/tongue out (where the arrow is pointing)
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:44:33 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:57:10 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I never said it was actually a ghost dog. That's just the only dog-like thing I see in the window.
AnarchPatriarch ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:52:19 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I don't think he was accusing you of suggesting that, he's just adding to the thread.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:57:20 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Oh gotcha
dylan89 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:54:54 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Thanks for the assistance! It definitely helps. I thought it was the girl's reflection, however I can definitely see how it resembles a dog.
SmellySlutSocket ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:47:05 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
http://imgur.com/H0WzwUz
Hope that helps
dylan89 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:55:36 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Thanks for the assistance! It definitely helps.
Like I said to dsaavedra, I thought it was the girl's reflection, however I can definitely see how it resembles a dog.
ketchupgoddess ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 17:17:18 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
The dog looks like the reflection of the girl's knee and brown dress in the window.
genk ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:33:37 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
It is her, its the dress. Even has the pink ribbon
[deleted] ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 17:34:28 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I know, serious relies only, and I am being serious when I say that person in the window looks a hell of a lot like Professor Snape.
teewuane ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 16:10:08 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
This is the first one to give me chills , it took a while but when I saw it... Gooooo. Look at second picture window on the right towards the top.
gloomdoom ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 18:10:53 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, I don't think you realize what a "picture window" is. Those are your basic storm windows, none of which are officially picture windows.
caribouqt ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 18:44:35 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
He's saying look at the second picture, the window on the right. Not look at the picture window.
[deleted] ยท 23 points ยท Posted at 15:48:18 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:48:00 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
there's two pictures... it's in the second one and I shit my pants
hyperbolical ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:47:24 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Not the window in the middle, the one off to the far right
Sir_Smoke_a_lot ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:54:36 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Now thats some creepy mothafuckin shit
suckstoyerassmar ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:50:09 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Yep, some shit about a man in the window but all i can see is the kitchen & some bookcase or maybe a christmas tree in the right window.
OH GOD I SEE IT. kinda. i think it's just weird reflections because of the two different angles, but i can see it. right window only, just compare the two images.
atrophying ยท 38 points ยท Posted at 15:57:31 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
If you look at the first picture that was taken, the little girl is standing in the window to the far right. You can see the pattern of her dress and the pink of the dress sash.
Also, the gentleman she's posing with had a full bottle of beer in the (chronologically) first photo, and a nearly empty one in the second. I doubt he chugged his beer in a space of seconds.
I don't think it was supernatural; I think someone was pulling your chain.
T_D_A_G_A_R_I_M ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 16:34:02 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Plus, what mom would take a family photo with a chair in the way?
aCornField ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:09:07 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Also, look at the floor under them, on the first picture there are some stuff there, on the second one, a lot. I doubt it was just a few moments between pictures.
Also, the dog on the window, if you look at the first picture, you will se there's something inside, in the same position, that looks like a pillow or something. When the photographer changed position, the light wasn't strong enough so you can't see the shapes and differences of colours.
About the guy, he is problably someone that was there and is just having fun with this ghost story.
aprildh08 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:00:17 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
In the first picture, the little girl in the brown dress is what you can see inside; you can see the pattern on her dress.
jnewt ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:07:15 on December 26, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
In the first pic, There looks to be a black dog/cat under the guy's chair on the very right as well. This photo seems fishy
hurrr123 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:18:24 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I think the bottom one was taken first. Look at the foot placing on both the guys on the right. The top one has the outline of their feet precisely where they had it on the bottom. So I think it was drizzling/raining when the bottom was taken and then a second was taken after the girl went inside and the guys moved adjusted their feet. Op got it confused, maybe.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:39:03 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
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NDIrish27 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:16:32 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
It's pretty clear he drank about half of it. You can see the beer go up to the neck of the bottle in the first picture, and it's pretty obviously about halfway down the bottle in the second picture.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:11:04 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
The kid next to him got a second beer. Nobody saw that?
NDIrish27 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:41:46 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah but his first can could have been almost empty, so that could have been a time difference of like 30 seconds. Most people don't chug Yuengling (that's what the far right kid's beer looks like, anyway.)
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:50:05 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Well yeah, and in 30 seconds the girl from the window came out and joined the picture.
"Get your other cousin out here. I want to take a photo with everyone."
"And have her get me another beer on the way out!"
It's just that everyone was talking about this one Yuengling to prove the pictures were not mere moments apart, but it's one of many factors. Also, shit on the floor of the deck has moved around.
NDIrish27 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:53:52 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Conclusion: These pictures were taken weeks apart!
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:55:01 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Months. Minimum.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:54:17 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
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NDIrish27 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:44:45 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
But we can make educated guesses. As in, the time between pictures was probably 45 seconds to a minute. Some dude inside the house could have just stepped up to the window and stared at them creepily while they took the picture.
RoadtoVR_Ben ยท 40 points ยท Posted at 16:24:22 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I was impatient so I clicked the link before reading the explanation. I assumed the second photo was supposed to be the one where something was amiss, so I examined it closely. I figured there would be someone in one of the windows and I checked them both. After finding nothing, I returned to read the explanation. Now I knew I was looking for a human face and a dog -- lo and behold, I found them with ease. That's how a lot of these ghost photos work. Someone barely identifies something and then tells everyone else what they are looking for. The power of suggestion, and the pattern recognition of the human brain, are pretty amazing amazing.
Edit: Your uncle must have been one terrifying guy if he resembles that demon skeleton man in the window.
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 18:40:44 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
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ajsatx ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:17:54 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Same. I don't know why everyone says it's a man; it looks like there is long hair covering one eye.
LVII ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:36:07 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
What? That's so clearly a man in the photo. I wouldn't have to be told. The dog was harder to see, so that might be through the power of suggestion. But the dude's face is just too clear. He looks real.
LovelyLittleBiscuit ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:50:18 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
It looks like the demon headmaster to me.
digitalmofo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:55:23 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I never saw a dog, but like you, I looked at the photos without reading first, and I can easily see someone in the window. What the hell?
Debusatie ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 22:49:31 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Or maybe because you weren't looking in the right spot and the explanation pointed where to look?
Brooke_notBrook ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:29:10 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
That is really creepy..
spankymuffin ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 18:42:11 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Or really fucking stupid.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:44:33 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
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gloomdoom ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:09:22 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
That's because he said, 'OMG, ghost in window" and there are literally 4 windows in each photo for a total of eight goddamn windows, none of which appear to have fuck all in them but light reflections to me.
jessticless ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:56:51 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
The far right window in the second pic clearly has a man's face in it. The dog is harder to see
Khedy ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:49:10 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
This is oddly comforting. I lost an animal recently and the idea that wherever I end up, they could be there, too makes me feel a lot better.
EpicCyclops ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:45:00 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
When you look through the window in the first picture, I think you can see the girl and her dress that is on the far right in the second picture. In the second picture, the man that appears seems to be looking at the girl. It is almost like he is following her around.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:41:50 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Nice. A Tiger Town Tavern shirt. Go Tigers!
silverfishhandcatch ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:29:09 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I clicked on the album and I'm not seeing a man in the windows..
Edit: ok what the fuck
PacloverN1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:35:56 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I've been staring at the window and can't see anything.
ButteryLou ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:40:24 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
there are two photos, make sure you're looking at the 2nd one.
PacloverN1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:21:13 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah I see it now.
jamin007 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:39:44 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I'm sorry but where is the dog? I can clearly see the man but no dog.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:40:57 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Looks like Professor Snape
yelkca ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:41:06 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
That ghost looks a lot like post-surgeries Michael Jackson.
Chriscrazy99 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:42:29 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Why is Alan Rickman in your window?
Haljegh ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:53:49 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Baby's first photoshop?
A lot has changed between the two photographs.
Look beneath the middle/lounging guy's feet, a giant sack disappears.
ButteryLou ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:56:11 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
In the actual first photo, the sack isn't there, and it appears when the girl comes back. My best guess is that its a towel that someone brought out to wipe off the chairs
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:09:19 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Can you point it out, I don't see them.
rejpenbar ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:15:11 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I can't see the dog. only some shadow of a face. Where is this dog?
Pineapple_Rocketship ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:19:14 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
It's fucking Snape
BlendeLabor ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:38:50 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Has nobody thought that it may just be the reflection of the girls dress in the window?
dotMJEG ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:40:42 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I HAVE THAT SAME ROCKING BENCH THING FROM MY GRANDMOTHER. It was black, but we recently painted it nearly that exact same green.
Trippy
schm0 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:43:21 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I don't see anything except some smudgy reflections that very vaguely resemble a human face (ala Pareidoli). Not seeing a dog at all.
007chill ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:52:54 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Wow... the second picture is giving me chills. If you look to the left of the big man in the window... It looks like there is another two people - a man who appears to be holding something that looks like a scroll... and there is a little girl beside him. If anyone else can't see it, I will make a paint circling it. I had to get my face close to the screen and blow up the photos in RES.
Garrickus ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:03:31 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)*
I think the photo with the young girl comes first. If you look at the feet of the two men on the right, then the dry patches where their feet were on the other picture, surely you can assume that they had their feet in one position while it was raining(perhaps it's raining very lightly) and moved them after the picture was taken. Of course, they could have moved their feet apart then back, but what are the odds of both of them doing this at the same time?
Secondly, look at the man in the middle, with his feet over the arm of his chair. There are bags under his feet, one of which at least I assume is the young girls, since after she presumably leaves the bags are also gone. This also makes me think the photos were taken not so close together, as there also seems to be a black cat, or a small black dog, behind the right-most man's chair.
EDIT: From what I can tell the dog in the 'man' picture is facing out of the window, toward the camera, and has it's mouth open. I didn't mention it before because I honestly couldn't see it, and if anything I thought you meant a German Shepherd type doing facing the same way as the man.
EDIT 2: I would have made little pictures and stuff but imgur seems to be blocked on Sky Broadband atm, so I couldn't upload them.
EDIT 3: The girl on the left also seems to have done the same thing with her feet, and I can't see 3 people all moving there feet in unison to the exact spots that they had them before.
ButteryLou ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:08:57 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
from what I was told, the photo with the girl in it came second as they initially took one without her then called her over to join the rest of the kids in the photo. the item on the ground appears to me to be a towel that they might have brought out in between photos to wipe of the wet chairs.
Garrickus ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:22:34 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I'm just throwing in what I can. The towel looks a lot like a small black animal's hind leg, and why isn't in the other picture?
Maybe someone's trying to mess with you, or maybe there were more than two photos taken, one before, one with the girl, and maybe one after she went inside, because you can clearly see he in the left window.
Honestly, if it's a family party then that guy is probably going to look like an uncle or something anyway, since they're possibly related.
I've made this scenario up in my head where he's her father, then when the photo's taken he bangs on the window to tell her to come inside, that's why she's in the same place he was. Also, if the girl had time the get to that room, then the dog (or w/e animal) had time to get to the porch.
ButteryLou ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:27:11 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Oh, the item I'm referring to is the grey-ish thing in the middle. No doubt that appears to be a small black animal's (cat/dog) leg.
Garrickus ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:29:56 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
The grey-ish thing in the middle I assumed was the girl's bag that she took when she left, or at least it was removed after the first picture was taken.
ladymanatee ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:07:54 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
He looks like Severus Snape...
NotAlana ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:10:11 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I dont see it
castielsbitch ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:19:39 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
First one to properly creep me out. Thanks.....
Twisted_Genesis ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:26:15 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Slightly off topic but does the guy in the middle have on a Tiger Town Tavern shirt? Looks very similar.
AsHighAsTonyTheTiger ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:41:08 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I can't find it can someone photoshop a circle around it?
Emjds ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:13:50 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I don't see it.
thinsoldier ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:35:21 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I can't see the dog.
creeksoause ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:53:41 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
ATTENTION
can we see the rest of the photos on the roll?
hurrr123 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:20:32 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Are you sure the bottom one wasnt taken first? Look at the dry spots of the two guys on the right had their feet in the top photo. It's exactly how their feet were placed on the bottom.
TINcubes ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:30:40 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Wow man, i love this picture. Not for the ghost. But just for the memories it brought on. Chairs stuffed under whatever shelter from rain they can find, few beers in hand. ahhhhhh man... i miss beer n patios.
miss_smidge ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:38:42 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
The dog is in the first picture too. You can see it's back leg under the chair to the furthest right. You sure there was no dog there?
CJB95 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:40:02 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I see the man but where is the dog?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:50:55 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I'm being dead serious here so I hope the mods don't delete this I think that looks similar to the guy from the Grand Canyon picture.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:54:44 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Anyone else notice the tiger town tavern shirt? Let's fucking go Clemson
CertifiableNorris ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:10:05 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
If it were me, I wouldn't say "omg there was nobody in the house, this is proof of an afterlife!", I would say "there was somebody in the house, let's tell the police and change the locks"
Licker_store ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:27:11 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Not sure what to make of the creepy dude, but the dog happens to be the exact height and shape of the arm of the chair in the window of the first pic, so that's my explanation of the dog. I'm guessing there is some explanation for the human looking face too. It's creepy though. I'll give you that.
Seagull84 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:35:05 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
What I see here is one of thousands of different possibilities in the capture of light via digital camera. With the rain falling the way it was, the light of the sun coming in through clouds, covering the top right of the lends with a hand, etc... All the millions of rays of light the lens captures will translate into pixels, and the software compensates as best it can to mimic film. All I see here is light captured by the camera just happens to vaguely resemble a man and some weird blob to his left.
When you work in photography as long as a professional, you would get so used to seeing these things that it stops mattering, because camera lenses capture light in ways the Human eye does not perceive the same way.
DolphinGiraffe ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:55:25 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
This is creepy, but it also looks set up. The window has been nicely balanced in the photo.
MerchGwyar ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:09:35 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Could it be the reflection of the person taking the picture?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:29:39 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
How the fuck do people spot these abstract things in photos
whoparkshacar ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:34:18 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
The picturers were taken at least a full yuengling apart. Dude in the khaki shorts on the left on the box has an unopened bud and yuengling in his hand the guy on the far right has a full yuengling. In the second picture. dude on the box only has a bud and dude on the rights yuengling is almost empty. What bearing that has on validity of the picture I dont know. Oh and the little girl in the brown dress is in the window in the first picture.
Gonzobot ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:00:04 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I'm calling pareidolia. The window looks like a seated blackened corpse-face, not a dog, and a window reflecting trees to my eyes.
domoarigatodrloboto ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:15:08 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Don't worry; it's just The Master from Manos: Hands of Fate
bpaq3 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:19:47 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
You have such a great looking family.
Beastage ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:30:50 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
To me the "man" looks much more like a woman. And I see what you are saying is the dog, but I think that's just the brain trying to fill in gaps. That is definitely not a dog.
MiniAdge ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:32:50 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I don't see a dog or a man. What I do see is that the picture with the second girl in it was taken before the picture without her. You can tell by the placement of a few beers and mostly because the empty foot places under the two right hand guys.
Gogogodzirra ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:35:57 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Holy shit, i just took a pic of your pic. The guy with the beer can between his legs is a good buddy of mine. Fucking small creepy world.
ButteryLou ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:43:55 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
your the second person on this tread to have said something like that. the people in the photo are actually the cousins of my friend's friend, but still pretty weird that you know them!
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:40:06 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Dude needs to learn how to sit in a chair. That looks extremely uncomfortable.
TheNameIsWiggles ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:50:58 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Why does the girl's brown floral dress reflect in the window in the picture that she isn't in?
inailedyoursister ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:59:13 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
The creepiest thing is how all the guys are holding their beers like it is a dick.
SerendipityHappens ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:59:14 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Interesting. When you zoom in on the first pic, you can see what looks like a dark colored flowered tablecloth. Second pic, the dog is there. So if the guy may be a deceased uncle, did he have a dog?
blackcactuswes ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:58:24 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
creepiest one i've read so far. f everything about that 2nd photo
disasterpro ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:03:24 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
No dog there, huh? I clearly see a dog under the chair of the guy on the far right in the first picture.
Sick-Girl ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:32:48 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Rain...it's wet outside..?
*edit oh my god no, the guy in the window. Thanks for the nightmares.
ButteryLou ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:35:20 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
kind of strange hows there's several dots in one picture and zero in the other when both photos were taken seconds apart. of course there's a chance that somewhere in the 20 seconds between the pictures it began to rain again but I still think its creepy
SamTarlyLovesMilk ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:02:57 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
There are orbs in the second picture too. Just under chair dripping with water. I'm inclined to believe they are just water droplets in both photos. Sometimes you can just get a few drops falling. Or they are blown off nearby trees.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:44:13 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
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haychbee ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:45:17 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Really? REALLY?! sigh.
Buggywhips ยท 33 points ยท Posted at 19:03:17 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
This is a pretty interesting read if you have a little time...
http://mysteriousuniverse.org/2012/01/mountain-of-the-dead-the-dyatlov-pass-incident/
[deleted] ยท 55 points ยท Posted at 17:28:40 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I can't tell you whether or not this faked, but it's pretty godamn creepy if you ask me: http://imgur.com/MlLzWlz
knotafan ยท 70 points ยท Posted at 18:55:58 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
probably not faked, roofers are pretty kreepy
marsupialsales ยท 171 points ยท Posted at 20:28:31 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Taking a picture of my Grandmother. These two roofers were NOT present.
[deleted] ยท 24 points ยท Posted at 23:10:11 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Ah the old smiggle magiggle
karmavorous ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 23:25:01 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Just decided to get up on your Grandmother's neighbor's roof to take a picture of her???
I call BS.
marsupialsales ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 23:33:06 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Did you not see the [serious] tag?
Sky_Light ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 22:17:51 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Granny's just watching those hot, sweaty men. Nothing creepy about that. Old people need love, too.
LucaaMarie ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:47:37 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Would you to boys like some dark dramatic lightning lemonade?
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:30:57 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
It's creepy to me because it reminds me of a construction job I was on as a teenager, where a crazy old lady next door kept yelling that she was going to kill us. Seeing this picture brought back the feeling!
PavelDatsyuk ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:26:09 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Having to tear off a roof is the shittiest part of the job. Scratch that, cleaning up is just as bad, if not worse.
agentidaho ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:21:31 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I was part of a crew that was specifically for tear offs. yeah, it sucks.
dilli23 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:01:49 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Looks like Mark Kerr on the left, post-fighting.
karmavorous ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:29:41 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Pretty close to where I lived in New Albany, Indiana there was a 2 story white woodsided building with a greyish green roof. I think the first floor was a store that sold Church and Religious supplies.
In all the second floor windows, they had statues of various religious figures. Like wax museum type statues of Jesus and various saints.
I would not at all be surprised if that was the building and that's a some saint statue and that two roofers took the picture as a goof/hoax.
welivedintheocean ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 00:18:08 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
This has always been a favourite video of mine. If it's faked, it's great acting. Skip to 1 min if you're impatient.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cV6AgSfK-l0
emperor000 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:30:39 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
It's just a person...
mcco8883 ยท 104 points ยท Posted at 19:54:54 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
This might get buried, but this picture made me think twice. Some of my dad's friends set up a trail cam in the middle of the woods in
November or December a year ago. <EDIT: Time stamp says it was from Dec. 2011>That's what they got in one of the pictures. You would think if it was actually a lost little boy running around in the middle of the night you would have several pictures on the trail cam as it is triggered by movement. Also maybe he wouldn't be so see-through? I dunno. It's more convincing to me because it's just a picture on my dad's friend's trailcam. Not a picture people were taking when they were trying to find ghosts.PShireman ยท 88 points ยท Posted at 21:36:09 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I'm from Wisconsin and it's not uncommon to stumble upon a trail cam in the woods, find something creepy (like a doll head), and stick it in front of the camera for shits and giggles.
mirandamm ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 22:12:19 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Yea, my dad is from Plattville Wisconsin and he used to talk about doing stuff for "shits and giggles" like that. I am sure he would be a person to find a doll head and scare the shit out somebody. Damn Wisconsins'!
joshua_27 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:28:15 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Well, there is literally nothing else to do in Platteville. (lived there)
mirandamm ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:19:45 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, he mentioned the only thing to do was mischief.
jdhillmer ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 09:15:25 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Goddamn, growing up I remember walking out to a tree stand at 5am or so in the pitch black and thinking nothing of it, sometimes without a flashlight if the trail was a clear one. Then thoughts like this creep in...
Ma_Cy ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 20:18:04 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
That's seriously creepy looking...
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 21:08:31 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, scared the shit out of me. Damn hoverzoom...
Chucklebuck ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:47:41 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
It got me too.
inailedyoursister ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 03:39:46 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Trail cams have delays. It could have been set on one pic every 30 seconds or even a minute. It keeps you from getting a hundred pictures of the same doe who decides to stop in from of the camera and eat for a few minutes.
Walnut156 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:33:56 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Holy fucking shit that was terrifying
stephwithstars ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 23:05:40 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I just NOPE'D the fuck out of that link. Jesus.
jackielegs616 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:51:56 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
That loaded as soon as I clicked it and scared the absolute living bollocks out of me haha, was not expecting that
_Billy__Shears ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:44:40 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
That looks like the cover of a book
Montezum ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:31:32 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Why would someone install a 'trail cam'?
mcco8883 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:27:45 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Hunting is big in Oklahoma. Trail cams are useful for scoping out the animals that use game trails. If you look through the pictures and see an animal worth hunting, you'll now the animal uses that trail and its worth your time to sit out there.
Montezum ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:08:48 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Oh, i get it now! Thanks, friend
NefariousStray ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:56:18 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
To see deer and other wildlife.
Eeegle ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:11:48 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Looks like a blurry hand to me, like somebody walking past it waved their hand in front of it to set off the motion sensor.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:55:23 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
thats creepy
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:16:22 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
That's creepy as fuck
BIGxM1KE ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:45:31 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Looks like a cat to me.
tired_commuter ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 00:17:34 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
A cat? WTF?
Unless you accidentally mixed up the word cat and OMFGWTFISTHATSHITTHEBED then that's baffling.
CrazyGitar ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:21:56 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
That's exactly what I thought. A ginger/pale, very out-of-focus cat.
danrennt98 ยท 1772 points ยท Posted at 14:17:56 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)*
This photo taken in a Texas attic is pretty interesting to me: http://i.imgur.com/IOxw0UR.jpg
look at the left side by the bench
zerbey ยท 2270 points ยท Posted at 14:33:46 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
That's just dust that looks vaguely like a face and your brain is filling in the blanks.
Omnipotent_Goose ยท 1404 points ยท Posted at 14:46:55 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
The human brain does love to find faces in unexpected places. /r/Pareidolia
Man_Fred_Beardman ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 17:37:44 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I think most of these ghost pictures belong on that subreddit.
Lurking4Answers ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 21:51:09 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
On behalf of those at /r/Pareidolia, please DON'T do that.
GeneralGump ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:33:32 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
That place is only happy pictures.
[deleted] ยท 71 points ยท Posted at 14:53:27 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
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SeeYaLaterDylan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:20:34 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
If you have to use the term "regardless" it doesn't fit the bill of "most convincing" does it?
nhlcyclesophist ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:15:41 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
This is where this thread belongs.
reebee7 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:05:14 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
/the explanation to 90% of ghost sightings.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:41:08 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
That sub is not nearly as creepy as I was expecting it to be.
rodtang ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:46:33 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Is there a /r/CreepyPareidolia? There probably should be.
ThePantsThief ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:46:18 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
How is this sub so popular and I've never heard of it?
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:39:25 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
THERE'S A WORD FOR IT! One of my favorite lonely games is looking around the room making faces out of everything. There're always different levels of faces, too! Once you find a face in a stack of objects, there's always another small face hidden in the eye or nose. It's amazing!
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:42:39 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I can never remember what the hell that is called when I want to link that sub for someone. Tip of the hat to you...er...waterfowl.
jakeismyname505 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:17:48 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
That, combined with our other impeccable skill for making our own logical conclusions to fill in the blanks of things we don't understand, is pretty much the top reason for why we see so many things as supernatural.
elusive_one ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:40:22 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
subscribed
Roseysdaddy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:50:23 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
how do you pronounce that?
akashik ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:33:47 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Pareidolia (Link makes noise.)
The_Celtic_Alchemist ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:49:42 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Eyes, nose, lips, hairline, jawline and chin, right ear, v-neck, and shadowing of the right arm pit. All perfectly spaced for an thicker woman. Of all of the things on here, I'm surprised this one is receiving so much skepticism, especially against that :o faced ghost in this post.
Edit: not saying I buy it. I'm just surprised by when reddit draws the line sometimes.
spankymuffin ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:34:44 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
You can make a face out of anything if you focus on two points.
OminousNarwhal ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:33:38 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Except it looks exactly like a face and the "body" is differently colored only where a body should supposedly be.
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 14:59:29 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Wow I cannot believe there's a sub for that.
ChiefLikesCake ยท 333 points ยท Posted at 14:47:05 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
People are reeaaally good at seeing faces out of vague shapes. No reason to think it isnt a dust cloud or smudge on the lense considering there are other similar color non facially structured parts of the picture. http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pareidolia
TheJonMullins ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:28:14 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Like this face? http://i.imgur.com/EniW29f.jpg
ChiefLikesCake ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:32:45 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Ha ha I had no idea what to expect from that link but that picture is way creepier than most of the top replies in this thread and it's not even trying to pose as supernatural!
darkon ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:50:11 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Looks like an ostrich.
muchgreaterthanG_O_D ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:29:18 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I'm glad someone else said this
G8kpr ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:15:55 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
In psychology class there was this great example of this picture that looked like I was made of ink blots. But the face in the picture looked like Jesus.. Our teacher asked what we all saw, and most agreed that it was a make face, similar to that of Jesus. He showed us the original photo that was taken, of a man walking a dog. The photographer played with the contrast and such so that the shapes broke down into these blob shapes.
ChiefLikesCake ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:22:47 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Theres a great episode of Penn and Teller: Bullshit! That talks about this kind of thing. I believe it's the holy symbols episode in season three. Essentially people seeing what they want to see because they're subconsciously looking for it, then when they see it they get a rush that validates their belief that such appearances are meaningful. Not intending to bash religion here just saying that the Virgin Mary's likeness on a grilled cheese sandwich is not a gift from God =P
G8kpr ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:26:48 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Or Jesus in the door? Yeah I remember that, great episode.
ChiefLikesCake ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:30:47 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Ha ha that was so ridiculous I could not believe those people were serious.
Miroudias ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:19:27 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
TIL...
SimKe ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:33:31 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
In high school, i watched a documentary about a man, that had his "face recognition" brain center damaged and could not recognize people by looking at their face and had problems detecting emotions such as smiling etc.. He said, he saw a person move his lips and show his teeth, but had to intellectually put all the things he saw together and only then come to the conclusion that the person is smiling. All i want to say is, that we have a "face recognition" brain center and i suppose that's why we see faces in random places that are not really there.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:43:00 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Yep!
:)
UltravioIence ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:44:46 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
So that wasnt Jesus on my Cheeto? :(
LawfulKitten ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:23:29 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I keep forgetting I have the cloud to butt extension on.
borg_nihilist ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:34:32 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
looks like dusty cobwebs to me.
radiokungfu ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:38:22 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Dust butt???!
willplaykazooforfood ยท 33 points ยท Posted at 14:59:47 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Also, you ever notice how as the quality of cameras goes up the amount of ghosts and spirits found in them goes down? Inn't that wild?
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 17:31:26 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
http://xkcd.com/1235/
zerbey ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:01:48 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I'm actually hoping there will be some higher quality photos one day so we can finally see some proof one way or the other.
AwkwardTurtle ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 18:46:01 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
It's not really going to work like that. There will just be a decreasing amount of evidence for ghosts. You're never really going to find proof positive against the existence of ghosts.
Graendal ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:48:20 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Obviously ghosts are just technology-averse.
Grakmarr ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:40:13 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
They think we're being cocky. "Look at this shit, Casper! Didn't have this back then, did ya?"
chunkyks ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:28:10 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Relevant xkcd
warr2015 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:32:07 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
What if the type of EMR ghosts produce can only be picked up by the photo reactive process of 35mm film, and does not affect digital receptors? It would be interesting to see what kind of EMR causes the common color of ghosts we see in film. Perhaps that would bring us closer to understanding what it is, if any of them are real. I honestly think if ghosts are real, it's just a strong imprint in the area from the person's brain waves. Like leaving a mark in the dirt. Could also explain the reason ghosts are in desolate areas/environments, a less active environment could prevent interference from other peoples brainwaves scrambling the resonant signal. Maybe that's also why some haunted places stop being so haunted. I don't know. Just a thought.
CowFu ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 15:51:46 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
it has a collar, sleeve, and legs. It's not just dust, it's a burn in on the camera lens brought out by a dark background from a cheap camera. These types of pictures never happen on good cameras or digital because of the way the film moves over.
You can also see 2 other people that were standing with them to the left and right that weren't in the center so have less burn in.
Ever notice how ghosts are always off to the left in these types of photos? That's because the film moves to the next negative with the burn-in giving the second picture some of the first.
If we had the entire roll of film we'd see the picture before this one and say "ooooohh that's what it is". but by itself it looks creepy.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:29:44 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
a well defined face, hair, and an upper body too.
I'd suspect it was photoshopped in.
jazzcannibal ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:42:10 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Shh. You'll spoil it. That's what nearly all these posts are.
DarkRedLoveKnot ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 14:58:14 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, clearly dust. It even took me awhile to find the "ghost"
Zmodem ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:22:31 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Older cameras are often guilty of residual leftovers, as well. This could be natural malfunctioning or outright manipulation:
http://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2013/10/when-cameras-took-pictures-of-ghosts/281010/
In any case, great rebuttal :)
divinesleeper ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:01:44 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
So uh, what about the clear torso line that coincides with the bench and stones in the back? In fact, the lower side of her/his face kinda deforms the light planks in front of the dark planks.
Dust? If anything, it's clearly photoshop.
I_suck_at_mostthings ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:16:32 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
u think u know me?
RandomAccessMalady ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:49:06 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
No it's not. It's a spooky ghost.
GoodGood34 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:50:35 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Why can't people have fun in these kinds of threads? Every single picture on this post has multiple people saying that it's probably pareidolia or something else. Most people know it's probably not real but they come to these kinds of posts to have fun and suspend reality for even just a second. So many party poopers on this post..
greyjackal ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:57:49 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Yup, plus the proportions are wrong for it to be someone actually sitting there. Looking at it too hard probably doesn't help, but if you just glance, one can tell it looks "wrong".
Popcom ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:00:49 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
That's what 99% of this post is really.
gamerdonkey ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:35:32 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
And even without that, it has all the qualities of being double-exposed with another, out-of-focus image.
ScaryDesigns ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:47:12 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
That's exactly it. There is dust in the attic and you can see other patches of it. It just is face-like.
depricatedzero ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:54:52 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
my thought was that it looks just like a portrait photo in black and white that could have been shopped in with high transparency to blend with the dust
adrian5b ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:29:26 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
BUT WHY IS THE DUST SITTING IN THE BENCH??????
onemorefallenangel ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:30:42 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I love humans. They always see patterns in things that aren't there.
Alchoholocaustic ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:14:55 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
But I'm also seeing a torso with shirt details. I think it's more likely a photoshop than pareidolia.
Orange_Astronaut ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:30:51 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
that's pretty much every picture in this thread lol
UNSCNova ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:36:06 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
True. Look around the "face", and you can see other orbs of dust.
G8kpr ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:13:24 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
At least I man see why someone would say its a ghost. I thought it might be a double exposure...
A person on Facebook went on a 2nd honeymoon to some old hotel. She posts these photos showing "ghost orbs" and goes on and on about how she got to take pictures of ghosts, and it's amazing and blah blah blah. Not sure what was worse, her ridiculous notion that these reflections of her flash on dust particles are ghosts, or the 3 or 4 enablers who commented on how fascinating they were. I was the 4th or 5th commenter who finally called bullshit, and posted a wiki link to the very phenomena she was showing.
poopnuts ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:22:11 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Plus, based on the perspective, it looks the "ghost" wouldn't be sitting on the bench. It would be sitting in mid-air somewhere between the bench and the camera. Stupid ghost doesn't even know how to sit on benches.
chimerauprising ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:32:10 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
This comment could work on almost half of this thread.
relaxandenjoy ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:39:25 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
To me, if this is film, looks like some of the paper wasn't hit with developer for as long as the rest which, to me, screams that they were trying to get this effect. Or possibly it was an accident, as you can see two splotches to the top right of the face and one to the left.
IwannaMakeaUserName ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:55:42 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Are you serious
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:07:50 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
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zerbey ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:42:21 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Why not both? :) I actually get more satisfaction knowing there's a mundane explanation for these kind of things, I would LOVE for a real picture to show up some day, however.
[deleted] ยท 153 points ยท Posted at 14:21:11 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)*
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jamhandy ยท 272 points ยท Posted at 14:22:57 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Faint image of boy on bench at left.
WhiskeyMadeMeDoIt ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 15:28:57 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Looks like an older woman with curly hair (like a grandma style) to me.
DeathToPennies ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 15:20:37 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Looked a little like a woman to me.
typodaemon ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 15:35:27 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
This has given me a brilliantly devious idea. Paint a faint ghostly image split up among several surfaces like anamorphic art. Paint it light enough and on enough different surfaces so that walking around the room normally you won't even notice it. It'll just look like a slightly discolored area of wood. But from one specific angle it'll look like a ghost. Insist that people take photos from that angle.
[deleted] ยท 135 points ยท Posted at 14:49:18 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
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GhostDieM ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 15:56:03 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
It looks like an old lady to me :/
Nickelizm ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:27:14 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Definitely not seeing it.
metllicamilitia ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:19:00 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Boy? Looks more like a middle aged woman to me. But I digress, I find this to be matrixing (term used on the Ghost Hunters, there's another floating on here for the same thing). It's when your brain takes things and tries to make sense of them so you will see familiar things when they aren't there. Think Jesus in an oil stain.
Xenoxiduis ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:20:42 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I see a middle aged woman with her hair up looking directly at the camera
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:43:58 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Didn't notice anything until you pointed it out. Even then I still had to use my imagination to see it.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:00:15 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Oh...I was looking at that creepy ass wood man face in the bottom right.
AdonisChrist ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:03:26 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
oooh, thanks.
RavenousPonies ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:13:46 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Oh, I thought he was just bragging about his new attic. But seriously, thanks for pointing that out, I was staring at the picture for about 15 minutes.
Mugros ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:50:47 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Dust reflections that look like the image of a person.
HoeAssNigga ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:58:34 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
It looks like a girl to me.
Real_Muthaphukkin_Gs ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:33:16 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
HOLY SHIT!!! I SAW IT!!!
Ichbinzwei ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:45:56 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
a girl worth fighting for!
cutfrom ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:14:57 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Ghosts!
cutfrom ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:15:05 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
And UFOs
cutfrom ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:15:12 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
And Yetis
[deleted] ยท 268 points ยท Posted at 14:41:20 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
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Aeropro ยท 384 points ยท Posted at 14:59:30 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Is the moral of pareidolia that photographic evidence can not be trusted? Assuming what spirits are purported to be is true, photographic evidence can always either be written off as a hoax or pareidolia.
The reason that I am asking is because I once encountered a fellow who would photoshop a face into an image using photoshop and claim that it was a spirit. Many people came out and claimed it as pareidolia. Though the pictures weren't really genuine, it wasn't really pareidolia either
Lewstheryn ยท 42 points ยท Posted at 16:20:53 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I think this is an interesting point that is being ignored. I wonder how often we get in our little niches about how something must be just so we don't have to broaden our thinking any further.
NullCharacter ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 17:06:55 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
If there's one thing Reddit is good at, it's breaking out of their little niches to broaden their thinking/perspective. I mean, that's basically what Reddit is known for, right?
onrocketfalls ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:05:46 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
/s
[deleted] ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 16:38:24 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Considering there is no other evidence for ghosts other than pictures that have actual scientific explanations (photoshop, double exposures, and pareidolia), it's extremely likely that all pictures of ghosts are hoaxes.
Aeropro ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:13:24 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
There is witness testimony, EVP, EMF readings that coincide with with unusual occurrences. It's all circumstantial, I know, but photos aren't the only kind of evidence out there.
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 17:17:19 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
The sound recordings have never had any credibility whatsoever. Neither have EMF readings, seeing as random electromagnetic radiation can float around anywhere. Witness testimony is also not credible. True, my wording was off by saying no other evidence, especially since I immediately responded to myself by saying the pictures aren't evidence, either.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:00:35 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
If you dismiss all of the evidence for something, you're left with a lack of evidence. Especially if you categorically dismiss all evidence. I think it's fine to say "that photo is probably doctored" and "that eyewitness is not credible", with supporting reasoning. But when you dismiss entire categories of evidence as insufficient, you essentially a priori dismiss the phenomenon as non-existent.
I don't think you can credibly say both "there has never been evidence of a spirit" and "all evidence of spirits must be dismissed as not credible". You're just taking a position and asserting that it is true. It don't work.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:19:29 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Not all evidence, but all of the evidence I listed. There are always scientific explanations for EMF readings, EVP, and photographs. Witness testimony could be variant enough to be true in some cases, but out of millions of testimonies, not a single one has been substantial enough to prove the existence of ghosts.
Aeropro ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 18:17:19 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
For the sake of discussion, assuming that a spirit is a non-physical entity, which may or may not have sentience, how would we gather credible evidence about it if it is really there?
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 18:22:01 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
We can't. Just like we can't prove that there isn't a Flying Spaghetti Monster. The thing is, since there has never been evidence of a spirit, we have no reason to assume that we need to test for it. The absence of evidence against something isn't evidence for something.
Aeropro ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:57:50 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I think you're responding to a point that I'm not making. I'm not trying to burden you with proving that spirits don't exist. I know that it's impossible to prove a negative assertion, and that is why I believe that a rational person should not make negative assertions unless they have a mutually exclusive positive.
No matter how trite he is, I can't say that FSM does not exist without a mutually exclusive alternative.
My point is, however, to explore how one could gather evidence about something that by definition would be highly difficult to study via the scientific method if it, in fact, exists.
finite_turtles ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:56:18 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
More like vague blurs and smudges can't be trusted. If I look at a proper, in focus photo of people it's not like I have to wonder whether they are actually there or not.
Those_Who_Remain ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 15:48:45 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
What's more likely? For our brains to fill in the blanks...or for spirits to exist?
I feel Occam's Razor applies here. There are a lot less assumptions you need to make for the brain functions than for the existence of spirits.
HabseligkeitDerLiebe ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:52:10 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Even if there were spirits or ghosts why should they have human shape?
SloanStrife ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:56:42 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I think pareidolia is a psychological phenomenon describing our innate ability to construct meaningful images out of not just random patterns but also incomplete or vague images. We are very good at filling in the blanks.
So even if someone photoshops ghostly images into pictures, we are still utilizing our ability to fill in the missing information and see the 'ghost', even if the detail is sparse.
Aeropro ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:42:59 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
But what does that say about the phenomena at hand? It seems to me that pareidolia, on its own, can only be used to advocate that we suspend judgement, as opposed to saying what we are seeing is a purely psychological artifact.
In the case of the photoshopped pictures that I saw, many people dismissed them as pareidolia, when there was actually something 'unnatural' in the photo.
pppppatrick ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:18:31 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I would say dismissing it this easily is totally fine. As there is ever only 1 photograph of said ghost. You never see the same ghost twice, therefore pareidolia is the more likely and sensible judgement.
When you want to claim that something like a ghost exist, you need to have more extraordinary AND number of evidence.
SloanStrife ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:40:28 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
That is my point: Pareidolia doesn't have to come from a natural source - all it is describing is us and how we interpret things.
Everything we see are psychological artifacts (as what our eyes see have to be processed in the brain). Pareidolia simply addresses one of the misfirings in our brain's innate ability to see patterns whether they are meaningful or not (or natural or unnatural).
The moral is our senses are imperfect ways of discovering objective truth.
motdidr ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:56:11 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Photographs can't be trusted for so many more reasons, including development and exposure errors. Why would you think you can trust a photograph?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:09:39 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Not at all. The photograph records exactly what was there. It's us that can't be trusted.
Toddler_Souffle ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:42:59 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
The moral of pareidolia is that the human mind is predisposed to find faces and facelike objects in the world around us. While it is one way in which a photograph can appear to show a ghost, it certainly isn't the only way (like that guy who you mentioned photoshopped faces into things), and it can occur in non photographic instances, like if the front of a car looks like its smiling or something.
TheMadmanAndre ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:39:49 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
The three P's of photographic skepticism:
Paredolia.
Photoshop.
Poorly developed photograph.
DrCashew ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:17:05 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
It WAS pareidolia though, depending on how he changed it up. If he tried to blend it in at all our minds would be doing work at filling in blanks. Even for just normal facial recognition this can take place.
nhlcyclesophist ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:18:36 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Do you have a link to the picture? At the very least, the people claiming pareidolia were thinking critically when looking at it.
Aeropro ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:53:25 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
It was on the TAPS forum years ago, I don't think that I could find it again. Basically, the picture was of a park in the winter time, and in one of the bare trees you could see an 1800's man floating among the branches. He blended in really well, and it looked like he could have been a part of the tree.
They ended up identifying it as a nearly transparent photo of president Garfield, like the first one that pops up when you google image him.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:45:38 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Reddit as a whole is really good at learning about something and then attributing that to everything possible, even if upon further examination it was clearly wrong to do so. Pareidolia, logical fallacies, bystander effect, etc etc.
fuzzyglory ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:44:14 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I think pareidolia is just grasping at straws, a great example was made by my physics teacher in hs. There was the fire alarm and ac controller a few feet apart on the wall. Underneath on a table he laid a marker and asked if we saw the face, we all did. To me, that is pareidolia, drawing a smily face on the white bored is not, so the photo above this comment and a different photo from an above comment are great cases of pareidolia. This photo on the other hand is not
WTF_SilverChair ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 21:07:44 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Oh, I totally see the face of a lion in those markings on the wall!
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 23:43:22 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)*
It's more polite to blame it on our amped-up pattern detecting ability than to call someone a liar and a faker. If my friend showed me a picture like that I'd try to give them the benefit of the doubt unless it was super obvious, either from the image itself or by their behavior.
Drew-Pickles ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 14:59:57 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
It's not, if anything someone just superimposed a picture of a boy onto the photo
HookMn ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:51:07 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
/r/pareidolia
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:29:13 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
You're right. This accounts for so many of these photos - we're desperate to see the people/ghost in the photos.
Except for the Grand Canyon one; that's obviously a murderer picking the wrong moment.
(I wonder if anyone 'accidentally' fell to their deaths in the GC around that time?)
BrotherDamascus ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:44:09 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Does this have to be a comment on every photo posted in this thread?
SamWilber ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:00:58 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
/thread
MrXhin ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:26:58 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
How do you pronounce "pareidolia."
LadyAngOfPoots ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 15:16:55 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I would like to impress my peers. How does one pronounce pareidolia?
Viral_Krieger ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:49:02 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Why would you post a question on Reddit and wait for an answer when Google will answer you instantly?
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:07:26 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Ask any of the nerds posting it on here, every few seconds.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 23:47:01 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Here's a fun pareidolia experiment: At night, find a tree with a street light behind it. Look real hard at the gaps in the leaves and the branches, and slowly move around the tree, changing the angles of the gaps. If you're like me (crazy maybe?) you'll be able to start picking out letters and sometimes words.
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slver6 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:17:15 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
These red cicles will kill us all
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:21:50 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
obligatory xkcd comic
Adderex ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:18:55 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
You know I actually prefer this one
MotherFuckerJohns ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:24:54 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
you made my day :)
ross0927 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:31:59 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
i like what you did there
420kbps ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:27:47 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
even with a Serious tag people still manage to shitpost
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InsertStickIntoAnus ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:09:15 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Wrong. Ghost attic.
themeatbridge ยท 53 points ยท Posted at 14:50:12 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Besides all the other plausible explanations, it may also have been a double exposure.
Anzai ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:23:40 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
It doesn't need to be. It's only vaguely in the shape of a face, as are a hell of a lot of things in the world, especially when you have a brain evolved to seek them out.
themeatbridge ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:57:27 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah that is equally plausible. I'm just saying that even if there actually is an image there, there is still a natural explanation for it.
FWIW it looks to me like a double exposure because the definition in the area of the "face" is fuzzier than the rest of the image. There are also a couple of light spots that don't correspond with any objects in the photo. But I'm no expert, and it really doesn't matter because ghosts, aliens and skunks ape are not real.
Casumarzu ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:26:59 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
It keeps getting mentioned so I'll ask: what's double exposure? Is it when a photo is taken after another and the first image remains?
themeatbridge ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:34:49 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Old school film cameras expose one part of the light-sensitive film at a time, before advancing the roll to the next section of film. Sometimes cameras, especially older ones, malfunction and fail to advance the film. This leads to the same section of film being exposed twice. For most pictures, the second image is going to be bright enough to completely wipe out and replace the first image. But with darker photos, some of the original image may still show through.
Sometimes photographers do this intentionally for that specific effect.
Casumarzu ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:00:52 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Thank you! Very clear and concise.
Davincichodes ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 15:13:57 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
meh, creepy photo, but could be a million explanations for it. What I don't understand is why are photos of ghosts always taken in places we think are "spooky", and/or they always seem to be hiding? Why don't we see ghosts in photos everywhere? Why do ghosts always seem to hide in basements or attics? Like, if that is the ghost of someones old grandma, why is she hiding next to a bench in the attic and not chillin on the back porch taking in the sun?
xdogbertx ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:49:30 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
This isn't convincing in the slightest.
rjlupin86 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 14:44:20 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
This one is pretty easily explained by http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pareidolia
CoZmiC_RevamP ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:38:39 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Actually it can't. Neither can it be explained to be supernatural. Perhaps it's an illusion, but you can't be sure and it's that unsureness and mystery that makes these so cool.
ThreeEyedMilfMonkey ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:03:14 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I can actually make out a face and shoulders.
Didalectic ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:16:05 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Brains try to make faces out of everything(Jesus in coffee, mountains on mars) it is a well studied and recorded phenomona. Nothing supernatural here.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:16:20 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Looks like Thatcher's ghost.
Thefelix01 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:17:22 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe pareidolia like others are suggesting, but I think you can make out clothes etc too, so IMO more likely double exposure or similar. You got that a lot on older cameras by accident.
Randy_McCock ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:18:54 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Thought I had a smudge on my phone screen
megustadotjpg ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:20:21 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Thank god this wasn't a gif.
Shadax ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:20:42 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
He said "convincing."
jleonardbc ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:20:50 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I think it helps to look at the picture upside downโless likely to see it as a face.
frogma ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:18:59 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Yep. Also if you zoom in as far as you can, it no longer looks like a face at all, and you can also see other "smudges" in the room that look pretty much identical to the "eyes." It's just a coincidence that those smudges resemble a face, and really only when zoomed-out.
funk_monk ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:32:05 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Could that not just be a simple double exposure?
OuchLOLcom ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:33:52 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Why do ghosts always need t hang out in creepy places? How come no ghost ever haunts the Wynn or a strip club?
blue-yoshi ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:36:15 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Pepper's ghost illusion?
People have been making "trick" pictures long before photoshop.
cheesecrazy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:36:37 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Oh, wow. A picture of several motes of dust, compressed, recompressed, and recompressed. I thought OP had asked for serious replies only?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:37:33 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Looks like a boy sitting on the bench with his arms up
brianberns ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:38:20 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
If this is among the most convincing photos of the supernatural, I think that's pretty good evidence that there is no such thing as supernatural.
Obieousmaximus ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:49:22 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I think this is one of those pictures that was just perfect. I flipped the image sideways, zoomed in and lightened up a bit. You can see how the knots, in the beams, lined up perfectly with the discoloration in the other beams.http://i.imgur.com/yyit6Ju.jpg
KaptainMitch ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:16:47 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Photoshop wizards, please! Add shiny eyes to this to make it less(or more) creepy!
GOODLOOKINGTODD ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:00:29 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
that looks like the type of place ghosts would hang out at
frolix8 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:01:40 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Why is it always on the left?
toxicspur ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:32:26 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I'm glad you directed to the left. I was initially fixated on the three-eyed calf's head at the top-center in the back.
animelz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:47:23 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
That attic is awesome.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:00:37 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Am I the only one that can make out a suit jacket and a victorian neck tie?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:04:31 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
It also looks like it's being haunted by that dog from Taco Bell. Check out the wall, in the center at the top.
AustinQ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:21:38 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
That looks like Albert Einstein.
snakeoil-huckster ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:31:45 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I see Einstein
d_zed ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:33:33 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
The face is an artifact caused by exposing in low light and the semicircle that looks like the figure's chest is where the roof joist meets the floor of the attic. Not to be a bad sport but this one was much more obvious than other posts.
NickStricklin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:57:37 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
"Take apart the demon in the attic to the left"
The_John_Deere ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:38:15 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
It looks like Bilbo Baggins to me.
DevsiK ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:25:02 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Thats just mice
TheMadmanAndre ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:38:26 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
It's either paredolia or poorly developed.
Varaug ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:30:08 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)*
... what am I supposed to be seeing?
EDIT: Got it, thanks people.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:58:18 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
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Varaug ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:09:18 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
That's not the entrance?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:10:25 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
You can see a little girl sitting on the bench.
Varaug ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:13:37 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Holy crap. It's so obvious now, din't know why I didn't catch that the first time. Thanks.
DeadCannon1001 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:19:21 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Dust spot that looks like a face above the bench.
mort96 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 14:47:41 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
have camera on tripod, take one image with nothing there, have boy sit on bench, take second picture, use any image manipulation program to put the second picture over the first one and add some transparency... What's so convincing about this picture in particular?
Soccadude123 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:33:44 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
But it could have been easily shopped in
pyalot ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:47:50 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Or somebody went trough the painstaking efford to make a faint inverse perspective painting there, photo isn't really compelling.
Apellosine ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:56:43 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
That doesn't look like a double exposure at all...
kellaay ยท 62 points ยท Posted at 17:12:54 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)*
This is a picture I took with a digital camera while my friend and I were hiking in NH. Back then I posted it on a forum that was meant for analyzing "supernatural" artifacts in photos, and it was immediately dismissed as a photoshopping job and my account was banned. I never did get any answers, and I even checked every photo I had ever taken with the camera to verify the "face" wasn't just a portion of another picture. Even if it was, that's a pretty specific section of pixels to randomly copy to another picture (unless anyone can explain this with facial recognition focus or something). http://i.imgur.com/M7F7hzn.jpg
Edit: The guy in the top right is supposed to be there; he was hiking with us but I didn't know him well so I forgot to mention him. Boyfriend of the sister of my friend. Also, I did post the original photo to that forum because in looking for a place to post it, I saw that this forum looked deeply into details like EXIF data. Since I never photoshopped it, I don't know what they could have seen in the EXIF data to immediately dismiss it.
Edit #2: I think this upload preserved the original EXIF data: http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2810/11378610824_a8e403e970_o.jpg (And here's the photo open in an online EXIF viewer: http://regex.info/exif.cgi?dummy=on&imgurl=http%3A%2F%2Ffarm3.staticflickr.com%2F2810%2F11378610824_a8e403e970_o.jpg)
iveroi ยท 39 points ยท Posted at 19:15:42 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
"My friend and I"
....THEN WHY IS THERE THIRD (fourth?) PERSON STANDING ON THE CLIFF?
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 19:49:27 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Didn't even see him. He looks super creepy.
borg_nihilist ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 20:47:00 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
he looks pissed. they were fucking in the bushes when these 2 come climbing up the cliff. he's pissed and got his pants up quick, she's freaking out because she can't find her panties and he's running off leaving her there.
PlaceboBunny ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 22:02:22 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)*
I must be blind to these things, I can only see the girl. Could you be a bro and point out the guy?
Edit: someone gave me gold for being confused. Thanks, stranger!
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:05:07 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
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PlaceboBunny ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 22:11:13 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Oh dear god, I jumped so bad. I don't know why I'm looking at this home alone.
Thank you.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 23:07:31 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I still can't see the supposed person in the top right.
Edit: Unless its the guy in the white tee. He looks like he is supposed to be there though.
elastic-craptastic ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:30:10 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
That's hat they're talking about. OP said "my friend and I" and never implied there was another person there. So you have the ghost face lady and others pointing out the stern looking dude in the white shirt.
My brain sees a weird grey face just to the left of the floating woman's face. It's got a teeth exposed grin(?) or expression.
ccruner13 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:07:58 on December 17, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Creepy as hell. I see it too.
ForteShadesOfJay ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:23:24 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Haha same. All my lights are now on but I didn't plan for people in white Ts. I'll have to turn off half.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:28:48 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)*
Is like the top of the cliff. More towards the right. Where the cliff meets the sky
EDIT: thanks for the gold kind stranger :)
kellaay ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:00:38 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Sorry, forgot to mention him but he's not a ghost.
Dr_fish ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:20:25 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Are you sure? Ghosts are known to often be in denial about their own ghostness. Have you tried walking through him?
Amelora ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:06:34 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Is the guy in the white shirt not supposed to be there?
marlovious ยท 40 points ยท Posted at 19:42:32 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Looks like Roseanna Bar singing the national anthem.
kellaay ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:09:51 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
My brother said it looks like Roseanne too!
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 02:16:55 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Roseanne is a nature spirit it seems.
reden ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 21:55:45 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I want to know who is this guy:
http://i.imgur.com/5ULtYXu.jpg
S_Nickels ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 22:36:08 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Thats just bigfoot. We're talking about the ladys face. Please keep on topic.
kellaay ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:12:11 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, people have pointed that out too, saying it looks like a skull. My sister thinks she sees the flying monkeys from The Wizard of Oz to the left/downward of the face, swords at the ready.
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HellionessDW ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:47:55 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I noticed the girl but not the guy on the top right. Had to go back and look again.
hoikarnage ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 19:05:55 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Cool pic. I am surprised you were banned. Usually those kinds of sites will accept even the most obvious photoshops. Maybe you posted a pic with the original data still attached, and they saw that it had been altered? It's a rookie mistake.
kellaay ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:14:30 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I sincerely promise I didn't alter the photo. I remember feeling desperate for someone to take it seriously because I was so creeped out and wanted answers (maybe from a camera technology wiz or something), and all I got on the forum was people accusing me of photoshopping it. It was frustrating.
elastic-craptastic ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:31:34 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Is the guy in the top right with you 2 as well? Or is he not supposed o be there either.
Choralone ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:44:22 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
So is that the original photo? If not, can you provide it?
kellaay ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:37:51 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I think this has it (?). Not really sure what I'm doing here, but I think Flickr preserved it in this upload: http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2810/11378610824_a8e403e970_o.jpg
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:48:19 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
It's at 70% compression, so no that can't be the original
hooty88 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:59:21 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Upvotes to NH Hikers
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INCOMPLETE_USERNAM ยท 258 points ยท Posted at 15:58:13 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I don't believe in the supernatural, but the usual and very plausible explanation is the relatively tiny area of the spectrum of light we can actually see with our naked eyes. Take a tv remote, open up your phone camera, point it at the lense and press a button. You can't see the infrared light, but the camera can.
ellaeaea ยท 296 points ยท Posted at 17:13:43 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
That's awesome I just tried it http://imgur.com/h64JzD9
BrazilCarge ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 18:27:09 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Heh. That's how we test if an infrared LED is working in labs. But it has to be done with a cellphone grade camera. Our professor told us that using a high quality camera will miss the light.
mrbrambles ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 22:51:51 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
high grade cameras have quality IR filters
BrazilCarge ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:53:42 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I see... does this prevent red-eyes? Or am I being stupid?
Kromgar ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 02:06:37 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Red eye isn't caused by infra-red its caused by demonic possession.
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 17:14:56 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Holy shit, your remote looks creepy!
Wombat_H ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 17:27:59 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
It looks like GLaDOS.
thisismyivorytower ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 17:40:58 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Is this a triumph?
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:38:29 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
When do we get cake?
toofine89 ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 20:08:49 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I'm making a note here, huge success.
thisismyivorytower ยท -6 points ยท Posted at 20:19:04 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Hmm, it's quite hard to overstate my satisfaction.
ellaeaea ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 17:18:55 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Really? Its just an ac remote http://imgur.com/mBJxc5J
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:56:10 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
It was tongue-in-cheek. :)
ellaeaea ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:21:03 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Lol I was just waking up
Balony1 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 05:52:14 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Thanks, I thought I was gonna get up for a second their
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:36:42 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
You know what's even more fun? If you have a mac, use photo booth in a dark room and put a remote up to your face. It will illuminate your face in the picture.
ipaqmaster ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:40:40 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Heheh, I was really hoping you would photoshop a spooky clipart ghost in or something
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:51:19 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Huh. I always assumed that infrared was actually red.
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Tanshinmatsudai ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:26:25 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
RF goggles would be cool.
IanMazgelis ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:00:36 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
This was actually mentioned in Superman.
When Luthor gained all of Superman's powers, he gained perception of the entire electromagnetic spectrum. Like a camera, he could perceive "Spirits" and "Ghosts" that others couldn't, which meant that he could see souls. Which is why Superman is so good. He can see within all of us.
ScaryDesigns ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:50:06 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
That actually doesn't account for it. Cameras have IR filters that are mostly effective unless you put an IR source there, and IR will appear all as one color (ie. it is a single channel). The human eye has receptors that are chemical, the camera uses photo traps, but essentially they both capture photons (ie. eletromagnetic waves of particular frequencies).
When you see a multicolor "overlay' of a ghost person, it isn't IR light.
INCOMPLETE_USERNAM ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:14:11 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)*
I really just meant to answer the question of how cameras can see things people can't, so it was just an example.
ScaryDesigns ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:17:44 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Fair enough, I was just trying to avoid people thinking that all ghosts are attributable to IR light that we can't see and thus it's "ok" that they are real on that basis. I think we are on the same page :)
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 17:32:34 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
You can also do this by getting two iphones (I usually use a friends) and turning the video camera on with one of the iphones and point the video at the front speaker of the other iphone, the little infrared light is blinking constantly on iphones, it tries to detect your face to turn the screen off when talking, however you cannot see it blinking with your eyes.
Channel250 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:43:06 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Wanna have some real fun, get one of those cheap toy night vision cameras (like what came with call of duty once, and wear them around a kinect.
QingQangQong ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:28:34 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Sadly this is becoming less common in phones.
GammaGames ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:41:03 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
The wii sensor bar did this too, i thought it was cool.
avo_cado ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:09:14 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
If people could see the same range they could hear, you could see x-rays
MisterDonkey ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:10:49 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
A fun fact that not a lot of people know or even care to think about is the Wii remote.
It is a camera that picks up only IR light, sensing up to four individual points of light at once.
The "sensor bar" is nothing more than two IR lights identical to the one on your TV remote. It can be replaced by anything that produces two points of IR light, like a couple of candles.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:14:31 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
holy shit i just tried it, thats awesome. http://i.imgur.com/HfN6DK5.jpg
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 17:49:27 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
This only applies to digital cameras, so you can rule out every ghost photo ever taken before those were invented.
Also, remote control light is infrared. If the reasoning is that digital cameras can see ghosts because they can see remote control light, then that would mean ghosts are visible in the infrared band, which would make it trivial for us to see them.
If, on the other hand, the reasoning is that "it's not a stretch" to assume that digital cameras can see an undefined "more" than we can because they can see infrared, so who knows what else they can see, right? Well, the simple fact is that manufacturers know exactly the optical range of their products, and it would be, again, trivial to manufacture ghost-recording gadgets.
It's just bullshit.
Nebez ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 17:54:06 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
You're a little upset...
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 17:56:28 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
wat
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darthvaderismyhomie ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:19:04 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
They are unflinchingly rigid.
CabbageFarm ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:58:06 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Goddamn Ghost-Obama. Ruining the afterlife.
[deleted] ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 16:05:45 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
They were too busy paying attention to whatever they were actually taking pictures of. Your brain kind of fills in most of your visual space with what it thinks should be there. Your brain usually wouldn't tell you that there's a ghost in the trees if you're taking a picture of your daughter, since it's just filling in what's logically there, not what's actually there.
RyanTG ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 16:20:19 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Everything you mention can just be put down to pareidolia.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:38:39 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not saying that it's not pareidolia. I'm explaining why they didn't notice whatever is in the background. Rephrased, your brain probably wouldn't notice a shadow or dust cloud while you're taking a picture of your daughter, but you notice it in the developed picture because you're looking at the whole thing. And then those dust clouds/etc can be chalked up to pareidolia.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:41:13 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
This is my theory. I also think of the time where if our eyes see something we cant explain our brain filters it out. I was watching something saying that when Columbus first came to the Americas, the native Americans didnt originally notice his ship on the horizon. They only noticed the ship when it finally anchored off the shore.
Mugros ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:44:36 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
See what?
There are many reasons why things looks different when seen in a picture. One reason is that a picture is only in 2D. So you lose all 3D information and then in a picture some things look like they are in one plane even though they aren't. E.g. you could see a face in some branches in a picture, but looking at the scene with your own eyes, you would never see them.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:40:52 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Probably because it isn't real.
scoobs ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:14:38 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Cameras "see" things differently than we do. They are also subject to a different set of variables that can affect the outcome of the shot. The degree of human involvement between taking the photo and you seeing it also leaves a big risk of human manipulation. That being said, I've often been looking for things which turned out to be right in front of my eyes. Haven't you?
DankPanties ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:16:45 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
http://www.geopolitics.us/6-surprising-facts-about-perception/
deathlokke ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:23:53 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Generally it's because of a defect in the camera. Things like lights reflecting off an interior lens, dirt or some other substance on the outside, things of that nature. Another possibility is double exposure, especially in the case of a phantom figure. It's not actually there, the person just happened to be in the same spot in a previous picture and happened to be transferred to the new one (much less common with digital media, but still possible).
elitexero ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:24:13 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Because the photos are fabricated?
wilso10684 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:59:07 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Assuming for the moment that these phenomenon are real, one possible explanation is that our brain actively filters out information collected by the eyes that it either cannot comprehend or deems unnecessary to process. We naturally see much more information than our brain can process, so it has to pick and choose what information to filter out. All this happens at an subconscious level and there are many mind games out there that take advantage of this to fool or confuse our brain. But when we take a picture, everything within the visible spectrum is recorded, including things we may not have noticed or "seen" at the time. A good example of this is high speed photography and video. There are so many cool things that happen during seemingly mundane events, but they happen too fast for our brain to process them, so that information is simply discarded.
TL;DR: we really do see this stuff (if it exists) with our eyes, but our brains filter out what it can't comprehend.
Anticreativity ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:35:56 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Camera lenses are made of the same magical material that makes up the eyes of house pets, children and other things that can obviously see ghosts.
TheMadmanAndre ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:12:25 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
To ELI5:
The human eye is capable of only perceiving a very narrow portion of the electromagnetic spectrum. To understand just how tiny this portion is, refer to this image. However, some analog and digital cameras, if they lack those filters for whatever reason, can perceive infrared and ultraviolet wavelengths.
You can test this by aiming a television remote at the camera on, say your digital camera or smartphone and pressing buttons; odds are you'll see the light on your camera/phone's screen from the remote but not with your eye.
64_hit_combo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:10:24 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Sometimes things could slip your vision and you'll notice it when going over the second again in detail.
Also because cameras work differently than the human eye.
abigblacknob ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:21:21 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
people see in 3d and those images are manipulated when transferred to 2d
Xtinguish ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:22:22 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Because technology has allowed us to understand so much more about the world around us, people assume it can confirm their preconceived notions (except for astrologers, they're all sorts of tribal).
icanseestars ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:24:10 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
See what? Most ghost photos are manipulated or accidental mis-developed film.
Modern digital cameras come with a whole new host of artifacting and analogies simply by how they capture images (like ghost orbs and flying rods).
ImSuperSerialYouGuys ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:59:58 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I guess not
mikefromcanmore ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:10:05 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Cameras have an expanded light sensitivity range compared to humans. But they are also subject to dust on the lens and internal lens reflections between elements. Those reflections apply to cheap lenses and to light beyond the visible range, which a camera lens would be calibrated for. One more different would be the ability to easily double expose film, creating ghosting; it's also worth noting how easy it is to do accidentally on older cameras or if you're not paying attention.
Gridleak ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:11:36 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Because as humans, we like to focus on one item or person most of the time. Say I take a photo of you, which you look lovely today. I bring the camera up to my eye and through the viewfinder I'm looking at, you. I make sure the camera is focused, on you. Everything in my head is making sure the picture being set up and any settings or how the picture is framed revolves around you.
Now the camera is impartial to this. It has limited outside understanding of what exactly I'm wanting to capture. While I'm focused on you - typically in the center of the photo. The camera is still sensing everything else in the frame. When I take the photo we both look at how good you look in it. We might go over a few details of the framing of the photo but we're not going to comb through it with a fine tooth comb.
But the camera took a photo of everything. Any dust that might have floated onto the lens. The thousands of leaves and blades of grass, frozen, in almost an instant. The reflection of light in a raccoons eyes that is easy miss but upon further examination of the photo - insanely creepy to come across the first time.
TLDR: humans tend to overlook things, cameras don't really have that problem.
DarkStar5758 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:47:09 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
When you are taking a picture are you looking at the subject or are you searching the background?
capnwinky ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:54:35 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe while they're at it they can explain to you how flir thermal and night vision work as well.
Curri ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:21:04 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Our eyes can't see a vast majority of the light spectrum. You know the tiny light bulb at the edge of a remote? Look at it through a camera (smartphone would be better), and press a button. Viola! Light.
dotMJEG ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:38:17 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
cameras always pick up on nuances or wavelenghts of light that our eyes cannot detect. Both film and sensors rely on digital/ electronic or silver nitrate particles to detect and record the light that hits the image plane. Any and all of the technologies used to capture light are merely ways to record it, not ways of reproducing what we see. Most digital cameras are sensitive to all sorts of colors and wavelengths invisible to us (from IR to UV) and are indescriminant to what they actually record (hence why we put UV filters on our lenses and why there are microscopic IR coatings on CCD and CMOS censors. Film is a little more discriminatory as to what it picks up, as silver nitrate can only pick up so many wavelengths (but via dyes and coatings that are layered) it is less sensitive to all sorts of wavelengths (hence specialized x-ray, IR, and color films).
