[deleted] ยท 3894 points ยท Posted at 18:45:35 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Fucking Nazeem. FUCK THE CLOUD DISTRICT, I'M A THANE.
someguy73 ยท 3610 points ยท Posted at 00:06:21 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
I have a special ritual every time I start up a new game of Skyrim.
I go about as usual, playing however I want. The trigger for this particular event is when I get my first black soul gem. I finish what I'm doing and then I head over to Whiterun and wait in the Cloud District. As soon as I see Nazeem, I soul trap him and then I murder him in broad daylight. I never hide my actions, whether I'm playing a stealthy rogue or a virtuous paladin. I want everyone to see what I did. After paying off/running away from the guards, I take a journey to the Sea of Ghosts up in the north, alone. No fast traveling, for it is a sacred pilgrimage. When I arrive I go out onto the ice and I find a random spot in the ocean that looks deep enough to my satisfaction, and I drop the black gem containing Nazeem's damned soul right into the icy water. I watch it quickly fall into the abyss and then I move on, never returning for it, leaving it to be forgotten forever.
My Nazeem ritual started when I made my first "priest" character (or as my friends call it: the manipulative asshole.) I kill Nazeem and enslave him as my zombie, then bring him to his farm and make him kill his wife (and sometimes his neighbors for good measure) then I usually take him to a giants camp or the like and continually watch him die in combat and resurrect him to fail once again. Fuck that guy.
[deleted] ยท 151 points ยท Posted at 04:50:00 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Aw that's sad. I actually like his wife; she calls him out on his bullshit.
[deleted] ยท 29 points ยท Posted at 08:31:03 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
She made the fatal mistake of marrying him, such is life.
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 08:36:35 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Such is death.
DrBBQ ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 13:45:31 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You can learn the spells in the conjuration tree. Idk what levels, but I know dead thrall is a master level conjuration spell that allows you to enslave a corpse for all eternity. (muhahahahaha) Or at least until they de-spawn.
Lol, I find it ironic too even though I use both. EDIT: Jesus, I just thought it was a funny coincidence. I never said I agreed with whatever that other guy was saying.
Vakieh ยท -58 points ยท Posted at 05:48:06 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Look everyone I found the bitter console player peasant without a sense of humour!
Kerid25 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 12:40:17 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No, I play on PC as well, but you didn't have to bring your master race bullshit out of nowhere.
Usually I would just brutally murder him and carry him to a really public place, strip him down naked and put him propped up in a sitting position with an arrow through his face, but this is even better. I feel the deep hatred.
cow_co ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 11:48:47 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It is a five year old game. Most computers should be able to run a five year old game in minimal settings, unless they are extremely cheap/beaters/or more than five years old. Not every computer will be able to run skyrim, but most (especially if the guy was talking about desktops) should be able to, even if at reduced settings.
Any laptops in the past few years above 400-500 should run it. If not there are mods on the Skryim Nexus that make older machines more than capable of running it
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:51:17 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You can do something similar to Marcy in Fallout 4 instead.
Hugo154 ยท -7 points ยท Posted at 03:17:03 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Xbone master race
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 04:36:30 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This is hilarious,but unfortunately souls don't stay in the soul gem, just the energy associated with them. The actual persona in the soul is trapped in the Soul Cairn.
I like to use him to enchant some boots that I reverse-pickpocket onto his wife and get her to put them on. Very satisfying seeing her walk all over him.
I never kill him. I have the mod that allows you to kill children. I sneak into his house in the middle of the night. I cast a frenzy spell on him and watch as he murders his family. Then let him live with the fact that he killed the people he loved and was supposed to protect.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:41:56 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Somebody on /r/skyrim wrote a back story for him that was pretty brutal. Essentially, he'd been hexed to always be a huge dick. He'd try and say, "Good morning," and instead he'd say something smarmy.
emicattt ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:25:00 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Do you have the link, or remember roughly how long ago it was? I tried searching but couldn't find it.
I don't. It's been quite a lot while since I saw it. Easily a year, maybe two. Worse yet, I think it was just a comment in one of the many "kill Nazeem" threads that were/are so popular there.
Preston and his endless babysitting quests are an embuggerance, but Marcy Long is the real successor to Nazeem.
[deleted] ยท 140 points ยท Posted at 23:20:05 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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Mogetfog ยท 259 points ยท Posted at 23:31:39 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The real annoyance is mama Murphy. oh the sight takes a lot outta me
shut up, get out of your chair, and contribute to the community you lazy bum! I got so annoyed with her that I built a small metal box around her, filled it with strobe lights, and put a single cat painting in front of her, then sealed it off. Have fun on your next trip you junkie bitch.
The whole lot of them are the most useless fucking settlers I've ever encountered. Here's a rundown:
Marcy: Give her some nice clothes and ask her to maybe check the plants and you get "Hey fuck you." Wow. Okay then. Bitch.
Jun: Local sad sack. Abilities include: moping, crying, whining, looking sad. Current employment: bartender.
Mama Murphy: She's a fucking junkie and annoying as shit, what else can I say?
Sturges: Wow man, good job hammering away at the middle of that wall panel for the past three months. Do you have it just right yet?
Preston: "Oh hey, I know you just cleaned the ghouls up around Ten Pines Bluff so I hate to ask you this but can you please clean the ghouls up around Ten Pines Bluff?" FUCKIN HELL MAN
I think my current playthrough is broken. I can't seem to get my companions to like when I make weapon modifications. Codsworth and Preston are both supposed to respond but neither has so far.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:26:17 on January 25, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Are they near you when you do it? It only happens once every so often, so if you keep making mods it only increases their disposition once.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 11:59:33 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Sturges plays an important role in the plot if you choose to use the Minute Men. I think he's the only non annoying one among them.
He's def not annoying. Just useless with a hammer. However not as bad as a the vault resident I found at Vault 81. He was tightening a concrete wall with a wrench. I thought I was bad at tools. Wall a bit too loose mr. resident? Yesss that should fix it. (read in the voice of John Cleese).
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 11:43:41 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Everybody sucks, Dogmeat is my adorable pupperschnup baby that I will never let get hurt and if you fucking shoot my Dogmeat I will blow you head off with this Tactical Combat Shotgun you raider piece of shit. /overprotective Dogmeat owner rant
I leave him at sanctuary. I love him but he drove me nuts. First of all, there's no map indicator for him, so I see "Dogmeat found something" and I think, well great, now I have to find Dogmeat. And he always screwed up my strategies.
Zankoran ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 09:41:00 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The idea here is that the first settlers you meet Are supposed to represent the types of people that play this game. Bethesdas calling you out on your shit community lol
Whoa. Blowing my mind man. Everyone is a different type of gamer. Except Sturges. He's Bethesda. Because he works all day, every day, looking like he's fixing things but nothing ever changes! (jk, Bethesda. I love the game. You guys are great.)
Kilmir ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 11:26:24 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
When I got the quest to build her a chair, I built it in a far away corner of Sanctuary. I never ever see or hear her again. She's just sitting there in a stripped, abandoned house.
Mogetfog ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:41:14 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
i made the mistake of just randomly placing it assuming i could move it later. so it went in the middle of the floor in my big community barracks. well guess what, now the rotten bitch never gets up and i cant move it, which means she is in the way of everything. hence the torture box.
Agreed. TBH I never was annoyed at all by preston himself. The problem is the repetition of the minutemen quests. Marcy is a cunt though. She constantly stands next to the weapon bench and hurls insults at me while I am trying to work. By the end I wanted to cave her skull in with a rocketsledge.
Cupybora ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 01:28:48 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I was using the weapons workbench by the power armour station once and Marcy stood behind me complaining constantly for the entire time I was there. I wanted to shoot her stupid fucking face off.
I make a save right in front of her. Then, I proceed to beat the everloving mess out of her. I can't stand the accent and the snarkiness. BITCH I SAVED YOU AND GAVE YOU A PLACE TO LIVE, QUIT YOUR SHIT.
I play on Survival and every time I go on a random quicksave killing spree in Sanctuary, Marcy pulls out Kremvh's Tooth from the workshop and chases me everywhere with it. Does like half my hp in poison damage and Marcy for some reason always immediately regains all her hp after reaching zero, so I have to permanently be running around or stack cooked food to outheal the poison.
I know I can take the weapon out of the workshop so she doesn't use it, but it's satisfying to smack her down with blitz every 10 sec anyway.
Yeah, I've done that once before for the sake of it. Most of the time in FO4, I just go on a killing spree when I'm bored or if there's a bunch of clustered NPCs.
You know, you can't kill her, but you can shoot her with no penalties. Every time she says something cunty I pull of my trusty revolver in put two in her kneecaps. It doesn't do anything in the long run, but it sure makes me feel better.
benners5 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:02:37 on January 4, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I would give her clothes based on how badly she complained. First step was long johns, then sack hood. After that it was worse and worse jobs, she now handles the majority of my farming, with no help.
And? Preston is nowhere near as in-your-face as Nazeem is. Preston will talk to you if you talk to him. Nazeem... he'll walk up to you from halfway across Whiterun just to say how much of a stuckup prick he is, being far louder than any NPC other than Heimskr in doing so. Nazeem is far worse than Preston.
While I do agree with you that Nazeem is much more annoying than Preston, I've had the opposite experience with nazeem. He doesn't walk right up to me, if I walk close to him, he'll talk to me.
You know how you get a free pass on a crime once as thane? It's been a while since I played Skyrim, but I think most of the time I used it on killing him. Him or the priest that's equally annoying with his ranting.
Whiterun became so peaceful when I finally got my stealth and archery up high enough to kill him in one shot completely undetected by guards. I even ran out and collected his body and dropped it in a stream, the guards didn't care because I wasn't the one who had murdered him apparently.
Like, bro, I agree with your message, but you're going about it all wrong.
[deleted] ยท 31 points ยท Posted at 21:15:00 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I like to pretend he meant it positively. Like "Oh man, why would you even waste time going to the cloud district? You're a Thane!"
"What can I do for you my thane?"
"You can fuck right off and eat draugr dick, Lydia, you creep. I don't even trust that you haven't molested me in my sleep."
Skyrim really took annoying repetitive NPC dialogue to a new level. Back in the day, you had to go up to NPCs to hear them speak. In Skyrim, every guard has something stupid to say.
pulezan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:15:38 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ok, i'll ask. What's up with Nazeem? I played Skyrim only for a bit since i'm not a big fan of the genre but I'm familiar with some of the things in the game.
Brute108 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:51:33 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's been a long time since I last played Skyrim, could someone give me the quick-like-cat version of why he is hated?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:59:41 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He walks around insulting everyone and calling them poor with the smug-est voice in the world.
_dudz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:54:58 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Oh please, it's possible. I didn't meet Nazeem until my third playthrough. He's hard to miss if you go through the market in Whiterun, but I usually took a left up the stairs upon entering Whiterun at first.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:45:02 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I was trying to be funny...
JDst4r ยท 1255 points ยท Posted at 19:37:22 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Eric Sparrow from Tony Hawk's Underground. Fuck that guy.
Chance4e ยท 338 points ยท Posted at 01:29:41 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He fucking stole the Hawaii shot!
[deleted] ยท 64 points ยท Posted at 03:14:19 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
[deleted] ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 03:58:51 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Is it weird that I role played the Underground games? Like I came up with a whole bio for my skater, which indeed lead me to hate Sparrow soooooooo much.
I liked her for the fact I hated her. The actress did a great job making me hate that character so much. Besides her the ending was the best part. I really like to hate certain characters and she is fairly high on my list.
Man. The Mist is one of my favorite movies. I watched it kinda young and it fucked me up. I was 12 when it came out and all I could muster at the end was, "He could have waited five more minutes."
Saw it again last year and it was just as good a movie.
Wasn't that the whole cynical point of the myst? The preachy god woman, whatever her name was, was right all along. I think this makes it perhaps the most cynical movie ever made
Sage2050 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 06:30:03 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
She was a servant to the dark Lord, possibly unbeknownst to herself. She may have been "right" but God was certainly not with her.
I dunno man, pretty sure someone can interpret the thing outta some passage. The Abrahamic God isn't cute and fluffy. The Abrahamic God is all about vengeance and smiting and cutting off foreskins. Those things would fit right in. Moses probably had that shit in reserve for Egypt if the Pharaoh didn't cave. Woulda been a hell of an eleventh plague.
I think it might have been a case of when casting walking dead, he choose people he'd previously worked with. If you notice the cast, Carol, Andrea, Dale and a few others I think from smaller roles in TWD, like Morales, were all cast in The Mist first. It may just be the casting agent Frank uses, lol.
Liies ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 10:30:16 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The guy that played Dale (Jeffrey DeMunn) is also in The Shawshank Redemption & The Green Mile. Two more Darabont movies.
I've said this before on reddit but the first time I saw this movie was a few months into my first treatment of antidepressants. The ending was so brutal it was the first thing to make me feel anything in over a year. I started crying, then laughing uncontrollably. I was so happy to be able to feel sad, to be able to feel any intense emotion again. This movie will always be special to me.
Might want to spoiler tag that last part in quotes!
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:09:32 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Steven King saw it and said something like "That's the ending I would have written if I had more balls."
senopahx ยท -8 points ยท Posted at 04:55:16 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Honestly, that was a terrible ending. I walked out of the theater wishing for my money back.
I liked the novella ending and would have been fine with the bleaker "murder-suicide/loss of hope" ending if they had bothered to build up to it. Instead of suddenly sprung it on us for the cheap shock value. Also, having the military show up 30 seconds later as the mist suddenly dissipates was utterly ridiculous and completely undermined any emotional impact the preceding scene may have had.
I see people continually quote that Stephen King preferred the movie ending but as a fan of his work, that really doesn't carry a lot of weight. He's a good writer (with some fantastic ideas) but his endings often leave something to be desired
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:07:47 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That movie felt like a syfy original. I rented it from a video store, but I would have been ticked off if I saw that mess of a film at theatre prices. I just remember rolling my eyes at the lastscene. It just felt so contrived and so telegraphed. Worse was the fact that the army guys were partly on foot and seemed to come from the direction he came from. How did he not drive through them? And even if they came from the other direction, he didn't hear a convoy of trucks and guys with flamethrowers a few minutes slow walk away?
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:27:41 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
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[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:31:53 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That would have made more sense, but the way the scend is shot, it really feels like a few minutes at most. Maybe that was just for the purpose of simplicity, but it made the scene jarring. And not having liked the rest of the movie much, I wasn't feeling generous.
senopahx ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:47:15 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That got me thinking as well. The military base was where it started. If they were able to clear it with a couple flamethrowers then it really makes no sense that the event went on for so long. The flamethrowers and the creatures/mist were both in the same location at the start.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:44:57 on January 4, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
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senopahx ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:41:06 on January 4, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The problem is that we're shown them clearing it with ease.
The base was conducting these experiments on purpose so it's not like an armed response wouldn't have been ready. Instead we're shown that they turned the faucet and left it running for days.
Something feels very inconsistent there.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:23:58 on January 4, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
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senopahx ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:43:06 on January 4, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't know... they also would have had containment systems in place in the lab. Reinforced construction, heavy security doors (fire, perhaps blast proof?). This is a top secret military research facility we're talking about. It just still seems incongruous that they weren't able to contain things when people were keeping out the creatures with some glass panels and bags of fertilizer, then later be able to clean up the situation with ease.
As I said in my other post, I actually don't mind the murder-suicide addition to the ending. It would still have kept the bleak tone as in the novella, which is what I felt the story deserves. It's only the military's sudden appearance and miraculous non-sensical victory that I take issue with.
The thing was is I didn't hate her, because "she played such a great antagonist" to me it felt like such an illogical situation. It felt so unrealistic, like I didn't feel like any actual person would act that way, let alone if they did people would follow. Don't get me wrong, I love the whole "when humans are scared they are irrational and turn on each other" idea. And there have been some great examples in popular culture of it. The episode of the twilight zone when the power goes out on the street, or the episode of doctor who "midnight", I can totally get behind the idea that humans are very weak and controlled by fear, but that specific character and scenario just felt too over the top. Too forced. It didn't feel like she really had any kind of motivation to be like that. It wasn't any kind of survival or self defense tactics, sue was simply being the bad guy to be the bad guy. Things like that in movies really takes me out of it. When a bad guy is just bad because well they are bad. Wow I didn't realize how much this was going to turn into a rant.
I don't think she was bad for the sake of being bad. I think she genuinely believed her own BS. She was just a religious zealot sort of person and she had finally been put in a situation where she was able to build a flock.
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 21:53:08 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hell yeah, Marcia Gay Harden is an Oscar winner, and deservedly so. She's a great actress and was fantastic at being so horrible in The Mist.
rydrid ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:54:58 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So I saw this movie when it came out with some friends. Naturally we had a few beers beforehand to make it more fun. When she started berating them for the last time, and the quiet guy with the gun was just standing there... I couldn't contain myself anymore. I stood up, raised my fist to the sky and yelled "KILL THAT BITCH!" Then it happened, the pinnacle of justice porn. The audience cheered, the movie continued, and then the ending happened. Such a quiet crowd we were exiting the theater.
Walter Jr from Breaking Bad is annoying as hell too. That woman who keeps trying to talk up her new talk show on TBS. Her voice is grating and she is terribly unfunny. Daniel Tosh. I could think of more but I would be typing most of the night.
I'm a sucker for unhappy or "the bad guy won" endings, and The Mist is one of the greatest examples of the former.
[deleted] ยท 31 points ยท Posted at 22:49:52 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Dont you think its silly how quickly he decided that killing everyone and himself was the best option? It was kinda funny how out of left field it was. It would have been fitting if he said "Welp. Im stumped. Time for me to murder y'all and then I go lasties."
meshaber ยท 23 points ยท Posted at 23:53:28 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It made sense to me that you'd want to do it when the kid was sleeping. And he'd probably been thinking about what to do if they ran out of gas for a while as they were driving.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 02:49:51 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The problem is that none of that was communicated to the audience. It leaves the impression that they were trying to wrap up the movie and they had to come up with an ending on a deadline.
senopahx ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:08:27 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You're getting downvoted but you're correct. There was a very sudden tonal shift there at the end that didn't fit with the story thus far. It really should have had a bit more buildup, if they were going to go that route, and excluded the military's presence entirely.
Dr_fish ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 00:51:41 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's what I always think when people praise the ending as fantastic. I mean, sure, it was shocking and unexpected, but it was completely out of line with the whole lead up before with the desperate struggle to survive and escape. For them to give up so suddenly is silly, in my opinion it's a bad ending, not because it's an 'unhappy' ending, but because it doesn't fit, it makes the movie average, and I don't think it deserves the praise it gets.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 07:14:50 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, the ending in the film was awful. I would have much preferred they'd stuck with the ending in the novel, which is way more open ended (basically just ends with them driving off and hearing a radio broadcast)
I love the movie, but I agree that the ending was weak. Everyone seems to love it for how dark it is but it just wasn't a good ending. Also, the ending of the book is completely different.
He doesn't have a great track record with his own movies. Usually he's right on when he reviews other people's movies, it's just that his written works don't really translate well from the page to the screen (big or small).
senopahx ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 05:11:43 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
His story endings tend to be rather weak in general (and I'm speaking as someone who enjoys his writing).
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:56:01 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Inside the store there were hope for help and some sense of security by being inside a building along with several other people. When driving around they sensed a massive dread because they covered a much larger area (not just near the store) since there was no apparent end to the nightmarish creatures and fog itself. The massive walking creature in a sense symbolized their helplessness and hopelessness.
I think the ending was very fitting context wise even when ignoring the shock value.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:04:55 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Completely agree. I've been trying to articulate my thoughts on this ending and this is it.
GunNNife ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:31:51 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
How about this thought: the Mist cleared up and the righteous people who stayed behind with the crazy God lady all survived. All it took was for the evil people who left the store to sacrifice themselves.
Seriously, watch that ending: the Mist clears up within a minute of the man killing the other car passengers. And who are happily rescued on the military trucks? Why, it's the God-lady's followers!
Dont you think its silly how quickly he decided that killing everyone and himself was the best option?
No? It's pretty obvious they could choose to die quick and painlessly, or screaming in horror while the monsters do their thing. They tried, and (at the time) obviously failed to find safety. This was basically a text book example of a "save the last bullet for yourself" scenario.
Or maybe I'm just cynical.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:10:11 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I understand the scenario and I agree that it could be a believable end to these characters stories but from where I was sitting, I didn't see any hint that they were considering doing that. It was very out of character. So it seemed like a tacked on ending with a lazy sort of twist.
Shorvok ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 03:53:00 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well they could see / hear monsters and the father had seen people die in some seriously horrible ways.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:52:31 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's believable that they would. I just wish it were mentioned or even hinted at that that was being considered as an option. It's the most extreme option imaginable so why would there be 0 conversation about it? Why would that be left out of the story? So it seems like an idea he pulls out of his ass. It's funny to think that murder suiciding would be a decision made on the fly so the excellent momentum and tension the movie built up was lost like a balloon that was filled fully with air and instead of popping it, it was let go and did fart circles around the room. Sympathy for the characters is replaced by confusion. The move jumped out of the swing at maximum altitude but didn't stick the landing.
I loved the ending. You can't honestly expect a story like that to end happily, but there's the promise of redemption. He's in purgatory, but there's a chance he can change his fate now, maybe next time will be different....
mecrosis ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:26:49 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ka ka.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 08:47:03 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I stopped reading the series when I realized I liked every book less than the last. The Gunslinger was my favorite book for a few years. The Drawing of the Three was great. So was the Wasteland. Wizard and Glass was good, but not on the same level as the others. Wolves of the Calla was boring. I own Suzanna's Song, byt I've never read it. Having read a synopsis of it and The Dark Tower, I don't think I ever will.
mecrosis ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 12:56:53 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It felt like as a writer he was all set with the series as he'd moved on to other things. I mean it spanned like 30 years of his career. The last couple of books felt like he was just "here so I don't get fined."
ovjoe ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 23:25:28 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The short story ended a little different. Great read. Check it out.
Yes! I have to admit, I laughed so hard at the ending because it was the worse thing to have happened to the "hero." I reacted the same way in "The Increasingly Poor Decision of Todd Margaret" when Todd calls Dave instead of Alice during the trial.
I like the surprise element of that but the difficulty here is that it's difficult to find films with surprisingly bleak endings because when you know it's going to be bleak it's no longer a surprise.
I don't know if it was intentional, but it seemed like the most was clearing up too. The whole time I was like "no you idiots! It's about to clear up, you'll all be fine!" That made it have an even greater effect for me.
Really? I thought it was a happy ending. I mean, it's clear the world is saved by the army and everything will be fine. Sure, that one dude lost his kid and friends, but in the aggregate it was a happy ending for humanity, unlike the ending of the book, where there was little hope for humanity.
I got stuck watching this movie in a theater with my brother and his gf of 2 dates in high school. Got dragged there because my gf had just broken up with me after 2 years, 2 days prior. Got stuck watching the movie while he sucked face with his girl and another couple on my other side nearly got each other off. Couldn't tell which was worse, real life or the movie
BGYeti ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 22:27:27 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Dude the movie was good what are you talking about, and even Stephen King came out and said he wished his book ended the way the movie did.
The movie wasn't that great and I always felt like the ending came out of nowhere. It's just a huge tonal shift. I love most of Stephen King's work (I'm actually a pretty big fan), but I disagree with him. The book's ending was way more understated and consistent with the themes of the story.
jawni ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:27:55 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's too bad. The payoff from the ending and what happens to the Jesus lady is so awesome.
MAK911 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:03:04 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Trust me. It is NOT spoiling the movie. It is sooo fucking satisfying seeing her get shot that you should be happy knowing she dies. Hell, when I first saw The Mist, I put her getting shot on A-B repeat and laughed for a hour straight as she kept getting shot in the damn head. Some spoilers are good.
What's even worse is that she was kind of right the whole time. As soon as the kid is killed, the monsters are revealed to have been eliminated.
RXL ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 20:36:59 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Expiation!
Finally someone else that understood the ending to that movie. I feel like I have to defend the ending to some angry reddit poster at least once a month.
: the act of making atonement
: the means by which atonement is made
It's been a few years since I've seen it; what do you mean?
RXL ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:40:33 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The crazy Christian lady keeps chanting "expiation, sacrifice of innocent blood" meaning she wants to sacrifice the kid to make everything back to normal.
In the end this is exactly what happens.
Any time there is an askreddit or movies thread about "what is the worst ending to a movie ever" The Mist is always mentioned and usually even top post with people mostly complaining it was unexpected and didn't fit.
Summon me should you ever get into a discussion like that again and I shall help you champion the cause. The ending is brutally brilliant. It is depressing, and unfortunate, and tragic, and sad...
And that woman was absolutely right. And it's so wonderfully subtle that it took me too long to appreciate it. Was it tragic coincidence that not 2 minutes after everyone dies, the army rolls in as the big heroes?
Or was it because that boy was sacrificed as she said?
She is such a challenging character for me because for as much as I want to yell at her at the top of my lungs on how terrifically wrong she is: Once it all resolves, she may very well be the only right person after all.
It is so unbelievably frustrating and stands as one of the few movies that defied my expectations. I love it because you do not walk away happy. Every time you see a horror movie, you always walk away describing what you would have done different and how you would have the smart, logical, right-thing-to-do plan. And this movie takes that, and utterly eviscerates it.
What's even more tragic is if they had filmed the original ending they wanted to do, and that was film the caravans rolling by with all the people (his neighbor, prominently) that had left the store earlier in the film, all safe and sound and not dead like we presumed.
This movie made me sad for each and every person, for as few lines of dialogue as they may have gotten in some instances (Sam Witwer's character was unfortunate in that he essentially did nothing to warrant his sacrifice, but his sacrifice actually brought about reprieve) . And it saddens me when I see people not truly appreciate how perfect the ending and her character are. Yes, she's terrible. I despised her. But she made sense. Not in her words (I have faith in God and would never support anything she would say, ever), but in how she acted in a situation that defied all understanding and reasoning.
I love this movie for its subtle, tragic brilliance.
I hate this movie because I feel the sorrow, fear, and anxiety every is feeling in that movie.
I see it differently. She was NOT right. The father lost all hope and gave in to what she essentially wanted. He killed his kid while he was still innocent, before they get caught by the impending doom that seemed to be closing in. Only after he killed them did he realize that he was originally right to hold on to hope and fight a direct fight the whole time. He should have kept fighting with his kid, even if it would have meant them living in a nightmare. Always hold on to hope, even in the face of complete loss. Same message that the father gives to his son in "The Road".
I actually screamed "FUCK YES" in the theater when she died. People didn't even disagree
Wivru ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 20:19:33 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This is an underrated comment, maybe because that movie wasn't super huge or particularly associated with nerd culture, but Jesus that woman was super-Umbridge.
I was so excited for this movie when I heard it was being made, went to theatre to watch it, and left before it ended. No amount of creepy monsters could make up for that character. My wife left JUST before she got her just desserts, which would have been an excellent pay-off I might add, but I had to get the hell out of there she grated on my nerves that badly.
BGYeti ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 22:29:30 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
How could you have read the book and not been prepared for that character?
I was prepared for the character, but the absolutely over-the-top acting was cringe-worthy. I have never felt so uncomfortable and ANGRY in a theater in my entire life.
I understand. I walked out of Racing Stripes. Sometimes shit just gets too annoying to handle. It's interesting to see what peoples breaking points are. It varies so much. And that is the only movie I ever walked out of. I have seen some horrible shit but only walked out of one movie.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:54:28 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Incidentally, the film also has probably one of the most satisfying headshots in nerd culture.
No reliable way that I know of for the old episodes, but I haven't checked in a while. I think there were DVDs once but they are out of print and expensive. They seem to come and go from torrents and YouTube now and then. Liam Lynch, the creator, has made more recent stuff with Sifl & Olly on his podcast and YouTube though.
My favorite was watching a behind the scenes of the last episode of GOT last season. One of the producers was talking about how Olly was a sympathetic character because of what had happened to him. If I was supposed to sympathize or already understand where he was coming from, either the show or I missed something huge.
Show screwed up, or there isn't time to establish 3873 characters in a show. He was a powder boy who was raped most of his life in the sex trade. Jon showed him honor and what it was to be a man of the watch and I think it went to ollys head.
[deleted] ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 23:49:45 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Season 5 was absolute bollocks story wise. They left out a ton of key events that sparked the characters to do the things that they did. It's like they were reacting to actions that never happened. All because D&D decided to cut it out and try and be story writers.
[deleted] ยท -30 points ยท Posted at 22:08:39 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Season 5 was absolutely amazing. They cut through the slog of books 4 and 5 and left us in a PERFECT position. Was it perfect? no, was it a transitional season? yes. but god damn they truly nailed it. in the full context of the show i think we will look back and love how they made it happen and linked through the god damn mess that feast/dance is.
Like, burning Shireen for the sake of taking Winterfell for the sake of Stannis's personal ambition is a horrible horrible act. Especially when you consider it just failed in epic proportions.
Burning Shireen for the sake of the realm, in a last desperate attempt to hold back the White Walkers? Yes, it's also an awful act. But it no longer makes the character selfish or power hungry, it would make him pragmatic.
And that's a huge distinction. And because we have no idea of the context for the books burning (We know it will be different), we can't say that GRRM ruined the character yet.
Distaly ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 00:01:32 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
and left us in a PERFECT position. Was it perfect? no
Something seems to not work here.
[deleted] ยท -18 points ยท Posted at 00:19:46 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Feast/Dance did have a lot of sludge to it. But instead of just cutting out the sludge like the did in previous seasons, they tried to rewrite a lot of it. This caused them to remove/poorly rewrite parts that gave characters motivations to do what they did, ie.
There's nothing wrong D&D rewriting book arcs per say, because adapting AFFC and ADWD as they were written would be incredibly hard.
The issue was, the rewrites they created were really bad on the whole. Like, they had some fantastic spectacles sure, and some great directed and acted scenes, but the scenes, and the dialogue were just bad, as well as lacking in depth.
And that's the more worrying thing; If the origional content for this season was bad, then it makes the idea that the stuff for the next three years will also be bad.
hooahest ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 07:09:24 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Stannis plotline? Ruined.
Iron Islans plotline? MIA.
Tyrion plotline? Way ahead of schedule.
Bran plotline? Who's Bran again?
Jaime plotline? Let him fuck about in a place he isn't supposed to be so we can kill another character that isn't supposed to die.
Sansa? Oh let's stick her in with the Boltons, we haven't seen her being abused enough
They buggered all the plotlines, I'm genuinely curious how they are goinf to write themselves out of the hole they dug
[deleted] ยท -11 points ยท Posted at 00:24:35 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I like this "supposed to die" "ruined chacter" "MIA" complaints.
Like dude. You don't know wwhere any of this shit is going. They sped through 4 and 5, those books were impossible to adapt and they did a damn fine job.
Well tbf, it's likely she also meets the same fate in the books, maybe by different means, but same end result. Could be skipping a side plot in order to focus the impact on her family.
And there's also a prophecy about all of Cersei's kids dying before she dies. They still have to do the Dorne plot in the books, but I'd guess Myrcella and Tommen don't make it to the end of the series.
If they scrapped the Dorne plot in the series, or reworked it, then Myrcella really doesn't need to be alive and her dying just speeds up Cersei's downfall.
I don't get why they need to rework plotlines that would work perfectly fine in the show.
Fine, sure cut Brienne's character developing journey that goes through the middle of bumfuck nowhere and takes long, I get that, but cutting this?
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 02:14:37 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What about Dorne? Forgetting all they cut, changed, etc...they butchered the fuck out of Dorne.
GavinZac ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:19:06 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And Stanley Barton, chief prick of the TV Kingdoms
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:34:13 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Game of Thrones season 4/5 spoiler
Peasant kid who had his whole family and village butchered in front of him. Only choice left in life is to join an organization at the end of the world where he has to spend his whole life working and living a celibate life with other scumbags. At least he gets to protect the realm from the wildlings so that other people don't have to go through what he did. Nope, the guy whom he looks up to and whose life he saved let's these savages through the wall that the organization has protected from said savages for close to ten thousand years.
I know what Jon did is probably for the best, but you have to see it from Olly's perspective as a confused and mentally scarred child.
Mercurse ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:17:38 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I know it's all fiction but it still bothers me that a large group of people can hate a kid for making an irrational decision in these circumstances. Would you really expect this kid to see the bigger picture ? He's stuck at the damn wall for the rest of his life because of this. And why him ? Why not hate Alliser Thorne ?
Because Olly is more than just what the character is and does, he is a symbol for a lot of the changes in the show that people dislike.
Like Olly is a character with no substance, barely any personality, who has just been used for essentially shock purposes. He's thrown into a place where he doesn't really add anything compared to what he is taking away, and the reason he is there says a lot about D&D as writers and showrunners. And it's not good things. Olly's presence in the story hasn't made it stronger, it's made it more cliche.
Like Thorne, whilst an antagonistic character, we are shown that he is a competant fighter and leader. We have reasons to somewhat like him despite him being an ass. But the same isn't true for Olly, because Olly has no real development as a character.
That's ignoring the fact the betrayal in the show is completely illogical; You have already let Wildings through the wall, and you have sworn testimony from a large number of brothers that the White Walkers are there, and what the stakes are. Killing Jon as such makes no bloody sense anymore.
Mercurse ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:21:01 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That explains why I don't hate him, I haven't read the books. To me Olly is a really unlucky kid caught in a shitstorm. I thought people hated him simply because they liked Jon and Ygritte more.
It's not just because the show changed stuff from the books, but how the show itself has changed over time from S1.
There are probably a lot of people who hate him because he's just an annoying kid who killed Ygritte and Jon, but still. There's a bigger reason to hate him.
He is one of my favorite caracters he just has lot of courage and determination for a kid his age.
Seriously can any reddit user here can imagine not wanting to kill a man thats doing bussiness with the people who killed your whole innocent village including your parents?
[deleted] ยท 3087 points ยท Posted at 16:55:48 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
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[deleted] ยท 845 points ยท Posted at 18:59:02 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
For everyone correcting this, I have to disagree. Although the line is spoken, I believe it to be so bad that it reaches into the screenplay and causes the typo.
Smailien ยท 30 points ยท Posted at 01:41:57 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The line itself isn't terrible... it's what it becomes with the next line.
"Not like you."
shudder
clwestbr ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 04:54:11 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I always feel for Hayden Christensen. He's not a half bad actor but George Lucas's directing and writing set him up for the most hate almost any actor has received. George literally made an entire fandom hate Hayden.
As long as we're correcting people, "them" is not as correct as "him or her". Yes, people do it all the time, but "them" refers to multiple people, and "him or her" is a proper way to refer to a single person of unknown sex.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:54:57 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
But it's long and ungainly and by pushing "them" to become the default gender neutral pronoun we're improving our language for future generations' benefit.
jacybear ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:31:45 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It can be confusing. If you're going to try and change the rules if the language, why not a new word? How about herm?
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 05:40:42 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Get it to catch on and become a thing. More power to you. But you'll have do a lot of internetting to get the word out.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:31:50 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Loads of people seem to take issue with this line but it seems like something he'd really say, having grown up on Tatooine. He'd absolutely loathe the intricacies of sand. Haters gonna hate.
Drudicta ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 00:05:30 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I live in the desert. Anakin totally has the right to bitch.
Runixo ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 22:56:49 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Cause, coarse, course are pretty easy to mess up when it's not your mother tongue. Next time, just poke me and say "Hey, that's not correct, do it like this." Significantly more nice for everyone.
I feel like I was just hit in the head with a bat... how did I get that wrong. As soon I read your post I was embarrassingly trying to figure out if I could fix mine with nobody noticing...
The saddest thing about Episode VII is that it demonstrates that Anakin could have maybe worked as a character, had he been written by someone who could write and acted by someone who could act.
MAY01337 ยท 224 points ยท Posted at 18:27:20 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think Anakin in The Clone Wars show is what should have been in the films.
[deleted] ยท 292 points ยท Posted at 18:53:40 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I remember reading that Christensen wanted to do the voice of Anakin in Clone Wars. The producers said no.
Mark Hamill does a ton of voice work in cartoons, I find it difficult to believe Christensen comes with a higher price tag. I mean, maybe his agent just isn't very good at striking a deal but I feel like they could have afforded him if both parties were into the idea.
Regijack ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 07:30:15 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
i imagine hamill will be easier to negotiate with since hes a fanboy himself and will mostly be doing it because he loves what he does
The prequels probably ruined his reputation as an actor, which is too bad because I think Hayden has the potential to be a great actor if he's given a good script with good dialogue.
I feel bad for him and all the actors involved in the prequels but...couldn't they have read the script first before accepting the job?
And I wouldn't blame them for thinking that way either. Who knew it was going to be that bad?
Lokmann ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 21:14:33 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Actually probably not some of the bigger movies tend to keep the script a secret until casting has been done except maybe the lines needed for casting. This is not universal though so I don't know if they handled star wars in that way. But since the name Star Wars was and is enough to rope in some big talent I'm guessing it was kept a secret until contracts were signed.
You're most likely right. If that's true then I really feel bad for them. Imagine being one of the actors chosen and you only get to look at a few lines. The lines aren't so bad and it's Star Wars! How bad could it be? Then you start filming and you realize that the script is horrible and since you've signed on a contract, you have to do 2 more movies of this shit.
People are defending Hayden a lot in this thread blaming his acting on a shitty script. That's complete bullshit, I watched episode 2 again last night, and while the script is awful, the worst thing in that movie is hands down Hayden's acting. It's just so bad, he is in scenes with good actors consistently, but literally every line he says sounds like it's some shitty drama camp over actor reciting lines from cat on a hot tin roof. It's so awful, and he's the only actor in the movie that is clearly incapable of making the dialogue tolerable. Everyone else does at least something with the script to make it believable. He's so fucking bad it hurts my soul.
Lucas is so lucky that Ewan McGregor was cast as Obi Wan because he was the only good thing about the movies and was the only actor that could make his lines somewhat believable despite the shitty writing and bizarre and abrupt tonal shifts.
With the other actors, they did their best with what they could do and at worst you were rolling your eyes (there isn't an actress on Earth that could have made the "You're breaking my heart" line work). Hayden Christensen was just bad in all aspects. Painfully bad.
Virus64 ยท 2074 points ยท Posted at 17:45:26 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hayden Christiansen was great as Anakin, just look at the scenes where he has no lines, he's terrifying as a Jedi turned Sith. The writers and director are the ones that made him terrible.
I do agree that Ewan is good, but the guy getting downvoted is a big reason why people can't show their real opinion on Reddit. Before Reddit, my friends and I liked the prequels, but as soon as they browsed Reddit, they started to hate it.
Though I agree with a lot of the criticisms, it gets overblown and when they see someones opinion get upvoted while the disagreeing comment downvoted, they take the upvoted comment as the truth.
Truth be told, I thought everyone's acting was just fine. Actually, I thought Ewan and Hayden were on par when it came to acting.
jacybear ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:33:15 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Downvotes are meaningless.
[deleted] ยท 64 points ยท Posted at 19:28:05 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's not a theory, it's just a different historical interpretation. I tell you, you rebel-sponsored revisionists are the ones with the real political bias!
just watched it the other day, i was marathoning them. he still is annoying in some parts of the film, but his acting is vastly better than in II. But when you think of how Palpatine was manipulating him, and putting those ideas in his head you begin to figure out why he was so confused.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 21:27:19 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Anakins descent is very well done, you can see it start as soon as he meets Palpatine in Episode 1. It makes it much more understandable than it was when I was 9 and ROTS came out.
Still I think they made the transition too quickly.
One moment he was pointing his lightsaber at Palpatine and then ratting him to Mace Windu, and 10 minutes later he was giving himself to the Dark Side. But still, Episode 3 was very good, even though people hate the prequels (and are right about EP1 and EP2), I just can't hate EP3.
It was a split second decision. Besides If Windu assassinated Palpatine the Jedi would be in the shithouse anyways. That would have overextended their power.
He's giving in to the dark side because he really needs to save Padame. He was already on his way there when he saw his mother die during episode 2. It literally took two episodes/movies for him to get there.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:11:07 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
As a Sith Asshole he is great but his scenes with Padme are still awful.
I know that, don't get me wrong. I just think they looked a little too bold/fake. Something slightly dimmer would've kept the cinematics whilst stopping me stepping away from the story and going 'woah those contacts are bright!'
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:19:50 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think that he had some pretty good moments, and the script was terrible, but he is a very flat actor most of the time. He was good at showing anger in RotS, but he didn't really show any other emotions.
I dunno, the thought of someone destroying an entire village as an act of revenge makes me very moist
Am a man BTW
[deleted] ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 00:54:10 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They're Sand People tho it's k
Smailien ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 01:45:10 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The more emotion you give him, the better he is. His worst scenes are those where he is trying to talk like a normal person... but saying lines that no normal person ever would.
Honestly in my opinion, that line of dialogue was one of the best delivered lines of the prequels. It perfectly encapsulated the angry and emotionally-torn personality of Anakin so well. Christensen delivered that line really well.
I was so disappointed that this was the catalyst for Anakin's turn to the dark side - sand people killing his mom? Seriously? Would have made much more sense for there to have been a Jedi battle on Tattooine where his mom is killed in the crossfire by the Jedi. Then it would be logical for him to hate and want to kill the Jedi. Or maybe Obi Wan and Padme have an real or perceived love affair behind Anakin's back - they kind of hinted at that just barely at the end of Ep III. Then he would have had a reason to feel betrayed by Obi Wan, and it would have added so much depth to Obi Wan's character and made his sense of regret in A New Hope that much more meaningful.
I don't even hate the line about sand. I accept it. The line I hate is in 3. Something like my powers have doubled since our last encounter Count Dooku. And I almost typed Cunt Dooku but auto correct fixed it the first time.
Ya honestly the most convincing feeling of hatred I have seen in a movie. You can feel the hatred in his eyes. I love it. Got to see darth vader in that moment.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:48:20 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
FarSnatch ยท 1138 points ยท Posted at 18:09:25 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I totally agree , I don't understand why everyone is hating on christensen.
The dialogue written was just fucking stupid but its not like he wrote it.
He did his job sufficiently in my opinion. In some rare moments you can even say he did a good job acting. But definitely not as bad as the hate he gets on the internet
i feel like the prequels were basically decent to really good actors being given the shittiest material to work with and doing what they could with it. i've heard that it nearly killed natalie portman's career, and now she's got a fucking oscar
UVladBro ยท 544 points ยท Posted at 19:11:28 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ewan went full ham as Obi, only way that was going to work.
I think he did a really good job. I love Ewan's Obi-Wan.
nadajoe ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 04:40:01 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ewan was the only one I liked. It seemed like he was in on a joke.
Samuel L. was stiff and rigid (more so I believe than the others, though they all were). Lance Reddick would have been better for the dialogue.
Liam Neeson and Darth Maul were killed in the first movie... what terrible decision making. Although, Liam's acting chops were already dead due to terrible writing. Can you imagine a The Grey/Taken-esque Liam Neeson as a Jedi Knight?
There's so much more. I love Star Wars, so I stomach I, II, & III. But they are bad movies. Great concepts, but train wrecks in general. The Darth Plageus novel opens up the PM a little bit more and makes it more bearable, but it's still a dumpster fire.
To be fair it's part of the quote too. "You were the chosen one! It was said that you would destroy the Sith, not join them! Bring balance to the force, not leave it in darkness!" (Anakin screams "I HATECHOOOOOOOOO!!") "You were my brother Anakin, I loved you."
rumbidzai ยท -13 points ยท Posted at 21:54:34 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
If Christensen had had the presence of mind to do the same it could possibly have worked, but he just didn't. You could give the script some of the blame, but casting him in the first place is what's really unforgivable here.
It's Star Wars and they fielded the biggest stars of the time. They could have picked anyone, but somehow pick someone that couldn't have fooled a 3 year old as santa.
edit: I guess it's just a downvote train now, but would anyone care to enlighten me on when everyone started to like Christensens performance or what they think is good about it?
kin33 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 08:16:13 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
A lot of it can come down to directing as well. George wrote the awful dialogue its probable that he also gave awful direction(he never left his fking chair).
I have no idea, they might just have given up. There's a lot of things that could have gone wrong, but nobody can honestly say his performance was even remotely ok. Even stills from the movies don't look convincing.
I've tried looking into what he did before Star Wars to be considered along people like Christoper Lee, Natalie Portman and Ewan McGregor and the only thing I can see is a possible likeness to Mark Hamill.
The greenscreen was also a big problem, you're just not going to get as good of a performance out of someone in front of one of those instead of, y'know, the actual scene their character is standing in.
Kind of a tangent, by I remember watching the first Hobbit appendices where Sir Ian McKellen had to perform with just green screen separate from Bilbo and the Dwarves (due to their sizes and filming in 3D). He was SO frustrated by the process because he was used to working the chemistry between actors instead of just, well, green objects and walls.
Kromgar ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 21:35:32 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'd argue that you a CAN get a comparable performance out of a green screen actor, you just need the RIGHT actor... and good direction. You need an actor who is great at visualizing themselves elsewhere, in place and people who aren't present.
I was playing uncharted 3 and found out the new stars wars was partly filmed in the rub al Khali desert
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:15:15 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This is cool.
Deoth ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:46:54 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Then how does voice acting work so well? Like others have said I think it falls on the writers for making the say stupid things and the director for making them say it in a stupid way.
That's not a bad point, but I think it's because voice acting is totally non-physical, puts the actors into a different mindset and there's no expectation that they'll interact with their environment.
You're also right that direction is a huge issue, and greenscreen (and probably voice acting too) relies a lot more on the director.
The apparently knock-off CGI cartoon ended up being the best part of the prequels. It was good. It made me not hate Jar-Jar quite as much. It got the pacing of action and backstory right.
What do you mean you heard that? Like someone on the inside said she was having a hard time getting work because of those movies? Based on IMDb it didn't really seem to affect her career very much.
I really don't mind them either. What is the main reason that people don't like them? I haven't watched them since I was probably 14 but I didn't think they were bad
Natalie Portman openly admitted to under-performing on purpose because she didn't want to do the films (or at least the first).
Hayden was bad, his deliveries were bad and his expressions at times just seemed out of place (looked so evil when he was supposed to be a good guy early on and when he has supposed to be redeemed when he's dead and imposed into Jedi). And he didn't do anything since to prove he could act with a better script. He has his moments, but he was mostly pretty crap in those 2 films.
Of course this is just my opinion but it's what I hear most also.
ban_this ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 21:08:40 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Natalie Portman openly admitted to under-performing on purpose because she didn't want to do the films (or at least the first).
Then why did she take the role?
when he has supposed to be redeemed when he's dead and imposed into Jedi
I think the Jedi footage was taken from a screen test or something like that. Lucas cut and pasted his head from that into the scene. So you can't fault him for that one, he wasn't even knowingly doing that role.
Really Lucas was just casting based off how people looked. Christensen looked pretty cool, especially in RotS, it's just that when he spoke it was all wrong.
Her agent essentially made her do it and she was still a child and children don't think things through. I mean she was good in Leon even younger and she is obviously successful since with her Oscar etc. So that leans towards it being true, though it could be a wild rumour. But at least she's proven that she can act. Christensen however...
If you watch the "behind the scenes" on revenge of the Sith, he acts pretty well. Lucas kept coming up to him and telling him to tone it all down "in order to see the transgression to the dark side"
haha totally believable. Lucas definitely has a hand to play in how bad acting was in all 3 films. But it was just so consistent, I can't imagine he would've been necessarily good with a better/different director.
msut77 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:54:56 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Somethings that were cool ended being ruined for me. Like the Kashyyk D-Day scene (thank you Lucas for the Spielberg envy) where the Wookies et al. leave defensive cover to attack robots on the beach. Not sure if I come off like a crazy person, the ewoks had rocks and pointy sticks.
Exactly. Christiansen was given shit to work with, no one could have saved those lines in those movies. I feel so bad for him for the hate he gets; he wasn't the writer, none of it was his fault. A good actor can adlib lines to help, but you can't just adlib two entire movies.
I still don't like him as an actor though, but that's because of other movies I've seen him in. I give everyone in the prequels a pass for jumping at the name 'Star Wars' before realizing what hell they were getting into.
ban_this ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 21:10:53 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't really fault Christiansen, he was miscast. He didn't have a voice that made me think he'd become Darth Vader. Add to that the shitty dialog and he was fucked.
saors ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:09:56 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The only other movie I've seen him in was Jumper and I enjoyed the film, although it's been a long time since I've seen it and I could just be nostalgic...
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 20:45:01 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
When Obi Wan tells Padme about the younglings... You know Ewan is trying but it's just such God awful writing.
yeah I think that at times Portman and McGregor appear to be acting badly too which proves it's not the actors fault.
piscano ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:20:53 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
One of those rare moments: I thought the scene in III when Padme first tells him she's pregnant... his stuttering confusion and gravity of it hitting him, then resigning into a "everything's gonna be alright" attitude was pretty damn good.
Why, everyone hates on him? I've seen wood with more emotion than him. There was absolutely no chemistry between him and Natalie Portman. Sometimes this can be fixed by the editor, or the director, but you can't put his wooden performance completely on the writing. Yes, the writing was bad, but his acting was bad, like, soap opera level bad.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:20:41 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
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ban_this ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 21:13:22 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Shouldn't they blame Tarkin? he was the guy in charge in the first one. And the Emperor was running the show with the second Death Star. Vader was fully in charge in ESB, and he got shit done.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:25:05 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ewan McGregor and Ian Diarmid had the same quality of dialogue and they were great.
nadarko ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:43:27 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's a shame that 90% of scripts are made without the actors input. I think that most movies would see a marked improvement in a movie's dialog if the the writer had an actor to be his foil.
lava172 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:48:43 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It doesn't help that his delivery on every single fucking line in Episode 3 is horrible.
If there's a Hollywood writer or director reading this right now, you could strike gold by casting Hayden Christensen in a well-written role and rebooting his career. There are tons of us out here who really feel like he got a raw deal in the prequels.
I hate him because the actor who played darth vader in th OT was invited to cameo at the end of episode 3 and be the guy in the suit, but then apparently Hayden put up a huge stink and demanded that he wear the suit, but he was to short and had to wear stilts. Also I heard he was the main reason that Anikin's force ghost was changed at the end of episode six.
I believe there's an interview where he stated that he hated the lines and didn't say anything about it because it was the biggest role of his life and didn't want to fuck with Grand Emperor Lucas
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:27:55 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I thought he was great too! I've watched a lot of The Clone Wars series with my kid and I think it's closer to the original trilogy in spirit than the prequels were. It's kind of sad to watch though because it makes me think of what the prequels could have been if they'd been better written and directed. I think all the actors in the prequels did great with what they had to work with and that it's unfair that Hayden Christiansen alone has to bear the brunt of the poor writing, directing, characterization, and bad fan reception. He did a good job, lets cut the poor guy some slack.
Yeah I agree. All the actors in the prequels could have had much better performances if the script/dialogue wasn't so awful. The characters in the prequels have no personality and it's because they don't really know how to act with the lines they were given.
He's actually a marvelous actor. If you haven't seen it, take the time to watch Shattered Glass, which features him as the main character. Easily one of my favorite movies and he is FANTASTIC in it.
This is my favorite movie that no one has ever heard of. So excellent from start to finish. To me, Peter Saarsgard steals the show but basically everyone is great in it.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:24:38 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Exactly, watch Life as a House or Shattered Glass. Dude can definitely act as can Nadalie Portman. It was completely director/writing that lead to their abortion of a performance
Not to be confrontational, but it's because the guy can't act for shit. My mother saw him in a stage show, and said he was exactly the same: a whiney, angsty teen.
Almost every line has the same, shoddy delivery and his emotions were extremely flat. The only time I felt genuine emotion was when he was burning at the end of Episode III.
It didn't help that Ewan McGregor pulled a good performance out of nothing, so Hayden was constantly forced (in vain) to compete with him.
Idk, have you seen his other movies, like "glass" (i think). Acted exactly the same, but I think he had more to go on. I hated the character more for the actor than the character himself. But, it may just be me.
Wazula42 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:46:11 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm sorry, I have to disagree. He's wooden as balls. He's got a worse monotone than Keanu Reeves. When he has to stand in one place and glare at the camera he's mildly effective. But even with the benefit of the doubt I just can't enjoy his performance for one tiny moment.
Great? His delivery was stilted, his voice was nasally and didn't carry at all. You could have had him read Shakespeare and it would have sounded hollow.
Christensen is a force of nature when he's not saying anything. The attack on the Jedi Temple scene and the scene where he slaughters the Separatist leaders is goddamn terrifying. And it ends with him glaring, Sith-eyed and murderous, giving his very best glare of pain and hate directly into the audience.
Agreed, he did well with the shit lines and terrible direction he was given. Even Liam Neeson, Samuel L. Jackson, Natalie Portman, and Ewan McGregor couldn't elevate their respective characters from what George provided them with.
IICVX ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:58:53 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah there's this youtube channel with three videos about "what if episode (1, 2, 3) was good?" where the guy talks about changes he'd make to the prequels, and a lot of what he says makes a ton of sense and are total "duh, why didn't they do that?" moments.
Like one big thing: change Naboo to Alderaan. It's so blatantly obvious in retrospect. Why wouldn't we spend a large portion of the first three movies getting attached to a planet that then blows up later? How else is Princess Leia going to be a, well, princess of Alderaan?
I know this is too late to really be relevant, but I feel like I have to say... It's not Christiansen's "acting" or general presence on screen that gets me, its his delivery of the lines. A lot of his lines are similar to Kylo Ren's "I'm being torn apart" line, but his delivery is just not as good as Driver's. He doesn't convey emotion to me very well, and kind of always has that awkward feeling like when he's hitting on Padme before she realizes she's interested in him.
After watching them again recently I think I've decided that Hayden wasn't that bad it's just that Anakin is a massive douche. Hardly any redeeming qualities as a character, which perhaps is the point?
tofleet ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:40:15 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hayden did a fairly good job as Anakin considering what he had to work with in the prequel trilogy.
Anakin Skywalker in The Clone Wars TV series (2008-2014 and is also official Disney Canon), is an excellent representation of Anakin Skywalker and explains many of the reasons for why he eventually fell to the dark side. The show goes into greater depth about the relationship between Anakin and Padme along with introducing a brand new character that is arguably the best canon character outside of an official film (Ahsoka Tano).
All of his scenes in The Clone Wars help set up Vader in the original trilogy and in Star Wars Rebels.
Count Dooku and Palpatine are vastly better represented and represent truly terrifying villians in the animated series.
EDIT: For those of you who don't think Hayden did a fairly good job, I will point out the other major actors. Christopher Lee, Natalie Portman, and Ewan Mcgregor are all very good actors. However good acting can only do so much with the mess that the prequels were.
I can't see Ahsoka being better than Fives. The amount of depth we get from a Clone is amazing, especially since we follow most of his career throughout all six seasons.
I bring up Ahsoka since she's so heavily tied to Anakin and because she shows up later in Rebels. Fives was a fantastic character as well and his story arc was well written.
Vundal ยท 24 points ยท Posted at 21:09:00 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Also asoka is THE straw that breaks anakin's back concerning his problems with the Jedi Council. Their handling of him in Revenge is just icing at that point .
The movies make it like he dived right into the dark side because of Padme. However The Clone Wars series shows a lot of little steps here and there as well as the manipulation on behalf of Palpatine that show why Anakin fell.
Vundal ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:49:28 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah it's pretty great. Also the growth of the republic into the empire (tech wise) is really clever
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:24:42 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm sorry I probably didn't pay attention to that, could you point out how that took place?
Vundal ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 03:57:50 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So actually we see the republic's walkers go from 6 to 4 legs and the development of 2 leg walkers as well at the end of the series we see yoda get into a Jedi star fighter that looks exactly like a tie fighter. You even see the trooper armor change into what will become the storm troopers
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:04:56 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
great now I have a reason to rewatch the series
h00ter7 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 21:32:11 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Plus we get to see her abandon the Jedi order, and not turn to the dark side.
Though Little Soka walks away of her own accord, it is not that she has abandoned the Jedis, but that the Jedis have abandoned and failed her.
I think somewhere along the lines the Order is just failing at humanity (regardless of species). People have strengths and weaknesses, and needs. Anakin has fears and rage, and unspeakable love for Padme. Obi Wan himself nearly left the order because of the love of a woman (we learn in The Clone Wars).
It appears to me that the Order just isn't equipped to deal with the great struggles of the heart. That's why the Dark Side is so tempting... It knows what the heart wants.
I've never been so proud of a character as I am of Little Soka though. I'm so, so proud she didn't go back to the Order.
h00ter7 ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 23:08:58 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Your statement goes along with my favorite quote in the SW universe, "Only a Sith deal in absolutes."
I just love the fact that Anakin is so wrong about so many things, but not about the hypocrisy of the Jedi Order. Ahsoka, recognized it when she left, and Anakin had a front row seat to that debacle. Even better that Obi-Wan, Anakin's moral center, proves the hypocrisy with that line.
It's weird when you look at the prequels and the old clone wars cartoon (made by the guy who made Samurai Jack I believe) after watching the CGI clone wars. The clones are no different than the droids besides having fleshy bits in those two. Everyone (especially the clones) have better personalities and don't feel like wood.
Hey don't diss the old clone wars cartoon. That was pure, distilled badassery on screen! Like the part when Grievous takes on like 5 jedi at once. Or the part when Mace Windu single-handedly takes out an entire battalion of droids.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:06:49 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Mace Windu turned him into a coughing pussy with the force. He crushed his chest armour, which fucked up his lungs and probably gave him a healthy fear of Jedi that he used to hunt for fun.
That was retconned, as he has the cough in the new Clone Wars cartoon. He is okay sometimes in that but still basically an ineffectual pansy. I think he's killed literally one jedi on screen.
Tell that to the Muunilist 10 (the clones you see take down a goddamn city in the cartoon).
Personally, I liked that cartoon because it showed the Clones, especially the ARCs, as the utter badasses they were instead of canon fodder.
Debug200 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 22:41:19 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think his point was about their character development, not their capabilities. Yes, they showed incredible military skill but they had basically zero character development.
If you liked that, I highly recommend reading the Republic Commando series. It's no longer canon, but it's about a bunch of clones and the Mandalorians who trained them, and it really focuses on the people behind the helmets. Some of the characters even got a cameo in TCW, so that's cool.
Since you mentioned Rebels, is it any good? I watched a few minutes and it seems really cheesy and obviously meant to appeal to kids. Could an adult enjoy it?
00antho ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 21:30:19 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I just caught up to Rebels and it's no more cheesy or childish than Clone Wars was. I think most adults would like it.
Its not quite as dark as the later seasons of Clone Wars, but its still fairly good. I personally would watch Clone Wars first since a major plot character in Rebels is from there.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 20:04:49 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
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WollieNL ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:11:04 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If you wanna read up on some cool sith stuff, go read the Darth Bane trilogy. They're written by the head writer of the Mass Effect series and are most likely the best book series I've ever read.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:11:09 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Jumping in here to say I'm super excited to start what you're doing! I've got the first Darth Bane on hold at the library (skipping most of Old Republic b/c I just started playing KOTOR for the first time) and I've mapped out all the books I want to read chronologically. Sort of a New Years thing. I was so impressed with The Force Awakens that I decided it was time to explore the EU.
Shout out to /r/starwarsEU for anyone looking for more info on the books and other stuff.
Also, I went to HS with a Jade Green, but I don't know his middle name, haha.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:00:15 on January 4, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Of those 3 you mentioned (plus Samuel L. Jackson), I think only Ewan Mcgregor was good. The dialogues were so forced, so stupid sometimes. And they didn't have someone with a brain telling them they can and should do better.
ยซRidley's massive case of the nerves explains how her early days on the Star Wars: The Force Awakens lead to J.J. Abrams labeling her first performances as "wooden."ยป
And despite all the criticism on her character, people agreed that Daisy Ridley's performance was great.
So...why was that? I assume that it was because she had a director simply telling her "your performances suck, you can do better than that, so do it".
You could see some talent in Hayden. He had some lines delivered very well and some parts where he simply didn't speak.
It's no coincidence that some of the greatest actors of those years sounded wooden and boring.
Sorry I didn't mention Samuel L. Jackson, who is an amazing and very talented actor, since he doesn't have nearly as much screen time as the main characters or is a major villian like Christopher Lee's character was.
John Boyega and Daisy Ridley had spot on performances and John was absolutely hilarious. The chemistry between them two was great as well as their chemistry with Harrison Ford.
Wife wants to see TFA, but has never watched any SW, so we've been going through them. Just finished OT, and it's been several years for me. Found myself noticing the dialogue. Really cheesy at times, but the actors somehow make it sound OK. Never noticed as a kid, but it's super obvious now. Still super enjoyable, but Lucas is definitely a "big idea" guy.
Most definitely. I've only just recently started watching this, and for me, it takes what little we knew of the man named Anakin Skywalker from the original trilogy (fought in the Clone Wars, great pilot, good friend), and really fleshes out those aspects of the character, whereas I felt the prequels, having a limited frame of time, were really only able to work with the end game of "must become Darth Vader by the time episode III wraps up". I find that I'm able to look upon the prequels more positively having this series as a companion piece.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:49:32 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Are you talking about the 3D animated series or the 2D style one? Do I have to watch both?
The Clone Wars Movie, Season 1, and 2 are pretty bad. I'd only watch the required episodes (I'm sure you could watch them) as they are very much made for kids. Season 3 and on is made for mature audiences.
Some new people aren't too interested in the EU since it no longer has any bearing on the films since its considered obsolete and no longer being updated (I still like the EU, but as an entity separate from the official canon).
EU has some great stuff and I always recommend exploring it as some of the new canon is being borrowed from it (Jacen Solo = Ben Solo-ish). Also a huge fan of The Old Republic era, especially KOTOR 1 and 2. SWTOR is also great, but its an MMO and may not be for everyone.
Interesting. My instinct is that I don't care what some room full of executives decides is "canon" or not, but I'm new to the whole thing. I grabbed the Star Wars special on steam, so I've got a bunch of cool shit to work through, including all those you mentioned. TFA really reinvigorated my excitement for Star Wars!
dpash ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:57:11 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Portman is responsible for one of the worst pieces of acting in the trilogy in AotC when she's knocked out of a craft. She's unconscious on the floor and some comes over to her and she immediately jumps up and runs off back into the battle. I'm willing to believe it's just bad direction, but that scene makes me feel things I haven't felt since Affleck's introduction in Mallrats.
Having seen her acting prior to Star Wars in films like Leon: The Professional and Everyone Says I Love you, I must admit that while she isn't the seasoned professional that she is now, Attack of the Clones was extremely bad. I would say its actually worse than Phantom Menace, but not by much. Perhaps if she was the only bad actor in the trilogy, but everyone was made to look bad due to the trilogy's writing and direction.
LDM123 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:02:15 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
As someone who's seen little to none of the clone wars, ELI5?
The Clone Wars is an animated tv series/movie that takes place during Episodes 2 and 3 of the prequel trilogy. It is 6 seasons and a movie (Hey a Community reference!) that tells several major story arcs that go into great detail about the universe's lore, The Clone Wars itself, and gives great reasons for the set up and events that take place in Episode 3. Episode 3 alone feels a bit hollow and disjointed; The Clone Wars goes a long way to making fans appreciate episode 3 a lot more as it shows the little steps that bridge the gap between episode 2 and 3.
It also fleshes out many characters seen on screen for only a brief moment such as Aalya Secura, Ki-Adi Mundi, Plo Koon, Count Dooku, General Grievous, and more. It also goes on to explain Palpatine's Sith prowess and how he was able to stay hidden while literally surrounded by Jedi. It also shows Anakin's descent into the dark side with little steps, rather than the gigantic leap and face heel turn he did between episodes 2 and 3.
It also introduces several new, official Disney canon, characters such as the amazing Ahsoka Tano, Cad Bane, and many more. It also even pulls characters from the original trilogy like Bossk and Dengar.
Watch The Clone Wars animated series (2008-2014) and Star Wars Rebels; they are the closest media you'll get to official Disney canon outside of books/comics.
Skip the movie and most of season 1 and 2. Only watch the required episodes from those two seasons (find what fans recommend). Watch season 3+, those episodes are astounding (with the exception of a few that you can skip).
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:40:31 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Couldn't agree more, the characters in Clone Wars had so much more depth than they had on film. Dooku was terrifying, Anakin was a total badass, even Jar Jar was less annoying and even charming at times. Every SW fan should watch this series.
The Mace Windu + Jar Jar episodes were actually quite good since they paired off the comedic Jar Jar with the super serious Windu. It had a great buddy cop dynamic.
I don't get why everyone loves the cartoon show so much. Don't get me wrong, I like it, but I don't think it's as good as the movies. I think the writing is really cheesy and the voice acting isn't anything special. Having said that, I'm only 5 episodes in so it could get better
Season 1 and 2 is definitely made for children and the movie is complete garbage. You can honestly skip a lot of episodes, but I'd look online for the episodes that are required viewing.
Season 3 and onward are amazing and demonstrate the shift from a kids' audience to a more mature one.
Understand that the first two and a half seasons aren't amazing. The show gets WAY better after the half-way point, and some of the much later arcs are pretty damn dark, and would make good movies unto themselves (Carnage of Krell, The Wrong Jedi, and Order 66 specifically. All long 4-5 episode arcs).
Also, watch it in chronological order. Some shit gets weird and out of place because the air dates of episodes are sort of messed up. Several awesome storylines will only make sense this way.
Hayden Christensen is a good actor, but the sand lines aren't his words, he just has to read them and with a director saying "you don't like sand" as his guidance. He did the best with what he had available
The hate for Hayden Christensen in the prequels is misplaced IMO. Christensen filmed one of my favorite movies between Episode II and III, called Shattered Glass. In it, he portrays a character in similar tone to Anakin. He plays Stephen Glass, a young writer who fabricated most of his articles over several years. (a true story) His web of lies start to fall apart in front of his editor. (the movie also features a breakout performance from Peter Sarsgaard.) Anyway, we know he's got the acting chops to play a role like Anakin, because he absolutely nails it in Shattered Glass. It was the terrible dialogue and directing that ruined the role.
Actors like Liam Neeson, Natalie Portman, Samuel L Jackson, and Ewan McGregor were shit with Lucas' dialogue but for some reason people call Christansen a bad actor. It wasn't the actor.
Motivation? Arguably. But as a character, he is much more convincing. He legitimately comes across as conflicted, self-destructive, and with very poor impulse control, rather than as a wooden cut-out.
...Have you bothered to look at the responses to this post? If one of us is 'riding the dick of the circlejerk', as you put it, then it certainly isn't me.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:56:18 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Some one mentioned that if you watch some of the behind the scenes stuff you can see Hayden deliver the lines a lot better then Lucas cuts in an corrects him and tells him to do it again.
I always felt like his lines and the way he spoke made him seem hardcore mentally ill. It made more sense to me that way in the context of his problems.
The same thing happened to everyone in twilight. They're all decent enough actors. Especially Kristen Stewart. She's cursed with people actually thinking she's a bad actress because she was in a poorly written movie based off a poorly written book by a terrible book writer. Kristen Stewart played Bella so well, people actually think she's bad at her job.
EwanMe ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:25:01 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Kylo Ren was just as much of a whiner as Anakin. It baffles me that nobody cares about Ben Solo being a bitch when you never hear the end of it with Anakin. Episode VII's plot was just a copy of Ep. IV, but the movie itself is nothing. Ep. VII did so many cheesy references to the OT that without the OT it doesn't make any sense. Newsflash: Episode VII was the cashgrab of the decade and nobody cares 'cause now JJ Abrams has licked the asses of all those neckbeards on the internet that hates the prequels for no other reason than to hate it. Now they got themselves a couple of hours of Star Wars re-run that looks more like a Michael Bay film. And the worst thing is that everybody is now praising the little crybaby called Ben Solo as if there is much of a difference between him and the PT's Anakin. The hypocrisy is strong in this one.
[deleted] ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 23:58:55 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
To this day I still have no idea why everyone hates that line so much. I don't see what's so bad about it. Something like "From my point of view the Jedi are evil!" is far far worse.
Randall taught me that I will be disliked for not conforming and trying to act responsible, but it will be interpreted as being a snitch.
However, Randall's character taught me that he wasn't reporting things because they were wrong, but because he liked the power that came with getting others in trouble.
Jerlko ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 22:14:21 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
joesap9 ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 23:50:06 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It was immigants, I knew it was dem, even when it was the bears I knew it was dem
shivvvy ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 01:07:16 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Let bears pay the bear tax! I pay the Homer tax!
[deleted] ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 20:45:31 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
FUCK randy from that 70s show. He was just a really shitty replacement for Eric. Like a really really shitty one.
Algaroth ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:17:01 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I have no recollection at all of his character. Googled him and still don't remember him. I can't remember anything more than Eric being in Africa or something. The rest is just blank. I assume I have some selective trauma related amnesia but I'll chalk that up to my brain having my best interest in mind.
You should watch it again just to be sure you don't remember it.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:09:13 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah he had the worst cheesy jokes, his chemistry with the others didn't fit because they were so used to acting and he was a little off beat. It would have been sort of ok in the first season but adding an actor with a small cast who is so in sync in the last fucking season was such a stupid move. Also he was just a really bad character and even in the first season he would have felt hokey and generic.
[deleted] ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 20:52:50 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I personally didn't hate any character from Recess, except that asshole undercover agent, and even then, I just blamed the kids for not recognising a grown ass man was concealing himself as a 10 year old and they didn't even realize.
Yeah I hated Randy , that's Eric's girl you bastard ! ahaha
Cupybora ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:58:46 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My flatmates had that 70s show playing in the background from start to finish a lot of the time a few weeks ago, and we'd all just walk in when someone had pressed play on netflix and watch some of it.
In the last season everyone who came in and saw Randy said "who the fuck is that?" and to this day none of us have any idea where he came from or why.
Furoan ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 01:35:20 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
I didn't mind Randall. Yeah he was a snitch but he had some fun episodes dedicated to himself, like the time he tried the blackmail the gang into pretending to be his friends when his father was coming to school (the father was just like he was, and was weirded out by his son having friends).
There were a few hateable characters in Recess but Randal was so non personal with his 'evil' its hard to actually hate him. Yeah he wants to screw you over but its not PERSONAL.
Some of the stunts the Ashley's pulled probably fit better. The Rating Game in particular. Though as somebody said the undercover adult agent, aht new principle, the guy that wanted to bring in a new ice age to raise test scores. All the really detestable characters were adults.
Watch the Clerks movies. Randall is easily the best.
RRettig ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:10:50 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Why do the bad guys/ hated guys always have my name? Think Randal from monsters inc. There is even a gay guy in futurama named randy. Also Austin powers ruined it. To this day people still ask if they make me randy. Oh that is the first time I ever heard that.
Recess isn't a part of nerd culture. Neither is That 70s Show
[deleted] ยท 2892 points ยท Posted at 17:50:13 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Lori and Andrea on The Walking Dead. I would go into instant rage whenever they came on screen.
Foamie ยท 308 points ยท Posted at 19:40:50 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I hated Andrea in the show. Every decision she makes is a stupid decision. In particular the episode where she shoots Daryl after being told by literally every person on the farm to not do anything is so infuriating.
Endyo ยท 25 points ยท Posted at 03:03:22 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah even if you take away the perspective of the viewer knowing the truth about everything, her decisions are still extremely poor. Then she dies after spending an hour plus trying to monkey foot a pair of pliers or whatever. It's like they wrote that character just to make no sense and frustrate the viewer.
[deleted] ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 05:54:27 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I quit watching TWD after that scene. It made me so fucking mad, it completely killed my interest in the entire series. None of the characters are worth a damn besides Darrell. They're all whiny, useless pussies that should have died on day one of the zombie apocalypse. TWD is just a soap opera with zombies.
That was a low point for the series but it definitely picked up after that. Once they finish the Governor story arc, it finally turned into a good show.
Endyo ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 13:13:20 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They dragged that out about 200% more than they needed to. The Governor was a good character and played well, but it did not need to be nearly a season and a half of his antics.
I actually hated Michonne in that plotline. There's literally no indication that anything's wrong - the only reason we know is because it's a zombie show - and yet she immediately knows there's something evil afoot, for no reason, always giving that stupid anime scowl. At least give us some indication of what's making her suspect shit.
Endyo ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 13:05:46 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
In general, everything about the Governor was handled better in the comic. I think they just found a good actor to play him and wanted to milk the sweet bejesus out of it by writing in a whole convoluted plotline. The comic even used the whole thing to get rid of the baby that is now just this thing they have to throw in every so often. Even as it so clearly illustrates how Carl has aged six years while the baby has only made it six months.
For all the show does right, the poor writing of the third season still haunts the show.
The part with Beth trying to commit suicide pissed me off the most. Andrea says stuff like "We have to let her decide for herself if she wants to live or not, like I did!" It's like what are you talking about?Bitch, you chose to die! If it wasn't for Dale forcing you to leave the exploding CDC building, you'd be dead right now! You were even pissed off at dale for forcing you to live for like 2 episodes before you decided living was alright. Still pisses me off to think about to this day.
Dang, I had to look this up on youtube because it's been so long I forgot all about it. Now I kinda want to watch it all again and see what else I forgot, but at the same time I also don't really want to have to deal with all that Lori and Andrea in the first few seasons...
In the show's context though they were all being kind of dumb for not letting her have some target practice. Just because the viewer knows he wasn't a zombie, doesn't mean the characters do.
I think the main issue is that TWD is just a shittily written show alltogether.
Can confirm; Just watched that episode for the first time yesterday.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:41:16 on January 7, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Exactly. She chooses to ignore all the warnings from Michonne like the fucking idiot she is and decides to stay in the town of the governor which eventually leads to her death. What annoyed me more is how much screen time they decided to give her rather than the character's annoyingness itself. Also this is the first time I've come across someone who dislikes Andrea as much as I do.
bobapanda ยท 1004 points ยท Posted at 18:31:59 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Andrea is entirely different in the comics, though. Can't say the same for Lori.
I liked comic Carol. Imagine you are in the apocalypse and the only thing holding it together is your love of another person. Then that guys cheats on you.
Qwertdd ยท 29 points ยท Posted at 23:09:12 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I reread TWD a little while ago. The best part? Knowing what happens so I can skip any page that had Carol speaking in it.
I think the issue is Darabont casted his friends instead of looking for the right actors to fit the characters. After AMC kicked Darabont they had to work with what they had.
That's all I could think during the comics, it's like the TV show reversed their roles.
[deleted] ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 20:42:42 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I do not like tv Carol. Something about her bothers me
cgome1 ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 22:04:08 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Going to be vague because I can't spoiler tag on mobile:
After she killed that one sick person she changed (or at least you notice that she changed) and then again when she killed the psycho person. I like her because she's badass, but she's.... Cold? I'm not sure what the right description is, but it makes her a little less likeable when she's like that.
See I like the fact she is cold. To me it shows how she is adapting to the new world. She still has love in her, she just knows that this world is unforgiving. She plays the game because the game has changed. She does what has to be done without question.
The only thing I didn't like was that she was mean to that little boy. I was kind of hoping she would have her "motherly love" come back a little to show that she still is a loving person deep down.
I love Carol because she's cold. She and Rick are some of the only characters who consistently hold it together and make the hard decisions. Everyone else makes the same fucking mistakes over and over again. "Are you suuuure we have to kill this guy? I know last time we let someone go they came back and killed half the group, but maybe this time will be different!" It's never different!
Rick is the decision-maker of the group, and Carol is the enforcer. She doesn't fuck around and I love that. One of the most recent episodes pissed me off when (and I'll be vague as well so as not to spoil anything) Mr. "I can't kill" took it upon himself to go behind everyone's back, and now look what happened.
There's a whole scene between her and Tyrese discussing whether to split up, Carol going off with Lizzie while Ty takes baby Judith. Then they decide the best course of action for all is to take the little girl that doesn't understand the concept of death or zombification, out of the equation.
Carol still has some morals but is far more cold and calculating. She only saw the girl as a risk/liability after the emotional attachment. The governor on the other hand....
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 22:53:08 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not saying she doesn't have morals, just that she has no problem choosing between two evils haha
Um, no. She just didn't wake up and murder a little girl. The little girl in question (Lizzie) killed her little sister (Mika) and planned to kill the baby too (Judith). Carol discussed what to do with Tyreese and they both came to the conclusion that Lizzie can't be in this world, and Carol executed her.
Carol was fucking distraught after this, Tyreese too, and both went separate directions mentally. Carol distanced herself from children and isn't afraid to kill to keep her 'family' safe. Tyreese couldn't bear to kill again and even zoned out at the picture of the two twin brothers.
I got a bit carried away but, yeah. The episode you mentioned is one of my favourites.
Yeah but in all fairness, that kid really needed to die. Having never taken a life I can't draw from experience, but I don't think I would be that bothered (in that situation) taking out someone so obviously disturbed, child or not.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:29:42 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think you would, unless you're mentally disturbed. Killing a person takes a toll, especially a kid.
oh yeah I'm not saying it wouldn't effect me at all, just much less then if she were healthy happy stable child and it wasn't the Zombie Apocalypse. I honestly would have done something long before Carol did.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:37:19 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
colds a good word. shes just so sketchy that i kind of like her character. she currently seems like she has the ability to do damn near anything if it helps her with her ideas, no mater how dark they may be.
Tartra ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 00:29:01 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well, that's where they're delving into on the show now. The Carol versus Morgan shenanigans is 'Survival at all costs' against 'Mercy and morality'. With the break ended, the meeting of those two extremes is either going to get one of them killed (there's a teeny chance the writers don't know what else to do with Carol and decide to clip her off in a huge, dramatic death while she's still popular) or force both of them to meet in the middle.
That coldness is coming in for a thaw.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:03:28 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And both her and Carol made a hundred times more sense in the comic than the walking mental handicap and the pseudo-lesbian non-character the show came up with.
Endyo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:58:45 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Comic Carol was dead practically as soon as she started having things to say.
Comic Carol really wasn't bad. She was hardcore into stereotypical suburban mom hobbies like book clubs and knitting but she was very open and understanding and had a progressive view of relationships. But, ultimately, she chose to commit suicide because she had low self-esteem and couldn't handle the loneliness.
They clearly dropped the ball on Andrea so they worked to make Carol the new Andrea. I'm ok with it.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:38:17 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Sorry to correct you but this isn't accurate. Sasha is the direct analog to comic Andrea. (lots and lots of spoilers ahead for the uninitiated.)
In the comic Andrea and Dale are a couple. Dale gets bitten and doesn't tell anyone and then gets accosted by the cannibals after the events of the prison (the cannibals are identical to the Terminus folks but they weren't a sedentary community in the comics if memory serves). Bob in this case filled in for Dale, and just like Dale in the comic, Bob becomes romantically involved with Sasha, gets bitten and loses a leg to the cannibals. An episode or two later they develop Sasha into the sharpshooter of the group and she eventually becomes the lookout for Alexandria, just as Andrea did in the comics.
There might be minor differences of course, as the show's writers are mixing and diverging characters from the comic, but these major plot points pretty much correspond between Andrea and Sasha evenly.
Not true. Comic Andrea runs a near exact parallel with Sasha in the show. I feel as if the show writers realized that the hole they left with how poorly they wrote Andrea forced them into creating this Comic Andrea like character in Sasha, even down to the events with Bob.
Nah, even Lori is better in the comics, not much different, but better. She calls Rick on his shit when it's necessary rather than just "ooooh noooooo, I just got you back, don't go get those things that we really need, I don't care if you're the best suited person for it, booooo hoooooo".
Oh shit, I should probably read the comics. Honestly, I don't get all the hate for Lori though. The again, I might just like her because I think of her as Sarah Tancredi.
It's an awesome read. I definitely recommend it. I have a link I have saved at work so I can keep up with them online. It's cool to watch the differences between the show and the comic and make predictions of what's happening next. For instance: a great many of us nerds got very excited when Negan was mentioned in the most recent episode.
It's more than that, though. It's like watching the people your know go in completely different directions and end up with similar endings. Some characters you know survive died, and many you saw die are still up and around even years later. In fact, the comics are literally years beyond the show but because of how they handle things it doesn't feel like a spoiler for the show.
Oh, and some characters are so much more likable, like Andrea for instance.
Whereas show Lori is like "Do it Rick, kill him!" and then when he does she's all "What?! Omg why would you do that? What is wrong with you?"
Trillen ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:49:52 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Andrea was a boss in the comics
jdr393 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:25:23 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
*is
Trillen ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:31:55 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I just said was because I've stopped reading the comics. Didn't mean to give out apparent spoilers
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:58:03 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Comic Lori was a lot better than show Lori. When she does in the comic it hurt. I felt like I got shot in the stomach while carrying my infant child in front of me. I was happy when show Lori died.
This is why I have a hard time watching the show. Comic Andrea is a stone cold badass and one of my favorite characters.
Also we missed out on Michonne scooping out the Governor's eye with a spoon.
strangea ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 11:28:51 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I went back to re-watch the seasons with my girlfriend and just finished season 2 last night. I 100% agree with your statement. Every time they come on screen I get so angry. Their faces are so stupid looking!
My reason for hating her is she is selfish and only cares for herself. She needed to be the alpha female and achieved this rank by sleeping with the person who had the utmost authority in the group (Shane and then Rick). She was a terrible mother and a hypocrite constantly going on about how she wanted a better world for her son and yet constantly lost Carl or placed him with someone else. In addition to this she refused to accept the new terms of the world which are, something or someone will try to fucking kill you, so you need to learn how to defend yourself. I could go on and on but I am on mobile.
Tldr Lori is a selfish bitch.
Her only character trait was to do the most selfish thing, which would inevitably screw everyone (but especially Rick). She didn't do a single thing to benefit the group.
Exactly. She was only out for herself and consistently without fail fucked everything up. I cannot recall a single scene where she did anything beneficial for the group. I mean for fucks sake it's the zombie apocalypse, your think that learning how to properly handle and discharge a firearm be one of the things you learn. But no by all means, let's stick to 1950's gender roles and have the men provide the protection... God I hate that woman.
Thank heavens she saved her though. I couldn't have survived with out the singing and the WHAT HAPPENED TO BETH!?!?!?!?!? episodes.
I know she did have her good points, the world needs optimists, but she seemed like she was added so she could be (spoiler alert) killed off in a not that meaningful way.
I could spin everything I said previous to justify her decisions. I'm just saying the main reason I hate her is because she clings to the rules of the old world. Call it maintaining your humanity or whatever you want, but if Carl didn't know how to shoot then he would have been dead 100 times over.
[deleted] ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 19:28:29 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
She puts Shane and Rick at odds, the only dudes who are trained with weapons and truly capable of protecting the group when there is a fucking apocolypse going on (at least in the first two seasons); She was weak and needy, and her only motives were for helping herself (ex. asking Glenn to risk his ass to get pregnancy vitamins, when she really needed to get an abortion for the betterment of the whole group); She couldnt fight worth a damn, and really had zero useful skills to contribute to the group; She was a terrible mom, constantly losing Carl or letting him wander off somewhere dangerous. She puts extra stress on Rick by making him feel guilty when he makes decisions for the good of the group when she doesnt agree with it. Oh man, I would have thrown her to the walkers if I was in the group. Thin the herd.
Nope, Shane put Shane and Rick at odds. All Lori wanted was to stop fucking Shane.
Atrius ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 21:23:41 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Shane became a part of the family when Rick was gone. When they found out he was alive, Lori basically ostracized Shane and said stuff like "Don't you come near my son.
It's understandable that she wanted to go back to Rick but she acted like Shane was completely dead to her.
Even if she did that, that's not her putting Shane at odds with Rick.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:57:26 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
There was a conversation between Lori and Shane leading up to the fight, were Lori talked about missing their relationship a little bit, which Shane interpreted as getting ride of Rick would get them back together
If it wasn't intentional (maybe wanted one gone to make the baby situation simple), then it was jut plain stupid.
Lori talked about missing their relationship a little bit
Nope, that was Lori attempting to bury the hatchet after Dale died. The theme of Rick's eulogy speech was essentially, "We honor Dale by being united." Lori took that message to heart and went to Shane to try and make amends. It's not her fault Shane was fucking cuckoo by then and took that as, "I should totally kill Rick now."
She asked Glen to get her abortion pills, and then she chickened out and threw them up after taking them.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 18:40:53 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
For me its because if she wasn't such a skanky whorebitch then Shane could've lived, if she had not been such a piece of shit to Shane then he wouldn't have gone crazy and been killed goddamn I hate you Lori
Ok, you can't blame her for Shane going crazy. You could see that he was obviously jealous when she went back to her husband (who wouldn't) and as Rick became a more trusted leader, Shane grew even more jealous and batshit. Lori didn't make him do what he did, it was all Shane.
He didn't get jealous and batshit on his own. Lori fucked with him (literally).
[deleted] ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 19:21:12 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:00:30 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
But leading up to the fight she talked to Shane (one-on-one) about how she missed what they had, and some other stupid things or maybe it was intentional to have one eliminated with the baby coming.
They both lost Rick, and they were both grieving. There's nothing wrong with seeking comfort in the arms of someone who kind of understands how you feel.
How exactly are we blaming Lori for Shane becoming an unreliable, murderous bastard? It's not like she was manipulating him, she just found our her husband was still alive and he couldn't deal with it. I don't see how that's her fault at all, he just turned out to be a jealous scumbag who couldn't deal with not getting his way.
Spacct ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 05:56:58 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Everyone blames Shane, but Lori deserves it as well. Who starts sleeping with their husband's best friend a month after he dies? Especially when there's a young kid to take care of? Hell, Rick has only started looking at another woman in the last season, and it's been over 2 years since Lori died.
Why in the world is it her fault that after she believed her husband died, she took up with someone new? And how is it her fault that he turned into an asshole after she broke it off? That's ridiculous. You are seriously arguing that she is to blame for his behavior after she realized Rick was still alive and went back to him?
Spacct ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:09:04 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He's to blame for his behaviour, but she is 50% to blame for creating the situation to begin with.
How is it not her fault that she immediately began sleeping with someone else so soon after she believed her husband died? Do you really think a period of time less than the duration of an IV is appropriate or healthy for her, Shane, or Carl? A rational adult or anyone with any sense of attachment to their spouse to begin with would have waited longer and avoided the whole mess in the first place.
I tend to think "Zombie Apocalypse" is the sort of situation where the normal rules of etiquette get suspended. But even if it's not, that seems a weirdly puritanical thing to base a hatred of a character on. Shit, if she was banging Shane the day Rick went into the hospital, it's still not her fault that Shane became a murderous jealousy-fueled monster. Adults are allowed to have sex with each other. Sometimes, bizarre improbably circumstances mean one of them leaves the other. It's unfortunate, and hurt feelings are understandable, but murderous undermining is not. Shane is 100% to blame for his own despicable behavior, it's ridiculous to get mad at Lori for "creating the situation" which she couldn't possibly have predicted would turn out the way it did. Get mad at Shane all you want, but saddling Lori with his problems is totally unfair.
Now Andrea on the other hand...
Lozzif ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 01:17:39 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
She's a woman and he's a man. He can't be responsible for being a shitty human being. Blame the female!
5171 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 06:42:59 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No, Andrea didn't.
-shot Darryl because she was a dumbass and a bad shot
-got PMSy when her gun got taken away even though she didn't deserve to shoot it
-was clearly not fit to offer rational opinions to the group, yet always tried to seize charge
-joined the idiotic Dale faction of "let's give everyone a second chance even people that have tried to kill us multiple times"
-fell in love with one of the most patently evil characters in the book/series
-was too stupid to face what the Governor was even when being faced with the evidence
-tried to be in charge of stuff even though nobody likes her or cares about her opinions.
SHE DOESNT SWING HER ARMS WHEN SHE WALKS. THEY FLOP AROUND LIKE A MUPPET. NO.
ziipo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:34:16 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Nope. The writers tried really hard to redeem her and make her leaving the show (avoiding spoilers? Maybe? Not so much?) this tragic goodbye to a loved character.... I watched in a room full of people and we were all cheering and shouting FINALLY.
Bean03 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:26:46 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
How could Andrea have won anyone back? Here decision making just got worse and worse right up until her death. Sleeping with the psychopath, waiting 15 minutes to start trying to escape her handcuffs...dumbest character ever.
fupa16 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:46:36 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Nope I was so happy when that bitch died. Never have to look at her ugly face again.
Andrea won people back when she died. And even in her death she was still useless. Which is a shame. The character had so much potential, but she was just... useless.
As a fan of the comics, this is why wont watch the show. Andrea is fucking awesome in the comics, but they made her awful in the show.
In the comics, she's 10 years younger. She doesn't cry holding her sister's corpse for 8 hours, she shoots her sister in the head before she even dies. She picks up Rick's gun training faster than anyone else, eventually becoming the group's sniper. She survives an attack by serial murderer/rapist, leaving her with a wicked scar on her face. She's just really damn cool, without ever coming off as some kind of 'super hero' like Norman Reedus' original character Darryl Dixon does.
So yeah, I was out after the first season. I was appalled by what they did to Andrea.
I'm okay with the show being different from the comics, and giving different personalities to the characters, but most of the characters just weren't good.
In the show, T-Dog replaced Tyreese, but even T-Dog didn't do anything of real note. He was just kind of there. And eventually, he was replaced by the actual Tyreese (who was more in tune with the comics).
Too many of the changes were for the worse. Season 2 hurt the show more than helped, and the entire season could probably have been edited down to 3 or 4 episodes at most while getting the point across. It dragged things out, and dragged out bad characters even more.
Andrea though... she had every chance to fix things over and over but all she did was make every situation worse.
Since when are super heroes one dimensional? No, the problem is that he's just too good, like a super hero. He's a character doesn't fit in a survival story.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 20:55:44 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
How is a redneck a super hero? He was the most likely to be adaptable to a survival situation. Name one thing he does that makes him a super hero? Compared to rick or glen? Your completely wrong
BGYeti ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 22:24:41 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He stole my heart thats what he did.
grubas ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 04:36:21 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He's been abused by his family, abandoned by them, had to hunt, fight and steal just to survive since he was like 10. He is the best suited to survive because he never lived in a good world. The episode with him in the woods alone was a bit over the top though.
But his crossbow skills are a bit ridiculous, especially with him normally carrying like 2-4 arrows only at a point. And how it seems to never need a restring and he can beat zombies to death with it never sustaining a scratch. They gave him a quiver for a bit, but that disappeared, along with the scope he had.
That's a dumb reason to not watch the show, no offense. The show was iffy at first for a few seasons, but by season 5, it's some of the best TV out there. I've read the comics, but they don't trump the show in every way. Not at all. There are pros and cons to both.
Overall, the TV format gives characters far more time to develop. They fucked it up a lot, but after the current show runner took over (season 4 halfway), it's amazing.
He was shitty the whole time. He didn't do anything right!
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:32:59 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
SPOILERS.
He changed a lot leading up to his demise. He knew and accepted Glenn was a better leader and was really thankful for his second(third?) chance. I didn't like him, but I loved his character. His last words "thank you" really meant something. He accepted his fate and took it graciously and that's the most important thing in a person on twd.
Yeah but he killed Noah (I think that was his name) and ALMOST killed Glenn....
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:56:33 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That was definitely his low point.
Wazula42 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 21:48:24 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Everyone in the Walking Dead is terrible. Yes, I realize the show is in a perpetual state of "It just got good, seriously!" Don't care. They're all insufferable morons who can't plant some fucking potatoes without the children getting lost.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 19:49:50 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think we might be the only two members of the Andrea fan club. Everything she did with the Governor made perfect sense to me, and I was rooting for her all the way.
Fucking hated Andrea long before I knew I wasn't the only one. She was always so negative, I'd never seen a more negative character (or real life person) in my life.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:41:01 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
At least the actress who plays Andrea is really pretty.
fijifam ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:26:01 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I honestly never understood why everyone hates them so much. What's the deal?
Bigr789 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:37:11 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Please read the comics.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:56:28 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Andrea was bearable but I never liked her. Think it had a lot to do with the actress. Totally one-note and always wore a sour expression no matter what was actually happening. So, bearable, but not liked. Lori was just the worst. Added nothing of any value to the group. Just created conflict.
Andrea is the worst on TWD. She was suppose to be this strong independent type of woman. Then she failed at every "man job" in a stereotypical womanly fashion. Whats that Andrea, you think you can shoot a gun just as well as a man and your going to prove it to us by shooting at an object (Daryl) that you can't see? You're going to be strong, and kill this crazy governor and prevent all these death. Oh, you're too emotionally attached because of sex and will just stand by and let his murderous rampage go on. I was never so happy to see a character die.
Skayj2 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:41:47 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't understand everyone's beef with Lori. She wasn't that bad.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:42:16 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The only characters I can stand on that show are Michonne, Glenn, Maggie, and Darryl. The rest make me question why I still watch the damn show. Even Rick.
I didn't mind Lori so much but holy fuck Andrea. Practically every character who goofs on the show has some sort of redemption but by the time Andrea gets hers, she's done SO much stupid shit that that moment is cathartic because we're finally relieved of the most frustrating and dumbest character on the show. Damn it Andrea, you were supposed to be a badass sniper.
God damn Lori has the same shocked angry/sad face the entire damn time. I get it, zombies are everywhere, but she is the text-book picture of a one-dimensional character.
I fucking hate Carol.. That woman that looses her daughter.. Fucking annoying bitch she dosnt do anything for the group.. She's just a problem that needs to be shot in the face. Dumb bitch.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:54:34 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Morgan's starting to piss me off. It's a different world; killing is fine. It's basically his fault that the group will be fucked.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:26:38 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not really nerd culture because Lori and Andrea were much different in the comics.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:54:05 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
However, she grabbed that lever with all of the creepy crawlers squirming all over it like an absolute boss.
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 05:23:18 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
married the director.
mattb709 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 06:10:39 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"We're not sinking, were craaaaashiiing!"
thedude37 ยท 2174 points ยท Posted at 18:39:14 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"lady only here because she humping director"
blaghart ยท 792 points ยท Posted at 20:28:32 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Kinda the opposite actually, at least if you look at how she's written.
More like "Lady only here because Speilberg was going through a terrible divorce at the time and needed to work out his anger". Notice how she's all the things he claimed his ex-wife was...
Let's assume that some of us here aren't 100% up on Seรฑor Spielbergo's ex-wife.
[deleted] ยท 81 points ยท Posted at 00:31:41 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It was George Lucas going through the divorce. Spielberg did marry Kate Capshaw, but it wasn't until some years after Temple of Doom was released.
[deleted] ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 06:03:07 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Spielberg had also gone through a divorce with Amy Irving around the time Temple Of Doom was being made.
twbrn ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 07:57:07 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Rather later, actually. They weren't even married yet when "Temple of Doom" was being made, and didn't get divorced until 1989. But they had been previously dating and broken up, which is where that comes from.
mugsoh ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 08:45:42 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They broke up the first time in 1979. Doubt he was still going through the break up 4 years later (Doom was filmed in 1983).
blaghart ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:56:43 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
After he divorced the women he married the year after Temple of Doom came out.
BBanner ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:32:23 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ah, yes, Spielberg's wife, I know all of the things she was and was certainly keeping up with that at the time of release, twelve years before I was born. We all were.
How in the hell is somebody younger than around 40 supposed to remember Spielberg was goingn through a divorce when writing that movie
mugsoh ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:43:12 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Speilberg was going through a terrible divorce at the time
Spielberg wasn't married at the time. The movie released in 1984, Spielberg didn't get married for the first time until 1985 and that was to Amy Irving.
I'm just imagining Lucas and Spielberg in the writing room together, periodically saying "Man, fuck bitches."
Thendel ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 22:27:46 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Somewhat related would be the Sarlaac in Return of the Jedi: A giant monster that resembles a vagina with teeth and swallows men whole? Come on, George...
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:21:40 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Lucas admitted that's probably why the film was so dark.
Goddammit people. Willie is supposed to be annoying. You are supposed to find her an insufferable spoiled brat because that's what she is. Capshaw played the role perfectly.
Aruu ยท 46 points ยท Posted at 21:13:42 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I agree!
Plus, look at it from her perspective. She's a woman who has gone from a life of luxury to slumming it in the jungle with Indy. Willie's reactions are honestly pretty realistic, given that she has no survival skills whatsoever. She was a little over the top, admittedly, but that's just part of her character, she's a drama queen.
ergister ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 22:50:41 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
For fuck's sake THANK YOU!!! This deserves to be at the top... She's a spoiled brat who lives a pampered life in the Shanghai night life. She's never been out of her element before (she grew up in Kansas, I believe) and she's not being thrust into these insane adventures where her plane's crashing, there's a guy ripping people's hearts out and people are eating chilled monkey brains. She's totally freaked out. And it's obnoxious to us and Indy because we're the adventurous, explorers. It's like people don't know how to watch movies...
I don't think it's that people don't understand that she's supposed to be annoying, spoiled princess so much as that they don't understand why anyone thought it would be good idea to put a character like that into the film.
Kate did a great job playing someone who was supposed to be super annoying.
Doesn't change the fact that she WAS SUPER ANNOYING.
Landredr ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:53:18 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What separates her from Jar-Jar though? I don't find either funny. Trying to give all the humor to one useless character only makes that character laborious to watch. Characters who are strictly over the top comedic relief aren't funny. Especially when they're meant to be all that is funny.
Jar Jar isn't supposed to be annoying. George legitimately thought he was the funniest character they had ever done before. A real laugh riot. Jar Jar isn't funny and completely fails at what he is supposed to do.
Willie, is supposed to be an annoying frustrating brat and she accomplishes exactly that. If anything too well because many seem to hate her. She does drive a good portion of the humor, but short round and indy himself also take their fair shade. Also she is the butt of all the jokes in her scenes. I found her quite funny when she fell off the elephant, freaked out at the food and bugs, and wanted to go back home to Missouri where they never feed you snakes before ripping your heart out and lowering you into hot pits. But you don't have to find her amusing for her to fulfill her purpose of being an annoying burden for indy to bear. In fact a lot of horrible crap happens to her when you think about it, and the audience would feel bad laughing at her if she hasn't proven to be such a wench. Ravenwood and Elsa get near the snakes and rats. Willie has insects all over her body and in her hair and clothes. Ravenwood and Elsa are in peril. Willie is tied into a sacrifice cage and hung over molten lava. Her being a whiney wench makes her less sympathetic, which in a way is important if you don't want the film to be any darker than it already is.
I rewatched that recently and her character is so extraneous it is amazing, but not as amazing as the casual racism towards South Asians.
vu1xVad0 ยท 32 points ยท Posted at 19:45:04 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I attribute the ridiculous South Asian stereotypes as being faithful to the shlocky explorer hero pulp fiction that inspired the whole Indiana Jones universe. That whole bizarre dinner scene with the eyeball soup and monkey brain dessert freaked me out as a kid but it's hilariously OTT as an adult.
Willie isn't any more extraneous than Miss Ravenwood. If anything Ravenwood was more extraneous because she insisted on coming along for her own reasons. Indy actually forced Willie to accompany him so he could get the antidote. In both cases these women are essentially along for the ride to facilitare exposition and to give Indy someone to rescue.
Except Marion at least had some agency. She took the initiative a few times, even if it didn't work out. Willie just screamed a lot while Indy pulled her around by the wrist.
I don't see how this film is racist. Practically everyone in the film who is portrayed negatively is under the mind control of an evil mastermind. There is nothing which implies that all of them are bad or evil.
That's not racist. It's simply painting the villains to be incredibly strange/revolting. The point wasn't to say "Hey look at the weird shit that all Indians eat"
ergister ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 22:47:47 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ugh, it's supposed to make the place seem more exotic... Besides, those were eels in the dead snake, not live snakes... and I'm sorry, they do eat beetles in South Asia, so tell me how that's racist?
The Indians who are not actively evil are all helpless until a white person comes along and saves them. They're not bad, they're just backwards, weak willed, and not too smart.
Yes. And when I realized that she was supposed to be a hated character, then I loved the movie. She's not supposed to be 'the girl of the movie' like Marion where you like her, you're supposed to hate her.
I mentioned this ages ago in a similar topic: her character in Lego Indiana Jones has the power of...screaming. She screams so loud it breaks the enemies into pieces.
So my take from it is that clippy was severely retarded by a lack of disk space. The question is, why didn't Microsoft put back the full thing with 2007? I would have been willing to take a few more gigabytes for a fully functional AI with office.
IMO, Clippy is an example of that you don't know what you've got until it's gone.
Yeah, I hated that pesky little fucker of a paperclip when he was around, but when he was gone, I realized that he - despite his lack of ability to help in practice - was probably one of the most well-intentioned characters you'll ever meet. That level of unselfishness is rare those days. Now I miss him at times.
Always despised how she abused her clueless, half-retarded big brother. And how freakishly powerful she was. Ed spent half his time just trying not to piss her off.
And then you see the episode where Ed got mad. Not "I'm a bit miffed mad." More like "I will END anyone who bothers me" mad. And Ed is so stupid, it gives him borderline superhuman retard strength, which makes him all the more terrifying. Even Sarah backs off at that point. She knows Ed is not to be fucked with at that in that state.
I've always wondered just what kind of weird, genetic experiments went on in that family to produce kids like that.
Y'know Ed said a lot of weird stuff on that show that if you took a minute to think about it made sense in his own weird way. For instance: Ed pops up and Eddy goes "Where'd you come from?" then Ed replies "Blame my parents Eddy."
But one time he said "If carrots are good for your eyes can they dial a phone?" and to this day I am still searching for the meaning in that statement.
Well, there's this (warning, TV Tropes link), but it really only gives the one example. I know there were others, like Ed begging Sarah not to tell their mom (that he'd done something) "because then Mom will tell Dad and Dad will say 'Not now, I'm watching TV'," which has been interpreted by many (including myself) to mean that Ed's father is abusive. It's never outright stated, but the fear on Ed's face whenever Sarah threatens him just sort of screams parental abuse at me.
See, the example you gave me just makes me think Ed is being Ed and completely misinterpreting the severity of the situation, like the simpleton he is. "Not now, I'm watching TV" just screams that Ed's dad can't be bothered to pay attention to his kids, whether it's through discipline or otherwise.
ASCIt ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 05:51:23 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well, either that or he understands that Sarah is a little bitch and that she complains about the stupidest things.
For starters, there's this (warning, TV Tropes link). There were others, though, like whenever Sarah would threaten to tell their mom (that Ed had done something) and Ed would beg her not to tell them "because then Mom will tell Dad and Dad will say 'I just got home from work'" and the like. I'm not as big into it as I once was, or I would have some more examples ready, but it's been interpreted by many (myself included) that at least their father was abusive.
[deleted] ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 02:45:27 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The part I hated most was how she could destroy just about anybody in the show. The only people Sarah didn't ever wanna fuck with were the Kanker Sisters and Eddy's older brother (in that one episode and in the series finale movie).
[deleted] ยท 850 points ยท Posted at 19:22:36 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Goddamn it, I love this picture. I've also seen a lot of people recently realizing that Double D lucked out with girl-wise. The other two are homely as fuck, Marie's the only girl in the show who's actually pretty (and yes, I am including Naz, she was just too generic-looking to really be pretty).
Pompey_ ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 10:33:10 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It is indeed. I just really love to see artwork like this, re-imagining the characters to look a little more realistic and (in most cases) older, like around high school-aged.
I always liked the eye gag with Lee. See, Lee had no visible eyes, Marie had one, and May had two. But then the one time someone brushes Lee's hair out of the way, it turns out she has three eyes!
I don't know if she's technically "scene," but I know a girl who looks a lot like Liz Vicious. Most gorgeous woman I've ever seen, no pun intended.
usmc2009 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 06:57:17 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's sad that she's out. She's been a favorite of mine for years. It's actually crazy how long it's been...I feel old now.
Graffy ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 06:55:23 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I had a FWB a few years ago who looked very similar. First time I met her she was wearing a corset and an hour later we were having rough sex with her roommate ten feet away. She was a wiccan and turned out to be a little crazy. Go figure.
Bullshit. I'll admit it. They turn riding dick into an art form.
[deleted] ยท 35 points ยท Posted at 23:37:37 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I would wreck Marie Kanker. She's like that one badass punk rock chick that everyone's into at one point. She's the girl who steals her dad's car and drives everyone around to parties even though she doesn't have a liscence. The girl who smokes pot behind the school and is super mysterious and is really down to earth once you get to know her. I have a lot of feelings about Marie Kanker
And it's hilarious that she's the one who was into Double D, since she's basically the antithesis of what he tries to be.
[deleted] ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 02:43:47 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Exactly. Opposites attract. While Lee and Eddy and May and Edd had very similar personality traits, Double D and Marie were as far from one another's personalities as you could get.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 02:41:52 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Marie.
I think just about every boy who watched that show growing up probably had a little bit of a crush on Marie. I think she's the reason I find short hair on women so attractive.
I'd only be on the blue haired one. Ed, Edd, and Eddie were right about the other two.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:24:07 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Know what always bugged me about the Kanker sisters? What they did when you first meet them. It hit me hard when I was in my 2nd year of college and actually re-watched the episode.
Make food for boyfriends / Men.
Try to act "sexy" for them.
Get angry / Keep them around the house
Cry in bedroom.
Kick them out because they are ungrateful deadbeats.
Show up with "Junior" versions of them.
They seemed (at least in this sense..) To try out acting out all of father's relationships which ended up with him getting a woman (or multiple women) pregnant and having her appear at the house announced with children saying they were his.
She's a product of fucked up parents, Ed is kept in a basement for fucks sake, and she is spoiled to shit, whenever she threatens to tattle on him, his reaction is to panic. But I hate Eddy's big brother more.
[deleted] ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 02:47:42 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I wouldn't say Ed is kept in a basement, his bedroom is down there. It's not like he's living in some shithole (well, save for what he himself turns it into). When we're not seeing weird shit like his gravy filled bathtub and his collection of moldy cheese, his room looks pretty normal. I've also had plenty of friends whose bedrooms are downstairs.
I figure for sure Tammy lives. Bird person's probably toast, though.
50kent ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:19:01 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Or at the very least they could just pull another birdperson from a different dimension where he survives the wedding but would die in some other way shortly after. There are so many loopholes the show already built in
blot101 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:30:49 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
that's what I didn't like about the whole thing... there are just too many loopholes. He can make another portal gun, he can make another space ship, they can all go to another dimension. did they though? nope, they didn't even try.
50kent ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 09:04:04 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I kinda like that though. Like a huge message in the show is that you just need to stop giving a fuck and everything will be okay, and all of the bullshit loopholes are kinda part of that. It's not supposed to be some bulletproof scifi masterpiece, it's just a bullshit adult swim comedy, which they do perfectky
saors ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:24:52 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
But the number of dimensions that have space for just Rick and Morty were already said to be limited. Of those, which also have space for Beth, Summer, and Jerry?
I'm more surprised there was no time travel idea, but perhaps that will happen first episode of next season.
blot101 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:17:12 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well, yeah... but they don't even have to replace them. Just live somewhere else in that dimension
The writer apparently doesn't like time travel and refuses to do it... so that will be interesting if he does
Not to mention the infinite universes loophole. They can literally do whatever they want to. I know they are supposedly following a specific Rick and Morty, but honestly, at any point in which the plot gets too dicey, they have an out.
This came up yesterday, but the lure of karma is a strong one, so I'll just copy paste what I said yesterday.
Want to know what the saddest part about Bird Persons death?
The one word, the very last word that he ever says, also happens to be the only word he's ever said with any inflection. Before he died, he said one word:
"Tammy?"
The last thought he ever had was trying to wrap his head around the fact that the woman who he loved was trying to kill him.
The way the show uses parallel universes makes that entire plot point kind of nonsensical, though. That wasn't even the same Birdperson Rick fought alongside. His is still back in the universe where Earth got Cronenburged, presumably.
Maybe that universe's Bird Person died in the war. Hell, maybe the current universe's Bird Person died in the war, and Rick brought the other one over assuming there wouldn't be a manhunt for someone confirmed dead or the like. The show's got so many outs it can pull to justify just about any situation that little continuity issues like that can be easily bullshitted through without breaking immersion any more than most of the other shit that happens does. A setting where just about anything can conceivably be explained away with some stream-of-consciousness explanation is hard to do right, but when it is done right it makes poking holes in the plot kind of a moot point.
silenttd ยท 51 points ยท Posted at 23:35:45 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Is 2017 confirmed? I mean I know there was a long gap between seasons 1 and 2, but I wasn't sure the โsee you in a year and a half" thing was a self-referential gag or something.
I know they said it was just a joke to troll (and this is probably very close to an actual quote, given how they talk in the commentaries) "the fans on reddit" shortly after the finale, but more recently it's started popping up again and it sounds like new developments mean it actually might be a year and a half wait after all, but all I have for the latter is just hearsay.
demondor ยท 23 points ยท Posted at 18:19:20 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Who's Tammy?
[deleted] ยท 70 points ยท Posted at 18:28:42 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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Iceyeeye ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 20:04:00 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
A lot of that second season shit is hard on the recently divorced peoples...just commenting for a friend...
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 05:24:42 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The writer Dan Harmon is also recently divorced.
Iceyeeye ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 06:42:46 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That would explain how accurate the observations can be. The jokes that deal with lost love are funny as hell, but they also ring with hurtful truth. The mark of comedic genius.
"Look away, Daphne. We all promised each other that we'd never speak of it. Not ever!"
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"Scooby Doo: Mystery Inc." slams Scrappy Doo
-888- ยท 64 points ยท Posted at 22:39:59 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I like how they explain why Fred (and Velma) wasn't part of the Flim Flam episodes (13 Ghosts of Scooby-Doo).
[deleted] ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 04:11:21 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That was the shit! I loved the 13 Ghosts of Scooby Doo. Gonna rewatch asap.
-888- ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 05:12:56 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
13 ghosts is my second favorite Scooby-Doo, after Mystery Inc. I hope some day they do more mystery inc.
jaypenn3 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 05:50:06 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm too lazy to find out, can you give me the explanation?
cole1114 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 06:27:32 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's a 44 second video linked above...
jaypenn3 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 06:29:04 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It doesn't explain velma.
-888- ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 06:54:22 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah it doesn't explain Velma. Maybe some day it will be revealed. 13 ghosts somehow succeeded despite the cast changes. Well I think so at least. I did like Vincent Van Ghoul (Vincent Price) in it, and they brought him back in Mystery Inc.
Mystery Inc. is the pinnacle of the Scooby Doo universe. So many talented voice actors, a well-written and reference-heavy story, and humorous to boot. It's the best series since the original and captures the essence of Scooby Doo in so many ways.
(Mild Spoiler) As they were driving their van off to attend Miskatonic University in the finale, my six-year-old son hopped up and said "I can't wait to see the next season!" I stood there flushed and speechless, realizing I was about to cry. What the fuck! I turned around for a few seconds and slapped myself on the arm. Gave a big sniff and said "Well, kid, sometimes you've just got to appreciate a show for what it is. That was a great version of Scooby-Doo, and there were fifty episodes, which is one more than the original run of the show."
He stared at me and said, "Wait. Aren't they going to Miskatonic University?" I smiled and told him, "Someday I'll take you there."
To me he was just so vocal and annoying, such a useless character too:/ I liked the grey dog though, Scoobys other cousin or whatever aha
Tundru ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 23:53:04 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
How have I never heard of this show before?
Loki_SW ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 00:22:18 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
I highly recommend it. It's Scooby Doo for adults, lots of references to famous horror franchises. Just one word of caution, the show got cancelled before ending. That said the cast for the show is great with people like Lewis Black, Gary Cole and Patrick Warburton in the supporting roles.
Mystery Inc? It did have a proper ending, even though it ended early. They wrapped everything up and tied the show into the original Scooby-Doo series.
Tundru ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 00:26:45 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think the last Scooby Doo show I watched was "whats new scooby doo?" and I was less than impressed with it.
Loki_SW ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 01:15:35 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Give this one a shot, it's very enjoyable. They do a few fun things with the crew like Velma and Shaggy are on and off dating and Fred being oblivious to Daphne flirting with him.
IIRC they were setting up the next season to take place at Miskatonic U., or at least, an expy version thereof. So much potential... right down the drain.
Adversely, the hilarity of watching the live action Scooby Doo movie and finding out Scrappy Doo was the surprise evil antagonist; the result of absolutely everyone fucking hating him?
Far from a good movie, but that was a genius move for them to make. As a kid that killed me it was so clever.
See, I don't get that. It was an episode of Scooby Doo, and we all knew the ghost or whatever was an unarmed guy in a constume. Scrappy Doo would do what a dog would actually do in this situation - go kick that guy's ass.
Except around the same time, and for the same reason: because ratings were low, they started switching to villains that were actually monsters instead of people in costumes.
Part of the reason people hate him is probably because he was introduced at the same time they redid a lot of other parts of the show to try to boost ratings.
shnoog ยท 26 points ยท Posted at 23:25:26 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's a children's cartoon and not all of them see the obvious plot formula that adults do. As a cartoon it's not supposed to be entirely realistic.
Man, we just wanted to see Shaggy and Scoob get high and eat lots of snacks. Scrappy just went in and fucked it all up.
blueyb ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 22:43:25 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Scrappy Doo episodes were like catching the three stooges, you get all excited, and then... Shemp.
Ninbyo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:55:45 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Nah it's like settling in for your favorite show only to have a breaking news report interrupt it with a story about the new World's Largest Ball of String.
I was just wondering when he became so hated. I liked him as a kid.
fishcado ยท 55 points ยท Posted at 22:07:39 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Perhaps you didn't grow up in a world pre-scrappy doo. I used to love Scooby-Doo but when they introduced him it took away from the dynamic of the show
[deleted] ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 02:15:36 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Perhaps you didn't grow up in a world pre-scrappy doo.
I think there's only about 5 people left in the world who were, that was in 1979. That's like a hundred years ago.
But seriously I'm pretty sure most people on this site, me included, weren't even alive when Scooby Doo first aired.
Bayou13 ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 05:08:19 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Born in 1967, was definitely alive in 1979 and I too prefer Pre-Scrappy Scooby-doo and pre-Pebbles and Bam-bam Flintstones, which was set in the time I grew up.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:52:15 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
1997 in the house.
Razoride ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:45:04 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
I think there's only about 5 people left in the world who were, that was in 1979. That's like a hundred years ago.
But seriously I'm pretty sure most people on this site, me included, weren't even alive when Scooby Doo first aired.
It was my first sign of media awareness as a child. Scooby-Doo always played on repeat in my countries early morning rotation.
Realising I hated seeing that box and knowing that it was about to pop open and he'd say "I'm scrappy doo!" made me cringe as a six year old.
I also turned my nose up at the end of hook. "you're my happy thought." "I love you dad," child sized barf
elsrjefe ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:19:56 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yah I mean it is way harder from shaggy and scooby to pass a joint and for Fred and daphne to get it on in haunted houses when scrappy is around. But then again was he with Wilma anyways or am I misremembering?
[deleted] ยท 30 points ยท Posted at 20:56:51 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This is how I feel too. I haven't seen it since I was a kid, but I didn't hate him then.
merrickx ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:27:18 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Was it not a live action Scooby Doo movie sequel with scrappy that he got a lot of hate? I dot know.
Furoan ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 01:27:22 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That was pandering to the already existing hate he had. People HATED Scrappy..and still do. Fuck that dog. Go back to your real father Scrappy, leave Scooby alone.
The live action movie that just made scrappy doo the actual villain certainly made his character seem much more distasteful. But I agree, as a kid, I enjoyed the cartoon scrappy.
Hirumaru ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 04:42:46 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They made him the villain because he was hated. He wasn't hated because of that film itself.
You phrased that as if it was meant to be sarcastic, when it is clearly just a fact.
ksanthra ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 12:35:02 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Daphne was the biggest achievement in Children's television at the time.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 21:51:39 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Seriously, people dislike Scrappy? He's the only goddamn competent character on a show about cowardly hippies who can't figure out every "ghost" they encounter is a janitor or groundskeeper who found a movie projector and a mask.
Fred is off trying to have the dream threesome with Daphne and Velma, Shaggy and Scoop apparently have the shittiest dealer in existence who gives them crappy blunts that cause paranoia, and Scrappy is like "hey dumbasses don't worry I got this".
I liked him as a kid too, Because Scrappy wasn't afraid of anybody. He would always want to fight the villain whereas everybody else was a bunch of pussies.
I thought Scrappy Doo worked ok in situations where it was just Shaggy and Scooby. He served as a catalyst for all the hijinks because without him they would have bailed at the first sign of anything spooky. Even though he was annoying, he made sense as a character.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:51:57 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Because compared to other 70's cartoons it was good. Comparing reruns of a 20 year old show to a show that was new at the time doesn't really paint a fair picture.
Darsint ยท 1649 points ยท Posted at 19:19:55 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You know, now that I think about it, he might have been created to deliberately be hated. Consider:
The entire premise of Scooby Doo wasn't just an entertaining bunch of kids catching bad guys. The core of it was investigating the unknown. That there was something terrifying that everyone else assumed was a monster, and despite their fear, they wanted to know the truth. They didn't accept what others told them was true. They would rather brave the danger and find out for themselves.
And here's this foil of a character. Normally we praise characters that are brave and fearless. But this one is also ignorant and ineffectual. He's not afraid of anyone even though he should be, because he has no idea of his own capabilities. Every time a danger comes up, he wants to fight it, despite him knowing absolutely nothing about the enemy he's fighting. It's only through the investigations of the rest of the Scooby Gang that he's able to participate successfully.
Thus, it's a bit of a power play, showing strength and bravery as being nigh useless without the knowledge of the true foe they face.
This post constitutes entirely too much intelligence and thoughtful analysis directed at a show about a stoner and his dog, and his rich friend who's always blasted on cocaine and the two women who are always following him around.
Darsint ยท 780 points ยท Posted at 21:15:17 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Please! I could have done much worse. Observe:
The philosophical underpinnings of Scooby Doo emulate the transition of western society to the Age of Enlightenment.
There was a time where we simply accepted any explanation for phenomena outside our knowledge. Demons caused you to sneeze your soul out, and you had to bless the body to keep them from infiltrating. You pack dirt in wounds to disgust the devils of bad health. Lightning was the God's way of expressing his anger at your disobedience, and you should listen to his true follower if you don't want to be struck by his wrath.
It was thanks to philosophers like Locke, Hobbes, Voltaire, Spinoza and the like that we were able to throw the shackles of fear and truly understand how our world works. And they did it through curiosity, experimentation, and reason.
Now we take a look at Scooby Doo. It has very simple characters and it's style of plot doesn't change. But when you take that same plot style apart, you find it is reflecting a much deeper resonation with the fight between fear and curiosity. And that same simplicity of character allows children to focus less on their known heroes and more on the fight to learn what is truly happening.
The dynamic shows itself even more in Scooby Doo: Mystery Incorporated. Not only is the town not grateful for the team's constant mystery solving, they are actively against any mysteries being explored. Because they make money from the tourism.
It is an established interest that gains power from the mysteries. JUST like the established churches during the Enlightenment.
Call it simple if you wish, but Scooby Doo was a formative lesson on the value of seeking the truth, and we should recognize it's impact.
Darsint ยท 36 points ยท Posted at 21:51:45 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ya got me!
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:40:08 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So philosophers shape history?
Darsint ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:15:15 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Everyone shapes history. From the lowly beggar to the richest CEO. Philosophers just focus on the meta-levels of society and the long-term future of us as intelligent sophonts. They attempt to steer the ship of humanity, as it were.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:40:43 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't know if it can be steered. The world moves on, and keeping up is all that politicians and philosophers can do.
Darsint ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:17:12 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ah, but so much of what we take for granted today has it's origins in philosophy. Take America, for example. Most of it's base tenets of government spawned from the philosophies of John Locke. Most of the principles of the scientific method came from the minds of Descartes and Bacon. What we think of as basic human rights were quantified by other philosophers.
They assess and build the basic building blocks of society, and we in turn collaborate and rearrange them to suit our needs.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:44:17 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
In a world without those names, but with all other things equal, I feel that other people would have thought the same thoughts. Ideas are products of their time. People only answer the questions of the day.
Locke, Hobbes, Voltaire, Spinoza. All early-modern philosophers. But they were already a few generations into the modern era. The Renaissance and the Age of Discovery had redrawn the map. How much of democracy can be credited to trade, to potatoes, and to musketry?
It's like how governments and societies are only ever as good as they need to be.
Darsint ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:20:02 on January 4, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Oh I agree. In a world without Pythagoras, we still would have learned of his theorum eventually. It's especially evident when you see discoveries and inventions. There were many similar inventions to Bell's telephone at the time he invented it. When you have many people working in parallel, discoveries become inevitable.
It is important to acknowledge the environment that led them to be able to come up with their ideas, but that does not mean that their contributions were meaningless, or that the work they put their hearts into had no worth.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:45:08 on January 4, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Absolutely. The world is richer for their efforts. :)
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 01:51:46 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The worst part is even though most English majors worth their salt can immediately see these types of analyses as garbage, such facsimiles are close enough approximations of actual critical theory for it to be impossible to decide the pretender truly knows next to nothing about criticism.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:42:50 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No, but there is a bot that gives you statistics on XKCDs you reference.
[deleted] ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 23:56:20 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
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Darsint ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 00:56:10 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ah, the pathos of rationalization. I am well acquainted with it.
If we do not have villains, we must make them, yes? Similar to Voltaire's "If God did not exist, it would be necessary to invent him". And just as Voltaire's God would be needed to ensure civility, our villains would be needed to distract from our own failings.
...except...
How can we know how to improve ourselves without self-reflection?
How can we mature in our interactions with others without knowing how our choices affect others?
How can we focus our energy to benefit ourselves if we do not even know what drives us?
Humanity has long lived with a dual nature. One designed to help allies and one designed to fight enemies. One that reduces suffering and one that inflicts. And the only thing that can distinguish between the ALLIES and the OTHERS is understanding.
And you will not gain that understanding with falsehoods.
keredomo ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 01:19:30 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And you will not gain that understanding with falsehoods.
I don't disagree, but yet you managed to write about Scooby Doo as a way to discuss philosophy. So wouldn't that "falsehood" (as the show is clearly a fiction) mean we could not gain understanding through it? And if so, then your post would be meaningless. Perhaps it is not "with" the falsehood, so much as through it and the process of introspection. Interesting.
Darsint ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:05:02 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ah, but with Scooby Doo, you KNOW that it is a falsehood. Much like other forms of art, it is a combination of things that are and things that are not. Often times it becomes easier to see the truth of a matter when it is told from another perspective. And the artist can simply create another perspective at will.
keredomo ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:13:45 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
10/10
I wish you were in my theory classes at uni because they would have been so much better.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 09:07:16 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
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Darsint ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:13:48 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Now there's an interesting perspective. Scooby and Scrappy being slaves? The collars on their neck perhaps designating them as property, despite them being thinking sophonts? I could see this being a possibility, perhaps.
But using Occam's Razor, a more likely scenario presents itself.
The Rogers family is incredibly rich (In fact, most of the main characters come from rich families). Every speaking pet except two come from the same bloodline: Scooby Doo, Scrappy Doo, Scooby Dum, Ruby Doo, Mumsy Doo, Dada Doo. The only exceptions are Nova and Professor Pericles, which are also owned by affluent people.
You could indeed simply suggest that only the wealthy could afford speaking pets, but it doesn't answer the nagging question behind all of this: Where do the speaking animals come from? WHY can they speak?
Based on the continuity of the series, I would suggest that instead of being species that just happened to acquire speech, they are uplifted animals that gained their intellect and speech capabilities through genetic manipulation.
This explains not only the rarity of the creatures in the series, but also why they are considered "pets" in the first place. They are a control experiment to see whether these created sophonts can integrate into society successfully.
Now any newly created species would have to have control mechanisms just in case things went horribly awry (like Professor Pericles, perhaps?). So you build into their genetics a predilection towards a particular food. Thus, Scooby Snacks aren't so much an addiction as a leash to ensure that they do no go off the rails.
This does suggest an interesting sideline, though. Why is Norville Rogers also a fan of Scooby Snacks? Is he human himself, or is he another experiment that just happens to look human? When you see the sheer amount of food he and Scooby consume between them, it does make one suspicious.
My God, this sounds like one of those English classes you would fail in college because the professor found a deeper meaning in the color of the drapes on page 24.
Darsint ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 22:14:02 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My Writing 121 class in college associated every story we read with human rights. Including a story on the importance of environmentalism.
It was...interesting.
AlphaOC ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 23:14:12 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This is exactly why I hated english classes in college. I straight up said to my TA that I found it obnoxious that the field creates interpretations of an author's work that are likely outside of the original author's intention. He pretty much admitted it's what the field is about.
I'm all for well constructed arguments, but I dislike college level literature for how it ignores context (that is to say, what the author was trying to write).
For all it's worth, these are usually shitty professors who are either parroting nonsense or trying to push their own ideas/agenda. There are plenty of good college level English professors who are fully aware of context and take it into consideration.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 02:56:47 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The curtains were fucking blue.
elsrjefe ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:31:05 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Oh god what book was this, crime and punishment? My fucking English teacher asked us how many steps he took from the murder.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:33:04 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I would give this essay a C+ at best. You're basically using ideas from both the Enlightenment and the scientific revolution (by your basic thesis of God and the supernatural being a substitute for science and reason), and you're not distinguishing between them clearly. The two are connected, but "curiosity, experimentation, and reason" is more associated with the scientific method than any particular innovation of Enlightenment philosophy. Philosophers have always had curiosity (since the ancient Greeks), they never experiment (or they would be scientists, even today), and it's debatable whether "reason" is exclusive to the Enlightenment. (More accurate to probably say "pure reason divorced from religious influences" and so on.) The basic thesis could be better supported if you invoked scientists instead - Galileo, Laplace, Newton, and so on.
That being said, you can still invoke the Enlightenment angle. There is a seed of a good idea here:
The dynamic shows itself even more in Scooby Doo: Mystery Incorporated. Not only is the town not grateful for the team's constant mystery solving, they are actively against any mysteries being explored. Because they make money from the tourism.
It is an established interest that gains power from the mysteries. JUST like the established churches during the Enlightenment...Call it simple if you wish, but Scooby Doo was a formative lesson on the value of seeking the truth, and we should recognize it's impact.
But the analysis is too simple. It would be more interesting to explore: is it really true, that solving the mystery is always a good thing? After all, the solved mystery resulted in the destruction of the tourist resort, potentially resulting in hundreds of lost jobs and collapse of the local economy. So is "reason" and finding out the truth always beneficial? What if there is a benefit in retaining a little bit of mystery in our lives, even in modern secular societies? Why do you think we still like to tell our kids about Santa Claus? Why do magicians like to pretend that they really have mystical powers?
Darsint ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:48:20 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Excellent response!
There are two aspects to this, and I'd like to respond to each of these in turn, if you will.
You are quite correct that The Age of Enlightenment and the scientific revolution are not one and the same. I feel, however, that they are closer than you are implying. Take Francis Bacon, for instance, who promoted empiricism (or inductive reasoning). Or Descartes, who gave us much concerning deductive reasoning. These two alone give us a considerable amount of the principles of the scientific method. You could assert that Enlightenment was only possible because of the scientific method, but that's another argument entirely.
As for the second part, I know of no mystery of any importance ever explained that would have been better had we never known. This is apocryphal, I know, but telling in my mind at least.
Take your examples.
There were so many hoaxes concerning that town that they could have had a tourist trap focused on the exposing of frauds. In fact, noting all the wealth that was up for grabs during all these heists would imply the town is much richer than it was and probably bring in development from outside much easier. Or shoot, theme parks would be easy to build, and every time a new hoax came out, there'd be a new character to add.
With Santa, there's a very practical reason to have kids believe in him: An all-seeing authority figure that hands out what you desire if you follow his rules of being good (Hmmm, where have I heard that story before?). If Santa Claus gave gifts to kids whether they were good or bad, I don't think it's likely he would have gained nearly as much traction as he has. And in that case, we eventually learn that he doesn't exist. The mystery doesn't persist.
Your example of magicians is a far sturdier example. The art of magic is all manipulations of perspective, and while some of us might be able to enjoy it even if they know how it's done (or in my case, especially if I know how it was done), the initial sense of wonder is lost. And if that is what you seek, a return to the feeling of amazement you had as a child, then yes, breaking the mystery robs it of it's power.
The key, I think, is necessity. You could argue that mysteries that preserve a society could be maintained, like nations at war with each other keeping their best weapons hidden. It's important to note, though, that the same things that keep secrets hidden also consolidate power in the hands of those that know, and those same actors don't have to be truly interested in the preservation of society. Thus, if you do have secrets that must be kept, there must be a check on that power. At the very least, those mysteries must be revealed eventually.
But it is a good question, and one that should be explored more fully than this little blurb.
I know you're joking, but I just want to say that I hate this line of thinking which is so prevalent on reddit. What's wrong with probing deeper into things?
/u/Darsint made a great analysis and came to a valuable conclusion thereby: courage is useless if it is blind and stupid. I am slightly richer as a person for his/her write-up.
Even if Hanna-Barbera never remotely intended what Darsint has argued with Scrappy, would his/her argument suddenly be untrue? I say no, because the analysis was based entirely upon what we've seen in the show. The authors' intentions are irrelevant.
Yes, tinfoily over-analysis can get a bit sillyโ I am a regular at /r/asoiafโ but to me even misguided thinking is still better than ignoring everything around oneself in the belief that it is meaningless.
I don't know much of the supposed lore of the show (despite having watched entirely too much of it as a kid), but I do know that there's no way Fred could be as constantly upbeat, confident, and assertive as he is without being coked out of his mind all the time, and there's no way he could afford that unless he were rich.
Fred is a stereotype of a dumb blond- he has a one track mind, is not the brightest, and is only looked to because of his upbeat and courageous attitude. His incarnations differ in complexity, with the majority of them not being very complex- but in no incarnation as Fred been rich.
Daphne on the other-hand is not only incredibly rich, but also incredibly complex. She went from being the damsel in distress/ the pretty one/ the love interest to an intelligent, self-driven, and emotionally deep character- as well as a master martial artist. Although not as smart as Velma, or possessing the technological one track mind of Fred, she is arguably the most developed character of the series.
Fred's character itself is upbeat, confident, and assertive. He is supposed to be a dumb blond who is always happy and with a one track mind, but also be a technological genius and inspiring leader due to his limitless courage. He is meant to be the exact opposite of Shaggy- Shaggy is fearful, Fred is courageous. Shaggy is constantly alert, Fred is easy-going. Shaggy puts little effort into things and usually succeeds, Fred puts large amounts of effort and usually fails- both by good/bad luck mostly- etc.
Fan theories on drug use are fine, except for when they contradict the established facts of the show. Fred has never been shown to come from wealth, as well as been shown to lack many skills which have nothing to do with solving mysteries/making traps.
There was one episode where the kids were actually in danger for their lives. It's the best episode because of the threat
Etaenryu ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:53:26 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So you're saying he's a Chihuahua.
Darsint ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:21:44 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He probably should have been!
jonrock ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:17:30 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I like this idea, but the real reason is much more pragmatic: without a new character as a hook to introduce new story structures, Scooby Doo was simply slated to be cancelled. Source: the head writer.
Darsint ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:22:09 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The head writer of Groo the Wanderer was responsible?
....I feel like I'm taking crazy pills...
jonrock ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:54:05 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well, technically Joe Barbera was responsible, but when you need a pilot script for a cartoon character and you need it guaranteed to be done in one week, no excuses, M.E. is a top choice.
abusybee ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:18:20 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Will be reading this on Lad Bible in about 2 days. "You'll never guess what they said about as Scooby Doo".
iownyou2 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:52:12 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Deep, i like the new perspective
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:33:48 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Nice analysis
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:39:25 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Is there any possibility that he was a trained force user?
You need to spend those intelligence points on something else, homes. Damn.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:29:25 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Nope. You weren't a kid when they first came out, I bet. Mark Evanier created Scrappy-Doo, and he's explained on his website that Scrappy was very, very popular when he first came out, which is why almost all of the Scooby-Doo series after that were retooled to focus on him.
I hate Scrappy-Doo, too, but to the kids back then he was funny.
Making him The villain of the live action movie was brilliant.
Haze95 ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 19:20:37 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Why is Scrappy so hated?
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 19:49:56 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Because he's an obnoxious and smug little prick.
Haze95 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:02:22 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Isn't he just an overly pumped up little dog?
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 03:05:17 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ok, serious answer:
He is constantly being reckless and endangering the group. I have no idea how they weren't all murdered because of his foolish antics. He's like that friend that walks up to the group of 250 lb. skinheads and starts talking shit and leaves you to mediate your way out of an ass-kicking. He has total short-man syndrome. Him being annoying as fuck isn't even close to the worst of his traits.
"The more astute readers among you may have noticed that I haven't yet gone so far as to give anything an actual 'F'. That's not out of any kind-heartedness on my part, it's just that every time I got ready to give one out, I would ask myself, 'Is it really that bad, compared to the verminous, soul-tainting badness of Scrappy-Doo?'"
โ Lore Fitzgerald Sjoberg, The Book of Ratings
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:29:36 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I always just wondered why he was completely articulate, despite being a asshat, while Scooby-Doo still was all dog like. Was Scooby just retarded or something?
They introduced scoobys siblings and cousins throughout the series. They were all similar to Scooby. My theory is that scrappy was either the end of either a eugenics experiment that involved massive inbreeding or a deal with Satan.
lyla2398 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:05:35 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
YES! He was my first thought too.
Other hated characters of nerd/cult shows that spring to mind:
Wesley in Star Trek TNG
Neelix Star Trek Voyager
Adric in Doctor Who
Chloe Webber in Doctor Who
Cousin Oliver in the Brady Bunch
Beau ( Travolta's replacement) Welcome Back Kotter
Jar Jar Binks Star Wars
Urkel Family Matters
There was a girl that I dated in high school for a few months. She loved Scrappy Doo. I'm not saying that's the only reason I stopped seeing her, but I'm saying it was a factor. That and she was batshit Eyetalian crazy....
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:32:52 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Why does everybody hate Scrappy Doo? I thought he was alright. At least he actually stood up to the monsters.
pigi5 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:53:38 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Fun Fact: Scrappy-Doo actually increased Scooby-Doo viewership when its ratings were falling.
In 1979, Scooby's tiny nephew Scrappy-Doo was added to both the series and the billing, in an attempt to boost Scooby-Dooโ'โs slipping ratings. The 1979โ80 episodes, aired under the new title Scooby-Doo and Scrappy-Doo as an independent half-hour show, succeeded in regenerating interest in the show.
During a family trip I made my parents change the channel so I could watch the season premiere of Scooby Doo--the episode where they introduced Scrappy. Never have I been more embarrassed and ashamed.
For as crude and stupid as the Scooby Doo movie was, and a waste of the great Rowan Atkinson, the twist of the film's villain being Scrappy Doo was perhaps more ingenious than the film was allowing itself.
I love scrappy doo, my first intro to him was the ild halloween special at an ghouls and monsters sorority where all the girls/students were actual vampires and mummies, scrappy was on point in that
mrsoojay ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:48:02 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Godzooky needs to be mentioned here too. TV execs thinking kids want childish crap. No, we wanted to see a giant fucking lizard destroy all the things.
Fucking hell, I really didn't know how much people hated Scrappy. When I was a kid I just thought he was funny. Like, yeah, he was too headstrong, could be annoying, and blissfully ignorant of his limitations, but that shit was fucking funny to me.
He's doing Talos's work. Very few others in the world of Skyrim would have the balls to call the Thalmor out on their bullshit, right in the middle of the central city of the province. He would have been executed in minutes in Solitude.
TED4000 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:03:31 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Executed in minutes in solitude
Executed in minutes once I find him
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:28:38 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
much like the guy above and his ritual with Nazeem I kill him in every single game. Usually I hide his body under the nearby bridge..
Once a guard happened upon me while I was stuffing him in there and he's just like.. "Let me guess... someone stole your sweetroll." and I'm just like Yes. Heimskr stole my goddamn sweet roll.
TED4000 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 09:40:57 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hide in bush, hit with fury spell, enjoy rest of game
I killed him in his house at about level 15, then promptly forgot about him until level 30 when I saw someone standing by the statue and drew Mehrunes' Razor out of reflex.
Draco actually turned out not to even be that big of a douchebag. Like, he was just raised around so much shit. By the time he reached adulthood, he was actually a pretty ok dude.
Where do you get the idea that Joffrey is competent with a sword? The closest Joffrey got to having any kind of sword fight was when Ayra punches him in the face and steals his sword away.
Dude, umbridge dies HARD. She was only powerful because she was handed authority. Tywin TAKES what he wants and if you are in his way you better hope you aren't getting married soon.
tingwong ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:08:45 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Umbridge is worse. Joffrey is evil, but incompetent. Umbridge knows exactly what she's doing, and comes this close to pulling it off. If she'd just turned Harry in to the minister instead of falling for Hermione's ploy about "Dumbledore's secret weapon", shot would be very different.
tingwong ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:06:53 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I still think Hayden Christensen could have done well if he was given proper direction and good lines. I mean, who actually did well in those movies? Ewan McGregor and Ian McDiarmid, and that's about it. Fucking Liam Neeson and Sam Jackson both fell flat, it's hard to blame actors for how poorly that movie turned out.
He did well, but his character was so flat. He was at the end of AotC and the beginning of RotS with no mention in TPM and I think one line about him before he showed up. And then we were supposed to feel something when Anakin killed him?
But yeah, I guess if you look past how bad the character was, the acting wasn't bad.
You're right, maybe I'm being too generous. Basically the character did the job but really the pacing could have been better to develop the character as more than just a bad guy with seemingly no personal motivation to do the things he'd been doing. Christopher Lee's potential was probably wasted.
Also now that I think about it, it's weird how Dooku never said anything about Palpatine being a Sith Lord even as Palpatine was barking at Anakin to execute him. Especially since Sith are meant to be self-serving and there's a tradition of them killing their masters.
I think the problem with Dooku is emblematic of the whole trilogy, it seems Lucas didn't do a lot of planning for how things would unfold which lead to underdevelopment of characters and inconsistent/bad pacing.
Also now that I think about it, it's weird how Dooku never said anything about Palpatine being a Sith Lord even as Palpatine was barking at Anakin to execute him. Especially since Sith are meant to be self-serving and there's a tradition of them killing their masters.
I think he was just in shock. Keep in mind, he's kind of the head honcho of the Separatist army (explained more in the Clone Wars animated series), so he feels like he's valuable to Sidious (and he knows that Palpatine and Sidious are the same person, based on his lines in AotC). He's basically the Darth Vader of the prequels in terms of his role in the enemy army, and you can see the parallels when he cuts off Anakin's hand in AotC and when Anakin gets the chance to kill him in RotS (could have been an amazing moment had the relationship between Dooku and Anakin been expanded more, seeing as how the moment it paralleled in the OT was so powerful). So Dooku thinks Palpatine will just call Anakin off.
Little does he know that Sidious wants to take Anakin as his apprentice. So he has Anakin kill him to get him to turn to the Dark Side, just like he does with Luke in RotJ. Had the potential to be an amazing moment, but it, along with most of the other brilliant ideas in the prequels, just fell flat because of how little development they were given.
Back on topic, Dooku was just shocked, and didn't know what to say. He was just expecting to be taken prisoner and be rescued again, which happened a lot in the Clone Wars. But now it's changed, and the tables have turned, and he just feels betrayed and is just dumbfounded. But of course, it's hard to understand that moment without any sort of development, and when the movie came out in 2005, I'm sure it fell flat just like everything else about those movies.
Am I the only one who really liked the prequels? :/
[deleted] ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 00:16:19 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No, if you go on /r/starwars and search "prequels" there are plenty of threads backing them
RyanB_ ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 06:18:44 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No, people who grew up with them generally like them.
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 05:24:37 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Generally speaking, if you were really young when the prequels came out you like them. You were too little to realize how crappy they are. Jar Jar is goofy and funny, not annoying and out of place. Anakin is deep and thoughtful, not angsty and whiny. And the bright lights, big battles, and lightsabers were all that really matter anyway.
The older crowd not so much.
RyanB_ ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 06:18:17 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm younger and strongly dislike them, having only watched them for the first time about a year ago. My friends all like the prequels tons, but I definitely think it's just because I grew up with them. Hell, I liked Shadow the Hedgehog when I was a kid.
newxid22 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:39:49 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
How old are you?
RyanB_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:51:28 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
18
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 08:53:14 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I really like Revenge of the sith. The other two, not so much.
Jigsus ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 12:54:01 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Everyone who was young then loved the prequels. Old salty fans hated them and they are the most vocal group.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 07:16:19 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Think im gonna have to second Umbridge. Olly/tammy suck, sure. Joffrey is an entitled cretin, great. The preacher chick from the mist was obnoxious as fuck but Umbridge, man, she struck a chord with me. As someone who usually roots for the bad guys in movies (and when I was younger I thought the death eaters were cool as shit), Umbridge will always be my most hated character.
UGHHH Umbridge. Thank fuck for Fred and George otherwise I would have probably threw up in the book and then, a few years later, also threw up at the TV screen.
Keundrum ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:50:33 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They did it pretty well in the 3rd one.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:58:07 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I thought he was pretty awesome in the third. He did very well with the whole evil thing
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 19:53:10 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
give the prequels another shot. I rewatched it and it's actually unfairly maligned. check out my post about them here
RyanB_ ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 06:21:13 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I always skip Episode 1 and still really dislike the prequels. Episode III is the best of them, but all of them still suffer from many issues which degrades their quality as films by themselves, never mind prequels to Star Wars.
Hats off to the casting director though, the adult version of an skin is a perfect reflection of the young version. Neither could act their way out of a paper bag. Thumbs up for continuity!
[deleted] ยท 4915 points ยท Posted at 16:43:13 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Emo Peter Parker
Serath62 ยท 2150 points ยท Posted at 17:31:08 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
[deleted] ยท 1453 points ยท Posted at 18:46:57 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm surprised to see actual debate over whether this was meant to be funny. The women are cringing and getting away from him as quickly as possible. It's obviously a gag.
A note about Spider-Man 3 in general though: it was far from the movie Sam Raimi wanted to make. He thought Venom was a one-dimensional character and wanted to avoid putting him in his films completely but pressure from the studio as the result of fanbase demand forced his hand. If you pay attention to the build-up of the previous two movies, there's a strong case for the Lizard being meant for the villain slot in the third movie.
If you don't mind my asking (and because I'm horribly lazy), what were the strong cases in particular?
[deleted] ยท 38 points ยท Posted at 19:36:20 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Doc Connors shows up in the second movie complete with missing arm. I thought I recalled some mention of his reptilian research in the movie too, but I apparently imagined it now that I look it up. He was the planned villain for the scrapped Spider-Man 4, though.
That's kind of the point, the symbiote was making him feel all juiced up and cool, and only he would see that as something someone cooler than himself would do. I honestly don't know why this scene is hated because people found it uncomfortable. It was supposed to be awkward to watch
Because it goes from making his idea of what's cool being lame and people reacting like he's a freak to it actually being cool in the jazz club scene where he's doing this cringe worthy, over the top dance routine.
Everyone in the club is loving it, some blond chick looks like she wants to fuck him right there and then?
So outside he's a dork but in that club the exact same behavior makes everyone love him? It's dumb.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:13:37 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The part that made this theory for me was when he brushed his hair, then looked at himself and pushed down the bangs. You could literally hear him think
"Yeeeah...cool. (โโ _โ )"
I guess it's kind of like how everyone hates Peggy Hill. That's the point of the character.
DrSmoke ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 00:26:14 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Because most people are too dumb to "get it" and half of them think Venom is "cool"
[deleted] ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 00:21:02 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's what I was thinking after watching the scene. The symbiote fed into Peters ego and he felt like he was the coolest thing since sliced bread. He was a loser before he became Spider-Man though, so he really has no idea how to act cool. The beginning of the first movie shows him being picked on in school. It seems like he was acting how "cool" people do in movies, and was oblivious to how cringeworthy it was.
DrSmoke ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 00:27:02 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He was a loser before he became Spider-Man though, so he really has no idea how to act cool. The beginning of the first movie shows him being picked on in school. It seems like he was acting how "cool" people do in movies, and was oblivious to how cringeworthy it was.
This is exactly the point of the scene. Neither Parker, nor the alien know what it means to be "cool on Earth" .
DrSmoke ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 00:25:37 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Its supposed to be like that. The Venom suit can't "make you cool" its a fucking alien. It doesn't know what "cool" is, and neither does Peter Parker.
You're supposed to watch that scene and think "Oh, the venom suit is bad".
So, despite it saying in the movie that it amplifies traits, we're going to say that generic bad is the same as that? Why not make him a sarcastic ass to everyone to the point of being obnoxious? That would make actual sense.
Its actually a self destructive approach to coping with the loss of Mary Jane. Many people go into denile and try to vent that frustration by changing their entire wardrobe and identity. Venom feeds off of negativity and wants to promote this shitty character, which leads to a complete asshole character that hits Mary Jane with his back hand. Its such a sudden event that it had a direct emotion on the audience when i went and saw it. Everyone said audibly "oooooh!" When the hit happens, that it made everyone laugh because we all had the same reaction. So while the emo peter parker is cringy, it is a sort of logical look at someone very hurt from being separated and trying to move on. Then Venom makes him cocky and a fucking asshole. Classic Venom move.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:30:44 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
but it doesn't make sense for a witty and sarcastic character's traits to be enhanced along those lines.
The real issue is they shouldn't have been going for funny at all. Yeah Marvel movies have their share of humor which is fine but theres a time for humor and theres a time for suspense and they fucked it up.
It's not that any of the villains were bad in spiderman 3. Its that they added 3 completely unrelated villains, and put them into a 2 hour time slot. There's just no time for any kind of character development. These are people/things with backgrounds, stories, motives, and we didn't get to see any of that. We just saw them do random bad stuff in between peter parker going through a phase. That's why the movie sucked.
I think the point is that Raimi had nothing good to pull from this movie. It was crap. Like. As in crap in its original meaning. The sound of a fat juicy fucking turd loudly clapping onto the floor of an empty outhouse. Or empty theater by this point.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:56:44 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think you're right, they made it like that to show how much of an idiot it made him. Horribly obvious to everyone but him, he thinks he's cool because it made him so narcissistic.
Peter Parker didn't know what cool was. Emo Peter was cool in his mind, but he's even more of a loser to everyone else
brinz1 ยท 54 points ยท Posted at 21:58:25 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Just think about it for a second, the symbiote took away all peter's self doubt and made him arrogant.
The thing is, a black alien goo has no knowledge of what cool is on earth, so what you have is a nerd who has just as little understanding of being cool trying to act cool as hard as he can.
With that massive amount of effort and zero direction, of course he is going to come off looking like an ass.
You are supposed to hate symbiote Spiderman, you are supposed to cringe and get angry at it.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:37:34 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They could have done it in a million better ways then walking down the street dancing around
brinz1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:23:44 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
are you saying there is a way they could have made it where you hated it more?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:20:59 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They could have him be ridiculous confident and cocky at a bar, but instead of having a girl love him, have her turn him off or have a boyfriend or something. Have Peter be completely blind to her saying no (who would say no to spider man?) and maybe have him even beat up her boyfriend. Then you could have him almost rape her before finally clueing in whats going on.
brinz1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:28:33 on January 4, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
see, I think thats is a little too far. I would rather see parker be a cringe fest then someone like that
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:51:29 on January 4, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's not parker, it's the symbiote. It's parker that eventually comes too and fights it.
brinz1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:10:12 on January 4, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
its parker under the influence of the symbiote. The symbiote gives him new power and confidence but overwhelms his moral compass.
Yes. All of the awkward Peter Parker scenes could've been done in a better way... I know because any other way was better than the one that was chosen.
brinz1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:09:08 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The problem was, especially in the mid 2000s, is that being all dark and edgy was still very popular. Raimi didnt want a dark edgy spiderman, he didn't want a spiderman who embraced his inner darkness or became the spider punisher and he sure didnt want anyone in the cinema thinking it was cool or badass. Especially, at the time, that sort of cool, edgy thing was all the rage.
So he did just that. He showed the world what happens when a nerd tries to act cool and cranked it to 11
It reveals how confident he feels and how awkward he was, that he has no clue how to be cool, he's acting how he thinks it feels for others to be cool. I never knew anyone took that scene seriously wow.
I waited my enitre childhood and half my teenage years for a live action showdown of venom and spidey. I got Topher Grace with and a spiderman with no quips.
Totally, the real Venom was only in the movie for like 20 minutes, and he gets destroyed like a bitch without much of a fight. I'm really hoping with Marvel Studios help that Sony can figure out what the fuck they're doing with that franchise and make an awesome Venom vs. Spidey movie.
The thing is that the movie didn't have a way to show that the side effects of the suit were real bad.
The whole joke of it is that a guy like Brock gets it and he becomes a giant rage monster made of muscle and teeth.
But with Peter, the worst he can get is being a 1920 jazz guy. The whole Joke is that the worst version of Peter is just a slightly more annoying Peter Parker, while a kind of jerk becomes a death machine.
But they failed to show it to anyone who didn't know stuff going in.
I dunno man. They made him so awkward that you actually felt hate for a character you were... supposed to hate.
Sam Raimi is always good at nailing a certain emotion, and amplifying how much you're supposed to feel it.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:49:46 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe if they had parts with the music playing, then parts without.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:26:00 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It was written poorly. From my viewpoint, it's just phoned in. It was cast poorly, this scene is out of Toby's reach. Then again you don't drop your lead in the third act, so this again brings me back to point number one. It was performed poorly... It would've been hard to make this scene read right regardless, but Toby just couldn't do it.
Woyaboy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:02:18 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
See, this makes perfect sense to me because even the reactions on the girls faces are like "wow, that was god awful", we all feel the exact same way but instead of questioning just how much Peter has lost it, we question if it's the director whose lost it.
It may be dumb and shitty. But if there's a reason for it, I'm able to laugh at it more than dislike it. There's a difference to a character being shitty and a character being dumb.
There's a difference to a character being shitty and a character being dumb.
And in this movie, Emo Peter was both.
I don't really understand your argument. Name your worst movie. Would it surprise you if I told you the writers had a reason for doing the things you hated about it? Would you all of a sudden like it if I pointed that out?
I might not like it. But I wouldn't hate it either if I could see why they did it. In the case with Emo Peter, I can see what they were trying to show us, so I don't dislike it.
This isn't an issue of me not liking him. I don't like joffrey either and think he's a great character.
This is an issue of me thinking it was a stupid, shitty part of the movie.
It's kind of annoying how everyone keeps trying to tell me my opinion is invalid.
Igaunija ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:27:36 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's reddit for you.
ceedubs2 ยท 940 points ยท Posted at 18:20:59 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Okay, so I actually fucking love this movie. This movie is hilarious, but let's talk about the finger-guns for a sec.
Dr. Connors looks into the symbiote and learns that it amplifies their characteristics. So you know how when Peter is Spider-Man, and he's throwing out all these one-liners as he's dodging bullets and knocking out badguys? Alright, imagine that cranked to 11, then keep that persona on Peter Parker, who looks like a character from Silicon Valley.
Check out the scene again. At no point during his pelvic thrusts is anyone going, "Wow, what a stud!" No, everyone's like "Dude, who the fuck is this weird asshole?" This is like if Peter was drunk, but kept his mental faculties. In fact, I'm sure there's a good argument in there somewhere about how the symbiote could be about substance abuse and how your self-perception changes.
However, that scene where he's dancing is just dumb and weird. And it goes from everyone being wow'd by No-Chin Bangarang Peter pulling some oddball Footloose shit, to knocking Mary Jane to the floor and beating up bouncers. It gets awkward quick.
[deleted] ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 20:46:59 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Connors also said the symbiote was from the 70's. So he's acting like a disco stud
Obvious things like this are proof to me that 95% of haters and complainers honestly just don't understand the things they don't like (and just as often, they don't understand the things they like, either)
Spider-Man's one liners are a product of wit and sarcasm. Say it only amplifies negative characteristics, so it's amplifying sarcasm...that would mean he's doing all of that ironically?
I'm guessing you're perceiving his on-liners as douchey? That's the only thing I can see cranked up to 11.
To me, it's just a gross misunderstanding or bad reimagining of Peter Parker that led to this scene.
[deleted] ยท 42 points ยท Posted at 19:52:07 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Exactly my thoughts, in the Comic Peter becomes wildly sophisticated and his wit gets sharper and cuts deeper. It even goes as far as to take Peter with it and have them both fight crime all night while Peter was asleep. He only notices that it is alive because it saves on of Peter's girls without input from Peter. Also the only reason he takes it off is because it is trying to become part of him, not because it is bad or evil in any way. Then it gets mad and turns evil because Peter rejected it.
Also one of his villains mentions his new "organic webbing" which he never had before. But yes, his cuts would be deeper and more personal. Basically instead of being an annoying nerd he was a dick to his enemies and would hit them a lot harder and cared less about their safety.
Do you have any scans of examples? Never read too much spiderman before.
xaqaria ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:31:35 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Spider-man's one liners were always about peter being a huge dork. They are essentially dad jokes that are only funny to the reader because he was making them in the context of kicking someone's ass.
Jombo65 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:31:45 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
People always freak out about this...? This is the first time I've ever seen that scene and it was very obvious that he was being what he thought was cool.
MovieBob made this argument. His retrospective on Sam Ramey's Spiderman 1 and 2 are at least interesting, and he will defend parts of 3 but he downright loathes the new movies.
I agree with aboycandream, first one is actually pretty fun. You get different aspects of Peter Parker the Raimi films had trouble portraying. Second one though, while the Gwen Stacy stuff was well written, the movie itself added little to nothing to the story line as a whole. Didn't really need to be made.
As far as plot, the third movie makes the second very necessary. They're trying to build Spider-Man into a bigger universe instead of everything being so closed into a smaller world like the last trilogy.
He's a city's hero instead of the hero of his social group.
Yeah, he will already be an established hero, but still in high school. His first appearance will be in Captain America: Civil War, before spinning off in his own series. Quite likely that he'll be appearing in the Avengers: Infinity War movies as well.
I think it was what Peter, in his mind, perceived as "badass", and therefore the Venom symbiote could only use that as a reference for making Peter badass.
I have also read up on it. From what I understand many people want the black suit to make peter a "bad ass" but the thing is peter is not a bad ass, he is a nerd. So this "emo peter" is what a nerd released of his inhibitions thinks being cool is like.
Also from a structural level the black suit is a metaphor for steroid abuse, you the viewer should hate what the black suit is doing to peter, you should want him to get rid of it, not keep it because it makes him a badass.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:18:37 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't understand how people miss this. Like it's very very obvious. Even the people in the scene around Peter are like "what the fuck is this guy doing".
This is a lot like Final Fantasy X's infamous laughing scene. It was meant to be the most cringe-filled thing you'd ever seen. That's the entire point of the scene when taken in context of the rest of the game up to that point. But everyone just pulls that one scene out to laugh at the game whenever it gets brought up.
Exactly right. It's supposed to be awkward and weird. Hence, I'm perfectly OK with Emo Peter, because it makes me cringe. I never understood why people don't get that.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:13:36 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, people seem to be missing that they were designing it so that Peter Parker thought he was being super slick; and he's not, because that's who his character is.
Serath62 ยท 73 points ยท Posted at 18:02:50 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This particular scene was so cringey, but there's also another scene (which I can't seem to find) where Peter sees his reflection and makes his hair "emo".
The whole character arc was just stupid.
DrSmoke ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 00:28:54 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Its supposed to be like that. The Venom suit can't "make you cool" its a fucking alien. It doesn't know what "cool" is, and neither does Peter Parker.
You're supposed to watch that scene and think "Oh, the venom suit is bad".
I think it was that Sam Raimi was forced to make that movie in a way he didn't want to. So he went full-retard with it.
Choco316 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 23:13:00 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So it's widely known that the studio started interfering with Sam Raimi on making Spider-Man 3, and I'm convinced this scene was a giant middle finger at the studio
I think it's supposed to be like that. He's a really uncool person who is trying to act like he's pretty sure the cool people do and it comes off how you'd expect that to go.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:20:02 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Here I go again, defending this scene for its genius... Look man, you have to think about what type of person Peter Parker is. He's a NERD. And as a nerd he's doing things he thinks are cool! So in the finger guns scene, do you see the women scoff and laugh? Of course they are. They are cringing themselves because that's the whole point..! The scene is perfect because it just reinforces Parker's natural persona.
How did this go through multiple levels of writing, directing, and quality control, and not be vetoed at any step??
I hope this encourages people to look at movies differently, to understand plot mechanics and dynamic characters, instead of watching them straight from face value.
Have you ever watched a Sam Raimi movie before? He's the king of intentional cheese.
Check out Armies Of Darkness. You'll get it.
mrgermy ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:39:07 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What hurts me the most is one of my favorite directors put that out...
pgibso ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:17:16 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Look- Sam Raimi had his hand forced in script Changes- essentially having him make a film e didn't want to make. The studio pushed him into telling the Venom tale which in turn required evil Peter Parker- Sam admitted the space alien/ dark take on Peter was completely out of his wheel house in comfort- so as a way to try and grapple with the subject matter he clung to hammy sci fi movies from the 50s like the blob. He didn't want to make Parker evil so he thought somehow making it humorous and laughable would offset this dilemma. This is what we got.
DrSmoke ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:30:24 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Venom doesn't just "make you evil" its a performance enhancing drug. It fucks with your personality in more subtle ways, which is why Rami did his movie perfect. Stupid venom fans just didn't like it, and dumb people didn't get it.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:27:46 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Cocaine.
DrSmoke ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:25:14 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Its supposed to be like that. The Venom suit can't "make you cool" its a fucking alien. It doesn't know what "cool" is, and neither does Peter Parker.
You're supposed to watch that scene and think "Oh, the venom suit is bad".
You so obviously and clearly missed the point. Let me guess, you hate catcher in the rye because you hate holden caufield?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:10:04 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Someone probably already told you, but thanks for mentioning jar jar before anyone else got the chance. Half of this thread would have been star wars bullshit. And it's a good thread!
Okay. I am dealing with the President of a major picture company right now. They do not read anything, emails, scripts, anything. They say they do, but they don't. Even when they have to or must, they don't. Truth is accountants are in charge and they rush the timetable forcing the creative hand. That is why some directors have really excelled and others it eats alive.
The whole thing is an extended reference to the movie The Mask, starring Jim Carrey.
I'm not joking--watch The Mask and then watch these scenes again. The resemblance cannot be an accident.
Especially since all the Spider-Man movies have such references in them. In the first movie it calls out to Tim Burton's Batman (with the big balloons), and the original Superman (landing lightly in the roof with the girl) within the span of just a few minutes.
Torgvarr ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:52:10 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's supposed to be hated. Just because you are suddenly injected with a boost of confidence doesn't automatically make you cool. He's an awkward nerd so of course arrogant Peter is going to be awkward too. It's cringe worthy intentionally I feel.
This is what an awkward and shy kid things acting cool is. It's cringy because of it. Peter can't actually be cool, but the confidence gives him the want to act cool.
I liked this scene. The Venom was making him super egotistical and that's what his ego looked like when its augmented and deformed. Kinda like The Mask..
See now, that's where you're mistaken. QA sees the problems, and tells the people capable of the problem, and they com back and say "nah, ship it". Really, its not hard to spot flaws with an objective group reviewing it for weeks on end.
As the production cycle progresses, the flaws are incorporated into the final product and as you watch the names scroll by in the credits, you wonder to yourself "The fuck were they paying tose people for?" I promise you; QA Knows, but QA lacks the authority to affect change.
Repeat ad nauseam
octnoir ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:17:08 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
To be fair, it looks like Tobey Maguire is having a ton of fun.
Think of it like an anti drug/drinking campaign where they show someone saying that being drunk/stoned makes them so much cooler. Then it shows how cringed they are when drunk/stoned. That's what they are trying to show occurring with the symbiote. I was actually pretty impressed with them conveying that in a short time frame. In the comics, that was a pretty long arc...
I know!!! How did this go through marketing and probably a test audience and pass??? And directors. And producers. And other studio big wigs. I'm stumped.
I imagine him more like in the scene where Spidey is stopping the train in SM2. Except it's in prison. And his arms are being held back by two inmates instead of webs. And the train is actually a guy named "Bubba".
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:59:50 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Check your microaggressions bro.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:07:58 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The cringe.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:09:02 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
oh you dont want to load you shit? fine i wont fucking watch you.
This was intentional. He's an awkward kid given the role of a hero overnight, and now he's on top of the world. You're supposed to laugh/cringe at him. Thats the fucking point.
Emo Peter Parker got banned from so many elementary schools for this scene.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:59:49 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Say what you want about this scene but I think it goes well with the dynamic of the movie. Yes it is cringey. Yes it is hilariously unfounded. Yes it makes you hate Tobey Maguire but remember that Peter is supposed to be a geek. He doesn't really know how to be cool unless he has the suit on. When the symbiote attaches to him he becomes vain and overly confident. Now imagine the most socially awkward and quiet guy you know getting a huge does of testosterone and confidence. That's what this is. I hate the scene just as much as anyone else but you're suppose to. You're suppose to laugh at him and wonder what the hell he's doing. That's what the whole point of the scene was for me, at least. To show how greatly the symbiote has affected Peter and changed him. Maybe they could have shown it in a different way but I think this works too.
I love when he's dancing in front of the store those two women give him a weird look, huddle closer and walk away slightly faster. They know he's crazy!
west2021 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:59:01 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I must be the only person in the world who thought that part was funny and even appropriate... because it showed how the black goop had completely changed his personality...
I'm with you. I thought it was funny, but the best overall explanation I've heard given for that scene is that it's supposed to be what a total nerd's idea of what cool is. That being the case, I think it was perfect.
sane-ish ยท 105 points ยท Posted at 20:16:17 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If you've seen other Sam Rami films you know that he loves cheese. It was meant to be cringey. I thought that was a highlight of that movie.
But, as a whole I didn't like Spiderman 3. Sandman was great, but the other characters were shoehorned in. Venom as Topher Grace was a miscast.
There was too much going on without a good reason. Typical sequel_itis issues.
Haven't actually seen the movie, but that's exactly what it made me think. Looked like a total nerd's interpretation of what women mean when they say they like men with "confidence."
Still pretty corny, but there's no way it was meant to be serious.
If you think people watch movies you should come over to /r/fantheories some time where James Bond is a codename, Interstellar operates on the same time travel logic as Back to the Future, and Bender is only a criminal because of an electric shock in the first episode of Futurama.
Well then I guess I'm a total nerd... I was 9 when I saw this movie and I thought Peter Parker was so cool. No shame, this scene awakened me sexually. I don't know what it is, but it still gets to me a little.
I just thought it was that he got a ton of confidence from it. So basically he is still a completely socially awkward nerd but with a ton of confidence and was trying to be smooth.
He did. He thought he was cool. That's the whole point. Think of the suit as an allegory for drugs or drinking. Being drunk can be fun but being around drunk people tends not to be fun.
I thought the whole point was that it was cringe inducing! They couldn't reasonably have such a dorky Peter turn into the actual Fonz, no one would have bought it.
You know when they say "He was always so quit. I never would have expected it."? We're the quiet ones. Let them talk trash about the emo Peter scene. We're watching.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:12:48 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I never realized what it meant plot wise, but i remember seeing the dance scene on youtube with a friend of mine and we were like "we gotta go fucking see this shit."
It's like in Spider-man 2 when he loses his powers and goes on a goody walk with the "raindrops falling on my head" song. It was goody there too, on purpose.
Well, what it had done was amplify his confidence. Unfortunately, he has zero social skills and no charisma, so he's confident enough to try and act suave and cool, and fails miserably.
He'd have gotten along a lot better if he'd just said "Bitch, don't laugh at me, I'm motherfucking Spider-man." and then punched a hole in a wall. He'd suffocate under all the panties flying at him at that point.
People forget how darkly-themed that movie actually was (violence, suicide, sexual assault). The main character was made out to be self-absorbed and immature. Although that scene was played for laughs, they were at his expense.
I thought it was a good idea. How would the black suit know what was cool or not? It just took Peters geeky idea of cool and made him represent it. This is the result.
[deleted] ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 18:30:47 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That scene was hilarious. And very well done, tbh. Parker's still a nerd, but he has confidence and no idea what he's doing. The scene on the street with all the disgusted looking women was done really well IMO.
[deleted] ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 19:01:02 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Spiderman 3 has a lot of problems but this scene isn't one of them, it's totally intentionally hilarious. Have you guys never seen a Sam Raimi film before? This is exactly the kind of thing he finds funny.
DrSmoke ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 00:41:57 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Have you guys never seen a Sam Raimi film before?
Most people ITT are probably 15 so I'm guessing not.
Honestly I think that's the point. Peter doesn't know how to be cool, so he acts how he thinks cool people act. I'm not trying to defend the movie, I know it's not very good, I'm only stating what I think went through the writers heads.
calibos ยท 144 points ยท Posted at 18:47:13 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't know why that even needs to be explained. People are sneering at him and staring at him. They play dumb music. Those scenes weren't written to make him seem cool. They were written to make him look like an asshole and to be humorous. If, rather than turning into a cocky jerk, Peter suddenly got super cool when he got the symbiote, where would the conflict in the movie be?
You are absolutely correct, that scene is so blatantly depicting him as a loser scumbag who thinks he is cool, not as someone who is actually cool. I don't understand how people don't see that. Are people really so starved of social interaction that they can't pick up on that? It practically punches you right in the face with it.
[deleted] ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 19:22:42 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I thought I was taking crazy pills. Everyone saying it's supposed to be awkward...well duh, what else would have been the point of that scene? Obviously they weren't trying to actually make him look cool, seeing as every girl laughs at him and avoids him.
I get the point of it, the problem is that I don't find it funny. He can't feel any shame so I'm feeling it for him.
DrSmoke ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 00:34:55 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Its NOT SUPPOSED TO BE FUNNY. Its supposed to be bad, and awkward, and you're supposed to hate it, the whole point is to make you "not like the suit, to see its bad, and want him to take it off".
Do you really not get this, do you not get any movies or books or anything that doesn't spell everything out for you?
Even still, I just hate seeing awkwardness in things. I also dont like superhero movies when the hero spends half the time being a complete moron. It's just personal preference.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:39:37 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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DrSmoke ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 00:35:32 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You're factually wrong.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:25:16 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's not that people are missing the point; its that there are a million better ways they could have depicted it.
You can make a character into a wanna be cool kid who the world really sees as a creep without making those scenes physically painful for the audience to watch. It was executed poorly.
DrSmoke ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 00:35:19 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Its supposed to be bad, and awkward, and you're supposed to hate it, the whole point is to make you "not like the suit, to see its bad, and want him to take it off".
Do you really not get this, do you not get any movies or books or anything that doesn't spell everything out for you?
Until this thread I didn't even know there was a debate it was anything but him being an asshole.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:22:21 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's kind of the problem. I don't need to be punched in the face to figure all that shit out. It was ham-fisted to an extreme.
DrSmoke ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 00:36:22 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Wrong. Otherwise this wouldn't the number 1 answer ITT. Everyone didn't get this movie. People ITT are autistic. Look how many people just in this comment chain still dont' get it
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:48:56 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Just because some people might need it doesn't make it smart or even good filmmaking.
DrSmoke ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 00:33:35 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't understand how people don't see that. Are people really so starved of social interaction that they can't pick up on that?
Apparently.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:33:30 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
How dare you call James Brown dumb!
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:21:25 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The conflict would be that the suit has turned him to everything he wanted to be, at the expense that he becomes more "evil", more likely to just take what he wants, more likely to take the easy way out of whatever situation he finds himself in. The suit is amoral and causes Peter to take on its bad traits as well as the one that suit him.
The way it was portrayed in the cartoon was Peter getting a fancy suit and behaving like an alpha jock, threatening to beat the crap out of Flash and being a dick to most other people. He reigned in when he was about to murder Rhino and realised something must've been wrong with him.
In the movie, he suddenly gets dance moves, a terrible haircut and inexplicable piano skills. Sure, he's a loser douche, but where did those amazing new skills come from? The walk down the street with the dancing and finger guns was ok. The bar scene was too far. It was weird, inappropriate and unbelievable.
DrSmoke ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 00:38:40 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
An alien suit doesn't know what "cool" is. It can't make you a nerd "cool" they did a perfect job with that scene.
he suddenly gets dance moves
So? Hes trying to dance, so what? Obvious hes seen some people dance before, and thats him trying, poorly. This scene was fine.
. It was weird, inappropriate and unbelievable.
He's a "Spider-Man" wearing an "alien symbiotic suit" and him dancing is too weird for you? You just couldn't get over the fact that it wasn't the same story from the comic. You're probably one of those people that think Venom was a good character too.
Deris87 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:25:34 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Peter suddenly got super cool when he got the symbiote, where would the conflict in the movie be?
In the fact that it's turning him into a violent sociopath?
DrSmoke ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 00:37:17 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
An alien suit can't "make you cool" it doesn't know what "cool" is.
Maybe it was the "space jazz powers of alien goo"?
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:51:14 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Peter parker has always been a complete dork. That was part of the appral of Spider-Man in the beginning. I don't know why people forget this.
rocer4ya ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:23:40 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm with the panda, Peter Parkers character at it's core is a teenager. I think he's permanently 17 or 18 or something like that. And wearing all black and dancing weird were totally things that I did as an 18 year old trying to be cool.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:27:27 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'd say you're right on point here in identifying their intentions. However, they wrote them into the script in a way that just doesn't read and is beyond the actor's grasp.
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 18:29:35 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I love that scene omfg. It's the one of the reasons I'm like "you know what, I might watch spiderman 3".
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:59:03 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's really the whole point of it though, isn't it?
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Zachstir ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 18:16:23 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:20:25 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The Emo Peter Parker Scene was a reference to Superman III and the Evil Superman that results from exposure to the Pseudo-Kryptonite. The point of the scene is that Peter Parker doesn't really have any evil in him, so he just becomes kind of a douchebag. And like the same scene in Superman III, it's played for laughs.
This is later contrasted against Eddie Brock, who becomes a vicious killer under the influence of the symbiote.
That scene is supposed to be like that. The venom suit is bad, it doesn't make you cool, you're not supposed to like it when Peter wears the venom suit.
The only reason this scene was so misunderstood, is a bunch of kids like the Venom character, because they're dumb kids, and they didn't get it.
I think what a lot of people miss about Emo Peter Parker is it is supposed to be terrible. Peter Parker is such a good guy that when he is under the influence of the symbiot him being "evil" just makes him a bigger dork.
KassHS ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:22:37 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I still prefer the original trilogy and Tobey to the new movies.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:14:07 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think it's a fascinating critique of his inherent goodness and immaturity. I mean, he's so goofy and innocent that when his dark side is supercharged by a parasite he just wants to dress like bisexual cell phone salesman and do pimp strolls down the street, and, like swing dance. When your version of evil is a J.Crew hepcat, you know, how bad can you really be?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:24:30 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Emo Anakin while we are at it...
Jesus christ it was so painful to watch
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:25:08 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Isn't he the spitting image of some lesbian musician?
I remember when Spill.com gave this movie a "better than sex" rating, I just stopped going to their videos.
amaxen ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:22:32 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think Emo Vader from the new Ep 7 has him beat by a mile. I seriously thought he'd start crying and demanding the stormtroopers 'leave Brittany alone' after the first minute of screentime.....
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:55:34 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Okay, so there are some characters in this thread that we're actually supposed to hate, so it doesn't seem fair to list them. But Emo Peter Parker was so bad (or so good) that we ended up not just hating him, but hating everyone involved in making the movie that spawned him. To be quite honest, that's either the biggest fail, or the most genius move ever.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:24:21 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:10:45 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
People who like emo Peter are probably also fans of artsy male model Amazing Spidey. Fucking cant stand Garfield.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:37:26 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
why?
he's a loser, the virus just increases his confidence so he goes out like what he'd think is cool (but isn't) and has no reservations
IHNE ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:43:22 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Lol
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:14:15 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My date offered to pay me back for her ticket because how terrible of a movie it was. Regardless of the reason for the 5 minute Monty Python-esque montage in the middle of the film, it was just awful. It still makes angry to think about how bad it was. I hate being, you know, THAT guy. But as a nerd it offended me. I mean, come on- he uses he new found cosmic evil black suit powers to jazz dance on tables?! Just, guh...
That movie pissed me off so much. Venom is my favorite Spiderman villain and I was so excited to finally see him on the big screen. But noooooo some stupid Sandman I've never heard of is the big villain while Venom gets hardly any screen time except for when he's making Peter Parker all angsty as the symbiote.
They advertised Venom, but it was all Sandman. Shenanigans.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:42:50 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
emo peter isnt okay but for now redditors think emo kylo ren is
I wanna watch that scene from the Civil War trailer where Winter Soldier and Captain America are tag team beating the shit out of Iron Man, but with emo Peter Parker as the bitch.
DrSmoke ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 00:31:35 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Congrats on being one of millions of people too stupid to understand the very complicated movie that is Spiderman 3
Khers ยท 2381 points ยท Posted at 18:41:52 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ramsay Bolton.
Suddenly we have this larger than life villain-sue character that can do no wrong.
I mean him and his twenty goodmen would probably take down the whitewalkers at this point.
I also felt like they sort of just stood there while he was unlocking the cages? Like, Asha (is that her name?) and her group were a few yards away but for some reason just kept begging Theon to help them.
I believe it is Yara in the show so to avoid the confusion witb Osha the Wildling (which is kind of amusing since Theon even remarks on their similar names and how both vex him)
[deleted] ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 02:18:40 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:52:40 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My guess is that they figured people aren't going to confuse Arya, one of the major characters, with Yara, while Asha and Osha aren't on the show nearly as much.
I meant once he actually let himself go all out. Gohan is a tier above anyone at the end of that season. I mean he literally punches cell so hard that he regurgitates 18.
zenofire ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 01:21:19 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
She's Known for her ability to throw Axes with Extreme precision! Toss one at him!
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:03:59 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And ruin such perfect torso? That's some crazy thought/s.
Twad_feu ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 04:35:00 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The combat scene itself was bad, since one would think that "elite pirates" would be used to fight in very close quarters (because boats arent very spacious to fight in) in non-optimal conditions ... but all we get are clumsy mooks being useless in a fight.
But wtf at this...really? You made it this far, theon is right there and u can kill ramsy?! And dogs scare you off?! Worst you let him unlick the door!
[deleted] ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 04:59:41 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This is the thing that probably annoys me the most about it. Yara/Asha makes this big deal about how important her brother is to her and even goes so far as to defy her father to get him back. But after the first attempt fails she just completely gives up.
At the end of season 3, they sets sail to Winterfell vowing to bring her brother back and we got that lame scene in the next season. Got scared of dogs? After breaking into Winterfell?! Such a waste!
Ghitzo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:26:41 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This is why I'm not too worried about season 6 coming out before Winds of Winter.
It all ends with Ramsay Bolton on the Iron Throne after the hardest battle ever fought, in which the combined forces of the seven kingdoms (including Roose, who has grown to fear the power of his bastard's bare chest) and Essos are defeated by 22 good men.
Oh dear lord we have really wait that long for the books? I haven't been over to /r/asoiaf since around the start of season 5 as I didn't want spoilers for the books. Last I heard was sometime in 2016 I guess he's up to 2017 now?
[deleted] ยท 27 points ยท Posted at 23:28:27 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
GRRM recently posted about this. In brief, he and his publishers were hoping for book 6 to be published before season 6, but the deadline to do so was the end of 2015. GRRM has not met this deadline, and reckons AT BEST that there is is another few months of writing left.
I'm therefore cautiously optimistic for a release in the latter half of this year.
[deleted] ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 01:45:15 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:47:35 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Thanks for the info. I appreciate it. I have waited this long I guess I can handle a few more months.
DrSmoke ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 00:49:49 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No months dude. Did you not read the post? tWoW will not be out in 2016, almost for sure. He's got many chapters left to write, and publishing takes three months alone.
Everyone on that sub is projecting 2017 for tWoW based on what we know now.
I'm therefore cautiously optimistic for a release in the latter half of this year.
You realise that he even gave him himself an out for that ETA?
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 06:44:53 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Not fucking around my personal fan theory is that Ramsay Snow is Azor Ahai. Azor Ahai the original guy was an asshole who slaughtered his own wife to make his mystical sword so he could defeat his foes. So we know the original mystical warrior was a sadistic bastard, and when Mellisandre tries to see Azor Ahai she says "All I see is Snow", which is likely not Jon Snow because she had met Jon Snow several times and would likely recognize him. In my mind the only other high born snow at the time, and the only one twisted enough to be him is Ramsay Snow.
In the books I'd describe him as a more brutish fighter more then clumsy; clumsy make me think almost comical.
I thought the imagery was really striking when you picture a prick high-born bastard hacking away atsoldiers small folk and prisoners scared shitless while being accompanied by a gang of competent/semi-competent Northern cut throats that fear Ramsey in a way but many are poised to to kill him if they were really told to do so.
Pacify_ ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:00:30 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Nope, earlier than that. He kills several ironborn on Theon's orders to cover up the Bran/Rickon ruse.
Khers ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 01:11:07 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ah, yes, those three. They were assassinated and not killed in single combat. If I recall one had a cut throat and one was pushed down some stairs. Pretty easy for someone dressed as Reek to surprise them.
Similar thing happened with the Wilding spearwives that assassinated several people in Winterfell.
He killed 3 paranoid ironborn warriors, but sure, he isn't a fighter. I'd point out that you haven't provided any evidence that he's not a fighter, but I'm sure you'll handwave that as well.
There's a big difference between an assassin and a fighter. Arya managed to kill a Bolton guard on her way out of Harrenhal, but that doesn't make her a better fighter than he was. In a straight up fight, I'd take any of those Ironborn over Ramsay.
I'd point out that you haven't provided any evidence that he's not a fighter, but I'm sure you'll handwave that as well.
maanu123 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:13:47 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Honestly that part wasn't so bad. He wasn't exactly a BAD fighter in the books, just a clumsy one. In a fair one on one, a good knight should've been able to beat him. But the Iron Islanders aren't reknown for their amazing warriors. Their men are RAIDERS. They're used to rushing in, slaying the small resistance and townsfolk, and leaving quickly after sacking the place. When they went to rescue Theon, their level of skill was on par with any man at arms. Add this to the fact that they're in a dark castle, with full mail, and they're pretty cumbersome. Rasmay may have not worn clothes, but the ferocity of his attacks kept the Ironmen from really being able to land a blow on him. This plus he just had sex plus he was in his home territory plus he was surrounded by tons of Boltons who would flay a child for him. He was pretty confident.
Actually, I think it's Roode Bolton that describes him as a very competent fighter. I'm reading ADWD right now, and at no point have I gotten the impression that he's not a good fighter.
It kinda makes sense in that the Ironborn (with exception of Victarion and possibly Euron) are actually pretty terrible warriors. Their only strength lies in taking their enemies completely off guard. I.e. - reaving coastal villages and the surprise attacks of towns, villages, and islands mostly free of their soldiers.
They're at least heavily implied to be pretty terrible at actual battle.
And Ramsay is constantly surrounded by competent Bolton warriors and his fellow genuinely sadistic fucks who love nothing more than rape, torture, and murder.
REkTeR ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:16:53 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The show has parted very significantly with the books in many areas by this point. I'm not sure that I would characterize "he's a bit different than he is in the books" as a valid critique of whether or not it works in the series.
Not disagreeing with your point at all. I just don't understand how "like a butcher chopping meat" is a a good way to decribe someone who isn't good with a blade. A butcher is a profession that is entirely based on precision while cutting meat.
Martin has stated they ultimately lead to the same destination, but kind of take place in different universes. Don't expect exact portrayals.
Hickspy ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 00:49:56 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's not the issue. They can portray him however they like, but they seem to be treating him as the only character who pulls off every single thing without a hitch in order to justify whatever story choices they need to make.
I think it's a nice change. Before Bolton came on Joffrey was the supreme shit cunt. And you loved it. Now what if I had told you there would be a character you would despise and even fear more than Joffrey? You wouldn't believe me. What if Bolton was just like his book counterpart? He would just be another Joffrey. In the show he is worse than Joffrey because not only is he a supreme shit cunt, but he is also a fucking A fighter.
I actually liked the idea of having a character who was evil as Joffrey, but was intelligent and considered an outcast like Tyrion. But they just made him too lucky.
I really love it when Roose wrecks his shit. "Don't make me regret the day I raped your mother", I would pay to see Ramsay's face when he hears that from his father.
Wazula42 ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 21:51:20 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He's not totally incompetent, he's got a certain cunning that even his father appreciates even if he doesn't fully trust him. What he isn't is a genius military supergod who can take down an army of 50k with 20 frat boys and a lighter.
It's a season 5 problem though isn't it? I haven't read the books, but in the other seasons that's kinda what he came off as. Maybe not incompetent as he didn't do much at all, but certainly looked like he wouldn't be able to do stuff. Then suddenly he's an absolute monster of a tactician in S05.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:03:11 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
being pretty incompetent outside of torturing folks.
That character already exists though. They call him Joffrey.
Joffrey is very tame compared to Ramsay. The sexual sadism didn't exist in the books, he was more of a bratty selfish kid who stumbled into power. Joffrey is like the Ethan Couch to Ramsay's over enthusiastic Gitmo prison guard.
Haven't seen the show, but it kind of upsets me to hear this.
I fucking hate the cunt, want him to die a terrible painful death. But the beauty in his character is his relative worthlessness. Protected by his dad's goons and has to use tricks and back handedness to survive.
The show is supposed to be different, which I think a lot of people are missing. It's going to continue and overtake the books, so it has been deliberately written to firstly, appeal to TV. This means cutting some characters, and merging others, and secondly the story line goes in a different direction to the books. They should (apparently) both reach the same destination but the path they take are different.
If people are expecting an exact re-telling of the book they will be disappointed.
I wasn't expecting an exact retelling, I've seen enough movie adaptations to realize that's a bad idea. But turning the bastard Bolton into some invincible genius who knows all is just a bad idea. You can make a brute sadist work on tv, there was no reason to change him.
I've already heard enough differences between the books and the show to know that they need to be seen in a different light, but they're still related and change doesn't need to be forced on something.
He isn't invincible, he only been in a few fights. Once against the iron-born, and once he was sneaking around and not actually fighting anyone.
I'm not sure where people are getting this idea he is amazing. He sacks a castle by seieging it, then lies to get them to open the door, once they are sufficiently weakened of course. Unless he was commanding for the big fight at the end of the last season that is not a lot of combat.
Not true, he's even more diabolical in the books. Did you note that, posing as Reek I, it was by Ramsay's own suggestion that Theon burned those kids, which he was then ostensibly tortured for? Shit's fucked up.
I stopped watching the show once sansa was revealed in open defiance of kings landing. I know the writers have to take some license but i noped out after that
I saw a great argument that this is one of the changes from books to show that actually makes a lot of sense.
Because there's always been the question of why Roose keeps Ramsay around; Roose is clearly clever and savvy enough to realise that Ramsay is bad news and likely responsible for the deaths of Roose's legitimate heirs. In the show, Ramsay at least appears to be useful. In the books, well why had Roose bothered keeping him alive? Sure, it makes sense now that he's using Ramsay for marriage to get Winterfell; but what about before? When Ramsay was just running around being crazy, alienating the other northern houses. He was just a massive loose end that Roose never bothered to clear up; that seems very unlike Roose to me. At least in the show, Ramsay has some use to Roose, just as a simple problem solver or a dog Roose can threaten to unleash. I feel like if I was a northern lord and someone said book Ramsay was coming for me, I'd just hole up in my castle and laugh. But show Ramsay has actually achieved things on his own, I don't need to hear that he's being backed by his father to be afraid because he's at least capabale on his own.
MrFrodoo ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 00:24:38 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well by now you should realise that the show has its own twists and plots to the story. I don't know why People constantly need to compare both. A tv show is a different form of media entirely. Thus it will be different. Besides just because something is different in the book, doesn't necessarily make it better
They just made him into an untouchable cartoon villain. There are some changes that were good or at least lateral, Ramsay wasn't one of them.
MrFrodoo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:49:47 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Show isnt over is it? Yes I agree that Ramsays character is annoying due to the fact that he is untouchable. They did mess that up a bit but I still stand by my point.
Ya, thought that was really weak. Army approaching their enemy, no sentries or anything, nobody sees anything till its all over.
SerLaron ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:50:41 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
There is actually a real-life example for that. In the Winter War, the Soviets were pretty much bumbling fools and the Finnish forces fought with the uttmost competence, speed and agression. A raid like that of Ser Twenty of House Goodmen was kind of par for the course there.
Khers ยท 25 points ยท Posted at 21:32:09 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Except the fact that Stannis is hailed as one of the most competent generals in all of Westeros and Ramsay is just a sadistic bastard.
While in the finnish Winter War most competent Russian generals had been killed/executed and they were incredibly disorganised.
SerLaron ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:21:47 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, but it is not the king or his generals who have to stand watch in the atrocious weather of a northern winter night. Show-Ramsay is a few grades above book-Ramsay in most non-torture related things in any case.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:40:48 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Let's not forget that Stannis' army is not made up of North men. I don't want to excuse the idea of Ramsay pulling it off, as I also don't like that plot line. But, it's not entirely out of the realm of possibility. Especially if Roose actually gave him his top men. They just sneak in and set some shit on fire. It's not like they killed Stannis in his sleep. They snuck up on cold, tired southerners. Even Stannis ordered the guards hanged because they were either involved or incompetent.
tuhn ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 00:30:21 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hungry, tired guards probably in wrong equipment, camp set in middle of a snow storm in lands that they don't know with untrustworthy mercenaries among them which means that the guards can't recognize everyone.
Risky move but totally plausible to pull that off.
SerLaron ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:16:57 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And in a northern winter night, the guards would huddle close to the fire. Of course this would blind them to everything that happens a few paces away.
Look at the way he was raised. Bastard son of a father always just dangling legitimacy in front of you? He only gave his approval whenever Ramsey was cold or evil.
I could sympathize with Ramsey a lot more than spoiled Jeoffrey
I think you mean sadistic. Masochistic people enjoy taking abuse, sadists enjoy doling it out. The term "sadism" derives from the Marquis de Sade, who wrote The 120 Days of Sodom.
By his mother. Roose didn't raise Ramsay, he was just aware of his existence. By all accounts, Roose's trueborn son, Domeric, was a good person who got excited when he heard he had a half brother. Roose tells him not to seek Ramsay out, but Domeric does anyway, and mysteriously dies in agony shortly after meeting Ramsay. Ramsay's a monster who felt his half-brother was in the way of his legitimacy, and it's only after Domeric is dead that Roose realizes Ramsay is essentially his one shot at continuing the Bolton line. Aside from Domeric, Boltons are just fucking evil, no matter how they're raised.
Aalnius ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:20:32 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
meh theyre both pretty similiar tbh except bolton atleast has a bit of an excuse.
Joffrey was given everything and could of been nice and still become king with a wife and a life of luxury.
But instead he abused his power and wielded it over people like a complete and utter twat, there really isnt much cause from the show anyway.
I've yet to read anything truly bad happening to him that he didnt provoke in the book but im only a couple hundred pages into the first one.
Whereas bolton was brought up to be shitty to people, he was a bastard mistreated by people just because he didnt come out of the right woman.
So he worked to gain his fathers approval which is done by doing his bidding in torturing people and shit.
Now either he always enjoyed it which makes him shitty or he learned to enjoy it as he associates torturing people with getting his fathers affection or something like that which is still shitty.
but in my eyes bolton had more reason for becoming a twisted fuck nugget of evil then joffrey did.
[deleted] ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 21:49:08 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The Boltons were always like that. The Flayed Man has been their banner for ages, and I'm pretty sure Ned Stark had to keep a tight reign on them in the days before the books.
I feel bad for Theon. Theon was boned from the git-go - his father basically doesn't give a shit about him, and all the 'bad' things Theon did, he did to get back in his father's good graces. Then, when he finally has that revelation of how badly he did fuck up, he gets Ramsay'd. Nobody deserves that.
[deleted] ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 23:21:04 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I find it vastly distasteful, but he was in for a pound at that point. To back down was to show weakness, and his Iron Island boys were already looking for a reason to piss on him. He was too invested in his scheme at that point to have any other real option.
Get ready for a bad case of the blue balls. You're going to get hooked, you're going to be amazed, you're going to become enthralled, and then you're going to wait.
Aalnius ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 12:11:14 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
meh thats fine i now have an eternal case of reading blue balls thanks to discworld.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:17:36 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You'll change your mind after you read the books I'm sure.
Joffrey was beaten, abused and neglected by his father. His mother is Cersei. I'll let that speak for itself.
Ramsey, while having a shitty dad and a raped mother, not only killed his brothers but probably took pleasure in it.
Joffrey enjoyed feeling powerful because he had always felt powerless. Ramsey enjoys seeing others in pain. He loves it. It is not about power, it's about sadism. That is the difference here.
This is a much better response than the others that I have read so far (havent read them all yet.) Very good point. I still feel that Ramsay is a greater caliber of evil, but I agree that he has more excuse than Joffrey.
In the books Roose Bolton was pretty much told that some lieelte psycho was wreaking havoc killing locals and mutilating stock, He was the windmill girls's bastard and looked very much like Roose, so could you kindly go down and sort out your mess please.
When he saw the kid he decided to take him home and over time he killed off his two natural born half brothers without any evidence to point to him, the implication for Roose was that no other sons would ever survive.
chowler ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 06:08:21 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Roose raped Ramsay's mother because her husband didn't inform him of the wedding and then a few years later she brought him to the Dreadfort and purely due to Ramsey's eyes did Roose accept him as his son. He also killed the miller how married the woman.
You are correct in that Ramsay probably killed Domeric with poison, however it was only one son, not two. Roose does fear that Ramsay will kill the child in Walda though.
How is Geoffrey more psychopathic than Ramsay? I mean they are both pretty insane but even at his worst Geoffrey doesnt display the same kind of enjoyment towards the pain of others that Ramsay does. Geoffrey is just a spoiled brat. Ramsay likes hurting people for the sake of hurting people.
Joffrey kills cats for fun and constantly torments his little brother. There's a scene in the books where he blasts a bunch of hungry people with his crossbow, and in the show he does the same to a certain character I won't name in case you haven't seen it yet. Basically, the only reason Joffrey never made it to Ramsay's level is because he isn't old enough. If those two ever met they'd be fast friends.
I will say that in all fairness I havent read the books so I cant comment on that. I do recall the crossbow scene and felt that it was very out of place because he never displays that kind of sadism anywhere else in the show.
It is unclear whether Ramsay enjoys it because it makes his father proud or because he is an inherent psychopath, whereas Geoffrey certainly enjoys it. Ramsay is more of a product of his enviroment, whereas Geoffrey had the choice to be a just king. We have to remember the circumstances around Ramsays birth, his mother was raped by his father after his father has her husband murdered. Ramsay spends his life trying to get his father's attention and part of this is acting like a true Bolton-which means being a psychopath.
This is the worst part of the show IMO. There's been a ridiculous amount of screentime for a minor character and virtually no plot progression for nothing other than torture porn.
I am actually really upset that they had Sansa in That Scene. You know the one. Why? There's already so much of that, and the TV show just straight up adds even MORE. Sansa didn't need to be brought down like that.
[deleted] ยท 30 points ยท Posted at 22:35:00 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
In general season five did a lot to really drive the point that evil people are evil. Like a certain character being a pedophile for no real reason besides that we needed more of a reason to want them dead.
The pedophile bit was actually worse than just reinforcing the idea he's an evil man, it takes away any kind of moral complexity.
Before that, the auidience is meant to dislike that character, but he's not categorically evil. Killing him like that would make the audience at least question whether that was a good decision.
But instead it needs to be entirely validated before it happens. And thus you cheapen the potential.
S5 and even S4 did tha so damn often that it annoyed me.
Blergh. This is my overall complaint with the series, actually. At a certain point it all becomes this meaningless ride through hell with people who have no redeeming qualities.
Reytho ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:33:53 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My patience has been tested by both what you're saying, and also the lack of... geographical progress. Daenerys pacing her pad, episode after episode. Can we get a move on?
Maybe he's not going to be a minor character for long in the books and HBO is just setting him up for the bigger role he will play. I'm not saying he's Azor Ahai reborn or anything, just that he'll be an important character-for better or worse.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:44:31 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Sand Snakes are much, much worse
jmdg007 ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 22:38:54 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ser Twenty Goodmen is one of the best knights in Westeros and you will show him respect
Loosely related and star wars spoiler so proceed with caution. When they blew up the new death star thing with only twenty x wings I had flashbacks to Ramsay.
The base was the size of a sun damn it! I know impossible missions aren't new to star wars I'm just saying it was the number twenty that made the connection for me.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:59:38 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well, they killed off the first character that was meant for nothing but the audience to hate them, so they have to prop up their backup hateporn character.
dethb0y ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:51:19 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Fun trivia: there is a small but ardent group of Ramsay Bolton fangirls on tumblr, who actually find the character appealing.
Endyo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:08:57 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I hadn't thought about how annoying his infallibility and apparent invincibility is because the character is so well acted. It's like Geoffrey but different somehow.
Ser Twenty Goodmen is a beast. He should totally champion for the Faith. Strong won't stand a chance in hell
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:16:56 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't think that's as universal as other examples. Female fans who haven't read the books seem to like him as a villain.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:46:31 on January 7, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Also in the first episode of Game of Thrones (Telltale game) he just suddenly appears out of nowhere and fucks everything up with no consequences whatsoever.
ridger5 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:16:36 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Never watched the show. My first experience with Ramsay Bolton was in Telltale Games Game of Thrones, wherein he stabbed me in the throat as part of the ending of the chapter.
Daharon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:41:57 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I like him! The whole relationship with his father is well done and I think the actor does a great job of making him a complete psycho. He's enjoyable to watch and it doesn't bother me that he's different from in the books.
Mohow ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 06:57:01 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ramsay is my favorite character in Game of Thrones, why is he so hated? I love of devilishly clever and manipulative he is.
[deleted] ยท 1838 points ยท Posted at 17:44:27 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Whoever the current Dr is on Doctor Who always seems to get shit on. Then when a new Dr takes over, everybody misses the old one and hates the new one.
bradeo ยท 2849 points ยท Posted at 18:27:51 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
After watching Jessica Jones up to the third episode and seeing his performance there, I realized I literally can't watch Dr. Who with him in it anymore. He's fucking terrifying in Jones yet acts and sounds so much like his performance as the Doctor.
[deleted] ยท 425 points ยท Posted at 00:45:32 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Basically, Tennant's Kilgrave answers the question, "What if the Doctor was a serial killer and a rapist?"
MrJAPoe ยท 32 points ยท Posted at 04:50:26 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This is the first thing I've heard that's made me interested in watching Jessica Jones
I was watching the 2nd season of the reboot. That episode where Sara Jane shows up. At the end, when they were leaving in the tardis, I leaned over and whispered in my wifes ear, "Kilgrave leaves another one. He always did like them young...."
I have bruises now.
[deleted] ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 06:43:09 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Personally, I think Tennant is the only only thing that carried the show, and he was REALLY great in it. As a big manly man I giggled when he said "wellllll..." in the show. Going into the show, I was pleasantly surprised to see Krysten Ritter as the headliner in a Netflix show; it was time she catches a big break. The pilot was spectacular, but the story slowed down after a while until I realised I was interested only when Tennant was on screen. Still can't wait for The Defenders, though.
I've had arguments about this one. I'd say that if a persons free will is taken away, the one that controls their will is responsible for the action. So if someone has no free will they are just a weapon, like a gun. No one says a gun killed someone, the person using it did. But then again, other people I've watched it with said otherwise...
jassi007 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:23:23 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The answer is, my wife would still have sex with him. She spent most of the time watching Jessica Jones screaming at Jessica for not wanting to shag him.
terranq ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 03:11:42 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's how I felt too. Sure, Kilgrave is a complete scumbag, but he had his quirky moments where I couldn't help but be reminded of Tennant as the Doctor again.
David Tennant played the tenth regeneration of Dr. Who, and in Jessica Jones, his character is told he's not ten anymore, like he's not ten years old. Sort of a funny little connection.
David Tennant was the 10th actor to play The Doctor on "Doctor Who". Fans of the show often refer to the character as played by that particular actor by the actor's number. So David Tennant's portrayal is referred to as "Ten."
Jessica was telling Kilgrave that he wasn't 10 years old any more, but for those of us who are used to referring to Tennant as "Ten" there was a pun in her statement.
I think it's the way they talk. Killgrave talks like a smart British chap with a heart of gold, even when he's being an ass. It's also the way the plot unfolds in their respective shows. Both of the characters always seem like they have a master plan, even when they don't, just because the way the pacing and such of the show always portray them that way.
I get what you're saying... but just so you know, that's not what uncanny valley means.
unยทcanยทny valยทley
noun
used in reference to the phenomenon whereby a computer-generated figure or humanoid robot bearing a near-identical resemblance to a human being arouses a sense of unease or revulsion in the person viewing it.
haha I was watching one of his Clone Wars episodes (507 if you haven't seen it) and when he showed up, I went "Stay away from those kids, you fucking rapist!" haha Ishowedhim
The Avenger films, and the standalone Avenger hero features, villains are criminally underused and underwhelming. Damn near every single one.
Loki could have been so much more, and still could be, and while he's played wonderfully, the plots involving him are so... empty. So much potential too, but never really gets used. Same with everyone so far but Obadiah in the Iron Man movies. Ivan Vanko was so fucking cool and Rourke was awesome in the role, but his villainy as a character was wasted. Red Skull in First Avenger was wasted, though Winter Soldier was pretty great. It helped that the overall "villain" was an organization, and the personal relationship to Cap aided in making Bucky a better threat.
The thing with Ultron is, he was never going to be that much of a threat, not in a single film...The film is called Age of Ultron but, it was more like the week Ultron was a bit of a nuisance. It seems that despite him being true AI, he was still a pretty stupid villain...and also another annoying aspect is that yet another Marvel film ended in everyone fighting a load of Stark robots, eh
stufff ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:50:23 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Seriously? Loki is a whiny kid who didn't get enough of daddy's approval. Loki as the main villain was one of the reasons I didn't think Avengers was very good.
OverHaze ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 00:33:13 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And Tennant had to have done that deliberately. The man has rang Killgrave echoing The Doctor had to have been a choice. I mean the man knew who his audience was.
DashCat9 ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 00:50:45 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I know! I really wish he had just used his normal Scottish accent, just to differentiate it a little more. Though it it kind of effective in carrying over his ridiculous inherent likability by using a voice that's already instantly endearing to a lot of people. (Driving home the point that abusers that are successful in getting away with it always come across as 'nice' and/or 'likable'). Every time he says "Well...." in JJ, I was like "NOT THAT, TOO!"
I love his Scottish accent, and I wouldn't be surprised if he initially tried that out first, but then the executives asked him to show off his fake Britishness. His British accent is so well done it doesn't really matter, though.
DashCat9 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:05:47 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yep, absolutely. I just wish they hadn't used it because it ruined the 10th doctor for me in the tiniest of ways.
Depends on your tastes. It's not your typical super hero fare. It's not a Marvel show so much as a show taking place in it's universe. It's much, much darker than anything Marvel has ever put out and probably ever will again. She has powers, yes, but she doesn't blunt force her way through everything. Not every episode makes you feel warm and fuzzy. I'm not done with it yet simply because I've limited the show to one episode a day because it's hard to not watch it without being scared and angry and sad all at the same time. It's amazing, but it's also hard to watch.
This leaves ones with the impression that there are episodes that leave you warm and fuzzy. I feel that's inaccurate. Seriously, I felt that Daredevil was sunshine, joy and optimism compared to JJ.
I would say it is a very emotionally draining show that centers around abuse and manipulation of all kinds and loved it despite how uncomfortable it made it and pacing issues.
Heck, most episodes don't make you feel warm and fuzzy. I'm like 3 episodes from the end and it has been crazy. I have spent so much time going between trying not to cry and wanting to scream in anger and frustration.
That was kind of intentional. I half remember reading an interview for the show where he said he was "happy to trample all over your fond memories of him as the Doctor" or something. Needless to say he did an excellent job. I loved him in DW but I like him as an actor better, so it's nice to see him getting other big roles.
vaminos ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:03:37 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, thank God I got to see all of his DW stuff before I saw JJ
To be fair he was terrifying as the doctor. Well, as terrifying as that show allows for. He was the one that made me realize that beneath his face, the doctor is capable of extreme evil if he had the mind for it, and that the nature of his path necessitates extremely evil acts fron time to time, and i think tennant portrayed the doctor perfectly in that sense.
If you haven't yet, go on Netflix and watch Broadchurch. David Tennant stars in it as DI Alec Hardy and the whole show is a really intricate plot of him solving a murder. It's a really good watch.
I find the opposite true, I appreciate him more as the Doctor. He is truly a skilled actor, and I find his tenure as the Doctor much more charming and brilliant.
Shuupz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:55:14 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not versed on the Dr Who, but I have watched Jessica Jones and I can say that Kilgrave is one of the bone-chilling villains I've ever seen.
Have you tried watching Tree Fu Tom? It is a children's show but Tennant does a voice for it. That might take the edge off the Jessica Jones view of him.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:57:42 on January 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I felt the same after watching him, in Hamlet.
danmo_96 ยท 410 points ยท Posted at 18:49:46 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I wouldn't say I hated Tennant, but I really didn't enjoy him as much as I enjoyed Eccleston. He was a little too quirky for my tastes, and I never managed to trudge through to Matt Smith.
Moffat is a fantastic writer, just in small spaces of time. Blink is fantastic, but I don't like him at all as a show runner.
My biggest complaint about Matt Smith onward is how focused on the companions the show has gotten. Hell, 80% of seasons 7 and 8 were about Clara. Whereas it used to be about the lore of the show, the story of the doctor, the story of the companion, and their relationship with one another all bundled nicely into a season where each aspect got a decent amount of coverage. Now all it seems to be is a show about the companion and the Doctor takes a back seat for the most part.
And I realized as I was typing this is that this is exactly how Blink works. The doctor is barely in it. The concept works amazingly in Blink because it was fresh. When the entire show starts to treat the Doctor like a side character in every episode there is just something lost there.
I agree, which is one reason why we stopped watching the show. The few episodes I've watched with Capaldi have been good, but that is most likely because I'm coming back to the show after a few years away and watch it in small doses, instead of binging.
I think we would agree that Moffat works best as a writer with editorial oversight from a showrunner that isn't him. Much like George Lucas is great at high concept world building, but needs good scriptwriters to make his movies not suck.
The few episodes I've watched with Capaldi have been good, but that is most likely because I'm coming back to the show after a few years away and watch it in small doses, instead of binging.
Moffat really has focused on some of the flaws people complained about during Smith's run actually IMO. He brought back a lot more focus on character development, series 9 is very light on companion focus (she's not even in all the episodes) and basically no more "we saved all of reality magically at the last minute!!!" type moments. The companion+Doctor relationship is at the forefront still but its more focused on how the Doctor thinks about and deals with things.
Series 8 they both had a lot more internal tension as well as a very unclear and rocky relationship to each other. In series 8 the Doctor was finding himself (leading up to "I am not a good man! And I'm not a bad man. I am not a hero. I'm definitely not a president. And no, I'm not an officer. You know what I am? I... am... an idiot. With a box and a screwdriver, passing through, helping out, learning.") and Clara picking up some of his traits, both good and bad, and losing the person she used to be/her connection to Earth. Series 9 is basically them romping around with him being more chilled out and her giving up on any part of her previous self.
Doctor lite episodes are good every once in a while. It's like a little spin off where you get to see all the weird stuff happening to people. Allows a sort of freedom with the characters that you don't normally get.
Yeah, I totally agree. It's one reason why Blink is so good. Now the whole show almost feels that way. I mean the character is there, but that's it. He's just kind of there while the Ponds and Clara took control.
The only modern Doctor I haven't watched all of is 12. Tennant's Tenth Doctor was my first, but I really enjoyed Eccelston once I got into the show.
I'm still sad that he (Eccelston) had such a miserable time on the show because he really was (to borrow a catchphrase) brilliant. It's a shame they couldn't convince him to come back for The Day of The Doctor
Blink is the first episode I ever saw. I watched a rerun one night out of boredom and was like "Guess I'll give this famous kids' show a try". I was alone in my parents house which is in the middle of nowhere. Didn't sleep a wink, hooked ever since.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:59:13 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Funny enough, David Tennant is barely in that episode.
While I think seasons 5 and 6 of the new series were the best, David Tennant was by far the better actor. If only they had had that big budget during his run...
Crash of the Byzantium dual parter; Amy can't have her eyes open, (because reasons) so She has to to walk as if she can see to trick the angels into not moving.
When it obviously doesn't work, you see the angels moving on screen towards her very slowly in some kinda shitty CGI that ruins the mystery.
I didn't even notice that. Wouldn't it have been so much easier to revolve the camera around her and shift the statues closer to her with each sweep? Laaame. I thought the whole point was that the person watching the series counted as a viewer of the angel as well.
Moffat ruined his own premise. Set up whatever crazy rule you want. They touch you and you time travel. Fine. Great, even. But once you set it, don't break it.
If you want a monster that grabs you, and you either break you own body to get loose, or die unable to free yourself, then create a new monster. It's not like they have so many one more would be confusing. At the very least, make it a variety of the old one, and not just a copy. How about war heros? Or statesman? There are plenty of statues of them around. The thought of a statue of a guy on a horse, where one moment it's standing, and next rearing is pretty terrifying. Like the topiary animals in the Shining.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:48:16 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Loved his episodes, but just a tad too arrogant for my taste.
I also liked when The Master was a man, Missy is great too, but the way The Master was portrayed in the Tennnant episodes was so much more compelling to watch.
Oh my god the Family of Blood and Human Nature episodes. Some of my favorites. But god DAMN I fucking hated John Smith. David Tennant did an excellent job this episode
"I know now why he was running.... He was being merciful"
Damn I get chills every time I hear that.
Shed412 ยท 486 points ยท Posted at 18:56:03 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Like half of the Smith episodes end like "I will win because I am the Doctor. You should leave." Then the aliens leave. It was fine in his first episode but like he had way too many of those moments.
[deleted] ยท 280 points ยท Posted at 19:31:22 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I just wish that they did a little bit more worldbuilding, I mean seriously. They're working with an entire goddamn universe but somehow can't come up with any new scary antagonists other than the Daleks.
The Weeping Angels? The Silence? Matt Smith's era didn't have any real interest in villains as opposed to monsters, though. (Here's a great essay on the subject, although the Capaldi era has done a complete 180 on this.)
Also, I don't really think "worldbuilding" is something Doctor Who has ever done or should be interested in doing for very long. Having a home base like Rose's family is a good idea, but the whole point of Doctor Who is that we quickly establish a world and then leave it within an episode or two, with possibly a revolution or two in the meantime.
It was a feature from the beginning, but I guess that is a side effect of a good horror episode, the inevitably unstoppable nature of the threat.
All the "great" episodes feature that. Look at Midnight. one of the most terrifying episodes around. (Although I guess that it along with library and blink features what can be best describes as creatures wanting to feed.)
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 20:41:36 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well, by "worldbuilding," I don't mean each world individually, but the universe as a whole.
Right, but that's what I'm saying. Part of what makes Doctor Who great is that it doesn't have a consistent, expandable universe. Just as the show's values and ideas are reevaluated and reinterpreted over time, the universe itself doesn't stay fixed. It's less about building a universe to explore, and more about exploring individual worlds that aren't part of some broader worldbuilding project.
A good comparison point is Star Trek. It's far more immersive, and the worldbuilding across times and planets allows Star Trek to confront the nuances of its values. But with Doctor Who, you get to paint the broad strokes of something like the Federation and then overthrow it!
ban_this ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 21:51:51 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
To me it actually wouldn't make sense for Doctor Who to have very much world building. It's not like Star Trek where they travel at a finite speed and so they're in a particular part of space so they're going to be running into the Klingons or Romulans over and over since they're neighbours.
The Doctor can go anywhere in both time and space. All world building would do would make the universe seem small. The whole point of Doctor Who is that there are an unlimited amount of possibilities in the universe that we're getting a glimpse of.
But it is pretty worldbuilt. You just don't see it as easily because it goes throughout a hundred trillion years. There are stages established: the Time War, the Fourth Human Empire, the New Earth... it only takes too long watching to observe it.
JRW-98 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 22:27:11 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's because timelords have always been the daleks number one enemy.. Their main goal across every dalek in the universe is to exterminate the doctor for "defeating" them. That's why they reoccur so often, they're literally part of the entire story, not just one episode.
The Daleks and the Time Lords didn't get in to conflict for years and years of the classic show. They reappear so often because they were the first alien monsters in the show, and the episodes tha introduced them were instrumental in the show ever finding an audience at all. Considering the pilot, very shortly before the Daleks showed up, aired the day after the JFK assassination, and nobody saw it.
Now, the Daleks were at war the Thals for so long that their whole society fell apart in the process, long before the Daleks ever knew what a Time Lord was, or left their home planet.
I want a Dr. Who episode where the enemy isn't some lunatic with grand schemes to conquer the galaxy, he's just a scoundrel with a gun who has no idea who the Doctor is. Then when the Doctor tries his usual tricks of "I'm the Doctor, fear me" the villain just laughs and punches him in the face. Let's see the Doctor face a thug using simple and crude methods. He'd be helpless.
You just described a Tom Baker story that had me losing my shit through the whole thing. It is called The Seeds of Doom. It is a story about super dangerous seed pods found in the Antarctic, which are stolen by a crazy plant-obsessed rich guy. Basically, The Doctor knows what the seeds are, and he knows that he needs to destroy or contain them. Except the more direct villain of story is the rich guy's thug, Scorby. The Doctor can't go and save everybody because if he does Scorby will punch him. No really. Scorby stops the Doctor, and tries to lock him up somewhere, only for the Doctor to escape and try again so many times that Scorby ends up fighting him repeatedly, trying to throw him in a huge grinder, trying to shoot him, and, eventually, just getting pissed off and throwing him at some trash cans. Tom Baker goes full kermitflail all over the floor, then Scorby picks him up, says, "You look unsteady on your feet, Doctor!" and throws him back at the trash cans. It was god damned hilarious. And Tom Baker was such a big, gangly weirdo, and he sold it all so hard. It was great.
But then, the whole "I'm the Doctor, fear me" thing didn't really happen so much in the classic series. I mean, there was a point in The Brain of Morbius where the villain very nearly pulls off all his plans because he pretends to cooperate with the Doctor, walks into a room with him, then just steps back out the door, closes it and locks it. It's a real all is lost moment. It's like, the door is locked, the universe is fucked! It was a much more grounded character back then.
I think I read about why they always use Daleks. If im remembering right, the BBC doesnt own the rights to them, the family of their creator does. I think the deal was that if the bbc wants to keep using them then the daleks have to be in every season
Now, since daleks were THE iconic dr. Who villain, the bbc didnt have much of a choice.
mugsoh ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 08:53:49 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The problem with that is that for the most part, the Doctor's solutions are pretty much always going to work. There's a way to counter the Silence, or the Weeping Angels? Well, now you can just repeat it the next time they show up. Kind of takes the drama out of it.
The Angels were new in Blink and were an awesome scary new enemy.... but haven't been anywhere near as good since. The Statue of Liberty was a particular low point.
It used to be that seeing one Dalek would bring unparalleled fear and rage in the Doctor. Just watch "Dalek" from Series 1 if you don't believe me.
Now he sees an entire fleet with spaceships and everything. Eh.
jianu81 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:30:34 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
yeah they killed a freaking race of Time Lords and they can't just kill one ? Also why do they always insist the Doctor seeing what they do why can' they just murder him the moment they see him
I just wish Moffat would do a little less "deliberately tearing apart the world for a one-off joke/cool setpiece". The best thing Moffat ever did was create the Weeping Angels (pretty much the only new monster that's actually worth bringing back). Then he seemed to realise his mistake and spent Amy & Rory's last episode completely shitting on them and violating every single rule about how they work.
The first Clara episode (Asylum of the Daleks) goes so far as to have the Daleks start converting humans which is not only an existing monster (Cybermen) but is also totally at odds with their xenophobia - which is their absolute core trait. When they tried similar things (Dalek/human hybrids) before at the end of Eccleston's run and in the Daleks in Manhattan storyline, it gets called out as being out of character, here it's not really questioned.
I'd argue that's because Moffat doesn't think it's important at all for the monsters to act the same each time they appear - he treats the stories as totally standalone, not taking place in a consistent universe. Which would be more forgivable if the individual stories were more compelling, but they always fall apart into a mess of inconsistent character moments and incomprehensible plotlines.
And that, I think, explains the shitty world building and in turn, the forgettable monsters - you can't fear what a monster can do if you don't know what it can do, and you can't know that when you've seen that the rules can be rewritten for the sake of a snappy one-liner. The writing needs to spend a little less time being 'clever' and a little more time being good.
That actually played into the story arc though. He got the universe against him together to take him down, then he had to erase the records of himself.
That was intentional though. He used his reputation as a weapon and eventually it backfired. He became too infamous and every one of his enemies got together to mess him up. So he had to erase himself from history.
To be fair, they had to cut a scene at the end of them coming out because Matt Smith got seriously injured on set and they couldn't film it in time. It's annoying that it will never have that conclusion though.
He had too many but it did go to show a young feeling Doctor. He was brash but had a resume to back it up and wasn't afraid to brag about it.
A young kid will threaten you, but it's all talk.
The old guy will shut his mouth, but can kick your ass.
This is a rare case when you have an old guy who is a young guy. So he is throwing his weight around and no one is willing to call him on it because it isn't worth making an enemy of the time traveling guy who has a passion for protecting things.
Heck, he said that to an armada of planet destroying ships and they did leave. Oh, don't kill him now when he's defenseless, let's go with our tails between our legs!
Yeah, but the whole point of that was they ended up trapping him, as the entire thing was a plan to prevent his TARDIS from blowing up. His bluff didn't work.
That was all showing his hubris because he was walking into their trap. He thought he was being big and bad-ass (and so did the audience at the time) but they all knew more than he did.
Finally someone else who has this opinion! I've mentioned this to other Whovians before and they usually respond with "you don't know shit", or "he's done plenty of other cool things before", ignoring that he literally just says half the time "I'm the doctor. Run.", and it actually works. It's why I always considered him the piggyback doctor: he just rode on the success of his past selves without doing as many noteworthy things as they did.
I just re-watched the one with the water monsters on Mars(?) Where he changes a fixed point in time and declares himself triumphant. The woman he saves said he should have let her die, and he was arrogant and dangerous. He was pretty dark at the end of that one. Like he had become too powerful. Nice, subtle acting.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:40:58 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Oh yeah, that is a great one for the dark side of Tennant; Waters of Mars. There's another one... I want to say with Rose or Martha where he almost kills one of the last of an alien out of rage. Brilliantly dark.
Have you seen Jessica Jones yet? David Tennant plays one of the most fucked up villains I've ever had the pleasure to hate. Going in, I thought I'd only see the Doctor...but there was only Kilgrave. And it's terrifying.
I tried to watch it and stopped at the fifth episode. It's very well-written. But it's too dark. I've seen some of the darkest shows out there, but this one hit me in spots I wasn't expecting. Not from Marvel. Not from Disney. It played with some of my deepest fears. I can't finish that show; it gave me nightmares. Well done, Netflix: you made a show so good I can never watch it again.
