qabadai ยท 1778 points ยท Posted at 04:01:03 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
"Around Christmas 2002, bartender Doyle went out drinking with pal Michael Wright and Wrightโs girlfriend. As they all walked home, Wright thought Doyle was hitting on his girlfriend, and witnesses later told cops they saw a man getting โthe sโt beat out of him.โ He was heard screaming, โNo, donโt break my legs!โ and another witness said he saw someone throw Doyle down an open manhole.
The drop was 18 feet. At the bottom was a pool of boiling ยญwater, from a broken main. Doyle didnโt die instantly โ in fact, as first responders arrived, he was standing below, reaching up and screaming for help. No paramedic or firefighter could climb down to help โ it was, a Con Ed supervisor said, 300 degrees in the steam tunnel.
When Melinek saw the body on her autopsy table, she writes, she thought heโd โbeen steamed like a lobster.โ His entire outer layer of skin had peeled off, and his internal organs were literally cooked.
He otherwise had no broken bones and no head trauma, which meant he was fully conscious as he boiled to death."
ONE witness said he saw a man throw Doyle down an open manhole.
How reliable is that account?
Was it night? Had the witness been drinking? Are Eye witness accounts generally very reliable?
The answers to the first 2 questions are like to be 'Yes' and the answer to the third question is definitely 'No', so with only one witness making this claim, there is really no way of should be considered a fact without a lot of other convincing evidence.
Well, the man was very angry at Doyle, I wouldn't be surprised if he actually did throw him down, but I see your point.
rugtoad ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:23:28 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Eh, you could reasonably argue that the guy didn't intend to kill him, but I don't think you could reasonably argue that the guy who pushed him didn't cause his death.
Granted, I got my undergraduate in law from Professor McCoy at the University of Law & Order and my law degree from The University of Wikipedia...so wtf do I know.
More than one person can be at fault in a given case and more than one person can have contributed to a persons death.
If the person had tripped and fallen into the manhole without being in a fight, it seems relatively certain that the person who removed the cover might be seen as having caused his death.
But calling the case here murder without proving intent to kill (or even proving the knowledge that the action could kill) is probably a bit of a stretch.
rugtoad ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:26:38 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Sure, I'd agree that not only the guy pushing caused his death, and that it is egregiously, grossly, and probably criminally negligent to leave an exposed hole in the middle of the street, at the bottom of which is a human steam-cooker.
But, as a certified Armchair Expert and Keyboard Attorney, I'd prosecute the "friend" for some sort of negligent manslaughter crime. Somebody went through a horrific death, a family is in mourning, a person is gone who, but for the actions of the guy who pushed him, would probably still be here.
And fwiw, people die from being knocked down and hitting their head the wrong way on a curb. People die from falling into manholes that don't have torturous-death-chambers at the bottom of them. It's not going to e hard to prove that the action could kill, but I also don't think you would need to demonstrate that his friend knew it would.
Of course, with all this uneducated speculation, I'm really starting to beg being the subject of a /r/badlegaladvice post, so I should probably stop now...but yeah, the point is that the guy who pushed him definitely played a major contributing factor in the death, and should have been charged with some sort of homicide crime.
Lots of places in the world use district heating systems.
Cub3h ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 14:51:37 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
TIL.
I've been watching Seinfeld lately and wondered what the deal was with all this weird steam coming out of the sidewalks. (whaaat's the deal with these sidewalks?!)
Have you never seen cities with steam pouring out of sewer manholes or vents? I didn't expect that it was boiling hot water down there at first but I figured that it must be more than warm at least.
Even with no broken bones and fully conscious? What if they rigged up a loop at the end that he kind of sat in? Somebody else said it would too hot for a rope, but if it were done quick enough could it be a possibility?
monkeiboi ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 14:58:08 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Imagine sticking your hand in a pot of boiling water, just for a second, and taking it out. We've all experienced spilling boiling or scalding water on ourselves. Imagine how your body reacted, to instinctively jerk your hand back from the pain, the stinging, burning sensation spilling into your hand, making it feel like your skin is screaming at you.
Now imagine that it's twice as hot as that. And instead of your hand going through that mind buzzing pain, imagine your entire body...at once....and it doesn't end, imagine bathing in a pot of boiling water...and staying in. Me trying to describe the pain here would be insulting, at best, but it would be akin to a burning fiery death.
At 10 seconds in the steam tunnel, your body is just starting to really reel from the explosion of pain receptors all at once. You don't feel the entirety of the pain yet, but your brain is just starting to process all the signals. It KNOWS it's going to hurt, a lot worse, very quickly. Your skin is immediately reacting, you probably have 1st degree burns to 40% of your body, every bit of exposed flesh. Your eyes and lips feel funny, being mucous membranes, they take an extra second or two to heat up to the point your skin does.
At twenty seconds in you are well and truly fucked. Your brain is slammed with a million million pain receptor signals as your largest organ cries out in agony. You take in a heaping gulp of scalding air again, and scream for the fourth time. Your eyes, now steam burned, are permanent ruined, but that is inconsequential as your eyelids have already swollen shut. Fully 90% of your body is suffering the effects of first degree burns, only your crotch , covered in the thickest fabric is currently spared. Your lips and mouth are now also burned. Your brain is in full overdrive now, dumping adrenaline and dopamine into your system trying to shut down the flood of pain receptors firing off. If the heat was suddenly and immediately turned off at thirty seconds, provided you got rapid medical care...you would probably live...albeit deformed and most likely blind, downing pain pills for the remainder of your life just to cope.
At 60 seconds in...you are already dead. Now 100% of your body is burnt, with 1st degree rapidly shifting to 2nd degree. Your mucous membranes in your mouth and throat are now inflamed and blistering. UNLuckily for you, your esophagus is doing a bang up job at cooling the scalding air before it reaches your lungs...mostly. Your still suffering lung damage, just relatively slowly. At 150bpm, your heart is furiously pumping oxygenated blood to your brain and major muscle groups, more than enough to make up for the reduction in efficiency from your damaged lung tissue. Your mental functioning is somewhere between a rabid animal and a monkey fucking right now. On the plus side! The pain blocking chemicals your brainstem and glands are dumping are in full swing right now. This is probably the best you are going to feel for the remainder of your life. It still "hurts", but it's like displaced pain. Just...just awful...but awful slightly to the left of your body.
At 5-10 minutes in, (the average emergency reponse time for calling 911), your upper layers of skin are dead. Literally cooked. Only down in the subcutaneous fat layers can you find still living tissue, but that's going quick. Your core body temperature is starting to peak out at the upper range where your organs will still function, and some closer to the surface, like your intestines, are already past that point, themselves already dead and going into the temperature range for a slow simmer. Your at about 50% lung capacity and fading fast, your trachea and esophogus, not geared for dealing with burning injuries, are blistered and weeping blood into your lungs and stomach. This helps absorb some of the heat, keeping you breathing for longer. Your major muscle groups, being thickly corded flesh, are just starting to die off on the exterior, but they still work. You can stand, walk, maybe push a little bit, but your hands are almost cooked through. They are pretty much just softly boiled chicken wings that attach to your forearm muscles. At this point the dopamine and adrenaline is starting to wear off, but the majority of your skin pain receptors are long dead. Instead of the burning, overwhelming pain, your body starts to feel like you are being smashed by a bus. Your skin, tightened and cooking, is compressing your organs and lungs. The pain now feels like a deep ache all over, a dying ache. Nothing can encompass how little functioning and awareness you have left, Other than stand, and scream, and hurt. You're body isn't capable of anything else.
Now imagine you're a firefighter just arriving on scene eleven minutes in. You look down into the steam tunnel, and see a figure in the murky, hot air below. His skin is bright red, with splotches of white showing. He can't see, he's screaming barely intelligibly for help. You tell him to reach up, but he doesn't hear you, or can't understand you, or physically can't move his arms from being clutched to his chest. The steam feels hot looking over the hole, but you reach down anyway... and you jerk your hand back away instinctively, the stinging, burning sensation from the steam burn flooding into your hand...
Jesus Christ. This about when just a little bit of boiling water bounces out and hits your finger, but everywhere continuously.
belloch ยท 23 points ยท Posted at 08:19:24 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
she writes, she thought heโd โbeen steamed like a lobster.โ His entire outer layer of skin had peeled off, and his internal organs were literally cooked.
But did she write what they tasted like?
[deleted] ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 14:14:33 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Extended account from the source
When Melinek saw the body on her autopsy table, she writes, she thought heโd โbeen steamed like a lobster. His skin could be peeled off. The meat was tender and juicy, with a light seasoning and some garlic butter sauce he tasted absolutely delightful with a side of steamed vegetables and some roasted potatos. We saved left overs to use in a curry the next day, and and even gave the cat some of the nicer meat, there was just so much to go around. His organs had been thoroughly cooked so we saved those bits for the dogs. All in all it was lovely Christmas dinnerโ
belloch ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:25:54 on December 16, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:34:01 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
They couldn't throw a fucking rope down or something? Also why was a manhole just sitting there uncovered? Especially one covering what is essentially an oven?
IDK, it's unfortunately not uncommon for authorities to leave roads full of holes and with missing manhole covers. Also, if his skin was literally melting off, I doubt he could hold on to the rope (or maybe have the quick thinking to tie it around him).
A guy jumped into a hot spring to save his dog who'd just jumped in. This was in boiling water. People nearby told him not to try but he ignored them. He died shortly after. :(
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:58:08 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
honestly, in a situation like that, would a police officer be within legal right to shoot someone?
I know they can do it for animals that were hit in roadside accidents, but would an officer of the law be able to put a fellow human being out of misery?
Can you imagine the hopelessness of realizing that although the paramedics/rescue personnel can hear you and see you, they still can't help you? reminds me of this:
Holy shit, I think one of my professors worked on this case. He was a detective for a while, before joining the medical examiners office as a Reconstruction Specialist (iirc). When we asked what were the worst cases he worked, he replied with this case, and the case of an orthodox Jewish man who cross-dressed and had sex with men in his spare time, who had beaten and killed his landlord (I think) and started doing things to the body.
Evidently, a chunk of flesh was found smashed against the wall in the bathroom, and was determined to be a testicle. He really didn't go into much depth on it, but said that this case really freaked him out fora while. One of those "these people have their own lives" moments.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:19:03 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
All the more horrifying we cook LIVING creatures this way. Revolting
Boiling is a fucked up way to die. There's no blood loss or bain damage to take you out fast, its just pain. Every single nerve on and under your skin screaming until your brain shuts down due to shock.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:08:25 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
The massive trauma to the entire body caused the bone marrow to absorb all the blood.
I love the way this guy is like "please dont down vote me" as if that's the worst thing that could happen in the world, even worse than boiling to death.
He fell 18 feet, you think he's gonna easily be able to walk?
PapaFern ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:41:40 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
/move
The op also states he was standing. If you're able to stand, you're able to walk/limp/hobble/hop. It's a bit nonsensical to just stand there in something that's killing you.
im pretty sure if you had just fallen 18 feet and were stuck in 300 degree water/steam then you might just try and scream for help up where you just fell in from rather than go wandering off down some dark sewer.
PapaFern ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:54:46 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Wander into some dark safer part of the sewer > boil to death waiting on help that can't be delivered.
You've then got to think how long was he standing in the steam, why didn't he try get out of it? People would have came looking for him anyway, so it makes no sense to kill yourself waiting in a danger zone.
its probably pitch black apart from whatever lights coming in from where he fell, so in all his pain and confusion thats where he is going to stay and try and get help from. whos to say there was any place he could stand to get out of the water?
PapaFern ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:10:38 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Because pipes doing phase through walls. There would be tunnels going in both directions, and depending on how badly the pipe was broken and where the steam would not be as dangerous. Another option would be to sit, as steam rises.
jams4 ยท 2013 points ยท Posted at 00:19:02 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Robert- Francois Damiens who attempted to assasinate King Louis XV. He failed and was subsequently tortured. His skin was peeled off by red hot pincers, the hand that tried to kill Louis was burned with sulpher, his wounds were treated with molten wax, oil and lead. Then his limbs were to be ripped off his body by horses but this failed. His tendons were cut, and the horses tried again and succeeded. Then, supposedly, his still live torso was burned at the stake.
jberd45 ยท 683 points ยท Posted at 03:56:37 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
That reminds me of the execution of the anabaptists of Muenster in 1536. John of Leiden, Bernhard Knipperdolling and Brernard Kretchting were tied to a pole in the city square of Muenster by iron collars around their necks; then each conspirator was in turn peeled to death for one hour each in accordance with Westphalian law.
fisdara ยท 149 points ยท Posted at 06:03:01 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
And they had to be conscious for the timer to count down. Any time they passed out, the torture was paused until they regained consciousness.
[deleted] ยท 25 points ยท Posted at 15:48:02 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
That is similarly the reason "until dead" is added to the end of a hanging sentence. You otherwise would be hung by the neck for around 10 seconds or so (forget the number, though that may have been set by the judge as well), basically giving you the chance to either live or die depending on the injuries during the hanging process. Those that lived got that nice hangman's scar around their neck.
"Hung by the neck until dead" meant pretty much that. No chance of living.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 20:04:51 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
That whole series is great by the way. It has exploded in popularity semi-recently so it's impossible to see any post on Reddit about the World Wars, the Mongols, or the Roman Republic without half the comments being directly lifted from HH, but it's for good reason. The podcast is just fabulously well done.
natmccoy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:01:56 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
This guy is remarkable! He prefaces this one by warning listeners that there isn't much information available about the topic & that he shouldn't have chosen it, then he proceeds to talk without pause for 4.5 hours.
riptaway ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:04:18 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
A naked man has few secrets; a flayed man has none
You forgot to tell them about the cages their dead bodies were put in after the execution.
Those cages are still hanging at the Lamberti church in Mรผnster downtown. Pretty horrifying to think about being executed this way, with your dead remains presented to the public.
rugtoad ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:28:48 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I think it's kind of important to include the detail that those bodies were kept in those cages for 5 decades...
glowing hot tongs were used to rip the skin from his body, starting from his armpit. When it touches the skin, it erupts into flame. When the skin is all gone, they rip out tendons and ligaments... holy hell...
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:09:47 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Listened to this and his Blueprint for Armageddon series while doing manual labour, such a good way to learn history and an amazing storyteller to listen to.
I would want to go first, I think being second would be more scary
jberd45 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:49:22 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Hence they were tied to same pole. One of the guys was so terrified he tried to strangle himself by the iron collar around his neck, but the executioners tied him in a way that made such a thing impossible.
Haha yeah cuz they know that if they even try it, we'll throw a small child in a boiling pot and pound his loosened anus like a dead whore on a Bangkok park bench!
arsefag ยท 24 points ยท Posted at 10:35:27 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Ok sir. I think it's time we escorted you out of this thread.
Even if you succeed there will most likely be people hunting you down to do this to you. I don't think I'd try to kill the king without a quick suicide plan.
I came to post this. It's one of the most awful things I had ever read.
Jablon15 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:00:28 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Those were some messed up times. I'll never forget a trip I took to a museum, forget which one, that had a whole section of torture devices from the Middle Ages. Really fucked up ways to die, if you were lucky enough to die.
leyebrow ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:24:35 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
There's no way you'd survive in ancient times having your limbs pulled off. The blood loss would definitely kill you very quickly.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:03:30 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
and people say humanity hasn't progress over the years
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:07:06 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Funny enough, the guy that killed William the Silent, Balthasar Gerard suffered a similar fate.
At his trial, Gรฉrard was sentenced to be brutally โ even by the standards of that time โ killed. The magistrates decreed that the right hand of Gรฉrard should be burned off with a red-hot iron, that his flesh should be torn from his bones with pincers in six different places, that he should be quartered and disemboweled alive, his heart torn from his bosom and flung in his face, and that, finally, his head should be taken off.[6]
Gรฉrard's torture was also very brutal. On the first night of his imprisonment Gรฉrard was hung on a pole and lashed with a whip. After that his wounds were smeared with honey and a goat was brought to lick the honey off his skin with his rough tongue. The goat however refused to touch the body of the sentenced. After this and other tortures he was left to pass the night with his hands and feet bound together, like a ball, so sleep would be difficult. During the following three days, he was repeatedly mocked and hung on a pole with his hands tied behind his back. Then a weight of 300 metric pounds (150 kg) was attached to each of his big toes for half an hour. After this half hour Gรฉrard was fitted with shoes made of well-oiled, uncured dog skin; the shoes were two fingers shorter than his feet. In this state he was put before a fire. When the shoes warmed up, they contracted, crushing the feet inside them to stumps. When the shoes were removed, his half-broiled skin was torn off. After his feet were damaged, his armpits were branded. After that he was dressed in a shirt soaked in alcohol. Then burning bacon fat was poured over him and sharp nails were stuck between the flesh and the nails of his hands and feet. Gรฉrard is said to have remained calm during his torture. On 14 July 1584, Gรฉrard was executed.
Fun fact: this is widely believed to be the first assassination with a firearm.
No joke, someone made a manga called Innocent by Sakamoto Shinichi about the life of the Royal Executioner that lived around that time and that very execution was featured. The whole manga is beautifully drawn and absolutely horrible.
plsrekt ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:48:35 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Jackson was impaled through his rectum with a meat hook, hanging a foot in the air, while being questioned by mob enforcers. Jackson kept insisting he was not an informer but his torturers did not believe him.
They stripped him naked, smashed his kneecaps with a bat, one of them shot him with a gun, broke his ribs, stuck him with sharp objects, used a cattle prod on his penis and anus making him lose his bowels, burned parts of his body with a blow torch, and told him how they were going to kill his wife and children if he did not confess. Then they left him for three days until he finally succumbed to his wounds.
oh gawd, that's my son's first and middle name. I swear we googled it before we named him and this never came up. I hope by the time he finds out about this person's death he is well mature enough to deal with it and know he wasn't named after him.
[deleted] ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 16:33:38 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
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c4p1t4l ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 18:34:20 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
The magistrates decreed that the right hand of Gรฉrard should be burned off with a red-hot iron, that his flesh should be torn from his bones with pincers in six different places, that he should be quartered and disemboweled alive, his heart torn from his bosom and flung in his face, and that, finally, his head should be taken off.
On the first night of his imprisonment, Gรฉrard was hung on a pole and lashed with a whip. After that his wounds were smeared with honey and a goat was brought to lick the honey off his skin with his rough tongue. The goat however refused to touch the body of the sentenced. After this and other tortures he was left to pass the night with his hands and feet bound together, like a ball, so sleep would be difficult. During the following three days, he was repeatedly mocked and hung on a pole with his hands tied behind his back. Then a weight of 300 metric pounds (150 kg) was attached to each of his big toes for half an hour.
After this half hour Gรฉrard was fitted with shoes made of well-oiled, uncured dog skin; the shoes were two fingers shorter than his feet. In this state he was put before a fire. When the shoes warmed up, they contracted, crushing the feet inside them to stumps. When the shoes were removed, his half-broiled skin was torn off. After his feet were damaged, his armpits were branded. After that he was dressed in a shirt soaked in alcohol. Then burning bacon fat was poured over him and sharp nails were stuck between the flesh and the nails of his hands and feet. Gรฉrard is said to have remained calm during his torture. On 14 July 1584, Gรฉrard was executed.
TL;DR: Man given new shoes, liquor and bacon; remains calm.
Remained calm....WHAT. Like, calm as compared to other torture victims, or saintly beatific calm with the absolute minimum of fucks given? And those tortures...Must've been a Gary Larson scene, three dudes in a room spit balling the most atrocious ideas possible.
[deleted] ยท 348 points ยท Posted at 10:31:09 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Went into shock, maybe.
I just liked that "repeatedly mocked" was in there. Like he was being covered in boiling fat, having his nails ripped off, having limbs crushed, being skinned, but what really hurt was that guy calling him a loser.
EnkoNeko ยท 100 points ยท Posted at 11:11:14 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
"Sticks and stones may break my bones, but names will never hurt me."
The scene I'm imagining is severely cracking me up in the waiting room of the Ford dealership. You got this poor bastard being fucked in ways not even Satan could conceive and some asshat walks by and is like, "Wow what a loser."
"I cut off his fingers to get him to talk, and when he'd confessed everything I wanted to hear, I had his fucking tongue cut out, and the stump cauterized."
Everyone in the room stared at him.
"I called him an asshole, too," said Locke. "He didn't like that.
Scott Lynch,ย The Lies of Locke Lamora (Gentleman Bastard, #1)
orchlon ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:21:43 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
tl;drs are supposed to be an actual summary of the comment instead of an opportunity for just a joke, but yeah it was pretty good.
AK_Happy ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 17:07:58 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Am I the only one who thinks humorous tl;dr's are annoying? Completely defeats the purpose. Not that I didn't read the whole thing.
BigFatNo ยท 138 points ยท Posted at 08:26:30 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
You failed to mention why exactly he was tortured like this: he assassinated William of Orange, founding father of the Netherlands and one of the most prominent figures in the rebellion against Spain.
Gรฉrard was a staunch catholic and very angry at Willem van Oranje. When Filips II, then the king of Spain, declared Willem an outlaw, Gรฉrard decided to kill him.
Nihht ยท 35 points ยท Posted at 09:02:05 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
With a pistol, no less. In 1584. Pretty cool.
Nautster ยท 124 points ยท Posted at 06:22:08 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
That's what you get for killing Prince William of Orange, the founder and hope of the nation.
[deleted] ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 10:31:03 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I'd love to see the reaction of whoever thought up this new and inventive method of torture, only to have it all ruined by a stubborn goat. Now you're stuck with a prisoner coated in honey for no reason, and no way to justify it that doesn't make you look like an idiot.
I am kind of horrified at myself that I was thinking about this too - of all the things to ponder in that story, all I could think was "all honeyed up with no place to go." I hope this is just my brain refusing delivery on this horror story and not an indicator of depravity.
I have this feeling that the goat was turned into Shish-kabobs. Or the Dutch equivalent.
Keijeman ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 08:24:34 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
This happened in my hometown. You can still visit the original torture chamber, in the city hall, for free. After Gรฉrard was executed, his head and limbs were cut off, and each was hanged on one gate
fxgod ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:13:59 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
The "shoes of dog skin" method is a new one to me. I had no idea un-cured leather shrunk that much or with enough strength to crush your feet. Why dog skin though I wonder? I mean who even came up with some of these torture ideas? The goat one was obviously them just trying something new since it completely failed.
The guy who got trapped head first whilst potholing in the nutty putty caves in Utah. Despite frantic attempts to reach him the rescuers eventually concluded that it would be too dangerous to attempt to retrieve his body. His family and the landowner came to an agreement that the cave should be permanently closed with the body sealed inside.
Yeah, they pulled him up and then just left him hanging above/in the hole while they celebrated and prayed FOR HOURS. Eventually the rigging they used to pull him up broke off the wall (I guess no one bothered to stop eating pizza long enough to make sure it was secured to the wall?).
Beautifly ยท 271 points ยท Posted at 02:14:18 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
A few workers were likely working on pulling him out while others were acting relieved.
I very much doubt they just left him hanging, there would have been hell to pay if that was the case. Sounds like shitty journalism to me.
The process of pulling him out of the narrow constriction would still be time consuming, and I presume that it was during this process that the bolt failed.
Placing bolts in rock is a time consuming process and the holding power is always going to depend on how brittle the rock is. Perhaps the bolt placement was poor, perhaps there just was no good placement, there is no indicator either way in the article, though it's clear that both the writer of the article and the people discussing it don't really know anything about the decision-making process that took place.
Source? The only reference I can find breaking out pizza (thinking he was about to be saved) makes no mention of the work stopping at that time, and it's not like rock walls are made to design specifications to ensure rescue equipment will always stay secured. There are references to prayers, but only by the family, not the rescue workers. I think you've jumbled the elements of the story together.
It was around 4:30 p.m. Wednesday when rescuers got him loose. They were able to give him an IV, food and water. He also received a needed morale boost after he was able to talk to his wife over a police radio.
For a few hours there were sighs of tentative relief. They finally cracked open the boxes of pizza and cases of water, and broke out in smiles suggesting the worst was over.
I'm having a really hard time with reddit today. Can't edit my comments or anything. My comment above had formatting errors and wasn't finished. Here is the (hopefully) corrected version):
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It was around 4:30 p.m. Wednesday when rescuers got him loose. They were able to give him an IV, food and water. He also received a needed morale boost after he was able to talk to his wife over a police radio.
For a few hours there were sighs of tentative relief. They finally cracked open the boxes of pizza and cases of water, and broke out in smiles suggesting the worst was over.
They got him loose. Then celebrated "for a few hours".
milkomeda ยท 22 points ยท Posted at 04:17:25 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
That's your interpretation. I interpreted it as, they finally got him out of the initial stage, and were actively working on the complicated process of getting him out further, but since they were out of the dangerous, almost impossible initial stage, they were celebrating (while, again, actively working). So that couple of hours wasn't them just leaving him hanging while they ate; it was them relaxing a bit, eating, and feeling more confident, while part of them were still actively working on the next stage of the rescue. I find that scenario more likely than the idea that 100+ rescue people all decided it was a good idea to take a break for a couple of hours, and not work on getting him further out.
And what exactly were they doing during those several hours? They already got him loose, but there was no mention of any additional progress after that.
They definitely weren't checking/securing the rigging, that's for sure.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 15:52:24 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
There's a point you reach when you have more people than can physically work on whatever you're working on. At that point you can't just send everyone home because for all you know they might be needed later.
So why stand around doing nothing? It looks like the hard part is over, everybody who isn't actively saving this dude's life go eat.
Again, nothing there says they celebrated and prayed if that's supposed to mean they stopped working ("they pulled him up and then just left him hanging above/in the hole while they celebrated and prayed,") and nothing there says the rescuers prayed at all - you made it sound like they had done something negligent, but all the evidence indicates is that they were too optimistic.
The relief ended when the rope broke and the guy fell back in.
Obviously the guy had to have still been suspended when he fell back in. He fell back in after several hours of relief and celebration. The celebration was due to them pulling him up and getting him food/water/radio.
I don't see what you are missing here. They pulled him up. Gave him food/water. Felt relief for a few hours. Then he fell back in. What's missing?
I guess this issue is that, uh, you're basically misreading the whole thing and then when called out on, restate the same misreading.
To clarify: the events you are stating happened are not reflected in the source. At all.
RaitoGG ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 09:38:30 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Um...care to elaborate how they're not reflected at all?
They finally cracked open the boxes of pizza and cases of water, and broke out in smiles suggesting the worst was over. That only lasted for a few hours.
It literally says that they got him out of the hole halfway, gave him an IV, food and let him talk to his wife, and they then began eating pizza and drink water, which only lasted a few hours.
I agree that it's probably not what happened, but that doesn't change the fact that it certainly can be read that way.
It literally does not say that. The sense of relief lasted a few hours. Not the eating. And you seem to be under the impression that "loose" equals "free of the hole" which is also not what that means.
Seriously. Reading comprehension, buddy.
RaitoGG ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:16:47 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I'm under no impression. I agreed with you. I'm only saying that I can understand how someone could interpret it that way. The article is poorly worded.
Sorry about my tone. Didn't see who responded, I thought it was the other guy I'd originally responded to.
Yes, it certainly could use some clarification, but I don't think the other guy's interpretation makes any logical sense even based on the text we have.
xanfire ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:04:02 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
If you agree that probably didn't happen, then why bring it up in the first place?
RaitoGG ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 13:22:22 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Because I can understand why Silent is interpreting it that way?
And he's spewing his false narrative of what happened all over the thread and basically slandering the people, many of whom were there 24 hours straight, trying to save this kid.
He's the idiot that the herd has decided to follow, and he's blatantly wrong and doesn't care about it.
IIRC they pulled him out of the narrowest part that he was actually stuck in and then the rigging broke. They didn't pull him out of the entire whole and then proceed to eat pizza as he was dangling there.
Kazan ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 07:10:52 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Generally, cave rescue crews are volunteers. People who are experienced cavers volunteer to be contacted when a situation arises in the area where they live. The rescue crews should not be blamed for failing to save someone who got into a bad situation through his own foolishness. It seems like the rescuers showed pretty bad judgement in this scenario, but they had no obligation to participate in the rescue in the first place and they were doing it for free. So no, they absolutely should not go to prison.
Starace01 ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 02:16:54 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
For failing to help a guy who got HIMSELF into a bad situation? yeah, no, sure it was stupid of them if it did happen, but it's not their fault he got there in the 1st place
The wall holding the bolt that secured the line crumbled, iirc.
tcitb ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:52:11 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
No they didn't. Very few rescuers could fit in that space, and those that could where exhausted from the hours spent rescuing him already so they stopped for under an hour to eat and drink, while also giving him food and water. The rigging was a bolt, you cannot tell if they are bad or not if they are newly placed.
limpack ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:32:30 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
You're an ignorant idiot and spreading misinformation. Shame on you.
I've actually been in the caves it's called that because the clay that is in them is some odd cross between peanut butter and silly putty. Never felt anything like it in my life. It's a shame they shut it down it was a really popular place and very fun to explore.
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 07:46:16 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Wait, how recent was this?
mle_123 ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 08:20:26 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Lots of caves. Really narrow passages would open up into big rooms. The one place called the birth canal which was a tight passage that was fun to squeeze through.
When I was at Sleep-away camp (I think I was 12 or so at the time), you could sign up for extra 'outdoors" trips, so I signed up for a caving trip. There were about 12 people on the trip, half guys, & half girls from the girls camp up the road. They drove us out about an hour into the mountains. The outdoor staff were all foreigners - mostly from South Africa & New Zealand - and were really experienced outdoorsmen..they were also a bit crazy & would get us into some situations that were probably out of the safe skill level for inexperienced 12 & 13 year olds.
Anyway, there was this one kid on the trip who was pretty fat. Before we even left, the outdoors staff were hesitant to allow him to come because there would be some tight squeezes - but they weren't about to deal with the repercussions of telling a little kid paying a lot of money for camp that he's too fat to go on a trip, so he came.
We parked the van, got our headlamps & helmets on, & hiked about a mile down a path. I was expecting a huge open cavern - like the big touristy cave tours. Nope, the was literally a hole in the ground, you had to crawl to even get into the entrance. I realized this was going to be no joke caving. So in we go.
After about 5 minutes walking through the first section of cave, & climbing down about 100 feet underground we got to a point where you had to squeeze between a pretty narrow gap one at a time. Now, this gap was small even for my 90lb skinny ass teenage self...but I made it through with some maneuvering. However, I knew there was no way in hell the fat kid was gonna make it through. Sure enough, when it was his turn, he couldn't fit.
This was a problem, because At several points along the route we had to actually put on harnesses & repel down to keep going/climb back up after - so they needed all 4 of the outdoors staff who were there so they'd have enough people to supervise the group while the others rigged the climbs & beylayed the campers. They also couldn't leave a 12 year old kid alone outside the cave... so the only choice was to figure out how to get him through.
Above the narrow gap which was at ground-level, there was a slightly larger gap towards the roof of the cave, about 15 feet up. So the crazy South African outdoors staff managed to rig up a makeshift pully system out of the climbing ropes & gear. They hoisted the kid up & he tried to pull himself through the upper gap. Sure enough, he gets stuck again. Only this time, hes stuck with his upper half through the hole, & his lower half dangling 15 feet in the air. He starts freaking out & crying. The staff are trying to figure out what to do. After about 5 minutes he announces that he had just pissed himself. This made the outdoors guys kind of mad because you're not supposed to piss in a cave (as it can't evaporate, any other cavers who go through there have to walk through it indefinitely). So we ended up having to make a kind of makeshift human ladder, to hold one of these guys up there while they pushed the piss-covered fat kid through. After about an hour struggle, we finally managed to get him through & continue the trip. Needless to say the fat kid was not happy (I do imagine it mustve been pretty terrifying for him - although nobody really felt bad because he was warned that would probably happen.)
Besides that, the trip was altogether pretty incredible...lots of cool caverns & crawling through mud. Also repelling inside the cave & climbing back up afterwards was super awesome. However, I've never experienced claustrophobia like that before. At one point one of the guides told us he'd take whoever was brave enough into a real squeeze section. This was a narrow gap that ran about 50 feet long... there was maybe an inch of head clearance & it was just wide enough for a person to fit. You had to elbow crawl flat on your stomach just to get through it. When you're hundreds of feet underground, in a pitch black, remote cave, wedged in a tiny gap too narrow to turn around or move in any direction but forward...and too small for anyone to come get you...it really put the whole claustrophobia thing into perspective. Ever since then I've had very little fear of tight spaces since nothing can really compare to that. I think if I was my current size there is no way in hell i'd attempt it again though.
TL;DR Caving is awesome but avoid doing it if you're a large person.
Honestly I'm pretty cool with walking/rappelling through larger caves, or floating through them on tubes, or whatever; as long as there's enough room where I don't feel claustrophobic. That last bit you mentioned, with the 50-foot crawl, sounds like a total nightmare, but I guess you're right that it does put other "claustrophobic" situations into perspective.
Cub3h ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:33:18 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
This was a neat story to share- but I feel bad for the kid. It sounds like he should have never been permitted to enter that cave system. I'm not much of a finger-blamer, but that's an oversight that could have been avoided.
[deleted] ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 06:32:44 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
That's actually pretty spacious. I've crawled through thing way tighter than that, and I've only caved casually. Or used to. Diving through a long, very shallow bit (not unlike the one in the picture, but tighter) my clothing snagged and for just a second and panic rose up to about my chest like cold water before I could push it down.
For about half a second I thought the rock might start obeying gravity, shift minutely, and pin me forever. I was just shy of becoming a ball of random impulses when I pulled it together and unsnagged myself. I then had to get to a place I could turn around and crawl back out the way I came (no choice). Sunlight never felt so good, and that was enough for me.
A group of college students died doing that. Saddest thing about it is that they're pretty sure that one of them died first and blocked the way out for the others.
100% this. I never really think of myself as claustrophobic (I'm fine in crowded places and whatnot), but anytime I see things like this I get a rush of anxiety that almost makes my eyes well up. I don't get that feeling from any other sort of "fear"
I'm exactly the same way. Crowds and small spaces (eg: packed elevators, etc) don't bug me at all... but the idea of being in-between two sheets of rock? That thought almost made me lose my lunch.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:19:05 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
It's not like it's something you're going to stumble into accidentally.
Very true - at least I can easily avoid one of my biggest phobias, haha
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[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:12:13 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
What?
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 11:53:21 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
The people who saved him got him out, but left him dangling while they had a party, he fell back in and died
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caldera15 ยท 167 points ยท Posted at 02:34:23 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
The Y-mountain thing struck me as really darwin-esque when you consider the geography/geology of the cave. Like how can anybody think it's possibly a good idea to take a cramped 15 foot underwater tunnel to an "air chamber" - which probably had bad ventilation at the time, which lead to the deaths. Seems super risky for no real reward.
I thought the general rule for spelunking was not to touch bodies of water in caves because they might release toxic gases, kind of like shaking a soda bottle.
WadeK ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:28:56 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Apparently this was a popular tunnel for people to swim. A couple of the hikers who died told their friend that they had done it before (though both had said they hadn't done it without serious problems) and there was a rope traversing the tunnel that swimmers could use to guide themselves to the exit.
Genut ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 06:39:37 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
But... but what if there's a treasure inside?
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 06:59:33 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Like 72 virgins?
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 12:24:54 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
no I totally get it. Do something kinda sketchy and dangerous with my posse and have a cool memory to tell my grand kids when I'm old and have a boring life? Sign me up! I mean what could possibly go wrong? A torturous and suffocating death in a trapped dark chamber? Nah, won't happen to me. I'm young and invincible. Even on the small chance it does, totally worth the risk. It's about those memories brah. Gotta create them when you can! Better to burn out than fade away! Or drown out I guess in this case...
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:38:50 on December 16, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Genuinely gave ma a few laughs. Its a fucking stupid hobby, "I'm going to crawl into tight spaces and try not to die". Have you seen the movie descent?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:56:26 on December 16, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:27:49 on December 16, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
See I had missfortune with that movie, we watched it on dvd, but the dvd broke 30 mins in, we thought "this is really well made, very claustrophobic" but then didn't see the rest for like 6 months because while it was interesting, it was a "oh they're stuck in a cave" story. Love that movie.
the speed of the world's fastest swimmer is 5.34 mph. and that's on the surface of the water. so 4 seconds is like, crazy fast and not realistic. probably more like 8 or 10 because your underwater, you've been hiking and are tired, it's dark.. etc
They were found on their way back out, not on the way in. I believe one possibility is that the ventilation in the chamber was bad and did not contain enough oxygen to prevent hypoxia. They may or may not of realized this but clearly at least the first woman was overcome by lack of oxygen and everybody else followed, either cause they were blocked too our also just succumbing.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 11:45:26 on December 16, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Do you have a source on that? The way I heard it is that nobody got out alive, four went in and they all died. One guy decided to just not go in at all and got concerned when his friends didn't return after forty five minutes. The other point about the woman getting stuck sounds like it could be right but I need a source. How do we know she got stuck and didn't just pass out due to lack of oxygen?
isisis ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 04:36:25 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
One of the girls was a friend of mine. So sad to lose someone for something so stupid.
als_pals ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 04:25:58 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
It's definitely an appropriate response, not everyone gets it but it's pretty normal. For example my hands get all clammy when I read about or even think about being in a really high place. It's just a sympathetic automatic nervous reaction, not necessarily emotional. If you enjoy spooking yourself like I do try reading Ted the Caver, http://www.angelfire.com/trek/caver/page1.html, probably the most claustrophobia-inducing thing I've read.
Oh my fucking god these are freaking me out. I've been spelunking twice and I've been planning on going more, but holy shit these stories may make me reconsider. That is so insanely terrifying.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:49:52 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Posted this higher up but you should check out "Trapped!: Buried Alive: The Floyd Collins' Story." This guy also got stuck, but got stuck laying down, and rescuers and his family talked to him and sent him food for days before he died of exposure. Every attempt to rescue him just fails miserably.
Very good read!
fesxvx ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 08:46:59 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Totally random, and this will probably get buried, but one of the kids who died in that underground water cave was the singer of a pretty good Utah hardcore band called Parallax. For various reasons I ended up meeting a ton of people through my life who knew the guy or knew the band, and that story always stuck with me. Weird feeling seeing it pop up in the middle of a random thread. It seemed everyone I met in Utah knew about it.
Anyways, here's a link to Parallax's stuff in case anyone is curious.
According to an article they could have helped him, but instead choose to pray before calling 911, then stopped trying to get him out, which after caused him to fall back down.
Heard the same story. It was two people. One decided to turn back once they found the air pocket. The other got some air, decided to try to go further when he didn't know how far it was to the next oxygen source, and he drowned. Stupid way to die.
It escapes me right now, but one of those guys was in a pretty popular local hardcore band. I'll try to find the name......found it Parallax was the name.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:42:39 on December 16, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Oh gosh, I remember that story. My mom sent it to me when I moved out to Utah and started spelunking and it terrified me. The guy was alive and spoke to rescuers for a while before he finally fell unconscious. How horrible must it be to be stuck upside down in a cave, talking to people, knowing that you will die there and they cannot help you?
I don't know which would be worse: a painful death or a Kafkaesque one.
[deleted] ยท 181 points ยท Posted at 01:48:13 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Tragic, but really his fault. Number one thing they tell you when you go to nutty putty is ALWAYS GO FEET FIRST. He would have survived easily had he done that.
I just can't imagine why anyone would go head first downward into a tight space that you don't know for sure will open up. Seriously, it's just common sense.
247Brett ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 15:27:24 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
He thought he was going through another tunnel called "The Birth Canal" that actually does open up again. He wanted to go through headfirst but went down the wrong tunnel.
Could you imagine being in his place? Just a few minutes before you were enjoying yourself exploring a cave with some friends, when yoi fond yourself in an uncomfortable spot. You try to wiggle out of it, like you usually do, but you're having some trouble. You keep thinking you're okay, and that by the end of the day you'll get out and see your friends again.
Then, silently, realization sets in. This cave will be your tomb. Everything in your life ends in this hole. Do you panic? Scream? Cry? I'd assume you'd have enough time to yourself to do all three.
It's pretty cray. Reminds me a lot about the people who died exploring the dark, damp crypts underneath the city of Paris.
Seriously, this is my new least favorite way to die. It's a kind of casual, meaningless death that you'd kick yourself over (if you had room to kick). You've got the awkward anxiety of getting locked out of your car x10000000000.
The moment he went unconscious, I would have snapped his fucking legs off and dragged his ass out of there. Maybe he would survive, but at least his family would be able to bury a body.
Marinian ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 14:19:21 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I find the concept of pulling him out of the ground to put him back in strange.
Because if you pull him out shattering his legs, there's a chance he could live as minimal as it might be, it's still a better chance than doing nothing.
Tribat_1 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:44:39 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah Im thinking Id be upset to go out that way.. Fuck it. Id have em break the shit out of my legs, it would suck, but nothing sucks more than dying there.... Quietly.... Ugh. Horrible experience.
Hard to blame them though. If they broke his legs and dragged him out then dies of complications, they'd feel like murderers for the rest of their lives.
It'd be worth it to try, as he's fucked if they don't, pretty good chance of not being fucked if they do.
It might happen, it might not. I'll take the risk to save a man's life and lose everything I own than to idly stand by and watch him die because I was scared of getting sued. If we are going to let fear ruin our lives, we might as well sit inside all day and never go out.
Yeah that or gas me or something. If it was me I'd have a knife to my throat as soon as I knew I was permanently stuck.
[deleted] ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 07:01:47 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
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GeebusNZ ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 10:32:26 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Hauling him out would have broken his legs, very likely sending him into shock. How well do you think he's going to fare unconscious, broken legs, body doing other crazy things, upside-down with blood rushing to his head? Do you think it's appropriate to risk your own lives in order to buy him some few minutes, and nowhere near enough time to then be carried out of the system?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:46:57 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
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GeebusNZ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:57:31 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Everyone else got out alive and mostly uninjured. Shit happens, and while it's valiant to believe that all heroic measures should be taken to save someones life, there are situations where it's just not a reasonable idea. This same thinking is why there are so many corpses on Everest.
Right dude. You got it all figured out. Man, you shoulda been there instead of those 100 plus trained professionals and medical staff shit for brained morons. Fuckin people are so stupid right bro?
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:12:51 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
It's not you having a different opinion man. It's you going off on people for being stupid when you have nothing more than one article of information and a testimony from the guys brother. Just the notion that over 100 people including highly skilled medical professionals didn't weigh every option they had over a 27 hour ordeal is just retarded. Plain and simple
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:51:30 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
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Wires77 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:14:21 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I think he had fallen unconscious at that point
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 07:11:05 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
he had a young wife, and I believe his wife was pregnant or had just had a baby
Not to be insensitive, but what a selfish bastard going potholing.
jletha ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 06:23:03 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
That was not the only factors to consider. Even if he hadn't died they still had to get a person that could not use his legs back through the cave safely which was difficult for able bodied humans. It became very unsafe for the rescuers and it was likely one of them would have died even if they did break his legs.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 14:29:30 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I dunno, I'm thinking people are getting confused here because they think that because the article said they couldn't pull him out without breaking his legs, that breaking his legs was an option. But if you think about it, how the fuck are you going to break a dudes legs when he's trapped in that kind of confinement. Especially if it was a femur. People get their legs run over by buses and won't break their femurs in the process, that bone is insanely strong, so I don't really think they'd have had much of a way to get in there and snap his legs and then haul him out. And if you're just gonna tie something around the dude and yanked him out using enough force to snap his femurs, I'd say you're almost certainly going to kill him in the process anyway. There's not gonna be any clean and controlled way of doing it due to the confinement. I'm thinking they meant it more as, the only way he was coming out of that hole is if his legs were broken already, and having broken legs would've been the only way they could get him round that corner.
I can see how it would be difficult, but why is it likely one of them would have died?
GeebusNZ ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 10:35:03 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Because they would be doing extraordinarily difficult things to manipulate another human with broken legs (and numerous other health risk factors) while in an already challenging underground environment.
Did they just leave him there to die??? Jesus! If I was in that situation I would ask for a gun and put myself out of misery. Unless I was unconscious.
They wouldn't have gotten far. There are laws that protect first responders from lawsuits like that. For civilians at least, these are called "Good Samaritan" laws: for example, if you tried CPR on someone and got it wrong, but you were the only one there and it was all you could do, you couldn't be sued for it.
[deleted] ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 07:08:37 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
If you are trained in CPR. If you are not trained, pretty sure you won't get protected, as you may not know what the hell you are doing.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 08:17:50 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
no. look up good Samaritan laws. they protect anyone who tries their best to help a person in fatal/critical condition.
they don't have these laws in most of the undeveloped world (mostly just English common law countries), which is why no one ever helps each other when there's an incident.
I'm no doctor, but I'd have to imagine the surging adrenaline in his body from being stuck head first in a crevice, unable to get out, would help immensely with the broken legs.
[deleted] ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 04:31:37 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
"We have an idea, but it might kill him, so we'd better just let him die instead of killing him."
GeebusNZ ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 10:36:00 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Well, this situation is an unfortunate risk of what we're doing and it's likely he's going to die. Lets try killing him instead.
Because then they mightv'e been legally responsible for his death.
_Z_E_R_O ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 08:07:36 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
If I recall correctly there was a significant safety risk to the rescuers. One of them was seriously injured trying to get him out, and that was before he slipped deeper into the hole.
Why not drug him then break his legs? Wouldn't any strong opiate/narcotic allow his body to go limp. I understand it may effect his breathing/brain since they were being filled with fluid, but it would of been a chance or at worst a peaceful death.
Of course they thought of that. However, good luck making quick work of solid rock with the kind of tools you can get into crevices your body already barely fits through.
frapo ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 06:31:30 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Not to mention the danger of a cave in killing everyone involved....
Podo13 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:39:24 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
And the dust created by striking through that rock making it even harder to breathe.
Gotta get a drill, then get it down there, then get electicity/water/air/whatever to power it, Ventilation, a way to remove the fallen dirt, etc.
That takes time, and time isn't something he had unfortunately.
Also drilling and hacking at caves is asking for trouble without proper support and preparation.
Further reading also shows that they were mostly relying on prayers anyways which says enough.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:05:14 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I don't think it's that easy to get that kind of equipment there
jletha ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:27:59 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
First, get drills and power to areas where its barely big enough for fit humans to make it. Next, drill rock in a tiny cave around the dying mans head and the rescuers with no ventilation. Keep drilling until you can just pull him out, even though there isn't enough room for anyone to really move in there anyway.
Did you even look at the picture? There's no way in hell they're getting drilling equipment down there when the rescuers could barely fit through the tunnels that lead to him.
kingeryck ยท 201 points ยท Posted at 01:51:16 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
What I want to know is why he crawled in there in the first place!
Well if you look at a lot of cave diving videos, there are a ton of absolutely tiny crawlspaces. This guy probably wondered if it opened up and then got trapped. Curiosity killed the cat, so to speak.
Drasern ยท 102 points ยท Posted at 07:20:58 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
What a fucking stupid hobby. Let's climb head first into this super narrow, completely uncharted tunnel, on the off chance it opens into anything more interesting then an empty cave.
natmccoy ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 07:44:57 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I don't think the goal is an off chance, the best they are hoping for is an empty cave.
Seriously. If he was a 20-something with no wife or kids, it would not have been as bad.
He had a pregnant wife and a baby daughter. Yes the chance he dies is low, but why take the risk? If cave-diving is your hobby, stick to safe and well-mapped regions of the cave.
katzeyez ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 08:56:41 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Or use those showerhose-mounted camera snakey thingies so you at least know what's ahead, and don't have to risk your life shoving your face into something you can't pull out of..
or even just carrying a couple of rocks with you to drop into the tunnel and find out if it continues.
GeebusNZ ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 10:42:58 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
What's the difference between this guy and a guy who is killed by their hobby/passion in car racing? Or someone who is killed in a Hunting accident? Or any number of other activities where there is risk of death.
All a matter of what you think is 'too risky'. Everyone draws the line somewhere. Then again, hindsight is 20/20 and this guy definitely wouldn't have gone off on his own if he thought he would get stuck. I feel bad for the guy.
K20BB5 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 13:03:55 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Crawling headfirst into an unchartered narrow tunnel is a little different than driving fast cars in my opinion
[deleted] ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 13:09:03 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
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K20BB5 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:39:04 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
You are really not safer caving. If you can't see the difference between crawling head first into a tiny hole with no known outlet and driving 80 on the highway then I don't know what to tell you
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:38:45 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
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gwarwars ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:25:41 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
It's almost as if there are more people who travel by automobile than there are cavers...
K20BB5 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 01:07:39 on December 16, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Again, driving is considerably safer than crawling head first into a narrow hole with no idea if it leads anywhere. More people drive, so more people die. Can you really not see that? I'm not saying caving is stupid I'm saying what this guy did was
Uphoria ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 01:32:09 on December 16, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
we are talking about people persuing hobbies by danger and you made this about an random schmuck going head-first down a dark hole to a professional/trained drivers racing.
I don't know why you keep re-writing your point to make it look like I don't know what I am talking about, but I was done a long time ago when people decided to downvote because their gut feeling says I'm wrong.
You're a moron. The automobile/caving comparison is extremely inaccurate because hundreds of millions of people drive while only a fraction of a fraction of that amount are cavers.
Uphoria ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:23:51 on December 16, 2015 ยท (Permalink)*
You're a moron.
I guess you can't read good, because I said "per capita" as in - on normalized rate, like X/100.
Why are you so angry? Is it your assumptions both on how safe driving is, and how dangerous and deadly spelunking is?
I know exactly what per capita means. I think you're the one mistaken here.
More people drive, so the amount of deaths per XXX persons in a country while driving is higher than the amount of deaths per XXX persons due to spelunking.
Take a group of 1 million people. 200 000 of them drive, and 500 died due to car crashes. 500 of them cave dive and 50 died during cave dives. In this scenario, less cave divers die, but the % compared to total cave divers is higher.
Uphoria ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:17:10 on December 16, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I understand the math of what you are saying - I am saying that you are greatly exagerating the death rate, per capita (percentage whatever) of them.
Lots of people use safety equipment, ropes, etc. Even people who are injured etc. But to -die- while caving is not all that common these days.
that is my point. Its like flying. People think flying is dangerous, but your chances to die while flying are significantly lower then driving to the corner store, each time you drive.
DeemDNB ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 13:05:47 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
For me the difference is a car racer, or a base jumper, or whatever, they know that so long as they do everything right and the conditions are right, they're okay. This guy just went, "Hey, I wonder if this impossibly tiny tight hole in the ground opens up somewhere? Well, I guess not, now I'm fucked."
And I think it's just so unnatural to want to be in a tiny tunnel underground.
For me the difference is a car racer, or a base jumper, or whatever, they know that so long as they do everything right and the conditions are right, they're okay.
As if cave explorers don't do the exact same thing. The hobby isn't stupid. It was the explorer who was stupid. He didn't take the right precautions that most other cavers do.
And I think it's just so unnatural to want to be in a tiny tunnel underground.
It wouldn't appeal to me, so therefore it is stupid.
DeemDNB ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 23:06:02 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
How is that the same thing? If it's an unexplored cave, they have no way of knowing whether it opens up or not, or if it just stops in a dead end. There's no equivalent to that in the two sports I mentioned. You can't jump off a cliff and discover that it's the kind of air you can't use a parachute in. Or race down a road and discover that you can't use brakes on that type of road.
Also, you're twisting my words, I never said 'stupid'. I was just adding my personal opinion, that's why I said, "I think".
There are safety precautions in place for cavers. This person seemed to ignore them. There are camera to explore uncharted caverns. There are safe ways of manually exploring.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:56:37 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
He just did it fucking stupid. You're supposed to go feet first with your body facing towards the wall, so if you land somewhere you are able to still climb back out/be rescued.
Here I am working out, trying to travel the world and go to music events and stuff and there's people willingly climbing through these narrow ass holes?!
Humans really are nuts at times
GeebusNZ ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 10:39:57 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
If you can identify your own desire for exploration with traveling the world and going to musiv events, why can't you get that these are people who explore different? Your idea of grand adventure might be backpacking way off the tourist track, well, these guys version is going poking around holes in the surface of the Earth to see where they go.
I guess it's just the fact that regardless, you end up in empty hole with barely enough room to move around.
You're right though. I shouldn't be talking about it like that if I don't share that passion. It just seems bizarre that people do that for fun. I knew walking around and exploring normal caves was a thing but crawling head first through them just did not add up
[deleted] ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 11:09:21 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Cause yall white people are some adventurous motherfuckers, that's why.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:15:19 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
It sounds kind of crazy after reading this article, but I was in a cave with three friends once doing something similar. It was relatively unexplored as far as we knew. Well it was full of narrow tunnels on the roof and the side that just kind loop back on themselves and the three main rooms. It was just super fun and addictive to crawl up into a hole in the roof, squeeze through a tunnel, and pop out into another room that you had already been in. We explored it pretty thoroughly, crawling into all the little spaces, but I never really got the sense that it was that dangerous, I guess it could have been!
Still I'd like to think that none of us would have gone down a hole like that without seeing the bottom and whether or not it opened up.
PerogiXW ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:24:04 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Cavers are explorers, and the infographic says it was an unmapped section, so I suppose he wanted to be the first. Terrible way to go, not worth it in my opinion but I suppose someone has to explore caves.
There was one passage that was passable called the birth canal.
He thought he was going through that one but was mistaken and went into an unknown one instead.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 11:38:00 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
i remember reading somewhere that they did end up breaking his legs trying to pull him out. once the bone gives way, any more tugging will just pull that sucker apart like a corn dog without a broken stick.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:57:36 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Just in case, take this comment as me formally authorizing you guys to just break my shit if it comes down to this.
Perhaps there was no leverage? Breaking a man's legs in a confined space is next to impossible I imagine. Pulling on the ropes so hard his legs would break wouldn't work because the rope or the attachment point would give way long before his legs would I think. His ligaments would tear and joints would dislocate before bones would break. Not as easy as you might think.
If you read the whole story of it, there's just heaps of crazy and confusing stuff that happened. Taking ages to report it, having lunch breaks, praying before they did anything. It's all weird.
Why would you even drag yourself into a crawl space that tiny and twisted?
[deleted] ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 07:22:52 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
He started getting tighter and was hoping for it to open into a chamber so he could come out headfirst I bet.
natmccoy ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 07:47:30 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
The same reason people scuba dive 400 feet deep in tiny caves, or fly wing suits through canyons, or climb cliffs without ropes; adventure & excitement.
Except if you smack into the side of the canyon, you probably will end up dead quickly. If not, you can try and survive in the wilderness, instead of being trapped in a rock coffin upside down.
I used to be into caving. I've been in spots so tight you had to exhale all the air in your lungs, put your arms in front of you and push yourself through with your feet. However, I did most of my caving in caves that had already been mapped.
DerpGrub ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 06:48:53 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
"the space was too narrow to pull him backward without breaking his legs" "so we just let him die".. fuck that if i got stuck like that break whatever you need to just get me the fuck out.
GeebusNZ ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 10:44:56 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
You seem to be forgetting that breaking his legs might get him out of the hole, but then he's got to get out of the cave with broken legs. Also, broken legs, upside down, probably go into shock from the pain, great plan to just pull and break and go.
So the better idea is just to leave him? "You might get out, but you might die, so we're just going to leave you here."
GeebusNZ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:00:03 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Realistically, hauling him out would have killed him, with an outside chance of getting him out of one life-threatening situation and into an equally life-threatening one. There comes a point where you have to accept you're doing something dangerous and death is a risk factor.
Going from life threatening to life threatening is significantly better than going from life threatening to guaranteed because of someone else's choice.
GeebusNZ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:10:41 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
How small a chance is too small a chance that it's not a risk worth taking? What is the limit?
It depends on the risk to them, this wasn't a situation that would put the others into a massive risk.
GeebusNZ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:27:20 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Hauling someone out of a hole, breaking their legs in the process, so that they would then have to carry a person who was unable to navigate the already difficult cave system due to physical damage, and likely unconscious from the trauma of their extrication, would not have posed a massive risk?
I'm not claustrophobic or anything but I wouldn't do that. If the cave is getting too tight for me to turn around in, I don't need to go any further.
Teid ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:57:56 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
So small fact about me. I am terrified of this happening to me and I will never go in caves for this exact reason. Thanks to your picture I have now concluded I will not sleep and would rather throw up the last few meals I've had. Thanks!
I am not afraid of small spaces, not getting stuck in them, but I am terrified of this sort of thing, this and those guys who do the underwater caves as well. even looking at that gives me anxiety. the whole being stuck unable to turn around, in a place so unaccessable you couldn't be rescued or helped.
I clicked it and now I'm just going "NOPE" over and over.
I thought for a while that caving seemed like a pretty cool thing to try because caves are such unique biological environments and stuff, but now...NOPE.
If this is what you do for fun you get what you deserve
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:43:47 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Holy fuck.
No no no no no no no fucking way man.
Ugh, i no longer fear dying any other way. This is horrible. I'm the kid that used to freak out when there was more than one of us squeezing by eachother in those McDonald's playground tubes.
There's a video of a stripper getting stuck between two lockers with enough space for one to go through. She was head first. Anyone want to see the video I can link it.
[deleted] ยท 128 points ยท Posted at 02:40:05 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
cue relevant creepy-ass manga of people going in holes of their shapes
Gibbsey ยท 45 points ยท Posted at 06:18:30 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
This hole was meant for me
DRR DRR DRR DRR DRR DRR DRR
Qwertdd ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 12:12:04 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
What the hell is that actually supposed to sound like? I just imagine some middle schooler yelling "durr durr" in a stupid voice. Sorta ruins the creepyness :(
I think its supposed to be a scraping noise, when I read the manga I wasn't sure the first time, but when I wound up reading it again, I realized that it might be the sound of the creature scraping against the stone walls
Qwertdd ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:53:21 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)*
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 04:31:35 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
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Kazan ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 07:11:24 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Rescuers manage to pull man up, but then leave him hanging for hours while they celebrate.
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Apkoha ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 07:20:11 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Rescuers manage to pull man up, but then leave him hanging for hours while they celebrate.
do you really think they just left him hanging there? Likely it was poor writing, as in they started to pull him to safety and started to celebrate.. as you can't just fucking yank him out of the ground in 2 mins.. they were going slow once they had him released in case he was injuried or as to not cause any additional injuries. It's clear once they had him free and was bringing him up they felt it was safe to celebrate.
You guys want to call these dudes idiots for praying before calling 911 but at the same time you think they cleared him of the hole, got him outside and then left him dangling above it for hours while they partied.
I mean, look at this shit https://i.imgur.com/cxEkp1O.jpg Do you think that's something they could just pull him out of in 20 mins once his head was free?
The rescuers were tired and they are not celebrating, they were fucking eating because they need some energy to continue the rescue (there were a lot of work to do).
Why not? They made a movie about a dude getting his hand trapped between two rocks.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:16:10 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
That was the first King book I ever read. The part that got to me was the description of getting shot in the gut. I was rolling on my bed having a hard time finishing that part.
DeemDNB ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:18:48 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
There's also a part in one of Lee Child's Jack Reacher books that has an incredible bit about being stuck in a tiny tunnel. I've never felt so anxious reading a book before. From Die Trying:
He flicked the flashlight beam around the cavern. The rats were staying away from him. They were interested in the darkness in back. They're deserting me, he thought. Deserting the sinking ship. Then his mind clicked in again. No, they're interested in the tunnels, he thought. Because tunnels lead places. He remembered the giant mouse holes blasted into the rock face, north wall of the bowl. Maybe all interconnected by these narrow seams in back.
He ran back into the depth of the cavern, past the trucks, past the grotesque heap of corpses. Back to where he could no longer stand. A rat disappeared into the seam to his left. He dropped to his stomach and flicked the flashlight on. Crawled after it.
The roof was too low for Reacher to climb over the bones. He had to push them aside and crawl through them. The rats showed no interest. These bones were picked clean. Their new feast lay back inside the cavern. They swarmed back in that direction. He held the flashlight out in front of him and pushed on into the mountain against the squealing tide.
He lost his sense of direction. He hoped he was going roughly west, but he couldn't tell. The roof came down to a couple of feet. He was crawling through an old geological seam, excavated long ago for its ore. The roof came down even more. Down to a foot and a half. It was cold. The seam narrowed. His arms were out in front of him. The seam became too narrow to pull them back. He was crawling down a slim rock tube, a billion tons of mountain above him, no idea where he was going. And the flashlight was failing. The battery was spent. Its light was fading to a dull orange glow.
He was breathing hard. And shaking. Not from exertion. From dread. From terror. This was not what he had expected. He had visualized a stroll down a spacious abandoned gallery. Not this narrow crack in the rock. He was pushing himself headfirst into his worst childhood nightmare. He was a guy who had survived most things, and he was a guy who was rarely afraid. But he had known since his early boyhood that he was terrified of being trapped in the dark in a space too small to turn his giant frame. All his damp childhood nightmares had been about being closed into tight spaces. He lay on his stomach and screwed his eyes shut. Lay and panted and gagged. Forced the air in and out through his clamping throat. Then he inched himself slowly onward into the nightmare.
The glow from the flashlight finally died a hundred yards into the tunnel. The darkness was total. The seam was narrowing. It was pushing his shoulders down. He was forcing himself into a space that was way too small for him. His face was forced sideways. He fought to stay calm. He remembered what he had said to Borken: people were smaller then. Scrappy little guys, migrating west, seeking their fortune in the bowels of the mountain. People half the size of Reacher, squirming along, maybe on their backs, chipping the bright veins out of the rock roof.
He was using the dead flashlight like a blind man uses a white cane. It smashed on solid rock two feet ahead of his face. He heard the tinkle of glass over the rasping of his breath. He struggled ahead and felt with his hands. A solid wall. The tunnel went no farther. He tried to move backward. He couldn't move at all. To push himself backward with his hands, he had to raise his chest to get leverage. But the roof was too low to let him do that. His shoulders were jammed up hard against it. He could get no leverage. His feet could push him forward, but they couldn't pull him backward. He went rigid with panic. His throat clamped solid. His head hit the roof and his cheek hit the grit floor. He fought a scream by breathing fast.
He had to go back. He hooked his toes into the grit. Turned his hands inward and planted his thumbs on the floor. Pulled with his toes and pushed with his thumbs. He moved backward a fraction and then the rock clamped hard against his sides. To slide his weight backward, his shoulder muscles were bunching and jamming against the rock. He breathed out and let his arms go limp. Pulled with his toes. They scrabbled uselessly in the grit. He helped them with his thumbs. His shoulders bunched and jammed again. He jerked his hips from side to side. He had a couple of inches to spare. He smashed his hands into the shale and heaved backward. His body jammed solid, like a wedge in a door. He tilted sideways and banged his cheek on the roof. Jerked back down and caught his other cheek on the floor. The rock was crushing in on his ribs. This time, he couldn't fight the scream. He had to let it go. He opened his mouth and wailed in terror. The air in his lungs crushed his chest against the floor and his back against the roof.
He couldn't tell if his eyes were open or shut. He pushed forward with his feet and regained the inch he'd moved back. He stretched with his arms. Felt up ahead again. His shoulders were jammed so tight he couldn't move his hands through much of an angle. He spread his fingers and scrabbled them left and right, up and down. Solid rock ahead. No way to go forward. No way to move backward.
He was going to die trapped inside the mountain. He knew it. The rats knew it. They were sniffing up behind him. Coming closer. He felt them at his feet. He kicked out and sent them squealing away. But they came back. He felt their weight on his legs. They were swarming over him. They burrowed up around his shoulders. Slid under his armpits. He felt cold oily fur on his face as they forced their way past. The flick of their tails as they ran ahead.
One of my favourite passages in any book is the part in Jim Thompson's The Getaway where Carol gets stuck trying to sit up in a tiny cave she's hiding in. She thinks she's been tricked into going in and has been abandoned. Not only is it one of the most viscerally terrifying things I've read, it's also a beautiful and elegant metaphor for self doubt and paranoia within a relationship.
Someone posted an article about this incident. The whole thing was the dumbest thing I have ever read. I think the combined IQ of everyone involved is in the single digits. Copied my comment and article below:
Man, reading the article about that made my head hurt.
"We'll never fully understand how or why it was John's time to leave us. But we find comfort knowing that he fulfilled his purpose here on Earth, and that we will be reunited with him again"
What? No, it's very clear why and how he died. He climbed into a very difficult cave, and instead of staying with the group he "decided to explore a different route" by himself.
Josh Jones said that once he first realized his brother was stuck, his first instinct was to pray. Those in the cave offered what he called a "series of prayers" before making the decision to call 911 around 9:30 p.m.
What the hell is going on here? Is a group of 10 grown men seriously just sitting next to the hole where they know their friend is stuck upside down and just praying? For how long? Why not pray after you call for help?
it was around 4:30 p.m. Wednesday when rescuers got him loose. They were able to give him an IV, food and water. He also received a needed morale boost after he was able to talk to his wife over a police radio.
For a few hours there were sighs of tentative relief. They finally cracked open the boxes of pizza and cases of water, and broke out in smiles suggesting the worst was over.
That only lasted for a few hours.
They actually freed and suspended him, then just stopped and celebrated for "a few hours" until an "equipment failure" dropped him back in the hole. Wat. And apparently the "equipment failure" was one of the bolts holding the rope coming out of the wall. So during this entire time, not only were they not working on getting him farther out, no one even checked or secured the line.
Okay, just ignore what I said in my first message.
elynnism ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:26:25 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I think what he's saying, related to the original story, is that they pulled him to a certain part and then left him there to have pizza. When they came back the bolt came loose.
You're saying the bolt was loose regardless of whenever they'd start the process again so the hours they were gone didn't matter.
However those hours did matter, they could have did repairs or thought of another way to rescue him. It just all seems ridiculous.
They actually freed and suspended him, then just stopped and celebrated for "a few hours" until an "equipment failure" dropped him back in the hole. Wat. And apparently the "equipment failure" was one of the bolts holding the rope coming out of the wall. So during this entire time, not only were they not working on getting him farther out, no one even checked or secured the line.
The praying and stuff is certainly silly.
As to the pizza and water, I presume that this is just lazy reporting: there was reportedly up to 100 people involved in the rescue and once he was secured, only a handful would be involved in pulling him out/guiding him. I would assume that they were at this point trying to gradually winch him out of the cave which would still be a long and relatively delicate process as they need to get him past the obstructive geometry.
As to the bolts coming out of the wall, this stuff is pretty hard to determine. Bolts are damn strong, but they're only as strong as the surface they're attached to, and when you're setting them up in an impromptu emergency you don't have the luxury of choosing what rock to place it in.
You can't blame the rescue guys here. The guy and his brother crawled into there and they got themselves in trouble. The rescue did everything they could to get him out. As to those in the cave offering prayers before calling 911... Plain stupid
There is a bit of disagreement between sources about the rescue effort, maybe it wasn't so bad. But the guy and his family are definitely irredeemably stupid.
[deleted] ยท 210 points ยท Posted at 02:48:08 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
What the hell is going on here? Is a group of 10 grown men seriously just sitting next to the hole where they know their friend is stuck upside down and just praying? For how long? Why not pray after you call for help?
Wow, I'm religious and I found that to be so incredibly dumb. Call 911 then pray. Seriously wtf.
I feel like it's just more of a common sense type thing. I'd say most people that are considered more religious than your average Joe would still find it absolutely ridiculous to sit around together and pray before getting help.
It makes a lot more sense if you go with the implied interpretation in the article, rather than /u/Silent_Talker's colorfully incorrect interpretation. When they first found him, he was fine and in good spirits, probably just thought he'd made a dumb mistake and needed a helping hand to get out.
His friends found him, probably laughed a bit at his misfortune, tried to help, couldn't do it, said some prayers, tried again... and began to realize the seriousness of the situation. Then called 911. One of the articles quoted the CoS and said that when the actual rescue workers got there he was still fine and and good spirits, probably embarrassed that they'd had to call so much help.
Nobody thought that this kid would actually die, it was a grim realization after rescue efforts were hindered every step of the way.
And I'll guarantee that there wasn't a "Okay everybody let's have a pizza party!" moment. Rescue workers, like everybody else, need sustenance. And you can't put that fact off forever during a rescue effort (though I've seen people try).
Source: Actually reading the article, and Wilderness EMT who's been a part of a few S&R efforts.
[deleted] ยท 353 points ยท Posted at 01:51:06 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
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Kazan ยท 112 points ยท Posted at 06:57:57 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)*
This. My climbing friends in high school were mormons. One time - after copious safety lectures from their father, their brother, and myself - we took their younger (12 year old) twin bothers climbing with us. on the scramble next to the cliff one of them got cocky and started hopping down. ended up tumbling and taking the equivalent of about a 15 foot fall (and missing hitting his head on a rock by like 6" lucky fucker). While I was doing field medical assessment their brother scrambled up the ravine (stair stepping blocks) and to the car to get the holy oil. By the time he got back I had already determined that his brother had broken nothing and would be fine - of course we should take him to the ER to confirm.
ER confirms my assessment.
Brother credits the holy oil.
i bit my tongue.
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I'm also Search and Rescue certified (Though not on active service because i just had cancer surgery)... you should see our mission reports. the details of how people get into situations where they need us..
elltim92 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 10:03:07 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
What kind of training is there to SaR certs? Are you cave SaR?
I hope the surgery went well!
Kazan ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:10:01 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I'm Explorer SAR - which is ground pounder. We do on and off trail search, subject recovery, etc.
Basic certification for ESAR out here involves a rather intensive training course in survival, navigation, basic first aid augmented with wilderness and subject handling (there are a lot of EMTs in the unit so you will usually end up playing second fiddle medically). One stage of the training I essentially call an adventure race, that's also the stage the culls the most people - if you don't have good navigation fundamentals (you and your team) you will not pass.
Enhanced certifications includes snow & avalanche, rigging (rope), high angle, etc.
elltim92 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:04:16 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Pretty cool stuff. I'm an EMT & in fire/rescue, but I don't live near enough to any woods or wilderness to do it, but I'd be interested if I were closer.
We did assist on a search once but it was mainly for manpower. We just went door to door with flyers
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 14:45:45 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
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Kazan ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:05:31 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
One of the really common bonehead ones is people doing a 4000ft mountain with no gear and getting caught out after dark with no lights. there is a particular mountain that this happens on at least once per month during the summer.
Then there are the people you'll see up above snow line with zero snow gear...
There was a guy on july 5th who was doing a 3000' mountain, 4 miles (Each way) trail. he'd done it before so he knew. Very popular mountain out here (Mt Si). He started cramping at the bottom and decided to tough it out. It was a 97 degree day with high humidity (very rare for out here), but he had plenty of water so he gave it a go (was carrying no food). By the time he got 100 yards short of the top he was in hypertensive crisis (bp 210/140) and muscle convulsions.
I'm Morman, and while there are procedures to help heal, it sounds like none of those people have common sense. To me, using oil or praying is what you do waiting for an ambulance if there's nothing else to be doing, or in the actual hospital. Can we chalk this up to stupid people and bad luck and not a religious issue?
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 17:42:28 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
when a religion convinces people to believe ridiculous things, it's a religious issue
Listen, your religion can involve covering yourself in ketchup while watching Friends re-runs. I don't care. But do that shit AFTER you called the cops. You will have plenty of time while you wait for them to come/during the rescue effort.
I don't see how any of their actions can be explained or justified.
[deleted] ยท 96 points ยท Posted at 02:05:19 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Ok, you mean the whole "why did he have to leave us" part? That's more understandable. But still, when people usually say things like that, it's in reaction to random/uncontrollable events like disease or natural disasters. Things that could be called "acts of god".
This incident, however, is clearly caused by human actions and decisions, with very little of it being surprising (other than the fact that adults actually made those decisions). I don't really feel that it makes sense. I think that it is too much for any religion to push even the direct results of their decisions on to god.
jdovew ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 06:22:18 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
As an exmormon, I'll offer a more cynical perspective. These men grew up on stories of men like them, who had the "priesthood," or power of God. These stories involved people in life-threatening situations saThose in the cave offered what he called a "series of prayers"ved by divine intervention, and praying after calling the police is like telling God you basically don't trust him wholly.
I'm not throwing the blame on their faith completely, but it's a huge factor, especially if the group was a Church-sanctioned trip.
Those in the cave offered what he called a "series of prayers"
This is Mormon code for invoking their special powers.
Magnon ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 08:17:20 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
They probably blamed it on an act of god because it was too much to handle that they had been responsible for killing him.
Your next instinct should be to stop being Mormon.
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 04:35:29 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:15:30 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Do you deal with this type of stuff a lot on reddit? I can imagine it getting real old after a while.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 15:24:46 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:34:43 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Good for you, man. It just makes me laugh a little when I see dudes like that on reddit that are so eager to show how superior they are because they believe something different then you.
You might be sensible enough to act quickly to save a life but the fact is the vast majority of your religious organization is not. Whether prayer works is beside the point- people actually prioritize it over emergency services.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:41:30 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
You're reading this guy wrong. He's not trying to explain or justify the correctness of these actions due to the participant's religion, he's saying that nutty cults can fuck up your thought processes bad enough that these people literally couldn't operate in a rational manner. A lot of cultists are indoctrinated enough that they believe that prayer is actually better and more effective than simply doing something real.
And to all you downvoters, call it edgy or whatever you want, but religion really has done more harm than good as of late. Here is an extremely relevant topic from this sub. In addition, (1) here (2) are (3) some very informative posts from said topic. Religion was meant to bring people together and make the world a better place, but that is clearly not the case today.
psinguine ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 02:34:00 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
My whole life I have been very careful with knives. My dad, when he was younger, nearly lost all of the fingers on his right hand because he was fucking around with a buck knife. Other parents teach gun safety. Mine taught knife safety. He made me wear cut resistant gloves to butter my toast for God's sake. He instilled a fear of lacerations and a respect for knives that has thrived in me as it thrived in him.
And it was all for nothing, because I just cut myself on that edge.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 08:35:10 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
And here I thought you were about to relate your dad teaching knife safety with religion somehow.
"i cant believe how something that's been around for several thousand years and has several billion followers is still around. how dare they teach about love and kindness!"
don't generalize. it makes you look like an ass.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:59:25 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Why would you call the cops before watching friends while covered in ketchup
There was a gif posted today. It was an Asian chick in a tub of ketchup, dumping out a bag of fries onto a table and then dumping ketchup on it. She was wearing a bikini, so Reddit got a boner.
I actually believed that I had the power to raise the dead as a Mormon. This is just to put into perspective the belief that these people had in praying for him.
They thought for sure his magic underwear would protect him.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:21:33 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Whoa, I thought you were being a shit talker , not a silent talker until I read this! What in the actual fuck?
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 07:12:10 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)*
They actually freed and suspended him, then just stopped and celebrated for "a few hours" until an "equipment failure" dropped him back in the hole. Wat. And apparently the "equipment failure" was one of the bolts holding the rope coming out of the wall. So during this entire time, not only were they not working on getting him farther out, no one even checked or secured the line.
I googled around and it seems he might have only been "rescued" for 30 minutes (Source 1 & 2 that I'll put at bottom. The 3rd source is definitely more credible as it is Salt Lake Tribute)
It seems like they put him on a leveled area and gave him food and water while they figured out what to do with the next steps of the rescue because they couldn't just yank him out at that point. (Source 2 and 3)
It seems like the rescuers did everything right. If we take their word for it, it wasn't equipment failure but just act of nature (Source: 1, 2, 3). All-in-all, just a difficult and shitty situation.
Source 2 states that it was, in fact, equipment failure:
one of the devices of that system failed
Source 1 is just a summary of source 3, so it basically doesn't count as a source.
So now we have two conflicting sources and I don't see how you can say one is better than the other
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 08:33:38 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Source 2 states that it was, in fact, equipment failure:
You're right. Corrected.
Source 1 is just a summary of source 3, so it basically doesn't count as a source.
You're correct here as well.
So now we have two conflicting sources and I don't see how you can say one is better than the other
30 minutes vs hours is a pretty critical difference but looking at how the situation looked I honestly wouldn't be surprised if they were spending the time rejoicing their little success and trying to figure how to pull the guy out. <- that part I think is more important in a sense because it seems like people aren't sure how Jones was placed.
It's seems likely that he wasn't just dangling on the equipment but was placed at what they thought was a "secure" area. Looking at the various illustrations of what the situation was like... it does seem like an incredibly tough situation for the rescuers.
I honestly think the original article posted wasn't really well written so I personally give slightly more credit to the SL tribune's article and CNN.
And yet again, I just finished a bottle of Remy while reading this whole thread so I'm probably compromised as well.
icamom ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 09:01:37 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Mormons are taught that god fixes things that are obviously done by people. The delusion is reinforced over and over again. Just a few I heard:
-God healed a sick boy that had leukemia and the doctors couldn't explain it. (When the boy had over a year of treatments including a bone marrow transplant.)
-God healed a woman with a serious blood infection after she was given a blessing. (And had spent 15 days in the hospital.)
-God brought down the fever in a sick girl when the family was camping and couldn't get medical help (after taking Tylenol)
Mormons have this weird combination of getting medical attention and praying, but always attributing healing to god.
I failed a first aid test at a mormon camp for not making sure the victims got blessed as well as treated.
elltim92 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 10:07:01 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Not that I'm siding with the mormons here, but in EMT school if you don't say the magic words before treating a patient, it's a critical failure. For reference, critical failures also include not giving CPR on a dead [dummy], and giving your patient fatal drugs.
'Josh Jones said that once he first realized his brother was stuck, his first instinct was to pray. Those in the cave offered what he called a "series of prayers" before making the decision to call 911 around 9:30 p.m."
This is how the rest of the world thinks all Americans would react in this situation.
FloppyG ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:02:00 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Psychopaths.
jpop23mn ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:45:33 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
You would think once the got him hoisted up they could get some chop saws in there and just start cutting rock like crazy. Fuck the pizza, make sure he stays hoisted.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:09:22 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Oh my fucking god that is actually the most hysterical thing I've ever read HAHAHAHAHHA
I dont think they actually sat and ate pizza for 2 hours... they just ate it and then a couple hours later (probably still working to get him out) things went to shit. Also they probably had to climb out in order to call 911 so i dont see anything wrong with a quick 30 sec prayer before doing that.
how did they free and suspend him? I keep reading comments that they couldn't pull him out at all otherwise his legs would break. How was he somewhat freed in the first place?
Apkoha ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:18:50 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I hope you never work search and rescue since you believe that you can just yank someone out of some narrow ass twisty cave in like 5 mins. I mean honestly, do you think they just did nothing for a "few hours"?
You realized in 86 it took 6 hours to get a trapped baby out of a well, and that was just a hole in the ground, not a bunch of twisty, narrow passages.
It's not that simple. There's actually a high chance of him dying if his legs were broken while he's suspended upside down. And with that "pizza party" you're talking about, John was only partly "free" during that time and the rescuers are all tired with a lot lot of way to go (the area was still really tight too and they are already several hours into the rescue). So yes, even if it was unfortunate, it was still the best decision at that time.
That's enough for me to conclude that all involved should have been sealed in the cave. These sound like people who have nothing positive to offer civilization.
No, he was upside down. Eventually the bodies liquid will build in the upper body including the head and chest cavity likely making it harder to breathe, and eventually falling unconscious...then just not waking up.
That's..... weirdly, not as bad as I was imagining
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:02:29 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Damn that's gotta be terrifying.
[deleted] ยท 29 points ยท Posted at 02:23:55 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I lived near that cave in the 1990s. Back then access was completely unmanaged and anyone could go there. You would have carloads of teenagers making "Nutty Putty" trips on the weekend. In all those years of unrestricted access nobody ever died or as far as I know got seriously injured there.
It was only shortly after access was restricted and permission was required to enter that someone died in it.
Repealer ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 07:14:14 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
emilyjun ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 08:35:44 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
My best friend dated his brother... When she told me the story I couldn't sleep. His family took turns to go speak with him until he died. Incredibly sad.
When you go into tunnels like this you're just asking to die.
Acharai ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:28:02 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I remember my first time in a caving tour, we had one small section of maybe 10 feet where we had to squeeze through a narrow hole on our belly. Might have been the most terrifying moment of my life. I can't possible imagine being stuck like that waiting to die.
I really don't like it when I can't move my arms. I'm now sitting at my desk at work, flinging them about like someone's playing Flappy Dork.
Minani ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:43:44 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Wow. This brings back memories from when I went into a cave in Brazil. I was with a group and a guide, and I noped the frick out when the guide told us to split up and told my group to take the crawl-on-your-stomach-through-the-darkness route. Without claustrophobia, the whole cave tour was great and fun. I'm so glad I was a coward!
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:59:46 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I read about that one recently. Here is an article for anyone who wants to feel really shitty:
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:41:55 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
If you are into caving tragedy, read "Trapped!: Buried Alive" the Floyd Collins story. He also got trapped, but it took him days to die of exposure while his family waited for him to be rescued. Super interesting account and very well-written.
During the Rwandan genocide some families were herded into a drop toilet pit and then enclosed so that they would slowly succumb to the gases and drown in shit, in the darkness, unsure if they were ever getting out.
I learned this in the Rwandan genocide Museum but do not know the name of the villages where this happened.
There are multiple instances of people drowning in pig sewage pits. They get close, pass out from the fumes, and drown. Worse, a relative will attempt a rescue, pass out and also drown. A farmer near were I live died this way in the ninties and two sons who tried to save him also died.
MtlGab ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:11:41 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Anyone who had the unpleasant experience of drowning in the shell holes of World War 1 battlefields.
After enduring the endless artillery barrages and pouring rain, men were unlucky enough to fall into bottomless pits of not just mud, but rotting remains, flung fecal matter and the run off of poison gas.
Slowly sinking into death because you took a wrong step because you had been kept up by 4 days worth of shelling, unable to be saved by your mates because they would only join you....
Definitely not the chivalrous, glory-filled gentleman's war that the people back home were convinced was happening.
greyetch ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:10:57 on December 16, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
That entire war seems unimaginable. I would love to see a film actually get it right, it'd be harrowing. Check out "Our War" on netflix if you're interested in WWI. It does a decent job.
Octavia Hatcher. In 1889 she was married to a wealthy hotelier James Hatcher. They had a son Jacob who died shortly after birth in 1891. The death of Jacob hit Octavia hard and she was bed ridden with depression. She soon fell ill and slipped into a coma. She finally died on May 2nd, 1891. Because of the heat, and as embalmbing was not a common practice, she was quickly buried. Shortly after however other people from the town were falling ill and going into comas. Doctors at the time were perplexed what could be causing it. However, as the comatose patients regained conciseness James Hatcher started to wonder if his wife died of depression or this same illness. He secured an emergency exhumation and dug up Octavia's casket. It was not air tight and when it was opened the lining on the casket had been torn to shreds and her nails were ground and bloody. Her face was also contorted into an expression of pure terror. She had been buried alive.
monk3ykid ยท 716 points ยท Posted at 02:08:08 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Jesus that's horrifying.
HtownKS ยท 389 points ยท Posted at 06:57:53 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Speaking of which, crucifixion is actually the worst way to die.
Akuze25 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 11:40:02 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I am absolutely flabbergasted that not a single responder to your comment turned themselves into That Guy by indicating that most crucifixions were done by hanging the limbs and not nailing them.
I was told that even then, you basically very slowly die from suffocation because of the positioning of your arms. You pretty much sit there, possibly for days, and the only way to get sufficient oxygen is to lift your body with your arms. After doing that long enough, either you give out from fatigue and the muscles in your arms finally tear. If you somehow survived, after a couple of days they would break your arms to finish you off. I learned this in Sunday school so take it with a grain of salt, but crucifixion sounds like one of the worst ways to go, nails or not.
Akuze25 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:18:35 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
That's pretty much it. You die from asphyxiation and exposure.
Interesting (and nasty) fact: the nails would not go through the feet, like in most depictions, but through the side of the ankles and into the side of the cross
Forgot the name it's called (Judas something) but it's where you are lowered on top of a pointed pyramid structure into your asshole. And they never clean it after use.
And the only thing worse than crucifixion is resurrection after three days. Either resurrect me in a couple of thousand years when there's air conditioning and pizza or let me stay dead, am I right?
aussydog ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:18:29 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Roodorak ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:45:12 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Do you mean Suffocating?
PwmEsq ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 08:07:26 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Crucifixion causes you to suffocate as part of the process
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 08:08:22 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
What? Why?
PwmEsq ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 08:12:40 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
From Wikipedia A theory attributed toย Pierre Barbetย holds that, when the whole body weight was supported by the stretched arms, the typical cause of death wasย asphyxiation.[51]ย He wrote that the condemned would have severe difficulty inhaling, due to hyper-expansion of the chest muscles and lungs. The condemned would therefore have to draw himself up by his arms, leading toย exhaustion, or have his feet supported by tying or by a wood block. When no longer able to lift himself, the condemned would die within a few minutes.
Also remember the persons arms and legs were impaled so in order to draw the body up...
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 08:28:43 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
that makes it even more horrible than I thought. TIL. Thanks for looking it up.
ArTiyme ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:43:41 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Which is why after a certain amount of time, peoples legs would be broken. Either slowly for extra torture/fun or to finally kill the victim and be done with it.
It was a symptom of the particular illness that was going around, sometimes people pass out with high temperature and they didn't know how to treat it back in the day.
Well, the thing is, vaccines at the time didn't just cause autism, they made people drop into comas too. /s
aawillma ยท 848 points ยท Posted at 06:16:17 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
At some point in my internet adventures I came across a master list of worst cases of people who were confirmed buried alive. The worst one by far was a pregnant woman who regained consciousness, gave birth in the coffin, and eventually died of dehydration with her baby. Baby was confirmed to have survived the birth as there was evidence of breastfeeding. Of course I happened to be 6 months pregnant when I read this. Nightmare fuel.
krukson ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 11:29:13 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Is it possible, though? I think she would have suffocated long before dying from dehydration. I don't think there is enough oxygen in the coffin, buried six feet underground, to last more than a couple of hours, if even that long.
aawillma ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 11:35:46 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I wish I could find the source the article used. From what I know about childbirth (major fluid loss) and what little I know about old burial practices (not hermetically sealed) it was probably a photo finish as far as which killed her.
it never said she was dead when she gave birth, and as the story goes, she was still alive, and able to breast feed the baby.
aawillma ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:58:25 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I don't remember where I read this and Google searching is coming up empty as far as a trustworthy source so I'm inclined to agree with you. Although it is more probable than not that this has happened at least once in human history, the details should be taken with a grain of salt.
No. They thought that she died in the coffin having been buried alive. They may well have been assuming.
We know decomposing gasses cause apparent "births" now but they didn't understand this in those days. If a baby was found they might well assume that the only way that could happen is if the woman was alive and gave birth.
Errm if she was that far enough along to deliver they definitely would have tried to deliver the baby if her body didn't automatically birth it after death. Also she would have died from lack of oxygen. Especially if she did give birth in there.
Oh my fucking god. There's missing one heart beat, but TWO?!
yoshi570 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 11:57:31 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
But it's true, because it's on the internet man.
[deleted] ยท 546 points ยท Posted at 06:46:55 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)*
When I was young I saw a show about a woman in prison. She talked the groundskeeper into helping her escape. Part of his job was to bury the inmates that died. They made a plan that after the next death she would sneak in the coffin and be buried with the deceased after a short time the groundskeeper would dig her up. T
he inmate learns of a death and sneaks into the dark room holding the coffin and climbs in. The next morning they are buried. The inmate waits until she no longer hears dirt been thrown on the coffin and lights a match. Guess who is in the coffin with her. The groundskeeper.HOLY SHIT. It was fictonal but I always thought how awful that would be.
Edit. It was Alfred Hitchcock presents The Final Escape
Why would the prison bury the groundskeeper, presuming he's a regular employee, at the prison?
[deleted] ยท 140 points ยท Posted at 07:15:43 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
It was just a show. They did it for the story. If I remember the reason was he had no family and the job was all he had. But its been 20 plus years. I just remember thinking it would be a bad way to go.
Risiki ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 12:42:10 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Apparently there are two versions of this story, in first one the guy is another prisoner. Here - maybe the groundskeeper just decided to troll the bitch...
I think that was an episode of Twilight Zone. I only say I think because my dad told me a very very similar story when I asked him what the scariest twilight zone episode he saw was.
[deleted] ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 07:26:50 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I thought it was the Twilight Zone too but I did a google search and came up with Alfred Hitchcock Presents The Final Escape.
Yeah I really don't know. The story my dad said was slightly different put had the same premises. I guess the inmate was male and the guy burying people was an alcoholic so they made a deal that the inmate would fake death and the other guy would dig him up later. My dad said that it freaked him out and he'd get anxiety just thinking about it.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 07:42:58 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
From what I read the show your dad saw was the original from the 60s and I saw the remake. Thats what the IMBD says.
Delsana ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 08:16:49 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
The one with the kid that punishes you if you think anything he doesn't like. Or the one that's a God of sorts that does whatever to the town when it wants.
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 08:22:36 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Ah, yes. When you're buried in a coffin with limited oxygen the first thing you should do is light a match.
zani1903 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 13:59:15 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I remember watching that! I'm sure Kathleen Turner was the woman?
Edit: nah, just looked it up......the 1985 remake starred a woman who looked like her though, must have been that.
The "face contorted into an expression of pure terror" is the red flag. Seems like just the type of exaggerated and unrealistic detail you'd expect from an undocumented story that gets told and retold again, folk tale style. Whatever faces she might have made when she realized her fate, by the end of it she would just have been struggling for air.
theruins ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 07:05:28 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 08:12:32 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Pikeville residents who live near the Hatcher plot reported hearing the sounds of a kitten crying coming from the area. The sound stopped when they approached the plot to investigate. Others said they could hear a woman crying coming from the same area.
A photographer taking pictures on a clear day captured a mysterious haze around the statue of Octavia. The mist only appeared when the photos were developed.
The most common story concerning Octavia says that on the anniversary of her death, the statue will turn away and face the opposite direction.
So this source seems like it cares more about telling ghost stories than researching history and gathering evidence.
After a few cases of that they started to tie one end of a string to the reads finger and the other to a bell so if that did happen you could ring the bell and hopefully the graves keeper would get you out. And that's where the term saved by the bell comes from.
EDIT: ok so I did a quick search and saved by the bell actually comes from boxing. turns out its a popular misconception and school lied to me.
Still not right! The origins of the phrase actually originate from this very thread.
Welpe ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 09:10:20 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
The phrase actually doesn't exist, we just all seem to think it does. It's just like that Berenstain Bears thing. If you go back and look no one has ever actually said that phrase ever.
Ohhhhh, I get it now thank you. I thought might be what he was talking about but I wasn't sure. Funnily enough, I had initially written Berenstein, but I saw his spelling and had to look it up haha
Heh, looks like this legend sired a lot of foal etymologies, since this particular phrase "dead ringer" actually comes from horse racing. A ringer is a horse falsely substituted for another horse, and dead just means "precise" as it does in the phrase "dead shot".
Not it didn't. It's origins are in boxing. A quick google search will tell you this.
Edit: Here is a link for you, first use of the phrase was around 1890 according to this article.
Huh. I always thought it was from school, where the teacher asked you something and then the bell rang and you got away scot free. TIL.
Unit1224 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:00:08 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
You're all wrong. It actually came from 1856 France when the country was struggling to find its identity. They were known for burnt bread. Always burnt bread. "Never order bread in france," said the people of Europe. "They'll just burn it and ruin your vacation." France was suffering for this, as satire artists pillaged their shame for every cheap laugh it was worth. Tourism fell, and the only paintings that could be sold out of france had to involve some commentary on how awful their bread was. This continued for some time until Alexander Graham Bell invented, you guessed it, the bell in 1855. With this, they could post a small, well trained dog next to their ovens (they tried to use small children, but they were not as cost effective). The dogs would ring the bell whenever the bread was ready. And so, France's reputation was, wait for it, saved by the bell.
Also no, the origin of the phrase has nothing to do with graveyards but actually just refers to the loneliness of the late shift. That's the thing about etymologies, if it sounds overly interesting, it's probably wrong.
When i wake up in a coffin and and i'm smelling something rotten but I'm not sure if i really just died... By the time i realize that I'm in for a surprise, i feel a string around my finger now I'm doing just fine! ... It's alright cause I'm saved by the bell...
TFJ ยท 148 points ยท Posted at 10:33:10 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
When i wake up in a coffin and and i'm smelling something rotten
Legend has it that the dead were buried with a string running from their body to a bell above ground, which, if they were buried alive, would ring if they moved again. Thus, dead ringer.
In reality, a dead-ringer takes its origination from 'dead' being synonymous with accurate like 'dead on' or 'dead ahead' and 'ringer' defined as "an athlete or horse fraudulently substituted for another in a competition or event."
So if someone is a 'dead ringer' for Matt LeBlanc they look exactly like him... but are not him.
qefbuo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:08:57 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
You can wring my bell.
Brethon ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 15:41:43 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I've spent 5min trying to figure out the best way to explain this... What part aren't you putting together?
Joe get's buried because he's dead. Later, you see Bob. Bob is a dead-ringer for Joe: he looks exactly like Joe, as if Joe was actually not dead, had rung the bell, and got exhumed.
Screech is actually the antagonist of Saved By the Bell for this very reason. The Screech of field Crows was known to distract grave workers long enough that several people died.
It is a common misconception to think Mr Belding is the antagonist of Saved By the Bell. Beldings are the name of the type of bells used in these specialised graves.
TIL, for whatever reason I always thought it was related to school, had never looked into it, thanks!
falanor ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:06:30 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
You should look into it. He's wrong. Saved by the Bell is boxing jargon, meaning a boxer knocked down isn't knocked out because the bell rung before the referee could count to ten, not from the dead having a bell tied to their finger.
I thought the phrase 'deadringer' came from this story because when people buried alive were dug up and continued living, then recognized in the street. "You're a deadringer for John Doe."
l_ho_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:46:04 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I thought that was where the term "graveyard shift" came from. Someone needed to keep watch over the graveyard at night to listen for the bells - although this sounds a lot like an urban legend as well.
mtgentry ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:46:55 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Wow, I must have missed the episode where Zack explained all this.
I read somewhere that allegedly the term Dead Ringer comes from this. As in that person looks so much like the other person it could have been their corpse come back to life or something. Sounds a bit spurious but I guess the phrase must have come from somewhere
Imagine just like chillin watching over some uncomfortably quiet graveyard and just hearing that bell in the distance. You couldn't pay me to go check who was ringing.
You're thinking of the term "graveyard shift" as this is where it originated. They would have someone on "graveyard shift" late at night in case someone rang the bell.
No but it is where the popular phrase "graveyard shift" comes from. There was someone that has to sit out in the cemeteries all night with a shovel listening for the bells.
I always felt like they should have kept doing that to this day. I mean, how else would we know that zombies aren't real?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:35:58 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I think, however, that the term "dead ringer" comes from that.
EDIT: Nope, totally wrong. Has more to do with horses than bells tied to bodies.
hrabib ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:10:27 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I thought it's where the term "graveyard shift" came from.
Rossco09 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:10:05 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
It's actually where the phrase "dead ringer" comes from. And also "graveyard shift" employees of the cemetery would work at night listening for the bell to ring and exhume the casket to save them.
mizzlez ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:28:33 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Lol!!!! Show me some proof you mother fucker!!!!
ieilael ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:20:58 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
This is false. "Saved by the bell" comes from boxing.
kfury ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:26:54 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
The bells are real but the phrase comes from boxing.
And that's where the term saved by the bell comes from
TI-fucking-L
Jaco99 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 07:59:21 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)*
The same thing happened to Thomas a Kempis, medieval author of the religious book The Imitation of Christ.
Hundreds of years after he died the Catholic Church decided to canonize the great devotional writer. When they exhumed his coffin to transport the body they opened the vessel and, to their shock and horror, discovered swaths of desperate scratch marks covering the bottom of the coffin lid. There were still splinters of wood under the fingernails of the corpse. They had buried the great christian alive.
The Church then came to the most rational decision: by awaking after burial Thomas a Kempis had rebelled against God by refusing to abide by His divine decrees of life and death. For this insubordination the Church reburied a Kempis without canonizing him.
And that is why to this day Thomas a Kempis is not a saint.
In Russia, coffin has pipe for air, and bell with string. If man is true Soviet, he does not die. When buried, yells for undertaker and rings bell. Bell rings. Is no wind.
Undertaker asks - "Are you lady Gorbochev?"
Voice says "Da!"
"Born winter of 1927?"
"Da!"
"Gravestone says 'Died 20 February, 1957"
"Niet, am still living!"
"Am sorry, but is August. In June, ground will thaw. You must wait for June."
Sooooo she didn't die initially?? Was identifying someone who was actually dead more difficult back then? Did they not know about people comatose and just buried her while in a coma? Why would it matter if the casket wasn't airtight, wouldn't all the dirt block air from getting in?
So I'm guessing She ended up suffocating, which could've happened fairly quickly while panicking.
I don't know anything about people who suffocate, but wouldn't your facial muscles go to a relaxed state the last couple seconds, or after you die??
If i'm not mistaken this was the reason for installing little bells over the grave, with a lace leading through the ground into the casket - so if anyone would be burried alive, he could pull the string, ring the bell and let people around know he is still alive. I'm sure that was a thing but I'm not sure if that's how it started.
Paddy32 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:17:11 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I wonder how many times this happened but it was never actually discovered.
Remember your dog that went to sleep last year and never woke up?
solusaum ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:55:10 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
There is a story about a priest in Poland who died this way. Apparently he was on track to become a saint but after they discovered that he had been buried alive they decided that there was no way to be sure he didn't curse God in his last moments.
This is why I want to be cremated. Fuck ceremonial burial. I know that in 2015 it would be damn near impossible to accidentally bury someone alive because we know the difference between death and near-death, but still.
All thought I am sure someone had been buried alive before.
This story is kind of an urban legend. It isn't clear if Octavia Hatcher was buried alive or not. No evidence suggest she was exhumed or even a newspaper article that mentions it.
Do I have the self control to stop reading this thread! I hope so!!
bionix90 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:25:07 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Holy hell. You can imagine my expressions as I was reading this story, thinking that the name of the post is about the "most honorable death". The story definitely took an unexpected turn.
Coffins used to be built with holes in them, attached to six feet of copper tubing and a bell. The tubing would allow air for victims buried under the mistaken impression they were dead. Harold, the Oakdale gravedigger, upon hearing a bell, went to go see if it was children pretending to be spirits. Sometimes it was also the wind. This time it wasnโt either. A voice from below begged, pleaded to be unburied.
โYou Sarah OโBannon?โ
โYes!โ the voice assured.
โYou were born on September 17, 1827?โ
โYes!โ
โThe gravestone here says you died on February 19?โ
โNo Iโm alive, it was a mistake! Dig me up, set me free!โ
โSorry about this, maโam,โ Harold said, stepping on the bell to silence it and plugging up the copper tube with dirt. โBut this is August. Whatever you is down there, you ainโt alive no more, and you ainโt cominโ up.โ
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:53:05 on December 21, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Holy fuck I was just thinking about this situation earlier... I can't believe it actually happened. Well, I can, probably not that improbable, but what a coincidence.
She's buried by the university that I attend. She has a statue of herself overlooking her grave and the town (its on a hill). Legend has it that on the date of the anniversary of her death the statue turns its back on the town.
Delsana ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 08:17:40 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
And stares at the murderer?
yaosio ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:08:06 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Her face was not contorted in terror, that's impossible unless she was flash frozen or burned.
One of them for certain has, and he was back in prison last I looked it up, but might be released by now.
The others were minors and were protected by the government. No one knows (except them and other people related to the case, I suppose) if they've been in and out of prison or not.
To be fair, I wouldn't want to spend any time in a Japanese prison. Conditions are pretty bad there.
Theemuts ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 11:13:37 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Countries which provide decent rehabilitation to prisoners have the least retribution, though. Maybe it's better to help than to punish, except for your feelings.
I was actually quoting something but yes, it is very easy to succumb to your own anger and hatred. Maybe some are beyond repair though. Retribution may not be necessary but keep them away. Someone this far in can never be truly "normal". I don't think.
_Synth_ ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:54:13 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
While most people can and should be rehabilitated, I highly doubt somebody sick and depraved enough to torture someone that way could be.
Theemuts ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:41:59 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Remember the pictures from Abu Graib? Those weren't isolated cases, and many Americans would thank the soldiers who perpetrated those crimes for their service.
If someone raped, tortured, and murdered your daughter, would you still push for their rehabilitation? It's easy to praise human-rights and say we're all equal when it doesn't involve you at all. The fact is we're not all equal. Some people are too mentally gone to fit into society and no amount of "rehabilitation" will fix them.
The US prison system is absolutely messed up, but I'm not arguing that it isn't. Not sure why you think I'm pro-US prison system. I'm simply stating my belief that not everyone is capable of changing and conforming to society. I'm saying that some people do things so horribly that I don't think there is any reason to even attempt to bring them back into society. Some people just aren't worth the risk or effort and some simply don't deserve a second chance.
Do what these people did? Iunno, the same or worse would be nice.
grendus ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 14:04:33 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Honestly, crimes like these are one of the only reasons I don't completely support abolishing the death penalty. It gets used badly, but there are some people that just aren't worth the risk of trying to rehabilitate. I still hesitate, because there have been cases where people have later been proved innocent, or been proved innocent while on death row, but these guys... shudders... just make it hard to wholly oppose.
I'd pull the trigger myself if I could. Yes, it is an emotional decision. Yes, it is illegal. Yes, revenge =/= justice. Yes, I would go to jail. But I'd kill them. Because I keep thinking "what if someone like this kidnapped my girlfriend?"
I agree with you, but not just "pull the trigger" i would do to them what they did to her x10. I know it's wrong, I know that would just make me just like them. But imagining your loved one being their victim brings out the demons out of me.
i could never do what they did but i think some sort of 1984 style psychological destruction is what i would do to them. i would straight up give up my life to destroy the minds of those people. super glad that that will never be possible and i will simply forget them and go on with my life.
Going to prison? Nope. Getting 2 to 6 years...suspended, for rape, is being lenient. And idiotic. And thats the situation where I live (and its not 3rd world country either....its europe ffs...)
More pretentiousness. Yes I do know a pretty good amount about of other relgions. Not formally educated but roughly 10 years of passive interest you pick up a lot.
TSED ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 13:07:29 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Okay then. You should know that the 'other Gods' you're referring to don't usually have omniscience. You should know that many religions, like Buddhism (which has a LOT of people following it) do not even really have overt God figures capable of interfering in the mortal world.