What you are referring to I imagine is more in the digital realm, where the sensors are more often than not designed to be as sensitive as possible to every wavelength (as they are used for all sorts of imaging from the everyday spectrum for consumers, to advanced CCDs for astrophotography and customized dslr sensors for IR photography). A lot of astrophotography (especially color images) are actually false-color composites (particularly the more extravagant and saturated ones) where special red, blue, green, ir, and or h-alpha filters are used in imaging and then, in a program, are layered and dubbed the appropriate or corresponding colors.
I could go on and on, but i do realize your comment refers more toward "unexplainable phenomena" such as paranormal events. Perhaps these reasons above are why this may be "possible". But all the above is true for everyday imaging too, if you took a picture of lava or magma (even molten aluminum or of a crucible containing such) it will pick up magnificent pinks and oranges and purples where we only see a slight glowing red.
TL;DR -- Cameras are sensitized to all sorts of energy wavelengths that our eyes are not, and operate nothing like the human eye; particularly in the digital age.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:40:53 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Yes! It's because a photo has pixels and grains and images aren't perfectly clear, so occasionally you get smudges or pixelated spots that sort of resemble a face. When a cameras flash lights up an area, dust, smoke, fog, or other small particles in from of the camera reflect distorted light back at it, which people like to interpret as ghosts/spirits/whatever. The human brain is hard wired to recognize faces and other human body parts, and it's so good at it that it sees them even when there's nothing there.
CaptainToker ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 16:32:26 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)*
Ultraviolets. Try an experiment and you'll see.
When pressing a button in your remote on tv, you don't see the little bubble in plastic/glass in the front of the remote(that every remote have) flash or anything else. Now try seeing it but with a camera(your phone cam work), you will see an ultraviolet flash on the front of the remote.
Maybe ultraviolets are the energy source or something of these supernatural ghosts? It is a supposition i just guessed right now.
JellyfishPies ยท 70 points ยท Posted at 17:07:36 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
The Gnome Sighting of Argentina. A couple of friends hanging out, filming themselves with one of their flip-phones, when, what appears to be, a gnome walks by the path in front of them. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=81OwP7RJ3BI
RedManStrat89 ยท 64 points ยท Posted at 19:09:39 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Gnomes, the dorkiest of all paranormal beliefs.
pantsfactory ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 23:15:31 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
iirc, in south America there's a much more negative connotation with the "duende" than here. They're like little fucking demons that will skitter after you from the darkness.
hoikarnage ยท 32 points ยท Posted at 18:37:30 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Looks like someone stuck a monkey in a suit and stuffed sticks down the pant legs to get it to walk upright, which is why it appears to be dragging it's leg.
DreamStealer ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 05:25:07 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
But who the hell says "Guys! Wanna stick a monkey in a suit and stuff sticks in his pants?"
beepborpimajorp ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 22:26:10 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah that's definitely a monkey. At one point you can see it turn its head and you can clearly see a monkey face.
tired_commuter ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 00:21:57 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
No you can't, with the resolution being approximately 16 x 8, you can't clearly see anything.
[deleted] ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 21:34:22 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
the most surprising thing is not that gnomes exist, it's that they wouldn't be caught dead without their pointy hats
edit: i guess it's the defining point of gnome vs little person
figglyy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:59:14 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
its becAUSE it makes them look taller
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 20:07:20 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Were they stealing under pants?
jokersmild ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 18:49:48 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Totally not a midget in a pointy hat.
yanney33 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 19:08:43 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Cholo gnome
ambeecee ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:39:35 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
It sidesteps!!! AHHH!
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gnomebuster ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:17:58 on December 16, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
This is relevant to my interests.
[deleted] ยท -6 points ยท Posted at 22:42:58 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
How can it be a gnome when gnomes don't actually exist, you idiots???
Clearly it's just a Victorian-era clown doll. And it only appears to be dancing around like that because it's possessed by a demon.
Nexes ยท -7 points ยท Posted at 23:34:40 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)*
Half the things in this thread may not exist, so what?
EDIT: I am a fucking idiot, pay no attention.
[deleted] ยท -8 points ยท Posted at 01:29:13 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I'm making a joke.
It's kind of a sophisticated joke, so you may have missed it.
I say that gnomes don't exist, but then I go on to say that demon possessed dolls do exist.
It's called irony.
Have a nice night.
Nexes ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:55:27 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
oh shit dude I'm sorry. I'm just stupid :/ Pay no attention to me.
bizboy2000 ยท 78 points ยท Posted at 15:47:51 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
This is pretty unnatural: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=072oMtT8nnI
(1:50 for the best pretty unnatural part)
infinitecharge ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 20:40:06 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
If you saw someone like David Copperfield do this, you wouldn't think twice about it. I guess it's the story behind this that makes it seem more supernatural.
[deleted] ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 19:06:56 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Has this been studied more?
RedofPaw ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 20:31:14 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Looks like a fraud to me. You can generate all these 'effects' with trickery.
DrStephenFalken ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:55:45 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Some simple flash paper (available online or in magic shops.) and some friction like being rubbed on the ground. Can cause it to ignite thus recreating this trick fairly easily.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:21:38 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Just because you can, doesn't mean it was.
RedofPaw ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 22:47:38 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Well, either it's a fraud, or the guy has MAGICAL POWERS.
Considering the many thousands of exposed frauds and literally zero confirmed people who can MAGICALLY do things with MAGIC POWERS... I'm going to err on the side of cynicism with this one.
Truth_ ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:00:17 on December 16, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
There have been monks that have been scientifically analyzed and found to have "magic powers" such as being able to extremely regulate their heart and body heat, so much as to be able to make a wet towel steam on their back or in their hand.
Not quite like setting paper alight, but it still proves that such seemingly magical things are possible... and thus not magic.
nofx1978 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:53:39 on December 16, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
This. I saw this on some special. It was part of their training. They had to go up a snow covered mountain in nothing but their underwear and a wet sheet and spend the night. They had cameras on them the whole time. The next morning the sheets were completely dry and they were perfectly fine. I remember, I went out the next night a bought a book on Tai Chi. Fascinating stuff.
Truth_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:11:09 on December 16, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Well the body definitely generates enough heat to dry the sheet over time, even in cold weather. But I suppose surviving that night naked is a bit different.
nofx1978 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:22:47 on December 16, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I also saw a show about a man who was registered as a lethal weapon as he was able to throw something as simple as a toothpick through plate glass. He also attributed his abilities to Tai Chi. They had his showed him actually doing it and showed it in super slo-mo so you could see the the toothpick go right thru the glass. It was nuts. I believe the video is on You Tube.
RedofPaw ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:38:30 on December 16, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Citation?
Truth_ ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:10:06 on December 16, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I cannot find the article currently. I believe the testing was done at the University of Wisconsin - Madison.
What did come up was a low-quality YouTube video which had testing at Harvard instead. I'd like to find the UW article (and/or paper), however.
RedofPaw ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:12:07 on December 16, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
There's a couple of points here.
-The History Channel. Home of Ancient Aliens. They regularly air documentaries about bullshit.
-The premise appears to be that meditation can 'dry a mummy out' or something. However, the 'mystery' of the mummy and the apparent 'feats' of the meditiation monks are two seperate things.
-They say the monks can make the sheets steam, but don't show it.
-They show a decrease in oxygen intake, however pretty much anyone can do this - the meditating monk merely does it at an apparently higher level. More impressive are deep divers who can hold their breath far longer than an average person is able - but these are not magic.
-There is no evidence on show of ANYTHING out of the ordinary.
-Let's assume it is incredible and out of the ordinary and impressive. The monks themselves are seen undertaking scientific tests. Where are the results? Where is the peer reviewed study? Where is the evidence that this IS out of the ordinary.
-EVEN if they can warm their bodies a bit, this is FAR from setting stuff on fire with their mind or the other purported 'powers' the guy in OPs submission claimed.
Thexer0 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 23:01:24 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
The most suspicious aspect of the video is how careful he is with the newspaper when he is balling it up and placing it on the ground. It's as if he doesn't want to disturb whatever it is within the paper that actually creates the ignition. If I could really do this I would just ball up an entire newspaper with out reservation and then set it on fire.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 23:36:29 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I build a fire every night. I start the fire with paper. I crumple the paper in the same as as this guy because it burns much better that way than if it is flat. What you are pointing out is not suspicious in the least. It's just the best way to get some paper to fully ignite.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:34:21 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
You call it magical because you have been told by others that it's impossible. And you believe this without having investigated the subject for yourself. And the people who told you this also haven't investigated it for themselves. The people who HAVE investigated it for themselves are the ones who say that this stuff does exist. And they are immediately discounted by those who don't believe it exists because they were told it is impossible.
And round and round it goes.
JotainPinkki ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 23:38:49 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I'm pretty sure that's the exact opposite of what happens.
And so, James Randi's prize still remains unclaimed.
[deleted] ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 01:27:39 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
James Randi is a fraud. If you were 1/100 as skeptical of him as you are of the supernatural, you would have discovered this by now.
But you're not the least bit skeptical of him because he confirms your beliefs for you. Because he's telling you what you already believe, you assume he's right.
I read a study years ago that showed that scientists who look into the UFO phenomenon tend to become more interested in it rather than less interested. Go figure.
JotainPinkki ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:32:45 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
lol.
[deleted] ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 01:45:48 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
And now you laugh dismissively... A good example of the very common strategy used by skeptics when discussing this subject: when my arguments and logic fail me, just ridicule them.
Have a nice night, friend.
JotainPinkki ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:04:10 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I don't know why I'm bothering, but fine.
I used to think that we just can't know, and was open to the possibilities of ghosts etc. to the point of WANTING to believe. So I looked into things.
For years. I looked hard. And not a single thing I've ever found or experienced or had relayed to me didn't have a simple and rational explanation. It always does. Always.
That anything is ghosts or paranormal is always such a wild leap of "logic". Why wouldn't you consider the more likely things first? No, it's got to be something paranormal, and someone being a sceptic is them being close-minded. Even if the explanation were something like that, still why on earth would that be the first assumption and the conclusion to stubbornly cling to? It's bizarre.
And, typically, you have to claim "fraud" about someone who debunks this stuff.
Yeah, it is definitely my logic and argument failing here.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 03:46:26 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, James Randi has been caught doing fraudulent things in regard to his self-appointed role as debunker of all things paranormal. It's been many years since I read about it, but evidently he falsified evidence, lied, refused to look at proofs that were sent to him which would require him to pay his one million dollars, etc. Look into it for yourself if you don't believe me. Btw, you probably won't find info about this on his website.
And there ARE serious researchers who look at every possible explanation before claiming something is "paranormal." They have published very serious books on their findings. If you haven't heard of them then you have NOT looked into this subject very hard at all. You obviously haven't even bothered to check out some books at your local library.
Here is just one example: One of the lead investigators for the Air Force's Project Blue Book which investigated UFO sightings said that 10% of their investigations resulted in no possible explanation other than the sighting being of a UFO. Okay, what is that?
And that is just a tiny drop in the bucket. There have been hundreds of professional military and intelligence officers, as well as scientists and police and other very credible witnesses who have reported seeing UFOs. Jimmy Carter filed a report with the air force after seeing a silent hovering craft at night along with an entire hunting party. Jimmy Carter was not only a US president, he was a nuclear physicist. There are hundreds more people like him, although much less famous who have seen the same thing.
And we're not talking about seeing some vague lights in the sky. We're talking about sightings like multiple witnesses watching a metallic grey disc shaped object hovering noiselessly over an airfield for 10 minutes in broad daylight, while simultaneously being tracked on radar, and being seen by pilots and even military plane spotters, before the craft suddenly rockets off at unheard of speeds. This kind of sighting has happened hundreds of times all around the world and been seen by thousands and thousands of people. Some of these witnesses have even made sworn testimony to this effect. This is well known to anyone who has spent an hour or two looking into it online. How could you not know about any of this? Or have you just dismissed thousands of reports from professional and credible people because Carl Sagan and others like him said there were no UFOs? And these kind of reports continue to pour in from all around the world every year.
I don't know why your bothering either. Maybe some part of you is interested in the truth. It IS out there. You just need a truly scientific mind. A truly scientific mind is skeptical, but OPEN.
RedofPaw ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:41:37 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Show me. Find me a single example of confirmation. With evidence. Independently verified. Do it. Go on. We can all wait as long as it takes. Surprise me. Don't just say that shit, back it up.
scottisnot ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:36:12 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Can you show me, with evidence that it was fraud? If you can't prove something to be fake or real how can you just say it's fake without showing proof yourself? Neither arguments can be proven so each are respectfully considered possible. If you can not handle logic that then there is no point of a debate on the subject.
RedofPaw ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:55:32 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
No. That's not how it works.
HE has to prove that he can do it. He has to submit himself to independent scientific tests. Not being willing to do so would clearly represent a big flashing warning sign.
The burden of proof does not lie with me.
Indeed. I would say so. To you.
scottisnot ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:12:04 on December 16, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Thanks for telling me something I told you. lol.
RedofPaw ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:58:23 on December 16, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I also taught you of the wonders of 'burden of proof'. You're having a really good day.
scottisnot ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:28:27 on December 16, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Only thing learned here today is that you cannot make a argument without a real damn argument, instead coming off like a pompous idiot. I'm having a marvelous day, thank you!
RedofPaw ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:33:16 on December 16, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Well, now you're just being mean.
[deleted] ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 01:23:55 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Why do I have to prove it to you? Why shouldn't I demand that you go through each example posted on this thread and disprove it to me? Why don't you back up what you say?
Take your own medicine, duder.
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[deleted] ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 01:38:38 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
You made the claim that something was false. You make the claim, you supply the proof.
RedofPaw ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:23:10 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Well, I know because I'm God. If you believe that to be false then you better have some proof for your claim.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 05:37:08 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Well if you are God then you must also know that I'm not going to spend the time collecting and posting studies showing paranormal results. That would be many hours of work just to have you blow them off as hoaxed or flawed studies. What I am willing to do here is point out how you confuse your belief in materialism for rational thought. That is fun for me because it's so simple, although it's clearly not an easy task getting you to see it too.
RedofPaw ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:30:16 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Well, as God I know you're not going to do this because there's no evidence.
To be fair, it's probably because they are hoaxed and/or flawed.
What I am willing to do is point out how you fail to produce a SINGLE instance - a single SOLITARY example. Funny that.
This is fun for me, because you're so unwilling to do even the most basic effort to back up your beliefs and immediately jump to the idea that you will be dismissed if you even try.
Better to suggest that those who disagree with your ideas are materialist FASCISTS, rather than even attempt to defend your claims.
Your beliefs must be pretty fragile if you have to protect them so completely from the least amount of scrutiny.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:26:31 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Okay, well your arguments are starting to get circular, which is boring, so I might quit this discussion and continue with the more lively ones I'm having simultaneously with a few other people.
If you want some studies which show things which you probably believe is impossible, then do your own work and check out the Disclosure Project. This organization has collected something like 500 sworn affidavits from ex military and intelligence personel, swearing to their own first-person experience with ET craft and/or to their knowledge of the government cover-up of same. If you are intellectually honest then you will watch the videos of this very serious and credible men giving their testimony. And even if you do not believe them you must recognize the fact that we regularly execute people with far, far less testimonial evidence against them.
Another organization you can look into is The Institute for Noetic Sciences. They are a group of scientists who dare to openly study things that mainstream science has turned it's back on. Plenty of stuff there that you will probably not believe.
Another organization that comes to mind is the SAND Conference that happens annually in California. This is a gathering of physicists and spiritual teachers to discuss the nature of consciousness. Plenty of stuff here for you to disbelieve in also, I'm sure.
These are just three off the top of my head. It is not my habit or hobby to convince people like you. I will debate you on reddit for a little while, as long as it's enjoyable to me. But the moment we start going in circles it quickly becomes boring and I move on to more exciting things. There are closed and irrational minds all over the place; in paranormal and religious circles and in "scientific" circles as well. It is not my job to try to pry these minds open with facts and rationality, and thank God for that...
I wish you well and please understand that I am not attacking you as a person. I am attacking your biased attitude. And I am doing it in a forceful way at times because that is the attitude YOU brought in your original comment.
Cheers
RedofPaw ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:48:55 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Promises, promises.
I'm aware of it. It's been around for two decades.
I'm aware. I'm also aware that in 20 years they've failed to bring forward any actual evidence. It's all testimony.
I've seen them. If they are true then they are indeed quite compelling. However we only have their word. Just because there are a number of them doesn't make them suddenly reliable.
I am not saying it's all nonsense. I am saying that I have not seen a single scrap of evidence. I have heard a lot of people making claims. They need to back them up.
The main issue here is that you are promoting them as a 'whole'. 'look at all these people! If it was just one person then we could dismiss them, but 500! they just HAVE to be right!'.
Well, they're 500 individuals - all as capable of lying, being misled or being wrong. We need to take each claim on it's own merits.
If 500 people say they've seen bigfoot it does not mean bigfoot exists - even if some of them have PHDs in biology.
Oh yes, the sinister cabal that is 'mainstream science'. You know that scientists would be MORE than happy to examine actual evidence, right? They're not dismissing things out of hand. There is no 'agenda' here.
Indeed.
Consciousness is a very important field for us to understand. Scientists are making great strides in understanding how the brain works and how the physical, biological processes generate 'mind'. Sam Harris has some very interesting things to say about the nature of free will that you might find interesting.
I'm not sure what 'spiritual teachers' have to say on biology, but perhaps they have some valid philosophical points.
Why not? You seem quite passionate about it. You're relatively articulate. Either you believe there are interesting things out there people should be interested in or you have some other reason for not wanting to educate others.
Do you astral project your way there?
Indeed.
Well, one requires certain tools for certain tasks.
Why would you?
How about, rather than 'attack', you instead attempt to engage? Debate and conversation seems a better use of time than polemic don't you think?
And yet I am the one willing to discuss the issues, while you are immediately jumping to a defensive position. If your ideals are so fragile that you cannot stand the smallest amount of challenge then perhaps that says more about you then me?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:47:37 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Your arguments are inflammatory. You are being snarky and sarcastic. You are dismissing some of the information leads that I provided out of hand. You are making unreasonable demands on some of the others. And you are restating your certainty that I am wrong over and over without providing a rational argument as to why.
In short, your mind is closed and this debate is going nowhere.
It was fun for awhile, but it is not fun to beat my head against an inflexible belief system. So, I'm done here.
Have a nice day, my friend. Wishing you a happy holidays.
RedofPaw ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:56:52 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Whatever rationalisation makes you feel better. Feel free to drop an astral projection over anytime and I'll pour you a drink.
__1984__ ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 22:33:44 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Meditation is the key to unlocking many things.
[deleted] ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 19:15:18 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
the black knight satellite
kensomniac ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 01:40:44 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I always got a feeling this was something that someone really didn't want anyone to have a picture of.
ookiisask ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 02:11:38 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I like to think that's it's a surviving Colonial Raptor from battlestar galactica. Of course, that's just fiction, so it's blatantly not the case. But given the plot of the show, it's a neat idea.
The official story behind the BKS is that it's a Discoverer V satellite capsule. That story came out during the cold war, so it could very well be as reliable as Dick Nixon's espionage skills.
craze4ble ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:07:54 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
IIRC, it has been confirmed as debris from space.
DeathToKardashians ยท 46 points ยท Posted at 17:23:02 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
What about the video clip (Not picture sorry) from the Goldfield Hotel where the brick gets thrown and then years later other people go back and capture EVP recordings of voices referencing that same event?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=spBZODhgD3I
chronotopia ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 21:03:20 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Joewilley926 ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 17:48:24 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
"We have absolutely no fear of you"
pissedoffgiraffe ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 22:54:04 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
"We have absolutely no- AHHHHHHHHHHHHH!"
dbrown82 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:28:40 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I like this show but this guy can be pretty annoying. No wonder ghost throw stuff at him.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:48:48 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
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ghoooooooooost ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:53:20 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I Googled around a bit, but could you please direct me to a thoughtful discussion about why the video is fake?
UNSCNova ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:38:14 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Well, it seems that the camera was directly positioned to face the brick. Now what are the odds of having something interesting happen right in front of the camera?
ghoooooooooost ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:42:30 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
To play devil's advocate, you could argue that the entity wanted to do something that would be visible to the investigators and that the camera would capture. The investigators were provoking it, so the entity gave them a show with a brick that was well-lit and right in front of them.
Sikktwizted ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:43:26 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I actually live in Goldfield :D. It surprised me to see this here.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:32:31 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
that is some creepy shit, i want to go there even for 5 minutes
JimJimmyJimmerson ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:45:07 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Great to see such impartial news coverage.
AbnormalDream ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:47:49 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I used to love this show and this was my favourite one, upon growing up and understanding how things work I don't think it's real but ahh the memories.
ivnslva ยท -8 points ยท Posted at 19:21:17 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
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socialreality ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 22:35:27 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I'm a bit late to the thread, but I've always been interested in the 1978 Valentich disappearance. The case is still being investigated, but we do know that he wasn't that great of a pilot and was an avid believer in UFOs. Still, it's an interesting story.
Valentich alerted traffic control that he was accompanied by another aircraft, but was told that there was no known air traffic around him.
He reported that the aircraft was flying at high speeds and coming towards him, believing that the pilot was toying with him.
He reported that the aircraft disappeared, and then he began to experience engine problems.
His last words were, "it is hovering, and it is not an aircraft", followed by roughly 30 seconds of a metallic, scraping sound.
Neither aircraft was found.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 08:38:52 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
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Chucklebuck ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 11:18:53 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Wiki says it was debunked.
'This was ruled out by aviation authorities, as the Cessna 182 has a high wing with a gravity fed fuel system, making prolonged inverted flight impossible in this model.'
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Valentich_disappearance#Conventional
green_ghouls77 ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 01:27:56 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
http://i.imgur.com/kdGRD60.jpg I have no explanation for what this is but it still creeps me out.
wargy2 ยท 408 points ยท Posted at 15:51:52 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I personally took this picture off a friend's phone. Her home was claimed to be haunted by previous owners.
StephenTMNT ยท 576 points ยท Posted at 16:17:56 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, I would move.
meatinyourmouth ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 04:21:59 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
...the camera back a bit so the picture isn't all up in my face when I enlarge it using RES expecting to look for a slightly visible face in the background like all these other pictures.
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SuperCaptainMan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:58:23 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Because it was funny.
[deleted] ยท 69 points ยท Posted at 17:09:22 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Ok that just creeped me right out. Was not expecting it to be RIGHT THERE when I opened up the picture.
AtomicSans ยท 65 points ยท Posted at 16:11:58 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
That's definitely the strangest lens flare I've ever seen.
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[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:59:38 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
LOL
jibberjabber72 ยท 109 points ยท Posted at 16:30:56 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
This seems to obviously be the reflection of a person on a television screen, taken while a movie is playing.
[deleted] ยท 44 points ยท Posted at 17:55:07 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
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ramonycajones ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 17:28:22 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
True, there's a nice lit square around it.
iamNebula ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 18:30:38 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Not sure if all these comments are serious but yes, this looks like a picture of either a picture frame or an older glass television.
etothepowerof3 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 05:08:14 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Actually the longer I look at it, I think it's just a normal photo of a girl in a picture frame. It only looks evilly distorted because of the light reflected off of it. You can see she's wearing a black sleeveless top and has her head at an angle smiling big at the camera, like a staged photo. I think it's the background light blocking out her eyebrows that makes it so especially creepy.
ajsatx ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:53:56 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Where is the tv?
jibberjabber72 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:20:45 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
The entire picture is the TV screen.
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BrazilCarge ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 18:57:14 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Mate, I think yer being haunted by the Emperor from Star Wars: Such an uncanny resemblance.
[deleted] ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 17:19:20 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
That's what you get when you turn on your flood lights and take picture with a potato.
[deleted] ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 17:49:08 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Holy shit. This lens flare is equivalent to 53 Michael Bays
aprildh08 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:31:33 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Which equals one JJ Abrams.
Grakmarr ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 18:50:05 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Holy shit, it looks like Brain Guy from MST3k.
fictionaut1 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 18:31:01 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
were the previous owners autobots?
lightningrod14 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 22:38:02 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
if anyone is having trouble seeing it, it's a lot bigger than you think it is.
Mikkelet ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:43:01 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Need more info! Did your friend
moveburn down the house?!WithkeyThipper ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 18:41:03 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
HEEBIE FUCKING JEEBIES
motdidr ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 18:52:00 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
These photos are so unconvincing I really wonder what's going through the minds of people thinking shit like this is a legit ghost.
I mean just look at the terrible conditions of this photo, looks like it's taken about 2 inches from a window or mirror, there's lightbulbs or something distorting a large portion of the photo, everything else is completely unfocused and blurry, and an obvious smudge barely resembles a face (if you'll recall human brains are exceedingly good at constructing faces, even from random smudges of dirt). My first thought on seeing this photo was "holy shit someone teach this girl how to use a fucking camera".
GreenDay987 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 23:18:45 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Buzz Killington?
I'm sure plenty of people here don't believe these photos are real, it's just fun to look and wonder what if.
motdidr ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:18:46 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Then why have a [Serious] tag? That pretty much means everyone posting here does think they're real. Also, they're supposed to be convincing. Convincing of what? Being fun to look at?
GreenDay987 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:02:32 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
If you've been on reddit long enough, you'd know that simply having a serious tag doesn't mean everything will be true. Lots of people know that and just enjoy the stories/pictures.
rebelcanuck ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:53:18 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
What were you trying to take a picture of? What happened to the subject in the foreground? It's not necessarily creepy or supernatural but it is strange in the sense that I don't understand what was happening when you took this picture.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:21:32 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
This gave me goosebumps... Holycrap
its_erin_j ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:11:35 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I thought you wrote, "her phone was claimed to be haunted by previous owners"...
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:08:02 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Holy fuck that kinda caught me off guard
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It took me over a minute to find it. Then BAAM GIANT FACE.
Chameleon3 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:37:43 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Imagine it was a double mirror and on the other side this guy lives and was watching her through the mirror when she took the picture!
Now that would be creepy.
metllicamilitia ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:06:06 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Looks like it was shot through glass and someone was standing there to create a reflection.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:15:02 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
There is a piece of plexiglass or plastic at an angle between the camera and the person in the photo. That face is either a mask being worn, a makeup job or a really bad reflection from the lighting.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:50:31 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
you should tell us more about this home
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:27:19 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
It looks like they took a picture of a photo and it showed mostly the glare/reflection, but you can still see the photo.
ambeecee ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:44:20 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
It's a mouse.
taylorxo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:49:56 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Ghost was just trying to take a selfie.
MouthPoop ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:00:00 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
She's standing close to a television and the reflected light off the screen makes the image look faded and transparent.
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mario0318 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:33:16 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
It's a nice theory, but the images clearly do not match.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:58:31 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Erin photo bombed you! That cunt!
ThoseTwoRobots ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:07:45 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
That's so creepy
ny_rangers ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:20:01 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Well fuck...
Taurus_O_Rolus ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:04:19 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Aw yisssssssss, FUCK.
OriginalityIsDead ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 16:54:21 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Cue the "It's just pareidolia" comments. No, that's far too defined.
graaahh ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 16:14:20 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Her camera messed up.
el_cabinet ยท 378 points ยท Posted at 14:26:35 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Creepy, but sort of funny
Insomnialcoholic ยท 345 points ยท Posted at 14:51:49 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
My guess would be the owner rigged something to do that so he could get his store publicity and it worked.
PlNG ยท 44 points ยท Posted at 15:25:58 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
From my observation of a 3 minute gap in video coverage prior to the "event", you guessed correctly.
warplayer ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:19:02 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
How did they not see that? It was so easy to catch.
tauroid ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:47:56 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Hah yeah nice spot
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[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:41:25 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
This is correct. They mentioned that the item that fell was from a few aisles over, but people put things back in random places all the time.
Enginerdiest ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 19:16:53 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
" Why visit me oh terrible spirit?"
"Because your prices can't be best and your customer service is number 1"
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:02:21 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Or Biscuit Man was in town
Sykotik ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:40:39 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I'd guess something even simpler, a mouse or rat was on the shelf and bumped them off.
bearrwitness ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:05:26 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Nope.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:24:10 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I've been there it's always pretty busy. I that's because it's near a beach.
taylorxo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:45:33 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Spring of some sort.
smoochieboochies ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:05:06 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
And that's the best he could come up with?
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http://i.imgur.com/TBebuCo.jpg
dontgoatsemebro ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:30:56 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
harlothangar ยท 53 points ยท Posted at 14:53:05 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
"Invisible force"
As opposed to the luminescent electromagnetic forces?
[deleted] ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 15:12:09 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
A visible force would be someone literally throwing the thing
TheSandyRavage ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:05:14 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Its the centrifugal force!
Erthwerm ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:52:26 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
My physics professor told the entire class "if I ever hear 'the centrifugal force' or 'force of suction' from any of you, it's an automatic failure."
bertrussell ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 15:02:31 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Sounds like an attempt to gain attention for the supermarket. It might be more believable if they showed the camera footage from all angles of the whole supermarket, rather than just showing the footage of the event itself. Fishing line would be easy to conceal in a case like that.
Anzai ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:11:36 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Considering the box comes from off camera, you don't even need fishing line. Just some dude off camera throwing it. Like a staff member with a key who was walking home from the pub and decided to stop in and take a few items for late night snacking or something.
Xtinguish ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 16:26:03 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Scientists can't explain this, but reddit can.
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AstroPhysician ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:03:44 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Watch the video, that wasn't the fruit rollup aisle
el_cabinet ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:59:33 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
An Arnold Schwarzenegger rat
SilentSigns ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:56:59 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Hah this is about 500m from where I used to live, the manager has a marketing degree and it was definitely bullshit. Oh and he put out this dumbass sign afterwards, so there's that.
el_cabinet ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:57:16 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Well, there goes my belief in paranormality.
frank5228 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:55:46 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Rat be like "Fuck they keep putting shit on my way"
JZ_212 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:55:57 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
"Share this story, like it on facebook, post it on twitter, tell your friends, take this survey, buy some stocks and dont forget to tune in tomorrow for more bs publicity discussions."
el_cabinet ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:58:47 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Don't forget to adopt a family in Africa on your way out!
1ce9ine ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:18:12 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Look in the upper left-hand corner of the screen during the wide angle shot. Something moves at the exact moment the roll ups fly off the shelf. Possibly a wire or something?
PlNG ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:25:16 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)*
Because a 3 minute gap in video coverage is "Supernatural"
halfiehydra ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:00:56 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
The owner probably knows the blind spots of his own camera system and just threw the bag of candy in view of the camera. Notice how it doesn't actually show where it came from. It wasn't creepy at all, just a dumb hoax
impossinator ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:18:09 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Wow they are really going full Americano with that format/set/lighting... ugh...
drkhead ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:39:03 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Libby Trickett's olympic dreams live on!
marlon_brave ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:24:31 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
My professional analysis; It's actually the shadow that makes it look like it flys across the room When really all that has happened is that it fell off the shelf I'd say from some customer who has put it in a precarious position
fender35303 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:07:21 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
SERIOUS RESPONSES ONLY, NO FUNNY BUSINESS
iamNebula ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:22:02 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Well that news segment is completely retarded. I'm sorry. At 0:26 the CCTV footage jumps from 23:27 to 23:30 as the product hits the ground. And then the same for the alternate angle.
I wonder how much the owner paid to get this segment onto the program. All he did was look up the death which occurred near his store and use it as a base for some bullshit, done really badly.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:17:31 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
If I were gunned down and transformed into a vengeful spirit, I would make my relentless, eternal anguish known to mortals by flinging a packet of crisps on the floor after hours at an IGA. Take that, mortals! NOW YOU MUST BEND DOWN TO PICK UP THOSE CRISPS! * ghoulish laugh *
MultifariAce ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:31:30 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I spend a lot of time in grocery stores. This happens all the time everywhere. It is because of the packaging. Fruit snacks have a particularly narrow box that will fall off on its own for many reasons from dents on the shelves or a squished end of the box. It could also be rodent, but that would leave more evidence.
el_cabinet ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:55:46 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
May I ask what you do in grocery stores? I hate spending time in grocery stores...
MultifariAce ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:23:34 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Mostly resets. I'm a merchandiser for now.
ZipperDoDa ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:50:01 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Love the skeptic response to 'Lots of people feel the presence of' ... 'An advertising campaign'
wishIknewwho ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:28:45 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I used to work in a warehouse for supermarket supplies, and I've seen a thousand boxes of candy fall from shelves for no reason. It doesn't appear to be "flung," and definitely not from six meters away; the invisible force is gravity. it appears to simply fall and be captured by a camera with a low frame rate. An automated fan in the store could be enough to make an already off balance box fall to the ground. I think it's more likely that it just happened, and the manager decided to try to get some press.
cole1114 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:57:25 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
It looks like someone just crouched down and threw them from off-camera to me.
Lillibeth ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 14:54:24 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
That's kinda really cool
TheMcQuack ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:39:58 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Super creepy, I had no idea the UK was subject to banal morning shows.
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drfecka97 ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 17:22:59 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
50000 comments used to be here. Now it's a ghost town.
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Our so called moderators prostituted us to the bots... Our users... our honor.
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Look closely... look at the face. I think its the way the leaves align. I just looks like a face but its really just all in your head
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[deleted] ยท 42 points ยท Posted at 19:42:56 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
"Creature in the woods" video
[deleted] ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 22:10:25 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
What the fuck? This got me. So fucking nope
[deleted] ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 23:13:42 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Haha. It looks like they got their skinny bald friend to act all creepy. Not convincing, but certainly entertaining. That or some creepy guy was hanging out in the woods. Maybe a meth tweeker.
sre01 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:11:59 on December 16, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I think it actually ended up being viral marketing of some sort.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:56:36 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
It's Rubber Johnny!
TehTrollord ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:30:58 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
HOLY SHIT.
Probably fake but it still scared the hell out of me.
CHRONICequinox ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:38:31 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Nice try Blair which project.
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orangeverses ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:34:48 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
It was part of the viral marketing for some movie.
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orangeverses ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:34:33 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Super 8.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:43:26 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Looks like it but I don't remember any of those segments having anything like this. Only one involving the woods was the alien thing from VHS 2.
Dudamis ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:39:16 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Gollum?
archiearcher ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:01:27 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
The Rake?
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pandiculator ยท 749 points ยท Posted at 14:48:25 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
The 'Atacama Alien', a 6"/15cm humanoid.
Found in 2003 it was initially thought to be a monkey or aborted fetus. However, scientists have analysed the DNA and established that it is a male human that may have lived between 6 and 8 years.
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stefankruithof ยท 477 points ยท Posted at 15:15:02 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
It was not 6-8 years old, it was a mummified fetus (from either an intentional abortion or a miscarriage).
The age of 6-8 years comes not from any DNA analysis, but from a bone density analysis. The problem is that mummification significantly alters the bone density, and therefore makes the whole test pointless.
tl;dr: the Atacama 'Alien' was just a mummified human fetus
[deleted] ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 16:58:55 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
How do you know?
stefankruithof ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 17:15:23 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Here is a more detailed discussion about the Atacama 'Alien' in particular, and here are cases where mummified Egyptian children show similar changes in bone density due to mummification.
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 17:20:12 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Cool, thanks!
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:52:12 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
From the linked article:
"The child measures only six inches tall, but researcher Garry Nolan, of Stanford University, says it could have lived to be about six to eight years old at the time of its death."
stefankruithof ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 18:03:28 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Dr. Nolan repeatedly stressed that this was early speculation and not the final conclusion of his research on the specimen. Dr. Nolan also explained this was only based on the bone density and he even brought up the possibility of mummification distorting these results.
This is a typical case of selective quoting and media hype. The Business Insider article links to the Daily Mail and the HuffPo as its sources for the story. When it comes to science and pseudoscience those two papers are notoriously bad.
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 18:08:19 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Gotcha! I'm no big city scientist.
BCSteve ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:12:59 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Plus, if it had a birth defect, it might have not had "normal" bone density in the first place, even without changes from mummification.
Filthy_Fil ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:06:01 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Do you have a source for this example specifically? I'd like to read more.
silentbotanist ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:49:31 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
So the director of stem cell biology at Stanford University's School of Medicine in California just forgot one of the basic facts of mummification when releasing a documentary this April? It's not like mummification changing bone density is some sort of new counter-fact that was just discovered last month.
stefankruithof ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:06:10 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
If you're talking about dr. Nolan he repeatedly explained that the 6-8 years figure was pure speculation on his part and stems from early on in the investigation. It was not his conclusion at the end.
He also mentioned the possibility of mummification screwing up the bone density results, so no he did not forget that.
bpaq3 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:22:54 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Coming from that guy that knows everything on the internet.
SilasX ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:01:28 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
"Just" an ancient mummified human fetus???
personablepickle ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:13:45 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
In the context of this thread, yes, 'just' - an ancient mummified fetus is historically and scientifically interesting, but not supernatural.
trenchtoaster ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:15:44 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
First time I can say that my penis is bigger than a kindergarten student
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Read the fucking comment
CrystalElyse ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 15:17:21 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Could have had gigantism.
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Yes. " means inches.
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SamTarlyLovesMilk ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:49:39 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
What makes you think they did?
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SamTarlyLovesMilk ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:29:04 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
What? Epicness questioned the 6-8 year old being 6 inches (") tall. 'Cause that's pretty tiny.
universaladaptoid ยท 704 points ยท Posted at 15:01:02 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I apologize if I'm coming across as rude, but how is this a convincing proof of the supernatural, if DNA evidence has proved that this belonged to a human with birth defects ? Of course, the pictures are scary, but it'd be proof of the supernatural, only if DNA sequencing couldn't identify the species etc.
Bkeeneme ยท 898 points ยท Posted at 15:12:55 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Something "super" is afoot if the thing lived for seven years and was only six inches tall.
nocbl2 ยท 24 points ยท Posted at 16:35:57 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
The article discusses this. It COULD have been 6-8, but age tests are done by measuring the bone density in the body. If it is mummified as it seems to be, this number would be significantly altered.
tomrhod ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 21:20:14 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Not to mention that mummification would make the body appear really distorted from how it looked in life.
creepyeyes ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:01:45 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
For the flesh, yes. But would bone be similarly effected?
tomrhod ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 22:42:35 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
There are other comments saying the age range was incorrect and that this is a mummified fetus.
creepyeyes ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:46:24 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
That doesn't answer my question.
tomrhod ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:01:06 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Mummification, no. But a fetus with a birth defect can look like that.
kheiland ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 20:29:33 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Wouldn't it only be half-afoot, then?
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Well the article says it "could have"
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:43:10 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Life..uh..finds a way!
doubleplusepic ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:51:35 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
There is something distinctly terrifying about the thought of six-inch tall humans.
madethisforaquestion ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:22:00 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I think it would be cute as fuck. Especially if they looked like midgets.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:54:56 on June 8, 2014 ยท (Permalink)
actually it wasnt afoot. it was only 6 inches, or a half afoot
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:09:19 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I don't know, there's that that super tiny Indian woman/girl.
TheTrueRory ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:25:30 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
World's shortest man is only 1f9 at age 74.
HumanShadow ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:55:09 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Then it would only be half afoot
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sfhitz ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 20:12:48 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
By that definition, nothing super natural can logically exist because if it exists, then it is not super natural. I suppose that's true, but the de facto definition of super natural is something more like seemingly super natural.
PENIS_VAGINA ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 20:20:35 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Do you realize you're saying that the definition of supernatural is "seemingly supernatural?"
That doesn't make any sense, and by the way, supernatural has it's roots in religion not aliens or ghost.
sfhitz ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:31:10 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I'm saying that that's what it means in the context it's generally used. Everything has some kind of explanation that makes it not actually go "beyond nature."
PENIS_VAGINA ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:39:55 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Ok. But my point in this context was that if the mini human skeleton thing was understood via DNA as some kind of extremely rare birth defect then it's not supernatural. Staying it is supernatural is like saying that when people have quadruplets that it's supernatural because it's rare. Once something is understood scientifically in the context of the natural world it is not supernatural. Apparently that's not obvious because a whole bunch of people don't like that explanation and downvoted me and are arguing with me about it.
sfhitz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:39:58 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
What is an example of something you'd consider super natural then? There is literally nothing in the natural world that can't be explained scientifically.
Bkeeneme ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:00:19 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Big "No" to both of your questions. I might be missing something in the context of your response. Is English your native language?
mpg1846 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:11:45 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I think you're fighting an uphill battle arguing with someone who chose the name PENIS_VAGINA
PENIS_VAGINA ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 20:12:36 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Look up the definition of supernatural. Wow. This is some weird shit today reddit.
nsofu ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:45:49 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
It's not the definition. It's your attitude. Ok? Got it?
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Fake-Empire ยท 30 points ยท Posted at 16:25:22 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
But were they 6 fucking inches tall?
Paraclete87 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:42:06 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Ain't no bigger than a squirrel
mechuy ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 16:47:57 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
"aint no bigger than a bowtruckle"-hagrid
CheekyMunky ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 16:40:50 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
20 inches when full-grown. As children - which is what the "alien" was apparently determined to be - I would think they could well have been 6 inches at around that age.
zero_divisor ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:51:58 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
source?
CheekyMunky ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 17:30:31 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Did you bother to try?
zero_divisor ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:41:15 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
nope. wasn't saying i thought you were wrong either. just thought it was interesting. :P
Klaviatur ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:02:26 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
It's bullshit.
I mean, 6 inches is pretty fucking small.
CheekyMunky ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 17:37:41 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Oh, well, 6 inches is pretty small, so it must be bullshit. Good argument. You could try looking shit up, you know.
I haven't found age/height charts for anyone so far, but considering these people were less than 2 feet tall at adult height, and the description of primordial dwarfism indicates that the extremely small size and stunted growth is present even as a fetus, I don't think it's that much of a stretch to imagine that a child with the condition could be 6 inches long. Especially since, as others in the thread have pointed out, 6-8 years is a guess based on dating techniques that may not be all that accurate.
Undope ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 18:21:04 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Here, I looked some shit up for you. Even as babies a person with dwarfism isn't 6 inches. Here's a search for world's smallest surviving baby. Yes, it is an absurd stretch to assume a 6-8 year old human could be 6 inches tall.
CheekyMunky ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 18:25:40 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
A couple of Google image searches? Really?
Undope ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:46:56 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Alright, show me a picture of a 6 inch two year old then. Hell, I'll take a medieval silver sketch or even a cave painting. But let's see one.
CheekyMunky ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:05:37 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I've already said that I've found no data one way or the other about the height progression of the shortest people on record during their childhoods. Only that their adult heights were extremely short - shorter than I would have otherwise believed possible - and general information on their conditions that indicate that their extreme small size starts in the womb. Based on that, it seems within the realm of possibility that a young child with such a condition could be incredibly small.
You are the one stating definitively that it isn't possible, but have provided nothing substantive to corroborate it. The pictures you linked to say very little. Find me something that shows childhood data for the smallest people on record, and I will readily acknowledge it, even if it rules out what I've been saying is possible.
Klaviatur ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:21:33 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I'm saying that even the shortest man alive was more than 6 inches tall when he was 8 years old. You seemed to not realize just how fucking small 6 inches is. A human being simply could not live that long at that height.
The picture is most likely just a fetus and the dating techniques were wrong, but I'm just pointing out that it is very unlikely for it to have been primordial dwarfism.
CheekyMunky ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:32:01 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Source?
Also, I like how you go straight to 8 years old, ignoring that the age given is a ranged estimate. I've been referring to possibilities, which include the possibility of the person being at the low end, or even lower, which makes the given height that much more plausible.
I have a ruler.
And the human being in question obviously didn't. So I'm not sure what your point is.
Klaviatur ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:35:09 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Your argument is that a person who is 6-8 years old and only 6 inches tall is completely plausible. It isn't.
Do your research yourself and you will realize this.
CheekyMunky ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:59:37 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I've attempted to and found no data one way or the other to confirm it or rule it out. I've also stated that part of what makes it plausible is that the estimated age is not necessarily accurate. I've only said that based on what I've found, it doesn't seem to be outside the realm of possibility.
In other words, you are the one making definitive statements, but haven't provided any sort of data to back it up. Telling me to do my research myself is a cop-out.
123vasectomy ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:35:25 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I love how incredibly angry and mean spirited this entire thread is. Its just hilarious that people are getting so worked up over something so trivial.
CheekyMunky ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:50:19 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I'm with you on that, actually. The fact that there was a 6-inch long human is clear, and all that's in dispute is the age. While it was most likely a fetus or infant, the fact that people have lived well into adulthood at sizes I would have thought impossible make me willing to consider the possibility - expressed in the article - that a 6-inch-tall person may have lived a few years, especially in the absence of data one way or the other.
I'm not sure what's so inflammatory about that, but judging by the profanity-laden responses, I guess I insulted somebody's mother or something. My bad.
pandiculator ยท 68 points ยท Posted at 15:45:06 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Hi, no it's not rude and it's a valid question. I gave some thought whether or not to post it and even checked a dictionary to see if it might meet the definition of supernatural. The first definition in The Penguin English Dictionary is "departing from what is usual, so as to appear to transcend the laws of nature".
Perhaps it doesn't transcend the laws of nature but it certainly bends them a bit if the claims are true.
universaladaptoid ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:44:25 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Thank you for your reply. That cerainly is a valid point to make !
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:01:14 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Appear to transcend. It appears to transcend quite well, in my opinion
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acog ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 15:57:15 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
None, because the 6-8 year estimate was incorrect.
universaladaptoid ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:33:58 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Extreme dwarfism, caused by a disorder in the pituitary gland does result in even adults who are only 2 feet tall. I'm not sure how the disease acts, and if it can be cause the retardation in height from a young age, but seeing how there are other possible anatomical defects, what's not to say that this person did not have such a disorder too (Again, not sure, but a probable guess) ?
LascielCoin ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 15:14:44 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I think it's going into the alien direction, not exactly supernatural. But you have to admit that this is well beyond ''human with birth defects'', there's no way an actual 15cm long human would survive 8 years.
jourtney ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 15:13:10 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
DNA could not pinpoint the birth defects.
universaladaptoid ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 15:27:24 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I agree, DNA sequencing may not be able to tell us about specific birth defects, but it can pin point us to different possible congenital mutations etc, that may or may not be the case, and based on other accompanying evidence(Weird Anatomy etc), a cause can be identified. In any case, it can definitely tell us what the base species was etc, which in this case, is human.
jourtney ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 15:42:34 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I'm in no way disagreeing this is not an alien. This is absolutely a human skeleton, however, it mentioned in the article that no birth defects could be found (aside from the obvious physical issues).
Kowzorz ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:17:13 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
That isnt saying much based on the current knowledge of everything in our DNA.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:52:08 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Woooooo! Spoooooky!
ZacharyCallahan ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:06:37 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
DNA IS SPOOKY!
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:29:22 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
What isn't spooky about the double helix shape? All those Gs, As, Ts, and Cs. I swore I saw a U. A U!?!?!?!
jourtney ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:25:53 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
As I said, I'm not denying it's a human skeleton, just strange.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:48:59 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I was joking about the scientific explanation being spooky.
BCSteve ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:10:22 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
There are a lot of birth defects that DNA sequencing doesn't reveal the cause of; for example, there are birth defects caused by changes in imprinting and epigenetic markers, as well as mitochondrial defects. And I'm guessing they didn't sequence the whole genome (that would be expensive), and even if they did, we don't have a comprehensive enough knowledge about the genome to predict every single possible birth defect that could arise. I'm guessing that, if anything, they looked at a karyotype, didn't see any chromosomal translocations, and declared it "normal".
bigmeech ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 15:29:52 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Unknown birth defect? must be supernatural! Praise Jesus!
jourtney ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:43:04 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I don't actually believe this is anything other than a human skeleton.
Aeri73 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:10:59 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
indeed, the plates of the scull where not yet attached and colapsed when decaying...
GODZILLA_FLAMEWOLF ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:43:41 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
There is no such thing as convincing proof of the supernatural. If it exists, it's natural. Supernatural essentially means it doesn't exist.
rustybandit ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:41:07 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
usually when people preface something with "I apologize if I'm coming across as rude" it means they absolutely feel like shoving somebody else's foolish nose deep into their own truth-knowing ass
universaladaptoid ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:05:22 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, I like noses in my ass.
bigsol81 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:52:46 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
On that note, even if it is the corpse of some diminutive alien species, that's still not supernatural. Extraterrestrial life is just as natural as terrestrial life.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:18:56 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
dude, look at it. That's crazy.
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DarkRedLoveKnot ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:16:52 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Whaaa?
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 15:18:11 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Only half of all humans named Dan like bananas. This is conclusive proof if that.
CaptainAction ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:54:18 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Isn't it true that we share around 90% of our DNA with Chimpanzees? They got a 91% match with the skeleton there, but there's still room for it to be something other than human. But since it's so close, it could be (and probably is) still human.
sufur_sufur ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:32:48 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
It's not, lol.
Obviously, some have used this thread to show examples of photos/videos that were/are thought to be evidence of the supernatural.
It's fun and/or interesting!
universaladaptoid ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:38:46 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Hah, okay ! It is a fun read :)
MacandCheez_addCarp ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:45:15 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
this shit happens all the time in these threads. i honestly forget the title of it at this point because of all the irrelevant bullshit that's been posted.
"[Serious] What, in your opinion, is the most convincing photo captured of something supernatural?" - and then you have people posting pictures of stuff like a kid inside a supposedly haunted house, an ape-like creature in the bushes, and the skeleton of what scientists have confirmed to be human.
There's rarely OC on these threads and often people stray far from the topic made by OP.
TL;DR: reddit is a circle jerk with hardly any OC or relevant posts when it comes to threads like this one.
SamWise050 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:50:05 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Nothing to see here
Lonesome_phoenix ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:50:06 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Not rude at all, but, assuming we know for sure that we share the same DNA with aliens, thus know for sure that alien life exists, this would be just a regular photo of an alien and it wouldn't be so interesting wouldn't it :D
ratmfreak ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:02:57 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Looks like something out of a Tool music video.
BCSteve ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:00:25 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I really question the assertion that it lived between 6 and 8 years. I work with DNA all the time in my lab, and I don't know of any lab technique that's been proven to predict people's ages with such accuracy. And the few things that do correlate (poorly) with age, such as DNA methylation and telomere lengths, could be HIGHLY disregulated by birth defects, meaning that they'd be really unreliable in telling how old something born with birth defects is.
OriginalityIsDead ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:32:40 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Nah, it's probably just Pareidolia.
Shadax ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:49:12 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Damn. Imagine being the one to stumble upon that.
Inimicus ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:50:34 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
yeah, sure...
Smokenstein ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:12:15 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
What's really creepy is how they found it. Wasn't it found like way underground in a tiny cave with no access to the surface?
pandiculator ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:31:23 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
According to Fortean Times (FT302:5), which is where I first read about it, it was discovered in 2003 in La Noria, a ghost town in Chile's Atacama Desert by a man looking for objects of historical value. It was found wrapped in cloth near an abandoned church.
sexyfrenchboy93 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:58:25 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
george shrinks
TehTrollord ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:43:46 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
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aazav ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:22:41 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Count the number of ribs and number of vertebrae and compare to all primates. Check the pattern of the cranial sutures and you'll know what species it is.
RyanCantDrum ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:58:06 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe the women couldn't have passed the baby and it lived in her until she couldn't sustain it and it died?
wikingwarrior ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:43:46 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I'm sorry, does anyone else get suspicious when it started out as "this is not a hoax"?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:27:42 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Where is the photo?
phaed ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:22:41 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Just a mutation, its how life evolves. Just because we can't pinpoint the exact cause does not make it supernatural. God does not live in the gaps. Move along, nothing to see here.
CheekyMunky ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 15:12:37 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
How is this supernatural?
Cyberslasher ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 15:42:51 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I'm sorry, I forgot all about your other 6 FUCKING INCH 8 YEAR OLDS
CheekyMunky ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:35:20 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
"Unusual" and "supernatural" are not the same thing.
AKnightAlone ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:30:37 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
That's just something that could occur within the boundaries of evolution. It's not impossible that humans could have all evolved to be that size, the only problem is something like a volcano or a flood could wipe out all of them simultaneously.
In this case, unless more examples were found, it's likely to just be a defect.
ThaCarter ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:28:31 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I believe the thought process is that this is so far outside the bounds of what might even be considered an extreme statistical outlier that something supernatural must be afoot. Still probably just some crazy ass natural mutation.
pandiculator ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:55:25 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Please see response posted above
Buttflapp ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:19:05 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
And also that it's more than likely a deformed human.
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[deleted] ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 21:42:43 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
The Chicago UFO sighting at O'hare airport in 2006 was pretty interesting. My cousin told me him and my uncle were driving in the car when they heard the UFO report on the radio. Here's a Wikipedia link to the event: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2006_O%27Hare_International_Airport_UFO_sighting
BadBoyMcCoY ยท 44 points ยท Posted at 15:43:43 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)*
This video is pretty creepy, look in the hallway behind the guy talking at around 3:55. Just as he's talking about burning bibles.
EDIT: You may need to turn up your computers brightness.
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BadBoyMcCoY ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 20:06:55 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Yea this is the most probable explanation, still kind of creepy though.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:32:33 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not a superstitious or religious person, but when someone mentions burning a bible, then a ghost appears, shit gets pretty real.
Muggi ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:38:28 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
In the unlit hallway? I can't see anything.
Sykil ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 17:12:24 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah. I had to watch it a few times. Maximize the video and look very high on the left side of the doorway. When he says "But in the same video" and points his fingers to the right, you can see a lighter figure appear like a face peeking into the room. When he waves his hand over the doorway, it disappears.
It's pretty creepy. Probably constructed (it happens as he's talking about burning bibles) or just a trick of the light.
sashimi_taco ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 18:06:21 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
OH my god that scared the shit out of me.
Muggi ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:14:37 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
OH ok I got it. Thanks!
Lyle91 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:48:57 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Looks like someone really is there. They probably just set it up though.
xu85 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:08:20 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Holy shit. Fullscreen on a 1440p monitor. Bricks were shat.
cross-eye-bear ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:44:38 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Screencap dat shit.
BadBoyMcCoY ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:05:53 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Try turning up your monitor brightness. It's only there for second pretty much exactly when he says about the bibles. Top left corner of the doorway, it disappears when he moves his hand past it which make me think it's probably something to do with the recording. But creepy nonetheless.
ansible47 ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 17:39:27 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
That's a GREAT one.
It would take a really wonderful amount of coordination for that guy in the background to know to get out of frame right as the main guy's hands go up.
ChalkRust ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 21:18:25 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Satan: Did someone say "burning bibles?" O wait nevermind its just some loser talking about shit im out of here
Danielo944 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:59:12 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:20:49 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Gif of the video where it happens.
http://imgur.com/gJAZQ2s.gif
vocalistsXD ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:15:38 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
that's some fucked up!
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:19:50 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Am I getting trolled? It goes to a video of a guy talking about playing in puddles of kid's piss.
BadBoyMcCoY ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:30:07 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
You might have to increase your monitor brightness, look in the top left of the door at around 3:50 - 4:05
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 19:50:49 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Oh shit I was looking in all the wrong places. That're pretty creepy haha
KillaStorm1000 ยท 269 points ยท Posted at 14:09:03 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Here's a video, it shows a guy in medieval clothing opening doors and shutting them. Either someone was an excellent prankster or it really is some guy who woke up 700 years late.
[deleted] ยท 632 points ยท Posted at 14:32:36 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)*
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THESOYMILK ยท 88 points ยท Posted at 14:43:48 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I always had trouble understanding that term. It applies mathematical as one thing can multiply and split itself only so many times. But in simple terms it's just "The most reasonable explanation is likely the correct one" What does the have to do with division and multiples?
MrSlyMe ยท 151 points ยท Posted at 14:53:42 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I've never heard of it used in maths, only logic and problem solving. The answer that makes the least amount of assumptions is likely the solution.
So one could make the assumption it's a ghost, or the assumption that it's someone opening doors in a robe. Which is the lesser assumption?
[deleted] ยท 181 points ยท Posted at 15:04:41 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)*
Like Dr. Cox said on Scrubs, though I don't recall quite how he put it. If you hear galloping, your first thought should be horse, not zebra.
edit: Jesus Christ, how many of you are going to tell me the exact same god damn thing.
[deleted] ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 15:26:37 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
That's a common term in medicine. I've heard my girlfriend (a clinical microbiologist) use the term "chasing zebras" in the context of trying to identify something as a rare exotic organism.
[deleted] ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 15:39:36 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
It's not a Dr. Cox quote, it's a medical aphorism that dates back more then 50 years: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zebra_(medicine)
Lanaglugglug ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:27:35 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
What if you're on the African plains?
[deleted] ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 15:40:29 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Obviously, context has to be taken into consideration.
typodaemon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:51:18 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Unless you're the lion king.
etothepowerof3 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:23:51 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
As a statistician, I am forever grateful and baffled that my ER doctor "chased a zebra" when I had a bad headache that wouldn't go away. She had to convince the attending doctor and CT tech that it was worthwhile to scan me, since an MRI had already come back normal. But it turns out her hunch was correct, and my "headache" was actually an enormous blood clot in my brain that had entirely cut off blood flow to the transverse sinus, and didn't show up in the MRI.
In hindsight I'm incredibly lucky that she followed that wild hunch instead of many more likely causes for headaches, even though statistically it was probably irresponsible. And SHE got damn lucky as well, since I was about a sneeze away from hemorrhaging at that point.
SlothyTheSloth ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:44:08 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Really depends on where you are though, doesn't it?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:56:49 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Of course it does. It's not like this is an objectively true statement to be used in every scenario where you're trying to demonstrate the concept of presupposing the more likely situation.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:39:41 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Thats an old saying, it should not be attributed to scrubs even if thats where you first heard it
wehavegreatsexxx ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:32:38 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
It's one thing along the lines of "when you hear hoofbeats, think horses. Not zebras." Very common saying
mccoyster ยท -7 points ยท Posted at 15:21:40 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I prefer how Dawkins (I believe twas him) phrases it, "If you hear hoof-beats, think horses, not unicorns."
Zebra's are real.
golergka ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 15:48:22 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
The fact that zebra's a real was the Cox's point in the episode. JD was chasing hyptothetically possible, but very unprobable theory.
mccoyster ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 16:02:29 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Right, but my point is, we know zebra's exist. While unlikely, compared to a horse, it wouldn't be out of the realm of acceptable possibility, for it to be a zebra. Unicorns, on the other hand...
Which I think fits Occam's Razor more closely, in these examples, as it's not like we know ghosts/UFO's/etc exist, and are just less likely than other explanations. We have no reasonable reason to know/think they exist, just as with unicorns.
rediphile ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:29:42 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
We don't know that zebras exist. We just have more evidence that they exist than we do that unicorns exist.
mccoyster ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:50:31 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
We only don't know zebras exist in the same way we don't know anything but our mind exists. By our ability to understand and catalog the physical world, we are as sure zebras exist as we are anything else.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:42:30 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Ok. You're in Montana. You hear hooves. What do you suppose?
mccoyster ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:40:12 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
That it is something other than a unicorn. :P
Mildcorma ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:43:51 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
"If you hear hooves, think horses, not Zebra!"
KingHalfrican ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:21:40 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
If you hear hooves think horses not zebras. It's way older than scrubs.
c4ptainaw3some ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:28:14 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zebra_(medicine) "Zebra is the medical slang for arriving at an exotic medical diagnosis when a more commonplace explanation is more likely." I don't know if it's that same episode, but I remember at one point they made fun of House (TV show) for having tons of Zebras. Even on the House wiki site, they have a "Zebra Rating" for each episode.
supamanpasta ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 15:25:11 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Think of it this way: Your explanation should not introduce more questions than answers. If it does, then you haven't explained much at all.
Skeetronic ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 15:28:37 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
If it's a ghost it comes with the assumptions of supernatural...ity, that said entity would have physical strength in our world, etc. these rules already apply to guy in costume.
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MrSlyMe ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 15:51:00 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
People in costumes are real. It's not an assumption.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:32:55 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Same amount of assumptions, only one which is inductively plausible (given that we know of people dressing up, etc.)
So Occam's razor is not applicable. It's not logic that dictates what we believe about things unknown, but our tendency to make assumptions about the future based on previous events. Read.
The term 'logic' is generally misused, especially on Reddit, to mean something congruent with past experiences, or something fitting the opinions of the individual using it. But logic tells us nothing further than what we already know for a fact. And nothing we know proves that the future will be similar to the past/present.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:04:35 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Well honestly in my opinion the "least number of assumptions" would not be a prankster in a robe.
For it to be a ghost you would have to assume that ghosts are real. You would have to assume that Hampton Court is haunted (there are multiple ghosts thought to haunt Hampton court. Many unexplained sightings. Some believe they are either Tudor family members, or Henry VIII's executed wives like the screaming lady being Catherine Howard and the gray lady being Tudor servent Sybil Penn). You would have to assume that this ghost opened and closed the doors.
for it to be a prankster
You would have to assume that someone dressed up in medieval clothing and made his way to Hampton Court without being spotted by anyone. You would have to assume that he would do this for no logical reason, and really who is he doing something so mundane for? no one is there to see him? It's not a very good prank at all. Why would someone waste their time and money with that
You would have to assume that he was able to break into Hampton Court without being noticed by any of the guards.
You would have to assume that once the alarms went off a person in full Tudor era costume was able to escape from Hampton Court without leaving a single trace behind, and without being spotted by the guards on full alert searching the property for the intruder.
You would have to assume that this prankster just so happened to find a way to avoid every other security camera except for that one on his way out since nothing else showed up on any of the other cameras.
You would have to assume that someone would be willing to do this and get away with this for three nights in a row.
I'm not saying ghosts are real, but the prankster explanation is pretty damn complicated and makes very little sense as to why someone would do that.
If we are going by least number of assumptions all you have to assume is that ghosts are real, and hampton court is haunted.
The "ghosts are real" part is why this isn't the simplest possible answer, but it is the one with the least assumptions that have to be made.
ZankerH ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 15:01:20 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
No, it's not "the most reasonable explanation", it's "the explanation that introduces the least complexity into the model". The description in layman's terms is really pretty vague and sounds ambiguous, but you have to understand Kolmogorov complexity to get its real meaning.
Put (too) simply, a guy in a costume is less contradictory to the best model of physics we have than a ghost.
Raenryong ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 14:55:28 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Strictly speaking, it's that the explanation which relies on the least number of assumptions is likely to be the correct one. This is not necessarily the same as the most simple one.
NazzerDawk ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:31:14 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Indeed, this is correct. However, the common phrasing is just a simplification.
Shaper_pmp ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 15:06:06 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
No it doesn't - Occam's Razor is a logical heuristic - doesn't necessarily have anything to do with mathematics.
"Do not multiply entities needlessly" means "do not assume that situations or causes are more complex than necessary to explain the observed phenomenon". The "entities" it's talking about are "elements required for the explanation" and "do not multiply... needlessly" means "don't invent more of them than are necessary to explain what you see".
Ie, "a dude in a medieval costume fucking around" is a pretty simple explanation, but "all of physics is wrong, ghosts exist, they can move physical objects around and this is a series of photographs of one" is a much, much more complicated explanation... and hence probably wrong.
xniinja ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:56:06 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)*
It just means that out of all the possibilities of what happened, the one with the least amount of assumptions should be selected for testing first. So in this case, what takes the least amount of assuming? That there was a prankster, or someone really got kick started back to life and started knocking on doors 700 years after his death?
Edit: a phrase.
PalermoJohn ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:32:08 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
you leave out the most important part:
...should be selected for testing first.
xniinja ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:36:53 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Okay, I fixed it.
PalermoJohn ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:29:57 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
It is used like that on the internet but it is actually not that at all and it drives me crazy.
it is just the most efficient method of following theories. you start with the simplest ones and work yourself up. that way you will end up doing the least work.
it is about efficiency and never proves anything.
DalekRy ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:33:55 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
"among competing hypotheses, the hypothesis with the fewest assumptions should be selected"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occam%27s_razor
To address mathematical applications, the similar concept is http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ontological_commitment#Ontological_parsimony.
You are getting pretty far off-topic here though.
NScorpion ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 14:52:42 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
IIRC it just means "the simplest answer". Or to most people "the more boring answer."
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 15:16:00 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
No, it means the answer with the fewest assumptions and thus, the simplest.
This is not the most "intuitive" (what people think when they hear the word "simple").
NazzerDawk ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:36:12 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Sometimes the one with fewer assumptions is more exciting, IMHO. I know this will be grounds for accusation that /r/Atheism is leaking or something, but I find the idea of emergent properties giving rise to life far more exciting than the idea of a deity, and it uses only a few very simple assumptions instead of gigantic ones.
nexuspursuit ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:11:53 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I think it's due to the specific mathematics of the argument. "Do not needlessly multiply entities." > do not compound an explanation with many more complicated and moving parts. > simplest answer is usually correct.
songs_of_spring1821 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:37:19 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I don't think half the people who use it fully understand the term. It's just Reddit's new buzz phrase. I'd say that this, too, shall pass, but...no, it probably won't.
raznog ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:47:31 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occam's_razor
I think you might be thinking of something different.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:34:20 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
It's part of probability theory, and is essentially the linguistic way to represent the conjunction fallacy.
In mathematical terms, the probability of A is always greater than or equal to the probability of A and B. And it's only "equal to" when the probability of B is 100% given A.
Puk3s ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:35:27 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Well we talked a lot about Occam's Razor in my predictive learning class and we used it to essentially mean don't scale (multiply) a learning model on too many factors as if the results are the same than the simplest one is the best because you don't want to over map the training data.
HeyZuesHChrist ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:52:10 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
People often misquote Occam's Razor. It's actually the hypothesis with the fewest assumptions should be used. Assumptions is the key word.
TylerPaul ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:52:39 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)*
Philosophically, Occam's razor is defined as the explanation with the fewest assumptions. The idea, I think, is that assumptions should not be multiplied.
People use Occams' razor as evidence of their simpler explanation being correct. I think they're using it wrong. I think it's simply a way to hold back judgment on things you don't understand and does not speak to what actually happened.
For example, your friend is late. You can assume doesn't care about being on time, or assume he was held up. Both are equal under Occams Razer. You should not assume that he got in an accident which killed his daughter and he's currently in surgery.