Ahahaha....it gets worse. Things get to a new high in screwed up.
The general concept of Kilgrave is terrifying, but when given an environment (a non-air TV-MA rating) where he can fully toy with his powers...it's just scary. You don't have to imagine if they'll have him do some of the worst shit you can come up with, because he's already done/is doing it. And that's only one aspect of the show.
Yeah... that's what I figured. I put up with Game of Thrones, I'm unphased by my sister's serial killer documentaries, but I can't sit through this show. Not after what little I've seen. I'm out, thanks.
Given that the show is on Netflix and was given the freedom of TV-MA...they don't shy away with what he can do. Kilgrave(Tennant) has "mind control" - he says, you do.
And there's so much twisted shit they play around with using the TV-MA rating. For instance, he's sitting with a beer in hand, calmly watching soccer. He turns and in a quick, offhand comment, orders someone to jump off a balcony. And that's minor. That's not even the gory or psychological fuckery he gets up to. "Hold this pair of lawn shears towards your face, and fall forward." was a favorite. Forcing someone to slowly lower their hand in a blender? Yeah, that's ok. But planting a list of commands in someones head, then forcing them to forget they're there...only for them to carry out those orders when triggered, or believing it's their own free will? That's there too.
mine too. Tennant is a great actor with some great lines, but Eccleston actually felt like a person.
That said, the production of the show also started to change once Tennant became the doctor. The cheesy props that made the Eccleston season so great started to get replaced by more and more special effects.
He's the first dr. who I watched , I liked the show then he died after 1 season wtf, I stopped watching it for like a few years then just restarted but not into it as much , then fucking rose went away too !
Eccelston was a great doctor. David Tennant is as well, and is one of the most charming men on the planet (watch any interview with him, he's brilliant), although earlier Tennant episodes are definitely better than the later ones. Smith was just irritating to me and i stopped watching.
danmo_96 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:41:58 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Don't get me wrong, I love David Tennant as an actor, it's just that his Doctor didn't really tickle my fancy.
You know, I think part of what made people such fans of David's doctor was his enthusiasm. Playing the Doctor was his childhood dream, and why he went into acting, and it was kind of cool seeing a person actually achieve what he had always wanted, week after week. Not too many people are now doing what their ten-year-old selves hoped that they would do. And the enthusiasm that he brought to the role gave his Doctor an almost child-like quality, at least in his first seasons. Some people really dug that, but I could see how that wouldn't be everyone's ideal version of the Doctor.
Leia1979 ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 20:04:18 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, I spent the beginning of series two thinking "this guy is too crazy and hyper to be the Doctor." Christopher Eccleston is more how I imagined the Doctor (from really only remembering the Tom Baker version), but I eventually grew to like Tennant's Doctor. Matt Smith's version is too goofy for my taste, so I've been making my way slowly through his episodes. It helps that I mostly like the Ponds.
In that case, I think you'll really enjoy Capaldi, especially when the writers find their voice for his character in Series 9. He brings a gravitas and certain darkness to the role with nods to Classic Who.
For me it wasn't Matt Smith that was the problem but the awful writing and effects after about half the first series with him I just gave up and won't watch it agian.
Dr4g0n ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 18:58:41 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Same here, I stopped watching Dr Who after a season of Tennant as I just got so fed up of hearing how amazing he was, when I thought Eccleston was way better.
But then I've been a big fan of Eccleston since Cracker.
alexm42 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:55:55 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Tennant is an amazing actor, and my favorite actor to play the doctor. But 10 is not my favorite doctor, for the same reasons you list. He was the victim of poor writing.
Pretty much how I felt. Loved Eccleston, was indifferent towards Tennant but there were some great episodes during his tenure. I hated Matt Smith immediately, and stop watching after about 2 seasons of him both due to him and the writing going over the top melodramatic. I have no idea how I feel about his replacement since I haven't watched him.
Nacksche ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:12:03 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Eccleston will always have a special place in my heart, he was my first.
The companions really made the Matt Smith era worthwhile; especially The Last Centurion.
LDM123 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:11:35 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's really hard to say who captured the doctor better, as the doctor is meant to have multiple personalities, so one form can be serious and one can be quirky; however, I agree with you. Honestly, if I needed someone to save me from across the vastness of space and time, it'd be Eccleston.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:28:54 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Matt Smith did an amazing job given that the writer he had to work with was Stephen Moffat.
Eccleston was my least favourite new doctor for the sole reason that he didn't seem like an alien. I believe Tennant, Smith and Capaldi are from another planet. They're all just so weird when it comes to interacting with people. That's what sold them for me.
Adarain ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:02:09 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If you perferred Eccleston out of those three, you should check out Capaldi's run. He's a much more serious doctor than Tennant or Smith, he does his job really well. His first season is okay (you don't need to know Clara's backstory (that's the companion) to get anything) and the second one is probably the best one so far. Start with the 50th anniversary special, as it provides some crucial backstory to one of the two-parters in the last season. That's two (good) episodes of Smith and then you can watch capaldi.
I really didn't go for Eccleston, as a kid he seemed to serious for a Doctor (probably have Matt Smith as my fav for the same reason), and when I rewatched some of his episodes recently his acting just feels so...clunky, stale and awkward, he just didn't really fit for me.
Then go to a Comic Con and meet him in person and you will fall in love with him. Even if you're a straight guy.
[deleted] ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 19:53:07 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It took me a while to warm up to Tennant. I really liked Eccleston's run and Tennant's doctor was really silly.
Then I ran into Matt Smith and good farking lord "silly" took on a whole new meaning. I can't get into his run as the doctor at all because River Song and Amy Pond are plot cancers and Moffat can't story-arc his way out of a wet paper sack.
I liked Amy's story at first, then it got ridiculous. They should have changed companions way before they did. And then wrapped up Clara's arc in one year as well. That also went on too long.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 22:25:28 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Currently catching up, and im in the matt smith part
Hes no tennant, but that fishsticks and custard bit was a good start ๐
Go. Watch it. If you want to get an example of a good episode that is silly and serious and stands alone, watch "The Girl in the Fireplace." (Series 2, episode 4.) It's on Netflix. If you like this episode, then go back and start from the beginning of the revival. A few of the first episodes are pretty cheesy, but it gets good fast.
After a recent rewatch of Doctor Who post-2005, I no longer like the Tenth Doctor. I wouldn't go as far as hate, but I find him incredibly annoying. He's patronising and sanctimonious. However, I will concede that some of the best episodes since 2005 were in his era.
I didn't start watching until towards the end of Matt Smith's run (around series 7B), but in watching the older seasons on Netflix, Tennant is my least favorite. He's too arrogant, it just makes him unlikable.
nemaihne ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:02:05 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I hated Tennant. Quit watching Dr Who because I couldn't stand him. Once Smith took over I was too far out of the loop to get back into it. Kinda sad since I was a Who fan from watching reruns and new ones on UHF stations since childhood.
After rewatching some of his episodes, Tennant seems a bit more like a selfish psychopath than he does on the first watch. He burned up a regeneration to literally save face, so it really makes me wonder why he didn't do it again (aside from the obvious contractual obligations). He could've just lopped off a hand and pooled the excess energy into it
Idk, a lot of people seem to like Capaldi. I think he's amazing.
[deleted] ยท 25 points ยท Posted at 19:18:10 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Capaldi's Doctor changed a lot over the last couple seasons, from angry old man to aloof rock star... Not the greatest Doctor of my lifetime, that's Tom Baker, but Capaldi is fine. Capaldi has probably had the fewest number of stinker episodes of any Doctor though.
allanmes ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 23:51:03 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
nah man, that one was incredibly bad but the moon egg one was far worse.
[deleted] ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 03:22:21 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
NOTHING happened in The Forest of the Night. If the Doctor never turned up nothing would have changed.
At least there was some semblence of plot and narrative and POINT in Kill the Moon, and I actually like stuff like the morality choice at the end and The Doctor leaving it in the hands of earth.
NOTHING happened in The Forest of the Night. If the Doctor never turned up nothing would have changed.
this is exactly my problem with it. if you have a story that would be the exact same if the main characters were not involved, that's a shit story. Not to mention, the bullshit science in FotN was arguably worse than in Kill the Moon. like, even if we accept that the plants somehow knew that there was a solar flare coming because forest angels or w/e, 12 hours is not enough time to build up THAT much of a surplus. But let's assume it is. Solar flares do not work that way. having more oxygen in the atmosphere would do nothing to prevent damage from a massive solar flare. the whole plot of the episode is just fucking stupid with stupid acting and stupid directing. Scaring off a wolf with a flashlight? come the fuck on.
senopahx ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:35:39 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hell, the bullshit science in Kill the Moon isn't even that bad. A object spontaneously gaining mass is no less plausible than a box that is bigger on the inside (though the macroscopic microbes do irk me).
A lot of people LOVE Capaldi but the issue is with the writing, we are wasting such a great doctor on mediocre stories (although the most recent season was actually quite good).
I'm having a really hard time getting used to him. Sure, the switch from Tennet to Smith was rough, but it didn't take long to like him. The one is WAY harder.
I feel like this new Dr is only hated because he isn't some young hot thing, so young girls feel weird about fantasizing about having a relationship with him.
Idk, I vastly prefer him to Smith. But then Smith's Doctor was so OP in every situation, and I just couldn't get into the writing, so maybe that influenced my opinion. But 9 is always going to be my fave.
9 is my absolute fave, but I've been told that your first doctor is your favourite doctor.
I couldn't get into Matt Smith because he just seemed like...a fanfictions representation of the doctor sometimes. "Custard and jelly babies ho ho ho". He was okay to watch, but I struggled the most with his doctor.
Gyvon ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 21:32:14 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My problem with Smith was that he looked like an alien.
I loved Eccleston and found Tennant annoying. He was too quirky in comparison. However, when drama was required, he was brilliant. Few good episodes and I came to appreciate him.
Didn't happen with Smith. Too quirky. He worked in comedic episodes, but never much else. He never could be serious enough and Amy was too in love with him to call on his bullshit. There was no tension, no risks.
Now it's steadily getting better. There are no easy victories and current Doctors knows how to make his 'quirks' cool. Penultimate episode of the series took the first place in my top5.
Tylensus ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 08:23:07 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Tennant was my favorite by far, but I'll give this to Smith, the Van Gogh episode that he was in is probably my favorite episode of Doctor Who. It's just perfect.
I think the difference between Tennant and Smith's goofiness was Tennant was projected outward onto other things, how they they worked and amazing they were. Smith was more inward focus goofiness, which him be goofy and watch him do this amazing thing.
You can see the conversion from Tennant to Smith in the last few episodes of Tennant run. He became focused on himself and how amazing he was. Smith then becomes a doctor who brings back the quirkiness of the Tennant amps it up a little but focuses it upon himself.
bosco9 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:59:42 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Smith's Doctor is too silly/quirky for my tastest, he was good in comedic episodes and had good chemistry with Karen Gilan but he just wasn't good in dramatic episodes
Agreed. For me, out of New Who, it goes 9 > 12/10 (tie) > 11. It probably didn't help that I didn't really like Amy and Rory either, so most of 11's stories were just "bleh" all over.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:41:19 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think that's the reason I stopped watching during Smith's run. The writing just fell apart after Tennant. There were no episodes like Midnight or the original Angels episode. I couldn't remember anyone as cool as the Master's return.
DMPunk ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:19:59 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Smith will always be my favourite, but I love Capaldi. I'm very pleased that series 9 was such an improvement over 8. The writing was finally able to keep pace with the quality of the Doctor. But of the Doctors I've seen, I don't dislike any of them.
[deleted] ยท 244 points ยท Posted at 18:45:18 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
I like the 12th Doctor. I have liked all the recent ones. In my lifetime I have really only disliked the sixth doctor but looking back even he was pretty cool. The 8th Dr** probably got the fewest good episodes, besides Paul McGann's Dr who only got one weird American TV movie.
I never really saw much of the first or second dr besides a handful of the original Dalek series. I also never saw the Peter Cushing Dr Who movies.
No, Six is the Doctor who got stuck with nonstop terrible writing. (Although I don't dislike "Trial of the Time Lord" as much as some.) The last two years of Seven's run, when Ace was his Companion, was largely a revival of the show and had some of its best writing for, hell, nearly a decade. Pretty much all of his final year, especially, is well-regarded in hindsight.
McGann got a side bit for the 50th that was good, and he's done a shit ton of the audio books, so technically he's been around as a Doctor the longest out of all of them.
The Seventh Doctor got the fewest good episodes!? But... but... Paradise Towers! Remembrance of the Daleks! The Happiness Patrol! The Greatest Show in the Galaxy! Ghost Light! Curse of Fenric!!!
I didn't make it through five minutes of Ghost Light
Joetato ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:48:15 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I haven't seen much of the first two Doctors, so I can't really comment on them. However, Three and Four were both very solid. (Seriously, who doesn't like Tom Baker?) Really, I'd say Five (Peter Davison) probably had some of the worst episodes, moreso than McCoy. Though, to be honest, the Caves of Androzani was an absolutely wonderful serial. I wish all of Davison's serials had been that high quality, and he'd absolutely be in contention for best Doctor.
I remember I liked McCoy a lot as a kid and haven't rewatched many of his episodes because I'd rather not ruin good memories if I don't like them now as an adult. Understandable, as his run was geared more towards younger audiences.
The Peter Cushing movies aren't even official (in the sense that Cushing actually played a character named Doctor Who, he was not the Doctor), so don't worry about them. Think of them as an alternate universe thing that in no way changes what happens in the show's continuity.
I actually haven't seen any 12th Doctor episodes yet, so I have no opinion on him. (I got backlogged and am still working my way through all the Matt Smith episodes.) I refuse to watch the new episodes out of order, so I'm not skipping ahead.
My favorite doctors have to be 9, 11, and 12. It's just that the writing of David Tennant's run doesn't seem to fit anywhere. It doesn't have the same quirky, fast paced, tenseness of Matt Smith, it doesn't have the serious thriller aspects that Peter Capaldi has, and it doesn't have the same sort of slice of life that Eccleston has. It tries to be all 3 of those at once, and it just falls flat. That's why I don't like David Tennant as the doctor. It's just underwhelming.
It's well worth checking out McGann's audio dramas. Since they basically have total freedom with him, they build a complete continuity with a lot of great stories.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:28:04 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
McGann is easily the best Doctor though. His performance in the audiobooks is astounding and those audiobooks are the best examples of Doctor Who.
I don't follow the logic here. The show has been on and off since 1963 and it's ability to change in tone, story structure, characters, actors, writers, and more while maintaining some sort of continuity is what makes it interesting.
It's part of the characterization. It's not like they just switch actors and someone makes a joke about how the character changed their hair and then everyone proceeds like nothing ever happened.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 02:02:26 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well, it's been on the air for 50 years.
[deleted] ยท 24 points ยท Posted at 21:31:58 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Young woman here who splooshed over Tennant and Smith.
I love Matt Smith, but dude, I think Capaldi is killing it as The Doctor! He's a fantastic Doctor...a smart ass, slightly cold, but really does have heart. The most recent "Hello sweetie" got me good.
That was a surprisingly good episode. I gave up on Who for the first time since Sylvester McCoy this series, and didn't bother with some of the episodes. The Xmas one has dragged me back in.
ycnz ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 19:03:11 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's exactly why I like him, people of his species can live for ages if everything goes fine, even eternities if they're important enough. So why should he be a young handsome male? I definitely prefer a grey haired scottish older man over that, looks alot more wiser, which he probably is.
However, I'm still looking forward to his next look, it's always exiting to see a new face!
[deleted] ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 20:39:48 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
On the contrary most of my friends who watch dw seem to really like that they finally have an old doctor again.
lollylon ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 23:43:23 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He may be older, but I find Peter Capaldi much more attractive than Matt Smith.
Hating on a new Doctor is just how you mourn the loss of the last one. I almost didn't keep watching after Ten because I'd grown so attached, but Matt Smith was just so damn likable. Then Capaldi came along and I thought, well he won't be as good as Smith, but he's just so delightfully sour and snarky.
WhataBud ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 22:25:54 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I love Peter Capaldi. IMO he captivates the essence of a true time traveling Galifreyan who is 2000+ years old. I love this doctor. However, the stuff written for Peter has been garbage, but I loved this Doctor from the get go.
Actually, I've seen many more people say that young girls are disappointed that the new Doctor is older again than any actually disappointed young girls.
Love the 12th Doctor, but the writing was so incredibly bad that I've stopped watching the series. The age thing is a cargo cult.
Tartra ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:32:55 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This is the only Doctor I've liked. The young hot things were too young, too hot, too quirky, too emotionally woobie and a step away from wearing signs that said, "Buy my scarf at Hot Topic."
This guy? I like him 'cause he does shit, and since there's no girlfriendy relationship with Clara for those young girls to project themselves into, oh my God, does everything feel more bearable.
My 13-year-old daughter calls Tennant "the hot Doctor", Smith "the not-hot Doctor", and Capaldi "the old, not-hot Doctor". She's undecided on Eccleston, apparently.
I'd like to think that it's his accent that has charmed me, not my possible daddy issues haha.
saintash ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:53:43 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I was super looking forward to an older doctor, one that wasn't a flirty dude with the young hot thing at his Side. My Problem with it though is FUCKING CLARA. his whole first season was about her, we dont learn anything about him that season it was all about the hot chick at his side, and well fine if her story was done at the end of the season ,BUT nope they kept it going so i stooped watching. it made me long for the days of rose and i hated rose.
I think it's a weird people fantasizing about having a relationship with the doctor. Yeah I have my favorite, but not like a "oh man I want to date him/travel with him" way. The 12th doctor is great, my second favorite, actually. Peter Capaldi plays him so well and you can already see his character developing a lot.
[deleted] ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 20:02:36 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The writing is pretty atrocious, but the first complaints I heard were "he's not pretty!"
MrMadcap ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:03:43 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My friends and I all loved the new, grim appearance he seemed to be bringing to the role. The show has been in dire need of some actual seriousness. But then they wrote him to be just another goofball, along with some of the worst plot lines imaginable, and... yeah.
I just had this conversation with a girl today. I liked Donna for the same reason I like Clara and 12's relationship. She experienced the regeneration and it definitely changed how she saw the Doctor and began to treat him more like Donna who wasn't interested in the Doctor so much as she was excited about adventuring.
It's not just that. Capaldi has been getting some of the worst writing I've had to sit through not to mention this unkillable and insufferable sidekick, Clara, that is absolutely due to be knocked off a season and a half ago. Their episodes are offputting, poorly written, seem to pander endlessly to the masses who fell in love for the cleverness and not for "permission to squee?" (An actual line from the actual show....). Imo capaldi can act given the right director and writer but with the stuff he gets he is possibly the most disappointing and cringeworthy doctors I've seen.
I agree the direction is terrible and that Capaldi is more than a capable choice, but the first complaint I heard after the casting was chosen was "he's so OLD". I'm not saying its the only reason, but someone said that the " Newvian" fans were the ones mostly complaining of his physical appeal, while many others (oldvians?) Were frustrated by the writing and directing.
KrazeeJ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:06:58 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I personally don't like the new doctor as much because he doesn't feel interesting. He has a lot of aspects that I think are really cool, and I love the fact that they're keeping all romantic subplots with the companion out of this season, but something about him is just so... Boring. I couldn't care less how old he is.
I was actually really excited when people were speculating that he might play almost a Doc Brown like character. I just want to be entertained and kept interested. I haven't watched the show in a few months now because I just can't stay involved. Every time something happens where I say "that was actually pretty badass. I might be starting to like this Doctor more" it always is followed by a whole lot of nothing.
And don't even get me started on those fucking Sonic Sunglasses.
Personally, I hated him because he was a sour old man that hated everything around him.
I'm already like that, I don't need a TV show like that, too. That's why I enjoyed 10 and 11 so much - no matter what happened, it was going to be interesting. It was like a slightly grown up Magic School Bus.
Apparently they've made him more like a cool dad with the tshirts and guitar and sonic sunglasses (the fuck?) but I just can't be bothered to tune in and find out.
Series 8 was the story of him finding himself again after everything that happened at the end of Smith's run. He starts harsher and more lost as a character and mellows as he figures out his new identity. In much of series 9 he and Clara have reached a stable point post-season 8 and are are running around having fun together for a few years. The "cool dad" bit was just him trying to relax until shit started hitting the fan again.
The actor who plays the new doctor is, in my opinion, a great actor in plays movies Shakespearean drama etc... Just maybe too serious and old for the current demographic of audience. He's more like one of the much earlier choices.
fishcado ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 22:12:58 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Daddy issues
thoronas ยท 55 points ยท Posted at 19:00:23 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I thought everyone hated Clara. And the writing. I really like the new Doctor. This season was way better then his first and the Christmas episode was one of the better ones to come out.
I'm more a fan of Christmas episodes that are Christmas episodes in the manner of having Christmas being important to the plot (as in 2011's The Doctor, the Widow and the Wardrobe or 2014's Last Christmas), as opposed to the Die Hard sense of Christmas episodes (as in 2006's The Runaway Bride or 2015's The Husbands of River Song). Which doesn't make the Die Hard sense ones bad episodes, just that they're not really Christmas special episodes to me.
I do agree about Capaldi and the 9th series being an improvement on the 8th, but for one thing. Capaldi's Doctor has tended to be far more ambiguous than we're used to (especially in the 8th series, and perhaps the most so since Hartnell's interpretation) and less flamboyant, making him a particularly interesting version as we're rather less sure how he's going to react.
I hope they actually keep Clara out of the show now. When she was first introduced, she seemed really interesting but then they never took it anywhere. I love Capaldi as the doctor, just wish the writing was better.
LoudFap ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 21:51:38 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I loved the Christmas episode, i think a lack of Clara will do wonders for the doctor. The last few seasons have been soo damn clara focused it felt like it wasn't really about the doctor, he was just a background character in The Clara show. So I'm really hoping hoping we get a good few episodes of the doctor before another companion comes along and dominates.
No. like every character she had her haters. But it definitely wasn't everyone. And I highly doubt it was even anywhere near a majority of people. Clara was fine. Personally I liked her a lot.
blaghart ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:33:27 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I liked clara. Her impossible girl episode was awesome, and it led into my favorite Doctor Who episode.
Also: John Hurt is best Doctor.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:17:47 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
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blaghart ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 02:42:41 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
acclaimed. They're acclaimed doctors, not reclaimed. Reclaiming is what you do to garbage. Acclaim is what you heap on people you like.
Also, unlike Nose or Scarf, the War doctor avoided any ridiculously silly plots by only being in 2 episodes. He was short and sweet, and never had to deal with a "The Last of the Timelords" or "Underworld" episode.
[deleted] ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 20:22:45 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Capaldi is brilliant, tho.....
[deleted] ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 21:20:27 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
With the last two Doctors it's been a bad lead writer more than the actor. They are trying to attract American audiences, but have lost the essence of Doctor Who.
fiddle_n ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:57:11 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So did I, but unfortunately it gets shit on a lot. Then, again, I dislike A Link to the Past, an opinion which would probably get me exiled from /r/zelda if I said it there.
In my opinion, Majora's Mask was kinda better than Ocarina.
jjremy ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:49:22 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I disagree.
First, because Majora was better than Ocarina.
ALTTP was my all time favorite, before A Link Between Worlds came out. I think that game is a perfect mix of ALTTP, and where the series currently stands. I had more fun with that game than any Zelda game in years.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:35:32 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Nah, I like Capaldi as the Doctor. It's the writing in his seasons that isn't very good. Steven Moffat is a good episode writer but I wish he wasn't the head writer. He really needs someone to stop him when he's gone too far and done too much ridiculous shit.
Even back before I was a Whovian, I saw a LOT of complaining when Capaldi was announced as the next Doctor. Most of it was from teenage girls who had gotten used to Tennant and Smith. Now I am a Whovian and Eccleston is my favorite (because I started with the 2005 episode "Rose"), but I love the hell out of Capaldi's Doctor, and a lot of the complaints I'm seeing from fans aren't so much aimed at Capaldi or his performance, but the episodes he's been placed in and the writing.
It's probably a good thing they cast poster boys like Tennant and Smith, because if not for Tennant I personally wouldn't have had any interest in it (although I'm certain I would have gotten around to giving it a shot eventually) and the same can be said for a lot of the fans. They brought young fans in, and while that is a good thing, it can also be a very annoying thing.
Srapture ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:50:11 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Oh, I'm well aware of the criticism he got upon his announcement as the doctor. I was probably amongst those criticising. He's done a damn good job though.
Personally, Eccleston is my least favourite doctor by far. Him looking and sounding like some London commoner who you might hire to fix your sink did not suit the role at all, in my opinion.
I did like Billy (Billie?) Piper as Rose though. Probably my favourite companion.
I'm just going to take this opportunity to respectfully disagree with everything you just said (aside from the bit about Capaldi), but hey, if everyone's opinion was the same, the world would be a very boring place. :)
Yeah I don't blame Matt Smith for the show turning into Deus ex Screwdriver, he just had the misfortune of being the doctor during that time. I really like Capaldi despite season 8 being fairly weak.
Henryen ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:29:47 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It took some time to get used to Tennant, but now hes one of the best, if not my favourite doctor. Smith is not an overall good doctor, but his best epiodes are goddamn beautifull! E.G Vincent and the Doctor. Capaldi is brilliant, at least the season 9 one.
You need some episodes, if not a whole season to get used to a new incarnation, indeed.
Honestly, his first few episodes, I wasn't a fan of Peter Capaldi, but he definitely won me over and then some. And even though people don't like her, I like Clara.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:33:32 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The companions are all 30,000,000X worse than the doctors. I don't watch much Dr. Who because I find the writing disappointingly bad, but from what I've seen, almost all the companions deserve to make this list.
mszegedy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:39:50 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This process is backwards for Tennant and Capaldi/Smith. Tennant was hated VERY early on but everyone then realized he's doing a brilliant job, it's just that "Christmas Invasion" was poorly written. Then during and after his third series, people started to hate him again because they felt like his popularity was unjustified (e.g. due to his romantic appeal). That's where people still stand on Tennant. With Capaldi, reactions have been generally positive throughout his whole career as the Doctor, but it has been at the expense of Smith's image. (There was recently a thread on /r/gallifrey titled, "Anybody think Capaldi had better chemistry with BOTH Coleman and Kingston than Smith?")
DrRad ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:41:20 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This is beyond wrong considering Peter Capaldi (current Doctor) is receiving tons of praise. Any hate you see are 16 yr old "omg he's not as cute as the last one!!!" girls.
since when? i never noticed anyone hate on Eccleston, Tennant or Smith. i'll be honest, i didn't really see a lot for Capaldi.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:48:01 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Or because the show is getting steadily worse. With 9 and 10 it was dumb, sure, but in a kinda fun, whimsical way. Now with 12 it takes itself so seriously and it's god-fucking-awful, just totally incoherent and irrelevant to any kind of logical storybuilding
You got it wrong. Capaldi (the current Doctor) is beloved. It's the head writer who always gets hate. Steven Moffat is the best writer they've had in years and years, but gets hated on because he likes to experiment with a 52 year old show... The selfish bastard!
I actually love Capaldi, but stopped watching due to Clara. I think the episode Kill the Moon is really what did it for me, though the rest of that season as a whole was pretty terrible after that. You're actually treated like an adult and forced to make a decision yourself because he actually trusts you enough to do the right thing and you respond by throwing a giant tantrum? Fuck outta here. I'll eventually get back to watching it but had to take a break for a while.
Choco316 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:17:32 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I haven't met a lot of people who don't like Capaldi. Most hate was probably at Matt Smith, but most people I've met came around to him after watching the first season of his run
I always take a few episodes to get into the new doctor, like I thought this new one was old and craggy, but he can be funny af and super serious when he needs to be..and that finale, cmon..how can you hate on him after that..
MAK911 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:25:37 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Eccleston was great. Tennant was fantastic. Smith was enjoyable. Capaldi just is a no for me. I just stopped watching Doctor Who after Capaldi came on because he just doesn't seem like my kind of Doctor. His story might've changed since I last watched, but it almost seems like he brought a quality drop not just in writing but production too. The different CGI creatures created for pre-Capaldi all had some good quality to it, but I could see just a plummet in quality when the Master was resurrected. I don't necessarily hate Capaldi, but he brought some bad ju-ju with him for Doctor Who.
I've found out that the current Doctor mostly gets shit on by people who don't even watch the show.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:01:21 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Peter Capaldi, the current Doctor, was actually the President of his local Doctor Who fan club as a kid.
DrSmoke ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:57:37 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The real problem there is the showrunner Moffet.
ZeronicX ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:34:38 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I didn't like the intro episodes for Capaldi, it put me off Doctor Who entirely.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:53:58 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Honestly, the real problem here is Moffat for constantly running the show into the ground, even with top notch talent. He's worse than Lucas from the Prequel trilogy. All of these characters could have been so much better. It also doesn't help that you can NEVER criticize the show.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:40:40 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The show was already lacking something when smith was the doctor. Clara I always found kind of meh. I like the old man as the doctor but the series itself just hasnt been overly enjoyable since Tennant imo...
Kwangone ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:51:40 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
There were only two doctors. Tom Baker and Other.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:03:51 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's not so much that as it takes time to get used to them.
Except everyone immediately loved Tennant.
Smith and Capaldi took getting used to but were/will be loved by the end of their runs.
Maplekey ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:28:10 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Over on r/Gallifrey, people are saying that Peter Capaldi (the current, 12th Doctor) is one of the best ever, even going so far as to hope that he will break the three-season "term limit" that has taken shape over the last couple regenerations.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:30:51 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The people who hate Capaldi's Doctor can eat an Ood-schlong.
He's old, rude, cantankerous, and often-times confused or exasperated, while still being menacing and funny. How is that not The Doctor?
I think a lot of the hate comes from newer fangirls who got used to "hawt" Doctors like Matt Smith and David Tennant.
FIsh4me1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:32:16 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Wait, people dislike Capaldi? The dude's doing a great job.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:44:30 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Nope, people really only hated on Matt Smith. David is pretty much universally loved by Who fans, when Eccleston was on it he was very loved, when Tennant stepped into the roll he became THE New Who Doctor. I think it was really mostly Moffet's writing that made people hate Smith, not that Moffet is a bad writer it's just that he pulls stuff out of his ass a lot and pretends it was his idea the whole time; he's just had small issues that annoy the hell out of people that luckily disappeared with season 8 & 9.
I don't hate the Doctor. I hate the guy that's ruining his show. Fuck Stephen Moffat. I'll be the first to admit that some of Davies' episodes were misses, but his story arcs were fantastic. Then in comes Moffat and it's all "Consistency? Fuck that nonsense. Let's give the cybermen spaceships and time travel capability and never explain why!"
It's also important to remember that the writing has never been worse than it is now, the current show runner is an incompetent egomaniac who is running the show into the ground to satisfy his own vanity and personal issues, and the current companion is dreadful in every way. That's been the case for decades and once they've gone, they get lionised while the new lot get all the hate.
Not anymore. All I ever see is how amazing he is and how he should over take Baker for longest run.
Nihht ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:22:03 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Isn't it the other way round? Everyone is worshipping the current doctor after their first season, saying they're definitely the best, and saying nobody could ever replace them? Repeat forever.
I feel like Tennant is the standard by which everyone holds the new Doctor now. People didn't like Matt Smith cause he was too young, Capaldi cause he was too old and wasn't a sprightly Doctor anymore (not knowing that the Doctor has been older more than younger). Tbh I didn't care much for Capaldi's episodes but his speech in The Zygon Inversion won me over. I always love it when a hero character breaks their usual behavior and sort of snaps at people, and his comment about the Time War really suited his "I'm really better than you" attitude.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:31:39 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Wait. Is it possible to hate Gene Wilder? Is this a thing that happened?
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:36:51 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No. That's impossible.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:40:56 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Okay. Just checking.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:47:28 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I mean I just hate the character in general so.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:12:18 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
But there is no one character. It's a different character every time.
Not so much The Doctor, but the companion. I saw it go from Pond slander to River slander to Clara slander. Honestly, it was the end of Clara's season with 11 and people were bitching that it was time for a new companion and that Jenna was a terrible actress and that Moffat fucked up and all this shit. I'm glad Clara has been the longest serving companion and that she left the way she did. I loved her and I love Jenna Coleman and if I could I would personally thank her for doing the show.
Yeah thats usually how the fan base works. They hate the new Doctor right up to when he Regenerates. Then they all pander to him, praising him and saying how he was better.
I for one always take the new Doctor in stride and have liked every single one from the get-go. Except Matt Smith, it did take me a few episodes to appreciate him. But each actor brings something different to the table and makes the Doctor their own, and I think that's not only important, but a major play in a 50 year old series.
Whoever the current Dr is on Doctor Who always seems to get shit on.
It's like blaming a manager for a team's shit performance. Doctor Who is awful - as a Brit, we're sorry it's still going.
The BBC recently dropped all coverage of Formula One, something they've been the best in the World at covering since the 80s and created the link between watching the F1 with my Dad and the iconic Chain by Fleetwood Mac intro music, just so they can save some money to keep shit shows like Doctor Who, The One Show and Strictly Come Dancing going.
I love the BBC's documentaries, but fuck me, how shows like those are still going is beyond me.
Actually I know a lot of people who like this one. A bunch of folks just hated Matt Smith because he wasn't David tennant
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:29:51 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's kinda how it always goes. When Capaldi leaves everyone will say the new Doctor blows, we miss Capaldi. I like Capaldi too. The recent doctors have all been too nice. Capaldi keeps it real.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:34:53 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's what they say no matter who the current Doctor is. Whoever it is now is bad because the last doctor was so good. But when the last Doctor was the Doctor everyone hated him.
I really liked all of them, but the new one is weird and standoffish. I could barely make it through like 4 episodes.
rengear ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:20:56 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I didn't like Capaldi's first season, either. Try to power through; his second season, the most recent one, really takes off and he becomes much less standoff-ish and more "cool older uncle." I think he's a fantastic Doctor now.
didhugh ยท 304 points ยท Posted at 21:33:50 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'd be filthy rich if I got a quarter for every shot I took at that cocky bastard
K1LOS ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:27:26 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Remember when he'd piss you off so you'd try to shoot him, but then the next round would start and you'd lose ammo? Just made you want to shoot the bastard even more.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:44:06 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What? Why?
[deleted] ยท -24 points ยท Posted at 02:11:28 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
When I started watching south park as a kid I always disliked butters, but now he might just be my favorite character. His whole lovable moron bit just pushes all the right buttons for me.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:26:00 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's actually Andy isn't it? Aw, I like him way more than snarf...but less than orco.
[deleted] ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 19:55:49 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No, this does not belong here. Snarf was a coward, but he overcame his shortcomings multiple times to be a hero. Snarf showed us that you don't have to be a real Thundercat to make a difference, and at least among my circle of friends, he was beloved.
He's a little more calm in New Leaf. You have a choice of reasons for why you quit without saving. I usually go with "my battery died" his response for that is, "well ok, keep those batteries charged" then he goes back to his hole.
I built the reset center. The most I ever reset was about 5 times in a row. Ankha was at my campsite and I kept loosing to her whenever we played a game
*forces. He always forces you to build a bigger house. I didn't ask for this. I'm happy to live in my small little house and catch fish, but it's not good enough for that trash-bandit bastard. That time-lord mother fucker somehow waves his hands and doubles my houses interior while I'm off catching butterflies 'n shit, and now I'm straddled with a bell debt in the 6 figures.
yet when all of us finally had a choice whether or not we had to spend the rest of the game dealing with him, we all chose to build the fucking reset center because we all secretly love him
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:03:18 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
When I was a child playing the original Animal Crossing I wrote a letter to Nintendo on my first encounter with him... oh Christ I'm cringing thinking about it now
xandyr ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:27:53 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
While I was growing up I never once played Animal Crossing. Not because I didn't want to, but because I never owned a Gamecube. I was showing my girlfriend Pikmin a month ago to see if she'd like it and she mentioned that she used to play AC all the time and would love to play it again. I downloaded a rom and loaded into Dolphin (the emulator I was using) and we started having a blast.
The problem with Dolphin is that it crashes all the time. I'm having a blast playing AC, but dealing with Resetti when the game crashes is so frustrating. It's to the point that I don't even care about the progress I lost such as fishing, errands, etc. I just HATE having to sit there and listen to him call me a cheater when the game crashed itself. :(
And for those of you who think emulation is wrong: because I had a chance to sample AC on my computer, I bought my girlfriend a new DS and New Leaf for Christmas. She'll get it when she comes back to school in a few days. I can't wait to play it with her!
Everyone who responded to this is making me wonder if you meant the dog character from the yoshi video games or some reference I don't fully understand... But man fuck that smug ass dog and his difficult controls.
Nah man, 25. Poochy's first appearance in a video game was yoshi's island which came out in 1995. If I was twelve I would have been eight years late to the party.
Kwarter ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:03:47 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Poochie ain't stupid.
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 19:06:35 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
M_H_M_F ยท 629 points ยท Posted at 18:00:53 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Shou Tucker from Fullmetal Alchemist. I thought he was a great villain slowly descending into madness and he was straight up creepy as balls. He had a bigger involvement in the first anime and every time he spoke I got chills.
I'm not a massive anime fan by any means. I'm a sucks for good story.
Smailien ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 01:53:21 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
(Spanish guitar riff)
[deleted] ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 04:55:48 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That combo chimera thing creeped me the fuck out. "Can we play? Can we play now?"
That show does that horror/ evil so well.
SansGray ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 00:17:59 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Bruh...
JMAN7102 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 00:21:22 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I've only seen one episode of FMA, don't remember any of the names or plot except that fucker. I didn't remember his name, but I remember what he did...
Joxavier ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:55:38 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Di... did you just? You did didn't you? fuck you
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:34:17 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That creepy whispering tone he always spoke in... Jesus fuck even if he was just speaking to either of the brothers with good intentions. He still creeped the absolute fuck out of anyone whose ears were paying attention to his ghastly breath.
Chuck Huber (Tucker's American voice actor) dropped this joke in every panel he did at a recent convention. It didn't help that someone had gifted him a crocheted doll of the Nina/Alexander chimera and that he carried it around with him. He also did it several times at the artist's table in the vendor hall that he shared with his girlfriend.
He's hated because he's a little shit fuck bastard who should rot in a place worse than wherever Father was sent.
tofo90 ยท 55 points ยท Posted at 20:23:51 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
But at least Shou is intended elicit hatred and disgust. His character is written to show the depths of depravity people can reach to when they shoot for greatness. It's one of the underlying themes of FMA.
Lucas thought Jar Jar would be the greatest thing ever, but created a monster. He became a real life Shou Tucker. I just wish someone with a big facial Scar came along and head blasted the fuck outta Jar Jar and Lucas before Clones came along.
I actually met his voice actor at a convention (Chuck Huber). His normal speaking voice is Tucker's (along with several other well known characters he's voiced - he has a very unique voice after all). He actually discussed some of his roles a bit with us and said he enjoyed playing Tucker, but it was probably the character that gave him the most heebie jeebies just because of how eerily resolved he was.
I was visibly angry when he came back. I had wanted him killed in such a violent fashion that the only uncensored version of the scene is on sites that can get the FBI to your house.
I can hate him for what he did, but there is something about someone doing the most despicable actions possible for success that I find necessary in these kinds of stories.
TtoxRS ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:19:34 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm a sucks for good story.
Have you seen Shinsekai Yori? The story is amazing.
I'm only familiar with the one episode where he commits that terrible deed. You're saying there's more Tucker in the other FMA series? I lost touch with the show. Is it still in Netflix?
M_H_M_F ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 05:19:58 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Netflix has both. The first anime ends like shit though. They shat out a movie (Conquerer of Shambala) that hastily concludes it.
Satsuz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:40:12 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not sure I've ever had such a visceral reaction to a character and the things they've done. When I think about it, I just... I feel sick, I feel enraged, and I feel such pain for poor Nina. I hate it. But that means they did the job well, great writing. I just can't handle seeing episodes relating to him or what happened very often.
M_H_M_F ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 06:57:38 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think when they brought him back in S5 he was finally interesting and not annoying.
Zaiya53 ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 22:55:44 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I agree completely. He was actually really chill after they wiped his memory (even when he got them back), but that second when he gets his memory back & you weren't sure if he was gonna be dickconnor or not... So glad they did what they did with him instead of bringing dickconnor back
I was just watching Angel for the first time a few months ago and I plowed through the first four season but somehow S5 completely bored me one episode in. I liked the idea of them having the resources of W&H, but watching them actually try to operate a law firm was like...the opposite of what I wanted.
[deleted] ยท 23 points ยท Posted at 22:39:46 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Watch the rest. S5 is great!
Cash5YR ยท 22 points ยท Posted at 00:03:57 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah maybe. The first episode bored the crap out of me. It might be because I am a lawyer, and the cognitive dissonance over a law firm actively trying to sabotage their own clients really annoyed me. At least they bothered to make one of them an actual lawyer. And I found that blonde lady whose name I can't remember super annoying. But maybe I'll push through it if it's really so great!
yakatuus ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 01:36:05 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
actively trying to sabotage their own clients
Their inability to do so is the central premise of the season. I thought "Conviction" was a great episode that focused on the themes of power and purpose that define the season. To me Angel season 5 is easily the best season of Angel; they finally found a good "wife" character. (he comes out of an amulet) No stupid forced Charisma shit, no forced Connor shit, no prophecies. Just vampires kicking ass.
Harmony is supposed to be annoying; she's a great actress really. And she gets an arch (albeit pretty minor). What worked for her in high school she finds, won't work out in the real world.
Oh no not her! I love Harmony. I can't remember who I'm talking about...maybe her name is Eve? She just seems like she's meddling in everything for no reason.
yakatuus ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:56:13 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Oh yeah. I forgot about her. Teenage me understood why she was there pretty easily. I think her character name was useless pretty face and the other characters treated her as such. By the end they're laughing at her face.
Well by "for no reason" what I really mean is "she's skulking around trying to be portentous and unsettling but she's really just super annoying and I don't care about her at all."
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 01:16:16 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The ending is one of the more memorable of any TV show. Also.. Spike!
Go back and finish it, it's literally the best part of the show. There's another half-season of "meh", and then suddenly it starts hitting every episode out of the park. The finale is better than Buffy's (real S5 one).
yakatuus ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 01:39:37 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Buffy's (real S5 one)
Yeah I'll pass on Standing in the Way of Dark Willow. Buffy season 6 is a masterpiece.
I just thought there was no chemistry whatsoever between her and Willow. Kennedy was whatever to me, but I felt like they just put a generic lesbian in there to give Willow another girlfriend.
Asher111 ยท 41 points ยท Posted at 22:16:02 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Agreed. There seemed no reason for Willlow to like her other than the fact she was also a lesbian. Which I found to be such a contrast to how genuine Willow's attraction and relationship with Tara seemed. It felt like they undid a lot of their own good work re portrayal of gay relationships.
Zaiya53 ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 23:01:02 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I agree that it never made sense. At least not for me. People argue that Kennedy was just a rebound but I feel like Willow would never be with someone just to be with them. Also, I always felt like she fell in love with people, not just guys or just girls. I always felt labeling her a lesbian after that felt forced, although I do understand that it was hard back then to even have a gay relationship, let alone have her be bi. Still always bugged me though
gimpwiz ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 21:31:03 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Or, she did a pretty good job of playing a rebound. "Eh, sure there's not much chemistry, but I need this" - probably Willow.
I'm not sure I would call her 'bland' but I definitely hated her. Girl had some attitude issues that had no place interfering with everything that was going on. She seemed too immature for Willow.
The problem with Dawn was that she started too young. She should have started season 5 as a freshman, that way when we got to season 7 she would have been the same age as Buffy, Willow, and Xander were in seasons 1 and 2. Would have brought her full circle.
Season 1 was sophomore year, but Buffy would have been 16 since she started at Sunnydale midway through the year. Dawn still couldn't drive in season 7, indicating she was likely 15.
TBoarder ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 01:14:19 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
From Once More With Feeling, early in Season 6, Dawn sings
No you see, I'm 15, so this queen thing's illegal!
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:07:05 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I love Dawn in Buffy, but I hated her arc in Season 8 so much I didn't read past that.
That's kinda the point isn't it? The show is a metaphor for highschool and uni and Riley was basically your friend who started doing hard drugs and became addicted
From a certain point of view I can understand that...when Riley was first introduced. In the beginning he was the most stable boyfriend Buffy ever had. We always knew Buffy's romance with Angel and Spike was going to end in tragedy. But until Riley royally fucked up you could almost see a future for them.
Angel was such an underrated show. The whole Vampire with a soul angle was interesting. The idea of Connor was a cool concept. The way it played out, not so much. The best part of that show was Fred.
I liked how much the show became about the whole crew, more so than even Buffy did. Wesley's arc over the series was fantastic, especially in season 5.
gimpwiz ยท 30 points ยท Posted at 21:31:46 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Pompous pussy to huge badass in five seasons. Love it.
There are comics that apparently pick up what happens after they take on the Circle of the Black Thorn and continue the 'verse on. Just like the Buffy comics.
Only the first portion is really any good, after "After the Fall" it turns into a jumbled mess and the only bits that where interesting where anything with Illyria.
Is Angel worth watching if you really hate Angel (the character)?
3raserE ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 02:58:29 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I didn't dislike Angel on Buffy, but he was a flat character. They developed him more, and gave him more of a focus, once he had more room to grow on his own show. Maybe you'd like him better on Angel. Or maybe not. But Angel's a great show, and I'd suggest at least trying it if you liked Buffy.
qytr98 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 04:14:33 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If you are a big Buffy fan then I'd say absolutely; there are a lot of crossover characters and plots that really work well.
I wasn't a fan of Angel's character on Buffy, but he becomes decidedly less annoying over the course of Angel. There are some really really good story arcs in Angel (and, as with Buffy, some really lame ones too).
I envy you - I sure wish I could go back in time and watch either (or both) series for the first time again!
Riley stopped my Buffy binge cold and with 4 episodes left. I just couldn't do it anymore. He undercuts everything that makes Buffy a strong character. Remember how Buffy was conflicted about hunky boy Angel and remained herself in spite of her feelings including sacrificing their relationship for the greater good? Well here's another hunky boy who's so hunky she becomes a useless adolescent who is just too caught up in the hunkiness to be the Slayer!
Ehh season 4 just has to be powered through. Its all pretty rough. IMHO it doesn't get back on track until partway through season 5
3raserE ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:02:13 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Season 4 has a few good standalone episodes, but it's my least favorite season. I almost gave up too at one point.
Try watching Angel concurrently. Angel S1 is a bit formulaic, and not as good as later seasons, but it helped me power through BtVS until I reached BtVS seasons 5+6, which were my favorites.
slowgo ยท 70 points ยท Posted at 18:22:04 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Just stopped by to make sure Dawn was somewhere on this list. Ugh, ugh, and ugh. (I can take or leave Riley)
[deleted] ยท 34 points ยท Posted at 20:10:15 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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slowgo ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 21:21:56 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Dawn just bugs me on principle, because if you have this magical key that is essential to the fate of the universe and you want to turn it into something so it will be safe, I don't think I could imagine a worse thing to turn it into than a TEENAGE GIRL. Why not like, a single grain of sand in the Sahara desert? A rock at the bottom of the ocean? A small moon orbiting a distant planet? Come the fuck on, monks.
Glory was immortal, and would have found the Key eventually. The only way to prevent Glory from getting the Key was to defeat her, and the Slayer was one of the few people capable of doing so. Making the Key the Slayer's sister forced Glory and the Slayer to confront each other.
But couldn't they have just told her what was up? I mean, the Slayer's whole thing is fighting evil, I don't think she would have refused. And it seemed like transforming the Key into something angsty and uncontrollable that could run away and cause trouble on its own was just asking for trouble. At least if they had turned it into something harder to find/get to they would have bought Buffy & Co more time.
I think the logic was by making Dawn the key, Buffy would have a natural instinct to protect her, not just duty.
Instilling Dawn as something that's always been in her life means she'll protect her as much as she'd protect any other family member. Whereas just a generic object wouldn't have that same effect.
She would have tried to help for sure, but not with that level of determination and resolve. The end of the season makes it quite clear that Buffy went above and beyond "sane" to protect her. She was essentially ready to give up if it had been anything but her sister (and she was ready to sacrifice her friends for it, which she would probably not have been for anything else).
Yeah maybe, but I can't help thinking that if the key wasn't so goddamn easy for Glory to find they wouldn't have needed Buffy to be so maniacal in trying to defeat her because the whole thing wouldn't have built to a crisis point so quickly.
But glory was immortal and made crazy people who could identify the key. She would have found it eventually. The slayer needed to confront glory for the good of the universe(s) so they sent Buffy the key so she would protect it and defeat glory once glory found it (which she definitely would have eventually)
Dawn, not as much, but Riley. Oh god, I hate that guy. He was on an episode of Limitless, recently, and the minute I saw him, I just exclaimed, "Oh no! Fucking Riley!"
I actually started watching Buffy in season 4 when Riley was a mainstay, so I was always okay with him. Then in syndication I went back through season 1 and caught up and was like "oh wow, Angel is way cooler."
As much as I hated him in season 3 and 4, in season 5 and the after the fall comics I really liked him. He proved to be more mature and a valuable member of the team.
I think S6 would've been significantly worse without Dawn as an idea. Because she meant Buffy had serious real world responsibilities that she couldn't run away from.
She was a character done poorly, but I think the show would've become worse for a while without her.
[deleted] ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 21:29:12 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I hated Drusilla. Not for being evil but for making Spike boring when he was around her.
I also thought that Angel was one of the worst characters in Buffy (I haven't seen Angel the show, so I'm not commenting on his personality in that). He's just so bland and protect-y.
I really liked Drusilla. Especially her outrageous way of talking and absurd lines that come out of nowhere.
Dru: I'm naming all the stars.
Spike: You can't see the stars, love, that's the ceiling. Also, it's day.
Dru: I can see them. But I've named them all the same name, and there's terrible confusion.
Loved it. Though I agree, I didn't like how Spike became in her presence, especially since Drusilla had such a habit of leaving him or threatening to leave him for Angelus.
And yeah, I hated Angel on Buffy. It was a great moment when Buffy stabbed him and he fell into that portal or whatever. But Angel on Angel is pretty good. Though personally I liked many of the side characters more than I actually liked him.
Every single episode, I just wanted to punch Dawn in the face. I couldn't stand her whiny, bratty attitude ALL THE TIME. Even still when I catch an episode within the Dawn era, I immediately cringe.
Riley, yes. I recently rewatched the series, and just... fuck Riley and how much he weakened Buffy's character. Dawn, I never cared much for, though I will say I thought that she played the part of the bratty little sister so well. Reminded me of my own younger sisters, which probably made me hate her more. On rewatch, though, not quite as bad.
Asher111 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:23:11 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Agreed on all counts. To me, Riley's annoying-ness comes from his constant issues with Buffy being so strong (both physically and mentally). Which is why I found it kinda unrealistic that he came back married to a strong commando lady. He came across the whole time like he wanted a damsel to make himself feel big and manly.
But she was just so whiny. All she did was complain. Oh and steal. The concept of Dawn was interesting, if a little confusing. The actual character was just annoying.
In fairness to her; She's told she technically doesn't exist, and then has to deal with her mother dying, and then her sister dying. In terms of teenage angst, that's pretty damn big. And then her sister coming back not quite right.
She's annoying, but she has really good reason to be, because she goes through a looot.
Oh, man, by the end of Connor's arc, I was throwing things at the screen whenever he came on. Cordelia was my favorite character, too, it was so painful to watch her interactions with him (even if they weren't truly hers). But then the s4 finale happened, and I actually felt really bad for him.
Still wish he'd never been on the show, though. Poor Cordelia.
It really is. And so sad. I would watch so many more seasons of her.
lollylon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:50:26 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Meh, Riley was okay. He was probably the guy Buffy needed but never really wanted. Dawn was executed kind of perfectly (character-wise, not murder-wise)--she was super annoying, but as the bratty little sister that seems about right.
Connor, though. UGH. Angel had two excellent seasons, and then they introduced this little shit and it all fell apart.
I found Riley really boring and annoying my first run-through watching the show in high school. I loved Spike.
I recently started rewatching the show now some 15-odd years later and Riley has grown on me, just because he's mostly reliable and there's not some constant angst with him. Just a nice boy from Iowa.
Who is secretly a government agent tasked with killing monsters. And is jealous that his girlfriend is a better monster-killer than him. Oh and really, really likes letting junkie vampire chicks suck on him. But other than that, he's Buffy's only conquest with both a heart and a pulse, so he's got that going for him.
nderhjs ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:34:36 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Tara was the worst. A horribly written character with no real personality. She was bumbling around and as soon as she got a tiny tiny bit interesting, well, you know the rest.
Funnily enough, I like Anya the best. She matures more than anyone on the show (besides maybe Cordelia if you follow her development from Buffy to angel. Anya was bitchy and just fucking weird but when it counted, she made the most sense. You have to remember she wasn't human ever, so she started from nothing and essentially had to learn empathy, from scratch.
She also reminded people that being noble for nobility's sake is dangerous and it's OK to be selfish if the ends justify the means. She was never afraid to check anyone's ego, when she told Buffy "That doesn't make you better than us, it makes you luckier than us" I almost shat myself.
I love Anya, and Emma Caulfield was always great. I agree with you on Tara. I just did a rewatch of seasons 5 and 6 and I don't understand the love for her. She's great in her few one on ones with Buffy, but her and Willow are Bore City.
Anya was great. Definitely one of the best characters. I'm still mad at Xander on her behalf. And I hated her understated, pointless death. I don't care if a no-nonsense, non-dramatic death fit her character, or whatever the reasoning was.
I thought Tara was pretty boring as an individual, but I really liked how she made Willow grow. Though that came back to bite her when Willow surpassed her and started abusing her by magically messing with her mind. But before that, the Willow and Tara moments were just sort of sweet, like watching a little kid shyly hand a flower to someone they like.
nderhjs ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 12:25:55 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I like Tara at the end, and while willow and Tara are cute, I think the true love story is between Tara and Dawn. Not romance love, just plain old love for one another.
Dawn needed someone when Buffy was busy being super depressed. And Tara basically raised Dawn for a year.
klarno ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:20:06 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Dawn was fine. She was a normal teenage girl being raised in a really, really shitty situation that was only getting shittier. What someone else might term whiny to me seemed perfectly appropriate.
I never realized how universally hated Dawn was until the first time I saw a Once More with Feeling screening/singalong (at Comic-Con a few years ago). Everyone booed when Dawn was on-screen, and I looked around thinking that I had forgotten some horrible thing she did, but no, she's just somewhat annoying.
I loved Dawn from her first episode. I think Michelle did a good job playing her and the character was interesting. I went to "Buffy Horror Picture Show" (think Rocky Horror meets OMWF) at DragonCon last year and it was funny how half the crowd booed and half cheered when Dawn appeared. She is divisive, but not quite universally hated.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:16:28 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I always hated Tara so much because I loved Oz so much, and Oz left because Tara was with Willow. And I loved Dawn because I was 14 when she came on the show and I had a massive crush on her.
Ehhh. Oz left because he banged a she-werewolf, kept it secret from his girlfriend (who would have understood that he can't control himself in wolf-form), locked himself in a cage with the she-wolf to guarantee they would bang again despite knowing his girlfriend would come check on him and discover them, then killed the she-wolf, then decided to go backpacking around Asia to by himself. Expecting Willow to still be waiting for him was just silly. She's a babe. The fact that she fell for another woman was unexpected, but it was ridiculously presumptuous of him to expect to just pick things up where they left off after he dumped her and ran away.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:53:43 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Was that all ever explained in the show, or just in the comics? I just remember him leaving so he could master his werewolf side, coming back with a mastery of his werewolf side, and getting turned down because his girlfriend was a lesbian. He's still probably my character.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:16:58 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
How can you talk BTVS and not include Tara??? Joss / drew love them some week actors, see foggy and red haired chick from "true blood" who are on "daredevil" for more examples
What wrong with you guys, theres nothing wrong with space chinese. I saw the force awakens in indonesia and the crowd clapped and cheered when the asian space pirates appeared, they loved it. Stop being over sensitive.
this is an interesting article on the matter here and there are plenty others too. Though really there are myriad reasons to hate Jar Jar. Take your pick.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 07:48:35 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You don't have to be offended to point out stereotypes and racism.
English accents are inner system accents. American accents are found in the outer system planets. If you're from Courascant you'll have a British accent if you're from Tatooine you'll have an American accent.
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 15:38:42 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Wait is that actually canon because I wouldn't be surprised.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:06:28 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:19:26 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That would be interesting if they had in-universe explanations for different accents and ethnicities and stuff. Until the inevitable backlash comes when they accidentally make black people be from a different planet.
Was it? I seriously don't see any. I mean sure I get space nazis from Empire stuff, particularly in TFA but racial and ethnic? I honestly don't get it.
ive been watching clonewars clips on youtube and stumbled on the dooku vs anakin/obi/ wan/yoda fight in ep 2. "it is obvious that this contest cannot be decided by our knowledge of the force...but by our skills with the lightsaber". poor christopher lee ;_;
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 05:50:08 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
it just seemed unnecessary given that they spent like a full minute showing that yoda could deflect rocks and force lightning. the dialogue being as bad as it was in general, they should have just went with "show, dont tell"
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:01:56 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well, for one, it makes it look like Yoda was actually putting us all one with his walking stick and slow gait. He takes off his robe and all of the sudden his back is straight and starts fighting in sort of silly flying dwarf technique.
Secondly, no matter how skilled Dooku was, is it really plausible that he was more than twice as powerful as two other Jedi?
Dooku was known for his skill with the lightsaber. He performed his best while fighting one or two opponents
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 10:09:58 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Right, you know that from either EU or some other now-non-Cannon source.
But the viewers don't know that. All they know is Yoda is old - like from the original three movies we think he's like 900 years old or something.
Then they know that Dooku is also really old. Like, for a human, in his 60's or 70's.
It makes little sense unless you are deep into the story. Even then the character development makes no sense.
Yoda especially makes no sense. In the original three movies we see Jedi that are susceptible to the strains of time - Obi Wan is old and tired and Vader easily would have defeated him, if not for the distraction he provided. Yoda is also old and broken, and tired and creaky. The emperor while strong with the force is also old and bent. When Vader turns on him, he is completely helpless and is simply tossed over the edge into the void.
Yet now we go back to the prequels, and they re-imagine the Force as some elixir of youth, where it fixes your creaky back and all that, and when "activated" makes a 60+ year old human more agile and better endurance than two peak fighting age Jedi. Likewise Yoda becomes some sort of cannonball of energy without a care in the world.
I know in the big scheme of things not that big a problem but the distance they went to (a) cast Christopher Lee and (b) to make Yoda have a fight scene is pretty epic and weird.
George Lucas said star wars is a space opera. A soap opera in space that focuses around one family and their drama.
Thats why people hate the prequels. Its supposed to be sci fi action but the dumbfucl was trying to make it a soap opera. Thats why we have great movies but with shitty lines
It would have been fine as a space opera, as long as the dialogue was a hell of a lot better. I'm okay with following the Skywalker family and letting them be the center of the universe, as long as it's well-written and they're involved in interesting plots (bringing balance to the Force, taking over the galaxy, overthrowing dictators, etc...).
worst romance ever and also totally inappropriate for who the characters are supposed to be. it's so wrong for them to just retreat to this romance planet and roll around in the grass.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:17:32 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yes there were a couple memorable scenes, this was one of them. But even this scene has fucking horrendous lines like "DEMOCRACY!!" and "from my point of view...". Shortly followed by "NOOOOO". I mean that's a triple whammy of shit right there.
So why is this line referenced so much when starting up the hate train for the prequel? I agree, it's a stupid line and was lazily written, but why does it have such a following?
It's just a prime example of the prequel's tendency to have the characters tell the audience what is happening/what the characters are feeling rather than showing the audience through actions. It always gets brought up because it's a laughably bad line from a storytelling point of view.
It's exactly that, it's the fact that he gets over murdering Windu so easily and just basically accepts everything that Palpatine says after. Even when Palpatine tells him that he lied and that he doesn't really know how to stop people from dying. Palpatine actually says that if Anakin joins him as Sith they can discover the power together, and Anakin just goes along with it.
He expresses remorse immediately after killing Windu but then Palpatine puts his evil hood on and Anakin just does everything he's told to do without any suspicion or doubt. It was asinine.
Edit: And yeah, he killed Jedi children just because Palpatine told him to. I know that's meant to show he's gone to the Dark Side but it makes him look like a sociopath the way he just went from zero to Sith Lord in the span of about 30 seconds.
And also, he was the most powerful force user ever, and he couldn't hold back Obi-wan? He fucking killed him after being tossed in lava, having most of his body burn up and being slashed by a light saber, but he couldn't do it before?
Obi-Wan definitely got out of that duel way too easily.
Of course we know from the OT that he won it but considering he had his ass handed to him by Dooku twice in a row, he should have come out of the duel with Anakin a bit worse for wear.
Because it's so obviously the screenwriter trying to hurry the plot along for the ending rather than have developed characters with good dialogue.
It's also a good example of characters flat-out saying how they feel rather than letting the acting do the job.
This sort of thing was referenced in Futurama when the Robot Devil says, "You can't just have your characters announce how they feel! That makes me feel angry!"
There are many other things that Anakin could have said that would have fit much better.
He could have turned it around on Obi-Wan and told Obi-Wan that the Jedi are traitors to the Republic and against democracy for trying to arrest Palpatine. Mace Windu even attempted to murder Palpatine without a trial.
He could have said that the Jedi are weak, bureaucratic, unempathetic and dogmatic, and that Palpatine and the Sith understand the true nature and potential of the Force.
He could have said that the Jedi are hypocrites and morally bankrupt, that they preach certain values but don't practice them.
Maybe he could have even brought up his own treatment by the Jedi Order, in the first movie they were suspicious and distrustful of him because they could sense that he was extremely Force sensitive and he had great fear.
Anything would have been better than what he said in the movie.
Most of the time it's Qui-gon, Obi-wan, Mace Windu, and Yoda just casually mentioning it without him around. Like oh yeah, you know that kid that was spontaneously created by the force and is supposed to save the galaxy? How's 8th grade going for him?
You really prefer an innocent child to portray your eventually genocidal major villain character?
He's supposed to have a significant evil component. That's the whole point.
You're right, in episode 2, he is 20 years old. In episode 1, he is 9 years old and AotC takes place 10 years later. The idea is that he turns 10 very soon after episode 1.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 22:06:24 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
[deleted] ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 00:33:22 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Apparently the actor who played Boba hadn't even seen Star Wars until after he got casted. George Lucas LITERALLY found the only 10 yeard old boy IN THE GALAXY who hadn't seen a Star Wars movie and got him to be a big character in his next Star Wars movie. God dammit, it's like he was trying to make it terrible!
They should have went for a disgruntled and jaded Anakin. Not this whiny emo little shit. Like granting him a seat on the council without the title of Master. Doing stuff like that would have been a great way to make him feel alienated, while Palpatine was giving him praise and acceptance while offering instant gratification.
If you mean the blond kid who was one insult away from shooting up his school, I disagree.
George was looking for someone who had tons of heart and promise for the world. Jake was perfect for that. It makes the downward spiral all the more poignant considering we're supposed to be losing one of the great ones.
I don't think Jake had that in most people's eyes, though.
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 21:21:08 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He's infinitely preferable to the Anakin from the next movie.
YUNoDie ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 19:32:32 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Something I thought up recently: what if Basic/English isn't Anakin's first language? We know he speaks Huttese, what if he says things that are weird to us but completely normal to him in his first language?
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 22:20:57 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Teenage emo anakin "no one understands me" skywalker too
BWGOAT ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:43:37 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Am I the only one who didn't mind Jar Jar but couldn't stand baby vader?
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 02:15:44 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I actually like the prequels as a whole, not really much i found to be wrong except for being overshadowed by the originals. That and some cringey parts. Side note: did not like the new one any better than a prequel
I was watching this yesterday and realized that Anakin is born from the stars version of the virgin of Mary. I was like wait, she just "became pregnant" for no reason?
Sooo Anakin is like Jesus? But of the dark side...? Okay
I recently watched the prequels for the first time and holy fuck I hated that kid. Typical "i'm the best I am awesome" and is really just an annoying preppy kid.
okay Anakin is a sad soul okay. And he gets ridiculously hot when he lets his hair down in Revenge of the Sith and turns evil. When he marches into the Jedi temple to go slaughter all those younglings and fellow Jedi, lord help me I am MOIST
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:22:59 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'd really like for George to explain if Anakin was someone we were supposed to root for at one point, or always think was a shithead.
karnyboy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:12:35 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I thought he wasn't too bad. He's a kid, I can see a kid reacting like that. Teenage Anakin was far more annoying to me, even though I could see grumpy teenagers coming up with lines like "I hate sand..." etc. Teen years are by far the most awkward years of a person's life.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:09:59 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Pompous kids go on to be the most profitable Star Wars fans, so it makes sense to target that type when they are young. George Lucas is no idiot when it comes to what's best for his bank account, targeting episode 1 directly to little kids was shrewd.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:16:29 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't get the hate for him, anyone care to explain?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:51:16 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The actor, Jake Lloyd, actually developed schizophrenia and was arrested by the cops after leading them on a chase after striking his mother last summer.
Google it if you don't believe me.
buck54321 ยท 3076 points ยท Posted at 17:47:17 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Didn't you get the memo. We like Jar-Jar now that he's a Sith lord.
Yes, and one that you really have to ignore a lot of rational/common sense assumptions to really believe.
E.G. Jar jar does a three story tall triple summersault not because Lucas would find it cool and kids would laugh at the silly character, but because Jar jar is actually summoning the force to do it.
Which means he would also be a really crappy sith Lord if he was that bad at hiding it.
edit: Here it is if you want to read it. It's a great fan theory, but at the end of the day that's all it is: a theory hypothesis (sounded good at first, but that's what it actually is). Believe it if you would prefer to think that George Lucas is infallible and didn't just make a gigantic mistake creating a stupid kid-pandering character.
edit 2: People keep talking about evidence. In-universe, circumstantial 'evidence' linked by conjecture. That's all it is. And you have to ignore all of the real world evidence of pandering to children, poor writing, poor directing, poor character creation and development. All of that can be factually proven in the prequels by looking at Jar jar and young anakin, the stilted dialogue, lack of emotion, and numerous characters that either have no reason to exist or do nothing useful in the movies, respectively.
Exactly, that isn't what a sith lord what do, so it's exactly what a sith lord trying to hide would do.
When fingers start getting pointed they go for the sinister looking old man who talks about the dark side and likes to wear a hood, not the cartoon rabbit. Jar jar knows that.
It might also have something to do with the audience having seen the original trilogy, where someone named "Emperor Palpatine" who was played by the same actor was the primary antagonist.
[deleted] ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 01:35:09 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He's never called Palpatine in the original trilogy
Interesting... yet still everyone knew the name Palpatine before the prequel trilogy, presumably from EU stuff, the script itself, or from movie merchandise. Kind of like how we also know who Bib Fortuna is.
Anyway, I remember back when I watched it, I was surprised when people told me that it's supposed to be a surprise that Senator Palpatine is the emperor, to the point where Darth Sidious wasn't actually credited as Ian McDiarmid as a way of keeping the secret.
My reaction was something like "Well, obviously "Senator" Palpatine is the future Emperor Palpatine, and he's also this Darth Sidious guy. You can tell by the fact that they are obviously the same actor, and when McDiarmid is playing Sidious, he's totally doing his emperor voice"
Anything that points to Jar Jar being a sith is evidence of the theory. Anything that conflicts with Jar Jar being a sith is evidence of Jar Jar hiding that he's a Sith, thus evidence of the theory.
liveart ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 23:06:41 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Except that's not what he's saying. He's not saying 'anything that conflicts with jar jar being a sith means he's a sith', he's saying a sith hiding the fact they are a sith isn't exactly unheard of or out of line for the sith so it's not strong evidence. Just because you think it conflicts doesn't mean it actually does, deception is one of the most common traits for the sith after all. Saying 'well that's just a conspiracy theory' is just a convenient way to not argue the evidence. For the record I think it would be cool if jar jar was a sith but I don't give Lucas enough credit to believe it.
[deleted] ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 22:44:16 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
We should consider, however, that the story was written by George Lucas, who is an insufferable loon.
Here is the thing Lucas was a huge fan of foundation. Yoda could be seen as the good version of The Mule. Who is to say that he didn't want to make the actual Mule. There were massive script rewrites of episode 2 and it was originally called Jar Jar's grand adventure. I honestly think it was originally a thing but was dropped due to the massive negative reaction to episode 1 and Jar Jar in particular.
ohohpopo ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 19:46:02 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Exactly, that isn't what a sith lord what do, so it's exactly what a sith lord trying to hide would do.
Ah, but that's just what a sith lord would want you to think he wouldn't do.
it's exactly what a sith lord trying to hide would do
Aha! So therefore, to allay suspicion, he shouldn't do it, because if he does, he looks exactly like a sith lord trying to allay suspicion!
Megmca ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 08:19:02 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
A Sith Lord wouldn't fucking try to hide. A Sith Lord would lightning bolt everyone around him in the balls until they did what he wanted. Then he'd force choke them for good measure. And then more lightning.
Source: I was a Sith Inquisitor in The Old Republic.
Tell that to the Joker, I think he just gets hard off the chaos
[deleted] ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 20:38:13 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I love this. This is exactly how real conspiracy theories work. Every piece of circumstantial evidence that happens to fit with the theory, confirms the theory. All contrary evidence goes to show how good he is at hiding his true nature, also confirming the theory.
[deleted] ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 19:03:20 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
A big part of the theory is that Jar Jar pretends to be an idiot to avoid suspicion. When someone is that much a bumbling idiot, you feel safe letting your guard down around them. You don't suspect them of manipulating you, which ultimately makes it easier for Jar Jar to subtly influence the group's actions.
Remember, if the theory is true, Jar Jar has to manipulate several jedi, a queen, multiple high ranking military officers, and an entire senate. These are people that are going to be very highly aware of people who are trying to manipulate them. He needs to make every effort he can to disguise his true nature. Stepping in a pile of shit or making his mouth numb for a few minutes are small prices to pay.
This is the biggest inconsistency in the theory, actually.
When Jar Jar does idiotic things, even when no one is paying attention to him, it's all part of his long con to avoid suspicion and hide in plain sight.
Then when he allegedly uses the force repeatedly right in front of the Jedi (like with that 20 ft leap into the water), that's also seen as evidence that he's a sith lord, because he otherwise wouldn't be able to use the force.
Anyone else see the cheat in this reasoning? It's just rationalizations piled on rationalizations. It's utterly unnecessary to act like that much of a fool to allay suspicion, and if you wanted to allay suspicion, it would be positively moronic to use the force for unnecessary acrobatic displays.
It's an aggressively stupid theory, and I still haven't decided if I think anyone actually takes it seriously, or if it's all a joke.
He dives into his natural environment in order to determine if the Jedi are taken in if they aren't he will retreat and they won't be able to follow him quick enough. If they are he has his in with the Jedi and transitively the queen.
So if I understand this reasoning correctly, he openly force leaps into the water as a test to see if they're so monumentally stupid as to not notice, and then when they demonstrate their monumental stupidity he returns to his carefully and immaculately prepared idiot persona because, evidently, he's still worried that they might somehow catch on.
If so, that's a terrible idea. Do you imagine that as standard operating procedure for confidence men? Do magicians routinely openly show you the trick in the hopes that you'll be too stupid to get it so that they'll know they can slack off on all their future tricks.... but then not slack off anyway because, one assumes, "reasons"?
Another huge problem with all of this is that his idiot persona would be an enormous liability if he wanted to convince people that he should be trusted with anything important. He's basically Inspector Clouseau or Inspector Gadget, stumbling accidentally into success at every turn and getting lucky enough that people mistake it for competence.
So you can't have it both ways. Either his buffoonery is a trick to allay suspicion, and everyone should actually regard him as a buffoon, or he's actually a buffoon, and the only reason he gets any power or influence is that Lucas writes everyone so that they fail to notice his incompetence.
I tried to watch that once. The aforementioned inconsistency between him allegedly openly using the force and also maintaining a carefully crafted persona as an innocent buffoon was so jarring that I dismissed the video as a waste of time and gave up about halfway through.
Bonus favorite scene was attaching nefarious words to Jar Jar's lip movements, as if it's not really easy to do. For example, in this gif, Jaime Lannister is actually saying "fantastic"... and he's played by an actual actor delivering a real line with his human lips, unlike Jar Jar and his blubbering CGI froglips.
EDIT: As for Lucas's alleged influences, that's really reaching. What if we also found that Lucas was a fan of the Pink Panther movies? Would that be evidence that Jar Jar really is a buffoon? What if we then found out that Lucas loved The Usual Suspects? Oh crap, now the sith theory is looking plausible again!
Except there is already a distinct parallel via yoda. The is Jar Jar literally doesn't speak in these scenes so why are his lips moving. Why are there so many hand waves. Why do the Gungans seem terrified of him. What explain him killing droid after droid via flukes. The strongest part of that is similarity to drunken fist.
It's not really much of a parallel. Yoda acted goofy for a very short time in order to test Luke's patience, and see how he would behave when he didn't know he was being evaluated. And Yoda's goofiness is clearly for Luke's benefit. Whose is Jar Jar's for? Half the stupid stuff he does is in the background when no one is paying attention.
And why not point out parallels to the other goofy characters in the Star Wars movies? Why isn't there a sith theory for C-3P0? Or maybe Salacious Crumb? Sometimes a goofy character is just goofy. Especially in Star Wars.
why are his lips moving
Well, I wasn't involved with the production, but the CGI in that movie is always super busy and distracting. My guess is that they thought it made him look more dynamic. They may also have thought that having his mouth blubber about contributed to his goofiness.
Why do the Gungans seem terrified of him.
Do they, though? One of them openly and unnecessarily antagonizes him with a cattle prod just so Lucas can shoehorn in the line "how rude!" (EDIT: Which, incidentally, is a parallel to C-3P0, but I suppose we don't want to talk about those obvious parallels, because they don't fit the theory) To the extent that they do seem to be afraid of him, the movie itself offers an explanation. He was exiled for being destructively clumsy, and then he proceeds to make that explanation plausible over the course of the film by repeatedly demonstrating destructive clumsiness.
But mostly, they seem more frustrated and exasperated with him than afraid.
Anyway, let's say they were terrified. The explanation you want to arrive at, I assume, is that they know he's a sith. If that's the case, bringing the Jedi to the only people who could blow your cover and then subsequently bringing those people into the public politics of Naboo seems like a terrible idea.
What explain him killing droid after droid via flukes. The strongest part of that is similarity to drunken fist.
Square peg, round hole, but I guess if you force anything hard enough, you can try to make it fit. There's virtually no similarity to drunken fist. Drunken boxing is an actual martial arts style and the only thing it shares in common with what Jar Jar does is that it looks awkward and confusing to people.
The infinitely more likely explanation is that it's slapstick comedy. There are innumerable examples of clumsy buffoons accidentally defeating their enemies in films, and the Jar Jar scenes in Phantom Menace have exactly the same tone, pacing, and comedic timing as those scenes.
EDIT: And a question for you. Must I debunk each and every claim of the sith hypothesis before you'll begin to doubt it at all? The only way a conspiracy theory like this works is that a predominance of weak evidence and tenuous links adds up to something you can't ignore. There's nothing adding up here. You're retreating into an ever receding pocket of hold-out rationalizations that would never sell the theory on their own.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:04:56 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
There's a deleted scene where he is controlling the crowd. I feel it's perfectly believable that at some point he was meant to be a reveal and then it got scrapped.
ceedubs2 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:41:25 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
peppers_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:33:45 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't know, who said that a Sith has to be smart? Look at Anakin, he was a moron who was manipulated easily. I'd have to ask who his master was though. There is always a Master and Apprentice. Darth Sidious had Darth Maul and then Count Dooku, then Darth Vader. If Jar Jar was the master, shouldn't he have tried to convert Anakin?
Anyone who spends more than 2 seconds in that theory is a sad sad moron.
Only thing you gotta remember is what a stupid racist idea he was and how badly out of sync Lucas is to do that.
At the very least an ill thought racial stereotype turned into a cgi space rabbit- at worst something really significant about Lucas' thinking: See the numerous decidedly dodgy quotes from him throughout his career- even just the other day.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:11:49 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe you're a fucking bigot or don't know how to google nevermind see something incredibly obvious millions of people have talked about for years.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:00:23 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm a bigot now? Yeah, you totally convinced me. Fuck off nerd.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:25:37 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well, first of all, you don't personally know anyone who believes that theory, ironically or unironically, so you have no right to call them morons. Also, racist? What? You mean the accent?
bac5665 ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 19:53:23 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Because now that the theory got popular, people have to jump ahead of it, be overly serious about it, and call it stupid and anyone who believed in it morons. Because that's what nerds do and it's why everybody in real life hates them and their culture.
Well show me one other Gungan that made an impact in the battle of Naboo, or demonstrated the use of any acrobatics, or anyone who constantly gets senselessly dragged and promoted into every situation, or is as luckily effective as he is. (Remember, Obi-Wan said in Ep. 4 that there is no such thing as luck.) And what does he do when he sits in for Queen Amidala? He persuades the Galactic Senate to give full control to Chancellor Palpatine and the ability to control the Clone Army, killing democracy
Lucas also likes to give names with meaning. His name "Binks" likely comes from "Bink," from the Xanth series. His character who gets banished (just like Jar Jar was outcasted) has strong powers that work in "roundabout" ways to protect him, but revealing this to others would ultimately be his downfall. His powers even work to prevent others from discovering the existence of these powers.
There's far more evidence, though, the general theory is this: Jar Jar was supposed to be revealed as a Sith Lord in Ep. 2, but they made him so unpalatable in Ep. 1 that they backed out. Upon this reveal it would be apparent that The Phantom Menace was Jar Jar, not Palpatine or Maul. (Remember that a common definition of 'Menace' is "a person or thing that causes trouble or annoyance" which describes Jar Jar far better than Palpatine or Maul.) Instead, Count Dooku was introduced with no back story, because he was pasted in where Jar Jar should have been, causing the separatist movement and all. This leads to the "Luke, I am your father" "Ani, I am Darth Tyranus" moment (also similar to the reveal in Ep. 5 that the comical, oddball was actually the Jedi Master Yoda) and we'd have an awesome puppet fight between Jar Jar and Yoda in Ep. 2, rather than with Dooku.
Makes watching Episode I better baring this in mind, I'll tell you that much.
Edit: Also Ahmed Best (the voice actor of Jar Jar) said this in an interview
"In Revenge of the Sith, there was a scene that was cut where Iโm walking down a long pathway with Ian McDiarmid before he is turned into the Emperor,โ Best explains. โAnd Palpatine kind of thanks Jar Jar for putting him in power. Itโs a really interesting scene, and it shows the evolution of Jar Jar from this fun-loving kidโs character into this manipulated politician. And it was an interesting arc for the character that I thought could have been explored, because the scene is really dark. But it just didnโt fit in the movie, which I understand. But yeah, Georgeโs take on it is Jar Jar is now just a politician
Regardless of all else, it is apparent that Jar Jar was intended to land on the dark side either way.
Since when did the fans give a shit about George Lucas' intentions?
George Lucas obviously didn't intend to use parsecs to discuss the speed of the Kessel run because it involved swinging dangerously close to a black hole to cut down on the distance, that was a fan theory to cover up Lucas' bad writing. And guess what, that theory gets a nod in TFA.
Artist's intent is completely irrelevant when discussing Star Wars.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:57:48 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Its a great idea for fanfiction and thats about it
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:13:16 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Referring to the triple somersault part, the theory part is that he was hanging from one side of the bridge, and he came down from the other side and droid heads looked like they were following his movements.
I'm not trying to argue the theory or anything, just stating what it says in case people decide not to read the article
Eh, when you're talking about fiction, in universe is really what's important anyways. A major tenet of literary theory says exactly this. Some go so far as to say the author's intention isn't something to be taken into account (ie the intentional fallacy).
edit: autocorrect.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:28:10 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Here is the biggest reason to think Jar Jar uses the force. Jar Jar has actual luck in a universe where luck doesn't exist. There is also the whole thing about talking about how hot Padme is to an 8 year old but let's not talk about that.
Let's stick to what we know-- what we know is that even after Palpatine is elected as Chancellor, years after Jar Jar has been "tricked" into helping elect him, Palpatine still hangs out with Jar Jar in RotS. [23] . Why?
Uhm, because Jar Jar is a fool who is easily manipulated. Palpatine doesn't even have to use his powers on him because of how dumb Jar Jar is in the prequels. He's so easily manipulated by those around him it didn't even take the force.
What, "unbelievable!" you might say. You mean, as unbelievable as in the real world where it happens all the time without the force?
Wouldn't he be a constant source of public embarrassment? This is the same character who can't walk five yards without stepping in poodoo or squealing like a rabid donkey, right? What use does he have now? Why is he still at the right hand of the most powerful person in the galaxy?
Yes he would. But he's there as a political appeasement to the Queen, who becomes a senator herself! This is how politics works. In universe Palpatine is thrilled to have Jar Jar in the position because he knows he's a moron and can be used. And he has backing of Amidala because she likes Jar Jar from the good old days, so everyone follows him because they like here and know she places trust in Jar Jar out of sentiment. This literally happens in Politics all the friggin time.
It's not compelling because the rational explanation is much more real and much less of a strain to understand.
Uhm, because Jar Jar is a fool who is easily manipulated. Palpatine doesn't even have to use his powers on him because of how dumb Jar Jar is in the prequels. He's so easily manipulated by those around him it didn't even take the force. What, "unbelievable!" you might say. You mean, as unbelievable as in the real world where it happens all the time without the force?
Palpatine would only do that if Jar Jar had some value to him... something not available from just anyone. Else why expend any effort manipulating a broke simpleton?
Naboo is one small planet in a gigantic federation. Palpatine does not need anything from either Jar Jar or the Queen of that useless tourist trap.
EDIT: And another thing. Jar Jar's position at Palpatine's side gives him a profound access to confidential information and decisions. Jar Jar must be assumed to be blabbing everything. So you would never keep him around except in tightly controlled situations that were staged to mislead him... assuming, of course, that he is worth misleading.
I don't know, that's the point you tell me lol. Bad writing? I said in my longer post that the jump was probably a stylistic thing Lucas inserted, or something that someone suggested to him to make the end of the scene more interesting then the three of them slipping into the water. It makes it more interesting for the kids too when they watch Jar Jar's crazy antics on screen because he is ultimately comic relief.
Well if you are putting words into my mouth, then that's what I'm doing on this one specific point, yes. I mean, how else can you disprove a hypothesis which is based on mostly guesses and suppositions? The original hypothesis was an extraordinary post filled with lots of circumstantial evidence filled in and connected by conjecture. Like most 'conspiracy' type assertions, it requires a focus more on what we don't know than what we do to come to a conclusion. Which was wrong, by the way, since Jar Jar is not snoke and Disney is not using that plot line moving forward.
If you want to know the other exhausting myriad of real facts which disprove the Jar Jar hypothesis then by all means, read on.
Occam's Razor, and more importantly truthful, hard evidence is your friend.
I get it, but that's what bothers me the most in a more general sense: that people are willing to ignore facts to believe what they want even when it makes no sense.
The Jar Jar hate circlejerk exists because Jar Jar is an objectively terrible character, and everyone could see immediately that he was just a blight on the franchise. It's sad but true and this hypothesis just comes off as a desperate attempt to bring meaning back to the prequels for hardcore fans where none exists.
Yeah Jar Jar is an atrocity, but he can't be ignored at this point. Even the edits and fan versions that cut him out aren't enough, that's the same as accepting the Darth Jar Jar theory. Episode 1 sucked for many reasons, it's better if we all just accept it as the weaker episode of the series and hope Disney doesn't change that.
I hate the existence of that "fan theory", which literally no one believes. It's entirely sarcastic. Does it make episode I cooler? No. Does it make JarJar cooler? No, not possible. All it did was make people talk more about JarJar in the run up to episode VII. Least cool fan theory ever. THANKS OBAMA.
The jump could easily be explained as something his species can do which if it even was force related, the characters would have to know that his species can't do that in order to come to that conclusion.
that was probably the least convincing part of the theory. What made me think its true is the deliberate animations put in place. He jumps and appears somewhere totally different off camera but the droid that was animated recognises the quick change in movement.
thats what makes it so believable for me. If they revealed jar jar to be a sith people would go back to the 1st movie and would notice these things. Theres also jar jars mouth movement as major characters talk and since jar jar was animated then it was put in intentionally
While the theory is stupid already, the fact that a supposed Sith Lord performs force flips in front of two Jedi, defeats the whole thing. He's an amphibious alien, it's not out of the realm of possibility his species can jump like frogs.
Well it's still a plausible theory, it's just that the jump thing isn't any big solid evidence. The theory itself, imo is pretty cool and rather solid.
this, the jump is pretty minimal evidence compared to the rest
narrill ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 18:47:35 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The evidence in TPM is actually very strong, and it's been said in interviews that the plot of II and III were drastically changed because of the hate Jar Jar got. At this point I think it's obvious Lucas had intended for Jar Jar to be a sith lord, but dropped the idea after TPM.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 19:16:06 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I actually re watched TPM a few days ago, and I wouldn't consider the evidence "very strong". If you really want to believe the theory you can piece together evidence to support your opinion, but there is also a fair amount of evidence that would disprove the Darth Jar Jar theory.
Probably the biggest piece of evidence against it would be the line at the end of the movie where Yoda tells Mace Windu "Always two there are, no more, no less."
Morpse4 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 19:20:27 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
But there's hardly ever just two, and when there are two, at least one of them is probably trying to recruit another one.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:38:13 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
During the movies I don't think there are ever more than 2 Sith at any time, Grievous would be the closest but he's never actually a Sith he's just a bad ass warrior that Dooku taught lightsaber techniques to.
Palpatine does try to recruit new Sith while he still has a current apprentice, but he never actually has 2 apprentices at once. He tries to get Luke to kill Darth Vader, completing his transformation to the dark side which would maintain the rule of two. He also gets Anakin to kill Count Dooku during the process of turning Anakin to the Darkside.
Honestly I think the easiest and most likely answer to why there are so many plot holes, and dumb things in I, II, and III is simply that George Lucas wasn't an amazing script writer.
Morpse4 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:53:07 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The movies are most often two sith, but they are actively trying to recruit during the movies, while Palpatine tried to recruit by getting someone to kill his apprentice, remember that Darth Vader wanted to recruit Luke and then dethrone the emperor.
TFA SPOILERS BELOW
In the newest movie, we see Kylo Ren try to recruit Rey. We also need more information on Snoke, IMO its extremely unlikely he became a sith after the death of Vader and Palpatine which means at least RotJ had 3 sith in it. He seems to be quite old and battle scarred which may indicate he's been around at least as long as Palpatine, possibly even Palpatine's master Plaguis.
narrill ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:31:52 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The easiest answer to that is that contemporary sith don't hold to the rule of two as strictly as Yoda thinks they do. Remember that until Darth Maul and Qui Gon's fight the Jedi and Sith hadn't seen each other in almost a thousand years. And obviously in the context of the entire trilogy there already were three sith at that point with Dooku included.
But it's also plausible that Jar Jar is some manifestation of darth plagueis, who Palpatine believes he killed. This would actually jive nicely with the rule of two - the point of it is for the apprentice to surpass and kill the master, but iirc palpatine killed plagueis in his sleep, defeating the point. It would make sense for the rule of two to be broken in that case, which, theoretically, plagueis did by creating anakin.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:38:06 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And obviously in the context of the entire trilogy there already were three sith at that point with Dooku included.
There were 10 years between TPM, and AotC plenty of time in there for Dooku to become a Sith, It's kind of a big assumption to believe he already was a Sith during TPM.
narrill ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:54:00 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's reasonable, but again, Palpatine isn't shown to follow the principle of the rule of two to begin with. He kills Plagueis in his sleep, sacrifices Dooku to turn Anakin, then tries to sacrifice Anakin to turn Luke. He isn't looking after the sith lineage, he's looking for the most powerful pawn.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:24:29 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Well the rule of two never had anything to do with Sith lineage, It was basically a rule that a Sith lord made up after the Sith got almost entirely wiped out by the Jedi, because the Sith were so consumed with their quest for power that they were as much at war with themselves as they were with the Jedi.
The rule of two made it less likely that there would be major conflict within the Sith empire, and looking for the most powerful pawn doesn't break the rule of two. Based off the movies I'd say Palpatine follows the rule of two incredibly well. When attempting to recruit Anakin, he has Anakin kill Dooku. When attempting to recruit Luke he tries to get him to kill Vader.
narrill ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:22:23 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The rule of two was created by darth bane after the destruction of the sith order at the time, which he felt had grown weak not because of in-fighting (though that was also a factor), but because it allowed sith lords to stay in power politically rather than by actually being powerful. The whole point of the rule of two is that the master has power and the apprentice wants to take that power, so they learn all they can then kill the master and take on an apprentice of their own. It had nothing to do with reducing conflict and everything to do with preventing stagnation.
There's no evidence whatsoever that this principle is still followed by the time of the prequels. Certainly not by Palpatine, who killed his master in his sleep.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:46:29 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Except there are hardly ever any decent examples of there being only TWO Sith in the entire galaxy at one time.
The Clone Wars TV series validates this. As an example, Asajj Ventress is Count Dooku's apprentice/assassin and is most definitely a Sith. Dooku is Sidious' apprentice. Then you have the still living Darth Maul take on his own apprentice in his brother Savage, who also was at one time apprentice to both Ventress and Dooku.
What is much more clear is that the Jedi have a very clear misunderstanding of how the Sith truly operate.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:52:01 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not saying that the theory is impossible, I'm just saying that the evidence isn't "very strong" either way. There are pieces of evidence that support Darth Jar Jar, and there are pieces of evidence that disprove it.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:59:28 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not arguing the Jar Jar theory, simply stating that there is no evidence that the rule of two has ever only meant there are only ever two Sith in the galaxy of Star Wars. On the contrary, the evidence in the Star Wars movies and television series suggests the opposite, that there are indeed often more than two Sith.
Just saying that your initial argument about what Yoda says, "Always two there are, no more, no less." is inherently flawed based upon what we actually know about the Sith. What you do understand in that quote is how the Jedi drastically misunderstand their opponents, the Sith.
Basically, I'm just trying to point out that your ending argument is actually the last argument you should be attempting to use as evidence against the Darth Jar Jar theory, as it's an extremely flawed example.
I think the best evidence against the Darth Jar Jar theory is that it simply doesn't exist at all. It's simply just an interesting fan theory. Lucas may have originally considered it during the Phantom Menace production, but it obviously never went beyond that.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:19:01 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
At no point during any of the 6 movies are there ever more than 2 sith at any time.
The Clone Wars T.V series is a different beast entirely, but that show did not exist at the time of TPM so I don't feel like it should be used as evidence the rule of two as stated in TPM didn't exist.
Think about that reveal in episode 2 if it had actually happened... a character that was previously written as a bumbling fool is revealed to be the smartest character of the whole group, and was the whole time. It would be like Ernest goes to space and all of a sudden he can inexplicably and single handedly operate and land a shuttle craft on his own, or if Lloyd Christmas suddenly starred in a serious drama where he discovers the equation to a unifying field theory.
It would make no sense, is beyond poor writing or storytelling, and people wouldn't accept it and write the films off as even more terrible than they already are. Or, at least episode 1.
But by all means, continue to believe that George Lucas can do no wrong and is smarter than millions of fans and critics who have universally rejected the character. Apparently he wasn't smart enough to stick to his guns and blow the minds of everyone in the world with this fantastic and brilliant twist, I guess. If indeed he made major changes to the character of jar jar in order to remove this plotline, then it just proves more than ever that he was willing to pander to his audience, which is what people already thought jar jar was as a character anyways.
narrill ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:03:22 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't know how you could possibly think it would make no sense in the face of the evidence the theory presents, and I'm sure a few minutes of googling is all it would take to find other stories with similar twists. Calling it poor storytelling is just closed-minded.
As for Lucas, I don't think anyone thinks he's particularly smart. Thanks to him we got a bubblegum soap opera with fancy effects when we should have gotten Tolkien in space, and I think that deep down a lot of the hard core fans realize that. This theory is a glimmer of hope that Lucas isn't as stupid as he seems, and if you look at the theory in the context of Lucas being a terrible writer it actually becomes a lot more reasonable. It makes sense that he wouldn't be able to properly juggle the main plot, the foreshadowing for the twist, and the fanservice necessary to appeal to a younger audience and sell toys, and Jar Jar is at the center of all three.
Calling it poor storytelling is just closed-minded.
No it's not, it's a rational analysis rooted in hundreds of years of human story/plot development!
Please name me one of those twists that you believe is just as effective. One that received critical praise for revealing a clearly established bumbling fool/sidekick character as an evil genius, and not in a sarcastic or humorous context.
narrill ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:38:16 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
it's a rational analysis rooted in hundreds of years of human story/plot development!
What analysis, and how is it rooted in anything? The only rebuttal you've given so far is that if he were a sith lord he wouldn't have acted so dumb, which isn't very compelling.
You think the theory's evidence is circumstantial. Cool, that sounds reasonable, so explain why you think that way. You think there's a lot of conjecture, point out that conjecture. You think the reveal is an example of bad storytelling? That's great, now tell me why.
You can't just claim to be on the side of common sense, that isn't how this works. Explain yourself.
But if you truely need me to pull together all of the evidence to the contrary, which has alredy been pointed out by many others and is actually very evident in both the universe and in real life, then here we go:
Lets ignore the fact that he uses the word 'establish' which means he needs to pull together evidence that for the past 10 years has not been obviously evident upon watching the film. To establish the characters in the film is to define them to the audience and give them an idea of their motivations and attributes. Apparently this so-called 'very plausible' theory has not been evident to people for the past decade, which is indicative of a very poor use of foreshadowing or proper characterization on the part of Lucas. Lets also ignore the fact that the film clearly establishes jar jar as a non-humanoid, comic relief type figure. Evidence:
*His speech patterns are comical, similar to children who are still trying to learn how to talk
*He steps in shit
*He gets his tongue caught in the pod racer electrical arc
*He loses his shit at the mere sign of danger and is afraid to be in the battle with the rest of the gungans when it starts.
*He angers sebulba, for no apparent reason after accidentally slinging food into his face. There is no reason for this scene to exist beyond painting him as a comic relief character.
Point 1: A twisting two story sommersault proves that he is summoning the force.
In-universe Counterpoint: At no point are we told that the gungans aren't physically capable of this. There is no direct evidence that this is impossible without the force just as there is no direct evidence that it is only possible with the force. there are many aliens in Star Wars. Are we to believe that they are all identical to humans in terms of the ordinary physical feats they can accomplish?
Out of universe Counterpoint: Jar Jar is on over the top character and this was an over the top action which fits him as a lighthearted sidekick. Kids find it fun to watch and it is more interesting than him and the jedi's simply slipping into the water together.
Point 2: Jar Jar's actions in the prequels are more than luck because Obi-wan claims there is no such thing as luck in the original trilogy.
In-universe Counterpoint: Maybe Obi-wan was wrong. Certainly the Jedi are proven to never be all-knowing or infallible, as Sidious pretty much succeeds in manipulating their smartest team, the council and slaughters them all except Yoda because he has to survive until Empire.
Out of universe Counterpoint: Jar Jar's ability to escape death falls right in line with his characterization as a bumbling fool/sidekick. You can't kill him off because that would be too dark for a PG movie aimed at a younger demographic. He is able to perform the feats he can such as killing battle droid while cowering after getting a blaster stuck on his foot for that reason. In a 'realistic' war, people who cower and bumble around get killed, but that would be ludicrously out of place for a lighthearted action sci-fi movie aimed at a super large demographic.
Point 3: Jar-Jar's movements during the battle scene are actually drunken boxing.
There is no simpler way of putting this than saying that it is pure conjecture. The actions look like drunken boxing, so Jar Jar knows more than he's letting on! There's no way to disprove this because it relies entirely on subjective evidence which is not backed up anywhere else in the film. Related to point 2.
Point 4: Jar-Jar leaping off of the balcony uses the force to redirect and/or manipulate the droids to fire at multiple targets.
In-universe counterpoint: the battle droids are established as laughably poor fighters, even worse than stormtroopers and probably worse when it comes to shooting too. You never see many gungans get hit by blasters and die in the final battle between them and the droids, which suggests this. The droid is aiming higher than it needs to because it is a terrible shot. If you actually look at the scene you can see that the droid doesn't even shoot that high. It's just over the head of Qui-gon and pretty much right at his direction. http://gfycat.com/LinearAgreeableArachnid#?speed=0.5 The intent is clearly to fire on the Jedi duo.
out of universe counterpoint: George lucas supports this in the behind he scenes when he says that battle droids don't stand a chance and just get cut down like butter. The CGI animator was tasked with adding in blaster shots all over the place, so he did. It doesn't matter where they go, as long as there are enough to get deflected by the Jedi and fill the frame otherwise.
I think what has happened here, even though we don't see it directly, is that Jar Jar has purposefully split the attention of the enemies by grabbing on to the balcony as he falls, and then (using the force) propelled himself with a pull-up/flip to land in an unexpected place.
Emphasis mine. This is not evidence. It's him conjecturing about something that happens off camera. If you're looking for in-universe evidence to support this point, this isn't it. It's just pure guess work.
Point 5: Jar-Jar is a master of the jedi mind trick because of the hand movements he makes.
These are all common forms of body language in speech which normal people use every day. The first is dismissal, waving the hand at a ridiculous notion like he might become general, or dismissing the opportunity because he does not want to be in the fighting. this fits in universe with his previous characterization as a coward in the underwater bongo scene. The second is an opening of the hands which implies a giving or open attitude. The third is an open arm wave as a gesture to join him and his cause. No jedi is seen using a mind trick on thousands of people at once in the universe so there's no evidence to support that anyone could do it on such a large and diverse body of people.
I'm getting tired of this so I'll move faster:
Examples: Jar Jar tricking the Jedi into traveling through the planet core (so that they need him).
jar Jar doesn't do this, boss nass tells them it's the fastest way. This is just wrong.
Jar Jar carefully causing a scene so that they run into Anakin.
Again, he's a bumbling sidekick, who sticks out in any context and gets involved with everyone around him. Of course he caused a scene in the shop, just like he caused one outside with Sebulba, etc... THIS IS SO STUPID.
Jar Jar constantly mocking Qui-Gon behind his back while Anakin is watching (so that Anakin learns disrespect for Jedi authority early on).\
Where? When does this happen? No citation. And even if it was, JAR JAR IS A SILLY CHILDREN CHARACTER. Of course he would randomly make fun of the Jedi behind their backs because the Jedi were stuffy and boring even to adults!
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The rest of the anlaysis is just a joke because EVERYTHING ABOVE can be disproven through common sense and/or direct evidence.
Jar Jar and the senator are working together becasue they live on the same planet. Why? It is established that the naboo and the gungans do not have a good relationship, so why would they even know each other? It's much more likely that they never were aware of each other's existence until the events of the movie.
Explain to me how Jar-Jar got the princess' shuttle to stop on Tatooine? That was the Jedi's idea, Qui-gon gin I think, because it was out of the way of trade federation forces. Did Jar-Jar redirect the path of the ship using the force so that they would happen to drift close to it and then maybe use it again on Qui-gon just to make sure he would go there? Of course, why not? The rest of the analysis is based in pure speculation anyways so why not just make a few more unsubstantiated leaps while we're at it.
And Naboo is a really strange planet, actually; remember those odd ancient statues [22] with the third eye? Naboo is the kind of place an "outcast" Gungan might find a Sith holocron or two.
What? That's pure and total speculation.
But that's just speculation.
Oh, yeah, Ok at least he admits it.
Let's stick to what we know-- what we know is that even after Palpatine is elected as Chancellor, years after Jar Jar has been "tricked" into helping elect him, Palpatine still hangs out with Jar Jar in RotS. [23] . Why?
Uhm, because Jar Jar is a fool who is easily manipulated. Palpatine doesn't even have to use his powers on him because of how dumb Jar Jar is in the prequels. He's so easily manipulated by those around him it didn't even take the force.
What, "unbelievable!" you might say. You mean, as unbelievable as in the real world where it happens all the time without the force?
Wouldn't he be a constant source of public embarrassment? This is the same character who can't walk five yards without stepping in poodoo or squealing like a rabid donkey, right? What use does he have now? Why is he still at the right hand of the most powerful person in the galaxy?
Yes he would. But he's there as a political appeasement to the Queen, who becomes a senator herself! This is how politics works. In universe Palpatine is thrilled to have Jar Jar in the position because he knows he's a moron and can be used. And he has backing of Amidala because she likes Jar Jar from the good old days, so everyone follows him because they like here and know she places trust in Jar Jar out of sentiment. This literally happens in Politics all the friggin time.
As we all know, one of Lucas' big deals with the prequels was that they were intended to "rhyme" and mirror the original trilogy in terms of general narrative themes.
arguably he failed miserably at that because the prequels are nothing like the original trilogy. This is one of the most derided comments Lucas made from the behind the scenes because it was so painfully obvious that he didn't know what he was talking about.
However, GL chickened out. The fan reaction to Jar Jar was so vitriolic that this aspect of the trilogy was abandoned. Just too risky... if Jar Jar is truly that off-putting, it's potentially ruinous to the Star Wars legacy to imply that he's the ultimate bad guy of the entire saga. So pretend he was just a failed attempt at comic relief instead.
Again, and I cannot stress this enough, OLD GL IS AN KNOWN PANDERER. The Phantom menace was written to sell toys and appeal to both adults AND KIDS, which it did. If this guy is right, than the fact that George lucas bowed to public backlash against Jar Jar and neutered that part of the storyline confirms that he is a weaker director who will do whatever he can to appeal to his audience rather than tell a good story. Which is the reason JAR JAR exists in the first place.
But I believe it is likely that the writers of the new trilogy will resurrect this idea. Most people seem to think that Disney wishes to distance or somehow disassociate itself from the prequels... but this doesn't actually make any economic or marketing sense. There is far more prequel-era based intellectual property to capitalize on than there is OT, if only because of the Clone Wars movie and series. Billions of dollars in iconic toys, images, characters, games, park rides, etc that an entire younger generation grew up on. Disney is not going to pretend that over half of the $4 billion in IP they bought simply isn't worth acknowledging.
The most damning piece of evidence. First Disney has explicitly redefined the Star Wars universe to contain the prequels; far from "ignoring billions of dollars" they have wholeheartedly embraced it. It never went away. But this idea of "Darth Jar-Jar" wasn't resurrected. Because it is a dumb idea. One founded in so many assumptions and conjectures and suppositions that it has no basis in fact, either in the real world or the universe in the films. Is it fun to think about? Sure. And he presented some pretty good sounding points that really mesh together and make you rethink the whole thing.
Until you realize when you really think about it that it isn't true. It never was true. And it will never be true.
One more thing: the theory states that Lucas chickened out after the extremely negative reaction to Jar Jar in a Phantom Menace and invented a new villain instead, Count Dooku. Yet, the author still uses plot points from Attack of the Clones and Revenge of the Sith to support his theory. If Lucas gave up on revealing Jar Jar to be an evil mastermind, why he still gave clues for that? Why did he make "inexplicable" scenes which he's never going to explain?
Wow, awesome post! I appreciate the time you put into arguing against this stupid theory.
narrill ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 01:52:27 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'll admit that a lot of it is conjecture and speculation, so I won't bother responding to most of what you've written because there's no need, but there are a few things that must be addressed:
First, Jar Jar's childish mannerisms and inane antics are not an indication that he's a total idiot. Yoda is just as ridiculous when Luke meets him, and if it weren't for the fact that he was hundreds of years old and confined to a swamp I'm sure we'd have seen him acting just as stupidly. Jar Jar has nothing to fear from anything around him, especially if you also accept the theory that he's darth plagueis. He gives no fucks, and acts like it.
Second, there's no reason for him to stick around for more than a few minutes. No rational person would have taken him as a navigator, and he doesn't do anything to guide the jedi duo anyway, he just sits there acting like an idiot through the whole journey. Not only does he stick around for more than a few minutes, he accompanies the troupe on their entire adventure. You could chalk this up to Lucas wanting a kid-friendly character, but it just straight up doesn't make sense for the characters to be okay with keeping a random idiot gungan around Amidala, and no one, not even her honor guard who've never seen Jar Jar before, question it. Even for bad writing, that's ridiculous.
Third, why are the rest of the gungans deathly afraid of Jar Jar? People literally flee, and the guards single out Jar Jar over the Jedi. That isn't how people react to a bumbling idiot, even one who accidentally caused a catastrophic event.
Fourth, what's going on in the balcony scene? Even if we toss the bit with the droid, how does Jar Jar fall on the right side when we clearly see him on the left? Even if there isn't any point to it, why would the animation team do that? It doesn't make sense.
Finally, Lucas and Ahmed's comments make it clear that the plot was rewritten in a major way in response to the Jar Jar hate, more than just reducing his screen time, and we know that a) the prequels are meant to mirror the OT (which they do, in a vague sort of way), b) Lucas has a thing for seemingly insignificant characters becoming very important and for reveals, and c) the prequels didn't have a reveal like the OT did. From that alone we can surmise that Jar Jar was originally meant to be very important, and that he was an intimate enough part of the reveal that it had to be cut entirely as part of the rewrite. Toss the relevance of his name on top and things become more clear.
I'm not arguing that Jar Jar is a sith lord, just that he was meant to be one at some point. You can pass a lot of what he does off as comic relief, but when things start contradicting the rational behavior of the characters you have to wonder why they are that way, and that's exactly what we have with Jar Jar.
You're just repeating something that has no basis in fact. You assume he is a dark lord to characterize his actions rather than recognizing that he's just a silly character and kind of a moron which completely explains his actions by definition of the stereotype.
Second
You're describing the bad writing and storytelling by GL. You are right, there was no reason for him to be there for more than a few minutes. It happened because a bad decision was made during development and he was made a much larger part of the story than he should have been to make it a better movie.
Third
Because he'd been banished for being clumsy. It's the first line under cannon. I don't know what scene you are specifically talking about where people "flee" from him (assuming returning to the gungan 'capital' or whatever), but people don't want to be associated with someone that has been excommunicated from the group. This goes back thousands of years.
The theory is just blatantly ignoring hard facts now, just like when skadoosh said Jar jar made them go through the planet core when it was boss nass who actually suggested it. Jar jar even tells them they are being "set up" and not to go.
Fourth
Films are made by humans who make mistakes, all the time. It's very likely a shot was conceived or even shot which showed Jar Jar running over to the other side and trying to shimmy down the pipe before he fell but was cut during editing and either no one noticed or cared that he comes down the other side. But that too is conjecture, suffice it to say what you are talking about is a continuity error and they are common in film.
Finally
There's this thing called Occam's razor which states:
Among competing hypotheses, the one with the fewest assumptions should be selected.
It exists for a reason, because the more assumptions that are made, the less truth there is to something. What you and skadoosh are doing is referred to among normal people as "stretching things." You are looking for insignificant or unrelated items and using various conjectures to build relationships between them and come to a false conclusion.
I would be shocked if Lucas was concerned with the etymology of Jar-Jar's name. In fact, it's equally likely that it was chosen simply because it was easy to pronounce. Of course I can't prove that, but neither can the alternate explanation because they are both just guesswork. One is much more simpler than the other though and requires much less stretching.
What we have is what we can see and hear, which tells us that Jar Jar is a standard stereotypical bumbling sidekick that everyone hated and which was minimized in the future moves due in part to that near universal hate.
Seeing as how no rational evidence will change your mind, I'm done with this conversation. If you want to continue being a Jar-Jar truther and by all means go over and join /r/conspiracy if it makes you feel better about the prequel trilogy. It doesn't change the fact that they still kind of suck, due in no small part to George Lucas' unrestrained oversight.
narrill ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:46:29 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yo, you need to pull your head out of your ass and realize that I'm not a "Jar-Jar truther" trying to convince you that GL is some misunderstood genius because some bit character made a funny hand motion. I'm not even trying to convince you that the theory as presented is correct, so stop trying to level your complaints with the intimate details of the theory, specifically that Boss Nass told them to go through the planet's core, at me, they aren't relevant.
In order:
1) Of course I'm assuming he's a dark lord, I'm responding to your argument that if he were a sith lord he wouldn't act the way that he acts. How could I possibly respond to that outside the context of him being a sith lord?
2) I would chalk it up to bad writing if we didn't already know that there were larger plans for Jar Jar. Since we do, we have reason to suspect there's an actual reason he sticks around longer than he should, and his being a force user would totally explain this if it were true.
3) Yes, it's when they enter the gungan capital. People flee, and the guards point spears at him. That just isn't how people react to a bumbling idiot, even one that's been excommunicated. Th rest of the gungans are obviously afraid of him. The wikipedia page you linked states that he was banished for destroying Boss Nass's submarine, which makes the reaction even less rational.
4) This one is reasonable. It's a pretty big mistake for a franchise that large, but still reasonable.
finally) Contrary to what you may believe, more assumptions does not mean less true, or even less likely. Occam's razor is only a guiding principle, and in this case it would fly in the face of actual evidence.
I'm sorry you don't think rational evidence will change my mind, but it certainly will. You just haven't presented enough of it for that.
his being a force user would totally explain this if it were true.
Sure, but so would lots of candidate explanations. Let's entertain another one. Maybe he was intended to be a recurring comic relief character like C-3P0 from the original trilogy, but his extreme unpopularity drove Lucas to cut most of his planned scenes.
Which seems more likely? Option A is that a seemingly ridiculous comic relief character aimed to appeal to children was intended to get up to more of the same kind of silly antics in the next two films. Option B is that a seemingly ridiculous comic relief character aimed to appeal to children was going to perform a heel turn at some point and become a despised villain.
And, mind you, these are only two candidate explanations. The trouble with abductive reasoning is that you can confidently arrive at spurious conclusions through sheer lack of imagination.
People flee, and the guards point spears at him.
You raise an interesting point. So if everyone is willing to openly exhibit terror and hostility, why wouldn't they also be willing to explain Jar Jar's sith nature to the Jedi? Also, why does one of the guards shock Jar Jar unnecessarily with the cattle prod? Doesn't that seem like foolishly courting danger if Jar Jar is a sith?
So like my previous reply, I'll give an alternative. Jar Jar was exiled. We don't know Gungan law. Maybe it is a punishable offense to have any interaction with an exiled citizen. Or maybe his crimes were exaggerated or misrepresented for political or PR reasons. In any case, none of the authorities or people who personally know Jar Jar actually seem at all scared of him.
Contrary to what you may believe, more assumptions does not mean less true, or even less likely.
Yeah, I felt inclined to correct this as well. As you say, Ockham's razor is a guiding principle. That said, unnecessary assumptions do make something less likely to be true, at least for any added assumptions that have less than a 100% chance of being true.
I'll make it more concrete. Let's imagine that you're involved in a car accident. Which of the following hypotheses is more likely to be true? A: The other driver is a human. B: The other driver is a man.
The only difference is that B makes an additional assumption, and the likelihood of accuracy drops by about 50%.
EDIT: And just for fun, and in the spirit of this discussion, how about option C: the other driver is Ahmed Best, the actor who voiced Jar Jar Binks? As you observed with the force user hypothesis, it explains the events, and it even does so just as well as options A and B, but I'm sure you'd agree that it's spectacularly unlikely. This is where abductive reasoning can get you. Just because a candidate explanation can fit the facts doesn't make it likely.
in this case it would fly in the face of actual evidence
Well, I think in pretty much every example that's been quoted for the sith hypothesis, there are more assumptions being made and more inconvenient facts being ignored to rationalize the hypothesis than to reject it in favor of the default explanation provided by the film itself.
Point 1: A twisting two story sommersault proves that he is summoning the force.
In-universe Counterpoint: At no point are we told that the gungans aren't physically capable of this.
This actually bothered me the most when I first read the theory. The Gungans are god damn sentient space frogs! What are frogs known for? Long tongues and um... what's that other thing? Oh right, jumping. Of course he's acrobatic.
You use many tactics that you are trying to point out shouldn't be used.
In fact, just about the first thing you do after defining the word "establish" (for reasons I'm not quite sure of) is use the word "establish".
And in general you are reaching and bending things to support your side.
For the record, I think the Jar Jar theory is very cool but I do not think it is correct. It's crazy how many coincidences there are in the theory, I must say, but if there's one thing I'm sure of, it's that if people look for patterns they are going to find them. Even if they don't really exist.
You're right it is confusing. The hypothesis establishes Jar Jar as a sith lord by pointing out continuity errors, common forms of body language and coincidence within a fictional universe.
I establish Jar Jar as nothing more than a mistake and a bumbling sidekick by relying on long-established storytelling principles and character stereotypes in fiction, real life relationships and interactions, what we can see from the behind the scenes videos from the development of the film, and a decade's worth of consensus critical interpretations of the story, characters, script and acting as all noticeably sub-par, especially in Ep. 1.
The difference in in the quality of the evidence: the first is based on circumstance and speculation, the latter is based on factual evidence of what we can observe, what we know, and what is most likely to be true.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:08:59 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ha. Good stuff. The shot from that battle droid would've gotten Quigon right in the face if he hadn't ducked.
Yes, and one that you really have to ignore a lot of rational/common sense assumptions to really believe.
I'm glad I'm not the only one. Any time I bring this up people try to say it's some infallible secret discovery...
I mean it's cute and all to be sure, but doing things like "requesting JJ alter episodes 7 and onward" is just silly.
AF79 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:49:19 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I kinda like the theory, but in no way does it make me feel that Lucas was infallible - quite the opposite. If you assume that the theory was correct:
Jar-Jar was supposed to be somewhat loveable, which would have made the reveal very powerful. This failed spectacularly, but the plot twist could have still worked and retroactively made Episode 1 better. Unfortunately, George Lucas turned chicken and abandoned his idea. Also not exactly infallible IMO.
2T2T ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:57:07 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No, you're retarded
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:54:37 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Regarding Jar Jar's force-influenced acrobatics and combat, I'd like to point out that Star Wars does these kinds of subtle nods frequently.
VERY SUBTLE AND NON-RUINING SPOILER FOLLOWS FROM FORCE AWAKENS
Like when Han does the no-look blaster shot. I feel that was a nod that even though Han and Leia aren't Jedi, they do have a relationship with the force.
I thought the theory was that he was supposed to be revealed as a Sith Lord but he sucked so much in E1 they audibled and made up Count Dooku. Like if Jar Jar did all the things Dooku did and Dooku never existed, that would have been pretty baller right? But Lucas fucked up the awesome twist.
It's like 99% likely that Jar Jar was supposed to be comic relief and just sucked.
So it would have been Jar Jar who was quickly and inexplicably killed 10 minutes into Episode 3 after being built up as a powerful, legendary sith lord? I can get behind that.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:57:40 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I wouldn't say that you would have to ignore rational/common sense to believe. It really clears things up about why the I, II, and III were so bad. Unless you can offer a better theory.
How about the most widely accepted theory that Lucas did most everything he wanted unchallenged in the prequels and as a result the product was worse because he had a lot of bad ideas as to the writing and direction? This also has the most direct evidence, I.E. the poor writing and direction.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:19:41 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No the ideas were honestly fine in the prequels. Up until fan backlash for Jar Jar. It is just that writing and the rest of the execution was poorly done. That's why IV, V, and VI were good because people went to edit them. Ideas were fine. If you think about how Lucas works Jar Jar wasn't supposed to be the comedic character. That role was already filled by both C3PO and R2D2. The video that explained it really should have answered your question. Jar Jar is supposed to be that unexpected element. There were already heavy parallels at the start but then fan backlash caused Lucas to chicken out thus leading to the poor quality of core elements of the series. There is a lot of evidence, and I am sure if none of us fans said anything negative for any of the movies that we would see a movie with a very interesting plot twist, one greater than the revelation of Vader's fatherhood in episode V. I am not going to argue that the writing would be poor that I cannot argue against.
Eh, I'm with you that it's very unlikely to be created that way intentionally, but in your own example it DOES answer in-universe things like why can he do that jump, while you're breaking the 4th wall and saying writer wrote pandering thing because money.
Again, you're right, but that's not good enough a reason to blow off a good theory that fits. (There are plenty in-universe reasons to choose from)
Your mistake is that you are trying to analyze this from an in-universe perspective and that fails because of external real-world factors (poor writing/direction/character creation/story telling). The original trilogy demonstratively fails at all of these aspects at multiple points throughout the movies.
From my perspective people who actually believe in the jar jar theory are willfully ignoring the near universally accepted hatred towards the bad development of the prequels in the real world, which much more accurately explains the failures of a poorly developed character like jar jar than a bunch of circumstantial evidence and conjecturing.
Thinking about Jar-Jar, I always felt he wasn't always meant to be what he is in episode 1.
For example, the Gunguns look almost terrified when he returns to the city. Almost like he's done evil mastermind, but clearly he isn't. So why are they so scared of him?
Because he tripped and fell in to Boss Nas? Doesn't add up to me.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:35:34 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The most elaborate, and by far the most stupid. I love the Darth Binks theory, it gives that mutant rabbit a reason for it's existence outside of George Lucas' skewed vision of what will hold a child's attention.
NFLinPDX ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 20:14:23 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You know Lucas was right, though? You ask children who watched episode 1 what their favorite character is and Jar Jar is an overwhelming majority.
Kids love him. It's just bitter, aging geeks who hate him.
Just think back to the kids who saw the original trilogy.
There was a character in those movies that kids loved, he also had silly ears and a specific yet easily imitated diction that kids would constantly use when playing or teasing each other, think hard - you'll remember.
Maybe adults of the era were just less cynical and full of shit so they joined in the fun, maybe they also cringed and got annoyed.
My vote goes for the former. I guess it was a simpler time.
7spooky ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 22:11:00 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Darth darth binks*
FTFY
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 00:54:38 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I too love it for the same reasons. It would have been a good twist to an otherwise predictable and childish plot.
Usually by twisting the bad filmmaking into Jar-Jar using Dark Side powers off screen, or under the radar. That post was really well researched too, so that helped a lot.
Things like his speech to the assembled congress involve a lot of hand waving, ie Jedi Mind Trick on the entire congress. Since it's hard to believe anyone in congress would take him seriously.
Or scenes with extremely bad framing, and Jar-Jar near instantly moves (just off screen) from the left side of the frame to the right. ie force leap. Coincidentally, one of the droids in the scene shoots and tracks Jar Jar's presumed force leap.
The_Yar ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:09:23 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, an elaborate, stupid one. It's all fun until too many circle-jerkers start swearing that it must be true and now the prequels are great because of it.
It's hard to believe some people are so desperate to find a saving grace in those films they would construct an elaborate conspiracy theory and...wait, no, no, it's not surprising. It's just sad.
The_Yar ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:46:35 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'll never forget the elaborate lengths fans went to in order to argue that The Matrix Reloaded was actually great (or "the greatest movie ever" in some cases).
it actually isnt. Theres a shit ton of evidence relating to it. Hell, the actor actually posted on twitter "it feels good when the hidden meaning behind your work is finally discovered" hours, maybe days after the thread
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:36:46 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
How? Have you actually read it? Whether you agree with it or not, it's not "pants on head retarded".
The actor 0laying Jim said he was a critical character for the prequels. Then the backlash for the character removed from Ep 2 and 3 and replaced with count Dukuo
nater255 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:33:19 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I just watched the 4-6 and agree that C3PO was a useless whiny bitch, but it didn't detract from the feel of the whole world they created. Then I tried to watch 1-3 and bailed maybe half an hour into 1 because Jar Jar was worse than I remembered and made the whole fucking thing seem embarrassing for an adult to be watching.
[deleted] ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 20:19:06 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
With all the effort around that release, I was wondering if there was an exception for it.
cosmo7 ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 23:06:49 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
C3PO says he's a protocol droid, but really he's a plot exposition droid. Want to tell the audience that something is dangerous? Have C3PO say what the odds are.
[deleted] ยท 23 points ยท Posted at 23:25:58 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I liked that, though. They could have retconned him into being heroic or at least tolerable, but they didn't. Decades later, he's still a useless idiot. True to the source material.
I dunno why everyone is bitching about 3PO in TFA... I mean R2 was asleep the whole fucking time except when he conjures up a map of the rest of the Galaxy... BB-8 was a legend though.
I'm not bitching about him. I'm calling him a bitch. He's a great character, genuinely funny, and just... weird. But he's a bitch. That's not a bad thing, unless you're Han Solo and he's cockblocking you.
I just found out about that a few days ago. I am friends with several of the writers for the Star Wars RPG (yes, I live in Seattle), and texted one of the dudes who read the movie scripts before the movies were made. His response? "That theory is crazy bullshit."
I hate that fan-theory because people act like it's different from the barrels of fan-theories that exist for all other kinds of movies/shows/video games.
It is just as susceptible to any form of thinking about it as any other, but because TFA came out recently and because it's Jar Jar, people act like it's some secret discovery that's remained hidden for over a decade.
I actually hate "Darth Jar-Jar" more than Jar-Jar at this point.
The thing for me though is I think I will always dislike Jar-Jar unless it is actually confirmed that he is a Sith lord (Maybe even if they at least say that he originally was supposed to be a Sith lord or someone with ill intentions putting on an act). As it stands now we just have an annoying attempt at a mascot character.
I really want it to be true though. Even if he wasn't meant to be a Sith lord, I think they have enough fan support and subtle character development (like all the evidence of his fighting moves, helping Palpatine, and bringing Anakin closer to the Dark side)
Yep! wonder how common this is. my grandparents think it's creepy, as do anyone who doesn't know who Navi is
12Gage ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 08:43:03 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I know Navi might have been annoying back in the day playing the game, but having it as text tone always startles me and brings me a feeling of nostalgia. That loud high pitched "HEY!" always makes me check my texts.
Yeah but that's a different kind of hate, she's an amazingly insidious character
[deleted] ยท 1642 points ยท Posted at 18:53:52 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You love to hate her; you just hate jar jar's character for even being created
[deleted] ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 02:06:53 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Umbridge's presence in the Harry Potter Story makes the Harry Potter story significantly better. Jar Jar's presence in Star Wars makes Star Wars worse.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:55:07 on January 4, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Stephen King said that Professor Umbridge "is the greatest make-believe villain to come along since Hannibal Lecter"
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:55:21 on January 4, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Definitely
Peleaon ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 23:38:57 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Why do people hate jar jar? I thought he was cute
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:56:23 on January 4, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I like him, but I thought that he was annoying, also he caused the war (look it up)
h00ter7 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 21:39:45 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I remember when the movie came out that some vocal group in the black community was literally offended by Jar-Jar's existence. They said that since his voice actor was black, JJ was a racist caricature.
To be fair, it's not just that the voice actor is black, it is that he speaks with a stereotyped "slave" voice e.g Meesa/Yousa. I don't really get the problem though, it's not like Jar Jar as a character really had any parallels with the real world so the voice on its own is just a voice.
It's not just the voice though. A large amount of Jar Jar's representation is extremely similar to the sambo representation. If you watch any old racist film the 2 are strikingly similar. But like I said in my other post I just see it as accidental. Nothing done on purpose
I can understand that though. Like /u/pondlife78 said he talks with a stereotypical "sambo" voice that was often used to depict slaves. Matter of fact a large amount of Jar Jar's character draws parallels with the sambo representation. His jaunty walk, how clumsy he is, happy go lucky etc. If you watch old racist films it's crazy how similar they are.
Not saying it was done on purpose. But I can definitely see it. It's not like these other people who just shout "RACIST!" at shit that isn't even remotely offensive. I just see it as accidental.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:57:22 on January 4, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Never heard that but it is believable
Fiocoh ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 21:32:43 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
JJust wait until JJ makes the big reveal that Snoke is Plagueis and JJar JJar was his tool. It's already canon that Snoke was working behind the scenes in the previous trilogies and has a deep interest in the Skywalker family line. JJust you wait.
Berlinia ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 21:26:44 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Idk man reading that sith theory made me think differently
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:57:43 on January 4, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Theory, it's true man
Berlinia ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:57:29 on January 4, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
There was a tweet from the guyvthat voiced him that kind of made it sound plausibke
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:01:43 on January 4, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I actually hate her more than Voldemort. I can't identify with Voldemort and he doesn't seem at all plausible. But we have millions of real world Umbridges.
cjojojo ยท 85 points ยท Posted at 23:27:53 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If you're into the Game of Thrones books, you have probably seen the oft-repeated comment about how certain scenes make you throw your book across the room in anger.
Dolores Umbridge is the only character outside of that series who has also made me literally throw a book I was reading. That scene with the magic pen was just awful. Well fucking done, J. K. Rowling.
I think Ralph Fiennes portrayal of Voldemort was one of the few improvements the movies made over the books. He made the character interesting and legitimately scary, instead of the vaguely evil, flat, generic-dark-wizard from the books.
But yeah, Umbridge is the real terror of the HP universe.
GunNNife ยท 46 points ยท Posted at 01:37:07 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's interesting how Umbridge makes flawless transition from a Ministry of Magic hatchet woman to a Voldemort Inquisitor. Like, she gives negative infinity fucks who she is working for or what their purpose is; she only wants power and to inflict pain.
Its because its not us vs them. People all have their own motivations and incentives to explain their actions. They have sets of scruples and goals they are working towards which are either known or unknown to the reader that guide them. In good literature there is more than one or two kinds. Umbridge was not a death eater neither "not a death eater" she felt so self important her goals were above all that shit which was right in front of everyone elses face. This was especially shocking to us and Harry because we're ass deep in death eaters.
GunNNife ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:36:30 on January 4, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Another example of characters whose goals were more complicated...how about the Malfoys? They end up turning on Voldemort, but not because they suddenly discovered an innate desire to do good. Lucius had expected to be an important advisor to Voldemort, possibly even be his second-in-command, but instead got dumped on by no-nose; his wife didn't want their son to die; Draco wasn't sure he wanted to murder people. It was all more complicated than "Death Eater/non Death Eater."
Oh man, Ralph Fiennes as Voldemort is still one of my favorite cinematic villians. He's so unrepentantly evil but also so much fun to watch and charismatic. The fight at the end of 5 and his awakening during Goblet were two of my favorite scenes in the series.
dossier ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:04:07 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's easy for him to be "flat" and evil when he was only in like 2 scenes in the first 3 books. And one scene was just a memory of him horcrux'd into a diary.
Voldemort is totally plausible. You just have never felt real all consuming hate in your life and tried to create a narrative to focus your negativity into.
[deleted] ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 23:33:01 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He doesn't seem at all plausible? Dozens of genocidal dictators would like to have a word with you.
Umbridge = Hermann Goering Gorring (probably misspelled)
As long as she gets to hurt someone, she's happy.
She's a sadist, but worse, she's a sadist who doesn't know it. She's one of the few characters for whom her thinking she's a good person, and her belief that she really is doing the right thing, only serves to make her that much worse.
kiwirish ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 02:03:16 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Goering is correct as far as general English transliteration is accepted.
In German it is Gรถring, and it is accepted to add an 'e' after umlauts.
If you can say what Hitler did was because he wanted the 'greater good' for his people ('blonde haired blue eyed' Germans), then you can easily insinuate that Voldemort did what he did because he wanted the 'greater good' for his people, pure-blooded wizards like Malfoy and the rest of Slytherin (and even wizards like Harry/his father, who probably represent Great Britain; Anglo-Saxons yet against Germany).
He wanted to take over the world with himself as emperor, you think thats a far fetched plot point that'd never happen in real life? The quest for power is an unrealistic plot point? Have you heard about guys like Alexander the Great and Genghis Khan who literally only lived to conquer whatever they saw?
Voldemort's sole redeeming quality is that he's a magical prodigy. That's it. In every other way, he's evil, and his evilness makes him use his magical prodigiousness for evil. Nobody is 100% evil. Also, that whole "trying to split my soul to become essentially immortal" is pretty unrealistic.
ScLi432 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:47:35 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think what he means is relevant to the experience of the average person. We hate Umbridge more than Voldemort because we all have at some point known an "Umbridge", where very few people that have read/watched Harry Potter have experienced the evils of a genocidal dictator first hand.
Voldemort is the larger-than-life, ultimate evil character the likes of which you have never encountered & can't realistically imagine having to actually deal with in real life. Umbridge is the power-hungry authority-abusing teacher/supervisor/boss we've all had at one time or another but cranked up to 11, we can relate to Harry having to put up with that sort of maliciousness & can easily extrapolate our own experiences to the level described in the book, which makes it so much more real and consequently so much more emotional.
I think Roose Bolton is a good candidate. Ramsay is just a psycho true evil guy like Voldemort but Roose is cautious and pragmatic, which makes him more real and more easy to hate like Umbridge. The whole reason we hate her is we know there are people like that out there.
[deleted] ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 00:34:10 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Nah, she's literally the opposite.
She loathed other magical races (e.g. calling them "filthy half-breeds" and "creatures of near-human intelligence"), introduced discriminatory legislation making it near-impossible for werewolves to find jobs, and put Hagrid on probation after her inspection for no reason other than him being half-giant.
And that's nothing compared to what she got up to in the last book, actively rounding up and persecuting muggleborns for Voldemort. She wasn't a "social justice warrior", she was a pureblood-supremacist and a fascist.
I think she rolled up all of her most evil teachers from her past, then added some more cartoonishly-evil characteristics to make Professor Umbridge.
I've had teachers and Professors in the past that had traits of Umbridge, but I think I would've ran screaming if any were exactly like her.
blaghart ยท 101 points ยท Posted at 20:30:39 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't think she even needed to do that. Umbridge is what everyone hates in their authority figures: absolute narcissistic authority that insists it's trying to help bobby even as it's fucking bobby's girlfriend on top of his rotting corpse.
[deleted] ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 22:53:49 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What I think makes Umbridge so untolerable is the fact that she stands above her proportionate role as a teacher - she even takes control of the school (and the law?) at one point, setting herself apart from the rest of the world which follows the 'rules'. Had this character been a part of the real world, she'd have been fired/arrested within a day or two of her nonsense. What grinds our teeth here is that she manipulates the system while being such a c*nt...
learath ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:16:35 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Why do we keep electing them if we "hate" them?
dan986 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 05:25:05 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Because that's the type of person that wants to run for office.
blaghart ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 04:45:08 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
because people are dumb and will elect people they hate as long as it means the other guy who they've heard eats babies/is gay/wants to bring aid to the poor doesn't win
Umbridge is certainly the most detestable character from Harry Potter, but I don't think she is the most universally hated character of any franchise, that award goes to Joffrey Baratheon.
Good point. I think people tend to hate Umbridge more than any other villain in Harry Potter because she acts like people that you would possibly know in real life. A asshole teacher, stepmother, etc. Her shitty behavior is rather relatable which in turn, makes me hate her more than all the other unrealistic enemies that Harry faces.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:20:17 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The reason people hate Umbridge more is because she's essentially a racist who thinks her views are "correct". People like her actually exist.
On the one hand, you have someone who is willing to go to extreme lengths, including murder, to achieve an escape from his own death. While his methods may be deplorable, his goal is something very base and primal to us as a people, a fear of death. He knows he's an evil bastard, but he doesn't want to die.
On the other hand, you have a woman who tortures children, is willing to dangerously subvert necessary education because of a supposed conspiracy, openly flaunts authority and proceeds to abuse political ties to gain further authority when any challenge is presented, and delights in the suffering of all around her. All while feeling as though she's a crusader for truth and justice. She's an evil bitch who is unaware of this fact, while believing that torturing children is for their own good.
One of these 2 things, Tom Riddle is the more sympathetic, relatable character.
Seems over the top design though. Doesn't Dolores mean pain in some other language? And Umbridge is just painful to say.
It's like making one character a Hitler lookalike (see Gundam Iron Blooded Orphans), you just know your supposed to hate him and you lose potential storytelling because of it.
The issue is that I hated her more than Voldemort. Voldemort was actually a very flat character. His only real motivation was "I'm evil for the sake of being evil." Umbridge, on the other hand, was evil because she enjoyed inflicting pain. She actively relished it, and found a job which gave her access to hundreds of potential victims to torture. And that's the key difference: Voldemort would just outright kill you, but Umbridge would torture you to the point that you gave up resisting.
I'm so glad her comeuppance is delivered in the form of rape by centaurs
Zediac ยท 536 points ยท Posted at 18:24:18 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Same here. That character in the movie is a damn near copy of my ex's mother. She was a controlling, two faced, illogical bitch who did her best to put on the face of a good 50s housewife while being evil as fuck.
The best part about the ex leaving me is that I'm no longer obliged to put up with her psychotic mother anymore.
My girlfriend's mom is very similar. I cant stand her. Blames every one for any thing, she is never in the wrong, cusses and every one and she cant belive how majority of "friends" ignors her. Oh and she constantly mentions parnetes ex. For ten years, every day at least once. Dont know why he wont leave her
I saw an older lady cosplaying Umbridge at Oz Comic Con in Adelaide and I had that visceral "oh my god I hate you" reaction as soon as I saw her, even though it wasn't the actress (well duh). She nailed the mannerisms and the everything and it was just way too much!
It was at OCC 2014 :) is this her? (I was Daria). I actually greatly admired her cosplay and said so but the reaction I had when I saw her as Umbridge was pure hatred.
Exit from Hogwarts. I'm talking about when they interrupt O.W.L.s with a giant fireworks display, leave a swamp filling a corridor and fly off on broomsticks after embarrassing the hell out of Umbridge.
Then they begin running their highly profitable joke shop.
Man... I just got the movie set for Christmas and was excited to watch them sometime soon. This just deflated my excitement. I forgot how horrible she was. :(
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:43:23 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They chose the perfect actress for that part.
She was wonderfully evil in that role. Unfortunately, every other movie I see her in, I now feel bitter and angry at her. Sorry, Ms. Staunton.
Order of the Phoenix is the Phantom Menace of the Harry Potter series.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:54:31 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Honestly, I'm one of the (apparently few) people who likes Order of the Phoenix best, and it's because we're introduced to Umbridge in that book. I absolutely love the way Rowling details everyone's reactions to her and the havoc she wreaks on the school.
One of my favorite parts in the book is Umbridge trying to waggle her ministry of magic sahped dick around in McGonagall's class and McGonagall just straight up shutting her down.
"I was wondering, professor, whether you received my note telling you of the date and time of your inspection?"
"No shit, bitch. Otherwise, I'd be asking you what the fuck you were doing in my classroom. Now as I was saying, we will be practicing the Vanishing Spell today that you can use on other people's throats so that I won't have to be interrupted by bitches coughing anymore."
I may have mis-remembered that quote.
[deleted] ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 06:30:42 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I could watch a full movie version of this. Tarantino Hogwarts?
[deleted] ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 22:17:52 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't remember the bitch being said
[deleted] ยท 26 points ยท Posted at 00:00:55 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I remember exactly one occurrence of that word in that series.
I'm fairly certain as well, plus or minus a word. I have a great memory for things that aren't too much help.
"Obviously I received it or I would be asking you why you are in my classroom. [something about the spell they're supposed to be practicing]"
"Hem hem."
"I wonder how you expect to get an idea of my usual teaching methods if you continue to interrupt me? I do not permit people to talk when I am talking in my classroom." (again +/- a few words)
Rowling studied Classics in university and put a ton of references to Greek and Roman myths into the books. I think it's likely that she considered the rapey-ness of centaurs when writing a scene where a woman gets carried of by a group of centaurs.
joecb91 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 07:45:23 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not necessarily. In the hospital wing afterwards, she had twigs and leaves in her hair. Meaning she was on the ground. There's quite a few more little tid bits that indicate she may have been raped.
[deleted] ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 06:08:32 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
It won't ever be explicitly confirmed but it was definitely implied. It's literally what centaurs did in myths and that scene was way too in line with that to be a coincidence (as well as "Umbridge was seemingly traumatized but never said what happened"). J.K. Rowling was clearly too familiar with classic fantasy myths to not know about that. She probably put it in there knowing most people won't get the implication, only people educated in classics.
[deleted] ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 01:39:44 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They say that no one deserves to be raped. Umbridge exists to prove otherwise.
She's amazingly despicable. I love the one part in the book where she goes to investigate Snape and Harry can't decide which one he wants to triumph over the other, because he hates them both so much.
She's a great villain because she's fun and easy to hate. Nothing redeeming about her, just Grade A solid evil bitch. That is a mark of a very good villain (although I do love the sympathetic villains as well).
OP didn't qualify the question with something like a universally hated character that you weren't supposed to hate. Just universally hated so it counts.
I've never understood the motivation for this character. Her entire purpose in life seems to be compound the problems Harry is already having at the time. It's never justified or given context, she just appears one year, and because she works for the Ministry, she's the devil.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 23:48:24 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
She's supposed to be undermining dumbledore, and pushing the ministries agenda onto the next generation of wizards.
sc1003 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:37:36 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Imelda Staunton (the actress who played her) is basically ruined to me. She is in the movie Maleficient and I wanted to punch her as soon as I saw her on-screen because she did way too good of a job as Umbridge. Ugh, I despised her
jorgomli ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:46:03 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
YES. It's hard for me to watch any movie she is in because of her playing Umbridge.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 06:57:55 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Have you seen Vera Drake? She's so darn sweet in it that I find it to be the perfect Umbridge antidote. I need to watch that movie again.
I still recall the sinking feeling in my stomach when reading DH and Mundungus says that "looked like a toad" line. I stopped reading for a few minutes as I came to terms with having to deal with her again.
I see fanfiction justifying the actions of the Death Eaters (they are just trying to preserve white superiority Wizard culture!), the werewolves (oh I would just love to be mauled to death bitten and become wild), and even Voldemort (he isn't really a genocidial maniac, he just needs my love!), but I have NEVER seen any time when Umbridge has ever been shown to be a good character.
I have seen everyone from Ron to Dumbledore be shown to be all but literally Satan, I have seen stories where Harry gets twelve wives because he secretly has the powers of fairies/elves/vampire/giant penis/Jesus, I have even seen a story where a grown up Ginny goes back in time to her 12 year old body and accidentally causes some completely random muggle born to gain super powers and summon Raven from Teen Titans by complete accident. Yet I have NEVER seen ANYONE show Umbridge as a good character.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:34:33 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
....as I child she made me realize that I was probably capable of murder under certain circumstances. She also made me question authority and want to fight against people like her.
Never mind the episode where he finds out his girlfriend is a shapeshifter, and instead of doing what any teenage guy would do and being all over the idea, he's pissed off...
... Dude. Did you mean Whoopi? Oprah wasn't on that show.
JimHadar ยท 137 points ยท Posted at 20:28:20 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
By the time a pubescent boy was finished with the Holodeck he's probably fucked every model who ever lived. Shapeshifters are nothing compared to that.
gerusz ยท 66 points ยท Posted at 21:20:38 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Holodecks are a scarce resource, hence holodeck time is likely limited. I would still take a shapeshifting GF over the holodeck anytime.
gerusz ยท 33 points ยท Posted at 22:05:22 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
8 hours per person per month is not "a lot". And while this time can obviously be pooled for multiplayer simulations, the simulation we're describing... isn't.
[deleted] ยท 26 points ยท Posted at 23:07:10 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You can obviously be in different rooms so just find some like minded people and make a holobrothel.
Would be very awkward if the power went out though.
I'm not sure that I'd want to use the holodeck after Wesley's "time" in there. I imagine that the holodeck being switched off in that case would be accompanied by too many "splats" for my liking.
I seem to recall that organic matter (eg replicated food made in the simulation) was recycled back into the system. So any excess 'organic matter' Wesley left around would also get recycled back into the replicator.
Think on that next time Picard is drinking his Earl Grey, hot.
What was up with that, anyway? The whole point of Odo's appearance was that he failed to copy his mentor's appearance and that form became a novelty. Then they just make all the shapeshifters look like Odo.
Chaldera ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:35:00 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My guess was that the Founders were trying to make Odo more at ease with his people.
I've only watched a handful of episodes of Star Trek, so I'm kind of confused about the holodeck. Are things in it real while they appear in there, or is it just a holographic simulation? If it's just a hologram, what happens when you have sex with a hologram? Does your semen just splooge onto the floor since there's nothing there? Wouldn't the entire holodeck just be coated in loads if that's the case?
JimHadar ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:13:06 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They're not really consistent with the holodeck on the shows. Sometimes they have to turn up dressed in whatever costume and equipment they need, other times the holodeck can create guns and stuff but not clothes, other times it can do everything.
TO answer your question tho, when they turn the holodeck off it always returns to a clean black grid so I assume it cleans up for you!
Season 1 wasn't good at all and season 2 barely makes the grade for good TV. It's in Season 3 that the show started to become excellent and by then Yar had been long gone and Wesley was starting to be used less frequently. If I ever decide to start watching the show again, I usually skip season one completely.
SG_Dave ยท 33 points ยท Posted at 20:06:01 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Is season three where Riker grows his goatee? I know that the quality of TNG is directly proportional to the majesty of his facial hair.
I believe season 2 episode 1 'The Child' was the first appearance of the beard. However season 2 also replaced Beverly Crusher with Katherine Pulaski which didn't go down well with fans until season 3 when Beverly Crusher was brought back.
Watch the documentary Chaos on the Bridge. Its on Netflix and is about all the production problems TNG experienced before and during its early two seasons. Its interesting, especially since the poor seasons were due mostly to Gene Roddenberry's ideas on what the series should be.
God I mean no conflict at all between characters? That just made for mary sues everywhere and boring ass tv. Conflict is within our very anature and it makes for great tv.
I thought season 1 was kinda fun simply because they were trying to stay faithful to TOS in a number of ways (before they realized how dumb that was), like pacing and music and all that. Just enjoy how corny it is.
0_o ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:13:12 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Season 2 was my favorite :(
chisleu ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:26:43 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I loved that show in my childhood, but when I went back to try to watch it, season 1 killed it for me. I couldn't keep watching because season 1 was so bad.
TwoHands ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 20:16:17 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
that's because it straight up WAS an anti-drug PSA.
A lot of TNG was basically a series of morality plays. And for the most part, they were good. The drawback is that sometimes they had to be a little hamfisted with their lesson explanation.
Oh yeah, and Liutenanant-rapegang-Yar. Every time they mention it because they want to remind people that she's an amazing person who recovered from a fucked-up childhood and is doing all these wonderful selfless things.
DrSmoke ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:52:06 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
that's because it straight up WAS an anti-drug PSA.
Has nothing to do with TNG though. the US government pays TV shows to do episodes like that.
0_o ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 20:12:38 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
I prefer naive Wesley Crusher over the narcissistic "let's go live with the Indians" Wesley.
God damn, was watching TNG where they find out this cure for a disease everyone on a planet got and "the cure" was actually a narcotic.
Wesley asks Yar, "Why would someone want to change the way they feel" like you used to hear in those anti-drug PSAs your health teacher would show you.
And so began the 2 minute Lt. Yar monologue on why drugs are bad.
I dunno, I have to give them credit on acknowledging that people take drugs because they actually enjoy the effects. In basically everything else I ever heard about drugs when I was a kid, the attitude was always "drugs are bad, full stop, and the only reason people take them is because they're stupid or they were bullied into it or something".
rockidol ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 19:25:53 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
"Why would someone want to change the way they feel"
That is the stupidest question I have ever heard.
Yeah why wouldn't you want to be in a better mood? Have you seriously not heard about depression, boredom, anger, anything? How about music? You've never put on good music to change the way you're feeling, you never rocked out, or relaxed to some cool jazz or anything? WTF!
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 22:27:54 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well, social anxiety is an extremely strange concept to people at Starfleet (to the point that even Captain Picard makes fun of the socially anxious guy, and the whole bridge crew laugh at him), so it wouldn't surprise me if this was a strange concept for a kid at the time.
rockidol ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:31:40 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I still don't buy it. He's human right (I'm honestly asking because I don't know star trek tng).
Well even as a baby he must've done stuff to amuse himself. Sought some form of pleasure when he was bored. Maybe he got upset at one point because his mom wouldn't give him ice cream or something, so he vented his anger at a pillow or did something else to take his mind off it.
This just seems like something a robot would ask.
DrSmoke ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:54:25 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You don't get it because you dont' know Star Trek. Its the year 2300-something, mankind is at peace, money is gone, people work for fun, war is over, almost all disease is gone, etc...
People wouldn't be depressed anymore, that is cured.
It's also weirdly lacking in any real humanity. No part of the ship has been properly personalised, crew quarters look like nobody lives there, desire is something to be feared.
Roddenberry had some strange issues going on.
DrSmoke ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:52:29 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Its the Federation dude. Drug abuse would be gone by 2300s
Have you seriously not heard about depression, boredom, anger, anything?
Have you not seen Star Trek? Most of that is gone, everyone is happy.
as208 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:36:45 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Drugs are bad PSA aside, I admired that episode for how it differed from the original series. Had the TOS Enterprise encountered these people, McCoy would have just cured their addiction without asking for permission in the first 10 minutes. Spock would have complained about the Prime Directive, and Kirk would have told him to shut up.
And that's when I remembered TNG was on TV during the Reagan era.
God damn. That piece of information just blew my mind. This show is a 90's staple for me. Can't believe it was Reagan era.
DrSmoke ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:50:45 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Wesley asks Yar, "Why would someone want to change the way they feel" like you used to hear in those anti-drug PSAs your health teacher would show you.
That was appropriate though. Drug Use would be extinct in The Federation.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:14:22 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Except it wasn't. Every single series has depicted alcohol as still being widely available and very much used for recreational effects. It's also occasionally been suggested that other narcotics were around too.
Wesley annoyed me, but I hated Yar. Especially since her goodbye had all these super planned out, character-specific goodbyes who also happened to be the only people present.
Nacksche ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:18:44 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
So? That's a legitimate question and one reason why some people don't even like alcohol, let alone hard drugs. TNG did this with a lot of moral issues. I always found those episodes most interesting, 24th century post-war, post-scarcity society vs. ours.
I literally just watched that episode for the first time three hours ago. I've never run into one of those awkwardly shoehorned in anti-drug things so it took me a second of wondering why his dialogue was suddenly worse than usual to realize what what was going on.
Megmca ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:24:55 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Why would someone want to change the way they feel
Because I'm an adult damn it. And I had a really long day solving problems for an endless line of cunts without so much as a thank you and GIVE ME SOME GODDAMN DRUGS!
nullhypo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:55:33 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
There's one episode where Wesley falls in love with a shape shifter and LeVar Burton has to explain the birds and the bees to him. But the kid was like 16 already and he was acting like it was his first boner. It was terrible.
BiggerJ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:22:46 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'd be surprised and, frankly, impressed if no nerd has ever punched a Star Trek writer.
You ate forgetting that Wesley makes himself insufferable in episode 1, where he takes command of the enterprise and his first act it double dessert rations or something insufferably childish.
"Why would someone want to change the way they feel"
The problem with marijuana is that it changes how people think (in addition to how they feel). Conversing with a stoned person is really, really boring. Their capacity for logic is severely diminished. Get back to me when you have full command of your faculties.
DrSmoke ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:55:02 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Conversing with a stoned person is really, really boring. Their capacity for logic is severely diminished
Bullshit, you don't know what the fuck you're talking about.
Conversing with a stoned person is really, really boring.
I have spoken to smart people who were and were not stoned. They were much less interesting when stoned.
trex707 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:53:37 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The guy you are responding to is a neckbeard virgin who has never smoked weed before. Hes a total jackass who is talking down to everyone in this thread. Let him be an ignorant douche. He thinks he is some enlightened intellectual because he has never done a drug before. He said hes never been on a date in his life, so he probably has low self-esteem. It would explain why he is talking down to everyone in this thread with his thesaurus. His issue is with weed smokers and the chads getting rejected by m'lady. Hes talking shit about people who get rejected by a girl who friendzoned him and hes never even been on a date before. The dude is almost fascinating in a way. How do these people on Reddit still exist?
Get back to me when you have full command of your faculties.
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DrSmoke ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 00:55:17 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
your issue with wesley crusher was his momentary involvement in an undecorated statement about drug use as told from fictional people 300 years from now?
ajh6288 ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 17:38:27 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Fuckin Wesley....
Hobbs54 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:54:25 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I always wondered if I felt that way because Wesley was my age when TNG was on the air.
Rewatched it years later and still felt that Beverly Crusher was a bit of a bitch. Seems like she used the fact that her kid was a genius as an excuse to stop being a mom when he was like 10. She treated him more like an annoying roommate that was getting in the way of her boning the captain.
And the only reason they brought Pulasky in was because Gates McFadden (Dr. Crusher) stood up to the writers and advocated strongly for her vision for her character which grinded some gears and she was fired after the first season. With fan support she was brought back for season three and the writers that didn't like her were let go.
I'm shocked a fan turnout for Dr. Crusher could have been big enough to get a decision like that undone.
I thought Pulaski was fine, she fulfilled the ignorant older woman role fine. Her relationship with Data developed through action very well (and not expository dialog), particularly compared to the rest of Trek character arcs.
Chaldera ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 12:37:40 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Pulaski was like McCoy, but she didn't crack as many jokes as him and never got as close to her captain. Plus, with Data not being able to crack jokes and insults back at her like Spock did, it just seems more like bullying and dickishness on her part.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:33:29 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Don't underestimate the power of being a redhead in those times.
I really enjoyed Pulaski. TNG benefitted from having a character who isn't perfect, and had different viewpoints (like treating Data no differently than how everyone treats the main computer).
I think Pulaski would have been more popular if she had been there from the beginning of the series. Her becoming acclimated to Data could have been an interesting character growth arc, and I bet a lot of people weren't entirely comfortable with the idea of a mechanical human when TNG first aired.
I read somewhere that she was sort of intended to be a Bones to Data's Spock, but the execution of the role obviously couldn't replicate that kind of relationship. I mean Bones was kinda mystified by Spock and exasperated a lot, but she just seemed mean to Data. I think some curiosity under her hardcore skepticism would've helped.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 06:01:33 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Totally agree. I didn't hate Pulaski but I just liked Dr. Crusher more. Gates McFadden had better chemistry with the cast, her character still had that skeptical / counterpoint aspect without being cantankerous.
Maybe it was the writing and the intent to pigeonhole Pulaski into that "Bones' role that was a mistake. I wonder if she had been written differently if things would have worked out better for the character. It seems that, unlike Bones, her character served more as a point of friction for the rest of the crew rather than as a moral sounding board.
And on the other end of the spectrum, I would have liked to see more of Ensign Gomez being polite to the replicators.
Chaldera ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:39:51 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well, excluding the fact that she was the triple-breasted hooker in Total Recall, in the books she becomes this famous starship captain or something. From what little I remember, she's kickass in them too
[deleted] ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 21:03:34 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
She had some weird grudge against Data too which was never explained. Total cunt
It was because they were trying to recapture the Spock/McCoy dynamic with Data & Pulaski. But whereas Spock & McCoy would banter back & forth, Data doesn't really have it in him to insult a fellow crewmember so the banter was basically Pulaski continually insulting and belittling Data. Unsurprisingly she came off as a bully.
No grudge, she just saw him as a piece of technology that speaks. Like the main computer but with a body. It didn't occur to her to treat him as a person instead of a tool.
sandm000 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 22:20:36 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Nope. Pulaski was an insufferable sanctimonious cunt. I wept when Beverly came back.
nater255 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:39:35 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Somewhere there's this blog of the enterprise maintenance tech and he talks about her like coming by and trying to go cougar on him. Wish I could find it.
5171 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:54:19 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well, that's impossible to imagine anyway, being that the hypothetical course of events that led Wesley to his job as the Helmsman and eventual promotion to officership would never have occurred in more realistic circumstances. If any sort of of realism at all were applied to the Enterprise, Wesley (and his mother, by proxy) would have been kicked off the ship a number of times because of his idiotic antics before the Senior Officers began to warm to him. Picard, as CO of the flagship of Starfleet (an organization that is almost a tit-for-tat imitation of the US Navy), would have an awfully big responsibility to explain and assign blame to anyone on his ship after all of the incidents that occurred on board, many of which involved Wesley or were a direct product of his irresponsibility or immaturity. The saving grace of him saving the day and getting the ship out of the jams he created would be irrelevant, and if he wasn't removed from the ship after the first couple, he definitely would be gone before his promotion to Acting Ensign (an imaginary rank on Vessels underway.) Given the importance of the Enterprise, an Acting Ensign still wouldn't serve bridge watch, being that there were likely a line of other more qualified Ensigns on board rotating in and out of the job.
TL:dr, Wesley piloting the ship was a retarded reach by the writers to involve a kid on the bridge to interact with the child-hating Picard and already breaks willing suspense of disbelief.
Here's a question, why the FUCK was Westley Crusher made part of Starfleet and still allowed to serve on the same ship as his mother? Isn't that a huge conflict of interest?
Though actually you're right, now that I think of it, the conflict would lie in her worrying about him over other people she may need to treat in emergency situations.
Thank you. I hate Wesley more, but I can't stand Beverly either. If for no other reason than the episode where she refuses to even tell a suicidal Worf about a procedure that could sure his paralysis. Being all holy-er than thou by declaring his culture and desire is wrong, and that he can't be trusted with all the information about his condition.
I first watched this show as a young teen and I didn't really notice how cringe-inducing he could be. I still think the character was more good than bad, but going back and watching at an older age made me like him less. I love Wil Wheaton though, so I don't hold it against him.
It makes sense to have a teenager in a show that was popular with teens, I went through a love/hate phase with Wesley myself. Probably time to rewatch the series!
I was like eight, so to me Wesley was older than me, and thus perfectly acceptable as a genius character, and not obnoxious. I never knew he was so hated until many years later.
604kevin ยท 36 points ยท Posted at 18:22:07 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He never responds to this sort of summon, by the way. People used to do this to him all the time on fark.com and the only time he'd show up was when he had something to say in a thread where he wasn't summoned. Calling him out is pretty much the best way to ensure that he won't show up.
You know what, wil wheaton is a pretty cool dude, but that doesn't make me hate the character any less. I fucking hated wesley crusher. The only thing less appealing than a wesley episode were the alexander ones.
I think the esteemed Mr. Wheaton hated him just as much.
deltopia ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 06:09:34 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
We only had to deal with Wesley for an hour a week. Mr. Wheaton probably gets told "SHUT UP WESLEY HAW HAW HAW" by some fool twice a week, even today. It would take us years of practice to be able to hate Wesley as much as he does.
604kevin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:00:13 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I actually really liked his character growing up as he was almost exactly my age
That's cool, I was a little younger than his character and I still hated him.
thefran ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 09:30:20 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Wheaton is a pretty cool dude?
Wheaton is an arrogant, ignorant piece of shit who has no business being as popular as he is. What the fuck does he actually do? Why is this slug everywhere?
npfiii ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 14:29:04 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
^this.
Also, everyone who has an opinion he doesn't like is a 'dick/douche' yet he sees no irony in the way he spouts his own opinions...
[deleted] ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 19:52:52 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This is a correct answer for sure, because he was universally hated as a character, but if you look back to Wes's appearances from Season Two on, especially Seasons Three through Five, the producers and /u/Wil did a solid job of making his character grow from an annoying preteen to an upstanding young man.
By the episode "Final Mission", you could believe that Wesley Crusher would turn out all right. And they humanized him in "The First Duty", bringing him down a peg by involving him in a Starfleet Academy cover-up.
It's just that people who weren't regular viewers never got to see that depth. And that's unfortunate.
[deleted] ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 22:33:41 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's a shame that TNG wasn't great at character development.
Nog on DS9 was done brilliantly well. At the start he's just an annoying kid who gets into trouble, not to mention he's a Ferengi, a race lots of people hated at the tine.
Then his character grows throughout the seasons, becomes a great Starfleet officer and even carries a great episode about PTSD on his own.
Man, I've hear DS9 really turns into a great show, but damned if I cant make it past like 3 episodes of Season 1.
Maplekey ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 06:16:52 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
After reading what u/marqueemark78 and u/FizzyDragon said, I've compiled a list of plot-important episodes from the first two seasons of DS9. It's been a while since I've seen them, so let me know if I missed any.
Season 1
Emissary 1 & 2
Dax
The Nagus
Battle Lines
In the Hands of the Prophets
Season 2
The Homecoming/The Circle/The Siege (three part episode)
The first 2 seasons are hard to watch, but season 2 especially has some important episodes. I'd highly recommend powering through them just to see the drastic in the most annoying characters. Nog and Bashir change dramatically to say the least.
Nog wanting to become a starfleet officer is a favourite Trek moment of mine, where Sisko is grilling him and he has to defend himself and justify it. Go Nog! And then he goes off and does his best and experiences failures and everything. It's a great arc.
Nog and Quark and even Rom gave the Ferengi a lot of depth and heart. Too bad the Ferengi-focused episodes were still generally shitty :/
I thought they were mostly decent episodes, I just wasn't that interested in them given everything else that was occurring during those seasons.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:47:38 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
IIRC, it was a Ferengi episode that actually first mentioned the Dominion.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:51:58 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
DS9 was pretty dang good at character development. miss that show. really wasnt crazy about the kira/odo romance though. but worf/jadzia was excellent.
Intrepd ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 19:05:30 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
alt.wesley.crusher.die.die.die
pjabrony ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:28:33 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Deris87 ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 20:37:55 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Bad actor I'd agree with (though I still enjoy his Geek and Sundry stuff), why's he a cunt though?
[deleted] ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 01:25:38 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
He's an advocate for eliminating internet anonymity. He also aligns with some PC opinions. Generally, he was known primarily for being a hated child actor on a beloved show, and seems to be seen as a nerd celebrity despite most in the demo disliking him. He's really just a known face that lives off past involvements.
Edit: As expected, just downvotes, not discussion.
So much hatred for this kid. Yes they wanted kids to watch the show but they didn't have to make him come up with the answer to every problem. He clearly knows more engineering than the engineering officer, more science than the science officer, more about everything than everyone. Wesley walks in, solves the problem. Everyone who has been training all their lives for their position is just an idiot on that show.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:35:24 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I like Wesley. I don't like the "he's the golden child" and that he's as smart as Data, but I think it was good to show the nature of the ship by including a child frequently. I also like Wil Hwheaton in general.
I feel bad about this because you can tell it hurt Wil Wheaton on a personal level after awhile
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:16:21 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Then The Big Bang Theory pretended Wil Wheaton was a "nerd icon" and now he gets invited to host things like Blizzcon, even though nobody really likes him.
TbanksIV ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:34:03 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Thank god I'm not the only one. I don't know many other people who have seen TNG so I've never had a frame of reference.
That kid is such a whiny little bitch the whole time. Any time he smiles I just want to punch him.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:34:20 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The only episode where Wesley seemed like a real person was in The First Duty where one of their squad mates dies in a flying exercise because they attempted a banned maneuver and lied about it during the trial.
I hated him when I was a kid but rewatching it as an adult and a teacher I see him as a sometimes obnoxious kid, but in a believable way, and overall tolerable.
On the old Usenet groups, there was one called alt.wesley.crusher.die.die.die. It was mostly fan fiction where each TNG episode was rewritten so that Wesley dies.
For the record I've always thought Deanna Troi was a waaaaay worse character than Wesley Crusher. WC was overpowered, but at least he was useful. I hate having to watch Troi bumbling around having vague intuitions and forgetting that she has magical empathic abilities until someone else brings it up. The episode where she loses her abilities and has a tantrum was 100% pure cringe.
litewo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:17:42 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I blame the writers for this. Wesley wasn't that bad when he had good material that wasn't just "brilliant teenager solves the problem that a dozen trained adults can't."
I'm surprised this isn't higher up. In the later seasons I grew to be okay with Wesley, but for the first few seasons he was insufferable. And I don't blame Wil Weaton, I blame the writing.
I remember when TNG was first airing I thought it was so cool that this kid was able to fly the ship and all that (I was a little kid and therefore I assume the target audience), but even as a child I thought he could be wicked annoying.
The Captain saw right past that winy little brat! He just felt guilty :P
anumati ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:59:28 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I hate the writers who thought his story arcs were a good idea. The actual character would have been find if they'd just stuck to him having adventures reasonable for a 16 yo instead of the various shit that actually happened.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:33:49 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
WC still better than Wil Wheaton
Joon01 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:34:04 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Why is a god damn ten year old piloting the flagship of the Federation? If it were found out that a child were steering an aircraft carrier, heads would roll.
"Captain, what the hell made you think letting a child take the helm of the Enterprise was a good idea?"
"Well, he's the son of our doctor who I used to date so..."
"Okay. You're gone. You, Dr. Crusher, Riker, Data, anyone who knew about this. You're all dishonorably discharged. Some of you might be going to prison."
you come at the king you best not miss, /u/wil show this muther-fucker...
dethb0y ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:52:42 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I 100% blame the writers for this. They took a character who could have been a great touchstone for the audience (because you could do exposition to him, he could ask questions that other people would consider common knowledge, etc) and turned him into someone so loathed that 20+ years on and wil wheaton still gets shit for it.
-Mikee ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:13:47 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
qytr98 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:24:47 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I was searching for this; I knew someone would say it! My friend HATED Wesley, but I merely found him annoying. For me it was DOCTOR FUCKING PULASKI, whenever she came on I seriously wanted to toss my TV out the window. Followed closely by LIEUTENANT FUCKING YAR. Those two women combined had the acting talents of a featureless block of wood.
The best part of Season 1 was when Yar finally died. I was so pissed when she came back (thankfully briefly) later on.
The only episode I actually liked him in was the one where the crew gets infected by that mind control video game thing and he has to go all die hard and escape. It was the only episode that he actually did anything.
I was scrolling down looking for this one. Get off my bridge Wesley!
Endulos ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:39:43 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I hated Pulaski and Yar as well.
BiggerJ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:20:41 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Here's the thing: Wesley Crusher wasn't the only problem, as badly as he was written. The universe around him was also a problem.
That's the thing about Mary Sues. While character designs that don't fit in with the world around them is often an issue with such characters, another big problem with them is how the universe treats them. A fictional character with any kind of protagonist role should be challenged and have setbacks, and should change and grow in order to overcome them. People seem to forget that writers don't just control characters, they control entire universes.
I love how sending him off to the Academy somehow wasn't enough to kill that character, so they had to have him transcend with the Traveler in some extraterrestrial native american shaman ritual.
Those ants have since issued their fatwa for him being guilty of being a 'SJW cuck' who is totally just pretending to be a geek to get that youtube money for playing board games on the internet. Just like that SJW slut he works with, Felicia Day who is obviously just famous because she is a women and is totally pretending to be a gamer.
I mean, who knew that ants were so judgemental? Must be the hive mind thing.
hoseja ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 18:22:23 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yess Yess feed me your holier than thou condescension.
I mean, you are right, you guys would never do that as you are totally about ethics in video games journalism and how dare I bismirch your good name...
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:51:36 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Whil Wheaton
CdrVimes ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 18:36:12 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He's a damn nice chap. There's also Wheaton's First Law, which is, don't be a douche.
TfnO ยท 78 points ยท Posted at 22:29:20 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This one's pretty dated, but Joxer from Xena Warrior Princess.
The Internet was in its infancy and the character still had hate pages dedicated to him. There was even one that had movable cannons to shoot at his head.
Huh. I didn't hate Joxer at all. He was annoying, sure, but that was the point. He was arguably one of the bravest characters in the show. He knew damn well he couldn't fight for shit, but tried to make up for it with confidence, and was willing to charge hopelessly into battle to save his or do the right thing.
In small doses Joxer was OK but I did grow very tired of him very quickly.
What the introduction of his character did start was the steady descent into over-the-top campness, wackiness and melodrama which make the later series unwatchable for me.
The last time I remember Teemo getting any sort of big nerfs was like 3 years ago. Apart from the AP ratio on his ult being nerfed last season, I think.
Shroom + Liandries + Nashors + any other AP item. Stealth. Wait for someone non tanky to pop a shroom. unstealth next to them. Q -> Ignite -> AA -> AA = ded. Move Quick and walk away while spamming laugh.
Techies player here. Dont forget about the lack of getting runes due to instakill.
Bear_Cop ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:36:06 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Being instagibbed > dying to shrooms while teemo is nowhere to be found. Just watching your health get lower and lower, knowing the enemy team has vision on you in their jungle... Shudders
Teemo isn't even remotely bad... there are a few dozen champions I'd rather not fight.
Sure, shrooms are unexpected and annoying. But techies... fuck me.
hwarming ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:38:39 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Singed, a good yasao, velkoz,
Synikul ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:28:23 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
For some reason I find an instant, explody death way less frustrating that getting slowly worn down by mushrooms and then popped in the face with a dart when I think I'm clear.
To those who see him, he is cute. To those who play him, he is strong. However, only those that struggle against him see the true terror that lie behind his eyes. The depth of cruelty that lies in store for all in his path of pain and suffering. Teemo is neither cute nor cuddly. He is evil and cruelty incarnate, with no restraint nor compassion. He is hate itself... But goddamn if that hat isn't the most adorable thing ever.
[deleted] ยท 30 points ยท Posted at 18:18:39 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I was so lucky when I played league, the characters I enjoyed playing (ranged skillshots galore) naturally countered him. I saw other people suffer against him, but he was never a problem for me unless he was fed in a different lane. And frankly almost any champion is a pain if they're massively overfed.
The best thing is that his utility is based on skill level and chime collection, so you can build him any way you want and still be just as useful as a support.
Holofoil ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:11:22 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If people feared him as much as the meme leads you to believe, everyone would play him in competitive play and no one would not play him. Permabanned all the time.
So in truth he isn't the monster everyone thinks he is. They probably just suck.
Teemo is the most killed champion in league. Picking him is actually a detriment to your team, and really he's only good as a counter for Nasus (or he was when I stopped playing).
actually a good teemo will usually counter any melee , aa based champ which when I played was about 3/4 of top lane.
Shroom wards? yup
Annoying as shit in team-fights? Yup
Naturally taunts everyone around him? yup
Overall is is a strong champ if the right hands at mid-high level play. Once a retards gets his hands on him or you play in anything above plat you see how squishy and vulnerable to ganks pre 6 he actually is.
There used to be a time where that fucking blind wasn't limited by time. You had to do a set number of auto attacks until the blind would be lifted. Oh, and the mushroom damage all stacked. I don't know what the hell the designers were thinking.
Teemo is neither cute, nor cuddly. He is trash. Zero stars.
moal09 ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 18:42:46 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He's a hard counter to most melee top laners, which is why he's seen as satan in the LoL community.
He has very little utility in team fights, and doesn't do much late game other than split push decently. That's why a lot of people consider him cancer. You're basically picking him to spite your lane opponent.
Teemo is really just the cannon rush of League - cheesy as hell and annoying as fuck but not particularly strong once you know how to play against him.
moal09 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 22:32:43 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The problem is that the way you beat him (early pressure) also makes you extremely susceptible to ganks. If your jungler is on the ball though, he's fairly gankable.
Also, god help you if you picked tryndamere and have to lane against teemo. Your jungler either has to set a tent, or you aren't playing league that day.
[deleted] ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 21:43:25 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
nothing compares to shaco. You see him, then you get feared by a box when chasing him, he disappears and then you see him taking a tower on the other side of the map.
Dexaan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:25:09 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
lxkrycek ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:46:47 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That is mostly because everyone don't care about him in early game but when he comes to be fed by kills-assists, the team suddenly realizes there was indeed 5 guy in the opposite team... and that the 5th one became amazingly-f*cking-annoying now that he's setting shrooms everywhere.
In other words : that's because of too much underestimation.
This is mostly because he makes melee top laners his bitch. His job is to make sure their top is as worthless in teamfights as he is. Especially if you have a shitty jungler that doesn't gank him before level 6 (quite a few).
I came here for this. I don't even play LoL and I know about Teemo. I had to stop one of my kids from buying a Teemo hat for the other one; the holiday season is not the time for shots fired. :)
Most players do not know that Teemo actually has a secret ability. It's called "Instant Agro." The second another player sees him, they have to want him dead and attempt to engage. It has global range, and such a massive AoE it covers the entire other team. Such an OP skill.
I barely play, and just seeing his name made me mad.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:57:54 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
IronOhki ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:18:00 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I've never played LoL so I went up to my buddy at work one day and asked "So, why is Teemo so bad?"
He had to stop work immediately so we could go to an early lunch and have one of those rare, forbidden mid-day beers all so he could properly articulate what Teemo is.
That was a fun day.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:37:57 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Techies.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:32:27 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's always cute to see people complain about teemo when they've never had to play against techies.
I think the pinnacle of Teemo evil was when my friend was playing him and there was a Bard on the enemy team. He decided to put a shroom on all of Bards chimes. Evilest shit I have ever seen.
He can blind characters in lane making you miss your attacks and then at level 6 he starts shitting out invisible mines everywhere that hurt like hell and slow you. He isn't actually that strong, he is just really really annoying. FUCK YOU TEEMO I am going to throat fuck you with this sword
Xero_K ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:38:05 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well I've at least heard why he's annoying, and bits and pieces of the game by this point, but it was always funny that one name could instantly cause rage (or memory of it).
People hate teemo because his entire job is to make melee top laners life living hell, and he's very good at that. He has very clear weaknesses, but for many top laners (tryndamere especially O god) they don't have the tools to exploit them.
WarKiel ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:33:15 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
His lore suits him well. He is a cute, cuddly, psychopathic murderer.
I do also hate him, but have to admit Neelix grew more than most of the other characters. In any case, he's better than fucking Chakotay.
[deleted] ยท 61 points ยท Posted at 22:36:49 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I love Voyager for some reason I probably watch it more than the other Treks now I've burnt most out.
Chakotay episodes are the worst though, nothing upsets me more than having the show on random and having his face pop up ''I MUST PRAY TO THE BONES OF MY PEOPLE''.
OH FUCK OFF CHAKOTAY NOBODY GIVES A SHIT.
[deleted] ยท 46 points ยท Posted at 22:41:27 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"Dude, you literally bumped into your 'gods' on a random planet and found out that they're just plain old aliens...why are you still worshipping them?"
I love Chakotay because he's terrible at life and seems to know it. He apologizes to Janeway in one episode because she's stranded on a planet with "the only Indian in the universe who can't start a fire by rubbing two sticks together." He acknowledges that pretty much everyone on his crew from episode 1 was actually a spy working for someone else.
There's also that great episode where he and Janeway get quarantined and then abandoned on a planet and Chakotay gives up all hope within an hour. Janeway's working hard on a cure for this terminal disease and Chakotay just keeps building furniture out of twigs and trying to get into Janeway's pants.
Chakotay takes being terrible to a whole new level.
And the annoyingly shoehorned native american spiritualism. Terribly witten token black guys have nothing on Chakotay and the bullshit pandering to native americans that Chakotay had going which was so bad it was borderline mockery.
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 07:12:53 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's mostly because the writers got their information from an "expert" who lied about being Native American and actually had no idea what he was talking about.
Fist me straight in the ass... Chakotay, here's a captain of a fucking rebel star ship, and like half his crew are plants and spies. So you make him co-captain?
FatJack ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:03:55 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
THE BONES OF MY PEOPLE
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:19:17 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I honestly can't think of another main character in the entire franchise worse than Chakotay. Neither the writers or the actor gave a shit about anything that character did and its clear from every scene.
If it makes you feel any better the actor really really hate it. On multiple occasions he spoke out about the pandering and crap dialogue he was given.
arclathe ยท -10 points ยท Posted at 22:09:54 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
But without the swagger. Have you ever seen Chakotay sit down by throwing his leg over the back of a chair? Frakes had 'Old Sea Captain' down to a T. Chakotay has 'camp counselor'.
In fairness he had to do the swigger and chair leg swing due to real life back pain and all day long repeated takes when filming. At least he made it part of the character without drawing too much unnecessary attention to it. It was just a thing he did that nobody mentioned.
The problem with Neelix is he was just was way overdone. Especially inn the beginning where they made him unrationally jealous over Kes. If they had kept him as a bit played rather than a major character I think he would have been much more tolerable instead of just overbearing comic relief.
I downright hate the episode in the last season where he gets his send off. Really Neelix buddy, you're gonna have this mission to be the first of your kind to visit the Alpha quadrant, become an ambassador to Earth, and all the other goofy things you were setting out to do only to ditch it at crunch time for the last familiar lookin' vag you'll ever see? This is space man! He's already watched his "alien" crew stick their genitals into new frontiers for years. Disappointing and seemed overall not like the character.
There is this unintentionally hilarious mission in Star Trek Online where you as a starfleet officer go visit him in the delta quadrant to assist him with his colony.
Now by this point in the game you are probably the number one most effective captain/all around ass kicker in starfleet, who is in the delta quadrant to fight rampaging aliens backed by forces that are about as close as you can get to an existential threat to all sentient life in the star trek universe, and what does Neelix have you do?
You ready for this?
Help him sort out a shift scheduling dispute with three of his workers.
Spoilers, but the bad guys show up later and slaughter almost everyone at his colony just to prove a point. I cheered.
I literally quit in the middle and went back to that stupid fucking Dyson Sphere because I didn't have the time to help his cook find his damn spices. STO is fun until Vice Admiral, when there's really nothing else you can get for free.
Came back after 3 years. Kitted my ship out with random mission sets. Tooted around adventure zones for a while after finishing the new episodes... annnnd now I'm done.
The problem is they never bothered to change his character. Bashir was a pain in the beginning of DS9 but became one of my favorite characters by the end of the show.
I am about to finish a watch through of TNG and you just reminded me of why I like it so much. There isn't a single character on TNG that I find insufferable. Wesley is a tool in the first couple seasons, but he isn't so bad. I can watch episodes centered around any of the main cast and they will be good.
In DS9 I can't stand Bashir. In VOY it gets worse and I hate Neelix with a passion, Kim is lame, Chakotay is a chucklefuck.
I really like Voyager. But unfortunately I realize a lot of that comes down to the much higher production values, better looking sets and it feels like money was invested. If they had the great casting choices that TNG had it could have been even better.
I think it speaks volumes that in seven fucking years he was never promoted past Ensign, yet there's Tom Paris, a man Janeway had to have released from prison to join her crew, violate the Prime Directive, get demoted to Ensign, and manage to make Lieutenant Jr. Grade before Harry.
Oh man, so true. If I had to list Voyager crew I would remember Harry, but if I was listing NX-01 I don't think I would remember Travis.
Trunkins ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:16:58 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
IT seemed like he was always on the verge of dying every other episode.
Trunkins ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:16:27 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
To be fair, Bashir was genetically engineered to be a smug prick, and didn't mind letting people know it once it came out, though he really was a try hard at the beginning with Dax, dude could have swooned any other chick on the station, but he wanted to bang the Trill.
I liked that although you mostly hated her guts, every now and then you saw a glimmer of doubt and eventually you realize that she's just being strung along by others until the end when she realizes this and tries to do her best to right things. Unfortunately it's just far too late.
Kind of that redemption arc which makes her a good complex character.
Kai Winn had ambition but lacked the necessary intelligence.
She almost started a civil war in Bajor just because she wanted to prove a point and in another episode was so desperate to get power that she blindly trusted a stranger because the "prophets" said so.
What pisses me off about her was that she was not a villain, she was just dumb.
[deleted] ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 00:26:19 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
She was self-serving, power-hungry, and ruthless, and at the same time she had that condescending, outwardly kindly, paper-thin piety. She may have been dumb, but she was definitely a villain.
Air0ck ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 22:02:45 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I've seen people rant against Janeway for murdering Tuvix. And while I agree it was murder of one life, she needed the two individuals more. Especially Tuvok.
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 03:42:33 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
For me it is simple math. Save two lives at the expense of one? Not an ideal situation but better than saving one life at the expense of two.
It's like the ethical problem with two sets of train tracks with varying numbers of people on each, you control the switch but can't stop it, if you do nothing it hits the larger group, if you flip the switch it hits the smaller one. Is "actively" killing a smaller number more or less correct to do than passively letting a larger number die? I'm horrible at explaining it, but you know the one. For the most part I agree with your reasoning for both if all that's known is how many people there are. If more information is known obviously that could sway the decision, like if you knew the larger group had a serial killer that would kill the rest of the group anyway if they don't get hit, or that someone from the smaller group would discover a cure for AIDS or whatever
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 07:44:03 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I know exactly what thought experiment you are talking about! Also, one factor in this situation beyond math is that Janeway and Tuvok were friends for a long time right? I don't blame her for wanting to save her friend. yes Tuvix had the tactical knowledge that Tuvok had but if Janeway and Tuvok already worked well together, the crew has a better chance of survival.
Hey, Tuvix could do everything Tuvok could. He had all the same knowledge. And nobody needs Neelix for shit.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 22:43:39 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Apparently nobody on Voyager could train people to do stuff. The ship's main pilot had to be the secondary doctor and only field medic because he was the only one on the ship who had studied some kind of medical side-course.
So they were incapable of teaching someone else how to cook.
Didn't they reference that at some point? Like he said he was kicked out of the academy for attempting a starburst? I could swear he said something that referenced that TNG episode and I'm left scratching my head how they just went from a casting discontinuity to full blown AIDS.
Tim Russ was in an episode of TNG, and Max Grodenchik played a random Ferengi as well but they didn't try to connect those things.
Air0ck ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:41:18 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
But what if Janeway needed a tactical report at the same time she needed a cuppa coffee?!
Harry Kim is an ensign on his first mission but they let him order lieutenants around, just because he's a main character. (Same with Neelix, the untrained civilian cook.)
Technically he's also a department head, which gives him positional authority - Chief O'Brien is lower-ranked than Nog, but Nog can't tell him what yo do.
God, I hated him in that episode where he gets his lungs stolen.
kasteen ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:23:49 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Didn't he start freaking out about the holographic lungs that the doctor gave him?
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 22:45:56 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Nobody in their right mind would freak out if they were just told that that had no lungs and had pretend ones made of light instead. Oh, and that they could become misaligned and cause death if you moved too much.
I have this huge admiration for Neelix, because of a flaw in my own character. How many times has someone come to Neelix with emotional issues or problems just as he's finishing his kitchen shift and what does he do, he drops everything to help them. Neelix has this emotional core or strength I lack. If someone came to me at the end of a work day with a problem. I'd be like that's tough dude...I gotta go get a beer. I can barely handle my own problems let alone take on some one else's.
IIRC he did, during the year of hell. But then that year didn't exist/was erased. And he did ask Tuvok for some training multiple times, but Tuvok was a condescending prick (as usual)
Air0ck ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:03:39 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He did, yes, which is where I got the idea. But that should have gone into the actual series.
I'm also firmly against Star Fleet characters who don't wear the Starfleet uniform. It makes so little sense to me that they allow some people to just say "fuck off" to uniform regulations.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:40:08 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
I think he would of been better as a science officer. He was good with rigging/fixing different alien technology being a technology scavenger/scrapper his pre-voyager life.
edit: I named my cat Neelix, but for some odd reason my dad kept calling him Lexus after umpteen times I corrected him.
Oh gosh, yes. Neelix and Kes. But Kes was harder to watch because I found her more irrational. Her being so young made it that much more creepy. If I knew her in real life, I wouldn't touch her with a 30' pole.
The weird thing about Neelix is that he's actually a really interesting character when the episode is focused on him, so they actually bother to write him with more depth. But whenever he's just a side character in an episode they just go back to making him annoying and the butt of jokes.
Especially since in the pilot he's setup as this smuggler barely on the right side of the law Han Solo character. Then when the series actually starts up he's the cook?! WTF. Lots of lost potential on the show from the pilot to the actual show.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:25:10 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I loved Neelix. That said, I think they should've kept Tuvix.
i wanted to shove him out an airlock after the first episode
thewarp ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:53:16 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Nobody else mentioning Sesca? My wife and I watched it together and we couldn't go through one of her episodes without yelling "you bitch" or something worse at the screen.
kloutier ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:08:49 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Down voted beacause i liked nelix too. Then upvoted beacuse i liked nelix too.
"Hey, I've got another mission for you, because among the dozens or possibly hundreds of people living in Minute-Man settlements, 100% of them are useless and only you can go kill this group of low-level raiders in the same spot we've sent you a dozen times before."
To be honest I hate most settlers, it's like taking care of adult children. Boo hoo we've got no food and water, help us random guy who showed up. We can't do it ourselves despite surviving in this environment longer than you. If food is so hard to come by how come it contributes to most of my carry load problems.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:05:13 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
They're just trying to profit off the hard work of your enterprising wanderer, if they aren't willing to pull themselves up by their bootstraps why should I bother to help them. (I actually do all the building stuff, I just like to imagine my character grudgingly complaining about everything the whole time)
There's one quest waaay later on, where you run into a group of minutemen on a quest. When I saw them, i thought they were fucking synths, it made no sense.
R0da ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 09:20:12 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You know, I have a feeling that, canonically, (like in skyrim) it's not supposed to be the soul survivor doing all those tasks, but just random minute men, and Bethesda is just having your character be a stand in for those randoms because it's something to do, so why not give it to the player.
I mean the minute men were supposed to be a broad band of citizen soldiers ready to respond to trouble with a minute's notice, and isn't that what those minute man quests are? It doesn't make sense for the soul survivor to get a notice on their radio that someone has been kidnapped or raiders are being dangerous or that a settlement is being attacked that instant, and be able to drop their search for their son and travel across to commonwealth to help that settlement as soon as it calls for help.
xahnel ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:18:59 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"Hey. Hey Preston. I got... I got a thing to tell you."
~disable
"Does, ah... does that solve your little... settler problem, Preston? Are we gonna hear anything more about raiders and settlers?"
-nothing but the sound of sweet silence-
"that's what I thought."
joker783 ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 04:13:57 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Me: I finally helped out with that settlement you told me about.
Preston: Good job, the minutemen could always use more settlers. We just found two more settlements that need our help.
Me: What's this "we" shit? I'm doing all the work. You want more settlers Garvey? You help them.
He got really tiresome after the third time he pulled that.
opiate46 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 03:46:05 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ugh I've got him as my companion right now as im trying to get his quest, but this guy doesn't compare in the least to lieutenant danse. Fuck that guy. One of THE most annoying characters I've ever seen. I go and shoot him in the face every so often just to feel better.
"Hey, there's a raider problem at Tenpines Bluff. Again. For the third time. I know we have a fuckload of other people in the Minutemen, but we always send the General to do the low level jobs."
kills all settlers
"Problem solved. Shove your Radiant quests up your lazy asshole, you fucking waste."
"Got something a little different for you..." Preston, go fuck yourself.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:01:21 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"Good job on helping that settlement, here's 97 caps. I've got something a little different for you. Go do the exact same thing I told you to do ten times. You don't want to? Too bad GENERAL. It's not like we have tons of other minutemen who have badass laser muskets and are perfectly capable of doing it."
Bethesda's stupid bland ass fucking radiant quests and shitty dialogue are what ruined Preston.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:19:13 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The 60s show did the same thing years earlier and he recovered from that.
salenth ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 20:27:47 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Adam West Batman was great! It fit the tone of the comic at the time.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:54:17 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I actually like his Batman movies. They are fun, campy and don't take themselves too seriously. I love a more serious batman as much as the next need, but come on- it's a dude who dresses as a bat and beats up criminals who dress as clowns, plants and penguins. You need to have a little fun with it. If it's too serious, we get "The Dark Knight rises".
In his defense, he fucked it up so badly they cancelled the sequel Batman Triumphant allowing the whole series to be rebooted sooner than it probably would otherwise.
You Won't Believe #17! I Was Cracking Up At #67! And #563 Had Me In Tears!
[deleted] ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 20:37:55 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
nobody knows who that is
I took that as a personal insult! Don't test me on my Zelda knowledge!
gebora ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 23:44:01 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't often see my namesake mentioned on Reddit :D
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 01:42:56 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The only reason anyone hates him is because OoT is a game that a lot of people revisit often, so when Kaepora Gabora shows up to offer that tutorial you've seen 10+ times, you mash A to get through it and the infamous problem arises. It is your own fault that you don't watch out for this because everyone already knows about it. All you've gotta do is pay attention, no one complains about long winded tutorials on other classic video games.
He's named in the booklet of each game he comes in, some of the games do explicitly name him during scenes he appears in (though, granted, not in OoT where he is BEST know from, but in others), several other characters talk about him and mention his name throughout the series, and in SS, the headmaster of the flight school is named after him, and modeled to look like a humanized (Hylian-ized?) version of him.
Kaepora is very well known but nobody knows him by name.
Where are you getting this information from? Seriously, youre just pulling this out of your ass and SAYING no one knows him by name. I just went on FB messenger and asked like 12 people, most of whom arent even zelda fans. They ALL knew (or at least had a pretty good idea) of who Kaepora was, just by hearing his name, without me having to tell them anything. Even the one who was most unsure said "Isnt he that annoying eagle thing from Zelda?"
I go to anime/geek culture cons about 8 times a year and I do a few different panels, one of which is a LoZ mythology panel. EVERYONE knows who Kaepora is, just by name. If you show them a picture, theyll be able to TELL you his name. I have never ONCE had ANYONE who was even remotely confused as to who that was or what his name is, out of the multiple thousands of people that I have spoken in front of over the last ten years of con attendance.
Go on Gamefaqs, or a game-related FB group, ANY subreddit even remotely related to games. EVERYONE knows exactly who youre talking about. I have an old college buddy whos never even FINISHED any LoZ game; he's only played MM part way through (and that was over a decade ago) and even HE knows who kaepora is. My 7 year old cousin knows who that is. My 62 year old DAD knows who that is, and he's never even PLAYED a video game.
Literally EVERYONE knows who kaepora Gaebora is. Stop trying to act like youre the special-est of fucking snowflakes because you know an incredibly common piece of video game trivia, that literally everyone else on the planet thats heard of LoZ knows.
I came up with the generally safe (and, according to other comments, correct) assumption that I could create the scenario of "who the fu- OH THIS FUCKER."
I have no idea what the hell you're talking about, but you're obviously convinced you're in an argument when nothing is even happening.
No, you came up with the assumption that you could try and look smart by showing off what you thought was an obscure or not well known piece of trivia, and you ended up just looking like a jackass.
Basically all that happened was that you went "Hey, look at this thing I know! Arent I SOOOOO awesome for knowing it? I bet NOBODY else knew this, so IM cool for knowing!" And then everyone else on the planet went "uhh... we all know that. Thats not obscure or hard at all. Literally EVERYONE knows that. You might as well be trying to show off because you knew that Han Solos ship is named the millenium falcon. Literally every single person on earth knows this thing, and you think youre so cool for knowing it."
TL;DR version: You thought you were cool because you knew what kaeporas name was and you thought nobody else did, when in reality EVERYONE knows that, and you basically just looked like an ass. The end.
I was just commenting on the fact that he only says his name like once in the game, while most characters say it a hundred times. Obviously, whether he says it is irrelevant because we all skipped his text.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:47:26 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I know who that is because I once wrote a fanfic about Mario and Link trapped in the Aperture Science Enrichment Center. In iambic pentameter. I'm a nerd.
Dear GOD I came here to write that fuckers name down! The second I saw someone else remembers him it was like a moment of "I swear I'm not crazy- that douche was there and his name was seriously Kaepora Gaebora!"
He was worse than navi. I would try soooo hard to sneak past him. Never managed it.
[deleted] ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 20:47:26 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think Ana Lucia is more fitting here. Or that Ceasar guy that lasted 2 episodes.
Nikki and Paolos episode is actually pretty great when you are bingewatching, just not when you are waiting a week between episodes.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 23:00:56 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I really despise Ana Lucia because she kills Libby and Shannon, seduces and tricks Sawyer, and is just a general bitch whenever she is on screen. But she's meant to be hated as a secondary/tertiary antagonist.
Nikki and Paolo are just fucking annoying pointless characters and nothing in their episode has anything to do with the rest of the show. You can skip it on a binge marathon and lose absolutely nothing.
dossier ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 05:09:09 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah Nikki and Paulo were annoying on the Island, but they had a cool back story. Fuck Michael, he is so much easier to hate. Partly bc of the Libby incident, but mostly because of "WALLLLLLLLT! THEY TOOK. MY SON!"
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:02:18 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Sawyer was also meant to be hated but I see nothing but praise for him. Ben Linus was also a villain that everybody loved.
I just think Ana Lucia was a higly unpopular character. I didn't mind her at all but she doesn't come close to the other characters. People didn't love to hate her, they just hated her.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:05:35 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Sawyer was a dick until like Season 2, even hiding Shannon's inhaler when she needed it. But he learns to work with the group(s) and his character arc grows throughout the show because of things he learns about his past. He might have been hated at the start, but he's an awesome character by the end. My cat is even named Sawyer.
Ben is a character you love to hate because he's manipulative and scheming, and not just a villain that does bad things for the hell of it. You also sympathize with him because of what he went through as a child.
Ana Lucia, in my opinion, didn't have much of an arc to be cared about one way or another. She was a bitchy cop back home and now she tries to be a powertrip on the island. She doesn't really grow as a character, which is why people hate her.
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 23:01:48 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Random ass characters on LOST that for no reason got their own episode.
DashCat9 ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 01:00:52 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think it's great that they got their own episode. They could have just randomly killed them, but they explained what they were trying to do with the characters, acknowledged that it didn't work, and killed them in the most brutal way possible, basically looking the viewers in the eye and saying "Happy now?".
HOLY FUCK! THAT GUY!
I forgot about him for so long, hiding him behind the faces of Joffrey, Umbridge and so many more. What's worse is I don't know what I really hate about him. Is it his voice? The face that never moves or emotes? The hair more ridiculous than Wakka's? The fact he kept trying to get Yuna after she said no, and after numerous attempts to murder her and her friends?
I don't know but fuck that guy.
Z_Kell ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:13:16 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Felt so good wrecking said fool. He was such a creep.
justec1 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 06:53:11 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Before New Caprica, Gaeta was a good character. After his accident, he was just a sulking mess. It was a courtesy that they gave him a bullet.
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[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:49:57 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It was a mutual exchange of bullets.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 18:07:49 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:24:50 on January 15, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He already got a reprieve for that. He wasn't executed by the vigilante squad Starbuck led (after the escape from New Caprica) because of his contribution to the resistance.
Mr_Times ยท 852 points ยท Posted at 20:21:03 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The Minions, way too much over exposure, and they are so god damn annoying
the worst part is, they were actually pretty funny in the first Despicable Me.
DrSmoke ยท 87 points ยท Posted at 01:02:30 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
The worst part is, they have nothing to do with Despicable Me at all. "Minions" is just something the marketing department came up with, and was waiting around to be attached to a movie.
Despicable Me was pitched as a Live Action movie. They made animated, and put in the Minions because they knew it would make money.
sounds interesting, i'll be sure to watch it when i have time. i still think they worked pretty well in the film though, they didn't feel shoe horned in.
I thought the movie was ok. I wasn't exposed to the overexposure, other than maybe seeing merchandising around, so for me it was just a goofy movie and that was it.
Ghost51 ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 23:28:45 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
At that point they are just cashing in on the 10 year olds, middle aged parents and grandparents demographic.
That was the sad part. You just knew those cute little Tic Tacs were going to be exploited like a teenage runaway when you first saw them, but couldn't help liking them even so.
Now they aren't even bothering to flash the merchandise as they stand on the street corner because they know everyone wants a piece.
DrSmoke ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 01:02:58 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And they weren't the focus of the first one. The first one had a good story. Too good actually. It pissed me off, seeing him learn how to be a father to daughters, and then comparing my dad to my sisters.
The second one was 3/4 minions. It'll only get worse
I literally had a laughing fit during the first movie. Couldn't breath, was crying, all because those stupid little yellow guys found a fart gun.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:11:20 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I hated them from the get go. I also disliked the first despicable me movie, but not just because of the minions.
xahnel ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:20:50 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, because they were what they were supposed to be: funny little one dimensional side characters. Then they took center stage, and people forget that the movies are actually about a man trying to stop being a bad guy so he can become a good father.
smartzie ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 22:47:43 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I loved them in the first movie. I thought they were hilarious little side characters. Now they're everywhere, like a yellow virus. They killed it for me. :(
There were blueprints for the Minions in Gru's lab (IIRC) showing they were made from experiments on corn kernels. Gru also knew the name of every single Minion because he was the one who made them.
The spin-off simply 'ignored' this and basically left the implication that the minions are just going to ditch the girls and everyone else the moment he dies, because that's exactly what they did with their former leaders.
The little green men are good because they stayed in the background though. They minions would still be good if their stupid fucking yellow faces weren't plastered over every goddamm product in existence
I still like them, I don't know I think they're cute and I try to look past the marketing. I live near a boardwalk where they would always have minion prizes in the claw games and my boyfriend would always win me them. It's one of the happier memories that I have.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 08:55:17 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I admit they were funny and cute fun at first and got a couple of laughs from me.... then the memes came...
DashCat9 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:57:26 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Sometimes I'm convinced that I'm the only person (other than a friend) over the age of 12 that loves pretty much all things Minions.
[deleted] ยท 407 points ยท Posted at 17:30:41 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
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Aruu ยท 93 points ยท Posted at 21:28:56 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I liked Vinny.
I was prepared to hate him because reasons, but he really was a very sweet and thoughtful character. Especially when he talked about the death of his previous owner, and how he felt at home with the Griffins.
And then he helped Stewie get Brian back, despite that meaning that he would never get taken in by the Griffins. That's a pretty selfless move.
I thought he was hilarious because he was voiced by Paulie from the Sopranos, and he was just an excuse for the writers to make a ton of extra Sopranos-style jokes about semi-psychotic mobsters. But I'm sure that a lot of that was related to how much I love the Sopranos and I can see how it wouldn't land well for anyone watching who didn't have that perspective on it.
[deleted] ยท 183 points ยท Posted at 17:54:29 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I felt like that dude on Misfits was doing his best, but Nathan was a hard act to follow.
Elricked ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 00:12:17 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not sure if it'll translate well to anyone outside of Ireland, but Love/Hate. He plays a serious role though, I think it's on American Netflix too but I'm not sure.
I had to stop watching when they replaced Nathan, the whole show changed so much after that. Still, at least we know where Ramsey Bolton got his big break.
Nathan was hilarious but if you stick with Rudy through his journey, you realize how much better of an actor he is than Nathan. His character progression is phenomenal. Not saying Nathan's wasn't but Rudy was a way more complex character.
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 02:38:59 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Rudy was amazing. I found him adorable and hilarious. I loved shy, sweet Rudy and his juxtaposed "evil" self.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:54:26 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The best was when the cheerleaders were eating that chick in the bathroom and he just slowly closes the door with the disgusted look.
I thought Rudy was a fantastic character, but I think Nathan's departure fucked the show runners' plans for the ASBO Shitheads. So even with how great Joe Gilgun's Rudy was, the show started to circle the drain. Then it went absolutely to shit.
I think the general consensus of people that watched all of the show is that Nathan was irreplaceable, Rudy was great, but he was unfortunate enough to replace Nathan.
Honestly if it started with Rudy and he got replaced by Nathan in the same circumstances the reaction would have most likely been the same. You can't just replace irreplaceable characters.
I know a few people that didn't even give the show a chance after Nathan left. They're missing out, but I get it.
In my opinion Rudy remained incredible while the show slowly started to spiral out of control. First two seasons are incredible, season 3 is still good, can't even remember the rest tbh.
Inferzo ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:30:14 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Agreed. I don't know about you though but I felt like season 4 was the weakest one: all of the original cast (bar Curtis, who imo was really boring in that season) had gone and we were getting bombarded with these new characters. Many people give up while watching season 4 but I consider it as more of a set-up to the final season.
do people hate Rudi? i thought he just got a bad rep because he had to fill some huge boots. i thought he did a better job than anyone else could have in his position.
What replacement? Misfits was only 12 episodes long. Imagine if it kept going, and they did something really stupid like kill off the entire cast and give them all new, shittier powers.
You need to give Uncle Rudy another chance. Once he comes into his own as a character, I feel that he is actually superior to Nathan. (I loved Nathan BTW)
tetr4d ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:00:00 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah that was a wasted few episodes on Family Guy. Also Brian coming back was kind of whack too. They should have just either not killed him at all and come up with another story arch, or just killed him and not replaced him.
What, you mean the less whiny, self-absorbed, repugnant beast? I wish that bastard had stayed, now it's just "I'm the only liberal voice of reason, everyone should listen to me, I went from being a mentor for everyone else on the show to a walking punchline who would fuck Lois in an instant even though she's the wife of the very man who rescued me from the brink of starvation and took me in his home and adopted me like I was his own god damn brother" Brian?
Yeah Vinny was just too hard of a shot for "racist, stereotypical goomba " I can Atleast agree with Brian's shit from time to time, Vinny just wouldn't shut the fuck up.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:50:35 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Who replaced Rudy?
jackaboo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:57:29 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You mean Rudy for misfits? People love him! Some prefer him to Nathan.
Navi from Legend of Zelda. At first she was okay. But then she...wouldn't stop...just "hey!", "listen!" Until the day I die, this will be one of reasons why I don't play Ocarina of Time anymore.
Still, one of the best games I've ever played, 10/10
I will fight you in the name of The Song of Storms. And by "fight you", I mean I will shriek incoherently before draping my horrible body over your twitching form.
They're one and the same. There's a gossip stone in OoT that says something like "they say the owl named Kaepora Gaebora is the reincarnation of an ancient sage."
blamb211 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:05:28 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The owl would have been okay if you could skip it more effectively, and they didn't keep changing the position of yes/no when they asked if you want to hear it again.
As it was, slowly skipping forward, mashing the button to try and move quickly, then having to repeat the lot sucked balls.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:41:56 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And they'd fucking switch it sometimes too, so that on one text box the yes would be on the left, then next time you talked to him it was on the right, so you expect it to be the other way and it fucks you over.
iFinity ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:23:02 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I might be called old for this, but I've been reading Kaepora Gaebora's little quips of wisdom and lore since Link Awakens for GB. I'm more tolerant of him since I've been playing for so long, and don't mind re-reading he text when I replay any game. Navi is... Navi. Few things compare to the frustration Navi causes me.
I kept ending up in that area somehow and talking to the Owl for whatever reason. I'd try to skip through to the right point, but always overestimated the button pushes needed. I remember one time going through the Owl dialogue at least 5 times before I went and took a break to cool down.
ceedubs2 ยท 304 points ยท Posted at 18:34:27 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Fi was much much much worse. I know Navi gets a bad rep just because Navi-bashing has been going on since like . . . 1998. But at least she lets up after the first few levels. Fi never shuts the fuck up. "I FUCKING GET IT, FI. I HAVE LOW HEALTH. I GOT THAT WHEN I SAW I HAD TWO HEARTS AND THE LOW HEALTH ALARM STARTED GOING OFF. YOU DON'T HAVE TO FUCKING TELL ME EVERY SINGLE FUCKING TIME!"
[deleted] ยท 125 points ยท Posted at 19:30:01 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Total waste of such a cool design.
Midna 4eva
Taervon ยท 65 points ยท Posted at 22:01:14 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Midna is one of my favorite sidekicks in fantasy.
She's an individual character who actually has a personality, while also being a video game advisor that's not only useful but also knows how to shut the fuck up.
I'm actually disappointed that Twilight Princess doesn't have further games in that timeline (AFAIK).
[deleted] ยท 24 points ยท Posted at 22:33:34 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Doesn't the Minish Cap use her? I'm pretty sure she's in at least one other game.
Edit: nevermind that's a talking bird hat.
Zeebuss ยท 23 points ยท Posted at 23:55:38 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Midna was the best Zelda character in a long ass time.
I loved the design of the Twilight Realm in general. A lot of people complained about it being too bland but I thought it was kinda brilliant and really bizarre.
Nah, the originals take place in the timeline where Link loses in OoT. TP is the timeline where Link stops Ganon in the past at the beginning of OoT and the Wind Waker/cel shaded games take place in the timeline after Link is gone after sealing Ganon at the end of OoT
Twad_feu ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:59:24 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Midna was cute and had a snarky side a mile wide i really liked. Like Talt (of majora). I like my sidekicks when they got wit and bite.
holyjaw ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:59:23 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I loved everything about Twilight Princess except for the Twilight parts. When you're a wolf in a dark, muted world, the atmosphere they created just gets to me in the worst possible way. Hated it. Then I went on to hate the stupid treasure hunt search parts of Skyward Sword where it was the same feeling. Bleh.
Fable 2 loading screen tip: They say it was rumoured that the Hero of Oakvale murdered the Guildmaster and carved the words "Your health is low" into his forehead.
[deleted] ยท 23 points ยท Posted at 21:46:33 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 22:32:53 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think the game is unplayable - I think I dropped the controller and said "fuck it" when she had to explain to me that I there's an 80% chance that the weak spot of the spider is the huge glowing ruby on its body. The game is for people with Downs syndrome - I finished OoT at 9 without knowing English, so no help from characters, including Navi, so saying Skyward Sword is directed at kids is a big, fat, condescending lie.
Its the only Zelda game I haven't finished. I was really disappointed. There's so many good spots and so many things in it, I personally think it may have had some of the best dungeon design in the series. But it was insufferably tedious and repetitive at so much of the game and the controls work whenever the hell they feel like it
It would have been one of my favorites except for that :(
Fuck fi
KingZant ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:16:52 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Skyward Sword rant inbound:
The most memorable positive things about Skyward Sword for me were the designs of certain characters and the musical score.
I never got used to the fucking way the Wiimote pointer worked. I really liked how the Wiimotion plus worked for controlling the sword movements and so on, but the fucking pointer itself was fucking AWFUL. WHY would it need to be RESET? It's like they knew it was awful and added that "feature" to compensate.
Every single area of that game was not memorable in the slightest. They all worked thematically: typical forest area, lake, desert, and so on, but their designs were mostly linear and bad. Pretty, yes. Driving? Nah. The mountain area was so bland I couldnt stand it. That's all I remember from that place: hating it.
The music was amazing. Almost all of it.
The (main) characters were beautiful. Too bad half of their personalities sucked. Link looks fine, Zelda's iteration in that game had my favorite design of all of them, Fi was cool as fuck on the surface but utterly wasted, Groose was gross but served his purpose well. Ghirahim was one of, if not the most well-designed character in that game. He was so carefully crafted. Demise was cool but had almost zero screentime. The dragons were ugly. And WHAT the FUCK were they thinking when it came to the design of a few of the characters in Skyloft? (I'M LOOKING AT YOU POTION SELLER)
Remember Koloktos? Of course you do- it was the only good boss in that game.
The mix of iffy mechanics and bad design left a bad taste in my mouth. As least I can wash it down with the three memorable characters and the soundtrack.
Ugh, God. The descriptions of each rupee bother me in particular. If I need to know how much a red rupee is worth, can't I just... look at my rupee total, and watch it go from 233 to 253?
Mahdee Madass "Master, I estimate a 97.4% probability that this female standing in front of you in the dress with blonde hair who is your age and looks just like Zelda, whom you saw when you began the game, is Zelda." ....thanks.
Yay! Someone else who hates Fi! In all honesty, Skyward Sword was kind of just a let down. It wasn't really that great, Fi was annoying, and, worst of all, there was stamina. I hate stamina. It never got in the way, just annoyed me. Run, run, run, oh wait, walk, ok, now run, now walk, oh fuck, wait to refill stamina, etc.
Also I hated how the sword points wherever the Wii remote is. It always looks stupid.
[deleted] ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 22:52:15 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I didn't even bother finishing the game. I believe I got to where you fight the big bad who isn't Ganondorf (seriously, why would you include every other iconic character in the fucking game except him?) and just didn't care anymore. I hated that creepy emo vampire thing that probably wants to have sex with Link, I hated the controls, I hated Fi, I hated trying to aim with the bow or trying to stab eyeball enemies like the scorpions, I just hated about everything they did in the game.
Except the sandship and that general area. Really fun design and the time crystal thing was pretty neat.
ceedubs2 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:01:18 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Oh, I loved Skyward Sword, Fi aside.
And as for Ganondorf? Man, he's like the villain in every game. I'm totally fine with Nintendo branching out with someone else. It can't always be the same guy. I'm fine with them trying new stuff. That's the main I like about Nintendo. They take these franchises and try new things with them.
petard ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:00:54 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think you were at the very end of the game. Were you fighting the guy with the fire hair on water in middle of nowhere? Cause that's the last thing in the game.
It was a terrible game though I had to force myself to finish.
Wait Ganondorf isn't even in the game? I did not know this. Ugh. I really, really wanted it to be a great game. But just disappointment awaited.
Somehow I still manage to have high hopes for Legend of Zelda 2016!! :'(
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:05:29 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Sorry I probably should have spoiler'd that despite it being an older game now, but yes, it's an embodiment of hatred or some stupid ass symbolic bullshit. In a LoZ game where the same formula has worked and been amazing for 30 goddamn years.
It's literally the origin and explanation of the whole cycle. Demise is who is reincarnated as Ganondorf and it's his undying hatred which drives the entire continuation of the games
petard ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:27:11 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And that was all just a sentence or two at the end. The game overall was pretty terrible. I hope the 2016 Zelda is awesome, I've loved all the 3D Zeldas other than SS.
ceedubs2 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 00:59:46 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I actually enjoyed Skyward Sword. It's one of my favorite Zelda games. I'm of the opinion that they just keep getting better. Fi aside, I really enjoyed it.
Now there was a lot to get used to with SS. The stamina gauge, weapon upgrades, shield repair, the sword controls. But I really liked the feel of the game, Zelda had a personality again (only other time was in Wind Waker), and I just a blast.
My favorite game is actually Wind Waker, so I guess I like Zelda w/ personality, too.
petard ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:01:34 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Plenty of people don't like that game. It wasn't good.
holyjaw ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:03:27 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My Wiimote would become de-synched at least every 30 minutes or so. Flying or fighting in Skyward Sword was the fucking worst. I was dismayed to find out nobody else (at the time) was having the same issues as me.
I still finished it, and it felt good, but I wanted to kill Fi a thousand times over. Stupid dancing robot alarm clock.
FZ_ ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 19:45:34 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
also low batteries on a wiimote is like another 5 hours of battery, stop telling me to go change them!
Nah, Navi was a huge pain in the ass in the beginning of the game, which was understandable considering it was like the Wild Wild West era of 3D games, but she usually leaves you alone beyond that. Or at least her tips are optional.
Fi never shut the fuck up.
Dalek456 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:30:09 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Skyward Sword. Midna was actually tolerable and even likeable. Heck, i actually liked having her around to some degree. She rarely said anything unless called upon or it was important to the story.
Fi.... jesus christ Fi I know that GIGANTIC, CHAINED UP DOOR WITH THE LOCK THAT FITS THE BOSS KEY PERFECTLY IS THE DOOR TO THE BOSS. LITERALLY EVERY OTHER DOOR IS TINY AND DOESN'T HAVE A LOCK THAT FITS THE BOSS KEY BESIDES THAT ONE. YOU DON'T NEED TO TELL ME EVERY TIME WE GET NEAR EACH NEW DOOR.
You know, while we're on the subject, fuck Fuuka from Persona 3. "Akihiko-senpai is in trouble!" YES, I KNOW, YOU STUPID WHORE. FUCK OFF. I'VE GOTTEN MORE HELP FROM GODDAMNED SLIPPY TOAD FROM STAR FOX 64. HE DIDN'T TELL ME DUMB SHIT THAT I ALREADY KNOW.
Most shameful part is that I banged her in that game too. Don't know what I was thinking.
kriken00 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:54:26 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"Master, there is an 85% chance that what I am saying is completely redundant, considering you were just told what to do seconds ago."
And her text is slow as fuck and always long and unskippable.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:36:03 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Fi was really weird, if there was a complex puzzle she would explain every single tiny step in far too much detail so there was no challenge at all... But then, if there was something like a small slightly hidden door that is easy to miss, not a peep, and you spend 20 minutes wondering what the hell are you supposed to do. She made the hard bits of that game piss easy and unrewarding and the 'easy' bits were made annoying through the game design.
I liked Fi's character development though. As the game progresses, she still talks a lot, but she started learning what was important to say and what was just pointless and obvious. When Link puts the Master Sword back at the end, as annoying as she was, I found myself sad to see her leaving forever. It's like that one character in your favorite show that's just insufferable, but once they leave/die/etc, the show just loses all its charm.
ceedubs2 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:02:27 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, I've never experienced that.
Twad_feu ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:10:55 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Really, Fi is something to be experienced to be understood.
An experience in how a game truly think the player is a total moron with no capacity to learn or remember anything.. and never letting go of that assumption. Even for the little things like rupees that lie on the ground and trash loot you haze dozens of already.
And they forgot to actually make her usefull in the first place. Want useful tips for that puzzle room? Need a hint for that boss? Ehh.. nope! How about some sweet unrelated statistics instead?
Dtrain16 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:11:48 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
She just wants to make sure you know that you are bad at the game. Just to rub it in.
I don't think Navi is annoying either. The only time I found her annoying was during my first playthrough. I couldn't figure out how to get into the fire temple, and assumed I needed to come back later. I turned Hyrule upside down looking for anything that might help me get into the temple, and all the while Navi was telling me to turn around and go back to Death Mountain. I eventually looked online and discovered that I was supposed to move the statue in Darunia's room. So, I refuse to be mad at Navi, because I was a moron and should've listened to her.
All of the complaints about Ocarina of Time are either stupid or whiny. "The Water Temple is too hard", "Navi won't shut up", "The owl won't stop talking if I don't pay attention when he asks me if he needs to repeat himself" or if you're that idiot Egoraptor, "It's not a good Zelda game because it isn't topdown like A Link to the Past". Every single complaint is a gigantic exaggeration on how bad things really are, especially when Ocarina of Time is one of the best Zelda games ever. If you really can't play a video game without bitching about every tiny annoyance, you really shouldn't be playing it in the first place
Or him giving passes to ALTTP for things he criticizes in OoT. Opening a chest animation is horrible and takes an eternity but having to tediously run around the level looking for the big chest to get your damn prize was "like running down stairs on Christmas morning". The shooting eye puzzles were lazy but having to push against random blocks until a door opens is fine.
Some of that I think he just fucking sucked at. How did he get hit by the moving spikes? They have a very clear pattern, they make a noise, and they never blind sight you. Same with bats. Just pay attention.
skavoc ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:40:42 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Honestly, Fi was so much more patronizing to me. Navi was annoying, yeah. But Fi made me feel like a child.
I agree that Navi was pretty annoying. But it was their first transition into a huge 3D world. They wanted to have something to drop clues to your next destination without blatantly obvious map icons showing you exactly where to go. They also needed a medium to reveal enemy weakness. So they bundled it up into Navi.
If OoT was made today there would have been sufficient technology to have a STFU option.
petard ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 01:06:22 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You'd think so but have you played Skyward Sword? Fi was a million times worse than Navi and interrupted the game constantly. Navi you could usually just ignore and keep going. Weird because Twilight Princess pulled it off perfectly with Midna.
Navi was so bad because she annoys you the whole game (although not nearly as bad as people let on) and then fucking DITCHES you when you need to Z target the most! I was so pissed!
Joppop1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:26:20 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Navi is basically if Roman from GTA died and turned into a fairy.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:40:17 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Without Navi, Majoras Mask would have never happened
For some reason noone in the West likes Tingle whilst in Japan he has had several spin-off games.
Sure, he's got an unusual hobby and still lives with his dad but he's an earnest worker with a talent for Cartography and who can afford to move out in this economy anyway...
Legend of Zelda is as widely known as Star Wars, it is truly a part of nerd culture.
And navi and God damn gamora gabora (the fucking owl) are universally hated. Except we won't be seeing a Navi post about her being ganon's lackey unlike the Darth jar jar theory.
I seem to be the only one who never had an issue with being able to read properly and not having Kaebora Gaebora repeat himself a hundred times. Y'all only have yourselves to blame for that one. Plus I like his theme!
Good point. Because I am old and talking about a game from 1996, expecting everyone to still be familiar with it. FML.
Trind ยท 44 points ยท Posted at 17:45:26 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I remember. And God was he annoying. Falco was too, but not like Slippy. I wanted to leave him behind on that one level where the boss grabs him and you have to save him. I was hoping I could just let him die and the game would continue without him. I have so much pent up rage for this fictional anthropomorphic frog.
ceedubs2 ยท 47 points ยท Posted at 18:28:35 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah Slippy would be ringing for help within ten seconds of the level start. But I hated Falco more. I just purposely shot him every time he was being a dick.
saves Falco
"Gee, I've been saved by Fox. How swell."
shoots Falco into oblivion
"Whoa, guys! I'm gonna have to back off."
FourBox ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 20:22:11 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"Hey Einstein, I'm on your side"
Gmr_Leon ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:21:21 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Cool thing is, Falco's way toned down (if your paraphrases are accurate) in Adventures and Assault, so he's not as much of a dick. Heck, in those he's a fantastic help at times, tossing you bombs/missiles right when you might need them.
Would prefer health rings, honestly, but hey, take what you can get I guess.
Kbratch ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:08:01 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And then they go and kill Peppy. He wasn't annoying in the N64 game.
Taervon ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 22:03:37 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Wow, I still remember being so excited for that release. I still play through it from time to time. I still have the promotional VHS from Nintendo Power packed up somewhere.
Edit: After rewatching this, it's really creepy how the Sega guy has chloroform and knockout gas on hand.
The ship missions were awesome but the ones where you run around suck cocks
Gmr_Leon ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:24:33 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They're definitely not great, but I kind of love the way they're not great. The hyperfast run speed with Fox (compared to other third-person shooters) feels so arcadey and liberating.
The haphazardly placed health packs though are complete crap.
That game started as a completely different game called Dinosaur Planet, and halfway through, they randomly decided to make it a Star Fox game. And it feels like that. I blame that game for the decline of the franchise. Before that game, Star Fox was nearly on par with the Mario and Zelda series, because each entry was fantastic. Most Star Fox fans felt that they should have left it Dinosaur Planet and made a proper, space-vehicle shooter sequel to Star Fox 64. This year, we will finally get it. They had better not fuck it up.
RSP16 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 19:43:18 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
sambres8 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:24:24 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Assault for GameCube was solid
SansGray ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:26:40 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Star Fox adventures was awesome!
Funkays ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:32:08 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
From what I hear and the limited I played, it needs work.
They're incentivizing use of the game pad screen thing instead of allowing you to just use it as a controller and enjoy the game.
Aiming was a bit skewed transitioning between screens. On the tv you look lines up but your shots didn't hit. Then you'd look at the pad screen (which was first person) and see your crosshairs was way off.
So u can get a nice view of the game and its world while missing all your shots; or see limited parts of the world due to first person perspective, but hit all your shots.
I'm sure they'll work it out though and it won't be too gimmicky.
Considering it was the first game in the series I played, it being "unsatisfying" was an understatement. I still think it's a really good game, but it definitely has one of the worst endings/eleventh-hour plot twists in a video game ever.
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 20:22:36 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Horny teenage me used to get these weird wet dreams about slippy even though i hated slippy. then i found out slippy was a guy and i felt even more weirded out by these dreams, but for some reason more turned on.
Slippy was the only actual useful wingman though. If his ship got destroyed during a level you didn't get the health meter on the boss. If Peppy or Falco got destroyed it made no difference.
Slippy Toad...Christ, that useless ass nearly made me put a fist through a television. And not one of these thin plasma ones either, nah, one of those pyramid brick sized boxes that could crush a kid.
Ugh god, Slippy. I love me some space furries as much as the next guy, but this fucking kid gets himself in trouble less than a minute into the mission.