Tell me, how does Jainism solve the problem of evil? I'm not the one being pretentious here, you are. You've roundaboutly called forth the problem of evil, which is only a problem in (usually Abrahamic) religions that posit the existence of a PKG God. You then used the problem of evil to dismiss all religions, which is such a poor leap of logic that I was trying to figure out where you're coming from. You, of course, responded by calling me pretentious.
Resorting to ad hominems at me doesn't strengthen your position.
Now tell me, how does the problem of evil cause problems for the Paganistic traditions stemming from Scandinavia and Germany? How does it cause problems for Hinduism? I don't really know anything about American religions, but I do know they don't have PKG Gods looking after anyone. The Maori sure don't. Shintoism doesn't really have any problems with it. African religions are very diverse and I have little knowledge about most of them.
So tell me again how bad things happen disproves all religions.
So tell me again how bad things happen disproves all religions.
This was never the argument being made. /u/King_Of_Regret is saying that if something bad happens, whatever god you believe didn't do anything to prevent it.
Is it like prisons here in the US? Coz I hear that molesters or rapist has it really bad. Like all the other prisoners seriously hate those kind of prisoners.
It's bad in a different way. Prisoners don't really interact in the Japanese system, so that sort of violence isn't a problem. On the other hand, Japan has some severe human rights issues regarding their prisons.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:45:36 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
The others were minors and were protected by the government. No one knows (except them and other people related to the case, I suppose) if they've been in and out of prison or not.
From what I remember they got doxxed. Or some poor people got doxxed as them.
A newspaper (kind of a sketch one) revealed IDs claiming that they deserve no mercy from the law and society.
Which is why there are even any hints of what they were up to after prison.
The fact that one of the guy was said to be bragging about what he had done aggravated me no end.
P1zzaman ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:28:45 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, they got doxxed by tabloids... and the tabloids got bashed for doing it.
Still it helps to know that the scans of the tabloids are still circulating online.
e101 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 11:04:24 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Prison Talk Online thread about conditions. It specifies Fuchu prison, which is apparently one of the worst.
Most of what I know is because I have an in-law in Yokohama prison, and while he's not in any immediate danger (from other inmates, or from guards as far as we're aware), but he's not doing well either. Lots of work, very little food, extreme temperatures (especially now that it's winter - frostbite is common), etc.
aldously ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:29:56 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
If you think hapanese prisions are bad you should look up Brazil. 40+ men into a cells for 4-5 ppl.
That's because Japan is barely better than KSA when it comes to crime and punishment.
drdoom52 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:44:43 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Can someone explain why and how? I mean to even have taken part in this, or observe this being done, and not consider it wrong is inexcusable. How was it possible for them to even plead to a lesser charge. To injure someone seriously enough that it kills them without intending to is horrible, but to knowingly do this for more than 40 days takes a sick and twisted mind.
Many a times when such rare and heinous crimes occur in a country with very very low crime rate, their justice system get overwhelmed. And the punishment never matches the crime.
Like that brevik guy from Norway who committed the mass shootings.
Me too, if it's accurate, I'd have wanted to kill them myself if I'd caught them.
No torture tho', I don't to turn into them just to get revenge.
brett1 ยท 587 points ยท Posted at 00:56:21 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
This is one of the worst things I have ever read, just when you thought you knew how bad humans can be, shit like this pops up.
[deleted] ยท 527 points ยท Posted at 01:41:19 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Just imagine all the cases of torture that were not caught or recorded, and think about in the span of human history it is likely that torture as bad as this or worse has happened many, many, many times throughout the history of mankind. I bet that things even worse than this happened during Japanese occupation of China during WWII. It's unbelievable the depths of cruelty the Japanese reached during this time, imo magnitudes worse than even the Nazis.
It's not like the SS decided to roll in and help evacuate or anything. It was just a German businessman and member of the Nazi Party who led a foreign committee that set up a demilitarized zone for Chinese civilians in the city. The Japanese army didn't really recognize it so while it was safe from the battle it wasn't completely safe from the following occupation, but still saved many many lives.
[deleted] ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 15:21:59 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
It's important to note that John Rabe was acting on his own during the occupation of Nanjing. He used his status as a party member to gain some power against the Japanese soldiers, but he wasn't acting on the authority of the party. In fact, when he tried to spread awareness in Germany about it, the Gestapo arrested him and confiscated his documentation.
Or do it for the sake of promoting the just actions of the world, as the citizens of Nankiing later honored the deed and helped him in his time of need.
He ended up pretty much penniless with his wife for a spell after WWII and when the survivors of Nanking heard about it they sent him and his family care packages.
[deleted] ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 14:13:41 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
The museum of the Yasukuni shrine omits any mention of the Nanking massacre and proclaims that "The Japanese established a safety zone for Chinese civilians and made a special effort to protect historical and cultural sites. Inside the city, residents were once again able to live their lives in peace."
You have mad respect for him because he wasn't cool with mass rape and execution?
[deleted] ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 07:29:23 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
More because he stood up to an invading army and saved thousands of lives than the not being cool with the Rape of Nanking. Plenty of people are against such atrocities, but few have the courage to stand up in the face of them.
He went against the norm established by the most powerful group in that area, and risked pissing off his german superiors if his actions made the japanese pissed at german high command. A lesser man would sit by while these actions happened.
This reminds me of the US troops that were ordered by higher ups to ignore boys being raped by their middle eastern allies.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:22:55 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Saddest part is how John Rabe was fucked over by the Soviets and Brits after the war.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:30:42 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
When you're a citizen of a country that does mass executions on an industrial scale, it probably takes a lot of courage to go up against your supposed allies and essentially accusing them of the same thing your country is doing. It's the kind of thing that might land you in a concentration camp, just to save strangers.
This is a well established facet of the Rape of Nanjing. It was not some sort of Nazi policy to help however. Just one highly placed Nazi doing so out of the goodness of his heart.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 06:42:32 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I was having a discussion on Reddit the other day about how the Japanese were worse in some ways than the Nazis, and people were genuinely defending them. Man I feel sick.
What gets me is thinking that someone right now somewhere in the world is probably being tortured like this right now and I'm just happily sitting on reddit.
I'm not sure if it is so disturbing to think about ( human trafficking ) that we tend to not think about it. I already have issues but if I thought about something like this every day I would be unable to accomplish much of anything. It kinda freaks me out because I do think about it when we get up in arms about things that in comparison seem petty and small. I almost want to say things to people when they get uspet about stuff, like " well at least your not a 10 year old girl having her fingers cut off right now because she did not give some sick psychopath a good enough handjob " .
mecaenas ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 06:37:43 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Actually, the Nazis weren't all that brutal. They were very cold and calculating and very rarely turtured except for science(doctor Mengele comes to mind).
Other than that they would usually use up Jews to work and when the Jews were no longer fit for work, they'd be gassed. Gassing is not very painful compared to other tortures. And no, they didn't burn people alive and they most certainly didn't make soap from people.
What the Nazis did was still despicable of course, but most of the time they didn't do it because they wanted to be cruel, they did it to gain some kind of economic advantage.
the above was bad, but nothing made me as sick as reading those transcripts. check the wikipedia article if you're curious, but i'm warning you, seriously, don't read the transcripts. i legitimately couldn't make it through, and i can stomach reading damn near anything.
The craziest part is where they don't lock him up and throw away the key. (The main perp)
Remontant ยท 85 points ยท Posted at 02:31:17 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
One of the most horrible things I've ever read. I love to consume trivia, so I read all kinds of things, but one thing I almost never remember is names. I read about Junko a couple of years ago and I was horribly disturbed by it. I have never forgotten her name.
Talmaska ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:12:36 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Likewise. The most disturbing thing I have ever read.
coolmap ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 13:28:16 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Dexter looked at his knife and then shifted his gaze to the ritual he had started. Plastic covered the floor, photos of victims haunted the walls and muffled screams echoed the halls. It was good to be a serial killer who murdered murderers and criminals.
That's what that shows about? Hmm, I am now a bit interested...thanks.
Afghan_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:10:32 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Tonight is the night
hwarming ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 07:51:39 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Because they have ties with the Yakuza
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 13:37:16 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
If I lived in Japan I would, seriously.
This fucking shit brought me into tears. Fuck people.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 07:32:17 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
With their identities not being public knowledge, there's really no way to say for sure that it hasn't already happened. It would just be a seemingly random murder, or it would be assumed that it was related to something else. We'd never learn about it being revenge.
aros102 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 02:43:03 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Nice try, but your subliminal messages won't work on me!
Yes, it is a book by the Marquis de sade (his name is where we get the term, sadist from). Incidentally, he was a prisoner of the Bastille, and was one of the prisoners freed on the first Bastille day. This is where the title of the movie comes from.
[deleted] ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 01:39:00 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
That's fucking terrible
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 07:14:12 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Just so yall know, they were given a slap on the wrist for this horrid crime.
Here's the wiki text for those who want to be furious:
"The boys were arrested and tried as adults; but, because of Japanese handling of crimes committed by juveniles, their identities were concealed by the court.
For his participation in the crime, Kamisaku served eight years in a juvenile prison before he was released, in August 1999. In July 2004, he was arrested for assaulting an acquaintance, whom he believed to be luring a girlfriend away from him, and allegedly bragged about his earlier infamy.[2] Kamisaku was sentenced to seven years in prison for the beating.
In July 1990, a lower court sentenced the leader to seventeen years in prison, one accomplice to a four- to six-year term, one accomplice to a three- to four-year term, and another accomplice to an indefinite five- to ten-year term. The leader and the first two of the three appealed their rulings. The higher court gave more severe sentences to the three appealing parties. The presiding judge, Ryลซji Yanase, said that the court did so because of the nature of the crime, the effect on the victim's family, and the effects of the crime on society. The leader received a twenty-year sentence, the second highest possible sentence after life imprisonment. Of the two appealing accomplices, the one that originally got four to six years received a five- to nine-year term, and the other had his sentence upgraded to a five- to seven-year term.[4]"
Looguh ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 02:28:31 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
This made my stomach upset and hands sweat just reading it...
She was tortured so badly that her brain actually shrunk.
MrFiregem ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 02:11:30 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
This was made into a manga that I stumbled upon. I was looking sidelong toward my computer screen basically the whole time since there's no way I could see that straight on. I made it to the end by morbid curiosity and willpower alone. I'm pretty sure it was part of a volume of different, equally bad cases.
zue3 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 08:39:23 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah but in the manga she lives. In reality she died horribly and her captors didn't even get life imprisonment.
MrFiregem ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:40:06 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)*
Really? I could have sworn it ended with a shot of the concrete barrel. It's a different one than what was mentioned in the wiki.
hio777 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:30:39 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Since it's a manga, it's probably a book. When a video it would be called anime.
cucufag ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 09:13:00 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
about animating and voice acting torture and rape...
uhh... there's a lot of them.
bee1010 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 06:45:27 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I knew this would be the top answer. So fucking sad. Poor girl.
ouijabore ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 06:58:26 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)*
I read a summary of what happened once. I'll never read it again. It made me sick, and it's even more sickening how little jail time those sick fucks got.
Women aren't highly valued as people in Japan. If they'd killed a man, they would've gotten more time. It's sad, but true. What other possible reason could there be?
Right. No. I just meant during that in the moments when she wasn't being abused. That probably hurt more than the abuse itself. Like sitting their with your wounds. UGH!!!
fuck. i remember reading about that a few years back. i've had nightmares.
i tried blocking it out, and reading this again really brings the memories back... :/
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:58:40 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Came in expecting this at the top. Absolute nightmare.
Quite shocking that the bastards who did it were released some years later.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:20:25 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I remember reading about this. It's very eye-opening. Even as a woman, I can only imagine the amount of pain she went through before her death. It's sickening to know that individuals are capable of doing such shitty things to another person.
Paddy32 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:21:16 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Classic Junko Furuta. When I first read this I was in rage, now I just try to not think of it. Makes me sad.
mn_g ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:23:24 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
How can people get this evil?
It terrifies me that there may be closeted psychopaths like this walking around among us
acamu5x ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:24:15 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I've then this pop up a bunch these past few years. I'm curious how the injuries were so exact. Would I be right to assume the guys who did this kept a log of everything?
It is impossible for anyone to deserve that kind of punishment, besides doing that to someone else. I hope the people who did that suffered the same fate as she did.
Reddit loves to talk about this one but I have never seen anyone mention the equally as fucked 'Hello-Kitty murder'
Taken from wikipedia:
The Hello Kitty Murder in Hong Kong refers to the case of a night club hostess who was kidnapped and tortured in an apartment in Tsim Sha Tsui in 1999. She eventually died over a month later, either by drug overdose or at the hands of the abductors. She was decapitated and her head was crammed into a Hello Kitty doll, hence the name of the case.
Jesus Christ...I read Dante's Divine Comedy, and the author's fictional depiction of hell wasn't that bad. This woman didn't go through hell, she went through something much, much worse.
It makes me sick to my stomach. It makes me want to cry and scream. Those animals should have been put down! I'm pretty sure due process only applies to human fucking beings, not rabid dogs!
This is so horrific, and I can't do much other than think why? Why did they do these terrible things to this poor girl?! It sickens me that people are capable of doing such evil shit to others.
Someone once asked me what i would do if i had a time machine and could only travel once and could not come back. This is what I would go back to and fuck them all up.
In Finland the offenders would have received 18 months of parole, if they didn't sell any drugs nor vandalized any property. Human value in Finland = worthless.
Burn an empty building, and get 6-8 years of actual jail time.
The worst thing about it is that her parents knew she was there IIRC but couldn't save her and also some of the people that did it are still free to this day.
It's insane that anyone would find pleasure in committing any of these acts, but who in the hell would continue to rape someone who has already been raped hundreds of times? What possible physical pleasure could that give?? Savages.....
The fuckers who did that should nailed to a wall, get shot in the legs, have salt and acid poured onto it, and then he should be left alone to die a long, horrible, and extremely painful death. Just...what the fuck. That's so horrible.
You left out the parts where they repeatedly dropped heavy objects (I want to say there was a bowling ball involved) on her face and when they told her she could use a real restroom, but only if she managed to drag herself all the way there and back. Also, I think there was something to do with battery acid too.
Easily one of the most disturbing true stories I've ever read about. Makes me nauseated every time. That poor girl. I can't even begin to imagine the despair she must have felt.
People used to execute use a method where they would hang them upside down by their feet, and they would saw them down them middle. It was supposed to prolong their death by starting at their genitals.
DrEnter ยท 471 points ยท Posted at 02:26:05 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Really, any form of slow execution that includes the detail "starting at their genitals" probably ranks right up there.
Yeah, they axe him down the middle from his groin until his guts fall out onto his own face.
nn5678 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:38:09 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
the jawbone they used as hatchets are heavier than i thought. not sure how sharp they could get bone. after watching it, i held one from a longhorn. I don't know if buffalo or other cattle could be bigger though
It prolongs their death because the blood flows to the brain. Keeping you conscious instead of just uhh draining out. I'm pretty sure I read something that stated that was the intended purpose
kacperp ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:23:06 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
They were using wooden saws to do that too. So it was even worse then you think
skrybll ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:25:56 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
That one scene with what looks like Kurt russel watching his buddy be hacked in half
Hey, in his defense he was 1.Doing that on grave offenders like murderers or Turkish spies and 2.He was actually impaling them horizontally, through the stomach. He wasn't a sadist.
He's a national hero and it saddens me to hear the whole world think him a monster.
He knew that many of the noblemen that had served under his father were involved in the betrayal; but since he didnโt know specifically which ones, he invited all of themโabout five hundred in totalโto a feast at his house. Once the feast was finished, Draculaโs soldiers rushed into the room and impaled every single nobleman present.
Inalchuq. Governor of Otrar in the Khwarezmian Empire in the early 13th century.
As a sign of good will, Genghis Khan sent a caravan into the neighboring Khwarezmian Empire consisting of 450 men. However, the Khwarezmids thought the caravan contained Mongolian spies and did not take kindly to the gesture. Inalchuq seized the caravan, killing all but one Mongol merchant who was spared so that he could relay the gruesome fate of the caravan.
Khan, thinking there was surely a mistake or some type of miscommunication, made one more attempt at diplomacy with his neighbors. He sent a delegation to Inalchuq's boss, Shah Ala ad-Din Muhammad II, to clarify things. The Shah responded by shaving the heads of the Mongol ambassadors, and sent their interpreter home without a head.
Incensed, Genghis Khan besieged Otrar for five months in 1219 with 200,000 of the best trained soldiers in the world, ultimately breaching it's walls. Inalchuq barricaded himself in its inner citadel, and as the Mongols wished to capture him alive in order to publicly execute him, he managed to hold out another month. Eventually he was trapped with his last remaining bodyguards on the upper floors of the citadel, resorting to throwing bricks down on the Mongols. Inalchuq was ultimately captured, and executed by means of having molten silver poured into his eyes and ears.
TL;DR - A neighboring governor pissed off the wrong guy and received the wrath of Khan; he died by having molten silver poured in his eyes and ears.
Whilst not the most physically horrid, it would be horrible to be of a faith and be propositioned with the following:
In a 1991 interview, Kuklinski recalled one of the few murders he later regretted committing:
It was a man and he was begging, and pleading, and praying, I guess. And he was 'Please, God'n all over the place. So I told him he could have a half an hour to pray to God and if God could come down and change the circumstances, he'd have that time. But God never showed up and he never changed the circumstances and that was that. It wasn't too nice. That's one thing, I shouldn't have done that one. I shouldn't have done it that way.
dbpcut ยท 281 points ยท Posted at 04:42:40 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Thats... an odd place to draw the line. Take life but not faith.
I belieeeve, whatever doesn't kill you simply makes you, stranger.
ZaneLoss ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 07:26:44 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
It makes sense though. Taking someone's mental foundation away, basically. His truth has been... Seemingly disproved. Then to face death.
Rryann ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 12:04:51 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
The man had no regard for human life, but seemed to kill people fairly quickly and painlessly. This seems to be a little more drawn out than his usual MO. That might be why.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 12:48:08 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Except for the whole "Throw you into a cave to be eaten alive by rats" thing.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 13:40:05 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)*
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[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:10:40 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Oh, absolutely the guy was a fantasist, there are a few murders in there that are plausible but I was under the impression from quite early on that he was making a lot of it up. Probably enjoyed getting out of his cell for a few hours every time someone wanted to interview him about it.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 08:52:30 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I think she said it was because he didn't want to be sadistic. A killer, but not sadistic or something.
[deleted] ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 07:54:37 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
It was the most captivating read ever. DO NOT watch the movie 'Iceman' and expect to get anything of his life or story. It doesn't even scrape the surface, and its utter garbage.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:32:32 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
With James Franco as the man of god. Such a surprise cameo
Whenever I see Iceman mentioned here by his name I always think that people are talking about Ryszard Kukliลski, who was a colonel in Polish army, but spied for NATO forces.
While he died from a stroke, it is quite probable that his two sons were murdered by the KGB for what he did.
They made an amazing movie about Richard kuklinski called The Iceman and it is on Netflix. This exact killing is a scene in the movie with James Franco. I would recommend checking the movie out
The old naval tradition "Keel Hauling" sounded really horrible. Back in the days of 40 lashes and what not there was a punishment where a rope would be run underneath the ship. Then attached to a man at the other side. He was then pulled underneath the ship. The keel of the ship was always coated in barnacles and things and the man was torn to shreds.
But that was probably an acrylic built boat, and much smaller. We are talking the big Spanish style galleons, made with wood, and never cleaned of barnacles. So these guys were dragged through the water with their backs against the sharp shells of the barnacles. To make matters worse, this would have likely happened in the open ocean, where underwater currents are far stronger, which would have pushed the victim further into the barnacles.
KGShaw ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 15:31:58 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
My comment was a joke. Seeing as how catamarans have a giant gap in the middle of the hull.
Thanks! I always found the less discussed historical things interesting, especially things like this, it always makes me wonder when viewing the brutality of the past and how it was just accepted then, alongside the mass hysteria with religious genocide and what not, if the fact that we so vehemently protest it now is a sign of our evolution as a species. If the growth of our "humanity" is actually a product of some undiscovered form of selection.
d53095 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:23:43 on December 16, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
It was a little of both. Sometimes if the person survived he'd just be sent for another round. Other times it was a one time deal where the person probably wouldn't survive, but if he did, then good for him. It really depends on who was doing it and when.
d53095 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:24:58 on December 16, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
So they just sailed everywhere with a rotting carcass or two if he was left?
[deleted] ยท 115 points ยท Posted at 00:39:30 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
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Juleset ยท 31 points ยท Posted at 02:03:55 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Actually back then that was a standard method of execution for Anabaptists who got caught by the Catholics. (Being burned alive at the stake was also popular.) The Protestants only shot and hanged them. Adult baptism was serious business back then.
What retard would kill a person for not being baptized?
Nihht ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 11:46:21 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Anabaptism was all about baptizing converts a second time, as adults. The name literally means re-baptism.
svk66 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 05:04:03 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Pretty ironic the word "Leiden" means suffer in german.
shane727 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 06:57:16 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
It's morbidly cool to me that you can still see the cages they used hanging there according to wikipedia but if they are the original its weird for a church to have something that was used for something so horrible hanging off it.
When I was in Munster a few years ago they were still hanging in the bell tower. My ex wife, a German catholic, got a big kick out of showing me ,an American anabaptist. Life's funny.
Imagine being the guy going 2nd or 3rd. You'd have to watch the other guys get ripped apart first, knowing that you turn was coming up next.
The second guy tried to strangle himself with his collar but was prevented to do so and had to go the same way as first. Wow.
IIAddyII ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:34:15 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Nice to see people mention Mรผnster for once. And it's about torture and gruesome deaths. Well...
rdewalt ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:19:29 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I learned more about history from Dan Carlin than my entire high school education.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:39:00 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
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rdewalt ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:23:01 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Our history classes were so very glossing over everything. I can't name more than a handful of "Important Dates" in history.
I mean, other than the simple ability now to turn to my phone and say "Ok Google, when was the Battle of Hastings..." which comes up completely never.
Perhaps its the fact that to me "history class" sucked, always sucked, that I never got any joys out of it unlike math and science classes. Dan Carlin's podcasts made me enjoy it in a way that my schooling never did.
jvcinnyc ยท 555 points ยท Posted at 22:28:15 on December 14, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I saw that horrible video of Muammar Qaddafy getting keistered with that that knife when he was apprehended. I am so sorry I saw that...it haunts me
SSAUS ยท 128 points ยท Posted at 08:42:37 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)*
The video depicts rebels capturing and parading Muammar Gaddafi around Sirte, his hometown, after NATO had bombed his convoy.
In actions contrary to international law, Muammar Gaddafi was captured, tortured and executed without being put on trial and formally found guilty of any allegations. You want to know the ironic thing about it all? Even though the killing of Gaddafi in Sirte marked the conclusion of the civil war and brought hopes of democracy, the town itself is now under ISIS control and the country has been engulfed in chaos.
[deleted] ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 11:47:45 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Removing hard-ass leaders in naturally violent nations is a bad thing, we now know.
I hate to break it to you man but nearly everyone in the positions to make those decisions knows that as well and has known for decades. Everyone knew Libya and Iraq would fall apart when they removed the leadership.
I'm pretty sure his last words were (obviously not in english) something like, "What did I ever do to you?"
SSAUS ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 17:25:19 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
You are correct. That was a comment attributed to Muammar at the time of his capture. Other statements made by him during his last moments are also reported to include: "Please don't shoot," "God forbids this," and "Do you know right from wrong?"
The same outcome as every country the west has poked their nose in.
Leap_ ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 15:16:34 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Not surprised at all. They are animals and Gaddafi was the only one holding them back same with Sadam and Assad.
Sure they are dictators who had their fair share of war crimes but they didn't fuck around and kept the area in relative peace. I have friends who used to live and Libya and Iraq and things have only gotten worse with their departure.
Douglex ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:28:22 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I actually have some Haitian friends tell me that Haiti was doing better when there was a dictator (I forgot his name). The U.S. decided to get rid of him though.
Papa Doc and/or Baby Doc, neither of which was anybody's good thing. Shit, people were crying and trampling each other when Stalin died. Go figure.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:24:11 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
tortured and executed
severely beaten, stabbed, and sodomized with a knife before being shot to death by a member of the hoard.
SSAUS ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:27:13 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
In other words, tortured and executed.
Lebor ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:53:53 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
This is exactly why I think Bashar Al Assad should stay if charge in other way I am pretty sure Rebels and ISIS will pretty much finish whole proces of destrying country. Yes Assad is not a good leader but still better than anything that will come after him.
Reminded me of one of those videos where people are drunk at the beach and 2 people start fighting and the guy filming is an annoying ass drunk dude that won't shut up. Like that but with a really shitty camera and less teeth.
A ton of blood everywhere. Don't exactly see him being raped with a knife, but it's clear thats what happened. He's still alive and conscious, and in agony.
I'm disturbed... Usually doesn't happen from online videos, but the fact that theres a dozen people watching this go on makes it so much worse.
calctea ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 15:10:54 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)*
Zehrok ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 14:37:09 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Just don't go to liveleak. I have a bit of a morbid curiosity, but I could have been content with not seeing some of that shit every time I close my eyes.
I waited 'til he was totally sleep, right? And then I got my camera, and I pulled down his pants, and then I took a picture of his weiner in my mouth! Butters is so gay! I got his whole weiner in my mouth!
[deleted] ยท 33 points ยท Posted at 07:06:43 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Fucking subs man
slouched ยท 43 points ยท Posted at 09:19:41 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
They really bring out the dont ask dont tell in a man
TehSkiff ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 16:51:04 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
120 men go down, 60 couples come up.
blamb211 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:02:22 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, I think there was a game on Tosh.0 where he would "Ghadaffi" people by taking his fist or something cylindrical and jab it into their asses.
It went around my high school for a little while too. The boys in my school used to call it "Rhino-ing" people. Like as if a Rhino was head-butting them with its horn, but after the whole Ghadaffi thing, they started calling it "Ghadaffi-ing."
[deleted] ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 07:04:04 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
We call it corn dogging, but you knee them as hard as you can in the ass.
BorisBC ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 10:17:19 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
We used to call it a Hopa after a player called John Hopoate in the NRL started sticking his finger up opposing players bums when tackling them.
During a 2001 clash with the Cowboys, Hopoate, in an attempt to unsettle several of his opponents, inserted his finger in three players' anuses, the first occurring during the seventh minute of play. At the conclusion of the match the matter was immediately referred to the rugby league judiciary where a case was put forward from both sides on 28 March.
"Rhino-ing" was around way before this. I remember people doing this in middle school long before Tosh. It's when someone is bending over and you pretty much ram your knee into their gouch. It is not cool and people who do this are assholes.
Did the same thing with my friends, only to a different level. We grabbed anything from glue sticks to rulers to use. I got "voted" most innovative when I used a Christmas Star.
This isn't the stuff of straight men, this is guys using a homoerotic gesture as an excuse to slip into one of their buddies or "accidentally" touch another mans dick. Telling people on Reddit about it kinda relieves the inner pain of having to hide their sexual preference.
Oh man, you got me!
For reals though, we knew it wasn't gay because no one got jizzed in. That's what makes it gay, that or of you were smiling then it was gay. Those were the rules.
backfatt ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:09:40 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
No.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:32:25 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I've seen too many football locker rooms to agree with that I'm afraid.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:30:19 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, I think there was a game on Tosh.0 where he would "Gaddafi" people by taking his fist or something cylindrical and jab it into their asses.
It went around my high school for a little while too. The boys in my school used to call it "Rhino-ing" people. Like as if a Rhino was head-butting them with its horn, but after the whole Gaddafi thing, they started calling it "Gaddafi-ing."
OMG, I'm glad I'm not the only one sitting here wondering WTF is up with teenage boys that makes them want to shove their hand/thumb/finger into someone else's ass without consent.
So thats what that meant! Couple dudes on my football team did that and i was like ???
Mortara ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:04:28 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
My unit in the army had to have sensitivity training because a bunch of ducking privates got caught jamming their rifle barrels in each others assessment and yelling that
nivlek12 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:42:12 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Sorry, a bit off topic, but I'm thinking about joining the Navy as a submariner, hope you don't mind me asking for maybe a quick PM on your experience and how you liked it?
I thought it was just someone shoving his pistol into his ass while they drag him away, Also not firing just prodding him in humiliation. Gaddafi is scared and so acts up all scared and crying.
I have to strain to not feel bad for him, because he did worse things to his prisoners but, damn. Stabbing a dude in the ass is not cool.
In any case I think this was a better way of dealing with him in a way that gave the people closure on the Gaddafi chapter, than a drawn out trial and laughable "punishment" he would have received.
Oddly enough I know how bad this is..... To a lesser degree. Friend in highschool was joking and stabbing me with A closed pocket knife..... It was open!!!! He thought I was laughing not screaming in pain.
So, the only record we have of this "Scaphism" is 3rd party accounts who also just happened to be enemies of Persia. With no physical evidence, or even anyone proclaiming that they actually carried out the sentence, it's much more likely it was anti-Persian propaganda.
When your killing someone you really dont like that effort is time well spent.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 10:22:09 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Effort, sure, but that much money? I'm sure you could think of something cheaper. And if you want to set an example, you should go for more spectacular and less disgusting.
He didn't say it was unbelievable, he said it was unlikely given the lack of evidence. Someone certainly dreamed it up, and people still claim that it happened, so it's definitely believable.
It also sounds exactly like rumors that your enemy would spread to discredit you. The Japanese had rumors that American's were actually Oni and being captured meant you'd be eaten, but turns out American GI's eat C Rations.
I don't know it probably happened somewhere. We've had it on the books as a horrible way to kill someone for 2500 years during which I would guess over half of all humans that have ever existed lived and died. Even if the Persians never used it, someone probably did at some point.
Wasnt the person who created this the first victem?
ekclone ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:55:13 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, Perillos proposed to Phalaris a new torture for criminals, but Phalaris was disgusted by this idea and ordered that Perillos (the inventor) to hop in so he could hear the sounds of the tortured, when Perillos jumped in they locked him in and a fire was set under the the bull. [source]
RJWolfe ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 06:12:56 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
He only did it to thieves, though.
Also, he kind of nailed turbans to the heads of two emissaries because they didn't take off the turbans, which is a show of respect. Like, you take down your hat when you talk to someone important.
Was looking for the brazen bull. The worst part is, that isn't even a killing technique, just a torture method. I heard the only person it was ever practiced on was the person who developed it in an ironic twist.
Illier1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:36:24 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
The inventor was tasked to make it by a cruel king in Syracuse I think. He then promptly threw the inventor in so no one else could replicate it
everyone always mentioned the "brazen Bull" like its a big deal but its got to be on par with being burned at the steak, or killed with fire in some manner which in human history is fairly common.
ismetrix ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:59:35 on December 16, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
DAMN you just reminded me of something. When I was an EMT a few years ago we got a call from a psych facility. Went in and there was this HUGE guy, like 6'6" 280 lbs. He had found/grabbed/stolen (don't remember what they said) some of those shitty scissors that little kids use to cut paper. Made it about 1/3 of the way trying to cut off his balls with those dull pieces of shit. So we bandage him up and take him to the hospital. In the back of the ambulance I ask him why. Told me he wanted to cut off his balls, then pull his eyeballs out, and put his balls in his eyes and his eyes in his ball sack.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:42:21 on December 16, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I can't remember the weasel + sack details exactly, but I remember some ancient culture (maybe Mesopotamia?) doing something similar (might have been a cat instead of weasel).
Can you please explain why would they put live animal into the sewn sack with a human inside then throw em to water? Dumb me can't comprehend the reason behind it.
crop028 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:04:13 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I only remember the rat thing from 2 Fast 2 Furious
Slimh22 ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 04:28:39 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I was told a story in highschool by my history teacher. A kid in Sparta about 14 years old was killed by a fox. He stole the fox to eat and when the higher ups discovered the missing fox they had all the boys line up and stand there untill someone confessed. The punishment was so much worse for stealing so the boy kept quiet and after a while he dropped dead because the fox clawed his way into the boys chest because he hid him in his shirt. No one saw the boy bleeding because they all wear red. Don't know if it's true but that sounds awful.
A huge number of people died from being trapped in their burning homes in the immediate aftermath of the bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Some people described trying to help their family members but being unable to, having to listen to them burn to death instead.
If you escaped that fate, you might be staggering around with your eyeballs melted out of their sockets and your skin sloughing off your bones.
If you escaped that fate, you might still die when you drank water -- people who had radiation burns were in such severe shock that water intake tended to kill them. And they were very thirsty.
And if you escaped all of that, you might still starve to death.
Too late for anyone to care but my neighbour told me an amazing story after Hiroshima.
Her father was a war photographer and went to Hiroshima after the bomb...and he learnt of two Australian (i think) soldiers were in a POW building. They snuck outside for a cigarette when the bomb dropped. The entire building was demolished, but the brick wall they were behind mostly survived. Except for the top that fell off and landed on them. But they survived and everyone in the factory died!
da_choppa ยท 25 points ยท Posted at 07:06:12 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Hell on earth is the only way to describe the bombings.
And even more horrifying is the thought of what an invasion would have cost. The most conservative casualty counts were so high that every single purple heart awarded since then has been from the batch made for that invasion.
Can I ask how it changed? I had a radically different feeling about them myself before I learned about them, I'm curious to know what others feel when they've seen a new perspective.
I always felt the bombings were perfectly justified, to prevent an invasion of Japan that would have lasted years and cost more lives. Whenever anyone would even bring up the concept of the bombings being wrong I would scoff and consider the notion ridiculous.
Now though, after having read some more into it...I feel completely different about it. While the bombings did technically save lives by preventing an invasion of Japan I feel as if there were other options that could have been used.(Maybe instead of bombing the cities how about using the bombs as a show of force to get the Japanese administration to back down? How about instead of bombing CIVILIAN CITES they instead target important military sites?)
I perfectly understand why it was done but I can no longer feel they were justified in my mind.
Not to mention the fact that while fewer people died than if we had simply invaded, their deaths were almost certainly more painful/drawn out, especially if you include those who developed cancer from the radiation. It's hard to say which is the better of the two options.
Maybe instead of bombing the cities how about using the bombs as a show of force to get the Japanese administration to back down? How about instead of bombing CIVILIAN CITES they instead target important military sites?
The unfortunate reality is that your strategy probably wouldn't have worked. By the end of the war the Japanese were committed to fighting down to the last civilian, and had we conducted the invasion it was expected they would have armed civilians to attack arriving soldiers as well. Just attacking military sites would have done little to affect their will to fight, unlike what destroying a civilian city did. It's not exactly something I think we as a nation are proud of doing, but it was what kinda had to be done to prevent the loss of millions more lives.
What I've noticed few people have mentioned is that while they expected anywhere from half a million to a million deaths on the American side from the invasion, the Secretary of State's staff predicted anywhere from 5 to 10 million deaths on the Japanese side including armed civilians. While the 1-200 thousand in Japan that ended up dying was really bad, especially with the radiation and all of the other effects, I think it was at least a little better than the alternative.
The scary thing is that we had to use the bomb twice to get them to surrender. The fact that the Japanese didn't look like they were going to surrender after losing an entire city to one bomb until we dropped another seems extremely frightening.
Rhaka ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:30:43 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Ended up watching the whole movie. Good shit. Terrible shit too. But good shit.
Thank you. Eyeballs blown out of their sockets would have fucked me up a lot. I can't do eye gore. For some reason, I didn't fucking read the original post and was going to click on the link.
I somehow thought this was in response to something else. Sorry about that! I was also talking to someone about Hisashi Ouchi; one of my biggest irrational fears is radiation poisoning. Shoulda checked the context.
Anybody with the slightest bit of observation, knowledge of their own body and basic experience would scoff at the sloppy and lazy horror of the immediate "medical" effects. Sloppy animation and reasoning/concept there; if you can't figure out the context you shouldn't be responding except to get understanding. Oh, do you have a background in physics, too?
It was horrible and all that, knowing that this all really happened, but the people with no eyes all staggering along in the same direction was actually kind of silly, probably the animation.
The Tokyo firebombings were much worse. Asphalt streets would melt into a thick tar. Then, people would run out of burning houses, get a few feet into the road before their feet sunk down into the superheated street, which would make them fall, face-first into blisteringly hot asphalt, where they'd die.
nagrom7 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:08:23 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Also there were many people who would have survived the bomb who then drank the water, not knowing that it was highly irradiated.
Watch Barefoot Gen. That movie captured the horror of the Atomic Bombings better than anything I've seen, and it's even crazier with the fact that it's animated.
American version of events as per my history textbook: "america saving lives"
Shadowex3 ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 14:32:52 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Conservative casualty estimates for an invasion were so high that every single purple heart awarded since ww2 has been from the batch made for the invasion of Japan. Millions of dead on each side was the low estimate.
You are citing an estimate by Americans for the american military, the most highly suspect source you can find basically.
Also from the same source you are citing.
Over the course of time, different arguments have gained and lost support as new evidence has become available and as new studies have been completed. However, a primary and continuing focus has been on the role of the bombings in Japan's surrender and the U.S.'s justification for them based upon the premise that the bombings precipitated the surrender. This remains the subject of both scholarly and popular debate. In 2005, for example, in an overview of historiography about the matter, J. Samuel Walker wrote, "the controversy over the use of the bomb seems certain to continue."[2] Walker stated, "The fundamental issue that has divided scholars over a period of nearly four decades is whether the use of the bomb was necessary to achieve victory in the war in the Pacific on terms satisfactory to the United States."[2]
Supporters of the bombings generally assert they caused the Japanese surrender, preventing massive casualties on both sides in the planned invasion of Japan: Kyลซshลซ was to be invaded in October 1945 and Honshลซ five months later. It was thought Japan would not surrender unless there was an overwhelming demonstration of destructive capability.
Those who oppose the bombings argue it was militarily unnecessary,[3] inherently immoral, a war crime, or a form of state terrorism.[4]
Which is also the only source you can find because only the Americans and the British were planning an invasion of Japan. And remember the earlier point made that the people who planned the invasion, with the exception of one or two top generals, knew nothing about the bomb and were looking at the invasion from the perspective of it being the only option.
Which is also the only source you can find because only the Americans and the British were planning an invasion of Japan.
There are other sources, people of the time weren't uniquely in the position to guess casualties of war.
remember the earlier point made that the people who planned the invasion, with the exception of one or two top generals, knew nothing about the bomb and were looking at the invasion from the perspective of it being the only option.
Possibly, I haven't vetted that claim. The point remains though as far as sources go this one is potentially highly biased. To quote truman's reason to use the bomb "We have used it in order to shorten the agony of war, in order to save the lives of thousands and thousands of young Americans". The only reason mentioned is to save american soldiers lives, Japanese civilians aren't even an afterthought, making that particular source highly suspect whatever their account may be.
That's not to say estimates of potentially unbiased sources don't exist saying that more lives would be lost if bomb don't exist, the point is they are a guess, not a fact as my american textbook passed it off as (and many of them are highly biased).
Not to mention dropping the bombs was an act of genocide and an abhorrent war crime against all the rules of war. The Americans refuse to acknowledge this and insist on describing the act of genocide as " saving lives".
To quote truman's reason to use the bomb "We have used it in order to shorten the agony of war, in order to save the lives of thousands and thousands of young Americans". The only reason mentioned is to save american soldiers lives, Japanese civilians aren't even an afterthought, making that particular source highly suspect whatever their account may be.
The President isn't going to tell his nation that they dropped the bomb to save the lives of people they had to fight for 4 years. He's going to tell them that they did it for them. You have to remember that we're talking about a country that will have just finished a years-long global war on two fronts against multiple enemies on top of spending billions in development to keep up with whatever the Germans might have been developing. No one is going to want to hear anything positive about their enemy, especially right after all of that.
That's not to say estimates of potentially unbiased sources don't exist saying that more lives would be lost if bomb don't exist, the point is they are a guess, not a fact as my american textbook passed it off as (and many of them are highly biased).
I can't really speak for the people who wrote your textbook. They can be quite biased.
Not to mention dropping the bombs was an act of genocide and an abhorrent war crime against all the rules of war. The Americans refuse to acknowledge this and insist on describing the act of genocide as " saving lives".
Woah, woah. Genocide? You're calling dropping two atomic bombs and losing maybe 2-300K lives genocide when 12 million people were systematically murdered just a continent away? And if memory (and Wikipedia) serve correct, one of the purposes of the rules of war are to end said war as quickly as possible. That is exactly what the purpose of the bomb was. End the war before millions more die. And that is exactly what the bomb did, as far as we can see. Admittedly, the strategy used turned out to be controversial, and there may have been other, possibly better alternatives. But as far as could have been seen at the time, using the bomb was the best option to quickly end the war with less lives lost.
Woah, woah. Genocide? You're calling dropping two atomic bombs and losing maybe 2-300K lives genocide
Of course, it seems you have trouble confronting this truth, just like virtually all Americans I have met.
And if memory (and Wikipedia) serve correct, one of the purposes of the rules of war are to end said war as quickly as possible.
Those are some grade A mental gymnastics if you think that in anyway endorses genocide of civilians at an unprecedented scale. Rule #1 as per your own source is "Protecting both combatants and non-combatants from unnecessary suffering."
That is exactly what the purpose of the bomb was. End the war before millions more die.
According to the person who used the bomb it was to save american lives.
End the war before millions more die. And that is exactly what the bomb did, as far as we can see.
You don't know that.
Admittedly, the strategy used turned out to be controversial, and there may have been other, possibly better alternatives. But as far as could have been seen at the time, using the bomb was the best option to quickly end the war with less lives lost.
That is at best your opinion, not a fact.
The President isn't going to tell his nation that they dropped the bomb to save the lives of people they had to fight for 4 years. He's going to tell them that they did it for them.
You don't know that, again your passing off tour opinion as a fact. As it stands he stated his intention was to save american lives (by committing genocide).
Of course, it seems you have trouble confronting this truth, just like virtually all Americans I have met.
You seem to have forgotten the other part of that sentence. The part about how 12 million people were dead from a systematic attempt at destroying multiple cultures. Yet you keep complaining about the attempt to end World War 2 before it could stretch on for two more years.
Trying to end a war as soon as possible by killing as few people as we reasonably can while still making a point that you need to stand down and surrender now might not be the best possibly moral decision, but it ended the war. What alternative do you suggest to the bomb that doesn't involve invading and is effective?
Those are some grade A mental gymnastics if you think that in anyway endorses genocide of civilians at an unprecedented scale. Rule #1 as per your own source is "Protecting both combatants and non-combatants from unnecessary suffering."
But did we know that the effects of radiation would be present in the way they were? I don't think anyone did. And while yes, the people of Hiroshima and Nagasaki suffered, it kept the rest of Japan from having to suffer as well. Japan lost two cities and their empire status instead of the entire country being reduced to ashes.
According to the person who used the bomb it was to save american lives.
And those are still human lives, right? Or are Americans inhuman to you?
You don't know that.
I don't know what? That the bomb ended the war in late 1945 instead of stretching it into 1947? Or that 300,000 people died instead of millions? What do you know then?
That is at best your opinion, not a fact.
That there may have been better alternatives is my opinion. It is a fact that the bomb was the best option they could quickly end the war with at the time, because if there was a better option they would have used that instead.
You don't know that, again your passing off tour opinion as a fact. As it stands he stated his intention was to save american lives (by committing genocide).
But you're not looking at the context. Did you want President Truman to stand up and say, "We dropped the bomb so we wouldn't have to kill even more Japanese people to get them to surrender?" He's of course going to leave the focus on the people he is talking to, and the people of the country he has to lead.
And I'm starting to feel that you don't really know what you're talking about when it comes to genocide, considering how much you keep throwing it around.
You seem to have forgotten the other part of that sentence. The part about how 12 million people were dead from a systematic attempt at destroying multiple cultures.
Genocide elsewhere is irrelevant to the fact that US committed mass genocide in Japan.
Yet you keep complaining about the attempt to end World War 2 before it could stretch on for two more years
By this you mean the genocide committed by the US under the pretext to "save lives" that goes against all the rules of war.
Trying to end a war as soon as possible by killing as few people as we reasonably can while still making a point that you need to stand down and surrender now might not be the best possibly moral decision, but it ended the war
By this I take it you believe the US was justified in committing genocide to end the war, however, let's not pretend it wasn't a war crime against all the rules of war.
What alternative do you suggest to the bomb that doesn't involve invading and is effective?
How about not committing genocide and abiding by the rules of war?
But did we know that the effects of radiation would be present in the way they were? I don't think anyone did...
We knew the bomb was going to annihilate the civilian cities it was dropped upon and it was knowingly used against all the rules of war, ignorance of radiation doesn't invalidate this.
the people of Hiroshima and Nagasaki suffered, it kept the rest of Japan from having to suffer as well. Japan lost two cities and their empire status instead of the entire country being reduced to ashes.
Would you condone the actions of a dictator who gasses the rebels along with their women and children under the pretext (perhaps even rightly) of ending a drawn out conflict sooner? Oh its genocide in that case? Then why are you making an exception for america who is murdering non combatants at an unprecedented scale?
Again we don't know if the war could have been won with less or more casualties had we not used a bomb, US apologists are passing a guess off as fact.
And those are still human lives, right? Or are Americans inhuman to you?
Civilian lives take precedent over the lives of soldiers in war as per the rules of war, that you would make such a self victimizing statement leads me to believe you are highly biased on this subject.
don't know what? That the bomb ended the war in late 1945 instead of stretching it into 1947? Or that 300,000 people died instead of millions? What do you know then?
I know your juatifying genocide on a highly questionable and biased guess, likely commissioned and used to justify using the bomb on civilian cities.
That there may have been better alternatives is my opinion. It is a fact that the bomb was the best option they could quickly end the war with at the time, because if there was a better option they would have used that instead.
This is assuming the US had the interest of japanese civilians in equal value , when describing the reason he used the bomb, Truman cites the desire to save more american soldiers lives as his motivation.
But you're not looking at the context. Did you want President Truman to stand up and say, "We dropped the bomb so we wouldn't have to kill even more Japanese people to get them to surrender?" He's of course going to leave the focus on the people he is talking to, and the people of the country he has to lead.
I don't see how that's obvious at all.
And I'm starting to feel that you don't really know what you're talking about when it comes to genocide, considering how much you keep throwing it around.
As per the definition of the term, hiroshima and Nagasaki were genocide.
Don't waste your time, dude. No amount of logic can sway someone emotionally tied to their argument.
rugtoad ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:56:47 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I don't really understand why people aren't allowed to be skeptical about the "estimates", at least to some degree.
I mean, what if we didn't have the bomb? Would we have invaded knowing those numbers? I don't really know, but I imagine we'd have tried pretty much everything else (and yes, I know several other things were tried).
But looking at the historical context...the US really did have a compelling reason to find an excuse to drop the bomb. Just having a superweapon is one thing. Demonstrating it in a desert is fine. But showing that you'll put it to use against a civilian population if a government doesn't acquiesce to your every demand?
Well, that makes you the instant big-boss-of-the-world, at least until the secrets behind your superweapon get out.
So, to me, the questions, "What is underpinning these estimates?, "Who is giving these estimates", and "What is the methodology used to reach them?" are completely valid, it's not simply an emotional "USA IS BAD!" plea.
These are perfectly reasonable questions which I don't think I've really ever seen comprehensive answers for. The answer above that says "Schoolbooks say that the estimates were this, so you can't have a source" is complete shit. It's not an answer, it's dismissing the objection by claiming that your position is common knowledge that is so completely intuitive that it requires no source, and deserves no skepticism.
I don't buy that for a second. It's the complete opposite of logic. Shit, it's a defined formal fallacy.
If we had a good reason to believe that the ensuing invasion was unavoidable and would have resulted in millions dead on either side, and we used that reason to target civilians with an atomic weapon, then that reasoning should be among the most transparent, most fully explored pieces of modern history out there.
Yet, in this thread, it is dismissed as "Hey dipshit, this estimate is discussed in every primary school in the US, it's a part of every US history textbook!", as if the US doesn't have a compelling reason to make sure that history doesn't judge this act as a war crime.
Well, the books aren't wrong. 300,000 total lives were lost in the atomic bombings on Japan. The vast majority, if not all of the lives lost were civilian, yes, but a full blown invasion of Japan would've been even more catastrophic for both sides. The allied forces would've been facing not only the Japanese military, but also the countless number of radicalized civilians who would've died defending their land and their Emperor. The initial allied invasion force would've been decimated before they even made landfall due to kamikaze attacks, and then actually pushing into the territory would've been met with heavy resistance / traps, and hundreds of thousands of both innocent and hostile civilian deaths that may have exceeded those lost in the atomic detonations. Match that up with soldier deaths, and you're looking at 500,000 to 1,000,000+ casualties easily by the end of the invasion.
Don't get me wrong, nuclear weapons are the worst thing humanity has ever created, and it wasn't a moral thing to do. Sure, America did warn the Japanese people of potential bombings, but they did not warn them of the sheer destruction of the bombs they would use. They only hinted that they'd be bombed at some point with only one exception to that. The only warning of an atomic bomb they gave was to Nagasaki, but it gave little notice and Japanese authority would punish those who read the leaflets.
The vast majority, if not all of the lives lost were civilian, yes, but a full blown invasion of Japan would've been even more catastrophic for both sides
According to biased sources, and all your numbers are objectively speculation.
If the only basis for biased estimates is that they are coming from people who are citizens of the country that is invading, then yes. It wasn't just military correspondents who made these estimates, you know. Countless historians looking back have made casualty estimates of a mainland Japanese invasion of upwards of 1 million. The numbers are of course speculation, but they are grounded in facts. The fact is, a large amount of the Japanese population were willing to sacrifice their lives for their country. The Japanese military would not only staunchly defend their land, but would do so effectively through use of the terrain like they did in previous battles against the Americans.
All one has to do is look at the battle of Okinawa to see how devastating a mainland invasion of Japan would've been. In 3 months an estimated 200,000 lives were lost which includes an average estimate of 95,000 civilians. Okinawa lost an estimated (and roughly) 1/3rd of their population in just 3 months.
That entire battle was conducted on an island with 900 square miles of land. The Japanese mainland is over 125,000 square miles of land. Japan at that time had roughly 70 million civilians total. While you can't properly scale the battle of Okinawa to a mainland invasion due to the full scale invasion being much larger, the land available being larger, and the fact the mainland invasion never happened to begin with, it's not hard to imagine that a civilian death toll of 100,000~ from Okinawa would've been the scaled to the same as, if not more, than the atomic attacks.
Again, I'm not defending the atomic bombs being dropped, I'm just defending the notion that a mainland invasion wouldn't have resulted in as many deaths. I feel as though America could've sent a message to Japan simply by dropping atomic weapons off shore for Japanese military to see their destruction capabilities.
The fact is, a large amount of the Japanese population were willing to sacrifice their lives for their country.
Historically this scene of a people fighting a lost battle to the last man against an invader is seen across cultures as something noble and admirable, even by Americans.
Now take historical examples where there the invading army takes a losing but stubborn resistance's civilians and slaughters them in front of them to get them to surrender. What do we call that across cultures? Genocide. What do americans call it when a dictator gasses their local freedom fighters along with their women and children under the pretext of ending the conflict sooner and saving lifes (perhaps even accurately)? Oh genocide is it? Yeah genocide.
Yet here we have in my history textbook in high school an account of america slaughtering civilians at a scale that dwarfs all other examples of genocide in history, and it has the AUDACITY to call the genocide "saving lives". fuck you.
That is bullshit propaganda written by the perpetrators being passed of as fact.
I'm not saying the war couldn't have cost more lives, I have a problem with people passing off estimates of lives lost if the bombs weren't dropped made by people wanting to use the bomb as fact and I have a problem with people not being able to admit dropping the bombs wasn't an act of genocide but in turn "saving lives"
Even if we could with complete certainty say it reduced the amount of people that would die (we can't), the dropping of the atomic bombs on civilian cities was still an act of genocide and a war crime. There is no history textbook in the US that will acknowledge it as such however.
I never argued that the dropping of atomic bombs wasn't an act of genocide. War is hell, WWII had such large scales of genocide it isn't even remotely possible to properly scale it. You had nations on both the Axis and Allied powers bombing the living hell out of cities under the pretext that they were destroying military installations / things that furthered the war cause.
This isn't the answer you'd want to hear, but at the time of WWII we didn't have the rules of war that we have now. In WWII it was completely within rule to bomb a city for any reason as long as you were at war with them. This is why you didn't see Germany, the UK, the US, or Japan (to name a few) charged with war crimes after the war ended. Those 4 parties were guilty of bombing cities almost completely off the map.
Yet here we have in my history textbook in high school an account of america slaughtering civilians at a scale that dwarfs all other examples of genocide in history...
Ok, I'm hoping you're embellishing here. The atomic bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki aren't even the biggest acts of genocide in WWII, let alone history. From WWII alone you had the Holocaust and the systematic destruction of Chinese villages by the Japanese. Both of those events led to an estimated 11 million dead at the hands of Germany and 6 million dead at the hands of Japan. Then you'd also have to include the USSR troops killing men, raping women, and pillaging conquered German cities as they marched into Nazi controlled territory. All genocide is bad, but saying the atomic bombings were the worst act of Genocide in history when it can't even compare scale-wise to at least 3-4 other events in that same war is just silly.
...and it has the AUDACITY to call the genocide "saving lives"
This is where we obviously won't agree, but it did save lives, whether it was genocide or not. Hell, if you wanted to be darker, it may have saved Japan as a nation. It's not very well known, but shortly before the US used nuclear weapons against Japan the USSR declared war on them. Had the mainland invasion gone through it's quite possible we'd have seen a situation that we saw with Germany with it being split between the US / FRA / UK forces and the USSR. Yes, purely speculation, but it's still grounded in fact. Which is again, where we will probably agree to disagree.
I have a problem with people passing off estimates of lives lost if the bombs weren't dropped made by people wanting to use the bomb as fact
It's not only people who wanted to use the bomb. It's estimated by current historians as well as journalists from that time (many of whom discouraged the use of those bombs on a moral basis [historians] and those that didn't even know those weapons existed [journalists of the time of WWII]) that the lives lost from both sides would've very easily exceeded over 1 million.
I have a problem with people not being able to admit dropping the bombs wasn't an act of genocide but in turn "saving lives"
Well, I can sort of agree with that. I view it as both. It was genocide by definition, but it also saved lives.
the dropping of the atomic bombs on civilian cities was still an act of genocide and a war crime
As I mentioned earlier, it's a war crime by today's standards. Back then, it was not.
I never argued that the dropping of atomic bombs wasn't an act of genocide.
My bad I confused you with other guy denying this I was talking to.
War is hell, WWII had such large scales of genocide it isn't even remotely possible to properly scale it. You had nations on both the Axis and Allied powers bombing the living hell out of cities under the pretext that they were destroying military installations / things that furthered the war cause.
That genocide was committed by all sides is true at times, though in most cases they weren't targeting civilians when we are talking about bombing, the bombing of London and germany, few people died and though intended to demoralize it had opposite effect.
Ok, I'm hoping you're embellishing here. The atomic bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki aren't even the biggest acts of genocide in WWII, let alone history. From WWII alone you had the Holocaust and the systematic destruction of Chinese villages by the Japanese. Both of those events led to an estimated 11 million dead at the hands of Germany and 6 million dead at the hands of Japan. Then you'd also have to include the USSR troops killing men, raping women, and pillaging conquered German cities as they marched into Nazi controlled territory. All genocide is bad, but saying the atomic bombings were the worst act of Genocide in history when it can't even compare scale-wise to at least 3-4 other events in that same war is just silly.
I agree with what you've said, what I'm trying to say is never before had so many people been killed instantly and deliberately in history.
This is where we obviously won't agree, but it did save lives, whether it was genocide or not. Hell, if you wanted to be darker, it may have saved Japan as a nation. It's not very well known, but shortly before the US used nuclear weapons against Japan the USSR declared war on them. Had the mainland invasion gone through it's quite possible we'd have seen a situation that we saw with Germany with it being split between the US / FRA / UK forces and the USSR. Yes, purely speculation, but it's still grounded in fact. Which is again, where we will probably agree to disagree.
I'm not saying casualties couldn't have exceeded lives lost in the genocide of Hiroshima and nagasaki. I'm saying we don't know, my history was passing of this opinion as fact using biased sources when there is no scholarly consensus on the subject.
But more importantly that genocide is never justified and goes against all the rules of war, whatever your pretext may be.
It's not only people who wanted to use the bomb. It's estimated by current historians as well as journalists from that time (many of whom discouraged the use of those bombs on a moral basis [historians] and those that didn't even know those weapons existed [journalists of the time of WWII]) that the lives lost from both sides would've very easily exceeded over 1 million
Yes but that was just their best guess, and there are people in those fields who argue the other side as well.
Had my history textbook acknowledged it was genocide and that it was an action based on estimates of future casualties made by whatever sources, I'd be fine with it. But it passed it off as fact that the genocide was just "saving lives".
As I mentioned earlier, it's a war crime by today's standards. Back then, it was not.
It was against the rules of war to murder civilians and commit genocide, some people under Truman acknowledge this.
That genocide was committed by all sides is true at times, though in most cases they weren't targeting civilians when we are talking about bombing, the bombing of London and germany, few people died and though intended to demoralize it had opposite effect.
It's true, the targets of most bombings were strategic in WWII (which includes Hiroshima and Nagasaki), but they still resulted in mass casualties. I can't really research right now as I'm on my phone, but IIRC about 500 died as a result of the London bombings, and 20k+ died in Warsaw due to German bombings.
I agree with what you've said, what I'm trying to say is never before had so many people been killed instantly and deliberately in history.
Instantly, absolutely. We're talking 160k-200k+ people dead in just a matter of seconds. Deliberately, I don't think you could say that. Not with events like the Holocaust, Japanese killing of millions of Chinese citizens, and other such events happening prior (or during) the nuclear bombings.
I'm saying we don't know, my history was passing of this opinion as fact using biased sources when there is no scholarly consensus on the subject.
Absolutely, it's all estimates and speculation. I disagree that the sources are biased, as for many of them the only biased part of them would be they are US citizens. I can understand how you could view a US General giving an estimate being biased if he also supported the use of the bomb, but other than that I simply cannot agree.
But more importantly that genocide is never justified and goes against all the rules of war, whatever your pretext may be.
I can agree it isn't ever justified as there will be a better way to go about something rather than killing off a bunch of innocent people and that it goes against the current rules of war.
It was against the rules of war to murder civilians and commit genocide, some people under Truman acknowledge this.
The crux of that is that it was against the rules to murder civilians and commit civilians IF it wasn't strategic. IE. you couldn't just waltz into a city and start shooting civilians. It was not against the rules of war at the time if the murders were considered justified and the casualties were side effects (as awful as that sounds).
Hiroshima was the home of a large military base and military HQ. It also was used as a relatively active hub for the Japanese navy to use. In fact, one of the aircraft carriers used to attack Pearl Harbor was stationed, armed, and set sail towards Hawaii from Hiroshima.
Nagasaki was a large hub for Japanese naval transportation as well as a industrial target.
While it's not exactly a fair comparison due to the size and power of the bombs used, what America did was no different than what Germany or Britain did in WWII. The key difference of course being they used absolutely massive bombs capable of leveling an entire city. They, like other allied forces, did give advance warning of the bomb. They did not, however, mention the exact type of bomb they'd be using. Not that they'd be able to comprehend the power of an atomic bomb, though.
I'm not trying to justify the use of atomic bombs, just trying to shed some light on it. Again, I think just detonating an atomic bomb off shore near land so the Japanese could understand how screwed they'd be, the message would've gotten across before a land invasion was necessary.
There was obviously other reasons besides taking out military / industrial installations that the US decided to do what they did.
They wanted the war to end ASAP, and quite frankly, they did NOT want the USSR to get a chance to reach Tokyo before Japan surrendered to them. As I mentioned in a previous post, had the USSR had enough time after declaring war to mount a large offensive on Japan, we would've seen another East + West Germany just in form of Japan.
In a darker sense, they wanted to see the raw power of atomic weaponry on a city that wasn't bombed prior. They had a list of cities they'd want / need to target to cripple Japan's war effort, and Hiroshima and Nagasaki were on that list. Unfortunately for the citizens of those cities, they were among those chosen as nuclear targets. That just meant they wouldn't be bombed at all until the US decided it was time to use nuclear weaponry.
I'm rather confused by your argument at this point. Yes, the nuclear bombings were horrible but a land invasion would have cost even more lives when added up on both sides and you seemingly forget the countless and I mean countless atrocities committed by the Japanese during that war.
I'm rather confused by your argument at this point
My argument is that USA doesn't admit it committed genocide in order to not risk american soldiers lives.
Yes, the nuclear bombings were horrible
*Genocide, they dropped TWO atomic bombs on civilians.
a land invasion would have cost even more lives when added up on both sides
According to estimates of parties interested in using the bomb and not risking american soldiers lives, at best speculation in any case.
you seemingly forget the countless and I mean countless atrocities committed by the Japanese during that war.
Japan committed war crimes therefore american acts of genocide don't count? Thats a non sequitur, that Japan committed war crimes as well is irrelevant to americans doing so.
I'm not saying that the American bombing doesn't count but the Japanese sure as hell had it coming. Stop being so salty about something that they brought into themselves after Nanking.
Pearl Harbor had nothing to do with Japan until Japan bombed it. Also, the civilians of the Pacific didn't do anything to deserve the absolute hell Japan released upon them. If anything, it's the Japanese Emporer's fault.
Though this is moot, if the bombs weren't dropped, we might have been having this conversation about how bad it was that the Allies (which included more than the States) had to invade Japan on land.
I get it your opinion is genocide is justified under the pretext of saving american soldier lives, but at least yield the point it was genocide and civilians murdered by the bombs, were entirely innocent.
Is it also true when a dictator murders a civilian population by claiming it the greater good by being a means to end a conflict sooner? No it is genocide in that case?
Even if you fail to see how morally repugnant that position is, outlawing genocide and other war crimes is also about self interest, not a desire to be gentlemanly in war.
If we were ever invaded our civilians, POW's can expect certain treatment, even in war and being on the losing side and as such, the rules of war, are something we should uphold.
If the US was invaded I don't like the invaders chances. The possibility of them even capturing a decent amount of civilians would be in some high "gun control" state like California.
You dug that deep? Lol and I know how that must seem but I'm not like a large portion of people who like Trump and from my understanding Rand Paul is largely tolerated on both sides of the aisle
Yeah about 30 seconds deep, anyway hope you enjoyed our two term black president ruling over you and that you will enjoy a woman president in the near future.
Why would I care about either of those? You assume I'm a racist and misogyinst because I want Rand/trump for president. Grow up!
randarrow ยท 37 points ยท Posted at 04:22:30 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Hisashi Ouchi and the Tokaimura accident. Following instructions from his inept managers, accidentally allowed a bucket of radioactive material to go critical. Received a 20 sievert radiation dose, 5 is considered fatal, single dose of 8 is guaranteed to be fatal (but there have been higher long-term exposures). Took him 83 days to die. He lost the ability to speak after 7 days, some of his last words were "I can't take it any more. ... I am not guinea pig". They wouldn't let him die, refused to switch to palliative care, kept pumping him full of probes and fluid transfusions until nothing was left. His DNA was described as shattered and his flesh was sloughing off of his bones while he was still alive.
Description of the first link (for the curious):
My biggest fear is radiation poisoning, and my friend showed me a picture, unprompted one night.
His skin isn't there. It is sliding, rather than melting off of his body. His limbs (all four) are suspended in the air, with bone and muscle mass exposed. His limbs are tapered towards the end, basically with (from what I saw, I didn't look long) nubs at the end.
Does the third link have images? I'm never looking again. :)
buttegg ยท 250 points ยท Posted at 00:27:36 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
PSA Flight 182. My interest in aviation led me to reading about it and I seriously regret ever doing that.
Eye witnesses from a residential area said they saw a screaming man ejected from the fuselage, gliding in a prone, arms-outstretched position before making contact with the windshield of a parked car. They referred to him as "Superman"
The worst thing about this crash is how there were only a couple of corpses left behind. Everything else was unidentifiable due to the hard impact and the fire.
It's awful how many lives we have to lose in order to make aviation safer. All of the rules and regulations we have today are written in blood.
I too have an interest in aviation, and before scarring my soul with the fucked-up stories of voluntary actions, my first thought had been Alaska Airlines Flight 261. The last ten minutes of that flight would have been agonizing.
tbos92 ยท 52 points ยท Posted at 06:58:50 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Wasn't there a plane that crashed a few years back because the pilots kid played around with the sticks? I remember watching the simulation of that flight - absolutely heartbreaking, especially because there is a point where they almost recover it... almost
The story of this University of Michigan basketball player is an absolutely horrible thing to live through. Surviving one plane crash might be a spot of good luck, but having to survive two? Your luck is shit at that point. If you don't want to read the article then I'll say the gist. This kid from my city survived two seperate airplane (they were some single props I think) crashes, both times piloted by his father. The first crash in 2003, his mother, sister, and brother died but he and his father lived. The second crash in 2011, his father and step-mother died. If he never wanted to look at a plane again, it would be completely justified.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 07:13:25 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Oh god I got panic attacks reading that
dashdanw ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:25:49 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Due to the severity of the impact and the destruction of the passenger cabin, very few bodies were found intact. All occupants were identified using fingerprints, dental records, tattoos, personal items, and anthropological examination.
Damn
Boro84 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:46:50 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
obviously there were survivors and many less casualties but the story of Lynyrd Skynyrd's plane crash is pretty horrible
When Buddy Holly boarded the plane that would crash and kill him (along with Ritchie Valens and The Big Bopper) he joked to his friend Waylon Jennings, "I hope your bus freezes." Jennings responded, "well, I hope your ol' plane crashes."
It's awful how many lives we have to lose in order to make aviation safer
Terrible way of looking at it but it's closest to reality, no way to ever stop it though, people will always die, that's the sad part.
I had an instructor when in aviation maintenance courses that worked in Sioux City when United Airlines 232 crashed. ]
He was on travel that day and is so glad he was, the mechanics on the shop floor saw the crash and were absolutely traumatized witnessing it. Some mechanics had breakdowns on the spot and others rushed into the service trucks to try and save individuals but couldn't get to them; some people quit their jobs after the crash and others needed psychological help.
It's absolutely nuts how much fear a crash can put into an individual.
buttegg ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:00:32 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
My great-uncle worked for United Airlines doing maintenance during that. From the '70s up until the mid-to-late 2000s or something like that. Anyway, he was based in SFO, but it was a huge deal for everyone working for the company. The video they have of the plane crashing is insane, I really can't believe how so many people made it out of there alive.
I've flown probably 20-30 times and it still isn't a fun experience hahaha. I traveled all throughout Europe this past spring and have been on so many flights, so I'm proud my fears haven't prevented me from doing anything, but flying days are unpleasant. Thank god for Xanax tho lol
buttegg ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:17:32 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Bless Xanax. Good luck.
Sanoe ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 12:50:06 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
one of the germanwings flights this year, in March to be specific.
Co-Pilot locked the pilot out of the cockpit and set autopilot to decend mode and increased flight speed.
The time of descend from 10km to 30m took 10mins.. ( at 18m/s )Every single one of the 150 people on board died. Those must've been the longest 10 mins they were allowed to experience.
PSA Flight 182... collided with a Private Cessna 172 light aircraft ..over San Diego, California on September 25, 1978.
It was Pacific Southwest Airlines' first accident involving fatalities. The death toll of 144 makes it the deadliest aircraft disaster in California history. Until the crash of American Airlines Flight 191, it was also the deadliest plane crash in U.S. aviation history.
Both aircraft crashed into North Park, a San Diego neighborhood, killing all 137 people on both aircraft and seven people on the ground in houses, including two children. Nine others on the ground were injured and 22 homes were destroyed or damaged by the impact and the spreading of debris.
From wikipedia.
Holy shit.
and...
They had departed from Montgomery Field, and were navigating under VFR, which did not require the filing of a flight plan. Boswell was wearing a "hood" to limit his field of vision straight ahead to the cockpit panel, much like an oversize sun visor with vertical panels to block peripheral vision, as is normal in IFR training.
From what I'm reading here, it was caused by stupidity; carelessness. Fucking awful.
The Mayday episode was particularly dramatic, even by Mayday standards.
Heres_J ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:44:41 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Whoa. I always knew my cousin doesn't fly because when she was 5 or 6, "a plane crash" happened within near her house and she heard people screaming from it. I never knew the details until today. How horrifying!
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:14:30 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I feel horrible because I laughed at the superman thing. I'm so sorry to all the people who died.
Yet some idiots still cry about government regulation.
Jablon15 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:13:52 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
That's what's really bothers me about a lot of the laws or changes that are implemented for safety reasons. That someone had to die for change to happen. Even something simple as putting a stop sign at a dangerous intersection. For example, a few blocks away from my house there was a street that constantly had some kind of accident happen at least one to two times a month. People would write to village hall and other places begging for a simple
Stop sign to be put in. For years they did nothing until a 5 year old and his father were killed. Stop sign went in the next day.
csl512 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:20:27 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
That's true for a lot of industries. Look how many hundreds of thousands have died in US motor vehicle accidents over the years and how much lower the death rate is these days: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_motor_vehicle_deaths_in_U.S._by_year
And how many have died pretty terrible emphysema deaths from smoking. And coal mining is so much safer than it used to be. In the 60s and 70s there used to be over 1,500 people dying annually in the US from trains because there weren't typically gates at grade crossings - now there is about half as many deaths from trains. Gun violence and drunk driving, still lots of room for improvement.
Sort of related; the upside down cross is a representation of the crucifixion of peter, and isn't inherently offensive. That means a bunch of satanists have tattoos and jewelry of a Christian symbol.
There are even some churches that have the upside down cross in honor of St Peter
Enzo95 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:38:33 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
History says (as I remember it) that St. Peter asked to be crucified upside down because he wasn't worthy to be crucified like Jesus.
[deleted] ยท -25 points ยท Posted at 05:01:22 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Probably because the Romans knew the kind of shit Christians would get up to.
[deleted] ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 08:33:32 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
edge
[deleted] ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 08:52:13 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)*
Well it was rather jokey, but the reality is not far off. Sectarian violence in antiquity is recorded. Christians killing Christians has been going on from the time when it was just another bizzare obscure sect.
Take Athanasius of Alexandria, he was a violent sadistic killer, who also stole from the poor to enrich himself.
Illier1 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:52:46 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I like how you use big word to try and legitimize yourself.
[deleted] ยท 36 points ยท Posted at 23:48:41 on December 14, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Suffocated?
tydestra ยท 112 points ยท Posted at 23:56:49 on December 14, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
A good majority of the victims suffocated due to the lax of oxygen. The city burned for a whole week, and those who hid in shelters were particularly affected.
[deleted] ยท 55 points ยท Posted at 23:59:34 on December 14, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I hadn't really thought about the firestorm but I suppose it is called "The Firebombing of Dresden" for a reason.
opolaski ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 06:29:44 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Fire eats oxygen.
Eventually colder air comes down to replace the hot air that's rising, but the fire just goes into a tornado feeding frenzy on the oxygen coming down. Nothing gets to the ground where people are (dying).
swz ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 00:09:41 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Well I know Dresden was fire-bombed by the allies. My guess is there were instances where German civilians in bomb shelters had the oxygen sucked out of them from the burning of the city.
The outskirts were firebombed, in a strategic manner, so as to trap people inside the city, and kill them by suffocation. The suffocation was caused by the very intense fires consuming the available oxygen rapidly from the center, and then continuing to burn on oxygen from outside the ring of fire. Convection made the diffusion of oxygen into the center very slow, and any oxygen that was present was immediately consumed by the fire. It was a horrendous act, along with atrocities committed by both sides during the war.
NKHdad ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 02:20:22 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I went to St. Joan of Arc grade school...Never once have I heard her referred to as "St Arc" but I gotta say, I like it
tydestra ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 07:51:02 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
My grandfather told me that he could see the fire in Dresden from our hometown Gรถrlitz.
This two cities are like 100 km apart.
Tubaka ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:39:31 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Weren't Saint Lawrence the one who calmly told his executioner to flip him over because that side was done?
tydestra ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:05:04 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Yep, he's the one.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:24:44 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
St. Lawrence was roasted alive.
Most think it's a legend, but whatever, St. Lawrence was roasted alive on this "Graticola"(gridiron) conserved in the Churc of San Lorenzo in Lucina, Roma.
I've read an article that claims that rather than lighting a fire at the stake-ee's feet, they were enclosed in a hut-like construction of straw and hay which was set alight. They succumbed to smoke inhalation rather than burning.
Its not that he was in pain. He was put in a medical induced coma for the entirety of the time he was alive. The doctors never gave up hope and kept on trying to give him transplants and stem cells and stuff in a chance he might recover. Kudos to the doctors who agreed to operate on him considering he was radioactive himself.
They weren't trying to save him, he was a medical experiment the moment he went into the room.. not saying that's a bad thing, gotta learn these things as and when opportunities arise.
They put him in a medically induced coma though, so he wasn't conscious.
Gibbsey ยท 152 points ยท Posted at 06:25:23 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
" 83 days after the accident, on December 21st. Mister Ouchi succumbs to multiple organ failure. Fighting against the pain that covered his entire body as he lay in the hospital bed, it was he who continued to give words of encouragement to the family that stayed by him. The nurse in charge at the time testifies."
not sure how accurate that is but he wasn't in a coma the entire time
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 14:28:53 on December 16, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
speculative that they will experience them.
Not everyone experiences phantom pains from removed limbs.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:31:31 on December 16, 2015 ยท (Permalink)*
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[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:06:54 on December 16, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
... let me clear this up for you. This is troll-worthy, or you lost sight of the actual comment.
Saying someone will experience phantom pain is speculative.
No where do I deny their existence, or ability for people to perceive them. Somewhere you read that though. Your reading comprehension skills are maddening.
Do you want to place bets on if you will experience phantom pains when I cut off your arm in frustration? I speculate it will hurt as much as my head right now.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:56:50 on December 16, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Im glad you can admit your faults. Yes, it is ok to be wrong and sometimes words are confusing.
I encourage you to practice. Reading comprehension takes time and effort. You too can one day develop a level of intellect that allows for legitimate argumentative thought, relative to the point at hand, and not a side-bar argument.
nope, they knew he was a dead man. He originally agreed to allow them to learn about the process of his death by radiation poisoning. But after a short while he was begging them to let him die, to help him die. They just observed him.
j2o1707 ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 02:11:10 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Wow.. He was begging to be aloud go die? Wasn't he in a medically induced coma for a lot of the bad stuff?
I haven't searched the name, jusy putting things together form what I have read right here. (Guessing too.)
[deleted] ยท 28 points ยท Posted at 06:57:43 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
He was kept in a medically induced coma for most of it. During the times he was awake he was actually begging for them to let him die. To help him die.
He was in a great amount of pain, his skin was blackening, blistering, and literally just falling off of his body.
No being should ever have to experience a death like that.
riptaway ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 13:25:54 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Allowed
j2o1707 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:20:10 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I hate spelling mistakes, so I have proceeded to punch thy self.
Well, honestly, it probably helped people understand radiation exposure a lot better than the did before. At least he was in a coma for most of the time.
[deleted] ยท 43 points ยท Posted at 00:12:21 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
did you post this question in the hope that you could use that joke? 'Cause damn man thats some fine wit you've got there.
kotkaiser ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 08:32:54 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Everytime this is the response, and everytime I laugh.
[deleted] ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 04:37:48 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Burn!
RadLadSam ยท 294 points ยท Posted at 01:16:02 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
As someone who listened to OP's warning, could someone who braved the Google search give us an overview?
[deleted] ยท 675 points ยท Posted at 01:38:54 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
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Quad_H ยท 278 points ยท Posted at 02:44:12 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
i heard that the scientists purposely kept him alive as long as possible to study the effect of extreme radiation and for research purpose rather than healing him. They knew how much of pain he was in and that he wont survive yet still didnt let him rest. Poor guy, i cant even imagine how much pain he mustve been in and what was going through his mind..
Or you feel pain the entire time, it's just that noone remembers it upon waking.
jdovew ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 06:24:46 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
rather than healing him
Ummmmm, you're not healing what happened to him.
[deleted] ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 07:55:32 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
i heard that the scientists purposely kept him alive as long as possible to study the effect of extreme radiation and for research purpose rather than healing him. They knew how much of pain he was in and that he wont survive yet still didnt let him rest. Poor guy, i cant even imagine how much pain he mustve been in and what was going through his mind..
From what I understand, their idea was that what they could learn from suffering of this one man could have the potential to save hundreds, thousands, tens of thousands if similar event were to happen at a wider scale.
The subject of any thing nuclear is a big issue in Japan. Which makes sense given that it's the only country that ever experienced having weaponized nuclear weapon used against them.
And in 1999 the Cheronobyl disaster was still on people's minds--especially for the Japanese people.
I'm not saying whether or not I agree or disagree with what they did but I don't think their intentions were entirely malicious though perhaps heartless for the individual.
Quad_H ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 09:37:11 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
i agree with you
Aerda_ ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 07:32:15 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
It says in the article that the guy took that passage from that he was in a medically induced coma... the only pain he felt from this horrible accident was immediately afterwards, and not for all 90 something days that he was in the hospital.
I'm not sure "rather than healing him" was the reality. More likely it was rather than ending his life mercifully. They were studying him in an attempt to heal others from the knowledge, but there was nothing they could have done to save him.
What an opportunity to have a more educated guess the next time this happens. Sounds like they were groping in the dark trying ANYTHING. It is morally dubious to keep him alive as a test subject but they had the opportunity to try out treatments on thankfully an extremely rare 'illness'. Stem cells and everything.
It's like the question of what was to be done with the data generated by Axis experiments during the war. Very uncomfortable dilemma.
I'm almost positive that it was Hiroshi that told them to keep him alive for research. He took the pain to hopefully help find a cure to radiation poisoning.
To observe the effects of radiation on the human body.
Pedropz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:10:14 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
For research purposes...
Yeah, pretty cuntish
buttegg ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 06:32:27 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not looking at the image for obvious reasons. I don't know if I'm mentally ready for that kind of shit or if I ever will be. But uh, what did he look like? Charred? Melted?
My biggest fear is radiation poisoning, and my friend showed me a picture, unprompted one night.
His skin isn't there. It is sliding, rather than melting off of his body. His limbs (all four) are suspended in the air, with bone and muscle mass exposed. His limbs are tapered towards the end, basically with (from what I saw, I didn't look long) nubs at the end.
I've watched murder videos without it being a super big deal, but this fucked me up. A lot.
buttegg ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:55:30 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Ohhhh shit. Yep. Definitely not gonna look at that.
I could handle most of that, but what got me was that one of the last things one of the victims of the accident wrote (he lost the ability to speak, but could still write) was "mommy, please".
In a similar vein, there's Louis Slotin. He was experimenting with nuclear materials at Los Alamos, triggered a critical reaction and was dosed with a huge amount of radiation. Took him nine days to die. There's some speculation as to whether he might be the inspiration for Dr. Manhattan.
After suffering patiently for a week, Ouchi suddenly cracked. "I can't take it any more. ... I am not guinea pig". (p.52) His words shocked the physicians and nurses in charge of his treatment. Was this the time to shift the focus from cure to palliative care? Even if a case could be made for persevering a bit longer, what purpose could possibly have been served by resuscitating him on the 59th day, after his heart stopped three times for a total of 49 minutes? (p.92-95) This was a man whose chromosomes had been destroyed. "[N]one of Ouchi's chromosomes could be identified or arranged in order."(p.38) Ouchi's body was destroyed from the inside out. (p.122) It was a slow, painful and presumably unpreventable death. Surely the doctors should have been able to recognize very early that he could not be saved.
He was able to communicate for 10 days, then lived for another 73.
Actually, extreme dose acute radiation poisoning,prolonged by treatment he was given. Radiation burns are not the same.
RC_COW ยท 27 points ยท Posted at 01:33:14 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Think of it as his body was a hand his skin was a glove and the hand left the glove then his insides turned to water.
Dgamer2 ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 01:40:32 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
ye, he had radiation sickness and from what it looks like his skin basically i guess melted. they didn't let him die and kept him alive as long as they could 3ish months.
Exposed to more radiation than anyone has ever been recorded to be subjected to, of the most cell-damaging type (neutron radiation), kept alive almost 90 days despite the fact without measures beyond heroic he shouldn't have lived two weeks.
Basically the type of radiation (and the amount he had) rips your chromosomes apart when it comes into contact with you. As a result all of his skin started falling off andโฆyeah.
jberd45 ยท 64 points ยท Posted at 04:10:23 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
After famed Roman orator Cicero was assassinated by Mark Antony's men in 43 B.C; Cicero's sister in law Pomponia found out who ratted him out, a slave named Philologus. She got a hold of Philologus, and among other punishments, she forced him to cut off pieces of his own flesh, cook them and then eat them
Bezulba ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 08:59:09 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I still find it amusing that in the English language Marcus Atonius actually has his name westernised but a lot of others from that era didn't.
Regilppo ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 10:30:59 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Do you know why it was westernized? I'm just curious..
Bezulba ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:50:55 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Didn't see anyone mention Matthew Shepard. He was tricked by two men in a gay bar who said they would take him home. Then they beat the shit out of him, pistol whipped him, cracked his skull, and then tied him to a fence and left him to die. His face was so bloody, the only area that was clear was what his tears had cleaned. Then, on top of that, he got beaten up by a third unrelated person who thought he was a scarecrow.
[deleted] ยท 138 points ยท Posted at 07:50:09 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
The third person is a myth, he was seen by someone who thought he was a scarecrow. But he approached him on his bike and called the police once he realized it was Matt.
Source: read the Laramie project by Moisรฉs Kaufman
Dhairis1 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 08:33:29 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
We performed some of the interview style scenes from the play created from the tragedy called the Laramie project and I just have to say that that play is so fantastic. Such a shame that it being a verbatim play means everything said was real and the poor lad had to go through all that.
ROOKIE99 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 15:55:50 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
As terrible as story this is, you are a bit off. It wasn't a gay bar. Matthew made a harmless advance on the guys and since they hated gays they tricked him and brought him to the field where they did as you said. He was never beaten up by the guy who thought he was a scarecrow. In fact, if i remember correctly, that guy called the cops.
super_ag ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 14:08:36 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
One of his killers was gay or at least bisexual and a drug dealer of his. He was not killed out of homophobia but for reasons associated with drugs and money.
rekta ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:52:49 on December 16, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
There have been a lot of factual questions about that book--it's in no way definitively determined that Shepard's death was due to drugs and not a hate crime.
super_ag ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:31:43 on December 16, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I'll trust the investigative journalism of a gay reporter who interviewed over 100 people and did not go into the story with an agenda over criticisms of The Shepard Foundation, who depends on Matt's death being as a honophobic hate crime in order to maintain donations coming in. They definitely have something to lose if it is determined Matt was killed over drugs and money instead of for being gay.
rekta ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:15:21 on December 16, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
The Shepard Foundation isn't the only group that's criticized the book. You're welcome to believe whatever you want. All I'm saying is that one person has written one book and that book's been questioned. It's impossible to definitively state, on that basis, that Shepard's death was due to drugs and not his sexuality. It's an open question. Anyone who is interested should pick up the book and read the criticisms of the book. My guess is that you've done neither.
edit: You know what, that's unfair. Maybe you've done both of those things. If so, you keep on keeping on.
super_ag ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 02:35:16 on December 17, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
So let's look at the evidence against the book presented in your own source.
First, you have Jiminez saying the the motivation of his book was this, "I thought the complexities surrounding Matthew's murder were important for us to understand if we're serious about preventing these kinds of acts of grotesque violence and hatred, and we need to understand the factors that came into play, all the factors that came into play."
Contrast that to the Shepard Foundation's response. "I thought the complexities surrounding Matthew's murder were important for us to understand if we're serious about preventing these kinds of acts of grotesque violence and hatred, and we need to understand the factors that came into play, all the factors that came into play. . .We do not respond to innuendo, rumor or conspiracy theories. Instead we remain committed to honoring Matthew's memory, and refuse to be intimidated by those who seek to tarnish it."
So Jiminez's goal is to find the truth and understand all the factors that came to play. The Shepard Foundation's goal is to Honor Matthew's memory. Which one would you trust? I would argue that the Shepard Foundation isn't concerned with the truth, as the truth might hurt their money-making ability. But I've already said that. So let's look at other criticisms/support.
Marsden, former friend of Shepard, said, "The quick and easy description of Matt Shepard gay bashed ... is about as far from the actual nuanced truth of what happened as it can get. . .I remember thinking at the time that the Matt Shepard case would forever go down in history as, you know, one of the saddest examples of gay bashing, but what it also was, was one of the saddest examples of the desperate lengths people on methamphetamine will go to."
Former Albany County Attorney Cal Rerucha praised the book saying, "I don't think the proof [of a hate crime] was there," and that friends of Shepard were "on a mission" to make his death into a hate crime.
Flint Waters, who arrested Henderson, says, "This is an amazing book! A painful story about a horrific event that left one man dead and many lives in pieces. It shines a brutal light on the weakest of human souls like two cops that chose to build their careers on a lie, at least in my opinion. It documents the original failure of the media, the community and the criminal justice system to find the real truth."
Mckinney, one of the murderers himself, said the motive was robbery, not homophobia.
And then the criticisms against:
Dave O'Malley, Laramie police commander, said he still believes Shepard was killed because he was gay and that Shepard's small frame and braces make it humorous to think that Shepard was a "methamphetamine kingpin." So this man's rebuttal is his belief of the motive. He also creates a straw man (never a good sign) that Shepard was a drug kingpin, but nobody is saying that. What was claimed was that Shepard was involved in the methamphetamine trade. Small framed men with braces are capable of selling drugs on the street, last time I checked. What's humorous is O'Malley's reasoning here.
Rob DeBee's, lead sheriff's investigator, only response is, "Jiminez didn't try to talk to me" and the notion that Shepard was a drug dealer is laughable. Again, very little facts being presented and a lot of opinion.
Defense attorney Skaggs, who defended Henderson, simply offers, "[He's] a reporter who doesn't know very much" about the case." That's hardly a convincing rebuttal.
The criticisms Jiminez has received do in fact appear to be "not offering up contrary proof or evidence to what I presented in the book. There's a lot of reaction to the idea of the book itself." Of course this isn't a conclusive gathering of all the support and criticism of the book, but it's what you offered, and it contains very few "factual errors" as you claim. There is also evidence that Aaron McKinney was bisexual and had had sexual relations with Shepard and had been caught by law enforcement officers having sex with men prior to the murder.
So no, I'm not convinced the narrative that the Left has pushed that Matthew Shepard was this innocent little boy who was targeted and killed for the crime of loving men is accurate. How many false narratives has the Left latched onto lately that had little bearing in truth? Al Sharpton continued to push the Tawana Brawley rape allegations long after they were proven false. Many on the Left still #StandWithJackie, despite her allegations of rape at Virginia have been thoroughly debunked. People still support Mattress Girl's campaign despite proof of texts that contradict her whole story. "Hands Up, Don't Shoot" is one of the WaPo's "lies of the year," and Michael Brown was made into a "gentle giant" instead of the petty thug who had robbed a store minutes before he assaulted a cop. Trayvon Martin was also made into a saint while George Zimmerman was a "white Hispanic" who hunted down an innocent black kid and killed him in cold blood. Those on the Left were quick to call Robert Lewis Dear a "Christian terrorist" but uphold that we must wait for all the facts to come out before the San Bernadino shooters can be called Muslim terrorists (and even if they were jijadis, they aren't real Muslims).
For many on the Left, narrative trumps truth, and truth can be wholly ignored if it does not promote their political agenda.
rekta ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:03:26 on December 17, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Jimenez employs some questionable standards in the book--he often fails to distinguish actual quotations spoken to him directly from things people told him other people said. He also doesn't establish whether the people he interviewed were credible, which is a big deal when you're talking about a bunch of meth users recalling things that happened a decade and a half ago. As well, these people are talking about things that happened 15 years prior; their recollections are spotty and there stories have changed repeatedly. Look at Aaron McKinney--at the time of the trial, he said that he had murdered Shepard because he was gay; later, he said he had no bad feelings towards homosexuals. Which is true and why should we automatically believe the latter? Jimenez's assessment that McKinney is bisexual (despite McKinney disavowing having had any sexual contact with men) appears to have come from an anonymous letter, which is awfully dubious.
This is basically Serial in book form--it probably uncovered some inconsistencies in the case, but too much time has passed and we're never going to definitively know what happened. You can keep saying that we know for a fact that Shepard was a meth dealer and that that's why he was murdered, but it's simply not true. We do not have enough evidence to state that. Interviewing 100 people about a drug scene that existed 15 years ago isn't going to provide solid ground for anything beyond saying, "Maybe we got this wrong, but we don't know for sure." That's just how this works.
I don't really care about your conspiracy theory about leftists in the last paragraph. You can go pick that bone with somebody else.
super_ag ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 03:42:44 on December 17, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Conspiracy theories? So Tawana Brawley was raped by the police? Michael Brown did have his hands up before being executed by Wilson? "Jackie" was gang raped by a frat at the University of Virginia? Emma Sulkowicz was raped but then texted her rapist, "I feel like we need to have some real time where we can talk about life and thingz, because we still haven't really had a palu-emma chil sesh since summmmerrrrr"? These are no conspiracy theories. They are concrete instances where people on the left suppress and ignore truth in order to continue to support a false-narrative.
I bet you think that 1 in 4 women on college are raped and that women make 77% as much as men for the same job too. All I'm saying is that the Left has a tendency to ignore facts when they run contrary to their predetermined narrative. They even invent new ethnicities like "white-Hispanic" in order to make a half-Mexican shooting the black man beating him up into a white-on-black hate crime. They make saints out of petty criminals and ignore stories that they don't like altogether. Every time a cop shoots a black person, it's national news, but when an illegal immigrant in a sanctuary city, who has been deported multiple times, kills a woman for no apparent reason, that's just a local story and doesn't need to be covered much at all.
rekta ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:51:15 on December 17, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
No, wait, I can't. You think "white Hispanic" is a new invention? Do you know why Hispanics are called Hispanics? Do you think Spaniards are not white?
super_ag ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:08:01 on December 17, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Was George Zimmerman of Spanish ancestry? Last time I checked, he was half-caucasian and half-Peruvian. If this person is a white-Hispanic, then this person should always be referred to as a white-black when reporting on him.
rekta ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:34:12 on December 17, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I don't care about George Zimmerman in particular. I care that you think the concept of white Hispanics is a new concept when it's been around since the Spaniards started colonizing the Americas and fucking its inhabitants. That's why you're a conspiracy theorist. You see something you don't like--George Zimmerman's putative racial status--and decide that everything that any liberal ever said about it is a lie they invented wholesale instead of exercising some common sense.
super_ag ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:44:49 on December 17, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Well since Hispanic simply means "Spanish-speaking," I'll concede that whites can be Hispanic, but that's not the point of my comment.
The New York Times made an otherwise Hispanic individual into a white person in order to shoehorn Martin's death into a white-on-black racial hate crime. This was not unintentional. LexisNexus results show that the term "white Hispanic" was almost never used by the NYT before the Martin shooting. If Zimmerman were killed by someone with lighter skin than him, there is no doubt the NYT would call him simply "Hispanic," but when they can portray him as an aggressor, all of a sudden he's white. Unless the NYT has a habit of calling all mixed-race persons by both of their ethnicities, this is an example of blatant yellow journalism. How many times does the NYT call Obama a half-white man? Obama is about as half-white as Zimmerman is half-white, yet one is always called black or African American and the other is a white-Hispanic, despite looking as Latino or Hispanic as any other person of Latin origin.
rekta ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:56:49 on December 17, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
That's a perfectly defensible position. "They even invent new ethnicities like "white-Hispanic"" is not. Do you see the difference? I didn't know anything in particular about Zimmerman's ethnic background beyond that he was Hispanic, until I wiki'd and saw that he was indeed born in Peru. That's shitty of the New York Times. Fair play to you. But it's not fair play to accuse liberals of inventing an ethnicity that, in point of fact, exists. It makes you look like a rabid conspiracy theorist.
It's the same thing with the book. All I'm saying is that that book is debatable--too much time has passed, the sources are too dubious, and Jimenez is too interested in presenting an interesting narrative rather than a rock solid one (which is fair enough; book's gotta be readable to sell). Maybe he's right, maybe he's wrong. In either case, I think it's shitty to say that he's definitively cracked the case. I'll admit that some of the responses to his book have been over the top--the Think Progress article I linked, while I agree with much of its criticism, goes in for some awfully personal hits that are unnecessary.
I'm not really interested in getting into a discussion of how people define race in America or in Hispanic countries, but suffice it to say that if you're looking for a straightforward one-to-one answer, you're not going to find one.
super_ag ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:08:22 on December 17, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Okay, I misspoke when I said the NYT "invented" the ethnicity of white-Hispanic. What I should have said is they intentionally used a valid ethnicity inappropriately with Zimmerman it to fit their narrative.
And I'm not saying all leftists are guilty of such, but there does seem to be a pattern of narrative being more important than truth when it comes to Leftist activism.
As for the Sheperd case, I'll also agree that only a couple of people know why Sherpard was killed for sure, and they're both rightfully rotting in prison. Anybody else cannot claim knowledge of the true motivations and are left to speculate. I should have posed my initial statement that his death wasn't necessarily due to homophobia but that it is likely to have more to do with drugs and money.
rekta ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:13:34 on December 17, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
And I'm not saying all leftists are guilty of such, but there does seem to be a pattern of narrative being more important than truth when it comes to Leftist activism.
Conservatives do the same thing. That's politics. It blows all around. I think we've reached a point where political pundits and cultural critics on both sides have ceased to have honest conversations and are just screeching into the void. That's why I blow so much of my time arguing on reddit. ยฏ_(ใ)_/ยฏ
rekta ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:47:30 on December 17, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Once these people get caught, I always wanna ask them: "Was doing that really worth spending the next X years of your life in prison?"
KhaosNox ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 11:39:32 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Absolutely awful. First time I heard about this was through the band Trivium - they wrote a pretty moving/powerful song about it called And Sadness Will Sear
What happened to the men that did this? I do remember reading about it, but if they had follow up on it here, it was buried too deep, I didn't catch it. (and I'm too tired to look it atm)
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:58:39 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Isn't there a movie or documentary about this? It sounds familiar
WidestM ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:10:28 on December 16, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I feel like this comment just made me realize how horrible of a person I am. I remember when Mathew Shepard's body was found and the terribleness of the whole event. But I never remembered the scarecrows part. That gave me a chuckle reading. I'm an awful person!!!
[deleted] ยท 249 points ยท Posted at 23:43:18 on December 14, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Some guy, Mithridates, killed a claimant to the throne and was tied to a boat and force fed milk and honey and left in his own waste and bugs came and harassed him for weeks on end. In the end he died of infection.
Edit: Was just brought to my attention that the guy I talk about below is a different Mithridates. I just saw the name and jumped on it, my bad!
Mithridates
Just heard a lot about this guy a guy with the same name who lived about 300ish years later thanks to Dan Carlin and Hardcore History (specifically the series Death-throes of the Roman Republic). Apparently he was immensely fearful of being poisoned his whole life (which wasn't crazy considering that happened to a lot of high ranking figures during the time) and was said to continually drink small amounts of poisons to build an immunity. As legend has it, when Pompey and his Legionaries were bearing down on Mithridates, Mithridates attempted suicide by consuming poison, which to great historical irony, didn't work because as planned he had built an immunity towards it. He had to have one of his slaves or someone kill him.
[deleted] ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 01:33:47 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
True as that is, that was a different Mithridates I think.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 01:41:21 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Anyone interested in some good podcasts that aren't about sports should probably look into listening to Dan Carlin. I don't listen to him all the time, and really haven't much at all, but it's a refreshing way of taking a break from current events and he's very good. The fact that it can be educational is bonus. It can be found through itunes IIRC.
Agreed, it actually helped me a lot in dealing with current events. After hearing his series on World War 1 and all that the people, both soldiers and civilians caught up in it, went through I came away thinking, you know, things aren't so bad today!
There's no evidence of it ever happening, and the only mention is third party mentions of it from people who didn't like the people who supposedly did it. So it's very possible it was propaganda.
During the Salem witch trials they had a fucked up way of dealing with people who refused to testify, called pressing. Basically they strip the person of all their clothes and cover them with a large board, and then put heavy boulders on them to cause pain and get them to testify. Now normally this isn't lethal, probably hurts like a bitch but only like 100 to 200 pounds on you. But when they did this to Giles, they placed the boulders, and his facial expression did not change, and he lay there silently. When asked to testify he replied, "more weight." He did this again every time asked, and they obliged, adding boulders each time. This continued for TWO DAYS with Giles refusing to testify. Finally, after all that time, he yelled once more, "MORE WEIGHT!" And then he died.
The guy was a fucking badass.
DrOCD ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 06:25:30 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I actually just closed a production of The Crucible and I played the role of Giles Corey. What a badass.
aawillma ยท 41 points ยท Posted at 06:35:31 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
When it comes to death, physical pain is almost always relatively temporary. Any moderate bleeding will induce shock, burning kills nerves, all forms of asphyxia are short lived, and severe enough pain will drive you insane or to shock. It's the psychologically torturous deaths that are truly horrifying. Prolonged torture, or like this incident, pure panic. The link, like the brick through the windshield video, should always stay blue.
[deleted] ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 07:10:38 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I actually think it's important to watch. It makes people acutely aware of the danger of such venues and just by watching it, it might save your life someday.
[deleted] ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 07:40:13 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
That's all true in a safely run venue, but in this place the bouncer turned people away who tried to leave by the exit next to the stage and the door by the bar was locked to prevent people from sneaking in.
I agree, a lot of people dont even know whats actually happening infront of them. "oh there's a fire" might take a moment to turn into "OH SHIT theres a fire."
[deleted] ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 07:28:18 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I don't think I have to watch people actually die in order to understand the logic of building capacity and how to behave in an emergency
Video is from a dashcam so you don't actually see anything gory/violent, the audio is what makes it: a van with about 4 family members is driving down a road and about 1:40 minutes in you see a truck pass them in the opposite lane carrying a load of bricks. One of the bricks flies off, bounces off the road and goes through the windshield, instantly killing the passenger seat occupant (I think it's the driver's wife).
The footage then shows the car pull over and everyone else in the vehicle wails in the most horrible way you can imagine, like they could literally die of grief that instant. It's a little hard to listen to but not the worst video wise, it's pretty awful but it also get's hyped up quite a bit.
The worst part is the suddenness of it all. I think it would hit me harder like that than if I knew my SO was diagnosed with something and I was able to come to terms with it.
I literally don't understand what is being referenced. Was it an accident? Was the person murdered, I literally don't know wtf he's even talking about.
Dashcam video showing a brick drop off of a passing truck. The brick crashes through the windshield and you hear a man completely lose it as, presumably, the impact has instantly killed his spouse in the passenger seat.
Visually, the video isn't graphic at all, but the sheer visceral and guttural despair in the man's wails are deeply disturbing. I do not recommend it to anyone.
AD3stacks ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 13:37:38 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Just Google it, it's not even graphic. Just some sad sounds.
AD3stacks ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 17:18:09 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Don't be a coward. It's not that bad
user1444 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:17:23 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I have seen a video of a serious bombing in the middle east which had a charred flaming corpse still sitting on a motor cycle, a guy holding his brothers "body" (which I refer to as spaghetti man) which is basically a head, a bit of spine sticking out and some loose ribbons of flesh, there was a guy who looked like a zombie with half his face blown off just stumbling around... Good god..
Honestly, even though the brick video is only audio I found it 100X worse then anything I've actually "seen", including the above.
Check out the book "Killer Show," written by a lawyer for the Plaintiffs. It goes into considerable detail about the many ways the club owners and the band messed up, but only the group's road manager truly accepted any responsibility for what happened.
RallyUp ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:43:44 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
That is terrifying, there is an individual who runs out of the building on fire and there are visible bodies burning in the doorway when he passes in front of the club...
I think learning about this stuff is useful though. I never really think about what I would need to do if there were a fire. Learning about this tragedy will make me more conscious of locating emergency exits and other safety measures. The problem was that everyone tried going out the front doors, causing the front hallway to collapse.
You can see some person makes it out of one of the windows but on fire long after (relatively) the fire starts raging. Here: https://youtu.be/OOzfq9Egxeo?t=376
I actually learned about this tragedy a few days after the Paris attacks when it was talked about in the comments section of a video. As someone who regularly goes to concerts it scared the shit out of me and I've found myself making emergency exit plans during recent shows I've been to, just in case something like that goes wrong. It's just the thought of being so close to safety but you can't get through a crowded doorway stacked with bodies so there's nothing else for you to do but to helplessly burn alive really gets to me
This was just...so goddamn preventable. There are some things like war that on an individual level, no, you could not have prevented 2 + countries from spraying bullets at each others' armies. This though?
This suffering was avoidable, it was a needless tragedy. I am both horrified and infuriated at not only the herd mentality to get out as quickly as possible to the point that no one got out and the fact that pyrotechnics were used in a small space filled with flammable material. The need to survive, to escape danger, to live is very real and yes it makes us do horrible things or act "selfishly" but no one should be inherently faulted for that. But the pushing jammed up one exit. Someone early on broke a window as a means to escape and/or to ventilate the place. The cameraman paused in front of a completely unblocked, completely empty door way.
I work in a club and they showed us the video as part of our fire safety training. This was 2 weeks ago and I still can't get the image of the people stuck in the door out of my head.
sith74 ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 07:31:30 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)*
I remember when this happened. As bad as this might sound, I showed it to my oldest/only child at the time to PROVE to him how little time there is to get out of a fire. Whether it be at a store, event or even our home. I wanted for him to know NOTHING material is worth what will happen if you don't get out the second the smoke detector goes off.
Edit: My son, who I mentioned in this post, is in his 20's now. I didn't show this video to a 3 year oldish child. He was able to understand.
Those people stuck in the door are the consequences of that. Venues need to have really well designed ways to leave such venues, it's basic instinct to stampede. Humans will be reduced to animals in such scenarios, and if the ways out are poor people will jam together as seen in that door.
sith74 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 08:07:37 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
What's sad is there were other exits. In general people tend to go out the way they came in. But with the back exit here, people were told in those precious few seconds that it was for the band only if I remember correct. That could have saved many lives if that didn't happen. I get sick thinking about all of those who were so close to getting outside, but like you said, the stampede then the fire did them in. Seeing that one person run out over the top of them on fire makes me want to puke. To this day I look for all exits near me just in case.
sith74 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:19:50 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I wonder what would happen if they would do the same experiment but blindfold everyone. And disorientate them with loud noises when they are in the center of the room.