EDIT: I'd also like to point out that even if the car accident was true, it fell under one of the initial assumptions. So Occam's razer worked because it's about broad possibilities, not specific answers.
This is how I've come to interpret it. I can't speak to if it's correct or not.
admiralteal ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:15:02 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
The mathematical explanation can be taken literally - entities must not be multiplied unnecessarily.
X = Y + Zis a superior formula to2X = 2Y + 2Z. Or, in more simple terms, remove unnecessary terms from your argument.Outside of math (for supernatural explanations, for example), a whole host of extra premises must be entered into the 'equation'. For ghastly explanations, you must stipulate the existence of ghosts, the ability of cameras to detect ghosts, behaviors of the undead, etc. All these terms are typically unnecessary to explain how some event occurred, so this is a less desirable explanation unless you can prove that a supernatural intervention is the only way something could have occurred.
In its purest form, Occam's Razor absolutely does not stipulate that "the simplest answer is the best", in spite of the common sentiment. What it states is that an argument that still contains extra, untestable, unprovable, or unnecessary stipulations is incomplete, and that to reach completeness every premise must be succinect, correct, and necessary.
Or to use the vocabulary of logic, an argument that follows Occham's razor is sufficient while having exclusively necessary premises.
Puk3s ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:38:21 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
That really isn't a great example I think a better example would be like. X = YZ is better than X = YZ*M + 2 if the two formulas produce the same error values on the test data set. Your two formulas are literally the same.
FaerieStories ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:53:58 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Used in this context, it means 'the most simple explanation is likely the correct one'. If they are both based on speculation rather than evidence, an answer that doesn't throw up even bigger questions is intrinsically better than one that does.
PalermoJohn ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:30:56 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
no, it's not likely the correct one. it is the easiest one to verify.
FaerieStories ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:48:35 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
It's the more useful one, I should say. A sans-evidence answer that throws up even bigger questions than the question it's meant to be answering is a useless one.
PalermoJohn ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:55:00 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
that might be the case but it has nothing to do with occams razor. the problem is that it is often used dumbed down even further:
this is the easiest explanation so it must be right. source: occam.
FaerieStories ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:59:10 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
What do you mean? Yes it does.
Occam's razor (also written as Ockham's razor from William of Ockham (c. 1287 โ 1347), and in Latin lex parsimoniae) is a principle of parsimony, economy, or succinctness used in logic and problem-solving. It states that among competing hypotheses, the hypothesis with the fewest assumptions should be selected. [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occam's_razor]
A hypothesis with 'assumptions' is a hypothesis that throws up unanswered variables. And so a hypothesis with less unanswered variables is superior.
PalermoJohn ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:02:29 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, to the quick glancing reader it leaves out what you are selecting for. You are selecting for parsimony, economy, or succinctness.
You are selecting the hypothisis that is easiest to test so you will do the least amount of work. It doesn't mean you select it to be right.
FaerieStories ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:06:02 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Ok, that makes sense.
In the case of many supernatural claims, a hypothesis is often given which is unfalsifiable. In which case, it's not just 'a lot of work' - it's un-testable (and so, effectively useless).
PalermoJohn ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:10:12 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, I just find that people on the internet love to use occam to prove things to be right. and many people understand this rule as such, which is scientifically insane.
PhilHit ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:05:40 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
It doesn't have anything to do with division and multiplication. Occam's proverbial "Razor" is the razor that shaves off unnecessary fluff from the subject. Just as when you've shaved off the unnecessary hair, your face becomes clear, when you shave off unnecessary assumptions, the most likely answer becomes clear.
ChiefLikesCake ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:06:30 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Given competing explanations use the one with the fewest (and/or simplest) assumptions that doesn't sacrifice explanatory power. In this case you can either assume that a man survived for 700 years or you can assume it's an actor.
eyebrows360 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 14:54:42 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
wat
IAmAPhoneBook ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:03:37 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
The explanation with the least assumptions should be favored.
We don't know that ghosts exist, yet we are quite certain that costumes do.
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 14:58:04 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Occam's Razor is more of a guide then a hard set rule.
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[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:09:42 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
While that makes me look like a bit of an idiot, it also just furthers the point as to why there would be someone dressed up in medieval garb. Overenthusiastic cosplayer or something.
Kradiant ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:41:16 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Especially since the palace is infamous for being haunted. It's very likely a publicity stunt.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:09:31 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
A ghost!
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:16:15 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Some renaissance fair person was having fun.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:16:25 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I also like Hume's quote: "... no testimony is sufficient to establish a miracle, unless the testimony be of such a kind, that its falsehood would be more miraculous, than the fact, which it endeavors to establish."
malachre ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:26:05 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Right, ghosts. ...Right?
UrbanCobra ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:48:55 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
And it was so sloppy. Open both doors, try to close both at the same time but only close one, close the one the stayed open and the previously closed door opens back up, scramble to close it. If that's a ghost, it's the ghost of a clumsy, bumbling idiot.
mycroftxxx42 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:08:16 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Check the local SCA and convention schedules for the time of filming.
ZacharyCallahan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:09:28 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
in a bank?
juststylz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:54:34 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
It's on the ghost right....?
tippers ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:14:55 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
This isn't a hotel. It's Hampton Court Palace, a former Tudor Palace which is now a museum. It has pretty tight security and is empty at night, hence the commentator's surprise.
I've actually been there before. It's beautiful but does have an eerie feeling to it.
AnotherAccountt ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:27:08 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Did you make the exact same comment on Youtube? If not, that is some supernatural shit.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:33:26 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Nope that imarchello guy totally copied my shit.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:37:06 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Uh, what is more likely?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:03:32 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Well, a medeival ghost would have less of an understanding of fire doors than someone in a costume, and therefore would have to investigate them more.
TheGreatChatsby ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:51:21 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Holy shit, then Occam's Razor scientifically concludes that it must be a fucking medieval ghost messing around with fire doors.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:02:24 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I'm 99.9% sure Hampton Court was not converted into a hotel. The palace is an important piece of English history. I don't think it can be considered a hotel.
A prankster is far from the best answer if you want to use Occam's Razor.
For people that don't believe in ghosts, they may not believe this is the ghost of Henry VIII, but someone doing that in the video makes absolutely no sense at all
It is not a simple explanation at all. It has a ton of assumptions. It actually has more assumptions than assuming "ghosts are real", "hampton court is haunted", and "this was a ghost"
Hampton Court is famous for its supposed hauntings. There have been multiple sightings by various people. There is the Screaming Lady thought to be Henry VIII's executed wife Catherine Howard, and the Gray Lady thought to be the Tudor's longtime servant Sybil Penn. The Tudor monarchs lived there, and they all had some pretty interesting reigns. Full of a good bit of death, plagues, martyrdom, religious turmoil, adultery, incest, torture of treasonous individuals (you should read up on what they did to people convicted of high treason. It was pretty brutal. They were dragged by a horse to a scaffold. Hanged until they were almost dead. Cut free right before they died. Stripped naked. Had their dicks cut off. Made to watch as their bowels and organs were cut out of their body piece by piece. Once they finally died they were beheaded, and cut into 4 pieces to be put on display in the 4 corners of england. Sometimes they'd flay the person, or burn them too. the tudors didn't fuck around with treason.) and of course some good old fashioned political executions. If you haven't already, I recommend you check out The Tudors tv series. It's like Game of Thrones, but with England. It even has the same actress playing the manipulative Queen Anne Boelyn that stole the king away from his original bethrothed that also played the manipulative Margaret Tyrell set to marry King Geoffery, after getting Cersi Stark ousted as the King's fiance in game of thrones. Natalie Dormer is great at playing manipulative queen ho figures. She's also pretty hot. There is a ton of sex in the show that make it super uncomfortable to watch with your parents (just a warning). You should watch the Tudors
anyways, I got off topic.
Here is what would've had to happen for this to be a prankster
First off you have to wonder why someone would pull a "prank" like this by themselves for no real reason, but at the risk of being arrested. What is the point of this prank? There is none. There is no payoff. If he wanted to break into the palace and explore, then why dress up in the outfit?
He would've had to have made his way to the estate of Hampton Court in the middle of London in full Tudor era costume without being spotted by anyone.
He would've had to find a way to break into the palace without tripping the alarms. There are guards patrolling all around the estate
He would've had stealthfully and skillfully sneak through the palace so no one, and no other cameras would pick him up.
He somehow finds a way to open the doors without actually touching them for no reason. He then walks up, shuts them, opens a bit, and shuts them again setting off the alarm in the process.
He somehow escapes from the palace and estate without leaving a trace of physical evidence behind, and without getting picked up on any other cameras besides the one in the video (no security cams in Hampton COurt picked up anyone dressed like that coming or going. And they didn't pick up anyone in that area). He finds a way to avoid all the cameras, while at the same time avoiding the security guards that are now on full alert trying to find the intruder since the alarms are going off.
He is able to escape Hampton Court back into London with Tudor robes on and no one sees him.
The only evidence he leaves behind is the alarm he tripped, and the footage picked up by that one camera.
This prankster did this "prank" for some strange reason not one, not TWO, but THREE nights in a row.
Each time without getting caught, without being seen coming or going, without being picked up on any of the cameras, and without leaving a trace of physical evidence behind besides the video and tripped alarm
Occam's Razor is really not a good thing to use if you're trying to say it was a prankster.
I'm not saying ghosts are real, but you are writing off something you think is absurd in favor of an explanation that makes absolutely no logical sense for someone to do, and would be very very difficult to pull off in the way it was done. THREE NIGHTS IN A ROW.
Prankster is not the simplest answer at all. You have to assume a ton of stuff to be able to say it was a prankster.
For it to be a ghost you only have to assume ghosts are real, the court is haunted, and the ghost of someone from the Tudor era opened and closed these doors 3 nights in a row.
Most people can't get over the "ghosts are real" hurdle, so they think that Occam's Razor can be used in a case like this to say it wasn't a ghost. Really though, it takes some pretty complicated explanations and some pretty illogical behavior for that to happen in that way.
If you simplify this down a whole bunch, then yeah it would seem like one thing is much more likely than the other, but if you actually look deeper into it the thing that seemed like the obvious explanation at first isn't so obvious.
For the record I don't believe in ghosts, but reading over the stuff about those 3 nights, and about Hampton Court's reputation I can't really say some prankster is a simple explanation.
In the spirit of the thread we are in, at least keep an open mind about things instead of immediately dismissing it because you think it's impossible.
tl;dr: yeahh, I'm going to have to disagree with you using occam's razor in this case. Each theory is pretty damn complicated, and unlikely.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:27:41 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
What you're saying would be a compelling argument. If in fact ghosts were real. They are not. Crazy people in costumes sneaking into castles, while HIGHLY unlikely and unusual, are very much in the realm of possibility. Shit, doesn't even have to be that. Maybe a security guard got really fucking bored or something.
bearrwitness ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:09:08 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
The reason why there was a big fuss, is because they don't have people "dress up in medieval costume" there. Also that section of the castle was not accessible to the public.
zeppelyn ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:58:17 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I watched a tv show recently that kind of debunked the idea that it was a person. One thing they approached was the fact that the doors "appear" to open by themselves, like literally open in one frame. They tested the idea that it was someone who'd thrown them open and the framerate of the camera missed them. However, they could not do it where the doors ended up fully open due to them being quite heavy and because of the fire door push-bar opening mechanism would mean that the person pretty much had to be in the middle of the doors to get both to open simultaneously. I'll try and find a link if people are interested.
OriginalityIsDead ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:45:15 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Oh hey, I saw your Youtube comment of the exact same thing. Don't just come here to be a buzzkill, if you don't believe then that's fine, but don't ruin the spook-thread for the rest of us by being a party pooper. I mean, if you choose to go through and find every reason why everything here is fake, then why view the thread at all?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:18:16 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I didn't comment on the Youtube video of this. Anyways, I'm just saying that a ghost seems improbable. But if you check out the other comments in the thread, you will see me steadfastly defending the existence of Bigfoot- so there's that.
OriginalityIsDead ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:08:55 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
If you did not comment on the Youtube video, then you copied one of the comments made by user imarchello almost word for word, it's far too similar to be coincidental. And we all realize that it's improbable, nobody here is saying that it must be a ghost, but going through and systematically trying to debunk or deny the possibility of the supernatural, like so many commenters here are doing, kind of ruins the mood. It's a creepy thread, it's obviously going to be a bit farfetched, that doesn't mean we can't all just enjoy the novelty and suspend our disbelief for a moment.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:47:35 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
No, iamarchell copied me, actually. People will believe what they want to believe, regardless of what those who disagree with them say. In this very thread I'm having people try and tell me how the Patterson-Gimlin film is faked and bigfoot isn't real and while they make what seem like valid points, it doesn't sway me in my belief that whatever is in that video was a bigfoot. Much the same way that me saying a cosplayer in a castle fucking with doors is a more likely explanation than a ghost. If they believe it's a ghost, my saying it probably isn't won't detract from that.
OriginalityIsDead ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:50:28 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
It doesn't detract from their belief, but it detracts from the thread. It's getting overly-repetitive, and there's no sense trying argue against the validity of something without hard evidence to show such in a thread that's dedicated to creepy, possibly supernatural occurrences. It's just senseless, you're not saying anything that we don't already realize, saying it blatantly just makes you look like a buzzkill. "Occam's Razor. Pareidolia. Flares. Dust on the lens." All said over and over a hundred times in this thread. And for what? To feel right? To ruin other people's fun? To be dickishly skeptical? Everyone realizes that it's most probably not real, by adding onto the skeptic circle-jerk going on here, you look just as much a buzzkill as them.
There's no point in arguing possible ways that this was faked, just let people have their fun, dude. You don't need to be a dick about it and try to disprove everything as a hoax, some people like looking at blatantly fake things and enjoying their spook-factor. You don't go to a haunted house and explain to everyone walking through that the wolf-man is actually just a man in a suit, acting like a scary monster, or the cobwebs are actually just decorations and weren't really made by spiders. People understand that, they're just trying to have fun and suspend their disbelief for a second. There's no need to point out the likelihood of it all being fake.
jguess06 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:03:36 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I use Occam's razor at least once a day every day. I think of a young version of myself watching Contact and having Matthew Mcconaughey explain it. So simple yet makes so much sense.
shutyourgob ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:52:50 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I love how Occam's Razor now means "I don't want to consider any supernatural answers because it doesn't fit in with my belief system so I'll just cover my ears thanks".
WillRe ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 14:54:36 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I watched a program that debunked this one. That style of clothing is an amalgamation of historical costume, with some bits from Elizabethan times and some items from much earlier. It's likely then that it was just a prankster.
Nyxalith ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:05:01 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Thank you, this is what I was just about to point out. If you actually study historical fashion, it is easy to see that this is a very modern costume. it has elements spanning about 300 years of fashion. It would be like someone wearing a hoop skirt, a crop riding jacket, and an ironic t-shirt today.
risunokairu ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:32:38 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Don't rag on my style, man
meldyr ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 14:41:35 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
It's an excellent prankster anyway. But not sure if the prankster was a ghost or a guy in a costume.
rippedapartbybadgers ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 14:38:35 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I think this was proved to be a prank some time ago. Turns out was one of the staff in costume, messing about.
pylon567 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 15:05:18 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Need a source on that.
rippedapartbybadgers ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:29:43 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I heard about it on some tv programme, but here is a link saying the same thing. http://www.prweb.com/releases/2004/01/prweb96478.htm
latecraigy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:25:06 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
You are correct. Proven many years ago.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:56:44 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
How would a prank be "proved"?
rippedapartbybadgers ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:35:47 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Its fairly obvious, even to an idiot such as myself, that it is a person opening those doors. Five minutes studying that tape, other people came up with the same conclusion. Pretty sure a ghost wouldn't know how to open a fire door.
baskandpurr ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:48:33 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
By 'messing about' you mean getting free publicity.
rippedapartbybadgers ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:00:24 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I don't think Hampton Court needs free publicity..
gloria_snockers ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:46:27 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
He would have made if it wasn't for those meddling kids.
johnnymo1 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:08:38 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Oh man... actual proof that there was an SCA event in that building!
dkl415 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 14:41:54 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0108500/
http://ia.media-imdb.com/images/M/MV5BMjAzNzAxMDE4Ml5BMl5BanBnXkFtZTcwMTE0MjgzMg@@._V1_SX640_SY720_.jpg
malachre ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:26:56 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I liked that movie. Way better then the unnecessary remake.
dkl415 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:38:19 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Yes. I can only imagine they already had the script, but Americans didn't want to read subtitles, so they remade the exact film in English.
malachre ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:25:14 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
It's way different though. The original was a bit darker and the humor was less childish. They hollywooded it.
dkl415 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:47:05 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Hm. It's been about 20 years since I saw the French one and 15 since I saw the American one. I may have to rewatch them.
malachre ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:59:07 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
perfect time with the sequel coming out next year.
dkl415 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:00:40 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
... is there really a sequel?
Holy crap!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Les_Visiteurs#Sequels
There was a 2nd one, plus the American remake, plus a 3rd in the French series!
WeightGloves ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:36:15 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Sorry to burst your bubble but there was are cent tv show about the paranormal that went around debunking misteries, this was one of them.
The clothing it is wearing comes from a variety of time periods (neck ruffage, shirt, etc) which is pretty conclusive that it is fake, also the fact that the female presenter managed to open the doors from the inside without being seen.
OnespeedOnegear ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:59:29 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
After 700 years you would think they could operate doors a bit better
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:51:49 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
That link was taken from the Richard and Judy show, which wont mean a lot to many people on here, but let me assure you they are not a world authority on things related to supernatural.
Ninjaisawesome ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:26:00 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I watched a documentary on this and it turned out it was just a employee being a tit. I don't have a source so take that with a pinch of salt.
sashimi_taco ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:33:47 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
It was probably some larper who accidentally pulled the fire alarm.
CubeyJoe ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:53:29 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
This is around the corner from me, can confirm it's legit.
They do ghost tours now, if you're in the UK it's well worth a trip down.
davesterist ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:01:58 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
That guy must be pissed. The doors keep opening after he closes them.
RegularWhiteShark ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:30:23 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
This has been posted in another comment and as I said then, it was debunked. A program in the UK about supernatural mysteries was aired recently and they proved how they could open the doors without being seen and then 'appear' and close them. Also the outfit is historically inaccurate, a mix of clothing worn over several centuries.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:29:28 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Would ghosts even have clothes on of you saw them?
dontgoatsemebro ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:35:08 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Step 1: Put on dressing-gown
Step 2: Open door
Step 3: Close door
Step 4: Histories Greatest Prankster
TDNR ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:01:24 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
This was in a Ripley's Believe It Or Not book that I had as a child.
Wisex ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:27:28 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Or a 700 year old ghost
haychbee ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 14:35:22 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Wow, that was seriously the most convincing thing you've ever seen?
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 14:40:00 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Ghostception - A ghost closing the doors for another ghost that keeps opening them, soon a ghost CCTV camera will join in on the fun
C_Rodriguez_96 ยท 56 points ยท Posted at 17:32:13 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
This was just recent. A bunch of hikers were going through the woods in Bulgaria and one of them saw this and managed to get a shot of it:
http://www.novinite.com/media/images/2012-07/photo_verybig_141259.jpg
OptimuPrimes ยท 44 points ยท Posted at 18:35:11 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Classic bulgarian forest UFOYeti.
SuperTate ยท 67 points ยท Posted at 18:42:27 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
That doesn't look remotely real
Ramv36 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:45:27 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I agree. Not enough buttons to be a remote.
Mitz510 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:25:39 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Looks like those aliens from Scary Movie 3.
MonkeyTwaddle ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:43:47 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Bullshit. None of the other hikers are paying any attention to it. They all have their heads down as they continue their walk. wouldn't whoever took the photo alert them of the creepy apparition and tell them not to walk towards the damn thing?
TheDroopy ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 21:14:07 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
That picture isn't verybig at all
Poromenos ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 20:05:12 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
And they couldn't walk the 10 meters to see what it was? Took the photo then bailed, that's it?
C_Rodriguez_96 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:26:28 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
The article said it vanished after they took the picture
[deleted] ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 21:53:14 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
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TomPalmer1979 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 01:00:45 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
No but those are highly populated areas if you're hiding from humans for one reason or another, in the middle of bumfuck nowhere, deep in the woods where no human being should be for hundreds of miles, and suddenly there's a group of the little bastards heading right for you, you're probably going to whip your head around to look at them and go "PEOPLE?! Oh shit! I gotta get out of here!"
S_Nickels ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:44:01 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I always lose my TV Remote... Do I have ghosts?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:59:26 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
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Chucklebuck ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:11:05 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
It seems you have a dose of a freaky ghost.
You know who to call.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:05:10 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
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archiearcher ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:07:24 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
You have ghosts, but you don't have to have fat ghosts.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:39:23 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
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archiearcher ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:16:55 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Summon Biggie Smalls and have him check them out. Just be weary of East Coast - West Coast beef. You don't wanna Spook War going on in your house.
Arkanin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:22:43 on January 13, 2014 ยท (Permalink)*
I hate to reply to a comment almost a month old but I'm 100% sure that the photo is not altered, it's just pareidolia, mistaking a face for something that's not a face, and the photo is legit, just not supernatural.
The reason is, I didn't initially see the "face", which is just an unusual pattern of branches among many tree branches above it. And I immediately was confused because I thought "This makes no sense, all I see are saplings and a shrubbery".
The saplings and shrubbery don't look like a body at all until you see the "face". Our brains are very very creative and they fill in details when they see a face. But you can prevent it from tricking you by opening the picture, and using your thumb, covering up the "face" part. Do you see the saplings and the shrubbery?
Now that you see the saplings and the shrubbery remove your thumb. The "face" is clearly a pattern in tree branches in the distance, see it too?
It also explains why the one hiker panicked, and said later it immediately disappeared. He took a picture of some branches, shrubberies and saplings from an unfortunate angle, and then, well, since it was all just ordinary plant life, the mysterious figure disappeared.
jessticless ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:46:08 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Well if a group of people was walking towards you, you'd probably look at them
karmavorous ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:38:46 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
That's totally a Tusseladd.
RobbyHawkes ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:04:10 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
A young one, too - it's only got one head.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:36:54 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Oh shit an alien! Quick Mark, pull out your 0.1 megapixel camera!
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:25:18 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
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CatMode ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:55:39 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
What the fuck. Princess mononoke?
JackJackington ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:22:18 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Do you have another link? It says Firefox can't find the server www.novinite.com
C_Rodriguez_96 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:38:03 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
See if this one works:
http://beforeitsnews.com/beyond-science/2013/11/tall-grey-alien-photographed-by-hikers-in-bulgarian-forest-2444250.html
JackJackington ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:44:11 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Cheers
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:13:05 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I like how part of the name for it is "photoverybig" and it's really not.
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 19:29:20 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)*
http://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/1sv39b/serious_what_in_your_opinion_is_the_most/ce1jwdz
similar object/person in this very same thread. I am not saying that its bad that you found this. I am just very curious if those have a connection..
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:57:58 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
....In a thread, just like this one...
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 22:51:31 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
i guess people didnt understand what i meant with that.
grubas ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 17:34:37 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I grew up in an old house, creaking everywhere, waking up in the night with sweats or goosebumps, thinking you see eyes everywhere, etc. The year before my parents moved every single Christmas picture had a lens flare obscuring half the picture that looked like a smoke outline of a person. Every single room, every single angle, every single floor. My mum deleted all the pictures and my GF and I got scared, we joked about the house being haunted and the ghosts not wanting them to leave the night before.
This was second to seeing a floating will o'wisp in the woods at 2AM in the middle of nowhere Adirondacks on a barely marked trail. Woke up when my sister's dog started whimpering, stepped out of the tent with a hatchet, and a Ka-Bar strapped to my belt, a flashlight and a Mosin ready to load to complete silence, seeing a light floating towards me from the woods. I called out repeatedly, set up my lantern by my tent and wandered towards the light. The dog bolted out of my tent and started pulling my pants and crying, at that point I freaked the fuck out and spent the night huddled next to a Husky clutching my hatchet whimpering with each other. I saw that dog stand up to bears, moose, a pack of coyotes(though he may have remembered the time I nearly broke a coyote in half when he was a pup), if he was afraid I wasn't going to mess around.
blerpydo ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 18:04:24 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Ball lightning?
grubas ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:31:56 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
That was the first guess, but it was a clear night and was weaving through the trees, and ball lightning is so strange anyway. I was intrigued, but once the dog freaked out I wasn't going to fuck with it.
blerpydo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:41:54 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Swamp gas
grubas ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 20:45:47 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
WHY WON'T YOU BELIEVE SCULLY!
blerpydo ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:48:58 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Mr burns
grubas ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:25:37 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
That explains why he glows in the dark!
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 00:30:22 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
The story with your dog is really interesting. I doubt a husky would have become terrified by ball lightning. Is this dog frightened by regular lightning?
grubas ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:28:41 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
No, he is one crazy dog, he never freaked out before and hasn't again, I don't even need to have him on a lead while hiking, he will wander but comes right back if I call. If I wasn't 15 miles from my car I would have ran back, it was the one time he woke me up crying and going insane in my tent. Once a Husky freaks out I am going to hide.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 01:31:20 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
THis story is one of the most interesting to me on this entire thread, because of the reaction your dog had. A husky like you describe wouldn't freak out over nothing, IMO. You're smart for taking his 'advice' that night.
grubas ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:47:15 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)*
That was my thought process. I hunt, hike, bike, camp, climb etc. but have never had that happen before. I turned my lights off, hugged my pointy objects and petted the dog, I would have walked straight out unless he told me to GTFO. Once the woods go silent and a well-trained dog starts pulling you away, run, run and hide. I mean he will sit there and waggle his tail at me when my friend and I shoot, we sat out one night hitting possums that were killing chickens and he would woof at us before fetching the kills. The only thing I've ever seen him run away from is my GF's cat. He fucking charged a pack of coyotes once when they growled at our hike group. To this day my sister will not accept the fact that her dog and I charged coyotes screaming/barking/growling while I was brandishing a flaming stick and a Ka-Bar.
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 18:44:57 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Idk about most convincing, but my friends captured the figure on the left in a graveyard a few weekends ago. The picture to the right is of the same tree the next night from the same angle. I posted it on a few different subs if you look at my post history http://i.imgur.com/O2ckpen.jpg?1
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 21:45:10 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I saw this ufo in Niagara Falls back in 2009 it hovered above the lights for over an hour, even the mayor was confused about it there are various videos from various angles http://youtu.be/2CdOvjhPK1Q
jadedblu ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 07:09:51 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
The "ghost in my apartment" guy. His videos are pretty convincing to me. http://www.youtube.com/attribution_link?u=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3D_EkxpKConPk%26feature%3Dshare&a=e8kynjJwVC4KdXNb-yhang
LyleChipperson1 ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 16:50:25 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
http://acidcow.com/pics/7602-best-ghost-pictures-ever-taken-26-pics.html
Number 16 on this list. I find it fascinating, I first saw it on a TV show here in the UK and it has freaked me out ever since.
robertmapplethorpes ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:04:03 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Holy shit, I've never seen that one before.
LyleChipperson1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:59:42 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I know. When I seen it I was like 8 getting ready for school and it scared the shit out of me for years.
thumbyyy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:13:02 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I want to look, and yet I do not...
LyleChipperson1 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:16:44 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
It's not too scary Thumbyy it's 6/10 scary. It's more scary with knowing how she died (Well who they think it is)
catdisease ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:10:02 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Do you have more information about how she died? There is no reference on that page. Thanks
LyleChipperson1 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:48:04 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Well what they told people on that TV show was that she was a farmers helper/wife in like 1700-1800. Apparently they found out that the farmer had said something to make her angry and in a fit of rage she threw a farmers tool up in the air and it came back down and got her right in the head. That's what I heard
rejoventud ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:50:58 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
25 isn't even halfway convincing. His "shirt" is the exact same color as the windshield frame. It's clearly just a reflection that happens to look like a person.
LyleChipperson1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:05:21 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah exact same collar aswell. Some websites are just lazy thinking "oh well if the guy taking the photo says so....."
[deleted] ยท 78 points ยท Posted at 16:46:21 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)*
This will probably get buried, but I'll post it anyway: The last footage taken of Canadian tourist Elisa Lam alive, acting very strange in an LA hotel elevator's CCTV footage
More info:
Lamโs final moments were caught on the elevator security camera of the hotel. The footage Iโm linking you to was taken moments before her death. In it youโll see Lam acting very strangely. Mind you no drugs or alcohol was found in her system at all. She appears to be running from or hiding from someone, or something. Most perplexing about the video is that the door stays open the entire time, nearly four minutes. Then Lam contorts into some really frightening way that has to be seen to really be described and the elevator doors shut. Then open and shut several times before the video ends. Watch the video and then Iโll tell you about how this story gets even stranger.
EDIT: Removed the word "murdered" from the link, as that was not the case.
thewiremother ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 17:39:11 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
She sort of looks like shes on acid.
[deleted] ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 19:10:16 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Here in this article it says that she was previously diagnosed as bipolar. She may have had a psychotic episode related to her condition, or maybe she was misdiagnosed as bipolar.
Anrikay ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 20:16:40 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I have bipolar, and that looks a lot like a psychotic episode. She gets into the elevator, which is a somewhat scary place. One exit, very little visibility of the hallway, very vulnerable. Then, it doesn't work. So she's stuck now. She doesn't want to leave, but she can't stay there. She peeks out into the hallway. With her anxiety already up, there is a good chance of her seeing a distortion or hearing something. She steps back into the elevator, which still hasn't moved. She pushes more buttons and it still won't work. With each thing that goes wrong, her anxiety builds. When she steps back in the hall, and is seen gesturing, it could easily be a self-calming motion. Talking to yourself, with gestures, saying "It's not real. It will all be okay. Just try to relax."
shamoni ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:02:15 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Damn. Why did the fucking lift not work at that time? It's unfortunate. Almost as much as a bipolar being left alone in a city. She shouldn't have been travelling on her own.
Anrikay ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:29:49 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Dude, being bipolar doesn't make someone a delicate little snowflake. Medication and education would have saved her here, not a 24/7 caretaker.
onrocketfalls ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:02:04 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I've also never heard of someone's bipolar disorder causing them to go all Mission Impossible to drown themselves.
Anrikay ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:19:11 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Most people only hear about the mood swings and anxiety part of it, but severe bipolar is characterized by psychotic episodes. Manic episodes, in particular, often end in someone being committed for a short period of time. They can be as little as hearing something, or extreme paranoia, delusions, hallucinations, etc. It's different for everyone.
onrocketfalls ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:00:34 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Damn. I didn't know it could go as far as making you hallucinate. It's a lot scarier of a disorder than I thought. I can't imagine depression and hallucinations/delusions mix well.
[deleted] ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 16:55:53 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:02:29 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, she's definitely hallucinating. If she was communicating with someone or something, or if she was scared of someone, she would be looking in the same direction the entire time. She's flailing and holding her hands over her ears when she comes back to the elevator, which suggests that she's also hearing voices. The elevator malfunction is probably just a coincidence.
[deleted] ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 19:35:19 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Or a trigger.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:20:05 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Probably both.
capnwinky ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 18:09:35 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Does it come as no surprise that mental illness is pretty damned hard to find with an autopsy? Any psychiatrist worth their salt would tell you that her entire range of body motions and visible/reported behaviors were all perfectly in line with schizophrenia.
TheDroopy ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 21:12:25 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Well... yeah, but her body had been decomposing for two weeks when they found it....
peanutkid ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 18:49:09 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I've seen this video. How does the story get stranger?
[deleted] ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 19:45:42 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
You can google it for more info, but from the article I linked to:
Not saying I believe all of it, just saying it's freaky, in the spirit of this thread.
peanutkid ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 19:53:53 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Wow, that is freaky
anonmeous ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:39:13 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I hadn't heard of this until just now. Probably spent the past hour or so reading about this incident, so thanks for the link! I just feel so bad for her, no matter what happened.
Jack_Burton_Express ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 19:49:17 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
It appears she is having a nervous breakdown, with her history of mental illness and all. The strange behavior of the elevator and her extremely unnatural arm movements are pretty creepy however.
[deleted] ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 16:58:14 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I don't see her contorting at all. It looks like she's drunk and messing about with the lift while she waits for someone. Someone definitely got away with killing that girl - she must have been murdered - but it's not supernatural. It's weird that the lift doors took so long to close - even with her walking in and out but of course we can't say if that's unusual for that lift. it might have a 'hold' button.
89rovi ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 19:14:27 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
The part where she's standing just outside the elevator, she's pressing the button on the wall outside the elevator, but we can't see because she's partially blocked from view.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 17:42:02 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
No drugs or alcohol in her body, autopsy results.
[deleted] ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 17:49:21 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, I was just saying it LOOKED like she was drunk. Actually the girl was mentally ill with a history of psychotic episodes and was probably talking to a hallucination.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:20:58 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:25:43 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
'Lieutenant Fred Corral told The Huffington Post B.C. that the cause of death was, "accidental due to drowning, other significant conditions: bipolar disorder."' http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2013/06/20/elisa-lam-death-accidental_n_3474116.html
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 19:29:28 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I was referring to the part where you said a history of psychotic episodes.
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 21:45:46 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
/u/spellingmistake got owned, to a no response. That is typical when an "intelligent" person is proven wrong, they simply don't acknowledge it.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 05:38:38 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Well, to be fair, you didn't even get his name correct.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:42:33 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Well I'll be damned.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:32:56 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
It's definitely strange, no matter what. Not sure that the elevator doors would keep opening and closing if it was on hold. And it seems to start functioning well again after she wanders off. I'm just saying, it's weird and creepy, like everything else in the thread - not guaranteed supernatural. "most convincing" is not "beyond a shadow of a doubt" - it's a fairly low threshold when it comes to supernatural stuff - just needs to be more MORE convincing than 95% of the trash on YouTube.
Really? She doesn't look terrified to you, just drunk and faffing about? You would be an awesome detective.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:44:50 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
what about her behaviour suggest's terrified? She looks ready to jump out and surprise someone when she hides in the corner, she casually stands in the hallway and leans against the wall while she waits, she's not looking out for anyone coming when she's fiddling the the buttons, she's not really even hurrying. If you saw that tape without knowing she was going to end up dead you would think that was just someone - a bit over excited - waiting for a friend. And in that ending she does just wander off - if she had been scared and had decided the lift was the wrong place to hide or wasn't going to take her to safety afterall she would surely have run?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:41:54 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)*
You and I saw different things, I guess. She seems very frightened to me, from very early on when she quickly darts out of the elevator to look right quickly, then left, then jump back in the elevator, then cram in to the corner... that is not what I'm doing when I'm waiting for a friend. That and her posture, stance, and demeanor, it all seemed less than casual to me.
I suppose she could be waiting a friend (though she was traveling alone at the time), but the fact that she was found dead not long after suggests to me that it probably wasn't playful.
As for why she doesn't sprint off in the video, we can't see what is happening there. None of it adds up very well to me, which is why it creeped me out so much. I guess it struck you differently.
NormativeTruth ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:42:39 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Someone who's scared, tenses up. Look at her body. She is the very opposite of tense.
NormativeTruth ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 01:03:41 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
As someone with anxiety, no, she doesn't seem scared at all. She's arsing about. She actually seems very relaxed.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:55:01 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Someone above claiming to be bipolar said that this video resembled a psychotic episode, so I don't know what to believe.
NormativeTruth ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 02:21:23 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Could be. She's surely acting interestingly. Might be drunk, high, having an episode or ... just be bored and arsing about.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:25:26 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
When I first heard of this case I did a fair bit of reading up on it and there are lots and lots of strange coincidences, it's quite baffling when you think about it. I can't remember the specifics but there were a few similarities to some Japanese(?) film in which a girl with a similar name gets into an elevator that doesn't function correctly and ends up dying in a water tower of a (similar named) hotel.
There was also something to do with her name being an acronym of something or other.
It is really bizarre but ultimately I think they're all coincidences and the girl was mentally ill, perhaps she had watched that film herself and being a paranoid schizophrenic she believed the movie was about her or something, making her want to go to that similar named hotel and get up on the roof and get into the water.
Also people claim (because the hotel staff claimed) that it is not possible to gain access to the roof because the door is locked and also alarmed, however there is a video on youtube of some guy speaking a different language who goes to that hotel to investigate and he too is able to gain access to the roof (the door is unlocked and not alarmed) and he also climbs up onto the water tower.
Merari01 ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 17:09:20 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Probably not supernatural, but creepy nonetheless. It fits reality more to assume that it was someone who worked at the hotel that stalked and murdered her than that it was something hereto completely unknown.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:44:26 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I don't get how the case was closed by the cops saying 'oh yeah she was probably bipolar or something'. Really? No history of mental illnesses and no use of drugs known, and that's all they say?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:35:13 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I remember viewing the girls' tumblr page, I'm assuming it's still accessible if you do some googling. IIRC her tumblr posts were indeed quite strange.
Merari01 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:09:41 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, that is odd. I think someone got away with murder here.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:41:32 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
So what's up with the freaky jazzy hands
edit: and this stuff from /u/classlessjerk's comment-
Merari01 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:42:57 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I have no idea. Could she have been drugged?
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:58:55 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
They did a autopsy and no drugs were found. From what they could tell, she was perfectly healthy, with nothing mentionable in her system. (It was linked higher up in the thread.)
Merari01 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 22:02:19 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, but she was in water for some time. Some types of drugs are untraceable after a while. Or maybe she was just really nervous and freaked out because of the creepy guy stalking her.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:44:20 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:57:29 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
That's actually a good point - I shouldn't have said "murdered" in the OP. I will edit to reflect the change. Thanks.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:37:47 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:30:24 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Well tell me some more, but not gonna lie that video is really strange. Like is trying to scare somebody away or what? And what's up with the elevator?
Sikktwizted ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:45:01 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Good god I despise when people say "this will probably get buried but". Just post your shit and move on, jesus.
chuckaholic ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 22:39:40 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
http://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/1sv39b/serious_what_in_your_opinion_is_the_most/ce1s3rj
DankPanties ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 18:48:02 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
The best "ghost photos" I've seen have been taken by the recently departed Tom Halstead.
His first paranormal photo was taken accidentally while he was photographing a hotwater heater he'd recently installed in his basement: http://www.paranormaltaskforce.com/images/Tom_Pics/basementghost03_.jpg
My personal favorite of his was this one: http://www.ghost-story.co.uk/index.php/ghost-photos/184-abandoned-house-ghost-photo-missouri-usa Notice the glow rebounds off edges of the window and wall. I have seen the negative for this photograph, it is indeed real. This photo exists in higher resolutions if you search the internet.
He won an award for a photo he took at Waverly Hills sanatorium: http://www.paranormaltaskforce.com/WaverlyPhoto.html I have seen this photo in far greater resolution as well as the actual negatives. This photo is real. Again, search google or whatever and you will find higher resolutions of it.
More information on Tom Halstead: http://www.paranormaltaskforce.com/tom.html
LeonChestnut ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 09:32:21 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
oh for fucks sake... basementghost03_.jpg aka "Green Lurch" picture is absolutely ridiculous.
Patrice_B ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 00:03:13 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)*
So I'm suppose to believe one guy has taken 4 separate ghost photos. Nothing fishy there...
vogueadishu ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:14:53 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
My thoughts exactly.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:04:59 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
So that's two SyFy channel appearances and a Maury Povich guest appearance. If those aren't legit credentials, I don't know what would be.
Patrice_B ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:08:01 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Haha that's awesome
sinbysilence ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:55:52 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I live pretty close to Waverly Hills. Pretty popular haunted spot. I've never been because apparently, without certain permission/approval, you can't just waltz on through (though some people do). I've been invited to go a few times, but I'm a big baby. So there's that. Lol
NymeraZ53 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:40:01 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I went about a year ago, i had a pretty good time, got to spend an extended amount of time on the roof due to idiots getting lost and the building is beautiful in a morbid sort of way. definitely should check it out
sinbysilence ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:52:37 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I just know my friends. I'm easily scared and my friends are assholes. Lol
NymeraZ53 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:08:25 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I'm the same way
pumpmar ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:45:03 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
oh...slenderman
craze4ble ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:10:11 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Having the negative of it doesn't mean it's real. With the proper technique, you can manipulate the negatives during development.
[deleted] ยท 29 points ยท Posted at 16:09:35 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
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leontes ยท 1208 points ยท Posted at 14:02:55 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
The similarities between this ancient mandala and the sound on a tonoscope are pretty compelling.
subud123 ยท 524 points ยท Posted at 14:17:17 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
to save you a wikipedia run: " With the tonoscope, quartz sand is spread onto a black drum membrane which is 60 cm in diameter. The membrane is set into vibrations by singing rather loudly through a cardboard pipe. The sand now produces complex symmetrical forms, known as Chladni patterns named after Ernst Chladni who discovered this phenomenon in 1787. Low tones result in rather simple and clear pictures, while higher tones form more complex structures"
Jimmyjam1979 ยท 300 points ยท Posted at 14:42:18 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Here is a video of some Chladni patterns taking form over a speaker playing different frequencies:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nO0bSSXmr1A
mustnt_wear_pants ยท 40 points ยท Posted at 15:14:03 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
The coolest thing I've seen in a long time. Deserves it's own post
LordOfTurtles ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 17:44:54 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
You've never had this in physics class?
mustnt_wear_pants ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:37:47 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Amazingly, after an engineering degree and grad school, no
apfe ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:14:55 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
My cat totally didn't enjoy the sounds that video makes.
figglyy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:25:02 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I laughed out loud at that. I wanted yolu to know this
adokimus ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:26:03 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
That's the coolest thing I've seen today.
kikicouture ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:54:53 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
That was awesome!!!
PalermoJohn ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 15:09:41 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
OMG that related video
itwashimmusic ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:32:13 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
The question is, what is a codon and why do I need to unlock mine...
mitzt ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:08:16 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Codons are the "words" of DNA or more specifically, groups of 3 amino acids which will code for certain proteins.
itwashimmusic ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:27:27 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Do mine need to be unlocked?
mitzt ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:40:03 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Only if you want to read your DNA.
Kerbobotat ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:44:14 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
That's really weird and interesting to watch.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:56:01 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
So this video seems to debunk the picture. As the frequency gets higher and higher the patterns get more complex.... Say ohm and it's obviously a lower sound. Anyone weigh in on this? Seen that image floating around Facebook, I figure it's fake to a degree...
friends_not_food ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:19:39 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I was confused by this too.
GlowInTheDarkStars ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:22:54 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Man, science is AWESOME.
iamNebula ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:07:27 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Would that produce the same results if the frequencies were not played in sequence but rather a high note then a few steps lower, note?
I_dementia ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:57:19 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
For this to work does it have to be one continuos sound or if you played a song would it work?
figglyy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:25:58 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
someone get Dark Side Of the Moon on that thing, STAT!
Terza_Rima ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:56:04 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
That's crazy!
PrecipitationInducer ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:33:38 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Dat moment when it turns into Connect Four
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 17:54:38 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
That cant be real! How can sound vibrations move rice into complex geometric patterns? Its impossible!
capnwinky ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 18:01:26 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Oh man, wait till you discover how magnets work.
kilo73 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:34:17 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
fucking magnets...how do they work
DNAlien ยท 216 points ยท Posted at 14:54:30 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I feel like it's worth pointing out that the pattern created is a result solely of the pitch of the sound, and the fact that the sound is "OM" has nothing to do with what is generated, since you can say "OM" at any pitch you like.
Channe1 ยท 26 points ยท Posted at 15:54:55 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Also worth pointing out that the Sri Yantra Research Center has declared it a myth/urban legend that spreads like a virus. Kind of a bummer.
http://www.sriyantraresearch.com/Article/Om/om_sri_yantra_legend.html
smashey ยท 22 points ยท Posted at 15:19:28 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Different vowel sounds are created by the interaction of different harmonics, which will emphasize certain parts of the pattern.
johnofsteel ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:53:38 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
The actual word does make a slight difference. Human voice is a pretty complex thing. There are many factors such as mouth shape, tongue position, and note placement that affect the overtones/harmonics produced. That is why the patterns formed are complex. If it only represented the fundamental frequency then the patterns would be extremely simple looking, much like a sine wave.
DNAlien ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:17:57 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
You might think so, but you should check youtube for chaladni plate videos... they use a single tone at a rising frequency (usually) and the pattern changes as the pitch changes, and forms very complex patterns at times, simply from a a single tone. It has to do with the shape of plate though, a square vs round plate produce different shapes.
lookslikeyoureSOL ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:46:01 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Within the context of this specific Hindu mantra, when it's spoken it's a very deep and drawn out "ohhhhhmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm" spanning the total duration of one full breath. Any other pitch and the purpose has been defeated (within the context of the mantra itself)
BRNZ42 ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 16:00:01 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
But what pitch is "very low"? Low A? Low G? 220 hz? 227? You see the question here?
inductionduction ยท 232 points ยท Posted at 14:31:52 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
So, yeah.
Apparently it was actually discovered at least 1000 years ago as well :P
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:23:42 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
A lot of stuff the English "discovered" in India was known long before. There wad so much misunderstanding that went on just like in America...
[deleted] ยท -13 points ยท Posted at 14:42:08 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)*
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[deleted] ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 14:49:55 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Are you serius...
Omegamanthethird ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:20:42 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
No.
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 15:26:24 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Allright then, i was actually concerned for a while there.
[deleted] ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 14:50:14 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)*
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xb4r7x ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 14:52:54 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
This is rather obvious sarcasm...
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:12:24 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
And ladies and gentlemen if you'll look to your left you'll see the joke go right over this poster's head.
[deleted] ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 14:50:46 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)*
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epicluca ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 14:59:27 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
40 million people died on black friday so humans r gone
Deadboys ยท -27 points ยท Posted at 14:39:17 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
1700s wasn't 1000 years ago.
themeatbridge ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 14:47:34 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
The implication is that the Rishis also discovered the same thing thousands of years ago.
PhysicalStuff ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 14:43:11 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Not yet, but that'll change eventually.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 14:44:10 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
He said as well.
It's a discovery of a technique which clearly could have easily been done a thousand years ago. The fact that there is a drawing of it seems to strongly suggest that it was, it's the best explanation for it.
So it might be more apt to say it was rediscovered in the 1700's
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 14:42:36 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I.... never mind.
SBecker30 ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 14:43:02 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Debatable.
Redditor_on_LSD ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:44:50 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
He's saying there was likely an ancient form of the tonoscope, before Ernst Chladni discovered the phenomenon in 1787.
theKrevFox ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:52:41 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I will argue that fact until it becomes true!
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:16:10 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
THE TONOSCOPE WAS DISCOVERED IN THE 1700s. THE ANCIENT MANDALA IS AT LEAST 1000 YEARS OLD. THAT SEEMS TO INDICATE THAT THE ACTUAL DISCOVERY OF THE TONOSCOPE AT LEAST 1000 YEARS AGO.
Oxyuscan ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 16:53:56 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
But 1787 was far less than 1000 years ago
turds_mcpoop ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:14:08 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
1787 BC
DwelveDeeper ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:50:49 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Thanks. Now I won't feel bad about donating the $3 it's been asking me to donate lately.
I always tell myself I will someday. But not today. Not today.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 14:55:41 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I don't know which is better, the clear explanation or the fact you said "to save you a wikipedia run" instead of "for the lazy". Either way, you're my new favorite redditor.
asterisk_man ยท 1094 points ยท Posted at 14:09:52 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I don't see why it would be surprising for there to have been an ancient tonoscope. It looks like it's just a drum with sand on top and a tube to talk into.
CorrectingYouAgain ยท 722 points ยท Posted at 14:48:33 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Not to mention that this has nothing to do with the supernatural.
LegendsLurker ยท 50 points ยท Posted at 15:16:32 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
not to mention completely false! http://www.sriyantraresearch.com/Article/Om/om_sri_yantra_legend.html
Zmodem ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:25:55 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Thank goodness someone posted this. Yeesh, I hate seeing this pop up as real phenomena. Thank you.
junkimchi ยท 144 points ยท Posted at 14:54:22 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah I was about to say the same thing. Chances are they had some method of visualizing the sound and the "technology" or w/e method they used probably just became obsolete or lost throughout the ages.
Or it was just a coincidence. I mean there's not that many ways you can draw expanding triangles.
x1expert1x ยท 37 points ยท Posted at 16:18:01 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Can you all just shut the hell up and accept the fact that they were aliens.
blore40 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:38:16 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
When there is Occam's automated Turbo slicer 3000 to be had, people just want his razor? Crazy nuts!
meaningful_username ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 16:04:35 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Only about an infinite ways.
Nyxalith ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:33:41 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Ok, I admit I understand very little about math above the basic level, but really I'm only seeing one way to draw expanding triangles demonstrated on that page, and then a bunch of other stuff that isn't triangles at all. Can you explain how this is multiple ways to draw expanding triangles?
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:59:51 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
the fact that they even figured it out is crazy
silentbotanist ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:16:56 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
No, it was obviously time travellers from 1787.
Ocean_Duck ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:37:53 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I doubt that it's a coincidence, they probably had some way to see that pattern.
tennenrishin ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:56:59 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
"Supernatural" and "natural" are simply an arbitrary dichotomy between the phenomena we have come to take for granted (along with phenomena that can be explained in terms of those) and phenomena we haven't. Gravity, for example, we usually take for granted, but it could legitimately be seen as a predictable but fundamental "magic" of our universe. At some point General Relativity may be unified with Quantum Field Theory, at which point two fundamental magics will be reduced to one fundamental magic. Reality is highly ordered, allowing much to be explained in terms of little, but it remains highly ordered magic, because nothing can be explained in terms of nothing.
BillTripple ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:21:11 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
/thread
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:34:43 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Neither do UFO sightings, but that hasn't stopped people from posting them.
braised_diaper_shit ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:55:41 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Define supernatural. Nothing is supernatural. It's a matter of perspective.
wargasm40k ยท -11 points ยท Posted at 14:54:07 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
It is if you are religious. Since science is all just made up stuff.
Pro-Tractor ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:01:42 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Cause religion is exactly like that
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 14:58:17 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
her derp all religions are anti-science
wargasm40k ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 15:02:32 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Except for Scientology.
linerror ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:37:26 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
aside from "Scien" in the name Scientology has NOTHING to do with science...
Phallic ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 14:57:22 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
If you understand it, it stops being supernatural.
asforus ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 15:09:31 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
You hit that Shit right on the head
disenchanted_youth ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:37:58 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah.... I don't get why people think our ancestors were idiots and couldn't do anything scientific. Science was invented over the course of thousands of years, after all.
op135 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:27:02 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
everyone knows isaac newton invented science, dumbass
disenchanted_youth ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:34:45 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
False. It was Neil Degrasse Tyson
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:13:51 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
There's also Rosslyn Chapel in Scotland which was featured in the Da Vinci Code book and movie because it has a lot of Templar lore surrounding it. It does actually have a lot of symbology in the carvings, including the fact that it has 213 "cubes" that have carvings on them that are possibly based on tonoscope drawings. I remember seeing a video of someone actually playing the music that was written in them, but I can't seem to find it now (unless it was from a different chapel/cathedral and I've got them muddled up), but here's a bit about the carvings in Rosslyn, including the tonoscope symbols.
Most of the stuff surrounding Rosslyn is very conspiracy theory-ish, but I think that given the other musical symbology in the carvings, it's very possible that they were actual tonoscope records, not just symbols chosen randomly.
inductionduction ยท 199 points ยท Posted at 14:24:58 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Perhaps it was discovered through a similar method to this?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wvJAgrUBF4w
I imagine a bunch of monks sitting around a room OOOMing, and they had some fancy Zen garden suspended over a tight piece of cloth. It started forming to the shape of their OM frequency and so they freaked out considered the image holy.
schooley ยท 61 points ยท Posted at 14:44:59 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I dug into this a little bit to find out that there isn't any real evidence supporting this tonoscope finding unfortunately. Attempts to replicate this (you can Google and find your own articles or simply YouTube the tonoscope visualization of the OM sound) result in typical O shapes while higher frequencies tend to create the more unique patterns. I'm feeling inspired to create a tonoscope simulator to figure out the actual frequencies required to get close to the OM symbol.
TheJunkyard ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 15:01:47 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
It seems pretty clear (at least from the few videos I've seen of this phenomenon) that tonoscopes only ever produce shapes with curvilinear edges. I don't think it's very feasible that a tonoscope could produce anything resembling this mandala.
schooley ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:44:49 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Yea, thanks for the reality check. It was a fun idea but the OM symbol seems pretty unreachable.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:21:07 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
is it even possible to find the origin of the alleged tonoscope photograph in op's picture? i thought of cropping it out and doing a reverse image search but i am too lazy.
Ed-alicious ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:53:54 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, that shit is nonsense. Audio never looks like that.
zissouo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:33:02 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Yep, smells of bullshit.
dont_get_it ยท 101 points ยท Posted at 14:42:00 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Assuming this is not a coincidence, then this is a case of ancient science not anything supernatural.
STYLIE ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:45:29 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
But even from a perspective of science that is certainly remarkable
dont_get_it ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 16:49:16 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I'd describe it as 'cute', but maybe I'm jaded.
WTF_SilverChair ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 21:27:25 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Nono, the only people who science good are white westerners. Otherwise, it has to be aliens, ghosts, or God (only our God, tho!).
socraticatheist ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 15:19:32 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Myth: busted http://www.sriyantraresearch.com/Article/Om/om_sri_yantra_legend.html
jleonardbc ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:27:40 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
That's an urban legend.
[deleted] ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 14:08:56 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 14:13:52 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:58:07 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
They say it's the sound the universe made when it burst into creation.
jivatman ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:27:22 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
According to Hindu tradition are three ways to Represent the Divine in form. Mantra or Sound is the highest, Yantras or Geometry being the next highest, Human form icons/statues are the lowest.
These are all called "Saguna Brahman" or god with form. These are useful because the Human mind often needs form to focus on something.
However, god is considered to be ultimately without form, or "Nirguna Brahman".
[deleted] ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 14:12:08 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Its a holy word among Hindus
MadmanPoet ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 15:19:43 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
And Buddhists (though "holy" is a more loosely defined).
MrMadcap ยท -13 points ยท Posted at 14:43:13 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)*
It was a cool sand-picture producing utterance which was quickly adopted as a holy word, no doubt.
Edit: Apparently that struck a nerve! What a sensitive bunch you all turned out to be!
UnimpressedAsshole ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 15:02:36 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
It is the first sound of creation. The universe was created by vibration and OM was the first utterance.
Take nitrous and you'll quickly cross the threshold
MrMadcap ยท -9 points ยท Posted at 15:09:01 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I'd really rather not step back behind that threshold. We shouldn't try to stay in Never Never Land forever. Especially now, when Humanity needs adults more than ever. That said, it's certainly fun thinking as a child would. I'll give you that.
UnimpressedAsshole ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 17:10:40 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
You are quite the conceited ignoramus
ofthedappersort ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:48:31 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
The sonic incarnation of Brahma
markusbolarkus ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:00:39 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Or, in other words, the sound of the universe. Try relating the sound to the big bang. First, a loud, abrupt manifestation, then it gradually smooths out/relaxes as it progresses.
glorydays73 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:57:12 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Like an Irish monk?
Termanator116 ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 14:19:57 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
And the word monk has the word om in it, backwards. Dude, exorcism time
themeatbridge ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 14:48:41 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I recommend a premptive nuclear strike.
waiv ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:49:11 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)*
That's an urban legend.
"Can the Sri Yantra be Created From the Om Sound?"
"The short answer is NO. This is one of those urban legends that are so numerous on the Internet. The picture below was printed in the book "Yantra: The tantric symbol of cosmic unity". It supposedly has been created from translating the vibration of the Om sound into an image".
And..
"We see that the images are organic in style and have mostly rounded edges. No sharp angular corners as found in the Sri Yantra. The idea of creating a Sri Yantra out of the Om frequency is very charming but not very realistic."
badoon ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 14:30:57 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Compelling how? If you sit in a resonant space and make mouth noises to excite resonance you can feel it in your body. It's not unusual to think ancient people would do something like this. All indications are that they were in search of trippy experiences, even using hallucinogens, and that they called the feelings and altered perceptions experiences of the divine. I remember that when we were in band class we'd take instruments into the large, ceramic-tiled rest room and try to find the resonant frequencies and the nodes in the room. We'd do it with our voices, too, and actually ended up voicing vowels to pump the room. Nothing divine about it. Cool noises, but we didn't attribute them to divine factors, because we of this age aren't wired that way.
I guess it's also not surprising to me that if you pump an acoustic wave from a certain kind of transducer through size-graded and color marked sand in a certain kind of plastic bowl you make patterns. Would it surprise you to learn that you could induce similar patterns in sand on a drumhead that happened to be sitting in the center of a group of chanting monks? That's at least one explanation for the appearance of a pattern in cymatic art that resembles one in a mandala. The other, of course, is coincidence.
Msktb ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:01:59 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
We are still wired that way. The proof is in this thread. We see things that we want to see of that we're afraid to see. We just have better ways to explain it now: scientific explanations for things which were once considered divine.
badoon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:45:25 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I guess I should be more careful with my "we". I noticed that none of us enjoying the phenomenon went to "because god" but understood sound and physics. Of course, we were highly advanced high schoolers. I am sure some adults are wired that way.
Do you automatically attribute something you don't understand to divine influence? Are YOU wired that way?
Msktb ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:06:27 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I know that everything can be explained scientifically. I don't attribute anything to the supernatural because the natural world is complex enough without adding ghosts and magic into the mix.
I just mean that the human brain seems to be hard wired to see things that aren't really there (pareioidia is a good example). All humans also seem to be hard wired for religion as well. Our brains are still set up in the same way they've been for thousands of years. We just have scientific explanations for what we used to call magic/supernatural. It was just a clarification.
badoon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:36:29 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
True: in many ways a measure of progress is our success at moving beyond the wiring that points us to gods and war and animalistic behavior.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:22:46 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:39:16 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
mathematical based shapes re-appearing in unrelated cultures centuries apart are not wierd. Its math, and reproducable math.
Same "golden ratio" keeps on getting re-discovered time and time again, and in nature. Mathematical constants are not creepy or wierd
antikarmacist ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:23:47 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I agree nature and art always get repeated like this. Fractals!
cvlrymedic ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 14:14:30 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I'm curious about this and know nothing about it, can you provide any other information on it?
LegendsLurker ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:17:33 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
http://www.sriyantraresearch.com/Article/Om/om_sri_yantra_legend.html
danrennt98 ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 15:09:03 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
http://www.google.com/
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:12:27 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
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graaahh ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:12:30 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Read all of the other comments on this and you'll see quite a few logical possible explanations as well as heavy skepticism that this picture is even telling the truth to begin with. Also as someone else pointed out, "even if this is true, it's a case of ancient science, not anything supernatural."
Pepperyfish ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:58:11 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)*
that really isn't supernatural it isn't like a tonoscope is a electron microscope it seems it could have easily been made(I think?) by people at the time and we just haven't found it.
DSC_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:20:41 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
How is this supernatural? Bots should be removing unrelated answers more than non serious answers...
ulvok_coven ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:20:46 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I don't mean to be a downer, but there's a billion kinds of mandala, half of them reference OM in some oblique way, and in some traditions all mandalas are complex geometric patterns. Somebody just found the one which happened to replicate a tonoscope.
bertrussell ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:32:24 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Is it not possible that they had such a device back then and that is where they got the image from?
DrNil8or ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:43:17 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I work with resonance frequency in metals everyday while conducting vibration testing. They are pretty awesome and it is neat to see the kind of patterns you can make.
therealityofthings ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:54:58 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah who woulda thought matter is just energy condensed into a sine wave and our perspective is infinite due to our being...matter...
ZacharyCallahan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:08:42 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
it might not be all that "paranormal" because they could have done things like this using some simple harmonics and a wave pool, but its fascinating that they did do this!
antikarmacist ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:22:50 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
How supernatural? Seems very natural to me. Geometric shapes, fractals etc always show up in nature as does in art.
notthatnoise2 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:00:54 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
The actual sound being made is irrelevant to a tonoscope, all that matters is frequency. Since you can say "om" at any frequency you like, there's really nothing to see here.
garfieldsam ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:08:57 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
This is an old urban legend everybody.
http://www.sriyantraresearch.com/Article/Om/om_sri_yantra_legend.html
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:50:54 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
It's a, it's a transmutation circle!
arghnard ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:32:03 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
saw a banana once...
myatomsareyouratoms ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:14:36 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
More than one 'Rishi' = 'Rishis'.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:07:13 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Anyone else see the eye in the pyramid, the illuminati?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:08:47 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
this photo looks kind of sketch. has it been repeated on video?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:16:48 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
What frequencies were used? Where's the pic from? I'm curious. I wanna try this.
TheOfficialAvenger ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:05:50 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Just commenting so i can save the pics, don't mind me.
tuckc89 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:24:04 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
This is by far the coolest one in this thread.. Thank you for sharing!
caratunstall ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:25:10 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
That's the coolest thing I've seen in this thread!
InternetFree ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:47:34 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Basic geometric shapes are derived from basic mathematics.
It is not surprising that in ancient times things like that have been drawn.
Mathematics always fascinated people. Understanding mathematics is almost magic, it definitely is a religious experience. You predict things and then they suddenly happen once you put it to the test.
It has always drawn both rational thinkers as well as religious folk. One seeking for knowledge about nature, the other seeking for proof of the supernatural.
aazav ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:11:42 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Compelling for what?
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 14:35:52 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
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InsertStickIntoAnus ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 14:41:49 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Who actually says that the ancients weren't smart, though? They were just as smart as modern man, our brains haven't changed significantly. Their knowledge of the world however was but a speck of what we understand in the modern age.
cutfrom ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:10:37 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I think some modern theories say they were actually smarter, purely based upon neurological substrate.
thelastblackredditor ยท 381 points ยท Posted at 15:24:11 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Definitely the Time Traveling Hipster. Maybe this is not the kind of supernatural you're talking about but its still one of the most unexplained pictures ever. He's dressed like 30 years ahead of everyone.
[deleted] ยท 71 points ยท Posted at 16:50:19 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I'm more creeped out by Cole Phelps there in the front.
Delror ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 17:30:50 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Oh sweet merciful Christ, that's him to a T.
Hiphoppington ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 18:36:10 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Whoah
Sigma6987 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:29:15 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I'm more creeped out by Emperor Palpatine on the right.
Hank_McNeilly ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:51:57 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
That's the first thing I noticed as well. Scared the shit out of me
kinggarbanzo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:05:03 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Glad im not the only LA noire fan in here. noticed that immediately.
Typlo ยท 31 points ยท Posted at 16:46:10 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)*
If time traveling did exist, I think they'd do everything to avoid drawing attention. Dressing like a 2010 hipster in 1940 wouldn't be part of the plan. It reminds me of a photography of Lewis Powell, who would think this was taken in 1865?
ViciousMihael ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 23:06:13 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Off-topic, that dude is hot.
Zythrone ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:31:36 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
If assassins are your thing.
Notice the ye olde handcuffs.
ViciousMihael ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 23:38:01 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Oh. Oops. Didn't see ye olde handcuffs.
well_do_ya_punk ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:54:25 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
That may not be as simple as it sounds as we have learned from Back to the Future trilogy.
loego ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:25:55 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
thought Lewis Powell was the photographer - nope
the background was the deck of a small Navy boat of new design, and not an elaborate set piece as I first thought
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:11:43 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Just because there are rules doesn't mean everyone will follow them.
GustavVA ยท 365 points ยท Posted at 15:41:13 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
It's been pretty thoroughly debunked. http://wafflesatnoon.com/2013/07/27/time-traveling-hipster/ Also, it would be more like 60 or 70 years ahead of everyone. Unless...you're a time traveler from the 1970s...whoa.
twiggytwig ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 20:10:06 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Has anyone ever asked if the hipster is in the correct time and all of the other people time traveled?
Z-Ninja ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 16:50:19 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
If there were time travelers, they would try to match the clothing of the era they visit, but they could obviously get it wrong. Not saying the photo is real, but that a time traveler could dress 30 years off even if they are from 200 years in the future.
desmondao ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 18:51:30 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Also, I'm pretty sure they'd go see some grander event than some lame bridge opening ceremony.
[deleted] ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 20:41:29 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
You don't know what significance the bridge (or location) could hold in the future or whether it might be personally significant (maybe a great great grandfather/mother erected that bridge etc). Also that is assuming that time travel is controllable.. maybe he ended up somewhere randomly and this particular event was the only thing happening at the time.
Hypothetically speaking.
I don't believe this is an image of a time traveler at all either.
[deleted] ยท -8 points ยท Posted at 17:04:59 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)*
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Z-Ninja ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 17:14:07 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Stupid response. I was obviously being hypothetical and enjoying a thought experiment where time travel had been invented. Good job sticking to the unimaginative superiority complex that seems to be the norm of this thread.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 17:32:36 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Damn, dude, that was a little bit snappy.
shlam16 ยท -10 points ยท Posted at 17:28:40 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
This stupid picture has been posted so many times that I am completely jaded by your original "thought experiment" that everybody else posts every time this is ever posted.
I am the one being more realistic here. In a fantasy future where backwards time travel is possible (which is physically impossible, but let's pretend); do you really think trying to match the clothing would be an issue? Really? If it has advanced to the point of time travel tourism, then the technology has clearly been tested extensively. There would be no need to guess what the fashions were with errors of 30 years; they could very simply pop back and look. Hell, there'd be a bureau which would provide the knowledge and the clothing to anyone before going.
Furthermore, and back to my original point; why would blending in even be an issue if they are so advanced to make the physically impossible possible? Invisibility is already underway, theoretically it is a somewhat simple principle. In any future with time travel; invisibility inherently exists.
Now who is the unimaginative one?
Z-Ninja ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 18:10:42 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Still you.
shlam16 ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 22:21:43 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Yawn, don't even know why I bother with people like you.
boomnigguh ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:36:12 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Cuz you have nothing better to do
shlam16 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 10:10:16 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Oh look, it's the nobody who likes to jump onto bandwagons.
SQUELCH_PARTY ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 16:36:55 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
He isn't wearing that shirt.