Even though I know they are useful and can help you go different directions, as a kid, I'd always shoot them down so I would have to hear them talking to me as I played the game. Best feature in the game was friendly fire.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:39:13 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Because half of reddit is younger than that game.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:50:02 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
[deleted] ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 21:18:43 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's just his voice. The high pitch, the absurd noises like in the diving scene, etc. They need to redub his voice in a deep voice with an alien language and put in normal english subtitles and he would become tolerable for me
tdogg8 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 00:20:00 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Nah, the tongue shenanigans would still be ridiculous.
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 00:43:56 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah those scenes would be ridiculous, but I think he'd be tolerably ridiculous, at least for me. Part of what made those scenes so annoying for me was that he was such an insufferable character already that everything he did made my eyes roll. Like Jabba's pet in ROTJ, yeah that thing's laugh was super annoying but it would be so much worse if it had been a main character with tons of dialogue in that screechy tone
Yep, I feel like the voices played the biggest part of the gungan failure. Redub them and people would instantly be less annoyed by the infamous gungan plotline.
DrSmoke ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 01:08:07 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No, its literally ever single thing about the character. Jar Jar is only there to sell merch to little babies, and keep their attention during the movie. He has no reason to be there at all. And is the perfect representation for why everything about the prequels is terrible.
I put Kai Winn in the same category as Joffrey Baratheon - AMAZING actors playing hateable antagonist characters, but we LOVE to hate them!
I agree, that was not a painful enough death for Kai Winn, but she was a fantastic antagonist and definitely an asset to the storylines. :-)
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 06:49:17 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yessssss! I'm so happy that she got what she deserved in season 7.
Pay attention the next time you see it on tv. Every episode is circled in a "memory fog". The shows are everyones memories of caillou before he died. That's why the kid never gets in real trouble.
Serath62 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:03:11 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No wonder everyone just tolerates that insufferable little shit
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:15:15 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:21:29 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:03:17 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The original books were about a much younger kid. Like a baby. Which is why he was bald and why he is generally so scared and confused all the time. They realized a cartoon with a baby protagonist wouldn't work, but they still made the show. And when they aged him up they didn't bother to change either his appearance or behavior.
I have a theory for Caillou. Personally, I have no issue with him. Why? Because I just see a 3yr old being a 3yr old.
I think everyone hates on him because, news flash, they see what a pain in the ass a small child can be, and they go "Fuck that little twat. My kid isn't/won't be that bad! My kid is/will be better and behaved!" while being completely oblivious to the fact that Caillou is, basically, just an average small child learning shit. Basically, all parents think their children are/will be snow flakes.
My theory is everyone doesn't realize he's just an average 3-4 year old and that's exactly how the average 3-4 year old is. They hate him because "My kid won't be that misbehaved/whiny/whatever", when in reality, it's just their rose tinted glasses being on.
I used to watch Caillou because background noise (During my summers in high school when I wasn't at work) and all I ever saw was a kid on tv being the same as the kids I used to help baby sit. In that, a potentially whiny little selfish sod... That also had the capability to be kind, patient, and generally well behaved child when they weren't sleep deprived/bad mood/whatever.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 20:48:12 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I remember seeing my advisor in college to register for classes/ help apply to law school. She used to complain about this asshole which was weird because it was completely irrelevant to why I came to talk to her.
And the humorous thing about this is when the nerds explain why they hate him and how he isn't "realistic" (or how the show is "nerd blackface"), they unwittingly sound exactly like those main characters.
bl1y ยท 2612 points ยท Posted at 16:59:35 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't like how the show is so dumb. It's not a nerd comedy, it's a traditional sitcom with nerd characters. Basically if everyone on Friends was Ross.
[deleted] ยท 1765 points ยท Posted at 18:57:33 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
menashem ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:55:59 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I honestly think I pulled a muscle in my chest laughing so hard at that scene, just crunched up can't breath laughing. The whole show is fantastically written and performed, but that finale was something else
I like the show but I do find it quite irritating that they're all so fucking incompetent. Every time they get a break it gets fucked up somehow and they have to reeroll the boulder up the hill trying to break even. Everything else is great; but they really need to find someone who can actually run a business and not try and steal it from them.
Just because you're a great programmer doesn't mean you're great at business.
And there plenty of real life examples of rich purple trying to steal from or crush startups.
[deleted] ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 04:36:57 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
As someone who is IN a startup similar to the one depicted in the show... I can say that YES, a lot of the situations are over-the-top, but not as over-the-top as you might think. None of us REALLY know how to run a business. We're just making it up as we go along. Sometimes we do really well, and sometimes, things go horrifically wrong. Like that time we had very expensive, essential equipment damaged by rain.
Some of the parallels we have to the show are astonishing.
ageowns ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:45:47 on January 4, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Also the show wouldn't be funny if they were successful and had no struggle... I admit, it's a little one loss for every gain, and it could be handled a little better, but if they make it stable or rich, it won't be funny.
YES! 100% agree with this. The constant problems and struggles got a bit stale for me towards the end of season 2. I just want them to spend some time succeeding as a company and having drug-filled parties with liquor and whores, instead of constantly facing another uphill battle.
vrgr23 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:18:55 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't know. Entourage was all about glorifying the characters' lifestyle, it wasn't satiric at all. Silicon Valley is the opposite of that. It's about lampooning the pompous and full of itself culture of silicon valley. Many of the jokes and characters are based on real people and events.
You're absolutely right. But it's pretty similar in terms of plotting. Success -> setback -> success -> setback, etc. That said, I like it way more than Entourage for all the reasons you mentioned.
I saw the one scene about the efficiency of jacking off as many socks as possible. It reminded me of some of the most annoying loser nerds I have ever known, and now I have no interest at all in that show. Both those shows are painful for different reasons if you have been exposed to real horrifically cringe needs which I have the displeasure to be related to.
Even BETAS is way better than TBBT, and it's still not a perfect take on geeks.
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 00:03:43 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Glad people are giving this show more love instead of just mentioning IT Crowd. I hate IT Crowd. It isn't funny to me, the acting sucks, and it juat seems more like need pandering to me. Silicon Valley is closer to how my computer programmer friends and myself act than anything I've ever seen. None of that stupid "this is the internet" followed by the laugh track reddit only hates when it's in big bang theory.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 00:57:22 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
A lot of that probably comes from the fact that Mike Judge used to be a programmer and lived in Silicon Valley
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:23:01 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's why I love mike judge so much. I'm a computer programmer from texas, so I've always found his stuff very relatable lol.
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 01:32:00 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I can only assume IT Crowd gets more love because its not American and/or on a major US network. In kind of a non-mainstream "most people in US haven't heard of it" kind of way. Especially if at the time you had to basically torrent it to watch it.
Countdown is perhaps the best, but it's also one of the last. The one with the robbery is great, but I don't recall the name. Also the one with the fire at the sea park.
"The Speech" (the one with The Internet) is probably the most referenced, and it is great, but likely one you've seen.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:16:58 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
IT Crowd started a year before Big Bang. Technically "longer" but not in a relevant way.
Like Big Bang, most of the humour is just contrast between "nerds" and non "nerds" and the laugh track is equally as distracting.
An important difference is they don't try to make the characters super-nerds who somehow like every nerdy thing. The characters also aren't constantly hostile to each other. The supporting cast is also much funnier.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:18:10 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The characters are hostile to each other on Big Bang? I know on Silicon Valley, it's far more hostile than BBT but at the same time, the closest to how my friends and I actually act. If I were to kind of attach some different shows to eras though, BBT was probably the closest to my teenage years, IT Crowd closest to my college years, and SV closest to my mid-20s and beyond.
I mean the BBT guys are basically how my friends I were, just as teens, not 35 year old professionals.
[deleted] ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 20:17:54 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This is always my argument against Big Bang. God that show sucks, but Caley Cuoco is TOO fine ๐
It's bot even really a traditional sitcom. It distinctly lacks either comedic situations or jokes.
CQReborn ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 19:45:26 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I've heard someone describe it as something along the lines of "Big Bang Theory is a show wrote by people who aren't nerds writing what they think nerds are like"
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 05:33:19 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's not just that the show is dumb. It's that the show is mean. There are sitcoms that do mean well; Sunny, The League, Peepshow, et cetera; they are self-aware about it; they embrace it; it's almost their premise. TBBT (and pretty much every Chuck Lorre show) are like that douche who points at someone and says "hey, look at that freak over there" and responds with "whoa, it's just a joke" when people call him out on it. These shows use people as punchlines. Fat people, gay people, trans people, addicts, the mentally ill. If there is an easy target, these shows have shot for it and then given themselves a high five for doing it, all while maintaining its all in good fun. It's lazy, and meaningless, and demoralizing, and I'm tired of people saying that people who have gripes with this are just overly critical snobs.
bl1y ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:40:53 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Spot on.
There's room to make fun of people, but you make that the point of view of a character, not of the show. This is why House gets away with a lot. The character makes fun of people, but the show's point of view is that he's an asshole for doing so. No one on the show is written as a schmuck, except perhaps Talb.
I read the books (after the show came out). The first season of the show was exceedingly boring compared to the book it influenced, and that's saying something.
It almost hurts my brain to see GoT be compared to Big Bang, but you're right and exactly why I stopped trying. If you can't get past dragons and olden times to see the underlying brilliance of the overall story, nothing I say will change that.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 09:15:48 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I love dragons and olden times. I just like decent writing and interesting characters too. Martin has written some good stuff, but ASoIaF is not among those things. The TV show wasn't better.
It get's better later on I thought because they stopped trying to inforce their nerdiness and Sheldon's awkardness into every fucking scene. They chilled out a bit and made actually funny jokes instead of "hey look we we're nerds isn't that weird! hahaha we're so awkward"
Still a fairly shit show though that I won't watch on purpose
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:06:55 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
It definitely became more generic and amicable for the general public, and I am a big fan of sitcoms. I guess because all the characters annoyed the fuck out of me for 2/3 seasons when it was toned down it seems a lot better. I still don't actually like it but it's more watchable for me.
The characters just annoyed me so much. Everything about all 4 of the main guys annoyed me (especially bazinga and soft kitty and anything else Sheldon says). But it stopped being about Sheldon's robotic-ness as much, and Leonard's awkwardness, and eventually if I remember Howard stopped being such a rapist. So I think it became better in comparison.
Sebbatt ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 05:38:25 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"Oh my! This is reminiscent of an Oedipus Complex!"
::HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA::
hybris12 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:51:03 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
BAZOOPER
[deleted] ยท 66 points ยท Posted at 18:34:10 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Every time I catch an episode of TBBT, I'm just blown away how absolutely shitty they treat their boyfriends (husbands now, I think?) and it's played off as a funny joke.
Especially because there's this context there that they'll never leave their girlfriends because "who else will love me?" even when their girlfriend openly ridicules them about their job/hobbies/looks/etc.
Not so much Amy, as Bernadette and the other one. I don't remember her name. I thought Amy was ok and she didn't deserve Sheldon being a dick to her.
[deleted] ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 19:49:10 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's the thing. I really wanted to like Bernadette, cuz holy shit is that actress ever my type. But she just gets more and more sneaky and outright abusive as time goes on.
I think the idea is, that she is dominating Howard the same way his mother did, and that's what he loves.
He's also a childish man-baby. Of course his wife is angry.
It makes sense. It just isn't funny.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 07:40:28 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
None of their relationships make any sense any more. The show is now about the three women with successful careers (even Penny) who somehow put up with their loser boyfriends who read comic books for children and play with lasers all day, pretending that they have real jobs. The guys have absolutely no redeeming qualities anymore and there's no way any girl would ever even talk to them.
I think they changed writers at some point because the later seasons really did turn into the "nerd blackface" show the internet loved to paint it as.
xmarwinx ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 21:26:26 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Howard is a much worse spouse than Bernadette tho. She works all day while he plays videogames and stuff, and then she comes home and he expects her to cook.
This. I really agree, however I hated how creepy Howard was. Bernadette made him grow up and gave him a sense of manhood, and now he's my favorite character.
iFinity ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:16:39 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's why season 1 and 2 are the only seasons worth watching.
The thing is, now the whole series is about their romantic relationships rather than those being a side line and their interests being at the forefront.
the1npc ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 23:10:52 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Friends was always terrible
bl1y ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:16:26 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Season 1 they get Reductio Ad Absurdum wrong. Not even a little bit close; they call it a logical fallacy. That's like saying Darwin argued against evolution.
aussydog ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:15:41 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
As sad as it sounds...each additional female character they added the worse the show got.
Hahaha lactose intolerance!!!!!
Hahaha peanut allergies!!! Soooo funny!!!
Hahaha nerd movies and comic books ZOMG!!!!!! LAUGH TRACK EXPLOSION!!!!
Nzash ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:09:14 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This is true. At least then it wasn't just another relationship sitcom. Now they all have their own gf and it's just become a trash show with nothing but relationship drama and comedy like you find in any other show.
Arjunnn ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 18:04:14 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ennion ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 18:43:59 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's a show making fun of nerds and asperger's syndrome.
This is why nerds don't like it and the general population thinks it's hilarious. It's almost at 200 episodes.
[deleted] ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 18:53:15 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
It's a show making fun of nerds and asperger's syndrome. This is why nerds don't like it
I don't think so. In fact, I don't think it's even making fun of nerds. Nerds don't like it for one of three things:
1: They just don't think it's that funny.
2: The constant *pause for laughter* annoys them.
3: They haven't given the show a chance, and assume it's actually making fun of nerds, rather than making fun of people exactly like Sheldon (who, y'know, don't exist in real life).
The #3 guys royally tick me off.
Ennion ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:25:03 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I know someone very well who isn't a physics genius, but almost identical to the way he is.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:36:21 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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bl1y ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 19:41:58 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The characters aren't very smart though. They're the classic TV-smart, where they have some smart credentials, but never act intelligently. We're told they're smart, we don't witness them being smart.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:13:14 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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bl1y ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:04:34 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's not a show about smart people any more than House is a show about a kind doctor.
It was never meant to be a nerd comedy. It's a satire of how people view nerd culture from the outside it by pushing that to the extreme. It's kinda stopped being that for most characters later on as they grew as characters and became more realistic, and there are scenes where they try to mix the realism with the satire and it just becomes cringe-worthy. But it's not nerd comedy, nobody thinks nerds are actually like this. If you watch it through that lens then some of it, especially the earlier stuff, becomes funny. Not that I'm saying you should go watch it, but having watched most of the show myself I can say that it was initially and most of it currently is meant as satire.
Isn't that the point? I don't get the massive amount of hate that Big Bang Theory gets. It's very popular, it's funny to it's target audience, and it's obviously very successful. It's like their stereotypes hit some people too close to home and they get defensive or some shit. I don't get it.
bl1y ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:33:44 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They don't hit close to home, they're just mean.
The show is basically just a chance for people to feel superior. Of course that's going to be popular, and of course is going to upset people who are the butt of the non-jokes.
Imagine King of the Hill, but from a point if view of contempt for Hank, rather than a show that seeks to understand and empathize with him.
That's what sitcoms are, though. A clique of ridiculous caricatures, and yet the only people who seem to take it seriously are the people who feel that BBT is somehow representing them.
bl1y ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:33:59 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't think anyone who truly enjoys the show believes it's nerd comedy. It's "I have nerd friends" comedy.
Reddit hates the show because too many of them are the people being made fun of.
lava172 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:51:01 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The first couple seasons are actually good, which is sad because all anybody talks about is the garbage that it now is. It's a pretty good show before they all meet girls. After that point it's just nerd Friends
bl1y ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:52:42 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I barely tolerated the first season. The jokes are just stale and obvious.
Zudane ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:10:20 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This is exactly why I can't stand to watch it. It's really just a sitcom with nerdy characters.
bl1y ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:12:39 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They're shitty nerds though.
They're as nerdy as Tim on Home Improvement is handy, except Tim's failures at home repair are meant to be funny, and are often the result of him simply pushing the envelop too far with more power. On Big Bang they get the nerd stuff wrong, but it's because the writers just don't get any of it. Real nerds would have researched their subject matter better. Or at all.
Zudane ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:41:32 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I can see you're really into this... But yea that's a great analogy.
bl1y ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:09:31 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
norcat ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:48:18 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's not a nerd comedy, it's a traditional sitcom with nerd characters.
Yep, all Chuck Lorre creations are (traditional sitcoms). This is the same guy who created Two and a Half Men and Dharma and Greg. It boggles my mind why anyone would have any different expectations for Big Bang Theory.
bl1y ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:26:00 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He wrote 5 episodes of Roseanne.
...Though I'm not familiar enough to recognize which.
You say that, but in the early seasons, I heard conversations that were eerily similar to ones that the two most spaced out nerds in my math doctoral program had. The dialog managed to nail that divorced from reality quality that people like this have. It's just that most people in the program were not like that nor are most of my colleagues now. It's a minority.
I hate The Big Bang Theory, but a show that is basically Friends with Ross as every character sounds amazing, if only for the opening credits sequence of all the Rosses in the fountain splashing each other.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:30:50 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's a gimmicky sitcom that doesn't make me laugh. That's why I don't like it. I'll stick to Seinfeld re-runs.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:49:04 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Stupid show about smart people. Unlike a show like arrested development which is the opposite; a smart show about stupid people.
Read something similar to the above here on this website.
bl1y ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:01:41 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They're not smart people though. They're stupid people who we're told are smart.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:12:07 on January 4, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
huh?
The show is fiction, right? They are playing physicist, scientists and engineers who teach at a MiT like school; whether or not they are actually smart their roles in the show are supposed to be actual smart/genius people.
I watch shows and films all the time where some person is supposed to be smart, but I happen to know a little bit about the field they are supposed to be an expert in and catch myself saying "hey! that's not how that works!" (or something similar) and I have to remind myself, it's just a show and they are playing a character.
So, yeah, they might not actually be smart, but their characters are supposed to be and as viewers we should expect them to be the smart people of their world (just like the fact that Chris Hemsworth can't actually fly).
bl1y ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:07:02 on January 4, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If you want a smart character in your story we can't just be told they're smart, we have to see them doing smart things. Show, don't tell, and all that.
What TBBT does is just ask you to believe they're smart instead of writing them smart. If you want Superman to fly, you better get some special effects. Don't show me him running and ask me to imagine him in flight. Don't give me dumb writing and ask me to pretend it's smart.
I'm willing to suspend disbelief. I'm not willing to create the whole damn character.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:00:44 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Honestly every show w a laugh track is 10000 times worse than it would b with out it
Vinvect ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:46:56 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I keep telling people that Big Bang Theory is a dumb show that pretends to be smart, while Futurama is a smart show that pretends to be stupid.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:10:23 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
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bl1y ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:21:22 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The show treats its characters with contempt. Compare with King of the Hill or Rosanne.
They aren't compatible. Leonard does all he can to get with a girl and once he does he becomes a douche and pushes her away. Penny just tries to be blissfully ignorant wants to only take from every relationship she is in.
bearkin1 ยท 374 points ยท Posted at 19:09:15 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Leonard does all he can to get with a girl and once he does he becomes a douche and pushes her away.
That's actually realistic though. If you don't date many people and go after one girl for a long time, building her up to astronomical levels in your head, if you finally get with her, she might not live up to your expectations.
vxx ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 20:15:04 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
There's also people that manipulate their own relationships because they don't feel worth it deep inside.
See, I thought Leonard was just kind of a douche. He doesn't really care about Penny any more than the meathead douchebags she usually dates. He just wants to get with the hot chick, and she's the only one he has a chance with.
That doesn't make him a douche, that is what people are naturally like you go for the mate which offers the best offspring. Looks, intellect and location.
That's true, I guess I should clarify. The part I don't like about him is that he comes off as self-righteous to me. Like, he seems to fancy himself as more refined than those other guys, but he isn't.
karlw1 ยท -11 points ยท Posted at 00:46:28 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
But that doesn't fit in with reddit's hatred of the show, so you're wrong.
Edit: you're actually right. Qualified because i am said guy that can't get a girl then pushes them away.
Deto ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 18:52:48 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah I was hoping the show would develop them more to show why they work together other than "she's hot" and "he's nice to her"
lava172 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 01:59:22 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I hate Sheldon and Amy more. They're perfectly compatible but their relationship is basically "Ha! Human relationships sure are weird things" as they're in a human relationship
Every relationship has a "reacher" and a "settler." Those roles are pretty exaggerated in Big Bang, but I even have friends who have a similar relationship dynamic. So it's not all together unfathomable.
Also, the "reacher-settler" thing came from How I Met Your Mother, which I consider to be the best sitcom of my generation (I'm 32).
emicattt ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 01:32:58 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Definitely not every relationship. Of myself and everyone I know, no-one has had a healthy or lasting relationship where the partners weren't equal.
Edit - healthy relationships are people who like each other! Not people "settling" for someone they think isn't quite good enough.
When I was watching it for the first time, that episode made me a little uncomfortable because I'm in a wheelchair and not stoked to be reminded of it(also some of the gay stuff was a bit much). But towards the end... Shoot I kind of forget what happened now, but Jen ran into Roy with the wheelchair I think, like "...w...t...f..." and they get through that and then when she turns around and Moss is behind the bar suddenly working there, I absolutely lost it! Hardest I'd laughed in ages.
_ak ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 01:03:00 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My wife and I regularly quote the "I'm disabled" and "leg-disabled" in all kinds of appropriate and inappropriate contexts, in the right high-pitched voice.
That episode is just fantastically written, and fantastically acted. Probably the culmination of Graham Linehan's work.
It got 2? I thought they only made the pilot. Which was the first brittish episode with american actors. And Moss, for some inexplicable reason.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:38:48 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They inexplicably had Joel McHale as wossname. it was terrible in every regard.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:52:50 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He's not a terrible actor though I just don't think he works for a nerd role. Donald Glover would much better suit the funny nerd role
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:11:19 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You're right he isn't a terrible actor. Donglover would have been good. But an American version is just silly.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:23:33 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Why do they make American versions of British Tv shows? I saw the American Versions of the Office and the Inbetweeners and I thought they were far worse in quality.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:20:03 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
It took all the subtlety and the relatable humour from the British version (as in you could actually believe this was a real office) and made into this loud dumbed-down American thing.
I also just don't like American humour so that's probably the main reason I don't like The American Office.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:50:05 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The American Office is many times better then the British one. That's the only time they successfully took a British show and not only made it good but made it better.
[deleted] ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 19:23:07 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Do so, if awkward goofy British comedy is your thing.
I had the same reaction. I just could not make it through another episode after the first one.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:00:41 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It was fine when I watched it. Did you try turning it off and on again?
mucow ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:18:38 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
When evaluating shows, I always count the first episode as a freebie. The tone of the first episode is often very different than the rest of the series.
That said, I'm not a huge fan of the IT Crowd, but they have a few good episodes.
Kougi ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 19:51:49 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
To be fair, sometimes the first episode of a show was made as a low budget pilot to present to producers, so it's only by the 2nd episode that they actually have all the resources that they need.
answers phone "I.T, Have you tried turning it off and on again?" hangs up
anilsen ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:10:27 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And if you want even more hardcore nerdery read BOFH (Bastard Operator From Hell). BOFHs Wikipedia page, describing the main characters.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:35:35 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Richard Ayoade is my favorite, but I don't like the IT Crowd. But I tend not to like office comedies in general, so I guess I shouldn't have expected to like it.
Except it's actually funny. And has likeable characters.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:22:12 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
As a British IT guy, I have no idea why I've never watched this.
PC509 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:44:22 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
One of the best shows ever about the topic. A lot of real life stuff in there. :) If you work with computers, there are going to be some parts that you'll think "That's not funny. That shit happened yesterday.".
I'm so sad it's over, though. It was very very well done.
The IT crowd is great. However be sure you're watching the British version with Chris O'Dowd. I heard they made an American version that wasn't that good.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:34:09 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
i really want to like this show, because the jokes are clever and well acted, but the fucking laugh track gets to me its so overdone
There's no way two PhD physicists with research positions at a university wouldn't be able to afford their own houses and have to share an apartment together.
I know it's the whole premise of the show and highlights the main character's social ineptitude, but come on man, those guys wouldn't be hurting for money.
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Enfants ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 04:15:59 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Postdocs can be badly paid, but the position after that should be noticeably better. Don't lie which stage these characters were on, though; I don't watch the show.
Because it's people who don't understand nerds writing a massive nerd, for a show targeted at people who aren't nerds, and the result is an unflattering, unkind mockery. Not necessarily always an inaccurate one, but it definitely feels like they're laughing at not laughing with.
50paisa ยท 44 points ยท Posted at 18:03:42 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Also most of the jokes are just nerdy/scientific lingo said very fast, there is very little advancement in the plot, character development is unbearably slow and often stagnant, and of course, the usual CBS sitcom criticism of the show not being funny unless it has a laugh track.
puckit ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 19:21:29 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
To be fair, all sitcoms tend to focus more on the jokes than any plot or character development. But I agree with you about the laugh track. I honestly think if it wasn't for that, most people wouldn't recognize most of the punchlines.
50paisa ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 19:36:41 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's true, but shows like Friends, HIMYM, both of which had laugh tracks, actually had character development and a plot that moved forward. The Big Bang Theory hasn't really changed all that much since it started and doesn't seem to be moving towards anything. It's like okay, so the nerds got the girls, now what?
If you you want character development, watch a drama. Sitcom=situation comedy. Not character development comedy.
50paisa ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:27:11 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's not the point. If you watch a show for a long time, you expect the characters to grow and change, regardless of genre. I agree, sitcoms are meant to be funny, but if the story isn't going anywhere and characters aren't growing over time, what's the point of even watching?
overly sensitive, wanna be nerds who can't take a joke want to gain acceptance of others on reddit by pretending to be offended by a stupid sitcom. that's all it is - they want to feel superior to the general public so they complain about the show. As a larger man who married way up in the looks department, you don't see me hating EVERY FUCKING SITCOM EVER about married guys being bafoons. People need to lighten the fuck up.
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[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:17:36 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They would be making at least 60k (starting salary for post doc) up to say 120k as a rough idea. Howard would likely be making the most due to the engineering background.
Fun fact, the actress that plays Amy actually has a PhD in neuroscience. She put her PhD under the miscellaneous section of her resume when she auditioned, and they decided to incorporate that into the character.
She was Blossom from the NBC show. I'm pretty sure they knew who she was, and didn't give her the role because of what they noticed about her resume during an audition.
Prior to her joining the cast, in the episode "The Bat Jar Conjecture", Raj suggests recruiting the real-life Bialik to their Physics Bowl team, saying "You know who's apparently very smart is the girl who played TV's Blossom. She got a Ph.D. in Neuroscience or something."
Sorry, I think I was unclear. I meant that they made her character a neuroscientist because she was also a neuroscientist. I got my information from when she was telling it on Conan. Link to the interview: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wKPr7rYSQd8
So maybe it was serendipity? And they had already selected her for her role before Raj's comment? Sorry I insinuated that you made that story up, I feel pretty bad about it.
Haha no need to feel bad, just a misunderstanding. It happens. It's real nice of you to apologize though, I've talked with commenters who have insinuated much worse things and don't care at all when I try to clarify.
fareven ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 20:35:44 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The apartment building where Leonard, Sheldon and Penny live hasn't had the elevator repaired or any upgrades to the lobby or laundry room in nearly a decade. This indicates to me that they don't live in a very high rent neighborhood.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 21:39:50 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
given what i've seen from the show though (which is admittedly not a lot) their personality types seem like they would have/want roommates even if they didn't need them.
basically they're just like kids living in a club house.
I don't like how they all get these woman they have nothing in common with. You're really telling me these nerdy guys with good jobs can't find a similar atteaction woman who likes comics and video games too.
Amy and Sheldon sort of work because they are both neurotic genius weirdos.
Sheldon doesn't need a roommate, he could cover the rent for both his and Penny's apartments if he wanted to. He just needs someone around to give him a ride to work and things he doesn't know how to do in life.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:37:55 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They definitely wouldn't need to have roommates, though Pasadena (they teach at CalTech, right?) is quite pricey. But they're not all too good looking. I would say that, by conventional standards, they're probably less attractive than the average professors and/or scientists.
fougare ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:44:31 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Sheldon has a lot of money in savings and hidden across the apartment. I imagine Leonard does as well. Sheldon also doesn't drive (unless he started sometime after season 5) so he has the need for a chaffeur.
They all seem to eat an ungodly amount of take out/delivery, go out to the point of having assigned restaurants on days of the week, and have frequent comic store days and other not-so-cheap hobbies. I'm assuming a lot of that money goes into that.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 09:49:01 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I really don't see how any of them are "too good looking" except Penny.
I think someone actually pointed out that the show lost its luster not because the guys misrepresented nerds but because the introduction of women into their lives. The entire point of Penny was that she hung out with people she shouldn't because she was so idealized by them. Then each of them snags retardedly attractive women, so, Penny's role seizes to make sense.
Adamname ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:08:45 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ceases
qx87 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:58:36 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They never cook
[deleted] ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 18:05:46 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They do get Chinese food and pizza pretty often it seems.
Yep. I've worked with moderate level autistic children a while back. I remember one kid that would interact with me pretty well, but couldn't speak, and if you touched him, he'd act like he was peeling off the air over where you touched as if to rid himself of your essence that you left behind.
As someone who is autistic, don't do that. Hell, don't even sit near me.
Arty6060 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 01:48:12 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And then the writers completely contradict that by saying he was tested as a kid and they found no mental disability. It's as if their main goal is to enforce the stereotype.
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_ak ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 01:06:43 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I have no idea why you're being downvoted. Maybe it's the apostrophe, which wasn't present in /u/rosiedoes's post. That's what must be annoying some people on the artistic spectrum.
Rhals_ ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 02:19:54 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm on the Picasso end of the artistic spectrum and can confirm I'm annoyed.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 04:02:46 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, hence my saying 'or Aspergers' as in 'or high functioning autism by its more familiar name'. My friend has it and my best friend is a specialist care worker for adults who really do have extreme autism.
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stonebit ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 20:02:02 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Try telling an aspie that they don't have asperger's. I think they'll disagree with calling themselves autistic. I have first hand knowledge of both and they are quite different. Just because the name was removed from the DSM doesn't mean it's not different.
If you said that I'd ask you not refer to me as 'an aspie'. Maybe 'person with asperger's'?
Besides which, they are different in severity, but they're effectively the same condition.
Source: my support worker, who made a point of informing me that it was referred to as an autistic spectrum disorder rather than Asperger's.
stonebit ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:08:14 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
There are groups of people with asperger's and they refer to themselves as aspies. Personally, i just call them kids or people.
It is autism, but like i said, the difference between asperger's and full on autism is huge, hence the usefulness of calling this mild type of autism asperger's.
My source is first hand interacting every week with kids that are autistic or have asperger's.
Sooo, what you are telling me is I have nil mental problems? I thought Aspegers was now Autism. Although I had the mildest forms of Aspegers. Who knows what.
opto16 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:40:13 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Or some people are just a little socially strange. But lets diagnosis everything and give them medication.
Sheldon is socially strange indeed, but he does actually display several key aspects of aspergers /HFA.
Aspies often do not consider it to be a handicap or something bad, it is only different. Like different operating systems in humans, where there are pros and cons with the different systems.
klethra ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:43:16 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And exactly what meds would you give someone with autism or Asperger's? It's a helpful descriptor that lets people who could use some extra help get the help they need. Fuck off with this. The world has gotten so much better for people on the spectrum in the last thirty years it's not even funny. In the eighties, they would've been stuck in an institution and drugged 24/7.
opto16 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:07:16 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No in the 80's they would have been just a kid that was a little strange. Not a moderate Autistic child with special needs on adderall or ritalin. If you don't think kids are over medicated nowadays you are living under a rock. You don't have to give a diagnosis for every kid with some awkward social component. And yes I do fully understand autism is real and can be debilitating.
klethra ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:55:26 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I work with a guy who has autism and is currently unmedicated. In the 80s, he lived in a mental hospital where he was drugged up so hard that he slept upwards of 16 hours per day. I don't know where you're getting this idea that people didnt get medicated in the eighties, but it's completely wrong. Mental care has advanced incredibly since the deinstitutionalization movement began, but I sincerely hope you don't prefer lobotomies and ECT to drugs.
UAMS in Arkansas. I'd appreciate if you didn't make general statements like "medical students receive gifts from pharma companies" (paraphrased), and maybe I wouldn't feel the need to defend myself.
The study you link to explores pharma company involvement in "developing nations", and I would expect places like that to have more of a problem with private intrusion into medical students life.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 06:30:49 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
I'm not their carer, I don't have their medical records or the studies that they've been involved with and I imagine you know that it would be inappropriate to share them online even if I did. I do know that two of the six I'm familiar with through her do have additional disorders or difficulties - it's a unit for those with challenging behaviours, and disorders running parallel with autism are very common.
All I can reasonably tell you is that my friend and her colleagues, who are specialist carers at an autism-only unit, do consider some of their service users very intelligent and competent in ways that the average person would not expect from someone who cannot say more than a few dozen words.
But let's go back to the original point. Sheldon, if he were on the autism spectrum, would not be considered "extreme" he would be considered mild, at the end of the spectrum formerly (and by most people, still) associated with Asperger syndrome. The point being, someone who is short with their friends and doesn't really grasp normal emotions is really the tip of the iceberg with autism.
someone who is short with their friends and doesn't really grasp normal emotions is really the tip of the iceberg with autism.
Yes, that was my very first comment. Autism is a lack of ToM and high intelligent people can be as autistic as retarded people. But high intelligent people will have their intelligence to be able to survive on. Rainman is one of those kind of autists. Temple Grandin is another one who lives alone but actually has a job. But a lot of retarded people also have autism. And they can not live by themselves.
Well, indeed. Perhaps we're talking at cross purposes, somewhat.
We probably agree that the person I originally responded to didn't appreciate that whatever Sheldon's intelligence, in comparison to others on the spectrum, he would be considered far from extreme?
The problem though is the writers say he doesn't have autism, so they basically gave themselves a free pass to make jokes about autistic people without getting any of the flak for it.
Oh so THAT'S why they insist he's not autistic. Can't believe I didn't realize that.
TWiThead ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 22:36:22 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Contrast their series with Community, which featured this exchange in its pilot episode.
An actual diagnosis was never established, but Dan Harmon wasted no time acknowledging the likelihood (via other characters' hurtful derision and childish mockery, no less).
He does say his mother had him tested but his mother regrets not following up with another doctor.
rebelcan ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 05:56:59 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's my beef with the show too. When I point it out, people tend to get uncomfortable. Then again, I don't have to point it out often, as I don't know many people who like (or even watch) the show.
LOTM42 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:23:49 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What? It's a comedy they shouldn't need a pass to make jokes.
I have no problem with them making jokes about disabilities (I myself am moderately disabled) but if you're going to make jokes about a controversial subject you should be upfront about it.
LOTM42 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 03:32:57 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Why? Why should they be blunt and straightforward about it? What advantage does that bestow
I am a physicist. I understand the show is not full of intelligent comedy, but me and my classmates in physics did exactly the kind of shit that would happen in the show, which made it very entertaining for me at least. The situations can be pretty spot on. There was an episode where two of them are just sitting and staring at an equation on a whiteboard while Eye of the Tiger plays in the background, and I was like "Yeah, that's pretty much how it feels."
I'm a first year physics student, and every single one of my professors has talked about watching the show and liking it. I just don't get reddit's deal over hating it so much.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:42:18 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Did you also do laser balloon skeet shooting? Because that actually looks like a lot of fun to me.
The reason I hate it is because they use nerd Humour without any credibility or realism. Just made up shit that's insulting and panders to crowds who don't know the difference. In one episode sheldons world of warcraft account gets hacked and he cries over a stolen chocobo. Two entirely different games, wtf writers?
Hollywood writers slip stuff like that in (or the four hands on one keyboard scene from NCIS) to see if they can get away with it. They're gags that a lot of people won't pick up on.
Except in the show he is portrayed as an actual genius instead of thinking he is a genius. That's the part that is offensive its antiintellectualism. Also he's clearly autistic.
Hothera ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 19:51:30 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
There are plenty of actual geniuses who are very arrogant.
Landredr ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:10:47 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I probably dont know the show as well as you but I wasnt aware of any isolation. From everything I have seen, he had a very ordinary child hood in a standard texas household which is very much not isolation. Also even if I am wrong isolation doesnt explain a complete and total lack of social comprehension. He isnt awkward, he is genuinely confused by simple emotional concepts, and obsessive about particular types of details. Thats not the same as just not being able to pick up on social ques.
I think I hate Amy just a little bit more. Initially she was billed as the female Sheldon and that was alright. They needed a female nerd on the show, I guess, esp. since Penny and Bernadette aren't.
But I watched an episode really and she's definitely not the female nerd anymore. Like Sheldon and Co are the nerds, and Amy's the girlfriend they occasionally have to stop being nerds for. As a girl ... I dunno. It would've been cool to see them having a girl nerd somewhere in the crew, but now Amy's just socially awkward and a little desperate but without the interest in nerd culture.
I just hate him because I don't find it funny and he is a jerk.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:09:37 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm getting a degree in physics. I've finished all my classes, all I have left is student teaching which I start in a week. In my four years in the physics program and all the time I've spent around physicists, I've met plenty of real-life Sheldons. As well as people like other characters in the show. It's more accurate than people are willing to accept, in my experience. Maybe that's why "nerds" are so offended by it.
Sorry but universally? No, Big Bang Theory isn't one of the most widely watched shows for nothing. Sheldon is a large part of what keeps viewership on that show, too.
What I find amazing is that he actually mirrors people with some pretty solid disorders, and people think it's unrealistic.
The obsession with trains, for example, I've heard my auntie (I primary school principal) and my mum (was a counselor in a primary school) both say is a massive red flag for... I think it was autism, not 100%.
Yeah, my younger brother has similar patterns, and it actually puts things in a different light. Doesn't excuse everyone else, but whatever.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:28:58 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
...they unwittingly sound exactly like those main characters.
Ho Lee Sheet, you hit that one on the head.
Very good friend basically IS Sheldon [minus the academic accomplishment]: Snobby about every damn nerd thing, constant correcting everybody about everything [even matters of taste, and things about which he is actually, demonstrably wrong,] effete, arrogant, the whole nine yards.
Deep down a great guy, most people can't handle the prickly, picky, off-putting exterior, but I know the whole man so I get where he's coming from. But again, basically Sheldon.
And he absolutely cannot stand Sheldon, rages for hours about BBT, and of course must endure the occasional person who, very unwisely, compares him to Sheldon while I quickly hide from the fallout. : )
Lanza21 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:33:16 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Theoretical physicist here. I've never met an individual remotely like Sheldon. None. Literally zero. The other characters on the show are more plausible, though highly exaggerated, but Sheldon is just an amalgamation of all the worst characteristics in nerd and/or geek culture.
I know that Sheldon and BBT are disliked on reddit, but it's simply incorrect to say he's "universally" hated. Most casual viewers tend to love his character (for reasons I can't fathom).
I actually like him because he reminds me of my autistic brother. I realize that it's probably not how the character is supposed to be viewed, but that's just my thoughts on it.
yep. i personally believe the main characters represent true parts of Nerd Cultureโข, and the people who aggressively point out how wrong the show is end up mirroring the show.
Sheldon reminds me way too much of some uber-nerdy people I've met in my life who aren't funny: they drive you up the wall because they aren't fans of abstract thinking and are incredibly pretentious. I can't stand him because he reminds me of this one dude that would flat-out insult your interests to your face because they don't interest him so they are bad.
Much the same with asking WoW players their take of the South Park episode "Make Love, Not Warcraft." Half of us thought it was brilliant, the other half were not amused. Which made it funnier for the first half.
Sheldon was fine, I related to him quite a lot. I didn't like the way the other characters treated him and seemingly ignored the fact he displayed a desire to overcome concrete difficulties in several areas of social cues (including sarcasm). I really could have done without Amy as well, she didn't add much to his character other than being "obligatory love interest" instead of the show letting him be happy by himself.
The show as a whole was awful sadly.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:58:38 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
But even if you have the self awareness to to realize you sound like the character you still have to voice your complaints, it's a kind of a Catch-22 explaining why that show is basically "nerd blackface," as you so well put it.
I love Wil Wheaton. He's clever and makes me laugh. Wesley though... not a fan. He character was to much of a deus ex machina.
I'm not a fan of all this Y.A. stuff with kids as the only one who can save us all. That bugs me. Teenagers are dumb walking hormones, not the saviors of the world.
I think any attempt to re-boot with the same cast would be a disaster after this long, especially if they kept things with Wash the way they are.
Another story set in the same universe, though? Hell yeah! I need me some more space western.
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Maclimes ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 04:14:49 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I tend to agree. As much as I love Firefly, I'm worried that any addition to the franchise can't possibly live up to my expectations. Better that it burned out than fade away.
My guess would be that you only watched an episode or two. Like most Sci Fi franchises, it takes a few episodes (or in the case ot ST:TNG, a few seasons) to get its legs. I tried to introduce it to a friend, and he watched a couple of episodes and said "Meh." So I said "watch two more episodes before you decide." Hooked.
That could be. I would say that when I saw it for the first time I had no clue what was going on in episode 1. It seemed kind of disjointed at the time, but maybe watching it again after you'd gotten into the series would make it make more sense.
I really don't get the hate this dude gets. Sure, he's no hero like Link but he persued a career he's good at and is able to devote time to his hobby. That's a lot more than most real people can say they have.
Bokonomy ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:55:38 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Because he dares to wear tights with moovs/his voice. If he looked like a normal guy, I doubt anyone would remember him.
moneymet ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 04:31:14 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Nah man, that guy is great. I love that greedy little bastard.
I've played a lot of Call of a Duty and my mum has a lot of haters.
But she also seems to have a lot fans, embarrassed though they are about their fandom.
Njefup ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:57:02 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I hear ya.. There have been plenty prepubescent boys or teenaged girls (can't tell) that let me know how much my mom gets around. It's apparently a lot.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:53:42 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So pretty though. No, for real, Krycek's origin episode where he is employed by the FBI and works with M/S is really bizarre and there's never any resolution to it. I like to believe he's still on payroll through to the end.
He may have played the heel, but we all still loved our nerdy neighbor Steve. Did you know he was only supposed to be in a couple (if not just the one) episodes? He was so good they kept him and basically built the show around him.
Similar to Michael J. Fox and Family Ties. The show was intended to focus on the mother, but his character became wildly popular so they focused more on him.
Most of the first season had already been shot by the time Urkel appeared, so they quickly wrote and filmed new Urkel scenes and inserted them into the new episodes. (I think some of them were cold opens and ending scenes.)
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:58:03 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
There is no Jaleel, only Steve.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:48:06 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I agree with you that he's hateful, but universally hated? I'd say not. In fact, at the time, it was the Urkel character that saved "Family Matters"--not arguably so, but certainly so. People would not have watched that show at the time without Urkel, and it would have been cancelled and forgotten.
IronOhki ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:34:37 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That show made no sense. The average episode was 50% Steve Urkel scenes and 50% scenes of a normal family having conversations about nothing interesting or funny while they did boring stuff together.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:58:39 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It seemed like it was meant to be a more relatable Cosby Show, aimed at an audience that didn't have Huxtable money. The problem is that it just wasn't very funny.
Cersei may have her (huge) flaws but 95% of what she does is to either impress her father or protect her children. Seeing her perspective in the books is a great trick by GRRM
It also honestly really helps to read all her chapters assuming she is completly shitfaced. It really kind of explains a great deal of the horrible decision making.
Cersei is awesome the more wine she drinks, though! I've really been enjoying her the past two seasons. I think her pitiful husband and piece of shit heir son took it's toll on her at the beginning.
To Kill A Mockingbird was required viewing in school for 5 years. I remember seeing it for the first time in 5th grade and watched it every year in English class until high school. I really enjoyed that film. So did everyone in class
Especially how she painted Hermione as, as Ron put it, a "scarlet woman". Which is actually rather clever; it vaguely references Hawthorne's The Scarlet Letter.
I remember once yelling, "That bitch!" while reading one of the articles in Goblet of Fire and then probably more often during Order of the Phoenix when one of the Educational Decrees was enforced. Or something she said or did to Harry or one of the other students. And I was glad when the centaurs carried her off.
Skyler was insufferable at times, but also had her life completely destroyed by an abusive, violent, remorseless drug kingpin. What was her worst crime, that she was "naggy"?
[deleted] ยท 64 points ยท Posted at 20:48:42 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Her worst crime was when she sang happy birthday mr president.
The one and only thing I really don't like about Breaking Bad is that we never get a coherent explanation of why Walt dumped Gretchen and sold his share of Gray Matters. It's perverse! It doesn't make sense! They could have said, "Oh, Walt had a one-night stand with Skyler and she got pragnent with babby and the rest is history" but no, no good explanation, and it's only his central motivation!!!! that he didn't get crazy rich because he walked away and we DON'T KNOW WHY
I definitely understand why someone would be frustrated by that, but I love that aspect of this show. You're left to fill in the blanks yourself, and it's really interesting to me what people come up with to fill them in. I mean, it's not like you have to pull any muscles to assume that the massive chip on Walt's shoulder and his unimaginably huge ego caused a rift in either his place in Gray Matter or his relationship with Gretchen or both, but the fact that it's never made explicit is so intriguing to me. You can imagine a dozen different scenarios of how it went down, all consistent with what you know of Walt.
Yeahhh but there is nothing in the flashbacks to show us that he started with either a chip or a huge ego. He spent nearly twenty years being St. Walter, Martyr of Lowered Expectations, and it took a tumor to unleash his inner Machiavelli.
Without some kind of earthquake in his personal life, why does Whiz Kid Walt turn into the Martyr?
To put it in terms he would use, we know the reaction that formed Machiavelli from St. Walter, but we don't know what reaction formed St. Walter, nor really what came before. If he were always the Martyr, would he have ever gotten that close to the brass ring the first time? I don't see that. If he always had the ego and chip on his shoulder, would he have made that much progress with his former partners? Again, I doubt it. All explanations are consistent with what we know of Walt because we don't really know Walt.
I always assumed he felt that the research that Gretchen and Elliot benefitted off was more his work than theirs, and that he wasn't being properly credited for it, so he left Gray Matter.
[deleted] ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 20:35:52 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This is her only and worst crime: she bought her handicapped son a PT Cruiser. Nightmare fuel.
Naggy, narcissistic, two faced, greedy, power-mad (once she felt she could share in Walt's empire), made DUMB decisions and backed it up with "but you ruined this family".
Now, mind, Walt's no prince. But even at his worst, I liked him more than Skyler. She was just awful.
EDIT: THEY'RE BOTH SHITTY PEOPLE. But to myself, Skyler is written to be a much more dislikable character. Which is NOT to say that as people, she is any worse than he.
That was the point. Walt stayed "likable" because he never truly believes his actions are wrong. He always seemed fairly happy and pleasant because he believed through the majority of the show that he was doing the right thing, or at least doing it for the right reasons. You can see it when he's constructing the pipe bomb or setting up the M60: he's whistling while he works, knowing multiple people were going to die because of his actions. It doesn't concern him, just like the idea of poisoning Brock doesn't concern him. He's doing what needs to be done.
Skylar is suddenly forced into a very high-stress scenario, which makes me understand her laundry list of poor decisions. She joined Walt in his ventures, but she also had no real income of her own and Walt was pretty much forcing the issue at that point; she was afraid of what might happen if she legitimately tried to cut Walt out of her life. And her first priority was always the safety of the family, whereas Walt always put his pride first. So she's essentially trapped in a life where her only means of income is a ticking time bomb because of Walt's arrogance and pride. She makes many poor decisions that also get tangled up in her conscience, this is true. But I feel like expecting Skylar to be rational and pleasant in her position is like expecting a cornered animal to let you pet it. Walt took all control out of her life by around season 3, and before that his actions and lies made her feel like she was hardly in control anyway. That can make a person crazy and affect their decision making. But Walt had many choices, and he consistently chose a path that made him feel in control and important rather than making a humbling decision that would help his family. And he does so with such little hesitation, with such calm deliberation; imo, Skyler's mistakes and personality flaws are there because she has a conscience, and Walt's successes and comparably more pleasant demeanor come from the fact that he lacks one.
Erpp8 ยท 23 points ยท Posted at 22:18:53 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think she's a perfect example of the extremely gradual moral shift of the show. You think she's a bitch the whole time, until it ends and you realize the bad guys were often actually the good guys.
Yep. Nagging Skyler, bullying Hank, spoiled Flynn, and even abrasive Marie all show themselves to be pretty righteous people by the end, especially when compared to Walt's ruthless narcissism. I think early on we were seeing them through Walt's ever resentful eyes, and by the end we could see them as they really were.
Erpp8 ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 22:33:55 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ozzymandias is the episode where I just said "What the fuck Walt?" But then I realized that he wasn't really too different; the perspective just shifted a little. Then you realize how horrible Walt really was.
Yeah! I think it's because Ozymandias is when you really see the effects of everything Walt has done, and they all come crashing down together like dominoes. And his reactions to everything crashing down (taking Holly, giving up Jesse to the Nazis, etc.) only serve to further drive home what kind of person he really is.
I feel like the one constant throughout all those people is that they are just sort of normal boring people (aside from hank's job being pretty badass), acting kind of like how regular people would act in that situation if they didn't know about all the crazy shit that was going on.
Yeah! Walt's spinout is the one anomaly, and everyone else just acts like anyone would act in that situation, including sometimes not knowing how to act in such a crazy situation.
I thought it was totally brilliant. I especially loved how the show gets you so caught up in the plot, and the super interesting characters, that you don't even stop to think about how much sense those characters make as people.
I binge watched all 5 seasons and whether it was on purpose or not, she shifts from being annoying to sympathetic just as a result of how much worse Walt gets. It's a really interesting dynamic.
It's an incredibly honest show. People are people, and that means they come with good traits and bad traits. Vince Gilligan does a great job of setting up the situation, fleshing out the characters, but then presenting the scene in such an objective way that the audience alone judges the morality of the situation.
swohio ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:34:43 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I have always been confused on how people hated Skyler and loved Walt. Walt was a TOTAL piece of shit beyond the first season to everyone around him, especially his wife. The shit that she put up with makes her a saint in my eyes. Walt, however, continually had outs all along the way. "I just need to make this much" makes that much, has an easy exit but goes in deeper while risking the safety of his supposed loved ones. Repeat several times and that's the whole series. Fuck Walt. I cheered when he died.
Awwwwww, ur a meanie :(((. I thought it was kind of sad, especially after he visited Skyler for the last time. "I did it for me." That admission was one of the most powerful parts of the series imo. Though I can understand your sentiment. At the end of season 4 when they showed the Lily of the Valley I just sat, staring at the screen, saying "That's fucked up, that's SO fucked up" over and over. With increasing volume.
Yes but that was also the only time that Skyler was really trying to stand up to him, and he felt like he had lost his family and his control. Once he realized that she was bluffing everything was essentially back to business. In addition his cancer had gone into remission; he couldn't rationalize anymore that he was making meth to ensure his family's continued prosperity in the event of his death.
Okay, so do you want to explain why she talks to Walt like he's a child in the very first episode ("Oh, Walt, that's the card we don't use.")? Or why she later on smokes heavily while pregnant with their daughter?
No, sorry, anything anyone can say about Skylar will always be overshadowed by this. Explain away all of her behavior in later seasons, I thought she was a cunt from right out of the gate and she never got any better.
Well, Skyler treats EVERYONE like a child. She is the quintessential mother figure of the show. She chastises Marie and Beneke when they make stupid decisions, is always concerned about her husband's whereabouts, but it means she also does things like make breakfast every morning. And more importantly, she learns to play her part well in Walt's big game once it means the relative safety and blissful ignorance of her children. Again, not sure how naggy and worrisome are traits that make you a "cunt", they're just annoying. Thought we covered this already.
As far as her smoking, she's living with a murderer, a drug dealer, a man that had taken all control from her, a man she now hates. And she's carrying his child. Meanwhile, he claims that all his heinous, vaguely murder-y actions are all for the future of his family. Skyler wanted that family with Walt when the baby was conceived, but not under these circumstances; at that point she wants nothing to do with him, going so far as to start divorce proceedings and kick Walt out of the house. Having that child was basically signing her life away to Walt for the next 18 years, because remember, Walt had all the control and would never leave her alone after the baby was born. He actually KIDNAPS HIS OWN CHILD AT ONE POINT after she gives birth; I mean, he's a drug kingpin for Christ's sake, they're loose cannons practically by definition. Giving birth was a prison sentence to her.
With that in mind, I could easily see Skyler choosing a cigarette over her child, even if I find it repulsive myself. In the worst case, she takes a bit of the edge off from Walt and Beneke and pregnancy in general; best case scenario, the baby doesn't make it, freeing Skyler from Walt sooner and saving the baby from a terrible life. Remember, she can't really abort, as too many questions would be asked and her homicidal husband might respond poorly. More importantly, I'm not sure Skyler would have even been able to bring herself to abort if that weren't the case; she couldn't live with the guilt. But a cigarette isn't nearly as definite as an abortion when it comes damaging the health of the unborn child, which means Skyler might not blame herself as much if the pregnancy went wrong. In addition, if she was able to keep it a secret, everyone would just assume it was stillborn. But I don't think she plotted all of these factors like I did; I think she just chose, with a couple of these ideas very loosely formed in mind, getting a quick buzz over the health of her daughter, and alcohol wasn't a discreet enough solution.
Either way, I too disagree with her decision. But her decision to smoke cigarettes while pregnant is more her realization that she didn't really want to have the baby anymore. Her situation had changed drastically since conception, and she was under an incredible amount of stress; I have NO idea how I would act in her situation, and I don't believe you do either. But either way, your argument really boils down to pro-life versus pro-choice. Remember, smoking during pregnancy isn't recommended, but the assumption made there is that you don't WANT to harm the fetus. This is something Skyler clearly didn't care about anymore; her decision was not uninformed. So you can argue that she's a cunt all you like, but your argument is not NEARLY as cut and dry as you are making it out to be. But that is what makes the show interesting; morality is constantly balancing on the edge of a knife, causing characters to make wildly polarizing decisions that the audience can talk about for years to come. You can believe Skyler is a bad person, a cunt, whatever qualifier you like, but the entire point of a show like Breaking Bad is that things are NEVER that simple. And it's for that exact reason that the show is so damn good.
I thought that the first time I watched the show, but when I watched it on Netflix I realized she was actually a very sensible character, and that most of the time she's either trying to do the right thing for the family, or she's just being crazy because she's essentially a hostage.
[deleted] ยท 52 points ยท Posted at 19:56:42 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You could use all those same words for Walt except replace naggy with manipulative. Walt backed his bad decisions by saying he was providing for the family, but we find out in his last conversation with Skyler that he actually did it because he liked the way it made him feel. I can't see how people think Skyler was a worse person than Walt was.
Arthrawn ยท 35 points ยท Posted at 20:14:23 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
People aren't saying she it a a worse person. Shes just an annoying character.
I didn't even find her that annoying tbh. Her sister Marie was 1000 times worse with her neverending mouth.
Arthrawn ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:44:28 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Shrug. I thought she was a bitch at times. At others I found I could really sympathize with her. She was a human being which was good writing. But yeah...Marie...God Idk what Hank took to stand her constant nagging.
She annoyed me, but that doesn't mean that she was a bad person.
Walt was an awful person, but he also got shit done. Skyler was just constantly dumbfounded and half the time it was like she forgot that she was married to a drug kingpin, and she was just shocked at everything that Walt did.
I don't think she or he is worse. Skyler was a bitch and I explain in another post some reasons for that. Walt was an asshole. But he was a FUN asshole. And asshole you kinda liked in some weird way even though he got insanely corrupted. They both suck as humans, but I just personally think she sucks more.
I watched every episode of the series and can't think of a lot of instances of her being greedy or two faced or narcissistic. Care to expand? Sure she cheated on Walt under the pressure of everything he was putting them through...but the rest?
Walt is the antihero so it's fun to watch his arc, but Skyler's crimes don't seem to amount to anything more than "she was annoying and didn't let Walt have any fun" most times.
diamond ยท 53 points ยท Posted at 20:28:35 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't even think you could say she cheated on him. She didn't sleep with Ted until after she had kicked Walter out and told him she was done with him.
Yeah, it was a gambit to make him give up and go the fuck away. It just didn't work, because she didn't yet realize she was dealing with a mastermind control freak.
One instance that really bothers me is she throws Walt under the bus to his family about his cancer. She storms off after crying and disrupting a nice dinner and when asked whats wrong she replies with "why don't you ask Walt!"
She found out her husband was dying and that he kept it a secret from her. You don't think you'd be a little crazy too? That was her being upset and afraid at the thought of losing him. Se wasn't "throwing him under the bus" for fucks sake.
Nacksche ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:31:36 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Yep. Skylar is a great character and pretty much how a spouse might react to Walt's shit. I don't get the hate.
You're putting me through the ringer, friend, I haven't seen the series since it ended but I'll try.
I guess first thing's first. It is NEVER anyone's fault but your own if you schtupp outside your own relationship. That, at least to myself, puts you on the intense shit-list. No one drives a person to cheat. It's that person being a massive cunt.
Greedy - Well after learning of her husband's hijinks, she was first horrified, then she saw all the green he made. Any sensible person who was truly normal would have informed the DEA brother-in-law. But she then used his money to buy a front to launder yet more money. Because boy did she love that money. And in that way, she as well as Walt used the "I'm doing this for my family" excuse.
Narcissistic - I may be using the word wrong and I might change it to something more fitting to what I see her as, but it's pretty evidenced in any meeting she had with Jesse. She definitely held herself above him for, to be honest, understandable reasons. But she didn't know him and was immediately rude and very "look-at-me-and-my-fine-car-you-dirty-street-urchin" in her approach.
Two faced - I felt like this was easiest to see really. In most if not all of her later-on meetings with her sister, it was very much her being all sorts of helpful and kind, then as soon as the door shuts "What an annoying, klepto, uninformed sister I have, woe is me". She thinks Hank is a bit of a dullard but always has a false smile, up until their shenanigans with the "confession" video. And that, she didn't get coerced into doing. She wasn't scared of Walt. Or for her family. She wanted money and power and she was sitting with the man that she could latch onto to get it. If that meant selling her own extended family down the river? Pfeh. He's a dipshit anyway.
You're right about Walt, he's kinda absolutely an antihero. And yes he's more "fun" than Skylar because, well, meth. Something I realize while typing this, that's a big reason why she leaves a bad taste in my mouth. All of the bad things and annoying things she does to make me hate her all get compounded in my head when it's put under the lens of "she was just a stale, whiny character who didn't DO anything but whine." Whereas Walt was a jackass, but, well....... meth.
Literally all of your criticisms exist because Walt was an emotionally abusive asshole towards Skylar. By the time she does the really bad stuff, she is explicitly terrified of Walt. He has tried to rape her, and she knows that he has killed people.
If she loved the money so much, why was she the one that talked Walt into getting out of the meth business?
I'll say.... maybe the fifth time? I don't care about Walt right now. He's not who I'm talking about. Yes, some (I'll give you "some" but no more) of her mistakes come from the fact that he's a manipulative horrible person. But not EVERYTHING EVER IN THE WORLD that she does comes back to him. Walt isn't Tuco. Walt isn't Gustavo. When he's around and bossing her into a corner, yes, it's his fault. But when she's alone with Marie or Hank? Before things got too far, she could have said things. But she doesn't. I refuse to believe that's for any reason but greed. Walt has no hold over her views of her sister or Hank so yes, she's still two faced.
And I will say it AGAIN. WALT IS A TERRIBLE HUMAN BEING. SKYLER IS A TERRIBLE HUMAN. Me hating a character has ABSOLUTELY NO BEARING on HOW terrible that character is, so yes. Walt is a worse person than she is. It's purely me hating them through the lens of the show, so I'm as justified as I can be with saying:
I hate Skyler. She was a cunt. And an awful human.
The topic is abuse. I take it rather seriously. It's an important issue.
You have seen a textbook abusive relationship, and your major takeaway was that the victim was a cunt. That's the wrong lesson to learn. It's borderline dangerous, because what if it was someone you actually knew?
I don't think I've ever seen someone criticize Skyler White without using a woman-specific derogative word like bitch, whore, cunt, etc. It's always a guy saying it, too (and usually on reddit). Do with that information what you will.
She wasn't cheating. Maybe you should watched the show again. At this point she kicked him out of the house, (for very good reason, it turns out two hitmen types were after him) and made it clear she wanted him out of her life. He then sneaks back in the house and is emotionally manipulating her. By Skylar's perspective they have no relationship other than abuser and abused. She has no moral obligation to stay faithful to someone that she's made clear she wants nothing to do with.
She never cheated on Walt. Their relationship was dead long before anything happened with Ted, and Skylar told Walt as much. This is literally the most retarded reason that people have ever disliked a fictional character.
[deleted] ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 20:07:11 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Skyler is a character you're supposed to hate throughout the entire series, but I think a lot of people sympathized with her at the end
[deleted] ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 22:44:17 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
People use Walt as an excuse for her but people need to watch season one again, She treated him poorly and wanted to control his whole life even when he had cancer and to her knowledge was only doing weed because it helped with the nauseousness caused by chemo. I find her much better in later seasons but it felt like she was meant to be horrible to Walt in season one so we felt sympathetic towards him.
saintash ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 02:34:42 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Season 1, she is he most unlikable, but i think that partly due to the situation she is in even before she knows Walt has cancer she is just as stressed out as Walt and its partly her way of coping, In her 40' pregnant with a Kid they cant afford, while the house is falling apart and a Teenage son who is rocking an attitude, and she has a sister who is a half the time more a pain in ass then help. Add to that she probably thought she would be a writer after she quit her last job and its not happening for her, so she has to sell crap on ebay to help around the house. Then add to that Husband suddenly going distant, then you find out he is sick. her actions are annoying but she is trying to cope.
Pretty sure the whole Walt weed debacle was before he even started chemo, so that's BS.
Wazula42 ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 21:53:22 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Wait what? Walt's got every single trait you just mentioned, except cranked to fifty billion. "MY product! MY legacy! MY meth!" Walt's a fucking sicko.
Don't get me wrong, Skyler's a terribly written character. But she's far less duplicitous and egocentric than Walt.
I've said in my responses to others that my opinion of Walt has no bearing on my opinions of Skyler. They're both awful people. But my opinion is that Skyler is more hate-able as a character. Not necessarily a "worse" person.
Wazula42 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 00:20:11 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That I would have to agree with. Vince Gilligan just doesn't know how to write women. She's really poorly written. But Walt's far more evil.
I hate the defense of skyler that people use "she's the voice of reason", or assume that because I hate her I thought that the other characters were good people. They're all terrible but you can see their motivations. Her motivations were shit and she couldn't stand by her husband while he was dying. She's such an asshole.
Yea they were shit people for different reasons but Walt was more likeable as a shit person she was just a cunt
deltopia ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:11:45 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Sounds like Lady Macbeth. Do you think that's on purpose? (I never watched whatever you're talking about.)
Epsilius ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:42:50 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I couldn't stand Walt Jr. for some reason
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:42:31 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Also hypocritical and holier-than-thou. She acted like someone with strong morals and then turned around when no one was looking and did something backhanded whilst still pretending to be a victim
Zarokima ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 00:32:48 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Don't forget unrepentant cheater.
Skyler had no redeeming qualities at all, which I find appropriate since her name is Skyler (a derivation of Tyler, the worst name in existence).
Really every important character in that show was a bad guy except Walt Jr and maybe Gomez if you want to include him in the main cast rather than as a side character.
I'm pretty sure I've never struggled more with my feelings over a character. I loathed her often, but kept thinking "if that was me...well, yeah I'd be a bitch." Then she smoked while pregnant/around the baby and I felt small justice in loathing her. The Walt hate evolved slowly, with her it was kinda there from the start? Just didn't like her, even if her actions were often justified.
She was cold, unpleasant, and yes, naggy. It's not like this was a result of Walt's actions, she was like this before the diagnosis. Sure, Walt has his problems, but it's much more fun to see someone pull off a train heist than smoke while pregnant.
tingwong ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:10:18 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
She had an affair with her boss and then accidentally told him she had a bunch of money so he blackmailed her.
Darrian ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:03:17 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
She isn't worse than Walt. She's terrible sure, but not worse than Walt. And that's exactly why its reasonable that she's hated more. People know someone like Skyler. It's personal, while seeing Walt make drugs and kill people is just fantasy. Same reason why people hate umbridge and not voldemort.
stufff ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:37:30 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Her husband worked 2 jobs while she sat at home and sold shit on eBay.
Her husband has terminal cancer and she makes it all about her.
Her husband has terminal cancer and is doing chemotherapy and she freaks the fuck out over him smoking some weed.
It's his birthday and she gives him a bored half-assed handjob while she looks at her computer.
The hatred for Skylar has nothing to do with her "ruining Walt's fun" and everything to do with her being a terrible fucking person from episode 1.
I loved hearing he was a drug kingpin, then watching the series and he never was really a kingpin, but a cook for higher ups. Series was great but he never really controlled vast resources at his disposal.
sillymod ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:36:13 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I would argue that it was her behaviour that pushed Walt over the edge.
In her dynamic with Walt, she kept being unsatisfied with what she had. This pushed Walt into believing that he was an insufficient provider.
Furthermore, I always felt like the show was trying to say that Walt had a thing for the rich lady from Grey Matter (can't remember the character's name) but that she fell for the more assertive, big eared guy. So Walt ended up having a brief relationship with Skyler that got her pregnant. He suddenly had to provide for a pregnant Skyler, so he quit Grey Matter before it got big, but after helping them with their key patent product.
They never showed scenes directly indicating this, but I think they filmed the scenes and never put them in. There are some scenes that are suggestive of his feelings for the Grey Matter lady, but I suspect that they felt this explanation would indicate blame on women, and so they took it out for PC reasons.
She gave off the vibe that she shat on and put down Walter all the time, and she does in a joking manner a few times, and that is highlighted even more so the way Hank jokes with Walter that he is a pussy dork. Everyone thinks he is a pussy dork. She is naggy but the real problem is she doesn't support Walter in a way that makes him feel like a successful man. In conjunction with his shitty life of mediocrity, his unused talents, and the death sentence he gets handed he goes on his journey to make money, and finds his true calling, letting everyone know what he really is, that he is a man, he is something to be respected and feared.
It's not her fault he became a monster, but the way she treated him was just one of many variables that drive him to be what he was.
I liked the path Walter took. At first he did what he needed to support his family, in a dangerous stupid way. He hurt and killed other criminals and drug dealers. The absolute filth of society. When he let that bitch chock and die on her own vomit she got what her druggy ass deserved. When he ran over and shot those two fuckers they absolutely deserved it. It wasn't until he started hurting innocents that I no longer supported him, but was intrigued by the monster he came. Been a long time since I watched it, but wasn't it the poisoning of the kid with the flower the first innocent?
He was a cog in a machine that killed people, many innocent, ruins neighborhoods and communities, and totally destroys people that don't have support groups the rest of us do.
Gale was never innocent, no matter how much he wanted to ostrich his head and pretend he was making drugs for willing consenting adults. He deserved to die just as much as Gus, or the filthy pusher on a street corner. They're all filth.
I think her worst crime was ripping away Walt's children before she even knew what was happening. She completely decided the house was hers, when obviously Walter paid the largest sum for it, and he has zero sympathy for anybody around her even though she has it pretty easy.
Like, think about it. Her husband loves her to fucking death the ENTIRE show, and now they're millionaires. Meanwhile Walt deals with weekly death threats, Hank has obvious bouts of PTSD, and her sister Marie has some kind of OCD (dat purple) and kleptomania that needs some serious help and sympathy... Especially considering Skyler just drops her kids off at Hank and Marie's for a couple of months with no explanation and they just take that shit so she can go cheat on her loving, adoring husband.
Well in the meantime, Hank is treating her like absolute shit when she's doing everything she can to support him and take care of him. Kleptomania is a mental disorder. What the fuck is Hank's excuse?
Frankly I think dealing with his mineral obsession helped to undo all the progress she made. It really is a fascinating circle of fucked up that leads out from Walt.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 02:35:11 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
abusive?
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 02:40:42 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That she thought giving her husband, who at the time was not an abusive, violent, remorseless drug lord, but a man who was beaten down by life and poor decisions, fake bacon for his birthday was a treat. That's the worst thing she did that was not directly effected by Walt's drug making.
atero ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 05:46:11 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
She was a naggy bitch before the meth and crime.
5171 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 06:55:04 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, well, her lips look like worms. And when I have to watch her worm-lips spew out her nagging and whining it makes me crazy. I have seen her in other things and she was far less annoying. Her portrayal of Skylar is just irritating.
I genuinely liked Skylar. She stops the show from being immature manchild power fantasy and is the only voice of reason. She's also one of the most conflicted characters in the show, which was great to watch.
Yes! Excellent point. So many times she could have told Flynn what was up with his father, and instead she just took the hit and let him be mad at her and think she's being unfair. Skyler's a standup guy. For all Walt's talk about doing everything he does for his family, she was the one actually doing it.
edit: heh, some fedora-tipper is going through this whole thread and downvoting everything I've said because I dared to defend Skyler White.
Bokonomy ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 00:50:21 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, her being scummy with Walt was mostly for her kids' benefit. Also, she was pregnant for much of it, she's allowed to be bitchy here and there. Screw Mr. Fedora for getting mad at your opinion.
dv_ ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 00:30:36 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
She stops the show from being immature manchild power fantasy and is the only voice of reason.
Which is probably the precise reason why the character was included. At such a high quality level as Breaking Bad's, details are everything.
You mean The Color Purple? Sometimes that show would play up the color characterization to annoying levels, but I'll be damned if I didn't still love it.
the_con ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 23:19:25 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Because sheruined Walt's fun. Honestly, she gets hatebecause people confuse protagonist for hero. Walt is not a hero and Skyler recognizes that far sooner than many of the viewers did. So she was hated for trying to get in the way.
Wazula42 ยท 33 points ยท Posted at 21:54:35 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You mean the man who made millions for Mexican drug cartels, endangered his family, and caused the deaths of dozens of innocent people wasn't the good guy?
People did hate Hank for the first two seasons. He didn't become mostly liked until later. And Jesse was the secondary protagonist. He got a pass because it was also his story. Skylar was a secondary character in Walt's story.
I don't doubt that the fact that she's a woman was a factor for some fans, but I think for most it was the fact that Hank and Jessie were also amusing and likable despite their faults. She was just a bringdown most of the time. Sure, in real life she probably would be, considering what Walt was doing to her life, but that doesn't make her enjoyable to watch like the other two were.
Personally, I had no problem with her until Hank offered to help her get away from Walt and she refused to cooperate with him. I lost all sympathy for her at that point. It was like she was on no one's side.
I was as shocked as Hank was by that after all that had happened. It only made sense that she would take that way out and join with that part of her family. Maybe the problem was that she was a poorly written character.
Oh fuck off with that. People hate her because she is a shit character, not because they're sexist. The writers used her as an easy source of conflict in Walt's life. She was a pain in the ass long before she knew what was going on.
That's the one big thing I think they failed at with Breaking bad. They did a good job of turning the protagonist into the villain, but they didn't keep their characters likable. By the last season the only people I can think of that I liked enough want them to live were Mike, Jessie, and Saul.
Edit: It's asinine to write off criticism as sexist just because you happen to disagree. I guess it's just easier to label everyone you disagree with a bigot and move on than it is to consider multiple points of view.
DrSmoke ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:59:46 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
the real answer is "your supposed to feel that way" they wrote the show that way.
Because she was an annoying nag who made stupid decisions once she knew she could get a cut of the money and then turned around and tried to make everyone else look like the bad guy whenever she got close to getting caught. Sure, you could say a lot of other characters did the same thing, but at least they had some sort of redeeming characteristic or something of value to add to the plot other than just getting on everyone's nerves all the time.
What's my prize?
DrSmoke ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:59:35 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well, the real answer is "your supposed to feel that way" they wrote the show that way.
This is why I quit in season three somewhere. By that point I didn't sympathize with anyone but Skylar and didn't want anyone but her to succeed at anything.
[deleted] ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 20:42:35 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If that were the reason, everybody would hate Hank too.
[deleted] ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 22:09:42 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hank was hated quite a bit when the show was first showing, so.
Cr0n0x ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:33:36 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Because people thought he was cheap comedy relief. Then BAM shit hits the fan.
Skylar is mostly there to foil Walter in some way. Also, episode 1 she gives Walter a half-assed hand-job for his birthday that makes your skin crawl. She's just written that way.
Cr0n0x ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:27:43 on January 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 21:56:17 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hank created a second, parallel plotline because he and Walt didn't face off directly until late in the series. Skyler, on the other hand, didn't create new plot threads, she just slowed the progress of an existing one.
magnakai ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:18:32 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hank was nobody's favourite in season 1. The empathy only comes with his PTSD, when we see the vulnerability behind the bald head.
Bokonomy ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:22:53 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Nah, I hated Hank but liked Skyler. So I dunno. Maybe because he chose to marry Marie?
DrSmoke ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:00:07 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
the real answer is "your supposed to feel that way" they wrote the show that way.
Hank didn't catch on till the end of season 5a. Skyler lived with Walt and developed her mistrust much earlier.
bend1310 ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 21:12:16 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I disliked Skylar before she knew exactly what was going on. It seemed pretty clear from the first episode that their marriage wasnt on great terms, and she wasnt particularly likeable as a character even then.
She gets hate from me because she found out about her husband's drug empire and participated in it, while still trying to claim the moral high ground. She always trie to justify her shitty, illegal actions by her husband being a criminal. But guess what? She is also a criminal.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:33:53 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Spoilers below:
She was also part of the reason why Walt started cooking in the first place. My understanding of it wasn't just that Walt had cancer and wanted to provide for his family, but that his life was thoroughly unimpressive and dreary. He had an opportunity to have it all, money, a hot, sophisticated girlfriend, but she ran off with his partner and he pulled out of the company before they hit it big. Now he is a fucking high school teacher that works a second job a car wash, has a loving but plain and boring wife (CPA turned housewife) and a kid who, lets be honest here, isn't the star quarterback and probably isn't getting into Yale. At the end of the show he tells her that he did it for himself. That's because his life sucked. It's why he resigned himself to dying when he got his diagnosis and why he resisted treatment for so long. He just wanted to rebuild his shattered legacy and go out with a bang, and she got in the way of that at every turn. Walt's not a good guy by any means. But damn she was an annoying character.
That is a pretty skewed outlook. If that's the case than you should hate his kids as well. wright? Also, if Walt was only doing it for his family, why didn't he stop when he had more than enough money set aside for them? A lot of what you are saying is just projecting. He resigned himself because he chose to be the victim. He wanted to be great at something and was too proud to put his personal feelings aside and remain with gray matter. That isn't Skyler that is his ego. Your response sound like something he would say in defense of his actions while we roll our eyes.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:07:35 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not defending Walt and I never said that Walt was doing it for his family. That was the excuse he told himself early on, but he admits at the end it was for him all along. I'm just trying to explain his motivations. I actually don't disagree with anything you said. Walt is the bad guy, but also the protagonist and a sympathetic character. Also I'm not a fan of his kids either. His son was basically a bratty teenager for most of the show (changing his name to Flynn early on from Walt Jr. probably only helped Walt realize he wasn't leaving behind much of a legacy). His daughter was just a prop because she was too young to have any sort of character.
That is what I am saying. He ca tell himself whatever he wants, but as a viewer you should recognize that its BS. Its a great show with great writing great acting its going to make you feel. Even Gus had sympathetic moments so it stand to reason that we would feel for Walt being the main character. But Skyler was a victim of Walt's actions for the first half of the show and people hated her for that because they viewed her as "the ball and chain".
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:28:28 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I can recognize that Skylar is a victim of Walt's actions while still hating her.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:36:48 on January 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
and the condescending nagging. and the stupidity. and the overall, consistent, bitchyness.
Yeah but that was after Walt was clearly off the deep end, and they were separated. Im not saying Skyler is the hero, but she gets hate for not wanting to put up with Walt's shit
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:39:52 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Eh, I didn't like her because she acted in terrible ways towards her husband who - as far as she knew - was just having a hard time dealing with his cancer. Ignoring what WE the audience knew, she started acting shitty to him pretty much from the get go, even going so far as to cheat on him unrepentantly.
Did you even watch the show? She didn't cheat on him. It wasn't until after she found out he was a drug dealer, kicked him out because she felt unsafe (and who can blame her? who wants a drug dealer around their teenage son and baby?), and he breaks back into the house that she sleeps with Ted. She doesn't do it for fun, she does it for revenge because she hopes it will make him leave her and the family alone.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:53:10 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Did YOU watch the show? She sleeps with Ted BEFORE finding out the truth about Walk and kicking him out. She slept with someone else while married to Walt, so yes, it was very much cheating; her "justification" doesn't matter.
No, look up the freaking episodes. She finds out about his lies at the end of season 2 (though she doesn't know about his involvement in meth production - just that he's involved with drugs somehow) and kicks him out in ABQ. "I Fucked Ted" is 3 episodes later in season 3. The relationship was already over at that point, at least in her mind.
I wouldn't call Skylar a hero either. Her downfall came before she knew what Walt was even doing. She was scum just like Walt. They were perfect for each other.
I never said she was a hero. I dont think anyone on the show is a hero. Maybe Hank. But the hate she gets is largely unwarranted and is mostly projecting IMO.
Smaggies ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:37:13 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What on Earth are you talking about? EVERYONE knows he's an anti-hero. I don't think I've ever talked to someone who didn't think he was a complete piece of shit.
People still root for him though because he's so compelling and she got in the way of him.
I never had a problem with her, mind, but your reasoning is nonce sense.
EVERYONE knows he's an anti-hero. I don't think I've ever talked to someone who didn't think he was a complete piece of shit.
You should check the responses I got then.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:34:50 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think they can both be hated. Part of what makes the show so creative is, as you pointed out, that they created a person who is easy to hate but that person also figures out the protagonist, the poor cancer patient, is a douche. But just because walt is a tool doesnt make skylar suddenly the good one
The only reason she should be hated is because she ruined the fun that Walt was having as we saw it through his eyes. The character of Skyler White was pretty much everything we should expect from a character in her position. I thought she was great.
At the start of that show I loved walter and hated hank. By the end of it my opinions were flipped around when I saw how much bad shit walter had done.
I never hated Walt, but it did take me a while. I don't wanna get into spoilers here but i'd say the Jane situation was when it finally hit me in the face. I had been blind to a lot of things.
5171 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:56:12 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No. Her character was full of negative emotionality and traits. Walt was bad, but she was far worse in terms of obnoxious people that don't deserve to talk.
I didn't like her character the first time I watched it because she came off as very hypocritical. Crime to her was somehow less horrible if she was the one in control. As in when she found out about her sisters petty thievery. She was more mad that she wasn't told about it immediately than she was that it was happening. As soon as her sister admired it, Skyler was way more okay with it. It went from a crime to a family issue.
Time and time again Skyler would freak out on Walt whenever she wasn't the one in control. Walts making meth? Crime! Skyler is in charge of the cover story? Family secret. Walts making way too much money? Crime! Now Skylers in charge of the laundering and the car wash? Family secret. As long as the money was going to where she wanted it to go and Walt was doing as he was told she was fine with all of it. The moment Walt goes off her path she goes ballistic.
I found her character less grating the second time when I binged watched it all at once.
I disliked her early on when she didn't know about his criminal activities. Like, the dude had cancer and for all she knew he was just having a bad time coming to terms with it.
jbaird ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 19:38:31 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah if you hate Skyler its usually since you're buying a bit too much into the 'Walt is a badass' part of the story and hate that she is trying to stop that. I mean.. Walk definitely is a badass.. but he is also a terrible person and Skyler acts pretty rationally to a husband that is out of control and lies to her constantly
[deleted] ยท -6 points ยท Posted at 20:33:08 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The show is about a guy who cooks meth, murdered lots of people, lies to and manipulates everyone around him ... and you take moral issue with a pregnant woman smoking 1 cigarette? That's what you found immoral and offensive in the show?
It's an amazing show and Walt is a badass, but he's an evil badass and if you're going to moralize the show don't pretend that Skylar is the bad one.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:47:30 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Oh my bad I forgot I mentioned Walt should be canonized and she's the only person in the wrong
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 23:12:05 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
A single cigarette. After all the stress she was going through, and you could tell it killed her to do it. Kind of a weird thing to define a whole character by.
I watched Breaking Bad to have fun and explore Walt's journey, not to try to convince myself to sympathize with his irritating wife just because, in reality, her reaction is completely realistic.
Of course it is. And of course Walt is a bastard. But that doesn't make Skyler any more fun to watch.
But Walt's journey isn't "Meth is awesome!" It's him realizing and embracing the very dark parts of himself. Conflict with the people he's supposed to love most is a necessary part of that.
People never hated on Walt Jr. to the same degree, even at the end when he started doing the same sorts of things Skylar was criticized for.
I now realize this is when I started to hate Skylar. That scene was something out of my worst nightmare. If I was Walt, I'd refuse cancer treatment too after that.
gnirpss ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 19:29:25 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
People don't hate her because they're sexist. They hate her because she was intentionally written as annoying to cause conflict for the protagonist.
[deleted] ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 20:15:53 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Don't like a female character and it's instantly sexism or misogyny. Not sure if you're being sarcastic but if not you have no idea how retarded you sound.
It's funny, I've never heard a smart person use the word "retarded" pejoratively. But the people who use it lack the self awareness to see the irony. They're making a hilarious joke that they themselves will never get.
You belong on /r/iamverysmart. He said that guy sounded retarded AKA intellectually impaired and you went, 'Nuh uh! I'm smart and you're dumb because I don't use that word that way!'
I really think the term PC is stupid. With a few exceptions, the "euphemism treadmill" is just the expectation to treat people with respect. Using "retarded" casually is so far beyond the pale. It's not like getting mad about the distinction between Hispanic and Latino, it's a word that is used exclusively to insult by comparing to a disabled person.
I'm asking not to be combative, but just to understand-- why are you so attached to a word that has nothing but negative implications? It's not descriptive. What do you get out of using it that you're so eager to fight for the privilege to be mean-spirited?
[deleted] ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 20:49:29 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
hilarious
I'm glad you enjoy the common use of a slang term so thoroughly.
I'm also glad you chose to be pedantic and critical about a minor detail of my comment instead of actually addressing my point that your "dislike female character = dislike all females" assumption is baseless and ridiculous.
I do find it strange how people get confused about fiction and get angry as if it were a real person. Really shows how easily manipulated people are on the basis of emotion. But in any case, I think it's in large part because she's a woman. And people might think I'm making something out of nothing, but I really do think the B word might come up when describing her, when more critically, she's much more sane and grounded than Walter white - a character largely viewed through rose coloured glasses as a badass or whatever else.
I tend to agree, though Im usually not so articulate about it. I think, because she's his wife, they view her as nagging and a distraction from a cool story about a guy slinging drugs and beating cancer. But the show was great because of the characters that forced the audience to stay grounded. Yeah, she was of a weak character originally, but Walter was also a good guy, like a lovable crime grampa in the begining. As Walt lost humanity, his family got dragged into everything, and.... well, I think I just like what the writer did with the show, and thought she was a good part of that. So, sometimes when people hate her, it feels a bit like they "didn't get" the show. Like people who read/watched Fight Club and decided to start garage fighting rings after. Which is fine, theres no right way to enjoy something, but still.
Honestly I think it's the same as the Voldemort vs Umbridge thing that people talked about elsewhere in this thread. Walt is objectively a much worse person than her (murders, sells drugs on a grand scale, acts like a sociopath about it all, etc) but I don't know any real-life drug lords, so I couldn't personally dislike Walt.
Skyler, on the other hand, reminded me of the worst qualities of a couple exes of mine, so it was insta-hatred for her.
If you have a son with cerebal palsy, a late-stage, late-life pregnancy and a husband with lung cancer and no health insurance I think you might earn the right to be a bit pissy. Especially if your husband begins to act out his Pablo Escobar fantasies. That said, Skyler is a bitch.
(But Marie, who essentially has it all, behaves far worse.)
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:43:37 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I agree with you, except I still really like Marie for some reason.
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 19:38:50 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
As a character I think she's very good, and has a personality complex enough to rival that of Walt.
[deleted] ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 19:32:32 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I always thought she was written terribly at first. In the pilot, she seems like the stereotypical "nagging" wife that would annoy anyone. Only when her character fleshed out did I start to like her, simply because that showed her as acting like a normal person with a fucking insane husband. I have since then realized she's a wonderfully strong and resourceful character, caught in a situation she didn't plan on EVER being in.
I definitely understand the hate in the beginning, but I thought she was much improved as the series progressed.
I always thought that Skyler was written that way on purpose, and in a clever way. In the beginning, you root for Walter and his cause. Skyler seems naggy and privileged and you can't wait for Walter to get out there and experience life and for Skyler to just fucking appreciate something.
Later in the serious, the entire thing switches and you find yourself hating Walter and the joke of a "cause" he still pretends to have. You realize Walter has been selfish the entire time and only fooling himself into thinking he was doing what's right, all while straying further off the path of what IS right. He practically abandoned his family and ruined the life he had left with them. Skyler might be naggy and annoying, but she was never wrong. She represents normality in every way, that's all she wanted, and she never asked to be caught up in Walter's end of life crisis. In the end, most viewers found themselves looking back and agreeing with her for the most part. She was the only person that saw through him for what he was the entire time (selfish, not that she knew he was into drugs the entire time).
pwndepot ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:01:19 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Watching that show as it aired: God damn Skyler is fucking annoying. Leave Walt alone!
Binging the show years later: wow, Skyler was actually often right, if not still a bit annoying, but god DAMN Walt is a fucking monster.
I like the hypothesis that Skylar is there to highlight the viewer's hippocracy for rooting for the bad guy. I mean yea, she's annoying and she's not exactly an innocent by the end of the show, but she's never the monster that Walter became. But people had no problem with him.
I actually stopped watching the series because of her character, sometime after her thing with Ted, and haven't been back. I've got all the seasons and know what happens, but her bitch stance was off the goddamn charts.
I'm not certain Breaking Bad would qualify as something nerdy. Though, Skylar was acted well enough for me to detest her.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:16:04 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Skyler was right though. Marie was straight up awful with no reason to be.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:44:37 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm 99% convinced that people hate her because she's a woman, and it's utter bullshit.
deysum ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:50:46 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I hated hank
arduit ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:19:02 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
At first, I totally hated her, all the way through the show. Then, I rewatched it and really I felt for her. I get Walts motives, but Skylers just trying to hold everything together.
Now when I was first watching the show, I'd probably agree with this. But Marie is like 10 times worse than Skyler is. The best Marie moment in the whole show is when Skyler just told her to shut up for 30 seconds straight.
I have never seen past midway through season 2 of BB, mainly because that's when she starts getting screen time outside of progressing Walter's character.
I hated her so much because she just seemed to be a bitch for bitch sake. If you are married to someone for as long as they have been, she should be able to tell he is trying very hard to take care of them. Yes it didn't end that way but I fully believe it is because she felt the need to try to be in charge after she found outx he seemed capable of keeping it hidden and working well without her help.
She was an awful black hole of boredom in limited scenes on Deadwood. Watched season 1 of Breaking Bad and can't get past even more her. It's gotten to the point where I think it's the actress and not the characters. Either she's EXTREMELY well cast or is a brilliant actress.
I'm in book 4 right now and Nynaeve is pretty whiny. She just can't get over the fact that no one cares about her opinions now that she isn't the Wisdom of Two Rivers anymore. The fact is that she was a time bomb who would have eventually been killed by her own power and should be grateful that Moiraine took her to Tar Valon. I expect her to go beast mode on pretty much everyone and never find true happiness.
Ixidor89 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:50:51 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
IMO, the parts where she's being whiny and angry are funny. It's rare that there's an instance of Nynaeve being angry at someone only to show that Nynaeve is angry, or has a temper. Usually it's to poke fun at it. For example, there's a part of book two (I think) where Nynaeve is whining to Elayne about how she's not the Wisdom anymore and what even is her calling in life anymore blah blah blah...
Anyway, Elayne says something to the effect of "It'll be all right" and Nynaeve responds "Please do not humor the Wisdom" basically right after having said that she's not the Wisdom anymore.
The fact is that she was a time bomb who would have eventually been killed by her own power and should be grateful that Moiraine took her to Tar Valon.
Spoilers maybe, but Moiraine is pretty specific about Nynaeve not being in danger because she's already past the age where she might have died/burnt herself out. They just keep Nynaeve around because she's got the highest power-level. Until Alivia comes along... and then Jordan/Sanderson never do anything with Alivia so it might as well be Nynaeve.
Furoan ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:54:10 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Nynaeve is actually one of the more interesting characters. I agree you, early books she was a massive cunt, she just got on EVERYBODY's nerves. Moiraines, the three Ta'Veran, other Aes Sedai, Elayne, Egwene, Min...it just went on and on. However after book 7 (whiere she was unbelievably bad) she actually started to mature. By the time of the last three books (the ones written by Sanderson) she was actually one of the more agreeable characters.
[deleted] ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 02:19:13 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Every detail except, you know, all the details. The "actually being written" part of the final three books is Sanderson's doing, and what's actually written down is the most important aspect of all of it.
Maybe Mr. and Mrs. Jordan planned on Nynaeve being less terrible, but it was Sanderson's words that made it so.
On boook 7 it's just so bad. I want to punch her. And not just her, it seems there will never be a likeable female character in those books. Except maybe Min. But i'll probably hate her by the end too.
Not likable, or not flawed? Because Egwene and Elayne are both fairly likable, they just have their flaws. Min is likable... Faile is likable...
stufff ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:30:38 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't find them remotely likeable. Their every other thought is about how some man is a "wool headed lummox" or how they'd like to slap their faces or box their ears or some other such bullshit. Every book I read I'm thinking "holy shit is this really what Robert Jordan thinks all women are like?"
No they really aren't. Elayne and Egwene just always ranting about how stupid men are. Aviendha has her moments where she isn't completely unlikeable but they just behave awfully, they are all the same, so whiny. Faile like Min is okay where i am but i have feelings she'll go south too.
Egwene and Elayne (and most Aes Sedai in general) think Men are foolish and impulsive. Mat, Rand, Perrin, and most male characters talk about how foolish and impulsive the female characters are. It's almost like both authors are making a point about how men and women perceive each other's actions.
But at least the male characters have more thoughts in their heads than that. All the women characters are nothing but whine, 90% of the time about men. And Egwene and Elayne have not been Aes Sedai long enough to be that indoctrinated by the others and their views of men.
stufff ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 08:29:08 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
it seems there will never be a likeable female character in those books.
I'm on book 4 and I feel this way too. The way Robert Jordan writes female characters I have to wonder if the man ever had a healthy relationship in his life. If every woman I met was a shrill nagging bitch whose only opinion of all men didn't extend beyond "wool headed lummox" I would just have to force myself to acquire a taste for cock because I wouldn't go near them
I tried to re-read again recently but by book 3 I was so fed up with all the braid tugging and her immature lack of self awareness - I mean she was supposed to be the town wisdom for crying out loud! How can she be so blind with hatred for Moraine, blaming her for everything that happens to them? Arrghhh i could rant about that bitch for an hour, you hit the nail on the head with this one.
I understand where you're coming from, but I honestly don't really mind her. She annoys me a little bit but all my hatred is used up on Laurel. I mean have you seen her face. ugh
iminnola ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 00:38:21 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The thing I hated the most was that finally she was kind of Badass at the beginning of the season. She actually fit in as enough time had past that it made sense for her to be as skilled as she was. She became an integral part of the team and wasn't troublesome, I thought "nice maybe she's becoming a sick character" then all that shit with the Lazarus pit happened and I was like "what the actual Fuck?"
ckubec ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:58:53 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You'd think she was a bad ass by now, but every fight Laurel ends up with her ass getting kicked. I feel the recurring joke with ppl I know that watch the show is what stupid thing will she do next, whether thats losing a fight or doing the lazarus pit crap.
And then they presented it as if we're supposed to agree with her. Bitch you ain't even equal to felicity let alone Oliver!
gary1994 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:11:15 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You'd think she was a bad ass by now,
No you wouldn't. She was working full time as an ADA while "training". So she would have been lucky to train 5-10 hours a week.
I despise the way the character warps reality around her. It's like they have to make all the other characters dumb to give her something to do and seem relevant.
I agree with the person above you about Laurel, but I will agree that sometimes Felicity makes me grind my teeth. I mean look, I am bi-polar almost anything of empathy or compassion can throw me into tears, but i will be damned if she does not cry more than i do. Has there EVER been an episode she does not cry in?
stufff ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 08:39:13 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"You can't go around lying and keeping secrets from everyone Ollie."
30 seconds later lies about going on a spa vacation to take her sister's body to Nanda Parbat, then keeps the fact that her sister is alive again a secret.
God. Both of them can get fucked. By each other for all I care.
Meanwhile Lisa is always there through battle and heartbreak. Whilst also dealing with her own (very real) issues both with her own struggles with the morality of war and her relationship with her dad (an influential military man and all round hard case.)
Minmei the cunt can't even get over the fact that sob this is all really happening to poor little me... and verybody keeps forcing me to sing a fucking song.
Meanwhile Lisa mans the bridge of a space fortress and helps her best friend through the grief of losing her one true love in battle. Whilst also brokering a peace treaty between the warring factions and bringing about an age of coexistence between the races.
Minmei the twat sobs in her dressing room about the only just having realized how badly she'd been treating Rick while she was swept along by the (now breaking) wave of fame that she had been caught up in.
What a fucken cooze and frankly Rick is also a knob for not seeing any of this before almost losing Lisa forever.
But honestly most guys I know (myself included) have been rick at some point. Young and wild, so when a girl first comes along showing a hint of interest in us we charge after it. I know in my own experience that the girl was destructive,but god forbid anyone say so because then they was morons...now i laugh with them at my stupidity.
I always liked Lisa; I mean badass dame in charge of a space fortress and quite foxy looking in a space suit!
You can kind of forgive him I mean his motives are always pure and he's kind of caught up in the whole romance of the thing. The chance meeting just as her star is rising (and shortly his too.) Now she's famous but he knew her when she was still a waitress in her uncle's noodle bar and he's loyal as all shit this guy too, almost to a fault so he stands by her when really he should move on.
He even leaves her to the treachery of creepy cousin Kyle at her request (almost to a fault like I said.)
Then there's all the confusion of Lisa.
Minmei is a girl but Lisa is a woman. She's complex. She's sexy, powerful, and vulnerable - especially to him. He doesn't know what the feelings he has for her are because she's the first time he's felt this way.
Most of their relations at first take place over the communicator during battle - can't even begin to imagine how fractured those communications are.
At the same time Lisa is learning about this kid battle by battle.
The mettle of him - so far beyond his years.
He's a talented pilot and largely out of control but he's also a born leader (remember her dad here) who leads from the front. Rare qualities that she's uniquely capable of seeing in him.
He's seducing her despite being younger and literally not knowing he's doing it, and what could be more perfect for a woman like that? A powerful, military career woman is not going to submit to the cheesy advances of some young buck but because Rick is unaware it makes him accessible to her.
In fact she behaves at first not unlike that girl on the playground who fancies you so she keeps punching you and being mean whenever she sees you.
When she realizes she's in love with him it is defeat.
For her she has been defeated by him and it could be no other way. She was raised like this. 'Her Man' would be the man who would win her, he would win her despite herself.
But Rick is a romantic remember, so for him she wins his heart by being consistent and yet unexpected and of course vulnerable.
The day she runs over to his prefab drunk in the rain to offer her love to him is the perfect gesture for him.
He's loved her for some time but he's immature and not the kind of person to have that self awareness anyway. He acts on impulse and intuition. He needs danger to make his system tick into action.
So Lisa has been in the background not trying to make any grand gestures, maybe even a little embarrassed that this young hot shot has her all a flutter.
That's her problem though, she needs to set off alarms to get his attention.
That's where Minmei has her beaten, she's a walking air raid siren. That particular damsel pretty much only does distress. But she's selfish and eventually that's her undoing. She wants to change him, wants him to stay home. Not go into battle. Not do the very thing that makes him who he is.
Meanwhile Rick and Lisa are growing together. They share politics (they both believe that humans and Zentraedi must find a way to live in peace or the war will destroy both sides) and they are selfless in their service to the citizens of Macross City.
Here's the crazy thing though: Minmei would have had everything she ever wanted if only she had known when she had it.
Had she been able to loosen her grip even just the slightest bit Rick would never have left her.
Lisa is everything Rick ever needed. She's an ally in the war. She's matriarch to this orphan. She's sensitive and so, so strong. She loves him with open hands and she's capable of this kind of love because she's mature.
Also as you said: she tight and a redhead to boot.
The day a boy stops falling for girls and starts falling for women is truly the he becomes a man. Say what you want about "becoming an adult" its becoming a man or woman. Ya the law says Rick was an adult but he wasn't a man till he stepped up in war and lead Skull Squadron (RIP Focker, the coolest Focker to exist).
Sakura from Naruto. I absolutely fucking hated her, and forever will cringe whenever I think about that dumb, useless, pink-haired fairy-fuck. She was literally THE epitome of useless.
I think a lot of the female characters weren't handled well in that series. In the manga when they're doing the chuunin exams, every male fight is drawn out in detail, then when temari fights tenten the fight mostly takes place off-screen.
Konan is straight badass, though.
Turterra ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 23:55:47 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Someone actually mentioning tenten?
Never would've imagined the day.
DanneMM ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 20:59:04 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well... not really anymore. But shes still weak compared to the important ppl.
Naruto and Sasuke got so strong they reached DBZ levels of power creep. Much like how Goku reached new levels of Super Saiyan, Sasuke got new versions of the Sharingan eye that just bordered on unbelievable. Like how the original forms of their power were only attained by very few people, they not only attained them, but moved beyond for the sake of power creep fighting porn. Like all the cool characters with interesting and diverse abilities and strong points from the chuunin exams were basically thrown into the background in Shipuden.
DanneMM ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 12:35:14 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I actually disagree with you on the cool characters being thrown into the background.
During the war there was alot of focus on the different fights. With Gaara, Kage of the stone( havent watched in a while), The right hand man of the Raikage and alot of others showing off a diverse set of powers.
Shippuden is also more focused on Naruto and Sasuke. While the non shuppuden series built the world, showing characters and a stable power creep. Shippuden is a focused story showing only what it needs of the ppl wich wont be a part of the last fight without loosing the context or weight of that fight.
Yeah, I guess I'm just salty that they threw away some of my favorite characters from the chuunin exams in favor of just developing the Sasuke vs. Naruto thing. It wasn't as interesting anyway, because I really hated how Naruto kept wanting to redeem Sasuke as a character when he was obviously very far gone and crazy. Even in their final fight, Sasuke had some bogus reasons, and had a bunch of twisted (understandable considering what happened to him) views that were just cliche and not very interesting.
Bokonomy ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 00:53:40 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Eh, what was the name of mr. Angst that she was crushing on? I hated that guy more. Actually, I hated Naruto too, once I saw it dubbed.
Sasuke was a very hit-or-miss character. Either he's cool because he's dark and brooding who follows his own path, or he's annoying because he's a whiny loner who's obsessed with his stupid "avenging his brother" mission.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:04:21 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Anyone who says Sakura is useless clearly hasn't watched anything past the first episode of Shippuden.
Annoying, on the other hand, that's a valid complaint.
MrAmoeba ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 05:26:03 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
She didn't really do much in Shippuden either. Ultimately it comes down to Naruto and Sasuke being spiritual whatever the hell they were because god knows Sasuke didn't have enough contrived reasons to be forgiven alongside half the villains in the series. Back to Sakura though, she still fails to do anything against Sasuke (Didn't she go against orders to try and go after him herself and had to have Kakashi bail her out?) and lies to Naruto about her affections, doesn't do anything significant against Pain, etc. The only thing I can immediately recall is that she defeated Sasori/saved Kankuro, and even then she needed his grandmother to keep her in the fight. Practically everyone interesting got sidelined towards the end, which was even more frustrating.
hehez ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:27:03 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Its mostly comparative to the powercreep boner that Kishimoto got for the themes of destined rivalry and history repeats in cycles but love and determination will break it. The story would've been so much better if it wasn't so fixated on the back and forth ninjutsu dicksize competitions between naruto and sasuke.
Sakura is very useless, but we mostly derive that from putting her next to the two most historically overpowered kids in narutoverse who really didn't earn their powers at all.
cheeky fantheory that, for whatever reason, is being treated so seriously.
Because it's one of those theories that's just so much better than canon, like the Empire really being the good guys, Roose Bolton being an immortal half-demon that wears skins as masks like the Faceless Men do, or Xion/"the real world" just being another layer of the Matrix rather than the world the Matrix exists in.
This is not better than canon, in my book. It's completely just me I guess, but I hate theories that try to whitewash the villain's actions and try to set it up as "they were acting good all along." And the whole "the emperor is the one and only person with knowledge of some super secret powerful invasion force that's coming to rule their galaxy so he's just secretly preparing the galaxy for it" is complete nonsense in my eyes, and would completely ruin his character.
Don't know about most of the others, and would like that last one, but I just go with the "no sequels were made" fantheory. :p
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:57:36 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'd say I'm somewhere in between; I like the idea that the Emperor is preparing for the invasion, but I dislike when people try to spin that as the empire being good. They're still really, really evil. And he isn't preparing out of the goodness of his heart, he's preparing because if he loses that war, he loses his empire/maybe dies.
That's a bit of a better compromise. Because if he was full-on good guy and was really secretly being a goody-good, that legion of jedi knights would be a stupid thing to eradicate.
People want it to be real, with those being disappointed that JJ Abrams didn't "revive George's vision" in the post-episode-6 movies.
tb0n3zz ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 21:02:51 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Whoreson Junior. Fucking degenerate.
Cwy531 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 22:32:14 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Twin Peaks: James Hurley
line6210 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 01:50:23 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Joffrey. Hes one of the few characters you hated so damn badly that you hate the actor who played him too. Hes also one of the few that you got to see die, although for me, it wasnt painful enough.
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 03:14:11 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Toby from The Office
If I had a gun with two bullets and I was in a room with Hitler, Bin Laden, and Toby, I would shoot Toby twice.
That's mostly because they were led to believe they would be playing as snake then he comes out of nowhere. MGS4 redeemed him to a lot of people though and he got Rising as his own title.
They were both stuck in there past Odo's required... bucket time, I guess you'd say. He doesn't let people see him like that, because of his history etc.
Troi takes her wig off and reveals she's got insecurities and depth and so on. It was a pretty well written, touching sequence. Made me see Lwaxana in a somewhat new light.
Okay. I'll give that one to you. The character did indeed achieve a certain amount of gravity from that episode. But holy smokes, that was like what, 12 years after she was introduced? I mean there's a lot of stuff to hate about that character. I'm just glad she didn't become a regular on any of the shows.
I definitely agree with you. I just had to hand it to the writers for DS9 that they thought "you know, I think we could do something positive with Lwaxana Troi" and then managed to do it.
Odo had to revert to his liquid form after a certain amount of time or he'd be unable to keep his form and it'd cause him pain. Founder equivalent of sleeping.
He usually kept himself in a bucket when he was in that state (really more of a vase thing, but it was called a bucket/pail).
karnyboy ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 05:09:07 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
LISTEN!
HEY!
Navi.
Alefron ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 05:46:59 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hey new here. But I just had to make an account to comment. The MOST annoying character ever. Is fucking Snarf from the original Thundercats.
I loved the cartoon network even though shortlived reboot. It was great. So I decided to go back to where it started.(I love 80s cartoons and the cheezness).
The show is so great but I can't get passed fucking Snarf oh my god. I watched like ten episodes and I was like if snarf shows up and does some stupid ass shit I'm gonna smash my TV.
80s Snarf is a bumbling idiot scared of every little thing. Not remotely interesting. And just overall so fucking awful and annoying.
[deleted] ยท 302 points ยท Posted at 17:47:00 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The spirit of the question implies which character is hated not because they are such an amazing villain but because they are such a crappy character. So Joffrey doesn't fit here.
This, watching Joffrey bite it was so satisfying and at the same time a bitter end to an intense character. Meanwhile, Lori's death on walking dead, a necessary end to a stagnant, lifeless burden of a character.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:07:52 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I was so happy when they both died. Like really excited.
So? That doesn't mean that's the only reason to hate someone.
[deleted] ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 20:02:30 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This thread isn't about which character is deliberately unlikeable. It says besides Jar Jar... The implication is which character was the worst not morally but in terms of ruining a story.
I don't know about other people but I really hated Joff as a character sometimes. In the show more than the book.
I mean, him torturing the prostitutes felt really edgy.
"Look how evil he is! Wow! Isn't he evil?"
It was as if they wanted us to hate him but it came off as forced and edgy, to me at least.
People keep disagreeing with you, but you're right. Duh, people hate Joffrey and Professor Umbridge - you're supposed to. The question is, what shitty character is ruining the things you like just by being in them?
He wasn't an amazing villain. He was the biggest dick of a character to ever exist.
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 19:08:02 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's what made him
An amazing villain. He was cruel, horrible, vain, hateful, stupid... It wasn't a poorly written character that ruined the show like Jar Jar.
All hail His Grace, Joffrey of Houses Baratheon and Lannister, First of His Name, King of the Andals and the Rhoynar and the First Men, Lord of the Seven Kingdoms, and Protector of the Realm.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 19:07:49 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
All hail His Grace, Joffrey of Houses Baratheon and Lannister, First of His Name, King of the Andals and the Rhoynar and the First Men, Lord of the Seven Kingdoms, Protector of the Realm, and Eater Of Fine Pies.
yes. Because there has never been a king joffrey baratheon before.
The mad king Aerys had the title of the second of his name. making him Aerys II. The thing is no one actually says Aerys "2". they would say aerys "the second" or more properly "the second of his name."
All hail His Grace, Joffrey of Houses Baratheon and Lannister, First of His Name, King of the Andals and the Rhoynar and the First Men, Lord of the Seven Kingdoms, and Protector of the Realm, aka The Insufferable Little Shit
Olly is a kid who knows nothing, he was raised a certain way with certain ideals and when the wildlings came they confirmed everything he was taught. So the way he acts is perfectly reasonable for a 10-11 year old.
Yeah, until he stabbed an already-dying Jon Snow. I get that he had to fit in with the rest of the Watch, but stabbing Jon felt more like him kicking a puppy.
[deleted] ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 03:48:12 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 06:21:22 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Because if you were a real nerd you'd know Gary Oak ended up chilling the fuck out and deciding to become a professor like his grandfather and being a cool dude.
Fuckin normie
Red__M_M ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 05:08:43 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm gonna step off the ledge and say Clippy from Microsoft. I hate Clippy. As in, I didn't bother disabling him, I straight up removed him from every copy of Office that I ever installed. You couldn't get him back unless you had the CD.
You know, I was watching the old movies to prepare for watching the new one, and the thing that kept coming back was that apparently I've never noticed how much of a whiney little shitbag 3P0 is
R2D2 is awesome the whole time, and he just bitches, and half the time cares more about himself than everybody else
The fuck are you talking about? 3PO was the shit. If it weren't for 3PO, R2 would have been a very dull and boring character. If it weren't for R2, Luke would still be harvesting and tending the farm with Uncle Owen.
I'm surprised no one's saying Adric from classic Doctor Who. He's sort of a proto-Wesley Crusher, and I've never met anyone with a good word to say about the character.
Tall0ne ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:44:59 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Wesley Crusher.
xiphasz ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:46:49 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
How the hell is JOFFREY BARATHEON not more popular on here. i cant think of a character i hate more...
Because Gane of the ones is boring and actually not a good TV show. It just got popular and everyone thinks they need to keep watching it. It's no better than Days of our Lives and about as much action and suspense too.
Bakkie ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 22:36:52 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I am tempted to use my throwaway account for this, but I tend to agree with you.
I watched on DVD and made into about episode 2 or 3 of Season 2 before I got bored
I wanted him to make a return in one of the Skyrim DLCs for the sole purpose of being able to wander up to the highest peak, have him find me there, then I would give him a FUS ROH DAH off the steepest side of the mountain
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:04:48 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The thief from Spyro who stole the eggs.. Fuck that guy
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 05:40:15 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Joffrey Baratheon
ryvandal ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 06:03:16 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Krillin.
Specifically because he had the chance to kill Android 18 with the 'Shut Down Remote' but because he had a crush on her he couldn't do it... therefore in the end killing Goku, Android 16 (The NICE android!) King Kai, Bubbles, Gregory, and future trunks... Nevermind all the innocent causalities in between...
Pussy aint worth killing your best friend for Krillin... Now you know why you die all the time... #Brosb4Hoes
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:51:38 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think the brilliant thing about Kefka's character is how in the beginning he's a kind of laughably incompetent villian. He fails a few times and you laugh at him. As the game progresses he starts to gain ground, and he does some evil, brutal things. He goes from laughable to scary and it makes you hate him and fear him. He's my favorite FF villian. (Sorry Sephiroth)
Kefka is the best Final Fantasy villain IMO. From his flamboyant attire to his vicious laugh all the way to the means in which he gains power.
Nah. Though she's powerful, everyone hates Vanille...even though the voice actress did an amazing job of executing her direction. Good direction? That's debatable.
From my understanding, she was told to have a Japanese inflection with English speech. Can you imagine rearranging sentence structures, constructing that structure's phonetics, then translating that phonetic directly to the original language structure??
When given a chance to decide whether he would live or die, comic fans overwhelming narrowly voted to have the little shit die. People paid money to call a special hotline so they could see him dead. The Joker ended up killing him after the poll concluded.
DC Comics eventually brought him back as a villain which some people liked and others hated ("I paid money to kill him and he's back alive now!"). Then he became an anti-hero and everyone hates him again.
Edit: I was wrong, the vote was incredibly close but there's evidence certain individuals were "spamming" the phone lines to inflate the vote.
Then he became an anti-hero and everyone hates him again.
I love Red Hood. He just needs a solid writer behind him.
Also, DC has to let the series be more adult than they are willing to do with a Batman character. He could very easily be a similar character to Punisher.
No Red Hood is a pointless character. His resurrection takes more away from the Batman mythology than it adds. You can have great writing but it doesn't overcome a flawed character who only exists for fan service/shock value.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 20:01:46 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I am really confused by your line of thought with this. Can you please elaborate?
Sure. Jason Todd is a perfect example of "you can't replace a legend" and of a character taking on a life of its own. Initially he was literally Dick Grayson part 2. He was a child from the circus, his parents died, etc and people obviously hated it. So he was retooled to be the anti-Dick Grayson. He had attitude, he was from the streets, had a mean streak but he ended up becoming a Dick who would not listen to Batman. He became an asshole. And as much as the writers tried to fix him, fans just hated him more. Until finally Jason killed someone and he became an irredeemable character. Which is why they decided that killing him should be an option.
So Jason became an embodiment of Batman's failure's. He became the story about Batman wanting a Robin so bad that he took a chance on someone who should not have been a Robin. But bigger than that, Jason's death was a reminder that Batman was human. Unlike the other heroes, he could die. Just like Babs being paralyzed was a reminder of that. When Bane broke the Bat, it was serious because you had a dead Jason and paralyzed Babs reminding you that danger is real in this world. It could be permanent because Jason was dead and Babs was in a wheelchair.
Flip that to now when Alfred was kidnapped or Damian was killed, its harder to take those threats serious when Jason Todd is standing there. You have taken away the threat of death in Batman.
Now some would argue that Jason is a walking reminder of Batman's failure, or that he is Batman taken to the extreme or his dark reflection. But Batman is a man who sets the entrance to the cave by the time his parents were murdered. He keeps Jason's uniform encased, he does not a reminder of his failures. Also, there is Prometheus, Owlman, Midnighter, Wrath and many others who are dark reflections of Batman.
Hell if you want a Bat-son with attitude, we now have Damian. So not only does he add nothing, but bringing him back takes away the death that meant so much to the Batman mythos.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:04:51 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Wow that's actually a great way to look at Jason. I really liked your answer and you gave a damn good argument. I guess he is like the Gwen Stacy for Spider-Man.
I still love Jason. But I mean his personality, every thing about him is all defined by that one moment, his death. His heavy pessimism and still apparent violence in the flesh is still a reminder. I reminder that Bats thinks about every day when he looks at the Red Hood. A reminder that Batman thinks about when he looks at Damian because he doesn't want the same thing to happen to him. I get the threat of death.
But the character himself is very interesting to see imo. Like not with how Batman sees him but with just Jason. I like to read characters that are broken on the inside and Jason is a great example of this.
I guess what this has made me realize, is that Jason Todd currently is a great character but it would have been best if he stayed dead for Batman. So I guess he should have taken a role as Gwen Stacy, Batman's parents, etc. But would you also agree, along that same line of logic, that Bucky should have stayed dead as well instead of being resurrected as the Winter Soldier?
I am not trying to tell you you can't like Jason Todd. You can like whoever you want, I am saying he is a flawed character because of the reasons I stated. People are often attracted to broken characters, i have never really been that way. My favorite heroes are Dick Grayson, Cyclops, and Kitty Pryde. Aside from Cyclops are probably the two most well adjusted characters in comic book history.
I'm not a big Cap fan so its harder for me to say because I don't have as much knowledge as I do if we were talking X-Men or Batman. But I don't think Bucky has the same impact in coming back that Jason does. But I have a problem with how death is treated in comics in general. It has no meaning other than shock value.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:44:43 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah I got that. I like Jason Todd but I understand what you are saying.
Death shouldn't only be what means so much to the Batman mythos. It should also be about hope and second chances. And that's what Damian's resurrection was about: how much you would go for a second chance with someone you love and to do a better job as a father.
The Batman stories after Batman Inc #8 seemed like a cycle of depression and futility. Batman went through one meat grinder then another. If I was following the titles during that time, I think I would've taken a break from Bat stories.
His mission to Apokolips could've ended differently, but it offered something hopeful amidst what was happening in Detective Comics, Batman, and Batman Eternal. I'm glad Peter J Tomasi and his team went through the trouble of not only bringing back Damian, but making that journey meaningful, hopeful, and just balls-to-the-wall fun.
Death shouldn't only be what means so much to the Batman mythos. It should also be about hope and second chances.
What do you think Dick and Tim are? Dick is Batman's greatest victory. A child seeing his parents killed to senseless violence, believing if he did something different his parents would be alive. But instead of wallowing in self pity and holding that grudge, Bruce gave a shoulder to lean on.
The problem is for Batman to grow, he would need to realize that he can do more as Bruce ad not Batman. Resurrecting Damian or Jason will not do that. All it does is lessen the impact of those stories and future stories. That isn't hope or a second chance. Tim was Batman's second chance with Jason. Hope is giving Dick, Tim, and Damian the chance at a better life.
I'm glad Peter J Tomasi and his team went through the trouble of not only bringing back Damian, but making that journey meaningful, hopeful, and just balls-to-the-wall fun.
But it was almost the same Journey that Bruce went through when Jason died and he met Tim. While it is a good story and I am not saying you can't like it, but to say that that story is worth bringing a character back to life is not something i'd agree with. It comes off superficial to me.
And lastly, what does it add? Is Batman a better character now than he was at the start or is it the false allusion of change that Stan Lee talks about where in the end a character is right back where he was at the start of the journey? I'd say it is the former.
And with Cassandra. Just because it already happened to Dick and Tim doesn't mean it should stop there. Batman's story started with death, but personally, I would prefer to have more hope and second chances than just someone in his dying and him having to act like the biggest tool again.
Having them back in his life is another avenue to explore their story just as their death would provide another. In the end, the skill of the writer should bring the story to where it should go. Whether or not you will be convinced is another.
Having them back in his life is another avenue to explore their story just as their death would provide another. In the end, the skill of the writer should bring the story to where it should go. Whether or not you will be convinced is another.
Or they could do something else without taking away the importance of their death. Like a good writer should be able to do.
comic fans overwhelming voted to have the little shit die.
Lol what? No. That is completely, 100% false. The vote was 5,343 to 5,271, a difference of only 72 votes. When we are talking about votes numbering in the thousands then 72 isn't even close to being "overwhelming". Its a difference of less than 1%
And tons of people love the Red Hood character, especially after the animated Under The Red Hood movie boosted his image. And that movie would have never been made if he wasn't already somewhat popular of a character. Let that sink in. DC greenlit an entire, full length animated movie about that character specifically. Entirely about him. And you think he is on the level of Jar Jar Binks?
If he was really that much of a hated character then they wouldn't keep using him constantly, and constantly referencing him in many different Batman comics, games, animated movies, etc.
I honestly have no fucking clue where you are getting the idea that Jason Todd is a universally hated character because it is absolutely not true in any way.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 20:05:16 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah right? I'm not against him having an opinion. I understand that there were people that disliked Jason Todd when he was Robin. But I really haven't heard of anyone complaining about him as Red Hood. Yeah there is poor writing but despite that people like him.
Huh, I remember reading that the margin was only close because one guy had a machine that constantly called the line to let Jason live, but rereading that guy was actually for killing Jason Todd.
I should not I actually really like Under the Red Hood, but him becoming an anti-hero afterwards was really poorly done.
You also forgot to mention that one dude was responsible for hundres of the votes because he rigged it so that he could vote multiple times.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:49:40 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah I agree as a big comic fan you are completely right. Jason Todd wasn't really a hated character. And I think they did an amazing job of turning his death into a tragedy and a really deep part of batmans character.
An old saying used to go "No one stays dead in comics except for Uncle Ben, Bucky Barnes, and Jason Todd." That saying is even funnier now that two of the three have been resurrected.
Everyone loves Nightwing. Dick Grayson is in the opposite boat, possibly the most loved DC character. Jason Todd is the current Red Hood, which was cool for all of one animated movie before they made him a misunderstood motorcycle enthusiast.
Dzjill ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:08:48 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ah shit, I got my characters mixed up. Nevermind then.
It's just lazy writing. They are a character that's always around to be used to create conflict when the plot calls for it.
[deleted] ยท 63 points ยท Posted at 18:40:02 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I really liked Marie and Skylar. I sympathized with their characters, and thought their actresses did a pretty good portrayel of women who would be stuck in situations like that. I never even realized there was any hate for them until I started looking up BB discussions on Reddit after finishing the last season.
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 19:36:30 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I responded to a similar comment above about Skyler, but I also loved Marie. She was annoying at times, but you really got a feel for how she acted and why. She engaged in illegal activity as well, and served to show another instance of "everyone does something illegal/bad" in the show. She was useful! Just not for identifying minerals.
It's mostly a "nerds are sexist but don't think they are" thing.
[deleted] ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 19:11:33 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
People dislike Skylar because she interferes with the protagonist's goals. In a TV show, viewers tend to sympathize with he protagonist, even if he's doing bad things. Skyler gets in the way of that, so it's natural to dislike her, even if she's behaving exactly as she should.
People dislike Marie because she's a lying, manipulative, stealing, spoiled bitch. There is literally nothing likable about her and several things that clearly identify her as a shitty person. In the first season, she nearly gets Skylar arrested by giving her stolen jewelry, then refuses to apologize or even admit that it happened. So yeah, I don't like her.
I don't think it was that Skylar was basically an antagonist, I think it was that Skylar was just a really annoying character. She was meant to be a loving wife torn between sticking with her husband and upholding the law, and it was meant to show how Walt's new life was interfering with his old one, but it ended up just making her look both incredibly angsty and incredibly indecisive. Every time she appeared, I just felt like shouting "For god's sakes lady, stop complaining about what's happening and go DO something about it!"
Hell, even when she decided she wanted in on Walt's "gentleman's business", she was still whining! She was a drug lord whinging about how she was a drug lord, as if she was forced into the role by slavery! It was just so annoying!
[deleted] ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 19:12:10 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No its more of a "Marie needs to shut the fuck up so the plot can continue" thing.
Oh c'mon, "People don't like this character because they're bigoted" is the ultimate in being so cock-sure of your own opinions that you believe there must be something actually wrong with anyone who disagrees with you.
Early in the show Skyler was the voice of morality, which draws some ire if you're a staunch proponent of Walt's descent into the drug trade.
In Anna Gunn's NY Times op-ed (that I recommend reading if you haven't yet), she explains "Because Skyler didnโt conform to a comfortable ideal of the archetypical female, she had become a kind of Rorschach test for society, a measure of our attitudes toward gender."
[deleted] ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 20:02:44 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
I didn't say that. Do you understand how analogies work?
I feel like it shouldn't take 3 messages for you to understand that the basic is that all crimes aren't equal. Your original message implies that she is just as bad as Walt and that is ludicrous.
In the first few seasons nearly every scene she's in she is bitching, complaining and trying to control Walt. Walt is a shithead about 70% of the time too so it's understandable why she's always up his ass but that doesn't change the fact that she gets in the way of the interesting parts of the plot.
Yeah, the easiest way to ignore criticism is to define it as racist or sexist or whatever. It lets you cover your ears and pretend everyone else is wrong.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 21:01:53 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
There's a difference. Marie is unlikeable because she's so narcissistic, thoughtless, and can't take responsibility for her actions. Skylar is actually a pretty reasonable character. She's trying to hold her family together, or at the very least, get Walt Jr. through his teenage years without totally fucking him up. People just didn't like her because she spoils the "fun" part of the show: Walt's wacky drug-and-murder hijinks.
hulk181 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 22:10:48 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
To me, it was more than that. She's got an annoying voice and her face kinda pisses me off too. Plus, she cheated on Walt and gave almost all Walts money to her boss who she was banging. I kept thinking, why is Walt trying so hard to save a marriage to that bitch. He'd be better off without her.
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 01:08:56 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's okay though, because she is a woman.
zellfire ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:39:16 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I loathed Marie the first few seasons, but came to like her okay by the end.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 18:09:30 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Non-neckbeard fans of BB don't mind them at all.
porphyro ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 18:37:45 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not sure that's fair; the thing about Skyler is that almost whenever she comes on screen, her function is to delay the plot and try to stop Walter from progressing his meth business. She, as a character, is well-written, realistic, relatable and well acted, but someone who is watching and waiting to see how the plot develops might feel frustrated during her scenes because she, as a plot agent, is acting against what that viewer wants to see. They want to see the meth plot progress, Skyler scenes not only don't progress that plot but pull it backward
Most people didn't like Skylar, because for the first few seasons she was barely even a character. She was just a plot point, something to give Walt another conflict with. Around the time she figures out what Walt was really doing she started to come around as a decent character, but for a lot of people the hate was already there.
Not a neck beard, didn't like either of them. Marie was a manipulative and self-centered person. Skylar was extremely passive-aggressive. I honestly didn't like most of the characters on the show aside from Mike, Gus and Gomez, but that's because they were so well written that they reminded me of shitty people I know in life.
only really liked mike and saul, out of however many seasons.
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 19:12:54 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If you don't hate Marie, then you must not hate any fictional character. She's one of the most hateable characters I've ever seen, outside of murderers/rapists/other serious criminals.
Marie was a little nuts, but I liked Skylar. Everything she did was a bit over the top, but at the same time her husband was a freaking meth kingpin out of left field. She just wanted life to be normal again.
Katherine Pulaski, second season doctor on TNG. Almost everything about her was annoying. She's full of herself, and condescending to everyone around her.
EDIT: Really need to stop trying to English at 1am...
Moerty ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:26:12 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
xander cruz? he's just the president of the mega corp that makes the awesome-x dolls, i don't know what your beef is with him.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:16:01 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Boosh!
[deleted] ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 17:51:33 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The ghost from destiny. They even changed the voice actor and he's still just as bad. The game itself had no real story and what was there of it was very forgettable. Aside from that, it's not a bad game. I could do without having to visit different kiosks just to get new weapons or outfits but I guess that's what Bungie had in mind.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:55:56 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He's pretty funny now actually, and the consensus among the majority is that he's well liked, so I don't think he belongs here.
I agree, and even when it was the sort of mono-toned computer voice of dinklage he was a good character, The real problem is in all of the fan fics, and written stories in destiny's lore the ghosts have such personality and character that they are an active part in the story. Not just a floating light brite lock pick with an affinity for telling people where we are.
Very well liked by most in general, if anyone from the destiny universe is hated its more likely to go to Eris morn or "The Stranger" and those were just poor writing and an overly aggressive amount of grimdark 2spooky5you
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:37:29 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I really don't like the Stranger. I don't think I've ever seen such an irrelevant character in a video games. She appears, tells you how evil the Vex are, then GTFO until you kill the Black Heart and gives you her rifle.
I am nowhere near as committed to the game and community as I was a few months ago, but IIRC bungie said that she was apart of a campaign story line that was removed when Activision got ahold of the game. That she was and will be in the future, a very important character who is worth more and does a lot more.
Would have been cool if she had time to explain why she didn't have time to explain but who knows.
If you read the grimoire cards, there's a hell of a lot of story. You're right being that you can't access the cards from in game, but saying there is no story is ridiculous.
You're revived and go to this place where there are a bunch of people like you. You have a shitty ship so you go and try to get a new one. Spooky aliens come down so you investigate. Realize there's an invasion coming, so you set up an array but find an old A.I in the mainframe. Go to the moon to find a guardian so we can find out wtf is going on up there. Realize they have a weapon that can permanently kill you so you destroy it. Find out a part of your god is being studied to find a weakness, so you rescue it. Go to Venus because you got a tip about how to slow down all these douchebags that are starting fights everywhere and discover time traveling murderbots...etc
All the missions in the game had a point. Even the raids.
VoG: this one vex dude can control time and is pretty much the main reason the vex can time travel. Go kill it to stop their progression.
Crota's End: so this dude is coming to murder every living thing in the system. We gotta stop him for the sake of our system.
Prison of elders: (ok, I'll give you this one) So we stop a rebellion that discovered how to time travel and we locked him up. Now we're gonna go kill him in his own cell.
The Taken King: so the god you killed had a dad who has been searching for the traveller and you pretty much expedited his arrival. Way to go. Now go kill him.
I mean, obviously its not your cup of tea. I've been playing since the beta and still enjoy searching for new things I haven't found or even playing the old stuff with different play styles.
You know what? I'll agree with you there. they could have done a lot of things differently and I think now that the game is out there, they'll make it to how they originally wanted it to be
i must say, as of today, i find him to be more and more interessting. he's putting much more effort in his acting and has become quite self-aware about his personality and behavior. he's like this strange cousin, you only see a few times a year and always surprises you with something new.
chrimata ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:18:06 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I meant the books portray Voldemort much better than the movies do. They are both awful but Voldemort was much more terrifying (at least to me) in the books. Umbridge was satanic and tortured kids while still trying to have this sweet and innocent demeanor about her and I hate her too.
viserov ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:34:54 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No. Not being whiney and insecure to does not make them perfect or flawless. Take Tom hank's role in Saving Private Ryan. He was confident, pragmatic, a leader even though he was suffering from severe psychological damage done by the war, and didn't let emotion get in the way of what he needed to do. Was he perfect? Definitely not, he didn't agree with his mission, he almost let two of his men shoot each other, and at least one of his men was killed because of his orders.
People like characters who have feelings but don't constantly whine about them like some sort of shitty soap opera
sfdud ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:14:44 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He was a Hardy boy in that movie...
chuiu ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:07:40 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Tornado Shanks in Sealab 2021. After Harry Goz died in 2003 they had to replace his character (Captain Murphy) in the show with another. The new character ended up not being funny and the show ended up being cancelled after people stopped watching.
I don't know if she's universally hated but I haven't enjoyed having Yuffie in my FF7 party much. She's a bit of a dick - rude and disrespectful to villagers who tell us their stories and taking all our materia without apology was a bit of a piss-take.
Not a massive fan of Cait Sith either but I don't think that backstabber's really meant to be too likable...
tearlock ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:58:54 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Navi from The Legend of Zelda - The Ocarina of Time.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:14:29 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
There are surprisingly few universally-loathed characters like Jar Jar.
But there are characters that are hated within specific fandoms. Dr. Pulaski is seen as an irrelevant interloper in Star Trek TNG. Riley is despised among Buffy fans. Seven is held in contempt among fans of Married...With Children.
pcyr9999 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:32:29 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The Pokemon that pop up in caves every two feet because you're too stingy to use a repel.
That autist Sheldon on Big Bang Theory. Motherfucker pretends to be a nerd, but I'm pretty sure he spent 10 minutes debating between ps4 and xbox to his gf. If that fucker were a real nerd he'd build a PC.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:11:46 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Huey.
rakereha ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:16:27 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This probably isn't a big one but I really don't like the character played by Lucy Lawless in "Ash vs Evil Dead". She is just way too "look at me I'm a badass character" with the leather jacket and the muscle car and the ninja skills and the lack of expression.
I haven't watched for a while out of sheer lack of time. The Lemonhope episode seems like the logical conclusion of the single annoying character so it must be good from there.
Later seasons tend to veer away from Finn and Jake which is a real shame since their interactions and adventures are what hooked me. They also try a little too hard to add to the backstory; they cleared up what Susan is, they showed how Jake got his powers, there's even an episode on how B-MO was made. Maybe it's just me but I liked the more ambiguous parts of the show.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:16:01 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't know about the rest of the people, but I find Leonard from TBBT fucking annoying. Not sure he's "universally hated", but I sure hate that character.
Thankfully, our hero dumps her for Lisa Hayes. Good choice on her part. Lynn is useless and Lisa is... well... Admiral material.
estyll11 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:08:34 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If you include wrestling, Roman Reigns has his detractors. However, I enjoy him.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:09:06 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
When jar-jar was introduced, I said, "fuck this and did not watch another Star Wars," this new one comes out and i ask,"will some writer-animator come up wait a new Jar-jar tofu sw's"
Krillin from Dragonball Z : 90% of his screen time - "Goku! Aaaaahhhhh!!! (Dramatic gasping) most useless piece of shit ever with his fucking destructo disk bullshit that he uses in like 1 episode. Literally the rest of the time he just stands around gasping. When he grows hair later it's the worst. I'm so happy when FrieZa blows his ass up. Less gasping
Raiden in Metal Gear Solid 2. Snake. Everyone just wanted to play as Snake.
(I mean, come on! The first words out of his mouth are practically "Wha-what!? There are hostiles here??? I was told it'd be a simple mission without combatants!")
Suzaku Kururugi I've never met anyone who enjoyed Code Geass that liked his character, either masterfully crafted to be hated or just terribly written I'm not sure myself.
Navi was cool , besides the constant hey listen bullshit
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:20:43 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That little incest-bastard Joffery. Fuck that whiny bitch. The Tyrion slapfest was one of the most satisfying scenes in TV history. Props to Jack Gleeson for making him so hateable.
Harry Kim from Voyager. I hate how he is always falling in loooove with women he's just met. I really, really hate him in that episode where he falls in love with a girl and has sex with her and gives Janeway this incredibly cringe-worthy speech about falling in love and says "Have your cheeks ever flushed?" she was ENGAGED when Voyager left Earth Harry. She knows how it feels like to be in love. You're being a dick. And he's so whiny always complaining about being an ensign and not being promoted. "I might be a lieutenant commander by now!" He acts like a child. Seriously Janeway should've spanked him on the ass.
beeeel ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 12:45:37 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah I don't see a problem with her either, and John's gripping moment of realizing he subconsciously seeks out high functioning sociopaths was a really good scene. She was introduced maybe a little too early to become a main character though, but I still love her.
This is super late, but a lot of people on tumblr were super into Holmes and Watson being gay for each other and Amanda Abbington got a couple death threats via Twitter because her character ruined their weird fetishy fuck fantasies.
ycnz ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 19:05:50 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Currently playing through FF7 again. I hated Cait Sith first time through. This time I've found him one of the best characters to level up materia with and a good character to play.
Despite his questionable motives
dunzoes ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:47:42 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I agree I'm playing through it again also, he used to annoy the shit out of me but I feel like he's going to be a much more interesting character in the remake. He's a high level Shinra employee fed up with Gyahahaha and Kyahahahs bulllshit so he starts communicating and planning with a group of individuals with not only a grudge against Shinra but they are directly responsible for stopping their plans every step of the way only because of Cait Siths information.
Luwaxanna Troi and Deanna Troi. Holy fucking jesus what the fuck is wrong with these women? Probably like the one thing my girlfriend and I vehemently disagree on is she loves Deanna Troi and thinks she's an incredibly important character and I can't stand her and point out how all the Troi centric episodes just suck. Anything with her mother in it I just skip or change the channel on.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 05:52:46 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hated for the complete opposite reason of Jar Jar. Umbrage is such a fantastic character because how much JK made you hate her. I hated her more than Voldemort I think. People hate Jar Jar because he is just a terrible terrible character
Does your account cease to exist after you've posted a comment? If not, and if you've got some extra time, I could use some help getting a couple of strokes off my golf game.
OMG yes. It's like "Oh, we've kind of gotten rid of that annoying Wesley character, but something seems missing.... I KNOW, let's create a spoiled Klingon version of Wesley!!"
Indeed, and there's an obvious rapport between them.
Jar Jar was typical over the top comic relief in an effort to inject humor into the film. Han & Chewie provided some of the humor from the originals, but it was usually in the form of amusing banter between old friends, which generally feels more natural.
bpoag ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:02:46 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I always lol at the idea that, because the creators intended a target audience as kids, adults can't enjoy it. Oh, wait, adults watch Spongebob and don't get hated for it.
...oh, wait. My Little Pony was made for girls. GIRLS. So of course adult men can't watch that.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:51:42 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm being rather sarcastic, but I'm quite serious. I find the idea patently ridiculous that adults can't enjoy whatever the fuck they want to enjoy. If an adult enjoys reading "The Very Hungry Caterpillar," why does any other adult get to say that that's not acceptable for a person to do? Why does any person have any degree of authority when they say what amounts to, "Quit liking things I think are stupid"?
I particularly enjoy this (fairly well-known) quote by C. S. Lewis. The last sentence is often quoted alone, but the entire paragraph is better together: "Critics who treat 'adult' as a term of approval, instead of as a merely descriptive term, cannot be adult themselves. To be concerned about being grown up, to admire the grown up because it is grown up, to blush at the suspicion of being childish; these things are the marks of childhood and adolescence. And in childhood and adolescence they are, in moderation, healthy symptoms. Young things ought to want to grow. But to carry on into middle life or even into early manhood this concern about being adult is a mark of really arrested development. When I was ten, I read fairy tales in secret and would have been ashamed if I had been found doing so. Now that I am fifty I read them openly. When I became a man I put away childish things, including the fear of childishness and the desire to be very grown up."
tl;dr: When you call out adults for liking MLP or other kid things, you're not stating some sort of profound truth about that person. You're just spouting an opinion, worth as much as any other opinion.
Seriously all the other characters are interesting g they have depth and hobby's and shit and he's just like"durhur ima be a pockiemon master with a shotton of u evolved pokemon.
vallie24 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:43:08 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Jace from the MTG universe.
He's so goddamn uninteresting in the lore because most of the time all he does is fill the slot of "token blue mage." Wasn't until recently that wizards actually fleshed him out so now at least he's a marry sue with an interesting backstory.
RichTea ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:27:01 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Olly
Bleachi ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:27:07 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Tidus.
Bleachi ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:27:48 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The whole cast of Final Fantasy 13. Snow, Hope, and Vanille get bonus points.
Fun fact: Vanille's accent isn't fake. Her voice actor is actually Australian.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:46:05 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Preston Garvey is pretty universally hated by anyone whose played fallout 4. While you're pondering that I've got a settlement that needs your help. I'll mark it on your map.
dmso_hue ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:48:21 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm going to take a stab and say Chevy Chase, specifically as Pierce Hawthorn in Community. Not only was his role half-assed executed, but he was a pain to the cast and crew.
Jace Beleren from Magic the Gathering is generally disliked. People say he's a Gary Stu for the game's target audience of nerds, and that he's less "cold, aloof genius telepath" (as apparently intended) and more "snotty kid who needs to be put in his place already." Also, he gets more story arcs and face time than the other characters, and is the semi-official mascot of the game, so he's hard to avoid.
Squirrel Girl. Transformed from an amusing and interesting one-off character to a Mary Sue/pet character of epic proportions. Can literally beat any Marvel Comics antagonist, including Galactus....as long as it's off-panel, so that the writers can just state how great she is and not actually have to do the work of explaining how a teenaged girl with nothing but enhanced agility, claws, a tail and the ability to talk to squirrels to her name can defeat beings that the Avengers, FF, X-Men, etc., have trouble dealing with.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:17:01 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
i was hoping wesley crusher was on the show so he could be tossed out an airlock, and getting stabbed from behind was cool, but then he kept hanging around. :(
Resetti from Animal Crossing is pretty high on the scale for me.
Emene ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:40:50 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Jim, from the book Lord Jim. I hated him with a passion, and it was that hate that made me finish reading the book, even though I was disgusted by him.
Richard Rahl from the Sword of Truth series. The guy is boring as fuck and can't lose a fight. I wish Nathan Rahl had been the main character of the series because he was a badass, a ladies man, and had common sense.
Roggenrola in Pokemon. Let's take this newby-ass pokemon that you could kill in one hit 15 times over, and give them an ability that makes them impossible to ohko. Let's also make them appear every few steps you take before you even have a chance to buy repels.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:35:20 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
She hasn't been mentioned yet so she must not be UNIVERSALLY hated, but Martha, series 3 Dr Who companion. She got to see the entire universe and spent the whole time bitching about the Doctor not being in love with her. I HATED her.
Mr. Resetti from Animal Crossing - Stopped playing that game pretty much solely because of that shitlookin',mole-faced, long-nosed, capital letter wielding cunt.
Galveira ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:41:56 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The owl from ocarina of time. Also how you kept clicking A to get to the end of his speech and then accidentally hit I want to hear it again. Most annoying part of any game ever!!
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:10:11 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Why is Jar-jar so hated?
Bakkie ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:34:18 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Because his body proportions, movements and speech style suggest old time subservient blacks from US entertainment context. He is seen as a negative throwback.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:15:51 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Katniss Everdeen. I get it, her world sucks and she's been through some shit, but holy fuck can she go more than 5 pages without curling into a ball and crying? Also, the really lame three way love triangle that isn't really a love triangle got real old real fast. Almost as bad as the horrible present-tense, first-person narration. Can't believe I stuck it out to read all three books.
He had reasons for being a dick. Elrond is actually a half-elf you see and once he had a twin brother, Elros. His brother chose to age and die as a man while Elrond chose to live forever as an elf. Elros became the first king of Numenor and an ancestor of Aragorn. Elrond didn't want Arwen to be with Aragorn because he knew she would make the same choice as his brother and turn her back on elvenkind.
Is your father one of the elven folk? If so then yes. Elves are immune from the consequences of folly because of their fabulous hair and amazing eyebrows.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:21:15 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Don't know how broad we're going but Balloon Boy from FNAF.
Fucking hell.
Faleen ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:21:26 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Orihime Inoue. I love her but most people hate her.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:23:45 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Olly.
hassss93 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:26:15 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Lana Lang from Smallville, the show really picked up again when she left , whiny cow
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:30:41 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Why is Jar Jar hated? I've never really understood that one.
Bakkie ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 22:32:57 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Because his body proportions, movements and speech style suggest old time subservient blacks from US entertainment context. He is seen as a negative throwback.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:44:29 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Carth Onasi/Kaidan Alenko. Voiced by the same actor, these guys get absolutely shit on. Not disagreeing at all, but honestly, I thought Ashley was a huge bitch in ME1 and left her to die on Virmire. Just saying.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:45:34 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
To be universally hated you'd have to be universally known. I think the percentage of nerds who know Adric well enough to hate him is pretty small. Besides he got blown up, you can't really keep hating someone who got blown up in their teens in an act of self sacrifice.
The Natalia character in the N64 Goldeneye video game. She was frequently a part of escort missions in the game and despite being an unarmed liability seemed to have a death wish whenever you encountered enemies. She was exceptionally challenging to keep alive and behaved idiotically more often than not. Everyone who played that game on N64 knows my frustration.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:32:45 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Storywise, it's easy to hate Heliod after what he did to Elspeth during Theros block.
Most people are also sick of Jace and are demanding for a new Mono Blue Walker.
That bitch from fallout 4. You know the one who always complains how shitty your setlement is. Come to think of it, her brother probably became a junkie because of her.
It's not exactly part of Nerd culture, but I'll jump on the hated-because-great-execution type of character.
The guy from Dirty Harry, the Scorpio. That film does a stupidly good job in making you hate him. Genuine 'I want to shoot that motherfucker dead right now' hatred.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:40:31 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"It looks like you're trying to write a resume"
Fuck Off CLIPY!
synnra ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:41:45 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Has anyone said Elmyra from Pinky and the Brain and Elmyra, and Tiny Toons
Bloo from Foster's Home for Imaginary Friends. That show was wonderful in many ways. The decision to make Bloo the chief imaginary friend was the wrong one.
STFware ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:51:59 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Nobody thinking about annoying Usopp from One Piece?
I always hated Tasslehoff from what I would otherwise consider a very excellent series of Dragonlance books. He was way more obnoxious than Regis ever was from the Drizzt books.
I actually thought he was one of the more popular characters (though perhaps in that love to hate/hate to love kind of way).
Certainly one of the more entertaining ones, especially with the Robot (whereas Don always seemed rather boring). Then again it might just be people's nostalgia I'm seeing.
Toss up between the Sergeant from MW2 solely for "Aim Down Your Sights"
Or the Guild Master from Fable 1 who constantly reminded me of my low health and encouraged my poor eating decisions.
For anyone who shares my hate for the guild master, in case you missed it, in Fable 2 I believe there is a book that recounts the events of the guild fire. Apparently someone who despised the master carved into his forehead the words "Your health is low"
Skyler White. She's easily the most rational, at the times the most forgiving, and even serves as a moral compass here and there, but she needs to seriously shut up and let Walter make an absurd amount of meth and ingrain himself deeper into the inner workings of regional cartels and gangs.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:36:53 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Iris from The Flash is just about as self-centered and obnoxious as a character could get, in my opinion.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:39:47 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That robot from Spacecamp, Jinx.
Not only is he annoying, NASA decides it's a great idea to have an extremely literal, yet highly authorized robot just running around Kennedy Space Center. Am I the only one who has seen that movie? Guys? Guys?!?!?
Fucking Alfrid or whatever his name was in The Hobbit trilogy. Discount Greema and terrible character meant to be a funny bit but just became extremely annoying.
Nah he was annoying and pointless and really fucked with the over all tone of the movies. Not only was he a bad character but he was impossible to ignore. A huge blemish on an already mediocre product
Does Jack Sparrow count? I remember watching the Black Pearl and being so surprised to be so entertained, and then watching Dead Man's Chest and being astonished that a beloved character could become so irritating so quickly. It's like the people in charge of these movies had no comprehension of what made that character so much fun. He just got worse as the series progressed. And yeah, I did watch them all, because I hate myself.
How has this not come up already. HOWARD THE DUCK! Drove me nuts and just when I thought it was dead Guardians of the galaxy had to breath some life into it.
bezrend ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:38:54 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Taurano ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:41:44 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Depending on how you encounter them, Drow from D&D can either be interesting in a dark way or a god damn group of poison using emos with a society that wouldn't be able to exist because of the daily in-the-streets backstabbing.
Galvatron because he killed Optimus Prime (and Megatron.)
Megatron because he killed Optimus Prime, and don't give me that bullshit, Galvatron is just Megatron in new toy clothing.
Westley Crusher used to be, then everyone decided to get a huge boner for Will Wheton.
l33r ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:49:03 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
For Sesame Street Nerds: Elmo
There are some Sesame Street Purist who despise Elmo for several reasons: character has high commercial success, character draws attention from other Sesame Street characters, Elmo's voice, and etc.
well, im a nerd, but my most hated character actually comes from a not so nerdy show; Breaking Bad. i fucking hate his wife so much i wont fucking say her name.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:48:23 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Foggy from Daredevil
TeddyV ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:48:57 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
FUCK YOU YUFFIE!!! Materia stealing bitch!!! I hope your country goes down in flames, Most useless character EVER.
ahremaki ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:49:41 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Jesus Christ
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:49:57 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I like Jar Jar, so there
leadabae ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:50:13 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Other M Samus. This woman isn't just a mechanical robot that kills aliens? She has...feelings?! The humanity!!!
What about cersei Lannister? I've seen Ramsey and Joffrey, and don't get me wrong I hate both those sons of bitches but cersei is just....a fucking twat.
1- She knows the guy and it's assumed her husband is dead. Better to get with him than some other dude.
2- She's doing it to also protect her son. A guy who cares for her and Carl is not gonna be easy to find.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:50:25 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Joffrey Baratheon. That little bitch was the worst.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:43:28 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Kimmy from Rugrats. Dill kinda made things different for me but nothing compared to Kimmy, especially the whole Rugrats in Paris movie. She just always annoyed me. Kinda like "fuck, scrappy doo is in this episode." Same deal...
HeroCC ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:56:41 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Umbridge
dossier ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:58:56 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Peggy Hill. Dunno if it's nerd culture, but it is from a cartoon soo yeah. Hate Peggy episodes, I have learned to hate them less, but I'm still not as interested as the guy-centric episodes.
This is the fourth time I've seen him on this thread. Is it worth continuing to watch Aldnoah Zero to find out why considering I got bored on Ep 8 or so?
Tauriel from The Hobbit. An awful attempt at creating a love triangle. Simply cringe-worthy. Please, Peter Jackson, don't add characters that don't need to be/shouldn't be there!!
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:42:45 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
jello321 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:45:58 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Has no one said Dolores Umbridge?!?! Hate that lady more than Voldemort
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:54:00 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I agree I hated her more than Voldemort but that was because she was a fantastic character. JK did an excellent job in creating a character that made the reader so angry and hate filled.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:46:10 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The green rabbit from catdog
mjhszig ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:46:50 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Flo
Authiel ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:47:28 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Tauriel and Alfrid from The Hobbit.
len1nnn ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:47:49 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Wesley from star trek tng
Helium_3 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:48:06 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
General Deathshead. There's no way you can not hate him.
wiktor20 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:05:38 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
George Lucas with his edits and cgi.
dondox ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:07:23 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Due to the plural in the OP's question, most of you answered this incorrectly. I would say every single one but I'm too fucking lazy to look at the entire thread.
tjboom ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:10:01 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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In the new hobbit films, I cannot stand Thorin Oakenshield. He is the biggest asshole in all of the movies. The other dwarves are happy-go-lucky or even tolerable, but this motherfucker takes the cake.
Even though I love the guy, Thrall from Warcraft/WoW got a lot of hate in Cataclysm and it just kinda followed him through Pandaria and Warlords.
batsam ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:19:50 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Most characters from The Big Bang Theory. Contrary to what a lot of people thought when the show first came out, it's not laughing with us... it's laughing at us.
IHNE ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:34:13 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
A horrible, character ruining ending!
sargex10 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:36:26 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Megan....
Aocast ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:58:34 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
How is Tammy not in the top 10?
_PSP_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:06:27 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He might not be as hated nowadays, but Raiden from Metal Gear Solid 2 was despised for a long time by fans.
You know the rivals from the blue/red and silver/gold days of Pokemon never fail to annoy me either. They purposefully made them as douchey as possible -.-
Pretty sure Jessie and James had some freakish love thing going on. They were just too kinky for children's TV and the original mangas were kinda sexual.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:25:33 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm surprised that I don't see Joffrey from Game of Thrones, so here I am. But I kinda understand why not everyone found him despicable, because everyone around him babied him so much. but still, he's so hateful, I was overjoyed when he died.
Alex1296 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:01:44 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I figure it can't have been too terribly disruptive/unpopular, or they'd have stopped a lot sooner.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:10:14 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Good point. Comics readers are pretty reasonable, I should leave them out
Rephaite ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:27:46 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hopefully, that kind of reaction in moviegoers will become less common as racial and gender acceptance increases.
The only times movie changes like that bother me is if they seem super shoehorned, or occur without appropriate contextual changes, and the only reason those bother me is that they often detract from a story I already like.
For instance, it would be a little bit weird if Batman were black, with the traditional time-and-place setting, or even a modern day setting, and yet there were somehow no explanation whatsoever for how his Black American parents managed to become popular, influential billionaires during the height of Jim Crow.
And yet for Superman it might matter hardly at all, if set in the modern day: his backstory is that he's a motherfucking alien. It's about as reasonable that he somehow looks exactly like a black guy as it would be for him to look like a white one.
you're going to have to say his name three times to summon him...
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:34:36 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I have no problem with Jar-Jar. Or Anakin. Episode 1 is probably my favourite Star Wars movie because I was 8 when it came out so it's the first one I had the chance of seeing in the cinema.
And I just think the movie is so rich. Far flung planets, cool looking ships, podracing, the Jedi, the Naboo starfighter, etc, etc. I seriously loved that movie and I still do.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:59:12 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The cast of the Big Bang Theory are hated by most nerds.
OMG I hated him when I was a kid watching that show... I'd yell at the TV loud enough that my folks would get mad.
snalli ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:17:26 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I call him "The Bioware Boyfriend": Carth, Atton, Alistair, Kaidan... and so on. Not exclusive to Bioware of course, but found in most Bioware games, and other similar rpgs. I hate that guy.
chandom ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:24:33 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
dillany ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:13:49 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Dr. Heinz Doofenshmirtz
Rhynasty ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:26:42 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Felicity Smoak. Cries every five seconds.
DanneMM ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:59:59 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Bet you love Damien Dark right about now then?
Rhynasty ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:48:52 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I really do; he's a delightful kind of asshole!
DanneMM ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:38:11 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And yet he feels way too weak for being so strong. I know its a series where ppl can come back from the dead after being really dead for a long time but still. Being able to raid a political party in a decent sized industrial and technological city AND NOBODY BUT ARROW DOES ANYTHING.
Rhynasty ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:55:45 on January 7, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yea, the show definitely has its flaws. I think it boils down to budget and writers they can afford with that budget.
dregan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:31:03 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Joffrey Baratheon
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:36:09 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Janet from accounting because she doesn't give a fuck.
nel_wo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:39:19 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Dolores Umbridge. That pink hatted, chubby, cat lady. I hate her soooo much.
Draco Malfoy comes in second "Wait till my father hears about this." Shut up you whiney coward! Without your father's connection you are a worthless double crossing ferret!
Children always ruin Sci-Fi. They exist just to put themselves and others in harm's way. Also the writers don't know what to do with them and the young actors generally shit all over every scene they're in.
Star Trek (Wesley)
Star Wars (Anakin)
The Walking Dead (Carl)
Battlestar Galactica (Boxey)
Temple of Doom (Short Round), not really Sci-Fi
Falling Skies (half the cast)
E.T. (every kid)
Super 8 (every kid)
Jurassic Park (every kid)
The 4400 (every kid)
etc.
BioBear ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:50:42 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I just recently watched all three lord of the ring films recently. I don't know about any one else but Frodo Baggins is a huge bitch. I can't stand that little cunt. Through out all three movies everyone else steps up and handles their shit when they need to. Even the other hobbits. But not Frodo, all he ever does is whine. "Oohh please help me, I can't do it. Help me." What a fucking twat.
Illier1 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:22:22 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He did step up, he was the first to offer his life for the quest. Plus he was too busy resisting the dark corruption.
He would never have done it alone, that's what makes the Fellowship heroic
He prevents me from being able to enjoy the movies. I always get hell for it, but Bilbo was a much better protagonist in my opinion.
losian ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 17:32:10 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Poor Jar-Jar. I liked him more than the obnoxious comedy relief robots, personally, but I think a lot of people pin all their disappointments with the movie on him alone unfairly.
fastredb ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 17:43:16 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Thanks for reminding me of the obnoxious comedy relief robots.
You are not wrong that many people use him as a conduit for many more far reaching and deeper issues that the prequels had. You ARE wrong for liking him more than anything else... ever.
That he didn't even need the helmet somehow made it worse.
fubo ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 00:18:18 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What the fuck is even up with that guy? He's like, "I can't live up to my heritage. Now, I could just pout about it ... but I'd rather shoot up my school and go join ISIS. And while I'm at it, I need Professor Snape's haircut."
iPreemo ยท -16 points ยท Posted at 16:23:42 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
C-3PO
[deleted] ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 16:33:02 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
People love Threepio
bl1y ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 17:00:06 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't know if I'd say I hated him, but for me he was everything that's typically wrong with comic relief characters - trying too hard, tonally at odds with everything else going on, and the humor was usually childish. If they'd visited Hoff I'm sure there would have been a scene where he'd have gotten his tongue stuck to conveniently placed lamppost.
Then it just felt ridiculous when the silly sack of goof from PH shows back up as part of Naboo's senatorial representation.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:56:25 on January 4, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hey, did you ever check your girlfriends phone? Was she messing around on you??
I like Jar-Jar.... Why does he get so much hate? I thought he was funny. Other than a circle jerk about him, someone should actually answer the question, yes?
It might be because I was about 10 or 11 when the prequels came out, but I have nothing against them at all. I do acknowledge that the originals and TFA are miles above the prequels but i still enjoy them alot whenever I get the chance to watch them. I guess being a kid with no motivation to over analyze things helped.
Terrible character, didn't add much value to the franchise story-wise, dialogue was irritating the overwhelming majority of the time, just to name a few issues. I get he was a very marketable character for children, and that's nice and all, but his character made the movies less enjoyable, in my opinion.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:24:03 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
[deleted] ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 19:56:48 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Why is Jar-Jar so hated? I used to like him...the only thing that's changed is that I don't find him that interesting anymore, but I'm still not hating him.
She's annoying but she's the plot point of most of the episodes... Whereas Jar Jar is just an extra whose absence wouldn't change anything... Until Episode 3 when he basically starts the Empire.
Rephaite ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:22:37 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Unless the Darth Darth Binks fan theory is true, then even that Episode 3 moment could be easily disposed of by having Palpatine or some other senator give the speech. There's no reason it had to be Jar Jar, per se.
Sakura from Naruto. God she is a worthless crybaby in every single situation and puts all her problems on Naruto while ignoring his love and going for the guy who is trying to kill them all.
Illier1 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:24:30 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I never understood the hate. Walt had her emotionally and physically held hostage for half the series, I think we would have all acted that way in her position.
sfdud ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:13:34 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
BB needed a character like her to ground the show. She was awesome
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:16:25 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Q was interesting at the time, especially for people who grew up with TNG. His antics are annoying now, but there are still moments that are profound. John de Lancie is actually a pretty good actor, capable of chilling gravity when called upon.
Ah, another thread with the same purpose but different title. Who is the fictional character you hate the most? This topic comes up every week on reddit. Most people apparently seem to think that their massively popular mainstream interest is part of "nerd culture". Nope. This is just a list of fictional characters that most people don't like.
Really, but... why? Sure he's a bit overeager and is like always just there but he's the most noble and humble character in the whole series..and that scene with his baby and wife ..come on bro! :)
There are plenty of nerds who greatly enjoyed the first one. Even if they werent the majority, you cant call it universal hatred if a lot of people liked it.
Delsana ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 18:37:32 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Jar jar isn't universally hated. I'm not sure why people completely miss that he was a big hit with kids and merchandise sales were through the roof for the prequel stuff..
I'd say a reviled character would be Megatron. No one really likes Megatron.
Really? No one? I figure he's more divisive than universally hated, though. Lots of people are just completely sick of him saving the world (of Warcraft hurr hurr) over and over.
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 22:58:15 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Jar Jar Binks
MrJWalk ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 23:48:10 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Everything that comes out of Japan in the form of entertainment. And. JJ Abrams
Jar Jar was like a creole from south america is what george lucas was on about. Everyones awkward hate towards jar jar make me feel like the only real fan.
Meesa do verbal equivalent of putting on blackface, Massa Jedi...
IHNE ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:32:30 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What does that make Yoda (who was much more tiny and boring)?
[deleted] ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 20:41:36 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Frodo Baggins.
It drives me insane too because he's my all time favorite character.
People never have good reasoning for hating him either,they just say he's useless or whines a lot.
Or that Sam was the 'real hero' as if this story isn't chock full of them.
They never see his sacrifices,he isn't sacrificing more than others but he is still sacrificing a lot. They choose to see him as weak and useless and one time someone had the nerve to call him the villain and Gollum be the hero,I felt like I was in the Twilight Zone when I heard that.
People who hate him don't understand him at all. The thing about Frodo is someone else could have taken the ring but they didn't. Frodo did. He made difficult decision after difficult decision throughout this journey all the while almost dying multiple times. He was also trying not to die while being corrupted by the ring the entire time.
The reason so many side with Sam is because Sam didn't have to deal with the rings powers,he just had to defend Frodo and cook food. Frodo had to keep this all powerful ring safe all the while not starving,not loosing his best friend and getting this damn thing to Mordor secretly. He never wanted Sam to go with him,that's why he meant to leave on his own from Amon Hen. He couldn't bare the thought of his kin being corrupted or killed because of him. He already lost Gandalf in the mines,in the mines he chose to go through..he doesn't want to lose anyone else.
He isn't a perfect character but neither are the others. He is a hero nonetheless and I'll never stop standing up for him.
Edit: down votes only further prove my point so
ulshaski ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:12:18 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I have only heard these arguments from a very few people. I wouldn't consider Frodo universally hated.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:22:37 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You're lucky then. Any time I even mention his name on here I get multiple replies calling him useless and terrible. A lot of my comment history is me trying to explain to people why he is a good character because they are relentless with their terrible reasoning.
There was much more wrong with Phantom Menace than Jar Jar. I figure it's just easier to focus on Jar Jar's goofy ass than pointing out less obvious faults with the flick.
[deleted] ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 19:53:52 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
kylo ren
[deleted] ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 18:02:54 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 3894 points ยท Posted at 18:45:35 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Fucking Nazeem. FUCK THE CLOUD DISTRICT, I'M A THANE.
someguy73 ยท 3610 points ยท Posted at 00:06:21 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
I have a special ritual every time I start up a new game of Skyrim.
I go about as usual, playing however I want. The trigger for this particular event is when I get my first black soul gem. I finish what I'm doing and then I head over to Whiterun and wait in the Cloud District. As soon as I see Nazeem, I soul trap him and then I murder him in broad daylight. I never hide my actions, whether I'm playing a stealthy rogue or a virtuous paladin. I want everyone to see what I did. After paying off/running away from the guards, I take a journey to the Sea of Ghosts up in the north, alone. No fast traveling, for it is a sacred pilgrimage. When I arrive I go out onto the ice and I find a random spot in the ocean that looks deep enough to my satisfaction, and I drop the black gem containing Nazeem's damned soul right into the icy water. I watch it quickly fall into the abyss and then I move on, never returning for it, leaving it to be forgotten forever.
Because fuck Nazeem.
Turtlebelt ยท 1176 points ยท Posted at 01:41:04 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You're doing Akatosh's work my son
MaxStreudler ยท 27 points ยท Posted at 05:12:04 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Sheogorath's*
Turtlebelt ยท 44 points ยท Posted at 05:19:58 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If it was Sheogorath's will he'd probably transform Nazeem into a wheel of cheese.
SpaceSuitLlama ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 07:06:52 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I've killed Nazeem but someguy73 gives me something to aspire to. He makes Molag Bal look like a bitch.
Turtlebelt ยท 29 points ยท Posted at 08:30:50 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
/u/someguy73, daedric prince of fuck Nazeem
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:52:04 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
PRAISE TALOS!
MerkinShampoo ยท 423 points ยท Posted at 03:04:34 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My Nazeem ritual started when I made my first "priest" character (or as my friends call it: the manipulative asshole.) I kill Nazeem and enslave him as my zombie, then bring him to his farm and make him kill his wife (and sometimes his neighbors for good measure) then I usually take him to a giants camp or the like and continually watch him die in combat and resurrect him to fail once again. Fuck that guy.
[deleted] ยท 151 points ยท Posted at 04:50:00 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Aw that's sad. I actually like his wife; she calls him out on his bullshit.
[deleted] ยท 29 points ยท Posted at 08:31:03 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
She made the fatal mistake of marrying him, such is life.
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 08:36:35 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Such is death.
DrBBQ ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 13:45:31 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Valar Morghulis
TistedLogic ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 09:37:20 on March 1, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Valar Doheris
Techgamerguy99 ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 04:21:34 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
How do you do that? What kind of perks and spells do you use?
MerkinShampoo ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 04:53:10 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You can learn the spells in the conjuration tree. Idk what levels, but I know dead thrall is a master level conjuration spell that allows you to enslave a corpse for all eternity. (muhahahahaha) Or at least until they de-spawn.
roflpwntnoob ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 12:00:15 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Thrall is a permanent summon and the body doesnt turn into ash
breedwell23 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 04:30:30 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
console commands son.
Vakieh ยท -63 points ยท Posted at 05:08:27 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The best part of that is the coincidental reuse of the word 'console'.
The Master Race does all the good stuff using the name of the peasants :-)
Kerid25 ยท 28 points ยท Posted at 05:28:12 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Get over yourself.
breedwell23 ยท -18 points ยท Posted at 05:37:40 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Lol, I find it ironic too even though I use both. EDIT: Jesus, I just thought it was a funny coincidence. I never said I agreed with whatever that other guy was saying.
Vakieh ยท -58 points ยท Posted at 05:48:06 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Look everyone I found the bitter console
playerpeasant without a sense of humour!Kerid25 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 12:40:17 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No, I play on PC as well, but you didn't have to bring your master race bullshit out of nowhere.
ZentrixNOR ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:20:29 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Oh god, its fucking shameful to be a PC gamer when there are people like him around
Vakieh ยท -9 points ยท Posted at 12:55:28 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's called a joke, so I was at least half right :-)
Ounceofwhiskey ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:35:09 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Jokes are supposed to be funny
zupernam ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 07:00:36 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Look everyone, I found the troll!
west2021 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:49:07 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You can't revive someone twice they turn to ash
roflpwntnoob ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 12:02:52 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Thrall doesnt turn into ash.
[deleted] ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 04:47:26 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
nice, but no gold
Alcoholic_jesus ยท 48 points ยท Posted at 02:50:03 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Your ritual has just been adopted.
someguy73 ยท 56 points ยท Posted at 03:10:10 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Whatever I can do to increase the murder rate against Nazeem, I'm happy to help.
Alcoholic_jesus ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 03:31:24 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Usually I would just brutally murder him and carry him to a really public place, strip him down naked and put him propped up in a sitting position with an arrow through his face, but this is even better. I feel the deep hatred.
cow_co ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 11:48:47 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I wouldn't even call it murder, really.
TistedLogic ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 09:38:36 on March 1, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Public Service right there.
Dear_Occupant ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:48:13 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I haven't even played Skyrim yet but I want to install it just so I can find out who this Nazeem guy is and kill him.
ASCIt ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 05:42:43 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I was going to find a youtube video so you could see, but it's not the same unless you experience it yourself.
W_W_W_W ยท 85 points ยท Posted at 01:37:37 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well
CallMeMrFlipper ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 05:11:52 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Stop stuttering, spit it out man
SupportstheOP ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:21:33 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
There
[deleted] ยท 22 points ยท Posted at 02:04:03 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Shit that is some real devotion to spite right there.
[deleted] ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 02:35:16 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You should use his soul to enchant some garbage item, and then dump it in the ocean.
BuhlakayRateef ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 02:42:32 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Iron Dagger of Dulled Stabbing
Tyler8245 ยท 36 points ยท Posted at 02:44:34 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Wooden Sword of Never Going to the Cloud District
thomasno02 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 02:50:00 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
But then his soul would go to the soul cairn. That would be too kind for that monster
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 02:53:45 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Huh. I thought that using a soul gem just sort of used up the soul, or at least kept it trapped inside the object.
Huh.
Going to have to remember that the next time I play an evil wizard.
NoHomosapian ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 07:43:31 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Set it on the steps to the cloud district. Put that fucker so close but so so far
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 13:31:48 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Nah, I would normally Soul Trap the Talos worshiper guy and put him in a Thalmor-related item.
On my evil wizard Crassig the Soul-Fucker, I soul-trapped any NPC who got on my nerves. I wound up in prison a lot.
Potatoslayer2 ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 02:10:36 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Great, now I desperately want Skyrim to come to the PS4 so I can play it again and do this.
Skrp ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 02:16:29 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Be more creative. Each dragonborn must find his own ritual.
Cockmaster40000 ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 03:16:19 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Skyrim Legendary edition is $10 on Steam, or $5 if you want the basic edition. Most computers should be able to run it on minimal settings.
Potatoslayer2 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:18:15 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Mmm..ah.. But you see.. Ah.. All I have is a Mac ;_;
Cockmaster40000 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 06:23:38 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I understand, this might help alleviate your pain.
jewsonparade ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 05:23:48 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Lol that you think you know what most computers are.
purefabulousity ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 05:55:23 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It is a five year old game. Most computers should be able to run a five year old game in minimal settings, unless they are extremely cheap/beaters/or more than five years old. Not every computer will be able to run skyrim, but most (especially if the guy was talking about desktops) should be able to, even if at reduced settings.
Cockmaster40000 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:03:47 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Any laptops in the past few years above 400-500 should run it. If not there are mods on the Skryim Nexus that make older machines more than capable of running it
purefabulousity ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:03:23 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Precisely.
jewsonparade ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:18:00 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Most people don't get a new computer every year. Many people have the same one for 4 or 5 years.
VurHorsten ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:53:24 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Water you even saying mang
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:51:17 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You can do something similar to Marcy in Fallout 4 instead.
Hugo154 ยท -7 points ยท Posted at 03:17:03 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Xbone master race
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 04:36:30 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This is hilarious,but unfortunately souls don't stay in the soul gem, just the energy associated with them. The actual persona in the soul is trapped in the Soul Cairn.
someguy73 ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 06:33:57 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
True, but they do remember how they got there. That and he will be in eternal mental anguish while slowly losing his mind.
I chose my punishment carefully.
[deleted] ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 06:42:20 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I wish the game would place NPCs you soul trap into the Soul Cairn for you to visit later.
Fontaine42 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 02:31:44 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That was beautiful
Aden_Sickle ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:35:10 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The only way that could be better is if you use telekinesis to hurl it really far away.
the_old_sock ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:17:36 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You can throw objects past the border than you can travel to (without
tcl)eulerszombie ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:57:53 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
For it is a sacred pilgrimage. Amen.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 09:40:30 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I can't stop thinking about how this is exactly how early cuyler would react
eulerszombie ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 09:45:36 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Dear lord, before we embarkify on our sacred quest, we drank from this chalice of blessed all-weather coolant.
JagerNinja ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 06:32:09 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I like to use him to enchant some boots that I reverse-pickpocket onto his wife and get her to put them on. Very satisfying seeing her walk all over him.
Pickled_Squid ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:57:28 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Of all the posts that have been guilded, this one deserved it the most.
BIGJFRIEDLI ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:52:36 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This. This is why I love RPGs, because of people like you.
AudaciousTitans ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:33:18 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Blessings of stendarr friend
ramblingnonsense ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:46:46 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I just fart on him repeatedly.
RongoMatane ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 08:26:21 on January 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This sounds like the start of a quest for someone else.
Bad-luck-throw-away ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:41:43 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
please consider doing a Youtube clip the next time^
Shorvok ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:50:09 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I did something similar except I put his soul in a sword and murdered his wife with it then left the sword on top of her decapitated corpse.
Chairdolf-Sitler ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:30:07 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I just usually beat him to death in front of his wife. Dental appointment batch.
Chairdolf-Sitler ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:31:08 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Fucking autocorrect.
Superfly503 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:08:52 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Golum found it.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:42:35 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I do the same, but with that STUPID TALOS PRIEST GUY IN WHITERUN
I hate that guy.
Cloudraa ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:58:33 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What about that stupid girl who talks about her fruits and vegetables I swear to god I want to murder her over and over
DJ_YoLoMCswagMoneY ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:14:56 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Can someone give me a tl;dr of Nazeem? Haven't played Skyrim in 2 years or something
0snape0 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:30:21 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Isnt Nazeem the flute guy from facebook?
Screen_Watcher ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:39:09 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Holy Talos that's genius!
Marco_de_Pollo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:01:32 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I never kill him. I have the mod that allows you to kill children. I sneak into his house in the middle of the night. I cast a frenzy spell on him and watch as he murders his family. Then let him live with the fact that he killed the people he loved and was supposed to protect.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:41:56 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Someone give this man gold
hobo_clown ยท 1486 points ยท Posted at 21:13:55 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I always liked picturing him as trying to ask you out, but he has such low confidence he immediately shoots himself down.
"Hey do you go to the Cloud District much? Oh who am I kidding, of course you don't!" runs away crying
Fractal_Death ยท 987 points ยท Posted at 22:13:12 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Stupid Nazeem! Stupidstupidstupid! Of course the Dragonborne wouldn't want hang out with me in the Cloud District. God how could I be so stupid!
XSymmetryX ยท 123 points ยท Posted at 00:11:08 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I feel bad for him now
Deathbyceiling ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 06:31:43 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't.
Pompey_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:24:34 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The senate didn't feel bad for me, basically the same thing.
[deleted] ยท 82 points ยท Posted at 23:17:22 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
dragonborn-senpai will never know my love for him
ZukoBaratheon ยท 39 points ยท Posted at 23:41:39 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Baka-Nazeem!!
nadajoe ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:51:17 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Is senpai anything like yaoi?
RedSkyCrashing ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:54:56 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's the Japanese man. They choose who is gay.
ANUSTART942 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 05:44:47 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Don't you dare make me feel bad for him.
iexs ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 04:34:53 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
:(
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 09:23:18 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
M'dragonborn
Jerlko ยท 410 points ยท Posted at 22:08:37 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"Hey, do you go to the Cloud District much?"
Ok man, here's your chance. Invite her to yours.
"Oh who am I kidding, of course you don't!"
You fucking blew it again, Nazeem.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:48:44 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Fuck, you're making me feel bad for him
ZentrixNOR ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:22:25 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
From now on this is canon in my head, i dont even care thah he has a wife
FrankGoreStoleMyBike ยท 42 points ยท Posted at 23:50:37 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Somebody on /r/skyrim wrote a back story for him that was pretty brutal. Essentially, he'd been hexed to always be a huge dick. He'd try and say, "Good morning," and instead he'd say something smarmy.
emicattt ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:25:00 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Do you have the link, or remember roughly how long ago it was? I tried searching but couldn't find it.
FrankGoreStoleMyBike ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 02:38:31 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't. It's been quite a lot while since I saw it. Easily a year, maybe two. Worse yet, I think it was just a comment in one of the many "kill Nazeem" threads that were/are so popular there.
masteryee1 ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 23:18:16 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That was basically Braith to that little bitch kid
OnionOnYourBelt ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 23:42:52 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Poor Lars.
CupcakeValkyrie ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:28:21 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Meh, Braith has a crush on Lars. Give them a few more years and they'll be sneaking off to fuck under a bale of hay.
Drudicta ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 00:04:01 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Lol, that would make me hate him so much less, if it weren't for dickish tone.
randomshazbot ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 01:16:26 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
y-y-you too
sameth1 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:43:01 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's not that I like you or anything, dragonborn.
I_HAVE_SEEN_CAT ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 02:01:30 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
cloud to butt extension makes this 1000 times better
bracesthrowaway ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:19:03 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Neggingborn.
Quesadilla_Quarian ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:01:54 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Sadly, he's married, so he's just a prick.
ReadingRainbowSix ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:02:38 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He's married though
StoopidMonkey7 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:24:55 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Cloud to Butt extension make this very different
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:17:01 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
For some reason I have some chrome addon that changes any text that says "cloud" into "butt" and "the cloud" to "my butt". You can guess the result.
ubspirit ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:33:40 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well considering there really isn't a cloud district, he probably felt a bit silly
noahsonreddit ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 01:46:05 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You mean you "always" liked doing it since you stole that idea from someone else?
[deleted] ยท 624 points ยท Posted at 21:07:16 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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lesser_panjandrum ยท 247 points ยท Posted at 23:10:49 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Preston and his endless babysitting quests are an embuggerance, but Marcy Long is the real successor to Nazeem.
[deleted] ยท 140 points ยท Posted at 23:20:05 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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Mogetfog ยท 259 points ยท Posted at 23:31:39 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The real annoyance is mama Murphy. oh the sight takes a lot outta me
shut up, get out of your chair, and contribute to the community you lazy bum! I got so annoyed with her that I built a small metal box around her, filled it with strobe lights, and put a single cat painting in front of her, then sealed it off. Have fun on your next trip you junkie bitch.
maybe_awake ยท 40 points ยท Posted at 03:28:08 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The whole lot of them are the most useless fucking settlers I've ever encountered. Here's a rundown:
Marcy: Give her some nice clothes and ask her to maybe check the plants and you get "Hey fuck you." Wow. Okay then. Bitch.
Jun: Local sad sack. Abilities include: moping, crying, whining, looking sad. Current employment: bartender.
Mama Murphy: She's a fucking junkie and annoying as shit, what else can I say?
Sturges: Wow man, good job hammering away at the middle of that wall panel for the past three months. Do you have it just right yet?
Preston: "Oh hey, I know you just cleaned the ghouls up around Ten Pines Bluff so I hate to ask you this but can you please clean the ghouls up around Ten Pines Bluff?" FUCKIN HELL MAN
Dogmeat: <3
SupportstheOP ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 07:24:27 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Bethesda made sure to give us our own personal hell by dealing with them, because they're all just awful to be around.
Seamy18 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 13:05:40 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
How's the hunt going for eddies tapes?
maybe_awake ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 14:15:03 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
GODAMMIT NICK I'M LOOKING AS FAST AS I CAN!
Seamy18 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:17:53 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Nick Valentine disliked that
maybe_awake ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:20:49 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think my current playthrough is broken. I can't seem to get my companions to like when I make weapon modifications. Codsworth and Preston are both supposed to respond but neither has so far.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:26:17 on January 25, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Are they near you when you do it? It only happens once every so often, so if you keep making mods it only increases their disposition once.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 11:59:33 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Sturges plays an important role in the plot if you choose to use the Minute Men. I think he's the only non annoying one among them.
maybe_awake ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 14:16:26 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He's def not annoying. Just useless with a hammer. However not as bad as a the vault resident I found at Vault 81. He was tightening a concrete wall with a wrench. I thought I was bad at tools. Wall a bit too loose mr. resident? Yesss that should fix it. (read in the voice of John Cleese).
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 11:43:41 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Everybody sucks, Dogmeat is my adorable pupperschnup baby that I will never let get hurt and if you fucking shoot my Dogmeat I will blow you head off with this Tactical Combat Shotgun you raider piece of shit. /overprotective Dogmeat owner rant
maybe_awake ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:17:45 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I leave him at sanctuary. I love him but he drove me nuts. First of all, there's no map indicator for him, so I see "Dogmeat found something" and I think, well great, now I have to find Dogmeat. And he always screwed up my strategies.
Zankoran ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 09:41:00 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The idea here is that the first settlers you meet Are supposed to represent the types of people that play this game. Bethesdas calling you out on your shit community lol
maybe_awake ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:19:50 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Whoa. Blowing my mind man. Everyone is a different type of gamer. Except Sturges. He's Bethesda. Because he works all day, every day, looking like he's fixing things but nothing ever changes! (jk, Bethesda. I love the game. You guys are great.)
colin23567 ยท 36 points ยท Posted at 23:43:33 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If you really hate her keep giving her drugs and she dids when she asks for psycho
[deleted] ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 03:00:15 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You're tied to this place, kid.
Jigsus ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 12:40:52 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah because that is my fucking house
duckmurderer ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 05:44:02 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I always assign Mama Murphy to artillery.
MissInkFTW ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 05:24:38 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Really looking forward to that chair...
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 23:40:32 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
get her off drugs and you'll never hear her talk again
GangsterJawa ยท 30 points ยท Posted at 01:55:10 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I WISH that were true. I swear she's even worse now that her only line is "Mama Murphy's as good as her word, kid. No more chems for me."
Every fucking time I walk within 10 feet of her.
_Artos_ ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 03:21:15 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"And no more sight neither"
Tchrspest ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:29:27 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Jesus fuck.
Kilmir ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 11:26:24 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
When I got the quest to build her a chair, I built it in a far away corner of Sanctuary. I never ever see or hear her again. She's just sitting there in a stripped, abandoned house.
Mogetfog ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:41:14 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
i made the mistake of just randomly placing it assuming i could move it later. so it went in the middle of the floor in my big community barracks. well guess what, now the rotten bitch never gets up and i cant move it, which means she is in the way of everything. hence the torture box.
Prototype_es ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:19:30 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
i convinced her she didnt need chems
MrAuntJemima ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:13:05 on January 4, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Schrodinger's cat painting.
Or is Mama Murphy the cat? Mama Meowphy. Meowpha Murphy.
I'll see myself out now.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:24:56 on January 25, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
At least her vision's are useful, allowing you to skip certain combat instances.
ShiggledyDiggledy ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 23:54:40 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I moved the weapon bench to my garage and boarded it up so I could mod weapons in peace and Classical Music.
Recyclex ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:50:31 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Lockable door mod incoming. I hope.
Sippin_that_Haterade ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:25:02 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Console command. Just type lock when you have the door selected.
Recyclex ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 05:22:03 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What I meant was doors that can only be opened by people who has a certain key, it'd be too much trouble to do console command every time.
Turtlebelt ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 01:39:01 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Agreed. TBH I never was annoyed at all by preston himself. The problem is the repetition of the minutemen quests. Marcy is a cunt though. She constantly stands next to the weapon bench and hurls insults at me while I am trying to work. By the end I wanted to cave her skull in with a rocketsledge.
Cupybora ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 01:28:48 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I was using the weapons workbench by the power armour station once and Marcy stood behind me complaining constantly for the entire time I was there. I wanted to shoot her stupid fucking face off.
FearLeadsToAnger ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:50:26 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This is the best new word i've come across in many moons.
Sgt_Colon ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:48:39 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's something Terry Pratchett came up with before he died of Alzheimers (what he called his 'embuggerance').
Winstonpentouche ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:29:31 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I make a save right in front of her. Then, I proceed to beat the everloving mess out of her. I can't stand the accent and the snarkiness. BITCH I SAVED YOU AND GAVE YOU A PLACE TO LIVE, QUIT YOUR SHIT.
PhoenixMP ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 11:39:03 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I play on Survival and every time I go on a random quicksave killing spree in Sanctuary, Marcy pulls out Kremvh's Tooth from the workshop and chases me everywhere with it. Does like half my hp in poison damage and Marcy for some reason always immediately regains all her hp after reaching zero, so I have to permanently be running around or stack cooked food to outheal the poison.
I know I can take the weapon out of the workshop so she doesn't use it, but it's satisfying to smack her down with blitz every 10 sec anyway.
lesser_panjandrum ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:01:32 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
She and the rest of Preston's merry band are essential NPCs, so they can't be killed without console commands.
Just open the console and type "setessential [baseID] 0" for each of them.
00019fdc for Marcy
00019fdb for her husband
00019fd8 for the mystical crackhead
00019fda for Mr Duct-tape-bullet-holes
00019fd9 for Captain Sidequest himself
Enjoy your rampage.
PhoenixMP ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:54:11 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, I've done that once before for the sake of it. Most of the time in FO4, I just go on a killing spree when I'm bored or if there's a bunch of clustered NPCs.
Pancakewagon26 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:12:11 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You know, you can't kill her, but you can shoot her with no penalties. Every time she says something cunty I pull of my trusty revolver in put two in her kneecaps. It doesn't do anything in the long run, but it sure makes me feel better.
benners5 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:02:37 on January 4, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I would give her clothes based on how badly she complained. First step was long johns, then sack hood. After that it was worse and worse jobs, she now handles the majority of my farming, with no help.
WienerJungle ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:40:17 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'll stop complaining when there's nothing left to complain about.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:22:56 on January 25, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Keep your mouth shut about this place!
RegalGoat ยท 45 points ยท Posted at 21:55:00 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"Take care of your gun, and it'll take care of you."
But whilst Preston maybe annoying, he doesn't even come close to being anywhere near as annoying as Nazeem.
JudgementWaterfall ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 22:06:08 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
At least Preston can make himself useful by shooting something...
chaosmosis ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:36:50 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Thanks, babe.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 23:21:20 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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RegalGoat ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 23:38:36 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And? Preston is nowhere near as in-your-face as Nazeem is. Preston will talk to you if you talk to him. Nazeem... he'll walk up to you from halfway across Whiterun just to say how much of a stuckup prick he is, being far louder than any NPC other than Heimskr in doing so. Nazeem is far worse than Preston.
cheesellama_thedevil ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:49:06 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
While I do agree with you that Nazeem is much more annoying than Preston, I've had the opposite experience with nazeem. He doesn't walk right up to me, if I walk close to him, he'll talk to me.
QQMau5trap ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:46:27 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What pissws me off the most is heimskr still ralking shit about the imperials while I compelted the civil war quests.
svrdm ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:26:39 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Looks like someone forgot to tell him item durability isn't in FO4 (outside of Power Armor, that is).
RhinoTattoo ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 01:11:09 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I had no idea Preston was such a hated character.
I actually really like Preston...
ABCDOMG ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 23:47:18 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My friend I have quite the bounty for you if you are on PC.
http://www.nexusmods.com/fallout4/mods/3456/?
completely disables it, it is wonderful.
ghostspectrum ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 23:01:00 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm amazed that you actually linked to his location lol
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:17:12 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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ghostspectrum ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:43:26 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I made the mistake of sending them to sanctuary again lol. Should have left them there to keep sanctuary for myself
ShinyMissingno ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:47:41 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"I have a mission for you. Something a little different this time."
Surprise, it's killing ghouls at a settlement.
SHINX_FUCKER ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:33:29 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Preston's so annoying. But not as annoying as these raiders attacking a nearby settlement, here I marked it on your map
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:01:56 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't really get the hate for Preston, but that's probably because I'm never anywhere near him.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:07:24 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
...as usual, I've got something else that needs your attention.
8eat-mesa ยท -8 points ยท Posted at 22:52:06 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Wait... is Bethesda racist? It all makes sense now.
Icemahn98 ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 21:34:21 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You know how you get a free pass on a crime once as thane? It's been a while since I played Skyrim, but I think most of the time I used it on killing him. Him or the priest that's equally annoying with his ranting.
Mollywobbles225 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 03:16:01 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Whiterun became so peaceful when I finally got my stealth and archery up high enough to kill him in one shot completely undetected by guards. I even ran out and collected his body and dropped it in a stream, the guards didn't care because I wasn't the one who had murdered him apparently.
Like, bro, I agree with your message, but you're going about it all wrong.
[deleted] ยท 31 points ยท Posted at 21:15:00 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I like to pretend he meant it positively. Like "Oh man, why would you even waste time going to the cloud district? You're a Thane!"
Themrchester ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 02:42:51 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I thought a thane has to consult with the Jarl and stuff.
thereddaikon ยท 35 points ยท Posted at 20:52:19 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Unfortunately I'm the king of skyrim.
Cannibal_MoshpitV2 ยท 52 points ยท Posted at 21:11:32 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
*High King of Skyrim
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 01:18:43 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I would buy the PC version just for that mod.
Speakerofftruth ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 22:26:43 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Funniest part, Nazeem's schedule never brings him to the cloud district.
[deleted] ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 00:30:03 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
There's no pusssssyyyyyyyyy there though
facedesker ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:24:06 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I caught him trying to sell crack to me, and then he played stupid!
scorgie ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 22:33:04 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"I murder dragons then eat their souls, fuck your snobbery"
PMmeabouturday ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 00:50:18 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"Get to the cloud district often?"
Well I mean, it's like ten feet away from where we're standing
Ranucolo ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 21:56:37 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I kill him every time I take on werewolf form for the first time.
merrickx ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:22:28 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Every time you do it for the first time?
lesser_panjandrum ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 23:11:27 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
60% of the time, yes.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:33:39 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Shit tell me you have more than one play through
Oppodeldoc ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 22:20:23 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"What can I do for you my thane?" "You can fuck right off and eat draugr dick, Lydia, you creep. I don't even trust that you haven't molested me in my sleep."
SmugSmuggerThrowaway ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 22:37:50 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm here to carry your burdens.
oohSomethingShiny ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 23:11:06 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Share the load?
ProfBatman ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 02:12:52 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Every time I try to go to bed with my wife, she's there. Sitting at the table by the door, eating bread, watching. Just watching.
Polish_Potato ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 00:31:22 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I use JeanusForBeares fighting words mod, and just beat the ever living shit out of him.
That usually shuts him up.
If not, I just beat him up again.
Guards don't give it a shit, because it becomes a legal brawl with the mod. In fact sometimes they join in and beat the shit of him with me.
SignMyRainbows ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:38:01 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I found Heimskr the more annoying one, honestly. I always used my thanehood as an excuse to shoot him in the face with an arrow.
boba-fett-life ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:50:00 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So fucking satisfying to assassinate him. 10/10 was worth the jail time.
superx76 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:58:28 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I forgot that I had Cloud to Butt installed, thanks for the laugh
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:34:34 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
God, I hate Nazeem! I might even hate him more than Jar Jar!
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:25:58 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Who's Nazeem again? I forget.
anathebassist ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:37:25 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This! If someone could bottle my hate for him they would fill up 2 full bottles to the brim.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:44:10 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Even though I prefer Nord and Imperial, I make an exception for Nazeem and make a point of feeding on him as often as my adventuring allows me to.
New2Writin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:07:25 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Nazeem, I need more light!
travio ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:28:21 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If I ever turn Vampire, he is my go to feed.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:28:43 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I was about to say fuck you, I love the brother of the Brotherhood but then I realized he was someone else.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:50:50 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Nazir is a bro, I wouldn't kill him.
anumati ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:53:43 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Anyone ever talk to Nazeem's wife?
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:54:43 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
She doesn't even like him.
Bunchasomething ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:22:23 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"Have you been to the cloud district recently? Oh of course you haven't. I'll have you know there's no PUSSYYYYYYYYYYYY"
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:29:32 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"Another adventurer here to lick my father's boots"
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:44:43 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
We forgive him because of the ebony blade.
Themrchester ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:40:46 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I love casting fury on him and watch him yolo the guards.
Outpsyde ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:01:49 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
while we're here, a fuck you to J'Zargo
funnybuttrape ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:54:55 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ravage The area, there's no puuussseEeeee etc.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:47:49 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
To be fair, Nazeem was written to be hateable. Jar Jar was the biggest backfire in all of fictiondom.
StoopidMonkey7 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:25:21 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The Cloud to Butt Extension on Google Chrome makes this much, much better.
icantbenormal ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:34:23 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Skyrim really took annoying repetitive NPC dialogue to a new level. Back in the day, you had to go up to NPCs to hear them speak. In Skyrim, every guard has something stupid to say.
handsomewolves ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:57:31 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Who?
pulezan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:15:38 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ok, i'll ask. What's up with Nazeem? I played Skyrim only for a bit since i'm not a big fan of the genre but I'm familiar with some of the things in the game.
Brute108 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:51:33 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's been a long time since I last played Skyrim, could someone give me the quick-like-cat version of why he is hated?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:59:41 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He walks around insulting everyone and calling them poor with the smug-est voice in the world.
_dudz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:54:58 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Fucking Nazeem
DrippyWaffler ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:58:55 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I forgot I had the chrome plugin the changed the word C L O U D to Butt. I was so sad because i thought I was missing out on an inside joke :)
josht54 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:34:24 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Effeminate Nazeem mod
Tebeku ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:00:03 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The wick-kedly talanted Adele Nazeem?
[deleted] ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 22:08:10 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I have like a hundred hours in skyrim. Who is this Nazeema and what are these memes?
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:11:12 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You have reached troll level 99! Care to make it legendary and reset all skill points?
cheesellama_thedevil ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:51:34 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Oh please, it's possible. I didn't meet Nazeem until my third playthrough. He's hard to miss if you go through the market in Whiterun, but I usually took a left up the stairs upon entering Whiterun at first.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:45:02 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I was trying to be funny...
JDst4r ยท 1255 points ยท Posted at 19:37:22 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Eric Sparrow from Tony Hawk's Underground. Fuck that guy.
Chance4e ยท 338 points ยท Posted at 01:29:41 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He fucking stole the Hawaii shot!
[deleted] ยท 64 points ยท Posted at 03:14:19 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"You poached my footage!"
Killionaire370z ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 06:32:07 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That cutscene where your character bitch slaps Eric unconscious and walks away with the tape while Stacey Peralta watches with surprise.
whatsgoodness ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 07:33:42 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
real talk it took me 2 hours to get that trick down. I couldn't believe it when he stole credit.
samwisery ยท 119 points ยท Posted at 23:52:51 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Oh, god, so much. I was pretty young when I played that game and I didn't see it coming at all.
Brutal.
SaintHyde ยท 98 points ยท Posted at 22:50:26 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Eric is extra despicable because he was a dead ringer that shitty uppity skater guy we all knew in high school.
Avenging all the shit he put your character from THUG through in THUG2 was so satisfying.
jker210 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 08:22:32 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Wait really? I don't remember avenging going on. All I remember is you switch teams with him for one level.
lgbad22 ยท 41 points ยท Posted at 01:48:46 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Fuck that cock sucker. At least we get the tape footage at the end.
msuts ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 02:09:13 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You back stabbin mob flippin COCKROACH
fallbackwards ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 01:53:46 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I love the secret ending so much.
MyNamesE ยท 26 points ยท Posted at 05:09:33 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Wow I just found out this exists and it's so much more gratifying
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 06:39:16 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I have a massive justice boner right now
[deleted] ยท 22 points ยท Posted at 02:39:51 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
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justaquicki ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:02:54 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Wait, that's not the normal ending?
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 07:14:06 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
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justaquicki ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:15:52 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Man, I should play through again
[deleted] ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 03:58:51 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Is it weird that I role played the Underground games? Like I came up with a whole bio for my skater, which indeed lead me to hate Sparrow soooooooo much.
bagboyrebel ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 03:09:54 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You just brought back some very intense emotions.
ColeLogic ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 04:00:57 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Never could beat that guy at the end.... fuck him.
Questhook ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 05:49:22 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
mother fucker stole my McTwist.
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 04:59:45 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I was just telling my 10 year old brother about this guy the other day. Fuck him.
AngusHungphd ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 05:59:39 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
For real! fuck that guy. I never saw that twist coming, and then he ends up getting you stuck in Russia... BASTARD!
LinkDude80 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 07:17:32 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"When he stole the guard's keys I knew he was gonna do something stupid."
YOU MOTHERFUCKER
Spartan1278 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 05:08:02 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yes! Holy crap. I was just thinking about my hatred for him yesterday.
Boulderman03 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 05:49:37 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I didn't think anyone else shared my hatred for this weasel!
chromebookbob ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 09:59:08 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I cried at the end of thug, too emotional
Gross_Guy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:25:28 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I fucking hated that little shit
Johncurtainraiser ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:11:40 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, fuck him in his stupid face
Chucktayz ยท 2787 points ยท Posted at 18:10:22 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The preachy God woman in "the mist"
Dougdahead ยท 688 points ยท Posted at 19:59:28 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I liked her for the fact I hated her. The actress did a great job making me hate that character so much. Besides her the ending was the best part. I really like to hate certain characters and she is fairly high on my list.
Shawnessy ยท 271 points ยท Posted at 20:10:49 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Man. The Mist is one of my favorite movies. I watched it kinda young and it fucked me up. I was 12 when it came out and all I could muster at the end was, "He could have waited five more minutes."
Saw it again last year and it was just as good a movie.
whatdoiexpect ยท 118 points ยท Posted at 00:42:15 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The real screwy part was that she may have been entirely right.
Sam Witwer's character died. They had a safe night.
The boy died. Everything cleared up.
The question becomes this: Was that a coincidence? Would 5 minutes actually have changed anything?
vaguemeg ยท 31 points ยท Posted at 02:29:09 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I had never considered that, but now it seems so obvious. Thank you for blowing my mind, stranger.
101Alexander ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 05:27:05 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
See, this is why people believed her in the movie
alwaysrelephant ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:50:24 on January 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
KILL THE COMMENTER. EXPIATION!
compbioguy ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 06:33:05 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Wasn't that the whole cynical point of the myst? The preachy god woman, whatever her name was, was right all along. I think this makes it perhaps the most cynical movie ever made
Sage2050 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 06:30:03 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
She was a servant to the dark Lord, possibly unbeknownst to herself. She may have been "right" but God was certainly not with her.
LamaofTrauma ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 11:25:29 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't know, this isn't exactly uncharacteristic of the Abrahamic God.
Sage2050 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 15:02:39 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't remember giant insect tentacle monsters in the Bible, just saying.
eiddieeid ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:08:06 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
1 john 3:3
LamaofTrauma ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:03:17 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I dunno man, pretty sure someone can interpret the thing outta some passage. The Abrahamic God isn't cute and fluffy. The Abrahamic God is all about vengeance and smiting and cutting off foreskins. Those things would fit right in. Moses probably had that shit in reserve for Egypt if the Pharaoh didn't cave. Woulda been a hell of an eleventh plague.
Coopernius ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:24:49 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
All the times I've watched it and that thought never crossed my mind.
Chucktayz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:00:49 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Damn...never considered that
pheonixfire77 ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 01:22:05 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Awesome movie. Also Frank Darabont's recruitment camp for the Walking Dead ; )
ialo00130 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 04:27:59 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Was he atually there 'scouting' and you're serious or was it just a coincidence?
pheonixfire77 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 08:06:41 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think it might have been a case of when casting walking dead, he choose people he'd previously worked with. If you notice the cast, Carol, Andrea, Dale and a few others I think from smaller roles in TWD, like Morales, were all cast in The Mist first. It may just be the casting agent Frank uses, lol.
Liies ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 10:30:16 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The guy that played Dale (Jeffrey DeMunn) is also in The Shawshank Redemption & The Green Mile. Two more Darabont movies.
pheonixfire77 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:14:41 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Nice catch :)
splicerslicer ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 07:31:27 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I've said this before on reddit but the first time I saw this movie was a few months into my first treatment of antidepressants. The ending was so brutal it was the first thing to make me feel anything in over a year. I started crying, then laughing uncontrollably. I was so happy to be able to feel sad, to be able to feel any intense emotion again. This movie will always be special to me.
Shawnessy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:43:48 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That made me smile. Glad you're doing well. Keep it up. :)
radredrum ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 06:19:37 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The ending shocked even Stephen King.
QuasarsRcool ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 07:10:23 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He said he liked it better than his original ending. I was surprised to learn that the movie ending wasn't his own
parisinla ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:11:06 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Fun fact. Half life was loosely inspired by the events in that book.
reddhead4 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:33:33 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
In the book, if it makes you feel better, it ends with the group in a diner or hotel lobby (been awhile) and nothing is better
Bunburial ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:37:04 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Might want to spoiler tag that last part in quotes!
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:09:32 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Steven King saw it and said something like "That's the ending I would have written if I had more balls."
senopahx ยท -8 points ยท Posted at 04:55:16 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Honestly, that was a terrible ending. I walked out of the theater wishing for my money back.
I liked the novella ending and would have been fine with the bleaker "murder-suicide/loss of hope" ending if they had bothered to build up to it. Instead of suddenly sprung it on us for the cheap shock value. Also, having the military show up 30 seconds later as the mist suddenly dissipates was utterly ridiculous and completely undermined any emotional impact the preceding scene may have had.
I see people continually quote that Stephen King preferred the movie ending but as a fan of his work, that really doesn't carry a lot of weight. He's a good writer (with some fantastic ideas) but his endings often leave something to be desired
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:07:47 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That movie felt like a syfy original. I rented it from a video store, but I would have been ticked off if I saw that mess of a film at theatre prices. I just remember rolling my eyes at the lastscene. It just felt so contrived and so telegraphed. Worse was the fact that the army guys were partly on foot and seemed to come from the direction he came from. How did he not drive through them? And even if they came from the other direction, he didn't hear a convoy of trucks and guys with flamethrowers a few minutes slow walk away?
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[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:31:53 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That would have made more sense, but the way the scend is shot, it really feels like a few minutes at most. Maybe that was just for the purpose of simplicity, but it made the scene jarring. And not having liked the rest of the movie much, I wasn't feeling generous.
senopahx ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:47:15 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That got me thinking as well. The military base was where it started. If they were able to clear it with a couple flamethrowers then it really makes no sense that the event went on for so long. The flamethrowers and the creatures/mist were both in the same location at the start.
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senopahx ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:41:06 on January 4, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The problem is that we're shown them clearing it with ease.
The base was conducting these experiments on purpose so it's not like an armed response wouldn't have been ready. Instead we're shown that they turned the faucet and left it running for days.
Something feels very inconsistent there.
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senopahx ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:43:06 on January 4, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't know... they also would have had containment systems in place in the lab. Reinforced construction, heavy security doors (fire, perhaps blast proof?). This is a top secret military research facility we're talking about. It just still seems incongruous that they weren't able to contain things when people were keeping out the creatures with some glass panels and bags of fertilizer, then later be able to clean up the situation with ease.
As I said in my other post, I actually don't mind the murder-suicide addition to the ending. It would still have kept the bleak tone as in the novella, which is what I felt the story deserves. It's only the military's sudden appearance and miraculous non-sensical victory that I take issue with.
QuasarsRcool ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:12:12 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Damn, I really liked this ending until you made me realize that. Fuck.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:16:03 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Sorry, man
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:33:34 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well, that's just, like, your opinion, man.
Darko33 ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 00:09:01 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Marcia Gay Harden yo. She's legit
indefiniteness ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:10:47 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
An oscar winner as well.
gschizas ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 22:22:11 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
When she got slapped (or whatever), the whole theater was clapping. I don't think I've ever seen such a unified reaction before or since.
TheSinningRobot ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 00:27:32 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The thing was is I didn't hate her, because "she played such a great antagonist" to me it felt like such an illogical situation. It felt so unrealistic, like I didn't feel like any actual person would act that way, let alone if they did people would follow. Don't get me wrong, I love the whole "when humans are scared they are irrational and turn on each other" idea. And there have been some great examples in popular culture of it. The episode of the twilight zone when the power goes out on the street, or the episode of doctor who "midnight", I can totally get behind the idea that humans are very weak and controlled by fear, but that specific character and scenario just felt too over the top. Too forced. It didn't feel like she really had any kind of motivation to be like that. It wasn't any kind of survival or self defense tactics, sue was simply being the bad guy to be the bad guy. Things like that in movies really takes me out of it. When a bad guy is just bad because well they are bad. Wow I didn't realize how much this was going to turn into a rant.
HadrianAntinous ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 02:49:20 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't think she was bad for the sake of being bad. I think she genuinely believed her own BS. She was just a religious zealot sort of person and she had finally been put in a situation where she was able to build a flock.
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 21:53:08 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Umbridge in Harry Potter wasn't even fun to hate.
MadMadHatter ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 05:01:37 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hell yeah, Marcia Gay Harden is an Oscar winner, and deservedly so. She's a great actress and was fantastic at being so horrible in The Mist.
rydrid ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:54:58 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So I saw this movie when it came out with some friends. Naturally we had a few beers beforehand to make it more fun. When she started berating them for the last time, and the quiet guy with the gun was just standing there... I couldn't contain myself anymore. I stood up, raised my fist to the sky and yelled "KILL THAT BITCH!" Then it happened, the pinnacle of justice porn. The audience cheered, the movie continued, and then the ending happened. Such a quiet crowd we were exiting the theater.
whatdoiexpect ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 05:37:24 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If they didn't kill her, he could have killed himself in the car with the rest.
I don't know if that's better.
GKinslayer ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:42:47 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Want to really be amazed, she also played the main love interest in Miller's Crossing
pbradley179 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:53:46 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Beth Grant is a cultural treasure.
tomjenks1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:50:21 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
wasnt she the whiny bitch from walking dead?
Dougdahead ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:23:35 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No. You must be referring to Lori
darth_elevator ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:52:33 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Who are some of the others you love to hate?
Dougdahead ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:22:21 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Walter Jr from Breaking Bad is annoying as hell too. That woman who keeps trying to talk up her new talk show on TBS. Her voice is grating and she is terribly unfunny. Daniel Tosh. I could think of more but I would be typing most of the night.
Sgt_numnumz ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 04:25:22 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
God that ending really upped my standards for movie endings. So dark..
General_Arse ยท 332 points ยท Posted at 19:29:23 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I had to read how that film ended because as soon as she started laying into the soldier I had to turn it off. I just couldn't take it.
Chucktayz ยท 266 points ยท Posted at 19:37:23 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That movie is definitely brutal...especially the end
TheEllimist ยท 347 points ยท Posted at 19:53:10 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm a sucker for unhappy or "the bad guy won" endings, and The Mist is one of the greatest examples of the former.
[deleted] ยท 31 points ยท Posted at 22:49:52 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Dont you think its silly how quickly he decided that killing everyone and himself was the best option? It was kinda funny how out of left field it was. It would have been fitting if he said "Welp. Im stumped. Time for me to murder y'all and then I go lasties."
meshaber ยท 23 points ยท Posted at 23:53:28 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It made sense to me that you'd want to do it when the kid was sleeping. And he'd probably been thinking about what to do if they ran out of gas for a while as they were driving.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 02:49:51 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The problem is that none of that was communicated to the audience. It leaves the impression that they were trying to wrap up the movie and they had to come up with an ending on a deadline.
senopahx ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:08:27 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You're getting downvoted but you're correct. There was a very sudden tonal shift there at the end that didn't fit with the story thus far. It really should have had a bit more buildup, if they were going to go that route, and excluded the military's presence entirely.
Dr_fish ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 00:51:41 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's what I always think when people praise the ending as fantastic. I mean, sure, it was shocking and unexpected, but it was completely out of line with the whole lead up before with the desperate struggle to survive and escape. For them to give up so suddenly is silly, in my opinion it's a bad ending, not because it's an 'unhappy' ending, but because it doesn't fit, it makes the movie average, and I don't think it deserves the praise it gets.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 07:14:50 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, the ending in the film was awful. I would have much preferred they'd stuck with the ending in the novel, which is way more open ended (basically just ends with them driving off and hearing a radio broadcast)
bagboyrebel ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:01:49 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I love the movie, but I agree that the ending was weak. Everyone seems to love it for how dark it is but it just wasn't a good ending. Also, the ending of the book is completely different.
Mollywobbles225 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 03:13:07 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Thanks, I came here to say exactly this. Even King himself praises the ending, and I'm just sitting here like, "No, dude, that ending sucked..."
bagboyrebel ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:18:20 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
To be fair, King doesn't have a good track record with movies. I wouldn't trust his opinion on this.
Mollywobbles225 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:57:23 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He doesn't have a great track record with his own movies. Usually he's right on when he reviews other people's movies, it's just that his written works don't really translate well from the page to the screen (big or small).
senopahx ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 05:11:43 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
His story endings tend to be rather weak in general (and I'm speaking as someone who enjoys his writing).
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:56:01 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Inside the store there were hope for help and some sense of security by being inside a building along with several other people. When driving around they sensed a massive dread because they covered a much larger area (not just near the store) since there was no apparent end to the nightmarish creatures and fog itself. The massive walking creature in a sense symbolized their helplessness and hopelessness.
I think the ending was very fitting context wise even when ignoring the shock value.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:04:55 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Completely agree. I've been trying to articulate my thoughts on this ending and this is it.
GunNNife ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:31:51 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
How about this thought: the Mist cleared up and the righteous people who stayed behind with the crazy God lady all survived. All it took was for the evil people who left the store to sacrifice themselves.
Seriously, watch that ending: the Mist clears up within a minute of the man killing the other car passengers. And who are happily rescued on the military trucks? Why, it's the God-lady's followers!
ctrl-alt-acct ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 03:10:50 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
i don't remember seeing her followers on the truck, just the lady and her kids that made a break for it towards the beginning.
LamaofTrauma ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:29:20 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No? It's pretty obvious they could choose to die quick and painlessly, or screaming in horror while the monsters do their thing. They tried, and (at the time) obviously failed to find safety. This was basically a text book example of a "save the last bullet for yourself" scenario.
Or maybe I'm just cynical.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:10:11 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I understand the scenario and I agree that it could be a believable end to these characters stories but from where I was sitting, I didn't see any hint that they were considering doing that. It was very out of character. So it seemed like a tacked on ending with a lazy sort of twist.
Shorvok ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 03:53:00 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well they could see / hear monsters and the father had seen people die in some seriously horrible ways.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:52:31 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's believable that they would. I just wish it were mentioned or even hinted at that that was being considered as an option. It's the most extreme option imaginable so why would there be 0 conversation about it? Why would that be left out of the story? So it seems like an idea he pulls out of his ass. It's funny to think that murder suiciding would be a decision made on the fly so the excellent momentum and tension the movie built up was lost like a balloon that was filled fully with air and instead of popping it, it was let go and did fart circles around the room. Sympathy for the characters is replaced by confusion. The move jumped out of the swing at maximum altitude but didn't stick the landing.
octopornopus ยท 29 points ยท Posted at 21:06:17 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I laughed out loud in the theater as the soldiers rode by with that woman in tow. Got a lot of shitty looks from other people.
tay-lorde ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 21:11:50 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I didn't watch it in the theater, but I laughed too, and got a lot of shitty looks from my family.
ColdSteelRain ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 22:51:11 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You REALLY need to read the Dark Tower series by King then. Holy shit that ending is both terrible and perfect at the same time.
HellothereMrBilbo ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 23:42:24 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Man I got onto the 5th book and stopped reading. Was great though from what I remember, Roland was it? Badass guy.
I need to finish it!
ColdSteelRain ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 23:47:35 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The 5th book is really good, especially the latter half. Sixth is pretty terrible but get ready for a rollercoaster ride of emotion in the 7th.
HellothereMrBilbo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:53:57 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I liked the backstory about his young love, that was pretty sad in the end. I might pick it back up and finish it now haha.
mecrosis ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:55:29 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I was soo angry at that ending after waiting so long for it. I've not read another King book since. Its been like 8 years
ColdSteelRain ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:02:22 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I loved the ending. You can't honestly expect a story like that to end happily, but there's the promise of redemption. He's in purgatory, but there's a chance he can change his fate now, maybe next time will be different....
mecrosis ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:26:49 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ka ka.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 08:47:03 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I stopped reading the series when I realized I liked every book less than the last. The Gunslinger was my favorite book for a few years. The Drawing of the Three was great. So was the Wasteland. Wizard and Glass was good, but not on the same level as the others. Wolves of the Calla was boring. I own Suzanna's Song, byt I've never read it. Having read a synopsis of it and The Dark Tower, I don't think I ever will.
mecrosis ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 12:56:53 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It felt like as a writer he was all set with the series as he'd moved on to other things. I mean it spanned like 30 years of his career. The last couple of books felt like he was just "here so I don't get fined."
ovjoe ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 23:25:28 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The short story ended a little different. Great read. Check it out.
revengenever ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 23:38:57 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yes! I have to admit, I laughed so hard at the ending because it was the worse thing to have happened to the "hero." I reacted the same way in "The Increasingly Poor Decision of Todd Margaret" when Todd calls Dave instead of Alice during the trial.
ShetlandJames ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:48:56 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I like the surprise element of that but the difficulty here is that it's difficult to find films with surprisingly bleak endings because when you know it's going to be bleak it's no longer a surprise.
SaxRohmer ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:11:45 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't know if it was intentional, but it seemed like the most was clearing up too. The whole time I was like "no you idiots! It's about to clear up, you'll all be fine!" That made it have an even greater effect for me.
Polish_Potato ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:34:21 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If you haven't already, watch the Mad Max movies.
peteroftheevans ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:20:06 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What other films have similar 'bad guy won' endings that you would recommend?
To stop the spoilers could you throw a couple in there that don't have that kind of ending! ;)
Gryphon0468 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:30:36 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Seen Cabin in the Woods?
pazoned ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:28:23 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I really like the fan made ending with the smash mouth music dubbed over it.
Drawen ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:13:55 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The former, or both.
timberflynn ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 01:35:43 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's one of the greatest endings of all time imo. Whether you were invested in the movie or not, you're feeling a lot of emotions at the end.
sinister_exaggerator ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 01:37:20 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Stephen King actually preferred the movie's ending to the one in his original short story. Said he wish he'd thought of that.
DeseretRain ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 11:21:51 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Really? I thought it was a happy ending. I mean, it's clear the world is saved by the army and everything will be fine. Sure, that one dude lost his kid and friends, but in the aggregate it was a happy ending for humanity, unlike the ending of the book, where there was little hope for humanity.
CanucksFTW ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 22:30:18 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Me too, but the movie was poorly-acted dogshit and terrible CGI before that
MechanicalTurkish ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:53:23 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The book ends differently. I was not prepared for the movie ending. Jesus Christ.
[deleted] ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 21:40:16 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You are supposed to hate her. She is one of the main antagonists.
[deleted] ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 23:33:59 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My bad
[deleted] ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 21:28:59 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The sweet, handsome soldier whose girl died right before that? Yeah, that part destroyed me almost as much as the end. Brutal damn movie.
MikeMeyer19 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 21:23:55 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I got stuck watching this movie in a theater with my brother and his gf of 2 dates in high school. Got dragged there because my gf had just broken up with me after 2 years, 2 days prior. Got stuck watching the movie while he sucked face with his girl and another couple on my other side nearly got each other off. Couldn't tell which was worse, real life or the movie
BGYeti ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 22:27:27 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Dude the movie was good what are you talking about, and even Stephen King came out and said he wished his book ended the way the movie did.
PM_Me_Clavicle_Pics ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:48:50 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The movie wasn't that great and I always felt like the ending came out of nowhere. It's just a huge tonal shift. I love most of Stephen King's work (I'm actually a pretty big fan), but I disagree with him. The book's ending was way more understated and consistent with the themes of the story.
jawni ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:27:55 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's too bad. The payoff from the ending and what happens to the Jesus lady is so awesome.
Scavenger53 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:25:36 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Are you kidding? Watch the movie. He shoots her in the fucking face. It is so satisfying.
Wild_Marker ยท 30 points ยท Posted at 22:25:48 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Logic.
MAK911 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:03:04 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Trust me. It is NOT spoiling the movie. It is sooo fucking satisfying seeing her get shot that you should be happy knowing she dies. Hell, when I first saw The Mist, I put her getting shot on A-B repeat and laughed for a hour straight as she kept getting shot in the damn head. Some spoilers are good.
6th_Samurai ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:39:48 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Seriously was a super good movie. The ending was one of the best.
Imperium_Dragon ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 20:01:42 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
She killed Starkiller!
mindfulmu ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 21:16:21 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I swear on all thats holy when she got killed the entire theater started to clap.
SeldonsPlan ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 21:15:58 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You are supposed to hate her though. I loved hating her
TheWhiteNoise11 ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 20:16:29 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What's even worse is that she was kind of right the whole time. As soon as the kid is killed, the monsters are revealed to have been eliminated.
RXL ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 20:36:59 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Expiation!
Finally someone else that understood the ending to that movie. I feel like I have to defend the ending to some angry reddit poster at least once a month.
wendy_stop_that ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:18:52 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's been a few years since I've seen it; what do you mean?
RXL ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:40:33 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The crazy Christian lady keeps chanting "expiation, sacrifice of innocent blood" meaning she wants to sacrifice the kid to make everything back to normal.
In the end this is exactly what happens.
Any time there is an askreddit or movies thread about "what is the worst ending to a movie ever" The Mist is always mentioned and usually even top post with people mostly complaining it was unexpected and didn't fit.
whatdoiexpect ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:39:23 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Summon me should you ever get into a discussion like that again and I shall help you champion the cause. The ending is brutally brilliant. It is depressing, and unfortunate, and tragic, and sad...
And that woman was absolutely right. And it's so wonderfully subtle that it took me too long to appreciate it. Was it tragic coincidence that not 2 minutes after everyone dies, the army rolls in as the big heroes?
Or was it because that boy was sacrificed as she said?
She is such a challenging character for me because for as much as I want to yell at her at the top of my lungs on how terrifically wrong she is: Once it all resolves, she may very well be the only right person after all.
It is so unbelievably frustrating and stands as one of the few movies that defied my expectations. I love it because you do not walk away happy. Every time you see a horror movie, you always walk away describing what you would have done different and how you would have the smart, logical, right-thing-to-do plan. And this movie takes that, and utterly eviscerates it.
What's even more tragic is if they had filmed the original ending they wanted to do, and that was film the caravans rolling by with all the people (his neighbor, prominently) that had left the store earlier in the film, all safe and sound and not dead like we presumed.
This movie made me sad for each and every person, for as few lines of dialogue as they may have gotten in some instances (Sam Witwer's character was unfortunate in that he essentially did nothing to warrant his sacrifice, but his sacrifice actually brought about reprieve) . And it saddens me when I see people not truly appreciate how perfect the ending and her character are. Yes, she's terrible. I despised her. But she made sense. Not in her words (I have faith in God and would never support anything she would say, ever), but in how she acted in a situation that defied all understanding and reasoning.
I love this movie for its subtle, tragic brilliance. I hate this movie because I feel the sorrow, fear, and anxiety every is feeling in that movie.
That is a good writing in my book.
minddropstudios ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:03:39 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I see it differently. She was NOT right. The father lost all hope and gave in to what she essentially wanted. He killed his kid while he was still innocent, before they get caught by the impending doom that seemed to be closing in. Only after he killed them did he realize that he was originally right to hold on to hope and fight a direct fight the whole time. He should have kept fighting with his kid, even if it would have meant them living in a nightmare. Always hold on to hope, even in the face of complete loss. Same message that the father gives to his son in "The Road".
chaosmosis ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:38:02 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's a really cool interpretation, thank you.
Pelican451 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 20:29:49 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That character made me hate the actress. It's a hatred that I still hold to this day.
amievenrealrightnow ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 20:39:51 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I hated her sooo much, but I also think what a great actor.
Zaiya53 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:49:12 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I liked her because I like that actress, but also loved hating her! She's awesome though
solisu ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 21:22:43 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I've never wanted to murder anyone so bad in my life.
beerdude26 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 21:29:22 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I actually screamed "FUCK YES" in the theater when she died. People didn't even disagree
Wivru ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 20:19:33 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This is an underrated comment, maybe because that movie wasn't super huge or particularly associated with nerd culture, but Jesus that woman was super-Umbridge.
BlUeSapia ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 21:11:40 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Even Umbridge would probably think she was an unredeemable cunt.
mellolizard ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 22:21:46 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
She was right though. Sacrificed solider and they werent attacked that night. Sacrificed the kid and the mist ended.
Varion117 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:25:26 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
She was supposed to show what a "thinny" a.k.a "the mist" does to people trapped near/in it.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:38:33 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Does it count if they were intended to be hated?
2meterrichard ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:56:07 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
From what I heard she actually worships the Dark One from The Stand.
hablomuchoingles ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:04:21 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The people in the theater clapped when she died. It was awesome
SkrublordPrime ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:43:02 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Stephen King sure isn't a fan of those holy rollers, huh?
another_unique_name ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:05:21 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Man I completely forgot about the burning hatred I had for her! I think you win this post.
Relevant_Truth ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:59:03 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I recommend everyone to watch the B&W cut.
MidgardDragon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:26:58 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This is another character that was designed to be hated. Without hating her a lot of tension of the plot is gone.
squeegep ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:42:16 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I saw it in the cinema and the audience actually cheered when she died.
Was_going_2_say_that ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:27:00 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If only they listened to her tho. Instead the man in black came and killed them
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:40:36 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The guy that killed her was a god damn hero.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:52:10 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Oh, she can fuck a cactus and die.