Something similar happened at the stardust nightclub in Dublin but what was worse was that there were other exits but they had been chained from the outside to stop people from sneaking in. So people ran for the exits and were met with a door that opened partially but no more.
sith74 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 11:02:43 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I just looked the Stardust up. Almost 50 people perished. Prayers all these year later.
It was gold. Historians say that the victim was promised by Khan to conquer the land that he came from in exchange for marrying his sister. The man threatened Khan with killing his unborn child and taking back his sister if he wasn't given a crown, so Khan had his guards break the man's arm and hold him while he poured molten gold over his head saying, "A crown for a king!"
Bonus history fact: That man's sister went on to have the longest title ever bestowed.
[deleted] ยท 154 points ยท Posted at 06:58:10 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
That's not even close to true. By that logic, anyone who gives away the ending of any movie or book before '96 is perfectly fine. I feel pretty confident that there is at least 1 book you're interested in reading that came out before then, and you would not want someone to spoil it.
Besides, what about someone who was too young when it came out, and decided to watch/read when they got old enough to appreciate it?
For starters, the moment with the Dothraki is early in the first book. This isn't spoiling an ending, it's giving away one detail of the first hour of a book that was released in 1996, nearly 20-years-ago.
That's not a fucking spoiler, and Darth Vader is Luke's father, Bruce Willis is dead in sixth sense, and Brad Pitt and Edward Norton are the same person in Fight Club. Oh, and Frodo eventually destroys the ring, Aslan is a metaphor for God, and Harry Potter wins at the end.
For the record, I agree that the Dothraki comment isn't really a spoiler, and my other comment was meant to be humorous hyperbole. There isn't really a tag for that, though, so it didn't make it across.
You're suggesting that no one should ever talk about the details of any story without a spoiler tag because someone might stumble on it? That's absolute nonsense.
Yes, if someone were dropping info about The Force Awakens in a thread like this that would be terribly shitty. But that's not at all what was happening here.
He mentioned a minor plot point in a book that's 20 years old and a TV show that's been out for years as well. And has been a pop culture phenomenon. If you haven't seen Game of Thrones by now, sorry, you aren't really that interested in it to begin with.
If you haven't seen The 6th Sense, somehow don't know that Bruce Willis is dead, and were just waiting for the right moment to watch it? Well, fuck you. You've had 16 years.
You can have six months to legitimately complain about being spoiled in a place where you wouldn't be looking for that info - i.e. an Ask Reddit thread that isn't about Game of Thrones. Six months. Frankly I'm being too generous.
I don't think this particular thread had any great spoilers. My point was that just because something has been out for a while (even a long while), doesn't mean it's fair to spoil it in public. Especially for books. For 1984 or To Kill a Mockingbird, both of which have been out significantly longer than 20 years, I would be extremely sad to have it spoiled before I could read it myself.
I'm not complaining. I don't care about the Dothraki comment. I'm arguing over the concept of spoilers, and how they can still be relevant after a long period of time.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 08:20:11 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Nomadic horsemen from the far east? Could also be the Huns. I don't think Atilla did the c gold thing though
The Huns and the Mongols are the same people more or less just a couple of hundred years separated.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:52:11 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
My understanding is that they have a lot of similarities and there are plenty of Huns that had mongol ancestors but the Huns were from turkey and had a lot of German and Slavic ancestory too. They didn't leave any records though so I think its guesswork mostly.
He wasn't the first to do that though. Marcus Licinius Crassus, the richest Roman in history and part of the first Triumvirate along with Caesar and Pompey, met a similar fate at the hands of the Parthians who used it as a representation for his insatiable demand for more money and power. That said, whether it was done to him when he was still alive or already dead is up for dispute.
Tisi24 ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 09:16:59 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
You're bullshitting us right?
yy633013 ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 07:15:16 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Wasn't this recreated in Game of Throwns?
Tableman5 ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 07:03:21 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
This is from game of thrones
[deleted] ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 06:38:35 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Yep. Genghis send a massive caravan of gold and precious goods to the city for trade, and the dude (who was governor) decided to kill all the people in the caravan and seize the goods for himself
...very bad idea
rdewalt ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 07:18:36 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Having listened to the Hardcore History "Wrath of the Khans", basically the only real solution to dealing with Genghis was to be on a different continent.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 07:36:17 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
To be fair he send the caravan to trade with them, and even after Governor Dickweed killed all the people and took the loot, Genghis send an emissary to the Khwarezmian Emperor demanding that the governor be given to hin over for punishment, it was only after the emperor killed the emissary that Genghis was like 'fuck this shit...'
His name was Inalchuq. He killed a large caravan of merchants so Genghis retaliated.
"Genghis Khan besieged Otrar for five months in 1219, eventually breaching its walls. Inalchuq barricaded himself in its inner citadel, and as the Mongols wished to capture him alive in order to publicly execute him, he managed to hold out another month. Eventually he was trapped with his last remaining bodyguards on the upper floors of the citadel, resorting to throwing bricks down on the Mongols, was captured, and executed by means of having molten silver poured into his eyes and ears, though the method of execution might be apocryphal."
Note that this may be a myth, hence apocryphal.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:08:51 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
This is how the Parthians executed (the famously rich) Marcus Licinius Crassus after the Battle of Carrhae in the 50s BC. Molten gold poured down his throat.
Fortunately for Crassus, it didn't take long for Mark Antony to vow revenge, and in the 30s BC (about 20 years later) he... fought a completely ineffective campaign against the Parthians and went home with his tail between his legs.
Fortunately for Antony, it didn't take long for Augustus to vow revenge, and in the 20s BC he... negotiated a very sensible peace treaty with the Parthians.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:37:20 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
catbeam ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:03:06 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
it was silver. I read about it in "48 Laws of Power". Khan basically sent a bunch of messengers to try to arrange a meeting with this guy, and the dude was just an asshole. After two or three times of refusal (mostly by killing Khan's men and refusing his gifts), he had enough and took the city. "The Mongol army quickly seized the town of Otrar, relying on superior strategy and tactics. Genghis Khan ordered the wholesale massacre of many of the civilians, enslaved the rest of the population and executed Inalchuq by pouring molten silver into his ears and eyes, as retribution for his actions. Near the end of the battle the Shah fled rather than surrender. Genghis Khan ordered Subutai and Jebe to hunt him down, giving them 20,000 men and two years to do this. The Shah died under mysterious circumstances on a small island within his empire." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genghis_Khan
it's called lingchi. do not google it unless you're prepared for the image results that will scar you for life. i frequent gore content fairly often and it's pretty high up there on the list of fucked up shit.
I read the other comments....those are the legends, more than likely false. I remember studying this in college. Vlad was sent abroad by his father for political reasons, eventually becoming a hostage. Not sure why somebody said he was raped....they actually wanted to turn him against his father and Christianity. Fast forward when he is grown, home and in charge...he would impale enemies to kill them. Stake right in the keister and gravity would force them to slide down, eventually piercing vital organs. Most agree he was quite disturbed, but many believe it was execution to discourage his enemies. Armies that passed these "forests of the dead" were no doubt more than a little uneasy. Nobody wants to meet whoever is capable of that. Sooooo yeah...fucked up, but he's seen as a hero in the area he's from.
Illier1 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:03:31 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Anyone who can hold back the Ottoman Empire and not simply get steamrolled by them deserves props. He is the reason Romania is what it is today.
Plus he inspired Dracula, so he is also a pop icon.
He's a hero and indeed we are proud of him. Romania exists because of him.
And having his beloved brother get sent along with him, as he was kept and abused, his brother Radu, said to be very beautiful, caught the attention of the sultan himself. Radu became a sex slave of the sultan, and eventually developed Stockholm syndrome.
Fast forward some years, Vlad is now the ruler of Wallachia and a feared, but admired ruler nonetheless. We even still have poems about him. Anyway, get this: you are Vlad. You think your brother is dead. You have the goal to revenge your brother, the only relative you had in that foreign land.
And then an army of invaders attacks your country. And Radu leads them. Your own brother.
Tell me that wouldn't fuck you up.
[deleted] ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 09:19:48 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Nope, he put the entire turk on the stake. Take a 3-4 meter long stake, put the tip in the turk's anus, then raise the stake vertically. Then the turk would slowly die, because of the gravity and also of the crows who would come and eat him alive.
They say that only in 1462 he put 20 000 turks to the stake ( this punishment was reserved only for the turks, probably because Vlad was a prisoner of the sultan as a kid and he was raped, so he raped the turks in revenge ).
Holy shit. I always figured it was the head on a spike thing too. That's so so so so much worse. Urg. At what point would that even kill you?
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 11:45:22 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Well from what I've read, the executioners were careful not to hit the liver or heart in the first moment, so the turk won't die on the spot, but I think that's an exaggeration since when you're impaling thousands at a time, you don't have the time to be careful.
I heard the stake was actually greased and rounded at the end. It was actually rather wide, so the act of slipping over it took a while.
kmutch ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:39:23 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Conversely you'd be pretty good at it after several thousand.
Illier1 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:01:42 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Depends. He impaled you one of two ways. Either through the stomach, which killed you in a day or two. Or if you were a rebellious noble or someone he especially hates he shoved it up the pooper and took twice as long with far more pain.
My understanding of it was that victims were impaled through stakes embedded on the ground. This did not kill them immediately and they were left there "hanging". Every time they moved (be it voluntary or involuntary) the stake further impaled itself into them. It often took days for victims to die.
Not only that, but they were staked up the rectum, and out the mouth. Many didn't live through the procedure, but some did and spent days dying up there.
Illier1 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:04:51 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
He only did the rectal implement for his most hated rivals. Most just got driven through the stomach. And he would only stick it up the first foot maybe, gravity did the rest.
That... yeah, no. What they did to him wasn't even close to being "drawn and quartered"
William Wallace was strapped to a wooden hurdle. He was dragged though the streets to the Elms at Smithfield. There he was hanged from a gallows but cut down while he still lived. He was disembowelled before his head was hacked off and his body was cut into pieces.
And that's the most SFW description one could think of to describe what they did.
EntropyNZ ยท 37 points ยท Posted at 02:10:39 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
William Wallace was strapped to a wooden hurdle. He was dragged though the streets to the Elms at Smithfield. There he was hanged from a gallows but cut down while he still lived. He was disembowelled before his head was hacked off and his body was cut into pieces.
What d'yo think 'Hanged, drawn and quartered' means? Hanged until near death, intestines drawn/pulled from the body while still alive, then hacked into 4 pieces (you're usually dead by this point). Drawn is often a point of contention, but generally, it's accepted to mean disemboweled.
William Wallace certainly wasn't the only one. This was the accepted method of execution for treason at the time.
This is just being tied up between four horses and torn apart when the horses run in four different directions. Which sounds a THOUSAND times better than being disemboweled while still alive and THEN drawn and quartered.
Drawn means disemboweled. I'm really not sure where the 'pulled apart by 4 horses' thing came from. I'm sure it was a thing, but it's not a typical component of being hanged, drawn and quartered.
C477um04 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:06:45 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Apparently his dong is on display somewhere in a Russian museum.
AK_Happy ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:12:50 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
But why male models?
[deleted] ยท 220 points ยท Posted at 00:49:17 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
According to legend, anyways. Last I heard there was some debate, and that he may have been offed by a certain majesty's secret service, and the legend was simply allowed to continue since it took blame off them.
My senior report was on Rasputin. They did put it into his wine; wine neutralizes cyanide. Though this could be completely untrue. Everything I read on Rasputin was contradictory. :)
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 10:27:30 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Could be true. Cyanide is pretty reactive, which is a big part of why it's so lethal.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:18:48 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
the book i read in high school history had a reference to a theory that because he was so big, they put in alot of poison, so only the smallest sip would have been needed to kill him, because they put in so much he was a) able to detect it, and drank more deliberatly so his body would reject it, or b) drank so much that by accident his body rejected it.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:49:21 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I was told they used astantine, which doesn't neutralize through heat. Looks like pepper, slightly spicy taste... should kill you dead.
But little did they know, Rasputin had spent a year developing a resistance to iocane powder astantine... and survived.
Supposedly he also practiced methiditism (spell check me please), ingesting small amounts of toxins over time to build immunity. Either way, he's one of those historical characters where the line between historically accurate evidence and imagination is very blurry.
wiki says it was the bullet from close range to the head that did him in.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 06:43:02 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
The gunshots were actually fatal, and the dumping in the river was just to dispose of the body, but you can't forget about the earlier assassination attempt where he was stabbed and fought off his attacker with a stick!
Of course he only died of drowning when they threw him in a river: they didn't try to drown him beforehand...
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:39:24 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
"die" Foolish mortals who think Rasputin is not enthroned in his chambers beneath the Kremlin, controlling Putin through the powers of his evil mind...
When you put it like that it really makes you wonder about Bruce Willis' character in Unbreakable
Dex22er ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 07:10:57 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
To be fair, I didn't expect him to die of drowning before he was thrown into the river...
[deleted] ยท 65 points ยท Posted at 00:07:39 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)*
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nancyaw ยท 52 points ยท Posted at 02:42:21 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
One of the killers was tried in the city I was living in at the time. The whole town was on edge and, at the courtroom, you had black Panthers on one side of the street, facing off against the KKK on the other side. Things were a bit tense.
[deleted] ยท -10 points ยท Posted at 08:36:00 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
sounds like today's college protests but with the other side throwing stones.
nancyaw ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 09:00:33 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
It pretty much was.
crop028 ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 07:05:20 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
It was awful when I first heard of this. Apparently they found chunks of his flesh imbedded in the dirt for miles.
boefs ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 13:49:04 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
summary:
James Byrd, Jr. (May 2, 1949 โ June 7, 1998) was an African-American who was murdered by three men, of whom at least two were white supremacists, in Jasper, Texas, on June 7, 1998. Shawn Berry, Lawrence Russell Brewer, and John King dragged Byrd for three miles behind a pick-up truck along an asphalt road. Byrd, who remained conscious throughout most of the ordeal, was killed when his body hit the edge of a culvert, severing his right arm and head. The murderers drove on for another mile before dumping his torso in front of an African-American cemetery in Jasper. Byrd's lynching-by-dragging gave impetus to passage of a Texas hate crimes law. It later led to the federal Matthew Shepard and James Byrd, Jr. Hate Crimes Prevention Act, commonly known as the Matthew Shepard Act, which passed on October 22, 2009, and which President Barack Obama signed into law on October 28, 2009.
Lawrence Russell Brewer was executed by lethal injection for this crime by the state of Texas on September 21, 2011. King remains on Texas' death row while appeals are pending, while Berry was sentenced to life imprisonment.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 09:04:48 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I can't believe one of the murderers ruined last meals for everyone in Texas, what a total dick head. That guy has a special place in hell
rugtoad ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 17:15:14 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
This comment cracks me up.
The dude brutally murdered a person because of the color of his skin....and here we are saying "What a dickhead" because he ruined the last-meal tradition.
I get what you're saying, he was obviously all kinds of dickhead...it's just kinda funny. Compared to the shit that got him lined up for a last meal in the first place, having someone go out of their way to get you a big, fancy meal and then saying "Eh, I'm not hungry" isn't even a blip on the dickhead-radar.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:57:47 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Ya that was kinda the joke
rugtoad ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:24:58 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
The Greek mathematician Hypatia was was seized by a mob of Christian fanatics in Alexandria enraged over her pagan beliefs. She was then flayed using broken tiles and/or oyster shells.
bayoemman ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 15:45:54 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Hundreds of years ago is right, Salem Witch Trials come to mind almost immediately and that was 300yrs ago, if we take in the Civil Rights and ties that Christians had with the KKK at the time, then that becomes a hell of a lot closer.
You said thousands of years ago, and I'm telling you it wasn't that long ago and I provided you with examples, there are still Christians and sects of Christianity that are super fucked up, it doesn't take away or excuse ISIS.
Also, still apparently trying to regain control of the "space shuttle" before it hit the ocean.
[deleted] ยท 172 points ยท Posted at 05:17:01 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)*
There was nothing to regain control of though.
Edit:
NASA estimated the load factor at separation to be between 12 and 20 g; within two seconds it had already dropped to below 4 g and within 10 seconds the cabin was inย free fall. The forces involved at this stage were likely insufficient to cause major injury.
Personal Egress Air Packs(PEAPs) on the flight deck were found to have been activated.[25]ย Investigators found their remaining unused air supply consistent with the expected consumption during the 2 minute 45 second post-breakup trajectory.
Smith made the switch changes, presumably in a futile attempt to restore electrical power to the cockpit after the crew cabin detached from the rest of the orbiter.
Damn
Edit 2: this quote:
Robert Overmyerย said, "I not only flew with Dick Scobee, we owned a plane together, and I know Scob did everything he could to save his crew. Scob fought for any and every edge to survive. He flew that ship without wings all the way down... they were alive."
Shanix ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 15:37:09 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
There was nothing to regain control of though.
It's human nature to wrest control and beat death over the head given the chance.
My lower school science teacher was one of the top 5, I forget what number, but far up enough that if only a couple people were unable to complete training, she'd be on the teacher in space project.
She was invited to watch the launch live and passed out after she saw everything. She never took anything for granted after that.
I think it's a bit of a silly comment anyway. "Oh, I'm going to die? At least I'm dying 25 miles above Earth, rather than on the surface. Boy I'd hate to die down there!"
What makes it so terrible is that they were preventable. IIRC Apollo 1 had a hatch that took way too long to open (it also may have opened to the inside), they later fixed this. Engineers insisted that Challenger shouldn't launch during winter (the low temperature created a faulty o-ring which led to the SRB exploding). The crew on Columbia knew of the damaged heat shielding, they just thought that it wouldn't be an issue. Sorry if these aren't 100% true, I'm on mobile and not really able to look everything up
yeah we studied the Challenger explosion while studying Ethics in our Engineering class, and engineers repeatedly said that they could not make any guarantees that the o-rings would work as intended during the launch weather and that it should be delayed, yet they still went ahead with it.
TehSkiff ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:50:38 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
With Apollo 1, you are correct: the hatch opened inward. Additionally, the pressure vessel was pressurized (at the time) to over 1 atmosphere...meaning the crew would have needed superhuman strength to pull the hatch inward.
The air mixture inside the capsule was 100% oxygen. The huge amount of velcro around the cabin was near a wire that had frayed. Velcro + 100% oxygen + shorting wire = no chance of survival.
The pressure in the capsule before the fire was sea level +5PSI to simulate 5PSI positive pressure in space. 100% oxygen and that over pressurization made for an insane fire hazard.
After the fire started in the airtight spacecraft it caused the pressure to increase until the spacecraft actually ruptured. You are correct, but the pressure was even worse due to the fire.
I don't know this for sure, but for Challenger, it was probably some of the crew's (like that teacher) first time going in to space. For those people to be that close to their dream and then have it taken away forever in a fiery explosion makes it pretty fucking awful.
Disproves ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 02:30:02 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
It's awful in the way that death is awful. But beyond that? I don't really think so. We have 8 year olds dying of cancer, torture, children being forced to kill their own parents... blowing up in a rocket sounds comparatively all right.
Ohhrubyy ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 05:04:07 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I think the worst part for me is that all of the teacher's students were watching. And everyone's family. That seared in their brains forever has got to suck.
To some comfort, it's believed the crew of Columbia were rendered unconscious almost immediately due to rapid decompression. During that phase of flight, I believe they don't have their helmets on, so they are not sealed against the outside environment should the worst happen.
tbos92 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 06:33:42 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Komarov from the Lost Cosmonauts. Youtube it, you can hear his last word as he plunged into earth with a faulty vostok module, the parachutes did not open and he slammed into the ground. There is a scene where the capsule just bursts into the earth; damn soviet political officers even told him to STFU and take it like a hero as he screamed his last words. Quite the errie spectacle.
mistamosh ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 08:41:00 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)*
The "lost cosmonauts" have been proven to be fake, their recordings are amateur made with really poor Russian. Komarov's story is true. But it wasn't concealed, quite the opposite. Komarov also allegedly knew that he would likely die as concerns about the spacecraft had not been taken seriously about its ability for reentry. Komarov actually volunteered to go over Gagarin on the flight. He almost certainly knew how it would end, but claimed he would go anyway instead of Gagarin because, as he said lovingly, "that's Yura", the two were good friends.
Actually you're wrong about both. The Challenger didn't really blow up, its fuel just sort of turned into a gigantic fireball. The part of the rocket that the crew was in was still intact and fell 65,000 feet to the water.
Maybe not Apollo 1, but Challenger and Columbia would be pretty swift deaths, you probably would only realize you were about to die for a split second at most.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 05:29:08 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
The challenger astronauts were likely all alive for the remaining 2 and a half minutes of their trajectory after breakup. The crew capsule was much stronger than the rest of the ship, and you can see it exiting the plume after the explosion. Several switches had also been flipped after the fact, and their emergency oxygen things had been activated. It's still not the worst way to go, but they likely knew what was happening.
Also the Apollo 1 disaster was likely quicker than this - the oxygen potency in that capsule was enough to burn the aluminum.
What do you mean by "the oxygen potency was enough to burn aluminum"?
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:51:08 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Aluminum is a reactive metal and will readily oxidize when activated with oxygen. Because of this, most aluminum you'll see in the world has an oxidized outer coating where the metal has reacted with oxygen already (pretty much the same for most metals). The oxidation reaction of Aluminum into Aluminum oxide is energetically favorable and releases quite a bit of energy through heat (also why most thermites usually use aluminum as the thermate). If you've ever thrown an aluminum can into a campfire, you'll notice it turns into a white ashy substance after about 10 minutes. That's the result of the aluminum burning, and that ash that's leftover is mostly aluminum oxide and whatever that plastic labelling turns into.
The statement I made about the Apollo capsule was that the conditions of the capsule became so hot, and had such a high potency of oxygen in the atmosphere (it was 100% oxygen), that it ended up actually oxidizing any aluminum structure that was exposed to the interior of the capsule. Rapid oxidation might sound better but burning aluminum is an accurate enough way of stating it since that's what's essentially happening.
Also, this reaction is so energetic that we put aluminum in rocket fuel. The aluminum composition in the fuel of the SRB's on the shuttle was something like 40% or higher, I don't remember the exact number. The aluminum powder additive greatly increases the temperature of the combustion chamber and drives the reaction to be much quicker. Keep in mind that this is powdered aluminum (micron size), and reacts more readily than the aluminum foil you should move away from your stove top.
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 08:56:01 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
put your left hand on one wall and dont take it off, then when you come to a fork leave something there a mark on the ground an item of clothing rip off your finger nail or pull out a tuff of hair, eventually you will find an exit, or at the very least you will die know there was a chance
Drumanas ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 11:59:40 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
1,500 miles of catacombs to go through. You likely wouldn't find an exit before you die from exhaustion or dehydration.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:15:38 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
thats why i said put something down so you know if you've looped. its still a better chance then walking in one direction aimlessly, then doubling back because you thought you went the wrong way.
I think maybe I'll just poop on the floor instead.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 11:29:51 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:20:41 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Sorry i meant to give instructions to someone else who might get stuck down there, the article i read from the previous "worst deaths" thread said she did have a torch, but it would have died long before she did, she however was under the influence of alcohol and already not in the best state
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:24:44 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:28:18 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
apparently a group of them went exploring and she got seperated
Newsom was gagged with a sock in his mouth, his ankles were bound with his own belt, his hands were tied behind his back, his face was covered with a bandana and his head covered with a sweatshirt that his five assailants had tied around his neck with shoestrings.
He was then violently raped with an object and beaten.
"One can only imagine the horror Christopher experienced as he was then forced to walk barefoot to the nearby railroad tracks, where he was shot in the neck in the back," Beck said solemnly. "But the shots didn't kill him โ he fell to the ground and was paralyzed."
"That's when the assailants stood over him, placed the gun against his head and fired, killing him execution style," he added. Newsom was shot a total of three times.
t;dw guy gagged, bound, choked, beaten, raped, shot, shot again
Chanon Christian, Newsom's girlfriend was repeatedly raped and beaten. When the assailants realized they had left dna on/in her. They poured bleach on her and in her, while she was still alive. Then wrapped her body in a black trashbag and her head in a white grocery sack and stuffed her in a kitchen trashcan. She died while suffocating, after surving the beating, raping, and bleach.
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 17:41:40 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I remember watching this little fuck on the stand and he was trying to blame his actions on smoking a blunt that was soaked with formaldehyde. I hope those little cunts get the needle or the chair. Fuck them.
Not only did they pour bleach on her, they poured it down her throat. They also cut off one of her breasts, (at least I remember that being reported, but they don't give all the details anymore) and do other horrific things to both of them. She apparently slowly suffocated in the trash bin
I live in Knoxville, though I didn't move here til recently after the events. It felt like it haunted the entire city for quite a few years.
Last I heard, they were convicted, but it was thrown out because the judge was drunk. Not really sure what is going on now. I think they are waiting new trials.
This one makes me sick to my stomach. Reggie and Carol Sumner, both 61 years old and disabled, were abducted, duct taped and buried alive.. when their bodies were located and dug up they were embracing each other. Cause of death was mechanical asphyxiation. There was sand in their lungs. I don't know, this story is just horrifying to me.
Ugh. Tell me about it. I've had constipation for a few days now and my stomach is just killing me.
GeebusNZ ยท 108 points ยท Posted at 23:49:47 on December 14, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I expect the most horrible ways people have died in history won't even be recorded. People suffering for extended periods of time without explanation for what was going on only to die, withered and hopeless.
nitro316 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 07:48:02 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 08:37:57 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
if this thread is anything to go by, the most twisted thing the average person can invent is child's play compared to what truly sadistic people can devise.
GeebusNZ ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 08:52:53 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
It's not the twisted things the average person can invent which is the worry. It's the interaction of viruses, fungus, bacteria and mutations in the average person.
Tratix ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:36:48 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I really can't realistically think of anything worse than the methods already described in this thread.
GeebusNZ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:39:33 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
spongish ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 03:53:29 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Edward II of England. He had a red hot poker shoved into his arse so as to not leave a visible scar on his body. Maybe not the absolute worst way to die in this thread, but for a King it was pretty horrific way to go.
Reminds me of a story where my PE teacher was outside during an Earthquake, and the ground in front of her opened up and then closed on some people... *shivers*
A mob of over 100 tied her ankles, hung her upside down from a tree, doused her in gasoline and motor oil and set her on fire.
While Turner was still alive, a member of the mob split her abdomen open with a knife. Her unborn child fell on the ground, where it gave a cry before it was stomped on and crushed. Finally, Turner's body was riddled with hundreds of bullets. Mary Turner and her child were cut down and buried near the tree, with a whiskey bottle marking the grave.
According to Philip Dray, โThere, before a crowd that included women and children, Mary was stripped, hung upside down by the ankles, soaked with gasoline, and roasted to death. In the midst of this torment, a white man opened her swollen belly with a hunting knife and her infant fell to the ground, gave a cry, and was stomped to death. The Constitutionโs coverage of the killing was subheaded-lined: โFury of the People Is Unrestrained.โ
Washington was tried for murder in Waco, in a courtroom filled with furious locals. He entered a guilty plea and was quickly sentenced to death. After his sentence was pronounced, he was dragged out of the court by observers and lynched in front of Waco's city hall. Over 10,000 spectators, including city officials and police, gathered to watch the attack. There was a celebratory atmosphere at the event, and many children attended during their lunch hour. Members of the mob castrated Washington, cut off his fingers, and hung him over a bonfire. He was repeatedly lowered and raised over the fire for about two hours. After the fire was extinguished, his charred torso was dragged through the town and parts of his body were sold as souvenirs. A professional photographer took pictures as the event unfolded, providing rare imagery of a lynching in progress. The pictures were printed and sold as postcards in Waco.
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 07:35:03 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
This isn't doing the dead justice. Allow me to fully explain
"Eight months pregnant, Turner and her child were murdered after she publicly denounced the unlawful extrajudicial killing of her husband, Hazel Turner, by a mob. "
She was killed for telling White people she didn't like that they murdered her husband for being Black in America.
Thanks for pointing that out. Seriously. I am overtired and I misread when I read wiki. I thought they killed her for killing her husband and I kept going wth?? Like I'm believing that... (but kept thinking, it was on wiki... guess I'm labeled now, eh??)
Thanks! finally got some sleep, lolol the key word there tho was, some* What I'd give to be able to just take a pill and sleep (and this from a pill hater, but some times, one just has to do what one has to do) and if they worked, I would.
Although that is pretty brutal, it was a brutal execution of a murderer. Doesn't horrify me nearly as much as cutting a live baby out of an innocent woman and stomping it to death in front of her.
I know there are a lot of bullshit confessions in this sort of case, but it sounds like this particular time the sheriff did it right. According to wikipedia, The sheriff found him at home the night of the murder wearing bloody clothes. He questioned and quickly released Washington's family. Moved him to another county to protect him from vigilante justice. When interviewed the next day he confessed and gave the location of the murder weapon.
I read that too re; horific ways people died part, I was on about the postcards bit more than anything....the fuck kinda Rob Zombie horror movie is that shit - handing out the postcards of mutilated bodies n shit....the fuck!
I asked that of someone else that mentioned her, but since this person had Jesse's wiki, I went back to wiki:
Mary Turner (1899 - 19 May 1918) was a nineteen-year-old black woman, lynched in Lowndes County, Georgia.[1][2][3] Eight months pregnant, Turner and her child were murdered after she publicly denounced the unlawful extrajudicial killing of her husband, Hazel Turner, by a mob.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:17:24 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Black in America
This isn't doing the dead justice. Allow me to fully explain
"Eight months pregnant, Turner and her child were murdered after she publicly denounced the unlawful extrajudicial killing of her husband, Hazel Turner, by a mob. "
She was killed for telling White people she didn't like that they murdered her husband for being Black in America.
One wasn't guilty of a single thing, nor was her husband whom she protested them killing and the other was found guilty by the same mob that killed him.
There was quite possibly evidence as written,and I'm not gonna argue on a platform of conspiracy - but since the man didn't go full Saw/Hostel torture and then sell pics and postcards of it....I'm gonna say the mob was worse.
Cutting genitalia and fingers n shit and dipping over a fire. I swear I haven't even heard of ISIS or Al-Queada or whomever next weeks enemy is doing anything like that!!
a bit late to the party but the most graphic, horrible way must go to Truls Hellevik (Norwegian, 34 years old).
Truls was diver on an oil platform sitting in the pressure chamber on the fifth of November 1983. the pressure chamber was at that moment pressurised at 9 atmospheres and the diving bell was attached when two other divers wanted to detach it. The problem was that they detached it before Truls completely closing the door to the bell resulting in a 24" opening between the pressure chamber and the open air.
The result of the sudden pressure drop made the tree other divers to spontaneously explode because it was so quick the air in the lungs can't get out fast enough. but Truls didn't had the pleasure of exploding because he was just to close to the opening he simply got suck trough the 24" opening, like this crab gif, only in an instance and not a second. It was so violent parts of his spine were found 10m above the opening.
The japanese used to torture and kill victims by wrapping fresh, wet bamboo chutes around their testicles and tie them to the ground. Slowly, the sun would harden the bamboo around their nutsack to the point of implosion, killing them by bleeding out.
During the initial uprising in Syria. "shabiha" (Assads Militia) would go around torturing people in entire villages if anyone was suspected of protesting Assad.
Raping families and forcing them to rape each other was common practise. Electric drills and shit was also used.
One thing is to die. Another is to witness your loved ones tortured and killed too.
LegalElk ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 07:10:12 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Some of the victims of Ted Bundy died pretty badly. He would do things such as inserting objects into their vaginas and ripping to form one large wound from their anus (and beyond) to their naval, then raping them. He would also take bites out of their flesh while raping them and cut/bite off their nipples and or breasts, all while they were still alive (and still being raped). Often being finally finished offed by being beaten to death with blunt objects after the torture was over.
Tim Lopes (born Arcanjo Antonino Lopes do Nascimento; November 18, 1950 โ June 2, 2002) was a Brazilian investigative journalist and producer for the Brazilian television network Rede Globo. In 2002, the media reported him missing while working undercover on a story in one of Rio's favelas. It was later learned that Lopes had been accosted by drug traffickers who controlled the area; was kidnapped; driven to the top of a neighboring favela in the trunk of a car; tied to a tree and subjected to a mock trial; tortured by having his hands, arms, and legs severed with a sword while still alive; and then had his body placed within tires, covered in gasoline and set on fire โ a practice that traffickers have dubbed micro-ondas (allusion to the microwave oven).
Wouldn't they just "not fit" in a guy's ass then, the horse would get hurt, and pull out and not go in again? Seems like a horse's dick should tear before a guy's ass...or no?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:41:49 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
...Try googleing that and see why it doesn't work.
Not really, if you want to be specific it's the dumb fucks in the legislature who thought passing such a broad law was the "solution" to this problem. It'd be like someone having some sort of insanely risky sex with a dude, dying, and then the government decides the solution is to ban sex with dudes, even though literally millions of others had sex with dudes and didn't die.
There's just not a sufficient number of zoophile advocacy groups to really have a voice, so the government knows they can trample on them like that.
Dude was pretty dumb, though..
[deleted] ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 02:14:28 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
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nancyaw ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:38:39 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Part of me wants to watch it. Part of me doesn't. And I wonder how long it was from the time of colon rupture to the time they took him to the hospital.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 08:15:23 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I thought it was interesting. Even though video exists of the event, it wasn't shown in the movie. They do, however, show his friends/family watching the video. They also interview the people that went to the ranch where it happened and took the animals.
Why would friends and especially family want to watch the damn video??
nancyaw ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 03:50:13 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Never mind. I tried to watch it and it was boring as fuck. Nothing about the man, really, and if you didn't know what the subject matter was going in, the film gives you no clue.
moforiot ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 07:11:50 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Should have stuck it out, you missed buckets of horse porn and a Shetland pony trained to suck huge stallion dick.
nancyaw ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 08:21:44 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Man, I always miss all the fun!
nancyaw ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 03:50:21 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Never mind. I tried to watch it and it was boring as fuck. Nothing about the man, really, and if you didn't know what the subject matter was going in, the film gives you no clue.
I was going to make a facetious comment about the sexual stamina of stallions but they probably don't need the ego boost - they're all hung like a horse...
J973 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:33:18 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
That's what I'm saying. I think that the dudes probably liked it, it's just things this time got out of hand.
nancyaw ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 02:37:46 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I just don't get how that can happen. You just bend over and goatse and the horse goes hey, cool, a hole; think I'll fuck it? If that were the case seems like horses would be fucking knotholes.
We're talking about a guy that died from letting a horse do him in the butt and your first thought is, "hmmm, how can I get a horse to do me in the butt"?
nancyaw ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 08:22:46 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
What can I say? I'm the pragmatic sort. My immediate question was "How exactly did that work?" I mean, I know the average size of a horse dick and the average size of an asshole and something's just not adding up.
I saw the video once (unwittingly; my friends are jerks). IIRC, he had another guy with him who helped, uh, line up the horse dick.
Also, he'd done this many times before, so his asshole was probably not of average size.
moforiot ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 07:10:08 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I watched a documentary about those horse fuckers and that horse fucking Disney Land they was running. There's a scene where one of the horse fuckers is talking about how when he realized that the feds were gonna come for them he panicked and gathered up all their home-made horse porn into a couple five gallon buckets. Talking CDs, VHS tapes, Polaroids, and shit. There's a re-enacted scene of this, where the horse fucker is running through a field with two 5 gallon buckets full of horse porn to go hide it in the woods. Cause, hey, after this investigation is over he's gonna need that shit for jacking off later. And then it cuts to a scene of the feds following a fucking Hansel and Gretel trail of horse porn to the stash in the woods.
DJDanaK ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:10:51 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I don't know why this is so fucking hilarious
[deleted] ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 02:10:35 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Oh Enumclaw. Once skipped school to take an hour long bus ride with some friends to meet up with a friend who had acid and trip in some woods up in Enumclaw. That was a fun time. Missed my Spanish final.
Takoulya ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:12:20 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Feel like the deceased here did the same but may have popped too much molly instead
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:39:00 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
That's quite possible.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:45:16 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
J973 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:31:41 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Ehh... just read the wikipedia.... seems like he and at least one other person had visited the horse frequently. I think he probably liked the horse dick up his ass, but that's a dangerous game to play with a 1200 pound animal that has a dick the size of a baseball-bat
<--I've always had horses, I know these things.
narfidy ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 07:02:45 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Hey my roommate is from Enumclaw. He gets upset when this is the only thing people know about it
on a related note, i'm pretty certain that the one man, one jar guy is probably a goner as well. still one of the the most depraved videos i've ever seen.
Alan Turing was chemically castrated for being gay and then killed himself. Maybe that's actually less about dying in an awful way and more about dying for an awful reason. ๐ง
Let's also remember that Alan Turing was one of the forefathers of modern computation and a man who understood the potential of artificial intelligence (in its real-world forms) generations before the rest of us. If science were a religion, he would be sainted.
I refuse to linger on the thought of him, because the tragedy of the magnificent brilliance we threw from this mortal coil sickens me to the very core. I can only hope and pray that his death remains an example to anyone in the academic or applied communities of mathematics and computer science what wretched evils lie in homophobia.
Bless you, Alan. You are missed, friend.
giveer ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 06:40:29 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
If science were a religion, he would be sainted.
That's a fantastic phrase. It's nothing short of a tragedy of humanity knowing we could've had that mind with us right up until 2007 had he lived to 95. Incredible to think what 50+ more years would have brought the world.
I think the scientific community should start doing this. Make up a title to give posthumously to really important and or significant contributors to science in all its forms.
We already do it to some degree with the naming of concepts. Turing's legacy includes the ideas of the Turing Machine and the Turing Test, among others.
Historic scholars of the ages even have units in the international system named after them - Newtons (force) and Pascals (pressure) just to name a couple.
Yes, it was nominated for many, many awards and did very well at the box office. I am having trouble believing you are serious, because this was one of the biggest Hollywood movies of the year.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:08:19 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Let's also remember that Turing was one of the greatest advantages England had in the war effort.
thespy_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:27:09 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Bless you, Alan. You are missed, friend.
Oh, did you know him?
[deleted] ยท -23 points ยท Posted at 06:59:54 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 12:16:21 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
"I refuse to linger on the thought of him" ughhhhhhhhh
rifacct ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 07:51:11 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
He acts like Turing was his personal friend.
Also, there's little evidence that he even committed suicide. It was likely an accident.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 09:59:17 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
The apple was never tested and the signs pointed more to cyanide inhalation than ingestion. Wasn't he also using products that could give off cyanide fumes in a tiny un-ventilated room or something?
CharzarII ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 15:41:48 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
He was also known for his poor safety and cleanliness during experiments
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 07:50:55 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
You've spent nowhere near enough time on the internet, you poor naive thing. It gets worse. SO MUCH WORSE.
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 07:18:33 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I have heard some suggestion that it might have been an accidental poisoning rather than suicide. He was an amateur chemist and might have not washed his hands after experimenting inadvertently contaminating the apple he ate that killed him.
I had heard about Turing being "chemically castrated" but it wasn't until embarrassingly recently that I realize that didn't mean that they dipped his junk in a vat of acid to make them melt off.
No it's done with drugs. But forcing someone to take a drug that would inevitably make one infertile probably wouldn't have such a good effect on ones feeling of self worth/ hormones.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 06:32:53 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
This is the man who helped save us from the Nazis, brought about the advent of modern computing, could have gone on to do so much, and they tortured him to death.
I'm sorry, but if someone has contributed to 'not letting the world become conquered by Nazis', you should be bringing them their choice of people to have sex with by the cartload forever.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:25:16 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Where did you get the part about him killing himself? From research I've done his death was more an accident, caused by being careless with his experimentation while practicing/experimenting with electroplating, and died from inhalation of cyanide fumes.
This doesn't even have anything to do with death. It's just "something bad happened to this guy."
[deleted] ยท -8 points ยท Posted at 23:46:29 on December 14, 2015 ยท (Permalink)*
Eh to say that he killed himself would be misleading.
He may have or may not, no one really knows. As for his depression about chemical castration I don't think he was all that messed up by it, he still published papers while taking the meds.
If you got that info from "The Imitation Game", that movie only very remotely close to Turing's life. He was actually a pretty fun guy to be around and he never made the machine, Tommy Flowers did. That movie is horribly inaccurate.
edit: from the wiki page
Philosophy professor Jack Copeland has questioned various aspects of the coroner's historical verdict, suggesting the alternative explanation of the accidental inhalation of cyanide fumes from an apparatus for gold electroplating spoons, using potassium cyanide to dissolve the gold, which Turing had set up in his tiny spare room. Copeland notes that the autopsy findings were more consistent with inhalation than with ingestion of the poison. Turing also habitually ate an apple before bed, and it was not unusual for it to be discarded half-eaten.[117] In addition, Turing had reportedly borne his legal setbacks and hormone treatment (which had been discontinued a year previously) "with good humour" and had shown no sign of despondency prior to his death, setting down, in fact, a list of tasks he intended to complete upon return to his office after the holiday weekend.[117] At the time, Turing's mother believed that the ingestion was accidental, resulting from her son's careless storage of laboratory chemicals.[118] Biographer Andrew Hodges suggests that Turing may have arranged the cyanide experiment deliberately, to give his mother some plausible deniability.[119]
Andrew Hodges, and another biographer, David Leavitt, have both suggested that Turing was re-enacting a scene from the Walt Disney film Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs (1937), his favourite fairy tale, both noting that (in Leavitt's words) he took "an especially keen pleasure in the scene where the Wicked Queen immerses her apple in the poisonous brew".[120]
He ate an apple that he laced with cyanide, how is that not killing himself?
[deleted] ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 01:26:00 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)*
No they are not sure he did.
He died in his personal lab at home and the is reason to believe he didn't handle the cyanide properly and somehow ingested it. It might have but there is just as much evidence saying he didn't.
Edit: Check the wiki
Philosophy professor Jack Copeland has questioned various aspects of the coroner's historical verdict, suggesting the alternative explanation of the accidental inhalation of cyanide fumes from an apparatus for gold electroplating spoons, using potassium cyanide to dissolve the gold, which Turing had set up in his tiny spare room. Copeland notes that the autopsy findings were more consistent with inhalation than with ingestion of the poison. Turing also habitually ate an apple before bed, and it was not unusual for it to be discarded half-eaten.[117] In addition, Turing had reportedly borne his legal setbacks and hormone treatment (which had been discontinued a year previously) "with good humour" and had shown no sign of despondency prior to his death, setting down, in fact, a list of tasks he intended to complete upon return to his office after the holiday weekend.[117] At the time, Turing's mother believed that the ingestion was accidental, resulting from her son's careless storage of laboratory chemicals.[118] Biographer Andrew Hodges suggests that Turing may have arranged the cyanide experiment deliberately, to give his mother some plausible deniability.[119]
Andrew Hodges, and another biographer, David Leavitt, have both suggested that Turing was re-enacting a scene from the Walt Disney film Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs (1937), his favourite fairy tale, both noting that (in Leavitt's words) he took "an especially keen pleasure in the scene where the Wicked Queen immerses her apple in the poisonous brew".[120]
Ooo00O ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:49:01 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I don't know why you got down voted so much. Copeland did a lot of research about Turing's death, and at the end of his biography he says:
"The exact circumstances of Turingโs death may always remain unclear. It should not be stated that he committed suicideโbecause we simply do not know."
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:52:17 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
According to Wikipedia, the guy who invented it was locked in it by the guy in power so that he could hear the sound of the screams coming through the horn (that converted them into a bull noise), but let him out before he died. Then, when the inventor was expecting to be rewarded from his invention, guy in power killed him by throwing him off a hill.
Guy in power sounds like he was a bit of a dick, but allegedly ended up being killed in the brazen bull himself.
I came here to say this. People were loaded into a brass "bull" that was heated over a fire to red hot. They probably suffocated before they actually burned to death but every surface became insanely hot to the touch, leaving the victim with no surface to touch that wouldn't burn them.
fleshking ยท 28 points ยท Posted at 00:03:31 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Robert-Franรงois Damiens had it pretty bad. One by one, had each arm and leg ripped off by horses and then had his 'reportedly still-alive' torso burnt at a stake. And that was after his torture...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert-Fran%C3%A7ois_Damiens
With five people now held hostage in the basement, Pierre told Andrews to get something from their van. Andrews returned with a bottle in a brown paper bag, from which Pierre poured a cup of blue liquid. Pierre ordered Orren to administer the liquid to the other hostages, but he refused, and was bound, gagged, and left face-down on the basement floor.
Pierre and Andrews then propped each of the victims into sitting positions and forced them to drink the liquid, telling them it was vodka laced with sleeping pills. Rather, it was liquid Drano. The moment it touched the hostages' lips, enormous blisters rose, and it began to burn their tongues and throats and peel away the flesh around their mouths. Ansley, still begging for her life, was forced to drink the drain cleaner too, although she was reported (by Orren Walker) to have coughed less than the other victims. Pierre and Andrews tried to duct-tape the hostages' mouths shut to hold quantities of drain cleaner in and to silence their screams, but pus oozing from the blisters prevented the adhesive from sticking. Orren Walker was the last to be given the drain cleaner, but seeing what was happening to the other hostages, he allowed it to pour out of his mouth and then mimicked the convulsions and screams of his son and fellow hostages.
Pierre became angry because the deaths were taking too long and were too loud and messy, so he shot both Carol and Cortney Naisbitt in the backs of their heads, proving fatal for Carol but leaving Cortney alive. Pierre then shot at Orren Walker but missed. He then fatally shot Stanley before again shooting at Orren, this time grazing the back of his head.
Pierre then took Ansley to the far corner of the basement, forced her at gunpoint to remove her clothes, then repeatedly and brutally raped her after telling Andrews to clear out for 30 minutes. When he was done, he allowed her to use the bathroom while he watched, then dragged her, still naked, back to the other hostages, threw her on her face, and fatally shot her in the back of the head.
Andrews and Pierre noted that Orren was still alive, so Pierre mounted him, wrapped a wire around his throat, and tried to strangle him. When this failed, Pierre and Andrews inserted a ballpoint pen into Orren's ear, and Pierre stomped it until it punctured his eardrum, broke, and exited the side of his throat. Pierre and Andrews then went upstairs, finished loading equipment into their van, and departed.
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B-612 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:19:58 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
i feel dirty just knowing about this story.
Vaporhead ยท 32 points ยท Posted at 00:40:00 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Bluefoz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:16:52 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
People have been cut open alive before. The whole "cut out the heart while it's still beating"-thing is actually possible, so I wouldn't necessarily rule the blood eagle out because of that.
RC_COW ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:53:57 on December 16, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Its probably been done but it just wasnt documented. Still you have to cut through the back. break the ribs. and pull them back so they stick out and then pull out and drape the lungs over the ribs. The trick is getting them to survive through all of that. And that is what hasnt been recorded.
That never happened, it was a later invention of later Icelandic poets who misinterpreted archaic metaphorical language describing the death of the Anglo-Saxon king Aella at the hands of Danish invaders.
Yeah, I was looking more into it to see if it actually happened. They're not entirely sure. If I remember correctly, its been made "known" by the show Vikings too.
Death by a thousand cuts was a particularly nasty way of killing someone, however, I do not think that can compare to what some victims of sadistic killers must go through for days before finally having their body give up
King Edward of Spain. He was murdered in such a way that no marks were on the body. His killers inserted a piece of pipe in his anus and then pushed in a red-hot poker repeatedly until he basically cooked from the the inside out. Supposedly, it took several hours of this before he died and his screams could be heard over a mile away.
Jewcunt ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 12:15:45 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
That would be Edward II of England. No spanish king has been called Edward.
That is really awful, the pressure cooker reached 270 degrees... can you imagine what that guy went thru before passing?? That is really a serious tragedy. And the three year (possible sentencing) is just mind bogglingly inept.
After reading that and Bubble Bee tunas' response, I will no longer eat it .
Bumble Bee, which has appealed the penalties, said the company improved its safety program after the tragedy.
โWe disagree with and are disappointed by the charges filed by the Los Angeles district attorneyโs office.โ
I see your Soyuz 1 and raise you Soyuz 11. They died from an accidental decompression of the hatch just before reentering the atmosphere. When they landed, one of the cosmonauts bodies was found against the wall, as if he were trying to block the hole with his body. They were also the farthest a human has ever died from earth.
Nothing will ever beat the man that literally melted alive from radiation poisoning and his death prolonged by doctors so they could study the effects. Imagine your body disintegrating around you as you lay immobile and (though nor always concious) aware for 3 months
Bastinado, Foot Paddling, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foot_whipping. I read in ancient turkey or Persia they would repeatedly beat the pads of your feet so hard, that you died from septic shock eventually. Considering your feet have a lot of nerves, it seems an especially painful way to go. I think about it whenever i bruise the sole of my foot.
People that were put inside the bronze bull as a fire was lit under it. They slow roasted inside there with no escape. I don't remember exactly any names but there were a lot of people in the days of ancient Greece that were tortured in them.
Morris died on November 6, 1816 after causing himself internal injuries and an infection while using a piece of whale bone as a catheter to attempt clearing a blockage in his urinary tract.
side note
In 1780, Morris's left leg was shattered and had to be amputated, resulting in him using a wooden pegleg. His contemporary account was that he broke his leg when mounting or driving his carriage, and that the leg then got caught in the spokes of one of the wheels. Morris was well known for having many affairs, with both married and unmarried women, and jokes (some by Morris himself) and gossip caused some observers later to suggest that he injured his leg while fleeing a jealous husband
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 07:06:50 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
The girl who was drunk at a party in the catacombs who got lost.
She couldn't see anything.
She was drunk.
In the catacombs.
Perillos
He invented the Brazen Bull. An ancient torture device made of metal, shaped like a bull, and had a fire lite under it. You'd put someone inside the bull, and they'd be cooked alive inside. Well after he invented it, he was the first person for it to be tested on.
Oh, and it was designed for the screams on the person inside, to come out of the front of the bull, and make a life like bull sound.
[deleted] ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 02:48:01 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
He was taken out before he could die, and thrown from a hill where he died. The pharoah that put Perillos in the bull was believed to be killed via the bull when he was overthrown.
Dengue fever. The mortality rate is rather low (around 20% for severe cases based on WHO resources), but I'm told even surviving it will make you wish for death.
It lasts for several days and causes pain that can only be compared to the shattering of bone. (Hence, bone-break fever.)
Lucas46 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 09:13:52 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Really? I've had dengue before, and it didn't feel like what you described it at all. Do you have some source on that second part?
From a medical anthropologist I know, although I suppose even from a professional that's an anecdotal description.
atw527 ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 04:39:11 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Nuclear Reactor accident in Idaho; reactor went prompt critical.
One of the shield plugs on top of the reactor vessel impaled the third man [Richard C. Legg] through his groin and exited his shoulder, pinning him to the ceiling.
eradimus ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 06:23:44 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Vigo the Carpathian. Born 1505, died 1610. He didn't die of old age, either. He was poisoned, stabbed, shot, hung, stretched, disembowled, drawn and quartered. Not exactly a man of the people. Also known as Vigo the Cruel, Vigo the Torturer, Vigo the Despised, and Vigo the Unholy. And dig this, there was a prophecy. Just before his head died, his last words were "Death is but a door. Time is but a window. I'll be back."
Marcus Licinius Crassus was allegedly executed by being fed molten gold, an ironic joke on him being the richest man in the Roman Republic.
However, this is not a verified fact and could just be an urban legend.
dirtshow ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 07:12:30 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
From NYPost (sorry) 2014.
"Around Christmas 2002, bartender Doyle went out drinking with pal Michael Wright and Wrightโs girlfriend. As they all walked home, Wright thought Doyle was hitting on his girlfriend, and witnesses later told cops they saw a man getting โthe sโt beat out of him.โ He was heard screaming, โNo, donโt break my legs!โ and another witness said he saw someone throw Doyle down an open manhole.
The drop was 18 feet. At the bottom was a pool of boiling ยญwater, from a broken main. Doyle didnโt die instantly โ in fact, as first responders arrived, he was standing below, reaching up and screaming for help. No paramedic or firefighter could climb down to help โ it was, a Con Ed supervisor said, 300 degrees in the steam tunnel.
Four hours later, Sean Doyleโs body was finally recovered. Its temperature was 125 degrees โ the medical examiners thought it was likely way higher, but thermometers donโt read any higher than that.
When Melinek saw the body on her autopsy table, she writes, she thought heโd โbeen steamed like a lobster.โ His entire outer layer of skin had peeled off, and his internal organs were literally cooked.
He otherwise had no broken bones and no head trauma, which meant he was fully conscious as he boiled to death."
Going to get buried but just the other day a 17 year old was working his first day on the job at a wood chipping company.
A limb got stuck in the wood chipper so he tried to kick the limb in while he left the machine on...
He got sucked in feet first and died. That's extremely horrific and I can't even imagine. His boss also had a hear attack on the scene and his co-workers were running around like maniacs not knowing what to do just screaming.
Gyรถrgy Dรณzsa led a peasants revolt in 16th century Hungary. After being captured, he was forced to sit on a heated iron throne while wearing a heated iron crown and holding a heated sceptre - all of which was done to mock his ambitions at being king. While that was going on, starving rebels were led to the throne. The executioners used fire-hot pliers to tear flesh from Dรณzsa's body. Next, executioners removed hot pliers from fire and forced them into Dรณzsa's skin. The rebels were then forced to eat the flesh.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:57:26 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Egyptian used to use honey in their death ritual. The volunteers usually stop eating anything else but honey until they poo and pee out honey. Once they get to that stage their body is preserve in honey until eaten.
[deleted] ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 04:11:12 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
And oldie but a goodie:
The Persians outvie all other barbarians in the horrid cruelty of their punishments, employing tortures that are peculiarly terrible and long-drawn, namely the โboatsโ and sewing men up in raw hides. But what is meant by the โboats,โ I must now explain for the benefit of less well informed readers. Two boats are joined together one on top of the other, with holes cut in them in such a way that the victimโs head, hands, and feet only are left outside. Within these boats the man to be punished is placed lying on his back, and the boats then nailed together with bolts. Next they pour a mixture of milk and honey into the wretched man's mouth, till he is filled to the point of nausea, smearing his face, feet, and arms with the same mixture, and so leave him exposed to the sun. This is repeated every day, the effect being that flies, wasps, and bees, attracted by the sweetness, settle on his face and all such parts of him as project outside the boats, and miserably torment and sting the wretched man. Moreover his belly, distended as it is with milk and honey, throws off liquid excrements, and these putrefying breed swarms of worms, intestinal and of all sorts. Thus the victim lying in the boats, his flesh rotting away in his own filth and devoured by worms, dies a lingering and horrible death.
There was this one torture method where a person was strapped down naked and a metal box that contained a rat was put over their belly. The box then was heated, which makes the rat panic. Desperate for a way out, the rat gnaws and scratches its way through the person's flesh until it freed itself. But the fucked up part is that majority of the victims lived and died from infection a few days later.
By means of impalement; through the anus and slowly lowered onto the spike so as to limit any damage to the internal organs, and then out through the neck or back of the neck. And there you would sit for days until you died.
Just omg's!! (reading that) All of it, but this caught my eye:
("some even retained their humour")
For example in 1714 in the Cape Colony under the Dutch, the black slave Titus, who had been the lover of his master's wife and conspired to murder her husband, was sentenced to be impaled. Four hours after being impaled, he was given some arrack to drink, but advised not to drink too much, lest he become drunk. Titus retorted that it hardly would matter, since he sat fast enough, and was in no danger of falling down.[84]
th3giant ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 07:00:04 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
There was a russian atomic.submarine, which was thought to be lost. When i was brought back to russia they found goodbye letters from the crew. Turns out they were alive much longer than expected.
mrworker ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 03:52:16 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Salem Witch Trials, guy was accused of witchcraft. They kept putting boulders on his body until he admitted to being a witch or he died. No way to prove his innocence, and he didn't want to falsely claim himself of being a witch, so he died.
what's sad is that the trials were a byproduct of medical ignorance at the time. the panic and hysteria began after a young girl became "possessed" in what many historians believe were the symptoms of an epileptic seizure.
Why has no one mentioned the death of Jesus? The most brutal beating imaginable followed by suffocation on a roman cross - one of the most horrible ways to die in all of history.
Sonendo ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:29:03 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Probably due to how common it was, but still a bad way to die.
Henrietta Lacks
Imagine having a tumor but but instead of one there where several throughout her body and she died after days of so much pain they just gave her morphine and stopped all other medication.
That's what hospice care is. They stop fluids and other life sustaining medications and measures and just give the patient medication to ease their pain. They're often unconscious by the end anyways.
HeroCC ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:52:46 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
The Judas Cradle was a nasty way to die
Apkoha ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 07:03:05 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Franz Reichelt, dude was trying to build a parachute tested it by jumping off the Eiffel Tower. There's old video of it, and you can see his apprehension but he does it anyway.. and you can just watch him drop like a stone to the icy ground below.
Le Petit Parisien reported that his right leg and arm were crushed, his skull and spine broken, and that he was bleeding from his mouth, nose and ears. Le Figaro noted that his eyes were wide open, dilated with terror. He was already dead by the time the onlookers rushed to his body
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 10:12:07 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
if he had jumped from a greater height apparently it would have worked
I learned this in my last semester of ancient history: Ancient Persian torture method known as
Scaphism, also known as the boats,[1] was an ancient Persian method of execution designed to inflict torturous death that was described by the Persians' archenemies, the Greeks. The name comes from the Greek ฯฮบฮฌฯฮท, skรกphe, meaning "anything scooped (or hollowed) out".
The intended victim was stripped naked and then firmly fastened within the interior space of two narrow rowing boats (or hollowed-out tree trunks) joined together one on top of the other with the head, hands and feet protruding. The condemned was forced to ingest milk and honey to the point of developing severe diarrhea, and more honey would be poured on him to attract insects, with special attention devoted to the eyes, ears, mouth, face, genitals, and anus. In some cases, the executioner would mix milk and honey and pour that mixture all over the victim. He would then be left to float on a stagnant pond or be exposed to the sun. The defenseless individual's feces accumulated within the container, attracting more insects which would eat and breed within the victim's exposed flesh, whichโpursuant to interruption of the blood supply by burrowing insectsโbecame increasingly gangrenous. The individual would lie naked, covered from head to toe in milk, honey, and his own feces. The feeding would be repeated each day in some cases to prolong the torture, so that fatal dehydration or starvation did not occur. Death, when it eventually occurred, was probably due to a combination of dehydration, starvation, and septic shock. Delirium would typically set in after a few days.
Ralph Ignatowski. US soldier who died at Iwo Jima.
"Other eyewitness reports further indicated that Ignatowski had been tortured in the cave by the Japanese for three days, during which time they also cut out his eyes, cut off his ears, smashed in his teeth, and cut off his genitalia"
DAY 1: November 22, 1988: Kidnapped
Kept captive in house, and posed as one of boyโs girlfriend
Raped (over 400 times in total)
Forced to call her parents and tell them she had run away
Starved and malnutrition
Fed cockroaches to eat and urine to drink
Forced to masturbate
Forced to strip in front of others
Burned with cigarette lighters and set off fireworks in her ears, mouth, vagina
Foreign objects inserted into her vagina/anus including a still lit light-bulb
DAY 11: December 1, 1988: Severely beat up countless times
Face held against concrete ground and jumped on
Hands tied to ceiling and body used as a punching bag until her damaged internal organs made blood run from her mouth
Nose filled with so much blood that she can only breath through her mouth
Dumbbells dropped onto her stomach
Vomited when tried to drink water (her stomach couldnโt accept it)
Tried to escape and punished by cigarette burning on arms
Flammable liquid poured on her feet and legs, then lit on fire
Bottle inserted into her anus, causing injury
DAY 20: December10, 1988: Unable to walk properly due to severe leg burns
Beat with bamboo sticks
Fireworks inserted into anus and lit
Hands smashed by weights and fingernails kracked
Beaten with golf club
Cigarettes inserted into vagina and forced to drink her own urine as they laughed
Beaten with iron rods repeatedly
Winter; forced outside to sleep in balcony
Skewers of grilled chicken inserted into her vagina and anus, causing bleeding.
And yet sheโd almost escaped. One time she reached the telephoneโbut one of the boys caught her just in time and ended the call for help. They punished her by taunting her with a candle flame and finally dousing her legs in lighter fluid and set her on fire, as punishment for trying to run away. She went into convulsions; the boys would later say that they thought she was faking the seizure. They set her on fire again, then put it out. She survived this round.
the list goes on... article also shows a picture of the girl... always felt like shit after reading this
Supposedly at one point an army (Hannibals IIRC) had a Roman army surrounded and started circling and killing them. Took most of the day and as they got toward the center they found Roman soldiers who had straight up buried their own heads to commit suicide.
The agony of waiting 4+ hours to die in a frantic crowd while hearing all your comrades dieing all around you sounds pretty damn awful.
That and the irradiated Japanese guy who was kept alive for days, begging to die while his skin basically melted off.
Ambushh ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:32:44 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Little late to the party but I recall some guy survived either the Hiroshima or Nagasaki explosions and was severely radioactively burned all over his body. But they kept him alive and awake for days with no sedatives or pain meds so they could study the effects of radiation on the body.
I don't remember the name, but a man who survived a severe nuclear accident in Japan was kept alive for 83 days, begging for death constantly until he eventually lost consciousness and died. His DNA was virtually destroyed upon the incident happening, and there is an image of his condition.
Some side information for anyone who's curious about the technical details: the nuclear accident was a two-excursion criticality accident caused by processing uranyl nitrate solution with an unauthorized, jury-rigged system using a vessel of unfavorable geometry. This guy was holding the funnel the solution was being poured through, and received a 16-20 Gy (1600-2000 rad) dose.
I didn't see anyone put this one up yet. A girl dropped her cell phone in an open pit toilet, went in to get it, and passed out from the fumes. Someone went in after her, he passed out. More went in, but they had to stop because they were getting knocked out and drowning in a pool of shit and piss.
Jose Melena was performing maintenance in a 35-foot-long oven at the company's Santa Fe Springs plant before dawn Oct. 11, 2012, when a co-worker, who mistakenly believed Melena was in the bathroom, filled the pressure cooker with 12,000 pounds of canned tuna and it was turned on.
When a supervisor noticed Melena, 62, was missing, an announcement was made on the intercom and employees searched for him in the facility and parking lot, according to a report by the California Division of Occupational Safety and Health. His body was found two hours later after the pressure cooker, which reached a temperature of 270 degrees, was turned off and opened.
The "Blood Eagle" used by the Vikings was pretty messed up. If I remember right, the victim would have his ribs sawed or broken along his spine and have his lungs pulled out through his back and set up on his shoulders son they resembled eagles wings. The victim either died from suffocation or blood loss. Neither of which happened quick enough
So, the only record we have of this "Scaphism" is 3rd party accounts who also just happened to be enemies of Persia. With no physical evidence, or even anyone proclaiming that they actually carried out the sentence, it's much more likely it was anti-Persian propaganda.
Bazti ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 02:05:29 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
True, but someone thought it up. Which makes it possible that someone else actually did it. It's not like humans do all kinds of weird stuff.
sqraaa ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:15:57 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
But why wouldn't someone do it? The idea's been around at least since the Persian empire. You don't think medieval torturers got bored?
sqraaa ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 06:09:39 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
idk
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:32:15 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
The Entirety of the Mass Killings during the Rape of Nanking. The japanese were so horrific two officers ran a bet on who could kill the most people with a samurai sword.
Fyodor Dostoevsky's father. He was a landowner in 19th century Russia. He treated his serfs so poorly that they revolted, eventually killing him by holding him down and pouring vodka down his throat till he drowned. Russians have always been crazy.
The human mind is the closest thing to a literal hell, infact it's probably worse. For all the creativity and kindness we create we're capable of the worst things imaginable.
Not very well educated about this but iirc there's a form of torture where you're strapped to the ground and bamboo is planted underneath you or something and it slowly grows and basically penetrates your back.
crop028 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 08:20:37 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Not as slowly as you would expect though, bamboo can grow up to a foot in a day.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 10:06:16 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
alot slower than being stabbed though, i'm surprised this works though given the body would deny the bamboo light, if you were bound to a rack a few feet above the ground i can see it working
Mary Turner had a pretty horrible death. A mob hung her upside down from a tree and set her on fire after dousing her with gas. They then cut her abdomen open while she was still alive. Her unborn baby fell out and the mob stopped it to death while she watched burning. It all finally ended when they showered her with bullets as she burned in the tree.
Ottomans being impaled from their anuses through their body and out if their mouth by Vlad the Impaler (Prince of Wallachia). Some of them would not die directly, sometimes it took as long as 3 days for them to pass away.
A British tribal leader lured another tribal leader into a fight. He said they would fight with equal numbers to settle for once and all their rivalry. However, the first leader showed up with twice as many men. After winning the fight and killing almost everyone, he decapitated his rival to bring his head back as a trophy. He tied the head to the saddle of his Horse but during the ride back all went wrong. The dirty teeth of the head scratched into the leg of the tribal leader and the wound got infected. He died a few days later.
The death that comes to mind is that girl that got lost in that underground tunnel maze. Where it's pitch black and hundreds of miles of maze. Can't recall that the name but I'm sure it's on the tip of red it's tongue.
I was going to say blood eagle, but the others here are so much worse, at least that didn't last a very long time.
B-612 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:43:31 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
weren't they also pretty fond of opening the thorax, grabbing the lungs out but still attached and functioning?
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 12:41:02 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
One of the officers during my first training cruise had worked on an LNG carrier. Now, like all tanker ships, LNG carriers have large walk-in tanks. Every so often these tanks need to be inspected. So how do they do it? A team are sent in to perform routine checks and maintenance
Now, the main concern is finding yourself in a potential pocket of fumes or lack of oxygen and passing out and/or dying of hypoxia. The truth is, if you're going to die on a tanker ship, you had better hope it'd be like that, instead of what happened to the officer.
You see, the real fear of anyone working in a floodable space like, say, a tank is not death by hypoxia, but being shut in. Maybe you're in there by yourself and someone just thinks that no. 2 tank was left open. Hatch shuts, is sealed, and you're trapped in there. No one can hear you, and really, there's no way to call for help. So whst do you do?
You wait. That's all you can do. Wait for something, anything to happen. You pray to whatever gods, demons, aedra/daedra you know of that you'll be rescued, but really, you don't know what's going to happen - what's worse, when it's going to happen. The tank could be flooded any second...or it might be a day from now. You might starve to death before that happens. Or maybe, if the planets are aligned just right, you'll be rescued real soon.
I don't know what exactly happened with the officer during my cruise ; whether or not she also suffered some damage from fumes or hypoxia, but what we did know was that she was down there for a long time. She was apparently a lot fitter before the incident, and there was just something...off about her mannerisms (a friend jokingly compared her to Aunt Gayle from Bob's Burgers). The point is: it's not so much how you die in a tank, but the wait itself.
TL;DR: being trapped in a ship's cargo tank. No way to know if you're going to be rescued or if you'll suffocate or starve to death. No way of getting help, and no way of knowing when your ordeal will conclude, be it through rescue, starvation, suffocation, or drowning.
Knowing you will die as soon as they remove you...
aviary83 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:51:04 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I read somewhere once that there were tribes in Africa (? my memory is fuzzy on this, it was a long time ago) who would execute people by pounding three long wooden stakes up their ass and then hanging them from a tree (not by the neck) to die slowly. It could take days. Sounds like an excruciating fucking death.
I want to find a source for you guys, but I really don't want to Google "death by stake up the ass."
Jemais ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:53:12 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Not one person but a lot of Christians (and others) who were killed by the Roman emperor Caligula. They were hung upside down in public and sawed from the crotch down, which basically filleted their spine. He also liked to bite off their testicules and eat them in front of them. You might think that they would die pretty quickly but because they were upside down, all the blood went to their head which stopped them from fainting and meant they wouldn't die of blood loss, so it took them ages to die and they felt everything. If this hasn't grossed you out look up Caligula he really wasn't a nice man
I don't remember how I found out about this, but it happened back in 2007. The couple was kidnapped, tortured, raped, then murdered. It's one of the most brutal crimes I've ever read about.
I story from 1779 about a little town in upstate NY tells of a group of Indians opening the bellies of General Sullivan's army, and tying them to a tree by their intestines, then torturing them, and finally scalping and beheading them.
Boyd and Parker were directed to what is now known as โThe Torture Treeโ where they underwent a trial of excruciating abuses where their finger and toe nails were removed, their gentials mutilated and their backs whipped. While having been stripped naked, their right ears were cut off as well as their noses and their tongues. Each of their right eyes had been gouged from their sockets and left hanging by strands of flesh. In a final show of protest to the settlers taking their land, the Senecas cut open the abdomen of each Boyd and Parker and attached one end of their intestines to the tree and forced each of them to walk around the trunk in circles. Upon final collapse, their hearts were ripped from their bodies and each were beheaded.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:06:37 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Read this recently - found the article again..
Grigori Rasputin - He was poisoned, but he didnโt die. So he went after the guys who poisoned him, and they stabbed him. He still didnโt die and kept going after the assassins, so they shot him and thought they had finished him. His eyes opened and he lunged for one of the assassins to strangle him, so they shot him some more, this time he started to crawl away. They then thrashed him, tied him up, threw him in a sack, and threw the sack into the river. Two days later the sack was recovered, and it looked like Rasputin almost escaped his bindings and clawed out of the bag. To top it all, while his body was being burned, the tendons shrunk and he sat up in the fire.
Late to the party, but the 44 Days in Hell story is pretty brutal. So awful.
tpots38 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:39:57 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
There was a video posted to "Watch People Die" a short while ago...
It was a lady and her son riding an escalator in China. Once they reached the top of the escalator the platform gave way and her legs were grabbed by the sharp escalator stairs. A witness grabbed her little boy and pulled him to safety. He turned to watch his mom slowly be consumed by the electric escalator.
After watching this video I've yet to remove this image from my brain....Forever scared.
A Teenager on his first day of work, got caught and pulled into a wood chipper. It happened just last month, (Nov. 2015)
One of those monks that lit themselves on fire to protest the Vietnam war. That would be a terrible way to die.
AXandr ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:57:08 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
A while ago I read about some guy was looking up at a burning lighthouse and had molten lead drip down his throat, he died. Sorry about the lack of information
Cato the Younger. After Cesar's victory at Pharsalus he botched a suicide attempt. His shrieks drew his servants who brought in a doctor who was moving to put his guts back in -- he tore them out with his own hands and quickly died.
I read this not too long ago and it seems like a pretty painful way to go:
20 July 1981, 24-year-old David Allen Kirwan from La Canada, California, was driving through Yellowstoneโs Fountain Paint Pot thermal area with his friend Ronald Ratliff and Ratliffโs dog Moosie. At about 1:00 P.M. they parked their truck to get out and take a closer look at the hot springs; Moosie escaped from the truck, ran towards nearby Celestine Pool (a thermal spring whose water temperature has been measured at over 200ยฐ), jumped in, and began yelping.
Kirwan and Ratliff rushed over to the pool to aid the terrified dog, and Kirwanโs attitude indicated he was about to go into the spring after it. According to bystanders, several people tried to warn Kirwan off by yelling at him not to jump in, but he shouted โLike hell I wonโt!โ back at them, took two steps into the pool, and then dove head-first into the boiling spring.
Kirwan swam out to the dog and attempted to take it to shore; he then disappeared underwater, let go of the dog, and tried to climb out of the pool. Ratliff helped pull Kirwan out of the hot spring (resulting in second-degree burns to his own feet), and another visitor led Kirwan to the sidewalk as he reportedly muttered, โThat was stupid. How bad am I? That was a stupid thing I did.โ
Kirwan was indeed in very bad shape. He was blind, and when another park visitor tried to remove one of his shoes, his skin (which was already peeling everywhere) came off with it. He sustained third-degree burns to 100% of his body, including his head, and died the following morning at a Salt Lake City hospital.
Hiroshi Ouchi took 83 days to die after exposure to a lethal dose of radiation. All his skin fell off and he begged the doctors to kill him.
OhBatman ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:58:22 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
He died of an ouchi
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:24:27 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)*
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RC_COW ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 01:47:53 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
You mean stuffed into wet leather bags then were set out to dry? Leather shrinks when its dry not wet lol
nancyaw ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:44:53 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Just ask OJ.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:49:56 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
A lot of this was most likely anti-Nero propaganda , I have no doubt he had Christians killed in pretty gruesome ways , but stuff like using them for torches is just silly
Many years ago a farmer, two of his sons, and one of his workers died in a manure pit. The story was that one of them fell in, and the rest instictevly jumped in one by one trying to save each other. That sounded like a pretty shitty way to die..
Pig lagoons. Not cool. About as impossible to save someone from as a mud hole - you see someone go in, and if you try to save them, you're going in, too.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:23:24 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)*
Unit 731.
Edit: a number
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:59:56 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
googled it all i got were real estate listings care to elaborate?
Thank you for posting. (yes it's gruesome people, but obviously you already read about it, I hadn't seen it and I was left sitting here with wtf expression, every time someone referenced it.) upvote for information
It wasn't particularly gory, but the death of Tanya Savicheva was crushingly sad. TLDR: Little girl lives in Leningrad. Siege starts. Is given small notebook to use as diary (old diary had to be burned when they ran out of firewood). Diary entries are mostly noting when members of her family died of overwork, sickness, or starvation. Her last entry read: "Only Tanya is left."
She was rescued and evacuated with a larger group of children, but by that point, she had contracted tuberculosis. She died in an orphanage, but at least before she died, she got to see her brother who escaped before the siege got really bad. He was the last living family member she had.
LMD96 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:33:25 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Abraham Lincoln
Being hammered in the butt
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:10:11 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Supposedly, Viking King Harold II died in the Battle of Hastings after taking an arrow in the eye. Ow.
[deleted] ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 06:56:37 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)*
1: Harold Godwinson wasn't a viking, he was the Anglo-Saxon king of England. Harold Hardrada on the other hand was the king of Norway and probably qualified as a 'viking' (even though he wasn't pagan) he also tried to claim the throne of England but was defeated and killed at the battle of Stamford Bridge by Harold Godwinson. After that victory the still living Harold rushed his forces south to meet William the Conquerer , where he did get shot in the eye with an arrow.
2: getting shot in the eye is actually a pretty quick and painless way to die as the arrow would have probably gone into his brain, also it would be waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay quicker and less painful then taking one to the stomach.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 08:51:06 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
agreed, death by arrow in the eye, preferable to stomach,
I heard he survived the arrow and pulled it out of his eye. There's also evidence a Norman Knight cut him down in the final attack. Fun fact: A Norman knight cut a leg off Harold's corpse and William was so pissed he sent the knight back to Normandy in disgrace.
Theirs a story out there that has a recording in YouTube somewhere.
These brothers in Italy, back during the space race times picked up a transmission of a Soviet woman cosmonaut saying "things were wrong and that she needed help". They didn't pick up a response to her calls.
It's well known that the Soviets did not let the public know of most their failed missions to space. Where as the USA has news coverage of every event. Scary to think she was just left up there in space.
I think that was proven to be fake, there's a video of it on youtube subtitled and IIRC most of the comments say the person speaks Russian like a person who speaks English.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:29:39 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Nobody expects the spanish inquisition...
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:19:49 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I'm gonna go with brazen bull
Big brass bull from ancient greek times. They stuff you inside, and build a fire beneath it. You slowly roast to death and your screams echo out of the bulls mouth.
The guy who invented the Brazen Bowl was then executed in his own invention. Basically it was a hollow bull made of bronze that had a complex system of tubes in the head designed to make the screams of the victim sound like a bull. A fire was lit under it, and it is said that the bones of the victim shown like jewels and were then made into bracelets. How they bent a bone into a bracelet, don't ask me.
I know of a man who had the chance to seize the throne for himself.
Instead, he chose the higher path and passed it on to the "rightful king". The king, being an unconscionable asshole, falsely accused him of launching a coup, took his daughter as his fiance vowed to murder the rest of his family. The worst part, the absolute WORST part of it all, was that he was forced to confess to his "crime" in public to be spared the sword. He confessed, the king went back on his word and proceeded to chop of his head in front of his daughters.
Spoiler Alert everyone younlove dies including dire wolves.
adonis98 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:17:55 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Even though it was self-inflicted, I'd say Janis Joplin had a pretty rough ending. She was terrified of being alone, and she overdosed alone in a room, wedged in the corner...
n0ahbody ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:45:36 on December 14, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
The sack of Constantinople was by all accounts particularly horrible and gruesome. The description is so horrible I don't even want to post it here. Especially the part about what Mehemet II did to the son of the Greek Grand Duke. Look it up.
Mehmet wanted to fuck him, his Dad said no, so Mehmet had them all decapitated according to wikipedia...so I mean, that's bad and everything, but it could have been worse...
All I found on wikipedia is that the kids was killed in front of the
duke then the duke was killed. Do tell the juicer story.
n0ahbody ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 00:17:01 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
It's too horrible. I'm not just talking about the main event with the boy, I'm talking about the horror being felt by all the other people in the room.
There was a Ukrainian teenage girl who got lost inside Odessa's catacombs during a new years party. Alone and afraid, she wandered the catacombs for days in pitch black and freezing temperatures before she passed away.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 08:52:13 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
apparently it took ages to find her body as well
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:12:09 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Arius, the christian heretic. He shit out his own bowels.
back in the medieval ages, they would put a rat in a bucket and put the bucket on your chest, then hold a torch to the bucket and the rat would eat a whole through your chest to escape.
I'm surprised that the Japanese man that was kept alive with radiation isn't high up. It's been on here and couple times and it may be close to one of the most fucked up things, as are most of these.
The torture method where they are whipped, hubg between boats, and drizzeled with honey so that insects come and fester in the whip lashes. They die from necrosis, exposure,shock and being eaten alive.
VIIX ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:37:58 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Genghis Khan boiled dozens of people. Imagine being in water till your neck, waiting for the water to get hotter and hotter...
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:04:56 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
apparently its not all that painful if you are put in cold water first as you lose consciousness due to excessive sweating then drown, i admit not pleasant but i dont think its the worst
Auguste Chapdelaine, a French Christian missionary of the Paris Foreign Missions Society.
Death by a thousand cuts, the slow process, the lingering death, or slow slicing, was a form of torture and execution used in China from roughly AD 900 until it was banned in 1905. In this form of execution, a knife was used to methodically remove portions of the body over an extended period of time, eventually resulting in death.
rich815 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:25:08 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Look up Vlad the Impaler. Anyone killed by him.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:01:13 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
yeah but for every village he impaled 10 villages would flee effectively sparing more people from death
Perillos of Athens burned in the Brazen bull and then thrown off a hill
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:36:55 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Peter Stumpp.
The execution of Stumpp, on October 31, 1589, and of his daughter and mistress is one of the most brutal on record: He was put to a wheel*, where "flesh was torn from his body", in ten places, with red-hot pincers, followed by his arms and legs. Then his limbs were broken with the blunt side of an axehead to prevent him from returning from the grave, before he was beheaded and burned on a pyre. His daughter and mistress had already been flayed and strangled and were burned along with Stumpp's body. As a warning against similar behavior, local authorities erected a pole with the torture wheel and the figure of a wolf on it, and at the very top they placed Peter Stumpp's severed head.
Breaking Wheel:
The wheel was typically a large wooden wagon wheel with many radial spokes. The condemned were lashed to the wheel and their limbs were beaten with a club or iron cudgel, with the gaps in the wheel allowing the limbs to give way and break.
From what I understand, sometimes they would weave the broken arms through the spokes of the wheel as well.
Maybe not the most horrible but I found it more than a little disturbing when I read it 10 years ago...
An anonymous prince, or malik, in Mosul (present day Iraq) that was killed by Hulagu Khan, a grandson of Genghis Khan's...
From the 25 April 2005 New Yorker :
Mongols had no real talent for building, anyway. Plague and famine and disintegration followed the Mongol incursion. Places they conquered sometimes had to be re-subdued. The city of Mosul, which had submitted almost eagerly to Mongol rule at first, changed its attitude afterward, when a new malik, or prince, came to power there. Under his leadership the inhabitants of MosulโKurds, Arabs, and some tribal peopleโrebelled and forted themselves up behind the city walls, and the Mongols put them under siege.
During one attack, a number of Mongol soldiers climbed over Mosulโs walls, only to be surrounded and killed to a man. The defenders then cut off the Mongolsโ heads, put the heads in a catapult, and fired them back at the Mongols outside. This effrontery brought out Hulaguโs sternest side. After his forces finally took the city, he ordered the malik to be brought to him. Then he had the malik fastened tightly inside a fresh sheepskin and left in the sun, where vermin ate him alive for a month until he died.
vito1221 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:45:44 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I bet the folks put into that giant brass bull with a fire under it would have traded places with Octavia.
oncie ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 07:00:56 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Did you know, the creator of the bronze bull was asked to show how it worked once inside they closed it and killed him with his own invention.
Not really a specific person, but the people who died in it...I don't even remember what it was called, something like "Bloody Eagle". And why it's called that, it's when they cut your spine open, take out your lungs to form the wings on the back and let your blood spillover while you "fly"(breathe).
As Ivar was the most generous of men, he attracted a great many warriors, whom he subsequently kept from รlla when รlla was attacked again by Ivar's brothers. รlla was captured, and when the brothers were to decide how to give รlla his just punishment, Ivar suggested that they carve the "blood eagle" on his back. According to popular belief, this meant that รlla's back was cut open, the ribs pulled from his spine, and his lungs pulled out to form "wings."
Badname1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:45:04 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Not a famous history person buuuuuuuuuuuuut, a kid fell in a woodchipper.
salmon10 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:56:17 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Vigo Von Homburg Deutschendorf, aka Vigo the Carpathian. And he didnt just die of old age either; he was poisoned, stabbed, shot, hung, stretched, disemboweled, drawn and quartered.
I was at tennis practice that day and still remember the awful smell that basically clouded the city shortly after the implosion and this was a few miles away at least.
So did a lot of other people who were crucified. Really a horrible way to go, especially with how common it was.
mainkhud ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:31:15 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
About 400,000 people a year die from drowning (not even including natural disasters). Like the other causes of death listed here, drowning is a terrifying and uncomfortable way to die. So deeply ingrained is the fear and terror of drowning that โwaterboardingโ used as a torture is highly effective. (Positioning a person with his head low so water cannot flow into the lungs, covering his nose and mouth with a towel and pouring water on the face. In almost all people this results in immediate panic and intense discomfort.) If the drowning person is conscious while drowning, the terror experienced may well be greater than any other death.
At the end of July 1941, three prisoners disappeared from the camp, promptingย SS-Hauptsturmfรผhrerย Karl Fritzsch, the deputy camp commander, to pick 10 men to be starved to death in an underground bunker to deter further escape attempts. When one of the selected men,ย Franciszek Gajowniczek, cried out, "My wife! My children!", Kolbe volunteered to take his place. (...)
The ten condemned to death went through terrible days. From the underground cell in which they were shut up there continually arose the echo of prayers and canticles. The man in-charge of emptying the buckets of urine found them always empty. Thirst drove the prisoners to drink the contents. Since they had grown very weak, prayers were now only whispered. (...)
After two weeks, nearly all the prisoners, except Kolbe had died due to dehydration and starvation. Because the guards wanted the cell emptied, the remaining prisoners and Kolbe were executed with a lethal injection.ย
David Howes and Derek Wood were wearing civilian clothes and driving in a silver Volkswagen Passat hatchback. The Mac Brรกdaigh funeral was making its way along the Andersonstown Road towards Milltown Cemetery when the car containing the two corporals appeared. The car headed straight towards the front of the funeral, which was headed by several black taxis. It drove past a Sinn Fรฉin steward who signalled it to turn. Mourners at the funeral said they believed they were under attack from Ulster loyalists.[11] The car then mounted a pavement, scattering mourners, and turned into a small side road. When this road was blocked, it then reversed at speed, ending up within the funeral cortege. When the driver attempted to extricate the car from the cortege his exit route was blocked by a black taxi.
When the car was surrounded and the windows smashed, those surrounding attempted to drag the soldiers out. Wood produced a handgun,[12] which certain off-duty members of the security forces were permitted to carry at the time. Wood climbed part of the way out of a window, firing a shot in the air which briefly scattered the crowd. Television pictures showed the crowd surging back, with some of them attacking the vehicle with a wheel-brace and a stepladder snatched from a photographer. The corporals were eventually pulled from the car and punched and kicked to the ground.
Journalist Mary Holland recalled seeing one of the men being dragged past a group of journalists: "He didn't cry out, just looked at us with terrified eyes, as though we were all enemies in a foreign country who wouldn't have understood what language he was speaking if he called out for help."[13] They were dragged to the nearby Casement Park sports ground. Here they were again beaten and stripped to their underpants and socks by a small group of men. According to the BBC and The Independent the men were also tortured.[2][11][14] A search revealed that the men were British Army soldiers. Redemptorist priest Father Alec Reid, who later played a significant part in the peace process leading to the 1998 Good Friday Agreement, intervened and attempted to get someone to call for an ambulance, but was dragged away and threatened with shooting if he didn't stand up; he was then pulled away from the men.[15] The corporals were further beaten and thrown over a high wall to be put into a waiting black taxi. It was driven off at speed, while camera crews captured one of its passengers waving a fist in the air.
The two men were driven less than 200 yards to waste ground near Penny Lane (South Link), just off the main Andersonstown Road. There they were shot several times. Wood was shot six times, twice in the head and four times in the chest. He was also stabbed four times in the back of the neck and had multiple injuries to other parts of his body. Reid had been following the perpetrators in an attempt to intervene and save Howes and Wood; when he arrived at the scene he gave the last rites to the two men.[16]
Sir Brian Hutton, sentencing, said
"All murders are brutal, but the murders of Corporal Howes and Corporal Wood were particularly savage and vicious . . . They were stripped of most of their clothing and they lay in their own blood in the back of the taxi when you took them to the waste ground to be killed, and in that pitiable and defenceless state you brought about their murders as they lay on the ground."
Shortly after, the IRA released a statement:
The Belfast brigade, IRA, claims responsibility for the execution of two SAS members who launched an attack on the funeral cortege of our comrade volunteer Kevin Brady. The SAS unit was initially apprehended by the people lining the route in the belief that armed loyalists were attacking them and they were removed from the immediate vicinity. Our volunteers forcibly removed the two men from the crowd and, after clearly ascertaining their identities from equipment and documentation, we executed them."
The guy who lasted over 2 weeks of Scaphism. Basically you get placed in a boat with holes for your arms and legs to hang out. Then another boat placed firmly on top so your stuck in that position. Then they would float you out into a swamp for all the insects to get intimate with your body. You would be kept alive by being brought back in to be force fed and smeared in milk and honey to cause bowel distress to attract more insects to come feed. Two fucking weeks of that!
Chinese bamboo torture has to be up there. They would tie you to two wooden stakes as you later horizontally, face down. They would then gorge you with tons of food to make you fat. Then they plant a bamboo shoot below you and because bamboo grows so fast, in about ten days the plant will start growing through your fat body.
there was a black woman who was lynched after calling out a moon for lynching her husband. Basically they burned her alive, cut open her stomach (she was 8 months pregnant), stomped the baby, then shoot her hundreds of times
According to a U.S. Central Intelligence Agency study,[15] "the effect of an FAE explosion within confined spaces is immense. Those near the ignition point are obliterated. Those at the fringe are likely to suffer many internal, and thus invisible injuries, including burst eardrums and crushed inner ear organs, severe concussions, ruptured lungs and internal organs, and possibly blindness." Another Defense Intelligence Agency document speculates that because the "shock and pressure waves cause minimal damage to brain tissueโฆit is possible that victims of FAEs are not rendered unconscious by the blast, but instead suffer for several seconds or minutes while they suffocate."
I've heard stories that, if not directly hit, they'll basically suck the lungs out of your body as you cook alive.
Anyone who had to endure time at Japanese Prefecture 731, abhorrently horrifying atrocities.
Basically any image is NFSL, before you go off and Google it.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:50:32 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I read somewhere about this guy a long long time ago was fed a lot of milk and honey and laxatives and also lathered in honey, then tied to row boat and pushed put into the middle of a swamp. The bugs came and ate him alive as he shit all over himself. The bugs laid eggs inside of him as he watches them crawl in and out of his body. Took about a week for him to die.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:52:32 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
my high school exam results are all coming out tomorrow, was insanely nervous. this really took my mind off it.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:02:33 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Edward II of England was deposed one of his noblemen (Mortimer) because he didn't like Richard's relationship with his male companion Piers Gaveston. Having been removed from the throne, Richard was locked up in a dungeon and left to die.
At some point later, an assassin made his way into Edward's cell -- probably on Mortimer's orders -- and decided to end his life with the most ironic of punishments: the assassin took a red hot poker and repeatedly sodomized Edward with it until he died. Contemporary reports say the screams could be heard for miles.
Epilogue: The big mistake Mortimer made was leaving Edward's son alive. He later became Edward III of England, and let's just say that he wasn't the forgiving sort...
Jrebeclee ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:07:33 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)*
I read an account of a fully pregnant woman whose family was killed by Native Americans, then they gang raped her until she went into labor, she was in labor for four days and died. I don't remember the name but that is just horrific
His penis was cut off in front of him and he was forced to eat it, and all the other tortures such as fingers and toes cut off, skinned stabbed burnt etc. He was an african american who was accused of raping a white women and consequently lynched, worst part was that there was no hard evidence he had done it. After they killed him they burnt down the houses of every other african american in the area
eshemuta ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:13:31 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
A common punishment in colonial India was to be "broken on the wheel". The miscreant was tied to a wagon wheel and a big fella with a steel rod methodically broke every bone in his body. I understand it was widely used in Europe too.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:17:31 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
That bus massacre by Los Zetas was awful.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:37:12 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
MLK Jr., betrayed with a kiss.
dashdanw ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:40:13 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
The [Byford Dolphin Diving Bell Accident] is definitely up there in my book.
Coward, Lucas, and Bergersen were exposed to the effects ofย explosive decompressionand died in the positions indicated by the diagram. Subsequent investigation byforensic pathologistsย determined Hellevik, being exposed to the highest pressure gradient and in the process of moving to secure the inner door, was forced through the 60 centimetres (24ย in) inย diameterย opening created by the jammed interior trunk door by escaping air and violently dismembered, including bisection of the thoracoabdominal cavity which further resulted in expulsion of all internalย organsย of the chest and abdomen except the trachea and a section of small intestine and of the thoracicย spineย and projecting them some distance, one section later being found 10 metres (30ย ft) vertically above the exterior pressure door
OTPh1l25 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:57:55 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
The bronze bull, the sandpaper room, bamboo torture, rat torture, and being hung drawn and quarted were all awful.
The bronze bull was a large bronze statue of a bull that had a hollowed out space inside. The king would lock people in it, and set a fire beneath the statue, slowly cooking the person inside until they died of it or suffocation. There was a trumpet like device inside that lead to an opening in the bulls mouth, so the victim would use it to breath, and while they screamed, it would warp the sound so it sounded like a bull bellowing.
The sandpaper room was a space that was inescapable, on top of a belt (think grocery store belt). The surface of it was rough like sandpaper, and the victim would walk for as long as thr2y were able, before eventually collapsing, and being ground up.
Bamboo torture was on mythbusters a while back, but essentially there were two ways of doing it. On was to set the person on an already mostly mature bamboo stalk, and add weights to their legs, slowly forcing them down onto it. The other was to strap them down with a young bamboo stalk below them. The bamboo would then grow up, piercing their body. In both cases people could be human shish kebabs for days before dying.
Using rat torture, the person would be strapped down, and a bottomless box of rats would be placed on their chest. Fire or some other intense heat would be placed on the top of the box, and in order to escape the rats would dig through the person.
If you were hung drawn and quartered, they would string you up in the gallows until you were almost dead (hung). Your intestines were then pulled out and burned or buried in front of you (drawn). And finally you were subject to the classic each limb tied to a different horse, then the horses ran away (quartered). After that they just left you.
History is rough man.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:34:17 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
There was a torture method where the victim was hung upside down with his legs spread apart. Using a two person saw, they would go back and forth sawing between his legs until he died. Since all of the blood is in the guy's head, he would usually last until they reached his stomach.
Hypatia of Alexandria (351-415) was supposedly murdered by having her skin scraped off with pottery shards, dismembered and burned (although she most likely would have been dead by the time they got around to the burning)
B-612 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:08:46 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Komarov died on re-entry but wasn't there other Russian cosmonaut(s) who died up there after air ran out, cursing until they had no breath left?
The Chinese execution of "slow Slicing" where you're essentially dissected piece by piece is pretty horrible. That or the death of Tim Lopes who was killed by Drug traffickers in Brazil in 2002;
"Upon being confronted, Lopes stated that he was a journalist from Rede Globo. They asked for his journalist credentials, which Lopes did not carry when working undercover. Lopes was subsequently beaten at the scene. Using a Nextel radio, the traffickers called the head drug lord, Elias Pereira da Silva, known by his nickname, Elias Maluco (meaning "Crazy Elias" or "Madman Elias"), at the faction's headquarters at the favela da Grota within the Complexo do Alemรฃo for instructions.They were told to wait for a car to pick them up to transport Lopes from Vila Cruzeiro, across the hills to the top of the Grota in the Complexo do Alemรฃo where Elias Maluco was waiting for what he viewed as the captured "trophy". Before putting him into the trunk of a stolen Fiat Palio, the traffickers shot Lopes in either his feet or legs and tied his hands behind his back.
They proceeded to burn Lopes' eyes with a cigarette. In a "macabre ritual" of violence,using a samurai or a ninja type sword, Elias Maluco proceeded to cut off Tim Lopes' hands, arms, and legs while Lopes was still alive.The other traffickers such as Andrรฉ Capeta and Ratinho also participated in the torture. Police were later told that there was blood on several of the traffickers that were gathered around. Lopes was placed within several tires, covered in diesel fuel, and set on fire. This process, which had become institutionalized among traffickers within Rio's most violent favelas at the time, was referred to as micro-ondas (microwave oven)."
-Wikipedia
B-612 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:22:04 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Omayra Sรกnchez, eyes that haunts.
nypvtt ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:23:33 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
crm225 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:29:39 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Google "Ling Chi" and you'll find more details.
It's an ancient Chinese execution technique used only upon the worst criminals, traitors and sometimes high level officials. The name itself literally translates as "Slow Slicing". The victim is tortured to death in public with a knife used by executioner to methodically remove portions of the body over a couple of days.
Experiencing lingering death in such a horrible way is probably one of the worst way to die.
Tupac Amaru (Peruvian Inka) was pulled apart by horses, one at each limb pulling opposite directions.
Echo8me ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:19:48 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Well, impalement was pretty gruesome. A greased wooden spike thick as your forearm was shoved partway up through your perenium (between your boys and butthole) and then stood up. Gravity would slowly pull you down lower on the spike across time and kill you. Very slow. Very agonizing.
blamb211 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:20:41 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)*
I'm a bit late, and don't have any specific examples, but pretty much anybody who was drawn and quartered. Disemboweled, then pulled in four directions by horses until you come apart sounds absolutely fucking horrible.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:34:34 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
there is a video called "Three boys, one hammer" that depicts two Russian idiots murdering a man in the woods by smashing his face in with a hammer.
Fortunately, those guys were caught and trialed
Jewish guy was kidnapped in Paris a few years ago: was tortured/sexually assaulted, burned with acid, etc. over 3 weeks. He was actually found alive but died en route to the hospital...
Back in Watchman Nee's day in China when a christian church would get busted the police would have the congregation relieve themselves in a trough and drown that pastor in it.
Thats gotta be up there somewhere.
_Batia_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:18:40 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
The way Vlad III or "Dracula" had people executed. Gruesome...
Vladimir Komarov - Russian Cosmonaut selected for the Soyuz 1 mission. Before launch, his friend Yuri Gagarin (first man in space) discovered problems with the space craft. Despite these problems, Soviet command would not call off the launch. If Komarov backed out of the mission, Gagarin would take his place. He chose to continue with the mission because he did not want his friend to die.
Soon after launch, everything went wrong and he was ordered back to Earth. During the descent his parachute got tangled and he fell down to Earth unimpeded, burning up in the process.
There is a book mentioned by NPR that says American intelligence at the time could hear his "cries of rage as he plunged to his death".
Vlad the Impaler regularly executed people by... imapling them. From the anus all the way up to the mouth and beyond
EbenHSHD ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:36:17 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Everyone who was ever put into a Brazen Bull takes the cake. You are literally roasted to death in your own juices in front of the entire town as if it were some sort of show. The bull was designed so that your screams sounded like a bull just to add to the effect.
Sawing.
Old execution technique where the convicted was suspended upside down and then sawed in half length wise with a hand saw. Yep. Nuts first.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:53:30 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
People long time ago were fucked up. Fuck them
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:54:54 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Ask A Mortician recently did an episode on "the bad death" that answers this question quite concisely. Scaphism sounds the worst to me, IMO.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:56:07 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Mary Queen of Scots had a pretty brutal end. At her execution they used a dull axe to behead her. The first swing got her in the back of the head then the executioner had to hack at her a few times then eventually finished the job with a knife. Witnesses said that her mouth was moving the whole time like she was trying to speak.
pnvv ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:56:41 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)*
Gromby ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:57:07 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I have terrible anxiety over planes specifically and I remember one incdent that I saw on the tv show "Mayday" about flight BOAC Flight 781.
Basically it was one of the first cases of explosive decompression on a commercial liner. The explosion inside caused the men, women and children to hit the inside walls and roof of the cabin within a second. They found their bodies in the water with massive broken bones and lung damage.
If you have a fear of planes, or want to learn about some of the worst accidents n aviation history check out "Mayday" on youtube or discovery channel
Felix Yusupov (1914) married Irina Aleksandrovna Romanova, the only niece of the Tsar.
"Rasputin and Yusupov (wax figures) in the fancy basement in the east wing of the Yusopov palace.
Yusupov, who had visited Rasputin in the past few months for treatment, invited Rasputin to the Yusupov palace, intimating his wife, Princess Irina, would be back from Koreiz and Rasputin could meet her after a housewarming party (Yusupov later denied his wife was involved).[251] Around midnight, on Friday 16/Saturday 17 December, Yusupov went with Dr. Stanislaus de Lazovert to Rasputin's apartment. Yusupov didn't use the regular stairs at this unseemly hour, but a stairwell in the courtyard. Around one o'clock in the morning they drove to the recently refurbished palace, where a sound-proof room, part of the wine cellar, had been specially prepared for the crime. According to Purishkevich they had placed four bottles, containing different kinds of sweet wines, in a window. Waiting in his drawing room on another floor were the fellow conspirators: Grand Duke Dmitri Pavlovich, Purishkevich, his assistant Lazovert and Sukhotin, a friend of Felix' mother (Albert Stopford came up with two of Felix' brothers-in-law: Prince Feodor and Prince Nikita). It seems some women were invited but Yusupov did not mention their names (Radzinsky suggested Dimitri's stepsister Marianne Pistohlkors and film star Vera Karalli).[252]
According to Yusupov in his memoirs he offered tea to Rasputin and petit fours laced with a large amount of cyanide. Maurice Palรฉologue, who in later years rewrote his memoirs, seems to know they discussed spirituality and occultism;[253] Albert Stopford writes politics was the issue.[254] Purishkevich, a teetotaler, mentions he could hear bottles were opened and it is highly likely Yusupov offered Rasputin top wines from the Crimea, from his own vineyard, and perhaps a cherry brandy.[note 10] After an hour or so Rasputin was fairly drunk. Yusupov went upstairs and came back with Dmitri's revolver. Rasputin was shot at close quarters by Felix sitting left of him. The bullet entered the chest penetrated the stomach and the liver; it left the body on the right side.[256] Then Rasputin fell onto a white bearskin.
However, Yusupov did not succeed in killing Rasputin. After a while "Rasputin opened his eyes and became aware of his predicament."[257] He struggled up the stairs to reach the first landing, opening an unlocked door to the courtyard, which had beenโnot long beforeโused by Yusupov's conspirators. Alarmed by the noise Purishkevich went down and fired at Rasputin four times (from an unknown distance) while missing three times (according to Nelipa). The bullet penetrated the right kidney and lodged into the spine.[258] Rasputin never reached the gate,[259] but fell into the snow, just outside the door. Then the body was carried back inside. A nervous Yusupov severely hit his victim in his right eye with his shoe.[260]
Both shots were fatal; he would have died within 10โ20 minutes, but when the body made a sudden movement, one of them placed his revolver on the forehead and pulled the trigger.[note 11]
Felix private apartment was on the east side of the palace, Embankment 94. Between the basement and his rooms, half way up, was a door opening onto a cobbled forecourt of the house adjoining. The photo shows the courtyard (belonging to Moika Embankment 92, also owned by the Yusupovs) and the secret door (between the first and second window on the right).[264][265]
Two city policemen on duty heard a 'rapid fire' of gunshot sequence;[259] besides they had seen cars coming and leaving. They discussed the issue on the Pochtamtsky Bridge. One of them questioned Yusupov's butler for details, but was sent away.[266] Twenty minutes later he was re-invited to the palace. Purishkevich boasted he had shot Rasputin, and asked the policeman, aware of his mistake, to keep it quiet for the sake of the Tsar.[267][268][269][270][271][272] However, this policeman told his superiors everything he had heard and seen.[273]
The conspirators had planned to burn Rasputinโs possessions; Sukhotin put on Rasputinโs fur coat, his rubber boots, and gloves. He left together with Dmitri Pavlovich and Dr. Lazovert in Purishkevich's car,[273] to imply that Rasputin had left the palace alive.[274] Because Purishkevich's wife refused to burn the fur coat and the boots in her small fireplace in Purishkevich's ambulance train, the conspirators went back to the palace with these large items.
When the body was wrapped in a broadcloth, Dimitri and his fellow conspirators drove in the direction of Krestovsky island[275] and threw the corpse from the car over the railing into an ice-hole in the Malaya Nevka River. They drove back, without noticing that one of Rasputin's galoshes, a rubber boot (size 10), was stuck between the pylons of the bridge. Unfortunately for the plotters his coat "formed an air bell" and the corpse drifted into an ice mass; it prevented the bodyโs disposal into the sea.[276]"
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:09:03 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
That Japanese girl who was tortured to death by her classmates
Channon Christian and Christopher Newsom. Certainly not the worst in all of history but most likely the worst in American history going back many many decades.
In A.P. U.S. History I remember reading a story about a dude who died by bladder explosion. Apparently it was disrespectful to leave before the King did and he really had to pee but held it in. Boom.
