Hi folks, we realize this technically breaks rule 1. However, we see there's plenty of discussion in here so it'll remain. Removing it this late would just be unproductive. Apologies for any inconvenience.
This is the good mod bad mod person. Thanks for voting :P
chishiki ยท 30 points ยท Posted at 18:44:51 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Uncommonly good mod.
[deleted] ยท 38 points ยท Posted at 19:14:40 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Why do you let this user spam the subreddit? He has over 20% of the top 25 posts and almost 50% of the "new" posts. This user makes multiple posts every hour.
Fraid not! I think what they might have construed for spam was something that we've already dealt with (ham โ spam) but the OP has deleted afterwards.
You're not alone in that. We've had a chat with the user already. Please feel free to DM me about this issue or message the mod team about it if there's more issues that arise. Apologies in advance if responses are slow, we have a couple mods out on break so it's just me on EST ๐ฉ๐ฉ๐ฉ๐ฉ๐ฉ
Haha, I don't mod much anymore. Id like to just specialize in one sub only. Though I used to moderate /r/AndroidThemes, I'm only there to help the new head mod, /u/MHcharLEE get up to speed (YOURE DOING GREAT, FAM โฅ๏ธ). Feel free to stop by there and say hi to him!
Yo wassup. Big shoes to fill but I'm trying. Also, yes, subscribe to /r/AndroidThemes, buy our merch, smash that like button, links in th description, all that stuff.
Never, actually! But this was a fantastic compliment, thanks :)
Unless you count working at a deli shop when I was in uni, haha. I'm a software engineer by day.
I'm just a happy guy in general, or I strive to be. My goal is to always at least make ONE person smile a day. Figured it's a good starting point for a healthy lifestyle.
[deleted] ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 18:49:25 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
How does this break any rules? It's a simple article...
5225225 ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 19:13:40 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Only submissions that are directly related to Android are allowed.
This is not directly related to Android.
The only relation is that spotify has an Android client, but following that logic would mean that I could post stuff about Discord or something here, since Discord has an Android client.
It's the same road that /r/Linux went down. If it runs on Linux or is vaguely related to FOSS, it'll probably do fine there.
This article is more along for the business of Spotify itself. If it were say, something impacting the APK (UI changes is a great example because I loathe the Android UI for it), a deal for Android users, etc, I personally see no qualms with it.
unrelated to spotify but since you seem reasonable in every interaction i have with you, why was the tmobile rcs slated for q2 '18 post removed? wasn't even my post but seems like rcs news was always allowed then that for some reason wasn't for breaking rule 1.
So right now, we don't allow any carrier news updates. However, with RCS coming out and that it's carrier dependent, it's kind of a weird situation (if you have a link I can probably get a better feel for the removal time, if it was before internal discussion or not).
If you remember, we had a community poll a while ago, so we're looking into updating our rule set for that.
Good question, though. It's always appreciated. Cheers!
Huh? I don't see anything you submitted to the sub... I'd love to help ya but I can't if you have no context!
Edit: also I stalked your profile to look for the post but saw your HASS set up. Love it! Been meaning to work on my own. I have a spare server I'm planning on setting up to run it.
No worries! Have a great day, haha. You mind if I ping ya for HASS help sometime down the road? I've been meaning to look into writing some code to hook into my Plex server to automatically turn down my Hue lamps when a movie is playing.
Go for it! I'm in the process of moving so my HASS install is in maintence mode right now, but I'll be ramping that shit up in a month or so, so I'll be really involved.
Gotta get 27 light switches, 4 chromecasts, a plex server, garage doors, locks, cameras, and an assload more all integrated!
Eh. I generally oppose over-moderation, but this is one of those subs where dramatically off-topic posts just run rampant for no reason. Off-topic Google-related posts are one thing that I understand the mods have decided are close enough to being relevant to Android, but this is basically just /r/technology now.
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 18:33:33 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Mildly related, but I love how Spotify has video ads, as if people are sitting there listening to spotify, staring at the app.
Morblius ยท 2388 points ยท Posted at 16:56:17 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Man that would piss me off so much in rural areas with shitty cell reception. It is bad enough loading a song, if a video ad started loading I would never be able to listen to a song.
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When YouTube has problems with their ad loading, they skip the ad and go to your video.
That said, I've heard that the reason ads tend to load better is because they are usually stored more locally while your video can be on a server in Bangkok causing it to load slower while the ad loads faster.
Kevo_CS ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 20:19:35 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I was thinking the same thing about the ad being stored locally. I can't say for sure that that's the case, but if you have spotty cell reception and the video ads are still loading faster than your music, I would think the video is stored somewhere in the app files.
They do both, but being local storage refers to data centers serving your geographic area, and not storage on your device. Now, you can get those ad videos and images cached by your web-browser, streaming client, etc., depending on how often they are viewed, but you should have the ability to delete it whenever you want in that case. Though you'll still probably see the ad until its campaign is up
When you're paid to deliver ads to a certain area, to a certain number of distinct users, having them stored as close to those users as possible is a cost reduction while also allowing you to sell more adspace to more companies. They do the same thing with the actual content they are serving, but the sheer quantity of that content makes that a much more difficult task.
Mnawab ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 01:05:22 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Well the ad is the reason why YouTube can function. It makes sense that it loads better.
For everyone out there who stopped using Hulu, try Hooli!
Hooli provides video with unmatched compression rate, that means less stops, more watching!
[deleted] ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 02:28:35 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Me too 8.99 for tv with ads, I get better a deal from my cable company. No thanks Hulu get on Comcastโs level itโs 2018
Why the downvotes, Iโm joining the โI pay less than I ever could through my cable company for recent tv shows through Huluโ circle jerk. Even though if you pay 11.99 you donโt have to watch ads either.
I feel you guys truly believe you shouldnโt have to pay for music or tv and you shouldnโt also have to watch ads.
Wonder if itโs cause your work ethic sucks and no one should be paying you for your work
heebath ยท 81 points ยท Posted at 18:45:42 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
They can get that info from IP, which they already have if you're streaming. If you're streaming on mobile data and not wifi, it's still accurate enough to find local business ads.
I'm in california and they play comcast commercials on hulu here. I dont even know where comcast would service because the major isp here is atnt, frontier, spectrum.
Any yet I get the same few ads over and over and sometimes even get a few in Spanish for some reason even though I've never watched and show in spanish.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:16:36 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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heebath ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:37:44 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I get it, but why not just take my word for it when I enter my zip code, or estimate by IP range or something. Netflix doesn't ask for GPS to be turned on, neither should Hulu. It's a battery drain.
Do they really do this? If so, holy fuck no wonder people still pirate.
ddpowkk ยท 91 points ยท Posted at 19:49:39 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I'm pretty sure a Hulu subscription doesn't even include ad free streaming. You have to pay extra. And even then I think only some programs are ad free. So you end up paying like $15 a month to get some semblance of consumer friendly streaming service and there are still options up to $40 a month. Its basically just cable companies trying to do what they do with tv on the internet. "Okay so you give us a buttload of money every month and we will still make you watch ads. What's that you want to watch good content too? Well you need to buy our premium package." Then later its gonna be like "whats that? You want to have limitless bandwidth access? Pay an extra $20 a month to get a no limit streaming package for a limit of 20gbs per month". Fuck Hulu
Yea, the ads are a pain at the 8/mo level, but if you do get the 'ad free' version for 12 a month (1 buck more than netflix), there are only a couple of shows that have ads. Currently shows that have ads (usually just one 30 second or so ad before and after and you can skip the after one by exiting to the menu)
Greyโs Anatomy
Once Upon a Time
Marvelโs Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D.
Scandal
New Girl
How To Get Away With Murder
I am not aware of any limit on the library for content beyond 'premium cable type channels'. Even then, the premium options cost the same for a streaming plan eg HBO for 15, SHO for 9, skinamax for 10. If you want streaming live TV, its 40 bucks a month (comcast charges 60 for a similar lineup + equipment and all that shit). Plus you can cancel the tv feature whenever you want, making it much better than paying for the privilege of letting dust accumulate on comcasts box. IMO its a better deal to get the 100/150 meg from comcast for like 50-65 a month and then pay for TV only during the sports seasons (if you like sports). For reference, comcasts bundle with 100 internet and a comparable tv lineup is around 95 a month with a 2 year agreement. I'd much rather pay 50 a month, and 90 a month for the months I want TV. From that point of view, hulu doesn't seem so bad imo.
Note: this post is in no way supporting the ISPs interest, just the point of view of someone who is too lazy to go sailing for content to watch and just like to sit on the couch and press play, with the highest quality picture available. More info for HULU pricing.
It doesn't. If you want to pay Hulu what you pay Netflix or Crunchyroll, you still get a fucking deluge of ads.
Then again, considering the (partial) Comcast ownership, I'm not surprised.
That's a big part of what drive me away in the first place. That and how (at least, at the time, I'd be watching a show and they have seasons 1, 2, 3, 5, and 8. For the rest? Go pay Amazon or something. So, I just cut out the middle man and went directly to Amazon while handing the substitution to Crunchyroll instead. Fucking worth it.
Edit: Oh, right. I just learned that Hulu's higher cost "ad-free" tier has shows that run commercials. Yeah, fuck Hulu.
The ad-free Hulu subscription comes to ~$12-13 a month and there are only about 6 shows that actually have any ads. With all the content that leaves Netflix each month, Hulu is starting to be worth it. I used to hate Hulu but recently jumped on the bandwagon to watch Archer and IASIP.
I also used Covenant on Kodi, but Hulu is much more convenient and simpler for guests to use if need be.
Ad-free Hulu is only like $13. For that you get a lot of shows the day after they air and a back catalog that Netflix can't touch. That may or may not be a fit for your needs but it's crazy how upset people get that Hulu has a cheaper tier that includes ads. I just don't get the hangup on that...
efuipa ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:32:00 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Hulu used to not even offer an ad free subscription iirc. I for one completely ignored it due to that, so I'd guess a decent chunk of those people are also ones who ignored Hulu back then and never looked back
eibv ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 20:57:44 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
$8 for limited ads, $12 for no* ads.
*Greyโs Anatomy, Once Upon a Time, Marvelโs Agents of .H.I.E.L.D., Scandal, New Girl and How To Get Away With Murder do have a short ad at the beginning of the show, but the show itself isn't interrupted.
The $40 option includes local TV and 50 hours cloud based DVR. Only ads you would see would be on local TV and on those few shows.
Slightly annoying their "no ad option" has ads on a few shows, but they still have better content than Netflix now. Besides some of the Netflix originals.
And even then I think only some programs are ad free.
Just playing devils advocate (I dislike hulu for other reasons) but their top tier has ads on a few shows that aren't available on any other streaming service most likely because the network selling them the rights requires it (I think it's only ABC shows that still have ads on the top tier).
It's been awhile since I've read up on it/used their service so maybe they've changed it, but that's how it was. I'd rather have the option to watch those shows and see one 30 second ad at the beginning that not be able to stream them legally at all. Obviously I'd be even happier if they negotiated a way to have no ads, but unless those shows are also available on another streaming service it's not really a fair comparison.
You can't compare Hulu to amazon prime video/netflix/etc without talking about their catalogs. Hulu offers much more recent shows (usually 1-7 days after they air) but they also disappear sooner than netflix. They're both streaming services, but they have slightly different models with different pros and cons. Their catalog is their biggest pro imo.
Again, not a fan of the company or their service. Just trying to clarify/be objective.
edit: Thanks for downvoting without explaining why... or commenting at all for that matter. Always love that /s
It's not that much extra. Like $4 dollars more. Nothing that I have watched has shown an ad once.
socsa ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:42:44 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
What? It's like $13/m for ad-free and that's it. Honestly the only reson I haven't completely dumped it for YouTube TV is because the ad-free price is hard to beat.
I pay the $12/mo for ad-free Hulu and it's worth every dime. Is it a shitty business model? Maybe. Forcing you to watch ads after paying anything is the real problem. I also pay for my HBO through Hulu because I got tired of having to change logins every time I moved in order to get a decent price on cable internet. Overall I don't mind Hulu. Now, let's talk about the CBS app.......... Absolute garbage.
Panguin ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:54:21 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
For clarity's sake, there are currently six shows on Hulu that have commercials, and they just show one ad before, and one after.
Now, they do call their upper teir plan "No Commercials", which is very disingenuous, but it's not a secret as to which shows have commercials or even the nature in which they are served.
I havent really had any ad issues with Hulu as of yet. What does happen though is that sometimes the ad time will come and I'll get a black screen for maybe 10 seconds and get back to the show.
Try Comcast on-demand while using Linux. They could tell you it's an unsupported platform, but instead they'll show you shitloads of ads and tell you there was a problem loading your video. Then tell you to reload/refresh at which point they just repeat the process.
...or just starts the whole show from the beginning again after every commercial break on my smart TV. I have to have the remote in hand and push pause and play really quick at the end of each commercial break to keep it from happening. Happens about 75% of the time if I don't.
I've actually seen the opposite happen with a slow connection. I used to have a crappy 1 Mbps DSL connection but Hulu would play fine if I set it at 480p resolution. Then an ad would come along and try to play in HD. Ads could hardly even play.
But then there are the times where Hulu glitches out and you don't get ads at all. Next thing you know you are binging a show just because it doesn't get stopped very 4 minutes for ads.
The inverse of that is my experience with the Comedy Central app on Fire TV, which streams the episode fine but the commercials lock up every few seconds for a maddening amount of time. It drove me back to pirating their shows even though I have cable and most networks have decent On Demand.
Of course, they would get into heaps of trouble if ads weren't playing properly.
zoetry ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:56:22 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Imagine being stuck on an ad break for ten minutes because you're internet is hiccuping.
Also consider that while Hulu et al are paying content providers to show their content, ad providers are paying Hulu et al to show their content.
Ads are preloaded and or delivered via the best possible route in order to minimize suffering and ensure that the customer (the ad company) receives the best possible return.
Hulu doesn't make money offering hundreds of shows (that they have to continually pay for the rights to broadcast) to you for a few dollars a month. They make money by selling space in your brain to the people who pay them many thousands a month.
Sort of not entirely related. I have ad blocker enabled on my PC so when ads come on it's just black screen for the duration of the ads and I use that time to check my phones notifications or surf reddit. Sometimes the reddit thing takes over and I miss some of my show.
I almost never go to movie theaters to watch movies, but when i do, thats the same experience - ads are high quality, 7.1 (?) great sound and stuff, but the movie itself has some shity stereo sound, that just hurts ears to listen to...
[deleted] ยท 46 points ยท Posted at 18:52:43 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
as if people are sitting there listening to spotify, staring at the app.
That's because all the video ads are cached. You downloaded them way ahead of time.
themcs ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 23:29:20 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Would be great if they'd use this technology for the actual content
Chaytup ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 23:31:36 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Then you'd have to have every song ever downloaded as opposed to like 5 video ads that repeat. You can download your own library to avoid buffering which is pretty much what you're asking
themcs ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:33:54 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
They would almost definitely be caching songs, but it's likely that it would only be after you've played the song one or more times. The cache may expire to save space when you've not listened to the song in a while too.
It wouldn't make sense to cache an entire playlist preemptively though as it may not even get to play those songs and that's a lot of data to waste (especially for those on mobile data caps), and if your internet is slow enough that it can't keep up the download without buffering, then it's not going to download the rest of the playlist any faster.
Chaytup ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 00:00:53 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
That's what I'm saying, you can precach a playlist. You just click the download button
Do you stream in 320kbps though or the "normal" 96kbps? (160kbps on the desktop app.)
Also "bars" isn't exactly the most accurate way to measure reception.
That said, they were probably just exaggerating.
heypika ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 19:34:36 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You know, there's a completely logical reason for that... Service and ads come from different providers. And the ads one is usually Google, which loves to put cache servers basically everywhere. Very few services can match that kind of diffusion
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 20:50:08 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
+1 to this reply. While a service obviously cares about it's ads getting run as much as possible and that's part of it, the practical reason they load faster is a lot less nefarious than it seems.
Ads make sense to cache locally since you know for sure that nearby users are going to be served a limited subset no matter what they're listening to/watching. It's harder to prepare for the massive range of other on-demand media beyond just popular/trending stuff.
That's not actually true. I have such terrible internet that a video ad can take between 5 and 15 minutes to buffer enough to play. The mobile app is near unusable as a free app. 3 songs. 30 minutes of waiting for a video to load while it plays half millisecond clips of the video and can barely buffer (I get 5Mbps (750K down)). But on my computer as soon as the ad pops up I close spotify and circumvent 20 minutes of ads free of charge. Y'all wanna mine btc with my spotify go for it. Just leave me ad free
Ya because the ads probably preload when on wifi /s
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:40:47 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Shit I haven't ever had that happen. Even when I take the subway, the songs loading when pulling into a stop is enough to keep music playing when I don't have service for the next 5 minutes.
The Android app is slow as hell at times. It's fine for a while after reinstalling it and downloading all of your songs again (for some reason it doesn't find them from before...). After a few months it goes back to freezing and lagging.
Not like I have a shit phone either, I'm on the S7.
Pandora does the same shit, even with strong Wi-Fi. Doesn't bother me much though. 90% of the time I use Pandora is in my car. I can just go to one of my 6 presets and usually at least one has a song on.
The ads are downloaded with the app and it's updates. They can do that now with targeted ads. So then, even if you load a song, then put it in Airplane mode, you'll still get ads. I'm like 75% sure this is true.
Raigek ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:31:50 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Like in football stadiums where the light might be cutt off but the advertisement screens keep having power.
I get what you're saying, but in Spotify's case, they are providing a pretty valuable service for free. Even heavy users lose money for Spotify at only $10/month. They rely on the same model as gym memberships where the frequent users are subsidized by the people that pay and never use it. Getting music for free by just listening/watching some ads is a pretty good deal, IMO. Not unlike the radio, right?
Phone data around where I live (Australia) costs $10 per gigabyte used. These ads load in full HD and use up about 100mb each, and load in the background before you even know one is about to pop up. Just listening to the music costs me $10-20 per hour! Fuck additional subscription costs and the constant brainwashing advertising on top of it! Piracy and cracked APKs let me afford to eat. Nice seeing Spotify focus so much attention on trying to shut a victimless crime down instead of improving their crappy apps.
geoken ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:07:30 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Wouldn't the victim here be Spotify who's having to pay a royalty for that song you just listened to while not being able to collect ad revenue for it?
Spotify makes loads of money by taking enormous cuts out of revenue that should be going to the artist, and by pushing incredibly predatory advertising on users for money. I got stuck in a loop of eternal video advertisements the other day because I'd mute the audio and tab out during the advert, so Spotify continued to play more and more and more and refusing to let me access the music I was trying to listen to to de-stress. Then the flashing popup and banner ads that are present 24/7... They make a million times more money than they need or deserve.
They're not victims until they start treating users and artists like people instead of cattle.
geoken ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:30:55 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I don't want to do the snarky LMGTFY, but if you did even the slightest amount of research you'd see that Spotify is, to this day, running at a loss. Surely the fact that their current take isn't even enough to support their operating costs should suggest they definitely aren't taking more money than they 'deserve'.
You're leeching the server resources, actively contributing to shrinking the artist payout pot, then complaining about artists not being paid enough?? You're directly responsible for those payouts shrinking. How do reconcile that with the fact that the people you're trying to shift the blame to aren't even making enough to pay the power bill?
Could it be a result of alienating users, underpaying artists, and devoting their workers to attacking cracked users when those cracked users wouldn't have been using their app otherwise?
No, it's the pirates!
geoken ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:43:49 on March 25, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
So the fact that they're running at a loss is because they're underpaying artists?? How does the math for that work?
Also, to everything else you said, the loses are shrinking. In other words they're trending in the right direction so obviously everything you said must be incorrect.
Sure, keep trying to justify stealing. I'll try putting a brisket under my shirt next time I'm at Costco and see how that goes for me using your logic.
Lmao the only "stealing" here is Spotify stealing the labour of artists for profits.
Same with Costco selling tens of thousand an hour per store but only giving their dozen employees $10 per hour :))
Costco: employee sells a thousand dollars+ in an hour, gets a wage for 10-20 dollars depending on where you live. That's not being paid well for how much profit your labor is creating.
Spotify: plays predatory adverts, takes most of the revenue and gives artists 15% of the profit they're producing. Even though the artists' labor produced all that wealth, with Spotify serving as nothing other than a storage center for accessing those songs and an injector of advertisements.
I think spotify saves the ads to your device so after the first view they won't be downloaded again. I don't know what else explains the app taking over 500mb on my phone. And no, I haven't downloaded any songs, it's the free version.
Edc3 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:31:40 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The video ads are optional(you have to press watch video in the app). They will give you 30 minutes of ad free music if you watch the video but if you don't watch it they will give you 4 or 5 audio ads in a row.
I use Google Music, and I'd never ever go back to Spotify. Its more expensive, but you get Youtube Red with it at least.
And they almost always have a 3 month trial. Or 4 month if you look around.
The recommend algorithm is way better in my experience. I actually find tons of stuff I'm into. And you can do all the regular things. Download albums for offline play. Upload whatever music you want. Etc, etc.
The only reason I see to use Spotify is saving a few bucks a month. But of course no ads on Google. And youtube red turns off youtube ads I believe. And you can shut off your screen without stopping a video. I know there's other ways around that, but its nice by default. Not sure how much the premium Spotify is now.
So yeah, give it a shot I guess. Free trial, then cancel
Tbf the $5 hulu + spotify student deal is pretty unbeatable. Anyone with access to a .edu email address can sign up.
I agree though I prefer youtube red + GPM. Honestly mostly for the offline youtube than GPM because there are hundreds of mixtapes, EP's, and underground artists that I listen to that aren't available on the either GPM or spotify.
geoken ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:09:45 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
YouTube red is available in only 5 countries worldwide. So this might be a good deal for people that are in those countries, but for the rest it's obviously a non factor.
They do, just watched one this morning. It prompts you to watch for 30 min of add free listening if you want. Also they cache the ads so it may not waste data? probably caches it even off wifi though...
Something I find interesting is that Soundcloud mobile app will cache somewhere around 15-25 songs I think (haven't figured out the exact number) and won't play ads with no signal so I'm assuming they don't cache them? I'll turn off data/wifi and have add free listening on my frequently listened to playlist :)
Exactly, it's a hypothetical that would never happen because no one in that situation would choose the video.
I feel his pain though, old DSL ISP couldn't stream pandora with the router off and only 1 device connected via ethernet.... videogames/patches would take days to download. Now I have unlimited 4g and stream 4k video/320kbps music in all it's glory :)
That's often because they don't need to encode in ways that allow skipping around and the adds are usually loaded on closer servers reducing latency and other common issues. Gives a bad feeli mg when it happens but there is a technical reason for it usually
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:26:12 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Oh no, man imagine being able to tune in music for free with ads while driving around
Or pay for Spotify
kajri ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:33:16 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
So true
hampa9 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:15:36 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Why are you getting pisses off about a free product when you have the option to buy premium.
In Australia watching the video ads lets you listen to songs for 30 minutes ad-free. Also I think one of the cell providers down here in South Australia has a contract with them that lets you stream spotify data free.
Same unless it's the surprisingly funny taco bell add
[deleted] ยท 128 points ยท Posted at 17:35:45 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I have the paid version because I use it 10+ hours a day but video ads sound crazy and distracting when you have your phone mounted up in your car and Spotify open
hellabad ยท 87 points ยท Posted at 18:23:45 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I pay for Spotify for the same reason, if you're using it at least 2 to 4 hrs a day then why not pay for premium and never deal with ads. Not to mention having background noise in your room is great without listening to some ad.
I had Pandora premium for the same reason. I was getting an ad every couple of songs and it got annoying, when I switched to Spotify I immediately bought premium.
[deleted] ยท 47 points ยท Posted at 18:33:23 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I've been using a capital one credit card to pay for my account. I just found out that using that card has been giving me a 50% off for the past few years because of a deal between Spotify and Capital One.
It's been $4.99 a month for several years and I didn't even notice lol
Not only that, but I got my family the group plan for Christmas. We probably listened to 15,000-20,000 songs last year (I hit 10k alone) all for $180. Literally $0.01 per song, roughly.
Probably listening to a lot of songs 2, 3, 4 + times though (if not more.) Not arguing that it's not a fantastic deal, just being a pedantic asshole :P
I'm not sure what Pandora does anymore but what made me swap to Spotify was:
create your own playlists
share playlists. I've searched for artist and not only did I find their music but someone has created a playlist of only that artist and you can find every album available on Spotify.
download locally. Which seem to be real quick, you can download an album over wifi in less than a minute.
I can play Spotify on my Alexa, control what's playing on it using my phone or my computer.
Nujabes. Seriously all his albums being on Spotify was a game changer.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:27:42 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Itโs better for upvote farming. If you complain about ads all day instead of paying up
I pay for premium to get rid of ads as well as being able to download playlists for offline use. I'm in my car a lot for work and we love to travel, so having massive playlists downloaded saves headaches and data.
j1202 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:49:27 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
so use the video ads during video content. the vast majority of users dont watch video content, and listen to it with spotify in the background. it's pretty stupid IMO.
The other day I was using the Spotify app on my phone and it told me "press the button below to watch a video for 30 minutes ad free music" and then I realized I had to open my phone and actually press a button to watch it to get ad free music. Which makes sense why previously I'd been only getting like two songs before a 2 minute audio only ad break came up, I wasn't pushing the button to get 30 minutes ad free by watching a 30 second video.
The video ads are usually 30 seconds, something either relevant( like black panther teaser trailer) or top tier sponsor, like google. You don't ever have to watch the video.. it's a choice to "watch the video" and get 30 minutes ad free, or continue on with the ads as they currently are.
brantyr ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:12:14 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
When I was on free a year or so ago it offer that if you (pulled out your phone and) watched the video ad you'd get a 1/2 hour of uninterrupted music
They make perfect sense when you realize you have limited data and probably just bite the bullet and get the subscription so you don't run out of data every month.
Varonth ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:53:27 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
There was an ad campaign for some sort of champagner a few years ago. It was a video ad on spotify. It didn't have any word spoken, and just some music running.
About half a year after the campaign started, there was one of those spotify surveys, and it was about said ad campaign.
That survey was the first time I actually saw the ad. I knew the song, but it wasn't until then that I also knew what the ad was about.
Seriously, that cannot be effective marketing.
rafasc ยท 28 points ยท Posted at 15:57:03 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Seriously though as far as mainstream media goes this shit is golden imo. This episode and nosedive, they're so perfect for our current society and a metaphorical take on the future. For those wondering wtf, please watch Black Mirror, specifically season one episode two and season three episode one. They're nothing shy of incredible.
What I absolutely hate is that they force you to watch the video format of the ads. If you're stuck in a building you can't watch the ad to play your playlist.
Also mildly related to this, if you use the "made for you" playlists, you can avoid most ads by switching back and forth between playlists, it moves the tracklist forward each time too, so you get unlimited skips.
this is how i suppress my ads... if spotify plays a video ad on an audio streaming service i close it down immediately. fuck video ads on spotify they piss me off
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:13:22 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
So does gooey music.
But Google music has a skip button, same idea YouTube. So I think people will look so they get to skip. Or else the ad would be running for a minute.
Zerotix ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:25:03 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
My wife and I do. Theres the overly broad shoulder guy, the overalls white girl, the steve erkel black kid, the black haired asian/native indian girl... Theres a charmin jingle now, Tyson foods pops up a lot...
But mlst of the time Spotify plays this nice tune and we get excited only to find out its a fake song to advertise premium, where we wont be able to listen to that jingle again...
"Ask anyone! Life goes fast! Faster when youre older!" Yadda yadda yadda
Well, they have to burn as much battery as they possibly can.
esacbw ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:10:00 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
In the next few months Spotify are going to be transitioning into hosting artists' video content on their platform - the video adverts will have much more relevance then
I do this on PC sometimes. Looking for new music and skipping through a bunch of songs and then get bombarded by 5 video ads that are far from anything I'd be interested in.
The free version of Pandora makes you watch a video ad if you want to replay a song. If you turn the screen off while the ad is playing, the ad turns off, and you have to start the ad over again if you want to get your replays.
Stimonk ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:32:10 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Well a lot of times I have Spotify minimized and I'm using another app.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:22:25 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Iโve always thought itโs a great use of bandwidth to have video ads on mobile, especially for apps that donโt otherwise use the internet or use it very little.
I have premium so I do not have to watch the ads, but when I am driving and I have my phone in the dock I do have it open so that the album art is up so in theory if they had ads then I would see them. Just to explain one case.
I use from a un-supported country and I use VPN (US) every 15 days. It has a feature to let users use Spotify for 15 days if they went out of country. If you want to it in inverse, you would have to turn off the VPN every 15 days for once.
iktkhe ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 07:46:03 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You could just use spotify web, the ad block works on it.
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Hello friends it is I, a normal human redditor. Spotify is a great product and should be consumed regularly.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:38:15 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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eibv ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:08:18 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You need a .edu email
Rediwed ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 21:32:19 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
So America only. God isn't .edu wonderful?
Ninjaedit: and like 3 universities that outside of the US that still fall under their grandfathered .edu domains.
eibv ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 21:35:09 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You can contact them and they can manually verify other schools if you don't have a .edu email. I don't know how this applies internationally though.
Rediwed ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:46:52 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Well hulu isn't available here anyway so there's no point in this particular case. More international focused organisations already have access to a very complete list of known universities/colleges anyway.
See IMO this is the wrong approach a lot of "Premium" service providers are taking. The only obvious off-the-bat reason for consumers to pay for a subscription is to get rid of advertisements.
The main purpose of someone wanting to subscribe should be for the content itself, not to get rid of inconveniences like ads and shuffle play. That to me feels like a company is intentionally putting in stupid annoying BS, so that people will pay up, instead of having confidence in the base service they provide.
Edit: Since a lot of you are confused apparently. I don't disagree with advertisements. They're fine and I know why they are there. My issue is with different features on different platforms. Having Forced Shuffle on Mobile and not on PC is absolutely taking advantage and manipulating customers. They take advantage of the convenience and userbase of the Mobile app, and implement a "feature" that only affects them, and not unified across all platforms. Either add Forced Shuffle to the PC version, or remove it unifiably on both platforms.
longshot ยท 50 points ยท Posted at 17:24:37 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, you can either withhold content or withhold features (or both).
In some situations features are more important. I don't necessarily think that is the case here, but which would you be more upset with as a non-subscriber; Not having the album you wanted unless you had premium, or having the album but not playing it in the order you desire?
My guess is the latter will keep more users around until they decide to pay for the service.
If I can't even listen to the artist I want I sure won't make it to the point of paying for the service.
Just my two cents, who the hell knows what they are thinking. Especially since the "shuffle only" crap is only on mobile.
Especially since the "shuffle only" crap is only on mobile.
This is exactly the main reason why Spotify turns me off. I use it on my PC daily, but mobile is a no-go. I can deal with ads on PC just fine, although playing 4 ads in a row is a bit much, and annoying.
But having forced shuffle on mobile and not both platforms, makes it completely obvious what their intentions are. They know that there are going to be more mobile users than PC users, and they force their mobile users to hear their music on shuffle in order to get more premium subscribers. Its nonsense, and like I said, the completely wrong approach from a morality standpoint.
But at the end of the day its Spotify, and they can do whatever they want to do. I just won't give them my money because I personally disagree with their business approach. Anyone else is welcome to do as they wish.
They lose money on their free service, of course they are going to try to drive people to their paid service. They're not a charity, and they're the only major music provider that has a substantive free service to begin with, as far as I am aware. I don't see how this is "morally" wrong.
bruns20 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 19:40:32 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Ya lmao trying to bring morality into a profit driven company doesn't make much sense unless they're like experimenting on animals or something
Yup, I bought the service due to this exact same reason. I do tend avoid businesses with practices I dislike, but I never had a huge problem with this one. Artists still get paid for those non-premium shuffle plays too, which I enjoy the thought of (even if it is a minuscule amount per play).
See the thing is, thatโs not why they even charge to begin with. They charge to make up for the lack of ads and extra bucks. Without lots of ads, they would have been out of business by now.
Now onto the shuffle. See the thing is, mobile users mostly use 3rd party apps to circumnavigate around ads, meaning theyโd pretty much have premium. Thatโs why shuffle is there.
Huh most Iโve seen just have unlimited skips sometimes.ANYWAYS, thatโs the point exactly. They gotta put something else in, or people are gonna abuse it (as seen by the article).
I feel like the problem with the free tier is that it's treated (by users and Spotify alike) as a service in and of itself, whereas it really just acts as a marketing tool for Spotify's paid subscription.
I feel like the feature disparity is a neat trick. If you just tell people 'you can't have this feature unless you pay', they have to make a choice between subscribing, or moving to a different service. But, by offering two solutions (subscribe or listen on desktop), you get the user thinking about those two options, and maybe the thought of going elsewhere doesn't pop into their head.
Having premium content that is only available if you pay would make it very hard to seriously try out the application.
The content is everything, and I suspect nobody would get a positive feeling if their favorite songs are missing during their trial period.
Of course it is there to make people want the premium service. Why would anyone subscribe to spotify if they could listen to all the content at will with no ads?
Your comment should have read "I want everything for free"
Instead of being absolutely ridiculous, you could read my other reply below for a better explanation. I have no problem paying for premium services, to which I pay for multiple.
It's not all about just advertisements alone. I've explained that ads don't bother me.
I'm not "entitled" to shit. The way I come across to you doesn't bother me in the slightest. If you want to go around thinking that someone is entitled because their own opinions differ from yours, by all means, have at it. It's your life, live it however you want, spend your money on what you want as well. I guess currently 62 other people don't think the same as you, are they entitled as well? From your childlike mindset, I guess they are.
How can Spotify make their free service any better than other streaming platforms and still be in business? There is no way you can provide an ad-free service that is so sublime and so much better than the competition that your consumers decide to give up not paying any money to start paying a subscription for the exact same content.
Unless you're saying they should provide a free service that has ads, but the ads aren't the reason you want to buy premium but rather the content is just so good you decide to pay for a subscription? I can't think of a single scenario where that would make any sense, at least not for a company like Spotify in the market they're in.
The forced shuffle play is just a side-effect of not letting you select a song on mobile. Song selection is the feature you have to pay to get. They do shuffle play because if they didn't popularity and thus revenue would be skewed towards songs that appear earlier on whatever collection you're listening to
Agreed. We got grandfathered into a family plan where we got 6 accounts for 15 bucks a month. Couldn't be happier to be honest, use it everyday for hours on end.
Yeah shuffle is big, but the ads they had were intentionally loud as fuck and mixed with the highs loud just to annoy the fuck out of you. Adblock on PC fixed that and the shuffle. But I mostly wanted it on mobile. So far I love my subscription.
Agreed. I've been a premium user for almost a year and I'm very satisfied with it
BDKhXc ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:40:08 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I've been paying for spotify for years now, it's the only way I listen to music. How hard is it to pay $10 A month for something you use frequently, that also supports the artists you love while using it?
Ntm, people with college emails get it for less that $5 A month, and a free sub to Hulu.
They've made it even worse lately. It's even more restrictive now. I just outright decided there's no way I'm paying for literally the ability to even just play from the selection I'm supposed to. (It'll just start adding other shit now.)
Spotify free is absolute garbage. Spotify premium is the best way of listening to music that I've ever used. The $10/month is worth it every penny.
re_flex ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 11:16:08 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Where I live its like 3 dollars per month and every december its basically free for like 3 months... God I love it, add in the student discount and I don't lose money at all
I think they should do this, they have/had the "Listen to this ad for 30 mins of ad free" before, so why don't they allow you to skip 30 mins worth of songs and you get an ad, you keep skipping and how often you get an ad get's lower, 25 mins, 20, 15, 10, etc. Maybe make it work both ways, you allow the shuffle more often and you can start skipping a little more. Useful for those of us playing off 9,000+ song user playlists, cause come on, you're not gonna like everything on there.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:05:22 on March 25, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Or you could just pay for the service.
Pretty simple.
RobinTGG ยท 413 points ยท Posted at 15:27:10 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I mean, I want to listen to music I want to selected, not have Spotify pick some random things out of a list.
Edit: A lot of people say I have to deal with it and not complain because the service is free, and if I want the full thing, I need to pay for it. In my opinion, the "free" version of spotify, is not free at all, or at least spotify is still making a lot of money out of it. I get that if they don't make any money out of it, okay, I'm not getting the full deal, but those 30 sec ads are valuable, and yes I don't have the numbers, but they still make a heck of a lot of money out of it. At least, this is my opinion.
If the 'suggested' songs were like one every 30 minutes, I could live with it.
But I was trying to listen to the Thor: Ragnarok soundtrack the other day, which has like 23 songs. I thought the "suggested songs" only happened if your album/playlist was under 12 songs, but nope. Played 3 songs from the soundtrack, followed by FIVE suggested songs, then one more from the soundtrack, and then FIVE MORE suggested songs. It's one of the most user-unfriendly user experiences I have ever encountered.
That's the worst thing about spotify. The second worst thing is the ad volume. I can handle shuffle and ads since it's just like listening to the radio, but those two things turn me off. I just use Retrowave Radio now.
Very reasonable. Instead of, you know, turning those options off?
What's with the Spotify hate on here? The app is slow and Discover Weekly is a personal gripe (since everyone loves it and it tells me to fuck off by suggesting me trash), but overall it's a great app and they try to add content all the time, even stuff no one listens to.
That pisses me off the most. I pay for Spotify, but when I put a playlist or an artist on, it will switch to a radio playlist. Fuck me for wanting to listen to ABBA and not Simon and Garfunkel, right?
Edit: we got some real life superheros changing my life in here
Whoa let's not get crazy here. I want all my content when I want it, I don't want to pay for it, and I sure as fuck don't want to spend five to thirty seconds out of every couple of minutes just letting an ad run. Why should I be expected to contribute in any way to the content I demand. It's not a real job making it, despite me treating it just like any other real content I consume.
Kcin928 ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 19:57:55 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
VAT is included in all EU country subscriptions. You're paying tax and you don't even realize it lol
EDIT: 5$ sub + 20% VAT tax = $6 sub, $6 is about โฌ5 so.... it's literally the same price +/- forex flux, you just pay tax. This is why VAT sucks, even Europeans who live under it can't figure it out.
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 17:38:40 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I'm replying to someone who said the false "Still charging Europeans more, 5โฌ a month there instead of $5 a month here" by proving that Europeans are not being charged more by Spotify rather, their government is taking a slice.
The U.S. doesn't have VAT, and I don't pay sales taxes on Spotify cause they don't have an office in my state and I don't report the purchases on tax forms (who does?)
You said "Still charging Europeans more, 5โฌ a month there instead of $5 a month here"
my post was disputing that by showing that spotify charges the same amount and the government is who changes it up by law, sorry I got your nationality wrong, but the facts of my post disputing you are correct.
It's still charging customers more. Tax incidents always falls onto the consumer, arguing if it's the government doing it or the company itself is just an exercise in pedantry.
Huh that's interesting. I guess it's because Spotify doesn't have an office in your state, right? I only spent 6 months in the US so I am not very sure. But some websites only required the tax (forgot the name) when your billing Adress is in the same state
Yeah I live in Michigan where Spotify has no physical presence. You may have to report online purchases for tax purposes but no one does. Apple charges a tax on apps and the like, but Spotify doesnโt have to.
Ghalnan ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:05:48 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You don't get charged tax on a spotify subscription, at least not in the state I'm in.
It's $10/mo in Canada. Plus tax. For $5, they'd still have me.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:05:06 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Just remember American healthcare costs the next time you complain about that...
You guys have nothing to be jealous of us for. This country is a fucking shithole unless you're filthy rich.
Mr_Eagle ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 17:08:26 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Bit of an exaggeration donโt ya think.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:15:14 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Not in the slightest. Alabama has a hookworm epidemic. Overdosing is a top five leading cause of death now. Texas has a higher maternal mortality rate than Iran. 40% of Americans are obese. Most American cities have lead in their water, not just Flint. Many "third world" countries have better roads and railroads than us these days.
We just paid 150 to the hospital because our 2 year old son had a false alarm. He fell down and couldn't stand back up. When I looked at his toe it was crooked and swollen. I freaked out lol
We took him to the emergency room and the whole drive he's whimpering in pain. Then as soon as we get there he is all smiles. Flirting with the nurses. When I looked at his feet the swelling had completely gone down and he could walk (and run when he saw a little girl he wanted to play with)
Doctor said she saw nothing wrong with him and we left with my son gleefully saying "Sticky!" After the doctor handed him the most expensive sticker ever.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:10:42 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
From someone who has lived in one: America is not a shit hole. Not even close. A true shithole doesn't have readily available medical services at all. When you get sick you die. You can get any emergency life saving care anywhere in America without paying a dime, and hospitals stress legally obligated to provide it.
Sure, the American system may not be as good as some of the best in the world, but it's so far away from a shit hole it's absurd to compare them.
Not every student. They didnโt allow me to use my edu email.
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 22:26:57 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You don't need a .edu email. You give them your name and what university you go to and they have a third party service that is built around verifying your identity and whether you still go to that university.
Alright then, I don't remember it being that robust back when I tried a year and a half ago. Hopefully I can get my account accepted this time then, I just entered all they asked last time and they said they had an error or something and wouldn't let me give them my money.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:33:40 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I've been on spotify premium for i think atleast 3 years now and when I transferred universities, they basically sent me an email saying they need to verify my student discount. Updated the university to which I switched, and they continued my subscription since then.
Or just get a family plan and split the bill with your "family".
RobinTGG ยท -9 points ยท Posted at 16:28:00 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Well not every student has a credit card, and clearly not every student has a .edu email address. I am still in high school, so even more broke than a student, and I can't have either of these and thus the discount.
That's also part of the problem. People are abuseing the student discount. They shouldn't even be offering it anyway. You should be paying just as much as the rest of us
There is just one problem. You can't abuse the student system. You will need to make an account with your official student e-mail, which will be deleted as soon as you are not a student anymore. You can't cheat this system
As long as you have payments set up for auto renewal, and you had it set up with an .edu to begin with it stays at the 4.99 monthly. I have few friends that have done this for Spotify, and Amazon prime. So yes. It can be abused past its original intent.
As far as I can tell .edu only exists in America(?). As a German I had to make an account on a site called Unidays and I don't know how they handle it after you are done studying
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:26:37 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah I have Apple Music and Spotify premium and both of them required me to verify through third party services(Unidays and SheerID respectively)
Given what has been said can you please explain to us why students should only have to pay half what everyone else is paying? You could also make the argument that students listen to far more music working adults.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:40:30 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Companies like Apple and Spotify do these deals in order to get us into their ecosystem. They want us to become loyal to their brand so that once we graduate they'll constantly be receiving our money. If we've been using one service for 4+ years there's a good chance just out of sheer laziness we wont want to try anything new.
You could argue that the 3 months at 99ยข for new accounts is sufficient enough to do that. And its pretty easy to switch services at any point now that services exist to back up libraries, and playlists. They're obviously loosing money on doing it so I do see how it's economical for Spotify.
Dude. Stop buying coffee for literally two days and you have your subscription price. If music is important to you and spotify is important to you pay for it. People that want full functionality without paying for it are the same people that are going to get the paid rates to raise.
I appreciate your honesty and passion for paying for a service that you value. Unfortunately for Spotify, I don't value their service enough to pay for it at any price. There are simply too many options available for music discovery.
And i fully understand that too, but i donโt think itโs fair to use a version without ads without paying for it. In the end itโs going to push musicians away from putting their stuff on streaming services and itโs just gonna cause pain. All this does is affect people who pay because now they see an increase in price because of these people. Iโve never bought a CD in m life (too young) but listening to stuff via Cd sounds like a pain and i donโt want to see Spotify go into the ground. Maybe iโm naive but i donโt want to see a service i see as a privilege go away
Youโre paying for convenience though, if you donโt want to pay just download the songs from YouTube or something from an App, then listen to your stuff there?
Apparently, its even cooler when the people have less money than you; see the bailout of 2008.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:57:27 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The shareholders will want to know why Spotify is paying out to artists for song plays (which they have to do any time the song is played) but they're losing money over it.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:05:32 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The shareholders will want to know why Spotify is paying out to artists for song plays
They don't have to worry about that, they already weren't.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:08:05 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
They are. If you're talking about that lawsuit, it's actually kind of insane because it's based on an extremely old law that in my opinion Spotify isn't really wholly in the wrong for.
Legally speaking, the lawsuit isnโt about whether Spotify is supposed to pay โ10.5% of revenue minus PRO paymentsโ and whether it was willing to do so. Itโs about whether it sent along a piece of paper to a songwriterโs last known address letting them know that they were going get paid. And because they supposedly didnโt, Wixen is asking for $150,000 in statutory damages per song. Thatโs an expensive piece of missing paper โ totaled up, itโs why the lawsuit is for $1.6 billion.
How do you think people get paid for stuff they distribute online?
[deleted] ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 16:56:03 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The actual artists? In extremely small amounts that do not afford basic living standards.
Some dipshit executives? To the tune of fucking millions.
But the point is you're a retard for believing that listening to an ad is in any way a contribution to anything. They are trying to get you to buy something you didn't already want to buy. You haven't contributed shit.
acidrai ยท -7 points ยท Posted at 18:29:57 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Itโs not a straw man. Itโs quite literally exactly what people are asking for.
[deleted] ยท 44 points ยท Posted at 16:50:30 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 20:37:10 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It's so bizarre reading these comments complaining about the free version
yeah...its annoying to use the fucking free version, that's the god damn point...if the free version wasn't annoying to use people wouldn't pay for the real version...
Premium has additional features that can be worth paying for. Artificial annoyances that serve no other purpose being part of the incentive is what's being complained about. Spotify isn't providing their free service for freeโit has ads.
Itโs fucking free. If you donโt pay for it...itโs free. Just because itโs ad supported doesnโt mean it isnโt free. They owe you nothing. If they want to play a high pitched noise every 30 seconds they can and you canโt do anything about it. Because free.
Yeah seriously..itโs not too expensive at all. I really have no complaints with Spotify other than their ads being obnoxiously louder then the music itself and I donโt even pay for premium
I know, fuckin love the discover weekly and all they have to offer. It's worth every penny, cheap fuckers or people who still live at home or something wanna have all the perks for free and will actively find ways to not pay that are probably harder than just doing the right thing. Spotify is one of few that's really worth it.. We've found so much new music thanks to them.
shadmed ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 16:02:35 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
People who still live at home can get a family plan.
It's probably just people who don't have a reliable source of income or don't care.
Play artist radio.... I keep finding new songs that I like in different genres. Something that takes insane amounts of work and trial and error without Spotify
mickmon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:53:44 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
They don't support artists. Ya know, the musicians actually doing the work.
Yeah they do, if it's some dude making a mixture 100 people will listen too.. He won't make Dick. But the big names do good. Not as well as some other services but they have bigger subscription numbers so it somewhat evens out.
mickmon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:41:03 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Even the big names make dick. It's the lowest paying of any streaming service. Until they pay people who make them money, they don't deserve any more subscriptions.
I'm fine with Spotify limiting free accounts to shuffle play only, but the "suggested song" shit is absurd.
Me: "Here, I want to shuffle play this album."
Spotify: "Oh, you've listened to two songs from the album you selected? Here, let's play 5 'suggested' songs that have nothing to do with the album. Ok, here's another song from the album, followed by 5 more suggested songs."
It is seriously one of the most idiotic user experiences I have ever encountered. I'm fine with listening to ads - that's an expected cost of sticking to a free account. I'm fine with the free account having a limited feature set. I could even understand one or two "suggested" songs every hour or so. But the current setup is fucking ridiculous.
[deleted] ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 20:23:21 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I haven't had any suggested songs in many months at least. When I reach the end of an album or playlist, if it isn't set to repeat, it'll automatically go to radio based on that album or playlist, but that's not annoying, and if I don't want it I can pause it and start playing something else, because I'm already done listening to the album or playlist.
Derik_D ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 16:02:26 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You can select on the free desktop app.
So it's just shoving the paid service to mobile users by annoying them. And that sucks.
polargus ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 16:11:47 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Iโd imagine most people only pay because of mobile features. The desktop web version is fully-featured. It basically serves as a demo for the mobile app, which is where most people want to listen to music. Theyโve gotta make money somehow you know.
i listen for a day or two on Spotify desktop (now web with adblock on) then programmatically download all of the songs I like using the Spotify playlist url I create, then I listen to those mp3s on my phone until I get tired of them and then do the whole thing over again. Spotify is only for song discovery, don't use it as a player.
You can't reorder playlists on mobile, even with Premium, AFAIK. You can with the desktop app.
quint21 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:17:04 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
This is the same strategy Hulu used. Watch to watch on your computer? It's free, go ahead. Want to watch on your TV, or on your tablet (ie. where most people want to watch TV shows)? Well, then you have to use the paid version. Try before you buy.
Even Hulu on PC is pay to watch now. Has been for years. That's why I quit using it. I barely watch "TV" shows anyway so paying for Hulu just to watch a 90 minute edited Raw every week was pointless to me. Most of anything else I watch can be seen on the network's website or with an antenna.
Derik_D ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:52:06 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
That doesn't make sense, don't people just connect from the pc with a cable? Guess that's why they removed it like the next poster said.
phphulk ยท 75 points ยท Posted at 16:06:54 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Then pay for it?
Derik_D ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:46:22 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Not worth it for me at the current price.
I have looked at it quite a few times but in the end I can't justify the cost. I would pay if I could get it at under 50โฌ a year. Haven't found a way to do it yet.
demacish ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 16:20:07 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You can select on the free desktop app.
So it's just shoving the paid service to mobile users by annoying them. And that sucks.
Most people listen to music on the phones. So it's smart business to have that as a feature for the premium members
Derik_D ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:49:34 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah I totally understand why they do it business wise. But providing different services according to platform is strange. I have even seen people saying the force shuffle doesn't exist on tablet, which is differences on the same android platform...
Derik_D ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:55:16 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yup option 2 for me. Get my music either from the free desktop version or from YouTube.
If the price was lower (under 50โฌ a year for me) I would buy it, but can justify it at current price.
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[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:38:07 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
don't bother whining here when they inevitably block your ability to use it for free...
You understand that they're trying to make money? If you could choose what to listen to on mobile on Spotify free, then the number of people paying for subscriptions would drop off a cliff, possibly to the point of making the business unviable.
Derik_D ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:00:45 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It's current economics but you don't have to agree with it
Stuff like mobile phones, clothes etc are costing more and more every year while production costs are surely going down with technological advances, and the difference isn't going to the workers wages.
I personally would rather not support that when I can.
What? Are you saying that Spotify is making enough money and that's a justification for not paying for it?
Derik_D ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:39:12 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
No. What I am saying is that if they can provide selection on desktop but only shuffle on mobile then they are providing different services according to platform and that's not fair.
What if they were doing that difference between IOS and android? Everyone would be furious.
Arguably, full access is far more valuable on mobile than on desktop, so it's perfectly understandable that they wouldn't want to make it available across all platforms.
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[deleted] ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 16:59:21 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I do pay for premium and there are still a lot of ui issues that prevent you from finding or playing what you want. You literally cannot play a song from an artist that isn't in their most popular without knowing want album it's on. Why cant you just see all songs by an artist?
mickmon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:52:44 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Not until they support the people actually creating their content.
okm14 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:52:44 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
in PC you can choose your music even without premium, donโt see why not do this in the mobile app too.
You can. Or at least I can. I'm on a tablet and using an old version of the app (because my tablet has too little space to update easily); I don't know if you can on a phone or with a newer version. But I can tap a song and it'll start there (usually shuffling afterward, but not always), and I can disable shuffle at any time if I want to. I can also view and edit the queue.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:45:00 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Though, OTOH, something being free doesn't make it immune from criticisms. For example, the volume of the ads being so much louder... if that can be backed up, as claims go, I'd say it is something that is reasonable to want fixed so the volume is more in line with everything else being played.
Me too very few things make me feel like a child anymore, but entering my Dad's email address on Netflix makes me feel like I'm telling them "Daddy said I could watch Mindhunters"
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Evilux ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:12:33 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Family plan gives you 5 shared accounts for $15 a month. It's full version. What I meant was spotify free is similar to Pandora since you can't choose exactly what you listen to. I was being a bit hyperbolic since it's still better than Pandora
Thatโs my biggest problem with ads - Iโd be listening to a playlist with music I picked then all the sudden a Spanish language pop song would come on, completely knocking me out of the zone
The thing is, i used to pirate music, and still pirate films and TV because they still havent gotten their act together to make an actually decent service.
Spotify made a damn good service with 99% of the music you could ever want to listen to years before anyone else and ive been a customer for nearly 8 years.
The problem with TV and Film is the publishers are all trying to get in on the same act and restricting content so you have to sign up to like 5 or 6 different things to get access to what you want. It's basically as if each record label decided to run its own Music streaming service and charge separately for each one, that would never have worked.
For games there is Steam though, which i have my issues with, but that is actually a good service that has, for me at least, beaten piracy.
Also for games you dont have to have them as a service, i've not really ever looked at them like that but paying individually for every single song or episode of TV that comes out would be such an unreasonable hassle.
Drayzen ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:59:26 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
That's your opinion, and you're wrong. They don't make a "heck of a lot of money" off it, because 2 million twats are subverting them, and the other 50% shit on their service because they feel entitled to listen to whatever they want.
Who_GNU ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:10:53 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The licensing fees they pay go up severalfold when you choose what to play. It's not Spotify's; the MPAA ensures that it's not feasible to have an ad supported platform that let's you choose what to listen to.
About your edit: is there any service delivering media to you for free, without the use of ads? Because I don't know any. What do you expect Spotify to do? Let me pay for your use? What kind of logic is "they're making money, I don't want to hear ads."? Id you think I would pay if I could get all the paid features for free without stealing from other users?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:27:42 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Last time I said that in the Dogfood post people downvoted me to death and my opinion was pretty much dismissed as shitpost. (because Reddit hides highly downvoted comments)
Why should someone pay for the option of choosing what song they want to play? I can get advertisements but locking normal functions behind a paywall is what made people download cracked versions of Spotify.
EDIT: I also want to say that these features are avaliable in the PC and tablet versions but not the mobile version. That's what really urks me.
TheKage ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 20:54:23 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Because it costs money to run Spotify so they want to incentivize people to pay for it. The fact that they let you listen to music at all for free should be considered a bonus.
There's better ways to do that. If it was just advertisements (reasonable ones at least), I'd probably use the app more and maybe even subscribe. But intentionally locking away features that are avaliable in the PC/tablet versions is pretty backwards.
TheKage ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 21:04:21 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Then don't use the app at all if you don't like the way they handle monetization. It doesnt justify stealing it.
I'm not stealing anything. If Spotify fails in being a good service but I can download an APK to turn it into a good service, why not? The corporation should be giving a good service in the first place.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:25:32 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Spotify doesn't owe you good service especially as you aren't paying in any way.
TheKage ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 21:53:22 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
If you pay for premium then they are giving you the exact same service you are getting when you download the apk. I don't see how they are failing to provide a good service by this logic. You are just skipping the paying part which is the definition of stealing.
So... what do you think of Spotify? A charity? The premium subscribers donators?
Spotify executives : Oh hey, so we're a company. Our primary goal is not to get profit!!!! Let's just give the same features for both free and premium users so we can give people a good service.
I can't see where you're getting this sense of entitlement.
On top of that, on the mobile version you can't choose which song you want to listen to yet on a tablet you can. That to me is a slap on the face wanting to force mobile users, who want to listen on the go, to buy premium.
Azerty__ ยท 72 points ยท Posted at 15:58:49 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Oh boy I wonder if the reason they cut options in free is because, and I know this might be hard to believe, they want you to fucking pay for premium.
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 16:52:55 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Nope, funding that should have gone to infrastructure just ends up in executive pockets instead. If we destroyed the spotify corporation we might be able to actually do what you are fumbling around with misdirected sarcasm about.
I think rather than taking away from free users, they should start focusing on the gains for subscribers. Functions I really wish I had with Premium would be to add my play history, another would be to stop deleting my Discover Weekly.
On my tablet, I can just disable shuffle after I start playing. Sometimes, when I start playing by tapping a specific song rather than the "shuffle play" button, it doesn't even start shuffling. Also, I can see and edit my queue, which is also a way to choose what songs you want to hear in what order.
I only have the tablet currently, so I don't know if you can use these features on a phone without Premium. Also, my Spotify app is way out of date because my tablet has so little space that I can't update easily, so maybe they've been removed in more recent versions. (Tablets also didn't used to have ads, but they do now.)
On desktop, shuffle has never been forced, IME.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:39:53 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The thing that made me pay in the end was the ad with the airhorn
oooskar ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:00:32 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I have premium but tbf I just put my playlist on shuffle mostly anyway
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:24:32 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
In the thread of Dogfood I was MASSIVELY downvoted by saying Shuffle was unfair.
I seriously don't get it.
I actually like shuffle play, but I strongly dislike advertising interrupting my music. At least it's only every 30 minutes if I "watch" the video. I don't use Spotify a lot, but if the ads were more often, I'd probably stop using Spotify altogether, because the service isn't worth $120/yr to me.
I have a sub for YouTube red but still use Vanced for the fact I can set the resolution to be 1080p as default for mobile and wifi. Am I missing something on the native app that lets me do that?
Seriously, that's the best thing ever. So lame that YouTube devs still haven't provided it for the official app.
Rediwed ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:34:42 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Since I have a 2:1 screen on my phone I have set my default red to 1440p on mobile, that way I can fill the screen (pinch to zoom) and not suffer reduced quality (at least in theory)!
Yup. I don't care about the network speed generally. I want it to play at least at 720 because you can quite easily notice the difference between 480 and anything higher. And the YouTube app for some reason always wants to play lower resolutions and can't figure out that my network speed easily supports more. Even on WiFi.
At some point it's also in YouTube's interest to save bandwidth, so I can see why they would like to discourage people from defaulting to higher quality streams. Ultimately this is a cost for them, that I would argue they should be able to control.
Of course, leaving this up to the client side is ultimately their fault, but it is still kinda shady that people using this app hit them with higher bandwidth costs and ad blocking, and probably feel perfectly justified because they need crisp video on their phones.
Sim__P ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 16:27:09 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Lol yeah. And that's not even the point here, the official YouTube app is so bad at handling buffering/resolutions
While that is true, you don't see a YouTube vanced steals ad profits and red features from Google post thread on here either.
tehbored ยท 32 points ยท Posted at 18:45:35 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I think Youtube just has a worse image than Spotify because they do so much questionable shit.
[deleted] ยท 42 points ยท Posted at 19:03:01 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Plus Spotify doesn't put ads in the middle of a song, like YouTube does with videos.
g0_west ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 20:48:47 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Also Spotify allows you to turn your damn screen off. 5 second ads don't bother me too much, but turning my phone into a brick while I'm listening to something does.
This argument doesn't hold water on a site with a voting system that pushes highly voted things to the top. You're more than likely to see the majority opinion almost all the time on reddit unless you specifically change the way content is delivered to you (sorting by new, etc).
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:30:35 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The differences are absurd between threads. It almost feels fake sometimes.
Don't do this because it's wrong but it's ok to do this other thing that is exactly the same because I say so.
Ad block plus and other similar things are widely suggested but there's some weird defense of spotify for some reason. If they block youtube ads then what's wrong with me blocking ads elsewhere? Spotify's deafening ads are ok but loud ads everywhere else are bad?
Another one is how badly Spotify pay artists yet we need to pay for spotify so artists get their fractions of a cent. "Spotify is bad for artists but don't block ads that give revenue mostly to Spotify"
You make your computer vulnerable by not blocking ads. Every side that builds ads onto their website, is using third-party containers they do not have any controller over. There are constantly security breaches/malware spreading attempts within those ad networks. https://www.engadget.com/2016/01/08/you-say-advertising-i-say-block-that-malware/
Also, you sacrifice a lot of 'privacy', since most ads reveal your browsing behaviour to third party companies, which sell that data.
If you're on mobile, ads cost you money, since you're usually on a data plan and ads cost you additional data + computing power, which makes loading sites slower and more battery intensive which ultimately kills your smartphone/tablet/notebook battery earlier.
So then again, why sould I NOT block ads? I pay services/websites I regulary use. Most of them have a fair subscription price, so there is ultimately no reason to sacrifice yourself to those big companies.
There's absolutely no reason to not block ads. People who say otherwise are either idiots or brainwashed into thinking they "owe" companies their personal information for some reason. (Or maybe they like getting malware and viruses).
If I can trust your site, and think it's worth it, you get whitelisted. Otherwise, not a chance in hell will I turn off my adblocker.
Another one is how badly Spotify pay artists yet we need to pay for spotify so artists get their fractions of a cent. "Spotify is bad for artists but don't block ads that give revenue mostly to Spotify"
This isnโt true and you can see Spotifyโs financials in their IPO filings. They are cash flow negative because nearly all of their revenue from ads and subscriptions goes to the labels.
Why not to the artists? Well the labels own the music. Spotify doesnโt pay the artists at all or even contract with them. They pay the owners of the music - the labels - who then pay the artists. And of course the labels donโt pay the artists very much at all, but have somehow conned people into thinking its Spotifyโs fault. As I posted elsewhere itโs as if people protested Walmart customers for not paying Walmart employees enough.
I think ad blocking is totally understandable but I also think Spotify and such are totally justified in blocking ways to do that, since they're offering a premium service for free. Nuance is nice.
fields ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:37:55 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It's the same in /r/jailbreak. They make up phony reasons for not allowing even the discussion of piracy whatsoever. I'm sorry but it's just silly and makes me want to spread Spotilife and all the other tweaks to get paid products for free.
Thatโs not really on Spotify. Artists signed to a label donโt own their music, and Spotify doesnโt sign any agreements with them. Instead Spotify money goes to the label and then the label gives a portion to the artist.
Complaining that Spotify underpays the artists is like complaining that Walmart customers arenโt paying Walmart employees enough.
I DO complain that Walmart doesn't pay it's workers enough. It leads to them being put on food stamps and stuff when Walmart should just pay a living wage. I also try not to shop there if at all possible (plus the stores suck anyway).
I also complain that artists get shafted by music labels and pretty much any service that pays them. Why can't I do that exactly? Because all you did is describe how artists are getting shafted, but not giving a reason I should be ok with it.
While that's nice, I feel like that's just in response to so many states passing minimum pay requirements of $10/hr or more. Plus with their practices of not giving full time to most employees, they may still end up on state assistance. Time will tell, I suppose.
You missed the point of the analogy. You shouldnโt be OK with artists getting shafted, but blaming Spotify gets you absolutely nowhere. Spotify canโt and are not allowed to decide how much artists get paid, any more than a customer at Walmart gets to decide how much Walmart pays their employees. Switching to another music service doesnโt help; the label still takes its cut first from Google, Apple, Amazon, etc.
And if someone claims that theyโre blocking ads on Spotify for the sake of artists, well thatโs just BS, because then instead of getting a little bit of money, the artists are getting no money at all.
What if I buy t-shirts and show tickets for artists I like and then steal the music from Spotify? They get WAY more money that way and I still don't have to listen to super loud, annoying ads in the middle of my music. That a good compromise?
Actually, I guess it doesn't matter in the end of all this. I'm definitely not going to start paying for Spotify (although I already pay for Google play music along with youtube red, so I'm paying evil music labels either way) and will probably keep torrenting music no matter what gets discussed here. And I assume you won't be changing your opinion on this subject, either.
Such is basically every discussion about music piracy. At this point it's kind of funny.
rinnagz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:10:09 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I don't mind those ads that pop on the page, the thing that gets me are those annoying pop ups, even so I stopped using ad block lately.
Thozel ยท 27 points ยท Posted at 15:14:55 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I use vanced because YouTube doesn't provide Red in most of the world. I'd love to pay a lil for background playback and no ads. They don't give me the option, so I find my own way.
Sim__P ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 16:24:06 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Same. Ads on YouTube are literally AIDS, and they are more and more intrusive. YouTube Red is not available in France, but I'd happily subscribe to it. I have a premium Spotify account as well because it's available here. Google doesn't get that the majority of its user base is not living in the US
Thozel ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 18:39:11 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Not really, no. Spotify is available in 65 countries around the globe (nearly every country with solid smartphone and internet access). YouTube Red is available in an impressive grand total of five countries.
Znuff ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:07:03 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Spotify just extended their services recently to a few more countries.
This includes Romania. They did it with a reduced catalogue (compared to GPM and Spotify from other countries) and for some reasons without a family type subscription.
This. Spotify is almost everywhere, meanwhile with YouTube you either live in one of the 5 countries they support or you are sol and have to deal with limited stock YouTube (as in, no pip, no background playback and no screen off playback).
Also Spotify is dirt cheap, you can have a shared subscription and end up paying something like 3โฌ/month.
Znuff ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:07:48 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Family sub is not available in all the (New) New countries they just extended to.
I use Spotify free on Desktop but I'm in India and they don't actually provide their services here. BUT the ads bug out and don't show up. Wonder if I'm in the 2 mill as well. Probably am.
I subscribed for GPM when it first came out after using it to upload some music for a bit, and when 'youtube music' happened (which turned into youtube red) I got no ads in youtube just for having GPM.
Probably because Youtube started out as a completely free service and then they restricted certain features to a paid subscription, while Spotify started out with a subscription fee out of the gate. That being said, I don't think this is a good justification and don't support either of these.
Hm. As a non US-Citizen you can't get past YT ads, since YT Red is US exclusiv.
Also, YouTube is owned by google, a multi billion company, basically too big too fail anyways. Spotify has a lot of users sure, but they don't make any profit and their place actually isn't that secure (Literally any company is jumping on music streaming). So I see a difference here.
2 mil in relation to 171 may not be that much, still 2 million users would be > 19.000.000$ per month, considering most of them propably have a single subscription for themselves, not spotify family.
Edit: Actually my argument is considering the users would instead pay for spotify, instead of suppressing ads. Which is propably unlikely, but I don't have data on how much revenue Spotify makes per free user.
Sim__P ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 16:25:51 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Found the guy missing a pet
Clayh5 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:50:28 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Nobody gives a shit about people who block ads on free Spotify. We rag on the people who whine about Spotify blocking features for free users as if they're entitled to unlimited free music.
Drayzen ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 21:01:09 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I see that you like to steal, and then talk about people being hypocrites, as if stealing is better.
Don't throw stones when you live in a glass fucking house.
Eh, not so much. Only the megathread for the dogfood dibacle. That image was posted there at the time, and it makes a lot of sense. Rustles jimmies here on the regular.
I have a Google Music (AND Spotify Premium) subscription. Other countries get youtube Red and with that most importantly for me they get the ability to play youtube videos with the screen off.
I already pay for that, but they won't make it available. They can fuck off.
On my case I would gladly pay for youtube Red, but since Google won't offer that in my country I use YouTube Vanced to get PiP mode on YouTube. I pay for Spotify premium since it has everything I need and the service is great. On most places outside of the US is because you CAN'T get services even if you want to pay for them. For example, any Hulu or Amazon prime series I have to torrent since they're not available in my country.
Look up vanced on Google click the first link and read up on the xda post. And for a good Spotify apk check out forum dot mobilism dot org and scroll down till you see top apps and click the latest spotify (not the first one)
Well it's been an ongoing meme that they hate Spotify cracks (look at this post) while fully supporting YouTube vanced which gives you red features for free.
byIcee ยท 1000 points ยท Posted at 14:10:18 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I think a lot of people just can't use Spotify in their country (like me) so they resort to modded apk's in order to sign in.
I even tried to pay for it but you need a PayPal account that was made in the country you chose for your Spotify account
So basically the same group of people that has a stranglehold on physical music has one on digital music too and causes thier own problems. Wow who would have thought.
There is more to it I'm sure. No executive is going to say "I do not want more money for something that is already fully produced." Either there is a different competing service in the other country that pays better, or government is getting in the way, something.
Yeah. It's probably also the reason why Apple Music's catalogue is actually better imo than Spotify's. Bollywood, for example, is a bit hit-or-miss on Spotify, while on Apple Music it is mostly correct, with album art and everything. Obviously Apple had to do that because you can't release in India without having the latest Bollywood stuff streaming, but it is a major reason why I would have loved to use AM if their Android app weren't so bad.
Thatโs subjective though. I canโt stand Bollywood so itโs irrelevant for me and Spotify has a way better Drum & Bass catalogue, so to me Spotify is the better app. Itโs about what you listen to but Spotify kills Apple when it comes to recommendations!
I guess. Spotify, to me, is the better app simply because their Android app is actually competently made, like they actually cared about their Android customers. But IMO Apple does have the better catalogue - not just Bollywood, but also stuff like Jay-Z, someone who I listen to a lot e.g. isn't on Spotify because reasons.
I do concede Spotify's recommendations are better 100%
OT, obviously, but why can't you stand Bollywood? I get that you may be unfamiliar with it if you're not desi, or indifferent towards it, but why do you hate it?
Iโm from England originally, lived in London for a long time, so have heard it a lot and just really dislike it. The autotuned type voices with the piercing flute/horn sounds, high pitched strings and similar drum beats just isnโt my thing at all. Itโs up there with happy hardcore or death metal as something I would need to turn off immediately. I know people that feel the same about DnB though, different strokes for different folks.
Edit - just to add, Iโm sure there are different subgenres and Iโve heard some I didnโt mind at all, but the more common tracks I heard I didnโt like. If you have any suggestion that could change my mind let me know. A track for you if youโre curious about my DnB taste is โBcee - Is anybody out thereโ
I know what you mean - Bollywood is almost separated into soulful music (something like this or this or this, stuff most of my non-desi friends say is somewhat soothing), dance-y stuff like this or especially this which is probably what you dislike (and I don't blame you because it is both extremely abrasive to people who aren't used to it and played a lot at parties etc where you're likely to hear it more often and very loudly). Admittedly, there's a lot of other stuff (considering Bollywood music is probably the plurality, if not majority, of popular music from India, and also generally envelops stuff that isn't strictly film stuff), but I'm not a very good desi lol so I don't listen to Bollywood as much, but there's a lot of stuff that is good. If you are interested, I could whip up a half-decent Bollywood playlist after class.
Sadly there's a lot of autotune, and it's there a lot, but ยฏ\_(ใ)_/ยฏ (and lmao I hope to never have to introduce any foreigner to Bhojpuri stuff, by which I mean I kinda do just to see their face).
rishi71 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:25:00 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I know the feel bro. Bhojpuri lyrics and autotune is on another level ๐
If stupid license holders aren't going to let me buy their content for a reasonable price then I'll just pirate it. I wish torrenting and platforms built on top of it would become more popular, then maybe we'd see some better availability for licenses across media.
fonikz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:45:26 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
What's the difference? Money is money and they're missing out on it regardless of the country the person lives in. There's infinite reasons to pirate music and only one to be legit: you truly wish to support the artist and distributor.
spotify hasn't done jack to become a record label.
I doubt they haven't looked into it. The industry has a stranglehold on the content and I wouldn't be surprised if they did this they'd drop them as a service.
Netflix can live without some movies and TV shows. People are hungry for new content on video streaming services. That's not the same for Spotify. Most people listen to their favourite music and only go music discovering when they get bored with it.
Lewke ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 08:42:38 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
So what you're saying is that Netflix wasn't a bunch of idiots who bought bulk licenses that are easily dropped. Gotcha.
I mean in a way they kinda are anyone can get their music put on spotify and get royaltys from plays something like .006 cents per play at the lowest end
Lewke ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:19:51 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
netflix cultivates content though, spotify is just being a distributor, not a label.
Not sure if you were just making a joke but I feel like it should be pointed out that its not the currency that is the issue, nor the location. Its copyright and media sharing laws. So don't get mad at Spotify, they would be sued if they let you use it. Get mad at those who don't allow their content to be worldwide.
I can't use Spotify USA from my country due that, BUT SPOTIFY EXISTS IN MY COU TRY AND PEOPLE USES IT LIKE MAIN STREAMING APP
But why I can't pay my local service with the credit card I use to pay other stuff in my country, don't they own the rights to use it? Don't they own the right of allow PayPal as payment method even if it uses the same currency? There's something wrong with that excuse
It doesn't matter what payment types they allow. If they knowingly allow someone in a country where they don't own the media rights to use their service they will be sued.
Did I say somewhere that Spotify is not available in my country?
DvnEm ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 19:12:57 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Youโre bringing up something that deters from the original question.
Spotify ITSELF isnโt available in some countries (most likely due to Licensing and copyright reasons), so people use modded APKs and that fucks up their stats (possibly 30% of that 2 million canโt even access it in their countries)
Youโre asking why you canโt use forms of payment to pay for the service in your specific country. To answer your question, maybe fees? Who knows.
Chipotle didnโt accept a debit cards for YEARS in Ontario, Canada. It was Cash or Credit only. Most likely fees as most things are.
Then if I legitimately want to pay for the service even when I really want, why should they care if I pirate the ads, although I had to sadly chose play music
DvnEm ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:53:00 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Artist 1 tells his distributor not sell their work to anyone named Donald.
Donald wants to buy Artist 1โs work, but heโs not allowed.
Donald steals Artist 1โs painting.
The distributor is now losing money because Donald stole the painting AND now Artist 1 is pissed because the distributor basically โallowedโ this to happen
Artist 1 now decides to charge the distributor more money for the losses.
The distributor needs to now increase their service fees or get more clients.
Donald doesnโt understand agreements, licensing or contracts. He feels entitled.
If I'm paying from Argentina they tell me " this card has been issued from UK, wanna change your country?" In that case they can, I think it's something related to fees
Blame big media companies for clinging to ancient licensing and IP laws.
We could have all the world's music a click away, but no. Gotta keep up those artificial limitations that only benefit the companies, never music fans.
You can make a mule PayPal account with an address from the country whose Spotify you want to pay for, transfer money into it from your main account and use a VPN just to set the Spotify account up in your browser. Then you can use Spotify without a VPN, forever, as long as you remember to transfer money into the dummy account every month.
I recommend using Canada (same price as US but in canadian dollars which are worth less) and a 15$ family account that you can then use to give Spotify to another 5 friends.
I wouldn't mind the ads but the shuffle only for free users made me choose the mod.
Also I live in a country without Spotify. I used the original free account with VPN but the shuffle made me chose the mod version.
I think what we'll see first is them dropping the free tier entirely. There is no way they'll be able to compete with Apple Music if they raise the price. They are already bleeding iOS users to the stock music service provider : ie Apple Music
I think what we'll see first is them dropping the free tier entirely
I hope they do - Unles they change their contracts to share out the royalties per user. As a premium subscriber it disappoints me that hardly any of my $14 a month goes to the artists I listen to - instead it goes to artists that people on a free plan listen to.
Don't worry, very little of that $14 actually goes to musicians.
mschley2 ยท 55 points ยท Posted at 19:16:15 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Meh... If Spotify pays out the $0.006/song that I've seen other places, then all of the $2.50 I pay per month ($15 family plan with 6 users) goes to artists, and quite a bit more.
The breakeven at those rates is only about 28 hours of music, and I blow past that in the average month.
raptir1 ยท 57 points ยท Posted at 20:02:28 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Most of it goes to record execs.
Raminios ยท 35 points ยท Posted at 21:22:57 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Is that not the case with the vast majority of media providers though? Unless you're buying direct on indie sites or cds at gigs that is.
raptir1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:12:37 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, I was just explaining what I thought avataraccount meant.
What a bizarre thing to be disappointed about. You aren't buying an album from an artist. You're buying a service from Spotify. Spotify pays their bills.
Are you disappointed when they pay their plumber? Or the rent on their offices?
If you want to buy an album from an artist, go do it. No one is stopping you from giving them money. It kinda seems like you feel guilty that you don't, and you're trying to blame someone else for it.
It's a fair cop - I went from buying 10 albums a month on CD to zero and a Spotify subscription. I can't really justify CDs any more. I guess that money I saved partly goes to gigs tickets now, but it's noticeable how much more concert tickets cost in last 5 years.
Isaac331 ยท -8 points ยท Posted at 19:46:29 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
He is trying to be feel righteous, pay for a concert, pay for a disc, meanwhile i'll be using my modded version of spotify.
If you want your artists to get money, buy their albums and merch. There's a very simple solution to the problem you just described, and it existed before Spotify decided to kill the income of anyone less popular than Ed Sheeran.
Well, the artists you listen to are partly paid with money from ads for the free users.
But I suspect not enough to compensate...
NVRLand ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:01:23 on March 26, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
A huge part of Spotify is the belief that it's more effective to attract free users and then turn them into premium rather than only offering premium accounts. They might further limit the free accounts however.
Same, I'm paying for myself and my friends on our family plan, not for millions of fuckers to suppress ads. It's been long enough, people know what Spotify is and what they have. Pay for it or fuck off is my opinion. We've been given a way to avoid piracy, so let's do it?
0rAX0 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 19:21:05 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
That would be a nightmare for me as I'm using Spotify in an unsuported country, I tried paying for premium but it wouldn't let me, if they move to a subscription-only model without openning up to the rest of us it would be stupid, at least I try to help with not blocking their ads when it applies.
You aren't supposed to be able to access it at all, so why do you expect them to let you continue accessing it? The reason your country is unsupported isn't that Spotify doesn't want to receive money from you; it's that Spotify isn't allowed to allow you to hear music.
0rAX0 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 21:17:33 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not expecting them to do anything, it's just that Spotify is convenient for me and I want to support it and the artists I listen to, if they don't want that (anymore) there are a million ways to get what I want.
[deleted] ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 18:48:17 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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joshdts ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 19:18:09 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Iโve been crafting a digital music library since Napster and with Apple Music it seamlessly syncs to my phone/iPad/laptop/Apple TV. I tried a month of Spotify and adding things to my library there maxed me out by the time I hit F going alphabetically.
Yes, Spotify has better playlists and discover features, by having my library was the most important.
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 19:28:23 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Google music has no limit at all, and for free you can upload 50k songs too. I much prefer Spotify's playlist abilities though, and their app. UI.
joshdts ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 19:36:24 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah. I think its 10k for how many songs you can save to โYour Musicโ. So if youโre adding full albums that adds up pretty quick. Apple Music is 100k.
You can download for offline listening on Spotify.
pudds ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 20:30:26 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The same, but don't undersell the cross-platform element either. My wife and I can both use Spotify under one family account even though she has iOS and I have Android, and we can also listen on our Fire TV.
I like the playlists, I like several programs on Beats1, I don't really care about the social aspects of Spotify, I like the UI compared with Spotify, I like that it works with Siri on my phone and my Apple TV. You probably get the sense that I'm very much connected to the Apple ecosystem, which is true, and which definitely plays a part. I'd probably feel differently if I were Alexa on a daily basis instead.
I have only used iTunes with a local library, so I don't know if this is also true of Apple Music, but iTunes is vastly superior to Spotify in terms of features. Smart playlists, editing song info, rating songs with stars (even half-stars if you use the hidden setting), Genius (though Spotify has similar features), etc. The only thing I was unhappy with was that they removed iTunes DJ (formerly known as Party Shuffle).
This is pretty misleading. Yes, you can rip a CD to iTunes and convert it to Apple Lossless (ALAC), but music downloaded straight from the iTunes store is only 256Kbps AAC.
The scale of bitrate to sound quality is not linear. The difference between 320 and lossless is very difficult to hear on most tracks, even with high quality audio equipment. If you think otherwise you're just fooling yourself. There are plenty of tests online where you can try to hear the difference.
My shuffle feature on my mobile app (free) has gone from rotating ~50 of my 600 song playlist to rotating 5 in the last week or so. It's infuriating. I've stopped using Spotify. I don't skip ads.
Rivus ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:49:19 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I see people complaining a lot about the free tier. My question is, if you use it often enough for it to become a nuisance, why don't you just buy it?
Idk what the prices are in your country, but I'm paying 9.99 euros. Which is 6 coffees roughly.
Yeah i use Google music on the phone. And even on the echo just Amazon prime gets you ad free music. I know it's not the same as their full featured subscription service but for the echo I don't really care
I donโt really think thatโs true. Spotify has a much better user experience than Apple Music despite the Siri integration. Everyone I know on iOS uses Spotify, not Apple Music.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:19:38 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I wouldn't be surprised if Spotify is bought by another company if the licences are transferrable. Maybe Netflix buying them out, offering a combo deal with Spotify and Netflix, heck and maybe sponsor 'original content' for Spotify so then musicians can avoid the current music structure entirely so then both Spotify and the artist get a better cut of the revenue with the record companies getting nothing.
Nah, you can thank you and your friends for blocking ads on Spotify
Except I don't have Spotify Free; I have Spotify Premium, and have had it for a decade (I had it before you even had heard about Spotify). And even if I did, you have no reason to assume I'm blocking ads...seriously, what is your problem?
The fact of the matter is that Apple secretly met with recording companies and tried to persuade them to disallow free subscription for music services; purposefully to damage Spotify. They even asked for higher royalties for artists; they know that even if they have a minus profit, they can make up for it by everything else they earn money on. But Spotify, whose entire business is based on music streaming, can't. So they are trying to bleed them dry.
Then there's the fact that Spotify has to pay Apple 30% royalties, whenever somebody renews Spoify subscription in-app on iOS --which forces Spotify to put a $13 price tag for those people, instead of $9.99. This gives Apple Music and uneven and unfair upperhand over everybody else.
Then there's the fact that Spotify has to pay Apple 30% royalties, whenever somebody renews Spoify subscription in-app on iOS --which forces Spotify to put a $13 price tag for those people, instead of $9.99. This gives Apple Music and uneven and unfair upperhand over everybody else.
Could Spotify sue Apple for anti-competitive practices? (That would really mess up Apple's "we take a cut of all purchases" thing, but the court won't care about that.) This reminds me of when Europe made Microsoft stop bundling only Internet Explorer with Windows.
Could Spotify sue Apple for anti-competitive practices? (That would really mess up Apple's "we take a cut of all purchases" thing, but the court won't care about that.)
They have in Europe. Currently it's under investigation.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:14:20 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Do you think people have Apple Music more than Spotify because iPhone directly implement such a music service on their phone vs. finding it on the App Store? I feel adults who arenโt as tech savvy just fall into that trap. I had both apps and despised Apple Music a lot more than Spotify.
[deleted] ยท 1039 points ยท Posted at 14:01:54 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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Mako_ ยท 1844 points ยท Posted at 14:47:49 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I may listen to 30 different albums/lists in a month using Spotify. No way I'm buying all those CDs and ripping them. People pay $10 a month for the convenience.
I've had Spotify premium for five years almost. I don't think the money I've paid for those five years of subscriptions would cover the cost of the music I currently have offline, much less everything in my library. And it's a hell of a lot easier than pirating. Plus, the weekly discovery playlist and new releases page constantly have me adding songs to my playlists. I really wouldn't look for new music without it.
sludj ยท 424 points ยท Posted at 15:55:29 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Same. And as an artist who just got on Spotify, thank you. They pay us pennies, but I've found so much new music through the app. Monthly cost is more than worth it.
TijM ยท 199 points ยท Posted at 16:22:05 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
If the post gets you down, remember I now find artists on Spotify the way I used to find them on YouTube or the pirate bay. I'm not big on buying albums as I only really play them on my phone but if an artist I like is playing close by I'll go. Spotify even tells me when some artists come visit, though I'm not sure if this works for smaller artists. It might also just be that the artists I like tend not to visit around here all that often or are dead.
Andrei56 ยท 53 points ยท Posted at 16:44:38 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Well for me spotify sends me notifications to tell me that an artist i enjoy is playing near by. In Paris. I live 400km away from Paris. This annoys me every time now.
Having moved from Paris to the US, the sense of distance (and the density of concerts, sadly) here is very different - people outside of the 10 biggest cities are definitely going to have to drive more than 400km to go to some concerts!
As Spotify is probably tailored to North America, it makes sense that it would alert you then
IIRC some rural highways literally don't have a posted speed limit...
edit: was a bit off, but considering I was recalling info from a 5th grade assignment I'm gonna let it slide lol. Here's what google had to say.
Portions of the Idaho, Montana, Nevada, South Dakota, Texas, Utah, and Wyoming road networks have 80 mph (129 km/h) posted limits. The highest posted speed limit in the entire country can be found on the Texas State Highway 130, and it is 85 mph
Toadxx ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 19:07:14 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Americans generally have a more normalized view of long driving distances compared to Europeans. We can drive a few hours and never leave our state- you can cross multiple countries in Europe in the same time.
Oh I know! And I don't blame you one bit. It always just throws me off a bit. I could drive 800km and still be in the same stateโฆ and I'm not even in a very large state!
Pretty sure it should work for any artists, even if theyโre smaller, but it really only looks in your city and not even other cities that are just a couple of hours away.
Does it take smaller venues into consideration at all? Some artists I like might not play the popular venues when passing through town and I've missed seeing a few because the venues simply weren't on my radar
PharmKB ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 18:56:52 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You ever tried Bandsintown? I missed a ton of shows at smaller venues before I followed the bands I like on there. I've gotten in on some presales for cheaper tickets, too.
The only reason I moved from Spotify to Tidal was because Tidal actually streams lossless. I spent a good chunk of change on my sound system & my headphones and I want the best streaming quality.
However, Tidal's apps are terrible. I love that they offered actual masters on their website, but their software is basically unusable.
I wish Spotify/Google Music offered 'lossless.' I know Spotify "has plans to offer it at some point," but I"m not holding my breath.
I almost exclusively listen to music on Spotify, but I buy digital albums from artists I like (and subscribe through Patreon for a few). I never even download the music, I just by to support them beyond what they get from Spotify.
Spotify is actually how I learned about Sabaton coming to my town so I jumped at the chance to go see them in person. I like music but I couldnt afford to buy every CD I might want to listen to a few songs on plus my taste change rapidy in what I want to listen to at any time. Any bands I continiously go back to I often will buy their music simply because I want it on my phone and PC without having to worry about Spotify losing their deal with them or me not subscribing for a bit. Netflix is the same way for me, if I really like something I am going to go buy it, like Always Sunny in Philadelphia which was pulled from Netflix. Luckily it is still on Hulu which I also have but I can watch the show literally anywhere, Internet availability be damned because I have the DVDs.
If this post gets you in high spirits remember we are on r/spotify. We are in the golden age of mass playlist youtube>mp3/mp4 rippers, torrents, .iso files, transfers entire itunes library from friend to friend, uploading iphone's music from phone to pc. Fuck paying for music
TijM ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:13:56 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
We're not, though. Also I don't really mind paying for music, but I'd like to pay the artist instead of some old dudes in suits.
The good thing for you is that spotify can get people to notice you and then see you live. There are numerous bands I never would have seen in concert without spotify.
Oddly enough, I had a dream recently where Spotify ceased to exist all of a sudden and it wasn't until that dream that I fully appreciated Spotify. The daily mixes really are amazing and my playlists are pretty rad. I would be so bummed without it.
Edit: grammar
Nougat ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 16:06:03 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I had a dream recently that I was banging Alison Brie, which was nice.
I sadly hate the daily mixes, all the songs they group together are too close in sound. I need the variety or it starts to become annoying :(
If i could merge all the daily lists into one superlist that would be pretty cool.
Agreed. But it's better than it used to be and I can only imagine that it will keep progressing. It's still a pretty new feature relatively speaking so I'm sure they'll work it out.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:52:13 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I mean going to a streaming service would be easier than pirating, But I do feel like Pirating is much, much easier, than acquiring the disc ripping it, and making sure it's in a proper format for your audioplayer of choice.
Spotify premium is the only way to go. I used to have Sirius and thought it was great. Except I only listened to what channels and it was what they were playing not really what I wanted to hear.
I love the fact that Spotify builds yoy playlists that are actually good too
You don't really have any music offline, You have all those encrypyed files that'll be completely useless in the case of Spotify going under/changing how they operate/removing songs from their platform/you cancelling for any reason?
I agree Spotify is amazing value, but there's something to be said for actually owning the media.
SERIOUSLY! SPOTIFY IS THE SMARTEST MUSIC APP AVAILABLE!
everything you said is true! There's absolutely no reason not to pay for Spotify if you listen to music on daily basis.
cbabbx ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:25:02 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Spotify is the reason I stopped pirating music. I got around 60gb of music and uploaded it all to Google's music service. I eventually got tired of having to wait for a decent copy of the song (lots of low bitrate rips falsely 320) and then having to upload them. Not worth the hassle. $10 a month for a long the music you want.
While Google's service works on my home, phone, Chromecast and computer, it deosnt work on the PS4 while gaming. Spotify has an app on the PS4 where I can listen to my preferred music instead.
I've tried Google's subscription. While YT Red + Music for $10 is a great deal, the algorithms for music Discovery suck and the UI is bad. If Spotify ever does fail, Google would need to out a whole lot of effort into their music service.
Makes sense unless you want to own the music. You stop paying, that music is gone.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:22:19 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You must be me, because that's exactly how I feel. I left pirating behind because Spotify did an even better job. The only downside is not being able to get the occasional song, such as from SoundCloud.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:57:15 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Not only do I learn about new artists but Spotify lets me know when there are shows in my area so I can support them that way.
Ive paid for 5 years, I really dont listen to THAT much but its convenience to listen to new stuff. The suggested songs at the end of a playlist are also pretty good suggestions now which I like. Spotify is a great product and offer and so cheap its a no brainer. Im someone who doesnt pay for netflicks so probably a harder consumer to convert to a sale. I paid because I was sick of ads.
I honestly thought I was in the minority and probably am with owning a GPM sub over Spotify but it has just about everything I could get from Spotify with the Red treatment so I've been a loyal subscriber for years.
Oddly enough I have both and I describe google music as spotify without the soul. Sure it is technically all there and even has some extra capabilities, but their playlists are hot garbage compared to spotify. It sounds corny, but you really don't experience music in the same way. I discover way more music on spotify even though I use Google music way more. (Spotify is blocked at my office). The yt red is amazing though. And the integration with all my google apps and my android is nice.
I use radio all the time. It just isn't as good imo. But you do have a point in that people utilize these apps in different ways and therefore will have different experiences.
My problem with the station portion of Google Music is that I download it when I'm at home on Wi-Fi to save bandwidth. So I find a station that I like & download it. Then I listen to the downloaded station at work & it's only like 25-30 songs randomized. I get home & then it automatically updates that station, so I think, "great...I'll get more songs that I'll like added to that station." Nope it's just 25-30 different songs, the ones I listened to yesterday are gone.
yeah that's dumb but i can actually help with that.
use the website to play a station (might also work with mobile haven't checked), open the play queue and scroll down to the bottom, play the last track in the queue. it'll queue up another 25
repeat that 10 times or so and have a play queue of 200-300 tracks. hit save and you'll have a playlist saved that you can download, with all those tracks
RTaynn ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:00:00 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It's a radio station, imagine it's an AM FM station. GPM only queues about 30 songs at a time so you can skip or go back or save a song you liked. If you download the queue at any time you can always access it.
You're right. I used to have Spotify but switched to GPM because the shuffle feature on Spotify is absolute trash (had the same song off the same album play 3 times in a row when shuffling the entire catalog of a band that's been making music for over 30 years once). GPMs suggestions are atrocious. 99% of the "recommended new releases" are for genres I don't listen to.
"I see you listened to half a song from one random artist out of curiosity....looks like you'll want to see nothing but their similar artists showing up for the next 8 months"
I'm not sure whats more frustrating: GPMs suggestions, or Spotifys shuffle problems.
Frankly, I haven't really found many new artists since switching to GPM, but when I was on Spotify my library grew exponentially. I'm actually seriously considering switching back to Spotify tbh.
YT Red is incredible though and is probably the only thing really keeping me on GPM
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:39:23 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
What does YouTube Red do?
I know it gets rid of ads, but adblock already does that. Is that it?
-Qin- ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 19:58:19 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You get access to exclusive YT Red shows (useless) and you can close the app/turn off your screen and it'll keep playing on mobile. You can also download YouTube videos on mobile to play offline.
I'm sure there are a few more things, but those are the ones that stand out the most to me.
You can download to watch on the go and you can play music videos in the background on your phone. It also pays creators. The no ads is amazing for an office setting since I am not allowed any plugins.
ceeceea ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:57:48 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
For me, it's useful because I tend to watch Youtube on my TV via my Chromecast, and adblockers don't work with that. Also, I like that it pays all the people I watch, not just the ones the ad companies like.
I've had GPM ever since it first came out. Switched from Spotify after seeing how they kept screwing over Android users by giving iOS users all the new features first.
hsilman ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:03:33 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I love GPM. Also, for edification, they supposedly pay the most to artists for streaming, and audiophiles agree that they are one of the highest quality services(makes a bit of difference with my nice headphones, but I'm not really all about that anyway)
Iustis ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:40:34 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I used to have it, but switched for the student spotify/hulu subscription. Once that runs out I'll switch back to GPM.
A big plus to that is finally Hulu will take my money and let me pay $4 more for ad-free (they don't let you upgrade the student deal).
I'm kinda shocked that I don't see Google advertising more that Google music comes with YouTube red.
Like I wanted YouTube red but never could justify the price. But as soon as I realized it came with Google music which is roughly the same price as Spotify I didn't even hesitate to switch. Spotify can't compete with that.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:46:03 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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frohb ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:20:57 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The GPM client is embarrassing in how feature-less it is. As a subscriber, it really makes me angry. You can't even put podcasts in a playlist. Just pathetic.
The longer you have a Spotify subscription, the less cost effective it is. That first month you're paying 10 bucks to stream $150 worth of CDs. But what about in a year? 2 years? You're paying to listen to the same stuff that you could have bought outright for cheaper, all while spending money on data.
[deleted] ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 19:44:18 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
But I listen to new stuff weekly. Even at one new album a month I'm winning, and pre-piracy days I'd have bought a lot more than one album a month.
That's true if you never listen to new music. I'd spend way more than $20/mo on CDs back in the day. Subscribing to GPM is saving me lots of cash over the long term.
I was just having this very thought. But you are paying for the ease of it. I use it pretty much everyday at work and walks sometimes at home. I probably add like 3 songs or more a week on average usually from different albums so. You figure a buck per song equals like 15$ a month so I'm saving five bucks per month if I'm going legal route.
If I find one new album a month, it pays for itself. I usually find 4 or 5 a week, though. Thereโs so much music out there, and the recommendation algorithms are mostly on point. Yes, I have my mainstays, but even then I would have to have the subscription for a decade before it equaled paying for those albums individually.
I prefer the experience of an album as a whole piece of art. That doesnโt necessarily apply to every genre or artist obviously, but if i only like one or two songs by an artist or off an album, youโre right that I likely wonโt be buying it (or the individual songs for that matter).
So, yup. I find multiple new albums that I like on a very regular basis, but I spend 10 hrs a day listening to music at work plus more at home . I can see how somebody whoโs more passive wouldnโt see the value in the service that I do, and thatโs totally fine.
IthiQQ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:45:17 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I've had spotify since 2011 and my library still grows linearly. Spotify has plenty of features for discovery, which keeps it interesting, and human nature ensures the desire for a fresh sound.
OK_Soda ยท 41 points ยท Posted at 15:52:48 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Even if CDs were free, I'd still pay for Spotify. I remember what it was like having to rip CDs and transfer them to an iPod or phone, which had to be constantly upgraded to carry more and more files, and had to be constantly charged if I wanted to listen to them anywhere other than my home computer.
I understand the point you are trying to make, and you do have a valid point. However thats not the situation i am describing as all my songs are already on my harddrive.
That works fine if you have every song you're ever going to want to listen to already on your hard drive. I stopped buying and downloading (pirating) music once I started paying for Google Play Music. The other advantage is you can get new music onto your phone from anywhere, you don't have to be at home where your files are.
Even so, saving a playlist on Spotify is just a couple of taps. Doing what you describe requires me to interact with my computer, and plug in or transfer files from it to my phone. Just more stuff that becomes a pain in the ass when you listen to a lot of new music everyday.
OK_Soda ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:56:49 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Once I get to work I can just use Spotify on my computer. Back in the day, if I wanted to listen to music at work, I had to load everything on my iPod and listen through that. I guess nowadays you can sync things on Google Music or Dropbox or something, but Google Music sucks and why pay for extra storage in Dropbox when I can just pay for Spotify?
Yeah i cant deny the desktop client is pretty handy for situations like that. Plus by copy and pasting a couple lines, you can get rid of ads on desktop as well.
SiriusC ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:52:16 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It's not this complicated. Most Android phones have expandable memory. I've kept my music on the same microSD card for 2-3 years now. Then Amazon has an auto-rip feature that I like. And I actually kind of like the process of ripping & uploading. I'm curating art, in a way.
Also, you can always just stream your collection on Google Play for free. Though I've done that less & less due to the constant solicitation to purchase premium.
I feel the same way. I pirated music before Spotify came out.
Spotify combines a great mobile app, a huge library, music recommendations and concert notifications. I haven't found an alternative that does even 1 of those things better.
Although google play music is nice because you get youtube red for free.
I love Spotify, but being limited for no damn reason as a premium/paying user to 3.3k offline songs on my device and 10k songs total in the library is super annoying. Absolutely no reason for that, and I wish they were like Google music and let me have however many I damn well please saved to my music or downloaded to my device.
It's convince. You can transfer everything to an iPod, depending on how much music you have that can take forever, plus you still need to make playlists, which in iTunes can suck because it's not intuitive.
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[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:08:04 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I already have a music library that I built up over about 20 years, but organising it or expanding it further with music I don't already own takes more money, and time I could spend doing other things. Perhaps you have more free time than me.
It is trivially easy to save music from Spotify onto my phone in case of losing signal - easier than copying it from a computer onto an iPod, in fact.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:21:40 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Jeez, I didn't say it was hard, I said saving songs on Spotify is easier. To get new music onto my phone from Spotify, I don't need to:
Switch on my laptop, wait for windows to load, wait for iTunes to load, find and select the songs I want, plug in a USB cable, wait for iPod to connect to iTunes, wait while the songs transfer, click to disconnect, wait for it to be safe to disconnect, unplug the cable, then close iTunes and switch off my laptop. I do not miss this process at all!
I recently learned that amazon music exists, I have prime so am going to look into it.
Not tried pandora yet, is there an app? Never listen to music at home really
Reus958 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:44:41 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, that's what I listen to for the most part. It's pretty good at finding related songs for you, but you can't make playlists with a free account.
Yup, I've had spotify premium since 2012 and don't regret it one bit. That would equate to ~$720 spent. Google says that the average CD costs about $17. That means I have enough for 42 albums. I have double that saved on Spotify, and that's not counting all the playlists I make and follow.
Music is such a big part of our lives that I find it crazy not to invest 33 cents a day for a platform that puts everything in one place. I'm not going back to my teen years on BitTorrent/Limewire and waiting ages to download and sort/rename all my music..
Personally I get the CD and digital from places like Amazon. I can stream and also use the CD with my nice stereo. I'm not into all that warm tubes and $1000 cables BS, but CDs can sound nicer than streamed audio.
iTunes was a godsend for anti-piracy. Not over price, or library, or smart licensing.
It was just easier than peer-to-peer.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:38:48 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I can spend more on records in a week than I would spend for Spotify in six months and be totally fine, the real kicker is how difficult it is becoming to manage a library and maintain my sanity.
My listening habits have changed a lot since the days when I used to buy CDs, or even when it took a while to download an album.
Now I rarely listen to the same thing repeatedly.
I used to really get to know albums, and now I feel I'm just vaguely familiar with them.
Although, I probably don't listen to music as much as when I was in my teens.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:57:55 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I follow a couple of curated playlists. The music in them changes pretty frequently, which means Iโm constantly finding new stuff in quirky genres that donโt get airplay on the radio or show up in shops unless youโre lucky. I gladly pay $10 for this service.
jonmlm ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:04:27 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
No way I'm buying all those CDs
Seriously, the 90's were expensive for me(5-10 cds a week easy) and I walked out of it with a shit ton of worthless plastic
Agreed. And for me, I create genre playlists, not necessarily listen to albums at a time. Spotify premium is great so I can find some songs I like and drop them in my list.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:23:40 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I bought 72 vinyls over 3 years of my favorite artists and have absolutely no regrets. Each one may be 3 to 6 times the price of a CD.
I've been using Spotify for a little over a year. I only use it for podcasts. All of my music is mp3 stored locally, not streamed.. (usually not available streaming anyway unless you're talking SoundCloud)
The one exception is my long standing love of SomaFM's commercial free internet radio. Oh baby give me that folk forward, fluid and defcon
This. I have spotify playing a minimum 7hrs/day while I'm at work. I live in an area where the only local radio stations are a news and a station that's little more than an unlicensed garage. For me to turn back to CDs or heaven forbid, Accuradio, would be suicide?
Very true. And here I am cancelling my Spotify because I remember how convenient it is to own an MP3 player. No battery drain on my phone, no storage issues, no data drain.
And even with Spotify premium your geolocation and other behaviors are still being data mined.
Yeah it's a convenience. One that I overcame with $40 on eBay and a dedicated music player device.
Best way I've discovered amazing artists I've never heard on local or satellite is the lists.
I just discovered the Marcus King Band (https://open.spotify.com/track/7CEKnpnWXyhNi6tLBGxfAo?si=kL5AE86QROGSuAnDHTWetw) from Black Stone Cherry's play list. Blew my mind. So much of music doesn't fit preformed marketing of stations these days. Spotify is really opening me up to all kinds of different rock and music.
I've been listening to French heavy metal and some Brazilian metal too. Have been a Spotify subscriber for 8 years no regrets.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:12:10 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Ripping cds? Is this 1999?
Liefx ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:48:43 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Honestly I would pay more for GPM. Music is a huge part of my life and having access to new and old music all at once is incredible.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:22:21 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Iโve listened to 168 albums since December with Apple Music. That shit is incredible.
radradio ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 16:35:55 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
This is funny because my dad got a new car with Android auto/apple car play and what not. He found out...he can rip his old CDs and create a playlist on a flash drive and plug that into his car. He went through all that effort to get his own little playlist going instead of using the features on Spotify. I think it's mostly because he's just old and not will to figure out how to use Spotify. To him it's probably easier to just build something static like that and just forget about it.
Some of us old folks like to have our things remain just as we set them. We've learned the hard way that if you let a site/service do something for you, then you'll spend time arranging your music as you want it, and come back the next day to find that the site has "helpfully" randomized it, or added songs it thinks you'll like, or lost the rights to some of the songs and deleted them from your carefully crafted playlist without notifying you, etc.
Maybe you young'uns grew up with corporations meddling with your stuff and you're used to it, but we didn't, and we don't like it :P
Because on Spotify I can spend 2 hours making a playlist of over 100 artists I've never heard before, a lot of which are too small to have CD releases.
Ajamay95 ยท 48 points ยท Posted at 17:21:07 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
And then get recommendations for that playlist, that may be other things I've never heard of. I've had premium for about three years now, and it's how I've found probably 80% of the new music I listen to.
Exactly. I am subscribed to Google Play Music and I listed to small time artists a lot of the times. That and the radio playlists are the reason I prefer streaming over buying albums.
Also, GPM is $2/month here. Albums are way more expensive.
They're not losing money because the business model isn't profitable but rather because the record companies take more than half the money for themselves, screwing over Spotify, the artists, and everybody else in between.
[deleted] ยท 43 points ยท Posted at 17:00:06 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Theyre losing money because the record companies are desperately trying to keep their business model profitable. Giant labels that take a huge cut are going to go away, not music streaming businesses.
I'm legit surprised we haven't seen the collapse of major labels already. Self-producing has been affordable for a long time, and wealthy artists could just hire out the staff on an individual basis with less overhead while smaller artists can get by without them. The only thing a major label really has to offer at this point is marketing and distribution.
For music industry success, self-producing gets you jack-shit. You need the promotion and funding that labels can give you. The fact that artists are still desperate to sign tells me that labels aren't going anywhere.
port53 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 04:00:01 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
There are tens of thousands of indi artists that are better than anything a major label churns out, but, you've never heard of them or their work.
The marketing is everything. You see these people on tv, in magazines, played on radio and invited to award shows because they market with a big label, not because their music is the best available.
Brockhampton is a group that I like that is independent and has all portions of the group included under the name. Production, graphic design, management, etc. are all part of the group. Favorite group hands down.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:31:32 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Right, and Spotify should work to disintermediate them, similar to what Netflix is doing, but as of now, you need to pay the people who own the content. If they canโt cover those costs, then theyโre unprofitable
Giant corporations whos sole purpose was to promote artists, distribute recordings and take 90% of the earnings arent desperate to stay relevant in an age when an artist can self promote and self release, and thousands and thousands of independent labels are doing the same thing cheaper and easier than ever? Ok.
btchmob ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:26:22 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Independent labels still only have a fraction of the reach that majors do.
Right, but they used to be the only option if you wanted to make a living making music. This is no longer the case. There are plenty of very successful independent artists or artists signed to independent labels that treat them fairly. You dont need to spend hundreds of thousands on production and distribution anymore to get your music out there and create a fan base. Its only going to get easier, not harder, and major labels will become less and less relevant.
btchmob ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:16:57 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Independent record labels have been around for the better part of the last century, achieving varying levels of success. That isn't new.
But that's moot, because it's not really the same market.
When an independent label has to actually do physical promotion and press physical disks, not to mention pay for costly studio time because professional equipment is absolutely required to make a record, thats a lot less bands they can manage for the same amount of money. The "new" part is that none of that is required anymore. In 1970 you couldnt have an all-digital label. Today you can.
This is barely even debatable. Digital media and better, more affordable equipment have been a huge boon to independent artists and labels, and a huge blow to traditional labels. When someone can do production, promotion, and distribution all by themselves from their bedroom, the majority of what a major label offers is obsolete. If someone just wants to make a living making music and doesnt necessarily want to be a megastar, theres not much more a major label will offer them.
btchmob ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:04:02 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
No, it's not debatable if you think all a major record label does is publish music โ or even the "majority" of what they do.
I'm not disputing whether or not someone can succeed as an independent musician, but with your idea that majors are in a desperate scenario. Major record labels aren't going anywhere anytime soon.
Just because certain companies jack up their prices because they have a government granted monopoly, doesn't mean other companies have an unprofitable business model. It just means monopolies shouldn't be tolerated.
I don't think you understand how this works, and maybe I don't either but I can try to explain from my perspective.
The artists don't get paid unless these record labels get paid, so the more that goes to the labels, the more that goes to the artists except for independent releases. If an artist has an agreement with their music released through a record label to split all sales and streams and licensing of their songs 50/50 or 60/40 or 70/30 or 80/20 (bigger artists get better cuts because they are safer investments), then that split comes out of the label's portion of the Label/Spotify split. The label or publisher is collecting all money on behalf of their artists, and then they take their cut and then the artists get paid the remainder of their agreed upon amount.
So the more a label takes from Spotify's cut, the more the artist gets paid. But the label's cut (at least with the labels I've released on) of Spotify's split is shrinking.
On the artist side, all digital music sales are down dramatically while streaming numbers have been going up considerably, and Spotify is the highest paying of all the streaming services by a landslide simply by sheer traffic and play count differences (at least for mainstream music). No other streaming service is even remotely close to Spotify numbers, if I go by my statements and my peers' statements over the past 5 years. But rates have been going down more and more for Spotify and everyone else, meaning Spotify is taking a bigger and bigger share, so actually both the labels and individual artists are taking the hit. This means Spotify still isn't making enough money, and unless labels and artists are willing to agree to some silly split like Spotify taking 90% and the artists taking 10%, Spotify will have to increase subscription costs. It seems like they're doomed long-term either way, but I'm just a speculative artist.
There's no money in music unless you're touring, or someone is paying you to make music for them. That's just how it is now because music is so easy to get for little to no money online, and streaming rates are dropping more and more because these streaming companies aren't sustainable. Vinyl sales are up, but not nearly enough to make up for the drop in music sales and streams.
Digital sales are trending down to the dumpster, streams are trending up, but stream payouts are trending down to the dumpster, and it's exactly because these streaming services aren't profitable so less and less is going to the artist.
Music sales and streams just don't make money anymore, or I feel is very close to completely crashing. You either do live shows after you become extremely popular or have just one song go viral (both can essentially come down to luck equal to winning the lottery regardless of the amount of work you put in, though grinding more music out gives you far more opportunities to hit said jackpot), or you have rich artists pay you to make their music for them. There is no in between anymore. Touring as small artists does not pay either because you don't have the fanbase to sell out your shows, and if you cannot sell out your shows you do not get sustainable touring deals and gigs long-term.
There used to be an in-between, a middle ground back when music sales were very high and streaming was only just trying to break through, but not anymore. Music sales used to be able to sustain artists long ago, and streaming rates used to be fairly high even just a few years ago, but not anymore. This has nothing to do with record labels (and thus many artists) wanting bigger cuts from Spotify streams. Spotify and other streaming and music services bleeding is what is hitting these record labels (major and independent, big and small) to begin with, and it all stems from no one needing to buy music anymore and being able to get every song in existence for a very reasonable very low subscription cost. Everything in music that is not live show-oriented is currently built on an unsustainable foundation that has been breaking down and crumbling slowly but surely, meaning almost no one makes much money without touring.
We're trending to the point where from the artist and label side, music releases and streaming music serves as an advertisement for tours much more than ever. These people are building fanbases and growing artists for the sake of trying to get them to a point where they can tour and sellout shows, because there will be no money to be made otherwise. Otherwise people are making music just to make music, and will need to stick to their regular jobs to survive. Labels are sustainable without live shows only if they can release an extremely large catalog of music over time where all the pennies and dollars begin to compound over thousands of songs and hundreds of artists (and even this is starting to look rocky as rates continue to fall through streaming services and problems with YouTube monetization). You'll see these sorts of labels on youtube. Otherwise many artists with decently sized fan bases go the independent label route where their own music is an advertisement for their live shows, essentially. But you can't do that unless you have thousands and thousands of active and relevant fans in the first place.
edit: I should clarify one thing though. There is one outlier, and that is Country music. Country music sales are the highest of all genres, a testament to the peculiarities of their typical fanbases. Hip hop and rap are the highest streamed, followed by pop, but when it comes to actual music sales, Country is still doing OK last I heard. There is a lot of money to be made in Country music at the moment.
Man Pandora was awesome sauce, for some annoying reason they keep pulling out of where ever I live, I use Deezer right now, if you like too many things they just start feeding you generic pop garbage rather than tailoring music to you, it's like they just use a scatter graph of things you like and play things that are the absolute average of everything
If they just follow the Pandora model and just played one or more ads between every single song played, the free version would not be a money loser for them.
Edit: people are clearly misunderstanding me poking fun at Pandora for playing an ad between every song, or sometimes multiple ads per song.
Also, Pandora has not yet had one profitable year that I am aware of (as of 3rd quarter of 2017).
gamas ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:48:52 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It would help if they had a better algorithm for the ads - no Spotify, you aren't going to make much revenue from ads if you literally just play the same ad over and over again.
Then again I pay for premium because my thought is "well hang on, ยฃ10 is the price of a single CD with 12-24 tracks, I'm getting more than my money's worth with this". At the end of the day, you have access to an unlimited supply of music and unlike CDs you can choose to have only the songs you like, rather than paying for a bunch of songs you don't like when you buy an album (because let's face it, it's very rare you come across an album in which every song is worth listening to).
The difference is that all these other options go "it's simple, just do this, this, this, rip all the music, then do this". Whereas with spotify the only step is "install spotify".
I didn't like going through the trouble of ripping my discs back when there weren't other options. Hell I don't even have a cd drive anymore. It's convenience.
SiriusC ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:59:56 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
How? I've seen this said many times but memory expansion doesn't seem to be going anywhere. I thought it was on the way out when I had a Nexus 4 but all the phones I've had since then have had SD slots. It's something I insist on having when considering any new phone.
Maybe this is more common knowledge than I know....but it turns out 200gb cards run on any phone that take 128s too. I have trouble syncing files on my card when I have the SD card in the phone and the phone connected to computer but I just pop it out and use a card reader and other than that it works perfectly
I used to do that. I still do that on my PC. But I don't think I've ever had a single music app on android or ios that didn't mess up tagging, album art etc.
On top of that the choice with something like spotify is a lot bigger as long as you're within a number of genres.
OK_Soda ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 15:53:45 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
And eventually have to pay for Dropbox when you blow through the free tier limits. At that point, why not just pay for Spotify?