Silly__Rabbit ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:47:34 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Love Marcia Gay Harden and I loved how she made me hate the character so much.
askmeifimacop ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:47:53 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I saw it in theaters and when she died, the entire theater cheered, including me.
krier55 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:03:36 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
the actor or the character she plays? i hate both
1SweetChuck ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:16:37 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Or Kai Winn from Deep Space Nine.
oldnyoung ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:52:09 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Marcia Gay Harden is too good at playing an annoying bitch.
AnOilfielder ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:56:22 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The ending pissed me off. Because I have religious nuts like that in my family.
Yes even to the point of sacrifice.
I really prefer the book ending.
Dumb_Dick_Sandwich ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:17:04 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"this is punishment for splitting His atoms!"
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:06:44 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
One of my favorite movie lines is from that, when the old lady throws a can and hits her in the middle of a rant.
"Stoning people who piss you off is just fine, they did it in the Bible. And I got lots of peas."
She's who I aspire to be.
Maybe_Im_Jesus ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:43:19 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The mist is nerdy?
I thought nerdity was based off of things like Pokemon, WOW, LOTR, Star Wars...yknow, shit like that. I've never considered horror to be nerdy.
Wtf?
5171 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:43:18 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Bitch dun got shot do
veggietrooper ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:44:44 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
WE WANT THE BOY
tingwong ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:04:04 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
She was supposed to be hated.
h3dge ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:26:14 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Marcia Gay Harden - brilliant actress.
ChaIroOtoko ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:32:23 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
She was worse in the book, that woman was extremely deluded and insane.
EatMaCookies ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:26:07 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I finished reading the book about a month ago and forgot there was a movie about it! I have to watch it some day. The book was great!
mi_esposa_me_espia ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:49:11 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That woman is the female version of my father.
TheAmbushBug ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:58:14 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I was so excited for this movie when I heard it was being made, went to theatre to watch it, and left before it ended. No amount of creepy monsters could make up for that character. My wife left JUST before she got her just desserts, which would have been an excellent pay-off I might add, but I had to get the hell out of there she grated on my nerves that badly.
BGYeti ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 22:29:30 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
How could you have read the book and not been prepared for that character?
TheAmbushBug ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:34:05 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I was prepared for the character, but the absolutely over-the-top acting was cringe-worthy. I have never felt so uncomfortable and ANGRY in a theater in my entire life.
dashrendar ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:33:23 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I understand. I walked out of Racing Stripes. Sometimes shit just gets too annoying to handle. It's interesting to see what peoples breaking points are. It varies so much. And that is the only movie I ever walked out of. I have seen some horrible shit but only walked out of one movie.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:54:28 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Incidentally, the film also has probably one of the most satisfying headshots in nerd culture.
Patty-Jack ยท 2674 points ยท Posted at 16:49:14 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Olly
snappyk9 ยท 1431 points ยท Posted at 17:18:53 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Olly's not that bad.
Just kidding, /r/fuckolly
[deleted] ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 00:45:37 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
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kjohnny789 ยท 26 points ยท Posted at 01:20:51 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
/r/fucktamale
Dont_Ban_Me_Br0 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:59:34 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
/r/fuckchuck?
WaitTilUSeeMyDick ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 06:04:10 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Oh, FUCK CHUCK.
Bam515 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:05:50 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
/r/fuckcoop
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 01:40:20 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
YOU GUYS ARE SUCKERS! - RIP Precious Roy
ZEB1138 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:38:51 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He's not that bad. He's freeing Jon Snow to do better things than wasting his time at the wall.
[deleted] ยท -8 points ยท Posted at 07:09:17 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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Ghitzo ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 08:11:32 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Fuck off
vetlemakt ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:26:39 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Fuck. I really hope you didn't just flash me a spoiler. Don't reply to this, I'd rather not know. Thank you.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:50:33 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I haven't read the books. I'm just talking out my ass.
vetlemakt ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:04:02 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Phew. Thanks :)
ak_hepcat ยท 281 points ยท Posted at 18:10:22 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
On the other hand, I guess Sifl is pretty cool...
emilydm ยท 127 points ยท Posted at 18:29:52 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Sifl is Crescent Fresh.
Sohlayr ยท 33 points ยท Posted at 19:10:24 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
YOU GUYS ARE SUCKERS!!!
Harvester913 ยท 57 points ยท Posted at 19:32:50 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My God, Sifl and Olly references on reddit. I'm so happy right now.
MrFish1012 ยท 29 points ยท Posted at 21:49:43 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Oh, you KNOW the problems I've had with a lack of Sifl and Olly references.
Discodawn ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 22:20:37 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You have some serious ass problems with lack of references :P
Harvester913 ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 23:10:11 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Sounds like you've got some serious ass lack of Sifl and Olly references on your hands!
[deleted] ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 00:10:51 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Speaking of hands why don't you purchase some legless dogs?
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 01:30:05 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They're like little fluffy throw pillows.
Y_orickBrown ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 01:38:37 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Like cats with personality.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 01:46:01 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They don't run awaaaaaaaay!
Woyaboy ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 12:19:42 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That show completed me when I was a kid. Is there any place to watch them?
MrFish1012 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:50:54 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No reliable way that I know of for the old episodes, but I haven't checked in a while. I think there were DVDs once but they are out of print and expensive. They seem to come and go from torrents and YouTube now and then. Liam Lynch, the creator, has made more recent stuff with Sifl & Olly on his podcast and YouTube though.
GoliathTCB ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 20:31:12 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm the hoopster, guys
ciaisi ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 00:09:14 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Chester eats a lot of cereal
Oh_Gee_Hey ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 05:48:42 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
FYI you can binge watch that shiz on YouTube. Greatest discovery I made in 2015.
Herrenos ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 23:25:46 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
BUY MY BEEHIVES
beigeprius ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 23:38:35 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You gotta get you some Precious Roy Pirate Cripplers.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:56:07 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Where's the love for Chester?
jjackson25 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 08:59:25 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"Oh why do they call you sifl?"
"You'll find out in about two weeks"
OldArmyMetal ยท 22 points ยท Posted at 21:06:01 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"Hey Chester, what's your favorite emotion?"
"... itchy."
[deleted] ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 19:07:41 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Rock!
Cornan_KotW ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 19:25:54 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Whatever.
beforrester2 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:52:28 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Cool
hoopstick ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 20:34:53 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Even baby dinosaurs have heart attacks!
okmkz ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:53:01 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
ROCK
doooom ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:51:12 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hello Doctor Clambake
fignugin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:54:53 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm so curious
gopher33j ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:57:34 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Very crescent fresh...
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:08:29 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I like Andy better
Jwhitetx85 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:41:55 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
ROCK!
structurefall ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:04:46 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Cool, maybe. But not crescent fresh.
Liies ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:31:02 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
yeah man whatever
sandm000 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 22:18:10 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Chester, man, I fucking hated Chester. And precious Roy was a bit of a D bag.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:40:48 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You a Jergen Scotts kind of guy? He has legless dogs.
Djlionking ยท 24 points ยท Posted at 22:46:58 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My favorite was watching a behind the scenes of the last episode of GOT last season. One of the producers was talking about how Olly was a sympathetic character because of what had happened to him. If I was supposed to sympathize or already understand where he was coming from, either the show or I missed something huge.
In short, fuck Olly.
yazid_assaf ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 01:32:16 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It was the show
iHateReddit_srsly ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 06:05:31 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, Olly was done much better in the books.
seajellie ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:10:39 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Show screwed up, or there isn't time to establish 3873 characters in a show. He was a powder boy who was raped most of his life in the sex trade. Jon showed him honor and what it was to be a man of the watch and I think it went to ollys head.
[deleted] ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 23:49:45 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Fuck Olly
evil_con_carne ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 01:16:57 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This also applies for Mr. Robot fans.
kernunnos77 ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 01:39:12 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
#LichJonSnow2016
Je_suis_Pomme ยท 34 points ยท Posted at 17:23:44 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well to be fair he lost his family from people that John brought to their land... Imagine what would you do if you were in his position...Stab yourself
ras344 ยท 61 points ยท Posted at 19:37:48 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I just don't like how the show left out one of the main reasons for the mutiny, which is because Jon was meddling in the affairs of the Seven Kingdoms. In the books, Jon decides to ride south to take back Winterfell from the Boltons, and that's when the men mutiny because he broke his oath to remain neutral.
the_silvanator ยท 49 points ยท Posted at 21:48:23 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Season 5 was absolute bollocks story wise. They left out a ton of key events that sparked the characters to do the things that they did. It's like they were reacting to actions that never happened. All because D&D decided to cut it out and try and be story writers.
[deleted] ยท -30 points ยท Posted at 22:08:39 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Season 5 was absolutely amazing. They cut through the slog of books 4 and 5 and left us in a PERFECT position. Was it perfect? no, was it a transitional season? yes. but god damn they truly nailed it. in the full context of the show i think we will look back and love how they made it happen and linked through the god damn mess that feast/dance is.
jokerknocks ยท 29 points ยท Posted at 23:59:06 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They ruined Stannis' character
[deleted] ยท -11 points ยท Posted at 00:25:20 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You have a false sense of Stannis' character
[deleted] ยท -10 points ยท Posted at 00:07:04 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
George rr Martin ruined stannis. He told the writers what to do, and they did it.
the_silvanator ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 00:46:11 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The context in which they "ruined" Stannis' character is done differently than it is predicted to be done in the books.
BartyBreakerDragon ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 00:57:56 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Context matters for any action.
Like, burning Shireen for the sake of taking Winterfell for the sake of Stannis's personal ambition is a horrible horrible act. Especially when you consider it just failed in epic proportions.
Burning Shireen for the sake of the realm, in a last desperate attempt to hold back the White Walkers? Yes, it's also an awful act. But it no longer makes the character selfish or power hungry, it would make him pragmatic.
And that's a huge distinction. And because we have no idea of the context for the books burning (We know it will be different), we can't say that GRRM ruined the character yet.
Distaly ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 00:01:32 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Something seems to not work here.
[deleted] ยท -18 points ยท Posted at 00:19:46 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Read the entire post ya fuck
the_silvanator ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 00:42:24 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Feast/Dance did have a lot of sludge to it. But instead of just cutting out the sludge like the did in previous seasons, they tried to rewrite a lot of it. This caused them to remove/poorly rewrite parts that gave characters motivations to do what they did, ie.
BartyBreakerDragon ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 00:54:05 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
There's nothing wrong D&D rewriting book arcs per say, because adapting AFFC and ADWD as they were written would be incredibly hard.
The issue was, the rewrites they created were really bad on the whole. Like, they had some fantastic spectacles sure, and some great directed and acted scenes, but the scenes, and the dialogue were just bad, as well as lacking in depth.
And that's the more worrying thing; If the origional content for this season was bad, then it makes the idea that the stuff for the next three years will also be bad.
hooahest ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 07:09:24 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You want more B A D P U S S Y?
LordOfTurtles ยท 22 points ยท Posted at 00:19:43 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Stannis plotline? Ruined.
Iron Islans plotline? MIA.
Tyrion plotline? Way ahead of schedule.
Bran plotline? Who's Bran again?
Jaime plotline? Let him fuck about in a place he isn't supposed to be so we can kill another character that isn't supposed to die.
Sansa? Oh let's stick her in with the Boltons, we haven't seen her being abused enough
They buggered all the plotlines, I'm genuinely curious how they are goinf to write themselves out of the hole they dug
[deleted] ยท -11 points ยท Posted at 00:24:35 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I like this "supposed to die" "ruined chacter" "MIA" complaints.
Like dude. You don't know wwhere any of this shit is going. They sped through 4 and 5, those books were impossible to adapt and they did a damn fine job.
the_silvanator ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 00:44:18 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I believe the character that isn't "supposed to die" is
sunshinenorcas ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:37:55 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well tbf, it's likely she also meets the same fate in the books, maybe by different means, but same end result. Could be skipping a side plot in order to focus the impact on her family.
LordOfTurtles ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:12:11 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Nope, she isn't going to die. She's vital to the plot in Dorne
sunshinenorcas ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:20:30 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And there's also a prophecy about all of Cersei's kids dying before she dies. They still have to do the Dorne plot in the books, but I'd guess Myrcella and Tommen don't make it to the end of the series.
If they scrapped the Dorne plot in the series, or reworked it, then Myrcella really doesn't need to be alive and her dying just speeds up Cersei's downfall.
LordOfTurtles ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:17:40 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't get why they need to rework plotlines that would work perfectly fine in the show.
Fine, sure cut Brienne's character developing journey that goes through the middle of bumfuck nowhere and takes long, I get that, but cutting this?
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 02:14:37 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What about Dorne? Forgetting all they cut, changed, etc...they butchered the fuck out of Dorne.
aSc4rYGh0sT ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:30:52 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
There is no oath to remain neutral. At most it's just a tradition.
MrIste ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 02:17:31 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"OI WHYD THEY HAVE TO KILL ME MUM" - Olly's entire personality
radpandaparty ยท 27 points ยท Posted at 18:31:39 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Plus he killed one of the hottest women in the show
TelldeathNottoday ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 19:32:54 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Didn't she kill olly's parents?
radpandaparty ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 19:38:52 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No, the big canibal guy did I believe
TelldeathNottoday ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 19:43:43 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I already know the answer. She shoots an arrow right through olly's dad.
radpandaparty ยท -6 points ยท Posted at 19:49:01 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well then why did you ask?
TelldeathNottoday ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 19:53:23 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
To remind people that she killed innocent villagers. It was more of a rhetorical question.
wellshire ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 20:28:33 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah but Benjen in that scene was obviously the traitor. It was written all over his face.
Wyvol ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 01:35:49 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
For the watch
Ameisen ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:26:10 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ollie?
TheScottymo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:30:59 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And now here's Ollie Williams withe the Blacky Weather Report, Ollie?
DrTenochtitlan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:58:38 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
For that matter, both "Game of Thrones" Olly and Cousin Ollie from Brady Bunch.
solastalgic ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:06:46 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Goes double for Thick of It fans.
ElNido ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:56:27 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He's just trying to save this city..
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:03:29 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I disagree
norris528e ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:18:11 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
True nerds dont care because Olly isnt in the books
madbadger44 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:25:16 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Mandatory Fuck Olly.
GavinZac ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:19:06 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And Stanley Barton, chief prick of the TV Kingdoms
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:34:13 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Game of Thrones season 4/5 spoiler
Peasant kid who had his whole family and village butchered in front of him. Only choice left in life is to join an organization at the end of the world where he has to spend his whole life working and living a celibate life with other scumbags. At least he gets to protect the realm from the wildlings so that other people don't have to go through what he did. Nope, the guy whom he looks up to and whose life he saved let's these savages through the wall that the organization has protected from said savages for close to ten thousand years.
I know what Jon did is probably for the best, but you have to see it from Olly's perspective as a confused and mentally scarred child.
Mercurse ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:17:38 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's like everyone on reddit conveniently forgot that the wildlings killed all of his family and all of his friends, every single one, and ate at least some of them.
I know it's all fiction but it still bothers me that a large group of people can hate a kid for making an irrational decision in these circumstances. Would you really expect this kid to see the bigger picture ? He's stuck at the damn wall for the rest of his life because of this. And why him ? Why not hate Alliser Thorne ?
BartyBreakerDragon ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:21:13 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Because Olly is more than just what the character is and does, he is a symbol for a lot of the changes in the show that people dislike.
Like Olly is a character with no substance, barely any personality, who has just been used for essentially shock purposes. He's thrown into a place where he doesn't really add anything compared to what he is taking away, and the reason he is there says a lot about D&D as writers and showrunners. And it's not good things. Olly's presence in the story hasn't made it stronger, it's made it more cliche.
Like Thorne, whilst an antagonistic character, we are shown that he is a competant fighter and leader. We have reasons to somewhat like him despite him being an ass. But the same isn't true for Olly, because Olly has no real development as a character.
That's ignoring the fact the betrayal in the show is completely illogical; You have already let Wildings through the wall, and you have sworn testimony from a large number of brothers that the White Walkers are there, and what the stakes are. Killing Jon as such makes no bloody sense anymore.
Mercurse ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:21:01 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That explains why I don't hate him, I haven't read the books. To me Olly is a really unlucky kid caught in a shitstorm. I thought people hated him simply because they liked Jon and Ygritte more.
BartyBreakerDragon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:33:34 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's not just because the show changed stuff from the books, but how the show itself has changed over time from S1.
There are probably a lot of people who hate him because he's just an annoying kid who killed Ygritte and Jon, but still. There's a bigger reason to hate him.
Dynasty2201 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:13:46 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Every time Olly is mentioned, I instantly think of him stabbing Jon.
I've only JUST remembered now that he also killed Ygritte, Jon's first..everything.
Seriously, fuck Olly.
LordOfTurtles ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:20:28 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Character created aolely by the show writers purely to be disliked gets disliked. Shocker
Ignisiel ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 01:22:09 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Except he wasn't. People were meant to like and sympathize with Olly.
montypissthon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:41:26 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Fuck I hate him more than lil annie
[deleted] ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 22:09:17 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It was Jon's fault for not properly explaining his motives and for not being able to properly lead his men.
[deleted] ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 22:11:36 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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SnapbackYamaka ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 22:38:53 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Fuck you
maanu123 ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 01:07:58 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Oh shut the fuck up. He got peer pressured into stabbing John. There's no indication he really wanted to do it, I mean he had tears in his eyes.
kkehoe5 ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 21:54:32 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think "Shame" nun is higher up on the list. I hope she gets what Cerci promised her.
ZukoBaratheon ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:56:27 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Septa Unella was awesome. She reminds me of my friend's super-religious aunt. That bitch scares me.
deneme321 ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 23:53:42 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He is one of my favorite caracters he just has lot of courage and determination for a kid his age.
Seriously can any reddit user here can imagine not wanting to kill a man thats doing bussiness with the people who killed your whole innocent village including your parents?
DarthCitrus ยท 4295 points ยท Posted at 16:16:29 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Sand
[deleted] ยท 3087 points ยท Posted at 16:55:48 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
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[deleted] ยท 845 points ยท Posted at 18:59:02 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
For everyone correcting this, I have to disagree. Although the line is spoken, I believe it to be so bad that it reaches into the screenplay and causes the typo.
Smailien ยท 30 points ยท Posted at 01:41:57 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The line itself isn't terrible... it's what it becomes with the next line.
"Not like you."
shudder
clwestbr ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 04:54:11 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I truly.......deeply.......love you
db8andswim ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 05:53:42 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"You're smooth and you... Never get out?"
DoinWhale ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:35:11 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I always feel for Hayden Christensen. He's not a half bad actor but George Lucas's directing and writing set him up for the most hate almost any actor has received. George literally made an entire fandom hate Hayden.
das_poopchute ยท 1013 points ยท Posted at 18:46:29 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Coarse ftfy
[deleted] ยท 453 points ยท Posted at 19:27:19 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 21:10:16 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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matusmatus ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:16:01 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
As long as we're correcting people, "them" is not as correct as "him or her". Yes, people do it all the time, but "them" refers to multiple people, and "him or her" is a proper way to refer to a single person of unknown sex.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:54:57 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
But it's long and ungainly and by pushing "them" to become the default gender neutral pronoun we're improving our language for future generations' benefit.
jacybear ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:31:45 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It can be confusing. If you're going to try and change the rules if the language, why not a new word? How about herm?
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 05:40:42 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Get it to catch on and become a thing. More power to you. But you'll have do a lot of internetting to get the word out.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:31:50 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Love your username
YOU_CANT_SPEL ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:27:33 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
But that's my job!
karnyboy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:09:50 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Of curse.
Tinfoilpain ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 20:32:43 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
*horse
thewellis ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:48:11 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Coarses for horses
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:55:50 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
FTFY
Vueltaa ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 21:30:01 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My throat is really horse
Vik3628 ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 21:58:11 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Horses for Coarses
akiva23 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 00:18:53 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He was just trying to coerce him to do the right thing.
not_so_smart_asian ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 01:13:42 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Put him back on the right course
ChiefTHeONe ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 20:35:25 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't know if they grade it but........ coarse.
yummyyummypowwidge ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:52:06 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And rough and irritating
Trambampolean ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 05:41:45 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
a fun way to remember is, it is coarse since it gets in your arse.
JesseBrown ยท 48 points ยท Posted at 18:46:59 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
*coarse
zenith2nadir ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 19:22:09 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Of coarse it is...
elykl12 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:12:20 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
*defiantly
BuddaAlcochudda ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:46:03 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Meta as fuck dawg.
pumamaner ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 18:53:02 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Don't forget irritating
TransgenderPride ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:08:50 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And rough!
altruismjam ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 22:00:45 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Loads of people seem to take issue with this line but it seems like something he'd really say, having grown up on Tatooine. He'd absolutely loathe the intricacies of sand. Haters gonna hate.
Drudicta ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 00:05:30 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I live in the desert. Anakin totally has the right to bitch.
hiswill98 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:43:54 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not like you. Your skin is smooth.
Pennyw1se ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:30:38 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not a waste at all. I bet you never spell it incorrectly again!
Runixo ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 23:36:35 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You're right, of coarse I won't!
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:16:50 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm happy you acknowledged your mistake, you're on coarse to be an excellent wordsmith
guymanthing ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:09:23 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Damn spoiler alert
TheBestBarista ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 19:50:40 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hey, not sure if you've noticed or not, but you probably meant to say coarse.
Runixo ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:58:07 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ooh, my mistake. Thanks for telling me though!
Fuck_Me_If_Im_Wrong_ ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:48:39 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yossarianspeilburg ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:06:19 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Its coarse man
TakeOffYourMask ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:19:47 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You misspelled "coarse"
:D
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:57:43 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I hate comments like that.....so coarse...and they're everywhere.
AhhRealMuenster ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:55:41 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Of coarse you misspelled such a simple word
Runixo ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 22:56:49 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Cause, coarse, course are pretty easy to mess up when it's not your mother tongue. Next time, just poke me and say "Hey, that's not correct, do it like this." Significantly more nice for everyone.
AhhRealMuenster ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:34:51 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It was a sarcastic joke which also would be tough to interpret if English isn't your first language. Sorry for the misunderstanding :( meant no harm
Runixo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:59:15 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ooh, I see! My appologies. It's really hard to infer sarcasm through text, to be fair. Might be worth adding "/s" next time!
AhhRealMuenster ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:54:21 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Thanks! Didn't know that trick!
SirSamuelTheGreat ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 02:01:45 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
There, i had to fix that for you too. learn to speak.
NoeJose ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 02:11:53 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You spelled coarse wrong, dipshit.
I_care_so_much ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 23:57:49 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's coarse, you fucking savage.
Sunny_Cakes ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 03:12:50 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think you spelled coarse wrong.
5171 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 06:29:09 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
People are just trying to make sure you never do it again.
sardaukarqc ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 07:06:13 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
or is it a waist?
YYZ_tomato ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 07:10:36 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Coarse ftfy
YOUR_EDlT_SUCKS ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 10:28:57 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You know what else isn't cool? Your edits.
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 00:09:37 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Don't edit your post. Unless it's to admit that you shouldn't have made it out of public school.
Or just move to Facebook.
Was_going_2_say_that ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 00:25:47 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Sir there is a spelling error in your comment
KittenStealer ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 11:11:08 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hey nobody called you a dipshit. Liar!!!
LitrallyTitler ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 11:29:31 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It is coarse you dumbass. And your dipshit edit shows how poopy your head is. Poohead
desertravenwy ยท 105 points ยท Posted at 17:48:02 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
...I immediately thought you were talking about the Dornish bad pussy in Game of Thrones... then I read the replies...
TerminalNoob ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 19:14:10 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Do people hate that character? Because I know I don't...
rqaa3721 ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 22:23:11 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
hyu wontah gud gerl..... batyu nida bed poosy
bites ear for some reason
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 20:16:43 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If you read the books you would
thekyshu ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 01:20:36 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Am I the only one who skipped most of the Dorne stuff in the books? It was written in an incredibly boring way, haha
Blee10 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 08:45:54 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I didn't find them interesting in the show but I also didn't find them interesting in the book.
Kvothealar ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:36:52 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Please explain, who is Sand?
desertravenwy ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 03:57:30 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Spoilers up to the current episode:
The three girls which try to kill the the princess, and instead end up fighting Bronn and Jaime, are called the 'Sand Sisters.'
MrRandomGuy87 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 07:05:33 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Sand snakes
desertravenwy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:09:04 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I feel like I was just hit in the head with a bat... how did I get that wrong. As soon I read your post I was embarrassingly trying to figure out if I could fix mine with nobody noticing...
MrRandomGuy87 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:39:55 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It happens
chmod_666 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:20:35 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
the bastard name for those who are born in dorne.
Zandrick ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:40:47 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I seriously can't figure out who they are talking about.
StezzerLolz ยท 725 points ยท Posted at 17:16:31 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The saddest thing about Episode VII is that it demonstrates that Anakin could have maybe worked as a character, had he been written by someone who could write and acted by someone who could act.
MAY01337 ยท 224 points ยท Posted at 18:27:20 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think Anakin in The Clone Wars show is what should have been in the films.
[deleted] ยท 292 points ยท Posted at 18:53:40 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I remember reading that Christensen wanted to do the voice of Anakin in Clone Wars. The producers said no.
SwimmingSandwich ยท 471 points ยท Posted at 18:58:10 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Wtf this pisses me off more than it should.
Regijack ยท 46 points ยท Posted at 19:36:17 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
he might have been too expensive to hire for the job
Dear_Occupant ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 04:42:33 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Mark Hamill does a ton of voice work in cartoons, I find it difficult to believe Christensen comes with a higher price tag. I mean, maybe his agent just isn't very good at striking a deal but I feel like they could have afforded him if both parties were into the idea.
Regijack ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 07:30:15 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
i imagine hamill will be easier to negotiate with since hes a fanboy himself and will mostly be doing it because he loves what he does
Winstonpentouche ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 19:33:57 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
But Liam Neeson did voice act qui-gonn so it's all good
TheycallmeHollow ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 20:34:51 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
But he was in 2-3 episodes briefly, plus Liam is a big fan also.
Whatshoulditypehere5 ยท 24 points ยท Posted at 20:44:23 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The prequels probably ruined his reputation as an actor, which is too bad because I think Hayden has the potential to be a great actor if he's given a good script with good dialogue.
I feel bad for him and all the actors involved in the prequels but...couldn't they have read the script first before accepting the job?
ManderTea ยท 57 points ยท Posted at 21:11:01 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
To be fair, they probably were thinking "I get to be in Star Wars!" when they signed up.
Whatshoulditypehere5 ยท 30 points ยท Posted at 22:29:59 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And I wouldn't blame them for thinking that way either. Who knew it was going to be that bad?
Lokmann ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 21:14:33 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Actually probably not some of the bigger movies tend to keep the script a secret until casting has been done except maybe the lines needed for casting. This is not universal though so I don't know if they handled star wars in that way. But since the name Star Wars was and is enough to rope in some big talent I'm guessing it was kept a secret until contracts were signed.
Whatshoulditypehere5 ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 22:29:05 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You're most likely right. If that's true then I really feel bad for them. Imagine being one of the actors chosen and you only get to look at a few lines. The lines aren't so bad and it's Star Wars! How bad could it be? Then you start filming and you realize that the script is horrible and since you've signed on a contract, you have to do 2 more movies of this shit.
corn_eater ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:15:03 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Probably right, Lucas was crazy about secrecy.
TheTechReactor ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 23:58:23 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
People are defending Hayden a lot in this thread blaming his acting on a shitty script. That's complete bullshit, I watched episode 2 again last night, and while the script is awful, the worst thing in that movie is hands down Hayden's acting. It's just so bad, he is in scenes with good actors consistently, but literally every line he says sounds like it's some shitty drama camp over actor reciting lines from cat on a hot tin roof. It's so awful, and he's the only actor in the movie that is clearly incapable of making the dialogue tolerable. Everyone else does at least something with the script to make it believable. He's so fucking bad it hurts my soul.
Whatshoulditypehere5 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 03:40:18 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah you have a point, but his performance in episode 3 was alright in my opinion.
yognautilus ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 01:57:39 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Lucas is so lucky that Ewan McGregor was cast as Obi Wan because he was the only good thing about the movies and was the only actor that could make his lines somewhat believable despite the shitty writing and bizarre and abrupt tonal shifts.
With the other actors, they did their best with what they could do and at worst you were rolling your eyes (there isn't an actress on Earth that could have made the "You're breaking my heart" line work). Hayden Christensen was just bad in all aspects. Painfully bad.
TheBobMan47 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:08:39 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
According to this at least, he deiced to leave after Star Wars
TheycallmeHollow ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 20:38:47 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Don't be to upset, the voice actor who played Ob Wan did an amazing job, and actually I prefer his vocal performace over McGregor's.
[deleted] ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 03:40:25 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Honestly, you gotta hand it to most of the Clone Wars' cast. They're all pretty great.
Skylord_ah ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 05:21:17 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Their voices are so similar
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:19:23 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
$$$$$$$$$ probably.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:53:15 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Honestly I would've preferred that, the actor in the Clone Wars isn't as good
DrSmoke ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 00:44:08 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He was terrible.
[deleted] ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 19:50:04 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hayden made a great Anakin. I only wish he's given more credit
TakedownMaple ยท -11 points ยท Posted at 19:43:55 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Thank God they said no
Virus64 ยท 2074 points ยท Posted at 17:45:26 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hayden Christiansen was great as Anakin, just look at the scenes where he has no lines, he's terrifying as a Jedi turned Sith. The writers and director are the ones that made him terrible.
AsheAsheBaby ยท 874 points ยท Posted at 18:38:13 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The "I hate you" line after Obi-Wan wrecks him is brilliantly delivered imo
[deleted] ยท 639 points ยท Posted at 19:25:27 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yea Obi Wan was all like "Bitch I INVENTED jumping over people and cutting them just ask Darth maul"
Smailien ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 01:43:38 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
How the fuck have I never made this connection before!?
ShallowBasketcase ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 06:52:00 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
George Lucas probably only did it by accident anyways.
Smailien ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 08:21:28 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't care why he did it, I'm still embarrassed that I never noticed.
Can we keep this about me, please?
sweatymcnuggets ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:05:56 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Both those scenes were completely contradictory. The method of winning for obi wan us the reason for anakin losing.
scrappyisachamp ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 11:16:40 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"Don't try it Anakin"
slice
Obi wan knew he was going to wreck that ass
chubbychunk ยท 409 points ยท Posted at 18:53:34 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think he did a brilliant job all the way through episode III to be honest.
Imperium_Dragon ยท 286 points ยท Posted at 19:58:13 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Seriously, no one can look as menacing as he can. Sure, his lines were terrible, but so was everyone else's.
chubbychunk ยท 69 points ยท Posted at 20:39:41 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
When he says 'You turned her against me!' And later, 'You will try.' It sound so raw!
Imperium_Dragon ยท 46 points ยท Posted at 20:51:35 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And the "I hate you" sounds pretty frightening if I heard that said to me. Flame or no flame.
chubbychunk ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 22:03:37 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It sounds like his throat is all scratchy from screaming
Dementat_Deus ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 03:45:59 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Breathing volcanic ash will do that to you.
RabidMuskrat93 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 05:55:44 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Seriously. He's got a sort of school shooter "I don't know why I'm doing this but I do" aura about him in III. I loved him in that.
5171 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:30:14 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
from MY point of view the JEDI are terrible!
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:58:36 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Relevant
Imperium_Dragon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:55:44 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They, uh, liked this?
Wut
[deleted] ยท -10 points ยท Posted at 03:17:51 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
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jacybear ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 05:35:08 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ewan was great.
GoodMorningWood ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 05:36:03 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
yea really, if there is anything good you can take away from the prequels is ewan's obi wan.
GoldLegends ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 09:59:02 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I do agree that Ewan is good, but the guy getting downvoted is a big reason why people can't show their real opinion on Reddit. Before Reddit, my friends and I liked the prequels, but as soon as they browsed Reddit, they started to hate it.
Though I agree with a lot of the criticisms, it gets overblown and when they see someones opinion get upvoted while the disagreeing comment downvoted, they take the upvoted comment as the truth.
Truth be told, I thought everyone's acting was just fine. Actually, I thought Ewan and Hayden were on par when it came to acting.
jacybear ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:33:15 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Downvotes are meaningless.
[deleted] ยท 64 points ยท Posted at 19:28:05 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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Docgrumpit ยท 59 points ยท Posted at 19:35:24 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
From my point of view, the Jedi are evil.
TransgenderPride ยท 26 points ยท Posted at 20:09:42 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
#EmpireDidNothingWrong
infernal_llamas ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 21:00:15 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Do. Not. Start.
I hate that "theory" with a passion.
StezzerLolz ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 21:04:06 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's not a theory, it's just a different historical interpretation. I tell you, you rebel-sponsored revisionists are the ones with the real political bias!
infernal_llamas ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:10:11 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It uses threats of a false invasion in order to con us into thinking we need a galactic army to invade Tatooine and take it's Spice!
TransgenderPride ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:16:12 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Lol. Ok, I won't.
Livingthepunlife ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:03:32 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
#Order66WasAnInsideJob
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:30:26 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"Explain your view point then."
"Uh... You're just all kinda dicks..."
chubbychunk ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 19:40:37 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Totally. He was a much more believable character in that film, I think.
Justyouraveragefan ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 19:48:19 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
just watched it the other day, i was marathoning them. he still is annoying in some parts of the film, but his acting is vastly better than in II. But when you think of how Palpatine was manipulating him, and putting those ideas in his head you begin to figure out why he was so confused.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 21:27:19 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Anakins descent is very well done, you can see it start as soon as he meets Palpatine in Episode 1. It makes it much more understandable than it was when I was 9 and ROTS came out.
rcoelho14 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 22:10:32 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Still I think they made the transition too quickly.
One moment he was pointing his lightsaber at Palpatine and then ratting him to Mace Windu, and 10 minutes later he was giving himself to the Dark Side. But still, Episode 3 was very good, even though people hate the prequels (and are right about EP1 and EP2), I just can't hate EP3.
subtle_nirvana92 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:49:29 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It was a split second decision. Besides If Windu assassinated Palpatine the Jedi would be in the shithouse anyways. That would have overextended their power.
GoldLegends ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:02:51 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He's giving in to the dark side because he really needs to save Padame. He was already on his way there when he saw his mother die during episode 2. It literally took two episodes/movies for him to get there.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:11:07 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
As a Sith Asshole he is great but his scenes with Padme are still awful.
SHIT_DOWN_MY_PEEHOLE ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 20:52:54 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He was terrifying when he looked at the camera on Mustafar
chubbychunk ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 22:04:17 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I always thought the extra red and yellow contacts was just a little too much, but yes, his actual expression is great.
SHIT_DOWN_MY_PEEHOLE ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 22:30:30 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It showcased his power in the Dark Side
chubbychunk ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:34:07 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I know that, don't get me wrong. I just think they looked a little too bold/fake. Something slightly dimmer would've kept the cinematics whilst stopping me stepping away from the story and going 'woah those contacts are bright!'
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:19:50 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This is the end for you my karma.
Harry_Potthead ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:32:28 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think that he had some pretty good moments, and the script was terrible, but he is a very flat actor most of the time. He was good at showing anger in RotS, but he didn't really show any other emotions.
Sheepvasion ยท 194 points ยท Posted at 19:08:40 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"...not just the men, but the women and the children too. They're like animals and I slaughtered them like animals. I hate them!"
[deleted] ยท 67 points ยท Posted at 21:28:19 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The hardest to believe part about that is that Padme still falls in love with someone who outright says he massacred an entire village.
WeightyUnit88 ยท 27 points ยท Posted at 23:59:56 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I dunno, the thought of someone destroying an entire village as an act of revenge makes me very moist
Am a man BTW
[deleted] ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 00:54:10 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They're Sand People tho it's k
Smailien ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 01:45:10 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The more emotion you give him, the better he is. His worst scenes are those where he is trying to talk like a normal person... but saying lines that no normal person ever would.
piratepolo15 ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 22:01:46 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think he did that scene very well
BlakeTheBagel ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:42:53 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Honestly in my opinion, that line of dialogue was one of the best delivered lines of the prequels. It perfectly encapsulated the angry and emotionally-torn personality of Anakin so well. Christensen delivered that line really well.
Sheepvasion ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:54:11 on January 4, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
its like he knows how he's feeling, just not why.
zardoz_speaks_to_you ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 04:28:19 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I was so disappointed that this was the catalyst for Anakin's turn to the dark side - sand people killing his mom? Seriously? Would have made much more sense for there to have been a Jedi battle on Tattooine where his mom is killed in the crossfire by the Jedi. Then it would be logical for him to hate and want to kill the Jedi. Or maybe Obi Wan and Padme have an real or perceived love affair behind Anakin's back - they kind of hinted at that just barely at the end of Ep III. Then he would have had a reason to feel betrayed by Obi Wan, and it would have added so much depth to Obi Wan's character and made his sense of regret in A New Hope that much more meaningful.
Mujeriego217 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 21:01:24 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I REALLY like the "what have i done" after he helps Palpatine kill Windu.
Winstonpentouche ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 19:35:32 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm also a fan of
"I will stop you Anakin, I must."
"You will try"
My brother says it a lot but we are also fans of the prequels.
cylon_agent ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:49:59 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm pretty sure he says "I will do what I must."
Unthinkable-Thought ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 19:10:50 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't even hate the line about sand. I accept it. The line I hate is in 3. Something like my powers have doubled since our last encounter Count Dooku. And I almost typed Cunt Dooku but auto correct fixed it the first time.
ScalySalmon ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:44:12 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I say this all the all time! I love how well he portrays hate and anger. Every time I say that to someone they just look at me funny.
Tittytickler ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:01:33 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ya honestly the most convincing feeling of hatred I have seen in a movie. You can feel the hatred in his eyes. I love it. Got to see darth vader in that moment.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:48:20 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
prequels have a shit ton of memorable lines
Covert_Ruffian ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:49:47 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ani gets rekt MLG 420 SHOTS FIRED.
tohighforthisritenow ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:00:18 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
r/montageparodies
FarSnatch ยท 1138 points ยท Posted at 18:09:25 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I totally agree , I don't understand why everyone is hating on christensen.
The dialogue written was just fucking stupid but its not like he wrote it. He did his job sufficiently in my opinion. In some rare moments you can even say he did a good job acting. But definitely not as bad as the hate he gets on the internet
holyheadharpy ยท 656 points ยท Posted at 18:33:12 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
i feel like the prequels were basically decent to really good actors being given the shittiest material to work with and doing what they could with it. i've heard that it nearly killed natalie portman's career, and now she's got a fucking oscar
UVladBro ยท 544 points ยท Posted at 19:11:28 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ewan went full ham as Obi, only way that was going to work.
Schadenfreudenous ยท 100 points ยท Posted at 21:53:50 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think he did a really good job. I love Ewan's Obi-Wan.
nadajoe ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 04:40:01 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ewan was the only one I liked. It seemed like he was in on a joke.
Samuel L. was stiff and rigid (more so I believe than the others, though they all were). Lance Reddick would have been better for the dialogue.
Liam Neeson and Darth Maul were killed in the first movie... what terrible decision making. Although, Liam's acting chops were already dead due to terrible writing. Can you imagine a The Grey/Taken-esque Liam Neeson as a Jedi Knight?
There's so much more. I love Star Wars, so I stomach I, II, & III. But they are bad movies. Great concepts, but train wrecks in general. The Darth Plageus novel opens up the PM a little bit more and makes it more bearable, but it's still a dumpster fire.
Love TFA btw.
shoulderslikewings ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:41:00 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"Another happy landing."
Triquetra4715 ยท 22 points ยท Posted at 21:55:06 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And ham absolutely works with Star Wars.
ProssiblyNot ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 03:48:23 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"Anakin, my allegiance is to the Republic, to DEMOCRACY!"
Line gave me chills.
[deleted] ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 01:39:56 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
God bless that man.
"YOU WERE THE CHOSEN ONE! I LOVED YOU!"
whoinventedclown ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 01:48:59 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It was "You were my brother, Anakin! I loved you!"
Blipblipbloop ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 07:58:24 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
To be fair it's part of the quote too. "You were the chosen one! It was said that you would destroy the Sith, not join them! Bring balance to the force, not leave it in darkness!" (Anakin screams "I HATECHOOOOOOOOO!!") "You were my brother Anakin, I loved you."
rumbidzai ยท -13 points ยท Posted at 21:54:34 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
If Christensen had had the presence of mind to do the same it could possibly have worked, but he just didn't. You could give the script some of the blame, but casting him in the first place is what's really unforgivable here.
It's Star Wars and they fielded the biggest stars of the time. They could have picked anyone, but somehow pick someone that couldn't have fooled a 3 year old as santa.
edit: I guess it's just a downvote train now, but would anyone care to enlighten me on when everyone started to like Christensens performance or what they think is good about it?
kin33 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 08:16:13 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
A lot of it can come down to directing as well. George wrote the awful dialogue its probable that he also gave awful direction(he never left his fking chair).
rumbidzai ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 10:40:03 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I have no idea, they might just have given up. There's a lot of things that could have gone wrong, but nobody can honestly say his performance was even remotely ok. Even stills from the movies don't look convincing.
I've tried looking into what he did before Star Wars to be considered along people like Christoper Lee, Natalie Portman and Ewan McGregor and the only thing I can see is a possible likeness to Mark Hamill.
DrKilgoreTroutMD ยท 186 points ยท Posted at 19:13:54 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The greenscreen was also a big problem, you're just not going to get as good of a performance out of someone in front of one of those instead of, y'know, the actual scene their character is standing in.
nononsenseresponse ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 21:09:07 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Kind of a tangent, by I remember watching the first Hobbit appendices where Sir Ian McKellen had to perform with just green screen separate from Bilbo and the Dwarves (due to their sizes and filming in 3D). He was SO frustrated by the process because he was used to working the chemistry between actors instead of just, well, green objects and walls.
Kromgar ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 21:35:32 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
More than frustrated he started crying
Neveronlyadream ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 01:39:22 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And lamenting that he didn't get into acting to talk to tennis balls on sticks in front of a green screen.
It's definitely not an ideal situation for an actor, and you're probably not going to get the best performance out of them.
ALLKAPSLIKEMFDOOM ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 05:46:36 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I knew something was up. I thought the majority of Gandalf's lines in The Hobbit were really badly delivered
TheDarkFiddler ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:43:54 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'd argue that you a CAN get a comparable performance out of a green screen actor, you just need the RIGHT actor... and good direction. You need an actor who is great at visualizing themselves elsewhere, in place and people who aren't present.
udbluehens ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:28:48 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
I was playing uncharted 3 and found out the new stars wars was partly filmed in the rub al Khali desert
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:15:15 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This is cool.
Deoth ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:46:54 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Then how does voice acting work so well? Like others have said I think it falls on the writers for making the say stupid things and the director for making them say it in a stupid way.
DrKilgoreTroutMD ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 19:52:03 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's not a bad point, but I think it's because voice acting is totally non-physical, puts the actors into a different mindset and there's no expectation that they'll interact with their environment.
You're also right that direction is a huge issue, and greenscreen (and probably voice acting too) relies a lot more on the director.
infernal_llamas ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 21:02:29 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And the irony?
The apparently knock-off CGI cartoon ended up being the best part of the prequels. It was good. It made me not hate Jar-Jar quite as much. It got the pacing of action and backstory right.
SomeRandomGuy00 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:26:29 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
There's a knockoff CGI cartoon!? Or are you talking about The Clone Wars?
infernal_llamas ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 23:48:21 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Um. The 3D one. "knockoff" is harsh, it is very good with a dedicated team, but it looks like it was at first just capitalizing on the prequels.
zanderkerbal ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:50:46 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Sort of the reverse of "You put a bow tie on a pig, it's still a pig"?
FirePowerCR ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:07:51 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What do you mean you heard that? Like someone on the inside said she was having a hard time getting work because of those movies? Based on IMDb it didn't really seem to affect her career very much.
Twohalfhour ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:15:42 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I really don't mind them either. What is the main reason that people don't like them? I haven't watched them since I was probably 14 but I didn't think they were bad
DoctorStrange37 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:23:12 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Natalie Portman openly admitted to under-performing on purpose because she didn't want to do the films (or at least the first).
Hayden was bad, his deliveries were bad and his expressions at times just seemed out of place (looked so evil when he was supposed to be a good guy early on and when he has supposed to be redeemed when he's dead and imposed into Jedi). And he didn't do anything since to prove he could act with a better script. He has his moments, but he was mostly pretty crap in those 2 films.
Of course this is just my opinion but it's what I hear most also.
ban_this ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 21:08:40 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Then why did she take the role?
I think the Jedi footage was taken from a screen test or something like that. Lucas cut and pasted his head from that into the scene. So you can't fault him for that one, he wasn't even knowingly doing that role.
Really Lucas was just casting based off how people looked. Christensen looked pretty cool, especially in RotS, it's just that when he spoke it was all wrong.
DoctorStrange37 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 22:13:25 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Her agent essentially made her do it and she was still a child and children don't think things through. I mean she was good in Leon even younger and she is obviously successful since with her Oscar etc. So that leans towards it being true, though it could be a wild rumour. But at least she's proven that she can act. Christensen however...
senor_top_hat ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:51:41 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If you watch the "behind the scenes" on revenge of the Sith, he acts pretty well. Lucas kept coming up to him and telling him to tone it all down "in order to see the transgression to the dark side"
DoctorStrange37 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:29:29 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
haha totally believable. Lucas definitely has a hand to play in how bad acting was in all 3 films. But it was just so consistent, I can't imagine he would've been necessarily good with a better/different director.
msut77 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:54:56 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Somethings that were cool ended being ruined for me. Like the Kashyyk D-Day scene (thank you Lucas for the Spielberg envy) where the Wookies et al. leave defensive cover to attack robots on the beach. Not sure if I come off like a crazy person, the ewoks had rocks and pointy sticks.
Silent_Ogion ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 19:15:55 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Exactly. Christiansen was given shit to work with, no one could have saved those lines in those movies. I feel so bad for him for the hate he gets; he wasn't the writer, none of it was his fault. A good actor can adlib lines to help, but you can't just adlib two entire movies.
I still don't like him as an actor though, but that's because of other movies I've seen him in. I give everyone in the prequels a pass for jumping at the name 'Star Wars' before realizing what hell they were getting into.
ban_this ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 21:10:53 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't really fault Christiansen, he was miscast. He didn't have a voice that made me think he'd become Darth Vader. Add to that the shitty dialog and he was fucked.
saors ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:09:56 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The only other movie I've seen him in was Jumper and I enjoyed the film, although it's been a long time since I've seen it and I could just be nostalgic...
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 20:45:01 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
When Obi Wan tells Padme about the younglings... You know Ewan is trying but it's just such God awful writing.
FarSnatch ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:52:50 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I cringe so hard at that scene. There had to be a better way of phrasing that.
This scene really proved the writers were incompetent
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:16:32 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Truly. I really wonder how these guys get their jobs. With the amount of writing talent out there, these is the best guys they could find for the job?
self_arrested ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:51:03 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
yeah I think that at times Portman and McGregor appear to be acting badly too which proves it's not the actors fault.
piscano ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:20:53 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
One of those rare moments: I thought the scene in III when Padme first tells him she's pregnant... his stuttering confusion and gravity of it hitting him, then resigning into a "everything's gonna be alright" attitude was pretty damn good.
Picnic_at_the_Crisco ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:20:06 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's incredibly difficult to make a poorly written script sound believable.
Z_Kell ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:23:23 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well said, good sir!
ttmab7 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:20:06 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Honestly, the guy is not a bad actor. Look at Shattered Glass.
Pennsylvania6-5000 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 18:50:45 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Why, everyone hates on him? I've seen wood with more emotion than him. There was absolutely no chemistry between him and Natalie Portman. Sometimes this can be fixed by the editor, or the director, but you can't put his wooden performance completely on the writing. Yes, the writing was bad, but his acting was bad, like, soap opera level bad.
Example: I've never seen someone speak about hating something with no emotion, whatsoever.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:20:41 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
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ban_this ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 21:13:22 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Shouldn't they blame Tarkin? he was the guy in charge in the first one. And the Emperor was running the show with the second Death Star. Vader was fully in charge in ESB, and he got shit done.
awesomemofo75 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:43:27 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I agree, he was awesome in Takers
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:25:05 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ewan McGregor and Ian Diarmid had the same quality of dialogue and they were great.
nadarko ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:43:27 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's a shame that 90% of scripts are made without the actors input. I think that most movies would see a marked improvement in a movie's dialog if the the writer had an actor to be his foil.
lava172 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:48:43 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It doesn't help that his delivery on every single fucking line in Episode 3 is horrible.
HelpDeskHeroes ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:06:49 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He was brilliant in 90 Minutes in Heaven.
Sozmioi ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:10:19 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's like Wesley in Star Trek The Next Generation. You can't blame Wil Wheaton.
jml97 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:17:56 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You missed your chance.
Dear_Occupant ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:30:50 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If there's a Hollywood writer or director reading this right now, you could strike gold by casting Hayden Christensen in a well-written role and rebooting his career. There are tons of us out here who really feel like he got a raw deal in the prequels.
moonwalkindinos ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 08:08:31 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I thought he was amazing in ROTS.
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 19:49:19 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I agree, check out my post on the prequels here
KingOfRedLions ยท -8 points ยท Posted at 18:59:08 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I hate him because the actor who played darth vader in th OT was invited to cameo at the end of episode 3 and be the guy in the suit, but then apparently Hayden put up a huge stink and demanded that he wear the suit, but he was to short and had to wear stilts. Also I heard he was the main reason that Anikin's force ghost was changed at the end of episode six.
Darkblitz9 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 20:41:06 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I believe there's an interview where he stated that he hated the lines and didn't say anything about it because it was the biggest role of his life and didn't want to fuck with Grand Emperor Lucas
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:27:55 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I thought he was great too! I've watched a lot of The Clone Wars series with my kid and I think it's closer to the original trilogy in spirit than the prequels were. It's kind of sad to watch though because it makes me think of what the prequels could have been if they'd been better written and directed. I think all the actors in the prequels did great with what they had to work with and that it's unfair that Hayden Christiansen alone has to bear the brunt of the poor writing, directing, characterization, and bad fan reception. He did a good job, lets cut the poor guy some slack.
Whatshoulditypehere5 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:37:18 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah I agree. All the actors in the prequels could have had much better performances if the script/dialogue wasn't so awful. The characters in the prequels have no personality and it's because they don't really know how to act with the lines they were given.
gamesk8er ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:56:39 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He's actually a marvelous actor. If you haven't seen it, take the time to watch Shattered Glass, which features him as the main character. Easily one of my favorite movies and he is FANTASTIC in it.
thefrenchhornguy ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:33:49 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Writer and director, singular. That's what happens when you give George Lucas...
http://i.imgur.com/cJlBUVL.gifv
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 23:29:15 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Whenever some gives Hayden shit for that, I like to point out Samuel L Jackson was Mace Windu and was boring as shit, so you can't blame the actors.
kiwirish ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:24:45 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"Enough is enough! I've had it with these motherfucking Siths on this motherfucking planet!"
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:08:01 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
'Hayden Christiansen was great as Anakin, just look at the scenes where he has no lines'
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Virus64 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 19:16:23 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Being a good actor doesn't mean you have to speak.
MadamBeramode ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:18:17 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
For the first few decades of movies, actors didn't speak!
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:18:32 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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jesus_fn_christ ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:52:39 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Agreed, I've seen him in other things, specifically Shattered Glass, where he is quite good.
gamesk8er ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:58:12 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This is my favorite movie that no one has ever heard of. So excellent from start to finish. To me, Peter Saarsgard steals the show but basically everyone is great in it.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:24:38 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Exactly, watch Life as a House or Shattered Glass. Dude can definitely act as can Nadalie Portman. It was completely director/writing that lead to their abortion of a performance
TeethOrBullets ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:44:17 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not to be confrontational, but it's because the guy can't act for shit. My mother saw him in a stage show, and said he was exactly the same: a whiney, angsty teen.
Almost every line has the same, shoddy delivery and his emotions were extremely flat. The only time I felt genuine emotion was when he was burning at the end of Episode III.
It didn't help that Ewan McGregor pulled a good performance out of nothing, so Hayden was constantly forced (in vain) to compete with him.
Zed_ate_my_sled ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:59:29 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"YOU UNDERESTIMATE MY POWER!!!!11"
nightfire36 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:28:43 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Idk, have you seen his other movies, like "glass" (i think). Acted exactly the same, but I think he had more to go on. I hated the character more for the actor than the character himself. But, it may just be me.
Wazula42 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:46:11 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm sorry, I have to disagree. He's wooden as balls. He's got a worse monotone than Keanu Reeves. When he has to stand in one place and glare at the camera he's mildly effective. But even with the benefit of the doubt I just can't enjoy his performance for one tiny moment.
Gankdatnoob ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:52:17 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Great? His delivery was stilted, his voice was nasally and didn't carry at all. You could have had him read Shakespeare and it would have sounded hollow.
notpetelambert ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:46:17 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Christensen is a force of nature when he's not saying anything. The attack on the Jedi Temple scene and the scene where he slaughters the Separatist leaders is goddamn terrifying. And it ends with him glaring, Sith-eyed and murderous, giving his very best glare of pain and hate directly into the audience.
Loki_The_Trickster ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:59:17 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Agreed, he did well with the shit lines and terrible direction he was given. Even Liam Neeson, Samuel L. Jackson, Natalie Portman, and Ewan McGregor couldn't elevate their respective characters from what George provided them with.
IICVX ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:58:53 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah there's this youtube channel with three videos about "what if episode (1, 2, 3) was good?" where the guy talks about changes he'd make to the prequels, and a lot of what he says makes a ton of sense and are total "duh, why didn't they do that?" moments.
Like one big thing: change Naboo to Alderaan. It's so blatantly obvious in retrospect. Why wouldn't we spend a large portion of the first three movies getting attached to a planet that then blows up later? How else is Princess Leia going to be a, well, princess of Alderaan?
Bladelink ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:26:24 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, I think the dialogue in those movies is far and away the worst part of them. The plot is generally decent.
FLIGHTxWookie ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:09:10 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I know this is too late to really be relevant, but I feel like I have to say... It's not Christiansen's "acting" or general presence on screen that gets me, its his delivery of the lines. A lot of his lines are similar to Kylo Ren's "I'm being torn apart" line, but his delivery is just not as good as Driver's. He doesn't convey emotion to me very well, and kind of always has that awkward feeling like when he's hitting on Padme before she realizes she's interested in him.
Mr_Oblong ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:12:53 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
After watching them again recently I think I've decided that Hayden wasn't that bad it's just that Anakin is a massive douche. Hardly any redeeming qualities as a character, which perhaps is the point?
tofleet ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:40:15 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
[sees literally any guy scowling]
goddammit that is terrifying
braised_diaper_shit ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 05:49:04 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Dude, Hayden is a wooden-as-fuck actor.
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 19:47:38 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I totally agree. check out my post about the prequels being underestimated here
MadamBeramode ยท 498 points ยท Posted at 18:47:06 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Hayden did a fairly good job as Anakin considering what he had to work with in the prequel trilogy.
Anakin Skywalker in The Clone Wars TV series (2008-2014 and is also official Disney Canon), is an excellent representation of Anakin Skywalker and explains many of the reasons for why he eventually fell to the dark side. The show goes into greater depth about the relationship between Anakin and Padme along with introducing a brand new character that is arguably the best canon character outside of an official film (Ahsoka Tano).
All of his scenes in The Clone Wars help set up Vader in the original trilogy and in Star Wars Rebels.
Count Dooku and Palpatine are vastly better represented and represent truly terrifying villians in the animated series.
EDIT: For those of you who don't think Hayden did a fairly good job, I will point out the other major actors. Christopher Lee, Natalie Portman, and Ewan Mcgregor are all very good actors. However good acting can only do so much with the mess that the prequels were.
Griffinson ยท 65 points ยท Posted at 19:10:39 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I can't see Ahsoka being better than Fives. The amount of depth we get from a Clone is amazing, especially since we follow most of his career throughout all six seasons.
MadamBeramode ยท 51 points ยท Posted at 19:16:52 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I bring up Ahsoka since she's so heavily tied to Anakin and because she shows up later in Rebels. Fives was a fantastic character as well and his story arc was well written.
Vundal ยท 24 points ยท Posted at 21:09:00 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Also asoka is THE straw that breaks anakin's back concerning his problems with the Jedi Council. Their handling of him in Revenge is just icing at that point .
MadamBeramode ยท 25 points ยท Posted at 21:10:11 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The movies make it like he dived right into the dark side because of Padme. However The Clone Wars series shows a lot of little steps here and there as well as the manipulation on behalf of Palpatine that show why Anakin fell.
Vundal ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:49:28 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah it's pretty great. Also the growth of the republic into the empire (tech wise) is really clever
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:24:42 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm sorry I probably didn't pay attention to that, could you point out how that took place?
Vundal ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 03:57:50 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So actually we see the republic's walkers go from 6 to 4 legs and the development of 2 leg walkers as well at the end of the series we see yoda get into a Jedi star fighter that looks exactly like a tie fighter. You even see the trooper armor change into what will become the storm troopers
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:04:56 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
great now I have a reason to rewatch the series
h00ter7 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 21:32:11 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Plus we get to see her abandon the Jedi order, and not turn to the dark side.
SomniferousSleep ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 22:02:44 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Though Little Soka walks away of her own accord, it is not that she has abandoned the Jedis, but that the Jedis have abandoned and failed her.
I think somewhere along the lines the Order is just failing at humanity (regardless of species). People have strengths and weaknesses, and needs. Anakin has fears and rage, and unspeakable love for Padme. Obi Wan himself nearly left the order because of the love of a woman (we learn in The Clone Wars).
It appears to me that the Order just isn't equipped to deal with the great struggles of the heart. That's why the Dark Side is so tempting... It knows what the heart wants.
I've never been so proud of a character as I am of Little Soka though. I'm so, so proud she didn't go back to the Order.
h00ter7 ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 23:08:58 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Your statement goes along with my favorite quote in the SW universe, "Only a Sith deal in absolutes."
I just love the fact that Anakin is so wrong about so many things, but not about the hypocrisy of the Jedi Order. Ahsoka, recognized it when she left, and Anakin had a front row seat to that debacle. Even better that Obi-Wan, Anakin's moral center, proves the hypocrisy with that line.
Imperium_Dragon ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 19:57:07 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's weird when you look at the prequels and the old clone wars cartoon (made by the guy who made Samurai Jack I believe) after watching the CGI clone wars. The clones are no different than the droids besides having fleshy bits in those two. Everyone (especially the clones) have better personalities and don't feel like wood.
VioletCrow ยท 26 points ยท Posted at 20:14:05 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hey don't diss the old clone wars cartoon. That was pure, distilled badassery on screen! Like the part when Grievous takes on like 5 jedi at once. Or the part when Mace Windu single-handedly takes out an entire battalion of droids.
BlUeSapia ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 21:15:51 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Than they turned Grevious into a coughing pussy in the films.
VioletCrow ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:19:05 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
:(
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:06:49 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Mace Windu turned him into a coughing pussy with the force. He crushed his chest armour, which fucked up his lungs and probably gave him a healthy fear of Jedi that he used to hunt for fun.
SSJ5Gogetenks ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:04:29 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That was retconned, as he has the cough in the new Clone Wars cartoon. He is okay sometimes in that but still basically an ineffectual pansy. I think he's killed literally one jedi on screen.
Pun-Master-General ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 20:50:28 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Tell that to the Muunilist 10 (the clones you see take down a goddamn city in the cartoon).
Personally, I liked that cartoon because it showed the Clones, especially the ARCs, as the utter badasses they were instead of canon fodder.
Debug200 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 22:41:19 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think his point was about their character development, not their capabilities. Yes, they showed incredible military skill but they had basically zero character development.
Pun-Master-General ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 20:52:20 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If you liked that, I highly recommend reading the Republic Commando series. It's no longer canon, but it's about a bunch of clones and the Mandalorians who trained them, and it really focuses on the people behind the helmets. Some of the characters even got a cameo in TCW, so that's cool.
Gunmetal_61 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 21:25:01 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Centered around Delta Squad right?
Angusthebear ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 23:27:26 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Delta Squad is involved, but it's mostly about Omega Squad
WillKaede ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:54:42 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They did alright with Fives despite scrapping everything Karen Traviss did with the Clones and their culture
chowder138 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:21:13 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Since you mentioned Rebels, is it any good? I watched a few minutes and it seems really cheesy and obviously meant to appeal to kids. Could an adult enjoy it?
00antho ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 21:30:19 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I just caught up to Rebels and it's no more cheesy or childish than Clone Wars was. I think most adults would like it.
chowder138 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:32:15 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Sweet, I'll check out the first season. Should probably watch Clone Wars first though.
leadhound ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:42:24 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
More than probably.
MadamBeramode ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:41:36 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Its not quite as dark as the later seasons of Clone Wars, but its still fairly good. I personally would watch Clone Wars first since a major plot character in Rebels is from there.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 20:04:49 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
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WollieNL ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:11:04 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If you wanna read up on some cool sith stuff, go read the Darth Bane trilogy. They're written by the head writer of the Mass Effect series and are most likely the best book series I've ever read.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:11:09 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
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Plasmodicum ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:35:12 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Jumping in here to say I'm super excited to start what you're doing! I've got the first Darth Bane on hold at the library (skipping most of Old Republic b/c I just started playing KOTOR for the first time) and I've mapped out all the books I want to read chronologically. Sort of a New Years thing. I was so impressed with The Force Awakens that I decided it was time to explore the EU.
Shout out to /r/starwarsEU for anyone looking for more info on the books and other stuff.
Also, I went to HS with a Jade Green, but I don't know his middle name, haha.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:00:15 on January 4, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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Plasmodicum ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:02:30 on January 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Afraid not. Three high schools, though? That doesn't sound fun.
Gathorall ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:40:50 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Anakin's strengths and weaknesses, and his mentors' downfalls are indeed better represented.
rcoelho14 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:18:13 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Of those 3 you mentioned (plus Samuel L. Jackson), I think only Ewan Mcgregor was good. The dialogues were so forced, so stupid sometimes. And they didn't have someone with a brain telling them they can and should do better.
ยซRidley's massive case of the nerves explains how her early days on the Star Wars: The Force Awakens lead to J.J. Abrams labeling her first performances as "wooden."ยป
And despite all the criticism on her character, people agreed that Daisy Ridley's performance was great.
So...why was that? I assume that it was because she had a director simply telling her "your performances suck, you can do better than that, so do it".
You could see some talent in Hayden. He had some lines delivered very well and some parts where he simply didn't speak.
It's no coincidence that some of the greatest actors of those years sounded wooden and boring.
MadamBeramode ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:43:44 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Sorry I didn't mention Samuel L. Jackson, who is an amazing and very talented actor, since he doesn't have nearly as much screen time as the main characters or is a major villian like Christopher Lee's character was.
John Boyega and Daisy Ridley had spot on performances and John was absolutely hilarious. The chemistry between them two was great as well as their chemistry with Harrison Ford.
Im_Your_Turbo_Lover ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:43:34 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
All it comes down to is Lucas's shitty screenwriting and inability to write dialogue and nobody having the balls to challenge him.
Plasmodicum ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:40:58 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Wife wants to see TFA, but has never watched any SW, so we've been going through them. Just finished OT, and it's been several years for me. Found myself noticing the dialogue. Really cheesy at times, but the actors somehow make it sound OK. Never noticed as a kid, but it's super obvious now. Still super enjoyable, but Lucas is definitely a "big idea" guy.
TimWithNumbers ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:00:36 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Most definitely. I've only just recently started watching this, and for me, it takes what little we knew of the man named Anakin Skywalker from the original trilogy (fought in the Clone Wars, great pilot, good friend), and really fleshes out those aspects of the character, whereas I felt the prequels, having a limited frame of time, were really only able to work with the end game of "must become Darth Vader by the time episode III wraps up". I find that I'm able to look upon the prequels more positively having this series as a companion piece.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:49:32 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Are you talking about the 3D animated series or the 2D style one? Do I have to watch both?
MadamBeramode ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 21:00:19 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Only watch the 3D; the 2D is not longer considered canon and is now part of the EU. However the 2D is still an extremely good show in its own right.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:18:01 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Sometimes I think that Star Wars is only made worthwhile by the games and other derivatives. Will check out the series.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 22:08:15 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Don't watch it in the original order, find a viewing guide or the chronological list.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:35:30 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Oh God... Yeah found one and it's on Netflix in my country. Hopefully all seasons though.
MadamBeramode ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:40:51 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The Clone Wars Movie, Season 1, and 2 are pretty bad. I'd only watch the required episodes (I'm sure you could watch them) as they are very much made for kids. Season 3 and on is made for mature audiences.
snakehawk37 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:00:33 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm going to have to check out that show. Any other Star Wars shows worth watching?
MadamBeramode ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:42:01 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The only two shows that are official Disney canon are Rebels and the 2008-2014 The Clone Wars series. I'd watch Clone Wars THEN Rebels.
Plasmodicum ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:38:11 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Does that really matter, though? (new to the EU)
MadamBeramode ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:41:50 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Some new people aren't too interested in the EU since it no longer has any bearing on the films since its considered obsolete and no longer being updated (I still like the EU, but as an entity separate from the official canon).
EU has some great stuff and I always recommend exploring it as some of the new canon is being borrowed from it (Jacen Solo = Ben Solo-ish). Also a huge fan of The Old Republic era, especially KOTOR 1 and 2. SWTOR is also great, but its an MMO and may not be for everyone.
Dark Forces + Jedi Academy are also fun games.
Plasmodicum ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:53:15 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Interesting. My instinct is that I don't care what some room full of executives decides is "canon" or not, but I'm new to the whole thing. I grabbed the Star Wars special on steam, so I've got a bunch of cool shit to work through, including all those you mentioned. TFA really reinvigorated my excitement for Star Wars!
dpash ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:57:11 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Portman is responsible for one of the worst pieces of acting in the trilogy in AotC when she's knocked out of a craft. She's unconscious on the floor and some comes over to her and she immediately jumps up and runs off back into the battle. I'm willing to believe it's just bad direction, but that scene makes me feel things I haven't felt since Affleck's introduction in Mallrats.
MadamBeramode ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:01:01 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Having seen her acting prior to Star Wars in films like Leon: The Professional and Everyone Says I Love you, I must admit that while she isn't the seasoned professional that she is now, Attack of the Clones was extremely bad. I would say its actually worse than Phantom Menace, but not by much. Perhaps if she was the only bad actor in the trilogy, but everyone was made to look bad due to the trilogy's writing and direction.
LDM123 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:02:15 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
As someone who's seen little to none of the clone wars, ELI5?
MadamBeramode ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:14:34 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The Clone Wars is an animated tv series/movie that takes place during Episodes 2 and 3 of the prequel trilogy. It is 6 seasons and a movie (Hey a Community reference!) that tells several major story arcs that go into great detail about the universe's lore, The Clone Wars itself, and gives great reasons for the set up and events that take place in Episode 3. Episode 3 alone feels a bit hollow and disjointed; The Clone Wars goes a long way to making fans appreciate episode 3 a lot more as it shows the little steps that bridge the gap between episode 2 and 3.
It also fleshes out many characters seen on screen for only a brief moment such as Aalya Secura, Ki-Adi Mundi, Plo Koon, Count Dooku, General Grievous, and more. It also goes on to explain Palpatine's Sith prowess and how he was able to stay hidden while literally surrounded by Jedi. It also shows Anakin's descent into the dark side with little steps, rather than the gigantic leap and face heel turn he did between episodes 2 and 3.
It also introduces several new, official Disney canon, characters such as the amazing Ahsoka Tano, Cad Bane, and many more. It also even pulls characters from the original trilogy like Bossk and Dengar.
Watch The Clone Wars animated series (2008-2014) and Star Wars Rebels; they are the closest media you'll get to official Disney canon outside of books/comics.
mtschatten ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:23:00 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Roger Roger
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:18:54 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I tried to watch the cartoon just because so many people have such high praise for it.
Can't do it. Can't get near the prequels again. Just can't.
MadamBeramode ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:27:13 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Skip the movie and most of season 1 and 2. Only watch the required episodes from those two seasons (find what fans recommend). Watch season 3+, those episodes are astounding (with the exception of a few that you can skip).
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:40:31 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Couldn't agree more, the characters in Clone Wars had so much more depth than they had on film. Dooku was terrifying, Anakin was a total badass, even Jar Jar was less annoying and even charming at times. Every SW fan should watch this series.
MadamBeramode ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:36:27 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The Mace Windu + Jar Jar episodes were actually quite good since they paired off the comedic Jar Jar with the super serious Windu. It had a great buddy cop dynamic.
lordjuicy ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:56:53 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't get why everyone loves the cartoon show so much. Don't get me wrong, I like it, but I don't think it's as good as the movies. I think the writing is really cheesy and the voice acting isn't anything special. Having said that, I'm only 5 episodes in so it could get better
MadamBeramode ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 19:59:51 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Season 1 and 2 is definitely made for children and the movie is complete garbage. You can honestly skip a lot of episodes, but I'd look online for the episodes that are required viewing.
Season 3 and onward are amazing and demonstrate the shift from a kids' audience to a more mature one.
Schadenfreudenous ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 20:11:03 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Understand that the first two and a half seasons aren't amazing. The show gets WAY better after the half-way point, and some of the much later arcs are pretty damn dark, and would make good movies unto themselves (Carnage of Krell, The Wrong Jedi, and Order 66 specifically. All long 4-5 episode arcs).
lordjuicy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:22:00 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Damn, well thanks! Now I'm super pumped to start watching again. I've been on such a Star Wars kick since I saw TFA
Schadenfreudenous ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:49:37 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Also, watch it in chronological order. Some shit gets weird and out of place because the air dates of episodes are sort of messed up. Several awesome storylines will only make sense this way.
VioletCrow ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:14:36 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Oh man you are in for a treat....
desertravenwy ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 17:48:28 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So basically... if everything about him was different.
StezzerLolz ยท 27 points ยท Posted at 17:49:42 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's the same core concept; an anti-hero Sith struggling with the two sides of the force.
Obi-wan_Jabroni ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:40:00 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I like Anakin more than Kylo Ren at this point
Megmca ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 08:14:14 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I though Natalie Portman was a bad actress until I saw her later in V for Vendetta.
_TheBgrey ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:58:25 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hayden Christensen is a good actor, but the sand lines aren't his words, he just has to read them and with a director saying "you don't like sand" as his guidance. He did the best with what he had available
Pipthepirate ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:52:01 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He is pretty cool in the cartoons
M-Thing ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:57:59 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And directed by a director who could direct his actors
CarderSC2 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:11:43 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The hate for Hayden Christensen in the prequels is misplaced IMO. Christensen filmed one of my favorite movies between Episode II and III, called Shattered Glass. In it, he portrays a character in similar tone to Anakin. He plays Stephen Glass, a young writer who fabricated most of his articles over several years. (a true story) His web of lies start to fall apart in front of his editor. (the movie also features a breakout performance from Peter Sarsgaard.) Anyway, we know he's got the acting chops to play a role like Anakin, because he absolutely nails it in Shattered Glass. It was the terrible dialogue and directing that ruined the role.
callmecyke ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:33:34 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Actors like Liam Neeson, Natalie Portman, Samuel L Jackson, and Ewan McGregor were shit with Lucas' dialogue but for some reason people call Christansen a bad actor. It wasn't the actor.
standupstanddown ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:01:14 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's weird to me that you think that, because I felt Kylo Ren's motivation was far worse than Skywalker.
StezzerLolz ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:01:09 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Motivation? Arguably. But as a character, he is much more convincing. He legitimately comes across as conflicted, self-destructive, and with very poor impulse control, rather than as a wooden cut-out.
Indecisive_Bastard ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:28:21 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hayden Christiansen is actually a pretty good actor. But go ahead and ride the dick of the circlejerk.
StezzerLolz ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 00:30:00 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
...Have you bothered to look at the responses to this post? If one of us is 'riding the dick of the circlejerk', as you put it, then it certainly isn't me.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:56:18 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hayden Christensen is not a bad actor.
JustDandy07 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:30:16 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He did the best he could under horrible circumstances. I don't blame anyone in that movie for their bad acting.
crashing_this_thread ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:30:44 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He wasn't that bad.
spaceman_spiffy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:58:02 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Some one mentioned that if you watch some of the behind the scenes stuff you can see Hayden deliver the lines a lot better then Lucas cuts in an corrects him and tells him to do it again.
fu11m3ta1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:37:44 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I always felt like his lines and the way he spoke made him seem hardcore mentally ill. It made more sense to me that way in the context of his problems.
Sandy_Emm ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:34:06 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The same thing happened to everyone in twilight. They're all decent enough actors. Especially Kristen Stewart. She's cursed with people actually thinking she's a bad actress because she was in a poorly written movie based off a poorly written book by a terrible book writer. Kristen Stewart played Bella so well, people actually think she's bad at her job.
EwanMe ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:25:01 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Kylo Ren was just as much of a whiner as Anakin. It baffles me that nobody cares about Ben Solo being a bitch when you never hear the end of it with Anakin. Episode VII's plot was just a copy of Ep. IV, but the movie itself is nothing. Ep. VII did so many cheesy references to the OT that without the OT it doesn't make any sense. Newsflash: Episode VII was the cashgrab of the decade and nobody cares 'cause now JJ Abrams has licked the asses of all those neckbeards on the internet that hates the prequels for no other reason than to hate it. Now they got themselves a couple of hours of Star Wars re-run that looks more like a Michael Bay film. And the worst thing is that everybody is now praising the little crybaby called Ben Solo as if there is much of a difference between him and the PT's Anakin. The hypocrisy is strong in this one.
[deleted] ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 23:58:55 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
can someone explain this to me? who is sand?
ReservoirGods ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 20:07:26 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't know if they grade it but....coarse
FLAMBOYANTORUM ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 23:50:09 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
To this day I still have no idea why everyone hates that line so much. I don't see what's so bad about it. Something like "From my point of view the Jedi are evil!" is far far worse.
Hitlers_Gas_Bill ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 00:04:06 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't like sand. So course, and rough, and irritating, and it gets everywhere.
-eDgAR- ยท 1750 points ยท Posted at 18:01:06 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Randall from Recess.
Also not sure if this counts, but Randy on That 70's Show.
[deleted] ยท 518 points ยท Posted at 20:08:12 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
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MajorNoodles ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 00:09:44 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I thought he grew up and got his ass kicked by a 'roid raging Rick and Summer.
[deleted] ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 00:45:58 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I thought I was the only one who noticed that! That was so weird!!
TheMellowestyellow ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 05:26:01 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Then he became a bartender.
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 21:52:14 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
A lonely, lonely bartender.
littlewildone92 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 09:19:48 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Holy shit. That's legit.
fear_of_birds ยท 1339 points ยท Posted at 19:34:44 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I thought Randall was a great character for teaching kids the important lesson that nobody likes a fuckin' snitch.
montypissthon ยท 69 points ยท Posted at 20:43:41 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Randall taught me that snitches need stiches cause fuck that kid yo. #setdantefreethatniggainnocent
lemlemons ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 21:36:45 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Randall taught me that snitches need stitches cause i want to slit his fucking throat.
imbatmawn ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 04:05:20 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Randall taught me that I will be disliked for not conforming and trying to act responsible, but it will be interpreted as being a snitch.
However, Randall's character taught me that he wasn't reporting things because they were wrong, but because he liked the power that came with getting others in trouble.
Jerlko ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 22:14:21 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
THAT'S THAT SHIT I DON'T LIKE
Zebradamus ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 10:53:48 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
bang bang
smilbandit ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:23:36 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
would have been nice if he always had a few stiches on his face in different locations each episode.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 12:01:20 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's cause everyone hates him
Fiddydollaz ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:40:33 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
True, aside from my dad, I learned that lesson from this show.
Pandaswizzle ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:47:42 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Snitches get stitches
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:53:08 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Stop snitchin', muthafucka! It's never too early to teach our kids our country's no snitching policy.
relevantusername- ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:12:04 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Who's country are you referring to? This show was worldwide man. I'm Irish and that kid was vile.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:06:28 on January 4, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's a quote from John Mulaney's comedy special.
relevantusername- ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:18:01 on January 4, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Now him, I haven't heard of.
[deleted] ยท 267 points ยท Posted at 19:00:55 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Miss Finster! Miss Finster!
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:38:37 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
How deliciously moist.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 07:07:25 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Supple.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:34:36 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
schlick
Pattywackyboy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:27:27 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Shut up you little wart!
[deleted] ยท 473 points ยท Posted at 20:04:09 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's just a picture of a young Moe Szyslak
Anmar7779 ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 23:10:19 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My god! It all makes sense now!!
joesap9 ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 23:50:06 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It was immigants, I knew it was dem, even when it was the bears I knew it was dem
shivvvy ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 01:07:16 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Let bears pay the bear tax! I pay the Homer tax!
[deleted] ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 20:45:31 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
FUCK randy from that 70s show. He was just a really shitty replacement for Eric. Like a really really shitty one.
Algaroth ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:17:01 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I have no recollection at all of his character. Googled him and still don't remember him. I can't remember anything more than Eric being in Africa or something. The rest is just blank. I assume I have some selective trauma related amnesia but I'll chalk that up to my brain having my best interest in mind.
Forever_Awkward ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:58:15 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You should watch it again just to be sure you don't remember it.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:09:13 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah he had the worst cheesy jokes, his chemistry with the others didn't fit because they were so used to acting and he was a little off beat. It would have been sort of ok in the first season but adding an actor with a small cast who is so in sync in the last fucking season was such a stupid move. Also he was just a really bad character and even in the first season he would have felt hokey and generic.
[deleted] ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 20:52:50 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I personally didn't hate any character from Recess, except that asshole undercover agent, and even then, I just blamed the kids for not recognising a grown ass man was concealing himself as a 10 year old and they didn't even realize.
EsQuiteMexican ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:15:55 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
to be fair, I still don't buy that the guy who plays the Flash is an adult, so there's a chance he was a babyface too.
Richard_MF_Nixon ยท 35 points ยท Posted at 19:50:57 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'll take it. Fuck Randy.
persephonethedamned ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:46:18 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He was too charismatic... Like, way too charismatic.
Robster101 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 19:13:52 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Fuckin Kramer lookin snitchin ass bitch
Baykey123 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 23:24:15 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"Great job Randal, here's a cookie"
iamdavid2 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:02:18 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
RAANNDYY!
Redxman30 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:47:53 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Fucking hell. You don't know the kind of shit I still get and got growing up with sharing that name. Not to mention Monster's Inc didn't help my case.
thecheekyvicar ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:31:11 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Randall grew up to be a successful Monster Scarer in Monsters Inc. Feel old yet?
shitbadger ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:05:38 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah I hated Randy , that's Eric's girl you bastard ! ahaha
Cupybora ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:58:46 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My flatmates had that 70s show playing in the background from start to finish a lot of the time a few weeks ago, and we'd all just walk in when someone had pressed play on netflix and watch some of it.
In the last season everyone who came in and saw Randy said "who the fuck is that?" and to this day none of us have any idea where he came from or why.
Furoan ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 01:35:20 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
I didn't mind Randall. Yeah he was a snitch but he had some fun episodes dedicated to himself, like the time he tried the blackmail the gang into pretending to be his friends when his father was coming to school (the father was just like he was, and was weirded out by his son having friends).
There were a few hateable characters in Recess but Randal was so non personal with his 'evil' its hard to actually hate him. Yeah he wants to screw you over but its not PERSONAL.
Some of the stunts the Ashley's pulled probably fit better. The Rating Game in particular. Though as somebody said the undercover adult agent, aht new principle, the guy that wanted to bring in a new ice age to raise test scores. All the really detestable characters were adults.
CosmicAnus ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:57:40 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Fuck both Randys
lovemonkeyz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:47:04 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ran-ran-bobandy.
Obanon ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:43:01 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He was just no Eric
Duckbilling ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:47:47 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Randall liked to talk, so we had the diggers get busy. The diggers are not people you want to be in debt to
The_Mighty_Rex ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:02:42 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Fuck Randy they needed to cancel the show instead of trying to replace Eric and fuck every other character in the process
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:49:38 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think Randy actually answers what OP was asking more than Randall
KamikazePlatypus ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:03:00 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
REPORTED!
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:40:41 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That little bitch taught me to hate the word "moist"
HarveyTardy ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:45:30 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah Randy felt like "new Eric" in my mind and he just never seemed to fit.
Tharage53 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:28:28 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Fuck randy
Sharkn91 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:21:48 on January 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"We're all alright! We're all alright...
Except you randy. and your stupid hair flip. fuck outta my basement"
TheTriMara ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:27:29 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
His redemption episode is wonderful. Seriously go check it out.
rasonj ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:09:07 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
People always ask me why I don't go by my real name, Randall. I always just show them a clip of that mother fucker right there.
tomtom615 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:36:14 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Watch the Clerks movies. Randall is easily the best.
RRettig ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:10:50 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Why do the bad guys/ hated guys always have my name? Think Randal from monsters inc. There is even a gay guy in futurama named randy. Also Austin powers ruined it. To this day people still ask if they make me randy. Oh that is the first time I ever heard that.
Grandmaofhurt ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:53:05 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That little tattle tale bitch
ThexJwubbz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:09:54 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Randall Biggest Jew:
http://youtu.be/SIyOhpKFdCw
Shrinky-Dinks ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:18:21 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I forgot how much of a fucker that guy was!
ringo_pentagram ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:35:35 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He the Alpha Snitch.
benben11d12 ยท -6 points ยท Posted at 21:41:02 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Recess isn't a part of nerd culture. Neither is That 70s Show
[deleted] ยท 2892 points ยท Posted at 17:50:13 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Lori and Andrea on The Walking Dead. I would go into instant rage whenever they came on screen.
Foamie ยท 308 points ยท Posted at 19:40:50 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I hated Andrea in the show. Every decision she makes is a stupid decision. In particular the episode where she shoots Daryl after being told by literally every person on the farm to not do anything is so infuriating.
Endyo ยท 25 points ยท Posted at 03:03:22 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah even if you take away the perspective of the viewer knowing the truth about everything, her decisions are still extremely poor. Then she dies after spending an hour plus trying to monkey foot a pair of pliers or whatever. It's like they wrote that character just to make no sense and frustrate the viewer.
faerieswing ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 03:36:43 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Goddammit, that pliers scene...
[deleted] ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 05:54:27 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I quit watching TWD after that scene. It made me so fucking mad, it completely killed my interest in the entire series. None of the characters are worth a damn besides Darrell. They're all whiny, useless pussies that should have died on day one of the zombie apocalypse. TWD is just a soap opera with zombies.
Jerbattimus ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 06:56:19 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That was a low point for the series but it definitely picked up after that. Once they finish the Governor story arc, it finally turned into a good show.
Endyo ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 13:13:20 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They dragged that out about 200% more than they needed to. The Governor was a good character and played well, but it did not need to be nearly a season and a half of his antics.
Jerbattimus ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 13:18:30 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Agreed. That's why the show got good once they finally put that whole Governor-Woodbury stuff to bed.
F4rewell ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:38:37 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Is is a drama series after all. It was never advertised as something else.
HellonStilts ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 12:47:24 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
I actually hated Michonne in that plotline. There's literally no indication that anything's wrong - the only reason we know is because it's a zombie show - and yet she immediately knows there's something evil afoot, for no reason, always giving that stupid anime scowl. At least give us some indication of what's making her suspect shit.
Endyo ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 13:05:46 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
In general, everything about the Governor was handled better in the comic. I think they just found a good actor to play him and wanted to milk the sweet bejesus out of it by writing in a whole convoluted plotline. The comic even used the whole thing to get rid of the baby that is now just this thing they have to throw in every so often. Even as it so clearly illustrates how Carl has aged six years while the baby has only made it six months.
For all the show does right, the poor writing of the third season still haunts the show.
theoreticaldickjokes ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:55:41 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What? Initially, they made them stay. They couldn't leave. And they took their weapons.
Then she found his zombie daughter.
I wouldn't take any of his shit at face value.
blazarquasar ยท 40 points ยท Posted at 21:25:38 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And in her last episode she's like, "I just didn't want anyone to die.."
Look around, Andrea! People are going to die no matter what, you stupid bitch!
aZombieSlayer ยท 36 points ยท Posted at 00:44:08 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
She had the chance to end the war with the Governor and she gave that up for the D..
GuyInADogSuit ยท 31 points ยท Posted at 00:52:00 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The part with Beth trying to commit suicide pissed me off the most. Andrea says stuff like "We have to let her decide for herself if she wants to live or not, like I did!" It's like what are you talking about?Bitch, you chose to die! If it wasn't for Dale forcing you to leave the exploding CDC building, you'd be dead right now! You were even pissed off at dale for forcing you to live for like 2 episodes before you decided living was alright. Still pisses me off to think about to this day.
omnamename ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 03:44:21 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's the point, though. She didn't have a choice, so she gave Beth the right to have a choice. Still, fuck Andrea, she's horrible.
ingridelena ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 01:11:10 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
She didnt say "like I did".
theoreticaldickjokes ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:53:29 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's actually more like, "like I didn't." Because that was the point.
faithfulpuppy ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:31:58 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I just got to season three and this so far is the most infuriating part
Robobvious ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:50:15 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Dang, I had to look this up on youtube because it's been so long I forgot all about it. Now I kinda want to watch it all again and see what else I forgot, but at the same time I also don't really want to have to deal with all that Lori and Andrea in the first few seasons...
WhitePaladinShield ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 11:11:52 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
In the show's context though they were all being kind of dumb for not letting her have some target practice. Just because the viewer knows he wasn't a zombie, doesn't mean the characters do.
I think the main issue is that TWD is just a shittily written show alltogether.
ShelSilverstain ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:20:08 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
She'd do whatever she wanted, trying to be a bad ass and prove she was as good as a man. I blame the writers for not making her an actual bad ass
ChaoticLint ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:53:46 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Can confirm; Just watched that episode for the first time yesterday.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:41:16 on January 7, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Exactly. She chooses to ignore all the warnings from Michonne like the fucking idiot she is and decides to stay in the town of the governor which eventually leads to her death. What annoyed me more is how much screen time they decided to give her rather than the character's annoyingness itself. Also this is the first time I've come across someone who dislikes Andrea as much as I do.
bobapanda ยท 1004 points ยท Posted at 18:31:59 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Andrea is entirely different in the comics, though. Can't say the same for Lori.
gigglefarting ยท 838 points ยท Posted at 19:51:05 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Comic Andrea is more like tv Carol, and comic Carol was a dumb bitch.
dmkicksballs13 ยท 146 points ยท Posted at 20:11:59 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I liked comic Carol. Imagine you are in the apocalypse and the only thing holding it together is your love of another person. Then that guys cheats on you.
Qwertdd ยท 29 points ยท Posted at 23:09:12 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I reread TWD a little while ago. The best part? Knowing what happens so I can skip any page that had Carol speaking in it.
Fuck comic Carol.
AndyDuhAwesome ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 01:26:25 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
She fucking killed herself because she was insecure about herself and left her child behind as an orphan that the group had to take care of.
DriveByStoning ยท 52 points ยท Posted at 21:32:18 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Then you try and fuck everyone, no one wants you so you walk into a zombie on purpose. Good riddance.
Edit: should also mention she orphaned her daughter by doing that. Sophia isn't dead in the books. Fuck Carol. Weak ass ho.
Bloody_Hangnail ยท 24 points ยท Posted at 23:48:22 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Good thing the zombie apocalypse never happened when I was in high school
kank84 ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 04:01:35 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Sophia is better off with Maggie anyway
6th_Samurai ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 23:38:13 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I disagree, fuck comic Carol. She needed to die sooner.
morbidbunny3 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:53:59 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Wasn't he also an abusive husband? It's been years since I've read them, but I remember hating Carol a lot.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 07:27:50 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
nope, you're confusing him with her husband in the show. Also, IIRC, the guy in the comic wasn't her husband.
morbidbunny3 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:39:31 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Am I thinking of someone else then? I specifically remember two little boys. Maybe they were someone else's sons. I really should reread them.
thumpx ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 20:20:10 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The comics are awesome. I really wish they stayed a little more true to them in the TV show.
My-Names-Jeff ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:18:29 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think the issue is Darabont casted his friends instead of looking for the right actors to fit the characters. After AMC kicked Darabont they had to work with what they had.
IDoNotHaveTits ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:54:17 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's all I could think during the comics, it's like the TV show reversed their roles.
[deleted] ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 20:42:42 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I do not like tv Carol. Something about her bothers me
cgome1 ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 22:04:08 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Going to be vague because I can't spoiler tag on mobile:
After she killed that one sick person she changed (or at least you notice that she changed) and then again when she killed the psycho person. I like her because she's badass, but she's.... Cold? I'm not sure what the right description is, but it makes her a little less likeable when she's like that.
uronlisunshyne ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 00:30:01 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
See I like the fact she is cold. To me it shows how she is adapting to the new world. She still has love in her, she just knows that this world is unforgiving. She plays the game because the game has changed. She does what has to be done without question.
The only thing I didn't like was that she was mean to that little boy. I was kind of hoping she would have her "motherly love" come back a little to show that she still is a loving person deep down.
theoreticaldickjokes ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:00:16 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I liked it. Carol is ruthless.
CaptainKate757 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 03:38:39 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I love Carol because she's cold. She and Rick are some of the only characters who consistently hold it together and make the hard decisions. Everyone else makes the same fucking mistakes over and over again. "Are you suuuure we have to kill this guy? I know last time we let someone go they came back and killed half the group, but maybe this time will be different!" It's never different!
Rick is the decision-maker of the group, and Carol is the enforcer. She doesn't fuck around and I love that. One of the most recent episodes pissed me off when (and I'll be vague as well so as not to spoil anything) Mr. "I can't kill" took it upon himself to go behind everyone's back, and now look what happened.
Anyways, Carol's a boss.
theoreticaldickjokes ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:03:13 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If you're talking about who I think you are, I hope he dies.
CaptainKate757 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:56:14 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ugh, same. I used to like his character quite a bit, too. If he ended up becoming that character again, I would want him to stay alive.
theoreticaldickjokes ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:09:52 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Wait, who are you talking about? I'm talking about the cowardly dipshit that's good for nothing except his incorrect sense of moral superiority.
CaptainKate757 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:19:17 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ahh, I'm not talking about the pastor, if that's what you mean. Hell I'll just say it, I'm talking about Morgan.
theoreticaldickjokes ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:25:17 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Oh. I haven't finished the second half of the season. No worries. I'm sure I'll hate him soon.
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 22:28:48 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They gave her no remorse and that feels a bit psychopathy. I mean she killed a little girl ffs
The_Gecko ยท 28 points ยท Posted at 22:41:50 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
To be fair she was really cut up about that. But what else could she do? That kid was going to kill the baby.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 22:52:42 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Was she cut up about it? It's been a long time since I watched. That's good I guess
recon_ninja ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 22:59:07 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
There's a whole scene between her and Tyrese discussing whether to split up, Carol going off with Lizzie while Ty takes baby Judith. Then they decide the best course of action for all is to take the little girl that doesn't understand the concept of death or zombification, out of the equation.
FizzyDragon ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:06:21 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I dunno if you read the comics but that reminds me of a (vaguely) similar scene involving Carl and another child.
recon_ninja ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:17:10 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I am up to date with the comic, and I hope Carl gets the development moment he needs in the next episode.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:36:16 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, the scene where Carl kills Ben. They adapted it into the show but made a bunch of changes.
The_Gecko ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:01:33 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
She was.
krokenlochen ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 22:49:17 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Carol still has some morals but is far more cold and calculating. She only saw the girl as a risk/liability after the emotional attachment. The governor on the other hand....
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 22:53:08 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not saying she doesn't have morals, just that she has no problem choosing between two evils haha
IrishLaaaaaaaaad ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 02:18:27 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Um, no. She just didn't wake up and murder a little girl. The little girl in question (Lizzie) killed her little sister (Mika) and planned to kill the baby too (Judith). Carol discussed what to do with Tyreese and they both came to the conclusion that Lizzie can't be in this world, and Carol executed her.
Carol was fucking distraught after this, Tyreese too, and both went separate directions mentally. Carol distanced herself from children and isn't afraid to kill to keep her 'family' safe. Tyreese couldn't bear to kill again and even zoned out at the picture of the two twin brothers.
I got a bit carried away but, yeah. The episode you mentioned is one of my favourites.
ShwayNorris ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 23:26:58 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah but in all fairness, that kid really needed to die. Having never taken a life I can't draw from experience, but I don't think I would be that bothered (in that situation) taking out someone so obviously disturbed, child or not.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:29:42 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think you would, unless you're mentally disturbed. Killing a person takes a toll, especially a kid.
ShwayNorris ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:38:43 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
oh yeah I'm not saying it wouldn't effect me at all, just much less then if she were healthy happy stable child and it wasn't the Zombie Apocalypse. I honestly would have done something long before Carol did.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:37:19 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
colds a good word. shes just so sketchy that i kind of like her character. she currently seems like she has the ability to do damn near anything if it helps her with her ideas, no mater how dark they may be.
Tartra ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 00:29:01 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well, that's where they're delving into on the show now. The Carol versus Morgan shenanigans is 'Survival at all costs' against 'Mercy and morality'. With the break ended, the meeting of those two extremes is either going to get one of them killed (there's a teeny chance the writers don't know what else to do with Carol and decide to clip her off in a huge, dramatic death while she's still popular) or force both of them to meet in the middle.
That coldness is coming in for a thaw.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:03:28 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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roastedbagel ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:34:24 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You need to tag spoilers dude. Removed.
MadeSomewhereElse ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:52:11 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
pretty much sums it up.
Villyer ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:30:22 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Idk, I see a lot of comic Carl in tv Carol
ocathasaigh ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:03:14 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
TV carol is the shit
JimmyBroole ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:05:19 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Comic Andrea is basically a sexy war-machine.
And both her and Carol made a hundred times more sense in the comic than the walking mental handicap and the pseudo-lesbian non-character the show came up with.
Endyo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:58:45 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Comic Carol was dead practically as soon as she started having things to say.
Themadtitanthanos ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:17:26 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Still mad what they did to Andrea. I'm glad they did that with Carol. Her scenes were just a terrible waste of time.
GotACoolName ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:22:46 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Comic Carol really wasn't bad. She was hardcore into stereotypical suburban mom hobbies like book clubs and knitting but she was very open and understanding and had a progressive view of relationships. But, ultimately, she chose to commit suicide because she had low self-esteem and couldn't handle the loneliness.
Seems-Reasonable ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:17:57 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Every female character, in both the show and the comic, are fucking horrible.
Kayin_Angel ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:19:29 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They clearly dropped the ball on Andrea so they worked to make Carol the new Andrea. I'm ok with it.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:38:17 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Sorry to correct you but this isn't accurate. Sasha is the direct analog to comic Andrea. (lots and lots of spoilers ahead for the uninitiated.)
In the comic Andrea and Dale are a couple. Dale gets bitten and doesn't tell anyone and then gets accosted by the cannibals after the events of the prison (the cannibals are identical to the Terminus folks but they weren't a sedentary community in the comics if memory serves). Bob in this case filled in for Dale, and just like Dale in the comic, Bob becomes romantically involved with Sasha, gets bitten and loses a leg to the cannibals. An episode or two later they develop Sasha into the sharpshooter of the group and she eventually becomes the lookout for Alexandria, just as Andrea did in the comics.
There might be minor differences of course, as the show's writers are mixing and diverging characters from the comic, but these major plot points pretty much correspond between Andrea and Sasha evenly.
CaptainTeemers ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:16:06 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not true. Comic Andrea runs a near exact parallel with Sasha in the show. I feel as if the show writers realized that the hole they left with how poorly they wrote Andrea forced them into creating this Comic Andrea like character in Sasha, even down to the events with Bob.
FiveVidiots ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:21:55 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, the whole "I'm gonna go hug this walker we captured because it obviously wants to be my friend!" thing was bonkers. Comic Carol was retarded.
blaghart ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 20:27:04 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Oh is that how you spell his name? I thought Rick pronounced it that way because he was played by an englishman trying to do a bad southern accent...
Phreetoez ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:52:39 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What?
acatmaylook ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:07:50 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think they're making a Carl/Carol joke
daniellkemp ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 00:16:08 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Cheryl*
TheHidestHighed ยท 117 points ยท Posted at 19:48:52 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Nah, even Lori is better in the comics, not much different, but better. She calls Rick on his shit when it's necessary rather than just "ooooh noooooo, I just got you back, don't go get those things that we really need, I don't care if you're the best suited person for it, booooo hoooooo".
Wild_Marker ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 22:30:40 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Plus her death in the comics is amazing. One of the shockiest moments in the series.
TheHidestHighed ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 22:56:32 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Legit, that shit wrecked me when I reached the end of the first compendium.
Fuzzymuscles ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 23:34:31 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
At least in the show she thought Rick was dead before sleeping with his best friend.
toughinitout ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 06:34:51 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Oh shit, I should probably read the comics. Honestly, I don't get all the hate for Lori though. The again, I might just like her because I think of her as Sarah Tancredi.
Fuzzymuscles ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:43:37 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's an awesome read. I definitely recommend it. I have a link I have saved at work so I can keep up with them online. It's cool to watch the differences between the show and the comic and make predictions of what's happening next. For instance: a great many of us nerds got very excited when Negan was mentioned in the most recent episode.
toughinitout ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:39:24 on January 4, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I have seen everyrhing that's available on Netflix and a few more episodes. Tormenting is too much a of a hassle, so I'll just wait.
Fuzzymuscles ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:28:59 on January 4, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's more than that, though. It's like watching the people your know go in completely different directions and end up with similar endings. Some characters you know survive died, and many you saw die are still up and around even years later. In fact, the comics are literally years beyond the show but because of how they handle things it doesn't feel like a spoiler for the show.
Oh, and some characters are so much more likable, like Andrea for instance.
Robobvious ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 05:44:37 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Whereas show Lori is like "Do it Rick, kill him!" and then when he does she's all "What?! Omg why would you do that? What is wrong with you?"
Trillen ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:49:52 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Andrea was a boss in the comics
jdr393 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:25:23 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
*is
Trillen ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:31:55 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I just said was because I've stopped reading the comics. Didn't mean to give out apparent spoilers
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:58:03 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Comic Lori was a lot better than show Lori. When she does in the comic it hurt. I felt like I got shot in the stomach while carrying my infant child in front of me. I was happy when show Lori died.
GayleForceWinds ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 08:51:53 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This is why I have a hard time watching the show. Comic Andrea is a stone cold badass and one of my favorite characters. Also we missed out on Michonne scooping out the Governor's eye with a spoon.
strangea ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 11:28:51 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Comic Andrea is a bad bitch for sure.
eadjungle ยท 223 points ยท Posted at 18:26:32 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think Andrea won some people back. Lori though...she was the worst.
underworldambassador ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 20:33:58 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Andrea should have died in the first season in that sciency place I don't remember what was
Don't know what the writers were thinking.
aZombieSlayer ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 00:41:13 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The CDC
PhoenixWRX ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 01:20:26 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The CDC. Its a real place and holds a lot of crazy chemicals in it. If that place were to blow up the entire planet might die.
Iamthebatman99 ยท 55 points ยท Posted at 18:38:00 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I went back to re-watch the seasons with my girlfriend and just finished season 2 last night. I 100% agree with your statement. Every time they come on screen I get so angry. Their faces are so stupid looking!
Akrimboget ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:08:13 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I was pretty happy with what happened to Dale.
stfu_whale ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:18:40 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Their stupid faces and characters were part of the reason I stopped watching that show!
GreeenAndSubmarine ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 18:36:07 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Why does everyone hate Lori?
HailSithisMeh ยท 113 points ยท Posted at 18:47:12 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My reason for hating her is she is selfish and only cares for herself. She needed to be the alpha female and achieved this rank by sleeping with the person who had the utmost authority in the group (Shane and then Rick). She was a terrible mother and a hypocrite constantly going on about how she wanted a better world for her son and yet constantly lost Carl or placed him with someone else. In addition to this she refused to accept the new terms of the world which are, something or someone will try to fucking kill you, so you need to learn how to defend yourself. I could go on and on but I am on mobile. Tldr Lori is a selfish bitch.
TheSalmonBeast ยท 47 points ยท Posted at 19:31:02 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Her only character trait was to do the most selfish thing, which would inevitably screw everyone (but especially Rick). She didn't do a single thing to benefit the group.
HailSithisMeh ยท 34 points ยท Posted at 19:34:37 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Exactly. She was only out for herself and consistently without fail fucked everything up. I cannot recall a single scene where she did anything beneficial for the group. I mean for fucks sake it's the zombie apocalypse, your think that learning how to properly handle and discharge a firearm be one of the things you learn. But no by all means, let's stick to 1950's gender roles and have the men provide the protection... God I hate that woman.
mercapdino ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 20:27:55 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
She figured out that beth was trying to kill herself. She took a knife from her and then looked for her in her bathroom.
HailSithisMeh ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 20:47:44 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Fair enough. Sorry it's been awhile since I've seen season 2.
Albert_Spangler ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 00:07:17 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Thank heavens she saved her though. I couldn't have survived with out the singing and the WHAT HAPPENED TO BETH!?!?!?!?!? episodes. I know she did have her good points, the world needs optimists, but she seemed like she was added so she could be (spoiler alert) killed off in a not that meaningful way.
sothatshowyougetants ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:14:50 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
She slept with the only person in the group that she knew and trusted.
HailSithisMeh ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:18:14 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I could spin everything I said previous to justify her decisions. I'm just saying the main reason I hate her is because she clings to the rules of the old world. Call it maintaining your humanity or whatever you want, but if Carl didn't know how to shoot then he would have been dead 100 times over.
psych0fish ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 18:49:58 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If you search this sub for hated character threads you can get an idea.
Example: https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/13rcho/skyler_white_from_breaking_bad_is_in_my_opinion/c76glm7
[deleted] ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 19:28:29 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
She puts Shane and Rick at odds, the only dudes who are trained with weapons and truly capable of protecting the group when there is a fucking apocolypse going on (at least in the first two seasons); She was weak and needy, and her only motives were for helping herself (ex. asking Glenn to risk his ass to get pregnancy vitamins, when she really needed to get an abortion for the betterment of the whole group); She couldnt fight worth a damn, and really had zero useful skills to contribute to the group; She was a terrible mom, constantly losing Carl or letting him wander off somewhere dangerous. She puts extra stress on Rick by making him feel guilty when he makes decisions for the good of the group when she doesnt agree with it. Oh man, I would have thrown her to the walkers if I was in the group. Thin the herd.
Damn_Dog_Inappropes ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 20:24:46 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Nope, Shane put Shane and Rick at odds. All Lori wanted was to stop fucking Shane.
Atrius ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 21:23:41 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Shane became a part of the family when Rick was gone. When they found out he was alive, Lori basically ostracized Shane and said stuff like "Don't you come near my son.
It's understandable that she wanted to go back to Rick but she acted like Shane was completely dead to her.
Damn_Dog_Inappropes ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 22:34:53 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Even if she did that, that's not her putting Shane at odds with Rick.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:57:26 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
There was a conversation between Lori and Shane leading up to the fight, were Lori talked about missing their relationship a little bit, which Shane interpreted as getting ride of Rick would get them back together
If it wasn't intentional (maybe wanted one gone to make the baby situation simple), then it was jut plain stupid.
Damn_Dog_Inappropes ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:40:19 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Nope, that was Lori attempting to bury the hatchet after Dale died. The theme of Rick's eulogy speech was essentially, "We honor Dale by being united." Lori took that message to heart and went to Shane to try and make amends. It's not her fault Shane was fucking cuckoo by then and took that as, "I should totally kill Rick now."
MrsBasket ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 19:58:45 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
She asked Glen to get her abortion pills, and then she chickened out and threw them up after taking them.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 18:40:53 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
For me its because if she wasn't such a skanky whorebitch then Shane could've lived, if she had not been such a piece of shit to Shane then he wouldn't have gone crazy and been killed goddamn I hate you Lori
GreeenAndSubmarine ยท 49 points ยท Posted at 18:52:30 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ok, you can't blame her for Shane going crazy. You could see that he was obviously jealous when she went back to her husband (who wouldn't) and as Rick became a more trusted leader, Shane grew even more jealous and batshit. Lori didn't make him do what he did, it was all Shane.
dog_in_the_vent ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:02:47 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He didn't get jealous and batshit on his own. Lori fucked with him (literally).
[deleted] ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 19:21:12 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:00:30 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
But leading up to the fight she talked to Shane (one-on-one) about how she missed what they had, and some other stupid things or maybe it was intentional to have one eliminated with the baby coming.
dog_in_the_vent ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 19:25:34 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Husband might be dead for less than a month? Go ahead and fuck his best friend.
Yeah, no blame for her there.
Damn_Dog_Inappropes ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 20:24:14 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They both lost Rick, and they were both grieving. There's nothing wrong with seeking comfort in the arms of someone who kind of understands how you feel.
Mr_Subtlety ยท 33 points ยท Posted at 19:00:43 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
How exactly are we blaming Lori for Shane becoming an unreliable, murderous bastard? It's not like she was manipulating him, she just found our her husband was still alive and he couldn't deal with it. I don't see how that's her fault at all, he just turned out to be a jealous scumbag who couldn't deal with not getting his way.
Spacct ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 05:56:58 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Everyone blames Shane, but Lori deserves it as well. Who starts sleeping with their husband's best friend a month after he dies? Especially when there's a young kid to take care of? Hell, Rick has only started looking at another woman in the last season, and it's been over 2 years since Lori died.
Mr_Subtlety ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 08:26:11 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Why in the world is it her fault that after she believed her husband died, she took up with someone new? And how is it her fault that he turned into an asshole after she broke it off? That's ridiculous. You are seriously arguing that she is to blame for his behavior after she realized Rick was still alive and went back to him?
Spacct ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:09:04 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He's to blame for his behaviour, but she is 50% to blame for creating the situation to begin with.
How is it not her fault that she immediately began sleeping with someone else so soon after she believed her husband died? Do you really think a period of time less than the duration of an IV is appropriate or healthy for her, Shane, or Carl? A rational adult or anyone with any sense of attachment to their spouse to begin with would have waited longer and avoided the whole mess in the first place.
Mr_Subtlety ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:17:18 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
I tend to think "Zombie Apocalypse" is the sort of situation where the normal rules of etiquette get suspended. But even if it's not, that seems a weirdly puritanical thing to base a hatred of a character on. Shit, if she was banging Shane the day Rick went into the hospital, it's still not her fault that Shane became a murderous jealousy-fueled monster. Adults are allowed to have sex with each other. Sometimes, bizarre improbably circumstances mean one of them leaves the other. It's unfortunate, and hurt feelings are understandable, but murderous undermining is not. Shane is 100% to blame for his own despicable behavior, it's ridiculous to get mad at Lori for "creating the situation" which she couldn't possibly have predicted would turn out the way it did. Get mad at Shane all you want, but saddling Lori with his problems is totally unfair.
Now Andrea on the other hand...
Lozzif ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 01:17:39 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
She's a woman and he's a man. He can't be responsible for being a shitty human being. Blame the female!
5171 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 06:42:59 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No, Andrea didn't.
-shot Darryl because she was a dumbass and a bad shot
-got PMSy when her gun got taken away even though she didn't deserve to shoot it
-was clearly not fit to offer rational opinions to the group, yet always tried to seize charge
-joined the idiotic Dale faction of "let's give everyone a second chance even people that have tried to kill us multiple times"
-fell in love with one of the most patently evil characters in the book/series
-was too stupid to face what the Governor was even when being faced with the evidence
-tried to be in charge of stuff even though nobody likes her or cares about her opinions.
dantheman_woot ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 20:14:10 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
no way, Andrea will always be worse than Lori.
IrishLaaaaaaaaad ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:03:22 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Towards the end of s3 I became a fan of Andrea again. So yeah, she won some but not all of us back.
Agreed with Lori, fuck her through & through
Paddy_Tanninger ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:16:59 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
SHE DOESNT SWING HER ARMS WHEN SHE WALKS. THEY FLOP AROUND LIKE A MUPPET. NO.
ziipo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:34:16 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Nope. The writers tried really hard to redeem her and make her leaving the show (avoiding spoilers? Maybe? Not so much?) this tragic goodbye to a loved character.... I watched in a room full of people and we were all cheering and shouting FINALLY.
Hated Andrea so much worse than Lori.
The_Panty_Raid ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:33:01 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
At least Lori was written fairly well
Bean03 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:26:46 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
How could Andrea have won anyone back? Here decision making just got worse and worse right up until her death. Sleeping with the psychopath, waiting 15 minutes to start trying to escape her handcuffs...dumbest character ever.
fupa16 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:46:36 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Nope I was so happy when that bitch died. Never have to look at her ugly face again.
DragoneerFA ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:16:15 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Andrea won people back when she died. And even in her death she was still useless. Which is a shame. The character had so much potential, but she was just... useless.
Iamthesmartest ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:23:26 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I liked Andrea by the end. Lori was a dumbass.
richardmanjefferson ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:47:05 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Really? Why? I hated every second of Andrea and celebrated her death.
Edit: excuse me but her character was fucking awful and the show got better when she died
persephonethedamned ยท 22 points ยท Posted at 21:40:23 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Fuck Lori and her teenage drama bullshit during the fucking apocalypse like she matters more than the zombies.
[deleted] ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 19:19:51 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Lori was such a twat that I almost stopped watching in season 2.
DaveSW777 ยท 40 points ยท Posted at 19:21:13 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
As a fan of the comics, this is why wont watch the show. Andrea is fucking awesome in the comics, but they made her awful in the show.
In the comics, she's 10 years younger. She doesn't cry holding her sister's corpse for 8 hours, she shoots her sister in the head before she even dies. She picks up Rick's gun training faster than anyone else, eventually becoming the group's sniper. She survives an attack by serial murderer/rapist, leaving her with a wicked scar on her face. She's just really damn cool, without ever coming off as some kind of 'super hero' like Norman Reedus' original character Darryl Dixon does.
So yeah, I was out after the first season. I was appalled by what they did to Andrea.
DragoneerFA ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 20:20:11 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm okay with the show being different from the comics, and giving different personalities to the characters, but most of the characters just weren't good.
In the show, T-Dog replaced Tyreese, but even T-Dog didn't do anything of real note. He was just kind of there. And eventually, he was replaced by the actual Tyreese (who was more in tune with the comics).
DaveSW777 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:26:50 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yes. Different doesn't make something bad, but IMO, the different in the show was pretty bad.
DragoneerFA ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:29:08 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Too many of the changes were for the worse. Season 2 hurt the show more than helped, and the entire season could probably have been edited down to 3 or 4 episodes at most while getting the point across. It dragged things out, and dragged out bad characters even more.
Andrea though... she had every chance to fix things over and over but all she did was make every situation worse.
The_Messiah ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:27:54 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
/r/onetruedog
[deleted] ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 20:20:59 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Daryl is far from 1 dimensional. The only people who think that haven't watched the show and just want something to hate on
DaveSW777 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 20:24:48 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Since when are super heroes one dimensional? No, the problem is that he's just too good, like a super hero. He's a character doesn't fit in a survival story.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 20:55:44 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
How is a redneck a super hero? He was the most likely to be adaptable to a survival situation. Name one thing he does that makes him a super hero? Compared to rick or glen? Your completely wrong
BGYeti ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 22:24:41 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He stole my heart thats what he did.
grubas ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 04:36:21 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He's been abused by his family, abandoned by them, had to hunt, fight and steal just to survive since he was like 10. He is the best suited to survive because he never lived in a good world. The episode with him in the woods alone was a bit over the top though.
But his crossbow skills are a bit ridiculous, especially with him normally carrying like 2-4 arrows only at a point. And how it seems to never need a restring and he can beat zombies to death with it never sustaining a scratch. They gave him a quiver for a bit, but that disappeared, along with the scope he had.
CedarCabPark ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:51:48 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's a dumb reason to not watch the show, no offense. The show was iffy at first for a few seasons, but by season 5, it's some of the best TV out there. I've read the comics, but they don't trump the show in every way. Not at all. There are pros and cons to both.
Overall, the TV format gives characters far more time to develop. They fucked it up a lot, but after the current show runner took over (season 4 halfway), it's amazing.
cameronbates1 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 18:58:32 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Funny, as Andrea in the books is one of my favorite characters
dmkicksballs13 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:13:19 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Her character is night and day regarding TV Andrea and comic book Andrea.
MrTurtleWings ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 21:26:01 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think you mean /r/fucknicholas
ialo00130 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:25:26 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Are you caught up to the most recent episode?
MrTurtleWings ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:58:13 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I havent watched the mid-series finale but I know what happens. Doesn't fucking excuse the dick. He still did what he did.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:23:48 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Nicholas turned out pretty awesome though, I loved him as a character tbh. He was only shitty in like 3-4 episodes.
MrTurtleWings ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:59:26 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He was shitty the whole time. He didn't do anything right!
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:32:59 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
SPOILERS.
He changed a lot leading up to his demise. He knew and accepted Glenn was a better leader and was really thankful for his second(third?) chance. I didn't like him, but I loved his character. His last words "thank you" really meant something. He accepted his fate and took it graciously and that's the most important thing in a person on twd.
MrTurtleWings ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:10:43 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
SPOILERS
Yeah but he killed Noah (I think that was his name) and ALMOST killed Glenn....
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:56:33 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That was definitely his low point.
Wazula42 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 21:48:24 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Everyone in the Walking Dead is terrible. Yes, I realize the show is in a perpetual state of "It just got good, seriously!" Don't care. They're all insufferable morons who can't plant some fucking potatoes without the children getting lost.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 19:49:50 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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Dear_Occupant ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:00:57 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think we might be the only two members of the Andrea fan club. Everything she did with the Governor made perfect sense to me, and I was rooting for her all the way.
reekhadol ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:42:20 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hated her in prison break, hated her in TWD.
Hosni__Mubarak ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:07:41 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Lori is supposed to be a horrible person though
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:14:22 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Same goes for Coral/carl/whaterver in my opinion
MollyRocket ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:54:07 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
RIP Andrea's potential.
As a comics fan, watching her interpretation go through the mud was one of my least favorite things about the adaptation :(
therosesgrave ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:01:56 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And Carl. And Rick. And everyone who isn't Glenn and Maggie.
TeamRedundancyTeam ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:12:48 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Fucking hated Andrea long before I knew I wasn't the only one. She was always so negative, I'd never seen a more negative character (or real life person) in my life.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:41:01 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
At least the actress who plays Andrea is really pretty.
ShiftySauce ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:03:10 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Andrea was terrrrible.
fijifam ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:26:01 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I honestly never understood why everyone hates them so much. What's the deal?
Bigr789 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:37:11 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Please read the comics.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:56:28 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Andrea was bearable but I never liked her. Think it had a lot to do with the actress. Totally one-note and always wore a sour expression no matter what was actually happening. So, bearable, but not liked. Lori was just the worst. Added nothing of any value to the group. Just created conflict.
kjohnny789 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:19:28 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Andrea is the worst on TWD. She was suppose to be this strong independent type of woman. Then she failed at every "man job" in a stereotypical womanly fashion. Whats that Andrea, you think you can shoot a gun just as well as a man and your going to prove it to us by shooting at an object (Daryl) that you can't see? You're going to be strong, and kill this crazy governor and prevent all these death. Oh, you're too emotionally attached because of sex and will just stand by and let his murderous rampage go on. I was never so happy to see a character die.
Skayj2 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:41:47 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't understand everyone's beef with Lori. She wasn't that bad.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:42:16 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The only characters I can stand on that show are Michonne, Glenn, Maggie, and Darryl. The rest make me question why I still watch the damn show. Even Rick.
Sudden_Herpes ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:45:06 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Carl is definitely worse, he's never in the house
Baboobbutt ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:47:29 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I hated the governor more than Andrea, fucker wouldn't die.
thekyshu ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:53:37 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Those few Governor-only episodes in S4 were a pain, and so pointless at the end.
bassististist ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:48:28 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Zombie walking in the road? Better roll the car.
FrederikBolding ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:59:44 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The worst episode of television I have ever watched was the episode that only focused on Andrea.
yognautilus ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:03:37 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I didn't mind Lori so much but holy fuck Andrea. Practically every character who goofs on the show has some sort of redemption but by the time Andrea gets hers, she's done SO much stupid shit that that moment is cathartic because we're finally relieved of the most frustrating and dumbest character on the show. Damn it Andrea, you were supposed to be a badass sniper.
Willow536 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:49:05 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I hate Carl on the show.
Teston83 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:05:01 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Fuck that.... Carl!
Kimchidiary ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:06:00 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It was supposed to be a sad thing but all I could think on the birth of Baby Judith was 'typical Lori, will do anything to avoid watching her kid'.
qubedView ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:22:35 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
God damn Lori has the same shocked angry/sad face the entire damn time. I get it, zombies are everywhere, but she is the text-book picture of a one-dimensional character.
Poondobber ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:30:30 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Sarah Callies played a horrible character on Prison Break too. Pretty much the same whiny little bitch.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:35:48 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I can't stand Carl. It seems like 99% of the time when they get in trouble, he is either responsible or somehow involved.
phl_fc ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:39:51 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Also from The Walking Dead universe, the video game has spawned /r/fuckArvo
yes_faceless ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:40:06 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Andrea didn't bother me because she's hot
Male_Mail_Man ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:54:51 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Fucking Dale, hated Dale so much
imonsterFTW ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:01:16 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I kept waiting for her to die. Like please die already. Everyone else I liked or was just eh. Andrea though...
Djaesthetic ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:23:13 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The Monday after Lori was killed off, the VP of IT was so happy he bought lunch for the entire IT dept...
iexs ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:35:48 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What was wrong with Lori? I haven't watched the first seasons in forever.
douge2fresh ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:53:57 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Carl. Every time he comes close to dying but doesn't I'd die on the inside
BIGJFRIEDLI ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:54:40 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Fuck that, GET in the FUCKING HOUSE CARL!
grizzmanchester ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:54:40 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I could never stand Shane
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:37:53 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I seriously stopped watching that show because of fucking andrea, she was the WORST
Roebuck527 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:40:53 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Carl pissed me off until the current season. He was always getting into trouble
rathemighty ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:12:36 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I can't remember; are those the little girls that were playing with the zombies?
Krimefail ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:25:47 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Andrea was annoying, but Lori was the fucking worst.
flossorapture ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:42:24 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Just caught up on the comic.. Ya Carl can die now.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:02:47 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I had no problems with either.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:03:35 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And the dumb girl that insists on singing every other episode. So glad when her character died
BULKGIFTER ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:51:53 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I would get a boner whenever they were close to coming on screen.
gamaranara_nazi ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:54:02 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Rewatching from the beginning and holy shit Andrea does a lot to piss me off. Like she's gotta be this stupid on purpose
OC4815162342 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:06:46 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I clapped when Lori was eaten. That walker should've gotten an Oscar
DanishGurl ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:16:32 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I fucking hate Carol.. That woman that looses her daughter.. Fucking annoying bitch she dosnt do anything for the group.. She's just a problem that needs to be shot in the face. Dumb bitch.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:54:34 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Morgan's starting to piss me off. It's a different world; killing is fine. It's basically his fault that the group will be fucked.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:26:38 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not really nerd culture because Lori and Andrea were much different in the comics.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:54:05 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
AH FUCKED YER WAHF, REEICK
SteroidSandwich ยท 2314 points ยท Posted at 17:43:08 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That woman with Indiana Jones in the second movie
MtKilimanjaro ยท 832 points ยท Posted at 19:25:30 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"IIIIIIIIInnnnnddddddyyyyyyyy!!!"
Good lord, kill me now.
cavortingwebeasties ยท 22 points ยท Posted at 02:37:44 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Thas Dokta Jones to you, lady.
ForesterDesign ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 02:54:42 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
However, she grabbed that lever with all of the creepy crawlers squirming all over it like an absolute boss.
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 05:23:18 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
married the director.
mattb709 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 06:10:39 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"We're not sinking, were craaaaashiiing!"
thedude37 ยท 2174 points ยท Posted at 18:39:14 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"lady only here because she humping director"
blaghart ยท 792 points ยท Posted at 20:28:32 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Kinda the opposite actually, at least if you look at how she's written.
More like "Lady only here because Speilberg was going through a terrible divorce at the time and needed to work out his anger". Notice how she's all the things he claimed his ex-wife was...
Seikoholic ยท 1473 points ยท Posted at 21:10:10 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Let's assume that some of us here aren't 100% up on Seรฑor Spielbergo's ex-wife.
[deleted] ยท 81 points ยท Posted at 00:31:41 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It was George Lucas going through the divorce. Spielberg did marry Kate Capshaw, but it wasn't until some years after Temple of Doom was released.
[deleted] ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 06:03:07 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Spielberg had also gone through a divorce with Amy Irving around the time Temple Of Doom was being made.
twbrn ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 07:57:07 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Rather later, actually. They weren't even married yet when "Temple of Doom" was being made, and didn't get divorced until 1989. But they had been previously dating and broken up, which is where that comes from.
mugsoh ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 08:45:42 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They broke up the first time in 1979. Doubt he was still going through the break up 4 years later (Doom was filmed in 1983).
Plasmodicum ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 03:46:45 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
OMG, really? I had no idea, that's hilarious.
squashmastertate ยท 55 points ยท Posted at 23:05:45 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
At least she isn't "El Diablo" like Seรฑor Burns.
radicalelation ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 01:58:41 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Con el corazรณn de perro!
bearscanblowme ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:20:00 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
El Diablo con dinero!
isysopi201 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:42:59 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Fighting chicken?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:37:59 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Burrrrrrrrrrrrns
I hope you diiiie, and fryyyyy in Hell, you rich old maaaaaan
[deleted] ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 00:15:05 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I want you too do for me what Spielberg did for Oskar Schindler
b3n450 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:13:33 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He is married to her (Women from Temple of Doom).
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:01:01 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Unacceptable, clearly it should be common knowledge
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:26:07 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I was saying Boo-Urns...
mag0802 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:21:26 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Oscar Schindler es el bueno. Senor burns es el diablo.
Dinocologist ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:15:30 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Sounds like someone needs to get their priorities straight
LegacyLemur ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:28:58 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Es muy bueno...
[deleted] ยท -17 points ยท Posted at 23:03:30 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Let's assume that nobody really cares, then we can truly understand the issue at hand.
[deleted] ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 22:11:38 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Doesn't change the fact that he married her afterwards
awards.edit: typo
[deleted] ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 22:13:59 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
There is actually nothing accurate in your comment.
Dashing_Snow ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 01:01:01 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Er you realize she married him after right? Which is kind of the point of that joke.
blaghart ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 01:10:23 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
She married him...5 years later, after he divorced the lady he married after the release of temple of doom.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:33:13 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well, Spielberg did end up marrying her after filming Temple of Doom...
ellinorianne ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 01:27:11 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And they are still married. They've been married 25 years almost, he was married to Amy Irving for four.
ZEB1138 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:39:53 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Didn't he marry her, though?
CameronMcCasland ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:47:22 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
and then he married her.
blaghart ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:56:43 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
After he divorced the women he married the year after Temple of Doom came out.
BBanner ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:32:23 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ah, yes, Spielberg's wife, I know all of the things she was and was certainly keeping up with that at the time of release, twelve years before I was born. We all were.
How in the hell is somebody younger than around 40 supposed to remember Spielberg was goingn through a divorce when writing that movie
mugsoh ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:43:12 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Spielberg wasn't married at the time. The movie released in 1984, Spielberg didn't get married for the first time until 1985 and that was to Amy Irving.
HelloLittleJoe ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:49:21 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And misery loves company so he made the audience experience her as well.
professor_max_hammer ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:41:44 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Family guy reference
LDM123 ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 01:09:20 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
George Lucas, not Spielberg.
RichardRogers ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 02:47:45 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Such terrible writing. 20-year-olds nowadays are expected to write better, and blow Spielberg out of the water... on a word processor.
GrammatonYHWH ยท 22 points ยท Posted at 20:24:36 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"short asian boy only here cuz dokta jonz pedophile and humping him"
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 21:42:26 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think the writer could have reasonably pointed out the obvious problem with that idea and without writing in such a bitchy tone.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:16:46 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
oooooohhhh Innnnnnddddyyyyyy aaaahhhh!
morphinapg ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:36:02 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I believe they actually met while working on the movie together.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:15:39 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They got married years later, so no.
roni11 ยท 282 points ยท Posted at 18:15:00 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Kate Capshaw? She married Steven Speilberg after this movie, wasn't too bad for her.
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 01:23:38 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No one is arguing whether she did alright but from an audience perspective.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:40:53 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Damn. Kind of a GILF.
http://img.spokeo.com/public/900-600/kate_capshaw_2002_03_26.jpg
Russtopher617 ยท 261 points ยท Posted at 18:49:57 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
George Lucas was going through a divorce at the time, which kinda explains why Willie Scott's character is so shrill and annoying.
DoctorWaluigiTime ยท 75 points ยท Posted at 19:33:15 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Also explains the whole heart thing.
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 05:23:38 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
literal as fuck.
MustacheEmperor ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 22:49:39 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Who was going through a divorce? Lucas or Spielberg? I guess if it's both that just explains it further.
/u/Russtopher617 in one corner and /u/blaghart in the other TRUTH FIGHT LET'S GO
Russtopher617 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 23:19:51 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
According to IMDB, Lucas was going through a divorce. Spielberg also got a divorce, but not until several years after Temple of Doom was made.
blaghart ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 23:05:37 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Both, although technically Spielberg was going through a breakup, not a divorce.
He also didn't get with Temple of Doom girl until his divorce to the woman he married right after the film came out.
124213423 ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 00:47:06 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm just imagining Lucas and Spielberg in the writing room together, periodically saying "Man, fuck bitches."
Thendel ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 22:27:46 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Somewhat related would be the Sarlaac in Return of the Jedi: A giant monster that resembles a vagina with teeth and swallows men whole? Come on, George...
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:21:40 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Lucas admitted that's probably why the film was so dark.
Sudden_Herpes ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 01:44:36 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
She's like the girl you regretted
themanbat ยท 83 points ยท Posted at 20:21:20 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Goddammit people. Willie is supposed to be annoying. You are supposed to find her an insufferable spoiled brat because that's what she is. Capshaw played the role perfectly.
Aruu ยท 46 points ยท Posted at 21:13:42 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I agree!
Plus, look at it from her perspective. She's a woman who has gone from a life of luxury to slumming it in the jungle with Indy. Willie's reactions are honestly pretty realistic, given that she has no survival skills whatsoever. She was a little over the top, admittedly, but that's just part of her character, she's a drama queen.
ergister ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 22:50:41 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
For fuck's sake THANK YOU!!! This deserves to be at the top... She's a spoiled brat who lives a pampered life in the Shanghai night life. She's never been out of her element before (she grew up in Kansas, I believe) and she's not being thrust into these insane adventures where her plane's crashing, there's a guy ripping people's hearts out and people are eating chilled monkey brains. She's totally freaked out. And it's obnoxious to us and Indy because we're the adventurous, explorers. It's like people don't know how to watch movies...
Number127 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:22:57 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't think it's that people don't understand that she's supposed to be annoying, spoiled princess so much as that they don't understand why anyone thought it would be good idea to put a character like that into the film.
Tullimory ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 01:01:55 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Now that I'm older whenever I re-watch Temple of Doom I can't help but find her really attractive.
BookerDraper ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 23:33:26 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
She also adds some needed levity to easily the darkest of the 4 films.
beefstewie ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:30:57 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
3 Films. Had a little typo there. You're welcome.
schmearcampain ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:52:34 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Kate did a great job playing someone who was supposed to be super annoying.
Doesn't change the fact that she WAS SUPER ANNOYING.
Landredr ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:53:18 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What separates her from Jar-Jar though? I don't find either funny. Trying to give all the humor to one useless character only makes that character laborious to watch. Characters who are strictly over the top comedic relief aren't funny. Especially when they're meant to be all that is funny.
themanbat ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 22:05:52 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Jar Jar isn't supposed to be annoying. George legitimately thought he was the funniest character they had ever done before. A real laugh riot. Jar Jar isn't funny and completely fails at what he is supposed to do.
Willie, is supposed to be an annoying frustrating brat and she accomplishes exactly that. If anything too well because many seem to hate her. She does drive a good portion of the humor, but short round and indy himself also take their fair shade. Also she is the butt of all the jokes in her scenes. I found her quite funny when she fell off the elephant, freaked out at the food and bugs, and wanted to go back home to Missouri where they never feed you snakes before ripping your heart out and lowering you into hot pits. But you don't have to find her amusing for her to fulfill her purpose of being an annoying burden for indy to bear. In fact a lot of horrible crap happens to her when you think about it, and the audience would feel bad laughing at her if she hasn't proven to be such a wench. Ravenwood and Elsa get near the snakes and rats. Willie has insects all over her body and in her hair and clothes. Ravenwood and Elsa are in peril. Willie is tied into a sacrifice cage and hung over molten lava. Her being a whiney wench makes her less sympathetic, which in a way is important if you don't want the film to be any darker than it already is.
ReddJudicata ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:01:48 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
She's hot.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 22:19:27 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Pretty good for a toll booth operator.
somebunnny ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 03:04:45 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's not the annoying it's the horrible acting.
If you want to see annoying done right look up Diane from cheers.
PixelBrewery ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 21:04:07 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well, she can't be universally hated because I kind of like her.
I mean, she wasn't Karen Allen in Raiders-good, but she definitely wasn't Karen Allen in Crystal Skull-bad.
WillieScott ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 20:22:34 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
oh :(
bigfinnrider ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 19:08:27 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I rewatched that recently and her character is so extraneous it is amazing, but not as amazing as the casual racism towards South Asians.
vu1xVad0 ยท 32 points ยท Posted at 19:45:04 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I attribute the ridiculous South Asian stereotypes as being faithful to the shlocky explorer hero pulp fiction that inspired the whole Indiana Jones universe. That whole bizarre dinner scene with the eyeball soup and monkey brain dessert freaked me out as a kid but it's hilariously OTT as an adult.
themanbat ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 20:27:25 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Willie isn't any more extraneous than Miss Ravenwood. If anything Ravenwood was more extraneous because she insisted on coming along for her own reasons. Indy actually forced Willie to accompany him so he could get the antidote. In both cases these women are essentially along for the ride to facilitare exposition and to give Indy someone to rescue.
Number127 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:25:14 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Except Marion at least had some agency. She took the initiative a few times, even if it didn't work out. Willie just screamed a lot while Indy pulled her around by the wrist.
jairzinho ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:36:58 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
As extraneous as Indy in Raiders?
themanbat ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 20:30:51 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't see how this film is racist. Practically everyone in the film who is portrayed negatively is under the mind control of an evil mastermind. There is nothing which implies that all of them are bad or evil.
Crappy_Jack ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 22:22:54 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Now who's up for some delicious live snakes, beetles, and monkey brains, just like mom used to make?
APsWhoopinRoom ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 22:49:31 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's not racist. It's simply painting the villains to be incredibly strange/revolting. The point wasn't to say "Hey look at the weird shit that all Indians eat"
ergister ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 22:47:47 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ugh, it's supposed to make the place seem more exotic... Besides, those were eels in the dead snake, not live snakes... and I'm sorry, they do eat beetles in South Asia, so tell me how that's racist?
bigfinnrider ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:36:27 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The Indians who are not actively evil are all helpless until a white person comes along and saves them. They're not bad, they're just backwards, weak willed, and not too smart.
MoonshineExpress ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 19:04:57 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'd love to see that film with her character dubbed by someone less shrill and awful.
Scorp-Ion ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:10:11 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's genius. I can never talk myself into watching Temple of Doom because she's that annoying.
zanderkerbal ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:54:08 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You're not missing nearly as much as in 1 and 3.
hbgoddard ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:25:21 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hell, even 4 is better than 2.
francostine ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 19:41:22 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
But we're not sinking, we're
flyyyyyyyyingcraaaaaaashingthemanbat ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:21:47 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Crashing
francostine ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:38:08 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So annoying I couldn't even remember the correct quote...
mider-span ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:43:48 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Willie!
Doctor-Van-Nostrand ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:16:15 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
A boat? We're not sinking! We're CRASHIIING!
_dontreadthis ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:40:13 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ah yes, the traitorous German spy! I wonder why they only made TWO Indiana Jones movies...
Swatraptor ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 19:08:56 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Raiders of the lost ark and the last crusade. Too bad they never made one in a jungle. Oh oh, out one about aliens!
TheFuzzyPickler ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 19:14:17 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It would be cool if Shia LaBeouf was in an Indiana Jones movie, but a movie like that doesn't exist.
OtterProper ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 21:05:53 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It would likely be the worst of the lot. The world is a better place for it never having been.
Zeppelinman1 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:28:45 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Fuck you. Temple of Doom is my favorite. Kali-Ma!! Kali-Ma!!Kali-Maaaa!!
mahareeshi ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:34:01 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's been a while is that the "WE'RE CRAAASHING!!" broad?
Noggin-a-Floggin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:50:26 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"INDDDDDDDEEEEEEE!"
Some Indiana Jones fans actually rank Kingdom of the Crystal Skull over Temple of Doom because the former didn't have her.
Chicken-n-Waffles ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:10:02 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yes. And when I realized that she was supposed to be a hated character, then I loved the movie. She's not supposed to be 'the girl of the movie' like Marion where you like her, you're supposed to hate her.
titticut_warrendale ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:44:00 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Sweet Jesus it's a terrible movie. So awful that she's not the worst thing in it.
Letty_Whiterock ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:16:54 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
God, that film was shit in general.
McShalepants ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:42:04 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I mentioned this ages ago in a similar topic: her character in Lego Indiana Jones has the power of...screaming. She screams so loud it breaks the enemies into pieces.
Sudden_Herpes ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:43:43 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
IIIIIIIIIINNNNNNNNNNNNNDDDDDDDDDDDYYYYYYYYYYY
airborngrmp ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:05:53 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Good thing Short Round saved the movie by being an awesome sidekick to the horrible screechy "love interest"
Sirknightington ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:42:34 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Weird thing is, My film professor loved everything in that movie. He couldn't explain why, he just liked it.
icallshenannigans ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:38:31 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Try doing a shot of tequila every time she screams in that 'too much of a lady for this rough-housing' way.
Actually no. Don't try that. You'll die.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:44:22 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Oh god! 47% of the dialogue in that movie is her screaming
DashIsBestPony ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:53:19 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Temple of Doom is automatically worse than Indy 4 for this exact reason. Her character is irredeemable.
Chengweiyingji ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:18:10 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Willie! That's her name. In the Lego games she just screamed, and by god it was annoying when you needed her to shatter glass or something.
TheMellowestyellow ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:23:09 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That lady used to teach highschool in my town.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:38:01 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Willy is fucking amazing.
bitwise97 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:28:45 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You mean Mrs. Steven Spielberg?
ABProsper ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:43:02 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Willy Scott is her name.
The actress Kate Capshaw however was very attractive though you get have to get past how annoying the character was to notice it.
GrahamHosken ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:33:37 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You mean Willy fuck her i know spielberg was but i liked were not sinking were crashing
IHNE ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:33:12 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
She married Spielberg
mi_esposa_me_espia ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:52:19 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That Austrian chick in the third though, Hnnnnnnnnnnnggggg.
PM_ME_UR_FLOWERS ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:33:49 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Actually I hate all the women in the franchise. It's a great series, but apparently George Lucas can't write women.
starcraft_al ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:01:29 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Willy was annoying
Lakridspibe ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 22:21:57 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think the kid is far worse.
drivec ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 00:57:01 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Wow, isn't it strange that they made an Indiana Jones 1 and then skipped right to Indiana Jones 3 without making a 2 or 4?!
I can't wait to see Indiana Jones 5 when they finish the trilogy!
SmallName ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 19:55:45 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Dood my gf hates her so bad, its pretty funny
[deleted] ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 01:11:08 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I always wondered....
y2ketchup ยท 1684 points ยท Posted at 20:42:42 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Clippy the MS Office paperclip tip wizard
geopotsie ยท 105 points ยท Posted at 22:22:53 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
deleted What is this?
Boiled_Potatoe ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 08:06:31 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I loved Clippy...
He was my world.
GuyYouSawOnReddit ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:44:05 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You could change him to a motherfucking robot
rickhamilton620 ยท 28 points ยท Posted at 00:33:43 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
In contrast, I actually liked and missed his companion introduced in Office 2000, Rocky: Imgur
GradStudentThroway ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 04:37:14 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That dog was adorable!
rickhamilton620 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 04:58:58 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I know right? I changed the assistant from Clippy to Rocky on almost every machine at school I got on.
RabiesTingles ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 01:53:14 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Writing a suicide note? I can help!
[deleted] ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 02:40:01 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It looks like you're writing a letter.
Jah_Ith_Ber ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 01:09:46 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This will completely change your mind about Clippy.
slimmaster ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 03:10:57 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Great video and a nice song too! Thanks!
the_classy_man ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:14:56 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I knew what it was and still clicked it.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:18:31 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Holy Windows 98 that's incredible.
janebleyre ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:07:57 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Holy shit I've never seen this before, and not only is it hilarious, it just gave me a huge nostalgia wave in the best way. Thanks, man.
anumati ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 01:57:01 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think I hated BonziBuddy more.
Hamsandwichmasterace ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:08:47 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Expand dong.
PC509 ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 23:46:28 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What? Clippy rocks! ;)
Clippy
pm-me-your-areola ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 02:46:53 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Poor clippy. He had so much potential, but was murdered before he had a chance
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:40:07 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm glad he was murdered.
zacker150 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:57:57 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So my take from it is that clippy was severely retarded by a lack of disk space. The question is, why didn't Microsoft put back the full thing with 2007? I would have been willing to take a few more gigabytes for a fully functional AI with office.
pm-me-your-areola ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:54:24 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Who knows. My guess is the developers moved on to other things, and it was more hassle than it was worth to dig up old code and reintegrate it.
leadabae ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 02:46:59 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Oh fuck this guy. I remember trying to find a way to exit out of his nagging ass but no matter what I clicked on I couldn't get rid of him.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 04:49:20 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I vividly remember clicking like crazy yelling "die clippy die!" with no effect. Rip asshole clippy.
Tigerkix ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 01:12:57 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Clippy is still around, he's ascended into the form of Cortana.
Chengweiyingji ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 05:21:26 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
WAKE UP AMERICA
mksurfin7 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:27:15 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Wow great answer
DrtyOnion54 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:36:55 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Underrated af.
Gooddayhans ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:41:08 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
IMO, Clippy is an example of that you don't know what you've got until it's gone.
Yeah, I hated that pesky little fucker of a paperclip when he was around, but when he was gone, I realized that he - despite his lack of ability to help in practice - was probably one of the most well-intentioned characters you'll ever meet. That level of unselfishness is rare those days. Now I miss him at times.
firesmacker ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:14:38 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Fuck you. Clippy was my pal. Rest in peace, comrade Clippy.
Sharrakor ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:19:12 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"Nerd culture"
SteroidSandwich ยท 1188 points ยท Posted at 17:38:21 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Sarah from Ed Edd'n Eddy
AlmightyRuler ยท 424 points ยท Posted at 23:38:41 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Always despised how she abused her clueless, half-retarded big brother. And how freakishly powerful she was. Ed spent half his time just trying not to piss her off.
And then you see the episode where Ed got mad. Not "I'm a bit miffed mad." More like "I will END anyone who bothers me" mad. And Ed is so stupid, it gives him borderline superhuman retard strength, which makes him all the more terrifying. Even Sarah backs off at that point. She knows Ed is not to be fucked with at that in that state.
I've always wondered just what kind of weird, genetic experiments went on in that family to produce kids like that.
Princess_Cherry ยท 160 points ยท Posted at 01:04:53 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well you know how telephone poles make bad family trees?
GenocideSolution ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 07:36:16 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So does that mean Ed and Sarah...
Does anyone hear the sound of fanfiction writers furiously scribbling?
xahnel ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:13:04 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I am astounded that this doesn't exist yet. Not a trace of it on fanfiction.net
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 13:20:28 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Or a bush if we look at european royal families.
Sikktwizted ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 02:50:36 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
LOL
joker783 ยท 130 points ยท Posted at 04:05:06 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
God I loved the episode when Ed got pissed cause of a rock in his shoe. So much catharsis in one scene.
Sarah: "Ed! You can't kick me out, I live here too."
Ed: SO MOOOVE!!
Robobvious ยท 30 points ยท Posted at 05:56:45 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Y'know Ed said a lot of weird stuff on that show that if you took a minute to think about it made sense in his own weird way. For instance: Ed pops up and Eddy goes "Where'd you come from?" then Ed replies "Blame my parents Eddy."
But one time he said "If carrots are good for your eyes can they dial a phone?" and to this day I am still searching for the meaning in that statement.
relevantusername- ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 11:58:11 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He once said "one plus one makes one in a bun" too, I think he just spouts random shit half the time.
LMN-er ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 17:19:37 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Mom + Dad= Pregnant mom?
Mollywobbles225 ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 03:25:31 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not to mention all the references to their dad being abusive.
RickyZBiGBiRD ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 04:08:23 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Was it abusive? The few times Ed mentions his dad it sounds more like he's just distant and uninterested.
Mollywobbles225 ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 04:12:00 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well, there's this (warning, TV Tropes link), but it really only gives the one example. I know there were others, like Ed begging Sarah not to tell their mom (that he'd done something) "because then Mom will tell Dad and Dad will say 'Not now, I'm watching TV'," which has been interpreted by many (including myself) to mean that Ed's father is abusive. It's never outright stated, but the fear on Ed's face whenever Sarah threatens him just sort of screams parental abuse at me.
RickyZBiGBiRD ยท 36 points ยท Posted at 04:43:02 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
See, the example you gave me just makes me think Ed is being Ed and completely misinterpreting the severity of the situation, like the simpleton he is. "Not now, I'm watching TV" just screams that Ed's dad can't be bothered to pay attention to his kids, whether it's through discipline or otherwise.
ASCIt ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 05:51:23 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well, either that or he understands that Sarah is a little bitch and that she complains about the stupidest things.
Big_Green_Piccolo ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:56:21 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
There was the grounded episode with his basement stairs removed.
Teknotokon_II ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:07:53 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Huh? Don't really remember anything like this from the show, examples plox?
Mollywobbles225 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 04:14:47 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
For starters, there's this (warning, TV Tropes link). There were others, though, like whenever Sarah would threaten to tell their mom (that Ed had done something) and Ed would beg her not to tell them "because then Mom will tell Dad and Dad will say 'I just got home from work'" and the like. I'm not as big into it as I once was, or I would have some more examples ready, but it's been interpreted by many (myself included) that at least their father was abusive.
wolfsniper27 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:58:57 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So your saying Ed is an older Neal from the storied of Neal.
SamWise050 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:09:51 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Didn't he just have a rock in his shoe?
Covert_Ruffian ยท 89 points ยท Posted at 19:16:35 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"Ed, stop that, or I'm telling Moooommmmm!!!"
God, that was annoying.
[deleted] ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 02:45:27 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The part I hated most was how she could destroy just about anybody in the show. The only people Sarah didn't ever wanna fuck with were the Kanker Sisters and Eddy's older brother (in that one episode and in the series finale movie).
[deleted] ยท 850 points ยท Posted at 19:22:36 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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Chippy569 ยท 276 points ยท Posted at 19:56:06 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
these ones?
[deleted] ยท 95 points ยท Posted at 20:02:09 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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LumberCockSucker ยท 211 points ยท Posted at 21:51:39 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So what you're saying is that you're into kids?
xander_the_panda ยท 151 points ยท Posted at 21:55:54 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
LISTED
MiniatureBadger ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 22:33:29 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
V&
spiritriser ยท 33 points ยท Posted at 22:43:30 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, vampersand!
lord_james ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:51:47 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
GOT EM
grapesandmilk ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 23:46:58 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
When they were a kid.
zzupdown ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 02:48:25 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
no, these ones
blamb211 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 04:04:29 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Now THAT'S what I'm talking about!
I'd totally watch a grown-up Ed Edd & Eddy
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 04:51:05 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Oh god the middle one looks like she could be #4's big sister from Kids Next Door
WalrusMasterRace ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:34:01 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Risky click
HotPandaLove ยท 248 points ยท Posted at 22:43:08 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It had to be said, and you were the brave soul who said it. I think the blue-haired girl started my life-long love of scene girls.
Mollywobbles225 ยท 22 points ยท Posted at 03:23:01 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Marie. "The blue-haired one" was Marie. The blonde one was May, and the orange-haried one whose eyes we never saw was Lee.
HotPandaLove ยท 43 points ยท Posted at 03:53:45 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, her. Always thought she was a cutie-pie
Mollywobbles225 ยท 46 points ยท Posted at 03:56:01 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Goddamn it, I love this picture. I've also seen a lot of people recently realizing that Double D lucked out with girl-wise. The other two are homely as fuck, Marie's the only girl in the show who's actually pretty (and yes, I am including Naz, she was just too generic-looking to really be pretty).
Pompey_ ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 10:33:10 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Isn't this a cartoon about middle school kids?
Mollywobbles225 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:36:37 on January 4, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It is indeed. I just really love to see artwork like this, re-imagining the characters to look a little more realistic and (in most cases) older, like around high school-aged.
ShallowBasketcase ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 07:15:09 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I always liked the eye gag with Lee. See, Lee had no visible eyes, Marie had one, and May had two. But then the one time someone brushes Lee's hair out of the way, it turns out she has three eyes!
Fontaine42 ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 02:36:14 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He died for our sins.
He's with the Sundog now.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 07:46:36 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Praise Sundog!
LMN-er ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:16:47 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
\[แตแดฅแต]/
usmc2009 ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 05:41:36 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ramona flowers from Scott pilgrim
HotPandaLove ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 06:20:39 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Bro, the last thing I need is another crush on a fictional character. Why you do this to me?
usmc2009 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 06:45:41 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Sorry. I just had to share the feels.
BrianKid ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 05:58:35 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Finally someone else who has a life long love for scene chicks. Finally I no longer feel alone in the universe.
HotPandaLove ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 06:18:43 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't know if she's technically "scene," but I know a girl who looks a lot like Liz Vicious. Most gorgeous woman I've ever seen, no pun intended.
usmc2009 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 06:57:17 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's sad that she's out. She's been a favorite of mine for years. It's actually crazy how long it's been...I feel old now.
Graffy ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 06:55:23 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I had a FWB a few years ago who looked very similar. First time I met her she was wearing a corset and an hour later we were having rough sex with her roommate ten feet away. She was a wiccan and turned out to be a little crazy. Go figure.
HotPandaLove ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 07:01:06 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Your life. I'll trade ya for it.
Graffy ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 08:52:54 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Eh it's not all it's cracked up to be. The sex life from ages 16-20 was pretty damn good though.
SalchichaChistosa ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:41:31 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This makes me feel so much better. I always thought she was cute in a strange kind of way, but nobody really agreed.
[deleted] ยท 107 points ยท Posted at 22:02:57 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
She looks like she smells like cigarettes.
foxdye22 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 06:20:45 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't mind.
God_Damnit_Nappa ยท 389 points ยท Posted at 19:42:01 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's a one way ticket to every STD known to man.
[deleted] ยท 119 points ยท Posted at 22:12:54 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They're children.
[deleted] ยท 235 points ยท Posted at 22:38:58 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
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[deleted] ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 01:00:11 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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ffxt10 ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 01:23:35 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Username also checks out?
APsWhoopinRoom ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 22:58:43 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Trailer trash children though. The point still stands
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 04:34:18 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They look and act more like teenagers
[deleted] ยท -74 points ยท Posted at 19:48:01 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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blamb211 ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 04:03:50 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Great line of thinking there.
brickmack ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 23:48:12 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Blue hair one is sorta hot, other 2 no
loganwm97 ยท 22 points ยท Posted at 19:51:33 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Only you and juicy j cant say no to ratchet pussy....
[deleted] ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 20:02:41 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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HaroldSax ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 23:48:50 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Bullshit. I'll admit it. They turn riding dick into an art form.
[deleted] ยท 35 points ยท Posted at 23:37:37 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I would wreck Marie Kanker. She's like that one badass punk rock chick that everyone's into at one point. She's the girl who steals her dad's car and drives everyone around to parties even though she doesn't have a liscence. The girl who smokes pot behind the school and is super mysterious and is really down to earth once you get to know her. I have a lot of feelings about Marie Kanker
ArsenalOwl ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 02:16:54 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And it's hilarious that she's the one who was into Double D, since she's basically the antithesis of what he tries to be.
[deleted] ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 02:43:47 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Exactly. Opposites attract. While Lee and Eddy and May and Edd had very similar personality traits, Double D and Marie were as far from one another's personalities as you could get.
ArsenalOwl ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:50:30 on January 4, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think when he's a bit older he'd be really into her.
CosmicAnus ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 20:02:18 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Her and the yellow hair girl were the only ok ones
lightnsfw ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 01:27:07 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Eh, they're basically throwing it at you and they're not fat. I'd do it.
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 23:22:41 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm with you. Blue hair and all.
SemoMuscle ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 22:04:38 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Especially not Juicy J...
AfroKing23 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 22:34:34 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Marie used to be my crush when i was like 10
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 02:41:52 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Marie.
I think just about every boy who watched that show growing up probably had a little bit of a crush on Marie. I think she's the reason I find short hair on women so attractive.
RacistJudicata ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:02:25 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You say no to ratchet pussy,
Juicy Ju/jeremythelee can't.armaniac ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:55:39 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I have had vivid dreams of making out with each of them when I was younger.
sweet_0live ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:01:15 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You say no to ratchet pussy; Juicy J can't.
Reeyan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:00:30 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I fapped to her so many times as a kid.
blandrice123 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:55:18 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Gettin on that ratchet pussy vs don't dick your dick in crazy.
SantaHat ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:34:44 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Marie (the blue hair one) was always my favourite.
LemonMeringueOctopi ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:48:12 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You're not alone. I had a crush on her when I was a kid.
cursed_deity ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:37:26 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I used to have such a big crush on the blonde one
UniverseBomb ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:51:32 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
There's a special layer of Hell (coughDeviantArtcough) for people like you.
pats4life ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:55:07 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You say no to ratchet pussy juicy j can't
Barfdragon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:46:09 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Gotta own up. I still think blue hair on girls is attractive.
imonsterFTW ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:03:09 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I was always like dude, double d you're the luckiest. The purple haired chick is actually pretty bomb. Get on that shit.
DiaDeLosMuertos ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:09:36 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'd only be on the blue haired one. Ed, Edd, and Eddie were right about the other two.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:24:07 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Know what always bugged me about the Kanker sisters? What they did when you first meet them. It hit me hard when I was in my 2nd year of college and actually re-watched the episode.
They seemed (at least in this sense..) To try out acting out all of father's relationships which ended up with him getting a woman (or multiple women) pregnant and having her appear at the house announced with children saying they were his.
ThatSwigglyLine ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:27:21 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Juicy J quoted in AskReddit? I love this.
tatsuedoa ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:40:16 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think the blue hair was the only one I would've had any attraction too. Double D missed out.
lodsofemone-HE ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:41:40 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
There was a great episode where the Eds actually showed interest in the kanker sisters. The girls were horrified. Hilarious episode.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:49:49 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The Kanker sisters have to be some sort of homage to John Waters movies
Chengweiyingji ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:23:32 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Totally agree, blue-haired one's the best.
kwertyuiop ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:31:26 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I would've fucking destroyed the blue one... As a 2 dimensional 12 year old. How old are the characters in Ed Edd n Eddy actually?
Gwyntorias ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:12:28 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Truth.
mister_sleepy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:37:18 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
There is porn of this. I'm not saying "rule 34 there's always porn of anything." I'm Saying I know for a fact there's porn of this.
Kush_McNuggz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:14:50 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Except juicy j
Kendo16 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:28:06 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You say no to ratchet pussy...Juicy J can't.
IrateCanadien ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:49:41 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'll just leave this here...
http://miimochi.deviantart.com/art/Marie-Lee-n-May-172474048
jgoettig ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:24:47 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Looks like you may need to head on over to /r/rule34
Mr_Bright5ide ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:28:30 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Trashy in all the right ways
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:28:58 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Are you Juicy J?
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 01:58:00 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And double D was a girl the whole time. And the other eds knew about it
Dzjill ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 04:53:31 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
wtf dude they were ugly as hell. only the blue one looked nice. are you misremembering the show?
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 11:52:14 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You say no to ratchet pussy, Juicy J he can't.
Seraphim_kid ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 23:55:16 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
She's a product of fucked up parents, Ed is kept in a basement for fucks sake, and she is spoiled to shit, whenever she threatens to tattle on him, his reaction is to panic. But I hate Eddy's big brother more.
[deleted] ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 02:47:42 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I wouldn't say Ed is kept in a basement, his bedroom is down there. It's not like he's living in some shithole (well, save for what he himself turns it into). When we're not seeing weird shit like his gravy filled bathtub and his collection of moldy cheese, his room looks pretty normal. I've also had plenty of friends whose bedrooms are downstairs.
Barfdragon ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 03:44:28 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think you are forgetting when he was grounded....
They removed his stairs.
FatJack ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 06:51:37 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
His parents treat him like Sloth from The Goonies.
Brooklynspartan ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 00:23:20 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Fuck Jimmy. That scrawny whinny bitch.
venterol ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 06:47:32 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Especially since he was completely incapable of fighting his own battles and always relied on Sarah.
Johnny was kind of a wiener too, but at least he spoke up when bullshit was about.
UndeadShawn ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 05:09:45 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"Sarah will tell mom! And mom will tell dad! And dad will just sit there and watch tv!"
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 08:48:28 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Loved the show but her character got really old quick.
rathemighty ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:15:39 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
How in the hell did Ed not beat her up?
ceedubs2 ยท -12 points ยท Posted at 18:29:45 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
For me it was everyone from that cartoon.
JayAutolive ยท 66 points ยท Posted at 18:35:30 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What about my boy Plank?
PM_ME_MARE_ANUS_PICS ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 23:09:39 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't know how you can hate someone like Rolf or any of the Eds, either.
arthquel ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 00:46:54 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
A son of a shepherd can do no wrong!
post_modern ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 03:12:17 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
/r/sonofashepherd
TreeDiagram ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 09:21:43 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So happy this exists
TeePlaysGames ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 23:51:21 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ayy lmao Ed boys.
Arkaega ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 20:02:49 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My best friend Plank?
AfroKing23 ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 22:35:13 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well thats okay.
Everyone is entitled to their own opinions
Matrillik ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 06:34:31 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I really liked her
non_clever_username ยท 3242 points ยท Posted at 16:34:18 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
/r/fucktammy
ReturnOf_TheHack ยท 1632 points ยท Posted at 17:41:55 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
RIP Birdperson
live_wire_ ยท 411 points ยท Posted at 21:07:17 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My theory is that he's not actually dead. Jerry survived being shot 67 times, I think Birdperson can survive with a couple of holes in his wings.
DoctorPuntastic ยท 448 points ยท Posted at 22:52:52 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Yeah, but Jerry was shot in one of the most advanced Hospitals in the galaxy.
BP got shot
in his own padon Planet Squanch, man.The_Celtic_Chemist ยท 681 points ยท Posted at 23:09:57 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
In bird culture, this is considered "a nest."
PmMeYourWhatever ยท 37 points ยท Posted at 00:14:58 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I thought you were just going to parrot the original line, which would also work.
"In bird culture, this is considered a dick move."
samjp270 ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 00:34:33 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I see what you did there
zleuth ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 00:51:46 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, he squanched that like a boss!
ItsStevoHooray ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 00:59:45 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I squanch my family!
heavymetalcat1 ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 01:27:01 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Eugh. Stop.
zleuth ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 01:50:22 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What? Here's just saying that he squanches his loved ones!
heavymetalcat1 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 04:28:13 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Gross.
Techgamerguy99 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 04:23:27 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's also considered a "dick move" in bird culture
Evolved_Velociraptor ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:38:37 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Nah man they were on planet Squanch, he lives on Bird World
My_Ex_Got_Fat ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:19:38 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
and even Rick himself said "Well I can't cure Death"
morbidbunny3 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:55:29 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Birdperson was killed on Squanchy's home planet. One reason I think Squanchy was in on it.
saors ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 06:22:40 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm hoping that Morty will find a way to communicate with the other universes Ricks and convince them to help bust OG Rick out.
motu147 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 23:58:21 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Bird Person will be the one to free Rick from super jail.
TheDevilChicken ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:28:11 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't know man, SuperJail might be a bit much even for Rick
Mouse_for_life ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:36:30 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I still hold the same theory. I don't think Tammy or Squanch are either because we never see the end of that.
ColeSloth ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:13:51 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I figure for sure Tammy lives. Bird person's probably toast, though.
50kent ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:19:01 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Or at the very least they could just pull another birdperson from a different dimension where he survives the wedding but would die in some other way shortly after. There are so many loopholes the show already built in
blot101 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:30:49 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
that's what I didn't like about the whole thing... there are just too many loopholes. He can make another portal gun, he can make another space ship, they can all go to another dimension. did they though? nope, they didn't even try.
50kent ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 09:04:04 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I kinda like that though. Like a huge message in the show is that you just need to stop giving a fuck and everything will be okay, and all of the bullshit loopholes are kinda part of that. It's not supposed to be some bulletproof scifi masterpiece, it's just a bullshit adult swim comedy, which they do perfectky
saors ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:24:52 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
But the number of dimensions that have space for just Rick and Morty were already said to be limited. Of those, which also have space for Beth, Summer, and Jerry?
I'm more surprised there was no time travel idea, but perhaps that will happen first episode of next season.
blot101 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:17:12 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well, yeah... but they don't even have to replace them. Just live somewhere else in that dimension
The writer apparently doesn't like time travel and refuses to do it... so that will be interesting if he does
Shat_on_a_turtle ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:44:27 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not to mention the infinite universes loophole. They can literally do whatever they want to. I know they are supposedly following a specific Rick and Morty, but honestly, at any point in which the plot gets too dicey, they have an out.
DirtyDav3 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 05:17:27 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It was 57, I just rewatched that ep
subliminalbrowser ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 06:06:45 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Am I missing something from P&R?
hawaiian0n ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 19:40:37 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Wait, I'm only starting season 2, what happened to bird person?
eleanorswearengen ยท 34 points ยท Posted at 22:10:28 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ummmm... have you ever heard of the Red Wedding?
Buckle up
Vancocillin ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 23:19:44 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Stop reading now and finish it.
my_name_isnt_clever ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 19:43:51 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ohh, you'll see. It's in the season 2 finale.
hawaiian0n ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 20:21:36 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
:(
ThatMakesMyNipsHard ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:44:43 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That bitch Tammy happened.
Twelve20two ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 06:09:06 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I never thought I'd care about spoilers for a mostly goofy Adult Swim cartoon, but damn. I neeeed to watch Season 2...
LordCharco_iii ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:38:49 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This came up yesterday, but the lure of karma is a strong one, so I'll just copy paste what I said yesterday.
Want to know what the saddest part about Bird Persons death?
The one word, the very last word that he ever says, also happens to be the only word he's ever said with any inflection. Before he died, he said one word:
"Tammy?"
The last thought he ever had was trying to wrap his head around the fact that the woman who he loved was trying to kill him.
chipperpip ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:54:23 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The way the show uses parallel universes makes that entire plot point kind of nonsensical, though. That wasn't even the same Birdperson Rick fought alongside. His is still back in the universe where Earth got Cronenburged, presumably.
SirPseudonymous ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 11:49:40 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe that universe's Bird Person died in the war. Hell, maybe the current universe's Bird Person died in the war, and Rick brought the other one over assuming there wouldn't be a manhunt for someone confirmed dead or the like. The show's got so many outs it can pull to justify just about any situation that little continuity issues like that can be easily bullshitted through without breaking immersion any more than most of the other shit that happens does. A setting where just about anything can conceivably be explained away with some stream-of-consciousness explanation is hard to do right, but when it is done right it makes poking holes in the plot kind of a moot point.
MegaSwampertOmega ยท 194 points ยท Posted at 21:09:28 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
BIRD PERSON NOOOOOO
fuck you galactic federation
and adult swim for making us wait till 2017
silenttd ยท 51 points ยท Posted at 23:35:45 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Is 2017 confirmed? I mean I know there was a long gap between seasons 1 and 2, but I wasn't sure the โsee you in a year and a half" thing was a self-referential gag or something.
reticulate ยท 46 points ยท Posted at 03:01:09 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It'll take that long for Dan Harmon to sober up sufficiently.
I_FAP_TO_TURKEYS ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 02:40:24 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I thought it would be out July 2016... Fuck
quincy_taylor ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 06:11:00 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Quality > quantity
SirPseudonymous ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:54:03 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I know they said it was just a joke to troll (and this is probably very close to an actual quote, given how they talk in the commentaries) "the fans on reddit" shortly after the finale, but more recently it's started popping up again and it sounds like new developments mean it actually might be a year and a half wait after all, but all I have for the latter is just hearsay.
DiaDeLosMuertos ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:08:28 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What? Why so long?
KamikazePlatypus ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:01:56 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Animation takes time, man.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 09:13:05 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not usually that long.
yourselfiegotleaked ยท 474 points ยท Posted at 16:49:42 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
THAT FUCKING BITCH
KingStraton ยท 135 points ยท Posted at 19:22:39 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
sobs
Wubba Lubba Dub Dub
lesser_panjandrum ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 23:15:51 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Same here, buddy.
Same here.
astrodogs ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 05:08:02 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
wubba lubba sob sob
Dyssebeia ยท 410 points ยท Posted at 18:38:15 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ron Swanson would approve.
CLint_FLicker ยท 1119 points ยท Posted at 19:24:58 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Swan...Son.....
Bird....Person....
My God.
rillip ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 20:13:14 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So if Ron is the Birdperson of the Parks and Rec dimension... Who's Rick?
devils284 ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 20:36:24 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ben Wyatt is definitely Morty. So I think that means Leslie Knope is Rick.
rillip ยท 23 points ยท Posted at 20:39:41 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Does that make Terry Jerry?
[deleted] ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 22:16:09 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Tom Haverford is Tiny Rick.
rillip ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:31:01 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I was thinking April is Summer. But then who the hell is Andy?
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 22:42:22 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe Ethan, from Anatomy Park
rillip ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:50:58 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Good catch. I totally forgot about that guy.
devils284 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 20:57:12 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not again!
Scarbane ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:44:37 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yes! snaps
GrantTurismo ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:51:10 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So who would be Chris Traeger?
rillip ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 00:57:35 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Mr.Poopybutthole?
Roommates69 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:43:13 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Donna
[deleted] ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 19:47:01 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
!
Cronurd ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 01:59:41 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Every time I see this, the MGS sound plays...
Tinfoilpain ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:35:18 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No amount of passing butter will make me whole again...
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:21:05 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Holy fuck
ThatsSoSwan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:56:24 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Bird people are cool, right?
Octo_Reggie ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:19:32 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
GG 800 get an ice cram
nicsaweiner ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 19:24:39 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You didn't even open the subreddit, did you?
demondor ยท 23 points ยท Posted at 18:19:20 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Who's Tammy?
[deleted] ยท 70 points ยท Posted at 18:28:42 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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Iceyeeye ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 20:04:00 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
A lot of that second season shit is hard on the recently divorced peoples...just commenting for a friend...
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 05:24:42 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The writer Dan Harmon is also recently divorced.
Iceyeeye ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 06:42:46 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That would explain how accurate the observations can be. The jokes that deal with lost love are funny as hell, but they also ring with hurtful truth. The mark of comedic genius.
holysnikey ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 19:50:45 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
๐ถI hurt myself today, to see if I still feel...๐ถ
Rapier_and_Pwnard ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:14:02 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
or halfway through the second season. that show has some real serious moments.
Crassusinyourasses ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 18:36:06 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
She's from Rick n Morty. She's a fucking bitch.
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 18:29:37 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
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Track-tor ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 18:35:47 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Wow, use a spoiler tag dude, in bird culture not using spoiler tags is considered a dick move
[deleted] ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 18:53:59 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
www.fucktammy.com
Grandmaofhurt ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 23:52:36 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
FREE RICK SANCHEZ!
Dunkcity239 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 22:39:30 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
/r/FuckOlly
Deadm1r ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:46:55 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hi dunk!
Dunkcity239 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:32:10 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Sup homie
IrishladScark ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:43:26 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
FuckTammy!!
Neurotoxic714 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:23:35 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yo, Fuck Tammy.
Arty6060 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:49:33 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
/r/FuckArvo
BernatDonnie ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:18:32 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The heck is that..?!
mattbarber51993 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 18:28:20 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Rick and Morty
BartSimpWhoTheHellRU ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:32:33 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
r/fuckchuck
MicrowaveableBacon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:18:15 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I thought this was about Tammy from the movie "Tammy" and I completely agreed. I fucking hate the movie "Tammy".
sheepnwolfsclothing ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:24:21 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Cue NiN
Lefthandedwolf ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:46:12 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
WOW. There's an entire thread for that? Well That's the internet for you, I guess.
duelingdelbene ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:46:58 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm disappointed this sub isnt about Ron's Tammy(s)
Xenjael ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:41:07 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Couldn't think of any scifi chars I hated until I read your comment.
I agree emphatically- fuck Tammy.
Schrute_Farms_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:34:52 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Don't be gross, Tammy.
radredrum ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 06:03:12 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Given how she made fans of a lame show engage in a hate-circlejerk, she's probably amazing.
non_clever_username ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:51:22 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Awwwww. The troll was late to the party. Sorry you didn't get here sooner bub. Have an update for effort.
knightress_oxhide ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 19:10:41 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
/r/tammydidnothingwrong
guiri-girl ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 22:42:20 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Blasphemer!!
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 19:53:26 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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Largenlumpy ยท 4952 points ยท Posted at 16:51:50 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Scrappy doo
TheClueInTheOldBook ยท 940 points ยท Posted at 19:31:44 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b6ubNqkhfVU
[1]"Look away, Daphne. We all promised each other that we'd never speak of it. Not ever!"
[1]
"Scooby Doo: Mystery Inc." slams Scrappy Doo
-888- ยท 64 points ยท Posted at 22:39:59 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I like how they explain why Fred (and Velma) wasn't part of the Flim Flam episodes (13 Ghosts of Scooby-Doo).
[deleted] ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 04:11:21 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That was the shit! I loved the 13 Ghosts of Scooby Doo. Gonna rewatch asap.
-888- ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 05:12:56 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
13 ghosts is my second favorite Scooby-Doo, after Mystery Inc. I hope some day they do more mystery inc.
jaypenn3 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 05:50:06 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm too lazy to find out, can you give me the explanation?
cole1114 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 06:27:32 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's a 44 second video linked above...
jaypenn3 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 06:29:04 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It doesn't explain velma.
-888- ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 06:54:22 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah it doesn't explain Velma. Maybe some day it will be revealed. 13 ghosts somehow succeeded despite the cast changes. Well I think so at least. I did like Vincent Van Ghoul (Vincent Price) in it, and they brought him back in Mystery Inc.
geek_loser ยท 251 points ยท Posted at 20:10:03 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I love Mystery Inc.
FamilyGuyGuy7 ยท 43 points ยท Posted at 03:15:32 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Mystery Inc. is the pinnacle of the Scooby Doo universe. So many talented voice actors, a well-written and reference-heavy story, and humorous to boot. It's the best series since the original and captures the essence of Scooby Doo in so many ways.
Real shame it only got two seasons.
DrCosmoMcKinley ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 03:42:10 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
(Mild Spoiler) As they were driving their van off to attend Miskatonic University in the finale, my six-year-old son hopped up and said "I can't wait to see the next season!" I stood there flushed and speechless, realizing I was about to cry. What the fuck! I turned around for a few seconds and slapped myself on the arm. Gave a big sniff and said "Well, kid, sometimes you've just got to appreciate a show for what it is. That was a great version of Scooby-Doo, and there were fifty episodes, which is one more than the original run of the show."
He stared at me and said, "Wait. Aren't they going to Miskatonic University?" I smiled and told him, "Someday I'll take you there."
VAShumpmaker ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 04:57:18 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And that day your boy started down the Left Hand Path. IA! IA!
[deleted] ยท 61 points ยท Posted at 23:49:43 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I could never take Fred's love for traps at face value since the internet made me think he loved, well..."traps."
Iggy_2539 ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 03:53:28 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
http://gfycat.com/OrnateFlawedAfricanclawedfrog
Sikktwizted ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 02:47:55 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ahh the internet, ruining people's innocence since 1995.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:25:30 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Fred be trappin'?
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:57:23 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
thatsmyfetish.gif
VarioussiteTARDISES ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:57:01 on January 4, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He's even IN one of those gifs!
pandomaria ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 02:25:39 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Never heard of it, but now I'm interested.
iongantas ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 06:36:04 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hmm, I only watch Scooby Doo and variants in the 80's. I am now thinking maybe I should check out this newer version.
timo103 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:43:44 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I wish I could watch it but it freaks me out that they have eyes painted on their skin.
h0bb1tm1ndtr1x ยท 29 points ยท Posted at 22:10:37 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Lol, that is fantastic.
Taco_Bell_CEO ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 23:11:09 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Wow, can anyone help me figure out why you guys hate Scrappy so much? Especially to shit on him in an actual episode?
allwaysnice ยท 28 points ยท Posted at 23:48:06 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Oh have I got the webpage for you.
SpunkyLM ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:40:10 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
At least give a TV Tropes warning... Damnit :(
GeneralLeeRetarded ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 23:37:58 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
To me he was just so vocal and annoying, such a useless character too:/ I liked the grey dog though, Scoobys other cousin or whatever aha
Tundru ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 23:53:04 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
How have I never heard of this show before?
Loki_SW ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 00:22:18 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
I highly recommend it. It's Scooby Doo for adults, lots of references to famous horror franchises. Just one word of caution, the show got cancelled before ending. That said the cast for the show is great with people like Lewis Black, Gary Cole and Patrick Warburton in the supporting roles.
IpodHero178 ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 00:42:17 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Mystery Inc? It did have a proper ending, even though it ended early. They wrapped everything up and tied the show into the original Scooby-Doo series.
Tundru ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 00:26:45 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think the last Scooby Doo show I watched was "whats new scooby doo?" and I was less than impressed with it.
Loki_SW ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 01:15:35 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Give this one a shot, it's very enjoyable. They do a few fun things with the crew like Velma and Shaggy are on and off dating and Fred being oblivious to Daphne flirting with him.
Tchrspest ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 01:33:35 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Is it the one on Netflix with 2 seasons available? I've been meaning to get more Scooby in my life.
Impr3ssion ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 01:39:06 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
There were only 2 seasons made, so it's all there.
tabytomcat ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 01:52:01 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I just checked it out and apparently in Canada netflix only has season 2.
The hell?
Tchrspest ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:04:52 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What the shit? American Netflix has both.
Then again, American Netflix also only has seasons 5 and 6 of Eureka. Which is stupid, because those weren't even the best seasons.
tabytomcat ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:12:49 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Oh netflix, you crazy.
I had to watch saw so very out of order, due to when they got them.
Loki_SW ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:09:27 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, that's it. Enjoy!
GarlicAftershave ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:16:36 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
IIRC they were setting up the next season to take place at Miskatonic U., or at least, an expy version thereof. So much potential... right down the drain.
gooey_marshmallow ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 00:00:23 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Wait a second, they hate Flim Flam too? I mean, I did as well, but lol, he's in jail 25 to life?
oohSomethingShiny ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:13:16 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I might have to check that out.
DiaDeLosMuertos ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:01:58 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Woooooooow
SimplyQuid ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:24:54 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That was actually funny. ... Huh. I might have to look into that.
ABProsper ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:44:31 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Flim Flam!
That was awesome. Thanks.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:31:11 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
REKT
Xemnas81 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:30:10 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The entire live action movie starring Rowan Atkinson was basically Warner Bro.s admitting that Hanna Barbara had created a monstrosity
BGYeti ยท -8 points ยท Posted at 22:11:58 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Why does CartoonNetwork insist on fucking up classics like Teen Titans and Scooby Doo.
JohnDiggle ยท 26 points ยท Posted at 22:21:11 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't think you can equate mystery Inc to Teen Titans go unless you haven't watched even 5 minutes of either series.
Sqiddd ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:44:34 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You havent seen what they've done to scooby doo.
PM_ME_MARE_ANUS_PICS ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 22:36:43 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Mystery Inc. is one of the best Scooby-Doo incarnations ever, unless you are talking about Be Cool, Scooby-Doo.
CoolTom ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 00:54:42 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I can't stand Be Cool. the art style is hideous, and it basically has family guy humor with the extended, meta jokes.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:40:58 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's hard to come by an original idea, they own the rights, some people will just watch because of the title of the show.
All the classics will be ruined with enough time.
Mystery Inc. was decent however.
MoonshineExpress ยท 2434 points ยท Posted at 18:59:25 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The dissapontment of turning on an episode of Scooby Doo as a kid and finding out it was a Scrappy Doo heavy episode..
The_Naked_Snake ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 02:10:43 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Adversely, the hilarity of watching the live action Scooby Doo movie and finding out Scrappy Doo was the surprise evil antagonist; the result of absolutely everyone fucking hating him?
Far from a good movie, but that was a genius move for them to make. As a kid that killed me it was so clever.
GrammatonYHWH ยท 61 points ยท Posted at 20:20:15 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
See, I don't get that. It was an episode of Scooby Doo, and we all knew the ghost or whatever was an unarmed guy in a constume. Scrappy Doo would do what a dog would actually do in this situation - go kick that guy's ass.
ShazbotSimulator2012 ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 00:31:48 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Except around the same time, and for the same reason: because ratings were low, they started switching to villains that were actually monsters instead of people in costumes.
Part of the reason people hate him is probably because he was introduced at the same time they redid a lot of other parts of the show to try to boost ratings.
shnoog ยท 26 points ยท Posted at 23:25:26 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's a children's cartoon and not all of them see the obvious plot formula that adults do. As a cartoon it's not supposed to be entirely realistic.
Scrappy Doo was an annoying little shit.
AltimaNEO ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 03:28:33 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Man, we just wanted to see Shaggy and Scoob get high and eat lots of snacks. Scrappy just went in and fucked it all up.
blueyb ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 22:43:25 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Scrappy Doo episodes were like catching the three stooges, you get all excited, and then... Shemp.
Ninbyo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:55:45 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Nah it's like settling in for your favorite show only to have a breaking news report interrupt it with a story about the new World's Largest Ball of String.
Iwanttofuckadigimon ยท 674 points ยท Posted at 19:32:53 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Seriously? Am I the only one who liked when scrappy was involved? It made the episode funnier and more memorable.
P-P-P-P Puppy Power!!!
MrDrJoshypoo ยท 112 points ยท Posted at 20:21:26 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I was just wondering when he became so hated. I liked him as a kid.
fishcado ยท 55 points ยท Posted at 22:07:39 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Perhaps you didn't grow up in a world pre-scrappy doo. I used to love Scooby-Doo but when they introduced him it took away from the dynamic of the show
[deleted] ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 02:15:36 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think there's only about 5 people left in the world who were, that was in 1979. That's like a hundred years ago.
But seriously I'm pretty sure most people on this site, me included, weren't even alive when Scooby Doo first aired.
Bayou13 ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 05:08:19 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Born in 1967, was definitely alive in 1979 and I too prefer Pre-Scrappy Scooby-doo and pre-Pebbles and Bam-bam Flintstones, which was set in the time I grew up.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:52:15 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
1997 in the house.
Razoride ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:45:04 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
There are dozens of us.
OortClouds ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:34:28 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It was my first sign of media awareness as a child. Scooby-Doo always played on repeat in my countries early morning rotation.
Realising I hated seeing that box and knowing that it was about to pop open and he'd say "I'm scrappy doo!" made me cringe as a six year old.
I also turned my nose up at the end of hook. "you're my happy thought." "I love you dad," child sized barf
elsrjefe ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:19:56 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yah I mean it is way harder from shaggy and scooby to pass a joint and for Fred and daphne to get it on in haunted houses when scrappy is around. But then again was he with Wilma anyways or am I misremembering?
[deleted] ยท 30 points ยท Posted at 20:56:51 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This is how I feel too. I haven't seen it since I was a kid, but I didn't hate him then.
merrickx ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:27:18 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Was it not a live action Scooby Doo movie sequel with scrappy that he got a lot of hate? I dot know.
project_valient ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 22:44:35 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It was the first one, he was the main villain.
Furoan ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 01:27:22 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That was pandering to the already existing hate he had. People HATED Scrappy..and still do. Fuck that dog. Go back to your real father Scrappy, leave Scooby alone.
MrDrJoshypoo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:31:37 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hmm maybe that's part of it. I've never watched the movies.
Kvothealar ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:32:22 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I didn't hate him. I just couldn't watch 2 or 3 episodes in a row about him.
homiej420 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 00:04:40 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Probably the live action movies, cause he kindof sucked in those if i recall
hisblacksmile ยท 40 points ยท Posted at 21:13:36 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The live action movie that just made scrappy doo the actual villain certainly made his character seem much more distasteful. But I agree, as a kid, I enjoyed the cartoon scrappy.
Hirumaru ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 04:42:46 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They made him the villain because he was hated. He wasn't hated because of that film itself.
realsomalipirate ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 07:03:29 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I love that scrappy was the actual villain and it's still one of the most surprising things I've seen in a movie, the movie was still ass though.
spaceman_spiffy ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 23:55:10 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Why could Scrappy talk but Scooby had a speech impediment? These were things that bugged me as a kid and took me out of the episode.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:08:56 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Digimon <3
farts_n_darts ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 23:19:30 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I lived Scrappy! Everybody else is all "Oh no! A ghost" and Scrappy is all "Yeah! Now let's fuck him up!"
venterol ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:25:16 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I admire his attitude, but he usually just dragged Scooby and Shaggy into deeper shit when his "fight 'em!" approach didn't pan out.
thedeadlybutter ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 22:45:06 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Why is there a RIP Osama Bin Laden at the end credits (1:26)?!? Did I miss a joke?
flyblackbox ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:13:43 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
We need answers
Mac30123456 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:26:52 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I feel like most of the people didn't even watch the video because you're the only one who brought this up.
thedeadlybutter ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:12:41 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I sorta skipped around a bit, I dunno how I managed to spot this.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:17:26 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I enjoyed it, but I was 4. I'd probably have thought Jar Jar was the tits at that point, if he had existed.
zeetotheex ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:29:45 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yes. Yes you are.
stoicsmile ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 19:39:08 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I know, right? Like Scooby-Doo was an incredible achievement in children's television before scrappy showed up.
ThirdFloorGreg ยท 28 points ยท Posted at 22:38:27 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You phrased that as if it was meant to be sarcastic, when it is clearly just a fact.
ksanthra ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 12:35:02 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Daphne was the biggest achievement in Children's television at the time.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 21:51:39 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Seriously, people dislike Scrappy? He's the only goddamn competent character on a show about cowardly hippies who can't figure out every "ghost" they encounter is a janitor or groundskeeper who found a movie projector and a mask.
Fred is off trying to have the dream threesome with Daphne and Velma, Shaggy and Scoop apparently have the shittiest dealer in existence who gives them crappy blunts that cause paranoia, and Scrappy is like "hey dumbasses don't worry I got this".
milleniummanp7 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:26:37 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I just love that the advert I got from YouTube was for dog food
RolandTargaryen ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:06:19 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah. As a kid I loved those movies they did too. The Boo Brothers, Reluctant Werewolf, and Ghoul School. Especially the Boo Brothers.
rathemighty ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:09:04 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I also liked Scrappy
ViolentDiplomat ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:23:16 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I liked him as a kid too, Because Scrappy wasn't afraid of anybody. He would always want to fight the villain whereas everybody else was a bunch of pussies.
relentless_beasting ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 22:56:52 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yep. You are the only one. I was always hoping the writers would find a loose premise for catapulting Scrappy straight into the sun.
BeefSerious ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:13:40 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The music really sells it.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:31:59 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Fuck you
snakehawk37 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:57:46 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yea screw this guy Scrappy Doo was awesome. Almost as awesome as Scooby Dumb!
edgar__allan__bro ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:42:55 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm with you. Did not realize that people didn't like Scrappy Doo.
Goldkie52 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 22:47:16 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No I loved scrappy doo he was my favourite character. Edit because I can't spell doo.
kmmontandon ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 00:28:26 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yes.
leonaq98 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:34:04 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
he was okay in the cartoons not in the movie when he was the villain
Al-a-Gorey ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 23:21:04 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This is the first I've ever heard of any Scrappy hate. I was always a fan too.
el_monstruo ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 03:58:50 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Scrappy lover checking in
Dumb_Dick_Sandwich ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 04:15:34 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I liked Scrappy Doo
cfuse ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 06:10:00 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I heard Hitler did.
soulslicer0 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 06:11:45 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Most annoying phrase ever
snickles19 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 06:27:04 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That is a little too sensitive of a song for scrappy doo
Ahaisthatright ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 21:14:54 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm with you I loved Scrappy - doo! Dad a da da daaaaa puppy power!
easy_to_remember1 ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 21:07:12 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Is no one gonna mention this fucking video?RIP osama...
KudzuKilla ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 05:27:27 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I did, I don't understand the hate. I thought he was hilarious!
Idoontkno ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:21:38 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I guess it was because he was almost not scared of everything, even though he really should have been.
venterol ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:23:49 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My thought process was always, "Is Shaggy's shirt green or red this episode?" If red, change the channel immediately.
OortClouds ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:30:38 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The joy of seeing scooby dumb instead was mouth watering
backwardsbunny ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:19:52 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I thought Scrappy Doo worked ok in situations where it was just Shaggy and Scooby. He served as a catalyst for all the hijinks because without him they would have bailed at the first sign of anything spooky. Even though he was annoying, he made sense as a character.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:51:57 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I have trust issues because of that.
FlyingFloyd7 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:47:36 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm with you! The boo brothers movie was my childhood.
DarthWarder ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 22:56:06 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't know how anyone watched that show as a kid, i turned away from it regardless of who was in it. Courage the cowardly dog represent.
ShazbotSimulator2012 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:33:18 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Because compared to other 70's cartoons it was good. Comparing reruns of a 20 year old show to a show that was new at the time doesn't really paint a fair picture.
Darsint ยท 1649 points ยท Posted at 19:19:55 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You know, now that I think about it, he might have been created to deliberately be hated. Consider:
The entire premise of Scooby Doo wasn't just an entertaining bunch of kids catching bad guys. The core of it was investigating the unknown. That there was something terrifying that everyone else assumed was a monster, and despite their fear, they wanted to know the truth. They didn't accept what others told them was true. They would rather brave the danger and find out for themselves.
And here's this foil of a character. Normally we praise characters that are brave and fearless. But this one is also ignorant and ineffectual. He's not afraid of anyone even though he should be, because he has no idea of his own capabilities. Every time a danger comes up, he wants to fight it, despite him knowing absolutely nothing about the enemy he's fighting. It's only through the investigations of the rest of the Scooby Gang that he's able to participate successfully.
Thus, it's a bit of a power play, showing strength and bravery as being nigh useless without the knowledge of the true foe they face.
Hotblack_Desiato_ ยท 1555 points ยท Posted at 20:26:03 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This post constitutes entirely too much intelligence and thoughtful analysis directed at a show about a stoner and his dog, and his rich friend who's always blasted on cocaine and the two women who are always following him around.
Darsint ยท 780 points ยท Posted at 21:15:17 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Please! I could have done much worse. Observe:
The philosophical underpinnings of Scooby Doo emulate the transition of western society to the Age of Enlightenment.
There was a time where we simply accepted any explanation for phenomena outside our knowledge. Demons caused you to sneeze your soul out, and you had to bless the body to keep them from infiltrating. You pack dirt in wounds to disgust the devils of bad health. Lightning was the God's way of expressing his anger at your disobedience, and you should listen to his true follower if you don't want to be struck by his wrath.
It was thanks to philosophers like Locke, Hobbes, Voltaire, Spinoza and the like that we were able to throw the shackles of fear and truly understand how our world works. And they did it through curiosity, experimentation, and reason.
Now we take a look at Scooby Doo. It has very simple characters and it's style of plot doesn't change. But when you take that same plot style apart, you find it is reflecting a much deeper resonation with the fight between fear and curiosity. And that same simplicity of character allows children to focus less on their known heroes and more on the fight to learn what is truly happening.
The dynamic shows itself even more in Scooby Doo: Mystery Incorporated. Not only is the town not grateful for the team's constant mystery solving, they are actively against any mysteries being explored. Because they make money from the tourism.
It is an established interest that gains power from the mysteries. JUST like the established churches during the Enlightenment.
Call it simple if you wish, but Scooby Doo was a formative lesson on the value of seeking the truth, and we should recognize it's impact.
zanderkerbal ยท 171 points ยท Posted at 21:46:52 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Relevant XKCD?
Darsint ยท 36 points ยท Posted at 21:51:45 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ya got me!
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:40:08 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So philosophers shape history?
Darsint ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:15:15 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Everyone shapes history. From the lowly beggar to the richest CEO. Philosophers just focus on the meta-levels of society and the long-term future of us as intelligent sophonts. They attempt to steer the ship of humanity, as it were.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:40:43 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't know if it can be steered. The world moves on, and keeping up is all that politicians and philosophers can do.
Darsint ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:17:12 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ah, but so much of what we take for granted today has it's origins in philosophy. Take America, for example. Most of it's base tenets of government spawned from the philosophies of John Locke. Most of the principles of the scientific method came from the minds of Descartes and Bacon. What we think of as basic human rights were quantified by other philosophers.
They assess and build the basic building blocks of society, and we in turn collaborate and rearrange them to suit our needs.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:44:17 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
In a world without those names, but with all other things equal, I feel that other people would have thought the same thoughts. Ideas are products of their time. People only answer the questions of the day.
Locke, Hobbes, Voltaire, Spinoza. All early-modern philosophers. But they were already a few generations into the modern era. The Renaissance and the Age of Discovery had redrawn the map. How much of democracy can be credited to trade, to potatoes, and to musketry?
It's like how governments and societies are only ever as good as they need to be.
Darsint ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:20:02 on January 4, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Oh I agree. In a world without Pythagoras, we still would have learned of his theorum eventually. It's especially evident when you see discoveries and inventions. There were many similar inventions to Bell's telephone at the time he invented it. When you have many people working in parallel, discoveries become inevitable.
It is important to acknowledge the environment that led them to be able to come up with their ideas, but that does not mean that their contributions were meaningless, or that the work they put their hearts into had no worth.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:45:08 on January 4, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Absolutely. The world is richer for their efforts. :)
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 01:51:46 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This summarizes my English minor really well.
liamliam1234liam ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 08:16:28 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The worst part is even though most English majors worth their salt can immediately see these types of analyses as garbage, such facsimiles are close enough approximations of actual critical theory for it to be impossible to decide the pretender truly knows next to nothing about criticism.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:42:50 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Is there a bot that brings up relevant XKCDs?
If not, somebody needs to make one.
zanderkerbal ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 02:16:13 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No, but there is a bot that gives you statistics on XKCDs you reference.
[deleted] ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 23:56:20 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
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Darsint ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 00:56:10 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ah, the pathos of rationalization. I am well acquainted with it.
If we do not have villains, we must make them, yes? Similar to Voltaire's "If God did not exist, it would be necessary to invent him". And just as Voltaire's God would be needed to ensure civility, our villains would be needed to distract from our own failings.
...except...
How can we know how to improve ourselves without self-reflection?
How can we mature in our interactions with others without knowing how our choices affect others?
How can we focus our energy to benefit ourselves if we do not even know what drives us?
Humanity has long lived with a dual nature. One designed to help allies and one designed to fight enemies. One that reduces suffering and one that inflicts. And the only thing that can distinguish between the ALLIES and the OTHERS is understanding.
And you will not gain that understanding with falsehoods.
keredomo ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 01:19:30 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't disagree, but yet you managed to write about Scooby Doo as a way to discuss philosophy. So wouldn't that "falsehood" (as the show is clearly a fiction) mean we could not gain understanding through it? And if so, then your post would be meaningless. Perhaps it is not "with" the falsehood, so much as through it and the process of introspection. Interesting.
Darsint ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:05:02 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ah, but with Scooby Doo, you KNOW that it is a falsehood. Much like other forms of art, it is a combination of things that are and things that are not. Often times it becomes easier to see the truth of a matter when it is told from another perspective. And the artist can simply create another perspective at will.
keredomo ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:13:45 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
10/10
I wish you were in my theory classes at uni because they would have been so much better.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 09:07:16 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
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Darsint ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:13:48 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Now there's an interesting perspective. Scooby and Scrappy being slaves? The collars on their neck perhaps designating them as property, despite them being thinking sophonts? I could see this being a possibility, perhaps.
But using Occam's Razor, a more likely scenario presents itself.
The Rogers family is incredibly rich (In fact, most of the main characters come from rich families). Every speaking pet except two come from the same bloodline: Scooby Doo, Scrappy Doo, Scooby Dum, Ruby Doo, Mumsy Doo, Dada Doo. The only exceptions are Nova and Professor Pericles, which are also owned by affluent people.
You could indeed simply suggest that only the wealthy could afford speaking pets, but it doesn't answer the nagging question behind all of this: Where do the speaking animals come from? WHY can they speak?
Based on the continuity of the series, I would suggest that instead of being species that just happened to acquire speech, they are uplifted animals that gained their intellect and speech capabilities through genetic manipulation.
This explains not only the rarity of the creatures in the series, but also why they are considered "pets" in the first place. They are a control experiment to see whether these created sophonts can integrate into society successfully.
Now any newly created species would have to have control mechanisms just in case things went horribly awry (like Professor Pericles, perhaps?). So you build into their genetics a predilection towards a particular food. Thus, Scooby Snacks aren't so much an addiction as a leash to ensure that they do no go off the rails.
This does suggest an interesting sideline, though. Why is Norville Rogers also a fan of Scooby Snacks? Is he human himself, or is he another experiment that just happens to look human? When you see the sheer amount of food he and Scooby consume between them, it does make one suspicious.
Darkwolf476 ยท 46 points ยท Posted at 21:55:11 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My God, this sounds like one of those English classes you would fail in college because the professor found a deeper meaning in the color of the drapes on page 24.
Darsint ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 22:14:02 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My Writing 121 class in college associated every story we read with human rights. Including a story on the importance of environmentalism.
It was...interesting.
AlphaOC ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 23:14:12 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This is exactly why I hated english classes in college. I straight up said to my TA that I found it obnoxious that the field creates interpretations of an author's work that are likely outside of the original author's intention. He pretty much admitted it's what the field is about.
I'm all for well constructed arguments, but I dislike college level literature for how it ignores context (that is to say, what the author was trying to write).
IBroughtTheMeth ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 05:36:33 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
For all it's worth, these are usually shitty professors who are either parroting nonsense or trying to push their own ideas/agenda. There are plenty of good college level English professors who are fully aware of context and take it into consideration.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 02:56:47 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The curtains were fucking blue.
elsrjefe ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:31:05 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Oh god what book was this, crime and punishment? My fucking English teacher asked us how many steps he took from the murder.
unabashedepression ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:50:38 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This is really cool, holy shit.
byobbwbbq ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:56:33 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
stavrogin's response to this is my favourite response to that kind of thinking: http://www.metafilter.com/54477/Becoming-Mary-Poppins#1422784
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:38:16 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I read your post in the voice of Stimpy.
Darsint ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:05:34 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Works for me!
TrillianSC2 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:42:55 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I like the way you make words come together.
Day5225 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 09:22:44 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Like, zoinks /u/darsint, how long did that take?
Darsint ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:16:24 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Like, I dunno, man, but after that, I sure could use a scooby snack!
WeHateSand ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:50:45 on January 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I like the cut of your gib.
UncertainAnswer ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:44:49 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I just really like the cartoon...
emmynine ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 22:10:21 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Someone give this man a trophy or some yogurt or something
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:14:47 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Wow
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:17:39 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
i love you
Banzai_Durgan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:01:27 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hey Paul!
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:36:33 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Make the bad man fly.
thwinger ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:41:30 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
K
TBmustang ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:25:52 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
God damn. That was way more insightful than any of the papers I wrote this year for college. Please teach me your ways.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:18:49 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Totally.
Its_cool_Im_Black ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:32:06 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Haha wtf the fuck
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:35:28 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well fuck me.
MenschyJewster ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:07:35 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hmm yes, childish and pedantic.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:33:04 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I would give this essay a C+ at best. You're basically using ideas from both the Enlightenment and the scientific revolution (by your basic thesis of God and the supernatural being a substitute for science and reason), and you're not distinguishing between them clearly. The two are connected, but "curiosity, experimentation, and reason" is more associated with the scientific method than any particular innovation of Enlightenment philosophy. Philosophers have always had curiosity (since the ancient Greeks), they never experiment (or they would be scientists, even today), and it's debatable whether "reason" is exclusive to the Enlightenment. (More accurate to probably say "pure reason divorced from religious influences" and so on.) The basic thesis could be better supported if you invoked scientists instead - Galileo, Laplace, Newton, and so on.
That being said, you can still invoke the Enlightenment angle. There is a seed of a good idea here:
But the analysis is too simple. It would be more interesting to explore: is it really true, that solving the mystery is always a good thing? After all, the solved mystery resulted in the destruction of the tourist resort, potentially resulting in hundreds of lost jobs and collapse of the local economy. So is "reason" and finding out the truth always beneficial? What if there is a benefit in retaining a little bit of mystery in our lives, even in modern secular societies? Why do you think we still like to tell our kids about Santa Claus? Why do magicians like to pretend that they really have mystical powers?
Darsint ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:48:20 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Excellent response!
There are two aspects to this, and I'd like to respond to each of these in turn, if you will.
You are quite correct that The Age of Enlightenment and the scientific revolution are not one and the same. I feel, however, that they are closer than you are implying. Take Francis Bacon, for instance, who promoted empiricism (or inductive reasoning). Or Descartes, who gave us much concerning deductive reasoning. These two alone give us a considerable amount of the principles of the scientific method. You could assert that Enlightenment was only possible because of the scientific method, but that's another argument entirely.
As for the second part, I know of no mystery of any importance ever explained that would have been better had we never known. This is apocryphal, I know, but telling in my mind at least.
Take your examples.
There were so many hoaxes concerning that town that they could have had a tourist trap focused on the exposing of frauds. In fact, noting all the wealth that was up for grabs during all these heists would imply the town is much richer than it was and probably bring in development from outside much easier. Or shoot, theme parks would be easy to build, and every time a new hoax came out, there'd be a new character to add.
With Santa, there's a very practical reason to have kids believe in him: An all-seeing authority figure that hands out what you desire if you follow his rules of being good (Hmmm, where have I heard that story before?). If Santa Claus gave gifts to kids whether they were good or bad, I don't think it's likely he would have gained nearly as much traction as he has. And in that case, we eventually learn that he doesn't exist. The mystery doesn't persist.
Your example of magicians is a far sturdier example. The art of magic is all manipulations of perspective, and while some of us might be able to enjoy it even if they know how it's done (or in my case, especially if I know how it was done), the initial sense of wonder is lost. And if that is what you seek, a return to the feeling of amazement you had as a child, then yes, breaking the mystery robs it of it's power.
The key, I think, is necessity. You could argue that mysteries that preserve a society could be maintained, like nations at war with each other keeping their best weapons hidden. It's important to note, though, that the same things that keep secrets hidden also consolidate power in the hands of those that know, and those same actors don't have to be truly interested in the preservation of society. Thus, if you do have secrets that must be kept, there must be a check on that power. At the very least, those mysteries must be revealed eventually.
But it is a good question, and one that should be explored more fully than this little blurb.
ScalySalmon ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 20:41:38 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Shaggy was a beatnik
Hotblack_Desiato_ ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:14:11 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ah, no.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:28:10 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He was based on Maynard G. Krebs from The Many Loves of Dobie Gill I s. (Who was played by Bob Denver). He was definitely a beatnik.
Windows1798 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 12:57:17 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I know you're joking, but I just want to say that I hate this line of thinking which is so prevalent on reddit. What's wrong with probing deeper into things?
/u/Darsint made a great analysis and came to a valuable conclusion thereby: courage is useless if it is blind and stupid. I am slightly richer as a person for his/her write-up.
Even if Hanna-Barbera never remotely intended what Darsint has argued with Scrappy, would his/her argument suddenly be untrue? I say no, because the analysis was based entirely upon what we've seen in the show. The authors' intentions are irrelevant.
Yes, tinfoily over-analysis can get a bit sillyโ I am a regular at /r/asoiafโ but to me even misguided thinking is still better than ignoring everything around oneself in the belief that it is meaningless.
metalhead1999 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:32:09 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
that was a great description of the show!
imbatmawn ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:53:53 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Fred isn't rich, Daphne is.
Hotblack_Desiato_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:44:32 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't know much of the supposed lore of the show (despite having watched entirely too much of it as a kid), but I do know that there's no way Fred could be as constantly upbeat, confident, and assertive as he is without being coked out of his mind all the time, and there's no way he could afford that unless he were rich.
imbatmawn ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:04:16 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Fred is a stereotype of a dumb blond- he has a one track mind, is not the brightest, and is only looked to because of his upbeat and courageous attitude. His incarnations differ in complexity, with the majority of them not being very complex- but in no incarnation as Fred been rich.
Daphne on the other-hand is not only incredibly rich, but also incredibly complex. She went from being the damsel in distress/ the pretty one/ the love interest to an intelligent, self-driven, and emotionally deep character- as well as a master martial artist. Although not as smart as Velma, or possessing the technological one track mind of Fred, she is arguably the most developed character of the series.
Fred's character itself is upbeat, confident, and assertive. He is supposed to be a dumb blond who is always happy and with a one track mind, but also be a technological genius and inspiring leader due to his limitless courage. He is meant to be the exact opposite of Shaggy- Shaggy is fearful, Fred is courageous. Shaggy is constantly alert, Fred is easy-going. Shaggy puts little effort into things and usually succeeds, Fred puts large amounts of effort and usually fails- both by good/bad luck mostly- etc.
Fan theories on drug use are fine, except for when they contradict the established facts of the show. Fred has never been shown to come from wealth, as well as been shown to lack many skills which have nothing to do with solving mysteries/making traps.
Willyjwade ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:06:48 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Isn't daphne the only rich one?
Hut2018 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 23:42:53 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Good points haha. but he was actually created to boost ratings. He was added to be a "cute" and "funny" character.
Darsint ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:47:38 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Also a distinct possibility. I LOATHED that little unicorn in Dungeons and Dragons, and Snarf from Thundercats was only a little behind.
sedging ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 19:51:42 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
...you high?
fuzzynyanko ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:53:34 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
There was one episode where the kids were actually in danger for their lives. It's the best episode because of the threat
Etaenryu ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:53:26 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So you're saying he's a Chihuahua.
Darsint ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:21:44 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He probably should have been!
jonrock ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:17:30 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I like this idea, but the real reason is much more pragmatic: without a new character as a hook to introduce new story structures, Scooby Doo was simply slated to be cancelled. Source: the head writer.
Darsint ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:22:09 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The head writer of Groo the Wanderer was responsible?
....I feel like I'm taking crazy pills...
jonrock ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:54:05 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well, technically Joe Barbera was responsible, but when you need a pilot script for a cartoon character and you need it guaranteed to be done in one week, no excuses, M.E. is a top choice.
abusybee ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:18:20 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Will be reading this on Lad Bible in about 2 days. "You'll never guess what they said about as Scooby Doo".
iownyou2 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:52:12 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Deep, i like the new perspective
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:33:48 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Nice analysis
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:39:25 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Is there any possibility that he was a trained force user?
iongantas ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:33:19 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Or he could just be a cartoonized yip-yip dog, as many of them act just like that.
Chifrijos ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:22:36 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Like a Chihuahua trying to pick a fight with a Great Dane.
radarthreat ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:55:54 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Bravo, sir wipes away a tear
kasmackity ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:29:15 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You need to spend those intelligence points on something else, homes. Damn.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:29:25 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Nope. You weren't a kid when they first came out, I bet. Mark Evanier created Scrappy-Doo, and he's explained on his website that Scrappy was very, very popular when he first came out, which is why almost all of the Scooby-Doo series after that were retooled to focus on him.
I hate Scrappy-Doo, too, but to the kids back then he was funny.
DukeOfGeek ยท 118 points ยท Posted at 19:01:15 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
One of life's little bright spots.
idkwhattoputasmyname ยท 36 points ยท Posted at 19:53:31 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not gonna lie, that movie got a lot of shit but I fucking loved it
Aweq ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 21:21:09 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm guessing that's a real movie, but damn does it look like a porno.
EsQuiteMexican ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 00:07:53 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's the real deal though. The latest Scooby Doo TV movie actually has a cast that looks out of a porno. The previous one at least had some semi-recognisable actors.
greeklolz15 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 02:08:05 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
At least one of them is doing decent, I'm 95% sure that's Robbie Amell playing Fred and he's not too bad an actor, the rest though they suck
MrNostalgic ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 04:08:57 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
How the fuck did they managed to make Scooby look worse than in 2002?
Karmago ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:28:39 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Did he just say he'll "fuck them up"?
Stef100111 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:59:53 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
when...?
greeklolz15 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:08:51 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"You don't have the scrote" well then
DukeOfGeek ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:27:25 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"And that's how I got left by the side of the road in the desert with my little suit case and no water."
shantastic138 ยท 103 points ยท Posted at 18:35:46 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This should be higher. Even as a kid who religiously watched Scooby-Doo, Scrappy made me homicidal.
mazbrakin ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 19:19:47 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
But is Scooby Doo a part of nerd culture? Everybody likes Scooby Doo, except for Communists.
shantastic138 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:23:30 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What about the Freddie Prinze Jr. Scooby though?!
pharmaSEEE ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 18:59:19 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Caninicidal perhaps
phroz3n ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:32:08 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I used to love watching scooby doo. If an episode with scrappy came on, I'd get so mad I would just turn the tv off and do something else.
MokitTheOmniscient ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 19:13:42 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The Scrappy is basically what OP asks for examples of.
MightyGamera ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:13:15 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Fuck where did the last hour go why did you link that place
Neato ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:13:27 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hour? Consider yourself fortunate. It could be a different year when you emerged.
Bladelink ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:21:14 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Why isn't this at the top for this comment? He's literally the trope namer for characters that ruin a series.
kingfrito_5005 ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 19:20:18 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Making him The villain of the live action movie was brilliant.
Haze95 ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 19:20:37 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Why is Scrappy so hated?
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 19:49:56 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Because he's an obnoxious and smug little prick.
Haze95 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:02:22 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Isn't he just an overly pumped up little dog?
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 03:05:17 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ok, serious answer:
He is constantly being reckless and endangering the group. I have no idea how they weren't all murdered because of his foolish antics. He's like that friend that walks up to the group of 250 lb. skinheads and starts talking shit and leaves you to mediate your way out of an ass-kicking. He has total short-man syndrome. Him being annoying as fuck isn't even close to the worst of his traits.
quasiuseless ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 19:34:21 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Tim Curry really wanted to be in a Scooby Doo movie. He turned the chance down when he learned that Scrappy Doo would be involved. I am sad.
intothemidwest ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 19:54:45 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ahhh, when I was little I loved Scrappy. I think he's was fun and spunky and cute and he livened up what I thought was otherwise an old cartoon.
Ie, probably why everyone hates him.
bijouxette ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 20:36:39 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I also loved Scrappy Doo! Do that's at least 2 of us.
SardonicAndroid ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:48:43 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well shit... there might be dozens of us. Dozens!
shitbadger ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:04:00 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I liked him too I thought scooby doo was boring sometimes and the scrappy doo episodes had more energy/ more modern style of cartoons.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 06:25:10 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You're why we can't have nice things, shitbadger.
jahlove24 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 19:05:51 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
https://youtu.be/YFjpNsEihMw
Start it at 2:23.
horrorshowmalchick ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 20:26:41 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This counts as "nerd culture"?
Pseudogenesis ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 22:25:50 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
โ Lore Fitzgerald Sjoberg, The Book of Ratings
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:29:36 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I always just wondered why he was completely articulate, despite being a asshat, while Scooby-Doo still was all dog like. Was Scooby just retarded or something?
Largenlumpy ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 19:34:27 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They introduced scoobys siblings and cousins throughout the series. They were all similar to Scooby. My theory is that scrappy was either the end of either a eugenics experiment that involved massive inbreeding or a deal with Satan.
lyla2398 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:05:35 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Trope namer.
Original_Sedawk ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 17:56:43 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Came here for Scrappy doo.
beretbabe88 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:23:57 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
YES! He was my first thought too. Other hated characters of nerd/cult shows that spring to mind:
Wesley in Star Trek TNG Neelix Star Trek Voyager Adric in Doctor Who Chloe Webber in Doctor Who Cousin Oliver in the Brady Bunch Beau ( Travolta's replacement) Welcome Back Kotter Jar Jar Binks Star Wars Urkel Family Matters
Wallace_II ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 19:21:53 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Why am I the only one who likes him?
Gathorall ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:38:31 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They even made the live action movie hinge on how terrible the character is.
MickCollins ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:48:44 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
There was a girl that I dated in high school for a few months. She loved Scrappy Doo. I'm not saying that's the only reason I stopped seeing her, but I'm saying it was a factor. That and she was batshit Eyetalian crazy....
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:32:52 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Why does everybody hate Scrappy Doo? I thought he was alright. At least he actually stood up to the monsters.
Bagellord ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:35:02 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Am weird for liking scrappy doo?
NateNMaxsRobot ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:47:41 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yes! Scrappy is a fucking abomination.
boogswald ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:15:47 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Can I ask why? I don't think I watched Scooby Doo at an old enough age for him to bug me.
Gyvon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:18:14 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The trope is literally named after him.
mashington14 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:19:20 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So when I was a kid I loved Scrapppy. I just found out like last year that I was the only one :(
hamlet9000 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:24:29 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Despite the later hatred of the character, Scrappy boosted ratings and saved the show, allowing enough episodes to be made for a syndication package.
Without Scrappy, most people would have never seen the show at all.
Butwhyistherumgone_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:48:36 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
downvoted
MrFlappyHands ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:05:14 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I actually liked Scrappy Doo. Apart from movie Scrappy Doo. Movie Scrappy Doo is a douchebag.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:18:23 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
yes. HATED him.
vicemagnet ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:45:19 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Also: Bat Mite.
pigi5 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:53:38 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Fun Fact: Scrappy-Doo actually increased Scooby-Doo viewership when its ratings were falling.
Dark_Eyes ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:11:23 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He is seriously the worst. I always hated him but I never really knew why.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:24:59 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't get why the gang never let him fight the monster of the week.
Either he wins, in which case they can take the rest of the day off, or he dies, in which case... Scrappy Doo is dead.
Beatful_chaos ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:29:36 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Deserves so much more hate than Jar-jar.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:30:38 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I hate Scrappy, on the other hand I liked his retarded cousin or brother who was a large white dog, and wore a hat I think.
NaughtyMallard ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:14:57 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm going to be honest here I hated Scobby Doo as a kid but fucking loved Scappy, Take that society. /r/firstworldanarchists
TakeOffYourMask ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:19:08 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What do you think "nerd culture" is?
ownage99988 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:24:27 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
R u fukin serious? I love scrappy doo
iminnola ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:35:17 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Fuck that guy.
AcidicOpulence ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:46:11 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Satans own ankle biter
juanes3020 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:19:39 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I literally just read it without the S
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:28:14 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Does anybody else remember Scooby Dum (dumm, dumb, etc. ?) he was in like three episodes I saw a a kid and I absolutely hated him.
traizie ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:33:59 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I never knew Scrappy Doo was so hated until I came to the internet. I liked him as a kid, or was at least indifferent. I thought he was funny.
notbobby125 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:53:53 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Scrappy Doo has nothing on Scooby Dum, Scooby Doo's hillbilly inbred cousin.
CortaNalgas ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:00:48 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
During a family trip I made my parents change the channel so I could watch the season premiere of Scooby Doo--the episode where they introduced Scrappy. Never have I been more embarrassed and ashamed.
Lefthandedwolf ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:12:11 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
For as crude and stupid as the Scooby Doo movie was, and a waste of the great Rowan Atkinson, the twist of the film's villain being Scrappy Doo was perhaps more ingenious than the film was allowing itself.
InfectedShadow ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:20:03 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I loved scrappy
YoungAdult_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:52:48 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I loved how in the movie, he was the villain.
CharlestonChewbacca ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:32:30 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I love Scrappy... :(
Roebuck527 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:41:25 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Came here to post this, gg.
IfinallyhaveaReddit ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:12:48 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I love scrappy doo, my first intro to him was the ild halloween special at an ghouls and monsters sorority where all the girls/students were actual vampires and mummies, scrappy was on point in that
mrsoojay ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:48:02 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Godzooky needs to be mentioned here too. TV execs thinking kids want childish crap. No, we wanted to see a giant fucking lizard destroy all the things.
eastbayted ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:16:24 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Emphasis on the crappy.
eaterofworld ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:46:44 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Fucking hell, I really didn't know how much people hated Scrappy. When I was a kid I just thought he was funny. Like, yeah, he was too headstrong, could be annoying, and blissfully ignorant of his limitations, but that shit was fucking funny to me.
Renn_Capa ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:12:24 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Just the name triggers me!
StormRider2407 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:04:02 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My wife hates him so much that if I quote or imitate him, she gets really pissed off and won't talk to me.
TED4000 ยท 100 points ยท Posted at 21:22:02 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
That Thalos preacher in Whiterun
Man fuck that guy
[deleted] ยท 60 points ยท Posted at 01:07:46 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
WE ARE BUT MAGGOTS
VarioussiteTARDISES ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:29:07 on January 4, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So where's the Soldier now?
[deleted] ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 07:32:49 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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HalkiHaxx ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 13:56:12 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Fun fact. It means ignorant in old norse. Draugr means ghost but was used for other things that came from the dead.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:27:17 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That was fun, cheers mate
bigwillyb123 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 14:58:52 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He's doing Talos's work. Very few others in the world of Skyrim would have the balls to call the Thalmor out on their bullshit, right in the middle of the central city of the province. He would have been executed in minutes in Solitude.
TED4000 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:03:31 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Executed in minutes once I find him
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:28:38 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You put up his preaching for minutes?
You are a brave man
purplepenguinpants ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 08:55:17 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
much like the guy above and his ritual with Nazeem I kill him in every single game. Usually I hide his body under the nearby bridge..
Once a guard happened upon me while I was stuffing him in there and he's just like.. "Let me guess... someone stole your sweetroll." and I'm just like Yes. Heimskr stole my goddamn sweet roll.
TED4000 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 09:40:57 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hide in bush, hit with fury spell, enjoy rest of game
squid-squid ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:41:54 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
i always kill the riverwood love triangle and drag their bodies into the river
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:59:23 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Faendals a great bro though. But thag nordic bard was super annoying.
TheGo0n ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 08:37:04 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
TAMRIELLLLLLLLLLLLL
BlockMeAmadeus ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:03:19 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I killed him in his house at about level 15, then promptly forgot about him until level 30 when I saw someone standing by the statue and drew Mehrunes' Razor out of reflex.
Red-Fox14 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:12:25 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
emBRACE the power of my, ASS, man.
[deleted] ยท 1714 points ยท Posted at 17:28:27 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
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๐๏ธ proggybreaks ยท 892 points ยท Posted at 17:34:36 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think Joffrey belongs in the second category as well.
Wazula42 ยท 732 points ยท Posted at 21:55:48 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I always wanted to see Joffrey and Draco Malfoy have an entitled bitchy blond catfight.
"My father will hear about this!"
"I am your king!"
meus_ventus_semper ยท 264 points ยท Posted at 00:48:00 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This is why we need Celebrity Deathmatch back.
ricree ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 09:47:30 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
On the other hand, ERB?
SRPinPGH ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 12:55:29 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hell yes!
07hogada ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 02:06:46 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Pretty sure there was a post about this on /r/whowouldwin a while back. It was concluded that Joffrey wins the bitch off.
bibliopunk ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 00:23:19 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't think Draco would last very long in that fight.
toomanyattempts ยท 32 points ยท Posted at 00:29:53 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He can do magic and shit though - or is this just a bitch-off?
Rapier_and_Pwnard ยท 42 points ยท Posted at 02:22:54 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah malfoy was a douchebag, but he was very competent. All Joffrey could do was call for guards and shoot unarmed prostitutes.
not_AtWorkRightNow ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 06:22:21 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Draco actually turned out not to even be that big of a douchebag. Like, he was just raised around so much shit. By the time he reached adulthood, he was actually a pretty ok dude.
Rapier_and_Pwnard ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:49:12 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Agreed
[deleted] ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 02:32:47 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He is a pretty decent swordman.
But a single expelliarmus takes care of that
notbobby125 ยท 27 points ยท Posted at 03:08:37 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Where do you get the idea that Joffrey is competent with a sword? The closest Joffrey got to having any kind of sword fight was when Ayra punches him in the face and steals his sword away.
CodyTheAwesomeOne ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 03:34:52 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
as opposed to ironing or silvering his sword away.
subarctic_guy ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 05:11:03 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He killed the shit out of that book Tyrion gifted to him.
notbobby125 ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 05:13:19 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
With a Valyrian sword. That is like shooting a barn that you are inside and then declaring yourself a marksman.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 04:24:23 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
From the books were he fight with the other kids at winterfell. And he goes about even with Robb who is older than him.
KittyMulcher ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 06:16:37 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If your dad is Jaime Lannister you're going to be a pretty good swordsman especially and not inspite of how cunty you are.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:13:39 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Book Joffles was supposed to be a competent fighter.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:50:49 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Shoot? Wtf?
subarctic_guy ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:14:01 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'd like to see Umbridge and Tywin try to destroy one another.
rayn_phal ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 06:16:02 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Dude, umbridge dies HARD. She was only powerful because she was handed authority. Tywin TAKES what he wants and if you are in his way you better hope you aren't getting married soon.
tingwong ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:08:45 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'd like to see Tywin and Umbridge work together
subarctic_guy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:51:34 on January 4, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
O .o
vewltage ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:55:40 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Or on Epic Rap Battles Of History.
TheJack38 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:14:40 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This is the perfect matchup for the next Epic Rap Battles of History...
tingwong ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:07:15 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Joffrey would fuck Draco up
ud_patter ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:42:34 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"Well I didn't vote for you, how did you become king anyway?"
DeseretRain ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:28:34 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Welp. Now literally all I want is fanfiction of Draco fucking Joffrey's virgin ass. Does this exist yet?
CptBackfire ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 18:29:56 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ramsay too for that matter.
JimHadar ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 20:30:35 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Book-Ramsay yes, show-Ramsey is a 1 dimensional caricature.
MikeyB67 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 01:59:24 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Show-Ramsay's got Sir Twenty of House Goodmen to back him up.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:38:38 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
As well as Kai Winn and Grant Ward.
dossier ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:02:00 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Nah, people like to hate him. People hate jar-jar for other more terrible reasons. People dislike Joffery since he is a pretentious lil cuntbag.
lord_james ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:58:40 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Umbridge is worse. Joffrey is evil, but incompetent. Umbridge knows exactly what she's doing, and comes this close to pulling it off. If she'd just turned Harry in to the minister instead of falling for Hermione's ploy about "Dumbledore's secret weapon", shot would be very different.
tingwong ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:06:53 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hail King Joffles, the first of his name
Shanicpower ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:39:31 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'd put Light Yagami there as well. He's way worse than Joffrey. (Yes, I just read Death Note Volume 7)
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:47:23 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I...I like Joffrey.....
my_name_is_worse ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 23:09:23 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
u fuckin wot m8
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 00:03:37 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's just the Stockholm syndrome talking.