Blood Eagle. I'm watching "Vikings" from history channel and saw this performed so I looked it up, and while there is little evidence to prove that it was actually performed, it sounds like if it was it was done on รlla of Northumbria.
"The condemned prisoner would have their spine column exposed and then their ribs severed from the spine and pulled open (to resemble wings). Finally the lungs were exposed (and in some instances covered in salt) to complete the torture and lead to the death of the prisoner."
Maybe those people the narco traffickers in Central and South America killed by cutting off their heads with chainsaws.
Or the Jordanian air force pilot who got burned to death in a cage. That's pretty fucking awful.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:03:04 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)*
I think that 9/11 was pretty much the most horrible way to go. People trapped in the elevators were burned alive when jet fuel came pouring down the shafts. People were pulverized by debris when the Towers fell or had to make the decision between jumping to their deaths, suffocating to death from fumes or being burned alive by the inferno. The worst part about it is that they all spent their last minutes of earth knowing what was coming and experiencing every horrible, terrifying second until the end. It's been years, and I still have never been able to wipe that Kevin Cosgrove phone call out of memory, where you hear the Twin Towers begin to collapse and he starts screaming.
I also think the Black Dahlia died in one of the most horrible ways possible. Supposedly, she was still alive when the murderer took a knife and gave her a Glasgow smile. She had also spent days being brutally tortured before he murdered her.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:06:22 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
My friend's dad works in the pool buisiness. One night, while we werebat summer camp, he told me a story that went around in the pool business. The story starts a while ago (the '80s I think but I can't remember), this one teenager is trying to impress a few of his friends by holding his breath underwater while at the local pool. He goes underwater and sits at the bottom for a while... an impressive amount of time... so long that people start to get worried. Slowly, a stream of blood starts coming out of his mouth towards the surface. It was later found out that he had sat right ontop of one of the drains, and, back then, the drains had increadible suction, especially in public pools. He had sat on the drain in just the right way to create suction, and all of his innards were pulled out of his body through his anus. He was said to be alive for most of it and to be able to feel his internal organs get pulled out individually. I don't know this friends very well so I don't know how much merrit there is to his story but if this did happen, then it's the worst death I've heard of.
TL;DR: Kid gets innards ripped out by killer pool drain.
Rasputin, not only did he have a bad time, but he was one tough mother fucker!
-Poisoned
-Beaten
-Tossed down a flight of stairs
-Sat in a cold, dark basement for 8 hours (Russia, mind you)
-His attackers found him to be still alive the next morning, so they brought him upstairs where he proceeded to fight them off and escape out the back door
-He was shot 3 times in the back as he was running away
-Jumped into a freezing river in an attempt to swim away
No one really knows if he's dead or not, he didn't proclaim to be a wizard/healer for nothing.
Boba Fett got thrown into the Sarlacc Pit where he was digested over thousands of years. What's funny is that he was a total bad ass but died simply because Han Solo accidentally set off his jet pack...
Tycho Brahe, was a Danish astronomer and died from a burst bladder during a dinner since he refused to get up and use the toilet (as doing so would be a breach of etiquette).
Drmalady ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:48:52 on December 16, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Didn't he also have a metal nose after losing his flesh nose in a duel? He took honor pretty seriously.
Yes. The duel was over a quarrel regarding the legitimacy of a certain mathematical formula and neither had the resources to prove the other wrong, so they settled it in a duel.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:34:30 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
In Ancient Rome an innocent but controversial itinerant preacher was arrested on false charges in front of his friends. He was brutally beaten, mocked, and spit on by crowds of people who were enraged by his perfectly legal teachings. He was given an ironic crown made of thorns that scraped into the skin around the top of his head, and then made to carry a massive, heavy torture device up a big hill. He was literally nailed to the device as a public warning for anyone who got on the wrong side of the crown and left out to die in the heat.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:07:52 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe not the absolute worst but the whole thing with Oliver Cromwell's head is pretty fucked up
NikKerk ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:46:33 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not sure if this would really count, plus it's not very specific (since I didn't know any specific historical figures that died this way), but there was this one torture device which a triangular prism shaped 'log' was placed on something like 2 beams, and I think the procedure was the victim's sitting on top of the log, chains strapped around the person's ankles, while slowly dragging them towards the ground, and while person's sitting on the 'log', their balls, pelvis, and lower abdomen and other parts are completely crushed and destroyed by the impact, this is as close as I could describe this horrible way to die, which did happen in real history.
Okay, further research and history says that it was a rumor spread to posthumously depose him.
Still would be a God awful way to die though, and with medieval torture methods, it probably happened to someone at some point.
Otto Schinkel Jr. the co-owner of Anchor Steam brewery in SF died when one of the cable street cars ran him over, splitting him in two, right down the middle. It ran over his chest and crushed his head, mangling his body while his brother watched in horror.
By royal decree from his father, the king (and with permission from his mother, the queen), Prince Sado had to be executed through the means of being sealed in a large wooden chest and left out in the July heat. He eventually died after eight days.
History indicates that he was executed for killing and raping as a result of a mental illness, but some also debate that he was framed by political opponents. Whether or not he deserved it or not, that is a pretty horrible death if you ask me.
toml3030 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:16:07 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
He actually did kill a servant in a fit of rage.
Blobos ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:22:19 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
The bull was made entirely of bronze, hollow, with a door in one side.[3] The bull was in the form and size of an actual bull and had an acoustic apparatus that converted screams into the sound of a bull. The condemned were locked in the device, and a fire was set under it, heating the metal until the person inside roasted to death. (from wiki)
downvotes really? I'm an atheist myself but the Romans literally DESIGNED crucifixion to be the most painful and humiliating, to you and EVERYONE associated with you, form of execution...
jams4 ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 00:22:38 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Robert-Franรงois Damiens who attempted to kill King Louis XV of France was tortured to death. Firstly, his skin was peeled off with red hot pincers and his wounds were treated with molten lead, molten wax and oil. Horses were then tied to each limb and he was to be dismembered but they failed. So his tendons were cut and they tried again, this time succeeding. Finally, his supposedly still alive torso was burned
One way of execution, that just sounds down right awful, is trapping multiple rats against the victims body, thus making the rats eat there way out of the cage, through the flesh. That sounds terrifying.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:44:23 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
they would have to bloat you some way as i'm sure the rats would suffocate quite quickly, maybe stretch your skin over a cage or something
King Harold who he conquered was ;) Poor guy beat Harold Hardrada at one end of his kingdom, then had to march all the way down to the south to fight William, just to get an arrow in the eye.
Edward II of England. His own wife starved him for weeks in a tower, then, when he wouldn't die, inserted a funnel and shoved a red-hot poker up his butthole. Not really fun.
A guy died due to a sex contraption he made by suspending a toilet seat over a plunger using bungee cords, cords snapped and the plunger broke through his rectum, he died impaled on a plunger through his ass
lol I actually remember reading an article which is a list of the most horrible deaths reported in history. One of them was death of a prisoner by anal pain
Mujlet ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 07:27:53 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Sylvia Likens' death seems particularly horrifying.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 07:41:24 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Ew, love this question..
Delsana ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 08:12:53 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Some people were lost in space.. I believe one died in atmosphere.
Ishikawa Goemon - He was sentenced to death by being boiled alive in an iron cauldron along with his very young son, but was able to save his son by holding him above his head. His son was then forgiven.
That never happened, it was a later invention of later Icelandic poets who misinterpreted archaic metaphorical language describing Aella laying dead on the battlefield.
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qabadai ยท 1778 points ยท Posted at 04:01:03 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
"Around Christmas 2002, bartender Doyle went out drinking with pal Michael Wright and Wrightโs girlfriend. As they all walked home, Wright thought Doyle was hitting on his girlfriend, and witnesses later told cops they saw a man getting โthe sโt beat out of him.โ He was heard screaming, โNo, donโt break my legs!โ and another witness said he saw someone throw Doyle down an open manhole.
The drop was 18 feet. At the bottom was a pool of boiling ยญwater, from a broken main. Doyle didnโt die instantly โ in fact, as first responders arrived, he was standing below, reaching up and screaming for help. No paramedic or firefighter could climb down to help โ it was, a Con Ed supervisor said, 300 degrees in the steam tunnel.
When Melinek saw the body on her autopsy table, she writes, she thought heโd โbeen steamed like a lobster.โ His entire outer layer of skin had peeled off, and his internal organs were literally cooked.
He otherwise had no broken bones and no head trauma, which meant he was fully conscious as he boiled to death."
http://nypost.com/2014/08/03/a-million-ways-to-die-in-new-york-medical-examiners-days-of-gory/
Woahtheredudex ยท 171 points ยท Posted at 08:32:01 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I can't find any info on him and what happened after.
Davy04 ยท 168 points ยท Posted at 08:57:33 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I too couldn't find anything about Michael Wright. This is because she used fake names in her article.
http://www.nytimes.com/2002/12/16/nyregion/man-is-charged-with-murder-in-friend-s-fall-into-manhole.html?_r=0
http://m.nydailynews.com/archives/news/tale-death-manhole-article-1.505275
So yeap this did happen......
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:44:24 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Exactly 13 years ago...
vlasvilneous ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:48:58 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
On Friday the 13th, which was on Halloween?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:35:53 on December 16, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Damn... Almost perfect. Almost.
grandmagangbang ยท 552 points ยท Posted at 08:58:53 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I went to grade school with a Mike Wright. He pulled out his penis and showed it to me under his desk in 3rd grade. Probably not the same guy.
Slarotimov ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 11:01:35 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I guess it is not a Wise idea to call your kid Mike Wright.
MayonnaiseOreo ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 11:03:33 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Mike have to rethink whether or not it was the Wright decision to make.
ionised ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 12:45:44 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
But don't two wrongs usually make a wright? Or is that not Wright?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:01:22 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
HOLD IT!1!!1!!!!
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:22:56 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
OBJECTION!
The_SwampFox ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 11:15:46 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Just because it's Wright doesn't make it right.
LickMyLadyBalls ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 13:54:38 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Glad to see I wasn't the only one who got the ol, "look under the desk at my baby wang" trick in grade school
IapetusTheGreat ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 12:55:40 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Definitely the same guy
PM_ME_MESSY_BUNS ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:21:54 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I went to school with a dude that did that. But it was his left nut. And this was senior year of highschool
Eptar ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:53:25 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Oh
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:22:00 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
My friends dad is called Michael Wright, he plays a lot of Tiger Woods video games. Probably not the same guy.
PM_ME_CHEEKY_NANDOS ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:06:34 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
You wanna see my manhole?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:45:43 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
What's with that guy and man holes
mrtoadicant ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:53:29 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I went to school with a Mike Wright as well, he made himself sick on a duck for a laugh
frinqe ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:02:43 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
3rd graders aren't allowed to go out drinking, so it wasn't him.
whos_to_know ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:47:23 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)*
That's an intriguing story.
bassnugget ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:48:15 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Sounds like you both were great pals.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:02:21 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
... and then what happened?
grandmagangbang ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 07:02:23 on December 16, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
idk? Recess maybe?
ShameAlter ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 13:04:57 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
/r/nocontext
kid-karma ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 09:17:37 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Goes by 'Prison Mike' now
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 09:36:29 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
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Woahtheredudex ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 09:43:57 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
WHAT? HE IS A MURDERER! HE KILLED THAT MAN
VoiceOfRealson ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 11:21:53 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
You could reasonably argue that whoever left the manhole cover open (and apparently unattended) was at fault.
Woahtheredudex ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 11:27:32 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
What? How? He pushed him into the hole.
VoiceOfRealson ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 11:34:25 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Did he know that there was an open manhole there?
Did he know that there would be boiling hot water down the manhole?
The NYpost article seems to say that it could not be proven that he did.
Polish_Potato ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 13:18:25 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
He threw him in a manhole and possibly broke his legs, how the hell is he not at fault?
Baseplate ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 13:32:10 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
If it were me I would say "he fell. I didn't know there was an open hole. "
VoiceOfRealson ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:47:39 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
ONE witness said he saw a man throw Doyle down an open manhole.
How reliable is that account?
Was it night? Had the witness been drinking? Are Eye witness accounts generally very reliable?
The answers to the first 2 questions are like to be 'Yes' and the answer to the third question is definitely 'No', so with only one witness making this claim, there is really no way of should be considered a fact without a lot of other convincing evidence.
Polish_Potato ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:50:09 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Well, the man was very angry at Doyle, I wouldn't be surprised if he actually did throw him down, but I see your point.
rugtoad ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:23:28 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Eh, you could reasonably argue that the guy didn't intend to kill him, but I don't think you could reasonably argue that the guy who pushed him didn't cause his death.
Granted, I got my undergraduate in law from Professor McCoy at the University of Law & Order and my law degree from The University of Wikipedia...so wtf do I know.
VoiceOfRealson ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:46:30 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
More than one person can be at fault in a given case and more than one person can have contributed to a persons death.
If the person had tripped and fallen into the manhole without being in a fight, it seems relatively certain that the person who removed the cover might be seen as having caused his death.
But calling the case here murder without proving intent to kill (or even proving the knowledge that the action could kill) is probably a bit of a stretch.
rugtoad ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:26:38 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Sure, I'd agree that not only the guy pushing caused his death, and that it is egregiously, grossly, and probably criminally negligent to leave an exposed hole in the middle of the street, at the bottom of which is a human steam-cooker.
But, as a certified Armchair Expert and Keyboard Attorney, I'd prosecute the "friend" for some sort of negligent manslaughter crime. Somebody went through a horrific death, a family is in mourning, a person is gone who, but for the actions of the guy who pushed him, would probably still be here.
And fwiw, people die from being knocked down and hitting their head the wrong way on a curb. People die from falling into manholes that don't have torturous-death-chambers at the bottom of them. It's not going to e hard to prove that the action could kill, but I also don't think you would need to demonstrate that his friend knew it would.
Of course, with all this uneducated speculation, I'm really starting to beg being the subject of a /r/badlegaladvice post, so I should probably stop now...but yeah, the point is that the guy who pushed him definitely played a major contributing factor in the death, and should have been charged with some sort of homicide crime.
Roboticide ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 08:43:57 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Good. Maybe this never happened...?
JamieHynemanAMA ยท -10 points ยท Posted at 08:45:24 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
His GF kissed him on the cheek and pulled his cock out whilst saying "My hero!"
quillevan ยท 792 points ยท Posted at 07:35:28 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Consanguineously ยท 465 points ยท Posted at 09:56:46 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
He was just pulling a prank on his bro
TakeOffYourMask ยท 271 points ยท Posted at 10:20:06 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
*social experiment
ClutchCinnabon ยท 30 points ยท Posted at 12:19:34 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Gone wrong/Gone sexualt??!!!
whos_to_know ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 16:46:52 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
BOILING ALIVE GONE SEXUAL PRANK 2016 REAL
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:59:38 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
[IN THE HOOD]
Eagle671 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:05:41 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
2016 IN THE HOOD BOILED ALIVE SOCIAL EXPERIMENT PRANK GONE WRONG/SEXUAL REAL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Killbunny90210 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:16:43 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
GONE SEXUAAAAAAAL!
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:19:20 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
no
In10sity ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 12:30:58 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
[GONE SEXUAL]
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:21:18 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
He pleaded it was just banter
pankakemonstar ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 13:23:25 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
WOT? ITS JUST A PRANK BRO!
lemonyfresh_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:46:26 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Sam Pepper
Shwampy10 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 14:39:46 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Top 10 Pranks of 2015 Gone Wrong!!!!
ThreeThanLess ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:54:06 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
(gone sexual)
lIude ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:02:24 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not your bro, pal
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:20:35 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not your pal, homie
redraja190 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:55:37 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
It's a prank bro. Look at the camera.
AK_Happy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:08:55 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Ugh. So sick of this comment.
Consanguineously ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:54:31 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
It's gonna be a tough semester, Broseph Brahlin. Maymays are made to be beaten.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:47:07 on December 16, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
'ITS JUST A PRANK!"
Satans__Secretary ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 08:02:48 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Alcohol is one fucked-up drug.
Though it sounds like the guy had issues already.
xDwayne ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:00:14 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Bro it's just a prank, chill...
SanshaXII ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 10:44:24 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
HeraldofUnicron ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 08:42:28 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Is it NORMAL for the sewers below us to be scalding hot?
terrask ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 09:23:56 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York_City_steam_system
Lots of places in the world use district heating systems.
Cub3h ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 14:51:37 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
TIL.
I've been watching Seinfeld lately and wondered what the deal was with all this weird steam coming out of the sidewalks. (whaaat's the deal with these sidewalks?!)
Onionsteak ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:09:32 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Have you never seen cities with steam pouring out of sewer manholes or vents? I didn't expect that it was boiling hot water down there at first but I figured that it must be more than warm at least.
ZombieJack ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:50:51 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Not the person you're replying to but only on TV shows set in New York.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:02:07 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
IForgotWhoIAm ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 08:22:21 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Nobody in the fire truck had a rope?
grandmagangbang ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 08:59:48 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
too hot for ropes too
monkeiboi ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:27:54 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
He wouldn't have been able to hold onto it.
IForgotWhoIAm ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 12:37:40 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Even with no broken bones and fully conscious? What if they rigged up a loop at the end that he kind of sat in? Somebody else said it would too hot for a rope, but if it were done quick enough could it be a possibility?
monkeiboi ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 14:58:08 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Imagine sticking your hand in a pot of boiling water, just for a second, and taking it out. We've all experienced spilling boiling or scalding water on ourselves. Imagine how your body reacted, to instinctively jerk your hand back from the pain, the stinging, burning sensation spilling into your hand, making it feel like your skin is screaming at you.
Now imagine that it's twice as hot as that. And instead of your hand going through that mind buzzing pain, imagine your entire body...at once....and it doesn't end, imagine bathing in a pot of boiling water...and staying in. Me trying to describe the pain here would be insulting, at best, but it would be akin to a burning fiery death.
At 10 seconds in the steam tunnel, your body is just starting to really reel from the explosion of pain receptors all at once. You don't feel the entirety of the pain yet, but your brain is just starting to process all the signals. It KNOWS it's going to hurt, a lot worse, very quickly. Your skin is immediately reacting, you probably have 1st degree burns to 40% of your body, every bit of exposed flesh. Your eyes and lips feel funny, being mucous membranes, they take an extra second or two to heat up to the point your skin does.
At twenty seconds in you are well and truly fucked. Your brain is slammed with a million million pain receptor signals as your largest organ cries out in agony. You take in a heaping gulp of scalding air again, and scream for the fourth time. Your eyes, now steam burned, are permanent ruined, but that is inconsequential as your eyelids have already swollen shut. Fully 90% of your body is suffering the effects of first degree burns, only your crotch , covered in the thickest fabric is currently spared. Your lips and mouth are now also burned. Your brain is in full overdrive now, dumping adrenaline and dopamine into your system trying to shut down the flood of pain receptors firing off. If the heat was suddenly and immediately turned off at thirty seconds, provided you got rapid medical care...you would probably live...albeit deformed and most likely blind, downing pain pills for the remainder of your life just to cope.
At 60 seconds in...you are already dead. Now 100% of your body is burnt, with 1st degree rapidly shifting to 2nd degree. Your mucous membranes in your mouth and throat are now inflamed and blistering. UNLuckily for you, your esophagus is doing a bang up job at cooling the scalding air before it reaches your lungs...mostly. Your still suffering lung damage, just relatively slowly. At 150bpm, your heart is furiously pumping oxygenated blood to your brain and major muscle groups, more than enough to make up for the reduction in efficiency from your damaged lung tissue. Your mental functioning is somewhere between a rabid animal and a monkey fucking right now. On the plus side! The pain blocking chemicals your brainstem and glands are dumping are in full swing right now. This is probably the best you are going to feel for the remainder of your life. It still "hurts", but it's like displaced pain. Just...just awful...but awful slightly to the left of your body.
At 5-10 minutes in, (the average emergency reponse time for calling 911), your upper layers of skin are dead. Literally cooked. Only down in the subcutaneous fat layers can you find still living tissue, but that's going quick. Your core body temperature is starting to peak out at the upper range where your organs will still function, and some closer to the surface, like your intestines, are already past that point, themselves already dead and going into the temperature range for a slow simmer. Your at about 50% lung capacity and fading fast, your trachea and esophogus, not geared for dealing with burning injuries, are blistered and weeping blood into your lungs and stomach. This helps absorb some of the heat, keeping you breathing for longer. Your major muscle groups, being thickly corded flesh, are just starting to die off on the exterior, but they still work. You can stand, walk, maybe push a little bit, but your hands are almost cooked through. They are pretty much just softly boiled chicken wings that attach to your forearm muscles. At this point the dopamine and adrenaline is starting to wear off, but the majority of your skin pain receptors are long dead. Instead of the burning, overwhelming pain, your body starts to feel like you are being smashed by a bus. Your skin, tightened and cooking, is compressing your organs and lungs. The pain now feels like a deep ache all over, a dying ache. Nothing can encompass how little functioning and awareness you have left, Other than stand, and scream, and hurt. You're body isn't capable of anything else.
Now imagine you're a firefighter just arriving on scene eleven minutes in. You look down into the steam tunnel, and see a figure in the murky, hot air below. His skin is bright red, with splotches of white showing. He can't see, he's screaming barely intelligibly for help. You tell him to reach up, but he doesn't hear you, or can't understand you, or physically can't move his arms from being clutched to his chest. The steam feels hot looking over the hole, but you reach down anyway... and you jerk your hand back away instinctively, the stinging, burning sensation from the steam burn flooding into your hand...
IForgotWhoIAm ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 14:59:31 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I suppose that would kind of suck.
InspirationMinuit ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 15:07:25 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Have you considered writing horror stories?
monkeiboi ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:19:27 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I do!
/u/creepymonkeiboi
InspirationMinuit ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:03:12 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Awesome!
Creabhain ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 12:10:57 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
His fears about having broken legs never came to pass. "Don't boil me bro!" might have been a better plea. Poor bastard.
derpmcgurt ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 09:56:21 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Jesus Christ. This about when just a little bit of boiling water bounces out and hits your finger, but everywhere continuously.
belloch ยท 23 points ยท Posted at 08:19:24 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
But did she write what they tasted like?
[deleted] ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 14:14:33 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Extended account from the source
When Melinek saw the body on her autopsy table, she writes, she thought heโd โbeen steamed like a lobster. His skin could be peeled off. The meat was tender and juicy, with a light seasoning and some garlic butter sauce he tasted absolutely delightful with a side of steamed vegetables and some roasted potatos. We saved left overs to use in a curry the next day, and and even gave the cat some of the nicer meat, there was just so much to go around. His organs had been thoroughly cooked so we saved those bits for the dogs. All in all it was lovely Christmas dinnerโ
belloch ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:25:54 on December 16, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Oh dog you monster.
BlackfishBlues ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 09:13:25 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
How do you think she came to the conclusion that his internal organs were cooked?
reincarN8ed ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:39:33 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Needs more butter.
nnaarr ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:34:42 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
a lot less like lobster.
ApertureLabia ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 08:32:57 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Yeesh
nickyardo ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 08:41:14 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
How long was it before he died? I hope it was quick
Monkeys_R_Scary ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 08:02:44 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I ate some boiled sausages tonight, I'm gonna throw up
Thrader ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 10:27:19 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 16:32:29 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)*
...
scabdog ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 08:39:03 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I'm going to try and find that book on kindle
MrDelirious ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 10:13:00 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
On the other hand, they didn't break his legs after all.
shovelkun ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:18:04 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Why am I reading this thread...;w;
DraketheDrakeist ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:16:51 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
That's a bit harsh, even for
cheatingmass genocide.potatoe_princess ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:29:18 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Why am i even reading this over lunch?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:34:01 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
They couldn't throw a fucking rope down or something? Also why was a manhole just sitting there uncovered? Especially one covering what is essentially an oven?
pandemonium91 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:04:24 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
IDK, it's unfortunately not uncommon for authorities to leave roads full of holes and with missing manhole covers. Also, if his skin was literally melting off, I doubt he could hold on to the rope (or maybe have the quick thinking to tie it around him).
What a horrible way to die.
karadan100 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:45:18 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
A guy jumped into a hot spring to save his dog who'd just jumped in. This was in boiling water. People nearby told him not to try but he ignored them. He died shortly after. :(
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:58:08 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
honestly, in a situation like that, would a police officer be within legal right to shoot someone?
I know they can do it for animals that were hit in roadside accidents, but would an officer of the law be able to put a fellow human being out of misery?
Can you imagine the hopelessness of realizing that although the paramedics/rescue personnel can hear you and see you, they still can't help you? reminds me of this:
http://www.deseretnews.com/article/705347362/Man-trapped-in-Utah-Countys-Nutty-Putty-cave-dies.html?pg=all
sparta981 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:09:01 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Why did they even need an autopsy? Under cause of death you could just write in "Are you fucking kidding?"
OhHowDroll ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:14:52 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
They couldn't give the guy a fucking rope to grab on to!?
SilverbackRekt ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:51:33 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
In yet we do the same thing to lobsters.
tried_it_liked_it ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:20:09 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Reminds me of "Hot Potting" from Haunted by Chuck Palahniuk.
Notrealbutter ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:17:40 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Holy shit, I think one of my professors worked on this case. He was a detective for a while, before joining the medical examiners office as a Reconstruction Specialist (iirc). When we asked what were the worst cases he worked, he replied with this case, and the case of an orthodox Jewish man who cross-dressed and had sex with men in his spare time, who had beaten and killed his landlord (I think) and started doing things to the body.
Evidently, a chunk of flesh was found smashed against the wall in the bathroom, and was determined to be a testicle. He really didn't go into much depth on it, but said that this case really freaked him out fora while. One of those "these people have their own lives" moments.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:19:03 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
All the more horrifying we cook LIVING creatures this way. Revolting
DopeTrack_Pirate ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:12:11 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I would have taken broken legs over boiling...
hindsight right
CSpills ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:22:34 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I need pics of that.
Gromby ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:35:06 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
holy fuck....
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:41:34 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Any info on what happened to Wright? Can't find anything on it.
qabadai ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:44:03 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
He was charged with 2nd degree murder, not sure what happened after. Article didn't use their real names. http://www.nytimes.com/2002/12/16/nyregion/man-is-charged-with-murder-in-friend-s-fall-into-manhole.html?_r=0
troyareyes ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:00:39 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Boiling is a fucked up way to die. There's no blood loss or bain damage to take you out fast, its just pain. Every single nerve on and under your skin screaming until your brain shuts down due to shock.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:08:25 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Wut.
CondescendinGump ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:42:18 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Just a joke bro
UdzinRaski ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:22:44 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Jesus fuck, a bud drunkenly hits on your girl and you break his legs and drop him down a manhole. Alpha as fuck and not in a good way.
KittyGraffiti ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:17:52 on December 16, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Okay, surely, surely firefighters could have helped. Real fires are much hotter than 300 degrees.
[deleted] ยท -6 points ยท Posted at 08:43:25 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)*
someone shouldve threw some onions and carrots in the manhole
edit: come on guys it was a good jk please dont down vote me at least give a pity laugh
jayums ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 09:00:20 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Ha. Now go think about how disgusting that was.
benisgwen ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 10:17:29 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I love the way this guy is like "please dont down vote me" as if that's the worst thing that could happen in the world, even worse than boiling to death.
The_Reddit_Polizei ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:53:34 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I downvoted you for lack of potatoes.
PapaFern ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 08:54:33 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
He didn't run/move further down the tunnel away from the steam?
Polish_Potato ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 13:20:32 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
He fell 18 feet, you think he's gonna easily be able to walk?
PapaFern ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:41:40 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
The op also states he was standing. If you're able to stand, you're able to walk/limp/hobble/hop. It's a bit nonsensical to just stand there in something that's killing you.
KeepOnTrippinOn ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:47:50 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
im pretty sure if you had just fallen 18 feet and were stuck in 300 degree water/steam then you might just try and scream for help up where you just fell in from rather than go wandering off down some dark sewer.
PapaFern ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:54:46 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Wander into some dark safer part of the sewer > boil to death waiting on help that can't be delivered.
You've then got to think how long was he standing in the steam, why didn't he try get out of it? People would have came looking for him anyway, so it makes no sense to kill yourself waiting in a danger zone.
KeepOnTrippinOn ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:02:00 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
its probably pitch black apart from whatever lights coming in from where he fell, so in all his pain and confusion thats where he is going to stay and try and get help from. whos to say there was any place he could stand to get out of the water?
PapaFern ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:10:38 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Because pipes doing phase through walls. There would be tunnels going in both directions, and depending on how badly the pipe was broken and where the steam would not be as dangerous. Another option would be to sit, as steam rises.
Polish_Potato ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:48:58 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
He could've gotten stuck, but that's true.
jams4 ยท 2013 points ยท Posted at 00:19:02 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Robert- Francois Damiens who attempted to assasinate King Louis XV. He failed and was subsequently tortured. His skin was peeled off by red hot pincers, the hand that tried to kill Louis was burned with sulpher, his wounds were treated with molten wax, oil and lead. Then his limbs were to be ripped off his body by horses but this failed. His tendons were cut, and the horses tried again and succeeded. Then, supposedly, his still live torso was burned at the stake.
jberd45 ยท 683 points ยท Posted at 03:56:37 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
That reminds me of the execution of the anabaptists of Muenster in 1536. John of Leiden, Bernhard Knipperdolling and Brernard Kretchting were tied to a pole in the city square of Muenster by iron collars around their necks; then each conspirator was in turn peeled to death for one hour each in accordance with Westphalian law.
fisdara ยท 149 points ยท Posted at 06:03:01 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
And they had to be conscious for the timer to count down. Any time they passed out, the torture was paused until they regained consciousness.
[deleted] ยท 25 points ยท Posted at 15:48:02 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
That is similarly the reason "until dead" is added to the end of a hanging sentence. You otherwise would be hung by the neck for around 10 seconds or so (forget the number, though that may have been set by the judge as well), basically giving you the chance to either live or die depending on the injuries during the hanging process. Those that lived got that nice hangman's scar around their neck.
"Hung by the neck until dead" meant pretty much that. No chance of living.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 20:04:51 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
TIL humans used to view Saw in public forums.
ultrachilled ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:50:44 on December 16, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
You should check the story of Maggie Dickson.
ferretmonkey ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 15:10:39 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
And this was done agyain and agyain.
HeWhoFearsNoSpider ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:37:49 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I too listen to hardcore history.
computer_d ยท 136 points ยท Posted at 06:25:29 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Well, if it's the law...
octopoddle ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 07:11:55 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
It's a fair cop, guv.
[deleted] ยท 255 points ยท Posted at 06:27:21 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)*
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glorkcakes ยท 83 points ยท Posted at 07:16:40 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Great podcast, could listen to it ageen and ageen.
GeoDemo ยท 32 points ยท Posted at 07:49:15 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
And ageen
dvallej ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 13:47:44 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
end quote
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:11:04 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
And ageen
fuckitimatwork ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:32:28 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
can't not hear it
the-pants-party ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 07:58:27 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
AND I QUOTE
TippersMcTippington ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 11:58:03 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Litterally re listening to that now. Love that guy.
realfuzzhead ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 11:41:01 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
NOT A HISTORIAN, JUST A FAN OF HISTORY
dvallej ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 13:47:04 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
IMHO is the best stand alone show of dan carlin
RadicalPirate ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:15:40 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I totally dig the way he does a long series of historical stuff, but I gotta say, I love his one offs, like this one.
guitar_vigilante ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:59:15 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I like his show Logical Insanity the most as far as his one offs go.
theultimatehero2 ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 06:57:14 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
So weird seeing those names in type.
DeathStarJedi ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:17:24 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah...that shit gave me chills. Love me some Dan Carlin
melancholalia ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:16:38 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
that was my first thought too! that whole (four episode i think?) story is incredible.
LetsGetWeird- ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 12:40:13 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Pretty sure that was a one-off, wasn't it?
passwordisaardvark ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:15:40 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Can confirm: Am listening to single episode now.
melancholalia ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:30:12 on December 16, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
holy shit, was it one episode? felt like more! damn.
karpfenfresse ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 10:18:10 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Then they were put in iron cages and put on display at the church tower. Those original cages are still there..
uxorioushubby ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:41:53 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
There's a really good hardcore history podcast about that while incident!
natmccoy ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 07:25:41 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Man, you can't just say that and not post a link.
Reddit other redditors the way you want to be reddited.
ColonCaretCloseParen ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 07:45:44 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Here you go bby. It's even a free one too http://www.dancarlin.com/product/hardcore-history-48-prophets-of-doom/
natmccoy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:28:27 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Hey thanks! I didn't realize the podcast was actually called "hardcore history" or I may have just googled it myself.
ColonCaretCloseParen ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:08:56 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
That whole series is great by the way. It has exploded in popularity semi-recently so it's impossible to see any post on Reddit about the World Wars, the Mongols, or the Roman Republic without half the comments being directly lifted from HH, but it's for good reason. The podcast is just fabulously well done.
natmccoy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:01:56 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
This guy is remarkable! He prefaces this one by warning listeners that there isn't much information available about the topic & that he shouldn't have chosen it, then he proceeds to talk without pause for 4.5 hours.
riptaway ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:04:18 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
A naked man has few secrets; a flayed man has none
Scorpiotic ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:40:15 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Hey there, I am from Mรผnster!
You forgot to tell them about the cages their dead bodies were put in after the execution.
Those cages are still hanging at the Lamberti church in Mรผnster downtown. Pretty horrifying to think about being executed this way, with your dead remains presented to the public.
rugtoad ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:28:48 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I think it's kind of important to include the detail that those bodies were kept in those cages for 5 decades...
PotatoeCrusoe ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:08:13 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Ah, the good old days of Westphalia, where the men were men, the women were women, and the conspirators were scarce.
poltergoose420 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:25:32 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
What's peeling?
DeathStarJedi ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:25:44 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
glowing hot tongs were used to rip the skin from his body, starting from his armpit. When it touches the skin, it erupts into flame. When the skin is all gone, they rip out tendons and ligaments... holy hell...
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:09:47 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Someone has been listening to Hardcore History...
TheSneakyBaldGuy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:07:32 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I sure hope Ramsay gets what's coming to him
chubba_the_hutt ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:18:38 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Listened to this and his Blueprint for Armageddon series while doing manual labour, such a good way to learn history and an amazing storyteller to listen to.
BillygotTalent ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:20:28 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Is that where the german word "leiden"(suffering) comes from?
vindolin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:25:48 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, before that, we knew something wasn't right but we had no words to express it.
nutlessmonkey696969 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:00:07 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
As is tradition
Atheist101 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:14:41 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Funny how we think about Westphalia in terms of it creating the idea of state sovereignty but not about how they used to torture people :D
JimmyBaloo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:14:01 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Is that the Dutch spelling of Mรผnster?
jberd45 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:50:07 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I didn't know how to get an umlaut to type in.
DopeTrack_Pirate ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:14:03 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I would want to go first, I think being second would be more scary
jberd45 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:49:22 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Hence they were tied to same pole. One of the guys was so terrified he tried to strangle himself by the iron collar around his neck, but the executioners tied him in a way that made such a thing impossible.
Scipio229 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:12:41 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
They were peeled ageeen and ageen.
beakalator ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:24:00 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
In Westphalian I was born and raised...
dalenacio ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:18:52 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
After learning what those guys did, I can't say I feel much sympathy for them.
BillNyeForPrez ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:02:59 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Upvote for listening to Dan Carlin's Hardcore History.
PM_ME_YOUR_REFUGEES ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:27:56 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Jesus Christ. They give ISIS a run for their money in terms of brutality...
Mackowatosc ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:44:33 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
thats good christians for you :>
[deleted] ยท 321 points ยท Posted at 06:37:34 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
He'll think twice before assassinating any more kings, that's for sure.
PM_Me_OK ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 07:18:33 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Well, anyone else will.
G_Morgan ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:52:54 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
This is why nobody killed Louis XVI.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:54:23 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
They learned that next time it had better be done in greater numbers.
COCK_MURDER ยท -16 points ยท Posted at 07:54:29 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Haha yeah cuz they know that if they even try it, we'll throw a small child in a boiling pot and pound his loosened anus like a dead whore on a Bangkok park bench!
arsefag ยท 24 points ยท Posted at 10:35:27 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Ok sir. I think it's time we escorted you out of this thread.
Paultiguna ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 09:36:08 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
haha, yea....
MangaMaven ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:19:51 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Even if you succeed there will most likely be people hunting you down to do this to you. I don't think I'd try to kill the king without a quick suicide plan.
bassnugget ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 17:41:55 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Hope he at least gets another chance one day.
Gomulkaaa ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 04:22:45 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
When I read Michel foucault's account of that back in college, that shit scarred me for life
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 07:21:26 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
How'd it read?
mbingham666 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 07:24:15 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Not unlike 'fifty shades of grey'...with less weiners
Slobotic ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 06:35:10 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
First chapter of Discipline and Punish is all about this.
BitchinTechnology ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 07:29:18 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Ok well that is officially the worse way to go.
TheBeatt ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 08:07:57 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Well damn
Magnon ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 08:21:36 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
That's very, very brutal, but at the same time, that guy was one tough motherfucker to kill.
TheHornyToothbrush ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 10:02:47 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Why did people do this?
botibalint ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 10:08:19 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
To make an example out of him. To make sure nobody ever attempts assassinating the king again.
fuckingriot ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:19:51 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Read "Discipline and Punish" by Michel Foucault
zenatintin ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 09:06:59 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
If this tickled your fancy, check out Michel Foucault's retelling of this event, and others, in his book 'Discipline and Punish'!
LizzyKitten ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 09:27:13 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
At what point does the human body go into a permanent state of shock and just leave you in a comatose, still alive but unable to feel the pain?
mrgoodnoodles ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 07:16:47 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I first read about this in a Foucault book. He starts off the book basically detailing this whole execution. I think it was "Discipline and Punish."
TheHornyToothbrush ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 10:05:25 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
How could he write a book about his execution?
sexwound ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:48:32 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
wew
bobers654 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:31:08 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
How did the horses thing fail?
twenty_seven_owls ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:16:24 on December 16, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Human body is surprisingly tough. Tendons are at least twice as durable as muscles, and it's quite hard to pull them apart without twisting.
Mareppe ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:18:22 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Sounds like something a certain Ramsay would enjoy...
infernal_llamas ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:31:07 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I'm fairly sure you can't live after loosing your legs and arms like that, blood loss or shock would kill you very fast.
coldmtndew ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:41:07 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
TIL you can survive flaying
Nirvana985 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:27:14 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Have you studied Foucault by any chance? I remember him using this as an example at the beginning of Discipline and Punish.
purpleefilthh ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:35:38 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Just bite off your tongue goddamn it.
livingthepuglife ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:58:59 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
So, basically 50 Shades of Grey?
Or at least what I would imagine what the book was about after hearing some people loosely talk about the plot.
GaryReasons ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:46:26 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I came to post this. It's one of the most awful things I had ever read.
Jablon15 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:00:28 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Those were some messed up times. I'll never forget a trip I took to a museum, forget which one, that had a whole section of torture devices from the Middle Ages. Really fucked up ways to die, if you were lucky enough to die.
Glebeserker ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:33:52 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Reminds me of execution during Catherines reign in russia. The rebel pugachev was captured and then pulled in four directions by horses.
killingit12 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:59:18 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Is it possible he was really still alive after all that? Surely the body would have shut down by then? Would he still have been conscious during this?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:21:17 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Human beings disgust me
I wouldn't wish that on Hitler or Stalin for Christ's sake
MissLizabeth ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:39:19 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
It never ceases to amaze me how creative humans can be with torturing one another.
recoverybelow ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:21:24 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
You win
leyebrow ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:24:35 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
There's no way you'd survive in ancient times having your limbs pulled off. The blood loss would definitely kill you very quickly.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:03:30 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
and people say humanity hasn't progress over the years
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:07:06 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Funny enough, the guy that killed William the Silent, Balthasar Gerard suffered a similar fate.
Fun fact: this is widely believed to be the first assassination with a firearm.
MissMarionette ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:36:11 on December 16, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
No joke, someone made a manga called Innocent by Sakamoto Shinichi about the life of the Royal Executioner that lived around that time and that very execution was featured. The whole manga is beautifully drawn and absolutely horrible.
plsrekt ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:48:35 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
What movie is this from??
Woahtheredudex ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 07:51:21 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Real life
FedoraFerret ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 08:18:13 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
The book was better.
RogueRaven17 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 07:20:02 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Sic semper proditores
olidoli ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 10:16:53 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
How is that even possible? Wouldn't the skin melt? I'm questioning the validity of this story.
tijuanagolds ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:15:31 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Skin doesn't melt, it chars; and since it tears, you can easily peel it off. I imagine i'd be like peeling off a ribbon of bacon from a slab.
olidoli ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 16:49:45 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Bro, tell that to that burn victim girl with a melted face.
Fuck_Passwords_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:40:14 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
That's scar tissue, not burn wounds.
olidoli ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 18:44:37 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Bro, tell that to those women with melted faces that were the result of acid attacks.
The-SpaceGuy ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 14:16:56 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
If Redditors were there then, they would have said "What a time to be alive"
fatties_fatties ยท 181 points ยท Posted at 06:17:10 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
The Death of Action Jackson (William Jackson)
Jackson was impaled through his rectum with a meat hook, hanging a foot in the air, while being questioned by mob enforcers. Jackson kept insisting he was not an informer but his torturers did not believe him.
They stripped him naked, smashed his kneecaps with a bat, one of them shot him with a gun, broke his ribs, stuck him with sharp objects, used a cattle prod on his penis and anus making him lose his bowels, burned parts of his body with a blow torch, and told him how they were going to kill his wife and children if he did not confess. Then they left him for three days until he finally succumbed to his wounds.
CuteCatGirl_ ยท 25 points ยท Posted at 09:19:33 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
How can people even commit these attrocities?
BelieveInThePeeko ยท 32 points ยท Posted at 13:05:23 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
i dont know but it hurts to just be on this thread
Nice_Try_Man ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 02:04:52 on December 16, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Try reading while pooping and getting to this meat hook one. My starfish has retracted into me. I will not poop now
popemichael ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 18:43:41 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I watched a documentary the other day that interviewed a mob hitman. What it pretty much boiled down to is this:
"It's just business. Its nothing personal."
I recommend watching Cocaine Cowboys (reloaded) and Cocaine Cowboys II if you like documentaries
KingJak117 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:26:26 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Ask Trevor Phillips
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:44:09 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I was going to say, I'm pretty sure I remember this from GTA V...
Topm3m3 ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 18:05:51 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Was he an informant?
krabstarr ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:41:37 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
We'll never know now that they kill him.
Drmalady ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 08:41:07 on December 16, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
He'll never tell. Action Jackson ain't no fuckin snitch.
Slarotimov ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 11:15:42 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Au.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:56:36 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Reddit gold.
RdDrtCoozie ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 14:22:06 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
oh gawd, that's my son's first and middle name. I swear we googled it before we named him and this never came up. I hope by the time he finds out about this person's death he is well mature enough to deal with it and know he wasn't named after him.
[deleted] ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 16:33:38 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
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c4p1t4l ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 18:34:20 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Make sure he never takes up painting...
Apocolypse007 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 18:35:49 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
You named your kid Action Jackson? That's pretty cool actually.
RdDrtCoozie ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:50:17 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
well... not technically. His name is William Jackson, although my mom does call him Action Jackson as a nickname.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:45:02 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
At least you didn't name him Joel Rifkin
rallets ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:13:37 on December 16, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
the serial killer?
Angercrank ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:14:52 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
A friend named her kid Phoenix Marie. Hopefully by the time the kid is old enough to use a computer she won't be as well known.
howiswhen ยท 1550 points ยท Posted at 01:53:15 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)*
Bathasar Gรฉrad, a 16th century assassin:
TL;DR: Man given new shoes, liquor and bacon; remains calm.
EngineRoom23 ยท 351 points ยท Posted at 06:36:38 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Remained calm....WHAT. Like, calm as compared to other torture victims, or saintly beatific calm with the absolute minimum of fucks given? And those tortures...Must've been a Gary Larson scene, three dudes in a room spit balling the most atrocious ideas possible.
[deleted] ยท 348 points ยท Posted at 10:31:09 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Went into shock, maybe.
I just liked that "repeatedly mocked" was in there. Like he was being covered in boiling fat, having his nails ripped off, having limbs crushed, being skinned, but what really hurt was that guy calling him a loser.
EnkoNeko ยท 100 points ยท Posted at 11:11:14 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
"Sticks and stones may break my bones, but names will never hurt me."
I have been lied to.
coffee_meow ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:09:56 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
You have been hurt, /u/EnkoNeko
cattaclysmic ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:40:30 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Well maybe he died during the very first part of the torture and they just didn't notice...
Count_Long_Dong ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:21:05 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
The scene I'm imagining is severely cracking me up in the waiting room of the Ford dealership. You got this poor bastard being fucked in ways not even Satan could conceive and some asshat walks by and is like, "Wow what a loser."
Kwijibo2004 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:26:01 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
"I cut off his fingers to get him to talk, and when he'd confessed everything I wanted to hear, I had his fucking tongue cut out, and the stump cauterized."
Everyone in the room stared at him.
"I called him an asshole, too," said Locke. "He didn't like that.
Scott Lynch,ย The Lies of Locke Lamora (Gentleman Bastard, #1)
purpleefilthh ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:38:30 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Nah - I bet the goat disappointed him.
apocalypse31 ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 13:34:23 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
triggered
Satans__Secretary ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 08:04:32 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe he was spawned with some genetic disorder where he couldn't feel pain?
zue3 ยท 31 points ยท Posted at 08:14:49 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Or he was incredibly disciplined mentally.
Satans__Secretary ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 08:58:15 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
That, too. Reminds me of Monks who meditate while being on fire.
TheHornyToothbrush ยท 43 points ยท Posted at 10:10:10 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
FTFY
exzeroex ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:58:59 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
So listening to your mixtape would be torture...?
Satans__Secretary ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 11:33:54 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
No... just no.
BelieveInThePeeko ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:54:53 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
the blood of an assassin
DopeTrack_Pirate ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:17:03 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Calm like "pardon me, do you have any grey poupon ?"
thehenkrecords ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:08:05 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
there is some kind of disease where you can't feel pain, maybe he had that?
roadkilled_skunk ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 09:14:20 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Like a boss.
Dashboardforfire ยท 411 points ยท Posted at 06:39:37 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Lmao best tl;dr i've read in a while.
germanyjr112 ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 07:22:12 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
This TL;DR will go down in the history books.
orchlon ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:21:43 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
tl;drs are supposed to be an actual summary of the comment instead of an opportunity for just a joke, but yeah it was pretty good.
AK_Happy ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 17:07:58 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Am I the only one who thinks humorous tl;dr's are annoying? Completely defeats the purpose. Not that I didn't read the whole thing.
BigFatNo ยท 138 points ยท Posted at 08:26:30 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
You failed to mention why exactly he was tortured like this: he assassinated William of Orange, founding father of the Netherlands and one of the most prominent figures in the rebellion against Spain.
Gรฉrard was a staunch catholic and very angry at Willem van Oranje. When Filips II, then the king of Spain, declared Willem an outlaw, Gรฉrard decided to kill him.
Nihht ยท 35 points ยท Posted at 09:02:05 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
With a pistol, no less. In 1584. Pretty cool.
Nautster ยท 124 points ยท Posted at 06:22:08 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
That's what you get for killing Prince William of Orange, the founder and hope of the nation.
Narwheagle ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 10:10:46 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
And champion of upvotes, to boot!
EnkoNeko ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 11:15:25 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
"I swear I'm not Orange! ZERO!!!"
I'm sorry, I can't help it
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 10:43:02 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Death to the orange dinasty !
FREE BELGIUM
Nautster ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 10:49:33 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
And look what you have done with your freedom...give it 50 years and Belgium will be torn down and sold for parts!
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:13:04 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
We nยฐ1 in soccer i'd say we're doing pretty well.
Concerning the rest well... It's a long and complex story
Nautster ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:45:27 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah that's impressive. 10 years ago if you'd said that they would put you in a straight jacket! Hope you guys kick ass!
The_wolf2014 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:24:56 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
What nation are we referring to here as I'm sure there are a lot of people who would disagree with that.
[deleted] ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 11:54:54 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
The Netherlands
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:58:03 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I think you're confusing him with his grandson.
The_wolf2014 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:05:51 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Ah I believe I am. Apologies.
Nautster ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:50:55 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Nah, he died in exile of typhoid.. He was the son of William III.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:28:47 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Okay, well u/The_wolf2014 is confusing William I with William III, i just assumed William III was William I's grandson.
NiobiumGoat ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 06:59:01 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah I wouldn't lick that honey either.
[deleted] ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 10:31:03 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I'd love to see the reaction of whoever thought up this new and inventive method of torture, only to have it all ruined by a stubborn goat. Now you're stuck with a prisoner coated in honey for no reason, and no way to justify it that doesn't make you look like an idiot.
Lillynorth ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:10:42 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I am kind of horrified at myself that I was thinking about this too - of all the things to ponder in that story, all I could think was "all honeyed up with no place to go." I hope this is just my brain refusing delivery on this horror story and not an indicator of depravity.
I have this feeling that the goat was turned into Shish-kabobs. Or the Dutch equivalent.
Keijeman ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 08:24:34 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
This happened in my hometown. You can still visit the original torture chamber, in the city hall, for free. After Gรฉrard was executed, his head and limbs were cut off, and each was hanged on one gate
fxgod ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:13:59 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Can I have sex with him for free too?
mr_popcorn ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 10:33:02 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
10/10
Mikelan ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 10:13:47 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I'm Dutch and I never heard this part of the story in school, damn. Not even a bowdlerised 'he was tortured and killed'.
FromRSD ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:43:25 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Then you probably didn't pay attention.
Mikelan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:52:36 on December 16, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I umm... Okay? I'm sorry you feel that way? Honestly not sure how you expect me to respond to this.
FromRSD ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:17:44 on December 16, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
My reply has nothing to do with how I feel.. I just heard a lot about this topic on school but that's probably because I pay attention.
[deleted] ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 08:02:34 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I like the idea of trying to rip a heart out of a living person and throw it into their face before they died
Seifty ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:33:02 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Some Mortal Kombat shit right there.
Pishwi ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 10:21:49 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
When goats have more humanity than people
Deroni76 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 07:19:40 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Ezio would be pissed if he found out.
BadWolfCubed ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 07:35:54 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Metric pounds?
nixielover ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:03:29 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
500 gram is a pound
kushweaver ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 08:03:35 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
compassionate goat #1
prettyinsoulpunk ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 09:48:38 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
gg goat
askmeaboutmydiabetes ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:30:24 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
What the fuck
KHZ4 ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 15:31:52 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Wait, that's what bothered you about this story?
livingthepuglife ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:02:21 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
And the Lord spake, saying, "First shalt thou take out the Holy Pin[cers].
Then shalt thou count to six, no more, no less.
Six shall be the number thou shalt count, and the number of the counting shall be Six.
Four shalt thou not count, neither count thou two, excepting that thou then proceed to Six.
Five is right out. Once the number Six, being the sixth number, be reached..."
goddessofentropy ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:18:18 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
What the hell is a metric pound?
Nihht ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:06:57 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
jesus christ
in particular
and the entire last paragraph
grandmagangbang ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 09:09:06 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
the branding of his armpits is what got me
egyptor ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:31:10 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Damn man, ISIS pales in comparison to this
BigFatNo ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:17:08 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Everyone is still human in the end. Be it beheading people for religion or torturing a guy for revenge, it's all part of being human.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:52:48 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
This is some disgusting shit to do for a "normal" society to conjure up.
recoverybelow ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:26:57 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Wat
SemiColonInfection ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:23:32 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Those savages...
THUMB5UP ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:45:09 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Jesus. This wins, hands down.
frenchmeister ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:27:36 on December 16, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
The "shoes of dog skin" method is a new one to me. I had no idea un-cured leather shrunk that much or with enough strength to crush your feet. Why dog skin though I wonder? I mean who even came up with some of these torture ideas? The goat one was obviously them just trying something new since it completely failed.
baconandeggsandbacon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:53:05 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I'll say this, they were certainly inventive in their methods of torture. And we go crazy over a little water boarding these days, sheesh.
Bulbasaurlikesbacon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:36:30 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I'm Dutch and at our schools they only teach us the part where he kills Willem van Oranje, but not this story. Motherfucker deserved it though
patentologist ยท -9 points ยท Posted at 07:37:27 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
And the metricloons make fun of America for remaining on Imperial measurements. . . . TIL half a kilogram is a "metric pound".
nixielover ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 09:05:50 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
pound is an informal way of saying half a kilogram, but it is not used that often
patentologist ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 09:38:24 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
You're just imitating the superior system!
Birdie_Num_Num ยท 1891 points ยท Posted at 23:04:30 on December 14, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
The guy who got trapped head first whilst potholing in the nutty putty caves in Utah. Despite frantic attempts to reach him the rescuers eventually concluded that it would be too dangerous to attempt to retrieve his body. His family and the landowner came to an agreement that the cave should be permanently closed with the body sealed inside.
christenlanger ยท 524 points ยท Posted at 01:25:26 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
It was tragic as there was a moment that he was almost saved but fell in again.
Silent_Talker ยท 327 points ยท Posted at 01:49:21 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, they pulled him up and then just left him hanging above/in the hole while they celebrated and prayed FOR HOURS. Eventually the rigging they used to pull him up broke off the wall (I guess no one bothered to stop eating pizza long enough to make sure it was secured to the wall?).
Beautifly ยท 271 points ยท Posted at 02:14:18 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I don't get it, why did they leave him hanging?
creepy_doll ยท 43 points ยท Posted at 08:18:43 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
A few workers were likely working on pulling him out while others were acting relieved.
I very much doubt they just left him hanging, there would have been hell to pay if that was the case. Sounds like shitty journalism to me.
The process of pulling him out of the narrow constriction would still be time consuming, and I presume that it was during this process that the bolt failed.
Placing bolts in rock is a time consuming process and the holding power is always going to depend on how brittle the rock is. Perhaps the bolt placement was poor, perhaps there just was no good placement, there is no indicator either way in the article, though it's clear that both the writer of the article and the people discussing it don't really know anything about the decision-making process that took place.
Silent_Talker ยท 125 points ยท Posted at 02:17:45 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
That makes two of us
mecaenas ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 06:43:09 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
That makes all of us except the pack of morons doing the rescuing.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 07:04:08 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
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sometwatwithahat ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 12:18:24 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Isa no moron. UTAH moron
Rather_Dashing ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:10:13 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Learn to read properly, then you'll be a lot less confused at the world around you.
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 06:36:30 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
They thought Jesus would take the rigging I guess, if they were praying.
Satans__Secretary ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 08:01:34 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Goddamn christians.
Kaserbeam ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 14:23:04 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
They were mormons, but yeah it was pretty astoundingly stupid.
Ramady ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 14:38:55 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Mormons are Christian.
TIFUbyredditting ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 04:34:37 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
It takes "Don't leave me hanging, bro" to a whole new level
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:07:51 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
He wouldn't high five them back
gn0xious ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:17:31 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Simple, in an emergency situation such as this, it is crucial to
ChucktheUnicorn ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:15:01 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
because they dumb as fuck
pardonmyeng ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 08:15:11 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
don't never leave a brotha hangin.
goodcleanchristianfu ยท 181 points ยท Posted at 02:22:40 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Source? The only reference I can find breaking out pizza (thinking he was about to be saved) makes no mention of the work stopping at that time, and it's not like rock walls are made to design specifications to ensure rescue equipment will always stay secured. There are references to prayers, but only by the family, not the rescue workers. I think you've jumbled the elements of the story together.
jamandspoon ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 06:26:51 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
i think the pizza reference was just an embellishment or at least i hope
Silent_Talker ยท -9 points ยท Posted at 02:32:25 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Direct quote:
For a few hours there were sighs of tentative relief. They finally cracked open the boxes of pizza and cases of water, and broke out in smiles suggesting the worst was over.
goodcleanchristianfu ยท 32 points ยท Posted at 02:35:18 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
That quote doesn't confirm any of this
Silent_Talker ยท -18 points ยท Posted at 02:36:39 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I'm having a really hard time with reddit today. Can't edit my comments or anything. My comment above had formatting errors and wasn't finished. Here is the (hopefully) corrected version):
Direct quote:
They got him loose. Then celebrated "for a few hours".
milkomeda ยท 22 points ยท Posted at 04:17:25 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
That's your interpretation. I interpreted it as, they finally got him out of the initial stage, and were actively working on the complicated process of getting him out further, but since they were out of the dangerous, almost impossible initial stage, they were celebrating (while, again, actively working). So that couple of hours wasn't them just leaving him hanging while they ate; it was them relaxing a bit, eating, and feeling more confident, while part of them were still actively working on the next stage of the rescue. I find that scenario more likely than the idea that 100+ rescue people all decided it was a good idea to take a break for a couple of hours, and not work on getting him further out.
Silent_Talker ยท -17 points ยท Posted at 04:24:26 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
And what exactly were they doing during those several hours? They already got him loose, but there was no mention of any additional progress after that.
They definitely weren't checking/securing the rigging, that's for sure.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 15:52:24 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
There's a point you reach when you have more people than can physically work on whatever you're working on. At that point you can't just send everyone home because for all you know they might be needed later.
So why stand around doing nothing? It looks like the hard part is over, everybody who isn't actively saving this dude's life go eat.
goodcleanchristianfu ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 03:52:10 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Again, nothing there says they celebrated and prayed if that's supposed to mean they stopped working ("they pulled him up and then just left him hanging above/in the hole while they celebrated and prayed,") and nothing there says the rescuers prayed at all - you made it sound like they had done something negligent, but all the evidence indicates is that they were too optimistic.
Silent_Talker ยท -16 points ยท Posted at 04:18:12 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
You are really bad at reading.
Obviously the guy had to have still been suspended when he fell back in. He fell back in after several hours of relief and celebration. The celebration was due to them pulling him up and getting him food/water/radio.
I don't see what you are missing here. They pulled him up. Gave him food/water. Felt relief for a few hours. Then he fell back in. What's missing?
MagnusCthulhu ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 07:09:45 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I guess this issue is that, uh, you're basically misreading the whole thing and then when called out on, restate the same misreading.
To clarify: the events you are stating happened are not reflected in the source. At all.
RaitoGG ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 09:38:30 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Um...care to elaborate how they're not reflected at all?
It literally says that they got him out of the hole halfway, gave him an IV, food and let him talk to his wife, and they then began eating pizza and drink water, which only lasted a few hours.
I agree that it's probably not what happened, but that doesn't change the fact that it certainly can be read that way.
MagnusCthulhu ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:52:10 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
It literally does not say that. The sense of relief lasted a few hours. Not the eating. And you seem to be under the impression that "loose" equals "free of the hole" which is also not what that means.
Seriously. Reading comprehension, buddy.
RaitoGG ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:16:47 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I'm under no impression. I agreed with you. I'm only saying that I can understand how someone could interpret it that way. The article is poorly worded.
MagnusCthulhu ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:03:42 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Sorry about my tone. Didn't see who responded, I thought it was the other guy I'd originally responded to.
Yes, it certainly could use some clarification, but I don't think the other guy's interpretation makes any logical sense even based on the text we have.
xanfire ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:04:02 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
If you agree that probably didn't happen, then why bring it up in the first place?
RaitoGG ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 13:22:22 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Because I can understand why Silent is interpreting it that way?
Son_of_York ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:47:38 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
And he's spewing his false narrative of what happened all over the thread and basically slandering the people, many of whom were there 24 hours straight, trying to save this kid.
He's the idiot that the herd has decided to follow, and he's blatantly wrong and doesn't care about it.
CrumplePants ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 06:14:03 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
You can have sighs of relief while still doing shit.
creepy_doll ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 08:09:36 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Journalism.
Also with up to 100 rescue workers involved not all of them would be actively involved
Very_Sharpe ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 08:14:22 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Pizza comes out, work stops. Sounds about right?
originalBLACKelvis ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 06:30:25 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
IIRC they pulled him out of the narrowest part that he was actually stuck in and then the rigging broke. They didn't pull him out of the entire whole and then proceed to eat pizza as he was dangling there.
Kazan ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 07:10:52 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
[CITATION NEEDED]
I_knowa_guy ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 07:49:10 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I don't like being irrationally angry so I'm going to tell myself you're lying and that didn't happen
limpack ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:33:29 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Don't worry, he's an idiot know - nothing.
ZigZagZoo ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:09:46 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
If that really happened they should all go to prison
DwightKashrut ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 06:40:10 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
That's not what happened, the guy who posted it just can't read or think good.
Silent_Talker ยท 27 points ยท Posted at 02:15:21 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
No it's ok. They gave him some of the pizza too. (I mean it. They were all just having a pizza party, him included).
PlsDntPMme ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 07:47:14 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
They took the "Pizza = Life" thing way too seriously
Son_of_York ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:03:41 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Please stop spewing your idiocy all over this thread.
People are actually believing you.
TrollinGolem ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:25:25 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Generally, cave rescue crews are volunteers. People who are experienced cavers volunteer to be contacted when a situation arises in the area where they live. The rescue crews should not be blamed for failing to save someone who got into a bad situation through his own foolishness. It seems like the rescuers showed pretty bad judgement in this scenario, but they had no obligation to participate in the rescue in the first place and they were doing it for free. So no, they absolutely should not go to prison.
Starace01 ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 02:16:54 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
For failing to help a guy who got HIMSELF into a bad situation? yeah, no, sure it was stupid of them if it did happen, but it's not their fault he got there in the 1st place
roblong6869 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:40:41 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
This sounds like something out of a black comedy film. Surely this isn't real?
nocendi ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:55:15 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Are you serious?
LadyParnassus ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:07:52 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
The wall holding the bolt that secured the line crumbled, iirc.
tcitb ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:52:11 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
No they didn't. Very few rescuers could fit in that space, and those that could where exhausted from the hours spent rescuing him already so they stopped for under an hour to eat and drink, while also giving him food and water. The rigging was a bolt, you cannot tell if they are bad or not if they are newly placed.
limpack ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:32:30 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
You're an ignorant idiot and spreading misinformation. Shame on you.
8bitslime ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:54:28 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Holy shit, the family needs to be putting out lawsuits, that's bullshit!
passwordisaardvark ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:42:25 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah! That'll teach those rescuers to try and help people who get themselves stuck in caves!
8bitslime ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:51:48 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I don't think a rescuer is supposed to allow who they're trying to save to be suspended for hours as they celebrate like that last comment just said.
[deleted] ยท 121 points ยท Posted at 00:18:05 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Nutty putty?
livinonnosleep ยท 78 points ยท Posted at 07:18:13 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I've actually been in the caves it's called that because the clay that is in them is some odd cross between peanut butter and silly putty. Never felt anything like it in my life. It's a shame they shut it down it was a really popular place and very fun to explore.
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 07:46:16 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Wait, how recent was this?
mle_123 ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 08:20:26 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
the source linked above said 2009
livinonnosleep ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:48:12 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)*
I went down around 2001 sometime.
sooth_ ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:27:58 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
What was there to explore?
livinonnosleep ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:50:31 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Lots of caves. Really narrow passages would open up into big rooms. The one place called the birth canal which was a tight passage that was fun to squeeze through.
RainbowGoddamnDash ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:37:55 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Seems like it was to die for.
[deleted] ยท -29 points ยท Posted at 01:05:28 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
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midnightmarauder82 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 01:58:44 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
bich nga
TiffanyCassels ยท 231 points ยท Posted at 01:52:06 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Caving/potholing is the stuff of nightmares for me; this is basically my worst fear come true.
Murican_Popeyes ยท 33 points ยท Posted at 08:21:32 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)*
When I was at Sleep-away camp (I think I was 12 or so at the time), you could sign up for extra 'outdoors" trips, so I signed up for a caving trip. There were about 12 people on the trip, half guys, & half girls from the girls camp up the road. They drove us out about an hour into the mountains. The outdoor staff were all foreigners - mostly from South Africa & New Zealand - and were really experienced outdoorsmen..they were also a bit crazy & would get us into some situations that were probably out of the safe skill level for inexperienced 12 & 13 year olds.
Anyway, there was this one kid on the trip who was pretty fat. Before we even left, the outdoors staff were hesitant to allow him to come because there would be some tight squeezes - but they weren't about to deal with the repercussions of telling a little kid paying a lot of money for camp that he's too fat to go on a trip, so he came.
We parked the van, got our headlamps & helmets on, & hiked about a mile down a path. I was expecting a huge open cavern - like the big touristy cave tours. Nope, the was literally a hole in the ground, you had to crawl to even get into the entrance. I realized this was going to be no joke caving. So in we go.
After about 5 minutes walking through the first section of cave, & climbing down about 100 feet underground we got to a point where you had to squeeze between a pretty narrow gap one at a time. Now, this gap was small even for my 90lb skinny ass teenage self...but I made it through with some maneuvering. However, I knew there was no way in hell the fat kid was gonna make it through. Sure enough, when it was his turn, he couldn't fit.
This was a problem, because At several points along the route we had to actually put on harnesses & repel down to keep going/climb back up after - so they needed all 4 of the outdoors staff who were there so they'd have enough people to supervise the group while the others rigged the climbs & beylayed the campers. They also couldn't leave a 12 year old kid alone outside the cave... so the only choice was to figure out how to get him through.
Above the narrow gap which was at ground-level, there was a slightly larger gap towards the roof of the cave, about 15 feet up. So the crazy South African outdoors staff managed to rig up a makeshift pully system out of the climbing ropes & gear. They hoisted the kid up & he tried to pull himself through the upper gap. Sure enough, he gets stuck again. Only this time, hes stuck with his upper half through the hole, & his lower half dangling 15 feet in the air. He starts freaking out & crying. The staff are trying to figure out what to do. After about 5 minutes he announces that he had just pissed himself. This made the outdoors guys kind of mad because you're not supposed to piss in a cave (as it can't evaporate, any other cavers who go through there have to walk through it indefinitely). So we ended up having to make a kind of makeshift human ladder, to hold one of these guys up there while they pushed the piss-covered fat kid through. After about an hour struggle, we finally managed to get him through & continue the trip. Needless to say the fat kid was not happy (I do imagine it mustve been pretty terrifying for him - although nobody really felt bad because he was warned that would probably happen.)
Besides that, the trip was altogether pretty incredible...lots of cool caverns & crawling through mud. Also repelling inside the cave & climbing back up afterwards was super awesome. However, I've never experienced claustrophobia like that before. At one point one of the guides told us he'd take whoever was brave enough into a real squeeze section. This was a narrow gap that ran about 50 feet long... there was maybe an inch of head clearance & it was just wide enough for a person to fit. You had to elbow crawl flat on your stomach just to get through it. When you're hundreds of feet underground, in a pitch black, remote cave, wedged in a tiny gap too narrow to turn around or move in any direction but forward...and too small for anyone to come get you...it really put the whole claustrophobia thing into perspective. Ever since then I've had very little fear of tight spaces since nothing can really compare to that. I think if I was my current size there is no way in hell i'd attempt it again though.
TL;DR Caving is awesome but avoid doing it if you're a large person.
TiffanyCassels ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:26:13 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Honestly I'm pretty cool with walking/rappelling through larger caves, or floating through them on tubes, or whatever; as long as there's enough room where I don't feel claustrophobic. That last bit you mentioned, with the 50-foot crawl, sounds like a total nightmare, but I guess you're right that it does put other "claustrophobic" situations into perspective.
Cub3h ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:33:18 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Great story, thanks for sharing!
monster_bunny ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:12:56 on December 16, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
This was a neat story to share- but I feel bad for the kid. It sounds like he should have never been permitted to enter that cave system. I'm not much of a finger-blamer, but that's an oversight that could have been avoided.
[deleted] ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 06:32:44 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
kittens http://i.imgur.com/TGS2K.jpg
captain150 ยท 22 points ยท Posted at 06:49:35 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Man...why do people do such things?
I know it's for a thrill but can't they do something normal like jumping out of an airplane?!
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 06:53:00 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
...land on water and then freedive into a narrow cave like this
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:02:17 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
i'm very claustrophobic. ahhhhh
Jrebeclee ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:19:59 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Is this cheaper? That might be it. No thanks
Kevin_Uxbridge ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:15:34 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)*
That's actually pretty spacious. I've crawled through thing way tighter than that, and I've only caved casually. Or used to. Diving through a long, very shallow bit (not unlike the one in the picture, but tighter) my clothing snagged and for just a second and panic rose up to about my chest like cold water before I could push it down.
For about half a second I thought the rock might start obeying gravity, shift minutely, and pin me forever. I was just shy of becoming a ball of random impulses when I pulled it together and unsnagged myself. I then had to get to a place I could turn around and crawl back out the way I came (no choice). Sunlight never felt so good, and that was enough for me.
TiffanyCassels ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:24:31 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I wish that link had stayed blue; I'm going to have nightmares about that for weeks.
colonspiders4u ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:14:13 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
...you lied to me.
CrookedCalamari ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:38:35 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
fuck
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:27:31 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
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TiffanyCassels ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:26:28 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Nooooooooooo.
codeverity ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:18:19 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
A group of college students died doing that. Saddest thing about it is that they're pretty sure that one of them died first and blocked the way out for the others.
tictacsupremacy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:49:13 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
100% this. I never really think of myself as claustrophobic (I'm fine in crowded places and whatnot), but anytime I see things like this I get a rush of anxiety that almost makes my eyes well up. I don't get that feeling from any other sort of "fear"
TiffanyCassels ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:27:23 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I'm exactly the same way. Crowds and small spaces (eg: packed elevators, etc) don't bug me at all... but the idea of being in-between two sheets of rock? That thought almost made me lose my lunch.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:19:05 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
It's not like it's something you're going to stumble into accidentally.
TiffanyCassels ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:28:11 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Very true - at least I can easily avoid one of my biggest phobias, haha
[deleted] ยท -7 points ยท Posted at 02:28:08 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)*
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:12:13 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
What?
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 11:53:21 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
The people who saved him got him out, but left him dangling while they had a party, he fell back in and died
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caldera15 ยท 167 points ยท Posted at 02:34:23 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
The Y-mountain thing struck me as really darwin-esque when you consider the geography/geology of the cave. Like how can anybody think it's possibly a good idea to take a cramped 15 foot underwater tunnel to an "air chamber" - which probably had bad ventilation at the time, which lead to the deaths. Seems super risky for no real reward.
MidnightAdventurer ยท 299 points ยท Posted at 04:29:01 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Cave diving in a nutshell
TacoRedneck ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 06:45:44 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I thought the general rule for spelunking was not to touch bodies of water in caves because they might release toxic gases, kind of like shaking a soda bottle.
WadeK ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:28:56 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Apparently this was a popular tunnel for people to swim. A couple of the hikers who died told their friend that they had done it before (though both had said they hadn't done it without serious problems) and there was a rope traversing the tunnel that swimmers could use to guide themselves to the exit.
Genut ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 06:39:37 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
But... but what if there's a treasure inside?
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 06:59:33 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Like 72 virgins?
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 12:24:54 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
You just don't like, get it man.
caldera15 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 18:38:55 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
no I totally get it. Do something kinda sketchy and dangerous with my posse and have a cool memory to tell my grand kids when I'm old and have a boring life? Sign me up! I mean what could possibly go wrong? A torturous and suffocating death in a trapped dark chamber? Nah, won't happen to me. I'm young and invincible. Even on the small chance it does, totally worth the risk. It's about those memories brah. Gotta create them when you can! Better to burn out than fade away! Or drown out I guess in this case...
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:38:50 on December 16, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Genuinely gave ma a few laughs. Its a fucking stupid hobby, "I'm going to crawl into tight spaces and try not to die". Have you seen the movie descent?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:56:26 on December 16, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:27:49 on December 16, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
See I had missfortune with that movie, we watched it on dvd, but the dvd broke 30 mins in, we thought "this is really well made, very claustrophobic" but then didn't see the rest for like 6 months because while it was interesting, it was a "oh they're stuck in a cave" story. Love that movie.
Brain_in_a_car ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:19:15 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I've been dreaming and writing stories about such underwater passageways leading to different worlds or magical places.One can dream.
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snooicidal ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:13:54 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
the speed of the world's fastest swimmer is 5.34 mph. and that's on the surface of the water. so 4 seconds is like, crazy fast and not realistic. probably more like 8 or 10 because your underwater, you've been hiking and are tired, it's dark.. etc
caldera15 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:48:02 on December 16, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
They were found on their way back out, not on the way in. I believe one possibility is that the ventilation in the chamber was bad and did not contain enough oxygen to prevent hypoxia. They may or may not of realized this but clearly at least the first woman was overcome by lack of oxygen and everybody else followed, either cause they were blocked too our also just succumbing.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 11:45:26 on December 16, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
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caldera15 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 12:14:00 on December 16, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Do you have a source on that? The way I heard it is that nobody got out alive, four went in and they all died. One guy decided to just not go in at all and got concerned when his friends didn't return after forty five minutes. The other point about the woman getting stuck sounds like it could be right but I need a source. How do we know she got stuck and didn't just pass out due to lack of oxygen?
isisis ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 04:36:25 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
One of the girls was a friend of mine. So sad to lose someone for something so stupid.
als_pals ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 04:25:58 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Here's a really emotional read about the rescue http://archive.sltrib.com/article.php?id=98989899&itype=NGPSID
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 04:33:50 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
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hurf_mcdurf ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:43:12 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
It's definitely an appropriate response, not everyone gets it but it's pretty normal. For example my hands get all clammy when I read about or even think about being in a really high place. It's just a sympathetic automatic nervous reaction, not necessarily emotional. If you enjoy spooking yourself like I do try reading Ted the Caver, http://www.angelfire.com/trek/caver/page1.html, probably the most claustrophobia-inducing thing I've read.
imnotquitedeadyet ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 07:32:10 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Oh my fucking god these are freaking me out. I've been spelunking twice and I've been planning on going more, but holy shit these stories may make me reconsider. That is so insanely terrifying.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:49:52 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Posted this higher up but you should check out "Trapped!: Buried Alive: The Floyd Collins' Story." This guy also got stuck, but got stuck laying down, and rescuers and his family talked to him and sent him food for days before he died of exposure. Every attempt to rescue him just fails miserably.
Very good read!
fesxvx ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 08:46:59 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Totally random, and this will probably get buried, but one of the kids who died in that underground water cave was the singer of a pretty good Utah hardcore band called Parallax. For various reasons I ended up meeting a ton of people through my life who knew the guy or knew the band, and that story always stuck with me. Weird feeling seeing it pop up in the middle of a random thread. It seemed everyone I met in Utah knew about it.
Anyways, here's a link to Parallax's stuff in case anyone is curious.
https://parallaxtfg.bandcamp.com/releases
TheStarkGuy ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 09:16:20 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
According to an article they could have helped him, but instead choose to pray before calling 911, then stopped trying to get him out, which after caused him to fall back down.
lilhurt38 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:00:52 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Heard the same story. It was two people. One decided to turn back once they found the air pocket. The other got some air, decided to try to go further when he didn't know how far it was to the next oxygen source, and he drowned. Stupid way to die.
milleniumshark ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:05:44 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
It escapes me right now, but one of those guys was in a pretty popular local hardcore band. I'll try to find the name......found it Parallax was the name.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:42:39 on December 16, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I don't know which would be worse: a painful death or a Kafkaesque one.
[deleted] ยท 181 points ยท Posted at 01:48:13 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Tragic, but really his fault. Number one thing they tell you when you go to nutty putty is ALWAYS GO FEET FIRST. He would have survived easily had he done that.
SinkHoleDeMayo ยท 91 points ยท Posted at 07:14:31 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I just can't imagine why anyone would go head first downward into a tight space that you don't know for sure will open up. Seriously, it's just common sense.
247Brett ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 15:27:24 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
He thought he was going through another tunnel called "The Birth Canal" that actually does open up again. He wanted to go through headfirst but went down the wrong tunnel.
The_Juggler17 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:05:22 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Turned out the be quite the opposite
hurf_mcdurf ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:51:19 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
D'oh
Jon_Ham_Cock ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:05:10 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Or at all.
Acurox ยท 1137 points ยท Posted at 00:56:39 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
That one was horrifying. Here's a picture.
http://i.imgur.com/cxEkp1O.jpg
DrEnter ยท 489 points ยท Posted at 02:22:41 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
OK, I'm not particularly claustrophobic, but this... this makes me claustrophobic.
ANAL_Devestate ยท 44 points ยท Posted at 14:17:47 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Could you imagine being in his place? Just a few minutes before you were enjoying yourself exploring a cave with some friends, when yoi fond yourself in an uncomfortable spot. You try to wiggle out of it, like you usually do, but you're having some trouble. You keep thinking you're okay, and that by the end of the day you'll get out and see your friends again.
Then, silently, realization sets in. This cave will be your tomb. Everything in your life ends in this hole. Do you panic? Scream? Cry? I'd assume you'd have enough time to yourself to do all three.
It's pretty cray. Reminds me a lot about the people who died exploring the dark, damp crypts underneath the city of Paris.
SuperBloops ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 15:27:05 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)*
Seriously, this is my new least favorite way to die. It's a kind of casual, meaningless death that you'd kick yourself over (if you had room to kick). You've got the awkward anxiety of getting locked out of your car x10000000000.
_Mrs_POTS_ ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 08:02:11 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
You would love the Ted the Caver story!
SirSupay ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:59:38 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Just found this video on Youtube, if you don't wanna read the whole thing.
VAbornAKgrown ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 14:43:27 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I am particularly claustrophobic, and that photo alone will 100% ruin any joy I attempt to find this week.
bayoemman ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:06:08 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not claustrophobic and my dreams will be haunted tonight.
Letty_Whiterock ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:45:02 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I am, and no way would I ever go down in a cave like that.
DamienJaxx ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:37:40 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Do not watch The Descent. You will fucking panic.
[deleted] ยท 648 points ยท Posted at 01:29:51 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
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isaacandhismother ยท 753 points ยท Posted at 01:44:22 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
The image states that the shock from breaking his legs might have proved fatal- but who knows why they didnt take that chance.
[deleted] ยท 449 points ยท Posted at 01:46:35 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
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LeaferWasTaken ยท 258 points ยท Posted at 04:31:07 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
If that was me trapped in there I'd want them to at least ask me. I'm doomed anyway so snap them legs!
redditmodssuckass ยท 294 points ยท Posted at 07:03:31 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
The moment he went unconscious, I would have snapped his fucking legs off and dragged his ass out of there. Maybe he would survive, but at least his family would be able to bury a body.
Marinian ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 14:19:21 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I find the concept of pulling him out of the ground to put him back in strange.
redditmodssuckass ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:59:12 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Because if you pull him out shattering his legs, there's a chance he could live as minimal as it might be, it's still a better chance than doing nothing.
Tribat_1 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:44:39 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
He took care of burying his body for them.
sonofaresiii ยท 25 points ยท Posted at 09:05:13 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Wait, this was 2009? How the fuck did they not fucking just sedate him and drag him out, see what happens?
Is it not basically like surgery at that point? "You're going under, you're either gonna wake up or you're not. Good luck."
This kinda sounds like bullshit to me, it doesn't make any sense.
Coziestpigeon2 ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 14:51:50 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Probably was pretty difficult to get the appropriate medical supplies into such a weird area.
NoReallyImFive ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 16:08:51 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Much less someone who knows how to administer it
deitiesmara ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:17:02 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah Im thinking Id be upset to go out that way.. Fuck it. Id have em break the shit out of my legs, it would suck, but nothing sucks more than dying there.... Quietly.... Ugh. Horrible experience.
Zealyfree ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:46:50 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Hard to blame them though. If they broke his legs and dragged him out then dies of complications, they'd feel like murderers for the rest of their lives.
It'd be worth it to try, as he's fucked if they don't, pretty good chance of not being fucked if they do.
Redbulldildo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:16:58 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
You know what would make me feel like a murderer? "Nah, can't save you bro, don't want to risk killing you."
Golden_Dawn ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:10:07 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Then you get charged with some form of homicide and sued by the family for everything you'll ever own.
redditmodssuckass ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:58:08 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
It might happen, it might not. I'll take the risk to save a man's life and lose everything I own than to idly stand by and watch him die because I was scared of getting sued. If we are going to let fear ruin our lives, we might as well sit inside all day and never go out.
bawchicawawa ยท -6 points ยท Posted at 13:53:35 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, I'm sure you would, bud
hydrofenix ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:19:00 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah that or gas me or something. If it was me I'd have a knife to my throat as soon as I knew I was permanently stuck.
[deleted] ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 07:01:47 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
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GeebusNZ ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 10:32:26 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Hauling him out would have broken his legs, very likely sending him into shock. How well do you think he's going to fare unconscious, broken legs, body doing other crazy things, upside-down with blood rushing to his head? Do you think it's appropriate to risk your own lives in order to buy him some few minutes, and nowhere near enough time to then be carried out of the system?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:46:57 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
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GeebusNZ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:57:31 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Everyone else got out alive and mostly uninjured. Shit happens, and while it's valiant to believe that all heroic measures should be taken to save someones life, there are situations where it's just not a reasonable idea. This same thinking is why there are so many corpses on Everest.
grandmagangbang ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 08:40:14 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I seriously doubt that was what they thought. Have more faith in humans pls. Thnk u.
Dany_Heatley05 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:05:09 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Right dude. You got it all figured out. Man, you shoulda been there instead of those 100 plus trained professionals and medical staff shit for brained morons. Fuckin people are so stupid right bro?
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:12:51 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
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Dany_Heatley05 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:22:57 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
It's not you having a different opinion man. It's you going off on people for being stupid when you have nothing more than one article of information and a testimony from the guys brother. Just the notion that over 100 people including highly skilled medical professionals didn't weigh every option they had over a 27 hour ordeal is just retarded. Plain and simple
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:51:30 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
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Wires77 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:14:21 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I think he had fallen unconscious at that point
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 07:11:05 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
cut em off bro.
Spaceman-Spiff ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 07:33:13 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Duck it. I'd let them chop my legs off.
maffoobristol ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 11:31:07 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Not to be insensitive, but what a selfish bastard going potholing.
jletha ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 06:23:03 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
That was not the only factors to consider. Even if he hadn't died they still had to get a person that could not use his legs back through the cave safely which was difficult for able bodied humans. It became very unsafe for the rescuers and it was likely one of them would have died even if they did break his legs.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 14:29:30 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I dunno, I'm thinking people are getting confused here because they think that because the article said they couldn't pull him out without breaking his legs, that breaking his legs was an option. But if you think about it, how the fuck are you going to break a dudes legs when he's trapped in that kind of confinement. Especially if it was a femur. People get their legs run over by buses and won't break their femurs in the process, that bone is insanely strong, so I don't really think they'd have had much of a way to get in there and snap his legs and then haul him out. And if you're just gonna tie something around the dude and yanked him out using enough force to snap his femurs, I'd say you're almost certainly going to kill him in the process anyway. There's not gonna be any clean and controlled way of doing it due to the confinement. I'm thinking they meant it more as, the only way he was coming out of that hole is if his legs were broken already, and having broken legs would've been the only way they could get him round that corner.
DoctorSauce ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 07:03:10 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I can see how it would be difficult, but why is it likely one of them would have died?
GeebusNZ ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 10:35:03 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Because they would be doing extraordinarily difficult things to manipulate another human with broken legs (and numerous other health risk factors) while in an already challenging underground environment.
srehtamllahsram ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:10:16 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Give him heavy opiates through the leg and get the rock hammer.
kcheng686 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 06:16:10 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
You know, they actually managed to pull him free, but then during their pizza break, the pulley broke.
theradicaltiger ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:44:09 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Did they just leave him there to die??? Jesus! If I was in that situation I would ask for a gun and put myself out of misery. Unless I was unconscious.
bucsfan914 ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 04:36:16 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Unfortunately the family probably would have tried to sue the first responders if they tried that.
shmameron ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 06:37:57 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
They wouldn't have gotten far. There are laws that protect first responders from lawsuits like that. For civilians at least, these are called "Good Samaritan" laws: for example, if you tried CPR on someone and got it wrong, but you were the only one there and it was all you could do, you couldn't be sued for it.
[deleted] ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 07:08:37 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
If you are trained in CPR. If you are not trained, pretty sure you won't get protected, as you may not know what the hell you are doing.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 08:17:50 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
no. look up good Samaritan laws. they protect anyone who tries their best to help a person in fatal/critical condition.
they don't have these laws in most of the undeveloped world (mostly just English common law countries), which is why no one ever helps each other when there's an incident.
Master_Tallness ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 12:37:15 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)*
I'm no doctor, but I'd have to imagine the surging adrenaline in his body from being stuck head first in a crevice, unable to get out, would help immensely with the broken legs.
[deleted] ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 04:31:37 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
"We have an idea, but it might kill him, so we'd better just let him die instead of killing him."
GeebusNZ ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 10:36:00 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Well, this situation is an unfortunate risk of what we're doing and it's likely he's going to die. Lets try killing him instead.
ItsJustMeJerk ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 12:37:19 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Because then they mightv'e been legally responsible for his death.
_Z_E_R_O ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 08:07:36 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
If I recall correctly there was a significant safety risk to the rescuers. One of them was seriously injured trying to get him out, and that was before he slipped deeper into the hole.
James72090 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 12:17:25 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Why not drug him then break his legs? Wouldn't any strong opiate/narcotic allow his body to go limp. I understand it may effect his breathing/brain since they were being filled with fluid, but it would of been a chance or at worst a peaceful death.
YaBoyNazeem ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:33:53 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Sedate him then break his legs then pull him out?
Wet-Goat ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:20:31 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Couldn't the of applied anaesthetic before doing so? No idea if that would be possible though.
[deleted] ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 04:00:47 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
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hyperbolical ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 05:37:48 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Of course they thought of that. However, good luck making quick work of solid rock with the kind of tools you can get into crevices your body already barely fits through.
frapo ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 06:31:30 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Not to mention the danger of a cave in killing everyone involved....
Podo13 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:39:24 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
And the dust created by striking through that rock making it even harder to breathe.
Hive_Tyrant7 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 06:19:53 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)*
Gotta get a drill, then get it down there, then get electicity/water/air/whatever to power it, Ventilation, a way to remove the fallen dirt, etc. That takes time, and time isn't something he had unfortunately.
Also drilling and hacking at caves is asking for trouble without proper support and preparation.
Further reading also shows that they were mostly relying on prayers anyways which says enough.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:05:14 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I don't think it's that easy to get that kind of equipment there
jletha ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:27:59 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
First, get drills and power to areas where its barely big enough for fit humans to make it. Next, drill rock in a tiny cave around the dying mans head and the rescuers with no ventilation. Keep drilling until you can just pull him out, even though there isn't enough room for anyone to really move in there anyway.
Its so obvious, Im not sure how they missed it
TheScienceSpy ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 06:40:28 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Did you even look at the picture? There's no way in hell they're getting drilling equipment down there when the rescuers could barely fit through the tunnels that lead to him.
kingeryck ยท 201 points ยท Posted at 01:51:16 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
What I want to know is why he crawled in there in the first place!
Miniappolis ยท 346 points ยท Posted at 02:00:59 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Well if you look at a lot of cave diving videos, there are a ton of absolutely tiny crawlspaces. This guy probably wondered if it opened up and then got trapped. Curiosity killed the cat, so to speak.
Drasern ยท 102 points ยท Posted at 07:20:58 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
What a fucking stupid hobby. Let's climb head first into this super narrow, completely uncharted tunnel, on the off chance it opens into anything more interesting then an empty cave.
natmccoy ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 07:44:57 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I don't think the goal is an off chance, the best they are hoping for is an empty cave.
ThingsThatMakeMeMad ยท 37 points ยท Posted at 08:47:18 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Seriously. If he was a 20-something with no wife or kids, it would not have been as bad.
He had a pregnant wife and a baby daughter. Yes the chance he dies is low, but why take the risk? If cave-diving is your hobby, stick to safe and well-mapped regions of the cave.
katzeyez ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 08:56:41 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Or use those showerhose-mounted camera snakey thingies so you at least know what's ahead, and don't have to risk your life shoving your face into something you can't pull out of..
decideonanamelater ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 13:36:40 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
or even just carrying a couple of rocks with you to drop into the tunnel and find out if it continues.
GeebusNZ ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 10:42:58 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
What's the difference between this guy and a guy who is killed by their hobby/passion in car racing? Or someone who is killed in a Hunting accident? Or any number of other activities where there is risk of death.
ThingsThatMakeMeMad ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 10:54:55 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
All a matter of what you think is 'too risky'. Everyone draws the line somewhere. Then again, hindsight is 20/20 and this guy definitely wouldn't have gone off on his own if he thought he would get stuck. I feel bad for the guy.
K20BB5 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 13:03:55 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Crawling headfirst into an unchartered narrow tunnel is a little different than driving fast cars in my opinion
[deleted] ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 13:09:03 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
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K20BB5 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:39:04 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
You are really not safer caving. If you can't see the difference between crawling head first into a tiny hole with no known outlet and driving 80 on the highway then I don't know what to tell you
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gwarwars ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:25:41 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
It's almost as if there are more people who travel by automobile than there are cavers...
K20BB5 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 01:07:39 on December 16, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Again, driving is considerably safer than crawling head first into a narrow hole with no idea if it leads anywhere. More people drive, so more people die. Can you really not see that? I'm not saying caving is stupid I'm saying what this guy did was
Uphoria ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 01:32:09 on December 16, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
we are talking about people persuing hobbies by danger and you made this about an random schmuck going head-first down a dark hole to a professional/trained drivers racing.
I don't know why you keep re-writing your point to make it look like I don't know what I am talking about, but I was done a long time ago when people decided to downvote because their gut feeling says I'm wrong.
ThingsThatMakeMeMad ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:14:56 on December 16, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
You're a moron. The automobile/caving comparison is extremely inaccurate because hundreds of millions of people drive while only a fraction of a fraction of that amount are cavers.
Uphoria ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:23:51 on December 16, 2015 ยท (Permalink)*
I guess you can't read good, because I said "per capita" as in - on normalized rate, like X/100.
Why are you so angry? Is it your assumptions both on how safe driving is, and how dangerous and deadly spelunking is?
ThingsThatMakeMeMad ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:35:41 on December 16, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I know exactly what per capita means. I think you're the one mistaken here.
More people drive, so the amount of deaths per XXX persons in a country while driving is higher than the amount of deaths per XXX persons due to spelunking.
Take a group of 1 million people. 200 000 of them drive, and 500 died due to car crashes. 500 of them cave dive and 50 died during cave dives. In this scenario, less cave divers die, but the % compared to total cave divers is higher.
Uphoria ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:17:10 on December 16, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I understand the math of what you are saying - I am saying that you are greatly exagerating the death rate, per capita (percentage whatever) of them.
Lots of people use safety equipment, ropes, etc. Even people who are injured etc. But to -die- while caving is not all that common these days.
that is my point. Its like flying. People think flying is dangerous, but your chances to die while flying are significantly lower then driving to the corner store, each time you drive.
DeemDNB ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 13:05:47 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
For me the difference is a car racer, or a base jumper, or whatever, they know that so long as they do everything right and the conditions are right, they're okay. This guy just went, "Hey, I wonder if this impossibly tiny tight hole in the ground opens up somewhere? Well, I guess not, now I'm fucked."
And I think it's just so unnatural to want to be in a tiny tunnel underground.
Mrminecrafthimself ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 15:42:38 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
As if cave explorers don't do the exact same thing. The hobby isn't stupid. It was the explorer who was stupid. He didn't take the right precautions that most other cavers do.
It wouldn't appeal to me, so therefore it is stupid.
DeemDNB ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 23:06:02 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
How is that the same thing? If it's an unexplored cave, they have no way of knowing whether it opens up or not, or if it just stops in a dead end. There's no equivalent to that in the two sports I mentioned. You can't jump off a cliff and discover that it's the kind of air you can't use a parachute in. Or race down a road and discover that you can't use brakes on that type of road.
Also, you're twisting my words, I never said 'stupid'. I was just adding my personal opinion, that's why I said, "I think".
Mrminecrafthimself ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:25:59 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
There are safety precautions in place for cavers. This person seemed to ignore them. There are camera to explore uncharted caverns. There are safe ways of manually exploring.
binkerfluid ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 09:08:48 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
He wasn't doing that. He just was mistaken and went in the wrong really tight hole
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binkerfluid ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 11:24:30 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I dont think you've even met my mother
http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/legendsofthemultiuniverse/images/7/7c/08-King-of-Hill-Hank_l.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20140902033620
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:56:37 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
He just did it fucking stupid. You're supposed to go feet first with your body facing towards the wall, so if you land somewhere you are able to still climb back out/be rescued.
RepostThatShit ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:27:24 on December 16, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
In that cave there's no way to go feet first.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:28:32 on December 16, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
how? just crawl in backwards
LittleBigPerson ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:45:50 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Keep in mind this guy was doing it completely wrong. I hear that you're supposed to go feet first so you can always pull yourself out.
It's not the hobby, but the fact that he went in there with the wrong technique.
NeedTheJuice ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 08:46:33 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Lol! I'm here thinking the same thing.
Here I am working out, trying to travel the world and go to music events and stuff and there's people willingly climbing through these narrow ass holes?!
Humans really are nuts at times
GeebusNZ ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 10:39:57 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
If you can identify your own desire for exploration with traveling the world and going to musiv events, why can't you get that these are people who explore different? Your idea of grand adventure might be backpacking way off the tourist track, well, these guys version is going poking around holes in the surface of the Earth to see where they go.
NeedTheJuice ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 12:39:28 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I guess it's just the fact that regardless, you end up in empty hole with barely enough room to move around.
You're right though. I shouldn't be talking about it like that if I don't share that passion. It just seems bizarre that people do that for fun. I knew walking around and exploring normal caves was a thing but crawling head first through them just did not add up
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ANUSTART942 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 11:24:16 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I was with you until you called the hobby retarded and said he deserved to die.
You think he deserved to die for having a dangerous hobby.
Fuck off, what makes you so goddamn special?
GeebusNZ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:17:00 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
By the same token, people who race vehicles and wipe out fatally equally deserve it.
Miniappolis ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 07:29:03 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
That actually sounds really fun, but just know when to stop.
That might just be the daredevil in me though.
Mrminecrafthimself ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:41:10 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
No need to insult people's hobbies, dude. The guy did it wrong. You are supposed to go feet first, so you can always climb out.
CryoCrisis ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 08:11:26 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
And satisfaction sure as hell didn't bring it back.
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kneeonbelly ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 07:14:38 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
This guy actually had a kid. So more like calculated risk, where you ignore most of the calculations and end up on the wrong side of them.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 08:14:33 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
No, he passed on his genes. Evolution isn't about surviving as long as possible, it's about reproducing.
IAmNotARobotNoReally ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 10:05:25 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Which means he had fulfilled his evolutionary purpose before his tragic and untimely end.
Good on him.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:36:07 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Well, discovering something really cool might get you laid, so maybe more of a Darwinistic gamble that happened to not work out this particular time.
ogrejr ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 06:52:33 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
You're not wrong, you're just an asshole.
LittleBigPerson ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:44:56 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
So why didn't he go feet first?
outerdrive313 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:04:48 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Cause yall white people are some adventurous motherfuckers, that's why.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:15:19 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
It sounds kind of crazy after reading this article, but I was in a cave with three friends once doing something similar. It was relatively unexplored as far as we knew. Well it was full of narrow tunnels on the roof and the side that just kind loop back on themselves and the three main rooms. It was just super fun and addictive to crawl up into a hole in the roof, squeeze through a tunnel, and pop out into another room that you had already been in. We explored it pretty thoroughly, crawling into all the little spaces, but I never really got the sense that it was that dangerous, I guess it could have been!
Still I'd like to think that none of us would have gone down a hole like that without seeing the bottom and whether or not it opened up.
PerogiXW ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:24:04 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Cavers are explorers, and the infographic says it was an unmapped section, so I suppose he wanted to be the first. Terrible way to go, not worth it in my opinion but I suppose someone has to explore caves.
binkerfluid ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 09:07:43 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
There was one passage that was passable called the birth canal. He thought he was going through that one but was mistaken and went into an unknown one instead.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 11:38:00 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Because people are fucking idiots.
The_Bigg_D ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 04:20:47 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
i remember reading somewhere that they did end up breaking his legs trying to pull him out. once the bone gives way, any more tugging will just pull that sucker apart like a corn dog without a broken stick.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:57:36 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Just in case, take this comment as me formally authorizing you guys to just break my shit if it comes down to this.
Daniel428 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:31:13 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
If I am ever in that situation, someone please, PLEASE break my fucking legs. I don't care, just get me out of there.
Creabhain ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:21:58 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Perhaps there was no leverage? Breaking a man's legs in a confined space is next to impossible I imagine. Pulling on the ropes so hard his legs would break wouldn't work because the rope or the attachment point would give way long before his legs would I think. His ligaments would tear and joints would dislocate before bones would break. Not as easy as you might think.
karadan100 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:03:52 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Would have killed him.
[deleted] ยท -14 points ยท Posted at 01:38:35 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 02:20:26 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
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FloppyG ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:59:06 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Couldn't they explode evereythin with dynamite?
lifeformed ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 06:32:47 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
that's my response to most problems
A_favorite_rug ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:09:45 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Such as when I don't want to go to that family reunion or my sister's shitty boyfriend.
chubbyurma ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:53:13 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Giving it a go is better though. It has to be
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chubbyurma ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:34:01 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
If you read the whole story of it, there's just heaps of crazy and confusing stuff that happened. Taking ages to report it, having lunch breaks, praying before they did anything. It's all weird.
MadMikeOCall ยท 75 points ยท Posted at 02:18:24 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Why would you even drag yourself into a crawl space that tiny and twisted?
[deleted] ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 07:22:52 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
He started getting tighter and was hoping for it to open into a chamber so he could come out headfirst I bet.
natmccoy ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 07:47:30 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
The same reason people scuba dive 400 feet deep in tiny caves, or fly wing suits through canyons, or climb cliffs without ropes; adventure & excitement.
Doctah_Whoopass ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:17:06 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Except if you smack into the side of the canyon, you probably will end up dead quickly. If not, you can try and survive in the wilderness, instead of being trapped in a rock coffin upside down.
superfudge73 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:11:09 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I used to be into caving. I've been in spots so tight you had to exhale all the air in your lungs, put your arms in front of you and push yourself through with your feet. However, I did most of my caving in caves that had already been mapped.
Mahlaandovah ยท 237 points ยท Posted at 02:24:50 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
That picture is literally giving me a panic attack. I feel sorry for him that would be terrifying.
[deleted] ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 08:27:24 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
You would love this movie I can already tell https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Descent
mrdobing ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 14:18:48 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
+1
krt03 ยท 103 points ยท Posted at 02:05:08 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Thanks for that anxiety attack.
JordanMcRiddles ยท 34 points ยท Posted at 07:04:47 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Pulls out list of things to never do
"don't...go...in caves"
DerpGrub ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 06:48:53 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
"the space was too narrow to pull him backward without breaking his legs" "so we just let him die".. fuck that if i got stuck like that break whatever you need to just get me the fuck out.
GeebusNZ ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 10:44:56 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
You seem to be forgetting that breaking his legs might get him out of the hole, but then he's got to get out of the cave with broken legs. Also, broken legs, upside down, probably go into shock from the pain, great plan to just pull and break and go.
Redbulldildo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:20:16 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
So the better idea is just to leave him? "You might get out, but you might die, so we're just going to leave you here."
GeebusNZ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:00:03 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Realistically, hauling him out would have killed him, with an outside chance of getting him out of one life-threatening situation and into an equally life-threatening one. There comes a point where you have to accept you're doing something dangerous and death is a risk factor.
Redbulldildo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:08:29 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Going from life threatening to life threatening is significantly better than going from life threatening to guaranteed because of someone else's choice.
GeebusNZ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:10:41 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
How small a chance is too small a chance that it's not a risk worth taking? What is the limit?
Redbulldildo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:17:34 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
0%
GeebusNZ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:22:25 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Why? What is so valuable about a life that every possible measure to maintain it must be taken, even if doing so puts others at risk?
Redbulldildo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:25:08 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
It depends on the risk to them, this wasn't a situation that would put the others into a massive risk.
GeebusNZ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:27:20 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Hauling someone out of a hole, breaking their legs in the process, so that they would then have to carry a person who was unable to navigate the already difficult cave system due to physical damage, and likely unconscious from the trauma of their extrication, would not have posed a massive risk?
Redbulldildo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:33:53 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Not really, it's a long effort, but something easy to do without dying yourself.
GeebusNZ ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 22:44:14 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Easy? I give up. There's no sense trying to make a rational argument to an irrational person.
DerpGrub ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:34:59 on December 16, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
well shit either way he's gonna die might as well go for it.
GeebusNZ ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:15:17 on December 16, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Sure, he's fucked, but lets make his last moments as hellish as possible.
Win_in_Roam ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:24:40 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Imagine climbing downwards like that and reaching a dead end. Nope.
charizardbrah ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:19:18 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Idk why anyone would ever want to do that unless they're suicidal.
[deleted] ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 01:28:11 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
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KazyX ยท 163 points ยท Posted at 01:32:45 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
it doesnt contain anything graphic
Its mostly info graph showing how you end up in that situation.
CharybdisXIII ยท 96 points ยท Posted at 04:11:35 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Phallic ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 06:09:39 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
The whole image is graphic.
Info-graphic.
taipro ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:26:02 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
but is a graph not technically graphic?
[deleted] ยท 33 points ยท Posted at 01:32:56 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
There's no graphic depictions of death. It's more of an infographic with an illustration of the position he died in, and maybe a picture of his leg.
ReaDiMarco ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:10:20 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Not his leg, a volunteer's leg, it says.
hulksmashokayiwill ยท 69 points ยท Posted at 02:07:18 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
That's what they said when they left him there.
vandebay ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 02:26:42 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Errrr...
invisiblephrend ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 06:41:22 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
/r/imgoingtohellforthis
delarye1 ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 01:33:25 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
It was a diagram actually, nothing nsfl or take that bad at all.
MethoxyEthane ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 01:34:26 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
It's just a map of the cave along with photos of rescue workers. Nothing remotely NSFL.
Korbit ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:10:48 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
That cave proved itself to be NSFL.
kadno ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:39:42 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
It's not at all graphic, but it's one of the most disturbing things I've seen. I can't imagine being stuck like that.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:13:38 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Don't be a pussy man it's nothing scary.
cbarrister ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:23:35 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Fuck.
nedflandersuncle ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:39:05 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not claustrophobic or anything but I wouldn't do that. If the cave is getting too tight for me to turn around in, I don't need to go any further.