BlackMM90 ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 18:33:50 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
The article doesn't say he is wearing that shirt. It says that the logo in the shirt in the picture is likely the same as the logo on the shirt in the article.
arquebus_x ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 21:28:19 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Except it's not. The typeface is completely different. The only resemblance is that it's an M.
figglyy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:49:30 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
exactly.
[deleted] ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 17:35:04 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
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BlackMM90 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 18:36:50 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
The article doesn't say that he is wearing that shirt. It just says that it's probably that logo.
Also, it doesn't say that there's a shadow on his face. It says there's a shadow on Stanwyk's face, which makes the comparison that some have drawn invalid. But that side shades did exist back then and he is wearing them; Stanwyk is just a bad example.
BrainFever ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 18:53:13 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
To be fair, the comparison is pretty useless when you look at the angle of shadow in the photo. The entire de-bunking could just have been some pages from a fashion catalogue of the time showing similar clothing.
noeashly ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:19:18 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I don't think it's so much "debunking" as it is reasoning that what he's wearing wasn't necessarily out of the ordinary for his time.
[deleted] ยท -8 points ยท Posted at 17:54:16 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Exactly, what the fuck? That's the worst article I've read in quite some time.
And how does it even "thoroughly debunk" the claim?
Here's a half ass shirt I found with a basic varsity style M that doesn't even match the original (no background the the top right portion of the M is curved in the original, so not even the same font).
thebrokendoctor ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:13:36 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
That's heavy, man.
WithkeyThipper ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 18:37:57 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
that doesn't seem thoroughly debunked. they just say that the logo of an M on his shirt isn't abnormal for the time period, and "oh yeah people totally wore knitted jackets like those, and sunglasses existed back then too"
HamsterBoo ยท 25 points ยท Posted at 18:42:52 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
To be fair, you can't really "thoroughly debunk" any claim that a random person in a photo is a time traveler. They could be. What you can debunk is that it was impossible to have those items back then. Clearly it was very possible.
figglyy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:47:38 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
His shirt doesn
t really look like the Montreal Maroons logo at all and even if it did, shirts with logos or writing on them werent really around back then.(I think.)Ketrel ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:15:37 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
How are the sunglasses casting a shadow from left to right, when the light source is on the right?
That_Russian_Guy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:19:15 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not seeing the shadow of the eyeglasses. Can you point it out to me? I only see the shadow of his ear.
Ketrel ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:05:15 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
The article is saying the sides are a shadow and not sides. The lighting is behind him. It's not a shadow.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:15:18 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
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Ketrel ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:45:02 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Well, shut my mouth, and paint me red!
I had that in reverse! Though, now it doesn't make any sense as to what that matters at all. Hipsters wear side sunglasses. So couldn't a time traveling hipster wear them too?
Sonicrings3389 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 22:55:29 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
That shirt is most definitely not the same shirt depicted in the picture
[deleted] ยท 39 points ยท Posted at 17:57:38 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
TIL more casual = more modern.
Also, "you can witness any historical event. What do you choose?"
"Um... some bridge opening in Wisconsin."
[deleted] ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 01:55:50 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
It's exactly the type of thing a time traveling hipster would do though.
Fsoprokon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:07:58 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
He's probably thinking, where the hell am I and why is everybody dressed so funny?
Hello-their ยท 42 points ยท Posted at 15:39:32 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Then why isn't everyone in the photo looking at him instead?
Evning ยท 28 points ยท Posted at 16:22:14 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
simple
http://tardis.wikia.com/wiki/Perception_filter
alberthere ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:44:13 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
The little girl looks like she is
RideLikeYourMom ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 18:38:13 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Men have been wearing the same hairstyles for a long, long time. A man could probably put on any of those suites now minus the hat and look totally normal today. Men's style and fashion doesn't change as drastically as women's. The guy looks like he's meant to be there to me.
MisterDonkey ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:03:46 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
It's what appears to be his printed shirt that looks most out of place.
Plastisol wasn't invented until the late 1950's.
RideLikeYourMom ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:18:21 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I don't think it's printed. I think it wraps around like a Charlie Brown shirt but thanks to the shadow from the sweater it looks like a square. If you zoom it it almost looks like it goes around. The black M/W part of it really looks like it continues on.
The sweater and hair cut are period. He has the same hair as the guy to his left in the suit with no hat only it's longer and curlier.
MisterDonkey ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:57:26 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
That's really what it is.
But for the intent of playing along with the story, it does look like a graphic t-shirt.
Anticreativity ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:33:05 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
But what about that black blob in his hand? Clearly a piece of advance technology years beyond what anyone else in the photo could ever imagine. Checkmate, skeptic.
Jack_Burton_Express ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:37:34 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe this is the next Doctor, BBC just hasn't announced it yet.
John_Fx ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:32:28 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
He was not alone! Clearly this technology did not exist in that era.
Mugros ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:56:54 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
http://wafflesatnoon.com/2013/07/27/time-traveling-hipster/
Refo1689 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:16:40 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
What are the explanations people have given for his attire?
space_guy95 ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 17:47:29 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Basically everything he's wearing is clothing that was available at the time, including the hockey jersey, camera and glasses. It's just that most people don't realise fashion hasn't moved on anywhere near as much as you'd expect. After all, converse, some of the most popular trainers in the world, are around 100 years old.
metans ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:30:37 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
isn't that cole phelps at the front? at least he's in the right time period
tossthisish ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:34:03 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Hes not dressed futuristic. Just a lot more casually than everyone else.. hahaha
iamNebula ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:27:49 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
What's circled in his hand?
thelastblackredditor ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:19:13 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
A camera I think. Maybe not.
kragmoor ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:09:02 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I'm a bit more worried at officer cole fucking phelps being in this picture.
SickSalamander ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:34:41 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I hope to be so cool that people from the future mistake me in pictures for a time traveler.
brainjuice ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:46:44 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
It looks like he's wearing welding glasses.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:34:15 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
This reminds me of the 'Time Traveling Cellphone Users' http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RyCvKkANPZQ
Werepig ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:58:47 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
"Hipster" isn't holding a camera... he's adjusting his sweater.
awolf_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:00:37 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
So this guy isn't a time traveler, but definitely still a hipster?
figglyy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:39:28 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Its the pattern on his shirt that gets me. But the thing is, I haven
t seen sunglasses like that before and that material his sweater is made out of looks foreign. Maybe hes from the future? O.oextra_23 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:33:14 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Guy with one circle looks like Cole Phelps.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:52:31 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
He's the Doctor.
Brandon23z ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:17:48 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Get your friends to stand next to you with old clothes, while you wear modern Nike clothes. Profit!!
John_Fx ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:26:59 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Backstory: Modern day hipster really got into Pearl Jam, but couldn't reconcile liking them after they had become popular. Attempts to go back in time so he can claim he saw them before they were cool and got the dials wrong on the time machine.
aazav ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 17:34:50 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
it's still
Learn this.
thelastblackredditor ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:54:18 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Ohhh, thats how its supposed to be spelt. Thanks bro.
[deleted] ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 19:02:25 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
First time posting! My favorite story was something I read when I was a kid; the mystery of the Faces of Bรฉlmez.
http://i.imgur.com/zZpjMPy.jpg
Copied from: http://www.thecobrasnose.com/xxghost/belmez.html
Beginning August 23, 1971, Maria Gรตmez Pereira played host to a series of strange events. An expressionistic, painterly image of a man's face spontaneously appeared on her kitchen floor--which was ripped out six days later and re-laid with cement. One week later, another face appeared in the same spot. Again, the family wanted the image destroyed, but the town mayor intervened and had the offending slab of cement removed and preserved. The property was known to have been a graveyard in the past, so the floor was excavated in hopes of finding whatever was causing the phenomena.
Nine feet down, human remains were discovered and given a proper burial, and a new floor was installed. Two weeks later, another man's face appeared, and two weeks after that, the face of a woman surrounded by 9-15 tiny faces.
By this time, the mysterious goings on had attracted crowds of onlookers. Some of these were able to watch the faces appear before them, but there was never a consensus on their expression or meaning. Occasionally, these images would appear and then disappear within the course of a single day, others would last longer. Recordings were made in the room, and when the tapes were played back, sounds of whispering and wailing were heard on them.
The floor was torn out a number of times, but the faces returned every time it was restored. The images were scrubbed with detergent, but though the eyes widened and the expressions changed, the pictures persisted; over time, the faces seemed to age. Chemists tested samples of the cement, but found no evidence of paints or dyes.
Although the events continued through 1972, there is a dearth of photographic and other hard evidence, scientific explanations were quickly abandoned.
The debate over whether this was a case of fraud, a haunting, or psychokinetic influence (the faces' expression would sometimes change depending on Maria Gรตmez Pereira's mood) has never been resolved.
It was a great story to read as a kid, and I know that now it is claimed to be a hoax. Alas, it is still a fun read.
supersnuffy ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:41:20 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Omg, I remember this on those...weird videos about urban legends. I watched those a LOT.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:08:28 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Would it happen to be these videos? http://jkcinema.com/gamesmov.asp?type=5
I used to watch these like everyday lol
supersnuffy ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:13:00 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Oh my god, yes. Me too!
ExParrot1337 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:50:06 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I read this story when I was kid. Scared the ever-living crap out of me. Nightmares for a fortnight. Eventually I forced myself to read it a few more times and got over it.
Nice to know, 30 years later, it was a hoax. :-)
jay135 ยท 101 points ยท Posted at 16:47:19 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Hubble Extreme Deep Field
As /u/Why-so-delirious/ described it here:
[deleted] ยท 58 points ยท Posted at 17:39:39 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Space is so gorgeous and so fucking terrifying
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:43:20 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
it truely is.
Wrath_Of_Aguirre ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:20:02 on December 16, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I think good ol' Neil DeGrasse Tyson makes it a little less frightening when he speaks of seeing the universe as a sense of unity, because the same atoms that make up everything we can and cannot see make up us as well.
[deleted] ยท 24 points ยท Posted at 17:26:18 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
It's amazing and beautiful to think that there is more to life than we could ever possibly imagine or understand.
plastikspoon1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:14:35 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
One day we will be able to, hopefully.
Red237 ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 17:17:10 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)*
For some reason I feel like I want to cry while staring at that photo. I don't know if it's because it's so fucking beautiful or it just states wordlessly how lonely we are.
Edit: Words.
boardlurker ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 17:52:26 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
There is so much that you'll never get to see or experience.
Red237 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:08:33 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
It's not so bad. There is so much you experience and see through living anyway.
boardlurker ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:11:00 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I know, but I think about all the unexplored worlds and unknown races of humanoids that are undoubtedly out there somewhere.
Red237 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:19:42 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I can only be excited while thinking about it. But I can understand the disappointment and twang of sadness of thoughts like "Why aren't we out there among the stars now?!?!" cause I feel like that sometimes. We are all stardust. It's an amazing universe we live in.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:16:16 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
What gets me by is the thought of my descendants living off in those distances, seeing the sights I could only dream of. Not even my descendants really, but humanity; one day your friends' kids will be out there being horribly devoured by Cthulu, and, in a way, you were a part of that.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:08:50 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
life's too fucking short. Why can't we live long enough to send someone out there and explore? One immortal human out there would change everything, but fuck us, we have to die.
Seanctk10001 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:48:18 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
So you see that and think we are alone? You don't think that it states how it is almost impossible that we aren't.
Onionator ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:36:28 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I don't know why I get shivers and weep when I see a picture like that and think of the implication. A few minutes of mulling this over and I have a lump in my throat :/
Jack_Burton_Express ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:21:26 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I could stare at this picture for hours, just something about it. Trying to actually visualize and bring into perspective what each individual galaxy could possibly contain, and just how many there are. Incredible.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:55:18 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:41:17 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Plagiarist, cough, plagiarist.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:39:03 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:19:43 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Contact by Carl Sagan.
-Lemur ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 17:38:53 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
How is the universe supernatural?
Dudamis ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:02:07 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
When I see that picture I begin to wonder what's happening in those places right now. I mean the light we see there is amazingly old but, even without considering any intellegent life out there, lightning storms and explosions, wind blowing over distant seas and all that is happening right now. We'll never know about it. Then I trip on the idea that that picture contains all of it, we just can't perceive it. My brain is all gooey now.
dotMJEG ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:55:16 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
the large spiral galaxy on the left in the upper middle of the image is a galaxy at least 8 times the size of the Milky Way, and at that size, should be completely physically impossible to form.
AwkwardTurtle ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:58:45 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Pedantry Man here. The specks of light with diffraction spikes around them (the straight lines of light) are actually stars within our own galaxy. Everything else is a galaxy though.
Wyatt1313 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:50:24 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
The Hubble took the shot out of our own galaxy, nothing that you see in this image is from our own. If there was it would be extremely bright and CLOSER then the far galaxies not farther. It really is a tiny fraction. Source http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/hubble/science/xdf.html
AwkwardTurtle ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:57:29 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
http://hubblesite.org/newscenter/archive/releases/1998/41/image/b/
Wyatt1313 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:08:47 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Good find, would make sense the closest stars would have diffraction spikes. I misread your comment and assumed the pixel sized lights in The background where what you were referring to.
[deleted] ยท 398 points ยท Posted at 14:09:44 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
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Tomble ยท 1320 points ยท Posted at 14:52:46 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)*
This is almost certainly internal reflections in the camera lens. The UFOs in the sky match perfectly with the lights in front of the building, with a perfect intersection in the middle of the image.
Edit : Here's a good description of what is going on.
Edit again : It has always surprised me how uncritically pictures like this, which don't stand up to basic examination, hang around for so long as 'evidence'. Also, there are plenty of versions of this photo with the building lights cropped out (such as in the original post), which makes the picture far more interesting but seems like a deception. I would love to see some really good UFO photos, but the way images like this are accepted uncritically muddies the waters so badly that "I want to believe" supersedes "I want to know what is really going on".
Edit again again : I found a clearer version of the photo, it's even easier to see the way the lights match up here.
[deleted] ยท 116 points ยท Posted at 14:57:05 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Guess it's kinda like 80's movies where cars would always reflect their headlights in the camera-lens.
I love 80's movies
ThatDamnCanadian ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:58:42 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
And then they would play edgy dark synth chords in the background. Awesome stuff
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:17:40 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
My dad loved action movies and shows like NYPD blue. But because he had his own body-shop and worked hard 5/6 days a week, he'd record em (on his VCR) all throughout the week, and watch all of it on sunday-afternoon. (on a glass-tube tv obviously)
Good memories.
peteroh9 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:07:50 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
If you watch enough movies, they still do this. Lenses may be better now, but better lenses usually means more elements which means more reflections.
Kovi34 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 15:05:02 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
BUSTED
SirJyrus ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:10:38 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Sometimes I can't decide if the phenomenon or the explanation is a bigger thrill. Perfect example.
short-timer ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:13:58 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Nice try Galgamex overlords...
Tomble ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:15:48 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
ARGH! FOILED AGAIN! I'LL GET YOU NEXT TIME, HU-MAN...
acog ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:54:06 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
People (or at least some people) want to believe, it's as simple as that. So then confirmation bias kicks in and they'll cling to the original supernatural/alien idea and disregard any rational explanation.
Irongawd ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:50:45 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Did the film reflect the lights as well? (Not being sarcastic) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D326UXwubKA
Tomble ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 17:07:32 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
There's no video from the actual event. That footage is from a history channel show (the UFO files), and it's computer generated based on the photo. The Ufo Files used CGI recreations quite a lot in their show.
Here's one discussion of it.
Irongawd ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:00:38 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Oh alright, I always assumed the picture was a still from some film.
Tomble ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:30:28 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I wish it was, it would be pretty interesting!
MythGuy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:07:13 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I've always been skeptical of photos like these. "Woo! They're dots. I guess aliens drive dots now, or that a spirit is just a simple point of light." So, I've been skeptical, but I've never actually known about the lens reflection thing. It's pretty neat.
Tomble ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:11:11 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, if the photo is uncropped, you can draw a line from each corner to form a cross with the intersection in the very center. Then when you draw lines from the light source to the suspected reflection, they should pass through the center. Some good examples thanks to google image search.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:11:22 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
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APiousCultist ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:20:55 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Might have been stuff there, this photo doesn't have to not be lens flares though. You're making the assumption that the photo is definitely of the same thing.
Tomble ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:24:18 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)*
Are you joking? Look at the photo. Line up the sky lights with the lights on the ground. What's your explanation for what can be perfectly explained by lens flare?
I'm not dismissing the entire event based on lens flare. I'm saying that the photo is bad evidence. The photo has been brought up as evidence, but it's poor evidence. Let's put it aside and consider the other evidence.
You have to prove that this picture shows the objects shown on radar.
Congratulations, this is actually a strawman argument. You've assumed that I've seen a photo which can be explained by lens flare and thrown out the entire case. I haven't. I haven't addressed any of the other evidence in this case at all, because that's not what the post was about.
Why so angry? So I'm not allowed to say that one piece of evidence brought up is not good, because other pieces of evidence exist?
Well, yes. Because I was looking at one piece of evidence. I made no conclusions about the case as a whole, the radar evidence or eyewitness accounts, I was looking at the photo. Why does it make you so angry that it probably has a mundane explanation?
If you have a good explanation for the photo, and why the lights line up perfectly as expected with lens flare, then please contribute.
edit : And then /u/sefirah downvoted me and deleted their comments and account...? o_O Easier than forming a coherent argument against the points I raised, I guess.
figglyy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:51:54 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
just a Reflektor
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:45:54 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
There were also dozens of witnesses to this as well.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1952_Washington,_D.C._UFO_incident
Sounds like you may want to just disprove as opposed to know what is really going on
Tomble ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 16:03:04 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Okay. Were they witnessing the exact thing purported to be shown in this image? By which I mean, did someone say "What the hell are those lights above the Capitol?" and then raise a camera and take this photo?
Sounds like you may want to just believe as opposed to knowing what is really going on.
So which is more likely? That the photo shows an example of lens flare, a well known effect which correlates exactly with the light sources in the picture, or a fleet of UFOs which have decided to fly in a formation that precisely matches what we would expect to see from lens flare?
Wanting to know what is really going on involves disproving things as much as proving them. Dropping your standards for proof because an explanation for a phenomenon conforms to what you want to be true harms the strength of your claims.
I've had a lifelong interest in UFOs, but I've also had a lifelong interest in reality. It's cool to think of a fleet of mysterious orbs flying over the Capitol to the astonishment of witnesses, but this picture doesn't stand up to honest scrutiny.
FirstRyder ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:26:13 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I'm willing to automatically dismiss any "UFO" picture/sighting that is of a light at night. Because:
Seriously. Not just "I will give your evidence little weight", I literally will not believe any number of people who claim to have seen a UFO regardless of the amount or quality of evidence, if what they actually saw was lights in the sky.
Lyle91 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:24:12 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I agree, but on your last point, they would be aliens, so who knows if they'd even make sense to us.
FirstRyder ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:40:11 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
To make an interplanetary journey they must necessarily be at least somewhat logical.
They may view the situation differently than us (i.e. not caring if they're seen or not) but what they wouldn't do is stay out of sight of advanced equipment and generally make an effort not to be seen... but then light up the exterior of their ship.
Lyle91 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:44:31 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Unless they're so advanced that their children just come here to mess with us knowing that it's illegal to make themselves known to humans until we are ready. ;)
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:15:45 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
holy assumptions batman
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:22:15 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
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Tomble ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:46:26 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I don't think so.
These 'objects' in the photo? How do you know? How do you explain the precise alignment of the 'objects' with the floodlights? Radar scopes detected something, but we have no proof it was what is purported to be in this photo.
Of course not. You seem to have assumed that this photo is a photo of the objects detected, taken at the time the radar was detecting them.
But why should we accept it? A good argument doesn't go "Once we accept I'm right, you're wrong". We have a photo which has a mundane explanation which perfectly explains the observed phenomena. Where is your hard evidence? Don't say it's radar, because we don't have a concrete connection between the radar observations and this photo. I don't doubt the radar tracking, but I do doubt this photo.
How is it UNREASONABLE? The photo - not film - shows precisely what we can expect to see from lens flares. Precisely. It's a well known effect. If I'm incorrect about how lens flare presents itself, let me know. There is no reason to assume this photo is a photo taken of objects seen on radar. It's UNREASONABLE to assume that this photo is absolutely, without a doubt, a photo of the objects which returned a radar signal. And what do you mean 'while its being filmed'? Do you mean the single still photo? The USAF didn't receive a picture of some lens flares, and scramble jets, they did it based on radar returns.
How is my scrutiny dishonest? Do you have a better explanation for the lights being so perfectly in step with what we'd see with lens flare? If so, I would honestly like to hear it. It's disingenuous to insist the photo must be true because it adheres to a narrative which you want to be true. The photo is bad evidence, let's put it aside and concentrate on the interesting stuff, like what the hell was in the skies that was getting radar returns. Clinging to it is a distraction.
APiousCultist ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:18:35 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Alternatively: There was UFOs. However this is a photo of the capitol building with lens artifacts.
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 16:06:05 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
The issue is you are taking the photo as the only point of evidence here. I'm not saying these are aliens. What I am saying is with the witness and radar accounts these are a true definition of the word UFO.
Tomble ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:18:05 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Correct, in a sense. I'm only analyzing the photo. My conclusion is that the photo is an example of lens flare. I haven't used this conclusion to say that there was nothing to the 1952 UFO incident. I haven't mentioned the radar tracks or the eyewitnesses, because in this instance we aren't discussing the case as a whole, we are looking at the photo which was posted and judging its merits.
Sure, but the photo does not seem to be a credible piece in the puzzle. Once we see that it can be quite reasonably explained as a mundane effect of camera optics, we should put is aside and look at the rest of the evidence. Hanging on to it as evidence despite its weakness doesn't strengthen the case.
dotMJEG ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:41:47 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
na-HAIL-ed it
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:09:46 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)*
Are we ignoring the fact that the objects were picked up on radar and that quite a lot of people saw them over several different days, also that the Military had a press conference on them, or did you just forget to mention this in your comment, mainly focusing on the photo?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1952_Washington,_D.C._UFO_incident
Tomble ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:42:59 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I've been through all this.
If we waste our time with bad evidence, we're not doing ourselves any favours. It's not about ignoring facts, it's about analyzing the pieces of evidence we have and seeing what stands up to scrutiny.
Do you think there is value in ignoring the fact that this photo is almost certainly lens flare?
aazav ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:18:40 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Why would people take photos of lights in the sky if they did not see the lights in the sky first?
How could it be internal reflections if they see them first?
APiousCultist ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:19:59 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Ignoring how the capitol building is the centerpiece of the photo. I mean, no one would take a photo of that.
Tomble ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:26:06 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Did they? How do you know? It's not unknown for people to take pictures of famous, illuminated buildings at night. There are a lot of UFO photos that run along the lines of "I took this photo, and later noticed strange objects in the sky".
[deleted] ยท -8 points ยท Posted at 14:56:22 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
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Tomble ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 15:00:18 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I only posted it a few minutes ago.
phaed ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:20:16 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Up you go!
Tomble ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:04:09 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Hey, I can see my house from here!
txgb324 ยท 283 points ยท Posted at 14:55:03 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
http://i.imgur.com/6iEcWYS.jpg
This is a still, cropped from the original video. The whole frame includes the street lights in front of the building. They're refracting inside the camera lens.
user188 ยท 178 points ยท Posted at 14:28:33 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)*
There's only one picture of it though. If there were that many UFOs you would think there might be more photos
Edit: a bunch of people are telling me that cameras weren't as common in the 50s, which, don't worry, I was aware of. There were enough cameras in 1950 that there would be more than one picture of a horde of UFOs flying over the capital of the United States.
Another edit: please stop messaging me, I know that I don't have enough evidence to prove that this picture is fake, I wasn't trying to. I didn't know anything about this incident until I saw this picture. I was just trying to point out a flaw that seemed unusual to me. If you're looking for somebody to argue the validity of the 1952 UFO swarm of Washington D.C., I'm not your guy.
5741354110059687423 ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 14:32:59 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah but it is 1953, not everyone had cameras on them back then.
[deleted] ยท 34 points ยท Posted at 14:44:37 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I could buy that excuse if it had said 1853, but 1953? No, enough people had cameras by then that if ufo's swarmed D.C. there would be more than just one low quality photograph that looks like a still from a very cheap mass produced camcorder.
Bkeeneme ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:22:32 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I wonder what time the pic was snapped? Perhaps most folks were asleep.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:25:48 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
According to the 1950 US census, D.C. had a population of 802,178. Even if you assume that 99% of the population was asleep, that still leaves more than 8,000 people up and about the city. An event like that would have also attracted massive media attention almost instantly if it had actually happened.
user188 ยท 25 points ยท Posted at 14:36:52 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Not everyone, but enough people did that there would be more pictures of a swarm of UFOs over the USA capital.
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 14:45:35 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Were there? What was the ratio of camera to non camera owners in DC in 1952? Also consider info traveled slower then, if one person saw this it doesn't mean that all of a sudden everyone knew.
crucifixionexpert ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 14:55:48 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
It was over the fucking capitol.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:17:50 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
It looks pretty dark though, how many people were even up. I'm not saying I think there were UFO's or that this isn't a fake photo. I do think i'ts a fake. I just didn't like the argument being presented I guess.
srtad ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:58:14 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
But it was still a tourist destination so the chances that people would have direct access to a camera is way higher than most places.
FauxMoGuy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:01:02 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Information doesn't have to travel fast. 1950 in the nation's capital and only one person with a camera looked up?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:18:59 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
It's look pretty dark out. Might not have been people out to look up.
I do think it's fake though.
antuna ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:02:08 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
If there was a swarm of UFO's above your city, you would know. You dont need someone to tell you, or broadcast it. If you went outside during that time (keep in mind at this time many people were not confined inside by television, video games, and reddit), you would see that.
hamsterbackpack ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:34:36 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
About 1/3 of Americans had tvs iirc. Cameras were already being cheaply mass produced (and had been since 1900) and the low price + the booming postwar economy meant that they were readily in reach of the average consumer. While I can't find any numbers I would venture at LEAST 1/2 of people in DC but probably more (closer to 3/4) since we're talking an urban area. I mean how many people do you know whose parents don't have family snapshots from the 50s?
user188 ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 14:49:44 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I don't know the ratio but personal cameras have been around for a long time
GreenEggsAndKablam ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:57:17 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Respectfully, I'm not sure you can't argue that the lack of picture evidence disproves the story, when you also have no evidence of
FUTUR1STINEN ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:44:12 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
But what are the chances more than one camera owner in Washington D.C. first saw the UFOs and then had their camera near them to take a picture?
ntoad118 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 14:54:12 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
A lot of tourists for a start
user188 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:49:10 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Probably pretty high
[deleted] ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 14:49:37 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Dude someone was posting from inside the school of the shooting the other day within half an hour.... Lots of people out there.
nigcules ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:59:26 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
This was in the 50s. If you expect someone to be tweeting about the UFO sightings in DC in the 1950s. That's true supernatural shit.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:07:20 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
It was still the capital, lots of people, journalists for sure.
nigcules ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:31:01 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Still; it wasn't like today's modern times. There was maybe 5-10 people in DC with a camera. And that's a big maybe. Cameras back then costed thousands. There were no personal point and shoots.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:47:14 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
In the 50s? You sure? We had color film by then man....
pHorniCaiTe ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:41:53 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
5-10 people...
More people recorded FDR on video than that.
rtnal90 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:06:35 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
It's funny how the rate of UFO-sightings has decreased at the same rate as the general access to cameras has increased.
neuvroomancer ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:03:33 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
There is video. First, a fake, cf. this analysis. But there is some video of it here!. There is better footage from another old docu-show like that one, but I can't seem to find it right now....
xb4r7x ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:08:02 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I'm sure the government had a few... You don't think they would have attempted to document such an amazing phenomenon?
BurningMelon ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 14:34:38 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I don't think everyone had a camera on them as much as you'd like to think they did in the 50's though.
silentbotanist ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:15:40 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
You are a liar and a fraud.
is what you were afraid the little red envelope would say
[deleted] ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 14:33:24 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
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Expir ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 14:55:47 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Well everyone has a camera of some sort now, so cameras being 'not as common as they are now' is an incredibly vague statement.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 14:49:16 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I imagine if that was real that was a very brief moment. A ufo probably goes ridiculously fast. It would be difficult to get multiple pics.
mmx2000 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 14:53:52 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)*
They were also tracked on multiple radars: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1952_Washington,_D.C._UFO_incident plus many witnesses and an official response from the Air Force (temperature inversion) later proved to be BS and impossible with current weather conditions.
๐๏ธ yzbro ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 14:17:10 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
This is pretty awesome
Norillim ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:59:31 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
A lot of people are replying that not as many people had cameras then. Well there was obviously one person there with a camera and I can't imagine being okay with only taking one photo of something like this.
notgayinathreeway ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:11:33 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)*
On the 50th anniversary, in 2002, at the top of the AOL news was posted something extremely similar to this, talking about strange lights over the White House. It wasn't talking about this incident, it was talking about something that had happened just minutes before. I read the article, my brother read the article, I sent it to a couple of friends, and within minutes of it being posted, the article was taken down.
EDIT: http://www.unicusmagazine.com/html/images/blueUFOoncapitol2.jpg
Jets were reportedly scrambled over the white house as well.
EDIT 2: I believe reports were that they chased something over Maryland, and then whatever they were chasing just took off and left them when they were going top speed in F-16s
Dem79bones ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:15:51 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
This looks to be an old photo of night hawks. The circle the dome just about every night when there isn't inclement weather. I know this because I am from dc and see this all the time. I thought they were bats at first but was corrected by other residents.
OriginalityIsDead ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:36:02 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
That's almost certainly Pareidolia.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:22:57 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Why does it never happen outside of the U.S.?
JohnCalvinCoolidge ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:25:51 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
What bothers me most about this is that the URL say the White House when it clearly is a picture of the Capitol.
nukalurk ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:15:27 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
That website apparently doesn't know the difference between the White House and the Capitol Building.
TampaPowers ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:41:06 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I have seen something like this over the Mediterranean sea two years ago. Some strange lights over the water that then came shooting across the sky. Very similar formation.
[deleted] ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 14:53:33 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
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Tomble ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 14:55:25 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
If you were a seafaring race, why would you sail a vast distance at great personal risk to check out a bunch of finches on an island chain? Not that I think aliens are visiting us, but if they had perfected interstellar travel, I reckon humans would be kind of interesting to check out.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:00:11 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
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Shortythecat ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:23:53 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I disagree completely, if they wanted to wipe us out they would've done it before we had nukes and tanks. I think most alien species wouldn't just wipe out another one, intelligent life is way too rare.
Car-Los-Danger ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:02:09 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
You're expecting the aliens to do what you would do. Or what humans would do. What leads you to believe that they have the same wants and needs as humans?
phaed ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:15:57 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)*
Uhh to see the vast richness of life developing elsewhere? Why do we visit just about any place on earth from the deepest oceans to the microscopic, surely its not to see advanced technology.
Car-Los-Danger ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:00:48 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
This is a common misunderstanding of what the term "alien" means. Think of it this way. Their wants and needs are going to be alien. This means, something completely outside of what humans wants and needs. Think of it this way. I want a lobster dinner. i set the table, bring the water to a boil and then wait for the lobster to show up. Obviously I'm going to go hungry because the lobster has different wants and needs and is busy doing it's own thing. It's just a human conceit to think that others want what we want. The simple fact is, that we have NO WAY of knowing what an aliens wants and needs are.
mattcuz83 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:02:06 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
This is what you are MOST convinced by??!!
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 21:01:42 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
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ShaftPunk ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 22:17:50 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
The statue that opened its eyes I'm not sure if it was ever proven a hoax or not
Kruug ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:52:25 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
According to the comments, it's supposed to do that. Mechanical and all...
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 09:33:42 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 39 points ยท Posted at 15:59:16 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
This one someone sent in to The Shadowlands has always bugged me. The "ghost" is the guy standing behind the woman sitting down on the far left. His head position looks so unnatural.
http://theshadowlands.net/ghost/gallery/gallery_files/allofus.jpg
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 21:03:24 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I think you've got a picture of "The Smiling Man" there.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:24:16 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, I guess what looks like leaning could be dancing/swaying.
XxmsmaliciousxX ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 18:54:21 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Weird. I mean. It could very well be a man walking into the frame, but the whole body looks weird. The head position, the arm length, position of the legs. Even the size of the head is weird. It's like, he's elongated. Similar to bodies that have hung for awhile. I tried to go to the site, but it doesn't load properly for my iPad. Is there a backstory to this photo?
HowieGaming ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 20:57:45 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
He looks completely "normal" to me. A guy in my class is handicapped and he looks seriously just like this.
XxmsmaliciousxX ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:36:38 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Never considered that!
Gutterman2010 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:00:27 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Wandering Crack baby all grown up?
arquebus_x ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:38:51 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
It looks like he's sitting on the edge of something.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:40:21 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
If you go here: http://theshadowlands.net/ghost/gallery/ and click on the slideshow, it's the second pic in the slideshow. The Shadowlands is an old site that is still updated, but I think they rebuilt it recently and everything doesn't work right yet, so the back story is cut off in the middle. Basically, what the description said was that they took a pic of a group of friends, the guy wasn't there when they took it, but he was there when they got the film developed. The third and fourth slides are closeups of the guy.
Obviously it could be fake, but he just looks so weird I've always found it to be very creepy. Like you said, the size of the head is wrong, and for me it kind of puts it into uncanny valley territory.
alwaystakeabanana ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:05:19 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Oh man I used to spend a lot of time on that site.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:27:13 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Me too, I think I read every story they had on it back in the early 2000s.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:27:02 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
what creeps me out is the barbie doll on the bottom right hand side.
gcta333 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:01:32 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Most likely a weirdo. But yah still creepy.
SushiJuice ยท 27 points ยท Posted at 16:45:20 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)*
A seemingly cloaked ship near the planet Mercury, apparently revealed by a Coronal Mass Ejection
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yHt3uRRarxk&amp;feature=youtube_gdata_player
EDIT: for the uninitiated, here's a video explaining what you're looking at (starts at 0:30) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6X96xI1gLdQ&feature=youtube_gdata_player
dontgoatsemebro ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 22:38:45 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Somebody doesn't know how to fluid dynamics.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:15:36 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Not seen that before, but it's pretty interesting!!
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:47:26 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I totally forgot about this!
Ein326 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:19:39 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Im not sure what im suppose to be seeing.
Sapper42 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:49:46 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Looks lime the Normandy
Sapper42 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:50:40 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Looks like the Normandy
FredeJ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:42:56 on December 16, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I love it when they say "obviously" and "no other explanation" and then conclude it's a spaceship. They just jump straight to that, and assume cloaking devices and intergalactic travel before considering anything inside our current explanation of the universe.
sportsguy4life ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 18:12:01 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
http://youtu.be/6r2BVcS3jM4 this is a video that I have seen on the internet and it's in my area, supposedly it's a UFO and they have some sort of green lasers on it. First half of the video is pictures, other half is video
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:22:29 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
The problem I have with 'UFO' videos at night is this - If they are aliens why would they fly in ships that are bright lights advertising themselves? And, if it's some secret military craft we (or another government) made, then the same question applies. It makes no sense in either scenario that craft which would apparently be highly advanced would have such an elementary flaw to them like bright illuminations. Even today with our technology we have the ability to cloak an object a little bit. Aliens which would be millions of years more advanced than us would certainly have this down to an art form.
karmavorous ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:22:36 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Not that I believe in any of this shit, but...
If aliens are coming here for some reason, and they're collecting something or doing some kind of research, and they know the extent of our weapons, and they know that some larger percentage of the people on the planet (including the Governments that control the dangerous weapons) don't believe they exist. And most of us are about as dangerous to them as mice are to us.
Then why would they even care about from hiding from us.
The Douglas Adams fan inside of me thinks that Earth is like a little podunk backwater part way between two major Galactic Commerce centers.
The only people who bother to stop here do so only do so out of extreme necessity. A flat spacetire or the spacekids needs to use the bathroom and can't even wait one more exit to get to Alpha Centauri.
Maybe ever 1000 years the Galactic Security Service flies over and makes a big deal just to test the local inhabitants threat level and then they go away for another 1000 years.
The everyday UFOs are the Clark Griswolds of the Galaxy...
PavelDatsyuk ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:17:08 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I'm in Michigan. Why haven't I heard of this? D:
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:53:37 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I hadn't either. I searched online, but there aren't any real news sources with anything on it. Was a reddit post though.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:57:00 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
http://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/1pmwp7/ufo_close_encounter_videotaped_in_michigan_usa/
rasheemhashmir ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 18:28:54 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
http://imgur.com/gqbh1Yg
My girlfriend and her sister went on a ghost tour In Gettysburg. When they reviewed their pictures they saw this very distinct shadow.
They did think to take followup pictures, but this one wasn't taken quick enough to help confirm.
http://imgur.com/snYymzW
I tried posting this when it originally occured, but did not have any way to confirm authenticity. Here is the link to that thread:
http://www.reddit.com/r/pics/comments/12r4z4/upon_reviewing_photos_from_a_gettysburg_ghost/?sort=confidence
My brother and his girlfriend returned to the same ghost tour and tried to recreate the photo, when they stood in that spot they were fully illuminated and easily discernible. If anyone is actually interested enough I could get those pictures for reference.
ErniesLament ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:27:55 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
What am I supposed to be looking for here?
rasheemhashmir ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:49:51 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Right in front of the red door, there wasn't anyone there.
TheNorwishHedge ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 16:28:32 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Our local newspaper wrote a story about a man who was walking his dog in a large forest area (something he had been doing a lot), while taking some pictures along the way.
When he got home and looked at the pictures, he noticed an unusual figure in this picture of his dog jumping over a log.
The man said he had not noticed the figure in the background, and that it must have been standing in the middle of a path, based on where it's located in the photo.
ErniesLament ยท 48 points ยท Posted at 23:21:39 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Is that a fucking velociraptor?
CaIIous ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:52:34 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
rofl
S_Nickels ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 22:57:42 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Looks like a giant duck.
King_Pumpernickel ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:27:56 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Looks like a guy crouched down in a straitjacket. Weird.
[deleted] ยท 48 points ยท Posted at 15:36:11 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Did anyone see that picture Peaches Geldof posted, her and her baby in the bathtub and a tiny mysterious hand on her shoulder? http://instagram.com/p/hwnVlUyTIo/
BTW I think we should turn this thread into a drinking game - everytime anyone says pareidolia DRINK!
outfoxthefox ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 17:25:51 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
That's seriously just her own hand.
thisismyivorytower ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:49:35 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, she's in the bath with her knees up, holding her child between her. That is her hand on top of her own knees.
macrocosm93 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:02:55 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
So she has 3 hands? One holding her baby, one on top of her knee, and one holding the camera and taking the picture?
thisismyivorytower ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:19:23 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
No, the hand holding the camera is also holding her baby, as the child will be leaning back on her arm, whilst her hand is holding the camera.
outfoxthefox ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:47:06 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
She's in the tub with the kid. Her right knee is on the left, you can see the water line. Her right hand is resting on her knee. Her child is against her chest, her left hand is taking the photo. She is leaning forward.
TheSandyRavage ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:03:07 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Holy fuck! 3spooky4me
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:15:49 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 18:26:06 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
yeah, she used to be a party girl way back in the day but that's not really relevant here. It's not usually considered polite to bring that shit up everytime someone mentions their name. Everyone has a past.
Jay_Max ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:28:06 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Fuck that pareioildoiliia shit, those are OBVIOUSLY 3 fingers! Fuck that's creepy.
pumpmar ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:49:35 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
if we drank every time someone said that word we'd be dead by alcohol poisoning
alastairreed ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:03:10 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I read a bit about this, here's a bit more info on it
LordOfTurtles ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:23:04 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
What am I supposed to look at?
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:28:19 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
The tiny hand onher shoulder. I sort of feel like I mentioned that in my post. And that link is to Instagram where there are a whole list of people talking about it.
LordOfTurtles ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:56:15 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Why isn't it her own hand?
NormativeTruth ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:29:29 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
It is.
frnke05 ยท 29 points ยท Posted at 17:55:09 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Mysterious sounds heard across the world February 3, 2013
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oQ6lS4Z2nvA&feature=youtube_gdata_player
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 19:30:27 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
God dammit Megatron...
lessadessa ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 00:38:34 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)*
Video uploaded January 17th 2012?
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 20:12:46 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
A guy debunked this. If you listen to the audio of the noise from different locations it's the same noise. It came from some movie.
D0wn_FaLL ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 23:56:22 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I've actually heard these sounds before though. Southwest Ohio, during a clear day. Was like metal scraping against concrete and the ground vibrated when the sound came. I wish I had recorded it but I was taking a walk at the time and didn't have my phone on me, but there are loads of these videos all around Youtube.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:12:00 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:00:42 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Elaborate.
Dr_Mewball ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 22:20:42 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I can actually hear these droning sounds once in a while in the city where I reside... It doesn't sound as metallic though.
Or are you asking How can I be a movie?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:43:36 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
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deanwormser ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 23:11:31 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
speed it up and it sounds like a buzz-saw.
HiramAbiff33 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:03:42 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Look up the sounds from the new world trade center...sounds just like that all the time over there.
Nasicus ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:10:04 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Wow, that was really freaky if it's real! :O
willthinkformoolah ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:28:19 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I thought this was viral marketing for Mass Effect 3:
jihiggs ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:40:40 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
hoax
InternetFree ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:07:05 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
This is actually the most interesting thing for me.
Not your particular video but there are countless of witnesses and countless of recordings from all around the world.
It's called "The Hum" and is an incredibly common phenomenon. Just look it up on Wikipedia. I heard it myself in Germany.
It's a deep sound and you can feel the vibrations in your body and it's persistent. First you believe it's the engine of a truck amplified by buildings but it just continues. It goes on and on and doesn't change in loudness if you move around in a car for a few kilometers. However, it does eventually stop after moving away for some time.
Some people can't hear the sound for some reason but usually feel the vibrations. I have heard a persistent deep humming. I believe it might be from some kind of tectonic movement but people don't explain it that way.
[deleted] ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 19:57:40 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
The sound is transposed from a movie. The end.
mark5332 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 01:22:07 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Don't know why people are downvoting this guy - he's completely right. Trumpet scene from Red State (contains "Red State" spoilers).
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:29:54 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Which movie?
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:54:12 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Red State.
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 23:57:41 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
This was a commercial.
sp00ked_yuh ยท 53 points ยท Posted at 14:57:04 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
http://www.paranormalhaze.com/10-famous-ghost-pictures-and-their-story/ - this is a pretty good top 10, the one I think is creepy in particular is the guy dressing up as a cowboy and the ghost in the background
nakedjay ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 15:42:43 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
The photos are cool but that blog is filled with so many ads.
OriginalityIsDead ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:48:03 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Ghostery and Adblock Plus change your internet experience, friend.
nakedjay ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:58:39 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I have that on my desktop, cant use extensions in chrome on a ipad.
ajsatx ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:59:32 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
That site gave my Ghostery cancer. 13 instances
OriginalityIsDead ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:12:10 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I only got 7 instances. Either your restrictions are more stringent than mine, or one of us should be very worried.
ajsatx ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:15:01 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
A couple of mine were Facebook and google so I'm not sure
Graendal ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 17:56:38 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
For photo #2:
Wouldn't this do the opposite of lending credibility?
Ein326 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:59:29 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
"No guys its cool. I find ghosts for a living, why would I lie?"
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:10:54 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Following this link on mobile will give you antivirus pop ups.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:22:18 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I've always liked the ones of the Brown Lady and the ghost on the staircase at the National Museum.
Ein326 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:17:08 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
The one on the stair case is the easiest to debunk in my opinion. Long exposure time+ moving body=ghost
MentalDesperado ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:50:01 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Fire Girl is really spooky!
throwaway_fuckyou_x2 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:59:03 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
That has to be one of the worst sites I've ever seen. Everything I hate in a website is right there. Ugh.
gloomdoom ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:32:12 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Jesus christ, the only thing creepy on that page is the website design, the huge onslaught of shitty advertising and spam and horrible coding.
Mugros ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:02:55 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Funny how almost all the "unexplained" photos are from ancient film times. Nowadays a lot more pictures are taken, yet less ghosts are seen. It's almost like the ghosts are the result of the old imaging process....
thanksfortheyear ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:29:03 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
There's a bunch of modern photos in this thread, but it's all "double-exposure" or "dust" according to the scientists of reddit.
[deleted] ยท 177 points ยท Posted at 14:27:30 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
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Anzai ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 15:33:21 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
That looks like discoloration of the bricks to me. It doesn't even have a face.
glynn11 ยท 40 points ยท Posted at 15:56:00 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
It doesn't even have a face...
cnosko00 ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 16:12:40 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Somehow I don't find that comforting...
Anzai ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 16:25:22 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)*
Or a body or a head though. It's a terrifying faceless, headless, bodyless invisible nothing! Run! Or walk, it really doesn't matter, unless your parking meter is about to expire. Then RUN!
thisismyivorytower ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:36:49 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Shit man, I just ran into the wall! It's got me!!
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 15:40:23 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
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Anzai ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:16:20 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
It doesn't even look faked though. It just vaguely resembles a cloaked figure but not really. There's nothing about it that would lead me to believe that's not just exactly what it looks like in person as well.
x1expert1x ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:29:39 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Nah dude your wrong its very real
johnny_gunn ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:14:27 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Pareidolia.
Really obvious pareidolia at that.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:24:48 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Software Adobe Photoshop CS4 Windows Modify Date 2009:05:09 16:11:31
That's the exact time this was saved using Adobe Photoshop.
http://fotoforensics.com/analysis.php?id=e13c9983821836401cf22b718b14ac624a8a1a7d.41598
CherethCutestoryJD ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:44:08 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Looks a lot like the figure in picture posted on this threat from /u/Mitternachtsone/
Mandinder ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 14:53:55 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
That.? It appears to be a picture of nothing.
leeloospoops ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 15:16:52 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
You may want to check this out.
QuantumD ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 15:01:29 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Here, I did some quick editing in paint.net to change the contrast and shit til its a bit more obvious. I can see it somewhat faintly in TheRoosterDog's post, but I can understand if those with different monitors cant. Here you go Should be a bit more obvious.
IMHO its probably just some guy in a cloak standing at the top of some dimly lit stairs, but I dont know enough about the myth to give my opinion.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:35:49 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Eh. I don't know. I have a folder of pictures that I reference from time to time (gifs, creepy shit, etc), and this was in there labeled as Decebal Hotel Ghost so I kind of figured it'd work. Supernatural enough.
probablyreadit ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 14:56:53 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
there's a pretty clear figure of a woman there
Mandinder ยท -6 points ยท Posted at 15:01:26 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Sorry, what I meant was why is this in any way supernatural?
pylon567 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 15:03:27 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Because it looks like a transparent figure is standing there. That's the supernatural thing.
asdjo1 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:14:22 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Doesn't look transparent to me, just looks like a hooded person standing in the dark.
cancerthiscancerthat ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 15:20:46 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
What? Hooded person standing in the dark? The fuck is wrong with you, do you have some sort of brain damage?
asdjo1 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:41:21 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Le bravest of braves, good sir.
dustlesswalnut ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:30:02 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
How is it transparent? There's nothing visible behind the figure.
probablyreadit ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:09:45 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
are you sure you're not just spooked
lolmastergeneral ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:48:09 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Because ghosts are supernatural.
Mandinder ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:09:17 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Why is that a ghost?
OriginalityIsDead ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:53:43 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I don't know, ask the ghost.
greenyellowbird ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:25:02 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
That one just gave me the heebie jeebies.
Patrik333 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:48:10 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
It was purported to have moaned louder than any other ghost in history.
[deleted] ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 01:32:16 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
The dark knight satellite should blow your minds. Man I wish this wasn't buried....
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread950743/pg1
Dance_Monkee_Dance ยท 28 points ยท Posted at 15:42:14 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
The Underwater bloop noise.
Discovered in 1997, it was heard over 3000 miles away underwater, by far the farthest traveling underwater sound ever.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OBN56wL35IQ
ErniesLament ยท 35 points ยท Posted at 16:21:50 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
It was an iceberg cracking. Which is still pretty cool.
TehTrollord ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:56:07 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Nonsense, it's Cthulhu taking a shit.
GreenEggsAndHamX ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:59:34 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I thought it was 2 icebergs rubbing up against eachother.
Dance_Monkee_Dance ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:20:13 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I understand your comment and you are probably right, it just seems to have such rhythm that a part of me thinks it has to be something else.
SQUELCH_PARTY ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:37:15 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Proof?
thisismyivorytower ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:50:39 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
From /u/LavastormSW below
AmStaff_Kratos ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:39:24 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Don't listen to him....it came from mermaids
LavastormSW ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:37:51 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
It was an ice shelf falling into the ocean. Really cool, but not supernatural.
Source: http://www.wired.co.uk/news/archive/2012-11/29/bloop-mystery-not-solved-sort-of
Aceoangels ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:13:22 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Questions: How do scientists actually know it was a cracking ice shelf? Was there a documented crack at the exact moment of the bloop? If not, I would assume past ice shelves have made the same noise but...not at the same decibel?
I prefer to believe it was a US Naval weapon being tested.
"Further, the NOAA team subsequent investigation discovered that the beached whale body tissues were all showing clear evidence of massive sonar impact damage. Their speculative conclusion was that the Navy was testing a new sonar weapon that was either directly killing marine mammals or driving them in fear to get away from it into shallow water and the beaching's. Further, because the Navy had advanced knowledge of the weapon tests timings, that is how they always managed to get to the whale beaching sites first before anyone else."
Sauce: http://www.marsanomalyresearch.com/general-directories/commentary/54/the-bloop.htm
rvrbly ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:41:10 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Actually, they just did an experiment and found that loud noises can travel all the way around the globe under water. Some Australians blew up something in the ocean while someone was listening on the other side of the globe. It worked.
Fragmented663 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:18:31 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I'm upvoting, but find me a link please.
rvrbly ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:41:26 on January 27, 2014 ยท (Permalink)
http://gizmodo.com/how-an-underwater-bomb-in-australia-was-heard-around-th-1480208103
Fragmented663 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:19:58 on January 27, 2014 ยท (Permalink)
Holy shit, a month later and you find me the link. Good link! That's fascinating. Thank you for taking the time. You fucking delivered.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:26:33 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah that was actually very recently explained. Just an iceberg.
gmac13 ยท 168 points ยท Posted at 14:01:36 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
The UFO sightings in Mexico City, 1991
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inoffensive1 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:23:06 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I didn't mean to imply that you should be.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:45:11 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
It's from 1991, probably zoomed pretty far in, and I doubt it was taken professionally, what do you expect?
Mandinder ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:08:06 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I was led to believe it would be convincing.
insectopod ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:45:54 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Can you seriously not tell that they zoomed in a lot to take the pictures?
Mandinder ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:08:49 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
What value is that picture. I can't tell if it's the sky, or the floor, of a cup of soup.
insectopod ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:15:18 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
It looks like clouds in the background of the object, colors are a bit off likely because of crap camera + zoom.
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insectopod ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:46:57 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
It's because they had to zoom in a lot to get a good picture.
WeWillRiseAgainst ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 15:19:34 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
You sound like a fun guy.
PugzM ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:25:32 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
You sound like a credulous guy.
badgeybadger ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:00:01 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Hey now, I enjoy regulated fun now and again.
drewgarr ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 14:36:19 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I believe this was something to do with reflection. There was a solar eclipse or something
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x1expert1x ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:27:52 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I love how every single fucking comment on every comment posted is just some wild uneducated guess with no evidence, gets hundreds of upvotes, but the original posted comment with photo evidence and entire wiki pages is doubted extremely.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:12:19 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I cant call 7 pixels proof of aliens.
Pbo96 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:09:37 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Actually I believe this is one of Jaime Maussan's UFO sightings.
If I remember correctly he was proven a fraud some time ago.
CatMode ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:59:37 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
That's such a shitty photo it could literally be a can of soda that someone threw up
dangerbird2 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:20:03 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
That's definitely not a tin can suspended by a string.
silentbotanist ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:21:53 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
How come UFOs are never in HD?
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:26:01 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
all of the Mexican ones are faked. It's like an art form for them. They use Mylar balloons and the such.
X321ARO ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:05:40 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
DAT resolution!
ratinmybed ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 17:49:13 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
The Bรฉlmez faces. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bรฉlmez_Faces
"The Bรฉlmez Faces or the Faces of Bรฉlmez is an alleged paranormal phenomenon in a private house in Spain which started in 1971 when residents claimed images of faces appeared in the concrete floor of the house. These images have continuously formed and disappeared on the floor of the home.
Located at the Pereira family home at Calle Real 5 [...], Spain, the Bรฉlmez faces have been responsible for bringing large numbers of sightseers to Bรฉlmez. The phenomenon is considered by some parapsychologists the best-documented and "without doubt the most important paranormal phenomenon in the [20th] century""
Personally I don't believe the images are of supernatural origin at all, but I saw a doc about the phenomenon a while ago and it was quite creepy.
GunonGun ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 17:56:52 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_xlyofmznOs&noredirect=1
This video always creeped me out. To me, it appears to be soldiers marching on. Ghost soldiers. Creeeeepy.
Schmuckster ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 19:22:48 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
The Brown Mountain lights in the mountains of NC: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aX3O6EgJ-7U
There is lots of local speculation and lore about this natural anomaly. Even the Cherokee Indians are recorded as observing these lights before Anglo Saxons moved into the area. The USGS even published an inconclusive report on the phenomenon after receiving reports and inquiries from locals about it. I'm going off of memory here, but I believe the scientific explanation posits that the lights have something to do with natural methane seeps and an odd reaction from the earth's magnetic field at this location.
TWK128 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:46:10 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
In short, they have no frikkin' idea.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:47:06 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
OK, friendly nitpick:
"Anglo Saxons" ceased to exist as a culture long, long before the American Colonial period. Anglo Saxons were a set of Germanic tribes that invaded Britain and held the land that is now called England between about 450 and 1066 CE. Within a century or two after the Norman Conquest of England in 1066, the Anglo Saxons had become "the English".
The western North Carolina mountains were settled by the English and Scots-Irish.
Schmuckster ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:07:20 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Ok so, Anglo "descendants" then. Are you going to correct me on calling the Cherokee "indians" as well? :)
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:44:18 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Nah. "Indians" has become a colloquially accepted term for Native Americans, even if it's not politically correct, strictly speaking.
gonzooin ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 22:27:51 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Did you heard of the Arecibo answer ?
The Arecibo message was a message composed of 1 and 0 witch contain information about earth like atmosphere elements and human kind with basic DNA informations. We send the message through space during the seventies.
In 2011, 3 crop circles were discovered with an "Arecibo answer" !
More info here
And anywhere on the web , keyword Arecibo message and answer
emperor000 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:06:33 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
People make crop circles. People made these crop circles, too.
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emperor000 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:22:14 on December 16, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
How what? How do they make them? They have a tool (or several) they use to make them... It is known.
proudsoul ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:48:18 on December 16, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
it is a simple as rope and a board.
emperor000 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:35:22 on December 16, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
No, I wasn't asking how they make them. I was asking if that is what gonzooin was asking.
Right, it's that simple. That is why I was surprised gonzooin would be asking how we could possibly create them and speculate that it must be some advanced technology they bestowed upon us...
proudsoul ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:52:56 on December 16, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Since you did not say what the tools were I thought others might like to know. I was only adding to your comment not answering a question.
emperor000 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:33:32 on December 17, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Oh, okay.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 22:31:18 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
http://inter-intelligence-communications.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/norwayspiraltwo1292009.jpg
this spiral in the sky that appeared in Norway still confuses me.
TheJaroftheWest ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 23:53:01 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
That was a malfunctioning missile.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:31:56 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I will never believe a missile had to do with that, nice try though.
TheJaroftheWest ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:26:46 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Okay.
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through_a_ways ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 23:49:46 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
No, it's not.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009_Norwegian_spiral_anomaly
[deleted] ยท 455 points ยท Posted at 13:59:07 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
http://shadowboxent.brinkster.net/images3/newby.JPG
I think its been posted before in a thread like this.
The thing with this photo is that you'll simply think that its fake, but numerous attempts have been made trying to recreate or "backwards" layer the picture but all have failed.
Rudiger036 ยท 1015 points ยท Posted at 14:10:19 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
This wasn't faked in photoshop, it's just a double exposure.
[deleted] ยท 346 points ยท Posted at 14:59:07 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Yessiree it is. Simple photo technique of the old people. Also used it in film to make people magically appear.
LeRobot ยท 46 points ยท Posted at 16:03:17 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
As an old person, I confirm this. Used to make ghost pictures all the time. Younger generations with digital cameras seem to have difficulty grasping the process of multiple exposures, since today's cameras don't allow it.
Fo those who don't know, it was possible to take a picture, wind the film back and take another picture on the same frame of film. Since that means exposing more light on the same piece of film, care needed to be taken to underexposed the first shot, or make sure the second shot (ghost) was taken against a black background.
worldDev ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 17:56:21 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
you can also do it in the dark room with much better control.
LeRobot ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:23:40 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Indeed. Thanks for adding that.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:10:40 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Some digital cameras allow you to take multiple exposures. Mine does: http://www.flickr.com/photos/badcomputer/6844622730/
10thTARDIS ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:19:04 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I can do it with a digital camera. Usually by doing a long exposure, having somebody walk out in front, flash them with an off-camera flash, and flashing the scene again after they move off. I should post a couple of those pictures...
payik ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:39:34 on December 17, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
You can do it easily with a digital camera, just take two pictures and add them in editing software.
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Yeah, honestly that's not even slightly vauge. They're just shoving it in your fact.
EDIT: Ok, face, I'm sorry. I'm gonna keep it that way so that the comment below stays relevant.
scoobs ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 15:55:35 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I hate when people shove things in my fact.
Jonny_Segment ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:13:16 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Particularly things that aren't even slightly vauge.
Forgototherpassword ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:55:03 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
White Santa was a double exposure?!?
raznog ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:42:11 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Yup, I've taken many pictures just like that.
shutyourgob ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:35:40 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I love the arrogance needed to authoritatively claim that it "is" a double exposure.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 22:04:44 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
And I love the downvote button.
Knockerbot ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 15:02:56 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah I could do this very quickly.
Latvian-potato ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 15:03:38 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
My dad showed me this trick when I was a kid.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:46:34 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
its what they did before photoshop people
[deleted] ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 15:01:07 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Came to say this. It's really simply photographic manipulation.. Without real software!
poopnuts ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:30:52 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Yup. Place camera on tripod. Calculate exposure. Take one picture of the scene at half the shutter speed/ISO/aperture of correct exposure. Have "ghost" step into scene. Take a second picture with the same shutter speed/ISO/aperture as the previous picture. Film develops at proper exposure with "ghost".
rsmalley ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:13:40 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
But that face though...
depricatedzero ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:21:55 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
at first I thought the figure was further back beside the altar and I'm like "it's a skeksi!"
chancrescolex ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:27:23 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
So you're saying it was faked in a photo shop
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CaptainAction ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 16:07:14 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
That figure looks really weird. It seems to have some kind of mask or veil on it's face, but it's misshapen. It doesn't look right. I don't doubt that it's a double exposure, but I can't figure out how they achieved that ghostly face.
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Dont_Be_Like_That ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 14:45:47 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
So you're saying 'actual' ghosts look different?
Spurioun ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:01:12 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
No, he's saying that people think that's what ghosts looked like at the time which is why A) people thought that was a ghost, or B) They faked that photo to look like that. Same with UFOs and aliens and fairies and bigfoot.
typodaemon ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:47:52 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Exactly. Which is why all ghosts in the 80's looked roughly the same
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:04:12 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Wait, his name is Pokey, but his nickname is Clyde?
giraffe_taxi ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:53:34 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
What I read from that is not that 'actual' ghosts look different, although that is actually pretty close.
Rather I think fatfook is pointing out that distinct features of "supernatural" sightings often seem limited to groups of people who can trace said feature back to a single person's initial 'experience'. Also, some features seem to evolve and disappear over generations, almost like styles of fashion or contemporary slang.
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Dont_Be_Like_That ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:25:49 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Unless all the ghosts got together and collectively decided to start f'n with us.
Point taken...
turtlenipples ยท 113 points ยท Posted at 14:04:11 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Do you have links to any evidence for these alleged attempts?
[deleted] ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 14:06:33 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Best source i could find.
http://ghosts.wikia.com/wiki/Newby_Church
turtlenipples ยท 203 points ยท Posted at 14:15:52 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I mean this with the greatest respect and with no desire to be a dick about it whatsoever, but that isn't evidence.
Thank you for responding though!
Antmilk ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 14:45:08 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
So if this isn't a double exposure on film, then what the FUCK is and how do they differ?
[deleted] ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 15:49:40 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
It's double exposure... The linked site simply says
No source, no names, no nothing. On a site dedicated to ghosts no less. I hate to break it to you, but people lie on the internet.
Snuhmeh ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 17:19:48 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Not being tampered with simply means no one fucked with the film. But you make a double exposure by exposing the same frame two different times. Inside the camera. Therefore the fil isn't tampered with. It's silly semantics.
Shadax ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:43:33 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
He said best he could find. As in "I'm helping you with your request, but it's all I got"
ysoseriousbro ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:33:18 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Way to be a dick about it
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robotteeth ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 14:54:04 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
What they forgot to say was those scientists were a marine biologist and a podiatrist and didn't actually know anything about photography
Car-Los-Danger ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 18:26:22 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
You assume that the "Scientific Method" changes based on the discipline you study. It does not. They may not be photographers, but it doesn't mean they don't know how to do science.
792155002 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 14:49:36 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Sold!
Milstar ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:56:59 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Bill Murray to sign off on it.
TheTrueRory ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 15:00:22 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Provides zero citations or secondary accounts.
KTR2 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 15:31:19 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
No.
Just, no.
I used to be big into photography...real photography, not this digital shit. There are so many ways you could fake that photo using traditional film.
The easiest and most obvious would be the double-exposure. What that means is that he'd basically set the camera up and figure out the proper exposure time (let's just say 60 seconds), then take a photo for HALF of that time (30 seconds), have a guy hop up there in costume and take another photo on the same film/plate for the other half (30 seconds). However, the ghost would look not only transparent, but a bit washed out...likley much more washed out than we see in that photo. So, maybe that's not what they did.
More than likely, they did some tinkering in the darkroom (you know, where the term "photoshop" originated). What it looks like to me is that they took 2 completely separate photos (producing 2 negatives). The first of the church, and the other of the "ghost" on a bright white background (which would be completely black in the negative, blocking the light from the enlarger and leaving the remaining paper unexposed). Then they simply printed one on top of the other (first the ghost, then the church).
Once they had the first print, they could have then created a new negative by taking a photo of the print itself. That would have been more than enough to convince gullible people that it was a "totally real" ghost picture.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:13:30 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
your best source is ghosts.wikia.com ... this thread is full of people who just NEED to believe in something
razdrazchelloveck ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:09:31 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Uhh... I don't think people are saying they BELIEVE in any of this stuff, maybe it's just fucking interesting. But hey, whatever makes your neckbeard grow longer I guess.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:01:46 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I don't make huge reaches to try to make a ghost picture even seem plausible = neckbeard... ok baud.
Beastybeast ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:24:34 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I fixed the typos in the article. There were so many. I wonder if illiteracy and believing in ghosts are related.
Galletaraton ยท 116 points ยท Posted at 14:07:43 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Simple long exposure. Anyone can do this.
0_0_7 ยท 56 points ยท Posted at 14:51:44 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I don't think its an exposure thing- I used to develop sheet film by hand in trays (old tymey cameras) and sometimes the film wouldn't have the developing chemicals wash over them correctly in some spots and stuff like this would happen. It looks more like a blob that people are interpreting as a spooky guy than some guy dressed up who was photographed and then double exposed.
rabbitgods ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 15:06:23 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I use large format all the time for college, you do get some pretty weird marks, but that is an awfully specific mistake.
I still think double exposure.
deadbeatsummers ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:04:47 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Agreed. If you look at the bottom of his "robe," it's carefully shaped so it looks like it's resting over the step.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:18:51 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Thank you for specifying "old tymey cameras" ...I was completely lost!
Anzai ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:29:47 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
It has a shadow on the stairs though. It's a guy in a costume, and he blocked the light from the window when he stood there.
0_0_7 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:40:37 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
The light and dark areas of a photograph are developed by chemical processes and the amount of time the area is exposed to the chemical if its not entirely even, weird shit happens. It's been a while since I've done it but say if one area did not get developer on it for the same period of time as the rest (such as when the film sheets stick a little bit together in the trays) bringing up the image might not occur completely and that area would be darker, maybe if the film was still stuck a bit together here the face is, the fixer wouldn't take as much and the film would continue to expose in that area (maybe I have those areas backwards) but I've had tons of really bizarre looking artifacts occur when processing film.
Anzai ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:18:01 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Sure. I've used dark rooms a fair bit as well. I guess it's possible, but this looks more like a long exposure to me. Either way, I think we can agree it's not a ghost!
bubblesnap ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:56:12 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I have a picture of me as a ghost using this method.
Daiwon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:00:12 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Was your halloween getup as cool as this?
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Rudiger036 ยท 106 points ยท Posted at 14:28:54 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)*
It's a double exposure, not a long exposure. It's basically taking a picture on top of another picture. The first picture was taken with the not-ghost, then the not-ghost moved out of the frame and the film was exposed again. Because of the second exposure, the first image of the not-ghost was washed out a bit, creating the transparent illusion. It's the oldest trick in the book.
Edit: This is a double exposure I took of a lake in Canada. Same shit.
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That makes more sense. Thanks!
Also, cool double exposure.
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[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:00:43 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
AAAAHHHH GHOST BOAT
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:01:37 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
What do the 3s mean!?
Rudiger036 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:04:05 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
This was shot on 120 film. The film has a paper backing with numbers printed on it, so you know which exposure you're on. For some reason, The numbers got exposed into the film. I think it may have been because of the film going through x-rays. Totally not ghost 3's.
chainwarden ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:02:04 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
What the fuck, a ghost boat?
Knockerbot ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:05:14 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
As a film photographer I can back up his statement.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:13:44 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
One of my favorite facts about ghosts is that people didn't start believing that they looked like translucent humans until after the spiritualist fad that happened in the late 1800's.