Dapplegonger ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 03:42:49 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I still think Hayden Christensen could have done well if he was given proper direction and good lines. I mean, who actually did well in those movies? Ewan McGregor and Ian McDiarmid, and that's about it. Fucking Liam Neeson and Sam Jackson both fell flat, it's hard to blame actors for how poorly that movie turned out.
FizzleMateriel ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 04:15:20 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Natalie Portman was also pretty mediocre.
Christopher Lee did well just like McGregor and McDiarmid, but that's because he's such an experienced actor and his lines weren't complete shit.
It was definitely a problem with the direction and the script.
Dapplegonger ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 04:35:45 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He did well, but his character was so flat. He was at the end of AotC and the beginning of RotS with no mention in TPM and I think one line about him before he showed up. And then we were supposed to feel something when Anakin killed him?
But yeah, I guess if you look past how bad the character was, the acting wasn't bad.
FizzleMateriel ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 04:54:30 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You're right, maybe I'm being too generous. Basically the character did the job but really the pacing could have been better to develop the character as more than just a bad guy with seemingly no personal motivation to do the things he'd been doing. Christopher Lee's potential was probably wasted.
Also now that I think about it, it's weird how Dooku never said anything about Palpatine being a Sith Lord even as Palpatine was barking at Anakin to execute him. Especially since Sith are meant to be self-serving and there's a tradition of them killing their masters.
I think the problem with Dooku is emblematic of the whole trilogy, it seems Lucas didn't do a lot of planning for how things would unfold which lead to underdevelopment of characters and inconsistent/bad pacing.
Dapplegonger ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 05:12:05 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think he was just in shock. Keep in mind, he's kind of the head honcho of the Separatist army (explained more in the Clone Wars animated series), so he feels like he's valuable to Sidious (and he knows that Palpatine and Sidious are the same person, based on his lines in AotC). He's basically the Darth Vader of the prequels in terms of his role in the enemy army, and you can see the parallels when he cuts off Anakin's hand in AotC and when Anakin gets the chance to kill him in RotS (could have been an amazing moment had the relationship between Dooku and Anakin been expanded more, seeing as how the moment it paralleled in the OT was so powerful). So Dooku thinks Palpatine will just call Anakin off.
Little does he know that Sidious wants to take Anakin as his apprentice. So he has Anakin kill him to get him to turn to the Dark Side, just like he does with Luke in RotJ. Had the potential to be an amazing moment, but it, along with most of the other brilliant ideas in the prequels, just fell flat because of how little development they were given.
Back on topic, Dooku was just shocked, and didn't know what to say. He was just expecting to be taken prisoner and be rescued again, which happened a lot in the Clone Wars. But now it's changed, and the tables have turned, and he just feels betrayed and is just dumbfounded. But of course, it's hard to understand that moment without any sort of development, and when the movie came out in 2005, I'm sure it fell flat just like everything else about those movies.
MoodyMoony ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 20:24:03 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No, Anakin was good (ish) in ROTS, he was bad in I and II though
Pangolin007 ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 21:04:06 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Am I the only one who really liked the prequels? :/
[deleted] ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 00:16:19 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No, if you go on /r/starwars and search "prequels" there are plenty of threads backing them
RyanB_ ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 06:18:44 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No, people who grew up with them generally like them.
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 05:24:37 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Generally speaking, if you were really young when the prequels came out you like them. You were too little to realize how crappy they are. Jar Jar is goofy and funny, not annoying and out of place. Anakin is deep and thoughtful, not angsty and whiny. And the bright lights, big battles, and lightsabers were all that really matter anyway.
The older crowd not so much.
RyanB_ ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 06:18:17 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm younger and strongly dislike them, having only watched them for the first time about a year ago. My friends all like the prequels tons, but I definitely think it's just because I grew up with them. Hell, I liked Shadow the Hedgehog when I was a kid.
newxid22 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:39:49 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
How old are you?
RyanB_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:51:28 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
18
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 08:53:14 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I really like Revenge of the sith. The other two, not so much.
Jigsus ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 12:54:01 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Everyone who was young then loved the prequels. Old salty fans hated them and they are the most vocal group.
Lucas even said he made a movie for kids.
lemlemons ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:43:49 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
yep
HandicapperGeneral ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:29:37 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Man, talk about low hanging fruit on both counts
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 07:16:19 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Think im gonna have to second Umbridge. Olly/tammy suck, sure. Joffrey is an entitled cretin, great. The preacher chick from the mist was obnoxious as fuck but Umbridge, man, she struck a chord with me. As someone who usually roots for the bad guys in movies (and when I was younger I thought the death eaters were cool as shit), Umbridge will always be my most hated character.
TheRedBull28 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:36:58 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I hate myself for this, but when I was a kid, I thought he was the pinnacle of cool
Pokegamer ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 04:37:37 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's cause Hayden Christianson's Anakin was the pinnacle of cool.. Jake Lloyd's Anakin wasn't as good, but not terrible for a child actor...
littlewildone92 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 09:22:24 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
UGHHH Umbridge. Thank fuck for Fred and George otherwise I would have probably threw up in the book and then, a few years later, also threw up at the TV screen.
Keundrum ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:50:33 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They did it pretty well in the 3rd one.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:58:07 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I thought he was pretty awesome in the third. He did very well with the whole evil thing
WhitePaladinShield ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:15:33 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Movie Prof. Umbridge is the best love-to-hate character I can think of.
A++
EatMaCookies ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:28:49 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I hated how Anakin's accidental saving of the day just happens like that. OOPS!
Moglinlover ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:32:15 on January 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hey......
Anakin is pretty good in Revenge of the Sith
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 19:53:10 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
give the prequels another shot. I rewatched it and it's actually unfairly maligned. check out my post about them here
RyanB_ ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 06:21:13 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I always skip Episode 1 and still really dislike the prequels. Episode III is the best of them, but all of them still suffer from many issues which degrades their quality as films by themselves, never mind prequels to Star Wars.
Hardin_of_Akaneia ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:48:04 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
4 5 2 3 6
onehandclapping73 ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 01:57:33 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hats off to the casting director though, the adult version of an skin is a perfect reflection of the young version. Neither could act their way out of a paper bag. Thumbs up for continuity!
[deleted] ยท 4915 points ยท Posted at 16:43:13 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Emo Peter Parker
Serath62 ยท 2150 points ยท Posted at 17:31:08 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Some finger guns for you, sir
[deleted] ยท 1453 points ยท Posted at 18:46:57 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm surprised to see actual debate over whether this was meant to be funny. The women are cringing and getting away from him as quickly as possible. It's obviously a gag.
A note about Spider-Man 3 in general though: it was far from the movie Sam Raimi wanted to make. He thought Venom was a one-dimensional character and wanted to avoid putting him in his films completely but pressure from the studio as the result of fanbase demand forced his hand. If you pay attention to the build-up of the previous two movies, there's a strong case for the Lizard being meant for the villain slot in the third movie.
ObviousMagikarp ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 19:31:42 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If you don't mind my asking (and because I'm horribly lazy), what were the strong cases in particular?
[deleted] ยท 38 points ยท Posted at 19:36:20 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Doc Connors shows up in the second movie complete with missing arm. I thought I recalled some mention of his reptilian research in the movie too, but I apparently imagined it now that I look it up. He was the planned villain for the scrapped Spider-Man 4, though.
ObviousMagikarp ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 19:37:36 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeesh, it's been a while since I saw the movies then, definitely missed/forgot about that
iDork622 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 21:12:38 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I thought the Vulture was planned for Spider-Man 4?
chace604 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 22:16:49 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think they both were supposed to be.
Gathorall ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 19:35:03 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well, Venom eventually gets more interesting, there's just not nearly enough time to get to that in one movie.
ive_noidea ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 20:50:12 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What I wouldn't give for Venom to get his own series, culminating in Venom Vs. Carnage ;_;
SoundOfDrums ยท 306 points ยท Posted at 19:26:20 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It was meant to be funny, but it doesn't make sense for a witty and sarcastic character's traits to be enhanced along those lines.
Unless Peter was doing all of that to be ironic...which clearly isn't what was acted.
Boomanchu ยท 490 points ยท Posted at 20:06:47 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I seem to recall it being said in the commentary that that whole wannabe rock star thing was what someone as lame as Peter Parker would think is cool.
buttertost ยท 335 points ยท Posted at 21:34:41 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's kind of the point, the symbiote was making him feel all juiced up and cool, and only he would see that as something someone cooler than himself would do. I honestly don't know why this scene is hated because people found it uncomfortable. It was supposed to be awkward to watch
Televisions_Frank ยท 38 points ยท Posted at 23:29:02 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, the symbiote can't really corrupt Peter so much as make him kinda douchey. His ideas of what would make him evil are... lame.
Neveronlyadream ยท 47 points ยท Posted at 01:31:47 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"Haha! I bought a pretzel from a street vendor and then threw it in the garbage! I am truly evil!"
"Dude, whatever Peter. You wanna waste your money, go right ahead."
"And next, I'm going to walk with my shoelaces untied! Can anyone stop my nefarious schemes?!"
ScoobyDoobyDrew ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 03:21:46 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Talk to anyone who thinks destroying collectables is a crime and you'll get a much different response.
Neveronlyadream ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 03:22:36 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'd love to meet the person who considers a street pretzel a collectible.
UpTheIron ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:33:29 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hi
RankFoundry ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 02:37:14 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Because it goes from making his idea of what's cool being lame and people reacting like he's a freak to it actually being cool in the jazz club scene where he's doing this cringe worthy, over the top dance routine.
Everyone in the club is loving it, some blond chick looks like she wants to fuck him right there and then?
So outside he's a dork but in that club the exact same behavior makes everyone love him? It's dumb.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:13:37 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Now dig on this
SheerBliss ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:51:00 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So it was a pinga suit?
CeiIingCat ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:16:33 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The part that made this theory for me was when he brushed his hair, then looked at himself and pushed down the bangs. You could literally hear him think "Yeeeah...cool. (โโ _โ )"
TheBlackBear ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:20:39 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I guess it's kind of like how everyone hates Peggy Hill. That's the point of the character.
DrSmoke ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 00:26:14 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Because most people are too dumb to "get it" and half of them think Venom is "cool"
[deleted] ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 00:21:02 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's what I was thinking after watching the scene. The symbiote fed into Peters ego and he felt like he was the coolest thing since sliced bread. He was a loser before he became Spider-Man though, so he really has no idea how to act cool. The beginning of the first movie shows him being picked on in school. It seems like he was acting how "cool" people do in movies, and was oblivious to how cringeworthy it was.
DrSmoke ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 00:27:02 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This is exactly the point of the scene. Neither Parker, nor the alien know what it means to be "cool on Earth" .
DrSmoke ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 00:25:37 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Its supposed to be like that. The Venom suit can't "make you cool" its a fucking alien. It doesn't know what "cool" is, and neither does Peter Parker.
You're supposed to watch that scene and think "Oh, the venom suit is bad".
SoundOfDrums ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 00:52:34 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So, despite it saying in the movie that it amplifies traits, we're going to say that generic bad is the same as that? Why not make him a sarcastic ass to everyone to the point of being obnoxious? That would make actual sense.
TheWrongHat ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:33:57 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The only thing I thought watching that scene was "Oh, this movie is bad."
I don't think that was the desired effect.
DiaDeLosMuertos ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:07:07 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They beat us over the head with the 'venom in Peter=bad' thing.
GamingWithBilly ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:21:12 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Its actually a self destructive approach to coping with the loss of Mary Jane. Many people go into denile and try to vent that frustration by changing their entire wardrobe and identity. Venom feeds off of negativity and wants to promote this shitty character, which leads to a complete asshole character that hits Mary Jane with his back hand. Its such a sudden event that it had a direct emotion on the audience when i went and saw it. Everyone said audibly "oooooh!" When the hit happens, that it made everyone laugh because we all had the same reaction. So while the emo peter parker is cringy, it is a sort of logical look at someone very hurt from being separated and trying to move on. Then Venom makes him cocky and a fucking asshole. Classic Venom move.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:30:44 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's exactly what venom does though.
Cat-penis ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:18:00 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The real issue is they shouldn't have been going for funny at all. Yeah Marvel movies have their share of humor which is fine but theres a time for humor and theres a time for suspense and they fucked it up.
SoundOfDrums ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:19:20 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm fine with funny, but they should have done it in typical Spider-Man firm: Wit.
DrSmoke ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:27:35 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Uh.. yes they should. The whole Spiderman series is lighthearted. That's how its supposed to be. Venom is a shit character.
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 22:45:20 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No it was suppose to be sandman. It was suppose to be sandman only though.
Idk about Venom being a one dimension character or not but he is super important to spiderman with people from my age group.
valdus ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 00:59:02 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This is Reddit. Most of the people responding don't know how to read women's facial expressions or body language.
MoonDaddy ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 21:56:31 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
As a comparison, I don't think anyone is complaining about Joker in The Dark Knight as being one-dimensional, which he clearly is.
brendanp8 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:25:47 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
BlackMantecore ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:46:41 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
how come everyone hated that one dude as Venom? He seemed okay to me.
kjohnny789 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 01:01:13 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's not that any of the villains were bad in spiderman 3. Its that they added 3 completely unrelated villains, and put them into a 2 hour time slot. There's just no time for any kind of character development. These are people/things with backgrounds, stories, motives, and we didn't get to see any of that. We just saw them do random bad stuff in between peter parker going through a phase. That's why the movie sucked.
TooBadFucker ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:14:22 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I always assumed that's where they'd take it since they bothered to give Dr. Connors screen time
Don_E_Ford ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:08:23 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I thought Topher did an alright job considering what he was given and should have never been cast.
herman666 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:21:23 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's actually the problem. It was meant to be funny and cringy. It wasn't funny. Just painful to watch.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:54:45 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
IIRC Lizard was also the boss of the game, whereas the other two lined up moreso with the story of the movie than the third one.
VincentHart ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:28:13 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think the point is that Raimi had nothing good to pull from this movie. It was crap. Like. As in crap in its original meaning. The sound of a fat juicy fucking turd loudly clapping onto the floor of an empty outhouse. Or empty theater by this point.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:56:44 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
fucking sony
ImperialSympathizer ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 21:12:50 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It was clearly MEANT to be funny, just like Jar Jar Binks was meant to be funny. That's why it's so incredibly cringey.
DrSmoke ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:28:42 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No, Jar Jar literally existed only to sell merch to little babies.
Relevant_Truth ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 23:01:27 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Venom is by "nature" not a one-dimensional character though. So even there he was wrong.
DrSmoke ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 00:28:23 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, he is. Venom is a shite character.
๐๏ธ proggybreaks ยท 1616 points ยท Posted at 17:37:45 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
How?? Just... How did this go through multiple levels of writing, directing, and quality control, and not be vetoed at any step??
wait_watches ยท 2123 points ยท Posted at 17:43:15 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think it was intentional? To show how awkward Peter was or something.
I read about it somewhere, but I don't remember exactly what it said.
TrueKingOfDenmark ยท 1536 points ยท Posted at 18:10:20 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think you're right, they made it like that to show how much of an idiot it made him. Horribly obvious to everyone but him, he thinks he's cool because it made him so narcissistic.
SUCKSTOBEYOUNURD ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 19:44:53 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Peter Parker didn't know what cool was. Emo Peter was cool in his mind, but he's even more of a loser to everyone else
brinz1 ยท 54 points ยท Posted at 21:58:25 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Just think about it for a second, the symbiote took away all peter's self doubt and made him arrogant.
The thing is, a black alien goo has no knowledge of what cool is on earth, so what you have is a nerd who has just as little understanding of being cool trying to act cool as hard as he can.
With that massive amount of effort and zero direction, of course he is going to come off looking like an ass.
You are supposed to hate symbiote Spiderman, you are supposed to cringe and get angry at it.
endlessben ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 01:51:23 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Sure, but then there is a musical number.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:37:34 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They could have done it in a million better ways then walking down the street dancing around
brinz1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:23:44 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
are you saying there is a way they could have made it where you hated it more?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:20:59 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They could have him be ridiculous confident and cocky at a bar, but instead of having a girl love him, have her turn him off or have a boyfriend or something. Have Peter be completely blind to her saying no (who would say no to spider man?) and maybe have him even beat up her boyfriend. Then you could have him almost rape her before finally clueing in whats going on.
brinz1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:28:33 on January 4, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
see, I think thats is a little too far. I would rather see parker be a cringe fest then someone like that
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:51:29 on January 4, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's not parker, it's the symbiote. It's parker that eventually comes too and fights it.
brinz1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:10:12 on January 4, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
its parker under the influence of the symbiote. The symbiote gives him new power and confidence but overwhelms his moral compass.
Paddy_Tanninger ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:01:55 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Whatever idea they were trying to convey with this...scene...it didn't work for me or 99% of audiences.
Trust me, we didn't all "not get it", we just thought that "it" was horribly done.
slayerje1 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:20:45 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yes. All of the awkward Peter Parker scenes could've been done in a better way... I know because any other way was better than the one that was chosen.
brinz1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:09:08 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The problem was, especially in the mid 2000s, is that being all dark and edgy was still very popular. Raimi didnt want a dark edgy spiderman, he didn't want a spiderman who embraced his inner darkness or became the spider punisher and he sure didnt want anyone in the cinema thinking it was cool or badass. Especially, at the time, that sort of cool, edgy thing was all the rage.
So he did just that. He showed the world what happens when a nerd tries to act cool and cranked it to 11
SilasTheVirous ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 20:11:55 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It reveals how confident he feels and how awkward he was, that he has no clue how to be cool, he's acting how he thinks it feels for others to be cool. I never knew anyone took that scene seriously wow.
helpmesleep666 ยท 331 points ยท Posted at 18:37:29 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Totally.
They just did a really awful job.. all around.
DubEnder ยท 99 points ยท Posted at 21:09:38 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Or a great job? The whole point is to make Peter the cringemaster.
helpmesleep666 ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 22:28:23 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The whole movie was cringemaster.. This part made my balls recede back into my abdomen.
DubEnder ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 01:01:58 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Just yesterday I had a hydrocelectomy, and I'm afraid my balls filled back up with fluid.
MobthePoet ยท 92 points ยท Posted at 21:01:23 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I really loved this part. He doesn't know how to be cool, that's literally the point.
Not every "cool" character has to be the same level as James Bond, this is nerdy ass Peter Parker thinking he's all edgy now, and I fucking love it.
Plus it's funny unless you're trying way too hard to be a stickler, but that's your own fault.
QuicktimeSam ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 21:35:07 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Everyone's a harsh critic, I enjoyed the films. I'm pretty easy to please though.
GrollTheLicker ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:13:54 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'll never forgive them for ruining venom.
I waited my enitre childhood and half my teenage years for a live action showdown of venom and spidey. I got Topher Grace with and a spiderman with no quips.
Was awful.
bmwatson132 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:50:31 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Totally, the real Venom was only in the movie for like 20 minutes, and he gets destroyed like a bitch without much of a fight. I'm really hoping with Marvel Studios help that Sony can figure out what the fuck they're doing with that franchise and make an awesome Venom vs. Spidey movie.
helpmesleep666 ยท -8 points ยท Posted at 22:27:48 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The movie actually may have contributed to me getting testicular cancer it was so bad.
NotJustDaTip ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 23:55:06 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Oh man, that's like, one of the worst cancers too.
Naf5000 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:10:42 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And /u/helpmesleep666 doesn't even have balls!
[deleted] ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 02:29:42 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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realmadrid2727 ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 04:34:10 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Checking him out? Literally every woman in that clip looks at him like he's doofy and/or creepy. You really can't tell?
[deleted] ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 03:52:16 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If you think that's what "checking out" looks like then I'm so sorry for you.
optimis344 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 02:34:10 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The thing is that the movie didn't have a way to show that the side effects of the suit were real bad.
The whole joke of it is that a guy like Brock gets it and he becomes a giant rage monster made of muscle and teeth.
But with Peter, the worst he can get is being a 1920 jazz guy. The whole Joke is that the worst version of Peter is just a slightly more annoying Peter Parker, while a kind of jerk becomes a death machine.
But they failed to show it to anyone who didn't know stuff going in.
XxThumbsMcGeexX ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 07:47:31 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I dunno man. They made him so awkward that you actually felt hate for a character you were... supposed to hate.
Sam Raimi is always good at nailing a certain emotion, and amplifying how much you're supposed to feel it.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:49:46 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe if they had parts with the music playing, then parts without.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:26:00 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It was written poorly. From my viewpoint, it's just phoned in. It was cast poorly, this scene is out of Toby's reach. Then again you don't drop your lead in the third act, so this again brings me back to point number one. It was performed poorly... It would've been hard to make this scene read right regardless, but Toby just couldn't do it.
blind3rdeye ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 01:18:06 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What exactly do you think they were trying to do?
I thought he did a fine job of looking like a fool who's overflowing with self-confidence but with no sense of what's cool. Wasn't that the point?
Skiddywinks ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:28:27 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Clearly he was just being a fool, overflowing with self-confidence, but no sense of style or cool, wrong.
Chicago_Blackhawks ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:19:13 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's what makes it good though
CraftyCaprid ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:23:05 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
FTFY
behindtheselasereyes ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:44:13 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
like cocaine. god people on cocaine annoy me.
Woyaboy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:02:18 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
See, this makes perfect sense to me because even the reactions on the girls faces are like "wow, that was god awful", we all feel the exact same way but instead of questioning just how much Peter has lost it, we question if it's the director whose lost it.
NBegovich ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:28:21 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's an insult to Sam Raimi that people A. do not understand this scene or B. pretend to not understand it.
MasterDefibrillator ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:35:31 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I mean, it's not like it's subtle. How do people not get this.
sonofaresiii ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 18:55:58 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
just because they had a reason for a dumb, shitty part in a movie
doesn't make it not a dumb, shitty part.
TrueKingOfDenmark ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 19:01:12 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It may be dumb and shitty. But if there's a reason for it, I'm able to laugh at it more than dislike it. There's a difference to a character being shitty and a character being dumb.
sonofaresiii ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:07:45 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And in this movie, Emo Peter was both.
I don't really understand your argument. Name your worst movie. Would it surprise you if I told you the writers had a reason for doing the things you hated about it? Would you all of a sudden like it if I pointed that out?
TrueKingOfDenmark ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:20:13 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I might not like it. But I wouldn't hate it either if I could see why they did it. In the case with Emo Peter, I can see what they were trying to show us, so I don't dislike it.
sonofaresiii ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:23:57 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Fair enough, agree to disagree
Trillen ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:45:56 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Your not supposed to like him. You are supposed to be wanting him to take the suit off.
sonofaresiii ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:51:30 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This isn't an issue of me not liking him. I don't like joffrey either and think he's a great character.
This is an issue of me thinking it was a stupid, shitty part of the movie.
It's kind of annoying how everyone keeps trying to tell me my opinion is invalid.
Igaunija ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:27:36 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's reddit for you.
ceedubs2 ยท 940 points ยท Posted at 18:20:59 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Okay, so I actually fucking love this movie. This movie is hilarious, but let's talk about the finger-guns for a sec.
Dr. Connors looks into the symbiote and learns that it amplifies their characteristics. So you know how when Peter is Spider-Man, and he's throwing out all these one-liners as he's dodging bullets and knocking out badguys? Alright, imagine that cranked to 11, then keep that persona on Peter Parker, who looks like a character from Silicon Valley.
Check out the scene again. At no point during his pelvic thrusts is anyone going, "Wow, what a stud!" No, everyone's like "Dude, who the fuck is this weird asshole?" This is like if Peter was drunk, but kept his mental faculties. In fact, I'm sure there's a good argument in there somewhere about how the symbiote could be about substance abuse and how your self-perception changes.
However, that scene where he's dancing is just dumb and weird. And it goes from everyone being wow'd by No-Chin Bangarang Peter pulling some oddball Footloose shit, to knocking Mary Jane to the floor and beating up bouncers. It gets awkward quick.
[deleted] ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 20:46:59 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Connors also said the symbiote was from the 70's. So he's acting like a disco stud
cross-eye-bear ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 01:02:57 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's what geek Peter feels is cool that's getting accentuated.
NBegovich ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 02:29:40 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Obvious things like this are proof to me that 95% of haters and complainers honestly just don't understand the things they don't like (and just as often, they don't understand the things they like, either)
SoundOfDrums ยท 34 points ยท Posted at 19:22:54 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Spider-Man's one liners are a product of wit and sarcasm. Say it only amplifies negative characteristics, so it's amplifying sarcasm...that would mean he's doing all of that ironically?
I'm guessing you're perceiving his on-liners as douchey? That's the only thing I can see cranked up to 11.
To me, it's just a gross misunderstanding or bad reimagining of Peter Parker that led to this scene.
[deleted] ยท 42 points ยท Posted at 19:52:07 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Exactly my thoughts, in the Comic Peter becomes wildly sophisticated and his wit gets sharper and cuts deeper. It even goes as far as to take Peter with it and have them both fight crime all night while Peter was asleep. He only notices that it is alive because it saves on of Peter's girls without input from Peter. Also the only reason he takes it off is because it is trying to become part of him, not because it is bad or evil in any way. Then it gets mad and turns evil because Peter rejected it.
Rickrickrickrickrick ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 01:58:27 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Also one of his villains mentions his new "organic webbing" which he never had before. But yes, his cuts would be deeper and more personal. Basically instead of being an annoying nerd he was a dick to his enemies and would hit them a lot harder and cared less about their safety.
doughboy011 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:42:16 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Do you have any scans of examples? Never read too much spiderman before.
xaqaria ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:31:35 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Spider-man's one liners were always about peter being a huge dork. They are essentially dad jokes that are only funny to the reader because he was making them in the context of kicking someone's ass.
SoundOfDrums ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 22:39:30 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Really?
http://i1.wp.com/www.nerdsdib.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/new-avengers-7-panels.jpg?resize=600%2C472
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/13/130558/2516077-avenging_spiderman_1.jpg
http://www.therobotsvoice.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/09/Spiderman.gif
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11/113883/2676132-amazing_spiderman_598.jpg
xaqaria ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 22:54:14 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't see what those bits are supposed to prove. You think making a star wars reference to the red hulk isn't dorky?
EsQuiteMexican ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 00:13:10 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think the "abusive boyfriend" was the one meant to be funny.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 08:42:48 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I laughed
punromantic ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 23:44:47 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yay! Someone else who loves the movie! I thought I was alone!
ceedubs2 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:43:42 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I can't think of a movie I laughed harder in the theater. It's so great!
TheBaltimoron ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:06:25 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They liked his dancing.
Jombo65 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:31:45 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
People always freak out about this...? This is the first time I've ever seen that scene and it was very obvious that he was being what he thought was cool.
lazylion_ca ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:45:33 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I can't help but think it would have fit very well in Hells Club
SealsMelt ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:40:02 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I really want to see a competent screenwriter rewrite this movie based off of this concept.
almostansn ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:13:33 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
lmao that is amazing. bravo for your explanation
rikjames90 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:21:49 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
i feel like peter parker was a johnny bravo fan at some point.
https://youtu.be/FW81kcccBqw
One_more_page ยท 22 points ยท Posted at 18:14:55 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
MovieBob made this argument. His retrospective on Sam Ramey's Spiderman 1 and 2 are at least interesting, and he will defend parts of 3 but he downright loathes the new movies.
Random-Miser ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:17:19 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I have yet to watch the new ones, they just look so fucking awful.
shlomo_baggins ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 18:44:03 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I agree with aboycandream, first one is actually pretty fun. You get different aspects of Peter Parker the Raimi films had trouble portraying. Second one though, while the Gwen Stacy stuff was well written, the movie itself added little to nothing to the story line as a whole. Didn't really need to be made.
SoundOfDrums ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:24:44 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
As far as plot, the third movie makes the second very necessary. They're trying to build Spider-Man into a bigger universe instead of everything being so closed into a smaller world like the last trilogy.
He's a city's hero instead of the hero of his social group.
aboycandream ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 18:36:33 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
First one was better than the Raimi movies, second is awful
mattcuz83 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 19:18:24 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's not better than Raimi's Spider man 2.
Gossamer1974 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:21:03 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They both bad, and will be forgotten. They were for non-fans only.
SoundOfDrums ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:25:13 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
But without the second one, the plot of the third will fall flat for fans...
JoesusTBF ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:20:01 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
There will be no Amazing Spider-Man 3. That's official. They're rebooting again with Tom Holland with the help of Kevin Feige and Marvel Studios.
jello1388 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:32:45 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Another reboot? No, fuck that. Unless it just starts with him already established as a super hero. Everyone knows his story by now.
JoesusTBF ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:52:07 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, he will already be an established hero, but still in high school. His first appearance will be in Captain America: Civil War, before spinning off in his own series. Quite likely that he'll be appearing in the Avengers: Infinity War movies as well.
SoundOfDrums ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:52:32 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Interesting, hadn't kept up with it very closely since watching 2.
RedCat1529 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 01:26:22 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My friend and I saw this at the cinema and burst out laughing. I think that was the point. He's comically absurd, but thinks he's cool.
[deleted] ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 18:10:19 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He is infected by Venom, which was controlling him.
fuzzninja ยท 30 points ยท Posted at 18:24:11 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Symbiote
moal09 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:41:24 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It doesn't completely control. It just influences.
[deleted] ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 18:22:54 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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Brandalf-the-Green ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:38:22 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What makes you believe it was Carnage? It was clearly Venom.
e8ghtmileshigh ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:53:25 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It was neither. It was the symbiote.
StationaryMole ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:02:53 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think it was what Peter, in his mind, perceived as "badass", and therefore the Venom symbiote could only use that as a reference for making Peter badass.
Th_Ghost_of_Bob_ross ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:03:46 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I have also read up on it. From what I understand many people want the black suit to make peter a "bad ass" but the thing is peter is not a bad ass, he is a nerd. So this "emo peter" is what a nerd released of his inhibitions thinks being cool is like.
Also from a structural level the black suit is a metaphor for steroid abuse, you the viewer should hate what the black suit is doing to peter, you should want him to get rid of it, not keep it because it makes him a badass.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:18:37 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't understand how people miss this. Like it's very very obvious. Even the people in the scene around Peter are like "what the fuck is this guy doing".
Mccmangus ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:19:31 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
watch it without sound for the full intended effect.
vadergeek ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:20:19 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Sam Raimi directed, I can't imagine he did this with a straight face.
Mic_Check_One_Two ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 09:43:07 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This is a lot like Final Fantasy X's infamous laughing scene. It was meant to be the most cringe-filled thing you'd ever seen. That's the entire point of the scene when taken in context of the rest of the game up to that point. But everyone just pulls that one scene out to laugh at the game whenever it gets brought up.
Captain_Waffle ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:12:26 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Exactly right. It's supposed to be awkward and weird. Hence, I'm perfectly OK with Emo Peter, because it makes me cringe. I never understood why people don't get that.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:13:36 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That is, in fact, the entire point.
Noggin-a-Floggin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:43:11 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Did they need to hit us over the head with it so blatantly, though? That's my argument back.
Spider_pig448 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:45:01 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, people seem to be missing that they were designing it so that Peter Parker thought he was being super slick; and he's not, because that's who his character is.
VincentHart ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 03:29:27 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
People saying it was intentional are the same people who claim "Bae" has any meaning beyond infectious ignorance of people misspelling "babe".
wait_watches ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:09:42 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hey, I don't say that.
VincentHart ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:11:14 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Shit! My covers blown! Ruuuuuuun!!!!!
Serath62 ยท 73 points ยท Posted at 18:02:50 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This particular scene was so cringey, but there's also another scene (which I can't seem to find) where Peter sees his reflection and makes his hair "emo".
The whole character arc was just stupid.
DrSmoke ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 00:28:54 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Its supposed to be like that. The Venom suit can't "make you cool" its a fucking alien. It doesn't know what "cool" is, and neither does Peter Parker.
You're supposed to watch that scene and think "Oh, the venom suit is bad".
crypticXJ88 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 19:38:25 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think it was that Sam Raimi was forced to make that movie in a way he didn't want to. So he went full-retard with it.
Choco316 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 23:13:00 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So it's widely known that the studio started interfering with Sam Raimi on making Spider-Man 3, and I'm convinced this scene was a giant middle finger at the studio
Robby_Digital ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 20:28:08 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's intentionally meant to be funny... and you didn't get it. Story of your life I'm guessing.
The1975ArcticHoodlum ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:32:40 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That little dance coming out of the store was it for me.
emptied_cache_oops ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:47:55 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You're so dense.
peachesgp ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:19:59 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think it's supposed to be like that. He's a really uncool person who is trying to act like he's pretty sure the cool people do and it comes off how you'd expect that to go.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:20:02 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Here I go again, defending this scene for its genius... Look man, you have to think about what type of person Peter Parker is. He's a NERD. And as a nerd he's doing things he thinks are cool! So in the finger guns scene, do you see the women scoff and laugh? Of course they are. They are cringing themselves because that's the whole point..! The scene is perfect because it just reinforces Parker's natural persona.
I hope this encourages people to look at movies differently, to understand plot mechanics and dynamic characters, instead of watching them straight from face value.
TedTheGreek_Atheos ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:22:54 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Have you ever watched a Sam Raimi movie before? He's the king of intentional cheese.
Check out Armies Of Darkness. You'll get it.
mrgermy ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:39:07 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What hurts me the most is one of my favorite directors put that out...
pgibso ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:17:16 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Look- Sam Raimi had his hand forced in script Changes- essentially having him make a film e didn't want to make. The studio pushed him into telling the Venom tale which in turn required evil Peter Parker- Sam admitted the space alien/ dark take on Peter was completely out of his wheel house in comfort- so as a way to try and grapple with the subject matter he clung to hammy sci fi movies from the 50s like the blob. He didn't want to make Parker evil so he thought somehow making it humorous and laughable would offset this dilemma. This is what we got.
DrSmoke ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:30:24 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Venom doesn't just "make you evil" its a performance enhancing drug. It fucks with your personality in more subtle ways, which is why Rami did his movie perfect. Stupid venom fans just didn't like it, and dumb people didn't get it.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:27:46 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Cocaine.
DrSmoke ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:25:14 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Its supposed to be like that. The Venom suit can't "make you cool" its a fucking alien. It doesn't know what "cool" is, and neither does Peter Parker.
You're supposed to watch that scene and think "Oh, the venom suit is bad".
frostyfries ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:57:03 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You so obviously and clearly missed the point. Let me guess, you hate catcher in the rye because you hate holden caufield?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:10:04 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Someone probably already told you, but thanks for mentioning jar jar before anyone else got the chance. Half of this thread would have been star wars bullshit. And it's a good thread!
Don_E_Ford ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:10:10 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Okay. I am dealing with the President of a major picture company right now. They do not read anything, emails, scripts, anything. They say they do, but they don't. Even when they have to or must, they don't. Truth is accountants are in charge and they rush the timetable forcing the creative hand. That is why some directors have really excelled and others it eats alive.
PopPunkAndPizza ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:19:47 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Because that's exactly what a socially inept nerd jacked up on too much confidence would do if they thought they were the hottest shit?
snowwrestler ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:32:33 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The whole thing is an extended reference to the movie The Mask, starring Jim Carrey.
I'm not joking--watch The Mask and then watch these scenes again. The resemblance cannot be an accident.
Especially since all the Spider-Man movies have such references in them. In the first movie it calls out to Tim Burton's Batman (with the big balloons), and the original Superman (landing lightly in the roof with the girl) within the span of just a few minutes.
Torgvarr ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:52:10 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's supposed to be hated. Just because you are suddenly injected with a boost of confidence doesn't automatically make you cool. He's an awkward nerd so of course arrogant Peter is going to be awkward too. It's cringe worthy intentionally I feel.
TheNotorious23 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:11:19 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Lol this is awesome. Seems fake.
Mr_Ibericus ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:24:59 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It was intentional because Peter Parker isn't cool.
Maria-Stryker ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:44:15 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Some say that it was intentionally cringey: The Black Suit is a steroid, what it makes him do shouldn't be a good thing.
Seliniae2 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:35:40 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This is what an awkward and shy kid things acting cool is. It's cringy because of it. Peter can't actually be cool, but the confidence gives him the want to act cool.
manmanman ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:43:12 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I liked this scene. The Venom was making him super egotistical and that's what his ego looked like when its augmented and deformed. Kinda like The Mask..
mc_kitfox ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:50:17 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
See now, that's where you're mistaken. QA sees the problems, and tells the people capable of the problem, and they com back and say "nah, ship it". Really, its not hard to spot flaws with an objective group reviewing it for weeks on end.
As the production cycle progresses, the flaws are incorporated into the final product and as you watch the names scroll by in the credits, you wonder to yourself "The fuck were they paying tose people for?" I promise you; QA Knows, but QA lacks the authority to affect change.
Repeat ad nauseam
octnoir ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:17:08 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
To be fair, it looks like Tobey Maguire is having a ton of fun.
TheBaltimoron ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:05:25 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What about this? There was a choreographer and a stunt guy and special effects.
emptygroove ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:35:55 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Think of it like an anti drug/drinking campaign where they show someone saying that being drunk/stoned makes them so much cooler. Then it shows how cringed they are when drunk/stoned. That's what they are trying to show occurring with the symbiote. I was actually pretty impressed with them conveying that in a short time frame. In the comics, that was a pretty long arc...
Gogogadgetskates ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:40:47 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I know!!! How did this go through marketing and probably a test audience and pass??? And directors. And producers. And other studio big wigs. I'm stumped.
dog_in_the_vent ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:59:34 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I blame Tobey Maguire.
DrSmoke ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:29:14 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Tobey Maguire was the best Spiderman we've ever had.
Earl_of_Awesome ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 18:54:12 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This is what I imagine Martin Shkreli looking look like on the reg
minddropstudios ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:16:20 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I imagine him more like in the scene where Spidey is stopping the train in SM2. Except it's in prison. And his arms are being held back by two inmates instead of webs. And the train is actually a guy named "Bubba".
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:59:50 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Check your microaggressions bro.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:07:58 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The cringe.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:09:02 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
oh you dont want to load you shit? fine i wont fucking watch you.
Scorch8482 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:42:46 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This was intentional. He's an awkward kid given the role of a hero overnight, and now he's on top of the world. You're supposed to laugh/cringe at him. Thats the fucking point.
jawshgoodnight ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:49:29 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I desperately want to believe that's how Toby acts in his everyday life.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:50:43 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Watching this made me unreasonably angry.
gandalfv31415 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:04:34 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
interesting that there are about 3 dozen attractive women in that one short block
invadertommo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:28:25 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My personal favorite, the jazz piano scene
Serialseb ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:35:19 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Good that acting was brutal... just so bad.
MechanicalJesus05 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:41:08 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Still better than the two new spider man movies imo
Idoontkno ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:20:36 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Emo Peter Parker got banned from so many elementary schools for this scene.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:59:49 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Say what you want about this scene but I think it goes well with the dynamic of the movie. Yes it is cringey. Yes it is hilariously unfounded. Yes it makes you hate Tobey Maguire but remember that Peter is supposed to be a geek. He doesn't really know how to be cool unless he has the suit on. When the symbiote attaches to him he becomes vain and overly confident. Now imagine the most socially awkward and quiet guy you know getting a huge does of testosterone and confidence. That's what this is. I hate the scene just as much as anyone else but you're suppose to. You're suppose to laugh at him and wonder what the hell he's doing. That's what the whole point of the scene was for me, at least. To show how greatly the symbiote has affected Peter and changed him. Maybe they could have shown it in a different way but I think this works too.
Skythe1908 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:28:36 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Honestly, this scene is fine for what it's trying to do. It's the scene in the club that takes it too far and makes it eye rollingly bad.
barak181 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:54:51 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That is quite literally when I turned the movie off and never watched another Spider Man movie since.
ChillyWilson ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:00:26 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This was one of those sequences that I just could not believe was happening as I watched it.
DrSmoke ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:30:53 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Its supposed to be like that. The Venom suit can't "make you cool" its a fucking alien. It doesn't know what "cool" is, and neither does Peter Parker.
You're supposed to watch that scene and think "Oh, the venom suit is bad".
majicebe ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:45:04 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That scene was the exact moment Sam Raimi's Spiderman franchise jumped the shark.
queefiest ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:02:55 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I forgot how cringey that scene is
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:56:58 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This is how I imagine Martin Shrkeli lives his daily life.
Bunchasomething ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:19:30 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"What was that?"
"I think Peter Parker just did a Saturday Night Fever across our cafe window"
Subzero414 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:21:37 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Now dig on this
afrojoe5000 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:50:04 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That was the worst thing I've ever seen.
Dripping_clap ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:56:41 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I would love to see a video of that without music and normal New York ambient noise.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:03:59 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If they were really going to make him do that, they should've just gone the full way by giving him a fedora.
DiaDeLosMuertos ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:05:39 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What are the odds that a bunch of super models would be walking by when he'd be douching the most?
WetwithSharp ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:10:25 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What.The.Actual.Fuck.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:26:32 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I prefer this version:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mqdZ-MJsJn8
joecb91 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:35:20 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
At least everyone walking by him has some kind of WTF face when he does the fingerguns at them
xXx420hitzSCopeZxXx ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:47:04 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
https://youtu.be/7DocHKSaceM the same scene without the music. makes it 100% more lol
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:01:59 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Just fucking made my night lol.
Anshin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:54:25 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think I saw a couple fingers in those pixels
RozRytsar ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:49:14 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I love when he's dancing in front of the store those two women give him a weird look, huddle closer and walk away slightly faster. They know he's crazy!
west2021 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:59:01 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Good god the cringe
sonofaresiii ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:55:09 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
oh my god this movie was so bad
desertravenwy ยท 1230 points ยท Posted at 17:44:00 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I must be the only person in the world who thought that part was funny and even appropriate... because it showed how the black goop had completely changed his personality...
imonthehighway ยท 843 points ยท Posted at 17:55:14 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm with you. I thought it was funny, but the best overall explanation I've heard given for that scene is that it's supposed to be what a total nerd's idea of what cool is. That being the case, I think it was perfect.
sane-ish ยท 105 points ยท Posted at 20:16:17 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If you've seen other Sam Rami films you know that he loves cheese. It was meant to be cringey. I thought that was a highlight of that movie.
But, as a whole I didn't like Spiderman 3. Sandman was great, but the other characters were shoehorned in. Venom as Topher Grace was a miscast.
There was too much going on without a good reason. Typical sequel_itis issues.
NerfJihad ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 21:09:21 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You miscast Topher Grace.
The explosion does 3d6 damage to you and 2d4 damage to your party.
vanasbry000 ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 00:18:34 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Don't you just hate having to figure out which key does an underscore and which does a hyphen each time you use one?
sane-ish ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:39:57 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Meh. I know how to... It's just like four buttons back.
Horse shoes and hand grenades. Close enough.
Both which would've been better with hyphens. :/
TheScottymo ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 12:41:39 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's a fair point, sane_ish
Zopo ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 06:48:55 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The worst part is even after he becomes venom he still takes his mask off every time he speaks to remind us it's still topher fucking grace.
Jah_Ith_Ber ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:33:01 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Somebody cast Topher Grace as Eddie Brock? Holy fuck I am glad I've never seen any of these movies.
rachawakka ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:33:51 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The first two are awesome though
SvenHudson ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:02:59 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well, the second one is awesome. Goblin looked too much like a Power Rangers villain for me to enjoy the first one.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:59:44 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Topher grace ruined predators for me
Polycystic ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 21:02:53 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Haven't actually seen the movie, but that's exactly what it made me think. Looked like a total nerd's interpretation of what women mean when they say they like men with "confidence."
Still pretty corny, but there's no way it was meant to be serious.
Deklaration ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 09:35:43 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Isn't that obvious? Did anyone actually watch the film?
SvenHudson ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 12:12:24 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If you think people watch movies you should come over to /r/fantheories some time where James Bond is a codename, Interstellar operates on the same time travel logic as Back to the Future, and Bender is only a criminal because of an electric shock in the first episode of Futurama.
Sir_Thaddeus ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 02:55:11 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Wait? That isn't cool?
Mr_Times ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:18:30 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
that is what i thought it was about
purplesquared ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:27:40 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I very much so agree. I was always of the opinion that people who complained about that part just didn't understand how perfect it actually fit (IMO)
DrSmoke ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:32:32 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That is exactly it, and anyone that didn't get that, is simply a moron.
Randomturtle32 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:55:00 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well then I guess I'm a total nerd... I was 9 when I saw this movie and I thought Peter Parker was so cool. No shame, this scene awakened me sexually. I don't know what it is, but it still gets to me a little.
MARKBALLSACK ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:20:08 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
homo
Randomturtle32 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:45:52 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm a girl
Chicago_Blackhawks ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:19:35 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Sammeee
ninjabortles ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:53:05 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I just thought it was that he got a ton of confidence from it. So basically he is still a completely socially awkward nerd but with a ton of confidence and was trying to be smooth.
Moglinlover ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:34:36 on January 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I am nerdy as hell and I would NEVER think that was cool
Year_Of_The_Horse_ ยท 90 points ยท Posted at 18:06:01 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, the point of it was to show what an ass he had become, due to the alien suit's influence.
ruffus4life ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 18:25:46 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
i didn't think he was an ass. it was more a how could anyone act this way. i've seen babies with more charisma.
Fear_the_Jellyfish ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 18:56:37 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Exactly. You even see girls walking away from him and giving him weird looks. The movie made a point of showing that no one thought he was cool.
roguemango ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 19:44:18 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He did. He thought he was cool. That's the whole point. Think of the suit as an allegory for drugs or drinking. Being drunk can be fun but being around drunk people tends not to be fun.
rosiedoes ยท 60 points ยท Posted at 18:04:24 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I loved it. I thought it was absolutely fucking hilarious.
PopsicleIncorporated ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 22:17:36 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yep. It's one of the funniest things I've ever seen in a Spider-Man movie.
rosiedoes ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:21:59 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I thought the whole point was that it was cringe inducing! They couldn't reasonably have such a dorky Peter turn into the actual Fonz, no one would have bought it.
roguemango ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 19:42:16 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You are not alone.
desertravenwy ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 19:44:24 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I really didn't expect this many people to think the same thing actually.
roguemango ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:53:48 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You know when they say "He was always so quit. I never would have expected it."? We're the quiet ones. Let them talk trash about the emo Peter scene. We're watching.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:12:48 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I never realized what it meant plot wise, but i remember seeing the dance scene on youtube with a friend of mine and we were like "we gotta go fucking see this shit."
dr_kingschultz ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:14:47 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's like Raimi wrote Peter Parker to temporarily impersonate Ash from Evil Dead.
3DBeerGoggles ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:12:59 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"Well, I'm a man... and you're a woman."
unhampered_by_pants ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:10:34 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
There are dozens of us! DOZENS!
Well, maybe not dozens, but there are at least five of us who got a kick out of that part and saw what they were going for.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:10:26 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Absolutely. People don't get that it's supposed to be awkward and cringey.
Chicago_Blackhawks ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:19:24 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not the only one :)
DoctorWaluigiTime ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:20:40 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What Venom is supposed to do is make him malicious and vengeful. Hell, the 90s cartoon tells the whole Venom story ("The Alien Costume") much better.
Peter Parker didn't put on The Mask, which is what Emo Peter Parker became.
MintyBBQSauce ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:18:58 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's like in Spider-man 2 when he loses his powers and goes on a goody walk with the "raindrops falling on my head" song. It was goody there too, on purpose.
TheSandyRavage ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:03:07 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
One of my favorite parts honestly.
TedTheGreek_Atheos ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:25:01 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No I instantly recognized it for the the classic Sam Raimi cheeseballness that it is.
CupcakeValkyrie ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:33:45 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well, what it had done was amplify his confidence. Unfortunately, he has zero social skills and no charisma, so he's confident enough to try and act suave and cool, and fails miserably.
He'd have gotten along a lot better if he'd just said "Bitch, don't laugh at me, I'm motherfucking Spider-man." and then punched a hole in a wall. He'd suffocate under all the panties flying at him at that point.
soiltostone ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 18:13:44 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe I'm getting old, but it looks like a take on John Travolta in Saturday Night Fever.
roguemango ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:45:43 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Kids these days. Mirite?
PM_ME_UR_FLOWERS ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:24:34 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Up ya nose wid a rubba hose, friend!
Just once I've wanted to say this to someone who would get it.
soiltostone ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:07:13 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hey, watch the hair!
david531990 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:55:58 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Thing is, it was cool in the 70s, not in the 00s.
soiltostone ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:06:07 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
People forget how darkly-themed that movie actually was (violence, suicide, sexual assault). The main character was made out to be self-absorbed and immature. Although that scene was played for laughs, they were at his expense.
PBanimation ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 19:11:02 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I thought it was a good idea. How would the black suit know what was cool or not? It just took Peters geeky idea of cool and made him represent it. This is the result.
[deleted] ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 18:30:47 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That scene was hilarious. And very well done, tbh. Parker's still a nerd, but he has confidence and no idea what he's doing. The scene on the street with all the disgusted looking women was done really well IMO.
[deleted] ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 19:01:02 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Spiderman 3 has a lot of problems but this scene isn't one of them, it's totally intentionally hilarious. Have you guys never seen a Sam Raimi film before? This is exactly the kind of thing he finds funny.
DrSmoke ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 00:41:57 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Most people ITT are probably 15 so I'm guessing not.
yourselfiegotleaked ยท 92 points ยท Posted at 16:49:28 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I cringe every time I see that scene
EpicPanda111 ยท 465 points ยท Posted at 17:52:53 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Honestly I think that's the point. Peter doesn't know how to be cool, so he acts how he thinks cool people act. I'm not trying to defend the movie, I know it's not very good, I'm only stating what I think went through the writers heads.
calibos ยท 144 points ยท Posted at 18:47:13 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't know why that even needs to be explained. People are sneering at him and staring at him. They play dumb music. Those scenes weren't written to make him seem cool. They were written to make him look like an asshole and to be humorous. If, rather than turning into a cocky jerk, Peter suddenly got super cool when he got the symbiote, where would the conflict in the movie be?
doc_samson ยท 85 points ยท Posted at 19:08:18 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You are absolutely correct, that scene is so blatantly depicting him as a loser scumbag who thinks he is cool, not as someone who is actually cool. I don't understand how people don't see that. Are people really so starved of social interaction that they can't pick up on that? It practically punches you right in the face with it.
[deleted] ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 19:22:42 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I thought I was taking crazy pills. Everyone saying it's supposed to be awkward...well duh, what else would have been the point of that scene? Obviously they weren't trying to actually make him look cool, seeing as every girl laughs at him and avoids him.
AlbinoMetroid ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 19:48:41 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I get the point of it, the problem is that I don't find it funny. He can't feel any shame so I'm feeling it for him.
DrSmoke ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 00:34:55 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Its NOT SUPPOSED TO BE FUNNY. Its supposed to be bad, and awkward, and you're supposed to hate it, the whole point is to make you "not like the suit, to see its bad, and want him to take it off".
Do you really not get this, do you not get any movies or books or anything that doesn't spell everything out for you?
AlbinoMetroid ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 02:25:18 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Even still, I just hate seeing awkwardness in things. I also dont like superhero movies when the hero spends half the time being a complete moron. It's just personal preference.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:39:37 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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DrSmoke ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 00:35:32 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You're factually wrong.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:25:16 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's not that people are missing the point; its that there are a million better ways they could have depicted it.
anincompoop25 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:08:56 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You can make a character into a wanna be cool kid who the world really sees as a creep without making those scenes physically painful for the audience to watch. It was executed poorly.
DrSmoke ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 00:35:19 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It was executed perfectly, You're all just dumb.
SMORKIN_LABBIT ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:06:12 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Until this thread I didn't even know there was a debate it was anything but him being an asshole.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:22:21 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's kind of the problem. I don't need to be punched in the face to figure all that shit out. It was ham-fisted to an extreme.
DrSmoke ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 00:36:22 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Wrong. Otherwise this wouldn't the number 1 answer ITT. Everyone didn't get this movie. People ITT are autistic. Look how many people just in this comment chain still dont' get it
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:48:56 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Just because some people might need it doesn't make it smart or even good filmmaking.
DrSmoke ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 00:33:35 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Apparently.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:33:30 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
How dare you call James Brown dumb!
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:21:25 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The conflict would be that the suit has turned him to everything he wanted to be, at the expense that he becomes more "evil", more likely to just take what he wants, more likely to take the easy way out of whatever situation he finds himself in. The suit is amoral and causes Peter to take on its bad traits as well as the one that suit him.
panburger_partner ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:35:06 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's actually a great song badly remixed for the movie... James Brown's "get up and drive your funky soul"
DwarfDrugar ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:20:45 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The way it was portrayed in the cartoon was Peter getting a fancy suit and behaving like an alpha jock, threatening to beat the crap out of Flash and being a dick to most other people. He reigned in when he was about to murder Rhino and realised something must've been wrong with him.
In the movie, he suddenly gets dance moves, a terrible haircut and inexplicable piano skills. Sure, he's a loser douche, but where did those amazing new skills come from? The walk down the street with the dancing and finger guns was ok. The bar scene was too far. It was weird, inappropriate and unbelievable.
DrSmoke ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 00:38:40 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
An alien suit doesn't know what "cool" is. It can't make you a nerd "cool" they did a perfect job with that scene.
So? Hes trying to dance, so what? Obvious hes seen some people dance before, and thats him trying, poorly. This scene was fine.
He's a "Spider-Man" wearing an "alien symbiotic suit" and him dancing is too weird for you? You just couldn't get over the fact that it wasn't the same story from the comic. You're probably one of those people that think Venom was a good character too.
Deris87 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:25:34 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
In the fact that it's turning him into a violent sociopath?
DrSmoke ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 00:37:17 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
An alien suit can't "make you cool" it doesn't know what "cool" is.
๐๏ธ proggybreaks ยท 205 points ยท Posted at 17:58:45 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The best part is how it inexplicably gives him "the jazz piano skills of a spider!"
shantastic138 ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 18:34:15 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Only time I've almost walked out of a movie. And I saw Exodus in theaters.
gn0xious ยท 81 points ยท Posted at 18:57:49 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Man, Exodus?! The title alone told you to leave.
Odin_Exodus ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:26:38 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I should not have come here.
noonday_moon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:37:17 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
*golf clap*
Beta-Tri ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 19:15:22 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Oh man that movie was just the worst
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:39:47 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
For two bucks at Redbox, it ain't bad.
CaitlinSarah87 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:57:16 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Redbox is $2 now?!
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:05:34 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
In NY, yeah. Two bucks a day.
SonicAlligators ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:25:22 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe it was the "space jazz powers of alien goo"?
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:51:14 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Peter parker has always been a complete dork. That was part of the appral of Spider-Man in the beginning. I don't know why people forget this.
rocer4ya ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:23:40 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm with the panda, Peter Parkers character at it's core is a teenager. I think he's permanently 17 or 18 or something like that. And wearing all black and dancing weird were totally things that I did as an 18 year old trying to be cool.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:27:27 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'd say you're right on point here in identifying their intentions. However, they wrote them into the script in a way that just doesn't read and is beyond the actor's grasp.
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 18:29:35 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I love that scene omfg. It's the one of the reasons I'm like "you know what, I might watch spiderman 3".
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:59:03 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's really the whole point of it though, isn't it?
TriangledCircle ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:27:31 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Everytime i see it
TRIGGERED
HANGOVERHANGOVER ยท -8 points ยท Posted at 18:12:06 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Whatever kid. Oh I'm sorry did I fucking trigger you? Were you fucking triggered you little cry baby? Fuck off. Literally saying not a fucking word to you and you're gonna fucking mute me because you have a problem with me just fucking talking shit in all chat? Honestly go fuck yourself to the highest fucking caliber you fucking asshole. So sick of little fucking bitches like you who fucking have a fucking opinion like you're fucking sitting over there like, oh I'm some fucking problem to you because I'm not even fucking saying a fucking word to you. Fuck off. Call it what you fucking asshole? Hormonal? Kid you're a fucking bullshitter. You're a fucking bullshitter. Go fuck yourself. You ain't fucking nothing. You ain't fucking anyone. You ain't got a fucking clue in your fucking head who I am or what I'm fucking about. That I'm fucking calling these fucking kids tryhards, has your fucking panties in a bunch for what? For what? For fucking what kid? Honestly I'm fucking sick of kids like you. Literally go fuck yourself. Go fuck yourself and everything that you fucking stand for because I'm gonna tell you right now, you don't stand for shit kid. You don't stand for fucking shit. Please. Yeah, talk in all chat. Yeah like anybody fucking cares kid go find a fucking friend to talk to, right? Because you can't fucking talk to me, you can't fucking treat me like a fucking person. You ain't fucking real kid. You ain't fucking real. You ain't got a fucking real fucking bone in your fucking body kid. So go fucking all chat, and make some fucking friends. Alright? You can make some fucking friends because "Oh, this guy's hormonal," pffft "Uh I'm gonna mute him," pffft fuck off. You're literally a fucking cancer on this fucking world kid. Never fucking forget it.
Zachstir ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 18:16:23 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
53 "fucks"
savage_nobility ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:18:13 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Thanks dude. Somebody had to say it.
DrSmoke ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:41:22 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That is literally the whole point.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:29:36 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I love that scene omfg. It's the one of the reasons I'm like "you know what, I might watch spiderman 3".
Sun-Anvil ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:13:18 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I refuse to watch that movie BECAUSE of that scene.
Dusk_v731 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:47:22 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
To this day i've never been able to watch it in its entirety when its posted on reddit, and is the main reason I have never watched that movie.
DrSmoke ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 00:41:15 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You're listening to idiots, which makes you one.
Dusk_v731 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:27:57 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No where in my post did I say I was listening to anything from anyone.
bobsante ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:10:15 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
THE WHOLE CAST from Big Bang Theory.
Xazrael ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:59:36 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'd be hard-pressed to decide between that or Eric Venom Foreman. For real.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:05:58 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Now dig on this
arghnard ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:25:32 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Dem moves, tho
Kazera-Samma ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:33:14 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I love that scene lmao
RedalAndrew ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:55:13 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Relevant username.
heavychickenstorm ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:56:16 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"Dance like no one is watching"
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:20:25 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The Emo Peter Parker Scene was a reference to Superman III and the Evil Superman that results from exposure to the Pseudo-Kryptonite. The point of the scene is that Peter Parker doesn't really have any evil in him, so he just becomes kind of a douchebag. And like the same scene in Superman III, it's played for laughs.
This is later contrasted against Eddie Brock, who becomes a vicious killer under the influence of the symbiote.
ModsAreShillsForXenu ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:23:54 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That scene is supposed to be like that. The venom suit is bad, it doesn't make you cool, you're not supposed to like it when Peter wears the venom suit.
The only reason this scene was so misunderstood, is a bunch of kids like the Venom character, because they're dumb kids, and they didn't get it.
Venom is a shitty character.
Atheist_Simon_Haddad ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:55:24 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The scene totally makes sense.
Peter Parker is a dork, and when he's evil, he's an evil dork. When he's supremely confident to the point of arrogance, he's an extroverted dork.
glyntw ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:55:31 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's pretty much exactly what I do when I wake up after a night out. But then I wake up again......
skraptastic ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:07:14 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think what a lot of people miss about Emo Peter Parker is it is supposed to be terrible. Peter Parker is such a good guy that when he is under the influence of the symbiot him being "evil" just makes him a bigger dork.
KassHS ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:22:37 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I still prefer the original trilogy and Tobey to the new movies.
Operation_Ivysaur ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:06:10 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"Now dig on this"
begins snapping
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:14:07 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think it's a fascinating critique of his inherent goodness and immaturity. I mean, he's so goofy and innocent that when his dark side is supercharged by a parasite he just wants to dress like bisexual cell phone salesman and do pimp strolls down the street, and, like swing dance. When your version of evil is a J.Crew hepcat, you know, how bad can you really be?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:24:30 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Emo Anakin while we are at it...
Jesus christ it was so painful to watch
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:25:08 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Isn't he the spitting image of some lesbian musician?
Loves2watch ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:10:52 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I remember when Spill.com gave this movie a "better than sex" rating, I just stopped going to their videos.
amaxen ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:22:32 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think Emo Vader from the new Ep 7 has him beat by a mile. I seriously thought he'd start crying and demanding the stormtroopers 'leave Brittany alone' after the first minute of screentime.....
Howiemandel420 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:11:56 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You're just jealous cause you can't dig on this
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:55:34 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Okay, so there are some characters in this thread that we're actually supposed to hate, so it doesn't seem fair to list them. But Emo Peter Parker was so bad (or so good) that we ended up not just hating him, but hating everyone involved in making the movie that spawned him. To be quite honest, that's either the biggest fail, or the most genius move ever.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:24:21 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You mean Martin Shkreli?
CallMeMoo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:25:26 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You're wrong. That entire sequence is amazing. I have never laughed so hard during a superhero movie ever.
SQNPC ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:00:35 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I thoroughly enjoyed this scene, still makes me chuckle after so long.
Pretty sure it's not meant to be taken seriously.
Im_A_Box_of_Scraps ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:56:03 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Lol I like them both
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:10:45 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
People who like emo Peter are probably also fans of artsy male model Amazing Spidey. Fucking cant stand Garfield.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:37:26 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
why?
he's a loser, the virus just increases his confidence so he goes out like what he'd think is cool (but isn't) and has no reservations
IHNE ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:43:22 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Lol
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:14:15 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My date offered to pay me back for her ticket because how terrible of a movie it was. Regardless of the reason for the 5 minute Monty Python-esque montage in the middle of the film, it was just awful. It still makes angry to think about how bad it was. I hate being, you know, THAT guy. But as a nerd it offended me. I mean, come on- he uses he new found cosmic evil black suit powers to jazz dance on tables?! Just, guh...
Celebrity292 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:08:12 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I actually liked the scene. Sure it's cheesy but still fun. Anyhow he had a similar albeit not as exaggerated scene in Spiderman 2.
Spirit_Eagle ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:05:14 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
When I saw this in theaters with my friends, we could not stop laughing. I'm so glad emo peter exists
that_looks_nifty ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:13:19 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That movie pissed me off so much. Venom is my favorite Spiderman villain and I was so excited to finally see him on the big screen. But noooooo some stupid Sandman I've never heard of is the big villain while Venom gets hardly any screen time except for when he's making Peter Parker all angsty as the symbiote.
They advertised Venom, but it was all Sandman. Shenanigans.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:42:50 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
emo peter isnt okay but for now redditors think emo kylo ren is
jello1388 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:45:07 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Big difference between an established character and a new one.
Idoontkno ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:18:38 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Can confirm, I almost walked out at this scene.
DrSmoke ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:42:46 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Then you're really dumb and totally didn't get it. You're not supposed to like him there.
Idoontkno ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:48:37 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Seemed like a bad scene rather than me not liking the character lol
IAMATruckerAMA ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:25:59 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Spiderman 2: I am Spiderman no more -not emo
Spiderman 3: douchey haircut -emo
Y'all are weird.
amievenrealrightnow ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:42:44 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Raimi's Peter as a whole was horrible for me. I never felt like I was watching Peter Parker, he was just a little too pathetic.
Xrathe ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:50:30 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I hate dancing Peter Parker way more.
AngryGolfPro ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 23:48:34 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Only movie I've ever walked out of was because of this scene.
DrSmoke ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:42:54 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
AngryGolfPro ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:52:28 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Dr Smoke, you are very smart. I'm glad you can pick up on bad acting too.
grammar_oligarch ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 00:01:12 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I wanna watch that scene from the Civil War trailer where Winter Soldier and Captain America are tag team beating the shit out of Iron Man, but with emo Peter Parker as the bitch.
DrSmoke ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 00:31:35 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Congrats on being one of millions of people too stupid to understand the very complicated movie that is Spiderman 3
Khers ยท 2381 points ยท Posted at 18:41:52 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ramsay Bolton.
Suddenly we have this larger than life villain-sue character that can do no wrong.
I mean him and his twenty goodmen would probably take down the whitewalkers at this point.
IndieCredentials ยท 1340 points ยท Posted at 19:21:58 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's made even more irritating that he's nothing like that in the books. He's painted at being pretty incompetent outside of torturing folks.
Khers ยท 1034 points ยท Posted at 19:43:18 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That annoys me the most, in the books he's described as a clumsy fighter who swings his sword like "a butcher chopping meat".
In the series he fights the best of the Iron Islands without clothes on. And comes out of all his battles without a scratch.
sodook ยท 435 points ยท Posted at 20:28:30 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The iron boen fight through a whole castle, which is ridiculous, then are turned away by a kennel of dogs..
mianadvinny ยท 144 points ยท Posted at 20:37:01 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I also felt like they sort of just stood there while he was unlocking the cages? Like, Asha (is that her name?) and her group were a few yards away but for some reason just kept begging Theon to help them.
Kii_and_lock ยท 106 points ยท Posted at 20:44:54 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I believe it is Yara in the show so to avoid the confusion witb Osha the Wildling (which is kind of amusing since Theon even remarks on their similar names and how both vex him)
[deleted] ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 02:18:40 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And Arya~Yara
DiaDeLosMuertos ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 04:13:03 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Are you questioning D&D!?!?
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:52:40 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My guess is that they figured people aren't going to confuse Arya, one of the major characters, with Yara, while Asha and Osha aren't on the show nearly as much.
SamLarson ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:46:16 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not Theon, Reek!
crookedparadigm ยท 39 points ยท Posted at 23:48:19 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Dragonball Z Syndrome - The enemy is doing something that could spell our downfall? Let's watch and not make any attempt to interrupt...
Mergan1989 ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 00:18:15 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Even better - If my son's going to beat you when he's fighting fresh, then you should be fighting fresh too. Have a senzu bean.
Dashing_Snow ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 01:02:16 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
To be fair Gohan still shits all over him.
token711 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:29:07 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
damn it now i have to watch this again
Sage2050 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:38:53 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hardly. He got his arm broken and almost died. 16s sacrifice is the only reason he won.
Dashing_Snow ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 06:41:45 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I meant once he actually let himself go all out. Gohan is a tier above anyone at the end of that season. I mean he literally punches cell so hard that he regurgitates 18.
zenofire ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 01:21:19 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
She's Known for her ability to throw Axes with Extreme precision! Toss one at him!
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:03:59 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And ruin such perfect torso? That's some crazy thought/s.
Twad_feu ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 04:35:00 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The combat scene itself was bad, since one would think that "elite pirates" would be used to fight in very close quarters (because boats arent very spacious to fight in) in non-optimal conditions ... but all we get are clumsy mooks being useless in a fight.
DiaDeLosMuertos ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:12:19 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, that doesn't happen in the books.
jrgolden42 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:06:19 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Asha in the books, Yara in the show
maanu123 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:14:30 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's not just the dogs... THey release the dogs, Yara/Asha kills them, but at this point more Bolton men are woken up and able to cut them off.
[deleted] ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 06:07:18 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
God that whole plot line was so infuriatingly pointless. The geography doesn't even make a bit of sense.
"I've sailed around the entire continent to save my brother!!!"
"Yeah well, these dogs are kinda mean"
"K guess I'll just head home"
Cheesewheel12 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 03:32:13 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I remember watching that scene and being like "just kill either him or the fucking dogs. You're ironborn, what's the problem?"
IfinallyhaveaReddit ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 06:17:12 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Im a loyal fan to the books and the show
But wtf at this...really? You made it this far, theon is right there and u can kill ramsy?! And dogs scare you off?! Worst you let him unlick the door!
Neberkenezzr ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:55:49 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
and never to bee seen again....
[deleted] ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 04:59:41 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This is the thing that probably annoys me the most about it. Yara/Asha makes this big deal about how important her brother is to her and even goes so far as to defy her father to get him back. But after the first attempt fails she just completely gives up.
averagedesi ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:45:40 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
At the end of season 3, they sets sail to Winterfell vowing to bring her brother back and we got that lame scene in the next season. Got scared of dogs? After breaking into Winterfell?! Such a waste!
Ghitzo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:26:41 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
*The Dreadfort
ZeroNihilist ยท 118 points ยท Posted at 21:08:20 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This is why I'm not too worried about season 6 coming out before Winds of Winter.
It all ends with Ramsay Bolton on the Iron Throne after the hardest battle ever fought, in which the combined forces of the seven kingdoms (including Roose, who has grown to fear the power of his bastard's bare chest) and Essos are defeated by 22 good men.
MyUserNameTaken ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 23:05:31 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Oh dear lord we have really wait that long for the books? I haven't been over to /r/asoiaf since around the start of season 5 as I didn't want spoilers for the books. Last I heard was sometime in 2016 I guess he's up to 2017 now?
[deleted] ยท 27 points ยท Posted at 23:28:27 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
GRRM recently posted about this. In brief, he and his publishers were hoping for book 6 to be published before season 6, but the deadline to do so was the end of 2015. GRRM has not met this deadline, and reckons AT BEST that there is is another few months of writing left.
I'm therefore cautiously optimistic for a release in the latter half of this year.
[deleted] ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 01:45:15 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:47:35 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's one hell of a chandelier.
MyUserNameTaken ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 00:31:31 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Thanks for the info. I appreciate it. I have waited this long I guess I can handle a few more months.
DrSmoke ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 00:49:49 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No months dude. Did you not read the post? tWoW will not be out in 2016, almost for sure. He's got many chapters left to write, and publishing takes three months alone.
Everyone on that sub is projecting 2017 for tWoW based on what we know now.
BartyBreakerDragon ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 01:08:09 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Late 2016 (Like Christmas late) is the most optimistic guess nowadays, because it's the next major benchmark to hit really.
MyUserNameTaken ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:26:24 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
sigh
Some one needs to go all Annie Wilkes on his ass.
Dear_Occupant ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:17:39 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No joke, my best friend had to talk me out of this today. I was pissed.
CarbFiend ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 05:53:02 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You realise that he even gave him himself an out for that ETA?
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 06:44:53 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Not fucking around my personal fan theory is that Ramsay Snow is Azor Ahai. Azor Ahai the original guy was an asshole who slaughtered his own wife to make his mystical sword so he could defeat his foes. So we know the original mystical warrior was a sadistic bastard, and when Mellisandre tries to see Azor Ahai she says "All I see is Snow", which is likely not Jon Snow because she had met Jon Snow several times and would likely recognize him. In my mind the only other high born snow at the time, and the only one twisted enough to be him is Ramsay Snow.
cattaclysmic ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 23:39:05 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well, only the scratches his lover gave him...
scarab456 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:05:12 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
In the books I'd describe him as a more brutish fighter more then clumsy; clumsy make me think almost comical.
I thought the imagery was really striking when you picture a prick high-born bastard hacking away at
soldierssmall folk and prisoners scared shitless while being accompanied by a gang of competent/semi-competent Northern cut throats that fear Ramsey in a way but many are poised to to kill him if they were really told to do so.Pacify_ ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:00:30 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I like to pretend that scene never happened
Kai_Daigoji ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:44:13 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You may want to do some rereading. In the books, as Reek, he assassinates multiple ironborn without taking a scratch.
Khers ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 23:54:21 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You mean after he betrays Cassel, then gets invited into Winterfell with his host that vastly outnumber the Ironmen and slaughter them?
That's hardly a feat of combat prowess.
Kai_Daigoji ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:06:21 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Nope, earlier than that. He kills several ironborn on Theon's orders to cover up the Bran/Rickon ruse.
Khers ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 01:11:07 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ah, yes, those three. They were assassinated and not killed in single combat. If I recall one had a cut throat and one was pushed down some stairs. Pretty easy for someone dressed as Reek to surprise them.
Similar thing happened with the Wilding spearwives that assassinated several people in Winterfell.
He was no fighter by any means..
Kai_Daigoji ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:56:45 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He killed 3 paranoid ironborn warriors, but sure, he isn't a fighter. I'd point out that you haven't provided any evidence that he's not a fighter, but I'm sure you'll handwave that as well.
OmniscientOctopode ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 02:48:28 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
There's a big difference between an assassin and a fighter. Arya managed to kill a Bolton guard on her way out of Harrenhal, but that doesn't make her a better fighter than he was. In a straight up fight, I'd take any of those Ironborn over Ramsay.
Kai_Daigoji ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 04:03:47 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
maanu123 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:13:47 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Honestly that part wasn't so bad. He wasn't exactly a BAD fighter in the books, just a clumsy one. In a fair one on one, a good knight should've been able to beat him. But the Iron Islanders aren't reknown for their amazing warriors. Their men are RAIDERS. They're used to rushing in, slaying the small resistance and townsfolk, and leaving quickly after sacking the place. When they went to rescue Theon, their level of skill was on par with any man at arms. Add this to the fact that they're in a dark castle, with full mail, and they're pretty cumbersome. Rasmay may have not worn clothes, but the ferocity of his attacks kept the Ironmen from really being able to land a blow on him. This plus he just had sex plus he was in his home territory plus he was surrounded by tons of Boltons who would flay a child for him. He was pretty confident.
epic_banana_soup ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:07:00 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Actually, I think it's Roode Bolton that describes him as a very competent fighter. I'm reading ADWD right now, and at no point have I gotten the impression that he's not a good fighter.
Loki_The_Trickster ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:48:21 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It kinda makes sense in that the Ironborn (with exception of Victarion and possibly Euron) are actually pretty terrible warriors. Their only strength lies in taking their enemies completely off guard. I.e. - reaving coastal villages and the surprise attacks of towns, villages, and islands mostly free of their soldiers.
They're at least heavily implied to be pretty terrible at actual battle.
And Ramsay is constantly surrounded by competent Bolton warriors and his fellow genuinely sadistic fucks who love nothing more than rape, torture, and murder.
REkTeR ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:16:53 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The show has parted very significantly with the books in many areas by this point. I'm not sure that I would characterize "he's a bit different than he is in the books" as a valid critique of whether or not it works in the series.
DerogatoryDuck ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:46:10 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not disagreeing with your point at all. I just don't understand how "like a butcher chopping meat" is a a good way to decribe someone who isn't good with a blade. A butcher is a profession that is entirely based on precision while cutting meat.
abductodude ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 20:56:04 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Martin has stated they ultimately lead to the same destination, but kind of take place in different universes. Don't expect exact portrayals.
Hickspy ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 00:49:56 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's not the issue. They can portray him however they like, but they seem to be treating him as the only character who pulls off every single thing without a hitch in order to justify whatever story choices they need to make.
abductodude ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:02:40 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What if it's to make it so much sweeter when he's finally taken down? Eh?
Hickspy ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:31:10 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I thought the entire season of torturing someone and cutting his dick off was sufficient.
abductodude ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:26:04 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Shhhh...
OneKarmaPlz ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 01:24:13 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think it's a nice change. Before Bolton came on Joffrey was the supreme shit cunt. And you loved it. Now what if I had told you there would be a character you would despise and even fear more than Joffrey? You wouldn't believe me. What if Bolton was just like his book counterpart? He would just be another Joffrey. In the show he is worse than Joffrey because not only is he a supreme shit cunt, but he is also a fucking A fighter.
OtterProper ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 21:11:44 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I always pictured him as that meat head Harkonnen, not Evil Simon. The series is dead to me for so many reasons. :/
BearFishBG ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 20:02:34 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
He's supposed to be hot-headed and full of himself, constantly trying to prove himself to Roose who just despises him.
jondonbovi ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 21:33:04 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I actually liked the idea of having a character who was evil as Joffrey, but was intelligent and considered an outcast like Tyrion. But they just made him too lucky.
Y_orickBrown ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:45:45 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I really love it when Roose wrecks his shit. "Don't make me regret the day I raped your mother", I would pay to see Ramsay's face when he hears that from his father.
Wazula42 ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 21:51:20 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He's not totally incompetent, he's got a certain cunning that even his father appreciates even if he doesn't fully trust him. What he isn't is a genius military supergod who can take down an army of 50k with 20 frat boys and a lighter.
Wild_Marker ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 22:38:13 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's a season 5 problem though isn't it? I haven't read the books, but in the other seasons that's kinda what he came off as. Maybe not incompetent as he didn't do much at all, but certainly looked like he wouldn't be able to do stuff. Then suddenly he's an absolute monster of a tactician in S05.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:03:11 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That character already exists though. They call him Joffrey.
IndieCredentials ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 22:17:13 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Joffrey is very tame compared to Ramsay. The sexual sadism didn't exist in the books, he was more of a bratty selfish kid who stumbled into power. Joffrey is like the Ethan Couch to Ramsay's over enthusiastic Gitmo prison guard.
tatsuedoa ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:36:49 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Haven't seen the show, but it kind of upsets me to hear this.
I fucking hate the cunt, want him to die a terrible painful death. But the beauty in his character is his relative worthlessness. Protected by his dad's goons and has to use tricks and back handedness to survive.
demostravius ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:54:21 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The show is supposed to be different, which I think a lot of people are missing. It's going to continue and overtake the books, so it has been deliberately written to firstly, appeal to TV. This means cutting some characters, and merging others, and secondly the story line goes in a different direction to the books. They should (apparently) both reach the same destination but the path they take are different.
If people are expecting an exact re-telling of the book they will be disappointed.
tatsuedoa ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:29:22 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I wasn't expecting an exact retelling, I've seen enough movie adaptations to realize that's a bad idea. But turning the bastard Bolton into some invincible genius who knows all is just a bad idea. You can make a brute sadist work on tv, there was no reason to change him.
I've already heard enough differences between the books and the show to know that they need to be seen in a different light, but they're still related and change doesn't need to be forced on something.
demostravius ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:44:57 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He isn't invincible, he only been in a few fights. Once against the iron-born, and once he was sneaking around and not actually fighting anyone.
I'm not sure where people are getting this idea he is amazing. He sacks a castle by seieging it, then lies to get them to open the door, once they are sufficiently weakened of course. Unless he was commanding for the big fight at the end of the last season that is not a lot of combat.
sweetbacker ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 09:15:47 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not true, he's even more diabolical in the books. Did you note that, posing as Reek I, it was by Ramsay's own suggestion that Theon burned those kids, which he was then ostensibly tortured for? Shit's fucked up.
Snugglejitsu ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:39:28 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I stopped watching the show once sansa was revealed in open defiance of kings landing. I know the writers have to take some license but i noped out after that
kroxigor01 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:31:37 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Incompetent? He takes winterfell in ludicrous fashion in the books
IndieCredentials ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 05:42:00 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
By deceiving someone who's pretty much known for being dumb as shit.
kroxigor01 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:50:06 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
What about how he defeats Cassel? This crap makes me sick
tantan628 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:21:36 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I saw a great argument that this is one of the changes from books to show that actually makes a lot of sense.
Because there's always been the question of why Roose keeps Ramsay around; Roose is clearly clever and savvy enough to realise that Ramsay is bad news and likely responsible for the deaths of Roose's legitimate heirs. In the show, Ramsay at least appears to be useful. In the books, well why had Roose bothered keeping him alive? Sure, it makes sense now that he's using Ramsay for marriage to get Winterfell; but what about before? When Ramsay was just running around being crazy, alienating the other northern houses. He was just a massive loose end that Roose never bothered to clear up; that seems very unlike Roose to me. At least in the show, Ramsay has some use to Roose, just as a simple problem solver or a dog Roose can threaten to unleash. I feel like if I was a northern lord and someone said book Ramsay was coming for me, I'd just hole up in my castle and laugh. But show Ramsay has actually achieved things on his own, I don't need to hear that he's being backed by his father to be afraid because he's at least capabale on his own.
MrFrodoo ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 00:24:38 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well by now you should realise that the show has its own twists and plots to the story. I don't know why People constantly need to compare both. A tv show is a different form of media entirely. Thus it will be different. Besides just because something is different in the book, doesn't necessarily make it better
IndieCredentials ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 01:07:08 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They just made him into an untouchable cartoon villain. There are some changes that were good or at least lateral, Ramsay wasn't one of them.
MrFrodoo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:49:47 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Show isnt over is it? Yes I agree that Ramsays character is annoying due to the fact that he is untouchable. They did mess that up a bit but I still stand by my point.
squibbliessn ยท 78 points ยท Posted at 19:33:59 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ya, thought that was really weak. Army approaching their enemy, no sentries or anything, nobody sees anything till its all over.
SerLaron ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:50:41 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
There is actually a real-life example for that. In the Winter War, the Soviets were pretty much bumbling fools and the Finnish forces fought with the uttmost competence, speed and agression. A raid like that of Ser Twenty of House Goodmen was kind of par for the course there.
Khers ยท 25 points ยท Posted at 21:32:09 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Except the fact that Stannis is hailed as one of the most competent generals in all of Westeros and Ramsay is just a sadistic bastard.
While in the finnish Winter War most competent Russian generals had been killed/executed and they were incredibly disorganised.
SerLaron ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:21:47 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, but it is not the king or his generals who have to stand watch in the atrocious weather of a northern winter night. Show-Ramsay is a few grades above book-Ramsay in most non-torture related things in any case.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:40:48 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Let's not forget that Stannis' army is not made up of North men. I don't want to excuse the idea of Ramsay pulling it off, as I also don't like that plot line. But, it's not entirely out of the realm of possibility. Especially if Roose actually gave him his top men. They just sneak in and set some shit on fire. It's not like they killed Stannis in his sleep. They snuck up on cold, tired southerners. Even Stannis ordered the guards hanged because they were either involved or incompetent.
tuhn ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 00:30:21 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hungry, tired guards probably in wrong equipment, camp set in middle of a snow storm in lands that they don't know with untrustworthy mercenaries among them which means that the guards can't recognize everyone.
Risky move but totally plausible to pull that off.
SerLaron ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:16:57 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And in a northern winter night, the guards would huddle close to the fire. Of course this would blind them to everything that happens a few paces away.
kingfrito_5005 ยท 248 points ยท Posted at 19:34:28 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Right? There is something vaguely tragic about joffrey but not Bolton. He isn't a whiney kid with too much power, he is evil incarnate.
Herpinator1992 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:04:31 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Look at the way he was raised. Bastard son of a father always just dangling legitimacy in front of you? He only gave his approval whenever Ramsey was cold or evil. I could sympathize with Ramsey a lot more than spoiled Jeoffrey
kingfrito_5005 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:12:24 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Most people who live a hard life arent blatantly sadistic.
EDIT: Im dumb and confused masochistic with sadistic.
Dear_Occupant ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:31:14 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think you mean sadistic. Masochistic people enjoy taking abuse, sadists enjoy doling it out. The term "sadism" derives from the Marquis de Sade, who wrote The 120 Days of Sodom.
kingfrito_5005 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 05:32:08 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah my bad, Ill edit that, just a brain fart.
ANBU_Spectre ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:42:21 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
By his mother. Roose didn't raise Ramsay, he was just aware of his existence. By all accounts, Roose's trueborn son, Domeric, was a good person who got excited when he heard he had a half brother. Roose tells him not to seek Ramsay out, but Domeric does anyway, and mysteriously dies in agony shortly after meeting Ramsay. Ramsay's a monster who felt his half-brother was in the way of his legitimacy, and it's only after Domeric is dead that Roose realizes Ramsay is essentially his one shot at continuing the Bolton line. Aside from Domeric, Boltons are just fucking evil, no matter how they're raised.
Aalnius ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:20:32 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
meh theyre both pretty similiar tbh except bolton atleast has a bit of an excuse.
Joffrey was given everything and could of been nice and still become king with a wife and a life of luxury.
But instead he abused his power and wielded it over people like a complete and utter twat, there really isnt much cause from the show anyway.
I've yet to read anything truly bad happening to him that he didnt provoke in the book but im only a couple hundred pages into the first one.
Whereas bolton was brought up to be shitty to people, he was a bastard mistreated by people just because he didnt come out of the right woman.
So he worked to gain his fathers approval which is done by doing his bidding in torturing people and shit.
Now either he always enjoyed it which makes him shitty or he learned to enjoy it as he associates torturing people with getting his fathers affection or something like that which is still shitty.
but in my eyes bolton had more reason for becoming a twisted fuck nugget of evil then joffrey did.
[deleted] ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 21:49:08 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The Boltons were always like that. The Flayed Man has been their banner for ages, and I'm pretty sure Ned Stark had to keep a tight reign on them in the days before the books.
I feel bad for Theon. Theon was boned from the git-go - his father basically doesn't give a shit about him, and all the 'bad' things Theon did, he did to get back in his father's good graces. Then, when he finally has that revelation of how badly he did fuck up, he gets Ramsay'd. Nobody deserves that.
ScreamingGordita ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 23:01:47 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Theon killed and burned kids. Nope.
[deleted] ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 23:21:04 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I find it vastly distasteful, but he was in for a pound at that point. To back down was to show weakness, and his Iron Island boys were already looking for a reason to piss on him. He was too invested in his scheme at that point to have any other real option.
Dear_Occupant ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:20:58 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Get ready for a bad case of the blue balls. You're going to get hooked, you're going to be amazed, you're going to become enthralled, and then you're going to wait.
Aalnius ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 12:11:14 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
meh thats fine i now have an eternal case of reading blue balls thanks to discworld.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:17:36 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You'll change your mind after you read the books I'm sure.
Joffrey was beaten, abused and neglected by his father. His mother is Cersei. I'll let that speak for itself.
Ramsey, while having a shitty dad and a raped mother, not only killed his brothers but probably took pleasure in it.
Joffrey enjoyed feeling powerful because he had always felt powerless. Ramsey enjoys seeing others in pain. He loves it. It is not about power, it's about sadism. That is the difference here.
kingfrito_5005 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:17:29 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This is a much better response than the others that I have read so far (havent read them all yet.) Very good point. I still feel that Ramsay is a greater caliber of evil, but I agree that he has more excuse than Joffrey.
CarbFiend ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 05:58:12 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
In the books Roose Bolton was pretty much told that some lieelte psycho was wreaking havoc killing locals and mutilating stock, He was the windmill girls's bastard and looked very much like Roose, so could you kindly go down and sort out your mess please.
When he saw the kid he decided to take him home and over time he killed off his two natural born half brothers without any evidence to point to him, the implication for Roose was that no other sons would ever survive.
chowler ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 06:08:21 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Roose raped Ramsay's mother because her husband didn't inform him of the wedding and then a few years later she brought him to the Dreadfort and purely due to Ramsey's eyes did Roose accept him as his son. He also killed the miller how married the woman.
You are correct in that Ramsay probably killed Domeric with poison, however it was only one son, not two. Roose does fear that Ramsay will kill the child in Walda though.
Benz0diazepine ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:24:38 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think Ramsay is more tragic. He is a bastard who's mother was raped by his evil father. Geoffrey is a brat and an inherent psycho path
kingfrito_5005 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:16:10 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
How is Geoffrey more psychopathic than Ramsay? I mean they are both pretty insane but even at his worst Geoffrey doesnt display the same kind of enjoyment towards the pain of others that Ramsay does. Geoffrey is just a spoiled brat. Ramsay likes hurting people for the sake of hurting people.
Dear_Occupant ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 05:27:04 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Joffrey kills cats for fun and constantly torments his little brother. There's a scene in the books where he blasts a bunch of hungry people with his crossbow, and in the show he does the same to a certain character I won't name in case you haven't seen it yet. Basically, the only reason Joffrey never made it to Ramsay's level is because he isn't old enough. If those two ever met they'd be fast friends.
kingfrito_5005 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 05:33:24 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I will say that in all fairness I havent read the books so I cant comment on that. I do recall the crossbow scene and felt that it was very out of place because he never displays that kind of sadism anywhere else in the show.
Benz0diazepine ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:26:29 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It is unclear whether Ramsay enjoys it because it makes his father proud or because he is an inherent psychopath, whereas Geoffrey certainly enjoys it. Ramsay is more of a product of his enviroment, whereas Geoffrey had the choice to be a just king. We have to remember the circumstances around Ramsays birth, his mother was raped by his father after his father has her husband murdered. Ramsay spends his life trying to get his father's attention and part of this is acting like a true Bolton-which means being a psychopath.
clancy6969 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:45:05 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I KNOW, RIIIGHT?!??!????!
tripreports ยท 109 points ยท Posted at 20:41:35 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This is the worst part of the show IMO. There's been a ridiculous amount of screentime for a minor character and virtually no plot progression for nothing other than torture porn.
BlackMantecore ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 21:50:31 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I am actually really upset that they had Sansa in That Scene. You know the one. Why? There's already so much of that, and the TV show just straight up adds even MORE. Sansa didn't need to be brought down like that.
[deleted] ยท 30 points ยท Posted at 22:35:00 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
In general season five did a lot to really drive the point that evil people are evil. Like a certain character being a pedophile for no real reason besides that we needed more of a reason to want them dead.
iamchaossthought ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 23:36:57 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Easier to tread the same path than create your own I guess
BartyBreakerDragon ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 23:55:04 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The pedophile bit was actually worse than just reinforcing the idea he's an evil man, it takes away any kind of moral complexity.
Before that, the auidience is meant to dislike that character, but he's not categorically evil. Killing him like that would make the audience at least question whether that was a good decision.
But instead it needs to be entirely validated before it happens. And thus you cheapen the potential.
S5 and even S4 did tha so damn often that it annoyed me.
sixsamurai ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:52:19 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It would've been better if they made that character likeable and not an asshole to make the scene more grey.
BlackMantecore ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 23:54:53 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Blergh. This is my overall complaint with the series, actually. At a certain point it all becomes this meaningless ride through hell with people who have no redeeming qualities.
Reytho ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:33:53 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My patience has been tested by both what you're saying, and also the lack of... geographical progress. Daenerys pacing her pad, episode after episode. Can we get a move on?
BlackMantecore ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 09:10:23 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
okay totally though because I keep asking myself, can anyone honestly say this series wouldn't be better as say, three big novels?
LordSwedish ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 01:14:17 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
End of season 4: Sansa is becoming a real player and has evolved to the point where she can become her own character.
Season 5: fuck it, let's just use her as a way to evolve Theon and make people hate Ramsay more.
Watching season 5 was like watching that scene in "the hunchback of Notre Dame" when Quasimodo is celebrated and then totally shit on.
captainlag ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:24:53 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm surprised she wasn't ravaged 100 times since her father died and didn't have his protection.
Figured they wouldn't show anything like that then.... Then season 5 proved me wrong ๐ญ
evil_con_carne ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:21:49 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe he's not going to be a minor character for long in the books and HBO is just setting him up for the bigger role he will play. I'm not saying he's Azor Ahai reborn or anything, just that he'll be an important character-for better or worse.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:44:31 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Sand Snakes are much, much worse
jmdg007 ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 22:38:54 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ser Twenty Goodmen is one of the best knights in Westeros and you will show him respect
confounded_norseman ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:09:06 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
House Goodmen is the most respected in the North.
ZincCadmium ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 20:18:34 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My biggest problem with Ramsay Bolton is that he's played by the crazy hot guy from Misfits.
And that my boyfriend looks a little bit like Theon Greyjoy.
[deleted] ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 21:14:05 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You mean Barry? I bet he'd screw his own sister for a slice of cheese.
JustTheAverageJoe ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 21:18:50 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He doesn't like cheese
Ignisiel ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:08:05 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well that just makes it worse, doesn't it?
lesmax ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 23:22:09 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
SAVE ME, BARRY!
[deleted] ยท 25 points ยท Posted at 19:27:52 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
FUCKA YOU RAMSAY BOLTON STANNIS IS THE ONE TRUE KING 300 AC WORST YEAR OF MY LIFE
SomeMetroid ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 23:01:28 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
STANNIS THE MANNIS
evil_con_carne ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:24:20 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
NIGHTS KING 2016
Because, fuck everybody else
Geter_Pabriel ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 20:34:28 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Loosely related and star wars spoiler so proceed with caution. When they blew up the new death star thing with only twenty x wings I had flashbacks to Ramsay.
McNerfBurger ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 22:21:50 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Soooo...I'm guessing you never saw A New Hope?
Geter_Pabriel ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 23:58:40 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The base was the size of a sun damn it! I know impossible missions aren't new to star wars I'm just saying it was the number twenty that made the connection for me.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:59:38 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He just said he saw the new Star Wars.
Wowbaggertheinfinate ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 20:59:46 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Watch out. You may have got /r/dreadfort in a flaying mood.
rockabilly_pete ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:35:17 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ramsay Bolton is the shitstain of a human who ascends to power only when all of the better people are dead.
He's not some all-powerful supervillain. Westeros is just that fucked; there's nobody left to stop him.
rabiesinfected ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 20:48:10 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Fucking heathens are all banned from the dreadfort!
Bolton is life, Bolton is love!
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 00:00:01 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Bolton is boring if he wins all the time.
Forever_Awkward ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:42:58 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well, they killed off the first character that was meant for nothing but the audience to hate them, so they have to prop up their backup hateporn character.
ymmurri227 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:11:44 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
SNOW
Dramon ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:57:58 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Villain-sue?
LILILILILILLILIL1233 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:30:39 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You mean him and Sir Twenty of the House Goodmen?
Viking_Drummer ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:35:55 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I still can't get over what he and Ser Twenty of house Goodmen did to Stannis' army at the end of that last season. All the build-up for that?
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:47:35 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
/r/dreadfort
bend the knee motherfucker
Lefthandedwolf ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:47:23 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I actually like the performance, but yeah his whole deal is just... Ugh. I don't even know.
mcmur ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:47:12 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
lol.
Thank you for reminding me how shitty the writing was in the last season.
gotnate ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:48:08 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ramsay Snow. He's just a bastard afterall.
Ricky___Spanish ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:41:54 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think I may be the only person to like him.
Drlittle ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:21:43 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Really? I kind of like show Ramsay as a villain.
laddergoat89 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:26:03 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I like him.
I also liked Joffrey.
They are/were great characters. The show without them would/does lack something.
firemogle ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:59:20 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I dunno. I found him oddly relatable.
the_pedigree ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:14:57 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think ramsay is a delightful character to read about. He is far more interesting than most in the series.
UnknownQTY ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:48:37 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If you hate Ramsay in the show, you'd just LOVE Gryff Whitehill in the Telltale Game.
Fuck. Gryff.
necromundus ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:04:41 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You're supposed to hate Ramsay. Reek on the other hand has no redeeming characteristics whatsoever.
fightswithbeard ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:29:05 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You have been banned from /r/dreadfort.
dethb0y ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:51:19 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Fun trivia: there is a small but ardent group of Ramsay Bolton fangirls on tumblr, who actually find the character appealing.
Endyo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:08:57 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I hadn't thought about how annoying his infallibility and apparent invincibility is because the character is so well acted. It's like Geoffrey but different somehow.
uthinkther4uam ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:42:03 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What are you talking about? Ramsay is a true and just lord of Westeros and the only real hero it has.
I now invite you all to join us over at /r/Dreadfort
LordCharco_iii ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:42:44 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"I need twenty good men"
"Why only twenty?"
"The Night's Watch used up all the budget for this season."
Reggler ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:06:03 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'd stay out of /r/dreadfort if you know what's good for you
OgreLord ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:19:20 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Careful or you'll get banned from /r/dreadfort
facepillownap ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:53:26 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Everyone knows that Twenty Goodmen is the best fighter in Westeros.
Robobvious ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:58:53 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
At this point in the show I'd say I hate Little Finger just a bit more. But I still have to read the books so maybe that'll change.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:38:44 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Way better in the book
TheInversed ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:58:40 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
IDK, he's my favourite character. He's insane and just fucks people up.
Megacherv ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:27:43 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Oh man, have you played the adventure games? In there he makes it fucking personal...
IHNE ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:44:25 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
r/teamwhitewalkers
Ragnoks ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:34:34 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Relevant: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2-SEzX5-dqA
CxOrillion ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:15:02 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ser Twenty Goodmen is a beast. He should totally champion for the Faith. Strong won't stand a chance in hell
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:16:56 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't think that's as universal as other examples. Female fans who haven't read the books seem to like him as a villain.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:46:31 on January 7, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Also in the first episode of Game of Thrones (Telltale game) he just suddenly appears out of nowhere and fucks everything up with no consequences whatsoever.
ridger5 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:16:36 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Never watched the show. My first experience with Ramsay Bolton was in Telltale Games Game of Thrones, wherein he stabbed me in the throat as part of the ending of the chapter.
Daharon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:41:57 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ramsay singlehandedly ruined that show for me.
I mean not even the sand snakes were that cliche.
danielface ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 23:56:43 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I like him! The whole relationship with his father is well done and I think the actor does a great job of making him a complete psycho. He's enjoyable to watch and it doesn't bother me that he's different from in the books.
Mohow ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 06:57:01 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ramsay is my favorite character in Game of Thrones, why is he so hated? I love of devilishly clever and manipulative he is.
ThePotMonster ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 12:33:52 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No way. I think his character is great! Joffrey is the kind of villain you hate but Bolton is the kind of villain that you fear.
jshufro ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 20:38:21 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I fucking love Ramsay
Doublebhn ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 21:14:21 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ramsay is life
[deleted] ยท 1838 points ยท Posted at 17:44:27 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Whoever the current Dr is on Doctor Who always seems to get shit on. Then when a new Dr takes over, everybody misses the old one and hates the new one.
bradeo ยท 2849 points ยท Posted at 18:27:51 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Except Tennant no one hated him
SealsMelt ยท 604 points ยท Posted at 19:43:02 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
After watching Jessica Jones up to the third episode and seeing his performance there, I realized I literally can't watch Dr. Who with him in it anymore. He's fucking terrifying in Jones yet acts and sounds so much like his performance as the Doctor.
[deleted] ยท 425 points ยท Posted at 00:45:32 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Basically, Tennant's Kilgrave answers the question, "What if the Doctor was a serial killer and a rapist?"
MrJAPoe ยท 32 points ยท Posted at 04:50:26 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This is the first thing I've heard that's made me interested in watching Jessica Jones
triskellion88 ยท 56 points ยท Posted at 05:32:58 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's a really good show with Tennant as the most fucked up villain we've seen from Marvel outside the comics.
TanksAllFoes ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 07:42:31 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
I was watching the 2nd season of the reboot. That episode where Sara Jane shows up. At the end, when they were leaving in the tardis, I leaned over and whispered in my wifes ear, "Kilgrave leaves another one. He always did like them young...."
I have bruises now.
[deleted] ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 06:43:09 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Personally, I think Tennant is the only only thing that carried the show, and he was REALLY great in it. As a big manly man I giggled when he said "wellllll..." in the show. Going into the show, I was pleasantly surprised to see Krysten Ritter as the headliner in a Netflix show; it was time she catches a big break. The pilot was spectacular, but the story slowed down after a while until I realised I was interested only when Tennant was on screen. Still can't wait for The Defenders, though.
MaximumAbsorbency ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:14:55 on January 4, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
His power is mind control and he literally uses it to rape and kill people and do whatever the fuck he wants.
Its refreshingly not-unrealistic.
Olddirtychurro ยท 23 points ยท Posted at 03:27:31 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And he technically never killed anyone.
[deleted] ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 06:47:25 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He killed lots of people. He just never did it with his own hands.
Bigron808 ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 07:59:05 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hence the word technically. Making him technically correct which is the best kind of correct
FiveVidiots ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 13:25:57 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I have no strong feelings one way or the other.
Zero_Fucks_ ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 12:41:41 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I've had arguments about this one. I'd say that if a persons free will is taken away, the one that controls their will is responsible for the action. So if someone has no free will they are just a weapon, like a gun. No one says a gun killed someone, the person using it did. But then again, other people I've watched it with said otherwise...
ArachnoLad ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 06:38:32 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
How was he supposed to know!
jassi007 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:23:23 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The answer is, my wife would still have sex with him. She spent most of the time watching Jessica Jones screaming at Jessica for not wanting to shag him.
terranq ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 03:11:42 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He never did anything she didn't want!
recon_ninja ยท 126 points ยท Posted at 23:46:16 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's how I felt too. Sure, Kilgrave is a complete scumbag, but he had his quirky moments where I couldn't help but be reminded of Tennant as the Doctor again.
catdoctor ยท 242 points ยท Posted at 01:55:10 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I love it when Jessica says to him: "You're not Ten anymore."
Sikktwizted ยท 70 points ยท Posted at 02:52:04 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's clever as fuck.
ceejayoz ยท 122 points ยท Posted at 03:22:49 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Same episode he orders two people not to blink.
Sikktwizted ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 03:33:01 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not as clever but still clever.
cyborgcommando0 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 05:03:40 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Can someone explain?
tricksie_hobbitses ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 05:10:11 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
David Tennant played the tenth regeneration of Dr. Who, and in Jessica Jones, his character is told he's not ten anymore, like he's not ten years old. Sort of a funny little connection.
catdoctor ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:05:27 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
David Tennant was the 10th actor to play The Doctor on "Doctor Who". Fans of the show often refer to the character as played by that particular actor by the actor's number. So David Tennant's portrayal is referred to as "Ten."
Jessica was telling Kilgrave that he wasn't 10 years old any more, but for those of us who are used to referring to Tennant as "Ten" there was a pun in her statement.
Iamloghead ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 04:54:36 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I missed that and I'm so disappointed in myself for missing it.
SealsMelt ยท 33 points ยท Posted at 00:25:14 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think it's the way they talk. Killgrave talks like a smart British chap with a heart of gold, even when he's being an ass. It's also the way the plot unfolds in their respective shows. Both of the characters always seem like they have a master plan, even when they don't, just because the way the pacing and such of the show always portray them that way.
unhampered_by_pants ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 02:16:19 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Yeah, there was one point where he said "Well!...." just like Ten, and it was uncanny valley.
Edit: Not uncanny valley. But all unsettling and creeeeepy!
JustMyPeriod ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 05:00:12 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I get what you're saying... but just so you know, that's not what uncanny valley means.
unยทcanยทny valยทley
noun
used in reference to the phenomenon whereby a computer-generated figure or humanoid robot bearing a near-identical resemblance to a human being arouses a sense of unease or revulsion in the person viewing it.
NBegovich ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 02:33:54 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
haha I was watching one of his Clone Wars episodes (507 if you haven't seen it) and when he showed up, I went "Stay away from those kids, you fucking rapist!" haha I showed him
recon_ninja ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 02:42:32 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I was so pleasantly surprised to find him in anything Star Wars when I watched that episode.
NBegovich ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 03:38:05 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He's canon! David Tennant is canon!
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 04:32:29 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not as of last year. SW eps 1-7 are all there is now.
sunshinenorcas ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:51:22 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Lucas was invovled with Clone Wars, so it's actually still regarded as canon.
NBegovich ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:35:27 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The Clone Wars is canon, actually. It got grandfathered in.
0whodidyousay0 ยท 31 points ยท Posted at 01:27:40 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Tennant is great as Kilgrave, I think he's probably Marvels best villain they've put onscreen (live action), rivalled by Loki
[deleted] ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 04:56:40 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I dunno. The Kingpin in Daredevil is phenomenally well done by Vincent D'Onofrio. Better than Loki, even.
0whodidyousay0 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 10:52:41 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Each to their own, I much prefer Kilgrave to Kingpin
radicalelation ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 02:10:09 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The Avenger films, and the standalone Avenger hero features, villains are criminally underused and underwhelming. Damn near every single one.
Loki could have been so much more, and still could be, and while he's played wonderfully, the plots involving him are so... empty. So much potential too, but never really gets used. Same with everyone so far but Obadiah in the Iron Man movies. Ivan Vanko was so fucking cool and Rourke was awesome in the role, but his villainy as a character was wasted. Red Skull in First Avenger was wasted, though Winter Soldier was pretty great. It helped that the overall "villain" was an organization, and the personal relationship to Cap aided in making Bucky a better threat.
And don't get me started on Ultron.
0whodidyousay0 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 10:55:14 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The thing with Ultron is, he was never going to be that much of a threat, not in a single film...The film is called Age of Ultron but, it was more like the week Ultron was a bit of a nuisance. It seems that despite him being true AI, he was still a pretty stupid villain...and also another annoying aspect is that yet another Marvel film ended in everyone fighting a load of Stark robots, eh
stufff ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:50:23 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Seriously? Loki is a whiny kid who didn't get enough of daddy's approval. Loki as the main villain was one of the reasons I didn't think Avengers was very good.
RealGamerGod88 ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 02:15:30 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
JESSICAA! COME BACK HERE JESSICA!
OverHaze ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 00:33:13 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And Tennant had to have done that deliberately. The man has rang Killgrave echoing The Doctor had to have been a choice. I mean the man knew who his audience was.
SealsMelt ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:34:05 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Probably, yeah.
juanes3020 ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 01:26:08 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm glad he gave us an amazing villain.
DashCat9 ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 00:50:45 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I know! I really wish he had just used his normal Scottish accent, just to differentiate it a little more. Though it it kind of effective in carrying over his ridiculous inherent likability by using a voice that's already instantly endearing to a lot of people. (Driving home the point that abusers that are successful in getting away with it always come across as 'nice' and/or 'likable'). Every time he says "Well...." in JJ, I was like "NOT THAT, TOO!"
catdoctor ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 01:56:00 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, then he would have sounded like D.I. Alec Hardy on a ... good day?
DashCat9 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:26:05 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hahahaha. Truth.
SealsMelt ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 00:54:03 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I love his Scottish accent, and I wouldn't be surprised if he initially tried that out first, but then the executives asked him to show off his fake Britishness. His British accent is so well done it doesn't really matter, though.
DashCat9 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:05:47 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yep, absolutely. I just wish they hadn't used it because it ruined the 10th doctor for me in the tiniest of ways.
Tchrspest ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 01:37:41 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I've been meaning to watch Jessica Jones. Is it as good as people make it seem?
SealsMelt ยท 26 points ยท Posted at 01:49:01 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Depends on your tastes. It's not your typical super hero fare. It's not a Marvel show so much as a show taking place in it's universe. It's much, much darker than anything Marvel has ever put out and probably ever will again. She has powers, yes, but she doesn't blunt force her way through everything. Not every episode makes you feel warm and fuzzy. I'm not done with it yet simply because I've limited the show to one episode a day because it's hard to not watch it without being scared and angry and sad all at the same time. It's amazing, but it's also hard to watch.
Random_Somebody ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 02:47:32 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This leaves ones with the impression that there are episodes that leave you warm and fuzzy. I feel that's inaccurate. Seriously, I felt that Daredevil was sunshine, joy and optimism compared to JJ.
I would say it is a very emotionally draining show that centers around abuse and manipulation of all kinds and loved it despite how uncomfortable it made it and pacing issues.
Athienajade ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 02:13:22 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Heck, most episodes don't make you feel warm and fuzzy. I'm like 3 episodes from the end and it has been crazy. I have spent so much time going between trying not to cry and wanting to scream in anger and frustration.
catdoctor ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 01:57:34 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yes! Yes it is.
GuyFaux37 ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 02:52:46 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That was kind of intentional. I half remember reading an interview for the show where he said he was "happy to trample all over your fond memories of him as the Doctor" or something. Needless to say he did an excellent job. I loved him in DW but I like him as an actor better, so it's nice to see him getting other big roles.
vaminos ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:03:37 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, thank God I got to see all of his DW stuff before I saw JJ
JudithvHolofernes ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:31:13 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This but with Breaking Bad and Malcom in the Middle.
derpherder ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:24:11 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My wife was in the middle of a who season when we started watching Jessica Jones.
Do what she did, go watch tennant in Casanova so you can like him again!
UpTheIron ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:41:30 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
To be fair he was terrifying as the doctor. Well, as terrifying as that show allows for. He was the one that made me realize that beneath his face, the doctor is capable of extreme evil if he had the mind for it, and that the nature of his path necessitates extremely evil acts fron time to time, and i think tennant portrayed the doctor perfectly in that sense.
Rubberxsoul ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:22:15 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Oh, keep watching. It gets even better.
guitarkow ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:26:38 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I had the opposite problem. While watching JJ, whenever Kilgrave was on screen, all I saw was the Doctor.
AlluringRocketry ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:31:05 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah but I loved this
Garrilland ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:59:46 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If you haven't yet, go on Netflix and watch Broadchurch. David Tennant stars in it as DI Alec Hardy and the whole show is a really intricate plot of him solving a murder. It's a really good watch.
snugy_wumpkins ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:38:38 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I find the opposite true, I appreciate him more as the Doctor. He is truly a skilled actor, and I find his tenure as the Doctor much more charming and brilliant.
Shuupz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:55:14 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not versed on the Dr Who, but I have watched Jessica Jones and I can say that Kilgrave is one of the bone-chilling villains I've ever seen.
Maenad_Dryad ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:21:56 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's part of what's so frightening for me! It's like some fucked up alternate reality version of the Doctor.
Apellosine ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:16:09 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's a similar performance with just the right parts tuned up a notch to get the creepiness factor out of Killgrave.
Woyaboy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:32:05 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Really? I've come to the conclusion that I can't fucking stand David Tennant. I mean at all.
wreckingballheart ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:03:41 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm absolutely furious he used the same accent for both characters. He's Scottish! That isn't even his real accent!
SealsMelt ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:12:46 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's an amazingly well done accent, so I don't mind him using it twice. He does being British better than actual British people.
wreckingballheart ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:28:14 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Rationally I admit it is a well done accent, and that Killgrave being British added to the character.
Irrationally every time Tenant said "Wellllllllllll..." my brain melted down.
Kakita987 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:42:08 on January 4, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Have you tried watching Tree Fu Tom? It is a children's show but Tennant does a voice for it. That might take the edge off the Jessica Jones view of him.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:57:42 on January 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I felt the same after watching him, in Hamlet.
danmo_96 ยท 410 points ยท Posted at 18:49:46 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I wouldn't say I hated Tennant, but I really didn't enjoy him as much as I enjoyed Eccleston. He was a little too quirky for my tastes, and I never managed to trudge through to Matt Smith.
buttersauce ยท 312 points ยท Posted at 19:22:48 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Tennant had all my favorite episodes and aliens. The one where he becomes John Smith the professor, the girl in the fireplace, and of course, Blink.
artofsushi ยท 59 points ยท Posted at 20:35:37 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Blink is the episode I showed my wife to get her into Who.
All complaints about Moffat as a showrunner and writer aside, I maintain that Blink is one of the most perfect hours of TV ever filmed.
BrendenOTK ยท 26 points ยท Posted at 22:25:38 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Moffat is a fantastic writer, just in small spaces of time. Blink is fantastic, but I don't like him at all as a show runner.
My biggest complaint about Matt Smith onward is how focused on the companions the show has gotten. Hell, 80% of seasons 7 and 8 were about Clara. Whereas it used to be about the lore of the show, the story of the doctor, the story of the companion, and their relationship with one another all bundled nicely into a season where each aspect got a decent amount of coverage. Now all it seems to be is a show about the companion and the Doctor takes a back seat for the most part.
And I realized as I was typing this is that this is exactly how Blink works. The doctor is barely in it. The concept works amazingly in Blink because it was fresh. When the entire show starts to treat the Doctor like a side character in every episode there is just something lost there.
artofsushi ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 22:34:54 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I agree, which is one reason why we stopped watching the show. The few episodes I've watched with Capaldi have been good, but that is most likely because I'm coming back to the show after a few years away and watch it in small doses, instead of binging.
I think we would agree that Moffat works best as a writer with editorial oversight from a showrunner that isn't him. Much like George Lucas is great at high concept world building, but needs good scriptwriters to make his movies not suck.
BrendenOTK ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 23:03:53 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yes exactly, someone needs to reign him in and say, "Listen, these aren't necessarily bad ideas, but they just don't work."
Querce ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 01:15:28 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
watch the new Christmas episode. It's great.
SutekhThrowingSuckIt ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 01:29:39 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Moffat really has focused on some of the flaws people complained about during Smith's run actually IMO. He brought back a lot more focus on character development, series 9 is very light on companion focus (she's not even in all the episodes) and basically no more "we saved all of reality magically at the last minute!!!" type moments. The companion+Doctor relationship is at the forefront still but its more focused on how the Doctor thinks about and deals with things.
MikeAndError ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:39:21 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Good point: Clara and Capaldi's Doctor seem much more in sync this season. Less in-fighting, more teamwork.
SutekhThrowingSuckIt ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:49:20 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Series 8 they both had a lot more internal tension as well as a very unclear and rocky relationship to each other. In series 8 the Doctor was finding himself (leading up to "I am not a good man! And I'm not a bad man. I am not a hero. I'm definitely not a president. And no, I'm not an officer. You know what I am? I... am... an idiot. With a box and a screwdriver, passing through, helping out, learning.") and Clara picking up some of his traits, both good and bad, and losing the person she used to be/her connection to Earth. Series 9 is basically them romping around with him being more chilled out and her giving up on any part of her previous self.
Starrystars ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:51:24 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Doctor lite episodes are good every once in a while. It's like a little spin off where you get to see all the weird stuff happening to people. Allows a sort of freedom with the characters that you don't normally get.
BrendenOTK ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 10:15:22 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, I totally agree. It's one reason why Blink is so good. Now the whole show almost feels that way. I mean the character is there, but that's it. He's just kind of there while the Ponds and Clara took control.
elduderinodude ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:33:44 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
starring Carey Mulligan...
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:08:17 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I made a joke about Weeping Angels once.
My sister made me watch Blink.
I wanna get into the series now.
artofsushi ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 22:21:27 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The only modern Doctor I haven't watched all of is 12. Tennant's Tenth Doctor was my first, but I really enjoyed Eccelston once I got into the show.
I'm still sad that he (Eccelston) had such a miserable time on the show because he really was (to borrow a catchphrase) brilliant. It's a shame they couldn't convince him to come back for The Day of The Doctor
getoutofheretaffer ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:36:20 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Have you seen 'Listen'? It's one of the best episodes of Who I've ever seen.
JudithvHolofernes ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:35:14 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Blink is the first episode I ever saw. I watched a rerun one night out of boredom and was like "Guess I'll give this famous kids' show a try". I was alone in my parents house which is in the middle of nowhere. Didn't sleep a wink, hooked ever since.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:59:13 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Funny enough, David Tennant is barely in that episode.
infernal_llamas ยท 43 points ยท Posted at 20:31:06 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Don't forget the Satan Pit.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:45:15 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Jesus fuck I remember watching that when I was about 9 years old and I couldn't sleep for weeks
philequal ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 21:24:40 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
While I think seasons 5 and 6 of the new series were the best, David Tennant was by far the better actor. If only they had had that big budget during his run...
anincompoop25 ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 21:14:58 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
except Matt Smith ruined blink for me
buttersauce ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 21:17:39 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Just by having the angels on again in that terrible episode in the mine? Yeah I didn't like that episode either but I still love Blink.
M4ltodextrin ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 23:51:09 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think the terrible episode in New York really killed the angels for me, as well as Moffat as the show runner.
disposable_me_0001 ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 00:03:43 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
yeah, the spaceship cave episode did some damage but still wasn't fatal. The NY angels episode was a fatal blow.
M4ltodextrin ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:04:32 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It seems that any time The Doctor goes to New York it's a horrible episode.
BartyBreakerDragon ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 01:00:49 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I am still baffled as to why they ever thought showing the angles move was a smart idea.
Like... you are removing the singular element that makes the Angels so wonderfully terrifying. It's just... urgh
FishyWulf ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:43:42 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Wait, when did that happen?
BartyBreakerDragon ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 11:26:21 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Crash of the Byzantium dual parter; Amy can't have her eyes open, (because reasons) so She has to to walk as if she can see to trick the angels into not moving.
When it obviously doesn't work, you see the angels moving on screen towards her very slowly in some kinda shitty CGI that ruins the mystery.
FishyWulf ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:58:17 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I didn't even notice that. Wouldn't it have been so much easier to revolve the camera around her and shift the statues closer to her with each sweep? Laaame. I thought the whole point was that the person watching the series counted as a viewer of the angel as well.
MetalSeagull ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 00:17:16 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Moffat ruined his own premise. Set up whatever crazy rule you want. They touch you and you time travel. Fine. Great, even. But once you set it, don't break it.
If you want a monster that grabs you, and you either break you own body to get loose, or die unable to free yourself, then create a new monster. It's not like they have so many one more would be confusing. At the very least, make it a variety of the old one, and not just a copy. How about war heros? Or statesman? There are plenty of statues of them around. The thought of a statue of a guy on a horse, where one moment it's standing, and next rearing is pretty terrifying. Like the topiary animals in the Shining.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:48:16 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Loved his episodes, but just a tad too arrogant for my taste.
But his hair nearly, nearly makes up for it.
buttersauce ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 21:16:53 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think the doctor is always arrogant.
UndyingJellyfish ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:26:52 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I also liked when The Master was a man, Missy is great too, but the way The Master was portrayed in the Tennnant episodes was so much more compelling to watch.
REVfoREVer ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:03:33 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The Empty Child was probably my all-time favorite, which is part of the reason I prefer Eccleston. So creepy...
buttersauce ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:23:41 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'll have to agree here. That one was great.
Sandy_Emm ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:41:04 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Oh my god the Family of Blood and Human Nature episodes. Some of my favorites. But god DAMN I fucking hated John Smith. David Tennant did an excellent job this episode
buttersauce ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:32:51 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"I know now why he was running.... He was being merciful"
Damn I get chills every time I hear that.
Shed412 ยท 486 points ยท Posted at 18:56:03 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Like half of the Smith episodes end like "I will win because I am the Doctor. You should leave." Then the aliens leave. It was fine in his first episode but like he had way too many of those moments.
[deleted] ยท 280 points ยท Posted at 19:31:22 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I just wish that they did a little bit more worldbuilding, I mean seriously. They're working with an entire goddamn universe but somehow can't come up with any new scary antagonists other than the Daleks.
TheWatersOfMars ยท 52 points ยท Posted at 20:25:26 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The Weeping Angels? The Silence? Matt Smith's era didn't have any real interest in villains as opposed to monsters, though. (Here's a great essay on the subject, although the Capaldi era has done a complete 180 on this.)
Also, I don't really think "worldbuilding" is something Doctor Who has ever done or should be interested in doing for very long. Having a home base like Rose's family is a good idea, but the whole point of Doctor Who is that we quickly establish a world and then leave it within an episode or two, with possibly a revolution or two in the meantime.
infernal_llamas ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 20:35:32 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It was a feature from the beginning, but I guess that is a side effect of a good horror episode, the inevitably unstoppable nature of the threat.
All the "great" episodes feature that. Look at Midnight. one of the most terrifying episodes around. (Although I guess that it along with library and blink features what can be best describes as creatures wanting to feed.)
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 20:41:36 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well, by "worldbuilding," I don't mean each world individually, but the universe as a whole.
TheWatersOfMars ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 20:48:17 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Right, but that's what I'm saying. Part of what makes Doctor Who great is that it doesn't have a consistent, expandable universe. Just as the show's values and ideas are reevaluated and reinterpreted over time, the universe itself doesn't stay fixed. It's less about building a universe to explore, and more about exploring individual worlds that aren't part of some broader worldbuilding project.
A good comparison point is Star Trek. It's far more immersive, and the worldbuilding across times and planets allows Star Trek to confront the nuances of its values. But with Doctor Who, you get to paint the broad strokes of something like the Federation and then overthrow it!
ban_this ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 21:51:51 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
To me it actually wouldn't make sense for Doctor Who to have very much world building. It's not like Star Trek where they travel at a finite speed and so they're in a particular part of space so they're going to be running into the Klingons or Romulans over and over since they're neighbours.
The Doctor can go anywhere in both time and space. All world building would do would make the universe seem small. The whole point of Doctor Who is that there are an unlimited amount of possibilities in the universe that we're getting a glimpse of.
EsQuiteMexican ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:21:53 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
But it is pretty worldbuilt. You just don't see it as easily because it goes throughout a hundred trillion years. There are stages established: the Time War, the Fourth Human Empire, the New Earth... it only takes too long watching to observe it.
JRW-98 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 22:27:11 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's because timelords have always been the daleks number one enemy.. Their main goal across every dalek in the universe is to exterminate the doctor for "defeating" them. That's why they reoccur so often, they're literally part of the entire story, not just one episode.
Groincobbler ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:00:44 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The Daleks and the Time Lords didn't get in to conflict for years and years of the classic show. They reappear so often because they were the first alien monsters in the show, and the episodes tha introduced them were instrumental in the show ever finding an audience at all. Considering the pilot, very shortly before the Daleks showed up, aired the day after the JFK assassination, and nobody saw it.
Now, the Daleks were at war the Thals for so long that their whole society fell apart in the process, long before the Daleks ever knew what a Time Lord was, or left their home planet.
Potterwatch8 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 01:03:29 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I thought The Silence were pretty cool tbh
BlueHighwindz ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 21:29:12 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
I want a Dr. Who episode where the enemy isn't some lunatic with grand schemes to conquer the galaxy, he's just a scoundrel with a gun who has no idea who the Doctor is. Then when the Doctor tries his usual tricks of "I'm the Doctor, fear me" the villain just laughs and punches him in the face. Let's see the Doctor face a thug using simple and crude methods. He'd be helpless.
SutekhThrowingSuckIt ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 01:26:00 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This happens regularly.
EsQuiteMexican ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 00:22:56 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That happens every time he has a human enemy on modern Earth.
Groincobbler ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:54:35 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You just described a Tom Baker story that had me losing my shit through the whole thing. It is called The Seeds of Doom. It is a story about super dangerous seed pods found in the Antarctic, which are stolen by a crazy plant-obsessed rich guy. Basically, The Doctor knows what the seeds are, and he knows that he needs to destroy or contain them. Except the more direct villain of story is the rich guy's thug, Scorby. The Doctor can't go and save everybody because if he does Scorby will punch him. No really. Scorby stops the Doctor, and tries to lock him up somewhere, only for the Doctor to escape and try again so many times that Scorby ends up fighting him repeatedly, trying to throw him in a huge grinder, trying to shoot him, and, eventually, just getting pissed off and throwing him at some trash cans. Tom Baker goes full kermitflail all over the floor, then Scorby picks him up, says, "You look unsteady on your feet, Doctor!" and throws him back at the trash cans. It was god damned hilarious. And Tom Baker was such a big, gangly weirdo, and he sold it all so hard. It was great.
But then, the whole "I'm the Doctor, fear me" thing didn't really happen so much in the classic series. I mean, there was a point in The Brain of Morbius where the villain very nearly pulls off all his plans because he pretends to cooperate with the Doctor, walks into a room with him, then just steps back out the door, closes it and locks it. It's a real all is lost moment. It's like, the door is locked, the universe is fucked! It was a much more grounded character back then.
Shablahdoo ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 22:21:38 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think I read about why they always use Daleks. If im remembering right, the BBC doesnt own the rights to them, the family of their creator does. I think the deal was that if the bbc wants to keep using them then the daleks have to be in every season
Now, since daleks were THE iconic dr. Who villain, the bbc didnt have much of a choice.
mugsoh ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 08:53:49 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm pretty sure that's an urban legend
Xants ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:13:54 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Let's go back in time to some period on earth for the 10000th time!!!
A_Deep_Sigh ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:06:17 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The problem with that is that for the most part, the Doctor's solutions are pretty much always going to work. There's a way to counter the Silence, or the Weeping Angels? Well, now you can just repeat it the next time they show up. Kind of takes the drama out of it.
Shikatanai ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 02:21:14 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The Angels were new in Blink and were an awesome scary new enemy.... but haven't been anywhere near as good since. The Statue of Liberty was a particular low point.
So yeh - you're probably right.
LordCharco_iii ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:45:29 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The Daleks have become really stale now.
It used to be that seeing one Dalek would bring unparalleled fear and rage in the Doctor. Just watch "Dalek" from Series 1 if you don't believe me.
Now he sees an entire fleet with spaceships and everything. Eh.
jianu81 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:30:34 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
yeah they killed a freaking race of Time Lords and they can't just kill one ? Also why do they always insist the Doctor seeing what they do why can' they just murder him the moment they see him
sehajodido ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:02:46 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well there's cybermen too
KeybladeSpirit ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:10:15 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Also, I wish for Earth episodes they'd go to more places and times than present day Cardiff and Victorian London.
Jacksonspace ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 08:11:30 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Fuck Steven Moffat. I swear to god.
IICVX ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:03:09 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
is it just me or are Daleks just not actually scary in any way, shape or form? They're just kinda vaguely pathetic at this point.
Maenad_Dryad ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:17:43 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's because they're just jerking off the fans for most of the series. I used to really enjoy Doctor Who but I'm just so bored of it now.
sdf_cardinal ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:18:06 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Those weeping angels are pretty fucking terrifying.
fatmand00 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:30:43 on January 4, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I just wish Moffat would do a little less "deliberately tearing apart the world for a one-off joke/cool setpiece". The best thing Moffat ever did was create the Weeping Angels (pretty much the only new monster that's actually worth bringing back). Then he seemed to realise his mistake and spent Amy & Rory's last episode completely shitting on them and violating every single rule about how they work.
The first Clara episode (Asylum of the Daleks) goes so far as to have the Daleks start converting humans which is not only an existing monster (Cybermen) but is also totally at odds with their xenophobia - which is their absolute core trait. When they tried similar things (Dalek/human hybrids) before at the end of Eccleston's run and in the Daleks in Manhattan storyline, it gets called out as being out of character, here it's not really questioned.
I'd argue that's because Moffat doesn't think it's important at all for the monsters to act the same each time they appear - he treats the stories as totally standalone, not taking place in a consistent universe. Which would be more forgivable if the individual stories were more compelling, but they always fall apart into a mess of inconsistent character moments and incomprehensible plotlines.
And that, I think, explains the shitty world building and in turn, the forgettable monsters - you can't fear what a monster can do if you don't know what it can do, and you can't know that when you've seen that the rules can be rewritten for the sake of a snappy one-liner. The writing needs to spend a little less time being 'clever' and a little more time being good.
Darkblitz9 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 20:45:20 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yep. I like that they're kind of playing on that with Capaldi. He likes to go "Don't you know, I'm the Doctor!" and the baddies are like "lol, and?".
In the Christmas special for 2015 (just recently) he gets in trouble for the very fact that he's the Doctor.
darknecross ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:11:38 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That actually played into the story arc though. He got the universe against him together to take him down, then he had to erase the records of himself.
Viking_Drummer ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 03:37:35 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Don't forget the quirky tumblr fanservice!
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 06:26:54 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I loved how Tennants doctor dealt with the Family. Actually showing why he was to be feared. They really didn't have enough episodes like that.
pargmegarg ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:15:17 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That was intentional though. He used his reputation as a weapon and eventually it backfired. He became too infamous and every one of his enemies got together to mess him up. So he had to erase himself from history.
HeadbutsLocally ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 20:24:01 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Moffat. Moffat moffat, Steven Moffat.
Shed412 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:38:03 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It irked me a when on the episode before the 50th they just kinda were in that cave and they never really explained how they got out.
SutekhThrowingSuckIt ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:33:15 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
To be fair, they had to cut a scene at the end of them coming out because Matt Smith got seriously injured on set and they couldn't film it in time. It's annoying that it will never have that conclusion though.
optimis344 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:50:41 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He had too many but it did go to show a young feeling Doctor. He was brash but had a resume to back it up and wasn't afraid to brag about it.
A young kid will threaten you, but it's all talk.
The old guy will shut his mouth, but can kick your ass.
This is a rare case when you have an old guy who is a young guy. So he is throwing his weight around and no one is willing to call him on it because it isn't worth making an enemy of the time traveling guy who has a passion for protecting things.
Imperium_Dragon ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:04:27 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Heck, he said that to an armada of planet destroying ships and they did leave. Oh, don't kill him now when he's defenseless, let's go with our tails between our legs!
TheWatersOfMars ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 20:23:13 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, but the whole point of that was they ended up trapping him, as the entire thing was a plan to prevent his TARDIS from blowing up. His bluff didn't work.
SutekhThrowingSuckIt ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:34:10 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That was all showing his hubris because he was walking into their trap. He thought he was being big and bad-ass (and so did the audience at the time) but they all knew more than he did.
vadergeek ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:38:03 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
To be fair, if I ran into the Doctor I would also probably run away. He's killed a lot of people.
PancakesaurusRex ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:21:07 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Finally someone else who has this opinion! I've mentioned this to other Whovians before and they usually respond with "you don't know shit", or "he's done plenty of other cool things before", ignoring that he literally just says half the time "I'm the doctor. Run.", and it actually works. It's why I always considered him the piggyback doctor: he just rode on the success of his past selves without doing as many noteworthy things as they did.
mankiller27 ยท 68 points ยท Posted at 19:30:51 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Eccleston is definitely my favorite.
TheHighTech2013 ยท 58 points ยท Posted at 19:40:51 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The emotion when he delivered certain lines, you really felt it.
"I watched it happen! I MADE it happen!"
[deleted] ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 20:38:51 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, but they gave Tennant some of those dark moments too. And he nailed them. The quirky child-like fun doctor veiled a sinister man.
MetalSeagull ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 00:23:57 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I just re-watched the one with the water monsters on Mars(?) Where he changes a fixed point in time and declares himself triumphant. The woman he saves said he should have let her die, and he was arrogant and dangerous. He was pretty dark at the end of that one. Like he had become too powerful. Nice, subtle acting.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:40:58 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Oh yeah, that is a great one for the dark side of Tennant; Waters of Mars. There's another one... I want to say with Rose or Martha where he almost kills one of the last of an alien out of rage. Brilliantly dark.
Schadenfreudenous ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 22:51:54 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Have you seen Jessica Jones yet? David Tennant plays one of the most fucked up villains I've ever had the pleasure to hate. Going in, I thought I'd only see the Doctor...but there was only Kilgrave. And it's terrifying.
EsQuiteMexican ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:25:59 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I tried to watch it and stopped at the fifth episode. It's very well-written. But it's too dark. I've seen some of the darkest shows out there, but this one hit me in spots I wasn't expecting. Not from Marvel. Not from Disney. It played with some of my deepest fears. I can't finish that show; it gave me nightmares. Well done, Netflix: you made a show so good I can never watch it again.
Schadenfreudenous ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 01:14:25 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ahahaha....it gets worse. Things get to a new high in screwed up.
The general concept of Kilgrave is terrifying, but when given an environment (a non-air TV-MA rating) where he can fully toy with his powers...it's just scary. You don't have to imagine if they'll have him do some of the worst shit you can come up with, because he's already done/is doing it. And that's only one aspect of the show.
EsQuiteMexican ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:59:23 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah... that's what I figured. I put up with Game of Thrones, I'm unphased by my sister's serial killer documentaries, but I can't sit through this show. Not after what little I've seen. I'm out, thanks.
coolcon2000 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:27:58 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Shit, I knew there was something I needed to start watching. Thanks!
Schadenfreudenous ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:26:32 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Given that the show is on Netflix and was given the freedom of TV-MA...they don't shy away with what he can do. Kilgrave(Tennant) has "mind control" - he says, you do.
And there's so much twisted shit they play around with using the TV-MA rating. For instance, he's sitting with a beer in hand, calmly watching soccer. He turns and in a quick, offhand comment, orders someone to jump off a balcony. And that's minor. That's not even the gory or psychological fuckery he gets up to. "Hold this pair of lawn shears towards your face, and fall forward." was a favorite. Forcing someone to slowly lower their hand in a blender? Yeah, that's ok. But planting a list of commands in someones head, then forcing them to forget they're there...only for them to carry out those orders when triggered, or believing it's their own free will? That's there too.
TheHighTech2013 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:09:07 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Kilgrave is the most terrifying person ever.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:42:04 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Oh right? He made that show imo. If you ever get a chance, check out some of his Shakespeare work. He's so good!
fireflash38 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:21:14 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Dark Tennant is best Tennant.
ParanoidReflex ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 20:11:04 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My favourite line of his is from the pilot: "I couldn't save your world, I couldn't save any of them!"
TheInvaderZim ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 20:47:45 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
mine too. Tennant is a great actor with some great lines, but Eccleston actually felt like a person.
That said, the production of the show also started to change once Tennant became the doctor. The cheesy props that made the Eccleston season so great started to get replaced by more and more special effects.
chakrablocker ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:44:14 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Just this once, everyone lives!
shitbadger ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:27:32 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He's the first dr. who I watched , I liked the show then he died after 1 season wtf, I stopped watching it for like a few years then just restarted but not into it as much , then fucking rose went away too !
whiskeytango55 ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 19:45:35 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I didn't really like smith for all the river song appearances. I'm starting to warm up to capaldi though.
Jenna coleman really helps though
HallowedWaltz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:29:18 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I liked Matt Smith as a Doctor but I feel like he got shafted by poor writing. I also didn't care for River all that much.
FartingBob ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 20:40:46 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Eccelston was a great doctor. David Tennant is as well, and is one of the most charming men on the planet (watch any interview with him, he's brilliant), although earlier Tennant episodes are definitely better than the later ones. Smith was just irritating to me and i stopped watching.
danmo_96 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:41:58 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Don't get me wrong, I love David Tennant as an actor, it's just that his Doctor didn't really tickle my fancy.
unhampered_by_pants ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:30:19 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You know, I think part of what made people such fans of David's doctor was his enthusiasm. Playing the Doctor was his childhood dream, and why he went into acting, and it was kind of cool seeing a person actually achieve what he had always wanted, week after week. Not too many people are now doing what their ten-year-old selves hoped that they would do. And the enthusiasm that he brought to the role gave his Doctor an almost child-like quality, at least in his first seasons. Some people really dug that, but I could see how that wouldn't be everyone's ideal version of the Doctor.
Leia1979 ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 20:04:18 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, I spent the beginning of series two thinking "this guy is too crazy and hyper to be the Doctor." Christopher Eccleston is more how I imagined the Doctor (from really only remembering the Tom Baker version), but I eventually grew to like Tennant's Doctor. Matt Smith's version is too goofy for my taste, so I've been making my way slowly through his episodes. It helps that I mostly like the Ponds.
JuDGe3690 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 21:59:39 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
In that case, I think you'll really enjoy Capaldi, especially when the writers find their voice for his character in Series 9. He brings a gravitas and certain darkness to the role with nods to Classic Who.
HowDoMeEMT ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:16:37 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He was to Dr. Who what Roger Moore was to Bond. I love Tennant, and Moore, but the writers just made them more and more extreme and over the top
self_arrested ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:59:15 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
For me it wasn't Matt Smith that was the problem but the awful writing and effects after about half the first series with him I just gave up and won't watch it agian.
Dr4g0n ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 18:58:41 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Same here, I stopped watching Dr Who after a season of Tennant as I just got so fed up of hearing how amazing he was, when I thought Eccleston was way better.
But then I've been a big fan of Eccleston since Cracker.
alexm42 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:55:55 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Tennant is an amazing actor, and my favorite actor to play the doctor. But 10 is not my favorite doctor, for the same reasons you list. He was the victim of poor writing.
ifailatusernames ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:09:53 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Pretty much how I felt. Loved Eccleston, was indifferent towards Tennant but there were some great episodes during his tenure. I hated Matt Smith immediately, and stop watching after about 2 seasons of him both due to him and the writing going over the top melodramatic. I have no idea how I feel about his replacement since I haven't watched him.
Nacksche ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:12:03 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Eccleston will always have a special place in my heart, he was my first.
Professional_Bob ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:33:41 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I liked Matt Smith but the writing during his era was (and still is) crap.
Thecobra117 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:30:44 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah I felt that way about Smith, he just took the memes too far
Atheist_Simon_Haddad ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:57:30 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The companions really made the Matt Smith era worthwhile; especially The Last Centurion.
LDM123 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:11:35 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's really hard to say who captured the doctor better, as the doctor is meant to have multiple personalities, so one form can be serious and one can be quirky; however, I agree with you. Honestly, if I needed someone to save me from across the vastness of space and time, it'd be Eccleston.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:28:54 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Matt Smith did an amazing job given that the writer he had to work with was Stephen Moffat.
Filthy_Badger ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:01:45 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Eccleston was my least favourite new doctor for the sole reason that he didn't seem like an alien. I believe Tennant, Smith and Capaldi are from another planet. They're all just so weird when it comes to interacting with people. That's what sold them for me.
Adarain ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:02:09 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If you perferred Eccleston out of those three, you should check out Capaldi's run. He's a much more serious doctor than Tennant or Smith, he does his job really well. His first season is okay (you don't need to know Clara's backstory (that's the companion) to get anything) and the second one is probably the best one so far. Start with the 50th anniversary special, as it provides some crucial backstory to one of the two-parters in the last season. That's two (good) episodes of Smith and then you can watch capaldi.
Muddpup64 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:09:36 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So exactly what OC said... Nice
MysteryMoniker ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 00:58:35 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I really didn't go for Eccleston, as a kid he seemed to serious for a Doctor (probably have Matt Smith as my fav for the same reason), and when I rewatched some of his episodes recently his acting just feels so...clunky, stale and awkward, he just didn't really fit for me.
The_Mighty_Rex ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 04:01:51 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I honestly hate the show but of the maybe dozen episodes I watched the Matt Smith ones were the best.
tatsuedoa ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 04:38:18 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I actually didn't really like Eccelston at all. Something about him made me think he was kind of a dick.
But hey, opinions.
sevendeuce ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 07:00:33 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
i hated smith. new doctor is my favorite doctor.
Sirlag_ ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 18:54:59 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Because he told you not to hate him
trwolfe13 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 20:37:20 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Speaking of Tennant, everyone should watch Jessica Jones just for his part in it. Then you'll hate him.
bradeo ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 20:52:41 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I still couldn't hate him was just so impressed with his portrayal of kilgrave
catdoctor ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:01:57 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Then go to a Comic Con and meet him in person and you will fall in love with him. Even if you're a straight guy.
[deleted] ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 19:53:07 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It took me a while to warm up to Tennant. I really liked Eccleston's run and Tennant's doctor was really silly.
Then I ran into Matt Smith and good farking lord "silly" took on a whole new meaning. I can't get into his run as the doctor at all because River Song and Amy Pond are plot cancers and Moffat can't story-arc his way out of a wet paper sack.
MetalSeagull ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:29:41 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I liked Amy's story at first, then it got ridiculous. They should have changed companions way before they did. And then wrapped up Clara's arc in one year as well. That also went on too long.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 22:25:28 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Currently catching up, and im in the matt smith part
Hes no tennant, but that fishsticks and custard bit was a good start ๐
supersonicmike ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 01:28:23 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
His personality was just so spot on to be the doctor. They did good casting him for sure.
ellinorianne ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 01:28:26 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I adored him, I loved Eccleston. I don't think I've ever hated a Doctor. Hm.
karmakazi_ ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:27:51 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He was brilliant!
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:24:41 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I've never watched Doctor Who, but seeing how good of an actor he was in Jessica Jones makes me very interested.
catdoctor ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:01:19 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Go. Watch it. If you want to get an example of a good episode that is silly and serious and stands alone, watch "The Girl in the Fireplace." (Series 2, episode 4.) It's on Netflix. If you like this episode, then go back and start from the beginning of the revival. A few of the first episodes are pretty cheesy, but it gets good fast.
bmwatson132 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:02:49 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
As a layman who has seen a good chunk of episodes, Tennant is definitely the definitive Doctor to me.
ProfessorPyruvate ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:08:38 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
After a recent rewatch of Doctor Who post-2005, I no longer like the Tenth Doctor. I wouldn't go as far as hate, but I find him incredibly annoying. He's patronising and sanctimonious. However, I will concede that some of the best episodes since 2005 were in his era.
JoesusTBF ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:35:22 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I didn't start watching until towards the end of Matt Smith's run (around series 7B), but in watching the older seasons on Netflix, Tennant is my least favorite. He's too arrogant, it just makes him unlikable.
nemaihne ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:02:05 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I hated Tennant. Quit watching Dr Who because I couldn't stand him. Once Smith took over I was too far out of the loop to get back into it. Kinda sad since I was a Who fan from watching reruns and new ones on UHF stations since childhood.
MentallyPsycho ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:09:17 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
A friend of mine despises him. So yeah.
captainedwinkrieger ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:14:01 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
After rewatching some of his episodes, Tennant seems a bit more like a selfish psychopath than he does on the first watch. He burned up a regeneration to literally save face, so it really makes me wonder why he didn't do it again (aside from the obvious contractual obligations). He could've just lopped off a hand and pooled the excess energy into it
Surfcasper ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:40:20 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I hated him....no, I didn't.
IsNotACleverMan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:54:42 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I hated Tennant.
Lyratheflirt ยท 46 points ยท Posted at 19:04:06 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Idk, a lot of people seem to like Capaldi. I think he's amazing.
[deleted] ยท 25 points ยท Posted at 19:18:10 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Capaldi's Doctor changed a lot over the last couple seasons, from angry old man to aloof rock star... Not the greatest Doctor of my lifetime, that's Tom Baker, but Capaldi is fine. Capaldi has probably had the fewest number of stinker episodes of any Doctor though.
poptart2nd ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 22:44:45 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
though he did have the worst episode of any show, ever
allanmes ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 23:51:03 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
nah man, that one was incredibly bad but the moon egg one was far worse.
[deleted] ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 03:22:21 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
NOTHING happened in The Forest of the Night. If the Doctor never turned up nothing would have changed.
At least there was some semblence of plot and narrative and POINT in Kill the Moon, and I actually like stuff like the morality choice at the end and The Doctor leaving it in the hands of earth.
Science still shit though.
poptart2nd ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:42:40 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
this is exactly my problem with it. if you have a story that would be the exact same if the main characters were not involved, that's a shit story. Not to mention, the bullshit science in FotN was arguably worse than in Kill the Moon. like, even if we accept that the plants somehow knew that there was a solar flare coming because forest angels or w/e, 12 hours is not enough time to build up THAT much of a surplus. But let's assume it is. Solar flares do not work that way. having more oxygen in the atmosphere would do nothing to prevent damage from a massive solar flare. the whole plot of the episode is just fucking stupid with stupid acting and stupid directing. Scaring off a wolf with a flashlight? come the fuck on.
senopahx ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:35:39 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So how do you feel about Raiders of the Lost Ark?
poptart2nd ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:43:53 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Never watched it.
senopahx ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:50:50 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Wow, really? Indiana Jones? No?
Ok then. It's just one of those movies that it usually seems like most people have seen.
jlyoung813 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:36:42 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
To be fair Kill the Moon would have been the exact same without the Doctor as well.
poptart2nd ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:41:09 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not really, the astronaut lady would have detonated the nuclear bomb.
jlyoung813 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:43:53 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My memories hazy but if I recall without the Doctor she would have had no idea what was going on, and wouldn't have thought to.
poptart2nd ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:45:01 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well I'm going to have to concede to you because I'm definitely not going to rewatch the episode to check.
jlyoung813 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:47:38 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
A sound decision.
nekoningen ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:48:10 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They were going to blow it up anyway, that's why they went up there with a ship full of nukes.
jlyoung813 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:57:13 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Thank you for the correction.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:01:23 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They were prepared to nuke the moon as they had tons of the stuff to get the job done.
Zarathustra30 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:32:15 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hell, the bullshit science in Kill the Moon isn't even that bad. A object spontaneously gaining mass is no less plausible than a box that is bigger on the inside (though the macroscopic microbes do irk me).
poptart2nd ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 23:59:04 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They're both pretty low. I give it to the forest because it was just unending bad from beginning to end.
Shiniholum ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 04:46:53 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
A lot of people LOVE Capaldi but the issue is with the writing, we are wasting such a great doctor on mediocre stories (although the most recent season was actually quite good).
getoutofheretaffer ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:17:38 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I felt that 'Listen' really stood above the rest of season eight.
Moobyghost ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 23:22:23 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Love him, HATED the sonic sunglasses. I raged every time i saw them.
suddenly_ponies ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:34:41 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm having a really hard time getting used to him. Sure, the switch from Tennet to Smith was rough, but it didn't take long to like him. The one is WAY harder.
abbeyrogue ยท 592 points ยท Posted at 18:39:35 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I feel like this new Dr is only hated because he isn't some young hot thing, so young girls feel weird about fantasizing about having a relationship with him.
SmallLumpOGreenPutty ยท 139 points ยท Posted at 19:18:34 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Idk, I vastly prefer him to Smith. But then Smith's Doctor was so OP in every situation, and I just couldn't get into the writing, so maybe that influenced my opinion. But 9 is always going to be my fave.
abbeyrogue ยท 94 points ยท Posted at 19:28:39 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
9 is my absolute fave, but I've been told that your first doctor is your favourite doctor.
I couldn't get into Matt Smith because he just seemed like...a fanfictions representation of the doctor sometimes. "Custard and jelly babies ho ho ho". He was okay to watch, but I struggled the most with his doctor.
Gyvon ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 21:32:14 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My problem with Smith was that he looked like an alien.
abbeyrogue ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 21:54:57 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Looks like an alien. He still does.
MajorNoodles ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 00:17:24 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's the eyebrows. He looks like he hasn't got any.
Gyvon ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:32:30 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think it's more the cheeks
MAK911 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 00:16:58 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Technically, he is an alien though... Humans just look like Time Lords.
Gyvon ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:32:08 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, but he looks like an alien from MiB.
Sikktwizted ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:53:50 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
First doctor for me was number 9, but 10 and 11 definitely are more my favorite than 9.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:18:23 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My first Doctor was 4, way back when PBS reran them at 11 pm.
My favorite is 3, followed by 9 then 10. 3 was dapper, clever, gave no shits, and solved problems with class.
SutterCane ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:55:56 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well that saying is wrong then. I also love the Ninth Doctor and my first Doctor was the Eighth.
Mortarius ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 00:03:42 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I loved Eccleston and found Tennant annoying. He was too quirky in comparison. However, when drama was required, he was brilliant. Few good episodes and I came to appreciate him.
Didn't happen with Smith. Too quirky. He worked in comedic episodes, but never much else. He never could be serious enough and Amy was too in love with him to call on his bullshit. There was no tension, no risks.
Now it's steadily getting better. There are no easy victories and current Doctors knows how to make his 'quirks' cool. Penultimate episode of the series took the first place in my top5.
Tylensus ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 08:23:07 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Tennant was my favorite by far, but I'll give this to Smith, the Van Gogh episode that he was in is probably my favorite episode of Doctor Who. It's just perfect.
Starrystars ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:15:17 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think the difference between Tennant and Smith's goofiness was Tennant was projected outward onto other things, how they they worked and amazing they were. Smith was more inward focus goofiness, which him be goofy and watch him do this amazing thing.
You can see the conversion from Tennant to Smith in the last few episodes of Tennant run. He became focused on himself and how amazing he was. Smith then becomes a doctor who brings back the quirkiness of the Tennant amps it up a little but focuses it upon himself.
bosco9 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:59:42 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Smith's Doctor is too silly/quirky for my tastest, he was good in comedic episodes and had good chemistry with Karen Gilan but he just wasn't good in dramatic episodes
Luminaria19 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:50:58 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Agreed. For me, out of New Who, it goes 9 > 12/10 (tie) > 11. It probably didn't help that I didn't really like Amy and Rory either, so most of 11's stories were just "bleh" all over.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:41:19 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think that's the reason I stopped watching during Smith's run. The writing just fell apart after Tennant. There were no episodes like Midnight or the original Angels episode. I couldn't remember anyone as cool as the Master's return.
brainsapper ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:19:53 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Shame we didn't get to see more of 9.
DMPunk ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:19:59 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Smith will always be my favourite, but I love Capaldi. I'm very pleased that series 9 was such an improvement over 8. The writing was finally able to keep pace with the quality of the Doctor. But of the Doctors I've seen, I don't dislike any of them.
[deleted] ยท 244 points ยท Posted at 18:45:18 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
I like the 12th Doctor. I have liked all the recent ones. In my lifetime I have really only disliked the sixth doctor but looking back even he was pretty cool. The 8th Dr** probably got the fewest good episodes, besides Paul McGann's Dr who only got one weird American TV movie.
I never really saw much of the first or second dr besides a handful of the original Dalek series. I also never saw the Peter Cushing Dr Who movies.
**sorry. Meant to say the 7th.
the_fredblubby ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 18:48:52 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
...When the 8th Doctor is Paul McGann...
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 19:11:02 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Sorry. You're right. I meant that the 7th Dr got the fewest good episodes. Sylvester McCoy.
APeacefulWarrior ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 05:14:08 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No, Six is the Doctor who got stuck with nonstop terrible writing. (Although I don't dislike "Trial of the Time Lord" as much as some.) The last two years of Seven's run, when Ace was his Companion, was largely a revival of the show and had some of its best writing for, hell, nearly a decade. Pretty much all of his final year, especially, is well-regarded in hindsight.
Silent_Ogion ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 19:24:25 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
McGann got a side bit for the 50th that was good, and he's done a shit ton of the audio books, so technically he's been around as a Doctor the longest out of all of them.
TheWatersOfMars ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 20:27:09 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The Seventh Doctor got the fewest good episodes!? But... but... Paradise Towers! Remembrance of the Daleks! The Happiness Patrol! The Greatest Show in the Galaxy! Ghost Light! Curse of Fenric!!!
RedlineFan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:41:25 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I didn't make it through five minutes of Ghost Light
Joetato ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:48:15 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I haven't seen much of the first two Doctors, so I can't really comment on them. However, Three and Four were both very solid. (Seriously, who doesn't like Tom Baker?) Really, I'd say Five (Peter Davison) probably had some of the worst episodes, moreso than McCoy. Though, to be honest, the Caves of Androzani was an absolutely wonderful serial. I wish all of Davison's serials had been that high quality, and he'd absolutely be in contention for best Doctor.
I remember I liked McCoy a lot as a kid and haven't rewatched many of his episodes because I'd rather not ruin good memories if I don't like them now as an adult. Understandable, as his run was geared more towards younger audiences.
The Peter Cushing movies aren't even official (in the sense that Cushing actually played a character named Doctor Who, he was not the Doctor), so don't worry about them. Think of them as an alternate universe thing that in no way changes what happens in the show's continuity.
I actually haven't seen any 12th Doctor episodes yet, so I have no opinion on him. (I got backlogged and am still working my way through all the Matt Smith episodes.) I refuse to watch the new episodes out of order, so I'm not skipping ahead.
chokingonlego ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 21:51:13 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My favorite doctors have to be 9, 11, and 12. It's just that the writing of David Tennant's run doesn't seem to fit anywhere. It doesn't have the same quirky, fast paced, tenseness of Matt Smith, it doesn't have the serious thriller aspects that Peter Capaldi has, and it doesn't have the same sort of slice of life that Eccleston has. It tries to be all 3 of those at once, and it just falls flat. That's why I don't like David Tennant as the doctor. It's just underwhelming.
Annepackrat ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:27:09 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
There are Rifftrax versions of the Cushings movies. It's the best way to see them.
hamlet9000 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:35:35 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's well worth checking out McGann's audio dramas. Since they basically have total freedom with him, they build a complete continuity with a lot of great stories.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:28:04 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
McGann is easily the best Doctor though. His performance in the audiobooks is astounding and those audiobooks are the best examples of Doctor Who.
schleppylundo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:52:04 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The Seventh Doctor's final season was, in my eyes, nothing but good episodes - only Doctor since the Fourth to have a season like that, even today.
supahmonkey ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:09:03 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The last season has probably been one of the strongest seasons since the reboot.
GayleForceWinds ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:54:32 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Big Finish has 4 series of audio plays with the 8th Doctor that are so good that 8 is now my favorite Doctor.
Heroshade ยท -9 points ยท Posted at 23:33:16 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
This comment right here is why I will probably never watch Dr Who. Main character gets replaced THAT many times?
Edit: I guess I should add that I also won't watch it because I just don't think it's a very good show.
SutekhThrowingSuckIt ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 01:24:09 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't follow the logic here. The show has been on and off since 1963 and it's ability to change in tone, story structure, characters, actors, writers, and more while maintaining some sort of continuity is what makes it interesting.
unhampered_by_pants ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 02:33:43 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's part of the characterization. It's not like they just switch actors and someone makes a joke about how the character changed their hair and then everyone proceeds like nothing ever happened.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 02:02:26 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well, it's been on the air for 50 years.
[deleted] ยท 24 points ยท Posted at 21:31:58 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Young woman here who splooshed over Tennant and Smith.
I sploosh over Capaldi too. He's super DILFy.
abbeyrogue ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 21:54:38 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Nice
I love his accent.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 22:15:20 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yessssss. That's a lot of his appeal. "Clah-ruh, Clah-ruh, Clah-ruh..."
Mnstrzero00 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:27:40 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
How else would you pronounce Clara?
Maplekey ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 05:10:20 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"Clair-ah"
Though I do prefer "Clah-ruh" better.
FionaTheHuman ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 22:01:26 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I love Matt Smith, but dude, I think Capaldi is killing it as The Doctor! He's a fantastic Doctor...a smart ass, slightly cold, but really does have heart. The most recent "Hello sweetie" got me good.
SnoopyLupus ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 11:12:40 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That was a surprisingly good episode. I gave up on Who for the first time since Sylvester McCoy this series, and didn't bother with some of the episodes. The Xmas one has dragged me back in.
ycnz ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 19:03:11 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Just disappointed it's not Malcolm Tucker.
grey_lollipop ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 19:25:38 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's exactly why I like him, people of his species can live for ages if everything goes fine, even eternities if they're important enough. So why should he be a young handsome male? I definitely prefer a grey haired scottish older man over that, looks alot more wiser, which he probably is.
However, I'm still looking forward to his next look, it's always exiting to see a new face!
[deleted] ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 20:39:48 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
On the contrary most of my friends who watch dw seem to really like that they finally have an old doctor again.
abbeyrogue ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:28:34 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's what I thought as well, but most of the fan pages I used to watch for gifs and other funny recaps all gripe about how he isn't Matt Smith :/
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:43:06 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ah, yeah. Tumblr especially will get that way, if you frequent that one. That's Newvians for ya.
Welshgirlie2 ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 18:55:39 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Turns me on!
lollylon ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 23:43:23 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He may be older, but I find Peter Capaldi much more attractive than Matt Smith.
Hating on a new Doctor is just how you mourn the loss of the last one. I almost didn't keep watching after Ten because I'd grown so attached, but Matt Smith was just so damn likable. Then Capaldi came along and I thought, well he won't be as good as Smith, but he's just so delightfully sour and snarky.
WhataBud ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 22:25:54 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I love Peter Capaldi. IMO he captivates the essence of a true time traveling Galifreyan who is 2000+ years old. I love this doctor. However, the stuff written for Peter has been garbage, but I loved this Doctor from the get go.
AkariAkaza ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 20:56:17 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The new doctor is great, the writing is awful though
HiNoKitsune ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 02:16:47 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Actually, I've seen many more people say that young girls are disappointed that the new Doctor is older again than any actually disappointed young girls.
hamlet9000 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 21:36:53 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Love the 12th Doctor, but the writing was so incredibly bad that I've stopped watching the series. The age thing is a cargo cult.
Tartra ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:32:55 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This is the only Doctor I've liked. The young hot things were too young, too hot, too quirky, too emotionally woobie and a step away from wearing signs that said, "Buy my scarf at Hot Topic."
This guy? I like him 'cause he does shit, and since there's no girlfriendy relationship with Clara for those young girls to project themselves into, oh my God, does everything feel more bearable.
wbgraphic ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:37:27 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My 13-year-old daughter calls Tennant "the hot Doctor", Smith "the not-hot Doctor", and Capaldi "the old, not-hot Doctor". She's undecided on Eccleston, apparently.
Silly__Rabbit ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:50:35 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Unless you have Daddy issues ;)
abbeyrogue ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:00:37 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'd like to think that it's his accent that has charmed me, not my possible daddy issues haha.
saintash ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:53:43 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I was super looking forward to an older doctor, one that wasn't a flirty dude with the young hot thing at his Side. My Problem with it though is FUCKING CLARA. his whole first season was about her, we dont learn anything about him that season it was all about the hot chick at his side, and well fine if her story was done at the end of the season ,BUT nope they kept it going so i stooped watching. it made me long for the days of rose and i hated rose.
shes-fresh-to-death ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 19:08:29 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think it's a weird people fantasizing about having a relationship with the doctor. Yeah I have my favorite, but not like a "oh man I want to date him/travel with him" way. The 12th doctor is great, my second favorite, actually. Peter Capaldi plays him so well and you can already see his character developing a lot.
[deleted] ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 20:02:36 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
12th? Oh god.
AgeOfWomen ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:56:24 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It took me a couple of episodes to get used to every new Dr, but with Capaldi, I was convinced from the very first episode.
CatchEmAllXY ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:08:23 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I like 12 just fine, more than a lot of others, but I don't watch the show because in my opinion it's gone downhill due to the writing.
MrMadcap ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:46:19 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Really? I'd say it's the writing.
abbeyrogue ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:00:04 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The writing is pretty atrocious, but the first complaints I heard were "he's not pretty!"
MrMadcap ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:03:43 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My friends and I all loved the new, grim appearance he seemed to be bringing to the role. The show has been in dire need of some actual seriousness. But then they wrote him to be just another goofball, along with some of the worst plot lines imaginable, and... yeah.
StoneColdNaked ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:53:46 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I like Capaldi as the Doctor, I just hate the show now. I feel like the writing and plots have really gone way down hill.
GallifreyanVanilla ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:34:35 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't know a single Whovian who dislikes Capaldi, but then again, my circle of fan friends is 30+. All the women lust after him, man.
Iamloghead ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:00:33 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I just had this conversation with a girl today. I liked Donna for the same reason I like Clara and 12's relationship. She experienced the regeneration and it definitely changed how she saw the Doctor and began to treat him more like Donna who wasn't interested in the Doctor so much as she was excited about adventuring.
Derp-herpington ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:35:00 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's not just that. Capaldi has been getting some of the worst writing I've had to sit through not to mention this unkillable and insufferable sidekick, Clara, that is absolutely due to be knocked off a season and a half ago. Their episodes are offputting, poorly written, seem to pander endlessly to the masses who fell in love for the cleverness and not for "permission to squee?" (An actual line from the actual show....). Imo capaldi can act given the right director and writer but with the stuff he gets he is possibly the most disappointing and cringeworthy doctors I've seen.
abbeyrogue ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:53:31 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I agree the direction is terrible and that Capaldi is more than a capable choice, but the first complaint I heard after the casting was chosen was "he's so OLD". I'm not saying its the only reason, but someone said that the " Newvian" fans were the ones mostly complaining of his physical appeal, while many others (oldvians?) Were frustrated by the writing and directing.
chthonical ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:26:49 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
New Who turned the franchise into a Harlequin romance serial.
Sikktwizted ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:52:50 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
mfw this is a mirror of Clara's response to him
KrazeeJ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:06:58 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I personally don't like the new doctor as much because he doesn't feel interesting. He has a lot of aspects that I think are really cool, and I love the fact that they're keeping all romantic subplots with the companion out of this season, but something about him is just so... Boring. I couldn't care less how old he is.
I was actually really excited when people were speculating that he might play almost a Doc Brown like character. I just want to be entertained and kept interested. I haven't watched the show in a few months now because I just can't stay involved. Every time something happens where I say "that was actually pretty badass. I might be starting to like this Doctor more" it always is followed by a whole lot of nothing.
And don't even get me started on those fucking Sonic Sunglasses.
MrGary004 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:27:48 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No it's because the show turned shit slightly before he started
iamtheowlman ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:08:38 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Personally, I hated him because he was a sour old man that hated everything around him.
I'm already like that, I don't need a TV show like that, too. That's why I enjoyed 10 and 11 so much - no matter what happened, it was going to be interesting. It was like a slightly grown up Magic School Bus.
Apparently they've made him more like a cool dad with the tshirts and guitar and sonic sunglasses (the fuck?) but I just can't be bothered to tune in and find out.
SutekhThrowingSuckIt ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:41:43 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Series 8 was the story of him finding himself again after everything that happened at the end of Smith's run. He starts harsher and more lost as a character and mellows as he figures out his new identity. In much of series 9 he and Clara have reached a stable point post-season 8 and are are running around having fun together for a few years. The "cool dad" bit was just him trying to relax until shit started hitting the fan again.
Imperium_Dragon ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:04:58 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Oh shut up!
abbeyrogue ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:19:58 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Heh
The_Painted_Man ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 22:09:52 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The actor who plays the new doctor is, in my opinion, a great actor in plays movies Shakespearean drama etc... Just maybe too serious and old for the current demographic of audience. He's more like one of the much earlier choices.
fishcado ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 22:12:58 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Daddy issues
thoronas ยท 55 points ยท Posted at 19:00:23 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I thought everyone hated Clara. And the writing. I really like the new Doctor. This season was way better then his first and the Christmas episode was one of the better ones to come out.
toasters_are_great ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 20:24:15 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm more a fan of Christmas episodes that are Christmas episodes in the manner of having Christmas being important to the plot (as in 2011's The Doctor, the Widow and the Wardrobe or 2014's Last Christmas), as opposed to the Die Hard sense of Christmas episodes (as in 2006's The Runaway Bride or 2015's The Husbands of River Song). Which doesn't make the Die Hard sense ones bad episodes, just that they're not really Christmas special episodes to me.
I do agree about Capaldi and the 9th series being an improvement on the 8th, but for one thing. Capaldi's Doctor has tended to be far more ambiguous than we're used to (especially in the 8th series, and perhaps the most so since Hartnell's interpretation) and less flamboyant, making him a particularly interesting version as we're rather less sure how he's going to react.
sevendeuce ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 07:03:09 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
motherfucker pulled a gun on someone. i would never bet on how he would react.
Cole-Spudmoney ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 21:48:14 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Clara got a lot better when she was paired with the 12th Doctor rather than the 11th.
Boristheslowloris ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 23:32:20 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I hope they actually keep Clara out of the show now. When she was first introduced, she seemed really interesting but then they never took it anywhere. I love Capaldi as the doctor, just wish the writing was better.
LoudFap ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 21:51:38 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I loved the Christmas episode, i think a lack of Clara will do wonders for the doctor. The last few seasons have been soo damn clara focused it felt like it wasn't really about the doctor, he was just a background character in The Clara show. So I'm really hoping hoping we get a good few episodes of the doctor before another companion comes along and dominates.
AwesomeGuy847 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 04:46:47 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No. like every character she had her haters. But it definitely wasn't everyone. And I highly doubt it was even anywhere near a majority of people. Clara was fine. Personally I liked her a lot.
blaghart ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:33:27 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I liked clara. Her impossible girl episode was awesome, and it led into my favorite Doctor Who episode.
Also: John Hurt is best Doctor.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:17:47 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
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blaghart ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 02:42:41 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
acclaimed. They're acclaimed doctors, not reclaimed. Reclaiming is what you do to garbage. Acclaim is what you heap on people you like.
Also, unlike Nose or Scarf, the War doctor avoided any ridiculously silly plots by only being in 2 episodes. He was short and sweet, and never had to deal with a "The Last of the Timelords" or "Underworld" episode.
[deleted] ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 20:22:45 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Capaldi is brilliant, tho.....
[deleted] ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 21:20:27 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
With the last two Doctors it's been a bad lead writer more than the actor. They are trying to attract American audiences, but have lost the essence of Doctor Who.
JRandomHacker172342 ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 18:52:44 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's just like Zelda. The worst Zelda game is the newest one. The best Zelda game is the one right before that
Imperium_Dragon ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 20:05:32 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I liked Skyward sword when it came out...
fiddle_n ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:57:11 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So did I, but unfortunately it gets shit on a lot. Then, again, I dislike A Link to the Past, an opinion which would probably get me exiled from /r/zelda if I said it there.
ThatOnePerson ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:21:35 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
There's always /r/truezelda ?
I liked link to the past, but I've also never played the N64 ones, so clearly what do I know.
manu-alvarado ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:50:23 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Besides, it is pretty much universally agreed-upon that Ocarina is the best Zelda of all time.
Imperium_Dragon ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:08:38 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
In my opinion, Majora's Mask was kinda better than Ocarina.
jjremy ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:49:22 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I disagree.
First, because Majora was better than Ocarina.
ALTTP was my all time favorite, before A Link Between Worlds came out. I think that game is a perfect mix of ALTTP, and where the series currently stands. I had more fun with that game than any Zelda game in years.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:35:32 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The worst Zelda is always Zelda II.
JRandomHacker172342 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 22:37:46 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Are you just denying the existence of Wand of Gamelon?
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:50:24 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's not an official Zelda game as Nintendo had nothing to do with making or publishing it.
jjremy ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:49:47 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Aren't we all?
snailisland ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 22:09:24 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Nah, I like Capaldi as the Doctor. It's the writing in his seasons that isn't very good. Steven Moffat is a good episode writer but I wish he wasn't the head writer. He really needs someone to stop him when he's gone too far and done too much ridiculous shit.
getoutofheretaffer ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:13:16 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I agree entirely. Moffat is terrific in small doses, but he has way too much influence now.
Srapture ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:58:03 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I've yet to meet anyone who doesn't like Peter Capaldi as the doctor. He's probably my favourite yet.
dodeca_negative ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:11:30 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
See elsewhere in this very thread. (Although I guess you haven't "met" those people.)
Mollywobbles225 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:32:42 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Even back before I was a Whovian, I saw a LOT of complaining when Capaldi was announced as the next Doctor. Most of it was from teenage girls who had gotten used to Tennant and Smith. Now I am a Whovian and Eccleston is my favorite (because I started with the 2005 episode "Rose"), but I love the hell out of Capaldi's Doctor, and a lot of the complaints I'm seeing from fans aren't so much aimed at Capaldi or his performance, but the episodes he's been placed in and the writing.
It's probably a good thing they cast poster boys like Tennant and Smith, because if not for Tennant I personally wouldn't have had any interest in it (although I'm certain I would have gotten around to giving it a shot eventually) and the same can be said for a lot of the fans. They brought young fans in, and while that is a good thing, it can also be a very annoying thing.
Srapture ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:50:11 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Oh, I'm well aware of the criticism he got upon his announcement as the doctor. I was probably amongst those criticising. He's done a damn good job though.
Personally, Eccleston is my least favourite doctor by far. Him looking and sounding like some London commoner who you might hire to fix your sink did not suit the role at all, in my opinion.
I did like Billy (Billie?) Piper as Rose though. Probably my favourite companion.
Mollywobbles225 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:58:32 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm just going to take this opportunity to respectfully disagree with everything you just said (aside from the bit about Capaldi), but hey, if everyone's opinion was the same, the world would be a very boring place. :)
RockTripod ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:59:13 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
All pale in comparison to Tom Baker.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 20:27:38 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
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poptart2nd ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:46:06 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah I don't blame Matt Smith for the show turning into Deus ex Screwdriver, he just had the misfortune of being the doctor during that time. I really like Capaldi despite season 8 being fairly weak.
BartyBreakerDragon ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 23:44:29 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I always felt Smith got unlucky because the season of his that had the best writing was when he in the role was at it worst.
He grows into the role a lot for S6 onwards, the writing is just worlds worse than S5.
dajuwilson ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:08:47 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I liked Capaldi from his first line. Then again, I'm not a 14 year old fan girl.
the_fredblubby ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:48:04 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Guilty, as charged
CLint_FLicker ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:25:50 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
See also the current companion, and the current showrunner.
CoopertheFluffy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:29:23 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Everyone loves doctors who have been there more than one season and companions in their first season, and hates new doctors and old companions.
Imperium_Dragon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:03:03 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hey man, Capaldi is cool. So was Tenant.
Henryen ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:29:47 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It took some time to get used to Tennant, but now hes one of the best, if not my favourite doctor. Smith is not an overall good doctor, but his best epiodes are goddamn beautifull! E.G Vincent and the Doctor. Capaldi is brilliant, at least the season 9 one.
You need some episodes, if not a whole season to get used to a new incarnation, indeed.
EriWanKenBlowmi ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:23:13 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Honestly, his first few episodes, I wasn't a fan of Peter Capaldi, but he definitely won me over and then some. And even though people don't like her, I like Clara.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:33:32 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The companions are all 30,000,000X worse than the doctors. I don't watch much Dr. Who because I find the writing disappointingly bad, but from what I've seen, almost all the companions deserve to make this list.
mszegedy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:39:50 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This process is backwards for Tennant and Capaldi/Smith. Tennant was hated VERY early on but everyone then realized he's doing a brilliant job, it's just that "Christmas Invasion" was poorly written. Then during and after his third series, people started to hate him again because they felt like his popularity was unjustified (e.g. due to his romantic appeal). That's where people still stand on Tennant. With Capaldi, reactions have been generally positive throughout his whole career as the Doctor, but it has been at the expense of Smith's image. (There was recently a thread on /r/gallifrey titled, "Anybody think Capaldi had better chemistry with BOTH Coleman and Kingston than Smith?")
DrRad ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:41:20 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This is beyond wrong considering Peter Capaldi (current Doctor) is receiving tons of praise. Any hate you see are 16 yr old "omg he's not as cute as the last one!!!" girls.
imadandylion ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:42:11 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
since when? i never noticed anyone hate on Eccleston, Tennant or Smith. i'll be honest, i didn't really see a lot for Capaldi.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:48:01 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Or because the show is getting steadily worse. With 9 and 10 it was dumb, sure, but in a kinda fun, whimsical way. Now with 12 it takes itself so seriously and it's god-fucking-awful, just totally incoherent and irrelevant to any kind of logical storybuilding
KoreyTheTestMonkey ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:48:44 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You know he says himself he isn't an actual doctor right, why would you use the abbreviation "Dr."?
TheCrimsonCritic ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:00:54 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You got it wrong. Capaldi (the current Doctor) is beloved. It's the head writer who always gets hate. Steven Moffat is the best writer they've had in years and years, but gets hated on because he likes to experiment with a 52 year old show... The selfish bastard!
80_firebird ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:17:10 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I can't blame him though. Capaldi is doing a great job with what he has to work with.
psychotwilight ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:42:05 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not unlike the POTUS, excepting Bush.
MustacheEmperor ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:51:48 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Because the show is gradually becoming worse with every passing season.
ColdSteelRain ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:00:31 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I actually love Capaldi, but stopped watching due to Clara. I think the episode Kill the Moon is really what did it for me, though the rest of that season as a whole was pretty terrible after that. You're actually treated like an adult and forced to make a decision yourself because he actually trusts you enough to do the right thing and you respond by throwing a giant tantrum? Fuck outta here. I'll eventually get back to watching it but had to take a break for a while.
Choco316 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:17:32 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I haven't met a lot of people who don't like Capaldi. Most hate was probably at Matt Smith, but most people I've met came around to him after watching the first season of his run
InspectorGoole ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:21:05 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Nah Capaldi is way better than Smith, Smith irritated the shit outta me.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:23:19 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No one hated Tom Baker. He IS the Doctor.
Meaowchairmanofmix ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:29:57 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I liked him but I hated how they made the new sonic screwdriver into a pair of sunglasses.
Firenzo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:37:31 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well Dr.6 into Dr.7 are the worst shit.
Squeekazu ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:49:04 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I get the impression most people like Capaldi's take on the Doctor, but find the actual writing on the show tiring.
Personally, I found both showrunners' writing styles to be quite frivolous and it doesn't bother me very much.
GeneralLeeRetarded ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:51:03 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I always take a few episodes to get into the new doctor, like I thought this new one was old and craggy, but he can be funny af and super serious when he needs to be..and that finale, cmon..how can you hate on him after that..
MAK911 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:25:37 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Eccleston was great. Tennant was fantastic. Smith was enjoyable. Capaldi just is a no for me. I just stopped watching Doctor Who after Capaldi came on because he just doesn't seem like my kind of Doctor. His story might've changed since I last watched, but it almost seems like he brought a quality drop not just in writing but production too. The different CGI creatures created for pre-Capaldi all had some good quality to it, but I could see just a plummet in quality when the Master was resurrected. I don't necessarily hate Capaldi, but he brought some bad ju-ju with him for Doctor Who.
Prosthemadera ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:27:50 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Nah, everyone loves the current Doctor.
Jokesonyounow ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:35:16 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I expected the new doctor to be an 18 yr old metrosexual
LRedditor15 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:45:56 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I've found out that the current Doctor mostly gets shit on by people who don't even watch the show.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:01:21 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Peter Capaldi, the current Doctor, was actually the President of his local Doctor Who fan club as a kid.
DrSmoke ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:57:37 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The real problem there is the showrunner Moffet.
ZeronicX ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:34:38 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I didn't like the intro episodes for Capaldi, it put me off Doctor Who entirely.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:53:58 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Honestly, the real problem here is Moffat for constantly running the show into the ground, even with top notch talent. He's worse than Lucas from the Prequel trilogy. All of these characters could have been so much better. It also doesn't help that you can NEVER criticize the show.
OrShUnderscore ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:16:07 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Actually, I loved the 12 after the second episode. I think we all hate the next doctor on every first episode.
Indoorsman ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:18:59 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The whooenshownosnhotbgarabagr. What the fuck phone?
TheNerdWithNoName ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:35:34 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
After Tom Baker, they are all crap.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:40:40 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The show was already lacking something when smith was the doctor. Clara I always found kind of meh. I like the old man as the doctor but the series itself just hasnt been overly enjoyable since Tennant imo...
Kwangone ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:51:40 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
There were only two doctors. Tom Baker and Other.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:03:51 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's not so much that as it takes time to get used to them. Except everyone immediately loved Tennant. Smith and Capaldi took getting used to but were/will be loved by the end of their runs.
Maplekey ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:28:10 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Over on r/Gallifrey, people are saying that Peter Capaldi (the current, 12th Doctor) is one of the best ever, even going so far as to hope that he will break the three-season "term limit" that has taken shape over the last couple regenerations.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:30:51 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The people who hate Capaldi's Doctor can eat an Ood-schlong.
He's old, rude, cantankerous, and often-times confused or exasperated, while still being menacing and funny. How is that not The Doctor?
I think a lot of the hate comes from newer fangirls who got used to "hawt" Doctors like Matt Smith and David Tennant.
FIsh4me1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:32:16 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Wait, people dislike Capaldi? The dude's doing a great job.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:44:30 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Nope, people really only hated on Matt Smith. David is pretty much universally loved by Who fans, when Eccleston was on it he was very loved, when Tennant stepped into the roll he became THE New Who Doctor. I think it was really mostly Moffet's writing that made people hate Smith, not that Moffet is a bad writer it's just that he pulls stuff out of his ass a lot and pretends it was his idea the whole time; he's just had small issues that annoy the hell out of people that luckily disappeared with season 8 & 9.
FantasticDucks ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:46:17 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't hate the Doctor. I hate the guy that's ruining his show. Fuck Stephen Moffat. I'll be the first to admit that some of Davies' episodes were misses, but his story arcs were fantastic. Then in comes Moffat and it's all "Consistency? Fuck that nonsense. Let's give the cybermen spaceships and time travel capability and never explain why!"
ManWhoKilledHitler ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:57:57 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's also important to remember that the writing has never been worse than it is now, the current show runner is an incompetent egomaniac who is running the show into the ground to satisfy his own vanity and personal issues, and the current companion is dreadful in every way. That's been the case for decades and once they've gone, they get lionised while the new lot get all the hate.
Msmadmama ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:03:35 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not anymore. All I ever see is how amazing he is and how he should over take Baker for longest run.
Nihht ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:22:03 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Isn't it the other way round? Everyone is worshipping the current doctor after their first season, saying they're definitely the best, and saying nobody could ever replace them? Repeat forever.
Babywipeslol ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:30:49 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I've actually enjoyed each of them in their own ways
Titand120 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:25:30 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I feel like Tennant is the standard by which everyone holds the new Doctor now. People didn't like Matt Smith cause he was too young, Capaldi cause he was too old and wasn't a sprightly Doctor anymore (not knowing that the Doctor has been older more than younger). Tbh I didn't care much for Capaldi's episodes but his speech in The Zygon Inversion won me over. I always love it when a hero character breaks their usual behavior and sort of snaps at people, and his comment about the Time War really suited his "I'm really better than you" attitude.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:31:39 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Wait. Is it possible to hate Gene Wilder? Is this a thing that happened?
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:36:51 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No. That's impossible.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:40:56 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Okay. Just checking.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:47:28 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I mean I just hate the character in general so.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:12:18 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
But there is no one character. It's a different character every time.
Sandy_Emm ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:39:49 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not so much The Doctor, but the companion. I saw it go from Pond slander to River slander to Clara slander. Honestly, it was the end of Clara's season with 11 and people were bitching that it was time for a new companion and that Jenna was a terrible actress and that Moffat fucked up and all this shit. I'm glad Clara has been the longest serving companion and that she left the way she did. I loved her and I love Jenna Coleman and if I could I would personally thank her for doing the show.
TheScottymo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:46:26 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Just like Call of Duty.
DocDongStrong ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:57:48 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think Peter Capaldi is great but a lot of the things around him aren't great. Matt Smith on the other hand was just terrible.
FiveVidiots ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:24:40 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah thats usually how the fan base works. They hate the new Doctor right up to when he Regenerates. Then they all pander to him, praising him and saying how he was better.
I for one always take the new Doctor in stride and have liked every single one from the get-go. Except Matt Smith, it did take me a few episodes to appreciate him. But each actor brings something different to the table and makes the Doctor their own, and I think that's not only important, but a major play in a 50 year old series.
Capaldi is fantastic.
Dynasty2201 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:15:51 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's like blaming a manager for a team's shit performance. Doctor Who is awful - as a Brit, we're sorry it's still going.
The BBC recently dropped all coverage of Formula One, something they've been the best in the World at covering since the 80s and created the link between watching the F1 with my Dad and the iconic Chain by Fleetwood Mac intro music, just so they can save some money to keep shit shows like Doctor Who, The One Show and Strictly Come Dancing going.
I love the BBC's documentaries, but fuck me, how shows like those are still going is beyond me.
praisethefallen ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:57:20 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I really hated Smith, but it might be because I really loved Tennat. So, sounds about right.
Huge real hate should be saved for Moffat though. Fuck his writing.
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 19:09:11 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think Moffatt's episodes overall have been stronger than Russell Davies'.
kingfrito_5005 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:28:05 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Actually I know a lot of people who like this one. A bunch of folks just hated Matt Smith because he wasn't David tennant
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:29:51 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's kinda how it always goes. When Capaldi leaves everyone will say the new Doctor blows, we miss Capaldi. I like Capaldi too. The recent doctors have all been too nice. Capaldi keeps it real.
kingfrito_5005 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 05:21:46 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Capaldi is a nice departure from the other recent doctors, a bit more tragic, but not dramatic like eccleston, and still funny sometimes.
mankiller27 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:30:18 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He made me stop watching it.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:34:53 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's what they say no matter who the current Doctor is. Whoever it is now is bad because the last doctor was so good. But when the last Doctor was the Doctor everyone hated him.
mankiller27 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:48:39 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I really liked all of them, but the new one is weird and standoffish. I could barely make it through like 4 episodes.
rengear ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:20:56 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I didn't like Capaldi's first season, either. Try to power through; his second season, the most recent one, really takes off and he becomes much less standoff-ish and more "cool older uncle." I think he's a fantastic Doctor now.
didhugh ยท 304 points ยท Posted at 21:33:50 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That dog in Duck Hunt.
Zerotwohero ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 02:36:37 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Fuck you dog, why can't I shoot YOU.
LuxoriousMoustache ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 03:10:51 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
At least now you can beat him up in Smash Bros.
dawgz525 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:50:07 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He's worse in Smash though. All he does is spam
mcdeac ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 06:22:33 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My childhood, in a sentence.
ikkewatson ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:32:43 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'd be filthy rich if I got a quarter for every shot I took at that cocky bastard
K1LOS ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:27:26 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Remember when he'd piss you off so you'd try to shoot him, but then the next round would start and you'd lose ammo? Just made you want to shoot the bastard even more.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:44:06 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What? Why?
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ProfessorMetallica ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 03:42:00 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm 19 and I've played Duck Hunt. You're just a baby.
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[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 08:52:35 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Do you not realize that they were common 10-15 years ago? LCD didn't pass CRT in sales until 2007
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beywiz ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 07:42:18 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Nope people still sell and buy for melee.
Dragonpolabear ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 05:58:16 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ever play Melee
beywiz ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 07:41:49 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I've bought 2 in the last month for melee. Absurdly easy to find.
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Dragonpolabear ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:56:00 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I assume there's no craigslist for your area so I happened to provide a nice link to eBay: http://www.ebay.com/bhp/crt-tv
[deleted] ยท 845 points ยท Posted at 16:26:25 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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ab00 ยท 458 points ยท Posted at 17:15:41 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Uh, Snarf, could you maybe like shut up for five minutes?
AtomicBlackJellyfish ยท 319 points ยท Posted at 17:24:54 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The best part about that line is that it came from Butters.
Covert_Ruffian ยท 50 points ยท Posted at 19:15:27 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"And then we're gonna use her blood as lubricant!"
DashCat9 ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 00:52:30 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"Now, don't be down y'all! We can go get some AIDS from the forest!"
CaptAhabsMobyDick ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 20:34:22 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The best part about that line is that it came from Butters.
G_Regular ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 20:55:20 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
When I started watching south park as a kid I always disliked butters, but now he might just be my favorite character. His whole lovable moron bit just pushes all the right buttons for me.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:26:00 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I have a dog named Butters for this very reason.
lolcorndog ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:10:10 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
his name is osbert
Tonyman457 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:17:46 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Navi is the Snarf of video games. HEY!
DCdictator ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 20:32:26 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You cannot watch thunder cats and complain about Snarf. He's like half the show. Either you're ok with Snarf, or you don't like the show.
Annepackrat ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 20:27:49 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Snarf was so much better in the remake where he doesn't talk.
Death_the_1st ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 18:49:12 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
https://youtu.be/AeooQcSd-8g
googolplexy ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 18:58:14 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's actually Andy isn't it? Aw, I like him way more than snarf...but less than orco.
[deleted] ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 19:55:49 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No, this does not belong here. Snarf was a coward, but he overcame his shortcomings multiple times to be a hero. Snarf showed us that you don't have to be a real Thundercat to make a difference, and at least among my circle of friends, he was beloved.
Definitely more than Orko.
JohnnyOnslaught ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:00:19 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I came here to say this, I'm actually a little surprised to see it. I would have thought this was a bit too old for Reddit.
kingeryck ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:49:25 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Plenty of us in our 30s on here.
TrashMinky ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:04:13 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You shut your whore mouth!
Juxtaposn ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:32:18 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, but people fuckin love chewbacca here.
DoserMcMoMo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:47:04 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Man, I love snarff. I'll take snarff over Lion-O any day
ant-on-computer ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:51:35 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"Stop being a douche bag, Lion-O." "You always make shit worse, Lion-O"
Things I wish Snarf said. Honestly, though, I loved Snarf. He was the only one that took anything seriously, the majority of the time.
oldboycleveland ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:18:55 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
How is this so far down? Snarf and starscream dialogue could be my Guantanamo bay.
derpmcgurt ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:42:39 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Oh fuck off and die for reminding me.
UseOnlyLurk ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:56:33 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And when Snarfer finally matures you get Snarf Jr.
dud908 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 00:06:10 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It takes a lot to make a stew.
HappyStalker ยท 376 points ยท Posted at 19:54:26 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Mr. Resetti
BloodAngel85 ยท 48 points ยท Posted at 01:43:24 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He's a little more calm in New Leaf. You have a choice of reasons for why you quit without saving. I usually go with "my battery died" his response for that is, "well ok, keep those batteries charged" then he goes back to his hole.
Ronbonbeno ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 02:13:57 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That is if you even build the reset centre unless you reset a bunch of times in a row
BloodAngel85 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 05:18:33 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I built the reset center. The most I ever reset was about 5 times in a row. Ankha was at my campsite and I kept loosing to her whenever we played a game
Metlman13 ยท 34 points ยท Posted at 21:58:33 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You think he's bad?
Just look at Nook, that little raccoon pusher bastard.
Garg_and_Moonslicer ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 00:13:40 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Nook isn't a bad character.
At least I can pay off my debt whenever and however I want. He doesn't push me to pay off my Mortgage, yet he always help me build a bigger house.
CrazyCalYa ยท 26 points ยท Posted at 01:59:53 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
*forces. He always forces you to build a bigger house. I didn't ask for this. I'm happy to live in my small little house and catch fish, but it's not good enough for that trash-bandit bastard. That time-lord mother fucker somehow waves his hands and doubles my houses interior while I'm off catching butterflies 'n shit, and now I'm straddled with a bell debt in the 6 figures.
Garg_and_Moonslicer ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 02:09:01 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If you don't want a bigger house, you don't pay off your debt.
Nook don't care if you don't pay off your debt.
CrazyCalYa ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 03:04:42 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's entirely too reasonable, I must instead rage over a 14 year-old game.
almightySapling ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 06:21:52 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
But then I have an unfinished task... I can't just play a game and leave a task unfinished, what sort of madness would that be?
ProfessorMetallica ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 03:38:57 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
In later games, or at least New Leaf, you can opt out of adding on to your house.
Apparatjik ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 03:41:38 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah I mean he doesn't charge interest or anything. He won't foreclose on your ass either.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:58:33 on January 26, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If only real life worked this way.
fightswithbeard ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 02:31:40 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They should implement Mr. Resetti into Dark Souls III.
LoneberryMC ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 04:59:07 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
HE WAS THE BANE OF MY EXISTANCE FOR SO LONG
AND HIS SPEECH TOOK SUCH A LONG TIME LIKE JEEZ I KNOW I MESSED UP
giggleshmack ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 04:17:42 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Whatever. Those dirty resetters deserve it. ;)
Keundrum ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 05:49:34 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Mom's Resetti
Iamloghead ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 05:08:53 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
this is the first one I think I've seen that made me angry thinking about all the times I had to deal with that fucker. Fuck. Fuckfuckfuck.
ChuushaHime ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:47:36 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
yet when all of us finally had a choice whether or not we had to spend the rest of the game dealing with him, we all chose to build the fucking reset center because we all secretly love him
my-little-wonton ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 10:13:18 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
this isn't high enough
wetsocks27 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:47:28 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
BAHAHAHA! I used to make my sister think that she would actually lose her entire game. She would FREAK whenever he appeared.
darkbreak ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:14:16 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
On that note, Tom Nook.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:03:18 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
When I was a child playing the original Animal Crossing I wrote a letter to Nintendo on my first encounter with him... oh Christ I'm cringing thinking about it now
xandyr ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:27:53 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
While I was growing up I never once played Animal Crossing. Not because I didn't want to, but because I never owned a Gamecube. I was showing my girlfriend Pikmin a month ago to see if she'd like it and she mentioned that she used to play AC all the time and would love to play it again. I downloaded a rom and loaded into Dolphin (the emulator I was using) and we started having a blast.
The problem with Dolphin is that it crashes all the time. I'm having a blast playing AC, but dealing with Resetti when the game crashes is so frustrating. It's to the point that I don't even care about the progress I lost such as fishing, errands, etc. I just HATE having to sit there and listen to him call me a cheater when the game crashed itself. :(
And for those of you who think emulation is wrong: because I had a chance to sample AC on my computer, I bought my girlfriend a new DS and New Leaf for Christmas. She'll get it when she comes back to school in a few days. I can't wait to play it with her!
zestypurplecatalyst ยท 550 points ยท Posted at 16:52:20 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Poochie.
StuBenedict ยท 144 points ยท Posted at 18:50:01 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Where's Poochie?
KirillM ยท 216 points ยท Posted at 19:03:03 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He's gone now. His planet needed him.
Tragoron ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 19:36:10 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No he's not Poochie is dead! https://youtu.be/kpWJm2iB18M
nater255 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 00:35:58 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Poochie died on the way to his home planet.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:37:51 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
POOCHIE'S DEEEEAAAAAD! (loud cheering)
Zabunia ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:54:15 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Probably just as well.
I mean, I don't want to sound pretentious here, but Itchy and Scratchy comprise a dramaturgical dyad.
chasmoffaith ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:27:51 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He hosts Hockey Night in Canada.
Ah_Q ยท 121 points ยท Posted at 18:30:56 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He's half Joe Camel and a third Fonzarelli
kieranfitz ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 21:28:07 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The rest is a nice schmere of surfer.
dankmeme_abduljabbar ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 00:13:37 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Rastafied by 10%.
jbaird ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 19:30:37 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Who wouldn't like a kung-fu Hippie from Gangsta City?
tkmoney ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 20:16:57 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I feel we should rastafy him by ... ten percent or so.
[deleted] ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 21:45:09 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
When are they gonna get to the fireworks factory?! :*-(
velocipotamus ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 03:07:47 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Homer, I can honestly say that was the best episode of Impy and Jimpy I've ever seen!
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 22:53:41 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
When are they gonna get to the fireworks factory???
TheVainestsafe ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 23:46:31 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Everyone who responded to this is making me wonder if you meant the dog character from the yoshi video games or some reference I don't fully understand... But man fuck that smug ass dog and his difficult controls.
silverrain64 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 05:03:33 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hey, I liked Poochy from Yoshi's Island. He was so ugly he was cute. But for what it's worth, I didn't know the Simpsons reference either.
TheVainestsafe ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 09:29:54 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I actually don't think poochy is too bad, he's endearing as a character. I struggle with his controls though :b
celestial1 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:46:00 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The Simpsons.
ProfessorMetallica ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:32:17 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah! Fuck that big-lipped, noseless sunuvabitch.
hungry4pie ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 03:11:44 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What? Are you 12?
TheVainestsafe ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 09:25:27 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Nah man, 25. Poochy's first appearance in a video game was yoshi's island which came out in 1995. If I was twelve I would have been eight years late to the party.
Kwarter ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:03:47 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Poochie ain't stupid.
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 19:06:35 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Good thing he went back to his home planet
The_Quasar_Kid ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 21:41:52 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Note: Poochie died on his way back to his home planet
TallRedditor ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 18:48:10 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That was intentional though
Shablahdoo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:24:02 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Luckily he died on his way nack to his home planet.
Cephalopod_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:59:22 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Poochie is one outrageous dude
Dzjill ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:57:34 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I thought you meant Poochy and got confused for a second there.
goda90 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:03:43 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Remember to recycle to the extreme
serialstoryteller ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:51:26 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Where's Poochie?
CreamyHampers ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:00:34 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Roy.
forshamie ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:21:23 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yet baby Mario is 1000x worse than poochie on the annoying scale
irish_mutt ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:34:09 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
But he's the rappin' surfer! You the fool I pity.
M_H_M_F ยท 629 points ยท Posted at 18:00:53 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Shou Tucker from Fullmetal Alchemist. I thought he was a great villain slowly descending into madness and he was straight up creepy as balls. He had a bigger involvement in the first anime and every time he spoke I got chills.
I'm not a massive anime fan by any means. I'm a sucks for good story.
840_Divided_By_Two ยท 458 points ยท Posted at 20:14:22 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He's a great father! His daughter and her dog are inseperable!
Big_D_Squirrels ยท 35 points ยท Posted at 22:28:27 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Why do I hurt?
The_Gecko ยท 23 points ยท Posted at 22:48:34 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
'Why....does...it...hurt here?'
Elricked ยท 25 points ยท Posted at 00:11:02 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ed...ward
pappypapaya ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 01:05:13 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
...o
Smailien ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 01:53:21 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
(Spanish guitar riff)
[deleted] ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 04:55:48 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That combo chimera thing creeped me the fuck out. "Can we play? Can we play now?"
That show does that horror/ evil so well.
SansGray ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 00:17:59 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Bruh...
JMAN7102 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 00:21:22 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I've only seen one episode of FMA, don't remember any of the names or plot except that fucker. I didn't remember his name, but I remember what he did...
ScoobeydoobeyNOOB ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 08:56:04 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You should consider watching the brotherhood series. It's incredible.
applegater ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 03:25:02 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Still too soon. Always too soon
DannyPrefect23 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:57:08 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Goddamn it, why... can't fight these feels anymore...
Selinis ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:04:24 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
:(
AReverieofEnvisage ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 06:08:08 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's fucked up.
Heroshade ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:51:02 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Eyyyyy!
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:51:27 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Too soon.
EmEmAy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:50:03 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't know whether to upvote or downvote you...
Genital-Jamboree ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:48:34 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Stop
everythingwaffle ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:18:24 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Enjoy your upvotes in hell, you monster!
Joxavier ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:55:38 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Di... did you just? You did didn't you? fuck you
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:34:17 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That creepy whispering tone he always spoke in... Jesus fuck even if he was just speaking to either of the brothers with good intentions. He still creeped the absolute fuck out of anyone whose ears were paying attention to his ghastly breath.
ExplosiveWatermelon ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 23:50:31 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hehehe... I'm going to hell...
Necroci ยท 200 points ยท Posted at 00:14:39 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The cow goes "moo"
The pig goes "oink"
The cat goes "meow"
The dog goes "Ed...ward..."
Mollywobbles225 ยท 22 points ยท Posted at 03:39:46 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Chuck Huber (Tucker's American voice actor) dropped this joke in every panel he did at a recent convention. It didn't help that someone had gifted him a crocheted doll of the Nina/Alexander chimera and that he carried it around with him. He also did it several times at the artist's table in the vendor hall that he shared with his girlfriend.
Sallyrockswroxy ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 10:00:11 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I would fucking love to see that
Mollywobbles225 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:37:40 on January 4, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well, I saw it about six times at the beginning of December, and I covered my eyes and muttered "No" every time :p I love Chuck, though, he's a nut.
profdudeguy ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 05:03:36 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Why would you do that to me
JMHM77 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 11:34:38 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The voice. The fucking voice will haunt me forever. Goddamn you fma
archontruth ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:44:43 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Dude, no. Just... no.
the_fredblubby ยท 153 points ยท Posted at 18:50:43 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He's hated because he's a little shit fuck bastard who should rot in a place worse than wherever Father was sent.
tofo90 ยท 55 points ยท Posted at 20:23:51 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
But at least Shou is intended elicit hatred and disgust. His character is written to show the depths of depravity people can reach to when they shoot for greatness. It's one of the underlying themes of FMA.
Lucas thought Jar Jar would be the greatest thing ever, but created a monster. He became a real life Shou Tucker. I just wish someone with a big facial Scar came along and head blasted the fuck outta Jar Jar and Lucas before Clones came along.
the_fredblubby ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:22:15 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
True, that. But my point still stands.
thedarkestone1 ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 00:44:18 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I actually met his voice actor at a convention (Chuck Huber). His normal speaking voice is Tucker's (along with several other well known characters he's voiced - he has a very unique voice after all). He actually discussed some of his roles a bit with us and said he enjoyed playing Tucker, but it was probably the character that gave him the most heebie jeebies just because of how eerily resolved he was.
MajorStupidity11 ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 03:11:58 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
In Brotherhood, Tucker is bad.
In 2003, he's a lunatic.
Sikktwizted ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 02:58:51 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You'll find a lot of those in there.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 21:19:19 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
O-ni chaaaan...
:'(
Matthias_Clan ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 03:33:39 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If the first series did anything better then the second/manga, it was Tucker and Hughes.
lolVerbivore ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 06:08:00 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Also the epic fight scene between Ed and Greed.
ScoobeydoobeyNOOB ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:58:20 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Or pretty much the entire last season since I binged on all of it.
TheCakePirate ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:35:19 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Eh... Do... Wah... Do
tatsuedoa ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:45:11 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I was visibly angry when he came back. I had wanted him killed in such a violent fashion that the only uncensored version of the scene is on sites that can get the FBI to your house.
GalacticProfessor ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:02:35 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Which is why I love Brotherhood and the manga. Scar got to him. So satisfying.
kidofpride93 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:59:13 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I can hate him for what he did, but there is something about someone doing the most despicable actions possible for success that I find necessary in these kinds of stories.
TtoxRS ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:19:34 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Have you seen Shinsekai Yori? The story is amazing.
Iamloghead ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:06:35 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm only familiar with the one episode where he commits that terrible deed. You're saying there's more Tucker in the other FMA series? I lost touch with the show. Is it still in Netflix?
M_H_M_F ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 05:19:58 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Netflix has both. The first anime ends like shit though. They shat out a movie (Conquerer of Shambala) that hastily concludes it.
Iamloghead ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:15:45 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hmm...
Satsuz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:40:12 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not sure I've ever had such a visceral reaction to a character and the things they've done. When I think about it, I just... I feel sick, I feel enraged, and I feel such pain for poor Nina. I hate it. But that means they did the job well, great writing. I just can't handle seeing episodes relating to him or what happened very often.
M_H_M_F ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 06:57:38 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hearing the poor chimera speak wrecked me
Bleakjavelinqqwerty ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:04:00 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Is it bad that I felt nothing from that scene? I was expecting something like that to happen.
jay_jay203 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:48:49 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
he was creepy as fuck but i never thought he'd do what he did, tbh it caused me to start to like scar
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:14:33 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Is Tucker's story the same in brotherhood? I've only seen the original and have been wanting to start up brotherhood.
M_H_M_F ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:51:01 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Only until he fuses alexander and nina. after that he's gone.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:58:38 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Perfect. Thank you.
M_H_M_F ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:02:02 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Brotherhood as a whole tells the story a bit better. I like the original anime as well mostly because it seemed more depraved in it's villainy.
Matrillik ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 06:36:04 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Similar vein - Gin from Bleach.
roflpwntnoob ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:06:14 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Gin
Vinvect ยท -15 points ยท Posted at 18:53:58 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ok then
DoktorSteven ยท 713 points ยท Posted at 17:45:58 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Riley and Dawn from Buffy the Vampire Slayer, and Connor from Angel.
Tabletop98 ยท 360 points ยท Posted at 19:03:02 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Oh my god I hated Connor so much, I wanted him to die from the second he appeared on screen. I had actually forgotten how much I hated him.
contrasupra ยท 72 points ยท Posted at 20:22:32 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I didn't mind him when he was an infant.
lunchbox12682 ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 22:03:13 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think when they brought him back in S5 he was finally interesting and not annoying.
Zaiya53 ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 22:55:44 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I agree completely. He was actually really chill after they wiped his memory (even when he got them back), but that second when he gets his memory back & you weren't sure if he was gonna be dickconnor or not... So glad they did what they did with him instead of bringing dickconnor back
contrasupra ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 22:17:57 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I was just watching Angel for the first time a few months ago and I plowed through the first four season but somehow S5 completely bored me one episode in. I liked the idea of them having the resources of W&H, but watching them actually try to operate a law firm was like...the opposite of what I wanted.
[deleted] ยท 23 points ยท Posted at 22:39:46 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Watch the rest. S5 is great!
Cash5YR ยท 22 points ยท Posted at 00:03:57 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"Why can't I stay?"
ScrotusMinimus ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 03:15:30 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Duuuuuude....why? :,(
Cash5YR ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:31:42 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I know... I got sad as I typed it up.
EagleKen ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 00:14:53 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Would you like me to lie to you now.....
NuckElBerg ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 04:45:39 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yes please.
contrasupra ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:45:26 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah maybe. The first episode bored the crap out of me. It might be because I am a lawyer, and the cognitive dissonance over a law firm actively trying to sabotage their own clients really annoyed me. At least they bothered to make one of them an actual lawyer. And I found that blonde lady whose name I can't remember super annoying. But maybe I'll push through it if it's really so great!
yakatuus ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 01:36:05 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Their inability to do so is the central premise of the season. I thought "Conviction" was a great episode that focused on the themes of power and purpose that define the season. To me Angel season 5 is easily the best season of Angel; they finally found a good "wife" character. (he comes out of an amulet) No stupid forced Charisma shit, no forced Connor shit, no prophecies. Just vampires kicking ass.
Harmony is supposed to be annoying; she's a great actress really. And she gets an arch (albeit pretty minor). What worked for her in high school she finds, won't work out in the real world.
contrasupra ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:48:53 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Oh no not her! I love Harmony. I can't remember who I'm talking about...maybe her name is Eve? She just seems like she's meddling in everything for no reason.
yakatuus ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:56:13 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Oh yeah. I forgot about her. Teenage me understood why she was there pretty easily. I think her character name was useless pretty face and the other characters treated her as such. By the end they're laughing at her face.
contrasupra ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:08:53 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well by "for no reason" what I really mean is "she's skulking around trying to be portentous and unsettling but she's really just super annoying and I don't care about her at all."
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 01:16:16 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The ending is one of the more memorable of any TV show. Also.. Spike!
lunchbox12682 ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 23:19:10 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I say stick with it. S5gets really good.and is an emotional roller-coaster right until the end. Then go read the comics.
[deleted] ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 23:24:03 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
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contrasupra ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 00:43:20 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Lol I don't even know. I can only say that I get a lot of mileage out of "WHAT THE FUCK WHAT WHAT NO GOD WHAT" and maybe that got me through S4. :p
darkslide3000 ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 00:10:47 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Go back and finish it, it's literally the best part of the show. There's another half-season of "meh", and then suddenly it starts hitting every episode out of the park. The finale is better than Buffy's (real S5 one).
yakatuus ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 01:39:37 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah I'll pass on Standing in the Way of Dark Willow. Buffy season 6 is a masterpiece.
madmaximus17 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:02:54 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Half season of meh? Not really, only a few episodes of meh.
madmaximus17 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:59:49 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Um, season 5 is its best season...
contrasupra ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:01:04 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, so everyone else has said. I'll give it another try.
gimpwiz ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 21:30:04 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"Oh look, a baby. I hope it dies." - /u/Tabletop98
Tabletop98 ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 21:35:25 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Fine maybe he was okay when he was a baby, but its iffy.
gimpwiz ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 21:36:24 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"Ugh, this thing is just taking up too much screen time, screaming and all that."
kurutim ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 21:54:19 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He did grow up to be Pete Campbell.
seriously_kids ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:14:48 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You know Connor turned into Pete Campbell?
wioneo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:46:04 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Watching Mad Men later that fucker came back to be annoying again.
puuying ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:58:04 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Me too. Dammit now I'm thinking about how much I hated Connor.
Juzey ยท 108 points ยท Posted at 18:48:42 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And Kennedy.
BringingSassyBack ยท 121 points ยท Posted at 19:52:26 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I just thought there was no chemistry whatsoever between her and Willow. Kennedy was whatever to me, but I felt like they just put a generic lesbian in there to give Willow another girlfriend.
Asher111 ยท 41 points ยท Posted at 22:16:02 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Agreed. There seemed no reason for Willlow to like her other than the fact she was also a lesbian. Which I found to be such a contrast to how genuine Willow's attraction and relationship with Tara seemed. It felt like they undid a lot of their own good work re portrayal of gay relationships.
Zaiya53 ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 23:01:02 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I agree that it never made sense. At least not for me. People argue that Kennedy was just a rebound but I feel like Willow would never be with someone just to be with them. Also, I always felt like she fell in love with people, not just guys or just girls. I always felt labeling her a lesbian after that felt forced, although I do understand that it was hard back then to even have a gay relationship, let alone have her be bi. Still always bugged me though
gimpwiz ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 21:31:03 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Or, she did a pretty good job of playing a rebound. "Eh, sure there's not much chemistry, but I need this" - probably Willow.
dumbledorethegrey ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:29:08 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Did you miss the whole episode where Willow turns into Warren because of guilt about the whole situation?
Electric_Nachos ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 23:50:41 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
She was SO bossy, especially to Buffy. Like back off, bitch. It made me hate Willow a bit for not seeing this side of her.
stainslemountaintops ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 21:50:57 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I really liked Tara, and Kennedy was such a disappointment, what a bland character.
kilen1909 ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 22:01:45 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not sure I would call her 'bland' but I definitely hated her. Girl had some attitude issues that had no place interfering with everything that was going on. She seemed too immature for Willow.
fidderjiggit ยท 239 points ยท Posted at 18:21:58 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Dawn got better later on imo. Riley was just a fuck up.
mspublisher ยท 82 points ยท Posted at 19:35:45 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Dawn is brilliant in season 7, and continues to be brilliant in the comics.
DoktorSteven ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 21:29:58 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The problem with Dawn was that she started too young. She should have started season 5 as a freshman, that way when we got to season 7 she would have been the same age as Buffy, Willow, and Xander were in seasons 1 and 2. Would have brought her full circle.
dumbledorethegrey ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 22:27:14 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think they were all sophomores in season 1. Buffy had just arrived to Sunnydale after her freshman year at another school.
DoktorSteven ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 22:32:09 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Season 1 was sophomore year, but Buffy would have been 16 since she started at Sunnydale midway through the year. Dawn still couldn't drive in season 7, indicating she was likely 15.
TBoarder ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 01:14:19 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
From Once More With Feeling, early in Season 6, Dawn sings
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:07:05 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I love Dawn in Buffy, but I hated her arc in Season 8 so much I didn't read past that.
mspublisher ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:34:54 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Her arc in season 9 was really mature. In fact, season 9 is overall about 20 times better than season 8.
A_Waskawy_Wabit ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 20:14:40 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's kinda the point isn't it? The show is a metaphor for highschool and uni and Riley was basically your friend who started doing hard drugs and became addicted
vadergeek ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 08:06:47 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That bit came long after people already didn't like him, though.
OddlySpecificReferen ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 22:44:24 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I have a friend who PREFERS Riley to Spike and Angel...
fidderjiggit ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 23:27:12 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
From a certain point of view I can understand that...when Riley was first introduced. In the beginning he was the most stable boyfriend Buffy ever had. We always knew Buffy's romance with Angel and Spike was going to end in tragedy. But until Riley royally fucked up you could almost see a future for them.
Edit: A word.
ShallowBasketcase ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 07:23:27 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, but he's like a loaf of white bread in a turtleneck. At least Angel and Spike had that whole leather thing going on.
redbess ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 07:49:29 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Spike called Riley "Captain Cardboard." It's perfect, really.
banana_pirate ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 19:37:25 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Considering my age when that aired I'm not sure if Dawn actually got better or just hotter.
she's 4 years older than I am
Dougdahead ยท 122 points ยท Posted at 19:54:57 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Angel was such an underrated show. The whole Vampire with a soul angle was interesting. The idea of Connor was a cool concept. The way it played out, not so much. The best part of that show was Fred.
DoktorSteven ยท 94 points ยท Posted at 20:14:02 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I liked how much the show became about the whole crew, more so than even Buffy did. Wesley's arc over the series was fantastic, especially in season 5.
gimpwiz ยท 30 points ยท Posted at 21:31:46 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Pompous pussy to huge badass in five seasons. Love it.
Livesinthefuture ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 00:19:02 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Agreed, Wesley was probably my favourite character in Angel.
The evolution was just amazing.
His saddest moment was probably Fred as she died in his arms.
gimpwiz ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 00:40:53 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
DashCat9 ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 00:53:24 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Still too soon........
calgil ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 03:11:25 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And then he dies in hers.
Sort of
DDonna ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:12:47 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I always use Wesley as an example of great character growth. He was just so damn dynamic.
awesomemofo75 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:54:09 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I really wanted some closure. Who survived, who didn't?
kilen1909 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:00:37 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
There are comics that apparently pick up what happens after they take on the Circle of the Black Thorn and continue the 'verse on. Just like the Buffy comics.
awesomemofo75 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:09:01 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I heard about them. Blackhorse, or Dark horse. Something like that. I will google it
Awful_Antagonist ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:34:37 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Only the first portion is really any good, after "After the Fall" it turns into a jumbled mess and the only bits that where interesting where anything with Illyria.
awesomemofo75 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:02:28 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Cool, thanks. I will check out
zorbtrauts ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:09:54 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No. The best part of that show was Wesley. Fred was cool, though.
valkyrie_village ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:01:17 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Is Angel worth watching if you really hate Angel (the character)?
3raserE ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 02:58:29 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I didn't dislike Angel on Buffy, but he was a flat character. They developed him more, and gave him more of a focus, once he had more room to grow on his own show. Maybe you'd like him better on Angel. Or maybe not. But Angel's a great show, and I'd suggest at least trying it if you liked Buffy.
qytr98 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 04:14:33 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If you are a big Buffy fan then I'd say absolutely; there are a lot of crossover characters and plots that really work well.
I wasn't a fan of Angel's character on Buffy, but he becomes decidedly less annoying over the course of Angel. There are some really really good story arcs in Angel (and, as with Buffy, some really lame ones too).
I envy you - I sure wish I could go back in time and watch either (or both) series for the first time again!
valkyrie_village ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:39:58 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This is the answer I was kind of hoping for, I think I'll give it a shot. :)
bitchycunt3 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:02:31 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I can't stand the character, but I'd say watch it. At the very least for season 5.
Dougdahead ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:10:10 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The show is better than you would think. If you don't like the character then no probably not.
valkyrie_village ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:46:34 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I've heard really good things about it, and I love Buffy, so I'm sure it's excellent. I just can't stand his dumb whiney face...
Thanks for the answer!
NotAlwaysAppropriate ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:18:11 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Check out an older show called Forever Kight. Vampire working with a pretty detective to fight crime and help people to atone for his past sins.
Dougdahead ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:00:21 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I remember that show. The vampire guy was a blonde guy I remember from a few other things. I think he was on a few episodes of Highlander the series.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:12:07 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I only saw the later seasons, but I really miss that show. So much fun.
TheManInsideMe ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 19:40:01 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Riley stopped my Buffy binge cold and with 4 episodes left. I just couldn't do it anymore. He undercuts everything that makes Buffy a strong character. Remember how Buffy was conflicted about hunky boy Angel and remained herself in spite of her feelings including sacrificing their relationship for the greater good? Well here's another hunky boy who's so hunky she becomes a useless adolescent who is just too caught up in the hunkiness to be the Slayer!
Fuck Riley.
MyUserNameTaken ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:16:37 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ehh season 4 just has to be powered through. Its all pretty rough. IMHO it doesn't get back on track until partway through season 5
3raserE ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:02:13 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Season 4 has a few good standalone episodes, but it's my least favorite season. I almost gave up too at one point.
Try watching Angel concurrently. Angel S1 is a bit formulaic, and not as good as later seasons, but it helped me power through BtVS until I reached BtVS seasons 5+6, which were my favorites.
slowgo ยท 70 points ยท Posted at 18:22:04 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Just stopped by to make sure Dawn was somewhere on this list. Ugh, ugh, and ugh. (I can take or leave Riley)
[deleted] ยท 34 points ยท Posted at 20:10:15 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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slowgo ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 21:21:56 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Thanks, now my ears are bleeding from the memory.
contrasupra ยท 23 points ยท Posted at 20:26:05 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Dawn just bugs me on principle, because if you have this magical key that is essential to the fate of the universe and you want to turn it into something so it will be safe, I don't think I could imagine a worse thing to turn it into than a TEENAGE GIRL. Why not like, a single grain of sand in the Sahara desert? A rock at the bottom of the ocean? A small moon orbiting a distant planet? Come the fuck on, monks.
BradleySigma ยท 29 points ยท Posted at 21:54:32 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Glory was immortal, and would have found the Key eventually. The only way to prevent Glory from getting the Key was to defeat her, and the Slayer was one of the few people capable of doing so. Making the Key the Slayer's sister forced Glory and the Slayer to confront each other.
contrasupra ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:14:53 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
But couldn't they have just told her what was up? I mean, the Slayer's whole thing is fighting evil, I don't think she would have refused. And it seemed like transforming the Key into something angsty and uncontrollable that could run away and cause trouble on its own was just asking for trouble. At least if they had turned it into something harder to find/get to they would have bought Buffy & Co more time.
BartyBreakerDragon ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 23:49:44 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think the logic was by making Dawn the key, Buffy would have a natural instinct to protect her, not just duty.
Instilling Dawn as something that's always been in her life means she'll protect her as much as she'd protect any other family member. Whereas just a generic object wouldn't have that same effect.
darkslide3000 ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 00:22:44 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
She would have tried to help for sure, but not with that level of determination and resolve. The end of the season makes it quite clear that Buffy went above and beyond "sane" to protect her. She was essentially ready to give up if it had been anything but her sister (and she was ready to sacrifice her friends for it, which she would probably not have been for anything else).
contrasupra ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 00:46:29 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah maybe, but I can't help thinking that if the key wasn't so goddamn easy for Glory to find they wouldn't have needed Buffy to be so maniacal in trying to defeat her because the whole thing wouldn't have built to a crisis point so quickly.
bitchycunt3 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:08:52 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
But glory was immortal and made crazy people who could identify the key. She would have found it eventually. The slayer needed to confront glory for the good of the universe(s) so they sent Buffy the key so she would protect it and defeat glory once glory found it (which she definitely would have eventually)
vadergeek ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:08:19 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
But Buffy has "Stop apocalypse" as her day job.
Pennsylvania6-5000 ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 18:58:08 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Dawn, not as much, but Riley. Oh god, I hate that guy. He was on an episode of Limitless, recently, and the minute I saw him, I just exclaimed, "Oh no! Fucking Riley!"
prstele01 ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 20:44:50 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I actually started watching Buffy in season 4 when Riley was a mainstay, so I was always okay with him. Then in syndication I went back through season 1 and caught up and was like "oh wow, Angel is way cooler."
DoktorSteven ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 21:25:53 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Angel kicking Riley's ass at the end of season 4 was so satisfying.
SomeTool ยท 23 points ยท Posted at 18:53:07 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
At least Conner got to be useful by the end of Angel, Dawn should have died in her first season.
Cervix-Pounder ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 19:26:05 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
As much as I hated him in season 3 and 4, in season 5 and the after the fall comics I really liked him. He proved to be more mature and a valuable member of the team.
BartyBreakerDragon ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:48:21 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think S6 would've been significantly worse without Dawn as an idea. Because she meant Buffy had serious real world responsibilities that she couldn't run away from.
She was a character done poorly, but I think the show would've become worse for a while without her.
psych0fish ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 18:57:40 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Must be Tuesday
[deleted] ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 21:29:12 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I hated Drusilla. Not for being evil but for making Spike boring when he was around her.
I also thought that Angel was one of the worst characters in Buffy (I haven't seen Angel the show, so I'm not commenting on his personality in that). He's just so bland and protect-y.
DoktorSteven ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 21:55:24 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Angel in Buffy sucks, and thankfully they change him around for the pilot of Angel. He is infinitely better after that.
Kanotari ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 23:34:51 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He gets a personality in his spinoff. And he gets to sing Mandy, which is priceless.
trekbette ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 21:56:50 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Angelus was awesome though.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 22:07:56 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, he was definitely a much better character when he was without a soul.
iwishiwasamoose ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:55:09 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I really liked Drusilla. Especially her outrageous way of talking and absurd lines that come out of nowhere.
Loved it. Though I agree, I didn't like how Spike became in her presence, especially since Drusilla had such a habit of leaving him or threatening to leave him for Angelus.
And yeah, I hated Angel on Buffy. It was a great moment when Buffy stabbed him and he fell into that portal or whatever. But Angel on Angel is pretty good. Though personally I liked many of the side characters more than I actually liked him.
TheKillersVanilla ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 18:12:40 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ugh. Yes.
Nicolelodeon ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:35:55 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Every single episode, I just wanted to punch Dawn in the face. I couldn't stand her whiny, bratty attitude ALL THE TIME. Even still when I catch an episode within the Dawn era, I immediately cringe.
BringingSassyBack ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:51:30 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I really never understood the Dawn hate. She was always whatever to me, and I even liked her at some points.
Connor I hate to the ends of the Earth. And honestly, I can't stand Buffy a lot of times either, but she's not universally hated, so..
kilen1909 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:04:40 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Riley, yes. I recently rewatched the series, and just... fuck Riley and how much he weakened Buffy's character. Dawn, I never cared much for, though I will say I thought that she played the part of the bratty little sister so well. Reminded me of my own younger sisters, which probably made me hate her more. On rewatch, though, not quite as bad.
Asher111 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:23:11 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Agreed on all counts. To me, Riley's annoying-ness comes from his constant issues with Buffy being so strong (both physically and mentally). Which is why I found it kinda unrealistic that he came back married to a strong commando lady. He came across the whole time like he wanted a damsel to make himself feel big and manly.