Teid ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:57:56 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
So small fact about me. I am terrified of this happening to me and I will never go in caves for this exact reason. Thanks to your picture I have now concluded I will not sleep and would rather throw up the last few meals I've had. Thanks!
dictormagic ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:59:43 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
That says "It was difficult to move him without breaking his leags"
I really hope they didn't worry about that. Break his fucking legs. He'll live then
edit: if i read further I would have seen that the shock of that could have killed him.
calvanus ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:00:40 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I swear that was a diagram used to show how they saved that guy?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:10:24 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
WHY THE HELL WOULD ANYONE DO THAT!?
canserpants ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:18:48 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
why in the fuck do people even do this
ridik_ulass ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:41:03 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I am not afraid of small spaces, not getting stuck in them, but I am terrified of this sort of thing, this and those guys who do the underwater caves as well. even looking at that gives me anxiety. the whole being stuck unable to turn around, in a place so unaccessable you couldn't be rescued or helped.
Ninja_Guin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:02:36 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
That makes me incredibly uncomfortable.
Famixofpower ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:14:20 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Tight, dangerous spaces.
meiyoumayo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:38:13 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I clicked it and now I'm just going "NOPE" over and over.
I thought for a while that caving seemed like a pretty cool thing to try because caves are such unique biological environments and stuff, but now...NOPE.
One_Cool_Dude ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:07:52 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
If this ever happened to me, I'd just want somebody to roll a grenade down with me and be done with it.
devler ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:10:01 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Talking about caves, have you read this The Enigma of Amigara Fault? It still gives me shivers.
http://imgur.com/gallery/ZNSaq
(read from right to left)
undenyr01 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:39:51 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Some people do this for fun, underwater..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WtlwoX1YEmg
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:31:00 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
The rescuers in this situation were fucking brave.
yoshi570 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:49:11 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Is this SFW ?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:52:58 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Ayup. Fuck caves.
Nearlydearly ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:14:00 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
That gave me a waking nightmare
wanks_on_your_face ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:33:20 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
How did he ever plan on turning around?
Jurassic_Rabbit ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:26:50 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
If this is what you do for fun you get what you deserve
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:43:47 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Holy fuck.
No no no no no no no fucking way man.
Ugh, i no longer fear dying any other way. This is horrible. I'm the kid that used to freak out when there was more than one of us squeezing by eachother in those McDonald's playground tubes.
Redbulldildo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:23:35 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Everybody is talking about breaking his legs, and I agree with that, but why not try to send the rope lower and get it on his shoulders or something?
Gromby ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:38:21 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
holy fuck
Skizophrenic ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:12:48 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
There's a video of a stripper getting stuck between two lockers with enough space for one to go through. She was head first. Anyone want to see the video I can link it.
KinshiroGG ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:24:31 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Almost as bad as this
Fiendish_Ferret ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:10:53 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
What a fucking horribly organized infographic.
[deleted] ยท 128 points ยท Posted at 02:40:05 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
cue relevant creepy-ass manga of people going in holes of their shapes
Gibbsey ยท 45 points ยท Posted at 06:18:30 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
This hole was meant for me
DRR DRR DRR DRR DRR DRR DRR
Qwertdd ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 12:12:04 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
What the hell is that actually supposed to sound like? I just imagine some middle schooler yelling "durr durr" in a stupid voice. Sorta ruins the creepyness :(
myownperson12 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 13:08:57 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)*
I think its supposed to be a scraping noise, when I read the manga I wasn't sure the first time, but when I wound up reading it again, I realized that it might be the sound of the creature scraping against the stone walls
Qwertdd ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:53:21 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)*
EDIT: Guy I replied to rewrote his comment.
myownperson12 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:16:34 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)*
Sorry if it sounded that way because of my use of "fucking" I'll edit it
Edit: I now see how I sounded like an asshat, I'll rewrite it to how I meant it. Sorry!
Qwertdd ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:44:05 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Much love, my friend.
Gibbsey ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:31:43 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
yeah weird sound effect but was from the manga
Qwertdd ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:52:33 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
It's still a pretty good manga, but I never found DRR DRR creepy because I don't understand it.
andisoto ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:55:48 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
aaah junji ito
Lord_Vinton ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 06:14:58 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
DDR DDR DDR
alomomola ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 06:34:29 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Ugh I always forget the name of that.
rdewalt ยท 23 points ยท Posted at 06:59:06 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
The Enigma of Amigara Fault
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Enigma of Amigara Fault
Source:
http://openawesome.com/junji-ito-horror-manga/enigmaofamigarafault.html
There are other good creepy comics on this site as well.
EDIT: Author Junji Ito. Look him up, his work is gold.
Count_Long_Dong ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:29:53 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Jesus fucking Christ, dude.
Raidenoid ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 07:00:02 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
The Enigma of Amigara Fault by Junji Ito
Have fun.
alomomola ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 08:08:18 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Thanks! I've read it and am a fan of Ito. Just couldn't recall that title.
Solfosky ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 12:43:07 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Junji Ito has lots of creepy manga
ParanoidPotato ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 06:23:56 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I hate it every time I read it...
[deleted] ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 07:21:28 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
but... i have to. this is my hole.
Monkeys_R_Scary ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 07:58:28 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
( อกยฐ อส อกยฐ)
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:24:17 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
giggity
NeedTheJuice ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 08:49:34 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Instantly thought of this
colonspiders4u ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:23:43 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I remember that. At least, now I do. You un-repressed that horrible memory, you fiend.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:24:38 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I really wanted to forget this :(
The enigma of something mountain, right?
i-d-even-k- ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:20:03 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I almost got over the nightmares that manga caused. And then you had to show up.
Sssgth ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:25:46 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
DRR DRR DRR
[deleted] ยท 83 points ยท Posted at 01:48:10 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)*
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Silent_Talker ยท 229 points ยท Posted at 02:06:36 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Wat?
Definitely the next big blockbuster.
MachineGunTeacher ยท 93 points ยท Posted at 04:15:12 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
If it was written as a comedy starring all of the guys from This is the End, I'd watch it.
Eucharism ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 08:24:16 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Hey just because your brothers story became a movie doesn't mean everyone else's has to.
Sexy_Hunk ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:01:14 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
So there are at least two of us who saw that movie?
Eucharism ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:38:52 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
It wasn't too bad.
leyebrow ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:37:34 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Was I the only one that loved it?!!
Posseon1stAve ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:12:22 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
That's basically 127 hours, but with Jay Baruchel being annoying next to Franco the entire time.
MachineGunTeacher ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:05:49 on December 16, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I want Michael Cera stuck in the hole while the other guys try to get him out.
Phallic ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 06:13:28 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
The working title is: Dumb Fucks in Caves
adamzep91 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 04:15:59 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Starring Jim Carrey and Jeff Daniels.
T_wattycakes ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 05:18:21 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Did you see 127 hours? That movie was a hit, and it was a dude hallucinating
MachineFknHead ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 07:44:18 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
He survived, though, after sawing his arm off.
This dude crawls into a hole and dies, the end.
T_wattycakes ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:47:44 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
It's all about "the struggle" though. That being said, I'll care about this movie about as much as I cared about 127 hours (not at all)
Silent_Talker ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 08:13:18 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
The "struggle" can hardly be compared.
T_wattycakes ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 08:21:17 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe it'll be a slapstick comedy?
thisshortenough ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:42:29 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
What about Everest then?
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 04:31:35 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
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Kazan ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 07:11:24 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
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Apkoha ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 07:20:11 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
do you really think they just left him hanging there? Likely it was poor writing, as in they started to pull him to safety and started to celebrate.. as you can't just fucking yank him out of the ground in 2 mins.. they were going slow once they had him released in case he was injuried or as to not cause any additional injuries. It's clear once they had him free and was bringing him up they felt it was safe to celebrate.
You guys want to call these dudes idiots for praying before calling 911 but at the same time you think they cleared him of the hole, got him outside and then left him dangling above it for hours while they partied.
I mean, look at this shit https://i.imgur.com/cxEkp1O.jpg Do you think that's something they could just pull him out of in 20 mins once his head was free?
Silent_Talker ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 07:45:43 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
The source said the failure was several hours after they pulled him up, not 20 mins.
STAAAAAALIN ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 10:30:53 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
The rescuers were tired and they are not celebrating, they were fucking eating because they need some energy to continue the rescue (there were a lot of work to do).
ChoujinDensetsu ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 06:48:36 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Wow... he died because of his religion.
Stopman ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:01:00 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Another home run from M. Night Shyamalan.
DarknessWarrior ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:21:19 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Kinda like 'Ace in the Hole' with Kirk Douglas.
sirgraemecracker ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:56:33 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Sounds like blatant Oscar bait.
Illogical_Blox ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:26:16 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I read they were trying to figure out how to actually get him out of the cave and the area he had climbed through.
SandyBayou ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:02:12 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Why not? They made a movie about a dude getting his hand trapped between two rocks.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:16:10 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
That was the first King book I ever read. The part that got to me was the description of getting shot in the gut. I was rolling on my bed having a hard time finishing that part.
DeemDNB ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:18:48 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
There's also a part in one of Lee Child's Jack Reacher books that has an incredible bit about being stuck in a tiny tunnel. I've never felt so anxious reading a book before. From Die Trying:
OwenDeedy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:25:53 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
One of my favourite passages in any book is the part in Jim Thompson's The Getaway where Carol gets stuck trying to sit up in a tiny cave she's hiding in. She thinks she's been tricked into going in and has been abandoned. Not only is it one of the most viscerally terrifying things I've read, it's also a beautiful and elegant metaphor for self doubt and paranoia within a relationship.
Silent_Talker ยท 959 points ยท Posted at 01:46:38 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Someone posted an article about this incident. The whole thing was the dumbest thing I have ever read. I think the combined IQ of everyone involved is in the single digits. Copied my comment and article below:
Article
Man, reading the article about that made my head hurt.
What? No, it's very clear why and how he died. He climbed into a very difficult cave, and instead of staying with the group he "decided to explore a different route" by himself.
What the hell is going on here? Is a group of 10 grown men seriously just sitting next to the hole where they know their friend is stuck upside down and just praying? For how long? Why not pray after you call for help?
They actually freed and suspended him, then just stopped and celebrated for "a few hours" until an "equipment failure" dropped him back in the hole. Wat. And apparently the "equipment failure" was one of the bolts holding the rope coming out of the wall. So during this entire time, not only were they not working on getting him farther out, no one even checked or secured the line.
Bananapepper89 ยท 156 points ยท Posted at 07:25:03 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
So they were 95% finished with the rescue and then just left him hanging there? What kind of mickey mouse operation was this?
Letty_Whiterock ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 14:48:55 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Someone else said that actually getting him out from that point would still be time consuming, and the bolt probably failed during that part.
dominion1080 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 15:32:57 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
But it was hours. There's no excuse for not checking everything.
Letty_Whiterock ยท -7 points ยท Posted at 15:34:13 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Okay... What does that have to do with what I said?
dominion1080 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 15:44:09 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
They could have checked the rigging before stopping to celebrate.
Letty_Whiterock ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 15:46:33 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Okay, just ignore what I said in my first message.
elynnism ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:26:25 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I think what he's saying, related to the original story, is that they pulled him to a certain part and then left him there to have pizza. When they came back the bolt came loose.
You're saying the bolt was loose regardless of whenever they'd start the process again so the hours they were gone didn't matter.
However those hours did matter, they could have did repairs or thought of another way to rescue him. It just all seems ridiculous.
JazzFan419 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:36:04 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
This is the reason why our basketball team can't win a championship
creepy_doll ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 07:54:55 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
The praying and stuff is certainly silly.
As to the pizza and water, I presume that this is just lazy reporting: there was reportedly up to 100 people involved in the rescue and once he was secured, only a handful would be involved in pulling him out/guiding him. I would assume that they were at this point trying to gradually winch him out of the cave which would still be a long and relatively delicate process as they need to get him past the obstructive geometry.
As to the bolts coming out of the wall, this stuff is pretty hard to determine. Bolts are damn strong, but they're only as strong as the surface they're attached to, and when you're setting them up in an impromptu emergency you don't have the luxury of choosing what rock to place it in.
You can't blame the rescue guys here. The guy and his brother crawled into there and they got themselves in trouble. The rescue did everything they could to get him out. As to those in the cave offering prayers before calling 911... Plain stupid
Silent_Talker ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:10:16 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
There is a bit of disagreement between sources about the rescue effort, maybe it wasn't so bad. But the guy and his family are definitely irredeemably stupid.
[deleted] ยท 210 points ยท Posted at 02:48:08 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Wow, I'm religious and I found that to be so incredibly dumb. Call 911 then pray. Seriously wtf.
calicotrinket ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 12:38:44 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Also,
Here's an idea... Perhaps celebrate after you actually got him out?
mysticsavage ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 13:21:55 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
God helps those who help themselves. These idiots didn't help themselves.
Large_Dr_Pepper ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 06:37:15 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I feel like it's just more of a common sense type thing. I'd say most people that are considered more religious than your average Joe would still find it absolutely ridiculous to sit around together and pray before getting help.
Son_of_York ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 16:59:58 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
It makes a lot more sense if you go with the implied interpretation in the article, rather than /u/Silent_Talker's colorfully incorrect interpretation. When they first found him, he was fine and in good spirits, probably just thought he'd made a dumb mistake and needed a helping hand to get out.
His friends found him, probably laughed a bit at his misfortune, tried to help, couldn't do it, said some prayers, tried again... and began to realize the seriousness of the situation. Then called 911. One of the articles quoted the CoS and said that when the actual rescue workers got there he was still fine and and good spirits, probably embarrassed that they'd had to call so much help.
Nobody thought that this kid would actually die, it was a grim realization after rescue efforts were hindered every step of the way.
And I'll guarantee that there wasn't a "Okay everybody let's have a pizza party!" moment. Rescue workers, like everybody else, need sustenance. And you can't put that fact off forever during a rescue effort (though I've seen people try).
Source: Actually reading the article, and Wilderness EMT who's been a part of a few S&R efforts.
diet_pepsi_bottle ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 13:06:24 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Nothing fails like prayer.
BurnPhoenix ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:19:01 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Seriously! Pray as you work for fucks sake!
Kazan ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 07:08:21 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Fundamentalists.
robot_nuts_n_bolts ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 10:45:36 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Or pray to 911.
XxsquirrelxX ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:12:26 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
They should be charged with some sort of crime.
[deleted] ยท 353 points ยท Posted at 01:51:06 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
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Kazan ยท 112 points ยท Posted at 06:57:57 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)*
This. My climbing friends in high school were mormons. One time - after copious safety lectures from their father, their brother, and myself - we took their younger (12 year old) twin bothers climbing with us. on the scramble next to the cliff one of them got cocky and started hopping down. ended up tumbling and taking the equivalent of about a 15 foot fall (and missing hitting his head on a rock by like 6" lucky fucker). While I was doing field medical assessment their brother scrambled up the ravine (stair stepping blocks) and to the car to get the holy oil. By the time he got back I had already determined that his brother had broken nothing and would be fine - of course we should take him to the ER to confirm.
ER confirms my assessment.
Brother credits the holy oil.
i bit my tongue.
edit
I'm also Search and Rescue certified (Though not on active service because i just had cancer surgery)... you should see our mission reports. the details of how people get into situations where they need us..
Sovereign1998 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 15:06:01 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
holy oil? you mean snake oil
elltim92 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 10:03:07 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
What kind of training is there to SaR certs? Are you cave SaR?
I hope the surgery went well!
Kazan ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:10:01 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I'm Explorer SAR - which is ground pounder. We do on and off trail search, subject recovery, etc.
Basic certification for ESAR out here involves a rather intensive training course in survival, navigation, basic first aid augmented with wilderness and subject handling (there are a lot of EMTs in the unit so you will usually end up playing second fiddle medically). One stage of the training I essentially call an adventure race, that's also the stage the culls the most people - if you don't have good navigation fundamentals (you and your team) you will not pass.
Enhanced certifications includes snow & avalanche, rigging (rope), high angle, etc.
elltim92 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:04:16 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Pretty cool stuff. I'm an EMT & in fire/rescue, but I don't live near enough to any woods or wilderness to do it, but I'd be interested if I were closer.
We did assist on a search once but it was mainly for manpower. We just went door to door with flyers
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 14:45:45 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
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Kazan ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:05:31 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
One of the really common bonehead ones is people doing a 4000ft mountain with no gear and getting caught out after dark with no lights. there is a particular mountain that this happens on at least once per month during the summer.
Then there is This one
Then there are the people you'll see up above snow line with zero snow gear...
There was a guy on july 5th who was doing a 3000' mountain, 4 miles (Each way) trail. he'd done it before so he knew. Very popular mountain out here (Mt Si). He started cramping at the bottom and decided to tough it out. It was a 97 degree day with high humidity (very rare for out here), but he had plenty of water so he gave it a go (was carrying no food). By the time he got 100 yards short of the top he was in hypertensive crisis (bp 210/140) and muscle convulsions.
Atheist101 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:12:05 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Some people just want to die
Kazan ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:00:43 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
many people just think "it won't happen to me"
Warphead ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:03:38 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
This is really it. It's human nature to ignore dangerous odds. Otherwise we'd be afraid to do most anything.
Backfires a lot though.
Warphead ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:55:09 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Thanks to holy oil
Kazan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:07:21 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
lol, i wasn't at the time of that story :P
Nightthunder ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 16:09:09 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I'm Morman, and while there are procedures to help heal, it sounds like none of those people have common sense. To me, using oil or praying is what you do waiting for an ambulance if there's nothing else to be doing, or in the actual hospital. Can we chalk this up to stupid people and bad luck and not a religious issue?
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 17:42:28 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
when a religion convinces people to believe ridiculous things, it's a religious issue
Silent_Talker ยท 510 points ยท Posted at 02:00:29 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Listen, your religion can involve covering yourself in ketchup while watching Friends re-runs. I don't care. But do that shit AFTER you called the cops. You will have plenty of time while you wait for them to come/during the rescue effort.
I don't see how any of their actions can be explained or justified.
[deleted] ยท 96 points ยท Posted at 02:05:19 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
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Silent_Talker ยท 43 points ยท Posted at 02:12:42 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Ok, you mean the whole "why did he have to leave us" part? That's more understandable. But still, when people usually say things like that, it's in reaction to random/uncontrollable events like disease or natural disasters. Things that could be called "acts of god".
This incident, however, is clearly caused by human actions and decisions, with very little of it being surprising (other than the fact that adults actually made those decisions). I don't really feel that it makes sense. I think that it is too much for any religion to push even the direct results of their decisions on to god.
jdovew ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 06:22:18 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
As an exmormon, I'll offer a more cynical perspective. These men grew up on stories of men like them, who had the "priesthood," or power of God. These stories involved people in life-threatening situations saThose in the cave offered what he called a "series of prayers"ved by divine intervention, and praying after calling the police is like telling God you basically don't trust him wholly.
I'm not throwing the blame on their faith completely, but it's a huge factor, especially if the group was a Church-sanctioned trip.
This is Mormon code for invoking their special powers.
Magnon ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 08:17:20 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
They probably blamed it on an act of god because it was too much to handle that they had been responsible for killing him.
Silent_Talker ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 08:32:46 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Come now, don't take all the credit away from the genius that crawled into the hole on his own in the first place
wrongrrabbit ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:11:49 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
the article is hardly going to open with "local moron dies after wedging self in cave". Some dude died, they're going to be as respectful as they can.
bornfrustrated ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 04:33:05 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Your next instinct should be to stop being Mormon.
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 04:35:29 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:15:30 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Do you deal with this type of stuff a lot on reddit? I can imagine it getting real old after a while.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 15:24:46 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:34:43 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Good for you, man. It just makes me laugh a little when I see dudes like that on reddit that are so eager to show how superior they are because they believe something different then you.
bornfrustrated ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:50:02 on December 16, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
(Fairly certain I'm making fun of a totally fabricated religion)
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:55:40 on December 16, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, but why do you care? Let the guy believe as he pleases. It doesn't effect you.
refep ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:30:24 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Fuck his choices, yeah?
Missingplanes ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:39:11 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
You might be sensible enough to act quickly to save a life but the fact is the vast majority of your religious organization is not. Whether prayer works is beside the point- people actually prioritize it over emergency services.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:41:30 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
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Missingplanes ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:47:11 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe if you prayed about it :p
Snatch_Pastry ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 06:41:27 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
You're reading this guy wrong. He's not trying to explain or justify the correctness of these actions due to the participant's religion, he's saying that nutty cults can fuck up your thought processes bad enough that these people literally couldn't operate in a rational manner. A lot of cultists are indoctrinated enough that they believe that prayer is actually better and more effective than simply doing something real.
JulioCesarSalad ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:26:17 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I'm catholic and my instinct is to call 911.
toyb0at ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:44:36 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Rachel and a side of fries...I'm in, take my tithing.
HungoverHero777 ยท -8 points ยท Posted at 02:10:18 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I just can't believe how it's 2015 and religion is still a thing.
HungoverHero777 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:56:34 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
And to all you downvoters, call it edgy or whatever you want, but religion really has done more harm than good as of late. Here is an extremely relevant topic from this sub. In addition, (1) here (2) are (3) some very informative posts from said topic. Religion was meant to bring people together and make the world a better place, but that is clearly not the case today.
psinguine ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 02:34:00 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
My whole life I have been very careful with knives. My dad, when he was younger, nearly lost all of the fingers on his right hand because he was fucking around with a buck knife. Other parents teach gun safety. Mine taught knife safety. He made me wear cut resistant gloves to butter my toast for God's sake. He instilled a fear of lacerations and a respect for knives that has thrived in me as it thrived in him.
And it was all for nothing, because I just cut myself on that edge.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 08:35:10 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
And here I thought you were about to relate your dad teaching knife safety with religion somehow.
misadelph ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 09:06:03 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
But now you will teach your kids proper respect and safety around Reddit, so, your trauma was not in vain.
HungoverHero777 ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 02:36:14 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I'm guessing this is supposed to be clever and edgy in itself?
ChoujinDensetsu ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 06:47:09 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Down vote him because he pointed out how silly religion is!!!!
FIERY_URETHRA ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 02:27:51 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
/r/magicskyfairy
Commando388 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 02:38:55 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)*
don't generalize. it makes you look like an ass.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:59:25 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Why would you call the cops before watching friends while covered in ketchup
tinkletwit ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:29:10 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Here, I think you'll get a kick out of this comment.
yoshi570 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:51:23 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Where do I sign up for this ?
TGiFallen ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:30:04 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I know it's frustrating but look at it this way. Natural selection, the stupid weed themselves out.
ScrotumAcne ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:21:02 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
So no one told you life was gonna be this way...๐๐๐๐
deitiesmara ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:22:02 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Right, if I was dudes wife.. Id be livid.
natedogg787 ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 02:03:51 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I get that reference!
Silent_Talker ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:08:10 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Umm, I wasn't referencing anything on purpose. Care to share?
theneedfull ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 02:16:03 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
There was a gif posted today. It was an Asian chick in a tub of ketchup, dumping out a bag of fries onto a table and then dumping ketchup on it. She was wearing a bikini, so Reddit got a boner.
Silent_Talker ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:18:36 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Was this /r/wtf or something?
RetardedSalmon ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:21:33 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
why yes it was
natedogg787 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:24:46 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
The best part was the shovel.
ChoujinDensetsu ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:46:39 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
She isn't wearing a bikini.
Vincent6636 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 06:49:37 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Who the hell else names their sons Josh and John Jones?
Stubbly_Man ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 07:16:56 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I actually believed that I had the power to raise the dead as a Mormon. This is just to put into perspective the belief that these people had in praying for him.
all_is_temporary ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 07:03:20 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Fucking religious nutjobs. Don't understand how people are so stupid to believe that shit.
Transfinite_Entropy ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:32:33 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Seems like Mormon culture contributed to this tragedy.
NeedTheJuice ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:49:12 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Surprised they're all still religious after this.
What a crock..
GrooverMcTuber ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 05:14:25 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Who needs alcohol when you're drunk on Jesus?
SonerBomer ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:37:31 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
That reminds me of a good joke.
How do you get a mormon to stop drinking all of your alcohol?
Invite two of them.
gleek_master ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 09:19:11 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
"Mormons find comfort in tragedy "
Can you expand on that bit?
bassnugget ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:30:33 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Take out the 4th m in Mormon and you have a moron.
allothernamestaken ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 03:59:10 on December 16, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
They thought for sure his magic underwear would protect him.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:21:33 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Whoa, I thought you were being a shit talker , not a silent talker until I read this! What in the actual fuck?
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 07:12:10 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)*
I googled around and it seems he might have only been "rescued" for 30 minutes (Source 1 & 2 that I'll put at bottom. The 3rd source is definitely more credible as it is Salt Lake Tribute)
It seems like they put him on a leveled area and gave him food and water while they figured out what to do with the next steps of the rescue because they couldn't just yank him out at that point. (Source 2 and 3)
It seems like the rescuers did everything right. If we take their word for it, it wasn't equipment failure but just act of nature (Source: 1,
2, 3). All-in-all, just a difficult and shitty situation.Sources
1) http://www.heaven4sure.com/MeandGodQuestions/LifeLessons/tabid/58/ctl/ArticleView/mid/387/articleId/681/John-Jones-at-Nutty-Putty-Cave-Willing-and-Able-to-Save.aspx
2) http://www.cnn.com/2009/US/11/26/utah.cave.man/
3) http://archive.sltrib.com/story.php?ref=/news/ci_13879115
Silent_Talker ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 08:03:22 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Source 2 states that it was, in fact, equipment failure:
Source 1 is just a summary of source 3, so it basically doesn't count as a source.
So now we have two conflicting sources and I don't see how you can say one is better than the other
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 08:33:38 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
You're right. Corrected.
You're correct here as well.
30 minutes vs hours is a pretty critical difference but looking at how the situation looked I honestly wouldn't be surprised if they were spending the time rejoicing their little success and trying to figure how to pull the guy out. <- that part I think is more important in a sense because it seems like people aren't sure how Jones was placed.
It's seems likely that he wasn't just dangling on the equipment but was placed at what they thought was a "secure" area. Looking at the various illustrations of what the situation was like... it does seem like an incredibly tough situation for the rescuers.
I honestly think the original article posted wasn't really well written so I personally give slightly more credit to the SL tribune's article and CNN.
And yet again, I just finished a bottle of Remy while reading this whole thread so I'm probably compromised as well.
icamom ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 09:01:37 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Mormons are taught that god fixes things that are obviously done by people. The delusion is reinforced over and over again. Just a few I heard:
-God healed a sick boy that had leukemia and the doctors couldn't explain it. (When the boy had over a year of treatments including a bone marrow transplant.)
-God healed a woman with a serious blood infection after she was given a blessing. (And had spent 15 days in the hospital.)
-God brought down the fever in a sick girl when the family was camping and couldn't get medical help (after taking Tylenol)
Mormons have this weird combination of getting medical attention and praying, but always attributing healing to god.
I failed a first aid test at a mormon camp for not making sure the victims got blessed as well as treated.
elltim92 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 10:07:01 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Not that I'm siding with the mormons here, but in EMT school if you don't say the magic words before treating a patient, it's a critical failure. For reference, critical failures also include not giving CPR on a dead [dummy], and giving your patient fatal drugs.
This is not a joke.
cainthefallen ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:25:43 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Which magic words???
elltim92 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:50:06 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
"BSI/Scene Safety"
You also hold your hands up to demonstrate that you're wearing gloves, so there's a gesture along with it too
cainthefallen ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:04:18 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Ok that's not nearly as nonsensical as I'd have thought. Basically the scene is safe as they tell you to say in cpr classes.
elltim92 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:53:28 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah my original comment was clickbait-y but it's still funny to see EMT students running around with their hands in the air
cainthefallen ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:28:07 on December 16, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
The image I have in my head almost seems as if the emts would be in distress.
shelcod ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 06:51:38 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
This can all be explained with the word "Utah".
Acceptableintthe80s ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 07:12:43 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
'Josh Jones said that once he first realized his brother was stuck, his first instinct was to pray. Those in the cave offered what he called a "series of prayers" before making the decision to call 911 around 9:30 p.m."
This is how the rest of the world thinks all Americans would react in this situation.
FloppyG ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:02:00 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Psychopaths.
jpop23mn ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:45:33 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
You would think once the got him hoisted up they could get some chop saws in there and just start cutting rock like crazy. Fuck the pizza, make sure he stays hoisted.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:09:22 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Oh my fucking god that is actually the most hysterical thing I've ever read HAHAHAHAHHA
MyFirstOtherAccount ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:46:40 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I dont think they actually sat and ate pizza for 2 hours... they just ate it and then a couple hours later (probably still working to get him out) things went to shit. Also they probably had to climb out in order to call 911 so i dont see anything wrong with a quick 30 sec prayer before doing that.
aintmissbehaven ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:59:29 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
how did they free and suspend him? I keep reading comments that they couldn't pull him out at all otherwise his legs would break. How was he somewhat freed in the first place?
Silent_Talker ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:01:35 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
No clue
yommi1999 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:34:57 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
That guy really needed to die apparently.
Apkoha ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:18:50 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I hope you never work search and rescue since you believe that you can just yank someone out of some narrow ass twisty cave in like 5 mins. I mean honestly, do you think they just did nothing for a "few hours"?
You realized in 86 it took 6 hours to get a trapped baby out of a well, and that was just a hole in the ground, not a bunch of twisty, narrow passages.
Silent_Talker ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 07:47:29 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
They could have "yanked" him out, but they were worried it would break his legs. Obviously they made the right decision there /s.
STAAAAAALIN ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 10:27:05 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
It's not that simple. There's actually a high chance of him dying if his legs were broken while he's suspended upside down. And with that "pizza party" you're talking about, John was only partly "free" during that time and the rescuers are all tired with a lot lot of way to go (the area was still really tight too and they are already several hours into the rescue). So yes, even if it was unfortunate, it was still the best decision at that time.
eyelikethings ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 08:26:23 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Getting stuck in a tiny hole upside down and dying was his purpose here on earth? I wonder what cool and interesting plans god has for me.
BuddhistNudist987 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:46:38 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
So TIL to never, ever go cave exploring and to never trust my life to Mormons. Am I missing anything here?
Devistator ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:10:48 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
That's enough for me to conclude that all involved should have been sealed in the cave. These sound like people who have nothing positive to offer civilization.
Busted_nut_sack ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:50:31 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Prayer, pizzas and pissing about cost him his life.
Shadowex3 ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 14:05:00 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
A lot of people need to lose their job over that fuck up. They killed him.
rudidu ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 07:10:43 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Blows my mind that they did free him and didn't just get him out completely. Why stop and celebrate "for a few hours". Idiots.
[deleted] ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 07:12:44 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Sounds like all the praying and tomfoolery put the final nail in his coffin.
neuronalapoptosis ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 06:29:27 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Holy fuck, so they got him out and fucked around until they killed him.
ChoujinDensetsu ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 06:48:04 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
He literally died because of religion.
_WarShrike_ ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 06:29:19 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Aaaand I'm reminded of the Enigma of Amigara Fault, all over again.
Makes me have a friggin panic attack thinking there's no way back...
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 12:51:36 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
DRR DRR DRR
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 06:39:24 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
It was his hole. It was made for him.
[deleted] ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 01:48:55 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Did he just starve to death then?
MightyPenguin ยท 76 points ยท Posted at 02:01:35 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
No, he was upside down. Eventually the bodies liquid will build in the upper body including the head and chest cavity likely making it harder to breathe, and eventually falling unconscious...then just not waking up.
classymathguy ยท 37 points ยท Posted at 04:01:49 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
That's..... weirdly, not as bad as I was imagining
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:02:29 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Damn that's gotta be terrifying.
[deleted] ยท 29 points ยท Posted at 02:23:55 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I lived near that cave in the 1990s. Back then access was completely unmanaged and anyone could go there. You would have carloads of teenagers making "Nutty Putty" trips on the weekend. In all those years of unrestricted access nobody ever died or as far as I know got seriously injured there. It was only shortly after access was restricted and permission was required to enter that someone died in it.
Repealer ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 07:14:14 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Free market save me pls
roadkilled_skunk ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 09:01:18 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Invisible hand pulled them out.
Sibraxlis ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 02:26:38 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
FUCK THAT, SNAP MY LEGS AND GET ME OUT.
emilyjun ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 08:35:44 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
My best friend dated his brother... When she told me the story I couldn't sleep. His family took turns to go speak with him until he died. Incredibly sad.
Oh_Skiller ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:33:08 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
When you go into tunnels like this you're just asking to die.
Acharai ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:28:02 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I remember my first time in a caving tour, we had one small section of maybe 10 feet where we had to squeeze through a narrow hole on our belly. Might have been the most terrifying moment of my life. I can't possible imagine being stuck like that waiting to die.
GrammerNaziParadox ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:40:54 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Fuck
narfidy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:51:39 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I don't have a fear of small spaces or caves unless it is going in face first
not_vin_diesel ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:04:16 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
He was almost freed at one point.
http://m.deseretnews.com/article/705347362/Man-trapped-in-Utah-Countys-Nutty-Putty-cave-dies.html?pg=all
batcaveroad ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:13:37 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Nutty Putty Cave's website is still active. It hasn't been updated since 2009, but it looks like it's from 1995.
futurehead22 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:44:57 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
This is why I don't get potholing. Who enjoys barely being able to move?!
diphiminaids ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:12:50 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I randomly think about that guy. Every time I do I have to step outside and get fresh air
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:40:41 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I don't get why people go in tiny narrow caves like this. What do they expect to find?
idlewildgirl ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:30:26 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Even just thinking about this story makes me struggle to breathe.
Same happened over here in the UK but the lad just fell in a crevice he wasn't stuck. Still down there though.
yoshi570 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:46:13 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
What's potholing and what's a nutty putty ? Not native speaker, sorry.
Arjaybe ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:54:14 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
They are going to make a film about this coming out next year
Fenor ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:04:39 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
didn't he ask at least for something to kill him faster?
ryanknapper ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:06:09 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I really don't like it when I can't move my arms. I'm now sitting at my desk at work, flinging them about like someone's playing Flappy Dork.
Minani ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:43:44 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Wow. This brings back memories from when I went into a cave in Brazil. I was with a group and a guide, and I noped the frick out when the guide told us to split up and told my group to take the crawl-on-your-stomach-through-the-darkness route. Without claustrophobia, the whole cave tour was great and fun. I'm so glad I was a coward!
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:59:46 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I read about that one recently. Here is an article for anyone who wants to feel really shitty:
http://www.deseretnews.com/article/705347362/Man-trapped-in-Utah-Countys-Nutty-Putty-cave-dies.html?pg=all
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:41:55 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
If you are into caving tragedy, read "Trapped!: Buried Alive" the Floyd Collins story. He also got trapped, but it took him days to die of exposure while his family waited for him to be rescued. Super interesting account and very well-written.
Narwhals4Lyf ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:36:00 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I can't deal with this. It freaks me out so much.
artifex28 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:39:46 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Darwin Award contestant material.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:07:28 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Just found this http://i.imgur.com/Ccn1Uhx.jpg
crazyage ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:29:44 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
There's a story on nosleep... some guy's dad had a tape recording of the situation and conversations...
crazyage ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:33:16 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
https://www.reddit.com/r/nosleep/comments/3wwjyo/last_words_of_a_dying_caver/
QuiteAffable ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:02:13 on December 16, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Sounds like an absolute nightmare
NuclearQueen ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:02:30 on December 16, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
At what point during all this did he die?
popsicleturneddown ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:28:55 on December 21, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Fuck. WHY CAN'T EARTHBENDING BE REAL?!!
spacemonkey519 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 06:36:09 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
so thats where silly putty comes from
Czsixteen ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 06:42:13 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Why didn't they just try to drill around/ make the hole bigger or something else like that?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:09:28 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)*
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cjq ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 09:00:32 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
So? Are you really considering noise and slightly sore ears when somebody's LIFE was lost?
OmarDaily ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 09:58:20 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Why not fill the cave slowly with sand or small rocks as to let the guy push himself out slowly?.
TheManOfTimeAndSpace ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:02:35 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
My ex girlfriend cheated on me there; but then again, there's not a lot of places that she didn't cheat on me at.
rodgeramjit ยท 413 points ยท Posted at 04:36:38 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)*
During the Rwandan genocide some families were herded into a drop toilet pit and then enclosed so that they would slowly succumb to the gases and drown in shit, in the darkness, unsure if they were ever getting out.
I learned this in the Rwandan genocide Museum but do not know the name of the villages where this happened.
kervinjacque ยท 36 points ยท Posted at 16:03:53 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Woah. If I had a choice, I would've prefered the gas chambers in nazi germany then dying like that, not that im okay with either one but still.
DONT_PM_ME_BREASTS ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 17:09:49 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
There are multiple instances of people drowning in pig sewage pits. They get close, pass out from the fumes, and drown. Worse, a relative will attempt a rescue, pass out and also drown. A farmer near were I live died this way in the ninties and two sons who tried to save him also died.
MtlGab ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:11:41 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
That reminded me of this story
vatezvara ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 15:38:46 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I consider that genocide one of the worst ever. 1million lives in 100days...and yet the US still maintains their position saying it wasn't a genocide.
ThundercuntIII ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:30:27 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
What did the US call it?
Warphead ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 22:06:31 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
...
RepostThatShit ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:32:09 on December 16, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Enhanced Liberation Techniques.
sectb ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 10:59:54 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Jesus.
DoxBox ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:13:40 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
He wasn't there.
[deleted] ยท -10 points ยท Posted at 16:33:54 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)*
...
recoverybelow ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:34:04 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Wow
Marfa_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:48:35 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
You should read We Wish to Inform You. Very good account of the whole terrible thing.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:42:36 on December 16, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Wow what a shitty way to die :(
BunsofthePatriots ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 22:00:10 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Ant to think that some people have fetish fantasies like that.
moderndaydevil ยท 129 points ยท Posted at 07:29:27 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Anyone who had the unpleasant experience of drowning in the shell holes of World War 1 battlefields.
After enduring the endless artillery barrages and pouring rain, men were unlucky enough to fall into bottomless pits of not just mud, but rotting remains, flung fecal matter and the run off of poison gas.
Slowly sinking into death because you took a wrong step because you had been kept up by 4 days worth of shelling, unable to be saved by your mates because they would only join you....
I cant even imagine it.
Sirlance47 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 14:01:27 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
man, if only they put this in out history books.
MissMarionette ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:52:48 on December 16, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Definitely not the chivalrous, glory-filled gentleman's war that the people back home were convinced was happening.
greyetch ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:10:57 on December 16, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
That entire war seems unimaginable. I would love to see a film actually get it right, it'd be harrowing. Check out "Our War" on netflix if you're interested in WWI. It does a decent job.
TheOvarianBarbarian ยท 3555 points ยท Posted at 01:26:06 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Octavia Hatcher. In 1889 she was married to a wealthy hotelier James Hatcher. They had a son Jacob who died shortly after birth in 1891. The death of Jacob hit Octavia hard and she was bed ridden with depression. She soon fell ill and slipped into a coma. She finally died on May 2nd, 1891. Because of the heat, and as embalmbing was not a common practice, she was quickly buried. Shortly after however other people from the town were falling ill and going into comas. Doctors at the time were perplexed what could be causing it. However, as the comatose patients regained conciseness James Hatcher started to wonder if his wife died of depression or this same illness. He secured an emergency exhumation and dug up Octavia's casket. It was not air tight and when it was opened the lining on the casket had been torn to shreds and her nails were ground and bloody. Her face was also contorted into an expression of pure terror. She had been buried alive.
monk3ykid ยท 716 points ยท Posted at 02:08:08 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Jesus that's horrifying.
HtownKS ยท 389 points ยท Posted at 06:57:53 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Speaking of which, crucifixion is actually the worst way to die.
Birdie_Num_Num ยท 1020 points ยท Posted at 07:03:20 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Nailed it
stoneeus ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 07:11:43 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
These puns are making me cross
wpiman ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 13:07:56 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Drink some t, it will help you relax.
BigGreekMike ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:55:19 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I prefer vinegar mixed with gall
Geminii27 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:53:04 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Just don't get hung up on them.
BuzzedBeelzebub ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:32:43 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Seems like you got the point across.
Bombuss ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 07:38:58 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Man, these puns made me hastily eject shit-sponge water all over my keyboard.
xmx900 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 09:51:02 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Don't ruin the keyboard!
pwnrovamgm ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 14:42:01 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Jesus, really?
Valproic_acid ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:00:39 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
And at least two other guys that same afternoon.
Akuze25 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 11:40:02 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I am absolutely flabbergasted that not a single responder to your comment turned themselves into That Guy by indicating that most crucifixions were done by hanging the limbs and not nailing them.
So now I have to do it.
rushseeker ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:06:24 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I was told that even then, you basically very slowly die from suffocation because of the positioning of your arms. You pretty much sit there, possibly for days, and the only way to get sufficient oxygen is to lift your body with your arms. After doing that long enough, either you give out from fatigue and the muscles in your arms finally tear. If you somehow survived, after a couple of days they would break your arms to finish you off. I learned this in Sunday school so take it with a grain of salt, but crucifixion sounds like one of the worst ways to go, nails or not.
Akuze25 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:18:35 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
That's pretty much it. You die from asphyxiation and exposure.
rushseeker ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:05:05 on December 16, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Probably not nearly as bad as some of these other ones, but the cat of 9 tails and the nails take it to another level..
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:54:08 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Nice username!
LuciferianAntichrist ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:57:15 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I'm about to cross your name of the nice list
pro-life-dicks ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:35:57 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Jesus dude, that is a cruel pun.
Sariko69 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 08:38:16 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Cross that one out
thakemist ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 07:09:10 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
HA!
FINDTHECOMPUTERROOM ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 14:45:10 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
gaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaayyyyyyyyyyyyyyy
dangerbird2 ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 07:08:29 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Hang it up on a rack.
Sir_Llama ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 08:44:38 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Interesting (and nasty) fact: the nails would not go through the feet, like in most depictions, but through the side of the ankles and into the side of the cross
SnenetianVares ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 12:37:44 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Crucifixion is a doddle.
BloodAngel85 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 09:43:47 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
The last time this question was asked, someone got gold for describing Jesus' death.
Mgb0123 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:19:34 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
At least it gets you out in the open air
baconandeggsandbacon ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 08:34:03 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Crucifixion? Eh no, freedom actually.
PurePhoenix ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 09:04:16 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Oh right, head this way then!
Psyladine ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:04:34 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
The Boats.
Jesus-chan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:16:57 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
yeah, shit sucks
FedoraFederation ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:21:39 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Forgot the name it's called (Judas something) but it's where you are lowered on top of a pointed pyramid structure into your asshole. And they never clean it after use.
BuddhistNudist987 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:39:47 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
And the only thing worse than crucifixion is resurrection after three days. Either resurrect me in a couple of thousand years when there's air conditioning and pizza or let me stay dead, am I right?
aussydog ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:18:29 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Actually, crucifixion's a doddle.
rxjalapenosnatch ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:55:23 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Jesus sure did get hammered for our sins
DaughterofBabylon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:20:08 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Something something profligates something something...
Roodorak ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:45:12 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Do you mean Suffocating?
PwmEsq ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 08:07:26 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Crucifixion causes you to suffocate as part of the process
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 08:08:22 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
What? Why?
PwmEsq ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 08:12:40 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
From Wikipedia A theory attributed toย Pierre Barbetย holds that, when the whole body weight was supported by the stretched arms, the typical cause of death wasย asphyxiation.[51]ย He wrote that the condemned would have severe difficulty inhaling, due to hyper-expansion of the chest muscles and lungs. The condemned would therefore have to draw himself up by his arms, leading toย exhaustion, or have his feet supported by tying or by a wood block. When no longer able to lift himself, the condemned would die within a few minutes.
Also remember the persons arms and legs were impaled so in order to draw the body up...
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 08:28:43 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
that makes it even more horrible than I thought. TIL. Thanks for looking it up.
ArTiyme ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:43:41 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Which is why after a certain amount of time, peoples legs would be broken. Either slowly for extra torture/fun or to finally kill the victim and be done with it.
RodanMurkharr ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:12:51 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Remember that the whipping before crucifixion was a blessing in disguise - it made the victim weaker which accelerated the slow death.
miyagidan ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 07:06:01 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Nah, Jesus was able to get out of his grave.
Your_Space_Friend ยท 206 points ยท Posted at 04:14:19 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
So what was causing everyone to go into comas?
broccolibush42 ยท 298 points ยท Posted at 06:49:20 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Their babies kept dying.
GinInsideMyTonic ยท 87 points ยท Posted at 08:03:55 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Hmm. Might be a botchling. I'll check it out and see what I can do.
ZoSoJake88 ยท 22 points ยท Posted at 09:33:41 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Thanks Geralt of Rivia!
myownperson12 ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 13:10:48 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I'll need to get paid in advance
Which means I'll wind up doing it for free and getting into a bad situatiom
GundamWang ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:47:58 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
A...wat?!
bassnugget ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:57:53 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
The comas were induced after the mothers realized their dead babies were buried alive.
ProjectionA51 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:12:24 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
shh bby is ok
Stopman ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 06:53:36 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Gee, thanks, PhD. broccolibush42!
broccolibush42 ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 06:59:29 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
That'll be $1500.
Shhhhhhhh_Im_At_Work ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 07:55:16 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
$432.00 for your copay and we won't tell you why.
[deleted] ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 06:54:54 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Bebe y u do dis
Toastalicious_ ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 06:57:07 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Shhh bb is ok
bassnugget ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:00:29 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Shhh bb is in coffin sleeping
serialthrwaway ยท -7 points ยท Posted at 06:57:48 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
fuck that's meta
snarky_answer ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 08:14:34 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I feel like I know what this is from. But can't figure it out. On old book written about events in the US?
herewegoaga1n ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 10:18:24 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
HMO's.
HugePurpleNipples ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 06:59:21 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
It was a symptom of the particular illness that was going around, sometimes people pass out with high temperature and they didn't know how to treat it back in the day.
RafTheKillJoy ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 06:58:50 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/3wuess/what_was_the_most_horrible_way_someone_died_in/cxzhgu7
EasilyTurnedOn ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:22:02 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Valmars eye
Male_strom ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:57:05 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Coma coma coma chameleons
daboog ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 07:03:58 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Lack of oxygen from being buried alive, it was a tragic cycle for the town.
bellrunner ยท -10 points ยท Posted at 07:05:05 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Well, the thing is, vaccines at the time didn't just cause autism, they made people drop into comas too. /s
aawillma ยท 848 points ยท Posted at 06:16:17 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
At some point in my internet adventures I came across a master list of worst cases of people who were confirmed buried alive. The worst one by far was a pregnant woman who regained consciousness, gave birth in the coffin, and eventually died of dehydration with her baby. Baby was confirmed to have survived the birth as there was evidence of breastfeeding. Of course I happened to be 6 months pregnant when I read this. Nightmare fuel.
DentRandomDent ยท 111 points ยท Posted at 06:53:33 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Fuck, new worst nightmare... I was going to sleep tonight but not anymore...
MrMastodon ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 07:16:51 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I'm so glad I can't give birth because premature burial was already one of my worst fears.
tojabu ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:18:08 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Isn't having a penis great?
MrMastodon ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:50:21 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
TaiwanPenis number one!ThegreatPee ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 12:57:20 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
U still awake?
447u ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:53:59 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
It's impossible to be buried alive these days, thankfully.
himthatis ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:15:24 on December 16, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Sticking stakes in the heart before burial solved that little issue.
BelieveInThePeeko ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:19:46 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
fucking shit man why do i read this shit
BombastixderTeutone ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 13:02:35 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
brb. Putting burning of my corpse into my will
walkingcarpet23 ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 14:31:55 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Wakes up in crematorium
krukson ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 11:29:13 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Is it possible, though? I think she would have suffocated long before dying from dehydration. I don't think there is enough oxygen in the coffin, buried six feet underground, to last more than a couple of hours, if even that long.
aawillma ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 11:35:46 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I wish I could find the source the article used. From what I know about childbirth (major fluid loss) and what little I know about old burial practices (not hermetically sealed) it was probably a photo finish as far as which killed her.
HelloGoodbyeBlueSky ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 06:56:40 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
๐ฑ
NeonDisease ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:53:14 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
would a coffin even allow a woman to open her legs wide enough to birth a baby???
Creabhain ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 12:32:38 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Sounds like a made up or misunderstood story.
A newborn would not be able to undress or undo a few buttons in order to gain access to his mother's nipple.
It is normal for the expansion of gasses in a decomposing corpse to "push out" a dead baby.
The evidence of breastfeeding sounds like an added on made up detail to give the story legs.
Babies anywhere close to birth are typically c-sectioned just in case they might survive. Perhaps not in this case. No way to know.
It preys on the fear of being buried alive so there is motive for someone(s) to have simply made it up or added lies to a real story to troll people.
MexicanVaginaTurtle ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 18:00:21 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
it never said she was dead when she gave birth, and as the story goes, she was still alive, and able to breast feed the baby.
aawillma ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:58:25 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I don't remember where I read this and Google searching is coming up empty as far as a trustworthy source so I'm inclined to agree with you. Although it is more probable than not that this has happened at least once in human history, the details should be taken with a grain of salt.
awesomebbq ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 13:42:05 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Uh, the woman was alive dude.
Creabhain ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 13:49:28 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
No. They thought that she died in the coffin having been buried alive. They may well have been assuming.
We know decomposing gasses cause apparent "births" now but they didn't understand this in those days. If a baby was found they might well assume that the only way that could happen is if the woman was alive and gave birth.
awesomebbq ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:55:25 on December 16, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Oh ok then
PBandJthyme ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 07:09:36 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
How did they get enough air while being burried in order to live that long?
grandmagangbang ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 07:57:46 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
a scuba tank.
PamPooveyIsTheTits ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:30:30 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
That is beyond horrific.
el_monstruo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:36:52 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Any links to this story?
aushack ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:46:45 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
The question is who died first. The chicken or the egg?
project_matthex ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:11:31 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
and that's enough Internet for one...lifetime.
blamb211 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:15:45 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
My wife just hit three months pregnant. Don't tell her this.
Abesoddysee ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 10:35:57 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Errm if she was that far enough along to deliver they definitely would have tried to deliver the baby if her body didn't automatically birth it after death. Also she would have died from lack of oxygen. Especially if she did give birth in there.
Satans__Secretary ยท -24 points ยท Posted at 07:59:51 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Gods, being infected with the 9-month parasite is nightmare fuel enough...
Helenarth ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 09:57:36 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
/r/childfree is that way
afraid_to_merge ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 10:35:34 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Oh my fucking god. There's missing one heart beat, but TWO?!
yoshi570 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 11:57:31 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
But it's true, because it's on the internet man.
[deleted] ยท 546 points ยท Posted at 06:46:55 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)*
When I was young I saw a show about a woman in prison. She talked the groundskeeper into helping her escape. Part of his job was to bury the inmates that died. They made a plan that after the next death she would sneak in the coffin and be buried with the deceased after a short time the groundskeeper would dig her up. T he inmate learns of a death and sneaks into the dark room holding the coffin and climbs in. The next morning they are buried. The inmate waits until she no longer hears dirt been thrown on the coffin and lights a match. Guess who is in the coffin with her. The groundskeeper.HOLY SHIT. It was fictonal but I always thought how awful that would be.
Edit. It was Alfred Hitchcock presents The Final Escape
Deranged_Cyborg ยท 161 points ยท Posted at 07:07:26 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Why would the prison bury the groundskeeper, presuming he's a regular employee, at the prison?
[deleted] ยท 140 points ยท Posted at 07:15:43 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
It was just a show. They did it for the story. If I remember the reason was he had no family and the job was all he had. But its been 20 plus years. I just remember thinking it would be a bad way to go.
Risiki ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 12:42:10 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Apparently there are two versions of this story, in first one the guy is another prisoner. Here - maybe the groundskeeper just decided to troll the bitch...
thaway314156 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 12:15:34 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
The groundskeeper could be an inmate, who has that job...
BillyChallenger ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 13:45:32 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
It's called fiction, you uncultured plebe.
RubeusShagrid ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:06:20 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I mean even if it wasn't a show, the prison could have employed a prisoner as the groundskeeper for a shorter sentence
Warphead ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:10:41 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
He wasn't an employee, he was a trusted old prisoner.
aliredt ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:27:00 on December 16, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
oh no no,not that.... u didn't understand....the groundskeeper was a ghost!!
karadan100 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:02:41 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Way to ruin it poindexter.
Murphey14 ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 07:22:31 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I think that was an episode of Twilight Zone. I only say I think because my dad told me a very very similar story when I asked him what the scariest twilight zone episode he saw was.
[deleted] ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 07:26:50 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I thought it was the Twilight Zone too but I did a google search and came up with Alfred Hitchcock Presents The Final Escape.
Murphey14 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 07:40:33 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah I really don't know. The story my dad said was slightly different put had the same premises. I guess the inmate was male and the guy burying people was an alcoholic so they made a deal that the inmate would fake death and the other guy would dig him up later. My dad said that it freaked him out and he'd get anxiety just thinking about it.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 07:42:58 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
From what I read the show your dad saw was the original from the 60s and I saw the remake. Thats what the IMBD says.
Delsana ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 08:16:49 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
The one with the kid that punishes you if you think anything he doesn't like. Or the one that's a God of sorts that does whatever to the town when it wants.
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 08:22:36 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Ah, yes. When you're buried in a coffin with limited oxygen the first thing you should do is light a match.
zani1903 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 13:59:15 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
You think she'd know that?
grandmagangbang ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 08:09:49 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Tales from the Crypt did an episode like that too. Except it was a dude, not a woman.
FundleBundle ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 08:27:53 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I remembered it too and looked it up. Ulric the magician couldn't count to 9.
grandmagangbang ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:20:16 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
That was a different one I think with Joey Pants.
FundleBundle ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:23:29 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
nah, I looked it up. The episode is called the Dig that Cat... He's real gone.
Ironfruit ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:27:21 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
And Tales of the Unexpected
GreyhoundMummy ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 12:05:51 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)*
I remember watching that! I'm sure Kathleen Turner was the woman? Edit: nah, just looked it up......the 1985 remake starred a woman who looked like her though, must have been that.
friendzone_ho ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:14:20 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I remember watching this as a kid and 25 plus years later it still has me scarred.
1000meeting ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:41:42 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Oooo, that's a good twist!
rudyBigBoss ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:06:32 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Fuck, that's horrible!!! D: Hitchcock you've done it again.
rollergirl1985 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:39:21 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
That's a very good episode!!
0whodidyousay0 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:10:41 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Wasn't that a tales of the unexpected as well?
wackawacka2 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:32:25 on December 16, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I remember seeing that ages ago! Pretty disturbing.
Nanasays ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:27:39 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Yes. But were men in the show. Scared the sh*t out of me.
Mr_Smartypants ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:58:49 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
"Nice try, asshole!"
aliredt ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:25:55 on December 16, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
real horror
SwallowedABug ยท 212 points ยท Posted at 06:39:13 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
There is no evidence or documentation that this actually happened. It's just a local ghost story.
shmameron ยท 39 points ยท Posted at 07:10:05 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Yep, just checked and found nothing reputable on Google. There would definitely be a wikipedia page on this if it were true.
KendallBlakeCruse ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:43:04 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Everyone who writes up an article about it on Wiki, dies.
tinkletwit ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 08:11:56 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
The "face contorted into an expression of pure terror" is the red flag. Seems like just the type of exaggerated and unrealistic detail you'd expect from an undocumented story that gets told and retold again, folk tale style. Whatever faces she might have made when she realized her fate, by the end of it she would just have been struggling for air.
theruins ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 07:05:28 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Meh, that Reddit comments says otherwise.
MisterBland ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:37:46 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
And that's what really counts, right?
TheKillersVanilla ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:27:14 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
But people have unquestionably been buried alive in human history, both by mistake and on purpose.
And yeah, that would be a really rough way to go.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:06:48 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Local where?
Like, internet local or local in some random community local to you?
limestone4 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:15:51 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 08:12:32 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
So this source seems like it cares more about telling ghost stories than researching history and gathering evidence.
Kirikomori ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:19:23 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Ah thats good. I felt so terrible for that woman..
Chrop ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:20:03 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Still, being buried alive has happened to someone before...
Sarcastic_pizza ยท 1402 points ยท Posted at 04:04:08 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)*
After a few cases of that they started to tie one end of a string to the reads finger and the other to a bell so if that did happen you could ring the bell and hopefully the graves keeper would get you out. And that's where the term saved by the bell comes from.
EDIT: ok so I did a quick search and saved by the bell actually comes from boxing. turns out its a popular misconception and school lied to me.
MichaelSilverV ยท 990 points ยท Posted at 06:19:23 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
As cool as that story is, the origin of the phrase is much more mundane and comes from boxing.
Elliot-Fletcher ยท 979 points ยท Posted at 06:41:45 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Still wrong. Originated from TV show that started in 1989. No one has ever heard the phrase before that.
madethisforpornn ยท 349 points ยท Posted at 06:59:43 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Still not right! The origins of the phrase actually originate from this very thread.
Welpe ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 09:10:20 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
The phrase actually doesn't exist, we just all seem to think it does. It's just like that Berenstain Bears thing. If you go back and look no one has ever actually said that phrase ever.
VanQuackers ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:19:47 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
What Berenstain Bears thing?
GowsenBerry ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:44:54 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
You mean the Berenstein Bears, right?
VanQuackers ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:56:12 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Ohhhhh, I get it now thank you. I thought might be what he was talking about but I wasn't sure. Funnily enough, I had initially written Berenstein, but I saw his spelling and had to look it up haha
lazy-but-talented ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 07:50:23 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
And that threads name?
TheHornyToothbrush ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 10:18:12 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Shh bby is okay
blamb211 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:03:46 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Stan Lee
The69LTD ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:32:00 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Wrong again, it's been here all along. Have you never read the Shakespeare play Savedth by the Belledth. Classic example in English literature.
laustcozz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:09:09 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Proof
rudyBigBoss ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:03:38 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Oh Reddit, so meta before everyone else!
dexter30 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:18:51 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
So wait, did we technically go meta with this phrase?
rafibomb ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:19:54 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
This couldn't be more wrong. I coined the phrase "saved by the bell" right now, right here.
joZeizzle ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:16:24 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Huh, TIL
MichaelSilverV ยท 130 points ยท Posted at 06:43:53 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Ah yes, my bad
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:04:56 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
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MichaelSilverV ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:17:49 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Heh, looks like this legend sired a lot of foal etymologies, since this particular phrase "dead ringer" actually comes from horse racing. A ringer is a horse falsely substituted for another horse, and dead just means "precise" as it does in the phrase "dead shot".
PM_ME_HAPPY_DOGS ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:31:56 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Not your bad, you were right.
MichaelSilverV ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:37:01 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
But he made such a strong point.
PM_ME_HAPPY_DOGS ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 07:45:36 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
He did. But his is wrong. Just google it. 5 minutes of your time and you'll see it's actually from boxing.
Elliot-Fletcher ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 07:53:59 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
But.... But... Mario Lopez.
EyeFicksIt ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:05:59 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
If they had put a hose with a little horn at the end so that they could yell from the grave then they could have been saved by the screech.
MainExport-NotFucks ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:07:34 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
What show?
hailnicolascage ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 08:03:56 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
If you aren't joking...the show is literally called "Saved by the Bell". Arguably the greatest show of all time. A true masterpiece.
iMine4Dub ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:01:16 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
No bro I'm pretty sure I made it up.
charnbarn ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:18:18 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I thought OPs story coined the term "dead ringer."
wooitspat ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:46:41 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Go Tigers!
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:27:21 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
The "bell" refers to the sound of Zack Morris's giant cellphone ringing.
TakeOffYaHoosier ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:41:18 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Fuckin' Skreech...
CoolDragon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:07:48 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
1989? Last year of middle school for me.
Thanks, I feel old now.
PM_ME_HAPPY_DOGS ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:31:43 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)*
Not it didn't. It's origins are in boxing. A quick google search will tell you this. Edit: Here is a link for you, first use of the phrase was around 1890 according to this article.
http://bytesdaily.blogspot.nl/2012/06/origin-saved-by-bell.html?m=1
Edit: I sound a bit harsh in this comment. That was not the intention.
ReihEhcsaSlaSthcin ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:49:04 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
No it was the show not boxing
Elliot-Fletcher ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:51:06 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Whoah there buddy... "It's alright.... It's alright... It's alright, because we're saved by the bell."
IceburgSlimk ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 07:05:58 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I had this discussion Saturday night during the UFC PPV. How perfect would the Saved By The Bell theme song be as a walkout?
mrbubblesort ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:54:54 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
In case anyone asks, source: http://www.phrases.org.uk/meanings/saved-by-the-bell.html
RedKadath ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 10:48:59 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Huh. I always thought it was from school, where the teacher asked you something and then the bell rang and you got away scot free. TIL.
Unit1224 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:00:08 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
You're all wrong. It actually came from 1856 France when the country was struggling to find its identity. They were known for burnt bread. Always burnt bread. "Never order bread in france," said the people of Europe. "They'll just burn it and ruin your vacation." France was suffering for this, as satire artists pillaged their shame for every cheap laugh it was worth. Tourism fell, and the only paintings that could be sold out of france had to involve some commentary on how awful their bread was. This continued for some time until Alexander Graham Bell invented, you guessed it, the bell in 1855. With this, they could post a small, well trained dog next to their ovens (they tried to use small children, but they were not as cost effective). The dogs would ring the bell whenever the bread was ready. And so, France's reputation was, wait for it, saved by the bell.
MichaelSilverV ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 07:18:45 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
It's beautiful.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 07:26:48 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
The French word "baguette" actually mean "small bell".
shat_my_plants ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 06:39:31 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
However that is where "graveyard shift" came from.
MichaelSilverV ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 06:47:14 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Also no, the origin of the phrase has nothing to do with graveyards but actually just refers to the loneliness of the late shift. That's the thing about etymologies, if it sounds overly interesting, it's probably wrong.
chewyjackson ยท 216 points ยท Posted at 06:21:50 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
When i wake up in a coffin and and i'm smelling something rotten but I'm not sure if i really just died... By the time i realize that I'm in for a surprise, i feel a string around my finger now I'm doing just fine! ... It's alright cause I'm saved by the bell...
TFJ ยท 148 points ยท Posted at 10:33:10 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
DIARRHEA
DIARRHEA
coldmtndew ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 13:54:17 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Thanks for the huge fucking laugh I haven't heard that in a long fucking time ๐๐๐
tntcty ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:50:46 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I thought the same thing lol
Mr6507 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:04:39 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I'm glad I'm not the only one who read it that exact way.
HassleHouff ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:27:52 on December 16, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I can't stop chuckling at this.
benisgwen ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 10:34:53 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
This is fucking amazing.
StylusX ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 07:31:15 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Hahaha this is awesome! Nice job :)
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 09:20:34 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
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StylusX ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:03:44 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
https://youtu.be/rgqPmmmycIg
[deleted] ยท 159 points ยท Posted at 06:17:29 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)*
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gnarledout ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 07:09:30 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
But, were, talking, about, comas, not, commas.
dveit ยท 51 points ยท Posted at 06:16:25 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I think it comes from boxing. If a boxer is on the ropes, but the bell rings, ending the round, he was saved by the bell.
Davy_Dee ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:37:48 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Sounds like the origin of "on the ropes"
RepostThatShit ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:41:39 on December 16, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
When you're on the ropes, getting saved by the bell is better than having to throw in the towel.
WiggyWare ยท 34 points ยท Posted at 06:32:08 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Actually, it's a boxing term meaning the round ended before the referee could finish the ten count. The other meaning is a common misconception though. http://www.phrases.org.uk/meanings/saved-by-the-bell.html http://m.mentalfloss.com/article.php?id=55688
jim45804 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 06:50:00 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Actually, it's an American television sitcomย that aired onย NBCย from 1989 to 1993.ย
WiggyWare ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:53:28 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Found Screech's user name.
neuronalapoptosis ยท 49 points ยท Posted at 06:33:01 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
also "dead ringer" as I understand it.
pointlessbeats ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 07:00:04 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
But a dead ringer is someone who is a doppelgรคnger of someone else. What does that have to do with the literal ringing of a bell?
heresabadanalogy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:35:36 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Legend has it that the dead were buried with a string running from their body to a bell above ground, which, if they were buried alive, would ring if they moved again. Thus, dead ringer.
In reality, a dead-ringer takes its origination from 'dead' being synonymous with accurate like 'dead on' or 'dead ahead' and 'ringer' defined as "an athlete or horse fraudulently substituted for another in a competition or event." So if someone is a 'dead ringer' for Matt LeBlanc they look exactly like him... but are not him.
qefbuo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:08:57 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
You can wring my bell.
Brethon ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 15:41:43 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I've spent 5min trying to figure out the best way to explain this... What part aren't you putting together?
Joe get's buried because he's dead. Later, you see Bob. Bob is a dead-ringer for Joe: he looks exactly like Joe, as if Joe was actually not dead, had rung the bell, and got exhumed.
railmaniac ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 07:31:33 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
DING DING DING!
No: http://www.phrases.org.uk/meanings/dead-ringer.html
DudeWhoSaysWhaaaat ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 06:23:40 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Screech is actually the antagonist of Saved By the Bell for this very reason. The Screech of field Crows was known to distract grave workers long enough that several people died.
It is a common misconception to think Mr Belding is the antagonist of Saved By the Bell. Beldings are the name of the type of bells used in these specialised graves.
SweetNeo85 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:36:39 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
And what sounds do bells make?
DudeWhoSaysWhaaaat ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:55:13 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Do not ask for whom the Bell tolls.
ClitHappens ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:59:39 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I wish I could make connections like you do. I love conspiracy theories and wish I was as half as good as some of them guys.
ohcomonalready ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 06:21:27 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
"grave yard shift" - the guy who would wait all night in graves to listen if any bells ring
grantly0711 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:55:17 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
This is the actual true fun fact.
CrumplePants ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:08:03 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I've heard of this and wonder if there are any recorded "saves" in history.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:25:00 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
How often were people actually saved by this practice?
HauschkasFoot ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:25:27 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
IIRC this was actually an episode of Saved By the Bell
gemini86 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:26:13 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
...fuck
Dashboardforfire ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:28:47 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Holy shit.
ScytheSergeant ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:30:07 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
TIL, for whatever reason I always thought it was related to school, had never looked into it, thanks!
falanor ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:06:30 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
You should look into it. He's wrong. Saved by the Bell is boxing jargon, meaning a boxer knocked down isn't knocked out because the bell rung before the referee could count to ten, not from the dead having a bell tied to their finger.
ScytheSergeant ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:08:06 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
That sounds much more plausible.
Acharai ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:30:25 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I remember hearing this as a thing, but I don't ever remember anyone ever actually being saved by it. Are there any sources?
Catholicker ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:30:57 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
This is where the term "grave yard shift" came from I think. Correct me if I'm wrong though.
MetalcoreIsntMetal ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:31:37 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Did this ever actually save anyone?
grassyknoel ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:41:12 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I thought the phrase 'deadringer' came from this story because when people buried alive were dug up and continued living, then recognized in the street. "You're a deadringer for John Doe."
woahjohnsnow ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:41:19 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
saved by the bell came from boxing. its a common misconception that it comes from coffins
muristheword ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:41:44 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I think you're thinking of "dead ringer"
C_IsForCookie ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:45:21 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Graveyard shift, as well, I believe.
l_ho_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:46:04 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I thought that was where the term "graveyard shift" came from. Someone needed to keep watch over the graveyard at night to listen for the bells - although this sounds a lot like an urban legend as well.
mtgentry ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:46:55 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Wow, I must have missed the episode where Zack explained all this.
BenLaParole ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:53:19 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I read somewhere that allegedly the term Dead Ringer comes from this. As in that person looks so much like the other person it could have been their corpse come back to life or something. Sounds a bit spurious but I guess the phrase must have come from somewhere
dictormagic ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:53:35 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
You saying the wrong thing and getting like 50 replies telling you the right thing is the perfect example of cunningham's law. https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Cunningham%27s_Law
badnewsjukebox ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:58:26 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Imagine just like chillin watching over some uncomfortably quiet graveyard and just hearing that bell in the distance. You couldn't pay me to go check who was ringing.
Spiflicate ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:01:14 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I have the feeling that this may be a boxing term.
SaudadesdoBrasil ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:07:31 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
The expression you're looking for is "dead ringer".
Joshfu ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:08:04 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
nope
HIs4HotSauce ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:08:05 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Yes! And that is also where the term dead ringer comes from as well! โ๏ธ๐ค
wandermike ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:12:18 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Just a bit mixed up. This bit of historical trivia is the source of the term; "graveyard shift".
kacperp ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:12:41 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I thought it's just Edgar Allan Poe's idea from his story. Didnt know people actually did it
TSED ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:14:47 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
No, that's where the term 'dead ringer' comes from.
CalmSpider ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:24:58 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
/r/todayibullshitted
Mr_Meowgi ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:27:48 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
"dead ringer"
AgentScreech ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:32:18 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I thought that was why we called someone that looks identical to someone else a "dead ringer"
Ociden ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:38:45 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I believe the term, 'Grave Yard Shift' comes from this. 'Saved by the bell' comes from boxing.
Calvincoolidg ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:10:54 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
This also where the term working the graveyard shift came from
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:29:02 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Not the only thing school lied to you about.
natron91 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:37:06 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
It's actually where "graveyard shift" comes from as well
motoscoot ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:28:10 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I believe the phrase is "dead ringer"
thronewhey ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:07:47 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
The grave diggers hired to listen for bells at night is where the phrase "graveyard shift" comes from
TheTallestOfTopHats ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:07:57 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
At least you got more karma then the guy who told us the truth.
aklesevhsoj ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:53:49 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I believe this bit of history is where we get the expression, "working the graveyard shift."
KappaZA ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:05:20 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe graveyard shift? Sounds more plausible to me.
DaddyRocka ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:44:55 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
You're thinking of the term "graveyard shift" as this is where it originated. They would have someone on "graveyard shift" late at night in case someone rang the bell.
thorninmysoul ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:39:25 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
No but it is where the popular phrase "graveyard shift" comes from. There was someone that has to sit out in the cemeteries all night with a shovel listening for the bells.
SandorClegane_AMA ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:58:13 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Saved by the Bell.
For a kids TV shit, that shit sounds dark.
Edje09 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:29:55 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
This is, however, where the term "graveyard shift" came from. People would walk around the cemetery at night and listen for the bell ringing.
wrongrrabbit ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:49:13 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
the string finger is where dead ringer comes from.
Rocknocker ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:52:19 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Sounds like a dead ringer...
Nightthunder ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:11:33 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
It is, however, where "graveyard shift" comes from!
ProPixels ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:15:18 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
It is actually the origin of the term dead ringer, as opposed to saved by the bell. Good guess, though.
El-Tanque36 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:10:10 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
And some equipped with copper tubes through the ground so they could breathe
mandysauras_rex ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:14:21 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I've always heard that that situation is where we get "Dead ringer" and "graveyard shift."
HaydenLeavitt ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:29:31 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
This practice produced the phrase "a dead ringer" if I remember correctly.
asylum117 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:42:13 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I always felt like they should have kept doing that to this day. I mean, how else would we know that zombies aren't real?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:35:58 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I think, however, that the term "dead ringer" comes from that.
EDIT: Nope, totally wrong. Has more to do with horses than bells tied to bodies.
hrabib ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:10:27 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I thought it's where the term "graveyard shift" came from.
Rossco09 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:10:05 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
It's actually where the phrase "dead ringer" comes from. And also "graveyard shift" employees of the cemetery would work at night listening for the bell to ring and exhume the casket to save them.
mizzlez ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:28:33 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Lol!!!! Show me some proof you mother fucker!!!!
ieilael ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:20:58 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
This is false. "Saved by the bell" comes from boxing.
kfury ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:26:54 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
The bells are real but the phrase comes from boxing.
KingOfTheP4s ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 06:38:15 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
TI-fucking-L
Jaco99 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 07:59:21 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)*
The same thing happened to Thomas a Kempis, medieval author of the religious book The Imitation of Christ.
Hundreds of years after he died the Catholic Church decided to canonize the great devotional writer. When they exhumed his coffin to transport the body they opened the vessel and, to their shock and horror, discovered swaths of desperate scratch marks covering the bottom of the coffin lid. There were still splinters of wood under the fingernails of the corpse. They had buried the great christian alive.
The Church then came to the most rational decision: by awaking after burial Thomas a Kempis had rebelled against God by refusing to abide by His divine decrees of life and death. For this insubordination the Church reburied a Kempis without canonizing him.
And that is why to this day Thomas a Kempis is not a saint.
Bladelink ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 06:21:20 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
If this happened to my wife I would probably kill myself.
thebambiraptor ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:53:32 on December 17, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Awww.
lonesome_god ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 07:12:21 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
In Russia, coffin has pipe for air, and bell with string. If man is true Soviet, he does not die. When buried, yells for undertaker and rings bell. Bell rings. Is no wind.
Undertaker asks - "Are you lady Gorbochev?"
Voice says "Da!"
"Born winter of 1927?"
"Da!"
"Gravestone says 'Died 20 February, 1957"
"Niet, am still living!"
"Am sorry, but is August. In June, ground will thaw. You must wait for June."
And woman is true Soviet, waits for June.
whowantscake ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 06:46:36 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Sheeeeeeit, that's nothing compared to the designer of the Brazen Bull.
themolestedsliver ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 07:03:18 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Fucking knew this thread was not good to read at 2 in morning. Fuck me sideways
DaRealDonaldTrump ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:08:07 on December 16, 2015 ยท (Permalink)*
Sooooo she didn't die initially?? Was identifying someone who was actually dead more difficult back then? Did they not know about people comatose and just buried her while in a coma? Why would it matter if the casket wasn't airtight, wouldn't all the dirt block air from getting in?
So I'm guessing She ended up suffocating, which could've happened fairly quickly while panicking.
I don't know anything about people who suffocate, but wouldn't your facial muscles go to a relaxed state the last couple seconds, or after you die??
Thingamajik ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 02:58:05 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Holyfuck!
dictormagic ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:52:06 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I read that as "She was quickly burned" and was so confused.
ataraxic89 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:32:28 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
This is bullshit
NonObeseClown ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 06:27:31 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I believe it was later declared that the comas were due to lead in something they ingested.
danawhitesbaldhead ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:33:41 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Did you write this? Great story telling.
shane727 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:38:53 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
So what was the comatose thing everyone was experiencing? Was that ever discovered?
RafTheKillJoy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:59:01 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/3wuess/what_was_the_most_horrible_way_someone_died_in/cxzhgu7
ealxele ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:46:57 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Such a good writer. I painted a pretty good picture.
Emperorerror ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:47:01 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Oh my fucking god that horrified me more than any of the other stories.
ammoprofit ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:59:31 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
This expression is fairly common to suffocation.
billyntheclonasaurus ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:01:02 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
saw a magician do this once...not so bad
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:04:54 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
That's hot
papawpeepants ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:25:53 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I actually grew up a few blocks away from the Octavia statue. Are you from eastern Kentucky by any chance?
Ociden ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:40:36 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Many of these "deaths" came from lead poisoning. Usually, lead would be in the water supply.
pardonmyeng ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:13:08 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
If i'm not mistaken this was the reason for installing little bells over the grave, with a lace leading through the ground into the casket - so if anyone would be burried alive, he could pull the string, ring the bell and let people around know he is still alive. I'm sure that was a thing but I'm not sure if that's how it started.
Paddy32 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:17:11 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
wooooooow, nice. I mean not nice.
EDIT : She has a decent gravestone
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:48:09 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
The vanishing true story
1985WasAnOkayYear ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:52:22 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I wonder how many times this happened but it was never actually discovered.
Remember your dog that went to sleep last year and never woke up?
solusaum ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:55:10 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
There is a story about a priest in Poland who died this way. Apparently he was on track to become a saint but after they discovered that he had been buried alive they decided that there was no way to be sure he didn't curse God in his last moments.
supahmonkey ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:58:48 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
If she was buried six feet under the weight of soil above her would crush the lid and kill her.
Carlfst60l ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:10:33 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
So checking for a pulse is something relatively new?
BelieveInThePeeko ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:57:01 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
oh my fucking shitting god i'm having nightmares tonight
reincarN8ed ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:37:51 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
This is why I want to be cremated. Fuck ceremonial burial. I know that in 2015 it would be damn near impossible to accidentally bury someone alive because we know the difference between death and near-death, but still.
PhotoShopNewb ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:17:09 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
All thought I am sure someone had been buried alive before.
This story is kind of an urban legend. It isn't clear if Octavia Hatcher was buried alive or not. No evidence suggest she was exhumed or even a newspaper article that mentions it.
Source:
http://dreamingcasuallypoetry.blogspot.com/2015/01/the-true-story-of-octavia-hatcher.html?m=1
CombTheDessert ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:18:05 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Do I have the self control to stop reading this thread! I hope so!!
bionix90 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:25:07 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Holy hell. You can imagine my expressions as I was reading this story, thinking that the name of the post is about the "most honorable death". The story definitely took an unexpected turn.
Urgullibl ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:56:16 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Coffins used to be built with holes in them, attached to six feet of copper tubing and a bell. The tubing would allow air for victims buried under the mistaken impression they were dead. Harold, the Oakdale gravedigger, upon hearing a bell, went to go see if it was children pretending to be spirits. Sometimes it was also the wind. This time it wasnโt either. A voice from below begged, pleaded to be unburied.
โYou Sarah OโBannon?โ
โYes!โ the voice assured.
โYou were born on September 17, 1827?โ
โYes!โ
โThe gravestone here says you died on February 19?โ
โNo Iโm alive, it was a mistake! Dig me up, set me free!โ
โSorry about this, maโam,โ Harold said, stepping on the bell to silence it and plugging up the copper tube with dirt. โBut this is August. Whatever you is down there, you ainโt alive no more, and you ainโt cominโ up.โ
animalcrackersandtea ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:20:15 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
In high school we would go up to her gravesite on Halloween. At midnight the statue was supposed to turn her head... I was always too scared to watch.
Also, there is a little statue of the baby at her feet...
wackawacka2 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:49:30 on December 16, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
All my life that thought has terrified me.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:53:05 on December 21, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Holy fuck I was just thinking about this situation earlier... I can't believe it actually happened. Well, I can, probably not that improbable, but what a coincidence.
Dicks4feet ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 06:20:55 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
How'd they not check a pulse. This sounds like bull shit
FinalHero13 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:45:10 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
She's buried by the university that I attend. She has a statue of herself overlooking her grave and the town (its on a hill). Legend has it that on the date of the anniversary of her death the statue turns its back on the town.
Delsana ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 08:17:40 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
And stares at the murderer?
yaosio ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:08:06 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Her face was not contorted in terror, that's impossible unless she was flash frozen or burned.
iamparkhwan ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:24:45 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
/r/thathappend
Skizophrenic ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 22:08:21 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
May 2nd is my birthday...js.
[deleted] ยท 2259 points ยท Posted at 23:28:56 on December 14, 2015 ยท (Permalink)*
Junko Furuta. The most horrific death I'd ever heard of. Was kidnapped and tortured and raped for 40 days until she finally died. Tortures included:
Raped (over 400 times in total)
Fed cockroaches to eat and urine to drink
Burned with cigarette lighters and set off fireworks in her ears, mouth, vagina
Foreign objects inserted into her vagina/anus including a still lit light-bulb
Fireworks inserted into anus and lit
Cigarettes inserted into vagina and forced to drink her own urine as they laughed
Left nipple cut and destroyed with pliers
Hot wax dripped onto face
Eyelids burned by cigarette lighter
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Junko_Furuta
https://ripeace.wordpress.com/2012/09/14/the-murder-of-junko-furuta-44-days-of-hell/ (NSFL)
EDIT: formatting
[deleted] ยท 929 points ยท Posted at 00:08:43 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
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eraser_dust ยท 1111 points ยท Posted at 00:53:40 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
To make matters worse, her rapists are out of jail by now.
horny_zombie ยท 421 points ยท Posted at 02:09:19 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
iirc they have committed other serious crimes as well
washichiisai ยท 339 points ยท Posted at 02:17:18 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
One of them for certain has, and he was back in prison last I looked it up, but might be released by now.
The others were minors and were protected by the government. No one knows (except them and other people related to the case, I suppose) if they've been in and out of prison or not.
To be fair, I wouldn't want to spend any time in a Japanese prison. Conditions are pretty bad there.
horny_zombie ยท 836 points ยท Posted at 02:25:58 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Can't be worse than what they did to her
heap42 ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 07:24:07 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah but justice isn't about revenge.
LordOfCinderGwyn ยท 40 points ยท Posted at 08:00:48 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Justice demands retribution!
karmastealing ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 10:12:20 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Well Met!
Teglement ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:20:10 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Heh, greetings.
OccamsRazorRash ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:24:15 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
WELL MET
Theemuts ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 11:13:37 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Countries which provide decent rehabilitation to prisoners have the least retribution, though. Maybe it's better to help than to punish, except for your feelings.
LordOfCinderGwyn ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 11:30:32 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I was actually quoting something but yes, it is very easy to succumb to your own anger and hatred. Maybe some are beyond repair though. Retribution may not be necessary but keep them away. Someone this far in can never be truly "normal". I don't think.
_Synth_ ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:54:13 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
He's making a hearthstone joke.
douchecookies ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 15:41:09 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Some people aren't worth helping.
Theemuts ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:26:07 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Ah yes, and how's the harsh (for western standards) prison life working out in the US?
The US has one of, if not the, highest incarceration rates in the world, right? Are Americans just more evil than the rest of the world?
brutallyhonestharvey ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:22:26 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
While most people can and should be rehabilitated, I highly doubt somebody sick and depraved enough to torture someone that way could be.
Theemuts ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:41:59 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Remember the pictures from Abu Graib? Those weren't isolated cases, and many Americans would thank the soldiers who perpetrated those crimes for their service.
brutallyhonestharvey ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:50:38 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not one of them.
douchecookies ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:52:19 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
If someone raped, tortured, and murdered your daughter, would you still push for their rehabilitation? It's easy to praise human-rights and say we're all equal when it doesn't involve you at all. The fact is we're not all equal. Some people are too mentally gone to fit into society and no amount of "rehabilitation" will fix them.
The US prison system is absolutely messed up, but I'm not arguing that it isn't. Not sure why you think I'm pro-US prison system. I'm simply stating my belief that not everyone is capable of changing and conforming to society. I'm saying that some people do things so horribly that I don't think there is any reason to even attempt to bring them back into society. Some people just aren't worth the risk or effort and some simply don't deserve a second chance.
benzappo1000 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:45:15 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I will hunt you down!
tancredinho ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:48:55 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Oh god no not in Askreddit too
ANUSTART942 ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 11:17:01 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Depends on what you did imo.
Steal a car? Jail.
Do what these people did? Iunno, the same or worse would be nice.
grendus ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 14:04:33 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Honestly, crimes like these are one of the only reasons I don't completely support abolishing the death penalty. It gets used badly, but there are some people that just aren't worth the risk of trying to rehabilitate. I still hesitate, because there have been cases where people have later been proved innocent, or been proved innocent while on death row, but these guys... shudders... just make it hard to wholly oppose.
reincarN8ed ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 14:50:37 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I'd pull the trigger myself if I could. Yes, it is an emotional decision. Yes, it is illegal. Yes, revenge =/= justice. Yes, I would go to jail. But I'd kill them. Because I keep thinking "what if someone like this kidnapped my girlfriend?"
snarky_cat ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:08:29 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I agree with you, but not just "pull the trigger" i would do to them what they did to her x10. I know it's wrong, I know that would just make me just like them. But imagining your loved one being their victim brings out the demons out of me.
WanderingSpacetime ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:14:15 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
i could never do what they did but i think some sort of 1984 style psychological destruction is what i would do to them. i would straight up give up my life to destroy the minds of those people. super glad that that will never be possible and i will simply forget them and go on with my life.
PinkySlayer ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:04:44 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Agreed.
Mackowatosc ยท -8 points ยท Posted at 09:09:33 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
unfortunately, because it should be.
Teh_Sauce_Guy ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 10:08:54 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
An eye for an eye makes the world blind
FuckMeepo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:34:28 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Fitting quote, thank you for that.
Mackowatosc ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 11:47:15 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
While being lenient is just begging to be next victim. Because why not? You already allowed previous crimes with no to little consequences.
Teh_Sauce_Guy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:27:03 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Going to prison is being lenient? Have you ever been to prison?
Mackowatosc ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:09:36 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Going to prison? Nope. Getting 2 to 6 years...suspended, for rape, is being lenient. And idiotic. And thats the situation where I live (and its not 3rd world country either....its europe ffs...)
Teh_Sauce_Guy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:32:46 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Belarus is hardly first world.
Chcesz wpierdaฤ kurwa?
blamb211 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:16:59 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I'd say they'd deserve what they got in prison. Takes a special kind of sick bastard to do that to a person over and over.
Arcane_Bullet ยท -10 points ยท Posted at 04:08:03 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
True. There is one good thing for having religion, we can believe there is a special place in hell for people like them.
[deleted] ยท 79 points ยท Posted at 06:16:56 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
But then you need to accept the fact that God watched it happen, and did nothing.
moforiot ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 06:49:13 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
He was jackin' it.
Pachinginator ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:36:03 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
torquing the ol' sauseige?
mrbubblesort ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 06:59:37 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I'm sure it was all part of his greater plan /s
Magnon ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 08:09:38 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Bro, god is benevolent.
Mackowatosc ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 09:10:17 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
beings that do not exist are not benevolent.
Arcane_Bullet ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:55:42 on December 16, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Dis is true.
TSED ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 07:28:49 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
"Having religion" doesn't necessarily mean "one of the Abrahamic religions."
There are an awful lot to choose from!
King_Of_Regret ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:54:52 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Yes and? Any of the gods did nothing. Doesn't change anything except give you an opportunity to sound pretentious.
TSED ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 12:22:05 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
... You don't know very much about other religions, do you?
King_Of_Regret ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:32:44 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
More pretentiousness. Yes I do know a pretty good amount about of other relgions. Not formally educated but roughly 10 years of passive interest you pick up a lot.
TSED ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 13:07:29 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Okay then. You should know that the 'other Gods' you're referring to don't usually have omniscience. You should know that many religions, like Buddhism (which has a LOT of people following it) do not even really have overt God figures capable of interfering in the mortal world.
Tell me, how does Jainism solve the problem of evil? I'm not the one being pretentious here, you are. You've roundaboutly called forth the problem of evil, which is only a problem in (usually Abrahamic) religions that posit the existence of a PKG God. You then used the problem of evil to dismiss all religions, which is such a poor leap of logic that I was trying to figure out where you're coming from. You, of course, responded by calling me pretentious.
Resorting to ad hominems at me doesn't strengthen your position.
Now tell me, how does the problem of evil cause problems for the Paganistic traditions stemming from Scandinavia and Germany? How does it cause problems for Hinduism? I don't really know anything about American religions, but I do know they don't have PKG Gods looking after anyone. The Maori sure don't. Shintoism doesn't really have any problems with it. African religions are very diverse and I have little knowledge about most of them.
So tell me again how bad things happen disproves all religions.
douchecookies ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:46:03 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
This was never the argument being made. /u/King_Of_Regret is saying that if something bad happens, whatever god you believe didn't do anything to prevent it.
King_Of_Regret ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:45:23 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Exactly.
TSED ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:51:27 on December 16, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Most Gods can't do anything to prevent it, especially since the vast, vast majority of deific figures in human religions are NOT omniscient.
ajfrosty19 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:11:25 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Is it like prisons here in the US? Coz I hear that molesters or rapist has it really bad. Like all the other prisoners seriously hate those kind of prisoners.
washichiisai ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 06:57:16 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
It's bad in a different way. Prisoners don't really interact in the Japanese system, so that sort of violence isn't a problem. On the other hand, Japan has some severe human rights issues regarding their prisons.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:45:36 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
From what I remember they got doxxed. Or some poor people got doxxed as them.
A newspaper (kind of a sketch one) revealed IDs claiming that they deserve no mercy from the law and society.
Which is why there are even any hints of what they were up to after prison.
The fact that one of the guy was said to be bragging about what he had done aggravated me no end.
P1zzaman ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:28:45 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, they got doxxed by tabloids... and the tabloids got bashed for doing it.
Still it helps to know that the scans of the tabloids are still circulating online.
e101 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 11:04:24 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Are Japanese prisons notorious? Link please.
washichiisai ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:13:14 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
HRW report which I admit I haven't read.
Prison Talk Online thread about conditions. It specifies Fuchu prison, which is apparently one of the worst.
Most of what I know is because I have an in-law in Yokohama prison, and while he's not in any immediate danger (from other inmates, or from guards as far as we're aware), but he's not doing well either. Lots of work, very little food, extreme temperatures (especially now that it's winter - frostbite is common), etc.
aldously ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:29:56 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
If you think hapanese prisions are bad you should look up Brazil. 40+ men into a cells for 4-5 ppl.
TheCodexx ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:35:47 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Pretty sure Nevada-tan is out there now, too.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 07:26:00 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
thankfully the adult criminal justice system in japan is very harsh
HalkiHaxx ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 04:18:24 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
You should go to a mental institution if you think doing that's a good idea.
shmameron ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 06:32:09 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
No. Those people deserve to die.
HalkiHaxx ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:37:28 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
The real problem with executions, except for the moral dilemma, is that innocent people are executed.
thatwasnotkawaii ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 02:20:29 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
they still fucking tortured a person, didn't they?
NullRad ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 06:24:06 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Inside voices.
GrimResistance ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:07:13 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
they still fucking tortured a person, didn't they?
AtomicTormentor ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 11:16:39 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
If ever there was a good argument for vigilantism.
drock_davis ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 07:11:06 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Not only this but their parents were home but say they were too scared to do anything
EvaCarlisle ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:51:33 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
And the parents of one of the sick fucks were there the whole time. They got fuck all in the way of jail time iirc.
d3ssp3rado ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:29:38 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
That's because Japan is barely better than KSA when it comes to crime and punishment.
drdoom52 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:44:43 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Can someone explain why and how? I mean to even have taken part in this, or observe this being done, and not consider it wrong is inexcusable. How was it possible for them to even plead to a lesser charge. To injure someone seriously enough that it kills them without intending to is horrible, but to knowingly do this for more than 40 days takes a sick and twisted mind.
BloodAngel85 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:48:40 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
IIRC one of them was from a high ranking political family
dogboyboy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:03:48 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Rapist is far to light a word to describe what those men were.
da_choppa ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:11:56 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
If ever there were an argument for the death penalty, it's this right here.
roadkilled_skunk ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 09:09:36 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Let them rot in a jail cell for the next 60 years. Or 90, since it's Japan.
swag_eM ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:34:26 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
No its not, not even slightly
hwarming ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 07:49:12 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Because they're affiliated with the Yakuza, and they pretty much control Japan.
GrammerNaziParadox ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:36:06 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
It honestly makes me nauseous, especially when you consider there are people out there like that right fucking now.
RojoBrosiiiah ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:25:07 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
What breed that type of hate?
ChaIroOtoko ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:59:57 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Many a times when such rare and heinous crimes occur in a country with very very low crime rate, their justice system get overwhelmed. And the punishment never matches the crime. Like that brevik guy from Norway who committed the mass shootings.
AndTheEgyptianSmiled ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:03:07 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Me too, if it's accurate, I'd have wanted to kill them myself if I'd caught them.
No torture tho', I don't to turn into them just to get revenge.
brett1 ยท 587 points ยท Posted at 00:56:21 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
This is one of the worst things I have ever read, just when you thought you knew how bad humans can be, shit like this pops up.
[deleted] ยท 527 points ยท Posted at 01:41:19 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Just imagine all the cases of torture that were not caught or recorded, and think about in the span of human history it is likely that torture as bad as this or worse has happened many, many, many times throughout the history of mankind. I bet that things even worse than this happened during Japanese occupation of China during WWII. It's unbelievable the depths of cruelty the Japanese reached during this time, imo magnitudes worse than even the Nazis.
GimmieDemWaffles ยท 243 points ยท Posted at 02:14:42 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I saw it mentioned on Reddit awhile ago the Nazis actually worked with the British and French to help evacuate Chinese from Nanking.
[deleted] ยท 101 points ยท Posted at 02:19:54 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
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tunnel-visionary ยท 113 points ยท Posted at 04:52:26 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
It's not like the SS decided to roll in and help evacuate or anything. It was just a German businessman and member of the Nazi Party who led a foreign committee that set up a demilitarized zone for Chinese civilians in the city. The Japanese army didn't really recognize it so while it was safe from the battle it wasn't completely safe from the following occupation, but still saved many many lives.
[deleted] ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 15:21:59 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Woah, the SS actually did something honorable.
Wild_Hunt ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 16:01:58 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Not the SS, just one guy
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:14:24 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
True
AwakenedSheeple ยท 225 points ยท Posted at 03:49:50 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nanking_Safety_Zone
The Nanking Safety Zone, led by Nazi party member John Rabe.
Dragon_Fisting ยท 129 points ยท Posted at 07:04:30 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
It's important to note that John Rabe was acting on his own during the occupation of Nanjing. He used his status as a party member to gain some power against the Japanese soldiers, but he wasn't acting on the authority of the party. In fact, when he tried to spread awareness in Germany about it, the Gestapo arrested him and confiscated his documentation.
GrizzlyGoober ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 09:43:52 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
What happened to him after the war?
Oh there is a nice section on his wikipage
jdong4321 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 10:55:20 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Oh wow that sucks
yoshi570 ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 12:02:22 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
It does, and it illustrates how good actions are rewarded in this world. If you do good, do it for your soul, not for the reward.
Zealyfree ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:40:22 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Or do it for the sake of promoting the just actions of the world, as the citizens of Nankiing later honored the deed and helped him in his time of need.
MissMarionette ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:29:47 on December 16, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
He ended up pretty much penniless with his wife for a spell after WWII and when the survivors of Nanking heard about it they sent him and his family care packages.
[deleted] ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 14:13:41 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
WHAAAAAAT
TeePlaysGames ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 15:49:07 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
The Japanese mostly deny warcrimes.
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 16:01:08 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Well i figured that much..
AtomicPulsz ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 06:14:01 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
God...damn.....
[deleted] ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 07:03:06 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Even though he was a Nazi, I've had mad respect for John Rabe since I first heard about this
hwarming ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 07:50:34 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Look at Oskar Schindler, he was a Nazi, still helped a lot of people.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:31:13 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Mad respect for Schindler as well. Schindler and Rabe, along with people like Norman Borlaug, MLK, and Cameron Lyle, give me hope in humanity
aaronclements ยท -8 points ยท Posted at 07:13:06 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
You have mad respect for him because he wasn't cool with mass rape and execution?
[deleted] ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 07:29:23 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
More because he stood up to an invading army and saved thousands of lives than the not being cool with the Rape of Nanking. Plenty of people are against such atrocities, but few have the courage to stand up in the face of them.
doughboy011 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 07:23:28 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
He went against the norm established by the most powerful group in that area, and risked pissing off his german superiors if his actions made the japanese pissed at german high command. A lesser man would sit by while these actions happened.
This reminds me of the US troops that were ordered by higher ups to ignore boys being raped by their middle eastern allies.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:22:55 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Saddest part is how John Rabe was fucked over by the Soviets and Brits after the war.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:30:42 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
When you're a citizen of a country that does mass executions on an industrial scale, it probably takes a lot of courage to go up against your supposed allies and essentially accusing them of the same thing your country is doing. It's the kind of thing that might land you in a concentration camp, just to save strangers.
newyorkzola ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 04:23:41 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Rabe
This is a well established facet of the Rape of Nanjing. It was not some sort of Nazi policy to help however. Just one highly placed Nazi doing so out of the goodness of his heart.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 06:42:32 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Probably not soy.
ImNotScotch ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 09:11:06 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I was having a discussion on Reddit the other day about how the Japanese were worse in some ways than the Nazis, and people were genuinely defending them. Man I feel sick.
Teh_Sauce_Guy ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 10:11:20 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
At the same time, Chinese and Japanese diplomats/ambassadors were rescuing Jews in Europe.
Dragon_Fisting ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:05:06 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Just one Nazi, and he only happend to be a Nazi party member, he was just doing what he could like all the other white people who stuck around.
BuddhistNudist987 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:41:54 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Just when you think you know everything there is to know about WWII, something even crazier pops up.
invisiblephrend ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 06:32:05 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
this. unlike most other countries, the chinese still to this day hold the third reich in a positive light for all of the help they provided to them.
trudenter ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 05:11:35 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
What gets me is thinking that someone right now somewhere in the world is probably being tortured like this right now and I'm just happily sitting on reddit.
ericb45696 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:25:48 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not sure if it is so disturbing to think about ( human trafficking ) that we tend to not think about it. I already have issues but if I thought about something like this every day I would be unable to accomplish much of anything. It kinda freaks me out because I do think about it when we get up in arms about things that in comparison seem petty and small. I almost want to say things to people when they get uspet about stuff, like " well at least your not a 10 year old girl having her fingers cut off right now because she did not give some sick psychopath a good enough handjob " .
mecaenas ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 06:37:43 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unit_731
roadkilled_skunk ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:06:04 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
There are 5+ threads a week on r/todayilearned that the members of that "scietific" group went unpunished in exchange for providing their research.
CuteCatGirl_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:59:42 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Thanks...
Busted_nut_sack ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:57:29 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
For the full picture of their depravity, watch 'Japanese dogs: unit 731'.
I'd have chosen the Nazis.
DaCrib ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 07:16:24 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I came here expecting the atrocities carried out by Japan's unit 731 to be at the top of the list.
DivideEtImpera8 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:17:57 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Actually, the Nazis weren't all that brutal. They were very cold and calculating and very rarely turtured except for science(doctor Mengele comes to mind).
Other than that they would usually use up Jews to work and when the Jews were no longer fit for work, they'd be gassed. Gassing is not very painful compared to other tortures. And no, they didn't burn people alive and they most certainly didn't make soap from people.
What the Nazis did was still despicable of course, but most of the time they didn't do it because they wanted to be cruel, they did it to gain some kind of economic advantage.
sonofaresiii ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 09:01:58 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
the worst i've ever read was the toybox killer.
the above was bad, but nothing made me as sick as reading those transcripts. check the wikipedia article if you're curious, but i'm warning you, seriously, don't read the transcripts. i legitimately couldn't make it through, and i can stomach reading damn near anything.
AD3stacks ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:07:07 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
You weren't lying... that audio transcription was wild
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:15:03 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Japs have a wonderful human rights record
BelieveInThePeeko ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:59:00 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
._. why the fuck is torturing a thing....
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:32:58 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Humans are literally the most sadistic creatures on Earth.
duty_on_urFace ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:35:04 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
The craziest part is where they don't lock him up and throw away the key. (The main perp)
Remontant ยท 85 points ยท Posted at 02:31:17 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
One of the most horrible things I've ever read. I love to consume trivia, so I read all kinds of things, but one thing I almost never remember is names. I read about Junko a couple of years ago and I was horribly disturbed by it. I have never forgotten her name.
Talmaska ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:12:36 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Likewise. The most disturbing thing I have ever read.
coolmap ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 13:28:16 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
It's not exactly an easy name to forget.
Remontant ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:08:23 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
You haven't lived in my brain.
draemthaeter ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:18:11 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Well I mean, he could have, maybe you just forgot him.
Remontant ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:04:22 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
That's just creepy.
ErnestScaredStupid ยท 203 points ยท Posted at 01:44:21 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I'm surprised no one has tracked down the released killers and did something to them.
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Codename_Unicorn ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:38:23 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, definitely a way to stop these SOB's from striking again.
BlackfishBlues ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 09:19:54 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I imagine the writer of Death Note had people like this in mind when he came up with the idea of the Death Note and how Light uses it.
DaughterofBabylon ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:27:48 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I like to think that Light made their deaths absolutely terrible.
Large_Dr_Pepper ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 06:26:27 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Because not many people are crazy enough to fuck with murderers.
skarred666 ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 07:05:27 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Dexter looked at his knife and then shifted his gaze to the ritual he had started. Plastic covered the floor, photos of victims haunted the walls and muffled screams echoed the halls. It was good to be a serial killer who murdered murderers and criminals.
Soulshot96 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 14:45:06 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
That's what that shows about? Hmm, I am now a bit interested...thanks.
Afghan_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:10:32 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Tonight is the night
hwarming ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 07:51:39 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Because they have ties with the Yakuza
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 13:37:16 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
If I lived in Japan I would, seriously.
This fucking shit brought me into tears. Fuck people.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 07:32:17 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
With their identities not being public knowledge, there's really no way to say for sure that it hasn't already happened. It would just be a seemingly random murder, or it would be assumed that it was related to something else. We'd never learn about it being revenge.
aros102 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 02:43:03 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Nice try, but your subliminal messages won't work on me!
ErnestScaredStupid ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:34:15 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I never said YOU should GO out and KILL THEM.
Almond_Steak ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:05:48 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Like the movie I Saw The Devil.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:37:41 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
''Let's go around horribly murdering horrible murderers and show them we don't accept this kind of behaviour in civilized society''
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TenthSpeedWriter ยท 73 points ยท Posted at 02:25:50 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Oh my holy ass-blasting mother of Christ...
I just fucking read 120 Days of Sodom and even the gut-wrenching shit fucking de Sade came up as fiction can barely compare to that.
Nomiss ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 06:44:28 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
There's a book to go with Salo?
ezra_poundme ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 07:12:11 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, it is a book by the Marquis de sade (his name is where we get the term, sadist from). Incidentally, he was a prisoner of the Bastille, and was one of the prisoners freed on the first Bastille day. This is where the title of the movie comes from.
andsendunits ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 10:15:54 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Actually he was transferred elsewhere days before.
ezra_poundme ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:03:58 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
You're right! Thanks for the correction. My mistake.
FireworksNtsunderes ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:12:34 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, the book was the source material.
solo_a_mano ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 08:50:18 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I just read American Psycho and am not sure how to react.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:02:55 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Oh my god, that last part in the book...
wew lad.
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AnalPancake ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 17:13:12 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
She definitely got her ass blasted.
imsosorryplzdonthurtme
thatwasnotkawaii ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 02:21:45 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
IIRC, the ripeace site uses images from the movie
buttegg ยท 96 points ยท Posted at 00:43:16 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
This makes me want to cry.
allie_m_k ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 04:27:12 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I did cry reading those links.
aiden_sullivan ยท 29 points ยท Posted at 00:57:32 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Dear christ.