Errat1k ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:17:15 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
At a guess I'd say it's because spotify insist on making the free user experience as annoying possible.
Spotify insists on trying to recoup the cost of letting you listen to a hundred billion songs for free. The free user experience is annoying because A: Ads are their only possible source of revenue for you using their free product, and B: Music licensing is fucking expensive. They really, really want you to pay that $10 a month because it's a smoking good deal for the average music fan and because they have to be able to support themselves. Money is the bottom line of everything and if people are going to bitch about Spotify providing them with free music, with some restrictions able to be removed by a subscription, then they deserve for Spotify to be intentionally annoying.
Errat1k ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:30:25 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
My point being was meant to be, that if you teach your potential customers to hate what you are offering, getting them to pay gets tricky.
These kind of design decisions were popular in earlier internet history and hasn't ever really worked out very well for many of the companies involved as far as I know. These strategies may seem very clever but in the end only destroy what little value people find in your what you are offering.
It's almost as if people react badly to being coerced, who knew?
I haven't used the app in a while so correct me if I'm wrong. The bottom navigation bar seems better to me than the burger menu that Google has going on. And I like Spotify's theme better.
If you are picking your streaming service based on how much of the color orange they use then I'm not sure they should really by aiming at you as a customer lol
I'm just saying, the UI is ugly and (in my opinion) unintuitive. Why keep every single option buried in one menu that's on the farthest corner? Idk, Spotify's UI is much more appealing to me.
The UI is usable if you can look at it, but theres a lot of times you want to do something where looking at the phone is inconvenient. They also hide shit for no reason, like, if I'm playing a playlist, why would you ever, ever hide the tracklist or the controls just to show me a giant album art instead?
Ive had a google music subscription for like 7 years, and used it with my uploaded music for like 3 years before that, and I really do love it, but the mobile version is pretty shit. The desktop version isnt that much better either, but the algorithm for picking tracks in the radio feature, and the fact that absolutely every song ever is on there keeps me using it. They definitely could improve though.
You could always do this. It was the selling point when they introduced the paid streaming feature. There used to be a limit of like 10 dollars "worth" of songs every month, but its been unlimited for a very long time.
I feel like I'm the only person in the world that doesn't have a serious issue with the GPM app. I open it, search for what I want, and click play. I don't get what is causing people so much grief.
Google Play music is the only reason why I refuse to use it even though I have google play music through YT Red. It's so counter-intuitive that it makes it dangerous to use while driving. Spotify's layout is just lightyears better.
Theres an app called Frinky Music Controller that lets you control any media player (including google music) with your volume keys while the screens off. You dont need root to use it, its on the market.
I agree with you that the UI is better, but google music is way, way better at recommending actually relevant music based on what you listen to, rather than paid promotion top 40 bullshit.
Google Music is multiplatform so it'd be available on Android, iOS, PC and Mac or anything that can run Chrome browser.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:30:57 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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sylos ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:59:31 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
But you can't play all songs from an artist with a click of a button. In fact, it's a real pain in the ass making a custom playlist to hold all the songs of an artist.
pvmnt ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:29:21 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Not just Android devices - your desktop, laptop and iOS devices too.
I couldn't do it because fundamentally I want to own that music, not be leasing it. I have devices I listen to music on that won't work with Spotify.
Don't make fun of me...I drive a 2011 car that has built in Zune integration. I can control it from my steering wheel and I keep all my music there. I won't upgrade so I can plug my phone in with an aux cord and use an app instead.
I'm in a similar boat. I don't like the idea of not owning a copy of my music (on CD, usually)
Though with CDs becoming more and more scarce at my local store, and me getting increasingly into less known artists, I've also started purchasing music on iTunes.
However, I do like streaming services for finding new music, so I've got Google Play Music and Pandora subscriptions, but whatever music I want to add to my library, I purchase through iTunes. If I really like the artist, I'll typically go to their website and buy a physical CD.
But yeah, I like having ownership of my library. I guess iTunes could go under at any moment or decide not to sell music anymore, but at least I've still got the copy on my computer.
movzx ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:36:28 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Fyi you can get a cheap Bluetooth capable radio that will work with those steering wheel controls.
For $200 you can get a radio that runs Spotify (and Netflix) directly.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:54:05 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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nssone ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 17:08:18 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
But the comment he replied to mentioned steering wheel controls, which he can't do using a transmitter or aux cord.
movzx ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:24:27 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Guy literally said he didn't want to use an aux cord and he wanted to use his steering wheel controls. Come on man.
i used those quite a bit, for a while, but they suffered noise and/or stereo issues. I ended up getting a cassette/aux adapter that worked really well, except in extreme cold, before ending up with bluetooth
niuguy ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:45:51 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
My only issue with streaming is that GPM isn't convenient for running without a phone.
there may be an aftermarket stereo you can install in your car. for my beamer there are head units that run Android and take input from my steering wheel.
I was referring to his Zune and and refusal to upgrade to something that will support his phone. But now that you mention it, yeah, CDs are antiquated too.
right? its literally only 10 a month for ALL the music I'd ever want to listen to, and i listen to 100+ different albums monthly easily, no fucking way am i buying those seperately.
I have encountered many issues with the spotify library. Plenty of times an artist isnt there, or if they are, there are albums missing out of their discography. Not to mention spotify using the wrong years on albums/them being out of order drives me up the wall.
Which would you say happens more often: not finding an artist or song on Spotify, or not finding an artist or song in your apparently huge personal music collection?
I get they may not care if the years are incorrect, but you should definitely care if an artists who you enjoy listening to has a portion of their catalog missing.
It's simply not my responsibility as a customer. It's the responsibility of the artist if they care enough to vet and verify how their music is distributed.
sdvr1 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:37:05 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Then as a customer, it is my right to go somewhere else.
So if you go to an artists page and see that only 3 out of 6 albums are available your response is "fuck it not my responsibility!!" rather then "damn this sucks"?
I just know that contract licensing is complicated and sometimes collections aren't complete. I also pay for a streaming service so I can listen to millions of songs, not to listen to an entire catalog back to back of an artist. If that priority is your line in the sand, then buy the music directly.
I pay for Netflix, but I don't resent the company because they took of House MD in a contract renegotiation. If I really wanted direct access to that series, I'd just buy it.
Im not telling you to listen to an artist entire discography in one sitting. What i am saying is it sucks when albums are missing because you do not have the option to listen to an album you want to hear. Licensing sucks and it happens waaaayyyy to often.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 18:01:03 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I don't know about other people, but the reason I still buy cds is specifically because I can never find any of my music on Spotify or other services. Every cd I've bought in the last decade also comes with a drm free digital download in .mp3 or flac, so transferring stuff is no problem either
You don't need to pay for the CD of you pay for the premium GPM sub. You get most music with the sub. If you don't have the sub, you can still upload your own music and listen to it on GPM, but you only have access to music you own and uploaded.
klesus ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:54:31 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
To me it's a no-brainer as well and my choice is buying CDs/MP3s. I may get monthly access to millions of songs with spotify, but that doesn't mean I'm going to listen to millions of songs ever. It's false value.
$120/year is insane spending if I normally don't even approach spending $120/decade on CDs/MP3s. No amount of convenience can justify the price. When I actually find music that I find worth spending money on, that means that I will listen to it many times. This means ad-free listening forever. Compared to spotify that is a fraction of the cost. If I want to listen to music for the sake of discovery then I listen to radio. That is free, and the radio services have access to millions of songs in my stead.
AidenXY ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:22:20 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
That's just you, man.
I don't listen to radio.
I have thousands of tracks on my playlists. There's no way I'd afford that if I had to buy singles and CDs.
Why are people choosing Spotify over GPM? With GPM you automatically get YouTube Red, and it syncs your personal music library as well, so you have cloud access to all of your personal library that might not be available on any of the streaming services. What boggles my mind even more is that people pay for Pandora...
AidenXY ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:19:54 on March 26, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You could. It's called Plex. Load it up on your home computer, point it towards your music directory, and all of a sudden you can stream and DL for offline use on every device.
I pay for the mobile service so I can download to my phone and use Bluetooth in my car. I like it because I don't have to fumble with discs or ripping music. I just connect and go, and then I have literally hundreds of albums at my fingertips, music that will definitely cost more than the sub to acquire.
I've had a paid Spotify for years. Literally since they moved to the US and while I don't necessarily agree with all the choices they make, I have the service stuck firmly in my essentials category. To me, it's worth it. And I'd rather not have sub prices get raised. $10 a month for my thousands and thousands of songs is nothing compared to $10 per 20 songs on a CD that I have to rip and then add to a playlist and then maybe it works? Don't have that time. Or a disc drive.
Yerambe ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:09:27 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
CDs for my car.
I have a case of 100 of my favorites. I rotate some in and out.
I used to buy used CDs off amazon for mere pennies to a couple bucks. The shipping usually costs more then the CD itself and you can rip it to your PC at full quality.
Well of course they are outselling digital downloads. That statistic is determined by revenue. It costs probably $1 or less in materials to make a vinyl and they sell it for $20 to $40. They are completely different mediums with different mindsets regarding what they are worth. No one wants to pay around $30 an album for something digital that could be gone forever.
Digital streaming is the future and Spotify is leading the way. Once they pass a threshold of paying users it will all be uphill from there. They just need enough people paying such that the amount of money that the artists are making are happy.
bjh13 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:43:18 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
. It costs probably $1 or less in materials to make a vinyl or CD and they sell it for $20 to $40.
Where are you buying CDs that they cost $20 to $40? Barring some sort of special edition, or a trip back to 2002, that number is way off.
Is it just a cultural thing? Lots of people understand that ads pay for more content to be created, so we get music, shows, reading, etc for free (as long as we allow ads), but still the majority thinks all ads are bad and will not accept that people making things (which they use) actually need to profit from it, or the thing collapses.
Because some people understand that, maybe that means that most people will eventually understand it. Of course, maybe free content on the internet will just fold.
(I'm talking about regular picture ads, and a moderate amount of short pre-video ads (not hold-you-hostage and waste your time, play noises on your browswer, etc ads)
eagenda ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:44:09 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It's the pluralism of the internet. Sure, you could have ads. Sure, you could charge a subscription fee, go for it. You have to accept though, that there is always going to be someone who is not willing to accept ads and also someone who will deem your subscription fees too dear for their taste - and in turn there will always be someone willing to cater to these people by providing an alternative (legal or otherwise, cheaper or more convenient).
Lots of people understand that ads pay for more content to be created
"It's like that because of the way it is" is not a good argument for ads as primary income source.
I'm pretty sure if I went to a bank to get a business loan and explained how my income will rely on ad clicks (views don't cut it most of the time) I would be laughed out of the building. There are other ways and more of them everyday, ads will not go away - people still want to market whatever they're making - but other income channels will take over.
That's true. I'm more just interested in how things turn out. Whether people will adopt to actually understanding how something like free internet content works, or whether they will just chose an alternative that collapses it (which is already happening, but might reverse - for example, if people stopped using blanket ad blocking tech, publishers would see profits go up 20-40% and would fund more content for sure, or at least not chose to fold). I suspect subscriptions couldn't be a solution for any but the biggest brands, just due to peoples ideas/ability to consume/pay.
While true of a bank, media has always been ad-funded. TV, radio, much of/sometimes all of newspapers and magazines, and part of the funding for sports and music events are paid for with ads.
There's a reason the big streaming services, apart from Spotify, are owned by companies that make their profits in other areas. For the biggest of the big (Apple, Amazon, and Google), the user buy-in is probably worth the fact that they generally break even on the service itself.
That being said, I have found myself moving back to buying at least some of the music I enjoy on CD. For the money and the peace of mind of actually having a high quality physical copy, it's not a bad choice.
I think it has reached somewhat of an equilibrium. Google and Apple may not make money off their streaming services, but their users' relationship to the ecosystem keeps them profitable in the long run. I think spotify makes enough off non-premium users to compete. As long as those services don't start gouging prices, I think we'll see this trend continue.
Also, people don't buy every song they listen to. Most use streaming for convenience and buy physical media for stuff they want to own. Nobody wants to own everything they listen to. And when I personally want to own something, I'd rather have the physical media as well as the digital copy; not just a digital copy that in the case of apple you don't even legallly own.
Karzdan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:50:05 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
And how much are you willing to pay for all the cloud storage needed? I have over 500 Cd's spanning back to the 90s. People aren't buying digitized music because it's cost effective to use a streaming service like Spotify.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:50:16 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
vinyl? i understand the sentimental value. but really, people still buy vinyl?
Not to mention most libraries have CDs available for checkout for free.
Seriously, check out your local library. Mine has Nintendo Switch and PS4 games with no cost to borrow them. But according to my taxes, I pay $40/month towards the library. But, you know, feels like free
VanApe ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:58:19 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The thing I've always found silly about piracy is the fact we have libraries. It has always been a common thought that media should be shared, it wasn't until our modern day nonsense that we suddenly decided it was terrible, and think of the [Strike]artists[/strike] labels!
Shitty media comes from the for profit culture. Microtransactions, nickleback, ads...etc. Good shit comes from passion. We see it all the time! Dark souls, enter the gungeon, pink elvis floyd presley! The list goes on.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:08:31 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Funny you say that cause someone recommended me a band yesterday and I could only find they're most recent album on a digital download service. I couldn't find any CD's on amazon (so if you know a good site I'm all ears). Otherwise it's a bit of an investment. I don't think people want to own albums of bands they haven't heard before
Is Hulu ad free if you pay? I used to pay for Hulu a few years back, but there were still ads, and the ads were quite frequent. I ended up canceling the sub and finding less legit streaming sources.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:38:05 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It's difficult to click "play album radio" from my CDs though. It's more difficult to find music you like that you may have never heard of just buying CDs.
May be fun for you buddy but it's not going to be fun for the average consumer.
mnmkdc ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:50:59 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Digital downloads aren't actually relevant to spotify and similar streaming services though right?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:53:04 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
When Reddit finally, mercifully dies, this comment will be enshrined in the history books to illustrate just how insane and out of touch this websiteโs user base was. โWhy pay $10/month to have nearly all the music in the world at your fingertips when you could instead pay $10 for a single album, which you then have to rip to a computer and manually copy to all your devices?โ 400+ upvotes. Pure insanity.
I don't think that the clients Spotify is "missing" are ripping CD's and vinyls. They are more likely downloading for free. When i can't find something on spotify i sure as hell don't buy clutter, which is what cds and vinyls are to me.
Why not buy CDs for $10 which you can rip and save anywhere you want and without ads.
For me, it's not just access to music I like, but recommendations for music I might like. Plus radio streaming playlists so I can just set it and forget it.
Hulu is ad-free? I still get ads with my paid subscription bundled with Spotify. Is the normal Hulu subscription completely ad-free?
dt_vibe ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:11:15 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Only reason I buy CD's is because the audio difference from Spotify via Bluetooth is so crap even at extreme settings. CD's offer that pure sound hitting every frequency perfectly.
I feel like this post is rather misleading. The focus has clearly shifted to paid streaming services which dump the adds. Per the article you linked
Nearly all the growth was the result of the continued surge in paid music subscription services such as Spotify and Apple Music. Those services grew by more than 50 percent to $5.7 billion last year and accounted for nearly two-thirds of the industryโs revenue. Physical media accounted for 17 percent, while digital downloads made up 15 percent.
So yes while CD's and Vinyl are (barely) outselling digital downloads from services like iTunes, they are significantly smaller when compared to the amount of people going to streaming services like Spotify, Tidal, or Apple Music. That's for good reason to, as many people listed below.
Bang for your buck, I spent 10 bucks a month and get unlimited CD's to add to my collection, I can listen as much or as little as I'd like anywhere I'd like.
Discovery, logging users listen history beefs up algorithms for "Discover" playlists to bring you relevant tunes as well as a convenient place to look at new releases every day.
A host of sub apps built in to the streaming service like Genius lyrics and video content
And this is just a few. Whether we like it or not streaming is the future of the music industry. We will pay more for convenience and streaming offers extreme convenience.
Cuw ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:16:04 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Spotify was losing money last time I checked. Their business model sucks, they are steaming music at a loss, giving artists shitty deals and advertisers donโt even get guaranteed impressions since piracy is so rampant. They are at the mercy of licensing agreements that a lot of companies just donโt want to negotiate. The second the VC well is dry how will they continue to operate at a loss? They lost $581M
last year... when are they going to make money? And how are they going to do it.
Meanwhile Apple has nearly as many US subscribers, and isnโt losing money doing it. But the deck is stacked in Appleโs favor so idk that itโs a fair comparison. Apple has 15 years of licensing contracts with record labels and individual artists, they have international licensing agreements worked out too. On top of that they are installed on every single iPhone that is sold, and the iPhone line is the most popular line of phones in the US. And they are nearly a trillion dollar company so it doesnโt even matter if Apple Music ends up being a loss leader. And then they have great original content, QTip, Elton John, Charlie XCX, Run the Jewels, and Dr Dre all have their own shows that are really good.
We have come to the point where itโs clear free streaming doesnโt work, you canโt do it and make money, ads donโt pay enough, and you piss off artists by not paying them enough and โcheapeningโ music. I donโt know that Spotify can ever make money and Google, Amazon and Apple can all lose money hand over fist in the steaming industry and still make bank in other segments.
Might as well be back in early 2000, ripping music from cds..
The time it takes to rip and cd and wait for all the Information to download about the track or album. And then having to sync it to your phone, isn't worth the effort. But $10 for Spotify is 100% worth it. Click the add button on a song I like in Spotify and it autosyncs it to a playlist for me.
Hulu isn't ad free though. They started showing ads in their paid subscription awhile back. Now you need to pay even more for the ad free sub, which isn't even 100% ad free.
I really dislike that Hulu started out advertising their original paid service as "ad free", then slowly started putting ads into it, and now has a second service that is suppose to be the "no really, this one is ad free for real", but it isn't.
If rumors are true, then they're going to be adding yet another ad free-ad free plan that really, really, really doesn't have any ads (except for the few ads that is has).
Why not buy CDs for $10 which you can rip and save anywhere you want and without ads.
Hard drive space is only getting cheaper.
Internet bandwidth is getting more expensive.
I predict a new Ipod soon (not really...but maybe)
butsuon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:35:05 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The problem with that is we've nearly moved completely beyond physical media.
The music industry would benefit greatly from a service like Cryptocurrency for maintaining music licenses because people are afraid of buying things on iTunes or what-have-you. "If the company goes out of business, I lose all my music."
We need a self-sustaining digital format that persists past a distributors shelf life but also gives labels the security they need against piracy.
This is totally a solution, though I don't own a device with a CD player, haven't for years. Got 2 surface pro tablets, a couple of Chromebooks and a desktop computer though. I haven't seen software on a CD for the longest time. I have a record player though, there's something so satisfying about vinyl.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:40:30 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Don't come in here and pretend streaming companies are losing money. They aren't.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:46:24 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I would pay probably up to $20/mo for Spotify. I listen to Spotify probably 5 hours a day while I program. It's so worth the cost! I don't pay for any streaming services right now because the price isn't worth the content. Netflix would have to have every or almost every movie/show I'd want to watch (right now it's less than half) for me to pay. But Spotify? They have all the music I could ever want. Hella worth the money
I feel like what internet streaming allows more than piracy is actually making content creators aware of the numbers on piracy. There's always been harmless copying and sharing of media, but now people are aware of it.
Warning: disjointed thoughts incoming, replying while working.
It's a sign of the state of the economy. Theres just not enough money in the middle class to widely afford "luxuries/entertainment" at the profit margin producers and distributors and managers want. People flocked to streaming because it was significantly cheaper than buying albums, then all of the streaming services raced to the bottom on pricing to gain userbase, and now they are realizing that it's not sustainable without charging more, so they start adding ads that people hate. If they raise the cost of subscription too high, it'll lose it's edge over cost of albums, driving people back to ripping CDs, which is even less profit for these companies (I can share a disk with all of my friends, etc). Piracy will also go up, as that's an issue of price and distribution. If more people go back to ripping CDs, then the companies will work to disallow ripping disks for mobile devices, which I can assure you will not cause people to go back to CD players. It's a no-win game if the goal is profits at the top.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:34:54 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
CDs would require an optical drive, and there isn't one in my house. CDs must surely be on the road to being obsolete - only at the start of the road right enough, but still on the road.
It's legal to rip audio CD's right? I don't see why it wouldn't be, there isn't any DRM involved. I feel as though BluRay sales would be higher if it was legal for people to rip movies or TV shows and watch them wherever, however they want. Would be great for a long road trip without Wi-Fi access, you could load up all your movies and shows on a external hard drive, flash drive, or even the huge capacity SD cards available today instead of carrying a binder full of discs
Sinoops ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:59:06 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I listen to much more than 1 album a month....
esacbw ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:14:49 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The current state of the music industry means that it's near-impossible to have a profitable streaming platform because of licensing costs (Spotify loses almost 80% of it's total revenue every year on licensing the music alone)
It's not a coincidence that Spotify is being propped up by the Major Record Labels and the other primary streaming services are part of huge businesses like Amazon, Apple and Google that are profitable in other markets.
I have an old laptop that I use exclusively for my itunes. I got an email from Apple that said in May they are going to drop support for windows vista, which is my laptops os. So after April, instead of buying music from Apple, I will completely disconnect my laptop from the internet and just buy CD's and manually add them to itunes. I use my phone and tablet for everything else, I'm not getting a newer laptop just for itunes.
Thysios ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:09:43 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Why not buy CDs for $10 which you can rip and save anywhere you want and without ads
idk where you live but they're at least twice that price for me. Also far more inconvenient to buy and then they waste space on the shelf or take more time to sell.
After a while playing for streaming services (both Spotify and Play Music) I've gone back to buying my music outright.
I sorry the artist more, no one can remove the track from streaming, I don't require any data to listen to my music ever. Interestingly, I also find that with Spotify and Play Music I never really appreciated the full album, I would only ever listen to a subset of tracks that I liked on the first play through. When I own the whole thing I end up appreciating all the tracks far more.
Why not buy CDs for $10? Because I'm not going to try musicians I've never heard of for that much even if I like one of their songs. On top of that it's a seamless transition between devices. Phone, laptop, desktop, tablet, play station, and sonos. I've used everyone on these devices and love the convenience of the service.
Using a free service and blocking the ads because they're annoying is just some bull shit entitlement nonsense. Pony up the money and get better quality audio too, it's worth it. I also have to wonder how many people blocking the ads are rocking some over priced awful audio gear like skull candy or beats.
I would rather opt to buy the tracks I want, wish that there would be a more direct way to support the artists and those directly related in making the albums, minus all the corporate crap, ain't paying for those shitty lobbyists nor those advertising companies. I guess they wanted too much of the pie that the once plausible free tier with some audio ads isn't feasible anymore, but should had been enough minus those corporate craps.
Is it really? I'm not doubting you, I just never considered it to be as big of a player as Spotify.
I switched to Apple Music from Spotify recently because I was able to get added to a family plan for free, but I didn't realize it was anywhere near as popular.
Why not buy CDs for $10 which you can rip and save anywhere you want and without ads. Not to mention most libraries have CDs available for checkout for free.
because that's a lot of work, i don't have anything to play the CDs with, and i wouldn't want physical media on my shelves anyway, what is this 1998?
I'm fine paying 5bucks a month for spotify premium, i use it a lot and 5 bucks is nothing.
jojo_31 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:41:33 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Or just use a program that can download an entires artists song in flac with one click... Who even has a CD reader anymore?
jojo_31 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 10:27:56 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Idk if it's against the rules so I dm you
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:17:05 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It's not rocket science we all should be able to understand this.
Digital = Piracy wins. Anytime a company fights piracy the consumer loses in this case. Since the 70s they have failed on that.
The reason physical products are outselling now is because people want to actually OWN what they spend their money on.
Not rent it until the person says they cannot have it anymore.
I refuse to pay for music. There's entirely too much of it for me to ever listen to and plenty of it is free anyways.
Companies need to understand the rock n roll gold mine is closed. Live shows do well, sure.
And ads on a music platform are the fucking worst thing ever. You're halfway through a playlist when all of a sudden at 200% volume you hear some shit about geico or something. Complete immersion ruined.
Really we just needs to replace ads with something better. Maybe instead of ads spotify spends like 20% of your processor on mining cryptocurrency.
I pay ยฃ10 a month for Spotify. If I was to buy a CD for every song/artist/whole album that I listened to I would be spending well over ยฃ70-80 a month.
I buy vinyl for albums I'm really interested in and stream everything else. It makes 0 sense for me to buy CDs.
Your final argument is dumb because why buy 13 to 20 songs for 10 dollars when you can have an unlimited library for around the same rate. If you buy 12 CD's a year because you hate adds, just buy the subscription because it's cheaper in the long run for the value added.
Of course CDs and vinyl outsell digital downloads; anyone who would buy a digital copy just subscribes to spotify or pandora for the same reasoning as the CD argument above.
Also that article you pointed out actually says most of the growth has happened to steaming, bringing in 5.7 billion and counted as over 2/3s the revenue for the industry, those companies are doing great and swimming in cash. Only vinyl is actually raising sales, CDs are dying out. I would guess the vinyl bump is just a bubble from people following the new trend. Guess is 5 to 10 years they will return to their old downwards trend.
A bigger problem is the amount of money artists make from new albums, as they make less streaming it then if they sold as a CD. It discourages them to make more quality music and focus on mass appeal music. It's also what caused Kanye and all them to do that stupid steaming service (can't remember the name).
. Been using Spotify for 5 years but I'm a student. Try to raise the subscription price because your security is shit and you still couldn't stop cracked clients (remember Chrome's Spotify downloader? So do I) and I will be using Google Play Music before the day this happens is up.
ryanloh ยท 24 points ยท Posted at 15:11:09 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I use both. I feel like Google Play's radio stations are better and offer more variety, but if I want to listen to something specific, I have spotify. Google Play also is better for podcasts IMO
Snflrr ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 17:27:14 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I've used GPM ever since Spotify decided to stop working on my phone two years ago (seriously, it would hard-crash my S7 within minutes of opening the app) and the only thing I think Spotify does better is album management. GPM decides that you need EVERY iteration of an album, so you'll get the original, the 1999 remastered, the 2006 remastered, the 2009 remastered deluxe, the 2016 remastered deluxe re-release, etc. Outside of that, GPM just feels more polished. I like the fact that it's got the Play Next feature AND the Add To Queue feature, since having more control is always nice. And being able to actually look up podcasts is fucking amazing.
Iustis ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 18:57:06 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The flip side of that complaint: if I click on an artist in Spotify I get 10 songs I want, and 20 remixes which I don't want.
I always had that problem with Spotify.
Listening to a band that's been around for 30 years on shuffle? I hope you like hearing every remix, remaster, and live version of one song over and over again.
notlogic ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 18:18:38 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
GPM also comes with YouTube Red.
We have Google Home devices in our house (which work with Spotify or GPM). Before getting the devices I preferred GPM and my wife preferred to listen to music on YouTube. Now if I ask for Home to play music, it defaults to GPM. If my wife asks, it plays from YT.
Enguhl ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:42:41 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
This is why I use GPM, now I can also watch ad-free stuff on Youtube without ad-blocking and denying support for the channels I like. It's win/win and I get both for as much as Spotify premium.
They'll be raising the price soon enough either way. They're going public and will have to become progressively more profitable in an industry that is struggling to find profitability.
Exactly why I think Spotify has no chance. It has to be profitable.
[deleted] ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 16:43:15 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Spotify and Microsoft seem pretty happy together... Maybe some deal between them? Student package: Spotify Premium + Office Suite for some decent price.
[deleted] ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 17:10:57 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Students already get a basic Office package for free.
This has been what I've thought for a while - MS could buy Spotify, integrate it in to Groove while also keeping the Spotify apps and branding.
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 18:53:46 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Spotify has a much larger user base right now and they partner with more applications and services than competitors.
They are also not making profit and their main competitor is rapidly gaining ground in terms of userbase. Oh and their competitor is the largest company in the world and has an almost infinite stockpile of cash and profit it can use to outlast competitors....
Cuw ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 18:27:05 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I think Apple actually makes money from Apple Music, which isnโt really a surprise. They just get better access to licensing deals since they have been the industry standard for 15 years. Google and Amazon subsidize their shit and use it as a loss leader.
Spotify is fucked, they lost $581M last year, -and they canโt raise their price because they donโt offer anything that justifies a higher price than google, amazon, or Apple.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:01:43 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I disagree. If it proves to be a better service I would pay more than Apple Music to use it. I hate the interface and music takes too long to buffer.
Plus Spotify has a killer recommendation engine and lets me know about bands I listen to performing nearby.
Well, I've got my backup plan should that happen. Sucks for them, I'll get even deeper into the Google ecosystem I already use for everything else anyway. And I won't have to use their crappy Electron app on my computers
ReggieJ ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 16:30:27 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I use GPM for this reason but my friends all use Spotify and honestly, I would too if I wasn't so far embedded in Google's ecosystem otherwise.
Doesn't it still use Chromium UI layers though? On both my computers (laptop: 7th Generation Intel Core i5 "Kaby Lake" + 8GB RAM; desktop: AMD A4-6300, NVidia 610, 8GB RAM) it's easily the heaviest and slowest App I have. It really is chunky
If they want to recover that lost money by raising their prices, good fucking luck because I know I and a lot of other people will ditch that service the second it happens. Music should not cost as much as Netflix.
The flip side of having shit security is they have a really awesome open API for creating third party apps for streaming or other things. I made a quick script that automatically crawls new record releases and makes a playlist in my account for me. That's an amazing capability. It's easy to crack down on security by closing the API, but we really don't want that to happen. It would ruin a lot of what they are doing that's awesome.
Didn't APIs require Spotify Premium anyway, or most of 'em? When I didn't have Premium I remember not being able to log into with Spotify into anything.
That would be interesting. Dogfood is open source, but I am completely incompetent with code so I can't read it. What I thought it did was convince Spotify that you're using a tablet, did that change?
[deleted] ยท 61 points ยท Posted at 14:03:50 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Unless you have a vast library of stuff not found on Spotify, it is the much better option.
I use both, Spotify at work and GPM everywhere else. Works just fine for me, and I keep all my offline stuff synced across every device with Google Play Music.
Spotify also has a cap on the amount of music you can have. Iโm probably going to switch soon because I keep running out of space and deleting old stuff
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:41:17 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
In what sense are Google's curated playlist better? I tried GPM for a year and the curation was way behind the quality of Spotify.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:44:22 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I've found that Spotify tends to play me the same music all the time, while Google will introduce new music... Sometimes that's good. Sometimes it isn't.
Completely unsubstantiated, but I feel like Spotify changed up their discover weekly album in Jan this year - I now get a much wider net of songs that I've never heard of by artists I don't know, whereas I used to get Julian Casablancas all the god damned time.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:01:19 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I've had the complete opposite experience. GPM radio streams never played new songs and the curated playlists just seemed completely arbitrary. I've restarted my Spotify subscription for two weeks now and both of my Discover Weekly playlists have introduced me to more music than GPM ever did.
For the year I used GPM my library stagnated the most in my entire life.
NyashaT ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:45:45 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Plus that 10mb per hour data usage is godly in africa
GPMs been fine, overall, in terms of recommendations. And i just bounce over to Pandora for better discoveries whenever i feel the need. There's so much new music coming down this funnel that I really can't keep up.
Spotify would probably require weeks of training because it hasn't seemed to figure out what I want yet
Snflrr ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:38:51 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I've had the opposite experience; Spotify's auto-playlists always gave me songs/bands I'd heard before, and GPM was really good about giving me stuff I'd never even heard of before. What type of music were you listening to that GPM was giving you a bad selection of?
Yeah, the conversation is about what I will do if Spotify decides to raise the price of Premium.
On one hand, they're going public and they have to make up for the 2M+ leeches using cracked clients or blocking ads, which are wasting Spotify money and why Spotify cannot seem to get rid of.
On the other hand, while Netflix did it and got away with it, the music streaming world is a different story: in the movie industry one streaming service gets the monopoly for a certain TV show. If you want to watch Stranger Things, you're gonna need Netflix, Amazon Prime and HBO Go don't have it. Music streaming is another story - except few exceptions most music is on all of them. And it's not like there isn't a good Spotify alternative - it's a competitive market and they're all good. Spotify is slightly better than them right now, but only because the pricing is exactly the same on all of them. Spotify, Google, Apple, TIDAL, Deezer, Pandora, Slacker Music all do the same thing for the same price. 10/mo is the bare minimum price for sustainability.
What does this mean? Netflix jacks up the prices? Sucks to be you! You can leave, but if you want to keep watching you're gonna need to suck it up. Spotify got more expensive? This would be a perfect way to cause a mass exodus to other services, which, by the way, are on users' faces on behalf of the ecosystem they use.
If you have an iPhone, Apple Music is so in your face you can't not know it's there. If Spotify jacks up the premium price, and you're the typical user with an iPhone and a Mac, you're just going to hop on Apple Music, use its own Spotify importer and be back up and running in like 5 minutes. You also get more free space and better battery life (also the case for GPM on Android, the beauty of native platform integration is that it's meant to run specifically on what you're using, and other platforms are an afterthought)
If you use Android, same thing with Google Play Music. But it's more X platform, you just need an Android/iOS device for mobile and any web browser on your computer.
If you're a fan of R&B and have followed Kanye West on Twitter for any length of time, the name "Tidal" will pop into your head immediately
This means that 100% of tablets and smartphones sold in the last 2-3 years and probably a lot of even older ones have a perfectly good Spotify alternative already installed on them, which also happens to be the default Music App, which users are naturally going to useโฆ and look at the Apple/Music Premium ads very frequently.
If Spotify has the clout to have users download and use it even though an alternative comes with their device and is heavily in their face, they are in a great, but delicate, situation that they don't want to risk. Apple Music and Google Play Music are holding them ransom - they have to stay super on the same side to not get annihilated by the two of them in a matter of weeks. It would be like Google decided to make Chrome paid - it has enough clout for users to take the time to ditch Edge and Safari to use it, which is really impressive, but they wanna keep it that way.
That, and entire companies and services have been founded to automate import and export of music libraries across those services. That's fantastic for the user, since switching from any service to another is 10 minutes's work and you don't lose anything. That's why nobody has upped the prices or done anything stupid yet - this market is super hungry, and if you fuck up and anger the users you have 6 different services stealing you paying customersfd
Snflrr ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:24:17 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Go ahead and switch over. Its Podcast search function is MUCH better, and you get YouTube Red free with GPM.
If you have amazon prime their music service is also pretty awesome and included without adds. You can pay like $8 a month to get an expanded library, but I've been using it for 2 years and haven't really run into anything I honestly miss.
I'm in Europe - good idea. I checked, I have Prime and it doesn't come with music (it's just โฌ36/year in italy, not โฌ120 like in the US) but I can have it for less if I have Prime! They also have a UWP App for Windows, which is attractive.
Spotify is so much better than all of the alternatives, but if they raise the prices I'm in a similar boat, I won't be able to justify paying more. I'll just have to deal with the ads, or download music like in the olden days which I really don't want to do.
To be fair I should try! I tried Google Play which was pretty terrible, had a free 6 months of Apple Music but preferred using Spotify, and nobody's recommended any others to me so assumed the alternatives would be sub-par.
JConSc2 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:00:58 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I have my Google play music up all day at work. Personally for no ads at only $10 a month it's totally worth it. Especially when you consider you get YouTube red with it
Iohet ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:29:43 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Between Spotify, Pandora, Slacker, Amazon Music Unlimited, Google Play Music, Apple Music, Tidal, and still more services, there's plenty of ways to price shop. Spotify is the most expensive of the bunch, to be honest.
Lol how is Spotify more expensive than Tidal. Spotify, Play, and Apple are the only big players for streaming where you get to choose what to listen to exactly.
Iohet ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:25:36 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Uhm, you can do that with Amazon Music Unlimited, Slacker, and others as well.
Especially after eliminating good feature after good feature. Spotify is giving you less for your money seemingly every month.
Sysion ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:04:52 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
More cost = more pirates
More pirates = more cost
Derik_D ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:16:53 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
What annoys me is the price difference between countries.
I wonder if the new European laws that prevent online merchants from geoblocking will make them have the same price in the whole EU.
Derik_D ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:34:20 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Of course it does. The EU should work to become uniform in wages and taxes.
Meanwhile because it is open we have the possibility of moving around to go after the better conditions but that is not ideal. The final objective has to be making the conditions equal for all.
Exactly. People complaining about different parts of the EU having different pricing, while completely ignoring the fact that wages in different places are radically different, is just moronic.
Derik_D ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:27:38 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
In my opinion for an online service it should not matter where you are from. It should cost the same everywhere.
There are no countries on the Internet just sites based in a country.
The price should just be where the country it is from. Spotify is a US company, the price should be the US price everywhere.
Derik_D ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:23:38 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
While the eastern europian wages are the fracture of the western ones, please let us keep this 5 euro discount.
Derik_D ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:32:41 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I understand mate I do. Hopefully the overall price would go down because of the potential of opening to more customers. But companies are greedy.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:33:45 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Their main income is through ads and subscriptions though, why would a increased subscription fee not be warranted in this scenario? I mean, I don't want to pay more than I already do either, but if a company is getting fucked like this.. then it would only make sense for them to do something about it. And the easiest way of doing it would be to raise the price.
I mean, it sucks that it's the people that are already supporting them that have to get fucked, especially when it's the poor or greedy cunts that are causing the issue.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:07:19 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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squrr1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:57:37 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Personally I own about 80% of my Spotify library. The price is rather hefty for iPod replacement.
Fidodo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:43:39 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
That'd be dumb. Instead they should just fix their tech.
they kinda have to, they make no profit and it's gonna get worse. best case scenario for them is to get bought out by someone bigger or find people willing to pay more.
travis- ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:03:22 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I just go on ebay and for 50 bucks CAD, some dude will pay for a full year for you. I mean, my location says im in the Philippines but its a full year.
They're going to have to raise the price. It's not sustainable at the current price. I think their plan is to get people locked in with their trained song recommendation algorithms and the fact that they have all your playlists. Tbh, I think it's a good idea, and I'd pay an extra $2 if they raised it. Artists barely make anything even if they get millions of listens as it is.
sjcqs ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:13:31 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You should expect the price to raise. Low prices for streaming services are there to attract and retains clients. There are either losing or not making a lot of money right now but will increase price as time in the future.
I wouldn't mind paying more for Spotify premium. I get way more than $10/mo worth of entertainment out of it. And I certainly don't want them to go bankrupt.
I'd be perfectly fine with a higher price. I'm not sure how much a service like Spotify is worth for me, but more than I'm paying now, that's for sure. The only thing I hate about Spotify is how they can't decide what features to keep and add at any given time, they're like Google's messaging app team (yes, I know there's more than one such team, which is the problem).
NVRLand ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:58:48 on March 26, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
They will have to. No way they can turn a profit with the current model. Hopefully they will just add features to some kind of extra premium rather than increasing the price of regular premium
jonmlm ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:02:46 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Meh, I'd pay at least double for ad-free access to every album I ever want to listen to.
dippa_ ยท 2663 points ยท Posted at 13:57:09 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I can see why they would want to ban that, but the people they are banning are not going to pay for the subscription they will either find another way or another app.
Best solution for Spotify is to improve their ads so they arn't so jarring, listening to a song and then having an ad blast on with a completely differn't tone and volume level is really jarring.
veriix ยท 782 points ยท Posted at 14:39:41 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Do more 15-30 sec my dude. That's where your content, and wit truly shine. That broccoli video is the first of yours that I saw, and it been a Rollercoaster ride since. And no I don't want any broccoli.
I'm completely fine with ads it's just the forced shuffle play that I hate. If the phone version was like the tablet version, I'd have no problems. The ads aren't too bad either because you get constant opportunities to skip them for 30 minutes
โI know youโre probably driving so unlock your phone and click the 30 second ad for free listening, if not, Iโll give you 30 seconds of ads anywayโ
I use it all the time on an iPad Air 2 and there is no forced shuffle. I don't think it's different between iOS and Android. What tablet are you using it on?
Kinda ... The 30 minutes ad free seems to not work (get another ad in way less than 30 minutes) kinda often. (And is why I don't but it ... Dont trust it)
dubman42 ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 16:02:35 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The shuffle function is totally broken anyway. If you have 600 songs in your playlist, it's only shuffling 50 of them and repeats. So fucking stupid.
I like using my PS4 to control what song I want then sending it to my phone. Obviously only works at home, but it makes cleaning the house a bit less miserable.
DID YOU KNOW THAT 80% PERCENT OF MEN LOSE THEIR HAIR AT AGE 35? THAT'S NOT EVEN THAT OLD. YOUR HAIR IS YOUR LIFE IT IS YOUR ONLY CHANCE OF FINDING HAPPINESS" As screeched into your ear by an over sized Brooklyn goblin.
squrr1 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 19:57:30 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
ARE YOU STILL GOING TO THE POST OFFICE, YOU HEATHEN?
moom ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 19:21:17 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
No, that's a normal-sized Brooklyn goblin. We grow 'em big here.
[deleted] ยท 1160 points ยท Posted at 14:04:47 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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pythor ยท 506 points ยท Posted at 14:22:34 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The thing is that it leads to new customers later. College kid gets spotify, gets his friend to set up the ad blocking. For a couple years, he's building playlists and linking devices to his spotify account. Then he graduates, gets a job, and a new computer. He's go money now, so instead of trying to find that hack his friend did, he just signs up for the $5 a month or whatever.
The main difference between dog food Spotify and typical pirating is that it costs Spotify money to stream music to the non paying users. Iโm sure this is a small amount, but Spotify has decided that the chance of possible future users is not worth the price of streaming to pirates.
[deleted] ยท 22 points ยท Posted at 17:19:55 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 18:01:28 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The bandwidth to send a song is going to be something like 1/200th of a penny; a cloud instance to serve a song is going to be like 1/500th of a penny.
Personnel is going to be the only one that might impact the cost per song, but when we view personnel as a fixed cost (because we need the fixed infrastructure to support paying customers) and songs as essentially requiring no marginal personnel (which is true -- they require a handful of staff per 10,000 concurrent requests marginally), then costs are almost entirely dominated by those royalties.
If you lost $450mil the previous year, then saving $10mil by driving off 2mil active users (3% of your user base!) is a stupid fucking business plan. It's the epitome of "penny wise, pound foolish".
If the 2m users were never a source of income then why would Spotify care if they're gone? Spotify is already ubiquitous enough that it doesn't need to spread via word of mouth
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:43:09 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
If the 2m users were never a source of income then why would Spotify care if they're gone? Spotify is already ubiquitous enough that it doesn't need to spread via word of mouth
I don't agree with either of your premises: I believe they are an indirect source of income (eg, getting friends to join) and completely disagree that Spotify doesn't need a good social reputation.
In fact, I think it's exactly the opposite -- the kind of people who are in the 1% of users that bother to block ads are going to be the most engaged and pro-active users, who will agitate their friends to use the "latest and greatest", which just happens to be whatever they're using; and Spotify in tight competition with other music streaming services critically depends on its reputation among users and especially among those very same trendsetters who are over-represented among that 1% of users who avoid ads.
It has over 150 million active users and a huge chunk of that is premium users who are just as, if not more likely to share positive opinions about Spotify and are going to contribute way more to Spotify's image. I think you're over-valuing these users, here. That tiny subset sharing about the "latest and greatest" might matter if this was a niche product but again, Spotify is already has over 150 million active users. Not to mention their largest competitors are also generally already paid services. It's not like these people would suddenly switch to those services.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:55:31 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You're welcome to disagree, but empirically, driving off power-users has rarely been a healthy sign for a platform.
Sure but these 2 million are hardly a significant portion of the power users, either. Over 70 million pay for premium and that's a way bigger chunk.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:26:49 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Sure but these 2 million are hardly a significant portion of the power users, either. Over 70 million pay for premium and that's a way bigger chunk.
Those 2 million are going to be densely power users, while the 70 million are going to be substantially average users.
I mean, you can disagree -- but statistically, those 2 million people putting in the effort to avoid ads are probably something like 10-20% of the service's power users.
I expect that we'll see something like 7-14 million premium members depart with them, because music is largely fungible, while community isn't.
This is the same reason why Photoshop is now the industry standard.
Make it easy to crack -> every beginner (students, hobbyists, ..) can use it for free -> when those people become professionals they use the tool they're used to -> next generations of professionals are all on Photoshop.
HnNaldoR ยท 47 points ยท Posted at 15:05:59 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It's also supposedly what Microsoft did. They do not crack down hard on piracy in many developing countries in the past. People get used to windows and do not wish to switch. Same for office.
Same with people reselling OEM keys for $2. Or heck, then straight up giving W10 away for free. Most of their money comes from bulk sales to businesses anyways, so as far as consumers go they just want people to be used to their OS.
W10 is still free, but its mostly because they did nothing to fix the problems that come from updating hardware that deactivate your windows. Without keeping some avenue for reapplying the free upgrade to 10 from previous versions, they would get inundated with people bitching about how a harddrive failure means they now have to buy retail windows 10 when they already had windows 10.
OEM Activation 3.0 is pretty forgiving so long as you don't change the motherboard, change the mobo and you're fucked without an original license key. That being said MS has been pretty forgiving on reactivating OEM licenses if you pinky promise that it's the closest available replacement hardware on the phone.
Win10 upgrade was a shitshow, they upgraded my mother's computer (had a Radeon 3850 that had no real Win10 driver, only the basic one provided by Microsoft and compatibility was garbage) and tried to upgrade my father's (with an Intel based RAID1 that did not have a driver for Win10, I'm sure it would have collapsed mid-upgrade and his RAID toast).
Win10 is harder in some ways though. When they started with Win8 the licenses became individual mobo based keys instead of one key for all manufacturers in the BIOS (like XP, Vista, Win 7 had). Originally the OEMs transferred the keys by inputting the keys from the prior BIOS into the new one, but the last time I had a mobo replacement from Dell they gave me a crappy white sticker with a serial, barcode, and product key on it, and a warning that if I need to reinstall Win10, that I will need to enter that key or re-purchase Windows if I lost it... looks really nice on the bottom of my black laptop with all other labeling lightish gold otherwise...
Which you definitely change. People who game change mobos. Their activation basically only lets you replace a failed component with the same thing. Anything else and it deactivates. That is absurd. It even does this despite backing up your license on your live account. I personally don't get what the purpose of the license backup even is.
Win10 upgrade was a shitshow
I upgraded my mom's zotac bookshelf pc 3 months ago. It runs way better on windows 10 than 7. Of course I jumped over the intermediate versions of 10 that had issues.
looks really nice on the bottom of my black laptop with all other labeling lightish gold otherwise...
Take an image and put it in your email or on google drive. Relying on the sticker is bad because they tend to rub off anyways.
Which you definitely change. People who game change mobos. Their activation basically only lets you replace a failed component with the same thing. Anything else and it deactivates. That is absurd.
It'll reactivate if you're on a retail key, which is more expensive than an OEM key. OEM is locked to the mobo, except you can cajole MS phone reps into generally reactivating OEM keys anyways (retail will just reactivate on a new mobo anyways, unless you try to reactivate the same retail key two days in a row).
I upgraded my mom's zotac bookshelf pc 3 months ago. It runs way better on windows 10 than 7. Of course I jumped over the intermediate versions of 10 that had issues.
Depends on the hardware, my build from late 2014 (Haswell based) runs way better on 10 than 8/8.1, but older hardware doesn't fare so well.
Not acceptable. Changing the mobo should not invalidate your windows.
Semont ยท 85 points ยท Posted at 14:58:26 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Especially when it becomes so big that their sales are less reliant on the individual but more to studios and larger companies that hire the kids who grew up using their software for free.
TEOn00b ยท 69 points ยท Posted at 15:36:11 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Same thing with Microsoft Office. They give it to you for free at even the slightest hint that you might be a student. Then the employers need to buy it because those students are used to it.
That and the fact that, unlike Photoshop, the "competition" is absolutely shite.
LibreOffice and Google Docs/Sheets/Slides are both very good (and free!) alternatives to a traditional Microsoft Office. The "competition" is quite competitive, the reason nobody uses them is because LibreOffice is in the domain of Linux nerds and business owners/employees haven't heard of it, and nobody uses Docs/Sheets/Slides because they've all been trained in Microsoft Office and can't/won't change.
I'm currently looking into trying to get everyone at my job off of Office and into Google, and if it works out, it could save the company tens of thousands of dollars per year. The competition is quite competitive, they just aren't household names like Office is because every accountant in the world has been using Excel since '95 and every high school student with a knack for computers was taught Office in school.
Honestly I'd use Google Docs and stuff more, but I had a terrible time trying to get margins to print correctly, and my teachers/profs were/are strict about that so back to Office I went.
Sure, but this will never happen with Spotify. Spotify is a tool for primarily consumption. It's not Ableton. Speaking of Ableton Live, Ableton Live has never been easy to crack, and they've still become close to the industry standard for electronic music creation. Your statement makes sense in the context of Photoshop, but I don't know if it translates to music
Agreed, was just giving an example. Also, the reason that the music industry isn't homogenous is not related to whether the programs were easy to crack, so I think we're on the same page.
Oh crap, I am the one to apologise here. You said "electronic music creation". When I read that quickly I didn't see the "electronic". My correction was unnecessary. Sorry!
Right but the employees are which can easily become your advocates for the service.l so Spotify and Best Buy/Target and such can partner easily. Also I'm sure customers notice Los Lonely Boys being played out...
You think the regular radio is bad? Try working in Electronics at Target and listening to the same 30 minute video over and over and over again 40 hours a week.
I get the point you and /u/usernamewillendabrup are making with Spotify not being directly related to an industry like digital design but what really disqualifies spotify as an enterprise service? The licensing is individual, sure, but I've seen plenty of people integrate it as part of their workflow while working for fortune 100 companies.
You're right. The Total Available Market is WAY bigger than any industry specific app!
slippy11 ยท 24 points ยท Posted at 15:16:32 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
But Adobe doesn't have to pay royalties to the music industry everytime someone uses Photoshop for all those years. So it doesn't make much sense for Spotify to allow that hoping for people to use it later.
How? You don't make anything with Spotify. Making it easier to crack doesn't give you allegiance to the platform, because it isn't like you're spending time learning professional tools in an environment you become loyal to.
Have you ever actually used a DAW or a production program like Photoshop? It's not at all analogous. Not even remotely. Switching from Spotify to Google Music is way less difficult than switching from Cubase to Logic (to use a music production example, since that's what I'm familiar with).
It makes sense if you think about it on even a basic level. The functionality you need is far more complex in an industry production program than in a music player.
I'm not sure how that matters, but I've used PS since CS3, and messed around in Ableton, Reason, and FL Studio
of course its easier to switch from spotify to google play music than it is between more complex apps like that... the only argument that is being made is that if you offer a free version of service, and people continue to use it for years, they are likely to continue using that if they are looking to upgrade to a premium paid service.
I see what you're saying, I'm just saying theres more incentive to stick with what you've got and pay for it when it's something like PS or a DAW... The people that can't shell out $5-10 for spotify premium are far more likely to just find another free solution.
It doesn't matter how difficult it is relative to making some other switch in some other field. What matters is that switching to GPM and rebuilding all of your playlists is more difficult than paying $10/mo (for many people).
I've worked in web dev as well so I see what you are saying, but it's inherently different. The creation isn't being done in Spotify as an application. I'm talking more about switching IDEs or something, to use a programming example (I'm not much of a programmer but I think that should clarify what I mean)
s73v3r ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 17:24:51 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Adobe doesn't have to pay every time a pirate uses their software. Spotify does.
yes that is just one of the differences, but I think the main point is about retaining a user base with familiarity. even if it costs more to do so on one platform than the other
Using Photoshop because it's what you're used to is vastly different because it's something that requires a lot of time and skill to master so it makes sense that you'd stick to it as your preferred software if it's what you've always used.
Using Spotify and any other music service doesn't have a steep learning curve. All you do is search for your music and start playing so it being "what you're used to" doesn't apply nearly as much as it does to using Photoshop.
People are used to using Spotify. They don't want the uncertainty and (possibly small, but they don't know that for sure) learning curve of switching to another service.
People have their playlists on Spotify. They don't want to go through the effort of rebuilding them all.
I wasnt talking about the what the app is used for, I was talking about how much or a learning curve there is to using it, there's a difference.
But if you want to use the original example I was arguing against as a way to make yourself sleep better at night when pirating a service, good for you.
s73v3r ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:25:34 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
If it fits so well, then what's Adobe's version of having to pay royalties every time a pirated copy of Photoshop is used?
Only customers who legitimately purchased CS2 or Acrobat 7 and need to maintain their current use of these products may use the serial numbers provided during the download.
So like you better watch out they might check if you really need "current use of these products" because otherwise big daddy adobe gonna come after you.
I don't think so, cs2 is ancient and outdated, that would be a random one for them to be giving away. But you can always download the current version of any of their programs and start a 30 day free trial. And if you're crafty there's ways to extend that
If I recall correctly, they have never profited. Spotify's days are limited and they will die overnight f they don't act fast. They need to diverge from music streaming and introduce more original content, obtain more exclusives, and start selling devices or products that have nice margins. If they don't do these things, they will remain unprofitable, uncompetitive, and stagnate. Wall Street will rip them apart.
Explain me something please, you may know that certain phone makers have their own music software and users are free to use it without any cost and can download just about any music they wish.
Is that stealing to you?
I'm just trying to make the point that some people happen to own models which includes stock software (mind you its proprietary to the phone maker) and that allows users to freely download music.
I'm not doing leaps or trying to justify others, I'm pointing out that there are many ways where people can acquire music for free in a legal way.
s73v3r ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 17:27:13 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
In that case, the manufacturer either paid up front for that, which means the price of those licenses is baked into the cost of the handset, or they're straight up encouraging piracy. The first is ok, the second isn't.
Like I said the app is embedded within the phone OS, its literally a stock app which cannot be uninstalled unless you flash the rom.
The only thing the app has which is paid doesn't even work which all it does is give you access to higher quality files.
IIRC this is the exact reason MS has free (mostly featured) versions of a lot of their development/server software.
You can get a site up and running on Windows Home using free versions of MSSQL and VS and have something thats fully functional without paying MS a dime. Get younger people hooked on using MS stack tools, and then companies start paying out for enterprise because thats where the skills are.
next generations of professionals are all on Photoshop.
Exaclty and the business has no problem footing the bill. Westlaw and Lexis do the same thing for law students and law schools (but more on the up and up).
They don't really? Nothing else comes close to Photoshop.
xorgol ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:34:23 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
PaintShop Pro is pretty similar, and traditionally has better vectorial support. So is Affinity Photo. Krita is also pretty good, but it has a somewhat different use-case.
For each of their apps there's a solid competitor, where they win is in the full creative suite, but most professionals only need a couple of them.
Competition sure, but nothing offers the total package of support, UI/UX, and features of Photoshop, thatโs why itโs industry leading, piracy isnโt anything to do with it
If anything itโs pirated a lot because itโs so good, it didnโt gain its industry position based on being stolen a lot
So... your logic is that Spotify should allow people to use the service without paying because at some point they might decide to start paying for it, for no obvious decent reason? Not sure about that. The ad-supported service already serves this purpose.
Jojje22 ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 21:06:22 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Especially as they're the middleman. Who cares that some bloke may be paying in a couple of years, they're paying for music that you're streaming right now.
st0j ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 14:43:27 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I just used that family plan with some randoms, I send them 40 Canadian a year and it's a great deal for me, been doing it for 2 years now.
s73v3r ยท 25 points ยท Posted at 17:23:50 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
No it fucking doesn't! Almost nobody is going to wake up one day and go, "Well, I've been pirating Spotify for several years now, but now I'm going to start paying money."
pythor ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 17:25:10 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It's kinda hilarious to me that you replied with this, when there are already several replies to me from people who did essentially that.
All during that time Spotify is losing money to him to license music and to support infrastructure. Spotify is not profiting and I'd rather have the service instead of letting some kid circumvent the system because he doesnt want ads or cant spare $5.
Qix213 ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 15:19:58 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I used to pirate everything. I was the early adopter of pirating. Every new Napster clone, etc.
I still hate ads, except I pay for it. Pandora, Netflix, YouTube Red, and HBO during Game of Thrones to get away from ads.
Now I only pirate things that I can't get in a fair way. Like live sports where the official online portal is garbage or limited to people who also pay for cable TV.
[deleted] ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 15:56:09 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Dude same thing with UFC Fight Pass! The blackouts on fight nights are ridiculous. I just use Tunnel Bear to stream from a country where it isn't blacked out because fuck you I'm not getting cable.
Qix213 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:06:31 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Exactly the same for major league soccer. The online severe if full of constant blackouts.
I live near SF. And I can't even watch Portland vs Seattle because it's on cable. If I had cable why the hell would I be paying for online viewing?
In case you did want to use it. It is incredibly stupid that if you move out of your home market, you get to watch games, but if you live in it, you don't. Plus MLB markets are unreasonably huge. Hundreds of miles from where the stadium is.
it's because they dont want to compete with cable. They don't want me, in philadelphia, not paying for cable to watch a bunch of phillie's games because the phillies want everyone in phillie to watch on cable. It makes sense. I live in Phillie and subscribe because I'm a Mets fan, and it blows because the Phils/Mets games are the ones I wanna watch the most. But I get it. They don't care if people out of market can now watch games, 'cause their cable wouldn't have carried it anyway.
Now I only pirate things that I can't get in a fair way. Like live sports where the official online portal is garbage or limited to people who also pay for cable TV.
My same philosophy now too. I have money, I'm willing to pay for stuff if it's convenient. Except for HBO though. I already have Netflix, Hulu, Prime, and YouTube Red (cause GPM includes it), I don't wanna buy another fucking service. I might have to though because HBO is the one that cracks down hard with reporting you for torrenting. So I guess they win...
JcmNOOT ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:19:15 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
That is exactly what happened to me and my friends. The hack didn't work anymore so we bought a subscription because we were so addicted.
Same here. I couldn't log in to the cracked app and promptly freaked the fuck out, thinking they had blocked my account (serves me right for cheaping a cheap fuck, but those playlists took a long time to make!). Thankfully it seemed like they had just found a way to circumvent the hack and stop me logging in, so I finally caved in and bought student premium. Well played Spotify.
This is 100% it. Now that I'm a working adult, I don't mind paying for stuff that I pirated/circumvented payment before. I pay for MS Office, Video Games, Google Play Music, Video Streaming services.
PhoneLa4 ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 14:31:05 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Honestly this, 10โฌ/month is not much for me as a student but it's still a choice between if i can eat pizza 2 or 3 times a month. Of course i will start paying for it when i graduate
xac1d ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 14:58:35 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
spotify has a student discount for i think $5/month
Spotify (at least in the US) has a pretty decent deal for students, currently. $5/month and you get free access to Hulu's limited commercial service. There's a verfication service it uses, but then it lasts for a year before the next verification.
Pizzas can be quality food here...But not for broke ass college students. Hell, might not even be able to afford Pizza Hut or Dominos (for the record, neither are quality). Instead you're stuck with cafeteria pizza...*shudders*
dulac91 ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 14:44:48 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
10$ a month is dirt cheap for what you get. yes i'm a musician and i'm biased because of it but just think of the cost of the music you listen to.
I mean so many people used to spend so much time with custom ROM and what not on Android but now a lot of them are stock or Lineage. Nobody I know is flashing the latest XDA whatever, even if it means being on Nougat instead of Oreo.
Well I mean, I was being cheeky, but the discussion was about paying for Spotify premium, so I didn't really understand what that had to do with people flashing customs ROMs. Is a custom ROM a popular way to go around Spotify's ads or something?
The priorities here are amazing. I burn 10 bucks between Apple Music and Spotify a month. Add in 10 for my iCloud Drive, another 10 on Netflix. 30 bucks a month well spent on my services. I simply cut back on my shit meals or splurging on food (food is still one of my biggest expenses outside of rent).
s73v3r ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:35:25 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I honestly don't get this idea that you're entitled to Spotify for free.
PhoneLa4 ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 17:53:34 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I didnt make spotify free, im just blocking the ads just like we all are on e.g. Youtube
s73v3r ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:10:47 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
So you made it free. Again, why are you entitled to free Spotify?
That's only worthwhile when as a company they're not worried about short term survival, though. I have a feeling Spotify is concerned about that, it's a cutthroat industry.
I can attest to this, when I started working I started paying for Spotify, but before in highschool I struggled with ads and shuffle play.
oklar ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:41:18 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Uhh. So supposedly zero of the ten million are going to convert to paying, but a significant amount of people are going to do the above? And therefore Spotify shouldn't do this? These arguments are absolutely ridiculous
quotey ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:25:25 on March 25, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The thing is that it leads to new customers later.
Or it leads to people using Spotify free for 2 years, then signing up for Youtube Red, where they get Google Music included.
[deleted] ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 14:07:46 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It's less publicity for Spotify. If I'm using a hacked version of Spotify to play music and someone asks me what service I'm using, I'm simply going to say Spotify.
I'm not sure why I'm getting downvoted. /u/seth_efrican said he's not seeing the downside. All I'm giving is the downside...nothing else.
That's because the choices of obtaining music back in the day was pay for an album for maybe a few tracks you actually end up liking or pirate it.
Not to mention the price of an album was the same price, if not more, than the cost of Spotify.
The monthly fee for Spotify is so damn cheap for what you get in return that I can't believe people still prefer to use ad free hacks on it.
And this is coming from someone that used to pirate 90% of my music.
For me at least, "back in the day" music was less single driven so buying an album wasn't less about getting a few songs I like and more about getting a bunch of new music from a band I like.
Albums today feel less cohesive than previous years often mixing a bunch of styles together in hopes that one of them will be a hit.
tambukey ยท -7 points ยท Posted at 15:29:39 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yes spotify is cheap. But everything adds up. I turned to alternatives to save a few bucks here and there to pay off stupid huge student loans. I use a universal adblock on my phone with a host file of a couple thousand known ad sites. Basically no app on my phone has access to those sites. Ads are the sole reason I will never stop making sure I don't see ads. They ruin websites, they ruin streaming services, they ruin everything we do online because they are always intrusive, stupid loud, auto-play, content blocking crap. If we went back to just side banners, or the like I wouldn't care as much, but with how shitty ads got on all platforms and apps I won't stand for it.
[deleted] ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 16:03:26 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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tambukey ยท -9 points ยท Posted at 16:43:40 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You ever actually look at where the money goes for services like Spotify? Not much ever makes it to the artists/ songwriters. When I like artists, I go to shows, donate on their own sites, actually buy their albums, etc.(granted that doesn't always mean they get most of it). When you learn how to support the actual artists/song writers, blocking ads isn't a big deal. This site does well at explaining the entire system. It doesn't show numbers, but you can research more of that yourself. We all have our own morals. I choose to support the artists as directly as possible. I own most of what i listen to, but when I am away from home it's a little tougher to bring that with me.
But you didn't have to pay for access to albums every single month and then have that access revoked upon nonpayment. You paid once and had the album for life. You used the idea of paying for a full album just because you like one or two tracks. Spotify is the same way because you're paying for the entire music library instead of just what you listen to. Actually, it's worse than buying albums because you're pretty much paying more over the course of your lifetime without seeing any additional benefit for having paid 1000 dollars versus 100 dollars. The only difference is that by paying more, you have longer access. That is the definition of renting.
Itโs not taboo at all, itโs just too hard for people who arenโt tech savvy. People arenโt going to learn how to torrent and they certainly arenโt going to usegroups or private IRC channels
This is why streaming piracy is far more important to content companies than torrents now, the ease of use and accessibility of stream piracy makes it a lot more widespread. See:Kodi on FireTV
It's not too hard, it's just easy to pay for services now. People used to pirate music when there was no way to conveniently buy it. The vast majority of people still pirate content such as game of thrones in countries where it's not easily available legally, like Australia. Not too hard after all eh
OK_Soda ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:10:08 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, I don't think it has to do with being tech savvy, it was always just about price and convenience, and it's become more convenient to just pay for things than jump through all the hoops needed to steal them.
OK_Soda ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:08:40 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
No, it is somewhat taboo. Pirating used to be, like, something you did because things were too expensive and too hard to get, and also we all hated the publishing companies so it was this cool rebellious thing. Now, streaming is incredibly cheap and absurdly convenient, much more so than finding a trustworthy VPN and scrounging around for well-seeded torrents, and I don't think anyone really hates Spotify or Netflix the way they hated the RIAA.
I have a friend who makes very good money and pays for Hulu but pirates Netflix, and whenever he mentions pirating Stranger Things or whatever, everyone jumps on his case. It's like, what, you can't afford $10 to support unlimited, on-demand stuff you like?
yeah no way in hell would people not mention that they're using pirated/ hacked versions, pirates love bragging about it for some reason.
dubman42 ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 16:00:16 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
That's not always true.
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 16:05:32 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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dubman42 ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 16:14:11 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Well, I pay for my subscription, because it's more convenient to do so. But that's not the point. Just because someone is pirating doesn't imply they will tell everyone how to do it. Some will, but your statement is not always true. I'm also not arguing that piracy is OK.
As someone who pays for Spotify, they are in the right on this one. Screw "negative publicity"; the thieves deserve to be shamed in this case. If you're going to pirate, go steal MP3s the old fashioned way. Stealing service is different, even though they're both bad. Spotify has to pay artists for each play, so that's 2 Million people leeching off of them.
Edit: Clarification on "Go steal MP3s instead" below.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:06:26 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Do you feel the same way about ad-blocking, because that's essentially what's happening here? Should everyone running uBlock be shamed for not paying for content?
"This way of stealing is bad, this way of stealing is better, but they're both bad" Solid logic.
Developers of games have multiple times released their games on pirating platforms, and seen increase in profit. So your argument, based on your opinion, is not valid.
Yes, one version of stealing is just duplicating bits. The other is costing a service an amount of money per play (artist fee and server costs) which, while tiny, adds up over time.
Are you really trying to justify stealing Spotify service? You also conveniently ignored the fact that Spotify pays artists per play. When you play a video game, the developers usually aren't paying someone every time you fire up the game; that's the difference. 2 million people playing multiple songs multiple times costs a lot of money. Stealing a finished product is different than continuously stealing service; it's like robbing a bank once vs robbing a bank every month.
If you buy an MP3, the artist is paid once. If you buy Spotify service, the artist is paid continuously (assuming multiple, regular plays). Therefore, you stealing a finished product (an MP3) is different than you stealing service (pay per play via Spotify). Spotify is a business, not a charity. My original point was that there should be no "negative publicity" for them simply protecting themselves.
When I freelance, I take cash or check. I don't accept exposure, publicity, good will, resume padding...yeah, pretty much just cold hard cash.
Same shit right here.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:34:47 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Oh that's funny...I don't remember saying that publicity replaces cash.
rugtoad ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:47:50 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
K, I think I get what you're saying...they are out something...
The question comes down to whether or not what they are out is worth what they get by taking this action. I mean, when you listen to a song, that costs Spotify money. Not a lot of money, but enough such that it certainly adds up.
Here's the other side of it: If it gets out that there are ways to use Spotify's premium features without paying for them, and that Spotify does jack shit to prevent this, do you think that more people will go this route of not paying? If all things were equal, if I could get exactly the same service, then there are some pretty compelling reasons to just not pay and use whatever mechanisms I can to get those premium features for free.
And while it never hurts to have publicity, the kind we're talking about here is pretty narrow. We're talking about word-of-mouth...which may well come with something like "Oh and by the way, I know it says you have to pay 10 bucks a month, but here's how you can get around that".
So I don't really expect that they will see a whole lot of conversion from "person who heard about spotify from a friend" to "paying subscriber" or even "ad-consuming subscriber" in this scenario.
Ultimately, Spotify has to protect their product and their platform from people who misuse it. And that's what we're talking about here, we're talking about people who try to figure out a way to use the service without either paying directly or paying through ad consumption...two things that break the terms of service and cost Spotify money.
From everything they've said to the public, they don't exactly have a whole lot of breathing room in their margins, and what's more...artists themselves tend to get screwed over the most through Spotify's model.
In the end, I don't think there actually is a real downside to Spotify keeping their platform locked down. They may lose people who aren't paying for their service, I guess...but that's a net-positive. With that, they are no longer paying to deliver the content without any kind of return. The publicity they might lose isn't likely to give them much return for what it costs. And making sure that the world knows that they will protect their business model and platform is worth a quite a bit itself as well.
Shit, they are getting a ton of publicity right now specifically by locking things down.
You are probably the same kind of person who bitches about clubs who don't pay their bands because they get 'publicity' b playing there...
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:08:21 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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Iohet ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 14:23:12 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
People that actively go out of their way to install methods to circumvent ads aren't likely in any major capacity to opt back in to ads given the choice
[deleted] ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 16:10:10 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Subscriber numbers matter to investors. If you kicked off 2M people at once, that is still a 2M user loss. That's 2M people that could have been converted to paying customers who may go to a competitor. That's 2M people recommending music to friends and family (paying customers). I mean, its not much different from Netflix being neutral about users sharing their account. Growth matters.
[deleted] ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 16:13:57 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 16:55:52 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
blocking ads while costing the company money is not a positive.
So I take it you don't use an ad-blocker on your browser.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:27:14 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:02:19 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Customer retention is far better than customer acquisition. Getting brand new customers is going to be far harder than just finding ways to convert existing customers familiar with the brand and service.
Spotify is probably the only service where I would pay in this case. The only reason is that I have there my playlist of 1000+ songs.
However, their ads is one of the worst and I'll continue blocking as long as I can. I had ads enabled for some time. Then they started playing 2 ads in a row. Well fuck that. Turned blocking back on.
dubman42 ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 15:59:37 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Active users is a metric used to value the company. Turning them away isn't good for business. Neither is pissing them off with ear-bleeding ads, but the point still stands.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 17:59:59 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Totally agree. But pissing off your non-paying users is not an effective way to covert them to paying users.
rman320 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 19:02:01 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
They aren't looking to convert those users, they just want them to stop accessing content they haven't paid for.
dubman42 ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 19:45:20 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Right. And pushing ads with increased volume only incentivizes those users to seek a work around, and as you correctly stated, will also fail at converting those users to paying customers.
It shuts the door on potential new customers. There's a lot of people who might be considered in the category of "never going to pay", but it's a grey area, and the decision to "never pay" may be based on not having enough information about the service.
Think of Netflix. My cousin gave me access to use their Netflix account and I'd watch it occasionally as well as keep an eye on new shows added to their system. Previously, I wouldn't have considered subscribing to Netflix. Eventually, my cousin ended their Netflix subscription and I started one of my own. Netflix made it relatively easy to access their content and because of that, I was able to see for myself that it was worth subscribing to, so I did. If Netflix had taken a hardline instead, I would not be bothering with their service.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:07:09 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Banning them requires time, effort, and some money. You also risk banning some legitimate users because you forgot about that one "temporary" license check hotfix made a few years ago or something like that.
There is a downside though, a very real one and the only one that matters. Social efficacy takes over as people turn away from Spotify because their friends bad mouth it it don't use it at all.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:08:37 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
That's fine. Every song the pirates pay costs Spotify money. It's not free for Spotify to stream the music to the pirates. They not only pay to make the stream work with their CDNs, but have to pay royalties.
Noshi18 ยท 45 points ยท Posted at 15:35:00 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Spotify still has to pay the artist if you bypass the ads, these 2 million users are a cost to them, and that makes no business sense. It's better to not have them.
Doesn't matter if they are going to pay or not, it saves Spotify precious server power if they quit spotify entirely after getting banned. Those people didn't do anything good anyway.
s73v3r ยท 23 points ยท Posted at 17:23:02 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
So let them. Those people are moochers. And worst of all, those moochers are actually costing Spotify money. Spotify has to pay for the songs the moochers are streaming, and the bandwidth to stream those songs.
I seriously don't get this idea that companies should bend over backwards for the moochers. "But they wouldn't be paying customers anyway!" isn't a good reason to cater to them.
How bout it's the same fucking ad over and over again. I don't mind ads, some of my favorite skits come from ads(I'm a slippery sheet of ice) but shit advertisement is just that.
This I why I made the jump to ad-free Hulu. I wouldn't mind the ads if it wasn't the same thing 3 times per episode while I'm trying to binge an entire season. It makes me want to boycott your product out of spite.
I have Hulu through a spotify student deal and they keep playing ads for the show I'm currently watching. I'm going to drop Hulu when that deal ends though. Ad free is too expensive and I don't use it enough. I already have a few other services.
Totally understandable. To me, the $13 is worth having ad-free access to a bunch of adult swim original shows, then everything else included is just bonus.
OK_Soda ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:12:14 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
And at least one of them is always a pharmaceutical ad for a condition I don't have. I wouldn't even mind seeing the same ad 3 times per episode if it was fucking relevant.
That's how Hulu's been for me lately. They're the same ads over and over again. At least give me some variety so I don't wanna bash my head against the wall.
I think I would continue using Spotify but with my pc connected to another speaker and my phone so I could skip as many songs as I like and have the random off and controlling from my phone.
So basically everything I have with premium except the ads
Edit: actually, that's what I did for some months that I couldn't pay
It shouldn't be that hard to see "last song played" and then measure what the average db level of that track was and then match the ad to that exact level, should it?
I only use Spotify because I have Premium with my phone plan so I've never experienced an ad-version of it but that seems like an easy fix.
Spotify has to pay for every song they stream, in this case they don't care about conversion rate, they just need to block the users leeching off the system.
ReggieJ ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:32:14 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
but the people they are banning are not going to pay for the subscription they will either find another way or another app.
Citation needed. I see this being stated as fact pretty much on all threads of this type and never anything sources to back it up.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:56:20 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Dude one of their ads used to be a fucking car crash or car horns blaring like a crash is about to happen or some shit. While I'm god damn driving. What the ever living fuck. I have panicked atleast 10 times to that god damn ad.
This is not a bad idea. A lot of the people who are not paying for services like Spotify are young who can't afford to. If you push them to another platform like Google Play, then by the time that they CAN afford to pay for services they'll have already switched.
IMO companies like Spotify should go way heavier on discounts for young people. Not just the basic 'Student Discount' shit, grab that audience young so by the time they've got a full-time job they'll stick with your platform and pay the sticker price.
I actually paid for it after Dogfood Core got pulled. Thought "fuck it, it's more convenient than having to deal with local files all the time"
I still have local files which I use Retro Player for, my Spotify playlist which is basically a replica of what I have locally, and I pretty much switch between them.
Now I've figured out how to get local files to work with premium, my local files aren't gonna get used much
I'm so glad I'm not the only one. I don't really like extra loud ads for hip hop showing up while I'm listening to classical piano. I pay for premium now because I like to download music for long drives but man those ads would aggravate me.
The ad based system doesnโt really work.. itโs a money losing endeavour. I would assume itโs there to show people the system and hopefully annoy them enough to go to the paid system.
Its honestly not when the point is to get people to go premium. The annoying ads are what made me go premium. I couldnt stand those loud obnoxious ads that constantly played. I said fuck it, and never looked back
Agreed. When using spotify I have no problem listening to the native ads or musical ones, but when it's a very loud horror movie ad playing every 4-5 songs in the middle of my 'feel good' playlist they are literally giving me no other choice but to either move onto a different client or just bypassing the ads somehow.
Best solution for Spotify is to improve their ads so they arn't so jarring, listening to a song and then having an ad blast on with a completely differn't tone and volume level is really jarring.
Not only that but more variety and less self indulgent. I swear Spotifiy's own ads are the worst of the lot.
It will be interesting to see how they handle paying customers in the lower bracket, who pay to get rid of ads but still use hacked apps to circumvent shuffle play.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:47:33 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The ads are jarring so you will buy a subscription. That's why I did anyway.
You notice how almost ads these days are to get Spotify premium? Theyโve probably crunched the numbers and found they make more by getting someone to go to premium than by playing them adverts.
Well they can just make a youtube playlist and enjoy a no ads experience.
What Jim? No, seriously? You kidding me right? Ok folk it seems there ARE ads on youtube, just no one in their right mind and with an adblocker has seen any in a few years.
Doheki ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:00:25 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Ugh, one time I legitimately had an ad that was something like a train crashing and derailing and it was loud as bell and they were like wasn't that disrupting? Buy Spotify premium.
We interrupt your "lofi hip hop radio - beats to relax/study to" playlist to bring you commercials for Spotify Premium, which we are promoting with obnoxious country music for some reason!
heck, i listen to ads on the desktop app because i can choose what plays, they remove the shuffle play only on free mobile i'm sure plenty would drop the modded versions just to have auto-updates that don't break the app.
This article actually brought to my attention that I could get around the ads and I just installed a modded APK. Bringing publicity to this is the worst thing they can do
I was using Spotify Dogfood, as were a couple others in my extended family. After it was blocked, I tried the free version, and we ended up buying a family package, so it's not all a loss to them
Also have a wider range of ads. I hear the diet coke ad 25 times a day at work, I am now less likely to buy the product, more likely to avoid any thing with Gillian Jacobs in it, and I've gotten an adblock at home when I didn't before because I got so sick of it.
I can see why they would want to ban that, but the people they are banning are not going to pay for the subscription they will either find another way or another app.
I bought a share in family access because of bans. Spotify isn't available in Russia yet, and US subscription 9.99 is more than I could afford for music per month.
Banning people from a system where it takes ~30 seconds to make a new account is pointless. The next day they'll be back with a new account and their playlists ported over.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:59:42 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The volume thing is illegal in Germany. Not that spotify or twitch care..
I can see why they would want to ban that, but the people they are banning are not going to pay for the subscription they will either find another way or another app.
Except that means those people will never pay, and will continue to avoid ads, so there's no loss when spotify bans someone who is only taking.
It'd be one thing if it's like a single player only game. Well Johnny stole the game, but (you can make the case) he's not hurting us.
However Spotify STILL has to pay for bandwidth and servers to support 2 million people that aren't paying at all for the content. That's a problem. It might be acceptable to build a user base, but Spotify has the user base.
People are running around saying "But the grow the user base"... no they don't. I really hate when people think it's ok to steal and rationalize it by "We tell other people about stuff." .... fucking hell.
also let the user select the song they want to hear. just load it up with ads to make your $$ back. ppl are more likely to convert if they can create and listen to playlists they want to hear even if it is ad-laden in the free version.
The thing that gets me is that the features you get suck and the ads are 20minutes long. Throw me a 5-10 sec long ad after a song or two and I'm fine. Don't blast that shit louder than the music. Fade it in nicely.
Thatโs kind of hard to do . It would require the app to recognize different master levels of each track and then adjust accordingly. What if you change songs midplay? What if you close the app ? Music is enjoyable to us because we all listen to stuff thatโs been mastered for a set like an album, EP, LP and while mastering isnโt just about the volume, that definitely plays a factor . Sure, singles are mastered as well but even Apple has tried to implement a volume check and honestly I donโt hear it work that well. And thatโs building into hardware. Iโm not saying it canโt be done but as an audio engineer I just see too many variables to track and match . Maybe if they could build in a software compressor that takes maybe the last 2 songs youโve listened to and dropped down the dB output to match that average but like I said , itโs hard to do because the app would have to be analyzing or at the very least , keep a data base on file in the cloud of each songs output and adjust the ads to match . You say to turn it down but what if you were listening to metal on 11? Itโs jarring only when youโre at one volume but the ad ( which is usually independently made ) was mastered at another. Iโll tell you this, any songs that were mastered for Spotify in mind usually donโt have this issue as I believe Spotify has requirements just like โMastered for iTunesโ does . But I could be wrong. Just going on my knowledge of how levels of audio work, and what it would take , this is my opinion.
Once they started blocking the main apps I realized $5 a month isn't worth losing my Spotify account over, an account with playlists and songs saved from years.
When Spotify threatened to ban all users who were using a modded Spotify APK on Android to choose songs rather than being limited purely to shuffle-only playback, it did convince me to pay for a subscription...
... to YouTube Red.
Both are $10 per month, which I thought was too much for just music. There was no way I was going to pay for Spotify. I used it purely because it was free. I didn't mind the ads. It was the lack of being able to pick and choose what song I listened to on mobile that drove me to using a modded APK.
So once I was forced to pay for something, Youtube Red was the easy choice. Not only do I get music streaming, but it comes with a bigger library than Spotify which included a lot more things like covers, and acoustic versions of songs, but I also get ad-free Youtube videos which I watch tons of, and original content from Youtube? No brainer.
klesus ยท -9 points ยท Posted at 16:20:39 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I am guilty of using ad-free non-subscription Spotify. But I wouldn't say that I use it very much for listening to music, it's mostly as a bookmarking tool for songs I hear on the radio.
My personal reasons for not going premium is that my dream is to create a competing service where music always is free of charge, no ads. Compared to that Spotify is just bad service. As the years pass I'm getting further and further away from realizing it so I may remain a freeloading asshat forever, but all I can say is that what I want to do is somewhat similar to amuse.io.
No service should revolve around annoying their customers into premiums. But that is exactly what Spotify does. AFAIK there are three downsides with not having a subscription; Ads, Shuffle-only and limited skips. If ads are supposed to make up for non paying users, then why are 4/5 ads from Spotify themselves? No revenue can be made if the service provider is the one paying for the ads.
The shuffle is only there as a major inconvenience, nothing else. It is made so you can't pick and choose what songs you want to listen to, but it's not impossible to choose play individual tracks, it's just a pain in the ass round-about way to do it. But it's also inconsistent, you get shuffle only on mobile, but on PC you can play any song you like, any time. Same thing with limited skips as well, which only would make sense with Shuffle-mode limitation in the first place I guess. But it's just another example of Spotify's business-model of being shitheads by delivering shittier service to non paying customers rather than delivering better service to those who do.
Disagreeing with their business-model doesn't make blocking ads OK, I know that. But doing so fortunately only violates their user agreement, it's nothing illegal, so I can at least live with myself.
[deleted] ยท 321 points ยท Posted at 15:40:26 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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JnBootz ยท 89 points ยท Posted at 18:08:34 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not hating for your decision to use alternatives but honestly, I am extremely happy with my spotify premium and I've been happily paying for about a year. Can't say that for a lot of apps these days.
-Limited skips. Probably the least offensive thing about it, and I understand itโs inclusion
-ANNOYING and intrusive ads, usually louder than the song you were listening to or begging for you to buy premium
-Forced shuffle for all of your music
-โRecommendingโ songs for you to listen to by automatically playing them whenever you listen to an artist/album
[deleted] ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 22:30:31 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
so you want the premium version... but without paying...
The free version is meant to be limited. It's a demo into spotify.
Well the free version doesn't have shuffle on PC, care to explain that?
[deleted] ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 23:32:35 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Their largest listening base is mobile, hence why PC and Tablets have no shuffle limit. What they're trying to do is lure you in so you listen to all the music from PC and then when you leave the house, you remember that you don't have the same playlist available, so you eventually end up paying for it.
KalenXI ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:46:36 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Originally the free version only existed on the PC. The mobile apps required a subscription. When they added a free tier to the mobile app they decided not to make the same mistake that landed them with an unsustainable amount of free users since the amount they make from the ads doesn't cover the licensing fees for free users. I also wonder if it's a way to keep licensing costs down for free users since typically services that don't allow users to select songs a la carte (like Pandora) pay lower licensing fees than those that allow users to listen to anything they want.
No I donโt want the premium version for free, I want a USER FRIENDLY free version
Nan0Cr3y ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 21:19:15 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You're severely limited in using Spotify.. you can't skip to the next track after a few or even skip around in a track (e.g if you're just looking for a certain song and want to skip the intro) or play a specific track in an album - you can only shuffle
Edit: to the people downvoting for answering a question - go try it on a free account
It's also about who Spotify varies its free model per platform. On PC you get unlimited skips, can listen to any song you want. The drawback there is that you can't save them offline and you get ads on a regular basis. On Mobile however you get bombarded with ads but can do non the above. You are limited to 5 skips per hour (or something like that) your only option is to shuffle your playlist/album. That would be somewhat fine if Spotify weren't to throw in songs you don't have listened to even once from artists that aren't even closely related to the genre your playlist is based on. So from your 10 track album you get 2 songs from the actual album. 3 you skip because you don't want some popmusic in your electronic dance mix. 3 skips gone and only 10 minutes of music so far. Seems great doesn't it?
Yeah, I know the free version is a pain on mobile. But still... it's free. It's not meant to be great, it's meant to be a teaser for the real thing. Spotify knows the most used platform is mobile, so obviously they will limit it more than on PC. Having access to millions of songs is not meant to be free. If you want full albums and uninterrupted music, you pay. Just like on radio, you don't want ads? You get SiriusXM and pay.
I was not aware Spotify had a PC interface. I play Spotify all day, everyday through my bluetooth-connected Bose mini.
I went with the paid subscription from the moment that I switched from primarily Pandora (which I also pay for because my wife prefers that) to Spotify. I haven't heard an ad in like 5 years (when listening to music) and its been amazing
peteftw ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:50:52 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
A family plan is $15/mo. Split it 5 ways or whatever the max is.
โI love Spotify and listen to it all the timeโ but I refuse to pay for this service. Wtf kind of logic is this?
[deleted] ยท 22 points ยท Posted at 17:49:51 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
If it's free and the company allows you to keep listening it for free, that's on the company. This user is still listening to ads on their PC, so spotify is still creating some revenue from them. More people would be inclined to pay for a service if the free version was not drastically different, or shit, which is happening here with the app on the phone.
All that will end up happening is Spotify will just discontinue their free app if people keep getting round the system and then you'll be forced to pay.
You know what they're getting at. They mean Spotify gets paid by them keeping the free version, due to advertisement, as opposed to people modifying or blocking the adverts which are so poorly implemented.
Hear, hear. I recently wanted to suggest Spotify to a friend and the mobile version is unbearable, i want to play a single song you piece of crap... why can you do the simplest of things.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:49:44 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
That's how they work -- annoy you enough to pay else you enjoy free service and bear with the annoyances.
I think it's fair enough. You have like what, 300 million songs at your disposal for free? An outlandish view I know.
To me theres a difference. adblockers on browsers also increase your security, while running a hacked apk lowers it. Also spotify offers a paid service to remove ads, there is no legitimate universal paid service to remove all website ads. Finally, a lot of websites make money through other ways, referrals, selling data, sponsored content, etc.
Huge difference, Spotify on some level is paying royalties even if very small every time a song is played or as a one time purchase. Almost like they are a reseller. When you use Thier service and block ads you kinda are legitimately stealing $ from them.
No, do websites pay royalties per view to other companies? Maybe they do I don't know. Spotify does not own Thier content. I don't know why I bother. Trying to say people should pay for content on Reddit is just a waste of time. Everything should be free for everyone because it's on the internet.
[deleted] ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 16:54:36 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 17:05:07 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
No, it's entitlement to think you should be able to make use of others' content/services (which costs them money to create and serve to you) without allowing them to support themselves. If you think a website is using shady practices, just don't use it. They don't owe it to you to serve you content for free.
they get the privilege of using the internet as much as I do. In a fair world, businesses should be shutdown for being dishonest or breaking rules because they have to break even.
gidoca ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:53:37 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
But streaming services pay per played song. Writing an article costs the same no matter how many people look at it.
thats not how stealing works. nothing was lost. potential revenue does not exist its hypothetical. its more like the taxi that took you to the concert gave you a coupon that was due to expire he wasnt going to use anyway. so you didnt have to pay the entry fee. The show still went on as it always would have with all the costs pre planned. just a miniscule absence of potential revenue. I rarely reach my full potential
No they pay royalties, you listen to a song someone outside of Spotify receives money for that song. If you circumvent Thier method to make money and pay those royalties what would you call it?
Surely Spotify receives sufficient revenue from the free users who do see the ads to offset not only the royalties payable but also cover the free users who block ads? If not, and the shortfall has to be made up from the subscriptions, then their business model for the free tier is flawed.
Soooo they make enough money on other people it's ok for You to do what you want? Someone that embezzled money could use the same justification. Whatever makes you feel better. It's morally wrong. God knows I've got loose morals, I just don't pretend like it's ok.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 17:03:23 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
This argument only holds water when you make a copy of files.
There's nothing "potential" about this. When you stream from a cracked Spotify account, they are paying for all the same server infrastructure to deliver that song that they would for a paid account, and they are also still forced to pay the artist each time the song is streamed, regardless of whether or not the stream was legitimate or not. They only budget so much of that to come from free users, and keep those costs down and controlled by using playlists instead of pick-and-play like the premium service can, and by using advertisements (which of course people will find ways to block as well).
So yes, I'm going to go ahead and say this is blatantly stealing, because the company is actually taking a genuine (not potential or "I wouldn't have bought it anyway") loss each time a user streams from a cracked app, and those losses will add up eventually.
Not crying any tears for a large company or anything like that, I'm just saying that this fits the definition pretty well.
its comparable to riding a train for free. Which i think homeless people or people who missed their train should be allowed to do. the train costs are the same regardles theres plenty empty seats. it's not stealing because nothing is being taken.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 17:22:42 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
No, it's comparable to riding a train that pays for its electricity, fuel, and other costs on a per-person basis and each person is counted (and assumed to have paid for their fare).
It is stealing in that actual money is being paid for someone to obtain something for free. This is not making a copy of a file where one can hide behind "I wouldn't have bought it anyway, can't count me as a lost sale".
I don't really have an issue with piracy, one way or another. If you want to, go right ahead, I won't judge. I just don't think there's really much "justification" for it under most circumstances.
i'm not justifying i just decided to throw my hat in the ring and be pedantic about stealing and theft definitions. its a complex subject. ive enjoyed it
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:53:15 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
In this case, there is nothing to be pedantic about. Using a cracked Spotify app is directly stealing from Spotify.
It certainly doesn't bother me i have no connection to spotify. I've had a great discussion with many users in this thread about why its not technically stealing. its freeloading. Also my joining in this discussion does not implicate me as someone using a "cracked spotify" i didn't know they even existed i thought people were referring to the web play with adblock pro. i am being pedantic about the definition of stealing. and i think i've made my case well
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:04:22 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not saying you are someone who uses the cracked app. And the "web play" is irrelevant because the desktop app doesn't place any restrictions on pick and play.
I'm saying your pedantry concerning the definition of stealing is not relevant and does not apply to this situation whatsoever. I realize you think you've "made your case well" but your case has nothing to do with this.
you said: "blatantly stealing" it's not it's freeloading at most. that is where and why i joined in the discussion. it's part of this discussion it has something to do with this. web play is not irrelevant it is a spotify User interface thats advertisments can be avoided with adblocking. you keep saying stealing but stealing has nothing to do with this. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freeloading
edit: i made my case better in other replies than our chain
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:20:11 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
No, it is stealing. The experience of streaming the song is supposed to be paid for before being experienced. You are bypassing the paying part and experiencing it anyway. Unlike the "file copying" argument where you can say "there was no guarantee I was going to buy it, so I cannot be counted as a lost sale", Spotify must pay for the rights of the holder each time you stream that song.
You are stealing a service that they have to pay for each time you experience it without paying them. This is completely different.
Web play is irrelevant because Spotify's primary market comes from mobile users. There is a reason why you can pick and play what you want on the desktop, and that's because Spotify doesn't "lose" a lot of money there and people that experience the desktop client want that same experience on their phone.
Even if you insist on focusing on the web part and simply adblocking, you're still stealing from them in that the ads are supposed to be used to cover the cost of streaming to you for free, because while the stream may be free to you, they still have to pay the artist each time, and they still have to pay all the server infrastructure that it takes to get the song to you.
This is literally actively taking something of monetary value from a company that actively feels a very real (albeit, small or otherwise) loss, not a "potential" loss.
Trying to relabel it as "freeloading at most" doesn't change that at all. Freeloading is still a form of theft, it's just used to convey a softer tone of frustration and disappointment than outright calling it "stealing".
If your friends freeload off your Netflix account, they are stealing from you. Pure and simple. You may not call it that, because they're your friends, because it's not a big deal, because they don't use it that often, whatever excuse there is, but its still the literal definition of stealing.
Nope you just have a very broad definition of stealing and its not applicable here. And you keep implying im doing any of this im not im just having a discussion online. Netflix encourage multiple users they just limit how many can actively use it simultaneously. Certainly not theft nothing was taken. You know what its like its most comparable to a street performer. Its in the public domain its accessible without restriction. Its been published without restriction. Ad blockers are a browser add on. Its like blocking your ears when the street performer promotes his paid weekly show at the pub. You were freely able to listen to the show and the advert and you chose not to listen to his pitch . Listening to the streat performer is optional and as is taking out your ear plugs to listen to a sales pitch.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:54:19 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Nope you just have a very broad definition of stealing and its not applicable here.
No, the definition of stealing is taking something that is meant to be compensated for, without compensating anyone. Doesn't matter how complex the compensation is.
And you keep implying im doing any of this im not im just having a discussion online.
Allow me to stop this misconception right now, as you seem to be taking this personally. I am not implying that you are using Spotify with blocked ads, or that you are using a cracked Spotify. When I use the word "you", I'm referring to the hypothetical "you", not literally you.
The rest of your post is a bunch of meaningless out-of-context prose that has nothing to do with the point at hand.
To simplify it down; Spotify offers "free" access to their music on web and on mobile, with stipulations that it expects you to abide by. It's part of the ToS you agree to when you sign up for it.
On the web, you're expected to be okay with advertising that is used directly to pay for the cost of paying the artists every time you stream, and to help pay for the infrastructure used to deliver the stream to you, a non-paying customer.
When you block ads, you are depriving them of that compensation. When you deprive someone of compensation for something and take that something anyway, you are stealing it. When we talk about whether or not there's a "loss" involved, in this case, there is, because Spotify's net change is negative; they not only pay for the infrastructure to deliver you that stream, they have to pay each artists you listen to.
This isn't hard, but your post reeks of justification and rationalization. I think we're at a point where you're arguing something that's not relevant and I don't really know if there's anything to be gained by clarifying it once more.
I believe that definition is slightly biasly worded in your favour. Thanks for addressing that and i made the same mistake in a discussion somwhere below. My mistake for taking it personally. I think an ad view is a hypothetical potential earning they may never have attained. Its not meaningless it was an analogy i was using to make my point. I appologise for using these examples that from your perspective are incoherent ramblings. It doesnt perfectly mirror stealing an apple from a market. So im trying to make it fit. Its super complex and i think the discussion has been worthwhile. Id say my post smells just fine :p but perhaps this argument stance of mine does have implied grander opinions. Although i dont wish to discuss my character at any length. I stopped commenting on reddit because debate would rile me up but this thread ive jumped in and stayed quite calm throughout. Im really content with that. I take on board the words you have said and all though we may not share opinions we share this planet and not sure what time zone youre in but its the weekend planet wide so have a good one :)
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:41:41 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Sorry, I got kind of aggressive too. I could have definitely toned it down.
Hey, absolutely zero hard feelings whatsoever. I do not think any less of you or anything like that.
It's Friday, after all, you enjoy your weekend too!
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:53:01 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
That's like saying taking pop from a fast food joint without paying isn't stealing because the loss is so miniscule. It's still stealing.
On top of that, streaming has costs associated to listens. Internet bandwidth isn't free.
no that is stealing because it is taking something. please refer to this image https://memset.files.wordpress.com/2010/10/piracy-vs-theft.jpg . potential revenue may never have been achieved. They have not neccesarily even missed out on add revenue as the person may not have chose to listen with ads. so it is ad revenue they never would have gotten. and the infrastructure costs for that single song broadcast is even more microscopic. it wasn't stolen though it just didn't reach its potential
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:14:16 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
That's a hilariously pedantic way to look at it. So it might not be stealing but it's still against the law and it's still consuming something without an exchange of value. Okay.
also sorry to reply twice. but ive made this point with my gf a few discussions recently. the law isn't the best moral compass. It would be illegal for me to take in the homeless in my area. it's legal for the bank to charge you ยฃ25 for being 0.10 over drawn. its a crazy world.
It's been a few years since I learned about it, so I might be a little wrong about some of the details, but there was a psychologist who saw six levels of moral development. The lowest tiers were fear of punishment and the desire for rewards. The middle two levels had to do with understanding that rules and laws serve a purpose, and you should follow them because society is better when people follow the rules, and you have a duty to be a good citizen (moral philosophers call this social contract theory). The top levels of development involved the ability to transcend the law and see when rules and laws should be broken.
that's really interesting, thanks for sharing. may aid me in future debates
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 17:53:13 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I've also defended overdraw and NSF fees before as well but whatever.
That homeless thing is insane though. It's not like there's even a registry for homeless people. Plus, who's to say you didn't just become friends and you let him stay over.
consuming is a good choice of word. as if it was food the food would be gone. the content the infrastructure everything remains. We have different views and thats ok. I certainly am being pedantic but the definition of stealing has always been a battle i pick. I accidentally picked like 6 battles in this thread and karma has delt me the ramifications RIP my inbox. just for the record. I have paid for spotify but didn't get enough use out of it to justify the monthly expense.
well you could either do intense mental gymnastics and useless semantic nitpicking to justify what you're doing...
...or you could stop being a fucking parasite
hey man, you're making an ass out of you and me. I whitelist websites. I recently just canceled my spotify after being a paying user for quite some time. I'm a web developer so i care about advertising as a legitimate revenue stream. I just disagree with it being called theft or stealing its way more complex than that. to loosely quote the simpsons stealing cable is a victimless crime . allthough i only just realised i disagree with the use of 'stealing' in that quote. great episode
What you fail to realise since your very first post is that we're not talking about loss of revenue, we're talking about literal monetary loss, for bandwidth and licensing fees.
well while we're on the discussion of difficult to quantify metrics. there is value in users trying out the service some of them convert to paying users. some of them find artists they like and get tickets to the shows. I will agree that 92million users or something not watching the ads would contribute to bandwidth costs. I would move that this was calculated risk by spotify. and would maintain that nothing was stolen.
It's absolutely stealing. You're consuming something without contributing to the cost through means that block their terms of service.
Opportunity cost is definitely a thing. I'm not sure if you're saying that Spotify likely models for this (I'm sure they do, you're right here), but don't try and justify the shitty behavior of people blocking ads as if it isn't stealing. They are consuming content that they is supposed to be ad-supported while blocking ads. That's stealing.
it's not theft though, I didnt try and justify what is in your opinion shitty behaviour. I would have just been going over the technicalities that make this not stealing. it's kinda like piracy but spotify are broadcasting. https://memset.files.wordpress.com/2010/10/piracy-vs-theft.jpg
Slight difference. I use browser adblock because some ads are are malicious and I understand people who do the same as long as they Whitelist the website afterwards. Spotify doesn't do any malicious ads so blocking it is a dick move
klesus ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 17:44:31 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Spotify doesn't do any malicious ads so blocking it is a dick move
They haven't served any malicious ads yet. If you block ads for security reasons doing so on the premise that nothing will happen then you're doing it wrong. Just because I live in a safe neighborhood and never had a break-in doesn't mean that I will leave my door open when I leave for work.
I don't think there is one. My attitude is that if you don't like the ads (and that includes targeted ads and related tracking) on a website, don't visit the website. Don't try and get something for free, that people are trying to make a living from. Websites take time and money to create and supply, no-one is entitled to enjoy them for free.
RVAndal ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 16:18:12 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
If they really bother you that much, I'm sure you'd remember before too long. If you don't visit them often enough to remember, then you probably don't have an issue to complain about.
Thanks. I don't see what difference that makes to my argument. Even if all websites have annoying adds, that still doesn't mean its okay to try and circumvent the means by which that content is paid for - i.e. hosting ads. Don't visit the websites. You're not entitled to free content produced by people trying to make a living.
There are some free sources of news and information out there that don't have ads, if ads bother you so much then they are available to you.
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 16:17:58 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Horseshit. I'm by no means a capitalist, but the fact is that all companies need to make money to be able to pay people for their work. For many websites, ad revenue is the main way they do this. Trying to subvert this is just reflects a self-centred, immature, ignorant mindset.
I like alcohol, but I find busy bars with loud music really annoying, so I don't go to busy bars with loud music. I don't tell the owners to turn the music down and throw out half their patrons, or set a noise-proof booth in the middle of the bar so that I can control the experience.
websites are broadcast publicly. If the website wants to impose restrictions that is its right. I feel like what you're saying would mean people walking past an open air rock concert in a near by field should block their ears because they didn't buy a ticket. The festival is likely doing just fine from ticket sales and theres no need to place it in a more remote location to increasive exclusivity. no one is entitled but no one is prevented or has to take any real measures to circumnavigate
Unless I'm misunderstanding, your metaphor doesn't work at all, sorry.
Anyone visiting a website is the audience, whether they block ads or not.
People walking past a concert are not the audience.
The comparison doesn't make any sense.
No. A website is 'put out there' on the basis that you don't pay to read it, because it's supported by ad revenue. Anyone visiting a website is the 'intended audience', even if they block ads. If you try to circumvent that arrangement, you undermine the means by which the content is produced. Doing so is your choice - it's not forced on you by the content provider.
a website is typically a private server configured with some port forwarding and associated with a public domain. once that happens its in the public domain. copyright protects against redistributing. ad revenue may help with costs but its not a contractual obligation. neither is allowing users to listen or read. Just my coworker once said if you think about a tv show or a song as a piece of information like "the sky is blue" once you have broadcast it publicly its just kinda out there you can't take it back people know the skies blue now.
not all websites have advertisements. Some have paid subscriptions.
I'm sure all of that is true, but these technical and legal considerations are irrelevant to my point: By blocking ads on a website which depends on ad revenue to stay in business, you are making a choice which is detrimental to the means of production of something you benefit from.
Just because you can do something (legally and technically), doesn't mean you should.
Spotify doesn't depend on ad revenue it has many revenue streams and takes calculated risks. I can't be sure that you mean me when you say 'you are making a choice'. I'm not i've been a paying customer on and off. i often whitelist on addblock twitch.tv is a notable one as i want to support the streamers and I work in web development so i'm all for advertising as a source of revenue. Just an interesting discussion about broadcasting intelectual property. I also posted a reply to someone else below, thats kinda similar to your last sentiment.,
"ive made this point with my gf a few discussions recently. the law isn't the best moral compass. It would be illegal for me to take in the homeless in my area. it's legal for the bank to charge you ยฃ25 for being 0.10 over drawn. its a crazy world. "
huh? this is the first time you mention getting the same service/experience, your original point was "Don't try and get something for free, that people are trying to make a living from."
and that's exactly what the window man is doing. he's watching the game for free even though the players and organizers are trying to make a living from it
no, i didnt understand your point because you literally hadnt gotten to it yet. that was the first time you mentioned getting the same service/experience
your whole argument is wrong. you move the goalposts from "Don't try and get something for free, that people are trying to make a living from" to "getting the same service/experience" and expect us to have retroactively known you were going to do that. then you dismiss me pointing out the massive illogicality of your argument as "being pedantic", and to top it off you think i'm the one not interested in discussing this sensibly
I haven't 'moved the goalposts', you utter turnip, You asked a question and I answered it - it's not my fault that whatever point you were trying to make with your question was irrelevant to my argument. Man watching football from his house for free is not directly comparable to someone using Spotify for free, so inevitably my answer is going to be different!
it's 100% directly comparable according to the terms you originally set: "Don't try and get something for free, that people are trying to make a living from"
Some bloke watching a match by standing on a stepladder for 90 minutes, craning his neck out of a window and staring from over the other side of the road is not the thing that people are trying to make a living from. Watching from near the edge of the pitch, sitting in a chair, surrounded by fellow supporters and shouting shit at the other side is what people are paying for, which is why your attempt at making a comparison is a load of old shit.
haha what? no shit that's not what they're trying to make a living from, that's the method he's using to circumvent paying them. the same way that websites make money off ads and not off people who install software to circumvent said ads
But he's not getting the same thing as people who've paid to get in, so it's not a valid comparison to people who are circumventing ads, because they DO get the same thing as people who don't block ads. People blocking ads aren't looking at the website from over someone's shoulder, on a tiny screen held at an awkward angle
both have pros and cons. window guy gets a worse view, but gets to sit in the comfort of his home instead of crushing into a crowd of rowdy fans. adblockers get a website where content isnt covered by ads, but has to go to the effort of finding cracked APKs, sniffing out ad domains so he can add them to the blocklist, and being careful not to trip the antiadblock many sites use
uMac79 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:02:29 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
No difference, no. In both cases advertisements pay for the service you are enjoying.
That was my favourite part about Soundcloud, was that their seek bar was also a VU meter, so when I was listening to podcasts of Star Talk Radio, I could see exactly where the ads begin and end by the sudden massive bulge in the seek bar volume.
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I mainly listen to mixes/radio shows and hardly ever get SC ads.
raytian ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 18:46:09 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Soundcloud still exists right?
[deleted] ยท 487 points ยท Posted at 14:36:55 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Holy fuck this. This was literally the reason why I even looked for a way to suppress it. One moment I'm chilling with some low volume music and the next there is a voice screaming at me to buy Spotify Premium.
edit: Apparently people are butthurt over me saying this. It's about the fact that the ad plays on full volume and literally hurt my ears. That shit is not OK and they refuse to change it. There were also instances of honking or car engines revving in certain ads.
Yeah, I love how people are trying to make it out like it's not a thing. I don't mind ads in my background music if the ads also stay in the background. But when I have background music and then am getting my eardrums blown out by ads, it's not a pleasant experience.
Drithyin ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 18:30:16 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It's not that the ads aren't problematic (they are), but the response to them should be "I'll use a competing service", not "I'll steal your service".
Like, you mean what if there was no such thing as Amazon Music, Apple Music, Deezer, Google Play Music, 8tracks, Pandora, SoundsCloud, Tidal, Youtube Red, Napster, etc?
Or 3. turn down the volume when the ads come on and go about my day
Smarag ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 19:29:57 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Or you know install an adblocker and stop caring about the stable geniuses on Reddit that think copyright infringement and loss of "potential sales" (which aren't even really potential sales, because most people who pirate a $10 / month service aren't going to buy the service if they can't or they would have to begin with) equals theft of property where actual real people lose something of value.
Is that still possible while gaming on ps4 and listening to Spotify? And to be clear, the ads I have no problem with, they're part of the deal when not having a paid subscription. The increased volume is problematic under those circumstances. I would rather them still get their revenue for even the small amount they pay their artists. Any chance that there is an add-on or app that makes the volume consistent? Because with a headset the sudden amplified volume is gonna give me tinnitus ffs
I already have the money to pay for a subscription. I refuse to give it to a company that fucks over artists though...voting with your dollar is hard but necessary. Listening to ads seems like a fair exchange, as long as they're not deafening.
Please stop exaggerating lol. When I was in high school and broke, I just tuned out the ads. It was a little louder but not obnoxious. Then when I got a job I paid for my Spotify like non broke, non stingy ass person. Man the fuck up and just shell out $10 a month.
fenbekus ยท -14 points ยท Posted at 17:13:22 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
How come I never witnessed ads being louder than the music itself?
No, they are definitely very loud. I run spotify mostly as background music when I am playing games, but certain ads literally make it so that I can't hear any game volume anymore. It's really unnecessary.
Straight up I'm making no excuses, I'm not going to justify piracy. I didn't want to pay for something I only use rarely so I decided not to. I know I'm not entitled to it but that isn't going to stop me.
adhi- ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:16:32 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
this is honestly slightly disturbing to me. i don't know what's worse, people just owning the piracy and even reveling in the moral absence, or those doing gymnastics to justify.
I personally pirate music because it's much easier to get a format that I want, the exact music that I want, and I can easily back-up my entire collection. I buy merchandise directly from the bands in order to support them; sometimes albums, but mostly other products. I specifically seek out the products/service that provides them with the largest cut of the profits.
Yeah, honestly Spotify is very reasonably priced. If you're a student you can get that Hulu/Spotify combo for only 5 a month. Or you can just do the family plan with your friends and split the cost to 2.50 a month.
Unless you're a student in a non-American country, that doesn't have one of those magical .edu e-mail addresses -_-
But, erh, isn't the family plan supposed to be used for families? Is it fine to split it between friends that don't even live together?
To me, the cost of Spotify Premium has driven me to not even use Spotify. It is just too much. It was really nice for the couple of trial weeks, but not near good enough to be worth even half the price I'd have to pay.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:30:13 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You can send them a picture of your student ID to get a discount.
While the family plan is most likely intend for families, there's no way they can even possibly know who is related to you. Some people consider friends family, so why not. I used a family plan with a group of friends until I started school. Though I would pay full price for Spotify. It says solid service that does exactly what I need. It's really person to person though so I can't really say it's worth it for anyone else.
I don't have a dog in this race, but are you saying "Don't block the ads, that's a dick move, instead you should lie and use their family service with friends to get it cheaper"? Why is muting/blocking the ads wrong, but getting the product at a reduced cost through a loophole okay?
It's like saying movie piracy is wrong then splitting the cost of a DVD then ripping it. They say you can copy it for personal use, that means it's okay, right?
I pay to be able to listen to music without ads at all. Non-premium wasn't even an option in my mind when I switched from Pandora to Spotify because $10/mo is nothing for what you get.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 17:30:40 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
If you're just going to choose to steal music regardless, what is Spotify's incentive to listen to your input?
SlavSy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:40:51 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not going to "steal" music regardless. I'm going to download music if spotify's free service is cancer. It is cancer, so I either a) download it, or b) cut out the ads with a mod.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:31:27 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
a) download it, or b) cut out the ads
Ya that's stealing music bud
SlavSy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:33:31 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Sure. That's not my point though. If spotify didn't earrape me, I wouldn't steal the music.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:35:28 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
SlavSy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:38:14 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
No no you misunderstand. I'm saying that I won't steal music normally, if spotify's free service wasn't shit. But because it is, I do what I must.
Sorry if my previous comment is worded incorrectly. I am aware that I'm pirating.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:40:07 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I do what I must.
This is the weird rationalization that sticks out to me all the time in these threads. No, you don't have to steal anything. You're doing it anyways though. That's the point.
SlavSy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:46:33 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Let me begin by saying that what I'm doing isn't "stealing" by nature, and that's why i used quotations and dislike the word.
And yes, before you reply, just because it isn't technically stealing doesn't make it morally correct, or hell, even legal.
No, you don't have to steal anything. You're doing it anyways though. That's the point.
I'm just saying that if spotify ran their free service better, they'd have more users, which in turn would generate more profit from them through ad revenue, and some users after liking it enough would purchase a subscription.
But no, they have a terrible free service, and as such I don't use it. Their loss.
So let me rephrase your final statement to this: I don't have to pay for spotify. So I don't. That's the point.
If itโs not stealing, itโs fraud. Imagine you own a public bathroom or something that costs $0.25 to use. If people just jump the turnstile theyโre not taking anything from you, but theyโre using your product/service under false pretenses. The agreement is that the customer pays for the product, but you decided that for whatever reason the agreement doesnโt apply to you. If itโs not stealing itโs some other crime.
SlavSy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:12:10 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I understand.. its wrong to think piracy is moral, but its also wrong to think piracy is stealing. Thats what I was addressing in my comment.
And actually the toilet scenario isnt quite right. Because if someone jumps in and uses it, theyre dirtying it. They actually are stealing, you have to pay for water that runs in the pipes they just flushed.
Making a copy of a movie? Nothing gets damaged.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:17:58 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
what I'm doing isn't "stealing"
No, it's stealing. You're just rationalizing an immoral act. You might realize it eventually, but for now this seems like a pointless discussion.
SlavSy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:01:39 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Seems like you missed my point entirely. no point in finishing this conversation. Goodbye.
I would like to buy a cd of music. Earlier it meant i can listen to it without hooking up to the internet and being under the whim of a company who decide to shove ads because they want to make more money than the artists
That's not stealing lad. I don't think you know what theft is, because there's no universe in which that's considered theft.
Theft requires one party to LOSE something they already have.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:14:09 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Good rationalization. Doesn't change the truth though.
I don't see how it's a "rationalization" lad, it's the truth. You can't call something theft if nothing if one party is not losing something.
Honestly, the "anti-adblocker" people in this thread are reading like those old anti-piracy ads you'd see at the start of DVDs. "You wouldn't download a car" and all that
Bullying isn't just intimidation. There are millions of ways people bully others and millions more that get bullied by ways other than intimidation.