CiaranBAC ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:41:09 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Riley for sure. But I thought Dawn was a pretty good character played by a decent actress.
The early Dawn-arc episodes where they try to work out who Dawn is and why she's living with the Summers were great.
iwishiwasamoose ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:05:10 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
But she was just so whiny. All she did was complain. Oh and steal. The concept of Dawn was interesting, if a little confusing. The actual character was just annoying.
BartyBreakerDragon ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:11:14 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
In fairness to her; She's told she technically doesn't exist, and then has to deal with her mother dying, and then her sister dying. In terms of teenage angst, that's pretty damn big. And then her sister coming back not quite right.
She's annoying, but she has really good reason to be, because she goes through a looot.
Jiffpants ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:53:17 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
FUCKING DAWN. So painful.
Trumman ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:37:14 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Dawn almost ruined the later seasons of Buffy for me, I'd take Riley over her anytime. Tara was also fairly annoying.
re1jo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:42:54 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I liked Dawn and Riley too, but oh boy Connor, almost gave up watching the series due his story arc.
b_c_18 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:51:48 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Came here for this.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:35:37 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Riley can fuck off. I actually quite liked Dawn though
Voxel_Brony ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:42:55 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Riley was literally only tolerable for me because the actor was hot
abluhabloo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:43:11 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Oh, man, by the end of Connor's arc, I was throwing things at the screen whenever he came on. Cordelia was my favorite character, too, it was so painful to watch her interactions with him (even if they weren't truly hers). But then the s4 finale happened, and I actually felt really bad for him.
Still wish he'd never been on the show, though. Poor Cordelia.
DoktorSteven ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:00:53 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's crazy when you realize Cordelia was only really in the first 3 seasons.
abluhabloo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:58:27 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It really is. And so sad. I would watch so many more seasons of her.
lollylon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:50:26 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Meh, Riley was okay. He was probably the guy Buffy needed but never really wanted. Dawn was executed kind of perfectly (character-wise, not murder-wise)--she was super annoying, but as the bratty little sister that seems about right.
Connor, though. UGH. Angel had two excellent seasons, and then they introduced this little shit and it all fell apart.
DoktorSteven ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:33:45 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Seasons 3 and 4 are sporadically great, but the show didn't get the magic back until season 5. I actually like Connor in that season.
SMORKIN_LABBIT ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:17:53 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That moment you realize Connor is Pete Campbell.
Novori12 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:36:59 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Riley was okay.
Dawn was awful, and for that short period where she believed she was a slayer, intolerable.
Connor could go suck a fuck.
RhinoTattoo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:27:04 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I found Riley really boring and annoying my first run-through watching the show in high school. I loved Spike.
I recently started rewatching the show now some 15-odd years later and Riley has grown on me, just because he's mostly reliable and there's not some constant angst with him. Just a nice boy from Iowa.
iwishiwasamoose ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:37:34 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Who is secretly a government agent tasked with killing monsters. And is jealous that his girlfriend is a better monster-killer than him. Oh and really, really likes letting junkie vampire chicks suck on him. But other than that, he's Buffy's only conquest with both a heart and a pulse, so he's got that going for him.
nderhjs ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:34:36 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Tara was the worst. A horribly written character with no real personality. She was bumbling around and as soon as she got a tiny tiny bit interesting, well, you know the rest.
Funnily enough, I like Anya the best. She matures more than anyone on the show (besides maybe Cordelia if you follow her development from Buffy to angel. Anya was bitchy and just fucking weird but when it counted, she made the most sense. You have to remember she wasn't human ever, so she started from nothing and essentially had to learn empathy, from scratch.
She also reminded people that being noble for nobility's sake is dangerous and it's OK to be selfish if the ends justify the means. She was never afraid to check anyone's ego, when she told Buffy "That doesn't make you better than us, it makes you luckier than us" I almost shat myself.
DoktorSteven ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:38:15 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I love Anya, and Emma Caulfield was always great. I agree with you on Tara. I just did a rewatch of seasons 5 and 6 and I don't understand the love for her. She's great in her few one on ones with Buffy, but her and Willow are Bore City.
iwishiwasamoose ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:22:26 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Anya was great. Definitely one of the best characters. I'm still mad at Xander on her behalf. And I hated her understated, pointless death. I don't care if a no-nonsense, non-dramatic death fit her character, or whatever the reasoning was.
I thought Tara was pretty boring as an individual, but I really liked how she made Willow grow. Though that came back to bite her when Willow surpassed her and started abusing her by magically messing with her mind. But before that, the Willow and Tara moments were just sort of sweet, like watching a little kid shyly hand a flower to someone they like.
nderhjs ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 12:25:55 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I like Tara at the end, and while willow and Tara are cute, I think the true love story is between Tara and Dawn. Not romance love, just plain old love for one another.
Dawn needed someone when Buffy was busy being super depressed. And Tara basically raised Dawn for a year.
klarno ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:20:06 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Dawn was fine. She was a normal teenage girl being raised in a really, really shitty situation that was only getting shittier. What someone else might term whiny to me seemed perfectly appropriate.
SenderMage ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:22:54 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I never realized how universally hated Dawn was until the first time I saw a Once More with Feeling screening/singalong (at Comic-Con a few years ago). Everyone booed when Dawn was on-screen, and I looked around thinking that I had forgotten some horrible thing she did, but no, she's just somewhat annoying.
Ichbs4ans ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:52:43 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Dawn was okay, come on! Not even in the same league as Connor!
bangslash ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:04:26 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I loved Dawn from her first episode. I think Michelle did a good job playing her and the character was interesting. I went to "Buffy Horror Picture Show" (think Rocky Horror meets OMWF) at DragonCon last year and it was funny how half the crowd booed and half cheered when Dawn appeared. She is divisive, but not quite universally hated.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:16:28 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I always hated Tara so much because I loved Oz so much, and Oz left because Tara was with Willow. And I loved Dawn because I was 14 when she came on the show and I had a massive crush on her.
iwishiwasamoose ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:30:16 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ehhh. Oz left because he banged a she-werewolf, kept it secret from his girlfriend (who would have understood that he can't control himself in wolf-form), locked himself in a cage with the she-wolf to guarantee they would bang again despite knowing his girlfriend would come check on him and discover them, then killed the she-wolf, then decided to go backpacking around Asia to by himself. Expecting Willow to still be waiting for him was just silly. She's a babe. The fact that she fell for another woman was unexpected, but it was ridiculously presumptuous of him to expect to just pick things up where they left off after he dumped her and ran away.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:53:43 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Was that all ever explained in the show, or just in the comics? I just remember him leaving so he could master his werewolf side, coming back with a mastery of his werewolf side, and getting turned down because his girlfriend was a lesbian. He's still probably my character.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:16:58 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Kennedy was seriously terrible.
islipped83 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:23:48 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Shut up, Dawn!
chadwickave ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:25:04 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ugh I absolutely hated Drusilla, Carla and Spike. Fuck Spike. Buffy + Angel 4eva
EdwardRoivas ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:31:53 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
How can you talk BTVS and not include Tara??? Joss / drew love them some week actors, see foggy and red haired chick from "true blood" who are on "daredevil" for more examples
Dudetius_maximus ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:26:38 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
God Connor was such a fuckface :/
And Dawn was so bloody annoying but cute at the same time. Riley was just.... urhghhhhhh
stufff ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:05:51 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I liked Dawn =(
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:55:38 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'd say Xander, now that we all know what he's really like behind the act. He's so unlikeable now when I watch old episodes.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:34:59 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't mind Dawn actually, with Riley I wanted to shoot myself though
Lessthanzerofucks ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:10:29 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What? Dawn? I thought she was alright, but Tara was the worst. I couldn't figure out if it was the character or the actor, but she bugged me
stainslemountaintops ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:53:14 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What? I thought Tara and Willow had great chemistry, I loved seeing them as a couple.
trekbette ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:57:36 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They were the healthiest couple in that universe... well, until they weren't.
applearoma ยท -23 points ยท Posted at 19:37:12 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
buffy isn't nerdy, its just shitty and dumb.
BlindEditor ยท 162 points ยท Posted at 19:40:20 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Minerva from inspector space time
[deleted] ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 02:08:40 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, Minerva, what a bitch.
chunkystyles ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 05:56:39 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This deserves more upvotes.
EDIT: I miss Troy.
bananapeel ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 04:05:15 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Blimey!
Spoon99 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 11:00:24 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
She could handle a quantum spanner though.
TaralasianThePraxic ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:21:52 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"Everyone hates her! Not because she's a woman, just because she sucks."
Keundrum ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 05:52:54 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
God I love this website.
[deleted] ยท 698 points ยท Posted at 19:32:45 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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BlackMantecore ยท 334 points ยท Posted at 21:55:51 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
that movie was just full of questionable stereotypes
corn_eater ยท 262 points ยท Posted at 22:25:09 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Love those "Space Japaneseโ federation guys
[deleted] ยท 104 points ยท Posted at 01:31:05 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Dude, those are "Space Chinese" that's why the trade deal thing is a thinly veiled reference to the WTO!
Tongan_Ninja ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 09:00:27 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Nope, they're Space Japanese doing a Space Pearl Harbor, and they end up getting Space Hiroshima-ed.
corn_eater ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 02:26:07 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ah shit, you're right. Does this mean I'm racist now? I don't want to shave my head! :(
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 03:20:11 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Head shaving reference not received, pls inform
corn_eater ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 03:36:01 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Having mixed up Japanese and Chinese I must now go into exile and live as a skinhead neo-nazi. :(
PleaseMisterFlair ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:50:48 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Are yeh Space Chinese or Space Japanese?
[deleted] ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 06:18:17 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Those Asian pirates in TFA? Those guys are actually Indonesian and both stars of The Raid action movie.
musicnothing ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 06:52:02 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think they're talking about the Nemoidians from the prequel trilogy
Gaping_Maw ยท -6 points ยท Posted at 06:14:08 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What wrong with you guys, theres nothing wrong with space chinese. I saw the force awakens in indonesia and the crowd clapped and cheered when the asian space pirates appeared, they loved it. Stop being over sensitive.
musicnothing ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 06:51:52 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think they're talking about the Nemoidians from the prequel trilogy
ENDragoon ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 09:07:54 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not to mention, the Asian pirates were all in The Raid together, and I'm pretty sure it was an Easter Egg.
thecaseace ยท 98 points ยท Posted at 23:05:47 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And space rasta Jar Jar
spacemoses ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 03:14:54 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And the space calamari, Mon Calamari
mountedpandahead ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 06:18:01 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I feel like "Rasta" is being generous, more like "picaninny" (the term just in the sense of a cliche)
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 05:10:10 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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mikemil50 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 05:32:11 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's not really a racial stereotype though.
sixfourch ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:27:24 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's just as canned.
SheeEttin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:52:03 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Only in the highly-regimented military. They didn't really do anything else.
And they were a pretty sloppy military, too.
BlackMantecore ยท 33 points ยท Posted at 23:55:16 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
plus mesa a racist stereotype-a
Fresno-bob5000 ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 02:06:59 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
I'm being downvoted somewhere else for saying this.
I mean "meesa your humble servant" wtf is that
BlackMantecore ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 02:21:37 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Seriously!
Gaping_Maw ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 06:12:17 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
hes an alien so not really racist.
BlackMantecore ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 06:31:06 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
An alien that was created by real people, who brought real ideas and real world stereotypes to its creation.
Gaping_Maw ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 07:04:55 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So who is offended by Jar Jar? I honestly don't know how he's racist.
BlackMantecore ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 09:13:40 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
this is an interesting article on the matter here and there are plenty others too. Though really there are myriad reasons to hate Jar Jar. Take your pick.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 07:48:35 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You don't have to be offended to point out stereotypes and racism.
InternetJanitor35 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 09:05:55 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
But where's the racism?
ThatAwesomePenguin ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 03:03:39 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Sealu da blastu doors! Donnotto let the Jedi escape!
Or something along those lines. I almost died laughing the first time I realised it.
corn_eater ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:37:21 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, that was the best. I remember Rifftrax capitalized on that moment but don't remember exactly what they said.
DiaDeLosMuertos ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 04:16:35 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Somebody overruled alien voice on them and made them less cowardly through their subtitles.
Zabunia ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 11:52:52 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Phantom Menace - The Anti-cheese edit. He has actually edited the other two prequels as well.
smilbandit ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 02:28:23 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
the anti-cheese edit is worth it just for them removing those shit accents.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:20:35 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They talk like the announcer from total war: shogun
LtLabcoat ยท 81 points ยท Posted at 00:54:23 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
George Lucas should've just stuck with what he knew: making all the good guys American and all the bad guys British.
[deleted] ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 06:46:59 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Obi Wan kept his Brittish accent in the original 3.
Reytho ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 07:27:07 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
English accent = wise knight or total evil.
lurks-a-lot ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 15:26:27 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
English accents are inner system accents. American accents are found in the outer system planets. If you're from Courascant you'll have a British accent if you're from Tatooine you'll have an American accent.
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 15:38:42 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Wait is that actually canon because I wouldn't be surprised.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:06:28 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:19:26 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That would be interesting if they had in-universe explanations for different accents and ethnicities and stuff. Until the inevitable backlash comes when they accidentally make black people be from a different planet.
lurks-a-lot ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:47:50 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
With the new movies being out everything star wars we enjoyed before them is up in the air as far as cannon is concerned.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:56:52 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Interesting note: when someone in star wars is speaking with an English accent, in universe they have a Coruscant accent.
Hardin_of_Akaneia ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:56:43 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Then we have The Force Awakens, where everyone is British.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:53:04 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not everyone have British accent thoo. John Boyega was asked to do American accent.
spacemoses ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:15:21 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ah, but so is Star Trek.
CxOrillion ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:21:01 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Was it? I seriously don't see any. I mean sure I get space nazis from Empire stuff, particularly in TFA but racial and ethnic? I honestly don't get it.
Viking_Drummer ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 03:41:39 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
'Mind tricks don't work on me... ONLY MONEEEYYYY'
joekamelhome ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 22:15:57 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The Ferengi?
FliedenRailway ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:53:58 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The Bajorans.
lord_james ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 06:59:39 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
... I actually like Watto.
Spacejew32 ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 01:03:30 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Space Jew, wow what a dumb name. Way to stick it to him....micromunchie is a dumb name.
brickmack ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 23:58:39 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Whats wrong with Watto?
[deleted] ยท 23 points ยท Posted at 01:44:48 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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SuperSaiyanKaiju ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 01:48:42 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
ONLY MONEY!
ProfessorMetallica ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:37:11 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ee's a Toydarian
UPVOTE_ATM ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:05:22 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I always thought Persian. But Jewish fits too.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 04:34:11 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Um... Kyle?
[deleted] ยท 3941 points ยท Posted at 16:44:09 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Young Anakin "Yippeee" Skywalker
AdrianIsBeast ยท 895 points ยท Posted at 18:05:50 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Now THIS is podracing!
ToInfinity_MinusOne ยท 581 points ยท Posted at 18:12:06 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
IT'S WORKING!!! IT'S WORKIIIIIING!!!!!!
[deleted] ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 21:29:03 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Are you an angel?
Imperium_Dragon ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 20:00:35 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
POWER! UNLIMITED POWER
ChallengerC4 ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 22:32:59 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Y'all need this.
http://youtu.be/g_H3_g9PhnM
-ArthurDent- ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 00:58:47 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm a pilot ya know.
stratdog25 ยท 33 points ยท Posted at 19:22:36 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Wizard!!!
[deleted] ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 01:17:00 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Let's try spinning, that's a good trick.
TheVarmari ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 03:00:56 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Are you an angel?
bofadeeez ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 19:43:08 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm bringin' it back!
Draksnapas ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 00:28:02 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Why does nobody say wizard anymore?
FuncRandm ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:31:19 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
For the same reason people don't say "spiffing" or "balderdash"...
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:34:51 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That is utter hogwash sir. Stop being so flippant and take this matter seriously.
FuncRandm ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:25:40 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hog-Wash. hogwash... Now, that's a word I've not heard in a long time. A long time.
StormRider2407 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 20:06:53 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Wizard!
Can't you just say wow you little shit?
FuncRandm ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:36:58 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Cor, stone the crows
Mary PoppinsAni, would you Adam & Eve it. I'm sure you'll be able tostep in timedo it this time...panteranegraftw ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 00:23:32 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
fucking triggered
IrishLaaaaaaaaad ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 01:58:57 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
CAN I GO MOM CAN I
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:53:52 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Spinning is a good trick!
euratowel ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:08:41 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This line is why I will never play Star Wars: Pod Racing for the N64 ever again.
Hands ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:56:33 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I always associate that line with E.T. not The Phantom Menace for whatever reason
jonosaurus ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:22:15 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
i mean, E.T. was the more memorable and overall better movie
Heroshade ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:28:04 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
-Me when I finally find a way to finish in the bedroom
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:32:50 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You're holding R way too long.
firedude766 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:40:35 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"You didn't mention it wouldn't work BEFORE I bet my ship on you?"
Diminished_Seventh ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:06:33 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
cue swell of uplifting music
Shoulda rolled credits right there.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:21:48 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I should try spinning, that's a neat trick
Osujin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:35:30 on January 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If only: http://i.imgur.com/AbfS7Z9.gif
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:42:54 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That part made no sense, was I supposed to be worried it might night work before that line?
TheAppleFreak ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 22:59:21 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'LL TRY SPINNING THATS A GOOD TRICK
E-B-Gb-Ab-Bb ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 23:58:14 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The actor was arrested after being pursued by cops. I'd like to think he said that during the pursuit.
Jaketh ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 22:44:48 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Pod Racing is awesome though, if Ep1 were just about Pod Racing, even Anakin in a Pod Racing career, it would have been amazing.
AdrianIsBeast ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 22:46:20 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I loved the Pod Racing video game. However I did not love the Episode 1 dialogue.
slayergnomes ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:16:05 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I watched this movie today until this exact moment and I had to walk away. I chose to wash dishes instead.
wolfpack_charlie ยท 2675 points ยท Posted at 17:25:21 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Wha about teenage Anakin "I don't like sand" Skywalker?
ceedubs2 ยท 951 points ยท Posted at 18:25:17 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You're so beautiful because I'm so in love.
infinitely vomiting
_paul_132 ยท 158 points ยท Posted at 20:54:39 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"The jedi can't save you Padame, Only my new powers can"
aZombieSlayer ยท 76 points ยท Posted at 00:55:40 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"Powers that I don't have yet, but Palpy said we might find the secret if we work together. So...cool?"
clutchorkick ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 07:04:30 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
OBLIGATORY.
Xalthanal ยท 25 points ยท Posted at 05:05:18 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Force choke and chill?
_selfishPersonReborn ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 05:20:13 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I just watched that film today.
jonosaurus ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 06:46:42 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm so sorry
Mage_of_Shadows ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 10:16:41 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Watched it two days ago for the first time,I really wanted to kill Anakin in ROTS
yognautilus ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 02:05:45 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
angrily "So love has blinded you?"
What the FUCK FUCK YOU PREQUELS
ExpectedChaos ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 04:04:14 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"I love you like I'm blind!" "What, you're blind?"
PixelBrewery ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 21:05:28 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No, no, it's because I'm SO in love with YOU.
gandalfv31415 ยท 54 points ยท Posted at 19:05:37 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
it's been awhile since i've seen the prequels, god the writing was truly horrific
Crippling_Velocity ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 01:21:42 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
ive been watching clonewars clips on youtube and stumbled on the dooku vs anakin/obi/ wan/yoda fight in ep 2. "it is obvious that this contest cannot be decided by our knowledge of the force...but by our skills with the lightsaber". poor christopher lee ;_;
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 05:50:08 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
How is that bad?
Crippling_Velocity ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 06:17:25 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
it just seemed unnecessary given that they spent like a full minute showing that yoda could deflect rocks and force lightning. the dialogue being as bad as it was in general, they should have just went with "show, dont tell"
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:01:56 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well, for one, it makes it look like Yoda was actually putting us all one with his walking stick and slow gait. He takes off his robe and all of the sudden his back is straight and starts fighting in sort of silly flying dwarf technique.
Secondly, no matter how skilled Dooku was, is it really plausible that he was more than twice as powerful as two other Jedi?
Longtable ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:41:11 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Dooku was known for his skill with the lightsaber. He performed his best while fighting one or two opponents
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 10:09:58 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Right, you know that from either EU or some other now-non-Cannon source.
But the viewers don't know that. All they know is Yoda is old - like from the original three movies we think he's like 900 years old or something.
Then they know that Dooku is also really old. Like, for a human, in his 60's or 70's.
It makes little sense unless you are deep into the story. Even then the character development makes no sense.
Yoda especially makes no sense. In the original three movies we see Jedi that are susceptible to the strains of time - Obi Wan is old and tired and Vader easily would have defeated him, if not for the distraction he provided. Yoda is also old and broken, and tired and creaky. The emperor while strong with the force is also old and bent. When Vader turns on him, he is completely helpless and is simply tossed over the edge into the void.
Yet now we go back to the prequels, and they re-imagine the Force as some elixir of youth, where it fixes your creaky back and all that, and when "activated" makes a 60+ year old human more agile and better endurance than two peak fighting age Jedi. Likewise Yoda becomes some sort of cannonball of energy without a care in the world.
I know in the big scheme of things not that big a problem but the distance they went to (a) cast Christopher Lee and (b) to make Yoda have a fight scene is pretty epic and weird.
BaneWraith ยท 26 points ยท Posted at 20:54:04 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
George Lucas said star wars is a space opera. A soap opera in space that focuses around one family and their drama.
Thats why people hate the prequels. Its supposed to be sci fi action but the dumbfucl was trying to make it a soap opera. Thats why we have great movies but with shitty lines
Schadenfreudenous ยท 58 points ยท Posted at 22:14:54 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's not what a Space Opera is.
[deleted] ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 22:36:19 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
But it's what Lucas thinks it is.
Obviously, this is a real space opera.
Loki_The_Trickster ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 03:05:28 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The Fifth Element on VHS?! Jesus Christ, how horrifying...
BaneWraith ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 23:41:39 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well i recently watched an interview with george lucas and apparently he thinks its what i said it is.
Dear_Occupant ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:45:17 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That wiki page was a surprisingly good read. Reminds me of a TVTropes link, it makes you want to click on everything and keep reading.
karmapuhlease ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 21:54:32 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It would have been fine as a space opera, as long as the dialogue was a hell of a lot better. I'm okay with following the Skywalker family and letting them be the center of the universe, as long as it's well-written and they're involved in interesting plots (bringing balance to the Force, taking over the galaxy, overthrowing dictators, etc...).
lanceTHEkotara ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:52:58 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It was supposed to be a Space Opera before the original trilogy even came out but it was shut down. It's not like he changed his mind after the OT.
Whatshoulditypehere5 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 20:49:28 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I thought the dialogue would have been better in episode 3, but nope. Just as terrible as the other movies.
Heroshade ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 23:25:42 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
In my own little world, I just pretend the prequels don't exist and watch Clone Wars.
LittleTinGod ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 02:34:28 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
isn't it funny how the little cartoon series is infinitely better written and more fun to watch than the billion dollar movies....
Rock-n-Roll-Noly ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:34:20 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Which seasons? I'm in 3 and I find it too kid oriented (for obvious reasons).
BeefSupreme2 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:50:50 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That narrator turned me away. The breathless, OMG mixed with news @11 tone was sooo irritating.
Mitchie-San ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:22:32 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"Hold me like you did by the lake on Naboo" UGH.
BlackMantecore ยท 25 points ยท Posted at 21:49:22 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
worst romance ever and also totally inappropriate for who the characters are supposed to be. it's so wrong for them to just retreat to this romance planet and roll around in the grass.
Whatshoulditypehere5 ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 20:48:36 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So love has blinded you?
Nuovano ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 00:12:18 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's not what I meant!
aZombieSlayer ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 00:56:02 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
But its probably true!
JhonnyWongStockings ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:16:58 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I just threw up in my mouth.
Reytho ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:13:45 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Still a better love story than... Actually, no.
Imperium_Dragon ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 19:59:39 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm in agony!
Rustic_Loafcat ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:03:20 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Reminds me of this song. NSFW
tricky_tree ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:36:48 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I love myself in love.
[deleted] ยท -9 points ยท Posted at 23:46:20 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
i think the prequals are beeter movies then the originals and 7.
ceedubs2 ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 00:42:11 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Everyone's entitled to their opinion.
But you're wrong.
aZombieSlayer ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 00:56:29 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
WELL THEN YOU ARE LOST!!
desertravenwy ยท 2724 points ยท Posted at 17:49:10 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I definitely prefer the Yippee Anakin to Rape-Stare Anakin
rolltide_130 ยท 1593 points ยท Posted at 18:14:49 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm sorry m'lady
tips robe hood thing
I_no_afraid_of_stuff ยท 524 points ยท Posted at 18:28:28 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
thehamslammer ยท 687 points ยท Posted at 19:04:46 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
*from my point of view
[deleted] ยท 116 points ยท Posted at 19:17:32 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
tilts head forward to look more evil
NinjaFistOfPain ยท 37 points ยท Posted at 20:02:43 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's over, Anakin!
[deleted] ยท 85 points ยท Posted at 20:03:48 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I have the high ground, which gives me +2 to-hit
NinjaFistOfPain ยท 50 points ยท Posted at 20:05:00 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You underestimate my power.
I roll a d20 for jump attack on Obi-Wan.
[deleted] ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 20:19:20 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
DM: "...are you sure?"
NinjaFistOfPain ยท 22 points ยท Posted at 20:29:58 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I've got this.
shitastrophe ยท 24 points ยท Posted at 21:20:33 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
1
NinjaFistOfPain ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 21:21:56 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I HATE YOU
[deleted] ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 23:03:50 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
YOU WERE MY BROTHER ANAKIN
VikingTheEpic ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 00:47:23 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
YOU WERE THE CHOOSEN ONE
indyK1ng ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 01:08:50 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
YOU WERE SUPPOSED TO DESTROY THE SITH, NOT JOIN THEM
klatnyelox ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 02:04:45 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
BRING BALANCE TO THE FORCE, NOT LEAVE IT IN DARKNESS!
SweetNeo85 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 02:46:39 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Everyone who says they hate the prequels is a goddamn liar.
jesusisaslut ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:18:16 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I love them they're just not as good as the originals. Also it's easy to make fun of Haden Christiansen.
klatnyelox ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:03:01 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He is easy.
jesusisaslut ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:08:31 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Something something sand
jonosaurus ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:46:13 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That can't be right
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:17:32 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yes there were a couple memorable scenes, this was one of them. But even this scene has fucking horrendous lines like "DEMOCRACY!!" and "from my point of view...". Shortly followed by "NOOOOO". I mean that's a triple whammy of shit right there.
SweetNeo85 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:41:17 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Question: how many times have you seen it?
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:51:13 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Y'all need to read Darths and Droids
Archipithecus ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:03:10 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I do! Annie totally rolled a 2 there instead of a 1.
kjohnny789 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 01:22:03 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You roll a critical failure and lose your legs
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:20:39 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Next turn, you'll be set on fire but will somehow survive.
OmniscientPasta ยท 38 points ยท Posted at 20:06:35 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
FROM MY POINT OF VIEW YOU HAVE THE LAVA GROUND
Heroshade ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 23:23:50 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
To be fair, if nothing else, that actors body language was really well acted
SeldonsPlan ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 21:13:04 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So why is this line referenced so much when starting up the hate train for the prequel? I agree, it's a stupid line and was lazily written, but why does it have such a following?
thehamslammer ยท 31 points ยท Posted at 00:07:11 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's just a prime example of the prequel's tendency to have the characters tell the audience what is happening/what the characters are feeling rather than showing the audience through actions. It always gets brought up because it's a laughably bad line from a storytelling point of view.
flexyourhead_ ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 00:43:40 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
There are so many better ways to get his point across.
"Wrong, Obi Wan. It is the Jedi who are evil."
aZombieSlayer ยท 37 points ยท Posted at 00:51:48 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And then think about it, Anakin thinks the Jedi are evil because why? Because Palpy tells him so? He just seemed to roll over so easily.
Ani: "I hate the Sith, they killed so many of my Jedi friends."
Windu: "Palpatine is a Sith, I have to destroy him."
Ani: "No, he may or may not have a power that allows people to cheat death"
Palpy: "Hey thanks for killing Windu, you're gonna make a hell of a Sith!"
Ani: "Cool, I'll just start by killing children"
FizzleMateriel ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 04:44:14 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's exactly that, it's the fact that he gets over murdering Windu so easily and just basically accepts everything that Palpatine says after. Even when Palpatine tells him that he lied and that he doesn't really know how to stop people from dying. Palpatine actually says that if Anakin joins him as Sith they can discover the power together, and Anakin just goes along with it.
He expresses remorse immediately after killing Windu but then Palpatine puts his evil hood on and Anakin just does everything he's told to do without any suspicion or doubt. It was asinine.
Edit: And yeah, he killed Jedi children just because Palpatine told him to. I know that's meant to show he's gone to the Dark Side but it makes him look like a sociopath the way he just went from zero to Sith Lord in the span of about 30 seconds.
_selfishPersonReborn ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:25:52 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And also, he was the most powerful force user ever, and he couldn't hold back Obi-wan? He fucking killed him after being tossed in lava, having most of his body burn up and being slashed by a light saber, but he couldn't do it before?
FizzleMateriel ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:29:00 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Obi-Wan definitely got out of that duel way too easily.
Of course we know from the OT that he won it but considering he had his ass handed to him by Dooku twice in a row, he should have come out of the duel with Anakin a bit worse for wear.
FizzleMateriel ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 04:37:44 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Because it's so obviously the screenwriter trying to hurry the plot along for the ending rather than have developed characters with good dialogue.
It's also a good example of characters flat-out saying how they feel rather than letting the acting do the job.
This sort of thing was referenced in Futurama when the Robot Devil says, "You can't just have your characters announce how they feel! That makes me feel angry!"
There are many other things that Anakin could have said that would have fit much better.
He could have turned it around on Obi-Wan and told Obi-Wan that the Jedi are traitors to the Republic and against democracy for trying to arrest Palpatine. Mace Windu even attempted to murder Palpatine without a trial.
He could have said that the Jedi are weak, bureaucratic, unempathetic and dogmatic, and that Palpatine and the Sith understand the true nature and potential of the Force.
He could have said that the Jedi are hypocrites and morally bankrupt, that they preach certain values but don't practice them.
Maybe he could have even brought up his own treatment by the Jedi Order, in the first movie they were suspicious and distrustful of him because they could sense that he was extremely Force sensitive and he had great fear.
Anything would have been better than what he said in the movie.
UnityChessGuy ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:28:28 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Mr. Plinkett
Arrowtica ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 02:45:11 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 01:55:00 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
God damn there was some bad writing in those movies
Shit makes it sound like he's writing a middle school essay
Thelastseeder ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 01:18:34 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I HATE YOUUU!
dtlv5813 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:47:14 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
A new fantastic point of view
Jogsta ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 05:41:00 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
... >:| ...
Jon_Snow_1887 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 08:21:35 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Imho, the Jedi are evil
[deleted] ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 19:29:16 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
*from a certain point of view
MrLinderman ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:49:35 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Nope.
qworled ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 05:49:59 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
**from a certain point of view
Whatshoulditypehere5 ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 20:47:44 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Man I saw episode 3 last night and when that line showed up I was shocked. Who would say that in the middle of a light saber fight?
rolltide_130 ยท 23 points ยท Posted at 22:25:38 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The type of person who thinks sand is coarse and rough and gets everywhere.
captainzoomer ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 00:18:24 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He says that line as if in that very moment, there was literally sand in his vagina.
Imperium_Dragon ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 19:59:24 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Also, Anakin are you that full of sand?
[deleted] ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 21:58:17 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
said after murdering a bunch of kids
[deleted] ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 00:40:41 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Whoa. We don't throw words like "kids" around.
They're younglings.
bob1689321 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:19:54 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Then you truly are lost!
MoaXing ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 12:00:51 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah well that's just, like, your opinion man
TheFuzzyPickler ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:53:01 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
t_Lancer ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:55:29 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:13:44 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
you made me laugh out loud :)
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:28:07 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Then you are lost
SnoopyLupus ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:19:15 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I was fully expecting him to say "no backsies" after that line.
ReservoirGods ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 20:08:29 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If it please m'lady
tips rat tail
2RINITY ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 19:03:22 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Jedi M'aster
AlmightyRuler ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:32:35 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"Can I get a different Jedi? This one is giving me 'I want you' eyes!"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0cxjlN9e9-c
Damn_Dog_Inappropes ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:29:28 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The word you're looking for is cowl.
Myrandall ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:47:19 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Cowl?
imapiratedammit ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:52:40 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
M'aster
Exodus2791 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:16:22 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
heh, it's almost like they only needed to add a neck beard and then... wait... oh no... no, Lucas isn't that much of a genius is he? Guys?
MoronLessOff ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 18:55:34 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Here ya go.
domromer ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 00:39:36 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Creepy sex looks
Crayzhawaiian ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 20:26:13 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
But I'm the chosen one
desertravenwy ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 20:29:03 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It really feels like nobody ever told him that until it was too late.
If he really was the chosen one why was he treated just like any other random padawan. Look at how people in real life treat their chosen ones...
Crayzhawaiian ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:23:47 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Remember the scene when he's screaming at obi wan like a little bitch when he said that. I think it was right before obi wan chopped off his limbs
desertravenwy ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 21:45:15 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's why I said the "until it was too late."
Most of the time it's Qui-gon, Obi-wan, Mace Windu, and Yoda just casually mentioning it without him around. Like oh yeah, you know that kid that was spontaneously created by the force and is supposed to save the galaxy? How's 8th grade going for him?
purplesquared ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:29:52 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You made me burst out in laughter as I knew exactly which Anakins you meant and the images flashed before my eyes back-to-back. Amazing
desertravenwy ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:31:50 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"I'm sorry m'lady..."
Ugh... Cringe.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:27:12 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Anakin "I will watch you from these cameras, yes" Skywalker
prettyflamazing ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:10:27 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"Beep is up and boop is down right?"
metalhead1999 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:34:00 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
lol he was awkward and creepy as fuck in that scene.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:00:29 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Rape stare Hitler "I killed the women and children too" Anakin Skywalker
Idoontkno ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:22:46 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ahh another pointlessly contested thing to argue over!
Anonnymush ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 23:41:30 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You really prefer an innocent child to portray your eventually genocidal major villain character? He's supposed to have a significant evil component. That's the whole point.
desertravenwy ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 23:46:51 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
There's evil... and then there's "I'm going to get in those guts no matter how many times she says no."
I'm fine with Darth Vader being an evil murderer. I'm not fine with him being a creepy stalker who can't take a hint.
...Although the lesson here is that indeed, if you are persistent enough, even Natalie Portman will eventually give in and have sex with you.
Anonnymush ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 23:52:38 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Me and my specially equipped rape-vanagon can only hope.
Funkays ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 00:10:49 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Literally fiends Padme and pursues her even when she says to stop and that she doesn't want to.
Luckily she eventually cracks and has feelings for him so its all good guys.
unhampered_by_pants ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 02:39:00 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He did just sort of wear her down until she gave up and rolled with it, didn't he?
Deltahotel_ ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 21:28:56 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He was such a fucking creep. I'd prefer Phantom Menace Anakin any day.
xavyre ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:16:28 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Totally agree. I didn't like the little kid much but the older one was just nails on chalkboard annoying. He just whined and whined.
tusocalypse ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:30:11 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hayden Christiansen was top 3 worst part of that trilogy and he was only in 2 of em
APsWhoopinRoom ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:55:05 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Whoever wrote those lines needs to be barred from ever writing in movies again
Heroshade ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 23:27:09 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well you're in luck, because George Lucas will never write anything star wars related again.
APsWhoopinRoom ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:31:49 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Oh god he actually wrote those movies too?
Heroshade ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 03:04:12 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Every fucking line.
APsWhoopinRoom ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:12:43 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Damn he needs to be tried for war crimes. There has to be something in the Geneva convention that outlaws what he did
kwertyuiop ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:28:19 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
How about old Anakin "I do not fear the dark side as yรผรผ dรผรผ" "stress on none of the syllables" Skywalker?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:17:59 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
At least episode 1 Anakin was happy, and decently respectful.
papermarioguy02 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:16:32 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
THEY WERE LIKE ANIMALS! AND I SLAUGHTERED THEN LIKE ANIMALS!
likeabosstroll ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:27:31 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
3rd movie Anakin wasn't bad I feel he actually embodied being a sith. 2nd and 1st movies where shitty.
EPOSZ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:55:16 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He isn't a teenager in 2, he's early 20's.
aZombieSlayer ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:59:51 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You're right, in episode 2, he is 20 years old. In episode 1, he is 9 years old and AotC takes place 10 years later. The idea is that he turns 10 very soon after episode 1.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 22:06:24 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Watching this movie at the moment.
Super_Link ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 22:15:09 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No. Jake Lloyd was fucking horrible. Hayden wasn't as bad as that imo.
Lucy_Fury ยท 1448 points ยท Posted at 18:41:17 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I was so angry at the number or children in that movie.
And baby Fett. "Get Em, Dad!" Fuck off.
Fear_the_Jellyfish ยท 902 points ยท Posted at 19:04:44 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
When they're chasing Obi-Wan and he laughs. "He he he he he he he" Fakest, most unintimidating laugh in the history of cinema.
mishibaby007 ยท 1511 points ยท Posted at 20:33:56 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I hated that kid so much that I laughed when he was holding his dead dad's head
[deleted] ยท 928 points ยท Posted at 21:24:24 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
/r/nocontext
Hellstrike ยท 35 points ยท Posted at 00:34:23 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Could belong to /r/crusaderkings too
spartankelli ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 08:23:10 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
To be fair 90% of CK2 posts could end up in nocontext
Raznakz ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 11:10:58 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They are banned from r/nocontext because it counts as cheating.
Hellstrike ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 14:41:36 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
We voluntarily exclude ourselves from /r/nocontext because it wouldn't be fair otherwise
DarkVadek ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:23:55 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
/r/ShitCrusaderKingsSay is out personal substitute
Not_An_Ambulance ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 13:02:17 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Mod from r/nocontext here... No subs are banned. Though, I do sometimes report the target posts when I know they violate the rules of the other sub.
HenkWaterlander ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:33:13 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This changes everything.
fireork12 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 22:35:49 on January 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Thatsthejoke.jpg
KittyMuncher88 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 02:13:57 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Perfect.
LDM123 ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 01:03:00 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
For once it works.
smith-smythesmith ยท 31 points ยท Posted at 21:35:10 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Just the helmet, actually. You can just see the shadow of the head bouncing away out of frame when he loses his head.
jonosaurus ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 06:50:01 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
well that's... better i guess, than holding his disembodied head
atari26k ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 22:45:16 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Me to, I like to imagine the horror on his face if his dad's severed head fell out when he picked up the helmet.
FuncRandm ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 00:41:15 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It was ok, there were a load of clones of his Dad he could work out his abandonment issues with...
There was also a ton of Paranoia style Fetts that could have been used to make Boba Fett pretty much unkillable...
"...but I don't understand, I just disintegrated you!" said the target. "nobody kills the Fett," retorted Fett-42587.
YARNXD ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 15:48:21 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The actor who played him grew up to be a real twerp too. He was at a little con I went to, he got sloppy drunk, and hit on underage girls
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:36:55 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That scene made me way happier than it should have
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:32:18 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That scene would have been so powerful if they hadn't made the Boba kid-Anakin's evil doppelganger.
foxdye22 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:27:43 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I definitely still bust out laughing every time I see that scene.
TheHornyToothbrush ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:54:25 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Dude...
Lucy_Fury ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 19:31:26 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ughhhhh ruined the whole illusion for me.
TastyDonutHD ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:24:42 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
some say you can still hear boba's laugh throughout the galaxy
[deleted] ยท -7 points ยท Posted at 21:38:27 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The Emperor's laugh near the end of RotJ is pretty bad, too.
[deleted] ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 19:37:09 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
'Fiiiiaaaaaa!!!'
Anklever ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:23:07 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Oh God I cringe when I hear that.
[deleted] ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 00:30:58 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Get em Did*
kiwirish ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:31:23 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well after he chose a Kiwi Temuera Morrison to play Jango, he kind of needed an equally Kiwi kid to play Boba.
arclathe ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 22:06:12 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It was basically the Muppet Babies of Star Wars.
Lucy_Fury ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:38:36 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ha ha ha, my god, that's exactly it!!
[deleted] ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 00:33:22 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Apparently the actor who played Boba hadn't even seen Star Wars until after he got casted. George Lucas LITERALLY found the only 10 yeard old boy IN THE GALAXY who hadn't seen a Star Wars movie and got him to be a big character in his next Star Wars movie. God dammit, it's like he was trying to make it terrible!
Lucy_Fury ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:42:43 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ugh! Why?? Also I just realized my comment makes it look like I think his name is baby, not Boba...
Imperium_Dragon ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 20:00:17 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Then his head fell off. The funniest (or cruelest) thing was that his head fell out of the helmet.
Lucy_Fury ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:40:45 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Aw man, they cut that part out of the version I saw.
I was waiting for it though
10se1ucgo ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 01:57:18 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
omg I thought I was the only one who thought young Boba Fett was annoying as fuck.
Lucy_Fury ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 04:26:29 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I kept thinking "WHO DID YOUR PARENTS BRIBE/BLACKMAIL??"
pidgerii ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:52:30 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You said it wrong, it's "git hum Did!"
Lucy_Fury ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:25:03 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ughhhhhh r/punchablefaces all the way
Jackandahalfass ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 20:28:37 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He even had baby Greedo as a pal!
brikad ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 22:11:09 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Racist.
Lucy_Fury ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:39:34 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
shudder
Seriously, was it supposed to be a children's movie?
aZombieSlayer ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:47:34 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
*Rodian
Ugh..I'll show myself out
Jackandahalfass ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 01:41:44 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's the thing; in the script and a deleted scene, it is clear that it really is supposed to be Greedo.
MrNostalgic ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 04:28:22 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Nope. In a deleted scene Ani fights with Greedo, the Qui-Gon the kid that says "so wizard" and the alien kid that looks like Greedo show up.
EDIT: For the guys that downvoted me, here's the proof https://youtu.be/8cFOJX4ch_U
aZombieSlayer ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:00:21 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"Daaad, Taun We's hea..."
MadBotanist ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:15:44 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If they had a decent part for Anakin then I could see leaving Boba alone for the "hate this one" factor.
Lucy_Fury ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:32:02 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Nope. They were both dicks.
radredrum ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:27:14 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I hated that kid even when I first watched the movie as a pre-teen.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 08:13:41 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The scene with the dumb fucking padawans and their dumb fucking helmets and their dumb fucking lightsabers pissed me off immensely for some reason.
I'm glad they all DIED.
Lucy_Fury ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:29:43 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm like YEAH GIVE A FLOCK OF TODDLERS DEADLY WEAPONS AND BLINDFOLDS GREAT JOB
3-cheese ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:53:29 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
God that was like some terrible fanfic
Saint_Basil ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:47:40 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"FIYAH!"
scrappyisachamp ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:18:32 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
ftfy
[deleted] ยท 162 points ยท Posted at 19:31:37 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
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Ess_Dub ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 21:47:35 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
that was incredible
[deleted] ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 21:59:45 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
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arnielsAdumbration ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 21:11:52 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Holy Baader-Meinhof I stumbled across that last night!
Paddy_Tanninger ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:15:29 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ever since I found out about it, I keep hearing about this Baader Meinhof thing everywhere I go!
freeyourthoughts ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 23:40:51 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Thats honestly kinda disturbing.
redarxx ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 08:20:36 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This fucking made my night
spikewolf123 ยท 31 points ยท Posted at 18:33:46 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yousa must mean little Ani!
Sentinel_P ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 18:59:40 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They should have went for a disgruntled and jaded Anakin. Not this whiny emo little shit. Like granting him a seat on the council without the title of Master. Doing stuff like that would have been a great way to make him feel alienated, while Palpatine was giving him praise and acceptance while offering instant gratification.
MoonshineExpress ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 19:02:20 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Sometimes I feel sorry for Jake Lloyd for the hate he gets for that role.
[deleted] ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 19:18:01 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Sometimes.
pjman32 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:12:18 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He was kind of a shitty choice, which isn't entirely his fault. He just wasnt a very good actor.
bcjs194 ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 20:41:39 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'll try spinning - that's a good trick!
Thedmatch ยท 38 points ยท Posted at 18:30:35 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's like poetry
chrichap ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 18:35:20 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
.... Fuck you Rick Berman....
iglidante ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 20:39:24 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Who's been fuckin' with my medicine?
Whatshoulditypehere5 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 20:50:44 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Wait....that ain't Rick Berman...What's with all the Ricks?
Misaria ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:31:32 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The Star Trek reviews are so good. :D
JustDandy07 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:31:53 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It rhymes.
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 20:34:21 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"I'm not a slave, I'm a person and my name is Anakin!"
FuncRandm ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:47:39 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
...well technically I am a slave, but I'm also a person. Wait, I'm not a person? Am I actually called Anakin?
BlackMantecore ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 21:48:21 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
you know what's weird if you watch the behind the scenes they had a much better kid read for the part and then inexplicably didn't take him
kratos61 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:08:50 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The other kid really wasn't better at all.
BlackMantecore ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:54:19 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I thought the kid with the spiky blond hair was a hundred times better.
denizenKRIM ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:40:30 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If you mean the blond kid who was one insult away from shooting up his school, I disagree.
George was looking for someone who had tons of heart and promise for the world. Jake was perfect for that. It makes the downward spiral all the more poignant considering we're supposed to be losing one of the great ones.
BlackMantecore ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 09:15:01 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't think Jake had that in most people's eyes, though.
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 21:21:08 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He's infinitely preferable to the Anakin from the next movie.
YUNoDie ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 19:32:32 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Something I thought up recently: what if Basic/English isn't Anakin's first language? We know he speaks Huttese, what if he says things that are weird to us but completely normal to him in his first language?
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 22:20:57 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Teenage emo anakin "no one understands me" skywalker too
BWGOAT ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:43:37 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's soooo wizard Ani!
Gamerguywon ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:01:49 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Am I the only one who didn't mind Jar Jar but couldn't stand baby vader?
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 02:15:44 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I actually like the prequels as a whole, not really much i found to be wrong except for being overshadowed by the originals. That and some cringey parts. Side note: did not like the new one any better than a prequel
adamthecynic ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:23:18 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"I'll try spinning that's a good trick"
JamesFarra ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:12:01 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well... Not exxaaaacccctttttlllyyy
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:18:13 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You can't expect kids to act well. You have to give them good writing and especially good directing. Jake Lloyd had neither.
JESUS_IS_MY_GPS ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:58:05 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I was watching this yesterday and realized that Anakin is born from the stars version of the virgin of Mary. I was like wait, she just "became pregnant" for no reason?
Sooo Anakin is like Jesus? But of the dark side...? Okay
juanes3020 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:23:50 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
and also older Anakin "awesome acting" Skywalker
UnfortunateDuck ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:39:26 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He reminds me of what I imagine Steve Brule would have been like as a child.
IrishLaaaaaaaaad ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:58:27 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I recently watched the prequels for the first time and holy fuck I hated that kid. Typical "i'm the best I am awesome" and is really just an annoying preppy kid.
That acting. Sweet fuck
Russian_whataboutist ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:19:13 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Better than teenage Romeo Skywalker.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:26:35 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
still 10x better and more manly then 20 year old Whiny Anakin "The Boy Band" Skywalker
Barfignugen ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:28:07 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He's so totally wizard though!!
marksills ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:54:06 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I thought the leaving mom scene was very good and incredibly sad
TONKAHANAH ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:23:09 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
the only version of Anakin that didnt suck was the seasons 2+ animated clone wars series
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:33:03 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He gets a pass because kids are usually annoying anyway. Older Anakin is an abomination.
SirDaltosaurus ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:11:35 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Let's try spinning; that's a good trick!
Jessielaray ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:19:12 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
okay Anakin is a sad soul okay. And he gets ridiculously hot when he lets his hair down in Revenge of the Sith and turns evil. When he marches into the Jedi temple to go slaughter all those younglings and fellow Jedi, lord help me I am MOIST
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:22:59 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'd really like for George to explain if Anakin was someone we were supposed to root for at one point, or always think was a shithead.
karnyboy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:12:35 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's so wizard!
IfinallyhaveaReddit ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:13:51 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No im fine with young anakin, its episode 2 anakin i want to murder/remove
Thank god for the tv series
Taylor814 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:59:34 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"Let's try spinning, that's a good trick!"
TheNathanHolmes ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:29:10 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
When I got my wisdom teeth out, my mom said I kept repeating "I'm a person and my name in Anakin"
I watched TPM a lot as a kid
cannotfoolowls ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:19:13 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I thought he wasn't too bad. He's a kid, I can see a kid reacting like that. Teenage Anakin was far more annoying to me, even though I could see grumpy teenagers coming up with lines like "I hate sand..." etc. Teen years are by far the most awkward years of a person's life.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:09:59 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Pompous kids go on to be the most profitable Star Wars fans, so it makes sense to target that type when they are young. George Lucas is no idiot when it comes to what's best for his bank account, targeting episode 1 directly to little kids was shrewd.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:16:29 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't get the hate for him, anyone care to explain?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:51:16 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"I'll try spinning, that's a good trick!"
KXS_TuaTara ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:04:09 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Are you an angel?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:51:24 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I rewatched the prequels, it is unfairly maligned. check out my post about it here
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:48:55 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I actually hate Anakin more than Jar Jar. Its.weird to know that whiny little brat is darth vader.
Noggin-a-Floggin ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:45:23 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The actor, Jake Lloyd, actually developed schizophrenia and was arrested by the cops after leading them on a chase after striking his mother last summer.
Google it if you don't believe me.
buck54321 ยท 3076 points ยท Posted at 17:47:17 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Didn't you get the memo. We like Jar-Jar now that he's a Sith lord.
๐๏ธ proggybreaks ยท 910 points ยท Posted at 17:49:38 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Is this a fan theory? An elaborate, stupid one?
coolcool23 ยท 1125 points ยท Posted at 18:08:15 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Yes, and one that you really have to ignore a lot of rational/common sense assumptions to really believe.
E.G. Jar jar does a three story tall triple summersault not because Lucas would find it cool and kids would laugh at the silly character, but because Jar jar is actually summoning the force to do it.
Which means he would also be a really crappy sith Lord if he was that bad at hiding it.
edit: Here it is if you want to read it. It's a great fan theory, but at the end of the day that's all it is: a
theoryhypothesis (sounded good at first, but that's what it actually is). Believe it if you would prefer to think that George Lucas is infallible and didn't just make a gigantic mistake creating a stupid kid-pandering character.edit 2: People keep talking about evidence. In-universe, circumstantial 'evidence' linked by conjecture. That's all it is. And you have to ignore all of the real world evidence of pandering to children, poor writing, poor directing, poor character creation and development. All of that can be factually proven in the prequels by looking at Jar jar and young anakin, the stilted dialogue, lack of emotion, and numerous characters that either have no reason to exist or do nothing useful in the movies, respectively.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FxKtZmQgxrI
edit 3: I actually felt compelled to refute the whole thing point by point because I think it is so moronic that people actually believe it is a true theory. I will never get that time back.
ceedubs2 ยท 581 points ยท Posted at 18:31:13 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Also, at one point, Jar Jar steps in poopoo. I feel like a Sith Lord would not have done that. Or stuck his tongue on a fucking open electrical bolt.
[deleted] ยท 1286 points ยท Posted at 19:05:06 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He was absorbing its power, for Darth Jar Jar must FEED.
cheerio39 ยท 102 points ยท Posted at 21:37:34 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
*Darth Darth Binks
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 01:28:23 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
fcuk why am I laughing so hard
cheerio39 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 03:19:44 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Because winter gloom is starting to set in and you're delirious.
Mr_Goodknight ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 22:21:53 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
POWAAAAAH
UUUUUNLIMITED POWAAAAAAAAH
ornangejuice ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 19:57:13 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Darth Binks is unstoppable.
Psotnik ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 19:58:26 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Force lightening doesn't come out of thin air you know.
showyerbewbs ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 22:19:41 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
MID OR FEED!!!
Mildcorma ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:10:00 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Jar Jar Plagueis
zmankills ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:11:13 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
d_b_cooper ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:14:35 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
SO MUCH SKIIIIN. I WILL WEAR HIS FAAAACE
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:32:39 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I prefer Darth Darth Binks
AnonymousDratini ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:31:53 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Darth Darth Binks
xast ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:20:44 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Unlimited powah!
smurph9876 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:38:30 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The names Darth Darth Binks.
soccerfreak67890 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:59:20 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
After he feeds, he can't talk properly for a while
beerdude26 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:41:23 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah well duh otherwise they'd realize he didn't actually electrocute himself like a tard
Sephus ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 01:17:43 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I always preferred Darth Darth Binks.
derpsofhazard ยท 446 points ยท Posted at 19:19:54 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"The greatest trick the Devil ever pulled was convincing the world he didn't exist"
Zerce ยท 838 points ยท Posted at 19:54:59 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Milo_and_Tock ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 02:59:53 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I want this on my tombstone
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 22:00:08 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Fuck you! Coffee almost went all over my keyboard!
mountedpandahead ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:20:48 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Wuuuuuuubub, beeg Goober Fish.
Mectrid ยท -8 points ยท Posted at 21:05:22 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
*meesa ;D
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 23:03:17 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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ffxt10 ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 01:29:17 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The joke is that jar jar IS the devil, but you know... Whoosh
TimWithNumbers ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:02:43 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"Just like that, meesa gone"
frachris87 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:57:01 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"Meesa feeling maxee big awakee! Yousa be feeling it to, Kylee?"
"... yes."
"Maxee big, da Force. Da bombad Dark Side, da bombad light!"
"... I hate Gungans..."
2spicy4dapepper ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:10:02 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Fuck I love this quote. Gives me shivers...
2SP00KY4ME ยท 499 points ยท Posted at 19:00:53 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Exactly, that isn't what a sith lord what do, so it's exactly what a sith lord trying to hide would do.
When fingers start getting pointed they go for the sinister looking old man who talks about the dark side and likes to wear a hood, not the cartoon rabbit. Jar jar knows that.
andnowforme0 ยท 61 points ยท Posted at 20:18:17 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Considering how damn long it took for anyone to realize Palpatine wasn't on the up-and-up, I don't think that would be necessary.
[deleted] ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 23:57:50 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
While nobody knew palpatine was a sith lord in universe, almost everybody was suspicious in the audience though. Dude's creepy
labcoat_samurai ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 00:18:14 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It might also have something to do with the audience having seen the original trilogy, where someone named "Emperor Palpatine" who was played by the same actor was the primary antagonist.
[deleted] ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 01:35:09 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He's never called Palpatine in the original trilogy
myrabuttreeks ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:00:13 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Still, anyone who saw the original movies would know right away who he was
labcoat_samurai ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:16:11 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Interesting... yet still everyone knew the name Palpatine before the prequel trilogy, presumably from EU stuff, the script itself, or from movie merchandise. Kind of like how we also know who Bib Fortuna is.
Anyway, I remember back when I watched it, I was surprised when people told me that it's supposed to be a surprise that Senator Palpatine is the emperor, to the point where Darth Sidious wasn't actually credited as Ian McDiarmid as a way of keeping the secret.
My reaction was something like "Well, obviously "Senator" Palpatine is the future Emperor Palpatine, and he's also this Darth Sidious guy. You can tell by the fact that they are obviously the same actor, and when McDiarmid is playing Sidious, he's totally doing his emperor voice"
FerociousOreos ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 08:16:55 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's not true actually.
10ebbor10 ยท 50 points ยท Posted at 21:07:49 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's typical conspiracy theory thinking though.
Anything that points to Jar Jar being a sith is evidence of the theory. Anything that conflicts with Jar Jar being a sith is evidence of Jar Jar hiding that he's a Sith, thus evidence of the theory.
liveart ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 23:06:41 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Except that's not what he's saying. He's not saying 'anything that conflicts with jar jar being a sith means he's a sith', he's saying a sith hiding the fact they are a sith isn't exactly unheard of or out of line for the sith so it's not strong evidence. Just because you think it conflicts doesn't mean it actually does, deception is one of the most common traits for the sith after all. Saying 'well that's just a conspiracy theory' is just a convenient way to not argue the evidence. For the record I think it would be cool if jar jar was a sith but I don't give Lucas enough credit to believe it.
[deleted] ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 22:44:16 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
We should consider, however, that the story was written by George Lucas, who is an insufferable loon.
Dashing_Snow ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:43:33 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Here is the thing Lucas was a huge fan of foundation. Yoda could be seen as the good version of The Mule. Who is to say that he didn't want to make the actual Mule. There were massive script rewrites of episode 2 and it was originally called Jar Jar's grand adventure. I honestly think it was originally a thing but was dropped due to the massive negative reaction to episode 1 and Jar Jar in particular.
ohohpopo ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 19:46:02 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ah, but that's just what a sith lord would want you to think he wouldn't do.
labcoat_samurai ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 01:22:27 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Aha! So therefore, to allay suspicion, he shouldn't do it, because if he does, he looks exactly like a sith lord trying to allay suspicion!
Megmca ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 08:19:02 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
A Sith Lord wouldn't fucking try to hide. A Sith Lord would lightning bolt everyone around him in the balls until they did what he wanted. Then he'd force choke them for good measure. And then more lightning.
Source: I was a Sith Inquisitor in The Old Republic.
CaptAhabsMobyDick ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 20:33:21 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Jar Jar is like Deadpool in a way, he knows he is in a movie and understands the clichรฉs he needs to avoid in order to hide himself
2SP00KY4ME ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:26:43 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well I wouldn't say he's that aware since he lost. Plus anyone aware they're in a mainstream movie would know the evil side can't win.
CaptAhabsMobyDick ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:59:49 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Tell that to the Joker, I think he just gets hard off the chaos
[deleted] ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 20:38:13 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I love this. This is exactly how real conspiracy theories work. Every piece of circumstantial evidence that happens to fit with the theory, confirms the theory. All contrary evidence goes to show how good he is at hiding his true nature, also confirming the theory.
[deleted] ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 19:03:20 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
A big part of the theory is that Jar Jar pretends to be an idiot to avoid suspicion. When someone is that much a bumbling idiot, you feel safe letting your guard down around them. You don't suspect them of manipulating you, which ultimately makes it easier for Jar Jar to subtly influence the group's actions.
Remember, if the theory is true, Jar Jar has to manipulate several jedi, a queen, multiple high ranking military officers, and an entire senate. These are people that are going to be very highly aware of people who are trying to manipulate them. He needs to make every effort he can to disguise his true nature. Stepping in a pile of shit or making his mouth numb for a few minutes are small prices to pay.
labcoat_samurai ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 00:14:46 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This is the biggest inconsistency in the theory, actually.
When Jar Jar does idiotic things, even when no one is paying attention to him, it's all part of his long con to avoid suspicion and hide in plain sight.
Then when he allegedly uses the force repeatedly right in front of the Jedi (like with that 20 ft leap into the water), that's also seen as evidence that he's a sith lord, because he otherwise wouldn't be able to use the force.
Anyone else see the cheat in this reasoning? It's just rationalizations piled on rationalizations. It's utterly unnecessary to act like that much of a fool to allay suspicion, and if you wanted to allay suspicion, it would be positively moronic to use the force for unnecessary acrobatic displays.
It's an aggressively stupid theory, and I still haven't decided if I think anyone actually takes it seriously, or if it's all a joke.
Dashing_Snow ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:45:47 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He dives into his natural environment in order to determine if the Jedi are taken in if they aren't he will retreat and they won't be able to follow him quick enough. If they are he has his in with the Jedi and transitively the queen.
labcoat_samurai ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 01:16:01 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So if I understand this reasoning correctly, he openly force leaps into the water as a test to see if they're so monumentally stupid as to not notice, and then when they demonstrate their monumental stupidity he returns to his carefully and immaculately prepared idiot persona because, evidently, he's still worried that they might somehow catch on.
If so, that's a terrible idea. Do you imagine that as standard operating procedure for confidence men? Do magicians routinely openly show you the trick in the hopes that you'll be too stupid to get it so that they'll know they can slack off on all their future tricks.... but then not slack off anyway because, one assumes, "reasons"?
Another huge problem with all of this is that his idiot persona would be an enormous liability if he wanted to convince people that he should be trusted with anything important. He's basically Inspector Clouseau or Inspector Gadget, stumbling accidentally into success at every turn and getting lucky enough that people mistake it for competence.
So you can't have it both ways. Either his buffoonery is a trick to allay suspicion, and everyone should actually regard him as a buffoon, or he's actually a buffoon, and the only reason he gets any power or influence is that Lucas writes everyone so that they fail to notice his incompetence.
Dashing_Snow ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:23:23 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8yy3q9f84EA
Watch it.
Then when you are done go read the Foundation trilogy by Asimov in particular pay attention to The Mule. Hint it was one of Lucas's favorite series.
labcoat_samurai ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:33:40 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I tried to watch that once. The aforementioned inconsistency between him allegedly openly using the force and also maintaining a carefully crafted persona as an innocent buffoon was so jarring that I dismissed the video as a waste of time and gave up about halfway through.
Bonus favorite scene was attaching nefarious words to Jar Jar's lip movements, as if it's not really easy to do. For example, in this gif, Jaime Lannister is actually saying "fantastic"... and he's played by an actual actor delivering a real line with his human lips, unlike Jar Jar and his blubbering CGI froglips.
EDIT: As for Lucas's alleged influences, that's really reaching. What if we also found that Lucas was a fan of the Pink Panther movies? Would that be evidence that Jar Jar really is a buffoon? What if we then found out that Lucas loved The Usual Suspects? Oh crap, now the sith theory is looking plausible again!
Dashing_Snow ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:08:21 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Except there is already a distinct parallel via yoda. The is Jar Jar literally doesn't speak in these scenes so why are his lips moving. Why are there so many hand waves. Why do the Gungans seem terrified of him. What explain him killing droid after droid via flukes. The strongest part of that is similarity to drunken fist.
labcoat_samurai ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:10:46 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
It's not really much of a parallel. Yoda acted goofy for a very short time in order to test Luke's patience, and see how he would behave when he didn't know he was being evaluated. And Yoda's goofiness is clearly for Luke's benefit. Whose is Jar Jar's for? Half the stupid stuff he does is in the background when no one is paying attention.
And why not point out parallels to the other goofy characters in the Star Wars movies? Why isn't there a sith theory for C-3P0? Or maybe Salacious Crumb? Sometimes a goofy character is just goofy. Especially in Star Wars.
Well, I wasn't involved with the production, but the CGI in that movie is always super busy and distracting. My guess is that they thought it made him look more dynamic. They may also have thought that having his mouth blubber about contributed to his goofiness.
Do they, though? One of them openly and unnecessarily antagonizes him with a cattle prod just so Lucas can shoehorn in the line "how rude!" (EDIT: Which, incidentally, is a parallel to C-3P0, but I suppose we don't want to talk about those obvious parallels, because they don't fit the theory) To the extent that they do seem to be afraid of him, the movie itself offers an explanation. He was exiled for being destructively clumsy, and then he proceeds to make that explanation plausible over the course of the film by repeatedly demonstrating destructive clumsiness.
But mostly, they seem more frustrated and exasperated with him than afraid.
Anyway, let's say they were terrified. The explanation you want to arrive at, I assume, is that they know he's a sith. If that's the case, bringing the Jedi to the only people who could blow your cover and then subsequently bringing those people into the public politics of Naboo seems like a terrible idea.
Square peg, round hole, but I guess if you force anything hard enough, you can try to make it fit. There's virtually no similarity to drunken fist. Drunken boxing is an actual martial arts style and the only thing it shares in common with what Jar Jar does is that it looks awkward and confusing to people.
The infinitely more likely explanation is that it's slapstick comedy. There are innumerable examples of clumsy buffoons accidentally defeating their enemies in films, and the Jar Jar scenes in Phantom Menace have exactly the same tone, pacing, and comedic timing as those scenes.
EDIT: And a question for you. Must I debunk each and every claim of the sith hypothesis before you'll begin to doubt it at all? The only way a conspiracy theory like this works is that a predominance of weak evidence and tenuous links adds up to something you can't ignore. There's nothing adding up here. You're retreating into an ever receding pocket of hold-out rationalizations that would never sell the theory on their own.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:04:56 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
There's a deleted scene where he is controlling the crowd. I feel it's perfectly believable that at some point he was meant to be a reveal and then it got scrapped.
ceedubs2 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:41:25 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What?
A3LMOTR1ST ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 18:50:41 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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Pennsylvania6-5000 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:56:54 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If you're a sith lord, you've gotta sell it.
peppers_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:33:45 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't know, who said that a Sith has to be smart? Look at Anakin, he was a moron who was manipulated easily. I'd have to ask who his master was though. There is always a Master and Apprentice. Darth Sidious had Darth Maul and then Count Dooku, then Darth Vader. If Jar Jar was the master, shouldn't he have tried to convert Anakin?
TheBaltimoron ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:37:11 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Just what a Sith Lord would want you to believe.
Fresno-bob5000 ยท -16 points ยท Posted at 18:50:27 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Or got farted in the face.
Anyone who spends more than 2 seconds in that theory is a sad sad moron. Only thing you gotta remember is what a stupid racist idea he was and how badly out of sync Lucas is to do that.
FerretHydrocodone ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 19:13:20 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What what? Why is it racist..?
Fresno-bob5000 ยท -6 points ยท Posted at 20:34:37 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
At the very least an ill thought racial stereotype turned into a cgi space rabbit- at worst something really significant about Lucas' thinking: See the numerous decidedly dodgy quotes from him throughout his career- even just the other day.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:11:49 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What race was he supposedly satirizing?
Fresno-bob5000 ยท -7 points ยท Posted at 22:16:48 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He's a blatant call back from 50s animations of uneducated slaves and working black men, with some Caribbean faux patwa thrown in for good measure.
Dude if you've never heard this or realised then that ain't on me.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:20:11 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Or maybe you're reaching and others don't agree with you? Just a thought.
Fresno-bob5000 ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 22:30:45 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe you're a fucking bigot or don't know how to google nevermind see something incredibly obvious millions of people have talked about for years.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:00:23 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm a bigot now? Yeah, you totally convinced me. Fuck off nerd.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:25:37 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well, first of all, you don't personally know anyone who believes that theory, ironically or unironically, so you have no right to call them morons. Also, racist? What? You mean the accent?
bac5665 ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 19:53:23 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not op, but yeah, that accent is pretty racist.
dondonk123 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 19:57:24 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah I mean everyone makes fun of the Gungans now how do you think they feel?
Disabllities ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 01:04:46 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Characterization. Maybe he was doing that so nobody would suspect him?
moonwalkindinos ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 08:24:48 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Upvoted you for using the word 'poopoo'. Sometimes I can't adult.
spookychan ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 19:12:11 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Or ever, under any circumstances, used the phrase "exsqueeze me"
Krypt0night ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 19:39:51 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You would to throw people off the trail, duh
TheFuzzyPickler ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 19:09:31 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Someone pretending to be retarded would definitely do that.
McNerfBurger ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 22:19:59 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Why do you hate fun?
TheBlackBear ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 06:38:59 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Because now that the theory got popular, people have to jump ahead of it, be overly serious about it, and call it stupid and anyone who believed in it morons. Because that's what nerds do and it's why everybody in real life hates them and their culture.
DawsonJBailey ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 19:30:06 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
he's like tobi lol
saors ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:30:28 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I was just thinking the same thing!
HappyStalker ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 19:51:45 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
TL;DR Jar-Jar is pulling a Tobi
Stormhammer ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:34:24 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Robot Chicken called it years ago
MikeRat ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:47:05 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You're acting like Star Wars was written in fiction and not a historical document of another galaxy.
weltallic ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:08:00 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's a coping mechanism.
"Hey... if we see what we want to see, these movies aren't so bad."
See: Dogs never die. They just get tired.
jambooza64 ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 00:12:44 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
read the theory before saying that
The_Celtic_Chemist ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 23:55:27 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Well show me one other Gungan that made an impact in the battle of Naboo, or demonstrated the use of any acrobatics, or anyone who constantly gets senselessly dragged and promoted into every situation, or is as luckily effective as he is. (Remember, Obi-Wan said in Ep. 4 that there is no such thing as luck.) And what does he do when he sits in for Queen Amidala? He persuades the Galactic Senate to give full control to Chancellor Palpatine and the ability to control the Clone Army, killing democracy
Lucas also likes to give names with meaning. His name "Binks" likely comes from "Bink," from the Xanth series. His character who gets banished (just like Jar Jar was outcasted) has strong powers that work in "roundabout" ways to protect him, but revealing this to others would ultimately be his downfall. His powers even work to prevent others from discovering the existence of these powers.
There's far more evidence, though, the general theory is this: Jar Jar was supposed to be revealed as a Sith Lord in Ep. 2, but they made him so unpalatable in Ep. 1 that they backed out. Upon this reveal it would be apparent that The Phantom Menace was Jar Jar, not Palpatine or Maul. (Remember that a common definition of 'Menace' is "a person or thing that causes trouble or annoyance" which describes Jar Jar far better than Palpatine or Maul.) Instead, Count Dooku was introduced with no back story, because he was pasted in where Jar Jar should have been, causing the separatist movement and all. This leads to the
"Luke, I am your father""Ani, I am Darth Tyranus" moment (also similar to the reveal in Ep. 5 that the comical, oddball was actually the Jedi Master Yoda) and we'd have an awesome puppet fight between Jar Jar and Yoda in Ep. 2, rather than with Dooku.Makes watching Episode I better baring this in mind, I'll tell you that much.
Edit: Also Ahmed Best (the voice actor of Jar Jar) said this in an interview
Regardless of all else, it is apparent that Jar Jar was intended to land on the dark side either way.
captainedwinkrieger ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:00:14 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Plus, it's not like George Lucas is able to write that deep of a character
linkprovidor ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 21:08:20 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Since when did the fans give a shit about George Lucas' intentions?
George Lucas obviously didn't intend to use parsecs to discuss the speed of the Kessel run because it involved swinging dangerously close to a black hole to cut down on the distance, that was a fan theory to cover up Lucas' bad writing. And guess what, that theory gets a nod in TFA.
Artist's intent is completely irrelevant when discussing Star Wars.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:57:48 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Its a great idea for fanfiction and thats about it
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:13:16 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Referring to the triple somersault part, the theory part is that he was hanging from one side of the bridge, and he came down from the other side and droid heads looked like they were following his movements.
I'm not trying to argue the theory or anything, just stating what it says in case people decide not to read the article
edwartica ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:15:04 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Eh, when you're talking about fiction, in universe is really what's important anyways. A major tenet of literary theory says exactly this. Some go so far as to say the author's intention isn't something to be taken into account (ie the intentional fallacy).
edit: autocorrect.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:28:10 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You just don't get it
Dashing_Snow ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:39:59 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Here is the biggest reason to think Jar Jar uses the force. Jar Jar has actual luck in a universe where luck doesn't exist. There is also the whole thing about talking about how hot Padme is to an 8 year old but let's not talk about that.
64bitcornydog ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:01:57 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The single most compelling point of that theory is: why else would Palpatine still be hanging out with Jar Jar in the second and third movies?
I mean seriously. The guys who hang out with the king are the ones who wield real power in a society. Just as this guy.
coolcool23 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:24:43 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
From my longer post:
Uhm, because Jar Jar is a fool who is easily manipulated. Palpatine doesn't even have to use his powers on him because of how dumb Jar Jar is in the prequels. He's so easily manipulated by those around him it didn't even take the force. What, "unbelievable!" you might say. You mean, as unbelievable as in the real world where it happens all the time without the force?
Yes he would. But he's there as a political appeasement to the Queen, who becomes a senator herself! This is how politics works. In universe Palpatine is thrilled to have Jar Jar in the position because he knows he's a moron and can be used. And he has backing of Amidala because she likes Jar Jar from the good old days, so everyone follows him because they like here and know she places trust in Jar Jar out of sentiment. This literally happens in Politics all the friggin time.
It's not compelling because the rational explanation is much more real and much less of a strain to understand.
64bitcornydog ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 02:28:25 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Palpatine would only do that if Jar Jar had some value to him... something not available from just anyone. Else why expend any effort manipulating a broke simpleton?
Naboo is one small planet in a gigantic federation. Palpatine does not need anything from either Jar Jar or the Queen of that useless tourist trap.
EDIT: And another thing. Jar Jar's position at Palpatine's side gives him a profound access to confidential information and decisions. Jar Jar must be assumed to be blabbing everything. So you would never keep him around except in tightly controlled situations that were staged to mislead him... assuming, of course, that he is worth misleading.
cultured_banana_slug ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:20:15 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He creates waves of hatred that permeate another reality (ours). That's some Sith-power right there.
Brandon_Me ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:30:39 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Why would an aquatic creature be so good at jumping.
coolcool23 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:32:23 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
For the same reason they live in air domes under the sea.
Brandon_Me ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:33:47 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Which is?
coolcool23 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:47:46 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't know, that's the point you tell me lol. Bad writing? I said in my longer post that the jump was probably a stylistic thing Lucas inserted, or something that someone suggested to him to make the end of the scene more interesting then the three of them slipping into the water. It makes it more interesting for the kids too when they watch Jar Jar's crazy antics on screen because he is ultimately comic relief.
Brandon_Me ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:18:18 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So basicly you choose to ignore a theory by saying rather then any of it being intentional, it's actually just bad writing?
coolcool23 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:36:00 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well if you are putting words into my mouth, then that's what I'm doing on this one specific point, yes. I mean, how else can you disprove a hypothesis which is based on mostly guesses and suppositions? The original hypothesis was an extraordinary post filled with lots of circumstantial evidence filled in and connected by conjecture. Like most 'conspiracy' type assertions, it requires a focus more on what we don't know than what we do to come to a conclusion. Which was wrong, by the way, since Jar Jar is not snoke and Disney is not using that plot line moving forward.
If you want to know the other exhausting myriad of real facts which disprove the Jar Jar hypothesis then by all means, read on.
Occam's Razor, and more importantly truthful, hard evidence is your friend.
labcoat_samurai ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:31:16 on January 4, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Which leads to the inexorable conclusion that Willy is a sith.
Brandon_Me ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:49:54 on January 4, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Obviously.
xbigman ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:47:38 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I prefer to call him Darth Darth Binks. Otherwise still love the whole theory, was a very good shit post.
tatsuedoa ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:33:10 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't think anyone accepts it as official canon/theory, it's fan theory and an explanation to get rid of the circle jerk that is the Jar Jar hate.
No, it's not going to be realized in film. If Lucas had thought of that, episode 2 or 3 would have some realization of this.
Hell there's a theory that E.T was a jedi, fan theory that coincides with a small nod between directors.
coolcool23 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:40:54 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I get it, but that's what bothers me the most in a more general sense: that people are willing to ignore facts to believe what they want even when it makes no sense.
The Jar Jar hate circlejerk exists because Jar Jar is an objectively terrible character, and everyone could see immediately that he was just a blight on the franchise. It's sad but true and this hypothesis just comes off as a desperate attempt to bring meaning back to the prequels for hardcore fans where none exists.
tatsuedoa ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:49:09 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah Jar Jar is an atrocity, but he can't be ignored at this point. Even the edits and fan versions that cut him out aren't enough, that's the same as accepting the Darth Jar Jar theory. Episode 1 sucked for many reasons, it's better if we all just accept it as the weaker episode of the series and hope Disney doesn't change that.
Pizzaman99 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:35:06 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ah shit now I have to sit down and watch all 7 episodes again.
ALLKAPSLIKEMFDOOM ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:03:11 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I just watched that entire review. Worth it
Woyaboy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:17:25 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Christ almighty, that post has 47,000 upvotes!
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:39:06 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He was making a toy he thought would sell, plain and simple
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:40:16 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You are doing the Force's work, son.
The whole concept was ripped off of Asimov's Foundation series and then pigeonholed into Star Wars cannon.
Most people don't even realize this due to how unusual it is for people to actually read books.
thatnameagain ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:54:11 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I hate the existence of that "fan theory", which literally no one believes. It's entirely sarcastic. Does it make episode I cooler? No. Does it make JarJar cooler? No, not possible. All it did was make people talk more about JarJar in the run up to episode VII. Least cool fan theory ever. THANKS OBAMA.
Lyratheflirt ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:03:04 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The jump could easily be explained as something his species can do which if it even was force related, the characters would have to know that his species can't do that in order to come to that conclusion.
jambooza64 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 00:11:32 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
that was probably the least convincing part of the theory. What made me think its true is the deliberate animations put in place. He jumps and appears somewhere totally different off camera but the droid that was animated recognises the quick change in movement.
Lyratheflirt ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:35:47 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah it seems odd that they would add such a subtle detail in there like that. It's so hard to miss.
Dashing_Snow ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:49:03 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Only if you are look for it. How many people can honestly say they noticed it when first watching the movie. It's incredibly subtle.
jambooza64 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:21:36 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
thats what makes it so believable for me. If they revealed jar jar to be a sith people would go back to the 1st movie and would notice these things. Theres also jar jars mouth movement as major characters talk and since jar jar was animated then it was put in intentionally
coolcool23 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 19:04:47 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, I mean there's about a dozen more rational explanations before you get to "whelp, guess he was an evil force master!"
Lyratheflirt ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:31:57 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not sure why you are being downvoted, you are right.
recon_ninja ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 23:34:56 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
While the theory is stupid already, the fact that a supposed Sith Lord performs force flips in front of two Jedi, defeats the whole thing. He's an amphibious alien, it's not out of the realm of possibility his species can jump like frogs.
Lyratheflirt ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:07:48 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well it's still a plausible theory, it's just that the jump thing isn't any big solid evidence. The theory itself, imo is pretty cool and rather solid.
jambooza64 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:12:22 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
this, the jump is pretty minimal evidence compared to the rest
narrill ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 18:47:35 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The evidence in TPM is actually very strong, and it's been said in interviews that the plot of II and III were drastically changed because of the hate Jar Jar got. At this point I think it's obvious Lucas had intended for Jar Jar to be a sith lord, but dropped the idea after TPM.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 19:16:06 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I actually re watched TPM a few days ago, and I wouldn't consider the evidence "very strong". If you really want to believe the theory you can piece together evidence to support your opinion, but there is also a fair amount of evidence that would disprove the Darth Jar Jar theory.
Probably the biggest piece of evidence against it would be the line at the end of the movie where Yoda tells Mace Windu "Always two there are, no more, no less."
Morpse4 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 19:20:27 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
But there's hardly ever just two, and when there are two, at least one of them is probably trying to recruit another one.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:38:13 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
During the movies I don't think there are ever more than 2 Sith at any time, Grievous would be the closest but he's never actually a Sith he's just a bad ass warrior that Dooku taught lightsaber techniques to.
Palpatine does try to recruit new Sith while he still has a current apprentice, but he never actually has 2 apprentices at once. He tries to get Luke to kill Darth Vader, completing his transformation to the dark side which would maintain the rule of two. He also gets Anakin to kill Count Dooku during the process of turning Anakin to the Darkside.
Honestly I think the easiest and most likely answer to why there are so many plot holes, and dumb things in I, II, and III is simply that George Lucas wasn't an amazing script writer.
Morpse4 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:53:07 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The movies are most often two sith, but they are actively trying to recruit during the movies, while Palpatine tried to recruit by getting someone to kill his apprentice, remember that Darth Vader wanted to recruit Luke and then dethrone the emperor.
TFA SPOILERS BELOW
In the newest movie, we see Kylo Ren try to recruit Rey. We also need more information on Snoke, IMO its extremely unlikely he became a sith after the death of Vader and Palpatine which means at least RotJ had 3 sith in it. He seems to be quite old and battle scarred which may indicate he's been around at least as long as Palpatine, possibly even Palpatine's master Plaguis.
narrill ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:31:52 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The easiest answer to that is that contemporary sith don't hold to the rule of two as strictly as Yoda thinks they do. Remember that until Darth Maul and Qui Gon's fight the Jedi and Sith hadn't seen each other in almost a thousand years. And obviously in the context of the entire trilogy there already were three sith at that point with Dooku included.
But it's also plausible that Jar Jar is some manifestation of darth plagueis, who Palpatine believes he killed. This would actually jive nicely with the rule of two - the point of it is for the apprentice to surpass and kill the master, but iirc palpatine killed plagueis in his sleep, defeating the point. It would make sense for the rule of two to be broken in that case, which, theoretically, plagueis did by creating anakin.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:38:06 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
There were 10 years between TPM, and AotC plenty of time in there for Dooku to become a Sith, It's kind of a big assumption to believe he already was a Sith during TPM.
narrill ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:54:00 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's reasonable, but again, Palpatine isn't shown to follow the principle of the rule of two to begin with. He kills Plagueis in his sleep, sacrifices Dooku to turn Anakin, then tries to sacrifice Anakin to turn Luke. He isn't looking after the sith lineage, he's looking for the most powerful pawn.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:24:29 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Well the rule of two never had anything to do with Sith lineage, It was basically a rule that a Sith lord made up after the Sith got almost entirely wiped out by the Jedi, because the Sith were so consumed with their quest for power that they were as much at war with themselves as they were with the Jedi.
The rule of two made it less likely that there would be major conflict within the Sith empire, and looking for the most powerful pawn doesn't break the rule of two. Based off the movies I'd say Palpatine follows the rule of two incredibly well. When attempting to recruit Anakin, he has Anakin kill Dooku. When attempting to recruit Luke he tries to get him to kill Vader.
narrill ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:22:23 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The rule of two was created by darth bane after the destruction of the sith order at the time, which he felt had grown weak not because of in-fighting (though that was also a factor), but because it allowed sith lords to stay in power politically rather than by actually being powerful. The whole point of the rule of two is that the master has power and the apprentice wants to take that power, so they learn all they can then kill the master and take on an apprentice of their own. It had nothing to do with reducing conflict and everything to do with preventing stagnation.
There's no evidence whatsoever that this principle is still followed by the time of the prequels. Certainly not by Palpatine, who killed his master in his sleep.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:46:29 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Except there are hardly ever any decent examples of there being only TWO Sith in the entire galaxy at one time.
The Clone Wars TV series validates this. As an example, Asajj Ventress is Count Dooku's apprentice/assassin and is most definitely a Sith. Dooku is Sidious' apprentice. Then you have the still living Darth Maul take on his own apprentice in his brother Savage, who also was at one time apprentice to both Ventress and Dooku.
What is much more clear is that the Jedi have a very clear misunderstanding of how the Sith truly operate.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:52:01 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not saying that the theory is impossible, I'm just saying that the evidence isn't "very strong" either way. There are pieces of evidence that support Darth Jar Jar, and there are pieces of evidence that disprove it.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:59:28 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not arguing the Jar Jar theory, simply stating that there is no evidence that the rule of two has ever only meant there are only ever two Sith in the galaxy of Star Wars. On the contrary, the evidence in the Star Wars movies and television series suggests the opposite, that there are indeed often more than two Sith.
Just saying that your initial argument about what Yoda says, "Always two there are, no more, no less." is inherently flawed based upon what we actually know about the Sith. What you do understand in that quote is how the Jedi drastically misunderstand their opponents, the Sith.
Basically, I'm just trying to point out that your ending argument is actually the last argument you should be attempting to use as evidence against the Darth Jar Jar theory, as it's an extremely flawed example.
I think the best evidence against the Darth Jar Jar theory is that it simply doesn't exist at all. It's simply just an interesting fan theory. Lucas may have originally considered it during the Phantom Menace production, but it obviously never went beyond that.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:19:01 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
At no point during any of the 6 movies are there ever more than 2 sith at any time.
The Clone Wars T.V series is a different beast entirely, but that show did not exist at the time of TPM so I don't feel like it should be used as evidence the rule of two as stated in TPM didn't exist.
coolcool23 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:50:12 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The 'evidence' presented in the fan theory is almost entirely circumstantial and linked by a lot of conjecture.
coolcool23 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:03:47 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/3z5k76/other_than_jarjar_who_are_the_most_universally/cyjhqiy
narrill ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 19:18:29 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You're right, I totally forgot about the time he stepped in poop! That obviously invalidates the whole theory.
coolcool23 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:33:34 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Think about that reveal in episode 2 if it had actually happened... a character that was previously written as a bumbling fool is revealed to be the smartest character of the whole group, and was the whole time. It would be like Ernest goes to space and all of a sudden he can inexplicably and single handedly operate and land a shuttle craft on his own, or if Lloyd Christmas suddenly starred in a serious drama where he discovers the equation to a unifying field theory.
It would make no sense, is beyond poor writing or storytelling, and people wouldn't accept it and write the films off as even more terrible than they already are. Or, at least episode 1.
But by all means, continue to believe that George Lucas can do no wrong and is smarter than millions of fans and critics who have universally rejected the character. Apparently he wasn't smart enough to stick to his guns and blow the minds of everyone in the world with this fantastic and brilliant twist, I guess. If indeed he made major changes to the character of jar jar in order to remove this plotline, then it just proves more than ever that he was willing to pander to his audience, which is what people already thought jar jar was as a character anyways.
narrill ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:03:22 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't know how you could possibly think it would make no sense in the face of the evidence the theory presents, and I'm sure a few minutes of googling is all it would take to find other stories with similar twists. Calling it poor storytelling is just closed-minded.
As for Lucas, I don't think anyone thinks he's particularly smart. Thanks to him we got a bubblegum soap opera with fancy effects when we should have gotten Tolkien in space, and I think that deep down a lot of the hard core fans realize that. This theory is a glimmer of hope that Lucas isn't as stupid as he seems, and if you look at the theory in the context of Lucas being a terrible writer it actually becomes a lot more reasonable. It makes sense that he wouldn't be able to properly juggle the main plot, the foreshadowing for the twist, and the fanservice necessary to appeal to a younger audience and sell toys, and Jar Jar is at the center of all three.
coolcool23 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:54:20 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No it's not, it's a rational analysis rooted in hundreds of years of human story/plot development!
Please name me one of those twists that you believe is just as effective. One that received critical praise for revealing a clearly established bumbling fool/sidekick character as an evil genius, and not in a sarcastic or humorous context.
narrill ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:38:16 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What analysis, and how is it rooted in anything? The only rebuttal you've given so far is that if he were a sith lord he wouldn't have acted so dumb, which isn't very compelling.
You think the theory's evidence is circumstantial. Cool, that sounds reasonable, so explain why you think that way. You think there's a lot of conjecture, point out that conjecture. You think the reveal is an example of bad storytelling? That's great, now tell me why.
You can't just claim to be on the side of common sense, that isn't how this works. Explain yourself.
coolcool23 ยท 43 points ยท Posted at 00:20:45 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't need to do the analysis on the plot or the characters, it's already been done, and far better than I could.
But if you truely need me to pull together all of the evidence to the contrary, which has alredy been pointed out by many others and is actually very evident in both the universe and in real life, then here we go:
Point by point:
Firstly,
Lets ignore the fact that he uses the word 'establish' which means he needs to pull together evidence that for the past 10 years has not been obviously evident upon watching the film. To establish the characters in the film is to define them to the audience and give them an idea of their motivations and attributes. Apparently this so-called 'very plausible' theory has not been evident to people for the past decade, which is indicative of a very poor use of foreshadowing or proper characterization on the part of Lucas. Lets also ignore the fact that the film clearly establishes jar jar as a non-humanoid, comic relief type figure. Evidence:
*His speech patterns are comical, similar to children who are still trying to learn how to talk *He steps in shit *He gets his tongue caught in the pod racer electrical arc *He loses his shit at the mere sign of danger and is afraid to be in the battle with the rest of the gungans when it starts. *He angers sebulba, for no apparent reason after accidentally slinging food into his face. There is no reason for this scene to exist beyond painting him as a comic relief character.
Point 1: A twisting two story sommersault proves that he is summoning the force.
In-universe Counterpoint: At no point are we told that the gungans aren't physically capable of this. There is no direct evidence that this is impossible without the force just as there is no direct evidence that it is only possible with the force. there are many aliens in Star Wars. Are we to believe that they are all identical to humans in terms of the ordinary physical feats they can accomplish?
Out of universe Counterpoint: Jar Jar is on over the top character and this was an over the top action which fits him as a lighthearted sidekick. Kids find it fun to watch and it is more interesting than him and the jedi's simply slipping into the water together.
Point 2: Jar Jar's actions in the prequels are more than luck because Obi-wan claims there is no such thing as luck in the original trilogy.
In-universe Counterpoint: Maybe Obi-wan was wrong. Certainly the Jedi are proven to never be all-knowing or infallible, as Sidious pretty much succeeds in manipulating their smartest team, the council and slaughters them all except Yoda because he has to survive until Empire.
Out of universe Counterpoint: Jar Jar's ability to escape death falls right in line with his characterization as a bumbling fool/sidekick. You can't kill him off because that would be too dark for a PG movie aimed at a younger demographic. He is able to perform the feats he can such as killing battle droid while cowering after getting a blaster stuck on his foot for that reason. In a 'realistic' war, people who cower and bumble around get killed, but that would be ludicrously out of place for a lighthearted action sci-fi movie aimed at a super large demographic.
Point 3: Jar-Jar's movements during the battle scene are actually drunken boxing.
There is no simpler way of putting this than saying that it is pure conjecture. The actions look like drunken boxing, so Jar Jar knows more than he's letting on! There's no way to disprove this because it relies entirely on subjective evidence which is not backed up anywhere else in the film. Related to point 2.
Point 4: Jar-Jar leaping off of the balcony uses the force to redirect and/or manipulate the droids to fire at multiple targets.
In-universe counterpoint: the battle droids are established as laughably poor fighters, even worse than stormtroopers and probably worse when it comes to shooting too. You never see many gungans get hit by blasters and die in the final battle between them and the droids, which suggests this. The droid is aiming higher than it needs to because it is a terrible shot. If you actually look at the scene you can see that the droid doesn't even shoot that high. It's just over the head of Qui-gon and pretty much right at his direction. http://gfycat.com/LinearAgreeableArachnid#?speed=0.5 The intent is clearly to fire on the Jedi duo.
out of universe counterpoint: George lucas supports this in the behind he scenes when he says that battle droids don't stand a chance and just get cut down like butter. The CGI animator was tasked with adding in blaster shots all over the place, so he did. It doesn't matter where they go, as long as there are enough to get deflected by the Jedi and fill the frame otherwise.
Emphasis mine. This is not evidence. It's him conjecturing about something that happens off camera. If you're looking for in-universe evidence to support this point, this isn't it. It's just pure guess work.
Point 5: Jar-Jar is a master of the jedi mind trick because of the hand movements he makes.
These are all common forms of body language in speech which normal people use every day. The first is dismissal, waving the hand at a ridiculous notion like he might become general, or dismissing the opportunity because he does not want to be in the fighting. this fits in universe with his previous characterization as a coward in the underwater bongo scene. The second is an opening of the hands which implies a giving or open attitude. The third is an open arm wave as a gesture to join him and his cause. No jedi is seen using a mind trick on thousands of people at once in the universe so there's no evidence to support that anyone could do it on such a large and diverse body of people.
I'm getting tired of this so I'll move faster:
jar Jar doesn't do this, boss nass tells them it's the fastest way. This is just wrong.
Again, he's a bumbling sidekick, who sticks out in any context and gets involved with everyone around him. Of course he caused a scene in the shop, just like he caused one outside with Sebulba, etc... THIS IS SO STUPID.
Where? When does this happen? No citation. And even if it was, JAR JAR IS A SILLY CHILDREN CHARACTER. Of course he would randomly make fun of the Jedi behind their backs because the Jedi were stuffy and boring even to adults!
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The rest of the anlaysis is just a joke because EVERYTHING ABOVE can be disproven through common sense and/or direct evidence.
Jar Jar and the senator are working together becasue they live on the same planet. Why? It is established that the naboo and the gungans do not have a good relationship, so why would they even know each other? It's much more likely that they never were aware of each other's existence until the events of the movie.
Explain to me how Jar-Jar got the princess' shuttle to stop on Tatooine? That was the Jedi's idea, Qui-gon gin I think, because it was out of the way of trade federation forces. Did Jar-Jar redirect the path of the ship using the force so that they would happen to drift close to it and then maybe use it again on Qui-gon just to make sure he would go there? Of course, why not? The rest of the analysis is based in pure speculation anyways so why not just make a few more unsubstantiated leaps while we're at it.
cont: https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/3z5k76/other_than_jarjar_who_are_the_most_universally/cyjtl6v
coolcool23 ยท 38 points ยท Posted at 00:21:33 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
What? That's pure and total speculation.
Oh, yeah, Ok at least he admits it.
Uhm, because Jar Jar is a fool who is easily manipulated. Palpatine doesn't even have to use his powers on him because of how dumb Jar Jar is in the prequels. He's so easily manipulated by those around him it didn't even take the force.
What, "unbelievable!" you might say. You mean, as unbelievable as in the real world where it happens all the time without the force?
Yes he would. But he's there as a political appeasement to the Queen, who becomes a senator herself! This is how politics works. In universe Palpatine is thrilled to have Jar Jar in the position because he knows he's a moron and can be used. And he has backing of Amidala because she likes Jar Jar from the good old days, so everyone follows him because they like here and know she places trust in Jar Jar out of sentiment. This literally happens in Politics all the friggin time.
arguably he failed miserably at that because the prequels are nothing like the original trilogy. This is one of the most derided comments Lucas made from the behind the scenes because it was so painfully obvious that he didn't know what he was talking about.
Again, and I cannot stress this enough, OLD GL IS AN KNOWN PANDERER. The Phantom menace was written to sell toys and appeal to both adults AND KIDS, which it did. If this guy is right, than the fact that George lucas bowed to public backlash against Jar Jar and neutered that part of the storyline confirms that he is a weaker director who will do whatever he can to appeal to his audience rather than tell a good story. Which is the reason JAR JAR exists in the first place.
The most damning piece of evidence. First Disney has explicitly redefined the Star Wars universe to contain the prequels; far from "ignoring billions of dollars" they have wholeheartedly embraced it. It never went away. But this idea of "Darth Jar-Jar" wasn't resurrected. Because it is a dumb idea. One founded in so many assumptions and conjectures and suppositions that it has no basis in fact, either in the real world or the universe in the films. Is it fun to think about? Sure. And he presented some pretty good sounding points that really mesh together and make you rethink the whole thing.
Until you realize when you really think about it that it isn't true. It never was true. And it will never be true.
Aqquila89 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:36:01 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
One more thing: the theory states that Lucas chickened out after the extremely negative reaction to Jar Jar in a Phantom Menace and invented a new villain instead, Count Dooku. Yet, the author still uses plot points from Attack of the Clones and Revenge of the Sith to support his theory. If Lucas gave up on revealing Jar Jar to be an evil mastermind, why he still gave clues for that? Why did he make "inexplicable" scenes which he's never going to explain?
BaggierBag ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:17:48 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Wow, awesome post! I appreciate the time you put into arguing against this stupid theory.
narrill ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 01:52:27 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'll admit that a lot of it is conjecture and speculation, so I won't bother responding to most of what you've written because there's no need, but there are a few things that must be addressed:
First, Jar Jar's childish mannerisms and inane antics are not an indication that he's a total idiot. Yoda is just as ridiculous when Luke meets him, and if it weren't for the fact that he was hundreds of years old and confined to a swamp I'm sure we'd have seen him acting just as stupidly. Jar Jar has nothing to fear from anything around him, especially if you also accept the theory that he's darth plagueis. He gives no fucks, and acts like it.
Second, there's no reason for him to stick around for more than a few minutes. No rational person would have taken him as a navigator, and he doesn't do anything to guide the jedi duo anyway, he just sits there acting like an idiot through the whole journey. Not only does he stick around for more than a few minutes, he accompanies the troupe on their entire adventure. You could chalk this up to Lucas wanting a kid-friendly character, but it just straight up doesn't make sense for the characters to be okay with keeping a random idiot gungan around Amidala, and no one, not even her honor guard who've never seen Jar Jar before, question it. Even for bad writing, that's ridiculous.
Third, why are the rest of the gungans deathly afraid of Jar Jar? People literally flee, and the guards single out Jar Jar over the Jedi. That isn't how people react to a bumbling idiot, even one who accidentally caused a catastrophic event.
Fourth, what's going on in the balcony scene? Even if we toss the bit with the droid, how does Jar Jar fall on the right side when we clearly see him on the left? Even if there isn't any point to it, why would the animation team do that? It doesn't make sense.
Finally, Lucas and Ahmed's comments make it clear that the plot was rewritten in a major way in response to the Jar Jar hate, more than just reducing his screen time, and we know that a) the prequels are meant to mirror the OT (which they do, in a vague sort of way), b) Lucas has a thing for seemingly insignificant characters becoming very important and for reveals, and c) the prequels didn't have a reveal like the OT did. From that alone we can surmise that Jar Jar was originally meant to be very important, and that he was an intimate enough part of the reveal that it had to be cut entirely as part of the rewrite. Toss the relevance of his name on top and things become more clear.
I'm not arguing that Jar Jar is a sith lord, just that he was meant to be one at some point. You can pass a lot of what he does off as comic relief, but when things start contradicting the rational behavior of the characters you have to wonder why they are that way, and that's exactly what we have with Jar Jar.
coolcool23 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 02:21:04 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You're just repeating something that has no basis in fact. You assume he is a dark lord to characterize his actions rather than recognizing that he's just a silly character and kind of a moron which completely explains his actions by definition of the stereotype.
You're describing the bad writing and storytelling by GL. You are right, there was no reason for him to be there for more than a few minutes. It happened because a bad decision was made during development and he was made a much larger part of the story than he should have been to make it a better movie.
Because he'd been banished for being clumsy. It's the first line under cannon. I don't know what scene you are specifically talking about where people "flee" from him (assuming returning to the gungan 'capital' or whatever), but people don't want to be associated with someone that has been excommunicated from the group. This goes back thousands of years.
The theory is just blatantly ignoring hard facts now, just like when skadoosh said Jar jar made them go through the planet core when it was boss nass who actually suggested it. Jar jar even tells them they are being "set up" and not to go.
Films are made by humans who make mistakes, all the time. It's very likely a shot was conceived or even shot which showed Jar Jar running over to the other side and trying to shimmy down the pipe before he fell but was cut during editing and either no one noticed or cared that he comes down the other side. But that too is conjecture, suffice it to say what you are talking about is a continuity error and they are common in film.
There's this thing called Occam's razor which states:
It exists for a reason, because the more assumptions that are made, the less truth there is to something. What you and skadoosh are doing is referred to among normal people as "stretching things." You are looking for insignificant or unrelated items and using various conjectures to build relationships between them and come to a false conclusion.
I would be shocked if Lucas was concerned with the etymology of Jar-Jar's name. In fact, it's equally likely that it was chosen simply because it was easy to pronounce. Of course I can't prove that, but neither can the alternate explanation because they are both just guesswork. One is much more simpler than the other though and requires much less stretching.
What we have is what we can see and hear, which tells us that Jar Jar is a standard stereotypical bumbling sidekick that everyone hated and which was minimized in the future moves due in part to that near universal hate.
Seeing as how no rational evidence will change your mind, I'm done with this conversation. If you want to continue being a Jar-Jar truther and by all means go over and join /r/conspiracy if it makes you feel better about the prequel trilogy. It doesn't change the fact that they still kind of suck, due in no small part to George Lucas' unrestrained oversight.
narrill ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:46:29 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yo, you need to pull your head out of your ass and realize that I'm not a "Jar-Jar truther" trying to convince you that GL is some misunderstood genius because some bit character made a funny hand motion. I'm not even trying to convince you that the theory as presented is correct, so stop trying to level your complaints with the intimate details of the theory, specifically that Boss Nass told them to go through the planet's core, at me, they aren't relevant.
In order:
1) Of course I'm assuming he's a dark lord, I'm responding to your argument that if he were a sith lord he wouldn't act the way that he acts. How could I possibly respond to that outside the context of him being a sith lord?
2) I would chalk it up to bad writing if we didn't already know that there were larger plans for Jar Jar. Since we do, we have reason to suspect there's an actual reason he sticks around longer than he should, and his being a force user would totally explain this if it were true.
3) Yes, it's when they enter the gungan capital. People flee, and the guards point spears at him. That just isn't how people react to a bumbling idiot, even one that's been excommunicated. Th rest of the gungans are obviously afraid of him. The wikipedia page you linked states that he was banished for destroying Boss Nass's submarine, which makes the reaction even less rational.
4) This one is reasonable. It's a pretty big mistake for a franchise that large, but still reasonable.
finally) Contrary to what you may believe, more assumptions does not mean less true, or even less likely. Occam's razor is only a guiding principle, and in this case it would fly in the face of actual evidence.
I'm sorry you don't think rational evidence will change my mind, but it certainly will. You just haven't presented enough of it for that.
labcoat_samurai ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:48:16 on January 4, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Sure, but so would lots of candidate explanations. Let's entertain another one. Maybe he was intended to be a recurring comic relief character like C-3P0 from the original trilogy, but his extreme unpopularity drove Lucas to cut most of his planned scenes.
Which seems more likely? Option A is that a seemingly ridiculous comic relief character aimed to appeal to children was intended to get up to more of the same kind of silly antics in the next two films. Option B is that a seemingly ridiculous comic relief character aimed to appeal to children was going to perform a heel turn at some point and become a despised villain.
And, mind you, these are only two candidate explanations. The trouble with abductive reasoning is that you can confidently arrive at spurious conclusions through sheer lack of imagination.
You raise an interesting point. So if everyone is willing to openly exhibit terror and hostility, why wouldn't they also be willing to explain Jar Jar's sith nature to the Jedi? Also, why does one of the guards shock Jar Jar unnecessarily with the cattle prod? Doesn't that seem like foolishly courting danger if Jar Jar is a sith?
So like my previous reply, I'll give an alternative. Jar Jar was exiled. We don't know Gungan law. Maybe it is a punishable offense to have any interaction with an exiled citizen. Or maybe his crimes were exaggerated or misrepresented for political or PR reasons. In any case, none of the authorities or people who personally know Jar Jar actually seem at all scared of him.
Yeah, I felt inclined to correct this as well. As you say, Ockham's razor is a guiding principle. That said, unnecessary assumptions do make something less likely to be true, at least for any added assumptions that have less than a 100% chance of being true.
I'll make it more concrete. Let's imagine that you're involved in a car accident. Which of the following hypotheses is more likely to be true? A: The other driver is a human. B: The other driver is a man.
The only difference is that B makes an additional assumption, and the likelihood of accuracy drops by about 50%.
EDIT: And just for fun, and in the spirit of this discussion, how about option C: the other driver is Ahmed Best, the actor who voiced Jar Jar Binks? As you observed with the force user hypothesis, it explains the events, and it even does so just as well as options A and B, but I'm sure you'd agree that it's spectacularly unlikely. This is where abductive reasoning can get you. Just because a candidate explanation can fit the facts doesn't make it likely.
Well, I think in pretty much every example that's been quoted for the sith hypothesis, there are more assumptions being made and more inconvenient facts being ignored to rationalize the hypothesis than to reject it in favor of the default explanation provided by the film itself.
almightySapling ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 06:47:39 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This actually bothered me the most when I first read the theory. The Gungans are god damn sentient space frogs! What are frogs known for? Long tongues and um... what's that other thing? Oh right, jumping. Of course he's acrobatic.
Kaibakura ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:26:18 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You use many tactics that you are trying to point out shouldn't be used.
In fact, just about the first thing you do after defining the word "establish" (for reasons I'm not quite sure of) is use the word "establish".
And in general you are reaching and bending things to support your side.
For the record, I think the Jar Jar theory is very cool but I do not think it is correct. It's crazy how many coincidences there are in the theory, I must say, but if there's one thing I'm sure of, it's that if people look for patterns they are going to find them. Even if they don't really exist.
coolcool23 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 06:54:57 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You're right it is confusing. The hypothesis establishes Jar Jar as a sith lord by pointing out continuity errors, common forms of body language and coincidence within a fictional universe.
I establish Jar Jar as nothing more than a mistake and a bumbling sidekick by relying on long-established storytelling principles and character stereotypes in fiction, real life relationships and interactions, what we can see from the behind the scenes videos from the development of the film, and a decade's worth of consensus critical interpretations of the story, characters, script and acting as all noticeably sub-par, especially in Ep. 1.
The difference in in the quality of the evidence: the first is based on circumstance and speculation, the latter is based on factual evidence of what we can observe, what we know, and what is most likely to be true.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:08:59 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ha. Good stuff. The shot from that battle droid would've gotten Quigon right in the face if he hadn't ducked.
DoctorWaluigiTime ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:28:24 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm glad I'm not the only one. Any time I bring this up people try to say it's some infallible secret discovery...
I mean it's cute and all to be sure, but doing things like "requesting JJ alter episodes 7 and onward" is just silly.
AF79 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:49:19 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I kinda like the theory, but in no way does it make me feel that Lucas was infallible - quite the opposite. If you assume that the theory was correct:
Jar-Jar was supposed to be somewhat loveable, which would have made the reveal very powerful. This failed spectacularly, but the plot twist could have still worked and retroactively made Episode 1 better. Unfortunately, George Lucas turned chicken and abandoned his idea. Also not exactly infallible IMO.
2T2T ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:57:07 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No, you're retarded
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:54:37 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Regarding Jar Jar's force-influenced acrobatics and combat, I'd like to point out that Star Wars does these kinds of subtle nods frequently.
VERY SUBTLE AND NON-RUINING SPOILER FOLLOWS FROM FORCE AWAKENS
Like when Han does the no-look blaster shot. I feel that was a nod that even though Han and Leia aren't Jedi, they do have a relationship with the force.
drawingdead0 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:55:44 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I thought the theory was that he was supposed to be revealed as a Sith Lord but he sucked so much in E1 they audibled and made up Count Dooku. Like if Jar Jar did all the things Dooku did and Dooku never existed, that would have been pretty baller right? But Lucas fucked up the awesome twist.
It's like 99% likely that Jar Jar was supposed to be comic relief and just sucked.
coolcool23 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:43:11 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So it would have been Jar Jar who was quickly and inexplicably killed 10 minutes into Episode 3 after being built up as a powerful, legendary sith lord? I can get behind that.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:57:40 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I wouldn't say that you would have to ignore rational/common sense to believe. It really clears things up about why the I, II, and III were so bad. Unless you can offer a better theory.
coolcool23 ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 20:37:51 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
How about the most widely accepted theory that Lucas did most everything he wanted unchallenged in the prequels and as a result the product was worse because he had a lot of bad ideas as to the writing and direction? This also has the most direct evidence, I.E. the poor writing and direction.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:19:41 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No the ideas were honestly fine in the prequels. Up until fan backlash for Jar Jar. It is just that writing and the rest of the execution was poorly done. That's why IV, V, and VI were good because people went to edit them. Ideas were fine. If you think about how Lucas works Jar Jar wasn't supposed to be the comedic character. That role was already filled by both C3PO and R2D2. The video that explained it really should have answered your question. Jar Jar is supposed to be that unexpected element. There were already heavy parallels at the start but then fan backlash caused Lucas to chicken out thus leading to the poor quality of core elements of the series. There is a lot of evidence, and I am sure if none of us fans said anything negative for any of the movies that we would see a movie with a very interesting plot twist, one greater than the revelation of Vader's fatherhood in episode V. I am not going to argue that the writing would be poor that I cannot argue against.
Lord_Vectron ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:00:56 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Eh, I'm with you that it's very unlikely to be created that way intentionally, but in your own example it DOES answer in-universe things like why can he do that jump, while you're breaking the 4th wall and saying writer wrote pandering thing because money.
Again, you're right, but that's not good enough a reason to blow off a good theory that fits. (There are plenty in-universe reasons to choose from)
coolcool23 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:48:38 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Your mistake is that you are trying to analyze this from an in-universe perspective and that fails because of external real-world factors (poor writing/direction/character creation/story telling). The original trilogy demonstratively fails at all of these aspects at multiple points throughout the movies.
From my perspective people who actually believe in the jar jar theory are willfully ignoring the near universally accepted hatred towards the bad development of the prequels in the real world, which much more accurately explains the failures of a poorly developed character like jar jar than a bunch of circumstantial evidence and conjecturing.
Lord_Vectron ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:21:38 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't understand why you have to break the 4th wall and put limitations on it because of the people involved in the development.
Fuck Lucas and fuck Hollywood, the entire purpose of thinking of fun theories is to escape that formulated crap.
StormRider2407 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:10:06 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Thinking about Jar-Jar, I always felt he wasn't always meant to be what he is in episode 1.
For example, the Gunguns look almost terrified when he returns to the city. Almost like he's done evil mastermind, but clearly he isn't. So why are they so scared of him? Because he tripped and fell in to Boss Nas? Doesn't add up to me.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:35:34 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
But dat head tracking dooo!
Xandari11 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:50:24 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
With all the demand for star wars toys being collected by grown ass men after the original trilogy, can you blame him?
Idoontkno ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:25:11 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
you lost me at factually proven
Triquetra4715 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 22:02:22 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The theory makes some sense from within canon, but it's very obvious in reality the George Lucas is just a fucking knob.
zx7 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 23:02:27 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So is gravity.
Prosthemadera ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 00:29:15 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I would use the word hypothesis.
coolcool23 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:35:58 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You're right. changed.
GoliathTCB ยท 115 points ยท Posted at 18:09:02 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The most elaborate, and by far the most stupid. I love the Darth Binks theory, it gives that mutant rabbit a reason for it's existence outside of George Lucas' skewed vision of what will hold a child's attention.
NFLinPDX ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 20:14:23 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You know Lucas was right, though? You ask children who watched episode 1 what their favorite character is and Jar Jar is an overwhelming majority.
BabyPuncher5000 ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 23:09:32 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
10 year old me loved Jar Jar. 27 year old me wishes 10 year old me wasn't such a butthead.
icallshenannigans ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 04:34:25 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Kids love him. It's just bitter, aging geeks who hate him.
Just think back to the kids who saw the original trilogy.
There was a character in those movies that kids loved, he also had silly ears and a specific yet easily imitated diction that kids would constantly use when playing or teasing each other, think hard - you'll remember.
Maybe adults of the era were just less cynical and full of shit so they joined in the fun, maybe they also cringed and got annoyed.
My vote goes for the former. I guess it was a simpler time.
7spooky ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 22:11:00 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Darth darth binks*
FTFY
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 00:54:38 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I too love it for the same reasons. It would have been a good twist to an otherwise predictable and childish plot.
BallardLockHemlock ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 18:34:53 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I like you already.
Qix213 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 19:27:33 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
There is a ton of circumstantial evidence to support it. But unfortunately, nothing real.
Usually by twisting the bad filmmaking into Jar-Jar using Dark Side powers off screen, or under the radar. That post was really well researched too, so that helped a lot.
Things like his speech to the assembled congress involve a lot of hand waving, ie Jedi Mind Trick on the entire congress. Since it's hard to believe anyone in congress would take him seriously.
Or scenes with extremely bad framing, and Jar-Jar near instantly moves (just off screen) from the left side of the frame to the right. ie force leap. Coincidentally, one of the droids in the scene shoots and tracks Jar Jar's presumed force leap.
TheRipsawHiatus ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 21:04:24 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I thought it was some cockamamie fan theory too. But I finally cracked and read the post. Now I'm all about that sweet Jar-Jar kool-aid.
Kaneshadow ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:12:17 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
TLDR: Every continuity error and moment of dumb luck BS involving JarJar is actually the machinations of the greatest Sith lord of all.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:26:55 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Elaborate? Yes. Stupid? No.
Horse625 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 20:25:30 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
An elaborate, awesome one.
TelegramAHologram ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 21:44:03 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Here's the video that brought me over... to the Dark Side, goddammit:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8yy3q9f84EA
jalapenie-yo ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:06:19 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's not stupid man...
AlmightyRuler ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:40:47 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Oh my god yes. There have always been fan theories around Star Wars, but rarely where they this ludicrous.
Seriously guys, if you have to make up something this elaborate to make a thoroughly despicable character slightly mediocre, just stop.
jambooza64 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:04:36 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This is everyones reaction before reading up on it. It actually makes sense
TheKillersVanilla ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:25:16 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, but worth taking a minute and exploring. There's just enough evidence that I actually find it somewhat convincing.
jambooza64 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:04:10 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I definitely believe it, but george lucas pussied out in the second and third movies because of the hate
DerpyPotater ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:18:51 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No. It's a Starwars VII spoiler.
The_Yar ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:09:23 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, an elaborate, stupid one. It's all fun until too many circle-jerkers start swearing that it must be true and now the prequels are great because of it.
๐๏ธ proggybreaks ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:17:31 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's hard to believe some people are so desperate to find a saving grace in those films they would construct an elaborate conspiracy theory and...wait, no, no, it's not surprising. It's just sad.
The_Yar ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:46:35 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'll never forget the elaborate lengths fans went to in order to argue that The Matrix Reloaded was actually great (or "the greatest movie ever" in some cases).
BlueberryPhi ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:36:31 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That fan theory is now #2 most upvoted thread in reddit, I recommend you at least give it a look.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:56:40 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No its a spoiler for the new movie. Sorry you had to find out this way.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:33:43 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's the only theory dumber than the ASOIAF "Bolt On" theory.
Ragnnohab ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:16:36 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Pants on head retarded fan theory
jambooza64 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:03:15 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
it actually isnt. Theres a shit ton of evidence relating to it. Hell, the actor actually posted on twitter "it feels good when the hidden meaning behind your work is finally discovered" hours, maybe days after the thread
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:36:46 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
How? Have you actually read it? Whether you agree with it or not, it's not "pants on head retarded".
neuromorph ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:51:57 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The actor 0laying Jim said he was a critical character for the prequels. Then the backlash for the character removed from Ep 2 and 3 and replaced with count Dukuo
nater255 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:33:19 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Join us in /r/darthjarjar !!
Honey-Badger ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 02:01:56 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Nothing stupid about it mate
[deleted] ยท 92 points ยท Posted at 19:43:21 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
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fuzzydunloblaw ยท 44 points ยท Posted at 20:04:39 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I just watched the 4-6 and agree that C3PO was a useless whiny bitch, but it didn't detract from the feel of the whole world they created. Then I tried to watch 1-3 and bailed maybe half an hour into 1 because Jar Jar was worse than I remembered and made the whole fucking thing seem embarrassing for an adult to be watching.
[deleted] ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 20:19:06 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
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fuzzydunloblaw ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:20:16 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Alright I'll give it a shot and watch it.
angus_the_red ยท 28 points ยท Posted at 22:37:34 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He's a protocol droid. He translates. He's well out of his element through almost all of the trilogy.
[deleted] ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 23:26:59 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Sure, but R2D2 is basically a repair droid and still does far better. He can't even speak! Compared to his partner, C3PO is remarkably useless.
ItsStevoHooray ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 01:04:39 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's because R2-D2 is a crazy motherfucker.
MajorNoodles ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 00:24:46 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He flew the Millennium Falcon in Shadows of the Empire and Leia basically calls Like and Lando idiots for letting him do that.
Is Shadows of the Empire still canon?
WarKiel ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:29:28 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Nope.
Movies, TV-series and some of the latest books and comics are canon. Everything else is "Legends".
Midwork1 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 06:34:38 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So Holiday Special is still canon?
WarKiel ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 09:45:59 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
By TV-series I mean the latest ones, clone wars and rebels or whatever they were called.
MajorNoodles ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:50:00 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
With all the effort around that release, I was wondering if there was an exception for it.
cosmo7 ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 23:06:49 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
C3PO says he's a protocol droid, but really he's a plot exposition droid. Want to tell the audience that something is dangerous? Have C3PO say what the odds are.
TransgenderPride ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 20:18:04 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
3PO is a bitch even in Episode VII.
[deleted] ยท 23 points ยท Posted at 23:25:58 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I liked that, though. They could have retconned him into being heroic or at least tolerable, but they didn't. Decades later, he's still a useless idiot. True to the source material.
TransgenderPride ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 01:27:09 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Oh, you misunderstand me. I don't want him to be any differently, he's a great character as is. I'm just pointing out the consistency.
Anakin did build him after all.
sidepart ยท 30 points ยท Posted at 21:28:15 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
-sigh- Guess I'll be that guy.
Was he that droid with the red arm? Didn't recognize him.
II_Shwin_II ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:59:54 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He was. He even says his name at some point.
_selfishPersonReborn ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 05:29:25 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
SMALL SPOILERS
I dunno why everyone is bitching about 3PO in TFA... I mean R2 was asleep the whole fucking time except when he conjures up a map of the rest of the Galaxy... BB-8 was a legend though.
TransgenderPride ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 05:51:41 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not bitching about him. I'm calling him a bitch. He's a great character, genuinely funny, and just... weird. But he's a bitch. That's not a bad thing, unless you're Han Solo and he's cockblocking you.
jordanlund ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:56:40 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
C3PO goes from "I'm not very good at telling stories" in episode IV to retelling the entire original trilogy to a bunch of Ewoks in VI.
That's a pretty good arc...
kingfrito_5005 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 19:26:36 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Crazy thing my dad doesn't internet and he totally came up with the exact same idea yesterday.
justfor1t ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:07:31 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Your dath
Damn_Dog_Inappropes ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:31:10 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I just found out about that a few days ago. I am friends with several of the writers for the Star Wars RPG (yes, I live in Seattle), and texted one of the dudes who read the movie scripts before the movies were made. His response? "That theory is crazy bullshit."
shadyciplak ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:00:15 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yes you are
Damn_Dog_Inappropes ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:53:42 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I am what?
DoctorWaluigiTime ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:27:21 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No.
I hate that fan-theory because people act like it's different from the barrels of fan-theories that exist for all other kinds of movies/shows/video games.
It is just as susceptible to any form of thinking about it as any other, but because TFA came out recently and because it's Jar Jar, people act like it's some secret discovery that's remained hidden for over a decade.
I actually hate "Darth Jar-Jar" more than Jar-Jar at this point.
Snipermikie ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:21:26 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I just red memo as me mo. Huh?
ThatOneGuy20 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:30:38 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Luke is kind of a whiney bitch in IV too...
yaavsp ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:33:52 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I believe.
Kimchidiary ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:54:47 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I agree with you fine Sir.
somebunnny ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:02:42 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You may hate Jar Jar's character but I will always maintain that his was the best acting in the prequels.
fluteitup ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:41:19 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Dude no spoilers!!
arin43 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:54:05 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Thought this was a spoiler for a second, was like CRAP.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:50:48 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Jar-Jar Snoke confirmed.
Robtheprofessional ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:43:25 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Speak for yourself.
Imperium_Dragon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:00:54 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No, we still don't.
ErnaForPresident ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:34:16 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You mean shit lord right?
razfrostbeard ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 23:34:41 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The thing for me though is I think I will always dislike Jar-Jar unless it is actually confirmed that he is a Sith lord (Maybe even if they at least say that he originally was supposed to be a Sith lord or someone with ill intentions putting on an act). As it stands now we just have an annoying attempt at a mascot character.
I really want it to be true though. Even if he wasn't meant to be a Sith lord, I think they have enough fan support and subtle character development (like all the evidence of his fighting moves, helping Palpatine, and bringing Anakin closer to the Dark side)
jambooza64 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:16:29 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I really think they meant to reveal him as a sith, but they totally messed up by making him completely unlikeable.
SweetnShibby ยท 534 points ยท Posted at 20:21:01 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hey! Listen!
-Navi, 1998
LaraCroftWithBCups ยท 69 points ยท Posted at 06:32:24 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Honestly I didn't mind Navi so much as that FUCKING OWL THAT REPEATED EVERYTHING HE SAID IF YOU WERE PUSHING THE BUTTON TOO FAST.
donquixote1991 ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 06:41:55 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Would you not like to not dismiss the words that I repeat?
No [ ]
Yes [ ]
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:42:36 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah that owl was way worse.
CamelDwarf ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 05:55:55 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I hear this everyday as it's my notification tone.
12Gage ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 06:49:25 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Mine too! It never fails to grab my attention and actually make me check my phone.
Shadow_XG ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 08:24:54 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yep! wonder how common this is. my grandparents think it's creepy, as do anyone who doesn't know who Navi is
12Gage ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 08:43:03 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I know Navi might have been annoying back in the day playing the game, but having it as text tone always startles me and brings me a feeling of nostalgia. That loud high pitched "HEY!" always makes me check my texts.
Shadow_XG ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 08:50:51 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I love it
ridicalis ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 07:20:32 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I do, but mostly just to annoy others.
Montauket ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 06:44:56 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Fuck off, Navi was cool!
That also used to be my text-message alert on an older phone.
[deleted] ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 04:08:21 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Still better than the sword fairy.
Twad_feu ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 04:56:11 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Oh, absolutely.
Anything is better than Fi. She is a good chunk of the reason why i never finished Skyward sword (and never will).
Navi got flak for a small quip, yet all she does is being actually usefull in the whole game.
But fuck everything about Fi. She was a truly useless, creepy, nagging pest of a "companion" iv'e ever seen in a game.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:30:08 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I quite liked Fi but I have only really played SS.
lord_james ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 06:54:41 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Shoulda left out the by line. Just "HEY! LISTEN!" is enough.
Arriba_amoeba ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 07:46:56 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Fuck
Sine_Wave_ ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 08:22:06 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Or minish cap: SHUT THE FUCK UP ELMO.
tilsitforthenommage ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:43:50 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's my message tone
woqer ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:48:47 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Don't you dare...
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:35:12 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Or, I'm Mr. Meeseeks look at me!!!
WombatBeans ยท 4562 points ยท Posted at 16:54:22 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Umbridge. Everyone hates Professor Umbridge.
Graphitetshirt ยท 2996 points ยท Posted at 17:09:12 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah but that's a different kind of hate, she's an amazingly insidious character
[deleted] ยท 1642 points ยท Posted at 18:53:52 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You love to hate her; you just hate jar jar's character for even being created
[deleted] ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 02:06:53 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Umbridge's presence in the Harry Potter Story makes the Harry Potter story significantly better. Jar Jar's presence in Star Wars makes Star Wars worse.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:55:07 on January 4, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Exactly
Plastonick ยท 73 points ยท Posted at 19:54:38 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Just wait until Darth Jar-Jar. Best character ever.
Skylord_ah ยท 137 points ยท Posted at 20:51:51 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Its fucking darth darth binks
nadajoe ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 04:17:58 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
All hail Darth Darth Binks.
popepeterjames ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:33:47 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm already hearing the English accent addressing him, "Yes, Lord Binks"
TheShaker ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 21:33:23 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Nooooo!!!!!!!
badfan ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 23:47:21 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
-Darth Vader (ROTS)
ExtremelyNormal ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 00:10:56 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And ROTJ ever since the Blu-Ray editions ๐ฉ
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 00:47:44 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I read a fan theory that Snoke is actually Yoda's corpse, being animated by some Dark Side spirit or something.
And that is still more plausible than Darth Jar Jar.
SoloWing1 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 02:08:55 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I love umbridge because I hate her. She is a villain. You are supposed to hate her. She does her role VERY well.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:54:57 on January 4, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, you are supposed to hate her, though; you aren't supposed to hate Jar jar.
SleepyJoel ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 01:38:39 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Stephen King said that Professor Umbridge "is the greatest make-believe villain to come along since Hannibal Lecter"
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:55:21 on January 4, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Definitely
Peleaon ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 23:38:57 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Why do people hate jar jar? I thought he was cute
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:56:23 on January 4, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I like him, but I thought that he was annoying, also he caused the war (look it up)
h00ter7 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 21:39:45 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I remember when the movie came out that some vocal group in the black community was literally offended by Jar-Jar's existence. They said that since his voice actor was black, JJ was a racist caricature.
pondlife78 ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 00:08:28 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
To be fair, it's not just that the voice actor is black, it is that he speaks with a stereotyped "slave" voice e.g Meesa/Yousa. I don't really get the problem though, it's not like Jar Jar as a character really had any parallels with the real world so the voice on its own is just a voice.
The_Fabulous_Duck ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 12:23:29 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's not just the voice though. A large amount of Jar Jar's representation is extremely similar to the sambo representation. If you watch any old racist film the 2 are strikingly similar. But like I said in my other post I just see it as accidental. Nothing done on purpose
The_Fabulous_Duck ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 12:19:12 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I can understand that though. Like /u/pondlife78 said he talks with a stereotypical "sambo" voice that was often used to depict slaves. Matter of fact a large amount of Jar Jar's character draws parallels with the sambo representation. His jaunty walk, how clumsy he is, happy go lucky etc. If you watch old racist films it's crazy how similar they are.
Not saying it was done on purpose. But I can definitely see it. It's not like these other people who just shout "RACIST!" at shit that isn't even remotely offensive. I just see it as accidental.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:57:22 on January 4, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Never heard that but it is believable
Fiocoh ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 21:32:43 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
JJust wait until JJ makes the big reveal that Snoke is Plagueis and JJar JJar was his tool. It's already canon that Snoke was working behind the scenes in the previous trilogies and has a deep interest in the Skywalker family line. JJust you wait.
Berlinia ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 21:26:44 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Idk man reading that sith theory made me think differently
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:57:43 on January 4, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Theory, it's true man
Berlinia ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:57:29 on January 4, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
There was a tweet from the guyvthat voiced him that kind of made it sound plausibke
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:01:43 on January 4, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It is true
Damn_Dog_Inappropes ยท 954 points ยท Posted at 20:28:46 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I actually hate her more than Voldemort. I can't identify with Voldemort and he doesn't seem at all plausible. But we have millions of real world Umbridges.
cjojojo ยท 85 points ยท Posted at 23:27:53 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
She made me punch my book
Dear_Occupant ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 04:23:35 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If you're into the Game of Thrones books, you have probably seen the oft-repeated comment about how certain scenes make you throw your book across the room in anger.
Dolores Umbridge is the only character outside of that series who has also made me literally throw a book I was reading. That scene with the magic pen was just awful. Well fucking done, J. K. Rowling.
Kvothealar ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 03:34:50 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You aren't alone friend.
bibliopunk ยท 96 points ยท Posted at 23:14:16 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think Ralph Fiennes portrayal of Voldemort was one of the few improvements the movies made over the books. He made the character interesting and legitimately scary, instead of the vaguely evil, flat, generic-dark-wizard from the books.
But yeah, Umbridge is the real terror of the HP universe.
GunNNife ยท 46 points ยท Posted at 01:37:07 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's interesting how Umbridge makes flawless transition from a Ministry of Magic hatchet woman to a Voldemort Inquisitor. Like, she gives negative infinity fucks who she is working for or what their purpose is; she only wants power and to inflict pain.
RobinsEggTea ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 03:35:53 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Its because its not us vs them. People all have their own motivations and incentives to explain their actions. They have sets of scruples and goals they are working towards which are either known or unknown to the reader that guide them. In good literature there is more than one or two kinds. Umbridge was not a death eater neither "not a death eater" she felt so self important her goals were above all that shit which was right in front of everyone elses face. This was especially shocking to us and Harry because we're ass deep in death eaters.
GunNNife ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:36:30 on January 4, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Another example of characters whose goals were more complicated...how about the Malfoys? They end up turning on Voldemort, but not because they suddenly discovered an innate desire to do good. Lucius had expected to be an important advisor to Voldemort, possibly even be his second-in-command, but instead got dumped on by no-nose; his wife didn't want their son to die; Draco wasn't sure he wanted to murder people. It was all more complicated than "Death Eater/non Death Eater."
PurpleBullets ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 01:26:05 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Disagree. Book Voldemort is plenty scary IMO
bibliopunk ยท 22 points ยท Posted at 01:50:19 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
I mean, that's a really wonderful illustration, but that's never the vibe I got in the books.
EDIT: also, not to be that guy, but that looks like it's based on the appearance of Voldie and the Death Eaters from the films.
rockets_meowth ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:51:42 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think the movie voldemort was the worst part. He was pretty awful at being any kind of scary or insidious.
sunshinenorcas ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:00:31 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Oh man, Ralph Fiennes as Voldemort is still one of my favorite cinematic villians. He's so unrepentantly evil but also so much fun to watch and charismatic. The fight at the end of 5 and his awakening during Goblet were two of my favorite scenes in the series.
dossier ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:04:07 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's easy for him to be "flat" and evil when he was only in like 2 scenes in the first 3 books. And one scene was just a memory of him horcrux'd into a diary.
Indoorsman ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 02:13:35 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Voldemort is totally plausible. You just have never felt real all consuming hate in your life and tried to create a narrative to focus your negativity into.
[deleted] ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 23:33:01 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He doesn't seem at all plausible? Dozens of genocidal dictators would like to have a word with you.
WilliamofYellow ยท 30 points ยท Posted at 23:56:29 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Even genocidal dictators think that what they're doing is for the greater good. Voldemort knows he's completely evil, and he doesn't care.
SoundOfDrums ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 01:19:42 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
OK, lemme break it down.
Muggles = Jews
Magic Users = Germans
Voldemort = Hitler
zamuy12479 ยท 23 points ยท Posted at 01:59:38 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Umbridge = Hermann Goering Gorring (probably misspelled)
As long as she gets to hurt someone, she's happy.
She's a sadist, but worse, she's a sadist who doesn't know it. She's one of the few characters for whom her thinking she's a good person, and her belief that she really is doing the right thing, only serves to make her that much worse.
kiwirish ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 02:03:16 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Goering is correct as far as general English transliteration is accepted.
In German it is Gรถring, and it is accepted to add an 'e' after umlauts.
LILILILILILLILIL1233 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 02:38:33 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Pure bloods (i.e. Slytherins, some Gryffindor) = 'Blonde hair/Blue eyed Germans
Harry/Dumbledore/Gryffindor/the good wizards = Great Britain
Ron/Weasleys/Wizards with red hair looked down upon for whatever reason = Irish
professor_max_hammer ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 02:49:03 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You forgot trump
LILILILILILLILIL1233 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:36:06 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What? No.
If you can say what Hitler did was because he wanted the 'greater good' for his people ('blonde haired blue eyed' Germans), then you can easily insinuate that Voldemort did what he did because he wanted the 'greater good' for his people, pure-blooded wizards like Malfoy and the rest of Slytherin (and even wizards like Harry/his father, who probably represent Great Britain; Anglo-Saxons yet against Germany).
WilliamofYellow ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:39:38 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
His only real motive was keeping himself alive.
LILILILILILLILIL1233 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 02:44:27 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He wanted to take over the world with himself as emperor, you think thats a far fetched plot point that'd never happen in real life? The quest for power is an unrealistic plot point? Have you heard about guys like Alexander the Great and Genghis Khan who literally only lived to conquer whatever they saw?
Bladelink ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:22:31 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I liked how Voldemort had a decent backstory that explained what made him into the man he was.
Damn_Dog_Inappropes ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:54:51 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Voldemort's sole redeeming quality is that he's a magical prodigy. That's it. In every other way, he's evil, and his evilness makes him use his magical prodigiousness for evil. Nobody is 100% evil. Also, that whole "trying to split my soul to become essentially immortal" is pretty unrealistic.
ScLi432 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:47:35 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think what he means is relevant to the experience of the average person. We hate Umbridge more than Voldemort because we all have at some point known an "Umbridge", where very few people that have read/watched Harry Potter have experienced the evils of a genocidal dictator first hand.
thesymmetrybreaker ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 07:08:51 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Voldemort is the larger-than-life, ultimate evil character the likes of which you have never encountered & can't realistically imagine having to actually deal with in real life. Umbridge is the power-hungry authority-abusing teacher/supervisor/boss we've all had at one time or another but cranked up to 11, we can relate to Harry having to put up with that sort of maliciousness & can easily extrapolate our own experiences to the level described in the book, which makes it so much more real and consequently so much more emotional.
LILILILILILLILIL1233 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:33:31 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Nah Umbridge was a bitch but Voldemort was like this abstract concept, he was the perfect villain.
Padmerton ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:54:36 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm pretty sure he's supposed to be Hitler (with the Muggles being the Jews?). Hitler was plausible, and very real!
archaic-quibble ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:36:48 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe not millions of Voldemorts, but we do have real world examples. He's literally (the magical version of) Hitler.
SRPinPGH ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:02:32 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Think of it this way, Voldemort's charismatic enough to draw people like Umbridge to his side.
saturatedscruffy ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 19:59:30 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Same concept with Joffery.
[deleted] ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 22:17:59 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Kai Winn, Umbridge, Joffery and Grant Ward: all characters people hate because of great writing.
tnick771 ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 20:22:23 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Same hate as King Joffrey in GOT
[deleted] ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 20:53:37 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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EsQuiteMexican ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 00:17:33 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
At the end, all this characters you hate because of how well-written they are. Where as Jar Jar or Scrappy...
thewellis ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 20:54:38 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Iirc GRRM said that he'd wished to have written such a loathsome character in GoT as Umbridge...
lukin187250 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 21:52:38 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think Roose Bolton is a good candidate. Ramsay is just a psycho true evil guy like Voldemort but Roose is cautious and pragmatic, which makes him more real and more easy to hate like Umbridge. The whole reason we hate her is we know there are people like that out there.
thisguybuda ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:26:55 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
In the books she truly despicable, in the movies she's just kind of annoying and a bit of a bitch. Overall a good character to have involved.
mikecws91 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:40:02 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's the difference between a Scrappy and a Hate Sink.
juanes3020 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:24:52 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
she's even more hated than the actual villains thou
makesureimjewish ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:51:14 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
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[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:03:37 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
She's relatable. Everyone who's grown up in the U.S. (and most likely the UK) has had to deal with someone like her.
JohnnyOnslaught ยท -8 points ยท Posted at 23:55:01 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
She's like a SJW in the Harry Potter universe.
[deleted] ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 00:34:10 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Nah, she's literally the opposite.
She loathed other magical races (e.g. calling them "filthy half-breeds" and "creatures of near-human intelligence"), introduced discriminatory legislation making it near-impossible for werewolves to find jobs, and put Hagrid on probation after her inspection for no reason other than him being half-giant.
And that's nothing compared to what she got up to in the last book, actively rounding up and persecuting muggleborns for Voldemort. She wasn't a "social justice warrior", she was a pureblood-supremacist and a fascist.
Goran1693 ยท 881 points ยท Posted at 18:28:05 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You're supposed to hate her though.
[deleted] ยท 372 points ยท Posted at 18:51:32 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
they did that better then any other
Fear_the_Jellyfish ยท 598 points ยท Posted at 18:57:56 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Seriously, Rowling must have some inner demons to be able to write such a realistically despicable character.
that_looks_nifty ยท 333 points ยท Posted at 19:17:31 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think she rolled up all of her most evil teachers from her past, then added some more cartoonishly-evil characteristics to make Professor Umbridge.
I've had teachers and Professors in the past that had traits of Umbridge, but I think I would've ran screaming if any were exactly like her.
blaghart ยท 101 points ยท Posted at 20:30:39 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't think she even needed to do that. Umbridge is what everyone hates in their authority figures: absolute narcissistic authority that insists it's trying to help bobby even as it's fucking bobby's girlfriend on top of his rotting corpse.
[deleted] ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 22:53:49 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What a poetic metaphor
bamsemats ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 11:26:15 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What I think makes Umbridge so untolerable is the fact that she stands above her proportionate role as a teacher - she even takes control of the school (and the law?) at one point, setting herself apart from the rest of the world which follows the 'rules'. Had this character been a part of the real world, she'd have been fired/arrested within a day or two of her nonsense. What grinds our teeth here is that she manipulates the system while being such a c*nt...
learath ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:16:35 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Why do we keep electing them if we "hate" them?
dan986 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 05:25:05 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Because that's the type of person that wants to run for office.
blaghart ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 04:45:08 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
because people are dumb and will elect people they hate as long as it means the other guy who they've heard eats babies/is gay/wants to bring aid to the poor doesn't win
GoodWilliam ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:58:11 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
beautiful
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:27:41 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I have a friend who was taught by her at Leith Academy. Apparently JK Rowling was quite the barrel of cunt.
Jon_Snow_1887 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:54:25 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I must not tell lies. I must not tell lies. I must not tell lies. I must not tell lies.
australianass ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:19:22 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Rowling's true inner demons were represented by the dementors
Cavhind ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:42:33 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
She's a caricature of Ofsted, the U.K. schools inspectorate, and the government education policy at the time of writing
dan0314 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:44:48 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well she lost her mother to MS so maybe she channeled her anger through Umbridge
EUPHORIC_420_JACKDAW ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 21:28:58 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
She was far too over the top. She's not a good character
ElsweyrFondue ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 19:09:24 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Umbridge is certainly the most detestable character from Harry Potter, but I don't think she is the most universally hated character of any franchise, that award goes to Joffrey Baratheon.
GaboKopiBrown ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:42:40 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Imagine if her and Joffrey Baratheon had a kid.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 20:25:08 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, but you're supposed to hate voldemort more. The fact that most people would take voldy over Umbridge is pretty telling.
Goran1693 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 21:22:10 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Good point. I think people tend to hate Umbridge more than any other villain in Harry Potter because she acts like people that you would possibly know in real life. A asshole teacher, stepmother, etc. Her shitty behavior is rather relatable which in turn, makes me hate her more than all the other unrealistic enemies that Harry faces.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:20:17 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The reason people hate Umbridge more is because she's essentially a racist who thinks her views are "correct". People like her actually exist.
admiraljustin ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:34:30 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
On the one hand, you have someone who is willing to go to extreme lengths, including murder, to achieve an escape from his own death. While his methods may be deplorable, his goal is something very base and primal to us as a people, a fear of death.
He knows he's an evil bastard, but he doesn't want to die.
On the other hand, you have a woman who tortures children, is willing to dangerously subvert necessary education because of a supposed conspiracy, openly flaunts authority and proceeds to abuse political ties to gain further authority when any challenge is presented, and delights in the suffering of all around her. All while feeling as though she's a crusader for truth and justice.
She's an evil bitch who is unaware of this fact, while believing that torturing children is for their own good.
One of these 2 things, Tom Riddle is the more sympathetic, relatable character.
horrorshowmalchick ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:27:28 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So?
Potterwatch8 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:48:25 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Does that invalidate his response?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:35:45 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So what? If im supposed to then good job Rowling. Its still a viable comment
Goran1693 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:30:02 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Never said you weren't allowed to. Lol
Aperture_Kubi ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:50:26 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Seems over the top design though. Doesn't Dolores mean pain in some other language? And Umbridge is just painful to say.
It's like making one character a Hitler lookalike (see Gundam Iron Blooded Orphans), you just know your supposed to hate him and you lose potential storytelling because of it.
Mic_Check_One_Two ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:57:43 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The issue is that I hated her more than Voldemort. Voldemort was actually a very flat character. His only real motivation was "I'm evil for the sake of being evil." Umbridge, on the other hand, was evil because she enjoyed inflicting pain. She actively relished it, and found a job which gave her access to hundreds of potential victims to torture. And that's the key difference: Voldemort would just outright kill you, but Umbridge would torture you to the point that you gave up resisting.
venusgrace11 ยท 1125 points ยท Posted at 18:08:04 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I can barely stand to read/watch Order of the Phoenix because I just want to punch her stupid face in. They chose the perfect actress for that part.
Black_Delphinium ยท 82 points ยท Posted at 19:40:40 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I got so disgusted by her that I put the book down for months. Once I picked it back up, the next chapter was where she gets her comeuppance.
rahyveshachr ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 20:25:45 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I read all 7 books at once and that book took me the longest to read because I had to put it down every 3 chapters because it made me so ragey.
frachris87 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 22:50:51 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
When the centaurs grabbed her, I gave a quiet (nearly screamed) "FUCK YEAH, BITCH!"
Nipso ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 21:30:09 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You mean, horse raped?
Fuzzlechan ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 22:02:01 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Centaur raped, but yes. Though that will never actually be confirmed.
Black_Delphinium ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:05:04 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No, the departure of the twins/her fight with McGonagall.
TooBadFucker ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:17:57 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm so glad her comeuppance is delivered in the form of rape by centaurs
Zediac ยท 536 points ยท Posted at 18:24:18 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Same here. That character in the movie is a damn near copy of my ex's mother. She was a controlling, two faced, illogical bitch who did her best to put on the face of a good 50s housewife while being evil as fuck.
The best part about the ex leaving me is that I'm no longer obliged to put up with her psychotic mother anymore.
Dr_Killjoy18 ยท 57 points ยท Posted at 19:49:12 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This is absolutely 100% identical to my most recent relationship. Her mother was the spawn of Satan. I pity the fools that date our ex's next.
tacomalvado ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 05:42:46 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What if they date each other? Will their mothers kill each each other or become evil besties?
Astronopolis ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:30:57 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
We should start a club or something
DirigibleHate ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:12:44 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
For me she's a copy of my 7th grade teacher. Lines, talking to people like they're 4 years old, even that refuge in 'the rules'
Accio_TV_Remote ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:45:04 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What's the worst part?
Zediac ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 00:10:25 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Of her leaving me? She had a great body. I do miss that part.
The_Nugget ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:07:51 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I feel you on that one, bro.
supe3rnova ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:18:21 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My girlfriend's mom is very similar. I cant stand her. Blames every one for any thing, she is never in the wrong, cusses and every one and she cant belive how majority of "friends" ignors her. Oh and she constantly mentions parnetes ex. For ten years, every day at least once. Dont know why he wont leave her
linz_in_the_sky ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 19:48:48 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Umbridge ruined her for me in all future endevors. She was a fairy in Maleficient and I was instantly filled with hate for her character.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:55:23 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
To be fair get character wasn't very likeable in that movie any way.
RQK1996 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 18:56:22 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
the weird part is that Imelda Staunton usually doesn't play jerks
ApologizingCanadian ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 19:54:43 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The fact that she makes you hate her so much shows how good an actress Imelda Staunton is.
vedavis ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 20:24:39 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Very accomplished actress.
Imelda Staunton
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imelda_Staunton
IronMan019 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 21:24:06 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Umbridge and bitchy, brooding Harry make book 5 unbearable for me. Every time I read through the series again, I dread book 5.
Slazman999 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:09:09 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I see her in other movies and I instantly hate her.
TooBadFucker ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:17:11 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Freedom Writers
can confirm
PsychoSemantics ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:48:52 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I saw an older lady cosplaying Umbridge at Oz Comic Con in Adelaide and I had that visceral "oh my god I hate you" reaction as soon as I saw her, even though it wasn't the actress (well duh). She nailed the mannerisms and the everything and it was just way too much!
martythedrunkunicorn ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:16:26 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Oh wow, when was this? One of my aunts cosplayed as her a while back, it might've been here.
PsychoSemantics ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:41:30 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It was at OCC 2014 :) is this her? (I was Daria). I actually greatly admired her cosplay and said so but the reaction I had when I saw her as Umbridge was pure hatred.
http://imgur.com/KuLtbt4
martythedrunkunicorn ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 08:17:23 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Oh, no, wrong person. My aunt went in 2011. But you're right, that costume looks just like Umbridge.
PsychoSemantics ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 08:21:13 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I was struggling not to laugh in the photo because she'd just done the giggle. She was scary perfect and I was in awe :D
Blipblipbloop ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:48:59 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Love the Daria cosplay :)
PsychoSemantics ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:16:42 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Thanks :)
honeycakes ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:53:03 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That feeling of exactly how the director wanted you to feel. Overall great performance to illicit such a response
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:32:32 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I feel bad for the actress, imagine getting typecasted as umbridge...
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:55:20 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I bet she was having the time of her life!
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:33:27 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
She actually felt disgusted after portraying her
dsjunior1388 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:53:33 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
There is simply no way Umbridge is bad enough to erase the amazing, glorious exits of Dumbledore and Fred and George.
venusgrace11 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:20:21 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What do you mean? Fred lives and George dies in the last book.
dsjunior1388 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:52:53 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Exit from Hogwarts. I'm talking about when they interrupt O.W.L.s with a giant fireworks display, leave a swamp filling a corridor and fly off on broomsticks after embarrassing the hell out of Umbridge.
Then they begin running their highly profitable joke shop.
Also you've got that backwards, George survives.
venusgrace11 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:32:13 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I always get them mixed up! I knew I should have done a google check first haha. Oh well. And yes now I see what you mean and that is true.
dramatic_toaster ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:54:40 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I stopped watching the film series after Goblet of Fire because I COULD NOT stand to experience Umbridge again.
PegasaurusBob ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:36:41 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
She was also plays the nurse in Shakespeare In Love. And Arthur Weasley is the stuttering tailor and Voldemort's brother is Shakespeare.
Marysthrow ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:31:41 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's on my TV as I'm writing this, I kind of want to hit her
stuff_rulz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:41:29 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Man... I just got the movie set for Christmas and was excited to watch them sometime soon. This just deflated my excitement. I forgot how horrible she was. :(
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:43:23 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
She was wonderfully evil in that role. Unfortunately, every other movie I see her in, I now feel bitter and angry at her. Sorry, Ms. Staunton.
YoungAdult_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:55:01 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Order of the Phoenix is the Phantom Menace of the Harry Potter series.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:54:31 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Honestly, I'm one of the (apparently few) people who likes Order of the Phoenix best, and it's because we're introduced to Umbridge in that book. I absolutely love the way Rowling details everyone's reactions to her and the havoc she wreaks on the school.
Mitchie-San ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:25:48 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I cringe way more at that damn shrunken head guy on the bus. "It'sa gonna be a bumpy ride!"
belbites ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:40:34 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's actually one of the reasons OotP is my favorite book. She's so fucking evil. That and I love McGonagall going back at her. And peeves
Endulos ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:09:09 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Umbridge made me SO ANGRY I nearly ripped my book in half several times.
No character in any media has made me so angry that I wanted to lash out like Umbridge did.
squidsbybrianwilson ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:54:11 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Imelda Staunton is such an underrated actress.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:30:50 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well she got gang-raped by centaurs, was a just and fair punishment
Evsala ยท 529 points ยท Posted at 18:55:13 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hem hem
DeltaPatch ยท 118 points ยท Posted at 20:42:32 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Would you like a cough drop, Dolores?
redarrow420 ยท 127 points ยท Posted at 20:57:18 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
One of my favorite parts in the book is Umbridge trying to waggle her ministry of magic sahped dick around in McGonagall's class and McGonagall just straight up shutting her down.
contextplz ยท 230 points ยท Posted at 22:03:53 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"I was wondering, professor, whether you received my note telling you of the date and time of your inspection?"
"No shit, bitch. Otherwise, I'd be asking you what the fuck you were doing in my classroom. Now as I was saying, we will be practicing the Vanishing Spell today that you can use on other people's throats so that I won't have to be interrupted by bitches coughing anymore."
I may have mis-remembered that quote.
[deleted] ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 06:30:42 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I could watch a full movie version of this. Tarantino Hogwarts?
[deleted] ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 22:17:52 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't remember the bitch being said
[deleted] ยท 26 points ยท Posted at 00:00:55 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I remember exactly one occurrence of that word in that series.
Scoop_Life ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 04:53:23 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Aunt marge uses it to refer to her dogs.
[deleted] ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 06:55:58 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
(But really she means Harry's mom)
FancyFeller ยท 29 points ยท Posted at 01:22:05 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Mrs. Weasly does NOT fuck around when it comes to her daughter
[deleted] ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 03:15:32 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Love that, kept it real. That last book got more real than any of the others.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 05:25:58 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I prefer this one more, as if Hogwarts was in the American Ghetto.
Deathbyceiling ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:26:22 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Nah that sounds right to me.
lord_james ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:02:37 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Holy fuck I'm dying. The best part is that Umbridge's line. I'm fairly certain that that's exactly what she says.
contextplz ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 07:42:10 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
I'm fairly certain as well, plus or minus a word. I have a great memory for things that aren't too much help.
"Obviously I received it or I would be asking you why you are in my classroom. [something about the spell they're supposed to be practicing]"
"Hem hem."
"I wonder how you expect to get an idea of my usual teaching methods if you continue to interrupt me? I do not permit people to talk when I am talking in my classroom." (again +/- a few words)
redarrow420 ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 20:57:44 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's a shame the Hem hem didn't really translate into film.
Dravarden ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 21:21:20 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
neither did the toad face
TourmalineDreams ยท 73 points ยท Posted at 20:26:21 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Triggered
Bladelink ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 06:24:00 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Seriously. It makes me want to crack my knuckles in anticipation.
[deleted] ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 02:28:40 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
i swear a bot that just spammed that in response to any old random comment would have a million karma by the end of a week
reddit sure does love its uninspired jokes
SoMuchPorn69 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 05:49:48 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Why is it uninspired? Some people care deeply about ridding the world of triggers, which is hilarious.
Clever_mudblood ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 00:43:11 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They sound makes me get irrationally livid. Even typed out, I can hear her say it in my head
Erzsabet ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:57:40 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Made me twitch.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:21:44 on January 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
holy fuck i'm so angry now.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:10:57 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Triggered
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:25:23 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
shudder
Autzen_Solution ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:20:21 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Triggered.
darkbreak ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:07:59 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Fuck off Umbridge. Fat cunt.
PissdickMcArse ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 22:20:06 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
TRIGGERED
Jacosion ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 23:59:27 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Triggered
MisspelledUsrname ยท 295 points ยท Posted at 19:19:41 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I felt more sorry for Voldemort when he died than I did for Umbridge when she was kidnapped by Centaurs.
[deleted] ยท 308 points ยท Posted at 20:03:48 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
You are kind of supposed to feel sorry for him. He is just so clueless by the end....something about having his soul shredded.
Umbridge's soul is intact and evil in that administrative self importance way that a formerly-poor British woman probably understands.
sanctaphrax ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 10:12:03 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Wouldn't be surprised if Umbridge was based off of someone from the welfare bureaucracy.
19southmainco ยท 27 points ยท Posted at 21:35:20 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Kidnapped and raped by centaurs, supposedly.
[deleted] ยท 27 points ยท Posted at 22:21:08 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's based on myths of Centaurs and nothing to do with what JK wrote, though.
ettuaslumiere ยท 31 points ยท Posted at 23:48:46 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Rowling studied Classics in university and put a ton of references to Greek and Roman myths into the books. I think it's likely that she considered the rapey-ness of centaurs when writing a scene where a woman gets carried of by a group of centaurs.
joecb91 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 07:45:23 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I imagine that Hermione would know that too.
homeschooled ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 01:59:55 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not necessarily. In the hospital wing afterwards, she had twigs and leaves in her hair. Meaning she was on the ground. There's quite a few more little tid bits that indicate she may have been raped.
[deleted] ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 06:08:32 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
It won't ever be explicitly confirmed but it was definitely implied. It's literally what centaurs did in myths and that scene was way too in line with that to be a coincidence (as well as "Umbridge was seemingly traumatized but never said what happened"). J.K. Rowling was clearly too familiar with classic fantasy myths to not know about that. She probably put it in there knowing most people won't get the implication, only people educated in classics.
[deleted] ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 01:39:44 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They say that no one deserves to be raped. Umbridge exists to prove otherwise.
ikkewatson ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 08:42:50 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I just hope cenataurs had horse-sized dicks instead of human sized so it was that more awful. She truly deserved that and then some
The_Duck_Fondler ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 00:38:36 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Centaur mythology also suggests that Umbridge was raped by the Centaurs
Also Hermione knew the Centaurs would rape her, being the book-worm she is...
PegasaurusBob ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 23:34:31 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If she had actually been raped by a centaur, it would have killed her, like that guy from Enumclaw, WA.
Number127 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 00:18:36 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Professor Hands.
xX_FlamingoySWAG_Xx ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 00:56:48 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Nah, just choke up on the bat a little when you swing
[deleted] ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 20:46:27 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I felt better when Umbridge got taken away than I did when Cho snogged Harry, that bitch deserved to die then and there
Heroshade ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 23:30:50 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I've never read our watched Harry Potter, but it makes me incredibly happy to know someone gets abducted by fucking centaurs.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:12:07 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'd give it a go. I hate to say it but one of the first things I'ma do with my kids is show them the good old classics.
DJchalupaBatman ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:33:01 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
When I saw the movie in theaters, people were literally cheering when she got kidnapped. Everyone hates that bitch... like, a LOT
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:38:42 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
I was hoping that she was more than just kidnapped by centaurs by that point. Hows the PTSD treating you bitch?!
Edit: *Umbitch ftfy
cheerl231 ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 20:56:27 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
LOL. This is so true! Take my up vote sir
BambooSound ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 07:23:07 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah and she got raped to shit
TransgenderPride ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 20:14:55 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
She's amazingly despicable. I love the one part in the book where she goes to investigate Snape and Harry can't decide which one he wants to triumph over the other, because he hates them both so much.
that_looks_nifty ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 19:15:54 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
She's a great villain because she's fun and easy to hate. Nothing redeeming about her, just Grade A solid evil bitch. That is a mark of a very good villain (although I do love the sympathetic villains as well).
PM_ME_UR_BATMANS ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 21:33:56 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I know I'm not alone, but I wanted her to die more than Voldemort
CatDeeleysLeftNipple ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 19:54:23 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Everyone?
Pretty sure the centaurs loved her. They loved her long time.
jorgomli ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:43:42 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
We'd all like to think so.
Cogswobble ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 19:17:36 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't think this really counts...with Jar Jar, you hate that the character exists, because he's such a terrible character.
Umbridge is a terrific character, because you're supposed to hate the character, and you really, really do.
WombatBeans ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:42:34 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
OP didn't qualify the question with something like a universally hated character that you weren't supposed to hate. Just universally hated so it counts.
TheInvaderZim ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:42:02 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I've never understood the motivation for this character. Her entire purpose in life seems to be compound the problems Harry is already having at the time. It's never justified or given context, she just appears one year, and because she works for the Ministry, she's the devil.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 23:48:24 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
She's supposed to be undermining dumbledore, and pushing the ministries agenda onto the next generation of wizards.
TheInvaderZim ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:53:07 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Still. She's universally hated and totally conscious of it. She even promotes it. why? Iunno.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:28:43 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Fear. She wants people to be scared of her, and she does have supporters in the student population, the slytherins totally support her.
Crevek ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:50:22 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
She was too much of a cartoon bad guy for me to hate.
DuckMeHarder ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:03:07 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The pinkest evil of all.
sc1003 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:37:36 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Imelda Staunton (the actress who played her) is basically ruined to me. She is in the movie Maleficient and I wanted to punch her as soon as I saw her on-screen because she did way too good of a job as Umbridge. Ugh, I despised her
jorgomli ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:46:03 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
YES. It's hard for me to watch any movie she is in because of her playing Umbridge.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 06:57:55 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Have you seen Vera Drake? She's so darn sweet in it that I find it to be the perfect Umbridge antidote. I need to watch that movie again.
razzark666 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 19:14:34 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Though you are supposed to hate her, so JK did a good job.
2JMAN89 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:14:00 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I was gonna say Harry, but Uxbridge is terrible too
Noggin-a-Floggin ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:44:38 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Eh, that's more "love to hate" than outright hate. She was a very good character and I wish I could write a villain that well.
jorgomli ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:45:34 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I feel it would be easy to write a 100% evil character. Zero redeeming qualities and no sappy backstory should make it easy.
the_con ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:14:23 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Great heel fundamentals
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:14:30 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Work a body part and stick to it. And why don't nobody sell no more?
pixburgher66 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:31:29 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I still recall the sinking feeling in my stomach when reading DH and Mundungus says that "looked like a toad" line. I stopped reading for a few minutes as I came to terms with having to deal with her again.
randdomusername ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:32:20 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
But it's a good hate. You aren't supposed to like her, you're supposed to like jar jar
WombatBeans ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:21:53 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I would argue that no character is made that annoying with the intent being to like them. No Jar Jar is nails on a chalkboard personified.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:59:30 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
One of the best villains ever!
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:07:59 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't even like Harry Potter and I hate that bitch.
ScaryBilbo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:34:51 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
tee hee
Sudden_Herpes ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:45:26 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah but you're supposed to hate her
hypnobear1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:30:47 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
back before book 6 and 7, my 12 year old self wouldve killed her if possible.
rameninside ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:38:14 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
But she's supposed to be hated.
notbobby125 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:05:36 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I see fanfiction justifying the actions of the Death Eaters (they are just trying to preserve
white superiorityWizard culture!), the werewolves (oh I would just love to bemauled to deathbitten and become wild), and even Voldemort (he isn't really a genocidial maniac, he just needs my love!), but I have NEVER seen any time when Umbridge has ever been shown to be a good character.I have seen everyone from Ron to Dumbledore be shown to be all but literally Satan, I have seen stories where Harry gets twelve wives because he secretly has the powers of fairies/elves/vampire/
giant penis/Jesus, I have even seen a story where a grown up Ginny goes back in time to her 12 year old body and accidentally causes some completely random muggle born to gain super powers and summon Raven from Teen Titans by complete accident. Yet I have NEVER seen ANYONE show Umbridge as a good character.[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:34:33 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
....as I child she made me realize that I was probably capable of murder under certain circumstances. She also made me question authority and want to fight against people like her.
Misanthrope616 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:38:23 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
At Least she eventually gets gang raped by centaurs
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:40:15 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Am I the only one who hates Lockhart as much as (if not more than) Umbridge?
Twad_feu ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:37:17 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hate the character, love the actress's job with it.
SuperSaiyanNoob ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:39:04 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Actually watching Order of the Phoenix right now. She's the absolutely worst.
NocturnalTaco ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:16:48 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I can hardly get through Order of the Phoenix because of her.
WombatBeans ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:05:23 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I have this problem with the book especially. My blood pressure can't take it.
joecb91 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:47:05 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I hated her, but more in a way that I wanted to see her fail. Not like Jar Jar where I wanted to fast forward through any scene with him in Episode 1.
razzark666 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:14:38 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Though you are supposed to hate her, so JK did a good job.
david531990 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:00:39 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
But that was the point tho, she was supposed to be hated, much as joffrey
DrAgonit3 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 23:45:45 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
She's the reason the word cunt exists.
The_Great_Northwood ยท 1502 points ยท Posted at 16:39:47 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Wesley Crusher from TNG
[deleted] ยท 753 points ยท Posted at 17:33:29 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
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PhoenixFox ยท 537 points ยท Posted at 18:49:24 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Never mind the episode where he finds out his girlfriend is a shapeshifter, and instead of doing what any teenage guy would do and being all over the idea, he's pissed off...
StormRider2407 ยท 603 points ยท Posted at 20:12:22 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"Can you shapeshift in to my father? Cause I need a proper father figure in my life so I can stop being an insufferable cunt."
[deleted] ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 02:31:20 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"Good...now shapeshift into my mother...for reasons..."
doyoulikemenow ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 00:40:22 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I got your father figure riiiight here...
DropBearHug ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 05:21:32 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
...I want the stands packed with every man that remotely resembles my father.
Go son, go! !
nathan_295 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:37:13 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
But his father was already the ship's Captain.
palindromic ยท 270 points ยท Posted at 20:11:58 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
OKAY NOW, BE OPRAH.. NO WAIT, GUINAN.. SUCK MY DICK BITCH, OKAY WAIT NOW BE CAPTAIN PICARD
eatmynasty ยท 29 points ยท Posted at 22:04:56 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Dude, Riker would give way better blow jobs than Picard.
el_throwaway_returns ยท 46 points ยท Posted at 22:26:10 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't buy that for a second.
Mergan1989 ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 00:20:29 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I WANT TO FEEL THE BEARD
councilface ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 01:39:32 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Make it so number one
thegreenhat ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 23:56:39 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
OKAY NOW SPIN THAT CHAIR AROUND
bubongo ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 07:20:42 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Shut up Wesley!
lord_james ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 07:04:40 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
... Dude. Did you mean Whoopi? Oprah wasn't on that show.
JimHadar ยท 137 points ยท Posted at 20:28:20 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
By the time a pubescent boy was finished with the Holodeck he's probably fucked every model who ever lived. Shapeshifters are nothing compared to that.
gerusz ยท 66 points ยท Posted at 21:20:38 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Holodecks are a scarce resource, hence holodeck time is likely limited. I would still take a shapeshifting GF over the holodeck anytime.
Mapletail ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 22:01:53 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Actually, there would have been a lot of holodeck time available.
gerusz ยท 33 points ยท Posted at 22:05:22 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
8 hours per person per month is not "a lot". And while this time can obviously be pooled for multiplayer simulations, the simulation we're describing... isn't.
[deleted] ยท 26 points ยท Posted at 23:07:10 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You can obviously be in different rooms so just find some like minded people and make a holobrothel.
Would be very awkward if the power went out though.
Mapletail ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 22:10:59 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I bet commander Riker played a lot of multiplayer ( อกยฐ อส อกยฐ)
OrangeJuliusPage ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 04:04:36 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I wonder how much time Reg Barclay was spending in there?
brickmack ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 23:56:07 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Why not? You wouldn't get a couple bros and have simulated orgies?
Would this be called an orgy or a circlejerk?
nater255 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:38:30 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Or... Is it :)
psycho_admin ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 02:17:00 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And we found the guy who doesn't swing.
FuncRandm ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 01:13:19 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not sure that I'd want to use the holodeck after Wesley's "time" in there. I imagine that the holodeck being switched off in that case would be accompanied by too many "splats" for my liking.
Mapletail ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 02:23:18 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah I really hope the holodeck was self cleaning.
fallenrider100 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:34:54 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I seem to recall that organic matter (eg replicated food made in the simulation) was recycled back into the system. So any excess 'organic matter' Wesley left around would also get recycled back into the replicator.
Think on that next time Picard is drinking his Earl Grey, hot.
FuncRandm ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:21:23 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You'd hope, but I can see Jean Luc Picard saying, "You use it young sir, you clean it! Make it so!"
JimHadar ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:35:47 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Even if their 'default' look was Odo? :)
Forever_Awkward ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 00:46:11 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What was up with that, anyway? The whole point of Odo's appearance was that he failed to copy his mentor's appearance and that form became a novelty. Then they just make all the shapeshifters look like Odo.
Chaldera ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:35:00 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My guess was that the Founders were trying to make Odo more at ease with his people.
sheephound ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 21:47:21 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Without question.
dumbledorethegrey ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 22:34:19 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That didn't scare off Kira.
lippert ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:57:08 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He's a teenage boy; how much time would he really need?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:27:51 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
But couldn't your sessions be recorded?
dxroland ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 03:22:30 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Old but gold: http://www.somethingawful.com/news/blue-stripe-life-4/
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 07:51:21 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I laughed so hard at this. Thanks for posting!
Poncyhair ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 01:19:22 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Computer, delete holodeck history.
SnapeWho ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 12:30:04 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Relevant username?
JimHadar ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:25:29 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Good spot.
SnapeWho ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:26:38 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Clever. I love it.
ghostdate ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:48:26 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I've only watched a handful of episodes of Star Trek, so I'm kind of confused about the holodeck. Are things in it real while they appear in there, or is it just a holographic simulation? If it's just a hologram, what happens when you have sex with a hologram? Does your semen just splooge onto the floor since there's nothing there? Wouldn't the entire holodeck just be coated in loads if that's the case?
JimHadar ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:13:06 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They're not really consistent with the holodeck on the shows. Sometimes they have to turn up dressed in whatever costume and equipment they need, other times the holodeck can create guns and stuff but not clothes, other times it can do everything.
TO answer your question tho, when they turn the holodeck off it always returns to a clean black grid so I assume it cleans up for you!
docfunbags ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 03:00:44 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah. I'd be like "Can you shape change that pussy a little tighter sweetie?"
SirSpaffsalot ยท 91 points ยท Posted at 18:41:53 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Season 1 wasn't good at all and season 2 barely makes the grade for good TV. It's in Season 3 that the show started to become excellent and by then Yar had been long gone and Wesley was starting to be used less frequently. If I ever decide to start watching the show again, I usually skip season one completely.
SG_Dave ยท 33 points ยท Posted at 20:06:01 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Is season three where Riker grows his goatee? I know that the quality of TNG is directly proportional to the majesty of his facial hair.
Hotblack_Desiato_ ยท 24 points ยท Posted at 20:32:15 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
There's a term for that.
Michamus ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 22:13:08 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Sees TVtropes link
Oh fuck you motherfucker, I'm not going back there again!
DrCosmoMcKinley ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:00:48 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'll just curse you now because I don't think I'll make it back once I read this.
SirSpaffsalot ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 20:44:23 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I believe season 2 episode 1 'The Child' was the first appearance of the beard. However season 2 also replaced Beverly Crusher with Katherine Pulaski which didn't go down well with fans until season 3 when Beverly Crusher was brought back.
captainlag ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 23:26:27 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Same with Sisko in ds9
The_Great_Northwood ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 10:31:51 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Sisko didn't grow a beard until Season 4, but the quality of the show did increase when he did.
JASSM-ER ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:32:27 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Season 2
Bennykill709 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:46:39 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That was in the first ep of season 2.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:12:20 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
In the later seasons you know the plot is going to be about Riker losing his mind as soon as his hair gel stops holding.
Jedi4Hire ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 21:56:51 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Watch the documentary Chaos on the Bridge. Its on Netflix and is about all the production problems TNG experienced before and during its early two seasons. Its interesting, especially since the poor seasons were due mostly to Gene Roddenberry's ideas on what the series should be.
AdmiralAntilles ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 02:27:36 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
God I mean no conflict at all between characters? That just made for mary sues everywhere and boring ass tv. Conflict is within our very anature and it makes for great tv.
greevous00 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:41:44 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, Roddenberry sounds like kind of a loonie after watching that documentary -- like a "pre-Dianetics" L. Ron Hubbard or something.
Aperture_Kubi ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 04:53:02 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I knew it, I mean I anyways thought post Roddenberry Trek was the best Trek, I've never really had it validated that much though.
Hotblack_Desiato_ ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 20:33:18 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I thought season 1 was kinda fun simply because they were trying to stay faithful to TOS in a number of ways (before they realized how dumb that was), like pacing and music and all that. Just enjoy how corny it is.
0_o ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:13:12 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Season 2 was my favorite :(
chisleu ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:26:43 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I loved that show in my childhood, but when I went back to try to watch it, season 1 killed it for me. I couldn't keep watching because season 1 was so bad.
joelschlosberg ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 21:21:52 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What's stopping you from skipping to season 3?
chisleu ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 23:38:45 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Jesus
joelschlosberg ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:21:52 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I dunno, that fellow seems kind of into belated second chances.
dodeca_negative ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:09:22 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Same here. I hadn't seen it in years and years, started with season 1 episode 1, and my mouth was just hanging open. It was soo bad.
iglidante ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:43:39 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Worf even looks bad in the first season.
TwoHands ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 20:16:17 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
that's because it straight up WAS an anti-drug PSA.
A lot of TNG was basically a series of morality plays. And for the most part, they were good. The drawback is that sometimes they had to be a little hamfisted with their lesson explanation.
Oh yeah, and Liutenanant-rapegang-Yar. Every time they mention it because they want to remind people that she's an amazing person who recovered from a fucked-up childhood and is doing all these wonderful selfless things.
DrSmoke ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:52:06 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Has nothing to do with TNG though. the US government pays TV shows to do episodes like that.
0_o ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 20:12:38 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
I prefer naive Wesley Crusher over the narcissistic "let's go live with the Indians" Wesley.
Cole-Spudmoney ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 21:59:16 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I dunno, I have to give them credit on acknowledging that people take drugs because they actually enjoy the effects. In basically everything else I ever heard about drugs when I was a kid, the attitude was always "drugs are bad, full stop, and the only reason people take them is because they're stupid or they were bullied into it or something".
AgeOfWomen ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:34:56 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
One of the funniest combination of shut up Wesley I have ever seen
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d3Y6SUh8saQ
rockidol ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 19:25:53 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
That is the stupidest question I have ever heard.
Yeah why wouldn't you want to be in a better mood? Have you seriously not heard about depression, boredom, anger, anything? How about music? You've never put on good music to change the way you're feeling, you never rocked out, or relaxed to some cool jazz or anything? WTF!
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 22:27:54 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well, social anxiety is an extremely strange concept to people at Starfleet (to the point that even Captain Picard makes fun of the socially anxious guy, and the whole bridge crew laugh at him), so it wouldn't surprise me if this was a strange concept for a kid at the time.
rockidol ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:31:40 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I still don't buy it. He's human right (I'm honestly asking because I don't know star trek tng).
Well even as a baby he must've done stuff to amuse himself. Sought some form of pleasure when he was bored. Maybe he got upset at one point because his mom wouldn't give him ice cream or something, so he vented his anger at a pillow or did something else to take his mind off it.
This just seems like something a robot would ask.
DrSmoke ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:54:25 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You don't get it because you dont' know Star Trek. Its the year 2300-something, mankind is at peace, money is gone, people work for fun, war is over, almost all disease is gone, etc...
People wouldn't be depressed anymore, that is cured.
ManWhoKilledHitler ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:04:25 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's also weirdly lacking in any real humanity. No part of the ship has been properly personalised, crew quarters look like nobody lives there, desire is something to be feared.
Roddenberry had some strange issues going on.
DrSmoke ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:52:29 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Its the Federation dude. Drug abuse would be gone by 2300s
Have you not seen Star Trek? Most of that is gone, everyone is happy.
as208 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:36:45 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Dude! Spoilers!
PegasaurusBob ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:05:56 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Drugs are bad PSA aside, I admired that episode for how it differed from the original series. Had the TOS Enterprise encountered these people, McCoy would have just cured their addiction without asking for permission in the first 10 minutes. Spock would have complained about the Prime Directive, and Kirk would have told him to shut up.
Nixnilnihil ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:55:57 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
SPOILERS
FUCKIN ASSHOLE
4rch ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 22:22:21 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Shut up Wesley
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:58:58 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I laughed pretty hard when that episode became an hour long PSA.
meme_not_found ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:13:48 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think we found the guy who killed Yar
CiaranBAC ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:37:42 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
God damn. That piece of information just blew my mind. This show is a 90's staple for me. Can't believe it was Reagan era.
DrSmoke ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:50:45 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That was appropriate though. Drug Use would be extinct in The Federation.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:14:22 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Except it wasn't. Every single series has depicted alcohol as still being widely available and very much used for recreational effects. It's also occasionally been suggested that other narcotics were around too.
kernunnos77 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:41:49 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
At least that era brought us the very best episode of Dinosaurs.
The_Yar ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:13:09 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I hated Yar but she was good in Pet Sematary.
OrangeJuliusPage ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:02:06 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
When they brought her back in Yesterday's Enterprise and Denise Crosby again as Tasha's haif-Romulan daughter, it was pretty sweet, though.
JonBecker123 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:06:20 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Wesley annoyed me, but I hated Yar. Especially since her goodbye had all these super planned out, character-specific goodbyes who also happened to be the only people present.
Nacksche ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:18:44 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
So? That's a legitimate question and one reason why some people don't even like alcohol, let alone hard drugs. TNG did this with a lot of moral issues. I always found those episodes most interesting, 24th century post-war, post-scarcity society vs. ours.
Yuri_Petrov ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:12:03 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I literally just watched that episode for the first time three hours ago. I've never run into one of those awkwardly shoehorned in anti-drug things so it took me a second of wondering why his dialogue was suddenly worse than usual to realize what what was going on.
innabhagavadgitababy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:16:08 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Do you happen to remember what episode this was?
Megmca ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:24:55 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Because I'm an adult damn it. And I had a really long day solving problems for an endless line of cunts without so much as a thank you and GIVE ME SOME GODDAMN DRUGS!
nullhypo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:55:33 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
There's one episode where Wesley falls in love with a shape shifter and LeVar Burton has to explain the birds and the bees to him. But the kid was like 16 already and he was acting like it was his first boner. It was terrible.
BiggerJ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:22:46 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'd be surprised and, frankly, impressed if no nerd has ever punched a Star Trek writer.
Desembler ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:34:30 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You ate forgetting that Wesley makes himself insufferable in episode 1, where he takes command of the enterprise and his first act it double dessert rations or something insufferably childish.
Mark_Zajac ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:42:13 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The problem with marijuana is that it changes how people think (in addition to how they feel). Conversing with a stoned person is really, really boring. Their capacity for logic is severely diminished. Get back to me when you have full command of your faculties.
DrSmoke ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:55:02 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Bullshit, you don't know what the fuck you're talking about.
Mark_Zajac ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:44:47 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I have spoken to smart people who were and were not stoned. They were much less interesting when stoned.
trex707 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:53:37 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The guy you are responding to is a neckbeard virgin who has never smoked weed before. Hes a total jackass who is talking down to everyone in this thread. Let him be an ignorant douche. He thinks he is some enlightened intellectual because he has never done a drug before. He said hes never been on a date in his life, so he probably has low self-esteem. It would explain why he is talking down to everyone in this thread with his thesaurus. His issue is with weed smokers and the chads getting rejected by m'lady. Hes talking shit about people who get rejected by a girl who friendzoned him and hes never even been on a date before. The dude is almost fascinating in a way. How do these people on Reddit still exist?
Mark_Zajac ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 03:40:17 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I have had conversations with people who were stoned. It was boring. They could not think clearly.
4rch ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:23:11 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Dude what? A fictional character said that, I'm not Wesley Crusher or Wil Wheaton
Mark_Zajac ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 00:39:45 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I beg your pardon. I did not mean "you" personally (definition 1, below). I meant "you" as a generic unspecified person (definition 2, below). I am so sorry for any confusion.
you |yoอo| pronoun [ second person singular or pl. ]
1 used to refer to the person or people that the speaker is addressing: are you listening? | I love you.
used to refer to the person being addressed together with other people regarded in the same class: you Australians.
used in exclamations to address one or more people: you fools | hey, you!
2 used to refer to any person in general: after a while, you get used to it.
DrSmoke ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 00:55:17 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Fuck off idiot. You're a huge douche.
Mark_Zajac ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:38:12 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
On what basis do you make this claim?
ttubehtnitahwtahw1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:20:26 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Notice how after Gene started declining inhealth and having less to do with tng, it got better?
DrSmoke ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 00:55:54 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No it didn't. DS9 isn't even proper Trek.
GreggoryElfwind ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:40:49 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
your issue with wesley crusher was his momentary involvement in an undecorated statement about drug use as told from fictional people 300 years from now?
ajh6288 ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 17:38:27 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Fuckin Wesley....
Hobbs54 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:54:25 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He really wanted to be a dread pirate.
Cockwombles ยท 277 points ยท Posted at 18:40:22 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I actually found his mom 10x more sanctimonious and annoying than him. He was just the victim of a pushy mother.
Imagine getting to fly a starship. And then your mother turns up and tells you off.
[deleted] ยท 41 points ยท Posted at 00:16:22 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Nope, she is a flawless ginger goddess. The entire show should have been Patrick Stewart's bald head going down on her muff.
aconitine- ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 02:12:45 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I never realized that I wanted to see this, till just now!
z500 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:20:24 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ehhh going to disagree with you there.
PapaSmurphy ยท 80 points ยท Posted at 19:32:27 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I always wondered if I felt that way because Wesley was my age when TNG was on the air.
Rewatched it years later and still felt that Beverly Crusher was a bit of a bitch. Seems like she used the fact that her kid was a genius as an excuse to stop being a mom when he was like 10. She treated him more like an annoying roommate that was getting in the way of her boning the captain.
fireflash38 ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 02:24:58 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So kinda of like a real mom.
shifty_coder ยท 29 points ยท Posted at 20:33:00 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, but Gates McFadden was fucking hot.
Scarbane ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 21:49:29 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Still looks good for her age.
Jah_Ith_Ber ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 00:47:03 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
10 years ago it was counselor Troi, but when I watch now I would rather jump the doctor.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 05:40:39 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
whynotboth.gif
Put-A-Bird-On-It ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:07:28 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
she still is
cdwillis ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 21:53:49 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
But Dr Crusher is hot.
teamrudek ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 19:27:24 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The only doctor more annoying than his mom was the one with the short hair, Katherine Pulasky.
jackedadobe ยท 26 points ยท Posted at 19:43:57 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And the only reason they brought Pulasky in was because Gates McFadden (Dr. Crusher) stood up to the writers and advocated strongly for her vision for her character which grinded some gears and she was fired after the first season. With fan support she was brought back for season three and the writers that didn't like her were let go.
Jah_Ith_Ber ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 00:43:46 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm shocked a fan turnout for Dr. Crusher could have been big enough to get a decision like that undone.
I thought Pulaski was fine, she fulfilled the ignorant older woman role fine. Her relationship with Data developed through action very well (and not expository dialog), particularly compared to the rest of Trek character arcs.
Chaldera ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 12:37:40 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Pulaski was like McCoy, but she didn't crack as many jokes as him and never got as close to her captain. Plus, with Data not being able to crack jokes and insults back at her like Spock did, it just seems more like bullying and dickishness on her part.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:33:29 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Don't underestimate the power of being a redhead in those times.
teamrudek ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 20:11:00 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hmm, I didn't know that. Well whatever the reason Gates McFadden was infinitely better.
chocoboat ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 00:00:55 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I really enjoyed Pulaski. TNG benefitted from having a character who isn't perfect, and had different viewpoints (like treating Data no differently than how everyone treats the main computer).
Mapletail ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 00:41:34 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think Pulaski would have been more popular if she had been there from the beginning of the series. Her becoming acclimated to Data could have been an interesting character growth arc, and I bet a lot of people weren't entirely comfortable with the idea of a mechanical human when TNG first aired.
FizzyDragon ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 04:16:12 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I read somewhere that she was sort of intended to be a Bones to Data's Spock, but the execution of the role obviously couldn't replicate that kind of relationship. I mean Bones was kinda mystified by Spock and exasperated a lot, but she just seemed mean to Data. I think some curiosity under her hardcore skepticism would've helped.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 06:01:33 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Totally agree. I didn't hate Pulaski but I just liked Dr. Crusher more. Gates McFadden had better chemistry with the cast, her character still had that skeptical / counterpoint aspect without being cantankerous.
Maybe it was the writing and the intent to pigeonhole Pulaski into that "Bones' role that was a mistake. I wonder if she had been written differently if things would have worked out better for the character. It seems that, unlike Bones, her character served more as a point of friction for the rest of the crew rather than as a moral sounding board.
Jah_Ith_Ber ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 00:46:00 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And on the other end of the spectrum, I would have liked to see more of Ensign Gomez being polite to the replicators.
Chaldera ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:39:51 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well, excluding the fact that she was the triple-breasted hooker in Total Recall, in the books she becomes this famous starship captain or something. From what little I remember, she's kickass in them too
[deleted] ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 21:03:34 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
She had some weird grudge against Data too which was never explained. Total cunt
TheMountebank ยท 25 points ยท Posted at 21:56:46 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It was because they were trying to recapture the Spock/McCoy dynamic with Data & Pulaski. But whereas Spock & McCoy would banter back & forth, Data doesn't really have it in him to insult a fellow crewmember so the banter was basically Pulaski continually insulting and belittling Data. Unsurprisingly she came off as a bully.
chocoboat ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 00:02:35 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No grudge, she just saw him as a piece of technology that speaks. Like the main computer but with a body. It didn't occur to her to treat him as a person instead of a tool.
OrangeJuliusPage ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:09:04 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Diana Muldaur was smoking hot in the couple episodes of TOS she was in, though.
teamrudek ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:22:35 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Sorry, I don't see it at all.
sandm000 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 22:20:36 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Nope. Pulaski was an insufferable sanctimonious cunt. I wept when Beverly came back.
nater255 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:39:35 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Somewhere there's this blog of the enterprise maintenance tech and he talks about her like coming by and trying to go cougar on him. Wish I could find it.
5171 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:54:19 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well, that's impossible to imagine anyway, being that the hypothetical course of events that led Wesley to his job as the Helmsman and eventual promotion to officership would never have occurred in more realistic circumstances. If any sort of of realism at all were applied to the Enterprise, Wesley (and his mother, by proxy) would have been kicked off the ship a number of times because of his idiotic antics before the Senior Officers began to warm to him. Picard, as CO of the flagship of Starfleet (an organization that is almost a tit-for-tat imitation of the US Navy), would have an awfully big responsibility to explain and assign blame to anyone on his ship after all of the incidents that occurred on board, many of which involved Wesley or were a direct product of his irresponsibility or immaturity. The saving grace of him saving the day and getting the ship out of the jams he created would be irrelevant, and if he wasn't removed from the ship after the first couple, he definitely would be gone before his promotion to Acting Ensign (an imaginary rank on Vessels underway.) Given the importance of the Enterprise, an Acting Ensign still wouldn't serve bridge watch, being that there were likely a line of other more qualified Ensigns on board rotating in and out of the job.
TL:dr, Wesley piloting the ship was a retarded reach by the writers to involve a kid on the bridge to interact with the child-hating Picard and already breaks willing suspense of disbelief.
Orangemenace13 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:14:26 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, both Crushers were terrible.
Alarmed_Ferret ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:55:54 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Here's a question, why the FUCK was Westley Crusher made part of Starfleet and still allowed to serve on the same ship as his mother? Isn't that a huge conflict of interest?
FizzyDragon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:18:03 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Wouldn't that only apply if he was medical staff?
Though actually you're right, now that I think of it, the conflict would lie in her worrying about him over other people she may need to treat in emergency situations.
Richardmg9 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:19:36 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Thank you. I hate Wesley more, but I can't stand Beverly either. If for no other reason than the episode where she refuses to even tell a suicidal Worf about a procedure that could sure his paralysis. Being all holy-er than thou by declaring his culture and desire is wrong, and that he can't be trusted with all the information about his condition.
user_account_deleted ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:20:52 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Troi.
Troglobitten ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 19:56:26 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Shut up, Wesley!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=afhMMcAHlKw
stratdog25 ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 19:26:06 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ugh. Wesley's dialogue was as bad as Anakin's: "Listen... In a moment, the harmonic resonance of the neutrino clouds is about to become synchronous!"
goochnorris ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 20:19:26 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Can't believe this is down so low was first thing I thought of
bl1y ยท 22 points ยท Posted at 16:59:45 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Shut up.
The_Great_Northwood ยท 73 points ยท Posted at 17:00:28 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
FTFY
GoliathTCB ยท 42 points ยท Posted at 17:42:22 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Get that boy off my fucking bridge.
2SP00KY4ME ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 18:54:31 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
As you wish.
604kevin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:19:03 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Make me!
neverelax ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:36:27 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
East Van FTW
JustinianTheWrong ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 18:51:58 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I first watched this show as a young teen and I didn't really notice how cringe-inducing he could be. I still think the character was more good than bad, but going back and watching at an older age made me like him less. I love Wil Wheaton though, so I don't hold it against him.
jackedadobe ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:45:46 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It makes sense to have a teenager in a show that was popular with teens, I went through a love/hate phase with Wesley myself. Probably time to rewatch the series!
JustinianTheWrong ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:13:44 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, watching it at 11/12 I loved his character and felt connected to him, as the only young character and also a fairly normal, relatable guy.
FizzyDragon ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:19:09 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I was like eight, so to me Wesley was older than me, and thus perfectly acceptable as a genius character, and not obnoxious. I never knew he was so hated until many years later.
604kevin ยท 36 points ยท Posted at 18:22:07 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Paging /u/wil
Dear_Occupant ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 05:53:11 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He never responds to this sort of summon, by the way. People used to do this to him all the time on fark.com and the only time he'd show up was when he had something to say in a thread where he wasn't summoned. Calling him out is pretty much the best way to ensure that he won't show up.
jcskarambit ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:30:00 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think that's the point.
PmMeYourWhatever ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 00:18:09 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You know what, wil wheaton is a pretty cool dude, but that doesn't make me hate the character any less. I fucking hated wesley crusher. The only thing less appealing than a wesley episode were the alexander ones.
Rimbosity ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 05:24:28 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think the esteemed Mr. Wheaton hated him just as much.
deltopia ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 06:09:34 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
We only had to deal with Wesley for an hour a week. Mr. Wheaton probably gets told "SHUT UP WESLEY HAW HAW HAW" by some fool twice a week, even today. It would take us years of practice to be able to hate Wesley as much as he does.
604kevin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:00:13 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I actually really liked his character growing up as he was almost exactly my age
PmMeYourWhatever ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:06:15 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's cool, I was a little younger than his character and I still hated him.
thefran ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 09:30:20 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Wheaton is a pretty cool dude?
Wheaton is an arrogant, ignorant piece of shit who has no business being as popular as he is. What the fuck does he actually do? Why is this slug everywhere?
npfiii ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 14:29:04 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
^this.
Also, everyone who has an opinion he doesn't like is a 'dick/douche' yet he sees no irony in the way he spouts his own opinions...
Troggie42 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:45:00 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He has username mentions turned off.
AndorianWomenRule ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:50:17 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Paging /u/wil a second time.
[deleted] ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 19:52:52 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This is a correct answer for sure, because he was universally hated as a character, but if you look back to Wes's appearances from Season Two on, especially Seasons Three through Five, the producers and /u/Wil did a solid job of making his character grow from an annoying preteen to an upstanding young man.
By the episode "Final Mission", you could believe that Wesley Crusher would turn out all right. And they humanized him in "The First Duty", bringing him down a peg by involving him in a Starfleet Academy cover-up.
It's just that people who weren't regular viewers never got to see that depth. And that's unfortunate.
[deleted] ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 22:33:41 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's a shame that TNG wasn't great at character development.
Nog on DS9 was done brilliantly well. At the start he's just an annoying kid who gets into trouble, not to mention he's a Ferengi, a race lots of people hated at the tine.
Then his character grows throughout the seasons, becomes a great Starfleet officer and even carries a great episode about PTSD on his own.
spacemoses ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 03:10:54 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Man, I've hear DS9 really turns into a great show, but damned if I cant make it past like 3 episodes of Season 1.
Maplekey ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 06:16:52 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
After reading what u/marqueemark78 and u/FizzyDragon said, I've compiled a list of plot-important episodes from the first two seasons of DS9. It's been a while since I've seen them, so let me know if I missed any.
Season 1
Emissary 1 & 2
Dax
The Nagus
Battle Lines
In the Hands of the Prophets
Season 2
The Homecoming/The Circle/The Siege (three part episode)
Cardassians
Necessary Evil
The Alternate
Armageddon Game
Blood Oath
The Maquis 1 & 2
The Wire
Crossover
The Collaborator
The Jem'Hadar
EDIT: thanks for the gold!
spacemoses ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:26:13 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think you just tipped me over the edge to go back and give it another shot.
marqueemark78 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:46:19 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The first 2 seasons are hard to watch, but season 2 especially has some important episodes. I'd highly recommend powering through them just to see the drastic in the most annoying characters. Nog and Bashir change dramatically to say the least.
FizzyDragon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:22:17 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
There must be some list somewhere of which episodes are most necessary to watch. Because it really is worth it.
Yavemar ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:43:14 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Just started season 1 because I have this strange compulsion to watch every episode of every Star Trek series on Netflix. It's painful.
eekozoid ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:25:22 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I like that he merged cultures instead of just transforming into a human with giant ears.
FizzyDragon ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:21:32 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Nog wanting to become a starfleet officer is a favourite Trek moment of mine, where Sisko is grilling him and he has to defend himself and justify it. Go Nog! And then he goes off and does his best and experiences failures and everything. It's a great arc.
Nog and Quark and even Rom gave the Ferengi a lot of depth and heart. Too bad the Ferengi-focused episodes were still generally shitty :/
SkyWest1218 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 05:57:57 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I thought they were mostly decent episodes, I just wasn't that interested in them given everything else that was occurring during those seasons.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:47:38 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
IIRC, it was a Ferengi episode that actually first mentioned the Dominion.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:51:58 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
DS9 was pretty dang good at character development. miss that show. really wasnt crazy about the kira/odo romance though. but worf/jadzia was excellent.
Intrepd ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 19:05:30 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
alt.wesley.crusher.die.die.die
pjabrony ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:28:33 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Wasn't it alt.ensign.crusher.die.die.die?
It was probably both.
hashtagwindbag ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 10:23:56 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Cut out the middleman IMO and just despise the actor.
That's what I do.
dmkicksballs13 ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 20:14:24 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
His problem is that Will Wheaton is just a bad actor.
headzoo ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 00:15:37 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not seeing it. He was great in Stand by Me, which is still one of my favorite movies.
npfiii ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:03:18 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Watch anything else he's been in (The Guild, TBT, Eureka) and he (badly) plays the exact same character every single time...
calsosta ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:56:52 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I thought he was fine. The only other thing I know him for besides Stand By Me is his voice acting which is really good.
I guess I didn't mind Wesley that much. Voyager is the only one that had characters I hated.
CervezaPorFavor ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:00:15 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My problem is more with his terrible fashion sense. He always looked a little sickly in his oversized uniform.
RedditIsAShitehole ยท -15 points ยท Posted at 20:32:10 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And a massive cunt.
Deris87 ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 20:37:55 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Bad actor I'd agree with (though I still enjoy his Geek and Sundry stuff), why's he a cunt though?
[deleted] ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 01:25:38 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
He's an advocate for eliminating internet anonymity. He also aligns with some PC opinions. Generally, he was known primarily for being a hated child actor on a beloved show, and seems to be seen as a nerd celebrity despite most in the demo disliking him. He's really just a known face that lives off past involvements.
Edit: As expected, just downvotes, not discussion.
RedditIsAShitehole ยท -18 points ยท Posted at 20:53:47 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He's a Social Justice Warrior.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:55:00 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Oh, no. That's totally something well-adjusted people should take seriously.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:41:05 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Whoa if we're going to talk about HATED TNG characters, it's Barclay. Hands down.
The_Great_Northwood ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:42:13 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Barclay is meant to be the stereotype of a Trekkie though
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:56:45 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Which I think is why he is so damn hateable.
Adamsoski ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:25:25 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I liked Barclay :(
marqueemark78 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:49:28 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I liked him later, he was one of Voyager's strongest characters.
doseedoseedo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:40:54 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I am going to register to upvote this.
The hate is strong.
Valkyrie21 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:59:27 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The thing I dislike the most about the little shit was the character he grew up to be and the way they tried to write him off in the final season.
KingHavana ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:09:35 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So much hatred for this kid. Yes they wanted kids to watch the show but they didn't have to make him come up with the answer to every problem. He clearly knows more engineering than the engineering officer, more science than the science officer, more about everything than everyone. Wesley walks in, solves the problem. Everyone who has been training all their lives for their position is just an idiot on that show.
That said, episodes without him were pretty good.
simplerthings ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:12:37 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hey now, I know a good amount of non sci-fi watchers that only got into TNG because Wesley was cute.
lysinedeficiency ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:13:56 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So. Much. Cringe.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:35:24 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I like Wesley. I don't like the "he's the golden child" and that he's as smart as Data, but I think it was good to show the nature of the ship by including a child frequently. I also like Wil Hwheaton in general.
DogShitTaco ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:51:22 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Will Wheaton, Will Wheaton, Will Wheaton.
BlackMantecore ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:53:12 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I feel bad about this because you can tell it hurt Wil Wheaton on a personal level after awhile
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:16:21 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Then The Big Bang Theory pretended Wil Wheaton was a "nerd icon" and now he gets invited to host things like Blizzcon, even though nobody really likes him.
TbanksIV ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:34:03 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Thank god I'm not the only one. I don't know many other people who have seen TNG so I've never had a frame of reference.
That kid is such a whiny little bitch the whole time. Any time he smiles I just want to punch him.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:34:20 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
https://youtu.be/afhMMcAHlKw
BKTrumbull231 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:05:56 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The only episode where Wesley seemed like a real person was in The First Duty where one of their squad mates dies in a flying exercise because they attempted a banned maneuver and lied about it during the trial.
CoconutMacaroons ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:29:34 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Paging u/wil
Meaowchairmanofmix ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:32:48 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I hated him when I was a kid but rewatching it as an adult and a teacher I see him as a sometimes obnoxious kid, but in a believable way, and overall tolerable.
zaphodava ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:32:53 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
On the old Usenet groups, there was one called alt.wesley.crusher.die.die.die. It was mostly fan fiction where each TNG episode was rewritten so that Wesley dies.
ORANGESAREBETTERTHAN ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:00:26 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm so sorry, /u/wil
Anti-DolphinLobby ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:03:31 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Surprised to see this so far down.
For the record I've always thought Deanna Troi was a waaaaay worse character than Wesley Crusher. WC was overpowered, but at least he was useful. I hate having to watch Troi bumbling around having vague intuitions and forgetting that she has magical empathic abilities until someone else brings it up. The episode where she loses her abilities and has a tantrum was 100% pure cringe.
litewo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:17:42 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I blame the writers for this. Wesley wasn't that bad when he had good material that wasn't just "brilliant teenager solves the problem that a dozen trained adults can't."
TakeOffYourMask ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:24:33 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
How is this not the top response?
shawnisboring ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:39:05 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Can we expand this to Will Wheaton in general? Because I can't stand that insufferable, smug, white knighting, fame-whoring jackass.
Bennykill709 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:50:50 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Wesley is kindof dumb, but I don't hate him as much as everyone. Who I hate most is Dr. Pulaski. Fuck that entitled cunt.
Orangemenace13 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:21:03 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm surprised this isn't higher up. In the later seasons I grew to be okay with Wesley, but for the first few seasons he was insufferable. And I don't blame Wil Weaton, I blame the writing.
I remember when TNG was first airing I thought it was so cool that this kid was able to fly the ship and all that (I was a little kid and therefore I assume the target audience), but even as a child I thought he could be wicked annoying.
eddiejugs ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:52:04 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The Captain saw right past that winy little brat! He just felt guilty :P
anumati ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:59:28 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I hate the writers who thought his story arcs were a good idea. The actual character would have been find if they'd just stuck to him having adventures reasonable for a 16 yo instead of the various shit that actually happened.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:33:49 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
WC still better than Wil Wheaton
Joon01 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:34:04 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Why is a god damn ten year old piloting the flagship of the Federation? If it were found out that a child were steering an aircraft carrier, heads would roll.
"Captain, what the hell made you think letting a child take the helm of the Enterprise was a good idea?"
"Well, he's the son of our doctor who I used to date so..."
"Okay. You're gone. You, Dr. Crusher, Riker, Data, anyone who knew about this. You're all dishonorably discharged. Some of you might be going to prison."
ridik_ulass ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:51:43 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
you come at the king you best not miss, /u/wil show this muther-fucker...
dethb0y ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:52:42 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I 100% blame the writers for this. They took a character who could have been a great touchstone for the audience (because you could do exposition to him, he could ask questions that other people would consider common knowledge, etc) and turned him into someone so loathed that 20+ years on and wil wheaton still gets shit for it.
-Mikee ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:13:47 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"Awesome, TNG is on!"
Fuck, it's a Wesley episode. next channel
Not as bad as Alexander episodes, though.
SurrealSam ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:24:13 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My only upvote here.
qytr98 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:24:47 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I was searching for this; I knew someone would say it! My friend HATED Wesley, but I merely found him annoying. For me it was DOCTOR FUCKING PULASKI, whenever she came on I seriously wanted to toss my TV out the window. Followed closely by LIEUTENANT FUCKING YAR. Those two women combined had the acting talents of a featureless block of wood.
The best part of Season 1 was when Yar finally died. I was so pissed when she came back (thankfully briefly) later on.
Son_of_Kong ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:29:24 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I still don't hate him quite as much as I hate Chekov.
hypnobearcoup ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:31:30 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Shut up Wesley.
Thatoneguy3273 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:40:05 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The only episode I actually liked him in was the one where the crew gets infected by that mind control video game thing and he has to go all die hard and escape. It was the only episode that he actually did anything.
The_Great_Northwood ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:27:13 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The Game - Season 5 Episode 6. But I think Data saved the day in that one.
Beeslikesteve ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:52:47 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This is the correct answer
nalydpsycho ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:18:36 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Why did I have to scrill down to find a character who shoukd have been excluded along with Jar Jar.
Montauket ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:42:55 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Okay, I'm only on the second season of TNG right now, but do people really hate this kid on the same level as jar-jar?
I mean, yeah, he looks like a stereotypical 80s teenager who 'says no to drugs' and shit, but I mean, I don't HATE the kid or anything.
Twat_The_Douche ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:00:25 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I was scrolling down looking for this one. Get off my bridge Wesley!
Endulos ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:39:43 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I hated Pulaski and Yar as well.
BiggerJ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:20:41 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Here's the thing: Wesley Crusher wasn't the only problem, as badly as he was written. The universe around him was also a problem.
That's the thing about Mary Sues. While character designs that don't fit in with the world around them is often an issue with such characters, another big problem with them is how the universe treats them. A fictional character with any kind of protagonist role should be challenged and have setbacks, and should change and grow in order to overcome them. People seem to forget that writers don't just control characters, they control entire universes.
Tobar26th ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:50:49 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
How is this not up voted more?
Yet oddly Will Wheaton is quite popular...
MorbidlyMacabre ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:23:13 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He uhh... He was my first crush ever, at the tender age of about 6.
GetOutOfBox ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:56:43 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I love how sending him off to the Academy somehow wasn't enough to kill that character, so they had to have him transcend with the Traveler in some extraterrestrial native american shaman ritual.
IshyMoose ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:20:03 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Carl from The Walking Dead is this generations Wesley Crusher.
GoogleNoAgenda ยท -8 points ยท Posted at 17:26:14 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Wil Wheaton, too, while we're at it.
losian ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 17:33:12 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I never got this, he seems like a fine fellow and there's far worse bodies if work out there.
UnoriginalRhetoric ยท -14 points ยท Posted at 18:06:06 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Lets just say that Wil has been publically disapproving of a kind of ant whose colonies only have a few hundreds worker or less.
Those ants have since issued their fatwa for him being guilty of being a 'SJW cuck' who is totally just pretending to be a geek to get that youtube money for playing board games on the internet. Just like that SJW slut he works with, Felicia Day who is obviously just famous because she is a women and is totally pretending to be a gamer.
I mean, who knew that ants were so judgemental? Must be the hive mind thing.
hoseja ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 18:22:23 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yess Yess feed me your holier than thou condescension.
UnoriginalRhetoric ยท -7 points ยท Posted at 18:24:01 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Oh god, the ants are here.
I mean, you are right, you guys would never do that as you are totally about ethics in video games journalism and how dare I bismirch your good name...
I would never lie about you and your fellow ants.
GoogleNoAgenda ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:18:28 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Actually I just don't like him because his (at least on screen) personality is really grating and annoying to me.
StoneRhino ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 17:44:21 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Looks like someone is just trying to summon him
Chubbstock ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:57:14 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
/u/wil
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:51:36 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Whil Wheaton
CdrVimes ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 18:36:12 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He's a damn nice chap. There's also Wheaton's First Law, which is, don't be a douche.
TfnO ยท 78 points ยท Posted at 22:29:20 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This one's pretty dated, but Joxer from Xena Warrior Princess. The Internet was in its infancy and the character still had hate pages dedicated to him. There was even one that had movable cannons to shoot at his head.
CupcakeValkyrie ยท 29 points ยท Posted at 02:38:33 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Huh. I didn't hate Joxer at all. He was annoying, sure, but that was the point. He was arguably one of the bravest characters in the show. He knew damn well he couldn't fight for shit, but tried to make up for it with confidence, and was willing to charge hopelessly into battle to save his or do the right thing.
OortClouds ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 06:42:33 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Joxer was my one of my favorite secondary characters, behind Autolycus. Ted raimi and Bruce Campbell were wonderful.
You're right though, he was intensely irritating. But that was the point.
stardustmz ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 04:03:14 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Joxer...awww he's just lovably incompetent. (Also "Master of Geography" I adore the first musical episode)
NickTheChocolate ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:07:52 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
In small doses Joxer was OK but I did grow very tired of him very quickly.
What the introduction of his character did start was the steady descent into over-the-top campness, wackiness and melodrama which make the later series unwatchable for me.
kperkins1982 ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 07:47:37 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
How about whomever decided to make Xena look like shit half the time?
Seeing how much better she looked on Battlestar and Parks and Rec, it is shocking how terrible she looked at a so much younger age
kefefs ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 05:21:47 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Thanks for reminding me how much I hated that guy
Darakath ยท 1443 points ยท Posted at 16:37:22 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Teemo.
OFJehuty ยท 83 points ยท Posted at 20:05:05 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I have to build tank teemo when I use my cottontail skin because that skin is the most effective taunt in the game
ShadyTea ยท 25 points ยท Posted at 01:02:00 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
SO IT'S BEEN YOU DOING THAT
WHY?
WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY
IT DOESNT GET YOU ANY KILLS ITS JUST ANNOYING
OFJehuty ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 02:00:03 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well it works on the same principle that blood elf paladins do...
The "fuck you" principle.
Just kidding ily bby
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 12:05:22 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Tankmo is so bm.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:54:34 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Teemo taunt is OP.
OFJehuty ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:39:48 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They don't call me OPeemo for nothin.
Boiteux ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:05:19 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Brb checking to see if you were in that one game of mine...
OFJehuty ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:10:48 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Can tell you for a fact I wasn't lol.
Rqller ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 20:30:45 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Never underestimate the power of The Scout's Code!
Wowbringer ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 00:15:17 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Trashysneakers ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 21:13:20 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Size doesn't mean everything.
Betaman156 ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 22:19:06 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"Don't worry guys it's just Teemo, the Christmas retard." - bunkley
MericaSuitofFreedom ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 20:14:03 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He's also a unit of measurement.
JPLangley ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:17:11 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
His unit measurement is called a Megahitler.
MericaSuitofFreedom ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:47:46 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
One Teemo is exactly 100 in game units.
Zeeboon ยท 62 points ยท Posted at 20:07:22 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So many League players complaining about Teemo.. They should try playing a game against Techies, see who is the most maliciously annoying.
[deleted] ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 21:15:19 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
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LeotheYordle ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 22:28:46 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The last time I remember Teemo getting any sort of big nerfs was like 3 years ago. Apart from the AP ratio on his ult being nerfed last season, I think.
DrSinistar ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 20:58:25 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Techies can instagib you while Teemo cannot. Nuff said.
FIREJAW ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 21:16:44 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Unless your playing some 3 patches old version of doto techies isnt even that bad anymore.
zamuy12479 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:15:40 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
r[A]t techies is a severely underrated strategy though.
Source: 78% winrate this patch on techies.
megafather ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:12:37 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I have 80 landmines and an abandon due to inactivity I am fucking one-hitting you goddammit
DaedeM ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:59:35 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He is still cancer to play against as a support.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 23:52:18 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Techies is shit now though
Gekon_gekon ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:43:41 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
True, Techies gives you a clean swift death with his mines. While Teemo gives you a cruel painfully slow one with his mushrooms.
RedditWhileWorking23 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:35:14 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Shroom + Liandries + Nashors + any other AP item. Stealth. Wait for someone non tanky to pop a shroom. unstealth next to them. Q -> Ignite -> AA -> AA = ded. Move Quick and walk away while spamming laugh.
QueenLadyGaga ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 22:11:04 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
But shrooms don't stack, so he has to get near you to kill you. Techies can just 100-0 you in half a second from his fountain. It's ridiculous
RedditWhileWorking23 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:14:28 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
True that.
There is no better feeling than killing someone who just happened to be wrong place, wrong time.
ISLAUGODOFWAR ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:20:07 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Techies player here. Dont forget about the lack of getting runes due to instakill.
Bear_Cop ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:36:06 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Being instagibbed > dying to shrooms while teemo is nowhere to be found. Just watching your health get lower and lower, knowing the enemy team has vision on you in their jungle... Shudders
LeerooooyGaaaankins ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:54:15 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm getting flashbacks of 90 minute mega creep matches from a few patches ago.
Wishartless ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:38:35 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Teemo isn't even remotely bad... there are a few dozen champions I'd rather not fight.
Sure, shrooms are unexpected and annoying. But techies... fuck me.
hwarming ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:38:39 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Singed, a good yasao, velkoz,
Synikul ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:28:23 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
For some reason I find an instant, explody death way less frustrating that getting slowly worn down by mushrooms and then popped in the face with a dart when I think I'm clear.
TheRealHanBrolo ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 07:15:05 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My favorite thing is having a tiny toss me in and I allahu Akbar for first blood. Ahhhh. Good times.
TeddyGom ยท 230 points ยท Posted at 17:36:14 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
B-but he's so cute! Captain Teemo reporting for duty!
JamesMusicus ยท 390 points ยท Posted at 17:48:07 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
To those who see him, he is cute. To those who play him, he is strong. However, only those that struggle against him see the true terror that lie behind his eyes. The depth of cruelty that lies in store for all in his path of pain and suffering. Teemo is neither cute nor cuddly. He is evil and cruelty incarnate, with no restraint nor compassion. He is hate itself... But goddamn if that hat isn't the most adorable thing ever.
[deleted] ยท 30 points ยท Posted at 18:18:39 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I was so lucky when I played league, the characters I enjoyed playing (ranged skillshots galore) naturally countered him. I saw other people suffer against him, but he was never a problem for me unless he was fed in a different lane. And frankly almost any champion is a pain if they're massively overfed.
kingfrito_5005 ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 19:25:58 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Fed bard ftw
huek ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:31:22 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Never Underestimate the power of Bard adc ( อกยฐ ั อกยฐ )
MysteriousLenny ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:50:46 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Blade of the ruined king Bard...you haven't seen the horrors
kingfrito_5005 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:11:18 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The best thing is that his utility is based on skill level and chime collection, so you can build him any way you want and still be just as useful as a support.
Holofoil ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:11:22 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not playing devourer bard jungle, what a casual.
corsair238 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:11:34 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Unless they're Darius. Then they're just a pain, no matter how little you feed them. Fuck Darius.
Chefjones ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:31:31 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Try laning against him as garen.
Winstonpentouche ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 19:40:30 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If people feared him as much as the meme leads you to believe, everyone would play him in competitive play and no one would not play him. Permabanned all the time.
So in truth he isn't the monster everyone thinks he is. They probably just suck.
VioletCrow ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 20:25:38 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Teemo is the most killed champion in league. Picking him is actually a detriment to your team, and really he's only good as a counter for Nasus (or he was when I stopped playing).
But damn if those shrooms don't ruin your day.
andreib14 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 21:42:00 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
actually a good teemo will usually counter any melee , aa based champ which when I played was about 3/4 of top lane.
Shroom wards? yup
Annoying as shit in team-fights? Yup
Naturally taunts everyone around him? yup
Overall is is a strong champ if the right hands at mid-high level play. Once a retards gets his hands on him or you play in anything above plat you see how squishy and vulnerable to ganks pre 6 he actually is.
VioletCrow ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:43:24 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
True, good point. I've only ever played against the retards or been the retard as far as teemo goes :P.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:17:49 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He's not the best champion, but he counters quite a few champs. Add that to his mushroom crap and he's incredibly annoying to fight.
My league buddy was a teemo main, so I got to see that champ in action a lot.
Bunchasomething ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 02:26:06 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Omega squad Teemo is actually just regular Teemo except, his thoughts are more outward.
Miudmon ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:24:17 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Teemo is basicly a war vet that has PTSD and hides it behind his happy demeanor. He goes full on crazy in omega squad
CheesyHotDogPuff ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 20:22:53 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
At least he's not techies.
bbrick33 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:32:03 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ctrl 4
shudders
Sca4ar ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:19:07 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not really no. He is just a useless champ since at least 3 years
JamesMusicus ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:23:06 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
WHOOSH
tmmtx ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:30:24 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Play Ashe or Varus, then he's just a squishy dead hamster... ;)
xlhhnx ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:14:09 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He used to live by a code...
JamesMusicus ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:43:05 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Any of his fellow scouts would tell you he's been a psycho since the start!
Kelor ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:27:48 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Before they made his backstory more PR friendly he literally went out and depopulated civilian villages due to PTSD.
jazzhandsmcgeezax ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:33:46 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Wut
TeddyGom ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:11:42 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hahaha. Back when I played I used to play Rumble so I had fun terrorizing Teemo in lane.
GaboKopiBrown ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:44:21 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Relevant
Kaminohanshin ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 19:45:15 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
There used to be a time where that fucking blind wasn't limited by time. You had to do a set number of auto attacks until the blind would be lifted. Oh, and the mushroom damage all stacked. I don't know what the hell the designers were thinking.
Iammyselfnow ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 18:55:12 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I just play ziggs, BLOW HIM UP, BLOW HIM UP, DONT LET THE INVISIBLE FUCK GET AWAY.
Weaselmon ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 19:36:35 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Teemo is neither cute, nor cuddly. He is trash. Zero stars.
moal09 ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 18:42:46 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He's a hard counter to most melee top laners, which is why he's seen as satan in the LoL community.
He has very little utility in team fights, and doesn't do much late game other than split push decently. That's why a lot of people consider him cancer. You're basically picking him to spite your lane opponent.
ThatLaggyNoob ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 21:57:33 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Teemo is really just the cannon rush of League - cheesy as hell and annoying as fuck but not particularly strong once you know how to play against him.
moal09 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 22:32:43 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The problem is that the way you beat him (early pressure) also makes you extremely susceptible to ganks. If your jungler is on the ball though, he's fairly gankable.
bonage045 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:28:33 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Also, god help you if you picked tryndamere and have to lane against teemo. Your jungler either has to set a tent, or you aren't playing league that day.
thedoormanmusic32 ยท 22 points ยท Posted at 17:41:52 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
If I had a penny for all the times I've heard "Good fucking dammit, Teemo!" My net worth would rival Scrooge McDuck.
Edit: God Fucking Dammit, Teemo
Edit 2: Not gonna edit the main post because comedy gold.
AlphaChiRoach ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 18:22:28 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
zamuy12479 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:19:15 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Some good shit rright there
Vordreller ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:43:48 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0T_pWJpwl1c
ON DUTY
juanes3020 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:29:09 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
His cuteness gave him already too many skins.
[deleted] ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 21:43:25 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
nothing compares to shaco. You see him, then you get feared by a box when chasing him, he disappears and then you see him taking a tower on the other side of the map.
Dexaan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:25:09 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Sound like the LoL version of Nature's Prophet
mexicanweasel ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:34:16 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Probably, but shaco's whole thing is being a demon clown. Just fucking grins and laughs the entire time.
thefran ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 09:34:00 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
league's character design really is cringe central
thefran ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:05:36 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Lols version of Nature Prophet is twisted fate, castrated appropriately.
Yodaskool ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 20:25:08 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My name's Teemu. I got a bit sp00k'd there
lxkrycek ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:46:47 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That is mostly because everyone don't care about him in early game but when he comes to be fed by kills-assists, the team suddenly realizes there was indeed 5 guy in the opposite team... and that the 5th one became amazingly-f*cking-annoying now that he's setting shrooms everywhere.
In other words : that's because of too much underestimation.
bonage045 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:32:22 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This is mostly because he makes melee top laners his bitch. His job is to make sure their top is as worthless in teamfights as he is. Especially if you have a shitty jungler that doesn't gank him before level 6 (quite a few).
poonsaderthedank ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:23:48 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ne ne never under estimate the power of the scouts code!
Lissastrata ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:34:27 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I came here for this. I don't even play LoL and I know about Teemo. I had to stop one of my kids from buying a Teemo hat for the other one; the holiday season is not the time for shots fired. :)
AlmightyRuler ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:44:18 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Most players do not know that Teemo actually has a secret ability. It's called "Instant Agro." The second another player sees him, they have to want him dead and attempt to engage. It has global range, and such a massive AoE it covers the entire other team. Such an OP skill.
theavatare ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:06:50 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I should go back to playing lol
cyncantspell ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:10:54 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"War didn't change me; I changed war."
Acegamer0606 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:39:36 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Satan*
Barthas ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:19:40 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Global taunts OP.
tyedrain ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:28:12 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My favorite champ to play when I'm bored with my main champs I love the other team raging out on me.
dsclouse117 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:20:09 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I barely play, and just seeing his name made me mad.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:57:54 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
IronOhki ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:18:00 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I've never played LoL so I went up to my buddy at work one day and asked "So, why is Teemo so bad?"
He had to stop work immediately so we could go to an early lunch and have one of those rare, forbidden mid-day beers all so he could properly articulate what Teemo is.
That was a fun day.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:37:57 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Techies.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:32:27 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's always cute to see people complain about teemo when they've never had to play against techies.
SingularBread ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:47:33 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You mean Lord Satan.
My friend got me Omega squad tremor just so I'd agree to own him.
Captain-AmeriCassie ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:54:13 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think the pinnacle of Teemo evil was when my friend was playing him and there was a Bard on the enemy team. He decided to put a shroom on all of Bards chimes. Evilest shit I have ever seen.
-TheDairyWheel ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:58:09 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Man it's been awhile since I've seen a league related comment. They're obviously all hiding in the bushes/grass.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:18:24 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Teemo!
Tylensus ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:25:26 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I couldn't believe how far down this was, but smiled like the Cheshire cat seeing that you got gilded for that.
FiveVidiots ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:27:41 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My roommate named his car Teemo and I physically cringe whenever he calls it by name.
CxOrillion ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:22:47 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I love Full-Teemo teams in One for All. The laugh alone makes people surrender
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:38:55 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
/r/leagueoflegends is leaking
thebrose69 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:04:29 on January 4, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I also hate Morgana because she's such a fucking troll
prof0ak ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:58:48 on January 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Have you experienced a good Techies?
Xero_K ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:02:58 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't play or know LoL but I always know I'll get a reaction when I mention Teemo
slvrbullet87 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 20:28:36 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He can blind characters in lane making you miss your attacks and then at level 6 he starts shitting out invisible mines everywhere that hurt like hell and slow you. He isn't actually that strong, he is just really really annoying. FUCK YOU TEEMO I am going to throat fuck you with this sword
Xero_K ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:38:05 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well I've at least heard why he's annoying, and bits and pieces of the game by this point, but it was always funny that one name could instantly cause rage (or memory of it).
AcclimateToMind ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:58:20 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I used to hate Teemo, then i started thinking for myself.
He actually has some half-interesting lore going for him too.
TheAmazingKoki ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:18:09 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I didn't mind teemo, then I started playing against him.
bonage045 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:30:53 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
People hate teemo because his entire job is to make melee top laners life living hell, and he's very good at that. He has very clear weaknesses, but for many top laners (tryndamere especially O god) they don't have the tools to exploit them.
WarKiel ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:33:15 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
His lore suits him well. He is a cute, cuddly, psychopathic murderer.
Origami_Paper ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:33:23 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Some /r/lolcirclejerk shit.
alexgorale ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:45:55 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
When I played, even if Teemo was on my team I would go out of my way to fuck him over
ifeelabityes ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:11:53 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Season 3 was my downfall
Kass and Teemo EVERYWHERE
TeikaDunmora ยท 285 points ยท Posted at 17:41:05 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Neelix from ST: Voyager. I liked him.
StuBenedict ยท 84 points ยท Posted at 18:51:06 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I do also hate him, but have to admit Neelix grew more than most of the other characters. In any case, he's better than fucking Chakotay.
[deleted] ยท 61 points ยท Posted at 22:36:49 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I love Voyager for some reason I probably watch it more than the other Treks now I've burnt most out.
Chakotay episodes are the worst though, nothing upsets me more than having the show on random and having his face pop up ''I MUST PRAY TO THE BONES OF MY PEOPLE''.
OH FUCK OFF CHAKOTAY NOBODY GIVES A SHIT.
[deleted] ยท 46 points ยท Posted at 22:41:27 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"Dude, you literally bumped into your 'gods' on a random planet and found out that they're just plain old aliens...why are you still worshipping them?"
pluckydame ยท 27 points ยท Posted at 05:26:03 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I love Chakotay because he's terrible at life and seems to know it. He apologizes to Janeway in one episode because she's stranded on a planet with "the only Indian in the universe who can't start a fire by rubbing two sticks together." He acknowledges that pretty much everyone on his crew from episode 1 was actually a spy working for someone else.