[deleted] ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 01:39:00 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
That's fucking terrible
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 07:14:12 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Just so yall know, they were given a slap on the wrist for this horrid crime. Here's the wiki text for those who want to be furious:
"The boys were arrested and tried as adults; but, because of Japanese handling of crimes committed by juveniles, their identities were concealed by the court.
For his participation in the crime, Kamisaku served eight years in a juvenile prison before he was released, in August 1999. In July 2004, he was arrested for assaulting an acquaintance, whom he believed to be luring a girlfriend away from him, and allegedly bragged about his earlier infamy.[2] Kamisaku was sentenced to seven years in prison for the beating.
In July 1990, a lower court sentenced the leader to seventeen years in prison, one accomplice to a four- to six-year term, one accomplice to a three- to four-year term, and another accomplice to an indefinite five- to ten-year term. The leader and the first two of the three appealed their rulings. The higher court gave more severe sentences to the three appealing parties. The presiding judge, Ryลซji Yanase, said that the court did so because of the nature of the crime, the effect on the victim's family, and the effects of the crime on society. The leader received a twenty-year sentence, the second highest possible sentence after life imprisonment. Of the two appealing accomplices, the one that originally got four to six years received a five- to nine-year term, and the other had his sentence upgraded to a five- to seven-year term.[4]"
Looguh ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 02:28:31 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
This made my stomach upset and hands sweat just reading it...
skarred666 ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 07:05:58 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Mom's Spaghetti
miss_rosie ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 06:58:43 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
She was tortured so badly that her brain actually shrunk.
MrFiregem ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 02:11:30 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
This was made into a manga that I stumbled upon. I was looking sidelong toward my computer screen basically the whole time since there's no way I could see that straight on. I made it to the end by morbid curiosity and willpower alone. I'm pretty sure it was part of a volume of different, equally bad cases.
zue3 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 08:39:23 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah but in the manga she lives. In reality she died horribly and her captors didn't even get life imprisonment.
MrFiregem ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:40:06 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)*
Really? I could have sworn it ended with a shot of the concrete barrel. It's a different one than what was mentioned in the wiki.
hio777 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:30:39 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
What is the manga called do you remember?
lux_operon ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 02:35:31 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
What was this manga? I'm kind of morbidly curious...
psinguine ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:27:06 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
For the uninformed. Is this a comic book? Or a video? Because I couldn't comprehend somebody animating and voice acting that.
lux_operon ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 02:35:14 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Since it's a manga, it's probably a book. When a video it would be called anime.
cucufag ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 09:13:00 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
about animating and voice acting torture and rape...
uhh... there's a lot of them.
bee1010 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 06:45:27 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I knew this would be the top answer. So fucking sad. Poor girl.
ouijabore ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 06:58:26 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)*
I read a summary of what happened once. I'll never read it again. It made me sick, and it's even more sickening how little jail time those sick fucks got.
HeraldofUnicron ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 09:02:08 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Women aren't highly valued as people in Japan. If they'd killed a man, they would've gotten more time. It's sad, but true. What other possible reason could there be?
ouijabore ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:49:57 on December 16, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I don't know. The whole thing is just depressing and disgusting.
darbycrash ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 04:16:16 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Why in the fuck did I open this thread
purplepenguin4163 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 06:37:19 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
B.....but why? Do people seriously find pleasure in shit like this?
Produceher ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:18:53 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Am I the only one who thinks the worst part of all of this was the space between each event?
fuckingriot ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:36:07 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I don't think they happened solely on those dates, I took it more as a mark of what occurred in each time frame
Produceher ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:36:06 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Right. No. I just meant during that in the moments when she wasn't being abused. That probably hurt more than the abuse itself. Like sitting their with your wounds. UGH!!!
hitlerisnotwrong ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 02:24:38 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
fuck. i remember reading about that a few years back. i've had nightmares. i tried blocking it out, and reading this again really brings the memories back... :/
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:58:40 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Came in expecting this at the top. Absolute nightmare.
Astro_Zombie ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:06:58 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
There is a manga out there that depicts everything they did. Human nature can get really fucking sick.
tomahawkchoppy ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 01:02:27 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
That's some American Psycho shit right there. Anybody who's read the book will know what I mean.
Fancygribble ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:43:17 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
That book is amazing but it took me a few days to process through what I had read when I was finished..
Britoutofftea ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:53:38 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I haven't but I'm interested
TiffanyCassels ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:46:56 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
The snow falling on that ripeace.com website was an odd stylistic choice.
Stormygeddon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:31:36 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
That's almost too many to list, each one enough to horrifyingly kill a person.
mostdeadlygeist ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:08:39 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
If I were her parents I would make it my life goal to go full Punisher on these guys and keep them alive longer.
buttcheeksontoast ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:16:18 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
holy hell
RhetoricalPenguin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:17:53 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
How did they know it was over 400? Was someone counting? Not trying to be insensitive, just curious
PerogiXW ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:20:48 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Times like these I wish that ghosts were real so that Junko could go all Ju-on on her killers' asses and get some ghostly revenge.
celebez ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:46:11 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I read a manga based on this event. Heavy shit.
The_Shape_Shifter ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:59:38 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Quite shocking that the bastards who did it were released some years later.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:20:25 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I remember reading about this. It's very eye-opening. Even as a woman, I can only imagine the amount of pain she went through before her death. It's sickening to know that individuals are capable of doing such shitty things to another person.
Paddy32 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:21:16 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Classic Junko Furuta. When I first read this I was in rage, now I just try to not think of it. Makes me sad.
mn_g ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:23:24 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
How can people get this evil?
It terrifies me that there may be closeted psychopaths like this walking around among us
acamu5x ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:24:15 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I've then this pop up a bunch these past few years. I'm curious how the injuries were so exact. Would I be right to assume the guys who did this kept a log of everything?
LeroyStick ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:35:42 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
The ringleader of this whole operation is a free man. Sleep tight, everyone!
en_ay_enye_ow ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:45:17 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
There's this cringe feeling that something SOOOOOO horrifying just happened 26 years ago.
sonofaresiii ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:01:10 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
this is making me sick to my stomach
melonowl ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:15:14 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Came to say this. I wish I had never heard about her. It's so fucked up.
NodakJoe ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:17:34 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
This is what capital punishment is for.
xmx900 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:59:16 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Source of information?
OTL_OTL_OTL ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:35:00 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)*
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DraketheDrakeist ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:24:59 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
It is impossible for anyone to deserve that kind of punishment, besides doing that to someone else. I hope the people who did that suffered the same fate as she did.
The_Legend_of_Jaelon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:27:37 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Did the rapist get put to death row for that type of shit?
PopeyeSamurai ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:20:18 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Thats fucked. Did those people even have mirror neurons?
ryebreadryan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:02:16 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)*
Reddit loves to talk about this one but I have never seen anyone mention the equally as fucked 'Hello-Kitty murder'
Taken from wikipedia:
The Hello Kitty Murder in Hong Kong refers to the case of a night club hostess who was kidnapped and tortured in an apartment in Tsim Sha Tsui in 1999. She eventually died over a month later, either by drug overdose or at the hands of the abductors. She was decapitated and her head was crammed into a Hello Kitty doll, hence the name of the case.
Cruiser4u ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:14:53 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Or as college girls call it, Spring Break.
d3m0li5h3r ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:32:03 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
And all of it to a 16 year old girl!!
i_dont_give_a_care ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:33:46 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I think Steve-O has done most of these
reincarN8ed ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:44:30 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Jesus Christ...I read Dante's Divine Comedy, and the author's fictional depiction of hell wasn't that bad. This woman didn't go through hell, she went through something much, much worse.
It makes me sick to my stomach. It makes me want to cry and scream. Those animals should have been put down! I'm pretty sure due process only applies to human fucking beings, not rabid dogs!
CylentShadow ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:00:56 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Enough internet for today and it's only 7am
Mark_Corrigan_AMA ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:22:40 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
That was so upsetting to read. What the fuck is wrong with people.
DayMan4334 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:35:48 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
This is so horrific, and I can't do much other than think why? Why did they do these terrible things to this poor girl?! It sickens me that people are capable of doing such evil shit to others.
Superpanda18 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:47:37 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Someone once asked me what i would do if i had a time machine and could only travel once and could not come back. This is what I would go back to and fuck them all up.
PotViking ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:20:51 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I feel like the hot wax wasn't quite as bad as the rest.
Kimpak ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:29:53 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
......and I'm done with this thread.
B-612 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:30:21 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
lights out, this destroyed me. going to go bleach my brains from the memory of this story.
wilburwhateley375 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:41:45 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Wow, just read that none of the perpetrators got life imprisonment, and a few only got a couple years.
irvin_e1986 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:01:02 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
The worst part is that the pretty much got away with it.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:20:52 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
That's some Patrick Bateman shit
artifex28 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:44:40 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
In Finland the offenders would have received 18 months of parole, if they didn't sell any drugs nor vandalized any property. Human value in Finland = worthless.
Burn an empty building, and get 6-8 years of actual jail time.
rollergirl1985 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:05:13 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
This is truly horrendous...
Reminded me of this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ilan_Halimi https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Affair_of_the_Gang_of_Barbarians Jewish guy was kidnapped in Paris a few years ago and tortured/sexually assaulted, burned with acid, etc. He was actually found alive but died en route to the hospital...
LavaMeteor ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:13:00 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
The worst thing about it is that her parents knew she was there IIRC but couldn't save her and also some of the people that did it are still free to this day.
forgotusernamedamnit ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:18:06 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
It's insane that anyone would find pleasure in committing any of these acts, but who in the hell would continue to rape someone who has already been raped hundreds of times? What possible physical pleasure could that give?? Savages.....
NoonecanknowMiner ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:25:10 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
The fuckers who did that should nailed to a wall, get shot in the legs, have salt and acid poured onto it, and then he should be left alone to die a long, horrible, and extremely painful death. Just...what the fuck. That's so horrible.
HeartMist12 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:52:57 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Reading this makes me want to puke. How the hell can you be so cruel, and so horrible and get only 7 fucking years in prison.
Warphead ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:12:07 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Worse than crucifixion.
StickitFlipit ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:53:46 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Fake
Rebelninja ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:22:23 on December 16, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
This fucked me up a lot. I needed to watch something cute and funny to calm nerves down.
frenchmeister ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:52:47 on December 16, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
You left out the parts where they repeatedly dropped heavy objects (I want to say there was a bowling ball involved) on her face and when they told her she could use a real restroom, but only if she managed to drag herself all the way there and back. Also, I think there was something to do with battery acid too.
ninafromthe6 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:09:47 on December 26, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
man i first read this when i was in 5th grade. i still can't get it out of my mind a lot of years later :(
Ski_Ski ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:15:37 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
While I was reading this I felt depressed and then clicked the link and found out she was a teenage girl. my heart broke!!
jacer1099 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:30:12 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Holy shit. I don't want to upvote because this is horrific, but it really does seem the worst I've ever heard about.
ShawnX232 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 04:15:27 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Why is that link already purple...?
Starfishluna ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 04:40:55 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Holy crap......I cried just read what she went through. Wtf. ..seriously why would someone do such horriable things to another person.
THE_GR8_MIKE ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 07:09:39 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
So are life sentences just not a thing in Japan then?
Splitz300 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:08:06 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
this made me sick to my stomach.
monster_bunny ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 06:58:54 on December 16, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Easily one of the most disturbing true stories I've ever read about. Makes me nauseated every time. That poor girl. I can't even begin to imagine the despair she must have felt.
QueerlyPerfect ยท 604 points ยท Posted at 23:51:37 on December 14, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
People used to execute use a method where they would hang them upside down by their feet, and they would saw them down them middle. It was supposed to prolong their death by starting at their genitals.
DrEnter ยท 471 points ยท Posted at 02:26:05 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Really, any form of slow execution that includes the detail "starting at their genitals" probably ranks right up there.
ExtremelyLongButtock ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 07:04:53 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Death by snoo snoo?
thunderling ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 08:10:07 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
D:
:D
D:
:D
blamb211 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:03:13 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
What are you, gay??
buckus69 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:27:28 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
What did they die of?
blamb211 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:03:20 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Crushed pelvises.
flamingboard ยท 193 points ยท Posted at 01:21:32 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Bone Tomahawk had a similar scene.
ErnestScaredStupid ยท 73 points ยท Posted at 01:45:53 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
They wishboned that guy.
Disproves ยท 117 points ยท Posted at 01:53:08 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
What's the story wishbone?
flamingboard ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 06:13:32 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Bark
Dex22er ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 07:12:29 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Oh man, you nostalgia'd me good.
thugroid ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 06:43:28 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
i have seen a lot of messed up crap (real and movie). i refuse to rewatch that scene.
brownestrabbit ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 07:19:31 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I turned off the movie after that. Nope.
jmutter3 ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 06:43:04 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I watched that fucking scene when it go posted on Reddit. How I wish I hadn't.
RJWolfe ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 06:14:37 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I'm gonna stop you right there. Shut up.
Kazakulr ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 04:13:57 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Goddammit, I had just forgotten about that.
CodenameMolotov ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 09:09:23 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Remember when they scalp that one guy then nail his scalp to the back of his mouth? Fun times.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:26:09 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Isn't that the same guy who they axe in the sack?
CodenameMolotov ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:59:52 on December 16, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, they axe him down the middle from his groin until his guts fall out onto his own face.
nn5678 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:38:09 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
the jawbone they used as hatchets are heavier than i thought. not sure how sharp they could get bone. after watching it, i held one from a longhorn. I don't know if buffalo or other cattle could be bigger though
PlsDntPMme ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 08:00:54 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I saw that on r/WTF and it was absolutely fucked up. I do not recommend.
nejmenjagvillinte ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:59:51 on December 20, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
That movie and The green inferno are the reason why I'm a vegetarian.
el_figurin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:48:28 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Great film.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:39:04 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
That was one of the most gruesome deaths I've seen in film in a quite a long time.
Busted_nut_sack ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:59:27 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I overlooked this film several times when perusing something to watch.
I caved and watched it lastnight. Thoroughly enjoyed!
Edit: Excuse the terrible pun, I just noticed.
Apocolypse007 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:26:49 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Sounds like an action porno.
JonSnowInTheTardis ยท 76 points ยท Posted at 00:56:58 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, the fact that they're upside down keeps blood flowing to the head for as long as possible
ColonelKassanders ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:55:11 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
No passing out for you..
tast3ofk0lea ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:07:46 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
It prolongs their death because the blood flows to the brain. Keeping you conscious instead of just uhh draining out. I'm pretty sure I read something that stated that was the intended purpose
kacperp ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:23:06 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
They were using wooden saws to do that too. So it was even worse then you think
skrybll ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:25:56 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
That one scene with what looks like Kurt russel watching his buddy be hacked in half
Edit- bone tomahawk
j_sholmes ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:29:09 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Reminds me of Vlad the impaler...fuck that.
i-d-even-k- ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:25:56 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Hey, in his defense he was 1.Doing that on grave offenders like murderers or Turkish spies and 2.He was actually impaling them horizontally, through the stomach. He wasn't a sadist.
He's a national hero and it saddens me to hear the whole world think him a monster.
j_sholmes ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:50:08 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Fuck...That!
i-d-even-k- ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:23:29 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)*
Wait, that's Lapusneanu. We study him in school. The "If you don't want me, I want you." guy. He's...pretty fucked up. Died awfully. This is the English page.It's very useless, don't use it..
Use the Romanian one and translate it in English via google translate. I may be motivated to translate it for you if you really want to read this guy's bloody life and ruling..
Also, in Vlad's defense, he was betrayed by his own family in the end, more specifically by his cousin, the then-King of Hungary. TLDR: It's not Vlad. I'm Transylvanian, I would know.
Toughskull ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:16:12 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Ah, the good ol' Kung Lao
00Laser ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:57:45 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
oh yeah, I've read about that. they would saw at least down to the belly button until the victim would fall unconcious.
hablomuchoingles ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:18:35 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Dude, we can go slower
CleansingFlame ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:10:49 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
The prophet Isaiah is said to have died this way.
thedeadphish ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:18:13 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Or you saw the kill scene in in Bone Tomahawk
gentlemen2bed ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:43:50 on December 16, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
It prolonged their death because apparently the blood rushing to your head keeps you alive longer.
ItCouldaBeenMe ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:53:56 on December 16, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
"I'm going to make a girl out of you yet!"
vuvuzelah ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:03:10 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HBj6BBPpu2Q wait till 1:52 for the description of the saw
cut4chaox ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 02:24:13 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
And here's the in game picture used to show this torture NSFW
LepetitJeremy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:24:09 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Why are they recolting the blood? Boudin?
thunderling ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:10:43 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
That guy on the left is enjoying that a bit too much.
macabre_irony ยท 148 points ยท Posted at 07:13:33 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Inalchuq. Governor of Otrar in the Khwarezmian Empire in the early 13th century.
As a sign of good will, Genghis Khan sent a caravan into the neighboring Khwarezmian Empire consisting of 450 men. However, the Khwarezmids thought the caravan contained Mongolian spies and did not take kindly to the gesture. Inalchuq seized the caravan, killing all but one Mongol merchant who was spared so that he could relay the gruesome fate of the caravan.
Khan, thinking there was surely a mistake or some type of miscommunication, made one more attempt at diplomacy with his neighbors. He sent a delegation to Inalchuq's boss, Shah Ala ad-Din Muhammad II, to clarify things. The Shah responded by shaving the heads of the Mongol ambassadors, and sent their interpreter home without a head.
Incensed, Genghis Khan besieged Otrar for five months in 1219 with 200,000 of the best trained soldiers in the world, ultimately breaching it's walls. Inalchuq barricaded himself in its inner citadel, and as the Mongols wished to capture him alive in order to publicly execute him, he managed to hold out another month. Eventually he was trapped with his last remaining bodyguards on the upper floors of the citadel, resorting to throwing bricks down on the Mongols. Inalchuq was ultimately captured, and executed by means of having molten silver poured into his eyes and ears.
TL;DR - A neighboring governor pissed off the wrong guy and received the wrath of Khan; he died by having molten silver poured in his eyes and ears.
Quietjedai ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 11:22:58 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Originating the phrase "Don't kill the messenger"
colonspiders4u ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 16:36:15 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
From now on I'm going to refer to shadowbans as "Getting Reddit Silver"
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 18:11:35 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
you'd think he would've tried hanging himself or something. it's the freaking mongols, man! you don't let yourself get captured.
SHIZZLEO ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:48:27 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
+1 for Wrath of Kahn
MissMarionette ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:51:09 on December 16, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Hey, the Khan doesn't take attacks on people under his rule lightly. He will fuck you up.
_Major_G ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:23:49 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
KHAN!!!
ChanSungJung ยท 556 points ยท Posted at 01:53:48 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Whilst not the most physically horrid, it would be horrible to be of a faith and be propositioned with the following:
In a 1991 interview, Kuklinski recalled one of the few murders he later regretted committing:
It was a man and he was begging, and pleading, and praying, I guess. And he was 'Please, God'n all over the place. So I told him he could have a half an hour to pray to God and if God could come down and change the circumstances, he'd have that time. But God never showed up and he never changed the circumstances and that was that. It wasn't too nice. That's one thing, I shouldn't have done that one. I shouldn't have done it that way.
dbpcut ยท 281 points ยท Posted at 04:42:40 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Thats... an odd place to draw the line. Take life but not faith.
VincentHart ยท 67 points ยท Posted at 07:13:49 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Everybody believes in something.
[deleted] ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 17:33:56 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Theyre nihilists Donny, they dont believe in anything.
VincentHart ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:51:25 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I appreciate you.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:06:25 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
i'm a nihilist, mr. lebowski. i believe in nozink.
VincentHart ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:51:41 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I appreciate you.
sweetnumb ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:55:55 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I belieeeve, whatever doesn't kill you simply makes you, stranger.
ZaneLoss ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 07:26:44 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
It makes sense though. Taking someone's mental foundation away, basically. His truth has been... Seemingly disproved. Then to face death.
Rryann ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 12:04:51 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
The man had no regard for human life, but seemed to kill people fairly quickly and painlessly. This seems to be a little more drawn out than his usual MO. That might be why.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 12:48:08 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Except for the whole "Throw you into a cave to be eaten alive by rats" thing.
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[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:10:40 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Oh, absolutely the guy was a fantasist, there are a few murders in there that are plausible but I was under the impression from quite early on that he was making a lot of it up. Probably enjoyed getting out of his cell for a few hours every time someone wanted to interview him about it.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 08:52:30 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I think she said it was because he didn't want to be sadistic. A killer, but not sadistic or something.
[deleted] ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 07:54:37 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
The thing is, he did take his faith
bigmeaniehead ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 12:08:25 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Hopelessness is the worst state of being
dancytree8 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:21:12 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Ideas are bulletproof, brains are not.
xmx900 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 10:07:51 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
In theory...
[deleted] ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 08:31:51 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
richard kuklinski has no emotions. this was a joke to him.
TrueAvion ยท 36 points ยท Posted at 06:58:26 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
That'd make for a scene in a crime movie.
kacperp ยท 65 points ยท Posted at 07:24:30 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
It was. The movie is called "Iceman" its about Kuklinski's life
DerangedDesperado ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 07:37:37 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
The iceman, wasn't a nice man.
ObeseMoreece ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 10:06:11 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Plus the guy playing the victim was James Franco.
Busted_nut_sack ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:07:40 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I read the official book on his life and crimes.
It was the most captivating read ever. DO NOT watch the movie 'Iceman' and expect to get anything of his life or story. It doesn't even scrape the surface, and its utter garbage.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:32:32 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
With James Franco as the man of god. Such a surprise cameo
gentlemen2bed ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:47:01 on December 16, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
It's currently on Netflix and it is a top movie. The main actor Michael Shannon absolutely nails the acting.
greyetch ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:15:57 on December 16, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Not a bad film. I went into it expected less.
Iloldalot ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 08:21:03 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
This scene is depicted in the movie Iceman
Great film
tttttttttt666 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:06:44 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Watch his interviews on Youtube. They are car "better" than the movie.
MauriceEscargot ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:08:31 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Whenever I see Iceman mentioned here by his name I always think that people are talking about Ryszard Kukliลski, who was a colonel in Polish army, but spied for NATO forces.
While he died from a stroke, it is quite probable that his two sons were murdered by the KGB for what he did.
doc_moses ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:07:35 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, this one always surprised me.
the13bangbang ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:42:21 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Yup, the person he murdered was James Franco too.
Led-Zeppelin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:09:03 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Ah, so that's where Dragged Into Sunlight got that sample. Bit creepy knowing it's a real quote.
recoverybelow ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:32:54 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
That's a bit fascinating
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:36:42 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
The Iceman. The most prolific hitman in US history.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:57:41 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Just makes me wonder why he said that he shouldn't have done it that way, like he was regretful, but psychopaths ya know, don't care
Cheeseman16 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:59:47 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
They made an amazing movie about Richard kuklinski called The Iceman and it is on Netflix. This exact killing is a scene in the movie with James Franco. I would recommend checking the movie out
DustinWaterhole ยท 117 points ยท Posted at 02:56:50 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
The old naval tradition "Keel Hauling" sounded really horrible. Back in the days of 40 lashes and what not there was a punishment where a rope would be run underneath the ship. Then attached to a man at the other side. He was then pulled underneath the ship. The keel of the ship was always coated in barnacles and things and the man was torn to shreds.
the_nidificator ยท 77 points ยท Posted at 05:02:28 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Don't forget, after he's torn to shreds, he's dragged through saltwater.
DaRealDonaldTrump ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:41:24 on December 16, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Gyms hate him! Find out how he got shredded in one easy step!
indifferentfuck ยท 39 points ยท Posted at 09:25:11 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
To shreds you say?
oberynMelonLord ยท 29 points ยท Posted at 10:13:25 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
How's his wife?
indifferentfuck ยท 28 points ยท Posted at 10:51:43 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
To shreds you say?
elHerpes ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 11:57:20 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
keelhaul that filthy landlubber send him down to the death below!
Pulpedyams ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 13:54:57 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Make that bastard walk the plank with a bottle of rum and a yo ho ho!
KGShaw ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 12:51:53 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I got keelhauled on a catamaran once. Wasn't so bad.
irishyoga1 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:26:52 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
But that was probably an acrylic built boat, and much smaller. We are talking the big Spanish style galleons, made with wood, and never cleaned of barnacles. So these guys were dragged through the water with their backs against the sharp shells of the barnacles. To make matters worse, this would have likely happened in the open ocean, where underwater currents are far stronger, which would have pushed the victim further into the barnacles.
KGShaw ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 15:31:58 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
My comment was a joke. Seeing as how catamarans have a giant gap in the middle of the hull.
irishyoga1 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 15:42:13 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah I done fucked up, didn't even think about that
KGShaw ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:44:39 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Your explanation was great though!
irishyoga1 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:50:45 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Thanks! I always found the less discussed historical things interesting, especially things like this, it always makes me wonder when viewing the brutality of the past and how it was just accepted then, alongside the mass hysteria with religious genocide and what not, if the fact that we so vehemently protest it now is a sign of our evolution as a species. If the growth of our "humanity" is actually a product of some undiscovered form of selection.
d53095 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:23:43 on December 16, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
So we changed the meta?
PinkySlayer ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 15:35:07 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Whoosh
irishyoga1 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:41:38 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Oh shit I'm a dumbass lol, but it would probably be possible to do with a trimaran though.
swimmerboy29 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:31:10 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Was this punishment meant to just punish someone or to actually kill them?
Gronk_Smoosh ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:58:47 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
It was a little of both. Sometimes if the person survived he'd just be sent for another round. Other times it was a one time deal where the person probably wouldn't survive, but if he did, then good for him. It really depends on who was doing it and when.
d53095 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:24:58 on December 16, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
So they just sailed everywhere with a rotting carcass or two if he was left?
Bigfourth ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:36:33 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
To shreds you say?
[deleted] ยท 115 points ยท Posted at 00:39:30 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
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Juleset ยท 31 points ยท Posted at 02:03:55 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Actually back then that was a standard method of execution for Anabaptists who got caught by the Catholics. (Being burned alive at the stake was also popular.) The Protestants only shot and hanged them. Adult baptism was serious business back then.
Woahtheredudex ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 09:10:30 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Doesn't the bible say thou shall not kill?
[deleted] ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 18:08:32 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
lol
doughboy011 ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 09:57:32 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
What retard would kill a person for not being baptized?
Nihht ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 11:46:21 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Anabaptism was all about baptizing converts a second time, as adults. The name literally means re-baptism.
svk66 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 05:04:03 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Pretty ironic the word "Leiden" means suffer in german.
shane727 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 06:57:16 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
It's morbidly cool to me that you can still see the cages they used hanging there according to wikipedia but if they are the original its weird for a church to have something that was used for something so horrible hanging off it.
Timmersthemagician ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 08:57:33 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
When I was in Munster a few years ago they were still hanging in the bell tower. My ex wife, a German catholic, got a big kick out of showing me ,an American anabaptist. Life's funny.
twenty_seven_owls ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 07:18:13 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
The second guy tried to strangle himself with his collar but was prevented to do so and had to go the same way as first. Wow.
IIAddyII ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:34:15 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Nice to see people mention Mรผnster for once. And it's about torture and gruesome deaths. Well...
rdewalt ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:19:29 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I learned more about history from Dan Carlin than my entire high school education.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:39:00 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
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rdewalt ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:23:01 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Our history classes were so very glossing over everything. I can't name more than a handful of "Important Dates" in history.
I mean, other than the simple ability now to turn to my phone and say "Ok Google, when was the Battle of Hastings..." which comes up completely never.
Perhaps its the fact that to me "history class" sucked, always sucked, that I never got any joys out of it unlike math and science classes. Dan Carlin's podcasts made me enjoy it in a way that my schooling never did.
jvcinnyc ยท 555 points ยท Posted at 22:28:15 on December 14, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I saw that horrible video of Muammar Qaddafy getting keistered with that that knife when he was apprehended. I am so sorry I saw that...it haunts me
LibbyLibbyLibby ยท 112 points ยท Posted at 00:28:19 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Wait what? That happened?
WuhanWTF ยท 201 points ยท Posted at 00:42:08 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah. He was horrifically mutilated when the rebels captured him. If you look it up on liveleak, there should be q video.
jonloovox ยท 56 points ยท Posted at 04:49:35 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Found it, but I can't figure out what the hell is going on.
http://m.liveleak.com/view?i=73c_1319175706
SSAUS ยท 128 points ยท Posted at 08:42:37 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)*
The video depicts rebels capturing and parading Muammar Gaddafi around Sirte, his hometown, after NATO had bombed his convoy.
In actions contrary to international law, Muammar Gaddafi was captured, tortured and executed without being put on trial and formally found guilty of any allegations. You want to know the ironic thing about it all? Even though the killing of Gaddafi in Sirte marked the conclusion of the civil war and brought hopes of democracy, the town itself is now under ISIS control and the country has been engulfed in chaos.
[deleted] ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 11:47:45 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
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COINTELLIGENCEBRO ยท 22 points ยท Posted at 14:07:26 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I hate to break it to you man but nearly everyone in the positions to make those decisions knows that as well and has known for decades. Everyone knew Libya and Iraq would fall apart when they removed the leadership.
Coziestpigeon2 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 15:03:51 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
We've known that for longer than you've been alive, this wasn't a "lesson learned" situation.
karadan100 ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 15:10:18 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, it was a 'couldn't give a fuck' situation.
DownGoesGoodman ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 15:49:53 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I'm pretty sure his last words were (obviously not in english) something like, "What did I ever do to you?"
SSAUS ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 17:25:19 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
You are correct. That was a comment attributed to Muammar at the time of his capture. Other statements made by him during his last moments are also reported to include: "Please don't shoot," "God forbids this," and "Do you know right from wrong?"
Busted_nut_sack ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 17:02:46 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
The same outcome as every country the west has poked their nose in.
Leap_ ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 15:16:34 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Not surprised at all. They are animals and Gaddafi was the only one holding them back same with Sadam and Assad.
Sure they are dictators who had their fair share of war crimes but they didn't fuck around and kept the area in relative peace. I have friends who used to live and Libya and Iraq and things have only gotten worse with their departure.
Douglex ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:28:22 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I actually have some Haitian friends tell me that Haiti was doing better when there was a dictator (I forgot his name). The U.S. decided to get rid of him though.
wackawacka2 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:05:02 on December 16, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Papa Doc and/or Baby Doc, neither of which was anybody's good thing. Shit, people were crying and trampling each other when Stalin died. Go figure.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:24:11 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
severely beaten, stabbed, and sodomized with a knife before being shot to death by a member of the hoard.
SSAUS ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:27:13 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
In other words, tortured and executed.
Lebor ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:53:53 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
This is exactly why I think Bashar Al Assad should stay if charge in other way I am pretty sure Rebels and ISIS will pretty much finish whole proces of destrying country. Yes Assad is not a good leader but still better than anything that will come after him.
RussianGrammarJudge ยท 60 points ยท Posted at 07:03:43 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
He was raped with a knife. That's what happened.
NicholasGraves ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:33:16 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
While alive or already dead? I'm not looking up that video.
RussianGrammarJudge ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:11:40 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Alive, I'm pretty sure.
jonloovox ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:48:29 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
How can you tell? I can't make out anything in the video.
Taeyyy ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 12:24:15 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
According to what sources? Not this video at least
RussianGrammarJudge ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 14:42:41 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Go ahead and google it. I'm not looking in to that again for someone on the internet that's skeptical.
[deleted] ยท 27 points ยท Posted at 07:58:44 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Commenting to check it out later, eating a sausage atm.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 11:18:50 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Good call. This would ruin it.
Rocky87109 ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 07:21:28 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Reminded me of one of those videos where people are drunk at the beach and 2 people start fighting and the guy filming is an annoying ass drunk dude that won't shut up. Like that but with a really shitty camera and less teeth.
tricky_tree ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 07:45:50 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Can someone describe what's going on in detail?
ThingsThatMakeMeMad ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 08:59:26 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
A ton of blood everywhere. Don't exactly see him being raped with a knife, but it's clear thats what happened. He's still alive and conscious, and in agony.
I'm disturbed... Usually doesn't happen from online videos, but the fact that theres a dozen people watching this go on makes it so much worse.
calctea ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 15:10:54 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)*
About to get off the wifi first
silviazbitch ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 07:22:22 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I won't be watching the video myself (no popcorn), but please consider a NSFW tag.
longboardingerrday ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 08:10:28 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
We live in a fucked up world
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 11:50:56 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
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King_Of_Regret ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:00:02 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Nah, it's kinda everywhere. Bad shot happens all over the place and knee-jerk "da muslums" won't help it.
greyetch ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:19:03 on December 16, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
That's so surreal to watch.
comradelmao ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 09:15:49 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Fuck Jihadist savages and fuck NATO, they ruined Libya and turned it into another failed state
the_nidificator ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 04:44:14 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
DONT. DONT LOOK IT UP ON LIVELEAK.
Zehrok ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 14:37:09 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Just don't go to liveleak. I have a bit of a morbid curiosity, but I could have been content with not seeing some of that shit every time I close my eyes.
karadan100 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 15:11:18 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
You'd hate bestgore then.
outerdrive313 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:31:26 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Today is Opposite Day!
Dgamer2 ยท 54 points ยท Posted at 01:30:03 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
He means Muammar Gaddafi.
thedankbank1021 ยท 24 points ยท Posted at 04:40:19 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
There's just no good way to translate Arabic to English
wackawacka2 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:08:51 on December 16, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Agree. His last name has mostly been a matter of opinion.
[deleted] ยท -8 points ยท Posted at 09:49:38 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)*
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[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 10:25:22 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
If his name really means God-Is-Great I-Kill-You-With-A-Big-Knife, the way he died is rather ironic.
tossspot ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 06:05:37 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I think there are a few recognised spellings, your is the one I would use but others are acceptable.
Reoh ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 07:35:52 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
TLDR; he liked to order bayonet's shoved up people's butts, when the people got their hands on him they did the same.
LibbyLibbyLibby ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 07:45:32 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)*
Well if that's the case, fair enough. Such bastards deserve to experience all the mercy they dish out.
Nicapopulus ยท 884 points ยท Posted at 01:49:56 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I was in the Navy when that happened. We would go around jabbing our hands into each other's ass's and scream "Ghadaffi!"
It was a submarine if that helps explain our behavior.
[deleted] ยท 539 points ยท Posted at 02:13:29 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah that explains a lot.
zaphod_beeble_bro ยท 108 points ยท Posted at 12:56:23 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
"When a bro was in the shower, you'd sneak up on him and just ram your cock in their ass, then promptly call them gay and prance away!"
srehtamllahsram ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 20:21:24 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I waited 'til he was totally sleep, right? And then I got my camera, and I pulled down his pants, and then I took a picture of his weiner in my mouth! Butters is so gay! I got his whole weiner in my mouth!
[deleted] ยท 33 points ยท Posted at 07:06:43 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Fucking subs man
slouched ยท 43 points ยท Posted at 09:19:41 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
They really bring out the dont ask dont tell in a man
TehSkiff ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 16:51:04 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
120 men go down, 60 couples come up.
blamb211 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:02:22 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Ha! Gaaaaaay!
Cananbaum ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:10:07 on December 16, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
100 men go down, 50 couples come up.
Rogersgirl75 ยท 145 points ยท Posted at 02:23:45 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, I think there was a game on Tosh.0 where he would "Ghadaffi" people by taking his fist or something cylindrical and jab it into their asses.
It went around my high school for a little while too. The boys in my school used to call it "Rhino-ing" people. Like as if a Rhino was head-butting them with its horn, but after the whole Ghadaffi thing, they started calling it "Ghadaffi-ing."
[deleted] ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 07:04:04 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
We call it corn dogging, but you knee them as hard as you can in the ass.
BorisBC ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 10:17:19 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
We used to call it a Hopa after a player called John Hopoate in the NRL started sticking his finger up opposing players bums when tackling them.
TGrady902 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 15:45:07 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
"Rhino-ing" was around way before this. I remember people doing this in middle school long before Tosh. It's when someone is bending over and you pretty much ram your knee into their gouch. It is not cool and people who do this are assholes.
notgayinathreeway ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 07:24:42 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Fuck, we only had Elephant Rape, why didn't we think of naming it something cool and offensive like Ghadaffi?
Wait, nevermind. Just googled, he died way after I left school.
Also, I remember him now. He looked like Danny Trejo fucked Carlos Santana and they had a retarded baby.
pcbforbrains ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:42:05 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
His legacy lives on
Nicapopulus ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:55:27 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
You are an artist with words.
seymourtets ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 07:07:38 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Can confirm. Ghadaffi-ed the shit out of my friends. Especially Ben.
Ben? If you're reading this: Fuck you
King_Vlad_ ยท 69 points ยท Posted at 02:20:22 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
We'd do that with a thumb in highschool. Just jab it right into someone's gooch while yelling "Ghadaffi!"
TheComedyShow ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 02:46:44 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
We used to say "Hopoate"
thatdude9795 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 11:29:52 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Did the same thing with my friends, only to a different level. We grabbed anything from glue sticks to rulers to use. I got "voted" most innovative when I used a Christmas Star.
King_Vlad_ ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:02:03 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
That is brilliant.
Throoweweiz ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 13:11:37 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
That game's not gay at all
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 07:46:49 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
straight boys are fucking weird.
King_Vlad_ ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 12:53:04 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, yes we are.
ferguson_cop ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:47:04 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
This isn't the stuff of straight men, this is guys using a homoerotic gesture as an excuse to slip into one of their buddies or "accidentally" touch another mans dick. Telling people on Reddit about it kinda relieves the inner pain of having to hide their sexual preference.
Nicapopulus ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:08:44 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Oh man, you got me! For reals though, we knew it wasn't gay because no one got jizzed in. That's what makes it gay, that or of you were smiling then it was gay. Those were the rules.
backfatt ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:09:40 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
No.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:32:25 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I've seen too many football locker rooms to agree with that I'm afraid.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:30:19 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
thats just a scoop. go back to lax practice
karadan100 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:06:43 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
No homo.
King_Vlad_ ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 15:57:23 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
50% homo. It was highschool, a lot of things were kinda homo.
Purple_Meeple_Eater ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 06:37:03 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
/r/nocontext
_WarShrike_ ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 06:34:44 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
So, kinda like giving somebody a Kancho.
LampShadeBuckShot ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:27:29 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Which boat?
Nicapopulus ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:50:22 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Tennessee
PM_ME_A_KNEECAP ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:10:34 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Ayy, that was my dad's boat! Small world.
Nicapopulus ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:57:55 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
The Tennessee
abipes13 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:24:53 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
We used to do this in high school... And now I'm destined for submarines in less than a year lol
Rogersgirl75 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 02:26:59 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, I think there was a game on Tosh.0 where he would "Gaddafi" people by taking his fist or something cylindrical and jab it into their asses.
It went around my high school for a little while too. The boys in my school used to call it "Rhino-ing" people. Like as if a Rhino was head-butting them with its horn, but after the whole Gaddafi thing, they started calling it "Gaddafi-ing."
Nicapopulus ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 03:50:48 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Oh, before that we just called it foreplay.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 06:30:42 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
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NonfatNoWaterChai ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 08:10:40 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
OMG, I'm glad I'm not the only one sitting here wondering WTF is up with teenage boys that makes them want to shove their hand/thumb/finger into someone else's ass without consent.
Nicapopulus ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:59:42 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
These were fully grown men, for the record.
WhoReadsThisAnyway ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:04:46 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Happened on surface ships too. Most awkward COs call ever when he had to explain to the whole crew to stop doing that shit.
J973 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:07:09 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Now we have ISIS and they are trying to fuck us in the ass! Oh Shit! Thanks Gadaffi!
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:27:44 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Bizarre. Also in the Navy when that happened. Also on a submarine. Also did the ass stab ghadaffi thing...weird!
tojabu ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:23:56 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Now kith
USMCnerd ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:07:06 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
It was called an "oil check" in the parts I'm from.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:45:33 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I wrestled in high school and we had move called the "Oil Check." You ram your forearm into your opponents ass crack to break him down.
NeonDisease ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:55:53 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
that's gay as fuck, bro.
Ah, that explains it.
Franklin_DeTurtle ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:19:35 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
...Are you crazy Kyle?
wilder782 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:24:29 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Yep, we did this in middle school too
nightcrawler84 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:12:13 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Hell, I was in middle school and we did it too.
IHeartFraccing ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:37:28 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I was in a frat at the time..... We did the same thing.
Teddifur92 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:58:41 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I don't think it was just submarines, because when I was in the navy on an air carrier we used to do the same thing
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:12:48 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Back in my day that was called Kancho.
Neo_Vexos ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:39:26 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I didn't know my uncle was in the Navy.
local_residents ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:41:08 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
We even play that game with my children. After seeing it on tosh.0 it became a national pastime.
Yaboyshane ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:31:28 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
So thats what that meant! Couple dudes on my football team did that and i was like ???
Mortara ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:04:28 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
My unit in the army had to have sensitivity training because a bunch of ducking privates got caught jamming their rifle barrels in each others assessment and yelling that
Nicapopulus ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:29:20 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I like your way around the technical terms
Mortara ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:37:53 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
im not going to edit it, something something posterity...but me and my phone will be having a talk
Boldchoice ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:12:35 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Wow. The navy is really gay.
binkerfluid ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:16:46 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Like a morbid kancho!
nivlek12 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:42:12 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Sorry, a bit off topic, but I'm thinking about joining the Navy as a submariner, hope you don't mind me asking for maybe a quick PM on your experience and how you liked it?
Nicapopulus ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:34:09 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I'll hit you up when not on mobile. Shoot me any questions you have until then
CrushCoalMakeDiamond ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:50:16 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
So the rumours are true?
Nicapopulus ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:29:55 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
More than you know
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:45:57 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Honestly all you would have had to say was that you're a sailor and we'd have understood.
I mean hey, it ain't queer when it's off the pier.
Nicapopulus ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:31:01 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
That's right! It's not gay if it's underway! We used to say 140 men went down, 75 couples came up.
ferguson_cop ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:40:31 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Submarines: where a hundred men leave and return as 50 couples.
iamtaurean ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:11:05 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
In the navy sometimes you have to grab someone's dick just to prove you're not gay
Nicapopulus ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:32:27 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
We would grab each others asses while peeing. If you stopped peeing, it's cuz you got a boner and were gay.
Lemon420 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:14:31 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Kids would do that to each other when I was in fifth grade. I had no idea what it meant, but damn did we find it hilarious.
jgarcia_2 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:26:09 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I got suspended for gaddafying someone in middle school lol.
Jake_91_420 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:59:26 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
That sounds pretty similar to most navy stories I have heard
Fuck_Me_If_Im_Wrong_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:47:37 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
We did that in school... I forgot about that... In the work shop class screw drivers and bits of wood would be used
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:34:51 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
So that's where that came from. It went around my high school for awhile and I thought it was just bizarre.
NotoriousRetard ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:40:26 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
You explained everything at "I was in the Navy"
recoverybelow ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:31:55 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
As usual, military bro, everyone did this. You aren't a snowflake
Nicapopulus ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:44:59 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Bullshit. I'm a beautiful snowflake. You're wrong dad.
raviolibassist ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:41:23 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Wow, that is amazingly and hilariously irreverent. I love it.
Belimicus_rex ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 02:24:48 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah... Kids did that at my middle school... Oh god
warchitect ยท 53 points ยท Posted at 01:33:54 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I thought it was just someone shoving his pistol into his ass while they drag him away, Also not firing just prodding him in humiliation. Gaddafi is scared and so acts up all scared and crying.
OhBlackWater ยท 142 points ยท Posted at 02:21:48 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
That pistol was a knife
obvnotlupus ยท 200 points ยท Posted at 04:32:28 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
That knife? Albert Einstein
backfatt ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 14:11:48 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
He's wicked sharp
Epidemigod ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:14:07 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not actually a horse. I'm a broom.
ablaaa ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:45:44 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I died.
Moneyman56 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 14:48:20 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
He was wicked smaht
founcingfoobies ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:44:13 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Hes wicked smaht
warchitect ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 06:18:52 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I wanna see a link. I looked and the video ive seen is jerky crazy, is there another one.
CheezyMcWang ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 06:28:13 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I love that every comment spells Gaddafi's name differently.
Yeah, I googled it first.
dusmeyedin ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 07:22:48 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe it's because he spelled it several different ways in English himself.
Transliteration is hard from Arabic to English.
andr3wbx ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 23:45:44 on December 14, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Do you have a link? Ya know, for science and stuff
Fatherhenk ยท 81 points ยท Posted at 01:53:33 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
This is reddit. No need to say it's for "science" or "research". Just say you need to have a quick wank
[deleted] ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 02:04:56 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 07:36:03 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
No, it makes you look like a retard
buttegg ยท 160 points ยท Posted at 23:51:49 on December 14, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
You like jerking it to old Libyan dudes getting sodomized with knives? That's a new one.
Peeping_thom ยท 164 points ยท Posted at 01:21:00 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
No kink shaming allowed, brah.
buttegg ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 03:47:45 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Sorry, bro.
gordonfroman ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 04:25:11 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
fuckin right, if i want to go fuck my animals and the priest nex door i can do it without judegement because this is 'merica.
thedeejus ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:28:14 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
who are you to judge other peoples' proclivities, buttegg?
FuckKendorsGetMoney ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 09:42:37 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Link?
dontforgetthelube ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:03:38 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Oh man I forgot about that.
CodenameMolotov ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 09:07:51 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Was he alive when they stabbed his ass?
zaphod_beeble_bro ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 13:23:05 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I have to strain to not feel bad for him, because he did worse things to his prisoners but, damn. Stabbing a dude in the ass is not cool.
In any case I think this was a better way of dealing with him in a way that gave the people closure on the Gaddafi chapter, than a drawn out trial and laughable "punishment" he would have received.
Coziestpigeon2 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:02:36 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
WilliamofYellow ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:14:58 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Your point? It's one of several acceptable spellings of the name.
Coziestpigeon2 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:19:19 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
So you are correct. I initially doubted that because it looks like it was phonetically sounded out by a South Carolina third-grader.
But I am wrong.
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 07:16:05 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
He earned it though
Tallon5 ยท -7 points ยท Posted at 08:20:39 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
No he didn't, idiot.
notwastingmyuber4u ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 12:05:42 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I agree. As far as military dictators go, Gaddafi was reasonably benevolent. Definitely not sodomized-with-a-knife bad.
lostmylogininfo ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 06:10:14 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Oddly enough I know how bad this is..... To a lesser degree. Friend in highschool was joking and stabbing me with A closed pocket knife..... It was open!!!! He thought I was laughing not screaming in pain.
viktorlogi ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 15:33:52 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah but was it in your asshole?
lostmylogininfo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:28:36 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
No.... No it was just outside
DailyBrainGain ยท 673 points ยท Posted at 23:11:30 on December 14, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Anyone who met Vlad the Impaler on the wrong day or anyone who ran into the Brazen Bull
Slaycube ยท 250 points ยท Posted at 01:23:02 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I feel anyone that got Scaphism also had it rough. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scaphism
PM_ME_CHUBBY_CHICKS ยท 198 points ยท Posted at 01:36:21 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
So, the only record we have of this "Scaphism" is 3rd party accounts who also just happened to be enemies of Persia. With no physical evidence, or even anyone proclaiming that they actually carried out the sentence, it's much more likely it was anti-Persian propaganda.
EndOfTheWorldGuy ยท 148 points ยท Posted at 02:16:48 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Is it though? On the scale of "fucked up things humans do to each other" it isn't that unbelievable.
doodlebug001 ยท 42 points ยท Posted at 06:34:22 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
It's a lot of effort and wasted honey...
masterminja ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 07:03:02 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
When your killing someone you really dont like that effort is time well spent.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 10:22:09 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Effort, sure, but that much money? I'm sure you could think of something cheaper. And if you want to set an example, you should go for more spectacular and less disgusting.
ARM_Alaska ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:00:58 on May 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
*you're
oneinchterror ยท 23 points ยท Posted at 06:58:42 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
The most effective propaganda is the believable kind.
MrHanSolo ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 06:59:26 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
He didn't say it was unbelievable, he said it was unlikely given the lack of evidence. Someone certainly dreamed it up, and people still claim that it happened, so it's definitely believable.
Dragon_Fisting ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 07:07:52 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
It also sounds exactly like rumors that your enemy would spread to discredit you. The Japanese had rumors that American's were actually Oni and being captured meant you'd be eaten, but turns out American GI's eat C Rations.
MiffedCanadian ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:50:53 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah I can't believe some people here think effort and amount of honey are what is preventing this from happening.
greffedufois ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:02:01 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Innumerment seems pretty awful too.
ColonCaretCloseParen ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:55:53 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
What is that? I googled it but nothing came up.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:29:39 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
to be fair the persians are famous for convoluted torture
ColonCaretCloseParen ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:53:04 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I don't know it probably happened somewhere. We've had it on the books as a horrible way to kill someone for 2500 years during which I would guess over half of all humans that have ever existed lived and died. Even if the Persians never used it, someone probably did at some point.
T3chnopsycho ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:29:07 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I agree that the sources aren't really reliable. But then again. Is this something you cannot imagine humans doing?
It isn't really something that seems to be beyond human cruelty.
NeverBeenStung ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:27:36 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I'm with the other guy, humans have done such unbelievably fucked up things to each other. I think it's very likely it has happened.
TiffanyCassels ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 01:44:53 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I don't think I can un-see that description. Wow.
DailyBrainGain ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 02:07:26 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
What the actual fuck?
nerd-basher ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 09:37:53 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Wasnt the person who created this the first victem?
ekclone ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:55:13 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, Perillos proposed to Phalaris a new torture for criminals, but Phalaris was disgusted by this idea and ordered that Perillos (the inventor) to hop in so he could hear the sounds of the tortured, when Perillos jumped in they locked him in and a fire was set under the the bull. [source]
nerd-basher ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:40:34 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I thought i remembered it from 1000 ways to die
RJWolfe ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 06:12:56 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
He only did it to thieves, though.
Also, he kind of nailed turbans to the heads of two emissaries because they didn't take off the turbans, which is a show of respect. Like, you take down your hat when you talk to someone important.
DraketheDrakeist ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 11:27:37 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Was looking for the brazen bull. The worst part is, that isn't even a killing technique, just a torture method. I heard the only person it was ever practiced on was the person who developed it in an ironic twist.
Illier1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:36:24 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
The inventor was tasked to make it by a cruel king in Syracuse I think. He then promptly threw the inventor in so no one else could replicate it
XxsquirrelxX ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:17:50 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Ironically, the guy who invented the Brazen Bull was later thrown inside it.
vuvuzelah ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:01:17 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LeL86F8ecw0 alittle something like this?
sonic_the_groundhog ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:40:40 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
The bull has always stuck in my head as one of the worst possible ways, god damn
Illier1 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:49:24 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I would feel being impaled up the poop hole would be worse.
sonic_the_groundhog ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:08:59 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Idk itd probably be over quicker
Illier1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:57:10 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
It isn't. It can take days to die.
ridik_ulass ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:48:49 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
everyone always mentioned the "brazen Bull" like its a big deal but its got to be on par with being burned at the steak, or killed with fire in some manner which in human history is fairly common.
ismetrix ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:59:35 on December 16, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Stake... steak is what is left.
dolphin-safetuna ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:34:02 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Reminds me of Amnesia:The Dark Descent
[deleted] ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 02:02:49 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
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LMac8806 ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 02:13:25 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Not really anything to work about if you're in the adult film industry.
Internet_Exploder ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:12:58 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Does he seem like the impaling type or is he more of a poker?
thatwasnotkawaii ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:34:03 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Let me guess, Adidas jogging pants and jacket?
FlyingFloyd7 ยท 139 points ยท Posted at 02:07:01 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Not the most horrible but pretty gruesome Ralph ignatowski in WW2 had his testicles put in his eyes and his eyes out in his testicles.
[deleted] ยท 141 points ยท Posted at 02:39:57 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Damn pov for sex
BelieveInThePeeko ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 13:02:36 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
what a face
PM_ME_CHEEKY_NANDOS ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:21:31 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Eye balls full of ass.
UnknownPleasurz ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:25:54 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Savage.
Tired-Swine ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:42:46 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Oh jeeze
[deleted] ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 04:34:59 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)*
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Cannibal_Buress ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:13:41 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I feel much differently about that card knowing it actually happened.
dijibaby7 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 08:22:08 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
DAMN you just reminded me of something. When I was an EMT a few years ago we got a call from a psych facility. Went in and there was this HUGE guy, like 6'6" 280 lbs. He had found/grabbed/stolen (don't remember what they said) some of those shitty scissors that little kids use to cut paper. Made it about 1/3 of the way trying to cut off his balls with those dull pieces of shit. So we bandage him up and take him to the hospital. In the back of the ambulance I ask him why. Told me he wanted to cut off his balls, then pull his eyeballs out, and put his balls in his eyes and his eyes in his ball sack.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:42:21 on December 16, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
The Dennis Reynolds.
TheHornyToothbrush ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:35:39 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
So that actually did happen once.
bonehed ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:36:30 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Jim's older brother.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:48:31 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Any relation to Jim from Taxi?
StormCrow1770 ยท 479 points ยท Posted at 23:27:29 on December 14, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Being stuffed into a sack with weasels, thrown into a river and additionally not knowing how to swim.
Or having someone hold a rat in a bucket against their stomach while heating the bucket so the rat chews through them to escape.
I think getting killed by a desperate animal is a pretty bad way to die.
[deleted] ยท 55 points ยท Posted at 05:05:51 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
So like, what the Tickler did
teampimp ยท 50 points ยท Posted at 07:00:42 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Or Verone in 2 Fast 2 Furious but yes
jackinab0x ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:52:56 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Or Steve Jobs in RoboCop 2
goblue10 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 09:11:06 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
IS THERE GOLD IN THE VILLAGE?!
stagfury ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:46:54 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
stab stab
I'm still sad that the Tickler died in s2 and robbed us of this beautiful scene.
the-cartmaniac ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:53:57 on December 19, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Where is the brotherhood?
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:44:49 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
That was a real thing
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:13:26 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Well yeah. But it just reminds me of it
aperson ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:24:52 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Or the Ice Man.
Implausibilibuddy ยท 70 points ยท Posted at 23:51:35 on December 14, 2015 ยท (Permalink)*
This is AskHistorians mate, got a source?I know the rat thing is real.
StormCrow1770 ยท 70 points ยท Posted at 23:55:56 on December 14, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I can't remember the weasel + sack details exactly, but I remember some ancient culture (maybe Mesopotamia?) doing something similar (might have been a cat instead of weasel).
Edit: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poena_cullei
MirthMannor ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 02:24:20 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Egyptians and Romans would use a sack full of snakes and/or cats.
Pretty sure it was just torture---sort of a water boarding plus ... Cat scratches.
FlowAffect ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 07:22:33 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Egyptians would never hurt cats in such a stupid way.
Satans__Secretary ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:11:25 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Or snakes.
Implausibilibuddy ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 00:00:22 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Thanks :)
That is pretty brutal...
paulthenarwhal ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:46:32 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I remember it as a snake, a dog, and a monkey in the sack.
BarneyIStinson ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:57:38 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Can you please explain why would they put live animal into the sewn sack with a human inside then throw em to water? Dumb me can't comprehend the reason behind it.
crop028 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:04:13 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Here is a non-mobile link. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poena_cullei
TrojanThunder ยท 53 points ยท Posted at 00:08:39 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Nope this is /r/AskReddit .
Implausibilibuddy ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 00:14:45 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Well shit O.o
TTRann ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 08:52:24 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Nope, this is Patrick!
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 06:36:07 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I know Game Of Thrones did it
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:12:07 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Rat thing: 2 fast, 2 furious.
notgayinathreeway ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:25:59 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I watched a documentary on the rat thing, I think it was called 2Fast2Furious or something.
Sir_Von_Tittyfuck ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:38:26 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I know the rat thing is real.
I saw it on 2fast2furious
Hakanaiyo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:22:21 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Game of Thrones.
el_monstruo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:57:33 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I only remember the rat thing from 2 Fast 2 Furious
Slimh22 ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 04:28:39 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I was told a story in highschool by my history teacher. A kid in Sparta about 14 years old was killed by a fox. He stole the fox to eat and when the higher ups discovered the missing fox they had all the boys line up and stand there untill someone confessed. The punishment was so much worse for stealing so the boy kept quiet and after a while he dropped dead because the fox clawed his way into the boys chest because he hid him in his shirt. No one saw the boy bleeding because they all wear red. Don't know if it's true but that sounds awful.
RichardRogers ยท 23 points ยท Posted at 08:18:07 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Next time someone is questioning you, imagine trying to keep a fox inside your shirt without them noticing.
Hint: it's not possible.
Slimh22 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:32:51 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Well yea I know it's not. How would he keep it still but its just a story I was told about.
IwannaBeSadated ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:40:08 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
The rat thing is used in the movie Sinister 2
_____D34DP00L_____ ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 07:07:57 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
And game of thrones
Curious_Doerge ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:59:24 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Source: Game of Thrones.
all_is_temporary ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:19:29 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Do it to Julia.
MoarStruts ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:39:03 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Technically that was rats gnawing through someone's cheeks, not their stomach.
CoyoteTheFatal ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:03:55 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
The rat thing was in a movie. What movie was it?
teampimp ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 06:59:45 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
2 Fast 2 Furious
Not_So_Slow ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 12:03:36 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Ratatouille
icarus14 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:34:18 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
The weasel thing thing was early roman I think, and they did it traitors
Tattered_Colours ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:11:04 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I feel like knowing how to swim wouldn't help you much if you were in a sack anyway.
THE_GR8_MIKE ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:15:17 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Did you see 2 Fast 2 Furious?
twenty_seven_owls ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:15:58 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I think that even if you know how to swim, it won't help much. The person in question would surely be tied up prior to being put into a sack.
Also, I've heard it weren't only weasels. They could use any animal able to bite and/or scratch - cats, roosters, even venomous snakes.
ButtcheeksMagoo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:42:32 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I remember them doing the rat thing in 2 fast 2 furious.
CM1288 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:51:04 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah. The Japanese used rat torture on POWs during the wars. They also did bamboo torture, which has got to be a real pain.
seattleite23 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:48:15 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Something tells me you're not a big fan of Lannisters.
qwertyui_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:12:43 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Why were they thrown into the water with animals in the sacks? Did the animals panic and rip them to shreds or something?
StormCrow1770 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:20:31 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Yep
zarfytezz1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:05:18 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
What's the point of the weasels, if you're just going to drown?
blamb211 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:06:06 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
So I said in that case... In that case, what do you have?
He said all I got right now is this box of one dozen starving, crazed weasels.
So I said ...Okay I'll take that.
Alaskensis ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:46:14 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
What's in Room 101?
d53095 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:25:30 on December 16, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Someone doesn't like rodents
chinchillazilla54 ยท 175 points ยท Posted at 04:45:04 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)*
A huge number of people died from being trapped in their burning homes in the immediate aftermath of the bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Some people described trying to help their family members but being unable to, having to listen to them burn to death instead.
If you escaped that fate, you might be staggering around with your eyeballs melted out of their sockets and your skin sloughing off your bones.
If you escaped that fate, you might still die when you drank water -- people who had radiation burns were in such severe shock that water intake tended to kill them. And they were very thirsty.
And if you escaped all of that, you might still starve to death.
Jed_Moseby ยท 35 points ยท Posted at 08:53:16 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Too late for anyone to care but my neighbour told me an amazing story after Hiroshima.
Her father was a war photographer and went to Hiroshima after the bomb...and he learnt of two Australian (i think) soldiers were in a POW building. They snuck outside for a cigarette when the bomb dropped. The entire building was demolished, but the brick wall they were behind mostly survived. Except for the top that fell off and landed on them. But they survived and everyone in the factory died!
da_choppa ยท 25 points ยท Posted at 07:06:12 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
An excerpt of an animated film about the Hiroshima bomb.
Fair warning: This accurately depicts the horrors of the bombing and viewing may scar you for life.
ikannfrancais ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 08:32:24 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
This is from the movie adaptation of the comic Barefoot Gen. Highly recommend both.
chinchillazilla54 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 08:59:31 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
In a similar vein, here's a website with descriptions and drawings by survivors.
Woahtheredudex ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 09:43:23 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Welp, that and the video has now completely changed my view on the bombings.
Shadowex3 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 14:31:16 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Hell on earth is the only way to describe the bombings.
And even more horrifying is the thought of what an invasion would have cost. The most conservative casualty counts were so high that every single purple heart awarded since then has been from the batch made for that invasion.
Woahtheredudex ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:59:23 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
About that.
http://historynewsnetwork.org/article/1801
ofcourseimanxious ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:45:57 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Can I ask how it changed? I had a radically different feeling about them myself before I learned about them, I'm curious to know what others feel when they've seen a new perspective.
Woahtheredudex ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:49:23 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I always felt the bombings were perfectly justified, to prevent an invasion of Japan that would have lasted years and cost more lives. Whenever anyone would even bring up the concept of the bombings being wrong I would scoff and consider the notion ridiculous.
Now though, after having read some more into it...I feel completely different about it. While the bombings did technically save lives by preventing an invasion of Japan I feel as if there were other options that could have been used.(Maybe instead of bombing the cities how about using the bombs as a show of force to get the Japanese administration to back down? How about instead of bombing CIVILIAN CITES they instead target important military sites?)
I perfectly understand why it was done but I can no longer feel they were justified in my mind.
frenchmeister ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:44:01 on December 16, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Not to mention the fact that while fewer people died than if we had simply invaded, their deaths were almost certainly more painful/drawn out, especially if you include those who developed cancer from the radiation. It's hard to say which is the better of the two options.
marcus_colin ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 08:18:20 on December 16, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
They expected anywhere from 5 to 10 million Japanese casualties if we had gone ahead with the invasion.
marcus_colin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:17:20 on December 16, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
The unfortunate reality is that your strategy probably wouldn't have worked. By the end of the war the Japanese were committed to fighting down to the last civilian, and had we conducted the invasion it was expected they would have armed civilians to attack arriving soldiers as well. Just attacking military sites would have done little to affect their will to fight, unlike what destroying a civilian city did. It's not exactly something I think we as a nation are proud of doing, but it was what kinda had to be done to prevent the loss of millions more lives.
What I've noticed few people have mentioned is that while they expected anywhere from half a million to a million deaths on the American side from the invasion, the Secretary of State's staff predicted anywhere from 5 to 10 million deaths on the Japanese side including armed civilians. While the 1-200 thousand in Japan that ended up dying was really bad, especially with the radiation and all of the other effects, I think it was at least a little better than the alternative.
The scary thing is that we had to use the bomb twice to get them to surrender. The fact that the Japanese didn't look like they were going to surrender after losing an entire city to one bomb until we dropped another seems extremely frightening.
Rhaka ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:30:43 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Ended up watching the whole movie. Good shit. Terrible shit too. But good shit.
natureculls ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 07:59:24 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Might I get a description? Too scared; didn't click.
da_choppa ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 08:10:02 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Basically what /u/chinchillazilla54 said: melted skin, eyeballs blown out of their sockets, people, animals, plants, buildings burnt to a crisp.
natureculls ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 08:13:02 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Thank you. Eyeballs blown out of their sockets would have fucked me up a lot. I can't do eye gore. For some reason, I didn't fucking read the original post and was going to click on the link.
I should read things in threads like this.
chinchillazilla54 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 08:25:19 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, eyeball stuff ruins my life, usually. I can only handle this because it's animated.
natureculls ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 08:35:52 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Toony eyeball stuff is fine, but they said "realistic".
ShadysWorld ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 12:01:16 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
It really isn't that bad. Intriguing, but not that bad.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 12:58:45 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)*
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ShadysWorld ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:41:14 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
What, my comment or the video?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:11:33 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)*
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ShadysWorld ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:52:48 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
But it seriously wasn't that bad.
natureculls ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:59:57 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
To be fair, when something is your biggest fear, a graphic image of that happening to someone is pretty bad.
ShadysWorld ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:50:16 on December 16, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Your fear is having your eyes melt out of their sockets?
natureculls ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:41:16 on December 16, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I somehow thought this was in response to something else. Sorry about that! I was also talking to someone about Hisashi Ouchi; one of my biggest irrational fears is radiation poisoning. Shoulda checked the context.
ShadysWorld ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:12:02 on December 16, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I'm a bicycle!
chinchillazilla54 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 08:24:37 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Oh, my sweet summer child. What do you know of fear?
natureculls ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 08:36:18 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
More than I'd like to admit. Radiation poisoning is rather an intense phobia of mine. I bet this is a reference I'm not getting, though. ;)
BelieveInThePeeko ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:01:39 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
thank you for the warning, i seriously cannot watch stuff like that
ultrachilled ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:05:41 on December 16, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
And that was for school children!? Lovely :-/
learnyouahaskell ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 07:50:33 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
chinchillazilla54 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 08:30:34 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I mean, it's based on a guy's autobiography, so yeah. Pretty accurate.
learnyouahaskell ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 09:33:21 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)*
Anybody with the slightest bit of observation, knowledge of their own body and basic experience would scoff at the sloppy and lazy horror of the immediate "medical" effects. Sloppy animation and reasoning/concept there; if you can't figure out the context you shouldn't be responding except to get understanding. Oh, do you have a background in physics, too?
chinchillazilla54 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:12:03 on December 16, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
k
Epic_Spitfire ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 11:56:29 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
It was horrible and all that, knowing that this all really happened, but the people with no eyes all staggering along in the same direction was actually kind of silly, probably the animation.
TeePlaysGames ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:57:11 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
The Tokyo firebombings were much worse. Asphalt streets would melt into a thick tar. Then, people would run out of burning houses, get a few feet into the road before their feet sunk down into the superheated street, which would make them fall, face-first into blisteringly hot asphalt, where they'd die.
nagrom7 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:08:23 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Also there were many people who would have survived the bomb who then drank the water, not knowing that it was highly irradiated.
UncleSquamous ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:40:15 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Oof. The ant-walking alligator people.
karadan100 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:23:34 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
It's the price you pay for freedom.
Fuck_Me_If_Im_Wrong_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:43:41 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
And if you didn't starve to death, cancer could get you
Wheres_The_Pepsi ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:19:20 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Watch Barefoot Gen. That movie captured the horror of the Atomic Bombings better than anything I've seen, and it's even crazier with the fact that it's animated.
DaRealDonaldTrump ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:44:46 on December 16, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
And if you escaped staving...... radiation
timidforrestcreature ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 12:46:27 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
American version of events as per my history textbook: "america saving lives"
Shadowex3 ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 14:32:52 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Conservative casualty estimates for an invasion were so high that every single purple heart awarded since ww2 has been from the batch made for the invasion of Japan. Millions of dead on each side was the low estimate.
timidforrestcreature ยท -9 points ยท Posted at 14:59:50 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
An estimate made by people eager to use the bomb to not risk american soldiers, hardly an unbiased source.
Not that committing genocide because you think it would save lives, is not a abhorrent war crime anyway.
Shadowex3 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 15:40:50 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
An estimate made even by people who didn't know about the bomb.
timidforrestcreature ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 16:00:43 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)*
Cite sources
Edit: seems your middle school sources are hard to come by after all.
marcus_colin ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 08:21:04 on December 16, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
timidforrestcreature ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:32:38 on December 16, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
You are citing an estimate by Americans for the american military, the most highly suspect source you can find basically.
Also from the same source you are citing.
marcus_colin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:49:15 on December 16, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Which is also the only source you can find because only the Americans and the British were planning an invasion of Japan. And remember the earlier point made that the people who planned the invasion, with the exception of one or two top generals, knew nothing about the bomb and were looking at the invasion from the perspective of it being the only option.
timidforrestcreature ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 09:56:37 on December 16, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
There are other sources, people of the time weren't uniquely in the position to guess casualties of war.
Possibly, I haven't vetted that claim. The point remains though as far as sources go this one is potentially highly biased. To quote truman's reason to use the bomb "We have used it in order to shorten the agony of war, in order to save the lives of thousands and thousands of young Americans". The only reason mentioned is to save american soldiers lives, Japanese civilians aren't even an afterthought, making that particular source highly suspect whatever their account may be.
That's not to say estimates of potentially unbiased sources don't exist saying that more lives would be lost if bomb don't exist, the point is they are a guess, not a fact as my american textbook passed it off as (and many of them are highly biased).
Not to mention dropping the bombs was an act of genocide and an abhorrent war crime against all the rules of war. The Americans refuse to acknowledge this and insist on describing the act of genocide as " saving lives".
marcus_colin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:23:20 on December 16, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
The President isn't going to tell his nation that they dropped the bomb to save the lives of people they had to fight for 4 years. He's going to tell them that they did it for them. You have to remember that we're talking about a country that will have just finished a years-long global war on two fronts against multiple enemies on top of spending billions in development to keep up with whatever the Germans might have been developing. No one is going to want to hear anything positive about their enemy, especially right after all of that.
I can't really speak for the people who wrote your textbook. They can be quite biased.
Woah, woah. Genocide? You're calling dropping two atomic bombs and losing maybe 2-300K lives genocide when 12 million people were systematically murdered just a continent away? And if memory (and Wikipedia) serve correct, one of the purposes of the rules of war are to end said war as quickly as possible. That is exactly what the purpose of the bomb was. End the war before millions more die. And that is exactly what the bomb did, as far as we can see. Admittedly, the strategy used turned out to be controversial, and there may have been other, possibly better alternatives. But as far as could have been seen at the time, using the bomb was the best option to quickly end the war with less lives lost.
timidforrestcreature ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 10:40:14 on December 16, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Of course, it seems you have trouble confronting this truth, just like virtually all Americans I have met.
Those are some grade A mental gymnastics if you think that in anyway endorses genocide of civilians at an unprecedented scale. Rule #1 as per your own source is "Protecting both combatants and non-combatants from unnecessary suffering."
According to the person who used the bomb it was to save american lives.
You don't know that.
That is at best your opinion, not a fact.
You don't know that, again your passing off tour opinion as a fact. As it stands he stated his intention was to save american lives (by committing genocide).
marcus_colin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:58:09 on December 16, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
You seem to have forgotten the other part of that sentence. The part about how 12 million people were dead from a systematic attempt at destroying multiple cultures. Yet you keep complaining about the attempt to end World War 2 before it could stretch on for two more years.
Trying to end a war as soon as possible by killing as few people as we reasonably can while still making a point that you need to stand down and surrender now might not be the best possibly moral decision, but it ended the war. What alternative do you suggest to the bomb that doesn't involve invading and is effective?
But did we know that the effects of radiation would be present in the way they were? I don't think anyone did. And while yes, the people of Hiroshima and Nagasaki suffered, it kept the rest of Japan from having to suffer as well. Japan lost two cities and their empire status instead of the entire country being reduced to ashes.
And those are still human lives, right? Or are Americans inhuman to you?
I don't know what? That the bomb ended the war in late 1945 instead of stretching it into 1947? Or that 300,000 people died instead of millions? What do you know then?
That there may have been better alternatives is my opinion. It is a fact that the bomb was the best option they could quickly end the war with at the time, because if there was a better option they would have used that instead.
But you're not looking at the context. Did you want President Truman to stand up and say, "We dropped the bomb so we wouldn't have to kill even more Japanese people to get them to surrender?" He's of course going to leave the focus on the people he is talking to, and the people of the country he has to lead.
And I'm starting to feel that you don't really know what you're talking about when it comes to genocide, considering how much you keep throwing it around.
timidforrestcreature ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 11:23:16 on December 16, 2015 ยท (Permalink)*
Genocide elsewhere is irrelevant to the fact that US committed mass genocide in Japan.
By this you mean the genocide committed by the US under the pretext to "save lives" that goes against all the rules of war.
By this I take it you believe the US was justified in committing genocide to end the war, however, let's not pretend it wasn't a war crime against all the rules of war.
How about not committing genocide and abiding by the rules of war?
We knew the bomb was going to annihilate the civilian cities it was dropped upon and it was knowingly used against all the rules of war, ignorance of radiation doesn't invalidate this.
Would you condone the actions of a dictator who gasses the rebels along with their women and children under the pretext (perhaps even rightly) of ending a drawn out conflict sooner? Oh its genocide in that case? Then why are you making an exception for america who is murdering non combatants at an unprecedented scale?
Again we don't know if the war could have been won with less or more casualties had we not used a bomb, US apologists are passing a guess off as fact.
Civilian lives take precedent over the lives of soldiers in war as per the rules of war, that you would make such a self victimizing statement leads me to believe you are highly biased on this subject.
I know your juatifying genocide on a highly questionable and biased guess, likely commissioned and used to justify using the bomb on civilian cities.
This is assuming the US had the interest of japanese civilians in equal value , when describing the reason he used the bomb, Truman cites the desire to save more american soldiers lives as his motivation.
I don't see how that's obvious at all.
As per the definition of the term, hiroshima and Nagasaki were genocide.
Shadowex3 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:14:36 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
This is literally middle school level history. You don't get to play the citation needed game for something that's literally grade school level shit.
Count_Long_Dong ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:45:05 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Don't waste your time, dude. No amount of logic can sway someone emotionally tied to their argument.
rugtoad ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:56:47 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I don't really understand why people aren't allowed to be skeptical about the "estimates", at least to some degree.
I mean, what if we didn't have the bomb? Would we have invaded knowing those numbers? I don't really know, but I imagine we'd have tried pretty much everything else (and yes, I know several other things were tried).
But looking at the historical context...the US really did have a compelling reason to find an excuse to drop the bomb. Just having a superweapon is one thing. Demonstrating it in a desert is fine. But showing that you'll put it to use against a civilian population if a government doesn't acquiesce to your every demand?
Well, that makes you the instant big-boss-of-the-world, at least until the secrets behind your superweapon get out.
So, to me, the questions, "What is underpinning these estimates?, "Who is giving these estimates", and "What is the methodology used to reach them?" are completely valid, it's not simply an emotional "USA IS BAD!" plea.
These are perfectly reasonable questions which I don't think I've really ever seen comprehensive answers for. The answer above that says "Schoolbooks say that the estimates were this, so you can't have a source" is complete shit. It's not an answer, it's dismissing the objection by claiming that your position is common knowledge that is so completely intuitive that it requires no source, and deserves no skepticism.
I don't buy that for a second. It's the complete opposite of logic. Shit, it's a defined formal fallacy.
If we had a good reason to believe that the ensuing invasion was unavoidable and would have resulted in millions dead on either side, and we used that reason to target civilians with an atomic weapon, then that reasoning should be among the most transparent, most fully explored pieces of modern history out there.
Yet, in this thread, it is dismissed as "Hey dipshit, this estimate is discussed in every primary school in the US, it's a part of every US history textbook!", as if the US doesn't have a compelling reason to make sure that history doesn't judge this act as a war crime.
Again, that is not logic. Not even a little bit.
timidforrestcreature ยท -6 points ยท Posted at 16:36:04 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Cite your unbiased sources "that you got in middle school" then. Should be really easy for you.
scarecrowman175 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:37:15 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Well, the books aren't wrong. 300,000 total lives were lost in the atomic bombings on Japan. The vast majority, if not all of the lives lost were civilian, yes, but a full blown invasion of Japan would've been even more catastrophic for both sides. The allied forces would've been facing not only the Japanese military, but also the countless number of radicalized civilians who would've died defending their land and their Emperor. The initial allied invasion force would've been decimated before they even made landfall due to kamikaze attacks, and then actually pushing into the territory would've been met with heavy resistance / traps, and hundreds of thousands of both innocent and hostile civilian deaths that may have exceeded those lost in the atomic detonations. Match that up with soldier deaths, and you're looking at 500,000 to 1,000,000+ casualties easily by the end of the invasion.
Don't get me wrong, nuclear weapons are the worst thing humanity has ever created, and it wasn't a moral thing to do. Sure, America did warn the Japanese people of potential bombings, but they did not warn them of the sheer destruction of the bombs they would use. They only hinted that they'd be bombed at some point with only one exception to that. The only warning of an atomic bomb they gave was to Nagasaki, but it gave little notice and Japanese authority would punish those who read the leaflets.
timidforrestcreature ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 16:40:54 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
According to biased sources, and all your numbers are objectively speculation.
scarecrowman175 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:06:16 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)*
If the only basis for biased estimates is that they are coming from people who are citizens of the country that is invading, then yes. It wasn't just military correspondents who made these estimates, you know. Countless historians looking back have made casualty estimates of a mainland Japanese invasion of upwards of 1 million. The numbers are of course speculation, but they are grounded in facts. The fact is, a large amount of the Japanese population were willing to sacrifice their lives for their country. The Japanese military would not only staunchly defend their land, but would do so effectively through use of the terrain like they did in previous battles against the Americans.
All one has to do is look at the battle of Okinawa to see how devastating a mainland invasion of Japan would've been. In 3 months an estimated 200,000 lives were lost which includes an average estimate of 95,000 civilians. Okinawa lost an estimated (and roughly) 1/3rd of their population in just 3 months.
That entire battle was conducted on an island with 900 square miles of land. The Japanese mainland is over 125,000 square miles of land. Japan at that time had roughly 70 million civilians total. While you can't properly scale the battle of Okinawa to a mainland invasion due to the full scale invasion being much larger, the land available being larger, and the fact the mainland invasion never happened to begin with, it's not hard to imagine that a civilian death toll of 100,000~ from Okinawa would've been the scaled to the same as, if not more, than the atomic attacks.
Again, I'm not defending the atomic bombs being dropped, I'm just defending the notion that a mainland invasion wouldn't have resulted in as many deaths. I feel as though America could've sent a message to Japan simply by dropping atomic weapons off shore for Japanese military to see their destruction capabilities.
timidforrestcreature ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 07:40:34 on December 16, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Historically this scene of a people fighting a lost battle to the last man against an invader is seen across cultures as something noble and admirable, even by Americans.
Now take historical examples where there the invading army takes a losing but stubborn resistance's civilians and slaughters them in front of them to get them to surrender. What do we call that across cultures? Genocide. What do americans call it when a dictator gasses their local freedom fighters along with their women and children under the pretext of ending the conflict sooner and saving lifes (perhaps even accurately)? Oh genocide is it? Yeah genocide.
Yet here we have in my history textbook in high school an account of america slaughtering civilians at a scale that dwarfs all other examples of genocide in history, and it has the AUDACITY to call the genocide "saving lives". fuck you. That is bullshit propaganda written by the perpetrators being passed of as fact.
I'm not saying the war couldn't have cost more lives, I have a problem with people passing off estimates of lives lost if the bombs weren't dropped made by people wanting to use the bomb as fact and I have a problem with people not being able to admit dropping the bombs wasn't an act of genocide but in turn "saving lives"
Even if we could with complete certainty say it reduced the amount of people that would die (we can't), the dropping of the atomic bombs on civilian cities was still an act of genocide and a war crime. There is no history textbook in the US that will acknowledge it as such however.
scarecrowman175 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:04:15 on December 16, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I never argued that the dropping of atomic bombs wasn't an act of genocide. War is hell, WWII had such large scales of genocide it isn't even remotely possible to properly scale it. You had nations on both the Axis and Allied powers bombing the living hell out of cities under the pretext that they were destroying military installations / things that furthered the war cause.
This isn't the answer you'd want to hear, but at the time of WWII we didn't have the rules of war that we have now. In WWII it was completely within rule to bomb a city for any reason as long as you were at war with them. This is why you didn't see Germany, the UK, the US, or Japan (to name a few) charged with war crimes after the war ended. Those 4 parties were guilty of bombing cities almost completely off the map.
Ok, I'm hoping you're embellishing here. The atomic bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki aren't even the biggest acts of genocide in WWII, let alone history. From WWII alone you had the Holocaust and the systematic destruction of Chinese villages by the Japanese. Both of those events led to an estimated 11 million dead at the hands of Germany and 6 million dead at the hands of Japan. Then you'd also have to include the USSR troops killing men, raping women, and pillaging conquered German cities as they marched into Nazi controlled territory. All genocide is bad, but saying the atomic bombings were the worst act of Genocide in history when it can't even compare scale-wise to at least 3-4 other events in that same war is just silly.
This is where we obviously won't agree, but it did save lives, whether it was genocide or not. Hell, if you wanted to be darker, it may have saved Japan as a nation. It's not very well known, but shortly before the US used nuclear weapons against Japan the USSR declared war on them. Had the mainland invasion gone through it's quite possible we'd have seen a situation that we saw with Germany with it being split between the US / FRA / UK forces and the USSR. Yes, purely speculation, but it's still grounded in fact. Which is again, where we will probably agree to disagree.
It's not only people who wanted to use the bomb. It's estimated by current historians as well as journalists from that time (many of whom discouraged the use of those bombs on a moral basis [historians] and those that didn't even know those weapons existed [journalists of the time of WWII]) that the lives lost from both sides would've very easily exceeded over 1 million.
Well, I can sort of agree with that. I view it as both. It was genocide by definition, but it also saved lives.
As I mentioned earlier, it's a war crime by today's standards. Back then, it was not.
timidforrestcreature ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:23:51 on December 16, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
My bad I confused you with other guy denying this I was talking to.
That genocide was committed by all sides is true at times, though in most cases they weren't targeting civilians when we are talking about bombing, the bombing of London and germany, few people died and though intended to demoralize it had opposite effect.
I agree with what you've said, what I'm trying to say is never before had so many people been killed instantly and deliberately in history.
I'm not saying casualties couldn't have exceeded lives lost in the genocide of Hiroshima and nagasaki. I'm saying we don't know, my history was passing of this opinion as fact using biased sources when there is no scholarly consensus on the subject.
But more importantly that genocide is never justified and goes against all the rules of war, whatever your pretext may be.
Yes but that was just their best guess, and there are people in those fields who argue the other side as well.
Had my history textbook acknowledged it was genocide and that it was an action based on estimates of future casualties made by whatever sources, I'd be fine with it. But it passed it off as fact that the genocide was just "saving lives".
It was against the rules of war to murder civilians and commit genocide, some people under Truman acknowledge this.
scarecrowman175 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:28:21 on December 16, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
No problem!
It's true, the targets of most bombings were strategic in WWII (which includes Hiroshima and Nagasaki), but they still resulted in mass casualties. I can't really research right now as I'm on my phone, but IIRC about 500 died as a result of the London bombings, and 20k+ died in Warsaw due to German bombings.
Instantly, absolutely. We're talking 160k-200k+ people dead in just a matter of seconds. Deliberately, I don't think you could say that. Not with events like the Holocaust, Japanese killing of millions of Chinese citizens, and other such events happening prior (or during) the nuclear bombings.
Absolutely, it's all estimates and speculation. I disagree that the sources are biased, as for many of them the only biased part of them would be they are US citizens. I can understand how you could view a US General giving an estimate being biased if he also supported the use of the bomb, but other than that I simply cannot agree.
I can agree it isn't ever justified as there will be a better way to go about something rather than killing off a bunch of innocent people and that it goes against the current rules of war.
The crux of that is that it was against the rules to murder civilians and commit civilians IF it wasn't strategic. IE. you couldn't just waltz into a city and start shooting civilians. It was not against the rules of war at the time if the murders were considered justified and the casualties were side effects (as awful as that sounds).
Hiroshima was the home of a large military base and military HQ. It also was used as a relatively active hub for the Japanese navy to use. In fact, one of the aircraft carriers used to attack Pearl Harbor was stationed, armed, and set sail towards Hawaii from Hiroshima.
Nagasaki was a large hub for Japanese naval transportation as well as a industrial target.
While it's not exactly a fair comparison due to the size and power of the bombs used, what America did was no different than what Germany or Britain did in WWII. The key difference of course being they used absolutely massive bombs capable of leveling an entire city. They, like other allied forces, did give advance warning of the bomb. They did not, however, mention the exact type of bomb they'd be using. Not that they'd be able to comprehend the power of an atomic bomb, though.
I'm not trying to justify the use of atomic bombs, just trying to shed some light on it. Again, I think just detonating an atomic bomb off shore near land so the Japanese could understand how screwed they'd be, the message would've gotten across before a land invasion was necessary.
There was obviously other reasons besides taking out military / industrial installations that the US decided to do what they did.
They wanted the war to end ASAP, and quite frankly, they did NOT want the USSR to get a chance to reach Tokyo before Japan surrendered to them. As I mentioned in a previous post, had the USSR had enough time after declaring war to mount a large offensive on Japan, we would've seen another East + West Germany just in form of Japan.
In a darker sense, they wanted to see the raw power of atomic weaponry on a city that wasn't bombed prior. They had a list of cities they'd want / need to target to cripple Japan's war effort, and Hiroshima and Nagasaki were on that list. Unfortunately for the citizens of those cities, they were among those chosen as nuclear targets. That just meant they wouldn't be bombed at all until the US decided it was time to use nuclear weaponry.
DaughterofBabylon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:59:22 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I'm rather confused by your argument at this point. Yes, the nuclear bombings were horrible but a land invasion would have cost even more lives when added up on both sides and you seemingly forget the countless and I mean countless atrocities committed by the Japanese during that war.
timidforrestcreature ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 06:57:32 on December 16, 2015 ยท (Permalink)*
My argument is that USA doesn't admit it committed genocide in order to not risk american soldiers lives.
*Genocide, they dropped TWO atomic bombs on civilians.
According to estimates of parties interested in using the bomb and not risking american soldiers lives, at best speculation in any case.
Japan committed war crimes therefore american acts of genocide don't count? Thats a non sequitur, that Japan committed war crimes as well is irrelevant to americans doing so.
DaughterofBabylon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:10:10 on December 16, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not saying that the American bombing doesn't count but the Japanese sure as hell had it coming. Stop being so salty about something that they brought into themselves after Nanking.
timidforrestcreature ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 04:14:20 on December 17, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
The civilian population had nothing to do with pearl harbor.
DaughterofBabylon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:08:13 on December 17, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Pearl Harbor had nothing to do with Japan until Japan bombed it. Also, the civilians of the Pacific didn't do anything to deserve the absolute hell Japan released upon them. If anything, it's the Japanese Emporer's fault.
Though this is moot, if the bombs weren't dropped, we might have been having this conversation about how bad it was that the Allies (which included more than the States) had to invade Japan on land.
timidforrestcreature ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 09:05:20 on December 17, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I get it your opinion is genocide is justified under the pretext of saving american soldier lives, but at least yield the point it was genocide and civilians murdered by the bombs, were entirely innocent.
coldmtndew ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:31:20 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Which was still very true
timidforrestcreature ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 06:59:22 on December 16, 2015 ยท (Permalink)*
Is it also true when a dictator murders a civilian population by claiming it the greater good by being a means to end a conflict sooner? No it is genocide in that case?
American hypocrisy.
coldmtndew ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:47:10 on December 16, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Except in this case it was absolutely justifiable to save American lives
timidforrestcreature ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:49:43 on December 16, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
That is, at best, your opinion.
coldmtndew ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:51:40 on December 16, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I mean I don't like that all those civilians had to die but at that point it was either them or our soldiers and marines
timidforrestcreature ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:28:16 on December 16, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I get it, your opinion is:
your countries soldiers > lives of innocent women and children.
coldmtndew ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:29:23 on December 16, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
As horrible as it is yes. I'd expect any other country to say the same thing
timidforrestcreature ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:36:41 on December 16, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Even if you fail to see how morally repugnant that position is, outlawing genocide and other war crimes is also about self interest, not a desire to be gentlemanly in war.
If we were ever invaded our civilians, POW's can expect certain treatment, even in war and being on the losing side and as such, the rules of war, are something we should uphold.
coldmtndew ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:15:59 on December 16, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
If the US was invaded I don't like the invaders chances. The possibility of them even capturing a decent amount of civilians would be in some high "gun control" state like California.
timidforrestcreature ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:23:58 on December 16, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I like how you found it important to let me know your a republican and pro gun, that's cool bro.
coldmtndew ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:19:30 on December 16, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I'm absolutely pro gun not a republican though
timidforrestcreature ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 04:24:19 on December 17, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
You support Donald trump and rand Paul after skimming your post history quickly, I'm afraid you are as predictable as you seem.
coldmtndew ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:58:30 on December 17, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
You dug that deep? Lol and I know how that must seem but I'm not like a large portion of people who like Trump and from my understanding Rand Paul is largely tolerated on both sides of the aisle
timidforrestcreature ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 09:06:40 on December 17, 2015 ยท (Permalink)*
Yeah about 30 seconds deep, anyway hope you enjoyed our two term black president ruling over you and that you will enjoy a woman president in the near future.
coldmtndew ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:24:59 on December 17, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Why would I care about either of those? You assume I'm a racist and misogyinst because I want Rand/trump for president. Grow up!
randarrow ยท 37 points ยท Posted at 04:22:30 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Hisashi Ouchi and the Tokaimura accident. Following instructions from his inept managers, accidentally allowed a bucket of radioactive material to go critical. Received a 20 sievert radiation dose, 5 is considered fatal, single dose of 8 is guaranteed to be fatal (but there have been higher long-term exposures). Took him 83 days to die. He lost the ability to speak after 7 days, some of his last words were "I can't take it any more. ... I am not guinea pig". They wouldn't let him die, refused to switch to palliative care, kept pumping him full of probes and fluid transfusions until nothing was left. His DNA was described as shattered and his flesh was sloughing off of his bones while he was still alive.
Here, SERIOUSLY NSFL and Here, no graphic pictures
Made #1 of a list of worst deaths here
C477um04 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:16:55 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I really hope they at least actually benefited from the testing they forced on him.
randarrow ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:21:25 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I hope people went to jail.
natureculls ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:05:43 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Description of the first link (for the curious): My biggest fear is radiation poisoning, and my friend showed me a picture, unprompted one night. His skin isn't there. It is sliding, rather than melting off of his body. His limbs (all four) are suspended in the air, with bone and muscle mass exposed. His limbs are tapered towards the end, basically with (from what I saw, I didn't look long) nubs at the end.
Does the third link have images? I'm never looking again. :)
buttegg ยท 250 points ยท Posted at 00:27:36 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
PSA Flight 182. My interest in aviation led me to reading about it and I seriously regret ever doing that.
Eye witnesses from a residential area said they saw a screaming man ejected from the fuselage, gliding in a prone, arms-outstretched position before making contact with the windshield of a parked car. They referred to him as "Superman"
The worst thing about this crash is how there were only a couple of corpses left behind. Everything else was unidentifiable due to the hard impact and the fire.
It's awful how many lives we have to lose in order to make aviation safer. All of the rules and regulations we have today are written in blood.
RumpleOfTheBaileys ยท 88 points ยท Posted at 02:02:54 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I too have an interest in aviation, and before scarring my soul with the fucked-up stories of voluntary actions, my first thought had been Alaska Airlines Flight 261. The last ten minutes of that flight would have been agonizing.
tbos92 ยท 52 points ยท Posted at 06:58:50 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Wasn't there a plane that crashed a few years back because the pilots kid played around with the sticks? I remember watching the simulation of that flight - absolutely heartbreaking, especially because there is a point where they almost recover it... almost
Aeroflot Flight 593 here is the simulation of the flight path and pilot audio
_Major_G ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:22:41 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
sees plane moving horizontally with the nose up I don't think planes work that way.
dancytree8 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 07:28:58 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Was going to mention this. Got lost in the clouds.
buttegg ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 03:54:54 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Oh god, that one. I flew on Alaska's MD-83s a bunch around the same time. Great airline. It makes me so sad that this happened to them.
the13bangbang ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 13:12:20 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
The story of this University of Michigan basketball player is an absolutely horrible thing to live through. Surviving one plane crash might be a spot of good luck, but having to survive two? Your luck is shit at that point. If you don't want to read the article then I'll say the gist. This kid from my city survived two seperate airplane (they were some single props I think) crashes, both times piloted by his father. The first crash in 2003, his mother, sister, and brother died but he and his father lived. The second crash in 2011, his father and step-mother died. If he never wanted to look at a plane again, it would be completely justified.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 07:13:25 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Oh god I got panic attacks reading that
dashdanw ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:25:49 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Damn
Boro84 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:46:50 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
obviously there were survivors and many less casualties but the story of Lynyrd Skynyrd's plane crash is pretty horrible
JournalofFailure ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:03:02 on December 16, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
When Buddy Holly boarded the plane that would crash and kill him (along with Ritchie Valens and The Big Bopper) he joked to his friend Waylon Jennings, "I hope your bus freezes." Jennings responded, "well, I hope your ol' plane crashes."
ryabauer94 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 08:56:43 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Terrible way of looking at it but it's closest to reality, no way to ever stop it though, people will always die, that's the sad part.
I had an instructor when in aviation maintenance courses that worked in Sioux City when United Airlines 232 crashed. ]
He was on travel that day and is so glad he was, the mechanics on the shop floor saw the crash and were absolutely traumatized witnessing it. Some mechanics had breakdowns on the spot and others rushed into the service trucks to try and save individuals but couldn't get to them; some people quit their jobs after the crash and others needed psychological help.
It's absolutely nuts how much fear a crash can put into an individual.
buttegg ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:00:32 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
My great-uncle worked for United Airlines doing maintenance during that. From the '70s up until the mid-to-late 2000s or something like that. Anyway, he was based in SFO, but it was a huge deal for everyone working for the company. The video they have of the plane crashing is insane, I really can't believe how so many people made it out of there alive.
IndonesianGuy ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 08:03:34 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Damn.
itsnathanhere ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 09:13:47 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
The other crew members said "This is it baby!" and "Woo". I have to admire the balls they all went out with.
GoHuskies858 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 09:25:17 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I'm afraid of flying and hate it and am going to be getting on a plane tomorrow so thanks for this :) lolol
buttegg ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:52:08 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Hey, have a wonderful trip! Don't be afraid to talk to the cabin crew if you're anxious - they're there to help.
GoHuskies858 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:02:31 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I've flown probably 20-30 times and it still isn't a fun experience hahaha. I traveled all throughout Europe this past spring and have been on so many flights, so I'm proud my fears haven't prevented me from doing anything, but flying days are unpleasant. Thank god for Xanax tho lol
buttegg ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:17:32 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Bless Xanax. Good luck.
Sanoe ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 12:50:06 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
one of the germanwings flights this year, in March to be specific. Co-Pilot locked the pilot out of the cockpit and set autopilot to decend mode and increased flight speed. The time of descend from 10km to 30m took 10mins.. ( at 18m/s )Every single one of the 150 people on board died. Those must've been the longest 10 mins they were allowed to experience.
Satans__Secretary ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 08:24:22 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
From wikipedia.
Holy shit.
and...
From what I'm reading here, it was caused by stupidity; carelessness. Fucking awful.
ThatguyfromMichigan ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:53:59 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Nigeria Airways Flight 2120
The Mayday episode was particularly dramatic, even by Mayday standards.
Heres_J ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:44:41 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Whoa. I always knew my cousin doesn't fly because when she was 5 or 6, "a plane crash" happened within near her house and she heard people screaming from it. I never knew the details until today. How horrifying!
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:14:30 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I feel horrible because I laughed at the superman thing. I'm so sorry to all the people who died.
TomTheNurse ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 12:49:39 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Yet some idiots still cry about government regulation.
Jablon15 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:13:52 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
That's what's really bothers me about a lot of the laws or changes that are implemented for safety reasons. That someone had to die for change to happen. Even something simple as putting a stop sign at a dangerous intersection. For example, a few blocks away from my house there was a street that constantly had some kind of accident happen at least one to two times a month. People would write to village hall and other places begging for a simple Stop sign to be put in. For years they did nothing until a 5 year old and his father were killed. Stop sign went in the next day.
csl512 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:20:27 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Continental 1515 El Paso, on the ground: http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/01/16/airplane.fatality/
otisthorpesrevenge ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:55:12 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
That's true for a lot of industries. Look how many hundreds of thousands have died in US motor vehicle accidents over the years and how much lower the death rate is these days: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_motor_vehicle_deaths_in_U.S._by_year
And how many have died pretty terrible emphysema deaths from smoking. And coal mining is so much safer than it used to be. In the 60s and 70s there used to be over 1,500 people dying annually in the US from trains because there weren't typically gates at grade crossings - now there is about half as many deaths from trains. Gun violence and drunk driving, still lots of room for improvement.
Geminii27 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:03:21 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
And there are so very, very many of them.
timidforrestcreature ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 12:43:55 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I feel awful for laughing...
tydestra ยท 226 points ยท Posted at 23:32:22 on December 14, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
St. Lawrence was roasted alive.
St. Arc and everyone else burned at the stake probably had a horrible death.
The people who suffocated when Dresden was bombed.
Dragonsandman ยท 73 points ยท Posted at 01:24:47 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
A whole bunch of early saints died horrible deaths.
Emphursis ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:43:52 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
It was pretty much a requirement for Sainthood, you had to have a gruesome death.
DaRealDonaldTrump ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:46:31 on December 16, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Probably why st. Nick moved to the Arctic and tried his best to please people with presents. It all makes sense now!
Helium_3 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:00:34 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Nero, in particular was bad about that.
misternumberone ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:53:28 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
It is possible that Nero crucified Saint Peter upside down, but it's not known for certain.
Dragonsandman ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:48:03 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Sort of related; the upside down cross is a representation of the crucifixion of peter, and isn't inherently offensive. That means a bunch of satanists have tattoos and jewelry of a Christian symbol.
pineapplehunter ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:20:53 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
There are even some churches that have the upside down cross in honor of St Peter
Enzo95 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:38:33 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
History says (as I remember it) that St. Peter asked to be crucified upside down because he wasn't worthy to be crucified like Jesus.
[deleted] ยท -25 points ยท Posted at 05:01:22 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Probably because the Romans knew the kind of shit Christians would get up to.
[deleted] ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 08:33:32 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
edge
[deleted] ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 08:52:13 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)*
Well it was rather jokey, but the reality is not far off. Sectarian violence in antiquity is recorded. Christians killing Christians has been going on from the time when it was just another bizzare obscure sect.
Take Athanasius of Alexandria, he was a violent sadistic killer, who also stole from the poor to enrich himself.
Illier1 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:52:46 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I like how you use big word to try and legitimize yourself.
beanthebean ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:12:04 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Which of those words is big to you?
[deleted] ยท 36 points ยท Posted at 23:48:41 on December 14, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Suffocated?
tydestra ยท 112 points ยท Posted at 23:56:49 on December 14, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
A good majority of the victims suffocated due to the lax of oxygen. The city burned for a whole week, and those who hid in shelters were particularly affected.
[deleted] ยท 55 points ยท Posted at 23:59:34 on December 14, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I hadn't really thought about the firestorm but I suppose it is called "The Firebombing of Dresden" for a reason.
imnotsurethatstrue ยท 209 points ยท Posted at 00:53:21 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
So it goes
kungfu_punch ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 02:58:34 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Found the Vonnegut fan.
UNSTABLETON_LIVE ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 06:33:09 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
po-twee po twee
Tewarts ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:23:52 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
there are dozens of us! dozens!
Poo__Brain ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 08:16:07 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Dozens of millions?
Nebjamink ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 12:13:37 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
The books considered a modern classic though, I get the reference but there are a LOT of Vonnegut fans
StickyWicky ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:55:00 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
And so on.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 02:36:44 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
That's how it is, that's how goes
Well_thatwas_random ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 14:51:07 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
USA! USA! US....oooo this isn't the inappropriate time to chant USA sub huh?
DoxBox ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:45:31 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
It was horrible but well within the scope of the total war of the times.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:54:55 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:57:31 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Debatable. Firebombing Dresden wasn't entirely required.
opolaski ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 06:29:44 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Fire eats oxygen.
Eventually colder air comes down to replace the hot air that's rising, but the fire just goes into a tornado feeding frenzy on the oxygen coming down. Nothing gets to the ground where people are (dying).
swz ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 00:09:41 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Well I know Dresden was fire-bombed by the allies. My guess is there were instances where German civilians in bomb shelters had the oxygen sucked out of them from the burning of the city.
The_Dark_Kniggit ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:22:39 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
The outskirts were firebombed, in a strategic manner, so as to trap people inside the city, and kill them by suffocation. The suffocation was caused by the very intense fires consuming the available oxygen rapidly from the center, and then continuing to burn on oxygen from outside the ring of fire. Convection made the diffusion of oxygen into the center very slow, and any oxygen that was present was immediately consumed by the fire. It was a horrendous act, along with atrocities committed by both sides during the war.
NKHdad ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 02:20:22 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I went to St. Joan of Arc grade school...Never once have I heard her referred to as "St Arc" but I gotta say, I like it
tydestra ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 07:51:02 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Heh it was a typo on my part.
King_Vlad_ ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:22:45 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
My town is named after St. Lawrence. Dude was a fucking badass.
ohmygod_my_tinnitus ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:41:53 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Majority of the time people would be strangled to death before the fire was started and their body burned. The burning was more for show.
HeyImHobert ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:28:08 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
My grandfather told me that he could see the fire in Dresden from our hometown Gรถrlitz. This two cities are like 100 km apart.
Tubaka ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:39:31 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Weren't Saint Lawrence the one who calmly told his executioner to flip him over because that side was done?
tydestra ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:05:04 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Yep, he's the one.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:24:44 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Most think it's a legend, but whatever, St. Lawrence was roasted alive on this "Graticola"(gridiron) conserved in the Churc of San Lorenzo in Lucina, Roma.
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/7c/Urna_settecentesca_con_la_graticola_di_san_lorenzo_02.JPG
Another roasted alive by the Inquisition, always in Rome, Giordano Bruno. I call him "The Hoodie Guy".
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giordano_Bruno
I_throw_socks_at_cat ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:29:55 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Burning at the stake may not have been so bad.
I've read an article that claims that rather than lighting a fire at the stake-ee's feet, they were enclosed in a hut-like construction of straw and hay which was set alight. They succumbed to smoke inhalation rather than burning.
katybee13 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:49:23 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
St Lawrence told his executioners to turn him over because he was "done" on that side. How metal is that?
Magnehtic ยท 795 points ยท Posted at 22:26:34 on December 14, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Hiroshi Ouchi.
I'M JUST WARNING YOU BEFORE YOU GOOGLE IT, I TAKE NO RESPONSIBILITY FOR ANY VOMITING OR NIGHTMARES YOU MAY HAVE
[deleted] ยท 212 points ยท Posted at 22:45:10 on December 14, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
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ijflwe42 ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 06:33:15 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I'd say both factors are equally and significantly horrible.
SirDingaLonga ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 09:47:29 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Its not that he was in pain. He was put in a medical induced coma for the entirety of the time he was alive. The doctors never gave up hope and kept on trying to give him transplants and stem cells and stuff in a chance he might recover. Kudos to the doctors who agreed to operate on him considering he was radioactive himself.