One of the main techniques of spiritualists was to make double-exposures in film (It's an easy thing to do, especially with entirely manual cameras.) Photography was pretty state-of-the-art at the time, so lots of people who didn't know how to develop film themselves fell for these photos.
Before the invention of photography, ghosts in stories looked like solid people or like totally non-human things like mists or animals. I find it so interesting that the use of photography (specifically double exposures) permanently changed that myth.
xandrajane ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:15:34 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Your cool lake picture inspired me to take my cold hands out from under my butt, and upvote.
Rudiger036 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:26:39 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I hope you're happy.
DeadCannon1001 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:26:11 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
It can be done with long exposure and a flash. The subject is in frame for the flash and quickly moves out.
Galletaraton ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 14:22:25 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Sometimes. On a very long exposure the person would be only exposed if they stood still for a long period of time. So to take this photo you set the camera up on a tripod. You have either one or a combination of the following situations; room is very dark, the emulsion on the film is very slow or you've attached a nd filter to your lens. You open your shutter for maybe 30 seconds, 3/4 into your exposure your person with spooky robe on quickly steps into position. Done. easy.
Rudiger036 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 14:32:11 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
That's the complex way of doing it, but it's just a double exposure, not a long exposure.
chatzi09 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:45:36 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Or, you can shoot off a single flash were it will illuminate the subject. And keep them transparent. They just have to stay still. I have tried it and it works.
eyebrows360 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:53:58 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Not necessarily. If the exposure's long enough, you won't see the person moving to and fro the spot where they stand still.
cloudmerchant ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:23:15 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Depends on how fast they were moving, how dark it was in the church and what the camera settings were.
snerhasnerha ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:27:45 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Not if it was just a stationary object
metans ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:49:37 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
what if it was a stationery object?
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 14:34:58 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
If it was just a stationary object, you wouldn't be able to see through it.
aazav ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:20:42 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Could be that as well.
jonnymars ยท 74 points ยท Posted at 14:21:15 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I could recreate this with film, no problem.
[deleted] ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 14:24:04 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
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Milstar ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 14:58:41 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
& I could recreate it simply by right clicking and saving the image.
jonnymars ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:24:57 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
well yep
willllllllllllllllll ยท -6 points ยท Posted at 14:36:06 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Aren't you something special.
Spidon ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 14:47:16 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Just because it can be recreated, doesn't mean the original was done that way. I'm not saying that this is real or fake, I just never liked the idea of "recreating" something because when you have an original to base it on, you can remake anything.
I just don't think "I could make this" is the end of the argument.
ChiefLikesCake ยท 49 points ยท Posted at 15:01:21 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Occams razor. If we can easily recreate the picture using the same technology and theres no other evidence then theres no reason to believe that wasnt the method used in the original photo (accidental or intentional)
Spidon ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:14:09 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
The simplest available theory need not be most accurate. Like, I said, I'm not arguing the validity of this specific photo, but just because it can be recreated in a certain way does not guarantee that it was originally done that way.
If that's all you need to be 100% certain, that's fine. But it doesn't mean others should just stop questioning.
ChiefLikesCake ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 15:16:19 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Its not about certainty its about burden of proof. I feel no need to continue questioning the photo until someone gives me a good reason to.
SirStrontium ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 16:54:34 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
So using Occams razor, there exists no hypothetical "supernatural" event you can experience in your entire life that merits further questioning, because regardless of what you saw or what evidence is in front of you, it can be explained with the idea that you're delusional/hallucinating. That would always be the simpler answer, no?
TheChance ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 17:02:44 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
...Yes.
Your overall tone gives the impression that you think this rebuts the comment above you, but it does not.
SirStrontium ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:54:12 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
The only thing I'm uncomfortable with is the "no need to continue questioning" part. If you preemptively dismiss any and all experience with what you already know, then nothing new can ever be found.
A child experiencing the aurora borealis for the first time should unquestioningly settle with the idea that that everyone is just collectively hallucinating, up until someone proves to them the process behind ionization, solar winds, electron excitation, and Earth's magnetic fields.
If we brought a big hunk of plastic back in time by 300 years, they should assume its some mineral we've dug up out of the ground, regardless of how unlike any rock or mineral it is, because their current knowledge would indicate that it's most likely that they simply haven't found this kind of rock/metal before.
Or if you hypothetically were abducted on your way home from work, got a probe stuck up your ass by aliens, and dropped off on your front porch, you should go on your merry way content in knowing that you just had some temporary psychosis.
If that happened to you, of course you should investigate further. If humanity had always settled with the simplest possible explanation at hand, science would be back in the dark ages. Look, I'm a scientist and skeptic, the picture posted looks incredibly faked/botched; however Occams razor is a guide, and too many people treat it like some pedestal you smugly sit on until someone else who actually went and investigated something comes and knocks you off. People seem far too eager to substitute the certainty of what they already understand, in place of "I'm not really sure".
TheChance ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:18:00 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
You're extrapolating it to situations where it isn't reasonable. Everybody sees the Aurora. The notion that you're all hallucinating is not the most reasonable or likely explanation. To a primitive society, it's the gods. To a reasoned society, the same principle indicates that it's probably not a god, but rather a natural and explicable phenomenon.
ChiefLikesCake ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:40:57 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I don't think you quite understand Occam's Razor. People usually give the common description of "The simplest explanation is usually correct" but that's not what Occam's Razor really means. It state's that the explanation with the fewest and/or simplest assumptions that does not sacrifice explanatory power is usually correct. In each of the cases you gave the simple explanation lacks the explanatory power of the true event. Someone experiencing aurora borealis would have to explain why every person is able to see it, could come back with a clean tox screen, a bill of clean mental health, and falsify the accepted scientific explanation for why it occurs to convince me it was a hallucination. Sure someone with an incomplete understanding of those things may think it was fake or hallucinated or even sourced by magic, but a flawed understanding of the underlying assumptions means you're going to come to an inaccurate conclusion.
As far as the plastic thing goes, you'd have to explain why it had never been found in nature before (uncommon but possible, so it wouldn't rule out the possibility of the substance being natural but it hurts its chances) but even then, again, in the example you're speaking to an audience that presumably doesn't have access to all of the correct assumptions.
Now from here I know you're going to think that the same thing is true relative to me in the aliens case. I've never experienced an alien abduction so I wouldn't know what to expect from one. Somewhat true, but it's not like I have never thought about the idea of one. I've thought extensively about what I would do if I was an "alien" researching another intelligent life and I can tell you I would not abduct random people in the country to anally probe. The truth is I think that the chance of us being the only intelligent life in the universe is next to nil, it's just a matter of how close that other intelligent life is to us and how advanced technologically they are compared to us. Humans have been around for 200,000 years, life on our planet for 3.5 billion years, the universe has been around for nearly 14 billion years, and only in the last 60 years have we traveled outside our atmosphere. People have theorized ways to travel faster than light, particularly the Alcubierre drive that can function, fairly similarly in fact to the Mass Relays in Mass Effect, given that an Element Zero equivalent exists (we don't know if it does). Otherwise though, if FTL travel is impossible, than the chance of us being visited by aliens over any given stretch of time (the 1950s-now) is very slim. Even if such aliens did visit us, who are they more likely to interact with: our top scientists or rednecks?
Anyway, my point is that if someone tells me they were abducted by aliens, it is not my duty to believe them until I can prove them wrong, it is their duty to prove their very statistically improbable but unfalsifiable event occurred. See Russel's Teapot. Once they can demonstrate to me that their circumstances can not adequately be explained by psychosis, hallucination, dreams, drugs, or any of another explanations that I know to be entirely possible and vastly more probable than an alien abduction, then I will begin to accept the possibility of alien invasion. To be clear that includes an accounting of events that cannot be explained by any of the conventional explanations.
Also, I feel like I know where you would try to go in a rebuttal so I'm going to try to cover that area as well. This kind of reasoning still applies to scientific research, in fact I think you would be hard pressed to find a good scientist who doesn't think this way. The key is that science tries to deepen explanatory power of theories. Sometimes that means they get more complicated, however they must only become more complicated when it adds to the explanation/is supported by the evidence. The theory of evolution by means of natural selection is vastly more explanatory than the theory of spontaneous generation, but it is also much more complicated. In the top level comments the only evidence is the photo, and so we can try to refute the photo. If you can give more related evidence, than it may be the case that we have to consider a different explanation. In the case of an alien abduction, if the only evidence is an eye witness account, then that's the only evidence we have to refute.
finite_turtles ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:30:26 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I've had hallucinations before. I don't think they merit any further questions about they were real or not.
If something is persistent, open to investigation, verifiable, demonstrable... basically if it has properties of something which is real then it most certainly DOES merit further investigation.
IRageAlot ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:30:19 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
There is also no pressure to answer, so, "I don't know" would suffice.
CheekyMunky ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 15:03:31 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Sure it is. The photo is held up as evidence of a ghost, which is extremely far-fetched and can only be accepted if NO other plausible explanation can be found. As soon as somebody provides one - such as demonstrating how such a picture can easily be produced with perfectly normal equipment, which is FAR more plausible - there is simply no reason to accept the outlandish "ghost" claim anymore.
Gorehog ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:37:35 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Actually, it is. There's nothing but the photograph and that's been brought into question. What else is there to discuss?
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:48:32 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
no, this is scientific method. If you can reproduce the work, you can take a good guess at how the original was made.
Of course it doesn't rule it out, but it shifts the burden of proof back to the original presenter.
They now need proof the original WASNT made in the reproduced way
SirStrontium ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:10:52 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
How could one possibly go about proving something wasn't faked?
Pepperyfish ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:01:37 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
occams razor what is more likely ghosts exist or a church wanted to try to and prove the existence of a soul?
Shadax ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:46:38 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Why the hell not? We're talking about super natural here; if it can be recreated with the same equipment, there's really nothing left to debate.
Spurioun ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 14:57:58 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
True. With a few thousand dollars I could make footage that looks pretty close to the 1969 Moon landing
Omegamanthethird ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 15:27:25 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
So could they!
But serriously, the moon landing was real.
Spurioun ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:50:50 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
It was real. I just mean that just because something can be faked doesn't mean it's always fake
Omegamanthethird ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:58:55 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I wasn't trying to call you out. I was just being funny. I added the second part so nobody would actually think that I thought the moon landing was fake.
nicholaslaux ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:41:55 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Can you do it using only 1969 technology?
Cowboy_Jesus ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:42:21 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
It's not about whether it can be faked or not, it's about the more likely explanation.
Spurioun ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:48:04 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I know that, you missed my point. My point was being able to recreate something is meaningless because real events can be realistically recreated as well.
Cowboy_Jesus ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:38:34 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Being able to recreate something had plenty of meaning, when the fake is the more likely explanation.
Nyxalith ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:06:07 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Actually, it has been tried with the tech they had available then, and it looked nothing like the actual moon landing. it looked like a film of a recreation of the moon landing.
I'd link it if I could find it again. I'm still working on that.
Spurioun ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:08:03 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I'm talking about todays tech. I'm in no way saying the Moon landing was fake. My point was just because something can be faked doesn't necessarily mean it is fake.
Nyxalith ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:21:14 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Ah, I see. Sorry. You are completely correct.
finite_turtles ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:34:35 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
"I didn't take the last cookie from the jar. Oh, you caught me on camera? well... umm... that was just a demon taking on my physical form to steal the cookie. Oh, the crumbs on my hands? probably the demon again."
At what point does it become not worth giving merit to an outlandish argument?
Spidon ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:42:03 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
That argument is completely different than seeing a skinned cat, and saying "Oh, well I skinned another cat this way, and got the same result, so that must be the only way in which it was done."
In the case of this photo, the priest would have to prove that he didn't do a double exposure, at least not knowingly. So yes, for this particular case, you can come up with a reason on how it was made, and perhaps that is what the priest did. But if your only information is the final photo, coming up with a way to recreate the results is not proof of how the original was made.
I was not trying to argue that ghosts are real, simply that two people saying they got the same result, doesn't mean both people did it the same way.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:18:23 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Well......
peteroh9 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:06:43 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
You could recreate this with any kind of camera. Film, digital, pinhole projection on a wall, wet plate, etc.
Noodle36 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:22:48 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Now whenever anyone finishes a sentence with "no problem", all I can think about is this video.
dquizzle ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:54:10 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I could recreate this with a million dollars...
[deleted] ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 14:19:38 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I don't understand what the difficulty with recreating that picture would be? To create a "ghost" don't you just need a long exposure time and a model who stays perfectly still at the beginning of the exposure before then moving very quickly out of shot (to avoid streak of the figure)?
Rudiger036 ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 14:30:04 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Not a long exposure, a double exposure.
68024 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:16:29 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
You could do this with a long exposure as well, actually.
Dont_Be_Like_That ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:44:22 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Or even more simply, turn off the lights while the person moved out of frame.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 14:33:07 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Ah perfect, thank you.
NazzerDawk ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:26:03 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
They are lying when they say "no one has been able to reproduce it". Someone legitimately believing this to be a ghost isn't going to do the hard work of really trying to replicate the conditions of the photo just to disprove it.
DeadCannon1001 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:27:49 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Yes.
katedid ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:56:40 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Really? I created photographs just like this one in high school. It's extremely easy to do. I could probably teach someone to do it in an hour.
didusaymargaritas ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:54:15 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
What is backwards layering?
hellofrommycubicle ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:07:28 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
For some reason my work blocked that URL. Mirror if anyone else has that issue
Bardfinn ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:30:20 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
It could also be a dodge and burn on the negative or positive print.
CrystalElyse ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:12:43 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Totally looks like a Plague Doctor or a mummer or something.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plague_doctor
Jaereth ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:33:37 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Wow, I think I got my Halloween costume wrapped up for next year...
schooley ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 14:29:21 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I'm surprised nobody else has mentioned this, but it seems pretty obvious to me that the face of the reaper or ghost is just a melted candle in the background, and the body of the ghost is someone in a black robe who got caught in the double exposure.
helcat ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:08:27 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I like the way you think but the "face" is transparent though, so it's not a candle.
dangerm0use ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:08:39 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
The great Cthulhu walks amongst us!
Eagl3ye91 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:19:27 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
This is by far the best I've seen so far, wow that's actually scary!
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:22:00 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
That one was actually in one of my english textbooks - that would have been the mid to late 90's.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:26:06 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Anyone that has a basic understanding of developing film knows this is a simple exposure.
Anzai ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:27:10 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
It's a double exposure or an extremely long shutter speed and small aperture. I've made these myself that look identical. It even has a shadow. If it was transparent so that light passed through it, why does it block the light from the window? If it was person who went and stood there however.
RavenousPonies ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:48:25 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
http://fotoforensics.com/analysis.php?id=c5bbdde98218d06555e7daf56fd1295a270c2441.1045302
Error Level Analysis(ELA) of the image. Odd changes in amount of noise indicate areas of the image which were most-likely altered. I'll let you guys decide for yourselves.
Akhevia ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:21:09 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
This is totally fake, but at least it is one of the few pictures on here that are actually kinda creepy.
DownvotedTo0blivion ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:37:54 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Best one in this thread.
metans ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:43:17 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
i posted it in one thread like this before, when i clicked to open the picture as it was loading up i saw the top of it and knew what was coming. i was like "oh god why am i doing this?"
WizDumb760 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:49:11 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I've fucking seen this figure before at a warehouse I used to work at. I believe this picture is real.
slothinspace ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:18:48 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Reminds me of Grenth from guild wars 2.
http://amd-icbm.com/icbm/media/uploads/2013/12/GuildWars2-Releases-Fractured-f55ae01-Grenth-Hood-1920x1920.jpg
http://i189.photobucket.com/albums/z149/flaurosdagon/necrowallpaper.jpg
aazav ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:19:44 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Just a double exposure or a long exposure and the guy moves out of the photo.
The person is just wearing a god damned sheet over their face.
99Faces ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:47:04 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Numerous attempts have failed?? Who made these attempts.... I could recreate this in about 20 seconds
DemDude ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:50:59 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
You sound quite gullible ;)
I could easily recreate this, both with photoshop and with film.
BrieBelle00 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:28:52 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Looks like a doctor (/someone dressed as a doctor) from Poveglia Island. You can see pics of how they dressed in the black robes and beak-like masks, and read a little info here.
oldmanriver1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:30:33 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
No one will likely read this because theres a bajillion replies - but, I dont get the whole idea that people capture ghosts on film. And I definitely dont understand why they would ever be semi transparent. Film just reacts to light - it doesnt pick up weird psychic disturbances or something like that. If you can see it - film will pick it up. If you cant - film wont pick it up (unless its IR film...but you never see supposed ghost images on IR film).
lmdmx ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:18:30 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Obviously fake, but I really like it. It's creepy :]
chicoblancocorto ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:48:17 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Looks like a good doom metal or black metal album cover.
Crabs4Sale ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:29:39 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
OI THAT GAVE ME A SPOOK M8
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:30:38 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
this really isn't hard to replicate... I made these in an old abandoned house near where I live. It doesn't take any photoshop, just a long exposure or a double exposure (which, if you're using film, doesn't take photoshop either)
AbnormalDream ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:01:47 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Nor faked at all, this is clearly just an Ood. The camera must have just blurred out a little.
AlphaNugget ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:38:43 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Spy vs. Spy?
[deleted] ยท 152 points ยท Posted at 14:54:18 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 32 points ยท Posted at 15:14:48 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
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asmartarsenalfan ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 15:48:41 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Early episodes of Ghost Hunters were fantastic, they either found an explanation for what was causing the "paranormal" activity or told the family/owner/etc they couldn't explain it.
Peaches_for_Me ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:18:13 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
The show started out with the goal of disproving the "supernatural" activity but my guess is that they were pushed to drop that approach in favor of "ghosts for ratings". They now love to pretend that any little sound is actually a ghost speaking when it truly sounds like nothing even remotely intelligible 99% of the time.
Vexing ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:50:29 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
The guys on the show even don't believe in this stuff anymore, I'm pretty sure. They always went into a house and say "It's probably some loose pipes or something". I think they got told that they had to spook it up a bit.
I did see something weird on one of those halloween specials though. They were switching between thermal cams to fill up time cause they were doing a live hunt in an asylum from, like, 10pm to 5am or something, and there was one cam places at one end of a long hallway , facing the other side which was glass leading into aother hallway that ran perpendicular to it.
They were showing the thermal cam next to the live feed. On the thermal there was a figure that was walking down the perpendicular hallways that you could see through the glass. Clearly a different heat signature and moving. On the regular camera there was nothing. And after a few seconds they switched to a different camera before the figure finished moving or disappeared. I had to rewind (DVR) to look at it several times, and I couldn't think of what it could be. It scared the shit out of me.
But of course I have no evidence of it and it was a while ago, so it's unlikely that anyone else does either. Also, even though it was live, they could have shown an older clip on the thermal cam or something while keeping the regular one live. But that would be kinda hard to do on the fly, and the cameras switched pretty quickly like no one knew that that was happening.
It hasn't convinced me of ghosts, but it was pretty weird.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:22:31 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
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EdenBlade47 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:46:50 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I watched it quite a bit when I was younger, and it was extremely rare for them to conclude that there was anything paranormal involved. They often successfully found physical causes to everything from noises to optical illusions to headaches, and they disregarded unclear "orbs" in videos because they're usually just dust or something.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:48:43 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I want to believe in the supernatural but all of the logic snuffs my belief and it makes me sad
golergka ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:49:27 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Same here. But still a good reason to challenge my beliefs.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:51:23 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not really big on the idea of ghosts but whenever I see a photo that's said to be an orb or a spirit all I can think of is, why would that show up on camera? Doesn't it make more sense that given the sensitivity and superiority of a human eye over a camera and the other sensory input a person receives a ghost is something that might be sensed or possibly glimpsed with the naked eye but not with recording equipment?
I don't think all these fake ghost photos do a whit to prove or disprove the existence of the supernatural.
Reagansmash1994 ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 18:39:20 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I'm looking after my brothers house and it's very quiet. I should not have read this.
princebytor7 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:30:30 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I'm babysitting my parent's dogs and have a two story house to myself...I'm becoming creeped out. You aren't alone brother..
mfdj ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 05:00:22 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
It's ok, you are not alone. I can see you through the window, let me in.
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[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:26:41 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I wish I didn't open that.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:20:33 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
yeah it is. I think it's a TV inside the house showing the face and the blue bit is some blue paper package on the inside window sill. The 'candle' is something else too with some kind of light reflecting off it. Just one of those moments where everything was in the perfect place to look like something else.
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Noncomment ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:22:08 on December 17, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
What am I looking at here?
Noncomment ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:24:52 on December 17, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Looking closely at the picture it seems to me the face actually overlaps the curtain. It couldn't have been a tv at least.
bluebook123 ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 22:38:57 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Here is a pretty cheesy video with a picture of a 'time traveller'. I own this book an I can confirm that the picture is authentic.
http://youtu.be/hHgmIXF6k00
emperor000 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 01:04:57 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
It's a guy in clothes and he's a time traveler?
Jasper1984 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:42:30 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Strange clothing and posture for the time isnt much proof..
Crackcheeze ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 23:59:33 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not sure if this counts, but not to long ago I remember a post here on Reddit of a guy who was hiking/camping on his own, woke up the next morning with pictures of himself sleeping. Something like that. If anyone can remember or can link it, that would be awesome.
vogueadishu ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 02:20:10 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
That kind of shit scares me more than any ghost story.
irishdude1212 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 21:35:31 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Bae caught me sleeping
asongoficeandfire ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:48:37 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Found it, though I was disappointed he didn't post the pictures: http://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/uluh1/what_is_the_creepiest_most_inexplicable_thing/
Crackcheeze ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:44:01 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Oh awesome, thanks for finding that. I couldn't remember if he posted the pictures or not, very creepy, if true.
bringontheworld ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 18:28:30 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
The apparition of the Virgin Marry in Egypt in 1968. It was seen by hundreds of thousands of people. http://imgur.com/A5koBu2
PavelDatsyuk ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 20:32:58 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
And no one shot video? I know it was the late 60s and there wasn't video cameras in homes so much, but no television station thought the Virgin Mary was important enough to get video of it?
Wrath_Of_Aguirre ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:23:39 on December 16, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
We all know you are the only one worth praying to, Pav. Now go win some games already.
Ein326 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:51:43 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I know there is video floating around, ive seen it. If I remember correctly, this thing appeared a few nights in a row. Pretty crazy stuff.
PavelDatsyuk ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 21:03:40 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I think you're thinking of the 2009 incident. The one OP is referring to happened from 1968 to 1970, so two years and I can't find any footage. :/
Ein326 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:24:31 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
The same thing happened in Mexico I think. A bright "being" appeared on top of a cathedral and would walk back and forth, kneel down, stuff like that. I think thats the one im thinking of. Was that the 2009 one?
Kruug ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:47:31 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
This looks like some sort of bell tower with the moon positioned just right...
My_Ex_Got_Fat ยท 68 points ยท Posted at 15:07:23 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
The Goblin Shark, seriously we know more about the moon than our oceans... It's terrifying to think what else is down there
[deleted] ยท 35 points ยท Posted at 15:42:06 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
holy shit, was not expecting that
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:09:05 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I think it's an eel wearing a shark costume.
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A true Redditor...
thebluecrab ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 19:05:04 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
SURPRISE MOUTH MOTHERFUCKA
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capnwinky ยท -15 points ยท Posted at 18:14:13 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Ya ya ya, everyone and their mother has to chime in on this thread and stake claim to something not being "supernatural" enough. Wish you fuckers would learn to grab a dictionary and utilize synonyms before you 'opened your mouths'...so to speak.
LordOfTurtles ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 18:22:17 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
capnwinky ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 00:45:29 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)*
How do they work?
Also, I guess since we have the known universe fully explained and understood it no longer classifies as being supernatural. That was sarcasm. Just because we can see it and take pictures of it, doesn't mean it's any less "divine" or "miraculous"...and it sure as shit doesn't mean that it has to be paranormal. Which is obviously what you and your 10 or so upboats are confusing it with. smh
LordOfTurtles ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:21:24 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
That's interesting but how the fuck is that supernatural?
DownvotedTo0blivion ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:32:52 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
ewww That caught me off guard at the end
CatMode ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:54:33 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Creepy, not paranormal. It makes It to the front page of /r/wtf every month
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:57:49 on December 16, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
its like alien...
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:49:21 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Boop
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Forgetful_Rock ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:59:31 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
That's the main reason why I like supernatural topics. How fast people debunk it is half the fun!
tribe98reloaded ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:43:57 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
It's kind of frustrating how everyone feels the need to instantly comment "ur a dumbass its pareidolia" for just about everything. I think most people would find excuses even if they were shown a real picture of a ghost/ufo/whatever. I'm not saying that any of these are necessarily real, but you guys are kinda being dicks.
azuretek ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:02:17 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I think the problem is that every picture that is used as "proof" of the supernatural is grainy, hard to see and/or you have to squint to see the subject. The ones that aren't grainy look like real people with an explanation of "and nobody was in the picture when I took it" or could be easily replicated with simple camera techniques.
The only convincing one for me was the one from the haunted mansion, multiple angles, clear "ghostly" image. The only problem there is that the source was one of those grid pattern videos so we can't rule out an artifact from a re-used tape. If it were different cameras/sources on different media all catching the same thing that would be ultimate proof. The only question would be the source and whether they were trying to fake it.
kodemage ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:03:12 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
That's the best part of reddit. No bullshit allowed.
TheSandyRavage ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:59:29 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
You forgot to mention the guy the types a TL;DR pointing out the obvious.
GiantEnemyMatt ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 16:57:57 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)*
Receive a hundred reasons why its fake from armchair skeptics, honestly. Hoaxes are out there, but I've seen so many bullshit "reasons" about how unexplained stuff is fake, its sad. Everyone is an expert when nobody is, you know?
Edit: I'd like to clarify that I'm not referring to this thread in particular, but in general. The unknown frightens us, and we will look for any reason to disprove something so we can sleep soundly at night. Not many people are objective when it comes to things like this, as it frightens your everyday man or woman, it seems. Just a general observation and not a reflection of this thread or the people posting in it.
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[deleted] ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 20:36:41 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
That is a popper you stick in a cigarette that explodes when the burning of the tobacco gets to it. He just doesn't put it all the way in so it explodes when he goes to light the cigarette. The reaction to the slap is off and not timed right. If that were a slap both the 'sparks' from the cigarette and his head movement would have occurred at the same time.
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StevenSongtime ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 03:56:00 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I have this strange feeling your friend messed with it.
Reddit put this post right above yours: http://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/1sv39b/serious_what_in_your_opinion_is_the_most/ce1jppk
For the lazy: The Decebal Hotel Ghost
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etothepowerof3 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 06:09:26 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Remote Alaska is the winter is supernaturally beautiful! So you've got that going for you.
NormativeTruth ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:38:00 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Statue.
Sir_Cats ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:59:52 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
That moustache looks pretty haunted.
caroline_ ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 17:15:21 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
When I was in High School my church took a summer mission trip to a bible camp in Montana. Really beautiful place on Whitefish Lake. These were the days when we didn't all have digital cameras. We all had disposable ones. One afternoon a bunch of us were hanging out in a big open area in the middle of the camp, taking pictures of eachother, as teenagers do, and when I got my photos back, there was a really weird, like, blur over my friends in one of them. The photo looked like it had been overexposed and I didn't think much of it. Then one day I was looking through the pictures one of my friends had taken, and she had a photo that had the exact same thing happen to it, taken at the same time on the same day. I never thought to compare the two, and my friends didn't really listen to me, and I kind of put it out of my head. I don't believe in anything I can't see with my own eyes, but for about 10 years now that has left me totally confounded.
TL;DR my friend and I took the same weird "over exposed" picture with different cameras at the same time.
edit: also, I'm sorry I don't have the photos handy. I'm tempted to go on the hunt for them now.
XxmsmaliciousxX ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:21:44 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Do it up! I'd for one like to see them.
caroline_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:44:58 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I will definitely ask my friend if she still has the pictures, and I will look for mine, but who knows how long that could take.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 22:47:45 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Although it's not a photo, can someone please tell me what the hell this is?
emperor000 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 00:59:04 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
It's pretty obviously a staged encounter...
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:04:19 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I think it was confirmed viral marketing for Killzone? IDK one of the FPS's where it's aliens.
emperor000 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:23:51 on December 16, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
The Last of Us, maybe? Looks more like a zombie type of thing. But, yeah, it definitely looks like it could be viral marketing.
kikiitheartist ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:26:27 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I concur with the Youtube comments. A skinny dude taking a dump in the woods.
through_a_ways ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:47:08 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Auschwitz.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:26:00 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
It was posted by someone else. It was marketing for some movie. Forgot which. It's somewhere more toward the top here.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:17:48 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
http://imgur.com/g17CQOI http://imgur.com/vpWZsLF
Took these on my phone. It flew so damn slow and had a white sphere surrounding it and happened right after a rain storm. I have no idea what it could have been but it wasn't balloons and and the pics i got of it were like a minute after it directly passed overhead. I believe it could be a UFO possibly or some secret military aircraft taking pictures because it also made absolutley no sound.
COHN_FUSED ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:14:15 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
UFO = Unidentified flying object. Of course it's a UFO if you don't know what it is. It probably made no sound because of it's size and how high up it was, too.
It has a very obvious shape, and the white sphere was probably you seeing the rotor blades on 4 different places spinning to keep it up. There are tons of kids toys with that shape, and you could probably make one at home with the know-how.
The military have far better ways of surveillance that aren't that obvious. CCTV, Doing it at night, Not doing it at all because they have no reason to, ect.
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RedManStrat89 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 00:26:37 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Football fans will be well aware of this one I'm sure.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UmcxOya9WJo
While I'm pretty sure it's been completely explained and I feel the overly dramatic "Angel of Death" title is not helpful, to me it's still probably up there with the most disturbing things to be caught on camera.
NB: As far as I know this guy didn't die, in case anyone was worried that's what they had watched.
CourtsideRecovery ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 01:52:09 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I believe he had some sort of seizure/nerve damage which was causing him muscles to spasm uncontrollably in ways that nornally the body doesn't
troubleinpink ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:30:25 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
what in the actual fuck is going on
sexrockandroll ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:32:36 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Wow, that's disturbing. What happened there, I'm assuming he had some sort of concussion and lost control of himself?
RedManStrat89 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:36:08 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I remember seeing online the same sort of phenomenon happen to another player, if I remember the explanation is a neurological issue. Could well have been triggered by concussion, I suppose?
emperor000 ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 00:29:39 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
What...? You're joking, right? This guy was acting only slightly more dramatic than the average football player... He was just acting.
RedManStrat89 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:34:14 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Tbf this didn't happen in La Liga!
emperor000 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 02:27:31 on December 16, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Why does that matter?
RedManStrat89 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:03:17 on December 16, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
One for the die-hards there; whether rightly or wrongly they'd have a reputation for rolling around in Spain.
emperor000 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 01:39:28 on December 17, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Well, I don't follow football, so I don't know who has a reputation for what. But I know that in general the players of the sport have a reputation for trying to evoke a card from a referee through dramatic behavior. This is just that. Or the guy is just goofing around. Either way, it's nowhere near "supernatural".
RedManStrat89 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 10:51:56 on December 17, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Not supernatural but he isn't faking. Was found to have some nerve damage or something which led him to have severe spasms. Thought I'd link it because the superstitious in that part of the world started think they'd seen evidence of a spectre of death who followed football.
emperor000 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:26:56 on December 17, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Sure. All I was saying is that there is no reason to think this was a supernatural event.
IntriguinglyRandom ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 20:27:39 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Oh, I've got good picture! This is a photo of my marching band section taken back when I was in high school. There's this happy, but rather distorted face back in the back-center of the group. None of us knows who it is and can't account for who it could be. The fact that the proportions of the face are wonky makes it extra strange for me.
Londonsblaze ยท 24 points ยท Posted at 22:50:57 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Even in death Michael Jackson just can't stay away from those kids...
meowmeowmeowmeowmeo ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:28:08 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
It really looks like the face of a ventriloquism dummy to me.
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 21:51:03 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Looks like a long alley leading to some house.
IntriguinglyRandom ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:57:14 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
...only if it's a house floating at the end of a football practice field.
Patrice_B ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:17:07 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Photo bomb
brosenfeld ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:44:25 on December 16, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
That's just Mr. Hanky
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Diranios ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:30:15 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
This thread is just 2 hours old..
kryonik ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:43:55 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Double exposures as far as the eye can see!
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The Dyatlov Pass incident is a very disturbing set of unexplained events.
RedManStrat89 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 18:04:15 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Whether an avalanche, weapons testing or something else this is fascinating!
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:01:46 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
It was hypothermia. Hypothermia caused them to descend into madness. The radiation was never documented, but merely hearsay from a radio station report.
Idkwhat2write ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:02:42 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
In the last stages of hypothermia sometimes its victims experience the feeling of an intense heat which would explain why they took off their clothes
egyeager ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:55:17 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
And then some type of animal came by and ate the tongues.
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 23:01:42 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
You can also add to that the lack of knowledge about hypothermia at the time. That would explain the vagueness of any kind of reporting.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 00:24:43 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Gotta give it to the Nazi's on that one, we sure do know a lot more about hypothermia now days.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 00:50:12 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Don't forget the Japanese.
Spartyjason ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:16:46 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Super creepy. I've this a few times, clearly something disturbing happened, whether supernatural or not.
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 16:17:00 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
That has been explained. It was an avalanche.
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[deleted] ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 16:26:44 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
You realise even the wikipedia article states 'but an avalanche damage is considered one of the more plausible explanations for this incident'. In fact Cracked looked at this a while back too http://www.cracked.com/article_16671_6-famous-unsolved-mysteries-with-really-obvious-solutions.html . It's the commonly accepted explanation.
spinfinity ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 17:44:34 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
But not 100% proven. An avalanche doesn't NECESSARILY prove how one woman had her tongue removed from her mouth, or how the other hikers with internal injuries had seemingly zero bruises.
Bethistopheles ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:06:50 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Tongue is a very easy meal for scavengers (animals, not anything paranormal). A person is dead and their mouth is hanging open with a sweet lump of meat inside. Why wouldn't you go for it if you were a scavenging animal?
spinfinity ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:05:53 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I suppose I can see the logic in that. Anyone know what kind of scavengers live in that area? I never did see any explicit detail on whether her tongue seemed to be ripped out or picked out.
Either way, scavenging makes sense. I suppose I just really wish there is something supernatural to it, because I like that kind of stuff, ha.
cross-eye-bear ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:09:34 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Scavengers go for tongues / eyes etc first. Especially birds.
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[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:46:49 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
They died on a snowy mountain. How is aliens a more likely explanation than avalanche? The closest that wiki article gets to discrediting the avalanche is saying that avalanches were rare. However they do tend to get less rare when people are disturbing the snow with say -tents, skiing, walking, loud noises of a large group etc
The avalanche hit the tent while they were asleep - which is why the tent 'was ripped open from within' as they all struggled to escape, they were confused, injured and succumbed to hypothermia, their bodies lay there - open to the elements and wild animals until they were eventually found. It's not a mystery, it's not spooky it's just a tragedy.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:54:59 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
he didn't say aliens are more likely. and also how would an avalanche substantial enough to essentially crush 3 victims, not be able to cover up their original footprints, their bodies and their campground? avalanche doesn't satisfy it for me.
it was obviously a rare flying yeti.
Brooke_notBrook ยท 22 points ยท Posted at 16:13:39 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
One of my friends took a photo of this banana spider outside her bedroom window, then realized there was a caricature looking lady staring out the window in the picture! Http://i.imgur.com/x1EJc35.jpg
moudine ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 18:18:53 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not sure that I see the lady...
Brooke_notBrook ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:44:11 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
To the right of the spider web. Her head is kind of sideways like she's peeking through the curtain or something..
hoikarnage ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 19:07:43 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Pretty sure that is not a banana spider. I like the lady though. Has a nice creepy hollow eyes look going for her.
borg_nihilist ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:03:27 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
it's a colloquialism.
Brooke_notBrook ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:46:42 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
What kind is it? I just always heard them called banana spiders. I'm from Alabama and they're always everywhere in the summer.
And the eyes are what made it so creepy to me too!
hoikarnage ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:38:51 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Just look like a regular ol' orb weaver to me. They are pretty common.
edit a quick check of wikipedia shows that some people call them banana spiders too.
The banana spider I was thinking of looks much different and is highly venomous.
Brooke_notBrook ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:42:36 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Ahh okay! It must be a regional thing (like saying coke or pop instead of soda) haha.
garfieldsam ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:30:46 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Wow. This one is pretty creepy.
frydaddyjuggalo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:21:16 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, that's defiantly a garden orb weaving spider.
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PrinceTrogdorofWales ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:49:57 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
So that's what [Serious] means. I was always unclear on that.
ulvok_coven ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:39:06 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
"Serious" means "actually use the thread for the intended purpose." Because this is Reddit and so you have to tell people not to fuck around.
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PrinceTrogdorofWales ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:04:57 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
You claimed it was a "fun thread." Either people are just having fun or they seriously believe that what they are posting is evidence of the supernatural, you can't have it both ways.
TheAfricanDragon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:35:18 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I never claimed it was a "fun" thread nor anywhere any my comment did I reinforce that it was a "fun" thread. Just saying my point of view.
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 15:30:09 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
That's not a satisfactory answer, given how much Reddit circle jerks about science and atheism.
RockFourFour ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:58:32 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
As a pretty die-hard skeptic, I agree with you. Hell, most of the stuff posted in here has several pages showing how it could easily be something mundane. I would love a good mystery. I want nothing more than to be truly baffled by a great piece of evidence.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:37:35 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
i am in the same field and of the same opinions as yourself.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:44:13 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Best post in this thread. And I want to believe.
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resttzs ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 15:48:51 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
You're probably a huge obnoxious doucher in real-life. This thread is about cool, interesting things. You're neither of those. You're the type of guy that goes into see a Star Wars movie and knocks the physics, right?
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:42:06 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Thanks for the novel. So being a turbo professional photographer is there any image you have seen that you can't explain?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:51:50 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Yep, plenty. I will try and dig up some later when I am not on my phone. I'm always trying to keep an eye out for structured metallic objects shot during the day. Bright lights at night contain no information whatsoever. The best, rare, shots are those taken on cloudy days from multiple angles on a steadied (tripod) camera, but those shots are like pixie dust.
I want photographs that show a clear, anomalous object.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:02:36 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Would be interested in your thoughts not he battle of LA
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๐๏ธ yzbro ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 14:14:14 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Sorry!
SpanxTheMonkey ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 14:46:59 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
what did it say?
bausl ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:54:25 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
the aliens dont want us to know.
JewlsRose ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 16:27:44 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)*
This picture that my aunt's neighbor took.
Back story: She was alone in her house at the time this picture was taken around 2003 or so. She had just gotten a new digital camera for her birthday and was using the self timer to take pictures of her with her other presents. If you look to the left of her head you can see a woman behind her, and she's said that she has no idea who this woman is.
EDIT: Here's the picture with the lady pointed out.
gantothes ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 19:22:37 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
That's clearly a cardboard cutout of Ted Danson
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:12:02 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Nice reference, I love this fact.
cross-eye-bear ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 22:01:04 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Your poor lonely aunt, opening her birthday presents on her own, taking photos of herself :(
rubyredwyne ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:38:17 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
wait your aunt's neighbor took it but your aunt was home alone? huh/
Ultima2876 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:38:04 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
All I see is a doll on a table o_O
Poop-Balls ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:22:06 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
You can't even tell if it's a face or not.
Kim_Jong_Unko ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:16:52 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, just gotten some birthday presents and posed alone in her house with the uncut cake with candles on it that they didn't eat at her birthday party. So plausible!
USSGoliath ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 16:36:10 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Don't see anything.
ErniesLament ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 23:33:18 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
That's not even the spookiest part. Did you spot the angels in this photo? I'll give you a hint: the table behind her.
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[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:18:28 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I have no doubt in my mind that it was. It's just weird because this is the only convincing thing I've ever heard of. It pisses me off because my family and i know that it happened, that it was true, but surely we can't have the only sure sign that spirits are real.
IAmAPhoneBook ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:20:38 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
But what makes you say "Spirit?" What does that even mean?
Do you not know what it is or is it a ghost?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:09:46 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I have no idea actually.
PohFahVoh ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:33:04 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Surely you took some pictures of the scratch on the ceiling, the stains on the carpet, the scratches on your back?
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I'll ask my parents if they did. I never really asked before because it's something that I just don't need to see. Edit; my mom didnt, but I could still ask my dad. If anything, given the time, it would be on a disposable camera, so I could have him dig through.
TheFreaky ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:46:09 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Even if they did, those are not proof of anything. You can scratch the ceiling yourself, stain the carpet or scratch your back.
We have HD camera phones now, if somebody saw a letter being written in the ceiling they would make a video. But all paranormal videos are blurry.
PohFahVoh ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:50:01 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Of course it wouldn't be proof. I never said it would be. I'm just genuinely interested in OP's story.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:51:23 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
It really wouldn't be proof. But why would a disposable camera have pictures of any of those things in the first place?
TheBusinessCat ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:32:21 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
NOPE
Drutarg ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:40:36 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Dude, your mom was just fucking with you. She got you good.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:43:30 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
She wasnt there when it actually happened, she came in after she heard us screaming, then she saw it when it was already finished.
Drutarg ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:53:22 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I was talking about the power outage stuff. Your mom is a total prankster.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:55:37 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Oh haha. I was there so you never know. But my mom is a very serious person. She hates people who lie, and she seems very serious whenever we talk about it. It would be surprised as fuck if she was lying.
ParatwaLifeCoach ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:32:52 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Fellow Tico here - something about Costa Ricans, we love these stories.
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I don't smoke anymore. I just use this account for the karma.
geekygirl23 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:21:58 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
"Imagination is a hell of a drug. The end."
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Anzai ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:40:04 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
You all said you saw the same thing? To your parents? In order to not get you in trouble for carving your initials into the ceiling while your friends egged you on?
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:42:58 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I was 6, how could I reach a ceiling
Anzai ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:20:58 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
How indeed? Toddler pyramid perhaps?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:10:29 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
That's some Rugrats level creativity right there.
Anzai ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:24:52 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
You and your whacky adventures, CommentsWhileStoned.
acephalous ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 15:45:39 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
So have you attempted to get therapy or medication? You seem to have a problem.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:47:02 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
You seem to be a dick. I'm a completely normal 18 year old.
acephalous ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 15:51:44 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:56:26 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I don't see how believing in something like ghosts means that I need meds...
acephalous ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:57:37 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:00:56 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Could you provide the context where I said "hallucinating"
acephalous ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:04:25 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
You're a big boy. You can figure it out
falcon_crush ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:31:27 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
dude you're being a dickhead. if op's seen shit and believes in the supernatural, let him. not like you can solidly prove him wrong, all you can do is prove you can't prove anything...
acephalous ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:06:10 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
You're right. sorry OP, hallucinations are a good sign of mental health. don't seek medical attention.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:09:09 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I'll try to
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KeenPro ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 15:02:39 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Weird. All the photos in the thread made me think "Bullshit" or "Fake" but when I read this I instantly got shivers.
LordOfTurtles ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:08:34 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Awww I missed it
KeenPro ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:53:03 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
It was the guys story about how he saw his initials being carved onto his ceiling.
LordOfTurtles ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:54:32 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Never heard of it
KeenPro ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:59:29 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Sorry I meant "It was a guys..."
It wasn't even that long he just said he'll never forget the sight of it or the sound of it being done.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:13:50 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I get the goosebumps everytime I speak of this shit.
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Sensur10 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:39:32 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
The Hessdalen lights: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RR2TRGq2Zec
In addition: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hessdalen_light
WolfofShadows ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:53:26 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
My friend's father had a heart attack while he was in the car after the last day of 7th grade. They tried to shock him back to the point they broke some of his ribs. He ended up passing away. A few weeks later the widow was taking pictures to renovate parts of the basement. In every one of the pictures a glowing orb of some sort was occupying some part of the photo.
I've seen the photographs and its honestly quite astounding.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Hands_Resist_Him
Oddly enough, I lived about four blocks away from the gallery that bought it. But I had never heard of it until I looked it up based upon the other comment.
Filmitforme ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:38:46 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Creepy and inspiring, I like it.
BitchWidget ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 02:36:10 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
The Hands Resist Him. Gives me the chills when I see a pic of it. I'm not sure if that's the one, but it will do if you can't find yours! Lol
bgpt ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 06:44:57 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
The Scole Experiments (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NXvYqmSxRuk)
An experiment conducted in a small English village for a period of over 5 year. From what I recall, it was an experiment done with scientists and paranormal investigators and normal people present. Witnessed by hundreds of people and produced pictures, voices, and videos that are pretty creepy and unbelievable. The table in the room floated, pictures of otherworldly things, flower petals seemed to appear out of thin air, discussions with the dead, and lights floating around the room to list a few.
Here is a link to some photos and stuff. http://www.thescoleexperiment.com/s_files_00.htm unless this was all an elaborate hoax then I think it's pretty incredible. If I remember correctly, for the photos they would just leave brand new film on the table and these images would somehow appear on them. Sometimes it would be lights, other times it would be pictures of people, or written messages.
FroggyMcnasty ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 13:30:31 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Anecdotal story that I experienced. I am firstly not going to claim to know what happened, there could be some explanation that I am unaware of but to this day I have no idea how it could have been done.
I was working in a pool hall, and I worked from 4 am to noon. Usually at that time I was on my own and had very little to do, I would do basic maintenance on the stools, tables...etc clean out ash trays, and make sure the tables were clear of the little chalks that get handed out when you rent a table. It was a large building too, we had over 50 tables, and the place was cold. I won't forget just how cold that building was. But what got to me was the little chalk boxes and two tables. Table 35 and table 8. No matter how many times I cleaned those tables or removed the chalks from them, within a half an hour two chalks would end up back on those tables, and this would happen all throughout my shift. I'd just tell myself I must have forgotten them and its just me being stupid.
I talked to my manager about it, and he gave me this strange look, and asked me I had been there alone and I told him I usually was, and he went on to tell me that he would never work that shift alone because of how creepy it gets. Ok, fine whatever that didn't explain why this stuff was happening.
One night I called a couple friends who are interested in weird stuff like that, and we went through all the tables making sure they were clear of chalk boxes and I made it a point not to tell them what tables were giving me the creeps. We went through all the tables, I gave them two chalks for the table they wanted to play on. A little while later we went through all the tables and found four chalks, two on number 35 and two on 8. And the freakiest part was when we went past number 8 we all dropped down to duck what looked like someone swinging a cue stick at us.
There is probably a rational explanation for what happened but I made it a point not to go back by number 8 unless someone else was in the building with me, ounce of prevention and all that. My friends never came back to that pool hall either, and I ended up getting another job elsewhere, which was fine with me. They eventually went out of business. Still, kinda scares the shit out of me to think what it could have been.
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short-timer ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 15:29:06 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
At least the fedora is real.
eating_bacon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:29:34 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Just be sure to have a fridge handy.
maynardftw ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:32:45 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Don't do that.
i_will_touch_ur_nose ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:28:54 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
dude, don't mock this guy. Look how advanced his vocabulary is. We can merely admire him
inexcess ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 15:47:21 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
why are people mocking him in the first place? He's right; most of these are not very convincing photos at all.
eating_bacon ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:37:45 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Those are all the words I know. Oh, and these words, but after this I'm out of words, no more words. Words.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 15:42:13 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Yup, "farcical" is a hard one, huh guy?
FlyingPasta ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 15:22:44 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
-farces on Fedora-
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 15:28:20 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
m'lady
Anshin ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 15:24:45 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
+fedoratip 72 fedoras verify
WhatTheFhtagn ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 15:26:01 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
[tipping intensifies]
TheDemonClown ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 15:33:09 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Pick your battles, dude. "Farcical" isn't so big or so out of place that it's obviously being thrown out by some neckbeard in a vain show of intellect. Now, if you were to say, "lugubrious" instead of "sad", that would apply for a fedora jab.
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eating_bacon ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:31:32 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
It makes sense really, I mean, evolutionary speaking. You want to be the one that spots the predator stalking you from the undergrowth, rather than the one that's obliviously admiring the colour of the leaf's.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:36:13 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I knew that, I've been told 16 times in this thread alone.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:45:54 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
After every single picture. "IZ JUST DUST YOU ALL STUPID"
eating_bacon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:46:51 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I laughed.
ABabyAteMyDingo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:08:39 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Sorry
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eating_bacon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:28:41 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I suppose I naturally (and possibly lazily) bundle in any popular, poorly evidenced phenomena as supernatural activity. Including, but not limited to, ghosts, yeti's and UFOs.
And sure, bacon for everyone!
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eating_bacon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:32:48 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Much like alternative medicine. Alternative medicine that's been proven to work is just called, medicine.
jetpacksforall ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:21:40 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
The theory behind astrology makes rational sense (day/night & seasonal patterns have significant influence over our lives & personalities), but I've never seen a convincing demonstration of someone using it to make verifiable predictions.
Sheather ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:35:10 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
That the position of planets in the sky at the time of your birth has a significant impact on your future? That "constellations", which are groups of stars only in the way that they appear to us (but are otherwise millions of lightyears apart), are of any significance whatsoever? It very much does not make rational sense. Day/night cycles and seasonal patterns do have a large impact on us. The fact that mercury was passing through orion at the time of your birth does not. Not unless you're told that it does and you believe it. If it made rational sense it wouldn't sound so ridiculous.
jetpacksforall ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:52:30 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Seasonal patterns were traditionally established by looking at the position of the stars, sun & moon, so it isn't that much different. If someone tells you you had a bad day because Mercury was ascending in Taurus, then you'd tell them to quit talking about cars. But if someone told you you have seasonal affective syndrome which is common in people your age, and which happens to correlate with Mercury ascending in Taurus, you'd have less problem accepting it.
I'm sure a lot of astrology mistakes correlation for causation, but as I understand the theory, correlation is enough (it establishes common underlying timelines, and really all of human life is shaped & defined by solar/lunar cycles).
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eating_bacon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:36:43 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I genuinely, and possibly naively, stepped into this thread expecting to see some utterly fascinating images that would potentially alter my perception of the world. All i've ended up seeing is crappy exposures, light leaks and terrible focus.
This thread should be retitle 'How not to take a photo'.
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 15:30:58 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)*
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mopecore ยท 22 points ยท Posted at 18:55:58 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
To everyone thinking any of these photos are evidence of anything, May I remind you that I only need to give you this much information for you to see a human face with a definitve emotion:
; )
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:09:10 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I upvoted you for demonstrating your point so clearly and well. However I want to point out that just because people see faces in things easily, and just because some people are very gullible, and just because many things that were thought to be supernatural actually have natural explanations DOES NOT MEAN that there is no such thing as supernatural phenomena.
People who do not believe in supernatural phenomena often condescend quite heavily to those who do, and yet the disbelievers have no proof that such phenomena doesn't exist. They believe that because "science" has told them that. And "science" tells them that because it has made an assumption about what is likely to exist and what is not.
At the end of the day many people believe in supernatural phenomena because they have had experiences which cannot be explained in any other way. If one has not had these experiences then naturally one may side with the assumptions of science. But never forget that you are siding with an assumption. Not proof.
My two cents for many comments in this very interesting thread.
Noncomment ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:55:05 on December 17, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I also have no proof that unicorns don't exist but I'm not going to believe in them without strong evidence. Same for the supernatural
After reading through this thread I'm pretty convinced there is no paranormal. Almost everything posted had a plausible explanation given in one of the replies.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:09:08 on December 17, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
You're equating unicorns with ghosts and UFOs? Are there hundreds of people, including highly trained military and intelligence personel, and pilots and scientists and police, etc, who swear they've seen a unicorn? No. Have you ever heard of one person who swore they saw a unicorn?
This is a false comparison. It completely ignores the real situation. In short, your point of view is either highly misinformed or so biased against the facts that it is just another irrational belief system, like the belief in unicorns that you mention.
mopecore ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 00:29:43 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
No, I don't claim that our incredible ability to see patterns and faces disproves any claim, however, it is the more likely explanation.
Also, burden of proof lies with the one making the extraordinary claim.
Finally, there is no proof for any concepts non-existence. If a thing exists, there will be evidence for its existence, whether we can find it or not. If a thing does not exist, there will be no evidence for its existence. Since there is no evid3mce for any supernatural claim, it is a safe bet no supernatural claim is true.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:06:07 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)*
I agree with the faces thing. If I stare at tree branches for five seconds a face will appear to my mind. I don't think it's a tree ghost. Sometimes people are just wrong, but superstition makes them believe it. So we agree here. But this doesn't discount the existence of supernatural phenomena.
Why do you assume your point of view is the ordinary one? You probably believe what you do because science, which studies the material world, has made a gigantic ASSUMPTION about what does and doesn't exist. Meanwhile the supernatural has been experienced by tens of billions of humans through history and continues to be experienced to this day. Some can be explained by 'natural' means and some my friend, most definitely cannot. So to many people's mind YOU are the one with the extraordinary claim.
You're claim that there is no evidence for anything supernatural is the most extraordinary, "supernatural" claim on this entire thread. First of all, how would you know that? Have you investigated every single supernatural claim in the history of humankind? Have your read a billion research papers and verified them? No, of course you haven't. No one has. You just assume the paranormal isn't real, and so you assume there is no evidence. And naturally you wouldn't bother investigating supernatural subjects for yourself because you already assume there is nothing there to find. And you think anyone who does is a gullible fool. This is how you blind yourself from reality with your beliefs.
In other words, you are doing exactly what you are seeing others do. You have been gullible in believing an unproven legend about reality, told by mainstream science.
I use the term mainstream science because any scientist who studies the paranormal immediately become discredited his peers because of that very avenue of study. And if he/she finds evidence, that evidence is immediately discounted as false by true believers like yourself.
So dude, look at the way your beliefs color your own perceptions. Look at how they are self-fulfilling prophecies that keep you believing in what you already believe. You see others doing, so recognize it in yourself.
edit: missing words, clarity, grammer.
mopecore ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 02:03:36 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
The study of the paranormal begins with a conclusion, ie bigfoot/ghosts/demons/faith healing/ whatever exists, then searches for any evidence that might support that conclusion, science works the other, gathering data and studying a phenomenon and working to determine the most likely cause.
I admit I have a bias toward reason and materialism, but I concede, I don't know there is no such thing as ghost, it just seems unlikely, and given what evidence exists, this rational conclusion is for me to live under the assumption ghosts, werewolves, and sucubi aren't real. Shiw me verifiable, testabke evidence, and I'll change my view. Up until now, I have seen no convincing evidence to support any paranormal claim. I have however seen plenty of evidence showing supernatural claims to be errors, hoaxes, and frauds.
Finally, the supernatural, by definition, doesn't exist. If, through some mechanism that has eluded us, and in the face of mountains of contrary evidence discovered by neuroscience, that a human mind exists independent of the body as a ghost, then ghost are part of the natural world.
I don't make assumptions based on nothing, I've just examined the claims I've seen, and haven't been convinced. I encourage you to read up on how science is done, and realize that rockstars in the scientific community are those brilliant men and women like Einstein, Darwin, Priestly, and Franklin (to name just a few) who made discoveries that upended the existing paradigm. A scientist who discovers ghosts will win a Nobel, huge research grants, and will be celebrated alomg side Galileo, Copernicus, and every other scientist you can name, for the rest of time.
Science isn'tabout maintaini g the status quo, its about discovering reality as it truly is.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:25:49 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
"The study of the paranormal begins with a conclusion"
You are making an assumption here and it is wrong. You obviously haven't read any serious research. Probably because you already "knew" it wasn't worth your time.
"I admit I have a bias toward reason and materialism"
You are confounding your bias toward materialism with reason. These two are not the same thing. And yes, you are VERY biased, which is what I'm addressing over and over in our discussion.
"I have seen no convincing evidence to support any paranormal claim"
Yes, nothing convinces you because you assume it must be false or mistaken evidence. This is your bias.
"I have however seen plenty of evidence showing supernatural claims to be errors, hoaxes, and frauds."
Yes, many of them are errors or hoaxes. And in your mind this seems to confirm your bias.
"the supernatural, by definition, doesn't exist."
This is semantics. The term supernatural refers to phenomena that lies outside of what is commonly assumed to exist. Yes of course, all phenomena is natural.
"I encourage you to read up on how science is done"
If you mean the scientific method, then I have read up on it. If you mean how science is ACTUALLY done, well, you are a perfect example of how it is actually done. It is full of bias and assumption masquerading as fact and certainty. In point of fact my arguments are much more well-reasoned and "scientific" than yours.
"brilliant men and women like Einstein, etc"
Ironically at least four of the scientists you name believed in a "supernatural" power. They didn't see a conflict between science and other "paranormal" dimensions. Neither do I.
Cheers
mopecore ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:43:11 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
If they exist, there is clearly isn't a conflict between science and "the paranormal".
Look, you "believe" in ghosts, but obviously have no evidence to support this belief. If you did, you would provide it instead of demanding proof of non-existence (an invalid concept) and assuming those of us who don't believe have arrived at our conclusion through willful ignorance and "closed mindedness".
I have no interest in the paranormal, because every psychic I've ever heard of is an obvious fraud, every dowser I've ever heard of is a con-man, and every alien abduction story I've ever heard is the result of a wildly overactive imagination.
I don't mean you are unfamiliar with the scientific method, I meant you should read about some notable discoveries and how they were made.
Here's the thing: how can a being with no physical form see, hear, or interact with the living? By what mechanism does the mind become independent of the body? What happens to these specters after the entropic heat death of the universe? How is it that there is no widely accepted, peer reviewed, published evidence of any paranormal claim?
The primary failure in your reasoning is your view of science as monolith, with an interest in suppressing certain types of knowledge. This is the opposite of the case, science wants to know what is true. To date, there hasn't been any compelling evidence for any supernatural claim. If ghosts exists, in some manner, given enough time, evidence will be uncovered. There is no such thing as "evidence for the non-existence of ghosts", only a whole host of examples of as to why its unlikely.
What if I were to claim there is significant evidence for minotaurs in your closet, and to attack you as closed minded for disagreeing? What evidence can you provide to disprove this, especially once I remind you that closet minotaurs are undetectable if you try to look for them? There is no actual counter evidence to this claim, only the facts that minotaurs are fictional characters, no evidence for minotaurs exist any where, minotaurs would be bigger than your closet (probably) if they exist, and the fact that the only things that are completely undetectable are fictions.
Science doesn't operate with certainty, and tries t account for its biases. We know that long held conclusions can be upended by new discoveries, such as the dismissal of Newtonian Gravity with the discovery of Special and General Relativity. We know that scientists who upend long held conclusions are celebrated and rewarded for their discoveries.
I'm not claiming to know definitively that ghosts don't exist, only that I don't believe they exist, and that I haven't seen evidence compelling enough to change that belief. If you have access to information I don't have, I'd genuinely love to see it.
I've been wrong many times before, and I understand I will wrong again, many, many times. So, if you have access to compelling evidence of a supernatural claim, please share it with me. Its a genuine request, not a "ha ha you're dumb." You write coherently, you grasp causality, I just happen to disagree with you on this issue. We don't have to condescend to and disparage people we disagree with, do we.
This is ow science is done, through discussion, experimentation, observation, more discussion, and conclusion, detailing your hypothesis, experimental protocol, observational results, and conclusion (and a negative conclusion is often as useful as a positive one). This is published for others to conduct the experiment to either verify or falsify the results, and to conduct other experiments to bolster or point out flaws in the original work.
So, if you have evidence, please, show me. A link, a paper, whaever, and I'll consider it as openly as I can. I can't promise I'll be convinced, and I will go into it expecting it to be flawed somehow, but I have to change my view to fit the facts, not the other way around. I expect none will be forthcoming, and I expect, if you reply at all, it will be as condescending and stand offish as you've been throughout the thread, and that's okay. You have an opportunity to convince a skeptic.
I hope you take it.
[deleted] ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 16:00:46 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
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DavousRex ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:32:30 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Because of scepticism?
laurinalexanderp ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:34:26 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Because they just want to make themselves look cool and smart and make the poster look stupid for enjoying a story.
[deleted] ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 16:32:51 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
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I-Ate-The-Bones ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:35:19 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Looks like Honus Wagner
jekyll919 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:07:04 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
That's gotta be a double or long exposure. Look how there are lights on the girl's head behind him and to the right.
ErniesLament ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:35:52 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Also it's pretty difficult to spit out smoke fast enough for that kind of motion blur. Unless he's secretly a Space Shuttle or something.
cross-eye-bear ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:54:58 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
The Speedy Waiter! Haunting the 'this cigar smoke looks cooler on long exposure' photo! I have heard of this one.
Aqua-Tech ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 18:33:59 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
It's always funny how, even in 2013, "evidence" is always so low-res. I can understand the nessie photos from the 60's and 70's being super low-res....but it's 2013. I have a 10.1mp camera in my pocket at all times that can (supposedly) shoot 1080p video.
...and all of these are hilariously pixelated.
I guess what it comes down to is no picture or video with some silly story is ever going to convince me that ghosts exist or UFOs are flying around when I can make out individual pixels in the images. Show me something I can actually see. These don't exist, though...because if they did they'd be on national TV and CNN would spend days talking about them.
Jakomus ยท 29 points ยท Posted at 19:11:38 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I have a modern phone, a Samsung Galaxy SIII. I also have a bird table in my front garden. There is a sparrow that visits often, and what's unusual about it is that it is blonde in colour. I see it almost every day, and I have my camera ready.
I can't get a good picture of that fucking sparrow. The exposure is always wrong, it comes out blurry, etc. And that's when I'm ready for it.
Just saying.
Aqua-Tech ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:16:28 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Try taking a video with your S3 and using the in-video picture button to take pics. Anyway, if you saw something supernatural, wouldn't you try to take a video if possible?
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 12:33:19 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
i hope one day you get the picture
jeharu ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:46:53 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
not that i don't agree with you, but honestly, if there was proper HD footage of ghosts, people would still claim it was fake. i mean, i probably would. you simply can't empirically prove the existence of ghosts by photo or video, because in this day and age it's too easy to fake anything digitally.
MarjorieWinterbottom ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 20:03:25 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I love this stuff. I don't believe one tiny bit of it, but I love getting a chill from the really good ones. I mean, they're good aesthetically, like a film. It bores my tits right off when people start having these very prosaic yet fucking ridiculous discussions saying how "it can't be a lens artefact because blah blah blah". Of course it's all bullshit, just enjoy it.
I'm saying that to the believers, by the way. Not you. It is incredibly pathetic and embarrassing how shoddy these images are as "evidence" but it makes them more effective as spooky images.
Aqua-Tech ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:07:29 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
It startles me how easily people will believe this garbage, though. Gullible people will buy into almost anything, I know that, but some of this stuff is so ridiculous and out of the realm of possibility.....it's astonishing that so many people will believe it.
You seem to have a very reasonable attitude towards it, though. I too find it somewhat comical.
MarjorieWinterbottom ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:20:46 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)*
Well, I just love the campfire story feel of it. I love reading mythology and the fantastic nature of things is obviously impossible but it still works. For me, the whole point in these stories, and the writing I do myself, is just indulging in the myth and believing it while it's there. But, if you believe that semi-transparent face in an old photo is the image of a dead person then you're a fucking moron. Sorry, but there's no way around that.
Aqua-Tech ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 22:04:36 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
That's a great way of looking at these things. I wish other people would follow suit.
Unfortunately, there are a lot of "fucking morons" out there. I am dumbfounded when I hear people IRL discuss "ghosts" they've "seen" or other silly things. I always bite my tongue but it's shocking. Whenever someone questions these people they always act shocked and outraged that others don't believe them too. "You don't believe in psychics? What is wrong with you?"
ladymelusina ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:03:40 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt here and assume you aren't a total ass who believes himself to be totally intellectually superior to anyone that has even the slightest bit of belief in the supernatural. Maybe you yourself just don't because you've never experienced it yourself and can't relate. "It's not real unless you can prove it.", you know? That's fair.
Ok.
But the thing is, a lot of people do genuinely believe in the supernatural. A lot of perfectly intelligent, non-religious, science-loving people. Believing in the supernatural isn't ridiculous. It isn't childish or stupid. It's perfectly reasonable. There are things in this world that simply cannot be explained. Or can't yet be explained. And it's not outside of the realm of possibility to think that echoes of the dead can be seen or heard, that souls can linger, that there is some dark, freaky shit out there.
tl:dr: Believing in the supernatural doesn't make a person stupid, and maybe the next time someone is trying to tell you about an experience they've had you should actually listen to them and, at the very least, hear them out. Rather than thinking what a moron they are.
Anyway, sorry to jump on you. It's a sort of a sore spot for me, lol.
Have a nice day! :)
Aqua-Tech ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 02:10:22 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Replace "supernatural" with "God" and you have the same argument religious people use to justify their belief with no proof or scientific evidence whatsoever.
And yes, I do believe that I am intellectually superior to you if you believe in ghosts, cryptids like bigfoot, UFOs or other silly supernatural shit.
Deal with it.
ladymelusina ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:16:53 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Darlin', you're talking to an atheist here. Please don't compare me to a Christian or any other religious person. That's a completely different argument. (Though, being a rude twat to religious people isn't all that rad a thing to do either. Honestly. Grow up and don't be That Guy. =/)
I was totally prepared to have a calm, friendly conversation/debate with you about this, but you are behaving like a child. If you want to go around acting like you're better than everyone else because you're a super cool, edgy genius who's better than everyone else, you might want to start with learning how to act like an adult.
Anyway, I still hope you have a nice day and a happy holiday.
Aqua-Tech ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 02:21:39 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Seriously, read your whole post and replace the supernatural crap you believe in with god and you have the same arguments Christians use to justify their insanity.
If you can't see your own hypocrisy that's your own fault.
Ramv36 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 23:21:31 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Also, all professional sports are rigged for massive profit. This has been known for almost a century. I'm dumbfounded people actually spend millions of man-hours and near-trillions a year watching/discussing/monetizing/worshiping them.
I similarly bite my tongue when people can't name their own congressman, but they know the entire lineup of the 1926 Yankees world series team or can tell you the last 5 teams their favorite player was traded to, or actually know ALL the rules to a sport they've never/will never play like Football.