There's also that great episode where he and Janeway get quarantined and then abandoned on a planet and Chakotay gives up all hope within an hour. Janeway's working hard on a cure for this terminal disease and Chakotay just keeps building furniture out of twigs and trying to get into Janeway's pants.
Chakotay takes being terrible to a whole new level.
Schnoofles ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 06:30:53 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And the annoyingly shoehorned native american spiritualism. Terribly witten token black guys have nothing on Chakotay and the bullshit pandering to native americans that Chakotay had going which was so bad it was borderline mockery.
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 07:12:53 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's mostly because the writers got their information from an "expert" who lied about being Native American and actually had no idea what he was talking about.
birdreligion ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 20:11:06 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yes fuck you chakotay, ya worthless cur!
Slow_D-oh ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 22:45:57 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Fist me straight in the ass... Chakotay, here's a captain of a fucking rebel star ship, and like half his crew are plants and spies. So you make him co-captain?
FatJack ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:03:55 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
THE BONES OF MY PEOPLE
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:19:17 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I honestly can't think of another main character in the entire franchise worse than Chakotay. Neither the writers or the actor gave a shit about anything that character did and its clear from every scene.
CarbFiend ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:47:57 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They needed to keep Suder the sociopathic Betazoid and let him out of his room from time to time when needed.
"So you Kazon fellas want something to hunt? ok..."
FliedenRailway ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:51:34 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Chuckles!
kperkins1982 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:44:49 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If it makes you feel any better the actor really really hate it. On multiple occasions he spoke out about the pandering and crap dialogue he was given.
arclathe ยท -10 points ยท Posted at 22:09:54 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Chakotay was literally Riker.
Jah_Ith_Ber ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 01:01:12 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
But without the swagger. Have you ever seen Chakotay sit down by throwing his leg over the back of a chair? Frakes had 'Old Sea Captain' down to a T. Chakotay has 'camp counselor'.
Schnoofles ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 06:32:53 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
In fairness he had to do the swigger and chair leg swing due to real life back pain and all day long repeated takes when filming. At least he made it part of the character without drawing too much unnecessary attention to it. It was just a thing he did that nobody mentioned.
some_harzoo ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:28:24 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm just going to leave this here
coolcool23 ยท 123 points ยท Posted at 18:04:47 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The problem with Neelix is he was just was way overdone. Especially inn the beginning where they made him unrationally jealous over Kes. If they had kept him as a bit played rather than a major character I think he would have been much more tolerable instead of just overbearing comic relief.
shlomo_baggins ยท 24 points ยท Posted at 18:50:32 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I downright hate the episode in the last season where he gets his send off. Really Neelix buddy, you're gonna have this mission to be the first of your kind to visit the Alpha quadrant, become an ambassador to Earth, and all the other goofy things you were setting out to do only to ditch it at crunch time for the last familiar lookin' vag you'll ever see? This is space man! He's already watched his "alien" crew stick their genitals into new frontiers for years. Disappointing and seemed overall not like the character.
AryaKillsDumbledore ยท 27 points ยท Posted at 20:13:34 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
There is this unintentionally hilarious mission in Star Trek Online where you as a starfleet officer go visit him in the delta quadrant to assist him with his colony.
Now by this point in the game you are probably the number one most effective captain/all around ass kicker in starfleet, who is in the delta quadrant to fight rampaging aliens backed by forces that are about as close as you can get to an existential threat to all sentient life in the star trek universe, and what does Neelix have you do?
You ready for this?
Help him sort out a shift scheduling dispute with three of his workers.
Spoilers, but the bad guys show up later and slaughter almost everyone at his colony just to prove a point. I cheered.
shlomo_baggins ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 23:06:50 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
hahah that sounds really funny. Whose on the schedule to die today? Everybody!
watkykjynaaier ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:51:44 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I literally quit in the middle and went back to that stupid fucking Dyson Sphere because I didn't have the time to help his cook find his damn spices. STO is fun until Vice Admiral, when there's really nothing else you can get for free.
AryaKillsDumbledore ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:20:28 on January 4, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Came back after 3 years. Kitted my ship out with random mission sets. Tooted around adventure zones for a while after finishing the new episodes... annnnd now I'm done.
See you in another 3 years.
BKTrumbull231 ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 23:08:04 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The problem is they never bothered to change his character. Bashir was a pain in the beginning of DS9 but became one of my favorite characters by the end of the show.
tunnel-snakes-rule ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 06:59:12 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well yeah, character development didn't exactly go hand in hand with Voyager.
masinmancy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:21:18 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My brother has a hatred for Kira Nerys.
Defenestrationism ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 22:59:17 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I found him sooooooo frigging annoying. He's pretty much most of the things I dislike in irl people... socially intrusive, overbearing, etc.
[deleted] ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 00:17:26 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
One of the high points of Voyager for me was when Tuvok strangles Neelix. I was so disappointed when it turned out to be only a holodeck simulation.
CarbFiend ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 05:44:45 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/AmbiguouslyJewish
Jah_Ith_Ber ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:57:29 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I am about to finish a watch through of TNG and you just reminded me of why I like it so much. There isn't a single character on TNG that I find insufferable. Wesley is a tool in the first couple seasons, but he isn't so bad. I can watch episodes centered around any of the main cast and they will be good.
In DS9 I can't stand Bashir. In VOY it gets worse and I hate Neelix with a passion, Kim is lame, Chakotay is a chucklefuck.
I really like Voyager. But unfortunately I realize a lot of that comes down to the much higher production values, better looking sets and it feels like money was invested. If they had the great casting choices that TNG had it could have been even better.
FizzyDragon ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 04:24:00 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I can't believe Harry Kim is even on your radar enough to think he's lame. I don't find him lame, he's just kind of... there. Poor fella.
tunnel-snakes-rule ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 07:01:28 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
At least he's there. Anybody remember Travis Mayweather? The writers certainly didn't.
Calamity_Jay ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 08:08:20 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think it speaks volumes that in seven fucking years he was never promoted past Ensign, yet there's Tom Paris, a man Janeway had to have released from prison to join her crew, violate the Prime Directive, get demoted to Ensign, and manage to make Lieutenant Jr. Grade before Harry.
FizzyDragon ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:47:12 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Oh man, so true. If I had to list Voyager crew I would remember Harry, but if I was listing NX-01 I don't think I would remember Travis.
Trunkins ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:16:58 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
IT seemed like he was always on the verge of dying every other episode.
Trunkins ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:16:27 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
To be fair, Bashir was genetically engineered to be a smug prick, and didn't mind letting people know it once it came out, though he really was a try hard at the beginning with Dax, dude could have swooned any other chick on the station, but he wanted to bang the Trill.
CarbFiend ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 05:42:37 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/AmbiguouslyJewish
CatDeeleysLeftNipple ยท 102 points ยท Posted at 20:10:39 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Nobody is more hated in the Star Trek universe than Kai Winn.
Vox_Porcupine ยท 39 points ยท Posted at 21:13:28 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
...my child.
Freshlaid_Dragon_egg ยท 32 points ยท Posted at 23:07:04 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Kai Winn = Umbridge of Star Trek
razerzej ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:53:35 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Underrated comment. I'd never made this connection, and it's SO TRUE.
[deleted] ยท 25 points ยท Posted at 00:20:44 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, but that's 'good' hate. We hate Winn because of brilliant acting/writing.
JarJar type hate is when you hate a character because they're annoying and badly acted and written. So just plain shit.
captainlag ยท 23 points ยท Posted at 23:27:22 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
But that's down to good writing, rather than cringe-poor character development.
coolcool23 ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 01:48:44 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I liked that although you mostly hated her guts, every now and then you saw a glimmer of doubt and eventually you realize that she's just being strung along by others until the end when she realizes this and tries to do her best to right things. Unfortunately it's just far too late.
Kind of that redemption arc which makes her a good complex character.
FizzyDragon ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 04:25:23 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Those moments make hating her even stronger in a way, because of the aggravation and frustration that she could almost.. almost... but then... nope.
saltytrey ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 00:10:15 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Louise Fletcher was the best choice for that role. See her performance as Nurse Ratched in One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest.
FizzyDragon ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 04:24:38 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Holy shit, TIL. I never realized.
What perfect casting.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:28:42 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
I always just called her Kai Ratchet.
doyoulikemenow ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 00:46:53 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Oooh, it was so satisfying when that Pah Wraith shit went down at the end... I'm a bad person.
willpauer ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 02:27:00 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
FUCK KAI WINN. FUCK HER TO THE DEEPEST DEPTHS OF EVERY HELL THAT EVER EXISTED.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 03:24:01 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Your pagh is strong, my child.
Trunkins ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 07:17:47 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
STOP TOUCHING MY EAR!
-Mikee ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:17:15 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yes but she was designed to be hated. Her character was intentional, and the actor was amazing with the delivery.
AgeOfWomen ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 22:05:15 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Kai Winn had ambition but lacked the necessary intelligence.
She almost started a civil war in Bajor just because she wanted to prove a point and in another episode was so desperate to get power that she blindly trusted a stranger because the "prophets" said so.
What pisses me off about her was that she was not a villain, she was just dumb.
[deleted] ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 00:26:19 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
She was self-serving, power-hungry, and ruthless, and at the same time she had that condescending, outwardly kindly, paper-thin piety. She may have been dumb, but she was definitely a villain.
Stone_Reign ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 01:55:15 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Space Trump
razgrizzeroone ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:32:57 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
As someone who just finished rewatching DS9 not too long ago, fuck Kai Winn.
the-first-victory ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:45:14 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Whenever Kai Winn or the Female Founder were onscreen, I could feel my blood pressure go up.
CatDaddio ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:23:56 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You know what though? I LOVED hating her. She was SO MUCH FUN to hate. Same with Dukat.
Really, I think DS9 wins for character development. Not every character came out great but those that did have a very legendary, archetypal feel.
theyellowhammers ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 23:09:36 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Had to be the inspiration for Umbridge.
CarterProgen ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:39:25 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
She was a bad Kai.
JASSM-ER ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:33:49 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
ahem Wesley
killerofdemons ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 20:07:36 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The only character worse the Neelix was Tuvix.
Vox_Porcupine ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 21:12:51 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well, Janeway straight up murdered Tuvix.
Air0ck ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 22:02:45 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I've seen people rant against Janeway for murdering Tuvix. And while I agree it was murder of one life, she needed the two individuals more. Especially Tuvok.
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 03:42:33 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
For me it is simple math. Save two lives at the expense of one? Not an ideal situation but better than saving one life at the expense of two.
neoman4426 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:05:04 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's like the ethical problem with two sets of train tracks with varying numbers of people on each, you control the switch but can't stop it, if you do nothing it hits the larger group, if you flip the switch it hits the smaller one. Is "actively" killing a smaller number more or less correct to do than passively letting a larger number die? I'm horrible at explaining it, but you know the one. For the most part I agree with your reasoning for both if all that's known is how many people there are. If more information is known obviously that could sway the decision, like if you knew the larger group had a serial killer that would kill the rest of the group anyway if they don't get hit, or that someone from the smaller group would discover a cure for AIDS or whatever
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 07:44:03 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I know exactly what thought experiment you are talking about! Also, one factor in this situation beyond math is that Janeway and Tuvok were friends for a long time right? I don't blame her for wanting to save her friend. yes Tuvix had the tactical knowledge that Tuvok had but if Janeway and Tuvok already worked well together, the crew has a better chance of survival.
Vox_Porcupine ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:36:32 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hey, Tuvix could do everything Tuvok could. He had all the same knowledge. And nobody needs Neelix for shit.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 22:43:39 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Apparently nobody on Voyager could train people to do stuff. The ship's main pilot had to be the secondary doctor and only field medic because he was the only one on the ship who had studied some kind of medical side-course.
So they were incapable of teaching someone else how to cook.
Vox_Porcupine ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 23:04:27 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well, Tom was the only competent employee they had. The rest of them were too stupid to even notice that he was actually Nicholas Locarno.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:07:32 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Nah, they had a swear jar that they had to put their money in if they ever said his real name.
Vox_Porcupine ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:18:24 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Kind of like how nobody in Starfleet is allowed to mention Jonathan Archer.
Jah_Ith_Ber ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:05:51 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Didn't they reference that at some point? Like he said he was kicked out of the academy for attempting a starburst? I could swear he said something that referenced that TNG episode and I'm left scratching my head how they just went from a casting discontinuity to full blown AIDS.
Tim Russ was in an episode of TNG, and Max Grodenchik played a random Ferengi as well but they didn't try to connect those things.
Air0ck ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:41:18 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
But what if Janeway needed a tactical report at the same time she needed a cuppa coffee?!
Vox_Porcupine ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 22:43:57 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's what Harry Kim is for, useless fuck that he is.
pluckydame ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 05:30:49 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Harry Kim is an ensign on his first mission but they let him order lieutenants around, just because he's a main character. (Same with Neelix, the untrained civilian cook.)
Vox_Porcupine ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 05:44:09 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Technically he's also a department head, which gives him positional authority - Chief O'Brien is lower-ranked than Nog, but Nog can't tell him what yo do.
pluckydame ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:53:12 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Wait. Why was he the department head? Was literally everyone else in Ops killed? Because that seems improbable.
ThrowawayusGenerica ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 19:27:14 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
God, I hated him in that episode where he gets his lungs stolen.
kasteen ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:23:49 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Didn't he start freaking out about the holographic lungs that the doctor gave him?
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 22:45:56 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Nobody in their right mind would freak out if they were just told that that had no lungs and had pretend ones made of light instead. Oh, and that they could become misaligned and cause death if you moved too much.
ThrowawayusGenerica ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:42:31 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yes. I can't stand his temper tantrums most of all.
threeswordstyle ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 19:12:21 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Kes and chakotay were way worse than Neelix
sabrefudge ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 19:31:20 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I even have a Neelix t-shirt!
exitpursuedbybear ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 21:43:55 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I have this huge admiration for Neelix, because of a flaw in my own character. How many times has someone come to Neelix with emotional issues or problems just as he's finishing his kitchen shift and what does he do, he drops everything to help them. Neelix has this emotional core or strength I lack. If someone came to me at the end of a work day with a problem. I'd be like that's tough dude...I gotta go get a beer. I can barely handle my own problems let alone take on some one else's.
FlyingChange ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:00:10 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Neelix should've become a security officer. He should have had a long arc where he becomes more and more serious.
Hingl_McCringleberry ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 20:15:28 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
[Spoiler]
IIRC he did, during the year of hell. But then that year didn't exist/was erased. And he did ask Tuvok for some training multiple times, but Tuvok was a condescending prick (as usual)
Air0ck ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:03:39 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Except for when he danced for Neelix!
FlyingChange ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:46:22 on January 4, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He did, yes, which is where I got the idea. But that should have gone into the actual series.
I'm also firmly against Star Fleet characters who don't wear the Starfleet uniform. It makes so little sense to me that they allow some people to just say "fuck off" to uniform regulations.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:40:08 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
I think he would of been better as a science officer. He was good with rigging/fixing different alien technology being a technology scavenger/scrapper his pre-voyager life.
edit: I named my cat Neelix, but for some odd reason my dad kept calling him Lexus after umpteen times I corrected him.
RagsyDoubleDay ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 18:49:10 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Tuvix. I'm pretty sure I screamed the whole way through that episode.
GamerLegend007 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:15:34 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You mean Neevok ;)
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 18:58:07 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Wasn't his girlfriend like 3 years old? Fucking paedo.
CatDeeleysLeftNipple ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 20:08:37 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Even in her own species' way of having a short life-span of around 7-8 years she was prepubescent. So yes, paedophile.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:10:03 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's right, I remember she nearly destroyed Voyager when she hit puberty.
Jah_Ith_Ber ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 01:07:32 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Na she didn't hit puberty then, that was going in to heat or something.... like putting too much air into a balloon!
thewarp ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:53:24 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Funny thing is after all that it turned out Kes' actor was the creepy one
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 09:18:57 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Uh... wow. I did not expect that.
ntermation ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:08:40 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Had a friend who had a catchprase 'Janeway is a bitch' I dont think he liked her much. Not sure if it was widespread.
Poopster46 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:25:06 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't think he understood the concept of a catchphrase.
lysinedeficiency ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:18:11 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Oh gosh, yes. Neelix and Kes. But Kes was harder to watch because I found her more irrational. Her being so young made it that much more creepy. If I knew her in real life, I wouldn't touch her with a 30' pole.
loudmusicman4 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:19:16 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Came to this thread specifically to look for him. It was like watching a little kid try to be an adult on a starship.
MagicBandAid ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:00:48 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What kind of idiot gets his lungs stolen in the second episode anyway?
Cole-Spudmoney ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:03:30 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The weird thing about Neelix is that he's actually a really interesting character when the episode is focused on him, so they actually bother to write him with more depth. But whenever he's just a side character in an episode they just go back to making him annoying and the butt of jokes.
MyUserNameTaken ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:20:41 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Especially since in the pilot he's setup as this smuggler barely on the right side of the law Han Solo character. Then when the series actually starts up he's the cook?! WTF. Lots of lost potential on the show from the pilot to the actual show.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:25:10 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I loved Neelix. That said, I think they should've kept Tuvix.
rexlibris ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:52:01 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
i wanted to shove him out an airlock after the first episode
thewarp ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:53:16 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Nobody else mentioning Sesca? My wife and I watched it together and we couldn't go through one of her episodes without yelling "you bitch" or something worse at the screen.
kloutier ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:08:49 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Down voted beacause i liked nelix too. Then upvoted beacuse i liked nelix too.
Ivanthecow ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:14:07 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Tuvix. Worst character by far.
smilbandit ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:29:27 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
i prefered dr flox.
iynque ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:38:44 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He was kind of an abusive boyfriend. I'm glad Kes was booted from the show just so that relationship could end.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:40:09 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Neelix was awesome! there is so much hate towards him that I don't understand. He is my favorite character from that show.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:27:05 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I hated Chakotay. Whenever he was the focus of an episode, or even a scene, 9 times out of ten it'd be about him being a Native American mystic.
Something, something, ancestors, something, something, vision quest, something, something, spirit animal.
That's all Chakotay ever was
CreamyHampers ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:03:45 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Neelix was fine. Tuvix on the other hand...
Endulos ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:48:22 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Neelix was annoying as fuck at first, but when Kes left the ship he became a bit more tolerable.
[deleted] ยท 147 points ยท Posted at 21:22:18 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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KorrectingYou ยท 25 points ยท Posted at 04:37:44 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"Hey, I've got another mission for you, because among the dozens or possibly hundreds of people living in Minute-Man settlements, 100% of them are useless and only you can go kill this group of low-level raiders in the same spot we've sent you a dozen times before."
chickenburgerr ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 13:21:01 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
To be honest I hate most settlers, it's like taking care of adult children. Boo hoo we've got no food and water, help us random guy who showed up. We can't do it ourselves despite surviving in this environment longer than you. If food is so hard to come by how come it contributes to most of my carry load problems.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:05:13 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
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chickenburgerr ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 14:25:46 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They're just trying to profit off the hard work of your enterprising wanderer, if they aren't willing to pull themselves up by their bootstraps why should I bother to help them. (I actually do all the building stuff, I just like to imagine my character grudgingly complaining about everything the whole time)
jonosaurus ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 07:47:14 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
There's one quest waaay later on, where you run into a group of minutemen on a quest. When I saw them, i thought they were fucking synths, it made no sense.
R0da ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 09:20:12 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You know, I have a feeling that, canonically, (like in skyrim) it's not supposed to be the soul survivor doing all those tasks, but just random minute men, and Bethesda is just having your character be a stand in for those randoms because it's something to do, so why not give it to the player.
I mean the minute men were supposed to be a broad band of citizen soldiers ready to respond to trouble with a minute's notice, and isn't that what those minute man quests are? It doesn't make sense for the soul survivor to get a notice on their radio that someone has been kidnapped or raiders are being dangerous or that a settlement is being attacked that instant, and be able to drop their search for their son and travel across to commonwealth to help that settlement as soon as it calls for help.
xahnel ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:18:59 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"Hey. Hey Preston. I got... I got a thing to tell you."
~disable
"Does, ah... does that solve your little... settler problem, Preston? Are we gonna hear anything more about raiders and settlers?"
-nothing but the sound of sweet silence-
"that's what I thought."
joker783 ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 04:13:57 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Me: I finally helped out with that settlement you told me about.
Preston: Good job, the minutemen could always use more settlers. We just found two more settlements that need our help.
Me: What's this "we" shit? I'm doing all the work. You want more settlers Garvey? You help them.
He got really tiresome after the third time he pulled that.
Mr_Zoidburger ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 04:27:19 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I've got something a little different for you.
jonosaurus ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 07:47:48 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"instead of raiders, it's ghouls this time"
Mr_Zoidburger ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 08:13:58 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"A raider's ghoul has been kidnapped."
opiate46 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 03:46:05 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ugh I've got him as my companion right now as im trying to get his quest, but this guy doesn't compare in the least to lieutenant danse. Fuck that guy. One of THE most annoying characters I've ever seen. I go and shoot him in the face every so often just to feel better.
snakey_nurse ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:02:59 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I lynch him with my shiv-modded wrench that causes extra 20% to cripple. I always hope he gets crippled.
tacomalvado ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 05:46:54 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He's also a rapist.
Fuck_auto_tabs ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 05:12:35 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yep
Boulderman03 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:54:31 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Pseudo spoiler? Now I feel like he's going to betray me...
Egozid ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 06:25:09 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No. That would have been interesting though.
4226MotherNight ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:26:55 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No, Preston is just an asshat.
"Hey, there's a raider problem at Tenpines Bluff. Again. For the third time. I know we have a fuckload of other people in the Minutemen, but we always send the General to do the low level jobs."
kills all settlers
"Problem solved. Shove your Radiant quests up your lazy asshole, you fucking waste."
mountedpandahead ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:24:19 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I call him Preston Gravy cause he's a turkey.
mirpanda ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 13:12:03 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He isn't so bad, he looks really great in the low cut red glitter dress and sailors hat I put him in!
Sanjew ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 13:59:32 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'd agree but I'm busy with a settlement right now.
Here, I've marked it on your map.
TaralasianThePraxic ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:23:12 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"Got something a little different for you..." Preston, go fuck yourself.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:01:21 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"Good job on helping that settlement, here's 97 caps. I've got something a little different for you. Go do the exact same thing I told you to do ten times. You don't want to? Too bad GENERAL. It's not like we have tons of other minutemen who have badass laser muskets and are perfectly capable of doing it."
Bethesda's stupid bland ass fucking radiant quests and shitty dialogue are what ruined Preston.
elmerfedd ยท 25 points ยท Posted at 19:55:17 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Eva Marie.
jaypenn3 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 06:05:32 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Clearly she's just an excellent heel. /s
Ghitzo ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 08:47:31 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
r/squaredcirclejerk
Blee10 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 08:48:46 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't even bother watching her anymore. Just a trainwreck.
salenth ยท 311 points ยท Posted at 17:46:04 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Joel Schumacher. Batman almost never recovered.
[deleted] ยท 97 points ยท Posted at 23:33:13 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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evil_con_carne ยท 22 points ยท Posted at 01:28:17 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
As useless as nipples on a batsuit.
SoraXes ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:01:54 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ayy cyanide
Freakears ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 05:43:08 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And then tried to justify it with some bullshit about Greek statuary.
Mitchie-San ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:30:32 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Don't forget the gratuitous ass shot, too.
west2021 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 10:19:52 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They have curved swords. Curved. Swords
Yes_Indeed ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 06:06:50 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hey, gay men and women like Batman too!
tunnel-snakes-rule ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 07:03:00 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Gay Batman fan here. I loathe that fucking movie.
Yes_Indeed ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:47:10 on January 4, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Sure, it's a terrible movie. The Bat-Nips had nothing to do with that.
tunnel-snakes-rule ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:14:07 on January 4, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They certainly didn't help.
lynnspiracy-theories ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:25:48 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's an allegory for how cold Gotham is.
Because Gotham is pretty nippy.
TheScottymo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:50:49 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My gf actually bitched about that in her sleep a while back.
Dynamiklol ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:16:40 on January 4, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The Bat Suit had nipples on it before he got ahold of the franchise.
savax7 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:55:02 on January 4, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Source? Keaton's Batsuit didn't. http://comicsalliance.com/files/2014/06/Untitled-183.jpg
Furoan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:47:15 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well yeah, they are there for when he's having Bat Sex with Cat Woman.
BuzzedBeelzebub ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 05:31:06 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The male batsuit, not the female batsuit.
xahnel ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 14:17:04 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Also, both batman and robin had batnips. But Batgirl didn't.
ThePegasi ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 19:54:16 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"Character."
MisterTruth ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 19:26:13 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If you only think of Batman and Robin as camp, it's actually decent. Not good, but a fun movie to watch if you're into campy humor.
CaitlinSarah87 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 21:28:57 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'll only watch the Rifftrax version of Batman and Robin :)
TheMarMar ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:48:18 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Welp, time to go visit the RiffTrax website again. :)
IronOhki ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:30:21 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Meanwhile back at stately Wayne manor...
ruinersclub ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 19:25:52 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I actually like Batman Forever.
salenth ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 19:37:51 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
In truth, me too. But Batman and Robin was a travesty.
Mrminecrafthimself ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 21:07:22 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Batman Forever was goofy, yes. But Batman and Robin was just plain stupid.
senor_top_hat ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:06:54 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I thought they were trying to bring back the campy batman with "batman and robin" so I enjoyed it and still watch it here and there.
I think one problem was that they went from campy West -> dark Keaton -> serious Kilmer -> goofy Clooney.
williamhgacy ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:09:09 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
But he did lost boys, and gave us saxman!
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:19:13 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The 60s show did the same thing years earlier and he recovered from that.
salenth ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 20:27:47 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Adam West Batman was great! It fit the tone of the comic at the time.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:54:17 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I actually like his Batman movies. They are fun, campy and don't take themselves too seriously. I love a more serious batman as much as the next need, but come on- it's a dude who dresses as a bat and beats up criminals who dress as clowns, plants and penguins. You need to have a little fun with it. If it's too serious, we get "The Dark Knight rises".
tunnel-snakes-rule ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:03:52 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
In his defense, he fucked it up so badly they cancelled the sequel Batman Triumphant allowing the whole series to be rebooted sooner than it probably would otherwise.
mdmiles19 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:34:14 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Batman Forever wasn't so bad, give him a little credit.
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 20:06:00 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Better than Tim Burton's attrocity of a Penguin. That Penguin made me feel bad for the comic version. Catwoman was at least the good thing about it.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:19:14 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The 60s show did the same thing years earlier and he recovered from that.
Fontaine42 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 02:38:53 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
As an avid batman fan, I fucking love that movie
CrazyKirby97 ยท 569 points ยท Posted at 17:59:20 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Kaepora Gaebora. Nobody knows who that is but as soon as they google it they'll immediately realize who I'm talking about.
[deleted] ยท 130 points ยท Posted at 18:33:47 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That stupid fucking owl, no I don't want to hear your long ass speech a second time
CrazyKirby97 ยท 117 points ยท Posted at 18:34:24 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
oops did you mean you do
Leostar23 ยท 72 points ยท Posted at 21:22:54 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Do you not want to don't hear what I said again?
Yes <- No
detectiveriggsboson ยท 41 points ยท Posted at 18:38:56 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"Wait, isn't that the goddamn owl?"
click
"That goddamn owl."
Ninjahkin ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 20:32:19 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Dat reversible upside-down face, doe.
thurawer ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 19:42:35 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Midi double reed instrument. So much midi double reed instrument.
Yes.
More midi double reed instrument.
[deleted] ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 23:18:27 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
His theme music was sick though
ASCIt ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:00:45 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm a big fan of this version
SheeEttin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:58:00 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What's the point of remixing a melody if you're just going to drown it out with drums?
captainedwinkrieger ยท 22 points ยท Posted at 21:30:03 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Plenty of people know who Kaepora Gaebora is. Don't do the whole trivia quiz Buzzfeed thing
cthulhushrugged ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 10:43:38 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You Won't Believe #17! I Was Cracking Up At #67! And #563 Had Me In Tears!
[deleted] ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 20:37:55 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I took that as a personal insult! Don't test me on my Zelda knowledge!
gebora ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 23:44:01 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't often see my namesake mentioned on Reddit :D
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 01:42:56 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The only reason anyone hates him is because OoT is a game that a lot of people revisit often, so when Kaepora Gabora shows up to offer that tutorial you've seen 10+ times, you mash A to get through it and the infamous problem arises. It is your own fault that you don't watch out for this because everyone already knows about it. All you've gotta do is pay attention, no one complains about long winded tutorials on other classic video games.
"Would you like to hear all of that again?"
Jah_Ith_Ber ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 00:50:56 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You got me.
Skayj2 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 01:43:30 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Fuck off I love Kaepora Gaebora.
His theme is awesome.
iynque ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 03:36:38 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The owl from the Zelda series. We know.
Would you like to hear that again?
Sno_Wolf ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 00:48:43 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
THAT GODDAMNED FUCKING I'M-INCAPABLE-OF-SHUTTING-THE-FUCKING-FUCK-UP SHITASSING OWL!!!
kill_em_all90 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:19:40 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Would you like to hear this 20 min speech again?
CatchEmAllXY ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:29:03 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I actually liked Kaepora Gaebora but that's probably because I like owls
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:03:23 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Damn if that melody ain't memorable though.
cody4king ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:41:02 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I could never understand which direction his head was facing. Half the time it looked upside down, then he'd flip it and I'd lose my shit!
cappz3 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:09:26 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
But he's the light sage in disguise..
Hardin_of_Akaneia ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:49:17 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Fuck Rauru.
theinsanepotato ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:15:03 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Literally everybody knows that is. At least everybody thats ever played a LoZ game.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:46:40 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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theinsanepotato ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:40:47 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He's named in the booklet of each game he comes in, some of the games do explicitly name him during scenes he appears in (though, granted, not in OoT where he is BEST know from, but in others), several other characters talk about him and mention his name throughout the series, and in SS, the headmaster of the flight school is named after him, and modeled to look like a humanized (Hylian-ized?) version of him.
CrazyKirby97 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 02:21:42 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The idea was nobody would recognize the name until they googled it, creating suspense and then an anticlimax.
theinsanepotato ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:43:25 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, and thats utterly wrong. Literally everyone who's ever played a Zelda game ever knows who that is without needing to google it.
You might as well say "Oh, I dont like the Deku Tree! But I bet you guys dont know who that is without googling it."
CrazyKirby97 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:14:38 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Kaepora is very well known but nobody knows him by name.
theinsanepotato ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:10:59 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Where are you getting this information from? Seriously, youre just pulling this out of your ass and SAYING no one knows him by name. I just went on FB messenger and asked like 12 people, most of whom arent even zelda fans. They ALL knew (or at least had a pretty good idea) of who Kaepora was, just by hearing his name, without me having to tell them anything. Even the one who was most unsure said "Isnt he that annoying eagle thing from Zelda?"
I go to anime/geek culture cons about 8 times a year and I do a few different panels, one of which is a LoZ mythology panel. EVERYONE knows who Kaepora is, just by name. If you show them a picture, theyll be able to TELL you his name. I have never ONCE had ANYONE who was even remotely confused as to who that was or what his name is, out of the multiple thousands of people that I have spoken in front of over the last ten years of con attendance.
Go on Gamefaqs, or a game-related FB group, ANY subreddit even remotely related to games. EVERYONE knows exactly who youre talking about. I have an old college buddy whos never even FINISHED any LoZ game; he's only played MM part way through (and that was over a decade ago) and even HE knows who kaepora is. My 7 year old cousin knows who that is. My 62 year old DAD knows who that is, and he's never even PLAYED a video game.
Literally EVERYONE knows who kaepora Gaebora is. Stop trying to act like youre the special-est of fucking snowflakes because you know an incredibly common piece of video game trivia, that literally everyone else on the planet thats heard of LoZ knows.
Get over it.
CrazyKirby97 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 00:59:07 on January 4, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Jesus, there's nothing to "get over."
I came up with the generally safe (and, according to other comments, correct) assumption that I could create the scenario of "who the fu- OH THIS FUCKER."
I have no idea what the hell you're talking about, but you're obviously convinced you're in an argument when nothing is even happening.
theinsanepotato ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:09:14 on January 4, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No, you came up with the assumption that you could try and look smart by showing off what you thought was an obscure or not well known piece of trivia, and you ended up just looking like a jackass.
Basically all that happened was that you went "Hey, look at this thing I know! Arent I SOOOOO awesome for knowing it? I bet NOBODY else knew this, so IM cool for knowing!" And then everyone else on the planet went "uhh... we all know that. Thats not obscure or hard at all. Literally EVERYONE knows that. You might as well be trying to show off because you knew that Han Solos ship is named the millenium falcon. Literally every single person on earth knows this thing, and you think youre so cool for knowing it."
TL;DR version: You thought you were cool because you knew what kaeporas name was and you thought nobody else did, when in reality EVERYONE knows that, and you basically just looked like an ass. The end.
CrazyKirby97 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:19:13 on January 4, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I didn't even know his name. I had to google "that owl motherfucker from ocarina of time."
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:14:11 on January 4, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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CrazyKirby97 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 01:18:05 on January 4, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I was just commenting on the fact that he only says his name like once in the game, while most characters say it a hundred times. Obviously, whether he says it is irrelevant because we all skipped his text.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:47:26 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Link...Good to see you again!
anthrax_ripple ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:25:35 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
-AAAAAAAAAA- FUCK
cid73 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:03:46 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Just read it a few posts above man. You are not alone
MelSchlemming ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:28:48 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Cool little fact - Kaepora Gaebora is the Temple of Light sage, Rauru.
TheGreatNico ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:46:44 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I haven't played that game in ten fucking years, and I can still hear that fucking music at the mention of his name.
jtbhv2 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:59:00 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Are you sure you didn't get all that?
stardustmz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:59:58 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He just looooves to hear himself talk. sigh
cptjmshook ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:38:39 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I know who that is because I once wrote a fanfic about Mario and Link trapped in the Aperture Science Enrichment Center. In iambic pentameter. I'm a nerd.
CrazyKirby97 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:15:00 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Kaepora Sphere. Holy shit.
Gtyyler ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:53:54 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Counter him with the b button.
DiaDeLosMuertos ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:07:50 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I knew it was from Zelda but I get the name confused with
KamekKoume and KoutakeEdit: I was like 'i think I got that right without looking' but nah.
TheMurderCapitalist ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:28:48 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
A quick refresher for the uninitiated: https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/14/3a/d9/143ad918525894771902d1b20d15a3de.jpg
Damisu ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:44:52 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Do you want to hear that again?
Yes
Yes
Sarcastic
Sean
underwriter ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:01:07 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
the fucking owl
msmeowsers ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:18:35 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Dear GOD I came here to write that fuckers name down! The second I saw someone else remembers him it was like a moment of "I swear I'm not crazy- that douche was there and his name was seriously Kaepora Gaebora!" He was worse than navi. I would try soooo hard to sneak past him. Never managed it.
CrazyKirby97 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:14:01 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Navi never bothered me because I actually used her tips. Kaepora was a piece of shit and nobody listened to him.
CreamyHampers ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:00:11 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
People know who he is, stop that!
Lukose_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:21:46 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Now, did you get all that?
YES NO
Tylensus ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:26:49 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
TFW googling didn't help because you've never played any of the Legend of Zelda games. :c
bodaciousthepotato ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:14:19 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Oh i know exactly who the fuck that is and god damn that owl can never just shut the fuck up.
FiveVidiots ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:29:47 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Would you like to hear that again?
>Yes
>No
jwktiger ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:08:20 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
only knew it because two posts above you gives out its name
infernal_llamas ยท 129 points ยท Posted at 20:52:26 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The entire cast of M. Night Shamalan's abomination that stole the names from the last airbender
yea_tht_dnt_go_there ยท 39 points ยท Posted at 02:23:56 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
There is no ATLA movie within the walls of Ba Sing Sei.
KeepOnScrollin ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 03:01:28 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
The Earth King has invited you to /r/lakelaogai.
theniceguytroll ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 06:28:49 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The earth King has invited you for spelling lessons at /r/lakelaogai
KeepOnScrollin ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 06:36:46 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Dammit, I even looked it up to make sure I spelled it correctly.
shawnisboring ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 00:45:10 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They only stole a few, half of them they didn't even pronounce right.
subarctic_guy ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 06:31:37 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
everything about it was wr-aang
IronOhki ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 06:35:20 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Avatar state! Yip yip!
snarlingpanda ยท 80 points ยท Posted at 18:52:55 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No mention of Nikki and Paolo?
mrpunaway ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 20:19:18 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You Lost me.
Chicken-n-Waffles ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 23:19:09 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I have to go back to remember who they are.
mrpunaway ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 00:09:14 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Their roles are kind of buried in the plot.
[deleted] ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 20:47:26 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think Ana Lucia is more fitting here. Or that Ceasar guy that lasted 2 episodes.
Nikki and Paolos episode is actually pretty great when you are bingewatching, just not when you are waiting a week between episodes.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 23:00:56 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I really despise Ana Lucia because she kills Libby and Shannon, seduces and tricks Sawyer, and is just a general bitch whenever she is on screen. But she's meant to be hated as a secondary/tertiary antagonist.
Nikki and Paolo are just fucking annoying pointless characters and nothing in their episode has anything to do with the rest of the show. You can skip it on a binge marathon and lose absolutely nothing.
big_hungry_joe ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 00:29:34 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
michael killed libby
dossier ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 05:09:09 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah Nikki and Paulo were annoying on the Island, but they had a cool back story. Fuck Michael, he is so much easier to hate. Partly bc of the Libby incident, but mostly because of "WALLLLLLLLT! THEY TOOK. MY SON!"
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:02:18 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Sawyer was also meant to be hated but I see nothing but praise for him. Ben Linus was also a villain that everybody loved.
I just think Ana Lucia was a higly unpopular character. I didn't mind her at all but she doesn't come close to the other characters. People didn't love to hate her, they just hated her.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:05:35 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Sawyer was a dick until like Season 2, even hiding Shannon's inhaler when she needed it. But he learns to work with the group(s) and his character arc grows throughout the show because of things he learns about his past. He might have been hated at the start, but he's an awesome character by the end. My cat is even named Sawyer.
Ben is a character you love to hate because he's manipulative and scheming, and not just a villain that does bad things for the hell of it. You also sympathize with him because of what he went through as a child.
Ana Lucia, in my opinion, didn't have much of an arc to be cared about one way or another. She was a bitchy cop back home and now she tries to be a powertrip on the island. She doesn't really grow as a character, which is why people hate her.
skyturnedred ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 20:21:10 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Everyone has done their best to forgot about them.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 12:44:49 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I just hate the writers of Lost. I sincerely believed they knew what they were doing/where they were going. Worst ending ever.
Iganlis ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:28:18 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They got what they deserved.
Big_D_Squirrels ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:29:21 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Who in the fuck?..
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 23:01:48 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Random ass characters on LOST that for no reason got their own episode.
DashCat9 ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 01:00:52 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think it's great that they got their own episode. They could have just randomly killed them, but they explained what they were trying to do with the characters, acknowledged that it didn't work, and killed them in the most brutal way possible, basically looking the viewers in the eye and saying "Happy now?".
Big_D_Squirrels ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:05:01 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Wait that happened? I seem to have.. lost those memories. Probably for the best though.
Z_Kell ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 19:20:42 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Seymour Guado - Final Fantasy 10
SamLarson ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 07:02:22 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
HOLY FUCK! THAT GUY!
I forgot about him for so long, hiding him behind the faces of Joffrey, Umbridge and so many more. What's worse is I don't know what I really hate about him. Is it his voice? The face that never moves or emotes? The hair more ridiculous than Wakka's? The fact he kept trying to get Yuna after she said no, and after numerous attempts to murder her and her friends?
I don't know but fuck that guy.
Z_Kell ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:13:16 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Felt so good wrecking said fool. He was such a creep.
InfectionRising ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 21:05:22 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Fucking Gaeta.
madhatter160 ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 03:50:09 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Sure he was a traitor, but he had depth and the dude was a decent actor. I liked what he brought to the show.
Now, if we're talking BSG I'd have to say William Adama from Blood & Chrome. What a let down.
Carl_teh_capybara ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 00:58:34 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What about gauis frakkingg baltar
UnknownQTY ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:23:06 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You shut your mouth.
justec1 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 06:53:11 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Before New Caprica, Gaeta was a good character. After his accident, he was just a sulking mess. It was a courtesy that they gave him a bullet.
Edit:word
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:49:57 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It was a mutual exchange of bullets.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 18:07:49 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:24:50 on January 15, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He already got a reprieve for that. He wasn't executed by the vigilante squad Starbuck led (after the escape from New Caprica) because of his contribution to the resistance.
Mr_Times ยท 852 points ยท Posted at 20:21:03 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The Minions, way too much over exposure, and they are so god damn annoying
imadandylion ยท 509 points ยท Posted at 21:48:41 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
the worst part is, they were actually pretty funny in the first Despicable Me.
DrSmoke ยท 87 points ยท Posted at 01:02:30 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
The worst part is, they have nothing to do with Despicable Me at all. "Minions" is just something the marketing department came up with, and was waiting around to be attached to a movie.
Despicable Me was pitched as a Live Action movie. They made animated, and put in the Minions because they knew it would make money.
Source: Max Landis
https://youtu.be/erdqjgLAEiM?t=166
Long video, but its worth it.
imadandylion ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 01:24:12 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
sounds interesting, i'll be sure to watch it when i have time. i still think they worked pretty well in the film though, they didn't feel shoe horned in.
this_do3snt_matter ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:48:20 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Wow I was not expecting to delve into a story of self exploration and be so goddamn inspired from a minion video
arachnabitch ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:02:57 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I actually really loved that video. Do you know where I can find more videos like it?
Dreamcaster1 ยท 64 points ยท Posted at 22:00:55 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
They're funny in small doses, but to make a whole movie about them is just ridiculous.
practicing_vaxxer ยท 48 points ยท Posted at 00:51:38 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's like eating a whole head of garlic because garlic is delicious.
Wild_Marker ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 22:40:52 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I thought the movie was ok. I wasn't exposed to the overexposure, other than maybe seeing merchandising around, so for me it was just a goofy movie and that was it.
Ghost51 ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 23:28:45 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
At that point they are just cashing in on the 10 year olds, middle aged parents and grandparents demographic.
xzenocrimzie ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 07:48:45 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Their funny what? sorry for being an ass please forgive me
iamtheowlman ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 00:12:51 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That was the sad part. You just knew those cute little Tic Tacs were going to be exploited like a teenage runaway when you first saw them, but couldn't help liking them even so.
Now they aren't even bothering to flash the merchandise as they stand on the street corner because they know everyone wants a piece.
DrSmoke ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 01:02:58 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I can just fine.
schloopers ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 02:23:05 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And they weren't the focus of the first one. The first one had a good story. Too good actually. It pissed me off, seeing him learn how to be a father to daughters, and then comparing my dad to my sisters.
The second one was 3/4 minions. It'll only get worse
StealthNL ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 23:49:06 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, in the context of Despicable Me, they're awesome.
In literally any other context: Fuck them
TONKAHANAH ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 03:24:46 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
they're funny in all their movies, thats why they got so damn popular so damn quick.. its out side of their movies that they're trash.
Hxcfrog090 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 01:49:55 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I literally had a laughing fit during the first movie. Couldn't breath, was crying, all because those stupid little yellow guys found a fart gun.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:11:20 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I hated them from the get go. I also disliked the first despicable me movie, but not just because of the minions.
xahnel ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:20:50 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, because they were what they were supposed to be: funny little one dimensional side characters. Then they took center stage, and people forget that the movies are actually about a man trying to stop being a bad guy so he can become a good father.
smartzie ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 22:47:43 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I loved them in the first movie. I thought they were hilarious little side characters. Now they're everywhere, like a yellow virus. They killed it for me. :(
chrisjjs300 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 00:03:02 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
-insert middle-aged mom joke with unrelated Minion next to it-
290077 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:48:37 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Kinda like 4chan and Pepe the frog
MagicBandAid ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 22:07:05 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They make sense as background characters, but I never understood people's obsession with them.
Plus, the spinoff movie destroys my theory that they're homunculi created by Dr. Nefario.
PM_ME_MARE_ANUS_PICS ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 23:20:48 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
There were blueprints for the Minions in Gru's lab (IIRC) showing they were made from experiments on corn kernels. Gru also knew the name of every single Minion because he was the one who made them.
The spin-off simply 'ignored' this and basically left the implication that the minions are just going to ditch the girls and everyone else the moment he dies, because that's exactly what they did with their former leaders.
Fumblerful- ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 23:33:44 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They literally would have helped Hitler in a heart beat.
MagicBandAid ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:54:49 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Corn kernels. That's pretty funny. And significantly less grotesque than the malformed fetuses in rubber skins that I imagined.
DrSmoke ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:03:19 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They're designed to appeal to the masses.
Rocpile94 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 23:21:20 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Pissed they got a movie over the aliens from Toy Story
OldGodsAndNew ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 23:47:04 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The little green men are good because they stayed in the background though. They minions would still be good if their stupid fucking yellow faces weren't plastered over every goddamm product in existence
KerryAnnCrossing ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 05:07:03 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I still like them, I don't know I think they're cute and I try to look past the marketing. I live near a boardwalk where they would always have minion prizes in the claw games and my boyfriend would always win me them. It's one of the happier memories that I have.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 08:55:17 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's so sweet.
celestial1 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 00:59:44 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Shout out to /r/minionhate and /r/wackytictacs.
Troggie42 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:55:15 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Also /r/reallywackytictacs.
That one... Tread carefully.
TDawgSays ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 02:58:55 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah I'm fairly certain they don't need shutouts. Nice karma grab though.
celestial1 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:18:50 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Okay.
UndeadShawn ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:15:10 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
r/minionhate
juanes3020 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:30:32 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Banana?
PC509 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:42:42 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Loved them in the first one. Then, it became an obsession for many. Then - huge overexposure for the massive profits. That's what killed it for me.
Yes, they were funny. They were just way overdone and are now extremely annoying. Sad, too. They were so great in moderation.
Katm234 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:07:19 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ok, but does that movie even qualify as nerd culture?
DrSmoke ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:06:49 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Minions were not originally in Despicable me. That script was a live action movie, bought just to sell Minions Merch.
https://youtu.be/erdqjgLAEiM?t=166
PervertedOldMan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:59:42 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I drilled the eyes out of my McDonald's minion toy and replaced them with red LEDs. He no longer said banana after that.
rn10950 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:05:44 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Was that the one that supposedly said "What the fuck"?
mfp32 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:22:27 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They're very despicable.
BeastOfCircumstance ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:31:32 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Although I can totally see how annoying they can be, I loved the amount of underhanded adult humor in the minions movie. Kinda Shrek-esque.
metaknight95 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:49:50 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
How the fuck are they a part of nerd culture?
Derp-herpington ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:37:10 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I admit they were funny and cute fun at first and got a couple of laughs from me.... then the memes came...
DashCat9 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:57:26 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Sometimes I'm convinced that I'm the only person (other than a friend) over the age of 12 that loves pretty much all things Minions.
[deleted] ยท 407 points ยท Posted at 17:30:41 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
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Aruu ยท 93 points ยท Posted at 21:28:56 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I liked Vinny.
I was prepared to hate him because reasons, but he really was a very sweet and thoughtful character. Especially when he talked about the death of his previous owner, and how he felt at home with the Griffins.
And then he helped Stewie get Brian back, despite that meaning that he would never get taken in by the Griffins. That's a pretty selfless move.
Jazz-Cigarettes ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 00:48:38 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I thought he was hilarious because he was voiced by Paulie from the Sopranos, and he was just an excuse for the writers to make a ton of extra Sopranos-style jokes about semi-psychotic mobsters. But I'm sure that a lot of that was related to how much I love the Sopranos and I can see how it wouldn't land well for anyone watching who didn't have that perspective on it.
[deleted] ยท 183 points ยท Posted at 17:54:29 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I felt like that dude on Misfits was doing his best, but Nathan was a hard act to follow.
Elricked ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 00:12:17 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Save me Barry!
chubbychunk ยท 30 points ยท Posted at 18:58:22 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Robert Sheehan (Nathan) is pure gold in anything he plays. Such a stellar actor, he never gets the recognition he deserves.
razman7altacc ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:28:16 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Can you recommend anything else that has him? Have only ever seen him in misfits but he remains one of my favorite characters ever.
chubbychunk ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 08:22:23 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Cherrybomb is what instantly springs to mind.
Westiron ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:12:45 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It also has Ron Weasley.
Scumbag__ ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:06:59 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not sure if it'll translate well to anyone outside of Ireland, but Love/Hate. He plays a serious role though, I think it's on American Netflix too but I'm not sure.
thebondoftrust ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:19:27 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Killing Bono is pretty decent.
Bigfourth ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 23:18:50 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I liked the replacement more...he seemed like just enough of a shitty person to be one of my friends
tenofclubs86 ยท 27 points ยท Posted at 18:35:29 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I had to stop watching when they replaced Nathan, the whole show changed so much after that. Still, at least we know where Ramsey Bolton got his big break.
jay_jay203 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:51:02 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
holy fuck! i love both of those shows but i never made the connection until you mentioned it!
Westiron ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:11:39 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
haha How did you not see Barry was Ramsey?
NotFuzz ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 04:30:16 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I know a few people that like Rudy just fine.
Noslek ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 23:45:16 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I actually prefer Rudy to Nathan, I seemed to find the things he said/did funnier.
Team_Braniel ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 02:02:17 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Nathan was amazing but Rudy was a more deep and dynamic character. I love them both.
Po_TheTeletubby ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 07:38:02 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Nathan was hilarious but if you stick with Rudy through his journey, you realize how much better of an actor he is than Nathan. His character progression is phenomenal. Not saying Nathan's wasn't but Rudy was a way more complex character.
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 02:38:59 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Rudy was amazing. I found him adorable and hilarious. I loved shy, sweet Rudy and his juxtaposed "evil" self.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:54:26 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The best was when the cheerleaders were eating that chick in the bathroom and he just slowly closes the door with the disgusted look.
NachozRule ยท 59 points ยท Posted at 19:23:17 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't think Brian's replacement was bad, but it was dumb that there was a replacement in the first place.
TheChickening ยท 24 points ยท Posted at 00:04:45 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well, it was a 2 or 3 episode long PR gag, and I tought it was pretty funny, but that was mostly due to that guy who got a R.I.P. Brian tattoo.
Or when someone mentioned the different dog and Peter's just like "Yeah, he speaks Italian now or something", as if he doesn't care aswell.
Katm234 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:05:41 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
link?
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:25:00 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
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ialo00130 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:37:27 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
RIP Brian tattoo guy, I think
Pokegamer ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:40:54 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Here ya go
Keundrum ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:55:35 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It was literally just to make fans concerned. His replacement was never intended to last.
anotherglassofwine ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 19:05:47 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I thought Rudy was a fantastic character, but I think Nathan's departure fucked the show runners' plans for the ASBO Shitheads. So even with how great Joe Gilgun's Rudy was, the show started to circle the drain. Then it went absolutely to shit.
MrStonage ยท 41 points ยท Posted at 18:18:49 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Rudy? Most people I know thought he was as good as Nathan
Vertexico ยท 27 points ยท Posted at 18:25:34 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He got better when he stopped trying to pretend to be Nathan.
Lord_Vectron ยท 23 points ยท Posted at 20:05:50 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think the general consensus of people that watched all of the show is that Nathan was irreplaceable, Rudy was great, but he was unfortunate enough to replace Nathan.
Honestly if it started with Rudy and he got replaced by Nathan in the same circumstances the reaction would have most likely been the same. You can't just replace irreplaceable characters.
I know a few people that didn't even give the show a chance after Nathan left. They're missing out, but I get it.
razman7altacc ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:25:57 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
In my opinion Rudy remained incredible while the show slowly started to spiral out of control. First two seasons are incredible, season 3 is still good, can't even remember the rest tbh.
MrStonage ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:38:49 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I thought the final season was great to be fair
Inferzo ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:30:14 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Agreed. I don't know about you though but I felt like season 4 was the weakest one: all of the original cast (bar Curtis, who imo was really boring in that season) had gone and we were getting bombarded with these new characters. Many people give up while watching season 4 but I consider it as more of a set-up to the final season.
Ninjahkin ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 20:29:30 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Seemed like that dog was meant to be temporary, though. Probably just to stir media attention or something.
Mecha_Derp ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 21:20:11 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I liked the replacement dog just because it was voiced by Paulie Walnuts from Sopranos
underworldambassador ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 20:36:43 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Don't shit on Rudy and Rudy
imadandylion ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:47:39 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
do people hate Rudi? i thought he just got a bad rep because he had to fill some huge boots. i thought he did a better job than anyone else could have in his position.
DaveSW777 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 19:38:05 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What replacement? Misfits was only 12 episodes long. Imagine if it kept going, and they did something really stupid like kill off the entire cast and give them all new, shittier powers.
Duke_Thunderkiss ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:51:52 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You need to give Uncle Rudy another chance. Once he comes into his own as a character, I feel that he is actually superior to Nathan. (I loved Nathan BTW)
tetr4d ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:00:00 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah that was a wasted few episodes on Family Guy. Also Brian coming back was kind of whack too. They should have just either not killed him at all and come up with another story arch, or just killed him and not replaced him.
GoldenWizard ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 19:44:08 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I actually liked Vinny better than Brian...
Khers ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 18:39:38 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Rudy was just as good as Nathan.
Jealentuss ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:08:37 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Haha at first I thought you meant Glenn Danzig
GhandiHadAGrapeHead ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:24:21 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Rudy was genuinely just as funny as Nathan. Hilarious.
calum326 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:17:36 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Roody.
naimnotname ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:57:51 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
WHOA. WHOA.
People LIKE Rudy.
vaminos ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:06:33 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
SAVE ME BARRY
Mxfish1313 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:59:40 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I loved Nathan but I thought Rudy was fanfuckingtastic.
Redditor5StandingBy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:12:58 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Is family guy really considered Nerd culture?
terklo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:49:17 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Rudy was seriously my favorite character of that entire show.
Alarmed_Ferret ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:59:34 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What, you mean the less whiny, self-absorbed, repugnant beast? I wish that bastard had stayed, now it's just "I'm the only liberal voice of reason, everyone should listen to me, I went from being a mentor for everyone else on the show to a walking punchline who would fuck Lois in an instant even though she's the wife of the very man who rescued me from the brink of starvation and took me in his home and adopted me like I was his own god damn brother" Brian?
theoldnewbluebox ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:47:39 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I thought vinnie was great...
Dumb_Dick_Sandwich ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:20:47 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I feel like Misfits started going downhill after season 2, and people just use Nathan leaving as a scapegoat
Octo_Reggie ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:23:13 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Vinny?
tatsuedoa ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:43:13 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah Vinny was just too hard of a shot for "racist, stereotypical goomba " I can Atleast agree with Brian's shit from time to time, Vinny just wouldn't shut the fuck up.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:50:35 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Who replaced Rudy?
jackaboo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:57:29 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You mean Rudy for misfits? People love him! Some prefer him to Nathan.
Matrillik ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:35:38 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I thought Rudy did a great job filling in for comic relief. He wasn't quite as funny, but still great.
CreamyHampers ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:02:59 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I wish they would bring Vinnie back. He was hilarious.
"Ay everybody! We got a funny sandwich ova here! FUUUUUCK YOU!"
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:17:49 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Stopped watching misfits once Nathan was gone.
damnyouall2hell ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:41:45 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No one can replace nathan
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:51:04 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
bringing the dog back on family guy was the bad part
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:46:49 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Or just season 3 onward of Family Guy is arguably hated.
8eat-mesa ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 22:54:39 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Honestly they overdid how annoying Nathan was on Misfits. Rudy was actually pretty great.
The_Whiley_One ยท 776 points ยท Posted at 17:51:48 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Navi from Legend of Zelda. At first she was okay. But then she...wouldn't stop...just "hey!", "listen!" Until the day I die, this will be one of reasons why I don't play Ocarina of Time anymore.
Still, one of the best games I've ever played, 10/10
Edit: added that I loved the game, just not Navi.
๐๏ธ proggybreaks ยท 639 points ยท Posted at 17:55:50 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Also the owl. "Would you like to hear that again?" "Yes. Wait nononono!"
Ah_Q ยท 283 points ยท Posted at 18:32:15 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The owl is way worse than Navi
jsnlxndrlv ยท 264 points ยท Posted at 19:00:34 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He has a NAME, guys: Kaepora Gaebora. He'd thank you to remember it, because it's just as long-winded as he is.
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 22:01:41 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Best theme song though.
jsnlxndrlv ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 22:18:17 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I will fight you in the name of The Song of Storms. And by "fight you", I mean I will shriek incoherently before draping my horrible body over your twitching form.
Semper_nemo13 ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 20:17:22 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He is also the sage of light.
Pangolin007 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 21:01:15 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
SPOILERS god damn
derfw ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:23:46 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Wait..........what??
I thought the sage of light was that old dude
TheFreaky ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:25:47 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's implied he transformed to guide you and to hide from Ganondorf
Dzjill ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:54:22 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Really?
ninjapro ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:48:03 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, really
Blipblipbloop ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 08:26:12 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They're one and the same. There's a gossip stone in OoT that says something like "they say the owl named Kaepora Gaebora is the reincarnation of an ancient sage."
blamb211 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:05:28 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Since when??
Ninjahkin ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 20:27:56 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
More like Kaepora GAYbora, amirite?
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:19:17 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Holy fucking shit, get out of my head man
Aardvark_Man ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:20:43 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The owl would have been okay if you could skip it more effectively, and they didn't keep changing the position of yes/no when they asked if you want to hear it again.
As it was, slowly skipping forward, mashing the button to try and move quickly, then having to repeat the lot sucked balls.
uranus_be_cold ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:31:49 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not if you press B. No, wait, that's only if you press "yes" to "do you want to hear that again"
kingfrito_5005 ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 19:33:02 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It doesn't follow you for the whole game.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:41:56 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And they'd fucking switch it sometimes too, so that on one text box the yes would be on the left, then next time you talked to him it was on the right, so you expect it to be the other way and it fucks you over.
iFinity ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:23:02 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Link and owl
x21in2010x ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:12:55 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Reminds me of the comic
TheMightyIrishman ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:59:54 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I might be called old for this, but I've been reading Kaepora Gaebora's little quips of wisdom and lore since Link Awakens for GB. I'm more tolerant of him since I've been playing for so long, and don't mind re-reading he text when I replay any game. Navi is... Navi. Few things compare to the frustration Navi causes me.
LegacyLemur ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:37:10 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And I'm not mistaken, a lot of Kaepora Gaebora's stuff is skippable. Unlike the owl from Link's Awakening
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:41:47 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, fuck that owl!
EDIT: Sorry spent too much time on /r/fuckyou
manamachine ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:22:50 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
But his theme song was cool.
Cryzgnik ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:08:38 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's your own fault though. Navi does things whether or not you tell her to.
APsWhoopinRoom ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:01:28 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Whoever made the default answer to that question "yes" was a cruel motherfucker. I got caught in way too many owl loops back in the day
mbdjd ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:25:45 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That time when the owl flies in just as you get into Hyrule Field for the first time... FUCK OFF.
scealfada ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:43:29 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This is why I never finished Ocarina of Time.
I kept ending up in that area somehow and talking to the Owl for whatever reason. I'd try to skip through to the right point, but always overestimated the button pushes needed. I remember one time going through the Owl dialogue at least 5 times before I went and took a break to cool down.
I have almost no other memories of this game.
The_Whiley_One ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:19:09 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
GAH I FORGOT ABOUT THE FUCKING OWL
psycho-logical ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 03:11:30 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"Would you not like to not have me repeat that?"
It's like a goddamn logic puzzle.
(not what he actually said)
ceedubs2 ยท 304 points ยท Posted at 18:34:27 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Fi was much much much worse. I know Navi gets a bad rep just because Navi-bashing has been going on since like . . . 1998. But at least she lets up after the first few levels. Fi never shuts the fuck up. "I FUCKING GET IT, FI. I HAVE LOW HEALTH. I GOT THAT WHEN I SAW I HAD TWO HEARTS AND THE LOW HEALTH ALARM STARTED GOING OFF. YOU DON'T HAVE TO FUCKING TELL ME EVERY SINGLE FUCKING TIME!"
[deleted] ยท 125 points ยท Posted at 19:30:01 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Total waste of such a cool design.
Midna 4eva
Taervon ยท 65 points ยท Posted at 22:01:14 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Midna is one of my favorite sidekicks in fantasy.
She's an individual character who actually has a personality, while also being a video game advisor that's not only useful but also knows how to shut the fuck up.
I'm actually disappointed that Twilight Princess doesn't have further games in that timeline (AFAIK).
[deleted] ยท 24 points ยท Posted at 22:33:34 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Doesn't the Minish Cap use her? I'm pretty sure she's in at least one other game.
Edit: nevermind that's a talking bird hat.
Zeebuss ยท 23 points ยท Posted at 23:55:38 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Great edit
LinkDude80 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:21:19 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hey I loved Elzo.
Heroshade ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 23:47:13 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Also, those hips don't lie.
ProfessorMetallica ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 03:41:06 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Twilight Princess Link made me realize I was bi; I'm afraid to think about what Midna makes me.
LegacyLemur ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 04:39:14 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Midna was the best Zelda character in a long ass time.
I loved the design of the Twilight Realm in general. A lot of people complained about it being too bland but I thought it was kinda brilliant and really bizarre.
HillbillyMan ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:14:25 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Id have to check the hyrule historia but I think the original Zelda games take place in that time line. I'm probably wrong though.
petard ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 01:03:48 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Twilight Princess is in the "prime" timeline and takes place after Majora's Mask. Only four swords adventures takes place after TP.
LegacyLemur ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:41:05 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Nah, the originals take place in the timeline where Link loses in OoT. TP is the timeline where Link stops Ganon in the past at the beginning of OoT and the Wind Waker/cel shaded games take place in the timeline after Link is gone after sealing Ganon at the end of OoT
Twad_feu ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:59:24 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Midna was cute and had a snarky side a mile wide i really liked. Like Talt (of majora). I like my sidekicks when they got wit and bite.
holyjaw ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:59:23 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I loved everything about Twilight Princess except for the Twilight parts. When you're a wolf in a dark, muted world, the atmosphere they created just gets to me in the worst possible way. Hated it. Then I went on to hate the stupid treasure hunt search parts of Skyward Sword where it was the same feeling. Bleh.
LinkDude80 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:20:34 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
She has so much personality there wasn't enough room for anyone else in the game to develop one.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:36:35 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Fi is awesome in Hyrule Warriors.
ceedubs2 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:47:04 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I love Midna. Her and Tatl have their own character arc.
Calvinball05 ยท 36 points ยท Posted at 19:57:40 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Tatl was the easily the best fairy.
80_firebird ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 22:20:32 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And in my opinion about 95% of the reason for that is that a bell isn't nearly as annoying as "Hey! Listen!"
AggressiveChairs ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:36:03 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It sucks that the reason I liked Tatl so much is because it just didn't say much at all and just let me play the game.
I liked Majora's Mask because you just got on with the plot, rather than doing something stupid like having a two hour tutorial stage
COUGH TWILIGHT PRINCESS AHEM
I mean what?
petard ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:21:51 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The twilight princess tutorial was a bit long but the rest of the game was great. Skyward sword though. The tutorial never ended.
goochnorris ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 20:21:43 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Master! There's an 85% chance that this door opens into another room!
BlueHighwindz ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 21:33:32 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Bitch, there is a 100% chance your jaw gets busted if you say one more thing.
Hardin_of_Akaneia ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:51:19 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
There is a 70% chance that the object you are standing on is a cake.
Stupid_Pants ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 19:20:12 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hero your health is low. Do you have any food or potions?
Sir_Speshkitty ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 21:09:10 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Fable 2 loading screen tip: They say it was rumoured that the Hero of Oakvale murdered the Guildmaster and carved the words "Your health is low" into his forehead.
Rambler33 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:43:17 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I forgot how much I loved those games.
[deleted] ยท 23 points ยท Posted at 21:46:33 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 22:32:53 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think the game is unplayable - I think I dropped the controller and said "fuck it" when she had to explain to me that I there's an 80% chance that the weak spot of the spider is the huge glowing ruby on its body. The game is for people with Downs syndrome - I finished OoT at 9 without knowing English, so no help from characters, including Navi, so saying Skyward Sword is directed at kids is a big, fat, condescending lie.
LegacyLemur ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 04:45:07 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Its the only Zelda game I haven't finished. I was really disappointed. There's so many good spots and so many things in it, I personally think it may have had some of the best dungeon design in the series. But it was insufferably tedious and repetitive at so much of the game and the controls work whenever the hell they feel like it
tuxedotee ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:50:58 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It would have been one of my favorites except for that :(
Fuck fi
KingZant ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:16:52 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Skyward Sword rant inbound:
The most memorable positive things about Skyward Sword for me were the designs of certain characters and the musical score.
I never got used to the fucking way the Wiimote pointer worked. I really liked how the Wiimotion plus worked for controlling the sword movements and so on, but the fucking pointer itself was fucking AWFUL. WHY would it need to be RESET? It's like they knew it was awful and added that "feature" to compensate.
Every single area of that game was not memorable in the slightest. They all worked thematically: typical forest area, lake, desert, and so on, but their designs were mostly linear and bad. Pretty, yes. Driving? Nah. The mountain area was so bland I couldnt stand it. That's all I remember from that place: hating it.
The music was amazing. Almost all of it.
The (main) characters were beautiful. Too bad half of their personalities sucked. Link looks fine, Zelda's iteration in that game had my favorite design of all of them, Fi was cool as fuck on the surface but utterly wasted, Groose was gross but served his purpose well. Ghirahim was one of, if not the most well-designed character in that game. He was so carefully crafted. Demise was cool but had almost zero screentime. The dragons were ugly. And WHAT the FUCK were they thinking when it came to the design of a few of the characters in Skyloft? (I'M LOOKING AT YOU POTION SELLER)
Remember Koloktos? Of course you do- it was the only good boss in that game.
The mix of iffy mechanics and bad design left a bad taste in my mouth. As least I can wash it down with the three memorable characters and the soundtrack.
ButteredCopPorn ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 08:41:28 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ugh, God. The descriptions of each rupee bother me in particular. If I need to know how much a red rupee is worth, can't I just... look at my rupee total, and watch it go from 233 to 253?
bacloldrum ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 20:56:15 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Mahdee Madass "Master, I estimate a 97.4% probability that this female standing in front of you in the dress with blonde hair who is your age and looks just like Zelda, whom you saw when you began the game, is Zelda." ....thanks.
LegacyLemur ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:47:20 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Seriously, for a mystical mysterious goddess why the hell does she talk like C-3P0?
Pangolin007 ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 21:03:31 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yay! Someone else who hates Fi! In all honesty, Skyward Sword was kind of just a let down. It wasn't really that great, Fi was annoying, and, worst of all, there was stamina. I hate stamina. It never got in the way, just annoyed me. Run, run, run, oh wait, walk, ok, now run, now walk, oh fuck, wait to refill stamina, etc.
Also I hated how the sword points wherever the Wii remote is. It always looks stupid.
[deleted] ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 22:52:15 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I didn't even bother finishing the game. I believe I got to where you fight the big bad who isn't Ganondorf (seriously, why would you include every other iconic character in the fucking game except him?) and just didn't care anymore. I hated that creepy emo vampire thing that probably wants to have sex with Link, I hated the controls, I hated Fi, I hated trying to aim with the bow or trying to stab eyeball enemies like the scorpions, I just hated about everything they did in the game.
Except the sandship and that general area. Really fun design and the time crystal thing was pretty neat.
ceedubs2 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:01:18 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Oh, I loved Skyward Sword, Fi aside.
And as for Ganondorf? Man, he's like the villain in every game. I'm totally fine with Nintendo branching out with someone else. It can't always be the same guy. I'm fine with them trying new stuff. That's the main I like about Nintendo. They take these franchises and try new things with them.
petard ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:00:54 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think you were at the very end of the game. Were you fighting the guy with the fire hair on water in middle of nowhere? Cause that's the last thing in the game.
It was a terrible game though I had to force myself to finish.
Pangolin007 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:56:22 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Wait Ganondorf isn't even in the game? I did not know this. Ugh. I really, really wanted it to be a great game. But just disappointment awaited.
Somehow I still manage to have high hopes for Legend of Zelda 2016!! :'(
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:05:29 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Sorry I probably should have spoiler'd that despite it being an older game now, but yes, it's an embodiment of hatred or some stupid ass symbolic bullshit. In a LoZ game where the same formula has worked and been amazing for 30 goddamn years.
Roachyboy ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 03:33:05 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's literally the origin and explanation of the whole cycle. Demise is who is reincarnated as Ganondorf and it's his undying hatred which drives the entire continuation of the games
petard ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:27:11 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And that was all just a sentence or two at the end. The game overall was pretty terrible. I hope the 2016 Zelda is awesome, I've loved all the 3D Zeldas other than SS.
ceedubs2 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 00:59:46 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I actually enjoyed Skyward Sword. It's one of my favorite Zelda games. I'm of the opinion that they just keep getting better. Fi aside, I really enjoyed it.
Now there was a lot to get used to with SS. The stamina gauge, weapon upgrades, shield repair, the sword controls. But I really liked the feel of the game, Zelda had a personality again (only other time was in Wind Waker), and I just a blast.
TheFreaky ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 02:31:34 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The giant empty world, the worst part of Wind Waker but now flying instead of sailing. A sky full of empty rocks.
Then we get to the lands below and there is just 3 areas.
I'm sure there is a lot of cut content in that game. They were in a hurry to get it out in the 25th anniversary.
Pangolin007 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:12:23 on January 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My favorite game is actually Wind Waker, so I guess I like Zelda w/ personality, too.
petard ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:01:34 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Plenty of people don't like that game. It wasn't good.
holyjaw ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:03:27 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My Wiimote would become de-synched at least every 30 minutes or so. Flying or fighting in Skyward Sword was the fucking worst. I was dismayed to find out nobody else (at the time) was having the same issues as me.
I still finished it, and it felt good, but I wanted to kill Fi a thousand times over. Stupid dancing robot alarm clock.
FZ_ ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 19:45:34 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
also low batteries on a wiimote is like another 5 hours of battery, stop telling me to go change them!
Winstonpentouche ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 19:50:44 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Navi doesn't let up ever. I remember distinctly on my last play through I saved before Bongo-Bongo in the shadow temple.
"Hey listen! I bet the cool new song could transport you to that shadow temple we've been hearing about!"
Yeah. I got it. I'm about to slay the boss. Thanks.
[deleted] ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 22:37:45 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
With Navi, you had to answer her, apart from a couple of times early on.
Fi will interrupt gameplay to tell you stuff.
LegacyLemur ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:48:42 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Nah, Navi was a huge pain in the ass in the beginning of the game, which was understandable considering it was like the Wild Wild West era of 3D games, but she usually leaves you alone beyond that. Or at least her tips are optional.
Fi never shut the fuck up.
Dalek456 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:30:09 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Is she from Twilight Princess, or Skyward Sword?
Kaminohanshin ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 19:52:39 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Skyward Sword. Midna was actually tolerable and even likeable. Heck, i actually liked having her around to some degree. She rarely said anything unless called upon or it was important to the story.
Fi.... jesus christ Fi I know that GIGANTIC, CHAINED UP DOOR WITH THE LOCK THAT FITS THE BOSS KEY PERFECTLY IS THE DOOR TO THE BOSS. LITERALLY EVERY OTHER DOOR IS TINY AND DOESN'T HAVE A LOCK THAT FITS THE BOSS KEY BESIDES THAT ONE. YOU DON'T NEED TO TELL ME EVERY TIME WE GET NEAR EACH NEW DOOR.
birdreligion ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 20:01:59 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Midna was actually a decent character. Fi and Navi are given minimal character and just used as a game mechanic.
Jerlko ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:17:01 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Bitch you take that back Navi was my waifu.
BlueHighwindz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:32:38 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You know, while we're on the subject, fuck Fuuka from Persona 3. "Akihiko-senpai is in trouble!" YES, I KNOW, YOU STUPID WHORE. FUCK OFF. I'VE GOTTEN MORE HELP FROM GODDAMNED SLIPPY TOAD FROM STAR FOX 64. HE DIDN'T TELL ME DUMB SHIT THAT I ALREADY KNOW.
Most shameful part is that I banged her in that game too. Don't know what I was thinking.
kriken00 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:54:26 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"Master, there is an 85% chance that what I am saying is completely redundant, considering you were just told what to do seconds ago."
And her text is slow as fuck and always long and unskippable.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:36:03 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Fi was really weird, if there was a complex puzzle she would explain every single tiny step in far too much detail so there was no challenge at all... But then, if there was something like a small slightly hidden door that is easy to miss, not a peep, and you spend 20 minutes wondering what the hell are you supposed to do. She made the hard bits of that game piss easy and unrewarding and the 'easy' bits were made annoying through the game design.
Whitefire156 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:16:54 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"Your health is low, do you have any potions, or food?"
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:45:12 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
YOUR WIIMOTE REQUIRES NEW BATTERIES
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:45:40 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"You have a 98% chance that you have low health"
Always fucking 98!
LRedditor15 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:48:36 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
UUUURRRRGGGHH AND WHEN SHE TELLS YOU YOUR WIIMOTE BATTERIES ARE RUNNING OUT. I'LL SHOVE THESE FUCKING BATTERIES UP YOUR ARSE.
petard ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:04:49 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Fi and the motion controls (especially the motion controls) made me dislike skyward sword. The story sucked too.
PricklyPricklyPear ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:07:50 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Fi literally ruined that game for me. And the character looks so cool...
McShalepants ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:53:03 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I liked Fi's character development though. As the game progresses, she still talks a lot, but she started learning what was important to say and what was just pointless and obvious. When Link puts the Master Sword back at the end, as annoying as she was, I found myself sad to see her leaving forever. It's like that one character in your favorite show that's just insufferable, but once they leave/die/etc, the show just loses all its charm.
ceedubs2 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:02:27 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, I've never experienced that.
Twad_feu ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:10:55 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Really, Fi is something to be experienced to be understood.
An experience in how a game truly think the player is a total moron with no capacity to learn or remember anything.. and never letting go of that assumption. Even for the little things like rupees that lie on the ground and trash loot you haze dozens of already.
And they forgot to actually make her usefull in the first place. Want useful tips for that puzzle room? Need a hint for that boss? Ehh.. nope! How about some sweet unrelated statistics instead?
Dtrain16 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:11:48 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
She just wants to make sure you know that you are bad at the game. Just to rub it in.
zephyrdragoon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:35:18 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The probability of me shutting-the-fuck-up is zero percent.
CosmicAnus ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 20:01:06 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Am I the only one that wasn't annoyed by Navi? I see where everyone is coming from, but it's not hard to flush her out of your mind.
CaptainKate757 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 05:03:04 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You aren't the only one. I liked Navi. I thought she was pretty helpful, especially the first time I played it.
angrypurplebeeturtle ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:31:38 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't think Navi is annoying either. The only time I found her annoying was during my first playthrough. I couldn't figure out how to get into the fire temple, and assumed I needed to come back later. I turned Hyrule upside down looking for anything that might help me get into the temple, and all the while Navi was telling me to turn around and go back to Death Mountain. I eventually looked online and discovered that I was supposed to move the statue in Darunia's room. So, I refuse to be mad at Navi, because I was a moron and should've listened to her.
thesportsfiend ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:36:56 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Navi is so irritating I made her my notification ringtone. How does that even happen?
captainedwinkrieger ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 21:27:28 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
All of the complaints about Ocarina of Time are either stupid or whiny. "The Water Temple is too hard", "Navi won't shut up", "The owl won't stop talking if I don't pay attention when he asks me if he needs to repeat himself" or if you're that idiot Egoraptor, "It's not a good Zelda game because it isn't topdown like A Link to the Past". Every single complaint is a gigantic exaggeration on how bad things really are, especially when Ocarina of Time is one of the best Zelda games ever. If you really can't play a video game without bitching about every tiny annoyance, you really shouldn't be playing it in the first place
zoraluigi ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 22:18:14 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
To be fair, Egoraptor has since said that he regrets that video.
pm_tits_get_rating ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:48:33 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Good, that rant about how the targeting system like ruined his immersion or whatever was ridiculous.
LegacyLemur ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:51:29 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Or him giving passes to ALTTP for things he criticizes in OoT. Opening a chest animation is horrible and takes an eternity but having to tediously run around the level looking for the big chest to get your damn prize was "like running down stairs on Christmas morning". The shooting eye puzzles were lazy but having to push against random blocks until a door opens is fine.
Some of that I think he just fucking sucked at. How did he get hit by the moving spikes? They have a very clear pattern, they make a noise, and they never blind sight you. Same with bats. Just pay attention.
skavoc ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:40:42 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Honestly, Fi was so much more patronizing to me. Navi was annoying, yeah. But Fi made me feel like a child.
Unthinkable-Thought ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 19:21:13 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I love Navi. It's Hebrew for prophet and backwards it's Ivan. Like the big hurricane but I hate Tatl because I am ocd about vowels in words.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:10:13 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My Gameshark had a code for Ocarina labeled "SHUT UP NAVI!"
Sentinel_P ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:39:46 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I agree that Navi was pretty annoying. But it was their first transition into a huge 3D world. They wanted to have something to drop clues to your next destination without blatantly obvious map icons showing you exactly where to go. They also needed a medium to reveal enemy weakness. So they bundled it up into Navi.
If OoT was made today there would have been sufficient technology to have a STFU option.
petard ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 01:06:22 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You'd think so but have you played Skyward Sword? Fi was a million times worse than Navi and interrupted the game constantly. Navi you could usually just ignore and keep going. Weird because Twilight Princess pulled it off perfectly with Midna.
Sentinel_P ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:19:24 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Let's not talk about Fi.
jawshgoodnight ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:57:17 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Navi is my fucking boy, dawg. Imma need you to take that back cuh.
standupstanddown ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:17:49 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They learned from their mistakes I feel. The fairy in Phantom Hourglass was a fun character from what I remember.
petard ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:06:54 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They did but then they regressed with fucking Fi
IAmTheToastGod ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:37:23 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Claptraps are annoying too
a_gallon_of_pcp ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:45:39 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
relevant vg cats http://www.vgcats.com/comics/?strip_id=42
persephonethedamned ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:54:29 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Navi was so bad because she annoys you the whole game (although not nearly as bad as people let on) and then fucking DITCHES you when you need to Z target the most! I was so pissed!
Joppop1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:26:20 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Navi is basically if Roman from GTA died and turned into a fairy.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:40:17 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Without Navi, Majoras Mask would have never happened
AlmightyRuler ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:48:47 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I loved the parody they did of her for the game Magicka.
"Hey! You should look over there!" Oh really? Over there, with the horde of enemies?
"Hey! Did you know that if you your skills, they will do things?" Wow...imagine that.
"Hey! If you die, I will hate you!" Ya, well...wait, dafuq? Screw you, fairy!
"Hey!" That's it, where's the Void spell?!
wiseoldtabbycat ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:42:16 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
For some reason noone in the West likes Tingle whilst in Japan he has had several spin-off games.
Sure, he's got an unusual hobby and still lives with his dad but he's an earnest worker with a talent for Cartography and who can afford to move out in this economy anyway...
Super_Satchel ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:56:24 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Tingle is worse.
dizzi800 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:03:50 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Fi is way worse
randomtroubledmind ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:52:48 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Navi's fine. I actually never really thought she was that bad. Yes, the owl was pretty bad, but I could live with that as well.
Now, Fi from Skyward Sword? Holy fucking shit was she annoying. The game is basically unplayable the second time around.
extrapeperoncini ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:34:46 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
At least she was a little more intelligible than Midna!
Dzjill ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:54:50 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Midna was the only good Navi-esque character.
Twad_feu ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:57:32 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Navi was actually helpull at least.
Fi of skyward sword is the stuff of nightmares. Seriously.
Colonel_Gentleman ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:04:51 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This is one of my favorite references to Navi, from PowerPuff Girls.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:03:43 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Fi is much worse tho
noberg ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:40:10 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"HEY, LISTEN!" is my text signal. It's really amusing to see fellow nerds get all tense whenever I get a text.
Winstonpentouche ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:58:21 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Honestly I think this is the answer.
Legend of Zelda is as widely known as Star Wars, it is truly a part of nerd culture.
And navi and God damn gamora gabora (the fucking owl) are universally hated. Except we won't be seeing a Navi post about her being ganon's lackey unlike the Darth jar jar theory.
TheFreaky ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:33:08 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Kaepora Gaebora you filthy casual
Blipblipbloop ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:38:27 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I seem to be the only one who never had an issue with being able to read properly and not having Kaebora Gaebora repeat himself a hundred times. Y'all only have yourselves to blame for that one. Plus I like his theme!
falconfetus8 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:52:00 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Phi is even worse.
cwf82 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 23:07:58 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Came here to say this.
tearlock ยท 79 points ยท Posted at 01:05:36 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The Wii balance board in Wii Fit. "Ow! You're obese!" "The balance test wasn't your forte, do you trip a lot?"
Fuck you balance board!
philthegr81 ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 05:25:50 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
In my eyes, it totally redeemed itself the day it called me overweight instead of obese.
musicnothing ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 06:55:21 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That thing is the opposite of encouraging.
๐๏ธ proggybreaks ยท 422 points ยท Posted at 17:19:29 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
How has no one said Slippy Toad yet?
OZONE_TempuS ยท 361 points ยท Posted at 17:22:54 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Because there hasn't been a decent Star Fox game in over 18 years, hopefully the one coming out for WiiU is good though.
๐๏ธ proggybreaks ยท 70 points ยท Posted at 17:26:32 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Good point. Because I am old and talking about a game from 1996, expecting everyone to still be familiar with it. FML.
Trind ยท 44 points ยท Posted at 17:45:26 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I remember. And God was he annoying. Falco was too, but not like Slippy. I wanted to leave him behind on that one level where the boss grabs him and you have to save him. I was hoping I could just let him die and the game would continue without him. I have so much pent up rage for this fictional anthropomorphic frog.
ceedubs2 ยท 47 points ยท Posted at 18:28:35 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah Slippy would be ringing for help within ten seconds of the level start. But I hated Falco more. I just purposely shot him every time he was being a dick.
saves Falco
"Gee, I've been saved by Fox. How swell."
shoots Falco into oblivion
"Whoa, guys! I'm gonna have to back off."
FourBox ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 20:22:11 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"Hey Einstein, I'm on your side"
Gmr_Leon ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:21:21 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Cool thing is, Falco's way toned down (if your paraphrases are accurate) in Adventures and Assault, so he's not as much of a dick. Heck, in those he's a fantastic help at times, tossing you bombs/missiles right when you might need them.
Would prefer health rings, honestly, but hey, take what you can get I guess.
Kbratch ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:08:01 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And then they go and kill Peppy. He wasn't annoying in the N64 game.
Taervon ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 22:03:37 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Uhh... Peppy doesn't actually die.
Big_D_Squirrels ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 22:24:22 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Sounds like someone didn't finish the game.
PalladiuM7 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 18:30:01 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, but then you wouldn't be able to get the medals and unlock expert mode.
Winstonpentouche ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:48:25 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The ending credits scene when they're all running is hilarious because of Slippy's run. He looks retarded.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:01:55 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
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Trind ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:51:52 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Women voice male characters all the time, I guess to give an impression of youth and inexperience. Bart Simpson is voiced by a woman.
OZONE_TempuS ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:14:39 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah but that level with the Landmaster where you save him is sick and one of the best in the game.
[deleted] ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 18:40:37 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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Arthur3ld ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:43:04 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Do a barrel roll!
Crazyblazy395 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 19:33:55 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Holy shit. That was 20 years ago! What the fuck?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:04:24 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Nah, Star Fox 64 is from 97.
TheWritingWriterIV ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:45:29 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Wow, I still remember being so excited for that release. I still play through it from time to time. I still have the promotional VHS from Nintendo Power packed up somewhere.
Edit: After rewatching this, it's really creepy how the Sega guy has chloroform and knockout gas on hand.
robinthebum ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:06:35 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"I GOT ONE!!!"
OZONE_TempuS ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:07:44 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If it makes you feel better I was born in 1996
philequal ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:28:08 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I need help!!!
Aardvark_Man ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:23:25 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Never forget.
I always tried to let the prick die so I didn't have to hear him.
raccoonpuncher66 ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 18:28:03 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Did you try Starfox Assault on the Gamecube? One of my favourites in general for the system. One of the few games I've beaten in my life.
Pipthepirate ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 18:54:21 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The ship missions were awesome but the ones where you run around suck cocks
Gmr_Leon ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:24:33 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They're definitely not great, but I kind of love the way they're not great. The hyperfast run speed with Fox (compared to other third-person shooters) feels so arcadey and liberating.
The haphazardly placed health packs though are complete crap.
OZONE_TempuS ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:33:31 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I did, while it wasn't bad it wasn't what I was hoping for. I'm just really hopeful that the WiiU release is going to be good.
Big_D_Squirrels ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:25:48 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I adore that game. It's the trashy game I will defend till the day I die.
๐๏ธ proggybreaks ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:29:26 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That game started as a completely different game called Dinosaur Planet, and halfway through, they randomly decided to make it a Star Fox game. And it feels like that. I blame that game for the decline of the franchise. Before that game, Star Fox was nearly on par with the Mario and Zelda series, because each entry was fantastic. Most Star Fox fans felt that they should have left it Dinosaur Planet and made a proper, space-vehicle shooter sequel to Star Fox 64. This year, we will finally get it. They had better not fuck it up.
RSP16 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 19:43:18 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You're describing Adventures, not Assault.
๐๏ธ proggybreaks ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:54:12 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yep, that's the one.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:08:51 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Please understand, it seemed like a good idea at the time.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:56:57 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
19 years now
AnnOnimiss ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:07:31 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
god I feel old
CosmicAnus ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:58:18 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Was the 3ds one bad?
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 22:39:27 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The 3DS one is the same game as the 18 year old one.
CosmicAnus ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:19:33 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Sorry. I'm OoTL with Star Fox.
Imperium_Dragon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:07:59 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
How could anyone not remember Stairfax Temperatures?
Big_D_Squirrels ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:27:01 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Cuz that's a rareware rpg with starfox characters slathered over top. Great game, shitty as a tsarfux game.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:20:14 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You mean The Legend of Starfox?
Big_D_Squirrels ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:23:01 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Wait a minute there have been
Oh. Yeah.
sambres8 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:24:24 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Assault for GameCube was solid
SansGray ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:26:40 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Star Fox adventures was awesome!
Funkays ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:32:08 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
From what I hear and the limited I played, it needs work.
They're incentivizing use of the game pad screen thing instead of allowing you to just use it as a controller and enjoy the game. Aiming was a bit skewed transitioning between screens. On the tv you look lines up but your shots didn't hit. Then you'd look at the pad screen (which was first person) and see your crosshairs was way off.
So u can get a nice view of the game and its world while missing all your shots; or see limited parts of the world due to first person perspective, but hit all your shots.
I'm sure they'll work it out though and it won't be too gimmicky.
GoonCommaThe ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:44:59 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The one that came out for DS was pretty good.
iccs ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:32:56 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I saw the gameplay demo, yeah don't count on it :(
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:58:35 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Assault wasn't bad
newtownmail ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:35:46 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not a traditional Star Fox game, but Star Fox Adventures was an amazing game. Or at least to kid me it was, haven't played it in years.
carlythesniper ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:03:26 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Kid Icarus Uprising is the best Star Fox since the original imo.
Seriously, though. If you like Star Fox and own a 3DS get your hands on a copy of Kid Icarus Uprising.
Urethra ยท 44 points ยท Posted at 18:16:27 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You thought Slippy was the bad one? Not "FOX GET THIS GUY OFF ME"?
InGourdWeThrust ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 22:30:15 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
...but slippy was the one who said that...
neohylanmay ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 18:33:41 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What, not Prince "BAD GUY/LET'S PLAY/I'M NOT DOING IT/I'M HUNGRY" Tricky?
(although to be fair, my main complaint with that game was the fight against General Scales... or the complete lack thereof)
everything_is_gone ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:54:28 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Fuck that fight! They spend the entire game making you hate him with a passion and then give you the least satisfying conclusion ever!
neohylanmay ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:00:10 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Considering it was the first game in the series I played, it being "unsatisfying" was an understatement. I still think it's a really good game, but it definitely has one of the worst endings/eleventh-hour plot twists in a video game ever.
AnnOnimiss ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:06:17 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He's the one that invented the stupid tank, for the Trashmaster alone I hate him.
Sheepvasion ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:17:20 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
yeah peppy can fuck off.
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 20:22:36 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Horny teenage me used to get these weird wet dreams about slippy even though i hated slippy. then i found out slippy was a guy and i felt even more weirded out by these dreams, but for some reason more turned on.
POGtastic ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 01:43:41 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What the fuck man.
hashtagwindbag ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 10:26:10 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This is a re-enactment of that time period.
klobbermang ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 20:29:49 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Slippy was the only actual useful wingman though. If his ship got destroyed during a level you didn't get the health meter on the boss. If Peppy or Falco got destroyed it made no difference.
Aperture_Kubi ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:57:41 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think Falco got you the Corneria to Sector Y link if he survives.
Peppy got you nothing.
AhrenGxc3 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:06:29 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Peppy would provide you tips and Falco would uncover otherwise inaccessible golden rings and bombs, so perhaps not entirely useless.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:04:45 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Don't pay mind to the haters. They're a bunch of cocky little freaks.
FourBox ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:21:34 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Fox! Help me!
LincolnHox ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:29:01 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Fox! NOOOOOOOOOO!!!
Commander_Prime ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:29:59 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Slippy Toad...Christ, that useless ass nearly made me put a fist through a television. And not one of these thin plasma ones either, nah, one of those pyramid brick sized boxes that could crush a kid.
"FOX I'M HIT"
I will hit a child you worthless amphibian
Muddpup64 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:10:10 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I saved that tool to many times.
MagicIsMight62442 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:32:35 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
DO A BARREL ROLE!!!
Scouterfly ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:14:59 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ugh god, Slippy. I love me some space furries as much as the next guy, but this fucking kid gets himself in trouble less than a minute into the mission.
poonsaderthedank ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:26:48 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I I just can't do it!
ownage99988 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:30:10 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Fuck slippy I hate that hermaphrodite
TheFencingCoach ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:04:17 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"Hey! Somebody help me! I got a bogey on my six!"
grantmoore3d ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:04:45 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Even though I know they are useful and can help you go different directions, as a kid, I'd always shoot them down so I would have to hear them talking to me as I played the game. Best feature in the game was friendly fire.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:39:13 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Because half of reddit is younger than that game.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:50:02 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
you mean Peppy?
pathocuriosity ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:18:42 on January 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I thought watching Slippy get killed was hilarious.
DoctorWaluigiTime ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:34:49 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Because like with Navi, Slippy's "legend" has been vastly overblown by the Internet, and really wasn't that bad. At least not in the first two games.
ratchet_ass_ho ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 00:00:13 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm ashamed to be posting this. Slippy gets raped.
dfowlerak ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 22:46:26 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Cookie boy from the walking dead. Walking through the middle of a zombie horde, "mom? Mom?"
invisiblephrend ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 02:26:58 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
it's implied at the beginning of the episode that he's suffering from trauma and missing a few gears in his clock.
best_teemo_supp ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 07:50:54 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Gandhi in Civ V
OUR WORDS ARE BACKED BY NUCLEAR WEAPONS HUEHUEHUEHUE
Theguythatsungthat ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:24:24 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I play Civ V also. Funny!
OkapiParade ยท 288 points ยท Posted at 18:16:02 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's still Jar Jar.
[deleted] ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 21:18:43 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's just his voice. The high pitch, the absurd noises like in the diving scene, etc. They need to redub his voice in a deep voice with an alien language and put in normal english subtitles and he would become tolerable for me
tdogg8 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 00:20:00 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Nah, the tongue shenanigans would still be ridiculous.
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 00:43:56 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah those scenes would be ridiculous, but I think he'd be tolerably ridiculous, at least for me. Part of what made those scenes so annoying for me was that he was such an insufferable character already that everything he did made my eyes roll. Like Jabba's pet in ROTJ, yeah that thing's laugh was super annoying but it would be so much worse if it had been a main character with tons of dialogue in that screechy tone
ThatSwedishViking ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:45:36 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yep, I feel like the voices played the biggest part of the gungan failure. Redub them and people would instantly be less annoyed by the infamous gungan plotline.
DrSmoke ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 01:08:07 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No, its literally ever single thing about the character. Jar Jar is only there to sell merch to little babies, and keep their attention during the movie. He has no reason to be there at all. And is the perfect representation for why everything about the prequels is terrible.
parisinla ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:31:48 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Apparently it's emo Peter Parker.
Akido37 ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 20:07:02 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Kai Winn.
Even burning to death in the finale wasn't enough to quench my hatred for this character.
phrantastic ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 06:32:37 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I put Kai Winn in the same category as Joffrey Baratheon - AMAZING actors playing hateable antagonist characters, but we LOVE to hate them!
I agree, that was not a painful enough death for Kai Winn, but she was a fantastic antagonist and definitely an asset to the storylines. :-)
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 06:49:17 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yessssss! I'm so happy that she got what she deserved in season 7.
misteratoz ยท 880 points ยท Posted at 17:26:29 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Caillou.
rormeister ยท 1156 points ยท Posted at 17:53:20 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not sure caillou is part of nerd culture
ChemicalArsonist ยท 1019 points ยท Posted at 18:10:47 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It is once caillou begins ELIMINATING EVERY ENEMY IN ONE PUNCH!
TheBadAdviceBear ยท 408 points ยท Posted at 18:40:36 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm a shitty bald child for fun
drsingerx ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 22:18:12 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
/r/nocontext
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 21:14:39 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's not his fault the stage 4 hit him pretty hard
Madman_With_A_Keyboa ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:04:11 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And profit.
2RINITY ยท 39 points ยท Posted at 19:04:33 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
ONE PUUUUUUUUUUNCH!
Regvlas ยท 22 points ยท Posted at 18:48:13 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
OPM had hair just 3 years ago, he wasn't always bald.
N0ahface ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 19:04:09 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And how old is Cailou?
Imperium_Dragon ยท 22 points ยท Posted at 20:07:00 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Like 4.
ragemaster_21 ยท 30 points ยท Posted at 22:47:36 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Saitama confirmed 7 years old.
fdsdfs89 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 00:56:28 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Did someone say 100 push-ups?
mikesvampire ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 21:12:45 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Caillou Shippuden
abrazilianinreddit ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 19:42:20 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Sanjou! Hisshou! Shijou saikyou!!
birdreligion ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 20:08:38 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
POWER! GET THE POWER!!
MoeTheGoon ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:05:24 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Doo doo doo doo!
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:24:32 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He just does it for fun
Renaldi_the_Multi ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:07:53 on January 4, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ofc One Punch
mikefarquar ยท 73 points ยท Posted at 18:20:24 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He deserves every bit of hate he gets from all cultures.
Bluefooddye ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 22:58:20 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ever since the ytp community found him he is
underwriter ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 06:59:22 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Cat-penis ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:28:03 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I dunno, he gets brought up on reddit pretty frequently and reddit is full of nerds so...
KomenisaScam ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:30:46 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
the show first aired in 1997 maybe it has that retro 90s nostalgia appeal that's lumped in with nerd culture. Anyway fuck caillou.
rn10950 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 08:02:38 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Nostalgia implies good things, not Caillou.
GoonCommaThe ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:43:01 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well neither are half the responses here.
SkrublordPrime ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:40:50 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You'd think that.
You'd be wrong.
gnit2 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:21:08 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
fuckin lol
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:50:45 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's more nerdy than most of the basic cable TV at the top of this thread.
Serath62 ยท 152 points ยท Posted at 17:32:34 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I sure hope he beats his Leukemia one day, though.
Penguin_Out_Of_A_Zoo ยท 319 points ยท Posted at 17:56:01 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
no, he sinks into depression, becoming charlie brown, and then dies, and becomes Casper.
TheFuzzyPickler ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 19:11:37 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
In an alternate reality, he powers through, survives, gets ripped, and becomes Saitama.
BallardLockHemlock ยท 23 points ยท Posted at 18:32:28 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Don't ruin Casper this way, damn your eyes!
MoseSchruteJr ยท 55 points ยท Posted at 18:46:54 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Don't worry, Casper isn't Charlie Brown... he's Ritchie Rich.
xXEggRollXx ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 00:03:53 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Kids, could you lighten up a little?
Imperium_Dragon ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 20:07:30 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That....actually makes sense.
parallel_jay ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 19:00:51 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I like to believe Caillou gets his shit together and becomes Saitama from One Punch Man.
shows7 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:21:03 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I thought he grew up and became Saitama ._.
An0therB ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:00:20 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Good.
maltzy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:28:10 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Shhh. It's just Casper
BaconAllDay2 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:37:39 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Charlie Brown is a lovable loser.
thelonelybiped ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:05:01 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And in death, he finds a way to reincarnate himself into a world filled with monsters and superheroes...
Ah_Q ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 18:30:21 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't
gamblingman2 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 00:49:22 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Pay attention the next time you see it on tv. Every episode is circled in a "memory fog". The shows are everyones memories of caillou before he died. That's why the kid never gets in real trouble.
Serath62 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:03:11 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No wonder everyone just tolerates that insufferable little shit
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:15:15 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:21:29 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:03:17 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The original books were about a much younger kid. Like a baby. Which is why he was bald and why he is generally so scared and confused all the time. They realized a cartoon with a baby protagonist wouldn't work, but they still made the show. And when they aged him up they didn't bother to change either his appearance or behavior.
brickmack ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:00:00 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
But only after bankrupting his whole fucking family
TheManInsideMe ยท 22 points ยท Posted at 19:34:12 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Her pussy bald like Caillou.
Swag swag like Caillou.
TYBG
Skullcrusher ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:37:44 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I have never even seen an episode of Caillou. This is literaly the only thing I know Caillou from.
BoyWonder343 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:50:55 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm DTF like Caillou
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 20:21:23 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He's just a kid who's 4, each day he grows some more
PancakesAreGone ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 21:38:44 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I have a theory for Caillou. Personally, I have no issue with him. Why? Because I just see a 3yr old being a 3yr old.
I think everyone hates on him because, news flash, they see what a pain in the ass a small child can be, and they go "Fuck that little twat. My kid isn't/won't be that bad! My kid is/will be better and behaved!" while being completely oblivious to the fact that Caillou is, basically, just an average small child learning shit. Basically, all parents think their children are/will be snow flakes.
That's just my theory
better_off_red ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 23:53:25 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm just a kid who's four, already an attention whore. I'm Caillou!
angrypurplebeeturtle ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 20:37:58 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
As someone who watched Caillou all the time as a kid, why do people hate Caillou so much?
PancakesAreGone ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 21:43:11 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My theory is everyone doesn't realize he's just an average 3-4 year old and that's exactly how the average 3-4 year old is. They hate him because "My kid won't be that misbehaved/whiny/whatever", when in reality, it's just their rose tinted glasses being on.
I used to watch Caillou because background noise (During my summers in high school when I wasn't at work) and all I ever saw was a kid on tv being the same as the kids I used to help baby sit. In that, a potentially whiny little selfish sod... That also had the capability to be kind, patient, and generally well behaved child when they weren't sleep deprived/bad mood/whatever.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 20:48:12 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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xXEggRollXx ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:02:09 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I always hated Rosie more than Caillou. She was a little shit.
Chakolatechip ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:29:12 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I remember seeing my advisor in college to register for classes/ help apply to law school. She used to complain about this asshole which was weird because it was completely irrelevant to why I came to talk to her.
Pandaswizzle ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:48:46 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Pusesy wet like Caillou. Swag Swag like Caillou
Rydel6 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:43:23 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I see your Caillou and raise you a Trotro.
MrDudePerson ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:11:02 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
http://youtu.be/0FSwjCD0LOU
ripkif318 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:39:30 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
http://youtube.com/watch?v=WpQu3qOiEVo
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:07:08 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Who the fuck can work all day to make that show without thinking of suicide 24/7?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:30:39 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Seriously fuck Caillou. That little wiener sucks, even if that doesn't fit this thread. I'm mad just thinking about him.
KaptainKershaw ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:02:28 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Caillou is definitely missing a chromosome or two.
jugol ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:25:06 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Your perception will change when you watch Caillou Shippuuden.
Opusthegreat ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:58:49 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He probably dumps in diapers I bet
ripndipp ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 00:39:00 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The happiest oncology patient I've ever seen.
Hingl_McCringleberry ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 20:09:18 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Sobs
"I broke my special chair!"
#TimandSid
camalittle ยท 3220 points ยท Posted at 16:23:34 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Sheldon on The Big Bang Theory.
And the humorous thing about this is when the nerds explain why they hate him and how he isn't "realistic" (or how the show is "nerd blackface"), they unwittingly sound exactly like those main characters.
bl1y ยท 2612 points ยท Posted at 16:59:35 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't like how the show is so dumb. It's not a nerd comedy, it's a traditional sitcom with nerd characters. Basically if everyone on Friends was Ross.
[deleted] ยท 1765 points ยท Posted at 18:57:33 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Watch Silicon Valley instead. 1000x better.
janlaureys9 ยท 130 points ยท Posted at 19:36:11 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You could get more if you could jerk off two dicks at the same time !
interestingsidenote ยท 118 points ยท Posted at 20:04:28 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Season 1 finale had me rolling on the floor. Equations about jerking someone off leads to a breakthrough in programming. Sure, why the fuck not?
Aalnius ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 21:23:09 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
tbh when im normally stuck on something to do with programming i normally chat to people and somehow the solution comes to me during the conversation.
TheEvilDrPie ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 01:04:30 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yep, I'll second that.
I find getting up, walking away from my desk and focusing on something else helps solutions come sometimes.
tofo90 ยท 40 points ยท Posted at 20:16:49 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Fucking genius writing. That whole gang works together so well.
mgattozzi ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 04:34:26 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You're just in love with Gilfoyle's code
menashem ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:55:59 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I honestly think I pulled a muscle in my chest laughing so hard at that scene, just crunched up can't breath laughing. The whole show is fantastically written and performed, but that finale was something else
ScottishTorment ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 01:04:53 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Optimal Tip-to-Tip Efficiency. This is an actual paper written by a Stanford computer science staffer.
CoolTom ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:54:09 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Oh my god what? Is this an actual paper about jacking guys off?
Capone184 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 06:14:40 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
In the most efficient way possible. This guy did the math.
CoolTom ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:46:02 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Are we talking completion, or just stimulation? I think I need to read this paper.
GRUMMPYGRUMP ยท 33 points ยท Posted at 19:45:55 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Unless you had two guys on each side with their dicks tip to tip.
necromundus ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:59:18 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This moment was the turning point for me. I was on the fence about weather or not I liked the show, but this sold it.
[deleted] ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 22:20:46 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Will give this a go. Cheers.
musicnothing ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 06:39:05 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No no, Silicon Valley.
hashtagwindbag ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 10:35:17 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Cut him some slack. He just wants to go where everybody knows his name.
Umutuku ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 21:53:48 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That show has doors that open like this! gestures emphatically
EndoplasmicPanda ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 04:57:22 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This guy fucks.
bool_idiot_is_true ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 23:35:06 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I like the show but I do find it quite irritating that they're all so fucking incompetent. Every time they get a break it gets fucked up somehow and they have to reeroll the boulder up the hill trying to break even. Everything else is great; but they really need to find someone who can actually run a business and not try and steal it from them.
aaron2610 ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 00:33:12 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So, like real life?
Just because you're a great programmer doesn't mean you're great at business.
And there plenty of real life examples of rich purple trying to steal from or crush startups.
[deleted] ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 04:36:57 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
As someone who is IN a startup similar to the one depicted in the show... I can say that YES, a lot of the situations are over-the-top, but not as over-the-top as you might think. None of us REALLY know how to run a business. We're just making it up as we go along. Sometimes we do really well, and sometimes, things go horrifically wrong. Like that time we had very expensive, essential equipment damaged by rain.
Some of the parallels we have to the show are astonishing.
ageowns ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:45:47 on January 4, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Also the show wouldn't be funny if they were successful and had no struggle... I admit, it's a little one loss for every gain, and it could be handled a little better, but if they make it stable or rich, it won't be funny.
marleau_12 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:26:54 on January 4, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
YES! 100% agree with this. The constant problems and struggles got a bit stale for me towards the end of season 2. I just want them to spend some time succeeding as a company and having drug-filled parties with liquor and whores, instead of constantly facing another uphill battle.
awesomebob ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 00:45:24 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
He chose a dvd for tonight
endlessben ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 02:01:45 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I enjoy the show but it's basically nerd Entourage. "Vince can't do that movie!" "Ayyy, Vince can do the movie!"
awesomebob ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:15:52 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
He went to home
vrgr23 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:18:55 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't know. Entourage was all about glorifying the characters' lifestyle, it wasn't satiric at all. Silicon Valley is the opposite of that. It's about lampooning the pompous and full of itself culture of silicon valley. Many of the jokes and characters are based on real people and events.
endlessben ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:24:37 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You're absolutely right. But it's pretty similar in terms of plotting. Success -> setback -> success -> setback, etc. That said, I like it way more than Entourage for all the reasons you mentioned.
SkrublordPrime ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:38:30 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"You just brought piss to a shitfight, you little cock!"
bl1y ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 19:17:25 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeup, can confirm.
[deleted] ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 19:26:39 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This guy fucks
bl1y ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 19:34:38 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
5/7
ObscureCulturalMeme ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:03:52 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Wish it were available on not-HBO. Netflix, say.
DrSmoke ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:45:15 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
OFC it is. You're comparing network to HBO
roxxe ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:45:35 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
not really, could replace/delete any character exept that maserati guy
retrospects ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:21:21 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My doors go like this ^o^
ellinorianne ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:21:37 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Just for the bit when they figure out how many guys they can jerk off in an hour. Seriously, fucking, brilliant.
supergluu ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:30:51 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I like the big bang theory, but silicone valley is amazing. Everything that comes out of TJ Miller's mouth is comedy gold.
Indoorsman ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:16:39 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I saw the one scene about the efficiency of jacking off as many socks as possible. It reminded me of some of the most annoying loser nerds I have ever known, and now I have no interest at all in that show. Both those shows are painful for different reasons if you have been exposed to real horrifically cringe needs which I have the displeasure to be related to.
rainbow84uk ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:18:52 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Or the IT Crowd
smilbandit ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:33:48 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
and Betas is about half that
TragicEther ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:14:36 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Even BETAS is way better than TBBT, and it's still not a perfect take on geeks.
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 00:03:43 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Glad people are giving this show more love instead of just mentioning IT Crowd. I hate IT Crowd. It isn't funny to me, the acting sucks, and it juat seems more like need pandering to me. Silicon Valley is closer to how my computer programmer friends and myself act than anything I've ever seen. None of that stupid "this is the internet" followed by the laugh track reddit only hates when it's in big bang theory.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 00:57:22 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
A lot of that probably comes from the fact that Mike Judge used to be a programmer and lived in Silicon Valley
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:23:01 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's why I love mike judge so much. I'm a computer programmer from texas, so I've always found his stuff very relatable lol.
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 01:32:00 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I can only assume IT Crowd gets more love because its not American and/or on a major US network. In kind of a non-mainstream "most people in US haven't heard of it" kind of way. Especially if at the time you had to basically torrent it to watch it.
But I found it generally unwatchable.
arcosapphire ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:54:38 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The IT Crowd gets a lot of love because it's been around for a long time. Longer than either of these other shows.
It also has some phenomenal episodes.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:42:53 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
As someone who didn't enjoy what I saw, could you recommend some episodes for me?
arcosapphire ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 04:36:17 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Countdown is perhaps the best, but it's also one of the last. The one with the robbery is great, but I don't recall the name. Also the one with the fire at the sea park.
"The Speech" (the one with The Internet) is probably the most referenced, and it is great, but likely one you've seen.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:16:58 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
IT Crowd started a year before Big Bang. Technically "longer" but not in a relevant way.
Like Big Bang, most of the humour is just contrast between "nerds" and non "nerds" and the laugh track is equally as distracting.
arcosapphire ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:23:22 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
An important difference is they don't try to make the characters super-nerds who somehow like every nerdy thing. The characters also aren't constantly hostile to each other. The supporting cast is also much funnier.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:18:10 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The characters are hostile to each other on Big Bang? I know on Silicon Valley, it's far more hostile than BBT but at the same time, the closest to how my friends and I actually act. If I were to kind of attach some different shows to eras though, BBT was probably the closest to my teenage years, IT Crowd closest to my college years, and SV closest to my mid-20s and beyond.
I mean the BBT guys are basically how my friends I were, just as teens, not 35 year old professionals.
[deleted] ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 20:17:54 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This is always my argument against Big Bang. God that show sucks, but Caley Cuoco is TOO fine ๐
Novadreamer ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 21:28:14 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
not even that tbh
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:04:55 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Bernadette is way hitter imo, even with the stupid voice.
Novadreamer ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 00:16:14 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Indeed. Amy is a solid 5/7 too.
RoadRageRR ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 23:05:41 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Too much sand
oddchihuahua ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 00:30:41 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
986 million times better.
average_user_421 ยท -23 points ยท Posted at 19:29:35 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No. It's not.
BarroomBard ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 00:04:55 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's bot even really a traditional sitcom. It distinctly lacks either comedic situations or jokes.
CQReborn ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 19:45:26 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I've heard someone describe it as something along the lines of "Big Bang Theory is a show wrote by people who aren't nerds writing what they think nerds are like"
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 05:33:19 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Nerds use past participles correctly.
HeadbutsLocally ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 20:27:13 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Big Bang Theory is a show about nerds for normal people. Community is a show about normal people for nerds. IT Crowd is a show about nerds, for nerds.
Ice_tail ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 22:29:23 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Its a show about making fun of nerds for normal people
TheLastPanicMoon ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 01:01:35 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
It's not just that the show is dumb. It's that the show is mean. There are sitcoms that do mean well; Sunny, The League, Peepshow, et cetera; they are self-aware about it; they embrace it; it's almost their premise. TBBT (and pretty much every Chuck Lorre show) are like that douche who points at someone and says "hey, look at that freak over there" and responds with "whoa, it's just a joke" when people call him out on it. These shows use people as punchlines. Fat people, gay people, trans people, addicts, the mentally ill. If there is an easy target, these shows have shot for it and then given themselves a high five for doing it, all while maintaining its all in good fun. It's lazy, and meaningless, and demoralizing, and I'm tired of people saying that people who have gripes with this are just overly critical snobs.
bl1y ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:40:53 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Spot on.
There's room to make fun of people, but you make that the point of view of a character, not of the show. This is why House gets away with a lot. The character makes fun of people, but the show's point of view is that he's an asshole for doing so. No one on the show is written as a schmuck, except perhaps Talb.
GoogleNoAgenda ยท 190 points ยท Posted at 17:24:50 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Watch the first season or two. It was a lot nerdier, and better.
Hipoltry ยท 937 points ยท Posted at 17:43:38 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No thanks
BurnerAcctNo1 ยท 802 points ยท Posted at 19:03:14 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Nah dude. Spend 50 hours of your life trying to un-hate something you already don't like.
xole ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 01:57:16 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's a TV show, not broccoli.
Z_T_O ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 21:12:09 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's exactly what people say whenever they find out someone doesn't like Game of Thrones.
throwawaysarebetter ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 21:31:00 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I read the books (after the show came out). The first season of the show was exceedingly boring compared to the book it influenced, and that's saying something.
Gggtttrrreeeee ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 04:08:58 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Might want to look into that again
throwawaysarebetter ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 04:29:44 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ah, apologies, I meant the book it was influenced by. Hopefully my statement was stillunderstood, though.
BurnerAcctNo1 ยท -6 points ยท Posted at 21:37:13 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It almost hurts my brain to see GoT be compared to Big Bang, but you're right and exactly why I stopped trying. If you can't get past dragons and olden times to see the underlying brilliance of the overall story, nothing I say will change that.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 09:15:48 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I love dragons and olden times. I just like decent writing and interesting characters too. Martin has written some good stuff, but ASoIaF is not among those things. The TV show wasn't better.
d0mth0ma5 ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 19:58:12 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
About 20 but fair enough.
BurnerAcctNo1 ยท -9 points ยท Posted at 20:08:33 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Actually 40. 17 & 23 respectively.
d0mth0ma5 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 20:09:29 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The episodes are 22 minutes aren't they?
BurnerAcctNo1 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:18:11 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Touchรฉ.
Sorry. Was just forced into watching Heroes for the first time.
d0mth0ma5 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:25:00 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That show was a real shame in the end.
WhatABlindManSees ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:05:03 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I loved that show so much when it was first starting up but god did it ever fall apart.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:36:28 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This was one of the most intelligent comments I've ever error seen.
The_Mighty_Rex ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:58:44 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Each episode is like 20 minutes without commercials, there probably like 20 episodes so that's nowhere near 50 hours
DoctorStrange37 ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 20:25:08 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It get's better later on I thought because they stopped trying to inforce their nerdiness and Sheldon's awkardness into every fucking scene. They chilled out a bit and made actually funny jokes instead of "hey look we we're nerds isn't that weird! hahaha we're so awkward"
Still a fairly shit show though that I won't watch on purpose
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:06:55 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
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ich_habe_keine_kase ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:30:47 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, I loved it up to about S3. Now it's basically unwatchable, but my parents watch it every week.
DoctorStrange37 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:23:38 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It definitely became more generic and amicable for the general public, and I am a big fan of sitcoms. I guess because all the characters annoyed the fuck out of me for 2/3 seasons when it was toned down it seems a lot better. I still don't actually like it but it's more watchable for me.
The characters just annoyed me so much. Everything about all 4 of the main guys annoyed me (especially bazinga and soft kitty and anything else Sheldon says). But it stopped being about Sheldon's robotic-ness as much, and Leonard's awkwardness, and eventually if I remember Howard stopped being such a rapist. So I think it became better in comparison.
Sebbatt ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 05:38:25 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
LOL DAE HATE BIG BANG THEORY LITERALLY HITLER LOL
LAN_Rover ยท 119 points ยท Posted at 17:41:50 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And then just like Friends they screwed the sexual tension plotline and the show started to suck
rosiedoes ยท 198 points ยท Posted at 18:07:30 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
For me, Amy and Bernadette ruined TBBT. Not because they're women but because they're both so fucking annoying.
red__falcon ยท 385 points ยท Posted at 18:27:14 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"We need an idea for some new characters."
"Sheldon, but with boobs?"
"Love it, any more ideas?"
"Boobs with boobs?"
"Sorted, let's break for lunch."
TheFuzzyPickler ยท 186 points ยท Posted at 18:59:50 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"Should Boobyboob sound like Enjewneer's mom sometimes?"
"But isn't Boobyboob Enjewneer's love interest?"
"Yes. Oedipus complexes are comedy GOLD!"
ReservoirGods ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 20:12:01 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"Enjewneer" that is so great, I'm not sure if you came up with that but you got a belly laugh from me.
TheFuzzyPickler ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 20:17:00 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I wanted to combine "engineer" and "Jew", and that's what I came up with.
Ins_Weltall ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 20:33:49 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"Oh my! This is reminiscent of an Oedipus Complex!"
::HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA::
hybris12 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:51:03 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
BAZOOPER
[deleted] ยท 66 points ยท Posted at 18:34:10 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Every time I catch an episode of TBBT, I'm just blown away how absolutely shitty they treat their boyfriends (husbands now, I think?) and it's played off as a funny joke.
Especially because there's this context there that they'll never leave their girlfriends because "who else will love me?" even when their girlfriend openly ridicules them about their job/hobbies/looks/etc.
Not so much Amy, as Bernadette and the other one. I don't remember her name. I thought Amy was ok and she didn't deserve Sheldon being a dick to her.
[deleted] ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 19:49:10 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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crunchthenumbers01 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 20:06:06 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He also had to watch her suffer from setback to setback and tons of rejection.
ElsweyrFondue ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 19:12:01 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
TBBT spoiler, if you actually give a shit.
She left him, and in true sitcom style the day she left him, he was planning on proposing to her.
psinguine ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 19:01:54 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's the thing. I really wanted to like Bernadette, cuz holy shit is that actress ever my type. But she just gets more and more sneaky and outright abusive as time goes on.
Lakridspibe ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 22:43:10 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think the idea is, that she is dominating Howard the same way his mother did, and that's what he loves.
He's also a childish man-baby. Of course his wife is angry.
It makes sense. It just isn't funny.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 07:40:28 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
None of their relationships make any sense any more. The show is now about the three women with successful careers (even Penny) who somehow put up with their loser boyfriends who read comic books for children and play with lasers all day, pretending that they have real jobs. The guys have absolutely no redeeming qualities anymore and there's no way any girl would ever even talk to them.
I think they changed writers at some point because the later seasons really did turn into the "nerd blackface" show the internet loved to paint it as.
xmarwinx ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 21:26:26 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Howard is a much worse spouse than Bernadette tho. She works all day while he plays videogames and stuff, and then she comes home and he expects her to cook.
UncertainAnswer ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:53:02 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Used to be a lot worse. Penny has leveled out a lot. Bernadette is still one of the worst people to ever not exist.
thekingdomcoming ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:55:27 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This. I really agree, however I hated how creepy Howard was. Bernadette made him grow up and gave him a sense of manhood, and now he's my favorite character.
iFinity ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:16:39 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's why season 1 and 2 are the only seasons worth watching.
shifty313 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:03:39 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, there's no variety anymore.
rosiedoes ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:06:18 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The thing is, now the whole series is about their romantic relationships rather than those being a side line and their interests being at the forefront.
shifty313 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:13:10 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I know it's not that well liked but that's why I liked Rules of Engagement. I enjoyed the combination of marriage and dating jokes.
Blu- ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:23:49 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yes! They're the reasons I quit the show. It got so bad when they became main characters.
zumx ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 22:20:08 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
:O Friends never sucked. /r/howyoudoin would like to have a word with you.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 23:16:06 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
whoa dude friends didn't start to suck
GoogleNoAgenda ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:16:27 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Add the US Office to that list, too.
the1npc ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 23:10:52 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Friends was always terrible
bl1y ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:16:26 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Season 1 they get Reductio Ad Absurdum wrong. Not even a little bit close; they call it a logical fallacy. That's like saying Darwin argued against evolution.
aussydog ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:15:41 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
As sad as it sounds...each additional female character they added the worse the show got.
Hahaha lactose intolerance!!!!!
Hahaha peanut allergies!!! Soooo funny!!!
Hahaha nerd movies and comic books ZOMG!!!!!! LAUGH TRACK EXPLOSION!!!!
Nzash ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:09:14 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This is true. At least then it wasn't just another relationship sitcom. Now they all have their own gf and it's just become a trash show with nothing but relationship drama and comedy like you find in any other show.
Arjunnn ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 18:04:14 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
/r/bigbangcomics
Clay_Pigeon ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 18:16:59 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Those are horrible.
TheFuzzyPickler ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:05:40 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Those are amazing.
rexmanly ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:42:59 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm crying. I've seen a handful of episodes, and yet this is making me cry-laugh
Arjunnn ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:47:58 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
sort by top for the dankest of comics
rexmanly ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:06:52 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
DANKS SHLEROND
dieDoktor ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:59:38 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
BOJANGLES
Ennion ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 18:43:59 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's a show making fun of nerds and asperger's syndrome.
This is why nerds don't like it and the general population thinks it's hilarious. It's almost at 200 episodes.
[deleted] ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 18:53:15 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
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LtLabcoat ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 00:46:03 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't think so. In fact, I don't think it's even making fun of nerds. Nerds don't like it for one of three things:
1: They just don't think it's that funny.
2: The constant *pause for laughter* annoys them.
3: They haven't given the show a chance, and assume it's actually making fun of nerds, rather than making fun of people exactly like Sheldon (who, y'know, don't exist in real life).
The #3 guys royally tick me off.
Ennion ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:25:03 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I know someone very well who isn't a physics genius, but almost identical to the way he is.
BurritoMaster3000 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:05:57 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's just a classic shitcom
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:36:21 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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bl1y ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 19:41:58 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The characters aren't very smart though. They're the classic TV-smart, where they have some smart credentials, but never act intelligently. We're told they're smart, we don't witness them being smart.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:13:14 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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bl1y ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:04:34 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's not a show about smart people any more than House is a show about a kind doctor.
michealikruhara0110 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:32:26 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
It was never meant to be a nerd comedy. It's a satire of how people view nerd culture from the outside it by pushing that to the extreme. It's kinda stopped being that for most characters later on as they grew as characters and became more realistic, and there are scenes where they try to mix the realism with the satire and it just becomes cringe-worthy. But it's not nerd comedy, nobody thinks nerds are actually like this. If you watch it through that lens then some of it, especially the earlier stuff, becomes funny. Not that I'm saying you should go watch it, but having watched most of the show myself I can say that it was initially and most of it currently is meant as satire.
Mecha_Derp ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:17:04 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I've never heard something so awful
CruzaComplex ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:46:43 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's a show about nerds for people who aren't nerds.
TeamRedundancyTeam ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:11:40 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Isn't that the point? I don't get the massive amount of hate that Big Bang Theory gets. It's very popular, it's funny to it's target audience, and it's obviously very successful. It's like their stereotypes hit some people too close to home and they get defensive or some shit. I don't get it.
bl1y ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:33:44 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They don't hit close to home, they're just mean.
The show is basically just a chance for people to feel superior. Of course that's going to be popular, and of course is going to upset people who are the butt of the non-jokes.
Imagine King of the Hill, but from a point if view of contempt for Hank, rather than a show that seeks to understand and empathize with him.
JohnnyOnslaught ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:58:01 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's what sitcoms are, though. A clique of ridiculous caricatures, and yet the only people who seem to take it seriously are the people who feel that BBT is somehow representing them.
bl1y ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:33:59 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Good sitcoms have characters, not caricatures.
SmellsOfTeenBullshit ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:24:59 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's not supposed to be a nerd comedy though.
NICKisICE ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:29:19 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't think anyone who truly enjoys the show believes it's nerd comedy. It's "I have nerd friends" comedy.
Reddit hates the show because too many of them are the people being made fun of.
lava172 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:51:01 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The first couple seasons are actually good, which is sad because all anybody talks about is the garbage that it now is. It's a pretty good show before they all meet girls. After that point it's just nerd Friends
bl1y ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:52:42 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I barely tolerated the first season. The jokes are just stale and obvious.
Zudane ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:10:20 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This is exactly why I can't stand to watch it. It's really just a sitcom with nerdy characters.
bl1y ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:12:39 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They're shitty nerds though.
They're as nerdy as Tim on Home Improvement is handy, except Tim's failures at home repair are meant to be funny, and are often the result of him simply pushing the envelop too far with more power. On Big Bang they get the nerd stuff wrong, but it's because the writers just don't get any of it. Real nerds would have researched their subject matter better. Or at all.
Zudane ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:41:32 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I can see you're really into this... But yea that's a great analogy.
bl1y ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:09:31 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Gotta put that MFA to use.
pm_me_taylorswift ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:54:37 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My friend describes it as 'nerd blackface'.
norcat ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:48:18 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yep, all Chuck Lorre creations are (traditional sitcoms). This is the same guy who created Two and a Half Men and Dharma and Greg. It boggles my mind why anyone would have any different expectations for Big Bang Theory.
bl1y ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:26:00 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He wrote 5 episodes of Roseanne.
...Though I'm not familiar enough to recognize which.
classactdynamo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:28:53 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You say that, but in the early seasons, I heard conversations that were eerily similar to ones that the two most spaced out nerds in my math doctoral program had. The dialog managed to nail that divorced from reality quality that people like this have. It's just that most people in the program were not like that nor are most of my colleagues now. It's a minority.
rtfurNUTZZ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:20:52 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I hate The Big Bang Theory, but a show that is basically Friends with Ross as every character sounds amazing, if only for the opening credits sequence of all the Rosses in the fountain splashing each other.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:30:50 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's a gimmicky sitcom that doesn't make me laugh. That's why I don't like it. I'll stick to Seinfeld re-runs.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:49:04 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Stupid show about smart people. Unlike a show like arrested development which is the opposite; a smart show about stupid people.
Read something similar to the above here on this website.
bl1y ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:01:41 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They're not smart people though. They're stupid people who we're told are smart.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:12:07 on January 4, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
huh?
The show is fiction, right? They are playing physicist, scientists and engineers who teach at a MiT like school; whether or not they are actually smart their roles in the show are supposed to be actual smart/genius people.
I watch shows and films all the time where some person is supposed to be smart, but I happen to know a little bit about the field they are supposed to be an expert in and catch myself saying "hey! that's not how that works!" (or something similar) and I have to remind myself, it's just a show and they are playing a character.
So, yeah, they might not actually be smart, but their characters are supposed to be and as viewers we should expect them to be the smart people of their world (just like the fact that Chris Hemsworth can't actually fly).
bl1y ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:07:02 on January 4, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If you want a smart character in your story we can't just be told they're smart, we have to see them doing smart things. Show, don't tell, and all that.
What TBBT does is just ask you to believe they're smart instead of writing them smart. If you want Superman to fly, you better get some special effects. Don't show me him running and ask me to imagine him in flight. Don't give me dumb writing and ask me to pretend it's smart.
I'm willing to suspend disbelief. I'm not willing to create the whole damn character.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:00:44 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Honestly every show w a laugh track is 10000 times worse than it would b with out it
Vinvect ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:46:56 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I keep telling people that Big Bang Theory is a dumb show that pretends to be smart, while Futurama is a smart show that pretends to be stupid.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:10:23 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
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bl1y ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:21:22 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The show treats its characters with contempt. Compare with King of the Hill or Rosanne.
SteroidSandwich ยท 553 points ยท Posted at 17:37:50 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I hate Leonard and Penny more.
They aren't compatible. Leonard does all he can to get with a girl and once he does he becomes a douche and pushes her away. Penny just tries to be blissfully ignorant wants to only take from every relationship she is in.
bearkin1 ยท 374 points ยท Posted at 19:09:15 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's actually realistic though. If you don't date many people and go after one girl for a long time, building her up to astronomical levels in your head, if you finally get with her, she might not live up to your expectations.
vxx ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 20:15:04 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
There's also people that manipulate their own relationships because they don't feel worth it deep inside.
not_AtWorkRightNow ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 06:10:13 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
See, I thought Leonard was just kind of a douche. He doesn't really care about Penny any more than the meathead douchebags she usually dates. He just wants to get with the hot chick, and she's the only one he has a chance with.
demostravius ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:50:08 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That doesn't make him a douche, that is what people are naturally like you go for the mate which offers the best offspring. Looks, intellect and location.
not_AtWorkRightNow ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:31:16 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's true, I guess I should clarify. The part I don't like about him is that he comes off as self-righteous to me. Like, he seems to fancy himself as more refined than those other guys, but he isn't.
karlw1 ยท -11 points ยท Posted at 00:46:28 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
But that doesn't fit in with reddit's hatred of the show, so you're wrong.
Edit: you're actually right. Qualified because i am said guy that can't get a girl then pushes them away.
Deto ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 18:52:48 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah I was hoping the show would develop them more to show why they work together other than "she's hot" and "he's nice to her"
lava172 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 01:59:22 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I hate Sheldon and Amy more. They're perfectly compatible but their relationship is basically "Ha! Human relationships sure are weird things" as they're in a human relationship
radredrum ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 05:37:47 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Raj and Amy are the only characters I don't actively dislike.
lava172 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 05:39:42 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I just hate how little character direction they have with Amy. She's a completely different person in every episode.
OortClouds ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:48:56 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
She's often a joke hanger, she is getting better, especially this latest season. Still...
deltarefund ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 18:34:19 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Penny is a dick to him and his friends.
[deleted] ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 23:37:55 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
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deltarefund ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 00:17:01 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, but theoretically he's not supposed to know any better.
GiddyUp18 ยท -8 points ยท Posted at 22:55:09 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Every relationship has a "reacher" and a "settler." Those roles are pretty exaggerated in Big Bang, but I even have friends who have a similar relationship dynamic. So it's not all together unfathomable.
Also, the "reacher-settler" thing came from How I Met Your Mother, which I consider to be the best sitcom of my generation (I'm 32).
emicattt ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 01:32:58 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Definitely not every relationship. Of myself and everyone I know, no-one has had a healthy or lasting relationship where the partners weren't equal.
Edit - healthy relationships are people who like each other! Not people "settling" for someone they think isn't quite good enough.
CrazyKirby97 ยท 657 points ยท Posted at 17:58:11 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Honestly, Big Bang Theory would have actually been decent if they worked in Computer Repair instead of fucking science labs
triggermanx97 ยท 1187 points ยท Posted at 18:10:19 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Watch the IT crowd. It's exactly what you described.
neverelax ยท 729 points ยท Posted at 18:37:45 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"I'm disabled."
Cackles off the chair
[deleted] ยท 97 points ยท Posted at 20:55:35 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
A fire? In a sea parks?
mabalo ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 23:59:50 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
it just, it just... it opens up a lot of questions.
ShallowBasketcase ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 07:00:00 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Just put it over here with the other fire.
RazmanR ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 00:46:24 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I DON'T WANT TO TALK ABOUT IT!!!
African_Farmer ยท 122 points ยท Posted at 20:02:15 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That is quite honestly my favourite TV episode of anything ever. From start to finish it is pure gold.
Sir_Speshkitty ยท 125 points ยท Posted at 21:11:42 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"A gay musical. Called Gay. That's quite gay."
Aruu ยท 49 points ยท Posted at 21:25:31 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"Hold my hand!
"No, that's not my haaaand.."
cocoapuff93 ยท 43 points ยท Posted at 21:37:01 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"Willies. Willies. I love willies"
Aruu ยท 30 points ยท Posted at 21:48:30 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
" Sir, could you keep it down?"
Cole-Spudmoney ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 22:05:48 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"'United Queendom'?! He can't say that, can he?"
firesmacker ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:29:39 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"Me legs don't work!"
something_python ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 21:37:09 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I LOVE WILLIES!
RazmanR ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 00:48:29 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
'Not as long as some musicals'
wittywalrus1 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 02:44:37 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
OH NO! It's set in the eighties...
Thesalanian ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 05:43:49 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"Wait, musicals are already very gay. This must be the GAYEST musical ever!"
Hyperman360 ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 21:50:55 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My favorite is either the stress episode or the game show one.
Zanyo ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 01:54:12 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
STREET COUNTDOWN
Hyperman360 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 02:47:37 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I came here to drink milk and kick ass.
And I've just finished my milk.
JoeDBlackburn ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:19:36 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"The Final Countdown"?
Hyperman360 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:48:00 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah and I think the stress one was Calamity Jen.
JoeDBlackburn ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:24:58 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I really need to rewatch that one, kinda missed most of it first time round. Thanks for the reminder :)
ASCIt ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:06:17 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"Both here and here are as red as a fire engine"
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:46:50 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Or the Internet one where everyone thought the Internet broke and they ran around like it at the end of time
geopotsie ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 22:13:38 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
deleted What is this?
[deleted] ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 02:37:20 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Best part of that episode is the very end. After spending the whole episode convincing this guy that he's not a window cleaner...
stuff_rulz ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 00:55:14 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
When I was watching it for the first time, that episode made me a little uncomfortable because I'm in a wheelchair and not stoked to be reminded of it(also some of the gay stuff was a bit much). But towards the end... Shoot I kind of forget what happened now, but Jen ran into Roy with the wheelchair I think, like "...w...t...f..." and they get through that and then when she turns around and Moss is behind the bar suddenly working there, I absolutely lost it! Hardest I'd laughed in ages.
_ak ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 01:03:00 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My wife and I regularly quote the "I'm disabled" and "leg-disabled" in all kinds of appropriate and inappropriate contexts, in the right high-pitched voice.
That episode is just fantastically written, and fantastically acted. Probably the culmination of Graham Linehan's work.
notHooptieJ ยท 71 points ยท Posted at 19:36:45 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"LEG disabled"
[deleted] ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 00:23:32 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Acid.
Smailien ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:48:39 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hundred to one.
triggermanx97 ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 19:42:42 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The first time I watched that episode I had to actually physically take a break and Collect myself afterwards. So good.
[deleted] ยท 28 points ยท Posted at 21:40:45 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"What kind of disabled?"
"Leg disabled"
AkariAkaza ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 20:57:23 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That scene never fails to make me laugh
englishichistnicht ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 22:18:51 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This was the first IT Crowd episode I watched
AndyGHK ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:52:23 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"Well, how'd he get in?!"
"...IโI don't knoooow!!!!"
Poindexter234 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 09:05:09 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I've never laughed harder then when Jen turns around to see moss
Ghost51 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:23:00 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
How?
Leg disabled!
thesatchmo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:25:45 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"I'm not a window cleaner!"
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:44:50 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's got to be my favourite episode (or the "did you see that ludicrous display last night" one.)
When Jen turns around to order a drink from the bar and Moss just says "yes miss" is one of the best comedy moments ever, I reckon.
AUkSIG ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:19:54 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Willies, Willis, I like willies!
pyroSeven ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:51:09 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"How are you disabled?"
bfilmmaker ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:14:51 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's the episode of IT Crowd that I show people who have never seen the show before.
"Uhh...leg disabled"
neverelax ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:38:54 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Kinda false advertising because it's the funniest thing I've ever seen on TV, so you are setting a bar the show can't meet again.
404Notfound- ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:32:48 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I love willies
we_need_ice ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 20:00:55 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Recording: "IT, have you tried turning it off and on again?"
Caller: "Yes, I tried that."
Recording: "And you're sure it's definitely plugged in?"
Caller: "Oh. That was it. Sorry. Thanks."
CrazyKirby97 ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 18:11:36 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Thanks m8. I'll check it out.
[deleted] ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 21:10:53 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
BRITISH VERSION NOT AMERICAN
British ran for 4 seasons, I think the American one was cancelled after 2 episodes.
Wild_Marker ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 22:42:49 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It got 2? I thought they only made the pilot. Which was the first brittish episode with american actors. And Moss, for some inexplicable reason.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:38:48 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They inexplicably had Joel McHale as wossname. it was terrible in every regard.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:52:50 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He's not a terrible actor though I just don't think he works for a nerd role. Donald Glover would much better suit the funny nerd role
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:11:19 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You're right he isn't a terrible actor. Donglover would have been good. But an American version is just silly.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:23:33 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Why do they make American versions of British Tv shows? I saw the American Versions of the Office and the Inbetweeners and I thought they were far worse in quality.
SUBLIMINAL__MESSAGES ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:08:22 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What didn't you like about the US Office?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:20:03 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
It took all the subtlety and the relatable humour from the British version (as in you could actually believe this was a real office) and made into this loud dumbed-down American thing.
I also just don't like American humour so that's probably the main reason I don't like The American Office.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:50:05 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The American Office is many times better then the British one. That's the only time they successfully took a British show and not only made it good but made it better.
[deleted] ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 19:23:07 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Do so, if awkward goofy British comedy is your thing.
kjbigs282 ยท 30 points ยท Posted at 21:20:04 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Did you see that ludicrous display last night?
triggermanx97 ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 21:23:40 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The thing about arsenal is they always try to walk it in.
RazmanR ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 00:50:22 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What was Wenger thinking sending Walcott on that early?!?
brinz1 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 22:01:05 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Dont you talk shit about IT crowd, that show is a national treasure
triggermanx97 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:26:49 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not talking shit. I fucking love IT Crowd. I'm just telling /u/CrazyKirby97 that it's a show he should watch.
thegoblingamer ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 18:42:53 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I heard good things but the first episode was fucking painful and made me want to kill myself. Is this normal?
felixtheswordsman ยท 28 points ยท Posted at 18:47:43 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They perfectly conveyed the feeling of working in technical support!
drbluetongue ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 19:14:47 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, it gets better. Once you see past the IT stuff and see it as awkward people it's really good.
The Westham scene had me in tears:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CF70kTZHz0E
Ximek ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 19:31:26 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Make sure it's the English original version with Chris O'Dowd and Katherine Parkinson, not the US remake of the pilot.
geopotsie ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 22:17:17 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
deleted What is this?
Sohlayr ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 19:00:45 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Did you try turning it off and then on again?
Lessthanzerofucks ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:34:05 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If you hate the first episode, you will not like any of the rest
iglidante ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:41:38 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I had the same reaction. I just could not make it through another episode after the first one.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:00:41 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It was fine when I watched it. Did you try turning it off and on again?
mucow ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:18:38 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
When evaluating shows, I always count the first episode as a freebie. The tone of the first episode is often very different than the rest of the series.
That said, I'm not a huge fan of the IT Crowd, but they have a few good episodes.
Kougi ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 19:51:49 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
To be fair, sometimes the first episode of a show was made as a low budget pilot to present to producers, so it's only by the 2nd episode that they actually have all the resources that they need.
count_of_monte_fisto ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:16:25 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Just fast forward to season 2. That's where the brilliance starts
Wild_Marker ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 22:43:53 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Nonsense, the fire episode is a classic.
Peltrance ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 02:51:13 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Fire, exclamation mark. Fire, exclamation mark. Help me, exclamation mark. 123 Cavendon Road. Looking forward to hearing from you.
ASCIt ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:09:39 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'll just put this over here with... the rest of the fire...
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:25:31 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Depends on what kind of comedy you like. IT Crowd is goofy cringe comedy, but I like it even though I hate cringe comedy.
nomasideas ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:54:29 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Same here, I hate laugh tracks
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:35:22 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Blackadder Goes Forth is bad because it has a laugh track. Anything that has a laugh track is bad.
Airway ยท -13 points ยท Posted at 19:28:51 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Same. Reddit convinced me it was way better than Big Bang Theory so I put an episode on. It's the same thing as Big Bang Theory.
Sheepvasion ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 18:55:25 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
answers phone "I.T, Have you tried turning it off and on again?" hangs up
anilsen ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:10:27 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And if you want even more hardcore nerdery read BOFH (Bastard Operator From Hell).
BOFHs Wikipedia page, describing the main characters.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:35:35 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Richard Ayoade is my favorite, but I don't like the IT Crowd. But I tend not to like office comedies in general, so I guess I shouldn't have expected to like it.
garrisonc ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:41:33 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Except it's actually funny. And has likeable characters.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:22:12 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
As a British IT guy, I have no idea why I've never watched this.
PC509 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:44:22 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
One of the best shows ever about the topic. A lot of real life stuff in there. :) If you work with computers, there are going to be some parts that you'll think "That's not funny. That shit happened yesterday.".
I'm so sad it's over, though. It was very very well done.
RedBullWings17 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:29:21 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The it crowd is like tbbt but with good writing
rainbow84uk ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:20:09 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I could never get on board with Big Bang Theory because I saw IT Crowd first and it's absolute genius...
UniverseBomb ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:19:47 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Gasmark, egg on your face.
erickliban ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:00:05 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
i tried to get into IT crowd but any show with a laugh track is unbearable to me.
triggermanx97 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:53:06 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah. I can understand that. It's a damn shame too, the whole show is really well done.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:37:35 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Is it funny?
triggermanx97 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:54:13 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The IT crowd is great. However be sure you're watching the British version with Chris O'Dowd. I heard they made an American version that wasn't that good.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:34:09 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
i really want to like this show, because the jokes are clever and well acted, but the fucking laugh track gets to me its so overdone
triggermanx97 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:24:23 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It was a bit hard for me as well. But I found that personally after a little while I eventually was able to just ignore it.
TankerD18 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:06:05 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
There's no way two PhD physicists with research positions at a university wouldn't be able to afford their own houses and have to share an apartment together.
I know it's the whole premise of the show and highlights the main character's social ineptitude, but come on man, those guys wouldn't be hurting for money.
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Enfants ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 04:15:59 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They get paid like 100k+
vadergeek ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 06:32:32 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's not like home ownership is a ludicrous notion.
ManiacalShen ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:51:17 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Postdocs can be badly paid, but the position after that should be noticeably better. Don't lie which stage these characters were on, though; I don't watch the show.
applebottomdude ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:42:28 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Why?
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Je_suis_Pomme ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:19:34 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I love will though.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:02:03 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Wheaton is a douche but a lovable douche. Episodes with Will or Zach are the best.
radredrum ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:35:09 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Helps that he is only really a douche to Sheldon, the other douche
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:14:30 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
There is the time where he breaks up Leonard and Penny just so he can win a game of bowling. He did it to get to Sheldon but it's still pretty crazy.
peachesofjoy ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 16:48:45 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't like The Big Bang Theory and haven't watched it for a while. But why is he so hated?
StezzerLolz ยท 76 points ยท Posted at 17:14:12 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Because it's people who don't understand nerds writing a massive nerd, for a show targeted at people who aren't nerds, and the result is an unflattering, unkind mockery. Not necessarily always an inaccurate one, but it definitely feels like they're laughing at not laughing with.
50paisa ยท 44 points ยท Posted at 18:03:42 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Also most of the jokes are just nerdy/scientific lingo said very fast, there is very little advancement in the plot, character development is unbearably slow and often stagnant, and of course, the usual CBS sitcom criticism of the show not being funny unless it has a laugh track.
puckit ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 19:21:29 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
To be fair, all sitcoms tend to focus more on the jokes than any plot or character development. But I agree with you about the laugh track. I honestly think if it wasn't for that, most people wouldn't recognize most of the punchlines.
50paisa ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 19:36:41 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's true, but shows like Friends, HIMYM, both of which had laugh tracks, actually had character development and a plot that moved forward. The Big Bang Theory hasn't really changed all that much since it started and doesn't seem to be moving towards anything. It's like okay, so the nerds got the girls, now what?
TheNerdWithNoName ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:56:10 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If you you want character development, watch a drama. Sitcom=situation comedy. Not character development comedy.
50paisa ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:27:11 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's not the point. If you watch a show for a long time, you expect the characters to grow and change, regardless of genre. I agree, sitcoms are meant to be funny, but if the story isn't going anywhere and characters aren't growing over time, what's the point of even watching?
Lakridspibe ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:50:40 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It written by people who understands pop culture, like superheroes, comic books, games and such, so there's a lot of jokes about that.
Science they don't understand. Or they don't expect the audience to understand it.
OZONE_TempuS ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 17:21:26 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The writing is just downright cringey at times.
SnapbackYamaka ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:34:21 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Most sitcoms suffer from cringey dialogue at some points
stratdog25 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:30:03 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's like Stephanie Meyer and how she writes male characters in Twilight. So I heard.
StezzerLolz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:59:11 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You have a friend that might have read the books?
TWiThead ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:04:22 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's worth noting that in the 1980s, Bill Prady (The Big Bang Theory's co-creator) was a computer programmer who looked like this.
pappypapaya ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:11:34 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Don't forget there's a laugh track, which covers up how incredibly poor the jokes are.
SpinningNipples ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 11:02:38 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I do like the show, but hate him because he's an inconsiderate asshole. His character makes me laugh, but sometimes he just deserves to be punched.
[deleted] ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 18:06:19 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He's an accurate representation of nerds.
sidepocket13 ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 19:34:22 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
overly sensitive, wanna be nerds who can't take a joke want to gain acceptance of others on reddit by pretending to be offended by a stupid sitcom. that's all it is - they want to feel superior to the general public so they complain about the show. As a larger man who married way up in the looks department, you don't see me hating EVERY FUCKING SITCOM EVER about married guys being bafoons. People need to lighten the fuck up.
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[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:17:36 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The irony in this comment gives me life.
meoka2368 ยท 58 points ยท Posted at 16:31:47 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I enjoy that show, but I do have some complaints.
Mainly they're all too good looking and I doubt that they'd need to have roommates with those jobs.
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canadaThrow123 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 21:09:25 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They would be making at least 60k (starting salary for post doc) up to say 120k as a rough idea. Howard would likely be making the most due to the engineering background.
hrb_ninja ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 17:59:41 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Penny is the waitress. Amy was a scientist.
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hrb_ninja ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:13:06 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
To be fair, the only reason I remembered is because I have a crush on Kaley Cuoco.
fougare ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:45:07 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
glad to know you're straight, or lesbian, or alive.
hrb_ninja ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:42:26 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yep definitely one of those. Maybe all three.
hewhoreddits6 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:35:03 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Fun fact, the actress that plays Amy actually has a PhD in neuroscience. She put her PhD under the miscellaneous section of her resume when she auditioned, and they decided to incorporate that into the character.
someguy12345678900 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:03:22 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
She was Blossom from the NBC show. I'm pretty sure they knew who she was, and didn't give her the role because of what they noticed about her resume during an audition.
~Wikipedia
hewhoreddits6 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:27:20 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Sorry, I think I was unclear. I meant that they made her character a neuroscientist because she was also a neuroscientist. I got my information from when she was telling it on Conan. Link to the interview: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wKPr7rYSQd8
someguy12345678900 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:40:12 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So maybe it was serendipity? And they had already selected her for her role before Raj's comment? Sorry I insinuated that you made that story up, I feel pretty bad about it.
hewhoreddits6 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:58:12 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Haha no need to feel bad, just a misunderstanding. It happens. It's real nice of you to apologize though, I've talked with commenters who have insinuated much worse things and don't care at all when I try to clarify.
fareven ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 20:35:44 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The apartment building where Leonard, Sheldon and Penny live hasn't had the elevator repaired or any upgrades to the lobby or laundry room in nearly a decade. This indicates to me that they don't live in a very high rent neighborhood.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 21:39:50 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well, at least it's clean.
TheShaker ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:39:27 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They seem like PhDs who are somewhat early in their career. It might be reasonable to get a roommate with their salary, especially in Pasadena.
RedDevils9 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:08:13 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
According to a quick Google search, particle physicists make an average of $104,000 annually. I highly doubt they would need roommates.
sonofaresiii ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 18:58:27 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
given what i've seen from the show though (which is admittedly not a lot) their personality types seem like they would have/want roommates even if they didn't need them.
basically they're just like kids living in a club house.
meoka2368 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 19:21:23 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Good analogy.
peppers_ ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:30:58 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If I recall, only the two main characters are/have roommates. The rest live alone or with their mother, wife or dog.
birdreligion ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 20:06:41 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't like how they all get these woman they have nothing in common with. You're really telling me these nerdy guys with good jobs can't find a similar atteaction woman who likes comics and video games too.
Amy and Sheldon sort of work because they are both neurotic genius weirdos.
Also that show is kinda racist.
OortClouds ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:52:03 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Kinda? They lampshaded it in an episode with a black administrator/professor.
birdreligion ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:40:38 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
yeah, i was purposefully underplaying it, but i did totally forget about that time Sheldon called the black Human Resources department head a slave.
or the time he compared having to go to thanksgiving to being a slave and being on a slave ship.
icorrectpettydetails ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 20:15:30 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Sheldon doesn't need a roommate, he could cover the rent for both his and Penny's apartments if he wanted to. He just needs someone around to give him a ride to work and things he doesn't know how to do in life.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:37:55 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They definitely wouldn't need to have roommates, though Pasadena (they teach at CalTech, right?) is quite pricey. But they're not all too good looking. I would say that, by conventional standards, they're probably less attractive than the average professors and/or scientists.
fougare ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:44:31 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Sheldon has a lot of money in savings and hidden across the apartment. I imagine Leonard does as well. Sheldon also doesn't drive (unless he started sometime after season 5) so he has the need for a chaffeur.
They all seem to eat an ungodly amount of take out/delivery, go out to the point of having assigned restaurants on days of the week, and have frequent comic store days and other not-so-cheap hobbies. I'm assuming a lot of that money goes into that.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 09:49:01 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I really don't see how any of them are "too good looking" except Penny.
that-writer-kid ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:18:32 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Nah. I know people with comparable jobs (museum researchers) who need roommates. And they've got it pretty cushy.
dmkicksballs13 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:10:33 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think someone actually pointed out that the show lost its luster not because the guys misrepresented nerds but because the introduction of women into their lives. The entire point of Penny was that she hung out with people she shouldn't because she was so idealized by them. Then each of them snags retardedly attractive women, so, Penny's role seizes to make sense.
Adamname ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:08:45 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ceases
qx87 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:58:36 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They never cook
[deleted] ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 18:05:46 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They do get Chinese food and pizza pretty often it seems.
Emperorerror ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:17:44 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Scientists don't make much money.
[deleted] ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 16:39:03 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
But his sister is so hot.
NPK5667 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:26:20 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I really just want to punch him
akeyjavey ยท 141 points ยท Posted at 17:14:14 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I mean, Sheldon is pretty realistic but only once you realise he basically has extreme autism
rosiedoes ยท 736 points ยท Posted at 18:11:41 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
People with extreme autism can't speak or go to the toilet by themselves.
He has, at worst, extremely mild, high functioning autism or Aspergers.
discipula_vitae ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 19:26:51 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yep. I've worked with moderate level autistic children a while back. I remember one kid that would interact with me pretty well, but couldn't speak, and if you touched him, he'd act like he was peeling off the air over where you touched as if to rid himself of your essence that you left behind.
CosmicPenguin ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:15:04 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
As someone who is autistic, don't do that. Hell, don't even sit near me.
Arty6060 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 01:48:12 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And then the writers completely contradict that by saying he was tested as a kid and they found no mental disability. It's as if their main goal is to enforce the stereotype.
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sonofaresiii ยท 46 points ยท Posted at 18:57:33 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
he indicated it was mild
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_ak ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 01:06:43 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I have no idea why you're being downvoted. Maybe it's the apostrophe, which wasn't present in /u/rosiedoes's post. That's what must be annoying some people on the artistic spectrum.
Rhals_ ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 02:19:54 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm on the Picasso end of the artistic spectrum and can confirm I'm annoyed.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 04:02:46 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's because he was nitpicking.
rosiedoes ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 19:15:41 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, hence my saying 'or Aspergers' as in 'or high functioning autism by its more familiar name'. My friend has it and my best friend is a specialist care worker for adults who really do have extreme autism.
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rosiedoes ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:26:49 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Thanks for the advice.
stonebit ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 20:02:02 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Try telling an aspie that they don't have asperger's. I think they'll disagree with calling themselves autistic. I have first hand knowledge of both and they are quite different. Just because the name was removed from the DSM doesn't mean it's not different.
Blue-ish_Steel ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 22:44:11 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If you said that I'd ask you not refer to me as 'an aspie'. Maybe 'person with asperger's'?
Besides which, they are different in severity, but they're effectively the same condition.
Source: my support worker, who made a point of informing me that it was referred to as an autistic spectrum disorder rather than Asperger's.
stonebit ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:08:14 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
There are groups of people with asperger's and they refer to themselves as aspies. Personally, i just call them kids or people.
It is autism, but like i said, the difference between asperger's and full on autism is huge, hence the usefulness of calling this mild type of autism asperger's.
My source is first hand interacting every week with kids that are autistic or have asperger's.
Dashing_Snow ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 00:37:48 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It still exists just it's now broken up into like 5 different conditions because who the fuck knows why
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Dashing_Snow ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 01:20:52 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah it still exists as I said they changed it because who the fuck knows why.
Jacob_Mango ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:19:46 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Sooo, what you are telling me is I have nil mental problems? I thought Aspegers was now Autism. Although I had the mildest forms of Aspegers. Who knows what.
opto16 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:40:13 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Or some people are just a little socially strange. But lets diagnosis everything and give them medication.
RemedyofNorway ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 00:06:08 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Sheldon is socially strange indeed, but he does actually display several key aspects of aspergers /HFA.
Aspies often do not consider it to be a handicap or something bad, it is only different. Like different operating systems in humans, where there are pros and cons with the different systems.
klethra ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:43:16 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And exactly what meds would you give someone with autism or Asperger's? It's a helpful descriptor that lets people who could use some extra help get the help they need. Fuck off with this. The world has gotten so much better for people on the spectrum in the last thirty years it's not even funny. In the eighties, they would've been stuck in an institution and drugged 24/7.
opto16 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:07:16 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No in the 80's they would have been just a kid that was a little strange. Not a moderate Autistic child with special needs on adderall or ritalin. If you don't think kids are over medicated nowadays you are living under a rock. You don't have to give a diagnosis for every kid with some awkward social component. And yes I do fully understand autism is real and can be debilitating.
klethra ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:55:26 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I work with a guy who has autism and is currently unmedicated. In the 80s, he lived in a mental hospital where he was drugged up so hard that he slept upwards of 16 hours per day. I don't know where you're getting this idea that people didnt get medicated in the eighties, but it's completely wrong. Mental care has advanced incredibly since the deinstitutionalization movement began, but I sincerely hope you don't prefer lobotomies and ECT to drugs.
violetxrain ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:21:09 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think people just like to have a name for what's wrong with them because the first step to solving a problem is identifying the issue.
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Forever_Awkward ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 00:27:57 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And yet, people being sick and having disorders is actually a thing. Defaulting to "nah, nobody has that, it's all bullshit" is bad.
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Neosovereign ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 03:34:12 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
lol, I'm in medical school, where the hell are my backpacks and water bottles? I would love some!
You obviously have no idea what medical school is like, so please don't spread misinformation.
ScumDogMillionaires ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 04:52:42 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Seriously. Also in med school and I've never had a single interaction with anyone tied to big pharma.
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Neosovereign ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:25:08 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
UAMS in Arkansas. I'd appreciate if you didn't make general statements like "medical students receive gifts from pharma companies" (paraphrased), and maybe I wouldn't feel the need to defend myself.
The study you link to explores pharma company involvement in "developing nations", and I would expect places like that to have more of a problem with private intrusion into medical students life.
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Neosovereign ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:39:27 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No problem, I'm sure it happens, but I've never seen it.
Bibibis ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:11:26 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
But don't you dare stick my child with that vaccine, you monster!
A_Deep_Sigh ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:00:17 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
As someone whose brother has Aspergers, Sheldon is pretty spot-on.
JUDGE_YOUR_TYPO ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:53:33 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The DSV put Aspergers on the autism spectrum.
rosiedoes ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:13:55 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I know. Read my other comments.
UnholyDemigod ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:17:06 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's quite a little more than mild
Pipthepirate ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 18:49:20 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Aspergers no longer exists. Its just part of the autism spectrum
rosiedoes ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:14:15 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, the 'or' refers to the high functioning autism by its more familiar term.
JurijFedorov ยท -9 points ยท Posted at 20:34:42 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No, that's autism with mental retardation. Meaning autism with lower than 70 IQ. High fictional autism is autism in people with high IQ like Sheldon.
rosiedoes ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 20:42:27 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not true. Some of the youngsters my friend works with are extremely intelligent but can't speak and can't take care of themselves.
JurijFedorov ยท -9 points ยท Posted at 20:51:21 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They are not intelligent I assume. Intelligent means high IQ. I bet their IQ is under 70. Have they been tested?
rosiedoes ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 21:24:52 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You assume.
JurijFedorov ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 21:40:52 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, I assume. This is why I asked you. Have they been tested for an IQ by a professional and educated psychologist?
rosiedoes ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:11:15 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not their carer, I don't have their medical records or the studies that they've been involved with and I imagine you know that it would be inappropriate to share them online even if I did. I do know that two of the six I'm familiar with through her do have additional disorders or difficulties - it's a unit for those with challenging behaviours, and disorders running parallel with autism are very common.
All I can reasonably tell you is that my friend and her colleagues, who are specialist carers at an autism-only unit, do consider some of their service users very intelligent and competent in ways that the average person would not expect from someone who cannot say more than a few dozen words.
But let's go back to the original point. Sheldon, if he were on the autism spectrum, would not be considered "extreme" he would be considered mild, at the end of the spectrum formerly (and by most people, still) associated with Asperger syndrome. The point being, someone who is short with their friends and doesn't really grasp normal emotions is really the tip of the iceberg with autism.
JurijFedorov ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 22:14:55 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, that was my very first comment. Autism is a lack of ToM and high intelligent people can be as autistic as retarded people. But high intelligent people will have their intelligence to be able to survive on. Rainman is one of those kind of autists. Temple Grandin is another one who lives alone but actually has a job. But a lot of retarded people also have autism. And they can not live by themselves.
rosiedoes ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:18:16 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well, indeed. Perhaps we're talking at cross purposes, somewhat.
We probably agree that the person I originally responded to didn't appreciate that whatever Sheldon's intelligence, in comparison to others on the spectrum, he would be considered far from extreme?
JurijFedorov ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 22:22:59 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I would guess Sheldon has an IQ of 150. But he has autism to a degree (it's not called asperger's anymore)
rosiedoes ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:28:32 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I know it isn't, but most people are still more familiar with the term, which is why I added it to the sentence.
My friend still identifies as having Asperger's, so I'm happy to take his lead.
rosiedoes ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:28:33 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I know it isn't, but most people are still more familiar with the term, which is why I added it to the sentence.
My friend still identifies as having Asperger's, so I'm happy to take his lead.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:09:28 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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JurijFedorov ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:15:36 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, but austism is not IQ. So one can be very autistic but intelligent or not autistic and retarded.
FredAstaireTappedTht ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 19:59:35 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Danny Pudi's Abed (Community) is a better example of a tv character 'on the spectrum'.
Zacoftheaxes ยท 163 points ยท Posted at 17:39:15 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The problem though is the writers say he doesn't have autism, so they basically gave themselves a free pass to make jokes about autistic people without getting any of the flak for it.
BringingSassyBack ยท 28 points ยท Posted at 19:55:01 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Oh so THAT'S why they insist he's not autistic. Can't believe I didn't realize that.
TWiThead ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 22:36:22 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Contrast their series with Community, which featured this exchange in its pilot episode.
An actual diagnosis was never established, but Dan Harmon wasted no time acknowledging the likelihood (via other characters' hurtful derision and childish mockery, no less).
premature_eulogy ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:12:12 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He does say his mother had him tested but his mother regrets not following up with another doctor.
rebelcan ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 05:56:59 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's my beef with the show too. When I point it out, people tend to get uncomfortable. Then again, I don't have to point it out often, as I don't know many people who like (or even watch) the show.
LOTM42 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:23:49 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What? It's a comedy they shouldn't need a pass to make jokes.
Zacoftheaxes ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:25:43 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I have no problem with them making jokes about disabilities (I myself am moderately disabled) but if you're going to make jokes about a controversial subject you should be upfront about it.
LOTM42 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 03:32:57 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Why? Why should they be blunt and straightforward about it? What advantage does that bestow
starobacon ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 19:21:06 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I always feel like Sheldon is based solely on C-3PO. He even moves like him sometimes.
wizofan ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 22:14:06 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That even comes up in the show. I remember Rajesh saying regarding C3PO: "He's like a shiny Sheldon".
starobacon ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:21:06 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's awesome!
BringingSassyBack ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:55:14 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Holy shit.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:05:49 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He doesn't have autism. The creators said that. Sheldon is like that because he grew up socially isolated
Fazzy ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:18:50 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
How can something so blatantly wrong get so many up votes?
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:19:11 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Stop trying to learn about developmental disorders from youtube comments.
CosmicPenguin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:01:46 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Sheldon has cartoon autism. Nothing realistic about it.
joemeister1 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 19:56:25 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I am a physicist. I understand the show is not full of intelligent comedy, but me and my classmates in physics did exactly the kind of shit that would happen in the show, which made it very entertaining for me at least. The situations can be pretty spot on. There was an episode where two of them are just sitting and staring at an equation on a whiteboard while Eye of the Tiger plays in the background, and I was like "Yeah, that's pretty much how it feels."
reduxxuderredux ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 23:08:18 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm a first year physics student, and every single one of my professors has talked about watching the show and liking it. I just don't get reddit's deal over hating it so much.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:42:18 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Did you also do laser balloon skeet shooting? Because that actually looks like a lot of fun to me.
joemeister1 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:17:19 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
We haven't, but we COULD. #physics
_TheBgrey ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 19:02:43 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The reason I hate it is because they use nerd Humour without any credibility or realism. Just made up shit that's insulting and panders to crowds who don't know the difference. In one episode sheldons world of warcraft account gets hacked and he cries over a stolen chocobo. Two entirely different games, wtf writers?
Shibboleeth ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:32:58 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hollywood writers slip stuff like that in (or the four hands on one keyboard scene from NCIS) to see if they can get away with it. They're gags that a lot of people won't pick up on.
SimonCallahan ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 19:00:02 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If anything he's actually perfectly realistic. I've known quite a few "Sheldons" in my time, and all of them were insufferable pricks.
Hey, if you're holding a mirror up to your audience and they see themselves, you're doing something right.
kingfrito_5005 ยท 25 points ยท Posted at 19:31:18 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Except in the show he is portrayed as an actual genius instead of thinking he is a genius. That's the part that is offensive its antiintellectualism. Also he's clearly autistic.
Hothera ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 19:51:30 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
There are plenty of actual geniuses who are very arrogant.
Landredr ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:10:47 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Name three.
VioletCrow ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:33:09 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And plenty who are not.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:04:03 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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VioletCrow ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 22:47:29 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That their nerd caricature is harmful for people labeled nerds, and needlessly so.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 05:15:30 on January 4, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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VioletCrow ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:50:52 on January 4, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ad hominem, and a beautiful one at that. I'll debate you when you can provide something interesting to argue against.
kingfrito_5005 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 05:20:12 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Sure, there are plenty of people of all intelligence that are arrogant.
hakuna_tamata ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:19:30 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Or it could be all of the social isolation growing up.
kingfrito_5005 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:14:16 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I probably dont know the show as well as you but I wasnt aware of any isolation. From everything I have seen, he had a very ordinary child hood in a standard texas household which is very much not isolation. Also even if I am wrong isolation doesnt explain a complete and total lack of social comprehension. He isnt awkward, he is genuinely confused by simple emotional concepts, and obsessive about particular types of details. Thats not the same as just not being able to pick up on social ques.
Sun-Anvil ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 18:15:02 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That
SHIELDAgentLevel7 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:01:26 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think I hate Amy just a little bit more. Initially she was billed as the female Sheldon and that was alright. They needed a female nerd on the show, I guess, esp. since Penny and Bernadette aren't.
But I watched an episode really and she's definitely not the female nerd anymore. Like Sheldon and Co are the nerds, and Amy's the girlfriend they occasionally have to stop being nerds for. As a girl ... I dunno. It would've been cool to see them having a girl nerd somewhere in the crew, but now Amy's just socially awkward and a little desperate but without the interest in nerd culture.
infernal_llamas ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:47:20 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I just hate him because I don't find it funny and he is a jerk.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:09:37 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm getting a degree in physics. I've finished all my classes, all I have left is student teaching which I start in a week. In my four years in the physics program and all the time I've spent around physicists, I've met plenty of real-life Sheldons. As well as people like other characters in the show. It's more accurate than people are willing to accept, in my experience. Maybe that's why "nerds" are so offended by it.
Also calling it "nerd blackface" is just asinine.
MidgardDragon ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:25:28 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Sorry but universally? No, Big Bang Theory isn't one of the most widely watched shows for nothing. Sheldon is a large part of what keeps viewership on that show, too.
Aardvark_Man ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:26:48 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What I find amazing is that he actually mirrors people with some pretty solid disorders, and people think it's unrealistic.
The obsession with trains, for example, I've heard my auntie (I primary school principal) and my mum (was a counselor in a primary school) both say is a massive red flag for... I think it was autism, not 100%.
GalacticProfessor ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 09:27:05 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, my younger brother has similar patterns, and it actually puts things in a different light. Doesn't excuse everyone else, but whatever.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:28:58 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ho Lee Sheet, you hit that one on the head.
Very good friend basically IS Sheldon [minus the academic accomplishment]: Snobby about every damn nerd thing, constant correcting everybody about everything [even matters of taste, and things about which he is actually, demonstrably wrong,] effete, arrogant, the whole nine yards.
Deep down a great guy, most people can't handle the prickly, picky, off-putting exterior, but I know the whole man so I get where he's coming from. But again, basically Sheldon.
And he absolutely cannot stand Sheldon, rages for hours about BBT, and of course must endure the occasional person who, very unwisely, compares him to Sheldon while I quickly hide from the fallout. : )
Lanza21 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:33:16 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Theoretical physicist here. I've never met an individual remotely like Sheldon. None. Literally zero. The other characters on the show are more plausible, though highly exaggerated, but Sheldon is just an amalgamation of all the worst characteristics in nerd and/or geek culture.
self_arrested ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:01:19 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's better put like this it's a sitcom for dumb people about smart people so dumb people can think they are smart.
The_Pale_Blue_Dot ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:31:38 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I know that Sheldon and BBT are disliked on reddit, but it's simply incorrect to say he's "universally" hated. Most casual viewers tend to love his character (for reasons I can't fathom).
There is a world outside of reddit, y'know.
GalacticProfessor ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:24:34 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I actually like him because he reminds me of my autistic brother. I realize that it's probably not how the character is supposed to be viewed, but that's just my thoughts on it.
imadandylion ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:45:28 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
yep. i personally believe the main characters represent true parts of Nerd Cultureโข, and the people who aggressively point out how wrong the show is end up mirroring the show.
Noggin-a-Floggin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:47:54 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Sheldon reminds me way too much of some uber-nerdy people I've met in my life who aren't funny: they drive you up the wall because they aren't fans of abstract thinking and are incredibly pretentious. I can't stand him because he reminds me of this one dude that would flat-out insult your interests to your face because they don't interest him so they are bad.
persephonethedamned ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:58:16 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I hate asking and opening old wounds and potentially starting a circlejerk... But what is reddit's beef with this show? I've never seen it.
falseidentity123 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:40:08 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No you are wrong. There is noting humourous about this show.
Bran_Solo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:52:48 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That show is about smart people the same way Legally Blonde is about feminist lawyers.
Snarkycakes ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:48:51 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I like the jokes and think he's really talented but the stereotypy slap stickiness of the whole show could be toned down.
AlmightyRuler ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:50:21 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Much the same with asking WoW players their take of the South Park episode "Make Love, Not Warcraft." Half of us thought it was brilliant, the other half were not amused. Which made it funnier for the first half.
wiseoldtabbycat ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:45:21 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Sheldon was fine, I related to him quite a lot. I didn't like the way the other characters treated him and seemingly ignored the fact he displayed a desire to overcome concrete difficulties in several areas of social cues (including sarcasm). I really could have done without Amy as well, she didn't add much to his character other than being "obligatory love interest" instead of the show letting him be happy by himself.
The show as a whole was awful sadly.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:58:38 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
knock knock knock Penny? knock knock knock Penny? knock knock knock Penny?
ellinorianne ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:21:00 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This show is so horrific. I thought there was something wrong with me for not like it? How can this be so popular? HOW?
LINK_DISTRIBUTOR ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:42:42 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Zimbabwe
kidofpride93 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:51:48 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Everything about him infuriates me
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:42:16 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's one of those dumb sitcoms where there are two approaches to it.
You find the characters' misfortune funny, and like the show.
You find the characters' very irritating, and therefore each show isn't only not funny, but a montage of people who you hate, meaning you despise it.
I am firmly in the second category. It feels impossible to be indifferent to.
joeraccoon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:47:18 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Nerd blackface... keeping it
bmwatson132 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:56:33 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
But even if you have the self awareness to to realize you sound like the character you still have to voice your complaints, it's a kind of a Catch-22 explaining why that show is basically "nerd blackface," as you so well put it.
Screen_Watcher ยท 169 points ยท Posted at 18:06:58 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Shut up Wesley!
PompeyMagnus1 ยท 22 points ยท Posted at 20:48:33 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"Don't mention it.... weesleeyyyyy"
Jhesus_Monkey ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 21:57:30 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"He calls everyone Wesley . . . Don't know why."
xole ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:30:59 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I never minded Westley. But it's awesome how a child actor on star trek became a geek demigod.
CarbFiend ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 05:50:52 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think Wesley Crusher: Teenage Fuck Machine turned it around
Hingl_McCringleberry ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:21:05 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You should be nicer to Whhil Whhheaton
trekbette ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:00:44 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I love Wil Wheaton. He's clever and makes me laugh. Wesley though... not a fan. He character was to much of a deus ex machina.
I'm not a fan of all this Y.A. stuff with kids as the only one who can save us all. That bugs me. Teenagers are dumb walking hormones, not the saviors of the world.
NickTheChocolate ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:49:36 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Yes, that character did manage to annoy people on ST:TNG
I seem to remember a newsgroup called alt.wesley.crusher.die.die.die
Glad that Wil has a much better relationship with nerd culture now than his character did then.
That_80sGuy ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 22:14:17 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
/u/wil
PegasaurusBob ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 23:43:04 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
/u/wil
ShallowBasketcase ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:26:03 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He's not fucking Beetlejuice.
GalacticProfessor ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 09:14:09 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You don't know that.
/u/wil
Imperium_Dragon ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 19:53:21 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Young Anakin Skywalker.
And the one, the only, DIO Brando.
SMT_YHVH ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:01:45 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Sir, people actually like DIO Brando.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 03:28:17 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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Trengence ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 05:14:04 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
When I get really mad at someone, I always ask myself "am I mad enough to drop a fucking steamroller on this person?" the answer is usually yes
Imperium_Dragon ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:08:24 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
How can you like a guy who steals a girl's first kiss?
SMT_YHVH ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:28:55 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I dunno. Maybe it's that voice of his, or his Stand.
eddieswiss ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 22:43:53 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Dolores Umbridge. Fuck you, you toad-faced abomination.
RedQueenHypothesis ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 23:26:24 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The cryptarch.
loveandmonsters ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:38:23 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Rahool sucks balls but Ives is my bro
booshdragon ยท 326 points ยท Posted at 19:19:23 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The Fox head who cancelled Firefly.
[deleted] ยท 59 points ยท Posted at 21:29:14 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That bastard took the sky from me...
[deleted] ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 22:01:22 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Her name is Gail Berman
Draugron ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 01:35:43 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Cover it up and explain it away, but we will never forget. WE WILL NEVER FORGET WHAT YOU DID GAIL.
Efpophis ยท 34 points ยท Posted at 20:47:53 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You spelled Fuck wrong. The Fuck head who cancelled Firefly.
Metlman13 ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 21:54:54 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Wasn't a ton of other shows cancelled around that time, like Futurama and Family Guy?
fuzzynyanko ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 22:58:47 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And it's forever gone. Most fans say that any change in series means that they won't watch.
ThatUsernameWasTaken ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 07:25:17 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think any attempt to re-boot with the same cast would be a disaster after this long, especially if they kept things with Wash the way they are.
Another story set in the same universe, though? Hell yeah! I need me some more space western.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:43:52 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
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Maclimes ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 04:14:49 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I tend to agree. As much as I love Firefly, I'm worried that any addition to the franchise can't possibly live up to my expectations. Better that it burned out than fade away.
fuzzynyanko ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:22:50 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I agree. I think this is what made Avatar: The Last Airbender so good. They had a planned end to the series
Synner40 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:20:48 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
probably the same fox head who canceled Futurama
WIlhelmgrimm ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:57:38 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Bernie Madoff
mikey_says ยท -7 points ยท Posted at 22:53:05 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I can't possibly be the only one who thinks that show is extremely overrated
ptolemy18 ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 23:38:47 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I suppose it's inevitable that someone is going to post this comment, so it may as well be me.
There are two kinds of people in the world: people who love Firefly and people who are objectively wrong and can't be trusted.
_SnesGuy ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:22:59 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You just made me realize this is going to be my new date test.
ptolemy18 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:27:13 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So...uh...how YOU doin'?
/kidding
greevous00 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:19:50 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My guess would be that you only watched an episode or two. Like most Sci Fi franchises, it takes a few episodes (or in the case ot ST:TNG, a few seasons) to get its legs. I tried to introduce it to a friend, and he watched a couple of episodes and said "Meh." So I said "watch two more episodes before you decide." Hooked.
UniverseBomb ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:31:51 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I watched the while thing and still hate it. It's a really dry western sci-fi, just not my thing. Loved that neat little action film, Serenity.
Richardmg9 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:23:47 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I disagree. My favorite content is episode 1. I think repeat watches are needed though.
greevous00 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:36:33 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That could be. I would say that when I saw it for the first time I had no clue what was going on in episode 1. It seemed kind of disjointed at the time, but maybe watching it again after you'd gotten into the series would make it make more sense.
Richardmg9 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:46:49 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Episode 1 or the pilot?
greevous00 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:55:00 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Might have been the pilot. It's been a while.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 09:27:06 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hey, I'm with you. Joss Whedon's Cute Dialogue: IN SPACE!
Whedon's dialogue wore out its welcome with me real quick. And without that, Firefly is just Blake's Seven without the charm.
dirty_beans ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 05:53:28 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ok Sheldon ...
thefran ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 09:39:43 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
wow like in the bangy-bongy hypothesis show
5171 ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 06:56:59 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Get over it bruh
[deleted] ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 23:53:57 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What is nerd culture? Becuse people are talking about multi million dollar franchises here. Most of this is pop culture.
xahnel ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:23:39 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Nerd culture would be everything nerds were tortured for liking before the bullies grew up and made it pop culture.
[deleted] ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 19:16:39 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
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wiseoldtabbycat ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 00:53:08 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I really don't get the hate this dude gets. Sure, he's no hero like Link but he persued a career he's good at and is able to devote time to his hobby. That's a lot more than most real people can say they have.
Bokonomy ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:55:38 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Because he dares to wear tights with moovs/his voice. If he looked like a normal guy, I doubt anyone would remember him.
moneymet ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 04:31:14 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Nah man, that guy is great. I love that greedy little bastard.
It's too bad USA didn't get his game.
Joabyjojo ยท 47 points ยท Posted at 21:24:52 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I've played a lot of Call of a Duty and my mum has a lot of haters.
But she also seems to have a lot fans, embarrassed though they are about their fandom.
Njefup ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:57:02 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I hear ya.. There have been plenty prepubescent boys or teenaged girls (can't tell) that let me know how much my mom gets around. It's apparently a lot.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:53:42 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I loved your mom, especially that finger thing
Wickedintheheights ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 18:10:44 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Fucking Tammy
Grandmaofhurt ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:57:16 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
BIRDPERSON!!!! NOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!
IronOhki ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:41:41 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
/r/FuckTammy
Herpbees ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 21:15:06 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Alex Krychek...I fucking hate him
BloodAngel85 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:47:38 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That guy was an asshole, always acting like he was on Mulder and Scully's side even though he took orders from Cancer Man.
AllTheCheesecake ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:13:37 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
So pretty though. No, for real, Krycek's origin episode where he is employed by the FBI and works with M/S is really bizarre and there's never any resolution to it. I like to believe he's still on payroll through to the end.
BeSmartNoGetYouPussy ยท 110 points ยท Posted at 17:16:42 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Steve 'did I do that' Urkel.
binary_ghost ยท 59 points ยท Posted at 17:41:33 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He may have played the heel, but we all still loved our nerdy neighbor Steve. Did you know he was only supposed to be in a couple (if not just the one) episodes? He was so good they kept him and basically built the show around him.
mysteriouszion ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 19:22:37 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Urkel was the face everyone hated, then slowly turned heel, like the Rock.
3-cheese ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 00:56:40 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You can say that again. Fun fact: He's featured prominently on season 1 of the DVD set, yet he wasn't even introduced yet as a character.
Shibboleeth ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 20:50:27 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Similar to Michael J. Fox and Family Ties. The show was intended to focus on the mother, but his character became wildly popular so they focused more on him.
binary_ghost ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:58:53 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Oh wow, I guess if you can make a big enough first impression with an audience it can change things really fast.
JournalofFailure ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:45:18 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Most of the first season had already been shot by the time Urkel appeared, so they quickly wrote and filmed new Urkel scenes and inserted them into the new episodes. (I think some of them were cold opens and ending scenes.)
binary_ghost ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:56:46 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Oh yeah thats cool, he really made an impression!
Hingl_McCringleberry ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 20:19:18 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'll just leave this here
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:58:03 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
There is no Jaleel, only Steve.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:48:06 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I agree with you that he's hateful, but universally hated? I'd say not. In fact, at the time, it was the Urkel character that saved "Family Matters"--not arguably so, but certainly so. People would not have watched that show at the time without Urkel, and it would have been cancelled and forgotten.
IronOhki ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:34:37 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That show made no sense. The average episode was 50% Steve Urkel scenes and 50% scenes of a normal family having conversations about nothing interesting or funny while they did boring stuff together.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:58:39 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It seemed like it was meant to be a more relatable Cosby Show, aimed at an audience that didn't have Huxtable money. The problem is that it just wasn't very funny.
kieranfitz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:29:38 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Oh for the love of the old gods yes. Every time a clip of that cunt comes on I want to rip his fucking larynx out.
[deleted] ยท 163 points ยท Posted at 18:35:27 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
I'm so fresh ya can suck my nuts
son-of-spam ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 22:59:57 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Cersei may have her (huge) flaws but 95% of what she does is to either impress her father or protect her children. Seeing her perspective in the books is a great trick by GRRM
purplepenguinpants ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 09:00:34 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It also honestly really helps to read all her chapters assuming she is completly shitfaced. It really kind of explains a great deal of the horrible decision making.
son-of-spam ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:16:57 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I love that lmao
Z4Z3R ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 21:39:49 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You're supposed to hate cersei so I feel like that doesn't really count.
persephonethedamned ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 21:43:42 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Cersei is awesome the more wine she drinks, though! I've really been enjoying her the past two seasons. I think her pitiful husband and piece of shit heir son took it's toll on her at the beginning.
ShiftTHPS ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 00:31:22 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Nah cersei was a bitch even before the whole Robert marriage deal. There's quite a few chapters in the books where that becomes quite clear
LogginWaffle ยท 27 points ยท Posted at 22:59:59 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
How is To Kill a Mockingbird part of nerd culture?
Irresistibilly ยท 22 points ยท Posted at 02:39:32 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Literature nerds are people too, Mr. Waffle.
[deleted] ยท 33 points ยท Posted at 00:52:45 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The kids holed up in the library were the original nerds before video games were a twinkle in anyone's eye :)
Intanjible ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:09:58 on January 4, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This was back in the days when being a nerd actually meant succeeding academically at the cost of a social life.
jackunderscore ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 00:15:59 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
my first question
pinkkittenfur ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 23:44:09 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Shame! ๐๐๐
peanutkid ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:46:09 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
She deserved every second of that
Dougdahead ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 20:01:41 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
To Kill A Mockingbird was required viewing in school for 5 years. I remember seeing it for the first time in 5th grade and watched it every year in English class until high school. I really enjoyed that film. So did everyone in class
PompousDishTowel ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 00:04:56 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
The movie's good but the book was kind of a bore because of how our class read it.
thatgoat-guy ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 00:22:46 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I thought the book was good, though it is al little slow paced.
PompousDishTowel ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 00:34:43 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's definitely not a bad book. My teacher just extended it for almost two months so everyone was ready to be done with it.
thatgoat-guy ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:00:23 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Damn, your teacher sounds like she sucks.
PompousDishTowel ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:19:45 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
She had read the book like 30 something times and called it the best piece of American literature, so she had a bias towards how we'd like it.
XavierVE ยท 31 points ยท Posted at 19:24:39 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Rob. Liefeld.
Sure, he's not a "character" but there is no better answer. Fuck Rob Liefeld.
margarine_of_evil ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 05:54:49 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
As terrible an artist as he was and as ridiculous as his designs were...You gotta remember one thing:
He gave us Deadpool.
IronOhki ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 06:40:58 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm a terrible artists myself. His success gave us terrible artists so much hope. He's like jesus to terrible artists.
Ohhnoes ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:32:41 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Don't diss the pouch-lord.
IronOhki ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 06:39:30 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I heard a story, never did confirm it, that at a convention Rob drew someone a giant anthropomorphic pouch.
PatrickRsGhost ยท 35 points ยท Posted at 18:36:38 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Professor Umbridge and Rita Skeeter. Two of the most-hated characters in the Harry Potter universe.
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 22:12:30 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I want to punch Rita.
I'm not kidding.
I want to punch her.
PatrickRsGhost ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 22:39:29 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Especially how she painted Hermione as, as Ron put it, a "scarlet woman". Which is actually rather clever; it vaguely references Hawthorne's The Scarlet Letter.
I remember once yelling, "That bitch!" while reading one of the articles in Goblet of Fire and then probably more often during Order of the Phoenix when one of the Educational Decrees was enforced. Or something she said or did to Harry or one of the other students. And I was glad when the centaurs carried her off.
jawshgoodnight ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 18:59:44 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I have the biggest cougar boner for Rita. I don't care what anyone says.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 07:55:15 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
TIL Harry Potter fans = nerds
Globertbaratheon ยท 759 points ยท Posted at 17:35:31 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Skyler White
LukeBabbitt ยท 931 points ยท Posted at 18:56:15 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Skyler was insufferable at times, but also had her life completely destroyed by an abusive, violent, remorseless drug kingpin. What was her worst crime, that she was "naggy"?
[deleted] ยท 64 points ยท Posted at 20:48:42 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Her worst crime was when she sang happy birthday mr president.
Cyberslasher456 ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 03:59:55 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I cringed so hard in that scene I had to mute my TV
Paddy_Tanninger ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 01:23:20 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That and that huge Easter Island lookin face.
RandomMandarin ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 23:14:35 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The one and only thing I really don't like about Breaking Bad is that we never get a coherent explanation of why Walt dumped Gretchen and sold his share of Gray Matters. It's perverse! It doesn't make sense! They could have said, "Oh, Walt had a one-night stand with Skyler and she got pragnent with babby and the rest is history" but no, no good explanation, and it's only his central motivation!!!! that he didn't get crazy rich because he walked away and we DON'T KNOW WHY
Gretchen says "You left ME"
so it's not like she dumped him
!!!!!!!!!!
I swear, it's like a canker sore
drives me nuts
and they could have explained it in 30 seconds.
But no.
ArtSchnurple ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 23:27:44 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I definitely understand why someone would be frustrated by that, but I love that aspect of this show. You're left to fill in the blanks yourself, and it's really interesting to me what people come up with to fill them in. I mean, it's not like you have to pull any muscles to assume that the massive chip on Walt's shoulder and his unimaginably huge ego caused a rift in either his place in Gray Matter or his relationship with Gretchen or both, but the fact that it's never made explicit is so intriguing to me. You can imagine a dozen different scenarios of how it went down, all consistent with what you know of Walt.
RandomMandarin ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 03:29:36 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeahhh but there is nothing in the flashbacks to show us that he started with either a chip or a huge ego. He spent nearly twenty years being St. Walter, Martyr of Lowered Expectations, and it took a tumor to unleash his inner Machiavelli.
Without some kind of earthquake in his personal life, why does Whiz Kid Walt turn into the Martyr?
To put it in terms he would use, we know the reaction that formed Machiavelli from St. Walter, but we don't know what reaction formed St. Walter, nor really what came before. If he were always the Martyr, would he have ever gotten that close to the brass ring the first time? I don't see that. If he always had the ego and chip on his shoulder, would he have made that much progress with his former partners? Again, I doubt it. All explanations are consistent with what we know of Walt because we don't really know Walt.
LePotatoEspeciale ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:55:06 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Where can I read people's theories?
zappapostrophe ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:44:02 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I always assumed he felt that the research that Gretchen and Elliot benefitted off was more his work than theirs, and that he wasn't being properly credited for it, so he left Gray Matter.
[deleted] ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 20:35:52 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This is her only and worst crime: she bought her handicapped son a PT Cruiser. Nightmare fuel.
SirisAusar ยท 334 points ยท Posted at 19:10:19 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Naggy, narcissistic, two faced, greedy, power-mad (once she felt she could share in Walt's empire), made DUMB decisions and backed it up with "but you ruined this family".
Now, mind, Walt's no prince. But even at his worst, I liked him more than Skyler. She was just awful.
EDIT: THEY'RE BOTH SHITTY PEOPLE. But to myself, Skyler is written to be a much more dislikable character. Which is NOT to say that as people, she is any worse than he.
joemeister1 ยท 136 points ยท Posted at 20:28:17 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That was the point. Walt stayed "likable" because he never truly believes his actions are wrong. He always seemed fairly happy and pleasant because he believed through the majority of the show that he was doing the right thing, or at least doing it for the right reasons. You can see it when he's constructing the pipe bomb or setting up the M60: he's whistling while he works, knowing multiple people were going to die because of his actions. It doesn't concern him, just like the idea of poisoning Brock doesn't concern him. He's doing what needs to be done.
Skylar is suddenly forced into a very high-stress scenario, which makes me understand her laundry list of poor decisions. She joined Walt in his ventures, but she also had no real income of her own and Walt was pretty much forcing the issue at that point; she was afraid of what might happen if she legitimately tried to cut Walt out of her life. And her first priority was always the safety of the family, whereas Walt always put his pride first. So she's essentially trapped in a life where her only means of income is a ticking time bomb because of Walt's arrogance and pride. She makes many poor decisions that also get tangled up in her conscience, this is true. But I feel like expecting Skylar to be rational and pleasant in her position is like expecting a cornered animal to let you pet it. Walt took all control out of her life by around season 3, and before that his actions and lies made her feel like she was hardly in control anyway. That can make a person crazy and affect their decision making. But Walt had many choices, and he consistently chose a path that made him feel in control and important rather than making a humbling decision that would help his family. And he does so with such little hesitation, with such calm deliberation; imo, Skyler's mistakes and personality flaws are there because she has a conscience, and Walt's successes and comparably more pleasant demeanor come from the fact that he lacks one.
Erpp8 ยท 23 points ยท Posted at 22:18:53 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think she's a perfect example of the extremely gradual moral shift of the show. You think she's a bitch the whole time, until it ends and you realize the bad guys were often actually the good guys.
ArtSchnurple ยท 26 points ยท Posted at 22:29:35 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yep. Nagging Skyler, bullying Hank, spoiled Flynn, and even abrasive Marie all show themselves to be pretty righteous people by the end, especially when compared to Walt's ruthless narcissism. I think early on we were seeing them through Walt's ever resentful eyes, and by the end we could see them as they really were.
Erpp8 ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 22:33:55 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ozzymandias is the episode where I just said "What the fuck Walt?" But then I realized that he wasn't really too different; the perspective just shifted a little. Then you realize how horrible Walt really was.
ArtSchnurple ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:04:05 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Yeah! I think it's because Ozymandias is when you really see the effects of everything Walt has done, and they all come crashing down together like dominoes. And his reactions to everything crashing down (taking Holly, giving up Jesse to the Nazis, etc.) only serve to further drive home what kind of person he really is.
not_AtWorkRightNow ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:26:14 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I feel like the one constant throughout all those people is that they are just sort of normal boring people (aside from hank's job being pretty badass), acting kind of like how regular people would act in that situation if they didn't know about all the crazy shit that was going on.
ArtSchnurple ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:46:34 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah! Walt's spinout is the one anomaly, and everyone else just acts like anyone would act in that situation, including sometimes not knowing how to act in such a crazy situation.
not_AtWorkRightNow ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:01:35 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I thought it was totally brilliant. I especially loved how the show gets you so caught up in the plot, and the super interesting characters, that you don't even stop to think about how much sense those characters make as people.
joemeister1 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 23:35:23 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Precisely. Annoying, overbearing, overprotective, and nosy are not ideal traits, but they do not make a person evil or bad.
UncreativeTeam ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 00:14:42 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I binge watched all 5 seasons and whether it was on purpose or not, she shifts from being annoying to sympathetic just as a result of how much worse Walt gets. It's a really interesting dynamic.
vadergeek ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:43:37 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Personally, I thought she became tolerable around the time Walt let her in on the secret.
TrevorBradley ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 23:19:33 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
In brief, there's no way we as an audience would consider Walt an awesome protagonist if he didn't have the other "hated" characters around him.
joemeister1 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:41:46 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's an incredibly honest show. People are people, and that means they come with good traits and bad traits. Vince Gilligan does a great job of setting up the situation, fleshing out the characters, but then presenting the scene in such an objective way that the audience alone judges the morality of the situation.
swohio ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:34:43 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I have always been confused on how people hated Skyler and loved Walt. Walt was a TOTAL piece of shit beyond the first season to everyone around him, especially his wife. The shit that she put up with makes her a saint in my eyes. Walt, however, continually had outs all along the way. "I just need to make this much" makes that much, has an easy exit but goes in deeper while risking the safety of his supposed loved ones. Repeat several times and that's the whole series. Fuck Walt. I cheered when he died.
joemeister1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:32:33 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Awwwwww, ur a meanie :(((. I thought it was kind of sad, especially after he visited Skyler for the last time. "I did it for me." That admission was one of the most powerful parts of the series imo. Though I can understand your sentiment. At the end of season 4 when they showed the Lily of the Valley I just sat, staring at the screen, saying "That's fucked up, that's SO fucked up" over and over. With increasing volume.
Poopster46 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:17:58 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Around the time of the pizza throwing Walt is pretty fucking miserable.
joemeister1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:33:54 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yes but that was also the only time that Skyler was really trying to stand up to him, and he felt like he had lost his family and his control. Once he realized that she was bluffing everything was essentially back to business. In addition his cancer had gone into remission; he couldn't rationalize anymore that he was making meth to ensure his family's continued prosperity in the event of his death.
ArtSchnurple ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 23:18:00 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He kind of got more happy-go-lucky as the series went on and his increasing success at what he did fed his monstrous ego.
Mollywobbles225 ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 03:49:04 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Okay, so do you want to explain why she talks to Walt like he's a child in the very first episode ("Oh, Walt, that's the card we don't use.")? Or why she later on smokes heavily while pregnant with their daughter?
No, sorry, anything anyone can say about Skylar will always be overshadowed by this. Explain away all of her behavior in later seasons, I thought she was a cunt from right out of the gate and she never got any better.
joemeister1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:28:33 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well, Skyler treats EVERYONE like a child. She is the quintessential mother figure of the show. She chastises Marie and Beneke when they make stupid decisions, is always concerned about her husband's whereabouts, but it means she also does things like make breakfast every morning. And more importantly, she learns to play her part well in Walt's big game once it means the relative safety and blissful ignorance of her children. Again, not sure how naggy and worrisome are traits that make you a "cunt", they're just annoying. Thought we covered this already.
As far as her smoking, she's living with a murderer, a drug dealer, a man that had taken all control from her, a man she now hates. And she's carrying his child. Meanwhile, he claims that all his heinous, vaguely murder-y actions are all for the future of his family. Skyler wanted that family with Walt when the baby was conceived, but not under these circumstances; at that point she wants nothing to do with him, going so far as to start divorce proceedings and kick Walt out of the house. Having that child was basically signing her life away to Walt for the next 18 years, because remember, Walt had all the control and would never leave her alone after the baby was born. He actually KIDNAPS HIS OWN CHILD AT ONE POINT after she gives birth; I mean, he's a drug kingpin for Christ's sake, they're loose cannons practically by definition. Giving birth was a prison sentence to her.
With that in mind, I could easily see Skyler choosing a cigarette over her child, even if I find it repulsive myself. In the worst case, she takes a bit of the edge off from Walt and Beneke and pregnancy in general; best case scenario, the baby doesn't make it, freeing Skyler from Walt sooner and saving the baby from a terrible life. Remember, she can't really abort, as too many questions would be asked and her homicidal husband might respond poorly. More importantly, I'm not sure Skyler would have even been able to bring herself to abort if that weren't the case; she couldn't live with the guilt. But a cigarette isn't nearly as definite as an abortion when it comes damaging the health of the unborn child, which means Skyler might not blame herself as much if the pregnancy went wrong. In addition, if she was able to keep it a secret, everyone would just assume it was stillborn. But I don't think she plotted all of these factors like I did; I think she just chose, with a couple of these ideas very loosely formed in mind, getting a quick buzz over the health of her daughter, and alcohol wasn't a discreet enough solution.
Either way, I too disagree with her decision. But her decision to smoke cigarettes while pregnant is more her realization that she didn't really want to have the baby anymore. Her situation had changed drastically since conception, and she was under an incredible amount of stress; I have NO idea how I would act in her situation, and I don't believe you do either. But either way, your argument really boils down to pro-life versus pro-choice. Remember, smoking during pregnancy isn't recommended, but the assumption made there is that you don't WANT to harm the fetus. This is something Skyler clearly didn't care about anymore; her decision was not uninformed. So you can argue that she's a cunt all you like, but your argument is not NEARLY as cut and dry as you are making it out to be. But that is what makes the show interesting; morality is constantly balancing on the edge of a knife, causing characters to make wildly polarizing decisions that the audience can talk about for years to come. You can believe Skyler is a bad person, a cunt, whatever qualifier you like, but the entire point of a show like Breaking Bad is that things are NEVER that simple. And it's for that exact reason that the show is so damn good.
skillmau5 ยท 26 points ยท Posted at 21:05:14 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I thought that the first time I watched the show, but when I watched it on Netflix I realized she was actually a very sensible character, and that most of the time she's either trying to do the right thing for the family, or she's just being crazy because she's essentially a hostage.
[deleted] ยท 52 points ยท Posted at 19:56:42 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You could use all those same words for Walt except replace naggy with manipulative. Walt backed his bad decisions by saying he was providing for the family, but we find out in his last conversation with Skyler that he actually did it because he liked the way it made him feel. I can't see how people think Skyler was a worse person than Walt was.
Arthrawn ยท 35 points ยท Posted at 20:14:23 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
People aren't saying she it a a worse person. Shes just an annoying character.
JeedyFromTheBlock ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 00:10:00 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I didn't even find her that annoying tbh. Her sister Marie was 1000 times worse with her neverending mouth.
Arthrawn ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:44:28 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Shrug. I thought she was a bitch at times. At others I found I could really sympathize with her. She was a human being which was good writing. But yeah...Marie...God Idk what Hank took to stand her constant nagging.
Wellbritton ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 20:39:35 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Considering all the shit Walt did to keep Jesse in his pocket I think manipulative still applies.
modernbenoni ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:45:26 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
She annoyed me, but that doesn't mean that she was a bad person.
Walt was an awful person, but he also got shit done. Skyler was just constantly dumbfounded and half the time it was like she forgot that she was married to a drug kingpin, and she was just shocked at everything that Walt did.
Bat_Mannington ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:30:09 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No one thinks she's a worse person than Walt. That doesn't make her likable.
SirisAusar ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 22:00:53 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't think she or he is worse. Skyler was a bitch and I explain in another post some reasons for that. Walt was an asshole. But he was a FUN asshole. And asshole you kinda liked in some weird way even though he got insanely corrupted. They both suck as humans, but I just personally think she sucks more.
ingridelena ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 01:13:56 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He's male so its ok.
LukeBabbitt ยท 40 points ยท Posted at 19:36:11 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I watched every episode of the series and can't think of a lot of instances of her being greedy or two faced or narcissistic. Care to expand? Sure she cheated on Walt under the pressure of everything he was putting them through...but the rest?
Walt is the antihero so it's fun to watch his arc, but Skyler's crimes don't seem to amount to anything more than "she was annoying and didn't let Walt have any fun" most times.
diamond ยท 53 points ยท Posted at 20:28:35 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't even think you could say she cheated on him. She didn't sleep with Ted until after she had kicked Walter out and told him she was done with him.
ArtSchnurple ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 22:37:51 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, it was a gambit to make him give up and go the fuck away. It just didn't work, because she didn't yet realize she was dealing with a mastermind control freak.
zappapostrophe ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:41:02 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I thought she only slept with Ted to try and drive Walt away?
Arthrawn ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 20:15:51 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
She hated Walt's activities yet suddenly thought maybe the money wasn't so bad. I guess that could be greedy in a way.
[deleted] ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 23:05:40 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
She couldn't get rid of him, so decided to help. Otherwise he was going to be caught trying to launder the cash.
BBQ_HaX0r ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:56:58 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
One instance that really bothers me is she throws Walt under the bus to his family about his cancer. She storms off after crying and disrupting a nice dinner and when asked whats wrong she replies with "why don't you ask Walt!"
Blipblipbloop ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 08:44:01 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
She found out her husband was dying and that he kept it a secret from her. You don't think you'd be a little crazy too? That was her being upset and afraid at the thought of losing him. Se wasn't "throwing him under the bus" for fucks sake.
Nacksche ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:31:36 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Yep. Skylar is a great character and pretty much how a spouse might react to Walt's shit. I don't get the hate.
SirisAusar ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 21:59:34 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You're putting me through the ringer, friend, I haven't seen the series since it ended but I'll try.
I guess first thing's first. It is NEVER anyone's fault but your own if you schtupp outside your own relationship. That, at least to myself, puts you on the intense shit-list. No one drives a person to cheat. It's that person being a massive cunt.
Greedy - Well after learning of her husband's hijinks, she was first horrified, then she saw all the green he made. Any sensible person who was truly normal would have informed the DEA brother-in-law. But she then used his money to buy a front to launder yet more money. Because boy did she love that money. And in that way, she as well as Walt used the "I'm doing this for my family" excuse.
Narcissistic - I may be using the word wrong and I might change it to something more fitting to what I see her as, but it's pretty evidenced in any meeting she had with Jesse. She definitely held herself above him for, to be honest, understandable reasons. But she didn't know him and was immediately rude and very "look-at-me-and-my-fine-car-you-dirty-street-urchin" in her approach.
Two faced - I felt like this was easiest to see really. In most if not all of her later-on meetings with her sister, it was very much her being all sorts of helpful and kind, then as soon as the door shuts "What an annoying, klepto, uninformed sister I have, woe is me". She thinks Hank is a bit of a dullard but always has a false smile, up until their shenanigans with the "confession" video. And that, she didn't get coerced into doing. She wasn't scared of Walt. Or for her family. She wanted money and power and she was sitting with the man that she could latch onto to get it. If that meant selling her own extended family down the river? Pfeh. He's a dipshit anyway.
You're right about Walt, he's kinda absolutely an antihero. And yes he's more "fun" than Skylar because, well, meth. Something I realize while typing this, that's a big reason why she leaves a bad taste in my mouth. All of the bad things and annoying things she does to make me hate her all get compounded in my head when it's put under the lens of "she was just a stale, whiny character who didn't DO anything but whine." Whereas Walt was a jackass, but, well....... meth.
eskimo_bros ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 22:13:20 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Literally all of your criticisms exist because Walt was an emotionally abusive asshole towards Skylar. By the time she does the really bad stuff, she is explicitly terrified of Walt. He has tried to rape her, and she knows that he has killed people.
If she loved the money so much, why was she the one that talked Walt into getting out of the meth business?
SirisAusar ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 22:20:00 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'll say.... maybe the fifth time? I don't care about Walt right now. He's not who I'm talking about. Yes, some (I'll give you "some" but no more) of her mistakes come from the fact that he's a manipulative horrible person. But not EVERYTHING EVER IN THE WORLD that she does comes back to him. Walt isn't Tuco. Walt isn't Gustavo. When he's around and bossing her into a corner, yes, it's his fault. But when she's alone with Marie or Hank? Before things got too far, she could have said things. But she doesn't. I refuse to believe that's for any reason but greed. Walt has no hold over her views of her sister or Hank so yes, she's still two faced.
And I will say it AGAIN. WALT IS A TERRIBLE HUMAN BEING. SKYLER IS A TERRIBLE HUMAN. Me hating a character has ABSOLUTELY NO BEARING on HOW terrible that character is, so yes. Walt is a worse person than she is. It's purely me hating them through the lens of the show, so I'm as justified as I can be with saying:
I hate Skyler. She was a cunt. And an awful human.
eskimo_bros ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:42:00 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't think you get how emotionally abusive relationships work.
SirisAusar ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:29:13 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't think you know enough about me to make that assumption. Dude it's my opinion about a show. Don't take it so damn seriously.
eskimo_bros ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 04:38:55 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The topic is abuse. I take it rather seriously. It's an important issue.
You have seen a textbook abusive relationship, and your major takeaway was that the victim was a cunt. That's the wrong lesson to learn. It's borderline dangerous, because what if it was someone you actually knew?
SirisAusar ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 04:52:20 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This is going away from the topic of conversation. I'm not going to debate with you about types of relationships. Stop trying.
eskimo_bros ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:58:39 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This is exactly on topic. You just don't want to talk about it any more, but can't bring yourself to let me have the last word.
ArtSchnurple ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:21:26 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't think I've ever seen someone criticize Skyler White without using a woman-specific derogative word like bitch, whore, cunt, etc. It's always a guy saying it, too (and usually on reddit). Do with that information what you will.
eskimo_bros ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:56:48 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, I've noticed this as well. They also get really defensive when they get called out on it.
SirisAusar ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 04:22:36 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe we wouldn't say it so much if she wasn't such a cunt.
Do with that information what you will, Butthurt Jill
sharkweekk ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 22:25:42 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
She wasn't cheating. Maybe you should watched the show again. At this point she kicked him out of the house, (for very good reason, it turns out two hitmen types were after him) and made it clear she wanted him out of her life. He then sneaks back in the house and is emotionally manipulating her. By Skylar's perspective they have no relationship other than abuser and abused. She has no moral obligation to stay faithful to someone that she's made clear she wants nothing to do with.
mikey_says ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 22:40:09 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
She never cheated on Walt. Their relationship was dead long before anything happened with Ted, and Skylar told Walt as much. This is literally the most retarded reason that people have ever disliked a fictional character.
[deleted] ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 20:07:11 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Skyler is a character you're supposed to hate throughout the entire series, but I think a lot of people sympathized with her at the end
[deleted] ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 22:44:17 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
People use Walt as an excuse for her but people need to watch season one again, She treated him poorly and wanted to control his whole life even when he had cancer and to her knowledge was only doing weed because it helped with the nauseousness caused by chemo. I find her much better in later seasons but it felt like she was meant to be horrible to Walt in season one so we felt sympathetic towards him.
saintash ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 02:34:42 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Season 1, she is he most unlikable, but i think that partly due to the situation she is in even before she knows Walt has cancer she is just as stressed out as Walt and its partly her way of coping, In her 40' pregnant with a Kid they cant afford, while the house is falling apart and a Teenage son who is rocking an attitude, and she has a sister who is a half the time more a pain in ass then help. Add to that she probably thought she would be a writer after she quit her last job and its not happening for her, so she has to sell crap on ebay to help around the house. Then add to that Husband suddenly going distant, then you find out he is sick. her actions are annoying but she is trying to cope.
beccaonice ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 00:23:16 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Pretty sure the whole Walt weed debacle was before he even started chemo, so that's BS.
Wazula42 ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 21:53:22 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Wait what? Walt's got every single trait you just mentioned, except cranked to fifty billion. "MY product! MY legacy! MY meth!" Walt's a fucking sicko.
Don't get me wrong, Skyler's a terribly written character. But she's far less duplicitous and egocentric than Walt.
SirisAusar ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 22:04:36 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I've said in my responses to others that my opinion of Walt has no bearing on my opinions of Skyler. They're both awful people. But my opinion is that Skyler is more hate-able as a character. Not necessarily a "worse" person.
Wazula42 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 00:20:11 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That I would have to agree with. Vince Gilligan just doesn't know how to write women. She's really poorly written. But Walt's far more evil.
Super_Satchel ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:57:35 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Agreed. I almost stopped watching after season 2 because I hated her so much.
venusblue38 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 04:26:55 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I hate the defense of skyler that people use "she's the voice of reason", or assume that because I hate her I thought that the other characters were good people. They're all terrible but you can see their motivations. Her motivations were shit and she couldn't stand by her husband while he was dying. She's such an asshole.
SirisAusar ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:28:38 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I lose hope when so many people start to argue that I'm a misogynist asshole who doesn't understand abusive relationships.
But then there are people like you and I love you.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:22:27 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The sister was way more annoying.
SirisAusar ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:01:09 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
God damn purple-wearing klepto BIATCH.
The_Mighty_Rex ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:04:11 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yea they were shit people for different reasons but Walt was more likeable as a shit person she was just a cunt
deltopia ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:11:45 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Sounds like Lady Macbeth. Do you think that's on purpose? (I never watched whatever you're talking about.)
Epsilius ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:42:50 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I couldn't stand Walt Jr. for some reason
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:42:31 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Also hypocritical and holier-than-thou. She acted like someone with strong morals and then turned around when no one was looking and did something backhanded whilst still pretending to be a victim
Zarokima ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 00:32:48 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Don't forget unrepentant cheater.
Skyler had no redeeming qualities at all, which I find appropriate since her name is Skyler (a derivation of Tyler, the worst name in existence).
Really every important character in that show was a bad guy except Walt Jr and maybe Gomez if you want to include him in the main cast rather than as a side character.
pixburgher66 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:44:33 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm pretty sure I've never struggled more with my feelings over a character. I loathed her often, but kept thinking "if that was me...well, yeah I'd be a bitch." Then she smoked while pregnant/around the baby and I felt small justice in loathing her. The Walt hate evolved slowly, with her it was kinda there from the start? Just didn't like her, even if her actions were often justified.
dmkicksballs13 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 20:15:40 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Naggy? She willfully took part in money-laundering, extorsion, infidelity, and attempted to have Jesse killed.
vadergeek ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:42:54 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
She was cold, unpleasant, and yes, naggy. It's not like this was a result of Walt's actions, she was like this before the diagnosis. Sure, Walt has his problems, but it's much more fun to see someone pull off a train heist than smoke while pregnant.
tingwong ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:10:18 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
She had an affair with her boss and then accidentally told him she had a bunch of money so he blackmailed her.
Darrian ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:03:17 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
She isn't worse than Walt. She's terrible sure, but not worse than Walt. And that's exactly why its reasonable that she's hated more. People know someone like Skyler. It's personal, while seeing Walt make drugs and kill people is just fantasy. Same reason why people hate umbridge and not voldemort.
stufff ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:37:30 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Her husband worked 2 jobs while she sat at home and sold shit on eBay.
Her husband has terminal cancer and she makes it all about her.
Her husband has terminal cancer and is doing chemotherapy and she freaks the fuck out over him smoking some weed.
It's his birthday and she gives him a bored half-assed handjob while she looks at her computer.
The hatred for Skylar has nothing to do with her "ruining Walt's fun" and everything to do with her being a terrible fucking person from episode 1.
EatMaCookies ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:33:12 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I loved hearing he was a drug kingpin, then watching the series and he never was really a kingpin, but a cook for higher ups. Series was great but he never really controlled vast resources at his disposal.
sillymod ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:36:13 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I would argue that it was her behaviour that pushed Walt over the edge.
In her dynamic with Walt, she kept being unsatisfied with what she had. This pushed Walt into believing that he was an insufficient provider.
Furthermore, I always felt like the show was trying to say that Walt had a thing for the rich lady from Grey Matter (can't remember the character's name) but that she fell for the more assertive, big eared guy. So Walt ended up having a brief relationship with Skyler that got her pregnant. He suddenly had to provide for a pregnant Skyler, so he quit Grey Matter before it got big, but after helping them with their key patent product.
They never showed scenes directly indicating this, but I think they filmed the scenes and never put them in. There are some scenes that are suggestive of his feelings for the Grey Matter lady, but I suspect that they felt this explanation would indicate blame on women, and so they took it out for PC reasons.
GATTACABear ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:11:42 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Then there's the adultery....
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:44:01 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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JoanieLovesAdachi ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:20:23 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe Breaking Bad was not the right show for you.
Indoorsman ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:23:59 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
She gave off the vibe that she shat on and put down Walter all the time, and she does in a joking manner a few times, and that is highlighted even more so the way Hank jokes with Walter that he is a pussy dork. Everyone thinks he is a pussy dork. She is naggy but the real problem is she doesn't support Walter in a way that makes him feel like a successful man. In conjunction with his shitty life of mediocrity, his unused talents, and the death sentence he gets handed he goes on his journey to make money, and finds his true calling, letting everyone know what he really is, that he is a man, he is something to be respected and feared.
It's not her fault he became a monster, but the way she treated him was just one of many variables that drive him to be what he was.
I liked the path Walter took. At first he did what he needed to support his family, in a dangerous stupid way. He hurt and killed other criminals and drug dealers. The absolute filth of society. When he let that bitch chock and die on her own vomit she got what her druggy ass deserved. When he ran over and shot those two fuckers they absolutely deserved it. It wasn't until he started hurting innocents that I no longer supported him, but was intrigued by the monster he came. Been a long time since I watched it, but wasn't it the poisoning of the kid with the flower the first innocent?
Blipblipbloop ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 09:03:27 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Gale? I mean, yeah Gale was a meth cook too but he certainly didn't deserve to be shot in the face.
Indoorsman ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:33:04 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He was a cog in a machine that killed people, many innocent, ruins neighborhoods and communities, and totally destroys people that don't have support groups the rest of us do.
Gale was never innocent, no matter how much he wanted to ostrich his head and pretend he was making drugs for willing consenting adults. He deserved to die just as much as Gus, or the filthy pusher on a street corner. They're all filth.
persephonethedamned ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 22:07:42 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think her worst crime was ripping away Walt's children before she even knew what was happening. She completely decided the house was hers, when obviously Walter paid the largest sum for it, and he has zero sympathy for anybody around her even though she has it pretty easy. Like, think about it. Her husband loves her to fucking death the ENTIRE show, and now they're millionaires. Meanwhile Walt deals with weekly death threats, Hank has obvious bouts of PTSD, and her sister Marie has some kind of OCD (dat purple) and kleptomania that needs some serious help and sympathy... Especially considering Skyler just drops her kids off at Hank and Marie's for a couple of months with no explanation and they just take that shit so she can go cheat on her loving, adoring husband.
awesomemofo75 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 22:03:41 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Marie was waaaay worse. Hank.is laying up in bed with a gunshot wound, and this bitch is stealing shit from house showings
ArtSchnurple ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 23:23:55 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well in the meantime, Hank is treating her like absolute shit when she's doing everything she can to support him and take care of him. Kleptomania is a mental disorder. What the fuck is Hank's excuse?
awesomemofo75 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:36:42 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He's an egomaniac
Dashing_Snow ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:15:30 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Frankly I think dealing with his mineral obsession helped to undo all the progress she made. It really is a fascinating circle of fucked up that leads out from Walt.
awesomemofo75 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:19:13 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, a lot of messed up shit lead back to Walt
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 02:35:11 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
abusive?
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 02:40:42 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That she thought giving her husband, who at the time was not an abusive, violent, remorseless drug lord, but a man who was beaten down by life and poor decisions, fake bacon for his birthday was a treat. That's the worst thing she did that was not directly effected by Walt's drug making.
atero ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 05:46:11 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
She was a naggy bitch before the meth and crime.
5171 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 06:55:04 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
She drove Walt to his life of crime.
DirtyArtKid ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 21:01:15 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, well, her lips look like worms. And when I have to watch her worm-lips spew out her nagging and whining it makes me crazy. I have seen her in other things and she was far less annoying. Her portrayal of Skylar is just irritating.
anti_vaxxer ยท -8 points ยท Posted at 20:29:02 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That bitch. He did it all for HER, for THEM! And she thanks him by shitting all over him. Fuck her.
doegred ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 20:33:00 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's a lie and even Walter admitted it.
AKASquared ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:13:25 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Your joke, it went whoooosh, right over their heads.
googolplexy ยท 103 points ยท Posted at 19:00:39 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I genuinely liked Skylar. She stops the show from being immature manchild power fantasy and is the only voice of reason. She's also one of the most conflicted characters in the show, which was great to watch.
IHateCircusMidgets ยท 63 points ยท Posted at 20:11:36 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I completely agree with you. She also sacrifices her own relationship with Walt Jr. to protect his love for his dying father.
ArtSchnurple ยท 26 points ยท Posted at 22:49:55 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Yes! Excellent point. So many times she could have told Flynn what was up with his father, and instead she just took the hit and let him be mad at her and think she's being unfair. Skyler's a standup guy. For all Walt's talk about doing everything he does for his family, she was the one actually doing it.
edit: heh, some fedora-tipper is going through this whole thread and downvoting everything I've said because I dared to defend Skyler White.
Bokonomy ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 00:50:21 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, her being scummy with Walt was mostly for her kids' benefit. Also, she was pregnant for much of it, she's allowed to be bitchy here and there. Screw Mr. Fedora for getting mad at your opinion.
dv_ ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 00:30:36 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Which is probably the precise reason why the character was included. At such a high quality level as Breaking Bad's, details are everything.
JohnSequitur ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 19:05:03 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Instead of Marie? Yeah right.
ReservoirGods ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 20:15:22 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You mean The Color Purple? Sometimes that show would play up the color characterization to annoying levels, but I'll be damned if I didn't still love it.
the_con ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 23:19:25 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Your colour is purple. We fucking get it.
praisethefallen ยท 270 points ยท Posted at 18:54:29 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
But, why? I always thought it was weird how much hate she got.
GoldandBlue ยท 450 points ยท Posted at 19:16:54 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Because sheruined Walt's fun. Honestly, she gets hatebecause people confuse protagonist for hero. Walt is not a hero and Skyler recognizes that far sooner than many of the viewers did. So she was hated for trying to get in the way.
Wazula42 ยท 33 points ยท Posted at 21:54:35 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You mean the man who made millions for Mexican drug cartels, endangered his family, and caused the deaths of dozens of innocent people wasn't the good guy?
GoldandBlue ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 23:20:34 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Crazy right?
DrSmoke ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 01:00:25 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
speak for yourself.
[deleted] ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 20:51:12 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So why didn't people hate Hank or Jesse? They also tried to mess with Walt's fun, on numerous occasions.
People hated Skyler because she did nothing but whine and nag, for 5 straight seasons.
eskimo_bros ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 22:16:07 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
People did hate Hank for the first two seasons. He didn't become mostly liked until later. And Jesse was the secondary protagonist. He got a pass because it was also his story. Skylar was a secondary character in Walt's story.
ArtSchnurple ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 22:42:55 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hmm, I wonder if there's anything else that sets Sky apart from Hank and Jesse. What could it be...
DesktopStruggle ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 00:13:08 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
I don't doubt that the fact that she's a woman was a factor for some fans, but I think for most it was the fact that Hank and Jessie were also amusing and likable despite their faults. She was just a bringdown most of the time. Sure, in real life she probably would be, considering what Walt was doing to her life, but that doesn't make her enjoyable to watch like the other two were.
Personally, I had no problem with her until Hank offered to help her get away from Walt and she refused to cooperate with him. I lost all sympathy for her at that point. It was like she was on no one's side.
I was as shocked as Hank was by that after all that had happened. It only made sense that she would take that way out and join with that part of her family. Maybe the problem was that she was a poorly written character.
Edit: added last paragraph
Bat_Mannington ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 00:10:00 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Oh fuck off with that. People hate her because she is a shit character, not because they're sexist. The writers used her as an easy source of conflict in Walt's life. She was a pain in the ass long before she knew what was going on.
That's the one big thing I think they failed at with Breaking bad. They did a good job of turning the protagonist into the villain, but they didn't keep their characters likable. By the last season the only people I can think of that I liked enough want them to live were Mike, Jessie, and Saul.
Edit: It's asinine to write off criticism as sexist just because you happen to disagree. I guess it's just easier to label everyone you disagree with a bigot and move on than it is to consider multiple points of view.
DrSmoke ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:59:46 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Only_One_Left_Foot ยท -7 points ยท Posted at 00:21:26 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Oh, oh, I know this one!
Because she was an annoying nag who made stupid decisions once she knew she could get a cut of the money and then turned around and tried to make everyone else look like the bad guy whenever she got close to getting caught. Sure, you could say a lot of other characters did the same thing, but at least they had some sort of redeeming characteristic or something of value to add to the plot other than just getting on everyone's nerves all the time.