$10 to you may not be much a month but to some, it might be the difference in paying a bill, eating, or other things you as an individual take for granted. Your standards are not someone else's,thats what makes the world function so poorly. Assumptions and butthurt
Peekman ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:33:02 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
English definition of bullying:
use superior strength or influence to intimidate (someone), typically to force him or her to do what one wants.
I still stand firm on my second statement. It's all a matter of point of view. What you deem a certain viewpoint from your perspective isn't always going to be someone else's
You are stealing from a business who offers a well functioning and fairly priced service over something extremely petty and that makes you a bad person. The fact you're justifying it makes you a bad person though, not the fact you did it.
Let's go steal someone's car cause they pissed me off when they continuously screamed in my ear at a hockey game instead of asking them to stop. Let us just steal every time we are upset instead of acting like decent people. You are hardcore stealing that spotify... that'll really show them how shitty they are.
Hey kid... any chance I could interest you in a bit of this Spotify Premium? It's Grade A shit bro!
adhi- ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:14:47 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
That shit is not OK and they refuse to change it.
then you have the power to stop using spotify if you don't like it. holy shit, the entitlement. if you don't like a app stop using it. don't illegally modify it.
you have absolutely no excuse for your behavior. just stop trying
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:20:28 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The free edition is still limited by certain functions. I'm merely muting the sound when the ads come up. How is this any different from not looking at ads on a webpage?
Then can always remove the free version. But since they literally don't lose anything from "thiefs" like me why should they?
I used to run regular youtube with my playlist on my way to college but after a certain time ads became long and happen before every video. I didn't do much one the first week but goddamn it became so annoying listening to 2 minutes of ads between ~1.5 minutes of each video (anime OP's/Eds). At that moment I switched to vanced and well, I now got background play with it so that was even better.
I have no idea how spotify serves the ads so I cant comment on them because spotify itself doesn't work in my country (Pretty much nothing is available music streaming wise) but if it happened every 2 songs and for < 30 seconds I wouldn't mind it at all.
Sooo if you read my main post you'd realise that there is nothing that I can do to solve this. No streaming service is available (I am considering youtube red a streaming service).
It's still cancer that EVERY video on mobile has an ad now and none of them are relevant. Remember 10 second ads or 1 min skippable ones? Now they're all 30 seconds unskippable (or 2 minutes with skip). It's ridiculous.
Doesn't matter what connection you're on, ads will play in 4k. The actual video you wanna watch? Starts at 480 and then gets to 10 seconds in before buffering and just stops working entirely. ๐
Thank you for telling my about vanced. Was using YouTube on Firefox, destop mode for my phone. Background play... fucking finally. I remember when that was a staple for YouTube. I'm not paying for something I got for free before or other video apps don't do.
This is what people fail to get. You like spotify and want it to continue? Then support them. I work for a company that has a big problem with the public just using us and not buying things. We're most likely going to close hundreds of stores this year due to this and people will be upset.
Xet ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:31:22 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Mobile firefox with ublock origin on mobile does the trick if you want to watch/listen to youtube on your phone.
No, you won't. You'll get fucked because the service will get bought out by people who want to make the service shitty to drive people to their other shitty service. Looking at you Hulu. They didn't start sucking because people were blocking ads (which I did not do). They started sucking because a TV company bought them out and felt that the number of ads wasn't close enough to being on par with TV.
I think the ads are too loud. So I pay for the ad free model. Getting more songs than I could ever dream of for $120 a year is an incredible deal.
xorgol ยท 39 points ยท Posted at 15:17:02 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
With that kind of money I could change phone every two years instead of every four. I mean, my solution is not using Spotify at all instead of complaining about the ads, but โฌ120 a year is nothing to scoff at. It's about what I spend on clothing, on average, and I cannot choose not to buy clothes.
Back in my day, we could download songs from iTunes for $0.99 instead of having to buy the entire album at FYE for $19.99 to get three songs that we wanted, and we were thankful.
and at the same time i was on limewire getting 56 kbps mp3s of Bill Clinton denying having sexual relations with monica lewinsky and i was HAPPY ABOUT IT.
j1202 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:11:17 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
back in your day everyone smart was just using limewire
It's ยฃ5 for student and ยฃ9.99 for everyone else a month. Given that between that and a netflix sub and your internet connection and you're basically done for a reasonably full set of media.
Nothing to scoff at is subjective, the value saving is objective.
If you listen to music a lot, or even a reasonable amount, you're doing very well out of it.
A single album a month will cost you more than that.
If you don't have that money, I get it, but it's actual value vs the alternative is VERY good.
xorgol ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:44:37 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
There are nudist beaches, outside of those areas you can be fined and charged with indecent exposure. More importantly, the sun burns my skin in the summer and it's cold in the winter. I patch my clothes a lot to stay in the budget, and I bum discarded clothes from my relatives.
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 15:39:44 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It's actually a lot of money but the value of it is having pretty much every song ever recorded at your fingertips. For me it's worth it because I use google music and with google assistant it's really quite smart about what specific song I want or what artist i want or what playlist, etc.
With the google home integration I can just call out any music i want any time and it just plays anywhere in my apartment. The same goes for guests. That's pretty cool and ultimately it's worth $10 a month even though technically I could attempt to pirate a gigantic collection of music and approach it that way. However, the number of roadblocks I'd hit doing it that way would destroy the seamless integration google has going on with it's paid service.
It's $10/month. If anyone needs music so badly but can't spare $10 for it then their problem is found somewhere in their budget or income. It's not a lot of money. It's the cost of a few coffees. A sandwich or two. In a MONTH. Just above minimum wage, 1 hour of work.
You're not making any sort of argument, just displaying your entitlement. Oh, the issue is in their budget? So if they just had a much larger one this wouldn't happen? My how perceptive.
I was referring to working class people with their head in the sand talking about "I pay my fair share, why can't everyone else!?" Not spotify. And going voting and using your money wisely is no Herculean task at all.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:17:16 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You have access to that music either way, Spotify doesnt provide you any type of service you wouldn't already have. They pay their artists shit, that money is going to spotify exec and label owners. The amount of rent they're able to extract from millions of unsuspecting idiots is unbelievable.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:59:45 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I've been obtaining any music I want to listen to for free from the internet for nearly two decades. Then at some point long after that spotify showed up and everybody got all excited that they could pay to listen to any song they want and have almost none of the money go to the actual artist who made that song. Kind of strange for me to watch happening, honestly.
I mean, sure. I've done plenty of torrenting. I've also spent plenty of time dealing with torrents without enough seeds, malware, letters from my ISP, tracks with screwed up metadata, garbage quality audio, and so on.
I'm a little obsessive about getting all the music I want, and trying to download and categorize the full discography of 100-1000 artists is a BITCH.
And yeah. The artists are getting paid peanuts. But torrenting is hardly doing them a favour either.
I pay 120 for Spotify and 50 to Pandora to never hear ads. Its an amazing deal considering I listen to Spotify 8-12 hours a day while I work and my wife does the same with Pandora.
getrill ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 17:00:47 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I think the ads are too loud. So I pay for the ad free model.
I have a personal policy of not paying for things to avoid annoyances, I think it sends a message to marketers etc that they should make the world as unbearable as possible and the whole concept just violates my long-term peace of mind.
I don't use Spotify or any other music streaming (these days I've mostly regressed back to browsing FM in the car and that's about the extent of my music consumption), but if I were using it I'd probably consider the pirated version just for the "fuck off with your business model" angle. If it was reasonable ads, I'd either tolerate the ads for what they are, or I'd pay not to hear them if I want an ad-free experience. If the ads are designed to make me unhappy, now you've drawn out my petty side.
Laesio ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:22:47 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
That's what people said when piracy started digging in to the profits of the entertainment industry. As it turns out, people actually do pay for legal services like Netflix and Spotify. Most of the time people are willing to stay within the legal boundaries as long as they appear reasonable.
[deleted] ยท 1392 points ยท Posted at 14:06:18 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Once companies stop trying to use deceptive ad practices, then you can make a statement like this.
What if Spotify came out with a version that doesnโt have ads? And instead you pay a small amount of money every month to get all of the features of the app? Artists get paid, Spotify developers who made the app get paid, and you get more music than you could listen to in hundreds of years!
[deleted] ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 16:18:37 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
That would be a great deal! Let me know when they start charging a small amount of money for it.
Itโs their service. They have a right to charge whatever they want for it. How much does food cost where you live? Spotify costs 33 cents per day, so itโs not like theyโre being unreasonable.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:38:44 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I never said they couldn't charge what they want. I'm just saying it's not reasonable.
Itโs all personal perception, for me personally, 10$/month is a bargain. I use it everyday, and have access to essentially anything I could want to listen too, ad free. The ability to download for offline listening is worth the price of admission alone.
sereko ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:12:59 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I think they have family plans that make it much cheaper. Google Play All Access does and it reduces the cost to about $3/person/month.
Edit: Google doesn't care if you're just using it with a friend either. I imagine Spotify is the same but can't be bothered to check.
elevul ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:05:55 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Agreed, before I got the student discount I was renewing and using Spotify only when I could get the 3 months for 10โฌ promotion. 10โฌ/mo is definitely too much for a service that in the end is not necessary, just useful.
$120 a year is almost nothing? I mean, I pay for two subscriptions for my GF and myself, but still, If they found a different way to promote their product than unnecessarily loud and obstructive advertisement, we wouldn't be having this discussion.
Edit - Man, lots of hate on my opinion of the price. Relax, I pay more than my fair share of subscription prices, but chances are Spotify makes more money off of Advertisement than our subscription fees.
vluhdz ยท 639 points ยท Posted at 15:23:50 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
If you're a student you can snag it for $5 a month! They're supposed to be all under the same roof, so I violate their TOS there. But you can find random people online to join together and take advantage of the deal until they start enforcing that.
Hulu + Spotify for $5 is a great deal. I paid $10 for awhile for Spotify before I took advantage of the student deal and I was more than happy with it. I still, technically, pay $5 for Spotify as I gave one of my Spotify Family spots to a friend of mine. So I guess I'm doing $5 a month without Hulu haha. But I think last year I averaged 50ish days of listening (I have it running in the background a lot, obviously), so that's a great value for me at even a higher price.
Spotify Family, at $15 for six separate Spotify accounts, is already a discount so they don't offer Hulu with Spotify Family, unfortunately. But thank you for making sure!
Of course. I assume no one would use a family plan by themselves. This part of the thread was about sharing a family plan, which (at least in my case) violates the terms of use, but is an option until that's enforced. Your options are that, use the student discount, or pay the full price.
who pays you for doing their viral marketting and customer retention for them? its not that easy to get 5 people and some direct debits set up also officially youre supposed to live under the same roof
Yeah, we aren't under the same roof, so I shouldn't be doing it. I'm a hypocrite there. We're just friends and I send a Venmo charge out once a month. Just a satisfied user; I've been premium of some sort for the last five or six years. Currently experimenting with Apple Music because I'm a big fan of Siri support, but I like the playlists within Spotify better so far.
i think spotify would unofficially not mind at all. it's only on paper they care. im sure theyre happy people are using the service and wouldnt crack down on this.
ah see so i was thinking a direct debit. to one bank account that. if everyone was willing to pay upfront that would be simpler. still not without effort. also people don't typically want to pay for things 12 months in advance. heck man splitting a cab with my friends can be a nightmare sometimes.
sk9592 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:06:53 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I'm sorry, but this just a dumb comment
its not that easy to get 5 people
Here's the secret: Just because it's called a "family plan" doesn't mean it must be your family. I have my brother and two friends on mine. So we are splitting the cost 4 ways.
It's ridiculously easy to find a few people who want a $3-4 Spotify Account.
and some direct debits set up
Chill, it's not like you have to set up some serious accounting/billing system for these people. Each person just owes me $4/month. They just pay me once every 6ish months when I send them a Venmo pay request. Literally takes 30 seconds. If you're at the point where you're hunting someone down over an unpaid $4 bill, it's probably better not to have that person in your life.
If someone ever actually refused to pay me for months on end, then sure, I can just remove them from the family plan.
also officially youre supposed to live under the same roof
And since when has "same roof" ever been enforced in any way, shape, or form? Literally never been enforced in the 20 year history of cell phone "family plans".
it's not a dumb comment, man you're spending too much effort disproving me. I don't wish to debate the ins and outs of how you can do this. I agree spotify aren't enforcing this. It can be done. I've never said it was impossible. Just that it wasn't easy. Not every one has lots of friends who want to strike financial arrangements to save 50 quid on streaming services. hell i dont even know more than 5 people who are paying users. I've never heard of venmo. I'm glad this has worked for you. don't appreciate being called dumb. what might for you may not be right some etc...
to back up my very original comment in this chain. Even if i posted on facebook who wants to do family spotify membership with me and save money. I'm advertising for them. I don't wish to do that. I didn't sign up for uber for like 2 years because all the users were voluntarily viral marketing for a corporation. Thats not my thing i ain't about that life.
you've misquote me too , I said "officially you're supposed ..." so i am chill . i know very well what youre telling me. It's just in know way worth selling your soul or creating debt with friends and family.
now ive put too much effort in to a response face meets palm
sk9592 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:35:48 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Some of this might be cultural differences differences. For example, plenty of people use Venmo in the US. There is probably a UK equivalent to that. I also never heard of Uber viral marketing. Is that really a thing?I just treat it like a freakin cab service, just use it or don't.
"Striking financial arrangements" sounds like big words for giving your friend $4. Do you "strike financial arrangements" every time you buy your friend a beer? I suppose technically you do, but seriously, what's with the terminology.
I'm not telling people to go advertise on Facebook. I agree, I wouldn't do that either.
I'm just saying that you're really overstating how much effort and organization it takes. It's not even something I could say I organized. It was literally just me asking my brother "Hey, want to split a Spotify account?" and him saying yes. That's it. Over time, a couple other people joined in. It never took any actual effort or organization.
Finally, I did not misquote you. Everything I pulled from your comment was a direct copy/paste.
You quoted from the middle of the sentence though. Context is important. I think youre overstating how simple it is. Im happy for you man. And i agree with the methodology. I would buy someone a beer and expext nothing in return. However if i paid the increased cost for spotify family and did not recoup it from the friends id be butt hurt. I was on a keyboard earlier im on my phone now. I use bigger words on keyboard i suppose. You know its just a good rule of thumb not to lend money to friends and family i have some unreliable friends. And yes this is countered well that you know its only a small financial lost and better off without the friend anyway. But with all that said id rather just buy the single user one and 0 hassle. Or as i have currently chosen to do not pay for spotify as i wasnt using it that much. Im learning to dj at the moment and will have to own the tracks to play them to a crowd software licensing too. The musical world is complex. Not sure what time is wher you are but you have a good weekend
$120/year is absolute peanuts for the service you're getting. Assuming an album is $10 to buy (is this even accurate? I haven't bought an album in 5+ years) then you could get 10 albums a year, OR every album at any time for the same money.
[deleted] ยท 107 points ยท Posted at 18:50:10 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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Dessum ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 21:50:16 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I think the two million are probably high school/college-aged students who don't have any kind of regular income to spare. I can understand the mindset that $120 is a lot of money per year; even with the student discount, $5/month might put some people in a bind if it's taken right before pay day.
That being said, get a damn job. Spotify has everything, $10 a month for unlimited access to it is ridiculous.
I had a Spotify premium membership all through college and I was broke as shit. I love music, and if youโre someone who does also I donโt see how you couldnโt come up with $5 a month for it considering how valuable it is
Dessum ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:21:35 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It's like you said, it's all about priorities. I'm not saying Spotify should be a priority, but if someone wants it enough to steal it they need to re-evaluate their own.
juanzy ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 19:10:42 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Probably because mid-day Reddit is a lot of students. Look at any job advice thread posted mid day versus in the afternoon, it's pretty different.
I don't hear students complain lol, we get a $5 discount so it's actually only $60/year for us. Most people I know who pay for Spotify either have jobs or if they don't their parents are paying for a family plan for them.
[deleted] ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 21:48:14 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I'm a 96th percentile earner and I'd never pay $10 for this service. there are simply too many free options and there is nothing immoral about using ad block.
You can say there is nothing immoral about Adblock but if youโre 96th percentile and youโre too cheap to give $10 a month for a service instead of stealing it with Adblock, thatโs a little immoral
I don't think you can read bozo. I don't use Spotify at all, not the free/payed/pirated version. I am saying what is small amounts to you is not always small amounts to others.
If youโre at the poverty line in the US, itโs basically 1% of your income. So yeah, itโs not a lot.
It boils down to how much you use it. Music is a huge part of my everyday life, so that 1% is absolutely worth it. But I can see how someone who doesnโt listen to a lot of music would think itโs too expensive.
For unlimited listening to virtually all the music in the western world with built in personal recommendations for discovering new music? Yes, 120 bucks is cheap as hell.
[deleted] ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 16:55:04 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Edit - Man, lots of hate on my opinion of the price. Relax, I pay more than my fair share of subscription prices, but chances are Spotify makes more money off of Advertisement than our subscription fees.
And they're still losing money. People complaining about the prices are just cheap.
I mean back in the days of CD's, $120 would get you... 11-12 albums maybe? So paying the same for access to just about all music that's ever existed isn't such a bad deal IMO.
omnidub ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:56:05 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
.... yeah? $120/year is almost nothing even when researching the lines of poverty. You get an infinite amount of music. I think you'll love spending $10/month to have access to every album, EP, and song you want. If you can't afford that then having access to Spotify should be the least of your concerns.
Given you listen to far more than 120 songs per year and songs used to cost $1 each on streaming services like iTunes, yea itโs nothing, especially given how much production costs the artists
I don't normally take the moral high road on this argument because I'm just as guilty as anyone when it comes to pirating some content. However, I fucking hate how intrusive and relentless advertisements are. There are very few platforms left where you can sit down, experience the content you want to experience, and not have to sit through 20 ads to do so. Even paid services like Hulu still show you ads... I just wish there was a simple solution that satisfied advertisers and people who consume the medium.
Its not really an option of either paying and not getting ads. Its you either pay to get ads, or you don't pay to get even more ads. I'm fine with paying if I don't get ads, but the problem is that is rarely the case anymore.
Sorry my comment wasn't clear, I was trying to talk in a general sense. What I was trying to say is that if I pay for a service, I don't want to see ads and that a happy medium can't really exist because either advertisers show their ads, or consumers don't see any. There's no in between really.
Iโm good friends with a former Spotify employee. They make way more money on subscriptions.
Every ad makes them fractions of a cent. The free product is actually just a trial to get you to pay for a subscription. If you donโt convert in a year they actually start playing more ads to recoup some of the cost.
$120 a year is almost nothing when you're paying for access to virtually all the music in the world without ads.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:41:05 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
For me it's ยฃ5 a month, so ยฃ60 a year, given the amount of music I listen to that's an incredible deal... I would never even bother suppressing ads at that rate
Relax, I pay more than my fair share of subscription prices, but chances are Spotify makes more money off of Advertisement than our subscription fees.
Spotify loses hundreds of millions of dollars every year. They are making negative money, so don't act self-righteous about paying a modest fee for the service you get.
99.99% if them being worthless to me. You're acting like quantity is the exactly one thing that matters. It's not up to you to decide for the human race what counts as something or nothing, unless you think you're God or something.
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 15:28:03 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:36:37 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
If you want a new tv sure, buy it. If you donโt, then you donโt go and steal one and get on r/android bitching about how they practically force you to steal it because $10 a month is too much. If you canโt afford it, use the free one. If you donโt like the ads, then donโt use it.
Sure, it could be broken down any number of ways to justify the price. Still, the question is not about the cost. They provide a free service with an obstructive advertisement scheme. If they didn't want people to find ways to work around the advertisements, perhaps they shouldn't make them so obstructive.
If they didn't want people to find ways to work around the advertisements, perhaps they shouldn't make them so obstructive.
Or perhaps you could just not use their service if you don't like the ads? You're not entitled to the music for free because you find the ads annoying.
Ok, maybe approach this a different way. Perhaps the Ads in general are what the problem is. Spotify is already using our location data and treating users like many other companies do in regards to demographic farming. Limit the functionality of the free service and cut down on the toxic ads. Pandora doesn't have a problem limiting the skips and shit. What's spotify's excuse? They want ad revenue. Don't blame people for wanting something for free.
Don't blame people for wanting something for free.
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You already have the music for free, all you have to do is put up with ads... They're not even that bad lmao. You make it sounds like the ads are malware-infested when in reality you just don't like the minor inconvenience they introduce. If you don't like them, you should either pay to remove the ads or simply go back to paying $12 for each album. This is such a ridiculous argument.
If you didnโt want obtrusive ads then maybe you should just pay for the fucking service like an adult and stop coming up with justifications for stealing access to a service.
Maybe youโre not an adult and donโt have access to funds, idk. It just seems like a bunch of people here bitch that apps donโt come to Android first, or that the android version sucks, and then turn around and brag that they got around the ads in an app and wonโt pay for it. No wonder app devs donโt want to make apps for Android. Little entitled princesses on here believe they deserve everything for free. /rant
They DO want people to work around the ads, by PAYING FIR THEIR SERVICE.
If the ads are too obstructive, and you don't want to pay, then use a different service. If enough people leave they will perhaps have a motivation to make the free service better or the paid service cheaper. If you just pirate, all they will have a motivation to do is to stop you from stealing their shit.
If using the free version of Spotify were a more pleasant experience, wouldn't more people opt for that version? There has to be some incentives to get people to pay. When I had free Spotify, I disliked the loud ads (of course). But I'm genuinely curious what other incentives (or annoyances) they could use to build a paying customer base.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:34:28 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
32 cents a day to listen to unlimited music anywhere is too much money for you?
doo138 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:39:26 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Better than paying $15 a CD for the one song you like on it or waiting for a song to come on the radio so you can record it. You young whipper snappers and your fancy $10 a month unlimited music. For real though those ads do suck. It automatically makes me want to boycott the company that is advertising.
777Sir ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:55:43 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Access to almost every song you could possibly want, both streamed and downloaded is almost nothing? Not to mention all their music discovery options. I have thousands of hours of music in my Spotify library I wouldn't be able to afford and probably wouldn't have discovered without it.
Recoil42 ยท 140 points ยท Posted at 14:17:21 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Seriously. How many of you Spotify cheaters buy a Starbucks coffee every morning?
You can't afford $10 a month (less, with a family plan!) for unlimited music at high quality, ad-free?
xorgol ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 15:18:21 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I've managed to "download" an espresso from an Italian rest stop chain, they give it out to anyone who gets their app and registers for an account. They don't check how many accounts you get, so I could theoretically get more coffees.
[deleted] ยท 187 points ยท Posted at 14:22:48 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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AidenXY ยท 130 points ยท Posted at 14:39:48 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
They're saying hypothetically. If you can buy certain things like a cup of coffee, you can afford a measly $10-$14 a month for a family plan on Spotify.
Booze might be a better example. There are a lot of people stealing music spending over $100/month on booze. Buying expensive coffee might seem absurd to them.
dwmfives ยท 169 points ยท Posted at 15:11:56 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
spending over $100/month on booze.
What do they do with the other three weeks a month?
yech ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 16:11:53 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
That hits home. I think coffee prices are outrageous but hit me with a beer or two or three whenever I go out to eat. I understand it doesnโt make sense
I pirate music fairly often. My reasoning for it is not due to price point but due to convenience. I like having my music downloaded and owned. I will never pirate an album that has a high quality (flac/wav) digital download available for purchase. If an artist makes it a pain in the ass to legally buy they music im just gonna pirate it though. Sure it's a flawed reasoning but it helps me justify it and I end up spending far more money than $10 a month and none of it goes to a garbage company like Spotify
xorgol ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:19:08 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Either alcohol is way more expensive where you're from, or that's alcoholism.
Nah. It's just single people with high paying jobs going out in a major city.
Edit: and while binge drinking is horrible, it isn't alcoholism.
xorgol ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:31:31 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Ah, so the alcohol is way more expensive where you're from :D
Edit: for reference, that kind of money would buy around 2 liters of good beer per day, or two bottles of decent wine, around here. That's way too much.
Must be, because $100/month isn't even a lot for people who go out for drinks once a week and have a few drinks at home in-between. That being said, I'm not a heavy drinker myself.
Not only do I not buy starbucks but I don't buy lunch at work and actually started meal prepping. Not only am I saving a ton of money but I'm also eating healthier. Win-win.
Yeah you should start. It's really tedious and annoying at first but over time it becomes second nature and the amount of money I'm saving is crazy. I would spend at least $10 at work on food alone. That was $50 a week or $200 a month :o
hulivar ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 17:19:43 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
ya but you can't use this argument for everything....it's always 10 more dollars a month, shit adds up.
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 19:29:46 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I think that's exactly the same conclusion the "Spotify cheaters" came to, lmao.
hulivar ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:05:35 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
only live once though....you can live a shit life with your morals, and I will nickle and dime billion dollar companies while they bitch and moan every now and then.
if you justify one recurring expense, then you'll become broke very quick
conairh ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 18:19:52 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Seriously, how much does spotify spend on fancy coffee in their office every day?
And spotify can't afford more than $0.0001 per play to pay the artists?
You can always point fingers and say someone could be paying more. In naked, unabashed capitalism if you get your shit free and don't get caught, you win. Spotify would pay nothing for music in a heartbeat if they thought they could get away with it. Why can't their customers game the system like they have?
chaos7x ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:31:18 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Being able to afford something is not the same thing as being willing to pay for it. I'm certainly not defending using their service for free but this is a pretty huge difference if you want to understand people's motivation.
It was added on in the past year with no change in pricing to the student subscription. How else would you like me to phrase it? $2.50 Spotify premium and $2.50 Hulu subscription when combined under a .edu email.
WOW that really rolls off the tongue when you put it that way!! /s
Seriously. It costs less than two lattes at a Starbucks, a beer and a half or so at a bar, or a fast food meal. "The ads are annoying so fuck them I'm not paying to get rid of them" is such a weird and forced justification.
mada447 ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 14:31:36 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Isn't that the justification for installing adblock on browsers like everyone does?
Recoil42 ยท 28 points ยท Posted at 14:38:02 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
If I could pay $10 a month to get rid of all ads on the internet, you're goddamn right I would.
It supports consumers. If I'm not particularly interested in paying for a service that does most of what I want, but has ads, why not make it better for me by blocking the ads entirely?
In the case of spotify, I don't like the UX and most of my music library is on physical media, so I don't really have a use for the app. If I wanted to use the free version to check a friend's playlist to see what songs he was playing on a car ride, I don't want to be bombarded with male enhancement and spotify premium ads. So instead i'll block the ads, get the song names, and add them to my library on Google Music so I can listen to them ad-free anyway.
I installed adblock because one of the main sites I use, wowhead.com, is absolutely cancerous if you don't use adblock. The ads slow the site down so much that you practically can't use the site at all. And the site uses ads from notoriously sketchy ad networks, so there have been times that I look at my ghostery add-on and saw that it blocked 100+ scripts and harmful elements
Man, Reddit must have made you really cynical if you're automatically assuming that I came up with a bullshit reason to justify my use of an adblocker, and that I'm using it for all sites and not just the site that's literally unuseable without an adblocker.
why don't you just disable the autoplay of media in the browser if you "only install adblock for that"? Or is that too high a concept for you to grasp, along with being hypocritical?
You just shamed someone for using an adblocker for a valid reason (to them), then said that you also use an adblocker and justified it (for you). Is that not also being a dick?
It's the malicious ads I'm worried about. On a clean install of 10, fully updated and no extensions or 3rd party software installed I should not have to worry about a takeover ad telling me the computer is infected when browsing to Yahoo or MSN. Until then, computers that I work on get uBlock Origin. I'll whitelist sites on my personal machines and show customers how to do it themselves.
While I don't use adblock, some ads do cause problems for broswers. I can see people doing limited blocking of noisy ads or ads that take over the entire browser window.
One main difference is that they adblockers are not targeting a particular site that they want to benefit from while starving them of revenue. People who already know about ads on spotify and don't like them should just not use the service. Knowingly using the service and blocking their ads is not ok. Browsing the Internet is different. If I google something, I have no idea if a link returned will lead to a site that opens up various noisy ad windows. If I knew, I would avoid the site. Since people can't know before visiting, they can use adblockers to not be assaulted that way.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 15:05:02 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Naw man, everyone on this planet is clearly living on mountains of gold but refuse to pay a measly $120 pe year just to listen to music without ads. Didn't you know the whole world has the same standard of living everywhere, and everybody can afford the same things?
asspow ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 15:43:46 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I can understand the justification behind, say, stealing a loaf of bread. Like, itโs still wrong, but the bigger wrong is that somebody feels the need to steal the bread. Nobody should be in that situation.
Spotify premium, however, if you canโt afford it you canโt have it. Itโs a luxury. I do a lot of flight simming, some of the add-ons are literally several hundred dollars and Iโve probably purchased a dozen, but itโs after saving up and foregoing a night out in order to do so. I am not entitled to it because I donโt feel like rearranging my spending habits to afford it.
But in this case I can have it even if I can't afford it, and I do not think this is equivalent to stealing.
What I dislike most about Spotify is how little my favourite artists earn, and such this is a business model I do not want to support. It's like piracy, nobody actually loses anything in the digital world, but through Spotify I have found artists that I genuinely want to see live and purchase albums and merch from. That's where I'd rather see my $120/year go.
I can't afford $10/month because I buy the Starbucks coffee. duh.
BigMP ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:51:40 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
thank you. the fact that people think $10/month is too expensive for an unfathomably large collection of music, that they can listen to whenever they want, wherever they want, with hardware that fits in your pocket, drive me nuts. How much more did we all spend on music when we actually bought physical albums?
valeceb ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:08:38 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
im well aware of that. i was refuting the absurd "unlimited music" claim.
ryanloh ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:06:38 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
unlimited (of what they have) music.
You are allowed to listen freely, you can even download the music.
I haven't tried yet, but I also assume, once you download the music, if you move it out of the Spotify folders, you would have it even after you've discontinued your membership. Not sure if this is explicitly prohibited/a weird file format or something though.
i mean, sure i guess you could interpret it that way. by that logic though, me buying a single song is "unlimited music" because i can listen to the song however many times i want :P
i think most people would find that misleading
yanzie ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:22:18 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
That's literally how I have always seen it and many others too.
Unlimited: "not limited or restricted in terms of number, quantity, or extent."
Aka, no limit to the number of songs you can listen to. Like unlimited data, no limit on the amount you can download etc. Not the content.
The single song could be listened to an unlimited number of times, just like spotify :^)
Edit:
Spotify is a digital music service that gives you access to millions of songs.
Millions, not all and they also say 'unlimited skips' and ad free music.
It's also not unlimited music because it doesn't have all of the music ever recorded by human beings.
Your obtuse interpretation of 'unlimited' is obviously not what is intended by Spotify's use of the word.
RCFProd ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:09:27 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Seriously. How many of you Spotify cheaters buy a Starbucks coffee every morning?
How is this a good example? People buying a lot of unnecessry things should be okay with paying for Spotify on top of all the stupid stuff they're already paying for?
They'd be getting Starbucks coffee for free if it meant they wouldn't get into problems doing so. They're just avoiding to pay for anything they don't have to pay for. Pretty simple concept.
The subscription rate and your opinion of whether or not it constitutes a good deal has nothing to do with these obnoxious ads and why free users try to suppress them.
This is just a lay observation, but perhaps if these ads werenโt loud and obnoxious, most users wouldnโt develop the habit of muting them when they come on.
Well the annoying thing is when they try to force you into paying the subscription by making the ads unbearable. It should be a reasonable option to use the free version of an app with ads but if they show 1 minute ads every 5 minutes that are way louder, or trick you into clicking something so it launches a link outside the app, it just isnโt worth it. I donโt use Spotify so idk how the ads work there but other apps Iโve used do things like this. I do agree itโs wrong to block ads without paying, especially for something that streams outside artists work. It just seems like there could be a better way to show ads that would allow the company to make money and be bearable to the people who canโt afford or donโt want to pay for the pro/+/etc. version of the app
Than their excuse will be,why do I have to pay to get no adds. That doesnโt sound like a value deal to me. Or some stupid bullshit excuse to not pay money.
Or Amazon Music unlimited. The subscription goes on sale all the time, so you don't even have to pay full price for it.
tklite ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:55:18 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I subscribe to YouTube for the increased usability, not to get rid of ads. That was just a nice perk. If your primary reason for paying for a service is to get rid of ads rather than increasing access to content or features, it was a bad service to begin with.
lexbuck ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:56:19 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It ruins user experience and incentivises workarounds. It's meant to incentivise getting Spotify Premium, but people won't pay out of spite if they feel they're intentionally being annoyed into it.
edit; spelling
envido32 ยท 137 points ยท Posted at 14:43:18 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Me: I don't use Spotify enough to justify a monthly payment, I don't mind the ads even if they are repetitive, I even like the idea of supporting the artists... but if I'm chilling with my headphones and suddenly you blast the volume you will not convince me to pay, I will hate you and look for some other way of listening to music.
I don't think ads for Spotify Premium support the artists. They make up about 70% of the ads I get here.
You get the volume bashing, and you also get a solid 30 odd seconds of the jingle left playing after the voiceover has finished talking. Utter /r/assholedesign
Drake was Spotifyโs most-streamed artistthis year, with around 1.8 billion streams. That means Drake earned somewhere in the ballpark of $15 million from Spotify.
$15mn is quite paltry for 1.8 billion streams.
Sixcoup ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:17:09 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
That's not Spotify fault tho. Spotify never registered any profits yet, they give all their moneys to the majors, who don't give back to their artists.
Yeah, but they get paid even less if you block the ads. If you really want to support artists as best you can, you would buy all your music directly by buying albums and not using Spotify at all.
Or my personal favorite when it offers you 30 minutes of ad free music if you voluntarily watch an ad. If you dont click the button to watch the ad, they play one anyway, and you dont get the 30 minutes. Really great stuff.
I was under the impression that they had that long period of time after the ad said โclick now for 30 minutes freeโ so that a person actually has time to pause what theyโre doing (whether pause a game, unlock their phone, etc), open the app, and click
In what way is playing an ad a predatory practice? WTF? If they were actively destroying competitors then yes but playing an ad to support artists and deals isnโt predatory at all.
Not "playing the ad", but blasting the volume in order to make them annoying. I'm cool with the ads, but they don't seem to be using them to gain money (mostly), but to make the experience unconformable until you get tired and start paying (or leave, as in my case)
Yeah everyone using the word predatory needs a dictionary.
But it is a shitty move blasting ridiculously loud ads in people's ears. I do not blame people for circumventing them. I have no sympathy for services who offer bad ads.
ryanloh ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:07:42 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
actually, myself and 3 friends split a spotify family plan, $10/mo total. Even though I rarely used spotify before, it has become something I use way more frequently now.
Zhaso ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:20:04 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
So itโs annoying and bad UX, but itโs not deceptive.
If they didn't intentionally try to make the free experience shitty then I'd have no problem listening to adds. Like when it makes you listen to an extra long one for "30min add free" but you decide to swap artists after a song or two and it resets that also of course the volume and repetitiveness of them.
memtiger ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 14:30:05 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
...so don't use Spotify. No one is forcing the service on you.
RCFProd ยท 25 points ยท Posted at 16:11:01 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I mean, he just explained what "ad deceptive" means to a different user.
By breaching a ToS or EULA it is possible that you can be charged with a misdemeanor under the Computer Fraud and Abuse Act for unauthorized access to a companies servers. That said as long as you don't commit any other crimes you should be able to get away with only a small fine.
these people are the kind of people who wouldn't buy premium regardless. The ads being "too loud" is a pathetic excuse.
Seref15 ยท 58 points ยท Posted at 14:54:31 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I don't have a Spotify subscription and I don't use an ad-free pirated version. I used to use the free ad-supported version but I had to stop because of the volume. The volume situation isn't a good excuse to use a pirated app, but it is out of control.
I used to try and listen to music to fall asleep. Just when I'm about to fall unconscious I'd be blasted with
O-O-O-O'REILLY! *autoparts*
And it really is at least twice as loud as whatever you were listening to. A few years ago the Commercial Advertisement Loudness Mitigation Act was passed to keep broadcasters from doing this, but unfortunately it doesn't apply to the internet.
I've had to switch to a non-streaming music collection because those ads are just the worst.
If I were to buy the thousands of songs my whole family listens to on Spotify, I would spend... well, thousand of dollars. Continuously, since new music keeps coming out. I understand a subscription is not for everyone, and people with really small music collections probably donโt need it. But I donโt think you can equate having a Spotify subscription to having digital copies in terms of cost for an average modern music consumer (aka, one that listens to more than 15 news songs a month).
Zetalus ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:45:44 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I've had to stop using Spotify without premium because of the volume. I have sensitive hearing and when the ads start I have to remove my headphones, and even then I can still hear that intolerable screeching from the ad asking me to buy premium.
I recently had to cancel my premium and can't start it back up for another 6 months. I'm using Amazon music for the time being since I won't get hearing damage from that service.
If your product causes the users pain, you bet your ass that is a legitimate excuse for pirating.
If your product causes the users pain, you bet your ass that is a legitimate excuse for pirating.
No, it really isn't.
It's an excuse to pay for premium or to use a different service. Not liking how they run their free service isn't a legitimate excuse to steal it when there's a paid option that solves the issue.
This is you "laboring" over choosing which services you watch TV with
It's comparable to the streaming options from DirecTV Now, YouTube TV, Sling, etc. in both content and price. They all have pros and cons to them right now depending on what's important to you. Personally I like YouTube TV (not to be confused with YouTube Red, which is another thing))
Yet you bash someone for choosing which services they use to listen to music with?
munche ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:03:25 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I'm bashing someone who's doing backflips making excuses for not paying for something who's saying he's "considering buying premium" if the volume on the ads weren't loud. It's ridiculous. "I've really seriously considered spending $10 but then volume was high one time so FORGET IT!"
Also, those services cost the same as like, 3 combo meals each, so it's a much bigger financial decision than 1 combo meal
Not to mention when you pay the ad volume doesn't effect you in the slightest. So why would ad volume have anything to do with if you buy Premium or not.
"Ad volume is too high so I'm going to keep using the version with the loud ads instead of paying for the service meaning I don't have to deal with the loud ad volume"
munche ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:17:33 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Not to mention when you pay the ad volume doesn't effect you in the slightest. So why would ad volume have anything to do with if you buy Premium or not.
"Ad volume is too high so I'm going to keep using the version with the loud ads instead of paying for the service meaning I don't have to deal with the loud ad volume"
Exactly. Or hey, maybe then you disagree with how Spotify runs their ship so you go pay for Google Music or Apple Music or Tidal....nah, best develop a weird excuse for continuing to use the thing with the ads you hate but talk about how you've long been "considering" subscribing for $10
Lol you gotta visit r/piracy for their bullshit excuses. Nobody admits theyโre cheap. Iโm not saying i donโt pirate, but thatโs solely because Iโm cheap. Period.
How is he doing backflips? He gave an opinion about the volume of the ads. Pretty straightforward. Why all the theatrics? How is it any different than you having an opinion on YouTube TV? Or sling?
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:33:18 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Spotify has the largest library though. I mostly listen to lesser-known artists (hate myself for even typing that sentence) that aren't available on many platforms. Kojaque for example.
So, choosing beggars. Got it. "I want my free content exactly how I say! Then, I'll continue to not pay for it!" Why the fuck should they even listen to those people?
Except theres no reason for them to care about complaints from people who don't pay for the service. Why should they spend time and money curating their ads if they're only being served to people who don't pay? I don't much care if people block the ads--more power to those people. But acting like they're entitled to a curated service is what gets me.
Why should they spend time and money curating their ads if they're only being served to people who don't pay?
It's the same argument regarding web design. Obnoxious ads on your website will ensure people use an adblocker on your site. Make your ads at the very least tolerable, and adblock usage won't continue to spiral upward.
Their ads are a source of revenue, of course they should be curating them a little more so the user experience for their entire service isn't worsened. You won't convince me your service is worth paying for if I'm listening to quiet, chilled music only be blasted with:
DODODODO TRY SPOTIFY PREMIUM FOR JUST ยฃ9.99/MONTH DODODODODODODODODODO
[Dododo'ing continues for a solid thirty seconds for no particular reason at seemingly double the volume]
It jilts you out of the music, its actually woken me up in the past when I fell asleep to Olafur Arnalds. At the very worst, I'll stop using the service for its obnoxious ads and ear rape. Or I could use an adblocker to get rid of the obnoxious ads and avoid rewarding that sort of behaviour from the marketing/ad people at Spotify.
I'm not against adverts on Spotify, I still listen to about a dozen a day on my mobile app, but I totally understand the people who use one of the blockers... the ads are purposefully terrible.
I don't much care about the content of the interruptions to my music or when they do it, but can't stand simply having my music interrupted and wasting bandwidth and time on something I didn't want in the first place So it wasn't the obtrusive ads that had me switch to premium, it was just the presence of ads at all. That being said, the value is there if you grew up buying $10-$15-$20 albums in any frequency like I did, so it didn't feel like I was being forced to switch or let my ears bleed, but just a "I don't want to be marketed to when I'm trying to relax".
Imagine lying in bed late at night drifting off to something chill and calm, then suddenly a voice screaming at you about car insurance thunders from the speakers, or you're throwing a party, the music is pretty loud to begin with, then suddenly everyones ears are blown off because spotify really wants you to know about this local tradesman who can build you a new kitchen.
I have a subscription for the higher quality tracks but fuck that shit.
[deleted] ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 14:27:01 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It's deceptive because it's attempting to draw your attention away from anything else without warning or anything else. It's deceptive, but pretty much accepted in society.
Deception is to cause someone to believe something thatโs not true. Thatโs literally the definition of deception. Youโre wrong, and so is your justification for stealing from Spotify.
$10 a month is a pittance for something as amazing as Spotify, you should honestly be ashamed for stealing it.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:41:15 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
If you actually read, you'll see that I don't use Spotify at all because, personally, no music is worth money. I'm just not a music guy. I want music, I listen to the radio.
It's deception because they are trying to influence secretively. So in your mind, subliminal messaging isn't deceptive? Bait and switch isn't deceptive?
Weโre talking about the advertisements being louder than the music. There is nothing deceptive about that practice unless you consider advertisements inherently deceptive.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:55:07 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You didn't answer my question. If it's so obvious that the reason Spotify has loud ads is to get people to buy premium, is that deception? When the ads are for Spotify premium? And they're a business? How is this "subliminal"?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:12:06 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I wasn't calling this subliminal. That was in response to the previous comment.
So you pay attention to it. Once again, not deceptive.
237FIF ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:23:56 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You sound extremely paranoid.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:25:03 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
How so?
237FIF ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:32:03 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
By your definition, all advertising is deceptive and more or less out to get you in subliminal ways. Even if that is true to some degree, thatโs not really as big of a deal as you are making it out to be. You have to have more faith in your ability to decipher and reason.
moltari ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:06:56 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
then pay for the service. stop stealing music.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:08:59 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Once again, another victim to not reading. I don't use Spotify and I don't ever plan to.
moltari ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:25:04 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
no where in the comment i replied to did you say you're not using spotify. also, why does it matter? if you want to use a service and you dont like the ad model, pay for it. dont steal music.
Kayyam ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:26:31 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I like you.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:29:02 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Even without the music, Spotify hosts the music in several qualities including lossless, sorts it, maintains apps on every platform, maintains artist pages, they lay A LOT of groundwork for getting music to people. This is like stealing from Netflix - Netflix and Spotify both brought tv, movies, and music to people in an easy to digest format at an affordable price with NO ADS if you pay for their service, stealing from either is like stealing from the donation bin.
Of course illegal downloading is wrong. I donโt think thatโs in serious dispute.
Donโt act all confounded when users get in the habit of lowering the volume or outright muting ads when theyโre as loud and obnoxious as they are. I guess the good people at Spotify have a bit to learn about user experience with this specific demographic, because annoying people is not an effective sales pitch.
Kayyam ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 18:27:37 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Of course illegal downloading is wrong. I donโt think thatโs in serious dispute.
Of course it is. Illegal downloading in not always wrong. Just like stealing is not always wrong.
Sorry, I should have clarified that itโs legally wrong to illegally download music or other intellectual property. I also donโt necessarily think itโs morally wrong in every possible instance.
As someone who goes to great lengths to support artists and content creators that I enjoy, I also recognize that there will always be a percentage of people who don't want to pay for something.
The way I see it, either they don't like the content enough to pay, or they love the content, but cannot pay (for whatever reason)
If they don't like the content enough to pay, they wouldn't pay if they had no other option, they'd simply not consume the content.
If they like the content enough to pay, but cannot, then they're a future consumer and are probably advertising the artist by word of mouth.
So in the end, I don't see a whole lot of issue with this. It does suck for Spotify, since they pay-per-play, but if these people were forced to pay or listen to ads, I imagine many would simply find a different service.
Yeah. YouTube downloading is officially piracy, but even my pro-copyright parents are 100% fine with it since it is such a big thing and because users of such downloaders are never chased down (even though infringing on local copyright in my country is considered a "criminal" offense).
Iohet ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 14:24:51 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
At first I thought you were joking. Now I realize you aren't.
Ssyynnxx ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 14:23:10 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, but in practice it is a bit different, which means that you only get caught if you are illegitimately torrenting domestic content. If you sell pirate copies, it is much worse (they confiscate and sell your personal belongings in some cases in order to pay back the fine, etc...). As for foreign content (especially American), they don't seem to care at all even though the gov monitors ALL BitTorrent traffic (my best friend never got caught and he pirated tens of thousands of dollars worth of professional Adobe software without any protection). I actually got so paranoid when downloading Serbian music off my favorite 100% legal torrent site (archive.org) that I actually used a VPN (I do not know whether it was put there to preserve it for future generations or to deliberately trap downloaders). I personally stay away from pirate torrent sites because my parents banned them and promised big punishments if an infringement notice comes, but they let me download all the crap I want from archive.org and legittorrents.info !
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:01:53 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I guess if we get tons of people to start stealing cars off the lot the police wonโt be able to do anything because so many people do it... and because nobody chases them anymore itโs okay to steal!
GUYS WE DONT HAVE TO PAY FOR ANYTHING AS LONG AS WE ALL STEAL IT
usaff22 ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 14:27:38 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
How is it deceptive? Did the website or adverts for Spotify free say โAd volume is the same volume as your music!โ?
[deleted] ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 14:32:30 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
That would be illegal. Deception is not about legality.
ryanloh ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 15:08:51 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
nah, but that should be a common courtesy for everything.
Streaming TV is notoriously bad about this as well. Whatever the volume equalization of the programming is should be carried through to all the ads within said program.
Common courtesy is paying a reasonable subscription fee for the music youโre listening to
ryanloh ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:57:43 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I agree with you, and I do personally.
but it doesn't make sense that across all platforms it's not a standard to have commercial volumes the same as the music. I don't see why that is an issue people disagree on. It's not like I'm trying to NOT listen to the commercials, just play them at the same volume as the music?
I mean I understand why people would be annoyed by it. But I think Spotify gives you a pretty easy solution not to hear the ads at all, so I think it's pretty much a non-issue
Zetalus ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:50:45 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Some people can't afford to be spending $10/month on spotify or don't use it enough to justify the spending. Having the ad option is perfectly fine for most people since everyone gets paid for listening. What isn't fine is causing your users pain for choosing that option.
If you canโt afford it, donโt use the service. If you absolutely have to use the service, deal with the ads. If you absolutely canโt deal with the ads, pay for the service.
You get no sympathy from me for skimping on 30 cents a day for unlimited, ad-free streaming music from almost any artist you can name.
Or if you donโt like their monetization you could just use a different service or start your own. You donโt get to leave the grocery store with goods for free because you donโt like the pricing...
What was your argument during the mp3/Napster days? And will your current justification for stealing change when the way we get our media changes again?
Cdevon2 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:53:49 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
If you don't want to support Spotify, don't use it. That's how it works for literally anything else.
Loud advertisements aren't deceptive, it's how advertising has been done on audio mediums since the beginning of time. Haven't you ever noticed how the commercials on TV are at least a few dbs louder than the show?
Deceptive ad practices like playing the ad loud? May I have clarification as to what's "deceptive" about this?
svenne ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:17:29 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Is this different per country perhaps? Maybe it's an American thing? Never ever noticed this in Sweden, though there used to be a fucking Bee commercial that made me think I had a bee in my ear and I panicked for a second every time.
When did "I'm taking their stuff for free!" become the answer to business practices you disagree with, rather than "I'm not going to use their service".
No. We can make them now. Because "deceptive ad practices" (TIL loud volume hurting your wittle eaws is "deceptive") don't entitle you to steal. Period. It isn't rocket science.
Thatโs fucking stupid. Donโt like the ads, but premium. Or donโt use it. Or accept that if you do use an adblocker to suppress the ads, youโre an asshole whoโs stealing from artists. Donโt pretend to be this warrior for internet justice
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:00:09 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I'm staring a crusade against advertisements!!!! /s
I thought that was the labels' fault, not Spotify's, because they just don't pay artists well for any streaming listens compared to physical/online song purchases.
I think the biggest thing that differentiates digital ads from "analog" ads is that, for analog, the content provider has already been paid for the ad placement. Whether you change the channel or mute the volume is irrelevant. When it come to Spotify or any website with ads, they get paid on impressions, listens, or clicks. So, blocking the ad is money directly out of their pocket. I won't argue on the morality of ad blocking, but I will say that if you enjoy a website or service and wouldn't like to see it go away, you're not doing that site or service any favors by disrupting their main source of revenue. Personally, I pay for Spotify so I can support the service AND not have to listen to ads.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:45:36 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
This is a much more reasonable opinion than the people calling ad-blocking "stealing."
True in short term. But if 50% of people mute their TV ads, the ads will be 50% less effective. Cable companies need to lower the price and it still hurt their revenue, albeit indirectly.
If they could find a way to fix the loophole and then force those users to listen to every ad they skipped before resuming normal play, thatd be justice.
msau9 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:49:03 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I hope I'm dead before we reach that much commercialization
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 17:58:10 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Is the pirated version of spotify just muting the ads, or is it completely removing them so there is never a break in the music?
naz2292 ยท -6 points ยท Posted at 17:35:44 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Don't use a premium service if you don't want to pay for it? You are stealing in your scenario. Plus your example doesn't make sense. You don't pay to listen to the radio. It's a free service that sustains itself through ads.
Stealing implies something is lost. Is there an exchange of money every time I hear a song anywhere? That is the only way this could possibly be stealing.
I agree. Fortunately, those people have been compensated by people who can afford to pay premium and/or are willing to expand the advertising bubble.
naz2292 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:10:58 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I dunno. Is there an exchange of money every time you connect to the internet in your private home? Or every time you enter a gym? Have you all never paid for a service before? Lol
Yes it's stealing because you are depraving a company the money owed to them for a service that one must pay for.
Like do whatever you want on your phone man i don't care much. But don't act all high and mighty over stealing.
Edit: Rather then responding to every dense person out there parroting the same trite "you can only steal physical objects hurr Durr checkmate" response see the link below.
Yes it's stealing because you are depraving a company the money owed to them for a service that one must pay for.
Stealing involves depriving someone of their property. Illegal downloading is not stealing and neither should not be confused with each other. Refusal to listen to these shitty, obnoxious Spotify advertisements is not stealing, nor does it constitute an illegal download of the adjoining music.
naz2292 ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 18:32:59 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
This link is not really pertinent to the topic. Where in Spotifyโs terms or applicable laws does it state that the user must listen to ads on the free service?
naz2292 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:41:27 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I dunno. But if you think about it for a quick second: why would Spotify have a premium service with ads removed if they thought it was perfectly fine to block ads for free?
You are receiving a premium service (ad free usage) by circumnavigating the due cost which fits perfectly with the definition of theft of services.
Edit: since you don't think the link is pertinent, I'll highlight this section from the site:
"the person obtains services, known by that person to be available only for compensation, by deception, force, threat, or other means to avoid payment for the services;"
I dunno. But if you think about it for a quick second: why would Spotify have a premium service with ads removed if they thought it was perfectly fine to block ads for free?
Why do they allow volume adjustment if they believe skipping or muting the ads constitutes theft?
You are receiving a premium service (ad free usage) by circumnavigating the due cost which fits perfectly with the definition of theft of services.
But Iโd be circumnavigating it by talking over the ad to someone else, or by lowering the volume of the device. Using a software-based blocker is over the line, apparently, though.
"the person obtains services, known by that person to be available only for compensation, by deception, force, threat, or other means to avoid payment for the services;"
But Spotifyโs advertisement-ridden service is free of charge. It still has nothing to do about why muting ads is somehow theft and now youโre contradicting yourself.
naz2292 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:05:02 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Why do they allow volume adjustment if they believe skipping or muting the ads constitutes theft?
I never said anything about volume adjustment. This article is about people using third party apps to use Spotify's premium service without paying for it. How do you suppose Spotify is going to track users turning down their mobile / car volume during ads?
But Spotifyโs advertisement-ridden service is free of charge. It still has nothing to do about why muting ads is somehow theft and now youโre contradicting yourself
Spotify's ad free service is not free of charge since you have to pay a monthly fee for it. You and/or anyone one else bypassing Spotify's pay-wall knows ad-free has a monthly cost which they eschew paying for by using a third party software.
If you don't think theft of services is an issue that's your own personal moral judgement. But I don't know how you can believe using an unlicensed third party app to use a paid service for free is not stealing aka theft of services.
I never said anything about volume adjustment. This article is about people using third party apps to use Spotify's premium service without paying for it.
Whatโs the difference between lowering the volume and using software? Both of them involve skipping ads.
Spotify's ad free service is not free of charge since you have to pay a monthly fee for it.
Wait, so itโs like Hulu for music? Iโm not a Spotify user, so I didnโt know they charged and placed ads on their music.
Any service thatโs that out of touch with everyday internet users is probably going to have a tough time with people trying to beat the system in this day and age. They probably have some numbers on whoโs blocking ads, so itโs their choice on whether or not to adjust their business model or to try and part the sea.
But Spotifyโs advertisement-ridden service is free of charge. It still has nothing to do about why muting ads is somehow theft and now youโre contradicting yourself.
I'm not sure that we're talking about the same thing. Turning down the volume is one thing. Using software to circumvent the ads entirely so that they don't play is something completely different.
In consideration for the rights granted to you under the Agreements, you grant us the right (1) to allow the Spotify Service to use the processor, bandwidth, and storage hardware on your Device in order to facilitate the operation of the Service, (2) to provide advertising and other information to you, and (3) to allow our business partners to do the same. In any part of the Spotify Service, the Content you view, including its selection and placement, may be influenced by commercial considerations, including agreements with third parties. Some Content licensed, provided to or otherwise made available by Spotify (e.g. podcasts) may contain advertising as part of the Content.
You grant them the right to provide advertising to you. If you block the advertising, you are breaching the EUA.
Why am I the bad guy for disabling the user-hostile parts of their software? Intellectual property is theft, skipping advertisements is not.
No, what you're doing is breaching the User Agreement, which is a contract. When you use the software for free, you consent to receiving ads from them. By circumventing the ads, you're in breach and you're causing them to miss out on revenue that they're entitled to by your use of the service. It's not exactly stealing, but it's basically morally equivalent.
Do you think it's """stealing""" to mute your TV when the ads turn on too? Am I allowed to change radio stations? What if I'm driving down the street and I choose to look at the road instead of stare at billboards the whole time?
Hey, you please do better, because these are examples of things that aren't governed by user agreements. Apples and oranges.
Some jurisdictions won't enforce them because they're effectively adhesion contracts. But it's far more complicated than that, and many jurisdictions enforce them. I'm not arguing that he's going to get sued, though; just that he's a dishonest, entitled leech.
That's overly simplistic. Different people have different tolerances for practices like this. The people with low tolerance push the companies to innovate new revenue models. If the music industry powers that be had their way, we would all still be buying overpriced albums full of songs that most people don't care about just to hear one or two good songs. Not to mention the fact that many people wouldn't be using the service if they had to pay for it (or watch/listen to ads or whatever), so it's not actually lost revenue since the revenue was never there to be had in the first place.
Iโm not going the tolarate phyisical pain and discomfort so someone else can make a dime.
Itโs just not going to happen.
Hessper ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 20:34:47 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
And you are forced to listen to Spotify and are not allowed to pay them to disable the ads, so the only way to get around this pain is to block ads. I get you dude, you're right.
No one is saying you have to listen to ads. But if you choose to use the ad supported version of Spotify and circumvent the ads, you are indeed taking money away from the artists.
You are welcomed to feel however you want about that.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:54:30 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Of course you COULD give money right to the artist, but the fact that you are listening on Spotify means you havenโt done that. This is the part you are failing to see.
The person is both choosing not to pay the artist, not pay the people the pay the artist, and make use of the artists art and the persons service, all while not paying.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:03:20 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It doesnโt MEAN that but it suggests that, and for many many people Iโm sure it does mean that. There are two million people doing this according to the article, you think all of them have paid for the artists material and then decide to stream it on the ad supported version of Spotify, all while going through the trouble of blocking the ads?
Please think this through.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:13:23 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
"Because one contract can been seen in my eyes as unfair, that now means all contracts in existence are now equally unfair and can be completely voided"....
That's like saying "yeah you should pay back your debts if you owe money, except this one time this guy had an unfair debt to repay so now no one ever has to repay their debts again".
That is literally the logic you're using. Not disputing the reasons why you feel you shouldn't.
Just because I don't like the service I got from one waiter one time doesn't mean I never tip waiters again for the rest of my life. But apparently that's the route you choose and prefer.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:34:06 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
What you're saying is because slaves had contracts, your contract 200 years later is no longer valid...
And can you please explain how not listening to ads or paying for the premium model is the equivalent of dining and dashing while leaving a big tip? You're just cheap and trying to find some moral justification for it.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 17:47:27 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
But the thing is you're NOT sending the $20 to the worker who made it.... You're NOT leaving the big tip for the waiter... And at the same time you're saying any contract between two people of differing financial situations is now invalid because of slavery....
Use all the mental gymnastics you want. You're not paying the people creating the content you enjoy. While also saying by somehow not paying for the premium service or listening to any of the advertisements, you're somehow "stealing a shirt while paying the worker who made it $20" while not paying anyone a dime.
You're just cheap and don't care. Stop trying to make it sound like you're above everyone else for not supporting the people who give you stuff you like for free.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:24:49 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Absolutely... If you really don't like the way a company uses it platform to say host ads, then don't use it... Because I have enough decency and common sense to realize that if everybody uses ad blockers said website would have to become a paid subscription website to access to be able to stay running.
Now if you wanted to say use ad blocker while also buying some Reddit gold I would be fine with that. Because you're compensating them for their services and getting no ads which is what you want.
What you fail to realize is the only thing keeping all the websites you love from all becoming subscription services is advertising.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:43:04 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Then go make one. If you really care so much about it, go do something about it. Instead using a website daily that apparently goes against what you project to be your moral obligations.
But you won't. You'll just stay on Reddit complaining about capitalism. That will solve your problems.
My point is that capitalist labor is structurally similar to slavery
Fine. Advocate for systemic change. But it's morally repugnant to criticize the system and then play into it.
You have a fucking Pixel XL. Manufactured by HTC through contracts with third party manufacturers in Taiwan, China, and India. Your mobile phone was affordable to you because it was constructed by almost literal fucking slave labor in China, and you have the audacity to whine about having to listen to ads and how that's exploiting you? You have the gall to compare that to African-Americans being whipped for being in the state of Oregon?
You're fucking disgusting. You're a fucking cog in the capitalist system that you claim to oppose, and you only raise the issue of worker's rights when it comes to justifying your own immoral behavior. You don't have the fucking ethical cojones to opt out of the system, so instead you attempt to reap the benefit without contributing and then start virtue signaling when called on it?
Maybe you can explain to me how you run Android without engaging in capitalism and I can follow your lead?
I don't. I have a Galaxy S8. But I also don't steal services and then try to portray myself as some kind of conscientious objector to capitalism. You're a massive hypocrite.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:06:00 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yes. You agree to compensate them through your conduct for a service, and then don't perform. If you just admitted it, that would be one thing. But instead you're so morally deficient as a person that you actually try to spin yourself as a victim akin to slaves and serfs in order to justify your immoral behavior.
People will respect you more if you just say you're too cheap to pay for it man. Trust me I will gladly criticize capitalism every day but do you really not see how disingenuous it is to jump from advertisements to literal slavery. When I criticize capitalism it's in the form of looking at actual real-life modern issues that hurt people not to justify the fact that I don't want to shell out 120 dollars a year to use a service I enjoy. You could always stop using the service completely if you really think it's equal to slavery.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:12:01 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Haha then don't be surprised when services change their rules to make money. I bet you're complaining that Reddit is changing it's services to be more social. Their services their rules right?
This is literally the same as "don't use an ad-blocker on Reddit, if you don't want ads you should pay for Reddit Gold".
Sure. And, for the record, I use Ad-Block on reddit on the rare times when my reddit Gold lapses. But I admit that it's because I'm cheap and lazy. I'm not trying to analogize myself to a fucking slave because of how the services that I use for free choose to monetize.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:50:16 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The fact remains that under no moral framework do you have any obligation to willfully submit to corporate brainwashing in the form of advertisements.
You receive a service that costs money to provide and which supports people's livelihood, for free. You support that by explicitly agreeing to the terms of use, which guarantees them the right to advertise to you.
Drithyin ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 18:25:06 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Are runaway slaves bad for breaching their """agreement""" with their abuser? Would you berate a feudal peasant for breaching the terms of their """contract""" with their lord?
Quit your bullshit. You know full well this is not even vaguely comparable. You knowingly agree to this contract and are under no obligation to use this software. If you don't like it, you can just stop using Spotify. It's not a right you are entitled to.
[deleted] ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 18:31:39 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
If someone steals your phone and then tries to sell it back to you, should you """steal""" it back? The only question is where to draw the line, who gets to draw the line , and how to decide whether a previously drawn line is correctly placed.
Spotify took nothing of yours. They offer a service with 2 compensation options and you are stealing it by providing neither. You have provided a profoundly stupid analogy.
Personally, I think we should be active in all three and actively decide who's an authority on a given subject. I'm personally hesitant to yield complete economic authority to the direct beneficiaries of global capitalism, but if you think that WalMart has your best interests at heart you should absolutely follow all their rules. Maybe they'll even offer you an opportunity for employment!
blah blah blah, this is blathering bullshit unrelated to the reality at hand. We aren't talking about yielding a right you had to Spotify. This isn't about following some arbitrary rule unrelated to the most basic terms of providing compensation for a service that is entirely optional and discretionary.
You are bullshitting an excuse to deny a property owner's right to sell their service on their terms. As the consumer, you don't dictate terms. You agree and partake, or disagree and look for a competitor/abstain. You have no inalienable right to Taylor Swift tunes. It's not about the content owners "knowing what's best for you", it being a fucking adult and paying a very nominal fee for a service, or accepting the inconvenience-tax of adverts. Using the service without either form of compensation is in a gray area between contract breach and theft. Neither are morally defensible.
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 19:18:25 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You don't get to chose not to recognize someone's property. That's theft-apologist horseshit. Making up hyperbolic examples doesn't erase the fundamental bad idea of suggesting you don't recognize the concept of private property. If you don't, someone could just go take your shit and wave it away with some new-age-anarchist bullshit philosophy.
You don't get to say you are winning at chess because you don't recognize the limitations set on the pawns while trying to move them in zig-zags around the board. There are basic inalienable rights we all have, an a right to our own property is one of them. That prevents you from stealing my food. Late-stage capitalism is bullshit in a lot of ways, but the notion that services rendered require compensation if you agree to the terms at the outset is pretty universally agreeable. Suggesting otherwise is some 3edgy5me-anarcho-bullshit.
If someone steals your phone and then tries to sell it back to you, should you """steal""" it back?
that's not even close.
if you had somehow bought a full version of spotify already and then they turned on ads, yea ok you can make a case.
but that's not the case.
you are simply arguing that you dont have to pay for products made by corporations because you believe they have enough money already and other people will foot the bill.
just say that and move on- its a woefully shit argument- but everything else you've been saying is shit.
You agreed by clicking "I Agree" when you signed up.
And your little clause, while cute, is not binding because you are not Reddit, the owner of this platform. Additionally, it is counter to the superseding agreement and rules of Reddit.
It also proves you know exactly when/how you agreed to the clause, as you tried to cheekily use the same style of clause to make a point (badly).
If you made your own forum and injected that rule, I would simply chose not to use your platform, as I find its terms unacceptable, and I would seek out a competitor or choose not to partake at all. You know, like a rational adult.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:48:20 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
And don't talk down to me about religious bullshit. You are trying to pretend there's some moral justification for stealing a paid service without compensation.
Are runaway slaves bad for breaching their """agreement""" with their abuser? Would you berate a feudal peasant for breaching the terms of their """contract""" with their lord?
Are you fucking serious? You're going to compare being "forced" to pay for music (that you're not forced to consume, and which you can also get by listening to ads, and which you can get legally through other avenues) to fucking forced labor and serfdom? What a fucking joke.
Oh no, the billionaire shareholders failed to capture both my income and attention. :'(
Still doesn't make you any better than a thief.
It's really not.
You're like the /r/shoplifting folks trying to justify stealing because they're just doing it from the wealthy. You agreed to consume ads that provide them revenue when you signed up for the free service. By circumventing that, you're breaching your agreement and costing them money.
I'd like to imagine that you're a morally reasonable person, and therefore you can probably agree that whipping African-Americans is a bad thing. Unfortunately, Oregon used to have a user agreement that described how any African-American found in Oregon was subject to 40 lashes every six months until they left.
Another idiotic comparison.
Again, assuming you aren't morally repugnant, can we agree that "if they don't want lashings they shouldn't go to Oregon" is wrong? If so, we can agree that user agreements can be oppressive and morally wrong, and that when disobedience is a net positive then it's a moral obligation to take part in that disobedience.
Your "disobedience" is not a net positive. You're fucking insane.
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zzzzip ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:13:03 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Dont believe in the idea of private property. Serious?
Lol - itโs very clear that youโre not interested in a debate about this topic - youโre just attempting to justify what youโre doing by downplaying everyoneโs relevant and pertinent facts that theyโre throwing your way.
Comparing a paid(and moderately priced) service to slavery and peasantry? Lol
And then trying to justify it by saying itโs okay because theyโre a large company? Youโre just creating arbitrary rules my dude.
Iโm going to justify taking a shit in your chest . Why? Because you have bundy in your name. If weโre coming up with arbitrary reasons to do things, then why not??
If you donโt like the terms of their services, itโs quite simple - donโt use their service.
"Making me compensate those who provide me services for the services they provide is like slavery, serfdom, and/or a criminal punishment of whipping people for their race."
You're a fucking troll.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 17:20:57 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The contract between slave and master is not comparable as it was not made voluntary. Slavery is forced. Spotify contract is voluntary. Extremely important difference.
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 17:36:46 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You are full of shit and you know it. Wage slavery/forced labor isn't in any way similar to Spotify offering a free service that requires consumption of adverts.
Comparing a paid(and moderately priced) service to slavery and peasantry? Lol
Don't forget governmentally-imposed beatings on the basis of race, which are clearly the same as making you provide some form of compensation to the entity providing you with a service you want.
they're getting paid for a worthless service then. if I don't see or hear the ad, and they still get paid anyway, despite earning the company nothing, how is that better than blocking an ad in the first place?
If you're being sincere, and you really do have a question about why blocking ads makes you "the bad guy", then I'm more than happy to help with this question. Let me know! It's an interesting subject.
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 16:49:47 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I think the difference is in how people get paid. Musicians (from what I know but could be wrong) are given money based on the number and length of ads that play while listening to their music, similarly to YouTube videos. Therefore, by blocking ads, you are indeed saying fuck you to Spotify themselves, but youโre also taking money from the creator. Granted, itโs PENNIES because you have to get a lot of listens to even make a dollar, but everyone doing it adds up.
Iโm hazier on how TV and radio ads work, but muting a TV ad or definitely still gives the creators the money cause the ad is still running. Changing radio stations, not too sure about that one, maybe they get paid ahead of time. But the better comparison to TV muting would be turning the volume down on an ad on Spotify.
Iโm not judging, by the way. I used to use ad block to listen to Spotify until my family got a family plan. I just think you need to see who itโs ACTUALLY possibly affecting.
EDIT: It seems after a bit of research that it seems Spotify gets a pool of money from ads and subscriptions and distributes the money based on number of streams for tracks. However, this still does not make it okay to do this! Because of you not playing ads, the ad money is less than what Spotify could be getting and distributing to artists if you were running ads. Streaming for free when some form of compensation is asked for use of the system is still stealing. It doesn't matter if you're stealing from the corporate bigwigs.
I am 99% sure the artists get paid per play of their track, regardless of whether an ad rolls or not. When you block ads you are taking money from spotify, because they still have to pay the artists for the plays.
After reading up on it a bit, it seems that you are correct! However, the ad money goes into a pool that is distributed amongst all artists based on the popularity of tracks. Very interesting!
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:32:53 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
That's incorrect. Artists are paid (fractions of pennies) based on amount of plays. Their money is not directly tied to length of ad.
Remember that this parasitic megacorporation allows you to listen to any music you want for free anyways, so long as you're willing to sit through a few loud ads. The better analogy of muting your TV would be turning the volume down on your phone/computer when the ad plays.
Also, I'm genuinely curious how Spotify exploits their workers to provide you this free service. Please do tell.
By all means, continue stealing. Maybe Spotify will kill their free service altogether if your keep at it.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:51:39 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Just to be clear, is your point that manually turning down the volume is okay, but automating it isn't?
That is absolutely what I'm saying. The whole model of a premium service is to provide value over the free service. The value here is that premium users don't need to go through the hassle of listening to or avoiding ads. If you remove that incentive to buy the premium service, Spotify stops making money. If they make no money, they can't pay artists and they go out of business.
You should research how capitalism works. I'm not making a jab, I'm serious. You might learn something.
Nice dodge. I'm not talking about 'capitalism' in general. I'm specifically talking about Spotify. Convince me that they are exploiting their workers and thus deserve to be stolen from.
Nice dodge. I'm not talking about 'capitalism' in general. I'm specifically talking about Spotify. Convince me that they are exploiting their workers and thus deserve to be stolen from.
How does refusal to listen to an advert constitute theft? Is there some kind of written agreement the user has breached whereby they were required to listen to these ads? Is it nullified if they werenโt paying close enough attention? If I asked my roommate a question over the playback of these mandatory ads, where should I mail Spotifyโs deserved restitution? I hope they take checks.
If I asked my roommate a question over the playback of these mandatory ads
That's totally fine. The ad played. Maybe someone heard it, maybe someone didn't. That's how advertising works, ya know?
Their free service is literally a vehicle to get paid subscribers. They don't offer it out of the goodness of their hearts. Would you prefer Spotify to not offer a free service?
That's totally fine. The ad played. Maybe someone heard it, maybe someone didn't. That's how advertising works, ya know?
If talking over the ad is not a big deal, what about that changes if the ad is muted or otherwise blocked?
Their free service is literally a vehicle to get paid subscribers. They don't offer it out of the goodness of their hearts. Would you prefer Spotify to not offer a free service?
I donโt use Spotify, so thatโs a moot point. YouTube has better selection and Apple Music and Amazon both offer more competitive rates.
naz2292 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 18:19:12 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
If you really detest international mega conglomerates, then you ought to stop using and promoting (yes that's what you are doing every time you listen to Spotify with your friends) their services.
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Awfy ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:04:00 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You seem pretty short sighted. It takes money away from the other Spotify subscribers who pay for the service since Spotify will pass the cost onto them instead of shareholders.
You're stealing from the average Joe, not a billionaire.
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Awfy ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:48:49 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You seem to think we're all worried about the billionaire's back pockets, we're not. We're worried about our own and you're supporting the people who're potentially causing it for the sakes of maybe getting back at some billionaires which you even admit won't work since the profits go to them regardless.
most people are actually. by "we" you're referring to your right wing camp, not the entirety of humanity
Awfy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:54:22 on March 25, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You think I'm a right winger? I'm a Scottish liberal living in California. Even Bernie's policies were too right wing for me. I just don't think you realize who you're actually hurting with your idiocy.
I see. I understand and respect your opinion on this. It's valid and interesting and thought-through.
That being said, I hope you can understand how some people might see it this way:
All the rationale behind why it's not "stealing" (as well as the rationale that others have given -- the ads are intrusive, the ads are loud, etc) -- can be seen as good reasons not to use the service at all. By using the service, you're agreeing to pay the price (either literally the price, or the price of sitting through ads that could be bullshit, or the price of using a service that exploits their workers). Some people would say that by taking what you want from the service, but not wanting to pay the price asked, that is stealing. Those folks might say you should, instead, not use the service at all.
Hope you got something out of that, as I got something out of your point of view. Happy Friday!
Rhysk ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 17:06:11 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I think he's saying that he agrees it is stealing, and that it is OK to steal in this context.
We are all cheap thieves who do things that benefit ourselves. And we justify our action with various* argument.
Ad blocking on websites objectively takes away the revenue. But people do it because it's "intrusive", "malware" etc. You can simply not visit the website.
YouTube Vanced is exactly the same as Spotify Dogfood, but people accept it because "limited availability of YouTube Red". You can stop using YouTube if you don't want to see ads.
Somehow, people turn against us Spotify Dogfood users, while being as cheap as us.
not my problem. nobody's forcing the artists to use a shit system.
and, like I said, they're paid per play, not per ad view. They get some fraction of a cent anytime that play button is pushed, but I'm not 100% sure on the nitty gritty. I'm going by what I read here.
My point was that Spotify pays artists with advertising money, so if you are skipping the advertisements while listening to your favorite artist, you are taking away from the money Spotify uses to pay artists.
You are saying that a model like Spotify does not support the artist and if want to support an artist you like you should find some other way? I agree wholeheartedly.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:57:33 on March 26, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Do you not think that Spotify losing ad revenue from 2 million users affects the payout to artists? All these rates are decided on in context of Spotify's revenue, and you don't think that ad money from another 2 million users would change that?
That is the only point I am trying to make.
Right now, artists are incentivized to use Spotify because it is, and has been for awhile, the most used streaming service, and therefore a great way to spread your music to a widespread audience. This is why artists will use Spotify even though the payout is so small.
There's a difference between Cable and Radio ads compared to Streaming internet ads.
For cable and radio they pay for the time slot, so the channel advertising gets their money up front.
For streaming ads they don't get their compensation unless the AD is played to a viewer.
Like for Twitch.tv streamers, if everyone watching their ads used ad block, they wouldn't get anything back for it. Im pretty sure it goes the same for Spotify and Pandora as well.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:05:39 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Everyones using the โyour hurting the artistโ argument but they all seem to forget that spotify itself has some of the most shady practices for artist payment, artists get something like 30% of the revenue made from playing their songs on spotify? Yea. Ill pass.
usaff22 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 21:38:59 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
So donโt use it then. Just because you disagree with a companyโs policies doesnโt give you a right to steal from them.
Arge1497 ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 23:13:30 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Everyones argument ever against this is โwell then just dont use itโ. Cmon man, you can do better
usaff22 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:41:31 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I don't pay for cabel either but still get public broadcast. Tv ads are cancer hence why I cut the cord and just stream everything. Once ads start coming to my streaming services I'll just pirate to get rid of ads.
Oh do I really โโโโโโโโโโโโpayโโโโโโโโโโ for the service? Is it โโโโneccesarryโโโโโโโโโ for me to โdrinkโโ my own โโโurineโโโ?????
[deleted] ยท -8 points ยท Posted at 17:33:15 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Your use of " really makes you look dumb, tbh.
Cable is a service you pay for, maybe it's not you but your parent's paid for it and hooked it up in their basement ยฏ\_(ใ)_/ยฏ
If you're altering the pay for product to be free wouldn't that be stealing? I assume spotify wouldn't have a problem if you just muted volume when an ad plays.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:52:30 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Possibly. But I still like them, we get served way too many ads as is. I will say though, if you want spotify to exist you should probably pay for their service. Otherwise they may not exist in the future. Ultimately its on spotify to make sure their customers pay tho.
When you pay for cable tv, you pay for the whole package. By pirating Spotify, you are literally getting it for free. i mean, I don't use Spotify but thats a bad argument.
I feel like a lot of people think they are supporting artists with using spotify.
And while technically correct, paying for music is better for a sustainable and evolving music industry than pirating. And yes, the artist technically gets paid.
But I would argue supporting a business model like spotify is what is killing music. The artists get paid virtually nothing for having their music in disgustingly low quality available. They market it as a solution to decade old problem of record revenue declining, while in reality they are contributing to it more than something like napster ever did.
ร would greatly urge you to take a look at spotify's payment structure towards the artist. How they are growing as a business, having more streams per song on average and manage to pay less to the artist the more they make. How records that cost tens of thousands of dollars to record & mix for starting bands now make about $500 bucks in sales if they are extremely successful on spotify.
Sure, ease of use is great, and having such a vast record collection at the ready can be worth the money to a lot of people. But pls don't think you are doing something noble for artists around the world.
tl:dr Paying is great for making spotify rich, not for supporting your favorite artist.
Okay, then a new company like spotify will appear with a better pay model.
Ads have been getting more and more cancer each passing year. Before they were very passive. Now you have to actively participate which ads you'd rather see (Hulu). I'll adblock that because i'd rather not waste my limited bandwidth loading that, not to mention wasting time in my life.
Devil's advocate: The artists make fractions of pennies from streams as opposed to other forms. Lack of streaming won't hurt them monetarily as much as it will with exposure
If I knew people were dependent on me collecting ad revenue from my product I would listen to my users when they told me, repeatedly, that those same ads were obnoxious to the point that they couldn't stand them.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:22:47 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
lol foh
gulyman ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:37:55 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Nope. I'm stopping my computer from downloading something I don't want.
I have at no point agreed to download their ads, but when I make a request to their server they send me a list of things to download. I then choose which ones I want to download, and they gladly send them to me.
It's like if you went to a museum that has free entry, but in one of the galleries there was a table with little hats and a sign that said "little hats for you to wear". You know that some artist will get a dollar if you wear a little hat, but that's pretty stupid and I'm not going to wear a little hat.
Eh fuck it. Spotify have sketchy revenue shares for artists anyway. If you want to support artists, buy their music on bandcamp, go to shows or share their stuff on social media. Sirius XM radio pays well too and let's you discover a bunch of new stuff, so do local college radios.
I'm a musician and I couldn't care less. Spotifiy's safe ass playlist system is a fucking curse too, you've got so many artist doing music "to get on playlists" nowadays. I'm kinda rambling but my main point is Spotifiy (and other streaming services) don't pay the artists and are very sketchy regardings reproduction rights, why should I support them?
And as a result, a lot of us haven't listened to broadcast radios in years. I sure as hell haven't. AUX input and cruise for the last 100k miles probably.
You act like everyone uses radio. The only times I use FM radio in the car is if I make a really short trip like 5 minuets or less and I donโt feel like pulling my phone out of my pocket. And when ads do play on a station I flip to another one.
Every time you listen to a song Spotify has to pay at least royalties (which is significant) and the cost of sending the song to you (which is pretty small). In exchange they want you to either pay them directly or to listen to their adds so they can cover the costs of the royalties and infrastructure that way.
If you work around this so that you are listening to the music without giving them any revenue in a way they don't approve, I would say you are pretty much stealing even if no one is removing anything physical from them.
This is also not the same as piracy where you just make a copy of something, listening to their catalog actually costs them money. If you don't want to pay it's better to use piratebay than leech of a company that's struggling to make money in the first place.
While I do pay for Spotify, you're really stealing more from the labels and Spotify itself than the actual artists. Artists get paid almost nothing from those plays, it's sad.
lol Iโm a paid Google Music subscriber but Spotify is gonna pay the artist .0000003 cents per stream whether Iโm adding to their c-suiteโs yacht fund or not
to be fair, the spotify ads are unacceptably loud. at least back when I had the free version. I'd be listening to some slow music and then BAM 3x louder than normal audio with really upbeat music
b2A ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:16:11 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
oh we are stealing from rich peoples, that's so sad, we should give em more money.
I win 800โฌ/month; they win million $. Sorry if I steal their music. I have no money to pay for it.
They ran an ad where the last 20 seconds where a guy telling you that because you can't listen to music without listening to ads, he'll now make you listen to him singing intentionally crooked for ten seconds.
Spotify can go fuck themselves.
esacbw ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:08:24 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
While I agree with your comment, but Spotify doesn't have any money anyway - they made a loss of around $1bn last year and about $600m the year before IIRC. Hence why they aren't able to pay artists any more than they do at the moment - especially with their DPO coming up in a few weeks
The artist really isnโt losing anything. They sign contracts that are usually fee based on a per play of a track or some flat fee. Spotify loses ad revenue and thatโs it.
Spotify's making ads a unpleasant experience by design. That coupled with luring a lot of free or discounted premium users who eventually end up on free.. pretty scummy.
Ask Spotify why I could hear 2 Ford commercials in a row.. the one with death metal playing really loud for 1/2 the commercial. Probably hear it a 3rd and 4th time before the end of the day.
I think its time everyone realizes we're in a day and age where people pay what they want for entertainment. At age 12, I had thousands of songs on my 40$ MP3 player.. meanwhile the generation before me spent 1000s on CDs they can't listen to anymore. (CD players are obsolete and its very hard to convert CDs into digital that isn't considered "pirated") Its the very same deal for me.. I'm either gonna pay 120/y for the rest of my life and/or end up with no music collection at some point..
So no thanks. There's a million legal and "illegal" ways to get free music, why should I pay for music? I consume way too much entertainment to pay for all of it. If I couldn't pirate or "hack" my way into what I want the most, I would use something free instead. They're not losing any business with me lol.
mickmon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:48:03 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I'm an artist on spotify and know how little top artists make making you're argument invalid. They basically don't pay artists anything, it's lower than any other streaming platform. You're just refusing to pay spotify for a service that doesn't support its content creators.
Considering the fact that everyone used to just pirate 10 years ago, it's not bad that we don't want to listen to ads. I pay for pro.
When I didn't, you better believe I would mute ads or do whatever to avoid them. Don't let ads ruin your ecosystem (cough Facebook) and expect people to like your service.
listening to something thats being broadcast is not stealing. stealing takes something away. listening to a copy of a song does not effect the original
If I steal a pair of jeans from walmart, am I stealing from the jean company or from walmart?
My point is that people not listening to ads is a spotify problem, not an artist problem. If spotify wants to cut into artists pay because people are stealing, that's not ok for spotify to do.
This is a valid issue though. I've had ads pop my speakers before. There's no excuse for them to allow ads to set max volume over the current system volume. There are regulations for TV for the same reasons.
Yes, there are people who want everything free, and that's annoying. But the current ad display system is unacceptable.
Droppit ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:33:02 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yea, maybe you need to go check out the word "theft." It doesn't mean what you think it means.
The models for these are different though, in television advertisers don't pay per ad impression, they pay a lump sum to have their ads played on a certain channel during a certain time slot. The station gets paid the same amount regardless of rather you walk off to take a piss. If you block ads on spotify, it doesn't count as an ad impression, and Spotify doesn't receive the revenue for it.
The models for these are different though, in television advertisers don't pay per ad impression, they pay a lump sum to have their ads played on a certain channel during a certain time slot. The station gets paid the same amount regardless of rather you walk off to take a piss.
Not really. Sure, the advertisers can't know if you are actually watching their ads on a case by case basis, but they do have measurements of how effective their ads are, and this affects the prices. If literally no one watched TV ads, they'd be worth less than today. If literally everyone watched them, they'd be worth more than today. So the effect on revenue is still there, even if it can't be measured on a case by case basis.
No, the revenue is based on the TV being on the channel, so the content provider still gets paid, they donโt know youโre sitting there watching the commercial
No because the ad plays on the tv regardless. Cheating free Spotify to not have ads is reducing the number of people hearing them, which reduces the value of the ads which is less money to Spotify, which means less money to the artists you're listening to.
No because I'm still a "viewer" as far as that network is concerned. They have no way to know if I paid any attention to the ad or not. I'm assuming spotify has a quantifiable way to tell how many people an ad reached. You circumventing spotify ads is reducing the amount of listeners the ad has which makes them less valuble.
The mental gymnastics required for this opinion is astounding.
Ad purchasers can't know if any one specific person is watching an ad, but they do have an idea of the percentage of viewers who are watching them, and they obviously take this into account when they are deciding to buy ad space. So not watching commercials does have an effect on the profitability of the service you are using. If literally no one watched TV ads, then obviously no one would pay for TV ads either. So if you are among the people who walk out of the living room or change the channel when the commercial starts, then you are essentially doing the exact same thing as the spotify ad blockers.
No. I do not use Spotify, but how in the hell do we know that they give anything to the artists? Proof needed! Also, artists themselves claim that the record labels are ripping them off and that they do not care if their music is being "illegally" consumed.
Spotify has a pretty transparent policy on the revenue sharing for artists. They even allow standalone (no studio/producer/publisher) artists to earn money easily, after each playback of their songs.
Let's not forget that the majority of the content still comes from large publishers, who WILL demand payments per listen. It's not like Spotify is getting away with grand copyright infringement.
You think the largest streaming music service in the world doesn't pay any money to the rights holders of said music, and somehow we just haven't heard about this? Are you dense? Even if they weren't paying rights holders (which is, genuinely one of the strangest assertions I've heard) it still costs them a lot of money to provide the service of actually delivering the music to the people who use the app. If you want to pirate music, go download it from the pirate bay or something. You're going to drive up the cost of the service for those of who are actually willing to pay for the services we use.
[deleted] ยท -7 points ยท Posted at 14:26:53 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I enjoy the service they provide and don't want the price of it to go up because others decide to use the service without paying or listening to ads. Fuck me for not wanting to pay for other people to pirate music, eh?
[deleted] ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 14:32:35 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
If the ads were relevant to what I was listening to, then I wouldn't have a problem listening to them.
But them playing garbage pop/rap adverts for the 'latest promising artists' whilst I've got classical on my playlist was enough for me to just stop using the service as my main form of music listening altogether, and encouraged me to just set up a Plex server.
I couldnโt care less. There is so much content in the world that I donโt need more of it, and I hate ads.
Find a more relevant way to advertise me stuff I might actually buy, then weโll talk. The ad push and promotion is ancient, I donโt see why I should comply because they are lazy and canโt invent better way s to advertise or better income streams.
BLlZER ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:47:04 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Spotify can't pay artists if they don't have money.
Stotify could stop ads from being broadcasted. That's how they pay them. We as users should not be spammed with garbage every 2minutes. When greedyfy stop broadcast ads I'll pay.
Have you heard their ads? I had friends walk into my room just as an ad started playing 3x louder about erectile dysfunction and other penis problems. They are hoping to embarrass me into buying spotify premium. They are wrong.
It's ยฃ15 a month! It's only justifiable if you have someone living in the same household as you who also wants to use Spotify
cspjohn ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:50:30 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Well, duh. It's for family or friends. You can just use normal account if you don't have any relatives, family, girlfriend or even friends. (Man, that hurts to even write down.)
Like, I understand pirating stuff to an extent. When you have 10 different online services and 12 shows to watch, you have to be out of your mind to think I'm going to pay for 10 different subscription services per month to keep up with those 12 shows.
Now Spotify on the other hand? All my music is in 1 place for a reasonable price. At that point you're splitting hairs to be cheap.
If it's less effort to pay for something legally than it is to pirate it, I'll pay for it. But when you have a bunch of different tiers, or for video games, a shit ton of DRM that bogs down my PC/forcing me to use your garbage client that forces me to be online for a single player game, you can bet your ass I'm pirating it.
Spotify made me stop pirating music, flat out. It's just too convenient. Honestly, I wouldn't be surprised if Spotify completely removed the free tier. I could see them switching to a base end model that is basically the free app without ads for a cheap like 99 cents a month model, and not modifying the current model. Obviously people are getting around ads while still using the free app. Unless spotify gets some better developers to harden their app, this seems like the only route they can take, as banning those accounts doesn't seem to be working.
They have a responsibility to make sure they aren't giving me their product for free. if I open a store but allow people to leave without paying for a product, do I have a theft problem or a store problem?
I started suppressing them after they kept playing loud condom ads featuring an orgasm during my Christmas music playlist with the family. I don't regret it for a second.
When I first signed up for Spotify I was listening to some Mexican music (like the stuff you'd hear on the radio) even though I'm white AF. To this day I still get extremely loud spanish ads. I think its mostly funny, but there's a point where I don't want my ears blown off.
curumba ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:07:40 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
also the ads are not just loud, but specifically made to be as unpleasent as possible. Instead of ads for music, or whatever they make loud cat and ping pong noises. i stopped using spotify about 3 years ago.
It's more than just volume. They can employ psychoacoustic techniques to make it appear louder even if it isn't. This us why you would use replaygain or look at loudness units between tracks.
Also, ad blocking isn't pirating software. Maybe pirating music, but modifying the spotify client or redistributing it isn't at all necessary to kill the ads.
I really don't know. Are they any louder than other commercials? Pandora is pretty loud, the radio, tv commercials are blaring.
I always find ads to be way too loud. They probably just play them the way they are given to Spotify.
cjpack ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:50:15 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah they are still making money from those who use their free version. If anything by making the ads more tolerable, they would be more profitable by not making people try to suppress them as much. Win/win for spotify, its advertisers, and users.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 17:30:36 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Are they louder than the music sometimes? Yeah. But they aren't causing heart attacks or ear damage lol. If the ads are that annoying just use Apple music or GPM.
Usually being an app or program running on some OS? They weren't stealing the app, they were essentially stealing the premium streaming service. You don't have to buy the app, you get it for free. It's more like they cracked the apps, but Spotify itself is a service.
Sure, with Spotify you donโt pay for the software, you pay for the access to music. But to say Spotify isnโt software is incorrect. Itโs not software-as-a-service, but itโs still software.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:26:58 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yes it is....? I don't think you know what software is.
For everyone I know it was because of the god awful shuffle bullshit. I don't mind the ads but my playlists are all 100+ songs long which makes them unusable with shuffle. I would never get to the song I actually want to hear. I also don't understand why tablets don't require shuffle but phones do?
First off, I don't buy this, because Spotify's own ads are also crazy loud. Second, it's definitely not just a difference in the dynamic range. The volume is clearly being increased, and not subtly so.
But even if Spotify wasn't the one increasing the volume, it does not therefore stand to reason that they have no control over it. They could require advertisers to limit the perceived volume, or they could limit it via software. They don't because this is the deal they've struck with the advertisers, and I'm guessing is supposed to be a way to drive people to the paid subscriptions, which are more lucrative.
jetglo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:00:26 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I used to have to make audio ads for our artists - Spotify never really used to check the audio on these ads - it was pretty much a manual upload process, so blame dicks like me who didn't reference the average audio output of Spotify in comparison.
play.spotify.com with adblock... that being said i have a family account and so pay 180$ a year for spotify.
and the loud ads are a HUGE problem. they design the ads to be full on sonic assaults. so ill be playing music loud already, and then theres SCREAMING AND GUNSHOTS AND BASS RUMBLES advertising a new xbox game.
I agree use SoundCloud Sure Sue me if the levels are have fun with that lol
_danada ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:56:54 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
On Spotify Japan there's this ad that is literally a guy screaming that if you subscribe to Spotify premium you won't have to listen to ads like these ):
It's not "unlimited". It's limited in that I am simply purchasing the right to access the music, not purchasing the music itself (or a license for the music). It's also limited in the scope of who can be listening while the music is playing. As for it being "not that much": I suppose that's a matter of perspective. I think it's a lot, personally
Worst thing is when a license runs out and you suddenly can't access your niche music anymore.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:14:16 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
if only there was a way to suppress ads without using adblock....
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:01:39 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
There are some people who just do not give a shit about Spotify or whether or not they deserve that $10 a month. you're wasting your time arguing on any moral grounds because this is the view a lot of people have on this issue:
Pay $10 a month to do a thing
Do that same thing for free
Which one is a better deal? Any information that isn't this is irrelevant to them.
Or because the ads are mostly ads of their ad free service. I wouldn't be so bothered by the ads in Spotify if they were actually selling a service to a third party (hearing an ad for a new Netflix show) but hearing an ad about how my experience with the service would be better if I paid them is infuriating.
Side note: There was a legit group that allowed ads, didn't crack to download without premium, anything. All they did was make it read as tablet mode. Why does tablet get nonforced shuffle buy non tablet doesn't? I understand the intent to push premium but it feels like a slap in the face to the user.
For me it was that and the fact it got to where Spotify would play same ad 3 times in a row. There was never any actual products being advertised, it was just "BUY SPOTIFY PREMIUM, YOU CHEAP F*CK". I switched to a certain comPetitor and it's not because they have the superior product, it's the fact I don't feel like I am being bullied into handing over money.
asganon ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:49:01 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I guarantee this is not it. People who want to have things without paying will always make some excuse that a minor inconvenience is the reason theyโre stealing.
Except that this is simply a response to remove said inconvenience. In many cases, the ads are still paying, just muted.
But to give you a non pirating example, when Hulu first came out they had one or two ads per show that were between 15 and 30 seconds long. When they got bought out by NBC the ad length and frequency increased. This resulted in me watching far fewer shows on Hulu, and watching anyting that was available anywhere else Ouija Netflix on that service. Then they upped their add length and frequency again to where it was several minutes of ads in some cases. The volume of the ads went up, and the ads became far far less relevant and much more along the lines of random beer ads or credit card ads. I never watch Hulu anymore, and any show that is Hulu exclusive I simply don't watch.
So the argument that the people who are blocking ads are people who were not monetized anyway fails if any of those people, or most of those people, are people who would choose to watch or listen to ads if they were unintrusive, but will simply do without rather then pay the subscription fee. I would argue that there are far more of those people then you might expect and that most of the people who are running at blockers fall into this category
Sidd question, Apple Music is their biggest rival, what does Apple Music offer vs Spotify? Is there a premium and basic version like Spotify? (I have android, so I have no idea what AM is!)
Apple music comes built into iOS making apple users more likely to use apples service over the free trial period. Once the trial is over they will have built a library and playlists that they will want to keep so they pay for the service. Spotify really should consider a model similar to the way apple does there trial, maybe partner with an android oem to get the software on the phone akin to iOS.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 19:06:19 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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KalenXI ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:51:34 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The only reason I even have Apple Music is because Siri doesn't work with Spotify.
Alright, my 3 month Apple Music subscription is about to expire and I've been meaning to write SOMETHING about it so here goes.
Note: I am an Android user living in Barbados
Apple Music has one tier: Paid. You can use itunes cards to pay for it, but good luck finding a place online that'll let you buy cards (and email the code) if you're not from the right country.
Apple Music also has a 3 month free trial.
Apple Music for Android (the app) feels like an afterthought. After the last update at the beginning of the month (the last update was back in December), it broke bluetooth controls for AM. So if you're driving a car, used the car controls to switch tracks , it won't work. Despite people complaining, it still isn't fixed. The app is also buggy, crashy and just feels unrefined to the point that it feels like they didn't tailor the app to suit Android users, more like they copied the iOS app, pasted to Android, did the bare minimum to get it working and then released. There's lots of wasted space and functionality that could be better used.
Apple Music itself is actually pretty good though. It IS supported in my country (surprise!) so I haven't had to use a VPN. However, the app doesn't show up on my Google Play (since Google hides apps that aren't free/ has IAP/ ) so you'll have to go to apkmirror and get the app and then use Apkupdater to find updates.
Since it's the best competitor to Spotify, it also has a similar selection of music except any exclusives Spotify might have. It's easy enough to find the artists you know once you know their name. The problem creeps in when you don't know what you're looking for. Sometimes , when you find an artist, it may have related artists. This isn't always the case. So you may try some playlists, but they're often generic , filled with popular artists so you lose out there too. Apple does have a "Music for you" section where every Friday, it makes a playlist of music it think you would like based on music you've liked. Problem is that it gets hooked on your early likes. Liked a drum and bass song from 2008 when the genre was not as popular? great! get prepared for constant suggestions of drum and bass from now even though you may not like the genre that much. Things like that. You have to constantly like and dislike songs to get anything worthwhile out of the playlist. Compared to Spotify (and way less use) which only took about a month to find good tracks for me, it's been three months and plenty of liked songs and AM still hasn't figured me out. Finding fresh and new artists or just ones that fell through the cracks is impossible unless you're in the scene or you give a listen to everything that comes out.
AM also has a problem in telling you things. You'll oft be playing songs when suddenly there's a long pause. Why? Because a song in your playlist had its licence revoked. Sometimes you'll click to play a playlist and find out it wasn't all downloaded, or some songs didn't download even though it was there yesterday, etc etc. Little things Apple could pop up a notification for.
Finally, it's worth mentioning again just how buggy the app is. You'll find albums with wrong metadata, that get magically updated, album art disappearing,things like that.
The app isn't good but the service is, with a $9.99 per month/ $100 annual subscription, it's a good deal, even if you don't own the songs. Your playlists can be as long as you like and the audio quality is good. As a service, AM is a competitor. As an app, AM is bad.
Deezer is also available for android. Has a similar catalogue to AM and Spotify but a much better app. Sadly, a way , way shorter trial period. I'm giving that a try right now.
A fellow Barbadian, trying to find a streaming service, using a 3T. I've used all my coincidence points for the year.
But on a more serious note. Spotify needs to come here. I used deezer but it doesn't have the artist/song radio function that Spotify has, or at least I could not find one. That is what made me stop using it. Other than that deezer is fine.
Apple music is closer to Spotify but the app is trash.
Play music isn't bad but the app isn't good.
Something all these services lack is the remote play. It was so easy to be in in bed and change the music on my PC using my phone. I'd sub to Spotify if it came here in a heart beat. For now tho I've gone back to simply pirating music.
I'm surprised you got to use play music and that the app is trash. Since we're not a supported country, Google gets quite restrictive when we use stuff of theirs! But that's a shame that the app sucks.
I'm still debating whether to pay for AM after the trial runs out. The app sucks but it's easier to find music/ stay up to date than piracy. Sadly, with an asking fee of $249 for a $100 iTunes card here and that the current app doesn't work with Bluetooth controls , it's hard to justify wasting that money when I could spend it on a pothole detector or something.
Potholes are simply an inconvenience. It's best use just deezer tbh. At 14 BDS a month you can't beat it.
patn8 ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 15:21:08 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Apple Music has an app for android. Check it out for yourself
aittttt ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:15:37 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I've used and paid for all 3 at one point or another. Tbh I like something about each one and end up swapping all the time between them.
Apple music: only has a paid tier. It's not bad. Their algorithm for recommendations is pretty good. Music discovery can be be done by genre and by date. Fucking why that isn't on every service I don't know but it's one of my biggest reasons I go back to am.
GPM: supposedly is getting an update very soon. I like their radio playlists, lots of actually similar songs. Their genre radios aren't as good because they don't seem to be updated as much as spotify. You can upload your own music and stream it which is badass. GPM also gives you YouTube red which skips YouTube ads. Badass.
Spotify: the standby and easiest to recommend. I like their playlists they get updated on occasion. Recommendations and radios are more hit and miss. Maybe they use songs from other people's playlists as recommendations? It's not always great. Has a nice desktop application which I use pretty much daily. I like their UI colors more.
Yeah GPM is tempting that you can upload your own music, IDK you could do that! But I do flat out love how Spotify looks! Do they all have similar content I suppose?!
i'm using apple music on android now because spotify isn't available in my country yet. their app is terrible. slow responsiveness and all but 30rupees (around 50 cents) isn't a bad deal so..
I did the three month Apple Music free trial. I hated it so much that I just deleted the entire app before the trial even ended and went back to my free version or Spotify
urbn ยท 170 points ยท Posted at 15:23:35 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
So almost 50% of their customers are premium users and less than 2% of their users use ad blocking capabilities.
Considering the market and technology that sounds like some pretty damn good numbers. Complaining about it will only hurt them.
jetglo ยท 43 points ยท Posted at 18:03:14 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You're 100% right, but they've just had to come out and give their pitch to potential investors ahead of a big IPO - and part of the pitch is actually 'We see big value in free users just as much as paid' - if they didn't make such a big thing out of this, it'd be seen as a threat to the business model and putting off potential investors. It's a PR activity.
I'm not sure why that makes it OK? These businesses operate with a really tight margin. For evert 25 people that pay, 1 will get the same thing for free. That's not nearly as trivial as you want to make it out to be.
I feel people need no justification to block ads - it's my phone and I can choose what goes in and out of it, and if I don't want ads, so be it. It's also spotify's right to deny access to people who block ads, and if they want to, so be it. Everyone should stop feeling etitled to this. It's their app and my phone, and if they want to prohibit my access based on stopping ads, they have every right. If I want to block ads, I have every right. Peace out yo.
linuxwes ยท 29 points ยท Posted at 18:35:40 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I've never understood why these companies engineer their delivery service so their revenue model is dependent on the client. How hard would it be to make the server force sending you an ad before it will send you another song? Hulu does this, even if you block the ad you're going to wait for it to finish. Pandora (and I guess Spotify based on this thread) put the logic in the client and then act surprised that people hack it.
[deleted] ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 20:20:13 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Thereโs a theory around that Microsoft intentionally doesnโt enforce Windows licensing much (for home users specially) because itโs not in their interest to lose users, even if they donโt pay, in order to keep alternatives (e.g. desktop Linux) underdeveloped. The pirates donโt pay, but they help with the network effect.
Makes me wonder if itโs the same case with a Spotify. A pirate doesnโt pay, but maybe some will recommend Spotify to his boyfriend who has no idea what an APK is, and thus help Spotify anyway, even if using the pirated version is a very slight annoyance.
exactly. the internet is "pull", not "push". the user decides whether ads show on their device, and the provider can decide whether to block users who block ads. but overwhelmingly, websites and services have decided that doing that is bad for business.
I want all my content when I want it, I don't want to pay for it, and I sure as fuck don't want to spend five to thirty seconds out of every couple of minutes just letting an ad run. Why should I be expected to contribute in any way to the content I demand. It's not a real job making it, despite me treating it just like any other real content I consume. /s
So you don't believe artists should get the money they deserve for their music? Honestly your argument just sounds entitled. Spotify provides a paid service and if you want to access it without ads its as simple as paying $10 a month. It's not a steep price for such an extensive library.
If you don't want ads, the solution isn't to continue to use their service and block the ads, it's to not use the service or pay the 10 dollars. How do people think it's their right to have the benefits of a paid subscription without paying for it lmao
Maybe if they are a heavy hitter like Taylor Swift but smaller artists have no leverage to make moves like that.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:44:15 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I'm a musician, and I never said I liked spotify's practices, but the fact of the matter is spotify/Apple music/etc. are here to stay. artists get more money from paid subscription streams, but I get that some people are struggling, so that $10 can't happen. the LEAST you can do is listen with ads. it supports the company that supports the artists. people think they're entitled to free music and it pisses me off.
We live in an age where it has never been easier for musicians to sell their music directly to their fans but that doesn't happen because a few corporations have a stranglehold on the industry. Instead of blaming them you get all emotional about people blocking obnoxious ads. You know people made the same arguments when cassette tapes came out. They said it would kill the music industry because people could just record and distribute their own albums. Spoiler alert: it did not kill the music industry. No artist is going to starve because I run adblock. If someone listens to your music for free you should be grateful that someone is listening to your music at all. If you are just concerned with charging people for your songs then you should chose a new line of work.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:28:36 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
when did i allude to the fact that artists being able to sell their own music would kill the music industry. that doesn't make any sense at all
so don't get the app that has the ads or pay for the service to support the developers and artists?
Or I could just continue to block ads. It's my device, since I have complete control over my device I'm entitled to decide whether I download ads from a company or whether I block them.
That company is providing a service which provides a huge music library. Buying a smartphone does not entitle you to get free access to their premium service in any way.
No it doesn't entitle me to free access to their premium service but it does entitle me to refuse to download their ads if I so choose too and then they can decide if they want to continue letting me use their service.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:15:12 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
my brain just exploded, but ok. do you man. do you
Yeah that's why they're allowed to cut off that service to me whenever they want.
hanexar ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:33:56 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The corp is offering the service you seek for a premium. If you cheat your way out of it, you are stealing the corp and justifying it with shitty thinking.
I'd be with you if there was no other way to access Spotify without ads. But considering you just refuse to pay for it, you are lying to yourself if you think you are entitled to block the ads.
hanexar ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 13:28:54 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Or I could install the app and block ads. It's such a lazy argument to just tell me not to block ads.
hanexar ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:16:10 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
If the provider is offering you an option without ads, for a premium, and you circumvent it, you are stealing said corporation. It's not your right to block ads. You're just a petty thief. Either assume it, or quit doing it. There's no ethical justification.
I don't think that word means what you think it means.
[deleted] ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 17:52:52 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You think it doesnโt cost Spotify anything to licence and stream music to you? Thatโs why they either make you pay a subscription or listen to ads. Theft of service is a thing.
It is an undeniable fact that if you use Spotify you are taking up their own server space to provide you with music. If you do not listen to ads you taking their server space up without any form of payment. That's pretty much stealing.
I use Spotify without ads but I am self aware in the fact that it is essentially theft.
Ok for one thing it's not server space it's bandwidth and it is not going to impact them as bandwidth is highly variable.
If you record an hour of radio and then fast forward through all the commercials when you listen to it later, how much money do you reckon you owe the radio station?
Well for one, the radio is already been paid for with ads, Spotify is getting money from those ads you recorded. You might fast forward them but they still got their money. So it doesn't matter what you do later because it has been counted that you listened to the ad.
Also I used server space as an all inclusive term because there is a lot more than just bandwidth being used. They still need to store your information somewhere and they still need to process your requests. Granted they maybe small but having 2 million people leech on your servers will add up quickly. Do you really think that when they create playlists for you based on your recent history of music listened to that it doesn't take time and money to process?
It's using a service for free that is specifically given to people in exchange for payment. Just because it isn't physical media doesn't mean it's not stealing.
linuxwes ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 18:41:49 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It's using a service for free that is specifically given to people in exchange for payment.
Actually Spotify's service is specifically giving it to people who didn't pay. There is a real difference between hacking into someone's server and taking something they didn't offer you access to, and sending them a correctly formed request for something and having them give it to you. Someone using a hacked client just sent a request for a song, and Spotify gave it to them.
It's like kiting a check. You just change the "pay to:" portion to say your name, send it to a bank as a request for cash and have the bank give the money to you. How could that be stealing? You made your request in the correct form!
Except nothing is being forged. The equivalent to your scenario would be stealing someone's Spotify credentials and using their account, which would be a different thing. My whole gripe with Spotify here is not that I think people should be able to avoid paying, I use and pay for GPM myself and it's well worth it. But I hate when companies put up public servers which serve up content and then act like victims when those servers are used in ways they didn't expect. If you don't want to serve up content to people who didn't pay, then don't give it to them. That's a problem that has been solved. But don't act like a victim because your protocol sucks and you're too lazy to fix it.
A hacked client pretending to be a paying account is no different than a forged check pretending to the payable to the bearer.
Under your theory, shoplifting is okay, because the stores had the audacity to open themselves up to the public with the expectation that the public would pay for their goods rather than just walk out the door with them.
Taking something implies the original owner no longer has it. I think something with the word 'copy' in the definition would be more appropriate.
Geekv2 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:30:19 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
But even taking a copy is wrong. If I took a copy someoneโs work and claimed it as my own, they would still have it but it would no longer hold the same value.
Because people take songs from Spotify and act like they wrote it.
Facepalm
Geekv2 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:22:40 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Thatโs not the point. Even without taking credit, itโs still wrong. If I took Googleโs search algorithm and created a search engine โpowered by Google Searchโ then Iโd still be in the wrong.
Itโs still theft.
mickmon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:59:41 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Spotify makes money from artists and does not adequately pay them. They also blast ads at top volumes. If they weren't inadequate in these areas we wouldn't be having this conservation. I'm not advocating stealing the service. I'm clarifying that spotify needs to improve in these areas if they want to be paid more.
[deleted] ยท -7 points ยท Posted at 17:14:14 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
People do act like it's their right. But sure, do it. I don't lose anything. Just don't act so entitled.
Geekv2 ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 18:28:18 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
OPs logic is the same as โIf I donโt like someone, I try to kill them. If they donโt want to die, they run away.โ
Just because you can do something doesnโt mean you should be allowed to. Having to deal with people using Adblock on their service costs Spotify time and effort which could be used for other things. People paying for subscriptions are paying that cost.
Yeah, no. What Sony did is basically nerve gas an entire country to get one guy that stole a banana. Saying their tactics were anything but pure evil and idiocy is giving them far too much credit. And for all that work it just reinforced in me the desire to steal as much music as possible. Cuz fuck those guys.
[deleted] ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 15:51:04 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not saying they actually killed people; I was being dramatic for effect. But the fact is Sony infected every single computer with a virus that had one of their rootkit CDs in it. And the reason is a few people made a copy of some of their previous CDs. So, yeah, they nerve gassed every computer because a couple of them stole a banana.
[deleted] ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 16:23:34 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
They literally installed a virus that leaves your system and entire network less secure for a CD, dude. And they did this to every PAYING customer that played one of the discs in their computer. And it was damn near impossible to remove from your computer, too. Stop downplaying what this huge corporation did to it's paying customers. It wasn't even close to making the "houses" more secure like cameras do. It was like breaking out the windows and removing the locks from every house because one person might be hiding some stolen socks.
If you use their service, you shouldn't block their ads in the first place. The internet has spoilt us with free stuff, but it needs to be paid for.
Using any service that has ads, without them, is costing them money. It's easy to dismiss this for the larger organisations, but it applies to everyone.
sdvr1 ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 15:15:29 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
So you are saying you don't use any sort of adblock on a browser? You are a much braver person than I.
But if you go to a website then you're making the choice to see everything they put on there. Same as Spotify with their invasve ads. I believe your exact words were something like, "if you use their service then you shouldn't block their ads in the first place." Maybe I'm just not understanding what you think the difference is other than just liking Spotify?
And if they ONLY have invasive ads, like on Spotify? Then they get nothing, right? I see where you're coming from, but I hope you see where I'm coming from too. And honestly, I just don't use Spotify because of their ads and I don't really like the app that much. But I still see where others would feel more inclined to just use the ad supported version if the ads didn't suck so much.
Maybe we have different views on what's invasive, but super loud ads in the middle of quiet music is invasive to me. So if everyone were to block ads on Spotify then they should move to a different ad model right? Oh wait, they just shut down the cracked apps instead. See what I'm saying yet?
sdvr1 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:02:00 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I mean... Firefox, Opera, IE, etc. We don't all want to use Google Chrome. I understand the internet is paid for via advertisements, but the extent of the ads is a little overboard.
you're not required to listen to the ads. just like when i am watching tv and an ad comes on, I can change the channel until it finishes. it's my choice what to watch and what to listen to
Advertisers go into their agreements with the knowledge that some of the ad views will be fake. That's taken into account. Its not for nothing, its built in.
a1blank ยท 34 points ยท Posted at 15:04:20 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
On my device, I decide what's allowed. On their service, they decide what's allowed. There's no "you shouldn't do x" or "they shouldn't do y" about it
If you don't like ads though. Just don't download Spotify. Ads are a part of the service if you don't pay.
I get what you're saying but I think the bar you're placing is in the wrong place. Yes it's your phone but you have chosen to willingly download their app onto it. You are using their service. By downloading the app you're agreeing to be served those ads and if you don't like that then you should keep the ads off of your phone by not downloading Spotify.
a1blank ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:03:03 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
If you don't like ads though. Just don't download Spotify. Ads are a part of the service if you don't pay.
That's why I don't even use spotify and instead pay for a google play music family subscription.
If I were decompiling their app and removing the ad components, then yeah, you're totally right. But if I happen to run adblocking on my device through a VPN or a hosts file edit or something, that's on them to deal with. They could tunnel all their data through an in-app vpn and adblocking wouldn't catch it. Or they could serve ads from the same CDN as their streaming component. Or many other solutions.
But it's my prerogative to chose what network connections my device makes.