Aqua-Tech ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:50:56 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
If you have proof of that claim, feel free to provide it. Making baseless accusations and then claiming that they are common knowledge for more than 100 years is worthless.
Ramv36 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:15:14 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Right, like how the news currently covers stories of major import so dutifully oh look Kim Kardashian got new nail polish, let's go live to that report, but first, Dancing with the Stars!
Aqua-Tech ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:16:26 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
In fairness, they use those stories to fill gaps between good stories.....but something like REAL proof of ghosts or bigfoot is both news AND sensational so you can bet they'd be all over it.
AbnormalDream ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:04:30 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Or Fox News's heated argument over what race Santa is... but then again it's Fox News.
Paramecium302 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:39:53 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Are you a believer in the "supernatural"?
Aqua-Tech ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:49:04 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
No.
Paramecium302 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:49:43 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Well, then I think you're in the wrong thread.
Aqua-Tech ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:51:11 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Read the title. My answer is 'none'.
Paramecium302 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:05:01 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
So then you're just a troll? I think you're just a troll.
Aqua-Tech ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:06:53 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I am not trolling anyone.
It's very simple, provide me with some form of photographic or videographic evidence that has been subjected to a peer-reviewed scientific study proving the existence of ANYTHING supernatural. Until then, this whole topic is ridiculous because supernatural things do not exist.
Paramecium302 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 00:13:39 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Well if they don't exist, then nobody can give you proof. So, you may as well not even show up here. I mean, you can if you want, but I doubt you'll find anything substantial.
It's like this: If you're looking for something, you will probably find it. If you don't believe anything will ever be there, you will probably never see it. Does that make any sense?
Aqua-Tech ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:16:55 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Isn't that convenient for people who claim to see supernatural things.
Oh you don't see it? That's because you don't BELIEVE.
It's literally like I'm in a fairytale.
Paramecium302 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:31:05 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Would it help if I told you I've never seen -- nor claimed to have seen anything supernatural? I don't even claim to necessarily believe -- I just choose to enjoy the idea behind supernatural things.
I'm not saying that by seeing it it makes it true, I'm just saying that by believing in the supernatural in general, you are more susceptible to seeing something supernatural.
Additionally, if you don't believe in anything supernatural you will very likely never see anything because either a.) there really isn't anything supernatural or b.) your sub conscience will immediately deduce that whatever it was can't possibly be.
So actually, belief has everything to do with it.
Aqua-Tech ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:41:05 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Hey that's your business. Just like if someone choose to believe in a particular religion or God....
....but at least those people recognize that attempting to "prove" that stuff is silly.
AbnormalDream ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:19:36 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I've been following your argument and here is my conclusion; you can't prove it. Nothing can be proved with just a picture or even a video. You need scientific evidence of it. If you're looking for it you'll see it therefore it is made up in your mind rather than not looking for it and debunking it to something you know can or cannot happen. However, if you're not looking for it (don't believe it) and something is still unexplainable to you, that's what makes it remarkable and worth further exploring. But like I said, a picture or video can't be proof to me. The religion example is a good one; if you believe in a god then a burn on your toast will resemble it but if you don't believe then you can understand that its just a burn on a piece of toast then you can move on and not believe such silly things.
EDIT: Grammar
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 23:31:21 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
If you saw a high quality pic of a ghost or UFO (and you may have already) I'm quite sure you would dismiss it as an "obvious fake."
Aqua-Tech ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:48:58 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
There are no "high quality" pictures of a ghost or UFO.
Photographs are easy to fake these days, though, so yes I would dismiss most. Proof of anything needs to be more than a video or photograph. Scientific evidence is required to make a claim like this. Carl Sagan said "Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence".
If you choose to blindly believe something that's your business.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:18:42 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Why do you assume or believe that I blindly believe something? You have no proof of me doing that. You are making an assumption, which is wrong in this case.
Carl Sagan assumed his viewpoint was ordinary and anyone who disagreed with him was extraordinary. This is called arrogance.
Carl Sagan, and mainstream science doesn't study spiritual phenomena. They don't study it because they ASSUME there is nothign there to study. This is a humongous mistake. Throughout history tens of billions of humans have experienced things which cannot be explained away with swamp gas and ball lightning. The belief in the supernatural is the ordinary belief. Disbelief in it is extraordinary.
The thing that you don't see about yourself, and dozens of other "skeptics" on this thread, is that you are intellectually arrogant. You are condescending. You asssume, as Sagan did, that you now what is possible and what is impossible. But this assumption is not based on any personal experience of investigation. You are like religious fanatics who believe their God is real because it says so in their holy book. This is circular logic. Or rather, it is circular illogic. But you don't see it. You see it in everyone you disagree with, but you don't see it in yourself.
I can't say whether you are right or wrong about pics of ghosts, but you are absolutely wrong that there are no high quality pictures UFOs. Not only are there good pics of them, but in some cases these pics are backed up by multiple eyewitnesses and radar tracking.
Before you can make definitive statements about what evidence does and doesn't exist, I suggest you actually look into it a little first. Actually, look into it a lot first. Then you can speak with a bit more authority.
Cheers
DarlingtonDude ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 01:52:45 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Go outside, drive to an area with a long row of lights. Take a freehand video of one of the lights in the distance. Notice how hard it is. Now stfu.
Aqua-Tech ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:57:42 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
lol
"It's hard to get proof of all these supernatural things people are seeing."
Keep thinking that. While we're speaking, I have a bridge for sale and I think you'd be perfect for it.
DarlingtonDude ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 03:03:39 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I've seen things myself I have no footage for. Stfu.
Aqua-Tech ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:19:10 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
lol
Sure you have.
DarlingtonDude ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:24:00 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
You're one of those ignorant masses who will claim you 'knew all along' eventually when shit hits the fan.
You're worthless.
Aqua-Tech ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:20:34 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
What a reply!
Keep believing in made up fantasy shit, chief...that will take you places!
DarlingtonDude ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:49:43 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I'm believing what I've seen.
I've already been places, and will go many more.
Not everyone on here is the 20 something arrogant prick you seem to be.
Aqua-Tech ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:14:18 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
So what have you seen, then?
"I've seen things" is a generalization you'd hear from Miss Cleo.
DarlingtonDude ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:22:56 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not going to bother telling you, as you'll just shit on me anyway. I frankly don't care to deal with that stupidity.
Aqua-Tech ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:08:06 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
The fact that you know how embarrassing your "experience" was and how easy it would be to pick apart or derive a logical explanation for it shows that you're always going to be on the losing end of a conversation like this.
Just give up, dude. There's nothing supernatural. Just because you want something ridiculous to exist doesn't mean it does.
DarlingtonDude ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:28:33 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I've talked about it many times, to many people, especially online. There's nothing 'embarrassing' about what I've seen in the least. I just don't give a shit about telling you because you're one of those arrogant fucks who says shit like 'you saw an airplane' and other idiotic banter.
You're a typical moron kid. I could size you up in a hurry. Atheist, just got out of college if not still in it. Thinks the world of himself. You always consider yourself the smartest person in the room and look down on everyone else.
You're typical 'Me Generation' fodder. Me not wanting to type an extensive post to you about what I've seen means you aren't worth the time, nothing more.
lwap_setters ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 15:04:29 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Always loved this one especially when it shows the velocity tails at 3:45.
http://youtu.be/Q2DVeil21gc
vertigobeto ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 18:39:14 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
what exactly are we looking at here?
Ramv36 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:39:17 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
if you look at the 3:40 point of the video It will really stand out. All the space objects (debris, junk, satellites, whatnot) being tracked...and the one that, unlike any other, makes a sharp turn off it's path really stands out. It would be like firing a bullet at a target directly in front of you and it deciding to hit a target 90ยฐ off axis. It would seem to imply the object in question is under some sort of external/internal control.
lwap_setters ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:15:21 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
If you look closely, it's not one but I'd say about 80% change direction from about 10-90 degrees
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blimp11 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:53:39 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
PGH resident chiming in. I think these are chinese lanterns. I have seen them launched from somewhere in south side while partying on my buddies deck. They launch them up, and we were watching them go for miles.
oograh ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:11:42 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Holy shit! Holy shit! I have seen these exact lights in Kansas once in the summer of 1994. I saw one red/orange light moving North, while me and me gf at the time we're driving around. I followed it because I thought it looked strange. It didn't look like a plane because it was a single light, and it was orangered. I followed it about a mile outside of town, when I noticed 2 other lights approach the one I was following. They eventually meet, make a triangle formation, and hover. I stopped my car on a dirt road, and got out to watch. They kind of pulsated a couple times in unison. My gf, kind of starts freaking out, and demanded I get back in the car. About that time, they break formation, and go back the direction from which they came. This time, they travel too fast for me to follow (maybe airplane speed.
I had pretty much forgotten about this until I saw this video. That's kind of cool.
I figure I'm late enough to this thread, that the person I'm replying to will be the only one to see this, so thanks for the memory /u/zenarche
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oograh ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:04:02 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Well, it was 20 years ago, but it couldn't have been too late. Probably around 9 or 10 in the evening. I think it was a clearer night, I remember thinking it was a satellite at first, then thinking they were helicopters (with the hovering). But when they sped away, they were going faster than I have seen a helicopter move. Also, when I got out of my car, I expected to hear the sound of helicopters, but I heard nothing. They were pretty much right above me. I really couldn't tell how close they were to the ground, I don't remember clouds in the sky to tell if they were above or below, and I saw no structure besides the lights.
Slukaj ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:06:54 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
High altitude military aircraft would be my bet. That would explain why you think they're "floating on air": at that distance, you wouldn't be able to see them changing directions as gradually as if they were up close.
psufan5 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:03:30 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Looks just like those bags people light fires in and they fly very high in the sky.
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psufan5 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:20:55 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Could also be skydivers.
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psufan5 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:36:08 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Just looking at the obvious. If you want to say its aliens or something you are free to do so :) doesn't look special to me though.
jadedblu ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:00:02 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
these http://www.superiorcelebrations.com/mm5/graphics/00000001/SkyLanterns_1_Hi.jpg
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[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 18:50:39 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
First time I've ever commented here, but I had to take a stab at this. I'm completely anti-paranormal, always 100% believe photos to be completely photoshopped and all those ONL shows staged. However, about 3 years ago when I was with my ex, I was alone inside the 2 story house, while him and his mother were outside of the house taking pictures to sell the home. I checked out the realty advertisement on our local classifieds, and one of the photos of the backyard looked funny. In the window - I am not kidding at all, it LOOKS like there is a girl standing at the window frame upstairs in the kitchen. The only odd thing about this is, A) there was no one in the house but me, and I was downstairs. B) the kitchen upstairs has a gigantic counter and huge sink, there is no way someone could stand that close to the window. I'm trying to find the photo - will update if I can find, the house sold about a year ago so the ad may have been pulled down....
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alextk ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 20:58:37 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Replace "supernatural" with "unexplained" and we have ourselves a discussion
ollieface22 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:46:41 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Absolutely with this. I swear I'm one of few people who notice the contradiction in the statement: "I believe in ghosts because some things just can't be explained" - You just offered an explanation.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 22:22:13 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I like "extranormal" myself. That way you avoid implications of "magic" or whatever, while also including relatively mundane things like extremely unlikely, though not impossible, coincidences.
pappajay2001 ยท 84 points ยท Posted at 14:21:42 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)*
As promised, the tent in the Wheatfield. I am posting two pictures, the original and a zoomed-in one.
Original
Zoomed
Circled
Edit: Anyone who is familiar with this field knows there is nothing there except those statues. Edit 2- added photo of tent circled for you. Clarifying edit: The Wheatfield was a location of one of the bloodiest skirmishes of the Battle of Gettysburg.
Gillezeau ยท 468 points ยท Posted at 14:36:56 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Doesn't this just prove that someone just put a tent in the field? Or am I missing something?
snackburros ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 15:13:08 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I thought it was the statutes that are the ghosts, which would be far more impressive.
thisismyivorytower ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 17:43:09 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Ghosts...or Angels? All we know for sure is, don't blink!
Moose459 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 18:43:57 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
nope. just a tent in a field. woooOoOooOOOOoooo spooky
eminoff ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:03:34 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Looks like a simple bonfire with smoke to me.
insectopod ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:12:18 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
The field was previously the location of a bloody skirmish during the battle of Gettysburg. Tents aren't supposed to be in that area, so it's implied that it must be an apparition of a soldier's tent.
TheWhiteeKnight ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 17:50:55 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Or, somebody who likes doing weird and exciting things decided to illegally camp out on the location of a battle?
MRiley84 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:21:33 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I can't really make out the tent, but there used to be an indian village at the site of the triangle field nearby. I think if a ghost tent was going to appear it would probably be associated with them rather than the battle.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:34:25 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
the tent wasn't there when the photo was taken.
TheWhiteeKnight ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 17:51:06 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
It kind of obviously was..
x1expert1x ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 16:33:01 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Nah dude your wrong its very real
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sicnevol ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:28:15 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
The field is a civil war memorial. Its should be guarded by the National monument people ( Park Services). There should be no way someone could pitch a tent there. That would be like parking a tiny house in the Lincoln memorial.
pappajay2001 ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 14:37:31 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
In between the two statues in the left-hand side of the original pic, there is a colonial-style tent. Tough to see but it's there. In the zoomed pic, it is almost in the center of the shot (closer to the right, though.)
54321Blast0ff ยท 22 points ยท Posted at 14:55:38 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
So we're supposedly looking at the ghost of a tent? A tent ghost if you will?
gattaaca ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 15:44:02 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
It's like one of those sheet ghosts but with a few poles for support
themeatbridge ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 14:54:12 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Isn't the best explanation simply that someone had put up a tent? Tents are, after all, temporary structures.
Gotadime ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 14:48:16 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I don't know man, I think it's safe to say this one's a bit of a stretch.
cutfrom ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:16:24 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Please provide an image of an exemplar "Colonian-style tent". How have tents changed?
pappajay2001 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:25:27 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Examples of American Civil War Period Tents
cutfrom ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:52:00 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
But surely a huge number of nigh-identical modern tents exist? A modern tent is not precluded from looking like any of those?
pappajay2001 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:56:45 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Oh I'm sure there are. The reason why I believe this is paranormal is because I was there when this picture was taken. Choose to believe me or not, but I am saying that I was there and that field was devoid of any tents when that pic was taken.
adamRefractor ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:05:06 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
If there wasn't a tent then there wasn't a tent. The fact that a grainy zoomed in photograph contains a shape which looks a little bit tent-like doesn't really say anything, especially not something paranormal.
JanusChan ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:50:21 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I do not know what a colonial-style tent would look like.. so I don't see a tent. At most I could imagine it to be an angel. This difference makes me pretty sure we're just filling in the gaps because we can't quite understand a white spot on a picture.
OhGodItsAllTrue ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:46:44 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
The white ghost is a statue that is supposed to be there. The tent is the tent-like building you can see in the zoomed in photos.
Mandinder ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:03:50 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
It's a smudge, how could you positively identify it as a colonial tent?
Shaddaaaaaapp ยท 82 points ยท Posted at 14:39:14 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Bloody ghost tents
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:20:39 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I once visited a field in Glastonbury and I swear on my life there were thousands of tents there, and everybody knows that that place is usually a dairy farm. I didn't get any good pictures because I was "Possessed by spirits" that entered my body in the form of a thick, pungent smoke for the entire time I was there. 100% true.
hoemboek ยท 48 points ยท Posted at 14:30:31 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
links work fine. just what is it I'm supposed to be seeing?
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[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:57:13 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I think it's this.
KeenPro ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:58:09 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Somebody set a tent up in a field.
pappajay2001 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:01:05 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Ok, take a look at pic 3 for clarification.
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windowpanez ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:12:42 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Its a dead body, not a tent.
pappajay2001 ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 15:09:13 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
It could be just the light, but there was nothing there when we snapped that pic.
[deleted] ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 14:41:36 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not familiar with these fields no - Care to elaborate? Couldn't someone just, you know, have put up a tent to camp there? Looks like normal dirt ground to stick it on
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:32:20 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Apparently someone else explained it in another post as to why it is odd.
The location was a civil war battle site, and is a national landmark in the U.S. It should be guarded and putting up a tent there would be highly illegal/impossible.
wildebeestsandangels ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 15:04:08 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
To everyone wondering what's the significance, the Wheatfield is one section of the battlefield at Gettysburg. So I guess that's a ghost tent of a Civil War ghost soldier?
spider_on_the_wall ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 14:48:42 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Wouldn't it be more weird if the statues had appeared or disappeared briefly?
Tents aren't exactly a challenge to set up.
hoikarnage ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:57:57 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Clearly you have never set up a tent before. It's the most annoying part about camping!
Bardfinn ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 14:36:13 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
And local fauna and insects, which would, if moving at an appropriate speed, leave a lateral smear on the image, since this is a low-light condition and therefore uses a long exposure.
pappajay2001 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:07:36 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Good point. That is the first theory I have heard that really gives a non-paranormal explanation for the image!
Downhill280Z ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 15:07:05 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, but can they carry a coconut?
the_reveler ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 14:52:06 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
wow that tent is creepy.
manatdesk ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:11:06 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
too intense for me
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bazlap ยท 24 points ยท Posted at 14:43:36 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Magic ghost tent duh...
Chickeny-goodness ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:35:03 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
The creepiest part is that the campers in the tent don't even know they're dead! It's true - the ghosts where standing right there plain as day, and one of 'em outright said "Dude, I'm not a fucking ghost - what the fuck's wrong with you". So FUCKING scary.
Hannibal_Rex ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:13:42 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Saying that a tent is haunting a field is like saying my car is haunting my garage.
jadedblu ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:05:10 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
am I the only one who sees this face? it looks like a baby http://imgur.com/VolbREg ODD.
pappajay2001 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:02:56 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Took me a bit, but I see what you are referring to now!
MrSlyMe ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:55:00 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not entirely sure why a tent in a field is considered supernatural.
pappajay2001 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:04:30 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Because the tent wasn't there when we took the pic. It just showed up on the screen afterwards.
MrSlyMe ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:39:51 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Ah I see. Did the photographer actually explore that area on foot and not see anything?
pappajay2001 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:23:44 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, that patch of land was empty.
phaed ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:11:39 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
So, why couldn't this have been an actual tent put up and then removed?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:15:48 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
What's supernatural about this?
Buttflapp ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:17:28 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I see nothing. Maybe a brush fire?
Miltage ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:31:47 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Looks like a sprinkler system shooting jets of water to me.
Statue_left ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:32:03 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Is that the fucking owl statue from Majoras Mask?
oh noe. The ghosts can teleport!!!
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:17:05 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Probably just reenactors
thisesmeaningless ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:26:35 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
|Anyone who is familiar with this field knows there is nothing there except those statues
Just because it would be unusual for someone to set up camp there doesn't mean that when someone does it's because of ghosts...
cmitaylor ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:11:25 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Not even sure if soldiers camped on the actual battle ground.
Cordite ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:45:44 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
All 4 of those greyish pixels are scaring the shit out of me over here, man.
Wisex ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:31:03 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Is that a UFO?
prometheusg ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:36:51 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Need more info. I have no idea what I'm looking at and what's supposed to be supernatural about it.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:45:37 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I don't understand what I am looking for.
Cambot1138 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:47:01 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Was there a battle there? A soldiers' tent?
wildebeestsandangels ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:05:46 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, a big one.
Cambot1138 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:22:01 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
See, that makes more sense. When i commented, there was no context as to where this was. It just said wheatfield.
pappajay2001 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:05:10 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
The Wheatfield was one of the bloodiest skirmishes in the battle of Gettysburg.
ethereal_brick ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:07:26 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
What are we supposed to be looking at? Is there an anomaly in this picture?
You need to provide more info, otherwise this is a post for /r/nocontext
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wellherpsir ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:27:44 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Truth.
sisc1337 ยท 34 points ยท Posted at 14:43:01 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)*
I can't find it, but I remember someone posted this here on reddit. It was an old picture in the grand canyon that the OP's uncle (or some other relative) took with some friends. On the background in the picture you could see an albino guy that no one had never seen before. If someone knows what post I am talking about please link it!:)
Edit: Thanks to /u/Katadreuffe and to the others that linked it; This was indeed the one I was talking about
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This post
SkyIsCrying ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:28:53 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Wow, I think I am one of the very few people on Reddit who knows who the person is your username is referring to :D
Extrasherman ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 14:56:26 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I guess I'm not so lazy after all. This photo gives me chills.
http://personalghoststories.wordpress.com/2012/12/22/the-man-in-the-grand-canyon-photo/
RavenousPonies ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:09:59 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I put the image through an ELA Test. Drastic changes in the noise indicate that the image was likely altered in that area. I'll let you decide for yourself.
16tonweight ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:57:56 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
http://imgur.com/0OMAL
The full comment: http://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/159kdp/what_is_an_extremely_darkcreepy_true_story_most/c7kitcg
phaed ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:10:19 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Someone did an analysis of the photo and concluded it was photoshoped in. Complete fake, It's all there on that thread. Move along, nothing to see here.
16tonweight ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:43:33 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Oh, I know, I just wanted to make the guy happy.
No one else had posted it, and it took 3 minutes to find.
DAE_REDDITxD ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:57:11 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
this is the one you're talking about i believe
heffaine ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:07:40 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
http://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/159kdp/what_is_an_extremely_darkcreepy_true_story_most/c7kitcg?context=3
Redplushie ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:13:00 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
That was one of the posts I could not forget.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:01:35 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Why are people believing OP?
Extrasherman ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:51:54 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
That picture is creepy. I know what you're talking about. I'm too lazy to Google it right now. Try "Grand Canyon Ghost" or something like that.
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psufan5 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:07:18 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Given the source of the video was Ghost Hunters who have been known to fake almost everything... the video was debunked. Its a dude in a sheet.
hoikarnage ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 18:59:49 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
That show is such garbage lol. My favorite is when someone scratches their ass on an audio recording and then everyone is like, "OMG did you hear that!? It said it's name is jeffery!" I'm not surprised they would pull the old "just throw a sheet over him and say it's a ghost" trick.
TheyShootBeesAtYou ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 16:41:28 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Our_Lady_of_Zeitoun
Marian apparition seen and photographed by hundreds of thousands in the 60s with no apparent explanation.
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[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:52:28 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I don't think that qualifies as supernatural, but you're right about how it still can leave us in awe.
All_Under_Heaven ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:44:50 on December 29, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Well, technically Black Holes are still theory, so it could(?) possibly be classified as paranormal.
jashbr ยท 30 points ยท Posted at 15:25:10 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
The Solway Firth Spaceman. That picture creeps me out. if you read up on it, it's even wierder.
Yearbookthrowaway1 ยท 49 points ยท Posted at 15:55:17 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I remember this being debunked. The figure behind the girl is her mother. There were a few more pictures showing them having a picnic, with the mother in that outfit. This photo just catches her at a bad angle that makes her look like a spaceman. The backstory behind it is fabricated.
[deleted] ยท 26 points ยท Posted at 16:59:51 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I'm a mom, and while I'm not spectacular to look at, I have never been mistaken for a spaceman in a photo.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:04:09 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
The picture is actually from behind the mom. The spaceman "visor" is hair, and the white part on top could be a hat or just overexposure.
capnwinky ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 18:15:54 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Well, with that kind of logic reasoning maybe you should stop making children now.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:17:40 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Done, I made 3 girls to spew my genes forth! Bwahahaha!
Disabled-fist ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:51:32 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Oooo. I see it. At first I thought it was an astronaut, floating in the air like a baloon. But now i could see how its actually a woman standing on the horizon with a white dress facing the other way.
Theban_Prince ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 16:00:57 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
It has been explained.It is his wife.The reason she looks that way is because of overexposure and he didn't know about her because he could see 70% of the whole picture through the viewfinder.
[deleted] ยท 27 points ยท Posted at 15:46:21 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Completely explained though.
TheMoves ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 15:47:36 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I believe that one was explained as a woman facing the other way, and a light exposure
lulzIrony ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:54:40 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Sorry to tell you but it was just the mom. This has been explained already.
Jaereth ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:53:00 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Creeps me out too. I just hate how it's such a close shot. I wish they would have showed a bit more.
RockFourFour ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:55:29 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I've seen better write-ups, but this one gets the basic idea. The mother was on a hill behind the child with her back turned.
http://debunkedmyth.blogspot.com/2013/07/the-solway-firth-spaceman.html
MisterBored ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:37:07 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
That's The Doctor.
heartbrokenheartbeat ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 15:58:25 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
This was proven fake on Reddit. It's just the mother with her back to the camera.
IIGe0II ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:56:15 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
It's the mom. The other pictures all but prove it.
jazz4 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:55:21 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
This was debunked. The figure behind the girl is her mother facing away from the camera.
a00153 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:58:15 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
This was in the other thread. Iirc it was the kids grandmother? Standing behind him and they messed with the focus making it look like an astronaut. I also believe somebody posted the original, unhindered photo. Sorry! Cool picture though!
RebelPatterns ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:59:11 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
It was proven to just be the wife, earlier pictures show her in a bonnet and white dress, the sun could be reflecting of those to to make it seem brighter and less blue
jasariCSR ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:01:14 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I remember another thread about this one the "spaceman" looks suspiciously like a girl in a dress facing away from the camera. and when you see the other girl who was there with her its kinda obvious.
edit the other girl I mentioned was apparently her mother, doesn't change anything just correcting facts.
nattylog ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:05:20 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
"It has since been suggested that the spaceman is actually Templeton's wife, Annie, who was present at the time and seen on other photographs taken that day. Since the Zeiss Contax Pentacon F SLR camera he used only displayed 70% of the actual photograph in the viewfinder, it would be possible for him to take the image without noticing his wife in the periphery of the shot. Annie was wearing a pale blue dress on the day in question, which was overexposed as white in the other photos taken that day. She also had dark, bobbed hair. Using photo software to darken the image and straighten the horizon, the spaceman increasingly appears to be the figure of a normal person viewed from behind." - wiki article on the Solway Firth Spaceman
KROXON ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:11:40 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
It's been proven fake, it's actually a women but the lighting got messed up
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:14:15 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Wasn't this explained as the back of the wife's head?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:20:27 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Iirc its the photographers wife with a veil in the back.
cCmndhd ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:23:25 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
From the Wikipedia page:
Take another look, especially the right arm and the shoulders, and it's clearly a shot of a dark-haired person from behind, wearing white or light-coloured clothing... which exactly matches the description of his wife.
theguynamedtim ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:30:53 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Around the time the last thread like this was posted, many people proved this to be not necessarily a hoax but a misunderstanding. The most likely case being that it is the mother standing behind the daughter facing the opposite direction, hence the "spaceman's" arm.
Kow102 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:44:56 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Don't wanna be the one to burst your bubble, but this one has a fairly simple explanation. The "Spaceman" is simply an older woman facing away from the camera.
Mugros ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:03:49 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I don't think the child's mother is weird.
UTC_Hellgate ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:23:53 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I like the idea that there's some advanced being zipping around the planet and before returning to whatever it is advanced beings do(Probing I assume) they're like "Damn it, I'm not leaving until I photobomb that kids picnic!"
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:42:05 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
It's been debunked as the mother walking away in the background.
[deleted] ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 16:28:46 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
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jekyll919 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 17:50:49 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Looks similar to the Atacama Alien somebody else linked.
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Akhevia ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:19:42 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Old Camera. Movement.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:38:37 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
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Akhevia ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:41:58 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
shrug I don't know exactly, but apparently, Freddy Jackson looked really similar to the guy in the picture.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:19:03 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Double Exposure?
Darkonman ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:27:14 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Old cameras often 'burned' images into them so to speak, it could have been an image from before burned ontop.
Negrina ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:07:44 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
But WWI ended in 1918...
[deleted] ยท 29 points ยท Posted at 15:14:53 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:30:14 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah "TIL" that there is no believable supernatural stuff.
GetafixTheDruid ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:39:02 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
It's only been a couple of hours...
flutterfly28 ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 16:59:51 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I took this picture of my cousin a few years ago in India. There was no one around wearing that so I don't see how it could be a reflectionโฆ It's been scaring me.
SomeoneInThisTown ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 17:49:50 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Is your cousin smoking a cigarette?
flutterfly28 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:12:56 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Haha it really looks like a cigarette and a lighter huh? I think he was just playing with something. Strange picture.
mrbry ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:55:08 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Hey! Smoke up, Johnny!
searingsky ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 17:45:49 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Looks like double exposure. Did you use a film camera?
flutterfly28 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:13:12 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)*
No, it was just a digital camera. Double exposure would mean that the person was actually there and in that location, right?
alwaystakeabanana ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:22:37 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
No it would mean it was a part of another picture on the camera.
KIZUKO ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:16:18 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Double exposures can be done in-camera on some digital cameras too (see Nikon D7000)
JegRol ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:23:17 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
How could you let your cousin smoke joints like that
flutterfly28 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:25:22 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
It's India, anything goes. Focus on that ghost!
JegRol ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:34:41 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Ok then here is an extreme thought, but I think that image was reflected off the ring he was holding. It just looks too natural
WifeAggro ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:42:11 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
wow that one is pretty crazy. I can see her!! You clearly have something there. I am sure i will get downvoted to hell for saying that but i do not care!
hyrulegangsta ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:38:57 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
After reading these posts Im becoming closer to realizing they are no ghosts. And I've seen one! Maybe it was just my brain playing with me
Fenkirk ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:21:36 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Story please!
aRandomNameHere ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 17:03:57 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
He was actually attempting for audio, they moved into their house a couple of years ago and has had experiences with voices speaking to him while he's been renovating. The voice at that point said "I can't find him" which is why he asked "who are you looking for?"
There's been other instances around that bookshelf, namely all of the DVDs being moved and placed on the floor. So now they believe the spirit isn't looking for someone, but something
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randomizinah ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 15:49:52 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Not sure how no one has posted this video yet but the video of the "dome of the rock UFO" blows my mind. Not sure how something can move that fast and in a vertical direction. Also the red lights after it disappears into the sky look like a bigger ship was waiting for it. Best one I can find on youtube, not sure if theres better. If someone can explain this video and explain why it would happen at a religious site, I would be sooo happy.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-_ilZFV7ZSM
fishlimbs ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:13:18 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
What.. the.. fuck
mark5332 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:03:02 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Astronomer Phil Plait explains it pretty well.
ErniesLament ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:12:05 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
It's fake. Aside from the fact that it looks like it was done in After Effects, nobody else in the area reported seeing anything.
stoneguy ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:25:45 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Okay, this will probably get buried...but just in case...
Back in 2009 I was walking around the Battery in Charleston, SC at night taking pictures with a new camera that had the ability to take High-ISO photos. Turns out you can get some amazing low-level lighting shots this way. So I took a bunch. Didn't think anything of it til I got home the next day to look over them. Found this picture (closeup). I didn't edit the picture in any way, and the High-ISO doesn't "explain" it.
Turns out the Charleston Battery used to be the site of pirate executions way back in the early 1700s. So, I dunno if that's what this is, but it's gotta be something, right?
Kruug ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:09:12 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
High-ISO? Are you sure someone didn't run through the shot?
etothepowerof3 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:35:41 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, that's clearly someone walking their pug.
DarlingtonDude ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 02:02:46 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
If you're careful about it you can take a girl down to the battery near the water, sit on the stone benches there and have sex. Just have her wear a dress and sit 'in your lap' facing you. It's great. ;)
Geohump ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:13:32 on December 22, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Yes and its such a good christian practice.
ask DarlingtonDude to show you his quotes of Leviticus and his posts about how blacks are responsible for all the problems of the world.
DarlingtonDude ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 17:27:08 on December 22, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Psst: having sex on the battery at night doesn't actually hurt anyone. I don't care about 'good Christian practice'.
Murders with guns are the No. 1 cause of death for African-American men between the ages of 15 and 34. But talking about race in the context of guns would also mean taking on a subject that can't be addressed by passing a law: the family-breakdown issues that lead too many minority children to find social status and power in guns.
The statistics are staggering. In 2009, for example, the Centers for Disease Control reported that 54% of all murders committed, overwhelmingly with guns, are murders of black people. Black people are about 13% of the population.
The Justice Department reports that between 1980 and 2008, "blacks were six times more likely than whites to be homicide victims and seven times more likely than whites to commit homicide."
http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424127887323869604578366882484600710
What were you saying?
Abeliciouss ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 19:53:34 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Not a photo but this car
DRIVES THROUGH A FENCE LIKE A FUCKING GHOST.
The fence remains intact it is caught on a police dashcam during pursuit. TRULY unexplainable
http://youtu.be/G6UHLd_zxuo
reverendbeast ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:11:00 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Thanks for posting, but doesn't the first comment on that page explain it adequately? - "the bottom of the fence was not atatached" [sic]
Sukutak ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:42:45 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I actually saw a video explanation where they did it. The fence scrapes along teh top of the car but it lifts up enough to let it past, then it springs back into position and looks like nothing happened
DerpSherpa ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:51:40 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
The problem with this is that, imo the fence would still be rattling after being popped back into place. I agree that this is not supernatural but cannot get past this niggling point since the time the police car pulled in it should have still been shaking.
Sukutak ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:31:17 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Well, that's what Fact or Faked determined it was (Syfy show). Alternatively, I just noticed that you can see a gap in the fence a bit to the right of where the officer comes to a stop. Also possible that the guy could've just fit his car through that.
Edit: you can see the gap at around 1:35. Police officer came in at a bad angle, and would've had to have reversed and repositioned himself before going through it, by which time the other guy would've been gone.
throwaway_fuckyou_x2 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:57:15 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
That was my first thought too. Why reach for supernatural explanations?
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 22:27:38 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
"Car drives through fence! That proves aliens, ghosts, magic, fortune telling, lizard people, auras, New Age crystal healing nonsense, and Health Candles or whatever the shit people are buying at those gypsy boutiques!"
Abeliciouss ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 22:55:41 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I don't accept that as an adequate explanation. It does not look like the car would have fit under it on top of the fact that there was absolutely no delay in the car's speed or any scraping metal noises or anything. The cop was following pretty close behind and there were like 3 seconds where the car was out of view and by the time it comes into view again it's on the other side of the fence already a good distance away with no indication that it even slowed down. Also I would think the fence would be shaking at least a little if a car had forced it's way under it just seconds before. It definitely does not add up my friend.
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Giton ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:46:29 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
The thread has only been up for a couple hours, chill out.
ChiefBigCanoe ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:44:16 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Eastern State Prison Ghost http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LzupqJuOORk
psufan5 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:01:52 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
That was pretty much debunked I thought. Its just a dude in a black sheet and his shoe was exposed. Pretty sure there is a video out there debunking it and replicating it pretty easily.
butterflyp00n ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:01:58 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
http://www.ghostreport.com/States/Alabama/AlabamaPhotos/CourthouseFace.jpg
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pickens_County_Courthouse
I've heard this story since I was a kid. Sad, creepy shit.
Bewarethejabberwocky ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:50:42 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
This too, I realize a lot of this can be explained but mysteriously interesting nonetheless http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dyatlov_Pass_incident
cobaltmetal ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:28:05 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I have no proof but my parents claim they had a picture of the ghost that lived in their old house. He was a civil war solider probably like 17yrs i think they said, but in the picture he was sitting in a tree with his uniform on.
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hathewaya ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:16:29 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
This isn't a picture, but I found this recording a while back and it's quite disturbing. If anyone has a source I would love to know more.
princebytor7 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:46:33 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I have NO idea what that is, but thank you for the source! I will be using this as a sample in my ambient music project titled "Giorgio Project", named after Giorgio Tsoukalos, the guy from the history channel's Ancient Aliens. An alien inspired ambient music project. You sir deserve an upvote! Thank you!
patio87 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:14:46 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_xlyofmznOs
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:35:40 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
http://www.museumofhoaxes.com/hoax/forums/viewthread/1015/#96160
Carlos Diaz UFO photographs.
Tuhulu ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:53:40 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
http://imgur.com/yskdns7
My ex-girlfriend whom I trust showed me a picture she took with some friends some years ago. She is not the kind of person to make up stories like that and neither of us belives in supernatural things. Back story is she lives in a house quite far from any neighbours. She had friends over and they took pictures. Later they saw that there was another character in the background on a photo of my ex. No one they know looks like that and no one had a white dress on them at the time. So far she has looked through every other picture to see if the character is pictured elsewhere (maybe part of another picture ended up on the picture in question). She didnt find any. She also went to a "photo expert", but I dont know what she meant by that. Do you guys have any idea what might have caused it?
Mouseicle ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 23:03:58 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Photographer here. Going by the VERY harsh lighting - the person could have been wearing pretty much any colour, tbh.
Tuhulu ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:22:42 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I just got a hold of her and she told me the hair does not match and that everyone was in the living room when the picture was taken.
Mouseicle ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:54:09 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Hmmmm. That is pretty weird!
qwerto14 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:22:14 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I think that the tilma of Juan Diego is one of the most believable miracles out there. The amounts of tests and the results they yielded (especially the reflections in her eyes) are incredible. Granted, I'm not that we'll read on the subject, I think it's very believable. Maybe not God or Mary, but something supernatural.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:43:07 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
This one has always stumped me. I do not believe in the supernatural, at all, but for some reason this picture really makes me scratch the old noggin.
"Solway Firth Astronaut: Jim Templeton was in a marsh taking photos of his young daughter and after getting them developed there appeared to have been a Spaceman in full astronaut gear standing behind her. Except there wasnโt anyone else around while they were there. Even Kodak verified that it was not tampered with."
http://cdn.viralnova.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/unexplained3.jpg
acideath ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:51:04 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
You mean the out of focus photo of his wifes back in the background?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:08:11 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I suppose it could be. Again,, I do not believe in the supernatural and I know that everything can be explained through science.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:27:25 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I always hear people say this? Spirits can't be explained scientifically? At one point people were calling lightning the wrath of the gods. There's still so much science cannot do.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:32:26 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Everything can be explained by science. Period. Just because we haven't figured it out yet only means that it will only be a matter of time until we do.
That's all I'm saying.
acideath ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:37:59 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
And you would be right. Unexplained does not mean unexplainable.
china-pimiento ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:51:53 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
We need phenomena to explain first! Which this photo is not evidence of! Nor any of the photos in this thread.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:57:21 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not sure I understand your comment. Would you mind elaborating?
china-pimiento ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:09:51 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Skeptics don't say "Nothing that can't be explained by science is real. This picture depicts something that can't be explained by science. Therefore, this picture cannot be real." That's not their reasoning.
They say instead "This does not depict a phenomenon which requires any 'new' kind of science to explain. In other words, it does not fall under the category of things which science has yet to explain."
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:02:15 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Ok. I agree with you then.
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themusicliveson ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:15:08 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I see Donkey from Shrek, not a skull. Rest easy, man. I think you're okay.
emperor000 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:32:15 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pareidolia
china-pimiento ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 00:46:38 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Looks more like the Face on Mars or Jason Vorhees than a skull.
It looks even more like nothing than those things.
This is a photo of nothing. Drama queen.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:55:18 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
The Carla Moran pics with investigators present. She was the real life person that inspired the movie "The Entity"
https://www.google.com/search?q=carla+moran&tbm=isch&source=iu&imgil=_IJmSkYvaI-1aM%253A%253Bhttps%253A%252F%252Fencrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com%252Fimages%253Fq%253Dtbn%253AANd9GcQRtLh4Jpjp8uvNTvDh1HijPpnEzaj-sCVWpu73avW9E-etwmmyQw%253B435%253B286%253BxNWbKj5B8e6RUM%253Bhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Fwww.cinema-suicide.com%25252F2010%25252F10%25252F11%25252F31-ghost-stories-day-11-carla-moran-abused-by-spirits%25252F&sa=X&ei=uv2sUtr1G8S1sASlxoGYDQ&ved=0CCsQ9QEwAA&biw=965&bih=628#facrc=_&imgdii=_&imgrc=_IJmSkYvaI-1aM%3A%3BxNWbKj5B8e6RUM%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww.cinema-suicide.com%252Fwp-content%252Fuploads%252F2010%252F10%252Fcarla-moran.gif%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww.cinema-suicide.com%252F2010%252F10%252F11%252F31-ghost-stories-day-11-carla-moran-abused-by-spirits%252F%3B435%3B286
UNSCNova ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:01:40 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
The Solay Firth Photograph is pretty interesting. Would be great if someone could link it.
TheJaroftheWest ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:22:20 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Wikipedia article.
UNSCNova ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:44:04 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, this is the one. I just realised I spelt Solway wrong though. Sorry about that.
halfwayoutthedoor ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:05:03 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I've seen this, heard of this, but never have had an explanation> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qM98yIOOmzI & http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1952_Washington,_D.C._UFO_incident
kinggarbanzo ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:52:48 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I know this is way too late, and doesnt have any media, but my dad always told me stories about what he saw in his old house.
One time, when all 8 or 9 (can't remember if this was before or after one died) were eating, a brown figure hovered in front of the window for a matter of seconds, and then disappeared. No one acknowledged it until it left. They had all seen it, and still can not name what exactly it was. Not sure if this was an illusion, or what, but it kind of gives me chills.
emperor000 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:20:28 on December 16, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Where did they live and when did this happen?
kinggarbanzo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:29:53 on December 16, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
he was born in '62 and happened i think around '74-76
emperor000 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:30:41 on December 16, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
What general part of the country?
kinggarbanzo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:33:08 on December 16, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
midwest
emperor000 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:37:17 on December 16, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Like around Ohio or further West? It could have been the Mothman!
WhiskeyCup ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 12:26:18 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
What about that ghost from Ghost Busters (back when the show was relatively new), they were in a prison and some weird ghost figure ran at the camera and ran off. It looked really bizarre and whenever they tried to recreate it (they thought at first maybe a person was fucking around in the prison), none of the images they produced looked anything like it. Can anyone find it?
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MordethMandragoran ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 15:53:56 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Well this is a photo I took during a ghost tour at the Spanish Governor's Mansion in downtown San Antonio. I took a few hundred pictures from every location possible and fell behind from my group when I got this photo. There was nobody within a block from where I was so I ruled out any reflection of a person behind me. The room itself I am taking a picture of, the tour guide said that a maid had died in. Intruders broke in and she went to the altar in this room to pray where they killed her and threw her in a well. The eerie thing about the photo is that you see her bending over either praying or washing the floor like a maid. I am still not totally convinced of ghosts and have yet to actually experience anything myself. I am man of science with no religious beliefs and have a hard time grasping what I took a picture of. The reflections behind me don't match what I have captured and I have tried to replicate this photo a few more times with no success. Here is the photo: ghost maid and here is a link to some of the urban legends surrounding the Spanish Governor's Mansion urban legends
[deleted] ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 16:23:31 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Wow.
Maybe it's time to give up the science...
panella ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 17:11:52 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I don't see anything - where am I supposed to be looking in the picture?
MissLief ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 18:25:35 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
It took a while, but I found 'her'. You can see the shape of a dark haired woman sitting slightly hunched over in the middle of the picture, on the right side of the vertical wooden frame/beam. She is holding her left arm up slightly and is looking somewhat down at something before her.
panella ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:15:59 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Okay, I think I see it... She doesn't look very proportional to me. Thanks for pointing it out, though.
DwelveDeeper ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 16:43:35 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I want to share my ghost story.
I was in 7th grade and home alone. I was in the kitchen making myself a toaster strudel. I was standing in front of the toaster waiting for the deliciousness to pop
Note: the way my house is designed is hard to explain but standing in front of the toaster gives you a full view of the family room where we have a fireplace
As I'm impatiently waiting for the strudel to pop one of the fire pickers hanging next to the fireplace straight up flies half way across the family room
It was about 5-6 feet off the ground when it flew and it flew in a very jagged way. (Not that important of a detail but I remember that so clearly- it wasn't a fluid toss or something but it was waving when it was in the air. The best way I can describe it is that it looked angry
Anyways I was kind of in shock when it happened- I didn't move for a couple seconds- just recounting what I saw happen. It was a "did that really just happen" kind of moment.
And yes it sure did because the fire picker is now laying in the center of the room.
Obviously hesitant because of that wtf moment I gingerly kind of creep over to it. All I could hear was my breath and feel my heart pounding. The entire house felt dead quiet/still. As I'm creeping my way over...
POP
Me: "FUCKTHISSHIT." as I bolt across the family room, through the hallway, jump down the stairs, into my room, slamming my door shut.
As I catch my breath I realize the stupid Pop noise was from my freaking toaster strudels!
I was too afraid to go back up stairs for a long while. I eventually did after a couple hours when I realized my mom was going to be home soon and I didn't want to explain why the fire picker was on the ground.
I crept back upstairs, yes it was still on the ground, yes I was afraid to touch it. I remember touching it very quickly like it was going to shock me- no it didn't. As quickly as I could (I didn't want to touch it for long) I picked it up and hung it along with the other fire pickers.
I swear on my Grandmother's grave that this happened.
The only thing I lied about was that I didn't say "FUCKTHISSHIT" when I ran away. I don't think I said anything besides a grunt or something because I bolted the fuck out of there.
Anyways, this incident serves as solid proof for me of the super natural being amongst us. No windows/doors were open that could have caused the picker to unhinge itself off of its hook then fly across the room.
TL;DR: DEMON RAPED MY FIRE PICKER, TOASTER STRUDEL GOT COLD
2SP00KY4ME ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:08:41 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
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dragon_fiesta ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:04:24 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
or Jesus, don't forget Jesus
JesusSlaves ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:54:54 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Sure. I kinda lumped the undead born-to-a-virgin demon-fighting magician in under occult, but good point.
Cyridius ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 17:49:07 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I'm surprised nobody has mentioned the Battle of Los Angeles in 1942.
http://www.rense.com/1.imagesD/frommicroLRG.jpg
sixiecr ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 00:55:14 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I'm late to the show so this photo will probably get buried... oh well.
Friend's OC, only a handful of people have seen this but everyone's reaction is pretty strong. I have to say this is the most convincing picture I have ever seen because I know the people and the place, its highly unlikely that this was photoshopped or manipulated knowing the guy who took this. Pretty spooky.
http://i.imgur.com/XGfN2Jz.png
While the simplest explanation is "smoke" the fact that there is a clearly visible and SUPER CREEPY face is either a crazy coincidence or an apparition. You be the judge.
themusicliveson ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 01:10:53 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
It's just smoke and the face is a case of pareidolia.
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pareidolia
sixiecr ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:16:01 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Probably the most likely explanation, the face and form are pretty crazy though.
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samskie ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 15:13:00 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Abraham Lincoln's Ghost
The Article
I thought it was pretty creepy TBH since it's his wife's photo!
Devil_Demize ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 15:38:57 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Pretty sure that was ruled fake
samskie ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:42:36 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I WANT COLD HARD FACTS
zuzahin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:58:07 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)*
You got it buddy!
I did a writeup on this particular topic (Ghost photography), and I covered the Lincoln photograph later on in the writeup - here!
Quick rundown of it: In 1872, Mary was slowly going insane - She had been acting out and had been giving off red flags - This photograph was taken by a man named of William H. Mumler, and to Mary (Who was going to be in a mental asylum 3 years after this photograph), it was the real deal. What Mumler failed to mention is that he faked all his photographs for profit, and never actually took any legitimate photographs - P.T. Barnum helped bring Mumler's forgery to life by taking a similar photograph with Lincoln standing behind him - here - this photograph was reproduced by what I'd call an amateur photographer compared to someone like Mumler.
All in all, it's a clear-cut fake by a man who lived on doing double exposures. He was called out firstly by someone who recognized the 'ghost' in aphotograph as someone who had sat for Mumler previously, leading to the conclusion that Mumler simply used old plates for double exposures.
Quick edit: Look at the image, by the way. Lincoln is atleast a 1 or 1ยฝ heads taller than her, while she's sitting, despite Mary being 5'2, and Lincoln being 6'4. It seems a bit unlikely even in that regard without taking the other evidence in to account. :)
samskie ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:47:45 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Thanks for that bit o' knowlege
kensomniac ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:42:13 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I bet Abe had something cold and hard for Mary Todd.
TheGouJ ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:48:29 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=poD0jO6y69U
I Turned off streetlights enough to document it
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:58:02 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
SLIder. There is a lot of scientific 'circumstantial' evidence that shows this could be a real thing.
ath1n ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 15:54:03 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I'm on my phone so can't link...but there was one I think posted a few months back about a hotel. Security went to check it out and heard a woman screaming. Supposed to wait for cops but thinking someone was being murdered went in anyways. No one there but furniture was all turned over and carpet ripped up. Then you see a figure walk out if I remember correctly. That one was crazy...
marlovious ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 20:07:30 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Obviously fake. First off, they edited it. They added music, captions, and separate audio feed. And at the end, when they do the play back of the "ghost" leaving the room, it doesn't come out of the room. It is over-layed on to the video. Watch the left door frame and you can see it cover part of it.
Starwarsfan73 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:51:33 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Even if it's fake, it's pretty good. I feel like someone who was sort of gullible would believe it
metans ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 17:53:27 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
i'm guessing it's this one? looks fake to me if i'm honest
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BobA5ujHkvU
ath1n ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:44:17 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah that's the one. It kinda points to fake but if it isn't...one of the best.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:20:43 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
My friend's mother and her boyfriend went to Mexico in the 90's, they took a boat ride to a remote temple only accessible by water. There was a stone with encryptions on it, not sure if it was a grave, they took 2 pictures of it. when they got the photos developed, both pictures had a grey spiralling smoke-like matter covering the stone. You couldn't see the inscriptions, it covered most of the stone itself. Also in the smoke there was what can only be described as rib cage / spine. in both photos it was twisted differently but clearly look like a warped skeleton. The smoke was very dark grey it was very odd. They said didn't see anything odd when they where at the site. Now I know for a fact that the pictures weren't tempered with. Unfortunately I don't have access to the photos because it was a long time ago, not in touch with this friend anymore let alone his mom.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 22:09:16 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Not a photo, but paranormal nonetheless. The Devil's Tramping Ground in North Carolina. For years, nothing has been able to grow in this patch of land, animals don't go near it, and things disappear there. I live about an hour away from there and visited one day, and I felt a weird vibe there. I've never felt that way before either. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Devil's_Tramping_Ground
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DarlingtonDude ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 00:37:34 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
There's good video reporting of this too. The reporters took planes along the same path and got video of lights trailing their plane.
Ijustsaidthat2 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 01:00:41 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
No matter how many threads I see or TV shows I watched; I am not nearly convinced.
Everything is always weird or fuzzy or in an odd place. Why can't we replicate this scientifically? โฆ because it isn't real.
Statistically, with the number of photos taken annually, the power of our detection technology (thousands of times more sensitive then a camera), and the sheer number of people in the world. We have almost no ghost picsโฆ and none that can be replicated scientifically. It just doesn't seem like anything realโฆ much more likely to be photographic anomalies and coincidences.
http://www.prometheusbooks.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=43_150&products_id=2126
Joe Nickell wrote a great book on his study of ghosts that I believe spans 30-40 years of his life.
mattyew ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:12:23 on December 16, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I hope I can post my picture before it's too late to get some attention. I won't be home for another 3 or 4hrs but its a good shot of a graveyard in broad daylight that my gf took with my Polaroid camera and the photo includes the outline of a human with two orbs...one in the heart and one in the head. The photo was taken in Halifax, Nova Scotia
TurnNburn ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:28:23 on December 18, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Hate to burst your bubble, but orbs are way too easily dismissed and probably don't meet the "most convincing photo" requirements for this post. However, I'd still be interested in seeing it over in /r/paranormal
concrete_puppet ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 14:50:53 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Most photos that we see that are "supernatural" tend to fall into two categories, either faked or pareidolia, for those that dont know the latter here is a link http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pareidolia
[deleted] ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 15:19:10 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
You're forgetting "explainable scientific phenomenon" like smoke trails from failed missile launches, or lens reflections.
Lyle91 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:35:18 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
And the few that are left are just yet to be explained scientific phenomenon.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:36:59 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Are there any that are left? I wasn't aware of anything that had gone completely unexplained.
Lyle91 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:39:47 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe not in this thread, but there's a lot of mysteries that have not been fully explained. I'm also sure there is far more mysteries we don't even know about than ones that we do and those will be discovered and explained someday too hopefully.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:49:27 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Well, those are real mysteries. I thought we were talking about "supernatural phenomena" as detected/described by people.
Lyle91 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:55:10 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Isn't that all supernatural phenomena is? It's either a hoax, natural phenomena that are already explained and the person didn't know, or natural mysteries that have yet to be explained.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:56:33 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Well that's my point. I don't think there are "natural mysteries that have yet to be explained" being experiencing by normal people. That stuff tends to stay confined to science labs and telescopes.
And I am wondering if I am wrong there and there is a proper natural mystery that's well in the public domain for scientific scrutiny without results.
Lyle91 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:00:05 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Weird stuff happens to people every day. Maybe some of those things throughout human history were mysteries that still are not explained. Obviously nothing that people are experiencing frequently is still unexplained, since we'd be able to figure it out if it was happening often. But, there might be rare cases.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:06:11 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
There's nothing inherently unreasonable about experiencing a phenomenon that has yet to be explained by science. To be factually precise, why not simply refer to "ghosts" as "phenomena currently associated with the idea of ghosts"?
From physics we know that there is a distinct possibility for many dimensions of reality to exist. The notion of spontaneous overlapping of dimensions should not be horribly foreign to anyone interested in cutting-edge physics. But to say that everything strange can be explained by fakery, missiles, lenses (i.e. things humans have already documented) is a bit presumptuous to me.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:12:06 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I am a Physicist who actually understands the words you arbitrarily used, I can confirm that nothing you said is true regarding physics.
Your understanding of edgy concepts like "dimensions" or "alternate universes" is not representative of science. It's akin to the crap that morons like Deepak Chopra and pop-sci non-physicists keep spewing for readers - apparently, a market generated by people like you who like blurring the lines between belief and theory until you can say: "From physics we know ..." about any dumb thing.
Ironically, the only thing presumptuous here is your belief about your understanding of "cutting-edge" physics.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:29:15 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
When quoting me, it is proper to also include the entire clause I wrote: "we know that there is a distinct possibility." Ironic, considering your authority on presumptuousness.
I never said that all physics is "applied physics." But thanks for that beautifully crafted strawman of "Deepak Chopra and pop-sci non-physicists." Trying telling the heads of this institute that what they do is akin to homeopathy.
If I may ask, what is your area of physics?
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:56:19 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
If they say anything to the effect that some weird physics with dimensions can possibly reproduce any ghostlike effects, they are wrong. Doesn't matter if they are affiliated with scientific institutions or have PhDs. There are examples of well-respected physicists in their field, who go out into the public and say stupid things that we all laugh at in the departments.
There is as of today, no tested or testable theory in Physics that involves more than the 4 dimensions we know and love or is capable of making any predictions that could relate to ghosts. Anything beyond that is irrelevant when you make grand claims about "what we know from physics" about reality or nature. If you are going to bore me with theoretical bullshit, then stop - because you are arguing that which doesn't exist as far as anyone can actually tell.
That said, I couldn't find anything in Kavli's research section that corresponded with your strange ideas about ghosts.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:38:28 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Ok then why bring up Deepak Chopra when you could have said this to begin with?
Agreed. Always have.
You must have misunderstood why I brought up theoretical physics. My point is that reality/nature (call it what you will) has yet to be fully understood. I'm sure you agree. But when a circulated theory among physicists can accommodate a new, previously-unentertained range of possibilities, it is not unreasonable to wonder if some of what is experienced might be related to it. It appears that you lack this ability to wonder just because a textbook has not yet been written explicitly on something.
But wondering does not mean I go around insisting on a conclusion just because some theory might not contradict it. Don't assume that a person who doesn't share your reasoning must think every strange picture is the manifestation of a dead person, or that lens flare and missiles cannot account for some cases. I don't know why you seem to polarize the issue this way.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:48:37 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
It is theoretical possible to come up with any theory consistent with experiment and underlying architecture that can imply anything is possible.
This is meaningless. Your initially argument was regarding what we know from physics today - and was wrong.
That said, there actually isn't even a considered theory (read: string theory or supersymmetry, etc.) that make predictions of the kind you are looking for.
You are free to dream and believe in whatever you see fit. That's your choice.
Just don't connect it with physics and claim it to be science, because then you'll be wrong.
But since you've pretty much retracted that perspective and simplified your argument with "I wonder if..." or "I imagine that ...". In this case, carry on. No arguments from me against you here.
As long as you understand the difference between Physics and what you are talking about, we're good and in agreement.
Because you brought Physics into this. Your view is perfectly acceptable as long as you bring science into this. If you're going to discuss facts, you need to grow up and realize that the issue is always polarized between: fact and not fact. No one cares about your imagination or opinions in that kind of discussion.
Physics and science deal with facts. Discuss it on those terms, or don't. There's no middle ground.
Welcome to the scientific method.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:56:47 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
So how does a theoretical physicist go about becoming preeminent in his field? Why is it not easy? (No, really, I would like your response to this.)
Did I ever say that I believe in anything particular conclusion about anything under contention? My entire point, which you miss again, is that I am open to nature encompassing more than we can test currently in a lab. Being open to something does not mean I hold a hard belief. Apparently this bears repeating for you.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:02:24 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I hate when people change their arguments and pretend they never said things.
No, we don't know that from Physics and that is not Physics. Now stop pretending you never said it.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:15:08 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Stop pretending I never said "possibility". We know about the possibility. That is what I always clearly communicated.
Please pick apart this Hugh Everett's MWI. Does it not describe a theory of possibility? If it is wrong, why has it not been categorically disproven with real math and physics? You know, the kind you love.
You still haven't answered my first question in my previous post.
Ramv36 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:27:26 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
But you also DON'T not know if many dimensions of reality exist. If you, or anyone, did, then fire up the jet to Geneva, you have a few Nobel's to pickup.
Ramv36 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:24:54 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
And the closed-minded old guys like this ^ are what is holding science back. Stop worrying about what we know and start worrying about what we don't and need to.
As Clark's #1 law states "When a distinguished but elderly scientist states that something is possible, he is almost certainly right. When he states that something is impossible, he is very probably wrong."
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:40:59 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Misinterpretation of a quote, but sure - whatever floats your boat, son.
MRiley84 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:33:49 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I think we've advanced far enough that we will always be able to reproduce ghostly effects in pictures. Even if someone was to catch a ghost on film (and I'm sure it's happened, but have no examples), it would never be accepted as actual evidence except to the people who took it. People who believe in ghosts would consider it possibly real, everyone else will be able to say why it is fake.
dserfaty ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:44:38 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
FYI, There's a also subreddit for it.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:45:00 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I'd love to see one that doesn't.
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[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:20:29 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I think this is very well said and I totally agree with you. AND I also happen to believe in paranormal phenomena (ie, things that science has ASSUMED don't exist.) Even though I believe in this stuff, I also recognize that there are many fakes, and many mistakes made because of assumptions by people who do believe in it...
ender_wiggum ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:36:37 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Right. Think about it this way: why aren't there really good pictures/video of ghosts/bigfoot/aliens? There are a ga-zillion pictures and videos of everything else.
With everyone carrying a camera all the time these days, we should have 24 megapixel images of vampires, werewolves, etc. all over imgur.
Apparently no one wants a million dollars: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One_Million_Dollar_Paranormal_Challenge
Ramv36 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:06:52 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
No, no one wants to have their entire life burned down over something they saw by the ruthless skeptics.
If I saw something super-compelling, fuck you guys, that's my secret knowledge. I'd treat that like some security-level shit. "Yeah, I've seen some things, would you like to hear about them so I can kill you afterwards because no one can know?"
ender_wiggum ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:03:20 on December 16, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Too bad, you could've hosted GHOST HUNTERS, and be making a killing.
Meanwhile, loads of people have taken the challenge, and ALL have failed.
DownvotedTo0blivion ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 16:34:55 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
No.
Ibeeleave ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 17:18:09 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Extraordinary claims don't require extraordinary evidence? Please do explain.
Superaverunt ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 19:12:46 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Not a photo but the Taman Shud case boggles my mind and almost gives me shivers every time I try to think about it http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taman_Shud_Case
Insightless ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:37:12 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
There was a really cool post on Reddit about some guy potentially cracking that code.
DerpSherpa ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:04:02 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
This was a fascinating story, thank you for bringing it to light. One of the best ones in this entire thread imo.
missthinks ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 15:00:18 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)*
This photo is the most convincing to me for a few reasons. Firstly, my mother's friend took it (they were on a trip in Quebec. This is a house designed after the Addam's family house), and I uploaded the shot from the camera myself. It has not been tampered with. Here's another photo that was taken right before the "ghost" one. I've never seen anything like it.
Edit: Ah, downvotes! This was a serious post and I have not tampered with either of the photos. I am simply sharing them with you. I'm trying hard, here!
[deleted] ยท 38 points ยท Posted at 15:27:58 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
This looks like MS Paint.
missthinks ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 18:56:05 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Scroll down and check out the inverted photo someone created of the white spot! They also believed it had been photoshopped or tampered with in some way, but felt differently after looking into it themselves.
NazzerDawk ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 16:07:35 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I really don't believe you for a second. That is clearly something brushed-on via photoshop or gimp. You can tell the size of the brush tool from the strokes even.
http://i.imgur.com/2qtcdzp.png
missthinks ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:18:24 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)*
I assure you it is not photoshopped. I had an ex-boyfriend upload the shot to a "ghost pictures debunking" site once, and they also claimed it was photoshopped and so they looked closely at the pixels to determine whether it really was or not. It wasn't. They submitted some editing they did to prove it once I find it (give me a few moments!)
Edit: Phew, took me a while, but I found the picture. I'm sorry it's such poor quality-- it was taken with a cell phone I had 6 years ago. Had to dig through my old files...
COHN_FUSED ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:26:42 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Pixels can't be related to whether or not it's been done with a brush in some program or not.
If you have a drawing tablet, you could very easily recreate something like this, especially if you have the time to make/download some custom brushes for variety on the edges. OTT, I know, but it's possible.
If it's not edited, there could be a number of reasons as to why this happened. The way it's cut off on the right makes it seem like some sort of problem with the camera.
The distinction between the legs that doesn't occur anywhere else on it is also very weird. If it was some sort of 'ghosty', then the blurr around it would also effect the inside of it's legs, there's no reason why it wouldn't
montani304 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 15:39:40 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
That's much more than likely a bug or some dust really close to the camera lens and they had the flash on their camera.
Anzai ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:52:08 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
But it's an artifact of the camera of some kind. Either something close to the lens catching sunlight or whatever. Presumably she noticed nothing at the time?
I mean, it doesn't actually look like a person or anything, it's just a random shape, so why conclude it's supernatural?
missthinks ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:19:31 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
It looks like the shape of a person to me, but you're right, I'm sure it could be the lens catching sunlight or something. A family friend is a professional photographer, though, and claimed never to see something like that in his own pictures.
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missthinks ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:17:03 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
They actually stepped outside of a bus to get the picture!
Muay_Thigh ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:19:43 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phoenix_Lights
Giant UFO hovers over Phoenix, thousands of people saw it
maromarius ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:12:43 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
This "Ghost Car Police Dashcam"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kuBw3NrkJHI
throwaway_fuckyou_x2 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:05:16 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Simple. The fence was only attached at the top. No need for calling it "ghost car".
Fuckaduck22 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:08:44 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Me and the so saw a UFO last week all I can say is it was moving erratically and is unidentifyed.
http://imgur.com/nolG9Cw
http://imgur.com/y0T0rDc
http://imgur.com/bGrLghV
MALON ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 05:40:55 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Any more pics of this? It says 12, but I want to see them all. Post this to /r/ufos plz or I will
Fuckaduck22 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 08:31:42 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
It's probably closer to twenty or so and there's another twenty or so on my girls camera I'll up load them tomorrow when I get home.
MALON ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 09:00:26 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Um, seriously dude, please don't forget. I've been a subscriber to /r/ufos for a couple years, and these are some of the most interesting pics I've seen. You have some fantastic shots here, even though they are "just lights". Very strange indeed.
If you don't post, I will. I MEAN IT!
Fuckaduck22 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:09:37 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Go for it I'll send you more when I get home.
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emperor000 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:59:29 on December 16, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Except for the fact that they got here, among other things...
Don't forget, I'm not the one arguing that they are supernatural. I'm just pointing out that your definition is rather arbitrary, especially since we are talking about completely unknown things.
Not necessarily... You know nothing about these ghosts that don't exist.
And what happens if they are the aliens you are talking about? Aliens don't have to be from our universe.
I'm not arguing one way or the other. I'm wondering why you are.
If we find a unicellular organism on Europa or something like that, that most certainly is not supernatural. The UFO people report seeing and the aliens they report being abducted by certainly fit within the definition of the word most people use because they do not fit within the normal definition of "natural".
As of now, the aliens people say they have been abducted by are no different than the ghosts people report seeing... That is my point. You can say "Well the aliens probably have an explanation within our understanding of physics" or however you want to put it. And you are probably right. But again, that isn't usually what people use to determine if something is supernatural, especially not in a casual context.
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emperor000 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:59:32 on December 16, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Faster than light travel would be "supernatural" and that would almost certainly be necessary to get here from wherever they are.
But you are focusing too much on whether something is plausible or comprehensible or not.
I'm not... You are trying to assign a restritive definition to them when they do not exist and cannot be defined.
I think that is already clear...
I can't tell if English isn't your first language or what. Which part didn't you understand? Surely you have heard of "extra dimensional beings" or are familiar with the idea that aliens come from other dimensions or something similar.
We know about as much as we do about UFOs and aliens as we do ghosts, which is nothing and everything. Nothing about their actual nature and everything that we have made up about them, because as of yet, that is all that they are.
No... sometimes they are. Or sometimes that is assumed. There are plenty of people who believe they are from "another dimension" or something along those lines.
The fact of the matter is, we know nothing about them. We can't say they are and we can't say they aren't because they are not currently treated scientifically.
Where do you get this from...? Ghosts could be anything. Or nothing. Probably nothing. Assuming ghosts do exist, we have absolutely no information about the nature of their existence.
Surely you've noticed the huge descrepency in the treatment of aliens in general with UFO/alien mythology. While most people would concede that aliens almost certainly exist, that near certainty is treated far differently from the idea that aliens have visited our planet, have been seen, use "other-worldly craft" or are among us, etc.