GalacticBagel ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 15:47:01 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
They weren't trying to save him, he was a medical experiment the moment he went into the room.. not saying that's a bad thing, gotta learn these things as and when opportunities arise.
Gullible_Goose ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:45:21 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Entirety?
He begged to die when he was still able to speak.
elitegenoside ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:53:01 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
All for SCIENCE!
๐๏ธ Randomosaur ยท 1106 points ยท Posted at 22:27:26 on December 14, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Ouchi indeed.
Magnehtic ยท 266 points ยท Posted at 22:30:27 on December 14, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
The fact that they kept him alive just to see how long he'd survive is just fucked up.
antnybeard ยท 176 points ยท Posted at 23:30:08 on December 14, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
They put him in a medically induced coma though, so he wasn't conscious.
Gibbsey ยท 152 points ยท Posted at 06:25:23 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
" 83 days after the accident, on December 21st. Mister Ouchi succumbs to multiple organ failure. Fighting against the pain that covered his entire body as he lay in the hospital bed, it was he who continued to give words of encouragement to the family that stayed by him. The nurse in charge at the time testifies."
not sure how accurate that is but he wasn't in a coma the entire time
dont_get_pushy ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 09:23:46 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Wouldn't he feel pretty much no pain, what with all his nerves basically melting?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:34:23 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)*
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[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:29:16 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Thats speculative
TGiFallen ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:44:19 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
What is?
Phantom pains?
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 14:28:53 on December 16, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
speculative that they will experience them.
Not everyone experiences phantom pains from removed limbs.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:31:31 on December 16, 2015 ยท (Permalink)*
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[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:06:54 on December 16, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
... let me clear this up for you. This is troll-worthy, or you lost sight of the actual comment.
Saying someone will experience phantom pain is speculative.
No where do I deny their existence, or ability for people to perceive them. Somewhere you read that though. Your reading comprehension skills are maddening.
Do you want to place bets on if you will experience phantom pains when I cut off your arm in frustration? I speculate it will hurt as much as my head right now.
TGiFallen ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:34:40 on December 16, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
It's OK to be wrong.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:56:50 on December 16, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Im glad you can admit your faults. Yes, it is ok to be wrong and sometimes words are confusing.
I encourage you to practice. Reading comprehension takes time and effort. You too can one day develop a level of intellect that allows for legitimate argumentative thought, relative to the point at hand, and not a side-bar argument.
You can do it!
CapytannHook ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 04:27:44 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
oh well that's fine then...
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:05:57 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
That doesn't unfuck the fucked upedness.
CaptainSolar ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:32:40 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
So did they only do that to see how long he would live or what other reason?
tticusWithAnA ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 07:03:51 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Lots of medical reasons that I don't know because I'm not a doctor.
RedAnonym ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 12:43:12 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
But in my experience everyone on the internet is a doctor?
People who are not doctors are rare.
We_Are_The_Waiting ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:11:31 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
He was.
antnybeard ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:21:28 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
oh.
Michael_Goodwin ยท 55 points ยท Posted at 00:43:10 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I thought they were trying to find ways to save him?
RayneTheGamer ยท 230 points ยท Posted at 01:01:21 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
nope, they knew he was a dead man. He originally agreed to allow them to learn about the process of his death by radiation poisoning. But after a short while he was begging them to let him die, to help him die. They just observed him.
j2o1707 ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 02:11:10 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Wow.. He was begging to be aloud go die? Wasn't he in a medically induced coma for a lot of the bad stuff?
I haven't searched the name, jusy putting things together form what I have read right here. (Guessing too.)
[deleted] ยท 28 points ยท Posted at 06:57:43 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
He was kept in a medically induced coma for most of it. During the times he was awake he was actually begging for them to let him die. To help him die.
He was in a great amount of pain, his skin was blackening, blistering, and literally just falling off of his body.
No being should ever have to experience a death like that.
riptaway ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 13:25:54 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Allowed
j2o1707 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:20:10 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I hate spelling mistakes, so I have proceeded to punch thy self.
ThatFlyingScotsman ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:24:40 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I believe that should be 'thine' not 'thy'. I think 'thy' refers to someone else.
j2o1707 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:04:58 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
God dammit. I now have 2 black eyes.
Michael_Goodwin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:30:29 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Oh :(
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 08:45:19 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I guess at some point that changed to "trying to find ways to save others".
King_Of_Regret ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 12:01:34 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Once your DNA is destroyed at the molecular level, it's game over. They just wanted to see what happened.
ginja_ninja ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 07:06:14 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
They were just making sure he didn't end up developing superpowers.
ArtsyOwl ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:20:56 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Very fucked up indeed!
We_Are_The_Waiting ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:12:00 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
He volunteered, but changed his mind when his skin fell off.
captenplanet90 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:26:26 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Well, honestly, it probably helped people understand radiation exposure a lot better than the did before. At least he was in a coma for most of the time.
[deleted] ยท 43 points ยท Posted at 00:12:21 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Ouchi by name Ouchi by nature.
chaffey_boy ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 07:12:36 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
someone already did this pun
sciamatic ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 15:53:17 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Every time this is posted, someone makes this joke.
The 'Ou' would be pronounced like the English "Oh", like the 'o' in 'hole,' the long 'o.'
It would sound like "Oh-chee"
Smartguy725 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 08:38:12 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Every single time Ouchi's death is mentioned, someone always makes this joke
TheBrainwasher14 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 09:33:46 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Everytime this is mentioned on reddit, this joke is made. Wtf
trainwreck42 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:23:11 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Any time this guy is mentioned on reddit, someone makes this comment.
Biotot ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:14:31 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)*
Come on OP... This was so baited.
and to be clear I brought this up yesterday so I had the link handy EDIT: I didn't realize that was actually a different thread with the same question and responses
TundieRice ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:06:23 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
That joke, as distasteful as it is, will never fail to make me laugh.
stuffonfire ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:59:27 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
goin' for the low hanging fruit
MentalJack ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:32:39 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Ouchi by name, Ouchi by...
wrongrrabbit ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:31:15 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
did you post this question in the hope that you could use that joke? 'Cause damn man thats some fine wit you've got there.
kotkaiser ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 08:32:54 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Everytime this is the response, and everytime I laugh.
[deleted] ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 04:37:48 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Burn!
RadLadSam ยท 294 points ยท Posted at 01:16:02 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
As someone who listened to OP's warning, could someone who braved the Google search give us an overview?
[deleted] ยท 675 points ยท Posted at 01:38:54 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
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Quad_H ยท 278 points ยท Posted at 02:44:12 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
i heard that the scientists purposely kept him alive as long as possible to study the effect of extreme radiation and for research purpose rather than healing him. They knew how much of pain he was in and that he wont survive yet still didnt let him rest. Poor guy, i cant even imagine how much pain he mustve been in and what was going through his mind..
Large_Dr_Pepper ยท 201 points ยท Posted at 06:48:53 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Be honest. You heard that in this thread, didn't you.
aLolipopPrince ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 07:13:53 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
There was a thread just like this one and I heard the same story but with the whole being kept alive thing for science thing too.
_Synth_ ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:59:44 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Well if you heard it in another thread, I guess that settles it.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 07:37:32 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)*
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Mackowatosc ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:27:07 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Apparently, he wanted them to keep him alive for study. At least, for some time.
ImBoredCanYouTell ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:32:38 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Ive heard this in several other threads too.
ThundercuntIII ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:23:35 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Basically every thread on reddit about any topic is the same
acomputer1 ยท 90 points ยท Posted at 06:30:34 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Well, when you're in a coma most of the time, you're not going to feel much.
[deleted] ยท 42 points ยท Posted at 08:18:01 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Nosferatii ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 11:40:09 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Or you feel pain the entire time, it's just that noone remembers it upon waking.
jdovew ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 06:24:46 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Ummmmm, you're not healing what happened to him.
[deleted] ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 07:55:32 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
From what I understand, their idea was that what they could learn from suffering of this one man could have the potential to save hundreds, thousands, tens of thousands if similar event were to happen at a wider scale.
The subject of any thing nuclear is a big issue in Japan. Which makes sense given that it's the only country that ever experienced having weaponized nuclear weapon used against them.
And in 1999 the Cheronobyl disaster was still on people's minds--especially for the Japanese people.
I'm not saying whether or not I agree or disagree with what they did but I don't think their intentions were entirely malicious though perhaps heartless for the individual.
Quad_H ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 09:37:11 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
i agree with you
Aerda_ ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 07:32:15 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
It says in the article that the guy took that passage from that he was in a medically induced coma... the only pain he felt from this horrible accident was immediately afterwards, and not for all 90 something days that he was in the hospital.
albinobluesheep ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 07:20:47 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not sure "rather than healing him" was the reality. More likely it was rather than ending his life mercifully. They were studying him in an attempt to heal others from the knowledge, but there was nothing they could have done to save him.
Saxon2060 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 10:41:36 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
What an opportunity to have a more educated guess the next time this happens. Sounds like they were groping in the dark trying ANYTHING. It is morally dubious to keep him alive as a test subject but they had the opportunity to try out treatments on thankfully an extremely rare 'illness'. Stem cells and everything.
It's like the question of what was to be done with the data generated by Axis experiments during the war. Very uncomfortable dilemma.
bongarong ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 06:32:41 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I'm almost positive that it was Hiroshi that told them to keep him alive for research. He took the pain to hopefully help find a cure to radiation poisoning.
laustcozz ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 07:12:51 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Funny I remember reading that his last words were something like "please let me die" and they kept him alive weeks afterwards.
bongarong ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 07:15:25 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, i dont know what i was talking about honestly. I looked it up and im definitely wrong.
purpleoceangirl ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:44:06 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
If I recall correctly , I think they revived him a couple of times.
ArtsyOwl ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 10:23:31 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
How bloody cruel were those doctors? They should have just let him die in peace!
Epic_Spitfire ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 11:43:04 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Medically induced coma
Epic_Spitfire ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:40:31 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
He was in a medically induced coma the entire time.
helpingphriendlybox ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:21:54 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
He was apparently in a medical induced coma for most of it.
recoverybelow ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:28:39 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Ah yes, tell us more about your inside sources
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:51:06 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
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learnyouahaskell ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 07:09:52 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Who'd have thought, they still had it in them. Seriously, that kind of isolation is a terrible thing.
ElinWest ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 06:45:57 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
No research needed. Just pick up any comic book.
Completejerry ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 09:03:36 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Bullshit. He was in a coma for almost the entire three months, and they were trying to find ways to save him. This isn't some Nazi doctor bullshit.
Quad_H ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 09:35:22 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
prove it
Completejerry ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 09:41:41 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
You have the burden of proof.
Epic_Spitfire ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 11:42:25 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
It quite literally says he was in a coma in the articles about him. Don't be so dramatic.
Msshadow ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:57:59 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
That is not in the industry oe.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:09:15 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
The medical stuff isn't but I've read about Tokaimura before
Msshadow ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:09:55 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I propose we add it because it's fucking horrifying.
Daniyellow ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 08:02:02 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Christ. I couldn't imagine. Why wouldn't they just let the poor man die.
I know just getting a small part of my body radiated by ethical doctors was absolute hell. The sluicing is real.
DTX120 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:53:43 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
nope, no one is allowed to use that word ever again
sup_mello ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:02:30 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
If they knew he wasn't going to make it - why keep him alive in agony? I would just want to die.
reddit-is-dog-shit ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 10:22:49 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
To observe the effects of radiation on the human body.
Pedropz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:10:14 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
For research purposes...
Yeah, pretty cuntish
buttegg ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 06:32:27 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not looking at the image for obvious reasons. I don't know if I'm mentally ready for that kind of shit or if I ever will be. But uh, what did he look like? Charred? Melted?
I feel so bad for this man.
ouijabore ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 07:05:46 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Sort of melted, I guess? Skinless and red. It's truly horrible.
natureculls ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 07:24:29 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
My biggest fear is radiation poisoning, and my friend showed me a picture, unprompted one night.
His skin isn't there. It is sliding, rather than melting off of his body. His limbs (all four) are suspended in the air, with bone and muscle mass exposed. His limbs are tapered towards the end, basically with (from what I saw, I didn't look long) nubs at the end.
I've watched murder videos without it being a super big deal, but this fucked me up. A lot.
buttegg ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:55:30 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Ohhhh shit. Yep. Definitely not gonna look at that.
outlooker707 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:01:48 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Link?
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 08:06:40 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
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meiyoumayo ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 09:55:49 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I could handle most of that, but what got me was that one of the last things one of the victims of the accident wrote (he lost the ability to speak, but could still write) was "mommy, please".
natureculls ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 09:58:29 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Yikes on bikes. Didn't know that one.
IndonesianGuy ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 07:48:01 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Like those ghouls from Fallout (or more accurately, the ghouls from Fallout looks like him).
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:15:13 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
But did he get super powers?
[deleted] ยท -9 points ยท Posted at 02:13:39 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
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OMEGA_MODE ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 02:23:09 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe, just maybe, you should mark that NSFW/NSFL. I've seen that before, yet I'm feeling a bit queasy.
tc316tc ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:21:59 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
why the hell did I click on that link, instant regret
mphilly44 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:23:35 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
NSFW
Looguh ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:31:17 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Damn you.
Experiment24 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 02:19:49 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
NSFL
personoid ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:33:18 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Is this from Se7en? Yikes
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:30:31 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
So that's how beef Jerry's made!
mergedloki ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 04:17:29 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
His name was ouchi not Jerry.
mergedloki ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 04:46:07 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
His name was ouchi not Jerry.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:57:17 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I meant Beef Jerky. Damn Auto Correct.
BIiteum ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:19:32 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Why would you do that to me
666666t ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 06:08:34 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
that picture haunts me.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:27:14 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
20 liters a day is 44 pounds per day. That seems a tad exaggerated.
Duffies ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 02:38:57 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Worst case of radiation poisoning ever, iirc
vwolf05 ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 14:27:50 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
The photo is nothing special. You see this kind of bloody almost skeletal corpses in many games. I don't know what's the fuss about.
jamandspoon ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 08:02:40 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Ouchi *OP beat me to it
JohnnyOnslaught ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 06:50:39 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
In a similar vein, there's Louis Slotin. He was experimenting with nuclear materials at Los Alamos, triggered a critical reaction and was dosed with a huge amount of radiation. Took him nine days to die. There's some speculation as to whether he might be the inspiration for Dr. Manhattan.
SuperBloops ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 12:18:35 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)*
Some more info on him. (SFW)
http://www.cnic.jp/english/newsletter/nit128/nit128articles/jco.html
After suffering patiently for a week, Ouchi suddenly cracked. "I can't take it any more. ... I am not guinea pig". (p.52) His words shocked the physicians and nurses in charge of his treatment. Was this the time to shift the focus from cure to palliative care? Even if a case could be made for persevering a bit longer, what purpose could possibly have been served by resuscitating him on the 59th day, after his heart stopped three times for a total of 49 minutes? (p.92-95) This was a man whose chromosomes had been destroyed. "[N]one of Ouchi's chromosomes could be identified or arranged in order."(p.38) Ouchi's body was destroyed from the inside out. (p.122) It was a slow, painful and presumably unpreventable death. Surely the doctors should have been able to recognize very early that he could not be saved.
He was able to communicate for 10 days, then lived for another 73.
Helplessromantic ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 06:05:27 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Hiroshi Ouchi's death really shits on everything else in the thread by a pretty wide margin.
It's kind of a shame this post is so far down.
flykessel ยท 37 points ยท Posted at 01:04:26 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Someone wanna explain without the graphic shit?
[deleted] ยท 146 points ยท Posted at 01:13:46 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Death by radiation burns. Nasty shit. Kind of looks like a guy that was skinned alive.
Yodi007 ยท 48 points ยท Posted at 01:30:13 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
looks exactly like that
MirthMannor ยท 39 points ยท Posted at 02:20:28 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Because that is essentially what happened. Just, you know, more slowly.
JustDroppinBy ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 07:03:15 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
and at a molecular level, and not just skin, every organ.
Mackowatosc ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 09:30:28 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
to add on top of this, many drugs will just not work for such person, because of fucked up metabolism. I.e. painkillers...
herewegoaga1n ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 10:26:00 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
...on the cellular level.
Quad_H ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:44:51 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
skinned and stretched like a rubber.
Polskyciewicz ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:15:40 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Makes Ramsay look like an amateur.
Mackowatosc ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:29:29 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Actually, extreme dose acute radiation poisoning,prolonged by treatment he was given. Radiation burns are not the same.
RC_COW ยท 27 points ยท Posted at 01:33:14 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Think of it as his body was a hand his skin was a glove and the hand left the glove then his insides turned to water.
Dgamer2 ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 01:40:32 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
ye, he had radiation sickness and from what it looks like his skin basically i guess melted. they didn't let him die and kept him alive as long as they could 3ish months.
HeraldofUnicron ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 09:11:19 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
His limbs are so badly burnt their almost like sticks, his chest looks sunken, crusty, hollow. He's a burned skeleton with a face.
dWintermut3 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:19:52 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Exposed to more radiation than anyone has ever been recorded to be subjected to, of the most cell-damaging type (neutron radiation), kept alive almost 90 days despite the fact without measures beyond heroic he shouldn't have lived two weeks.
D00M3DR3DD17 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:27:41 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Basically the type of radiation (and the amount he had) rips your chromosomes apart when it comes into contact with you. As a result all of his skin started falling off andโฆyeah.
Taman_Should ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 08:33:39 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
This is what would have happened to Bruce Banner in real life.
Mackowatosc ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 09:31:33 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
pretty much.
Mackowatosc ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 09:33:01 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
together with cellular structures, too. Also, fucks up metabolism so many drugs stop working / work differently on you. Ouch.
ScubaSteve1219 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:52:42 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
don't be a wuss
Simim ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 07:08:26 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Have you played Fallout 4?
Real-life ghoul.
[deleted] ยท -10 points ยท Posted at 02:36:09 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)*
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flykessel ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 03:45:29 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
fuck off
natmccoy ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 08:14:57 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Is that a picture of him? If so it's fine, just inform people what it's a picture of and include a NSFL warning.
TooClose4Missiles ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 00:59:21 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
You warned we. I should have listened. Why didn't I listen?
BuzzKillerOfFire ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:59:17 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Link for lazy/mobile
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 08:25:52 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
HE WAS FUCKING KEPT ALIVE FOR 83 DAYS.
They kept him alive trying different methods to save him.. Hold fuck just let him die.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 08:53:07 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
This was probably the most painful death of all time.
CERON1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:45:45 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
What happened to that third guy?
Famixofpower ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:20:02 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Here is a story about it.
BelieveInThePeeko ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:00:34 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
yeah i'm not looking that shit up any time soon
ChaIroOtoko ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:09:48 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
That was macabre but interesting.
kryonik ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:22:19 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Similarly anyone dying to the Demon Core or any radiation really.
ArtsyOwl ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:18:31 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
OMG...why WHY did I google this. The stuff of nightmares!!!
ShadysWorld ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 11:49:22 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
It really isn't that bad.
[deleted] ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 23:16:16 on December 14, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
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GnomeChomski ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:09:38 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
They say ็ใใงใ๏ผ
DarthFarious ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 09:17:13 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Reading it here
http://www.kickassfacts.com/10-worst-deaths-in-history/
Meh
jberd45 ยท 64 points ยท Posted at 04:10:23 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
After famed Roman orator Cicero was assassinated by Mark Antony's men in 43 B.C; Cicero's sister in law Pomponia found out who ratted him out, a slave named Philologus. She got a hold of Philologus, and among other punishments, she forced him to cut off pieces of his own flesh, cook them and then eat them
Bezulba ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 08:59:09 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I still find it amusing that in the English language Marcus Atonius actually has his name westernised but a lot of others from that era didn't.
Regilppo ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 10:30:59 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Do you know why it was westernized? I'm just curious..
Bezulba ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:50:55 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I actually have no clue! It's a wierd quirk.
sarahlawyerboyd ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 13:34:25 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Because people are familiar with (at least the title of) Antony and Cleopatra (Shakespeare) perhaps.
darflol ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:08:27 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
For me, I just used unrealenting shout and Chilrend to kill him, to each's own I guess.
ismetrix ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:45:26 on December 16, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Im close to 30 and a stalker at r/patientgamers and i am happy i understood that reference.. Cicero and mother is soooo happy!
ledgersoccer09 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:48:55 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Poor poor Cicero
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 09:00:26 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
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NovaBlastX273 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:12:34 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
She could have chained him to a wall and stood far away edit: nvm just read the his own part
KulaanDoDinok ยท 229 points ยท Posted at 06:31:05 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Didn't see anyone mention Matthew Shepard. He was tricked by two men in a gay bar who said they would take him home. Then they beat the shit out of him, pistol whipped him, cracked his skull, and then tied him to a fence and left him to die. His face was so bloody, the only area that was clear was what his tears had cleaned. Then, on top of that, he got beaten up by a third unrelated person who thought he was a scarecrow.
[deleted] ยท 138 points ยท Posted at 07:50:09 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Who thought he was a scarecrow? O..okay.
universaladaptoid ยท 143 points ยท Posted at 08:11:11 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Also, why would someone want to beat up a random scarecrow?
ididntlikeit ยท 187 points ยท Posted at 08:16:26 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
A crow who's gotten past his fears
bphishere ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 16:25:37 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
The third person is a myth, he was seen by someone who thought he was a scarecrow. But he approached him on his bike and called the police once he realized it was Matt. Source: read the Laramie project by Moisรฉs Kaufman
colonspiders4u ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:33:51 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
"For the Night's Watch, bitch"
[deleted] ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 08:54:36 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Someone whose wife left him for a scarecrow.
Calebchops ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:35:51 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Could have been Brandon Lee from "The Crow"
artifex28 ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 17:52:50 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
'MURICA!
CodenameMolotov ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 09:35:07 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
And even if he did look exactly like a scarecrow, who the fuck beats up random scarecrows they see?
TheStarkGuy ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 13:16:53 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Most likely some drunk person.
Dhairis1 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 08:33:29 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
We performed some of the interview style scenes from the play created from the tragedy called the Laramie project and I just have to say that that play is so fantastic. Such a shame that it being a verbatim play means everything said was real and the poor lad had to go through all that.
ROOKIE99 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 15:55:50 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
As terrible as story this is, you are a bit off. It wasn't a gay bar. Matthew made a harmless advance on the guys and since they hated gays they tricked him and brought him to the field where they did as you said. He was never beaten up by the guy who thought he was a scarecrow. In fact, if i remember correctly, that guy called the cops.
KulaanDoDinok ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:05:11 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Sorry, I got the details from the Wikipedia page.
BelieveInThePeeko ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 13:04:31 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
why did those two men do that?
super_ag ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 14:08:36 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
One of his killers was gay or at least bisexual and a drug dealer of his. He was not killed out of homophobia but for reasons associated with drugs and money.
Source
rekta ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:52:49 on December 16, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
There have been a lot of factual questions about that book--it's in no way definitively determined that Shepard's death was due to drugs and not a hate crime.
super_ag ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:31:43 on December 16, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I'll trust the investigative journalism of a gay reporter who interviewed over 100 people and did not go into the story with an agenda over criticisms of The Shepard Foundation, who depends on Matt's death being as a honophobic hate crime in order to maintain donations coming in. They definitely have something to lose if it is determined Matt was killed over drugs and money instead of for being gay.
rekta ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:15:21 on December 16, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
The Shepard Foundation isn't the only group that's criticized the book. You're welcome to believe whatever you want. All I'm saying is that one person has written one book and that book's been questioned. It's impossible to definitively state, on that basis, that Shepard's death was due to drugs and not his sexuality. It's an open question. Anyone who is interested should pick up the book and read the criticisms of the book. My guess is that you've done neither.
edit: You know what, that's unfair. Maybe you've done both of those things. If so, you keep on keeping on.
super_ag ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 02:35:16 on December 17, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
So let's look at the evidence against the book presented in your own source.
First, you have Jiminez saying the the motivation of his book was this, "I thought the complexities surrounding Matthew's murder were important for us to understand if we're serious about preventing these kinds of acts of grotesque violence and hatred, and we need to understand the factors that came into play, all the factors that came into play."
Contrast that to the Shepard Foundation's response. "I thought the complexities surrounding Matthew's murder were important for us to understand if we're serious about preventing these kinds of acts of grotesque violence and hatred, and we need to understand the factors that came into play, all the factors that came into play. . .We do not respond to innuendo, rumor or conspiracy theories. Instead we remain committed to honoring Matthew's memory, and refuse to be intimidated by those who seek to tarnish it."
So Jiminez's goal is to find the truth and understand all the factors that came to play. The Shepard Foundation's goal is to Honor Matthew's memory. Which one would you trust? I would argue that the Shepard Foundation isn't concerned with the truth, as the truth might hurt their money-making ability. But I've already said that. So let's look at other criticisms/support.
Marsden, former friend of Shepard, said, "The quick and easy description of Matt Shepard gay bashed ... is about as far from the actual nuanced truth of what happened as it can get. . .I remember thinking at the time that the Matt Shepard case would forever go down in history as, you know, one of the saddest examples of gay bashing, but what it also was, was one of the saddest examples of the desperate lengths people on methamphetamine will go to."
Former Albany County Attorney Cal Rerucha praised the book saying, "I don't think the proof [of a hate crime] was there," and that friends of Shepard were "on a mission" to make his death into a hate crime.
Flint Waters, who arrested Henderson, says, "This is an amazing book! A painful story about a horrific event that left one man dead and many lives in pieces. It shines a brutal light on the weakest of human souls like two cops that chose to build their careers on a lie, at least in my opinion. It documents the original failure of the media, the community and the criminal justice system to find the real truth."
Mckinney, one of the murderers himself, said the motive was robbery, not homophobia.
And then the criticisms against:
Dave O'Malley, Laramie police commander, said he still believes Shepard was killed because he was gay and that Shepard's small frame and braces make it humorous to think that Shepard was a "methamphetamine kingpin." So this man's rebuttal is his belief of the motive. He also creates a straw man (never a good sign) that Shepard was a drug kingpin, but nobody is saying that. What was claimed was that Shepard was involved in the methamphetamine trade. Small framed men with braces are capable of selling drugs on the street, last time I checked. What's humorous is O'Malley's reasoning here.
Rob DeBee's, lead sheriff's investigator, only response is, "Jiminez didn't try to talk to me" and the notion that Shepard was a drug dealer is laughable. Again, very little facts being presented and a lot of opinion.
Defense attorney Skaggs, who defended Henderson, simply offers, "[He's] a reporter who doesn't know very much" about the case." That's hardly a convincing rebuttal.
The criticisms Jiminez has received do in fact appear to be "not offering up contrary proof or evidence to what I presented in the book. There's a lot of reaction to the idea of the book itself." Of course this isn't a conclusive gathering of all the support and criticism of the book, but it's what you offered, and it contains very few "factual errors" as you claim. There is also evidence that Aaron McKinney was bisexual and had had sexual relations with Shepard and had been caught by law enforcement officers having sex with men prior to the murder.
So no, I'm not convinced the narrative that the Left has pushed that Matthew Shepard was this innocent little boy who was targeted and killed for the crime of loving men is accurate. How many false narratives has the Left latched onto lately that had little bearing in truth? Al Sharpton continued to push the Tawana Brawley rape allegations long after they were proven false. Many on the Left still #StandWithJackie, despite her allegations of rape at Virginia have been thoroughly debunked. People still support Mattress Girl's campaign despite proof of texts that contradict her whole story. "Hands Up, Don't Shoot" is one of the WaPo's "lies of the year," and Michael Brown was made into a "gentle giant" instead of the petty thug who had robbed a store minutes before he assaulted a cop. Trayvon Martin was also made into a saint while George Zimmerman was a "white Hispanic" who hunted down an innocent black kid and killed him in cold blood. Those on the Left were quick to call Robert Lewis Dear a "Christian terrorist" but uphold that we must wait for all the facts to come out before the San Bernadino shooters can be called Muslim terrorists (and even if they were jijadis, they aren't real Muslims).
For many on the Left, narrative trumps truth, and truth can be wholly ignored if it does not promote their political agenda.
rekta ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:03:26 on December 17, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Jimenez employs some questionable standards in the book--he often fails to distinguish actual quotations spoken to him directly from things people told him other people said. He also doesn't establish whether the people he interviewed were credible, which is a big deal when you're talking about a bunch of meth users recalling things that happened a decade and a half ago. As well, these people are talking about things that happened 15 years prior; their recollections are spotty and there stories have changed repeatedly. Look at Aaron McKinney--at the time of the trial, he said that he had murdered Shepard because he was gay; later, he said he had no bad feelings towards homosexuals. Which is true and why should we automatically believe the latter? Jimenez's assessment that McKinney is bisexual (despite McKinney disavowing having had any sexual contact with men) appears to have come from an anonymous letter, which is awfully dubious.
This is basically Serial in book form--it probably uncovered some inconsistencies in the case, but too much time has passed and we're never going to definitively know what happened. You can keep saying that we know for a fact that Shepard was a meth dealer and that that's why he was murdered, but it's simply not true. We do not have enough evidence to state that. Interviewing 100 people about a drug scene that existed 15 years ago isn't going to provide solid ground for anything beyond saying, "Maybe we got this wrong, but we don't know for sure." That's just how this works.
I don't really care about your conspiracy theory about leftists in the last paragraph. You can go pick that bone with somebody else.
super_ag ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 03:42:44 on December 17, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Conspiracy theories? So Tawana Brawley was raped by the police? Michael Brown did have his hands up before being executed by Wilson? "Jackie" was gang raped by a frat at the University of Virginia? Emma Sulkowicz was raped but then texted her rapist, "I feel like we need to have some real time where we can talk about life and thingz, because we still haven't really had a palu-emma chil sesh since summmmerrrrr"? These are no conspiracy theories. They are concrete instances where people on the left suppress and ignore truth in order to continue to support a false-narrative.
I bet you think that 1 in 4 women on college are raped and that women make 77% as much as men for the same job too. All I'm saying is that the Left has a tendency to ignore facts when they run contrary to their predetermined narrative. They even invent new ethnicities like "white-Hispanic" in order to make a half-Mexican shooting the black man beating him up into a white-on-black hate crime. They make saints out of petty criminals and ignore stories that they don't like altogether. Every time a cop shoots a black person, it's national news, but when an illegal immigrant in a sanctuary city, who has been deported multiple times, kills a woman for no apparent reason, that's just a local story and doesn't need to be covered much at all.
rekta ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:51:15 on December 17, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
No, wait, I can't. You think "white Hispanic" is a new invention? Do you know why Hispanics are called Hispanics? Do you think Spaniards are not white?
super_ag ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:08:01 on December 17, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Was George Zimmerman of Spanish ancestry? Last time I checked, he was half-caucasian and half-Peruvian. If this person is a white-Hispanic, then this person should always be referred to as a white-black when reporting on him.
rekta ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:34:12 on December 17, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I don't care about George Zimmerman in particular. I care that you think the concept of white Hispanics is a new concept when it's been around since the Spaniards started colonizing the Americas and fucking its inhabitants. That's why you're a conspiracy theorist. You see something you don't like--George Zimmerman's putative racial status--and decide that everything that any liberal ever said about it is a lie they invented wholesale instead of exercising some common sense.
super_ag ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:44:49 on December 17, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Well since Hispanic simply means "Spanish-speaking," I'll concede that whites can be Hispanic, but that's not the point of my comment.
The New York Times made an otherwise Hispanic individual into a white person in order to shoehorn Martin's death into a white-on-black racial hate crime. This was not unintentional. LexisNexus results show that the term "white Hispanic" was almost never used by the NYT before the Martin shooting. If Zimmerman were killed by someone with lighter skin than him, there is no doubt the NYT would call him simply "Hispanic," but when they can portray him as an aggressor, all of a sudden he's white. Unless the NYT has a habit of calling all mixed-race persons by both of their ethnicities, this is an example of blatant yellow journalism. How many times does the NYT call Obama a half-white man? Obama is about as half-white as Zimmerman is half-white, yet one is always called black or African American and the other is a white-Hispanic, despite looking as Latino or Hispanic as any other person of Latin origin.
rekta ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:56:49 on December 17, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
That's a perfectly defensible position. "They even invent new ethnicities like "white-Hispanic"" is not. Do you see the difference? I didn't know anything in particular about Zimmerman's ethnic background beyond that he was Hispanic, until I wiki'd and saw that he was indeed born in Peru. That's shitty of the New York Times. Fair play to you. But it's not fair play to accuse liberals of inventing an ethnicity that, in point of fact, exists. It makes you look like a rabid conspiracy theorist.
It's the same thing with the book. All I'm saying is that that book is debatable--too much time has passed, the sources are too dubious, and Jimenez is too interested in presenting an interesting narrative rather than a rock solid one (which is fair enough; book's gotta be readable to sell). Maybe he's right, maybe he's wrong. In either case, I think it's shitty to say that he's definitively cracked the case. I'll admit that some of the responses to his book have been over the top--the Think Progress article I linked, while I agree with much of its criticism, goes in for some awfully personal hits that are unnecessary.
I'm not really interested in getting into a discussion of how people define race in America or in Hispanic countries, but suffice it to say that if you're looking for a straightforward one-to-one answer, you're not going to find one.
super_ag ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:08:22 on December 17, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Okay, I misspoke when I said the NYT "invented" the ethnicity of white-Hispanic. What I should have said is they intentionally used a valid ethnicity inappropriately with Zimmerman it to fit their narrative.
And I'm not saying all leftists are guilty of such, but there does seem to be a pattern of narrative being more important than truth when it comes to Leftist activism.
As for the Sheperd case, I'll also agree that only a couple of people know why Sherpard was killed for sure, and they're both rightfully rotting in prison. Anybody else cannot claim knowledge of the true motivations and are left to speculate. I should have posed my initial statement that his death wasn't necessarily due to homophobia but that it is likely to have more to do with drugs and money.
rekta ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:13:34 on December 17, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Conservatives do the same thing. That's politics. It blows all around. I think we've reached a point where political pundits and cultural critics on both sides have ceased to have honest conversations and are just screeching into the void. That's why I blow so much of my time arguing on reddit. ยฏ_(ใ)_/ยฏ
rekta ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:47:30 on December 17, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Illogical_Blox ยท -8 points ยท Posted at 13:36:13 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
He's gay?
NeonDisease ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:59:10 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Once these people get caught, I always wanna ask them: "Was doing that really worth spending the next X years of your life in prison?"
KhaosNox ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 11:39:32 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Absolutely awful. First time I heard about this was through the band Trivium - they wrote a pretty moving/powerful song about it called And Sadness Will Sear
redditnpopcorn ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:51:47 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
What happened to the men that did this? I do remember reading about it, but if they had follow up on it here, it was buried too deep, I didn't catch it. (and I'm too tired to look it atm)
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:58:39 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Isn't there a movie or documentary about this? It sounds familiar
WidestM ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:10:28 on December 16, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Theres a song called And sadness will sear by Trivium
fuck-dat-shit-up ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 20:40:22 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I feel like this comment just made me realize how horrible of a person I am. I remember when Mathew Shepard's body was found and the terribleness of the whole event. But I never remembered the scarecrows part. That gave me a chuckle reading. I'm an awful person!!!
[deleted] ยท 249 points ยท Posted at 23:43:18 on December 14, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Scaphism
Some guy, Mithridates, killed a claimant to the throne and was tied to a boat and force fed milk and honey and left in his own waste and bugs came and harassed him for weeks on end. In the end he died of infection.
lookcloserlenny ยท 75 points ยท Posted at 01:31:30 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)*
Edit: Was just brought to my attention that the guy I talk about below is a different Mithridates. I just saw the name and jumped on it, my bad!
Just heard a lot about
this guya guy with the same name who lived about 300ish years later thanks to Dan Carlin and Hardcore History (specifically the series Death-throes of the Roman Republic). Apparently he was immensely fearful of being poisoned his whole life (which wasn't crazy considering that happened to a lot of high ranking figures during the time) and was said to continually drink small amounts of poisons to build an immunity. As legend has it, when Pompey and his Legionaries were bearing down on Mithridates, Mithridates attempted suicide by consuming poison, which to great historical irony, didn't work because as planned he had built an immunity towards it. He had to have one of his slaves or someone kill him.[deleted] ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 01:33:47 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
True as that is, that was a different Mithridates I think.
lookcloserlenny ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 01:55:26 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Whoops, good catch!
megadarkfriend ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:11:42 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, I believe that was the Pontic King.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 01:41:21 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Anyone interested in some good podcasts that aren't about sports should probably look into listening to Dan Carlin. I don't listen to him all the time, and really haven't much at all, but it's a refreshing way of taking a break from current events and he's very good. The fact that it can be educational is bonus. It can be found through itunes IIRC.
lookcloserlenny ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:58:03 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Agreed, it actually helped me a lot in dealing with current events. After hearing his series on World War 1 and all that the people, both soldiers and civilians caught up in it, went through I came away thinking, you know, things aren't so bad today!
OhBlackWater ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:33:51 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
So much like you I just saw Mithridates and treated it like the bat signal.
You, and anyone who has more than a passing interest, should read The Last King by Michael Curtis Ford.
I read it when I was about 14 and again recently. Fantastic work of historical fiction.
uhhhclem ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:06:39 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
As AE Housman wrote, in "Terence, This Is Stupid Stuff:"
There was a king reigned in the East:
There, when kings will sit to feast,
They get their fill before they think
With poisoned meat and poisoned drink.
He gathered all that springs to birth
From the many-venomed earth;
First a little, thence to more,
He sampled all her killing store;
And easy, smiling, seasoned sound,
Sate the king when healths went round.
They put arsenic in his meat
And stared aghast to watch him eat;
They poured strychnine in his cup
And shook to see him drink it up:
They shook, they stared as whiteโs their shirt:
Them it was their poison hurt.
โI tell the tale that I heard told.
Mithridates, he died old.
DraketheDrakeist ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:37:31 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Wait, does that work or is it just a story?
steiner_math ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:39:50 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
There's no evidence of it ever happening, and the only mention is third party mentions of it from people who didn't like the people who supposedly did it. So it's very possible it was propaganda.
DraketheDrakeist ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:32:19 on December 16, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Well, that kills my weekend plans.
TacoNinjaSkills ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:44:40 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Damn you Iocane powder!
Nightthunder ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:22:04 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Your username gives me feels
lookcloserlenny ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:30:14 on December 16, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
https://youtu.be/_EIemaKycNo?t=11s
Also https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BcxQXKQIUAA5ldp.jpg
Gyvon ยท 272 points ยท Posted at 00:23:42 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Giles Corey
itz4mna ยท 282 points ยท Posted at 00:58:09 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
"More...... weight".
NinjaFistOfPain ยท 31 points ยท Posted at 06:48:16 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Say what you will, he died like a badass.
railmaniac ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 07:52:14 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
He's a guy who could handle pressure.
NinjaFistOfPain ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 07:53:44 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Too soon, bro.
blamb211 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:06:22 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Ultimate badass.
mcggjoe ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:00:26 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Such a badass
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:18:50 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
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rallets ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:10:08 on December 16, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Do you even lift, bro?
[deleted] ยท 158 points ยท Posted at 02:39:09 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)*
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swigglediddle ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 04:32:28 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
The ending pissed me off so bad.
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 07:10:47 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Fuck that book
The_cynical_panther ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 11:09:24 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
It's a great play what are you on about? Arthur Miller was pissed and expressed it very well.
swigglediddle ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 14:43:49 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)*
He ended the book right as the executions are about to start. I wanted to read it
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:51:20 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
this
TheHornyToothbrush ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 10:23:55 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I like that book.
lordischnitzel ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:20:46 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Awesome book. I voted for it to be played in our school theatre. Damn, acting as the bad guy was fun.
Ace1999 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:21:15 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Not Jessie from Bridge to Terabithia?
Kaserbeam ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:33:45 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Story?
irishyoga1 ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 15:14:37 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
During the Salem witch trials they had a fucked up way of dealing with people who refused to testify, called pressing. Basically they strip the person of all their clothes and cover them with a large board, and then put heavy boulders on them to cause pain and get them to testify. Now normally this isn't lethal, probably hurts like a bitch but only like 100 to 200 pounds on you. But when they did this to Giles, they placed the boulders, and his facial expression did not change, and he lay there silently. When asked to testify he replied, "more weight." He did this again every time asked, and they obliged, adding boulders each time. This continued for TWO DAYS with Giles refusing to testify. Finally, after all that time, he yelled once more, "MORE WEIGHT!" And then he died.
The guy was a fucking badass.
DrOCD ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 06:25:30 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I actually just closed a production of The Crucible and I played the role of Giles Corey. What a badass.
Catholicker ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 06:42:44 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I'm impressed he lived to be 82 back then.
railmaniac ยท 28 points ยท Posted at 07:51:44 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Unlike him, who lived to be 82 and then got impressed.
alficles ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 08:16:13 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
You are a terrible person.
NewsiesOnAMission ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:11:53 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I'm impressed ANYONE lived to be 82 back then!
ablaaa ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 10:49:33 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
also had many wives throughout his life. Guy was a badass.
luigi29371 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 04:21:56 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Giles is metal as fuck imo
gilescoreywasframed ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:28:39 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
He was framed!
TeePlaysGames ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:57:31 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
America's biggest badass.
[deleted] ยท -17 points ยท Posted at 02:31:36 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Ha, I live next to where this happened.
bongarong ยท 26 points ยท Posted at 06:20:47 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Doesn't seem very funny to me haha
newsdaylaura18 ยท 139 points ยท Posted at 01:58:47 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I would say anyone trapped in the Station fire at the Great White concert is up there.
Here's the video if you want to ruin your night
VGsss ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 07:18:25 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kiss_nightclub_fire
The burnt foam from the ceiling just made prussic acid, some investigators said, the same acid that was used in WW2 gas chambers.
Zander_aq ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 09:25:34 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
And something similar happened this October in Romania. 62 people died... and it's not over yet.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colectiv_nightclub_fire
aawillma ยท 41 points ยท Posted at 06:35:31 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
When it comes to death, physical pain is almost always relatively temporary. Any moderate bleeding will induce shock, burning kills nerves, all forms of asphyxia are short lived, and severe enough pain will drive you insane or to shock. It's the psychologically torturous deaths that are truly horrifying. Prolonged torture, or like this incident, pure panic. The link, like the brick through the windshield video, should always stay blue.
[deleted] ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 07:10:38 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I actually think it's important to watch. It makes people acutely aware of the danger of such venues and just by watching it, it might save your life someday.
[deleted] ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 07:40:13 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
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Rather_Dashing ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:22:17 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
That's all true in a safely run venue, but in this place the bouncer turned people away who tried to leave by the exit next to the stage and the door by the bar was locked to prevent people from sneaking in.
Yan_atron ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 07:17:43 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I agree, a lot of people dont even know whats actually happening infront of them. "oh there's a fire" might take a moment to turn into "OH SHIT theres a fire."
[deleted] ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 07:28:18 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I don't think I have to watch people actually die in order to understand the logic of building capacity and how to behave in an emergency
Yan_atron ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:00:06 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
right, you might not, other people do, but thanks for letting us know about yourself
Hockeygod9911 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 08:50:32 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Brick through the windshield video? What?
XVermillion ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 10:10:23 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Video is from a dashcam so you don't actually see anything gory/violent, the audio is what makes it: a van with about 4 family members is driving down a road and about 1:40 minutes in you see a truck pass them in the opposite lane carrying a load of bricks. One of the bricks flies off, bounces off the road and goes through the windshield, instantly killing the passenger seat occupant (I think it's the driver's wife).
The footage then shows the car pull over and everyone else in the vehicle wails in the most horrible way you can imagine, like they could literally die of grief that instant. It's a little hard to listen to but not the worst video wise, it's pretty awful but it also get's hyped up quite a bit.
Hockeygod9911 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 12:39:22 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Shit, Thank you for telling me the jist of it. I won't be googling it. Sounds fucking terrible.
DeathStarJedi ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:58:52 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
yeah, gonna go ahead and skip that one
bobisgoofy ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 09:34:34 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Please do not google it. It has stayed with me for years as a single memory that can always bring me down.
doughboy011 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 09:45:00 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
The worst part is the suddenness of it all. I think it would hit me harder like that than if I knew my SO was diagnosed with something and I was able to come to terms with it.
Hockeygod9911 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:38:17 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I literally don't understand what is being referenced. Was it an accident? Was the person murdered, I literally don't know wtf he's even talking about.
FoxyBrownMcCloud ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:11:28 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Dashcam video showing a brick drop off of a passing truck. The brick crashes through the windshield and you hear a man completely lose it as, presumably, the impact has instantly killed his spouse in the passenger seat.
Visually, the video isn't graphic at all, but the sheer visceral and guttural despair in the man's wails are deeply disturbing. I do not recommend it to anyone.
AD3stacks ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 13:37:38 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Just Google it, it's not even graphic. Just some sad sounds.
Hockeygod9911 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:40:45 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, no.
AD3stacks ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 17:18:09 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Don't be a coward. It's not that bad
user1444 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:17:23 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I have seen a video of a serious bombing in the middle east which had a charred flaming corpse still sitting on a motor cycle, a guy holding his brothers "body" (which I refer to as spaghetti man) which is basically a head, a bit of spine sticking out and some loose ribbons of flesh, there was a guy who looked like a zombie with half his face blown off just stumbling around... Good god..
Honestly, even though the brick video is only audio I found it 100X worse then anything I've actually "seen", including the above.
karadan100 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:02:52 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
No gore, just sounds. Horrible horrible sounds.
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 08:01:44 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I've watched that video a couple times before. And the next time I was in a crowded building, I scoped every single exit.
MyUnhappySecret ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 06:38:00 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Was not prepared for the screaming coming from inside.
greyetch ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:31:40 on December 16, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
That and the pile of people at the door all stuck just minutes before it all goes up in flames.
MyUnhappySecret ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:34:17 on December 16, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
It was the first thing I saw in the morning and it was not pleasant
JournalofFailure ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 12:56:53 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Check out the book "Killer Show," written by a lawyer for the Plaintiffs. It goes into considerable detail about the many ways the club owners and the band messed up, but only the group's road manager truly accepted any responsibility for what happened.
tytheguy24 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:54:39 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Damn.
RallyUp ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:43:44 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
That is terrifying, there is an individual who runs out of the building on fire and there are visible bodies burning in the doorway when he passes in front of the club...
Evergreen2494 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:27:49 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I think learning about this stuff is useful though. I never really think about what I would need to do if there were a fire. Learning about this tragedy will make me more conscious of locating emergency exits and other safety measures. The problem was that everyone tried going out the front doors, causing the front hallway to collapse.
rockhoundlounge ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:45:40 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
You can see some person makes it out of one of the windows but on fire long after (relatively) the fire starts raging. Here: https://youtu.be/OOzfq9Egxeo?t=376
femme-fatal ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:37:23 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I actually learned about this tragedy a few days after the Paris attacks when it was talked about in the comments section of a video. As someone who regularly goes to concerts it scared the shit out of me and I've found myself making emergency exit plans during recent shows I've been to, just in case something like that goes wrong. It's just the thought of being so close to safety but you can't get through a crowded doorway stacked with bodies so there's nothing else for you to do but to helplessly burn alive really gets to me
Busted_nut_sack ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:43:47 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
That's the stuff of nightmares, and on a separate note, literally the most flammable building I've ever seen.
budsssss ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:02:15 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Makes you wonder if everyone could have gotten out if everyone just walked out without pushing and shoving.
MissMarionette ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:10:11 on December 16, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
This was just...so goddamn preventable. There are some things like war that on an individual level, no, you could not have prevented 2 + countries from spraying bullets at each others' armies. This though?
This suffering was avoidable, it was a needless tragedy. I am both horrified and infuriated at not only the herd mentality to get out as quickly as possible to the point that no one got out and the fact that pyrotechnics were used in a small space filled with flammable material. The need to survive, to escape danger, to live is very real and yes it makes us do horrible things or act "selfishly" but no one should be inherently faulted for that. But the pushing jammed up one exit. Someone early on broke a window as a means to escape and/or to ventilate the place. The cameraman paused in front of a completely unblocked, completely empty door way.
Just...fuck.
glitter-and-trauma ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:16:26 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I work in a club and they showed us the video as part of our fire safety training. This was 2 weeks ago and I still can't get the image of the people stuck in the door out of my head.
sith74 ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 07:31:30 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)*
I remember when this happened. As bad as this might sound, I showed it to my oldest/only child at the time to PROVE to him how little time there is to get out of a fire. Whether it be at a store, event or even our home. I wanted for him to know NOTHING material is worth what will happen if you don't get out the second the smoke detector goes off. Edit: My son, who I mentioned in this post, is in his 20's now. I didn't show this video to a 3 year oldish child. He was able to understand.
KittyMulcher ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 07:49:36 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Those people stuck in the door are the consequences of that. Venues need to have really well designed ways to leave such venues, it's basic instinct to stampede. Humans will be reduced to animals in such scenarios, and if the ways out are poor people will jam together as seen in that door.
sith74 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 08:07:37 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
What's sad is there were other exits. In general people tend to go out the way they came in. But with the back exit here, people were told in those precious few seconds that it was for the band only if I remember correct. That could have saved many lives if that didn't happen. I get sick thinking about all of those who were so close to getting outside, but like you said, the stampede then the fire did them in. Seeing that one person run out over the top of them on fire makes me want to puke. To this day I look for all exits near me just in case.
KittyMulcher ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 08:28:13 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)*
I remember reading this article I wonder what happened to the rest of the research.
Check this video out.
sith74 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:19:50 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I wonder what would happen if they would do the same experiment but blindfold everyone. And disorientate them with loud noises when they are in the center of the room.
thisshortenough ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 09:53:21 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Something similar happened at the stardust nightclub in Dublin but what was worse was that there were other exits but they had been chained from the outside to stop people from sneaking in. So people ran for the exits and were met with a door that opened partially but no more.
sith74 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 11:02:43 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I just looked the Stardust up. Almost 50 people perished. Prayers all these year later.
muffinnsss ยท 96 points ยท Posted at 01:35:35 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Did ghengis khan (sp?) kill someone by pouring molten metal down their throat? That sounds pretty brutal...
panzergling ยท 297 points ยท Posted at 04:48:26 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
It was gold. Historians say that the victim was promised by Khan to conquer the land that he came from in exchange for marrying his sister. The man threatened Khan with killing his unborn child and taking back his sister if he wasn't given a crown, so Khan had his guards break the man's arm and hold him while he poured molten gold over his head saying, "A crown for a king!"
Bonus history fact: That man's sister went on to have the longest title ever bestowed.
[deleted] ยท 154 points ยท Posted at 06:58:10 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
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barbodelli ยท 24 points ยท Posted at 15:05:08 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
You mean to tell me........... HE DIDNT MAKE THAT UP!!!
No way
Ghengis Khan watched GOT too?
[deleted] ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 12:57:54 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Khal drogo?
canadahuntsYOU ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:25:55 on December 16, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Khan Drogo.
Captain_erektion ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:01:49 on December 16, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Genghis Drogo or Khal Khan?
3_INCHS_OF_RAW_POWER ยท 95 points ยท Posted at 06:50:40 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Did you mention his sister was fireproof?
panzergling ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 07:11:32 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
That's in her title.
guntabon ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 17:18:20 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Shes not fireproof. GRRM said it was a magical event, which is why she was burned in ADWD
mute_nostril_agony ยท 27 points ยท Posted at 07:02:19 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Damn, GK was so badass he could steal ideas from a book/TV series over 800 years before they were created!
ohmygod_my_tinnitus ยท 88 points ยท Posted at 06:42:55 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Hmmmm wonder where GRRM got the idea of the Dothraki from.
[deleted] ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 07:08:55 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)*
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[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:17:07 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Spoilers aren't a thing after its been out this long.
Sock_Ninja ยท -6 points ยท Posted at 14:20:33 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
That's not even close to true. By that logic, anyone who gives away the ending of any movie or book before '96 is perfectly fine. I feel pretty confident that there is at least 1 book you're interested in reading that came out before then, and you would not want someone to spoil it.
Besides, what about someone who was too young when it came out, and decided to watch/read when they got old enough to appreciate it?
Also, loosely relevant XKCD.
Coziestpigeon2 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 15:12:55 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
For starters, the moment with the Dothraki is early in the first book. This isn't spoiling an ending, it's giving away one detail of the first hour of a book that was released in 1996, nearly 20-years-ago.
That's not a fucking spoiler, and Darth Vader is Luke's father, Bruce Willis is dead in sixth sense, and Brad Pitt and Edward Norton are the same person in Fight Club. Oh, and Frodo eventually destroys the ring, Aslan is a metaphor for God, and Harry Potter wins at the end.
Sock_Ninja ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:25:05 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
For the record, I agree that the Dothraki comment isn't really a spoiler, and my other comment was meant to be humorous hyperbole. There isn't really a tag for that, though, so it didn't make it across.
Sock_Ninja ยท -8 points ยท Posted at 15:28:04 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
You are the worst kind of person.
ThrowingColdWater ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:11:37 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Oh shut the fuck up you twat.
You're suggesting that no one should ever talk about the details of any story without a spoiler tag because someone might stumble on it? That's absolute nonsense.
Yes, if someone were dropping info about The Force Awakens in a thread like this that would be terribly shitty. But that's not at all what was happening here.
He mentioned a minor plot point in a book that's 20 years old and a TV show that's been out for years as well. And has been a pop culture phenomenon. If you haven't seen Game of Thrones by now, sorry, you aren't really that interested in it to begin with.
If you haven't seen The 6th Sense, somehow don't know that Bruce Willis is dead, and were just waiting for the right moment to watch it? Well, fuck you. You've had 16 years.
You can have six months to legitimately complain about being spoiled in a place where you wouldn't be looking for that info - i.e. an Ask Reddit thread that isn't about Game of Thrones. Six months. Frankly I'm being too generous.
Quit bitching.
Sock_Ninja ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:25:44 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I don't think this particular thread had any great spoilers. My point was that just because something has been out for a while (even a long while), doesn't mean it's fair to spoil it in public. Especially for books. For 1984 or To Kill a Mockingbird, both of which have been out significantly longer than 20 years, I would be extremely sad to have it spoiled before I could read it myself.
I'm not complaining. I don't care about the Dothraki comment. I'm arguing over the concept of spoilers, and how they can still be relevant after a long period of time.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 08:20:11 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Nomadic horsemen from the far east? Could also be the Huns. I don't think Atilla did the c gold thing though
ohmygod_my_tinnitus ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 08:28:58 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
It's probably based off of both. Pulling stuff from both cultured and blending it.
hateplow169 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 09:23:38 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
The Huns and the Mongols are the same people more or less just a couple of hundred years separated.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:52:11 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
My understanding is that they have a lot of similarities and there are plenty of Huns that had mongol ancestors but the Huns were from turkey and had a lot of German and Slavic ancestory too. They didn't leave any records though so I think its guesswork mostly.
hateplow169 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:03:39 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Well they both came from the same place. The Huns were way before the Mongols and are viewed as predecessors to the Huns.
MajorLeeScrewed ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:22:06 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Should we tell him?
WetDonkey6969 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 06:54:08 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
This shit better be in Marco Polo season 2
panzergling ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 07:12:32 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Valar Marcopolo.
superPickleMonkey ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 09:21:56 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
You sure you're not thinking of game of thrones?
Nebjamink ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 12:17:56 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
That's the joke
Sinfonietta_ ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 12:14:28 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
He wasn't the first to do that though. Marcus Licinius Crassus, the richest Roman in history and part of the first Triumvirate along with Caesar and Pompey, met a similar fate at the hands of the Parthians who used it as a representation for his insatiable demand for more money and power. That said, whether it was done to him when he was still alive or already dead is up for dispute.
NewsiesOnAMission ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:22:34 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Oh man thanks for reminding me of that scene :(
All GoT deaths are brutal, that was by far the worst (imo)
panzergling ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 14:25:53 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Not even close bb.
NewsiesOnAMission ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:00:20 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Eh I'm only a few seasons in, but so far that's the one that made me cringe the most.
But I did skip ahead and watch you-know-what. That was more emotionally brutal. Fuck Ollie... :(
Dex22er ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:17:35 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Ah yes, the reign of Khaneesi
elHerpes ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:59:43 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Guess were GoT got its inspiration from then
corsair238 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:23:23 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I thought he actually used silver from what I read.
greyetch ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:28:27 on December 16, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
He also poured silver into one guys ears and eyes.
TheIronBank ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 06:55:49 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Was her name Khaleesi?
KNAAMR ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 07:58:12 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
No, but her title was
all_is_temporary ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 10:09:00 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
For fuck's sake no read the books
TheIronBank ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:11:10 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I've read the series 3 times through
Tisi24 ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 09:16:59 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
You're bullshitting us right?
yy633013 ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 07:15:16 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Wasn't this recreated in Game of Throwns?
Tableman5 ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 07:03:21 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
This is from game of thrones
[deleted] ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 06:38:35 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Yep. Genghis send a massive caravan of gold and precious goods to the city for trade, and the dude (who was governor) decided to kill all the people in the caravan and seize the goods for himself
...very bad idea
rdewalt ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 07:18:36 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Having listened to the Hardcore History "Wrath of the Khans", basically the only real solution to dealing with Genghis was to be on a different continent.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 07:36:17 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
To be fair he send the caravan to trade with them, and even after Governor Dickweed killed all the people and took the loot, Genghis send an emissary to the Khwarezmian Emperor demanding that the governor be given to hin over for punishment, it was only after the emperor killed the emissary that Genghis was like 'fuck this shit...'
I_COMMENT_2_TIMES ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 07:00:37 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
A CROWN FOR A KING
Calicodex ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 06:36:26 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
According to good ole wikipedia, Inalchuq was killed by molten metal being poured into his eyes and ears, couldn't find any throat stuff though.
mostdeadlygeist ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 07:42:23 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
His name was Inalchuq. He killed a large caravan of merchants so Genghis retaliated.
"Genghis Khan besieged Otrar for five months in 1219, eventually breaching its walls. Inalchuq barricaded himself in its inner citadel, and as the Mongols wished to capture him alive in order to publicly execute him, he managed to hold out another month. Eventually he was trapped with his last remaining bodyguards on the upper floors of the citadel, resorting to throwing bricks down on the Mongols, was captured, and executed by means of having molten silver poured into his eyes and ears, though the method of execution might be apocryphal."
Note that this may be a myth, hence apocryphal.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:08:51 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
This is how the Parthians executed (the famously rich) Marcus Licinius Crassus after the Battle of Carrhae in the 50s BC. Molten gold poured down his throat.
Fortunately for Crassus, it didn't take long for Mark Antony to vow revenge, and in the 30s BC (about 20 years later) he... fought a completely ineffective campaign against the Parthians and went home with his tail between his legs.
Fortunately for Antony, it didn't take long for Augustus to vow revenge, and in the 20s BC he... negotiated a very sensible peace treaty with the Parthians.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:37:20 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Manius Aquilius, executed by Mithradates in that fashion.
Mithradates, incidentally, from which we get Mithridatism. Not sure it's the exact same Mithradates, as there have been several.
delta91 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:32:35 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Dan Carlin had some pretty descriptive Khan methods of execution... Fascinating
apoldan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:51:32 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I believe it was molten silver down the man's ear and it was for disrespecting (maybe killing) Mongol ambassadors.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:29:39 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
it was khal drogo.
tomathon25 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:18:50 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
supposedly that's how the parthians killed Crassus.
supahmonkey ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:06:37 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
The Aztecs did this as well IIRC.
NoFearNubIsHere ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:14:21 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
that sounds pretty metal
catbeam ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:03:06 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
it was silver. I read about it in "48 Laws of Power". Khan basically sent a bunch of messengers to try to arrange a meeting with this guy, and the dude was just an asshole. After two or three times of refusal (mostly by killing Khan's men and refusing his gifts), he had enough and took the city. "The Mongol army quickly seized the town of Otrar, relying on superior strategy and tactics. Genghis Khan ordered the wholesale massacre of many of the civilians, enslaved the rest of the population and executed Inalchuq by pouring molten silver into his ears and eyes, as retribution for his actions. Near the end of the battle the Shah fled rather than surrender. Genghis Khan ordered Subutai and Jebe to hunt him down, giving them 20,000 men and two years to do this. The Shah died under mysterious circumstances on a small island within his empire." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genghis_Khan
the_nidificator ยท -6 points ยท Posted at 04:54:47 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Supposedly, he was killed by some amazon-like woman who killed him as he raped her with a knife hidden in her vagina.
RogueViator ยท 115 points ยท Posted at 00:32:23 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I think the victims of Vlad the Impaler would qualify. Slowly sinking into that large stake from gravity seems pretty horrible to me.
The Chinese practice of death by a thousand cuts.
William Wallace being drawn and quartered.
invisiblephrend ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 06:59:09 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
it's called lingchi. do not google it unless you're prepared for the image results that will scar you for life. i frequent gore content fairly often and it's pretty high up there on the list of fucked up shit.
KrakatauGreen ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 08:57:40 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
What are we here for, right?
RogueViator ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:57:16 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah I've seen images of this. Good thing I have a very strong stomach.
shane727 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 06:51:14 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Can you elaborate on the Vlad thing? Sinking onto a stake? I thought the guy just put heads on stakes.
Vagabundoverde ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 07:22:13 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I believe he put them on the stake through the ass and out the mouth. Rumor has it that he watched this for entertainment as he ate.
The_Reddit_Polizei ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 11:40:09 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I read the other comments....those are the legends, more than likely false. I remember studying this in college. Vlad was sent abroad by his father for political reasons, eventually becoming a hostage. Not sure why somebody said he was raped....they actually wanted to turn him against his father and Christianity. Fast forward when he is grown, home and in charge...he would impale enemies to kill them. Stake right in the keister and gravity would force them to slide down, eventually piercing vital organs. Most agree he was quite disturbed, but many believe it was execution to discourage his enemies. Armies that passed these "forests of the dead" were no doubt more than a little uneasy. Nobody wants to meet whoever is capable of that. Sooooo yeah...fucked up, but he's seen as a hero in the area he's from.
Illier1 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:03:31 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Anyone who can hold back the Ottoman Empire and not simply get steamrolled by them deserves props. He is the reason Romania is what it is today.
Plus he inspired Dracula, so he is also a pop icon.
i-d-even-k- ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 17:44:55 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
He's a hero and indeed we are proud of him. Romania exists because of him.
And having his beloved brother get sent along with him, as he was kept and abused, his brother Radu, said to be very beautiful, caught the attention of the sultan himself. Radu became a sex slave of the sultan, and eventually developed Stockholm syndrome.
Fast forward some years, Vlad is now the ruler of Wallachia and a feared, but admired ruler nonetheless. We even still have poems about him. Anyway, get this: you are Vlad. You think your brother is dead. You have the goal to revenge your brother, the only relative you had in that foreign land.
And then an army of invaders attacks your country. And Radu leads them. Your own brother.
Tell me that wouldn't fuck you up.
[deleted] ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 09:19:48 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Nope, he put the entire turk on the stake. Take a 3-4 meter long stake, put the tip in the turk's anus, then raise the stake vertically. Then the turk would slowly die, because of the gravity and also of the crows who would come and eat him alive.
They say that only in 1462 he put 20 000 turks to the stake ( this punishment was reserved only for the turks, probably because Vlad was a prisoner of the sultan as a kid and he was raped, so he raped the turks in revenge ).
afraid_to_merge ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 11:17:49 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Holy shit. I always figured it was the head on a spike thing too. That's so so so so much worse. Urg. At what point would that even kill you?
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 11:45:22 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Well from what I've read, the executioners were careful not to hit the liver or heart in the first moment, so the turk won't die on the spot, but I think that's an exaggeration since when you're impaling thousands at a time, you don't have the time to be careful.
karadan100 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:20:04 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I heard the stake was actually greased and rounded at the end. It was actually rather wide, so the act of slipping over it took a while.
kmutch ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:39:23 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Conversely you'd be pretty good at it after several thousand.
Illier1 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:01:42 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Depends. He impaled you one of two ways. Either through the stomach, which killed you in a day or two. Or if you were a rebellious noble or someone he especially hates he shoved it up the pooper and took twice as long with far more pain.
RogueViator ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:56:40 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
My understanding of it was that victims were impaled through stakes embedded on the ground. This did not kill them immediately and they were left there "hanging". Every time they moved (be it voluntary or involuntary) the stake further impaled itself into them. It often took days for victims to die.
killboydotcom ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 07:36:07 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Not only that, but they were staked up the rectum, and out the mouth. Many didn't live through the procedure, but some did and spent days dying up there.
Illier1 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:04:51 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
He only did the rectal implement for his most hated rivals. Most just got driven through the stomach. And he would only stick it up the first foot maybe, gravity did the rest.
bluevillain ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 01:38:09 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
That... yeah, no. What they did to him wasn't even close to being "drawn and quartered"
And that's the most SFW description one could think of to describe what they did.
EntropyNZ ยท 37 points ยท Posted at 02:10:39 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
What d'yo think 'Hanged, drawn and quartered' means? Hanged until near death, intestines drawn/pulled from the body while still alive, then hacked into 4 pieces (you're usually dead by this point). Drawn is often a point of contention, but generally, it's accepted to mean disemboweled.
William Wallace certainly wasn't the only one. This was the accepted method of execution for treason at the time.
karadan100 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:12:22 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
You generally die of shock when faced with someone tearing out your own intestines.
bluevillain ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 03:56:16 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
He only said:
This is just being tied up between four horses and torn apart when the horses run in four different directions. Which sounds a THOUSAND times better than being disemboweled while still alive and THEN drawn and quartered.
EntropyNZ ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 06:06:44 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Drawn means disemboweled. I'm really not sure where the 'pulled apart by 4 horses' thing came from. I'm sure it was a thing, but it's not a typical component of being hanged, drawn and quartered.
C477um04 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:06:45 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
"Quartered"
4 horses attached to different limbs. Quartered.
KarlKarlsson ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:36:47 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I'm sure that counts, but it isn't the typical meaning
bluevillain ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:04:09 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Drawn (being tied up to horses, see also: horse drawn carriage)
Quartered (separated into four roughly equal parts)
Neither of them indicate disemboweling. I mean it's not like I'm making up the meanings of words here.
9500741 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:43:22 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Wasn't gravity it was a pretty graphic surgery-esque procedure that would leave them alive for days later.
skrybll ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:12:05 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I thought Wallace was disemboweled, going strictly from the "freedom" scene in brave heart.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:45:30 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I read that as Wallace Shawn for some reason, and was really confused
RogueViator ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:47:42 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
dafreshprints ยท 414 points ยท Posted at 23:30:05 on December 14, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Rasputin was poisoned, shot 3 times, put in a body bag, and only after thrown into a river did he die of drowning.
RC_COW ยท 54 points ยท Posted at 01:38:04 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Was he castrated before or after he died? Because his dong is on display somewhere
[deleted] ยท 62 points ยท Posted at 02:05:29 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)*
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[deleted] ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 02:36:11 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Something to do online now guys is google that
dafreshprints ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 07:02:57 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Apparently his dong is on display somewhere in a Russian museum.
AK_Happy ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:12:50 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
But why male models?
[deleted] ยท 220 points ยท Posted at 00:49:17 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
According to legend, anyways. Last I heard there was some debate, and that he may have been offed by a certain majesty's secret service, and the legend was simply allowed to continue since it took blame off them.
MagicHamsta ยท 112 points ยท Posted at 01:39:05 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Also apparently baking the "poisoned" cake may have neutralized/evaporated the poison so he may not have even poisoned him to begin with.
KulaanDoDinok ยท 90 points ยท Posted at 06:21:44 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I thought they put some poison into his wine? Then he drank it all, said "I feel fine."
Magicaddict ยท 88 points ยท Posted at 06:49:15 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Ra Ra Rasputin
Lover of the Russian queen
Samuel412 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 11:22:11 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
There was a cat that really was gone.
natureculls ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 07:17:55 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
My senior report was on Rasputin. They did put it into his wine; wine neutralizes cyanide. Though this could be completely untrue. Everything I read on Rasputin was contradictory. :)
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 10:27:30 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Could be true. Cyanide is pretty reactive, which is a big part of why it's so lethal.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:18:48 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
the book i read in high school history had a reference to a theory that because he was so big, they put in alot of poison, so only the smallest sip would have been needed to kill him, because they put in so much he was a) able to detect it, and drank more deliberatly so his body would reject it, or b) drank so much that by accident his body rejected it.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:49:21 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I was told they used astantine, which doesn't neutralize through heat. Looks like pepper, slightly spicy taste... should kill you dead.
But little did they know, Rasputin had spent a year developing a resistance to
iocane powderastantine... and survived.mistamosh ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:28:14 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Supposedly he also practiced methiditism (spell check me please), ingesting small amounts of toxins over time to build immunity. Either way, he's one of those historical characters where the line between historically accurate evidence and imagination is very blurry.
sonic_the_groundhog ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 04:44:40 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Last i heard rasputin was actually tupac and he roams the streets rapping to himself about being the best there ever was
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:42:59 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
And how about catching them all is his real test?
sonic_the_groundhog ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:09:24 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
As legend has it
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 09:22:48 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
For Queen and Country!
PoisonousPlatypus ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:41:50 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
What are you talking about? The legend names them as the perpetrators.
the-cartmaniac ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 06:49:22 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
RA RA RASPUTIN!
RUSSIAS GREATEST LOVE MACHINE!
spartacus311 ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 04:24:36 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
That's not true. He died from a single bullet to the back of the head. The other stuff was made up later to portray him as an evil mystic.
Peeping_thom ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:48:54 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
wiki says it was the bullet from close range to the head that did him in.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 06:43:02 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
The gunshots were actually fatal, and the dumping in the river was just to dispose of the body, but you can't forget about the earlier assassination attempt where he was stabbed and fought off his attacker with a stick!
thedankbank1021 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:41:49 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
You forgot beaten with canes. And dragged/thrown down stairs.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:35:35 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
is this "whos the rawest man ever?"
railmaniac ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:48:00 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
According to wikipedia
Hockeygod9911 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:45:36 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
He also had a fat cock. No seriously, look it up.
_Fearful_symmetry_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:03:38 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Hypothermia, not drowning.
Boro84 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:50:10 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
actually didnt he survive the attempted drowning?
Kammerice ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:33:07 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Of course he only died of drowning when they threw him in a river: they didn't try to drown him beforehand...
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:39:24 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
"die" Foolish mortals who think Rasputin is not enthroned in his chambers beneath the Kremlin, controlling Putin through the powers of his evil mind...
PunnyBanana ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:18:17 on December 16, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Actually, I believe he died of hypothermia after being thrown in the river, not drowning.
equinoxaeonian ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:26:17 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I thought he got offed by Abe Sapien under the old Cavendish Manor.
tytheguy24 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:32:32 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
That's what you get for being the lover of the Russian queen.
I heard after the put the poison into his wine he said "I feel fine".
Que 2 minute drum Intro.
therealjew ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 04:34:27 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
They also beat him with a shoe after shooting him.
The reason the poison didn't work is because he didn't eat the pastries and the wine was a weak mixture, but still, they used Cyanide.
dark_bug ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 04:53:46 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
one bad motherfucker.
RJWolfe ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 06:15:16 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Then he came back and summoned Hellboy in WW2.
ks501 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 06:52:20 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
According to legend, Rasputin is secretly alive today and known to the world as Khloe Kardashian
Joabyjojo ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 07:07:15 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
When you put it like that it really makes you wonder about Bruce Willis' character in Unbreakable
Dex22er ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 07:10:57 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
To be fair, I didn't expect him to die of drowning before he was thrown into the river...
[deleted] ยท 65 points ยท Posted at 00:07:39 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)*
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nancyaw ยท 52 points ยท Posted at 02:42:21 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
One of the killers was tried in the city I was living in at the time. The whole town was on edge and, at the courtroom, you had black Panthers on one side of the street, facing off against the KKK on the other side. Things were a bit tense.
[deleted] ยท -10 points ยท Posted at 08:36:00 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
sounds like today's college protests but with the other side throwing stones.
nancyaw ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 09:00:33 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
It pretty much was.
crop028 ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 07:05:20 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Non-mobile link. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_James_Byrd,_Jr
Csimensis ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 07:09:04 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
It was awful when I first heard of this. Apparently they found chunks of his flesh imbedded in the dirt for miles.
boefs ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 13:49:04 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
summary:
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 09:04:48 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I can't believe one of the murderers ruined last meals for everyone in Texas, what a total dick head. That guy has a special place in hell
rugtoad ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 17:15:14 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
This comment cracks me up.
The dude brutally murdered a person because of the color of his skin....and here we are saying "What a dickhead" because he ruined the last-meal tradition.
I get what you're saying, he was obviously all kinds of dickhead...it's just kinda funny. Compared to the shit that got him lined up for a last meal in the first place, having someone go out of their way to get you a big, fancy meal and then saying "Eh, I'm not hungry" isn't even a blip on the dickhead-radar.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:57:47 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Ya that was kinda the joke
rugtoad ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:24:58 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Ohhhh, a joke. I get jokes. Hehehe.
AustinCynic ยท 222 points ยท Posted at 00:08:48 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
The Greek mathematician Hypatia was was seized by a mob of Christian fanatics in Alexandria enraged over her pagan beliefs. She was then flayed using broken tiles and/or oyster shells.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypatia
DrEnter ยท 33 points ยท Posted at 02:29:20 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
They made a movie about her.
Pishwi ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 10:46:34 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
From the plot synopsis:
This is one of those examples where the source material was skewed for the better
TheCultist ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 11:47:05 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Watched it some time ago. That was a fine movie
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 12:13:27 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I remember that movie, it was pretty great if you didn't know the premise.
patentologist ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 07:42:17 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Religion of peace right there.
Kaserbeam ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 14:35:37 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I like how you get downvoted for criticising what was essentially the ISIS of a couple hundred years ago.
twenty_seven_owls ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 14:45:32 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
*thousands
bayoemman ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 15:45:54 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Hundreds of years ago is right, Salem Witch Trials come to mind almost immediately and that was 300yrs ago, if we take in the Civil Rights and ties that Christians had with the KKK at the time, then that becomes a hell of a lot closer.
twenty_seven_owls ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 16:23:55 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Early Christianity - essentially a radical cult focused on death and martyrdom - was more comparable to ISIS than a world religion it became later.
On the other hand, if you count people like Lord's Resistance Army, it's not even a couple hundred years ago, it's, like, right now.
bayoemman ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:29:16 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
You said thousands of years ago, and I'm telling you it wasn't that long ago and I provided you with examples, there are still Christians and sects of Christianity that are super fucked up, it doesn't take away or excuse ISIS.
twenty_seven_owls ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:45:15 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Didn't the discussion start with Hypatia, who lived about 17 centuries ago?
bayoemman ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:53:56 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
It did, its funny how conversations evolve or devolve.
Nomulite ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:39:17 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Except ISIS is just a fucked up Muslim sect.
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 16:20:58 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:56:00 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Lol, sure they have.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:43:38 on December 16, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:02:38 on December 16, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Have you seen what fringe Christian groups are doing in Africa? They are just as bad, why don't you do some fuckin research and grow up yourself.
patentologist ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:29:06 on December 16, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
They mostly come out at night. Mostly.
wilder782 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 04:31:03 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
As someone who has jumped barefoot an an oyster shell, ouch indeed.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:43:03 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)*
And now they have a Canadian math contest named after her
Satans__Secretary ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 08:31:18 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
People wonder why I don't share my beliefs IRL...
the_nidificator ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 04:47:06 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Fun.
tomcis147 ยท 679 points ยท Posted at 22:25:03 on December 14, 2015 ยท (Permalink)*
I don't know much but probly Apollo 1 crew, Challenger crew and Columbia crew
Apollo 1 Burning alive and not being able to exit capsule on launchpad
Challenger smashing at high speed into ocean
Columbia dying on reentry at super high speed and temperature
Edit: missed r for Challenger
hardonchairs ยท 456 points ยท Posted at 23:22:54 on December 14, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Freaked me out to learn that some of the crew aboard Challenger were "probably alive" and "possibly conscious" as it fell to earth.
MirthMannor ยท 236 points ยท Posted at 02:18:03 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Also, still apparently trying to regain control of the "space shuttle" before it hit the ocean.
[deleted] ยท 172 points ยท Posted at 05:17:01 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)*
There was nothing to regain control of though. Edit:
Damn
Edit 2: this quote:
Shanix ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 15:37:09 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
It's human nature to wrest control and beat death over the head given the chance.
murderofcrows90 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:10:46 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, that "would suck."
Internet_Exploder ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:18:25 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Video link.
PM_ME_UR_YES-NO_Ques ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:14:34 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Thanks for the laugh in this depressing thread.
DibsArchaeo ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 08:16:20 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
My lower school science teacher was one of the top 5, I forget what number, but far up enough that if only a couple people were unable to complete training, she'd be on the teacher in space project.
She was invited to watch the launch live and passed out after she saw everything. She never took anything for granted after that.
thundersky309 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:36:33 on December 19, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I think they need suicide pills for astronauts.
Disproves ยท 207 points ยท Posted at 01:48:36 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I don't see how that's awful, as far as bad ways to die go. I'd prefer this to like 95% of the ways people have died.
[deleted] ยท 68 points ยท Posted at 02:29:17 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)*
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[deleted] ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 03:53:06 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
It's generally estimated that there has been 100 billion people, with around 7 billion alive today.
MajorLeeScrewed ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:15:35 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
There have been 100 billion people?
__LordNibbler__ ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 07:05:47 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
In the future, if space travel becomes normal, people will look back on your comment and think of you as insane.
NightHawkRambo ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 09:13:13 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Better save that comment then for all the karma...
Work_McGurk ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:53:52 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I think it's a bit of a silly comment anyway. "Oh, I'm going to die? At least I'm dying 25 miles above Earth, rather than on the surface. Boy I'd hate to die down there!"
UnicornCan ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 05:06:17 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
What makes it so terrible is that they were preventable. IIRC Apollo 1 had a hatch that took way too long to open (it also may have opened to the inside), they later fixed this. Engineers insisted that Challenger shouldn't launch during winter (the low temperature created a faulty o-ring which led to the SRB exploding). The crew on Columbia knew of the damaged heat shielding, they just thought that it wouldn't be an issue. Sorry if these aren't 100% true, I'm on mobile and not really able to look everything up
PrezziObizzi ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 07:25:04 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
yeah we studied the Challenger explosion while studying Ethics in our Engineering class, and engineers repeatedly said that they could not make any guarantees that the o-rings would work as intended during the launch weather and that it should be delayed, yet they still went ahead with it.
wackawacka2 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:28:34 on December 16, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
That's maddening :(
TehSkiff ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:50:38 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
With Apollo 1, you are correct: the hatch opened inward. Additionally, the pressure vessel was pressurized (at the time) to over 1 atmosphere...meaning the crew would have needed superhuman strength to pull the hatch inward.
The air mixture inside the capsule was 100% oxygen. The huge amount of velcro around the cabin was near a wire that had frayed. Velcro + 100% oxygen + shorting wire = no chance of survival.
GeorgeAmberson ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:38:28 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
The pressure in the capsule before the fire was sea level +5PSI to simulate 5PSI positive pressure in space. 100% oxygen and that over pressurization made for an insane fire hazard.
After the fire started in the airtight spacecraft it caused the pressure to increase until the spacecraft actually ruptured. You are correct, but the pressure was even worse due to the fire.
tommystjohnny ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:28:28 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I don't know this for sure, but for Challenger, it was probably some of the crew's (like that teacher) first time going in to space. For those people to be that close to their dream and then have it taken away forever in a fiery explosion makes it pretty fucking awful.
Disproves ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 02:30:02 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
It's awful in the way that death is awful. But beyond that? I don't really think so. We have 8 year olds dying of cancer, torture, children being forced to kill their own parents... blowing up in a rocket sounds comparatively all right.
Ohhrubyy ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 05:04:07 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I think the worst part for me is that all of the teacher's students were watching. And everyone's family. That seared in their brains forever has got to suck.
Sonic_Is_Real ยท 72 points ยท Posted at 01:37:32 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
There are worse ways to die
kellbyb ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:45:58 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Well yeah, that's what this thread is for.
Sonic_Is_Real ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:58:39 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Its the comparison that makes me salty
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 02:22:07 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Horrible deaths for sure, but hardly the worst way to die.
Darksirius ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 06:14:12 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
To some comfort, it's believed the crew of Columbia were rendered unconscious almost immediately due to rapid decompression. During that phase of flight, I believe they don't have their helmets on, so they are not sealed against the outside environment should the worst happen.
tbos92 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 06:33:42 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Challenger blew up in the air I thought?
0OKM9IJN8UHB7 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:35:30 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
The spacecraft was sorta intact and it's thought that the crew were alive until it hit the ocean at several hundred miles per hour.
DoctorSauce ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 07:11:22 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Hundreds of people per year experience more horrific deaths in car accidents. Those were pretty tame as far as this thread is concerned.
CoolDragon ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:26:24 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Komarov from the Lost Cosmonauts. Youtube it, you can hear his last word as he plunged into earth with a faulty vostok module, the parachutes did not open and he slammed into the ground. There is a scene where the capsule just bursts into the earth; damn soviet political officers even told him to STFU and take it like a hero as he screamed his last words. Quite the errie spectacle.
mistamosh ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 08:41:00 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)*
The "lost cosmonauts" have been proven to be fake, their recordings are amateur made with really poor Russian. Komarov's story is true. But it wasn't concealed, quite the opposite. Komarov also allegedly knew that he would likely die as concerns about the spacecraft had not been taken seriously about its ability for reentry. Komarov actually volunteered to go over Gagarin on the flight. He almost certainly knew how it would end, but claimed he would go anyway instead of Gagarin because, as he said lovingly, "that's Yura", the two were good friends.
Edit for source:
http://www.npr.org/sections/krulwich/2011/05/02/134597833/cosmonaut-crashed-into-earth-crying-in-rage
The story is more touching than I led on.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:02:22 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
There are literally thousands of worse ways to die
Aiku ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:30:41 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
What about being hung, drawn and quartered? That took a LOT more time...
mecaenas ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:45:57 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Seems pretty mild in comparison, and over in seconds or at most minutes.
Themrchester ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:19:59 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
At least you died doing some cool shits.
chasingstatues ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:39:24 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)*
I completely forgot about this song until just now, but I think it's about the Columbia crash: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=cEnHMj67FCs&autoplay=1
Edit: googled it, it was inspired by the Columbia crash. 3:03 gives me chills.
ChaIroOtoko ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:11:35 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
If you are counting challenger then you should count every plane crash too.
UncleSneakyFingers ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 04:44:06 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Challenger didn't crash into the ocean. It blew up mid air after launch.
Large_Dr_Pepper ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 06:55:10 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Actually you're wrong about both. The Challenger didn't really blow up, its fuel just sort of turned into a gigantic fireball. The part of the rocket that the crew was in was still intact and fell 65,000 feet to the water.
beaverlyknight ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 01:59:19 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe not Apollo 1, but Challenger and Columbia would be pretty swift deaths, you probably would only realize you were about to die for a split second at most.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 05:29:08 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
The challenger astronauts were likely all alive for the remaining 2 and a half minutes of their trajectory after breakup. The crew capsule was much stronger than the rest of the ship, and you can see it exiting the plume after the explosion. Several switches had also been flipped after the fact, and their emergency oxygen things had been activated. It's still not the worst way to go, but they likely knew what was happening.
Also the Apollo 1 disaster was likely quicker than this - the oxygen potency in that capsule was enough to burn the aluminum.
Large_Dr_Pepper ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:56:33 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
What do you mean by "the oxygen potency was enough to burn aluminum"?
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:51:08 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Aluminum is a reactive metal and will readily oxidize when activated with oxygen. Because of this, most aluminum you'll see in the world has an oxidized outer coating where the metal has reacted with oxygen already (pretty much the same for most metals). The oxidation reaction of Aluminum into Aluminum oxide is energetically favorable and releases quite a bit of energy through heat (also why most thermites usually use aluminum as the thermate). If you've ever thrown an aluminum can into a campfire, you'll notice it turns into a white ashy substance after about 10 minutes. That's the result of the aluminum burning, and that ash that's leftover is mostly aluminum oxide and whatever that plastic labelling turns into.
The statement I made about the Apollo capsule was that the conditions of the capsule became so hot, and had such a high potency of oxygen in the atmosphere (it was 100% oxygen), that it ended up actually oxidizing any aluminum structure that was exposed to the interior of the capsule. Rapid oxidation might sound better but burning aluminum is an accurate enough way of stating it since that's what's essentially happening.
Also, this reaction is so energetic that we put aluminum in rocket fuel. The aluminum composition in the fuel of the SRB's on the shuttle was something like 40% or higher, I don't remember the exact number. The aluminum powder additive greatly increases the temperature of the combustion chamber and drives the reaction to be much quicker. Keep in mind that this is powdered aluminum (micron size), and reacts more readily than the aluminum foil you should move away from your stove top.
0OKM9IJN8UHB7 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:40:54 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
It was a pure oxygen environment, and somebody had the bright idea of lining the thing with velcro, things burned quick.
TheRabidDeer ยท 78 points ยท Posted at 06:53:50 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
King George II apparently habitually died, according to my textbook from school
frunt ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:42:07 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
First time's always the worst, but after that you kind of get a taste for it.
vivaladisney ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:11:16 on December 16, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Old habits die hard.
Sssgth ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:38:26 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
ยฟรl habรญa muerto algunos tiempos antes de eso?
[deleted] ยท 132 points ยท Posted at 02:22:36 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I'm so sorry I clicked this post.
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 07:19:55 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)*
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BelieveInThePeeko ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:03:50 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
the nightmares i'm gonna have. Shit man, why did i come here
Wupss ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:31:13 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
It's ok man we forgive you.
timidforrestcreature ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:47:34 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Don't worry well give you a clean death filthy wizard!
Quad_H ยท 85 points ยท Posted at 02:28:50 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Girl in Ukraine, got drunk and wandered off to the catacombs by herself got lost and died the worst way possible. Starving, hallucination, terror. Its terrifying. For more info read the comment on the this postand see the picture: https://www.reddit.com/r/creepy/comments/z98uh/this_is_what_happens_when_you_get_lost_in_the/
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 08:56:01 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
put your left hand on one wall and dont take it off, then when you come to a fork leave something there a mark on the ground an item of clothing rip off your finger nail or pull out a tuff of hair, eventually you will find an exit, or at the very least you will die know there was a chance
Drumanas ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 11:59:40 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
1,500 miles of catacombs to go through. You likely wouldn't find an exit before you die from exhaustion or dehydration.
TheStarkGuy ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 13:09:47 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Impossible with them. They twist and loop.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:15:38 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
thats why i said put something down so you know if you've looped. its still a better chance then walking in one direction aimlessly, then doubling back because you thought you went the wrong way.
Busted_nut_sack ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 20:03:42 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
It was pitch black.
colonspiders4u ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:38:08 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Rip off my fingernail?
I think maybe I'll just poop on the floor instead.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 11:29:51 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:20:41 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Sorry i meant to give instructions to someone else who might get stuck down there, the article i read from the previous "worst deaths" thread said she did have a torch, but it would have died long before she did, she however was under the influence of alcohol and already not in the best state
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:24:44 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:28:18 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
apparently a group of them went exploring and she got seperated
Reddit_cctx ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:59:00 on December 16, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Well yeah, but in this scenario you would be partying in pitch black catacombs. Also some english speakers call flashlights torches.
[deleted] ยท 40 points ยท Posted at 02:58:33 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
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GoliathTCB ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 08:07:50 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Can we get a tl;dw for this?
Satans__Secretary ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 09:01:56 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
t;dw guy gagged, bound, choked, beaten, raped, shot, shot again
RdDrtCoozie ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 14:41:39 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Chanon Christian, Newsom's girlfriend was repeatedly raped and beaten. When the assailants realized they had left dna on/in her. They poured bleach on her and in her, while she was still alive. Then wrapped her body in a black trashbag and her head in a white grocery sack and stuffed her in a kitchen trashcan. She died while suffocating, after surving the beating, raping, and bleach.
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 17:41:40 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I remember watching this little fuck on the stand and he was trying to blame his actions on smoking a blunt that was soaked with formaldehyde. I hope those little cunts get the needle or the chair. Fuck them.
random-engineer ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:26:42 on December 16, 2015 ยท (Permalink)*
Not only did they pour bleach on her, they poured it down her throat. They also cut off one of her breasts, (at least I remember that being reported, but they don't give all the details anymore) and do other horrific things to both of them. She apparently slowly suffocated in the trash bin
teamtebow ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:20:27 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
person becomes dead.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:57:16 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
i like you
mostdeadlygeist ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 07:51:25 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I remember when that happened and couldn't believe this wasn't complete national news. Guess it's a hate crime the other way around.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 07:20:12 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I remember watching one of those Investigative Discovery (I think?) shows on this. Needless to say, I was fucking scarred
Sock_Ninja ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:29:26 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I live in Knoxville, though I didn't move here til recently after the events. It felt like it haunted the entire city for quite a few years.
Last I heard, they were convicted, but it was thrown out because the judge was drunk. Not really sure what is going on now. I think they are waiting new trials.
random-engineer ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:27:50 on December 16, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
High on painkillers. And they have upheld most of the sentences, I think they are retrying one or two of the 4
greyetch ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:43:35 on December 16, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
What happened to these two was awful.
It is also awful that Glen Beck is only reporting this to win a fucking argument with Oprah. What a piece of shit.
hall_residence ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 06:40:51 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
This one makes me sick to my stomach. Reggie and Carol Sumner, both 61 years old and disabled, were abducted, duct taped and buried alive.. when their bodies were located and dug up they were embracing each other. Cause of death was mechanical asphyxiation. There was sand in their lungs. I don't know, this story is just horrifying to me.
https://mylifeofcrime.wordpress.com/2012/01/28/update-reggie-and-carol-sumner-murder-tiffany-ann-cole-convicted-sentenced-to-death/
TheToasterTV ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 06:17:41 on December 16, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Ugh. Tell me about it. I've had constipation for a few days now and my stomach is just killing me.
GeebusNZ ยท 108 points ยท Posted at 23:49:47 on December 14, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I expect the most horrible ways people have died in history won't even be recorded. People suffering for extended periods of time without explanation for what was going on only to die, withered and hopeless.
nitro316 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 07:48:02 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Think they just call that life.
Poo__Brain ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 08:21:05 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
zing!
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 08:37:57 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
if this thread is anything to go by, the most twisted thing the average person can invent is child's play compared to what truly sadistic people can devise.
GeebusNZ ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 08:52:53 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
It's not the twisted things the average person can invent which is the worry. It's the interaction of viruses, fungus, bacteria and mutations in the average person.
Tratix ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:36:48 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I really can't realistically think of anything worse than the methods already described in this thread.
GeebusNZ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:39:33 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
How about something like this?
Tratix ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:45:07 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Context?
GeebusNZ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:02:50 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Bone cancer of the skull.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:19:22 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Well in some cases it's to make a point that way people would think twice before doing something against you.
GeebusNZ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:49:02 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I was referring more to disease, of which there is a seemingly endless variety of awful things which can be done to a human body.
Fuck_Me_If_Im_Wrong_ ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:40:32 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Soooooo... The Holocaust?
spongish ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 03:53:29 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Edward II of England. He had a red hot poker shoved into his arse so as to not leave a visible scar on his body. Maybe not the absolute worst way to die in this thread, but for a King it was pretty horrific way to go.
nickyardo ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:33:51 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I think it would be pretty horrific for anyone
peon2 ยท 26 points ยท Posted at 23:33:49 on December 14, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
That sinkhole guy near the top of TIL right now has to be up there
https://www.reddit.com/r/todayilearned/comments/3wqmwv/til_that_a_man_in_florida_ran_to_his_brothers/
Satans__Secretary ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 08:54:54 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Reminds me of a story where my PE teacher was outside during an Earthquake, and the ground in front of her opened up and then closed on some people... *shivers*
thatswhatshesaidxx ยท 34 points ยท Posted at 06:17:55 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)*
Mary Turner:
A mob of over 100 tied her ankles, hung her upside down from a tree, doused her in gasoline and motor oil and set her on fire.
While Turner was still alive, a member of the mob split her abdomen open with a knife. Her unborn child fell on the ground, where it gave a cry before it was stomped on and crushed. Finally, Turner's body was riddled with hundreds of bullets. Mary Turner and her child were cut down and buried near the tree, with a whiskey bottle marking the grave.
According to Philip Dray, โThere, before a crowd that included women and children, Mary was stripped, hung upside down by the ankles, soaked with gasoline, and roasted to death. In the midst of this torment, a white man opened her swollen belly with a hunting knife and her infant fell to the ground, gave a cry, and was stomped to death. The Constitutionโs coverage of the killing was subheaded-lined: โFury of the People Is Unrestrained.โ
Edit: moaaaaaar
Jesse Washington aka The Waco Horror
Washington was tried for murder in Waco, in a courtroom filled with furious locals. He entered a guilty plea and was quickly sentenced to death. After his sentence was pronounced, he was dragged out of the court by observers and lynched in front of Waco's city hall. Over 10,000 spectators, including city officials and police, gathered to watch the attack. There was a celebratory atmosphere at the event, and many children attended during their lunch hour. Members of the mob castrated Washington, cut off his fingers, and hung him over a bonfire. He was repeatedly lowered and raised over the fire for about two hours. After the fire was extinguished, his charred torso was dragged through the town and parts of his body were sold as souvenirs. A professional photographer took pictures as the event unfolded, providing rare imagery of a lynching in progress. The pictures were printed and sold as postcards in Waco.
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 07:35:03 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
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thatswhatshesaidxx ยท 24 points ยท Posted at 07:42:27 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)*
Black in America
"Eight months pregnant, Turner and her child were murdered after she publicly denounced the unlawful extrajudicial killing of her husband, Hazel Turner, by a mob. "
She was killed for telling White people she didn't like that they murdered her husband for being Black in America.
CuteCatGirl_ ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 09:21:30 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I am so angry right now... I'm legitimately angry... I need to go to bed...
thatswhatshesaidxx ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:30:08 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
don't worry. they were lone wolves.
CuteCatGirl_ ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 09:34:49 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
The fact that someone can cut open a pregnant woman horrifies me the most here.
CanadianJogger ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 07:58:10 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Because she protested the unlawful execution of her husband.
redditnpopcorn ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 13:20:14 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)*
Thanks for pointing that out. Seriously. I am overtired and I misread when I read wiki. I thought they killed her for killing her husband and I kept going wth?? Like I'm believing that... (but kept thinking, it was on wiki... guess I'm labeled now, eh??)
CanadianJogger ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:31:40 on December 16, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
We're all tired now and then. Don't trouble yourself over it. :)
redditnpopcorn ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:27:51 on December 17, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Thanks! finally got some sleep, lolol the key word there tho was, some* What I'd give to be able to just take a pill and sleep (and this from a pill hater, but some times, one just has to do what one has to do) and if they worked, I would.
CanadianJogger ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 11:09:05 on December 17, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
ha. I should be asleep right now.
redditnpopcorn ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:54:57 on December 17, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
You and I both!!
laustcozz ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 07:37:44 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
This wasn't even 100 years ago. People in mobs are monsters.
thatswhatshesaidxx ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 07:41:21 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Read about the Waco Nightmare for some real f'd up....after lunching the kid thwy sold postcards of the body. On some sick nasty ISIS type shit.
laustcozz ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 07:47:35 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Although that is pretty brutal, it was a brutal execution of a murderer. Doesn't horrify me nearly as much as cutting a live baby out of an innocent woman and stomping it to death in front of her.
redditnpopcorn ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:12:01 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)*
She was 8 months along too.
thatswhatshesaidxx ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:52:29 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
"murderer", but I read the words you printin' bruh
laustcozz ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 08:01:35 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I know there are a lot of bullshit confessions in this sort of case, but it sounds like this particular time the sheriff did it right. According to wikipedia, The sheriff found him at home the night of the murder wearing bloody clothes. He questioned and quickly released Washington's family. Moved him to another county to protect him from vigilante justice. When interviewed the next day he confessed and gave the location of the murder weapon.
thatswhatshesaidxx ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 08:27:34 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I read that too re; horific ways people died part, I was on about the postcards bit more than anything....the fuck kinda Rob Zombie horror movie is that shit - handing out the postcards of mutilated bodies n shit....the fuck!
redditnpopcorn ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:16:33 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Same. The postcards bring a real wtf?? to it.
Like what they did wasn't bad enough... the postcards, that shames Waco on a whole new level.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:51:42 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
So the people who did this could still be alive? I hope a nurse is putting air in their next injection.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 09:58:14 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
why did they do that to mary turner?
redditnpopcorn ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 13:07:34 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I asked that of someone else that mentioned her, but since this person had Jesse's wiki, I went back to wiki:
Mary Turner (1899 - 19 May 1918) was a nineteen-year-old black woman, lynched in Lowndes County, Georgia.[1][2][3] Eight months pregnant, Turner and her child were murdered after she publicly denounced the unlawful extrajudicial killing of her husband, Hazel Turner, by a mob.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:17:24 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
thankyou for the information.
thatswhatshesaidxx ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:59:25 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
christineyvette ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:52:17 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
JESUS
thatswhatshesaidxx ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 08:52:59 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
packed up his shit and left after that.
CanadianJogger ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:32:34 on December 16, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Bad shit just seems to happen in Waco.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:29:25 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
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thatswhatshesaidxx ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:57:36 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
One wasn't guilty of a single thing, nor was her husband whom she protested them killing and the other was found guilty by the same mob that killed him.
There was quite possibly evidence as written,and I'm not gonna argue on a platform of conspiracy - but since the man didn't go full Saw/Hostel torture and then sell pics and postcards of it....I'm gonna say the mob was worse.
Cutting genitalia and fingers n shit and dipping over a fire. I swear I haven't even heard of ISIS or Al-Queada or whomever next weeks enemy is doing anything like that!!
aaronaapje ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 13:27:31 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
a bit late to the party but the most graphic, horrible way must go to Truls Hellevik (Norwegian, 34 years old).
Truls was diver on an oil platform sitting in the pressure chamber on the fifth of November 1983. the pressure chamber was at that moment pressurised at 9 atmospheres and the diving bell was attached when two other divers wanted to detach it. The problem was that they detached it before Truls completely closing the door to the bell resulting in a 24" opening between the pressure chamber and the open air.
The result of the sudden pressure drop made the tree other divers to spontaneously explode because it was so quick the air in the lungs can't get out fast enough. but Truls didn't had the pleasure of exploding because he was just to close to the opening he simply got suck trough the 24" opening, like this crab gif, only in an instance and not a second. It was so violent parts of his spine were found 10m above the opening.
OldWiseMonkey ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:29:23 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Reminds me of this Delta P YouTube video, explaining the dangers of pressure change - it has the crab in it. https://youtu.be/AEtbFm_CjE0
elma3allem ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 06:11:13 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Not sure why I decided to check out this thread before going to bed. It's gonna be a night
TimTheConnMan ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 14:40:57 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
WHY DO I KEEP READING
skyy0731 ยท 68 points ยท Posted at 02:00:58 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I can't refind the source because it pops up with the usual, less sadistic "where a bamboo shoot is grown through the body of a victim" stuff but...
The japanese used to torture and kill victims by wrapping fresh, wet bamboo chutes around their testicles and tie them to the ground. Slowly, the sun would harden the bamboo around their nutsack to the point of implosion, killing them by bleeding out.
nickyardo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:21:52 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I thought it was the Chinese?
skyy0731 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:23:22 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe that's why I can't find a source
Abstraction1 ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 06:57:03 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
During the initial uprising in Syria. "shabiha" (Assads Militia) would go around torturing people in entire villages if anyone was suspected of protesting Assad.
Raping families and forcing them to rape each other was common practise. Electric drills and shit was also used.
One thing is to die. Another is to witness your loved ones tortured and killed too.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/syria/9400570/Confessions-of-an-Assad-Shabiha-loyalist-how-I-raped-and-killed-for-300-a-month.html
LegalElk ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 07:10:12 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Some of the victims of Ted Bundy died pretty badly. He would do things such as inserting objects into their vaginas and ripping to form one large wound from their anus (and beyond) to their naval, then raping them. He would also take bites out of their flesh while raping them and cut/bite off their nipples and or breasts, all while they were still alive (and still being raped). Often being finally finished offed by being beaten to death with blunt objects after the torture was over.
wonked_off_a_pog ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 07:12:02 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Tim Lopes (born Arcanjo Antonino Lopes do Nascimento; November 18, 1950 โ June 2, 2002) was a Brazilian investigative journalist and producer for the Brazilian television network Rede Globo. In 2002, the media reported him missing while working undercover on a story in one of Rio's favelas. It was later learned that Lopes had been accosted by drug traffickers who controlled the area; was kidnapped; driven to the top of a neighboring favela in the trunk of a car; tied to a tree and subjected to a mock trial; tortured by having his hands, arms, and legs severed with a sword while still alive; and then had his body placed within tires, covered in gasoline and set on fire โ a practice that traffickers have dubbed micro-ondas (allusion to the microwave oven).
timidforrestcreature ยท 29 points ยท Posted at 12:35:56 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
100 bucks says RR Martin is browsing this post with the biggest boner he's ever had.
-eDgAR- ยท 84 points ยท Posted at 00:11:48 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Mr. Hands had a pretty horrible death..
OfficiallyAexq ยท 42 points ยท Posted at 01:24:20 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Opened the link and my first words were "What the fuck"
theshponglr ยท 26 points ยท Posted at 01:54:15 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
at work so... cant open. this is where he is shredded on the inside from a horse dick right?
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 02:33:24 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Yep.
zarfytezz1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:14:51 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Are horse dicks really rough or something? I've wondered how he could actually die from that..
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:23:21 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I grew up around horses, their erect penises are quite large. (At least a foot)
zarfytezz1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:00:03 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)*
Wouldn't they just "not fit" in a guy's ass then, the horse would get hurt, and pull out and not go in again? Seems like a horse's dick should tear before a guy's ass...or no?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:41:49 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
...Try googleing that and see why it doesn't work.
zarfytezz1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:30:29 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Google what, exactly? o.o
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:54:54 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Horse porn, I dunno
yech ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 07:29:53 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Can't look at a news story at work but can type out on the work computer:
zarfytezz1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:14:39 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Are horse dicks really rough or something? I've wondered how he could actually die from that..
yech ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:25:20 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Not an expert but going with size and weight. Imagine Barry Bond's going to town with a baseball bat. In your ass.
OfficiallyAexq ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:26:30 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Pretty much.
abnormalsyndrome ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:33:16 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Yes. "Too much?"