From your initial stance I was under the impression you were modifying files to avoid ads on Spotify and streaming services. Wasn't under the impression that you were using and paying for an alternate streaming service.
a1blank ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:18:26 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I think that, for the most part, anyone blocking ads on android is doing so by controlling network requests either by modifying hosts files or by routing all traffic through a VPN app. Browser ad blocks hook into the browser to prevent the browser from making network connections to ad CDNs and sometimes preventing the browser from rendering some parts of the DOM. I think it's pretty rare for people to decompile, modify, and then recompile apps in order to block ads. It would be more likely for people to just write their own apps from scratch (eg Elpis or Pithos or pandora).
reverse-engineering, decompiling, disassembling, modifying, or creating derivative works based on the Spotify Service, Content or any part thereof unless permitted by applicable law
circumventing any technology used by Spotify, its licensors, or any third party to protect the Content or the Service
beyhnji ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 15:28:47 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Doesn't breach of service just entitle them to blacklist me? Not send me to jail?
Probably the OPs use of "legally binding" is where the jail idea is coming from. Basically TOS is unenforceable, though. Courts have gone through this type of thing before. There's nothing legally binding about them.
That's such garbage. If you don't like ads, pay to get rid of them.
But that's a some great mental gymnastics you've got going to convince yourself what your doing is fine.
a1blank ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:59:42 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Personally, I don't even use spotify. I pay for a google music family subscription. But that's besides the point.
If they don't like how a service is being used, then they can ban the user. But I'm going to use my device however I want. They can get their tech to work within that system (their app could stream all its content over a vpn and adblocking wouldn't catch it), they can live with the consequences of users adblocking, or they can ban them.
[deleted] ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 15:17:31 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Bullshit. It's my life and I decide whether I want to be advertised to.
Yeah and they can decide to ban you from stealing from artists and them. Why don't you support the artists you listen to? Are they supposed to create and deliver media to you for no cost? Why do you deserve their work for free?
I mean, kind of. You can't use that an as excuse for seeking out an illegal binary. You can't run any software you want on your phone; there still are things that don't fly in the digital space.
I think it could be perceived like an agreement between you two. They supply the music, and you pay by watching the ads. This is how they make money to support the platform. It's somewhat similar to your job not giving you money, and you can just leave if you want to. If everyone would start doing this, it would end up a mess.
Except your entire post comes off as entitled. It's your phone so you decide what comes out of it? You are using their service, so you pay for it one way or the other. People who think everything should be free no matter what are delusional. It costs money to make music and it costs money to distribute music. Anything else is just piracy and self entitled people who don't understand how a business makes money.
Edit: people expecting millions of songs to stream for free are downvoting without offering a counter argument. No surprise there.
In an ideal world, yes, you are right. However, people will keep blocking ads no matter what, it's even legal - as it should be IMO. They should create better ads so that people wouldn't be annoyed by them. It's literally the only choice (or make it subscription only, obviously, but then we would have this discussion).
The reason why people block ads online is because they contain malware or are overly intrusive, such as 3 pop up ads immediately upon entering a site. Spotify is a service. They pay for music licensing, and in return as you to listen to a short audio ad occasionally or pay for a (cheap) premium subscription. But people on here are saying how evil that is and it should be completely free. It's an asinine, entitled, narrow minded way of looking at it. If people hate ads so much, I challenge them to create a completely free, ad free, music streaming service with all of the biggest names in music. They would run out of money before reading Drake's contract.
No one is saying (at least not me) that it should be free. All I'm saying I have the right to block ads and they have the right to prohibit my use of the app. If spotify wants to remove the free, ad-based option, they have every right to do so. If /u/insertnamehere wants to block ads, they have every right to do so.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:14:33 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I feel ya. The worse someone should feel is "well this sucks". But if you don't find it worth the money to begin with, are you really missing out? Radio still exsists, and it's free because of the ads. The company has to stay afloat somehow.
utybo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:21:40 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
if i don't want ads, so be it
Then, just pay for Spotify or don't use it at all. The premium version is here for a reason. Everything has a price, for the free version it's ads and limitations.
I used a vpn and an adblocker to access the web version of spotify long before it launched in Canada. The day it launched in Canada I was paying subscriber. If some of those users are like me listening from an unsupported country spotify may be shooting themselves in the foot long term.
i did a similar thing. i used a modded apk for a few months to see if it was worth paying for the service. i liked it enough that i am now a paying customer.
thats how i do a lot of things, pirate the fulll version to see if its worth paying for thenn buy it, like textra, reddit sync, etc. i use the apps so muchi might as well give the creator a few bucks
_tsuujin ยท 115 points ยท Posted at 17:23:11 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The comments here are a bit silly; by which I mean hyperbolic and overly emotional. I'll prefix this by stating that I do not use Spotify, but I do pay for both Google play music and Apple music in my household, so cool your jets you're just a criminal too that's why you say this people.
Spotify ads are a dark pattern, meaning that instead of attempting to encourage you to sign up for premium by providing value in a positive way--encouraging you to sign up because it will make your life better in some way--they instead encourage you to sign up by annoying you and diminishing your experience to the point where you pay to get them to stop.
If people were blocking ads just because they don't want Spotify to make money, that would be one thing and I'd be behind calling these users assholes. However, the reality is that many people block ads because they're trying to simply get to a normal state of healthy use, and are angry with the provider for being manipulative instead of helpful.
This is not a problem with just Spotify, this is a problem with the industry of online services and is compounded in severity because people are already annoyed by the practice elsewhere. The internet has a long history of abusive advertising, and by contributing to it in their small way Spotify is seeing the knee-jerk reaction of fed up people.
The problem here isn't that people want to steal; the problem is that content producers have, and continue to maintain, an unhealthy relationship with their consumers. We need less talk about how people who block ads are bad people, and more talk about finding a mutually beneficial solution.
instead of attempting to encourage you to sign up for premium by providing value in a positive way--encouraging you to sign up because it will make your life better in some way--they instead encourage you to sign up by annoying you and diminishing your experience to the point where you pay to get them to stop
The reason they do that, my guess, is because it works better.
Yeah, and having a healthy relationship with your customers helps that much more than piling bad, loud and obnoxious ads up on you until you pay. Which is, again, why we have this article complaining that people use Spotify w/o ads and payment..
This article complaining that people use Spotify w/o ads and payment that actually says barely anybody uses spotify w/o ads and over half of their users use premium.
You're not making any sense. Are we talking about the same article here?
Been subjected to annoying bullshit since I was a kid watching regular TV. Ads have always sucked so much ass and unfortunately I don't think that's going to change. I wish they would.
This exactly. Ive been using soundcloud recently and i haven't felt bothered by the platform but i still would consider buying their paid subscription for extra things that I would like to have.
The thing is soundcloud isn't constantly badgering making the app useless because i dont give them $10/month
Ehh, Im not so sure its about the ads. I mean, sure it's part of it, but I'd like to think that people use a cracked apk more because of its shuffle only, limited skips restrictions. At least for me it is. I find that more annoying than the ads. But other than that, I totally agree with you.
If they changed that then I'd probably use the normal app
Ultiran ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 17:36:25 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The voice of reason
rman320 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 18:49:18 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Spotify is running a business. The argument that running only positive ads is more beneficial because they're less antagonistic doesn't make sense because ads will always disrupt the listening experience in some ways. Even if Spotify did what you suggest people will still block ads because they don't want to listen to them at all. The only valid choices then are to deal with the ads, buy the full service or not use the service at all. Using a third party app to circumvent ads is stealing and if that gets shut down the users of it have no right to complain.
Agree. We are the ones stealing and we are the ones complaining that they are being unfair ๐ If we take this exact same scenario in real life and assume spotify to be a music store with CD's it would be clear very quick who is wrong here. Surprise surprise.. It's us who are stealing.
Except, no, not at all. You can't compare listening to ad-free music for free to literally stealing CDs.
It'd be more like sneaking into a public park without paying. Nuisance? Sure. Are you stealing the fucking park? No.
Ad-block isn't stealing music, it's just blocking ads. It doesn't harm the artists AT ALL, and at the absolute worst it ever so slightly impacts Spotify's server costs - and if about 1.5% of their users blocking ads causes them to go bankrupt then they have bigger problems than people blocking ads.
Yes what you are doing is using the product for free which would otherwise be paid for. The analogy I can find is you go to the CD store, listen the CD's all day everyday without paying for it. Technically/legally not stealing but still a shitty thing to do. Borderline criminal activity. I do it though. But it still doesn't make it right. Ads is how spotify pays the artists.
They want us to pay whether through subscription or ads. How can you not see that...Service? Ok..take the analogy of massage parlour then. You going there, getting free massage all day without paying workers (artists) or the mall (spotify) a dime.... Is thay fair?
You used to be able to download alternative YouTube apps that allowed background play. My favorite was Viral, it had video download and window mode.
But since background play became a premium feature of YouTube Red, they changed the API and killed most alternative apps.
Phones are pocket computers, but you can't multitask with online videos because someone realized they could make money out of it.
The same can be said about Spotify's forced shuffle. You can listen to any song you want as long as you listen to ads... unless you are using a pocket computer. If you use that specific platform, fuck you, we are gimping the app on purpose until you pay.
(btw before I get accused of being scum, I do pay for Spotify, but only because downloading music in high quality is a premium feature that makes it worth it IMO.)
mickmon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:08:45 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Paying their content creators might help too.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:51:32 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
i think its more about how inconvenient they are making the free service, the platform is great i love it on my computer, a few ads and its whatever. second i use it on my phone there's 10x the ads, i can't pick a song to listen to and you hit shuffle on an artist and it plays artists of completely different genres.
Obviously Spotify can do whatever they want but it doesn't mean people can't complain about it just because it's free.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:38:55 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I think that honestly comes from the fact they're aren't very many good platforms, and it would be difficult to have many. Spotify is easily the best one out there but i recently stopping paying for premium (forgot to buy a code, but thats besides the point) and I had not realise just how bad it is
[deleted] ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 18:05:01 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Why isn't the site loading for me? I want to read the article and I can see that it is loading whenever I refresh but it just shows up as
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whenever it is done loading on my ipod and in incognito browser anybody got any solutions? Like I know it is there but it simply refuses to pull up the article for me
I had problems like that too. At first I saw the article and the super-blurry picture like in /u/skanadian's screenshot, so I unblocked some scripts that looked relevant (i.e. from reuters.com or whatever) and that resulted in it loading properly and then immediately disappearing. I was left with no article, like you described, so I re-blocked the stuff, reloaded, and continued reading just fine.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:52:02 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
so you have to actually block scripts in order to read the article? that seems dumb
Wizywig ยท 365 points ยท Posted at 14:08:06 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
2 out of 80 million suppress ads? Fucking seriously? They are reaching for news here.
i4ybrid ยท 252 points ยท Posted at 14:21:41 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
2 million out of 157 million active users. 71 million were paid users.
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 16:55:39 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
And assuming every one of those were students, that's $10,000,000
i4ybrid ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 18:35:42 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I know you are trying to be generous, but that makes quite a few assumptions - that every one of those users would have paid if they couldn't remove ads from the service, and that those two million users would have used the platform regularly. There's also no mention of how frequent the 2 million users use the platform. While the article says the 157 million were active.
If I were Spotify, I would have probably quietly gotten rid of those users. I didn't know we could block Spotify ads til this article.
pgetsos ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:51:15 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
But every single song they play though costs spotify money, so even if none of them paid for premium, Spotify would still make money
[deleted] ยท 79 points ยท Posted at 15:05:08 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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And that was at the end of December. Since then Spotify sent out warning emails and banned a ton (not all) cracked apps. I guarantee that 2 million is a tiny fraction now. Just saying.
wee_man ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:54:54 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It's the way they monetize free users. If you block the only way they have of paying for your free service, they will eventually have to do something about it. That something is normally detrimental to the average user.
It's like not paying taxes and complaining when the roads turn shitty.
wow we have different definitions of the word "stealing"
edit: I don't really understand what's so controversial about blocking ads... seriously? you guys use no form of ad block while browsing the internet since that'd be "stealing"?
Wizywig ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:58:32 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Okay I have to be a BIT fair. Spotify does have a teeeeeensy cost in bandwidth for my usage if I am stealing and some amount of licensing costs. But I'm pretty sure that every paying customer easily covers the cost of 10 suppressors.
Also their ads are ungodly annoying.
rouing ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:09:28 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Royalties per play? 3 million unpaying customers stealing is NOT INSIGNIFICANT. They will raise prices because of that. If you don't want to pay, don't use the service.
okay tell me you don't use adblock to browse reddit, youtube, news articles, the rest of the internet...
they pay for their servers and hosting services. you're supposed to get content in exchange for advertisements, but i'm assuming you block them right? how is that not stealing by your definition?
how are you gonna tell me "it's okay to block these ads but it's stealing if you block these ads" give me a break.
rouing ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:54:02 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I unblock where I enjoy the content. My adblock is for the obnoxious websites with autoplaying ads and what not. Your point is moot and your attempt to project is laughable. You are stealing. Theft. You are a theif. Same as jacking a CD from a store. Theft.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:25:01 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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rouing ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:17:49 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Streaming implies autoplaying. Don't grasp at straws. Won't work with me.
ohhh so your own definition of stealing falls apart when it's not content you enjoy. my mistake, i thought you were someone with principles.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:06:22 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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Wizywig ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:59:50 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Did you know that if you pay <$10 for anything in a store with a credit card, the store was better off just giving you the thing because they may be LOSING money on the transaction.
What? So Spotify should just make it free because they might be losing money?
Iohet ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 14:27:05 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Since ad revenue is typically by exposures, 2 million people listening to hours worth of music each adds up to a lot of lost revenue, particularly when paying royalties per play
[deleted] ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 15:41:32 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Iohet ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 15:45:24 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
No ad play = no revenue
niuguy ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 14:58:38 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
That's not insignificant.
Teali0 ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 16:09:00 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Found the ad suppressor
Wizywig ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:57:01 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I won't hide it. Also I suppressed for about a day then uninstalled. Spotify without premium is junk.
Teali0 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:10:18 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, I have done my fair share of getting things for free from the internet, I was only joking about it because I've done similar things lol. But yeah, Spotify sucks without premium. Luckily, my whole family uses it and the family plan is a great deal. I'd recommend going that route if possible.
Good. Their ads are the worst. There's nothing like listening to chill music late at night with headphones in when suddenly HELLO IT'S AN AD AT 3X THE VOLUME
Finally found a reason to root my android. Think I'm going to edit the hosts file on my router for now, but it would be nice to not see any ads on android either, when I'm on 4G. Thanks!
You can also just mute the ads on any OS. I expect Spotify wouldn't be as opposed to that approach, because the ads still play and so they still get paid by the advertisers. Spotify actually used to automatically pause if you muted or reduced the volume too much when an ad came on (on macOS at least) but doesn't anymore, which I take to mean that they don't really mindโit would have been more effort than it was worth to continue maintaining the auto-pause code. And you can set up automatic muting when an ad comes on, in various ways (i.e. automation apps).
The time I used Spotify's free plan the ads don't look like radio ads at all, which is what I would expect.
When listening to the radio unless it's on a commercial break the ads aren't intrusive, a quick jingle here and there and that's it. With Spotify sometimes I need to listen to several ads bigger than actual songs!
Also in my area we have radio stations specialized in certain genres of music, so when I listen to a mostly rock and metal station that's the genre I'll mostly listen too. With Spotify it thinks it's a good idea to play the latest Katy Perry hit when I'm trying to listen New Age songs.
I even paid for Spotify for a while and had to go back to Play Music because Spotify sucks at learning what my preferences are. The front page will always try to convince me to listen to the latest hits of whatever genre is popular instead of filtering by what I like. I need to constantly prepare Spotify to play what I like before I enter my car because if I forget the front page is useless to quickly start playing something I'll enjoy.
pod476 ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 17:01:10 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I mean isnโt that true for everyone? The front page is always top chart stuff, music you prefer is in discover weekly or the radio playlists you make yourself.
I just opened Play Music and the very second thing that appeared without even scrolling was Little V, a cover artist that does a lot of game music covers that I like. In fact while Play Music does place top charts as the first option it's a button that I need to press to see top chat stuff, allowing my preferences to fit the first screen. Spotify requires either scrolling or navigating to daily mixes for the same thing
pod476 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:53:36 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
My spotify home page starts with made for you and then recently played artists, unless I go to browse itโs all tailored to stuff I generally listen to. What do you mean by spotifyโs home page?
Interesting, for some reason Spotify started me on the Browse page, the Home page itself indeed starts sometimes with recently played sometimes with "Similar to Artist X" which is a little more helpful.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 17:05:10 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
We do have comercial breaks which are long (and I mean loooong) sections with nothing but commercials - most likely because the usual listener of radio stations are drivers which are already "in the zone" and aren't really listening to what's on the radio - but apart from that many stations here have time slots with 1+ hour of nothing but songs, sometimes separated by a short jingle.
In fact it was common practice in the 90's when K7 tapes where still around to start recording these time slots knowing you would fill a tape with songs.
mickmon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:06:20 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I kept thumbing down a song and it just kept playing in my discover playlist, every second song was the one I told it I didn't like.
It's like I said, we do have sections with long commercials, but we also have time slots with nothing but music. When a radio is on a commercial spree we just change stations.
Of course there are times where no station is focusing on music.
With Spotify it thinks it's a good idea to play the latest Katy Perry hit when I'm trying to listen New Age songs.
THANK YOU for being the only other person on the planet who seems to recognize that this is a problem. Every time I ever bring it up, people tell me it either doesnt happen or that i shouldnt care. The obvious paid insertions spotify does of popular tracks is the most jarring shit ever.
I suppose this is a joke and you do know the "New Age" music genre? Some of the know artists are Loreena McKennitt and Enya.
DdCno1 ยท 104 points ยท Posted at 14:04:09 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I stopped using Spotify altogether after hearing the same annoying car ad countless times in a row.
retwep ยท 52 points ยท Posted at 14:51:53 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Holy shit, there's supposed to be actual ads from other companies advertising their shit? Why have I only ever gotten Spotify's own "upgrade to premium" ads and nothing else?
Running any type of ad blocking? If I run it off my Google home (dns blocking on home network) I get nothing but Spotify specific ads.
retwep ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:02:56 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I'm using the uBlock Origin Chrome extension but obviously that can't block ads from other programs. Maybe advertisers in my country simply don't advertise through Spotify.
plenty of people would love to give them ad revenue for using the service for free but value their hearing more. the ads spotify plays are unreasonably annoying.
tom808 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:23:13 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I honestly feel they should just give up on the free tier listening then.
I guess if you aren't going to pay for it by now you never are.
You don't get anything though, if you stop paying you lose everything. It'd be like renting/leasing a car forever instead of just buying one.
Mike ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:07:24 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Technically you donโt lose everything, you just get a free account and have to deal with the pitfalls. If you stopped making your car lease payments they wouldnโt just give you a shittier car.
And I donโt plan on not paying. $120 a year for all the music I want... yeah thatโs a no brainer. I havenโt downloaded an mp3 for years.
On the other hand, i don't need to have an APP to listen to my CD. Just a generic music player and the music file which i can backup anywhere i want.
Mike ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:40:51 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Sure... but how often do you listen to CD's? Most people have their phone's on them 24/7. You still need a device to play the CD, why not use a supercomputer that fits in your pocket?
Yes i also have something called a microsd card that i can put inside this hole they provided in the phone for the purpose of storing files. I can take the music off the cd and keep it in this microsd card and play it on my phone.
Bonus: quality is constant. No need to turn on internet or depend on the strength of wireless signals.
Hoobie ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:54:27 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Your music selection is then limited to your microsd size. Spotify offers all of its music library to you as long as you have an internet connection. Furthermore, Spotify also offers offline play. You can download to your SD at 320kbps. I can do everything you just mentioned (including burning the CD) in Spotify at a much smoother experience.
I see the value. I have google play music subscription. But I also see the drawbacks since I am using it on a daily basis. You can't play music online if the signal is poor or the data for the month is over. Neither can you seek properly sometimes without wasting data since online music players don't keep the music fully in the local cache.
It's a free service that you're using, they are not annoying you. You are choosing to use that service.
Make you like it? That's what the free trials are for.
Just pay for it lmao do you know how much your parents in 1985 would have killed for the right to hear whatever music they wanted whenever they wanted for $10 a month
I don't think any of us have a problem with the ads themselves, it's how fucking loud they are
It's like paying $10 for monthly earplugs
vap0rxt ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 05:58:06 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Let's normalize the volume of ads first then revisit this topic. Because there's nothing worse than listening to relaxing music and BOOM ADVERT @ 150% volume. There's a law against this, too bad it doesn't apply to streaming services.
I'm not going to out of principle. I'm not paying them to stop being obnoxious. I don't want to reward that kind of behavior. I'll just use GPM and listen to the music I already have.
They scream other shit at you and whatever it is the volume is always extremely loud, they don't have to be screaming "eat shit and fucking die!" to be annoying.
Nah, I am not looking for excuses, I am just arguing that it is not a requirement to make the ads really loud and obnoxious. No matter how cheap premium might be. Playing victim is such a crappy accusation to make
Spotify deserves profit for their hard work on the spotify app, but they don't have to do it with obnoxiously loud ads. The cost of premium does not matter.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:59:17 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The ads are too annoying becuase they are often really loud and obnoxious. Ads are NOT supposed to be annoying, just noticable and having some cunt scream at you while there is just a commotion in the background is not the way to do it.
It is unbearable for most.
So the cost of premium only matters when you are discussing the minority of spotify users who insist on having it free no matter what? Okay I guess...
[deleted] ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 20:29:31 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Nah, they are honestly too loud at times, don't diagnose me for "sensory issues". A lot of people agree so either sensory issues are much more common than I thought or that is just not true.
Sure sure, but I disagree. I think spotify could make the ads a little less obnoxious and not lose much profit. This makes more people less inclined to pirate it and use it until they can psy for it.
I didn't diagnose you, if you haven't got sensory issues than you just need to get a grip I suppose.
Anyway you're free to disagree and I don't want to argue anymore, it's really petty isn't it really. I keep wanting to buy it but then realise I already have Netflix, now tv, crunchy roll, a book one.. too many subs!
I remember paying $25-$30AU for a single freaking CD with around 12 songs and here people are complaining about small ads or a $12AU sub for a music service that delivers MILLIONS?!
This much entitlement just makes my head ache.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 20:33:10 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I did, but they all have student or use something else. No one wanted them. I pay for me and my partner, we got family as it costs ยฃ15 for 6 accounts or ยฃ9.99 each, then his brother and my brother also use it. My brother pays for Netflix and I pay for music in return. I had two spare to go and idk
Waiting for my yearly spotify premium to expire then I'm jumping ship too. Primarily though because Spotify is shit at fixing bugs and their Chromecast support feels very after-thought. Hardly ever works.
I've been using Google Music for a few years now. What I really disliked about them (I cancelled) was their lack of engagement with their user base. Spotify/Tidal/Deezer... they all have artist-created playlists or user-created playlists or personalized playlists... but Google Music is just so sterile. It literally feels like they make zero effort; especially for music discovery. I'm glad they bought-out Songza, but can I actually see any developments occurring from that acquisition? Nope.
I kept on giving them time to fix things, but it seems they're just content with marketing Google Music as some add-on service for subscribing to Youtube Red instead of making it its own, proper standalone service.
[deleted] ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 16:57:05 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
YT Red still isn't in Canada for some reason and GPM itself is IMO worse than Spotify regarding curation and UI, so i can't justify it right now.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:18:57 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:16:32 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I have yet to see the new 3 tab Spotify so I'll reserve judgement but I personally wasn't much of a fan of GPM design (blinding white screen? no thanks).
GPM is great at UI (they are Google afterall), but they're terrible at promoting music discovery. How can you buy-out Songza & still make music discovery so inefficient??
I switched from GPM after many years to Deezer. Better music discovery, better quality streaming, etc.
I tried Tidal for a while, but they need to pay their software developers better or something, because their [android] apps were absolute garbage (read: unusable).
I pay for spotify premium but I block ads on other services and this is why: until your ads don't charge against my monthly data limit fuck you I'm blocking them. I'm not paying to be advertised to
That would violate net neutrality. Fortunately for you, the FCC has gotten rid of net neutrality in the USโฆ
Also, even with no net neutrality, it would mean the service/advertisers would be paying your ISP so you could see/hear the ads. Then they would make no money, and so ads wouldn't be a thing at all, so you'd have to pay for every website and service because they have no ad revenue (in addition to paying extra to your ISP to allow you to visit/use them).
It's almost like arbitrary data limits are arbitrary because data is a limitless resource and the only restriction on bandwidth is in hyper populated areas where the e tire available frequency spectrum cam be used.
I don't understand why people don't just pay for the premium service? I love music and value it enough to pay a nominal fee to listen to whatever I want whenever I want. And I've never had problems with premium. Sure beats buying CDs, which is what I used to do. Some things in life are worth paying five to ten bucks a month for.
Spotify has yet to turn profit. If they fold its because of their own business model. Not to mention them getting sued for 1.6 billion for using copyrighted material without licensing or compensation to artists.
I pay for my MP3s from sites like Amazon, Bandcamp and CDBaby. I then load them into my Plex (for which I have a lifetime Plex Pass membership) and tada! Ad-Free music available wherever I am, and still legit. May have cost me more at first for the Plex Pass Lifetime, and the initial MP3 purchase, but considering how rarely I add to my library it is cheaper for me in the long run.
Spotify could end being cheaper, depends on how much music you buy monthly. Also Spotify has machine learning and made me discover so many new artists and even whole genres.
But if you stop paying at any point from now until the end of your life, you will lose it all and have zero music. Also, afaik, if they lose a license to a certain artist/band you like, it'll disappear and be gone forever.
Not that much actually. Plex is remarkably easy to setup initially. Drop my files into the designated folder and Plex can be set to pick them up and add them to my library automatically. It's amazingly simple and lets me have my own private stash of music with no interference or commercials.
Oh trust me, I love Plex. I'm a lifetime member myself, I use it for videos, etc. I run it on a unraid server and use it with my Nvidia shield, it works amazing! I've just never cared for their music portions.
My entire reason for switching spotify (I tried google music) is that I don't want to manage an mp3 collection anymore. Google music always replaced my explicit songs with edited versions.
That might be cheaper in the long run but one of the benefits of Spotify is music discovery (which also increases the amount of music you listen to which makes a subscription model more valuable)
And for users that value that, that's fantastic. But I'm more of a "I want this specific album only" kind of music listener. So Spotify is a bit much for me.
It did improve over the time I was using it, but it was just missing a few features for me. Plex and its cross-platform compatibility is huge for me. Roku, PlayStations, Android, Web, etc. Plus the sharing features, the auto-tagging. All of it is just a bit more seamless in Plex for me.
Spotify Premium is amazing. It's not about getting rid of ads (for me at least) - it's about music discovery, discovery weekly, collaborative playlists, etc.
I love Spotify. I pay $5 a month due to student pricing (thank you grad school email address), but I'd pay up to $15 a month for it, maybe even $20. I love music, I'm a musician, it's indispensable to me, and it knows my taste in music better than many of my friends.
EDIT: I may get Youtube Red however to supplement it, as there are deep cuts in jazz and house/techno that simply are not on Spotify and likely never will be.
Same except the Youtube Red thing as it's not available in the UK.
MMag05 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:35:48 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I'm with you. In the my CD collection days I'd easily drop $15 for a CD and most months bought around 10. I ended with somewhere around 800 CD by the time I was 20. Then the digital hit and I started pirating. I was so glad to be able to pay for a service like Spotify when they came around. It's blows my mind that for the price of one CD I can have all my household on one plan and have access to every CD and millions more that I accumalted when I was younger. I even pay iTunes Music and Youtube Red for some of the exclusives they have. So for close to the price of 3 CDs my entire family gets millions of songs interuption free. Plus, once you tailor the apps by liking songs the music discovery part is amazing.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:00:42 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
EDIT: I may get Youtube Red however to supplement it, as there are deep cuts in jazz and house/techno that simply are not on Spotify and likely never will be.
This is basically the only reason why I use GPM over spotify. GPM lets you upload your own music so I can get my weird ass vapourwave, low fi hip hop or Tool on there.
$2.50 a month for me is honestly one of the greatest deals available for any means entertainment media. The return on investment is bonkers even if you're just a casual music listener given all those features you mentioned and the insane catalog available. Pretty much any artist I can think of where as finding movies / tv is fractured as hell service wise.
Movie equivalent is moviepass for me. I've seen about 40 movies so far this year for 90 with 6 months to go, that would've cost me around 400-500 regularly.
I use a pirated version of the app that allows me to pick the songs I want when I want on my phone and use the normal version with ads on my laptop because it lets me pick the songs I want to listen just like the pirated version on my phone. If they changed the phone app so that you could pick your songs just like the laptop version I think theyโd have a lot less people listing through pirated apps.
persoyal ยท 30 points ยท Posted at 15:06:21 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Even the tablet version allows this, the free phone app is miles behind the other available versions of spotify
Does your version of the apk still work? Mine stopped working and it wouldn't let me sign in so I was forced to get the regular app. I don't mind ads as much as I mind not being able to pick the songs! I mean, why can I do the same thing on desktop but not on my phone? Also, when I try to play a playlist, it gives me "suggested songs" that I don't want to listen to. Let me listen to what I want, not what you force me. End rant.
Just in case you missed it over the last couple of weeks Spotify has been cracking down on all cracked apk's and blocking them. They also sent emails to all users found using such apps, warning that continued such use will result in an account ban.
I use AppValley. Get on your browser on you phone and search for AppVallyLink and it should be the first or second website. Download that, go into your sittings and make sure itโs a trusted app. Then go onto the AppValley app and download Spotify++ Eventually the app will become corrupted so you just delete everything and do it all again!
I believe that Spotify purposefully selects the most annoying and grating ear-rape ads in order to push people to buy Spotify Premium just to get away from those God-awful ads.
Holein5 ยท 30 points ยท Posted at 14:43:08 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
My opinion has always been that if you enjoy a particular service, band, etc., pay a little for it to support it. I pay for Google Play Music, $8/month (which is NOTHING), and I get YouTube Red which gives me additional content and supports my Youtube creators, even with Adblock/Ublock turned on. People need to stop being stingy and start supporting creators (Music, YouTube, Spotify, etc.). Not everything in life should be free, it takes time/money to make things, to build an app, to create the music, to provide a service, etc.
$8 a month isn't nothing to everyone. I try to support the things that I consume and enjoy as well, but you have to prioritize. Constantly having to cancel a subscription service because you can't always afford it is depressing, and in terms of time spent it's easier to just use the free version with an adblocker.
This is not an argument that media should be free. People deserve to get paid for what they create, but the subscription model is not perfect. Especially for people like me, who can sometimes afford to subscribe, but when things get tight subscriptions are the first thing to go.
I don't mean to sound heartless, but I think that's just too bad. If you really believe you should support the things you enjoy, but you can't afford to pay, why would you ad block? I'm not unsympathetic - I couldn't afford paid Spotify or a few years ago, so I made do with the ad-supported version and when that got too annoying, listened to my mp3s and CDs.
amen, it's like those people complaining about reddit ads, saying reddit makes money off of gold but never buy any. adblock is great and I personally restrict adblock to block intrusive sites but blocking everything and expecting it to stay alive and free isn't the way to go.
But why not keep ads and support the service (as well as artists etc.)? The subscription model actually sounds perfect for you, because there is no lock-in contract. You subscribe when you can afford it and cancel and use the ad version when you can't.
I don't block ads myself (I suffer through them FOR THE SAKE OF ART) but I know people that block ads as opposed to subscribing because you get essentially the same service, but for free.
Also, I don't know if you've ever tried to cancel a subscription service, but it's a huge pain in the ass and takes more time than it should. I can't speak for Spotify because I don't have a paid subscription there, but other services I've used have processes that are over ten clicks to cancel and use a bunch of shady ui designs to make you accidentally keep your subscription, and make you email customer service to reactivate your account if you cancel/rejoin enough times. It's better than a lot of other models, but it's not ideal.
Having ads isn't a problem - ads themselves are. If i play video on youtube, i dont mind short ads, but when i have 5min ad on 10min video, or, even worse, 2min ad on 3 minute song... No. This is bullshit. Not an inconvenience, but a total bullshit. If companies can't make bit sized app to sell their product, i don't feel any regrets blocking those ads.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 17:48:43 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Ads are max 30 seconds and most are 5 to 15. Stop spreading false information.
It's also not exactly a bank breaker either. Like, we aren't talking about a four figure professional video editing software suite or something. It's like ten bucks guys.
Thereโs hundreds of free radio stations available. People act like a free premium music streaming service is their right and telling them โno it isnโtโ is akin to a slap on the face.
And this isnโt even about not having access to music, itโs about whoโs paying for that, you or the advertisers. Itโs so cut and dry yet people....
AATroop ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:52:10 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You can live steam music from YouTube with very few ads. There are hundreds of alternative solutions.
The compression on the music is bad though. So much bass. Way too much bass lol.
Derik_D ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:31:06 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
This 8$ is almost 100 a year and tbf there are countries where the subscription is more then double that.
I can't justify it specially because I think it is totally unfair that the pricing is different around the world for the same service.
It goes from 3$ in the Philippines to 19$ in Denmark Spotify price index
That and the desktop version having more capabilities then the mobile version. That's shoving the paid version to the mobile customers and tbh I don't like that way of handling business.
Thatโs not how it law works though. Rights holders in Canada, for example, would be able to shut them down if spotify offered service there without having Canadian distribution rights
Also spotify is a Dutch company, not American
Derik_D ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:29:55 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Thanks though they were American. :)
I know it is not how the law works right now. But in my own personal opinion the way the law applies to the net is completely against what the Internet was created for. The net should be a open network without borders.
You are not using a Canadian service you are using a Dutch one. Canadian rights owners should have nothing to do with it.
Let me give a physical example of what I mean.
You live by the border and your US friend plays a song licensed only for the US, is it illegal for you to listen to it in the Canada?
Why would it be? It is being played legally you just happen to have access to it from across the border.
What about a movie on Netflix? He turns the TV to your side so you can see it, same thing.
The Internet should work in the same way. The rights belong to the host website under the host country law and you should be able to access that content where ever you are.
It is just idiotic to geoblock online and it only exists like it does because we are all feeding the fat cats that own the rights and could not adapt to the new digital world and bought out the law makers.
I guess this is a valid concern about copyright law internationally, but the amount of coordination that would be required from all countries to agree on reciprocal copyright would be basically impossible. It's not just a big countries that you would need to get agreements from to respect each other's copyrights, you'd also need all the smaller, poor countries to buy in as well. These small countries, who typically don't generate ip that the rest of the world wants, have no incentive to agree (ie does Venezuela care if someone in their country is stealing Hollywood moviea and rebroadcasting it?)
Setting all that aside, Spotify has to work under the current legal system around the world. There restrictions based on location are necessary to comply with law. They would be shut down otherwise
Derik_D ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:49:08 on March 25, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
does Venezuela care if someone in their country is stealing Hollywood moviea and rebroadcasting it?)
Tbf no individual cares anywhere, it is just the Hollywood moguls that care.
Of course you are right it would be impossible to have an international agreement and the biggest problem isn't copyright it is that it would mean a real free Internet and a lot of countries censor it.
In what way does paying spotify support music creators?
Holein5 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:39:36 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Creators have contracts with Spotify to allow them to play their music. EDIT The agreements aren't always directly with the creator, but can be with the management company that represents them. I first learned about this with the Taylor Swift story where she pulled her music off Spotify then re-inked with them to allow them to play it again for a specific amount of money.
Yeah the money all goes to the distributors who are unnecessary remnants in the digital age. They contribute nothing and take all the profit. Meanwhile most artists are forced to play their game. Only big names like Prince and Taylor Swift are in position to negotiate terms.
Here's the thing - you cannot trust internet ads. Most of them are misleading or trying to install mallware. So when people lost faith in the ads, they started shoving them in our faces, hijacking clicks and using other nefarious tectics. It is because of the behavior of the ads companies that people have started suppressing ads. And now the ads companies are complaining. And you know what? Boo-freaking-hoo. Start policing yourselves and do some verification. Assure me that if I click on your ad I'll actually end up where I thought I'd be. Make them a little lighter - some people are paying for access by the Mb. Then we can talk about me blocking your ads.
If you don't like the ads, don't use the services or websites that feature them. Vote with your feet. If enough people did the same thing, websites would be forced to change.
The only ads that are okay a banner image ads. No videos no js.
Speck78 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 21:09:11 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Wouldn't it be neat if Spotify added a donate button next to each song? A predefined tip you'd be sent directly to the artist performing. And the person who wrote it, probably.
People here are complaining about the annoying, over the top ads. They are right. But thatโs the point, to get you to buy premium. Personally I would prefer that to personalized ads that use your location and arrest record to serve you the right brand of soup.
People that circumvent the ads without paying, donโt kid yourselves. Itโs not about what was in the ads. You were never going to pay anyways.
I think people do that to spite the company because the company is artificially lowering the quality of "free" to make them buy premium. It would be better to provide good "free" service by reducing the intrusiveness of the ads but still having them. Then people won't get startled by noisy or inappropriate adverts and it creates a positive feeling so they go and buy your products. It's not about the money, it's about treating your customers better.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:59:23 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
yes because that's how they're going to stay in business, providing a free service that's a complete net loss for them lol
The song royalties aren't cheap.
and it creates a positive feeling so they go and buy your products. It's not about the money, it's about treating your customers better.
Yes, because people are going to actually do that -_-
Youโre not a customer until you pay for premium. Given the nature of the ads, you are unlikely to be at all profitable to the company if you donโt buy premium.
It's not about the money, it's about treating your customers better.
If itโs not about the money then just pay for premium and all of your perceived slights will go away.
Exactly! I get unlimited music any time I want, but with a block of ads after 5-10 songs on my tablet. Meanwhile, my damn phone's spotify might as well be a broken ipod shuffle.
๐๏ธ yourSAS ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:21:16 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Lol, no. When I began, my account had a sitewide ban for some obnoxious reasons and my posts weren't visible and I was thinking reddit is shit. Only recently I got to know the truth and it's all good now.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:22:42 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Spotify's business model is terrible. They set themselves up for this when they basically tried to be the Netflix of radio but with ads that are obnoxious and kill the vibe. They haven't even tried to get creative, sticking to the same played out method for advertising that radio has been using for ages. How bout you stop the music until a user swipes through some images or plays an interactive ad that actually provides real user metrics? Much like free to play games have been doing for years now. Or how about you stop offering a free service at all and be more like Netflix? Or are you too scared of losing that precious market share? That's the real issue at hand here. Offering a free music service with ads just to corner the music market was a shitty thing to do in the first place and has devastated the music industry even more than piracy ever did. Because now even average people are getting their music for free. It's such a deep hole of greed that's killing the music scene. :(
Earlier this month, news broke that Spotify was cracking down on users running modded versions of the Spotify app to stream music for free while blocking ads. At the time, it sounded like it was only a few users, but it turns out, the number is a bit higher. Spotifyโs IPO filing noted that roughly 2 million users are getting around ads on Spotify without paying, as noted by Reuters.
As of the end of 2017, Spotify reported that it had 157 million active users, of which 86 million were unpaid subscribers. Factor in the 2 million users pirating Premium-esque service by avoiding ads, and thatโs roughly 2.3 percent of free Spotify users with modded apps or accounts.
Thatโs a big deal, as Spotify itself points out in its IPO filing. Free users stealing what amounts to its Premium service without paying for it could increase costs of the free Spotify for the company without providing a corresponding increase to revenue (in either ad views or Premium subscription fees). And unlike most free users โ which Spotify counts on to convert to paid customers over time as a key part of its business model โ those users with modded versions of the application are less likely to become Premium subscribers.
Because people are dumb. I understand blocking malicious ads but people need to understand that without those ads the app or website wouldn't be around much longer as they depend on those funds to keep the business going and if you like the product support them!. I block ads like many of you do but for websites i frequent and know which don't serve malicious ads i keep ublock off. Pretty much the whole reason i love gpm/ytr because i get what i want: no ads on YouTube and all the music i want and could ever need
people need to understand that without those ads the app or website wouldn't be around much longer as they depend on those funds to keep the business going and if you like the product support them!
There are so many self-righteous man-children on this thread who don't get this basic point, or try to spuriously argue around it. I can only assume they are immature, ignorant, stupid, cheap, or maladjusted.
Agreed. Hey i like to block ads too but not in apps. Mostly on websites with problematic ads like malware, fake virus websites, and etc. The ads in app don't mean anything. People dealt with Pandora's service for years and all of a sudden they can't with Spotify?pfft cheapos
How do you justify a person again?? I joke, but for the record I don't pirate spotify or whatever, I simply think you can be perfectly fine without crazy loud ads. There is no law of the universe that says "makes ads loud and obnoxious! Or no money for you!" because that is quite frankly nonsense.
So 1. Don't automatically assume x because y and 2. Quieter and less obnoxious ads are perfectly fine if the goal is to make money.
Making the ads less obnoxious will hurt nobody, Spotify makes profit for their hard work on the app and people who insist on using the free version can do so without resorting to pirating.
Good god, the annoying thing here is the ads and their obnoxiousness, not the fact they exist. I am perfectly fine with them using ads on the free version, but please make it quieter.
Your reasoning: I want all my content when I want it, I don't want to pay for it, and I sure as fuck don't want to spend five to thirty seconds out of every hour just letting an ad run. Why should I be expected to contribute in any way to the content I demand.
I got it with game pass and played for about 30 min as well lol. I see it being fun when you have a couple friends to be idiots with. Never ever worth $60 though
SaborW ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 19:00:14 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
When ads use up to 79% of our data cap, Yeah we want to block that shit. I'll happily unblock ads for certain websites and services when my data cap is no longer capped. I'm not going to deal with how shitty and greedy ISPs are with bandwidth I pay for AND THEN give it all away, too
It's not the websites fault that you've got a data cap or that your ISP sucks, and they're not forcing you to visit the websites. If you don't like the adverts, don't visit the websites, or wait till you've got a wifi connection. Stop trying to get something for nothing, there is no real justification.
So don't visit the website, or just wait until you have wifi.
SaborW ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:01:42 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It goes beyond just data caps. How many ads are vetted? How many times have people been infected with malware because of an advertisement purely from visiting a website? How ANNOYING is it to see a link to an article, you click it, and then poof you have a full screen ad blocking the entire page until you click the tiny X (Or those dick head websites that put an invisible ad on top of the ad so when you click the X you're actually clicking the invisible one, opening a new tab). What about ad servers that actually track what you look at for more targeted ads down the road. Then there's the insane clutter and longer load times that slow everything down, especially on mobile.
The justification is that it's possible and it's legal. One doesn't need any more justification to 'get something for nothing'.
Spotify's not dumb. They could go on a crusade against these users by no longer responding to their requests for music. They choose to continue serving those people.
Being possible and legal shouldnโt be the grounds for justification. Itโs possible and legal for me to be an ass to everyone I see but that doesnโt mean I should do that.
Nobody is entitled to Spotifyโs services. Just because you found an exploit that is โlegalโ to get their premium services for free does not mean that you should. If you donโt like their ads then get premium, if you donโt want to pay for premium then find another way to listen to the music you like.
I donโt fully understand the mindset where people think that they are entitled to listen to all the music they want and like, just the way they want to, without being subject to either paying a fee or listening to ads. Donโt get me wrong I really dislike the way Spotify uses ads and I HATE the free mobile version of it, but they need to make money somehow.
I think most free users are cool with the ads, it's the forced shuffle "feature" where you can't select a specific song to listen to which gets to them. Its often been compred to youtube making you watch a somehow related but still random video when you choose a video to watch
I am saying they cannot complain when they put up music on the internet and then proceed to annoy the internet users. There will be consequences like piracy
I pay for Spotify, student price. But once I am out of school, I won't pay full price for it.
There are always songs I want that are not on Spotify. For me, the only feature worth paying for is the offline listen, but due to the incomplete library, I use Spotify mostly for music discovery, which means I likely want to stream music rather than download. So... Not much reason to pay full price imo.
And if I don't pay, I will feel like I will go for the no ads version because ads are really irritating. I get have 1 or 2 ads all the time. The volume is crazy loud... And I listen to music mostly when I am studying. Ads kinda breaks my focus as well which is why I am paying now
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:05:54 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
There are always songs I want that are not on Spotify. For me, the only feature worth paying for is the offline listen, but due to the incomplete library, I use Spotify mostly for music discovery, which means I likely want to stream music rather than download. So... Not much reason to pay full price imo.
Check out google play music, it lets you upload any song to it and its available on all your devices as if google had it.
It's really good for obscure ass soundcloud shit lol
TIL most of the people on Reddit are poor disgusting homeless bastards who can't even afford fucking cheap 10$ a month for unlimited music streaming in great quality with literally unlimited songs. Wow.
I hate all of you poor bastards who want everything for free.
I mean what do you expect. The point of spotify is to attract people who don't want to spend money on music.
Meior ยท 24 points ยท Posted at 15:12:26 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
What? No. It's to attract people that want convenience. I don't want to get music elsewhere because it costs money. It's because I'm a lazy bastard who doesn't want to handle cd's and I find spotify to be my best digital options.
maybatch ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 21:38:42 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It's because I'm a lazy bastard who doesn't want to handle cd's
Are you being payed to say this lol? you can easily buy albums online without buying a CD or having to touch one, maybe I am misunderstanding what you are saying though
Meior ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:49:18 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I like how you left out what I said right after that.
and I find spotify to be my best digital options.
Don't try to skew what I said.
maybatch ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 21:57:52 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I am trying to skew what you said? Spotify doesn't sell CD's, and you are talking about you not wanting to have to deal with CD's and their "trouble". I think you are just making excuses and wouldn't buy any CD's regardless to be honest, but who knows
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:24:35 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Nah I want convenience. I still pay 50-100 bucks a month for vinyl/CDs but I'll be damned if spotify doesn't mate discovering things easier.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:04:44 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
lol I can spin up quite literally any song I'd ever want to listen to, in any room of my apartment without using my hands, but here I am still using records.
Yesterday I was listening to one and I was like "fuck in like 20 minutes I'm going to have to get up and flip over the record so inconvenient!"
I'm even working on a way to cast my record player to a chromecast so I can multi-room it lol
Fgge ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:22:32 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, but in the back-end, Twitch sends ads with the same stream as the video stream. Other services send them separately if they send the ads like twitch they would block the music itself.
I think given how much effort is put into Spotify yet they're losing money, how cheap it is for students. It's general decency to pay for premium, or at least put up with the Ads, you also have alternatives, YouTube is free. No need to be that frugal,
Honestly I donโt think itโs much of a problem. I do think itโs a bit expensive but you do get millions of songs. I personally wonโt pay for it because I donโt have $10 to just throw away. When ever I can get premium for free Iโll do that but otherwise itโs not worth it. I have my own music and I also use SoundCloud. Most of the music I really listen to is on SoundCloud so there is no real incentive for me to use Spotify. But if you usually listen to pop and everything they have to offer I think itโs worth it if you really use it every day.
sbrbrad ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 18:16:58 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I only needed to hear a commercial for me undies 87 times before I decided I wasn't going to buy them.
User 1: Alright, I'm paying 120 a year for the ad free version
User 2: I will not pay 120 a year for the ad free version but I will just put up with the ads
Ads start being obnoxiously loud
User 2: I will not pay 120 a year and circumvent the ads
If spotify loses money, it's their own damn fault lol. They could have turned down the ads and user two would still be putting up with them.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:26:13 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
And it will only get worse.
Spotify continues to lose money and if they are going public, those shareholders are going to want to see a return on investment. I could see the free tier being made excruciatingly unusable in an attempt to convert people to the paid version.
I remember a few years ago they had this ad making rounds that opened with this super loud and obnoxious squeegee sound. I tried to put up with ads, but it would play every 3 songs and it just drove me insane.
I'm not about to pay to avoid ads that are seemingly intentionally annoying to pressure users into paying.
Wake up call: Similar to how Game of Thrones used to be the most pirated series before HBO-Now came out, maybe make ads that don't suck and people wouldn't mind listening to them. Also, if your ad is 8x the volume of the music in the app, I will never use your services. I'm looking at you, "O O O ORILEY AUTO PARTS".
squoril ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:13:03 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I like how the comments are people making up random stupid reasons for blocking ads like "volume too loud" or "too many" even though these people would still block them even if these so called problems didn't exist. But whatever makes you feel justified in it I guess.
Ryokoo ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 14:14:59 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I just fucking hate ads. The only time I'm listening to music really is at the gym. There is nothing worse than getting an ad or interruption in the middle of a set. You lose focus. Also, as long as data caps exist on mobile, I will not let ads waste my usage.
Everyone is saying pay for Spotify. I'll offer another alternative: download some workout playlists to your phone. Listen to your small amount of music offline.
[deleted] ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 14:43:05 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
So if you don't like ads, pay for it. They offer you a valid solution and $10 a month for almost unlimited music is pretty amazing.
exxpired ยท 29 points ยท Posted at 14:19:44 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Pay for Spotify then
Ryokoo ยท -11 points ยท Posted at 14:22:46 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
If the cost goes down to $5 per month, sure. Listening to music a few hours a week is not worth the same cost per month as Netflix to me.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 18:23:30 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Come on, be honest. You wouldn't pay for it if it was $1 per month.
Ryokoo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:15:43 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Sure I would. I paid for the 6 month trial(or whatever it was for like 50% off a while ago) of Play Music and used that. I am just not willing to pay $10 per month. Music streaming does not provide the same value as Netflix to me, and I am not willing to pay the
seco2004 ยท 35 points ยท Posted at 14:46:51 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Then go buy the CDs, rip them and put it on your phone for offline playback. Want the convenience of Spotify? Pay for it, simple as that. Amazing how people find excuses for their shitty attitudes.
Ryokoo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:04:42 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Or I mean I could just keep pirating music like I have been since Napster launched.
If you can live with the idea of stealing other people's work sure, you can keep doing that. I just find it insane that some people have a hard time understanding that these things involve tons of money and hard work, and that is important to show support when possbile by paying for the service. I totally get that sometimes people can't afford stuff, but if that's the case just play by the rules and listen to the ads, it's not that difficult.
Ryokoo ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 15:22:05 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I am totally fine with living with the idea of stealing from millionaires.
However, saying pirating is anything close to stealing is a blatant lie.
Not only are you stealing from the artist, you're stealing from everyone in that pipeline: engineers, marketers, songwriters, technicians, the retailer, the label who uses money to help new artists. There are a lot of people that take part in this process, and when you pirate, it affects them, too. You'll have to work harder to justify your thievery.
Prove it. Prove that you taking something for free that you're supposed to pay for isn't stealing.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:06:23 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe the picture should have the money that was supposed to go to artists/employees. Can that money be copied?
Ryokoo ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:17:31 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
This is just ignorant. That money does not exist because I would not have otherwise paid for the music. I've downloaded a copy of their music, they have not lost property, they have not lost money. It is not theft.
So what you're saying is, when you pirate a song instead of buying it, atleast the artist gets to feel like the song is still theirs.. right? You only copied, you didnt steal?
The artist needs money to survive- if you pirate their stuff, the money you would have otherwise spent on the privilege of listening to their hard work is now spent on something else. You only take and you dont give back.
SewdiO ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:46:53 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Creating anything involves an initial investment which is not drawn here. So a copy is not harmless, because it's that much that was expected to reimburse the investment that is now lost. If music cost nothing to produce and distribute, piracy wouldn't be an issue.
Man... I hope you realise that unless you only listen to the top Artists you are likely harming a lot of smaller artists. Smaller artists rely on the small amount of money they make and labels use money from big artists to support smaller ones on the label.
Ryokoo ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 15:54:16 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I'm a very basic bitch. My gym playlists are almost all rap music from the 90s from artists who have more than enough money.
metrize ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 21:02:26 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
people can do what they want, it's their chocie. If spotify goes down because of people blocking ads then their business model wasn't good to begin with. Let the free market do its work, maybe this won't matter after all after the Spotify IPO
In that case, stop making excuses and don't use the service. You don't have a god-given right to a free music streaming service, and you're leaching off the people who do pay or who tolerate the ads.
But premium solves both of those problems. No ads, less data usage (offline play). And you can share with a group of friends and split the cost if it's still too much, I'm paying about 2 bucks shared with 4 other people
Then pay for it like everyone else instead of stealing?
Edit: Really? This subreddit is fine with people who receives a service that they haven't even payed for, even though they should? I know the kind of people in the world who would do this is exactly the kind of people that we have a high concentration of on this subreddit.
I guess i shouldn't pay for any service either. Why stop with Spotify? I'll steal from Amazon, Netflix, HBO and so on. It's free, so why not? (/s on this last part, it's either straight up illegal or in a legally grey area)
Yup. Completely agree. It's these kind of people who would complain about an app or service not being good enough for them to pay for it, but they never ever pay for anything, so how would these business be able to provide such an app or service, if they're never being rewarded for it?
These people are just ridiculous.
4K77 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:55:06 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It's over priced. It costs as much as Netflix, which is full of TV and movies. Music isn't worth as much to many of us. It's just background noise. Should be $5 a month or even less.
There's likely plenty of people who are using modded apks that could split the cost with people in their household and be perfectly legal. That said, I don't really care what people do. I was just saying there are options if you want to pay for the service, but pay less. Also, with a family plan you probably don't need to worry too much about your account being banned.
Derik_D ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:40:49 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah fair enough I got your point and think you have the right attitude. People are reacting on this feed like they were Spotify employees lol.
If it isn't worth as much to you, then just use the free version? It's right there. If music isn't as important to you, and you're too cheap to pay, then you should be able to stomach a commercial now and then.
It's your choice.
Lastly, Spotify isn't really that expensive, especially considering how shit Netflix's selection is, at least in my country. All you have to do is start a spotify family account. You're 5 people sharing a monthly fee of 30$, which is 6$ dollars per person . Are you seriously going to tell me that is bad for full access to Spotify's huge library and full functionality? For god sake, people pay more for a single Starbucks coffee. What is better bang for your buck? Please be realistic here.
i can see why people think it's immoral to block ads, but "stealing" is just so far out of the question it's not even funny.
the internet is "pull", not "push". the content provider does not control what happens on my device, unlike with TV, radio etc.. all the content provider does is send me the data - it's up to the user to do whatever they want with it. there are a lot of different rendering engines (edge, firefox, chrome etc) that display it in different ways, and yes, some users choose to use a plugin that stops ads from being displayed. that's their choice.
the content provider can usually tell when this happens, and they have the option to not provide content to them. spotify clearly knows which users are blocking ads, that's how they arrived at their two million number. if they wanted to block those people from using their service, they could, and it's the same with websites. but they don't, because it's bad for business. having people using and talking about your service outweighs the cost of providing the service.
users can choose not to render certain elements, providers can choose not to send data to the user. both of those things are up to them, there's no "stealing" about it. that's how the internet works, and was designed to work from the very beginning.
I guess i'll just stop paying for any kind of service, because why should i pay for it? Spotify isn't doing too well on the economic front, so if people refuse to pay for the service that they provide them, then why would i stop with just Spotify? Why not just expand the operation? There are a lot of stores and services that put things out there for the consumers to choose what they want to do with. I'll just attain that as well without paying. They're all doing a lot better than spotify, and they don't really provide a product that is as consumer friendly as Spotify is.
Why pay for anything, if i can get it for free, right?
/s
I can not stand people who obtain things for free, because they're too cheap to pay for the service, as everyone else does. In some cases it's just illegal, while in others it's very legally grey, and definitely morally wrong.
no, not even close actually. it's actually kind of absurd that you think blocking ads is "legally grey". and as i explained, the internet is designed such that users are in control of what displays on their devices, there is nothing morally wrong about it.
There is something morally wrong about attaining a service that you're supposed to pay for. It's a service that people appreciate, therefore they pay Spotify, as they're the ones providing it. If it weren't for Spotify, it wouldn't be available.
If everyone does the same thing as these cheap asses, then Spotify wouldn't be able to survive, as they would have no good source of income, which they need to provide the service. They would have to scale back their operation, which is definitely going to hurt the product that we're getting, or they would go bankrupt, as it wouldn't be sustainable to keep the high standard they have at the moment with no good source of income.
lastly, it's pretty much the same thing, if you don't pay for a product/service that you're provided.
If everyone does the same thing as these cheap asses
i'm gonna stop you right there - not everybody does the same. the vast majority of users pay for it. spotify know that some people block their ads, and they choose to allow them to do it, because having those people using your service and talking about it increases your mind share and attracts paying customers.
all you are doing is sending a request to their servers asking for them to send you data. they know you won't display their ads. they choose to send you the data anyway. there's nothing immoral about it
You didn't even counter any of my points, you're just saying the exact same thing as before.
Let me quote myself until it is actually answered properly:
If everyone does the same thing as these cheap asses, then Spotify wouldn't be able to survive, as they would have no good source of income, which they need to provide the service. They would have to scale back their operation, which is definitely going to hurt the product that we're getting, or they would go bankrupt, as it wouldn't be sustainable to keep the high standard they have at the moment with no good source of income.
You're saying a lot of people is paying for it, which i didn't dispute. God bless the people who pay for it, as they're the reason the service is available to everyone. I'm saying if everyone acted the same as these cheap asses, then the service would be either vastly inferior or not available at all. Read what i quoted.
Lastly, the people who are attaining a service without even paying for it aren't going to do anything other than tell other people how they can attain it as well without paying for it. Spotify isn't really getting much out of it at all. They should just ban them all, as they're not paying for the service that is provided. Spotify has such a large consumer base, they would be fine without 2 million people who isn't even paying. They won't really lose anything significant. They have 70 million paying users for god sake, and they probably have vastly more that listen to it on the free version with ads.
I really hope they ban them all. They can either start paying or use the free version with ads. If they're too cheap, the free version is right there. If they hate ads, they can just pay a tiny amount every month, it's right there. People can spend as much money on a single cup of Starbucks as they do on a month of premium Spotify. No one is going to take them seriously if they start whining, because they're aren't getting a service for free that you're supposed to pay for, something that everyone else is happily paying for, as it's a good service.
Amnesys ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:38:06 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I personally would never pay for a service which is a lot worse in multiple ways than what I could get for free. When the paid service gets better, improves and can rival what I can get for free, then I'll consider paying for it.
Spending money on inferior products sounds ridiculous to me.
What service is better than you can get for free in a way that isn't morally grey or simply wrong?
I don't know of a single service that provides a better experience that are free. I have a feeling you're probably talking about attaining something that everyone else is paying for, as that is what you do when a service is provided to you.
Amnesys ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:35:03 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not looking at this as a purely financial thing. You are missing my point, money isn't the main factor here.
I'm looking at the total package of the service. How the content is distributed, the quality of the content, how much content, any type of features which enriches the experience or makes the service more convenient to use etc..
Spotify solved this for many users when it came out. But for me it stills lacks a lot of features and content to justify spending any money on.
Then use the free version with ads, it's right there for you, if you aren't ready to pay.
I'm still wondering what alternative service you're refering to, other than Spotify, when you said the following:
I personally would never pay for a service which is a lot worse in multiple ways than what I could get for free. When the paid service gets better, improves and can rival what I can get for free, then I'll consider paying for it.
Amnesys ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:12:08 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
As I tried to tell you with my last post, Spotify doesn't provide the quality nor quantity I am looking for. There is no reason for me to use it at all at the moment.
I'd rather buy my music directly, giving me full control over it, or torrent it.
Classy. If everyone did the same as you, then you would never ever have the option of a service that provides proper quality, as they would never ever have the money for it, as everyone would just be obtaining things Illegally.
Amnesys ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:26:14 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Are you only able to take one word out of context and focus solely on that specific word?
Can't say I find your way of arguing very appealing. Have you ever crossed the road without a green light? Have you ever done speeding? If everyone did that loads of more people would die.
This type of argumentation is just bad honestly, bunch of "what if's" and you taking the morale high ground.
I'd say I pay for most of my music. But when I can't find a way to buy it directly/online, I'll torrent it. That is the only option I have to get the product I prefer.
I use both Spotify and Pandora free versions for different things. I don't block the ads on pandora. I do on spotify. Why would that be? Spotify Ads are loud and long and numerous plus I dislike the way Spotify intentionally limits the capabilites of the free app depending on what device you use. So I will not pay Spotify for being an annoying company that has a service I would otherwise enjoy.
Pandora's ads on the other hand, are normal volume and feel way less intrusive to the listening experience. I have 0 problem with having them in my stream.
If Spotify Ads were like that, I wouldn't block them. If Spotify wasn't a dick of a company, I might even pay for the extra features. As it stands I won't. And if that means eventually I have to give them up or they can't support thier business model, I am ok with that
mickmon ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 23:11:38 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You forgot that they don't pay their content creators, just saying that might have something to do with people not giving them money.
hallada ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 18:48:10 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Spotify has used pirated music to develop and secure funding. To close that circle they should go out of business because of it.
That sucks. But that does remind me โ on my phone (iPhone X), sometimes my library won't load for awhile. Happened much more often on my 6. Has only happened once or so since I've had my X. Usually have to restart it. But I have Sprint, so I'm not sure how the (probably poor) data connection is affecting it. Though this affects my locally downloaded "Songs" section of around 3,000 songs, so it's probably just Spotify's fault.
Spotify is a direct response to the idea that people pirated music to sample before they buy and for music portability.
This? This is people feeling entitled to free music. Give the artists you enjoy those fractions of pennies and listen to the ads if you don't want to pay for the premium account.
Halk ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:01:01 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I stopped using spotify and resorted to just using Google music. I was astonished with the reliability of Google music as a non subscriber. I don't think I encountered ads. It takes a second to hit that skip limit, which had me originally thinking there wasn't even one.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:52:47 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I use spotify to quickly listen to a track or two. It's there for convenience. I pay for music through Bandcamp or physical media. Spotify could cease to exist and all it would do is cause a super minor inconvenience at rare intervals.
Full Disclosure: The link to the article was blank. I wish I could actually comment on the article, but alas.
I will say that I'm an ad-supported lister for both Pandora and Spotify. I end up listening to Pandora more because of Spotify's "ads."
I grew up listening to music on the radio; I'm used to having advertisements. That's no big deal. But the reason I put the word "ads" in quotation marks is that Spotify doesn't really run that many advertisements for products/businesses. What they serve to me are mostly audio clips trying to persuade me to upgrade to the paid Spotify.
I get it: paid Spotify is great. You hounding me every commercial break with the same three Spotify clips is not going to get me to upgrade. After awhile, it starts to feel like a hostage situation. "Hey, if you upgrade we'll stop telling you to upgrade all the time."
At one point, they were actually running a clip every commercial break that was just a bunch of awful noises for 30 seconds, followed by a voice over saying "Don't you hate these ads? Upgrade to Spotify plus now and they'll stop!"
After awhile it becomes clear that they aren't even trying to make money with the commercial breaks. The sole purpose of the breaks is to drive you away if you aren't going to upgrade. I can only take that for so long before I'm like, "Fine, I get it. You hate your free users. Fuck you too." And I switch back over to Pandora.
Fuck Spotify when Bandcamp exists. I wanna spend $100 for an album an artist lists as free, at least I know they're seeing most of it. Or I get to DL for free. Or I can listen on the site, and every option is ad free!
I don't get how anyone argues on behalf of ads, when often they're loud, repetitive, and huge wastes of time.
GPM app is dogshit. And people around here use YouTube Vanced, or NewPipe to get the red features for free with the exception to the red exclusive video series like mind field with ya Boi vsauce Michael.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:04:34 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I got banned from spotify lmaoo
Sporxx ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:26:35 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I pay for increased functionality, not to beat the ads. If I didn't care about the functionality or if paying only removed ads, I'd be running a script too.
While I see the appeal of getting full use for free, Spotify has changed the way I listen to music and the role it plays in my everyday life. I think I can spare some money to support a service that has become intergral to my daily life.
anumati ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:31:37 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Considering how cheap storage is, part of me is amazed people bother streaming.
Adblockers are becoming a staple in most user's browsers these days. Not to mention mobile apps that connect to reddit that reddit makes no money off of. I don't most of my browsing on mobile.
Do people really have that big of a problem to not be able to pay $10 a month for unlimited listens to just about every song out there? I mean, come on.
Yes. I am one of them. I have no way to pay for premium, and I can't get the student pack because my school uses a custom .org email through GMail, not .edu.
Before the Adobe Creative Cloud you edited the host file to avoid them checking for a license and this already dates back a few years so I guess since a long time?
Do you think as long as there's an opportunity for someone to steal something, it's okay for them to do it? I understand that it's important to protect your goods, but do you think it's okay to use security faults as a justification for theft?
[deleted] ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 17:36:47 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Anything written in open source is subject to be used and changed. That's why open source developers release code that way. To help others. That's their prerogative. If they choose not to charge for their work, and release it as a philanthropic gesture, that's totally up to them. Others are allowed to use that work for profit. That's the agreement. That's ethical.
Who says those getting paid don't contribute? Spotify is providing a service. If a consumer believes the service benefits them at the price that's being charged, that's contributing.
Your comment, while thought-provoking, is outside the scope of this conversation unless you can provide linkage between unethical companies and Spotify.
It's simple, if you pirate, you're stealing from a large pipeline of people. And that can be your prerogative, but there are impacts. And if enough people in a society agree, then they'll pass laws against it, and you'll be punished.
This is the best one I've read. It's the developers fault they're using methods which make it easy to block ads/not pay for something you're supposed to
Lol that's why their blasting speakers for ads is completely justified
I should be able to filter IPs as I see fit. Whether it's my PC or a mobile device.
edit: btw I do pay for Apple Music and Pandora Premium and also have Amazon Prime although I don't use the music
BigPorch ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 17:53:17 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It's exactly like if Adblock Plus in Chrome blocked all of a services ads and then they got mad at you and banned you. It is their fault, and they should just embrace the exposure they're getting like Adobe does.
It's even worse than piracy, as they are using Spotify's bandwidth for free. Technically with piracy you are not taking away anything from Spotify or the artists.
But you are taking away Spotify's resources (bandwidth, servers...) without making them any profit through ads or payment. You are litterally costing them money if you use the cracked APK. This would not happen with good old pirated mp3s
True. Same with all ad blocking, you take bandwidth from the website. But it's easier on conscience knowing they are a big ass company and the loss is negligible.
donutb ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:52:17 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
it blows my mind how cheap people are.
You get a discount if you are a student. You can get ANOTHER discount with a family plan and its like 3-4 bucks a month.
You deserve the loudest ads in the world if you are too cheap to subscribe.
That's not how hosts editing works on a technical level. You aren't accessing something you aren't suppose to. You are selectively blocking what they give you for free. It would be the store giving you a CD for free but they cover up the case with an ad and then you removing the ad and throwing it away.
If you sneak into the cinema or a concert without paying, you're not depriving someone of their property. Does that mean it's okay?
The film, concert, and streaming music, all take money and effort to produce and supply. Do you think you are entitled to enjoy these things without contributing to their creation?
If you can 100% guarantee it won't sell out, and don't attempt to enter until after it's already started, I see no issues.
It's still not the same thing though. As I said, venues have limited capacities. Not viewing ads through Spotify doesn't increase the strain on their servers.
That's an interesting perspective.
Do you think you would feel the same if you were the ticket seller, whose job and livelihood depends on people paying for tickets? Or if you were one of the people who had worked to produce the film? Do you really think in this instance that there are 'no issues' in getting something for free? What do you think would happen if everyone took the same attitude, i.e. take it for free if you can get away with it.
Just listening to music absolutely does increase the strain on the servers, so anyone who is listening without hearing adverts or paying is using something that costs someone else money to provide, without contributing to it.
Just listening to music absolutely does increase the strain on the servers, so anyone who is listening without hearing adverts or paying is using something that costs someone else money to provide, without contributing to it.
You would still be listening to the music for free, you're just not listening to the ads. All the host editing does is stop the free version of Spotify from playing the ads.
Can I check that you understand the adverts help to pay for the service? It costs money to provide the service that you're using. Listening to the adverts is part of 'the deal' by which you get to listen to Spotify for free. If you block ads, you're not contributing anything to 'pay' for the service you use. If everyone chose to do the same thing, Spotify would be commercially unviable and would go out of business.
My point is that there's no additional strain on the servers, because you'd still be listening to the music. The only thing you're not listening to is the ads.
So if the ads are being served by spotify's servers, you're actually reducing the strain on the servers.
I understood the point you were making. The fact remains that if you block ads, you aren't contributing anything at all to pay for the server load, and all the other costs.
You seemed to be trying to justify using Spotify whilst blocking ads, but whether you do or don't makes zero difference to the points we're arguing over.
[deleted] ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 20:23:04 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Thatโs an astonishingly stupid perspective to have on life.
It's obviously still wrong, but I meant I see no issues in that you're not actually depriving someone if a physical thing.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:24:04 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I fundamentally disagreed with the โno issuesโ stance which you seem to have a different definition of. Iโm not trying to argue that youโre depriving someone of a physical thing - youโre most certainly not. Although, the company is always worse off overall and thatโs where my โissueโ is. Whether itโs Spotify where youโre using their servers or cinema/movie theatre where youโre using their physical infrastructure without compensation. Itโs universally wrong and unethical, no matter how you try to frame it.
It's hacking because you modified your system to subvert their only revenue stream from free users. Doesn't matter if the hack was easy or hard, it's still a hack.
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 17:16:10 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Good question, I don't know for sure. I should also state that I never said hacking was illegal either. Just that it is what it is.
Guess it goes back to idea of trade and bartering. Normally, you exchange money for a good/service. But you can exchange other things too. I could trade you firewood for food, for example. In the world of online content, you can trade the right to consume someone's video/music content in exchange for watching an ad.
Now what if you didn't watch the ad? Is it stealing, since you didn't uphold your end of the agreement, much like if you didn't trade the money in any other barter?
But again, I don't know where the legal line is. Just showing that it could potentially be spun that way.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 14:29:05 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Wow, I knew people did it, but I didn't think that many people did it
Idk, I pay for it, but their ads are mixed WORSE than local radio. I'll be listening to a piano overture then be blasted in the ears by some awful spotify ad.
They need to get their shit together before they can claim lost profits. Come the fuck on Spotify, don't make the CRTC fix you for you - it's unpleasant and you will lose significant market share.
Your company though, you have every right to sabotage your own success.
utybo ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:17:54 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I still think Spotify is a service worth paying for. Supports the artist, and honestly the apps do their job just fine.
This is what ruins applications. Stop stealing music. Like seriously, if you canโt afford to pay for an ad free experience, just use the free version.
EDIT: Wow iโm getting down voted over a comment against thievery?
Yep I have got that comment in reply as well. And to be perfectly honest if they somehow could bottle the entire internet up and sell it to me entirely ad free, but all there, for $10 a month Iโd get that. But as it stands adblocking is a necessity to even use the internet properly, or safely, anymore. Not even close to the same thing.
You have no right to control how people display/listen to content on their end. If your system allows ads to be blocked, too bad.
Your job is to detect and block or allow it. Your choice. Users are not at fault, they have every right to control their devices and how they view/listen to bytes you send them.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 13:34:49 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
On Android there are modded versions of the app which gives all the "benefits" of premium except offline play, on PC you either modify the hosts file as suggested (easy) or use a proxy in a country that doesn't support Spotify.
h3half ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 13:57:42 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
If you look hard enough you can find hacked .apk files to avoid ads on Android, too
I have premium now but I used to do that, it was pretty nice
They've cracked down on those. People using Spotify Dogfood, or similar cracked apk's, were cut off and sent a warning message a couple weeks ago. There was a bit of a freakout by the redditors at r/piracy when it all went down.
h3half ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:46:16 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I did see the post about Dogfood, but the one I was using was just from a forum thread on xda-developers. I thought maybe the one I used to use didn't get taken down, but I have no evidence for that at all
More power to Spotify I suppose. I wonder why they don't disallow ad blocking? Surely there's some way to spoof that the ads are coming from the same servers as the music meaning most (all?) adblockers wouldn't be able to just block ads
My view of this is, if it's possible to get free premium why not
Waff1es ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 12:34:35 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You do you, just don't be offended when people call you entitled. That is my main gripe with these kind of threads (and pirating games). People want the benefit of stealing music/games/movies without the stigma attached and they do the weirdest mental gymnastics to justify it.
I pay $15 for Google Play Music All Access for me, my GF and her brother. It includes YouTube Red. Some of my co-workers think I'm crazy for paying for it. I think some folks are just cheap and come up with nonsense excuses for stealing premium products and services. Quit being cheap and pay up.
Have you thought for a moment that 15$ isn't that cheap for other countries? I bet the ones who actually block ads on spotify are students or folks from not western rich countries. Paying 15$ for some music is a no brainer for them.
Iโm 21 years old and I can say that I never paid for music / tv show (expect for cable tv) and movies but I have got notice of copy write ..life is good
Moral arguments aside: convenience, mostly. I downloaded MP3s like crazy back in the day, but Spotify (or any equivalent service I suppose) takes the hassle out of it. Can't be fucked to manually download shit anymore.
I think when you buy music directly from an artist, they generally make money off of it, yes. Kind of like how when I subscribe to Spotify, their devs get paid for their work.
You are being intentionally misleading by saying you want to support the musicians when the only ones being supported are the Spotify shareholders. That's why many musicians have come out against spotify.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:58:23 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
But spotify obviously pay the musicians who let them use their songs too. They don't just take them without permission. If musicians feel like spotify aren't paying them enough, then they can remove their songs from spotify.
Seriously. Spotify was built off of torrented ("stolen") music. Even before Spotify or Pandora existed, I torrented every album I wanted, resulting in a 150GB music folder.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:00:16 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Here I am waiting for another modded apk. I'm paying for Google Music just for YouTube red but hate the Google music layout or app in general. But don't wanna pay for another streaming services.
Ads are the stupidest thing. There's literally no point to dealing with them. I don't think sitting and listening to an ad should be required. I will not be seeking to buy anything because I was pushed into by an ad. This isn't the olden days where I couldn't just look up products or services Im interested in do a little research and than buy the best that fits my desire. Even if an ad might turn me onto a product or service the chances I'll be getting it from the company that put out the ad is low. Because I'll do my research and find one similar I like better.
The stupidest thing is after I research and buy a product I'm fed ads for the shit I already got for weeks. How useful for them to advertise shit I already looked up and bought. Surely I'll buy more.
Archaic and outdated form of business. It's time to put your advertising dollars into improving your product so when I do my research yours is the best one and wins my purchase.
I've pirated anything and everything since I was barely out of pampers but if you're in this thread bitching about ad-free Spotify costing $10 gtfo and go back to street corner shaking your collection plate
Lol. How can you get so upset about a company? Theyโre not selling anything essential and the cost is just $10/month. Sure, that might be a lot to students but itโs pretty cheap for a professional. Less competition is also bad because then competitors might just raise their prices.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:19:19 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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jms209 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 17:38:05 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Doesn't Spotify/hulu have $5 plan for students? You get both for $5.
There's a 'war' between advertisers and users. There's zero respect from the advertisers side; they will popup, take over, and otherwise harm devices to get your eyeballs.
I've opted out. On all my devices. Pi-hole'd my whole network, and when I leave home, my phone automatically VPNs back to the safety of my home LAN.
I'm sorry, advertisers; you escalated so fast, and I simply do not want your crap hurting my hardware, or my other software. You are not welcome, because of your damaging tactics. You can go ahead and blame the 'few bad apples' all you want; this conversation is done.
You want to advertise to make money, and offer free content. I get that. It's how you make a living. Do it honestly; host those ads off your own domain, your own servers. Take responsibility for your actions, fully. The days of 3rd party advertising are over; if joesblog.com wants to have an advertisment, they can host it off joesblog.com.
That way, when the ad is shitty, and I see it, I know to add your whole domain to my blocklist, and never return.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 15:07:48 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Streaming music is so pleb. Download music and put music on phone. Problem solved.
Amnesys ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 15:21:53 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Music on your phone is so pleb. You need a Hi-Res Lossless portable music player with an external dac and amplifier loaded with only 24-bit FLAC or DSD files.
Because it's not actually stealing? Copyright infringement, sure, but not stealing. World of difference between the two. I've pirated thousands of games, movies and albums in the last 10 years and it effects no one, not even the developers, actors or musicians, as they still get paid doing their initial work.
Downloading a bunch of 1's and 0's on a computer is not stealing.
I believe most of the courts of the world would disagree with you, but by all means keep defining words to suit yourself, that's cool.
If someone has literally no money, I might agree that there is no harm in them pirating digital content, because there's no way they're gonna pay for it. But anyone who has the option to pay really has no excuse and might as well be stealing a physical copy, the outcome is the same.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 18:23:09 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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hwanzi ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 18:26:57 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
/u/nugat0rydescripti0n means saving for offline use, which is still downloaded to your phone.
vivek31 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:19:11 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, you download them from limewire then add to itunes and sync up. Before that we used Napster and burned CDs. Now we just download a modified apk that removes the intrusive ads. Great times.
You sound a bit angry... maybe take a breather from the internet, if people disliking intrusive ads, and doing something that might not be good, but might be understandable - has you popping blood vessels THAT easily. You don't need to be that hopping mad to address an issue.
If i was being an ass about making money then yeah people will hate me
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:54:48 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah I honestly would be okay with it. If I was already making millions then who gives a shit if some people pirate my stuff. I would just be fine with the fact that people like my work.
So what exactly constitutes someone who avoids ads? I don't use a blocker just a external muter that pops in when ads play. Does Spotify know that people use this or are they referring to people who modify the aps itself? The ads technically play so I'm sure they get revenue.
patn8 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:19:08 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
They're referring to the people who used modded apps to unlock Premium features.
What you're doing is the equivalent of muting the TV during commercials. Which they obviously cannot possibly stop and is your right to do. They're talking about circumventing the ads altogether.
I would say Google has definitely helped to reduce the amount of users using the ad-free apks, thanks to Google Home.
The GHome is made to strengthen their ecosystem, and Spotify ads play even with ad-free apks meaning premium is a must especially as you can't request specific song without it.
I know at least one person (me) who bought premium because if this.
Trying out the free trial to see if I want it. Not a big fan of the service, the layout sucks to navigate. Might try others and see what works. Going to try Google Music next, bundles with Red and I use YouTube a hell lot, so it may be worthwhile for me to use Google.
JaxyRod ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:50:53 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The only reason I would see why is because ever since they made it where shuffle playing a album and you wont even get to hear the whole album without hearing another related song, I have ppl who who use services for free premium because of it
btcftw1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:56:34 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Love how spotify automatically suppresses ads because i'm not in a supported country.
I feel like one way to solve this would be to implement a time limit for the free listeners, something like x hours a month with ads. Plus they could have a "featured artist" section or something where a label could pay to have an artist not count against the time limit, so you could listen to all the Bieber or Chainsmokers you want. Then they could have a cheap subscription, like $2/month, that would remove the time limit but keep ads. This would allow them to potentially still make money from the people suppressing ads. Unfortunately, this would most likely hurt smaller and independent artists.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:57:48 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
See this is why someone once said piracy is a distribution problem rather than a pricing problem
Here in india so mamy teens have the pro version modded apk of spotify,if they had made Spotify available here people would have considered paying or atleast not skipping ads.
Melo_cs ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:59:11 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Who cares about ads its just shuffle play for.me only reason i buy the shit
Bummer, with the student discount the app with hulu included is such a great deal only wish they'd raise how many songs you can download and obviously shuffle.
shiznee ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:06:15 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
What if the ad servers also served up a cert needed to decrypt the music stream?
Go right ahead and blacklist that ad server...
AplCore ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:09:55 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Turns out I found the Pi-hole builders.
F4nta ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:11:05 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Kinda interesting, as Spotify is one of the few services where I don't feel ripped off when I pay my monthly fee. I guess thats why we can not have nice things
mykoira ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:12:12 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I wonder how much of that is from using ad block on the browser version. I used to do that until I decided to pay the premium to listen on my phone ad free too.
I installed Spotify on a Mac running Snow Leopard a year back and to date... hasn't ran a single ad but it plays everything just fine and there's nothing ad-blocky installed on it. Is that a thing? Involuntary ad suppression?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:15:01 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
what Spotify, like all other digital media companies, needs to figure out is how to crack down on piracy without making it super inconvenient for paying users. Hopefully they don't have to go as far as the gaming industry has gone.
Kind of dangerous to announce.... because now everyone knows you CAN suppress ads. Unless they're not talking about the ads on the stream.
There's enough other benefits to premium than just ads, but it is a big one.
T3hoofs ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:38:29 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
.....i legit had no idea that was possible until...just..now. I would imagine other people didn't either. Could this be considered the streisand effect?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:42:53 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:01:50 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
For anyone sorting by new comments, download Tweakbox.
Itโs an external app catalogue that can be used by both ios and android users.
Thereโs other shit, but i mainly use it for free spotify and youtube red clients.
Iโm not sure exactly how it works, but itโs a duplicate app that permanently has the subscriptions in place for free, as long as you are using the dupe apps.
For the record, I guess I'm one of the other millions that actually pay for music. $5/month isn't bad when you have a job......
Qf3ck3r ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:48:27 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Got Spotify with my cell plan, but when I upgraded phones I lost it, and so I thought I'd pay for it and if it was 5euro I might have, but 10euro isn't worth it.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:51:18 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I see an awful lot of complaints. I would just like to say that I love Spotify. Not a single complaint.
So assuming that Spotify responds to this by charging Premium users more, what's the upper limit that y'all would be willing to pay to continue your Spotify subscription?
I think alot of here us here probably contribute to that number.
cezeone ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:06:41 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I feel like a sucker. Oh well.
unli355 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:32:37 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I used to listen to Spotify while i drove but i developed a weird habit of skipping songs, now i listen to radio and actually enjoy music more because i can't change it.
Poofu ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:44:13 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Spotify has ads?
iDankkk ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:40:47 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
People aren't supporting their artists these days huh
inkd86 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:53:43 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
How? Asking for a friend.... /s
nowise ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:16:40 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I never suppressed ads, I just wanted to listen to the songs I wanted to listen to, in the correct order I wanted to listen to them, just like I can on the PC version.
Just saying.
The fact I can't even play an album and trust that only songs from that album will play, because Spotify likes to play "related bands" or "similar songs" inbetween the songs on the actual album you want to listen to.
Skrewie ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:11:55 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I've never understood why the desktop app lets you play any song and skip as many times as you like but the mobile app is like "You gonna listen what I tell you to".
Spotify isn't supported in my country (Albania) so I use VPN to get it and I don't get any ads because of this I guess.
I don't know if this is wrong or what.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:30:24 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Rebel scum
xPhilip ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:42:43 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I always used to get an extremely realistic glass breaking sound ad, nearly any time I heard it I thought someone was trying to break into my house.
Now whenever I hear glass breaking I feel like im in danger then I remember spotify. Fuck spotify ads.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:53:51 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Aren't these two completely different services? Spotify has its own library of music and it doesn't play anything else. The only thing I can see being able to use both for is podcasts.
My only problem with the free version isn't the ads, it's just the forced shuffle play method. I will gladly take 10 or more incredibly loud and unbalanced ads every hour if I were to be able to play the music I actually want to listen to.. keep the limited skips as well.
I believe that the reason most people pirate the app isn't because of the ads but it's more because of that annoying shuffle playlist! Just throw away that shuffle "feature" and no one's gonna pirate the app anymore.
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 18:08:45 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
"get fucked spotify!!" continues to use their product
EONS ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 18:50:10 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Shitty company. They complain about everything. They call others anticompetitive then offer non competitive options. They complain about revenue but pay artists the least of all broadcast mediums. They complain about adblocker and lie about user numbers for it. They complain about infringement suits but they don't bother licensing properly.
They fucking suck as a company. The world deserves a better service.
I'm one of the two million, and I don't feel like stopping anytime soon. The article won't load for me so I can't see if they have a way to combat the hacked versions or not.
I ended up uninstalling Spotify because of the millions of ads + the shuffle only play + them shoving random shit in between tracks + the limited skips. If it was just ads it would be fine, but all this makes it not worth the hassle.
Maybe they need to just come up with a better model if they have 2 million people doing it. Like maybe a lower tier plan and no more free plan. Clearly its not working well lol.
There will always be people who are too cheap or too entitled to pay for something, no matter how good the product is or how reasonably priced it is - but then make excuses for themselves.
Derik_D ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:18:02 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
If it was 5 bucks or less they would have a lot more people on it. Remember that in some countries it is 18$.
If they can have it at below 3$ in some countries they certainly can all over.
But if they made it 5 bucks less there would still be people saying 'ehhh I would subscribe if they made it cheaper, so I'm gonna carry on taking it for free'. The fact is that it's already at an extremely reasonable price, compared to non-streaming options.
Derik_D ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:38:39 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I know and see a lot of people using YouTube for music, that is also streaming and free. Just a little less convenient because it uses a little more data but with current and future data packs it doesn't make too much of a difference.
Download Telegram (the instant messaging app), and sign up. Search for Spotify ad free and there will be a group chat that has an apk download. Install it, it's a modified APK of Spotify, no ads, and you can select the exact song you want to play.
Hey Spotify. Your ads suck, they are annoying and loud and obviously not working out for you.
Maybe you should consider better ways to approach your advertising?
vanteal ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:10:07 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I wouldn't mind ad's one bit on Spotify if they didn't make them so ridiculously intrusive and destroy the enjoyment of listening to music. An ad at the bottom of the screen. Sure, ok....Or even play a single ad when you first open up the desktop app or visit the web player. But don't continuously shove your ad's down my throat in the middle of a song, or between every other song. Don't prevent me from listening to the music I want to listen to when I want to listen to it. Of course, this is all done purposefully to annoy the fuck out of us so we finally just give in and pay the damn monthly fee to get rid of the bullshit. It's a slimy tactic and they've taken it WAY too far...Also, it's easy as fuck for your neighbors to connect to your account if they're within wi-fi range. Even if you have a secure setup...Basically, Spotify can lick me where I pee.
If the adverts weren't annoying, what motivation would you have to pay for a paid account?
vanteal ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:28:12 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
There shouldn't have to be any motivation to do so. And even if there was, it shouldn't be to the extreme Spotify has implemented. It's not a choice right now of having ad's or no ad's..It's a choice between having your listening experience destroyed or not having it destroyed.
Everyone talking about spotify, and I'm over here listening to whatever I want with my Google play subscription that includes my ad free YouTube for 9.99 a month.
Because Spotify doesn't release the app to be purchased throughout the world. It's only available in selected markets & that's just lazy. Netflix & Apple Music is available in most of markets then why not Spotify?
dea6cat ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:11:30 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
My problem with Spotify was instead of just having a 30 second ad, they had a 15 second intro to the ad, and then a 15 second outro, making the ad a minute long
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:50:26 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The subscription is so cheap. Just pay for it ya broke asses.
would it really be that hard to put a 10-20 second block on streaming music when an add is going to be played? Now if a user does skip an add they would be stuck in silence for those seconds. could even make the user app send a request to the servers to start streaming again when the add is nearly over/ended so you know they skipped the add. If they skipped you could just stop playing there music and give them a nice annoying pop up saying, Go Premium! for only...
Sycosys ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:18:33 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
you could just pay for it... what does it cost like 36 bucks a year?
That people are still willing to put up with ads at all baffles me. I banned ad supported TV and radio from my house many years ago and I have a network wide ad blocker (pihole) and additionally browser blocking for ads trackers etc. Do that for some time and you will see how ridiculously obnoxious ads are. I want them banned from the streets also.
OK, but how do you support the content you consume? Do you fund Patreon accounts? Ko-Fi? Donate? I dislike ads, but I put up with them because if I don't, the people who work hard to entertain me every damn day are losing out on money that they use to live and continue to create content. There's a difference between hating intrusive ads and being so selfish you're willing to demand things for free.
It's easy for Video with Netflix or Prime. Not so easy for websites, however I like the idea of running cryptominers for them for as long as I am on the site. But as long as websites have 3/4 of the whole site autoplaying video ads and shit like that I'm blocking them, if this makes me a criminal, then so be it.
I feel you're being unreasonable. Why can't you compromise and meet ads halfway? Use an adblocker that allows non-intrusive ads that won't take up 3/4 of the whole site, and then you're still supporting creators and sites, but also fighting back against the intrusive ads. There's no need to go full holocaust on ads.
Lot of people in here seem to think that they should be allowed to listen to music for free. "the mobile app is totally unusable unless you pay for it". Um, yeah, they're selling a product. You don't want to pay for a product? Fine, you don't get that product.
If you're making more than $20,000 per year and you listen to music on Spotify for more than 6 hours per month, and you dont consider $10 worth it to hear ad-free music, I don't understand you.
Love how people/artists complain about not making money from digital downloads because they're not satisfied with those couple of millions that they already made.
On the other hand, how about artists make their money by actually performing live, a shocker I know right? If people were able to survive in the past with just live performances, why couldn't artists make a living from it now?
Dedicated fans will go to concerts and I'm pretty sure even if it's just 1 or 2 tours a year it should make them quite a bit off money, not just the artists but also the staff. Bought CDs and digital purchases are just icing on the cake.
Most of the ads are about Spotify premium, that's what's obnoxious to me. I don't care about listening to an actual ad so much as being reminded they're putting in ads to worsen the experience so you pay up.
Its probably regional but I get a lot of really crappy ads for UK companies. The voiceovers are extremely grating and the noises in the ads are horrible. I wouldn't mind listening to ads if they weren't so much like nails on a chalkboard.
I'm in Canada, none of my ads have been exceptionally annoying. It's either been a greek song I actually like over a yogurt ad or Ready Player One, which I don't mind because it has the Back to the future theme. But 90% of them are spotify premium ads and it's gotten annoying. Maybe there's not enough advertisers in Canada.
Two Million users tell Spotify that adds suck. Spotify complains.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:50:56 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Am I the only guy on the planet that just stores all my favourite music as MP3's (By downloading them from Youtube, or other sources online) then stores them on my phone, and listens to it direct?
No, I started back in 2004, torrenting whole albums from my favorite artists. I still do it, whole music collection is now 150GB. I use Plex to stream to my phones and Xbox. Basically running my own Netflix and Spotify from my computer.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:01:48 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
If Facebook, Cambridge Analytica, AggregateIQ, Brexit, Russia, Donald Trump, and the GOP have taught me anything, it's to make sure I use a good ad blocker.
And there's so many of them? God, which service do they use to do this? I mean there must be so many, any one, any which one is just awful! Let me know so I can avoid it
Download Telegram (the instant messaging app), and sign up. Search for Spotify ad free and there will be a group chat that has an apk download. Install it, it's a modified APK of Spotify, no ads, and you can select the exact song you want to play.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:54:55 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
And remember, ads are part of how the musicians get paid, so when people talk about how Spotify doesn't pay the artists well enough, this is a contributing factor.
That's incorrect. Copyright holders (not artists) are paid between $0.006 and $0.0084 per stream. Ads are how Spotify makes their own money when you're not paying them $10 a month. Basically, you're paying them $10 to not show you ads, but I can block the ads myself, so why would I pay them $10 to do that for me?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:23:18 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
That rate is funded by spotifys income. They make less, the payouts drop. Simple. Where do you think they get the money to pay the artists?
That's a stupid comparison. Do you expect everything to be priced specifically according to its value to you? That's not how, uh... the world, works. Different things cost what they cost for a lot of reasons.
People mute ads, use AdBlock on browser and change stations on Radio/TV when a Ad comes up but when I get a application on my super expensive handheld computer to stop playing ads while I try not to murder every slow driver on my way back from work, I'm the asshole. I obviously don't need a fucking Ford I'm driving home, please don't play the Ad a 3rd time in a row spotify.
I'm just fucking unable to handle any more ads, there's some at work, on the road, in my emails, in my mail like fuck. I'd rather "steal" than become any more of a product.
If you skipped 1 ad on TV once you do literally the same as me. TV uses ads as business model same way Spotify does. Spotify just tries harder to stop you skipping all ads. You've never ripped music off Youtube? LimeWire? Watch bootleg youtube channels? Pirate GoT?
I'm just willing to go the extra mile to get what I want with out settling. Besides.. 10$ a month is not worth it everyone just got a little comfortable for a second. A gym membership is 10$ a month and comes with unlimited free music, showers, lockers, water..
Businesses are not here to be our friends. They are fucking consumers left and right and there's no need to feel bad for taking a little of the blanket back. I'm not taking anything from anyone.
You should be able to understand services like Spotify only exist because people have been downloading to music illegally for years? Its a service of convenience, they don't sell you music that shit has been free. Get off your tiny little horse b
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 12:26:08 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yes. There is no "honor system" when it comes to money.
Maybe spotify should ask these people why they wont to pay.
The answers are going to be
Its expensive
I'm just a kid
I dont have a job
It's not going to be"haha I'm gaming the system"
"These guys suk"
You have pretty warped values my friend. A leech is somebody who takes something without giving anything back. Just because you can't afford something, doesn't mean you should get it for free, when it takes someone time and effort to create it. That's not the way the world works.
The reason you hear the same as over and over again is the Ad block, advertisers donโt trust online advertising due to ad block. Then again sites that give you intrusive unskippable ads are evil too and should be taken out back and shot.
squoril ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:14:51 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
i really like how hulu makes you sit through a blank screen the length of the ad to contemplate the merits of blocking ads
Well this is in my car on my commute to work. The radio is horrible here and its still better vs Spotify free. Not gonna settle over moral obligation to some rich fellas
Well ya know you hear the app say "the next 30 minutes are ad free thanks to the following sponsor"... 2 songs later and you get 3 ads before you can listen to the 3rd song
I appreciate their work to make the art accessible. Ads pay those devs handsomely. The best way to pay the artist is to buy something cash so they can tour and record. They make no net profit and go back to the service industry job they have.
Youโre wrong, Spotify made less than $500M on ads vs almost $3b on premium. Free isnโt meant to act as a product, itโs a trial without an expiration to act as a gateway to premium. I would also suspect that that ad revenue didnโt even cover the royalties for the music. And aside from devs and licensing Spotify also has to pay for offices, infrastructure, content curation, etc etc.
And expecting artists to have a second service industry job to offset your frugality is just insulting, I legitimately hope those arenโt your true feelings.
EDIT; mis-read your last comment, sorry, but I think that if we really care about artists then we should demand better compensation from their labels, thatโs not Spotifyโs fault. I also think that Spotify should implement a pay on play system where my $ only goes to the artists I play.
It isn't stealing . We are both being sent the same information. I'm not taking any extra information. The only difference is that while you pay them to unblock, I block it myself. Why would I pay them for something I can do myself?
Fucking duh, make your ads even 10% less intrusive and you'd see that number drop. It's really funny seeing all of the people in here complaining about pirates and arguing for Spotify. It's Spotify's job to provide a platform that doesn't induce piracy. If they fail at that job and it hurts the artist, then artists and/or labels should be pulling rights. Any legal action should be laid directly on spotify for allowing their app to be broken in such a way. But nope, the american people never go out of business, might as well milk them.
I wish I had an idea on how to do this. I used to love listening to Spotify but had to stop because every time I would use it I wouldnโt get any music after 1 song and would instead have ads shoved down my throat continually till I turned it off.
Honestly if they made the ads actually tolerable, I'm sure half the people who use it just because of ads will disappear.
Make the ads not a choice but each ads you manually click and watch ads like 20-30 min to the total you can listen to. You can watch/listen to ads to a max of 4 hours before you need to spend that time listening. You can't accumulate more time than that.
Regulate advert loudness. Makes free version less obnoxious.
zeen516 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:51:31 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Good, tell then to fix the bugs. I pay premium and the only reason I keep paying is cause I can't live without music. But if I found a better music service that's who I'll be switching to. The app doesn't work all that great for me unfortunately
I use the app from Fdroid that replaces ads with RnM Intergalactic Cable commercials....WAY better ads
Kandoh ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:04:50 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I could have lived with the ads no problem. Annoying, especially when their just ads for Spotify premium, but whatever. Not being able to listen to one song on loop for a week until I got sick of it though forced me to go premium.
smanar ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:12:38 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
i miss the times when adblock was enough to get rid of web.spotify ads :(
I would listen to the ads but Android auto literally blocks them. If I launch Spotify through Android auto I never get ads but if I want it through the app and don't open Android auto I get normal ads.
Slayzee ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:14:37 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Downloading music will always be better. No data wasted, and you can keep it offline. No need to buy a data plan for your phone as well + spotify premium. Just seems like a huge waste of money. Also if you listen to a lot of obscure music like me, pretty much all of those artists won't be found on spotify.
jms209 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:36:51 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I do the same, not interested in streaming music services. Korean/Japanese music is hit or miss most of the time on Spotify.
Slayzee ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:09:38 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I use YMusic, which is essentially a YT music player with a built in downloader. I use it to save albums everyday and is absolutely fantastic. Several file formats are available as well so you can save in smaller formats in case you have little space/download a lot of music.
CTeam19 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:16:41 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I can see it. I hate the Spotify Premium ads and the ads for other music telling me to listen to some other artist.
Why? I don't like how a company does his business, I don't buy. In fact I don't use free because it sucks ass, and I don't use modified apks. The childish part would be the latter.
Waff1es ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:26:06 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Wow, what a poor excuse. Just say you're entitled. You'll feel better acknowledging who you really are.
Funny thing about that. Consumers are entitled to things. It's like it was something bad. BAWWW YOU [colective] ARE SO ENTITLED. Then no wonder companies just treat you like shit and when you file a complain call you entitled. Basically because people like you.
Waff1es ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:45:00 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Your option as a consumer is this: use a product under the conditions the company set forward or don't use the product. There is no law forcing you to use the product. If you feel like a company is treating you like shit, drop the product. The fact that people still use spotify and avoid ads (thus incurring licensing and server fees on spotify) reeks of entitlement. The only moral thing is to not use the service.
i agree, they are being childish
it would send a stronger message to see a drop in free users. There's a lot of alternatives to spotify (but they suck even more)
Honestly, I'd be fine with the ads on Spotify. The only reason I don't want to pay for Spotify is the fact that on mobile you're only allowed to shuffle play songs. This seems to be there for the sole purpose of pissing people off so that they pay for premium. Its not even a thing for free spotify if you're using it on your pc.
While true, I feel like they aren't advertising to people who don't already use Spotify. I wasn't necessarily saying lower it to $5, but having an introductory trial period at a cheaper rate so it doesn't go free>$10 after a month. Couple that with better marketing and I think it'd help get more customers.
Some people worry about $10/month when they don't know enough about Spotify. For us on the inside of course it's worth it, but for them, it's an unknown expense (Ignoring the fact that $10 is a lot for some people with tight budgets).
My dad and sister only really know anything about Spotify from me trying to get them to use it. They dont really know the difference between free and paid, because they never see any ads explaining why they should pay for it.
All they hear is me tryining to get them on board.
I will continue to use the software I use to block ads. They are so disruptive why not make them all music based so they blend with the music you listen to so it's not so awkward
i can only speak for myself. but i will mute, remove headphones, or give myself a concussion to avoid listening to the same 3 loud ass ads repeatedly all day. fuck that insanity.
Jorwy ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:46:50 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Iโve given up on even using Spotify (mobile version; never used the desktop version). The ads are obnoxious, limited skips and not being able to choose a specific song all became to much for me. The app felt pretty much unusable to me unless I payed the $10 monthly fee.
I much prefer the amazon music app. The membership (I donโt remember what they call it) only costs $8 a month for all the same stuff Spotify premium gets you. Plus in my experience, amazon has more songs available (Not counting the hundreds of different versions of random songs, soundtracks, artists no one has ever hear of and other obscure things that arenโt actually music that Spotify offers).
Overall, if you canโt deal with the free version of Spotify, you should look at amazon before buying a premium membership.
I use the modded apk because I'm only 16 and don't get pocket Money or anything and nowhere near me hires until the age of 17. My account has already been suspended.
I hate that only mobile devices have the shuffle issue it's horrendous especially listening to a playlist with 200 songs and I'm only in the mood for listening to a certain song. While tablets and pc get free reign other than adverts with can be stopped with adblock.
I've used deezer but I prefer Spotify.
Ive been using an open source YouTube so I can lock my phone while listening to songs with it stopping it's so bad but it'll do till Spotify stops shitting on mobile.
Stop visiting the sites then. No-one is forcing you to visit them and you don't need to visit them to survive. Visit other sites that don't have ads and malware. You absolutely don't need to use Spotify if you don't like all that comes with it.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:01:54 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not defending the ads, I'm just saying that if you don't like them, don't visit the websites. Stick to websites that don't use objectionable ads.
If people were to use your suggestion nobody would vist any site
Yes, and if people did that websites might start to consider dropping intrusive ads! Trying to circumvent ads just continues an arms race, whilst conveniently getting you want you want for free.
For what it's worth, I've been online for about 20 years, never used an adblocker, and never knowingly had a meaningful problem that arose from website ads, either on many versions of Windows, Android or Chrome OS. No email or social accounts compromised, no internet banking problems, no-one intruding in my tax or utilities accounts. I'm not saying there aren't dangers, but I do suspect people overstate the problem to justify their browsing preferences.
Had not used Spotify in years since we have an extensive private library. But reading this thread prompted me to load the app, request a new password, and search for "Pink Martini".
It has done a marvelous job staying with the group and no extraneous tracks at all. The ads are not THAT intrusive nor frequent. I don't understand why this is such a thing. Just use the free app as intended or subscribe.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:00:27 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
This is why I like having a jailbroken iphone, all my music is free and it comes right from the itunes store so its perfect quality and it goes right into my music app to play in offline mode. "Too difficult" you say? All it took was 1 tweak download from cydia and I get free music for life, ad-free...
And another cool feature is that I can download another tweak that will block any and all ads from any source...All app ads, all game ads, all any ads are ALL gone...
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:44:10 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I am so anti-ad. If I want to buy something, I will research for said items and make a choice. Literally brainwashing my subconscious by playing ads, especially the same ads over and over and over again, is toxic.
One thing that has been pissing me off lately is how I've had to start using Hulu instead of Netflix because of certain shows being switched over. Unlike Netflix, Hulu makes you watch ads. Well I have ad-blocker but, Hulu forces me to watch a black screen for anywhere from 60-120~~ seconds with a message about how they need ads for revenue. I gladly watch that screen instead of an ad... but here's the catch: sometimes that screen will just freeze causing me to reload the page which makes the episode restart. This happens on all of my devices, and I am starting to think they code it to act that way. It's fucking disgusting.
Ads should not be a company's way of making money. Quality content should be.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:48:52 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You know Hulu offers a no ad subscription right?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:52:01 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yes I do but I'm poor and use the spotify student package which includes Hulu.
I love the people who act asbif theyce taken a moral high ground against ads and then willingly admit they don't pay for the content because they're cheap and/or lazy. You watch a black screen out of spite while saying you're too smart to be brain washed by ads. You do realize if you're as smart as you think, you can watch an ad without being brainwashed, or pay as they give you the option. Or just be content with stealing instead of bragging about it on reddit as if anyone would be impressed.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:10:27 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I do realize all of that. But I already pay enough in my mind. I don't see why you think I'm taking a moral highground by simply being against ads. I am against ads everywhere. I don't think that's how a company should make their money or be noticed.
No... Depends where you look... Don't update the app don't login enjoy ! Had for months with no issue. Also recently downloaded for friend about a week ago once again no issues...
lamesar ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:15:50 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Itโs $5 for students, and you get Hulu. Any .edu email will work. I feel like itโs more trouble to steal than just subscribe, but I suppose I am wrong in this situation. Lol
I was one of those until maybe two weeks ago when my modded app stopped working. I've used Spotify maybe twice in the last eight months. I keep my music on my phone and only stream on road trips or vacations with other people in the car.
Given my rare usage, it made no sense to buy Premium. And also given my rare usage, I wasn't going to put up with bullshit like limited skips.
Hell, even if I used it a lot, I still wouldn't put up with limited skips, that's why I keep my music on my phone. I get unlimited skips!
Mattson ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:24:55 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I have a question... I currently subscribe to spotify.
Do people without a subscription get the same content I do as a subscriber but with ads?
The only reason I subscribed is because I thought it gave me access to more music but if the only difference is ads I think I may cancel my subscription too and do what these guys are doing.
Are you 14 years old? If you enjoy music, or webpages, it is plainly obvious that its in your interest to support the people who produce it for you. Unless you are a child or a moron.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:22:02 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Some people can't afford that or don't want to pay and still get stuff.
I personally haven't been listening to new music or things for over a year now.
For the rest, I sometimes listen to music over youtube.
I barely use Spotify, mainly because I can't stand subscription services but also because I really dislike ads. That shuffle play only for free tier on mobile is ridiculous too. I will always prefer one time payments. All I use Spotify for is music discovery then buy those songs on iTunes/Google Play Music or if they're obscure songs and aren't anywhere but physical media I'll buy those CDs second hand, be it from Amazon or musicMagpie, charity shops or similar. I prefer having the media available anytime, anywhere without DRM and being able to use it on old-school MP3 Players/Walkman if I so choose. It also has the advantage if I'm without internet I still have access to my whole library or if my computer dies I don't have to download 150GB worth of music again as it's all local.
I'm not suggesting that. You can buy music individually from iTunes, which is perfectly fine. I'm also happier with the old model for software where a new major version (i.e. Office 2013, Office 2016 etc.) is released each time and I pay a one time fee for a lifetime license. Whereas Office 365 with a subscription fee is overall more expensive than the one time fee. When eventually pay-once MS Office is phased out, I'll have to move to Libreoffice or similar because there's no way I'll be able to afford to keep paying a subscription fee.
Art is not for money
If you're making it to profit
You're not making art
If you want me to hear your music, let it be free, I'm not seeking to pay for any music and don't feel I'm missing out on anything if it has a price tag.
I garden and give all my plants away. I taught myself to garden the way you taught yourself to sing, I spend hours practicing my craft the same way you do yours, I could turn this into 2 full time paying jobs if that's what my heart was after.
Instead. I grow my plants and spread them. They grow with their audience. I don't charge people to come in and look at pictures of my plants. Pictures from years ago when I was much worse at maintaining them. Pictures from shitty angles because I didn't know which angles to shoot. Pictures of pictures of other peoples plants.
You aren't an artist because you arranged the latest array of trend triggers into a cookie cutter composition , you aren't an artist because you've got the attention right now , you're an artist because you saw the spirit of creation within you and preservered til it spoke louder than your own ego.
If you need a check to validate that
You're just a pawn
If you call your work a job
You missed the whole fucking point
The same way the art consumer convinced the mainstream artists are the cream of the crop , the average citizen is convinced that the house/supermarket are the best and in some cases the only way of life and the truth is that it's not.
Let me give you an example...
Why did you not mention mattresses? When they give mattresses for free. It's something everyone needs right? Same as food and rent. Living within a city is a choice, living within a county is a choice, living within a society is a choice. You can also choose to live on the road, on the tracks or even in the wild. You can choose to live without the building/structure and learn to forage/garden your own food. Millions do it. You can too.
You can trade your craft for food the same as you can trade it for shelter. Socialism runs deep on the internet friend. Art thrives in socialism.
Lol you think that the artists are the ones losing money? Do you have any idea how the music industry works? Nearly all the money is made by middlemen who contribute nothing.
Knowing multiple bands personally, who are on Spotify (not just local guys, but national as well), the royalties are a pittance and no one really gives a fuck about them. Spotify is just for the brand and name recognition. If you REALLY want to support the artist, go see them live, buy some merch directly from them and not a retailer, pick up a CD from their table, that's the only way they see any real cash flow.
You are saying that being poor means you're doing something wrong. Are you young? Because that is either youthful ignorance of not having a tough time with money or you're an asshole.
Not young at all. I just don't see why it's absurd to ask $10 a month to listen to unlimited music. Pretty good deal if you ask me considering all the other stuff you could spend that money on.
In the US or EU Nordic states it is pretty cheap but in other countries, โฌ6 can be a huge amount of money. Remember that people in China or India work for just a few cents per hour.
BrainWav ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 15:40:59 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I don't do it on mobile, but I do on desktop. I won't start to justify it, but here's my line of logic.
The Spotify-specific ads are annoying as fuck, being very loud and just plain stupid.
On mobile, I can do those "watch this to get ad free for 30 minutes". I'll put up with one ad to avoid them (and on mobile, if you decline, you're punished by getting more ads, back-to-back, right then). On desktop, there's no such option.
On desktop, their ads will often cause my browser to crawl.
The sheer level of annoying-ness from the ads has actually added to me not wanting to buy premium out of spite.
tl;dr: Annoying as shit ads, no way to "watch this and skip ads" on desktop. Ads are so annoying, I don't want to give in to their ransom.
Edit: If they start blocking me because of it, no skin of my nose.
Ads are so annoying, I don't want to give in to their ransom pay them for their product.
FTFY.
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 16:10:29 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:28:40 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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M0NTY26 ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 17:18:26 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
My bank has a kasasa account which will reimburse me 9.90 per month if I use my debt card 12 times. I buy Apple Music for 9 cents a month. No ads. Every song I could ever want at my fingertips.
This is a Spotify ad where the top rated comments are acting as sales pitches and moral assertions designed to active your shame or virtue signaling in order to get you to buy a subscription.
Waff1es ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:42:00 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I'll put out there that I'm a recent purchaser of premium. I think everyone is given two legitimate options. You pay for premium or you listen to ads. Exploiting the software for free ads and trying to justify it is entitlement. You are not entitled to music. If you don't want premium and don't want to listen to music, stop using spotify. So yeah, people who steal from the service should feel shame.
Absolutely true, A lot of the time there is an option to pay, but most of the time I don't uses certain services enough to justify paying. But it's still better then not having access at all and having to pay.
Doing so is, technically, stealing, right? And no better than piracy, IMO.
nero626 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:26:45 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I think this matter is a lot more complicated than just "stealing" or not.. Spotify is providing music for free given that you see/hear their ads, just as every website nowadays that has ads on their sites, they let you to browse their content given that you see their ads, but it is the website's responsibility to ensure the user sees the ads when they use their service.
Now it is true that with Spotify it is a bit more complicated because the content is directly copyrighted, however since Spotify is the one paying for the licensing, as long as the music labels are getting paid they can't do anything, and it is spotify's job to ensure the way that they are delivering the music is profitable to them, they can either 1. tighten their API (which they did recently) 2. remove free streaming all together 3. ban people that violate the usage agreement or better yet, 4. state it in the agreement that you can get sued for using their service if you use adblock or other exploits.
The thing is people will always find the path of least resistance, unless you make it so that it takes more work to listen for free without ads than just paying for the subscription, it will always be a problem..
If you really gave a shit about an artist you would go out and buy their album, get off your high horses complaining about people blocking Ads. Spotify barely gives any money to rights holders(the music labels)and at the end most artists barely see any of that.
I wouldn't mind being one of them. Their advertisements are annoying enough to make me want to murder whoever is in the ad, and the cost is atrocious. You can't offer only audio services and still cost more than a basic Hulu or Netflix subscription, sit the fuck down.
$10 a month is atrocious? For unlimited listening to millions of songs?
Are you insane? Have you ever paid for physical music or downloads? Spotify is incredible value compared to the actual alternatives.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:46:01 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Piracy is free!
[deleted] ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 14:53:57 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I likespotify with ads, it give me the radio feeling.
Hope those jerk who can't even wait 30 seconds every 30 minutes won't ruin it for us all.
I don't want to go back to YouTube for music.
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kumquat_juice ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:28:55 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Hi folks, we realize this technically breaks rule 1. However, we see there's plenty of discussion in here so it'll remain. Removing it this late would just be unproductive. Apologies for any inconvenience.
pedantic_asshole_ ยท 32 points ยท Posted at 18:39:48 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Good call
FractalAsshole ยท 132 points ยท Posted at 18:47:09 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Best mod I've ever seen!
kumquat_juice ยท 42 points ยท Posted at 18:48:40 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Thank you!
Lord-Zeref ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:46:17 on March 27, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You're great!
mew0 ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 23:38:49 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
cough suckup cough
kumquat_juice ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 23:40:04 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
*slips money towards /u/FractalAsshole *
[deleted] ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 00:41:56 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I. DECLARE...
...CORRUPTION!
CallMeCygnus ยท 70 points ยท Posted at 18:50:53 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
wtf, a sensible modding decision? weird.