The latter is usually treated similiary to and classified along with other claims of the occult as being unverified, unscientific and supernatural. Since the latter things would be beyond our understanding of the laws of physics/nature and the demarcation serves well to separate the the unscientific from the scientific it is a useful definition, even if it isn't yours.
I think your problem, and maybe this is a language thing, is that you are confusing aliens with aliens. There are definitly two different versions in our collective conscience. One is a unicellular organism, or perhaps even multiculluar or some other kind of organization we aren't familiar with here on Earth. Maybe they are even sentient and maybe even intelligent and they almost certainly do exist - on their planet or moon or whatever, not here on Earth. They haven't visited Earth. They don't cruise around in physics-defying craft. They don't adbuct people and insert probes into them. The other one is purely a construct of our imagination (not necessarily their existence, but their nature) that would basically be like gods to us, if they would only reveal themselves.
You're right, the first are not supernatural. The second certainly are.
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Your assumption that FTL travel is a necessary predicate to discovering aliens is not an assumption that I share.
"Cannot be defined" is a non sequiter.
I'll take that then.
It seems that we are no longer speaking the same language. Yeah, maybe ghosts are potatoes. Guess ya got me there.
I think that about wraps things up here. Last word is yours if you're the kind of person who needs it.
emperor000 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:51:18 on December 17, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
More like for them discovering us. Or something else highly implausible. The universe is vast. You are underestimating its size. Even if there are aliens, which there probably are, we will likely never encounter them directly.
I'm not sure you know what non sequitur means... "cannot be defined" is in no way a non sequitur.
What you're missing is that we can't travel to other galaxies or even other solar systems. We likely never will, which is more or less irrelevant. The point is that if aliens somewhere else did and they came here, they would not be roughly comparable to humans.
But you're focusing too much on the capabilities or chemical makeup, or whatever, of a confirmed alien. We're talking about hypothetical (not in the scientific sense) creatures that we know nothing about except for what we make up ourselves.
I think you know what I meant... Or maybe not.
Not really, but if you insist.
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gravity_fish ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 15:24:28 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)*
I have a photo of me, ascending a step ladder toward the manhole in the ceiling of my walk in wardrobe, with what appears to be a "demon face" in the darkness of the roof cavity above me.
I'll see if I can find it now.
EDIT all i could find was the one i uploaded to facebook, which is pretty shitty quality :(
link
EDIT YAY! found the original link2
EDIT Here is a zoomed/highlighted version. link3
its a bit hard to see in the original (second link) unless you are viewing on a PC monitor and zoomed in. also, i don't think it was an owl as i was in the roof for a good hour after this photo and didn't see anything, nor signs of any animals o.O
cnosko00 ยท 22 points ยท Posted at 17:02:45 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Am I the only one not seeing this?
[deleted] ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 21:02:39 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Here it is highlighted - Link
cnosko00 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:05:18 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Ah, THERE it is! Excellent work.
gravity_fish ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:33:05 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
how about now?
cnosko00 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:43:21 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Setting my display to the highest brightness possible, squinting a little, and standing on one leg... I can faintly see two little red dots.
gravity_fish ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:03:58 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
try the other leg.
TheSandyRavage ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 17:05:04 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I can't see anything besides a faint white dot.
Murderous_Prime ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:28:59 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
zoom in on the second link lower and to the right of that dot. directly above the lantern.
TheSandyRavage ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:37:07 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Looks like an owl?
Murderous_Prime ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:54:07 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Could be.
gravity_fish ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:33:26 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
how about now?
ratinmybed ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 17:43:01 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I see a small bright spot but no face at all.
gravity_fish ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:33:31 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
how about now?
MattyGreg ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:14:12 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Even with my brightness all the way up I don't see anything.
gravity_fish ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:33:36 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
how about now?
MattyGreg ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:13:25 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Yup, you need to move. Or burn it down. Either way works.
Rockstar9212 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:14:03 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I wish I could see what your talking about.
Murderous_Prime ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:28:27 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
zoom in on the second link... directly above the lantern
gravity_fish ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:33:42 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
how about now?
moudine ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:21:57 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
You should move.
Deobusje ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:56:47 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Allright, that's enough. Scrolled down all the way until here... NOPE! I'm out!
COHN_FUSED ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:34:37 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
It looks like an owl. You can see the face disks and the reflection of your light on the right side of it's beak.
They can turn their heads pretty much.. anyway they want I suppose, to some extent, just take a look at these cuties. So I wouldn't be surprised if he was clinging onto a beam and taking a look at the people invading his space.
Although, I can't explain the ear looking things. I know there are owls with tufted ears, but those are much longer than any breeds I know of (Off the top of my head) and the light didn't seem to show up the rest of the 'owls' markings, and even though they can be very bendy and eerie when they want to, it couldn't possibly be markings on it's wings from that angle.
Whatever it is, it could of caused a lot of trouble up there- Which it obviously didn't, so if it is some sort of 'ghosty' thing, leave it alone and it'll probably leave you alone.
Psychohorak ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 15:14:31 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
http://i.imgur.com/VFRWm4L.jpg This image really scares me...
MR1120 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:27:02 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I'm missing it. What's going on?
PlaceboBunny ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 23:32:33 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
The photo was taken in 1919; basically, the misty face behind the man was that of their crew member who had died two days prior to the picture being taken.
It has been posted in this thread countless times and I'm pretty sure it'll be posted many more times.
Psychohorak ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 07:38:54 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Look at the zoomed in picture, to the right of the guys face...
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lightbear ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:11:59 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
http://imgur.com/gallery/tASq4i6
I know this isn't exactly what you had in mind. I have never experienced a "supernatural event" and am very skeptical of people who have. So, the most convincing photo of something supernatural, something that just can't be explained, is the Hubble Ultra Deep Field.
karmavorous ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:30:59 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
There could be septillions of ghosts in that picture. :)
what__year_is__this ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 17:06:03 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
these are the most convincing photos to me because I took them myself. the first is of a cool looking tree spirit dude, and the second is of a ghost. more detailed descriptions in the imgur album: http://imgur.com/a/NVpEC
Disabled-fist ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:56:41 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Wow!
DrDongStrong ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 21:38:16 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Meditating in the forest? I don't like to hate on people but I think less of people who do that.
what__year_is__this ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:36:01 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
ok.
DrDongStrong ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 17:01:35 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Well I wanted to say that the picture lost credibility because some hippie thought she saw something but I thought it'd get downvoted. Guess it didn't matter in the end.
what__year_is__this ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:47:05 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
hippies are not the only people that meditate. meditation is good for your health. this notion is supported by some of the top names in medicine.
http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/meditation/HQ01070
https://sites.google.com/site/hopkinsmeditation/
http://www.cnn.com/2011/HEALTH/04/05/meditation.reduce.pain/
http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/269910.php
http://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2011/01/eight-weeks-to-a-better-brain/
http://www.redlands.edu/academics/meditation-room/5173.aspx
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Research_on_meditation
DrDongStrong ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 18:47:34 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I guess I just believe in modern medicine instead of basically sleeping and thinking I see spirits and thinking I don't feel pain.
Jim_Nightshade ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 18:38:36 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
This one's creepy as shit: http://youtu.be/VHsEr_9IIVM
nigtrunr ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 18:59:05 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Looks like MC Hammer's pants have gained sentience and escaped.
meowmeowmeowmeowmeo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:01:22 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Ridiculously obvious puppet.
MmmmmCookieees ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:09:57 on December 19, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I have seen some shit on this thread and this legitimately freaked me out! How did they realize they caught this footage? Are they in the habit of checking their footage often?
Jim_Nightshade ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:55:07 on December 19, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I'm really not sure, I just saw this in another similar thread. I would assume they have the trail cam set up to monitor wildlife.
seeveedubs ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:58:08 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)*
http://imgur.com/8xRyJpY We went to cut our christmas trees and something bizarre appeared in a picture that was taken. My parents blamed my brother and i for fucking with the picture and we had no idea what she talking about. edited: pointed out http://imgur.com/eOVhdlJ
Iziama94 ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 18:30:19 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I really hope to go you're not talking about the High Tension Lines in the background, plending in with the white clouds to make it look like there is a UFO... I really hope you aren't really thinking that..
NInja Edit: It looks more like it's photo shopped out or something, but still
seeveedubs ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:40:37 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I posted it circled in the edit. Not sure if that's what you were talking about.
alcaponesuite ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:42:54 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
It's just one of these. http://www.hubbertpeak.com/pix/DSC00403.JPG.
Iziama94 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:46:27 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, it's clearly the High Tension Lines blending in in the background. See, look below that, you can see it by the trees. Here is a picture of one.
Look at the top of it, and follow it down. You will be able to see the bottom support of it. It looks like it's on an angle, but the actual High Tension Line is is pointing a way to make it look like it's on an angle like that. The clear path is easily suggesting too, that that area has a line of them, since trees would get in the way of them, and since the middle part of it is near the same colour as the clouds, it just blends in since it looks like you took it with a camera no more than 4 megapixels and on a cellphone so the quality of the picture isn't so good.
Ramv36 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:49:50 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
All hail go, our lord and savior! And his son Jesu
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LOOK TO THE SKIIIIES
seeveedubs ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:41:59 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
it's a little above dead center in the sky
alexhaase ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:08:25 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
That is fucking awesome.
Dr_Gage ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:08:18 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
can you point to it? I don't see anything strange with this photo.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:48:51 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
That is a log carrier attached to two high tension steel cables. You may not have noticed the cables if you weren't looking for them and it's possible the log carrier was moving through the frame when the picture was taken so it wouldn't have been there for most of the time you were. However, I believe it's an opportunistic picture that is being used as a 'UFO' picture. Not one person is giving it a second thought in the photo.
Mountainman1111 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:10:45 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Not even a log carrier, just the top of a high tension power line.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:17:52 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
true-true. The only reason I say log carrier is that it looks like this old one I always saw up at Lake Merriweather.
COHN_FUSED ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:38:40 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
If you tilt your screen back while looking at the first one, there's a weird mumble-jumble of pixels around the UFO and around the cloud to the right of it, that doesn't occur anywhere else in the picture (Or at least, nowhere that I can see)
If you do it with the picture that has the red circle added, the same thing happens to the only edited part of the photo. Just found that sort of weird.
asianwaste ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:59:44 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Here's a personal one that I took myself: http://i.imgur.com/ecohtxj.jpg
Story
I was stationed Japan. I was a Master at Arms. I work night shifts occasionally so my daily routine sometimes will be the night owl's on and off work days. I was playing Counter-Strike Source at like 3 AM. Game froze and tried to go back to windows. You can see the old XP task bar down there. My desktop didn't come back. It was a black screen with pixels from the game still existing. The pixels globbed around for a few seconds slowly until if finally stopped. Before I pulled the plug, I noticed something was a bit odd. The way the pixels landed, it looked like a face of a woman. Sure enough, I had the old point and shoot by my desk and took a pic of it right away (you can also see my reflection LOL)
Fenkirk ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:09:41 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
The important thing is you have the wizard from Heroquest as a mascot.
He will protect you from ghosts!
asianwaste ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:39:11 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
The girl in my monitor was once a wizard. She cast walk through walls and there was too much wall. She's stuck.
COHN_FUSED ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:20:41 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I see Jar Jar Binks in the reflection on the top of the monitor, first thing I noticed :P
throwaway_fuckyou_x2 ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 20:54:14 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
You have an overactive imagination.
lsmucker ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:19:40 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
and a super old printer.
asianwaste ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:40:29 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
This was from years ago LOL
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[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:14:34 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe...
My_Ex_Got_Fat ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:16:18 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Shameless /r/nosleep plug
paperballpark ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:27:41 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
If you have problems sleeping, try /r/nosleep
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:33:15 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Oh I feel into that trap before; it's not gonna work this time for knowledge is power, my friend. KNOWLEDGE IS POWER!
instasquid ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:50:36 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I just made the same mistake.
SpanxTheMonkey ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:13:19 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
sucks for you guys. I'm just waking up and this thread is awesome
mycatthinksimawesome ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:40:10 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
John Chang's electrical chi powers. John Chang knew how to control his "chi" to heal people. He even demonstrates how he can ignite a newspaper instantly on 03:12 I think this is real and it's gotten me doing research on the subject of "chi".
pharseid379 ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 17:14:33 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
The igniting paper (or other materials) is a pretty well-known trick in the orient. You mix a couple chemicals, wait a little while and it bursts into flame. On one of the survival shows I show the host use something from a medical kit to do this, I think it's some permagnate which is mixed with something else. On the other hand, I encourage you to study the chi, I took Tai Chi for 6 years and found it very rewarding.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 19:02:06 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Potassium permanganate and glycerin. It's crazy, the reaction of even just a little can get hot enough to melt asphalt.
cross-eye-bear ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:06:07 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
And your hand?!
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heartbrokenheartbeat ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:51:44 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe someone can link it because I cannot find it, but that one post (it nay have been 4chan, sorry) where the boy and his mom are forced to evacuate Disney World and his mom snaps a picture of the ceiling and reveals some boy hanging there. Never know if it was confirmed or not.
Edit: found it
http://www.funnyjunk.com/channel/morbid-channel/Creepy+Disneyland/YmBTGLz/
The second picture is the one on Google maps with the weird humanoid thing standing on the balcony. I never understood why Google ultimately grayed it out.
http://creepypasta.wikia.com/wiki/Google_Maps_3D you have to scroll a tiny bit but it's there.
Believemeimlyingx ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:08:51 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Im noping right out of here. I live all alone and very paranoid this is the last thread i need to read.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:51:56 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
That NASA photoshopped this image. The video where they put it through the editors makes it more clear but I can't find it. http://www.news.com.au/technology/conspiracy-theorists-confident-photoshopped-nasa-image-is-a-cover-up/story-e6frfro0-1225936084529
Zaruma ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 18:27:53 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Lol! The editor gives a completely reasonable explanation and the conspiracy theorists refuse to believe her. That's just a great example that people believe only what they want to believe.
Ramv36 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:44:04 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I suppose it's reasonable for purposes of 'Oh look pretty pictures'...but in terms of scientific evidence, removing anything makes it useless. It's like a rape victim taking a shower and cleaning up before going to the hospital for evidence of the event to be taken.
I'm not trying to say the photo was anything or not, only that the entire exercise was a waste of time by introducing alterations. Why not simply present the actual, unmolested image with a 'Note: Cassini takes multiple images through differing filters at different times, thus accounting for the unnatural coloration. This photo has not been retouched or altered" Problem solved.
It's reminiscent of those space sounds videos NASA releases. "Here is what Jupiter sounds like! We record the radio emissions for hours, then speed them up 10,000x faster, convert to analog and alter the pitch 5 octaves, yep this purely created digital garbage is exactly what Jupiter sounds like!"
Colisu ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:59:12 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
My brother has some pictures and video of weird shit going on. I've seen them and they are a little creepy, but I still don't believe it. Him and everyone else in my family does, though. I like to think my "it's not real" attitude has kept me safe from any ghosts lol. Doesn't stop me from feeling uneasy after watching a scary movie in dark by myself. I just chalk that up to being a good movie.
elitexero ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 19:27:57 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
It's exactly that. It's not the whole 'I don't believe so ghosts can't haunt me". It's more along the lines of they're not real, so you don't immediately look for a supernatural outcome when something happens that you don't have a proper explanation for at that time.
It's the same thing with magic/illusions. If you buy into it, it looks like real magic. If you understand it's an illusion, it's something you don't have the answer to, but you know it's not actually real and therefore don't associate the performer with supernatural abilities.
Ramv36 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:45:29 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
You've perfectly described my views of religion.
elitexero ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 01:11:52 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Mine as well.
Cerblu ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:42:36 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
The Toys R Us ghost
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DarlingtonDude ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:56:57 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
The so called 'Nightcrawlers'. There are several videos from different sources, and they are all creepy as fuck.
They also match Indian lore in the area based on statues from that region.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fMv85lRAmuk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2a1nDOPPXLM
frolics_with_llamas ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:09:47 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I kinda like them :) they look like some kind of creature from a Miyazaki film.
ihatetyler ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:05:12 on April 12, 2014 ยท (Permalink)
Oh my God I thought the same thing! It makes me feel much better. Ahaha I know this is old...
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Fluffydodo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:15:44 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Hola brethren!
prosummobono ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:00:13 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
My thoughts exactly.
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[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:20:39 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
It's 10am here, I hope I will forget all of this before going to bed.
pylon567 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:09:20 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
You wanted to pull an all nighter.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:11:57 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
It's not really scary. At all.
DeadCannon1001 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:29:27 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Because everything posted had been easily explained.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:39:31 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Who needs to sleep anyway?
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greeniguana6 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:02:06 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I know that Bigfoot is probably mentioned a lot in here, but the Patterson footage remains the most undisputed evidence we have of Bigfoot.
You can find it at around 2:47 in this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OBTUQI60yqQ
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greeniguana6 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:39:42 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, this is just a video of some of it on YouTube. If you want to analyze the original film, you'll have to find it somewhere besides YouTube.
nightkhaos ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:20:01 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Without dispute, conclusively proven....
And yet if we read the Wikipedia article it is clearly very disputed. Maybe you should choose your words more carefully? I would suggest something like "most convincing"...
through_a_ways ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:16:33 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe you should read your words more carefully.
nightkhaos ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:30:58 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
No I shouldn't. As I stated in the other thread, you can't have levels of undispute. It's either disputed or its not. You can have various levels of dispute. A better way to say it was also provided. Another way would be "least disputed".
greeniguana6 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:59:35 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Wow, you sure showed me!
Read the context it was used in first. most undisputed. As in the least disputed. If you can show me a piece of less disputed evidence that Bigfoot may in fact exist, share it with me and I'll shut up.
nightkhaos ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:19:01 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Which doesn't make any sense. Undisputed is a binary state. Something cannot be partially undisputed. It is disputed, or it's not.
My point stands. I wasn't telling you to shut up. I was telling you have a poor choice of words, and it's didn't make any sense. I even gave you a suitable alternative. You know where the edit button is, use it.
greeniguana6 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 03:42:45 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
"Mostly" describes the degree of how undisputed the evidence is, just like saying "hardly disputed".
nightkhaos ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:49:02 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
No. "Hardly disputed" is a degree of dispute. Undisputed means complete lack of dispute, therefore attempting to qualify that is redundant. Thus "mostly undisputed" is akin to saying a singular object is "mostly dead".
greeniguana6 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:53:39 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I actually said "most undisputed", implying that this was undisputed amongst a greater amount of people than other evidence.
I can't believe I'm doing this, I'm goddamn feeding the troll.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:22:09 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:49:05 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Serious answers only.
FactualNeutronStar ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:03:41 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I think the fact that now that 99% of people have cameras on them at all times and 'evidence' for the supernatural has stayed the same or even decreases is telling that there is no supernatural.
funny_little_birds ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 07:19:27 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I never thought of it that way before. I agree with you. Still doesn't mean I'll play Bloody Mary by myself in front of a mirror in a bathroom in an abandoned Sanitarium at 3am though :o)
umpire11 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:08:40 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Scared ? Say scared !
HaMMeReD ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:20:24 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I dunno, I once had a mean orb I photographed. I don't have the picture anymore, but it was me, my dad and stepmom in a public market.
Right in front of me, there was a 10cm spherical object that didn't look like a flare or anything just hovering in front of me. Wasn't there in the real world.
Now I know it was probably some sort of anomolous thing that can be explained, however I've taken thousands of pictures and I've only seen one unexplainable blob of orb in any of them.
FreeKushBlunt ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:08:26 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Always thought this was interesting, apparently this man crawled under his kitchen sink to fix a leak, to find his future self on the other side. He recorded the encounter. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qBUv4j3DINE&feature=youtube_gdata_player
TheJaroftheWest ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 02:44:36 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Based on the results from this post, they most likely had sex.
the_wolfbeard ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:23:03 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
... in the middle of a field ... and decided to film himself rather than any of his surroundings ... with his older self's tattoo appearing to have not faded in the slightest ... and no video or explanation of how he got back from said field.
BitchWidget ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:51:48 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Ears are different. But that was good, filming older self in the midst of sun rays. Yeah, uh, tattoos fade.
Chance815 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:02:40 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not defending the video.... but... Yeah, uh, its called getting redone!
Cryx-Hat ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:30:47 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
why would a time portal just randomly appear under some guy's sink?
mammalist ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:01:48 on December 16, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
This is an ad for a pension company, apparently.
aeyamar ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:32:03 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)*
I always found the Shroud of Turin fairly compelling. Even if it's a forgery the mere fact that it was forged so well in the Middle Ages is an accomplishment itself.
Edit: sp
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:57:20 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
*Muggle
aeyamar ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:58:43 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Sorry, posting from a phone
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:03:26 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Haha, that's okay. I thought it was one of the more entertaining parts of the thread. I too am a fan of the Shroud of Turin. Has anyone ever theorized how one could be made? It would make sense for that to be an actual shroud placed over a body that had been prepared with burial ointments (a common process of embalming throughout antiquity and the middle ages).
aeyamar ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:23:16 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
That's actually one of the big mysteries about it. So far, no one has quite figured out how the image on the shroud was made, even after many attempts to replicate it. The closest they've come so far involved using uv laser pulses, which obviously wouldn't have been available to a medieval forger.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:30:24 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Right. As a historian, I'm always interested in relics that were manufactured- people would go to ridiculous lengths to confirm and create relics. It had to have laid on an actual body, and possibly have been exposed to sunlight for an extended period of time. The article mentions that someone did a facial reconstruction on that guy. I'm curious to see what that looked like.
saltnvinegar ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:43:17 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
History Channel did a thing on the Shroud of Turin a year or so ago that was half how it could have happened and half reconstructing what he would have looked like. If you go to the last minute (god that was such a pain in the ass to watch live, 2+ hours to see the last minute!), they show what their reconstruction looked like. If History Channel is to be trusted...
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:46:36 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Lol, love that last sentence. Oh history channel... the bane of my existence. Thanks for finding that though!
pumpmar ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:27:45 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
That gave me chills.
aeyamar ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:34:23 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I recall also that the pollen found in the shroud was also from the Jerusalem area, so the forgery would had to have been done in the levant as well. Just curious, are you one of the flaired members of /r/AskHistorians by any chance?
demon_stare7 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:26:32 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
It could or could not exist. I think it doesn't matter, what we believe. Just like religion, if it exists, so be it. Who are we to judge? Wait till you die, and figure it out. Also, like religion, some people will swear up and down it's real, some swear it's all a hoax.
/r/nosleep if you want a better idea.
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DerpSherpa ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:09:59 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Tinkerbell?
UnderwaterPianos ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:56:32 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)*
A (Virgin Mary?) statue that opens and closes its eyes
A statue of Christ that moves on its own
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 19:01:02 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
That was terrible
drewgarr ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:53:15 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
This article on cracked shows some very good examples of UFO activity
Outofmany ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:29:49 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
That's funny because on two occasions I saw those green fire balls, except this was in Denver.
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s0gigolo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:36:19 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Holy **** that's crazy!
dan105 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:42:53 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Posting this because I haven't found it yet. Apologies if this is a repost. The Battle of Los Angeles, February 24-25, 1942.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Los_Angeles
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ender_wiggum ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:11:39 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Bigfoot!
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throwaway_fuckyou_x2 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:16:31 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Looks like a double exposure.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:03:02 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
UFO hovering in Montreal : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PY3tz6hjQy0 Goto 1:00
Aiiimytoe ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:07:50 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
In this age of digital photography and omnipresent cell phones you would expect there to be countless photos of ghosts (not counting photo-shopped images). Unless, of course, all those images of ghosts were just an artifact of photography with photographic film (e.g. double exposure).
etothepowerof3 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:11:42 on December 16, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
And in this thread of thousands of comments, no one could present a single photo that didn't have a reasonable explanation.
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JohnPombrio ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:14:08 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Looks more like they are hung over from the rum...
I_m_a_turd ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:23:45 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
it looks like the same girl as the picture /u/rysssam posted.
wanx2juxx ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:24:28 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
You mean the girl in this one? http://imgur.com/BN0sIpC Wonder how many pics she creeped into.
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[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:53:35 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
This is one I can never debunk. I live in NC and have been meaning to head out that way for a while to see if I can capture them on video.
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dragon_fiesta ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:20:44 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
while I do not believe in the "supernatural" (the show is great) Pics of strange things are awesome and I love them, its like a puzzle that you have to figure out that there may not be an answer to.
iwantmoarf00d ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:37:00 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
None of the pictures in this thread will load on my laptop.
That's kinda creeping me out in itself..
tonenine ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:24:35 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Most convincing IMO
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cX-IITRsqtU
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:30:25 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Easily the Sallie House Ghost
http://www.thesalliehouse.com/articles/heartland_ghost_page.html
Watch the sightings episode from the early 90's on Youtube. Crazy stuff.
JizzBeef ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:46:20 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I was there in mid October of this year. I'm a huuuuuge skeptic when it comes to the paranormal/supernatural, but our equipment got a lot of activity, and my group talked to Sallie, apparently.
LazyCourier ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:28:05 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Does anyone know if that video of the" blue dots" at a gas station was real?
CookiesAndMylf ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:33:32 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
There's a show called "Fact or Faked" and I think on season 2 episode 18 they talk about this, it was a bug flying to close to the camera
TicTokCroc ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:06:04 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I keep trying to find this video but never can. I saw it on television 20 or so years ago. It's a video of people going up into the attic and the camera crew stays down below and there's a lot of commotion and the homeowner downstairs starts yelling that she told them not to go up there. The guys up in the attic took a picture and it looks like one of them is hanging from a rope. Those are the only details I can remember but it made quite the impression on me. Obviously bullshit but I found it very convincing as a kid.
UnicornReality ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:18:43 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Is this the one where the ghost is a little girl called Sarah?
TicTokCroc ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:50:19 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I don't remember that detail. Possibly though.
MadraRuaMulder ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:55:07 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Is this it, or at least related to it?
San Pedro Haunting
TicTokCroc ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:15:48 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)*
That's it. You're awesome. Thanks.
EDIT: That's definitely some of the same footage but I think I saw it on a different show. There was definitely another clip of a woman yelling up to the attic, but they may not have shown it on whatever show this was. Or maybe it was a clip from a separate case. Anyway, obviously it's bullshit but as a kid it messed me up pretty good.
bewilderedmuffin ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:19:41 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I've searched years for that video but no luck.
TicTokCroc ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:50:04 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Yep, very frustrating. It was incredibly dramatic footage, which makes he think it was debunked at some point or we'd still be hearing about it.
Ms_moonlight ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:35:40 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Was this recently on Paranormal Witness? Was it a single mother to two kids? I think she hired some ghost people because she had problems and one of the ghost hunters gets thrown into the corner and another takes a picture and he's just there in the corner looking really unnatural. They had video and a picture.
TicTokCroc ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:17:00 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Probably not unless it was an incident that happened a long time ago. This was circa 1989.
Ms_moonlight ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:11:45 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paranormal_Witness (Man in the attic)
According to season 2, episode 1 it happened between 1988 and 1990, so that could be it.
Some of the stuff on Paranormal witness is from the 1980s, some of it is from as recent as this year.
cutecutecute ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:47:19 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)*
I took this picture at the Carbon County Jail (no longer being used - site of the hanging of seven accused coal miners known as the Molly Maguires in the 1870s) in Jim Thorpe, Pennsylvania. It was taken from the door of one of the basement cells, looking into it. Didn't notice the face until I uploaded the photos to my computer.
http://imgur.com/wLmVJ6a
JebronLames23 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:58:41 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I've been to Jim Thorpe once in my younger days. It was an October evening and every store was closed and no one was on the streets. The whole town has an erie feeling to it. It is a lovely mountain town though
cutecutecute ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:10:50 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I was actually blown away at how beautiful it was. Right in the middle of PA, too - you wouldn't expect it.
ViciousKnids ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:49:41 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
You should check out Summit Hill and other older mining towns. Freaky stuff happens all the time. Especially near shafts.
cutecutecute ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:24:07 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Thanks for the recommendation! My parents live in PA, so I only get to visit once or twice a year, but I like checking out new creepy places. Will definitely check these out next time I'm there.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:47:30 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Summit Hill. Mining Town. Silent Hill... I see what they did there.
CattleDecapitation ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:51:50 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Montaulk Monster http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Montauk_Monster
IamSeth ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:10:01 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
It was a raccoon.
_Madison_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:09:47 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
There was a Japan Tsunami video i saw once which looked 'normal' except for a split second it looked as if something large jumped out the water. Its hard to explain but it looked pretty weird ill have to look for the video.
the_wolfbeard ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:33:49 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)*
I saw that one as well and I think what it actually was, was some sort of cannister with compressed air that got punctured. It was really weird looking though and appeared as something shot up the side of a building.
EDIT: Found the vid for those interested... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_dT0no1QZYI
WifeAggro ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:52:03 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
how was that a canister full of air crawling up the wall like that? I am not convinced of your explanation. Not after being on this thread for two days!!
HandyShandy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:26:37 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
What is this? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WGylTSgXyRg
intelligently_stupid ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:32:38 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
It's hard to tell, but it looks like that might be a moth or some other flying insect.
HandyShandy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:34:25 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, the first clip was, but I never thought the second one looked like that because of the perfect arc
emperor000 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:33:11 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
What is what? The fly or other insects flying around...? Or are you referring to something less obvious in the video?
ace451 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:15:01 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
The miracle of the sun at fatima http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-YXELHik2SA8/Tc14UhFQ2gI/AAAAAAAAANY/qA4M4BB0n1w/s1600/FatimaSun_13Oct1917.jpg
While the photographic evidence isnt all that convincing the amount of contemporary confirmation (people seeing it 11 miles away ect.) is profound http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miracle_of_the_Sun
Jakerlb ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:28:15 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
A few years back, I was hanging out with a friend playing games, when his older brother showed up. Living in PA I guess people go to a lot of bonfires. Anyways his brother just got home from one and just kept freaking out to us telling us about a picture. He then precedes to pull out a camera they were using at said bonfire. He goes to a specific picture to show the creepiest and most blatant face ever that was floating next to a few randoms. Me personally I do not relieve in the supernatural, but this had me believing and it left the worst pit in my stomach. Only problem is I'll never have the picture to show.
kempez3 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:12:26 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I've always enjoyed the "Devil Dragon" from right here in Australia. It's kinda cheesy, but is actually pretty spooky.
umpire11 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:15:12 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
"This video is not available in your country". Thanks, Obama !
kempez3 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:25:07 on December 16, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
This one is worse quality, it's watchable and hopefully available to you.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:46:35 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
When I was a teen I was the most amateurish of a paranormal investigator with my friends of all time and of course the only skeptic. We had equipment and everything and even though I didn't believe. We went to a cemetery that is very old and supposedly haunted. Often called "The green lady cemetery" because that's where the Green lady supposedly haunts of course. This is still a popular site today for people to go to and scare themselves due to absolutely nothing.
Anyhow, we saw the mist that was reported though it was not green and was no doubt completely normal. But not the Green Lady because just like all ghosts she doesn't exist. My friends hastily took pictures of the mist at night and were convinced it was time to flee, because you know mist...
The pictures of the mist (I apologize I do not have copies of such but I assure you they are not worth looking at) revealed that there is indeed mist. But of course to my friends that's enough to claim that they saw the Green Lady and that they made a brave excursion into the haunted cemetery only to escape by the skin of their teeth. Ignoring the fact that I of course just casually walked to the vehicle with my head down in shame and was not brutally murdered by the ghost that wasn't there.
So yeah... mist is my most convincing photo.
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[deleted] ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 15:35:26 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Go play LoL and jerk to hentai.You're better off doing that.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:03:07 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Ad hominem doesn't amount to a counter argument. (a weak one too) Enjoy your belief in the supernatural.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:51:38 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I don't believe my self but you coming here and dissing is it when it says "Serious".Do you know how to read?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:16:54 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I'm just saying my opinion, you are entitled to disagree but you are not entitled to display such a pathetic attempt at personally attacking me.(hey man go watch p-p-p-porn and p-play videogames o-okay..?)
The serious tag in this context means that you are only supposed to submit serious photos, nothing funny/no joke-photos.
You can still say your opinion on the topic.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 04:54:38 on December 16, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Personally attack you?That's so sad. And "saying your opinion" is not an excuse to talk crap about others that believe in it.(Hey man y-yo-your hurting my fe-feel-feelings.That's p-p-ersonal a-att-ttack.)
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:40:09 on December 16, 2013 ยท (Permalink)*
Thankfully we live in the civilized world where superstitious nonsense can be ridiculed and made fun of. It's dangerous by the way, demanding respect for superstitious beliefs, there are cases where "exorcisms" lead to death. This is just one example.
You nutcase are trying to silence me and telling me I should not say my opinion just because other people believe in this nonsense? I have every right to say that I don't believe in this nonsense, just like you have every right to say you do believe in it, but don't start demanding respect where none is due and don't claim to be offended.
You would make a great Iranian politician, by the way.
Edit: I hope you are spotting the irony/hypocrisy in your post by the way, it's really beautiful. You complain that, by simply stating my opinion, I'm "offending" and "hurting other peoples feelings" and it seems to be a big deal for you, but at the same time you attempt to "offend" me and when I call you out on it you say "Hey man y-y-ou are hurting my feelings, that's a personal attack" --> essentially saying "get over it".
Well, right back at you. Get the fuck over it.
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I've already explained you it's important to ridicule this nonsense, because it's dangerous.
"That is all peasant, I got "Leader" stuff to do.
Someone submit this to r/cringepics. Grow the fuck up.
Oranges101 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:05:10 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
http://i.imgur.com/apnLzWO.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/DTuFKAp.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/Jjpn3w5.jpg
Taken in a my back yard
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 22:05:12 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I bring you love
packetpirate ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:38:41 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
That looks like a plastic bag...
whatsweirdis ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:47:27 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Halloween ghoul decoration
Incarnate10 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:04:35 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Freaky.
emperor000 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:18:30 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Come on...
Demojen ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 15:48:23 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I am confused by the wording of the question. Convincing of the existence of the supernatural or convincing that itself was supernatural? If you're asking for the former, you won't find it. People either believe it exists or they do not and this paints their interpretation of the latter.
If you're asking for the latter, this would be my bet. These are the pillars of creation, seen through the eyes of Herschel.
The forces at work within the Eagle Nebula are a thing of awe.
taylorxo ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:52:14 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
wat
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killhimalready ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 17:30:35 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I think that's absolutely real. I agree with you, jesuswasafaggot.
Insightless ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:35:30 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Wasn't the guy who filmed that video, out in that area filming a bigfoot movie to begin with?
psufan5 ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 18:11:25 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Thats a dude in a suit, the stabilized video pretty much proves that.
markth_wi ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:41:18 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)*
At the end of the day, I suspect we're not going to have much, a photo that may or may not have been shopped. But nobody is going to come down with - oh here's the data-results I have from this device I use to track the comings and goings of ghosts or angels whenever I do this or that.
That would be scientific and checkable. So practically we're asking to be fooled with anything less than repeatable experiments.
Even in traditional science, that holds.
Consider the "Wow Signal".
If we presume to say that this was a technological signal, than it was a phenomenally unlikely condition, a point-to-point transmission in our local region of the galaxy, through which the Earth happened to pass, AND for which humans happened to be listening to, on the correct frequency.
But it never occurred again, and we've never found another signal like it, so while amazingly interesting and tantalizing, it's not confirmable - so it's not really anything we can actively consider as proof of anything.
dragon_fiesta ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:09:12 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I agree the Wow signal is pretty cool
0arussell ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:26:28 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
This picture my friend took in his flat. he said an old woman was found dead in the flat before he had it, she had been there soo long that she was stuck to the carpet. If you turn your brightness up on your computer and tilt your screen you can see it even clearer, the face in the curtain. http://imgur.com/4knkD1R
throwaway_fuckyou_x2 ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 20:47:57 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, he's lying or it's a double-exposure.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 21:38:53 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Pretty obvious shop.
Ramv36 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:52:39 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Just like every photo ever taken ever by anyone anywhere after 1999, obviously.
0arussell ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:05:08 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I thought it was photoshoped as well because the picture is THAT clear, but he really isnt that smart to make it lol
Beeyull ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 00:45:01 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Welp, time the change the ol' underwear.
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killhimalready ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:12:07 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
This photo taken of an alleged monster in Lake Champlain. The monster is known as "Champ".
Not quite supernatural, but it still hasn't been explained.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:50:38 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
The guy who took that picture admitted to faking it on his deathbed, I think. It may have been another picture though.
TurnNburn ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 17:58:59 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
The Locke Ness picture is the one you're thinking of.
killhimalready ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:55:09 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
The photographer in question is female, and I'm pretty sure she's still alive.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:41:43 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
As someone else pointed out, I was thinking of the loch ness image. Sorry.
bertyewor ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:12:18 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
why post lies? what is the utility of that?
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:14:57 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
If you had bothered to read even one or two more comments, you would see that I was confusing this with the original Loch Ness monster picture.
polarage ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:28:51 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I've always been interested in the supernatural, more specifically ghosts and apparitions. My friend and I went on a ghost tour in Gettysburg, in a specific building she had visited before and had experiences. I went in very skeptical, not expecting anything to happen and just to learn some interesting history. (i know how much ghost tours like to hype things up, so I just went for the fun of it) I brought my camera, which is an older model digital. (Finepix S7000) When the tour guide had our group in the attic, talking about the history, the door right next to me opened seemingly by itself. I wrote it off as a parlor trick since it coincidentally opened right after the guide had mentioned a ghost child that usually opens that door. But the basement is where all the magic happened. My friend was sitting in a spot at the back of the room where she could see the staircase. There was a wall separating the side of the staircase from the rest of the basement. I was sitting on a bench along the side of this wall. So the tour guide was talking, and I was listening intently. My friend tries to grab my attention. She whispered to me that she saw something at the top of the stairs. I was like, "yeah right," and continued listening to the guide. But I was watching her from the corner of my eye, and she was getting increasingly excited. She whispered to me again, "there is someone at the top of those stairs, just looking at me...you HAVE to take a picture." I was actually getting kind of nervous, because although I had already lived in an active house as a child, nothing ever interacted with me before. I was kind of creeped out that what she was seeing was just staring at her...and didnt want to see the same thing. Half a minute later, she yelled out, "Somebody come over here and take a picture!" So of course, everybody ran over and started flashing pictures at the staircase. After everyone was done, I leaned around the wall and snapped a quick one, without flash. (everyone else used flash) Since this was in 2009, everyone checked their cameras immediately and didnt find anything. (that im aware of) I waited to look at mine later. After the tour was over, I asked her what she had seen on the stairs. She described in detail that it was a woman in colonial clothing just standing there and staring at her for a while. She said it wasnt like a sinister stare, but it was with intensity. So when we were driving back home, I started to look at my pics I took that day. Everything was normal, until I reached that particular picture I took of the stairs. I screamed to her that I caught something, although I didnt get a good look of it yet. She literally veered to the side of the road and we studied it as closely as we could. We were like schoolgirls, jumping up and down with excitement. We could see that although I took this in a completely dark room, there was definitely a bright blue something in the top right corner. I was really tired by the time I got home, but we wanted to see it on a lager screen immediately. Most amazing thing ever. she told me that it was the same face, but what she had seen was a normal looking person, with substance. But what I caught was a bright blue wispy thing, half of the face is visible. You can see sort of a surprised expression, hair, nose, mouth, you can even see the pupil of the eye. There is a lot going on in that space, sometimes I see a hand under the womans chin, every time I see another face in front of the womans, it could be an old lady, it could be the same lady but as she looked while rotting. (the noseholes are really what leads me to that idea) Here is that picture, not edited or enhanced in any way. Underneath is the the altered version, just zoomed into the area in question and somewhat clarified. The red glow on the stairs is just the small red light on my camera, otherwise the room was pitch black. http://imgur.com/a/nY6Yz I would also like to add that I went back on a tour there with my family, mainly so i could see that same spot of the basement again, to sort of do my own debunking. (Did they have a glowing paint on the wall? Ya never know.) And they did have a bright blue lamp underneath the stairs. But the thing is, this light was not on the first time I was there, and the light is not shining on the top of the staircase, just under the stairs. The stairs were solid and did not have cracks between them, so it was impossible for it to shine through and make weird shapes. My severely unscientific conclusion is that the entity had drawn the energy from the lamp to show itself. There were just too many things that made this unexplainable to me. You can believe what you want from this, but I have no intention of gaining any fame from it. I just like to jump at the opportunity to share this story and picture because I love revisiting this as much as i can. It still gives me the good kind of chills.
killhimalready ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 17:41:24 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Needs a tl;dr!
VaudevilleDada ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 19:40:47 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Or paragraph breaks, even.
polarage ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:25:34 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
lol how do you edit a comment you sent out already? Oh well here it is. tl;dr: A painfully long-winded story detailing the picture in the link that I took which is in my eyes undeniable proof of the supernatural.
Ramv36 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:36:51 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I think the true paranormal event people need to be aware of is how terrifyingly stupid people are becoming today that they'll bitch and gripe about having to read an entire page of text with no TLDR.
Oh noes! Back when I was a kid before we lived in the Idiocracy, people actually read things way longer than this, called 'books', that's pronounced \หbuฬkz. They consisted of hundreds, even thousands of pages of text just like the above post.
Cryx-Hat ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:26:02 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
the size of this wall of text is paranormal.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:29:15 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
This is horrible blurry photo. Not proof enough at. All.
selfification ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:07:21 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/3c/Ilc_9yr_moll4096.png
This is the cosmic microwave background radiation. It shows us how the universe was moments after the big bang. In enough time, given the metric expansion of the universe, we'll never be able to see any other galaxies and the background radiation will have been red-shifted into oblivion. We will literally have no proof of the big bang. If we had existed too long ago in the past, the entire thing would have been too chaotic for us to make out a good image and the big bang would have still been up in the air.
It's quite awesome (as in... awe-some) that we live in a time where the universe is just cool enough for us to see far into its past but not so big and cool that there isn't any proof left.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-EilZ4VY5Vs
charonn0 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:35:53 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Just one correction: the cosmic microwave background image is how the Universe was 379,000 years after the big bang.
selfification ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:28:13 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Sorry... I was mentally using the cosmological timescale and forgot that that isn't always what people think in terms of. You're right:
"Moments" == ~ million years.
"In enough time" == trillions of years (based on our current models).
"Too long in the past" == a few billions of years.
All of these are orders of magnitude because I am not a cosmologist and fuck if I can remember the error bars.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:22:26 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I don't have any way to prove this, but something weird happened a few years ago. I don't take drugs and I was not hallucinating. I came home from work and opened the front door. There was a nightlight my mom leaves on. As I walk in I see the shadow of a man run behind it. I didn't hear any foot steps. The shadow was about 6ft tall. It goes toward the living room. My first thought was it was my dad, but I didn't see his car. I followed it to the living room and it disappeared. I checked the upper floor after because the stairs were there by the front door. Again I found nothing. I went to the basement and I found the two guys that were visiting us from the UK watching TV. I asked if anyone else was home and nobody was. They asked me why I looked troubled. Before I could answer the younger brother of his asked, was it a shadow. Apparently they confirmed what I saw without me saying anything. It was creepy. I've seen this shadow several times after they left and they said they stopped seeing it. I don't know what it is, but he's pretty harmless. If anything seeing him on the road at night saved me from smashing into a deer.
It's been 4 years since I first saw him and 1 year since the last time.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:52:28 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
6 UFO videos taken on the same night at the Temple Mount in Jerusalem, where a UFO was seen and filmed by several witnesses. I don't really believe in UFOs but this one seems the most legit. But I never knew if it was debunked or not.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 20:32:48 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Those are all faked. Video forensics proved it about a day later. There was a team of people who recorded video from different points and the 'UFO' was added in afterward (as well as the audio in many places). Here are some videos which break the fakes down: http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=temple+mount+jerusalem+ufo+fake&sm=3
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:27:46 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Thanks for the update.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:01:52 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
UFOs aren't supernatural.
jaberwocky69 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:37:36 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I think J. Allen Hynek, Jacques Vallรฉe, Carl Sagan, John Keel, and Arthur C. Clarke among others would disagree.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interdimensional_hypothesis
umpire11 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:06:55 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
How do you know they aren't ?
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:52:53 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
By definition of what supernatural means. Alien life doesn't fall under supernatural. It's more for ghost, phantoms, the occult, and demons.
MalevolentFrog ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:24:57 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Ima go with jaberwocky69 on this one.
umpire11 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:19:01 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I understand the differing definitions. But we do not know enough about either the supernatural or alien life to really know if the two are related.
RedXRulez ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:38:23 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Wow, that's a tough one. I don't believe in the "Supernatural", yet there's this really crazy photo of something on Wikipedia called "The Florida Skunk Ape". It honestly really does looks similar to an oversized ape. Somewhat creepy as FUCK, but VERY interesting. Also, I live in Florida...so, at any time during the Night, the Skunk ape may very well be behind me, ready to rape my innards.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Florida_Skunk_Ape
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ViciousKnids ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:54:00 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Video two is a dude taking a dump.
emperor000 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 01:13:56 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
The first is obviously put in digitally. The second one is obviously a staged encounter.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:42:14 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I have seen a few pictures of "orbs" that other people thought where convincingly spirits or ghosts, but I did the research and it's actually not supernatural at all, but dust.
downvoteonlyman ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:06:32 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
The Dyatlov Pass Incident.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 17:09:50 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
http://www.cracked.com/article_16671_6-famous-unsolved-mysteries-with-really-obvious-solutions.html
RedManStrat89 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:18:00 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
lol "gas maniac"
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zamora24 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:40:09 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Not a photo but this video of a UFO in Israel.
venther ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:00:50 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Demon in the Wedding
Freeman720 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:25:56 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
You mean the dog?
I-Ate-The-Bones ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:59:33 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, because there is going to be a dog sitting on a table in a wedding.
Freeman720 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:11:10 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Hey man, it happens.
venther ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:11:55 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah. It doesn't sound scary when you say dog, but that's it.
Freeman720 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:10:13 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
to be fair, I would be pretty scared if I looked at a picture of myself and saw this over my shoulder.
SevereDimensia ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:08:06 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
This news report about a mass sighting in Jerusalem
thewiremother ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:08:15 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Why ufo and conspiracy buffs love that song so much?
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ProMarlos ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 16:34:09 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
That was a cardboard cutout left on set as a joke, it's not real.
deathlysins ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:29:43 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I really shouldn't be looking at all this photo's while i'm trying to sleep
idkjay ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:42:14 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
May not be supernatural but I always thought this picture of a wedding gathering was creepy as fuck.
RebeccaSays ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:52:42 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
That was, I think, just an art installation
gun_totin ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:51:09 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I saw an explanation for this, it's a set for a movie or something.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:50:15 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Oh god i was in the woods today and took many photos. I wont look at them until tomorrow. Just in case.
tedcorp ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:57:02 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Honestly. ..I think it's a photo I took 14 years ago. I've absolutely scoured the web for something like it and have never found anything with as much detail. I've heard every possible suggestion of what it could be except that none of them fly.
http://i.imgur.com/rcgFEWm.jpg
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 17:00:03 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
If I had to guess I'd say its most likely that you used Camera flash, which reflected off of something on either her (perhaps a bangle or a necklace, or even something on her clothing) or an object behind her, but I'm not a photo expert, thats just a good guess.
etothepowerof3 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:02:40 on December 16, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Her shirt is entirely made of very reflective sequins too (oh, I miss 1999). Given that they're at a rave, there's probably all kinds of strobe/disco ball effects.
But I'm more concerned about the headless black leather jacket wearer in the right of the photo?
tedcorp ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:26:23 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
K here's the thing...and I've said this soooooo many times over the years...but not here, yet.
I had my wrist through the wrist strap so it was not that. The strap on this model of camera was not long enough to be used and hang down in front of the lens.
There was no one standing between us at the time and I took a few other pics of her that night that did not turn out like this.
Look closely at the top. You can see a whirling cyclone that some beliefs would say is the crown chakra...or the flame of the pentacost.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 18:33:58 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Wrist strap? I didn't mention a wrist strap, where are you getting the wrist strap thing from?
I didn't say there was anyone standing between you either, i said behind her.
I'm perfectly happy for you to explain it and I'm more than willing to accept I might be wrong, but you've not responded to anything I said at all, I'm actually unsure how you managed to misread what I said so badly. Give it another try, looking forward to it (no not to shoot you down, to discuss).
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:02:27 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
OP is very defensive on something you didn't even mention. I agree with you, Dan_Tsukasa. When I saw the picture the first thing I though was it's the plastic or metal clip to a strap dangling in front of the camera or some type of party favor like a balloon's ribbon string or even the ribbon on a glow stick (you can see glow sticks in the picture). However, after Op's reply, I think he/she may get that response a lot and just used to hearing it from others. But either way I believe it to be a strap.
tedcorp ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:02:46 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Fair.
Ok well I said I took other pics of her that didn't do anything like this again.
Yes I used a flash. It's usually pretty dark at a rave so I always had it on unless I was taking a pic of the stage.
Grab the pic and take a good look. Zoom in like I have and examine the detail in the "legs and head". You'll see loops of light going in and out of the legs and what looks like the double helix of DNA in the top.
I've had the pic examined by photog experts and they agreed it was not tinkered with. It is my TSN turning point...the line in the sand between how I used to live and how I see myself and the world now.
I apologize for getting my back up...I've just heard the goofiest explanations like it must've been a candle or someone put the mens washroom sign in the pic.
All I know for certain is when I looked at the preview screen afterwards I let go of the camera out of ahock and it swung from my elbow...because my hand was through the wrist strap.
Also...I was...influenced that night and had been experimenting with astral projection for months leading up to this. It's been proposed that it may even be a pic of my psyche...and I spose I may never know for sure.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:47:12 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Thanks for the reply, my initial response may have come off as more aggressive as intended. I'm not going to completely deny anything, because I'm not 100% sure what that is, just 99%, but I will explain stuff the best I can, you don't have to change the way you think about it, but my thought is whatever photo experts you showed it to weren't very good at their jobs, because it never happens that photo experts assume its supernatural, the best they can ever do is say its not tampered with, which is usually pretty obvious anyway, a photo expert would say with more or less 100% certainty that this was simply light reflection, he could be wrong of course, but I imagine if you asked photo experts all throughout the country (not ones who specialize in the supernatural... those guys are just looking for unusual shit and will see it regardless of if its there or not) then more or less all of them would come to similar conclusions.
Taking other pics isn't all that relevant, as whenever theres an issue with a shot, be it an apparition, strange lens flare, red eye etc, they rarely show up on the 2nd shot, its all about unlucky exact angles, red eye is the perfect example of that.
I see what you mean by the details in legs and head, but it looks more like its ribbed than a double helix, but its not even on each side, thus it looks like it sort of swirls (for lack of a better work).
I don't think the photos been tinkered with at all, that never crossed my mind for a moment, lens flare and other things are much more plausable, take this for example http://vvv.mokrakocicka.cz/gang/filtry_marumi_dhg_lens_protect.jpg thats lens flare there, the green eventhough the light itself isn't green, its a reflection from something off camera or to the side, of course thats a much simpler example, you're is much stranger shaped and sort of looks like the 'mens' sign that you'd see on a toilet door.
TSN (The Super Natural?), don't worry about getting your backup, its something you feel strongly about and me and other people come in here and are all 'Dude thats not supernatural, thats a reflection', as for the candle thing, why would anyone assume there was a candle at a rave, thats just asking for trouble there.
I imagine that if you were 'influenced' that night (is that a drug reference or do you mean this thing had influenced you in itself), and whether it was drinking or drugs or whatever else, seeing something unexpected in a picture is going to screw with your mind for sure, and that will have an effect on you, because at that moment the feeling will be so strong that you'll struggle to really put the pieces into some sort of logical order.
As for it being pic of your Psyche, I'm assuming you mean the original definition of the word as spirit, as opposed to the modern day usage of it being a psychological thing.
UnderwaterPianos ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:56:51 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
so 90''s
tedcorp ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:20:26 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Yes. Dec 3rd 1999.
Took it with a Kodak DC4800. Pretty intense camera for the day.
eshuontheroad ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:01:51 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
cool stuff man
tedcorp ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:04:21 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Thanks...yah...it rocked my world.
didn't know her before the pic at all. She was a total stranger.
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rawrtherapy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:10:46 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I work for Mercedes in Newport California and there warehouse in Irvine is haunted, practically everyone at the dealer knows. There is video proof and still shots from the video. I was literally in aw when I saw firsthand the video/stills. It was the creepiest thing. No one likes going to the second floor of the warehouse alone.
djdoodle ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:18:41 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
"Ghost Adventures" (the original documentary, not the tv show) had a pretty cool one
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:31:11 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I've found this video of the warrens investigating a haunting to be pretty convincing. The recorded footage starts at the 40 second mark. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b8WVg47kiok
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:47:14 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
For some of these pics it's interesting to point out a psychological phenomenon called pareidolia.
SumoMcFly ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 17:57:55 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
/r/Pareidolia
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:22:12 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I thank you. My liver does not.
DownvotedTo0blivion ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:40:36 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
shut up u were gonna drink anyway
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 17:58:28 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
It's certainly interesting by now. I'v been drinking everytime anyone mentions pareidolia. Oh wait - I mentioned it! drinks
av78130 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:52:24 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2401175/Dyatlov-Pass-Indicent-slaughtered-hikers-Siberias-Death-Mountain-1959.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dyatlov_Pass_incident
this is another interesting incident. their tent showed it was ripped open from the inside as they all flee from something in the woods that spooked them. all of their bodies were found in various states of unexplainable trauma. 3 of the other bodies were stated to of not been killed by another human as the trauma suffered was too severe so be sustained by blows from a human. no animal tracks found nearby either.
3nd3rWiggins ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:57:31 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Did you know about the free movie about this on Youtube? It's actually quite good, but the ending could've been better.
av78130 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:02:32 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Really cool I'll check it out thanks. Do you know what its called?
3nd3rWiggins ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:14:01 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Just Dyatlov Pass I think. It's not that hard to find which is surprising that more people don't know about it.
av78130 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:25:55 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Ok cool thanks.
3amfright ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:36:42 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I'm going to be one of those people who reveal their age and comment that in the 1990s it was easier to find the rare paranormal chat room & see photos of the supernatural compared to today where over half of the images online are crap hoaxes created by people needy for attention. That said, I'm going to be even worse and suggest a book: "Real Ghosts, Restless Spirits, and Haunted Places" by Brad Steiger. It's 568 pages of pictures, stories and research over the decades. It has everything from photos of spontaneous human combustion to the Tutbury photo ( http://www.mysteriouspeople.com/WMids_ghost_club.htm ) It'll give you nightmares for years.
realister ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:01:13 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
shame that a mature man believes in kid stories about ghosts. Humanity used to believe in dragons and sea monsters absolutely serious but when they explored the earth and didn't find any dragons they switched to Ghosts, Aliens etc.
Its all a product of human imagination. Modern science and rules of thermodynamics completely deny any possibility of such existence. Be a mature person and realize this is all made up for fun by humans.
3amfright ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:31:19 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Well, I suppose if I was a Mature Man I'd care enough to do so. But I'm not mature, nor a man. I am in fact a woman and an artist, as well as a researcher who requires evidence and a writer who explores old worlds, new worlds and creates what ever my imagination deems fit. Believe what you like. I'll do the same. That is why reality is conjecture. No one person or group of people know all that was, is or could be.
Unfortunate you believe in shaming anyone who dares to have an open mind. Arm chair skeptics who think they hold court in class room science labs ignore the simple fact that all leading fields of man's science are constantly changing and just because it seems preposterous to you doesn't mean there isn't revolutionizing work being done to prove otherwise. There is no harm in questioning, it's what makes people think and grow but ridiculing is something small insecure minds do.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 22:32:48 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I like to think of it in terms of how mundane physical events can create situations that are bizarre, weird, or downright creepy. For instance, I have no illusions about EVP being voices of the dead or whatever... but I DO know that some of them sound really creepy. :)
realister ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:39:39 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I agree we just have to explain to some very impressionate people what this actually is because their wild imagination will make up all kinds of stories.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:40:59 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
The Phoenix lights.
BillyJackO ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:52:40 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
The Atacama Humanoid found in Chile. Here's a chilling interview about the discovery that had an image
RGD365 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:57:19 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
It's a foetus, it was DNA tested and confirmed to be human.
BillyJackO ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:08:40 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
The part that's crazy is researches said it was alive for multiple years. That's the unexplained part.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:12:10 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
The UFO makes way over San Francisco.
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_8RLOdlrA7l4/S2hGWTVfTrI/AAAAAAAAA8Y/hE8YXivHLdw/s640/UFO-March-26-2004-San-Francisco-California-USA.jpg
throwaway_fuckyou_x2 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:48:15 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Could be anything.
caramelcorns ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:35:27 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
This is going to stay buried, but I've always liked this video of a "shadow man" that was on the Bio show "My Ghost Story."
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8yXTqJNU7SI
Ramv36 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:17:15 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
That was the guy living in the attic. Happens more than you'd think
throwaway_fuckyou_x2 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:47:09 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Attention seeking liars.
DreamingDjinn ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:17:40 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OsT6Ld-IOZk This one's pretty easy to fake, I've always felt it was creepy enough to have a chance at being real.
Also the Argentinan Gnome is pretty creepy. Sadly all of the footage is par for the course for this type of stuff. http://youtu.be/rEOKPMZhBtw?t=57s
For the lols: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F677g88kw8Y. Warning: Slight screamer at the very end. Nothing extreme or even too loud, just the "FLASHY IMAGE SCARY MONSTER EATING NOISE" type.
jadedblu ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:31:09 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
that scream lmao
DreamingDjinn ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:56:20 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, really sells that "Gnomes eat flesh and cameras" vibe I got from that scene.
El_Cantante ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:18:40 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)*
The mass apparition of the Virgin Mary in El-Zeitoun, Egypt.
The apparition appeared continuously for several years, were also witnessed by President Gamal Abdel Nasser, and captured by newspaper photographers and Egyptian television. Investigations performed by the police could find no explanation for the phenomenon. No device was found within a radius of fifteen miles capable of projecting the image, while the sheer number of photographs from independent sources suggests that no photographic manipulation was involved. Having been unable to produce an alternative explanation for the luminous sightings, the Egyptian government accepted the apparitions as true.
(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zeitoun_apparitions)
truth_yourself ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:43:41 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
This clip from a Ghost Hunters documentary on Netflix seemed quite compelling. The resolution is far better when actually streamed. In the actual film they also go into more detail with having the video data analyzed by a third party source for possible editing.
The team eventually goes to the famous Goldfield hotel in Western Nevada; however, this footage creeped me out most...
TastyBathwater ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:54:45 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Without a doubt some of the best footage I've seen. Check this dudes channel for more. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TK7SyWEGf5M
newusername123456789 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 22:16:17 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
SO easy to fake that. Some fishing wire gets that done. FAKE.
TastyBathwater ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:16:23 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
It flies from all angles though... Maybe if there were 30 fishing lines attached to the ceiling
Cryse_XIII ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:59:52 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
If you like creepy places read on:
you can skip this paragraph:
well I actually typed a response to a comment here, but my roommate messed with my keyboard so everything got lost and I have to retype everything.
what I have to say is more of a legend than a photo, consider this offtopic if you want but I will confirm this legend myself.
there is a famous place, right here in bavaria, called the pest-chapel. The legend goes that during the time where the "black death" caused havoc, the deceased were buried at this chapel to cleanse their spirits from the evil that has befallen them and to stop the disease from spreading further.
Of course this is but an urban-legend and it varies from person to person, so do not take anything for granted.
But according to "eyewitnesses" and hear-say, there are two major events that occur during nighttime at the chapel. First would be that someone or something resides inside of the chapel and that you can see it's "glowing red eyes".
the other event is for people who get lost in the wood, it is said that a dog appears in front of lost people and guides them to an exit.
to top it off, there are supposed to be 5 wells in the vicinity that are aligned like the five corners of a pentagramm.
personally I think all of this is bullshit, but since I live relatively close there it won't hurt to go and camp there for one or two nights.
As to when I go, I don't know yet.
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Cryse_XIII ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:14:31 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
you can also have it now
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=pestkapelle+weilheim&sm=3
personally I say, as long as there is an incentive to "fish for views" I have no reason to believe anything posted there (I also haven't watched all the videos yet).
also
http://www.merkur-online.de/lokales/weilheim/landkreis/unheimliches-treiben-eine-alte-kapelle-628270.html
it's a german article about it and covers some of the things which were told to me
put it in a translator and you can read for yourself, there are some deviations from my story, but I warned you about that.
VitSasquatch ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:33:55 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Patterson films of bigfoot. Though whether that qualifies as supernatural I'm not sure...
mustafaj95 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:44:56 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I live in the Middle East, there was a photo that sort of went locally viral of a man who found a black cat in the middle of the desert at night, and picked it up and posed for a photo of it in front of his car window, a friend in his passenger seat took the photo, when he saw the photo later there was a dark figure with glowing eyes in the background of the photo, who would have been impossible to miss, the man swears he saw absolutely nothing, these stories are extremely common in the far out parts of the desert, and I've had personal experiences, as have my friends with some seriously hard to explain shit.
BeerPowered ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:21:00 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
DRUGS
GarlicBreadEater ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:47:38 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I was a bit freaked out by his comment until I clicked yours and read it. Thanks for saving me. It was a good laugh.:)
coffeeblack1203 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:20:56 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BobA5ujHkvU
This video is fracking creepy. Yeah, people will say its fake. Doesn't change my mind. Creepy as fuck, bro.
RNDMSTR ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:27:56 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)*
Oh yes, i've been waiting for someone to post that. The guy who made it is an indie horror movie director. I just watched his newest movie sometime ago, i'll try to find it.
EDIT: Turner Clay. But that movie i was talking about wasn't that new apparently. Still an alright movie.
coffeeblack1203 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:32:40 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Ooh okay gotcha. Super well made. Yeah let me know what it is I 'd love to watch it!
RNDMSTR ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:35:19 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Oh yeah, forgot that. Here it is
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[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:39:20 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Wasn't there a guy who thinks he knew who did it and posted his theory?
Chimpeezy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:00:29 on December 17, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Can't help but find that funny, don't find it creepy at all =P
cjxbenko09 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:11:37 on December 18, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I captured this photo a couple years ago in my parent's house. I was messing around with a new phone and taking random photo's at the time I didn't see anything there.. I looked through my gallery and boom, there was this thing. Any ideas on what this is? We have had a lot of activity in this house, I am always seeing things and hearing things every time I step foot into the house I get this weird feeling like someone is watching me and breathing down my neck.
http://tinypic.com/r/2lk5etc/5
MmmmmCookieees ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:08:14 on December 19, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
AGH! Jeebus-- if I were them I would moveโฆ
thenoiseupmerchant ยท -6 points ยท Posted at 15:06:52 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I took this photo myself.
A bit of background before. I took a picture of my dog, and it shook it's head, my mum is in the beside her sitting on the couch, she'd just got out of hospital, she'd had Melanoma removed from her right arm two years previously and it had spread to her lymph nodes. So she'd just got out of hospital for having them removed, she died 4 months after this picture was taken, the cancer spread again and fast.
The weird thing about this photo was though, is that when I took it the dog shook her head and and I could see a face in it, all three of us, my SO at the time and my mum all agreed that the face was incredibly similar to the old lady who was sitting in the bed next to her in the hospital. She'd given her a pack of custard cream biscuits when she left. I've not posted it anywhere else, so here it is.
I don't have any other information about the old lady, don't know what happened to her.
http://imgur.com/4qH0RVt
Shmallowman ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 15:35:10 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I don't see any face. It's just a motion blur.
Anzai ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:45:03 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Can't see a face. Is that meant to be an eye just below the left ear there? And is she smiling? I can very vaguely make out something there but not really, and certainly not somebody that could be recognised. Or maybe I'm just not seeing what you mean.
thenoiseupmerchant ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:47:15 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, looks like a big smile to me. The right eye would be in the dog's right ear. All the features are really dark.
Anzai ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:22:01 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Okay, that is the one I could sort of make out. The mouth is a bit close to where the nose would be, but smiling in a sort of creepy way?
Don't want to be a party pooper, but it's quite a stretch.
Acceptable67 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:01:16 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I see it. It looks very freaky (smiling old lady) but it can be very simply explained by motion blur/a longer than normal exposure.
HairlessSasquatch ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:43:10 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
lol this is so dumb
saltnvinegar ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:14:11 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I see no ghost, but the motion blur did make a creapy looking skull right in the middle of the photo (with the eye sockets being on the dog's forhead).
NazzerDawk ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 15:59:09 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)*
So YOU saw a face, asked if people around you saw a face, they agreed, and the picture you have doesn't show a face, so your conclusion is that it's a ghost of some sort.
You know people don't mind lying about seeing supernatural shit when you say you saw something right? I remember lying about seeing a ghost at a birthday party through the window between my friend's living room and kitchen, having all of my friends say "Oh yeah, i see it too" and freak out about it.
The picture you took looks vaguely like a face, so maybe you caught a glimpse at a time when the dog's head shaking looked more like a face than this picture, because perhaps slightly before this exposure or slightly after the dog's head was at an angle that was more favorable to looking like a face, and your two other family members were lying for fun or just wanted to believe?
But no, ghost ladies is more likely than parodelia and self-delusion or boldface lying.
thenoiseupmerchant ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:10:44 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I've never shown anyone the picture without saying that there was something strange about it, or that I saw a face or at the very least asking them to look at it looking for a reaction. That's true, but for me it's difficult not to, it freaked me out at the time. I suppose I'd have to somehow test it on someone to see if they saw anything without me giving it them to look at.
Do I think I've got a picture of a ghost? I'd have to say no. For a start, the old lady might be fit as a fiddle. Is it strange to me? yes. Probably synchronicity on my part, it still creeps me out to this day.
taylorwel ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:42:53 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Look right at the dog's face. Not around it but right at it. There's a dark smile that's incredibly noticeable.
NazzerDawk ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:03:55 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah. And look at this:
:)
There's a pleasant smile that's immediately noticeable.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pareidolia
RaptorOnyx ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 17:51:16 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
You have no way to know what happened here. Its sad that you inmediately assume itsmin your own words, "parodelia and self-delusion or boldface lying". Sigh.