MiffedCanadian ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:07:11 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Dude wtf. You couldn't open the link yet still knew what it was from his title?
theshponglr ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:47:58 on December 17, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
yup lol Mr. Hands was a popular guy years ago. I forgot about him until now hahah
Dgamer2 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 01:43:21 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
yup, that title gave me the exact same words. except i shouted them infront of my family. I choose not to explain what i had seen.
GReggzz732 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:42:28 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
You're a man now, son...
byllz ยท 86 points ยท Posted at 01:41:33 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
It is all because of this dumb fuck that us Washingtonians aren't allowed to make sweet sweet love to animals.
zarfytezz1 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:16:01 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)*
Not really, if you want to be specific it's the dumb fucks in the legislature who thought passing such a broad law was the "solution" to this problem. It'd be like someone having some sort of insanely risky sex with a dude, dying, and then the government decides the solution is to ban sex with dudes, even though literally millions of others had sex with dudes and didn't die.
There's just not a sufficient number of zoophile advocacy groups to really have a voice, so the government knows they can trample on them like that.
Dude was pretty dumb, though..
[deleted] ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 02:14:28 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
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nancyaw ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:38:39 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Part of me wants to watch it. Part of me doesn't. And I wonder how long it was from the time of colon rupture to the time they took him to the hospital.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 08:15:23 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I thought it was interesting. Even though video exists of the event, it wasn't shown in the movie. They do, however, show his friends/family watching the video. They also interview the people that went to the ranch where it happened and took the animals.
Reddit_cctx ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:55:45 on December 16, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Why would friends and especially family want to watch the damn video??
nancyaw ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 03:50:13 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Never mind. I tried to watch it and it was boring as fuck. Nothing about the man, really, and if you didn't know what the subject matter was going in, the film gives you no clue.
moforiot ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 07:11:50 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Should have stuck it out, you missed buckets of horse porn and a Shetland pony trained to suck huge stallion dick.
nancyaw ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 08:21:44 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Man, I always miss all the fun!
nancyaw ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 03:50:21 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Never mind. I tried to watch it and it was boring as fuck. Nothing about the man, really, and if you didn't know what the subject matter was going in, the film gives you no clue.
JacksLackOfSuprise ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:37:43 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Something tells me we're gonna be waiting wore quite some time for the Netflix release
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:01:08 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Wow I didn't know they made a movie about him.
I'll have to check it out.
kungfu_punch ยท 29 points ยท Posted at 02:54:49 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
"police seized hundreds of hours of videotapes of men engaging in receptive anal sex with horses."
HUNDREDS of hours. Just... Wow.
clownlovingbaboo ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 13:54:01 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I was going to make a facetious comment about the sexual stamina of stallions but they probably don't need the ego boost - they're all hung like a horse...
J973 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:33:18 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
That's what I'm saying. I think that the dudes probably liked it, it's just things this time got out of hand.
railmaniac ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 08:57:25 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Or way into hand. Hands. Mr Hands.
nancyaw ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 02:37:46 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I just don't get how that can happen. You just bend over and goatse and the horse goes hey, cool, a hole; think I'll fuck it? If that were the case seems like horses would be fucking knotholes.
Baron_von_chknpants ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:53:33 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Think it has something to do with being near a mare in heat, getting the stallion randy, and then bending over so the horse thinks 'ohh, fucky fucky'
zarfytezz1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:17:39 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Aren't you supposed to rub mare vaginal fluid on your hole first, to attract them? (I'm serious here)
Large_Dr_Pepper ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 07:10:35 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
We're talking about a guy that died from letting a horse do him in the butt and your first thought is, "hmmm, how can I get a horse to do me in the butt"?
nancyaw ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 08:22:46 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
What can I say? I'm the pragmatic sort. My immediate question was "How exactly did that work?" I mean, I know the average size of a horse dick and the average size of an asshole and something's just not adding up.
chinchillazilla54 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:38:07 on December 16, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I saw the video once (unwittingly; my friends are jerks). IIRC, he had another guy with him who helped, uh, line up the horse dick.
Also, he'd done this many times before, so his asshole was probably not of average size.
moforiot ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 07:10:08 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I watched a documentary about those horse fuckers and that horse fucking Disney Land they was running. There's a scene where one of the horse fuckers is talking about how when he realized that the feds were gonna come for them he panicked and gathered up all their home-made horse porn into a couple five gallon buckets. Talking CDs, VHS tapes, Polaroids, and shit. There's a re-enacted scene of this, where the horse fucker is running through a field with two 5 gallon buckets full of horse porn to go hide it in the woods. Cause, hey, after this investigation is over he's gonna need that shit for jacking off later. And then it cuts to a scene of the feds following a fucking Hansel and Gretel trail of horse porn to the stash in the woods.
DJDanaK ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:10:51 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I don't know why this is so fucking hilarious
[deleted] ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 02:10:35 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Oh Enumclaw. Once skipped school to take an hour long bus ride with some friends to meet up with a friend who had acid and trip in some woods up in Enumclaw. That was a fun time. Missed my Spanish final.
Takoulya ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:12:20 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Feel like the deceased here did the same but may have popped too much molly instead
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:39:00 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
That's quite possible.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:45:16 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
not enough amyl nitrate at the very least
AttilaTheFun818 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:18:03 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I got E-Coli from eating at a McDonalds there around '98 or so.
Yeah...was a big mistake making that stop during a road trip. E-Coli is not the most pleasant of diseases.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:43:58 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Enumclaw is not the most pleasant of places.
Run_Biden ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 02:52:12 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Finally found the name of the worst video I have ever watched. His screams still haunt me.
SexyR63VinylScratch ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 02:48:36 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Goin' out like a fuckin' champ...
J973 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:31:41 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Ehh... just read the wikipedia.... seems like he and at least one other person had visited the horse frequently. I think he probably liked the horse dick up his ass, but that's a dangerous game to play with a 1200 pound animal that has a dick the size of a baseball-bat
<--I've always had horses, I know these things.
narfidy ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 07:02:45 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Hey my roommate is from Enumclaw. He gets upset when this is the only thing people know about it
invisiblephrend ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:08:33 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
on a related note, i'm pretty certain that the one man, one jar guy is probably a goner as well. still one of the the most depraved videos i've ever seen.
Hugh_Jampton ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 09:59:26 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
No he lived and interviewed afterwards. He said he's fine
invisiblephrend ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 11:21:07 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
damn, that's crazy. he lost so much blood, i thought he'd bleed out in a matter of minutes.
nnyx ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:08:56 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
It must have missed his butthole artery.
jzsilver ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 06:37:39 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Locked-in Syndrome. Not death per se, but pretty fucked up.
kitty_twofour ยท 444 points ยท Posted at 23:17:17 on December 14, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Alan Turing was chemically castrated for being gay and then killed himself. Maybe that's actually less about dying in an awful way and more about dying for an awful reason. ๐ง
Triquetra4715 ยท 621 points ยท Posted at 01:09:18 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, if you don't castrate them the gays multiply like rabbits.
russiangerman ยท 149 points ยท Posted at 04:03:56 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Or swans
dragon50305 ยท 166 points ยท Posted at 06:32:30 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
starts crying
KeithTheToaster ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:34:34 on December 16, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
So meta
dancytree8 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:29:35 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
That explains these boat eggs.
blamb211 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:04:52 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
That wasn't a boat, Fry.
frogpickle ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:27:53 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
๐ข๐ญ
Toast-in-the-machine ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 04:44:54 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
It's speculation that he killed himself, we don't know for sure.
padfootmeister ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:35:21 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Didn't he eat an apple dipped in cyanide?
DaedricWindrammer ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 15:19:09 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
He worked with a lot of chemicals in his room. It's probable that it was an accident.
TenthSpeedWriter ยท 174 points ยท Posted at 02:40:05 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Let's also remember that Alan Turing was one of the forefathers of modern computation and a man who understood the potential of artificial intelligence (in its real-world forms) generations before the rest of us. If science were a religion, he would be sainted.
I refuse to linger on the thought of him, because the tragedy of the magnificent brilliance we threw from this mortal coil sickens me to the very core. I can only hope and pray that his death remains an example to anyone in the academic or applied communities of mathematics and computer science what wretched evils lie in homophobia.
Bless you, Alan. You are missed, friend.
giveer ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 06:40:29 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
That's a fantastic phrase. It's nothing short of a tragedy of humanity knowing we could've had that mind with us right up until 2007 had he lived to 95. Incredible to think what 50+ more years would have brought the world.
Locke_Erasmus ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 07:30:33 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I think the scientific community should start doing this. Make up a title to give posthumously to really important and or significant contributors to science in all its forms.
TenthSpeedWriter ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 11:53:33 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
We already do it to some degree with the naming of concepts. Turing's legacy includes the ideas of the Turing Machine and the Turing Test, among others.
Historic scholars of the ages even have units in the international system named after them - Newtons (force) and Pascals (pressure) just to name a couple.
DR_JIM_RUSTLES ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 08:49:12 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Oh, did you know Alan personally? I heard he was a party animal.
Coziestpigeon2 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:05:11 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I, too, watched the Imitation Game.
TenthSpeedWriter ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:12:08 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
That doesn't ring a bell. Documentary?
Coziestpigeon2 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:20:01 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
...No. One of the most popular movies of 2015. Benidict Cumberbatch. The thing that suddenly made everyone an expert on the guy.
TenthSpeedWriter ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:40:27 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I don't believe I've ever seen it.
* Is it worth tracking down? I'm definitely a fan of Turing.
Coziestpigeon2 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:01:00 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, it was nominated for many, many awards and did very well at the box office. I am having trouble believing you are serious, because this was one of the biggest Hollywood movies of the year.
TenthSpeedWriter ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:24:52 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I'm really not a film guy. I can't recall the last thing I saw in theatres.
But hey, if calling bullshit over trivial topics is balm to your ego, I'd be happy to pretend.
Coziestpigeon2 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:34:14 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Not calling bullshit, just saying you sound sorta like you're trolling me.
The movie is on Netflix (in Canada). Here are some links about it,
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Imitation_Game
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2084970/
TenthSpeedWriter ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:35:11 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Why would I troll you over something as petty as whether or not I've seen movie?
Coziestpigeon2 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:36:17 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Because this is the internet.
But for reals, it's a very, very enjoyable movie, especially if you have background interest in Turing. I highly recommend you give it a watch.
TenthSpeedWriter ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:48:35 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Alrightey. I'll keep that one in mind; thanks!
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:08:19 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Let's also remember that Turing was one of the greatest advantages England had in the war effort.
thespy_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:27:09 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Oh, did you know him?
[deleted] ยท -23 points ยท Posted at 06:59:54 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 12:16:21 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
"I refuse to linger on the thought of him" ughhhhhhhhh
rifacct ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 07:51:11 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
He acts like Turing was his personal friend.
Also, there's little evidence that he even committed suicide. It was likely an accident.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 09:59:17 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
The apple was never tested and the signs pointed more to cyanide inhalation than ingestion. Wasn't he also using products that could give off cyanide fumes in a tiny un-ventilated room or something?
CharzarII ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 15:41:48 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
He was also known for his poor safety and cleanliness during experiments
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 07:50:55 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
You've spent nowhere near enough time on the internet, you poor naive thing. It gets worse. SO MUCH WORSE.
CuteCatGirl_ ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 09:15:13 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Get a life.
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 07:18:33 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I have heard some suggestion that it might have been an accidental poisoning rather than suicide. He was an amateur chemist and might have not washed his hands after experimenting inadvertently contaminating the apple he ate that killed him.
tomgabriele ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 02:30:55 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I had heard about Turing being "chemically castrated" but it wasn't until embarrassingly recently that I realize that didn't mean that they dipped his junk in a vat of acid to make them melt off.
kitty_twofour ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 11:41:08 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
No it's done with drugs. But forcing someone to take a drug that would inevitably make one infertile probably wouldn't have such a good effect on ones feeling of self worth/ hormones.
tomgabriele ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:55:56 on December 17, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, I realize that now
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:47:37 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
That's what I was thinking they did...... What did they actually do?
tomgabriele ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:55:37 on December 17, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Administer drugs to kill sex drive. Essentially male birth control.
antnybeard ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 23:41:26 on December 14, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
yeah. so, so sad.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 06:32:53 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
This is the man who helped save us from the Nazis, brought about the advent of modern computing, could have gone on to do so much, and they tortured him to death.
I'm sorry, but if someone has contributed to 'not letting the world become conquered by Nazis', you should be bringing them their choice of people to have sex with by the cartload forever.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:25:16 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
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MaraschinoPanda ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 07:00:59 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Chemical castration means taking drugs that remove your sex drive.
ThreeThanLess ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:17:03 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Where did you get the part about him killing himself? From research I've done his death was more an accident, caused by being careless with his experimentation while practicing/experimenting with electroplating, and died from inhalation of cyanide fumes.
PoisonousPlatypus ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:41:08 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
This doesn't even have anything to do with death. It's just "something bad happened to this guy."
[deleted] ยท -8 points ยท Posted at 23:46:29 on December 14, 2015 ยท (Permalink)*
Eh to say that he killed himself would be misleading.
He may have or may not, no one really knows. As for his depression about chemical castration I don't think he was all that messed up by it, he still published papers while taking the meds.
If you got that info from "The Imitation Game", that movie only very remotely close to Turing's life. He was actually a pretty fun guy to be around and he never made the machine, Tommy Flowers did. That movie is horribly inaccurate.
edit: from the wiki page
Philosophy professor Jack Copeland has questioned various aspects of the coroner's historical verdict, suggesting the alternative explanation of the accidental inhalation of cyanide fumes from an apparatus for gold electroplating spoons, using potassium cyanide to dissolve the gold, which Turing had set up in his tiny spare room. Copeland notes that the autopsy findings were more consistent with inhalation than with ingestion of the poison. Turing also habitually ate an apple before bed, and it was not unusual for it to be discarded half-eaten.[117] In addition, Turing had reportedly borne his legal setbacks and hormone treatment (which had been discontinued a year previously) "with good humour" and had shown no sign of despondency prior to his death, setting down, in fact, a list of tasks he intended to complete upon return to his office after the holiday weekend.[117] At the time, Turing's mother believed that the ingestion was accidental, resulting from her son's careless storage of laboratory chemicals.[118] Biographer Andrew Hodges suggests that Turing may have arranged the cyanide experiment deliberately, to give his mother some plausible deniability.[119] Andrew Hodges, and another biographer, David Leavitt, have both suggested that Turing was re-enacting a scene from the Walt Disney film Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs (1937), his favourite fairy tale, both noting that (in Leavitt's words) he took "an especially keen pleasure in the scene where the Wicked Queen immerses her apple in the poisonous brew".[120]
johnnydaggers ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 01:02:41 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
He ate an apple that he laced with cyanide, how is that not killing himself?
[deleted] ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 01:26:00 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)*
No they are not sure he did.
He died in his personal lab at home and the is reason to believe he didn't handle the cyanide properly and somehow ingested it. It might have but there is just as much evidence saying he didn't.
Edit: Check the wiki
Ooo00O ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:49:01 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I don't know why you got down voted so much. Copeland did a lot of research about Turing's death, and at the end of his biography he says:
"The exact circumstances of Turingโs death may always remain unclear. It should not be stated that he committed suicideโbecause we simply do not know."
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:52:17 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
It happens, it is what it is.
kitty_twofour ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:05:33 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
No I never saw the movie
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:22:01 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)*
Well good, it is very inaccurate
monk3ykid ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:05:31 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Was going to post this. So unbelievably heartbreaking.
Whoknew72 ยท 36 points ยท Posted at 00:16:34 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Brazen bull has to suck!
rooshbaboosh ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 06:47:24 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Probably
ClitHappens ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:36:32 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Didn't the creator get killed by his own invention? Because the emperor was a fuck
rooshbaboosh ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 07:47:57 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
According to Wikipedia, the guy who invented it was locked in it by the guy in power so that he could hear the sound of the screams coming through the horn (that converted them into a bull noise), but let him out before he died. Then, when the inventor was expecting to be rewarded from his invention, guy in power killed him by throwing him off a hill.
Guy in power sounds like he was a bit of a dick, but allegedly ended up being killed in the brazen bull himself.
BassBeerNBabes ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:24:23 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I came here to say this. People were loaded into a brass "bull" that was heated over a fire to red hot. They probably suffocated before they actually burned to death but every surface became insanely hot to the touch, leaving the victim with no surface to touch that wouldn't burn them.
fleshking ยท 28 points ยท Posted at 00:03:31 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Robert-Franรงois Damiens had it pretty bad. One by one, had each arm and leg ripped off by horses and then had his 'reportedly still-alive' torso burnt at a stake. And that was after his torture... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert-Fran%C3%A7ois_Damiens
monroestahr ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 00:53:03 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Good choice! Any chance you read Foucault's "Discipline and Punish?" The book opens up with Damiens's execution.
acm2033 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 00:18:06 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
"Drawn and quartered"
calvanus ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:20:18 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Draw and quarter like one of your french traitors x
[deleted] ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 04:27:07 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
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BobXCIV ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:45:53 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
The book didn't mention anything about dysentery, but it did say he died of starvation caused by consuming some toxic seeds.
Phil_Blunts ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:08:14 on December 16, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
28 miles from the nearest small town. A bit more than a few.
Muschido ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 13:48:29 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
The Hi-Fi murders in Ogden
Edit: Formatting
B-612 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:19:58 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
i feel dirty just knowing about this story.
Vaporhead ยท 32 points ยท Posted at 00:40:00 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
the Blood Eagle was pretty gnarly.
here
RC_COW ยท 30 points ยท Posted at 01:45:31 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
There are no actual records of it ever being successfully implemented. As in the prisoner would die before it was finished.
nickyardo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:23:28 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Well that's good I guess
Bluefoz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:16:52 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
People have been cut open alive before. The whole "cut out the heart while it's still beating"-thing is actually possible, so I wouldn't necessarily rule the blood eagle out because of that.
RC_COW ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:53:57 on December 16, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Its probably been done but it just wasnt documented. Still you have to cut through the back. break the ribs. and pull them back so they stick out and then pull out and drape the lungs over the ribs. The trick is getting them to survive through all of that. And that is what hasnt been recorded.
Mark_the_Martian ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 01:58:08 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)*
.
BloodAngel85 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:00:28 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
The saddest part is, his mother saw the entire thing.
TaylorS1986 ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 02:05:29 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
That never happened, it was a later invention of later Icelandic poets who misinterpreted archaic metaphorical language describing the death of the Anglo-Saxon king Aella at the hands of Danish invaders.
Vaporhead ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:52:10 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, I was looking more into it to see if it actually happened. They're not entirely sure. If I remember correctly, its been made "known" by the show Vikings too.
I_Are_Human7 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:42:23 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
They did something like that in the show Hannibal
Vaporhead ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:52:21 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
The show Vikings did it too I think.
Gertful ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:08:33 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I think they did that in Hannibal the TV Series.
Poo__Brain ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 08:23:06 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
and Vikings
CarpetsMatchDrapes ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 14:14:13 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Super metal
mikejudd90 ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 00:10:03 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Death by a thousand cuts was a particularly nasty way of killing someone, however, I do not think that can compare to what some victims of sadistic killers must go through for days before finally having their body give up
bleedingfingaz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:52:25 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Leng Tch'e
Conveniently also a pretty cool grindcore band!
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 09:04:34 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
i just happen to be in a grindcore mood thanks
edit: this shit is fucking brutal
chinofbigsam ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 07:58:14 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Jessica Jones spoilers abound.
NonfatCreamer ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 06:30:09 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
King Edward of Spain. He was murdered in such a way that no marks were on the body. His killers inserted a piece of pipe in his anus and then pushed in a red-hot poker repeatedly until he basically cooked from the the inside out. Supposedly, it took several hours of this before he died and his screams could be heard over a mile away.
Jewcunt ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 12:15:45 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
That would be Edward II of England. No spanish king has been called Edward.
lookieausername ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:38:39 on December 16, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Spanish Queens, however.
D0ct0rJ ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 10:11:24 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Why no visible marks? If his screams could be heard for miles, they weren't going for incognito
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 14:06:19 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Artistic effect
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:49:21 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Remember, this is for posterity: how do you feel?
suddenly_satire ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 05:06:30 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I'm surprised no one has mentioned David Allen Kirwan, who accidentally parboiled himself.
Jrebeclee ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:57:08 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Wow. I understand the impulse to save your dog, but that was incredibly stupid.
[deleted] ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 09:34:28 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
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redditnpopcorn ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 10:38:42 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
That is really awful, the pressure cooker reached 270 degrees... can you imagine what that guy went thru before passing?? That is really a serious tragedy. And the three year (possible sentencing) is just mind bogglingly inept.
After reading that and Bubble Bee tunas' response, I will no longer eat it .
Bumble Bee, which has appealed the penalties, said the company improved its safety program after the tragedy. โWe disagree with and are disappointed by the charges filed by the Los Angeles district attorneyโs office.โ
elcapitandelespacio ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:28:03 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
It seems like really poor taste for them to have a punny headline about a man being horribly killed.
JournalofFailure ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 23:41:37 on December 14, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I'll see your American space disasters and raise you Soyuz 1.
Doctor_Murderstein ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 02:45:26 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I kill a lot of kerbals this way.
kerbalweirdo123 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 07:09:02 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I see your Soyuz 1 and raise you Soyuz 11. They died from an accidental decompression of the hatch just before reentering the atmosphere. When they landed, one of the cosmonauts bodies was found against the wall, as if he were trying to block the hole with his body. They were also the farthest a human has ever died from earth.
JournalofFailure ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:19:29 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)*
I had heard the Soyuz 11 cosmonauts died instantaneously, still strapped in their seats. If they knew what was happening, that is truly horrendous.
Still, at least their corpses were intact. By contrast, there was nothing left of Komorov after Soyuz 1 fell to earth.
PenguinPerson ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 05:34:32 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)*
Nothing will ever beat the man that literally melted alive from radiation poisoning and his death prolonged by doctors so they could study the effects. Imagine your body disintegrating around you as you lay immobile and (though nor always concious) aware for 3 months
TheMexicanPenguinII ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:01:20 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Finally, a person i like.
Edit: about the username, not the radiated guy
natureculls ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 08:01:08 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Ouchi.
sSquared19 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 02:00:43 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Anyone who died in the brazen bull, pulled apart by horses, or any other medieval torture killing.
metaguide101 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 02:13:35 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Bastinado, Foot Paddling, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foot_whipping. I read in ancient turkey or Persia they would repeatedly beat the pads of your feet so hard, that you died from septic shock eventually. Considering your feet have a lot of nerves, it seems an especially painful way to go. I think about it whenever i bruise the sole of my foot.
Dougdahead ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 06:05:51 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
People that were put inside the bronze bull as a fire was lit under it. They slow roasted inside there with no escape. I don't remember exactly any names but there were a lot of people in the days of ancient Greece that were tortured in them.
Hikikomori523 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 07:06:16 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
side note
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 07:06:50 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
The girl who was drunk at a party in the catacombs who got lost.
She couldn't see anything. She was drunk. In the catacombs.
John_Paul_Jones_III ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:43:49 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Ah, Odesa
John_Paul_Jones_III ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:43:50 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Ah, Odesa
craigpierre ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 01:13:13 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Perillos He invented the Brazen Bull. An ancient torture device made of metal, shaped like a bull, and had a fire lite under it. You'd put someone inside the bull, and they'd be cooked alive inside. Well after he invented it, he was the first person for it to be tested on. Oh, and it was designed for the screams on the person inside, to come out of the front of the bull, and make a life like bull sound.
[deleted] ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 02:48:01 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
He was taken out before he could die, and thrown from a hill where he died. The pharoah that put Perillos in the bull was believed to be killed via the bull when he was overthrown.
craigpierre ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:47:03 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Shit. Good to know. Thanks
the2belo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:00:30 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Gets kind of hot in these rhinos.
LenTsikka ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:55:24 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
must...have...AIR...
TenthSpeedWriter ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 02:24:38 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Dengue fever. The mortality rate is rather low (around 20% for severe cases based on WHO resources), but I'm told even surviving it will make you wish for death.
It lasts for several days and causes pain that can only be compared to the shattering of bone. (Hence, bone-break fever.)
Lucas46 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 09:13:52 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Really? I've had dengue before, and it didn't feel like what you described it at all. Do you have some source on that second part?
TenthSpeedWriter ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 11:48:01 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
From a medical anthropologist I know, although I suppose even from a professional that's an anecdotal description.
atw527 ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 04:39:11 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Nuclear Reactor accident in Idaho; reactor went prompt critical.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SL-1
eradimus ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 06:23:44 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Vigo the Carpathian. Born 1505, died 1610. He didn't die of old age, either. He was poisoned, stabbed, shot, hung, stretched, disembowled, drawn and quartered. Not exactly a man of the people. Also known as Vigo the Cruel, Vigo the Torturer, Vigo the Despised, and Vigo the Unholy. And dig this, there was a prophecy. Just before his head died, his last words were "Death is but a door. Time is but a window. I'll be back."
Jack_Burton_Express ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 07:16:29 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
On a mountain of skulls, in a castle of pain, I sat on a throne of blood. What was, will be. What is, will be no more. Now is the season of evil!
the2belo ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 09:04:13 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
guitar solo
The_YoungWolf ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 02:19:48 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Marcus Licinius Crassus was allegedly executed by being fed molten gold, an ironic joke on him being the richest man in the Roman Republic.
However, this is not a verified fact and could just be an urban legend.
dirtshow ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 07:12:30 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
From NYPost (sorry) 2014.
"Around Christmas 2002, bartender Doyle went out drinking with pal Michael Wright and Wrightโs girlfriend. As they all walked home, Wright thought Doyle was hitting on his girlfriend, and witnesses later told cops they saw a man getting โthe sโt beat out of him.โ He was heard screaming, โNo, donโt break my legs!โ and another witness said he saw someone throw Doyle down an open manhole.
The drop was 18 feet. At the bottom was a pool of boiling ยญwater, from a broken main. Doyle didnโt die instantly โ in fact, as first responders arrived, he was standing below, reaching up and screaming for help. No paramedic or firefighter could climb down to help โ it was, a Con Ed supervisor said, 300 degrees in the steam tunnel.
Four hours later, Sean Doyleโs body was finally recovered. Its temperature was 125 degrees โ the medical examiners thought it was likely way higher, but thermometers donโt read any higher than that.
When Melinek saw the body on her autopsy table, she writes, she thought heโd โbeen steamed like a lobster.โ His entire outer layer of skin had peeled off, and his internal organs were literally cooked.
He otherwise had no broken bones and no head trauma, which meant he was fully conscious as he boiled to death."
ASAPelite ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 14:14:49 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Going to get buried but just the other day a 17 year old was working his first day on the job at a wood chipping company.
A limb got stuck in the wood chipper so he tried to kick the limb in while he left the machine on...
He got sucked in feet first and died. That's extremely horrific and I can't even imagine. His boss also had a hear attack on the scene and his co-workers were running around like maniacs not knowing what to do just screaming.
That's terrifying.
carolinemathildes ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 17:18:58 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Gyรถrgy Dรณzsa led a peasants revolt in 16th century Hungary. After being captured, he was forced to sit on a heated iron throne while wearing a heated iron crown and holding a heated sceptre - all of which was done to mock his ambitions at being king. While that was going on, starving rebels were led to the throne. The executioners used fire-hot pliers to tear flesh from Dรณzsa's body. Next, executioners removed hot pliers from fire and forced them into Dรณzsa's skin. The rebels were then forced to eat the flesh.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:57:26 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
FUCKING BRUTAL
mangolegs ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 01:40:56 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Egyptian used to use honey in their death ritual. The volunteers usually stop eating anything else but honey until they poo and pee out honey. Once they get to that stage their body is preserve in honey until eaten.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mellified_man
[deleted] ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 04:11:12 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
And oldie but a goodie:
โโZonaras, Annals
MrCuriousCat ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 04:03:13 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
There was this one torture method where a person was strapped down naked and a metal box that contained a rat was put over their belly. The box then was heated, which makes the rat panic. Desperate for a way out, the rat gnaws and scratches its way through the person's flesh until it freed itself. But the fucked up part is that majority of the victims lived and died from infection a few days later.
PM_ME_UR_PISSFLAPS ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 04:29:51 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
My cousin got stuck head first down a half full storm drain whilst drunk . trying to retrieve his phone
busuku ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 06:37:43 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
possibly relevant list of unusual deaths
redditnpopcorn ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 12:25:01 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Definitely relevant. (had most of what I read here and thn some)
nimbusdimbus ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 06:40:33 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)*
By means of impalement; through the anus and slowly lowered onto the spike so as to limit any damage to the internal organs, and then out through the neck or back of the neck. And there you would sit for days until you died.
http://self.gutenberg.org/articles/impalement
redditnpopcorn ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 12:00:06 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Just omg's!! (reading that) All of it, but this caught my eye:
("some even retained their humour")
For example in 1714 in the Cape Colony under the Dutch, the black slave Titus, who had been the lover of his master's wife and conspired to murder her husband, was sentenced to be impaled. Four hours after being impaled, he was given some arrack to drink, but advised not to drink too much, lest he become drunk. Titus retorted that it hardly would matter, since he sat fast enough, and was in no danger of falling down.[84]
timidforrestcreature ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:01:37 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I bet that was a fair trial...
th3giant ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 07:00:04 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
There was a russian atomic.submarine, which was thought to be lost. When i was brought back to russia they found goodbye letters from the crew. Turns out they were alive much longer than expected.
freedom1776usa ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 07:01:37 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
ah yes, that would be the Kursk
th3giant ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:13:00 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Thanks :)
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:10:11 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
you are a submarine?
MachTwang ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 07:03:58 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Rasputin had his ass handed to him pretty well....
mrworker ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 03:52:16 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Salem Witch Trials, guy was accused of witchcraft. They kept putting boulders on his body until he admitted to being a witch or he died. No way to prove his innocence, and he didn't want to falsely claim himself of being a witch, so he died.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giles_Corey_%28Salem_witch_trials%29
MR1120 ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 06:20:38 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Also one of the most badass deaths of all time. Every time they'd ask him to confess, he'd just yell "MORE WEIGHT!!!"
timidforrestcreature ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:55:44 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I always interpreted that as, "KILL ME FASTER", not " fuck the system".
toml3030 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 22:56:15 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
it was because if he confessed, all his assets would be confiscated. If he died before he confessed or was found guilty, his heirs could inherit.
invisiblephrend ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 07:27:12 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
what's sad is that the trials were a byproduct of medical ignorance at the time. the panic and hysteria began after a young girl became "possessed" in what many historians believe were the symptoms of an epileptic seizure.
BloodAngel85 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:09:28 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Was it epilepsy? I thought it was a form of food poisoning due to a type of mold on grain
DonGateley ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 07:08:23 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I doubt that records of it were kept. What humans are capable of doing to humans has no lower bound.
JadesterZ ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 13:28:00 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Why has no one mentioned the death of Jesus? The most brutal beating imaginable followed by suffocation on a roman cross - one of the most horrible ways to die in all of history.
Sonendo ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:29:03 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Probably due to how common it was, but still a bad way to die.
JadesterZ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:33:27 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Prisoner didn't usually get beat that badly before crucifixion though.
trapinchfissure ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:28:33 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Henrietta Lacks Imagine having a tumor but but instead of one there where several throughout her body and she died after days of so much pain they just gave her morphine and stopped all other medication.
greffedufois ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:25:39 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
That's what hospice care is. They stop fluids and other life sustaining medications and measures and just give the patient medication to ease their pain. They're often unconscious by the end anyways.
HeroCC ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:52:46 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
The Judas Cradle was a nasty way to die
Apkoha ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 07:03:05 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Franz Reichelt, dude was trying to build a parachute tested it by jumping off the Eiffel Tower. There's old video of it, and you can see his apprehension but he does it anyway.. and you can just watch him drop like a stone to the icy ground below.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 10:12:07 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
if he had jumped from a greater height apparently it would have worked
dogeatgod888 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 07:03:57 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
The Darwin Awards
redditnpopcorn ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 11:25:13 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Saved to read later, lolol, just a glance was no way!!!!! (anyone do that) so upvote for you : )
boobookittyfuck369 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 07:09:24 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I learned this in my last semester of ancient history: Ancient Persian torture method known as
mostdeadlygeist ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 07:37:30 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Ralph Ignatowski. US soldier who died at Iwo Jima.
"Other eyewitness reports further indicated that Ignatowski had been tortured in the cave by the Japanese for three days, during which time they also cut out his eyes, cut off his ears, smashed in his teeth, and cut off his genitalia"
champanedout ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 08:17:11 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
https://ripeace.wordpress.com/2012/09/14/the-murder-of-junko-furuta-44-days-of-hell/
DAY 1: November 22, 1988: Kidnapped Kept captive in house, and posed as one of boyโs girlfriend Raped (over 400 times in total) Forced to call her parents and tell them she had run away Starved and malnutrition Fed cockroaches to eat and urine to drink Forced to masturbate Forced to strip in front of others Burned with cigarette lighters and set off fireworks in her ears, mouth, vagina Foreign objects inserted into her vagina/anus including a still lit light-bulb DAY 11: December 1, 1988: Severely beat up countless times Face held against concrete ground and jumped on Hands tied to ceiling and body used as a punching bag until her damaged internal organs made blood run from her mouth Nose filled with so much blood that she can only breath through her mouth Dumbbells dropped onto her stomach Vomited when tried to drink water (her stomach couldnโt accept it) Tried to escape and punished by cigarette burning on arms Flammable liquid poured on her feet and legs, then lit on fire Bottle inserted into her anus, causing injury DAY 20: December10, 1988: Unable to walk properly due to severe leg burns Beat with bamboo sticks Fireworks inserted into anus and lit Hands smashed by weights and fingernails kracked Beaten with golf club Cigarettes inserted into vagina and forced to drink her own urine as they laughed Beaten with iron rods repeatedly Winter; forced outside to sleep in balcony Skewers of grilled chicken inserted into her vagina and anus, causing bleeding. And yet sheโd almost escaped. One time she reached the telephoneโbut one of the boys caught her just in time and ended the call for help. They punished her by taunting her with a candle flame and finally dousing her legs in lighter fluid and set her on fire, as punishment for trying to run away. She went into convulsions; the boys would later say that they thought she was faking the seizure. They set her on fire again, then put it out. She survived this round.
the list goes on... article also shows a picture of the girl... always felt like shit after reading this
my-December-throwawa ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:06:21 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Who was that cosmonaut whose capsule's parachute didn't open? That would have to be a shit way to go.
Crocuta_crocuta ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:26:17 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)*
Supposedly at one point an army (Hannibals IIRC) had a Roman army surrounded and started circling and killing them. Took most of the day and as they got toward the center they found Roman soldiers who had straight up buried their own heads to commit suicide.
The agony of waiting 4+ hours to die in a frantic crowd while hearing all your comrades dieing all around you sounds pretty damn awful.
That and the irradiated Japanese guy who was kept alive for days, begging to die while his skin basically melted off.
Ambushh ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:32:44 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Little late to the party but I recall some guy survived either the Hiroshima or Nagasaki explosions and was severely radioactively burned all over his body. But they kept him alive and awake for days with no sedatives or pain meds so they could study the effects of radiation on the body.
TheAngryFatMan ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:43:43 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I think you were thinking of Hiroshi Ouchi. He was kept alive for 83 days after a criticality accident at Tokaimura in 1999.
Ambushh ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:18:02 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I think you are absolutely correct.
CodyLikesPie ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:06:34 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I don't remember the name, but a man who survived a severe nuclear accident in Japan was kept alive for 83 days, begging for death constantly until he eventually lost consciousness and died. His DNA was virtually destroyed upon the incident happening, and there is an image of his condition.
https://i.imgur.com/aZMY0eE.jpg
It's kind of unsettling so click at your own risk.
radiumcandy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:52:27 on December 16, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Some side information for anyone who's curious about the technical details: the nuclear accident was a two-excursion criticality accident caused by processing uranyl nitrate solution with an unauthorized, jury-rigged system using a vessel of unfavorable geometry. This guy was holding the funnel the solution was being poured through, and received a 16-20 Gy (1600-2000 rad) dose.
SourCreamWater ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:43:03 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Ling Chi, death by 1000 cuts, or Slow Slicing. Whatever you want to call it.
You can google it if you want. Very gnarly. Basically they cut off slabs of muscle, then your limbs, breasts...etc.
Vojta7 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:15:41 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Oh fuck....
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:16:13 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Head ripping machine. They're replacing the lethal injection with it.
BigOldCar ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:05:33 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Nah, Snopes said this rumor originated with an article on satire website The Onion.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:45:02 on December 16, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
lolol. Yes. A hilarious rumor. Have you not seen the video? It's really obvious.
BigOldCar ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:43:58 on December 16, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Nope, only seen people referring to it.
tofo90 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:32:17 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
http://fox8.com/2014/06/08/2-die-3-injured-after-woman-drops-cell-phone-into-toilet/
I didn't see anyone put this one up yet. A girl dropped her cell phone in an open pit toilet, went in to get it, and passed out from the fumes. Someone went in after her, he passed out. More went in, but they had to stop because they were getting knocked out and drowning in a pool of shit and piss.
BigOldCar ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:54:20 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Wow, fuck that. I love my phone, but if it falls in a septic tank, see ya later.
sschering ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:44:33 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
downvotesfordinner ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 23:16:49 on December 14, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
These poor saps :(
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apollo_1#Accident
Stanislav1 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:55:51 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
This thread had some rich answers about 7 months ago
My personal favorite from that thread: Balthasar Gerard
Dougdahead ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 06:17:58 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
The "Blood Eagle" used by the Vikings was pretty messed up. If I remember right, the victim would have his ribs sawed or broken along his spine and have his lungs pulled out through his back and set up on his shoulders son they resembled eagles wings. The victim either died from suffocation or blood loss. Neither of which happened quick enough
mrhotpotato ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:16:50 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Just a legend the prisonner would die long before
sqraaa ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 23:07:04 on December 14, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Scaphism.
Metal_Badger ยท 39 points ยท Posted at 02:17:13 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Cool, I'll just google it then. Thanks guys.
antnybeard ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 23:40:27 on December 14, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Yup, this. The fact that someone actually thought this up is beyond insane.
CLGbyBirth ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 00:43:20 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I wonder how the idea came to that man?
Michael_Goodwin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:46:40 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I'm fairly sure that torturers are not actually human. No effing way.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 06:46:21 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Chances are it never actually happened to anyone.
EvilTOJ ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 00:44:53 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Thats the one with the boats and the swamps, right?
sqraaa ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 00:45:45 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
aye.
PM_ME_CHUBBY_CHICKS ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 01:39:40 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
So, the only record we have of this "Scaphism" is 3rd party accounts who also just happened to be enemies of Persia. With no physical evidence, or even anyone proclaiming that they actually carried out the sentence, it's much more likely it was anti-Persian propaganda.
Bazti ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 02:05:29 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
True, but someone thought it up. Which makes it possible that someone else actually did it. It's not like humans do all kinds of weird stuff.
sqraaa ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:15:57 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
But why wouldn't someone do it? The idea's been around at least since the Persian empire. You don't think medieval torturers got bored?
the_nidificator ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:53:57 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
What's Scaphism?
sqraaa ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 06:09:39 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
idk
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:32:15 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
The Entirety of the Mass Killings during the Rape of Nanking. The japanese were so horrific two officers ran a bet on who could kill the most people with a samurai sword.
AnOldHermit ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:14:29 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Fyodor Dostoevsky's father. He was a landowner in 19th century Russia. He treated his serfs so poorly that they revolted, eventually killing him by holding him down and pouring vodka down his throat till he drowned. Russians have always been crazy.
snufalufalgus ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:20:07 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Not any one particular person. But execution by Scaphism has got to be one of the most fucked up things humanity has ever dreamed up.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scaphism
Wild_Hunt ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:52:44 on December 16, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
The human mind is the closest thing to a literal hell, infact it's probably worse. For all the creativity and kindness we create we're capable of the worst things imaginable.
Andhisnameisjohnc ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:43:56 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Not very well educated about this but iirc there's a form of torture where you're strapped to the ground and bamboo is planted underneath you or something and it slowly grows and basically penetrates your back.
crop028 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 08:20:37 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Not as slowly as you would expect though, bamboo can grow up to a foot in a day.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 10:06:16 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
alot slower than being stabbed though, i'm surprised this works though given the body would deny the bamboo light, if you were bound to a rack a few feet above the ground i can see it working
SorrySeptember ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:26:41 on December 19, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Mythbusters have an episode testing that exact thing and it's really interesting, you should check it out!
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:48:41 on December 19, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I don't have a lot of faith in mythbusters after watching one episode.
nimbusdimbus ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:56:12 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Being burnt to death in a fire that Was so hot, they spontaneously combusted. In other words, The Great Peshtigo Fire.
http://www.exploringoffthebeatenpath.com/Parks/PeshtigoFire/index.html
RoyalPreciousPeach ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:56:36 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Mary Turner had a pretty horrible death. A mob hung her upside down from a tree and set her on fire after dousing her with gas. They then cut her abdomen open while she was still alive. Her unborn baby fell out and the mob stopped it to death while she watched burning. It all finally ended when they showered her with bullets as she burned in the tree.
redditnpopcorn ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:29:27 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Who was Mary Turner?
RoyalPreciousPeach ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:32:24 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
She's a 19 year old black woman who died in 1918.
Source
redditnpopcorn ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:26:35 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Thank you : )
XlapSlayer ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:04:35 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Ottomans being impaled from their anuses through their body and out if their mouth by Vlad the Impaler (Prince of Wallachia). Some of them would not die directly, sometimes it took as long as 3 days for them to pass away.
jesuisunnomade ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:05:19 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
This thread is depressing. I'm getting out NOW.
TheMexicanPenguinII ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:17:35 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Said no redditor ever xxx
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:13:31 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:51:55 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
While it's not history, it's a medical condition.
Taman_Should ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 08:13:06 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Tomorrow on /r/todayilearned
BreeadHead ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 09:30:35 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
My biggest fear is to die like any of the people listed in this post.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 09:44:34 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
the station nightclub fire.
Hitmaniac_FTW ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 10:23:04 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Oh my god why did read this fucking thread.
Slarotimov ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 10:59:39 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
A British tribal leader lured another tribal leader into a fight. He said they would fight with equal numbers to settle for once and all their rivalry. However, the first leader showed up with twice as many men. After winning the fight and killing almost everyone, he decapitated his rival to bring his head back as a trophy. He tied the head to the saddle of his Horse but during the ride back all went wrong. The dirty teeth of the head scratched into the leg of the tribal leader and the wound got infected. He died a few days later.
skinny_reminder ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 11:51:28 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
The death that comes to mind is that girl that got lost in that underground tunnel maze. Where it's pitch black and hundreds of miles of maze. Can't recall that the name but I'm sure it's on the tip of red it's tongue.
infernal_llamas ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 12:36:00 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I was going to say blood eagle, but the others here are so much worse, at least that didn't last a very long time.
B-612 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:43:31 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
weren't they also pretty fond of opening the thorax, grabbing the lungs out but still attached and functioning?
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 12:41:02 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
One of the officers during my first training cruise had worked on an LNG carrier. Now, like all tanker ships, LNG carriers have large walk-in tanks. Every so often these tanks need to be inspected. So how do they do it? A team are sent in to perform routine checks and maintenance
Now, the main concern is finding yourself in a potential pocket of fumes or lack of oxygen and passing out and/or dying of hypoxia. The truth is, if you're going to die on a tanker ship, you had better hope it'd be like that, instead of what happened to the officer.
You see, the real fear of anyone working in a floodable space like, say, a tank is not death by hypoxia, but being shut in. Maybe you're in there by yourself and someone just thinks that no. 2 tank was left open. Hatch shuts, is sealed, and you're trapped in there. No one can hear you, and really, there's no way to call for help. So whst do you do?
You wait. That's all you can do. Wait for something, anything to happen. You pray to whatever gods, demons, aedra/daedra you know of that you'll be rescued, but really, you don't know what's going to happen - what's worse, when it's going to happen. The tank could be flooded any second...or it might be a day from now. You might starve to death before that happens. Or maybe, if the planets are aligned just right, you'll be rescued real soon.
I don't know what exactly happened with the officer during my cruise ; whether or not she also suffered some damage from fumes or hypoxia, but what we did know was that she was down there for a long time. She was apparently a lot fitter before the incident, and there was just something...off about her mannerisms (a friend jokingly compared her to Aunt Gayle from Bob's Burgers). The point is: it's not so much how you die in a tank, but the wait itself.
TL;DR: being trapped in a ship's cargo tank. No way to know if you're going to be rescued or if you'll suffocate or starve to death. No way of getting help, and no way of knowing when your ordeal will conclude, be it through rescue, starvation, suffocation, or drowning.
orwhaleca ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:47:03 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Do they not use a lock out/tag out when going into the tanks? How is something like this even possible?
skrybll ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:20:20 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Well I have read and watched everything here. Time to sleep. Maybe.
m3sarcher ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:40:27 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Rolled between the train and the platform
Knowing you will die as soon as they remove you...
aviary83 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:51:04 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I read somewhere once that there were tribes in Africa (? my memory is fuzzy on this, it was a long time ago) who would execute people by pounding three long wooden stakes up their ass and then hanging them from a tree (not by the neck) to die slowly. It could take days. Sounds like an excruciating fucking death.
I want to find a source for you guys, but I really don't want to Google "death by stake up the ass."
Jemais ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:53:12 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Not one person but a lot of Christians (and others) who were killed by the Roman emperor Caligula. They were hung upside down in public and sawed from the crotch down, which basically filleted their spine. He also liked to bite off their testicules and eat them in front of them. You might think that they would die pretty quickly but because they were upside down, all the blood went to their head which stopped them from fainting and meant they wouldn't die of blood loss, so it took them ages to die and they felt everything. If this hasn't grossed you out look up Caligula he really wasn't a nice man
newnrthnhorizon ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:54:56 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
The murders of Channon Christian and Christopher Newson
I don't remember how I found out about this, but it happened back in 2007. The couple was kidnapped, tortured, raped, then murdered. It's one of the most brutal crimes I've ever read about.
vatezvara ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:11:20 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Byford dolphin accident 1983. Death by explosive decompression.
psychotwilight ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:11:35 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Rasputin. Poor bastard deserved assassination , but no one should have assassinations botched against them three times in a row.
apennyfornonsense ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:42:42 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
The people in this episode of This American Life:
http://www.thisamericanlife.org/radio-archives/episode/502/this-call-may-be-recorded-to-save-your-life
Regarding Eritrean hostages in Sinai.
HEpennypackerNH ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:05:53 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I story from 1779 about a little town in upstate NY tells of a group of Indians opening the bellies of General Sullivan's army, and tying them to a tree by their intestines, then torturing them, and finally scalping and beheading them.
http://exploringupstate.com/torture-tree-cuylerville-ny/
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:06:37 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Read this recently - found the article again..
Grigori Rasputin - He was poisoned, but he didnโt die. So he went after the guys who poisoned him, and they stabbed him. He still didnโt die and kept going after the assassins, so they shot him and thought they had finished him. His eyes opened and he lunged for one of the assassins to strangle him, so they shot him some more, this time he started to crawl away. They then thrashed him, tied him up, threw him in a sack, and threw the sack into the river. Two days later the sack was recovered, and it looked like Rasputin almost escaped his bindings and clawed out of the bag. To top it all, while his body was being burned, the tendons shrunk and he sat up in the fire.
PeanutButter707 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:02:14 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
The man who invented the "brazen bull" was executed using it
redbank9 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:25:26 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Don't know where or when but people were strapped down on bamboo shoots and the bamboo would grow through them in a matter of days.. Pretty gruesome
COUGARCHAS3R ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:18:26 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Late to the party, but the 44 Days in Hell story is pretty brutal. So awful.
tpots38 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:39:57 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
There was a video posted to "Watch People Die" a short while ago... It was a lady and her son riding an escalator in China. Once they reached the top of the escalator the platform gave way and her legs were grabbed by the sharp escalator stairs. A witness grabbed her little boy and pulled him to safety. He turned to watch his mom slowly be consumed by the electric escalator.
After watching this video I've yet to remove this image from my brain....Forever scared.
Spaceman4u ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:40:46 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
A Teenager on his first day of work, got caught and pulled into a wood chipper. It happened just last month, (Nov. 2015)
One of those monks that lit themselves on fire to protest the Vietnam war. That would be a terrible way to die.
AXandr ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:57:08 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
A while ago I read about some guy was looking up at a burning lighthouse and had molten lead drip down his throat, he died. Sorry about the lack of information
Three_of_Swords ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:07:09 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Cato the Younger. After Cesar's victory at Pharsalus he botched a suicide attempt. His shrieks drew his servants who brought in a doctor who was moving to put his guts back in -- he tore them out with his own hands and quickly died.
ferguson_cop ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:35:30 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Source
I read this not too long ago and it seems like a pretty painful way to go:
20 July 1981, 24-year-old David Allen Kirwan from La Canada, California, was driving through Yellowstoneโs Fountain Paint Pot thermal area with his friend Ronald Ratliff and Ratliffโs dog Moosie. At about 1:00 P.M. they parked their truck to get out and take a closer look at the hot springs; Moosie escaped from the truck, ran towards nearby Celestine Pool (a thermal spring whose water temperature has been measured at over 200ยฐ), jumped in, and began yelping.
Kirwan and Ratliff rushed over to the pool to aid the terrified dog, and Kirwanโs attitude indicated he was about to go into the spring after it. According to bystanders, several people tried to warn Kirwan off by yelling at him not to jump in, but he shouted โLike hell I wonโt!โ back at them, took two steps into the pool, and then dove head-first into the boiling spring.
Kirwan swam out to the dog and attempted to take it to shore; he then disappeared underwater, let go of the dog, and tried to climb out of the pool. Ratliff helped pull Kirwan out of the hot spring (resulting in second-degree burns to his own feet), and another visitor led Kirwan to the sidewalk as he reportedly muttered, โThat was stupid. How bad am I? That was a stupid thing I did.โ
Kirwan was indeed in very bad shape. He was blind, and when another park visitor tried to remove one of his shoes, his skin (which was already peeling everywhere) came off with it. He sustained third-degree burns to 100% of his body, including his head, and died the following morning at a Salt Lake City hospital.
sschering ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:51:43 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Hiroshi Ouchi took 83 days to die after exposure to a lethal dose of radiation. All his skin fell off and he begged the doctors to kill him.
OhBatman ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:58:22 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
He died of an ouchi
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:24:27 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)*
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RC_COW ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 01:47:53 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
You mean stuffed into wet leather bags then were set out to dry? Leather shrinks when its dry not wet lol
nancyaw ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:44:53 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Just ask OJ.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:49:56 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
A lot of this was most likely anti-Nero propaganda , I have no doubt he had Christians killed in pretty gruesome ways , but stuff like using them for torches is just silly
jimbo_slice3 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 02:20:15 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Many years ago a farmer, two of his sons, and one of his workers died in a manure pit. The story was that one of them fell in, and the rest instictevly jumped in one by one trying to save each other. That sounded like a pretty shitty way to die..
UncleSquamous ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:02:19 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Pig lagoons. Not cool. About as impossible to save someone from as a mud hole - you see someone go in, and if you try to save them, you're going in, too.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:23:24 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)*
Unit 731.
Edit: a number
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:59:56 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
googled it all i got were real estate listings care to elaborate?
levithanius ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 12:19:00 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I think he meant Unit 731.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:19:10 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I did
Bismarcus ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:11:49 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
A bad mortgage is the slowest death.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:19:33 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
731, sorry.
drecio ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:36:25 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Falling feet first into a wood chipper. Yeah, it happened. http://abc13.com/news/19-year-old-man-killed-after-falling-into-a-wood-chipper/1115533/
redditnpopcorn ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:41:52 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Thank you for posting. (yes it's gruesome people, but obviously you already read about it, I hadn't seen it and I was left sitting here with wtf expression, every time someone referenced it.) upvote for information
prodromic ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 07:26:29 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
That kid feet first in the wood chipper a few days ago was pretty brutal
meiyoumayo ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 10:03:42 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
It wasn't particularly gory, but the death of Tanya Savicheva was crushingly sad. TLDR: Little girl lives in Leningrad. Siege starts. Is given small notebook to use as diary (old diary had to be burned when they ran out of firewood). Diary entries are mostly noting when members of her family died of overwork, sickness, or starvation. Her last entry read: "Only Tanya is left."
She was rescued and evacuated with a larger group of children, but by that point, she had contracted tuberculosis. She died in an orphanage, but at least before she died, she got to see her brother who escaped before the siege got really bad. He was the last living family member she had.
LMD96 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:33:25 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Abraham Lincoln Being hammered in the butt
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:10:11 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Supposedly, Viking King Harold II died in the Battle of Hastings after taking an arrow in the eye. Ow.
[deleted] ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 06:56:37 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)*
1: Harold Godwinson wasn't a viking, he was the Anglo-Saxon king of England. Harold Hardrada on the other hand was the king of Norway and probably qualified as a 'viking' (even though he wasn't pagan) he also tried to claim the throne of England but was defeated and killed at the battle of Stamford Bridge by Harold Godwinson. After that victory the still living Harold rushed his forces south to meet William the Conquerer , where he did get shot in the eye with an arrow.
2: getting shot in the eye is actually a pretty quick and painless way to die as the arrow would have probably gone into his brain, also it would be waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay quicker and less painful then taking one to the stomach.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 08:51:06 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
agreed, death by arrow in the eye, preferable to stomach,
Runcibubble ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:15:34 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I heard he survived the arrow and pulled it out of his eye. There's also evidence a Norman Knight cut him down in the final attack. Fun fact: A Norman knight cut a leg off Harold's corpse and William was so pissed he sent the knight back to Normandy in disgrace.
Sibraxlis ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:25:32 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Rssputin had a shitty ending.
ClitHappens ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:16:54 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Theirs a story out there that has a recording in YouTube somewhere.
These brothers in Italy, back during the space race times picked up a transmission of a Soviet woman cosmonaut saying "things were wrong and that she needed help". They didn't pick up a response to her calls.
It's well known that the Soviets did not let the public know of most their failed missions to space. Where as the USA has news coverage of every event. Scary to think she was just left up there in space.
BloodAngel85 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 10:06:38 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I think that was proven to be fake, there's a video of it on youtube subtitled and IIRC most of the comments say the person speaks Russian like a person who speaks English.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:29:39 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Nobody expects the spanish inquisition...
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:19:49 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I'm gonna go with brazen bull
Big brass bull from ancient greek times. They stuff you inside, and build a fire beneath it. You slowly roast to death and your screams echo out of the bulls mouth.
Napalm also muy bad.
Drawn hanged and quarter was also awful.
Humans are cancer.
pro-life-dicks ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:22:05 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
The guy who invented the Brazen Bowl was then executed in his own invention. Basically it was a hollow bull made of bronze that had a complex system of tubes in the head designed to make the screams of the victim sound like a bull. A fire was lit under it, and it is said that the bones of the victim shown like jewels and were then made into bracelets. How they bent a bone into a bracelet, don't ask me.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brazen_bull
whatisthisidontevenf ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 02:04:11 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I know of a man who had the chance to seize the throne for himself.
Instead, he chose the higher path and passed it on to the "rightful king". The king, being an unconscionable asshole, falsely accused him of launching a coup, took his daughter as his fiance vowed to murder the rest of his family. The worst part, the absolute WORST part of it all, was that he was forced to confess to his "crime" in public to be spared the sword. He confessed, the king went back on his word and proceeded to chop of his head in front of his daughters.
RIP Ned Stark.
Evilpuppydog ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 05:26:04 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Spoilers man, come on
mousylion ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 04:49:29 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Spoiler tag that shit.
trickshot60 ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 06:54:51 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
do you really need to spoiler tag a 20 year old book? Might as well spoiler tag LotR too
CeruleanTresses ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 09:17:05 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
The show isn't 20 years old. The idea is to avoid spoiling the show for people who haven't read the books.
fdsmflife ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:25:49 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
The North remembers.
uhufreak ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:02:23 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
!!!SPOILER!!! for Game of Thrones!
PropagationNation ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:49:28 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Spoiler Alert everyone younlove dies including dire wolves.
adonis98 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:17:55 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Even though it was self-inflicted, I'd say Janis Joplin had a pretty rough ending. She was terrified of being alone, and she overdosed alone in a room, wedged in the corner...
SMORKIN_LABBIT ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:54:24 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
It's Scaphism hands down no question no debt.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:46:55 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
There is no evidence this was actually done.
appajack29 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:28:42 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Ctrl-F: "Oberyn Martell"
0 results. Disappointing.
PerplexedGamer ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:29:44 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
That's really not the worst one. Vargo Hoat and Falyse Stokeworth spring to mind.
n0ahbody ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:45:36 on December 14, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
The sack of Constantinople was by all accounts particularly horrible and gruesome. The description is so horrible I don't even want to post it here. Especially the part about what Mehemet II did to the son of the Greek Grand Duke. Look it up.
antnybeard ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 23:39:17 on December 14, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Mehmet wanted to fuck him, his Dad said no, so Mehmet had them all decapitated according to wikipedia...so I mean, that's bad and everything, but it could have been worse...
Whoknew72 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:11:17 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
All I found on wikipedia is that the kids was killed in front of the duke then the duke was killed. Do tell the juicer story.
n0ahbody ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 00:17:01 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
It's too horrible. I'm not just talking about the main event with the boy, I'm talking about the horror being felt by all the other people in the room.
Here's a link, read it yourself
Oriana Fallaci, in The Force of Reason, has another more detailed version of Constantinopleโs conversion into Istanbul. It is written in her inimitable style, which deserves not to be paraphrased, but quoted in full (pp 42-44):
Triquetra4715 ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 01:18:27 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
That article has a very weird agenda.
A_Dull_Itch ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 04:35:26 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Haha that is one of the worst articles I have read. I even made the mistake of reading the comments which was painful
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 06:43:24 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)*
Its from an anti-Muslim hatesite
n0ahbody ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 06:12:02 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I couldn't find just the text from the book online. That site isn't as bad as some of the other ones it's on.
ClassicalNinja ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:23:30 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
There was a Ukrainian teenage girl who got lost inside Odessa's catacombs during a new years party. Alone and afraid, she wandered the catacombs for days in pitch black and freezing temperatures before she passed away.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 08:52:13 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
apparently it took ages to find her body as well
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:12:09 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Arius, the christian heretic. He shit out his own bowels.
ScaryLarryMC ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:14:34 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
back in the medieval ages, they would put a rat in a bucket and put the bucket on your chest, then hold a torch to the bucket and the rat would eat a whole through your chest to escape.
Luxurypoop ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:20:54 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I'm surprised that the Japanese man that was kept alive with radiation isn't high up. It's been on here and couple times and it may be close to one of the most fucked up things, as are most of these.
roflpwntnoob ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:25:06 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
The torture method where they are whipped, hubg between boats, and drizzeled with honey so that insects come and fester in the whip lashes. They die from necrosis, exposure,shock and being eaten alive.
VIIX ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:37:58 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Killed with a melon baller.
TheSecretLion ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:40:31 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Genghis Khan boiled dozens of people. Imagine being in water till your neck, waiting for the water to get hotter and hotter...
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:04:56 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
apparently its not all that painful if you are put in cold water first as you lose consciousness due to excessive sweating then drown, i admit not pleasant but i dont think its the worst
DeVeelvraat ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:10:13 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Auguste Chapdelaine, a French Christian missionary of the Paris Foreign Missions Society.
Death by a thousand cuts, the slow process, the lingering death, or slow slicing, was a form of torture and execution used in China from roughly AD 900 until it was banned in 1905. In this form of execution, a knife was used to methodically remove portions of the body over an extended period of time, eventually resulting in death.
rich815 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:25:08 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Look up Vlad the Impaler. Anyone killed by him.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:01:13 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
yeah but for every village he impaled 10 villages would flee effectively sparing more people from death
Gentlemans_Game ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:36:38 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Perillos of Athens burned in the Brazen bull and then thrown off a hill
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:36:55 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Peter Stumpp.
Breaking Wheel:
From what I understand, sometimes they would weave the broken arms through the spokes of the wheel as well.
Bonus heavy metal song about this guy.
skjellyfetti ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:44:34 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe not the most horrible but I found it more than a little disturbing when I read it 10 years ago...
An anonymous prince, or malik, in Mosul (present day Iraq) that was killed by Hulagu Khan, a grandson of Genghis Khan's... From the 25 April 2005 New Yorker :
vito1221 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:45:44 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I bet the folks put into that giant brass bull with a fire under it would have traded places with Octavia.
oncie ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 07:00:56 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Did you know, the creator of the bronze bull was asked to show how it worked once inside they closed it and killed him with his own invention.
redditnpopcorn ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:36:28 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Woah! Source??
oncie ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:06:59 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Sauce
shot-in-the-mouth ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 08:59:47 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Mostly false.
RadleyCoopSound ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:55:23 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Wasn't Joseph Smith shot in the goddamn eye?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:08:38 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
not a bad way to go
tusig1243 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:56:00 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I think saint Bartholemew was flayed. Would be a very slow and agonizing death
RadleyCoopSound ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:56:11 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Also for all you Christians out there.....the Philistines got their asses handed to them via Samson....and the jawbone of an ass...
johnnycu ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:00:23 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Anyone who jumped from height and didnt die instantly.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:11:18 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
a lot of people who survived suicide jumps have said the second they jumped there was instant regret
SYNTHLORD ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:06:10 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Definitely the brass bull..? Or that scene from bone tomahawk?
TheAndrewBen ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:09:07 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Ok, now I'm going to hang out in /r/aww for a while before I go to bed.
FarmBaldwin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:09:40 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Jeepers, you people sure know a thing or two about torture.
def_not_a_reposter ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:11:40 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Getting buried but not dying in an earthquake would suck.
kingguy459 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:12:44 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Not really a specific person, but the people who died in it...I don't even remember what it was called, something like "Bloody Eagle". And why it's called that, it's when they cut your spine open, take out your lungs to form the wings on the back and let your blood spillover while you "fly"(breathe).
theHangedGod ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:26:01 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Blood eagle by Ragnar's Sons.
Source: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ivar_the_Boneless
morlaz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:37:01 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Can someone tell me if the whole "rodent in a container strapped to the body with heat on the opposite side." Is a real thing?
Because if someone died of a rodent slowly eating it's way into you to avoid the heat that'd be pretty gnarly.
Faeruun ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:38:55 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
the guy who got shat on by an elephant and died suffocating from the manure
JimmyGOATroppolo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:39:22 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Manius Aquillius had molten gold poured down his throat.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manius_Aquillius_(consul_101_BC)
Badname1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:45:04 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Not a famous history person buuuuuuuuuuuuut, a kid fell in a woodchipper.
salmon10 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:56:17 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Vigo Von Homburg Deutschendorf, aka Vigo the Carpathian. And he didnt just die of old age either; he was poisoned, stabbed, shot, hung, stretched, disemboweled, drawn and quartered.
mostdeadlygeist ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:57:38 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
2004, a sewage plant imploded in Spokane, WA and one of the workers drowned in shit. http://www.spokesman.com/stories/2011/may/27/ruling-upheld-in-sewage-death/
I was at tennis practice that day and still remember the awful smell that basically clouded the city shortly after the implosion and this was a few miles away at least.
ColoniseMars ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:31:39 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I should not have read this thread right after breakfast.
gainswor ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:40:30 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I can't remember her name, but the girl who died after getting lost in the (Prague?) catacombs was pretty horrifying.
shot-in-the-mouth ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:49:05 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Paris
747sp ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 10:00:16 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Its the Odessa Catacombs, I think.
visiblur ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:57:45 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
รlla of Northumbria. He killed Ragnarr Loรฐbrรณk and in retaliation, Ragnarr's son, Ivar the Boneless, carved him the blood eagle
DarthFarious ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:16:18 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
ITT: Nightmares
SedaleThreatt ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:23:41 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Jesus had a pretty horrific exit.
SonicSingularity ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:26:14 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
So did a lot of other people who were crucified. Really a horrible way to go, especially with how common it was.
mainkhud ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:31:15 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
About 400,000 people a year die from drowning (not even including natural disasters). Like the other causes of death listed here, drowning is a terrifying and uncomfortable way to die. So deeply ingrained is the fear and terror of drowning that โwaterboardingโ used as a torture is highly effective. (Positioning a person with his head low so water cannot flow into the lungs, covering his nose and mouth with a towel and pouring water on the face. In almost all people this results in immediate panic and intense discomfort.) If the drowning person is conscious while drowning, the terror experienced may well be greater than any other death.
Charles_Halberd ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:40:33 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
The Spanish Inquisition...
OsutorariaOcchan ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:53:48 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Did not expect that.
supahmonkey ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:05:51 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Durable Mike Malloy
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:26:21 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I recal some South American head of state got a pickaxe to the brain shortly before his term ended
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:26:31 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maximilian_Kolbe
At the end of July 1941, three prisoners disappeared from the camp, promptingย SS-Hauptsturmfรผhrerย Karl Fritzsch, the deputy camp commander, to pick 10 men to be starved to death in an underground bunker to deter further escape attempts. When one of the selected men,ย Franciszek Gajowniczek, cried out, "My wife! My children!", Kolbe volunteered to take his place. (...)
The ten condemned to death went through terrible days. From the underground cell in which they were shut up there continually arose the echo of prayers and canticles. The man in-charge of emptying the buckets of urine found them always empty. Thirst drove the prisoners to drink the contents. Since they had grown very weak, prayers were now only whispered. (...)
After two weeks, nearly all the prisoners, except Kolbe had died due to dehydration and starvation. Because the guards wanted the cell emptied, the remaining prisoners and Kolbe were executed with a lethal injection.ย
wolster2002 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:29:32 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
James Bulger. Still gives me nightmares.
knyg ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:29:32 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
the girl who got lost in an underground maze that was pitch black.
anotherbrokephotog ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:44:55 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
The only guy Wisconsin ever executed had a pretty rough exit.
Rough enough that they never tried it again.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_McCaffary
sanii123 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:46:56 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
George Plantagenet, 1st Duke of Clarence drowned in a barrel of wine.
Saxon2060 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:56:20 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corporals_killings
David Howes and Derek Wood were wearing civilian clothes and driving in a silver Volkswagen Passat hatchback. The Mac Brรกdaigh funeral was making its way along the Andersonstown Road towards Milltown Cemetery when the car containing the two corporals appeared. The car headed straight towards the front of the funeral, which was headed by several black taxis. It drove past a Sinn Fรฉin steward who signalled it to turn. Mourners at the funeral said they believed they were under attack from Ulster loyalists.[11] The car then mounted a pavement, scattering mourners, and turned into a small side road. When this road was blocked, it then reversed at speed, ending up within the funeral cortege. When the driver attempted to extricate the car from the cortege his exit route was blocked by a black taxi.
When the car was surrounded and the windows smashed, those surrounding attempted to drag the soldiers out. Wood produced a handgun,[12] which certain off-duty members of the security forces were permitted to carry at the time. Wood climbed part of the way out of a window, firing a shot in the air which briefly scattered the crowd. Television pictures showed the crowd surging back, with some of them attacking the vehicle with a wheel-brace and a stepladder snatched from a photographer. The corporals were eventually pulled from the car and punched and kicked to the ground.
Journalist Mary Holland recalled seeing one of the men being dragged past a group of journalists: "He didn't cry out, just looked at us with terrified eyes, as though we were all enemies in a foreign country who wouldn't have understood what language he was speaking if he called out for help."[13] They were dragged to the nearby Casement Park sports ground. Here they were again beaten and stripped to their underpants and socks by a small group of men. According to the BBC and The Independent the men were also tortured.[2][11][14] A search revealed that the men were British Army soldiers. Redemptorist priest Father Alec Reid, who later played a significant part in the peace process leading to the 1998 Good Friday Agreement, intervened and attempted to get someone to call for an ambulance, but was dragged away and threatened with shooting if he didn't stand up; he was then pulled away from the men.[15] The corporals were further beaten and thrown over a high wall to be put into a waiting black taxi. It was driven off at speed, while camera crews captured one of its passengers waving a fist in the air.
The two men were driven less than 200 yards to waste ground near Penny Lane (South Link), just off the main Andersonstown Road. There they were shot several times. Wood was shot six times, twice in the head and four times in the chest. He was also stabbed four times in the back of the neck and had multiple injuries to other parts of his body. Reid had been following the perpetrators in an attempt to intervene and save Howes and Wood; when he arrived at the scene he gave the last rites to the two men.[16]
Sir Brian Hutton, sentencing, said
"All murders are brutal, but the murders of Corporal Howes and Corporal Wood were particularly savage and vicious . . . They were stripped of most of their clothing and they lay in their own blood in the back of the taxi when you took them to the waste ground to be killed, and in that pitiable and defenceless state you brought about their murders as they lay on the ground."
Shortly after, the IRA released a statement:
The Belfast brigade, IRA, claims responsibility for the execution of two SAS members who launched an attack on the funeral cortege of our comrade volunteer Kevin Brady. The SAS unit was initially apprehended by the people lining the route in the belief that armed loyalists were attacking them and they were removed from the immediate vicinity. Our volunteers forcibly removed the two men from the crowd and, after clearly ascertaining their identities from equipment and documentation, we executed them."
Cunts.
Jayelzibub ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:58:22 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
The guy who lasted over 2 weeks of Scaphism. Basically you get placed in a boat with holes for your arms and legs to hang out. Then another boat placed firmly on top so your stuck in that position. Then they would float you out into a swamp for all the insects to get intimate with your body. You would be kept alive by being brought back in to be force fed and smeared in milk and honey to cause bowel distress to attract more insects to come feed. Two fucking weeks of that!
KimJongUnNK ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:01:58 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
All of people throughout history who were sentenced to death by impalement.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Impalement
DraketheDrakeist ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:22:00 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
ITT: have faith in humanity? Not anymore!
22eyedgargoyle ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:30:35 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Chinese bamboo torture has to be up there. They would tie you to two wooden stakes as you later horizontally, face down. They would then gorge you with tons of food to make you fat. Then they plant a bamboo shoot below you and because bamboo grows so fast, in about ten days the plant will start growing through your fat body.
UsernameTaken81 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:37:55 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
there was a black woman who was lynched after calling out a moon for lynching her husband. Basically they burned her alive, cut open her stomach (she was 8 months pregnant), stomped the baby, then shoot her hundreds of times
Can't remember her name, sorry
backtolurk ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:44:40 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
ITT: not enough cartel, syrian and other wild style stuff
Bojangly7 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:01:37 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Isadore Duncan.
AllahuAkbar02 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:14:07 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Edward the 2nd of England supposedly died by being tortured several times and then finished off by having a hot fire poker shoved up his anus.
ZombieJC42 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:15:40 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Can't remember his name but the gay prince from Braveheart was killed by having a red hot poker shoved up his arse!
darthbrowncoat ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:21:27 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
JESUS
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:22:02 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Anyone subjected to a thermobaric weapon would probable be up there.
From wikipedia
I've heard stories that, if not directly hit, they'll basically suck the lungs out of your body as you cook alive.
Mortar_Art ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:26:05 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
WHY AM I READING THIS.
Time to hit the back button.
El_Hoxo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:29:09 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
That guy who fell backwards into a moving trash compactor.
filly062178 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:32:15 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
When I was a kid, the son of one of my grandmother's friends worked at a sewage treatment plant. He fell in and drowned.
ignoramusaurus ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:35:54 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
The idea of Victorian prostitures being hung, drawn and quartred has always grossed me out.
Meme0bsessed ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:49:44 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Anyone who had to endure time at Japanese Prefecture 731, abhorrently horrifying atrocities. Basically any image is NFSL, before you go off and Google it.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:50:32 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I read somewhere about this guy a long long time ago was fed a lot of milk and honey and laxatives and also lathered in honey, then tied to row boat and pushed put into the middle of a swamp. The bugs came and ate him alive as he shit all over himself. The bugs laid eggs inside of him as he watches them crawl in and out of his body. Took about a week for him to die.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:52:32 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
my high school exam results are all coming out tomorrow, was insanely nervous. this really took my mind off it.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:02:33 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Edward II of England was deposed one of his noblemen (Mortimer) because he didn't like Richard's relationship with his male companion Piers Gaveston. Having been removed from the throne, Richard was locked up in a dungeon and left to die.
At some point later, an assassin made his way into Edward's cell -- probably on Mortimer's orders -- and decided to end his life with the most ironic of punishments: the assassin took a red hot poker and repeatedly sodomized Edward with it until he died. Contemporary reports say the screams could be heard for miles.
Epilogue: The big mistake Mortimer made was leaving Edward's son alive. He later became Edward III of England, and let's just say that he wasn't the forgiving sort...
Jrebeclee ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:07:33 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)*
I read an account of a fully pregnant woman whose family was killed by Native Americans, then they gang raped her until she went into labor, she was in labor for four days and died. I don't remember the name but that is just horrific
Edit, they don't record her name here but it's in the second paragraph
ScrapeReality ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:12:09 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Claude Neal
His penis was cut off in front of him and he was forced to eat it, and all the other tortures such as fingers and toes cut off, skinned stabbed burnt etc. He was an african american who was accused of raping a white women and consequently lynched, worst part was that there was no hard evidence he had done it. After they killed him they burnt down the houses of every other african american in the area
eshemuta ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:13:31 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
A common punishment in colonial India was to be "broken on the wheel". The miscreant was tied to a wagon wheel and a big fella with a steel rod methodically broke every bone in his body. I understand it was widely used in Europe too.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:17:31 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
That bus massacre by Los Zetas was awful.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:37:12 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
MLK Jr., betrayed with a kiss.
dashdanw ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:40:13 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
The [Byford Dolphin Diving Bell Accident] is definitely up there in my book.
OTPh1l25 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:57:55 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Dwain Weston
Slammed into a railing on the Royal Gorge Bridge skydiving at over 120mph, then hit a rock face. Died pretty much instantly.
There's video of the incident too, but I don't have the link on me.
Nightthunder ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:24:53 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)*
The bronze bull, the sandpaper room, bamboo torture, rat torture, and being hung drawn and quarted were all awful. The bronze bull was a large bronze statue of a bull that had a hollowed out space inside. The king would lock people in it, and set a fire beneath the statue, slowly cooking the person inside until they died of it or suffocation. There was a trumpet like device inside that lead to an opening in the bulls mouth, so the victim would use it to breath, and while they screamed, it would warp the sound so it sounded like a bull bellowing. The sandpaper room was a space that was inescapable, on top of a belt (think grocery store belt). The surface of it was rough like sandpaper, and the victim would walk for as long as thr2y were able, before eventually collapsing, and being ground up. Bamboo torture was on mythbusters a while back, but essentially there were two ways of doing it. On was to set the person on an already mostly mature bamboo stalk, and add weights to their legs, slowly forcing them down onto it. The other was to strap them down with a young bamboo stalk below them. The bamboo would then grow up, piercing their body. In both cases people could be human shish kebabs for days before dying. Using rat torture, the person would be strapped down, and a bottomless box of rats would be placed on their chest. Fire or some other intense heat would be placed on the top of the box, and in order to escape the rats would dig through the person. If you were hung drawn and quartered, they would string you up in the gallows until you were almost dead (hung). Your intestines were then pulled out and burned or buried in front of you (drawn). And finally you were subject to the classic each limb tied to a different horse, then the horses ran away (quartered). After that they just left you. History is rough man.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:34:17 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Two sons of Guru Gobind Singh being 'bricked' alive. http://www.sikh-history.com/sikhhist/martyrs/sahibzade.html
Kingguyman ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:48:24 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I'd say Jesus had quite a horrific death historically.
http://www.cbn.com/spirituallife/onlinediscipleship/easter/a_physician's_view_of_the_crucifixion_of_jesus_christ.aspx?mobile=false
Thetrufflehunter ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:59:40 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
There was a torture method where the victim was hung upside down with his legs spread apart. Using a two person saw, they would go back and forth sawing between his legs until he died. Since all of the blood is in the guy's head, he would usually last until they reached his stomach.
2Deep4Adele ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:04:41 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Probably everyone that died inside Unit 731.
vrsick06 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:21:31 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Slow, scared, and alone with their thoughts and regrets.
LuciferLordOfPride ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:05:34 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Hypatia of Alexandria (351-415) was supposedly murdered by having her skin scraped off with pottery shards, dismembered and burned (although she most likely would have been dead by the time they got around to the burning)
B-612 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:08:46 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Komarov died on re-entry but wasn't there other Russian cosmonaut(s) who died up there after air ran out, cursing until they had no breath left?
hablomuchoingles ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:14:24 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Mithridates the soldier
Wild_Hunt ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:20:13 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
The Chinese execution of "slow Slicing" where you're essentially dissected piece by piece is pretty horrible. That or the death of Tim Lopes who was killed by Drug traffickers in Brazil in 2002;
"Upon being confronted, Lopes stated that he was a journalist from Rede Globo. They asked for his journalist credentials, which Lopes did not carry when working undercover. Lopes was subsequently beaten at the scene. Using a Nextel radio, the traffickers called the head drug lord, Elias Pereira da Silva, known by his nickname, Elias Maluco (meaning "Crazy Elias" or "Madman Elias"), at the faction's headquarters at the favela da Grota within the Complexo do Alemรฃo for instructions.They were told to wait for a car to pick them up to transport Lopes from Vila Cruzeiro, across the hills to the top of the Grota in the Complexo do Alemรฃo where Elias Maluco was waiting for what he viewed as the captured "trophy". Before putting him into the trunk of a stolen Fiat Palio, the traffickers shot Lopes in either his feet or legs and tied his hands behind his back.
They proceeded to burn Lopes' eyes with a cigarette. In a "macabre ritual" of violence,using a samurai or a ninja type sword, Elias Maluco proceeded to cut off Tim Lopes' hands, arms, and legs while Lopes was still alive.The other traffickers such as Andrรฉ Capeta and Ratinho also participated in the torture. Police were later told that there was blood on several of the traffickers that were gathered around. Lopes was placed within several tires, covered in diesel fuel, and set on fire. This process, which had become institutionalized among traffickers within Rio's most violent favelas at the time, was referred to as micro-ondas (microwave oven)."
-Wikipedia
B-612 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:22:04 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Omayra Sรกnchez, eyes that haunts.
nypvtt ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:23:33 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I'd say this is pretty high up there. Poor kid.
http://fox17online.com/2015/12/13/teen-gets-dragged-into-woodchipper-on-first-day-of-work/
crm225 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:29:39 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Google "Ling Chi" and you'll find more details.
It's an ancient Chinese execution technique used only upon the worst criminals, traitors and sometimes high level officials. The name itself literally translates as "Slow Slicing". The victim is tortured to death in public with a knife used by executioner to methodically remove portions of the body over a couple of days.
Experiencing lingering death in such a horrible way is probably one of the worst way to die.
kangaroo_tacos ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:54:08 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Look up the the end of the Anabaptist rebellion .
remainelusive ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:59:47 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Richard II had a man length needle shoved up his butt. (Or maybe it was George II...sorry forgot)
mortiphago ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:04:38 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
well there was a kid that got sucked into a wood chipper
Don't know if it's the worst way in history, but it's gotta be somewhere in the rankings
peruvian87 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:12:29 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Tupac Amaru (Peruvian Inka) was pulled apart by horses, one at each limb pulling opposite directions.
Echo8me ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:19:48 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Well, impalement was pretty gruesome. A greased wooden spike thick as your forearm was shoved partway up through your perenium (between your boys and butthole) and then stood up. Gravity would slowly pull you down lower on the spike across time and kill you. Very slow. Very agonizing.
blamb211 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:20:41 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)*
I'm a bit late, and don't have any specific examples, but pretty much anybody who was drawn and quartered. Disemboweled, then pulled in four directions by horses until you come apart sounds absolutely fucking horrible.
Sabres19892 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:21:07 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Bird in the mouth.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:34:34 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
there is a video called "Three boys, one hammer" that depicts two Russian idiots murdering a man in the woods by smashing his face in with a hammer. Fortunately, those guys were caught and trialed
CharacterMilk ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:58:56 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Damn after reading all these, getting my head chopped off by ISIS really doesn't sound all that bad :/
rollergirl1985 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:05:56 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ilan_Halimi
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Affair_of_the_Gang_of_Barbarians
Jewish guy was kidnapped in Paris a few years ago: was tortured/sexually assaulted, burned with acid, etc. over 3 weeks. He was actually found alive but died en route to the hospital...
RomanCessna ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:09:48 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
The people that survived the Kursk explosions. Many hours of what must have been terrible...
Thisguylives ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:17:14 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Back in Watchman Nee's day in China when a christian church would get busted the police would have the congregation relieve themselves in a trough and drown that pastor in it.
Thats gotta be up there somewhere.
_Batia_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:18:40 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
The way Vlad III or "Dracula" had people executed. Gruesome...
Gokuschka ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:20:44 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Attila the Hun died of a nosebleed in his sleep.
haragoshi ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:28:05 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Vladimir Komarov - Russian Cosmonaut selected for the Soyuz 1 mission. Before launch, his friend Yuri Gagarin (first man in space) discovered problems with the space craft. Despite these problems, Soviet command would not call off the launch. If Komarov backed out of the mission, Gagarin would take his place. He chose to continue with the mission because he did not want his friend to die.
Soon after launch, everything went wrong and he was ordered back to Earth. During the descent his parachute got tangled and he fell down to Earth unimpeded, burning up in the process.
There is a book mentioned by NPR that says American intelligence at the time could hear his "cries of rage as he plunged to his death".
Source:
MorbidReality
NPR
JesusGAwasOnCD ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:29:17 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Vlad the Impaler regularly executed people by... imapling them. From the anus all the way up to the mouth and beyond
EbenHSHD ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:36:17 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Everyone who was ever put into a Brazen Bull takes the cake. You are literally roasted to death in your own juices in front of the entire town as if it were some sort of show. The bull was designed so that your screams sounded like a bull just to add to the effect.
alfienoakes ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:45:28 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Sawing. Old execution technique where the convicted was suspended upside down and then sawed in half length wise with a hand saw. Yep. Nuts first.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:53:30 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
People long time ago were fucked up. Fuck them
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:54:54 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Ask A Mortician recently did an episode on "the bad death" that answers this question quite concisely. Scaphism sounds the worst to me, IMO.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:56:07 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Mary Queen of Scots had a pretty brutal end. At her execution they used a dull axe to behead her. The first swing got her in the back of the head then the executioner had to hack at her a few times then eventually finished the job with a knife. Witnesses said that her mouth was moving the whole time like she was trying to speak.
pnvv ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:56:41 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)*
Getting blown up.
Or dissolved.
Or being Junko Furuta.
Gromby ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:57:07 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I have terrible anxiety over planes specifically and I remember one incdent that I saw on the tv show "Mayday" about flight BOAC Flight 781.
Basically it was one of the first cases of explosive decompression on a commercial liner. The explosion inside caused the men, women and children to hit the inside walls and roof of the cabin within a second. They found their bodies in the water with massive broken bones and lung damage.
If you have a fear of planes, or want to learn about some of the worst accidents n aviation history check out "Mayday" on youtube or discovery channel
TerryLiebchen ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:07:03 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grigori_Rasputin
Assassination[edit]
Felix Yusupov (1914) married Irina Aleksandrovna Romanova, the only niece of the Tsar.
"Rasputin and Yusupov (wax figures) in the fancy basement in the east wing of the Yusopov palace. Yusupov, who had visited Rasputin in the past few months for treatment, invited Rasputin to the Yusupov palace, intimating his wife, Princess Irina, would be back from Koreiz and Rasputin could meet her after a housewarming party (Yusupov later denied his wife was involved).[251] Around midnight, on Friday 16/Saturday 17 December, Yusupov went with Dr. Stanislaus de Lazovert to Rasputin's apartment. Yusupov didn't use the regular stairs at this unseemly hour, but a stairwell in the courtyard. Around one o'clock in the morning they drove to the recently refurbished palace, where a sound-proof room, part of the wine cellar, had been specially prepared for the crime. According to Purishkevich they had placed four bottles, containing different kinds of sweet wines, in a window. Waiting in his drawing room on another floor were the fellow conspirators: Grand Duke Dmitri Pavlovich, Purishkevich, his assistant Lazovert and Sukhotin, a friend of Felix' mother (Albert Stopford came up with two of Felix' brothers-in-law: Prince Feodor and Prince Nikita). It seems some women were invited but Yusupov did not mention their names (Radzinsky suggested Dimitri's stepsister Marianne Pistohlkors and film star Vera Karalli).[252]
According to Yusupov in his memoirs he offered tea to Rasputin and petit fours laced with a large amount of cyanide. Maurice Palรฉologue, who in later years rewrote his memoirs, seems to know they discussed spirituality and occultism;[253] Albert Stopford writes politics was the issue.[254] Purishkevich, a teetotaler, mentions he could hear bottles were opened and it is highly likely Yusupov offered Rasputin top wines from the Crimea, from his own vineyard, and perhaps a cherry brandy.[note 10] After an hour or so Rasputin was fairly drunk. Yusupov went upstairs and came back with Dmitri's revolver. Rasputin was shot at close quarters by Felix sitting left of him. The bullet entered the chest penetrated the stomach and the liver; it left the body on the right side.[256] Then Rasputin fell onto a white bearskin.
However, Yusupov did not succeed in killing Rasputin. After a while "Rasputin opened his eyes and became aware of his predicament."[257] He struggled up the stairs to reach the first landing, opening an unlocked door to the courtyard, which had beenโnot long beforeโused by Yusupov's conspirators. Alarmed by the noise Purishkevich went down and fired at Rasputin four times (from an unknown distance) while missing three times (according to Nelipa). The bullet penetrated the right kidney and lodged into the spine.[258] Rasputin never reached the gate,[259] but fell into the snow, just outside the door. Then the body was carried back inside. A nervous Yusupov severely hit his victim in his right eye with his shoe.[260] Both shots were fatal; he would have died within 10โ20 minutes, but when the body made a sudden movement, one of them placed his revolver on the forehead and pulled the trigger.[note 11]
Felix private apartment was on the east side of the palace, Embankment 94. Between the basement and his rooms, half way up, was a door opening onto a cobbled forecourt of the house adjoining. The photo shows the courtyard (belonging to Moika Embankment 92, also owned by the Yusupovs) and the secret door (between the first and second window on the right).[264][265] Two city policemen on duty heard a 'rapid fire' of gunshot sequence;[259] besides they had seen cars coming and leaving. They discussed the issue on the Pochtamtsky Bridge. One of them questioned Yusupov's butler for details, but was sent away.[266] Twenty minutes later he was re-invited to the palace. Purishkevich boasted he had shot Rasputin, and asked the policeman, aware of his mistake, to keep it quiet for the sake of the Tsar.[267][268][269][270][271][272] However, this policeman told his superiors everything he had heard and seen.[273]
The conspirators had planned to burn Rasputinโs possessions; Sukhotin put on Rasputinโs fur coat, his rubber boots, and gloves. He left together with Dmitri Pavlovich and Dr. Lazovert in Purishkevich's car,[273] to imply that Rasputin had left the palace alive.[274] Because Purishkevich's wife refused to burn the fur coat and the boots in her small fireplace in Purishkevich's ambulance train, the conspirators went back to the palace with these large items.
When the body was wrapped in a broadcloth, Dimitri and his fellow conspirators drove in the direction of Krestovsky island[275] and threw the corpse from the car over the railing into an ice-hole in the Malaya Nevka River. They drove back, without noticing that one of Rasputin's galoshes, a rubber boot (size 10), was stuck between the pylons of the bridge. Unfortunately for the plotters his coat "formed an air bell" and the corpse drifted into an ice mass; it prevented the bodyโs disposal into the sea.[276]"
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:09:03 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
That Japanese girl who was tortured to death by her classmates
RexInvictus787 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:10:07 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Channon Christian and Christopher Newsom. Certainly not the worst in all of history but most likely the worst in American history going back many many decades.
GeneralTree5 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:36:41 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
In A.P. U.S. History I remember reading a story about a dude who died by bladder explosion. Apparently it was disrespectful to leave before the King did and he really had to pee but held it in. Boom.
SwoopnBuffalo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:00:24 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Blood Eagle. I'm watching "Vikings" from history channel and saw this performed so I looked it up, and while there is little evidence to prove that it was actually performed, it sounds like if it was it was done on รlla of Northumbria.
"The condemned prisoner would have their spine column exposed and then their ribs severed from the spine and pulled open (to resemble wings). Finally the lungs were exposed (and in some instances covered in salt) to complete the torture and lead to the death of the prisoner."
RobotSnack ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:20:21 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I had a coworker who told me all about Scaphism. I can't point to anyone in particular but this sounds like the worst possible way to die.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:49:58 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
The last time somebody passed me on the highway going 55
BigOldCar ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:52:53 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
All those people who were impaled by Vlad the Impaler.
Ick. Scumbag.
Although those people who were thrown in the Iron Maiden didn't have it very goddamned good either.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:57:51 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Go read about just exactly how Vlad the Impaler actually had his victims impaled.
vintagedino ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:58:54 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I can only think of the Final Destination movies
BigOldCar ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:02:24 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe those people the narco traffickers in Central and South America killed by cutting off their heads with chainsaws.
Or the Jordanian air force pilot who got burned to death in a cage. That's pretty fucking awful.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:03:04 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)*
I think that 9/11 was pretty much the most horrible way to go. People trapped in the elevators were burned alive when jet fuel came pouring down the shafts. People were pulverized by debris when the Towers fell or had to make the decision between jumping to their deaths, suffocating to death from fumes or being burned alive by the inferno. The worst part about it is that they all spent their last minutes of earth knowing what was coming and experiencing every horrible, terrifying second until the end. It's been years, and I still have never been able to wipe that Kevin Cosgrove phone call out of memory, where you hear the Twin Towers begin to collapse and he starts screaming.
I also think the Black Dahlia died in one of the most horrible ways possible. Supposedly, she was still alive when the murderer took a knife and gave her a Glasgow smile. She had also spent days being brutally tortured before he murdered her.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:06:22 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
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weavedawg74 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:25:11 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Holeeee fuck. I just read about it and that's fucking terrible.
hookahbeard ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:12:08 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
All I've learnt... This world's always been fucked up.
BombasticSnoozer ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:43:23 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
The guy who killed Hitler was killed by Hitler! I swear the guy who killed Hitler should get an award!
Sportsclubguy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:56:56 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Grigori Rasputin
rompwns2 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:58:29 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)*
Waiting someone to mention the death from the start of Foucalt's Discipline and Punish: The Birth of the Prison. Just read it.
Here's the guy that got killed.
Edit: okay I just saw someone that has mentioned it.
rompwns2 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:58:40 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Waiting someone to mention the death from the start of Foucalt's Discipline and Punish: The Birth of the Prison. Just read it.
Here's the guy that got killed.
toml3030 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:08:37 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Henry V: His genitals and intestines slowly went putrid while he was alive, over several weeks.
xXmeme_master_69Xx ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:28:22 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
My friend's dad works in the pool buisiness. One night, while we werebat summer camp, he told me a story that went around in the pool business. The story starts a while ago (the '80s I think but I can't remember), this one teenager is trying to impress a few of his friends by holding his breath underwater while at the local pool. He goes underwater and sits at the bottom for a while... an impressive amount of time... so long that people start to get worried. Slowly, a stream of blood starts coming out of his mouth towards the surface. It was later found out that he had sat right ontop of one of the drains, and, back then, the drains had increadible suction, especially in public pools. He had sat on the drain in just the right way to create suction, and all of his innards were pulled out of his body through his anus. He was said to be alive for most of it and to be able to feel his internal organs get pulled out individually. I don't know this friends very well so I don't know how much merrit there is to his story but if this did happen, then it's the worst death I've heard of.
TL;DR: Kid gets innards ripped out by killer pool drain.
PurelyCarbon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:34:23 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Everyone living under the rule of Nero.
Lord_Ahrim1536 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:09:32 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Rasputin, not only did he have a bad time, but he was one tough mother fucker!
-Poisoned
-Beaten
-Tossed down a flight of stairs
-Sat in a cold, dark basement for 8 hours (Russia, mind you)
-His attackers found him to be still alive the next morning, so they brought him upstairs where he proceeded to fight them off and escape out the back door
-He was shot 3 times in the back as he was running away
-Jumped into a freezing river in an attempt to swim away
No one really knows if he's dead or not, he didn't proclaim to be a wizard/healer for nothing.
littlepinkpwnie ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:23:30 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
and his dick ended up in a jar. Supposedly... >.>
littlepinkpwnie ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:24:05 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Anyone impaled by Vlad the Impaler.
DaRealDonaldTrump ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:52:26 on December 16, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
44 days in hell is probably one of the worst.
FridgeFather ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:21:43 on December 16, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Boba Fett got thrown into the Sarlacc Pit where he was digested over thousands of years. What's funny is that he was a total bad ass but died simply because Han Solo accidentally set off his jet pack...
IAmTheScarBrother ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:39:11 on December 16, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Draw and quartering. Get your intestines ripped out, then set on fire in front of you. Shits crazy man
EventArgs ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:32:58 on December 16, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I was listening to my dad today talk about how they used to use elephants as torturers.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:46:06 on December 16, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
The King Of Northumbria Who Pissed Of A Viking. The vikings turned into jigsaw for a moment. This Seem's Pleasant
Mensabender ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:15:11 on December 16, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Tycho Brahe, was a Danish astronomer and died from a burst bladder during a dinner since he refused to get up and use the toilet (as doing so would be a breach of etiquette).
Drmalady ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:48:52 on December 16, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Didn't he also have a metal nose after losing his flesh nose in a duel? He took honor pretty seriously.
Mensabender ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:15:49 on December 16, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Yes. The duel was over a quarrel regarding the legitimacy of a certain mathematical formula and neither had the resources to prove the other wrong, so they settled it in a duel.
rikimaru98 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:57:07 on December 16, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I know I might be late here. Probably NSFW
His body was never recovered.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:34:30 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
In Ancient Rome an innocent but controversial itinerant preacher was arrested on false charges in front of his friends. He was brutally beaten, mocked, and spit on by crowds of people who were enraged by his perfectly legal teachings. He was given an ironic crown made of thorns that scraped into the skin around the top of his head, and then made to carry a massive, heavy torture device up a big hill. He was literally nailed to the device as a public warning for anyone who got on the wrong side of the crown and left out to die in the heat.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:07:52 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe not the absolute worst but the whole thing with Oliver Cromwell's head is pretty fucked up
Artificecoyote ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:24:06 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Cromwell was an asshole
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:58:22 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah but that doesn't mean you should dig up their dead body and put their head on a fucking stick
Haifolex ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:13:46 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Blood Eagle
scruffmagee ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:46:28 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
That scene in Vikings is gnarly
NikKerk ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:46:33 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not sure if this would really count, plus it's not very specific (since I didn't know any specific historical figures that died this way), but there was this one torture device which a triangular prism shaped 'log' was placed on something like 2 beams, and I think the procedure was the victim's sitting on top of the log, chains strapped around the person's ankles, while slowly dragging them towards the ground, and while person's sitting on the 'log', their balls, pelvis, and lower abdomen and other parts are completely crushed and destroyed by the impact, this is as close as I could describe this horrible way to die, which did happen in real history.
greffedufois ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:23:08 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Spanish donkey I think it was called?
NikKerk ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:21:47 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, I searched it up, and it looks exactly what I described.
the_nidificator ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:01:14 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Are you referring to a Catherine Wheel?
greffedufois ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:29:29 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Kind Edward 'Longshanks' had a pretty nasty execution. Sodomized with a white hot fire poker for being gay.
inctbaseball ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 06:34:43 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Um. That didn't happen.
CamelotTisASillyPlac ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:59:26 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
It was longshanks' son, Edward II. Still probably a rumor, but awful nonetheless
greffedufois ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:02:06 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Okay, further research and history says that it was a rumor spread to posthumously depose him. Still would be a God awful way to die though, and with medieval torture methods, it probably happened to someone at some point.
inctbaseball ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:54:24 on December 18, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Agreed
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:11:17 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
unprepared for death
wholebunchofbees ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:20:48 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Otto Schinkel Jr. the co-owner of Anchor Steam brewery in SF died when one of the cable street cars ran him over, splitting him in two, right down the middle. It ran over his chest and crushed his head, mangling his body while his brother watched in horror.
http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=78188294
darngooddogs ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:25:05 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Chef caught it pretty bad.
AlmightyIsANoob ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:36:01 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
The Execution of Crown Prince Sado.
By royal decree from his father, the king (and with permission from his mother, the queen), Prince Sado had to be executed through the means of being sealed in a large wooden chest and left out in the July heat. He eventually died after eight days.
History indicates that he was executed for killing and raping as a result of a mental illness, but some also debate that he was framed by political opponents. Whether or not he deserved it or not, that is a pretty horrible death if you ask me.
toml3030 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:16:07 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
He actually did kill a servant in a fit of rage.
Blobos ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:22:19 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
The "brass bull" was pretty bad https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brazen_bull
redditnpopcorn ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:07:01 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
The bull was made entirely of bronze, hollow, with a door in one side.[3] The bull was in the form and size of an actual bull and had an acoustic apparatus that converted screams into the sound of a bull. The condemned were locked in the device, and a fire was set under it, heating the metal until the person inside roasted to death. (from wiki)
Hurricane_Ivan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:42:24 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I'm surprised no one has mentioned a victim of the Japanese Unit 731.
That scene with the severely frostbitten hands..
DireOmega ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:27:10 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Those who died alone.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:17:21 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)*
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redditbrookse ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 12:04:04 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
You'd think this would happen, once. Call BS.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:26:09 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
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PropagationNation ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:47:03 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
He only killed like one person dude. He was a grave robber mainly.
Chrondor7 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 00:29:12 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Alone.
Wolfgang3750 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 01:52:54 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Dresden files? Or just got there in your own dark way?
[deleted] ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 06:11:13 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Jesus was crucified.
ingridelena ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 00:36:18 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
necklacing
the_nidificator ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:04:47 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
What's that?
ingridelena ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 06:20:04 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
They put a tire around you fill it with gasoline and light it on fire.
the_nidificator ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:58:16 on December 16, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Fun.
half_african_Erasmus ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 03:56:05 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Jesus Christ's crucifixion
half_african_Erasmus ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:08:37 on December 24, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
downvotes really? I'm an atheist myself but the Romans literally DESIGNED crucifixion to be the most painful and humiliating, to you and EVERYONE associated with you, form of execution...
jams4 ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 00:22:38 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Robert-Franรงois Damiens who attempted to kill King Louis XV of France was tortured to death. Firstly, his skin was peeled off with red hot pincers and his wounds were treated with molten lead, molten wax and oil. Horses were then tied to each limb and he was to be dismembered but they failed. So his tendons were cut and they tried again, this time succeeding. Finally, his supposedly still alive torso was burned
1wthnature ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 02:24:29 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Kendrick_Johnson
MrDerpsicle ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 01:27:41 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Renee Hartevelt
TheyOnlyHateIfUGreat ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 01:39:35 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
One way of execution, that just sounds down right awful, is trapping multiple rats against the victims body, thus making the rats eat there way out of the cage, through the flesh. That sounds terrifying.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:44:23 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
they would have to bloat you some way as i'm sure the rats would suffocate quite quickly, maybe stretch your skin over a cage or something
Nucleardomo ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 02:28:45 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
William the conquer, I think that's who it was, got shot in the eye with an arrow.
CamelotTisASillyPlac ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:58:25 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
King Harold who he conquered was ;) Poor guy beat Harold Hardrada at one end of his kingdom, then had to march all the way down to the south to fight William, just to get an arrow in the eye.
Imablargmachine ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 02:43:57 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Junko Furuta.
stormbreath ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 03:57:36 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Crassus, the richest man ever up to that point was captured by his own men in a mutiny, and molten gold was pored down his throat.
Manifeellikeapirate ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:42:09 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
You might want to look at Crassus' death again...
the_nidificator ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 04:41:31 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Edward II of England. His own wife starved him for weeks in a tower, then, when he wouldn't die, inserted a funnel and shoved a red-hot poker up his butthole. Not really fun.
salvador258 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 05:33:29 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Dying a Virgin
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 09:06:07 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
SIDS is a bitch
gives-out-hugs ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 06:44:40 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
A guy died due to a sex contraption he made by suspending a toilet seat over a plunger using bungee cords, cords snapped and the plunger broke through his rectum, he died impaled on a plunger through his ass
imanimmigrant ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 06:56:31 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
To be fair, nice of us living people know. Dying might be nice, we can never know
redditnpopcorn ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:30:47 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
In your sleep, maybe.
jplevene ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 07:04:39 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Probably all the victims of Albert Fish, but the one that stands out is the little girl.
calcaneus ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 07:07:30 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
The Brazen bull would suck.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 07:13:05 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
The Jewish during holocaust.
Surf_Nutz ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 07:18:06 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
V.
Kherlimandos ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 07:25:40 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
lol I actually remember reading an article which is a list of the most horrible deaths reported in history. One of them was death of a prisoner by anal pain
Mujlet ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 07:27:53 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Sylvia Likens' death seems particularly horrifying.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 07:41:24 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Ew, love this question..
Delsana ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 08:12:53 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Some people were lost in space.. I believe one died in atmosphere.
PKMNtrainerKing ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 12:49:00 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Giles Corey.
He died in the Salem Witch Trials. His death was crushed by rocks, and all he could say was "more weight" until he finally died
Splitz300 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:07:03 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
anybody that has been drawn and quartered.
Ouch.
lazlounderhill ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:34:46 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Ishikawa Goemon - He was sentenced to death by being boiled alive in an iron cauldron along with his very young son, but was able to save his son by holding him above his head. His son was then forgiven.
Urgullibl ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:55:10 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_unusual_deaths
Krazyzane ยท -7 points ยท Posted at 01:36:14 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
I read somewhere in school that Hitler poured gasoline down one of his cousins throats and lit it on fire burning him from the inside out!
MasterKaen ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:41:12 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
That doesn't sound true.
Deerwhacker ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 01:03:07 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)*
Was watching the history channel last night, Ivar the Boneless gave รlla of Northumbria a Blood Eagle in March 867. Didn't sound like much fun..
TaylorS1986 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:08:14 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
That never happened, it was a later invention of later Icelandic poets who misinterpreted archaic metaphorical language describing Aella laying dead on the battlefield.
Redditoriate ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 01:08:41 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Guy Fawkes.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:39:56 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
to my knowledge it was a thumb screw then hanged from the neck till death, was i wrongly informed?
redditbrookse ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 11:54:00 on December 15, 2015 ยท (Permalink)
Despite the OP foolish question, which I did nonetheless read, why do most of these involve Arab-types?