_Cryo_ ยท 77 points ยท Posted at 18:30:56 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
thank mr mod
WHYdidyouSHOOT ยท 27 points ยท Posted at 18:44:23 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
ban ban
kumquat_juice ยท 58 points ยท Posted at 18:47:27 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You have been banned from /r/Android
Reason: you don't like kumquats
WHYdidyouSHOOT ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 18:56:49 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
O O F
kumquat_juice ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 20:05:36 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
owie
mattc286 ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 20:10:07 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
my karma
[deleted] ยท 34 points ยท Posted at 18:31:31 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Good mod
Lord-Zeref ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:47:26 on March 27, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
This is the good mod bad mod person. Thanks for voting :P
chishiki ยท 30 points ยท Posted at 18:44:51 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Uncommonly good mod.
[deleted] ยท 38 points ยท Posted at 19:14:40 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Why do you let this user spam the subreddit? He has over 20% of the top 25 posts and almost 50% of the "new" posts. This user makes multiple posts every hour.
FractalAsshole ยท 26 points ยท Posted at 19:34:37 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
This is a fair point. I still think this post shouldn't be deleted because of its popularity.
But the other posts are straight up spam.
ladfrombrad ยท 31 points ยท Posted at 20:15:55 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Do us a biggie would you, and modmail us with the posts which you believe are "spam", and outright break our rules so I can take a further look.
fyen ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 02:06:12 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
So, did you ever get a message?
ladfrombrad ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 07:50:08 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Fraid not! I think what they might have construed for spam was something that we've already dealt with (ham โ spam) but the OP has deleted afterwards.
Which we've got our beady eyes on ๐
dadfrombrad ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:10:10 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Dad youโre a shill
dadfrombrad ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:11:33 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
He also barks at people for reposts which is hilarious
kumquat_juice ยท 46 points ยท Posted at 20:05:22 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You're not alone in that. We've had a chat with the user already. Please feel free to DM me about this issue or message the mod team about it if there's more issues that arise. Apologies in advance if responses are slow, we have a couple mods out on break so it's just me on EST ๐ฉ๐ฉ๐ฉ๐ฉ๐ฉ
SkollFenrirson ยท 36 points ยท Posted at 21:18:27 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Wtf am I witnessing? A mod on Reddit being reasonable?
I kid I kid. Keep up the good work.
[deleted] ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 22:31:47 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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kumquat_juice ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 22:39:22 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Haha, I don't mod much anymore. Id like to just specialize in one sub only. Though I used to moderate /r/AndroidThemes, I'm only there to help the new head mod, /u/MHcharLEE get up to speed (YOURE DOING GREAT, FAM โฅ๏ธ). Feel free to stop by there and say hi to him!
MHcharLEE ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 23:19:58 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yo wassup. Big shoes to fill but I'm trying. Also, yes, subscribe to /r/AndroidThemes, buy our merch, smash that like button, links in th description, all that stuff.
kumquat_juice ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 23:31:56 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
DON'T FORGET TO LIKE, COMMENT, SUBSCRIIIIIBE
edgesmash ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 00:40:52 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
IT REALLY HELPS ME OUT
sk1nnyjeans ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 22:38:07 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You sound like you've worked in customer service before, and were good at it!
kumquat_juice ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 22:44:52 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Never, actually! But this was a fantastic compliment, thanks :)
Unless you count working at a deli shop when I was in uni, haha. I'm a software engineer by day.
I'm just a happy guy in general, or I strive to be. My goal is to always at least make ONE person smile a day. Figured it's a good starting point for a healthy lifestyle.
[deleted] ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 18:49:25 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
This is a slippery slope Mr. juice...
kumquat_juice ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 20:09:26 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Next step: taking over the world, Mr. Nero...
dothosenipscomeoff ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:30:39 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
good bot
TheTallOne93 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:10:52 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Why are you the only mod that gets it?
Napforlife ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:10:28 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Good mods. This is what rules are for and how to break them in the right way.
redditor99880 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 18:41:55 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Android mods r the best <3
rudyv8 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:57:21 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Good mod.
Yamatjac ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 08:39:25 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Mad respect.
Azrael_Garou ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 19:10:24 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
How does this break any rules? It's a simple article...
5225225 ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 19:13:40 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
This is not directly related to Android.
The only relation is that spotify has an Android client, but following that logic would mean that I could post stuff about Discord or something here, since Discord has an Android client.
It's the same road that /r/Linux went down. If it runs on Linux or is vaguely related to FOSS, it'll probably do fine there.
TheTriggerOfSol ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:35:05 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Spotify Dogfood was an APK, so that could be why. Either way, mods are letting it stay, so ๐คท
kumquat_juice ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 20:03:42 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
This article is more along for the business of Spotify itself. If it were say, something impacting the APK (UI changes is a great example because I loathe the Android UI for it), a deal for Android users, etc, I personally see no qualms with it.
battierpeeler ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:43:09 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
unrelated to spotify but since you seem reasonable in every interaction i have with you, why was the tmobile rcs slated for q2 '18 post removed? wasn't even my post but seems like rcs news was always allowed then that for some reason wasn't for breaking rule 1.
kumquat_juice ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 22:42:07 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
This one's a tough one.
So right now, we don't allow any carrier news updates. However, with RCS coming out and that it's carrier dependent, it's kind of a weird situation (if you have a link I can probably get a better feel for the removal time, if it was before internal discussion or not).
If you remember, we had a community poll a while ago, so we're looking into updating our rule set for that.
Good question, though. It's always appreciated. Cheers!
battierpeeler ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:31:06 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
https://www.reddit.com/r/Android/comments/847837/universal_profile_rcs_coming_to_tmobile_in_q2/
kumquat_juice ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 23:33:25 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Ahh, yes. That one shouldn't have been removed (I think). I think this RCS and carrier news is something we'll have to reevaluate as a team later on.
Klathmon ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:26:51 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Don't worry I'll be sure to use this as an example of how you are a shill for removing my obviously rulebreaking post but you let this one through!!!
kumquat_juice ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 22:33:22 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Huh? I don't see anything you submitted to the sub... I'd love to help ya but I can't if you have no context!
Edit: also I stalked your profile to look for the post but saw your HASS set up. Love it! Been meaning to work on my own. I have a spare server I'm planning on setting up to run it.
Klathmon ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 22:47:00 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Lol sorry was a joke. I know how people flip shit over humans being human all over this site.
Forgot to put /s!
kumquat_juice ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:48:59 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
No worries! Have a great day, haha. You mind if I ping ya for HASS help sometime down the road? I've been meaning to look into writing some code to hook into my Plex server to automatically turn down my Hue lamps when a movie is playing.
Klathmon ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:13:38 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Go for it! I'm in the process of moving so my HASS install is in maintence mode right now, but I'll be ramping that shit up in a month or so, so I'll be really involved.
Gotta get 27 light switches, 4 chromecasts, a plex server, garage doors, locks, cameras, and an assload more all integrated!
JollyHamsterRancher ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:39:03 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Mods = Gods
danhakimi ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:02:41 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Eh. I generally oppose over-moderation, but this is one of those subs where dramatically off-topic posts just run rampant for no reason. Off-topic Google-related posts are one thing that I understand the mods have decided are close enough to being relevant to Android, but this is basically just /r/technology now.
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 18:33:33 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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kumquat_juice ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 18:44:19 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
:(
Lord-Zeref ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:45:29 on March 27, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
This is how ALL subreddits need to be moderated. Props.
JDGWI ยท -8 points ยท Posted at 22:20:19 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Who gives a shit, this is reddit
kumquat_juice ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 22:25:04 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, and Reddit has rules, oh no!!!
Kevopomopolis ยท 6660 points ยท Posted at 14:59:10 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Mildly related, but I love how Spotify has video ads, as if people are sitting there listening to spotify, staring at the app.
Morblius ยท 2388 points ยท Posted at 16:56:17 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Man that would piss me off so much in rural areas with shitty cell reception. It is bad enough loading a song, if a video ad started loading I would never be able to listen to a song.
HerrDresserVonFyre ยท 2496 points ยท Posted at 17:56:29 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Obviously the video ads load flawlessly regardless of spotty coverage, while songs cut out even with full service.
Nefari0uss ยท 1238 points ยท Posted at 18:24:29 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Just like Hulu. Main video struggles to buffer in terrible quality but the ad is crystal clear HD and plays without a hitch.
davydooks ยท 916 points ยท Posted at 18:41:16 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
My favorite is when Hulu lags out switching back to what you were watching so it decides to just run another 3 ads for you real quick...
[deleted] ยท 428 points ยท Posted at 18:49:54 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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shroudedwolf51 ยท 98 points ยท Posted at 21:28:29 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Good. The less support Comcast gets, the better.
itoucheditforacookie ยท 29 points ยท Posted at 03:43:23 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The Walt Disney Companyย (throughย Disney Direct-to-Consumer and International)[7]ย (30%),ย 21st Century Foxย (30%),ย Comcastย (throughย NBCUniversal) (30%),[note 1]ย and as of August 10, 2016,ย Time Warnerย (throughย Turner Broadcasting System) (10%)
Holy fuck... The devil incarnate
staticchange ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 05:01:16 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Didn't disney buy 21st century fox? They own hulu now with the majority, fox doesn't have any shares anymore.
JustinPA ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 09:27:36 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It takes a good while for such things to actually be done. Disney doesn't own it yet.
[deleted] ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 19:32:20 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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FrankGoreStoleMyBike ยท 47 points ยท Posted at 20:05:00 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
When YouTube has problems with their ad loading, they skip the ad and go to your video.
That said, I've heard that the reason ads tend to load better is because they are usually stored more locally while your video can be on a server in Bangkok causing it to load slower while the ad loads faster.
Kevo_CS ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 20:19:35 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I was thinking the same thing about the ad being stored locally. I can't say for sure that that's the case, but if you have spotty cell reception and the video ads are still loading faster than your music, I would think the video is stored somewhere in the app files.
genericname1111 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:24:40 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I noticed that some time ago as well.....
Interesting, yet simple.
Sparkybear ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:06:16 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
They do both, but being local storage refers to data centers serving your geographic area, and not storage on your device. Now, you can get those ad videos and images cached by your web-browser, streaming client, etc., depending on how often they are viewed, but you should have the ability to delete it whenever you want in that case. Though you'll still probably see the ad until its campaign is up
When you're paid to deliver ads to a certain area, to a certain number of distinct users, having them stored as close to those users as possible is a cost reduction while also allowing you to sell more adspace to more companies. They do the same thing with the actual content they are serving, but the sheer quantity of that content makes that a much more difficult task.
Mnawab ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 01:05:22 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Well the ad is the reason why YouTube can function. It makes sense that it loads better.
kotaro169 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 19:50:21 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
An accidental flaw is still a valid reason to use something more convenient.
ADMINlSTRAT0R ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 08:11:35 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
For everyone out there who stopped using Hulu, try Hooli!
Hooli provides video with unmatched compression rate, that means less stops, more watching!
[deleted] ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 02:28:35 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Me too 8.99 for tv with ads, I get better a deal from my cable company. No thanks Hulu get on Comcastโs level itโs 2018
Why the downvotes, Iโm joining the โI pay less than I ever could through my cable company for recent tv shows through Huluโ circle jerk. Even though if you pay 11.99 you donโt have to watch ads either.
I feel you guys truly believe you shouldnโt have to pay for music or tv and you shouldnโt also have to watch ads.
Wonder if itโs cause your work ethic sucks and no one should be paying you for your work
heebath ยท 81 points ยท Posted at 18:45:42 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Why must I turn on location to use you, Hulu!?
Cryhavok101 ยท 125 points ยท Posted at 19:20:55 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Because they want to sell more of your info.
DarkHelmet ยท 50 points ยท Posted at 19:22:13 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
So they can play ads for business that exist in your area. No point in playing an add for an east coast business to someone in California.
sgthoppy ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 21:13:20 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
They can get that info from IP, which they already have if you're streaming. If you're streaming on mobile data and not wifi, it's still accurate enough to find local business ads.
blazefreak ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 19:34:37 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I'm in california and they play comcast commercials on hulu here. I dont even know where comcast would service because the major isp here is atnt, frontier, spectrum.
DarkHelmet ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 19:57:33 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Comcast is everywhere in California. In the bay area it's pretty much the only ISP in most cities.
blazefreak ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 20:28:17 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Wow sucks for SF. I am in LA and never heard about anyone getting comcast here.
shroudedwolf51 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:29:34 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Why? The internet is a thing. There are loads of stuff that can be acquired via there.
baycrypt666 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:11:02 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The IP address alone gives pretty accurate ip information
Jerrie90 ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 19:02:36 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
so that can abduct youSo that they can give you recommendations based on your city/state
PM_me_a_secret__ ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:40:16 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Any yet I get the same few ads over and over and sometimes even get a few in Spanish for some reason even though I've never watched and show in spanish.
Jerrie90 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:42:19 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe you live in a place where Spanish is spoken but not as much as English. Maybe it's Maybelline.
PM_me_a_secret__ ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:51:21 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I'm right in the middle of the US. The big grocery store by me does have like half an isle of just those big Mexican Catholic candles though..
pipsdontsqueak ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:10:53 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
My polis is mine to know!
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:16:36 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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heebath ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:37:44 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I get it, but why not just take my word for it when I enter my zip code, or estimate by IP range or something. Netflix doesn't ask for GPS to be turned on, neither should Hulu. It's a battery drain.
Abababeebabooba ยท 61 points ยท Posted at 18:52:20 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Do they really do this? If so, holy fuck no wonder people still pirate.
ddpowkk ยท 91 points ยท Posted at 19:49:39 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I'm pretty sure a Hulu subscription doesn't even include ad free streaming. You have to pay extra. And even then I think only some programs are ad free. So you end up paying like $15 a month to get some semblance of consumer friendly streaming service and there are still options up to $40 a month. Its basically just cable companies trying to do what they do with tv on the internet. "Okay so you give us a buttload of money every month and we will still make you watch ads. What's that you want to watch good content too? Well you need to buy our premium package." Then later its gonna be like "whats that? You want to have limitless bandwidth access? Pay an extra $20 a month to get a no limit streaming package for a limit of 20gbs per month". Fuck Hulu
freedom_fred ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 20:53:08 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yea, the ads are a pain at the 8/mo level, but if you do get the 'ad free' version for 12 a month (1 buck more than netflix), there are only a couple of shows that have ads. Currently shows that have ads (usually just one 30 second or so ad before and after and you can skip the after one by exiting to the menu)
I am not aware of any limit on the library for content beyond 'premium cable type channels'. Even then, the premium options cost the same for a streaming plan eg HBO for 15, SHO for 9, skinamax for 10. If you want streaming live TV, its 40 bucks a month (comcast charges 60 for a similar lineup + equipment and all that shit). Plus you can cancel the tv feature whenever you want, making it much better than paying for the privilege of letting dust accumulate on comcasts box. IMO its a better deal to get the 100/150 meg from comcast for like 50-65 a month and then pay for TV only during the sports seasons (if you like sports). For reference, comcasts bundle with 100 internet and a comparable tv lineup is around 95 a month with a 2 year agreement. I'd much rather pay 50 a month, and 90 a month for the months I want TV. From that point of view, hulu doesn't seem so bad imo.
Note: this post is in no way supporting the ISPs interest, just the point of view of someone who is too lazy to go sailing for content to watch and just like to sit on the couch and press play, with the highest quality picture available. More info for HULU pricing.
shroudedwolf51 ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 21:40:15 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It doesn't. If you want to pay Hulu what you pay Netflix or Crunchyroll, you still get a fucking deluge of ads.
Then again, considering the (partial) Comcast ownership, I'm not surprised.
That's a big part of what drive me away in the first place. That and how (at least, at the time, I'd be watching a show and they have seasons 1, 2, 3, 5, and 8. For the rest? Go pay Amazon or something. So, I just cut out the middle man and went directly to Amazon while handing the substitution to Crunchyroll instead. Fucking worth it.
Edit: Oh, right. I just learned that Hulu's higher cost "ad-free" tier has shows that run commercials. Yeah, fuck Hulu.
poster_nutbag_ ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 23:56:35 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The ad-free Hulu subscription comes to ~$12-13 a month and there are only about 6 shows that actually have any ads. With all the content that leaves Netflix each month, Hulu is starting to be worth it. I used to hate Hulu but recently jumped on the bandwagon to watch Archer and IASIP.
I also used Covenant on Kodi, but Hulu is much more convenient and simpler for guests to use if need be.
uPeopleFuckingSuck ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 23:55:06 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Ad-free Hulu is only like $13. For that you get a lot of shows the day after they air and a back catalog that Netflix can't touch. That may or may not be a fit for your needs but it's crazy how upset people get that Hulu has a cheaper tier that includes ads. I just don't get the hangup on that...
efuipa ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:32:00 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Hulu used to not even offer an ad free subscription iirc. I for one completely ignored it due to that, so I'd guess a decent chunk of those people are also ones who ignored Hulu back then and never looked back
eibv ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 20:57:44 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
$8 for limited ads, $12 for no* ads.
*Greyโs Anatomy, Once Upon a Time, Marvelโs Agents of .H.I.E.L.D., Scandal, New Girl and How To Get Away With Murder do have a short ad at the beginning of the show, but the show itself isn't interrupted.
The $40 option includes local TV and 50 hours cloud based DVR. Only ads you would see would be on local TV and on those few shows.
Slightly annoying their "no ad option" has ads on a few shows, but they still have better content than Netflix now. Besides some of the Netflix originals.
TabMuncher2015 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 20:42:42 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Just playing devils advocate (I dislike hulu for other reasons) but their top tier has ads on a few shows that aren't available on any other streaming service most likely because the network selling them the rights requires it (I think it's only ABC shows that still have ads on the top tier).
It's been awhile since I've read up on it/used their service so maybe they've changed it, but that's how it was. I'd rather have the option to watch those shows and see one 30 second ad at the beginning that not be able to stream them legally at all. Obviously I'd be even happier if they negotiated a way to have no ads, but unless those shows are also available on another streaming service it's not really a fair comparison.
You can't compare Hulu to amazon prime video/netflix/etc without talking about their catalogs. Hulu offers much more recent shows (usually 1-7 days after they air) but they also disappear sooner than netflix. They're both streaming services, but they have slightly different models with different pros and cons. Their catalog is their biggest pro imo.
Again, not a fan of the company or their service. Just trying to clarify/be objective.
edit: Thanks for downvoting without explaining why... or commenting at all for that matter. Always love that /sOctoPussInBoots ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:51:07 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It's not that much extra. Like $4 dollars more. Nothing that I have watched has shown an ad once.
socsa ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:42:44 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
What? It's like $13/m for ad-free and that's it. Honestly the only reson I haven't completely dumped it for YouTube TV is because the ad-free price is hard to beat.
aquamarinerock ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:07:15 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Itโs a really good deal as a student - I donโt mind the ads that much since itโs $4.99 a month and you get Spotify too.
I mostly watch movies on Hulu because of it though, because Hulu doesnโt make you watch ads for movies
MrMariohead ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:14:21 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I pay the $12/mo for ad-free Hulu and it's worth every dime. Is it a shitty business model? Maybe. Forcing you to watch ads after paying anything is the real problem. I also pay for my HBO through Hulu because I got tired of having to change logins every time I moved in order to get a decent price on cable internet. Overall I don't mind Hulu. Now, let's talk about the CBS app.......... Absolute garbage.
Panguin ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:54:21 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
For clarity's sake, there are currently six shows on Hulu that have commercials, and they just show one ad before, and one after.
Now, they do call their upper teir plan "No Commercials", which is very disingenuous, but it's not a secret as to which shows have commercials or even the nature in which they are served.
Piratey_Pirate ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:05:55 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Aye
enjoytheshow ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 18:59:18 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Itโs also one reason why networks are yanking all of their good TV shows from Netflix and not Hulu. Netflix refuses to do this
talontheassassin ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 19:10:15 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
That and the networks all own hulu together.
Amogh24 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:59:05 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
And that's why people are heading back to piracy.
Frank9567 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:06:24 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It's not really piracy.
It's what patriots did at the Boston Tea Party. It was a strike by citizens at unreasonable granting of monopolies by governments.
People aren't pirating, they are patrioting!
Well, that's my spin at least.
HeroboT ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 20:40:13 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
My favorite is paying an extra $3 and never seeing any ads.
ScreamMyLyrics ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:56:15 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Same. I've never had Hulu with Ads. I experienced Crunchy Roll's ads and said never again.
Throwaway_Consoles ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:14:04 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Look into VRV. For $10/mo you get crunchy roll, funimation, and a slew of other stuff I never watch.
inkblot0 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:20:58 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
With VRV do you get Crunchyroll manga as well or no? I never got a straight answer from them.
Throwaway_Consoles ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:31:51 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You do not :( unfortunately.
inkblot0 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:23:15 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
So one would have to pay for both. That's BS.
thecakeslayer ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:20:02 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I havent really had any ad issues with Hulu as of yet. What does happen though is that sometimes the ad time will come and I'll get a black screen for maybe 10 seconds and get back to the show.
SoundOfDrums ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:54:16 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Don't sub to Hulu with the ad supported plan, or if you only watch the handful of shows that start and end with one.
DopePedaller ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:56:26 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Try Comcast on-demand while using Linux. They could tell you it's an unsupported platform, but instead they'll show you shitloads of ads and tell you there was a problem loading your video. Then tell you to reload/refresh at which point they just repeat the process.
heavyMGS ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:50:29 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
So. Damn. Accurate.
bonecrusherxl91 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:22:50 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
...or just starts the whole show from the beginning again after every commercial break on my smart TV. I have to have the remote in hand and push pause and play really quick at the end of each commercial break to keep it from happening. Happens about 75% of the time if I don't.
I_AM_A_GUY_AMA ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:35:25 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Ugh Hulu fucking blows
BarrySmart ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 18:45:59 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I wonder if it's simply because the ad is using far less data.
renome ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 19:39:58 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
No, it's because the ad isn't hosted through a shitty service.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:13:16 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Nope.
Surfix ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 20:02:43 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Because they put the ad on your computer, which they cannot do with the TV show for obvious reasons.
Happy_Harry ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:30:52 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I've actually seen the opposite happen with a slow connection. I used to have a crappy 1 Mbps DSL connection but Hulu would play fine if I set it at 480p resolution. Then an ad would come along and try to play in HD. Ads could hardly even play.
nickburgess ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:13:43 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I have the opposite issue. The ads are never buffered. 60 seconds of adds turns into 90+ seconds. The second timer should go even if the ads stop.
MauiWowieOwie ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:33:20 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Dedicated servers.
mehughes124 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:37:07 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Baseless conspiracy / entitlement is easier than understanding the technology!
Serving a huge number of lengthy videos =/= serving a small number of short videos.
The ads are hosted by fundamentally different servers / tech.
Rant away.
VladmirShootin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:32:44 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Man I'm glad I moved to an area with faster speeds
silveraw ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:45:37 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
But then there are the times where Hulu glitches out and you don't get ads at all. Next thing you know you are binging a show just because it doesn't get stopped very 4 minutes for ads.
myhandleonreddit ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:31:59 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The inverse of that is my experience with the Comedy Central app on Fire TV, which streams the episode fine but the commercials lock up every few seconds for a maddening amount of time. It drove me back to pirating their shows even though I have cable and most networks have decent On Demand.
Poppin__Fresh ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:04:27 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Of course, they would get into heaps of trouble if ads weren't playing properly.
zoetry ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:56:22 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Imagine being stuck on an ad break for ten minutes because you're internet is hiccuping.
Also consider that while Hulu et al are paying content providers to show their content, ad providers are paying Hulu et al to show their content.
Ads are preloaded and or delivered via the best possible route in order to minimize suffering and ensure that the customer (the ad company) receives the best possible return.
Hulu doesn't make money offering hundreds of shows (that they have to continually pay for the rights to broadcast) to you for a few dollars a month. They make money by selling space in your brain to the people who pay them many thousands a month.
milenkoIncarnate ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:30:11 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Sort of not entirely related. I have ad blocker enabled on my PC so when ads come on it's just black screen for the duration of the ads and I use that time to check my phones notifications or surf reddit. Sometimes the reddit thing takes over and I miss some of my show.
googlenoodL ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:30:26 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I literally don't understand that. Why do they do this?
bubuopapa ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:58:05 on March 26, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I almost never go to movie theaters to watch movies, but when i do, thats the same experience - ads are high quality, 7.1 (?) great sound and stuff, but the movie itself has some shity stereo sound, that just hurts ears to listen to...
axcesshunter ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:15:09 on March 27, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You get ads using Hulu? I don't.
[deleted] ยท 46 points ยท Posted at 18:52:43 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
That's because all the video ads are cached. You downloaded them way ahead of time.
themcs ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 23:29:20 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Would be great if they'd use this technology for the actual content
Chaytup ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 23:31:36 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Then you'd have to have every song ever downloaded as opposed to like 5 video ads that repeat. You can download your own library to avoid buffering which is pretty much what you're asking
themcs ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:33:54 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Precaching a playlist is not every song ever.
VikeStep ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 00:03:10 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
They would almost definitely be caching songs, but it's likely that it would only be after you've played the song one or more times. The cache may expire to save space when you've not listened to the song in a while too.
It wouldn't make sense to cache an entire playlist preemptively though as it may not even get to play those songs and that's a lot of data to waste (especially for those on mobile data caps), and if your internet is slow enough that it can't keep up the download without buffering, then it's not going to download the rest of the playlist any faster.
Chaytup ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 00:00:53 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
That's what I'm saying, you can precach a playlist. You just click the download button
DreadPiratesRobert ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:10:43 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
That's premium only on android, in which case you wouldn't have ads in the first place.
Chaytup ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 01:16:15 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
True, I mean they need to make money somehow. My point is they do use the "technology" for something useful
NearPup ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:05:56 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You can manually download a song, an album or a playlist. So ya, the tech exists.
Taxonomyoftaxes ยท 56 points ยท Posted at 18:06:32 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
When do songs cut out for you in full bars? I have terrible coverage and never have that issue
davydooks ยท 42 points ยท Posted at 18:21:45 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I think they were being hyperbolic
norineclypse ยท 24 points ยท Posted at 18:30:34 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I prefer being parabolic.
eythian ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:18:24 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Something something Jackson Pollock.
morriscox ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:27:12 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
That has got to be painful.
Playstyle ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:27:23 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
i like that word
Tsugua354 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:54:09 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
well i fucking LOVE the shit out of that word
BuyingGF10kGP ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:25:54 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Ah, where all Saiyans go to become Super Saiyans.
Edit: Also where Piccolo goes to become even more mysterious and green. His antennas got longer too, probably.
SPAKMITTEN ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:32:33 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
songs cutting out at full bars, that is a hyper ball ache
Emblem-menba ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:33:02 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Is that the time chamber?
TabMuncher2015 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:46:44 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Do you stream in 320kbps though or the "normal" 96kbps? (160kbps on the desktop app.)
Also "bars" isn't exactly the most accurate way to measure reception.
That said, they were probably just exaggerating.
heypika ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 19:34:36 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You know, there's a completely logical reason for that... Service and ads come from different providers. And the ads one is usually Google, which loves to put cache servers basically everywhere. Very few services can match that kind of diffusion
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 20:50:08 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
+1 to this reply. While a service obviously cares about it's ads getting run as much as possible and that's part of it, the practical reason they load faster is a lot less nefarious than it seems.
Ads make sense to cache locally since you know for sure that nearby users are going to be served a limited subset no matter what they're listening to/watching. It's harder to prepare for the massive range of other on-demand media beyond just popular/trending stuff.
Kleivonen ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:20:59 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Ads just have a better CDN
MonkeySpanker187 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:50:44 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
That's because applications cache ads on your device. Check out your storage with a file explorer. I bet you'll find a few cached in there.
olraygoza ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:38:46 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The best minds of our time are working tirelessly to make you see an ad. I wish I was joking, but that is true for in all tech companies.
FrozenMongoose ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:57:52 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You are wrong about video ads loading fast in spotify in slow areas.
the_leprachuan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:33:40 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
That's not actually true. I have such terrible internet that a video ad can take between 5 and 15 minutes to buffer enough to play. The mobile app is near unusable as a free app. 3 songs. 30 minutes of waiting for a video to load while it plays half millisecond clips of the video and can barely buffer (I get 5Mbps (750K down)). But on my computer as soon as the ad pops up I close spotify and circumvent 20 minutes of ads free of charge. Y'all wanna mine btc with my spotify go for it. Just leave me ad free
Logicalrighty ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:02:03 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
My spotify has never cut out.
corey389 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:34:21 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Ya because the ads probably preload when on wifi /s
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:40:47 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Shit I haven't ever had that happen. Even when I take the subway, the songs loading when pulling into a stop is enough to keep music playing when I don't have service for the next 5 minutes.
Schootingstarr ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:35:26 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I'm more annoyed that often the app just stops playing songs altogether after finishing with an ad
Like, what the hell, I don't mind the ads, just keep playing my music pls!
Mida2010 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:47:30 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Like when you cant load the Speedtest website properly but you can load the 10 gif ads on the page flawlessly
morriscox ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:19:47 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
"...regardless of spotify coverage..."
diachi_revived ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:26:14 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The Android app is slow as hell at times. It's fine for a while after reinstalling it and downloading all of your songs again (for some reason it doesn't find them from before...). After a few months it goes back to freezing and lagging.
Not like I have a shit phone either, I'm on the S7.
phantomEMIN3M ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:01:42 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Pandora does the same shit, even with strong Wi-Fi. Doesn't bother me much though. 90% of the time I use Pandora is in my car. I can just go to one of my 6 presets and usually at least one has a song on.
wathername ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:21:29 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It is much easier to cache a limited set of ads than all music ever.
ChocElite ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:19:37 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The ads are downloaded with the app and it's updates. They can do that now with targeted ads. So then, even if you load a song, then put it in Airplane mode, you'll still get ads. I'm like 75% sure this is true.
Raigek ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:31:50 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Like in football stadiums where the light might be cutt off but the advertisement screens keep having power.
whatnowwproductions ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:00:05 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
That may be because some apps store ads on your internal storage to play them later.
Stormfly ยท 30 points ยท Posted at 18:26:54 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Video ads remove audio ads for 30 minutes.
So they're optional, but doing it removes the audio ones for a while so it's usually worth it if you're not limited.
Or at least that was how it worked before I got premium.
4K77 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:06:22 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Can confirm it offered that to me today
upsidedownfunnel ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 20:51:38 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I get what you're saying, but in Spotify's case, they are providing a pretty valuable service for free. Even heavy users lose money for Spotify at only $10/month. They rely on the same model as gym memberships where the frequent users are subsidized by the people that pay and never use it. Getting music for free by just listening/watching some ads is a pretty good deal, IMO. Not unlike the radio, right?
Dawson1917 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 06:16:59 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Phone data around where I live (Australia) costs $10 per gigabyte used. These ads load in full HD and use up about 100mb each, and load in the background before you even know one is about to pop up. Just listening to the music costs me $10-20 per hour! Fuck additional subscription costs and the constant
brainwashingadvertising on top of it! Piracy and cracked APKs let me afford to eat. Nice seeing Spotify focus so much attention on trying to shut a victimless crime down instead of improving their crappy apps.geoken ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:07:30 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Wouldn't the victim here be Spotify who's having to pay a royalty for that song you just listened to while not being able to collect ad revenue for it?
Dawson1917 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:45:37 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Spotify makes loads of money by taking enormous cuts out of revenue that should be going to the artist, and by pushing incredibly predatory advertising on users for money. I got stuck in a loop of eternal video advertisements the other day because I'd mute the audio and tab out during the advert, so Spotify continued to play more and more and more and refusing to let me access the music I was trying to listen to to de-stress. Then the flashing popup and banner ads that are present 24/7... They make a million times more money than they need or deserve.
They're not victims until they start treating users and artists like people instead of cattle.
geoken ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:30:55 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I don't want to do the snarky LMGTFY, but if you did even the slightest amount of research you'd see that Spotify is, to this day, running at a loss. Surely the fact that their current take isn't even enough to support their operating costs should suggest they definitely aren't taking more money than they 'deserve'.
You're leeching the server resources, actively contributing to shrinking the artist payout pot, then complaining about artists not being paid enough?? You're directly responsible for those payouts shrinking. How do reconcile that with the fact that the people you're trying to shift the blame to aren't even making enough to pay the power bill?
Dawson1917 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:38:52 on March 25, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
No, it's the pirates!
geoken ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:43:49 on March 25, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
So the fact that they're running at a loss is because they're underpaying artists?? How does the math for that work?
Also, to everything else you said, the loses are shrinking. In other words they're trending in the right direction so obviously everything you said must be incorrect.
DeathChill ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:00:12 on March 25, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Sure, keep trying to justify stealing. I'll try putting a brisket under my shirt next time I'm at Costco and see how that goes for me using your logic.
Dawson1917 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:04:39 on March 26, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Lmao the only "stealing" here is Spotify stealing the labour of artists for profits. Same with Costco selling tens of thousand an hour per store but only giving their dozen employees $10 per hour :))
DeathChill ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:12:04 on March 26, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I'm pretty sure Costco pays very well. Spotify isn't stealing anything.
Dawson1917 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 03:23:39 on March 26, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Costco: employee sells a thousand dollars+ in an hour, gets a wage for 10-20 dollars depending on where you live. That's not being paid well for how much profit your labor is creating.
Spotify: plays predatory adverts, takes most of the revenue and gives artists 15% of the profit they're producing. Even though the artists' labor produced all that wealth, with Spotify serving as nothing other than a storage center for accessing those songs and an injector of advertisements.
grandpajones ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:05:01 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It always asks me if I want to choose to view the video ad instead of the usual ads.
StachTBO ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 20:34:35 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I know this sounds crazy, but if you live in a rural area and the ad's are a bother you can pay for the service and avoid the ads.
mostimprovedpatient ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:05:43 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
No one is going to pay for the service if they can't get the songs to buffer so that they don't constantly stop
StachTBO ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:34:17 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Not sure what you are talking about. I have never had that issue and if you do, just download them to your playlist if you have bad internet.
iwonderhowlonguserna ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:50:46 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I think spotify saves the ads to your device so after the first view they won't be downloaded again. I don't know what else explains the app taking over 500mb on my phone. And no, I haven't downloaded any songs, it's the free version.
yokuyuki ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:15:22 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
They cache songs.
Edc3 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:31:40 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The video ads are optional(you have to press watch video in the app). They will give you 30 minutes of ad free music if you watch the video but if you don't watch it they will give you 4 or 5 audio ads in a row.
CedarCabPark ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:08:15 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I use Google Music, and I'd never ever go back to Spotify. Its more expensive, but you get Youtube Red with it at least.
And they almost always have a 3 month trial. Or 4 month if you look around.
The recommend algorithm is way better in my experience. I actually find tons of stuff I'm into. And you can do all the regular things. Download albums for offline play. Upload whatever music you want. Etc, etc.
The only reason I see to use Spotify is saving a few bucks a month. But of course no ads on Google. And youtube red turns off youtube ads I believe. And you can shut off your screen without stopping a video. I know there's other ways around that, but its nice by default. Not sure how much the premium Spotify is now.
So yeah, give it a shot I guess. Free trial, then cancel
TabMuncher2015 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:03:30 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Tbf the $5 hulu + spotify student deal is pretty unbeatable. Anyone with access to a .edu email address can sign up.
I agree though I prefer youtube red + GPM. Honestly mostly for the offline youtube than GPM because there are hundreds of mixtapes, EP's, and underground artists that I listen to that aren't available on the either GPM or spotify.
geoken ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:09:45 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
YouTube red is available in only 5 countries worldwide. So this might be a good deal for people that are in those countries, but for the rest it's obviously a non factor.
Aarongamma6 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:28:32 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I never had videos on my phone only the desktop. I don't think they do videos on phones for specifically that reason, and/or data limits.
TabMuncher2015 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:07:48 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
They do, just watched one this morning. It prompts you to watch for 30 min of add free listening if you want. Also they cache the ads so it may not waste data? probably caches it even off wifi though...
Something I find interesting is that Soundcloud mobile app will cache somewhere around 15-25 songs I think (haven't figured out the exact number) and won't play ads with no signal so I'm assuming they don't cache them? I'll turn off data/wifi and have add free listening on my frequently listened to playlist :)
Aarongamma6 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:10:19 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Well that's a bit different because you choose to then. His situation wouldn't happen then because he wouldn't choose the video.
TabMuncher2015 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:19:43 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Exactly, it's a hypothetical that would never happen because no one in that situation would choose the video.
I feel his pain though, old DSL ISP couldn't stream pandora with the router off and only 1 device connected via ethernet.... videogames/patches would take days to download. Now I have unlimited 4g and stream 4k video/320kbps music in all it's glory :)
Username00125 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:21:44 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
That's often because they don't need to encode in ways that allow skipping around and the adds are usually loaded on closer servers reducing latency and other common issues. Gives a bad feeli mg when it happens but there is a technical reason for it usually
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:26:12 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Oh no, man imagine being able to tune in music for free with ads while driving around
Or pay for Spotify
kajri ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:33:16 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
So true
hampa9 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:15:36 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Why are you getting pisses off about a free product when you have the option to buy premium.
Atomic_Noodles ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:12:11 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
In Australia watching the video ads lets you listen to songs for 30 minutes ad-free. Also I think one of the cell providers down here in South Australia has a contract with them that lets you stream spotify data free.
Heaney555 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:48:47 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
There's actually a really easy way fix this - actually pay for unlimited music.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:27:54 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Bro I'm a truck driver. Let me tell how many times I've almost taken a fully loaded 80k lb sand truck head on in to oncoming traffic over this shit.
Edc3 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:33:08 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Get sptify premium before you kill someone!!
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:00:02 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
hmmm, maybe pay for the service?
the_second ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:11:39 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Pay 10โฌ a month, be done with the problem?
textposts_only ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:25:30 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I mean you are getting a free song so you shouldn't really complain about the way you are paying for it. Buy premium and then you won't have ads
Cory0527 ยท 204 points ยท Posted at 18:00:59 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
"Thanks for watching! Now enjoy 30 minutes of commercial free music!"
Screen was off the whole time
pizzabagel2468 ยท 135 points ยท Posted at 18:46:58 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
*5 minutes later you get the same ad
GridBrick ยท 23 points ยท Posted at 19:45:30 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Turns down volume to 0 during ad
pizzabagel2468 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 19:49:03 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Same unless it's the surprisingly funny taco bell add
[deleted] ยท 128 points ยท Posted at 17:35:45 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I have the paid version because I use it 10+ hours a day but video ads sound crazy and distracting when you have your phone mounted up in your car and Spotify open
hellabad ยท 87 points ยท Posted at 18:23:45 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I pay for Spotify for the same reason, if you're using it at least 2 to 4 hrs a day then why not pay for premium and never deal with ads. Not to mention having background noise in your room is great without listening to some ad.
I had Pandora premium for the same reason. I was getting an ad every couple of songs and it got annoying, when I switched to Spotify I immediately bought premium.
[deleted] ยท 47 points ยท Posted at 18:33:23 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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Guibarbero ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 21:12:24 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I use it as background music while playing in my Xbox (BF1 and overwatch mostly) and this alone is worth paying. And I donโt even play that much
metal0130 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 00:28:22 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I've been using a capital one credit card to pay for my account. I just found out that using that card has been giving me a 50% off for the past few years because of a deal between Spotify and Capital One.
It's been $4.99 a month for several years and I didn't even notice lol
karmapuhlease ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 20:13:38 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Not only that, but I got my family the group plan for Christmas. We probably listened to 15,000-20,000 songs last year (I hit 10k alone) all for $180. Literally $0.01 per song, roughly.
TabMuncher2015 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:09:51 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Probably listening to a lot of songs 2, 3, 4 + times though (if not more.) Not arguing that it's not a fantastic deal, just being a pedantic asshole :P
karmapuhlease ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 21:41:35 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Haha sure. I mean $0.01 per play, I suppose.
PM_ME_YOUR_PCB ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 12:00:59 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Of you could get mp3s and listen to them forever for free.
ShootUpPot ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:38:50 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I don't even know how long I've been paying for it and it's been worth it all the way!
Dmasik ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 00:38:05 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Where I am its 10euro a month, thats 120 euro a year, that shit is super expensive for me
Occams-shaving-cream ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 03:50:07 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Dude! I also work as a promoter for Spotify and the fee is totally worth it!
skineechef ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 21:35:31 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Which streaming service do you prefer between the two you just mentioned?
hellabad ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 21:59:59 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not sure what Pandora does anymore but what made me swap to Spotify was:
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:27:42 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Itโs better for upvote farming. If you complain about ads all day instead of paying up
EnviroguyTy ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:36:11 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I pay for premium to get rid of ads as well as being able to download playlists for offline use. I'm in my car a lot for work and we love to travel, so having massive playlists downloaded saves headaches and data.
j1202 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:49:27 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
because you can get a mod for free
lifeiswater ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 18:41:06 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
"Watch this brief video and your next 30 minute will be ad free. That's right! Click here to watch a brief video now."
postnick ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:05:30 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I have paid for Spotify since the day it came out. So worth it. I wanted the offline sync more than anything. I still don't have unlimited.
snaftyroot ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:49:11 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
how do you use spotify that much?
estryshak ยท 318 points ยท Posted at 15:53:17 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Spotify has video content. Believe they added it within the last year.
ushutuppicard ยท 266 points ยท Posted at 16:41:40 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
so use the video ads during video content. the vast majority of users dont watch video content, and listen to it with spotify in the background. it's pretty stupid IMO.
amped242424 ยท 76 points ยท Posted at 17:36:47 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I imagine they can charge more per video ad though
mostnormal ยท 93 points ยท Posted at 17:54:03 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
So long as the advertisers don't realize their ads are being ignored entirely.
amped242424 ยท 31 points ยท Posted at 18:02:25 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Most use an agency to run their ads [like IPG] and they'll never notice.
wifflebb ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:56:02 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
So you think agencies don't track ad results and report it to their clients?
aurorasearching ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 22:33:44 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The other day I was using the Spotify app on my phone and it told me "press the button below to watch a video for 30 minutes ad free music" and then I realized I had to open my phone and actually press a button to watch it to get ad free music. Which makes sense why previously I'd been only getting like two songs before a 2 minute audio only ad break came up, I wasn't pushing the button to get 30 minutes ad free by watching a 30 second video.
skineechef ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:34:25 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I saw the Alexa ad like 10 times in 2 days before I renewed for premium. I tried to ignore it sooo much, but that audio got thru eventually.
skineechef ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:33:21 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The video ads are usually 30 seconds, something either relevant( like black panther teaser trailer) or top tier sponsor, like google. You don't ever have to watch the video.. it's a choice to "watch the video" and get 30 minutes ad free, or continue on with the ads as they currently are.
brantyr ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:12:14 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
When I was on free a year or so ago it offer that if you (pulled out your phone and) watched the video ad you'd get a 1/2 hour of uninterrupted music
ziggycrane ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 17:55:22 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
... and yet you know that they exist, I didn't. Which means they worked on you.
ushutuppicard ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:17:28 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
i know they exist 100% because of /u/Kevopomopolis stating that they did. I have spotify premium. No ads.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 17:36:04 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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estryshak ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:59:01 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Browse Tab -> Videos
Vectornaut ยท 25 points ยท Posted at 17:18:07 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Especially when those video ads make zero sense unless you are actually watching it
VaginaPenisNetwork ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 17:32:53 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
They make perfect sense when you realize you have limited data and probably just bite the bullet and get the subscription so you don't run out of data every month.
Varonth ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:53:27 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
There was an ad campaign for some sort of champagner a few years ago. It was a video ad on spotify. It didn't have any word spoken, and just some music running.
About half a year after the campaign started, there was one of those spotify surveys, and it was about said ad campaign.
That survey was the first time I actually saw the ad. I knew the song, but it wasn't until then that I also knew what the ad was about.
Seriously, that cannot be effective marketing.
rafasc ยท 28 points ยท Posted at 15:57:03 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
don't give them ideas.
lion_OBrian ยท 41 points ยท Posted at 16:47:37 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
15,000,000 merits
[deleted] ยท 28 points ยท Posted at 17:12:31 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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IAppreciatesReality ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 18:23:06 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
VIEW OBSTRUCTED
Benito_Mussolini ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:14:02 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Spend 20,000 to skip ad?
IAppreciatesReality ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:26:51 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
INSUFFICIENT FUNDS
RESUME VIEWING
IAppreciatesReality ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:30:39 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Seriously though as far as mainstream media goes this shit is golden imo. This episode and nosedive, they're so perfect for our current society and a metaphorical take on the future. For those wondering wtf, please watch Black Mirror, specifically season one episode two and season three episode one. They're nothing shy of incredible.
TotallyExaggerating ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:38:34 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
that episode made me hate black mirror. so awful
DreamsOfNeonCities ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:42:42 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Its horribly depressing, but a great episode.
Von_Zeppelin ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 17:54:17 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I particularly love how it would ask me to watch a video(to get the next 30minutes ad free!) ......as I was driving.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:36:36 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Lmao I actually do this
fragmen52 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:46:32 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
They're really annoying having moving things on my head unit while I'm driving.
GlaurungFury ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:09:05 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
What I absolutely hate is that they force you to watch the video format of the ads. If you're stuck in a building you can't watch the ad to play your playlist.
FyahJohnny ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:34:25 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Also mildly related to this, if you use the "made for you" playlists, you can avoid most ads by switching back and forth between playlists, it moves the tracklist forward each time too, so you get unlimited skips.
thunderust ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:11:28 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
this is how i suppress my ads... if spotify plays a video ad on an audio streaming service i close it down immediately. fuck video ads on spotify they piss me off
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:13:22 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
So does gooey music.
But Google music has a skip button, same idea YouTube. So I think people will look so they get to skip. Or else the ad would be running for a minute.
Zerotix ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:25:03 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
My wife and I do. Theres the overly broad shoulder guy, the overalls white girl, the steve erkel black kid, the black haired asian/native indian girl... Theres a charmin jingle now, Tyson foods pops up a lot...
But mlst of the time Spotify plays this nice tune and we get excited only to find out its a fake song to advertise premium, where we wont be able to listen to that jingle again...
"Ask anyone! Life goes fast! Faster when youre older!" Yadda yadda yadda
iwonderhowlonguserna ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:51:47 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Especially when the ad has only music on it. I'll never know what they were even advertising.
Hije5 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:10:55 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I actually do then when browsing my discover weekly. Luckily I don't get ads tho
danhakimi ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:05:10 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Well, they have to burn as much battery as they possibly can.
esacbw ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:10:00 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
In the next few months Spotify are going to be transitioning into hosting artists' video content on their platform - the video adverts will have much more relevance then
Pollomonteros ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:11:50 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Loaded at 32k just so you can get rid of that pesky data you didn't have time to find a use for
runie360 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:11:48 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I do this on PC sometimes. Looking for new music and skipping through a bunch of songs and then get bombarded by 5 video ads that are far from anything I'd be interested in.
Garthak_92 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:26:27 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I love video ads so much I pick up my phone while driving just to watch.
EYNLLIB ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:33:18 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Many people keep spotify open on a secondary monitor
--Edog-- ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:22:22 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, the phone is in my God damn pocket you morons. It's a music app.
sipoloco ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:24:26 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The free version of Pandora makes you watch a video ad if you want to replay a song. If you turn the screen off while the ad is playing, the ad turns off, and you have to start the ad over again if you want to get your replays.
Stimonk ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:32:10 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Well a lot of times I have Spotify minimized and I'm using another app.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:22:25 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Iโve always thought itโs a great use of bandwidth to have video ads on mobile, especially for apps that donโt otherwise use the internet or use it very little.
Minto107 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:41:23 on March 25, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Actually. Most of the time I leave my phone with screen on(0 brightness) as I often seek or read behind the lyrivs
dubman42 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:10:09 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I run Spotify on my second monitor when I'm working. If see the adds all the time.
AcornAddict ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:08:42 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I have premium so I do not have to watch the ads, but when I am driving and I have my phone in the dock I do have it open so that the album art is up so in theory if they had ads then I would see them. Just to explain one case.
nathanielcwm ยท 593 points ยท Posted at 14:41:06 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Love how spotify automatically suppresses ads because i'm not in a supported country.
qefbuo ยท 75 points ยท Posted at 23:56:59 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
So I can just use my VPN to block ads? Which country?
introverted_ass ยท 67 points ยท Posted at 02:22:00 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I use from a un-supported country and I use VPN (US) every 15 days. It has a feature to let users use Spotify for 15 days if they went out of country. If you want to it in inverse, you would have to turn off the VPN every 15 days for once.
iktkhe ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 07:46:03 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You could just use spotify web, the ad block works on it.
Szymas255 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:41:44 on March 25, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Or edit /etc/hosts
[deleted] ยท -9 points ยท Posted at 00:28:19 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท -9 points ยท Posted at 00:44:08 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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SmallPoxBread ยท 32 points ยท Posted at 00:55:50 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You're right, your comment is stupid.
HappyNacho ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 01:01:52 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
LOL
ChangeAndAdapt ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 00:48:21 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
dang someone's got a sense of humor
grishkaa ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 00:41:35 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
But that doesn't help with all those limitations mobile apps have.
_Algernon- ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:10:47 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
haha that is so true!
patn8 ยท 2541 points ยท Posted at 15:17:33 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Shuffle Play is a BIG BIG disadvantage, most people cite this as the primary reason for circumventing Spotify's original functionalities.
longshot ยท 735 points ยท Posted at 16:51:36 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Shuffle Play only on the mobile app when you aren't subscribed is the only reason I subscribed.
I'm pretty happy with the service though, worth the subscription so far.
[deleted] ยท 239 points ยท Posted at 17:54:09 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I recently dropped out of theor 99 cents / 3 months sub and was confused as fuck that I can't actually play the songs I want to play anymore.
[deleted] ยท 97 points ยท Posted at 18:47:45 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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lardblarg ยท 26 points ยท Posted at 20:31:56 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Wait what? How?
MotoCortex ยท 81 points ยท Posted at 20:39:11 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
For students only
TheStoryOfSome ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 01:18:20 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I'm a student. Please tell me how this is possible
8bitzawad ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:09:40 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
College or High School?
TheStoryOfSome ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:41:26 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
College. I have an .edu email.
8bitzawad ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 02:58:50 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Oh. In that case, just click this link.
TheStoryOfSome ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:06:20 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Wonderful, thanks :)
ImRedditingOnMyPhonr ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:39:42 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Some high schools give emails too. I think they would qualify too, no?
dickseverywhere444 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 08:29:21 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Link above, under "am I eligible" says title IV accredited college/university only.
8bitzawad ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:59:59 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Nope, my high school does and they didn't work.
anticommon ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:28:53 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Sirens Act now! This offer is only available for a limited time! Jackhammering
Hello friends it is I, a normal human redditor. Spotify is a great product and should be consumed regularly.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:38:15 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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eibv ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:08:18 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You need a .edu email
Rediwed ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 21:32:19 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
So America only. God isn't .edu wonderful?
Ninjaedit: and like 3 universities that outside of the US that still fall under their grandfathered .edu domains.
eibv ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 21:35:09 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You can contact them and they can manually verify other schools if you don't have a .edu email. I don't know how this applies internationally though.
Rediwed ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:46:52 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Well hulu isn't available here anyway so there's no point in this particular case. More international focused organisations already have access to a very complete list of known universities/colleges anyway.
BubbaTee ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:57:54 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
An .edu email is like $5 on eBay, useful for Unidays and MS Office too.
ImGonnaObamaYou ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:52:51 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I think you can get amazon prime for 50/year for 3 or 4 years too
EarnestNoMeta ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:21:58 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
yes america is wonderful
SuperBenHe ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:08:13 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Well, a lot of universities let students keep their .edu addresses after they graduate so it's for "students only".
8bitzawad ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:10:31 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I have a .edu email through my high school, still doesn't work tho
Literacy_Hitler ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:58:45 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I should do this. I am a student and have known about this just too lazy to figure it all out
reddit_user_70942239 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:16:08 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It's actually pretty easy
Literacy_Hitler ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:58:20 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I might look into it after work. Only problem is that my email to log in is not an edu email even though I am a student
lolgutana ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 18:53:18 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
God me too!! I dropped mine literally last night and right at midnight as i was driving an ad played and caught me off guard.
AnakinSkydiver ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:29:39 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
if you connect your phone to a chromecast. you get to choose songs.
Ninjatroiiii ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:56:33 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Btw you can get the โfamilyโ package for 15$/month which is only 5$ more than the base package but you get 6 accounts instead of 1
ignitusmaximus ยท 117 points ยท Posted at 17:18:41 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
See IMO this is the wrong approach a lot of "Premium" service providers are taking. The only obvious off-the-bat reason for consumers to pay for a subscription is to get rid of advertisements.
The main purpose of someone wanting to subscribe should be for the content itself, not to get rid of inconveniences like ads and shuffle play. That to me feels like a company is intentionally putting in stupid annoying BS, so that people will pay up, instead of having confidence in the base service they provide.
Edit: Since a lot of you are confused apparently. I don't disagree with advertisements. They're fine and I know why they are there. My issue is with different features on different platforms. Having Forced Shuffle on Mobile and not on PC is absolutely taking advantage and manipulating customers. They take advantage of the convenience and userbase of the Mobile app, and implement a "feature" that only affects them, and not unified across all platforms. Either add Forced Shuffle to the PC version, or remove it unifiably on both platforms.
longshot ยท 50 points ยท Posted at 17:24:37 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, you can either withhold content or withhold features (or both).
In some situations features are more important. I don't necessarily think that is the case here, but which would you be more upset with as a non-subscriber; Not having the album you wanted unless you had premium, or having the album but not playing it in the order you desire?
My guess is the latter will keep more users around until they decide to pay for the service.
If I can't even listen to the artist I want I sure won't make it to the point of paying for the service.
Just my two cents, who the hell knows what they are thinking. Especially since the "shuffle only" crap is only on mobile.
ignitusmaximus ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 17:36:57 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
This is exactly the main reason why Spotify turns me off. I use it on my PC daily, but mobile is a no-go. I can deal with ads on PC just fine, although playing 4 ads in a row is a bit much, and annoying.
But having forced shuffle on mobile and not both platforms, makes it completely obvious what their intentions are. They know that there are going to be more mobile users than PC users, and they force their mobile users to hear their music on shuffle in order to get more premium subscribers. Its nonsense, and like I said, the completely wrong approach from a morality standpoint.
But at the end of the day its Spotify, and they can do whatever they want to do. I just won't give them my money because I personally disagree with their business approach. Anyone else is welcome to do as they wish.
QuantumBear ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 18:19:45 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
They lose money on their free service, of course they are going to try to drive people to their paid service. They're not a charity, and they're the only major music provider that has a substantive free service to begin with, as far as I am aware. I don't see how this is "morally" wrong.
bruns20 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 19:40:32 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Ya lmao trying to bring morality into a profit driven company doesn't make much sense unless they're like experimenting on animals or something
RichardEruption ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:52:27 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Forcing the animals to listen to Lil Pump is cruelty.
longshot ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 17:48:12 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yup, I bought the service due to this exact same reason. I do tend avoid businesses with practices I dislike, but I never had a huge problem with this one. Artists still get paid for those non-premium shuffle plays too, which I enjoy the thought of (even if it is a minuscule amount per play).
RICHUNCLEPENNYBAGS ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 12:39:46 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
They didn't use to offer mobile to free subscribers at all.
Basshead404 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 18:50:27 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
See the thing is, thatโs not why they even charge to begin with. They charge to make up for the lack of ads and extra bucks. Without lots of ads, they would have been out of business by now.
Now onto the shuffle. See the thing is, mobile users mostly use 3rd party apps to circumnavigate around ads, meaning theyโd pretty much have premium. Thatโs why shuffle is there.
IsThisUniqueEnougheh ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:55:58 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
3rd party apps get rid of the ads and allow you to pick your own songs.
Basshead404 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 19:05:06 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Huh most Iโve seen just have unlimited skips sometimes.ANYWAYS, thatโs the point exactly. They gotta put something else in, or people are gonna abuse it (as seen by the article).
orismology ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 23:35:44 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I feel like the problem with the free tier is that it's treated (by users and Spotify alike) as a service in and of itself, whereas it really just acts as a marketing tool for Spotify's paid subscription.
I feel like the feature disparity is a neat trick. If you just tell people 'you can't have this feature unless you pay', they have to make a choice between subscribing, or moving to a different service. But, by offering two solutions (subscribe or listen on desktop), you get the user thinking about those two options, and maybe the thought of going elsewhere doesn't pop into their head.
almost_useless ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:07:00 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Having premium content that is only available if you pay would make it very hard to seriously try out the application.
The content is everything, and I suspect nobody would get a positive feeling if their favorite songs are missing during their trial period.
divcastle2 ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 17:47:47 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Of course it is there to make people want the premium service. Why would anyone subscribe to spotify if they could listen to all the content at will with no ads?
Your comment should have read "I want everything for free"
ignitusmaximus ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 18:20:40 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Instead of being absolutely ridiculous, you could read my other reply below for a better explanation. I have no problem paying for premium services, to which I pay for multiple.
It's not all about just advertisements alone. I've explained that ads don't bother me.
alwaysneverjoshin ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 21:44:07 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Nope, you still come across as an entitled fuck.
ignitusmaximus ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 22:19:23 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not "entitled" to shit. The way I come across to you doesn't bother me in the slightest. If you want to go around thinking that someone is entitled because their own opinions differ from yours, by all means, have at it. It's your life, live it however you want, spend your money on what you want as well. I guess currently 62 other people don't think the same as you, are they entitled as well? From your childlike mindset, I guess they are.
himynameiswillf ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:19:07 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
How can Spotify make their free service any better than other streaming platforms and still be in business? There is no way you can provide an ad-free service that is so sublime and so much better than the competition that your consumers decide to give up not paying any money to start paying a subscription for the exact same content.
Unless you're saying they should provide a free service that has ads, but the ads aren't the reason you want to buy premium but rather the content is just so good you decide to pay for a subscription? I can't think of a single scenario where that would make any sense, at least not for a company like Spotify in the market they're in.
snaftyroot ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:54:40 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The forced shuffle play is just a side-effect of not letting you select a song on mobile. Song selection is the feature you have to pay to get. They do shuffle play because if they didn't popularity and thus revenue would be skewed towards songs that appear earlier on whatever collection you're listening to
RICHUNCLEPENNYBAGS ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:38:45 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I started paying to get access to the mobile app
MattDaCatt ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:27:41 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Been paying since 2012. Even if i had all the money from paying them, i wouldn't even be close to having enough to buy all the music i have saved.
Also the bitrate is the closest to lossless you can have without TBs of flac files
MurfMan11 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 12:50:30 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Agreed. We got grandfathered into a family plan where we got 6 accounts for 15 bucks a month. Couldn't be happier to be honest, use it everyday for hours on end.
Guy_Fieris_Hair ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:51:47 on March 25, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah shuffle is big, but the ads they had were intentionally loud as fuck and mixed with the highs loud just to annoy the fuck out of you. Adblock on PC fixed that and the shuffle. But I mostly wanted it on mobile. So far I love my subscription.
GopherGuy37 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:02:47 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I agree the shuffle play was awful plus the ability to download songs made me go premium
BatmanHimself ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:20:28 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Agreed. I've been a premium user for almost a year and I'm very satisfied with it
BDKhXc ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:40:08 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I've been paying for spotify for years now, it's the only way I listen to music. How hard is it to pay $10 A month for something you use frequently, that also supports the artists you love while using it?
Ntm, people with college emails get it for less that $5 A month, and a free sub to Hulu.
shughes96 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:24:43 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I've had premium for years. What's the deal with shuffle play? Even with premium you Need to go out of your way to not shuffle
MittenFacedLad ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:22:42 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
They've made it even worse lately. It's even more restrictive now. I just outright decided there's no way I'm paying for literally the ability to even just play from the selection I'm supposed to. (It'll just start adding other shit now.)
DoctorNinja8888 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:19:54 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I'm paying $5/ month and it comes with Hulu as I am a student. That's like one fast food meal month.
Totally worth it
paging_doctor_who ยท 64 points ยท Posted at 19:54:19 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Spotify free is absolute garbage. Spotify premium is the best way of listening to music that I've ever used. The $10/month is worth it every penny.
re_flex ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 11:16:08 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Where I live its like 3 dollars per month and every december its basically free for like 3 months... God I love it, add in the student discount and I don't lose money at all
nicknemer ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:47:54 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Where do you live? My trial period will expire soon, but 10โฌ/month is too much. 3โฌ is acceptable
re_flex ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:42:44 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Philippines, every country that spotify is in seems to have their own price I guess.
blindfist926 ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 16:52:56 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I think they should do this, they have/had the "Listen to this ad for 30 mins of ad free" before, so why don't they allow you to skip 30 mins worth of songs and you get an ad, you keep skipping and how often you get an ad get's lower, 25 mins, 20, 15, 10, etc. Maybe make it work both ways, you allow the shuffle more often and you can start skipping a little more. Useful for those of us playing off 9,000+ song user playlists, cause come on, you're not gonna like everything on there.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:05:22 on March 25, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Or you could just pay for the service.
Pretty simple.
RobinTGG ยท 413 points ยท Posted at 15:27:10 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I mean, I want to listen to music I want to selected, not have Spotify pick some random things out of a list.
Edit: A lot of people say I have to deal with it and not complain because the service is free, and if I want the full thing, I need to pay for it. In my opinion, the "free" version of spotify, is not free at all, or at least spotify is still making a lot of money out of it. I get that if they don't make any money out of it, okay, I'm not getting the full deal, but those 30 sec ads are valuable, and yes I don't have the numbers, but they still make a heck of a lot of money out of it. At least, this is my opinion.
theonlydidymus ยท 365 points ยท Posted at 15:51:07 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
And if your playlist is too short they play โsuggestionsโ related to the list so you STILL donโt get what you want.
zomborger ยท 50 points ยท Posted at 19:32:09 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
theonlydidymus ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:46:04 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Real and heterosexual.
Delta_V09 ยท 25 points ยท Posted at 17:45:32 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
If the 'suggested' songs were like one every 30 minutes, I could live with it.
But I was trying to listen to the Thor: Ragnarok soundtrack the other day, which has like 23 songs. I thought the "suggested songs" only happened if your album/playlist was under 12 songs, but nope. Played 3 songs from the soundtrack, followed by FIVE suggested songs, then one more from the soundtrack, and then FIVE MORE suggested songs. It's one of the most user-unfriendly user experiences I have ever encountered.
unclefisty ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 20:00:08 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
If you make a single song list you will probably never hear that song.
thoughtsandprairies ยท 110 points ยท Posted at 16:09:42 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
That's the worst thing about spotify. The second worst thing is the ad volume. I can handle shuffle and ads since it's just like listening to the radio, but those two things turn me off. I just use Retrowave Radio now.
Iggyhopper ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 17:45:39 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I actually liked shuffle because I only want one genre of music in my main playlist, which at the time was dope fucking beats yo.
Brian_PKMN ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:36:16 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Relevant
El_Giganto ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 19:17:50 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Very reasonable. Instead of, you know, turning those options off? What's with the Spotify hate on here? The app is slow and Discover Weekly is a personal gripe (since everyone loves it and it tells me to fuck off by suggesting me trash), but overall it's a great app and they try to add content all the time, even stuff no one listens to.
demacish ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:17:43 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You can toggle that off
MulberryPurple ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:51:38 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I turned suggestion off but it still happens on mobile because apparently my playlist is too short?
slowwburnn ยท 65 points ยท Posted at 16:08:56 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
That pisses me off the most. I pay for Spotify, but when I put a playlist or an artist on, it will switch to a radio playlist. Fuck me for wanting to listen to ABBA and not Simon and Garfunkel, right?
Edit: we got some real life superheros changing my life in here
terminalzero ยท 176 points ยท Posted at 16:14:27 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You know that's just a toggle setting, right?
slowwburnn ยท 27 points ยท Posted at 16:20:16 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You're my hero
deftspyder ยท 30 points ยท Posted at 16:52:42 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
a toggle for the one thing that pisses you off the most. must feel good.
slowwburnn ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 17:02:01 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I'm pretty happy right now
Koalchemy ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:47:04 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I wish I had a toggle setting for the things that pissed me off the most.
Iggyhopper ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:48:17 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I pay 10/mo for this and some random person on the internet who I DONT PAY tells me. This is how you know some of the app design is shit
Kleivonen ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 06:10:50 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It's in the settings menu. It's not like it's buried...
evacu8 ยท 35 points ยท Posted at 16:15:53 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You can turn that off..
Strooble ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 16:16:43 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Just turn on repeat, that will fix it and there's literally no issue then.
slowwburnn ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:21:10 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
That works for me on playlists, but not artists. But other people let me know there's a setting for it, so I'm happy now
cdub689 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:28:31 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
it wont in airplane mode but you have to download the playlist first
CollaterLDamage ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:47:20 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
thats the only feature i like.
discover weekly or daily just chooses a genre and gives me shitty songs of one type.
on the other hand, the suggestions based off the artist tend to be more in line with the artists flow then the genres type
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:39:30 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Which you can turn off...
Sillyrosster ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:12:00 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Why should you? Pay for it.
Mats56 ยท 663 points ยท Posted at 15:52:04 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Then pay for it?
GriffonsChainsaw ยท 654 points ยท Posted at 16:10:05 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Whoa let's not get crazy here. I want all my content when I want it, I don't want to pay for it, and I sure as fuck don't want to spend five to thirty seconds out of every couple of minutes just letting an ad run. Why should I be expected to contribute in any way to the content I demand. It's not a real job making it, despite me treating it just like any other real content I consume.
Kcin928 ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 19:57:55 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
r/choosingbeggars
WubbyLubbyDoobDoob ยท 51 points ยท Posted at 16:13:40 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Me as a broke college student: You tell 'em! /s
Akashic101 ยท 113 points ยท Posted at 16:18:55 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
remember that every student can get spotify for half the price: https://www.spotify.com/de/student/
Lag-Switch ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 16:40:30 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
And it includes Hulu now
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:45:11 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
For americans only =/
Mr_Eagle ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 16:34:14 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Oh no, the Germans are taking over again!
Still charging Europeans more, 5โฌ a month there instead of $5 a month here
Kokosnussi ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 16:57:03 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Us prices don't include taxes when they are stated
Mr_Eagle ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 17:06:43 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Iโve never once paid taxes on my Spotify subscription. Even if I did it wouldnโt cost $6.20 month which is what 5โฌ is in freedom bucks.
borkthegee ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 17:35:29 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
How do you know if you paid VAT or not? The entire point of VAT is that you can't tell.
https://community.spotify.com/t5/Accounts/VAT/td-p/47331
VAT is included in all EU country subscriptions. You're paying tax and you don't even realize it lol
EDIT: 5$ sub + 20% VAT tax = $6 sub, $6 is about โฌ5 so.... it's literally the same price +/- forex flux, you just pay tax. This is why VAT sucks, even Europeans who live under it can't figure it out.
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 17:38:40 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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borkthegee ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:45:36 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I'm replying to someone who said the false "Still charging Europeans more, 5โฌ a month there instead of $5 a month here" by proving that Europeans are not being charged more by Spotify rather, their government is taking a slice.
Mr_Eagle ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:41:38 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The U.S. doesn't have VAT, and I don't pay sales taxes on Spotify cause they don't have an office in my state and I don't report the purchases on tax forms (who does?)
borkthegee ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 17:46:41 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You said "Still charging Europeans more, 5โฌ a month there instead of $5 a month here"
my post was disputing that by showing that spotify charges the same amount and the government is who changes it up by law, sorry I got your nationality wrong, but the facts of my post disputing you are correct.
Mr_Eagle ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:56:56 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It's still charging customers more. Tax incidents always falls onto the consumer, arguing if it's the government doing it or the company itself is just an exercise in pedantry.
ApolloFortyNine ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 18:20:03 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It's incredible how often Europeans forget they pay a 20% tax on everything.
Of course, it's also why their politicians forced businesses to include it in the price they give you.
SlyScorpion ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:30:33 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You can't forget paying 23% VAT for damn near everything when you live in Poland lol
Kokosnussi ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:21:06 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Huh that's interesting. I guess it's because Spotify doesn't have an office in your state, right? I only spent 6 months in the US so I am not very sure. But some websites only required the tax (forgot the name) when your billing Adress is in the same state
Mr_Eagle ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:39:39 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah I live in Michigan where Spotify has no physical presence. You may have to report online purchases for tax purposes but no one does. Apple charges a tax on apps and the like, but Spotify doesnโt have to.
Ghalnan ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:05:48 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You don't get charged tax on a spotify subscription, at least not in the state I'm in.
bigev007 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:54:35 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It's $10/mo in Canada. Plus tax. For $5, they'd still have me.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:05:06 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Just remember American healthcare costs the next time you complain about that...
You guys have nothing to be jealous of us for. This country is a fucking shithole unless you're filthy rich.
Mr_Eagle ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 17:08:26 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Bit of an exaggeration donโt ya think.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:15:14 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Not in the slightest. Alabama has a hookworm epidemic. Overdosing is a top five leading cause of death now. Texas has a higher maternal mortality rate than Iran. 40% of Americans are obese. Most American cities have lead in their water, not just Flint. Many "third world" countries have better roads and railroads than us these days.
Don't believe me? Here's a UN report illustrating how deeply impoverished the US is. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/dec/15/extreme-poverty-america-un-special-monitor-report
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:39:35 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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TheTaoOfBill ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:08:02 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
We just paid 150 to the hospital because our 2 year old son had a false alarm. He fell down and couldn't stand back up. When I looked at his toe it was crooked and swollen. I freaked out lol
We took him to the emergency room and the whole drive he's whimpering in pain. Then as soon as we get there he is all smiles. Flirting with the nurses. When I looked at his feet the swelling had completely gone down and he could walk (and run when he saw a little girl he wanted to play with)
Doctor said she saw nothing wrong with him and we left with my son gleefully saying "Sticky!" After the doctor handed him the most expensive sticker ever.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:10:42 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
From someone who has lived in one: America is not a shit hole. Not even close. A true shithole doesn't have readily available medical services at all. When you get sick you die. You can get any emergency life saving care anywhere in America without paying a dime, and hospitals stress legally obligated to provide it.
Sure, the American system may not be as good as some of the best in the world, but it's so far away from a shit hole it's absurd to compare them.
youshantpass ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:33:07 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
*Every college student
Pikmonster ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:37:30 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Not every student. They didnโt allow me to use my edu email.
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 22:26:57 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You don't need a .edu email. You give them your name and what university you go to and they have a third party service that is built around verifying your identity and whether you still go to that university.
Pikmonster ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:28:28 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Alright then, I don't remember it being that robust back when I tried a year and a half ago. Hopefully I can get my account accepted this time then, I just entered all they asked last time and they said they had an error or something and wouldn't let me give them my money.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:33:40 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I've been on spotify premium for i think atleast 3 years now and when I transferred universities, they basically sent me an email saying they need to verify my student discount. Updated the university to which I switched, and they continued my subscription since then.
asodfhgiqowgrq2piwhy ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:43:02 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Or just get a family plan and split the bill with your "family".
RobinTGG ยท -9 points ยท Posted at 16:28:00 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Well not every student has a credit card, and clearly not every student has a .edu email address. I am still in high school, so even more broke than a student, and I can't have either of these and thus the discount.
ushutuppicard ยท 27 points ยท Posted at 16:44:40 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
so since you cant afford it, you should be given it for free? there is a free version with less features, you know?
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 16:47:09 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:57:32 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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EatShitAndPie ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 16:35:52 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I don't have a .edu address and still have the student discount. You just need a verifiable student email address.
DerpeyBloke ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 17:27:50 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
So use the free option then? Or you could go flip burgers like everyone else did in high school for music money.
zue3 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:10:49 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I mean you could just pirate your music. Why pretend to give a shit?
downztiger ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 20:36:45 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
That's also part of the problem. People are abuseing the student discount. They shouldn't even be offering it anyway. You should be paying just as much as the rest of us
Akashic101 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 21:50:16 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
There is just one problem. You can't abuse the student system. You will need to make an account with your official student e-mail, which will be deleted as soon as you are not a student anymore. You can't cheat this system
downztiger ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:02:55 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
As long as you have payments set up for auto renewal, and you had it set up with an .edu to begin with it stays at the 4.99 monthly. I have few friends that have done this for Spotify, and Amazon prime. So yes. It can be abused past its original intent.
Akashic101 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:08:45 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
As far as I can tell .edu only exists in America(?). As a German I had to make an account on a site called Unidays and I don't know how they handle it after you are done studying
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:26:37 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah I have Apple Music and Spotify premium and both of them required me to verify through third party services(Unidays and SheerID respectively)
downztiger ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:33:17 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Given what has been said can you please explain to us why students should only have to pay half what everyone else is paying? You could also make the argument that students listen to far more music working adults.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:40:30 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Companies like Apple and Spotify do these deals in order to get us into their ecosystem. They want us to become loyal to their brand so that once we graduate they'll constantly be receiving our money. If we've been using one service for 4+ years there's a good chance just out of sheer laziness we wont want to try anything new.
downztiger ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:22:41 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You could argue that the 3 months at 99ยข for new accounts is sufficient enough to do that. And its pretty easy to switch services at any point now that services exist to back up libraries, and playlists. They're obviously loosing money on doing it so I do see how it's economical for Spotify.
DanTheFireman ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 16:19:18 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
They offer a kick ass college discount as long as you have a .edu email address.
NormGreen ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 16:25:55 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Pretty sure you donโt even need a .edu email, they use some weird system that checks if youโre a student at the school IIRC
DenverTrip2018 ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 16:27:04 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
If you can't afford $5 a month for Spotify and Hulu- get a radio, that's all you deserve.
WintendoU ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 16:49:36 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Its only 5 bucks for college students and hulu still has ads.
DenverTrip2018 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 17:03:36 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The persona I replied to said "me as a broke college student"
So I don't get your point?
And you're complaining about ads in Hulu when you're paying $5 a month?
Just cut the BS and go pirate- you're not gonna get everything with 0 ads for $1.99 a month
WintendoU ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 19:30:01 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, if you pay, there should be no ads.
DenverTrip2018 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:50:11 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Says who? You?
WintendoU ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 20:28:11 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Says everyone.
The whole points of ads is to make the content free.
DenverTrip2018 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:41:34 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Everyone? That's pretty bold- I'm not saying it.
And no- that has never been the point of ads.
Did I miss the memo on my cable being free? Cause I sure see plenty of ads there
I don't know if any product that has that model- besides netflix and phone games.
Advertisements have been around much longer that those.
Too many entitled people bitching.
It's like that Choosy Beggars sun where you see people demand artwork for free or almost nothing
tropiusdopius ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:22:28 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Still a kick-ass deal
WintendoU ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:21:18 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Not at all. One year is more than the cost of a life time of music.
gjoeyjoe ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:49:47 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
If you're a pirate yeah I guess but that's a lot more work than its worth for a lot of people
LizhardSquad ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 16:19:24 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
you get it way cheaper (half price in UK) if you're a student though.
jacls0608 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 16:59:27 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Dude. Stop buying coffee for literally two days and you have your subscription price. If music is important to you and spotify is important to you pay for it. People that want full functionality without paying for it are the same people that are going to get the paid rates to raise.
capseaslug ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:35:28 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It costs like two Coffees a month
KanyeWest_KanyeBest ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 17:45:59 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
This hurts that people are upvoting it not realizing itโs sarcasm. Pay for the streaming service idiots
TotallyExaggerating ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:50:07 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
downvoted knowing it's sarcasm
KanyeWest_KanyeBest ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:53:25 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Stop being broke
TotallyExaggerating ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:58:36 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
https://www.reddit.com/r/Android/comments/86klzp/spotify_says_about_two_million_users_suppressing/dw618yq/
KanyeWest_KanyeBest ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:08:59 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yea 15k my ass, stop being broke.
TotallyExaggerating ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:23:48 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not broke. I'm just not willing to pay for spotify. Stop projecting the fact that you're broke if $15k is a lot of money to you and not realistic.
KanyeWest_KanyeBest ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:29:00 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Iโm a teenager that makes only 1.6k a month yet i still pay for my Spotify, so even if iโm โbrokeโ I still pay for the spotify.
TotallyExaggerating ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:32:44 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I appreciate your honesty and passion for paying for a service that you value. Unfortunately for Spotify, I don't value their service enough to pay for it at any price. There are simply too many options available for music discovery.
KanyeWest_KanyeBest ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:39:41 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
And i fully understand that too, but i donโt think itโs fair to use a version without ads without paying for it. In the end itโs going to push musicians away from putting their stuff on streaming services and itโs just gonna cause pain. All this does is affect people who pay because now they see an increase in price because of these people. Iโve never bought a CD in m life (too young) but listening to stuff via Cd sounds like a pain and i donโt want to see Spotify go into the ground. Maybe iโm naive but i donโt want to see a service i see as a privilege go away
bearvsshaan ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:38:36 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
bravo, cause it's so true
NeoBlue22 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:19:13 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Youโre paying for convenience though, if you donโt want to pay just download the songs from YouTube or something from an App, then listen to your stuff there?
wayne_fox ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 16:57:36 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
They're being sarcastic.
JohnnyRedHot ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:26:51 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Shh get out of here with your logic
stevegossman83 ยท -14 points ยท Posted at 16:20:42 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
This but unironically.
JohnnyRedHot ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 16:26:58 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
But why
stevegossman83 ยท -12 points ยท Posted at 16:31:49 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Because I can
[deleted] ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 16:42:55 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Stealing is fucking cool
MisterAdair ยท -8 points ยท Posted at 16:53:35 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Oh no, he took a few buckaroos from a multi billion dollar company. What will those poor, frail shareholders do?
Iggyhopper ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 17:50:17 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
So it would be ok for a homeless person to steal from you because you have a house and a car and really what is 10bux really
[deleted] ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 17:03:58 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You know what I am defending Spotify because this the type of shit that might ruin music streaming or force them to sell to FB.
driver1676 ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 16:58:48 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
TIL stealing is cool when people have more money than me
prollyshmokin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:48:16 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Apparently, its even cooler when the people have less money than you; see the bailout of 2008.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:57:27 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The shareholders will want to know why Spotify is paying out to artists for song plays (which they have to do any time the song is played) but they're losing money over it.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:05:32 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
They don't have to worry about that, they already weren't.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:08:05 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
They are. If you're talking about that lawsuit, it's actually kind of insane because it's based on an extremely old law that in my opinion Spotify isn't really wholly in the wrong for.
This is a great read about it if you've got the time! https://www.theverge.com/2018/3/14/17117160/spotify-mechanical-license-copyright-wixen-explainer
stevegossman83 ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 17:54:49 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
And basically ad-blocking should be illegal.
Fuck_spotify ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 18:23:29 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Amen brother!! You said it beautifully. Why pay for a service when you can get it from FREE?! It makes no sense right!
I also don't want to waste my time listening to stupid ads. Hell, I'm the consumer and I deserve respect and great service.
GriffonsChainsaw ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 18:47:55 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You realize I'm mocking you, right?
Fuck_spotify ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:47:32 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Please don't break my heart
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 16:45:31 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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GriffonsChainsaw ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:51:38 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
How do you think people get paid for stuff they distribute online?
[deleted] ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 16:56:03 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The actual artists? In extremely small amounts that do not afford basic living standards.
Some dipshit executives? To the tune of fucking millions.
But the point is you're a retard for believing that listening to an ad is in any way a contribution to anything. They are trying to get you to buy something you didn't already want to buy. You haven't contributed shit.
acidrai ยท -7 points ยท Posted at 18:29:57 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
nice strawman
Kn0thingIsTerrible ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:55:14 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Itโs not a straw man. Itโs quite literally exactly what people are asking for.
[deleted] ยท 44 points ยท Posted at 16:50:30 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 20:37:10 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It's so bizarre reading these comments complaining about the free version
yeah...its annoying to use the fucking free version, that's the god damn point...if the free version wasn't annoying to use people wouldn't pay for the real version...
PointyOintment ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 21:19:56 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Premium has additional features that can be worth paying for. Artificial annoyances that serve no other purpose being part of the incentive is what's being complained about. Spotify isn't providing their free service for freeโit has ads.
SirRealist ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 22:26:24 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Itโs fucking free. If you donโt pay for it...itโs free. Just because itโs ad supported doesnโt mean it isnโt free. They owe you nothing. If they want to play a high pitched noise every 30 seconds they can and you canโt do anything about it. Because free.
MrParanoidCocoon ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:26:24 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah seriously..itโs not too expensive at all. I really have no complaints with Spotify other than their ads being obnoxiously louder then the music itself and I donโt even pay for premium
koolaidistheshit ยท 34 points ยท Posted at 15:59:43 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I know, fuckin love the discover weekly and all they have to offer. It's worth every penny, cheap fuckers or people who still live at home or something wanna have all the perks for free and will actively find ways to not pay that are probably harder than just doing the right thing. Spotify is one of few that's really worth it.. We've found so much new music thanks to them.
shadmed ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 16:02:35 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
People who still live at home can get a family plan.
It's probably just people who don't have a reliable source of income or don't care.
636C6F756479 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:04:31 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
But doesn't everybody live at home?
smashsmash341985 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:46:26 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Play artist radio.... I keep finding new songs that I like in different genres. Something that takes insane amounts of work and trial and error without Spotify
mickmon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:53:44 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
They don't support artists. Ya know, the musicians actually doing the work.
koolaidistheshit ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:29:13 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah they do, if it's some dude making a mixture 100 people will listen too.. He won't make Dick. But the big names do good. Not as well as some other services but they have bigger subscription numbers so it somewhat evens out.
mickmon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:41:03 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Even the big names make dick. It's the lowest paying of any streaming service. Until they pay people who make them money, they don't deserve any more subscriptions.
Delta_V09 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 17:41:17 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I'm fine with Spotify limiting free accounts to shuffle play only, but the "suggested song" shit is absurd.
Me: "Here, I want to shuffle play this album."
Spotify: "Oh, you've listened to two songs from the album you selected? Here, let's play 5 'suggested' songs that have nothing to do with the album. Ok, here's another song from the album, followed by 5 more suggested songs."
It is seriously one of the most idiotic user experiences I have ever encountered. I'm fine with listening to ads - that's an expected cost of sticking to a free account. I'm fine with the free account having a limited feature set. I could even understand one or two "suggested" songs every hour or so. But the current setup is fucking ridiculous.
[deleted] ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 20:23:21 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Then pay money for it.
PointyOintment ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:21:19 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I haven't had any suggested songs in many months at least. When I reach the end of an album or playlist, if it isn't set to repeat, it'll automatically go to radio based on that album or playlist, but that's not annoying, and if I don't want it I can pause it and start playing something else, because I'm already done listening to the album or playlist.
Derik_D ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 16:02:26 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You can select on the free desktop app.
So it's just shoving the paid service to mobile users by annoying them. And that sucks.
polargus ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 16:11:47 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Iโd imagine most people only pay because of mobile features. The desktop web version is fully-featured. It basically serves as a demo for the mobile app, which is where most people want to listen to music. Theyโve gotta make money somehow you know.
TotallyExaggerating ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:52:37 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
i listen for a day or two on Spotify desktop (now web with adblock on) then programmatically download all of the songs I like using the Spotify playlist url I create, then I listen to those mp3s on my phone until I get tired of them and then do the whole thing over again. Spotify is only for song discovery, don't use it as a player.
PointyOintment ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:24:02 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You can't reorder playlists on mobile, even with Premium, AFAIK. You can with the desktop app.
quint21 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:17:04 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
This is the same strategy Hulu used. Watch to watch on your computer? It's free, go ahead. Want to watch on your TV, or on your tablet (ie. where most people want to watch TV shows)? Well, then you have to use the paid version. Try before you buy.
dwells1986 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:41:26 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Even Hulu on PC is pay to watch now. Has been for years. That's why I quit using it. I barely watch "TV" shows anyway so paying for Hulu just to watch a 90 minute edited Raw every week was pointless to me. Most of anything else I watch can be seen on the network's website or with an antenna.
Derik_D ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:52:06 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
That doesn't make sense, don't people just connect from the pc with a cable? Guess that's why they removed it like the next poster said.
phphulk ยท 75 points ยท Posted at 16:06:54 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Then pay for it?
Derik_D ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:46:22 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Not worth it for me at the current price. I have looked at it quite a few times but in the end I can't justify the cost. I would pay if I could get it at under 50โฌ a year. Haven't found a way to do it yet.
demacish ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 16:20:07 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Most people listen to music on the phones. So it's smart business to have that as a feature for the premium members
Derik_D ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:49:34 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah I totally understand why they do it business wise. But providing different services according to platform is strange. I have even seen people saying the force shuffle doesn't exist on tablet, which is differences on the same android platform...
ushutuppicard ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:47:12 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
option 1. pay. option 2. use another service.
Derik_D ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:55:16 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yup option 2 for me. Get my music either from the free desktop version or from YouTube. If the price was lower (under 50โฌ a year for me) I would buy it, but can justify it at current price.
[deleted] ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 16:48:41 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:38:07 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
don't bother whining here when they inevitably block your ability to use it for free...
PointyOintment ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:24:42 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
They have a free (ad-supported) version. I thought that's what /u/WIWIcdiego was referring to.
ushutuppicard ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 16:53:52 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
yeah, very true... options 3 and 4 actually. 3 being deal with free service as it is offered, 4 being steal premium service.
tomegranate ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:37:32 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You understand that they're trying to make money? If you could choose what to listen to on mobile on Spotify free, then the number of people paying for subscriptions would drop off a cliff, possibly to the point of making the business unviable.
Derik_D ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:00:45 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It's current economics but you don't have to agree with it Stuff like mobile phones, clothes etc are costing more and more every year while production costs are surely going down with technological advances, and the difference isn't going to the workers wages. I personally would rather not support that when I can.
tomegranate ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:09:37 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
What? Are you saying that Spotify is making enough money and that's a justification for not paying for it?
Derik_D ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:39:12 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
No. What I am saying is that if they can provide selection on desktop but only shuffle on mobile then they are providing different services according to platform and that's not fair.
What if they were doing that difference between IOS and android? Everyone would be furious.
tomegranate ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:05:06 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Arguably, full access is far more valuable on mobile than on desktop, so it's perfectly understandable that they wouldn't want to make it available across all platforms.
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PointyOintment ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:25:34 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Ads are already annoying, especially if you're trying to listen to music while sleeping
sdonaghy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:16:17 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I do pay for premium and there are still a lot of ui issues that prevent you from finding or playing what you want. You literally cannot play a song from an artist that isn't in their most popular without knowing want album it's on. Why cant you just see all songs by an artist?
mickmon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:52:44 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Not until they support the people actually creating their content.
okm14 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:52:44 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
in PC you can choose your music even without premium, donโt see why not do this in the mobile app too.
PointyOintment ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:22:20 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You can. Or at least I can. I'm on a tablet and using an old version of the app (because my tablet has too little space to update easily); I don't know if you can on a phone or with a newer version. But I can tap a song and it'll start there (usually shuffling afterward, but not always), and I can disable shuffle at any time if I want to. I can also view and edit the queue.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:45:00 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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PointyOintment ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:26:45 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Can't you view and edit the queue to avoid having to skip?
Pollo_Jack ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 16:21:47 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
We pay, have several play lists, any over one hundred doesn't shuffle properly supposedly to play cheaper songs more often.
There is little reason to pay for how they treat the customer and how little actually goes to the artist.
jamespo ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:52:23 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
don't use it at all then
SamuraiJakkass86 ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 20:36:59 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Ooh sorry friend, you don't have Reddit Gold active. I'm afraid your comment went to a completely random user in this thread.
[deleted] ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 15:58:24 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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JustforU ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:08:52 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
How do you โrelyโ on it?
LucasPmS ยท 22 points ยท Posted at 16:22:12 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
people are seeing your comment as "I want it for free!" rather than the more likely "Thats why I paid for it"
5afe4w0rk ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 16:54:54 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Then pay for Spotify. You're complaining about something that's free.
travelsonic ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:01:39 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Though, OTOH, something being free doesn't make it immune from criticisms. For example, the volume of the ads being so much louder... if that can be backed up, as claims go, I'd say it is something that is reasonable to want fixed so the volume is more in line with everything else being played.
fatclownbaby ยท 76 points ยท Posted at 15:51:49 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Seriously. May as well just use Pandora. Luckily my mommy got a spotify family account for her 30 year man children and our wives.
YolosaurusSwagus ยท 76 points ยท Posted at 15:59:41 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
What the fuck?
ReggieJ ยท 117 points ยท Posted at 16:26:34 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
There has to be a way less creepy way to say "My brothers and I use our mom's account."
Evilux ยท 33 points ยท Posted at 16:30:03 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I find that description hilarious.
AustinRiversDaGod ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 18:16:03 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Me too very few things make me feel like a child anymore, but entering my Dad's email address on Netflix makes me feel like I'm telling them "Daddy said I could watch Mindhunters"
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:28:53 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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Evilux ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:12:33 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
get off reddit, dad.
nothingtohidemic ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 17:20:52 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
What do you mean seriously? If you don't want the disadvantages of a free service, pay for the full version. It's 10 ร month.
fatclownbaby ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:01:39 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Family plan gives you 5 shared accounts for $15 a month. It's full version. What I meant was spotify free is similar to Pandora since you can't choose exactly what you listen to. I was being a bit hyperbolic since it's still better than Pandora
LegendaryRaider69 ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 16:47:05 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Don't let them steer you wrong. Continue speaking in this manner, I approve
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 16:00:13 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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ASovietUnicorn ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:05:23 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Seems fine to me. Where would you put a comma, just after "Luckily"? Why even comment that?
thestrykrhd ยท -6 points ยท Posted at 16:12:56 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
After man.
mysticrudnin ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 16:15:09 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
they are talking about "man children"
ASovietUnicorn ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:35:30 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
English isn't your first language? No big deal, but a "man child" is a common expression.
thestrykrhd ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:02:06 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
My bad. I was thinking he meant something like her man, children and our wives. However, I see how that doesn't make any sense. Sorry man.
fatclownbaby ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:13:59 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
So are CAPITALS!
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:16:20 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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fatclownbaby ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:59:05 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Ouch
Ponchinizo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:14:08 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Username checks out
jacls0608 ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 16:58:05 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Then get premium? It's not a free service. You pay for that.
diqbeut ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 16:42:09 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You donโt get to make demands if youโre not paying for the service.
asganon ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 18:53:23 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Then buy the service lol
-bubblepop ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:42:35 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Thatโs my biggest problem with ads - Iโd be listening to a playlist with music I picked then all the sudden a Spanish language pop song would come on, completely knocking me out of the zone
BassCreat0r ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:27:02 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Lol pirates love excuses. There are none.
ChrisAbra ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:37:29 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The thing is, i used to pirate music, and still pirate films and TV because they still havent gotten their act together to make an actually decent service.
Spotify made a damn good service with 99% of the music you could ever want to listen to years before anyone else and ive been a customer for nearly 8 years.
The problem with TV and Film is the publishers are all trying to get in on the same act and restricting content so you have to sign up to like 5 or 6 different things to get access to what you want. It's basically as if each record label decided to run its own Music streaming service and charge separately for each one, that would never have worked.
BassCreat0r ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:48:35 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
True, TV and film are a mess, I have like, 3 subscriptions? And with Disney doing their thing, yeah its tough.
Then there are games...that's where it really hurts the creator, that's the only one I know for certain.
ChrisAbra ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:03:50 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
For games there is Steam though, which i have my issues with, but that is actually a good service that has, for me at least, beaten piracy.
Also for games you dont have to have them as a service, i've not really ever looked at them like that but paying individually for every single song or episode of TV that comes out would be such an unreasonable hassle.
Drayzen ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:59:26 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
That's your opinion, and you're wrong. They don't make a "heck of a lot of money" off it, because 2 million twats are subverting them, and the other 50% shit on their service because they feel entitled to listen to whatever they want.
zClarkinator ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:07:21 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
hmm
also spotify is losing money anyway, don't talk out of your ass
Drayzen ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:33:30 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
So it makes it even more okay to steal. Rofl.
Fuck you thieves with a knife to the eye.
zue3 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:11:39 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Why pretend to give a shit at all? Just pirate music at that point.
PointyOintment ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:28:16 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Try disabling shuffle after you start playing
Who_GNU ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:10:53 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The licensing fees they pay go up severalfold when you choose what to play. It's not Spotify's; the MPAA ensures that it's not feasible to have an ad supported platform that let's you choose what to listen to.
zClarkinator ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 00:08:33 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
how's that his problem?
MUCTXLOSL ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:35:03 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
About your edit: is there any service delivering media to you for free, without the use of ads? Because I don't know any. What do you expect Spotify to do? Let me pay for your use? What kind of logic is "they're making money, I don't want to hear ads."? Id you think I would pay if I could get all the paid features for free without stealing from other users?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:27:42 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Last time I said that in the Dogfood post people downvoted me to death and my opinion was pretty much dismissed as shitpost. (because Reddit hides highly downvoted comments)
Poppin__Fresh ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:09:53 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The free version loses them money, the ads just help soften the blow.
They only make profit from subscriptions.
earoar ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:54:12 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It's known that ads don't even come close to paying royalties, paying users pay on behalf of free loaders like you.
donprimo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:02:20 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
then fuckin pay, free Spotify is like a demo
DeadGoatGaming ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:20:59 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I want to listen to random new music that I may enjoy. I do not want to create playlist that will repeat infinitely...
PointyOintment ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:17:38 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Okay. But not everyone has the same desires as you.
parachutepantsman ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:29:43 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Plus I would create a list of 50+ songs that lasted 4+ hours, and I would still hear the same songs repeat 2-3 times on my 45 minute drive. WTF?
alonso64 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:57:56 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
What I used to do is add that specific song to its own playlist, open that playlist, then shuffle all. It'd only play that 1 song.
But they fucked that up, obviously.
Griffinsauce ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 18:58:34 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
So pay for the service then. Things cost money.
divcastle2 ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 17:46:40 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Then pay for the service...
Picketfencesareup ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 20:05:36 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Why should someone pay for the option of choosing what song they want to play? I can get advertisements but locking normal functions behind a paywall is what made people download cracked versions of Spotify.
EDIT: I also want to say that these features are avaliable in the PC and tablet versions but not the mobile version. That's what really urks me.
TheKage ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 20:54:23 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Because it costs money to run Spotify so they want to incentivize people to pay for it. The fact that they let you listen to music at all for free should be considered a bonus.
Picketfencesareup ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:00:36 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
There's better ways to do that. If it was just advertisements (reasonable ones at least), I'd probably use the app more and maybe even subscribe. But intentionally locking away features that are avaliable in the PC/tablet versions is pretty backwards.
TheKage ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 21:04:21 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Then don't use the app at all if you don't like the way they handle monetization. It doesnt justify stealing it.
Picketfencesareup ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 21:11:42 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not stealing anything. If Spotify fails in being a good service but I can download an APK to turn it into a good service, why not? The corporation should be giving a good service in the first place.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:25:32 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Spotify doesn't owe you good service especially as you aren't paying in any way.
TheKage ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 21:53:22 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
If you pay for premium then they are giving you the exact same service you are getting when you download the apk. I don't see how they are failing to provide a good service by this logic. You are just skipping the paying part which is the definition of stealing.
zClarkinator ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 00:10:27 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
that's like saying adblockers are stealing
ceteris_paribus- ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:07:35 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
So... what do you think of Spotify? A charity? The premium subscribers donators?
Spotify executives : Oh hey, so we're a company. Our primary goal is not to get profit!!!! Let's just give the same features for both free and premium users so we can give people a good service.
I can't see where you're getting this sense of entitlement.
MUCTXLOSL ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:37:55 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Do you hear yourself talking?
FearlessDerek ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 15:43:34 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
On top of that, on the mobile version you can't choose which song you want to listen to yet on a tablet you can. That to me is a slap on the face wanting to force mobile users, who want to listen on the go, to buy premium.
Azerty__ ยท 72 points ยท Posted at 15:58:49 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Oh boy I wonder if the reason they cut options in free is because, and I know this might be hard to believe, they want you to fucking pay for premium.
tomegranate ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 16:08:55 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
They really are that devious, it's a goddamn scandal I tell you!
SuSp3cT333 ยท 24 points ยท Posted at 16:11:56 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Wait aren't music licenses free? Also servers and all that good stuff. I thought all of that is paid for with love and appreciation..
JohnnyRedHot ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:30:24 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
If I could eat appreciation it would be great
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 16:52:55 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Nope, funding that should have gone to infrastructure just ends up in executive pockets instead. If we destroyed the spotify corporation we might be able to actually do what you are fumbling around with misdirected sarcasm about.
bizness_kitty ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 16:10:14 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
OH GOD I HAVE TO PAY FOR MY MUSIC, AHHHHHHH.
chumppi ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:15:46 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Oh really? I guess I need use xposed to spoof my phone to show Spotify that it's a tablet, thanks!
bigwindbigtrees ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:05:43 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Fucking pay for it then it's 10 dollars a month!!!!!
huthouston ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:12:26 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Iโve only had premium, can you not play an album in order without it?
threedowg ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:42:52 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I think rather than taking away from free users, they should start focusing on the gains for subscribers. Functions I really wish I had with Premium would be to add my play history, another would be to stop deleting my Discover Weekly.
PointyOintment ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:16:09 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
On my tablet, I can just disable shuffle after I start playing. Sometimes, when I start playing by tapping a specific song rather than the "shuffle play" button, it doesn't even start shuffling. Also, I can see and edit my queue, which is also a way to choose what songs you want to hear in what order.
I only have the tablet currently, so I don't know if you can use these features on a phone without Premium. Also, my Spotify app is way out of date because my tablet has so little space that I can't update easily, so maybe they've been removed in more recent versions. (Tablets also didn't used to have ads, but they do now.)
On desktop, shuffle has never been forced, IME.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:39:53 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The thing that made me pay in the end was the ad with the airhorn
oooskar ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:00:32 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I have premium but tbf I just put my playlist on shuffle mostly anyway
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:24:32 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
In the thread of Dogfood I was MASSIVELY downvoted by saying Shuffle was unfair. I seriously don't get it.
Terrorguy008 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:34:23 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I know that feel man, it sucks
MetaphorTR ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:29:55 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yup that's the sole reason I pirate their service. I would happily listen to ads for the free version if I could choose what song I want to play.
actualzombie ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 16:03:16 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I actually like shuffle play, but I strongly dislike advertising interrupting my music. At least it's only every 30 minutes if I "watch" the video. I don't use Spotify a lot, but if the ads were more often, I'd probably stop using Spotify altogether, because the service isn't worth $120/yr to me.
luningaming ยท 804 points ยท Posted at 14:18:10 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah and /r/Android likes YouTube vanced which does the same
Edit: Apparently 2 out of 171 mil users are using modded apks. Just some food for thought.
Diggity_McG ยท 182 points ยท Posted at 14:50:32 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I have a sub for YouTube red but still use Vanced for the fact I can set the resolution to be 1080p as default for mobile and wifi. Am I missing something on the native app that lets me do that?
Edit: link https://forum.xda-developers.com/android/apps-games/app-youtube-vanced-edition-t3758757
Credit /u/NatoBoram
prollyshmokin ยท 32 points ยท Posted at 17:56:01 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Well, I'm sold, and I have YTR!
Jimbuscus ยท 29 points ยท Posted at 19:19:43 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I get why they removed it from normal users, It lowers there bandwidth costs, But Red subscribers deserve to have that option
some_grape ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:36:33 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Wait,I can still play at 1080 tho... without red, so I'm never updating YouTube fun
Diggity_McG ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:32:52 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You misunderstood. You can manually adjust the resolution regardless of red status. This is in regards to default resolution.
some_grape ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:26:07 on March 25, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Ah ok thanks
_Algernon- ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 21:08:50 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Seriously, that's the best thing ever. So lame that YouTube devs still haven't provided it for the official app.
Rediwed ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:34:42 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Since I have a 2:1 screen on my phone I have set my default red to 1440p on mobile, that way I can fill the screen (pinch to zoom) and not suffer reduced quality (at least in theory)!
Also a YTR subscriber.
NatoBoram ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:20:11 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Don't just throw a name without a link. https://forum.xda-developers.com/android/apps-games/app-youtube-vanced-edition-t3758757
ShawarmaBaby ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:04:40 on March 25, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You just changed the hole gsme for me
KronoakSCG ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:54:41 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
what is vanced?
Mappadellinferno ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:24:24 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Ad-vanced
ShaneTheAwesome88 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:33:36 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I was thinking about that. is it just vanced because it blocks ads?
luningaming ยท -9 points ยท Posted at 21:15:29 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
A simple Google search wouldn't do much harm would it
[deleted] ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 21:49:25 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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luningaming ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 22:24:55 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It says youtube vanced in my comment, tried looking that up?
Edit: just looked up vanced, and hell its the first option.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:04:20 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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luningaming ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:17:36 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
https://imgur.com/a/IlWa5
Am I wrong?
KronoakSCG ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 21:21:57 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
but the power of the internet doing work for me is much easier, especially since they tend to point at the real one and not copycats.
Olao99 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:26:55 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I think I'm cancelling my YouTube Red subscription
MnMWiz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:37:27 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
How often do they update this?
ShawarmaBaby ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:09:48 on March 25, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I actually love you right now
cooldito ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 20:27:32 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
My YouTube app just does that? It should default to your screen resolution I believe.
Callmekayos ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 00:04:46 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
What is Vance, sounds cool. Can I get a link?
Diggity_McG ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:09:10 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Added with credit in my post
amorpheus ยท -47 points ยท Posted at 14:55:46 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Is that something you utterly need on a ~6" screen?
sonicscrewup ยท 37 points ยท Posted at 15:08:09 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
480p looks fuzzy to me on a 6 in screen. Smaller phones didn't bother me, this does.
Diggity_McG ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 16:30:57 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yup. I don't care about the network speed generally. I want it to play at least at 720 because you can quite easily notice the difference between 480 and anything higher. And the YouTube app for some reason always wants to play lower resolutions and can't figure out that my network speed easily supports more. Even on WiFi.
amorpheus ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:26:26 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
At some point it's also in YouTube's interest to save bandwidth, so I can see why they would like to discourage people from defaulting to higher quality streams. Ultimately this is a cost for them, that I would argue they should be able to control.
Of course, leaving this up to the client side is ultimately their fault, but it is still kinda shady that people using this app hit them with higher bandwidth costs and ad blocking, and probably feel perfectly justified because they need crisp video on their phones.
Sim__P ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 16:27:09 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Lol yeah. And that's not even the point here, the official YouTube app is so bad at handling buffering/resolutions
prollyshmokin ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 17:55:27 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I mean, only if you're not blind.
techno_babble_ ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:13:57 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Or you hold your phone 6 feet away.
-SUBW00FER- ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:34:10 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, 4k video looks much sharper on my s8 plus than 1080 or 1440 because of higher bitrate.
prp-02 ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 18:35:54 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yep I am a user of the modded apk for spotify
Kytozion ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 19:44:54 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Same. It's ignorant when people say that not paying for Spotify is stealing, when Spotify started out with a whole library aquired by torrenting.
ht1499 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:16:35 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Wait, what!! Did they really start out with a torrented library? When did that happen?
ASAP_Rambo ยท 322 points ยท Posted at 14:26:03 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I wonder why /r/Android is filled with fucking hypocrites who rag on Spotify Dogfood users yet praise apps like Vanced/IYTBTBBPUTB
I myself, used Spotify Dogfood and use Vanced.
[deleted] ยท 283 points ยท Posted at 14:39:07 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
/r/Android is a large sub, they may not be hypocrites at all, rather it's just a different set of users for each thread.
luningaming ยท 52 points ยท Posted at 15:12:03 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
While that is true, you don't see a YouTube vanced steals ad profits and red features from Google post thread on here either.
tehbored ยท 32 points ยท Posted at 18:45:35 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I think Youtube just has a worse image than Spotify because they do so much questionable shit.
[deleted] ยท 42 points ยท Posted at 19:03:01 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Plus Spotify doesn't put ads in the middle of a song, like YouTube does with videos.
g0_west ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 20:48:47 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Also Spotify allows you to turn your damn screen off. 5 second ads don't bother me too much, but turning my phone into a brick while I'm listening to something does.
luningaming ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:13:32 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
But in YouTube you can choose your fucking video lol
Drayzen ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:02:29 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Are you using this reasoning as advocating for theft? As if their poor practices mean you can enjoy their features free of charge?
1 does not offset the other. Stealing is stealing. Questionable business decisions something entirely different.
tehbored ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:23:19 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I never said it was moral, but that is the reasoning behind it for at least some people.
daboneking ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 10:06:26 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Cool, let me know in what century will it come to more than a handful of countries.
Meanwhile, vanced it is.
luningaming ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:20:27 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Lol if it's a red feature that isn't available in your country you're still getting it for free, so it's either all ok, or none ok
Surelynotshirly ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 15:20:24 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
People can disagree with something without wanting to spend the energy arguing with people.
In this very post there are people saying "good" and then tons of people justifying pirating.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:48:54 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
That's because /r/android hates Google.
Thekilldevilhill ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 15:13:55 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
No that can't be it. Using android means you must have the same opinion about everything else as well...
velocity92c ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:44:51 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
This argument doesn't hold water on a site with a voting system that pushes highly voted things to the top. You're more than likely to see the majority opinion almost all the time on reddit unless you specifically change the way content is delivered to you (sorting by new, etc).
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:30:35 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The differences are absurd between threads. It almost feels fake sometimes.
bixorlies ยท 101 points ยท Posted at 15:11:24 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Don't do this because it's wrong but it's ok to do this other thing that is exactly the same because I say so.
Ad block plus and other similar things are widely suggested but there's some weird defense of spotify for some reason. If they block youtube ads then what's wrong with me blocking ads elsewhere? Spotify's deafening ads are ok but loud ads everywhere else are bad?
Another one is how badly Spotify pay artists yet we need to pay for spotify so artists get their fractions of a cent. "Spotify is bad for artists but don't block ads that give revenue mostly to Spotify"
JazzyScyphozoa ยท 97 points ยท Posted at 15:32:37 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You make your computer vulnerable by not blocking ads. Every side that builds ads onto their website, is using third-party containers they do not have any controller over. There are constantly security breaches/malware spreading attempts within those ad networks. https://www.engadget.com/2016/01/08/you-say-advertising-i-say-block-that-malware/
Also, you sacrifice a lot of 'privacy', since most ads reveal your browsing behaviour to third party companies, which sell that data.
If you're on mobile, ads cost you money, since you're usually on a data plan and ads cost you additional data + computing power, which makes loading sites slower and more battery intensive which ultimately kills your smartphone/tablet/notebook battery earlier.
So then again, why sould I NOT block ads? I pay services/websites I regulary use. Most of them have a fair subscription price, so there is ultimately no reason to sacrifice yourself to those big companies.
Drunkenaviator ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:23:03 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
There's absolutely no reason to not block ads. People who say otherwise are either idiots or brainwashed into thinking they "owe" companies their personal information for some reason. (Or maybe they like getting malware and viruses).
If I can trust your site, and think it's worth it, you get whitelisted. Otherwise, not a chance in hell will I turn off my adblocker.
ClownFundamentals ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 17:02:33 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
This isnโt true and you can see Spotifyโs financials in their IPO filings. They are cash flow negative because nearly all of their revenue from ads and subscriptions goes to the labels.
Why not to the artists? Well the labels own the music. Spotify doesnโt pay the artists at all or even contract with them. They pay the owners of the music - the labels - who then pay the artists. And of course the labels donโt pay the artists very much at all, but have somehow conned people into thinking its Spotifyโs fault. As I posted elsewhere itโs as if people protested Walmart customers for not paying Walmart employees enough.
intripletime ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:24:50 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I think ad blocking is totally understandable but I also think Spotify and such are totally justified in blocking ways to do that, since they're offering a premium service for free. Nuance is nice.
fields ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:37:55 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It's the same in /r/jailbreak. They make up phony reasons for not allowing even the discussion of piracy whatsoever. I'm sorry but it's just silly and makes me want to spread Spotilife and all the other tweaks to get paid products for free.
switchy85 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 15:53:23 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Thank you for bringing this up. Spotify doesn't pay shit to actual artists, just label execs.
ClownFundamentals ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 16:54:55 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Thatโs not really on Spotify. Artists signed to a label donโt own their music, and Spotify doesnโt sign any agreements with them. Instead Spotify money goes to the label and then the label gives a portion to the artist.
Complaining that Spotify underpays the artists is like complaining that Walmart customers arenโt paying Walmart employees enough.
switchy85 ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 17:41:10 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I DO complain that Walmart doesn't pay it's workers enough. It leads to them being put on food stamps and stuff when Walmart should just pay a living wage. I also try not to shop there if at all possible (plus the stores suck anyway).
I also complain that artists get shafted by music labels and pretty much any service that pays them. Why can't I do that exactly? Because all you did is describe how artists are getting shafted, but not giving a reason I should be ok with it.
BeaconIcon ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:51:37 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The starting wage at WalMart is actually higher than most of its competitors. They just upped the starting wage to $11/hour.
switchy85 ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 18:41:19 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
While that's nice, I feel like that's just in response to so many states passing minimum pay requirements of $10/hr or more. Plus with their practices of not giving full time to most employees, they may still end up on state assistance. Time will tell, I suppose.
ClownFundamentals ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:01:55 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You missed the point of the analogy. You shouldnโt be OK with artists getting shafted, but blaming Spotify gets you absolutely nowhere. Spotify canโt and are not allowed to decide how much artists get paid, any more than a customer at Walmart gets to decide how much Walmart pays their employees. Switching to another music service doesnโt help; the label still takes its cut first from Google, Apple, Amazon, etc.
And if someone claims that theyโre blocking ads on Spotify for the sake of artists, well thatโs just BS, because then instead of getting a little bit of money, the artists are getting no money at all.
switchy85 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:49:27 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
What if I buy t-shirts and show tickets for artists I like and then steal the music from Spotify? They get WAY more money that way and I still don't have to listen to super loud, annoying ads in the middle of my music. That a good compromise?
Actually, I guess it doesn't matter in the end of all this. I'm definitely not going to start paying for Spotify (although I already pay for Google play music along with youtube red, so I'm paying evil music labels either way) and will probably keep torrenting music no matter what gets discussed here. And I assume you won't be changing your opinion on this subject, either.
Such is basically every discussion about music piracy. At this point it's kind of funny.
rinnagz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:10:09 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I don't mind those ads that pop on the page, the thing that gets me are those annoying pop ups, even so I stopped using ad block lately.
Thozel ยท 27 points ยท Posted at 15:14:55 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I use vanced because YouTube doesn't provide Red in most of the world. I'd love to pay a lil for background playback and no ads. They don't give me the option, so I find my own way.
Sim__P ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 16:24:06 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Same. Ads on YouTube are literally AIDS, and they are more and more intrusive. YouTube Red is not available in France, but I'd happily subscribe to it. I have a premium Spotify account as well because it's available here. Google doesn't get that the majority of its user base is not living in the US
ThatOneLegion ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 17:05:23 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You could say the same thing for Spotify.
Thozel ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 18:39:11 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Not really, no. Spotify is available in 65 countries around the globe (nearly every country with solid smartphone and internet access). YouTube Red is available in an impressive grand total of five countries.
Eight_square ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 22:11:00 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Let's baby step then. Shame on Americans who used YouTube Vanced!
avataraccount ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 19:14:30 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
No spotify in India.
Znuff ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:07:03 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Spotify just extended their services recently to a few more countries.
This includes Romania. They did it with a reduced catalogue (compared to GPM and Spotify from other countries) and for some reasons without a family type subscription.
DioInBicicletta ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 15:49:58 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
This. Spotify is almost everywhere, meanwhile with YouTube you either live in one of the 5 countries they support or you are sol and have to deal with limited stock YouTube (as in, no pip, no background playback and no screen off playback).
Also Spotify is dirt cheap, you can have a shared subscription and end up paying something like 3โฌ/month.
Znuff ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:07:48 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Family sub is not available in all the (New) New countries they just extended to.
Goku420overlord ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:28:42 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
What is this vanced?
Ishaan863 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:44:19 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I use Spotify free on Desktop but I'm in India and they don't actually provide their services here. BUT the ads bug out and don't show up. Wonder if I'm in the 2 mill as well. Probably am.