NazzerDawk ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:03:02 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I didn't assume it's those, though. I asked which one was more likely.
We have zero examples of ghosts. We have billions of examples of people lying, self-delusion, and parodelia.
Since we can't know the answer, it is best to rest on the BEST answer, not the one least likely to be true.
RaptorOnyx ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:09:23 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Fair enough. Still, you sounded like an asshole.
NazzerDawk ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:11:23 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, because I really can't stand people being uncritical about events, jumping to the supernatural before discounting the natural.
RaptorOnyx ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:19:37 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
And thats perfectly fine. I think that skepticism isnt bad, and you should jump to the most probable answer.Im just saying that you didnt sound particularly nice when talking about him.
LeSpanishRice ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 15:33:12 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Wha........what the frick man...
Iced_TeaFTW ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 00:05:39 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I saw the face, very weird.
BlueFamily ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:44:18 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
My dad was a police officer for 36 years. Early in his career he was on the scene of a fatal crash. A young (early 20's?) man had lost control of his car and hit a tree. He was killed when the car burst into flames. On scene they took pictures on 110 film to document the scene. It was in the early 70s. When the film was developed, clear as day over the car was the young man screaming in agony. It was not altered in any way. It looked like a double exposure, but there were no pictures of the young man alive, let alone with the terror expression on his face.
Florida_Diver ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:10:33 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Proof?
Ramblingcrickets ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:30:35 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah...op will not deliver.
BlueFamily ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 17:10:18 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Of course not, it's evidence from a fatal crash, they don't let you take that shit home
Ramblingcrickets ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 23:01:40 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
why mention it in the first place, Mr. Family.
BlueFamily ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:27:30 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
The question wasn't "show me" it was "what is." I can't fucking show you, but it's still the most convincing picture to me.
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Lord_Skellig ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 16:32:06 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
So edgy
FrZnaNmLs ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:30:20 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I know. I just changed everyone's fundamental view of the world.
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[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 18:49:50 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
The battle of L.A photo.
cnosko00 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:05:26 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
No link, no upvotes. Sorry, kiddo.
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http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Los_Angeles
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throwaway_fuckyou_x2 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:13:31 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
This was correctly debunked.
http://i.imgur.com/Py7ZI9i.jpg
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xb4r7x ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 15:11:49 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
It probably wasn't shopped... that looks an awful lot like smoke to me... and then your brain happens to notice a face in it... because your brain is very good at finding faces.
Amosral ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:52:56 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah pretty much. All the brains that weren't good at finding faces got eaten by fucking tigers hundreds of thousands of years ago.
Henry132 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:01:15 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Another case of simple pareidolia. There's lots of images of 9/11 smoke showing various shapes from demons to angels.
EDIT: Here's a video of some faces in the smoke
LostAtFrontOfLine ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:17:26 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I doubt it was shopped, but with the volume of people taking pictures from every angle on the ground over a period of time, you're bound to get something like this. Especially with the human tendency to faces in everything.
Example : )
It's two dots and a curve. There's no nose, but you can still tell it's clearly a face. You do the same thing with anything around you.
Edit: words
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LostAtFrontOfLine ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:18:17 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Sorry you for downvoted so much. Most people on reddit are aggressive anything superstitious even if they ask for it.
phaed ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:04:22 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Yea this is stupid.
Spurioun ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:05:29 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Why does it have to be a demon though?
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Super_Pie ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:44:48 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Every goddamn thread
timothygruich ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:51:25 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
:D
MentlegenBacon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:51:41 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I CAN NEVER ESCAPE IT.
timothygruich ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:27:20 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
haha... sorry. I had to. Here's this to cleanse your palette with
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Insightless ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 23:28:27 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I think you should reconsider your definition of paranormal.
taylorxo ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 23:53:50 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I don't think paranormal means what you think it means...
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hulzv ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:53:19 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
This picture was taken at an event I went to at Much Music in Toronto in 2008. You can see the figure of what looks like a man in a hat. (It was raining so it might be a trick of the lights but its still a little creepy).
http://imgur.com/a/u9kQg
quitpayload ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:03:44 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I don't see anything.
addrian27 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:38:03 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
what I see here seems to be a real closeup of an astronaut (see the visor)
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Ibeeleave ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:58:52 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Hear, hear.
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umpire11 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:49:55 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Because everyone knows, the covers will protect you from evil....
Insightless ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:41:58 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
It's the psychological comfort.
rapturingraptor ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:10:25 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Same thing happened to me. Saw a hand come up from behind my bed (I was sitting on the floor on the other side of my room) I ran like hell and got my mom. I wasn't the type of kid to fake something like this, and I was pretty grounded. She said I was pale and sweating and almost crying I was so afraid.
RedManStrat89 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:03:32 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Right.
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leeloospoops ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 15:37:11 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
It's interesting to read the lengths that people go through to try to rationalize these pictures. Oftentimes, the "rational" explanation is more contrived and far-fetched than the "supernatural" one...
Listen, we can tell ourselves that we understand everything, but we don't. These pictures are great not because there is a firm supernatural explanation for them, but because of the simple mystery.
BubbleBopper ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:33:18 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I read a story last night that interested me. Peaches Geldof (D? list English celebrity I guess). Anyway she took a selfie of herself and her son in the bath. In the photo there is a very real looking hand around her neck which is neither her own nor the babies. I'm sorry I'm on my phone and have no idea how to link photos etc but if you google "Peaches Geldof bath ghost" you will find the photo and story about research she has done on the history of her house. Queue people googling said event because it's a bath photo.
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Link
BubbleBopper ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:09:27 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Thank you oh kind one.
MontiBurns ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:33:41 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
sure, its flimsy, but how about the UFO that destroyed the Russian meteor
nakedjay ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:55:56 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
It's just burning up in the atmosphere, nothing to see here.
marvk ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:03:10 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah thats just pieces falling of the meteor due to reentry. The first piece looked like it was traveling towards it because of the perspective.
Ibeeleave ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:52:27 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
"There is a lot of extraordinary stuff out there that sometimes just can't be explained." If it can't be explained, then how can you possibly be certain that its supernatural? Too many people employ the "argument from ignorance" concerning unexplainable instances. If you don't know what it is or can't explain it, you don't then have the liberty to call it "supernatural" just because you can't conceive of a natural reason at the time. Also, for all the UFO nuts, remember what the "U" stands for.
Ramv36 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:11:55 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Very true. Do you know the outlines of every model of plane currently in use? No? Then the vast majority of the traffic you'll see at a major airport will be, definitionally, UFOs.
Also remember Law Three, that Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:53:42 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
In that case you should not be at liberty to dismiss the supernatural just because you assume, along with mainstream science, that it doesn't exist.
Not everyone who believes is as stupid as you seem to think.
Jakomus ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:26:45 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
You don't need to tell the UFO nuts. It's the sceptics that need to be made aware of what it stands for. Too often I have seen someone talk about a UFO and a sceptic says "it's likely this and not aliens" when aliens were never mentioned.
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I went out on a run a few months ago. There was this cool abandoned farm house that I wanted to check out for the longest time, so I diverted my run to go past it. I stopped and took a handful of pictures walking around the outside of the house. When I got home I was looking at the pictures and zoomed in on the first one I took (don't know what compelled me to do so). There was a face in the upstairs window. Absolutely no way someone was inside, it was boarded up and doors locked.
I can post a picture when work dies down. Edit : http://i.imgur.com/X1A8R2r.jpg As far zoomed on as I could go, gets a bit pixelated
balorina ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:44:14 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Seeing faces is a common 'bug' in the human mind, we even have a name for it
Mr___Manager ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 16:49:19 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I've gone over other pictures and trying to reason, what could it be? It's not a reflection, there's no continuation on the other labs. I also have pictures of clear reflections.
balorina ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:54:42 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
It's your mind wanting to see a face where a face doesn't exist. Look at the landmarks in the wiki article and you will quite clearly see faces. It's usually considered an evolutionary thing from when we are babies and the only recognition we have is of faces.
You can actually force it to happen, if you stare at something with random patterns in it (those floors with the pebble designs, decorative cielings) and will yourself to see something it will shortly appear out of the random patterns.
metans ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:32:23 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
can confirm: looking at my laptop's trackpad, i see a square headed canadian with no eyes
Mr___Manager ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:02:06 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I understand the phenomena, but what physical thing would cause me to see the face? A reflection of something? Dirt? if it's dirt why is it not consistent with the rest of the panes?
I wasn't seeking out any faces or bodies. I even went back through numerous pictures of other buildings and saw nothing like it.
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I was there when it was taken!
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:54:42 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Hell yeah! Did he have any good weed?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:04:22 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
He was more of a lightsabers and sheeps guy :C
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MisterBigStuff ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:42:32 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
What exactly is "paranormal" about this?
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The atomic structure of a molecule is so far removed from our everyday perception that it's essentially supernatural to be able to "see" it. And it's actually reflective of a real thing, unlike the pareidolia of other "supernatural" photographs with "ghosts" and things in them.
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I'm late to the party, but here's a photo of me and a friend. On the right side there appears to be a figure of a civil war soldier, and people have told me that they can see a child sitting on my lap (I'm pretty sure I just moved).
Edit: clarity.
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FearlessBurrito ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:33:59 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Not to mention human tendency to explain the unexplained. You're a primitive person that finds a dinosaur skull, you have no concept of extinction... bam, dragons.
BiggieBear ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 22:36:15 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
My dad was making dinner many years ago. At that time we had an old couple just across the street. Suddenly my dad felt something was wrong so he just left the food at the stove running over to that house and finds out that the man in the house had fallen of the roof, they were an old couple and the women just panicking while my dad called ambulance He can't explain why he did this it was just a feeling that something wasn't right.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:16:21 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
There are a few variations of this
BiggieBear ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:45:34 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah it is rare vut it is cool
ohyesjeff ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 18:04:45 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
This is me when I was younger: http://imgur.com/T2OLBc7
2SP00KY4ME ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:09:41 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
What am I supposed to be seeing?
ohyesjeff ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:19:01 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
the girl in the TV
2SP00KY4ME ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 22:45:37 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
So the TVs on.. What's supernatural about that?
Insightless ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:44:38 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
It looks like the reflection of someone taking your picture. There's even a flash spot right where it looks like her hand is.
droidiq1 ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 18:30:43 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Why nobody mentioned ghost car police chase?
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=G6UHLd_zxuo&desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DG6UHLd_zxuo
Forcesx ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:39:02 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Because this has been debunked. They showed that the fence stayed intact but still lifted up in order for the car to squeeze through
droidiq1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:08:29 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Care to provide the source ? I did the research couple of years ago and lifting the fence was the possible explanation not the fact.
Forcesx ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:55:19 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
It was debunked by SyFy channel's Fact or Faked. And I suppose you could say that this was just a possible explanation too. They just showed how the car could have drove under the fence enough to cause the fence to slide over the vehicle.
Davide48 ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 15:16:20 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Probably too late for anybody to see this but here is a picture my brother took on his camera phone (Back in like 2007) of his friend in their dorm room. It was just him and his friend in the room (One of the people in the picture wasn't in the room and he doesn't know who it is) and he has no idea why the picture is all weird and green.
the picture is here http://imgur.com/w32brM2"><img src="http://i.imgur.com/w32brM2.jpg
crazyxxxavier ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 16:04:27 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
TIL all supernatural photos are fake
Freeman720 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:22:54 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Well yeah, that's kind of a given.
Ultima2876 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:41:40 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
You needed to learn that today?
crazyxxxavier ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:09:54 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Didn't need to, just did
CentaurSpearman ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 16:47:13 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
This will probably get buried...
I'm surprised nobody's mentioned the World Trade Center devil face photos. The face on the left appears immediately after the second plane hit the second tower.
Also, while not strictly supernatural, this album cover which depicts the World Trade Centers being destroyed, it was supposed to be released in early September, 2001. Apparently it clearly shows one tower being hit near its top, and the other near the center, which actually happened.
These things were on the news like 12 years ago, of course people just explained them as "coincidences".
I've seen a lot of creepy looking supernatural photos and videos over the years, which might be difficult to fake, for example "I have the body of a pig".
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:04:16 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
The faces thing is strange, but if you consider that people search for faces in EVERYTHING (thus the things with faces meme) its not so strange. But ontop of that, nobody has ever seen the devil and lived to tell about it or paint about it, so thus we have no idea what he looks like whatsoever, so thats just a face with a pointed nose, could just as easily be anyone as opposed to the devil, not saying I know it all but faces of god or the devil in things is something that confuses me, how can we see something if we have no idea what its supposed to look like.
CentaurSpearman ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 17:35:04 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Well, for starters the face appears EXACTLY when the plane hits... it's like it's saying "here I am!", so the timing is odd - it was all caught on video.
Now I'm not saying it was the devil, meaning satan himself. But it could be a different demon or evil spirit or something. People said it was the "devil" but they're just saying that, they're not really saying they were sure it was the devil himself.
I'm a Christian, so I have no problems with believing that it is a demon. But that said, how do I know it's not just a bunch of smoke? I don't. It could be anything... but I think it's possible that it is a demon of some kind.
The thing is a lot of people can't admit that they don't know something. Rather than saying "I'm not sure", or "I don't know", they feel very uncomfortable when they don't know for sure, so they just make up a guess and then act as if they know for sure. People want to always feel like they know for sure, when in reality they don't. I don't know what it these things are for sure, and I'm happy to admit that :)
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:57:28 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I'm pretty sure its just smoke, but i wouldn't sit you down and convince you of it, A: that'd be an asshole move and B: I'm not 100% sure, I don't know everything.
If it was the devil or a demon, lets just say it is, what would it mean exactly? Would it mean thats the devil saying 'Some people did something evil today', or the devil saying 'Those Americans in the building are going to hell', that'd be an interesting discussion, I'm not saying its either, and I'm definitely not saying anything negative about the people inside those buildings. ( as a non American I imagine I can be a little hard headed here, as I don't feel it in the same way an American would, so I try to be careful on the subject).
Another interesting question would be, why there? The TT is not the worst terrorist attack in history (maybe I'm wrong), nor is it the largest case of innocent people being killed by some not to innocent people, but this said maybe that face appeared all over Poland during WWII at the concentration camps and nobody took a photo or notice it, thats a somewhat interesting thought.
It doesn't happen EXACTLY when the plan hits, its a second or so later, but it comes out the same time as all the other smoke does, I mean seeing the face at that moment wouldn't be any stranger than seeing i 20 seconds or 2 hours later, though it would be odd to see it BEFORE the hit.
Though I still stand by my question of 'What makes you think the devil or a demon has a face like you expect?', I'm not denying the existence of those things, but why would they look like US? Nobody's ever seen any of them, they could all have goat faces or they could be similar to how the Grim Reaper is depicted as having no face whatsoever, just darkness.
Either way I'm glad this is a discussion and not an argument, I'm open minded and so are you, reddit conversations so easily turn into rage commenting.
CentaurSpearman ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:28:35 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, I try to talk without becoming argumentative or belligerent, it's better that way :).
My dad, when he first saw that (he's a Christian too) said that basically, when destruction or death happens, demons become excited. Basically, his theory was the demon became overjoyed by the destruction, and in his excitement he decided to show himself.
I've heard that when terrorists in US prisons saw the trade centers being destroyed, they started cheering and yelling and rejoicing, so it's like that.
My guess is complicated, it's like this: 1. The demon is showing his face to show off; he wanted people to know that HE was responsible for this, like he was saying, "Look at how powerful I am!" 2. He was in the plane before it hit, when it hit he controlled the smoke to make the face. 3. The reason why he was in the plane was he was with the terrorist pilot. Not just then, but all along. He was with the pilot since the beginning, and at the end, he showed his face, similar to how people show their names in the credits of a movie; he's doing it to get recognition, street cred, etc.
I've heard other similar things, for example a police officer said he would sometimes see a demon show up at scenes of violent deaths, it's like they show themselves when they are happy.
Also, regarding your question about what they look like, I've actually seen a demon, it looked like a little man made out of shadow, running towards me. I've posted it on Reddit under a different account, maybe like 2 years ago. I've forgotten what the account name is, but I can retell the story here if you'd like.
Also, many people have seen them and say they look like creepy looking people. According to the bible, demons are fallen angels, and in the bible angels usually look like people, like young men.
Of course, I could be wrong, that's the thing about life, there is always uncertainty.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:08:14 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Your dads theory would make sense, if demons exist then I would imagine they'd be pleased at destruction etc, thats how they're spoken about in the bible, witchdoctor stories and other such things.
The terrorists in prisons thing I'm unsure on, the chances of them being allowed to watch TV at that exact moment intime is pretty small, no doubt some did cheer when they heard it, I imagine it was later on.
The demon showing himself off ties in nicely with the concept that demons are arrogant, greedy, malicious etc etc.
The demon you saw, yes I'd love to read about that experience.
Many people have seen something, they presume its a demon, it could also be an angel, an angel coming down after a violent death wouldn't be weird in my opinion, to show humans that its not all bad, but also to put the soul of the deceased to rest etc.
Demons are fallen angles, however the idea that angels look like people, is something I don't personally agree with, why would they, I get that the idea is god created us in his image, this I'm fine with, but why would angels have our image also?
I also don't agree with the idea that god, angels, demons etc act like people, hear me out for a moment please. Now humans have faults, humans are fallible, humans feel greed, lust etc etc, things that god and angels cannot feel and thus would not understand (i imagine), god is god, he isn't subject to the same things as us, why would he be angry, hurt, cruel or nice, I believe if he exists he's something that we cannot fathom, something so different from us, we spent all of history attributing god with emotions that make him more human to use, more relatable, for me thats strange, he's a god, why should we attempt to relate to him, it something far above what we can comprehend.
I'm not a Christian, but I have my own set of views that probably are the same as yours in some aspects but different in others, but I feel that the way people humanize god(s) is inherently wrong, it goes against the concept of a god as we would normally describe it.
CentaurSpearman ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:19:00 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Well, I'll try to answer these as best as I can - first, my experience:
So it was in 2007, in the Autumn, probably August or September. I live in Houston so you can kind of tell it's autumn by the weather, but it's not really very cold. And it was sunny outside, and I was feeling normal, and walking from the back of my house to my garage (don't remember what for), and I was going through my kitchen to get to the garage, when suddenly I felt something, it felt like a brush was rubbing on the back of my neck. It felt kind of cool, like someone was brushing my neck or something, so I felt a little relaxed at first. But then, this feeling of ... stress or anxiety seemed to come over me, and on the back of me I felt like something was creepy behind me. So I turned around, and I saw a little man running towards me, he looked like a dark brown shadow, he was small like a kid, and he ran right up to me and disappeared. So I was obviously in shock, I was looking around, I opened the door to the garage (and the garage door was opened at the time), but he wasn't there, I didn't know why he was there, where he went, or what he did to me. I wanted to see if maybe he had gone inside of me, so I did some things to see if I felt odd or was acting weird, but I was more or less normal. So I thought he probably jumped over me or went up into the ceiling, to avoid hitting me, as I didn't feel him touch me or anything.
After that, I started pacing around in my house, trying to decide what to do, and I paced to the back of the house, and then walked back to the kitchen, and I heard my sister say "you guys you guys!" and so I went into her room, and I turned on the light, and she was lying on her bed with her eyes opened, and her eyes looked odd, like she was afraid or unsettled or something. My other sister also came and said "what's the matter? did you have a nightmare?" But my little sister who was lying on the bed didn't say anything.
I think that it was a demon, who basically came and bothered me, and my sister, and then left, not doing anything else. I've never seen him (it) again, so I feel like it was basically just being random, not really wanting to stay around or do anything major.
When it comes to angels and demons acting like people, well obviously they don't, in fact you almost never see them, they're invisible and quiet all the time, like they don't make a fuss or make lots of noise. Most of what I believe about them comes from the bible, for example the bible says the following about angels:
And more. Basically, they look like people, because the appearance of people is awesome; if you look at a person, you can see what they are doing, what their emotions are, and so on. If you think about it, what else would God LOOK like? Like a ball of light? But balls of light are not able to convey emotion. Like some kind of giant titan or monster? But that's too clunky, it's hard for people to relate to. Like a sky, or like a cloud? Actually God does show up as a cloud in the bible.
The bible makes it very clear though that God's thoughts are higher than ours, "For as the heavens are higher than the earth, So are My ways higher than your ways, And My thoughts than your thoughts." (Isaiah 55:9) and more verses, for example the bible says that God is eternal, for example "Before the mountains were brought forth, or ever you had formed the earth and the world, from everlasting to everlasting you are God". But at the same time, people are like God, their bodies have power to do all kinds of things, so many things, while animals' bodies are more limited and specific. Humans are very balanced, able to think well and to act well, while animals are more specialized in what they can do.
Angels are basically like bodiless people with much stronger, smarter minds.
Sorry if I'm writing a lot, I like to explain things as clearly as they can be explained...
And about demons: 1. They were once angels, for example satan was an angel who was once "the seal of perfection, full of wisdom and perfect in beauty." but because of his arrogance he began to hate God, and wanted to take over the place of God. 2. They are bound in "chains of darkness" - it's like their own stupidity and arrogance keeps them down 3. They tempt people to sin, they blind the eyes those who are on the way to hell, and so on 4. Basically the bible says that God is love, and demons who hate God rejoice in doing evil and hating people, like they get sadistic pleasure from causing harm and destruction
The thing about relating to God is that God is a teacher, and teaches people how to behave, what is right and what is wrong, how to do well in life. The idea is that by listening to God's words understanding them, people would be better off. The idea is that we don't know it all, and we can always learn more. For example, Jesus' example of self-sacrifice, hard work, and right living basically is like a role model to us. He certainly was an amazing person, had to teach himself how to read, his dad died at some point so he had to take care of his family, he was born in rural Israel but somehow able to become a master of theology by the age of 30, and in only three years he completely altered the course of earth's history. The idea is that God wants to relate to us, like if you made some creatures, you'd want to be nice to them, help them grow, hang out with them, and so on. Basically while God is so much higher and better and smarter than us, he humbles himself so that he can help us, that's basically all I got to say about that.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:22:32 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
That was a good answer, thankyou, as for your demon encounter, that is certainly strange.
I'm still not completely sold on the idea of god, because I don't see why the bible is any more correct than any of the thousands of religions before it, or any of the other hundreds of religions that still exist now, but if he does exist for me its unrelated to the bible. The bible as we know it is written by man, edited by man and has, at points in history, been used as a weapon by man.
If the bible was written by god through man, as some parts are said to be, then why aren't those the only parts that people follow? Those would be the god given truth (excuse the phrase), and what of the parts that we know have been edited out through history, they've been edited out because someone did not agree with them personally or did not believe they were from god himself (I'm speculating here, I don't claim to know the answer). Why, if at all possible of course, do people not try to get the full bible, 100% everything from it, including the missing pages (assuming it would be possible to obtain those), this is more of a what if scenario as opposed to it actually happening. Not to compare the bible to other literature, but if I were to read a book that still made sense to me, but I knew it wasn't everything, I'd want to know what those missing pieces were.
The whole things gotten a little off-topic but its a good discussion nonetheless, its a far cry from the standard 'religious person attacks atheist, atheist attacks religion' that so often rears its ugly head, people don't get anywhere by fighting all the time.
TLDR: The idea of God as an entity I cannot say 100% is not real, however the bible I do not agree with.
CentaurSpearman ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:46:13 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, it was certainly nice talking to you and hearing things from your point of view, it was enjoyable for me :). I'm not really an expert on how the bible was written and edited over the centuries, although I know it can be traced back quite well because of all the copies that were made. It is something I'd like to learn more about, if I have the time. My idea is that God says what he wants to say through the bible, and parts which were edited out (for example the Gospel of Peter, it's interesting to read) are nice, but God didn't really need them to be there so he allowed them to be removed. As for it being more correct than other religions, it certainly has more people involved in its writing, and more time was spent, for example Islam has only one guy (Mohammed), Buddhism one guy (Buddha), etc. but the Bible was written by very many over thousands of years, some of whom are reported to have performed miracles, which if the reports are true then the miracles would give them credence.
I'm getting kinda tired of writing, but if you have any more to discuss I'll respond :) It was nice talking to you guy :)
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:07:29 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah a lot of it is opinion based, and belief based. I don't know about god allowing things to be removed, I think the beauty of mankind is that we have free will, and that freewill can be used for good or bad. I don't think god allowed the changing of the bible anymore than he wanted hitler to kill jewish people, or 9/11 to happen, I think its more of a case that he just doesn't interfere in humanity, because that would undo all the work he's put into it.
Numbers wise, yeah its huge, age wise, the bible isn't very old in comparison to say Shintoism or Buddhism, or even Hinduism, Christianity is more or less as old as Islam (I personally believe some of the texts are shared, as plenty of the same events happen, in the same order), plenty of Buddahs disciples and people throughout Hinduism performed miracles too, Buddhism isn't one guy though, its a bunch of guys, Buddah had disciples just as Christ did, Buddah would be similar to god I suppose,on a comparative holyness scale in each religion I mean (not saying buddah is the same thing as god).
I'm not sure if miracles would give them credence, for example theres a well known English Magician called Dynamo, he fed thousands of children from a single tiny bucket of fish, he also walked on water on the Thames. Now I of course knows thats all trickery 100%, after all he is a magician, but people during that time period weren't very smart, anyone with an extra bit of knowledge would theoretically perform miracles. This said, I do believe if Christ existed that his miracles were based on something true but were greatly exaggerated. Similar to Noahs Ark, there was a flood in a valley, but there wasn't a global floor during the time of man, but to Noah, that valley was the world, he knew no differently, so him saying 'the world flooded' isn't a lie, its simply the way he saw it.
Anyway, I'm also tired of writing, but it was nice to discuss, and hearing things from your perspective was interesting, especially the angels and demons in human form bits, its something I always wondered about but I haven't read the bible in almost 20 years now, so I've forgotten the majority of it.
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Sbzxvc ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 17:48:08 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Somebody, please tell me what the hell these are. These are videos of the same phenomena.
UFO flying over China 2010
UFO Wormhole Kazakhstan
UFO Wormhole Japan 2011
Spiral UFO in Iraq 2012
UFO in Russia 2008
UFO exits wormhole Greece 2011
UFO Wormhole Mexico 2009
UFO Wormhole Russia Christmas 2012
Frameskip ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:51:19 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Looks like rocket and missile launches as they exceed an elevation where clouds can form. All of those locations are very close to Russia, China and the US.
PegasusPoop ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 17:50:33 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
http://imgur.com/76vBSlC
ObligatoryPokemonRef ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 19:29:10 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=At4HgxwAfzQ
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:35:34 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
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ObligatoryPokemonRef ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:43:13 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Oops sorry must have missed the tag.
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ZombieJack ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 14:58:57 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
That isn't supernatural...
bobyd ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:59:19 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
It's a reflex, totally normal. Don't see what is supernatural about it.
hansl0l ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:59:45 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
this is just a natural reflex babies have, no doubt even though the baby wasnt born yet this still could happen
EventHorizon5 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:00:38 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Not supernatural, but it is amazing.
iluvtsundere ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:55:38 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
wtf...
DolphinDive ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:22:54 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
IT'S SUPERNATURAL Y'ALL!!
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:59:17 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
How is this supernatural?
xb4r7x ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:12:17 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
What is paranormal about that?
fleegay ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:23:07 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Exactly what is supernatural about this?
NationYell ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 15:24:21 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Life in all shapes and sizes is supernatural.
fleegay ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:27:21 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
No actually its quite natural. Natural enough to occur billions of times over the last couple thousands of years.
Here is the definition of supernatural: attributed to some force beyond scientific understanding or the laws of nature
Rider_of_Tiny_Horses ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:31:32 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
No. Babies are ghost.
fleegay ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:51:23 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Haha according to this guy
VirtusTentamineGaude ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 14:55:25 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Came here to post this. I listened to the photographer give a talk once, and it was incredible. The story/picture still give me chills every time I think about them.
Neveren ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:02:59 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Id really like to read that story do you remember where you found it ? :)
nujabes4 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 14:55:49 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
O.o thats enough reddit for me
brubek_ ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 14:59:18 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
how?
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:01:41 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Pretty sure your comment is gonna get deleted, but really nice pic.
Pepperyfish ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:02:30 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
that isn't supernatural.
whitneythegreat ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:05:45 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
What is supernatural about this?
NationYell ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 15:07:10 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Life is supernatural in all shapes and forms. So in my opinion this is something that is supernatural.
thatoneguy172 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:09:02 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I would say that this is not supernatural at all, but that a baby responded to someone touching his hand.
CheekyMunky ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:09:19 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Um... what part of this is supernatural?
jetpacksforall ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:12:33 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Amazing picture, but there's nothing supernatural about it.
Palmar reflex.
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[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:14:36 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Boy, you sure do know everything
Rider_of_Tiny_Horses ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 15:28:18 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Is your tinfoil hat on a bit tight today?
curtbag ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:30:46 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
You must be a hit at parties
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BitchWidget ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:42:36 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I couldn't watch the whole thing. I might try it with the sound off.
mammalist ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 13:27:31 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I'm fairly certain this was shown to be a hoax... Can't find the link right now.
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OneBraveTeemo ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 15:02:59 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Seriously, fuck you so bad. 2am here in Australia I quite literally jumped out of my seat.
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[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:14:08 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
That shit from R/WTF last night. Let me go dig up the link. Here it is http://www.reddit.com/r/WTF/comments/1stgmu/just_a_routine_drain_inspection_with_a_remote/
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:38:37 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
This was a prank you know?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:56:30 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I do now.
Devil_Demize ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:37:58 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Looks fake
ShotgunsnTulips ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:15:48 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i3h-F0lars4
lfcitz ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:26:29 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I have my doubts on this one but it's creepy as fuck.
Pantry Ghost...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EzZI16Z13dw&feature=youtube_gdata_player
SpaceBovine ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:31:16 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
You should have doubts. Many doubts.
http://youtu.be/m_aJHoLFUPE?t=1m12s
spdrstar ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:30:35 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
The beginning of Thrive and the proof on their site is the most believable proof of the supernatural I know.
Jaereth ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:01:00 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
That video's 2 hours long. What's the short version?
spdrstar ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:49:54 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
It is a short description of a bunch of things. The part I'm referring too is just the first 15 or so minutes.
psufan5 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:05:20 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
This looks like a cult video.
whatWHYok ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:31:11 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Not photo but video, but this video of a supposed boy "ghost" in a Savannah, GA graveyard.
ssjaken ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:37:45 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
If you can find it the documentary the ghost hunter dbags did before they had their show had some really convincing footage at the end in tbe hotel. Its what got them their show.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:41:58 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
This image from STS-61c taken from Space Shuttle Columbia.
The description states space debris but still... it makes me wonder.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:44:22 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Can't remember the name of the video, but there's one of some people out camping or hunting. No sound in the video and at one point it seems like they're out looking for something and come across an animal that at first glance looks like a bear except it seems like it's head and torso are changing shape and then they get attacked by it. Wish I could remember the name for it. Supposed to be a werewolf siting.
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Netprincess ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:01:01 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Ball lightening? ( marfa lights)
TampexLicker ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:04:50 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
The Naga Lights and a more recent one
Occurred numerous times and continues to do so. Lights or specifically balls of light fire up from the Mekong river. Locals believe that it is the work of the naga that dwells beneath the river, some believe that it is the work bored teenagers shooting fireworks or things similar and scientists say that its flammable gas or wat evs.
I don't buy any of it becuase we all know it that it's actually the work of cthulu.
haberstachery ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:52:47 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I like the Library ghost - Grey Lady here
daboobiesnatcher ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:54:22 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Don't have a picture of it but my friend in high school had a glowing orb that wandered his cul de sac and the area around it. The guy I was friends with said it was the ghost of a girl who got hit by a car around the corner a few years prior.
It changed speed and height. I don't know what it was but it was very unsettling and by that I mean I was petrified with fear, my friend wanted to go out to it, I begged him to stay inside.
Can anyone try to explain this?
Merari01 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:06:13 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Ball lightning A currently not completely understood form of behaviour for an electric field. Scientists are able to produce visual effects similar to it in a laboratory, but since the natural phenomenon is not well understood it is unknow wether what they do is make actual ball lightning or something that just looks like it.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:01:07 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I wish I still had these photos, but anonymous internet person (me) has seen a picture my friend's aunt took in Lourdes, France, where you can clearly see the outline of a veiled woman in white peeking out from the side of a statue of Mary. My family had them for several years but they got lost, I brought them into school and everything. There were also close up pictures of the statue that looked not at all like the marble they were made from, but like a human's pink face. Crazy stuff. Day to day life encourages me that there are supernatural powers, because its just too fakkin weird to me.
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GoldenRhinos ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:32:12 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
That's been debunked as being the photographers wife. The periphery of the viewer only allowed the take to see a portion of the entire image and so it was deemed that he didn't see her at the time.
Jo_n64 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:57:30 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
sorry to sound ignorant but how could it be his wife? And why was she in a space suit??
GoldenRhinos ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:00:47 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not sure about the details. If you google it, I'm sure you'll find the story. I just remember hearing that explanation when this was brought up in a similar thread a few months ago.
Edit: Here's an explanation http://debunkedmyth.blogspot.co.uk/2013/07/the-solway-firth-spaceman.html
SQUELCH_PARTY ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:12:07 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
This video may not be very convincing.
But the final clip... Holy shit.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:22:38 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
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sixteenOfive ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:41:36 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
rocket!
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:52:57 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
It's a rocket. The trail you are seeing are ice crystals in the upper atmosphere reflecting the sun and that smaller object is the second stage detachment of the boosters. It's really cool to see when this happens.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:23:12 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I once caught a picture of what appeared to be the face of a man who died at my uncles house, I had a horrible nightmare that night and deleted the picture the next day with the advice of my uncle and had no more nightmares relating to the picture anymore. It was probably one of the most frightening memories I have.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:32:54 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
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killhimalready ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:38:33 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I see nothing in this picture.
Flekken ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:47:55 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I can't recognize anything on the pic, but good try. And this sentence:
I had a good laugh. Thanks.
CooperCarr ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:46:55 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
The video of the ufo hovering over the dome of the rock. It suddenly takes off with amazing speed.
aphostis ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:14:57 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
My own photography. I used to hang out in graveyards and take photos with a disposable camera, put the prints through a scanner and use them as web images. Some of the prints came out with white mist which wasn't there when I took the photograph. It is hard to describe but it was like a fingery, flowing mist. Where are the photos now? I accidently threw them away along with a third of my possessions in a big spring clean a few years ago. Oh well.
Miroxas ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:15:17 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
The Patterson video. No one else seems to have noticed something that I did. I've seen many experts analyze it on various shows and documentaries, yet not one caught something important. Looks closely. The creature is female. It has breasts.
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=IJjUt2sXo5o&desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DIJjUt2sXo5o
3amfright ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:21:59 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
That's actually one of the top arguments in the Patterson/Gimlin film. The reason most documentaries don't include it is because it, like everything else, is debated by the clarity of the video. Still, it is argued about with the obvious question being "Why, if it's a man in a suit, make the gender female?".
asloth4biscuit ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:41:35 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Super late to the party, but The scene from the movie "Three Men and a Baby" the boy in the window?? I own the movie and it certainly doesn't look fake to me.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IfeL-YqxUsM at 0:42, the window to the left.
UnderwaterPianos ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:45:34 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
It's a cardboard cutout dude
asloth4biscuit ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:54:33 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
psh! believe what you want but I doubt they had that kind of humor in the 90s
asherred ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:59:51 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_-agl0pOQfs
skinnymidwest ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:29:06 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I live in Indiana, about 50 miles from this place. The Pink Lady of Greencastle.....really creepy.....http://paranormal.about.com/od/ghostphotos/ig/Best-Ghost-Photos/The-Pink-Lady-of-Greencastle-picture.htm
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:31:58 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I really don't believe in the super natural, I think there is a logical scientific explanation for a lot of things that may be caught on film.. but I always liked this video of two very southern (redneck) folks filming what they think are ghosts in the trees in Gettysburg. It's amusing. A lot of times the little light flickers are from light bugs.. and sometimes the moonlight and trees and wind moving a certain way can cause distortion in the distance to look like something is moving. Anyway here is the old youtube vid of it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h-orDWIkr-M
Noisyfoxx ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 22:36:37 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
The various incidents where people (pilots most of the time) reported the sight of an UFO and disappeared afterwards.
Even though there are many ways to get a logical reasoning behind them its still strange.
Why for gods sake would varios planes just dissappear. One of them even transported a nuclear warhead to Marocco and it couldnt be located, not even a crash site was found. Even after a long search and extensive search nothing. At least in terms of the official report.
Maybe there are logical answers for all of these but its still interesting and at least mysterious.
robeph ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 22:55:16 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
[This is a photo] I took at a cemetery nearby, It could be seen in the original image, which I no longer have as I only hosted the one where I'd stuck the filter over it. Looking into it with a flashlight, which we did, there was not anything that'd have made this (we didn't see it until later)
thanks100 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 23:34:07 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I don't have the picture, but one of my professors showed the class a photo he took a few years earlier on a mission trip(i don't remember where, maybe Papua New Guinea). It was taken during some type of pagan/occult festival. A guy was standing on a burning pyre, almost like he was being burned at the stake, except he wasn't. Neither was his grass skirt. He was dancing in the flames completely unharmed. Is it irrefutable? No. Nothing is. But it was the strongest photographic evidence for the supernatural I've ever seen.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 23:54:06 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Whatever the hell this is, I saw a gif of it once but never a source, anyone have any info on this? http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread669216/pg1
joshuagrah4m ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:37:09 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
IIRC it was for a film class or something similar. Granted I read it on tumblr so take it with a grain of salt
Tardar_Sauce ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 00:16:03 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
The Harville House
I took this on Halloween when we went to a few haunted places around town. This is the Harville House, where it is said that two old ladies passed away here and no one knew about it. You can see a face-like thing in between the two columns just above the floor board in the left. It's the only convincing thing I've seen
rejoventud ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:05:31 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I don't see anything.
Tardar_Sauce ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 04:26:55 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
It's right above the brick part in between the two columns. You can make out two eyes and a mouth. Nothing too extreme though
emperor000 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 00:33:38 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pareidolia
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[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 01:36:12 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
http://youtu.be/sY5b5mWkmG0 Mount Adams in Washington State. This UFO phenomena has much video, many pictures. Enjoy.
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prosummobono ยท -6 points ยท Posted at 15:07:02 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
This video of a supposedly real sighting of a mermaid. Yes, this was shown in the supposedly made-up documentary on the Discovery Channel about mermaids but this footage just seems more real than the one with two kids finding a mermaid that washed ashore.
montani304 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 15:44:20 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
They could've hired better actors and it would be more believable.
prosummobono ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:53:27 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah I could see why their conversation would seem a bit off, but I guess I just really want to believe that mermaids exist.
Anzai ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:59:35 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Why exactly would you want to believe that? I mean, why would a fish evolve a mammalian upper body? Why would a mermaid need breasts if she lays eggs and gives birth to thousands of guppies?
just_drea ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:27:12 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Because Disney, that's why damnit!
Anzai ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:39:57 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I prefer this interpretation.
prosummobono ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:12:03 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
It doesn't have to be fish evolving a mammalian upper body. It can be the other way around, which is still just a theory.
Anzai ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:45:54 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
It's the half and half thing that makes no sense though. That would be like a mammal that lays eggs and has, I don't know the face of a bird like a duck and the tail of a mammal like a beaver and was poisonous as well or something. Just wouldn't happen.
Anzai ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:57:29 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
That is some shocking acting right there. They're talking like people who want to sound like they're not improvising a loose script (point out the seal, have doubts, freak out), but are just really damn bad at it.
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CohibaVancouver ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:51:21 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
There are no such things as 'supernatural occurrences' so how can there be pictures of them? If there was such a thing - An irrefutable picture of something supernatural it would be the front page of every news outlet in the world, not buried on a subreddit.
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CherryDarling10 ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 16:26:41 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I don't believe in the supernatural. But I stumbled upon this a few years back. It's the first thing I ever saw that made me stop and question reality. Filmed in 1928.
http://youtu.be/Gj3qesTjOE8
goldsoundzz ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:33:22 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
It took me a while to figure out what was going on here. My mind went "oh, it's just someone talking on the phone... big deal."
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i_am_omega ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 20:57:21 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Posted this picture in /r/paranormal a long time ago, but no one ever really looked at it. Perhaps someone would take a look and tell me what they think? http://i.imgur.com/0Cs5E.jpg
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:55:39 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
It is from smudges on your door.
ketwenty ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:41:06 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
What are we meant to be seeing? Nothing looks out of the ordinary to me.
i_am_omega ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:44:29 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
The face in the closet door. The first picture is the original and last is with the face I saw traced in Paint.
ketwenty ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:03:28 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Oops! I didn't scroll down!
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:50:19 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I think it's a coincidence.
emperor000 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:18:58 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pareidolia
Freducated ยท -7 points ยท Posted at 14:54:08 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)*
Not supernatural, but a UFO video at World Trade Center in 2008 (I think). This is NOT a 9/11 conspiracy video. Not sure what to think but there's a contrail behind the object and I've never seen an explanation. I can't find the original, but here's 2 Japanese versions.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xwgPRnol5yg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xwgPRnol5yg
EDIT: UFO as in the true sense of the acronym. Not alien.
jeepgun ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 15:09:52 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Those were promo vids for the SyFy channel.
marmz111 ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 15:04:21 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Wasn't this an advertisement?
3Goggler ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:15:38 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
That looks really fake.
MelodiousFunk ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:22:13 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
this is an advert for the scifi channel, well known to be
Freducated ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:45:22 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Oh ok thanks. I've never seen it other than on Youtube.
dancing_raptor_jesus ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:20:30 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Woah... that is pretty cool. However I do have one qualm with that video.
Between the ship zooming away and the ship heading straight up there seems some sliding inbetween the shots. By this I mean that the ship seems far away then slides closer when the camera is temporarily focused inside the cabin, which could indicate bad camera matchmoving/tracking, like this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tR2MBY_YkiE
My guess, faked.
Vinto47 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:51:32 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
There was a video from Mexico with a UFO that did the exact same thing.
okpaintballer42 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:18:17 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
2008? wat.
polyguo ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 15:55:10 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Not a picture, but mathematics. It is supernatural in the sense that it exists beyond "nature", as in mathematics are not a natural (physics based) phenomenon, but natural phenomena are mathematical. One could argue that nature is the "default stuff" of reality, beyond the physical laws of our particular universe, in which case my argument falls on it's face. It is also paranormal in that it cannot be "explained" by science. Whence do mathematics come? Yes, I am a mathematical platonist.
Netprincess ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:58:56 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Perfect.
Kowzorz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:28:00 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Are words supernatural in this sense? Thoughts? Stories? Nature mirrors math because math mirrors nature. Math is just some arbitrary system we thought up to approximate and record various happenings and has paradoxes all the time even though it can still model reality.
polyguo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:59:49 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
No they are not. Do not confuse mathematics with the symbols used to represent them. Mathematics are true unto themselves, without our intervention. We discover mathematical theorems but we invent stories and thoughts. We did not invent math; maths were discovered by many different civilizations and I imagine if there are any other civilizations in the universe, they too will discover mathematics; the discoveries of mathematics are universal and hold throughout the cosmos.
Kowzorz ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:45:34 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
So were the archetypes of characters and stories. Wholly separate mythologies share it. How does math stand out from stories in that regard?
Mathematics is only accurate to reality because reality is the way it is. If reality was a different way, so would the maths we would invent to approximate that reality. If the math depends on nature to have a form, then it is itself natural, like anything else that humans create.
Are shapes supernatural like you say math is? Ideals?
And what about discoveries in things that we've made? We make character A and then character B and give each of them qualities on a whim. We can then discover how A and B would interact based on their personalities. We discover a solution to a problem. Is that solution supernatural?
Is something mathematical just because it behaves a way that can be modeled by math? Bubbles form circles. Did it do the calculations to figure out how big it should be? Or was it just a result of other processes which are a result of other processes, etc? Is something "running" the math of the universe, making that math supernatural, or is the universe itself entirely just math, making math natural in every way?
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Fonzai ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 16:13:10 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I'm a little late to the party so hopefully this doesn't stay berried. Anyways, my friend has three Polaroids her Grandma took back in '83. I have seen these in person and they are indeed very creepy. The first picture is of the Christmas tree they just finished setting up. The second picture is when they turned the lights on for the first time, but the image was a bit blurry. The third picture is the attempt to get a better picture with the lights on, but instead they got a crazy picture with the lights streaking all over. The really weird part is in the upper left corner of the third picture there is a streak that upon further inspection reveals what looks like a woman's face being repeated in a film type fashion. As these are Polaroids I have no idea how this could be faked.
Sorry for the poor quality of the pictures.
http://imgur.com/a/qNwpe
Ultima2876 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:40:20 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
It looks like they tried to take a picture, and failed.
[deleted] ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 21:32:26 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
This convinced me to convert to Catholicism. You may not believe in this kind of thing, but it is worth reading into. Post said "your opinion" anyway... It's called the Eucharistic miracle of Lanciano, Italy. Test done on the flesh say it is from the heart, and that the cells are still living.
beatyourkids ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:10:33 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
can you explain a little more? i read the wiki but didn't understand it
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:17:32 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
the account is that a priest was consecrating this host during Mass and it turned instantly into this fleshy substance, and was bleeding as well I think...anyway long story short, they ran a bunch of tests on it and all the examiners concluded it must me cardiac tissue (from the heart)...it was sent later to one more scientist a few years later who announced in disbelief that the flesh was in fact still living. It is venerated at a pilgrimage site today in Italy.
Drapetomania ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:52:45 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
people will buy anything
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:18:19 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Multitudes of medical examiners will confirm anything...
Chase74 ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 16:16:50 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Probably the little boy from the movie Three Men and a Baby. Not sure if it's been debunked, but definitely creepy.
http://i.imgur.com/vpZZxK3.jpg
NorCalWingNut ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 16:19:29 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, debunked. Its actually a cardboad movie prop of Ted Danson accidentally left on set. That use to freak me out as a kid though.
MadmanPoet ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 15:29:48 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
A few years ago I came across a vid on YouTube about an apparent time traveler caught on film in the extra features of a Charlie Chaplin movie. Here is a still from it
And here is the vid.
For the lazy: a man in clothes that are a bit unusual (suggesting that they are a costume from someone who is trying a little too hard to fit in) walks through the frame. He appears to be talking on a cell-phone. The film was made in 1928.
RedManStrat89 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:40:35 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
She's a troll time traveler, who decides to travel back to the set of a movie and call her mother, a fan of Charlie Chaplin, just at the right moment.
Thunder_Jesus ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:14:00 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I saw this explained, it appears the person is using a hearing aid-type device common at the time that is basically a phonograph horn one sticks into their ear. Still not clear who they're talking to, though
MadmanPoet ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:20:19 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Satan.
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ttblue ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:35:19 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Well, fifty years from now, you might be able to. There's also the question of who he's talking to. A fellow time traveler?
There's no saying the dude was from our ages.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:35:41 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
If he's from the future then he might not need a cell tower to use it.
RockFourFour ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:47:52 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
It's a freaking time traveler and you're worried about their data connection?
MadmanPoet ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:47:28 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
How can you travel back in time? We're talking about a theoretical scientifically advanced people. Hell, 50 years ago the question would have been "How can you talk on a phone that doesn't have a wire attached to the wall?"
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MadmanPoet ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:50:23 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Because only assholes talk on headsets when they are out in public.
LeSpanishRice ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:38:03 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Universal service, one of the many privileges when traveling with a time lord.
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MadmanPoet ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:57:11 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Oh, well that makes sense. You know how women are always on their phones, 60 years before they were invented.
HybridCSGO ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 15:36:10 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Funny thing here is that i can't find any "extraordinary" thing without being told where it is.
But I do have a little story to tell Ok so to start this off, just to point out I live on the back of a cemetery (100 meters or so)
As a kid we you to go in there to get conkers from the trees. Obviously it was only open to the public for so many hours a day, something like 7am to 5pm in the summer, and 8am to 4pm in the winter.
Now that said it was about 3:30 (30 mins from closing) a few of my mates were with me and we hid from the guard who locks up. He come and went. (We was inside past the public hours)
So we was all the way at the back of the cemetery, and we did some ninja shit trying not to get seen and someone ringing the police, we get about half way to the gates, and see a "old man" in a long navy parka of some sort. He didn't say anything to us. We watched him for about 2 minutes He didn't really do much other than work around.. He started walking to the gates to we followed him, about 100 yards away from the gates there is a smaller part to the cemetery (for the cremated I guess) He went in there and we never seem him again.
By this time is was like 1 hour past public hours, and getting pretty dark. So we made a quick exit via a bush at the back.
hghost ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 15:54:02 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
http://imgur.com/FJsO78Q here's a picture I took at work. There's a shadow of someone standing on the middle of the bridge. If you zoom in you can see the plants behind him. Since that picture was taken I don't go into that area when its dark.
jcraig15 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:06:00 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
as soon as i started squinting i noped right on outta that one.
hghost ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:14:45 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah someone wanted me to take a shortcut through there last night. I said nope and walked the long way around.
valhallaswyrdo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:24:32 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I don't see anything is there anyway you can circle the person or whatever it is please?
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 15:55:12 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
My dad has some really fucking weird pictures. They are of people he knew, and they took the picture with tons of orbs in it, and yeah many orbs come come from other light sources, but these you can tell are not normal...I'll try and find it.
throwaway_fuckyou_x2 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:17:21 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Don't bother. Orbs are just out of focus dust.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:20:21 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I know they usually are but these things look fucking weird, I've seen some normal orbs from dust, and this is NOTHING like that I swear.
throwaway_fuckyou_x2 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:47:11 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Then I insist that you post the pictures!
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:50:44 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
My dad is looking for them still, I'll let you know when I get them up.
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rvrbly ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:44:08 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
If they are cell phones... who are they talking to? No cell towers, no other people with cell phones.
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 16:41:11 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Monastic manipulates fire around naked body after building concentration for months
tossingtossing ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 16:42:35 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
The Philip Experiment is the best evidence I've come across for the existence of the paranormal. Video of some of the occurrences here: http://vimeo.com/14698763
dazmo ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 16:59:43 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I was 17. I watched intently. I thought "this is it. No more denying." i was wrong. Within the next couple of days, some troll politician and the news was saying that they would have an e.t live on the stage with them for a press conference and it turned out to be a dude in an alien costume. Everyone laughed even the news people. I didn't think it was funny obviously.
MonjStrz ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 17:04:10 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Not a picture but sounds. I don't remember what it was called. Probably gate to hell but some area of Russia where they drilled so dead that they put a sound recording device all the way down and it sounded like people being tortured in hell.
DerpSherpa ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:14:11 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I recall hearing this on Art Bell Show back in the 90's.
JohnPombrio ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:27:55 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Read Shermer's Baloney Detection test. This is interpreting a sound into a pattern that does not really exist.
SmileyP ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 18:00:39 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)*
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5NyqplnxNjQ&feature=youtube_gdata_player
This happened at a gas station in my hometown. A ghostly blue figure appears on security cameras and goes bonkers. People see it and react to it on video. In my opinion it was the most exciting thing to ever happen there.
Pappy_Was_A_Pistol ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:26:53 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Looks like something out of focus crawling on the camera dome.
DerpSherpa ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:07:00 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Later determined to be a bug crawling across the lens.
TheHomesickAlien ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 18:53:07 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
This video actually had me convinced when I was young. It's scary real.
elitexero ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:30:41 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Goddamnit it Paul Rudd!
hatememyfriend ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 19:39:11 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
We must always remember that humans are horrible at recalling details, especially as more time has past. Also, just because you can't explain it, doesn't mean that there isn't a scientific explanation. You use a cellphone all the time. Do you really understand how it works (from the rf circuit level to the network level)? Chances are you don't. You don't automatically assume magic fairies shuttle your messages around.
Belief in the supernatural is just ignorance.
erniecardenas ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:34:43 on December 25, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
And being completely close minded to the possibility of the supernatural is just as ignorant, if not more ignorant.
hatememyfriend ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 04:37:43 on December 25, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Ah yes, the I can't prove anything, but you can't disprove it argument. The idiot's last resort to try and win an argument, especially online. Please continue, I'm sure you'll convince me and it'll be worth your time.
erniecardenas ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:51:19 on December 25, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Lmao im not trying to convince you of anything. Im simply stating that you're just as ignorant as the people you criticize. Sorry you're so uptight and bitter there bud!
hatememyfriend ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 05:00:57 on December 25, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
So not believing in something makes me ignorant? Are Jews just as ignorant for not believing that Jesus was the son of God? Are adults everywhere ignorant for not believing in Santa Claus?
Please continue to show how much of a dumbass you are by responding.
erniecardenas ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:05:42 on December 25, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Lmao im not calling you ignorant strictly for not believing in the supernatural bud, im calling you ignorant because you are closed minded. You are calling people ignorant because they believe there are things that are beyond explanation, so basically you're calling them ignorant for a belief they have, criticizing somebody for a belief just because you don't believe it is ignorant. You can call me a dumbass all you want bud, it doesn't bother me lol just proves you're a bitter person. You will respond to this though and then call me a dumbass for responding to you blah blah yet you will keep feeding the fire which ultimately makes you just as much of a "dumbass" as me.
hatememyfriend ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 05:19:12 on December 25, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
But you're calling me ignorant for my belief that people who believe in certain things are ignorant. By your logic that makes you just as ignorant. Also, I'm calling you an idiot because you are one, not because I'm bitter.
Adding "lol" to your comments also makes you seem like more of a moron. Does the truth hurt? Please respond, I'd love to hear more of what you have to say. I'm sure it'll be worth your time to try and win this online conversation with a stranger.
erniecardenas ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:11:16 on December 25, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Lmao God you are a sad little man.
hatememyfriend ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:37:01 on December 25, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Was that response necessary? Do you really need to prove that I'm the "sad little man" when you are the one riled up enough to respond without a single intelligent thought just so you can have the last word? Please stop embarrassing yourself and don't respond. Just walk away with your tail between your legs. I promise I won't make you feel bad anymore. Just give up you idiot.
erniecardenas ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:39:14 on December 25, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Lmao you're still responding, exactly as I predicted. I don't need to prove you're a sad little man, you're doing a fine job of that yourself. Im not really riled up at all, hence why I don't take anything you say seriously LOL. You'll respond to this comment won't ya bud? Im not walking anywhere with my tail between my legs pal, keep arguing with me on the internet since you're the one that keeps mentioning internet arguments being pointless, sorry for hurting your feelings!
hatememyfriend ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:13:42 on December 25, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
You predicted? That's cute. I know this has gotten to you because you keep responding. I bet you can't wait to comment back. I'll make it easy for you and do it myself:
"LOL I'm an idiot! LMAO! I need to make sure that you still think I'm laughing! I can win this argument of idiots by making him think that I'm not at all affected by this! OMG!"
I'm begging you, please stop responding! I don't know how to make this clearer, no one will care if you're a coward.
erniecardenas ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:54:12 on December 25, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Haha you're doing exactly what I want you to do. I told you that you would comment back and you did, good boy! And no, you haven't gotten to me, im just bored and responding to you is enjoyable lol
hatememyfriend ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:14:23 on December 25, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
"Haha", "lol"! Every single one of those is cringe inducing and fails at hiding your cowardice.
You act like you welcome my response but each brings an extra tear to your eyes.
It's ok little girl, I'll stop when you stop responding. You don't want to keep wetting your little hello kitty panties do you? :(
erniecardenas ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:21:08 on December 25, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Haha oh wow, you're fantasizing about me wearing little girl underwear and wetting them? You're a creep lol you're still doing exactly what I want you to do lol I like it when you comment, ill keep commenting back since you seem to like talking to me.
hatememyfriend ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:25:08 on December 25, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Awww, poor little girly is ashamed of peeing her panties! Don't worry, just go tell your mommy and daddy!
Again with the "lol". How cute.
You'll keep commenting back? I guess you like utter humiliation, huh?
erniecardenas ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:35:02 on December 25, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Lmao and you're still doing what I tell you to, you must like being told what to do.
hatememyfriend ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:37:23 on December 25, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
"Oh man, if I just keep repeating myself, I'm sure he'll back down. I'm such a genius, almost makes up for me having no male genitalia."
erniecardenas ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:50:07 on December 25, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Good boy, who's a good boy? You are! Fetch! And I do have a weiner! I wish I didn't though, I'd rather be a woman.
hatememyfriend ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:56:25 on December 25, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Have you been thinking a lot about that? There are operations available if you're serious. I mean to get a fake penis to replace that useless flap of skin that you have, hey-o!
erniecardenas ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:08:52 on December 25, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Lmao this doesn't even make sense. If I just said I wanted to be a woman, why would I want surgery to get my vagina(since you seem to be obsessively thinking about my genitals ya filthy animal) why would I want surgery for a penis?
hatememyfriend ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:11:22 on December 25, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
LMAO - now its up to 3.
I don't know what you want to be honest. It's your life, do what makes you happy.
erniecardenas ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:30:51 on December 25, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
You're still not making sense LUL
hatememyfriend ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:39:16 on December 25, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I'll....talk....slower....for....you....then. You....seem....to....be....getting....dumber.
erniecardenas ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:48:27 on December 25, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Nope. Im still winning since you keep replying to me;)
hatememyfriend ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 23:45:19 on December 25, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I don't think you understand much, do you?
erniecardenas ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:24:36 on December 26, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I do. I just like knowing that you can't resist responding to anything I say;) no matter how "idiotic" it is.
hatememyfriend ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:56:41 on December 25, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Coward.
erniecardenas ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:06:49 on December 25, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Lol oh yeah im totally a coward lol you seem to have a fixation on dicks? Any reason in particular that you're obsessively thinking about them? And again, you're doing exactly what I want. You must have a Reddit crush on me;) im flattered!
hatememyfriend ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:10:03 on December 25, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
"Lol" - I'm going to start counting these. +2
Are you homophobic? It seems that you're assuming that its bad to think about dicks? Do you live in Russia? Are you Christian?
erniecardenas ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:29:49 on December 25, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Im not implying that it's bad to think about dicks at all lol im just curious as to why you seem to be obsessively thinking about them. You're the one that is making more assumptions about me based on comments. Lol lol lol lol rotflmao hahahahaha lol lol lol lol lol lol coward lol lol
hatememyfriend ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:37:36 on December 25, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
idiot count: 19
Now you're copying my insults. Is this too much for your itty bitty brain?
It just seems like you think it's bad to think about dicks. You might not have a healthy view of sex and gender. Do you want to talk about it? Were you molested as a child?
erniecardenas ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:47:33 on December 25, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Oh I forgot this. Lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lul lol lul lol llol lullllll hahahahhaha lmao lmao lmao hehe lmao lol lol lul rofl lmfao lol ha lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol haha lol ha lol llol haha lol lmao lol lol lol lmao lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lmao lol lol
hatememyfriend ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 23:44:41 on December 25, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Just right over your head.
erniecardenas ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:46:16 on December 25, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Lmfao you're funny. Well it is strange to be thinking about dicks to the level that you are, and nope I wasn't molested as a child lol you'll keep on doing what I want though, respond like a good doggie;)
hatememyfriend ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 23:44:27 on December 25, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I'll just count the ones that you add naturally to your sentences that make you sound idiotic. 21 so far.
Once again, you think dicks are strange. They are a part of life, you have to get used to them.
Every single time you respond I win, and I'm winning so much right now.
erniecardenas ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:23:26 on December 26, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Nahhhhh im winning. Im not calling dicks strange lol but thinking about them obsessively is strange. Thinking about anything obsessively is strange. That's called a fixation bud. Also since you feel the need to call me names, that is showing me that Im winning;) you're obviously emotionally invested in me, that's fine with me though.
hatememyfriend ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 00:25:14 on December 26, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
22 - I'm just calling it like it is, pal.
erniecardenas ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:52:24 on December 26, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I win:)
hatememyfriend ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:08:51 on December 26, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
And you're back to prove that you can't just walk away and admit utter defeat.
erniecardenas ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:22:34 on December 25, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Also I wear Spiderman undies just to give you a better mental image;)
hatememyfriend ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:26:42 on December 25, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Batman > Spiderman. Your taste is horrible.
erniecardenas ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:41:12 on December 25, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
LMFAO jeeze, you went through my whole post history and downvoted me lol keep it up please. I love it;)
hatememyfriend ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:14:55 on December 25, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I'd love to continue this majestic dance with you.
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ageorge9 ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 22:44:35 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
probably the pyramids
ur2l8 ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 23:21:10 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Our lady of Zeitoun in Egypt or the Miracle of the sun in Spain. Marian apparations
annabee2323 ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 00:08:09 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
lightning
MaeveSuave ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 17:07:25 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Not a photo, but the fact that the sun and moon just so happen to be damn near exactly the same size, allowing for total solar eclipses, and providing a strange duality to night and day that has influenced the mind since our first stirrings of consciousness. It could be mere coincidence, that on this goldilocks planet, ripe for life, a single moon and a single sun shine their light upon all. Or was it a such a strange thing, these perfections of heaven, that caused in our minds a greater question?
JohnPombrio ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:19:22 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Heh, they are not the " same size". The moon has an elongated orbit so sometimes the moon does not completely cover the sun and there is a wedding ring eclipse. Your fallacy here according to Shermers baloney Detection Kit is to single out something that seems to support your argument while millions of things do not.
MaeveSuave ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:47:28 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I know they're not the same size, which is why I said nearly. And fallacy? The only argument I'm making is that they appear to be the same size, to a normal observer, certainly in pre-history. Got any more canned responses? Or would you like to try an original thought?
rysssam ยท -6 points ยท Posted at 17:18:05 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Since we're sort of debunking stuff . . . and I would love to not be freaked out by this picture-- http://imgur.com/BN0sIpC
-There's this weird face/thing on my nephew and my sister. -We found it only after it was uploaded to the facebook. (did facebook mess with the photo) -I tried to say it was a double negative, but it's on a digital camera. -None of us know how to use photoshop. I have it from school, but my sis and her husband don't even have a computer.
doug_vinny ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:30:13 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
That looks EXACTLY like a filter on a camera app I used to have on my phone. It puts a little ghost thing somewhere in the picture.
YasashiiKaze ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:36:37 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah....this has been done to death.
http://thethreewisemonkeys.com/2011/10/31/of-real-korean-ghosts-and-ghost-stories/ghost/
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:50:27 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
haaha try a little harder next time, its too defined to be believable
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[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:57:39 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Wow. Americans really do think the world revolves around them don't they? For instance Manchester (England) has so many reported sightings here's a 'top ten' their local paper did recently. http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/ufo-sightings-manchester-top-ten-6387883
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_major_UFO_sightings
gorjusgeorgus ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:08:22 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Did you see the ITV or BBC Documentary about half a year ago about people who think they are continuously being abducted? That was... odd.
lil-praying-mantis ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 16:20:07 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I took a picture of my dog ten years ago with my film camera. When I brought it to get the film developed, a gnome showed up next to my dog. It looks sketchy and is just an outline, but it was so damn adorable. His eyes, nose, overalls, I have a feeling I got trolled.
Someone in the studio probably scratched it into the film, but sometimes I wonder if it was ever real...
ii_PinHead_XD ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 16:20:10 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
This is sort of off topic I would give you guys a picture but I unfortunately lost it when I gave up ghost hunting. but I do have a recording that was in a jail cell that whispers "GET OUT NOW"
ChoosingThisWasHard ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 16:31:37 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I'm pretty sure I lost it but my ex had a photo of her father and brother. They were parked at a cemetery and her dad took a photo and you could CLEARLY see a girl in the passenger side mirror. It was creepy as hell.
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SumoMcFly ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:53:50 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I've heard of other occurrences like these, and they seem to be well explained by the phenomenon of gravity hills. They have one in Moncton, Canada as well as several places in the US.
robrobxD ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 17:55:31 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Fairly recent one from Manchester (UK) museum, showing an egyptian statue moving during time-lapse footage http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-23029507
agreatbecoming ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 18:00:25 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
That turned out to be down to the vibrations of movement of people. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-manchester-25005916
HiramAbiff33 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:00:57 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
That statue looks just...like...a dick.
avenlanzer ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 18:05:37 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
My mother has a picture of my daughter on the playground. you can clearly see angel-like ghostly shapes around her.
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ph8fourTwenty ยท -8 points ยท Posted at 16:12:43 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
None, there has never been a photo to capture anything "supernatural". It would be impossible to photograph because it does not exists.
sheeeeeez ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 15:35:54 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
This lady in a Charlie Chaplin video seems to be on a cell phone.
Link
They say it's just a hearing piece but it doesn't look like one at all.
rvrbly ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:45:48 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
IF it is a cell phone... why would she be talking into it? Who else in that time would have a cell phone? And where are the cell towers and such to accommodate the technology?
Sublove98 ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 16:03:24 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Have a photo of what I believe to be a ghost. it's a cellphone picture I took in an old mineshaft, I'll try to find it when I'm not on mobile.
metans ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:29:44 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
it's been less than 2 hours, give OP time to deliver.
you... will deliver, wont you, OP?
Sublove98 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:27:27 on December 14, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I've been hunting. And I deleted all my phone backup files it's gone :(
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Fr33Flow ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:02:20 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I hate you.
Plane_Makin ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 00:13:44 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)*
Friend took this the other day, we are still WTFing! They we're in the car smoking a bowl, then decided to take a snapchat, and low and behold they weren't smoking alone! http://imgur.com/xM79c2k
Edit: creepy ghost zoom http://imgur.com/HOmbalh
Really creepy thing is the hangloose he's throwing up!
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:22:51 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
That doesn't look convincing to me. Looks like a face of someone on an 80's action movie poster.
Plane_Makin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:32:42 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I don't like the hand though.
emperor000 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:51:20 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
It's obviously a poster or something else behind them.
Plane_Makin ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 01:02:53 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
I dont agree, look at the light coming thru the back window....
emperor000 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:25:30 on December 16, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
That doesn't look like a window. It looks more like a bright part of the poster. At most it's just another person who was in the picture with them.
china-pimiento ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:48:08 on December 15, 2013 ยท (Permalink)
Those brahs are gonna go out tonight and crush some puss.
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