What's my prize?
DrSmoke ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:59:35 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well, the real answer is "your supposed to feel that way" they wrote the show that way.
ManiacalShen ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 02:00:58 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This is why I quit in season three somewhere. By that point I didn't sympathize with anyone but Skylar and didn't want anyone but her to succeed at anything.
[deleted] ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 20:42:35 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If that were the reason, everybody would hate Hank too.
[deleted] ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 22:09:42 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hank was hated quite a bit when the show was first showing, so.
Cr0n0x ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:33:36 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Because people thought he was cheap comedy relief. Then BAM shit hits the fan.
FeatherKiddo ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:06:03 on January 4, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
But Skylar really is cheap drama, so she gets the hate.
Cr0n0x ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:45:12 on January 4, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What?
FeatherKiddo ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:17:55 on January 4, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Skylar is mostly there to foil Walter in some way. Also, episode 1 she gives Walter a half-assed hand-job for his birthday that makes your skin crawl. She's just written that way.
Cr0n0x ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:27:43 on January 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I was talking about Hank though
Kenny__Loggins ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 21:08:21 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He didn't even know about Walt for most of the show. He didn't start ruining his fun until wayyy later.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:10:37 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He still worked against Heisenberg, which is to the same end.
Kenny__Loggins ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:54:13 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Which was his job, so he got a pass.
brangaene ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:36:40 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
But not against Walter.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 21:56:17 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hank created a second, parallel plotline because he and Walt didn't face off directly until late in the series. Skyler, on the other hand, didn't create new plot threads, she just slowed the progress of an existing one.
magnakai ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:18:32 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hank was nobody's favourite in season 1. The empathy only comes with his PTSD, when we see the vulnerability behind the bald head.
Bokonomy ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:22:53 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Nah, I hated Hank but liked Skyler. So I dunno. Maybe because he chose to marry Marie?
DrSmoke ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:00:07 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
the real answer is "your supposed to feel that way" they wrote the show that way.
NetherMop ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:52:15 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hank didn't catch on till the end of season 5a. Skyler lived with Walt and developed her mistrust much earlier.
bend1310 ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 21:12:16 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I disliked Skylar before she knew exactly what was going on. It seemed pretty clear from the first episode that their marriage wasnt on great terms, and she wasnt particularly likeable as a character even then.
GoldandBlue ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 23:21:00 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I feel that is more people projecting than what is actually in the show
REVfoREVer ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:07:43 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
She gets hate from me because she found out about her husband's drug empire and participated in it, while still trying to claim the moral high ground. She always trie to justify her shitty, illegal actions by her husband being a criminal. But guess what? She is also a criminal.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:33:53 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Spoilers below:
She was also part of the reason why Walt started cooking in the first place. My understanding of it wasn't just that Walt had cancer and wanted to provide for his family, but that his life was thoroughly unimpressive and dreary. He had an opportunity to have it all, money, a hot, sophisticated girlfriend, but she ran off with his partner and he pulled out of the company before they hit it big. Now he is a fucking high school teacher that works a second job a car wash, has a loving but plain and boring wife (CPA turned housewife) and a kid who, lets be honest here, isn't the star quarterback and probably isn't getting into Yale. At the end of the show he tells her that he did it for himself. That's because his life sucked. It's why he resigned himself to dying when he got his diagnosis and why he resisted treatment for so long. He just wanted to rebuild his shattered legacy and go out with a bang, and she got in the way of that at every turn. Walt's not a good guy by any means. But damn she was an annoying character.
GoldandBlue ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:59:41 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That is a pretty skewed outlook. If that's the case than you should hate his kids as well. wright? Also, if Walt was only doing it for his family, why didn't he stop when he had more than enough money set aside for them? A lot of what you are saying is just projecting. He resigned himself because he chose to be the victim. He wanted to be great at something and was too proud to put his personal feelings aside and remain with gray matter. That isn't Skyler that is his ego. Your response sound like something he would say in defense of his actions while we roll our eyes.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:07:35 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not defending Walt and I never said that Walt was doing it for his family. That was the excuse he told himself early on, but he admits at the end it was for him all along. I'm just trying to explain his motivations. I actually don't disagree with anything you said. Walt is the bad guy, but also the protagonist and a sympathetic character. Also I'm not a fan of his kids either. His son was basically a bratty teenager for most of the show (changing his name to Flynn early on from Walt Jr. probably only helped Walt realize he wasn't leaving behind much of a legacy). His daughter was just a prop because she was too young to have any sort of character.
GoldandBlue ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:13:05 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That is what I am saying. He ca tell himself whatever he wants, but as a viewer you should recognize that its BS. Its a great show with great writing great acting its going to make you feel. Even Gus had sympathetic moments so it stand to reason that we would feel for Walt being the main character. But Skyler was a victim of Walt's actions for the first half of the show and people hated her for that because they viewed her as "the ball and chain".
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:28:28 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I can recognize that Skylar is a victim of Walt's actions while still hating her.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:36:48 on January 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
and the condescending nagging. and the stupidity. and the overall, consistent, bitchyness.
HugoTheRobot ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:57:52 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Didn't she have sex with Ted while still married to Walt?
GoldandBlue ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 00:02:07 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah but that was after Walt was clearly off the deep end, and they were separated. Im not saying Skyler is the hero, but she gets hate for not wanting to put up with Walt's shit
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:39:52 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Eh, I didn't like her because she acted in terrible ways towards her husband who - as far as she knew - was just having a hard time dealing with his cancer. Ignoring what WE the audience knew, she started acting shitty to him pretty much from the get go, even going so far as to cheat on him unrepentantly.
Blipblipbloop ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 09:15:59 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Did you even watch the show? She didn't cheat on him. It wasn't until after she found out he was a drug dealer, kicked him out because she felt unsafe (and who can blame her? who wants a drug dealer around their teenage son and baby?), and he breaks back into the house that she sleeps with Ted. She doesn't do it for fun, she does it for revenge because she hopes it will make him leave her and the family alone.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:53:10 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Did YOU watch the show? She sleeps with Ted BEFORE finding out the truth about Walk and kicking him out. She slept with someone else while married to Walt, so yes, it was very much cheating; her "justification" doesn't matter.
Blipblipbloop ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:46:08 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No, look up the freaking episodes. She finds out about his lies at the end of season 2 (though she doesn't know about his involvement in meth production - just that he's involved with drugs somehow) and kicks him out in ABQ. "I Fucked Ted" is 3 episodes later in season 3. The relationship was already over at that point, at least in her mind.
FeatherKiddo ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:09:01 on January 4, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
She fucks Ted to get Walter to sign the divorce papers, right? Of course she's hated for it. It's an extremely low blow.
Your_Window_Peeper ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:25:11 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I wouldn't call Skylar a hero either. Her downfall came before she knew what Walt was even doing. She was scum just like Walt. They were perfect for each other.
GoldandBlue ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:55:24 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I never said she was a hero. I dont think anyone on the show is a hero. Maybe Hank. But the hate she gets is largely unwarranted and is mostly projecting IMO.
Your_Window_Peeper ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:58:20 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ahh my bad. I misread your comment. Sorry about that.
GoldandBlue ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:12:58 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
no worries, happens to everyone.
Smaggies ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:37:13 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What on Earth are you talking about? EVERYONE knows he's an anti-hero. I don't think I've ever talked to someone who didn't think he was a complete piece of shit.
People still root for him though because he's so compelling and she got in the way of him.
I never had a problem with her, mind, but your reasoning is nonce sense.
GoldandBlue ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:49:07 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You should check the responses I got then.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:34:50 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think they can both be hated. Part of what makes the show so creative is, as you pointed out, that they created a person who is easy to hate but that person also figures out the protagonist, the poor cancer patient, is a douche. But just because walt is a tool doesnt make skylar suddenly the good one
spacemoses ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:13:00 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The only reason she should be hated is because she ruined the fun that Walt was having as we saw it through his eyes. The character of Skyler White was pretty much everything we should expect from a character in her position. I thought she was great.
weenerstan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:07:18 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No I think people get that, she just sucks
livinglitch ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:28:46 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
At the start of that show I loved walter and hated hank. By the end of it my opinions were flipped around when I saw how much bad shit walter had done.
vadergeek ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:45:04 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Skyler finds out Walt's making meth in, what, season 3 or so? She was disliked long before that.
Kalkaline ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:53:59 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
At what point did you realize Walt was a piece of shit? Because by season 2 I had some hate going for him.
GoldandBlue ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:35:55 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I never hated Walt, but it did take me a while. I don't wanna get into spoilers here but i'd say the Jane situation was when it finally hit me in the face. I had been blind to a lot of things.
5171 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:56:12 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No. Her character was full of negative emotionality and traits. Walt was bad, but she was far worse in terms of obnoxious people that don't deserve to talk.
GoldandBlue ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 07:34:15 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, wanted to get her family away from a murderous drug kingpin. What a bitch.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:05:07 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
But she's insufferable from the moment the series starts ...
DrSmoke ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 00:59:05 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Speak for yourself. Walt is still my hero. Just because he cooks meth, doesn't make him a bad guy.
GoldandBlue ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:03:21 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
no the murdering and drug dealing, and betrayal make him a bad guy
BaconAllDay2 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 19:39:30 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I was on hate train Skyler until Ozymadias. Then I realized I was wrong.
Romnonaldao ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 19:31:12 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I didn't like her character the first time I watched it because she came off as very hypocritical. Crime to her was somehow less horrible if she was the one in control. As in when she found out about her sisters petty thievery. She was more mad that she wasn't told about it immediately than she was that it was happening. As soon as her sister admired it, Skyler was way more okay with it. It went from a crime to a family issue.
Time and time again Skyler would freak out on Walt whenever she wasn't the one in control. Walts making meth? Crime! Skyler is in charge of the cover story? Family secret. Walts making way too much money? Crime! Now Skylers in charge of the laundering and the car wash? Family secret. As long as the money was going to where she wanted it to go and Walt was doing as he was told she was fine with all of it. The moment Walt goes off her path she goes ballistic.
I found her character less grating the second time when I binged watched it all at once.
scrantonic1ty ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 20:04:41 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I disliked her early on when she didn't know about his criminal activities. Like, the dude had cancer and for all she knew he was just having a bad time coming to terms with it.
jbaird ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 19:38:31 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah if you hate Skyler its usually since you're buying a bit too much into the 'Walt is a badass' part of the story and hate that she is trying to stop that. I mean.. Walk definitely is a badass.. but he is also a terrible person and Skyler acts pretty rationally to a husband that is out of control and lies to her constantly
[deleted] ยท -6 points ยท Posted at 20:33:08 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
She smoked while pregnant. That's why I hate her
Provokateur ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 04:03:45 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The show is about a guy who cooks meth, murdered lots of people, lies to and manipulates everyone around him ... and you take moral issue with a pregnant woman smoking 1 cigarette? That's what you found immoral and offensive in the show?
It's an amazing show and Walt is a badass, but he's an evil badass and if you're going to moralize the show don't pretend that Skylar is the bad one.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:47:30 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Oh my bad I forgot I mentioned Walt should be canonized and she's the only person in the wrong
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 23:12:05 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
A single cigarette. After all the stress she was going through, and you could tell it killed her to do it. Kind of a weird thing to define a whole character by.
iglidante ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 20:46:29 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I watched Breaking Bad to have fun and explore Walt's journey, not to try to convince myself to sympathize with his irritating wife just because, in reality, her reaction is completely realistic.
Of course it is. And of course Walt is a bastard. But that doesn't make Skyler any more fun to watch.
Provokateur ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:10:12 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
But Walt's journey isn't "Meth is awesome!" It's him realizing and embracing the very dark parts of himself. Conflict with the people he's supposed to love most is a necessary part of that.
People never hated on Walt Jr. to the same degree, even at the end when he started doing the same sorts of things Skylar was criticized for.
iglidante ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:41:44 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I actually hated Walt Junior, too - just not as much.
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 19:25:48 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
She just has that annoying soccer mom vibe.
[deleted] ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 19:44:40 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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radredrum ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 07:04:13 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If people think obnoxious house wives are more despicable than ruthless drug kingpins there is something wrong with them.
crunchthenumbers01 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 20:13:06 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That half-assed bday handie in episode 1.
FeatherKiddo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:15:08 on January 4, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I now realize this is when I started to hate Skylar. That scene was something out of my worst nightmare. If I was Walt, I'd refuse cancer treatment too after that.
gnirpss ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 19:29:25 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Mostly because of sexist nerds.
Bat_Mannington ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 00:16:27 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
People don't hate her because they're sexist. They hate her because she was intentionally written as annoying to cause conflict for the protagonist.
[deleted] ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 20:15:53 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Don't like a female character and it's instantly sexism or misogyny. Not sure if you're being sarcastic but if not you have no idea how retarded you sound.
ingridelena ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 01:15:27 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not instantly, but when you start using coded gendered language like "nag" it becomes pretty obvious.
legitimategrapes ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 20:39:21 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's funny, I've never heard a smart person use the word "retarded" pejoratively. But the people who use it lack the self awareness to see the irony. They're making a hilarious joke that they themselves will never get.
FeatherKiddo ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:35:08 on January 4, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You belong on /r/iamverysmart. He said that guy sounded retarded AKA intellectually impaired and you went, 'Nuh uh! I'm smart and you're dumb because I don't use that word that way!'
legitimategrapes ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:24:08 on January 4, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not sure when I said I was smart , but post away!
FeatherKiddo ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:28:13 on January 4, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I dunno, it seemed pretty euphoric...
And since when did retard become so non-PC?
legitimategrapes ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:33:56 on January 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Would you really want to be Rick but without the genius? That's just being an asshole.
FeatherKiddo ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:04:42 on January 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Sometimes I like to think I'm Rick Sanchez or Gregory House except without any redeeming qualities whatsoever.
But I really think that 'retard' being non-PC is stupid. This euphemism treadmill is getting out of control.
legitimategrapes ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:16:46 on January 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I really think the term PC is stupid. With a few exceptions, the "euphemism treadmill" is just the expectation to treat people with respect. Using "retarded" casually is so far beyond the pale. It's not like getting mad about the distinction between Hispanic and Latino, it's a word that is used exclusively to insult by comparing to a disabled person.
I'm asking not to be combative, but just to understand-- why are you so attached to a word that has nothing but negative implications? It's not descriptive. What do you get out of using it that you're so eager to fight for the privilege to be mean-spirited?
[deleted] ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 20:49:29 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm glad you enjoy the common use of a slang term so thoroughly.
I'm also glad you chose to be pedantic and critical about a minor detail of my comment instead of actually addressing my point that your "dislike female character = dislike all females" assumption is baseless and ridiculous.
Just_Look_Around_You ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:06:04 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I do find it strange how people get confused about fiction and get angry as if it were a real person. Really shows how easily manipulated people are on the basis of emotion. But in any case, I think it's in large part because she's a woman. And people might think I'm making something out of nothing, but I really do think the B word might come up when describing her, when more critically, she's much more sane and grounded than Walter white - a character largely viewed through rose coloured glasses as a badass or whatever else.
praisethefallen ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:51:55 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I tend to agree, though Im usually not so articulate about it. I think, because she's his wife, they view her as nagging and a distraction from a cool story about a guy slinging drugs and beating cancer. But the show was great because of the characters that forced the audience to stay grounded. Yeah, she was of a weak character originally, but Walter was also a good guy, like a lovable crime grampa in the begining. As Walt lost humanity, his family got dragged into everything, and.... well, I think I just like what the writer did with the show, and thought she was a good part of that. So, sometimes when people hate her, it feels a bit like they "didn't get" the show. Like people who read/watched Fight Club and decided to start garage fighting rings after. Which is fine, theres no right way to enjoy something, but still.
MonitorMoniker ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:32:01 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Honestly I think it's the same as the Voldemort vs Umbridge thing that people talked about elsewhere in this thread. Walt is objectively a much worse person than her (murders, sells drugs on a grand scale, acts like a sociopath about it all, etc) but I don't know any real-life drug lords, so I couldn't personally dislike Walt.
Skyler, on the other hand, reminded me of the worst qualities of a couple exes of mine, so it was insta-hatred for her.
clancy6969 ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 00:49:56 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Cuz she had a horse face.
farlurker ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 20:44:46 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If you have a son with cerebal palsy, a late-stage, late-life pregnancy and a husband with lung cancer and no health insurance I think you might earn the right to be a bit pissy. Especially if your husband begins to act out his Pablo Escobar fantasies. That said, Skyler is a bitch. (But Marie, who essentially has it all, behaves far worse.)
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:43:37 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I agree with you, except I still really like Marie for some reason.
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 19:38:50 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
As a character I think she's very good, and has a personality complex enough to rival that of Walt.
[deleted] ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 19:32:32 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I always thought she was written terribly at first. In the pilot, she seems like the stereotypical "nagging" wife that would annoy anyone. Only when her character fleshed out did I start to like her, simply because that showed her as acting like a normal person with a fucking insane husband. I have since then realized she's a wonderfully strong and resourceful character, caught in a situation she didn't plan on EVER being in.
I definitely understand the hate in the beginning, but I thought she was much improved as the series progressed.
markandspark ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 21:26:44 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Is Breaking Bad nerd culture though?
hurenkind5 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 21:48:47 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
There is no "nerd culture". Everything "nerdy" is now mainstream (e.g. Star Wars, LOTR, everything).
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:33:58 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Good point, the only real nerds of the old school now must be academics. Looking at you, old English scholars.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:44:17 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My waifu disagrees with you.
ImQuestionable ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 23:27:45 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I always thought that Skyler was written that way on purpose, and in a clever way. In the beginning, you root for Walter and his cause. Skyler seems naggy and privileged and you can't wait for Walter to get out there and experience life and for Skyler to just fucking appreciate something.
Later in the serious, the entire thing switches and you find yourself hating Walter and the joke of a "cause" he still pretends to have. You realize Walter has been selfish the entire time and only fooling himself into thinking he was doing what's right, all while straying further off the path of what IS right. He practically abandoned his family and ruined the life he had left with them. Skyler might be naggy and annoying, but she was never wrong. She represents normality in every way, that's all she wanted, and she never asked to be caught up in Walter's end of life crisis. In the end, most viewers found themselves looking back and agreeing with her for the most part. She was the only person that saw through him for what he was the entire time (selfish, not that she knew he was into drugs the entire time).
pwndepot ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:01:19 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Watching that show as it aired: God damn Skyler is fucking annoying. Leave Walt alone!
Binging the show years later: wow, Skyler was actually often right, if not still a bit annoying, but god DAMN Walt is a fucking monster.
TheUnbeliever ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 18:36:23 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Skylar White was bad but her sister was a straight up cunt
patraxe ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:27:14 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Marie was way worse, honestly.
someguy73 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:12:50 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I like the hypothesis that Skylar is there to highlight the viewer's hippocracy for rooting for the bad guy. I mean yea, she's annoying and she's not exactly an innocent by the end of the show, but she's never the monster that Walter became. But people had no problem with him.
DarkBlaze99 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:18:02 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Shut Up!
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:45:21 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Shut Up!
tricky_tree ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:37:58 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
She just won't shut up.
eatmynasty ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:07:20 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Her living was the worst part of that show.
Troutsicle ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:33:37 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I actually stopped watching the series because of her character, sometime after her thing with Ted, and haven't been back. I've got all the seasons and know what happens, but her bitch stance was off the goddamn charts.
TrashMinky ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:07:43 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not certain Breaking Bad would qualify as something nerdy. Though, Skylar was acted well enough for me to detest her.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:16:04 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Skyler was right though. Marie was straight up awful with no reason to be.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:44:37 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm 99% convinced that people hate her because she's a woman, and it's utter bullshit.
deysum ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:50:46 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I hated hank
arduit ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:19:02 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
At first, I totally hated her, all the way through the show. Then, I rewatched it and really I felt for her. I get Walts motives, but Skylers just trying to hold everything together.
TheLoneWolf527 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:56:59 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Now when I was first watching the show, I'd probably agree with this. But Marie is like 10 times worse than Skyler is. The best Marie moment in the whole show is when Skyler just told her to shut up for 30 seconds straight.
The_Panty_Raid ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:37:42 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I hated her at first but honestly she was one of my favorite characters by the end.
K1LOS ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:25:22 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
God damn did I hate Skylar.
Funkays ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:25:14 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
She's also a baby smoker
average_user_421 ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 19:31:50 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Sweet baby Jesus this is the correct answer. I hated that ball busting nagging bitch from her first to her last moment on screen.
wpiman ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:03:20 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ted.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:24:14 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I like Skyler.
Chezuz_Krytzt ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:59:11 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Skylar ruined Anna Gunn for me, no matter where I See her, I instantly hate her for being Skylar...that's acting I guess
GoliathTCB ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 18:03:38 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I have never seen past midway through season 2 of BB, mainly because that's when she starts getting screen time outside of progressing Walter's character.
KosherFetus ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 18:29:33 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well that's an awful reason not to watch the best show of the past decade
TheUnbeliever ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:37:21 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Sorry, I love BB but the new season of Fargo blew it out of the water. Also, Deadwood was better too.
KosherFetus ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:26:23 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Fargo is great, Deadwood is good but not close in my opinion. The Wire is in my opinion the only show that compares.
detectiveriggsboson ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:36:34 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Best show of the past human history.
Desril ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 18:35:25 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think you're confused, they're not talking about Firefly.
That being said, BB was good but it wasn't as amazing as everyone goes on about. But I suppose it's just because I hate morons like Walt.
UnicyclingBear ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 19:04:33 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Fucking this.
Dougdahead ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 19:50:32 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I hated her so much because she just seemed to be a bitch for bitch sake. If you are married to someone for as long as they have been, she should be able to tell he is trying very hard to take care of them. Yes it didn't end that way but I fully believe it is because she felt the need to try to be in charge after she found outx he seemed capable of keeping it hidden and working well without her help.
MaxJohnson15 ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 23:22:35 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
She was an awful black hole of boredom in limited scenes on Deadwood. Watched season 1 of Breaking Bad and can't get past even more her. It's gotten to the point where I think it's the actress and not the characters. Either she's EXTREMELY well cast or is a brilliant actress.
unfurledwarrior5150 ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 23:55:22 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
But boobs though.
satisfried ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 19:06:55 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I liked her at times. For a while there she was a perfectly obedient accomplice.
tmmtx ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 20:25:02 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
nynaeve from the WoT books... All that damn braid pulling and whining.
bitsysredd ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:15:36 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm in book 4 right now and Nynaeve is pretty whiny. She just can't get over the fact that no one cares about her opinions now that she isn't the Wisdom of Two Rivers anymore. The fact is that she was a time bomb who would have eventually been killed by her own power and should be grateful that Moiraine took her to Tar Valon. I expect her to go beast mode on pretty much everyone and never find true happiness.
Ixidor89 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:50:51 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
IMO, the parts where she's being whiny and angry are funny. It's rare that there's an instance of Nynaeve being angry at someone only to show that Nynaeve is angry, or has a temper. Usually it's to poke fun at it. For example, there's a part of book two (I think) where Nynaeve is whining to Elayne about how she's not the Wisdom anymore and what even is her calling in life anymore blah blah blah...
Anyway, Elayne says something to the effect of "It'll be all right" and Nynaeve responds "Please do not humor the Wisdom" basically right after having said that she's not the Wisdom anymore.
KorrectingYou ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:58:03 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Spoilers maybe, but Moiraine is pretty specific about Nynaeve not being in danger because she's already past the age where she might have died/burnt herself out. They just keep Nynaeve around because she's got the highest power-level. Until Alivia comes along... and then Jordan/Sanderson never do anything with Alivia so it might as well be Nynaeve.
Furoan ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:54:10 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Nynaeve is actually one of the more interesting characters. I agree you, early books she was a massive cunt, she just got on EVERYBODY's nerves. Moiraines, the three Ta'Veran, other Aes Sedai, Elayne, Egwene, Min...it just went on and on. However after book 7 (whiere she was unbelievably bad) she actually started to mature. By the time of the last three books (the ones written by Sanderson) she was actually one of the more agreeable characters.
[deleted] ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 02:19:13 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
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KorrectingYou ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:03:54 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Every detail except, you know, all the details. The "actually being written" part of the final three books is Sanderson's doing, and what's actually written down is the most important aspect of all of it.
Maybe Mr. and Mrs. Jordan planned on Nynaeve being less terrible, but it was Sanderson's words that made it so.
InspectorGoole ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:31:29 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
On boook 7 it's just so bad. I want to punch her. And not just her, it seems there will never be a likeable female character in those books. Except maybe Min. But i'll probably hate her by the end too.
KorrectingYou ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 05:01:01 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not likable, or not flawed? Because Egwene and Elayne are both fairly likable, they just have their flaws. Min is likable... Faile is likable...
stufff ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:30:38 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't find them remotely likeable. Their every other thought is about how some man is a "wool headed lummox" or how they'd like to slap their faces or box their ears or some other such bullshit. Every book I read I'm thinking "holy shit is this really what Robert Jordan thinks all women are like?"
InspectorGoole ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:28:29 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No they really aren't. Elayne and Egwene just always ranting about how stupid men are. Aviendha has her moments where she isn't completely unlikeable but they just behave awfully, they are all the same, so whiny. Faile like Min is okay where i am but i have feelings she'll go south too.
KorrectingYou ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:42:24 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Egwene and Elayne (and most Aes Sedai in general) think Men are foolish and impulsive. Mat, Rand, Perrin, and most male characters talk about how foolish and impulsive the female characters are. It's almost like both authors are making a point about how men and women perceive each other's actions.
InspectorGoole ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:03:56 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
But at least the male characters have more thoughts in their heads than that. All the women characters are nothing but whine, 90% of the time about men. And Egwene and Elayne have not been Aes Sedai long enough to be that indoctrinated by the others and their views of men.
stufff ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 08:29:08 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm on book 4 and I feel this way too. The way Robert Jordan writes female characters I have to wonder if the man ever had a healthy relationship in his life. If every woman I met was a shrill nagging bitch whose only opinion of all men didn't extend beyond "wool headed lummox" I would just have to force myself to acquire a taste for cock because I wouldn't go near them
mithril_mayhem ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:23:26 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I tried to re-read again recently but by book 3 I was so fed up with all the braid tugging and her immature lack of self awareness - I mean she was supposed to be the town wisdom for crying out loud! How can she be so blind with hatred for Moraine, blaming her for everything that happens to them? Arrghhh i could rant about that bitch for an hour, you hit the nail on the head with this one.
Bonzai_Tree ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 02:02:36 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Professor Umbridge in Harry Potter.
I hated that bitch in the books almost more than the actress in the movie--but she did a damn fine job too.
FlightlessAvian ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 18:58:15 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The monsters attack!
...and Jerry showed up too.
"The Wi-Fi sucks here"
ORANGESAREBETTERTHAN ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 00:03:17 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Dinkelberg!
margarine_of_evil ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 05:52:40 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The most hated character in any medium of fiction.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:41:24 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Does anyone actually hate him enough besides Dad?
fidderjiggit ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 18:17:35 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Professor Dolores Jane Umbridge.
Sno_Wolf ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 00:54:23 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
*High Inquisitor and Headmistress Professor Dolores Jane Umbridge, and I will. Have. ORDER!
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 20:08:53 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Doodle-bob anybody? I hated that guy with a burning passion for trying to fuck with my dude spongebob.
xahnel ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:25:05 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Doodlebob and his magic pencil need to come fuck up the new seasons.
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 21:05:32 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 01:04:49 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No, Laurel's the second-worst. The worst goes to Felicity. The entire universe revolves around her now.
Pangolin007 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:13:26 on January 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I understand where you're coming from, but I honestly don't really mind her. She annoys me a little bit but all my hatred is used up on Laurel. I mean have you seen her face. ugh
iminnola ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 00:38:21 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
King Joffrey.
_blueberrypancakes ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 00:47:00 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Dolores Umbridge
tzenrick ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:06:12 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Bitch.
dudetotalypsn ยท 38 points ยท Posted at 18:50:01 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Laurel from Arrow
Dougdahead ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 20:03:30 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
She is annoying. Although Felicity is starting to bug me. Thea is insanely hot and her story is becoming interesting, finally.
dudetotalypsn ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 20:18:13 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The thing I hated the most was that finally she was kind of Badass at the beginning of the season. She actually fit in as enough time had past that it made sense for her to be as skilled as she was. She became an integral part of the team and wasn't troublesome, I thought "nice maybe she's becoming a sick character" then all that shit with the Lazarus pit happened and I was like "what the actual Fuck?"
ckubec ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:58:53 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You'd think she was a bad ass by now, but every fight Laurel ends up with her ass getting kicked. I feel the recurring joke with ppl I know that watch the show is what stupid thing will she do next, whether thats losing a fight or doing the lazarus pit crap.
thecptawesome ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 21:32:13 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"Oliver, you don't see me as an equal"
"Well... you suck at fighting and make terrible choices without telling me"
dudetotalypsn ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:49:05 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And then they presented it as if we're supposed to agree with her. Bitch you ain't even equal to felicity let alone Oliver!
gary1994 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:11:15 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No you wouldn't. She was working full time as an ADA while "training". So she would have been lucky to train 5-10 hours a week.
I despise the way the character warps reality around her. It's like they have to make all the other characters dumb to give her something to do and seem relevant.
Moobyghost ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:29:46 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I agree with the person above you about Laurel, but I will agree that sometimes Felicity makes me grind my teeth. I mean look, I am bi-polar almost anything of empathy or compassion can throw me into tears, but i will be damned if she does not cry more than i do. Has there EVER been an episode she does not cry in?
stufff ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 08:39:13 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Everyone on Arrow except Diggle.
Mattyx6427 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:56:58 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"You can't go around lying and keeping secrets from everyone Ollie."
30 seconds later lies about going on a spa vacation to take her sister's body to Nanda Parbat, then keeps the fact that her sister is alive again a secret.
dudetotalypsn ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:35:42 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And then spins it around as if Ollie is the asshole for getting mad at her when he finds out after she clearly did something stupid.
Blee10 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:47:59 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
She's so fucking terrible.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:00:02 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Laurel actually made me stop watching Arrow.
gary1994 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 00:12:18 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Same. I didn't come back until this year's Flash crossover. They seem to have drastically cut back her screen time.
pcyr9999 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 01:31:31 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Why's that?
whosthedoginthisscen ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 17:59:05 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Fucking MINMEI.
Spodson ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 19:01:27 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The only character that deserved to live and be happy was Max Sterling. Dude was a straight up killer.
BombasticSnoozer ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 18:08:12 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
what about her rapey cousin? Kyle fuckin kyle
icallshenannigans ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:52:40 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
God. Both of them can get fucked. By each other for all I care.
Meanwhile Lisa is always there through battle and heartbreak. Whilst also dealing with her own (very real) issues both with her own struggles with the morality of war and her relationship with her dad (an influential military man and all round hard case.)
Minmei the cunt can't even get over the fact that sob this is all really happening to poor little me... and verybody keeps forcing me to sing a fucking song.
Meanwhile Lisa mans the bridge of a space fortress and helps her best friend through the grief of losing her one true love in battle. Whilst also brokering a peace treaty between the warring factions and bringing about an age of coexistence between the races.
Minmei the twat sobs in her dressing room about the only just having realized how badly she'd been treating Rick while she was swept along by the (now breaking) wave of fame that she had been caught up in.
What a fucken cooze and frankly Rick is also a knob for not seeing any of this before almost losing Lisa forever.
BombasticSnoozer ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:24:25 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
But honestly most guys I know (myself included) have been rick at some point. Young and wild, so when a girl first comes along showing a hint of interest in us we charge after it. I know in my own experience that the girl was destructive,but god forbid anyone say so because then they was morons...now i laugh with them at my stupidity.
I always liked Lisa; I mean badass dame in charge of a space fortress and quite foxy looking in a space suit!
icallshenannigans ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:20:09 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You're right. I've been there too.
You can kind of forgive him I mean his motives are always pure and he's kind of caught up in the whole romance of the thing. The chance meeting just as her star is rising (and shortly his too.) Now she's famous but he knew her when she was still a waitress in her uncle's noodle bar and he's loyal as all shit this guy too, almost to a fault so he stands by her when really he should move on.
He even leaves her to the treachery of creepy cousin Kyle at her request (almost to a fault like I said.)
Then there's all the confusion of Lisa.
Minmei is a girl but Lisa is a woman. She's complex. She's sexy, powerful, and vulnerable - especially to him. He doesn't know what the feelings he has for her are because she's the first time he's felt this way.
Most of their relations at first take place over the communicator during battle - can't even begin to imagine how fractured those communications are.
At the same time Lisa is learning about this kid battle by battle.
The mettle of him - so far beyond his years.
He's a talented pilot and largely out of control but he's also a born leader (remember her dad here) who leads from the front. Rare qualities that she's uniquely capable of seeing in him.
He's seducing her despite being younger and literally not knowing he's doing it, and what could be more perfect for a woman like that? A powerful, military career woman is not going to submit to the cheesy advances of some young buck but because Rick is unaware it makes him accessible to her.
In fact she behaves at first not unlike that girl on the playground who fancies you so she keeps punching you and being mean whenever she sees you.
When she realizes she's in love with him it is defeat.
For her she has been defeated by him and it could be no other way. She was raised like this. 'Her Man' would be the man who would win her, he would win her despite herself.
But Rick is a romantic remember, so for him she wins his heart by being consistent and yet unexpected and of course vulnerable.
The day she runs over to his prefab drunk in the rain to offer her love to him is the perfect gesture for him.
He's loved her for some time but he's immature and not the kind of person to have that self awareness anyway. He acts on impulse and intuition. He needs danger to make his system tick into action.
So Lisa has been in the background not trying to make any grand gestures, maybe even a little embarrassed that this young hot shot has her all a flutter.
That's her problem though, she needs to set off alarms to get his attention.
That's where Minmei has her beaten, she's a walking air raid siren. That particular damsel pretty much only does distress. But she's selfish and eventually that's her undoing. She wants to change him, wants him to stay home. Not go into battle. Not do the very thing that makes him who he is.
Meanwhile Rick and Lisa are growing together. They share politics (they both believe that humans and Zentraedi must find a way to live in peace or the war will destroy both sides) and they are selfless in their service to the citizens of Macross City.
Here's the crazy thing though: Minmei would have had everything she ever wanted if only she had known when she had it.
Had she been able to loosen her grip even just the slightest bit Rick would never have left her.
Lisa is everything Rick ever needed. She's an ally in the war. She's matriarch to this orphan. She's sensitive and so, so strong. She loves him with open hands and she's capable of this kind of love because she's mature.
Also as you said: she tight and a redhead to boot.
BombasticSnoozer ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:47:01 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The day a boy stops falling for girls and starts falling for women is truly the he becomes a man. Say what you want about "becoming an adult" its becoming a man or woman. Ya the law says Rick was an adult but he wasn't a man till he stepped up in war and lead Skull Squadron (RIP Focker, the coolest Focker to exist).
DrRotwang ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:29:13 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"STAGE-LIGHTS! FLASH-ING! THE-FEE-LING'S SMASH-ING!"
Mitchie-San ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 07:37:51 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What? That little guy was funny in Austin Powers.
thereddaikon ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 20:54:38 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Going off the replies to your posts I can see everyone here watched the abomination that is Robotech instead of Macross.
porkyminch ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:28:53 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Seriously watch Macross, it's better.
thereddaikon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:40:33 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
amen
4everal0ne ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:23:32 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
SHALL I SING FOR YOU, RICK? YOU PERVERT!
tehweave ยท 51 points ยท Posted at 18:43:50 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Not nerd culture per se, but Randy from the final season of that 70s show.
Edit: Spelling
redlerf ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 18:46:27 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Per se*
PC509 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:47:25 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yes. Fuck that guy. Annoying as fuck. No way could he replace Eric. He was a shit actor, too.
26326312 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:02:47 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Fuck that guy!
Im_Your_Turbo_Lover ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:38:33 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I mean, Eric was pretty nerdy so I guess it counts.
TheSandyRavage ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 23:05:58 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Today I learned that "nerd" culture is literally everything.
helloo25 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:32:14 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Seriously, literally everything that's considered good TV/film is itt
[deleted] ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 21:22:56 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 01:06:00 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I've got something a little different for you.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:02:18 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hey, it's easy XP.
xahnel ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 14:24:01 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
~disable
Ambiestep ยท 40 points ยท Posted at 19:26:24 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Sakura from Naruto. I absolutely fucking hated her, and forever will cringe whenever I think about that dumb, useless, pink-haired fairy-fuck. She was literally THE epitome of useless.
HotPandaLove ยท 24 points ยท Posted at 22:47:28 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think a lot of the female characters weren't handled well in that series. In the manga when they're doing the chuunin exams, every male fight is drawn out in detail, then when temari fights tenten the fight mostly takes place off-screen.
Konan is straight badass, though.
Turterra ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 23:55:47 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Someone actually mentioning tenten?
Never would've imagined the day.
DanneMM ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 20:59:04 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well... not really anymore. But shes still weak compared to the important ppl.
hewhoreddits6 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 04:10:02 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Naruto and Sasuke got so strong they reached DBZ levels of power creep. Much like how Goku reached new levels of Super Saiyan, Sasuke got new versions of the Sharingan eye that just bordered on unbelievable. Like how the original forms of their power were only attained by very few people, they not only attained them, but moved beyond for the sake of power creep fighting porn. Like all the cool characters with interesting and diverse abilities and strong points from the chuunin exams were basically thrown into the background in Shipuden.
DanneMM ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 12:35:14 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I actually disagree with you on the cool characters being thrown into the background.
During the war there was alot of focus on the different fights. With Gaara, Kage of the stone( havent watched in a while), The right hand man of the Raikage and alot of others showing off a diverse set of powers.
Shippuden is also more focused on Naruto and Sasuke. While the non shuppuden series built the world, showing characters and a stable power creep. Shippuden is a focused story showing only what it needs of the ppl wich wont be a part of the last fight without loosing the context or weight of that fight.
hewhoreddits6 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:56:32 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, I guess I'm just salty that they threw away some of my favorite characters from the chuunin exams in favor of just developing the Sasuke vs. Naruto thing. It wasn't as interesting anyway, because I really hated how Naruto kept wanting to redeem Sasuke as a character when he was obviously very far gone and crazy. Even in their final fight, Sasuke had some bogus reasons, and had a bunch of twisted (understandable considering what happened to him) views that were just cliche and not very interesting.
Bokonomy ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 00:53:40 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Eh, what was the name of mr. Angst that she was crushing on? I hated that guy more. Actually, I hated Naruto too, once I saw it dubbed.
LtLabcoat ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 01:10:24 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Sasuke was a very hit-or-miss character. Either he's cool because he's dark and brooding who follows his own path, or he's annoying because he's a whiny loner who's obsessed with his stupid "avenging his brother" mission.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:04:21 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Anyone who says Sakura is useless clearly hasn't watched anything past the first episode of Shippuden.
Annoying, on the other hand, that's a valid complaint.
MrAmoeba ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 05:26:03 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
She didn't really do much in Shippuden either. Ultimately it comes down to Naruto and Sasuke being spiritual whatever the hell they were because god knows Sasuke didn't have enough contrived reasons to be forgiven alongside half the villains in the series. Back to Sakura though, she still fails to do anything against Sasuke (Didn't she go against orders to try and go after him herself and had to have Kakashi bail her out?) and lies to Naruto about her affections, doesn't do anything significant against Pain, etc. The only thing I can immediately recall is that she defeated Sasori/saved Kankuro, and even then she needed his grandmother to keep her in the fight. Practically everyone interesting got sidelined towards the end, which was even more frustrating.
Big_D_Squirrels ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 22:30:49 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
But she hot tho
hehez ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:27:03 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Its mostly comparative to the powercreep boner that Kishimoto got for the themes of destined rivalry and history repeats in cycles but love and determination will break it. The story would've been so much better if it wasn't so fixated on the back and forth ninjutsu dicksize competitions between naruto and sasuke.
Sakura is very useless, but we mostly derive that from putting her next to the two most historically overpowered kids in narutoverse who really didn't earn their powers at all.
DoctorWaluigiTime ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 19:19:36 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Can I cheat and say Darth Jar-Jar?
Really it's more the fandom that has centered around that cheeky fantheory that, for whatever reason, is being treated so seriously.
SirPseudonymous ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 12:11:38 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Because it's one of those theories that's just so much better than canon, like the Empire really being the good guys, Roose Bolton being an immortal half-demon that wears skins as masks like the Faceless Men do, or Xion/"the real world" just being another layer of the Matrix rather than the world the Matrix exists in.
DoctorWaluigiTime ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:51:03 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This is not better than canon, in my book. It's completely just me I guess, but I hate theories that try to whitewash the villain's actions and try to set it up as "they were acting good all along." And the whole "the emperor is the one and only person with knowledge of some super secret powerful invasion force that's coming to rule their galaxy so he's just secretly preparing the galaxy for it" is complete nonsense in my eyes, and would completely ruin his character.
Don't know about most of the others, and would like that last one, but I just go with the "no sequels were made" fantheory. :p
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:57:36 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'd say I'm somewhere in between; I like the idea that the Emperor is preparing for the invasion, but I dislike when people try to spin that as the empire being good. They're still really, really evil. And he isn't preparing out of the goodness of his heart, he's preparing because if he loses that war, he loses his empire/maybe dies.
DoctorWaluigiTime ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:03:50 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's a bit of a better compromise. Because if he was full-on good guy and was really secretly being a goody-good, that legion of jedi knights would be a stupid thing to eradicate.
kgbanarchy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:22:47 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
but its still fan theory right its not real?
Flaggermusmannen ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:13:16 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, it's just a theory
for now
DoctorWaluigiTime ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:51:45 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
People want it to be real, with those being disappointed that JJ Abrams didn't "revive George's vision" in the post-episode-6 movies.
tb0n3zz ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 21:02:51 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Whoreson Junior. Fucking degenerate.
Cwy531 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 22:32:14 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Twin Peaks: James Hurley
line6210 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 01:50:23 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Joffrey. Hes one of the few characters you hated so damn badly that you hate the actor who played him too. Hes also one of the few that you got to see die, although for me, it wasnt painful enough.
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 03:14:11 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Toby from The Office
If I had a gun with two bullets and I was in a room with Hitler, Bin Laden, and Toby, I would shoot Toby twice.
Concretesurfer18 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:25:23 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Makes complete sense. Hitler and Osama would just be corpses anyway.
xahnel ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:25:52 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Michael. You can't say that.
runporkyrun ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 07:23:37 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Tauriel from the hobbit
penguinb30 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:12:39 on January 4, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Interesting, why?
runporkyrun ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:43:59 on January 4, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Wasn't in the books. Used mainly as a love interest.
SpanishBombs323 ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 20:22:30 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That bitch Willie in Indiana jones and the temple of doom
[deleted] ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 19:56:28 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ramsay fucking Bolton.
Digita1B0y ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 19:59:57 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe I missed it, but I'm kinda surprised no one has said Keiko O'Brian.
StoneSoul ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:15:23 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Amen! Couldn't even look at her without getting passed off!
DarkMoonBro ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 18:36:50 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
People seem to hate Raiden from MGS2 but i always liked him. He is a whiny little bitch though.
lordofthemonkeyfists ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:18:03 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's mostly because they were led to believe they would be playing as snake then he comes out of nowhere. MGS4 redeemed him to a lot of people though and he got Rising as his own title.
Polish_Potato ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:48:12 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
How come Venom isn't hated then?
SmashtasticAsh ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 21:00:19 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Laurel. Fuck you, Laurel.
ron_swansonator ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 23:34:20 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Professor Umbridge!!
booze_nutrients ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 23:55:23 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
lwaxana troi?
Dancing_Cthulhu ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 00:01:44 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I disliked her quite a bit until that episode where she was stuck in an elevator with Odo.
hmscoachhardin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:51:50 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Refresh my memory...what happened?
Dancing_Cthulhu ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:10:56 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
They were both stuck in there past Odo's required... bucket time, I guess you'd say. He doesn't let people see him like that, because of his history etc.
Troi takes her wig off and reveals she's got insecurities and depth and so on. It was a pretty well written, touching sequence. Made me see Lwaxana in a somewhat new light.
greevous00 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:46:49 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Okay. I'll give that one to you. The character did indeed achieve a certain amount of gravity from that episode. But holy smokes, that was like what, 12 years after she was introduced? I mean there's a lot of stuff to hate about that character. I'm just glad she didn't become a regular on any of the shows.
Dancing_Cthulhu ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:56:37 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
I definitely agree with you. I just had to hand it to the writers for DS9 that they thought "you know, I think we could do something positive with Lwaxana Troi" and then managed to do it.
hmscoachhardin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:25:30 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ok...bucket time?
Dancing_Cthulhu ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:43:11 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Odo had to revert to his liquid form after a certain amount of time or he'd be unable to keep his form and it'd cause him pain. Founder equivalent of sleeping.
He usually kept himself in a bucket when he was in that state (really more of a vase thing, but it was called a bucket/pail).
hmscoachhardin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:03:02 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ok. Gotcha. I've totally forgotten about this. I watched the show so much, but this has slipped my mind.
jetfuelcantmeltbeams ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 00:10:40 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
me
Shadow_XG ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 08:42:34 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't hate you
-JungleB- ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 00:29:14 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Jerry.
xahnel ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:26:12 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Newman.
SlightlyOrangeGoat ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 01:05:02 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Laurel from Arrow. CHANGE YOUR FUCKING EMOTIONS
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:18:33 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
A blatant case of "model casting." Few TV shows escape from some studio dick forcing someone into the cast based on factors other than acting ability.
-_ellipsis_- ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 03:38:46 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"HEY!!! LISTEN!!!"
Navi.
RunJumpStomp ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:58:52 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ahhhh. SHUT UP NAVI!!!!!!
karnyboy ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 05:09:07 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
LISTEN!
HEY!
Navi.
Alefron ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 05:46:59 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hey new here. But I just had to make an account to comment. The MOST annoying character ever. Is fucking Snarf from the original Thundercats.
I loved the cartoon network even though shortlived reboot. It was great. So I decided to go back to where it started.(I love 80s cartoons and the cheezness).
The show is so great but I can't get passed fucking Snarf oh my god. I watched like ten episodes and I was like if snarf shows up and does some stupid ass shit I'm gonna smash my TV.
80s Snarf is a bumbling idiot scared of every little thing. Not remotely interesting. And just overall so fucking awful and annoying.
Unfortunately it has ruined the franchise for me.
Maybe one day I'll try again.
Shadow_XG ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:42:04 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Snarf snarf!
PM_ME_UR_GW_PICS ยท 196 points ยท Posted at 17:12:58 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Joffrey Baratheon
[deleted] ยท 302 points ยท Posted at 17:47:00 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The spirit of the question implies which character is hated not because they are such an amazing villain but because they are such a crappy character. So Joffrey doesn't fit here.
GoliathTCB ยท 74 points ยท Posted at 17:54:58 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This, watching Joffrey bite it was so satisfying and at the same time a bitter end to an intense character. Meanwhile, Lori's death on walking dead, a necessary end to a stagnant, lifeless burden of a character.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:07:52 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I was so happy when they both died. Like really excited.
sonofaresiii ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 18:59:34 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
i don't find that implication anywhere in the OP.
"most universally hated"
that sounds like joffrey alright.
[deleted] ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 19:06:50 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Jar Jar Binks isn't hated because he is a well-acted cruel character. He's hated because he sucks and should be edited out of the movie.
sonofaresiii ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 19:17:21 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So? That doesn't mean that's the only reason to hate someone.
[deleted] ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 20:02:30 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This thread isn't about which character is deliberately unlikeable. It says besides Jar Jar... The implication is which character was the worst not morally but in terms of ruining a story.
sonofaresiii ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 20:06:19 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't find that implication anywhere in the OP
and just because you keep saying it doesn't make it true
sarge21 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:10:37 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That implication was never made
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:06:45 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Do us both a favor and read the title of the thread you're in.
_KanyeWest_ ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 05:54:41 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Do us both a favor and GET A FUCKING EDUCATION DUMBASS
Smaggies ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:32:12 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The implication is in the comparison to Jar-Jar surely? He defines the 'shit character that fucked everything up'.
jargoon ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:18:39 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The Sand Snakes in that case
YOU WANT THE BAD PUSAY
asd_asd_asd ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:55:46 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't know about other people but I really hated Joff as a character sometimes. In the show more than the book.
I mean, him torturing the prostitutes felt really edgy.
"Look how evil he is! Wow! Isn't he evil?"
It was as if they wanted us to hate him but it came off as forced and edgy, to me at least.
PixelBrewery ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:10:08 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
People keep disagreeing with you, but you're right. Duh, people hate Joffrey and Professor Umbridge - you're supposed to. The question is, what shitty character is ruining the things you like just by being in them?
Mirshikar ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 19:02:37 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He wasn't an amazing villain. He was the biggest dick of a character to ever exist.
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 19:08:02 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's what made him An amazing villain. He was cruel, horrible, vain, hateful, stupid... It wasn't a poorly written character that ruined the show like Jar Jar.
mrbananas ยท 52 points ยท Posted at 17:32:41 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
All hail His Grace, Joffrey of Houses Baratheon and Lannister, First of His Name, King of the Andals and the Rhoynar and the First Men, Lord of the Seven Kingdoms, and Protector of the Realm.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 19:07:49 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
FTFY
80_firebird ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:23:05 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Fuck Joffrey, fuck Cersei, fuck you.
furthermost ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:26:29 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What does "first of his name" mean? Is it like Joffrey I (Joffrey the first)?
mrbananas ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 02:17:50 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
yes. Because there has never been a king joffrey baratheon before.
The mad king Aerys had the title of the second of his name. making him Aerys II. The thing is no one actually says Aerys "2". they would say aerys "the second" or more properly "the second of his name."
furthermost ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:12:08 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ah excellent. Thanks for confirming that for me!
tangoewhisky ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:32:07 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
All hail His Grace, Joffrey of Houses Baratheon and Lannister, First of His Name, King of the Andals and the Rhoynar and the First Men, Lord of the Seven Kingdoms, and Protector of the Realm, aka The Insufferable Little Shit
FourForTwenty ยท 26 points ยท Posted at 17:48:13 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And fuck Olly too.
Mirshikar ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 19:06:00 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Olly is a kid who knows nothing, he was raised a certain way with certain ideals and when the wildlings came they confirmed everything he was taught. So the way he acts is perfectly reasonable for a 10-11 year old.
andnowforme0 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:27:30 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, until he stabbed an already-dying Jon Snow. I get that he had to fit in with the rest of the Watch, but stabbing Jon felt more like him kicking a puppy.
HalfMoonSky ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:28:26 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I thought Jon Snow knows nothing...
FluffyPigeon ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:18:23 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
For the watch
spikewolf123 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:35:05 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
/r/fuckolly
Lintson ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:39:50 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
/r/fuckolly
hooahest ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 17:42:05 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
fuck the Bolton bastard
TeddyGom ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:35:51 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Fuck Cersei, too!
Virus64 ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 17:46:57 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Eh, Jaime's already been there, done that.
LordDVanity ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 17:48:19 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Pretty sure most of us would fuck Cersei
UberVice ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:48:11 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
SHAME
LordDVanity ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:53:20 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
RIGHT
[deleted] ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 03:48:12 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
[deleted]
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 06:21:22 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Because if you were a real nerd you'd know Gary Oak ended up chilling the fuck out and deciding to become a professor like his grandfather and being a cool dude.
Fuckin normie
Red__M_M ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 05:08:43 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm gonna step off the ledge and say Clippy from Microsoft. I hate Clippy. As in, I didn't bother disabling him, I straight up removed him from every copy of Office that I ever installed. You couldn't get him back unless you had the CD.
crashumbc ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:49:35 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Don't have gold. But have a upvote! That is by far the most original answer. And probably the best, I hated that fuck...
Feverish_Peaches ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 18:55:11 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Umbridge. Fuck that cunt.
Thor_PR_Rep ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 20:01:15 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Emily from the game Until Dawn: "it's just prank, Han"
Shadow_XG ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 08:36:24 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
everyone from until dawn except that one nice dude trapped in the relationship with that shitty Asian lady
littlemeowbeast ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 21:08:29 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Umbridge. I hated her more than Voldemort.
-Crux- ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 21:54:41 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Dolores Umbridge
EwanWhoseArmy ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:32:50 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hem Hem
Bizzshark ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 22:00:59 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Fucking snarf
kerelberel ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 22:04:16 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Tom Zarek
lanakers ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 00:14:19 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Jarl Balgruuf's kids. I'm not here to lick your father's boots because i'm the fucking dragonborn.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:04:15 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
One of the new servants? Just remember that I like my meat rare.
lanakers ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:43:31 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Those kids were just as bad as Braith, maybe worse
JuratssicPark ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 01:26:34 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Murlocs
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 05:34:15 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Scrappy Do
DrivingPark ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 06:23:05 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Roman "Let's Go Bowling!" Bellic.
Coppin-it-washin-it ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:52:47 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My game glitched one time and in the middle of a firefight, during a mission, Roman showed up behind me and was talking about going bowling.
I couldn't even be mad. It was just so perfect
boognishthebaker ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 08:20:30 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Fucking Umbridge.
AnzaiOne ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 18:33:51 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
From the MCU, Darcy Lewis, played by Kat Dennings.
SciFiXhi ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 20:20:45 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
But mew mew.
Dougdahead ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 20:02:09 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think she wasn't terrible. Those boobs made up for a lot.
ReservoirGods ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:24:17 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I just cannot separate her from that shitty 2 broke girls show because of her mannerisms and it ruins it for me
PC509 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:50:19 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Really? I didn't think she was that bad. Not really a great person to have there, but not that bad. Annoying, though.
poohster33 ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 22:18:38 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The fans. The hardcore fans that beg, plead, demand changes until they get it and ruin a franchise. Then complain about that.
KarmicHammer ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:25:27 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This needs to be higher
Eustace_Savage ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 17:50:10 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Wesley Crusher.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:05:11 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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xanthippa ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:59:14 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And Beverly Crusher - once she gets starts trying to get her creepy clutches into Picard!!!
fastredb ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 17:44:02 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Jocks.
๐๏ธ proggybreaks ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:45:00 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Also Jox, of the robot variety.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 18:45:41 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
fuck you that movie was great
that_guy_fry ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 22:35:00 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
3PO was hated before jar jar existed
124213423 ยท 22 points ยท Posted at 01:11:00 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Man, I'm glad he's not in the new movie. The droid with the red arm is a hell of a lot better.
LtLabcoat ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 01:12:41 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
In that he barely talks, yeah.
(I don't know why I'm saying this, I loved C3PO!)
[deleted] ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 05:15:14 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Wait what. I love c3p0.
that_guy_fry ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:57:29 on January 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You're one in a milliion babe.... yea thats what you are...
You're one in a million babe, you're a shooting star.
kperkins1982 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:50:10 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You know, I was watching the old movies to prepare for watching the new one, and the thing that kept coming back was that apparently I've never noticed how much of a whiney little shitbag 3P0 is
R2D2 is awesome the whole time, and he just bitches, and half the time cares more about himself than everybody else
GrandMasterReddit ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 07:43:50 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The fuck are you talking about? 3PO was the shit. If it weren't for 3PO, R2 would have been a very dull and boring character. If it weren't for R2, Luke would still be harvesting and tending the farm with Uncle Owen.
that_guy_fry ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 02:57:04 on January 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
C3PO sucked. I mean he served his purpose, but he was a bitch.
SoCuteItHurts ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:56:18 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'll just leave this here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hi5jjXTPtyY
ShadowBannned ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:10:23 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hardin_of_Akaneia ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:19:40 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Kylo Ren is meant to be a whiny cunt.
Beaver_Taint ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 18:56:46 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Olly.....that little prick who betrayed John Snow
IfThatsOkayWithYou ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:02:21 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Jon*
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 20:47:20 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hi
IfThatsOkayWithYou ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:54:16 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Sup
phrantastic ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:33:52 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's okay with me!
GamerLegend007 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:18:35 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Raiden in MGS 2 didn't get a lot of love. Gamers warmed to him after his transformation.
generalmalk ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:29:29 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Oh Sookeh. Oh Beel!
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:34:36 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Shinji from Evangelion
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:21:02 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Olly
aethelberga ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:25:46 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm surprised no one's saying Adric from classic Doctor Who. He's sort of a proto-Wesley Crusher, and I've never met anyone with a good word to say about the character.
Tall0ne ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:44:59 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Wesley Crusher.
xiphasz ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:46:49 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
How the hell is JOFFREY BARATHEON not more popular on here. i cant think of a character i hate more...
Asmoday1232 ยท -6 points ยท Posted at 21:49:12 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Because Gane of the ones is boring and actually not a good TV show. It just got popular and everyone thinks they need to keep watching it. It's no better than Days of our Lives and about as much action and suspense too.
Bakkie ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 22:36:52 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I am tempted to use my throwaway account for this, but I tend to agree with you. I watched on DVD and made into about episode 2 or 3 of Season 2 before I got bored
Asmoday1232 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:43:00 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Fake Internet points are meaningless. Never understood why people care about them haha.
d1z ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:50:02 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Anakin Skywalker in Episode 1
tytheanomaly ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:21:13 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Meg from family guy
sandman730 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:23:54 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Shut up Wesley!
GreatDjangoFamily ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:26:39 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Buzzfeed "writers"
DarthRedditAlien ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:27:06 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
While not the most hated George Lucas gets his fair share of shit talk
poonsaderthedank ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:40:42 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Watto, fucker that resists the mind trick. Like why doesn't the empire just use them so Jesus don't escape?
Dancing_Cthulhu ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:21:59 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
poonsaderthedank ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:53:58 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That would be one amazing skit
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:46:29 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Who am I? None of your business.
ShadowBannned ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:16:11 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
speaking of Wil Wheaton and Felicia Day...
BAZINGA himself, Sheldon Cooper.
Deus_Machina ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:47:37 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The Catalyst from the end of Mass Effect
hmscoachhardin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:52:42 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It seemed to be a rushed ending.
lamdac0re ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:59:37 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Kyles Mom
GrandMasterReddit ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:47:05 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The big fat bitch?
SlobBarker ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 03:13:54 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
has got it going on
AllPurposeNerd ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:23:47 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Scrappy Doo?
eskimoabby ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:23:51 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Dolores Umbridge... It makes my skin crawl just to think her name.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:37:51 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The Adoring Fan. The little bastard has been killed more times than Sean Bean.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:02:56 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
BY AZURA BY AZURA BY AZURAAA!
Coppin-it-washin-it ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:51:10 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I wanted him to make a return in one of the Skyrim DLCs for the sole purpose of being able to wander up to the highest peak, have him find me there, then I would give him a FUS ROH DAH off the steepest side of the mountain
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:04:48 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The montages would have been great.
lionmuncher ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:39:46 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Joffrey.
peepjynx ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:51:09 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The entire cast of Batman and Robin. (except Alfred, of course)
lousy_at_handles ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:56:45 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Toby.
Sarcastic_German ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:02:04 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Pritchard from Deus ex.
blackcoleman ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:02:19 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't even understand why jar jar is so hated. He didnt ruin the movies nearly as badly as Hayden Christianson acting
playahate ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:27:31 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Jar jar is a sith and should be loved for it.
PurpleHairDontCare ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:49:47 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Delores Umbridge... Nobody likes that squeaky voiced, toad-faced bitch.
stephanepj ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:54:20 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Janice in Accounting.
TreeAndPlants ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:22:15 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I heard Matilda at PR is a bitch as well. Pisses in the water cooler
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:54:35 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
JANICE IN ACCOUNTING DON'T GIVE A FUCK
Drakon519 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 05:12:40 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Laurel Lance from Arrow
stenseng ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 05:15:49 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Wesley Crusher.
TreeAndPlants ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:21:02 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
SHUT UP, WESLEY!
Ssoldier1121 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 05:36:18 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The thief from Spyro who stole the eggs.. Fuck that guy
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 05:40:15 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Joffrey Baratheon
ryvandal ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 06:03:16 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Krillin.
Specifically because he had the chance to kill Android 18 with the 'Shut Down Remote' but because he had a crush on her he couldn't do it... therefore in the end killing Goku, Android 16 (The NICE android!) King Kai, Bubbles, Gregory, and future trunks... Nevermind all the innocent causalities in between...
Pussy aint worth killing your best friend for Krillin... Now you know why you die all the time... #Brosb4Hoes
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:51:38 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I forgot about that! Fucking Krillin
Munchiesmybutt ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 06:21:54 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Scrappy doo
alexisonfire14 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 06:28:37 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
God damn Wesley Crusher from star trek.
Cmoushon ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 06:45:28 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Navi the fairy. HEY LISTEN!
spotsthefirst ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 09:01:53 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I would assume Joffrey Baratheon.
RoxasIchi ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 10:22:51 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Shinji GET IN THE GOD DAMN ROBOT!!!!
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:02:41 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Anakin from Episode II and III of course...
Infantrydad ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:57:20 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I wouldn't piss on Hayden Christenson if he was on fire.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:13:03 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
In fairness to the guy, he seems rather humble nowadays
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:28:20 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
ITT: people who think binge watching popular TV shows = "nerd culture".
desolateddreams ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 18:42:32 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Joffrey Baratheon from Game of Thrones
crazy4finalfantasy ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 19:43:56 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I cheered at his wedding.
Lawsuitup ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:51:37 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Best.wedding.ever!
schlingfo ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 17:49:49 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Kefka
[deleted] ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 19:43:49 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't know anyone who hated Kefka. He was that special combo of criminally insane/comical/evil that makes an entertaining bad guy.
Although what he did to Doma castle and General Leo was a big time dick move.
Neohexane ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 21:01:14 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think the brilliant thing about Kefka's character is how in the beginning he's a kind of laughably incompetent villian. He fails a few times and you laugh at him. As the game progresses he starts to gain ground, and he does some evil, brutal things. He goes from laughable to scary and it makes you hate him and fear him. He's my favorite FF villian. (Sorry Sephiroth)
schlingfo ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 20:54:57 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I guess I misunderstood the point of the thread question. I thought it was characters that inspire hatred.
Nobody has made me hate them more than Kefka on my first playthrough.
I guess OP is asking for characters so poorly done that we hate their existence.
ottwrights ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 20:02:59 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Kefka is the best Final Fantasy villain IMO. From his flamboyant attire to his vicious laugh all the way to the means in which he gains power.
Nah. Though she's powerful, everyone hates Vanille...even though the voice actress did an amazing job of executing her direction. Good direction? That's debatable.
MacHaggis ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:06:33 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I want what you are having.
ottwrights ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:19:15 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
From my understanding, she was told to have a Japanese inflection with English speech. Can you imagine rearranging sentence structures, constructing that structure's phonetics, then translating that phonetic directly to the original language structure??
spookychan ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 19:13:13 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
that goddamn Kefka laugh
ThrowawayusGenerica ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 19:25:56 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Gwah-whoop-whoop-whoop-whoop
baltakatei ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:14:14 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Son of a submariner!
KnowMatter ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 21:03:28 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Nah he has as many fans as haters. There are many who will swear that he is the greatest FF Villain.
The same could be said of Sephiroth really, people either worship him or dismiss him as an emo git.
thedude37 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:42:32 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
mwa-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha!
Harvester913 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:34:12 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
There's sand on my shoes!
Tisarwat ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 17:21:28 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Tara after Oz. Then, after people liked her,
Kennedy after Tara
I_can_pun_anything ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 17:55:59 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Cailliou
petit_trianon ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 18:02:32 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No, Oren, i don't know how I'm going to die
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 18:46:51 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
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phrantastic ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:34:35 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Haha, she doesn't even get a name anymore. Beautiful.
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 18:54:45 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Wesley Crusher
Unthinkable-Thought ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 19:05:50 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I always come to these threads to say Wesley Crusher. The Jar Jar of Star Trek
just_to_annoy_you ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:36:59 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's too bad, really...Wil is a good guy, with his head on straight. Must be quite an anchor to drag around.
ShadowBannned ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 22:59:40 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe during the early days of his blog.
Now Wil is a purveyor of "le Geek Culture." Teenaged Wil didn't deserve the hate he got. Adult Wil certainly does.
hellomynameis__ ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 19:51:29 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Sheldon Cooper
tricky_tree ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 20:39:29 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Pete from Mad Men.
bigoldgeek ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 22:13:57 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Scrappy-Doo
Denarious ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 22:30:45 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Lwaxanna Troi
Mollywobbles225 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:54:00 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Who (aside from you) hates Lwaxanna Troi!? I love her, she's great fun.
pashapook ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:50:47 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I love her!
SayHelloToMyAfro ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 17:27:11 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Shut up, Meg
skybrew ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 19:40:53 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
George Lucas
Hardin_of_Akaneia ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:23:34 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Good storyteller, shit director.
Zacoftheaxes ยท 25 points ยท Posted at 17:45:23 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Jason Todd, the second Robin.
When given a chance to decide whether he would live or die, comic fans
overwhelmingnarrowly voted to have the little shit die. People paid money to call a special hotline so they could see him dead. The Joker ended up killing him after the poll concluded.DC Comics eventually brought him back as a villain which some people liked and others hated ("I paid money to kill him and he's back alive now!"). Then he became an anti-hero and everyone hates him again.
Edit: I was wrong, the vote was incredibly close but there's evidence certain individuals were "spamming" the phone lines to inflate the vote.
sourcecodesurgeon ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 18:51:18 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I love Red Hood. He just needs a solid writer behind him.
Also, DC has to let the series be more adult than they are willing to do with a Batman character. He could very easily be a similar character to Punisher.
GoldandBlue ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 19:21:03 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No Red Hood is a pointless character. His resurrection takes more away from the Batman mythology than it adds. You can have great writing but it doesn't overcome a flawed character who only exists for fan service/shock value.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 20:01:46 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I am really confused by your line of thought with this. Can you please elaborate?
GoldandBlue ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 23:46:31 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Sure. Jason Todd is a perfect example of "you can't replace a legend" and of a character taking on a life of its own. Initially he was literally Dick Grayson part 2. He was a child from the circus, his parents died, etc and people obviously hated it. So he was retooled to be the anti-Dick Grayson. He had attitude, he was from the streets, had a mean streak but he ended up becoming a Dick who would not listen to Batman. He became an asshole. And as much as the writers tried to fix him, fans just hated him more. Until finally Jason killed someone and he became an irredeemable character. Which is why they decided that killing him should be an option.
So Jason became an embodiment of Batman's failure's. He became the story about Batman wanting a Robin so bad that he took a chance on someone who should not have been a Robin. But bigger than that, Jason's death was a reminder that Batman was human. Unlike the other heroes, he could die. Just like Babs being paralyzed was a reminder of that. When Bane broke the Bat, it was serious because you had a dead Jason and paralyzed Babs reminding you that danger is real in this world. It could be permanent because Jason was dead and Babs was in a wheelchair.
Flip that to now when Alfred was kidnapped or Damian was killed, its harder to take those threats serious when Jason Todd is standing there. You have taken away the threat of death in Batman.
Now some would argue that Jason is a walking reminder of Batman's failure, or that he is Batman taken to the extreme or his dark reflection. But Batman is a man who sets the entrance to the cave by the time his parents were murdered. He keeps Jason's uniform encased, he does not a reminder of his failures. Also, there is Prometheus, Owlman, Midnighter, Wrath and many others who are dark reflections of Batman.
Hell if you want a Bat-son with attitude, we now have Damian. So not only does he add nothing, but bringing him back takes away the death that meant so much to the Batman mythos.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:04:51 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Wow that's actually a great way to look at Jason. I really liked your answer and you gave a damn good argument. I guess he is like the Gwen Stacy for Spider-Man.
I still love Jason. But I mean his personality, every thing about him is all defined by that one moment, his death. His heavy pessimism and still apparent violence in the flesh is still a reminder. I reminder that Bats thinks about every day when he looks at the Red Hood. A reminder that Batman thinks about when he looks at Damian because he doesn't want the same thing to happen to him. I get the threat of death.
But the character himself is very interesting to see imo. Like not with how Batman sees him but with just Jason. I like to read characters that are broken on the inside and Jason is a great example of this.
I guess what this has made me realize, is that Jason Todd currently is a great character but it would have been best if he stayed dead for Batman. So I guess he should have taken a role as Gwen Stacy, Batman's parents, etc. But would you also agree, along that same line of logic, that Bucky should have stayed dead as well instead of being resurrected as the Winter Soldier?
GoldandBlue ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:23:39 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I am not trying to tell you you can't like Jason Todd. You can like whoever you want, I am saying he is a flawed character because of the reasons I stated. People are often attracted to broken characters, i have never really been that way. My favorite heroes are Dick Grayson, Cyclops, and Kitty Pryde. Aside from Cyclops are probably the two most well adjusted characters in comic book history.
I'm not a big Cap fan so its harder for me to say because I don't have as much knowledge as I do if we were talking X-Men or Batman. But I don't think Bucky has the same impact in coming back that Jason does. But I have a problem with how death is treated in comics in general. It has no meaning other than shock value.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:44:43 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah I got that. I like Jason Todd but I understand what you are saying.
And death is a meaningless concept in comics.
TheCatbus_stops_here ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:19:49 on January 18, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Death shouldn't only be what means so much to the Batman mythos. It should also be about hope and second chances. And that's what Damian's resurrection was about: how much you would go for a second chance with someone you love and to do a better job as a father.
The Batman stories after Batman Inc #8 seemed like a cycle of depression and futility. Batman went through one meat grinder then another. If I was following the titles during that time, I think I would've taken a break from Bat stories.
His mission to Apokolips could've ended differently, but it offered something hopeful amidst what was happening in Detective Comics, Batman, and Batman Eternal. I'm glad Peter J Tomasi and his team went through the trouble of not only bringing back Damian, but making that journey meaningful, hopeful, and just balls-to-the-wall fun.
GoldandBlue ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:33:46 on January 18, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What do you think Dick and Tim are? Dick is Batman's greatest victory. A child seeing his parents killed to senseless violence, believing if he did something different his parents would be alive. But instead of wallowing in self pity and holding that grudge, Bruce gave a shoulder to lean on.
The problem is for Batman to grow, he would need to realize that he can do more as Bruce ad not Batman. Resurrecting Damian or Jason will not do that. All it does is lessen the impact of those stories and future stories. That isn't hope or a second chance. Tim was Batman's second chance with Jason. Hope is giving Dick, Tim, and Damian the chance at a better life.
But it was almost the same Journey that Bruce went through when Jason died and he met Tim. While it is a good story and I am not saying you can't like it, but to say that that story is worth bringing a character back to life is not something i'd agree with. It comes off superficial to me.
And lastly, what does it add? Is Batman a better character now than he was at the start or is it the false allusion of change that Stan Lee talks about where in the end a character is right back where he was at the start of the journey? I'd say it is the former.
TheCatbus_stops_here ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:29:06 on January 19, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And with Cassandra. Just because it already happened to Dick and Tim doesn't mean it should stop there. Batman's story started with death, but personally, I would prefer to have more hope and second chances than just someone in his dying and him having to act like the biggest tool again.
Having them back in his life is another avenue to explore their story just as their death would provide another. In the end, the skill of the writer should bring the story to where it should go. Whether or not you will be convinced is another.
GoldandBlue ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:33:19 on January 19, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Or they could do something else without taking away the importance of their death. Like a good writer should be able to do.
TheCatbus_stops_here ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:36:35 on January 19, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well, we have different views about life, death and resurrection in comics :)
GoldandBlue ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:38:11 on January 19, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
agree to disagree
JackalKing ยท 33 points ยท Posted at 19:15:35 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Lol what? No. That is completely, 100% false. The vote was 5,343 to 5,271, a difference of only 72 votes. When we are talking about votes numbering in the thousands then 72 isn't even close to being "overwhelming". Its a difference of less than 1%
And tons of people love the Red Hood character, especially after the animated Under The Red Hood movie boosted his image. And that movie would have never been made if he wasn't already somewhat popular of a character. Let that sink in. DC greenlit an entire, full length animated movie about that character specifically. Entirely about him. And you think he is on the level of Jar Jar Binks?
If he was really that much of a hated character then they wouldn't keep using him constantly, and constantly referencing him in many different Batman comics, games, animated movies, etc.
I honestly have no fucking clue where you are getting the idea that Jason Todd is a universally hated character because it is absolutely not true in any way.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 20:05:16 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah right? I'm not against him having an opinion. I understand that there were people that disliked Jason Todd when he was Robin. But I really haven't heard of anyone complaining about him as Red Hood. Yeah there is poor writing but despite that people like him.
Zacoftheaxes ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:18:28 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Huh, I remember reading that the margin was only close because one guy had a machine that constantly called the line to let Jason live, but rereading that guy was actually for killing Jason Todd.
I should not I actually really like Under the Red Hood, but him becoming an anti-hero afterwards was really poorly done.
dmkicksballs13 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:18:14 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You also forgot to mention that one dude was responsible for hundres of the votes because he rigged it so that he could vote multiple times.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:49:40 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah I agree as a big comic fan you are completely right. Jason Todd wasn't really a hated character. And I think they did an amazing job of turning his death into a tragedy and a really deep part of batmans character.
mikefarquar ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 18:43:14 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I actually like him now.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:02:50 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I haven't heard of anyone hating him. So far the general consensus is that he is a widely liked character.
LtLabcoat ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:12:04 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's like they have no idea what DC Comics do.
Zacoftheaxes ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:42:39 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
An old saying used to go "No one stays dead in comics except for Uncle Ben, Bucky Barnes, and Jason Todd." That saying is even funnier now that two of the three have been resurrected.
DoomedVisionary ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:34:50 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Didn't care for him as a Robin but I love him as the Red Hood. I also believe the original vote was very close don't overwhelmingly large.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:01:42 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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Zacoftheaxes ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:02:46 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Everyone loves Nightwing. Dick Grayson is in the opposite boat, possibly the most loved DC character. Jason Todd is the current Red Hood, which was cool for all of one animated movie before they made him a misunderstood motorcycle enthusiast.
Dzjill ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:08:48 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ah shit, I got my characters mixed up. Nevermind then.
jeffseadot ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:56:32 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Beaten to death with a crowbar, right? It's such a great way to kill off a character the fans all hate.
hulk181 ยท 32 points ยท Posted at 17:36:39 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Skylar and Marie from Breaking Bad. The male characters were so good, but the female ones were so annoying.
desertravenwy ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 17:53:12 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Related: Laurie from Walking Dead.
What is with AMC making the wives of main characters the most annoying humans on Earth?
Norwegian__Blue ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 18:47:08 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'd argue this is not true in mad men.
desertravenwy ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:49:47 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Damnit, I knew someone was going to bring that up.
Bat_Mannington ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:23:24 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's just lazy writing. They are a character that's always around to be used to create conflict when the plot calls for it.
[deleted] ยท 63 points ยท Posted at 18:40:02 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I really liked Marie and Skylar. I sympathized with their characters, and thought their actresses did a pretty good portrayel of women who would be stuck in situations like that. I never even realized there was any hate for them until I started looking up BB discussions on Reddit after finishing the last season.
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 19:36:30 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I responded to a similar comment above about Skyler, but I also loved Marie. She was annoying at times, but you really got a feel for how she acted and why. She engaged in illegal activity as well, and served to show another instance of "everyone does something illegal/bad" in the show. She was useful! Just not for identifying minerals.
praisethefallen ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 19:01:15 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's mostly a "nerds are sexist but don't think they are" thing.
[deleted] ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 19:11:33 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
People dislike Skylar because she interferes with the protagonist's goals. In a TV show, viewers tend to sympathize with he protagonist, even if he's doing bad things. Skyler gets in the way of that, so it's natural to dislike her, even if she's behaving exactly as she should.
People dislike Marie because she's a lying, manipulative, stealing, spoiled bitch. There is literally nothing likable about her and several things that clearly identify her as a shitty person. In the first season, she nearly gets Skylar arrested by giving her stolen jewelry, then refuses to apologize or even admit that it happened. So yeah, I don't like her.
Or maybe I'm just sexist. Yeah, that must be it.
LtLabcoat ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 01:05:56 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't think it was that Skylar was basically an antagonist, I think it was that Skylar was just a really annoying character. She was meant to be a loving wife torn between sticking with her husband and upholding the law, and it was meant to show how Walt's new life was interfering with his old one, but it ended up just making her look both incredibly angsty and incredibly indecisive. Every time she appeared, I just felt like shouting "For god's sakes lady, stop complaining about what's happening and go DO something about it!"
Hell, even when she decided she wanted in on Walt's "gentleman's business", she was still whining! She was a drug lord whinging about how she was a drug lord, as if she was forced into the role by slavery! It was just so annoying!
[deleted] ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 19:12:10 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No its more of a "Marie needs to shut the fuck up so the plot can continue" thing.
LtLabcoat ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 01:08:36 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Oh c'mon, "People don't like this character because they're bigoted" is the ultimate in being so cock-sure of your own opinions that you believe there must be something actually wrong with anyone who disagrees with you.
Jah_Ith_Ber ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 01:17:36 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You have preemptively dismissed a widely held opinion by calling a group sexist. That's biggotry yo. Exactly what you are railing against.
Dekar173 ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 22:46:55 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
R E T A R D A L E R T
verination ยท 41 points ยท Posted at 18:47:35 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Early in the show Skyler was the voice of morality, which draws some ire if you're a staunch proponent of Walt's descent into the drug trade.
In Anna Gunn's NY Times op-ed (that I recommend reading if you haven't yet), she explains "Because Skyler didnโt conform to a comfortable ideal of the archetypical female, she had become a kind of Rorschach test for society, a measure of our attitudes toward gender."
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Kenny__Loggins ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 21:10:55 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What she did isn't even in the same ball park as what Walt did.
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Kenny__Loggins ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 03:56:08 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Neither are people who shop lift chewing gum but I hardly think that is even worth pointing out.
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Kenny__Loggins ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 04:05:18 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I didn't say that. Do you understand how analogies work?
I feel like it shouldn't take 3 messages for you to understand that the basic is that all crimes aren't equal. Your original message implies that she is just as bad as Walt and that is ludicrous.
indoordinosaur ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 19:09:23 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
In the first few seasons nearly every scene she's in she is bitching, complaining and trying to control Walt. Walt is a shithead about 70% of the time too so it's understandable why she's always up his ass but that doesn't change the fact that she gets in the way of the interesting parts of the plot.
MrBogglefuzz ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:34:15 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, the easiest way to ignore criticism is to define it as racist or sexist or whatever. It lets you cover your ears and pretend everyone else is wrong.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 21:01:53 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
There's a difference. Marie is unlikeable because she's so narcissistic, thoughtless, and can't take responsibility for her actions. Skylar is actually a pretty reasonable character. She's trying to hold her family together, or at the very least, get Walt Jr. through his teenage years without totally fucking him up. People just didn't like her because she spoils the "fun" part of the show: Walt's wacky drug-and-murder hijinks.
hulk181 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 22:10:48 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
To me, it was more than that. She's got an annoying voice and her face kinda pisses me off too. Plus, she cheated on Walt and gave almost all Walts money to her boss who she was banging. I kept thinking, why is Walt trying so hard to save a marriage to that bitch. He'd be better off without her.
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 01:08:56 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's okay though, because she is a woman.
zellfire ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:39:16 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I loathed Marie the first few seasons, but came to like her okay by the end.
halfhartedgrammarguy ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:15:37 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Why couldn't she understand THEY WERE MINERALS!?
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 18:09:30 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Non-neckbeard fans of BB don't mind them at all.
porphyro ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 18:37:45 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not sure that's fair; the thing about Skyler is that almost whenever she comes on screen, her function is to delay the plot and try to stop Walter from progressing his meth business. She, as a character, is well-written, realistic, relatable and well acted, but someone who is watching and waiting to see how the plot develops might feel frustrated during her scenes because she, as a plot agent, is acting against what that viewer wants to see. They want to see the meth plot progress, Skyler scenes not only don't progress that plot but pull it backward
DownbeatWings ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 18:34:48 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Most people didn't like Skylar, because for the first few seasons she was barely even a character. She was just a plot point, something to give Walt another conflict with. Around the time she figures out what Walt was really doing she started to come around as a decent character, but for a lot of people the hate was already there.
mikepictor ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 01:41:46 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No...a lot of people loved her, and in fact feel she should have had more screen time.
PalladiuM7 ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 18:32:39 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not a neck beard, didn't like either of them. Marie was a manipulative and self-centered person. Skylar was extremely passive-aggressive. I honestly didn't like most of the characters on the show aside from Mike, Gus and Gomez, but that's because they were so well written that they reminded me of shitty people I know in life.
spes_phthisica001 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:50:53 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
only really liked mike and saul, out of however many seasons.
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 19:12:54 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If you don't hate Marie, then you must not hate any fictional character. She's one of the most hateable characters I've ever seen, outside of murderers/rapists/other serious criminals.
Pipthepirate ยท -12 points ยท Posted at 19:58:27 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Skylar is a bitch. She has her own opinions and thoughts. A wife should never speak and always offer sex even if she doesn't want to do it
standupstanddown ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:10:51 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Marie was a little nuts, but I liked Skylar. Everything she did was a bit over the top, but at the same time her husband was a freaking meth kingpin out of left field. She just wanted life to be normal again.
pituitarymonk ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 20:19:56 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
that stupid fucking alien on the Flintstones
RustlinUpSomeJimmies ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:34:06 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The Great Gazoo.
Dog_does_a_jig ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 20:22:47 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Wesley Crusher
Glitchypink ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 20:33:29 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Sheldon Cooper.
captainedwinkrieger ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:32:12 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"Nerd culture"? Really, you're using that blanket term to describe anything from pop culture?
๐๏ธ proggybreaks ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:54:50 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Nope, excludes Kardashians and Honey Boo-Boo. And DJ Pauley D.
slackerboyfx ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:05:17 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Where does Kanye fit into this?
๐๏ธ proggybreaks ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:18:27 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ripped off Akira, so I'm going to say, barely.
Shadow_XG ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 08:44:00 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
you're very with the times huh
HandicapableShopper ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 06:28:48 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Katherine Pulaski, second season doctor on TNG. Almost everything about her was annoying. She's full of herself, and condescending to everyone around her.
EDIT: Really need to stop trying to English at 1am...
screenwriterjohn ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 16:18:13 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
A lot of people hate Xander.
Wes Crusher did not work out at all.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 18:12:44 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Xander Harris? Why?
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:01:32 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, I just don't get that
Smlilley ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:39:13 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"Shut up Wesley!"
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:45:03 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yup. Hate Xander.
fenix1230 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:40:03 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yup. Hate Wesley Crusher.
Moerty ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:26:12 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
xander cruz? he's just the president of the mega corp that makes the awesome-x dolls, i don't know what your beef is with him.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:16:01 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Boosh!
[deleted] ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 17:51:33 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The ghost from destiny. They even changed the voice actor and he's still just as bad. The game itself had no real story and what was there of it was very forgettable. Aside from that, it's not a bad game. I could do without having to visit different kiosks just to get new weapons or outfits but I guess that's what Bungie had in mind.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:55:56 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He's pretty funny now actually, and the consensus among the majority is that he's well liked, so I don't think he belongs here.
Leman_Russ40K ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:27:53 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I agree, and even when it was the sort of mono-toned computer voice of dinklage he was a good character, The real problem is in all of the fan fics, and written stories in destiny's lore the ghosts have such personality and character that they are an active part in the story. Not just a floating light brite lock pick with an affinity for telling people where we are.
Very well liked by most in general, if anyone from the destiny universe is hated its more likely to go to Eris morn or "The Stranger" and those were just poor writing and an overly aggressive amount of grimdark 2spooky5you
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:37:29 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I really don't like the Stranger. I don't think I've ever seen such an irrelevant character in a video games. She appears, tells you how evil the Vex are, then GTFO until you kill the Black Heart and gives you her rifle.
No explanation of anything, at all.
Leman_Russ40K ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:10:51 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I am nowhere near as committed to the game and community as I was a few months ago, but IIRC bungie said that she was apart of a campaign story line that was removed when Activision got ahold of the game. That she was and will be in the future, a very important character who is worth more and does a lot more.
Would have been cool if she had time to explain why she didn't have time to explain but who knows.
DogFister19 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:12:55 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
A CELL, FROM THE PRISON OF ELDERS. THE ARCHON PRIEST IS STILL INSIDE.
Shadow_XG ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 08:41:09 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
that wizard came from the moon
senor_top_hat ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:48:03 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If you read the grimoire cards, there's a hell of a lot of story. You're right being that you can't access the cards from in game, but saying there is no story is ridiculous.
You're revived and go to this place where there are a bunch of people like you. You have a shitty ship so you go and try to get a new one. Spooky aliens come down so you investigate. Realize there's an invasion coming, so you set up an array but find an old A.I in the mainframe. Go to the moon to find a guardian so we can find out wtf is going on up there. Realize they have a weapon that can permanently kill you so you destroy it. Find out a part of your god is being studied to find a weakness, so you rescue it. Go to Venus because you got a tip about how to slow down all these douchebags that are starting fights everywhere and discover time traveling murderbots...etc
All the missions in the game had a point. Even the raids.
VoG: this one vex dude can control time and is pretty much the main reason the vex can time travel. Go kill it to stop their progression.
Crota's End: so this dude is coming to murder every living thing in the system. We gotta stop him for the sake of our system.
Prison of elders: (ok, I'll give you this one) So we stop a rebellion that discovered how to time travel and we locked him up. Now we're gonna go kill him in his own cell.
The Taken King: so the god you killed had a dad who has been searching for the traveller and you pretty much expedited his arrival. Way to go. Now go kill him.
I mean, obviously its not your cup of tea. I've been playing since the beta and still enjoy searching for new things I haven't found or even playing the old stuff with different play styles.
Shadow_XG ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:41:28 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
you shouldn't have to read them
senor_top_hat ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:47:43 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Second sentence I wrote said that...
Even without the grimoire there's a story. Everything I wrote game from the base game.
Shadow_XG ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:52:09 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
it's really shittily delivered story that had a lot of potential.
senor_top_hat ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 08:55:53 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You know what? I'll agree with you there. they could have done a lot of things differently and I think now that the game is out there, they'll make it to how they originally wanted it to be
Sun-Anvil ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 18:15:51 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Howard the Duck in any format.
Drslappybags ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:12:39 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I enjoyed him in civil war.
lordofthemonkeyfists ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:17:06 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The new Howard the Duck series is hilarious.
SlobBarker ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 03:08:20 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The Fox executive that cancelled Firefly.
blackjackandcoke88 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:13:46 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Holy fuck I wish I could gild this post. Also the NBC executive that cancelled Hannibal.
Unexpected_Artist ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:30:33 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The true villian.
Lord_NShYH ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 04:02:39 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Anita Sarkesian.
Gwynasyn ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 06:55:41 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Every single god damn caharacter from Big Bang Theory.
Fuck that show.
__Sparkles ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:51:45 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
GINO zilla
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DrRotwang ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:31:20 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I used to bullseye Kender in my T-16, back home.
RQK1996 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:05:29 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
how is the only mention of Scrappy Doo someone saying that one critic called BB-8 the Scrappy Doo of droids?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:22:25 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
There's really no need to say it at this point. Saying you hate Scrappy Doo is like saying Hitler may not have been that great of a guy.
Melgibskin ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:08:30 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Golobulus from the animated GI Joe movie.
ManamiVixen ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:08:34 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
A lot of Nintendo fans despise Princess Daisy.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:18:12 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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karafrakinthrace ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:19:18 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Do you get to the cloud distr...... FUCK OFF NAZEEM.
Cooper0302 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:24:14 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Godzooky. For the love of all that's holy, I hated that bloody thing with all my little heart when I was a kid!
DrRotwang ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:25:53 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I dunno about you, but when I was a teen reading the Dragonlance saga, I wanted to smack Tasslehoff Burrfoot.
With a truck.
5MoK3 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:47:25 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
/r/fuckolly
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:49:56 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
ITT: things from media that aren't "nerd culture"
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:08:56 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Jar Jar's not hated anymore.
r/DarthJarJar
TheMoogy ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:10:35 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The guys who call it "nerd culture".
im_from_detroit ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:15:45 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"Hey, listen!"
Hardin_of_Akaneia ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:24:06 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Fi is worse.
"There is a 70% chance that the object you are standing on is a cake."
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:15:53 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Lisa from Six Feet Under
greevous00 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:31:46 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Had to look her up, but yeah. I hated that character. Needy borderline personality tree hugging skank.
beeradvice ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:16:00 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Snarf.
OP-pls-respond ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:19:25 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
AAAAAUGBIBBRGUBUGBUGRGUBURGLE
KomradeKoala ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:19:28 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Pudge.
FRESH MEAT
If he's on my team he's less than worthless. On the other team he will just get fed and snowball into a stupid fat murder machine.
FUCK PUDGE
NimrodOfNumph ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:20:44 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Navi
Hardin_of_Akaneia ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:23:53 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Fi
xast ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:22:09 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Kai Wynn from DS9
Ferare ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:28:30 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Mr Derp or Jenny from Forest Gump.
usrevenge ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:28:33 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
now that Jar Jar is outed as the supreme sith lord he is no longer hated.
hillgod ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:34:23 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The kid from Over the Top.
Maybe not on the same level, but no one likes that annoying little shit.
FuckJoffery ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:50:31 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Snarf
hazedandabused ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:50:42 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
While watching breaking bad, I didn't like Skyler, but looking back on the show I understand why the character was that way, but Marie was just awful.
SgtPossum ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:51:27 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Fuckin' Wesley Crusher, of course.
repeat- ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:55:54 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This is probably my favorite thread today because I didn't realize so many people hated the same characters I do.
On that note: I agree OP. Slippy is a lil douche.
mcham420 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:58:33 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
OGRE!!!! NERRRDDDDDDDDSSSS!!!!!!
greevous00 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:38:35 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, but he eventually becomes a nerd, so there's that. ;-)
LordFoulgrin ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:01:28 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Wesley Crusher
Gamecube007 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:04:16 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Orko from He-man.
Jayomat ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:06:19 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
ok fuck it.. why does "everyone" hate jar jar? :o
lakebum23 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:16:22 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Me so happy you be saying that
Goldigger101 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:08:07 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Skylar blue, walter white wife from breaking bad
playinsanity ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:13:23 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Godzooky from godzilla
TheCatterson ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:24:10 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ramsey Snow or Ashildr...
Even though the thing Ashildr did was not her fault to a degree but still...
Alex_The_Redditor ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:28:38 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Peggy Hill
PM_ME_UR_FLOWERS ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:36:20 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Kai Winn.
sleepinglegsandtoes ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:40:47 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ben Linus and Sayeed. Also, thank you Lost for making me lose faith in mystery/thriller series for like ever. Wunderbar.
Sparowes ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:56:29 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Not sure if these are all geek culture as much as just pop culture, but...
Wesley Crusher and Dr. Pulaski in Star Trek: TNG
The Sand Snakes in Game of Thrones Season 5.
Kim Bauer in 24
Debra in Everybody Loves Raymond
The Adoring Fan in The Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion
Darkstar to some extent in A Song of Ice and Fire
Lagoon Boy in Young Justice: Invasion (S2)
ShadowBannned ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:01:38 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
she lost the audience the moment she asked Data about the pronunciation of his name. what a shitty way to introduce a character.
Sparowes ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:09:57 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
She was a total bitch to Data virtually the whole time. Luckily it was just one season.
datamonger ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:27:55 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Pulaski. Her last name was spelled Pulaski.
Sparowes ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:41:48 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ah, noted. Will correct that.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:58:06 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Orco from the he-man cartoon
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:58:19 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Poochie the Dog
SpezwubsSpunk ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:00:06 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Nelix
buckwheats ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:02:15 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Carter Burke. Wayland exec.
NSA__4__the__NSA ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:04:30 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That blonde lesbo cop in Sons of Anarchy
WinUnlimited ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:08:12 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The guy who turned in Jean Valjean for stealing a loaf of bread to feed his starving family.
Dancing_Cthulhu ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:01:42 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Narrowly beating out Javert (when he's being portrayed by Russel Crowe).
monochrony ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:16:25 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
fucking mutt in indiana jones 4.
margarine_of_evil ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:06:33 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
any Shia LaBeouf charachter, including Shia LaBeouf himself.
monochrony ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:20:08 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
i must say, as of today, i find him to be more and more interessting. he's putting much more effort in his acting and has become quite self-aware about his personality and behavior. he's like this strange cousin, you only see a few times a year and always surprises you with something new.
chrimata ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:18:06 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Luwoxana Troi?
SixInchesAtATime ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:42:40 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Sad this is at the bottom.
chrimata ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:48:39 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Thanks! I think I just got to the party too late. Did you know she's the voice of the ships too?
SixInchesAtATime ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:56:37 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yep, and also Roddenberry's last wife. Someday I'll have a fully automated house with her voice as the interface.
chrimata ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:45:20 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ever watch The Boondocks? For some reason your comment made me think of the doorbell girl in this clip:
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xagqi1_thugnificent-crib_fun
Caddy666 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:18:12 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
joffrey
Benlammah ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:24:25 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Dolores Umbridge. So sweet she makes you want to choke.
Borg-Man ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:37:33 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Navi.
No. I don't want to listen you little cunt of a faeri. I heard you the first tiSHUT UP GODDAMNIT!!!
Hardin_of_Akaneia ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:25:31 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Fi is worse.
Borg-Man ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:53:23 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hmm, I don't entirely agree. Fi only showed up after rebooting and I feel that they did a better job on her than they did with HEY! LISTEN! HEY! HEY!
Urrgh...
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:49:18 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Godzilla Jr. and Wesley Crusher
SexuallyObliviousGuy ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:55:52 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Probably too late, but Kai Wynn from Deep Space Nine. Fucking evil, ruthless bitch. No redeeming aspects at all.
buddhistbulgyo ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:09:05 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Bella. Twilight.
TrainerBlack2 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:11:29 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yuuki Terumi of Blazblue, both in-universe and out.
Though to be fair, that's both the point and how the fucker manages to keep living.
margarine_of_evil ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:08:38 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Fucking YES.
I would have said Bang Shishigami as well, but Hazama/Terumi are both annoying and evil
slapuwithafish ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:15:04 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Wheelie from Transformers Generation 1.
BustinMakesMeFeelMeh ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:15:10 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Caillou
countrymedic90 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:28:46 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Dolores Jane Umbridge. That pink woman is Satan and most people in the Harry Potter fandom will agree she's worse than Voldemort in the movies
xBi11 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:42:28 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You loose nerd points for saying "in the movie"
countrymedic90 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:59:45 on January 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I meant the books portray Voldemort much better than the movies do. They are both awful but Voldemort was much more terrifying (at least to me) in the books. Umbridge was satanic and tortured kids while still trying to have this sweet and innocent demeanor about her and I hate her too.
viserov ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:34:54 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Neelix
Limberine ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:42:36 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Good natured git.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:36:06 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Joffrey Baratheon
LetsGetRapey ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:40:31 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
does Yoko Ono count?
titticut_warrendale ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:44:10 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Nermal.
whaleplushie ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:49:14 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Billy Mitchell
also that dumb hair of his
iamianyouarenot ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:21:37 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Fuck that guy 10x over.
MikeRat ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:50:17 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I personally love CL4PTRAP from Borderlands but I know that he rubs a lot of people the wrong way. Dude does the robot better than anyone else imo.
Shadow_XG ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:37:39 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
man when you're doing multiple play throughs it gets incredibly grating
pud_ ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:00:50 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Its seems like people just hate characters for being like real people with feelings and insecurities
StayFrostyIcebrgSlim ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 00:04:41 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Because whiney emotional fucks aren't entertaining.
Illier1 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 00:23:43 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So everyone should be perfect and flawless. Characters will insecurity are made to make sure you know the real heroes are and why the are better.
StayFrostyIcebrgSlim ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:40:35 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No. Not being whiney and insecure to does not make them perfect or flawless. Take Tom hank's role in Saving Private Ryan. He was confident, pragmatic, a leader even though he was suffering from severe psychological damage done by the war, and didn't let emotion get in the way of what he needed to do. Was he perfect? Definitely not, he didn't agree with his mission, he almost let two of his men shoot each other, and at least one of his men was killed because of his orders.
People like characters who have feelings but don't constantly whine about them like some sort of shitty soap opera
sfdud ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:14:44 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He was a Hardy boy in that movie...
chuiu ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:07:40 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Tornado Shanks in Sealab 2021. After Harry Goz died in 2003 they had to replace his character (Captain Murphy) in the show with another. The new character ended up not being funny and the show ended up being cancelled after people stopped watching.
ArkBirdFTW ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:08:48 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Moira Brown
Tried to kill me indirectly several times.
7456396541 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:10:00 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Chibi-usa?
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:15:54 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I really did not like Clair Bennet and Saresh in Heroes
fiatsofwill ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:18:19 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ken Kratz
paddirn ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:22:01 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Whoever the hell those people are in Big Bang Theory
EOD_Wolfey ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:25:32 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Fargoth.
acm2033 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:25:58 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Wesley Crusher.
At least, back when the show was current, he was disliked by some.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:28:11 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Big Stupid Jellyfish from Mass Effect
...that or Ashley Williams/Kaiden Alenko
Can never decide which to drop on their asses.
MrHorseHead ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:34:08 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Trump?
OverHaze ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:38:10 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If you count wrestling as nerd culture then John Cena character (most people like John Cena the man)
oiger ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:43:56 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
OP
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:47:05 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
[deleted]
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:59:36 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
ALL GLORY
laportez ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:56:32 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The replacement for Naevia in season 3 of Spartacus. I remember just praying to god she would get killed in brutal fashion.
wiseoldtabbycat ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:57:47 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't know if she's universally hated but I haven't enjoyed having Yuffie in my FF7 party much. She's a bit of a dick - rude and disrespectful to villagers who tell us their stories and taking all our materia without apology was a bit of a piss-take.
Not a massive fan of Cait Sith either but I don't think that backstabber's really meant to be too likable...
tearlock ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:58:54 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Navi from The Legend of Zelda - The Ocarina of Time.
RedCanada ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:03:34 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Minmei from Robotech.
porkyminch ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:31:53 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Watch the original.
glyntw ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:07:06 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The try hard voice of Christian Bale doing the new batman films.
hmscoachhardin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:43:52 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Wait until Affleck tries.
Benlammah ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:11:27 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Nana Na Nana! https://www.tumblr.com/search/nanananana-heheheh
Dunnojustletmein ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:19:26 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Him and that motherfucking Moneybags.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:14:29 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
There are surprisingly few universally-loathed characters like Jar Jar.
But there are characters that are hated within specific fandoms. Dr. Pulaski is seen as an irrelevant interloper in Star Trek TNG. Riley is despised among Buffy fans. Seven is held in contempt among fans of Married...With Children.
pcyr9999 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:32:29 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The Pokemon that pop up in caves every two feet because you're too stingy to use a repel.
I still have nightmares.
Merckseys ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:38:59 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The owl from ocarina of time of course.
tnt6656 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:13:29 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Are you sure you don't want me to repeat my whole 5 minute long speech?
yes
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:14:54 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Kaepora Gaebora makes me despise all owl characters
rocketwrench ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:53:57 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That autist Sheldon on Big Bang Theory. Motherfucker pretends to be a nerd, but I'm pretty sure he spent 10 minutes debating between ps4 and xbox to his gf. If that fucker were a real nerd he'd build a PC.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:11:46 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Huey.
rakereha ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:16:27 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
a gamer with a fedora
RustlinUpSomeJimmies ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:30:34 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The Great Gazoo?
Sort of an old reference, but I think it checks out.
Knewonce ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:42:06 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
SJWs
gf3 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:59:38 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Richard Dawkins
lastdonutofthe ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:18:53 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I know you said nerd culture but my hate for Janice in the sopranos is so real I had to write about it here
LuxoriousMoustache ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:22:38 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't know about nerd culture, but the kid from Home Alone should be thrown out a window.
ASIMAUVE ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:24:08 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Neelix in Voyager ...
TONKAHANAH ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:25:15 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
no peggy hill?
i guess thats not really nerd culture but fuck peggy hill
metallica123446 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:49:54 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Seriously she needs to jump off of a cliff, and you know what she probably would.
HaikuSeminar ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:45:22 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Gonna go with Tom Bombadil, although personally this post was genius http://km-515.livejournal.com/1042.html
metallica123446 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:50:15 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Peggy Hill in King of the Hill
sd51223 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:51:26 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Mayor MacCreedy
Invader-grr ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:00:50 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This probably isn't a big one but I really don't like the character played by Lucy Lawless in "Ash vs Evil Dead". She is just way too "look at me I'm a badass character" with the leather jacket and the muscle car and the ninja skills and the lack of expression.
Unexpected_Artist ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:25:09 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I didn't mind the nude scene though. I may have had a teenage crush on Xena
RancidLemons ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:10:48 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Lemongrab. Screaming isn't funny, AT writers!
Shadow_XG ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:38:33 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
is that show any good right now?
RancidLemons ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:34:50 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I haven't watched for a while out of sheer lack of time. The Lemonhope episode seems like the logical conclusion of the single annoying character so it must be good from there.
Later seasons tend to veer away from Finn and Jake which is a real shame since their interactions and adventures are what hooked me. They also try a little too hard to add to the backstory; they cleared up what Susan is, they showed how Jake got his powers, there's even an episode on how B-MO was made. Maybe it's just me but I liked the more ambiguous parts of the show.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:16:01 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Nazeem and the children in Skyrim.
AnotherDoWandererYouHereGoToToLickTheMyCloudFather'sDistrictBootsVeryGoodOften?Job.
t-- ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:25:41 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
me-sa thinks jar jar the bestest
7LeagueBoots ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:26:16 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If Kylo Ren keeps flipping out and acting like a baby he has an opportunity to join the list of hated characters.
catbingo ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:26:18 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Navi the fairy from Zelda: Ocarina of Time. Also, the damn owl from that game.
FINDTHECOMPUTERROOM ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:27:00 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
DIO Brando.
SlicedBreeze ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:33:04 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Fucking Shinji
margarine_of_evil ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:14:28 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Are we talking Evangelion Shinji or Fate-Series Shinji?
Because both get my vote.
SlicedBreeze ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 09:25:55 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yes.
BeastOfCircumstance ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:33:34 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Sasuke Uchiha
paultokes ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:40:15 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Fuck Tammy
gopher_moat ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:49:50 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Sometimes I doubt your commitment to Sparkle Motion!
shroomsofdoom ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:50:56 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Walder Frey.
jah05r ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:51:11 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Cait Sith
Zarana85 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:01:41 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hayden Christensen's Anakin
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:23:45 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Janice from accounting
NerdTronJJ ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:31:37 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Uwe Boll
FlowstateFluid ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:36:13 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Skylar from Breaking Bad.
She fucked Ted.
mistergeeky ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:36:32 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Troi. "I am sensing....strong emotions."
Yes, thanks for the non-information. Yeesh.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:43:46 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Oddjob from 007 Nintendo 64
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:45:17 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Teen moms
jmpintoramos ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:52:53 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't know about the rest of the people, but I find Leonard from TBBT fucking annoying. Not sure he's "universally hated", but I sure hate that character.
Ye_Olde_Mudder ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:54:55 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Robotech : Lynn Minmei
Oh. My. God. Will. You. Please. SHUT. UP!
Thankfully, our hero dumps her for Lisa Hayes. Good choice on her part. Lynn is useless and Lisa is... well... Admiral material.
estyll11 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:08:34 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If you include wrestling, Roman Reigns has his detractors. However, I enjoy him.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:09:06 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
When jar-jar was introduced, I said, "fuck this and did not watch another Star Wars," this new one comes out and i ask,"will some writer-animator come up wait a new Jar-jar tofu sw's"
Angrypudding84 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:15:20 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Krillin from Dragonball Z : 90% of his screen time - "Goku! Aaaaahhhhh!!! (Dramatic gasping) most useless piece of shit ever with his fucking destructo disk bullshit that he uses in like 1 episode. Literally the rest of the time he just stands around gasping. When he grows hair later it's the worst. I'm so happy when FrieZa blows his ass up. Less gasping
pandasforkarma ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:20:20 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Fucking Dana, Homeland.
murderhuman ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:33:56 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
apparently homeland is nerdy somehow
pandasforkarma ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 06:43:46 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
apparently someone has a massive stick up their butt
DatNewbChemist ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:39:26 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Raiden in Metal Gear Solid 2. Snake. Everyone just wanted to play as Snake.
(I mean, come on! The first words out of his mouth are practically "Wha-what!? There are hostiles here??? I was told it'd be a simple mission without combatants!")
SatelliteofLouvre ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:42:59 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Jaden Yuki
Dent_Arthurdent ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:44:32 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Jackovasaur from South Park
CptSeaCow ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:53:31 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Suzaku Kururugi I've never met anyone who enjoyed Code Geass that liked his character, either masterfully crafted to be hated or just terribly written I'm not sure myself.
Soy_Filipo ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:08:37 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Im sorry but the princess is in another castle... That guy!
Theguythatsungthat ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:31:38 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That was Toadstool.
hmb27 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:15:54 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Tubbs.
Enigma1959 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:17:17 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Dolores Umbridge, from Harry Potter's world. We hated her more than even Voldemort.
benendeto ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:19:30 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Navi from The Legend of Zelda: The Ocarina of Time
nightloner ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:25:55 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Navi was cool , besides the constant hey listen bullshit
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:20:43 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That little incest-bastard Joffery. Fuck that whiny bitch. The Tyrion slapfest was one of the most satisfying scenes in TV history. Props to Jack Gleeson for making him so hateable.
VonIsengard ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:22:55 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The Sand Snakes. They were cool. Now I never want to see them and their bad poosis ever again.
magimon02 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:27:46 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Matt ward
Plagued_by_Diarrhea ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:33:16 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Scrappy Doo.
knot_ginger ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:34:22 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
She may not be universally hated, but Gwen Cooper from Torchwood. A genuinely awful character with no real redeeming qualities that I could ever see.
PicklesBC ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:40:48 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Goddamed Navi from Ocarina of Time.
HEY LOOK LISTEN HEY LOOK LISTEN HEY HEY HEY
bawbness ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:50:08 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Wesley Crusher
funny how popular Whil Wheaton has gotten after that start :D
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:54:00 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Recker! RECKER! RECK!
Better_Buff_Junglers ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 08:00:19 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Fucking Clap-Trap
VarioussiteTARDISES ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:45:01 on January 4, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
But... I liked him...
DawnKit ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 08:09:52 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Delores Umbridge made my blood boil.
snozberry_ ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 08:22:26 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
that bitch trudy beekman
amazor195 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 08:32:37 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Navi. God i hate that blue shit.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 08:37:26 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Am I the only person in the galaxy that fucking likes Darth Darth Binks
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 08:37:58 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Brown coats universally hate fox television.
Kennefff ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 08:42:58 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Jerry. Let's fuckin ditch this guy.
happily_smiles ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 08:45:27 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's about it. In Revenge i hated him the least. ..
great-granny-jessie ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 09:22:54 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The Fel Reaper in World of Warcraft.
Always stomping around the desert and somehow sneaking up on people anyway.
Esarel ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 09:52:15 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Slaine
Source: /r/anime and /r/fuckslaine
Fr1endy ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 10:15:37 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Fox - those fuckers have a bad habit of cancelling good shows!
Eldis_ ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 11:28:33 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Umbridge
starlit_moon ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 12:08:29 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Harry Kim from Voyager. I hate how he is always falling in loooove with women he's just met. I really, really hate him in that episode where he falls in love with a girl and has sex with her and gives Janeway this incredibly cringe-worthy speech about falling in love and says "Have your cheeks ever flushed?" she was ENGAGED when Voyager left Earth Harry. She knows how it feels like to be in love. You're being a dick. And he's so whiny always complaining about being an ensign and not being promoted. "I might be a lieutenant commander by now!" He acts like a child. Seriously Janeway should've spanked him on the ass.
beeeel ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 12:45:37 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
League of legends players.
SecretlyPig ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 12:59:47 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Sure it's here somewhere already but Sticky from fallout 3.
thismadhatter ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:12:27 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Armin Arlert
NihilismPlus ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:20:29 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hitler
Knigar ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:35:27 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
jared fogle
awe300 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:48:26 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That big bang theory character
andrewdok ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:52:15 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Imo, Sephiroth from FF7. I'll never forgive him.
Dwaynedibley24601 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:01:12 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
WESLEY CRUSHER
dk1701 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:14:33 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Here's the one I was looking for! Knew it would be on this list somewhere!
headexpl0dy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:52:52 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Shut up Wesley!
driveonacid ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:50:08 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Walder Frey. Ramsay (Snow) Bolton. Joffrey
LannisterBaratheon.[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:54:08 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Skylar White
angyal168 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:07:29 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hayden Christianson as anakin.... Never seen a man destroy a Jedi so completely
prof0ak ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:59:26 on January 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Gary oak
reversEngineer ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:25:37 on January 7, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Sheldon, and anybody else on that terrible show.
African_Farmer ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 20:08:03 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ted Mosby
twlscil ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:26:51 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
not nerd culture.
aluria ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 16:52:56 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Scrappy Doo
Chucktayz ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 18:09:03 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Scrappy
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 21:23:05 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Preston Garvey, hell he even raped someone
SmileyGuy32 ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 16:33:01 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Mary Watson from Sherlock
glowytiger ยท 23 points ยท Posted at 17:27:42 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Why does everyone hate Mary? I like her.
Cockwombles ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 18:46:47 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
She's supposed to be a minor character in the books, but because nepotism as she's watsons wife irl, they are trying to make her the third wheel.
RQK1996 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:02:56 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
actually the Moff just cast her when watching the season 2 finale with the main cast and writers
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 21:20:52 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I liked her when she was just Mary, you know? Not fucking jason bourne.
the_fredblubby ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 18:52:53 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Same, she's not useless, but not Sherlock 2, and she adds a nice depth to Watson himself.
Kayotica22 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:22:07 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah I don't see a problem with her either, and John's gripping moment of realizing he subconsciously seeks out high functioning sociopaths was a really good scene. She was introduced maybe a little too early to become a main character though, but I still love her.
talkingtoilet ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:10:22 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I like her! Plus she drove the plot forward beautifully.
KMan94 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:12:35 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I thought she was fine in the role as well. Would have liked to see more.
go_team_venture_ ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 05:28:19 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This is super late, but a lot of people on tumblr were super into Holmes and Watson being gay for each other and Amanda Abbington got a couple death threats via Twitter because her character ruined their weird fetishy fuck fantasies.
ycnz ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 19:05:50 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, huge fan. Way better than her husband.
BookerDeWittsCarbine ยท -6 points ยท Posted at 17:05:26 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So fucking true. Moffat, you motherfucker. You just can't let us have nice things, can you?
pykrete_golem ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 19:25:44 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
George Lucas. Does he count as a character here?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:38:12 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well he created two of the biggest franchises in cinema, so I wouldn't say he's hated.
devilsephiroth ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:45:29 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
/r/fuckchuck
calamity_joe ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:50:03 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Cait Sith
rg90184 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:11:29 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I love Reeve
backfatt ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:57:44 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This is the only answer where I saw it and said ohhh I hate that motherfucker
Bamboo_Steamer ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:38:07 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Currently playing through FF7 again. I hated Cait Sith first time through. This time I've found him one of the best characters to level up materia with and a good character to play.
Despite his questionable motives
dunzoes ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:47:42 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I agree I'm playing through it again also, he used to annoy the shit out of me but I feel like he's going to be a much more interesting character in the remake. He's a high level Shinra employee fed up with Gyahahaha and Kyahahahs bulllshit so he starts communicating and planning with a group of individuals with not only a grudge against Shinra but they are directly responsible for stopping their plans every step of the way only because of Cait Siths information.
ItsSlaughterTime92 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:52:49 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Is Lord Denethor from lotr on here? I think he's pretty hated.
kingfrito_5005 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 20:09:32 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Or if you've never read the book s. In the movies he is just a douche in the books he's more tragic.
EDIT: Fixing autocorrect mistakes from my phone.
karafrakinthrace ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:18:23 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah the movies make him seem more douchey than the books did.
CheddarJalapeno ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:50:44 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Football nerds hated Dennis Miller on Monday Night Football.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 23:38:19 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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twlscil ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:28:44 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No, he was horrible. Stopped being funny way before being on MNF
AlienMutantRobotDog ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 21:26:36 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not sure it counts but every human in the Transformers movies. The parents are the worst
slapuwithafish ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:13:56 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
the mother especially. I so wanted a robot to step on her
ColdSteelRain ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 23:08:19 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Luwaxanna Troi and Deanna Troi. Holy fucking jesus what the fuck is wrong with these women? Probably like the one thing my girlfriend and I vehemently disagree on is she loves Deanna Troi and thinks she's an incredibly important character and I can't stand her and point out how all the Troi centric episodes just suck. Anything with her mother in it I just skip or change the channel on.
greevous00 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:43:35 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Amen brother.
Jokesonyounow ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:51:47 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't hate JarJar Binks and I liked the prequels. Am I weird?
sfdud ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:11:34 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Nope.
snarlingpanda ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:53:12 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yes
TheDreadedThirdPluto ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:12:54 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Vala SG-1... She really ruined a LOT of that show for me.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:32:54 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Sheldon Cooper.
caseyd1020 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:40:00 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Tasha Yar, no beard Riker and pre-pony tail worf.
bjt23 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:33:30 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Tasha was hot you're wrong
Imajica0921 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:46:09 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well, that there is a perfect trifecta. Hats off to you. Nicely done.
Knittingpasta ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 05:50:07 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Umbrage in Harry Potter.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 05:52:46 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hated for the complete opposite reason of Jar Jar. Umbrage is such a fantastic character because how much JK made you hate her. I hated her more than Voldemort I think. People hate Jar Jar because he is just a terrible terrible character
MrAlwaysIncorrect ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 11:13:37 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
River Song
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 22:16:13 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I fucking Love JarJar. How dare you op.
(Raises flame shield)
Come at me bro.
skintay12 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:34:32 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I kinda like Jar-Jar
Ratagar ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:41:52 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
As a response from another universe. caption
SuperCrusader ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:12:13 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Grab your pitchforks and kill that sinner!
Imperium_Dragon ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 20:08:45 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No, you didn't.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:57:16 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
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kperkins1982 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:53:28 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Gotta disagree
What was Star Trek before him?
I mean, I'm a pretty big fan, and have watched the movies more times than I can count (and for some of them, more times than they deserve)
but after a long time of Star Trek not even being relevant, he brought it back with a bang
What in particular do you have against him?
DR_MEESEEKS_PHD ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:18:45 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Jack Thompson
GoliathTCB ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:58:37 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Does your account cease to exist after you've posted a comment? If not, and if you've got some extra time, I could use some help getting a couple of strokes off my golf game.
DR_MEESEEKS_PHD ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 18:00:56 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Reddit accounts aren't supposed to last this long, im waiting for the sweet release of death
UncleTogie ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:05:36 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"Clippy".
'nough said.
Deerscicle ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 21:14:24 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
For me, it's whatever character says the phrase "nerd culture".
That phrase makes me want to punch an OP.
ShadowBannned ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:56:20 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Wesley fucking Crusher.
suck it /u/wil
weltallic ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:02:14 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Wil Wheaton.
The only people who think he's popular are the same people who say "You must watch Big Bang Theory! You'll really like it!"
mikepictor ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:42:53 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He's not a character...but he is VERY popular in nerd culture. YOU may not like him, but that's not the OP's question.
Dancing_Cthulhu ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:19:12 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I found him (again, I guess) through Tabletop, and I generally like him.
Really don't like Big Bang Theory
N0ahface ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:59:54 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Fucking Olly from Game of Thrones that little bitch
Imshorterthanyou ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:22:35 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Remember Charlize Theron's part in Arrested Development as a walking mentally disabled joke, minus the funny? Yeah, that.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:46:37 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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greevous00 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:37:45 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
OMG yes. It's like "Oh, we've kind of gotten rid of that annoying Wesley character, but something seems missing.... I KNOW, let's create a spoiled Klingon version of Wesley!!"
BCJunglist ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:58:35 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Aquaman is up there
Batmansbatarang ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:25:50 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Roman. No I don't want to bowl with you.
TeamRedundancyTeam ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:13:21 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
A lot of people don't know what is included in nerd culture apparently.
Ixidor89 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:38:52 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Scrappy-Doo.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:27:20 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:45:36 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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hmscoachhardin ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:47:56 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Read his backstory and the future in the extended universe with him. That may change your mind with Chewie. It did with me.
Dancing_Cthulhu ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:52:29 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Indeed, and there's an obvious rapport between them.
Jar Jar was typical over the top comic relief in an effort to inject humor into the film. Han & Chewie provided some of the humor from the originals, but it was usually in the form of amusing banter between old friends, which generally feels more natural.
bpoag ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:02:46 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Anyone from The Big Bang theory..
It's nerd blackface.
Galbert123 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:30:29 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Dolores umbridge
DonofKingCakes ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:36:25 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Wesley Crusher
TessTobias ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:15:56 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Professor Umbridge
RedPixxel ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:19:18 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I like Jar Jar
PeterChance ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:41:02 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You might not count this as "nerd culture," but Dolores Umbridge
Thisbestbegood ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:44:56 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Umbridge.
Why is this not the top answer?
A_bit_ginger ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:00:38 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Umbridge.
ordinarybagel ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:04:28 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Umbridge
ryancaa ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:14:01 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The cast of Big Bang Theory
Sexual_T-rexual ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:41:38 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Kaidan Alenko
hatillathenun ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:49:40 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
THAT FUCKER THAT FOLLOWS AROUND THE MASTER IN THE HOBBIT, ITS MEANT TO BE FUNNY BUT I WANA PUNCH THE DIRECTOR IN THE FACE.
ThePenskeFile ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 09:00:18 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Skyler White
goofball_jones ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 12:30:37 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Jar-Jar.
He's hated so much that it folds back in on itself and he becomes the second most hated too. THAT'S how much he's hated.
just_to_annoy_you ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:34:04 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The entire pokemon universe. I've never found anything so annoying as the fact the only sounds they make are derivatives of their names.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:36:24 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 21:19:28 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"Charmander, I choose you!"
"The flames will purge the filthy, and the world will be reborn in a baptism of fire!"
"...Is it too late to choose Squirtle?"
mundisj ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:14:27 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Neelix from Star Trek Voyager.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:24:00 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Han Solo's son
hmscoachhardin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:42:03 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Both of them.
BlearySteve ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:38:21 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ewoks.
a2intl ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:41:15 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Wesley Crusher
RafeHaab ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 16:14:49 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The ponies in my little pony friendship is magic.
mikepictor ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 01:40:40 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No, they are asking about the hated characters, not the almost universally loved ones.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 09:41:49 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You underestimate how many autistic man-children there are on Reddit
ScottSierra ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:54:13 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I always lol at the idea that, because the creators intended a target audience as kids, adults can't enjoy it. Oh, wait, adults watch Spongebob and don't get hated for it.
...oh, wait. My Little Pony was made for girls. GIRLS. So of course adult men can't watch that.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:51:42 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Grow up you retard
ScottSierra ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:12:47 on January 4, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
I'm being rather sarcastic, but I'm quite serious. I find the idea patently ridiculous that adults can't enjoy whatever the fuck they want to enjoy. If an adult enjoys reading "The Very Hungry Caterpillar," why does any other adult get to say that that's not acceptable for a person to do? Why does any person have any degree of authority when they say what amounts to, "Quit liking things I think are stupid"?
I particularly enjoy this (fairly well-known) quote by C. S. Lewis. The last sentence is often quoted alone, but the entire paragraph is better together: "Critics who treat 'adult' as a term of approval, instead of as a merely descriptive term, cannot be adult themselves. To be concerned about being grown up, to admire the grown up because it is grown up, to blush at the suspicion of being childish; these things are the marks of childhood and adolescence. And in childhood and adolescence they are, in moderation, healthy symptoms. Young things ought to want to grow. But to carry on into middle life or even into early manhood this concern about being adult is a mark of really arrested development. When I was ten, I read fairy tales in secret and would have been ashamed if I had been found doing so. Now that I am fifty I read them openly. When I became a man I put away childish things, including the fear of childishness and the desire to be very grown up."
tl;dr: When you call out adults for liking MLP or other kid things, you're not stating some sort of profound truth about that person. You're just spouting an opinion, worth as much as any other opinion.
Foxpelt24 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:00:52 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ash from Pokemon
kingfrito_5005 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:13:23 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Seriously all the other characters are interesting g they have depth and hobby's and shit and he's just like"durhur ima be a pockiemon master with a shotton of u evolved pokemon.
vallie24 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:43:08 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Jenny
tackjakla ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:40:18 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Fucking Olly.
piugattuk ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:45:44 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Nelix.
JournalofFailure ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:46:00 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Watto.
krisburturion ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:51:14 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Scrappy Doo.
OneZombieTrain ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:54:10 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Racist lefty
Beaver_Taint ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:57:25 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Olly....the little traitor who betrayed John Snow
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:57:33 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Wesley, Wesley, Wesley (who I don't mind)
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 19:03:59 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:04:53 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I do. I don't mind him, lol
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 19:09:00 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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just_to_annoy_you ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:38:21 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think folks hate the writing around Wesley, moreso than the character himself.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:09:28 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Meh.
GoldenFredboy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:02:18 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Probably any major villain in Dragon Ball GT.
CatlikeQuickness ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:02:45 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't know how much he's universally hated, but I personally hated the guy who replaced Tank in the Matrix movies.
DraslinHDF ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:16:58 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Link? I thought Link was OK. It was the cave rave and the zion world not being a second layer of simulation that killed it for me.
Afa1234 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:11:07 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Aquaman
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:11:32 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Olly. /r/fuckOlly
NOTHESPIKEYAVENGER ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:12:02 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Probably any character from Shrek due to how much the internet has ruined that movie.
But actually Prince Charming is really annoying.
passionfate ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:13:54 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Olaf???
Anodynia ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:15:21 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Olly
timthegoat ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:18:17 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
TIL how broad nerd culture is
theballaam96 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:18:40 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Olly from Game of Thrones
There's even a subreddit about it
BadTeammates ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:19:03 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Surprised no one has mentioned Darkstar, he is of the night.
NerdGirlJess ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:19:26 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not nerd culture, but Oliver from the Brady Bunch.
tallaghtmick ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:21:36 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Neelix in Voyager, I read something a few years ago saying he was voted most annoying character in Star Trek history.
Bamboo_Steamer ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:44:26 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I always felt that title went to Harry Kim or Kes. But to be honest the whole show annoyed me. Definitely the weakest of the treks.
And yes, I thought Enterprise was better. awaits derision from Trekkies
ShadowBannned ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:13:57 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Voyager never got good.
Enterprise found its voice right around the time it ended the Temporal Cold War storyline... and then was promptly canceled.
Imagine if we only had the first three seasons of TNG.
tallaghtmick ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:48:39 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Kes was annoying at the start but I liked her as she got more powerful, and yikes Enterprise over Voyager.......You have balls good sir.
Dorkules ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:56:03 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They were all pretty bad. Maybe 10 really good episodes from all the series. Voyager was bad until seven of nine showed up.
ranscot ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:22:22 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Scrappy Doo
toesklok_noon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:24:22 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm shocked nobody mentioned Shinji from NGE yet.
Bleachi ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:25:49 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Squall Leonhart.
Undead_Artemia ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:26:13 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Jace from the MTG universe. He's so goddamn uninteresting in the lore because most of the time all he does is fill the slot of "token blue mage." Wasn't until recently that wizards actually fleshed him out so now at least he's a marry sue with an interesting backstory.
RichTea ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:27:01 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Olly
Bleachi ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:27:07 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Tidus.
Bleachi ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:27:48 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The whole cast of Final Fantasy 13. Snow, Hope, and Vanille get bonus points.
Fun fact: Vanille's accent isn't fake. Her voice actor is actually Australian.
hudshmote ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:30:14 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Didn't we just do this?...
TheDarkVictory ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:32:04 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Snarf from ThunderCats
hubblescoped ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:34:31 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
God. Damn. Snarf.
average_user_421 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:35:18 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Daredevil from Bennifer. And movie Spawn.
The creators of these films should be drawn and quartered for crimes against humanity.
Drslappybags ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:09:24 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I have not seen spawn since it came out.
Let's add steel to this list as well.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:36:04 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Barring maybe Deadpool, Ryan Reynolds. Wolverine and Green Lantern were shit. I cant wait to see Deadpool, but haven't forgotten his other films...
TheJaice ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:38:24 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Batman with the nipple suit.
SteakSauceAltoSax ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:38:24 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Liquidator Brunt and Kai Winn from DS9
GeraldBWilsonJr ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:40:19 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Fucking Eric from Tony Hawk's Underground
skybrew ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:42:22 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Michael Bay
Imagine_Penguins ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:44:10 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not really hated, they are part of the movie and story
thurawer ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:44:40 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Fuck you Ronaldo. The gems don't need your shit.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:22:20 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
B-but... What about the Sneaple?
GoldenWizard ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:45:03 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Draco Malfoy? Lucius Malfoy? Bellatrix Lestrange perhaps?
SweetnShibby ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:18:57 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Dolores Umbridge?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:46:05 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Preston Garvey is pretty universally hated by anyone whose played fallout 4. While you're pondering that I've got a settlement that needs your help. I'll mark it on your map.
dmso_hue ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:48:21 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Chuck McGill. Fuck Chuck
Rundownturtle ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:50:21 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Robyn from Jessica Jones.
sloaches ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:51:32 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Neelix from Star Trek: Voyager.
Come to think of it, Voyager itself is pretty well hated.
DanneMM ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:01:47 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Though it had some pretty massive shoes to fill.
anonymous_rhombus ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:09:18 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I was so ready to hate Voyager and I ended up loving it. Even that wacky all-day-morning-person Neelix.
KingQuantic ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:53:02 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Fuck you Teemo.
BABarracus ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:57:32 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Flay Alister
ottwrights ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:58:16 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm going to take a stab and say Chevy Chase, specifically as Pierce Hawthorn in Community. Not only was his role half-assed executed, but he was a pain to the cast and crew.
CptnAwkwrd ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:58:55 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Krillin. For some reason he is hated but not Yamcha. Yamcha is the most useless person. Ever.
asumires ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:59:14 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Professor Umbridge sure sucks from Harry Potter
Lord_Vectron ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:02:15 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Techies.
RealityCh3k ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:02:39 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Sasuke
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:02:59 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Show Stannis
TheGodDemon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:03:52 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Dorothea Omber
jeffseadot ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:04:23 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Jace Beleren from Magic the Gathering is generally disliked. People say he's a Gary Stu for the game's target audience of nerds, and that he's less "cold, aloof genius telepath" (as apparently intended) and more "snotty kid who needs to be put in his place already." Also, he gets more story arcs and face time than the other characters, and is the semi-official mascot of the game, so he's hard to avoid.
meinherzbrennt42 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:05:00 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Delores Umbridge
I_AM_A_MOTH_AMA ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:05:25 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Teemo.
Dumebuggy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:07:55 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Dan Slott
loritree ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:09:26 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Minerva, Inspector Space Time. She britta-ed that season.
Scrimshire ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:15:40 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Squirrel Girl. Transformed from an amusing and interesting one-off character to a Mary Sue/pet character of epic proportions. Can literally beat any Marvel Comics antagonist, including Galactus....as long as it's off-panel, so that the writers can just state how great she is and not actually have to do the work of explaining how a teenaged girl with nothing but enhanced agility, claws, a tail and the ability to talk to squirrels to her name can defeat beings that the Avengers, FF, X-Men, etc., have trouble dealing with.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:17:01 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Deadpool for some people
theone1819 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:17:07 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Jack Marston (his dad, John, on the other hand...)
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:19:16 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
joker
warpfield ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:19:52 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
i was hoping wesley crusher was on the show so he could be tossed out an airlock, and getting stabbed from behind was cool, but then he kept hanging around. :(
NotARockstarMod ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:20:17 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Nicholas /r/fucknicholas
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:20:55 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Matt Damon
JimHadar ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:23:13 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Godzooky.
ButterflyAttack ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:23:35 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Morph's mate on Tony Hart.
Redhot69 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:24:27 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Techies
arghnard ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:25:00 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Balloon Boy - FNAF 2
brotherjonathan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:26:36 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ewoks
lerouke ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:33:27 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Dr Silberman
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:33:44 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ewoks. Also Nelix from Voyager.
Kaktus_Kontrafaktus ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:36:11 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
OP's mom
SaintPoost ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:39:34 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Resetti from Animal Crossing is pretty high on the scale for me.
Emene ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:40:50 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Jim, from the book Lord Jim. I hated him with a passion, and it was that hate that made me finish reading the book, even though I was disgusted by him.
y2ketchup ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:43:06 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Wolf from Ski Free
y2ketchup ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:43:52 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Oddjob in Goldeneye 64 vs.
Ginger_King ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:46:21 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Zubat (Pokemon)
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:46:56 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Biff
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:49:46 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I liked Jar-Jar :(
Ratagar ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:50:22 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Rogal Dorne. The Emperor's Praetorian is such a massive dochebag bag to everyone, but especially for what he did to Perturabo, and Konrad Curze.
Maxthetank ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:51:19 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Magic space wizard kid from mass effect 3, dumb cunt he is.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:54:17 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Arvo from the Walking Dead Telltale video game.
/r/fuckarvo
AkinParlin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:54:46 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Sniper from Dota 2
Also Techies.
Pariston ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:54:54 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Spandam. You can't not hate Spandam.
TheGrandMaestro ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:57:38 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Brad Majors and Janet Weiss
thx-6947 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:06:47 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Dammit, Janet...
TheGrandMaestro ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:09:11 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I love you.
DankLiam007 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:58:38 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This tortoise lad? http://m.imgur.com/r4Efpc3.jpg
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:59:44 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Dee Dee, Dexter's Lab
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:02:13 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Game of Thrones, King Joffrey. Love to hate him though.
n0a4 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:06:28 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Pan, Dragon Ball GT.
Camwood7 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:07:30 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That dang Sparky dog from The Fairly OddParents.
bitchfacemcgeez ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:09:58 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hands down the most hated character would be Percy Wetmore from The Green Mile.
Sphartacus ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:12:39 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
A million deaths are not enough for Yueh.
tomzorzhu ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:12:48 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Shaw in Chuck.
LedZeppelin1602 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:41:41 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He was a good villain though. You were supposed to hate him
thoughts-from-alex ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:13:26 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Dawn Summers, Wesley Crusher and Adric are typically maligned amongst their fans.
Perhaps, I suppose, because they were meant to reflect the fans themselves.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:14:41 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Arvo from the Walking Dead Game
Zancrow86 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:14:42 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Mika Shimotsuki from Psycho Pass.
Boxeewally ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:18:05 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hawk The Slayer's rubbish!
bitsysredd ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:25:02 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Richard Rahl from the Sword of Truth series. The guy is boring as fuck and can't lose a fight. I wish Nathan Rahl had been the main character of the series because he was a badass, a ladies man, and had common sense.
kalas_critic ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:27:58 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Dawn in BtVS, smh.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:31:58 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Chuck from Better call Saul
Silosolo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:32:39 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Your mom
Fragmaster ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:34:17 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
For my fellow anime fans.
Fuck Rolo with a rusty pipe.
SMT_YHVH ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:15:20 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The only reason I like him is because I managed to screw everyone in a Code Geass themed mafia game as him.
pingasthrowaway ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:35:01 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Roggenrola in Pokemon. Let's take this newby-ass pokemon that you could kill in one hit 15 times over, and give them an ability that makes them impossible to ohko. Let's also make them appear every few steps you take before you even have a chance to buy repels.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:35:20 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
She hasn't been mentioned yet so she must not be UNIVERSALLY hated, but Martha, series 3 Dr Who companion. She got to see the entire universe and spent the whole time bitching about the Doctor not being in love with her. I HATED her.
SyntheticGod8 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:35:24 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If Jar-Jar is at the top of the list then Wesley Crusher and Joffery Baratheon are the next two.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:38:33 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Teemo obviously
GeorgeM-J ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:39:01 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Mr. Resetti from Animal Crossing - Stopped playing that game pretty much solely because of that shitlookin',mole-faced, long-nosed, capital letter wielding cunt.
Galveira ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:41:56 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Peggy Hill.
ThatLaggyNoob ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:42:15 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think the adoring fan from Oblivion deserves an honorable mention, he's probably died more times than the rest of everything in Oblivion combined.
LedZeppelin1602 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:42:22 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hawkeye. Nobody give a shit about Hawkeye
Ithryn- ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:32:58 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hawkeye is awesome
WizardofHogs ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:42:41 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Peggy F**ckin Hill
NexusYellow428 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:43:21 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Huey "BUT HE WANTED TOO" Emmerich
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:53:54 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Tingle.
zanderkerbal ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:54:42 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
ITT: People explaining why these characters were secretly designed to be hated.
SnippyTheDeliveryFox ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:57:03 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Superman. People either love him, or they've read Injustice and hate him with a passion.
MindlessVegetation ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:59:43 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The Latino Guy we all killed in the First ME.And then the Bitchy one well all hated in the other MEs.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:59:43 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Olly
CopernicuSagaNeilDT ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:01:17 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Tuvix.
PlagueDilopho ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:01:20 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Umbridge
m4xhasherp3s ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:03:34 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That redneck guy, in the back of every fucking major scene of Independence Day.
kabool ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:04:41 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The Sentry
Petrroll ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:05:52 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Treetrunk.
UsqueAdRisum ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:06:17 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Juju from Xenoblade Chronicles
ToastBoxx ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:09:37 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The owl from ocarina of time. Also how you kept clicking A to get to the end of his speech and then accidentally hit I want to hear it again. Most annoying part of any game ever!!
boyfromvault101 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:09:50 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Waldur Frey from GOT
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:10:11 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Why is Jar-jar so hated?
Bakkie ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:34:18 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
90snickeldeon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:10:26 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Short round.
Brio_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:10:26 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Medan. A warcraft Marty Stu.
Were-Shrrg ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:12:43 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Darcia from Wolf's Rain. ... Fuck that guy.
Batusey ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:13:40 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Doรฑa florinda, i fucking hate that bitch.
wheezymustafa ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:13:46 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What a terrible mustache
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:15:51 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Katniss Everdeen. I get it, her world sucks and she's been through some shit, but holy fuck can she go more than 5 pages without curling into a ball and crying? Also, the really lame three way love triangle that isn't really a love triangle got real old real fast. Almost as bad as the horrible present-tense, first-person narration. Can't believe I stuck it out to read all three books.
nightwolfIII ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:18:39 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
OP
englishichistnicht ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:19:57 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Liv Tyler character's father in Lord of the Rings
bitsysredd ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:46:47 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He had reasons for being a dick. Elrond is actually a half-elf you see and once he had a twin brother, Elros. His brother chose to age and die as a man while Elrond chose to live forever as an elf. Elros became the first king of Numenor and an ancestor of Aragorn. Elrond didn't want Arwen to be with Aragorn because he knew she would make the same choice as his brother and turn her back on elvenkind.
englishichistnicht ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:39:41 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So, basically, what you're saying is that my dad is always giving me shit because he does want me to make the same mistakes he did?
bitsysredd ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:35:51 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Is your father one of the elven folk? If so then yes. Elves are immune from the consequences of folly because of their fabulous hair and amazing eyebrows.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:21:15 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Don't know how broad we're going but Balloon Boy from FNAF.
Fucking hell.
Faleen ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:21:26 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Orihime Inoue. I love her but most people hate her.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:23:45 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Olly.
hassss93 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:26:15 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Lana Lang from Smallville, the show really picked up again when she left , whiny cow
ringo_pentagram ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:30:06 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Tammy
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:30:41 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Why is Jar Jar hated? I've never really understood that one.
Bakkie ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 22:32:57 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Because his body proportions, movements and speech style suggest old time subservient blacks from US entertainment context. He is seen as a negative throwback.
SwearWords ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 23:06:39 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I thought he was just annoying as shit. I didn't even read that far into it before hating Binks.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:12:03 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Dayum I guess I never considered it. I always thought he was just slow because but I can see why he's hated now.
Discipleofyams ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:31:14 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Doflamingo
darksomos ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:36:15 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
OP. It's geek culture, damn it!
L0RD_SLOTH ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:36:54 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Locke from Halo 5. I like him at least, but everyone over at /r/Halo would most likely say different.
pgabra46 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:40:48 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Slippy
babyshaker1984 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:42:27 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Alfrid Lickspittle from the Desolation of Smaug and the Battle of Five Armies. He is the Jar Jar of middle earth.
SpadeIsASpade ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:44:19 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Phoebe "back in my old school" Terese
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:44:29 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Carth Onasi/Kaidan Alenko. Voiced by the same actor, these guys get absolutely shit on. Not disagreeing at all, but honestly, I thought Ashley was a huge bitch in ME1 and left her to die on Virmire. Just saying.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:45:34 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Joffrey Baratheon.
Eazy-Aidz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:46:22 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
King Joffrey
adamrsb48 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:47:11 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Fucking Frodo Baggins. He has some serious issues, bro.
Cynical-Joker ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:48:08 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That goddamn Adoring Fan from TESV: Oblivion. My biggest fear when Skyrim was in the works is that we'd get another one like him
Iam-doriangray ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:52:24 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not OP's mom
OsmosisJonesLoL ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:52:28 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Percy the tank engine, such a whiny bitch.
An_Unfriendly_Brit ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:54:30 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The Adoring Fan from Oblivion. By the Nine Divines bugger off you little dwarf.
thisguyisbrad ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:54:45 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
I've yet to see King Geoffrey mentioned.
tetr4d ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:56:15 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I hate that I don't get a lot of these references, but I also can't be arsed to find out what shows they come from. The Less You Know!
PlayViktorForMe ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:56:44 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Jerry.
ImmaZoni ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:58:00 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Olly! Fuck Olly!
milerky2 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:58:00 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Joffery
gayrudeboys ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:00:33 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Late, but Ares from Xena.
What a big ol' bitchass.
herecomesthenightman ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:01:13 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Alfrid from Hobbit. Pointless, useless and annoying.
JonSnowInTheTardis ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:02:40 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Walder Frey
agentverne ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:03:45 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Arvo. Fuck that guy.
/r/fuckarvo
CoggzwellCoggz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:04:53 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Fucking Snarf
shawncall ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:15:47 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Snarf snarf
KyleIsJew ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:05:08 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Nurse Ratchet.
TestRedditorPleaseIg ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:05:47 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
At the moment George R. R. Martin
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:06:22 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
r/fuckarvo
hablomuchoingles ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:09:13 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Agrajag
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:10:21 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Smallville's Lana Lang
implosionotion ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:11:30 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Dolores Umbridge
MarcusVWario ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:15:06 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Rubert Murdock for canceling firefly.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:15:51 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Makalov from Fire Emblem
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:18:08 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Trash. Can. Carla.
GanjdalfDaWhiteWidow ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:24:20 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Fuck Olly.
sirbluebean ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:24:42 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Cicero... i fucking hate that jester with his stupid squeaky voice
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:25:06 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Baron Vladimir fucking Harkonnen.
Ezemy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:26:08 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't fuck with book Joffrey or tv show, but that was intentional hatred on GRRM's half.
Umlaut69 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:26:19 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
TurboMan's sidekick Booster from Jingle All The Way.
Everyone hates Booster.
MrHarryReems ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:28:09 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Probably Gail Berman.
Naphtalian ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:28:36 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Shortround
Diablo_swing ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:30:05 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Buu.
Tupperbaby ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:30:24 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Adric
Limberine ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:44:35 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
To be universally hated you'd have to be universally known. I think the percentage of nerds who know Adric well enough to hate him is pretty small. Besides he got blown up, you can't really keep hating someone who got blown up in their teens in an act of self sacrifice.
Bonanza86 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:30:43 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Earl of Lemongrab from Adventure Time. I'd appreciate it if he never spoke again.
TereziBot ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:31:43 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Olly. Fuck Olly.
burnshimself ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:31:45 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The Natalia character in the N64 Goldeneye video game. She was frequently a part of escort missions in the game and despite being an unarmed liability seemed to have a death wish whenever you encountered enemies. She was exceptionally challenging to keep alive and behaved idiotically more often than not. Everyone who played that game on N64 knows my frustration.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:32:45 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Storywise, it's easy to hate Heliod after what he did to Elspeth during Theros block.
Most people are also sick of Jace and are demanding for a new Mono Blue Walker.
Game play wise, Siege Rhino.
xxTHG_Corruptxx ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:34:20 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Probably Dr. "Huey" Emmerich if the most recent game has anything to say about it.
Conkernads ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:35:22 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Fuck Olly.
Gekon_gekon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:36:29 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That bitch from fallout 4. You know the one who always complains how shitty your setlement is. Come to think of it, her brother probably became a junkie because of her.
NotARealDeveloper ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:36:58 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Olly
Ventrii ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:38:12 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Teemo.
Communizmo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:38:49 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Peggy Hill
greym84 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:38:58 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Denna.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:39:16 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
nerds.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:39:41 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"HEY LISTEN"
serapheth ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:39:42 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's not exactly part of Nerd culture, but I'll jump on the hated-because-great-execution type of character.
The guy from Dirty Harry, the Scorpio. That film does a stupidly good job in making you hate him. Genuine 'I want to shoot that motherfucker dead right now' hatred.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:40:31 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"It looks like you're trying to write a resume"
Fuck Off CLIPY!
synnra ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:41:45 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Has anyone said Elmyra from Pinky and the Brain and Elmyra, and Tiny Toons
fishee666 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:42:33 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The owl in zelda ocarina of time n64. SAY IT AGAIN ONE MORE TIME....
bl0rk ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:46:47 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's Minmay, right?
filiptd ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:46:55 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Gale from Breaking Bad
looklistencreate ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:50:18 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Bloo from Foster's Home for Imaginary Friends. That show was wonderful in many ways. The decision to make Bloo the chief imaginary friend was the wrong one.
STFware ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:51:59 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Nobody thinking about annoying Usopp from One Piece?
Maestintaolius ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:52:54 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I always hated Tasslehoff from what I would otherwise consider a very excellent series of Dragonlance books. He was way more obnoxious than Regis ever was from the Drizzt books.
mmminteresting ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:54:52 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
TIL I'm not a nerd
Snarkycakes ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:56:00 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Orco from he-man. Nerd culture debatable. Then I wonder about controversial people like micheal Moore or Snowden
PoonaniiPirate ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:00:26 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah well I think we just need to include dexter jettser
chopo101 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:03:12 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Whitney from Pokรฉmon Gold/Silver.
lapetitsalope ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:03:32 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
But I like Jar-Jar..
homiej420 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:03:40 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I liked jar jar, i was five when i saw that movie so sue me
fragglepated ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:04:41 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Batmite.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:06:59 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Dr. Zachary Smith from the 'Lost in Space' TV show...
Dancing_Cthulhu ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:27:14 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
I actually thought he was one of the more popular characters (though perhaps in that love to hate/hate to love kind of way).
Certainly one of the more entertaining ones, especially with the Robot (whereas Don always seemed rather boring). Then again it might just be people's nostalgia I'm seeing.
PandaKadaver0 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:07:34 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Does anyone know Mayushi, the "Tuturuuuu"-girl from Steins;Gate?
She is really hard to endure
youmeanddougie ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:08:09 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Janis Soprano
HollyHomicide ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:08:27 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Just to throw one in there, Emma from The Following. I hated her so much.
hmscoachhardin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:50:00 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's what made her a great character. Everyone wanted her to die, and a lot of people tuned in waiting for the FBI's one chance to put her down.
Rookie01 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:10:13 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The current cast of SNL. They are never as good as the old cast.
UncreativeTeam ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:11:49 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If you go to /r/Arrow, then season 2+ Felicity
helmutkr ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:12:05 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
One word: waaaaaaaaaaaallt!!!!
web_head91 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:16:43 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If he's out there, you bring him in!
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:12:13 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
the overbearing mother
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:13:56 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
that little starchild piece of shit at the end of mass effect 3
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:15:45 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Slippy Toad
Naphtalian ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:16:34 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Dr. Janet Fraiser.
Ghostleader6 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:17:23 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Carlie Cooper
Bpriker ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:19:05 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Minya, aka Godzilla's son
Illier1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:19:43 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Zilla is probably hated even more :P
edwartica ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:19:54 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
your mom.
FlaminCamin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:20:25 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The grinch.
Whitefire156 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:21:12 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Toss up between the Sergeant from MW2 solely for "Aim Down Your Sights" Or the Guild Master from Fable 1 who constantly reminded me of my low health and encouraged my poor eating decisions.
For anyone who shares my hate for the guild master, in case you missed it, in Fable 2 I believe there is a book that recounts the events of the guild fire. Apparently someone who despised the master carved into his forehead the words "Your health is low"
DatNewbChemist ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:21:31 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Skyler White. She's easily the most rational, at the times the most forgiving, and even serves as a moral compass here and there, but she needs to seriously shut up and let Walter make an absurd amount of meth and ingrain himself deeper into the inner workings of regional cartels and gangs.
hmscoachhardin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:48:54 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
But she was the reason he started the whole thing.
DatNewbChemist ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:13:02 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Her and the kids, initially. But later on it becomes pretty apparent that he's not really doing it for them anymore.
Was_going_2_say_that ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:22:02 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Your title thoughtlessly stole the thunder from my argument. Good day sir.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:22:14 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not really nerd but Skylar "passive aggressive" White.
SuperSaiyanSnorlax ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:23:28 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Pan. From Dragon Ball GT
illinifan11 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:23:59 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
jack marston
nazzyc ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:25:46 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
God and Jesus.
Cause many nerds are super anti-religious.
chuckduck253 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:26:55 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Fi: Legend of Zelda Skyward Sword
Chakolatechip ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:27:39 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Gendo Ikari from neon genesis evangelion
ttboo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:27:53 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Leo Johnson from Twin Peaks.... His ponytail had a better personality.
NaughtyMallard ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:28:28 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Peggy Hill, I don't get what Hank see's in her, a loud know-it-all who rarely gets it right, Dale saw right through her shtick.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:28:59 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
People that call themselves nerds and think they're special snowflakes.
Tenocticatl ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:30:44 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Shortround in temple of doom is basically a combination of Jar Jar and kid Anakin.
DQLouise ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:35:13 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Short Round is the only reason i like that movie
brihatesyou ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:30:45 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
cait syth
justmeithink ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:31:13 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Clamps? I don't know if nerd culture does, but I do.
doyoulikemenow ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:32:11 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Shut up Wesley!
Erroneous_Rex ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:36:45 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Eric Sparrow from THUG 2.
Fuck that guy.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:36:53 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Iris from The Flash is just about as self-centered and obnoxious as a character could get, in my opinion.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:39:47 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That robot from Spacecamp, Jinx. Not only is he annoying, NASA decides it's a great idea to have an extremely literal, yet highly authorized robot just running around Kennedy Space Center. Am I the only one who has seen that movie? Guys? Guys?!?!?
Quantizeverything ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:40:30 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Tatsu
Sqiddd ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:41:55 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I like jar jar.....
TheDevilLLC ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:42:06 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
7-Zark-7
angelskiss2007 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:42:44 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Fucking Alfrid or whatever his name was in The Hobbit trilogy. Discount Greema and terrible character meant to be a funny bit but just became extremely annoying.
captain_audio ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:43:09 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Neelix from Star Trek Voyager
TheAmazingBunbury ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:48:52 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Kai Leng from Mass Effect 3. Holy shit.
hmscoachhardin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:44:55 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He was the ultimate douchebag.
Mako_Milo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:49:32 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The fifth Inspector Spacetime. The only female Inspector - no one likes her.
TheRealSilverBlade ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:49:37 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Jubilee from the 90's X-Men cartoon.
j2c2003 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:52:00 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
C'mon was jar jar really that bad?
EnterSailor ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:54:46 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
yes
j2c2003 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:09:05 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Most overly hated character ever.
EnterSailor ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:09:48 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Nah he was annoying and pointless and really fucked with the over all tone of the movies. Not only was he a bad character but he was impossible to ignore. A huge blemish on an already mediocre product
anonymous_rhombus ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:13:26 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't really think so. But I was 11 at the time, so who am I to give a critical analysis of that film?
Atheist_Simon_Haddad ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:52:09 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
OP for using "nerd"
KA1N3R ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:53:12 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Geoffrey
Thopterthallid ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:53:42 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Sheldon Cooper
glove0102 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:54:08 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Kevin
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:58:59 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
From Game Grumps?
WhitestBrownKid ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:54:48 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Shinji Ikari
Hardin_of_Akaneia ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:55:43 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That Bosmer at the beginning of Morrowind
theavatare ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:55:52 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Fuckin slippy!
0l01o1ol0 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:59:09 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
George Lucas
Sentimental_Gaijin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:01:47 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Does Jack Sparrow count? I remember watching the Black Pearl and being so surprised to be so entertained, and then watching Dead Man's Chest and being astonished that a beloved character could become so irritating so quickly. It's like the people in charge of these movies had no comprehension of what made that character so much fun. He just got worse as the series progressed. And yeah, I did watch them all, because I hate myself.
ProBananas ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:01:47 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Teemo, League of Legends
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:01:59 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Jocks
BadAsianDriver ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:03:27 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The Alpha Beta fraternity .
evdog_music ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:07:44 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think you're all forgetting someone
99twice ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:08:11 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Bradley cooper in wedding crashers
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:09:24 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hey! Listen!
winwar ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:10:03 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Makoto Itou
Nice boat.
weezer562 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:11:30 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The sith lord will not have you speak of him this way
cyncantspell ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:14:08 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Peggy Hill. I absolutely hate her, although I'm not sure that counts as nerd culture but whatever
l2daless ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:14:11 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Alexander from TNG
DoubleClickMouse ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:15:53 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Fucking Arvo. I can't wait to wrap my hands around that little shit's neck.
green_meklar ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:17:56 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
A lot of people seem to hate Nynaeve from Wheel of Time.
hillbillybuddha ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:18:03 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Chris O'Donnall as Robin...
juanes3020 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:18:52 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
DINKELBERG
hreigle ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:19:57 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
/r/fuckolly
Thelastseeder ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:20:03 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Olly from Game of Thrones
Fuck Olly
Ballentino ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:20:10 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Wesley crusher
keewa09 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:20:18 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Wesley Crusher.
surfer_ryan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:20:46 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Seriously fuck Joffery I hated him so much (spoiler) I was so happy when that little bitch died.
mcknicker ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:22:47 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
TIL nerd culture is synonymous with pop culture.
Dancing_Cthulhu ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:23:45 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Anomen from Baldur's Gate II.
Don't think I've ever heard a kind word said about him.
Buckaroo_Banzai_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:24:09 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Psycho Mantis.
Fuck you, dude.
Dunnojustletmein ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:32:37 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Lol why? That was the easiest boss fight ever.
hmscoachhardin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:41:50 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, just plug in the 2nd controller.
PM_ME_UR_RABBITS ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:26:10 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Why do people hate Jar-Jar? I thought people liked him
AwkwardAsHell ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:26:50 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Nelix, Star Trek Voyager
Schnoobs69 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:28:16 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Griffith from Berserk. I hate that motherfucker with a passion.
SMT_YHVH ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:22:07 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
But he did nothing wrong. /s
_BigmacIII ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:30:57 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Whoever thinks jar jar is stupid is
bonkersbinkers.mk2vrdrvr ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:32:02 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Lumbergh.
MakeUsWhole ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:32:42 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
DINKLEBERG!
ihateresetti ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:34:23 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Resetti from Animal Crossing...Yes! I didn't save, leave me alone now!
_mojo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:34:40 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Lauren from Lost Girl.
PunkAssGamine ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:36:23 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Duck, man. Fucking Duck. I hated that kid.
Pretty much all the other characters in The Walking Dead games are rad, though.
patospower ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:36:28 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Teemo
Trickybiz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:37:15 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
How has this not come up already. HOWARD THE DUCK! Drove me nuts and just when I thought it was dead Guardians of the galaxy had to breath some life into it.
bezrend ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:38:54 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
http://memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/Reginald_Barclay
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:40:36 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
John Kreese, Cobra Kai Sensei, The Karate Kid
hikaru_ai ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:40:37 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
TIL anything is nerdy
Taurano ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:41:44 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Depending on how you encounter them, Drow from D&D can either be interesting in a dark way or a god damn group of poison using emos with a society that wouldn't be able to exist because of the daily in-the-streets backstabbing.
Thedoctorjedi ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:43:33 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Galvatron because he killed Optimus Prime (and Megatron.)Megatron because he killed Optimus Prime, and don't give me that bullshit, Galvatron is just Megatron in new toy clothing.sk8alien3721 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:44:54 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Skylar or whatever her name is from Breaking Bad
JennyFinnDoomMessiah ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:48:22 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Westley Crusher used to be, then everyone decided to get a huge boner for Will Wheton.
l33r ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:49:03 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
For Sesame Street Nerds: Elmo
There are some Sesame Street Purist who despise Elmo for several reasons: character has high commercial success, character draws attention from other Sesame Street characters, Elmo's voice, and etc.
sophistifunk ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:49:43 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
HEY!! It's got to be Navi from Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:06:12 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Nowhere near as bad as Fi or so I heard
honeycakes ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:50:40 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Professor Umbridge from Harry Potter
whatwhatinthebutt19 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:52:02 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ruby from Max and Ruby. Everyone hates that rabbit equally.
MadokaAndBulletClub ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:52:04 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Seryu Ubiquitous or as many refer to her "Justice Bitch" from Akame Ga Kill
MindlessJamiroca ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:52:29 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Globox from Rayman always used to make me rage
mr_snipeypants ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:52:32 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
George Lucas
critfist ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:53:14 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
When did star wars become nerd culture? It was a massive cultural and commercial success from day one.
johnyrobot ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:54:44 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Deanna Trois, Weasley Crusher, Tom Paris, Harry Kim
RDiaz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:55:18 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Dolores fucking Umbridge
Super_Satchel ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:55:46 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Tingle from Majora's Mask.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:55:49 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The adoring fan
Tagrineth ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:56:41 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Wesley Crusher.
fuckin.. there were multiple times when DATA was stumped, and the pre pubescent brat casually walks up and solves the problem.
uuuuuuugh.
aussiegreenie ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:56:58 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Until a few years ago Wesley Crusher.
There was at least four news groups for Wesley Crusher die die die or variants.
Arty6060 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:57:20 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ben from The Walking Dead Game. Literal worst character.
codename9 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:57:32 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Skyler White
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:58:07 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Early Mickey Smith
tenaciousmc12 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:58:29 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Skyler from Breaking Bad. I just hate that bitch with every ounce of my being.
ayuxx ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:00:04 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Near and/or Mello.
IrishLaaaaaaaaad ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:00:49 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Nicholas from The Walking Dead. Good actor but FUCK I have never wanted a character dead quicker
Shoutout to /r/fucknicholas
Also, as of recent, Morgan.
Kogyochi ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:02:54 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Roman Reigns in WWE..
aedansblade36 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:05:12 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
KHHHHAAAAAAAAAAAAANNNNN!!
Lonewuhf ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:07:30 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Gollum
coaltrain151 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:07:52 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Poochie from the short lived itchie & scratchie and Poochie show
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:08:58 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Been waiting for thread like this for ages.
Gaius Baltar!
(Battlestar Galactica).
rabidwhale ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:08:59 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Wesley Crusher
NicePaperclip ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:10:17 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Nicholas from TWD
textonic ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:11:24 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
How has no one mentioned Guis Balter
FrostCatalyst ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:12:25 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
JACE FUCKING BELEREN. I'm sick of that smug blue emo kid.
geopirate ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:13:31 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Arrested Development s4.
Rvalldrgg ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:14:48 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
CL4P-TP/Claptrap from Borderlands.
CrunchyPB_313 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:15:36 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Fucking Tammy
LarryChavez ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:16:04 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Kevin French.
TonySoprano420 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:21:19 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Joffrey Baratheon
yyttvvww ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:23:25 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Navi.
thrakayouface ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:26:51 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Wesley Crusher
Tokyo__Drifter ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:27:19 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tUGdBoSYQeI
ScalderaIsSexy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:28:03 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Navi?
I looked but nope, no mention of the little annoying fairy. Fuck.
Djrobl ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:30:36 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Joe who was Steve's brother in Blues Clues....
WeHateSand ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:31:34 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Wesley?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:32:16 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Lamarr
anooblol ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:32:27 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
/r/fuckolly
hillard429 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:40:06 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Riley in BtVS
JohnnyCandles ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:42:35 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Marie, Hank's wife in Breaking Bad.
ragecomics64 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:46:46 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Joffery
Datmuemue ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:46:47 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
well, im a nerd, but my most hated character actually comes from a not so nerdy show; Breaking Bad. i fucking hate his wife so much i wont fucking say her name.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:48:23 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Foggy from Daredevil
TeddyV ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:48:57 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
FUCK YOU YUFFIE!!! Materia stealing bitch!!! I hope your country goes down in flames, Most useless character EVER.
ahremaki ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:49:41 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Jesus Christ
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:49:57 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I like Jar Jar, so there
leadabae ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:50:13 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Other M Samus. This woman isn't just a mechanical robot that kills aliens? She has...feelings?! The humanity!!!
PhreakOfTime ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:50:29 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Shut up Wesley!
Arrowtica ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:52:00 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Claire from The Killing. That bitch had less regard for human life than the serial killer.
Edit: Meant to say The Following
HouseTully ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:24:50 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't remember a Claire- which one is she?
Arrowtica ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:34:15 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I fucked up, I meant to say The Following
NonObeseClown ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:52:24 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
fucking agorian dock workers
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:52:58 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Skyler White. Christ woman, can you be more annoying?
WTchapman ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:53:13 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Harold Lauder .. Fuck that guy.
Skwonkie_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:54:27 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What about cersei Lannister? I've seen Ramsey and Joffrey, and don't get me wrong I hate both those sons of bitches but cersei is just....a fucking twat.
trombonerchick ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:56:58 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Gollum was pretty shitty
RidleytheScott ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:59:00 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Alfred from The Hobbit movies. At least Jar Jar helped the good guys win. Alfred had zero reason to be onscreen.
holler_kitty ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:00:00 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Kai Leng from mass effect
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:00:58 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Carth in kotor.
Thomasthesexengine ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:05:22 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Will wheaton
Gil_ByrdIsTheWord ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:06:44 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Lori Grimes. Because people are stupid.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:31:32 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
[deleted]
Gil_ByrdIsTheWord ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:14:08 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't find her that annoying though.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:08:01 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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Gil_ByrdIsTheWord ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:21:46 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ok, but that's an easy case.
1- She knows the guy and it's assumed her husband is dead. Better to get with him than some other dude. 2- She's doing it to also protect her son. A guy who cares for her and Carl is not gonna be easy to find.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:50:25 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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Gil_ByrdIsTheWord ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:01:19 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Don't get me wrong I do too, but you can understand why she chose to do what she did.
The_Yar ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:06:52 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Wesley Crusher
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:07:49 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Lord Denethor II, Steward of Gondor.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:08:15 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Nicki & Paolo from LOST.
NewVegasResident ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:08:37 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Cersei Lannister.
Drak_is_Right ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:12:40 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Joffrey
Halfway_asian ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:12:48 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This is from league of legends but Teemo
DMPunk ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:13:03 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Felicia Day
Unexpected_Artist ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:29:53 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I thought she was the cookie cutter ideal geeky GF?
Firhel ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:13:07 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
HEY, LISTEN. HEY, HEY, LOOK. HEY.
jvak ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:13:35 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Will Wheaton!!!!!
CarpetMuncher785 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:13:55 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Toby Flenderson, Jerry Gergich.
blackjackandcoke88 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:14:37 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Beth from The Walking Dead.
TessTobias ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:15:11 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Wesley Crusher
sapper11d ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:15:39 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yamcha that dude is useless.
YossarianRex ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:17:29 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That fucking girl from Jurassic Park who says "it's a UNIX system!"
prettyflamazing ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:18:16 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Bulma in Dragonball.
ofei006 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:18:26 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
shinji matou
Bioman312 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:18:56 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That kid from Game of Thrones that everyone keeps complaining about
stfcfanhazz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:19:09 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Wesley Crusher.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:20:24 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Tammy
Jizzmop15 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:21:18 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Fucking Tammy. Fuck Tammy.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:21:44 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Athletes.
GoingToSimbabwe ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:24:11 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Teemo
Baby_Powder ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:24:28 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Tom Skerritt in Contact. Fuck that guy
ECUfatty ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:28:22 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Peggy Hill. HOO-YEAH!
Vegesus44 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:28:43 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Does Ronald McDonald qualify in nerd culture?
metalhead1999 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:28:56 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Jar-Jar is the shit
theniceguytroll ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:30:32 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't know about universally hated, but everyone I know hates Shinji Ikari.
despoticdanks ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:30:38 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Fucking Slaine.
metalhead1999 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:33:04 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
joffrey baratheon. I also hate mellisandre and cirice.
Sylvester_Scott ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:34:13 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Kai Winn, from Deep Space Nine.
sugarplumcow ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:34:25 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Bats. Bats in any video game. Started for me in Legend of Zelda. My eternal hatred for them has grown exponentially since. Fuck bats in video games.
VarioussiteTARDISES ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:50:04 on January 4, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
But what about Rou...
You know what, nevermind. I'm not finishing that sentence. With her figure the choice of words just makes things worse!
osgrug ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:34:31 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Eddie Gordo from tekken.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:34:40 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Otis from Dead Rising. If only that game would let me kill him again and again.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:43:52 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
God damn Heimskr. Some people need to shut the fuck up.
boombeyada ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:46:09 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
6.84 Techies
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:51:04 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Felicity from "Arrow"
coltons21 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:52:25 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
sadness from inside out. fuckin everything up
RunJumpStomp ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:57:31 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Loved sadness.
TheJonesy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:59:15 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Cyclops
sippindrank ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:10:53 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Jamie from Small Wonder
mr_saunders ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:12:16 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Shou tucker
j0m1n1n ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:13:11 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Dr. Pulaski and Ensign Ro on ST:TNG.
Unexpected_Artist ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:22:53 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
I may have had a big crush on Ro. Now that i think about it her character was bossy and difficult.
StumpyAlex ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:15:22 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Every guard in skyrim. "Aww did someone steal your sweetroll?" -_-
bee_fast ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:17:34 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hard choice between the Kaepora Gaebora and Tingle from the Zelda series
Dhrakyn ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:18:31 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Sansa Stark.
jerryape ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:18:47 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Fuck randy
PM_ME_TACOBELL ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:19:45 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Dinkleburg...
I_like_bacons ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:20:14 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not characters, but I hate the Geek Squad.
rectangularpotato ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:21:39 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I feel like this eerily specific question is sourced from a thread with 300 comments that all say Jar-Jar Binks.
ThisGaren ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:23:12 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Flareon. The false prophet.
RedCanada ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:24:04 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Nikki and Paulo on Lost.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:26:41 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Does Adrian Lamo count as a character?
baccus83 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:27:08 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Vanille
jah05r ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:52:10 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Every character in that series of FF games.
QCMBRman ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:28:20 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't know about you guys, but, Mr. Jellybean.
solman86 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:33:48 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
BZZ Pugna
amakurt ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:34:44 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Haven't seen it online, but it's a joke with all of my friends about Jason from heavy rain. what a little shit.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:36:21 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Martin Shkreli.
krista_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:37:22 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
slimer from "the real ghostbusters and slimer"
Rajirabbit ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:38:17 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
John Cena!
dantemp ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:39:12 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What, no Joefrey in the top comments? Fucking Ramsey instead? You guys forget fast.
ArMcK ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:39:14 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Fox.
Sammy_Girl21 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:39:24 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Pokey from Earthbound. What a piece of shit. His mom is a count too! She killed Buzz Buzz!
0theHumanity ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:40:35 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Jake and Lady Rainicorn's puppies :(
cvieyrablogger ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:41:31 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I loathe Bad Horse.
rocktype1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:41:44 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Cousin Oliver
allie_m_k ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:42:27 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Joffrey Baratheon. That little bitch was the worst.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:43:28 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Kimmy from Rugrats. Dill kinda made things different for me but nothing compared to Kimmy, especially the whole Rugrats in Paris movie. She just always annoyed me. Kinda like "fuck, scrappy doo is in this episode." Same deal...
tasty-fish-bits ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:45:10 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I used to hate the guy, but now for me Jar Jar is my favorite character out of any scifi movie I've seen.
Behold: The Darth Jar Jar Theory
Katpants ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:48:09 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"Wait.... Listen..."
strabley ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:49:21 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Stan Gable
hakkai999 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:49:34 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Joffrey Baratheon or should I say Lanister.
grizzmanchester ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:53:17 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Joffrey Baratheon
TheJackFroster ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:53:53 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Shortround.
QwertyLime ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:53:54 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ramsey Bolton is a pretty big shit head.
hayley_snailey ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:56:14 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Snarf from Thundercats.
HeroCC ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:56:41 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Umbridge
dossier ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:58:56 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Peggy Hill. Dunno if it's nerd culture, but it is from a cartoon soo yeah. Hate Peggy episodes, I have learned to hate them less, but I'm still not as interested as the guy-centric episodes.
DoubleHappyDog ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:00:38 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
John Cena
Rarek ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:00:51 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Wernnnnstrom!
farkelstiltson ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:03:33 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Biff
SupermanAlpha ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:06:33 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Snarf
geneom ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:07:36 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Pokemon
FunkyFarmington ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:10:43 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The CEO's of CBS and Paramount?
Dzjill ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:13:13 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Any of the Teen Titans GO! versions of characters.
TreeAndPlants ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:21:16 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
this is probably the best and only answer
MegalosZ71 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:14:53 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Alfrid Lickspittle from the Hobbit Trilogy.
Vombatt ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:16:17 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Nazeem and that preachy ass bitch in whiterun.
Oznog99 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:18:27 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I seem to recall Adric from vintage Dr. Who was pretty hated.
imsofakingwetarded ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:18:30 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Alpha - Mighty Morphin' Power Rangers.
AY YAI YAI YAI YAI! Fuck you, Alpha.
richardec ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:19:36 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Tammy. Fuck her.
Taintedhappy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:19:53 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Fuck Slaine. - aldnoah zero
chumble182 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:58:11 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This is the fourth time I've seen him on this thread. Is it worth continuing to watch Aldnoah Zero to find out why considering I got bored on Ep 8 or so?
Taintedhappy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:09:35 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Eh IMO no the ending was a letdown it will just piss you off same with S2
spicol ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:21:02 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Fucking Arvo from Telltale's Walking Dead Season 2.
mlkk22 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:21:34 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Teemo from League of Legends
TheRatedRSuperStar ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:21:55 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
XPac
UpiedYoutims ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:28:53 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Cliff racer.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:30:03 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Wesley Crusher
RobertPulson ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:38:18 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
shut up Wesley!
Aturom ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:30:21 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Guinan, that ruiner of TNG episodes
NotThtPatrickStewart ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:31:14 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Aquaman.
iMakeNoise ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:34:03 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Adam Baldwin
dirty_beans ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:34:30 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Meg from Family Guy
ButtsexEurope ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:39:59 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Umbridge.
Usakiwi ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:40:40 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Every. Character. In. Twilight.
CorBore ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:40:58 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Wesley Crusher
Moritsuma ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:41:05 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
TIL: cartoons are nerd culture
Robert_Skywalker ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:41:32 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Can someone explain to me why the Big Bang Theory is hated?
oracle3102 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:41:36 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Inspector Minerva
hammondpineapple ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:41:55 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Tauriel from The Hobbit. An awful attempt at creating a love triangle. Simply cringe-worthy. Please, Peter Jackson, don't add characters that don't need to be/shouldn't be there!!
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:42:45 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Gary from Bully by Rockstar games
ScottWarrander ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:42:46 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Fuck Navi from OOT. Most talky tutorial I've ever had to deal with.
TehCyberJunkie ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:45:01 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ollie
jello321 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:45:58 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Has no one said Dolores Umbridge?!?! Hate that lady more than Voldemort
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:54:00 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I agree I hated her more than Voldemort but that was because she was a fantastic character. JK did an excellent job in creating a character that made the reader so angry and hate filled.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:46:10 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The green rabbit from catdog
mjhszig ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:46:50 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Flo
Authiel ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:47:28 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Tauriel and Alfrid from The Hobbit.
len1nnn ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:47:49 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Wesley from star trek tng
Helium_3 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:48:06 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
General Deathshead. There's no way you can not hate him.
ANUSTART942 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:49:28 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Fargoth.
I gave him his ring then stole it back.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:52:01 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Smeagol/Golem
pureantihero ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:53:40 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I loved the Golems from Diablo 2. Used the Fire Golem all the goddamn time.
uncledahmer ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:55:39 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Rat (Level 1)
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:56:56 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
r/fuckarvo
Jarl_Ballsack ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:58:21 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm going to get so much hate..... huuhh.... Golem.
cuse656 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:58:36 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Karin
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:58:56 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
JP from grandma's Boy. So annoying!
https://youtu.be/-ltORkYAdVk
ByrdHermes55 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:02:26 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This one jerk named Johnny Guitar who wont shut up
Questhook ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:03:41 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Doc Scratch.
wiktor20 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:05:38 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
George Lucas with his edits and cgi.
dondox ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:07:23 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Due to the plural in the OP's question, most of you answered this incorrectly. I would say every single one but I'm too fucking lazy to look at the entire thread.
tjboom ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:10:01 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Professor Umbridge
Itsthetenderloin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:10:44 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Umbridge
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:11:09 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
James Hurley in twin peaks. Every episode with him was useless to the overall arc of the show.
50PercentLies ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:13:21 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Jar Jat isn't universally hated. The majority of people hate him yeah, and they hate him very, very loudly.
WhiteNitro69 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:15:04 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Any character you have to escort in any game.
hipsterdill ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:17:20 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Jar Jar Binks Sith Lord confirmed tho
ScottWellington ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:17:42 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The metal beam toward the end of Serenity.
Tentaye ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:20:13 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Dolores Umbridge.
XUtilitarianX ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:24:04 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Wesley crusher.
schockerama123 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:26:00 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
WWWWAAAAALLLLLLTTTTTT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
brawl ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:26:36 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
LYDIA. FUUUUUCKING JUST CARRY IT.
margarine_of_evil ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:26:40 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Warren fucking Vidic from Assassin's Creed. The death he got was too good for him; I wanted to stab him in the face.
SackFullOfWarsh ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:28:05 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Eunice on Mama's Family
Okidokicoki ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:32:07 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What is nerd culture?
๐๏ธ proggybreaks ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:33:57 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Broadly speaking, comic books, video games, science fiction and fantasy.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:34:26 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Angry Joe
SomeStrangeBug ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:35:03 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Fucking money bags from spyro. >> greedy jerk.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:36:06 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
People don't seem to like Tammy
Janalily ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:36:27 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Steve Urkel
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:38:23 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Goblin Techies.
kmmccaffrey ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:40:56 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Umbridge. I wanted that woman dead more than Voldemort
Stouticus ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:41:06 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Snarf.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:41:14 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Natalia in Golden Eye 64.
ndividualistic ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:41:18 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Dolores Umbridge
IndeedDT ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:44:07 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Dawn from Buffy The Vampire Slayer
whoshereforthemoney ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:45:36 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
FOX
rip firefly
ProfessorPickaxe ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:45:53 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Gleek.
Dragon_Fisting ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:57:00 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"Cousin, Let's go bowling!"
Bren926 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:01:07 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Jan
_Bucket_Of_Truth_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:01:26 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Slippy Toad.
Elder_God ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:02:51 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Uni the Unicorn from Dungeons & Dragons Animated series. She always fucked up their escape.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:07:11 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
[deleted]
Smokey0703 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:25:32 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Shinji Ikari is from Neon Genesis Evangelion, not Fate/Stay Night.
stopreplay ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:10:20 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Slaine, fuck that guy.
UUDDLRLRBAstard ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:10:52 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Fuckin' Phil. "GET ON THE HYDRA'S BACK!!" Yeah, i heard you the first 600 times, dick.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:11:38 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
WESLEY F*CKING CRUSHER
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:13:47 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Chun Li
Tadereaz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:14:15 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I loved Jar Jar :(
Coast_watcher ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:19:09 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah. "Universally hated" ? Ha !
KingTalis ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:18:53 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Darth Binks should be beloved by all.
Tuskor ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:22:02 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Escorts missions.
CarmakazieCthulhu ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:27:16 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Wesley Crusher
Mitchie-San ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:27:53 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Small part, but that damn shrunken head guy on the bus in Harry Potter... So terrible...
poophound ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:31:28 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
TINKLE from LoZ:WW. Although, I think he is the best character ever.
roseberrysauce ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:32:29 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Dolores Umbridge
superlekker ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:33:52 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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stickfiguredrawings ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:34:00 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Joffrey Baratheon. Fuck that guy.
albatross49 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:36:31 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Dunno bout you guys but I fucking hated Walt Jr. from Breaking Bad.
Bitch, your dad is trying to tell you something, FUCKING LISTEN.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:37:18 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
George lucas
GrandMasterReddit ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:38:56 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Pre-Robin Damien Wayne. Fuck that fucking entitled spoiled bitch of a kid.
youveruinedtheactgob ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:39:17 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The fucking owl in Ocarina of Time
t1f ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:45:12 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hello cousin, want to go bowling?
jordanlund ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:45:16 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Boxy and Daggett. The little kid and his raccoon robot from the original Battlestar Galactica.
barakabear ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:50:04 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
In the new hobbit films, I cannot stand Thorin Oakenshield. He is the biggest asshole in all of the movies. The other dwarves are happy-go-lucky or even tolerable, but this motherfucker takes the cake.
great-granny-jessie ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:19:35 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He had a lot on his mind.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:53:01 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
HEY! WAKE UP!
MichaelJahrling ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:53:18 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Shinji Matou.
VarioussiteTARDISES ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:45:34 on January 4, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And then HF takes it to a whole new level...
Agoonga ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:57:21 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Starchild - Mass Effect 3
superguyrye ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:59:32 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Fucking Reggie Off the Archie comics Always pissed me off I knew he was an asshole before i knew what one was.
& the head Vampire off the movie The Lost Boys Just for doing Gilmore Girls Fuck him
betterworkonthat ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:01:14 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Fuck Waluigi, specifically when playing Mario Party.
ThePope_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:06:11 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Beth from The Walking Dead. Ugh the singing.
S3nsenmann ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:08:58 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"Inquisitor!, I've something for you"
Naxster ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:16:10 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Joffrey Baratheon and the actor Jack Gleeson because he played him so well.
jaamfan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:18:29 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Fuck Slaine.
That is all
McMather ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:21:03 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I hate Zoidberg. Sooo fucking annoying and not funny at all.
The_Real_Solo_Legend ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:21:35 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
[GAME OF THRONES SPOILERS]
Fucking Oli.
manny0627 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:22:07 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Heimskr. i know this wont be seen.i just wanted to share though.
dirtyboi55 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:25:18 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Roman Bellic "Hey cousin" NO ROMAN NO!!!!! YOU STAY AWAY FROM ME YOU CANTANKEROUS BASTARD
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:49:48 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Bobby Flay
Theguythatsungthat ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:21:47 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I really don't like him. The weakest TV "chef" ever.
Smittles ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:49:59 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Christie Monteiro, button mash milktastic.
KrsmaV ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:59:10 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
r/fuckolly
Blugentoo2therevenge ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:08:31 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Minmay can die in a fire choking on her fading looks and passing fame. You're a bitch and annoying as shit, Minmay!
GoldenCrayons ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:08:49 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Wil Wheaton
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:09:56 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Snarf and Snarfer of the Thundercats.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:12:37 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Sparky from Fairly OddParents.
illlogic ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:14:53 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The yeti from ski free.
freeforming ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:17:27 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Edison
driftproject240 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:23:01 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Relena from Gundam Wing
insanelyphat ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:32:59 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Joffrey?
iam1080p ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:36:53 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
ITT: Repeat of yesterday's similar thread.
west2021 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:47:28 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Red shirts?
gonzo_33 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:48:52 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Child Gohan
carlythesniper ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:05:04 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Even though I love the guy, Thrall from Warcraft/WoW got a lot of hate in Cataclysm and it just kinda followed him through Pandaria and Warlords.
batsam ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:19:50 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Most characters from The Big Bang Theory. Contrary to what a lot of people thought when the show first came out, it's not laughing with us... it's laughing at us.
IHNE ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:34:13 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
A horrible, character ruining ending!
sargex10 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:36:26 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Megan....
Aocast ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:58:34 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
How is Tammy not in the top 10?
_PSP_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:06:27 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He might not be as hated nowadays, but Raiden from Metal Gear Solid 2 was despised for a long time by fans.
BioshockedNinja ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:20:00 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Anyone say Sakura from Naruto yet? Fuck Sakura.
then again Kishi isn't very good at writing female characters in general so i guess I shouldn't be too hard on her.
CreatedWhileWatching ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:41:00 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Katherine Forrest
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:55:52 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The Cryptarch, back when it was Destiny 1.0.
dorf_physics ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:57:13 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Starbuck from BSG. Bitch.
kingofbreakers ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:12:56 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Pretty sure all of humanity hates Jofferey.
tgyk84 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:44:13 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Linda from Bobs Burgers. Not a single redeeming quality in that woman.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:45:41 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Q from TNG. Guy was infuriating.
Richeyar ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:48:48 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Star Wars is like the least nerdy thing in existence
Legosheep ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:59:45 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Dinkleberg!
Lycarin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:04:17 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Frodo Baggins ... god dammit, get rid of this stupid ring, you silly hobbit!
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:27:36 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Grrrr Dinkleberg....
jasongnc ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:34:23 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Drizz't.
wind_stole_my_mat ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:54:38 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Higher ground
xRealNinjuzx ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:03:53 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Pokey from Earthbound is a super shitbag. Argh just thinking about him makes me want to punch something.
prodromic ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:24:12 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I hate kano.
pchoon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:35:01 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Y do ppl hate jar jar binks? Can someone fill me in?
Infantrydad ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:56:25 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Because he is the Anti-Christ
headexpl0dy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:53:56 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Meesa tinkin' you'sa bein' onto som'tin
giobbistar21 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:52:32 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Elmyra Duff. If it weren't for her, Pinky and the Brain might still be going. Fuck her to death.
FishstickIsles ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:06:59 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He was just a recruitable NPC from Neverwinter Nights.
But people surely seemed to hate Tomi Undergallows with a passion.
FishstickIsles ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:08:37 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
One more, anyone who plays DDO will hate Coyle Lovell.
TEG24601 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:14:38 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Janeway
runknownz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:20:29 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Teemo!!
iamvishnu ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:27:34 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Omochao from Sonic.
VarioussiteTARDISES ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:42:15 on January 4, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This is why Eternal Engine is the best Tails stage of SA2.
Because you can basically trap Omochao in an endless loop of being pulled into space.
Unfortunately they mass-produced the goddamn robot because there are still a LOT more...
cdude38 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:31:31 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Argath from final fantasy tactics. That guy was a giant cock.
Queen_Crybaby ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:31:56 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Mr Peanut Butter :p
LethargicHero ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:50:30 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Star Wars is about as nerdy as Indiana Jones
ThatCrazyManDude ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:57:11 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You know the rivals from the blue/red and silver/gold days of Pokemon never fail to annoy me either. They purposefully made them as douchey as possible -.-
headexpl0dy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:51:36 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Pretty sure Jessie and James had some freakish love thing going on. They were just too kinky for children's TV and the original mangas were kinda sexual.
Tako_toozdaze ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:34:33 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ino Yamanaka
ohhellfire ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:44:23 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
jace beleren. we hate him.
msquarea ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:39:40 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Felicity Smoak.
kuroikawa ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:51:50 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Shou Tucker (Full metal alchemist), Dabzou Shimura (Naruto), Nobuyki Sugou (Sword Art Online)
karpathian ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:57:54 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Umbridge...
Mafarazzo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:06:16 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Navi
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:25:33 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm surprised that I don't see Joffrey from Game of Thrones, so here I am. But I kinda understand why not everyone found him despicable, because everyone around him babied him so much. but still, he's so hateful, I was overjoyed when he died.
Alex1296 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:01:44 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
senator kinsey from SG-1 fuck that guy
Theguythatsungthat ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:09:15 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I personally don't but a lot of Star Trek folks hate Capt. Janeway
GYEmperor ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:04:49 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Griffith from Berserk.
DarkMalfunction ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:53:47 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Came here, Wesley Crusher was not top answer. Disappointed.
Deson ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:21:13 on January 4, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Kefka Palazzo from one of the Final Fantasy games (6, I believe). Irritating laugh, maniacal, comic relief and then he destroys the world.
VarioussiteTARDISES ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:40:55 on January 4, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Last I checked he was one of the most popular characters!
Deson ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:07:17 on January 4, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
True. I can't stand him myself though.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:37:07 on January 4, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Umbridge. I haven't met anyone who likes her.
shapptastic ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:11:00 on January 4, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
nerd culture? probably steve jobs
SJ135 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:18:46 on January 4, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Tammy
aeliae ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:07:22 on January 4, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Just have a question. Do people have a reason for hating Preston other than his quests? He seems like a sweet character to me and I liked his romance.
walrusman64 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:45:18 on January 4, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Wild Zubats.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:27:09 on January 4, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Those dancing bird things from The Labyrinth. I hate those fucking things.
wangmuncherr ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:38:22 on January 4, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Joffrey
Anime-kun ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:11:17 on January 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
THAT FUCKING OWL First he rants for about an hour then "Would you like to hear that again?"
No nonononono...shit -_-
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:14:14 on January 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
At first, Shigechi from Diamond is Unbreakable. And Porky Minch. And Gary Oak.
popsicleturneddown ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:38:06 on January 28, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Jeoffrey Baratheon. That brat's face is even more infuriating. Also Sasugaaayyyyy.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:24:01 on February 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I like good ol' Jarry
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:48:59 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Any character they decide it might be cool to do a woman or black version of
Edit: in a mainstream blockbuster movie
Rephaite ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:38:11 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Interestingly enough, DC has done a black version of most of their heavy hitters.
Batman, Superman, Wonder Woman, Green Arrow, Green Lantern, Supergirl, The Atom, Captain Marvel, etc.
I figure it can't have been too terribly disruptive/unpopular, or they'd have stopped a lot sooner.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:10:14 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Good point. Comics readers are pretty reasonable, I should leave them out
Rephaite ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:27:46 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hopefully, that kind of reaction in moviegoers will become less common as racial and gender acceptance increases.
The only times movie changes like that bother me is if they seem super shoehorned, or occur without appropriate contextual changes, and the only reason those bother me is that they often detract from a story I already like.
For instance, it would be a little bit weird if Batman were black, with the traditional time-and-place setting, or even a modern day setting, and yet there were somehow no explanation whatsoever for how his Black American parents managed to become popular, influential billionaires during the height of Jim Crow.
And yet for Superman it might matter hardly at all, if set in the modern day: his backstory is that he's a motherfucking alien. It's about as reasonable that he somehow looks exactly like a black guy as it would be for him to look like a white one.
stoneystone420 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:47:31 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Why the fuck has no one mentioned Wesley Crutcher? Worst part of TNG by far.
Dorkules ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:44:37 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:53:12 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Felicia Day
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 23:46:24 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Felicia Day
mikepictor ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:43:41 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Extremely popular in popular nerd culture...like headliner level fame at the rate conventions.
ananori ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:09:46 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Skylar White
__-inserttexthere ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:50:23 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Bu.... But.... Why do people hate Jar Jar Binks?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:14:12 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Lwaxana Troi
greevous00 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:29:12 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I know, right? 15 year old me was like "Ohhhh no... an episode with that stupid slutty grandma-skank again..."
gwig9 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:16:37 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
How has no one said this yet... Joffrey!
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:38:41 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Westley Crusher.
ksm6149 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:39:24 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Shut up Wesley
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 20:41:39 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Picard fucking his mom all the time probably caused some issues, though.
greevous00 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:34:46 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"Mom, is Captain Picard my daddy?"
"No, Wesley, shut up."
"But... he always gives you these eyes."
"Wesley, shut up."
"Why doesn't Captain Picard like me very much, mom?"
"Nobody likes you Wesley, now shut up."
"I'm so confused."
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:47:16 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Wesley Crusher
ella_minn0w_pea ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:16:37 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Dawn in Buffy
Limberine ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 23:45:02 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yup.
johntheduncan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:09:41 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Dolores fucking Umbridge
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:45:39 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Wesley Crusher. Wil Wheaton.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:20:21 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What's wrong with Hwil Hwheaton?
burtonmadness ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:33:06 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:34:36 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I have no problem with Jar-Jar. Or Anakin. Episode 1 is probably my favourite Star Wars movie because I was 8 when it came out so it's the first one I had the chance of seeing in the cinema.
And I just think the movie is so rich. Far flung planets, cool looking ships, podracing, the Jedi, the Naboo starfighter, etc, etc. I seriously loved that movie and I still do.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:59:12 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The cast of the Big Bang Theory are hated by most nerds.
SummonTheDerp ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:47:38 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
OP
shouldhaverolled ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:06:26 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Joel Schumacher is history's greatest monster!
DrTenochtitlan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:06:50 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Wow, no Adric from classic Doctor Who yet...
greevous00 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:17:32 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
OMG I hated him when I was a kid watching that show... I'd yell at the TV loud enough that my folks would get mad.
snalli ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:17:26 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I call him "The Bioware Boyfriend": Carth, Atton, Alistair, Kaidan... and so on. Not exclusive to Bioware of course, but found in most Bioware games, and other similar rpgs. I hate that guy.
chandom ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:24:33 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Cyclops
MrZeldaNerd ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:38:19 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That kid in Les Miserables that gets shot by the soldiers, fucker had it coming.
matt-is-white ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:53:25 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ana Lucia Cortez from LOST...
axelbuddy042187 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:05:56 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Haden Christianson as Anakin.
dillany ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:13:49 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Dr. Heinz Doofenshmirtz
Rhynasty ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:26:42 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Felicity Smoak. Cries every five seconds.
DanneMM ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:59:59 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Bet you love Damien Dark right about now then?
Rhynasty ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:48:52 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I really do; he's a delightful kind of asshole!
DanneMM ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:38:11 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And yet he feels way too weak for being so strong. I know its a series where ppl can come back from the dead after being really dead for a long time but still. Being able to raid a political party in a decent sized industrial and technological city AND NOBODY BUT ARROW DOES ANYTHING.
Rhynasty ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:55:45 on January 7, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yea, the show definitely has its flaws. I think it boils down to budget and writers they can afford with that budget.
dregan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:31:03 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Joffrey Baratheon
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:36:09 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Janet from accounting because she doesn't give a fuck.
wrath4771 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:39:56 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
But that's why I admire Janice: she doesn't give a fuck.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:36:34 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Shinji Ikari
Shadix37 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:37:59 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Kapora Gabora. Fuck that guy
Killtherollingstones ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:00:59 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Deb from dexter don't care if its not nerd criteria but i hated that cunt
Riker1701 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:25:57 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Admiral Caine from Battlestar Galactica. Fuck off bitch, Adama got this...
JustPuggin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:29:22 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Old George Lucas
Dancing_Cthulhu ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:58:40 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If we're bringing actual people into this Michael Bay, Paul W. S. Anderson and Uwe Boll seem like the directors most hated by "nerd/geek" culture.
EwanWhoseArmy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:31:48 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Dawn Summers
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:58:36 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Dawn
call-now ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:00:21 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm suprised nobody has said Skylar White yet
FatFreddyzCat ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:08:28 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The whiny bitch from the wonder years, Winnie fn Cooper.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:14:49 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Shinji Ikari from Evangelion. Some badass moments, but not enough to redeem him.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:32:01 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
ITT: What fictional character do you hate?
Gikidari ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:44:02 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Goten. Nobody liked Goten the moment he shot out of Chichi's chichi.
StayFrostyIcebrgSlim ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:06:11 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Gotenks was rad
motu147 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:59:48 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Surprised I haven't seen Sheldon Cooper yet
Illier1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:25:01 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ahhh, let's get that Bing Bang Theory circle jerk going (pulls out lotion)
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:13:23 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
BOOKER CATCH
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:09:36 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Everyone loves her though. She was actually helpful.
PhanCast ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:13:23 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm going out on a limb here.... and say... Doctor who.....rose tyler....>.>.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:06:31 on January 15, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Nah, man... if you want the most universally hated character on that show, that'd be Donna. People despise her by and large. Rose is merely divisive.
awayfromsomewhere ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:40:51 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I like shorts! They're comfy and easy to wear!
Hardin_of_Akaneia ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:27:05 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think shorts guy has become a running joke with Game Freak.
i3na ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:43:55 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm surprised I haven't see this one yet but... Skylar from Breaking Bad.
beleeze ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:53:21 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Joffery from A game of thrones (a song of ice and fire)
DozeShenaniganz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:55:21 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Usopp in One Piece
wartortle87 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:04:47 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Captain Usopp
DozeShenaniganz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:47:55 on January 4, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Lololol
Tylzer ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:56:54 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Anyone on The Big Bang Theory.
Kryptosis ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:59:20 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Westly Crusher
Granwyrm ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:21:54 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Joffrey. Fuck you, Joffrey.
Azazelle ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:22:36 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Wesley Crusher from StarTrek the Next Generation....
drummertim ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:25:13 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Poochie
Morgan-Explosion ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:28:51 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Fucking Skyler...
nel_wo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:39:19 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Dolores Umbridge. That pink hatted, chubby, cat lady. I hate her soooo much.
Draco Malfoy comes in second "Wait till my father hears about this." Shut up you whiney coward! Without your father's connection you are a worthless double crossing ferret!
Atheist_Simon_Haddad ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:47:24 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Children always ruin Sci-Fi. They exist just to put themselves and others in harm's way. Also the writers don't know what to do with them and the young actors generally shit all over every scene they're in.
etc.
BioBear ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:50:42 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The entire cast of the Big Bang Theory.
darkmark7 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:51:49 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Sheldon Cooper
Jacob2040 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:54:00 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Delores umbridge
Although she was written to be hated.
sukhjeet3 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:59:51 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Dolores Umbridge, she is the worst part of harry potter.
WretchedMonkey ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:09:15 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Everyone on big bang theory
SylverShadowWolve ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:10:06 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The Fucking children up in dragonsreach, spoiled bastards. I don't give a Fuck how you like your meat
BaseAttackBonus ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:11:41 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Those guys from Big Bang Theory
BaseAttackBonus ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:12:20 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Wesley Crusher, the first season of Star Trek was nearly ruined because of that guy.
PhreakOfTime ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:52:00 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Right in front of a second season that was ruined because of that old dusty bag of bones of a doctor.
homelesspie ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:15:21 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Sheldon Cooper.
jigglejigglegiggle ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:35:26 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Umbridge.
IxxKRONOSxxI ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:52:51 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm gonna go with Umbridge.
kabukistar ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:55:01 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Dolores Umbridge.
TakeTheLantern ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:56:32 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Either cercei or joffrey lannister. Both of their characters were complete dicks and they played the part well.
FightClubLeader ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:01:46 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Dolores Umbridge. Fuck that bitch
VeeFu ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:16:09 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Shia Lebeouf
mrmonkeybat ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:43:16 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Correct any character he plays is anoying, how does his anoying face and voice get into so many films? And he is paid for it!?
Jess_than_three ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:18:34 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Joffrey Baratheon, the loathsome little shit.
cero54 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:34:23 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Joffrey "Baratheon"
dallen13 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:42:26 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Joffrey from Game of Thrones
Unexpected_Artist ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:26:48 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I wish people respected the actor for making joffrey so hateable.
dallen13 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:57:25 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I definitely do! Thats why i listed the character and not the actors name.
lokardo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:46:41 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Toby from The Office (U.S.).
Skizm ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:56:15 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
umbridge
davisd4 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:57:13 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Dolores Umbridge.
cunttacos ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:00:17 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Joffrey and Ramsay Bolton. Just the mere sight of their faces stirs an indescribable rage in my soul
DisregardThisOrDont ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:04:39 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Martha Jones.
ChrisNomad ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:08:45 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Scrappy Do.
Bickus ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:10:21 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Oh! Sheldon, from 'Big Bang Theory'!
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:15:35 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Umbridge
Forever-Charging ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:16:41 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Umbridge (Umbitch) should definitely be at the top of everyone's list
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:19:57 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Fuck the Great Gazoo, what a fucking douchenozzle.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:21:49 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
To be honest I hate C3PO equally with Jar Jar.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:49:39 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Wesley Crusher
silENTsmoker846 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:54:03 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Professor Umbrige from Harry Potter. So much so I hate her in other movies because she did such a good job in Harry Potter
JashanTheCreator ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:54:47 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Walter White's wife from Breaking Bad
SethMulti ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:23:49 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Navi. No more needs to be said.
Totes_MacGoats ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:24:47 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Dolores Umbridge
paiute ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:26:38 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The writers and cast of Big Bang Theory
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:33:28 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Has anyone said Scrappy Doo
Wice_Quispies ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:37:48 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Lori from The Walking Dead
kikesaltos ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:39:34 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Jenny from Forrest Gump. She's a b*&$h
Senbozakura222 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:41:19 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Wesley Crusher.
asoughtafterdroid ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:53:12 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Apparently, Preston Garvey
lucuher ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:57:31 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Neelix! It's the jar jar of ST Voyager.
TheNotoriousMAZ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:58:49 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Neelix from Star Trek Voyager.
rtmpower ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:24:33 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
fucking Skylar from Breaking Bad... soooo naggy
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:38:37 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Caulou
nerdy3000 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:43:39 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Geoffrey from Game of Throwns, Umbridge from Harry Potter
sadlittleduckling ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:54:27 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The ponds. They're the worst. Especially Amy.
Solace_of_the_Thorns ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:10:04 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I know we have an important question and all, but there's a settlement that needs your help. Let me mark is on your map.
Megacherv ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:26:26 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I've got to say Preston Garvey is rising through the ranks quickly, but there's also another character people hate more, let me mark them on your map.
Ghastlycitrus ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:44:56 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Honestly, what were they thinking making his quests auto accept?!
zeekaart ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:52:04 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Shinji from Neon Genesis Evangelion
WSPA ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:15:40 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
u wot fam
not even gaming anyway
Bigchiefchickenwing ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 00:01:53 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I just recently watched all three lord of the ring films recently. I don't know about any one else but Frodo Baggins is a huge bitch. I can't stand that little cunt. Through out all three movies everyone else steps up and handles their shit when they need to. Even the other hobbits. But not Frodo, all he ever does is whine. "Oohh please help me, I can't do it. Help me." What a fucking twat.
Illier1 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:22:22 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He did step up, he was the first to offer his life for the quest. Plus he was too busy resisting the dark corruption.
He would never have done it alone, that's what makes the Fellowship heroic
Bigchiefchickenwing ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:45:38 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I guess I never thought about it like that. I see your point. But still all the whining just bugged the shit out of me
hmscoachhardin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:51:01 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Read the books. He's not as whiny sounding there.
StayFrostyIcebrgSlim ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 00:03:15 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"I don't know about anyone else but"
Read you cunt.
Agatha_Kare ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:07:27 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He prevents me from being able to enjoy the movies. I always get hell for it, but Bilbo was a much better protagonist in my opinion.
losian ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 17:32:10 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Poor Jar-Jar. I liked him more than the obnoxious comedy relief robots, personally, but I think a lot of people pin all their disappointments with the movie on him alone unfairly.
fastredb ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 17:43:16 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Thanks for reminding me of the obnoxious comedy relief robots.
One_more_page ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 18:17:20 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You are not wrong that many people use him as a conduit for many more far reaching and deeper issues that the prequels had. You ARE wrong for liking him more than anything else... ever.
anonymous_212 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:40:22 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hillary Clinton
CMDR_Gila ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 18:37:29 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Why the hate for jar jar
Djlionking ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 22:51:11 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Don't care what people say, Kylo Ren ruined the new Star Wars for me. I feel like he was blasting Taking Back Sunday mix tapes inside his helmet.
slapuwithafish ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:07:01 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That he didn't even need the helmet somehow made it worse.
fubo ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 00:18:18 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What the fuck is even up with that guy? He's like, "I can't live up to my heritage. Now, I could just pout about it ... but I'd rather shoot up my school and go join ISIS. And while I'm at it, I need Professor Snape's haircut."
iPreemo ยท -16 points ยท Posted at 16:23:42 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
C-3PO
[deleted] ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 16:33:02 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
People love Threepio
bl1y ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 17:00:06 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Goodness gracious.
2midgetsinaduster ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 17:03:16 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Oh my...
TheMuddyPhallus ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 16:52:53 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Why the hate? C3-PO is bae
RQK1996 ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 19:04:04 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
because he is basically Jar Jar
Mordecai_808 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:23:31 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You may be the only person who agrees with me on this.
dk325 ยท -24 points ยท Posted at 16:14:53 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Fuck Dobby
[deleted] ยท 28 points ยท Posted at 16:33:28 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You take that back! He died for our sins!
ImSomebodyNow ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 16:45:38 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
A FREE ELF
TheKillersVanilla ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:26:39 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Free? That's my favority price! I'll take him!
DanGod392 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:08:12 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Aquaman
imp3r10 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:37:43 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Went do people hate jar jar
Godofwar123 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 22:20:04 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Donna noble.....
Dancing_Cthulhu ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:23:10 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I thought she was one of the more popular companions. People seemed to like her more than poor Martha at least.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:12:27 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I liked both of them.
User101abc ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 23:52:19 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Can someone please tell me why everyone hates jar jar? I found him kinda funny.
Dancing_Cthulhu ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:13:39 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't know if I'd say I hated him, but for me he was everything that's typically wrong with comic relief characters - trying too hard, tonally at odds with everything else going on, and the humor was usually childish. If they'd visited Hoff I'm sure there would have been a scene where he'd have gotten his tongue stuck to conveniently placed lamppost.
Then it just felt ridiculous when the silly sack of goof from PH shows back up as part of Naboo's senatorial representation.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:56:25 on January 4, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hey, did you ever check your girlfriends phone? Was she messing around on you??
User101abc ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:57:07 on January 4, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah broke up with her. not worth it. Thanks for the support buddy
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:58:15 on January 4, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You're welcome. Good for you. This saved you a lifetime of pain.
What was on her phone? What was she doing?
User101abc ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:07:06 on January 4, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Flirting, arranging meeting, typical tinder slut stuff
tehfurrydj ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 01:54:42 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Preston garvy
GunpowderLad ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:07:24 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
When you're done posting, I've got something a bit different for you. Another settlement needs our help. I've marked it on your map for you.
NicePaperclip ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 02:10:06 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Preston Garvey
ReddiTimothy ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 18:55:26 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Fuck River Song
mikepictor ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:42:14 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Why? One of the best Dr. Who characters they have devised.
ReddiTimothy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:20:43 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
She just annoys me, and all my friends who watch Doctor Who. They've killed her off enough times, so stick with it. She screams obnoxious.
WilliamTheGnome ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 18:04:13 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
I like Jar-Jar.... Why does he get so much hate? I thought he was funny. Other than a circle jerk about him, someone should actually answer the question, yes?
HouseDjango ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:17:16 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It might be because I was about 10 or 11 when the prequels came out, but I have nothing against them at all. I do acknowledge that the originals and TFA are miles above the prequels but i still enjoy them alot whenever I get the chance to watch them. I guess being a kid with no motivation to over analyze things helped.
madeofstarlight ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:07:02 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Terrible character, didn't add much value to the franchise story-wise, dialogue was irritating the overwhelming majority of the time, just to name a few issues. I get he was a very marketable character for children, and that's nice and all, but his character made the movies less enjoyable, in my opinion.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:24:03 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
[deleted]
madeofstarlight ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:13:16 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I know a lot of people would have appreciated a different kind of character.
the_bridgeburner ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:39:39 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Mesa thinks yousa crazy!
[deleted] ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 19:56:48 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Why is Jar-Jar so hated? I used to like him...the only thing that's changed is that I don't find him that interesting anymore, but I'm still not hating him.
I LOVED THE STAR WARS PREQUELS !
I LOVED JAR-JAR !
I LOVED SCRAPPY-DOO !
UNLEASH YOUR RAGE ! COME AT ME NERDS, HUH?
redchilliprod ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 17:00:59 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Dee Dee from Dexter's Lab.
desertravenwy ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:55:02 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
She's annoying but she's the plot point of most of the episodes... Whereas Jar Jar is just an extra whose absence wouldn't change anything... Until Episode 3 when he basically starts the Empire.
Rephaite ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:22:37 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Unless the Darth Darth Binks fan theory is true, then even that Episode 3 moment could be easily disposed of by having Palpatine or some other senator give the speech. There's no reason it had to be Jar Jar, per se.
Expires12312016 ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 20:36:24 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Mothers of neckbeards, giving curfews, blacklisting websites, loxking them in the basement, making them bathe, etc.
HP-Lustcraft ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:15:49 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm late, but how he no one said Moira from Megaton?
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:25:19 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Joel Schumaker
UserNameHere98 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:48:07 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Geoffrey from GoT
apoldan ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:10:39 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Preston Garvey. Oh and by the way, we have another settlement that needs our help. I've marked it on your map.
holgenberg ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:16:05 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Preston Garvey from Fallout 4
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:19:32 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Self Esteem.
californiadreaming12 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:21:09 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
girls
Shogo1307 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:25:45 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Wheelie...........Fucking waste of a Transformer.................
Deltahotel_ ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:34:12 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
George Lucas.
justbenj ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:41:13 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Billy Mitchell
Searingwings ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:43:47 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Vegan Ron
ulshaski ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:01:30 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I thought vegan Ron was hilarious
paulfromatlanta ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 22:03:33 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It was Wesley Crusher - but Wil Wheaton's appearances on BBT have changed a lot of minds.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 23:10:45 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Mr.Satan
Bagelstein ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 23:18:24 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Sakura from Naruto. God she is a worthless crybaby in every single situation and puts all her problems on Naruto while ignoring his love and going for the guy who is trying to kill them all.
colin23567 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 23:37:55 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Preston "Another Settlement Needs our (your) help" Garvey of Fallout 4.
thefrenchhornguy ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 23:39:06 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
ITT: Characters that are not exclusively part of "nerd culture"
HolyKnightPrime ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 23:41:51 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
All anime loli.
somethingasaur ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 23:48:14 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Neelix.
Anglaceandwhiskey ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 23:54:10 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Diablo 3: Leah
Annoying little twat
ProfessorHearthstone ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 23:55:49 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
George Lucas
Dandridan ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 23:59:59 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Skylar from breaking bad. Dumb bitch.
Illier1 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:24:30 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I never understood the hate. Walt had her emotionally and physically held hostage for half the series, I think we would have all acted that way in her position.
sfdud ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:13:34 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
BB needed a character like her to ground the show. She was awesome
disposable_me_0001 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 00:00:22 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Neelix, the Jar Jar Binks of Star Trek.
Will000jones ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 00:06:26 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Preston Garvey
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 00:22:16 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Jason Todd. As Robin.
0Boomhauer0 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 00:34:36 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Claptrap
wartortle87 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:05:43 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This couldn't be further from the truth
pandaofthedeep ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 00:57:20 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
preston fucking garvey
RacistJudicata ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 01:03:43 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Frodo.
akiba305 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 01:07:53 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Angelica from rugrats
stone_henge ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 01:08:38 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Wesley Crusher? At least I hate him.
Passing4human ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 01:11:03 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Dr. Ian Malcolm in the Jurassic Park novel.
Also: Wikus van de Merwe from District 9.
bobsabayesian ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 01:11:55 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What about Q from Star Trek TNG?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:16:25 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Q was interesting at the time, especially for people who grew up with TNG. His antics are annoying now, but there are still moments that are profound. John de Lancie is actually a pretty good actor, capable of chilling gravity when called upon.
hmscoachhardin ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:43:18 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Agreed. Loved the episodes with Q, even when he was an annoyance.
bobsabayesian ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:29:37 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I do like the actor. I just think his episodes, especially on Voyager, are cringe inducing. They haven't aged well at all.
ellinorianne ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 01:29:18 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Dawn Summers
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 01:41:44 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Eric, the one of the leaders of Dauntless in the Divergent Trilogy
Shipmatewarrior ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 01:53:20 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Preston, fallout 4
HOLYSHITBITCHMLG420 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 02:29:48 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Shinji Ikari
chet- ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 02:52:14 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Nicholas Cage in everything
scurvydog-uldum ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 03:52:35 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Dobby the... underwear elf? some kind of elf? in one of the early harry potters.
ZurichOrbital ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 03:58:42 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Preston from fallout 4.
Bohnanza ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 04:14:04 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Gandhi. He'll nuke you as soon as he gets a chance.
ThRebrth ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 04:28:25 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The soup nazi.
anewhopeforchange ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 04:38:34 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Will Weaton
brachiosaurus ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 05:06:52 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ah, another thread with the same purpose but different title. Who is the fictional character you hate the most? This topic comes up every week on reddit. Most people apparently seem to think that their massively popular mainstream interest is part of "nerd culture". Nope. This is just a list of fictional characters that most people don't like.
Quesadilla_Quarian ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 05:09:13 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Preston Garvey.
Oznog99 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 05:16:56 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Let's fix this complicated world of moral ambiguity by doing the right thing for everyone for no solid reason other than righteousness.
Quesadilla_Quarian ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:20:46 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I mean sure, but fuck if he ain't annoying.
kascott1 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 05:17:53 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Umbridge
skilliard4 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 06:06:47 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Teemo
ShockinglyWhite ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 06:15:20 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Deadpool from X-men origins:Wolverine.
iwillrockyourface ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 06:55:17 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Preston Garvey
Mitchie-San ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 07:43:34 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Walt Jr (Flynn) on Breaking Bad. His scenes were the worst part of the best show on tv.
beatleboy07 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 08:47:26 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Commander Riker.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 09:48:45 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Wha...what?... How?...
bootdog7 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:51:28 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Get out.
CarpeCyprinidae ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:44:08 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The man who brought the beard back !
Jonathan Frakes is basically the first hipster. He was doing it 20 years before it was fashionable..
joybuzz ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:29:03 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Preston Garvey is a good up and comer.
j7bach ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:39:22 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Preston Garvey
planetnutsack ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 21:44:12 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Samwise Gamgee
sleepinglegsandtoes ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 21:50:58 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Really, but... why? Sure he's a bit overeager and is like always just there but he's the most noble and humble character in the whole series..and that scene with his baby and wife ..come on bro! :)
_real_rear_wheel ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 19:05:26 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
lol
RoNPlayer ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:50:36 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Nerd culture is one of the biggest contemporary subcultures. It's to todays society what the Hippie Subculture was to the 70s.
_real_rear_wheel ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 03:33:24 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
no shit
AWESOM-O_jed ยท -8 points ยท Posted at 18:56:41 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
J. J. Abrams
kingfrito_5005 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:14:48 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Neither a character nor hated by nerds, good job just listing someone you dont like idiot.
Paisley_hippo ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:24:43 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Eh, he did kind of ruin the Star Trek reboot.
kingfrito_5005 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:18:13 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
There are plenty of nerds who greatly enjoyed the first one. Even if they werent the majority, you cant call it universal hatred if a lot of people liked it.
Delsana ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 18:37:32 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Jar jar isn't universally hated. I'm not sure why people completely miss that he was a big hit with kids and merchandise sales were through the roof for the prequel stuff..
I'd say a reviled character would be Megatron. No one really likes Megatron.
MyDishonestOpinion ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 18:46:39 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Brienne of fucking Tarth is so fucking annoying in the series it makes me want to murder stuff.
Rahnamatta ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 18:36:22 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Why do they hate JarJar? He was my favorite charcater
croutonianemperor ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 17:29:52 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Thar shrill girl in spirited away that keeps yelling "gimme a job!" I've got a job for you: drink this bleach.
Pipthepirate ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:01:27 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I gots a job for ya, come suck on my wee wee
croutonianemperor ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:08:51 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not cool mang.
Uncle_DirtNap ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 22:14:47 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Weirdly, pointlessly, wrongheadedly: Thomas Edison.
Don't tell me how Tesla is awesome, that's totally orthogonal and irrelevant.
mr_sabz ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 00:04:57 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Lisa Simpson.
[deleted] ยท -19 points ยท Posted at 17:39:57 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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kingfrito_5005 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 20:17:44 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
-9 votes and any sense whatsoever suggest that bb-8 is not universally hated.
Chucktayz ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:10:35 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Prepare for downvotes
Pipthepirate ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:01:56 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
But he is awesome
[deleted] ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 18:11:45 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Right there with you. One critic called him the Scrappie-Doo of droids.
[deleted] ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 23:47:04 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Jar-jar, universally hated? Are you retarded?
ryan49321 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:57:40 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He meant galactically
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 18:59:11 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Pee Wee Herman, post theater ejaculation
______DEADPOOL______ ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 19:02:29 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Fucking Deathstroke.
wjholcomb3 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:01:11 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I only assume its because your username is Deadpool?
IshyMoose ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 20:18:21 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Coral, from Walking Dead
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 21:32:10 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
probably women
thekingdomcoming ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 21:47:34 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Yoko Ono.
OrangeredValkyrie ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 21:50:20 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
ctrl+F Thrall
Really? No one? I figure he's more divisive than universally hated, though. Lots of people are just completely sick of him saving the world (of Warcraft hurr hurr) over and over.
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 22:58:15 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Jar Jar Binks
MrJWalk ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 23:48:10 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Everything that comes out of Japan in the form of entertainment. And. JJ Abrams
OffComment ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 00:18:15 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Jar Jar was like a creole from south america is what george lucas was on about. Everyones awkward hate towards jar jar make me feel like the only real fan.
AeroXero42 ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 01:20:26 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Will Wheaton
asedc ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 01:53:27 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The "female gamer" or the "PC master race"
jwfc ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 02:15:15 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Preston Garvey. DIS SETTLEMENT IS UNDER ATTACK. LET ME FILL YOUR QUEST LOG. I sentenced him to wearing a a dress at starlight drive-in
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 02:23:44 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What are you talking about? Jar Jar is the most powerful sith to have ever lived!
TeddyV ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:47:06 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yousa gonna die for speaking dat.
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 02:26:48 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ring possessed Frodo motherfucking Baggins
nickthegeek ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 02:27:43 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Lisa Simpson
Orsenis ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 02:36:45 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Fucking Ganondorf. Caused so much pain to my dear childhood friends of Hyrule.
thephdguy ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 02:40:37 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Wookie from star wars
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 05:31:33 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
People hate jar jar? hes such a lovable doofus
Mk2Guru ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 05:38:54 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, everyone hates jar-jar. Moreso than every character ever.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:29:25 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
but why?! do people just hate how dumb he is?
Mk2Guru ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:21:58 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They hate him due to how annoying he is.
mbelf ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 07:03:33 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
River Song
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 08:25:16 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Rose Tyler-Doctor Who
Karl_Marx_ ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 08:55:51 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Do people hate Jar-jar? I don't even like Star Wars and Jar-Jar is the only character I enjoy.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 09:48:27 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Everyone who likes Star Wars hates Jar-Jar.
tiny_crazy_sailor ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:50:16 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not my favorite but I wouldn't go so far as to say I hate him..
semperverus ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 10:23:46 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I liked Jar-Jar.
MikeGista ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 11:08:17 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Slippy the Frog from Star Fox
GoldfishHero ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:58:09 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Do a barrel roll!
NAJIZARD ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 11:36:15 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
i love jar jar
RiverSongTheDM ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 14:07:20 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I've come here to say that I and my my family all love Jar Jar
Terghan ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 19:13:14 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Since you mention Jar Jar, I feel compelled to mention the Darth Jar Jar Theory
shoganaiyo ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 19:56:31 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not a character, but an icon in nerd culture: Stephen Moffat -- and he earned every bit of it.
heyLama ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 22:42:21 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
People who get laid
pawnzo ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 23:39:09 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Felicia Day. She saw an easy opportunity in the need culture and exploited it.
Bad_Wolf1369 ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 00:07:37 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'll be completely honest. I absolutely hate Donna Nobel (spelling?) From Doctor Who.
TeddyV ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 02:46:18 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Fuck you emma watson, you are NOTSexy, You never will be.
amaxen ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 03:23:56 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Emo Vader, from Episode 7.
metallica123446 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 03:51:06 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Kylo Ren? I thought he was cool.
consolas ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 03:53:35 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This is a whole other level of offering a free spoiler. Usually it is just dumb or stupid but this is a whole other level. Well done.
metallica123446 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 03:55:15 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No, it would be a spoiler if I said something happened to somebody. If I am just saying the villain's name then that is definitely not a spoiler.
consolas ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:00:04 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ah, ah, ah, so funny. Editing the post and stuff. I'm glad you took it out to not spoil for everyone else.
metallica123446 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 04:40:30 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I still dont see how it was spoling it for anyone. It wasnt
IHNE ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 10:32:05 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I love Jar Jar. Why is he hated?
CarpeCyprinidae ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:41:46 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Meesa do verbal equivalent of putting on blackface, Massa Jedi...
IHNE ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:32:30 on January 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What does that make Yoda (who was much more tiny and boring)?
[deleted] ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 20:41:36 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Frodo Baggins.
It drives me insane too because he's my all time favorite character.
People never have good reasoning for hating him either,they just say he's useless or whines a lot.
Or that Sam was the 'real hero' as if this story isn't chock full of them.
They never see his sacrifices,he isn't sacrificing more than others but he is still sacrificing a lot. They choose to see him as weak and useless and one time someone had the nerve to call him the villain and Gollum be the hero,I felt like I was in the Twilight Zone when I heard that.
People who hate him don't understand him at all. The thing about Frodo is someone else could have taken the ring but they didn't. Frodo did. He made difficult decision after difficult decision throughout this journey all the while almost dying multiple times. He was also trying not to die while being corrupted by the ring the entire time.
The reason so many side with Sam is because Sam didn't have to deal with the rings powers,he just had to defend Frodo and cook food. Frodo had to keep this all powerful ring safe all the while not starving,not loosing his best friend and getting this damn thing to Mordor secretly. He never wanted Sam to go with him,that's why he meant to leave on his own from Amon Hen. He couldn't bare the thought of his kin being corrupted or killed because of him. He already lost Gandalf in the mines,in the mines he chose to go through..he doesn't want to lose anyone else.
He isn't a perfect character but neither are the others. He is a hero nonetheless and I'll never stop standing up for him.
Edit: down votes only further prove my point so
ulshaski ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:12:18 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I have only heard these arguments from a very few people. I wouldn't consider Frodo universally hated.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:22:37 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You're lucky then. Any time I even mention his name on here I get multiple replies calling him useless and terrible. A lot of my comment history is me trying to explain to people why he is a good character because they are relentless with their terrible reasoning.
TheGreatMale ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 20:53:54 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Frode is terrible! He cant handle nothing. But they needed him to have all the annoying drama.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:09:39 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Way to prove my point.
TheGreatMale ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 21:14:34 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Bitch plz... dont be a butthurt child. Lol:p
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:18:24 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The only one who is butt hurt here is you, all I said was you proved my point.
ishirtu ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 20:58:38 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Stanis' daughter Shireen. Glad she died. That face, not even the deformity, just the fucking face! And when she talks...i cant
[deleted] ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 22:46:54 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
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SwearWords ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:02:13 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
There was much more wrong with Phantom Menace than Jar Jar. I figure it's just easier to focus on Jar Jar's goofy ass than pointing out less obvious faults with the flick.
[deleted] ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 19:53:52 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
kylo ren
[deleted] ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 18:02:54 on January 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Any character with a girlfriend