ChefBoyAreWeFucked ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:00:15 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Your comment is the only Google result for that combination of letters, although that will obviously change.
thevdude ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:30:39 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I subscribed for GPM when it first came out after using it to upload some music for a bit, and when 'youtube music' happened (which turned into youtube red) I got no ads in youtube just for having GPM.
Wetzilla ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:22:02 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Probably because Youtube started out as a completely free service and then they restricted certain features to a paid subscription, while Spotify started out with a subscription fee out of the gate. That being said, I don't think this is a good justification and don't support either of these.
JazzyScyphozoa ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:22:16 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Hm. As a non US-Citizen you can't get past YT ads, since YT Red is US exclusiv. Also, YouTube is owned by google, a multi billion company, basically too big too fail anyways. Spotify has a lot of users sure, but they don't make any profit and their place actually isn't that secure (Literally any company is jumping on music streaming). So I see a difference here.
luningaming ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:28:05 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
2 mil out of 171 mil users is nothing
JazzyScyphozoa ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 16:34:52 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
2 mil in relation to 171 may not be that much, still 2 million users would be > 19.000.000$ per month, considering most of them propably have a single subscription for themselves, not spotify family.
Edit: Actually my argument is considering the users would instead pay for spotify, instead of suppressing ads. Which is propably unlikely, but I don't have data on how much revenue Spotify makes per free user.
luningaming ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 17:12:04 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Ok now image in retrospective how much they make from the other r169 mil
Johansj ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:20:29 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Spotify dog food still works for u?
Lawrence_Banes ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:35:17 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I can't get Spotify Dogfood to log me in anymore.
luningaming ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:27:23 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The new one is on mobilism
Lawrence_Banes ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:04:33 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Thanks
HHeLiBeBCNOFNeNaMg ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:05:41 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Can anyone share a link? Cant find it, sorry.
luningaming ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:09:58 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Forum dot mobilism dot org, scroll down till u see the latest version
Spiritchaeser ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:46:08 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
What is dogfood?
Sim__P ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 16:25:51 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Found the guy missing a pet
Clayh5 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:50:28 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Nobody gives a shit about people who block ads on free Spotify. We rag on the people who whine about Spotify blocking features for free users as if they're entitled to unlimited free music.
Drayzen ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 21:01:09 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I see that you like to steal, and then talk about people being hypocrites, as if stealing is better.
Don't throw stones when you live in a glass fucking house.
ASAP_Rambo ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 21:02:13 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I didn't say stealing is better. Learn to read mate.
daymanAAaah ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 19:07:14 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Oh shit i've never heard of Vanced, thanks!
In all honesty I pay for Spotify, but i listen to a 4 hour podcast on youtube that I don't want to leave the screen on for 4 hours.
downztiger ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 20:44:05 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Pay for YouTube red then.
luningaming ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:14:38 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
That's the spirit
downztiger ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 22:24:27 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
This sub summed up in an image.
https://i.imgur.com/HvMGG4u.jpg
luningaming ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 23:05:21 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Fellow /r/piracy user I see :)
downztiger ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:30:40 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Eh, not so much. Only the megathread for the dogfood dibacle. That image was posted there at the time, and it makes a lot of sense. Rustles jimmies here on the regular.
luningaming ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:24:04 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Well if you used it, you're a user :)
pandemi ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 15:15:41 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Youtube Red isn't available in most of the world. I would gladly pay for it if they wanted to take my money.
[deleted] ยท -6 points ยท Posted at 18:28:33 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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clev3rbanana ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:08:11 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
No u
wibblett ยท 23 points ยท Posted at 14:25:30 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
thanks bro you just gave me youtube back
luningaming ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 15:09:52 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Haha exactly how I felt with my Spotify apk
alpacafox ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 17:59:46 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I have a Google Music (AND Spotify Premium) subscription. Other countries get youtube Red and with that most importantly for me they get the ability to play youtube videos with the screen off.
I already pay for that, but they won't make it available. They can fuck off.
twhite1195 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:49:39 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
On my case I would gladly pay for youtube Red, but since Google won't offer that in my country I use YouTube Vanced to get PiP mode on YouTube. I pay for Spotify premium since it has everything I need and the service is great. On most places outside of the US is because you CAN'T get services even if you want to pay for them. For example, any Hulu or Amazon prime series I have to torrent since they're not available in my country.
TheNessLink ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:17:08 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I use Vanced for its dark theme - I'm a Red subscriber.
Emerald_boy ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:09:40 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Y pay for Spotify and use vanced ๐คท
bertcox ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:24:11 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I would read the article but I can't because of Adblock protection.
Kytozion ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:43:55 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Same. I know I'm apart of the 2 million, lmao.
not_usually_serious ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:47:07 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Thanks for the heads up, downloading YouTube vanced now.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:30:05 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I got absurdly downvoted when I said the forced Shuffle was stupid in the DogFood thread.
The day after I saw a post about some adblock get highly upvoted. I am happy now.
luningaming ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:36:04 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Don't worry, that's what this threads for
Szymas255 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:42:55 on March 25, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Spotify let's you pay to get rid of the ads unlike youtube in most countries.
Movin_On1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:38:24 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Help me out, what is vanced, and where can I find it about it?
luningaming ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:04:44 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Look up vanced on Google click the first link and read up on the xda post. And for a good Spotify apk check out forum dot mobilism dot org and scroll down till you see top apps and click the latest spotify (not the first one)
Movin_On1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:08:03 on April 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Thank you!
luningaming ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:49:50 on April 22, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Did you go off on a vacation for 4 weeks :)
[deleted] ยท -7 points ยท Posted at 14:48:54 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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luningaming ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:10:52 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Well it's been an ongoing meme that they hate Spotify cracks (look at this post) while fully supporting YouTube vanced which gives you red features for free.
byIcee ยท 1000 points ยท Posted at 14:10:18 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I think a lot of people just can't use Spotify in their country (like me) so they resort to modded apk's in order to sign in.
I even tried to pay for it but you need a PayPal account that was made in the country you chose for your Spotify account
carrotstix ยท 443 points ยท Posted at 14:50:30 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I know the whole "take my money" thing is overplayed but c'mon,
You, Me and anyone not in a supported country: "Take my money. Here it is. I like your service. Here, take my money, please."
Spotify (and lots of other companies) Sniff Sniff Eww, take your other currency away, peasant.
It's sad.
Pimptastic_Brad ยท 776 points ยท Posted at 15:01:30 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It's probably music licensing rights issues, not currency ones.
[deleted] ยท 112 points ยท Posted at 15:10:38 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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swanny246 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 00:23:21 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Interestingly enough, Australia and NZ have just lost access to Pandora. https://help.pandora.com/s/article/Pandora-No-Longer-Available-in-Australia-and-New-Zealand-1519949301616
BlueShellOP ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:05:35 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Pandora not being available in Switzerland is literally the reason I signed up for Private Internet Access.
Fucking take my money, asshole executives.
balista_22 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:26:30 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
No, take my OUR money into the Swiss bank accounts -asshole executives
Inquisitor1 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:34:18 on March 29, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Dont see you buying shit in record stores and itunes. Hypocrite.
BlueShellOP ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:40:28 on March 29, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Joke's on you - I've been slowly collecting some Vinyl.
Shit's expensive, though.
Inquisitor1 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 10:14:56 on March 31, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Good luck listening to that on the subway without getting your hipster grammophone broken.
Gathorall ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:52:14 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
And you're damn Swiss you're most likely willing and able to pay a lot of money.
BlueShellOP ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:28:48 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
No I'm from California, I was just there on an exchange.
Iggyhopper ยท 71 points ยท Posted at 17:52:02 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
So basically the same group of people that has a stranglehold on physical music has one on digital music too and causes thier own problems. Wow who would have thought.
FirstDivision ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 00:12:10 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
There is more to it I'm sure. No executive is going to say "I do not want more money for something that is already fully produced." Either there is a different competing service in the other country that pays better, or government is getting in the way, something.
fellatious_argument ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 20:24:48 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
But the people who block ads are the real thieves.
NineBlack ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 07:09:23 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Is blocking ads the new Limewire?
Like Limewire was the new home taping?
Like home taping was the new copying of vinyl?
And copying vinyls was the new play it piano?
Is that what we are looking at now?
I swear these people sound like shills that are about to bust out that "killing the music industry" Line.
chirpingphoenix ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:50:08 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah. It's probably also the reason why Apple Music's catalogue is actually better imo than Spotify's. Bollywood, for example, is a bit hit-or-miss on Spotify, while on Apple Music it is mostly correct, with album art and everything. Obviously Apple had to do that because you can't release in India without having the latest Bollywood stuff streaming, but it is a major reason why I would have loved to use AM if their Android app weren't so bad.
supermans_alter_ego ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 19:06:38 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Thatโs subjective though. I canโt stand Bollywood so itโs irrelevant for me and Spotify has a way better Drum & Bass catalogue, so to me Spotify is the better app. Itโs about what you listen to but Spotify kills Apple when it comes to recommendations!
chirpingphoenix ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:25:31 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I guess. Spotify, to me, is the better app simply because their Android app is actually competently made, like they actually cared about their Android customers. But IMO Apple does have the better catalogue - not just Bollywood, but also stuff like Jay-Z, someone who I listen to a lot e.g. isn't on Spotify because reasons.
I do concede Spotify's recommendations are better 100%
OT, obviously, but why can't you stand Bollywood? I get that you may be unfamiliar with it if you're not desi, or indifferent towards it, but why do you hate it?
supermans_alter_ego ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:32:10 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Iโm from England originally, lived in London for a long time, so have heard it a lot and just really dislike it. The autotuned type voices with the piercing flute/horn sounds, high pitched strings and similar drum beats just isnโt my thing at all. Itโs up there with happy hardcore or death metal as something I would need to turn off immediately. I know people that feel the same about DnB though, different strokes for different folks. Edit - just to add, Iโm sure there are different subgenres and Iโve heard some I didnโt mind at all, but the more common tracks I heard I didnโt like. If you have any suggestion that could change my mind let me know. A track for you if youโre curious about my DnB taste is โBcee - Is anybody out thereโ
chirpingphoenix ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:59:31 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I know what you mean - Bollywood is almost separated into soulful music (something like this or this or this, stuff most of my non-desi friends say is somewhat soothing), dance-y stuff like this or especially this which is probably what you dislike (and I don't blame you because it is both extremely abrasive to people who aren't used to it and played a lot at parties etc where you're likely to hear it more often and very loudly). Admittedly, there's a lot of other stuff (considering Bollywood music is probably the plurality, if not majority, of popular music from India, and also generally envelops stuff that isn't strictly film stuff), but I'm not a very good desi lol so I don't listen to Bollywood as much, but there's a lot of stuff that is good. If you are interested, I could whip up a half-decent Bollywood playlist after class.
Sadly there's a lot of autotune, and it's there a lot, but ยฏ\_(ใ)_/ยฏ (and lmao I hope to never have to introduce any foreigner to Bhojpuri stuff, by which I mean I kinda do just to see their face).
rishi71 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:25:00 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I know the feel bro. Bhojpuri lyrics and autotune is on another level ๐
chirpingphoenix ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:31:23 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
TIL Lollipop Lagelu is on Spotify.
rishi71 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:35:36 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Oh damn๐๐
Now don't tell me that ''ae raja raja'' is there too.
chirpingphoenix ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:53:42 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Next best thing.
rishi71 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:34:42 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I'm done๐
supermans_alter_ego ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:20:33 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Thanks for that reply. Iโm gonna go grab some lunch and Iโll check it out! Yes, definitely the more abrasive stuff is played more often lol
jnkangel ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:41:48 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Honestly I'd just like for Spotify to partner with Bandcamp
AstroturfingBot ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:54:18 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Combine that with any corporate taxes, tariffs, and smaller markets and I can kinda see why it's not available in some places.
MrRGnome ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:04:30 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
If stupid license holders aren't going to let me buy their content for a reasonable price then I'll just pirate it. I wish torrenting and platforms built on top of it would become more popular, then maybe we'd see some better availability for licenses across media.
fonikz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:45:26 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
What's the difference? Money is money and they're missing out on it regardless of the country the person lives in. There's infinite reasons to pirate music and only one to be legit: you truly wish to support the artist and distributor.
MuffyPuff ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:27:08 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah we know and it's stupid.
Tormund_HARsBane ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:39:20 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Google Play Music is in India and last I checked, Spotify was not. So licensing issues are not a problem, at least here.
Catsrules ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:43:48 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Google aka (Alphabet) is a much bigger company and can probably get different or better licensing deals then was Spotify can get.
judginurrelationship ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:47:02 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
That's not how it works. Google Play music can pay enough to completely block Spotify out of the market in your region if they want to.
universum-cerebrum ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:32:40 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
And yet Apple Music is available pretty much everywhere
Pimptastic_Brad ยท 22 points ยท Posted at 15:41:26 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Apple is Apple. They can probably just swing their fruity dick around enough and get what they want.
uniqueguy263 ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 17:07:58 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Theyโve had 15 years to get licensing issues sorted
[deleted] ยท 104 points ยท Posted at 15:18:51 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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Lewke ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:01:33 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
which is why netflix has become a media producer, spotify hasn't done jack to become a record label.
Bromlife ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 06:35:21 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I doubt they haven't looked into it. The industry has a stranglehold on the content and I wouldn't be surprised if they did this they'd drop them as a service.
Netflix can live without some movies and TV shows. People are hungry for new content on video streaming services. That's not the same for Spotify. Most people listen to their favourite music and only go music discovering when they get bored with it.
Lewke ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 08:42:38 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
So what you're saying is that Netflix wasn't a bunch of idiots who bought bulk licenses that are easily dropped. Gotcha.
Bromlife ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:55:46 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
If that's what you think I said then you're an idiot.
ItZ_Jonah ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 12:47:38 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I mean in a way they kinda are anyone can get their music put on spotify and get royaltys from plays something like .006 cents per play at the lowest end
Lewke ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:19:51 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
netflix cultivates content though, spotify is just being a distributor, not a label.
lyons4231 ยท 139 points ยท Posted at 15:02:18 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Not sure if you were just making a joke but I feel like it should be pointed out that its not the currency that is the issue, nor the location. Its copyright and media sharing laws. So don't get mad at Spotify, they would be sued if they let you use it. Get mad at those who don't allow their content to be worldwide.
cunninglinguist96 ยท 23 points ยท Posted at 20:00:24 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
This is why I listen to pitbull
gonzalolog ยท -9 points ยท Posted at 16:45:15 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
But why can't I pay with PayPal in my country or with a credit card emitted in other country
uniqueguy263 ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 17:08:31 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Copyright issues, they donโt have the rights in your country
gonzalolog ยท -11 points ยท Posted at 17:14:31 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I can't use Spotify USA from my country due that, BUT SPOTIFY EXISTS IN MY COU TRY AND PEOPLE USES IT LIKE MAIN STREAMING APP
But why I can't pay my local service with the credit card I use to pay other stuff in my country, don't they own the rights to use it? Don't they own the right of allow PayPal as payment method even if it uses the same currency? There's something wrong with that excuse
Meowtlandish ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 17:40:59 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It doesn't matter what payment types they allow. If they knowingly allow someone in a country where they don't own the media rights to use their service they will be sued.
gonzalolog ยท -12 points ยท Posted at 17:46:15 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Did I say somewhere that Spotify is not available in my country?
DvnEm ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 19:12:57 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Youโre bringing up something that deters from the original question.
Spotify ITSELF isnโt available in some countries (most likely due to Licensing and copyright reasons), so people use modded APKs and that fucks up their stats (possibly 30% of that 2 million canโt even access it in their countries)
Youโre asking why you canโt use forms of payment to pay for the service in your specific country. To answer your question, maybe fees? Who knows.
Chipotle didnโt accept a debit cards for YEARS in Ontario, Canada. It was Cash or Credit only. Most likely fees as most things are.
gonzalolog ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 19:30:44 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Then if I legitimately want to pay for the service even when I really want, why should they care if I pirate the ads, although I had to sadly chose play music
DvnEm ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:53:00 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Artist 1 tells his distributor not sell their work to anyone named Donald.
Donald wants to buy Artist 1โs work, but heโs not allowed.
Donald steals Artist 1โs painting.
The distributor is now losing money because Donald stole the painting AND now Artist 1 is pissed because the distributor basically โallowedโ this to happen
Artist 1 now decides to charge the distributor more money for the losses.
The distributor needs to now increase their service fees or get more clients.
Donald doesnโt understand agreements, licensing or contracts. He feels entitled.
Instantcretin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:09:47 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Kind of, yeah, you said โI canโt use Spotify USA due thatโ
gonzalolog ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 19:28:08 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
That's why I wrote another separated paragraph to reply to the copyright statement you did
I KNOW I CANT USE USA SPOTIFY IN MY COUNTRY
But why I can't pay with an international card for ARGENTINA SERVICE IN ARGENTINA
infam0us1 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:44:35 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Chill the fuck out dude just pay with a something from your own damn country
gonzalolog ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:53:22 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I would chill the fuck up if people weren't that fucking dumb to tell me due copyright I can't use foreign payment methods
infam0us1 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:14:00 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Because using foreign payments means that Spotify can't verify you're in a country where Spotify is allowed
gonzalolog ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:15:55 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
If I'm paying from Argentina they tell me " this card has been issued from UK, wanna change your country?" In that case they can, I think it's something related to fees
GetTheLedPaintOut ยท 25 points ยท Posted at 15:08:35 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I'm sure it's Spotify that doesn't want your money...
[deleted] ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 17:00:55 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I'm 100% sure Spotify is not actively turning down potential customers.
HertzaHaeon ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:57:14 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Blame big media companies for clinging to ancient licensing and IP laws.
We could have all the world's music a click away, but no. Gotta keep up those artificial limitations that only benefit the companies, never music fans.
elcuervo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:50:52 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It's never that simple.
gonzalolog ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:44:06 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Me: BUT IM PAYING IN DOLLARS WITH MY PP ACCOUNT, IM DOING YOU A FAVOR
Spotify: Perdon, que es un paying?
earoar ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 05:56:20 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Obviously they would if they could. Are people really dumb enough to think companies are like "oh you're trying to give us money? Fuck that"?
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 15:44:45 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
TIL here are nodded apks for Spotify to bypass a subscription
Thanks for the Streisand effect, Spotify!
pm_me_your_Yi_plays ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:50:11 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
This.
that_baddest_dude ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:30:26 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Y'all are the lucky ones. You can pirate without any moral qualms.
z_open ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:58:58 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Get a VPN. You need one anyway. Spotify works fine through a VPN. Or just pirate your music since Spotify is proprietary and DRM infested anyway.
Edit:don't mean to suggest you always pirate your music. There are ways to support musicians you like. Band camp for one
byIcee ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:59:52 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I recently switched to Google Play Music so at least I have something
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:16:19 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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jundis ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:39:18 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Only downside is the only windows desktop player is a slow open source one.
FirstEvolutionist ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:41:56 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Just use chrome portable. Works just like a player and is not that slow. It won't take a lot of RAM if you login and ONLY use the play music website.
TrendBomber ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:11:05 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You have to have an American credit card for Spotify. How's a VPN a solution to his problem ??
Turtle-Fox ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:22:56 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Privacy.com
TrendBomber ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:35:09 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Will try it but recently I've been using https://musicforworld.com/checkout.html
judginurrelationship ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:49:48 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You don't have to have an American credit card for Spotify.
polite-1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:56:25 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
No you don't. You can purchase Spotify in other countries with an International card.
EPadronU ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:14:33 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
For this exact reason I started using Deezer and I'm quite happy with it
voltagex ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:24:28 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You can also buy a voucher from a supported country - just don't buy the account itself.
TrendBomber ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:11:32 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
https://musicforworld.com/checkout.html will work and only charges 10 dollars.
byIcee ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 17:14:43 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
My country isn't even on that list...
TrendBomber ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 17:42:16 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
How?? They even have Syria on there !! Anyway plug in your credit card and see what happens. Maybe they will accept.
byIcee ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:50:57 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I live in Slovenia. Sucks sometimes
LittleDinamit ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 18:43:29 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You can make a mule PayPal account with an address from the country whose Spotify you want to pay for, transfer money into it from your main account and use a VPN just to set the Spotify account up in your browser. Then you can use Spotify without a VPN, forever, as long as you remember to transfer money into the dummy account every month.
I recommend using Canada (same price as US but in canadian dollars which are worth less) and a 15$ family account that you can then use to give Spotify to another 5 friends.
Source: Pozdrav susjed, nama je joลก gore.
tregorman ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:37:12 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Could you buy a bunch of Spotify gift cards online?
TrendBomber ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:35:44 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
They're way too expesnive.
TrendBomber ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:36:39 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Try https://privacy.com/ I've never tried it though
Kori_Rotti ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:07:50 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I wouldn't mind the ads but the shuffle only for free users made me choose the mod. Also I live in a country without Spotify. I used the original free account with VPN but the shuffle made me chose the mod version.
AfternoonPot ยท 5122 points ยท Posted at 13:43:22 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Please don't raise the subscription price.
viajoensilencio ยท 507 points ยท Posted at 16:28:18 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I think what we'll see first is them dropping the free tier entirely. There is no way they'll be able to compete with Apple Music if they raise the price. They are already bleeding iOS users to the stock music service provider : ie Apple Music
hiatus_kaiyote ยท 220 points ยท Posted at 18:49:54 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I hope they do - Unles they change their contracts to share out the royalties per user. As a premium subscriber it disappoints me that hardly any of my $14 a month goes to the artists I listen to - instead it goes to artists that people on a free plan listen to.
avataraccount ยท 271 points ยท Posted at 19:02:58 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Don't worry, very little of that $14 actually goes to musicians.
mschley2 ยท 55 points ยท Posted at 19:16:15 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Meh... If Spotify pays out the $0.006/song that I've seen other places, then all of the $2.50 I pay per month ($15 family plan with 6 users) goes to artists, and quite a bit more.
The breakeven at those rates is only about 28 hours of music, and I blow past that in the average month.
raptir1 ยท 57 points ยท Posted at 20:02:28 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Most of it goes to record execs.
Raminios ยท 35 points ยท Posted at 21:22:57 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Is that not the case with the vast majority of media providers though? Unless you're buying direct on indie sites or cds at gigs that is.
raptir1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:12:37 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, I was just explaining what I thought avataraccount meant.
mschley2 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 20:08:11 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Ahh, yeah. No, that makes sense. I was thinking that they were saying most of the money stays at Spotify.
Comrade_Bender ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 22:29:42 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
No, Spotify is barely profitable as it is. Something like 70% of their income goes right back out to record labels.
C4H8N8O8 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:34:19 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
which also pay the artists .
Saftkalaset ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 22:10:21 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
If i read their annual report correctly 70% of revenue goes to paying royalites to aritists and their record labels. Which i would say is a lot..
Kn0thingIsTerrible ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:48:40 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Thatโs not Spotifyโs fault. They didnโt do anything wrong.
matthieuC ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:08:42 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Why would you give music money to musicians ? You don't make any sense
Chewcocca ยท 33 points ยท Posted at 19:13:24 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
What a bizarre thing to be disappointed about. You aren't buying an album from an artist. You're buying a service from Spotify. Spotify pays their bills.
Are you disappointed when they pay their plumber? Or the rent on their offices?
If you want to buy an album from an artist, go do it. No one is stopping you from giving them money. It kinda seems like you feel guilty that you don't, and you're trying to blame someone else for it.
hiatus_kaiyote ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:56:53 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It's a fair cop - I went from buying 10 albums a month on CD to zero and a Spotify subscription. I can't really justify CDs any more. I guess that money I saved partly goes to gigs tickets now, but it's noticeable how much more concert tickets cost in last 5 years.
Isaac331 ยท -8 points ยท Posted at 19:46:29 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
He is trying to be feel righteous, pay for a concert, pay for a disc, meanwhile i'll be using my modded version of spotify.
hiatus_kaiyote ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 20:06:49 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
More elitist that righteous - I want the (admittedly shitty) royalties from my subscription to go to the bands I listen to not Justin Beiber.
Isaac331 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:27:47 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
That is not being elitist, elitist is what you said about free users not the thing about the royalties going to the artist you support.
Anyway. If you want to ensure the artist get your proceeds maybe buy their merch, concerts etc?
Mokkurkalfi ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:55:26 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
If you want your artists to get money, buy their albums and merch. There's a very simple solution to the problem you just described, and it existed before Spotify decided to kill the income of anyone less popular than Ed Sheeran.
concavecat ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 19:24:39 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Is this the legit Reddit account for Hiatus Kaiyote? If so I love your work!
hiatus_kaiyote ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:54:31 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Haha no - just a fan
RobotPuppy ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:56:52 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Me too! I sure would like to see them live. Doesn't seem like they come to the states much
slurpwaffl ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:56:28 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
14$ wtf I thought it's 10 and 5 w hulu
hiatus_kaiyote ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:08:08 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
ยฃ10 here (=$14). Costs more for not being in the US
slurpwaffl ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:10:54 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
lol what an L
almost_useless ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:58:58 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Well, the artists you listen to are partly paid with money from ads for the free users.
But I suspect not enough to compensate...
NVRLand ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:01:23 on March 26, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
A huge part of Spotify is the belief that it's more effective to attract free users and then turn them into premium rather than only offering premium accounts. They might further limit the free accounts however.
eviktion ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:36:12 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Same, I'm paying for myself and my friends on our family plan, not for millions of fuckers to suppress ads. It's been long enough, people know what Spotify is and what they have. Pay for it or fuck off is my opinion. We've been given a way to avoid piracy, so let's do it?
0rAX0 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 19:21:05 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
That would be a nightmare for me as I'm using Spotify in an unsuported country, I tried paying for premium but it wouldn't let me, if they move to a subscription-only model without openning up to the rest of us it would be stupid, at least I try to help with not blocking their ads when it applies.
PointyOintment ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 21:04:37 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You aren't supposed to be able to access it at all, so why do you expect them to let you continue accessing it? The reason your country is unsupported isn't that Spotify doesn't want to receive money from you; it's that Spotify isn't allowed to allow you to hear music.
0rAX0 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 21:17:33 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not expecting them to do anything, it's just that Spotify is convenient for me and I want to support it and the artists I listen to, if they don't want that (anymore) there are a million ways to get what I want.
[deleted] ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 18:48:17 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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joshdts ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 19:18:09 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Iโve been crafting a digital music library since Napster and with Apple Music it seamlessly syncs to my phone/iPad/laptop/Apple TV. I tried a month of Spotify and adding things to my library there maxed me out by the time I hit F going alphabetically.
Yes, Spotify has better playlists and discover features, by having my library was the most important.
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 19:28:23 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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veRGe1421 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 22:34:31 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Google music has no limit at all, and for free you can upload 50k songs too. I much prefer Spotify's playlist abilities though, and their app. UI.
joshdts ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 19:36:24 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah. I think its 10k for how many songs you can save to โYour Musicโ. So if youโre adding full albums that adds up pretty quick. Apple Music is 100k.
stcareca ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:04:56 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You can have 3.333 songs per device, up to three devices (10k songs)
patrickfatrick ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 18:57:50 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I've used both and like Apple Music better. ยฏ\_(ใ)_/ยฏ
Henenzzzzzzzzzz ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 19:10:08 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
But why?
mschley2 ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 19:17:43 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
-significant portion of the users of any Apple product.
Henenzzzzzzzzzz ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:43:57 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It's like saying the gameboy just works. I mean why would you ever need anything else to play games on?
[deleted] ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 19:15:11 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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pudds ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 19:19:27 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Spotify doesn't have ads either if you're paying for it. Are you getting Apple Music for free?
[deleted] ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 19:43:19 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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dabeville ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 19:47:45 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You can download for offline listening on Spotify.
pudds ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 20:30:26 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The same, but don't undersell the cross-platform element either. My wife and I can both use Spotify under one family account even though she has iOS and I have Android, and we can also listen on our Fire TV.
Valetorix ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 19:47:39 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Spotify allows you to download music to play without data use if you're a premium member.
[deleted] ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 20:04:38 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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Valetorix ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:08:17 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Lol I think the biggest pull to Apple music is the ease of use with Apple devices. But that's most things apple.
cocobandicoot ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:30:03 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Biggest music library.
Henenzzzzzzzzzz ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:42:21 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Deezer or amazon prime both have bigger librarys than apple music as well as spotify but not by as much. source
patrickfatrick ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:49:43 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I like the playlists, I like several programs on Beats1, I don't really care about the social aspects of Spotify, I like the UI compared with Spotify, I like that it works with Siri on my phone and my Apple TV. You probably get the sense that I'm very much connected to the Apple ecosystem, which is true, and which definitely plays a part. I'd probably feel differently if I were Alexa on a daily basis instead.
PointyOintment ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:03:26 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I have only used iTunes with a local library, so I don't know if this is also true of Apple Music, but iTunes is vastly superior to Spotify in terms of features. Smart playlists, editing song info, rating songs with stars (even half-stars if you use the hidden setting), Genius (though Spotify has similar features), etc. The only thing I was unhappy with was that they removed iTunes DJ (formerly known as Party Shuffle).
luigikiller1000 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:26:42 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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WhatsAEuphonium ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 19:50:07 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
This is pretty misleading. Yes, you can rip a CD to iTunes and convert it to Apple Lossless (ALAC), but music downloaded straight from the iTunes store is only 256Kbps AAC.
TheMullHawk ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:44:06 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Is this true for the app, or just on the computer?
itsfinn ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:45:43 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The app is high quality too.
luigikiller1000 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:48:20 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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DefectiveDetective ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:25:57 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I would. It's barely lower quality than lossless.
luigikiller1000 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:27:00 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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DefectiveDetective ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 00:27:27 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The scale of bitrate to sound quality is not linear. The difference between 320 and lossless is very difficult to hear on most tracks, even with high quality audio equipment. If you think otherwise you're just fooling yourself. There are plenty of tests online where you can try to hear the difference.
luigikiller1000 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 00:28:14 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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1212121212121212127 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:21:07 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
That'll be the day I'll start downloading music again.
I dropped music piracy the day I started using Spotify.
Knew_Religion ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:57:00 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
My shuffle feature on my mobile app (free) has gone from rotating ~50 of my 600 song playlist to rotating 5 in the last week or so. It's infuriating. I've stopped using Spotify. I don't skip ads.
Rivus ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:49:19 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I see people complaining a lot about the free tier. My question is, if you use it often enough for it to become a nuisance, why don't you just buy it?
Idk what the prices are in your country, but I'm paying 9.99 euros. Which is 6 coffees roughly.
Edit: 9.99 instead of 12
Knew_Religion ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:02:31 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I'm that poor. Plus, it bombards you with ads about every three songs. Now it's virtually unusable. I'm just going to go back to using Pandora.
danhakimi ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:06:10 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
No, they'll just limit the free tier more. They might remove the play-any-song aspect from desktop -- that one's always been pretty unbelievable.
UnknownX20X ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:32:58 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
That's a great way of getting me to just stop using Spotify.
danhakimi ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 21:43:35 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Oh yeah, but it's not like removing the free tier will get you excited about it.
diablofreak ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:56:22 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah i use Google music on the phone. And even on the echo just Amazon prime gets you ad free music. I know it's not the same as their full featured subscription service but for the echo I don't really care
onefiftyonebitch ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:47:35 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I donโt really think thatโs true. Spotify has a much better user experience than Apple Music despite the Siri integration. Everyone I know on iOS uses Spotify, not Apple Music.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:19:38 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I wouldn't be surprised if Spotify is bought by another company if the licences are transferrable. Maybe Netflix buying them out, offering a combo deal with Spotify and Netflix, heck and maybe sponsor 'original content' for Spotify so then musicians can avoid the current music structure entirely so then both Spotify and the artist get a better cut of the revenue with the record companies getting nothing.
masterofdisaster93 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:04:38 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Apple is playing dirty to win the game though. If Spotify drops free subs, we can thank Apple for pushing that.
cocobandicoot ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:30:44 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Nah, you can thank you and your friends for blocking ads on Spotify. Don't blame Apple when the blame goes on people stealing.
masterofdisaster93 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 20:35:29 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Except I don't have Spotify Free; I have Spotify Premium, and have had it for a decade (I had it before you even had heard about Spotify). And even if I did, you have no reason to assume I'm blocking ads...seriously, what is your problem?
The fact of the matter is that Apple secretly met with recording companies and tried to persuade them to disallow free subscription for music services; purposefully to damage Spotify. They even asked for higher royalties for artists; they know that even if they have a minus profit, they can make up for it by everything else they earn money on. But Spotify, whose entire business is based on music streaming, can't. So they are trying to bleed them dry.
Then there's the fact that Spotify has to pay Apple 30% royalties, whenever somebody renews Spoify subscription in-app on iOS --which forces Spotify to put a $13 price tag for those people, instead of $9.99. This gives Apple Music and uneven and unfair upperhand over everybody else.
It's dirty tactics. Pure and simple.
PointyOintment ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 21:08:34 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Could Spotify sue Apple for anti-competitive practices? (That would really mess up Apple's "we take a cut of all purchases" thing, but the court won't care about that.) This reminds me of when Europe made Microsoft stop bundling only Internet Explorer with Windows.
masterofdisaster93 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:31:57 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
They have in Europe. Currently it's under investigation.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:14:20 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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PointyOintment ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:05:48 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Free has ads.
mrcrassic ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 22:26:25 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
On it surface, this sounds like an antitrust violation.
DDeadRoses ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 21:09:54 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Do you think people have Apple Music more than Spotify because iPhone directly implement such a music service on their phone vs. finding it on the App Store? I feel adults who arenโt as tech savvy just fall into that trap. I had both apps and despised Apple Music a lot more than Spotify.
[deleted] ยท 1039 points ยท Posted at 14:01:54 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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Mako_ ยท 1844 points ยท Posted at 14:47:49 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I may listen to 30 different albums/lists in a month using Spotify. No way I'm buying all those CDs and ripping them. People pay $10 a month for the convenience.
Curly4Jefferson ยท 1131 points ยท Posted at 15:35:46 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I've had Spotify premium for five years almost. I don't think the money I've paid for those five years of subscriptions would cover the cost of the music I currently have offline, much less everything in my library. And it's a hell of a lot easier than pirating. Plus, the weekly discovery playlist and new releases page constantly have me adding songs to my playlists. I really wouldn't look for new music without it.
sludj ยท 424 points ยท Posted at 15:55:29 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Same. And as an artist who just got on Spotify, thank you. They pay us pennies, but I've found so much new music through the app. Monthly cost is more than worth it.
TijM ยท 199 points ยท Posted at 16:22:05 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
If the post gets you down, remember I now find artists on Spotify the way I used to find them on YouTube or the pirate bay. I'm not big on buying albums as I only really play them on my phone but if an artist I like is playing close by I'll go. Spotify even tells me when some artists come visit, though I'm not sure if this works for smaller artists. It might also just be that the artists I like tend not to visit around here all that often or are dead.
Andrei56 ยท 53 points ยท Posted at 16:44:38 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Well for me spotify sends me notifications to tell me that an artist i enjoy is playing near by. In Paris. I live 400km away from Paris. This annoys me every time now.
EarlOfMinorVictories ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 18:09:48 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Having moved from Paris to the US, the sense of distance (and the density of concerts, sadly) here is very different - people outside of the 10 biggest cities are definitely going to have to drive more than 400km to go to some concerts! As Spotify is probably tailored to North America, it makes sense that it would alert you then
Jumpman81818 ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 19:19:40 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Well, it's a company based in Sweden, so I'm not sure that it is tailored to North America.
HeilHilter ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 18:34:56 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
But 400km is roughly 250 miles, isn't that far at all. Thats like a 3ish hour drive.
esnesnoNoN ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 18:43:17 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
How fast are you driving?
vanillastarfish ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 18:52:23 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
400km/3hours = 133km or 83miles per hour.
Not sure if other countries top speeds but Australia is generally 100km/h or about 63 mph. Which would take 4 hours
esnesnoNoN ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:05:04 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I was going to say the fastest speed I recall ever seeing is 75mph/120kph, and that was on a highway in the middle of flat nowhere.
mschley2 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:21:24 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Some rural states in the US have an 80mph speed limit on interstates.
TabMuncher2015 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:15:33 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
IIRC some rural highways literally don't have a posted speed limit...
edit: was a bit off, but considering I was recalling info from a 5th grade assignment I'm gonna let it slide lol. Here's what google had to say.
mschley2 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:39:26 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
If it makes you feel better, I'm pretty sure that Montana had no speed limit for a while. So you might have actually been remembering that correctly.
TabMuncher2015 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:53:44 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
That does make me feel better :)
Have a wonderful, delightful, fun-filled day!
wileythemole ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:25:17 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
A lot of highways in Texas have moved up to 75mph. Cities tend to be slower, but not all that much.
TabMuncher2015 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:18:07 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Fun fact copy/pasted from another comment
IWannaGIF ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:07:40 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I usually do between 70-80 on i80 toward Chicago or i40 toward Nashville. I drive them frequently.
HeilHilter ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:25:39 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yes
Toadxx ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 19:07:14 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Americans generally have a more normalized view of long driving distances compared to Europeans. We can drive a few hours and never leave our state- you can cross multiple countries in Europe in the same time.
Tijdreiziger ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 11:57:17 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Ganoobed ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 19:19:58 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
As an American, I scoffed at this. Definitely drive an average of 150miles or so per concert, and I see an average of 1 a month
Andrei56 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:44:23 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Well 250 miles is a third of the country for us :)
Ganoobed ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:18:13 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Oh I know! And I don't blame you one bit. It always just throws me off a bit. I could drive 800km and still be in the same stateโฆ and I'm not even in a very large state!
veRGe1421 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:38:32 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I can drive for 10 hours (at your typical 70mph) and still be in the same state ๐ lol it gets old after 4-5 hours though, wouldn't recommend it.
NormGreen ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 16:27:17 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Pretty sure it should work for any artists, even if theyโre smaller, but it really only looks in your city and not even other cities that are just a couple of hours away.
JayandSilentB0b ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 17:14:08 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Does it take smaller venues into consideration at all? Some artists I like might not play the popular venues when passing through town and I've missed seeing a few because the venues simply weren't on my radar
PharmKB ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 18:56:52 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You ever tried Bandsintown? I missed a ton of shows at smaller venues before I followed the bands I like on there. I've gotten in on some presales for cheaper tickets, too.
OlmoMcGurk ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:15:58 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
For me it recommends always concerts in other cities a few hours away. Could be because here in switzerland big cities are closer together.
NormGreen ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:19:56 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Haha, probably. I live in Austin and it wonโt even recommend concerts in San Antonio to me which is only about 90 minutes away
buttwipe_Patoose ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:10:32 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The only reason I moved from Spotify to Tidal was because Tidal actually streams lossless. I spent a good chunk of change on my sound system & my headphones and I want the best streaming quality.
However, Tidal's apps are terrible. I love that they offered actual masters on their website, but their software is basically unusable.
I wish Spotify/Google Music offered 'lossless.' I know Spotify "has plans to offer it at some point," but I"m not holding my breath.
EKomadori ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:41:49 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I almost exclusively listen to music on Spotify, but I buy digital albums from artists I like (and subscribe through Patreon for a few). I never even download the music, I just by to support them beyond what they get from Spotify.
Mclean_Tom_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:18:03 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Spotify radio does a decent job at finding new people, at least that's what I use it for
TijM ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:29:28 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Spotify radio is pretty good, as are some of the suggested playlists. It's not all gold but they're worth checking out.
derkrieger ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:44:50 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Spotify is actually how I learned about Sabaton coming to my town so I jumped at the chance to go see them in person. I like music but I couldnt afford to buy every CD I might want to listen to a few songs on plus my taste change rapidy in what I want to listen to at any time. Any bands I continiously go back to I often will buy their music simply because I want it on my phone and PC without having to worry about Spotify losing their deal with them or me not subscribing for a bit. Netflix is the same way for me, if I really like something I am going to go buy it, like Always Sunny in Philadelphia which was pulled from Netflix. Luckily it is still on Hulu which I also have but I can watch the show literally anywhere, Internet availability be damned because I have the DVDs.
BurlysFinest802 ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 18:41:42 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
If this post gets you in high spirits remember we are on r/spotify. We are in the golden age of mass playlist youtube>mp3/mp4 rippers, torrents, .iso files, transfers entire itunes library from friend to friend, uploading iphone's music from phone to pc. Fuck paying for music
TijM ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:13:56 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
We're not, though. Also I don't really mind paying for music, but I'd like to pay the artist instead of some old dudes in suits.
Daqygdog ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:15:46 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
What time of music do you do? I'm down to listen to anything once
sludj ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:42:52 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Rock stuff. I play guitar. Band is Horus Maze ! I'd love it if you took a listen.
Daqygdog ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:49:33 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Cool I'll check it out later today
innardpiece ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:19:16 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Only 2 songs?
sludj ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:28:39 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
More on the way very soon!
Alexstatic ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:34:59 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Just remember to use Spotify to get your name out, not as the sole source of income lol
DeadlyClowns ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:21:33 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Can confirm... my first month on Spotify I earned literally pennies haha
HEBushido ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:36:50 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The good thing for you is that spotify can get people to notice you and then see you live. There are numerous bands I never would have seen in concert without spotify.
mikehoncho99 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:22:46 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
What's your band so Reddit can get you more pennies?
sludj ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:45:06 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
posted this somewhere else, but my band is Horus Maze. I think we write pretty catchy stuff.
ChadFlenderman ยท 29 points ยท Posted at 15:47:03 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Oddly enough, I had a dream recently where Spotify ceased to exist all of a sudden and it wasn't until that dream that I fully appreciated Spotify. The daily mixes really are amazing and my playlists are pretty rad. I would be so bummed without it.
Edit: grammar
Nougat ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 16:06:03 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I had a dream recently that I was banging Alison Brie, which was nice.
LegendaryRaider69 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:37:30 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Dope.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:55:06 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Can... Can I be in your dream? I could just watch, I'm ok with that. Maybe if you get tired I can take over? If you're cool with that....
robeph ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:14:23 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I had the same dream, except in mine she didn't have such a weak chin
alamaias ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:27:15 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I sadly hate the daily mixes, all the songs they group together are too close in sound. I need the variety or it starts to become annoying :( If i could merge all the daily lists into one superlist that would be pretty cool.
ChadFlenderman ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:32:27 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Agreed. But it's better than it used to be and I can only imagine that it will keep progressing. It's still a pretty new feature relatively speaking so I'm sure they'll work it out.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:52:13 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
all of the sudden
VivisClone ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 16:23:00 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I mean going to a streaming service would be easier than pirating, But I do feel like Pirating is much, much easier, than acquiring the disc ripping it, and making sure it's in a proper format for your audioplayer of choice.
arahman81 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 18:18:02 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
If the player doesn't support FLAC, its junk.
And you can convert FLAC to mp3 easily.
robeph ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:15:35 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Disc requires my PC has a disc drive. It doesn't. Hasn't in 4 years.
barretp ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:56:37 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
How is it a lot easier than pirating? Pirating is not really that hard.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:41:20 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Pirating a library and having it available everywhere is though. I can add a new album in work, play it on my PS4 that evening.
barretp ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:47:31 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You could also plug whatever device has the music into your PS4/ computer or whatever and play it that way
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:48:55 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
That isnโt more convenient.. just cheaper.
DietMtnDewAddict ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:16:02 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Agreed. Also, Spotify is easier and more flexible than even iTunes or any other music service.
synthanasia ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:25:15 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Spotify premium is the only way to go. I used to have Sirius and thought it was great. Except I only listened to what channels and it was what they were playing not really what I wanted to hear. I love the fact that Spotify builds yoy playlists that are actually good too
AccidentalConception ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:33:50 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You don't really have any music offline, You have all those encrypyed files that'll be completely useless in the case of Spotify going under/changing how they operate/removing songs from their platform/you cancelling for any reason?
I agree Spotify is amazing value, but there's something to be said for actually owning the media.
SwiftbutnotTaylor ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:12:50 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
SERIOUSLY! SPOTIFY IS THE SMARTEST MUSIC APP AVAILABLE! everything you said is true! There's absolutely no reason not to pay for Spotify if you listen to music on daily basis.
cbabbx ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:25:02 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Spotify is the reason I stopped pirating music. I got around 60gb of music and uploaded it all to Google's music service. I eventually got tired of having to wait for a decent copy of the song (lots of low bitrate rips falsely 320) and then having to upload them. Not worth the hassle. $10 a month for a long the music you want.
While Google's service works on my home, phone, Chromecast and computer, it deosnt work on the PS4 while gaming. Spotify has an app on the PS4 where I can listen to my preferred music instead.
I've tried Google's subscription. While YT Red + Music for $10 is a great deal, the algorithms for music Discovery suck and the UI is bad. If Spotify ever does fail, Google would need to out a whole lot of effort into their music service.
PM_ME_YOUR_JELLIES ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:45:33 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Same. I love the discovery functions on there. But I hate how they called the maximum offline downloads at 3,333.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:44:51 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I feel the heavy listeners make a minority though, a lot of people listening to the same albums.
alrightknight ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:04:48 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I feel like not many people really listen to whole albums in the first place.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:28:51 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Well, same playlists..
_paramedic ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:46:25 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I have over 1900 songs saved. Yes, I have listened to all of them.
Myotherdumbname ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:00:50 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Makes sense unless you want to own the music. You stop paying, that music is gone.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:22:19 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You must be me, because that's exactly how I feel. I left pirating behind because Spotify did an even better job. The only downside is not being able to get the occasional song, such as from SoundCloud.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:57:15 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Not only do I learn about new artists but Spotify lets me know when there are shows in my area so I can support them that way.
devilinblue22 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:43:32 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Man. I feel like ive gotten my moneys worth and I haven't even touched the weeklies or making playlists.
snakebite_leather ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:07:35 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Ive paid for 5 years, I really dont listen to THAT much but its convenience to listen to new stuff. The suggested songs at the end of a playlist are also pretty good suggestions now which I like. Spotify is a great product and offer and so cheap its a no brainer. Im someone who doesnt pay for netflicks so probably a harder consumer to convert to a sale. I paid because I was sick of ads.
FakeNameDude ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:59:05 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
This
The_Tightest_Anus ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:04:30 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Same, absolutely love Spotify, I'll keep paying but let's not get crazy with the price.
[deleted] ยท 102 points ยท Posted at 15:42:41 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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headbanger1186 ยท 48 points ยท Posted at 18:00:33 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I honestly thought I was in the minority and probably am with owning a GPM sub over Spotify but it has just about everything I could get from Spotify with the Red treatment so I've been a loyal subscriber for years.
specialguests ยท 32 points ยท Posted at 18:43:41 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Oddly enough I have both and I describe google music as spotify without the soul. Sure it is technically all there and even has some extra capabilities, but their playlists are hot garbage compared to spotify. It sounds corny, but you really don't experience music in the same way. I discover way more music on spotify even though I use Google music way more. (Spotify is blocked at my office). The yt red is amazing though. And the integration with all my google apps and my android is nice.
echo-ghost ยท 23 points ยท Posted at 18:56:06 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
then you probably aren't using radio, use radio. it mixes a playlist together from an artist/track you like with other things that are similar.
Roku6Kaemon ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 20:01:42 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The Google radio was always way better for me than Spotify radio has ever been.
specialguests ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:45:12 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I use radio all the time. It just isn't as good imo. But you do have a point in that people utilize these apps in different ways and therefore will have different experiences.
TheFarmingBunny ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:40:45 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
like soundcloud?
The_Incredulous_Hulk ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:09:16 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
My problem with the station portion of Google Music is that I download it when I'm at home on Wi-Fi to save bandwidth. So I find a station that I like & download it. Then I listen to the downloaded station at work & it's only like 25-30 songs randomized. I get home & then it automatically updates that station, so I think, "great...I'll get more songs that I'll like added to that station." Nope it's just 25-30 different songs, the ones I listened to yesterday are gone.
echo-ghost ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 12:06:52 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
yeah that's dumb but i can actually help with that.
use the website to play a station (might also work with mobile haven't checked), open the play queue and scroll down to the bottom, play the last track in the queue. it'll queue up another 25
repeat that 10 times or so and have a play queue of 200-300 tracks. hit save and you'll have a playlist saved that you can download, with all those tracks
RTaynn ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:00:00 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It's a radio station, imagine it's an AM FM station. GPM only queues about 30 songs at a time so you can skip or go back or save a song you liked. If you download the queue at any time you can always access it.
Comrade_Bender ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:36:10 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You're right. I used to have Spotify but switched to GPM because the shuffle feature on Spotify is absolute trash (had the same song off the same album play 3 times in a row when shuffling the entire catalog of a band that's been making music for over 30 years once). GPMs suggestions are atrocious. 99% of the "recommended new releases" are for genres I don't listen to.
"I see you listened to half a song from one random artist out of curiosity....looks like you'll want to see nothing but their similar artists showing up for the next 8 months"
I'm not sure whats more frustrating: GPMs suggestions, or Spotifys shuffle problems.
Frankly, I haven't really found many new artists since switching to GPM, but when I was on Spotify my library grew exponentially. I'm actually seriously considering switching back to Spotify tbh.
YT Red is incredible though and is probably the only thing really keeping me on GPM
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:39:23 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
What does YouTube Red do?
I know it gets rid of ads, but adblock already does that. Is that it?
-Qin- ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 19:58:19 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You get access to exclusive YT Red shows (useless) and you can close the app/turn off your screen and it'll keep playing on mobile. You can also download YouTube videos on mobile to play offline.
I'm sure there are a few more things, but those are the ones that stand out the most to me.
specialguests ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 20:41:46 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You can download to watch on the go and you can play music videos in the background on your phone. It also pays creators. The no ads is amazing for an office setting since I am not allowed any plugins.
ceeceea ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:57:48 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
For me, it's useful because I tend to watch Youtube on my TV via my Chromecast, and adblockers don't work with that. Also, I like that it pays all the people I watch, not just the ones the ad companies like.
psuerkdextre ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:03:41 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The GPM app is total ass. That is my main issue with the service tbh.
RTaynn ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:01:45 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Check out the desktop player.
robotnikman ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:34:35 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I've had GPM ever since it first came out. Switched from Spotify after seeing how they kept screwing over Android users by giving iOS users all the new features first.
hsilman ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:03:33 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I love GPM. Also, for edification, they supposedly pay the most to artists for streaming, and audiophiles agree that they are one of the highest quality services(makes a bit of difference with my nice headphones, but I'm not really all about that anyway)
Iustis ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:40:34 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I used to have it, but switched for the student spotify/hulu subscription. Once that runs out I'll switch back to GPM.
A big plus to that is finally Hulu will take my money and let me pay $4 more for ad-free (they don't let you upgrade the student deal).
TheTaoOfBill ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 18:01:04 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I'm kinda shocked that I don't see Google advertising more that Google music comes with YouTube red.
Like I wanted YouTube red but never could justify the price. But as soon as I realized it came with Google music which is roughly the same price as Spotify I didn't even hesitate to switch. Spotify can't compete with that.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:46:03 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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frohb ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:20:57 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The GPM client is embarrassing in how feature-less it is. As a subscriber, it really makes me angry. You can't even put podcasts in a playlist. Just pathetic.
AlwaysDefenestrated ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:17:19 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah I just use a different app for podcasts.
ThatOnePerson ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:16:39 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I don't even bother ripping off YouTube anymore. There's a youTube music app and I just use that
BaBaBrandon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:56:20 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I signed up when it was early access and still paying 7 dollars a month
TheJeremyP ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:21:37 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Do you mean 8 dollars? I signed up during that period and it's $7.99.
blacksapphire08 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:31:47 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Lol im not giving youtube money to watch content someone else made. I only disable my ad blocker for subscribed channels so they get paid.
turtlebait2 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:35:50 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Are there many albums you can't get digitally via streaming but you can get physically?
I have not found that to be true, I find that some things are on bandcamp but not streaming, but most all physicals are available online.
alienwraith ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 17:10:02 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
There seem to be certain artists that I can't find streaming at all.. so, being able to upload them to GPM is pretty sweet
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 17:46:15 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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RetroGradeReturn ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:01:53 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I though one of the benefits of youtube red was being able to play the youtube app in the background? Must have been mistaken then.
jbeenk ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:05:13 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
No, it is included. I minimize and play in the background all the time.
CapitanBanhammer ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:53:58 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I know that for some reason they are missing like 5 of captain tractor's albums and also all of tool on both Spotify and GPM
echo-ghost ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:57:47 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
if you like older stuff, or stuff from other countries, especially both then yeah - 95% of it isn't available digitally at all.
WTFDOITYPEHERE ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:21:29 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yep. I have Google play family plan so all my family gets no ads on YouTube and great music streaming. Well worth the price
FlipTheFalcon ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 18:24:58 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The longer you have a Spotify subscription, the less cost effective it is. That first month you're paying 10 bucks to stream $150 worth of CDs. But what about in a year? 2 years? You're paying to listen to the same stuff that you could have bought outright for cheaper, all while spending money on data.
[deleted] ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 19:44:18 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
But I listen to new stuff weekly. Even at one new album a month I'm winning, and pre-piracy days I'd have bought a lot more than one album a month.
neverbeaten ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 19:46:49 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
That's true if you never listen to new music. I'd spend way more than $20/mo on CDs back in the day. Subscribing to GPM is saving me lots of cash over the long term.
dabasedabase ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:28:14 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I was just having this very thought. But you are paying for the ease of it. I use it pretty much everyday at work and walks sometimes at home. I probably add like 3 songs or more a week on average usually from different albums so. You figure a buck per song equals like 15$ a month so I'm saving five bucks per month if I'm going legal route.
Moldy_pirate ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:21:20 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
What? No.
If I find one new album a month, it pays for itself. I usually find 4 or 5 a week, though. Thereโs so much music out there, and the recommendation algorithms are mostly on point. Yes, I have my mainstays, but even then I would have to have the subscription for a decade before it equaled paying for those albums individually.
FlipTheFalcon ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:38:39 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
An entire album? Or a new song every month?
You don't need to buy an album just to listen to one song anymore.
Moldy_pirate ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:07:07 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I prefer the experience of an album as a whole piece of art. That doesnโt necessarily apply to every genre or artist obviously, but if i only like one or two songs by an artist or off an album, youโre right that I likely wonโt be buying it (or the individual songs for that matter).
So, yup. I find multiple new albums that I like on a very regular basis, but I spend 10 hrs a day listening to music at work plus more at home . I can see how somebody whoโs more passive wouldnโt see the value in the service that I do, and thatโs totally fine.
IthiQQ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:45:17 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I've had spotify since 2011 and my library still grows linearly. Spotify has plenty of features for discovery, which keeps it interesting, and human nature ensures the desire for a fresh sound.
OK_Soda ยท 41 points ยท Posted at 15:52:48 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Even if CDs were free, I'd still pay for Spotify. I remember what it was like having to rip CDs and transfer them to an iPod or phone, which had to be constantly upgraded to carry more and more files, and had to be constantly charged if I wanted to listen to them anywhere other than my home computer.
ChristmasTreeCrota ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 16:32:42 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You dont find streaming music eats thru your battery?
darth-vayda ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 16:34:59 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You can download playlists for offline listening!
ChristmasTreeCrota ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 16:43:11 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yes i am aware, but i dont see the point in doing that, ill just drag and drop my own files.
[deleted] ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 17:04:55 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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ChristmasTreeCrota ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:10:38 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I understand the point you are trying to make, and you do have a valid point. However thats not the situation i am describing as all my songs are already on my harddrive.
biznatch11 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 18:10:30 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
That works fine if you have every song you're ever going to want to listen to already on your hard drive. I stopped buying and downloading (pirating) music once I started paying for Google Play Music. The other advantage is you can get new music onto your phone from anywhere, you don't have to be at home where your files are.
psuerkdextre ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:05:49 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Even so, saving a playlist on Spotify is just a couple of taps. Doing what you describe requires me to interact with my computer, and plug in or transfer files from it to my phone. Just more stuff that becomes a pain in the ass when you listen to a lot of new music everyday.
OK_Soda ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:56:49 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Once I get to work I can just use Spotify on my computer. Back in the day, if I wanted to listen to music at work, I had to load everything on my iPod and listen through that. I guess nowadays you can sync things on Google Music or Dropbox or something, but Google Music sucks and why pay for extra storage in Dropbox when I can just pay for Spotify?
ChristmasTreeCrota ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:05:40 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah i cant deny the desktop client is pretty handy for situations like that. Plus by copy and pasting a couple lines, you can get rid of ads on desktop as well.
SiriusC ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:52:16 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It's not this complicated. Most Android phones have expandable memory. I've kept my music on the same microSD card for 2-3 years now. Then Amazon has an auto-rip feature that I like. And I actually kind of like the process of ripping & uploading. I'm curating art, in a way.
Also, you can always just stream your collection on Google Play for free. Though I've done that less & less due to the constant solicitation to purchase premium.
Disorderly428 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:59:41 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I feel the same way. I pirated music before Spotify came out.
Spotify combines a great mobile app, a huge library, music recommendations and concert notifications. I haven't found an alternative that does even 1 of those things better. Although google play music is nice because you get youtube red for free.
veRGe1421 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:41:23 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I love Spotify, but being limited for no damn reason as a premium/paying user to 3.3k offline songs on my device and 10k songs total in the library is super annoying. Absolutely no reason for that, and I wish they were like Google music and let me have however many I damn well please saved to my music or downloaded to my device.
n0th1ng_r3al ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:52:29 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It's convince. You can transfer everything to an iPod, depending on how much music you have that can take forever, plus you still need to make playlists, which in iTunes can suck because it's not intuitive.
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tomegranate ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:11:10 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
But on an iPod I can't look up old obscure music that I don't own, so... no thanks.
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tomegranate ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:20:19 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I already have a music library that I built up over about 20 years, but organising it or expanding it further with music I don't already own takes more money, and time I could spend doing other things. Perhaps you have more free time than me.
It is trivially easy to save music from Spotify onto my phone in case of losing signal - easier than copying it from a computer onto an iPod, in fact.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:21:40 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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tomegranate ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 16:29:32 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Jeez, I didn't say it was hard, I said saving songs on Spotify is easier. To get new music onto my phone from Spotify, I don't need to: Switch on my laptop, wait for windows to load, wait for iTunes to load, find and select the songs I want, plug in a USB cable, wait for iPod to connect to iTunes, wait while the songs transfer, click to disconnect, wait for it to be safe to disconnect, unplug the cable, then close iTunes and switch off my laptop. I do not miss this process at all!
KnaxxLive ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:14:41 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah but you can take far less initiative and get way more...
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:22:09 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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JohnnyRedHot ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:34:42 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
And I'm fine by that. I'll have my music library in my external hdd just in case, but I can't be bothered to transfer 150gb of music into my phone.
OK_Soda ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:25:28 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Sure I'll just hop into my time machine and travel back to a time when iPods were relevant and get one there.
alamaias ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:25:47 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I pay the subscription to get music suggestions. I have no idea how people find out about new music otherwise
Reus958 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:56:00 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I use a free pandora account and YouTube, personally. Amazon music is there too, but not the best.
alamaias ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:38:35 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I recently learned that amazon music exists, I have prime so am going to look into it. Not tried pandora yet, is there an app? Never listen to music at home really
Reus958 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:44:41 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, that's what I listen to for the most part. It's pretty good at finding related songs for you, but you can't make playlists with a free account.
Impetus_ ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:16:18 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yup, I've had spotify premium since 2012 and don't regret it one bit. That would equate to ~$720 spent. Google says that the average CD costs about $17. That means I have enough for 42 albums. I have double that saved on Spotify, and that's not counting all the playlists I make and follow.
Music is such a big part of our lives that I find it crazy not to invest 33 cents a day for a platform that puts everything in one place. I'm not going back to my teen years on BitTorrent/Limewire and waiting ages to download and sort/rename all my music..
melikefood123 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:07:47 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Personally I get the CD and digital from places like Amazon. I can stream and also use the CD with my nice stereo. I'm not into all that warm tubes and $1000 cables BS, but CDs can sound nicer than streamed audio.
misch_mash ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:29:10 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
iTunes was a godsend for anti-piracy. Not over price, or library, or smart licensing.
It was just easier than peer-to-peer.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:38:48 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I can spend more on records in a week than I would spend for Spotify in six months and be totally fine, the real kicker is how difficult it is becoming to manage a library and maintain my sanity.
ObamaLlamaDuck ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:55:37 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Spotify is $10 a month? Damn, in England it's ยฃ10 a month, which is about 14.2 bucks
Raymond-Finkle ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:01:42 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Exactly, $10 a month is a great value in my opinion.
Falcomomo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:12:50 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
My listening habits have changed a lot since the days when I used to buy CDs, or even when it took a while to download an album. Now I rarely listen to the same thing repeatedly.
I used to really get to know albums, and now I feel I'm just vaguely familiar with them. Although, I probably don't listen to music as much as when I was in my teens.
xPvtpancakes ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:31:34 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Could I interest you in 12 cds for only $0.01? And then we'll continue to send them to you FOREVER!
RTaynn ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:09:16 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Sure man. I'm gonna pay with a prepaid VISA and you can charge away. I'm keeping all the CDs.
SkullandBoners ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:33:39 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I suggest using Jango.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:57:55 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I follow a couple of curated playlists. The music in them changes pretty frequently, which means Iโm constantly finding new stuff in quirky genres that donโt get airplay on the radio or show up in shops unless youโre lucky. I gladly pay $10 for this service.
jonmlm ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:04:27 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Seriously, the 90's were expensive for me(5-10 cds a week easy) and I walked out of it with a shit ton of worthless plastic
Kaldricus ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:17:57 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Agreed. And for me, I create genre playlists, not necessarily listen to albums at a time. Spotify premium is great so I can find some songs I like and drop them in my list.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:23:40 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I bought 72 vinyls over 3 years of my favorite artists and have absolutely no regrets. Each one may be 3 to 6 times the price of a CD.
rabidbasher ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:29:43 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I've been using Spotify for a little over a year. I only use it for podcasts. All of my music is mp3 stored locally, not streamed.. (usually not available streaming anyway unless you're talking SoundCloud)
The one exception is my long standing love of SomaFM's commercial free internet radio. Oh baby give me that folk forward, fluid and defcon
InukChinook ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:36:18 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
This. I have spotify playing a minimum 7hrs/day while I'm at work. I live in an area where the only local radio stations are a news and a station that's little more than an unlicensed garage. For me to turn back to CDs or heaven forbid, Accuradio, would be suicide?
dolphins3 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:50:49 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yep, these days I only buy the music I really, really like.
JarnabyBones ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:30:47 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Very true. And here I am cancelling my Spotify because I remember how convenient it is to own an MP3 player. No battery drain on my phone, no storage issues, no data drain.
And even with Spotify premium your geolocation and other behaviors are still being data mined.
Yeah it's a convenience. One that I overcame with $40 on eBay and a dedicated music player device.
Spotify just doesn't do much for me anymore.
D00Dy_BuTT ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:10:58 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
When you think about it $10 a month is ridiculously cheap.
1212121212121212127 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:22:13 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I don't have no 10 bucks a month to spend on things I don't need to survive.
fuzi0ndet ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:54:40 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Best way I've discovered amazing artists I've never heard on local or satellite is the lists.
I just discovered the Marcus King Band (https://open.spotify.com/track/7CEKnpnWXyhNi6tLBGxfAo?si=kL5AE86QROGSuAnDHTWetw) from Black Stone Cherry's play list. Blew my mind. So much of music doesn't fit preformed marketing of stations these days. Spotify is really opening me up to all kinds of different rock and music.
I've been listening to French heavy metal and some Brazilian metal too. Have been a Spotify subscriber for 8 years no regrets.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:12:10 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Ripping cds? Is this 1999?
Liefx ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:48:43 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Honestly I would pay more for GPM. Music is a huge part of my life and having access to new and old music all at once is incredible.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:22:21 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Iโve listened to 168 albums since December with Apple Music. That shit is incredible.
radradio ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 16:35:55 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
This is funny because my dad got a new car with Android auto/apple car play and what not. He found out...he can rip his old CDs and create a playlist on a flash drive and plug that into his car. He went through all that effort to get his own little playlist going instead of using the features on Spotify. I think it's mostly because he's just old and not will to figure out how to use Spotify. To him it's probably easier to just build something static like that and just forget about it.
He still uses apple car play though for maps.
endlesscartwheels ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 16:51:10 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Some of us old folks like to have our things remain just as we set them. We've learned the hard way that if you let a site/service do something for you, then you'll spend time arranging your music as you want it, and come back the next day to find that the site has "helpfully" randomized it, or added songs it thinks you'll like, or lost the rights to some of the songs and deleted them from your carefully crafted playlist without notifying you, etc.
Maybe you young'uns grew up with corporations meddling with your stuff and you're used to it, but we didn't, and we don't like it :P
ScruffTheJanitor ยท 93 points ยท Posted at 15:31:14 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Because on Spotify I can spend 2 hours making a playlist of over 100 artists I've never heard before, a lot of which are too small to have CD releases.
Ajamay95 ยท 48 points ยท Posted at 17:21:07 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
And then get recommendations for that playlist, that may be other things I've never heard of. I've had premium for about three years now, and it's how I've found probably 80% of the new music I listen to.
Tormund_HARsBane ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:33:15 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Exactly. I am subscribed to Google Play Music and I listed to small time artists a lot of the times. That and the radio playlists are the reason I prefer streaming over buying albums.
Also, GPM is $2/month here. Albums are way more expensive.
ScruffTheJanitor ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:29:53 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
If GPM updated their UI so it didn't look awful I would probably swap over.
Especially since you get YouTube red included
TRYHARD_Duck ยท 54 points ยท Posted at 15:29:01 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
They're not losing money because the business model isn't profitable but rather because the record companies take more than half the money for themselves, screwing over Spotify, the artists, and everybody else in between.
[deleted] ยท 43 points ยท Posted at 17:00:06 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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therealdrg ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 17:28:23 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Theyre losing money because the record companies are desperately trying to keep their business model profitable. Giant labels that take a huge cut are going to go away, not music streaming businesses.
sonofaresiii ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 17:52:16 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I'm legit surprised we haven't seen the collapse of major labels already. Self-producing has been affordable for a long time, and wealthy artists could just hire out the staff on an individual basis with less overhead while smaller artists can get by without them. The only thing a major label really has to offer at this point is marketing and distribution.
JealousGovernment ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 18:59:32 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
For music industry success, self-producing gets you jack-shit. You need the promotion and funding that labels can give you. The fact that artists are still desperate to sign tells me that labels aren't going anywhere.
port53 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 04:00:01 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
There are tens of thousands of indi artists that are better than anything a major label churns out, but, you've never heard of them or their work.
The marketing is everything. You see these people on tv, in magazines, played on radio and invited to award shows because they market with a big label, not because their music is the best available.
psuerkdextre ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:07:58 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Brockhampton is a group that I like that is independent and has all portions of the group included under the name. Production, graphic design, management, etc. are all part of the group. Favorite group hands down.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:31:32 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Right, and Spotify should work to disintermediate them, similar to what Netflix is doing, but as of now, you need to pay the people who own the content. If they canโt cover those costs, then theyโre unprofitable
therealdrg ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:18:54 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Getting funds to do that is probably part of why theyre going public.
JealousGovernment ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:00:16 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Record labels aren't the ones who are desperate, lol.
therealdrg ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:11:28 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Giant corporations whos sole purpose was to promote artists, distribute recordings and take 90% of the earnings arent desperate to stay relevant in an age when an artist can self promote and self release, and thousands and thousands of independent labels are doing the same thing cheaper and easier than ever? Ok.
btchmob ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:26:22 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Independent labels still only have a fraction of the reach that majors do.
therealdrg ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:15:01 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Right, but they used to be the only option if you wanted to make a living making music. This is no longer the case. There are plenty of very successful independent artists or artists signed to independent labels that treat them fairly. You dont need to spend hundreds of thousands on production and distribution anymore to get your music out there and create a fan base. Its only going to get easier, not harder, and major labels will become less and less relevant.
btchmob ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:16:57 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Independent record labels have been around for the better part of the last century, achieving varying levels of success. That isn't new.
But that's moot, because it's not really the same market.
therealdrg ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:49:22 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
When an independent label has to actually do physical promotion and press physical disks, not to mention pay for costly studio time because professional equipment is absolutely required to make a record, thats a lot less bands they can manage for the same amount of money. The "new" part is that none of that is required anymore. In 1970 you couldnt have an all-digital label. Today you can.
This is barely even debatable. Digital media and better, more affordable equipment have been a huge boon to independent artists and labels, and a huge blow to traditional labels. When someone can do production, promotion, and distribution all by themselves from their bedroom, the majority of what a major label offers is obsolete. If someone just wants to make a living making music and doesnt necessarily want to be a megastar, theres not much more a major label will offer them.
btchmob ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:04:02 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
No, it's not debatable if you think all a major record label does is publish music โ or even the "majority" of what they do.
I'm not disputing whether or not someone can succeed as an independent musician, but with your idea that majors are in a desperate scenario. Major record labels aren't going anywhere anytime soon.
SEND_ME_OLD_MEMES ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 10:53:59 on March 25, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Just because certain companies jack up their prices because they have a government granted monopoly, doesn't mean other companies have an unprofitable business model. It just means monopolies shouldn't be tolerated.
SleepingInADream ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 17:25:46 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I don't think you understand how this works, and maybe I don't either but I can try to explain from my perspective.
The artists don't get paid unless these record labels get paid, so the more that goes to the labels, the more that goes to the artists except for independent releases. If an artist has an agreement with their music released through a record label to split all sales and streams and licensing of their songs 50/50 or 60/40 or 70/30 or 80/20 (bigger artists get better cuts because they are safer investments), then that split comes out of the label's portion of the Label/Spotify split. The label or publisher is collecting all money on behalf of their artists, and then they take their cut and then the artists get paid the remainder of their agreed upon amount.
So the more a label takes from Spotify's cut, the more the artist gets paid. But the label's cut (at least with the labels I've released on) of Spotify's split is shrinking.
On the artist side, all digital music sales are down dramatically while streaming numbers have been going up considerably, and Spotify is the highest paying of all the streaming services by a landslide simply by sheer traffic and play count differences (at least for mainstream music). No other streaming service is even remotely close to Spotify numbers, if I go by my statements and my peers' statements over the past 5 years. But rates have been going down more and more for Spotify and everyone else, meaning Spotify is taking a bigger and bigger share, so actually both the labels and individual artists are taking the hit. This means Spotify still isn't making enough money, and unless labels and artists are willing to agree to some silly split like Spotify taking 90% and the artists taking 10%, Spotify will have to increase subscription costs. It seems like they're doomed long-term either way, but I'm just a speculative artist.
There's no money in music unless you're touring, or someone is paying you to make music for them. That's just how it is now because music is so easy to get for little to no money online, and streaming rates are dropping more and more because these streaming companies aren't sustainable. Vinyl sales are up, but not nearly enough to make up for the drop in music sales and streams.
Digital sales are trending down to the dumpster, streams are trending up, but stream payouts are trending down to the dumpster, and it's exactly because these streaming services aren't profitable so less and less is going to the artist.
Music sales and streams just don't make money anymore, or I feel is very close to completely crashing. You either do live shows after you become extremely popular or have just one song go viral (both can essentially come down to luck equal to winning the lottery regardless of the amount of work you put in, though grinding more music out gives you far more opportunities to hit said jackpot), or you have rich artists pay you to make their music for them. There is no in between anymore. Touring as small artists does not pay either because you don't have the fanbase to sell out your shows, and if you cannot sell out your shows you do not get sustainable touring deals and gigs long-term.
There used to be an in-between, a middle ground back when music sales were very high and streaming was only just trying to break through, but not anymore. Music sales used to be able to sustain artists long ago, and streaming rates used to be fairly high even just a few years ago, but not anymore. This has nothing to do with record labels (and thus many artists) wanting bigger cuts from Spotify streams. Spotify and other streaming and music services bleeding is what is hitting these record labels (major and independent, big and small) to begin with, and it all stems from no one needing to buy music anymore and being able to get every song in existence for a very reasonable very low subscription cost. Everything in music that is not live show-oriented is currently built on an unsustainable foundation that has been breaking down and crumbling slowly but surely, meaning almost no one makes much money without touring.
We're trending to the point where from the artist and label side, music releases and streaming music serves as an advertisement for tours much more than ever. These people are building fanbases and growing artists for the sake of trying to get them to a point where they can tour and sellout shows, because there will be no money to be made otherwise. Otherwise people are making music just to make music, and will need to stick to their regular jobs to survive. Labels are sustainable without live shows only if they can release an extremely large catalog of music over time where all the pennies and dollars begin to compound over thousands of songs and hundreds of artists (and even this is starting to look rocky as rates continue to fall through streaming services and problems with YouTube monetization). You'll see these sorts of labels on youtube. Otherwise many artists with decently sized fan bases go the independent label route where their own music is an advertisement for their live shows, essentially. But you can't do that unless you have thousands and thousands of active and relevant fans in the first place.
edit: I should clarify one thing though. There is one outlier, and that is Country music. Country music sales are the highest of all genres, a testament to the peculiarities of their typical fanbases. Hip hop and rap are the highest streamed, followed by pop, but when it comes to actual music sales, Country is still doing OK last I heard. There is a lot of money to be made in Country music at the moment.
TheBrainwasher14 ยท 50 points ยท Posted at 15:11:25 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Spotify is the only one losing money, and it's almost entirely because of their free tier. Mark my words, they will ditch it.
dkppkd ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 17:04:49 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I have a friend that worked for Pandora. She said they make less money when a customer moves from ad supported to paid/add free.
Lodespawn ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:25:25 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Man Pandora was awesome sauce, for some annoying reason they keep pulling out of where ever I live, I use Deezer right now, if you like too many things they just start feeding you generic pop garbage rather than tailoring music to you, it's like they just use a scatter graph of things you like and play things that are the absolute average of everything
Garos_the_seagull ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 16:37:26 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
If they just follow the Pandora model and just played one or more ads between every single song played, the free version would not be a money loser for them.
Edit: people are clearly misunderstanding me poking fun at Pandora for playing an ad between every song, or sometimes multiple ads per song.
macgeek417 ยท 28 points ยท Posted at 16:59:39 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Pandora has cheaper licensing costs because they are a "radio station".
GenesisFlux ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:48:23 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yes it would be a money loser. You can use the web app through your browser with ad block and it blocks the ads. :/
PointyOintment ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:12:02 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
So they could just discontinue the web app?
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:55:49 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Or fix it. Easy to do.
MrStruggleSnuggle ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:27:55 on March 26, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Pandora just pulled out of my country (Australia), so they can't be doing too well.
Pascalwb ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:09:52 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Soundcloud almost died.
Milk_of_the_Dinosaur ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:17:18 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Also, Pandora has not yet had one profitable year that I am aware of (as of 3rd quarter of 2017).
gamas ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:48:52 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It would help if they had a better algorithm for the ads - no Spotify, you aren't going to make much revenue from ads if you literally just play the same ad over and over again.
Then again I pay for premium because my thought is "well hang on, ยฃ10 is the price of a single CD with 12-24 tracks, I'm getting more than my money's worth with this". At the end of the day, you have access to an unlimited supply of music and unlike CDs you can choose to have only the songs you like, rather than paying for a bunch of songs you don't like when you buy an album (because let's face it, it's very rare you come across an album in which every song is worth listening to).
jelloburn ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:46:03 on March 26, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Or just severely limit it. I still can't believe they let you play whatever you want through their desktop app.
AfternoonPot ยท 35 points ยท Posted at 14:08:58 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
But when I buy a CD, how does it become available across all of my devices? This is why I think they won't be leaving any time soon.
french_toastx2 ยท 109 points ยท Posted at 14:25:28 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
When you put the ripped song files in your Google music library it becomes available on all your Android devices
AfternoonPot ยท 62 points ยท Posted at 14:27:28 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Oh that's cool. Too bad Google refuses to fix the UI in that app.
arunkumar9t2 ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 14:42:44 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Or you can upload to Dropbox and use foldersyncer apps on playstore to sync between multiple devices.
I used to do this before subbing to Apple Music.
Zilveari ยท 40 points ยท Posted at 15:56:49 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Or get a phone with an SDcard and dump your music on to it, then download something like PowerAMP.
Never have to worry about latency, or surprise dead zones.
ChristmasTreeCrota ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 16:34:08 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I couldnt agree with you more, but unfortunately we are in the dying minority.
WholesomeRedditUser ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 17:14:00 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yep.
RIP
Psychast ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:36:13 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Make room for one more in that sinking ship please.
Do_your_homework ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 18:11:29 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The difference is that all these other options go "it's simple, just do this, this, this, rip all the music, then do this". Whereas with spotify the only step is "install spotify".
I didn't like going through the trouble of ripping my discs back when there weren't other options. Hell I don't even have a cd drive anymore. It's convenience.
SiriusC ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:59:56 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
How? I've seen this said many times but memory expansion doesn't seem to be going anywhere. I thought it was on the way out when I had a Nexus 4 but all the phones I've had since then have had SD slots. It's something I insist on having when considering any new phone.
ChristmasTreeCrota ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:29:48 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Sure not every phone has dropped sd card slots but i think they all will eventually sadly.
srwaddict ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 18:05:52 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, a 128 gig micro SD card is CHEAP.
I've got a hundred gigs of my music with me at all times, without worrying about internet connection ever.
mrbagels1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:23:54 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe this is more common knowledge than I know....but it turns out 200gb cards run on any phone that take 128s too. I have trouble syncing files on my card when I have the SD card in the phone and the phone connected to computer but I just pop it out and use a card reader and other than that it works perfectly
jnkangel ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:26:41 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I used to do that. I still do that on my PC. But I don't think I've ever had a single music app on android or ios that didn't mess up tagging, album art etc.
On top of that the choice with something like spotify is a lot bigger as long as you're within a number of genres.
OK_Soda ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 15:53:45 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
And eventually have to pay for Dropbox when you blow through the free tier limits. At that point, why not just pay for Spotify?
Errat1k ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:17:15 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
At a guess I'd say it's because spotify insist on making the free user experience as annoying possible.
skulblaka ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 17:44:48 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Spotify insists on trying to recoup the cost of letting you listen to a hundred billion songs for free. The free user experience is annoying because A: Ads are their only possible source of revenue for you using their free product, and B: Music licensing is fucking expensive. They really, really want you to pay that $10 a month because it's a smoking good deal for the average music fan and because they have to be able to support themselves. Money is the bottom line of everything and if people are going to bitch about Spotify providing them with free music, with some restrictions able to be removed by a subscription, then they deserve for Spotify to be intentionally annoying.
Errat1k ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:30:25 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
My point being was meant to be, that if you teach your potential customers to hate what you are offering, getting them to pay gets tricky.
These kind of design decisions were popular in earlier internet history and hasn't ever really worked out very well for many of the companies involved as far as I know. These strategies may seem very clever but in the end only destroy what little value people find in your what you are offering.
It's almost as if people react badly to being coerced, who knew?
mrneo240 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 14:47:50 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
What are your complaints?
AfternoonPot ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:08:28 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I haven't used the app in a while so correct me if I'm wrong. The bottom navigation bar seems better to me than the burger menu that Google has going on. And I like Spotify's theme better.
hoopbag33 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:34:27 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
If there are under 5 options sure, but GPM has far more than that in that menu.
Battkitty2398 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 15:36:40 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
And it's white. And orange. Give me a dark theme and a more intuitive layout and I'd be fine with it.
AfternoonPot ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 15:37:17 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Same. Spotify just works. I have to think when I use GPM
hoopbag33 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 15:38:33 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
If you are picking your streaming service based on how much of the color orange they use then I'm not sure they should really by aiming at you as a customer lol
Battkitty2398 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:40:52 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I'm just saying, the UI is ugly and (in my opinion) unintuitive. Why keep every single option buried in one menu that's on the farthest corner? Idk, Spotify's UI is much more appealing to me.
tomegranate ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:13:45 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
For a start, listing artists in rows of two, completely fundamental UI fail.
mrneo240 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:30:58 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Why not just search?
tomegranate ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:37:45 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
If I'm looking for something in particular then yeah. But if I want to browse because I don't know what I want to listen to, it sucks.
Bowldoza ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:51:29 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
As if it's unusable lol
-Smohk- ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:42:06 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
What don't you like about the UI? Ive used Google Play exclusively since they paired Red with it and it's never bothered me.
AfternoonPot ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:44:10 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I like the bottom navigation bar of Spotify. It works better for me
SiriusC ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:02:12 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Individual preference doesn't mean something is broken
-Smohk- ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:03:01 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Oh okay
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:05:21 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Lmao, this shit still? There's literally nothing wrong with it, only some people on r/Android complain about it because well, y'all love to complain!
therealdrg ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:37:19 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The UI is usable if you can look at it, but theres a lot of times you want to do something where looking at the phone is inconvenient. They also hide shit for no reason, like, if I'm playing a playlist, why would you ever, ever hide the tracklist or the controls just to show me a giant album art instead?
Ive had a google music subscription for like 7 years, and used it with my uploaded music for like 3 years before that, and I really do love it, but the mobile version is pretty shit. The desktop version isnt that much better either, but the algorithm for picking tracks in the radio feature, and the fact that absolutely every song ever is on there keeps me using it. They definitely could improve though.
AfternoonPot ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:05:57 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Sorry I find Spotify easier to use. And I'm pretty sure you still can't save individual songs.
Edit: NVM you can FINALLY "add to library"
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:56:12 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Finally? I've been using play music for years and can't remember a time when you couldn't do that
AfternoonPot ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:20:02 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Well I do!
therealdrg ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:38:22 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You could always do this. It was the selling point when they introduced the paid streaming feature. There used to be a limit of like 10 dollars "worth" of songs every month, but its been unlimited for a very long time.
jelloburn ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:43:33 on March 26, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I feel like I'm the only person in the world that doesn't have a serious issue with the GPM app. I open it, search for what I want, and click play. I don't get what is causing people so much grief.
SuperNanoCat ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:05:42 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You can also use Groove with OneDrive.
NachoManSandyRavage ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:04:07 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Google Play music is the only reason why I refuse to use it even though I have google play music through YT Red. It's so counter-intuitive that it makes it dangerous to use while driving. Spotify's layout is just lightyears better.
therealdrg ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:33:40 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Theres an app called Frinky Music Controller that lets you control any media player (including google music) with your volume keys while the screens off. You dont need root to use it, its on the market.
I agree with you that the UI is better, but google music is way, way better at recommending actually relevant music based on what you listen to, rather than paid promotion top 40 bullshit.
meltedmoops999 ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 14:40:05 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Google Music is multiplatform so it'd be available on Android, iOS, PC and Mac or anything that can run Chrome browser.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:30:57 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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sylos ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:59:31 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
But you can't play all songs from an artist with a click of a button. In fact, it's a real pain in the ass making a custom playlist to hold all the songs of an artist.
pvmnt ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:29:21 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Not just Android devices - your desktop, laptop and iOS devices too.
soupersauce ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:56:25 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Or you can use Plex
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:59:44 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Google music works in iOS too.
MrStruggleSnuggle ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:28:30 on March 26, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
OneDrive too, via Groove Music.
AidenXY ยท 58 points ยท Posted at 14:43:31 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Same. And $10 per CD versus $10 a month for access to millions of songs. It's a no-brainer to just go with Spotify at this point.
niuguy ยท 54 points ยท Posted at 14:57:44 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
10 bucks a month for anytime anywhere music is amazing and yet....people bitch.
mrbubbamac ยท 40 points ยท Posted at 15:38:34 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I couldn't do it because fundamentally I want to own that music, not be leasing it. I have devices I listen to music on that won't work with Spotify.
Don't make fun of me...I drive a 2011 car that has built in Zune integration. I can control it from my steering wheel and I keep all my music there. I won't upgrade so I can plug my phone in with an aux cord and use an app instead.
Awesomolocity ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 16:49:30 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I'm in a similar boat. I don't like the idea of not owning a copy of my music (on CD, usually)
Though with CDs becoming more and more scarce at my local store, and me getting increasingly into less known artists, I've also started purchasing music on iTunes.
However, I do like streaming services for finding new music, so I've got Google Play Music and Pandora subscriptions, but whatever music I want to add to my library, I purchase through iTunes. If I really like the artist, I'll typically go to their website and buy a physical CD.
But yeah, I like having ownership of my library. I guess iTunes could go under at any moment or decide not to sell music anymore, but at least I've still got the copy on my computer.
movzx ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:36:28 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Fyi you can get a cheap Bluetooth capable radio that will work with those steering wheel controls.
For $200 you can get a radio that runs Spotify (and Netflix) directly.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:54:05 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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nssone ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 17:08:18 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
But the comment he replied to mentioned steering wheel controls, which he can't do using a transmitter or aux cord.
movzx ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:24:27 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Guy literally said he didn't want to use an aux cord and he wanted to use his steering wheel controls. Come on man.
alienwraith ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:12:18 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
i used those quite a bit, for a while, but they suffered noise and/or stereo issues. I ended up getting a cassette/aux adapter that worked really well, except in extreme cold, before ending up with bluetooth
niuguy ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:45:51 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
My only issue with streaming is that GPM isn't convenient for running without a phone.
esssential ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:54:44 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
there may be an aftermarket stereo you can install in your car. for my beamer there are head units that run Android and take input from my steering wheel.
edit: something like this.
dubman42 ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 16:05:11 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Well the industry isn't going to cater to your antiquated needs, so good luck with that.
mrbubbamac ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 16:17:17 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I don't expect it to. I'm just giving an example of why someone might not be interested in music streaming.
platon29 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:36:06 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Antiquated? Hardly CD's still exist, you know?
dubman42 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:51:37 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I was referring to his Zune and and refusal to upgrade to something that will support his phone. But now that you mention it, yeah, CDs are antiquated too.
platon29 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 20:03:22 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I assume you think DVD, Blu Rays, and books in a physical format are all antiquated too?
Askmewhatimwearing ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 15:32:54 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
right? its literally only 10 a month for ALL the music I'd ever want to listen to, and i listen to 100+ different albums monthly easily, no fucking way am i buying those seperately.
ChristmasTreeCrota ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 16:36:01 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I have encountered many issues with the spotify library. Plenty of times an artist isnt there, or if they are, there are albums missing out of their discography. Not to mention spotify using the wrong years on albums/them being out of order drives me up the wall.
fluxerik ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 17:04:26 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Which would you say happens more often: not finding an artist or song on Spotify, or not finding an artist or song in your apparently huge personal music collection?
ChristmasTreeCrota ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 17:08:39 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Clearly spotify lets me down more often.
WhimsicalLlamaH ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:09:12 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The honest truth is the average customer don't care about this minor qualms. The benefits far outweigh the downsides.
ChristmasTreeCrota ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:12:53 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I get they may not care if the years are incorrect, but you should definitely care if an artists who you enjoy listening to has a portion of their catalog missing.
WhimsicalLlamaH ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:16:51 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It's simply not my responsibility as a customer. It's the responsibility of the artist if they care enough to vet and verify how their music is distributed.
sdvr1 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:37:05 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Then as a customer, it is my right to go somewhere else.
ChristmasTreeCrota ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:21:28 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
So if you go to an artists page and see that only 3 out of 6 albums are available your response is "fuck it not my responsibility!!" rather then "damn this sucks"?
WhimsicalLlamaH ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:35:46 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I just know that contract licensing is complicated and sometimes collections aren't complete. I also pay for a streaming service so I can listen to millions of songs, not to listen to an entire catalog back to back of an artist. If that priority is your line in the sand, then buy the music directly.
I pay for Netflix, but I don't resent the company because they took of House MD in a contract renegotiation. If I really wanted direct access to that series, I'd just buy it.
ChristmasTreeCrota ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:04:19 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Im not telling you to listen to an artist entire discography in one sitting. What i am saying is it sucks when albums are missing because you do not have the option to listen to an album you want to hear. Licensing sucks and it happens waaaayyyy to often.
Impetus_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:23:02 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It's 33 cents a day for the convenience of something that everyone in the world can appreciate- Music.
Zilveari ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:57:23 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Anytime anywhere, unless you have gone over the cap on your "unlimited" plan and are streaming at 56k speeds.
Or you are in a surprise deadzone.
KnaxxLive ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 16:18:11 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Good thing all the services offer offline caching? You're trying really hard to make something good sound bad.
Zilveari ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:56:35 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
So you're still using up onboard space. I don't see why I would want to pay for it.
KnaxxLive ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:06:16 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Because they offer you more music than you own?
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 18:01:03 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I don't know about other people, but the reason I still buy cds is specifically because I can never find any of my music on Spotify or other services. Every cd I've bought in the last decade also comes with a drm free digital download in .mp3 or flac, so transferring stuff is no problem either
if0rg0t2remember ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:51:07 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You don't need to pay for the CD of you pay for the premium GPM sub. You get most music with the sub. If you don't have the sub, you can still upload your own music and listen to it on GPM, but you only have access to music you own and uploaded.
klesus ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:54:31 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
To me it's a no-brainer as well and my choice is buying CDs/MP3s. I may get monthly access to millions of songs with spotify, but that doesn't mean I'm going to listen to millions of songs ever. It's false value.
$120/year is insane spending if I normally don't even approach spending $120/decade on CDs/MP3s. No amount of convenience can justify the price. When I actually find music that I find worth spending money on, that means that I will listen to it many times. This means ad-free listening forever. Compared to spotify that is a fraction of the cost. If I want to listen to music for the sake of discovery then I listen to radio. That is free, and the radio services have access to millions of songs in my stead.
AidenXY ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:22:20 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
That's just you, man.
I don't listen to radio.
I have thousands of tracks on my playlists. There's no way I'd afford that if I had to buy singles and CDs.
jelloburn ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:45:29 on March 26, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Why are people choosing Spotify over GPM? With GPM you automatically get YouTube Red, and it syncs your personal music library as well, so you have cloud access to all of your personal library that might not be available on any of the streaming services. What boggles my mind even more is that people pay for Pandora...
AidenXY ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:19:54 on March 26, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Playlist.
Not shitty auto-generated ones, either.
Queen_Jezza ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:49:32 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
you copy and paste the files across
Jude2425 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:40:57 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You could. It's called Plex. Load it up on your home computer, point it towards your music directory, and all of a sudden you can stream and DL for offline use on every device.
AfternoonPot ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:41:42 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Oh shit. Thanks!
youre_being_creepy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:11:25 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
How many devices do you have? Cd to computer to all other devices
4K77 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:50:56 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Rip it
cooldude581 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:59:03 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Amazon.
Centcom15 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:25:22 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I pay for the mobile service so I can download to my phone and use Bluetooth in my car. I like it because I don't have to fumble with discs or ripping music. I just connect and go, and then I have literally hundreds of albums at my fingertips, music that will definitely cost more than the sub to acquire.
I've had a paid Spotify for years. Literally since they moved to the US and while I don't necessarily agree with all the choices they make, I have the service stuck firmly in my essentials category. To me, it's worth it. And I'd rather not have sub prices get raised. $10 a month for my thousands and thousands of songs is nothing compared to $10 per 20 songs on a CD that I have to rip and then add to a playlist and then maybe it works? Don't have that time. Or a disc drive.
Yerambe ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:09:27 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
CDs for my car.
I have a case of 100 of my favorites. I rotate some in and out.
dBRenekton ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:44:28 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I used to buy used CDs off amazon for mere pennies to a couple bucks. The shipping usually costs more then the CD itself and you can rip it to your PC at full quality.
can_a_bus ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:02:35 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Well of course they are outselling digital downloads. That statistic is determined by revenue. It costs probably $1 or less in materials to make a vinyl and they sell it for $20 to $40. They are completely different mediums with different mindsets regarding what they are worth. No one wants to pay around $30 an album for something digital that could be gone forever.
Digital streaming is the future and Spotify is leading the way. Once they pass a threshold of paying users it will all be uphill from there. They just need enough people paying such that the amount of money that the artists are making are happy.
bjh13 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:43:18 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Where are you buying CDs that they cost $20 to $40? Barring some sort of special edition, or a trip back to 2002, that number is way off.
can_a_bus ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:50:14 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I will edit it to not include CD's. Those prices are definitely for vinyl only.
candelalgebra ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:14:34 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Is it just a cultural thing? Lots of people understand that ads pay for more content to be created, so we get music, shows, reading, etc for free (as long as we allow ads), but still the majority thinks all ads are bad and will not accept that people making things (which they use) actually need to profit from it, or the thing collapses.
Because some people understand that, maybe that means that most people will eventually understand it. Of course, maybe free content on the internet will just fold.
(I'm talking about regular picture ads, and a moderate amount of short pre-video ads (not hold-you-hostage and waste your time, play noises on your browswer, etc ads)
eagenda ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:44:09 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It's the pluralism of the internet. Sure, you could have ads. Sure, you could charge a subscription fee, go for it. You have to accept though, that there is always going to be someone who is not willing to accept ads and also someone who will deem your subscription fees too dear for their taste - and in turn there will always be someone willing to cater to these people by providing an alternative (legal or otherwise, cheaper or more convenient).
"It's like that because of the way it is" is not a good argument for ads as primary income source.
I'm pretty sure if I went to a bank to get a business loan and explained how my income will rely on ad clicks (views don't cut it most of the time) I would be laughed out of the building. There are other ways and more of them everyday, ads will not go away - people still want to market whatever they're making - but other income channels will take over.
candelalgebra ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:39:21 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
That's true. I'm more just interested in how things turn out. Whether people will adopt to actually understanding how something like free internet content works, or whether they will just chose an alternative that collapses it (which is already happening, but might reverse - for example, if people stopped using blanket ad blocking tech, publishers would see profits go up 20-40% and would fund more content for sure, or at least not chose to fold). I suspect subscriptions couldn't be a solution for any but the biggest brands, just due to peoples ideas/ability to consume/pay.
While true of a bank, media has always been ad-funded. TV, radio, much of/sometimes all of newspapers and magazines, and part of the funding for sports and music events are paid for with ads.
abowlofcereal ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:32:56 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
There's a reason the big streaming services, apart from Spotify, are owned by companies that make their profits in other areas. For the biggest of the big (Apple, Amazon, and Google), the user buy-in is probably worth the fact that they generally break even on the service itself.
That being said, I have found myself moving back to buying at least some of the music I enjoy on CD. For the money and the peace of mind of actually having a high quality physical copy, it's not a bad choice.
Purple_pajamas ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:48:25 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I think it has reached somewhat of an equilibrium. Google and Apple may not make money off their streaming services, but their users' relationship to the ecosystem keeps them profitable in the long run. I think spotify makes enough off non-premium users to compete. As long as those services don't start gouging prices, I think we'll see this trend continue.
Also, people don't buy every song they listen to. Most use streaming for convenience and buy physical media for stuff they want to own. Nobody wants to own everything they listen to. And when I personally want to own something, I'd rather have the physical media as well as the digital copy; not just a digital copy that in the case of apple you don't even legallly own.
Karzdan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:50:05 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
And how much are you willing to pay for all the cloud storage needed? I have over 500 Cd's spanning back to the 90s. People aren't buying digitized music because it's cost effective to use a streaming service like Spotify.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:50:16 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
vinyl? i understand the sentimental value. but really, people still buy vinyl?
justcoolguy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:55:31 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Cds and vinyl are out selling digital downloads BECAUSE of streaming.
FrankPapageorgio ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:56:53 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Seriously, check out your local library. Mine has Nintendo Switch and PS4 games with no cost to borrow them. But according to my taxes, I pay $40/month towards the library. But, you know, feels like free
VanApe ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:58:19 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The thing I've always found silly about piracy is the fact we have libraries. It has always been a common thought that media should be shared, it wasn't until our modern day nonsense that we suddenly decided it was terrible, and think of the [Strike]artists[/strike] labels!
Shitty media comes from the for profit culture. Microtransactions, nickleback, ads...etc. Good shit comes from passion. We see it all the time! Dark souls, enter the gungeon, pink elvis floyd presley! The list goes on.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:08:31 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Funny you say that cause someone recommended me a band yesterday and I could only find they're most recent album on a digital download service. I couldn't find any CD's on amazon (so if you know a good site I'm all ears). Otherwise it's a bit of an investment. I don't think people want to own albums of bands they haven't heard before
NotBloodyLikely ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:22:15 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Is Hulu ad free if you pay? I used to pay for Hulu a few years back, but there were still ads, and the ads were quite frequent. I ended up canceling the sub and finding less legit streaming sources.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:38:05 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It's difficult to click "play album radio" from my CDs though. It's more difficult to find music you like that you may have never heard of just buying CDs.
NSFWIssue ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:43:50 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
May be fun for you buddy but it's not going to be fun for the average consumer.
mnmkdc ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:50:59 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Digital downloads aren't actually relevant to spotify and similar streaming services though right?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:53:04 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
When Reddit finally, mercifully dies, this comment will be enshrined in the history books to illustrate just how insane and out of touch this websiteโs user base was. โWhy pay $10/month to have nearly all the music in the world at your fingertips when you could instead pay $10 for a single album, which you then have to rip to a computer and manually copy to all your devices?โ 400+ upvotes. Pure insanity.
LePontif11 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:06:21 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I don't think that the clients Spotify is "missing" are ripping CD's and vinyls. They are more likely downloading for free. When i can't find something on spotify i sure as hell don't buy clutter, which is what cds and vinyls are to me.
Zandrick ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:09:29 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
For me, it's not just access to music I like, but recommendations for music I might like. Plus radio streaming playlists so I can just set it and forget it.
Nobodygrotesque ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:10:01 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The issue with that (granted its small) laptops and computers are loosing their cd drives, so Iโm assuming we would have to by a portable one?
theVelvetLie ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:10:54 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Hulu is ad-free? I still get ads with my paid subscription bundled with Spotify. Is the normal Hulu subscription completely ad-free?
dt_vibe ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:11:15 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Only reason I buy CD's is because the audio difference from Spotify via Bluetooth is so crap even at extreme settings. CD's offer that pure sound hitting every frequency perfectly.
-Cryptomaniac- ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:14:14 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I feel like this post is rather misleading. The focus has clearly shifted to paid streaming services which dump the adds. Per the article you linked
So yes while CD's and Vinyl are (barely) outselling digital downloads from services like iTunes, they are significantly smaller when compared to the amount of people going to streaming services like Spotify, Tidal, or Apple Music. That's for good reason to, as many people listed below.
Bang for your buck, I spent 10 bucks a month and get unlimited CD's to add to my collection, I can listen as much or as little as I'd like anywhere I'd like.
Discovery, logging users listen history beefs up algorithms for "Discover" playlists to bring you relevant tunes as well as a convenient place to look at new releases every day.
A host of sub apps built in to the streaming service like Genius lyrics and video content
And this is just a few. Whether we like it or not streaming is the future of the music industry. We will pay more for convenience and streaming offers extreme convenience.
Cuw ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:16:04 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Spotify was losing money last time I checked. Their business model sucks, they are steaming music at a loss, giving artists shitty deals and advertisers donโt even get guaranteed impressions since piracy is so rampant. They are at the mercy of licensing agreements that a lot of companies just donโt want to negotiate. The second the VC well is dry how will they continue to operate at a loss? They lost $581M last year... when are they going to make money? And how are they going to do it.
Meanwhile Apple has nearly as many US subscribers, and isnโt losing money doing it. But the deck is stacked in Appleโs favor so idk that itโs a fair comparison. Apple has 15 years of licensing contracts with record labels and individual artists, they have international licensing agreements worked out too. On top of that they are installed on every single iPhone that is sold, and the iPhone line is the most popular line of phones in the US. And they are nearly a trillion dollar company so it doesnโt even matter if Apple Music ends up being a loss leader. And then they have great original content, QTip, Elton John, Charlie XCX, Run the Jewels, and Dr Dre all have their own shows that are really good.
We have come to the point where itโs clear free streaming doesnโt work, you canโt do it and make money, ads donโt pay enough, and you piss off artists by not paying them enough and โcheapeningโ music. I donโt know that Spotify can ever make money and Google, Amazon and Apple can all lose money hand over fist in the steaming industry and still make bank in other segments.
Inquisitor1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:16:12 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
why not just pirate?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:16:59 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Vinyl is making a come back baybeeeee
PewPewChicken ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:17:57 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Because I don't like every song on an album and don't see the point in spending 10$ for listening to 50 cents worth of music (or whatever).
synthanasia ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:23:16 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Might as well be back in early 2000, ripping music from cds.. The time it takes to rip and cd and wait for all the Information to download about the track or album. And then having to sync it to your phone, isn't worth the effort. But $10 for Spotify is 100% worth it. Click the add button on a song I like in Spotify and it autosyncs it to a playlist for me.
mightylordredbeard ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:24:23 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Hulu isn't ad free though. They started showing ads in their paid subscription awhile back. Now you need to pay even more for the ad free sub, which isn't even 100% ad free.
I really dislike that Hulu started out advertising their original paid service as "ad free", then slowly started putting ads into it, and now has a second service that is suppose to be the "no really, this one is ad free for real", but it isn't.
If rumors are true, then they're going to be adding yet another ad free-ad free plan that really, really, really doesn't have any ads (except for the few ads that is has).
Fuck Hulu.
eventully ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:28:21 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Hard drive space is only getting cheaper.
Internet bandwidth is getting more expensive.
I predict a new Ipod soon (not really...but maybe)
butsuon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:35:05 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The problem with that is we've nearly moved completely beyond physical media.
The music industry would benefit greatly from a service like Cryptocurrency for maintaining music licenses because people are afraid of buying things on iTunes or what-have-you. "If the company goes out of business, I lose all my music."
We need a self-sustaining digital format that persists past a distributors shelf life but also gives labels the security they need against piracy.
User_1042 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:35:24 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
This is totally a solution, though I don't own a device with a CD player, haven't for years. Got 2 surface pro tablets, a couple of Chromebooks and a desktop computer though. I haven't seen software on a CD for the longest time. I have a record player though, there's something so satisfying about vinyl.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:40:30 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Don't come in here and pretend streaming companies are losing money. They aren't.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:46:24 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I would pay probably up to $20/mo for Spotify. I listen to Spotify probably 5 hours a day while I program. It's so worth the cost! I don't pay for any streaming services right now because the price isn't worth the content. Netflix would have to have every or almost every movie/show I'd want to watch (right now it's less than half) for me to pay. But Spotify? They have all the music I could ever want. Hella worth the money
awkreddit ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:58:25 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I feel like what internet streaming allows more than piracy is actually making content creators aware of the numbers on piracy. There's always been harmless copying and sharing of media, but now people are aware of it.
Pascalwb ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:09:20 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Then it will just go back to warez if online streaming dies.
Curiousfur ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:14:42 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Warning: disjointed thoughts incoming, replying while working.
It's a sign of the state of the economy. Theres just not enough money in the middle class to widely afford "luxuries/entertainment" at the profit margin producers and distributors and managers want. People flocked to streaming because it was significantly cheaper than buying albums, then all of the streaming services raced to the bottom on pricing to gain userbase, and now they are realizing that it's not sustainable without charging more, so they start adding ads that people hate. If they raise the cost of subscription too high, it'll lose it's edge over cost of albums, driving people back to ripping CDs, which is even less profit for these companies (I can share a disk with all of my friends, etc). Piracy will also go up, as that's an issue of price and distribution. If more people go back to ripping CDs, then the companies will work to disallow ripping disks for mobile devices, which I can assure you will not cause people to go back to CD players. It's a no-win game if the goal is profits at the top.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:34:54 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
CDs would require an optical drive, and there isn't one in my house. CDs must surely be on the road to being obsolete - only at the start of the road right enough, but still on the road.
juusukun ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:57:58 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It's legal to rip audio CD's right? I don't see why it wouldn't be, there isn't any DRM involved. I feel as though BluRay sales would be higher if it was legal for people to rip movies or TV shows and watch them wherever, however they want. Would be great for a long road trip without Wi-Fi access, you could load up all your movies and shows on a external hard drive, flash drive, or even the huge capacity SD cards available today instead of carrying a binder full of discs
Sinoops ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:59:06 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I listen to much more than 1 album a month....
esacbw ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:14:49 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The current state of the music industry means that it's near-impossible to have a profitable streaming platform because of licensing costs (Spotify loses almost 80% of it's total revenue every year on licensing the music alone)
It's not a coincidence that Spotify is being propped up by the Major Record Labels and the other primary streaming services are part of huge businesses like Amazon, Apple and Google that are profitable in other markets.
Offandonandoffagain ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:46:39 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I have an old laptop that I use exclusively for my itunes. I got an email from Apple that said in May they are going to drop support for windows vista, which is my laptops os. So after April, instead of buying music from Apple, I will completely disconnect my laptop from the internet and just buy CD's and manually add them to itunes. I use my phone and tablet for everything else, I'm not getting a newer laptop just for itunes.
Thysios ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:09:43 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
idk where you live but they're at least twice that price for me. Also far more inconvenient to buy and then they waste space on the shelf or take more time to sell.
People will gladly pay more for convenience.
DragonTamerMCT ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:16:27 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
So long it doesnโt end up like video streaming (ie splintered as fuck now), Iโll gladly pay more.
shamowfski ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:17:00 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Hulu and ad free do not belong in the same sentence
TheNamelessKing ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:15:03 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
After a while playing for streaming services (both Spotify and Play Music) I've gone back to buying my music outright.
I sorry the artist more, no one can remove the track from streaming, I don't require any data to listen to my music ever. Interestingly, I also find that with Spotify and Play Music I never really appreciated the full album, I would only ever listen to a subset of tracks that I liked on the first play through. When I own the whole thing I end up appreciating all the tracks far more.
fuzi0ndet ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:47:49 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Why not buy CDs for $10? Because I'm not going to try musicians I've never heard of for that much even if I like one of their songs. On top of that it's a seamless transition between devices. Phone, laptop, desktop, tablet, play station, and sonos. I've used everyone on these devices and love the convenience of the service.
Using a free service and blocking the ads because they're annoying is just some bull shit entitlement nonsense. Pony up the money and get better quality audio too, it's worth it. I also have to wonder how many people blocking the ads are rocking some over priced awful audio gear like skull candy or beats.
unlimitedcode99 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:09:32 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I would rather opt to buy the tracks I want, wish that there would be a more direct way to support the artists and those directly related in making the albums, minus all the corporate crap, ain't paying for those shitty lobbyists nor those advertising companies. I guess they wanted too much of the pie that the once plausible free tier with some audio ads isn't feasible anymore, but should had been enough minus those corporate craps.
Goku420overlord ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:25:54 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Why not torrent and have albums with no ads?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:56:27 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I donโt even own a CD player any more. My car only streams. Plus it sucks having to store physical media.
Instead of buying CDs I just pay for Spotify premium. Itโs cheaper and I can listen to what I want when I want.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:36:26 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
They are all going to fail, because nobody has enough selection. They have plenty of new music, but that's not what I want
Drunkenaviator ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:24:42 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Because then my CD budget would be somewhere north of $2k a month. Not everbody listens to the same 2 CDs over and over again.
universum-cerebrum ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:30:57 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Did you even read your source.
Streaming is not digital downloads.
Physical media is practically dead.
Streaming is the future.
Apple Music is incredibly successful.
tempinator ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:36:02 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Is it really? I'm not doubting you, I just never considered it to be as big of a player as Spotify.
I switched to Apple Music from Spotify recently because I was able to get added to a family plan for free, but I didn't realize it was anywhere near as popular.
anderssi ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:20:11 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
because that's a lot of work, i don't have anything to play the CDs with, and i wouldn't want physical media on my shelves anyway, what is this 1998?
I'm fine paying 5bucks a month for spotify premium, i use it a lot and 5 bucks is nothing.
jojo_31 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:41:33 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Or just use a program that can download an entires artists song in flac with one click... Who even has a CD reader anymore?
HeavensentLXXI ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:57:18 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Such as?
jojo_31 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 10:27:56 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Idk if it's against the rules so I dm you
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:17:05 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It's not rocket science we all should be able to understand this.
Digital = Piracy wins. Anytime a company fights piracy the consumer loses in this case. Since the 70s they have failed on that.
The reason physical products are outselling now is because people want to actually OWN what they spend their money on.
Not rent it until the person says they cannot have it anymore.
I refuse to pay for music. There's entirely too much of it for me to ever listen to and plenty of it is free anyways.
Companies need to understand the rock n roll gold mine is closed. Live shows do well, sure.
And ads on a music platform are the fucking worst thing ever. You're halfway through a playlist when all of a sudden at 200% volume you hear some shit about geico or something. Complete immersion ruined.
Really we just needs to replace ads with something better. Maybe instead of ads spotify spends like 20% of your processor on mining cryptocurrency.
SDSKamikaze ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:34:41 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I pay ยฃ10 a month for Spotify. If I was to buy a CD for every song/artist/whole album that I listened to I would be spending well over ยฃ70-80 a month.
I buy vinyl for albums I'm really interested in and stream everything else. It makes 0 sense for me to buy CDs.
Brazen_Serpent ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:03:45 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
At that point why not just pirate your music?
dopestdad ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:04:55 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Your final argument is dumb because why buy 13 to 20 songs for 10 dollars when you can have an unlimited library for around the same rate. If you buy 12 CD's a year because you hate adds, just buy the subscription because it's cheaper in the long run for the value added.
Of course CDs and vinyl outsell digital downloads; anyone who would buy a digital copy just subscribes to spotify or pandora for the same reasoning as the CD argument above.
Also that article you pointed out actually says most of the growth has happened to steaming, bringing in 5.7 billion and counted as over 2/3s the revenue for the industry, those companies are doing great and swimming in cash. Only vinyl is actually raising sales, CDs are dying out. I would guess the vinyl bump is just a bubble from people following the new trend. Guess is 5 to 10 years they will return to their old downwards trend.
A bigger problem is the amount of money artists make from new albums, as they make less streaming it then if they sold as a CD. It discourages them to make more quality music and focus on mass appeal music. It's also what caused Kanye and all them to do that stupid steaming service (can't remember the name).
chic_luke ยท 145 points ยท Posted at 13:58:03 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
. Been using Spotify for 5 years but I'm a student. Try to raise the subscription price because your security is shit and you still couldn't stop cracked clients (remember Chrome's Spotify downloader? So do I) and I will be using Google Play Music before the day this happens is up.
ryanloh ยท 24 points ยท Posted at 15:11:09 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I use both. I feel like Google Play's radio stations are better and offer more variety, but if I want to listen to something specific, I have spotify. Google Play also is better for podcasts IMO
Snflrr ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 17:27:14 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I've used GPM ever since Spotify decided to stop working on my phone two years ago (seriously, it would hard-crash my S7 within minutes of opening the app) and the only thing I think Spotify does better is album management. GPM decides that you need EVERY iteration of an album, so you'll get the original, the 1999 remastered, the 2006 remastered, the 2009 remastered deluxe, the 2016 remastered deluxe re-release, etc. Outside of that, GPM just feels more polished. I like the fact that it's got the Play Next feature AND the Add To Queue feature, since having more control is always nice. And being able to actually look up podcasts is fucking amazing.
Iustis ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 18:57:06 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The flip side of that complaint: if I click on an artist in Spotify I get 10 songs I want, and 20 remixes which I don't want.
Comrade_Bender ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:38:20 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I always had that problem with Spotify.
Listening to a band that's been around for 30 years on shuffle? I hope you like hearing every remix, remaster, and live version of one song over and over again.
notlogic ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 18:18:38 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
GPM also comes with YouTube Red.
We have Google Home devices in our house (which work with Spotify or GPM). Before getting the devices I preferred GPM and my wife preferred to listen to music on YouTube. Now if I ask for Home to play music, it defaults to GPM. If my wife asks, it plays from YT.
Enguhl ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:42:41 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
This is why I use GPM, now I can also watch ad-free stuff on Youtube without ad-blocking and denying support for the channels I like. It's win/win and I get both for as much as Spotify premium.
jengabooty ยท 95 points ยท Posted at 14:04:52 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
They'll be raising the price soon enough either way. They're going public and will have to become progressively more profitable in an industry that is struggling to find profitability.
ABaseDePopopopop ยท 129 points ยท Posted at 14:07:41 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
As long as Google and Apple subsidy their offers with their profits from other branches, Spotify can't raise the price.
jengabooty ยท 40 points ยท Posted at 14:10:58 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Exactly why I think Spotify has no chance. It has to be profitable.
[deleted] ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 16:43:15 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Spotify and Microsoft seem pretty happy together... Maybe some deal between them? Student package: Spotify Premium + Office Suite for some decent price.
[deleted] ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 17:10:57 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Students already get a basic Office package for free.
Smacka-My-Paca ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 19:07:59 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Which is super nice although libreoffice works just as well for normal student use.
[deleted] ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 22:00:56 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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Smacka-My-Paca ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 02:53:49 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:14:13 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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Smacka-My-Paca ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 03:15:43 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I wouldn't call advanced spreadsheets normal use though. Normal spreadsheets are normal use.
nyet_the_kgb ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 03:19:41 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Whatโs normal use?? If youโre tracking a budget thatโs honestly light use.
Why canโt you just admit to the shortcomings of this product you hold dear?
MrStruggleSnuggle ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:36:23 on March 26, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
This has been what I've thought for a while - MS could buy Spotify, integrate it in to Groove while also keeping the Spotify apps and branding.
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 18:53:46 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Spotify has a much larger user base right now and they partner with more applications and services than competitors.
They are also not making profit and their main competitor is rapidly gaining ground in terms of userbase. Oh and their competitor is the largest company in the world and has an almost infinite stockpile of cash and profit it can use to outlast competitors....
Cuw ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 18:27:05 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I think Apple actually makes money from Apple Music, which isnโt really a surprise. They just get better access to licensing deals since they have been the industry standard for 15 years. Google and Amazon subsidize their shit and use it as a loss leader.
Spotify is fucked, they lost $581M last year, -and they canโt raise their price because they donโt offer anything that justifies a higher price than google, amazon, or Apple.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:01:43 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I disagree. If it proves to be a better service I would pay more than Apple Music to use it. I hate the interface and music takes too long to buffer.
Plus Spotify has a killer recommendation engine and lets me know about bands I listen to performing nearby.
ABaseDePopopopop ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:41:15 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I would pay slightly more just because it's not going into a tech giant monopoly. But most people wouldn't.
chic_luke ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 14:24:45 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Well, I've got my backup plan should that happen. Sucks for them, I'll get even deeper into the Google ecosystem I already use for everything else anyway. And I won't have to use their crappy Electron app on my computers
ReggieJ ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 16:30:27 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I use GPM for this reason but my friends all use Spotify and honestly, I would too if I wasn't so far embedded in Google's ecosystem otherwise.
Jaggedmallard26 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 18:57:01 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Spotify isn't Electron, the back end is C++ and the front end is CEF. If it was Electron it'd be significantly less lightweight.
chic_luke ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 22:41:53 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Doesn't it still use Chromium UI layers though? On both my computers (laptop: 7th Generation Intel Core i5 "Kaby Lake" + 8GB RAM; desktop: AMD A4-6300, NVidia 610, 8GB RAM) it's easily the heaviest and slowest App I have. It really is chunky
im_not_a_racist_butt ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:35:11 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
If they want to recover that lost money by raising their prices, good fucking luck because I know I and a lot of other people will ditch that service the second it happens. Music should not cost as much as Netflix.
beowolfey ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 15:33:12 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The flip side of having shit security is they have a really awesome open API for creating third party apps for streaming or other things. I made a quick script that automatically crawls new record releases and makes a playlist in my account for me. That's an amazing capability. It's easy to crack down on security by closing the API, but we really don't want that to happen. It would ruin a lot of what they are doing that's awesome.
chic_luke ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:36:13 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Didn't APIs require Spotify Premium anyway, or most of 'em? When I didn't have Premium I remember not being able to log into with Spotify into anything.
beowolfey ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:56:50 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, lots of them do -- I think some of them are open though. IIRC that's why the ad-free spotify players can work, but don't quote me on that!
chic_luke ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:13:17 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
That would be interesting. Dogfood is open source, but I am completely incompetent with code so I can't read it. What I thought it did was convince Spotify that you're using a tablet, did that change?
[deleted] ยท 61 points ยท Posted at 14:03:50 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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tellymundo ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 15:40:15 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Unless you have a vast library of stuff not found on Spotify, it is the much better option.
I use both, Spotify at work and GPM everywhere else. Works just fine for me, and I keep all my offline stuff synced across every device with Google Play Music.
ColtonC2 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:09:52 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Spotify also has a cap on the amount of music you can have. Iโm probably going to switch soon because I keep running out of space and deleting old stuff
IvanKozlov ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:43:30 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Or you enjoy the YouTube Red sub that also comes free with Google play music.
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 16:54:48 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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EnemyOfEloquence ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:32:58 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Like the USA?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:41:00 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yes. If Google did red worldwide it'd take off. Like Amazon prime packages and TV and music all in one.
tellymundo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:55:36 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Which is also amazing!
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[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:56:11 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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SocraticMethHead ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:20:04 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Wait what. Google's is way better than Spotify.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:41:17 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
In what sense are Google's curated playlist better? I tried GPM for a year and the curation was way behind the quality of Spotify.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:44:22 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I've found that Spotify tends to play me the same music all the time, while Google will introduce new music... Sometimes that's good. Sometimes it isn't.
bananabm ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:09:48 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Completely unsubstantiated, but I feel like Spotify changed up their discover weekly album in Jan this year - I now get a much wider net of songs that I've never heard of by artists I don't know, whereas I used to get Julian Casablancas all the god damned time.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:01:19 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I've had the complete opposite experience. GPM radio streams never played new songs and the curated playlists just seemed completely arbitrary. I've restarted my Spotify subscription for two weeks now and both of my Discover Weekly playlists have introduced me to more music than GPM ever did.
For the year I used GPM my library stagnated the most in my entire life.
NyashaT ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:45:45 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Plus that 10mb per hour data usage is godly in africa
alienwraith ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:17:04 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
GPMs been fine, overall, in terms of recommendations. And i just bounce over to Pandora for better discoveries whenever i feel the need. There's so much new music coming down this funnel that I really can't keep up.
Spotify would probably require weeks of training because it hasn't seemed to figure out what I want yet
Snflrr ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:38:51 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I've had the opposite experience; Spotify's auto-playlists always gave me songs/bands I'd heard before, and GPM was really good about giving me stuff I'd never even heard of before. What type of music were you listening to that GPM was giving you a bad selection of?
SnipingNinja ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 14:59:54 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Google should buy them honestly ๐
paralnova ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 15:30:21 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Then spotify would die probably and be replaced with 4 new music apps. Google...
[deleted] ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 15:54:41 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Don't they have their own music app ? Apple has one too. I guess maybe FB could buy them.
Azerty__ ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 16:04:11 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Please don't let FB buy Spotify. Let it die before that happens that way I won't have to deal with switching while knowing it still exists at least.
ReggieJ ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:29:16 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
GPM costs about the same per month, doesn't it?
chic_luke ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:14:47 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, the conversation is about what I will do if Spotify decides to raise the price of Premium.
What does this mean? Netflix jacks up the prices? Sucks to be you! You can leave, but if you want to keep watching you're gonna need to suck it up. Spotify got more expensive? This would be a perfect way to cause a mass exodus to other services, which, by the way, are on users' faces on behalf of the ecosystem they use.
This means that 100% of tablets and smartphones sold in the last 2-3 years and probably a lot of even older ones have a perfectly good Spotify alternative already installed on them, which also happens to be the default Music App, which users are naturally going to useโฆ and look at the Apple/Music Premium ads very frequently.
If Spotify has the clout to have users download and use it even though an alternative comes with their device and is heavily in their face, they are in a great, but delicate, situation that they don't want to risk. Apple Music and Google Play Music are holding them ransom - they have to stay super on the same side to not get annihilated by the two of them in a matter of weeks. It would be like Google decided to make Chrome paid - it has enough clout for users to take the time to ditch Edge and Safari to use it, which is really impressive, but they wanna keep it that way.
That, and entire companies and services have been founded to automate import and export of music libraries across those services. That's fantastic for the user, since switching from any service to another is 10 minutes's work and you don't lose anything. That's why nobody has upped the prices or done anything stupid yet - this market is super hungry, and if you fuck up and anger the users you have 6 different services stealing you paying customersfd
Snflrr ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:24:17 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Go ahead and switch over. Its Podcast search function is MUCH better, and you get YouTube Red free with GPM.
tafoya77n ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:00:29 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
If you have amazon prime their music service is also pretty awesome and included without adds. You can pay like $8 a month to get an expanded library, but I've been using it for 2 years and haven't really run into anything I honestly miss.
chic_luke ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:40:05 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I'm in Europe - good idea. I checked, I have Prime and it doesn't come with music (it's just โฌ36/year in italy, not โฌ120 like in the US) but I can have it for less if I have Prime! They also have a UWP App for Windows, which is attractive.
threedowg ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:01:45 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Spotify is so much better than all of the alternatives, but if they raise the prices I'm in a similar boat, I won't be able to justify paying more. I'll just have to deal with the ads, or download music like in the olden days which I really don't want to do.
Januwary9 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:01:55 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You wouldn't use a different streaming service?
threedowg ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:10:58 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
To be fair I should try! I tried Google Play which was pretty terrible, had a free 6 months of Apple Music but preferred using Spotify, and nobody's recommended any others to me so assumed the alternatives would be sub-par.
JConSc2 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:00:58 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I have my Google play music up all day at work. Personally for no ads at only $10 a month it's totally worth it. Especially when you consider you get YouTube red with it
Iohet ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:29:43 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Between Spotify, Pandora, Slacker, Amazon Music Unlimited, Google Play Music, Apple Music, Tidal, and still more services, there's plenty of ways to price shop. Spotify is the most expensive of the bunch, to be honest.
helzar42 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:02:35 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Lol how is Spotify more expensive than Tidal. Spotify, Play, and Apple are the only big players for streaming where you get to choose what to listen to exactly.
Iohet ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:25:36 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Uhm, you can do that with Amazon Music Unlimited, Slacker, and others as well.
antifolkhero ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:13:01 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Especially after eliminating good feature after good feature. Spotify is giving you less for your money seemingly every month.
Sysion ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:04:52 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
More cost = more pirates
More pirates = more cost
Derik_D ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:16:53 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
What annoys me is the price difference between countries. I wonder if the new European laws that prevent online merchants from geoblocking will make them have the same price in the whole EU.
snuflswasmyslavename ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 16:34:28 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Does it also annoy you to have 1300 EUR minimum wage and 2500 EUR average wage (per month), as opposed to 400 and 800?
tempinator ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:37:56 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
rekt
Derik_D ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:34:20 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Of course it does. The EU should work to become uniform in wages and taxes.
Meanwhile because it is open we have the possibility of moving around to go after the better conditions but that is not ideal. The final objective has to be making the conditions equal for all.
HighProductivity ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 16:54:17 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Fuck off man, we can't afford your prices.
tempinator ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 17:38:40 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Exactly. People complaining about different parts of the EU having different pricing, while completely ignoring the fact that wages in different places are radically different, is just moronic.
Derik_D ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:27:38 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
In my opinion for an online service it should not matter where you are from. It should cost the same everywhere. There are no countries on the Internet just sites based in a country.
The price should just be where the country it is from. Spotify is a US company, the price should be the US price everywhere.
Derik_D ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:23:38 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Hey I mean it should go down overall not up.
Isildur13 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:47:10 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Dear Derik_D,
While the eastern europian wages are the fracture of the western ones, please let us keep this 5 euro discount.
Derik_D ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:32:41 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I understand mate I do. Hopefully the overall price would go down because of the potential of opening to more customers. But companies are greedy.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:33:45 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Their main income is through ads and subscriptions though, why would a increased subscription fee not be warranted in this scenario? I mean, I don't want to pay more than I already do either, but if a company is getting fucked like this.. then it would only make sense for them to do something about it. And the easiest way of doing it would be to raise the price.
I mean, it sucks that it's the people that are already supporting them that have to get fucked, especially when it's the poor or greedy cunts that are causing the issue.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:07:19 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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squrr1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:57:37 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Personally I own about 80% of my Spotify library. The price is rather hefty for iPod replacement.
Fidodo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:43:39 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
That'd be dumb. Instead they should just fix their tech.
E5150_Julian ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:47:01 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
they kinda have to, they make no profit and it's gonna get worse. best case scenario for them is to get bought out by someone bigger or find people willing to pay more.
FakeNameDude ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:58:38 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Because $10 a month for unlimited music is a lot?
travis- ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:03:22 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I just go on ebay and for 50 bucks CAD, some dude will pay for a full year for you. I mean, my location says im in the Philippines but its a full year.
Handy_Dude ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:40:08 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Just join the ad block club if the do.
tehbored ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:42:10 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
They're going to have to raise the price. It's not sustainable at the current price. I think their plan is to get people locked in with their trained song recommendation algorithms and the fact that they have all your playlists. Tbh, I think it's a good idea, and I'd pay an extra $2 if they raised it. Artists barely make anything even if they get millions of listens as it is.
sjcqs ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:13:31 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You should expect the price to raise. Low prices for streaming services are there to attract and retains clients. There are either losing or not making a lot of money right now but will increase price as time in the future.
Ikea_Man ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:25:50 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
they'd immediately lose me as a customer if this happened
don't punish your paying customers because of pirates
jenbanim ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:36:13 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I wouldn't mind paying more for Spotify premium. I get way more than $10/mo worth of entertainment out of it. And I certainly don't want them to go bankrupt.
berock212 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:50:28 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
They probably make almost fuck all from the ads. It's probably mostly to encourage people to get premium.
stjensen ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:12:28 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
If you go to college they should still have the deal to half the subscription and free hulu added with it. So that is some cool stuff.
nondescripthuman711 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:20:23 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You are crazy! And right! I also hope they don't raise the price!
_axaxaxax ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:35:57 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
They had a loss of 1.2 billion last year and are going public. Definitely a price increase on the way.
gabrielr7637 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:00:51 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Exactly, Spotify is one of the few things besides credit card bills and my cell phone that pay for services wise, since 2012
tobiasvl ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:03:36 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I'd be perfectly fine with a higher price. I'm not sure how much a service like Spotify is worth for me, but more than I'm paying now, that's for sure. The only thing I hate about Spotify is how they can't decide what features to keep and add at any given time, they're like Google's messaging app team (yes, I know there's more than one such team, which is the problem).
sildurin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:01:33 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I rarely use Spotify, but starting from now I'm going to stop using ad blockers in Spotify.
brian_lopes ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:32:51 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
If they raise it Iโm out
casemodz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:21:34 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Points*
NVRLand ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:58:48 on March 26, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
They will have to. No way they can turn a profit with the current model. Hopefully they will just add features to some kind of extra premium rather than increasing the price of regular premium
jonmlm ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:02:46 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Meh, I'd pay at least double for ad-free access to every album I ever want to listen to.
dippa_ ยท 2663 points ยท Posted at 13:57:09 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I can see why they would want to ban that, but the people they are banning are not going to pay for the subscription they will either find another way or another app.
Best solution for Spotify is to improve their ads so they arn't so jarring, listening to a song and then having an ad blast on with a completely differn't tone and volume level is really jarring.
veriix ยท 782 points ยท Posted at 14:39:41 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
NSFW language
Schniceguy ยท 125 points ยท Posted at 15:10:53 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Lol that's great!
MurderMelon ยท 109 points ยท Posted at 15:57:11 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The guy is Gus Johnson. All of his videos are fucking gold.
[edit] shoutout /u/gusthedanger
gusthedanger ยท 228 points ยท Posted at 16:14:11 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Bless you, my dude.
[deleted] ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 18:24:20 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I listen to your fake couples of Facebook video at least 3 times a day. Also the broccoli video... It's mesmerizing.
We're together yes we're dating and it's going really bad etc etc. So good.
killinmesmalls ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 18:29:06 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
No Gus, bless you, you beautiful animal.
asodfhgiqowgrq2piwhy ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:42:21 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Don't you have a cat you need to look at sternly or something?
Redrum714 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:37:02 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Love you too bro
Krypticore ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 16:51:55 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
A wild Gus has appeared! He used memes! They were super effective...
velocity92c ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:41:32 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I was confused for a minute thinking that the basketball play by play dude was a YouTuber and redditor until I actually watched the video.
Givants ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:44:37 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Wanna do a colab? I mean I don't make any videos or anything, but we can colab on some food next time you're in LA
downztiger ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:07:34 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Do more 15-30 sec my dude. That's where your content, and wit truly shine. That broccoli video is the first of yours that I saw, and it been a Rollercoaster ride since. And no I don't want any broccoli.
McCardboard ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:28:05 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
A lot of his stuff, as well as other similar artists can be found at r/youtubehaiku. Stumbled on the sub last week and found hours of hilarity.
bwgulixk ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 21:42:18 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I need an extension that could replace all Spotify ads with that
Ptizzl ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:34:05 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
This is hilarious.
Honest question. I have had premium for so long that I just donโt know the answer. How often do they bug you while listening?
GensouEU ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:24:05 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Once every 30 minutes iirc
juwiz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:07:57 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
This is gold haha
[deleted] ยท -7 points ยท Posted at 18:09:23 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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General_Landry ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 23:58:45 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
That's literally the dumbest thing I've ever heard.
FuzzelFox ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:10:57 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It gives a demo by letting you shuffle play everything on mobile and that's it. It's literally a subscription only service beyond that.
Loserwing ยท 151 points ยท Posted at 14:46:46 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
"THE NEXT AD WILL BE WITHIN 30 MINUTES FREE" AND THEN THEY DELIEVER IT AFTER THE NEXT SONG.
What_Is_X ยท 86 points ยท Posted at 15:30:16 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Each ad more cringe worthy than the last to motivate you to buy premium
sur_surly ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 16:27:17 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Do they run any ads that aren't related to buying premium?
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 19:44:33 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, but not as many
thestriver ยท 225 points ยท Posted at 14:19:09 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I'm completely fine with ads it's just the forced shuffle play that I hate. If the phone version was like the tablet version, I'd have no problems. The ads aren't too bad either because you get constant opportunities to skip them for 30 minutes
What_Is_X ยท 181 points ยท Posted at 15:32:33 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It's bizarre that using the exact same service on a desktop or a tablet or phone confers different arbitrary restrictions
Uhhbysmal ยท 120 points ยท Posted at 16:36:35 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
"your screen is too small to select the music you'd like :)"
03Titanium ยท 49 points ยท Posted at 17:26:35 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
โI know youโre probably driving so unlock your phone and click the 30 second ad for free listening, if not, Iโll give you 30 seconds of ads anywayโ
luningaming ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:15:01 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Chuckled at the :)
4K77 ยท 29 points ยท Posted at 14:29:11 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Does the free tablet version not force shuffle?
thestriver ยท 69 points ยท Posted at 15:12:39 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah. It has unlimited skips and no forced shuffle
4K77 ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 15:45:04 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Just checked, it forces shuffle
thestriver ยท 24 points ยท Posted at 15:56:42 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I use it all the time on an iPad Air 2 and there is no forced shuffle. I don't think it's different between iOS and Android. What tablet are you using it on?
SolidCake ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 17:08:59 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
God dammit. I'm guessing it's like this because phone users spoofed it so they got the tablet version on mobile. Guess that's how hey solved that
mattmonkey24 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 18:36:26 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Can confirm that at least some users hacked the tablet version into running on other devices
But realistically speaking there are other Spotify clients out there that still let people listen for free
InsaneTomato95 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 20:34:04 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
What are their names and where are they. I only ask so that I can avoid them
RichardEruption ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:06:03 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Just commenting so I can also know where to avoid.
re_flex ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:23:41 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Older versions of the app let you do it... If you close it during an ad and then open it again.
TreatmentForYourRash ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 17:52:52 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I use it on my tablet all the time on Spotify free, I can play whatever I want and skip as many times as I want to.
PointyOintment ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:30:08 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You can disable shuffling after you start listening
9000cody ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 14:46:20 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
No
4K77 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:36:25 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The other dude says yes Edit: I just checked on my tablet, it forces shuffle
9000cody ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:57:11 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Wow I don't know when they changed that but that's stupid.
424f42_424f42 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 16:58:09 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Kinda ... The 30 minutes ad free seems to not work (get another ad in way less than 30 minutes) kinda often. (And is why I don't but it ... Dont trust it)
dubman42 ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 16:02:35 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The shuffle function is totally broken anyway. If you have 600 songs in your playlist, it's only shuffling 50 of them and repeats. So fucking stupid.
Solid_Freakin_Snake ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:18:00 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I like using my PS4 to control what song I want then sending it to my phone. Obviously only works at home, but it makes cleaning the house a bit less miserable.
DonCorleowned ยท 90 points ยท Posted at 15:47:47 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
DID YOU KNOW THAT 80% PERCENT OF MEN LOSE THEIR HAIR AT AGE 35? THAT'S NOT EVEN THAT OLD. YOUR HAIR IS YOUR LIFE IT IS YOUR ONLY CHANCE OF FINDING HAPPINESS" As screeched into your ear by an over sized Brooklyn goblin.
squrr1 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 19:57:30 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
ARE YOU STILL GOING TO THE POST OFFICE, YOU HEATHEN?
moom ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 19:21:17 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
No, that's a normal-sized Brooklyn goblin. We grow 'em big here.
[deleted] ยท 1160 points ยท Posted at 14:04:47 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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pythor ยท 506 points ยท Posted at 14:22:34 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The thing is that it leads to new customers later. College kid gets spotify, gets his friend to set up the ad blocking. For a couple years, he's building playlists and linking devices to his spotify account. Then he graduates, gets a job, and a new computer. He's go money now, so instead of trying to find that hack his friend did, he just signs up for the $5 a month or whatever.
memphislynx ยท 68 points ยท Posted at 15:26:53 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The main difference between dog food Spotify and typical pirating is that it costs Spotify money to stream music to the non paying users. Iโm sure this is a small amount, but Spotify has decided that the chance of possible future users is not worth the price of streaming to pirates.
[deleted] ยท 22 points ยท Posted at 17:19:55 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 18:01:28 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The bandwidth to send a song is going to be something like 1/200th of a penny; a cloud instance to serve a song is going to be like 1/500th of a penny.
Personnel is going to be the only one that might impact the cost per song, but when we view personnel as a fixed cost (because we need the fixed infrastructure to support paying customers) and songs as essentially requiring no marginal personnel (which is true -- they require a handful of staff per 10,000 concurrent requests marginally), then costs are almost entirely dominated by those royalties.
If you lost $450mil the previous year, then saving $10mil by driving off 2mil active users (3% of your user base!) is a stupid fucking business plan. It's the epitome of "penny wise, pound foolish".
stormpaint ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:38:23 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
If the 2m users were never a source of income then why would Spotify care if they're gone? Spotify is already ubiquitous enough that it doesn't need to spread via word of mouth
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:43:09 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I don't agree with either of your premises: I believe they are an indirect source of income (eg, getting friends to join) and completely disagree that Spotify doesn't need a good social reputation.
In fact, I think it's exactly the opposite -- the kind of people who are in the 1% of users that bother to block ads are going to be the most engaged and pro-active users, who will agitate their friends to use the "latest and greatest", which just happens to be whatever they're using; and Spotify in tight competition with other music streaming services critically depends on its reputation among users and especially among those very same trendsetters who are over-represented among that 1% of users who avoid ads.
stormpaint ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:51:20 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It has over 150 million active users and a huge chunk of that is premium users who are just as, if not more likely to share positive opinions about Spotify and are going to contribute way more to Spotify's image. I think you're over-valuing these users, here. That tiny subset sharing about the "latest and greatest" might matter if this was a niche product but again, Spotify is already has over 150 million active users. Not to mention their largest competitors are also generally already paid services. It's not like these people would suddenly switch to those services.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:55:31 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You're welcome to disagree, but empirically, driving off power-users has rarely been a healthy sign for a platform.
stormpaint ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:57:00 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Sure but these 2 million are hardly a significant portion of the power users, either. Over 70 million pay for premium and that's a way bigger chunk.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:26:49 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Those 2 million are going to be densely power users, while the 70 million are going to be substantially average users.
I mean, you can disagree -- but statistically, those 2 million people putting in the effort to avoid ads are probably something like 10-20% of the service's power users.
I expect that we'll see something like 7-14 million premium members depart with them, because music is largely fungible, while community isn't.
moarbewbs ยท 642 points ยท Posted at 14:45:38 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
This is the same reason why Photoshop is now the industry standard.
Make it easy to crack -> every beginner (students, hobbyists, ..) can use it for free -> when those people become professionals they use the tool they're used to -> next generations of professionals are all on Photoshop.
HnNaldoR ยท 47 points ยท Posted at 15:05:59 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It's also supposedly what Microsoft did. They do not crack down hard on piracy in many developing countries in the past. People get used to windows and do not wish to switch. Same for office.
THE_MAGIC_OF_REALITY ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 15:48:48 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Same with people reselling OEM keys for $2. Or heck, then straight up giving W10 away for free. Most of their money comes from bulk sales to businesses anyways, so as far as consumers go they just want people to be used to their OS.
WintendoU ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:55:14 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
W10 is still free, but its mostly because they did nothing to fix the problems that come from updating hardware that deactivate your windows. Without keeping some avenue for reapplying the free upgrade to 10 from previous versions, they would get inundated with people bitching about how a harddrive failure means they now have to buy retail windows 10 when they already had windows 10.
coopdude ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:53:22 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
OEM Activation 3.0 is pretty forgiving so long as you don't change the motherboard, change the mobo and you're fucked without an original license key. That being said MS has been pretty forgiving on reactivating OEM licenses if you pinky promise that it's the closest available replacement hardware on the phone.
Win10 upgrade was a shitshow, they upgraded my mother's computer (had a Radeon 3850 that had no real Win10 driver, only the basic one provided by Microsoft and compatibility was garbage) and tried to upgrade my father's (with an Intel based RAID1 that did not have a driver for Win10, I'm sure it would have collapsed mid-upgrade and his RAID toast).
Win10 is harder in some ways though. When they started with Win8 the licenses became individual mobo based keys instead of one key for all manufacturers in the BIOS (like XP, Vista, Win 7 had). Originally the OEMs transferred the keys by inputting the keys from the prior BIOS into the new one, but the last time I had a mobo replacement from Dell they gave me a crappy white sticker with a serial, barcode, and product key on it, and a warning that if I need to reinstall Win10, that I will need to enter that key or re-purchase Windows if I lost it... looks really nice on the bottom of my black laptop with all other labeling lightish gold otherwise...
WintendoU ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:23:35 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Which you definitely change. People who game change mobos. Their activation basically only lets you replace a failed component with the same thing. Anything else and it deactivates. That is absurd. It even does this despite backing up your license on your live account. I personally don't get what the purpose of the license backup even is.
I upgraded my mom's zotac bookshelf pc 3 months ago. It runs way better on windows 10 than 7. Of course I jumped over the intermediate versions of 10 that had issues.
Take an image and put it in your email or on google drive. Relying on the sticker is bad because they tend to rub off anyways.
coopdude ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:27:48 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It'll reactivate if you're on a retail key, which is more expensive than an OEM key. OEM is locked to the mobo, except you can cajole MS phone reps into generally reactivating OEM keys anyways (retail will just reactivate on a new mobo anyways, unless you try to reactivate the same retail key two days in a row).
Depends on the hardware, my build from late 2014 (Haswell based) runs way better on 10 than 8/8.1, but older hardware doesn't fare so well.
WintendoU ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:33:05 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Not acceptable. Changing the mobo should not invalidate your windows.
Semont ยท 85 points ยท Posted at 14:58:26 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Especially when it becomes so big that their sales are less reliant on the individual but more to studios and larger companies that hire the kids who grew up using their software for free.
TEOn00b ยท 69 points ยท Posted at 15:36:11 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Same thing with Microsoft Office. They give it to you for free at even the slightest hint that you might be a student. Then the employers need to buy it because those students are used to it.
That and the fact that, unlike Photoshop, the "competition" is absolutely shite.
skulblaka ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 17:53:25 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
LibreOffice and Google Docs/Sheets/Slides are both very good (and free!) alternatives to a traditional Microsoft Office. The "competition" is quite competitive, the reason nobody uses them is because LibreOffice is in the domain of Linux nerds and business owners/employees haven't heard of it, and nobody uses Docs/Sheets/Slides because they've all been trained in Microsoft Office and can't/won't change.
I'm currently looking into trying to get everyone at my job off of Office and into Google, and if it works out, it could save the company tens of thousands of dollars per year. The competition is quite competitive, they just aren't household names like Office is because every accountant in the world has been using Excel since '95 and every high school student with a knack for computers was taught Office in school.
Caststarman ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 18:49:25 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
My highschool experience was almost exclusively Google docs and stuff. Middle school, we transitioned into using the Google office suite.
In college, it was back to MS because of the professors and also the weird printing
jhdragon742 ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 19:17:47 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Honestly I'd use Google Docs and stuff more, but I had a terrible time trying to get margins to print correctly, and my teachers/profs were/are strict about that so back to Office I went.
pablossjui ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 21:55:22 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
They are not that good alternatives honestly. Maybe if you only made simple documents sure
Word is the only one that runs beautifully the other ones can be laggy and stuttery depending on your hardware.
I'm not saying it's the best word processor, but it's the best option by far for .docx files
[deleted] ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 19:26:04 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 10:03:55 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
What do you mean? What specifically? I use it all the time and have never had any issues.
BoomKidneyShot ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:49:38 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I'm beginning to use LaTeX for my daily drivers.
As far as I know there is nothing like Excel for LaTeX, but for Word/PowerPoint replacement it's pretty good.
xyl0ph0ne ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:46:09 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
LibreWrite is just as good as Word now.
curious_Jo ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 04:01:01 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
OpenOffice is the best.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:37:13 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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curious_Jo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:48:35 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
What's free and better? I'll try it and report back.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:59:19 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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curious_Jo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:07:42 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
True. If I was working with it, I would pay for Excel. But for my home needs OpenOffice is perfect.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 10:06:21 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
OpenOffice is no longer supported. LibreOffice is the same, but faster, updated, and with dev support.
bearvsshaan ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 16:39:54 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Sure, but this will never happen with Spotify. Spotify is a tool for primarily consumption. It's not Ableton. Speaking of Ableton Live, Ableton Live has never been easy to crack, and they've still become close to the industry standard for electronic music creation. Your statement makes sense in the context of Photoshop, but I don't know if it translates to music
chaoshavok ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 17:41:31 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The music industry isn't anywhere near that homogeneous
bearvsshaan ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:52:39 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Agreed, was just giving an example. Also, the reason that the music industry isn't homogenous is not related to whether the programs were easy to crack, so I think we're on the same page.
IvanDSM_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:57:09 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I think Ableton Live is the standard DAW only for EDM kind of stuff. Otherwise, Pro Tools rules the game.
bearvsshaan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:33:22 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Agreed - that's why I said production and not recording, I should have been more clear though.
IvanDSM_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:56:36 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Oh crap, I am the one to apologise here. You said "electronic music creation". When I read that quickly I didn't see the "electronic". My correction was unnecessary. Sorry!
usernamewillendabrup ยท 292 points ยท Posted at 14:57:58 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I guess the difference is that Spotify is not exactly for industry.
Squadeep ยท 201 points ยท Posted at 15:19:30 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Tell that to every single person at my company listening to it 8 hours a day while they work
FadedMaster1 ยท 53 points ยท Posted at 15:25:39 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
If only I could get my employer to pay for it. Haha.
navjot94 ยท 99 points ยท Posted at 15:34:23 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Tbh, Spotify should work on corporate packages or something. It's a incentive workplaces could offer and gets people hooked on their service.
typtyphus ยท 47 points ยท Posted at 15:49:23 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
spotify already has subscription models for businesses
and they're far cheaper than Xenox media. We overpay for pretty much everything, but wages need to be cut to reduce costs. Go figure...
Bagel_Technician ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 18:14:20 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Isn't this targeted more for business that intend to play Spotify in their store or something like that?
CraigslistAxeKiller ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:26:24 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Isnโt that just for places that play music in a lobby/waiting area?
typtyphus ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:34:09 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
also restaurants, offices ect., for entire corp, you'd have to contact them. probably for a better deal.
So not entirely
Drewsipher ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 15:46:06 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It'd be great in retail places... Spend a day in a best buy with the audio on the regular radio and you'd be DYING for new music cycled in holy shit.
EnolaLGBT ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 16:03:45 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The average customer isnโt in the store long enough to hear a repeat, so thereโs little justification to paying for more variety.
Drewsipher ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:15:20 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Right but the employees are which can easily become your advocates for the service.l so Spotify and Best Buy/Target and such can partner easily. Also I'm sure customers notice Los Lonely Boys being played out...
ryansworld10 ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 16:09:34 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I think he's talking about for employees
EnolaLGBT ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:12:34 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I understand that but Best Buy isnโt gonna spend a penny on employees that it doesnโt see improving the bottom line.
PaintedSloth ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:54:02 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Companies don't give a shit about their employees unless you make them.
IndyDude11 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 17:22:11 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You think the regular radio is bad? Try working in Electronics at Target and listening to the same 30 minute video over and over and over again 40 hours a week.
jWreck92 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:28:13 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
They actually already do that. The one place I know of that does this is Starbucks. If you work there you get a free premium account.
Orolol ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:40:04 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Mine do. I use deezer because i'm too lazy to remake all my playlists. I hate myself.
versusChou ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:15:33 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
My employer specifically blocks it.
mattmonkey24 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:33:48 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
If you work for Starbucks they'll pay for your Spotify
saml01 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:32:45 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
If you can justify it as a work related expense, you can write it off on your taxes.
Knappsterbot ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 15:58:26 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
...That's not what they mean.
JebBartlet ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:58:53 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I get the point you and /u/usernamewillendabrup are making with Spotify not being directly related to an industry like digital design but what really disqualifies spotify as an enterprise service? The licensing is individual, sure, but I've seen plenty of people integrate it as part of their workflow while working for fortune 100 companies.
Knappsterbot ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:21:41 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Photoshop is for the design industry, Spotify is not for the music industry
universum-cerebrum ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 15:28:18 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Apple Music is growing at a faster rate than Spotify
trollxic ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 15:51:25 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
So is my startup that grew from 1 to 10 users since yesterday
ttankdestroyer ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:52:36 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
In US only
dubman42 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:59:08 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You're right. The Total Available Market is WAY bigger than any industry specific app!
slippy11 ยท 24 points ยท Posted at 15:16:32 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
But Adobe doesn't have to pay royalties to the music industry everytime someone uses Photoshop for all those years. So it doesn't make much sense for Spotify to allow that hoping for people to use it later.
Boldizzle ยท 37 points ยท Posted at 15:00:31 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Spotify isn't a development/publishing tool so this comparison isn't the same.
WilliamGuerra ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 15:31:24 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
just because they aren't identical doesn't mean they can't be compared
I think its a pretty good assessment of these business models
bearvsshaan ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 16:40:44 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
How? You don't make anything with Spotify. Making it easier to crack doesn't give you allegiance to the platform, because it isn't like you're spending time learning professional tools in an environment you become loyal to.
WilliamGuerra ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 17:30:24 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
its about the users being familiar with a product, not what they do with it
bearvsshaan ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 17:54:16 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Have you ever actually used a DAW or a production program like Photoshop? It's not at all analogous. Not even remotely. Switching from Spotify to Google Music is way less difficult than switching from Cubase to Logic (to use a music production example, since that's what I'm familiar with).
It makes sense if you think about it on even a basic level. The functionality you need is far more complex in an industry production program than in a music player.
WilliamGuerra ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:08:44 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not sure how that matters, but I've used PS since CS3, and messed around in Ableton, Reason, and FL Studio
of course its easier to switch from spotify to google play music than it is between more complex apps like that... the only argument that is being made is that if you offer a free version of service, and people continue to use it for years, they are likely to continue using that if they are looking to upgrade to a premium paid service.
bearvsshaan ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:32:02 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I see what you're saying, I'm just saying theres more incentive to stick with what you've got and pay for it when it's something like PS or a DAW... The people that can't shell out $5-10 for spotify premium are far more likely to just find another free solution.
PointyOintment ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:32:05 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It doesn't matter how difficult it is relative to making some other switch in some other field. What matters is that switching to GPM and rebuilding all of your playlists is more difficult than paying $10/mo (for many people).
bearvsshaan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:39:56 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
no, of course it matters, what kind of fucking stupid logic is that?
how hard it is to switch absolutely matters.
ase1590 ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 17:58:44 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
and yet lots of programmers will be listening to music on spotify while they code, so much so its just now part of their "work flow".
So while spotify produces nothing, its absolutely used by people who are using different tools to produce something.
not to mention the playlists they build which would be annoying to port over to some other service.
nobody likes to disrupt their workflow unless they have to.
bearvsshaan ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:33:05 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I've worked in web dev as well so I see what you are saying, but it's inherently different. The creation isn't being done in Spotify as an application. I'm talking more about switching IDEs or something, to use a programming example (I'm not much of a programmer but I think that should clarify what I mean)
s73v3r ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 17:24:51 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Adobe doesn't have to pay every time a pirate uses their software. Spotify does.
WilliamGuerra ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 17:29:15 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
yes that is just one of the differences, but I think the main point is about retaining a user base with familiarity. even if it costs more to do so on one platform than the other
XXX_is_my_grandaddy ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 16:36:47 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It absolutely fits. That's almost the same exact model and using it specifically for industry doesn't really matter
Boldizzle ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:09:45 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It doesnt fit though.
Using Photoshop because it's what you're used to is vastly different because it's something that requires a lot of time and skill to master so it makes sense that you'd stick to it as your preferred software if it's what you've always used.
Using Spotify and any other music service doesn't have a steep learning curve. All you do is search for your music and start playing so it being "what you're used to" doesn't apply nearly as much as it does to using Photoshop.
PointyOintment ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:33:51 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
People are used to using Spotify. They don't want the uncertainty and (possibly small, but they don't know that for sure) learning curve of switching to another service.
People have their playlists on Spotify. They don't want to go through the effort of rebuilding them all.
XXX_is_my_grandaddy ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 18:11:19 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It's not about what the app is used for at all, Jesus christ yall art students getting so salty
Boldizzle ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:34:35 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I wasnt talking about the what the app is used for, I was talking about how much or a learning curve there is to using it, there's a difference.
But if you want to use the original example I was arguing against as a way to make yourself sleep better at night when pirating a service, good for you.
s73v3r ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:25:34 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
If it fits so well, then what's Adobe's version of having to pay royalties every time a pirated copy of Photoshop is used?
XXX_is_my_grandaddy ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 18:10:41 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
This isn't relevant anymore lol
[deleted] ยท 34 points ยท Posted at 15:13:34 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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MurderMelon ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 15:59:48 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Hold up. You can just download CS2 directly from Adobe?
In2TheDay ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:43:45 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yep, totally free.
Adnotamentum ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:48:29 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Enjoy.
UpsideDownRain ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:44:33 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yes. However, it says:
So like you better watch out they might check if you really need "current use of these products" because otherwise big daddy adobe gonna come after you.
Anyway here's the link: https://www.adobe.com/downloads/other-downloads.html
BigPorch ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:47:51 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I don't think so, cs2 is ancient and outdated, that would be a random one for them to be giving away. But you can always download the current version of any of their programs and start a 30 day free trial. And if you're crafty there's ways to extend that
Aarinfel ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:24:00 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I wish Autodesk would do this...
ushutuppicard ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:50:59 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
f autodesk in its asshole.
In2TheDay ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:43:18 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
If I recall correctly, they have never profited. Spotify's days are limited and they will die overnight f they don't act fast. They need to diverge from music streaming and introduce more original content, obtain more exclusives, and start selling devices or products that have nice margins. If they don't do these things, they will remain unprofitable, uncompetitive, and stagnate. Wall Street will rip them apart.
WintendoU ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:46:10 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Netflix charged 10 bucks a month for a cable tv replacement and you are claiming 10 bucks isn't ridiculously profitable for music? Ha.
DeepGhosts ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 15:34:14 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Explain me something please, you may know that certain phone makers have their own music software and users are free to use it without any cost and can download just about any music they wish. Is that stealing to you?
VictoriousRaptor ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:35:44 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Did you rip your own? Or did you hit up iso hunt and grab the latest upload for an album you dont own? One is alright, the other is stealing.
This isn't some lesson in semantics. If you steal, steal with pride. Stop doing mental leaps to justify it to everyone else.
DeepGhosts ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 15:38:09 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I'm just trying to make the point that some people happen to own models which includes stock software (mind you its proprietary to the phone maker) and that allows users to freely download music. I'm not doing leaps or trying to justify others, I'm pointing out that there are many ways where people can acquire music for free in a legal way.
s73v3r ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 17:27:13 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
In that case, the manufacturer either paid up front for that, which means the price of those licenses is baked into the cost of the handset, or they're straight up encouraging piracy. The first is ok, the second isn't.
skulblaka ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:55:48 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
And the second will get them shut down pretty quick, I'd imagine. You paid for that app.
DeepGhosts ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:34:58 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Like I said the app is embedded within the phone OS, its literally a stock app which cannot be uninstalled unless you flash the rom. The only thing the app has which is paid doesn't even work which all it does is give you access to higher quality files.
skulblaka ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:44:46 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
That's what I mean by "you paid for that app". Nothing is ever free, especially when it explicitly gets you more free stuff.
mrjackspade ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:01:37 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
IIRC this is the exact reason MS has free (mostly featured) versions of a lot of their development/server software.
You can get a site up and running on Windows Home using free versions of MSSQL and VS and have something thats fully functional without paying MS a dime. Get younger people hooked on using MS stack tools, and then companies start paying out for enterprise because thats where the skills are.
darielgames ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:35:14 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yep I'm hooked, made my job buy me VS professional
Big_Bare ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:08:29 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
What are you guys basing this on?
asspow ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:47:35 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Youโre seeing the carrot, but youโre missing the stick. Adobe drops the fucking hammer on companies for using pirated copies of photoshop.
Once Spotify starts suing people into bankruptcy for stealing Spotify premium, then Iโll accept the analogy.
rockydbull ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:08:16 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Exaclty and the business has no problem footing the bill. Westlaw and Lexis do the same thing for law students and law schools (but more on the up and up).
whythreekay ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:02:12 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I would imagine it being best in class software is why itโs the industry standard lol
xorgol ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:12:25 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It's not like they don't have competition.
richardjohn ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 15:16:17 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
They don't really? Nothing else comes close to Photoshop.
xorgol ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:34:23 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
PaintShop Pro is pretty similar, and traditionally has better vectorial support. So is Affinity Photo. Krita is also pretty good, but it has a somewhat different use-case.
For each of their apps there's a solid competitor, where they win is in the full creative suite, but most professionals only need a couple of them.
whythreekay ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 15:50:35 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Note that I said โbest in classโ
Competition sure, but nothing offers the total package of support, UI/UX, and features of Photoshop, thatโs why itโs industry leading, piracy isnโt anything to do with it
If anything itโs pirated a lot because itโs so good, it didnโt gain its industry position based on being stolen a lot
keithschm ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:15:17 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
This is so true. I never paid for office or windows till I could. O , I paid for WINRAR as well.....
sur_surly ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:26:06 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
That's not a fair comparison. Switching from Netflix to anything else is far easier than switching from Photoshop to Gimp.
Orefeus ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 14:57:40 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
not the same thing, at all
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:43:22 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Photoshop's price (without the subscription) is $700, way beyond anything an individual hobbyist would ever pay.
Spotify Premium is $10 a month.
Completely different scenario here. Adobe also doesn't have to host anything, Spotify does.
tomegranate ยท 71 points ยท Posted at 15:07:55 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
So... your logic is that Spotify should allow people to use the service without paying because at some point they might decide to start paying for it, for no obvious decent reason? Not sure about that. The ad-supported service already serves this purpose.
Jojje22 ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 21:06:22 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Especially as they're the middleman. Who cares that some bloke may be paying in a couple of years, they're paying for music that you're streaming right now.
st0j ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 14:43:27 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I just used that family plan with some randoms, I send them 40 Canadian a year and it's a great deal for me, been doing it for 2 years now.
s73v3r ยท 25 points ยท Posted at 17:23:50 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
No it fucking doesn't! Almost nobody is going to wake up one day and go, "Well, I've been pirating Spotify for several years now, but now I'm going to start paying money."
pythor ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 17:25:10 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It's kinda hilarious to me that you replied with this, when there are already several replies to me from people who did essentially that.
pablossjui ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:57:55 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I've done it as well with other services
illredditlater ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 17:03:23 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
All during that time Spotify is losing money to him to license music and to support infrastructure. Spotify is not profiting and I'd rather have the service instead of letting some kid circumvent the system because he doesnt want ads or cant spare $5.
Qix213 ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 15:19:58 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I used to pirate everything. I was the early adopter of pirating. Every new Napster clone, etc.
I still hate ads, except I pay for it. Pandora, Netflix, YouTube Red, and HBO during Game of Thrones to get away from ads.
Now I only pirate things that I can't get in a fair way. Like live sports where the official online portal is garbage or limited to people who also pay for cable TV.
[deleted] ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 15:56:09 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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ryansworld10 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:12:39 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Dude same thing with UFC Fight Pass! The blackouts on fight nights are ridiculous. I just use Tunnel Bear to stream from a country where it isn't blacked out because fuck you I'm not getting cable.
Qix213 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:06:31 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Exactly the same for major league soccer. The online severe if full of constant blackouts.
I live near SF. And I can't even watch Portland vs Seattle because it's on cable. If I had cable why the hell would I be paying for online viewing?
WintendoU ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:50:07 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It is dumb that you must do it, but MLB tv does work over VPN: https://www.privateinternetaccess.com
In case you did want to use it. It is incredibly stupid that if you move out of your home market, you get to watch games, but if you live in it, you don't. Plus MLB markets are unreasonably huge. Hundreds of miles from where the stadium is.
Umphreeze ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:16:23 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
it's because they dont want to compete with cable. They don't want me, in philadelphia, not paying for cable to watch a bunch of phillie's games because the phillies want everyone in phillie to watch on cable. It makes sense. I live in Phillie and subscribe because I'm a Mets fan, and it blows because the Phils/Mets games are the ones I wanna watch the most. But I get it. They don't care if people out of market can now watch games, 'cause their cable wouldn't have carried it anyway.
ryansworld10 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:19:55 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
My same philosophy now too. I have money, I'm willing to pay for stuff if it's convenient. Except for HBO though. I already have Netflix, Hulu, Prime, and YouTube Red (cause GPM includes it), I don't wanna buy another fucking service. I might have to though because HBO is the one that cracks down hard with reporting you for torrenting. So I guess they win...
JcmNOOT ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:19:15 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
That is exactly what happened to me and my friends. The hack didn't work anymore so we bought a subscription because we were so addicted.
oohkinky ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:39:20 on March 31, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Same here. I couldn't log in to the cracked app and promptly freaked the fuck out, thinking they had blocked my account (serves me right for cheaping a cheap fuck, but those playlists took a long time to make!). Thankfully it seemed like they had just found a way to circumvent the hack and stop me logging in, so I finally caved in and bought student premium. Well played Spotify.
I_POTATO_PEOPLE ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:51:04 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I bet you also laugh at people asking for free web design to help showcase the designer's skills.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:36:05 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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Plaguesage ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:32:36 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Remember 01.trackname.artist.album.year.mp3 and no metadata? shivers
Zharick_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:29:06 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
This is 100% it. Now that I'm a working adult, I don't mind paying for stuff that I pirated/circumvented payment before. I pay for MS Office, Video Games, Google Play Music, Video Streaming services.
PhoneLa4 ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 14:31:05 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Honestly this, 10โฌ/month is not much for me as a student but it's still a choice between if i can eat pizza 2 or 3 times a month. Of course i will start paying for it when i graduate
xac1d ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 14:58:35 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
spotify has a student discount for i think $5/month
gioraffe32 ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 15:04:26 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Spotify (at least in the US) has a pretty decent deal for students, currently. $5/month and you get free access to Hulu's limited commercial service. There's a verfication service it uses, but then it lasts for a year before the next verification.
PhoneLa4 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 15:33:03 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I dont live in the US so I dont get that discount and our pizzas are quality food
gioraffe32 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:34:47 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Pizzas can be quality food here...But not for broke ass college students. Hell, might not even be able to afford Pizza Hut or Dominos (for the record, neither are quality). Instead you're stuck with cafeteria pizza...*shudders*
dulac91 ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 14:44:48 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
10$ a month is dirt cheap for what you get. yes i'm a musician and i'm biased because of it but just think of the cost of the music you listen to.
paralnova ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:17:25 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
If we spoke about spotify to the ancient people, they would adore it. I can't blame them; I do. โก
Zamboni_Driver ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 14:38:53 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Of course.
7165015874 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:49:59 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I mean so many people used to spend so much time with custom ROM and what not on Android but now a lot of them are stock or Lineage. Nobody I know is flashing the latest XDA whatever, even if it means being on Nougat instead of Oreo.
Zamboni_Driver ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 14:52:03 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I think you may have replied to the wrong comment.
7165015874 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:01:46 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Sorry, I thought you were being sarcastic. I am not very good with sarcasm.
Zamboni_Driver ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 15:11:21 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Well I mean, I was being cheeky, but the discussion was about paying for Spotify premium, so I didn't really understand what that had to do with people flashing customs ROMs. Is a custom ROM a popular way to go around Spotify's ads or something?
7165015874 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:36:12 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
No, I was attempting to give a similar example of going out of your way for something desirable.
giotheflow ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:11:53 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
In your defense, text is not an optimal medium to convey implied sarcasm, i.e. without an explicit "/s".
7165015874 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:35:31 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Thank you
VictoriousRaptor ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 15:15:22 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Have you tried not eating shit pizza then?
The priorities here are amazing. I burn 10 bucks between Apple Music and Spotify a month. Add in 10 for my iCloud Drive, another 10 on Netflix. 30 bucks a month well spent on my services. I simply cut back on my shit meals or splurging on food (food is still one of my biggest expenses outside of rent).
s73v3r ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:35:25 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I honestly don't get this idea that you're entitled to Spotify for free.
PhoneLa4 ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 17:53:34 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I didnt make spotify free, im just blocking the ads just like we all are on e.g. Youtube
s73v3r ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:10:47 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
So you made it free. Again, why are you entitled to free Spotify?
codeverity ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:07:56 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
That's only worthwhile when as a company they're not worried about short term survival, though. I have a feeling Spotify is concerned about that, it's a cutthroat industry.
Conor1028 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:34:16 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yep, this is exactly why I pay for Spotify now.
MrHorseHead ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:13:01 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It's not a hack. It's easy. Usually a browser extension, and there's tutorials online.
supremexjordan_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:14:14 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Thatโs a really โin the long runโ way of looking at, which Iโm not really sure Spotify is taking into consideration
wekim88 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:43:15 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Well, this just blew my mind. I used cracked everything in high school and 12 years later I now pay for most of those programs that I still use
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:41:04 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
so they should let people use it for free, which costs them money, because in a decade they might pay for it?
darielgames ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:31:09 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I can attest to this, when I started working I started paying for Spotify, but before in highschool I struggled with ads and shuffle play.
oklar ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:41:18 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Uhh. So supposedly zero of the ten million are going to convert to paying, but a significant amount of people are going to do the above? And therefore Spotify shouldn't do this? These arguments are absolutely ridiculous
quotey ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:25:25 on March 25, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
fuckign lol at this justification
Hans_Brickface ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:42:09 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Or it leads to people using Spotify free for 2 years, then signing up for Youtube Red, where they get Google Music included.
[deleted] ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 14:07:46 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It's less publicity for Spotify. If I'm using a hacked version of Spotify to play music and someone asks me what service I'm using, I'm simply going to say Spotify.
I'm not sure why I'm getting downvoted. /u/seth_efrican said he's not seeing the downside. All I'm giving is the downside...nothing else.
SOCIALCRITICISM ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 15:31:20 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
those good old publicity bucks really pay the bills
ScruffTheJanitor ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 15:27:54 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
That is the lamest excuse to pirate that I've ever seen. Publicity? C'mon.
[deleted] ยท -12 points ยท Posted at 15:34:25 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Do you read? Not coming up with an excuse. /u/seth_efrican said he wasn't seeing a downside. I was simply stating a downside.
ScruffTheJanitor ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 15:37:52 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
That's not a downside. They wouldn't lose shit from blocking it.
[deleted] ยท 69 points ยท Posted at 14:12:45 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 14:31:37 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It's becoming more taboo in the world. Everyone used to brag about downloading music, but now, you don't see anything like that very often.
Boldizzle ยท 34 points ยท Posted at 15:04:43 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
That's because the choices of obtaining music back in the day was pay for an album for maybe a few tracks you actually end up liking or pirate it.
Not to mention the price of an album was the same price, if not more, than the cost of Spotify.
The monthly fee for Spotify is so damn cheap for what you get in return that I can't believe people still prefer to use ad free hacks on it. And this is coming from someone that used to pirate 90% of my music.
loofmodnar ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:18:48 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
For me at least, "back in the day" music was less single driven so buying an album wasn't less about getting a few songs I like and more about getting a bunch of new music from a band I like.
Albums today feel less cohesive than previous years often mixing a bunch of styles together in hopes that one of them will be a hit.
tambukey ยท -7 points ยท Posted at 15:29:39 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yes spotify is cheap. But everything adds up. I turned to alternatives to save a few bucks here and there to pay off stupid huge student loans. I use a universal adblock on my phone with a host file of a couple thousand known ad sites. Basically no app on my phone has access to those sites. Ads are the sole reason I will never stop making sure I don't see ads. They ruin websites, they ruin streaming services, they ruin everything we do online because they are always intrusive, stupid loud, auto-play, content blocking crap. If we went back to just side banners, or the like I wouldn't care as much, but with how shitty ads got on all platforms and apps I won't stand for it.
[deleted] ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 16:03:26 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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tambukey ยท -9 points ยท Posted at 16:43:40 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You ever actually look at where the money goes for services like Spotify? Not much ever makes it to the artists/ songwriters. When I like artists, I go to shows, donate on their own sites, actually buy their albums, etc.(granted that doesn't always mean they get most of it). When you learn how to support the actual artists/song writers, blocking ads isn't a big deal. This site does well at explaining the entire system. It doesn't show numbers, but you can research more of that yourself. We all have our own morals. I choose to support the artists as directly as possible. I own most of what i listen to, but when I am away from home it's a little tougher to bring that with me.
dystopian_love ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 17:35:02 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
But you didn't have to pay for access to albums every single month and then have that access revoked upon nonpayment. You paid once and had the album for life. You used the idea of paying for a full album just because you like one or two tracks. Spotify is the same way because you're paying for the entire music library instead of just what you listen to. Actually, it's worse than buying albums because you're pretty much paying more over the course of your lifetime without seeing any additional benefit for having paid 1000 dollars versus 100 dollars. The only difference is that by paying more, you have longer access. That is the definition of renting.
whythreekay ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 15:04:34 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Itโs not taboo at all, itโs just too hard for people who arenโt tech savvy. People arenโt going to learn how to torrent and they certainly arenโt going to usegroups or private IRC channels
This is why streaming piracy is far more important to content companies than torrents now, the ease of use and accessibility of stream piracy makes it a lot more widespread. See:Kodi on FireTV
What_Is_X ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 15:25:01 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It's not too hard, it's just easy to pay for services now. People used to pirate music when there was no way to conveniently buy it. The vast majority of people still pirate content such as game of thrones in countries where it's not easily available legally, like Australia. Not too hard after all eh
OK_Soda ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:10:08 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, I don't think it has to do with being tech savvy, it was always just about price and convenience, and it's become more convenient to just pay for things than jump through all the hoops needed to steal them.
OK_Soda ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:08:40 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
No, it is somewhat taboo. Pirating used to be, like, something you did because things were too expensive and too hard to get, and also we all hated the publishing companies so it was this cool rebellious thing. Now, streaming is incredibly cheap and absurdly convenient, much more so than finding a trustworthy VPN and scrounging around for well-seeded torrents, and I don't think anyone really hates Spotify or Netflix the way they hated the RIAA.
I have a friend who makes very good money and pays for Hulu but pirates Netflix, and whenever he mentions pirating Stranger Things or whatever, everyone jumps on his case. It's like, what, you can't afford $10 to support unlimited, on-demand stuff you like?
GoldVaulto ยท -9 points ยท Posted at 14:22:10 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
yeah no way in hell would people not mention that they're using pirated/ hacked versions, pirates love bragging about it for some reason.
dubman42 ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 16:00:16 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
That's not always true.
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 16:05:32 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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dubman42 ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 16:14:11 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Well, I pay for my subscription, because it's more convenient to do so. But that's not the point. Just because someone is pirating doesn't imply they will tell everyone how to do it. Some will, but your statement is not always true. I'm also not arguing that piracy is OK.
productfred ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 14:18:13 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
As someone who pays for Spotify, they are in the right on this one. Screw "negative publicity"; the thieves deserve to be shamed in this case. If you're going to pirate, go steal MP3s the old fashioned way. Stealing service is different, even though they're both bad. Spotify has to pay artists for each play, so that's 2 Million people leeching off of them.
Edit: Clarification on "Go steal MP3s instead" below.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:06:26 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Do you feel the same way about ad-blocking, because that's essentially what's happening here? Should everyone running uBlock be shamed for not paying for content?
productfred ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 16:55:31 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I actually work in ad serving lol, so you're preaching to the choir. I pay extra for ad removal whenever possible.
pure_nitro ยท -10 points ยท Posted at 14:43:10 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
"This way of stealing is bad, this way of stealing is better, but they're both bad" Solid logic.
Developers of games have multiple times released their games on pirating platforms, and seen increase in profit. So your argument, based on your opinion, is not valid.
whythreekay ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:05:02 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Source?
memphislynx ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:29:11 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, one version of stealing is just duplicating bits. The other is costing a service an amount of money per play (artist fee and server costs) which, while tiny, adds up over time.
productfred ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 14:57:53 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Are you really trying to justify stealing Spotify service? You also conveniently ignored the fact that Spotify pays artists per play. When you play a video game, the developers usually aren't paying someone every time you fire up the game; that's the difference. 2 million people playing multiple songs multiple times costs a lot of money. Stealing a finished product is different than continuously stealing service; it's like robbing a bank once vs robbing a bank every month.
If you buy an MP3, the artist is paid once. If you buy Spotify service, the artist is paid continuously (assuming multiple, regular plays). Therefore, you stealing a finished product (an MP3) is different than you stealing service (pay per play via Spotify). Spotify is a business, not a charity. My original point was that there should be no "negative publicity" for them simply protecting themselves.
ChlorineHigh ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:10:30 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It seems that your โsolid logicโ statement is sarcasm, yet I donโt see how the statement itself is incorrect. Could you explain?
rugtoad ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:33:49 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
"Fuck you, pay me."
When I freelance, I take cash or check. I don't accept exposure, publicity, good will, resume padding...yeah, pretty much just cold hard cash.
Same shit right here.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:34:47 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Oh that's funny...I don't remember saying that publicity replaces cash.
rugtoad ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:47:50 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
K, I think I get what you're saying...they are out something...
The question comes down to whether or not what they are out is worth what they get by taking this action. I mean, when you listen to a song, that costs Spotify money. Not a lot of money, but enough such that it certainly adds up.
Here's the other side of it: If it gets out that there are ways to use Spotify's premium features without paying for them, and that Spotify does jack shit to prevent this, do you think that more people will go this route of not paying? If all things were equal, if I could get exactly the same service, then there are some pretty compelling reasons to just not pay and use whatever mechanisms I can to get those premium features for free.
And while it never hurts to have publicity, the kind we're talking about here is pretty narrow. We're talking about word-of-mouth...which may well come with something like "Oh and by the way, I know it says you have to pay 10 bucks a month, but here's how you can get around that".
So I don't really expect that they will see a whole lot of conversion from "person who heard about spotify from a friend" to "paying subscriber" or even "ad-consuming subscriber" in this scenario.
Ultimately, Spotify has to protect their product and their platform from people who misuse it. And that's what we're talking about here, we're talking about people who try to figure out a way to use the service without either paying directly or paying through ad consumption...two things that break the terms of service and cost Spotify money.
From everything they've said to the public, they don't exactly have a whole lot of breathing room in their margins, and what's more...artists themselves tend to get screwed over the most through Spotify's model.
In the end, I don't think there actually is a real downside to Spotify keeping their platform locked down. They may lose people who aren't paying for their service, I guess...but that's a net-positive. With that, they are no longer paying to deliver the content without any kind of return. The publicity they might lose isn't likely to give them much return for what it costs. And making sure that the world knows that they will protect their business model and platform is worth a quite a bit itself as well.
Shit, they are getting a ton of publicity right now specifically by locking things down.
NilRecurring ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:56:26 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You are probably the same kind of person who bitches about clubs who don't pay their bands because they get 'publicity' b playing there...
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:08:21 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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Iohet ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 14:23:12 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
People that actively go out of their way to install methods to circumvent ads aren't likely in any major capacity to opt back in to ads given the choice
[deleted] ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 16:10:10 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Subscriber numbers matter to investors. If you kicked off 2M people at once, that is still a 2M user loss. That's 2M people that could have been converted to paying customers who may go to a competitor. That's 2M people recommending music to friends and family (paying customers). I mean, its not much different from Netflix being neutral about users sharing their account. Growth matters.
[deleted] ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 16:13:57 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 16:55:52 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
So I take it you don't use an ad-blocker on your browser.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:27:14 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:02:19 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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girlsareicky ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:16:34 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I see. Well ya ok I'm an idiot.
duffmanhb ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:31:49 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Customer retention is far better than customer acquisition. Getting brand new customers is going to be far harder than just finding ways to convert existing customers familiar with the brand and service.
SamuraiJakkass86 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:34:57 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Do you use adblock on your computer, or have you started paying for Reddit Gold to keep your content ad free?
ImSpeakEnglish ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 15:23:18 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Spotify is probably the only service where I would pay in this case. The only reason is that I have there my playlist of 1000+ songs.
However, their ads is one of the worst and I'll continue blocking as long as I can. I had ads enabled for some time. Then they started playing 2 ads in a row. Well fuck that. Turned blocking back on.
gktimberwolf ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 17:08:40 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Or you could just pay and not be a shitty person?
dubman42 ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 15:59:37 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Active users is a metric used to value the company. Turning them away isn't good for business. Neither is pissing them off with ear-bleeding ads, but the point still stands.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 17:59:59 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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dubman42 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:22:07 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Totally agree. But pissing off your non-paying users is not an effective way to covert them to paying users.
rman320 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 19:02:01 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
They aren't looking to convert those users, they just want them to stop accessing content they haven't paid for.
dubman42 ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 19:45:20 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Right. And pushing ads with increased volume only incentivizes those users to seek a work around, and as you correctly stated, will also fail at converting those users to paying customers.
DiiGiiTAL ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 14:39:55 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
So it literally makes no differenece one way or the other.
Free_Joty ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:02:51 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It costs Money to operate servers for non payers
DiiGiiTAL ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:23:32 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Right. But they're not paying anyway...
Free_Joty ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:41:00 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
So ban them because they won't generate revenue and they cost money
BLlZER ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 16:44:14 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
No comments, just reddit showing how some users are literally brain dead.
blastcat4 ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 15:47:26 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It shuts the door on potential new customers. There's a lot of people who might be considered in the category of "never going to pay", but it's a grey area, and the decision to "never pay" may be based on not having enough information about the service.
Think of Netflix. My cousin gave me access to use their Netflix account and I'd watch it occasionally as well as keep an eye on new shows added to their system. Previously, I wouldn't have considered subscribing to Netflix. Eventually, my cousin ended their Netflix subscription and I started one of my own. Netflix made it relatively easy to access their content and because of that, I was able to see for myself that it was worth subscribing to, so I did. If Netflix had taken a hardline instead, I would not be bothering with their service.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:07:09 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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blastcat4 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:14:08 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Not everyone falls neatly into the "never pay" or "true customer" categories.
typtyphus ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 15:47:38 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Boop_the_snoot ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 17:06:47 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Banning them requires time, effort, and some money. You also risk banning some legitimate users because you forgot about that one "temporary" license check hotfix made a few years ago or something like that.
bluered123yellow ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 15:29:40 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
There is a downside though, a very real one and the only one that matters. Social efficacy takes over as people turn away from Spotify because their friends bad mouth it it don't use it at all.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:08:37 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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bluered123yellow ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:39:03 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
That's not what I meant. It's a popularity contest only with apps.
sur_surly ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 16:24:14 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
That's fine. Every song the pirates pay costs Spotify money. It's not free for Spotify to stream the music to the pirates. They not only pay to make the stream work with their CDNs, but have to pay royalties.
Noshi18 ยท 45 points ยท Posted at 15:35:00 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Spotify still has to pay the artist if you bypass the ads, these 2 million users are a cost to them, and that makes no business sense. It's better to not have them.
chicaneuk ยท 23 points ยท Posted at 18:59:57 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
And has to pay for the bandwidth and associated charges too...
Pm_me_steam-codes ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 18:44:21 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Spotify disagrees
Notsayingtheycantbanpeople
Spl4tt3rB1tcH ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 15:50:39 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Doesn't matter if they are going to pay or not, it saves Spotify precious server power if they quit spotify entirely after getting banned. Those people didn't do anything good anyway.
s73v3r ยท 23 points ยท Posted at 17:23:02 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
So let them. Those people are moochers. And worst of all, those moochers are actually costing Spotify money. Spotify has to pay for the songs the moochers are streaming, and the bandwidth to stream those songs.
I seriously don't get this idea that companies should bend over backwards for the moochers. "But they wouldn't be paying customers anyway!" isn't a good reason to cater to them.
Woodie626 ยท 59 points ยท Posted at 14:14:20 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
How bout it's the same fucking ad over and over again. I don't mind ads, some of my favorite skits come from ads(I'm a slippery sheet of ice) but shit advertisement is just that.
Solid_Freakin_Snake ยท 26 points ยท Posted at 15:16:38 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
This I why I made the jump to ad-free Hulu. I wouldn't mind the ads if it wasn't the same thing 3 times per episode while I'm trying to binge an entire season. It makes me want to boycott your product out of spite.
HEBushido ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 17:34:25 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I have Hulu through a spotify student deal and they keep playing ads for the show I'm currently watching. I'm going to drop Hulu when that deal ends though. Ad free is too expensive and I don't use it enough. I already have a few other services.
Solid_Freakin_Snake ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:43:33 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Totally understandable. To me, the $13 is worth having ad-free access to a bunch of adult swim original shows, then everything else included is just bonus.
OK_Soda ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:12:14 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
And at least one of them is always a pharmaceutical ad for a condition I don't have. I wouldn't even mind seeing the same ad 3 times per episode if it was fucking relevant.
ybtlamlliw ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 15:14:08 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
That's how Hulu's been for me lately. They're the same ads over and over again. At least give me some variety so I don't wanna bash my head against the wall.
Battkitty2398 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:34:32 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
BLOCKERS and ER. I've seen those ads so many times on Hulu I could probably repeat them verbatim.
BillieGoatsMuff ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:49:46 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Vpn. I actually enjoy the French adverts. I have no idea what they want me to buy. Much less annoying.
Woodie626 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:17:19 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It wouldn't be nearly as bad, if they played the same commercial in different languages, like more than eight.
jasonvinuesa ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:10:23 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I think I would continue using Spotify but with my pc connected to another speaker and my phone so I could skip as many songs as I like and have the random off and controlling from my phone.
So basically everything I have with premium except the ads
Edit: actually, that's what I did for some months that I couldn't pay
thelochteedge ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 18:30:31 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It shouldn't be that hard to see "last song played" and then measure what the average db level of that track was and then match the ad to that exact level, should it?
I only use Spotify because I have Premium with my phone plan so I've never experienced an ad-version of it but that seems like an easy fix.
hbarSquared ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:05:36 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Spotify has to pay for every song they stream, in this case they don't care about conversion rate, they just need to block the users leeching off the system.
ReggieJ ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:32:14 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Citation needed. I see this being stated as fact pretty much on all threads of this type and never anything sources to back it up.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:56:20 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Dude one of their ads used to be a fucking car crash or car horns blaring like a crash is about to happen or some shit. While I'm god damn driving. What the ever living fuck. I have panicked atleast 10 times to that god damn ad.
daymanAAaah ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:01:18 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
This is not a bad idea. A lot of the people who are not paying for services like Spotify are young who can't afford to. If you push them to another platform like Google Play, then by the time that they CAN afford to pay for services they'll have already switched.
IMO companies like Spotify should go way heavier on discounts for young people. Not just the basic 'Student Discount' shit, grab that audience young so by the time they've got a full-time job they'll stick with your platform and pay the sticker price.
bluestillidie00 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:25:25 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I actually paid for it after Dogfood Core got pulled. Thought "fuck it, it's more convenient than having to deal with local files all the time"
I still have local files which I use Retro Player for, my Spotify playlist which is basically a replica of what I have locally, and I pretty much switch between them.
Now I've figured out how to get local files to work with premium, my local files aren't gonna get used much
sheepsix ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:25:25 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I'm so glad I'm not the only one. I don't really like extra loud ads for hip hop showing up while I'm listening to classical piano. I pay for premium now because I like to download music for long drives but man those ads would aggravate me.
inthegameoflife ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:21:13 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I bought a subscription after they booted me from my from my cracked app so it does work for some people.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:26:40 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
That's good for them. Saves bandwith/royalty fees.
Icanus ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 08:19:52 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Just pay for the damn subscription. It's cheap as hell and you can share with friends or family.
pa79 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:42:07 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
And have ads without music. Destroys the mood.
And please have one consistent language choice. I have the UI in English, but the ads are randomly in English, German and French. Just chose one!
Minnesota_Winter ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:58:52 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Loud ads made the fun money numbers go up, you can't fight against results.
yzfr1604 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:14:38 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The ad based system doesnโt really work.. itโs a money losing endeavour. I would assume itโs there to show people the system and hopefully annoy them enough to go to the paid system.
SatanicOnion ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:24:39 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I love Duolingo's ads.
Yeah, it's full screen and takes like five seconds minimum, but it reminds you that ads help keep free things free.
RealAlto ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:33:08 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Its honestly not when the point is to get people to go premium. The annoying ads are what made me go premium. I couldnt stand those loud obnoxious ads that constantly played. I said fuck it, and never looked back
blackbeanchickenfeet ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:36:05 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Agreed. When using spotify I have no problem listening to the native ads or musical ones, but when it's a very loud horror movie ad playing every 4-5 songs in the middle of my 'feel good' playlist they are literally giving me no other choice but to either move onto a different client or just bypassing the ads somehow.
XXX_is_my_grandaddy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:34:38 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
They aren't going to find another app. They all use insane loud annoying commercials
Most people in the kitchen I work at use SoundCloud and screaming WANT A BREAK FROM THE ADS!?!?! has basically turned into a meme
Lazyheretic ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:36:27 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Not only that but more variety and less self indulgent. I swear Spotifiy's own ads are the worst of the lot.
fenbekus ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:18:53 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I've never had an ad be louder than the music.
chase_phish ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:35:19 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Ron and I are going to the store to buy it from
Zenmaster366 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:37:02 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Then let them find another app, thus costing Spotify less in royalties which they can (but obvs won't) pass on to us paying customers in lower prices.
Ladyy_Grimm ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:37:05 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I'd love to listen to ads that suggest different albums or games. When I was a free user, didn't really like subway ads screaming at me.
andreask ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:38:16 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It will be interesting to see how they handle paying customers in the lower bracket, who pay to get rid of ads but still use hacked apps to circumvent shuffle play.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:47:33 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The ads are jarring so you will buy a subscription. That's why I did anyway.
Slim_mc_shady ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:49:49 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
One ad is literally just a guy saying how you can try premium with a free trial and then 20 seconds of white noise.
B4rberblacksheep ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:53:05 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You notice how almost ads these days are to get Spotify premium? Theyโve probably crunched the numbers and found they make more by getting someone to go to premium than by playing them adverts.
sergiooooo8 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:09:28 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
hopefully, now they're going to pay because they've probably built years worth of their favorite music
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:10:09 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
If I was working for Spotify, I would upon the ads by making it more obnoxious.
MrLeville ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:21:57 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Well they can just make a youtube playlist and enjoy a no ads experience.
What Jim? No, seriously? You kidding me right? Ok folk it seems there ARE ads on youtube, just no one in their right mind and with an adblocker has seen any in a few years.
Doheki ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:00:25 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Ugh, one time I legitimately had an ad that was something like a train crashing and derailing and it was loud as bell and they were like wasn't that disrupting? Buy Spotify premium.
frulcino ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:19:59 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Eh, I'm not so sure about that... I know a lot of people who stopped pirating and started paying because they didn't want to get banned
P.s. sorry for my English, I'm italian
ParadigmSaboteur ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:31:43 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
No shit. The last time I dropped acid going from nice groove to the ads every half hour was indeed jarring.
SamuraiJakkass86 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:34:10 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
KronoakSCG ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:56:42 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
heck, i listen to ads on the desktop app because i can choose what plays, they remove the shuffle play only on free mobile i'm sure plenty would drop the modded versions just to have auto-updates that don't break the app.
Monomart ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:44:54 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
This article actually brought to my attention that I could get around the ads and I just installed a modded APK. Bringing publicity to this is the worst thing they can do
EDDIE_BR0CK ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:04:57 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I was using Spotify Dogfood, as were a couple others in my extended family. After it was blocked, I tried the free version, and we ended up buying a family package, so it's not all a loss to them
throwawayforyknow ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:50:29 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Also have a wider range of ads. I hear the diet coke ad 25 times a day at work, I am now less likely to buy the product, more likely to avoid any thing with Gillian Jacobs in it, and I've gotten an adblock at home when I didn't before because I got so sick of it.
stackinpointers ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:01:33 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Doesn't justify stealing
partha_c6 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:06:21 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Best solution for them would be to remove the free tire entirely just like all other music streaming services.
expression1st ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:31:41 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I bought a share in family access because of bans. Spotify isn't available in Russia yet, and US subscription 9.99 is more than I could afford for music per month.
Drunkenaviator ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:27:45 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Banning people from a system where it takes ~30 seconds to make a new account is pointless. The next day they'll be back with a new account and their playlists ported over.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:59:42 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The volume thing is illegal in Germany. Not that spotify or twitch care..
EveViol3T ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:25:15 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It's illegal in the States too, at least for television. I don't know why it wouldn't be for radio as well.
Kinglink ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:37:55 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Except that means those people will never pay, and will continue to avoid ads, so there's no loss when spotify bans someone who is only taking.
It'd be one thing if it's like a single player only game. Well Johnny stole the game, but (you can make the case) he's not hurting us.
However Spotify STILL has to pay for bandwidth and servers to support 2 million people that aren't paying at all for the content. That's a problem. It might be acceptable to build a user base, but Spotify has the user base.
People are running around saying "But the grow the user base"... no they don't. I really hate when people think it's ok to steal and rationalize it by "We tell other people about stuff." .... fucking hell.
megamanxoxo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:04:47 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
also let the user select the song they want to hear. just load it up with ads to make your $$ back. ppl are more likely to convert if they can create and listen to playlists they want to hear even if it is ad-laden in the free version.
FermentedHerring ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:37:37 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I'm one of the ad dodgers.
The thing that gets me is that the features you get suck and the ads are 20minutes long. Throw me a 5-10 sec long ad after a song or two and I'm fine. Don't blast that shit louder than the music. Fade it in nicely.
cat_at_work ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 14:16:02 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
yep. I'll wait for another crack or will just listen offline. idc. offline I can at least correct the tags to by as I want.
also what they do with the ads volume is illegal in my country and they dont give a fuck sooo, I wont either.
GarciaJones ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:18:52 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Thatโs kind of hard to do . It would require the app to recognize different master levels of each track and then adjust accordingly. What if you change songs midplay? What if you close the app ? Music is enjoyable to us because we all listen to stuff thatโs been mastered for a set like an album, EP, LP and while mastering isnโt just about the volume, that definitely plays a factor . Sure, singles are mastered as well but even Apple has tried to implement a volume check and honestly I donโt hear it work that well. And thatโs building into hardware. Iโm not saying it canโt be done but as an audio engineer I just see too many variables to track and match . Maybe if they could build in a software compressor that takes maybe the last 2 songs youโve listened to and dropped down the dB output to match that average but like I said , itโs hard to do because the app would have to be analyzing or at the very least , keep a data base on file in the cloud of each songs output and adjust the ads to match . You say to turn it down but what if you were listening to metal on 11? Itโs jarring only when youโre at one volume but the ad ( which is usually independently made ) was mastered at another. Iโll tell you this, any songs that were mastered for Spotify in mind usually donโt have this issue as I believe Spotify has requirements just like โMastered for iTunesโ does . But I could be wrong. Just going on my knowledge of how levels of audio work, and what it would take , this is my opinion.
loganparker420 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:54:42 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Remove shuffle and I'll listen to all the ads they want. But until then I'll be on SoundCloud and YouTube.
Money_Bags97 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:50:09 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
They should just record all the ads in house. Same voice, same volume every time. You would just tune it out after a while.
Some high production YouTube channels do this and itโs perfectly fine.
soI_omnibus_lucet ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:52:07 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
non premium spotify on android is SHIT. after the cracked version I used got banned I just straight up stopped using spotify instead of paying..
icytiger ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:22:28 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah they will. Source: me.
Once they started blocking the main apps I realized $5 a month isn't worth losing my Spotify account over, an account with playlists and songs saved from years.
Memesmakemememe ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:44:46 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Fuck Spotify
nomnomnompizza ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 15:39:30 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Just make them say "this next 30 minutes of songs brought to you by [insert company name and slogan]"
spoonraker ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 16:30:07 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
When Spotify threatened to ban all users who were using a modded Spotify APK on Android to choose songs rather than being limited purely to shuffle-only playback, it did convince me to pay for a subscription...
... to YouTube Red.
Both are $10 per month, which I thought was too much for just music. There was no way I was going to pay for Spotify. I used it purely because it was free. I didn't mind the ads. It was the lack of being able to pick and choose what song I listened to on mobile that drove me to using a modded APK.
So once I was forced to pay for something, Youtube Red was the easy choice. Not only do I get music streaming, but it comes with a bigger library than Spotify which included a lot more things like covers, and acoustic versions of songs, but I also get ad-free Youtube videos which I watch tons of, and original content from Youtube? No brainer.
klesus ยท -9 points ยท Posted at 16:20:39 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I am guilty of using ad-free non-subscription Spotify. But I wouldn't say that I use it very much for listening to music, it's mostly as a bookmarking tool for songs I hear on the radio.
My personal reasons for not going premium is that my dream is to create a competing service where music always is free of charge, no ads. Compared to that Spotify is just bad service. As the years pass I'm getting further and further away from realizing it so I may remain a freeloading asshat forever, but all I can say is that what I want to do is somewhat similar to amuse.io.
No service should revolve around annoying their customers into premiums. But that is exactly what Spotify does. AFAIK there are three downsides with not having a subscription; Ads, Shuffle-only and limited skips. If ads are supposed to make up for non paying users, then why are 4/5 ads from Spotify themselves? No revenue can be made if the service provider is the one paying for the ads.
The shuffle is only there as a major inconvenience, nothing else. It is made so you can't pick and choose what songs you want to listen to, but it's not impossible to choose play individual tracks, it's just a pain in the ass round-about way to do it. But it's also inconsistent, you get shuffle only on mobile, but on PC you can play any song you like, any time. Same thing with limited skips as well, which only would make sense with Shuffle-mode limitation in the first place I guess. But it's just another example of Spotify's business-model of being shitheads by delivering shittier service to non paying customers rather than delivering better service to those who do.
Disagreeing with their business-model doesn't make blocking ads OK, I know that. But doing so fortunately only violates their user agreement, it's nothing illegal, so I can at least live with myself.
[deleted] ยท 321 points ยท Posted at 15:40:26 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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JnBootz ยท 89 points ยท Posted at 18:08:34 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not hating for your decision to use alternatives but honestly, I am extremely happy with my spotify premium and I've been happily paying for about a year. Can't say that for a lot of apps these days.
chargebeam ยท 25 points ยท Posted at 19:44:59 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Don't understand people who complain about sitting through ads or not having full functions of a service without paying for it.
RyutoAtSchool ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 21:06:18 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Thereโs a difference between โnot having full functionsโ and โmaking an app unbearable and user hostileโ
KalenXI ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:39:42 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Would you rather they go back to having the mobile app only available for subscribers like it used to be?
chargebeam ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 21:13:13 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
What's so bad about the free version?
RyutoAtSchool ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:17:39 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
-Limited skips. Probably the least offensive thing about it, and I understand itโs inclusion -ANNOYING and intrusive ads, usually louder than the song you were listening to or begging for you to buy premium -Forced shuffle for all of your music -โRecommendingโ songs for you to listen to by automatically playing them whenever you listen to an artist/album
[deleted] ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 22:30:31 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
so you want the premium version... but without paying...
The free version is meant to be limited. It's a demo into spotify.
chargebeam ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 18:53:30 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Obviously. Yet people complain because they want everything for free.
luningaming ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 23:16:37 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Well the free version doesn't have shuffle on PC, care to explain that?
[deleted] ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 23:32:35 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Their largest listening base is mobile, hence why PC and Tablets have no shuffle limit. What they're trying to do is lure you in so you listen to all the music from PC and then when you leave the house, you remember that you don't have the same playlist available, so you eventually end up paying for it.
KalenXI ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:46:36 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Originally the free version only existed on the PC. The mobile apps required a subscription. When they added a free tier to the mobile app they decided not to make the same mistake that landed them with an unsustainable amount of free users since the amount they make from the ads doesn't cover the licensing fees for free users. I also wonder if it's a way to keep licensing costs down for free users since typically services that don't allow users to select songs a la carte (like Pandora) pay lower licensing fees than those that allow users to listen to anything they want.
RyutoAtSchool ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:00:03 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
No I donโt want the premium version for free, I want a USER FRIENDLY free version
Nan0Cr3y ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 21:19:15 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You're severely limited in using Spotify.. you can't skip to the next track after a few or even skip around in a track (e.g if you're just looking for a certain song and want to skip the intro) or play a specific track in an album - you can only shuffle
Edit: to the people downvoting for answering a question - go try it on a free account
Batzi1234 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 11:34:25 on March 25, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It's also about who Spotify varies its free model per platform. On PC you get unlimited skips, can listen to any song you want. The drawback there is that you can't save them offline and you get ads on a regular basis. On Mobile however you get bombarded with ads but can do non the above. You are limited to 5 skips per hour (or something like that) your only option is to shuffle your playlist/album. That would be somewhat fine if Spotify weren't to throw in songs you don't have listened to even once from artists that aren't even closely related to the genre your playlist is based on. So from your 10 track album you get 2 songs from the actual album. 3 you skip because you don't want some popmusic in your electronic dance mix. 3 skips gone and only 10 minutes of music so far. Seems great doesn't it?
chargebeam ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:12:54 on March 25, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, I know the free version is a pain on mobile. But still... it's free. It's not meant to be great, it's meant to be a teaser for the real thing. Spotify knows the most used platform is mobile, so obviously they will limit it more than on PC. Having access to millions of songs is not meant to be free. If you want full albums and uninterrupted music, you pay. Just like on radio, you don't want ads? You get SiriusXM and pay.
StewVicious07 ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 20:21:16 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
This and Tinder Plus lol
YoungXanto ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 18:21:54 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I was not aware Spotify had a PC interface. I play Spotify all day, everyday through my bluetooth-connected Bose mini.
I went with the paid subscription from the moment that I switched from primarily Pandora (which I also pay for because my wife prefers that) to Spotify. I haven't heard an ad in like 5 years (when listening to music) and its been amazing
peteftw ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:50:52 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
A family plan is $15/mo. Split it 5 ways or whatever the max is.
InertState ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 17:29:39 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
โI love Spotify and listen to it all the timeโ but I refuse to pay for this service. Wtf kind of logic is this?
[deleted] ยท 22 points ยท Posted at 17:49:51 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
If it's free and the company allows you to keep listening it for free, that's on the company. This user is still listening to ads on their PC, so spotify is still creating some revenue from them. More people would be inclined to pay for a service if the free version was not drastically different, or shit, which is happening here with the app on the phone.
britcowboy ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 10:45:49 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
All that will end up happening is Spotify will just discontinue their free app if people keep getting round the system and then you'll be forced to pay.
InertState ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 17:54:39 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Restate that last sentence please. People will be inclined to pay for a service if what?
ProbablythelastMimsy ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 18:55:07 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Obviously if the free version offers the same functionality then people will be so impressed as to pay full price for it. That makes sense.
RebbitRiddit ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 18:01:41 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You know what they're getting at. They mean Spotify gets paid by them keeping the free version, due to advertisement, as opposed to people modifying or blocking the adverts which are so poorly implemented.
Derpetite ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:37:12 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Exactly. They're not going to give everything for nothing.
jetglo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:59:21 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Just a heads up - they're heavily testing allowing free users to pre-select a bunch of playlists they want to be able to access add and shuffle free.
razorsbk ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:24:32 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You could use a VPN to buy Spotify premium from Philippines (2.5$ per month).
evalalave ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:48:01 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Hear, hear. I recently wanted to suggest Spotify to a friend and the mobile version is unbearable, i want to play a single song you piece of crap... why can you do the simplest of things.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:49:44 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
That's how they work -- annoy you enough to pay else you enjoy free service and bear with the annoyances.
I think it's fair enough. You have like what, 300 million songs at your disposal for free? An outlandish view I know.
HiiiPowerd ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:38:07 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I mean it's annoying because they want you to pay for it.
KronoakSCG ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:58:19 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
i uninstalled it when i couldn't make a playlist to just listen to one song, they played 50 songs that don't even match the genre now.
ozsum ยท 180 points ยท Posted at 14:27:45 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I'm curious what people think. Is there a difference between a Spotify with supressed ads and a browser using adblock?
Put_It_All_On_Blck ยท 144 points ยท Posted at 16:53:52 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
To me theres a difference. adblockers on browsers also increase your security, while running a hacked apk lowers it. Also spotify offers a paid service to remove ads, there is no legitimate universal paid service to remove all website ads. Finally, a lot of websites make money through other ways, referrals, selling data, sponsored content, etc.
TheThankUMan66 ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 19:42:06 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You still pay for spotify though, you dont pay for websites.
xenithflare ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:01:04 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Not yet.
TheThankUMan66 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:05:11 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It's weird that it's not paid for. The internet is worth at least 10 dollars an hour.
akaBrotherNature ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:23:36 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Hopefully things like flattr.com and contributor.google.com become more popular.
I'm happy to spend $5-10 a month on the websites that I visit. 'cause I ain't turning off my ad-blocker for no one.
LordMcze ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:50:11 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Connecting isn't free. Are people forgetting about that little thigh that without paying your provider, there's no internet for you?
TheThankUMan66 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:02:22 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
$40 a month for unlimited 50mbps up/down. Considering how much you use it, that's pretty much free.
LordMcze ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:25:46 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Not everyone can get that. And $40/mth isn't "pretty much free" for everyone.
MrBester ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:52:51 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Plenty of news sites have paywalls.
mtciii ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 19:48:08 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
What if you're using an ad blocker to suppress Spotify ads, but Spotify remains unaltered?
kbecks06 ยท 75 points ยท Posted at 16:51:08 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Presumably Spotify ads arenโt going to serve up malware, 50000 random third party cookies, trackers, pop ups and browser redirects.
GrinningPariah ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 19:26:16 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Nope, both are okay by me. Fuck ads.
MrK_HS ยท 27 points ยท Posted at 14:59:33 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
No difference.
Tasadar ยท 23 points ยท Posted at 17:02:55 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Do spotify ads give me viruses because thats why I use adblock.
Adblock is my only virus protection (and I use windows 7) and I never get viruses. Take it off and let the malware flow.
I'm not fucking your skanky website without a condom, sorry.
bigsquirrel ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 15:44:03 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Huge difference, Spotify on some level is paying royalties even if very small every time a song is played or as a one time purchase. Almost like they are a reseller. When you use Thier service and block ads you kinda are legitimately stealing $ from them.
whatyousay69 ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 17:35:36 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
That's no different from viewing a website with adblockers. People viewing sites costs the site bandwidth.
bigsquirrel ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:57:50 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
No, do websites pay royalties per view to other companies? Maybe they do I don't know. Spotify does not own Thier content. I don't know why I bother. Trying to say people should pay for content on Reddit is just a waste of time. Everything should be free for everyone because it's on the internet.
[deleted] ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 16:54:36 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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bigsquirrel ยท -6 points ยท Posted at 17:54:32 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Whatever you feel justifies it.
prollyshmokin ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 17:58:09 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Do you not regularly block ads on most websites?
bigsquirrel ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 18:10:34 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
No I don't run adblock. They just don't bother me that much. I don't look at enough porn that it's an issue.
prollyshmokin ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:45:38 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Weird.
eskimoFry ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:22:32 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
you steal my limited bandwidth by loading crap that's going to weigh in lots of Megabytes, you are stealing my internet connection
freewopmane ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:40:59 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
This attitude reeks of entitlement
eskimoFry ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:09:14 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It's not entitlement if you want profits but entitlement if i block you from ahady practices?
freewopmane ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:06:55 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
No, it's entitlement to think you should be able to make use of others' content/services (which costs them money to create and serve to you) without allowing them to support themselves. If you think a website is using shady practices, just don't use it. They don't owe it to you to serve you content for free.
eskimoFry ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:32:10 on March 25, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
they get the privilege of using the internet as much as I do. In a fair world, businesses should be shutdown for being dishonest or breaking rules because they have to break even.
gidoca ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:53:37 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
But streaming services pay per played song. Writing an article costs the same no matter how many people look at it.
freewopmane ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:41:56 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Hosting costs increase with the amount of traffic though.
major_tennis ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 16:34:55 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
thats not how stealing works. nothing was lost. potential revenue does not exist its hypothetical. its more like the taxi that took you to the concert gave you a coupon that was due to expire he wasnt going to use anyway. so you didnt have to pay the entry fee. The show still went on as it always would have with all the costs pre planned. just a miniscule absence of potential revenue. I rarely reach my full potential
bigsquirrel ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 17:34:30 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
No they pay royalties, you listen to a song someone outside of Spotify receives money for that song. If you circumvent Thier method to make money and pay those royalties what would you call it?
major_tennis ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:35:14 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
freeloading
MrBester ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 00:47:27 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
A loss leader.
Surely Spotify receives sufficient revenue from the free users who do see the ads to offset not only the royalties payable but also cover the free users who block ads? If not, and the shortfall has to be made up from the subscriptions, then their business model for the free tier is flawed.
bigsquirrel ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:52:09 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Soooo they make enough money on other people it's ok for You to do what you want? Someone that embezzled money could use the same justification. Whatever makes you feel better. It's morally wrong. God knows I've got loose morals, I just don't pretend like it's ok.
MrBester ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 09:45:07 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Way to throw the accusations around. At what point did I say that I blocked ads / used a hacked apk? Quote the comment. I'll wait.
bigsquirrel ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:03:39 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Nah I'm good thief
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 17:03:23 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
This argument only holds water when you make a copy of files.
There's nothing "potential" about this. When you stream from a cracked Spotify account, they are paying for all the same server infrastructure to deliver that song that they would for a paid account, and they are also still forced to pay the artist each time the song is streamed, regardless of whether or not the stream was legitimate or not. They only budget so much of that to come from free users, and keep those costs down and controlled by using playlists instead of pick-and-play like the premium service can, and by using advertisements (which of course people will find ways to block as well).
So yes, I'm going to go ahead and say this is blatantly stealing, because the company is actually taking a genuine (not potential or "I wouldn't have bought it anyway") loss each time a user streams from a cracked app, and those losses will add up eventually.
Not crying any tears for a large company or anything like that, I'm just saying that this fits the definition pretty well.
bigsquirrel ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 17:36:29 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
What everyone seems to be missing is they pay royalties. It's not free for them if you listen to their music.
major_tennis ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:14:40 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
its comparable to riding a train for free. Which i think homeless people or people who missed their train should be allowed to do. the train costs are the same regardles theres plenty empty seats. it's not stealing because nothing is being taken.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 17:22:42 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
No, it's comparable to riding a train that pays for its electricity, fuel, and other costs on a per-person basis and each person is counted (and assumed to have paid for their fare).
It is stealing in that actual money is being paid for someone to obtain something for free. This is not making a copy of a file where one can hide behind "I wouldn't have bought it anyway, can't count me as a lost sale".
I don't really have an issue with piracy, one way or another. If you want to, go right ahead, I won't judge. I just don't think there's really much "justification" for it under most circumstances.
major_tennis ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:30:21 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
i'm not justifying i just decided to throw my hat in the ring and be pedantic about stealing and theft definitions. its a complex subject. ive enjoyed it
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:53:15 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
In this case, there is nothing to be pedantic about. Using a cracked Spotify app is directly stealing from Spotify.
Whether that bothers you or not is another story.
major_tennis ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:59:09 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It certainly doesn't bother me i have no connection to spotify. I've had a great discussion with many users in this thread about why its not technically stealing. its freeloading. Also my joining in this discussion does not implicate me as someone using a "cracked spotify" i didn't know they even existed i thought people were referring to the web play with adblock pro. i am being pedantic about the definition of stealing. and i think i've made my case well
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:04:22 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not saying you are someone who uses the cracked app. And the "web play" is irrelevant because the desktop app doesn't place any restrictions on pick and play.
I'm saying your pedantry concerning the definition of stealing is not relevant and does not apply to this situation whatsoever. I realize you think you've "made your case well" but your case has nothing to do with this.
major_tennis ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:10:18 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
you said: "blatantly stealing" it's not it's freeloading at most. that is where and why i joined in the discussion. it's part of this discussion it has something to do with this. web play is not irrelevant it is a spotify User interface thats advertisments can be avoided with adblocking. you keep saying stealing but stealing has nothing to do with this. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freeloading
edit: i made my case better in other replies than our chain
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:20:11 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
No, it is stealing. The experience of streaming the song is supposed to be paid for before being experienced. You are bypassing the paying part and experiencing it anyway. Unlike the "file copying" argument where you can say "there was no guarantee I was going to buy it, so I cannot be counted as a lost sale", Spotify must pay for the rights of the holder each time you stream that song.
You are stealing a service that they have to pay for each time you experience it without paying them. This is completely different.
Web play is irrelevant because Spotify's primary market comes from mobile users. There is a reason why you can pick and play what you want on the desktop, and that's because Spotify doesn't "lose" a lot of money there and people that experience the desktop client want that same experience on their phone.
Even if you insist on focusing on the web part and simply adblocking, you're still stealing from them in that the ads are supposed to be used to cover the cost of streaming to you for free, because while the stream may be free to you, they still have to pay the artist each time, and they still have to pay all the server infrastructure that it takes to get the song to you.
This is literally actively taking something of monetary value from a company that actively feels a very real (albeit, small or otherwise) loss, not a "potential" loss.
Trying to relabel it as "freeloading at most" doesn't change that at all. Freeloading is still a form of theft, it's just used to convey a softer tone of frustration and disappointment than outright calling it "stealing".
If your friends freeload off your Netflix account, they are stealing from you. Pure and simple. You may not call it that, because they're your friends, because it's not a big deal, because they don't use it that often, whatever excuse there is, but its still the literal definition of stealing.
major_tennis ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:29:56 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Nope you just have a very broad definition of stealing and its not applicable here. And you keep implying im doing any of this im not im just having a discussion online. Netflix encourage multiple users they just limit how many can actively use it simultaneously. Certainly not theft nothing was taken. You know what its like its most comparable to a street performer. Its in the public domain its accessible without restriction. Its been published without restriction. Ad blockers are a browser add on. Its like blocking your ears when the street performer promotes his paid weekly show at the pub. You were freely able to listen to the show and the advert and you chose not to listen to his pitch . Listening to the streat performer is optional and as is taking out your ear plugs to listen to a sales pitch.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:54:19 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
No, the definition of stealing is taking something that is meant to be compensated for, without compensating anyone. Doesn't matter how complex the compensation is.
Allow me to stop this misconception right now, as you seem to be taking this personally. I am not implying that you are using Spotify with blocked ads, or that you are using a cracked Spotify. When I use the word "you", I'm referring to the hypothetical "you", not literally you.
The rest of your post is a bunch of meaningless out-of-context prose that has nothing to do with the point at hand.
To simplify it down; Spotify offers "free" access to their music on web and on mobile, with stipulations that it expects you to abide by. It's part of the ToS you agree to when you sign up for it.
On the web, you're expected to be okay with advertising that is used directly to pay for the cost of paying the artists every time you stream, and to help pay for the infrastructure used to deliver the stream to you, a non-paying customer.
When you block ads, you are depriving them of that compensation. When you deprive someone of compensation for something and take that something anyway, you are stealing it. When we talk about whether or not there's a "loss" involved, in this case, there is, because Spotify's net change is negative; they not only pay for the infrastructure to deliver you that stream, they have to pay each artists you listen to.
This isn't hard, but your post reeks of justification and rationalization. I think we're at a point where you're arguing something that's not relevant and I don't really know if there's anything to be gained by clarifying it once more.
major_tennis ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:29:51 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I believe that definition is slightly biasly worded in your favour. Thanks for addressing that and i made the same mistake in a discussion somwhere below. My mistake for taking it personally. I think an ad view is a hypothetical potential earning they may never have attained. Its not meaningless it was an analogy i was using to make my point. I appologise for using these examples that from your perspective are incoherent ramblings. It doesnt perfectly mirror stealing an apple from a market. So im trying to make it fit. Its super complex and i think the discussion has been worthwhile. Id say my post smells just fine :p but perhaps this argument stance of mine does have implied grander opinions. Although i dont wish to discuss my character at any length. I stopped commenting on reddit because debate would rile me up but this thread ive jumped in and stayed quite calm throughout. Im really content with that. I take on board the words you have said and all though we may not share opinions we share this planet and not sure what time zone youre in but its the weekend planet wide so have a good one :)
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:41:41 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Sorry, I got kind of aggressive too. I could have definitely toned it down.
Hey, absolutely zero hard feelings whatsoever. I do not think any less of you or anything like that.
It's Friday, after all, you enjoy your weekend too!
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:53:01 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
That's like saying taking pop from a fast food joint without paying isn't stealing because the loss is so miniscule. It's still stealing.
On top of that, streaming has costs associated to listens. Internet bandwidth isn't free.
major_tennis ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 17:11:22 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
no that is stealing because it is taking something. please refer to this image https://memset.files.wordpress.com/2010/10/piracy-vs-theft.jpg . potential revenue may never have been achieved. They have not neccesarily even missed out on add revenue as the person may not have chose to listen with ads. so it is ad revenue they never would have gotten. and the infrastructure costs for that single song broadcast is even more microscopic. it wasn't stolen though it just didn't reach its potential
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:14:16 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
That's a hilariously pedantic way to look at it. So it might not be stealing but it's still against the law and it's still consuming something without an exchange of value. Okay.
major_tennis ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 17:24:36 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
also sorry to reply twice. but ive made this point with my gf a few discussions recently. the law isn't the best moral compass. It would be illegal for me to take in the homeless in my area. it's legal for the bank to charge you ยฃ25 for being 0.10 over drawn. its a crazy world.
Third_Grammar_Reich ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:45:22 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It's been a few years since I learned about it, so I might be a little wrong about some of the details, but there was a psychologist who saw six levels of moral development. The lowest tiers were fear of punishment and the desire for rewards. The middle two levels had to do with understanding that rules and laws serve a purpose, and you should follow them because society is better when people follow the rules, and you have a duty to be a good citizen (moral philosophers call this social contract theory). The top levels of development involved the ability to transcend the law and see when rules and laws should be broken.
I looked it up and here's the Wikipedia article: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lawrence_Kohlberg%27s_stages_of_moral_development
major_tennis ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:35:12 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
that's really interesting, thanks for sharing. may aid me in future debates
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 17:53:13 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I've also defended overdraw and NSF fees before as well but whatever.
That homeless thing is insane though. It's not like there's even a registry for homeless people. Plus, who's to say you didn't just become friends and you let him stay over.
prollyshmokin ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:02:06 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
lol. What? Do you defend monopolies too?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:12:49 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Definitely no, which is why I defend Spotify in this case.
I'd rather not get into banking fees like that tho.
major_tennis ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:17:40 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
consuming is a good choice of word. as if it was food the food would be gone. the content the infrastructure everything remains. We have different views and thats ok. I certainly am being pedantic but the definition of stealing has always been a battle i pick. I accidentally picked like 6 battles in this thread and karma has delt me the ramifications RIP my inbox. just for the record. I have paid for spotify but didn't get enough use out of it to justify the monthly expense.
noreturnnosurrender ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:58:23 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
did you even fucking read what you replied to or just parrot the same tired pro piracy bullshit catch phrases?
Spotify HAS TO PAY MONEY every time a song is played. You are CAUSING A DIRECT LOSS, not just loss of potential revenue
major_tennis ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:12:24 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
they pay like 1 pence per like 1000 listens. i'm not saying that this isn't at cost to them. I'm saying nobody took it. nothing was taken https://memset.files.wordpress.com/2010/10/piracy-vs-theft.jpg
noreturnnosurrender ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 17:13:48 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
well you could either do intense mental gymnastics and useless semantic nitpicking to justify what you're doing...
...or you could stop being a fucking parasite
major_tennis ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 17:20:24 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
hey man, you're making an ass out of you and me. I whitelist websites. I recently just canceled my spotify after being a paying user for quite some time. I'm a web developer so i care about advertising as a legitimate revenue stream. I just disagree with it being called theft or stealing its way more complex than that. to loosely quote the simpsons stealing cable is a victimless crime . allthough i only just realised i disagree with the use of 'stealing' in that quote. great episode
noreturnnosurrender ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:22:27 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
What you fail to realise since your very first post is that we're not talking about loss of revenue, we're talking about literal monetary loss, for bandwidth and licensing fees.
major_tennis ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 17:29:20 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
well while we're on the discussion of difficult to quantify metrics. there is value in users trying out the service some of them convert to paying users. some of them find artists they like and get tickets to the shows. I will agree that 92million users or something not watching the ads would contribute to bandwidth costs. I would move that this was calculated risk by spotify. and would maintain that nothing was stolen.
bearvsshaan ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 16:43:26 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It's absolutely stealing. You're consuming something without contributing to the cost through means that block their terms of service.
Opportunity cost is definitely a thing. I'm not sure if you're saying that Spotify likely models for this (I'm sure they do, you're right here), but don't try and justify the shitty behavior of people blocking ads as if it isn't stealing. They are consuming content that they is supposed to be ad-supported while blocking ads. That's stealing.
major_tennis ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:09:04 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
it's not theft though, I didnt try and justify what is in your opinion shitty behaviour. I would have just been going over the technicalities that make this not stealing. it's kinda like piracy but spotify are broadcasting. https://memset.files.wordpress.com/2010/10/piracy-vs-theft.jpg
uniqueguy263 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 17:11:16 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Youโre forcing Spotify to pay while paying them nothing
fellatious_argument ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 22:05:24 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
So the distributors who take 99.999% of the profits are the victims and the people running ad block are the thieves, got it.
bigsquirrel ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 02:49:17 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
However you justify it to yourself.
xorgol ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 15:26:44 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The difference is that generally speaking you don't know if something else has been changed in the app. Ethically, none.
PM-ME-YOUR-UNDERARMS ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:22:42 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Slight difference. I use browser adblock because some ads are are malicious and I understand people who do the same as long as they Whitelist the website afterwards. Spotify doesn't do any malicious ads so blocking it is a dick move
klesus ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 17:44:31 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
They haven't served any malicious ads yet. If you block ads for security reasons doing so on the premise that nothing will happen then you're doing it wrong. Just because I live in a safe neighborhood and never had a break-in doesn't mean that I will leave my door open when I leave for work.
roadrunnersk ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 15:28:37 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, Spotify does have malicious ads. They are at three times the volume of their music.
Sounds malicious as fuck to me.
The_Sensation ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 15:34:24 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Permanent ear damage is probably worse than some malware/crypto miner if you ask me.
tomegranate ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:35:46 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I don't think there is one. My attitude is that if you don't like the ads (and that includes targeted ads and related tracking) on a website, don't visit the website. Don't try and get something for free, that people are trying to make a living from. Websites take time and money to create and supply, no-one is entitled to enjoy them for free.
RVAndal ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 16:18:12 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
nah sites with intrusive ads can blow me
Eight_square ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:14:39 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Spotify's ads are the definition of intrusiveness and more.
Matt_has_Soul ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 16:22:19 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Tell this to those websites which blast ads at you. It's not like you can just know how their advertising works before opening a webpage
tomegranate ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 16:24:16 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Sigh... do you really need this explained? If you don't like the ads the website uses, close the page and avoid their site in future.
Matt_has_Soul ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 16:34:46 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Oh so I should just remember all the sites which have horrible ads?
I DON'T want to support that shit.
SinkTube ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:51:03 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
technically you could block their domain entirely so you cant accidentally visit them
tomegranate ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:39:26 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
If they really bother you that much, I'm sure you'd remember before too long. If you don't visit them often enough to remember, then you probably don't have an issue to complain about.
uniqueguy263 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 17:11:45 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You're talking about almost every site
tomegranate ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:15:56 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Huh?
uniqueguy263 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 17:23:08 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Made it clearer. Pretty much all sites have shitty ads
tomegranate ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:28:59 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Thanks. I don't see what difference that makes to my argument. Even if all websites have annoying adds, that still doesn't mean its okay to try and circumvent the means by which that content is paid for - i.e. hosting ads. Don't visit the websites. You're not entitled to free content produced by people trying to make a living.
There are some free sources of news and information out there that don't have ads, if ads bother you so much then they are available to you.
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 16:17:58 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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merreborn ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 17:07:15 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It's a pretty simple matter of "voting with your wallet", so to speak.
If the advertising sucks, don't use the product. Reward the companies that don't run trash advertising by visiting their sites instead.
tomegranate ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:36:39 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Horseshit. I'm by no means a capitalist, but the fact is that all companies need to make money to be able to pay people for their work. For many websites, ad revenue is the main way they do this. Trying to subvert this is just reflects a self-centred, immature, ignorant mindset.
I like alcohol, but I find busy bars with loud music really annoying, so I don't go to busy bars with loud music. I don't tell the owners to turn the music down and throw out half their patrons, or set a noise-proof booth in the middle of the bar so that I can control the experience.
major_tennis ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:41:23 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
websites are broadcast publicly. If the website wants to impose restrictions that is its right. I feel like what you're saying would mean people walking past an open air rock concert in a near by field should block their ears because they didn't buy a ticket. The festival is likely doing just fine from ticket sales and theres no need to place it in a more remote location to increasive exclusivity. no one is entitled but no one is prevented or has to take any real measures to circumnavigate
tomegranate ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:47:27 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Unless I'm misunderstanding, your metaphor doesn't work at all, sorry. Anyone visiting a website is the audience, whether they block ads or not. People walking past a concert are not the audience. The comparison doesn't make any sense.
major_tennis ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:09:50 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
basically anything you put out there is out there. There is the intended audience and other people that haven't been restricted.
tomegranate ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:23:58 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
No. A website is 'put out there' on the basis that you don't pay to read it, because it's supported by ad revenue. Anyone visiting a website is the 'intended audience', even if they block ads. If you try to circumvent that arrangement, you undermine the means by which the content is produced. Doing so is your choice - it's not forced on you by the content provider.
major_tennis ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:34:37 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
a website is typically a private server configured with some port forwarding and associated with a public domain. once that happens its in the public domain. copyright protects against redistributing. ad revenue may help with costs but its not a contractual obligation. neither is allowing users to listen or read. Just my coworker once said if you think about a tv show or a song as a piece of information like "the sky is blue" once you have broadcast it publicly its just kinda out there you can't take it back people know the skies blue now.
not all websites have advertisements. Some have paid subscriptions.
tomegranate ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:45:03 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I'm sure all of that is true, but these technical and legal considerations are irrelevant to my point: By blocking ads on a website which depends on ad revenue to stay in business, you are making a choice which is detrimental to the means of production of something you benefit from.
Just because you can do something (legally and technically), doesn't mean you should.
major_tennis ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 17:54:40 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Spotify doesn't depend on ad revenue it has many revenue streams and takes calculated risks. I can't be sure that you mean me when you say 'you are making a choice'. I'm not i've been a paying customer on and off. i often whitelist on addblock twitch.tv is a notable one as i want to support the streamers and I work in web development so i'm all for advertising as a source of revenue. Just an interesting discussion about broadcasting intelectual property. I also posted a reply to someone else below, thats kinda similar to your last sentiment.,
"ive made this point with my gf a few discussions recently. the law isn't the best moral compass. It would be illegal for me to take in the homeless in my area. it's legal for the bank to charge you ยฃ25 for being 0.10 over drawn. its a crazy world. "
https://www.reddit.com/r/Android/comments/86klzp/spotify_says_about_two_million_users_suppressing/dw6540n/
tomegranate ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:00:31 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah I was just talking about websites at this point. But I think the same general principles apply to blocking ads on Spotify free.
Sorry I should've been clearer, I didn't mean you personally.
Good discussing with you! :)
SinkTube ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 16:55:12 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
ok, new example. is this man pirating the football match by watching from his window instead of going down and buying a ticket?
tomegranate ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:57:31 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
No. He is not getting the same service/experience he would get if he bought a ticket. I still don't get your point :)
SinkTube ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:52:02 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
huh? this is the first time you mention getting the same service/experience, your original point was "Don't try and get something for free, that people are trying to make a living from."
and that's exactly what the window man is doing. he's watching the game for free even though the players and organizers are trying to make a living from it
tomegranate ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:15:55 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I think you're being very pedantic and intentionally misunderstanding the point of what I'm saying, and I won't humour you.
SinkTube ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:25:44 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
no, i didnt understand your point because you literally hadnt gotten to it yet. that was the first time you mentioned getting the same service/experience
tomegranate ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:29:59 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Sorry dude, this is pointless. You can think what you want, I don't think you're interested in discussing this sensibly,
SinkTube ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:40:12 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
right, my inability to predict your future comments means i'm not taking this seriously /s
tomegranate ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:49:33 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Trying to compare plainly dissimilar things to prove a point means you're not taking this seriously.
SinkTube ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:55:34 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
in what way are they dissimilar, other than that one isnt electronic?
tomegranate ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:02:20 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Try and figure out for yourself. As I've already said, I'm not humouring you on this.
SinkTube ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:12:56 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
AKA you're shutting down because you know you're wrong
tomegranate ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:17:51 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
What statement have I made that was 'wrong'?
SinkTube ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:35:35 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
your whole argument is wrong. you move the goalposts from "Don't try and get something for free, that people are trying to make a living from" to "getting the same service/experience" and expect us to have retroactively known you were going to do that. then you dismiss me pointing out the massive illogicality of your argument as "being pedantic", and to top it off you think i'm the one not interested in discussing this sensibly
tomegranate ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:58:00 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I haven't 'moved the goalposts', you utter turnip, You asked a question and I answered it - it's not my fault that whatever point you were trying to make with your question was irrelevant to my argument. Man watching football from his house for free is not directly comparable to someone using Spotify for free, so inevitably my answer is going to be different!
SinkTube ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:47:51 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
it's 100% directly comparable according to the terms you originally set: "Don't try and get something for free, that people are trying to make a living from"
tomegranate ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:08:05 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Some bloke watching a match by standing on a stepladder for 90 minutes, craning his neck out of a window and staring from over the other side of the road is not the thing that people are trying to make a living from. Watching from near the edge of the pitch, sitting in a chair, surrounded by fellow supporters and shouting shit at the other side is what people are paying for, which is why your attempt at making a comparison is a load of old shit.
SinkTube ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:41:56 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
haha what? no shit that's not what they're trying to make a living from, that's the method he's using to circumvent paying them. the same way that websites make money off ads and not off people who install software to circumvent said ads
tomegranate ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:17:20 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
But he's not getting the same thing as people who've paid to get in, so it's not a valid comparison to people who are circumventing ads, because they DO get the same thing as people who don't block ads. People blocking ads aren't looking at the website from over someone's shoulder, on a tiny screen held at an awkward angle
SinkTube ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:27:13 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
both have pros and cons. window guy gets a worse view, but gets to sit in the comfort of his home instead of crushing into a crowd of rowdy fans. adblockers get a website where content isnt covered by ads, but has to go to the effort of finding cracked APKs, sniffing out ad domains so he can add them to the blocklist, and being careful not to trip the antiadblock many sites use
uMac79 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:02:29 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
No difference, no. In both cases advertisements pay for the service you are enjoying.
dsigned001 ยท 4339 points ยท Posted at 13:46:32 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I wonder if that has something to do with cranking the volume on the ads to be way louder than the music...
Reacher-Said-Nothing ยท 156 points ยท Posted at 14:55:56 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
That was my favourite part about Soundcloud, was that their seek bar was also a VU meter, so when I was listening to podcasts of Star Talk Radio, I could see exactly where the ads begin and end by the sudden massive bulge in the seek bar volume.
pm_me_your_Yi_plays ยท 132 points ยท Posted at 17:52:12 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
notices bulge OwO WHAT'S THIS?!!
utybo ยท 25 points ยท Posted at 19:20:16 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
OWO WHAT'S THIS???!?!?!!!
MrAwwesome ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 20:47:41 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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pm_me_your_Yi_plays ยท 23 points ยท Posted at 20:48:58 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Give my IQ back to me
MrAwwesome ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 20:56:06 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
N E V E R
JediThug ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:41:02 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Here you go...
LocutusOfBorges ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 01:33:32 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
please stop
MrAwwesome ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 01:52:06 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
O boy, sorry
daddymister modFedoraus ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 18:22:46 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Musky
tenhou ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 18:47:18 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Does anybody else feel they super rarely get any SoundCloud ads?
fingers-crossed ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:45:28 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I mainly listen to mixes/radio shows and hardly ever get SC ads.
raytian ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 18:46:09 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Soundcloud still exists right?
[deleted] ยท 487 points ยท Posted at 14:36:55 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Holy fuck this. This was literally the reason why I even looked for a way to suppress it. One moment I'm chilling with some low volume music and the next there is a voice screaming at me to buy Spotify Premium.
edit: Apparently people are butthurt over me saying this. It's about the fact that the ad plays on full volume and literally hurt my ears. That shit is not OK and they refuse to change it. There were also instances of honking or car engines revving in certain ads.
dsigned001 ยท 218 points ยท Posted at 15:41:08 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, I love how people are trying to make it out like it's not a thing. I don't mind ads in my background music if the ads also stay in the background. But when I have background music and then am getting my eardrums blown out by ads, it's not a pleasant experience.
Drithyin ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 18:30:16 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It's not that the ads aren't problematic (they are), but the response to them should be "I'll use a competing service", not "I'll steal your service".
dsigned001 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:35:47 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
What if there isn't a competing service?
Drithyin ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 18:41:08 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
No competing service with Spotify?
Like, you mean what if there was no such thing as Amazon Music, Apple Music, Deezer, Google Play Music, 8tracks, Pandora, SoundsCloud, Tidal, Youtube Red, Napster, etc?
Quit your bullshit.
TastesGreatIceCold ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 21:10:30 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You forgot torrents
notlogic ยท -10 points ยท Posted at 18:13:13 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
But that's the price for their service. Pay money, or suffer the ads.
If you don't like the model, go to another streaming service. Don't steal from the service and the artists.
EveViol3T ยท 30 points ยท Posted at 18:22:32 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Louder ads than programming on TV violates broadcasting regulations. Why does Spotify get the pass to do this?
notlogic ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 18:25:25 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Probably because the regulation doesn't apply to them.
If you think it should, I can think of two ways you can encourage Spotify to change:
EveViol3T ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 18:28:35 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Or 3. turn down the volume when the ads come on and go about my day
Smarag ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 19:29:57 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Or you know install an adblocker and stop caring about the stable geniuses on Reddit that think copyright infringement and loss of "potential sales" (which aren't even really potential sales, because most people who pirate a $10 / month service aren't going to buy the service if they can't or they would have to begin with) equals theft of property where actual real people lose something of value.
EveViol3T ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:42:24 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Is that still possible while gaming on ps4 and listening to Spotify? And to be clear, the ads I have no problem with, they're part of the deal when not having a paid subscription. The increased volume is problematic under those circumstances. I would rather them still get their revenue for even the small amount they pay their artists. Any chance that there is an add-on or app that makes the volume consistent? Because with a headset the sudden amplified volume is gonna give me tinnitus ffs
Mr_MisterJake ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:16:11 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Sue them for your tinnitus and then you will have the money to pay for a subscription.
EveViol3T ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:18:25 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I already have the money to pay for a subscription. I refuse to give it to a company that fucks over artists though...voting with your dollar is hard but necessary. Listening to ads seems like a fair exchange, as long as they're not deafening.
ACardAttack ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 20:43:33 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It's not the ads, it's the volume of the ads compared to music that a lot of people have issues with
notlogic ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:52:16 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Right. And there are other streaming services available that don't do this. That's why I offered a third option for using another streaming service.
Spotify isn't the only option.
levels-to-this ยท -25 points ยท Posted at 17:21:02 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Please stop exaggerating lol. When I was in high school and broke, I just tuned out the ads. It was a little louder but not obnoxious. Then when I got a job I paid for my Spotify like non broke, non stingy ass person. Man the fuck up and just shell out $10 a month.
fenbekus ยท -14 points ยท Posted at 17:13:22 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
How come I never witnessed ads being louder than the music itself?
dsigned001 ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 18:14:14 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Couldn't answer that. Are you a deaf person?
fenbekus ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:19:54 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
No, I'm just wondering if ads in other countries are so horrible or if people are just so sensitive.
Mr_Pigface ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:52:13 on April 18, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
No, they are definitely very loud. I run spotify mostly as background music when I am playing games, but certain ads literally make it so that I can't hear any game volume anymore. It's really unnecessary.
Hunter555 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 21:28:51 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
This is why when I decided to pay for it, I paid for Google Play music instead.
yup_its_me_again ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:08:40 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Exactly, and when I turned the volume down in the app, the ad paused!
GetTheLedPaintOut ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 15:06:46 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Did you ever think about...buying Spotify Premium?
codeverity ยท 32 points ยท Posted at 16:10:27 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I don't use Spotify but I have to say, an ad screaming at me to buy Spotify Premium would just turn me off.
KleptomaniKat ยท 109 points ยท Posted at 15:23:42 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
But if you buy Spotify Premium, the terrorists win.
GetTheLedPaintOut ยท -15 points ยท Posted at 15:26:40 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Look, the music industry is bad, but let's not go crazy here.
AdrianBrony ยท 24 points ยท Posted at 16:05:31 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I did but I decided not to because
I didn't want to
I didn't want to, and...
I didn't want to.
Straight up I'm making no excuses, I'm not going to justify piracy. I didn't want to pay for something I only use rarely so I decided not to. I know I'm not entitled to it but that isn't going to stop me.
adhi- ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:16:32 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
this is honestly slightly disturbing to me. i don't know what's worse, people just owning the piracy and even reveling in the moral absence, or those doing gymnastics to justify.
Wauughlord ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:54:02 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I personally pirate music because it's much easier to get a format that I want, the exact music that I want, and I can easily back-up my entire collection. I buy merchandise directly from the bands in order to support them; sometimes albums, but mostly other products. I specifically seek out the products/service that provides them with the largest cut of the profits.
What's your opinion on that?
ssup3rm4n ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 15:30:30 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BvQ571eAOZE
ACardAttack ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 16:21:13 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
But they're basically getting bullied into it, it's not that there are ads, it's the volume of the ads that is the issue.
[deleted] ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 20:29:51 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
OK...? Then don't use it...?
Legoman7409 ยท 22 points ยท Posted at 15:27:25 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, honestly Spotify is very reasonably priced. If you're a student you can get that Hulu/Spotify combo for only 5 a month. Or you can just do the family plan with your friends and split the cost to 2.50 a month.
bozackDK ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:54:36 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Unless you're a student in a non-American country, that doesn't have one of those magical .edu e-mail addresses -_-
But, erh, isn't the family plan supposed to be used for families? Is it fine to split it between friends that don't even live together?
To me, the cost of Spotify Premium has driven me to not even use Spotify. It is just too much. It was really nice for the couple of trial weeks, but not near good enough to be worth even half the price I'd have to pay.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:30:13 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You can send them a picture of your student ID to get a discount.
bozackDK ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:38:24 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Oh trust me, I actually tried. They didn't want to accept it :/
Same case with many other similar programs of student discounts... they just won't make it easy for anyone but Americans. Such a hassle.
Legoman7409 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 19:35:25 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
While the family plan is most likely intend for families, there's no way they can even possibly know who is related to you. Some people consider friends family, so why not. I used a family plan with a group of friends until I started school. Though I would pay full price for Spotify. It says solid service that does exactly what I need. It's really person to person though so I can't really say it's worth it for anyone else.
Wauughlord ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:50:40 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I don't have a dog in this race, but are you saying "Don't block the ads, that's a dick move, instead you should lie and use their family service with friends to get it cheaper"? Why is muting/blocking the ads wrong, but getting the product at a reduced cost through a loophole okay?
It's like saying movie piracy is wrong then splitting the cost of a DVD then ripping it. They say you can copy it for personal use, that means it's okay, right?
Legoman7409 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:56:24 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Morals are all subjective. What seems right to you won't necessarily be right to me. That's just how it is.
[deleted] ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 15:54:43 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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GetTheLedPaintOut ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 16:01:48 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You are not entitled to an awesome free service.
[deleted] ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 16:55:34 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 20:30:29 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
K. Feel free to go use them.
eskimoFry ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 18:15:22 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
And corporations are not entitled to screw over customers with shady practices
808sAndPoundcake ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:45:21 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Youโre not really a paying customer tho
Zalbu ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:19:29 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
They don't, if you don't pay then you're not a customer
GetTheLedPaintOut ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:17:02 on March 26, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
This isn't shady, just shitty.
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 20:30:50 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You can pick anything else dude.
AdrianBrony ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:06:19 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I know I'm not but Imma take it anyway.
breakwrist_walkaway ยท -6 points ยท Posted at 16:06:32 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You get what you pay for
[deleted] ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 16:55:53 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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breakwrist_walkaway ยท -6 points ยท Posted at 17:08:54 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I pay to be able to listen to music without ads at all. Non-premium wasn't even an option in my mind when I switched from Pandora to Spotify because $10/mo is nothing for what you get.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 17:30:40 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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breakwrist_walkaway ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:38:26 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
If you're just going to choose to steal music regardless, what is Spotify's incentive to listen to your input?
SlavSy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:40:51 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not going to "steal" music regardless. I'm going to download music if spotify's free service is cancer. It is cancer, so I either a) download it, or b) cut out the ads with a mod.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:31:27 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Ya that's stealing music bud
SlavSy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:33:31 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Sure. That's not my point though. If spotify didn't earrape me, I wouldn't steal the music.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:35:28 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
But you are. That's /u/breakwrist_walkaway 's point. Might as well own up to it.
SlavSy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:38:14 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
No no you misunderstand. I'm saying that I won't steal music normally, if spotify's free service wasn't shit. But because it is, I do what I must.
Sorry if my previous comment is worded incorrectly. I am aware that I'm pirating.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:40:07 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
This is the weird rationalization that sticks out to me all the time in these threads. No, you don't have to steal anything. You're doing it anyways though. That's the point.
SlavSy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:46:33 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Let me begin by saying that what I'm doing isn't "stealing" by nature, and that's why i used quotations and dislike the word.
Stealing is taking something from someone. Rather, I'm making a copy.
And yes, before you reply, just because it isn't technically stealing doesn't make it morally correct, or hell, even legal.
I'm just saying that if spotify ran their free service better, they'd have more users, which in turn would generate more profit from them through ad revenue, and some users after liking it enough would purchase a subscription.
But no, they have a terrible free service, and as such I don't use it. Their loss.
So let me rephrase your final statement to this: I don't have to pay for spotify. So I don't. That's the point.
808sAndPoundcake ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:49:16 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
If itโs not stealing, itโs fraud. Imagine you own a public bathroom or something that costs $0.25 to use. If people just jump the turnstile theyโre not taking anything from you, but theyโre using your product/service under false pretenses. The agreement is that the customer pays for the product, but you decided that for whatever reason the agreement doesnโt apply to you. If itโs not stealing itโs some other crime.
SlavSy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:12:10 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I understand.. its wrong to think piracy is moral, but its also wrong to think piracy is stealing. Thats what I was addressing in my comment.
And actually the toilet scenario isnt quite right. Because if someone jumps in and uses it, theyre dirtying it. They actually are stealing, you have to pay for water that runs in the pipes they just flushed.
Making a copy of a movie? Nothing gets damaged.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:17:58 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
No, it's stealing. You're just rationalizing an immoral act. You might realize it eventually, but for now this seems like a pointless discussion.
SlavSy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:01:39 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Seems like you missed my point entirely. no point in finishing this conversation. Goodbye.
eskimoFry ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:16:40 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I would like to buy a cd of music. Earlier it meant i can listen to it without hooking up to the internet and being under the whim of a company who decide to shove ads because they want to make more money than the artists
808sAndPoundcake ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:46:17 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
People still sell individual albums
[deleted] ยท -8 points ยท Posted at 15:33:04 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
They're literally bullying people to buy it. I don't reward bullies.
And if you think I'm actually listening to anything those ads say you're mistaken.
GetTheLedPaintOut ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 15:35:23 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Bullying people into paying $10 a month to receive virtually every song ever? Man, bullies these days are sooooft.
Awkwardtaco56 ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 15:45:53 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
They're running a shitty ad model to intentionally annoy people into buying premium.
GetTheLedPaintOut ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 16:01:12 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yes. And you can either put up with the shit, quit, or buy. There are a ton of competitors. You are not entitled to an awesome free service.
GoGoGadgetGeobbels ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:31:28 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Or suppress the ads. That's an option too.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:32:06 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, you could steal. Most people don't support that, but yeah people steal all the time.
GoGoGadgetGeobbels ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:47:24 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
That's not stealing lad. I don't think you know what theft is, because there's no universe in which that's considered theft.
Theft requires one party to LOSE something they already have.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:14:09 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Good rationalization. Doesn't change the truth though.
GoGoGadgetGeobbels ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:00:29 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I don't see how it's a "rationalization" lad, it's the truth. You can't call something theft if nothing if one party is not losing something.
Honestly, the "anti-adblocker" people in this thread are reading like those old anti-piracy ads you'd see at the start of DVDs. "You wouldn't download a car" and all that
KCintheOC ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 15:56:26 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
By encouraging you to buy premium? How diabolical of them.
Peekman ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 16:04:40 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
That's not what bullying means.
Bullies use intimidation to get what they want. Are you being scared into buying premium??
It's funny how people justify their cheapness.
SneakyNinja37 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:08:32 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Bullying isn't just intimidation. There are millions of ways people bully others and millions more that get bullied by ways other than intimidation.
$10 to you may not be much a month but to some, it might be the difference in paying a bill, eating, or other things you as an individual take for granted. Your standards are not someone else's,thats what makes the world function so poorly. Assumptions and butthurt
Peekman ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:33:02 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
English definition of bullying:
Bullying always involves intimidation.
SneakyNinja37 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:28:58 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I still stand firm on my second statement. It's all a matter of point of view. What you deem a certain viewpoint from your perspective isn't always going to be someone else's
breakwrist_walkaway ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 16:12:07 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Don't bullshit. You wouldn't "reward" them by paying for the service even if they did lower the ad volume.
SirensToGo ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:49:07 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
What do you suggest they do instead then?
[deleted] ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 15:49:50 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Not increase the volume(read: put it on 100%) when playing ads.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:32:23 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Why would they do that?
Oran9eUtan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:09:10 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Not only the Volume, but only Spotify Premium ads for me. Before I went crazy I considered leaving. Only reason I staid is Premium for Studenten ๐
Rangersguy11 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:39:23 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You are stealing from a business who offers a well functioning and fairly priced service over something extremely petty and that makes you a bad person. The fact you're justifying it makes you a bad person though, not the fact you did it.
Let's go steal someone's car cause they pissed me off when they continuously screamed in my ear at a hockey game instead of asking them to stop. Let us just steal every time we are upset instead of acting like decent people. You are hardcore stealing that spotify... that'll really show them how shitty they are.
eskimoFry ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 18:18:15 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Businesses are stealing from artists by being the middleman and removing viable means of acquiring music like via CDs.
808sAndPoundcake ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:51:18 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I think Spotify actually has links to artistsโ mercy like CDs on the artistsโ page
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 17:40:39 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
What am I stealing exactly?
808sAndPoundcake ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:51:58 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Their service. Youโre breaking the agreement that their service is for those who pay.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:55:30 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Their offering a free version with restricted functionality + ads. All I'm doing is muting spotify when the ads come on.
Spotify literally doesn't lose anything by this.
SemiSeriousSam ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:23:53 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Then they shouldn't offer it for free. Oh wait, that would destroy them as a company.
Zilveari ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:58:39 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Hey kid... any chance I could interest you in a bit of this Spotify Premium? It's Grade A shit bro!
adhi- ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:14:47 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
then you have the power to stop using spotify if you don't like it. holy shit, the entitlement. if you don't like a app stop using it. don't illegally modify it.
you have absolutely no excuse for your behavior. just stop trying
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:20:28 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The free edition is still limited by certain functions. I'm merely muting the sound when the ads come up. How is this any different from not looking at ads on a webpage?
Then can always remove the free version. But since they literally don't lose anything from "thiefs" like me why should they?
gubbinsmcgee ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 15:03:30 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Sounds the the voice was screaming at you with the way to suppress it. Why did you need to look?
Drithyin ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:29:24 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Drop Spotify and pay for a competing service.
mainsworth ยท -6 points ยท Posted at 15:19:20 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
They're literally telling you how to suppress it.
perpetuumstef ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 16:06:04 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
youโre spot on
Jimbuscus ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:13:25 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
This is what it feels like, they're not even profiting off the adverts they make themselves
It's a punishment for using the free version, not an alternative funding
RavetcoFX ยท 2236 points ยท Posted at 13:58:17 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I think some people are just cheap and want everything for free
battler624 ยท 104 points ยท Posted at 14:31:21 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Really depends on how the ads are served.
I used to run regular youtube with my playlist on my way to college but after a certain time ads became long and happen before every video. I didn't do much one the first week but goddamn it became so annoying listening to 2 minutes of ads between ~1.5 minutes of each video (anime OP's/Eds). At that moment I switched to vanced and well, I now got background play with it so that was even better.
I have no idea how spotify serves the ads so I cant comment on them because spotify itself doesn't work in my country (Pretty much nothing is available music streaming wise) but if it happened every 2 songs and for < 30 seconds I wouldn't mind it at all.
Knappsterbot ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:57:04 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I decided to pay for no ads. If you're going to use the service, then support them.
Arkanta ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 15:59:49 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I wish Google gave me that option, ugh. Please Google, bring Red to my country. My credit card is ready
battler624 ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 15:59:49 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I dont mind a little annoyance, but when my ad listen time is twice than my youtube listen time? yeaa no.
Knappsterbot ยท -7 points ยท Posted at 16:01:09 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Okay? So pay for YouTube Red. It's ten bucks and you get Play Music too.
battler624 ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 16:25:09 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Sooo if you read my main post you'd realise that there is nothing that I can do to solve this. No streaming service is available (I am considering youtube red a streaming service).
Knappsterbot ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:37:40 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah I missed that part. They really should roll it out world wide already.
[deleted] ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 18:35:11 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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pyromantics ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 17:56:43 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I used to complain about that as well, but YouTube really has gotten better about ad placement. If you haven't tried it out in awhile, give it a shot.
Apllejuice ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 19:42:42 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It's still cancer that EVERY video on mobile has an ad now and none of them are relevant. Remember 10 second ads or 1 min skippable ones? Now they're all 30 seconds unskippable (or 2 minutes with skip). It's ridiculous.
mastersword130 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 19:58:10 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
All in HD regardless if you are on wifi or not. Shit is rage inducing.
Apllejuice ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 20:07:04 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Doesn't matter what connection you're on, ads will play in 4k. The actual video you wanna watch? Starts at 480 and then gets to 10 seconds in before buffering and just stops working entirely. ๐
battler624 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 18:10:40 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I switched to vanced when shit became too bad which was very recent (feb at the latest).
mastersword130 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:57:22 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Thank you for telling my about vanced. Was using YouTube on Firefox, destop mode for my phone. Background play... fucking finally. I remember when that was a staple for YouTube. I'm not paying for something I got for free before or other video apps don't do.
SushiGato ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:52:48 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
This is what people fail to get. You like spotify and want it to continue? Then support them. I work for a company that has a big problem with the public just using us and not buying things. We're most likely going to close hundreds of stores this year due to this and people will be upset.
Xet ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:31:22 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Mobile firefox with ublock origin on mobile does the trick if you want to watch/listen to youtube on your phone.
saiddigge ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:20:58 on July 26, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Deezer is available in nearly every country on the planet. Try that. It's a Spotify rival and they have a comparable size of music content
ask_for_pgp ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 14:47:28 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
what's vanced? sideloaded app?
BingoFishy ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 14:51:55 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah it's basically YouTube red but free and without the shows (most aren't very good anyways)
itsjosh18 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:55:05 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Mind field is the only one worth watching and itโs kinda like Mythbusters
battler624 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 15:35:46 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Youtube vanced, a modded youtube app with background play and no ads
PeterDarker ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:28:04 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Background play?! I remember when that existed and was stripped away... itโs a beautiful day.
[deleted] ยท -7 points ยท Posted at 14:55:49 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Seriously blah blah blah "I watched a lot of ads"
scootstah ยท 37 points ยท Posted at 14:59:55 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah and it makes me sad, because as a paying customer I'm going to be the one that gets fucked to make up for it.
lordderplythethird ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 15:11:08 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
yup...
Fuck me for liking a service a company provides and wanting to legitimately pay them for it.
Bluntmasterflash1 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 15:20:11 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
and your little dog too.
dsigned001 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:09:04 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
No, you won't. You'll get fucked because the service will get bought out by people who want to make the service shitty to drive people to their other shitty service. Looking at you Hulu. They didn't start sucking because people were blocking ads (which I did not do). They started sucking because a TV company bought them out and felt that the number of ads wasn't close enough to being on par with TV.
theoxandmoon ยท 575 points ยท Posted at 13:59:44 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Watching people justify stealing with reasons like "the ads are too loud" is pretty sad
To everyone replying: You are stealing from the artist when you stream their content for free. Spotify can't pay artists if they don't have money.
MasterGrok ยท 185 points ยท Posted at 14:29:20 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The ads being too loud and people being cheap bastards aren't mutually exclusive.
GetTheLedPaintOut ยท 47 points ยท Posted at 15:06:02 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I think the ads are too loud. So I pay for the ad free model. Getting more songs than I could ever dream of for $120 a year is an incredible deal.
xorgol ยท 39 points ยท Posted at 15:17:02 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
With that kind of money I could change phone every two years instead of every four. I mean, my solution is not using Spotify at all instead of complaining about the ads, but โฌ120 a year is nothing to scoff at. It's about what I spend on clothing, on average, and I cannot choose not to buy clothes.
Moruitelda ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:25:54 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Back in my day, we could download songs from iTunes for $0.99 instead of having to buy the entire album at FYE for $19.99 to get three songs that we wanted, and we were thankful.
fairie_poison ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 18:14:15 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
and at the same time i was on limewire getting 56 kbps mp3s of Bill Clinton denying having sexual relations with monica lewinsky and i was HAPPY ABOUT IT.
j1202 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:11:17 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
back in your day everyone smart was just using limewire
wheelyjoe ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 15:32:37 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It's ยฃ5 for student and ยฃ9.99 for everyone else a month. Given that between that and a netflix sub and your internet connection and you're basically done for a reasonably full set of media.
Nothing to scoff at is subjective, the value saving is objective. If you listen to music a lot, or even a reasonable amount, you're doing very well out of it.
A single album a month will cost you more than that.
If you don't have that money, I get it, but it's actual value vs the alternative is VERY good.
PointyOintment ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:38:38 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Is nudism illegal where you live?
xorgol ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:44:37 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
There are nudist beaches, outside of those areas you can be fined and charged with indecent exposure. More importantly, the sun burns my skin in the summer and it's cold in the winter. I patch my clothes a lot to stay in the budget, and I bum discarded clothes from my relatives.
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 15:39:44 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It's actually a lot of money but the value of it is having pretty much every song ever recorded at your fingertips. For me it's worth it because I use google music and with google assistant it's really quite smart about what specific song I want or what artist i want or what playlist, etc.
With the google home integration I can just call out any music i want any time and it just plays anywhere in my apartment. The same goes for guests. That's pretty cool and ultimately it's worth $10 a month even though technically I could attempt to pirate a gigantic collection of music and approach it that way. However, the number of roadblocks I'd hit doing it that way would destroy the seamless integration google has going on with it's paid service.
Supertrinko ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:13:10 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
This is where Spotify is screwing some people. He's paying $120. You're paying โฌ120. Someone else is paying ยฃ120.
Spotify act like this is fair.
xorgol ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:16:08 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I mean they're still losing money, that's what's really iffy.
[deleted] ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 16:48:57 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
...Where are you getting phones for $240?
drugsrgay ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 17:02:50 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Are non-flagship phones not phones?
10waf ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 17:08:11 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Moto G4, best phone I've had. $199
xorgol ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:47:48 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Amazon. Moto G.
fairie_poison ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:12:32 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
you mean 10,000 songs in your library and then no more for you?
EthanWeber ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:26:35 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You can listen to any song without adding it to your library
major_tennis ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:27:35 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
you don't own any of them though, you don't even get access to the files
Bolo_strike ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:27:01 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Is this the part where we pretend 120$ is peanuts to everyone? Cool.
How about reversing the fall of the middle class before complaining about how there aren't enough paying customers? Nah.
EthanWeber ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 20:25:13 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It's $10/month. If anyone needs music so badly but can't spare $10 for it then their problem is found somewhere in their budget or income. It's not a lot of money. It's the cost of a few coffees. A sandwich or two. In a MONTH. Just above minimum wage, 1 hour of work.
Bolo_strike ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:33:38 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You're not making any sort of argument, just displaying your entitlement. Oh, the issue is in their budget? So if they just had a much larger one this wouldn't happen? My how perceptive.
LegendaryRaider69 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:54:53 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
That's a pretty herculean task for Spotify to take on, lol.
Bolo_strike ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:01:11 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I was referring to working class people with their head in the sand talking about "I pay my fair share, why can't everyone else!?" Not spotify. And going voting and using your money wisely is no Herculean task at all.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:17:16 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You have access to that music either way, Spotify doesnt provide you any type of service you wouldn't already have. They pay their artists shit, that money is going to spotify exec and label owners. The amount of rent they're able to extract from millions of unsuspecting idiots is unbelievable.
LegendaryRaider69 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:58:16 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
How do we have access to it?
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:59:45 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I've been obtaining any music I want to listen to for free from the internet for nearly two decades. Then at some point long after that spotify showed up and everybody got all excited that they could pay to listen to any song they want and have almost none of the money go to the actual artist who made that song. Kind of strange for me to watch happening, honestly.
LegendaryRaider69 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 17:08:05 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I mean, sure. I've done plenty of torrenting. I've also spent plenty of time dealing with torrents without enough seeds, malware, letters from my ISP, tracks with screwed up metadata, garbage quality audio, and so on.
I'm a little obsessive about getting all the music I want, and trying to download and categorize the full discography of 100-1000 artists is a BITCH.
And yeah. The artists are getting paid peanuts. But torrenting is hardly doing them a favour either.
YoungXanto ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:25:31 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I pay 120 for Spotify and 50 to Pandora to never hear ads. Its an amazing deal considering I listen to Spotify 8-12 hours a day while I work and my wife does the same with Pandora.
getrill ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 17:00:47 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I have a personal policy of not paying for things to avoid annoyances, I think it sends a message to marketers etc that they should make the world as unbearable as possible and the whole concept just violates my long-term peace of mind.
I don't use Spotify or any other music streaming (these days I've mostly regressed back to browsing FM in the car and that's about the extent of my music consumption), but if I were using it I'd probably consider the pirated version just for the "fuck off with your business model" angle. If it was reasonable ads, I'd either tolerate the ads for what they are, or I'd pay not to hear them if I want an ad-free experience. If the ads are designed to make me unhappy, now you've drawn out my petty side.
Laesio ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:22:47 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
That's what people said when piracy started digging in to the profits of the entertainment industry. As it turns out, people actually do pay for legal services like Netflix and Spotify. Most of the time people are willing to stay within the legal boundaries as long as they appear reasonable.
[deleted] ยท 1392 points ยท Posted at 14:06:18 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Once companies stop trying to use deceptive ad practices, then you can make a statement like this.
EnolaLGBT ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 15:55:20 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
What if Spotify came out with a version that doesnโt have ads? And instead you pay a small amount of money every month to get all of the features of the app? Artists get paid, Spotify developers who made the app get paid, and you get more music than you could listen to in hundreds of years!
[deleted] ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 16:18:37 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
That would be a great deal! Let me know when they start charging a small amount of money for it.
EnolaLGBT ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:28:06 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Itโs their service. They have a right to charge whatever they want for it. How much does food cost where you live? Spotify costs 33 cents per day, so itโs not like theyโre being unreasonable.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:38:44 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I never said they couldn't charge what they want. I'm just saying it's not reasonable.
blitzed840 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 17:45:11 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Itโs all personal perception, for me personally, 10$/month is a bargain. I use it everyday, and have access to essentially anything I could want to listen too, ad free. The ability to download for offline listening is worth the price of admission alone.
sereko ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:12:59 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I think they have family plans that make it much cheaper. Google Play All Access does and it reduces the cost to about $3/person/month.
Edit: Google doesn't care if you're just using it with a friend either. I imagine Spotify is the same but can't be bothered to check.
elevul ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:05:55 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Agreed, before I got the student discount I was renewing and using Spotify only when I could get the 3 months for 10โฌ promotion. 10โฌ/mo is definitely too much for a service that in the end is not necessary, just useful.
DefectiveDetective ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:35:58 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
What are you smoking? Spotify still loses money as we speak. What do you think premium should cost, 50 cents a month?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:08:49 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Just because they don't make money doesn't mean the price should be outrageous.
muckwarrior ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:41:54 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
When I was a teenager one CD cost approximately $20. How is half that for access to virtually all the music in the world for a month not reasonable?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:07:57 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
If it was a flat $10 sure, but $10 per month? No way
NervousPervis ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:44:34 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
$10/month. Who could possibly afoned that.
Disgracefu1 ยท 378 points ยท Posted at 14:10:19 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The subscription costs almost nothing. While it's annoying, just pay for it or switch to Google Play Music. They aren't forcing you to use Spotify.
ArchPower ยท 607 points ยท Posted at 15:19:54 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
$120 a year is almost nothing? I mean, I pay for two subscriptions for my GF and myself, but still, If they found a different way to promote their product than unnecessarily loud and obstructive advertisement, we wouldn't be having this discussion.
Edit - Man, lots of hate on my opinion of the price. Relax, I pay more than my fair share of subscription prices, but chances are Spotify makes more money off of Advertisement than our subscription fees.
vluhdz ยท 639 points ยท Posted at 15:23:50 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You're paying too much mate, get a family plan.
Love_me_some_Brie ยท 102 points ยท Posted at 15:28:28 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Literally the best thing. ยฃ30 a year for one person.
Love_me_some_Brie ยท 251 points ยท Posted at 15:50:07 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
out of 6.
kmrst ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 17:38:45 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Luckily for you they offer a family plan!
_Gondamar_ ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:59:18 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Did you notice that itโs the same guy replying to himself? Heโs not making an argument, heโs adding on to his comment.
kmrst ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 18:23:20 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Oh, no. Why he wouldn't use the edit function ยฏ\_(ใ)_/ยฏ
Love_me_some_Brie ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:40:22 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I thought I was replying to the guy below asking "Family plan is 15/month isn't it?"
Love_me_some_Brie ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:58:50 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah I'm on it?? Did you not read my comments?
kmrst ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:24:09 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You replied to yourself instead of editing so it looked like somebody else was responding to you.
fosterbuster ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:24:28 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I think it was a joke that went over your head
C0mpass ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:30:38 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
/r/theydidthemath
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:54:16 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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undernocircumstance ยท 29 points ยท Posted at 15:45:37 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Family plan is 15/month isn't it?
thrBladeRunner ยท 61 points ยท Posted at 15:46:54 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah $180 year/6 people is $30 each a year or $2.50 a month
undernocircumstance ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 15:58:38 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
but it's just me that uses spotify :<
B_Rich ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:11:39 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Sounds like you need more friends. I'll be your friend.
WhippedKream ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:20:35 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Name checks out
thrBladeRunner ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:06:44 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
If you're a student you can snag it for $5 a month! They're supposed to be all under the same roof, so I violate their TOS there. But you can find random people online to join together and take advantage of the deal until they start enforcing that.
NewColor ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:46:30 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
And you get Hulu with it, so like fuck yeah
XXX_is_my_grandaddy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:32:28 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Wow. I thought I had it good at 5 a month with Hulu tacked on for free as the student rate.
Still not sure what's better since I can't do without Hulu now
thrBladeRunner ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:05:31 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Hulu + Spotify for $5 is a great deal. I paid $10 for awhile for Spotify before I took advantage of the student deal and I was more than happy with it. I still, technically, pay $5 for Spotify as I gave one of my Spotify Family spots to a friend of mine. So I guess I'm doing $5 a month without Hulu haha. But I think last year I averaged 50ish days of listening (I have it running in the background a lot, obviously), so that's a great value for me at even a higher price.
XXX_is_my_grandaddy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:07:51 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Oh dude you can get Hulu right this second if you are already paying for Spotify.
Just Google Hulu + Spotify and you can activate it no charge
No idea how they afford it but I got hooked on Hulu
sk9592 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:08:45 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You literally just answered your own question.
At a certain point, the student discount runs out, you're still hooked, and you start paying full price.
XXX_is_my_grandaddy ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:10:25 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
U rite
thrBladeRunner ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:10:38 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Spotify Family, at $15 for six separate Spotify accounts, is already a discount so they don't offer Hulu with Spotify Family, unfortunately. But thank you for making sure!
ruben3232 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:33:48 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
And if you did it since last year with a CapOne Quicksliver then itโs half off! (Expires next month)
KiFirE ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:37:29 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
But that's more expensive if your just one person and don't have others that want to go in on it.
thrBladeRunner ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:43:55 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Of course. I assume no one would use a family plan by themselves. This part of the thread was about sharing a family plan, which (at least in my case) violates the terms of use, but is an option until that's enforced. Your options are that, use the student discount, or pay the full price.
major_tennis ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:31:06 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
who pays you for doing their viral marketting and customer retention for them? its not that easy to get 5 people and some direct debits set up also officially youre supposed to live under the same roof
thrBladeRunner ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:00:20 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, we aren't under the same roof, so I shouldn't be doing it. I'm a hypocrite there. We're just friends and I send a Venmo charge out once a month. Just a satisfied user; I've been premium of some sort for the last five or six years. Currently experimenting with Apple Music because I'm a big fan of Siri support, but I like the playlists within Spotify better so far.
major_tennis ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:13:12 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
i think spotify would unofficially not mind at all. it's only on paper they care. im sure theyre happy people are using the service and wouldnt crack down on this.
Bizzy666 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:56:14 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Get 5 friends/acquaintances, you handle the money/someone else does, just give eachother 30$ at the start of the year.
How is that hard lol.
major_tennis ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:03:38 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
ah see so i was thinking a direct debit. to one bank account that. if everyone was willing to pay upfront that would be simpler. still not without effort. also people don't typically want to pay for things 12 months in advance. heck man splitting a cab with my friends can be a nightmare sometimes.
Bizzy666 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:42:17 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah but would you rather pay $10 a month for 12 months or $30 at the start of the year?
major_tennis ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:18:51 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Thats good logic
sk9592 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:06:53 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I'm sorry, but this just a dumb comment
Here's the secret: Just because it's called a "family plan" doesn't mean it must be your family. I have my brother and two friends on mine. So we are splitting the cost 4 ways.
It's ridiculously easy to find a few people who want a $3-4 Spotify Account.
Chill, it's not like you have to set up some serious accounting/billing system for these people. Each person just owes me $4/month. They just pay me once every 6ish months when I send them a Venmo pay request. Literally takes 30 seconds. If you're at the point where you're hunting someone down over an unpaid $4 bill, it's probably better not to have that person in your life.
If someone ever actually refused to pay me for months on end, then sure, I can just remove them from the family plan.
And since when has "same roof" ever been enforced in any way, shape, or form? Literally never been enforced in the 20 year history of cell phone "family plans".
major_tennis ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:14:25 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
it's not a dumb comment, man you're spending too much effort disproving me. I don't wish to debate the ins and outs of how you can do this. I agree spotify aren't enforcing this. It can be done. I've never said it was impossible. Just that it wasn't easy. Not every one has lots of friends who want to strike financial arrangements to save 50 quid on streaming services. hell i dont even know more than 5 people who are paying users. I've never heard of venmo. I'm glad this has worked for you. don't appreciate being called dumb. what might for you may not be right some etc...
to back up my very original comment in this chain. Even if i posted on facebook who wants to do family spotify membership with me and save money. I'm advertising for them. I don't wish to do that. I didn't sign up for uber for like 2 years because all the users were voluntarily viral marketing for a corporation. Thats not my thing i ain't about that life.
you've misquote me too , I said "officially you're supposed ..." so i am chill . i know very well what youre telling me. It's just in know way worth selling your soul or creating debt with friends and family.
now ive put too much effort in to a response face meets palm
sk9592 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:35:48 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Some of this might be cultural differences differences. For example, plenty of people use Venmo in the US. There is probably a UK equivalent to that. I also never heard of Uber viral marketing. Is that really a thing?I just treat it like a freakin cab service, just use it or don't.
"Striking financial arrangements" sounds like big words for giving your friend $4. Do you "strike financial arrangements" every time you buy your friend a beer? I suppose technically you do, but seriously, what's with the terminology.
I'm not telling people to go advertise on Facebook. I agree, I wouldn't do that either.
I'm just saying that you're really overstating how much effort and organization it takes. It's not even something I could say I organized. It was literally just me asking my brother "Hey, want to split a Spotify account?" and him saying yes. That's it. Over time, a couple other people joined in. It never took any actual effort or organization.
Finally, I did not misquote you. Everything I pulled from your comment was a direct copy/paste.
major_tennis ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:18:18 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You quoted from the middle of the sentence though. Context is important. I think youre overstating how simple it is. Im happy for you man. And i agree with the methodology. I would buy someone a beer and expext nothing in return. However if i paid the increased cost for spotify family and did not recoup it from the friends id be butt hurt. I was on a keyboard earlier im on my phone now. I use bigger words on keyboard i suppose. You know its just a good rule of thumb not to lend money to friends and family i have some unreliable friends. And yes this is countered well that you know its only a small financial lost and better off without the friend anyway. But with all that said id rather just buy the single user one and 0 hassle. Or as i have currently chosen to do not pay for spotify as i wasnt using it that much. Im learning to dj at the moment and will have to own the tracks to play them to a crowd software licensing too. The musical world is complex. Not sure what time is wher you are but you have a good weekend
Pew-Pew-Pew- ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 18:25:04 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yes and having just two people on it already cuts the cost below the single user subscription.
zeefomiv ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:01:09 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Itโs 14.99 a month for 5 people.
So if you split it by 5 itโs 3 bucks a month 3 * 12 - 36 dollars a year.
If you split it in 2 itโs 7.50/ mo
7.5 * 12 - 90 a year for one person.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:36:43 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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zeefomiv ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:14:05 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Oh my bad I saw the section where it says five people but didnโt fully read it. It says you and five people
Sorry! Lol
THE_MAGIC_OF_REALITY ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 15:45:43 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
A family plan is $180...
sc4s2cg ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:50:45 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Credit /u/thrBladeRunner
THE_MAGIC_OF_REALITY ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 15:56:07 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
That doesnโt help if only I want Spotify
Pegthaniel ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 16:22:21 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The comment suggesting the family plan was made as a reply to someone who's paying for 2 separate subscriptions.
JohnnyFiveRulz ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 17:37:09 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The guy said he's paying for two subscriptions. Obviously it would be cheaper to just pay for a family plan. How do you not understand that?
leroach ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:41:20 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
is everyone else paying $10/month?
Mattoosie ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 18:24:34 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
$120/year is absolute peanuts for the service you're getting. Assuming an album is $10 to buy (is this even accurate? I haven't bought an album in 5+ years) then you could get 10 albums a year, OR every album at any time for the same money.
BjergIsDad ยท 95 points ยท Posted at 16:39:29 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yes $120/year is almost nothing
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Dessum ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 21:50:16 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I think the two million are probably high school/college-aged students who don't have any kind of regular income to spare. I can understand the mindset that $120 is a lot of money per year; even with the student discount, $5/month might put some people in a bind if it's taken right before pay day.
That being said, get a damn job. Spotify has everything, $10 a month for unlimited access to it is ridiculous.
breakingbroken ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:54:35 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I had a Spotify premium membership all through college and I was broke as shit. I love music, and if youโre someone who does also I donโt see how you couldnโt come up with $5 a month for it considering how valuable it is
Dessum ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:21:35 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It's like you said, it's all about priorities. I'm not saying Spotify should be a priority, but if someone wants it enough to steal it they need to re-evaluate their own.
juanzy ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 19:10:42 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Probably because mid-day Reddit is a lot of students. Look at any job advice thread posted mid day versus in the afternoon, it's pretty different.
OGMagicConch ยท 23 points ยท Posted at 19:14:22 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I don't hear students complain lol, we get a $5 discount so it's actually only $60/year for us. Most people I know who pay for Spotify either have jobs or if they don't their parents are paying for a family plan for them.
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OGMagicConch ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 22:01:59 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah tell me about it, but $5/month is like 20 minutes of work anyways where I'm from so doesn't bug me too much
BjergIsDad ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:06:34 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It is
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TotallyExaggerating ยท -11 points ยท Posted at 21:35:21 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I'm a 96th percentile earner and I'd never pay $10 for this service. there are simply too many free options and there is nothing immoral about using ad block.
808sAndPoundcake ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 21:37:28 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You can say there is nothing immoral about Adblock but if youโre 96th percentile and youโre too cheap to give $10 a month for a service instead of stealing it with Adblock, thatโs a little immoral
ParadiceSC2 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:46:22 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
He probably didnt get that rich wasting money
wu2ad ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:45:01 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It's not immoral, it's just cheap and miserly.
j1202 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:06:10 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
that's sucker talk
breakingbroken ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:40:18 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Congrats? If youโre not using the service why are you replying to me? I donโt particularly care if you donโt find it worth the money?
And I never claimed there was something โimmoral about using ad blockโ ?
SFWaleckz ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 20:08:34 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
$1200 every 10 years is nothing!? (this is sarcasm btw)
Doctursea ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:14:16 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I listen to at least an hour a day. 10$ for 30 hours of entertainment is well worth it.
Punishtube ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 18:29:47 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
To you not to everybody. I pay for google music over Spotify but 120 isn't nothing to many people.
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aarongrc14 ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 18:39:33 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
He's saying 120 isn't nothing for a lot of people and saying he pays for Google Play enstead of spotify. how is he a bozo or entitled?
Punishtube ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 18:43:35 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I don't think you can read bozo. I don't use Spotify at all, not the free/payed/pirated version. I am saying what is small amounts to you is not always small amounts to others.
ginelectonica ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:54:12 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
If youโre at the poverty line in the US, itโs basically 1% of your income. So yeah, itโs not a lot.
It boils down to how much you use it. Music is a huge part of my everyday life, so that 1% is absolutely worth it. But I can see how someone who doesnโt listen to a lot of music would think itโs too expensive.
Techiedad91 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:36:49 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
If youโre below the poverty line youโve got more important things to spend that $10 on every month buddy.
ginelectonica ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:53:34 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I didnโt say otherwise. If youโre below the poverty line, you should be budgeting. Itโs not unrealistic to budget an extra $10 a month.
Nuggetface ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 16:58:06 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
For unlimited listening to virtually all the music in the western world with built in personal recommendations for discovering new music? Yes, 120 bucks is cheap as hell.
[deleted] ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 16:55:04 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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usetheforce_gaming ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:44:24 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
And they're still losing money. People complaining about the prices are just cheap.
3BetLight ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 17:05:26 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah $120 / year is actually almost nothing.
Sevenlore ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 18:51:19 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I just work part-time right now and that's a bit over half a paycheck
People are so cheap lmao
TooSmalley ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 16:03:16 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
On a price per hour of entertainment price it is virtually nothing.
I listen to easily 80+ hours a month, that's like $.13 an hour.
I will gladly pay not to get ads, thatโs why I prefer google music it comes bundled with YouTube red.
IrockART98 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:26:15 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
That's why I use GPM too, but there's no YouTube red in my country yet.
Rawtashk ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 16:36:02 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
32c a day is almost nothing. Just drink one less bottle of soda every 4th day and you're at a net positive.
Dolewhip ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 16:37:39 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
lmao yeah that is almost nothing
Npf6 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:22:34 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Family plan son!! I got my girlfriend and brother on it for $15/mo.
Hell, I still have 3 more slot left just in case I get 3 more girlfriends.
heyanuntakenusername ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 17:51:01 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Student id will get you half off, I pay $5 a month
Vondi ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 20:16:01 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
For a service I use at minimum an hour a day, usually more, yeah.
lakerslakerslakers90 ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 17:55:50 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
if its to much dont subscribe. broke ass
DeedTheInky ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 16:10:27 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I mean back in the days of CD's, $120 would get you... 11-12 albums maybe? So paying the same for access to just about all music that's ever existed isn't such a bad deal IMO.
stanley_twobrick ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 16:56:35 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
$20 was pretty standard for a new release where I came from, so more like 6 albums or even less with tax.
nomnombacon ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:03:08 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You brought back memories... saving up money so I could buy a new CD, so nostalgic.
stanley_twobrick ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:11:17 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Member Columbia House? I member Columbia House.
nomnombacon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:51:29 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
โBut then one fateful night, Zelda said to me
She said, "Sweetie pumpkin? Do you wanna join the Columbia Record Club?"
I said, "Whoa, hold on now, baby, I'm just not ready for that kind of a commitment!"
Eqomatic ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:02:52 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
A year is a long time.
omnidub ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:56:05 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
.... yeah? $120/year is almost nothing even when researching the lines of poverty. You get an infinite amount of music. I think you'll love spending $10/month to have access to every album, EP, and song you want. If you can't afford that then having access to Spotify should be the least of your concerns.
euronforpresident ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:15:21 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Given you listen to far more than 120 songs per year and songs used to cost $1 each on streaming services like iTunes, yea itโs nothing, especially given how much production costs the artists
Nerethos ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 17:09:57 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I don't normally take the moral high road on this argument because I'm just as guilty as anyone when it comes to pirating some content. However, I fucking hate how intrusive and relentless advertisements are. There are very few platforms left where you can sit down, experience the content you want to experience, and not have to sit through 20 ads to do so. Even paid services like Hulu still show you ads... I just wish there was a simple solution that satisfied advertisers and people who consume the medium.
Mattoosie ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 18:27:13 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You could pay for the service and not get ads? What is a happy medium here? Either you see ads or you don't.
Nerethos ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:30:28 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Except what I said earlier:
Its not really an option of either paying and not getting ads. Its you either pay to get ads, or you don't pay to get even more ads. I'm fine with paying if I don't get ads, but the problem is that is rarely the case anymore.
Mattoosie ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:39:11 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Sorry my comment wasn't clear, I was trying to talk in a general sense. What I was trying to say is that if I pay for a service, I don't want to see ads and that a happy medium can't really exist because either advertisers show their ads, or consumers don't see any. There's no in between really.
pugRescuer ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:53:08 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I think you should give this feedback to spotify, not reddit.
matthewimartinez ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:59:48 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I used to buy at least one CD a month. CDโs are $10+. Spotify is worth the money.
karltee ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:43:14 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Holy crap... I pay $120 a year?!
PickleBugBoo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:27:47 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
As a student I pay $5/mo and that includes Hulu
SgtSchembechler ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:37:31 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Iโm good friends with a former Spotify employee. They make way more money on subscriptions.
Every ad makes them fractions of a cent. The free product is actually just a trial to get you to pay for a subscription. If you donโt convert in a year they actually start playing more ads to recoup some of the cost.
Animalidad ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:02:08 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
4usd a month for a family bundle in my country. Glorious
Poor_Old_Snarf ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:28:14 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
$120 a year is almost nothing when you're paying for access to virtually all the music in the world without ads.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:41:05 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
For me it's ยฃ5 a month, so ยฃ60 a year, given the amount of music I listen to that's an incredible deal... I would never even bother suppressing ads at that rate
rollsterribleblunts ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:48:05 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
If you're a student do the hulu+spotify plan for $5/mo or the family plan
MacTechReviews ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:48:53 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
They actually don't, they lose money on the free tier and make their money from paying users
DefectiveDetective ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:18:50 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Spotify loses hundreds of millions of dollars every year. They are making negative money, so don't act self-righteous about paying a modest fee for the service you get.
slippingparadox ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:25:36 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Doesnt matter man. They dont owe you shit
BrainBlowX ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:13:33 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
For access to 30 million songs and a shitton of podcasts? Yes, yes it fucking is. You're spoiled. Get a family plan. That's 5$ a month.
zClarkinator ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:13:12 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
99.99% if them being worthless to me. You're acting like quantity is the exactly one thing that matters. It's not up to you to decide for the human race what counts as something or nothing, unless you think you're God or something.
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 15:28:03 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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IckyBlossoms ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 15:51:36 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
If you want a new tv sure, buy it. If you donโt, then you donโt go and steal one and get on r/android bitching about how they practically force you to steal it because $10 a month is too much. If you canโt afford it, use the free one. If you donโt like the ads, then donโt use it.
ArchPower ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 15:34:13 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Sure, it could be broken down any number of ways to justify the price. Still, the question is not about the cost. They provide a free service with an obstructive advertisement scheme. If they didn't want people to find ways to work around the advertisements, perhaps they shouldn't make them so obstructive.
smith7018 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 15:52:55 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Or perhaps you could just not use their service if you don't like the ads? You're not entitled to the music for free because you find the ads annoying.
ArchPower ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 16:06:01 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Ok, maybe approach this a different way. Perhaps the Ads in general are what the problem is. Spotify is already using our location data and treating users like many other companies do in regards to demographic farming. Limit the functionality of the free service and cut down on the toxic ads. Pandora doesn't have a problem limiting the skips and shit. What's spotify's excuse? They want ad revenue. Don't blame people for wanting something for free.
smith7018 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:19:59 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
heavy eye roll
You already have the music for free, all you have to do is put up with ads... They're not even that bad lmao. You make it sounds like the ads are malware-infested when in reality you just don't like the minor inconvenience they introduce. If you don't like them, you should either pay to remove the ads or simply go back to paying $12 for each album. This is such a ridiculous argument.
IckyBlossoms ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 15:49:43 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
If you didnโt want obtrusive ads then maybe you should just pay for the fucking service like an adult and stop coming up with justifications for stealing access to a service.
Maybe youโre not an adult and donโt have access to funds, idk. It just seems like a bunch of people here bitch that apps donโt come to Android first, or that the android version sucks, and then turn around and brag that they got around the ads in an app and wonโt pay for it. No wonder app devs donโt want to make apps for Android. Little entitled princesses on here believe they deserve everything for free. /rant
ArchPower ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:04:09 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Or you could read my earlier comment and see that I pay for two subscriptions. Asshole.
dradam168 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:30:34 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
They DO want people to work around the ads, by PAYING FIR THEIR SERVICE.
If the ads are too obstructive, and you don't want to pay, then use a different service. If enough people leave they will perhaps have a motivation to make the free service better or the paid service cheaper. If you just pirate, all they will have a motivation to do is to stop you from stealing their shit.
thrBladeRunner ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:09:05 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
If using the free version of Spotify were a more pleasant experience, wouldn't more people opt for that version? There has to be some incentives to get people to pay. When I had free Spotify, I disliked the loud ads (of course). But I'm genuinely curious what other incentives (or annoyances) they could use to build a paying customer base.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:34:28 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
32 cents a day to listen to unlimited music anywhere is too much money for you?
doo138 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:39:26 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Better than paying $15 a CD for the one song you like on it or waiting for a song to come on the radio so you can record it. You young whipper snappers and your fancy $10 a month unlimited music. For real though those ads do suck. It automatically makes me want to boycott the company that is advertising.
777Sir ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:55:43 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Access to almost every song you could possibly want, both streamed and downloaded is almost nothing? Not to mention all their music discovery options. I have thousands of hours of music in my Spotify library I wouldn't be able to afford and probably wouldn't have discovered without it.
Recoil42 ยท 140 points ยท Posted at 14:17:21 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Seriously. How many of you Spotify cheaters buy a Starbucks coffee every morning?
You can't afford $10 a month (less, with a family plan!) for unlimited music at high quality, ad-free?
Jerahammey ยท 45 points ยท Posted at 14:53:08 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You wouldn't download a Frappuccino!
xorgol ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 15:18:21 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I've managed to "download" an espresso from an Italian rest stop chain, they give it out to anyone who gets their app and registers for an account. They don't check how many accounts you get, so I could theoretically get more coffees.
stanley_twobrick ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 17:01:39 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Reported. Best of luck in prison.
thecbass ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 15:09:18 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
No one would cuz it sucks.
Polymemnetic ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:25:14 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Fuck you, I would if I could!
[deleted] ยท 187 points ยท Posted at 14:22:48 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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AidenXY ยท 130 points ยท Posted at 14:39:48 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
They're saying hypothetically. If you can buy certain things like a cup of coffee, you can afford a measly $10-$14 a month for a family plan on Spotify.
Or $5/month if you're a student.
davemoedee ยท 124 points ยท Posted at 14:55:20 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Booze might be a better example. There are a lot of people stealing music spending over $100/month on booze. Buying expensive coffee might seem absurd to them.
dwmfives ยท 169 points ยท Posted at 15:11:56 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
What do they do with the other three weeks a month?
yech ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 16:11:53 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
And the other 6 days in the week.
Madonkadonk ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 17:04:03 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
And the other 23 and 1/2 hours?
blackmatter615 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:23:55 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
weed is at least one of them...
Solid_Freakin_Snake ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 15:29:46 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I mean, it's one alcohol, Michael. What could it cost, ten dollars?
davemoedee ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:31:07 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
This must be a reference I'm not familiar with
Solid_Freakin_Snake ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:45:08 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Arrested Development
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davemoedee ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:13:26 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
"Over." That is a single night for a lot of people, but I wanted to be inclusive.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:16:58 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I spend about 30-40 a night. 100 isn't that crazy tbh.
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AidenXY ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:53:58 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I wouldn't brag about that. $600 a month on alcohol is way too much
I_cant_stop ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:53:39 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
That hits home. I think coffee prices are outrageous but hit me with a beer or two or three whenever I go out to eat. I understand it doesnโt make sense
davemoedee ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:55:53 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Ultimately, beverage markups are insanely high, booze or coffee. Soda even.
The difference is people get headaches from drinking booze and headaches from missing their coffee.
TohsakaXArcher ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:47:33 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I pirate music fairly often. My reasoning for it is not due to price point but due to convenience. I like having my music downloaded and owned. I will never pirate an album that has a high quality (flac/wav) digital download available for purchase. If an artist makes it a pain in the ass to legally buy they music im just gonna pirate it though. Sure it's a flawed reasoning but it helps me justify it and I end up spending far more money than $10 a month and none of it goes to a garbage company like Spotify
xorgol ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:19:08 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Either alcohol is way more expensive where you're from, or that's alcoholism.
davemoedee ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:21:40 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Nah. It's just single people with high paying jobs going out in a major city.
Edit: and while binge drinking is horrible, it isn't alcoholism.
xorgol ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:31:31 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Ah, so the alcohol is way more expensive where you're from :D
Edit: for reference, that kind of money would buy around 2 liters of good beer per day, or two bottles of decent wine, around here. That's way too much.
davemoedee ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:33:38 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Must be, because $100/month isn't even a lot for people who go out for drinks once a week and have a few drinks at home in-between. That being said, I'm not a heavy drinker myself.
bebopshebo ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:31:04 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I even get the limited commercials Hulu subscription with my Spotify $5 student subscription. Pretty nice deal if you ask me.
jotheold ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:06:42 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
i pay like.. 3?5?$ a month, all the boys just split a family plan LOL
wibblett ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 14:42:56 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I know I was poking fun
throwawaysarebetter ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 16:43:11 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
And if you can't afford that?
domeforaklondikebar ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 16:55:15 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Then you donโt get the service. You donโt need it. You want it.
Recoil42 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:07:37 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Then you still shouldn't steal it. It's a complicated thing, I know.
Betty_White ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 14:54:29 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Or 0 dollars a month because it's insanely easy to do yourself then you can buy more coffee.
[deleted] ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 17:00:16 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The point is, how much do people burn on frivolous shit and they are going to squabble over 10 a month.
sfasu77 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:54:08 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You wouldn't download a Starbucks, would you?
rollsterribleblunts ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:48:28 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
same, i don't drink coffee
ScreamingGordita ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:38:14 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Good for you. He clearly wasn't talking about Starbucks specifically.
wibblett ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:43:02 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Thank you
omnidub ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:56:52 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I mean, or a chipotle burrito or some shit. It's just an example.
wibblett ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:00:47 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I don't buy chipotle either though
omnidub ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:56:23 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Alright what's the one thing you spend $10 on at least once a month that's completely unnecessary?
wibblett ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 20:57:59 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Right now? Nothing, I'm on a strict budget.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:08:11 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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wibblett ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:11:47 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Dah comrade
Recoil42 ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 14:38:22 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Cool story bro, that's great for you.
wibblett ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 14:38:50 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I have more if you'd like to hear them.
willi_werkel ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:44:42 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yes! :D
wibblett ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:46:06 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Not only do I not buy starbucks but I don't buy lunch at work and actually started meal prepping. Not only am I saving a ton of money but I'm also eating healthier. Win-win.
willi_werkel ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:59:48 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I also want to meal prep but didn't start yet. Food at uni isn't exactly low carb high protein every day.
wibblett ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:44:03 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah you should start. It's really tedious and annoying at first but over time it becomes second nature and the amount of money I'm saving is crazy. I would spend at least $10 at work on food alone. That was $50 a week or $200 a month :o
hulivar ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 17:19:43 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
ya but you can't use this argument for everything....it's always 10 more dollars a month, shit adds up.
Recoil42 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 18:14:01 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Then don't buy everything.
Wow, shocking.
What a concept.
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 19:29:46 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I think that's exactly the same conclusion the "Spotify cheaters" came to, lmao.
hulivar ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:05:35 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
only live once though....you can live a shit life with your morals, and I will nickle and dime billion dollar companies while they bitch and moan every now and then.
You do you though
mastersword130 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:31:04 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I make my own coffee. Then again I don't use Spotify either. was thinking of getting a family plan for google music bet meh.
Zakkimatsu ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:05:59 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
if you justify one recurring expense, then you'll become broke very quick
conairh ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 18:19:52 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Seriously, how much does spotify spend on fancy coffee in their office every day?
And spotify can't afford more than $0.0001 per play to pay the artists?
You can always point fingers and say someone could be paying more. In naked, unabashed capitalism if you get your shit free and don't get caught, you win. Spotify would pay nothing for music in a heartbeat if they thought they could get away with it. Why can't their customers game the system like they have?
chaos7x ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:31:18 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Being able to afford something is not the same thing as being willing to pay for it. I'm certainly not defending using their service for free but this is a pretty huge difference if you want to understand people's motivation.
thatmffm ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:34:56 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Motherfucker, i owe $1500 in taxes this year, just had to spend $1200 on car repairs, rent is $1000 a month... i can't afford NOT to steal content.
Recoil42 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:17:10 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You should steal your rent money instead, you'd save a lot more.
DirtySperrys ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:11:08 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Fuck it. Itโs $5 with a student subscription AND free hulu. Yโall are crazy not to be in on this shit and get angry about paying a small fee.
zClarkinator ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:15:56 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I don't think you know what "free" means
DirtySperrys ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:53:24 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It was added on in the past year with no change in pricing to the student subscription. How else would you like me to phrase it? $2.50 Spotify premium and $2.50 Hulu subscription when combined under a .edu email.
WOW that really rolls off the tongue when you put it that way!! /s
gambolling_gold ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:34:21 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
A products feature set has no relation to my ability to buy that product.
SlitScan ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:03:50 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I prefer to pay musicians not streaming theives like Spotify.
Disgracefu1 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 14:22:56 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Seriously. It costs less than two lattes at a Starbucks, a beer and a half or so at a bar, or a fast food meal. "The ads are annoying so fuck them I'm not paying to get rid of them" is such a weird and forced justification.
mada447 ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 14:31:36 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Isn't that the justification for installing adblock on browsers like everyone does?
Recoil42 ยท 28 points ยท Posted at 14:38:02 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
If I could pay $10 a month to get rid of all ads on the internet, you're goddamn right I would.
lordderplythethird ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:06:00 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It's more of a one time cost of $40 for a PiHole, but it does exactly that.
lolgalfkin ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 14:59:21 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You can already do that, and it's free.
rigopersona ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:13:34 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
and it suppports nobody. Everything you love on the Internet either needs ads to exist or a subscription system.
lolgalfkin ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:30:50 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It supports consumers. If I'm not particularly interested in paying for a service that does most of what I want, but has ads, why not make it better for me by blocking the ads entirely?
In the case of spotify, I don't like the UX and most of my music library is on physical media, so I don't really have a use for the app. If I wanted to use the free version to check a friend's playlist to see what songs he was playing on a car ride, I don't want to be bombarded with male enhancement and spotify premium ads. So instead i'll block the ads, get the song names, and add them to my library on Google Music so I can listen to them ad-free anyway.
MorningsAreBetter ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 14:37:54 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I installed adblock because one of the main sites I use, wowhead.com, is absolutely cancerous if you don't use adblock. The ads slow the site down so much that you practically can't use the site at all. And the site uses ads from notoriously sketchy ad networks, so there have been times that I look at my ghostery add-on and saw that it blocked 100+ scripts and harmful elements
RingsOfOrbis ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 14:48:35 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
So I hope that's the only site on the blacklist, otherwise you're no different than the others.
MorningsAreBetter ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:58:57 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Man, Reddit must have made you really cynical if you're automatically assuming that I came up with a bullshit reason to justify my use of an adblocker, and that I'm using it for all sites and not just the site that's literally unuseable without an adblocker.
But yeah, Wowhead is the only one I block.
RingsOfOrbis ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:03:13 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Not really, I apologize if I came off like that. I use adblockers too for sites like CNET and pcworld, which shove autoplay down my throat.
But I've seen that being used too many times on reddit, so I guess I was a little cynical. Sorry for that.
doyouevenliff ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:44:45 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
why don't you just disable the autoplay of media in the browser if you "only install adblock for that"? Or is that too high a concept for you to grasp, along with being hypocritical?
RingsOfOrbis ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:56:37 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I use Edge and it isnโt available on that afaik. Donโt be a dick
doyouevenliff ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:58:58 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You just shamed someone for using an adblocker for a valid reason (to them), then said that you also use an adblocker and justified it (for you). Is that not also being a dick?
RingsOfOrbis ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:18:41 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I apologised
xxxsur ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:48:11 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
If dont mind paying to skip ads. I dont mind nicely placed ads. But i dont want ads occupying the whole screen or before every video.
Queen_Jezza ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:38:48 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
ads on websites spread viruses, so blocking them is completely justified
Myrddin97 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:28:00 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It's the malicious ads I'm worried about. On a clean install of 10, fully updated and no extensions or 3rd party software installed I should not have to worry about a takeover ad telling me the computer is infected when browsing to Yahoo or MSN. Until then, computers that I work on get uBlock Origin. I'll whitelist sites on my personal machines and show customers how to do it themselves.
davemoedee ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:03:38 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
While I don't use adblock, some ads do cause problems for broswers. I can see people doing limited blocking of noisy ads or ads that take over the entire browser window.
One main difference is that they adblockers are not targeting a particular site that they want to benefit from while starving them of revenue. People who already know about ads on spotify and don't like them should just not use the service. Knowingly using the service and blocking their ads is not ok. Browsing the Internet is different. If I google something, I have no idea if a link returned will lead to a site that opens up various noisy ad windows. If I knew, I would avoid the site. Since people can't know before visiting, they can use adblockers to not be assaulted that way.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 15:05:02 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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doyouevenliff ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:48:24 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Naw man, everyone on this planet is clearly living on mountains of gold but refuse to pay a measly $120 pe year just to listen to music without ads. Didn't you know the whole world has the same standard of living everywhere, and everybody can afford the same things?
asspow ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 15:43:46 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I can understand the justification behind, say, stealing a loaf of bread. Like, itโs still wrong, but the bigger wrong is that somebody feels the need to steal the bread. Nobody should be in that situation.
Spotify premium, however, if you canโt afford it you canโt have it. Itโs a luxury. I do a lot of flight simming, some of the add-ons are literally several hundred dollars and Iโve probably purchased a dozen, but itโs after saving up and foregoing a night out in order to do so. I am not entitled to it because I donโt feel like rearranging my spending habits to afford it.
Of_Mango ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:22:16 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
But in this case I can have it even if I can't afford it, and I do not think this is equivalent to stealing.
What I dislike most about Spotify is how little my favourite artists earn, and such this is a business model I do not want to support. It's like piracy, nobody actually loses anything in the digital world, but through Spotify I have found artists that I genuinely want to see live and purchase albums and merch from. That's where I'd rather see my $120/year go.
alkior70 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:23:03 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
you got things about coffee?
BeastOfWeaverHigh ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:39:54 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You're implying that people who buy Starbucks are good people. That's where ya went wrong.
Supertrinko ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:56:50 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I agree. How many of you are buying Starbucks? Because that shit is gross.
juanzy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:12:09 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Hell, I make my own coffee every morning and that's probably around 30 per month.
SamuraiJakkass86 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:29:38 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I don't know about you, but I steal my starbucks every morning. I just bought the green apron and hat off of ebay and go pull my own shots.
j1202 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:05:13 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
lol. sucker
Ashmodai20 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:44:38 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I can't afford $10/month because I buy the Starbucks coffee. duh.
BigMP ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:51:40 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
thank you. the fact that people think $10/month is too expensive for an unfathomably large collection of music, that they can listen to whenever they want, wherever they want, with hardware that fits in your pocket, drive me nuts. How much more did we all spend on music when we actually bought physical albums?
valeceb ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:08:38 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
how is $15 a month less than 10 a month?
15 x 12 = 180
10 x 12 = 120
Queen_Jezza ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 14:37:42 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
it's not unlimited music, most stuff i listen to isn't on there
ess_tee_you ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 14:53:31 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It's also not unlimited because the passage of time limits the total amount I can listen to before I die. That's why I don't pay for it. /s
whythreekay ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 14:56:01 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Then heโs not talking about you, heโs referring to users of the service who cheat the ads
Queen_Jezza ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:05:58 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
im well aware of that. i was refuting the absurd "unlimited music" claim.
ryanloh ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:06:38 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
unlimited (of what they have) music.
You are allowed to listen freely, you can even download the music.
I haven't tried yet, but I also assume, once you download the music, if you move it out of the Spotify folders, you would have it even after you've discontinued your membership. Not sure if this is explicitly prohibited/a weird file format or something though.
davemoedee ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:06:16 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Well, music can never be truly unlimited because of the 2nd law of thermodynamics.
yanzie ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:47:02 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Unlimited in the sense you can listen to 4000+ songs if you want, no limit like '300 songs a month'.
Queen_Jezza ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:07:04 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
i mean, sure i guess you could interpret it that way. by that logic though, me buying a single song is "unlimited music" because i can listen to the song however many times i want :P
i think most people would find that misleading
yanzie ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:22:18 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
That's literally how I have always seen it and many others too. Unlimited: "not limited or restricted in terms of number, quantity, or extent."
Aka, no limit to the number of songs you can listen to. Like unlimited data, no limit on the amount you can download etc. Not the content. The single song could be listened to an unlimited number of times, just like spotify :^)
Edit: Spotify is a digital music service that gives you access to millions of songs.
Millions, not all and they also say 'unlimited skips' and ad free music.
https://i.imgur.com/ScuzKgK.png
tomegranate ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:20:36 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It's also not unlimited music because it doesn't have all of the music ever recorded by human beings.
Your obtuse interpretation of 'unlimited' is obviously not what is intended by Spotify's use of the word.
RCFProd ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:09:27 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
How is this a good example? People buying a lot of unnecessry things should be okay with paying for Spotify on top of all the stupid stuff they're already paying for?
They'd be getting Starbucks coffee for free if it meant they wouldn't get into problems doing so. They're just avoiding to pay for anything they don't have to pay for. Pretty simple concept.
RemindMeToBlink ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:15:44 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I like Google Play Music especially since it comes with Youtube Red. Unfortunately the google play music app is terrible. Constant errors.
SlitScan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:57:23 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
or,
stop paying the theives who steal from artists and buy your music direct.
woojoo666 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:11:52 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
the artists choose to put their music on spotify...
Century24 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:09:57 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The subscription rate and your opinion of whether or not it constitutes a good deal has nothing to do with these obnoxious ads and why free users try to suppress them.
This is just a lay observation, but perhaps if these ads werenโt loud and obnoxious, most users wouldnโt develop the habit of muting them when they come on.
CubonesDeadMom ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:41:05 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Well the annoying thing is when they try to force you into paying the subscription by making the ads unbearable. It should be a reasonable option to use the free version of an app with ads but if they show 1 minute ads every 5 minutes that are way louder, or trick you into clicking something so it launches a link outside the app, it just isnโt worth it. I donโt use Spotify so idk how the ads work there but other apps Iโve used do things like this. I do agree itโs wrong to block ads without paying, especially for something that streams outside artists work. It just seems like there could be a better way to show ads that would allow the company to make money and be bearable to the people who canโt afford or donโt want to pay for the pro/+/etc. version of the app
IOwnYourData ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:00:01 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I've spent almost $400 on spotify. That is not "almost nothing".
lRoninlcolumbo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:42:02 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yet it still costs something. Who are you to say what costs are for people?
yolo-yoshi ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:00:40 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Nope. (I actually pay for it!)
Than their excuse will be,why do I have to pay to get no adds. That doesnโt sound like a value deal to me. Or some stupid bullshit excuse to not pay money.
servohahn ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:37:47 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Or Amazon Music unlimited. The subscription goes on sale all the time, so you don't even have to pay full price for it.
tklite ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:55:18 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I subscribe to YouTube for the increased usability, not to get rid of ads. That was just a nice perk. If your primary reason for paying for a service is to get rid of ads rather than increasing access to content or features, it was a bad service to begin with.
lexbuck ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:56:19 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Is Google play music free?
shitsfuckedupalot ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:39:38 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Are you arguing that if you're not paying for spotify then you're stealing it? Then why would they offer the free service?
gonickryan ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:12:45 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
So you didnโt read the article and donโt understand the thread at all yet decided to comment. Nice.
Yawgie ยท -7 points ยท Posted at 15:19:33 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The fact they give discounts to undeserving students equates to me not paying a dime for their service. Fuck them and their practices
Hillrop ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:08:22 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Undeserving students? What u talking bout?
Yawgie ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 01:16:49 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
College kids shouldn't get a discount. Simple as that.
Zhaso ยท 41 points ยท Posted at 14:09:43 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
How is any variation of ad volume deceptive lol
EireOfTheNorth ยท 218 points ยท Posted at 14:14:13 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
whenever the volume of the music goes from this
TO THIS
It ruins user experience and incentivises workarounds. It's meant to incentivise getting Spotify Premium, but people won't pay out of spite if they feel they're intentionally being annoyed into it.
edit; spelling
envido32 ยท 137 points ยท Posted at 14:43:18 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Me: I don't use Spotify enough to justify a monthly payment, I don't mind the ads even if they are repetitive, I even like the idea of supporting the artists... but if I'm chilling with my headphones and suddenly you blast the volume you will not convince me to pay, I will hate you and look for some other way of listening to music.
EireOfTheNorth ยท 66 points ยท Posted at 14:46:25 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I don't think ads for Spotify Premium support the artists. They make up about 70% of the ads I get here.
You get the volume bashing, and you also get a solid 30 odd seconds of the jingle left playing after the voiceover has finished talking. Utter /r/assholedesign
Arntor1184 ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 17:48:49 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah I keep seeing people go on about "supporting the artist", but my understanding was that Spotify paid the Artists like absolute shit.
EireOfTheNorth ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 18:26:40 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Indeed they do. Spotify is bad for artists too.
Polymemnetic ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:26:19 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
What do they get, like between $0.006 per streamed strong?
(6/10ths of a cent per song)
EireOfTheNorth ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:32:22 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Spotify admits the average "per stream" payout to rights holders lands somewhere between $0.006 and $0.0084.
$15mn is quite paltry for 1.8 billion streams.
Sixcoup ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:17:09 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
That's not Spotify fault tho. Spotify never registered any profits yet, they give all their moneys to the majors, who don't give back to their artists.
TheBoozehammer ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:19:55 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, but they get paid even less if you block the ads. If you really want to support artists as best you can, you would buy all your music directly by buying albums and not using Spotify at all.
Supertrinko ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:03:01 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I guess that depends on how much Spotify are keeping for themselves.
It makes sense that this model of music streaming is less profitable.
I'm sure many artists would love to turn it around so Spotify get almost none of the profit and they get most of it.
Arge1497 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 18:06:41 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Or my personal favorite when it offers you 30 minutes of ad free music if you voluntarily watch an ad. If you dont click the button to watch the ad, they play one anyway, and you dont get the 30 minutes. Really great stuff.
PointyOintment ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:40:42 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I might be alone in this, but I usually like the jingles.
tonydatigeryo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:32:50 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I was under the impression that they had that long period of time after the ad said โclick now for 30 minutes freeโ so that a person actually has time to pause what theyโre doing (whether pause a game, unlock their phone, etc), open the app, and click
RingsOfOrbis ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:49:35 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
So pay.
envido32 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 14:53:00 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I do pay thought other services, but stoped using Spotify because of their predatory tactics
Arkanta ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:58:23 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
That's the right attitude. Justifying removing ads for this is not: people who do so would jump on any other justification
DirtySperrys ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 18:13:55 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
In what way is playing an ad a predatory practice? WTF? If they were actively destroying competitors then yes but playing an ad to support artists and deals isnโt predatory at all.
envido32 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:11:36 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Not "playing the ad", but blasting the volume in order to make them annoying. I'm cool with the ads, but they don't seem to be using them to gain money (mostly), but to make the experience unconformable until you get tired and start paying (or leave, as in my case)
Supertrinko ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:06:12 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah everyone using the word predatory needs a dictionary.
But it is a shitty move blasting ridiculously loud ads in people's ears. I do not blame people for circumventing them. I have no sympathy for services who offer bad ads.
ryanloh ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:07:42 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
actually, myself and 3 friends split a spotify family plan, $10/mo total. Even though I rarely used spotify before, it has become something I use way more frequently now.
Zhaso ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:20:04 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
So itโs annoying and bad UX, but itโs not deceptive.
Arntor1184 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:33:32 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
If they didn't intentionally try to make the free experience shitty then I'd have no problem listening to adds. Like when it makes you listen to an extra long one for "30min add free" but you decide to swap artists after a song or two and it resets that also of course the volume and repetitiveness of them.
memtiger ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 14:30:05 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
...so don't use Spotify. No one is forcing the service on you.
RCFProd ยท 25 points ยท Posted at 16:11:01 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I mean, he just explained what "ad deceptive" means to a different user.
Supertrinko ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:10:11 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
True, but no one is forcing you to listen to the ads either. Breaching ToS ain't illegal.
It is a question of morals. And I can't blame people for circumventing the ads when Spotify play them so loud.
If they were normal, reasonable ads, then I would agree there is no excuse.
Theclash160 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:59:30 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
By breaching a ToS or EULA it is possible that you can be charged with a misdemeanor under the Computer Fraud and Abuse Act for unauthorized access to a companies servers. That said as long as you don't commit any other crimes you should be able to get away with only a small fine.
Supertrinko ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:06:37 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
That's interesting. Lucky for me, not American.
anhydrouscake ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:14:48 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Still rather get it for free
Kayyam ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 18:25:45 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Jesus, the moral police is annoying.
Fetal-sploosh ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 14:30:33 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
these people are the kind of people who wouldn't buy premium regardless. The ads being "too loud" is a pathetic excuse.
Seref15 ยท 58 points ยท Posted at 14:54:31 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I don't have a Spotify subscription and I don't use an ad-free pirated version. I used to use the free ad-supported version but I had to stop because of the volume. The volume situation isn't a good excuse to use a pirated app, but it is out of control.
I used to try and listen to music to fall asleep. Just when I'm about to fall unconscious I'd be blasted with
O-O-O-O'REILLY! *autoparts*
And it really is at least twice as loud as whatever you were listening to. A few years ago the Commercial Advertisement Loudness Mitigation Act was passed to keep broadcasters from doing this, but unfortunately it doesn't apply to the internet.
I've had to switch to a non-streaming music collection because those ads are just the worst.
dsigned001 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 16:11:38 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
And this is where I'm heading. Streaming services are a racket, and storage is crazy cheap.
nomnombacon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:22:50 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
If I were to buy the thousands of songs my whole family listens to on Spotify, I would spend... well, thousand of dollars. Continuously, since new music keeps coming out. I understand a subscription is not for everyone, and people with really small music collections probably donโt need it. But I donโt think you can equate having a Spotify subscription to having digital copies in terms of cost for an average modern music consumer (aka, one that listens to more than 15 news songs a month).
Zetalus ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:45:44 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I've had to stop using Spotify without premium because of the volume. I have sensitive hearing and when the ads start I have to remove my headphones, and even then I can still hear that intolerable screeching from the ad asking me to buy premium.
I recently had to cancel my premium and can't start it back up for another 6 months. I'm using Amazon music for the time being since I won't get hearing damage from that service.
If your product causes the users pain, you bet your ass that is a legitimate excuse for pirating.
Fetal-sploosh ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:02:43 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
No, it really isn't.
It's an excuse to pay for premium or to use a different service. Not liking how they run their free service isn't a legitimate excuse to steal it when there's a paid option that solves the issue.
EireOfTheNorth ยท 31 points ยท Posted at 14:41:09 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I would consider buying premium a lot more if I didn't feel the app was literally punishing me for not buying it.
Spotify ads belong on /r/assholedesign
RingsOfOrbis ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 14:50:00 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
So pay for some other streaming service
munche ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 14:53:55 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You're really laboring over this purchase, how long does it take you to work up to buying a combo meal at the drive through?
brain_on_drugs ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 15:58:55 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
This is you "laboring" over choosing which services you watch TV with
Yet you bash someone for choosing which services they use to listen to music with?
munche ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:03:25 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I'm bashing someone who's doing backflips making excuses for not paying for something who's saying he's "considering buying premium" if the volume on the ads weren't loud. It's ridiculous. "I've really seriously considered spending $10 but then volume was high one time so FORGET IT!"
Also, those services cost the same as like, 3 combo meals each, so it's a much bigger financial decision than 1 combo meal
Gibslayer ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:15:45 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Not to mention when you pay the ad volume doesn't effect you in the slightest. So why would ad volume have anything to do with if you buy Premium or not.
"Ad volume is too high so I'm going to keep using the version with the loud ads instead of paying for the service meaning I don't have to deal with the loud ad volume"
munche ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:17:33 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Exactly. Or hey, maybe then you disagree with how Spotify runs their ship so you go pay for Google Music or Apple Music or Tidal....nah, best develop a weird excuse for continuing to use the thing with the ads you hate but talk about how you've long been "considering" subscribing for $10
RingsOfOrbis ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:57:57 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Lol you gotta visit r/piracy for their bullshit excuses. Nobody admits theyโre cheap. Iโm not saying i donโt pirate, but thatโs solely because Iโm cheap. Period.
brain_on_drugs ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:49:52 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
How is he doing backflips? He gave an opinion about the volume of the ads. Pretty straightforward. Why all the theatrics? How is it any different than you having an opinion on YouTube TV? Or sling?
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:33:18 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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EireOfTheNorth ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:27:21 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Stinkin nordie unfortunately :(
Drithyin ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:21:10 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
buy from a competitor.
nomnombacon ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:23:42 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Youโre just punishing yourself out of spite then. You could enjoy a much more pleasant experience by paying peanuts.
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 18:43:30 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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EireOfTheNorth ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:02:31 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Ah yes, because you know me all so well, anonymous reddit user from another part of the globe.
dubman42 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:54:32 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
That might be true. But Spotify should also understand this is not an effective way to monetize.
fenbekus ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:06:27 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Idk my ads were never louder than my music, but maybe it's due to Poland having laws for ads not to be louder than the content they're between.
breakingbroken ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:51:57 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Itโs not deceptive tho, itโs just inconvenient. How are they deceiving you in any way?
pittsnoggle ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:26:41 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Then don't use Spotify? There's a thousand music streaming options out there.
EireOfTheNorth ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:34:13 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Spotify has the largest library though. I mostly listen to lesser-known artists (hate myself for even typing that sentence) that aren't available on many platforms. Kojaque for example.
PM_UR_FRUIT_GARNISH ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:03:58 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
So, choosing beggars. Got it. "I want my free content exactly how I say! Then, I'll continue to not pay for it!" Why the fuck should they even listen to those people?
EireOfTheNorth ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:16:19 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Pissing people off isn't a way to gain peoples business. That's business 101 - and something Spotify doesn't seem to understand.
PM_UR_FRUIT_GARNISH ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:21:58 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Except theres no reason for them to care about complaints from people who don't pay for the service. Why should they spend time and money curating their ads if they're only being served to people who don't pay? I don't much care if people block the ads--more power to those people. But acting like they're entitled to a curated service is what gets me.
EireOfTheNorth ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:36:26 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It's the same argument regarding web design. Obnoxious ads on your website will ensure people use an adblocker on your site. Make your ads at the very least tolerable, and adblock usage won't continue to spiral upward.
Their ads are a source of revenue, of course they should be curating them a little more so the user experience for their entire service isn't worsened. You won't convince me your service is worth paying for if I'm listening to quiet, chilled music only be blasted with:
DODODODO TRY SPOTIFY PREMIUM FOR JUST ยฃ9.99/MONTH DODODODODODODODODODO
[Dododo'ing continues for a solid thirty seconds for no particular reason at seemingly double the volume]
It jilts you out of the music, its actually woken me up in the past when I fell asleep to Olafur Arnalds. At the very worst, I'll stop using the service for its obnoxious ads and ear rape. Or I could use an adblocker to get rid of the obnoxious ads and avoid rewarding that sort of behaviour from the marketing/ad people at Spotify.
I'm not against adverts on Spotify, I still listen to about a dozen a day on my mobile app, but I totally understand the people who use one of the blockers... the ads are purposefully terrible.
PM_UR_FRUIT_GARNISH ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:25:21 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I see your point relating it to web design.
I don't much care about the content of the interruptions to my music or when they do it, but can't stand simply having my music interrupted and wasting bandwidth and time on something I didn't want in the first place So it wasn't the obtrusive ads that had me switch to premium, it was just the presence of ads at all. That being said, the value is there if you grew up buying $10-$15-$20 albums in any frequency like I did, so it didn't feel like I was being forced to switch or let my ears bleed, but just a "I don't want to be marketed to when I'm trying to relax".
BoxOfBlades ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:04:10 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I'll ask again since you didn't answer: how is that deceptive advertising? How exactly are we being deceived?
snyderxc ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:59:38 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It's annoying and obnoxious, but a change of volume does not meet the definition of "deceptive."
pugRescuer ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:54:04 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I'm going to disagree that the reason people don't allow ads is because of this and say it is because people don't want to pay for spotify.
whygohomie ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:29:12 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Coercive is probably a better word than deceptive
ChaosMaestro ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:37:14 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Imagine lying in bed late at night drifting off to something chill and calm, then suddenly a voice screaming at you about car insurance thunders from the speakers, or you're throwing a party, the music is pretty loud to begin with, then suddenly everyones ears are blown off because spotify really wants you to know about this local tradesman who can build you a new kitchen.
I have a subscription for the higher quality tracks but fuck that shit.
[deleted] ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 14:27:01 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It's deceptive because it's attempting to draw your attention away from anything else without warning or anything else. It's deceptive, but pretty much accepted in society.
ThisMachineKILLS ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 15:24:36 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Thatโs not what deception is lol
[deleted] ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 15:34:54 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
That's exactly what deception is.
ThisMachineKILLS ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 15:38:37 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Deception is to cause someone to believe something thatโs not true. Thatโs literally the definition of deception. Youโre wrong, and so is your justification for stealing from Spotify.
$10 a month is a pittance for something as amazing as Spotify, you should honestly be ashamed for stealing it.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:41:15 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
If you actually read, you'll see that I don't use Spotify at all because, personally, no music is worth money. I'm just not a music guy. I want music, I listen to the radio.
It's deception because they are trying to influence secretively. So in your mind, subliminal messaging isn't deceptive? Bait and switch isn't deceptive?
ThisMachineKILLS ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:44:09 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Weโre talking about the advertisements being louder than the music. There is nothing deceptive about that practice unless you consider advertisements inherently deceptive.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:55:07 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Why is it louder than the music?
ThisMachineKILLS ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:11:09 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I think thatโs obvious, but itโs still not deception lol
thrBladeRunner ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:49:03 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
How is a loud advertisement deceptive?
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:55:25 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Why is it louder than the music?
thrBladeRunner ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:02:48 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You didn't answer my question. If it's so obvious that the reason Spotify has loud ads is to get people to buy premium, is that deception? When the ads are for Spotify premium? And they're a business? How is this "subliminal"?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:12:06 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I wasn't calling this subliminal. That was in response to the previous comment.
thrBladeRunner ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:29:15 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Alright. I guess that negates the rest of my comment, then.
bjorneylol ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:49:31 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
So you pay attention to it. Once again, not deceptive.
237FIF ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:23:56 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You sound extremely paranoid.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:25:03 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
How so?
237FIF ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:32:03 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
By your definition, all advertising is deceptive and more or less out to get you in subliminal ways. Even if that is true to some degree, thatโs not really as big of a deal as you are making it out to be. You have to have more faith in your ability to decipher and reason.
The_Black_Stallion ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:18:37 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Its actually illegal on telivision
moltari ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:06:56 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
then pay for the service. stop stealing music.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:08:59 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Once again, another victim to not reading. I don't use Spotify and I don't ever plan to.
moltari ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:25:04 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
no where in the comment i replied to did you say you're not using spotify. also, why does it matter? if you want to use a service and you dont like the ad model, pay for it. dont steal music.
masta1591 ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 14:09:11 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You're still wrong regardless of your view of ads. You're not entitled to free music
dsigned001 ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 16:14:06 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Who said anything about being entitled to it? I'm not "entitled" to exceed the speed limit either.
[deleted] ยท 26 points ยท Posted at 14:27:40 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I never said I was entitled to free music. Nothing about my statement is wrong.
dubman42 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 15:55:48 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Regardless, from a business perspective Spotify should understand this isn't an effective way to monetize.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:48:43 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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dubman42 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 18:22:31 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yes.
Kayyam ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:26:31 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I like you.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:29:02 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Even without the music, Spotify hosts the music in several qualities including lossless, sorts it, maintains apps on every platform, maintains artist pages, they lay A LOT of groundwork for getting music to people. This is like stealing from Netflix - Netflix and Spotify both brought tv, movies, and music to people in an easy to digest format at an affordable price with NO ADS if you pay for their service, stealing from either is like stealing from the donation bin.
Century24 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:13:44 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Of course illegal downloading is wrong. I donโt think thatโs in serious dispute.
Donโt act all confounded when users get in the habit of lowering the volume or outright muting ads when theyโre as loud and obnoxious as they are. I guess the good people at Spotify have a bit to learn about user experience with this specific demographic, because annoying people is not an effective sales pitch.
Kayyam ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 18:27:37 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Of course it is. Illegal downloading in not always wrong. Just like stealing is not always wrong.
Century24 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:34:45 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Sorry, I should have clarified that itโs legally wrong to illegally download music or other intellectual property. I also donโt necessarily think itโs morally wrong in every possible instance.
Divergent2000 ยท -65 points ยท Posted at 14:12:40 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Music is supposed to be free and we have a god damn right to listen to it for free. That is why we have YouTube downloaders.
Geneolgia ยท 24 points ยท Posted at 14:14:35 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I can't tell if you're being serious
Cynically-Insane ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 14:14:36 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Drop a /s? Or do you not care about the muscicians?
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 14:22:56 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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mada447 ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 14:30:33 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I don't think he is after his second comment
masta1591 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 14:33:09 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
How is someone else's work supposed to be free for you? It takes money to make music, so why should it not cost money for you to enjoy it?
Awesomolocity ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:00:23 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
As someone who goes to great lengths to support artists and content creators that I enjoy, I also recognize that there will always be a percentage of people who don't want to pay for something.
The way I see it, either they don't like the content enough to pay, or they love the content, but cannot pay (for whatever reason)
If they don't like the content enough to pay, they wouldn't pay if they had no other option, they'd simply not consume the content.
If they like the content enough to pay, but cannot, then they're a future consumer and are probably advertising the artist by word of mouth.
So in the end, I don't see a whole lot of issue with this. It does suck for Spotify, since they pay-per-play, but if these people were forced to pay or listen to ads, I imagine many would simply find a different service.
Ssyynnxx ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 14:13:58 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
XD
Divergent2000 ยท -27 points ยท Posted at 14:17:21 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah. YouTube downloading is officially piracy, but even my pro-copyright parents are 100% fine with it since it is such a big thing and because users of such downloaders are never chased down (even though infringing on local copyright in my country is considered a "criminal" offense).
Iohet ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 14:24:51 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
At first I thought you were joking. Now I realize you aren't.
Ssyynnxx ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 14:23:10 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
"other people steal so stealing is okay"
Queen_Jezza ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:37:05 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
huh? what country
Divergent2000 ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 15:06:03 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Serbia
Queen_Jezza ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:20:27 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
interesting. never heard of such strict laws outside of the US
Divergent2000 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:06:09 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, but in practice it is a bit different, which means that you only get caught if you are illegitimately torrenting domestic content. If you sell pirate copies, it is much worse (they confiscate and sell your personal belongings in some cases in order to pay back the fine, etc...). As for foreign content (especially American), they don't seem to care at all even though the gov monitors ALL BitTorrent traffic (my best friend never got caught and he pirated tens of thousands of dollars worth of professional Adobe software without any protection). I actually got so paranoid when downloading Serbian music off my favorite 100% legal torrent site (archive.org) that I actually used a VPN (I do not know whether it was put there to preserve it for future generations or to deliberately trap downloaders). I personally stay away from pirate torrent sites because my parents banned them and promised big punishments if an infringement notice comes, but they let me download all the crap I want from archive.org and legittorrents.info !
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:01:53 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I guess if we get tons of people to start stealing cars off the lot the police wonโt be able to do anything because so many people do it... and because nobody chases them anymore itโs okay to steal!
GUYS WE DONT HAVE TO PAY FOR ANYTHING AS LONG AS WE ALL STEAL IT
usaff22 ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 14:27:38 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
How is it deceptive? Did the website or adverts for Spotify free say โAd volume is the same volume as your music!โ?
[deleted] ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 14:32:30 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
That would be illegal. Deception is not about legality.
ryanloh ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 15:08:51 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
nah, but that should be a common courtesy for everything.
Streaming TV is notoriously bad about this as well. Whatever the volume equalization of the programming is should be carried through to all the ads within said program.
ThisMachineKILLS ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 15:26:28 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Common courtesy is paying a reasonable subscription fee for the music youโre listening to
ryanloh ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:57:43 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I agree with you, and I do personally.
but it doesn't make sense that across all platforms it's not a standard to have commercial volumes the same as the music. I don't see why that is an issue people disagree on. It's not like I'm trying to NOT listen to the commercials, just play them at the same volume as the music?
ThisMachineKILLS ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:16:42 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I mean I understand why people would be annoyed by it. But I think Spotify gives you a pretty easy solution not to hear the ads at all, so I think it's pretty much a non-issue
Zetalus ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:50:45 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Some people can't afford to be spending $10/month on spotify or don't use it enough to justify the spending. Having the ad option is perfectly fine for most people since everyone gets paid for listening. What isn't fine is causing your users pain for choosing that option.
ThisMachineKILLS ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:09:49 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
If you canโt afford it, donโt use the service. If you absolutely have to use the service, deal with the ads. If you absolutely canโt deal with the ads, pay for the service.
You get no sympathy from me for skimping on 30 cents a day for unlimited, ad-free streaming music from almost any artist you can name.
dakoellis ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:23:29 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I don't think he's arguing that the ads should be louder, just trying to figure out how deceptive is the word choice to describe it.
bakutogames ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:14:40 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Or if you donโt like their monetization you could just use a different service or start your own. You donโt get to leave the grocery store with goods for free because you donโt like the pricing...
Hunterrose242 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:33:51 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
What was your argument during the mp3/Napster days? And will your current justification for stealing change when the way we get our media changes again?
Cdevon2 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:53:49 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
If you don't want to support Spotify, don't use it. That's how it works for literally anything else.
JoshuaIan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:54:08 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Loud advertisements aren't deceptive, it's how advertising has been done on audio mediums since the beginning of time. Haven't you ever noticed how the commercials on TV are at least a few dbs louder than the show?
Zedonger ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:55:33 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Saying the ads are intrusive is no reason to justify stealing. Just move to a different platform or pay for using a very good service.
neutralkushhotel ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:57:12 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
No, you still can. If you don't like the ads then don't use the service.
himynameis_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:04:19 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Deceptive ad practices like playing the ad loud? May I have clarification as to what's "deceptive" about this?
svenne ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:17:29 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Is this different per country perhaps? Maybe it's an American thing? Never ever noticed this in Sweden, though there used to be a fucking Bee commercial that made me think I had a bee in my ear and I panicked for a second every time.
Pew-Pew-Pew- ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:23:53 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Spotify's ads are deceptive how?
asganon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:50:05 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Everything is deceptive if you want it to be, using knowledge for your advantage aint deceptive.
Pizzadoos ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:00:56 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
When did "I'm taking their stuff for free!" become the answer to business practices you disagree with, rather than "I'm not going to use their service".
Jmgill12 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:23:47 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, I was more than happy to pay by listening to the ads.
I refuse to pay by possible later in life hearing loss.
That dude above you can get fucked. I never muted their ads until they started blasting my ears.
eifersucht12a ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:18:25 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
No. We can make them now. Because "deceptive ad practices" (TIL loud volume hurting your wittle eaws is "deceptive") don't entitle you to steal. Period. It isn't rocket science.
emannikcufecin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:49:31 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Bullshit, people are just looking for a way to justify scamming the system
Sinoops ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:56:45 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
How does Spotify having loud ads justify pirating from music artists? Just isena different service or buy the music if you don't like.
Dragarius ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:19:20 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I don't even care that much about the ads. But being able to skip endlessly and listen to exactly what I want to listen to is important to me.
imnotquitedeadyet ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:53:05 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Thatโs fucking stupid. Donโt like the ads, but premium. Or donโt use it. Or accept that if you do use an adblocker to suppress the ads, youโre an asshole whoโs stealing from artists. Donโt pretend to be this warrior for internet justice
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:00:09 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I'm staring a crusade against advertisements!!!! /s
zClarkinator ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:32:00 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
nah you're right, most people agree with you, reddit just has a lot of corporate boot lickers and they brigade links like this. shit happens.
Noshi18 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:34:04 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You do have the option to pay for the service.
Ghalnan ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:55:21 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
If you're unhappy with their ad practices stop using the service, simple as that. Stealing isn't justifiable.
negativeyoda ยท 46 points ยท Posted at 16:32:52 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Spotify has never compensated artists properly. Fuck 'em
Source: am artist and former label owner
PointyOintment ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 21:42:03 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I thought that was the labels' fault, not Spotify's, because they just don't pay artists well for any streaming listens compared to physical/online song purchases.
dtevertigo ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 20:02:07 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
And to this day artists are being forced to have their music on spotify, because its totally not worth it for them.
negativeyoda ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:34:30 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Not sure if you're being sarcastic or not, but my stuff that I have the rights to is only on bandcamp.
Spotify isn't worth it
anhydrouscake ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 19:15:12 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Ayy that's why I use it for free without ads :)
dtevertigo ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:58:37 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You use it for free without ads cause u are a cheap fuck. If it were about the artists for u u would buy their stuff instead of using spotify
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:47:27 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Exactly. If you want to support an artist spend 8 bucks and buy their album on itunes, they literally get fractions of a cent for spotify streams.
[deleted] ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 19:10:08 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Word.
Sandokan13 ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 20:16:05 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Nice one buddy, fuck them .
[deleted] ยท 315 points ยท Posted at 15:35:55 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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FlintStriker ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 18:35:51 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I think the biggest thing that differentiates digital ads from "analog" ads is that, for analog, the content provider has already been paid for the ad placement. Whether you change the channel or mute the volume is irrelevant. When it come to Spotify or any website with ads, they get paid on impressions, listens, or clicks. So, blocking the ad is money directly out of their pocket. I won't argue on the morality of ad blocking, but I will say that if you enjoy a website or service and wouldn't like to see it go away, you're not doing that site or service any favors by disrupting their main source of revenue. Personally, I pay for Spotify so I can support the service AND not have to listen to ads.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:45:36 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
This is a much more reasonable opinion than the people calling ad-blocking "stealing."
Eight_square ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:56:56 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
True in short term. But if 50% of people mute their TV ads, the ads will be 50% less effective. Cable companies need to lower the price and it still hurt their revenue, albeit indirectly.
doyouevenliff ยท 105 points ยท Posted at 15:55:18 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
No man, you're obviously a criminal and steal from the cable companies when you mute the ads, or from the radio stations when you change them. /s
[deleted] ยท 67 points ยท Posted at 16:08:52 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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doyouevenliff ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 16:34:17 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah it's like that episode of black mirror
IamtheSlothKing ยท -10 points ยท Posted at 17:23:30 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Could you imagine if he actually had to just go buy his own music or use a different service if he doesnt like spotify, shudder.
gambolling_gold ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 18:03:19 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You could use Pandora, which also has ads but does not let you define a library. Or you could... develop your own streaming service. Options!~
IamtheSlothKing ยท -6 points ยท Posted at 18:06:45 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
If they could find a way to fix the loophole and then force those users to listen to every ad they skipped before resuming normal play, thatd be justice.
gambolling_gold ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 18:14:03 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
How? What benefit would that do society? What was lost that this would repair?
Hesticles ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:55:27 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Their feels.
msau9 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:49:03 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I hope I'm dead before we reach that much commercialization
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 17:58:10 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Is the pirated version of spotify just muting the ads, or is it completely removing them so there is never a break in the music?
naz2292 ยท -6 points ยท Posted at 17:35:44 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Don't use a premium service if you don't want to pay for it? You are stealing in your scenario. Plus your example doesn't make sense. You don't pay to listen to the radio. It's a free service that sustains itself through ads.
gambolling_gold ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 18:05:36 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Stealing implies something is lost. Is there an exchange of money every time I hear a song anywhere? That is the only way this could possibly be stealing.
Moruitelda ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 19:19:12 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It's theft of services. Riding in a taxi and then ditching at the end is theft, even though you haven't taken anything.
gambolling_gold ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 19:20:09 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Time is an important resource.
Moruitelda ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:00:11 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Creating and maintaining the systems that play music on your device also takes time.
gambolling_gold ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:52:44 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I agree. Fortunately, those people have been compensated by people who can afford to pay premium and/or are willing to expand the advertising bubble.
naz2292 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:10:58 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I dunno. Is there an exchange of money every time you connect to the internet in your private home? Or every time you enter a gym? Have you all never paid for a service before? Lol
Yes it's stealing because you are depraving a company the money owed to them for a service that one must pay for.
Like do whatever you want on your phone man i don't care much. But don't act all high and mighty over stealing.
Edit: Rather then responding to every dense person out there parroting the same trite "you can only steal physical objects hurr Durr checkmate" response see the link below.
https://definitions.uslegal.com/t/theft-of-services/
Century24 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 18:18:16 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Stealing involves depriving someone of their property. Illegal downloading is not stealing and neither should not be confused with each other. Refusal to listen to these shitty, obnoxious Spotify advertisements is not stealing, nor does it constitute an illegal download of the adjoining music.
naz2292 ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 18:32:59 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
https://definitions.uslegal.com/t/theft-of-services/
Century24 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:37:13 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
This link is not really pertinent to the topic. Where in Spotifyโs terms or applicable laws does it state that the user must listen to ads on the free service?
naz2292 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:41:27 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I dunno. But if you think about it for a quick second: why would Spotify have a premium service with ads removed if they thought it was perfectly fine to block ads for free?
You are receiving a premium service (ad free usage) by circumnavigating the due cost which fits perfectly with the definition of theft of services.
Edit: since you don't think the link is pertinent, I'll highlight this section from the site:
"the person obtains services, known by that person to be available only for compensation, by deception, force, threat, or other means to avoid payment for the services;"
Century24 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 18:51:44 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Why do they allow volume adjustment if they believe skipping or muting the ads constitutes theft?
But Iโd be circumnavigating it by talking over the ad to someone else, or by lowering the volume of the device. Using a software-based blocker is over the line, apparently, though.
But Spotifyโs advertisement-ridden service is free of charge. It still has nothing to do about why muting ads is somehow theft and now youโre contradicting yourself.
naz2292 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:05:02 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I never said anything about volume adjustment. This article is about people using third party apps to use Spotify's premium service without paying for it. How do you suppose Spotify is going to track users turning down their mobile / car volume during ads?
Spotify's ad free service is not free of charge since you have to pay a monthly fee for it. You and/or anyone one else bypassing Spotify's pay-wall knows ad-free has a monthly cost which they eschew paying for by using a third party software.
If you don't think theft of services is an issue that's your own personal moral judgement. But I don't know how you can believe using an unlicensed third party app to use a paid service for free is not stealing aka theft of services.
Century24 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:11:49 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Whatโs the difference between lowering the volume and using software? Both of them involve skipping ads.
Wait, so itโs like Hulu for music? Iโm not a Spotify user, so I didnโt know they charged and placed ads on their music.
Any service thatโs that out of touch with everyday internet users is probably going to have a tough time with people trying to beat the system in this day and age. They probably have some numbers on whoโs blocking ads, so itโs their choice on whether or not to adjust their business model or to try and part the sea.
Moruitelda ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:22:47 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not sure that we're talking about the same thing. Turning down the volume is one thing. Using software to circumvent the ads entirely so that they don't play is something completely different.
gambolling_gold ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:41:37 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
On their end, how? How is it different on their side of things? What is the effective difference to them?
Moruitelda ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:21:51 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
https://www.spotify.com/us/legal/end-user-agreement/
You grant them the right to provide advertising to you. If you block the advertising, you are breaching the EUA.
raithblocks ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:39:14 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Just because they provide it doesn't mean you need to access their provisions. Why would you jump to that conclusion?
Target provides mouthwash to me, that doesn't mean I have to pay attention to it.
Moruitelda ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:18:43 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The point is that you can't prevent them from providing it to you. You don't have to listen, but you can't use software to prevent it.
gambolling_gold ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:16:00 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Saying that 1-0=1 is the same as acting high and mighty? What? If nothing is lost there is no theft. End of story.
SamuraiJakkass86 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 20:30:23 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
DRINK VERIFICATION CAN TO CONTINUE
Neil_Fallons_Ghost ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:40:22 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Donโt wreck their plan of making you feel obligated to pay attention to advertising. Sheesh.
Moruitelda ยท 33 points ยท Posted at 16:29:21 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
No, what you're doing is breaching the User Agreement, which is a contract. When you use the software for free, you consent to receiving ads from them. By circumventing the ads, you're in breach and you're causing them to miss out on revenue that they're entitled to by your use of the service. It's not exactly stealing, but it's basically morally equivalent.
Hey, you please do better, because these are examples of things that aren't governed by user agreements. Apples and oranges.
SpeedycatUSAF ยท 55 points ยท Posted at 19:04:17 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Sorry, EULAs are not legally binding.
Moruitelda ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 19:05:32 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Some jurisdictions won't enforce them because they're effectively adhesion contracts. But it's far more complicated than that, and many jurisdictions enforce them. I'm not arguing that he's going to get sued, though; just that he's a dishonest, entitled leech.
IrvinAve ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 21:24:19 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
That's overly simplistic. Different people have different tolerances for practices like this. The people with low tolerance push the companies to innovate new revenue models. If the music industry powers that be had their way, we would all still be buying overpriced albums full of songs that most people don't care about just to hear one or two good songs. Not to mention the fact that many people wouldn't be using the service if they had to pay for it (or watch/listen to ads or whatever), so it's not actually lost revenue since the revenue was never there to be had in the first place.
zClarkinator ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:35:12 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
insults are the best way to argue your point
Avant_guardian1 ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 19:15:11 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Iโm not going the tolarate phyisical pain and discomfort so someone else can make a dime.
Itโs just not going to happen.
Hessper ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 20:34:47 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
And you are forced to listen to Spotify and are not allowed to pay them to disable the ads, so the only way to get around this pain is to block ads. I get you dude, you're right.
Moruitelda ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 19:17:27 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Physical pain and discomfort? How loud to you have your speakers turned up?
SuperSocrates ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 19:52:37 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Where in the user agreement does it say I can't mute the ads?
mifitso ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:50:54 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It's probably doesn't say you can't mite the ads, it probably says you can't disable the ads
[deleted] ยท -9 points ยท Posted at 17:01:38 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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RustyHuskyMan ยท 42 points ยท Posted at 17:21:01 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
When you've reached the point where you are comparing Spotify ads to literal slavery, it's time to stop.
[deleted] ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 18:57:40 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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Romymopen ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 20:56:53 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It's been easy to get cheap/free music for 40 years. It's just more convenient now.
[deleted] ยท -10 points ยท Posted at 17:25:06 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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lonnie123 ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 17:42:41 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Except artists willingly put their music on Spotify, knowing the terms before hand.
Keep justifying your theft though, champ.
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 17:49:20 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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lonnie123 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:53:03 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
No one is saying you have to listen to ads. But if you choose to use the ad supported version of Spotify and circumvent the ads, you are indeed taking money away from the artists.
You are welcomed to feel however you want about that.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:54:30 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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lonnie123 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 17:58:49 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Of course you COULD give money right to the artist, but the fact that you are listening on Spotify means you havenโt done that. This is the part you are failing to see.
The person is both choosing not to pay the artist, not pay the people the pay the artist, and make use of the artists art and the persons service, all while not paying.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:03:20 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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lonnie123 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 18:08:02 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It doesnโt MEAN that but it suggests that, and for many many people Iโm sure it does mean that. There are two million people doing this according to the article, you think all of them have paid for the artists material and then decide to stream it on the ad supported version of Spotify, all while going through the trouble of blocking the ads?
Please think this through.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:13:23 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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lonnie123 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 18:17:41 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I have some boot licking to do, so Iโm out of time as well. Bye
Hesticles ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 20:59:57 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Aye at least you know your place.
bananabm ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:03:22 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
So don't use Spotify - only buy CDs from musicians directly at concerts. I don't know, is bandcamp ok or are they too big for your liking?
TebowsLawyer ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 17:27:34 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
"Because one contract can been seen in my eyes as unfair, that now means all contracts in existence are now equally unfair and can be completely voided"....
That's like saying "yeah you should pay back your debts if you owe money, except this one time this guy had an unfair debt to repay so now no one ever has to repay their debts again".
That is literally the logic you're using. Not disputing the reasons why you feel you shouldn't.
Just because I don't like the service I got from one waiter one time doesn't mean I never tip waiters again for the rest of my life. But apparently that's the route you choose and prefer.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:34:06 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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TebowsLawyer ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 17:41:43 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
What you're saying is because slaves had contracts, your contract 200 years later is no longer valid...
And can you please explain how not listening to ads or paying for the premium model is the equivalent of dining and dashing while leaving a big tip? You're just cheap and trying to find some moral justification for it.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 17:47:27 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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TebowsLawyer ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 18:22:01 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
But the thing is you're NOT sending the $20 to the worker who made it.... You're NOT leaving the big tip for the waiter... And at the same time you're saying any contract between two people of differing financial situations is now invalid because of slavery....
Use all the mental gymnastics you want. You're not paying the people creating the content you enjoy. While also saying by somehow not paying for the premium service or listening to any of the advertisements, you're somehow "stealing a shirt while paying the worker who made it $20" while not paying anyone a dime.
You're just cheap and don't care. Stop trying to make it sound like you're above everyone else for not supporting the people who give you stuff you like for free.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:24:49 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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TebowsLawyer ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:34:06 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Absolutely... If you really don't like the way a company uses it platform to say host ads, then don't use it... Because I have enough decency and common sense to realize that if everybody uses ad blockers said website would have to become a paid subscription website to access to be able to stay running.
Now if you wanted to say use ad blocker while also buying some Reddit gold I would be fine with that. Because you're compensating them for their services and getting no ads which is what you want.
What you fail to realize is the only thing keeping all the websites you love from all becoming subscription services is advertising.
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TebowsLawyer ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:51:22 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Then go make one. If you really care so much about it, go do something about it. Instead using a website daily that apparently goes against what you project to be your moral obligations.
But you won't. You'll just stay on Reddit complaining about capitalism. That will solve your problems.
Moruitelda ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 17:53:59 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Fine. Advocate for systemic change. But it's morally repugnant to criticize the system and then play into it.
You have a fucking Pixel XL. Manufactured by HTC through contracts with third party manufacturers in Taiwan, China, and India. Your mobile phone was affordable to you because it was constructed by almost literal fucking slave labor in China, and you have the audacity to whine about having to listen to ads and how that's exploiting you? You have the gall to compare that to African-Americans being whipped for being in the state of Oregon?
You're fucking disgusting. You're a fucking cog in the capitalist system that you claim to oppose, and you only raise the issue of worker's rights when it comes to justifying your own immoral behavior. You don't have the fucking ethical cojones to opt out of the system, so instead you attempt to reap the benefit without contributing and then start virtue signaling when called on it?
You're an awful human being.
SuperSocrates ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:01:48 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Everyone's a cog in the system. To blame him for that is to fundamentally misunderstand the situation we are all in.
Moruitelda ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:04:44 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
He's contributing to a system while attacking it. If you oppose it on moral grounds, don't take part in it.
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Moruitelda ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:01:37 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I don't. I have a Galaxy S8. But I also don't steal services and then try to portray myself as some kind of conscientious objector to capitalism. You're a massive hypocrite.
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Moruitelda ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:15:47 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yes. You agree to compensate them through your conduct for a service, and then don't perform. If you just admitted it, that would be one thing. But instead you're so morally deficient as a person that you actually try to spin yourself as a victim akin to slaves and serfs in order to justify your immoral behavior.
SuperSocrates ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:59:04 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Haha I started searching for that comic to reply with, glad I read yours first. One of the dumber arguments we have to deal with.
19manchesterutd ยท 28 points ยท Posted at 17:51:14 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Did you really just compare advertising to slavery? Are you serious or is this satire?
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19manchesterutd ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 18:08:09 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
People will respect you more if you just say you're too cheap to pay for it man. Trust me I will gladly criticize capitalism every day but do you really not see how disingenuous it is to jump from advertisements to literal slavery. When I criticize capitalism it's in the form of looking at actual real-life modern issues that hurt people not to justify the fact that I don't want to shell out 120 dollars a year to use a service I enjoy. You could always stop using the service completely if you really think it's equal to slavery.
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19manchesterutd ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 18:45:56 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Haha then don't be surprised when services change their rules to make money. I bet you're complaining that Reddit is changing it's services to be more social. Their services their rules right?
Moruitelda ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:26:27 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Sure. And, for the record, I use Ad-Block on reddit on the rare times when my reddit Gold lapses. But I admit that it's because I'm cheap and lazy. I'm not trying to analogize myself to a fucking slave because of how the services that I use for free choose to monetize.
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Moruitelda ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:59:11 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You receive a service that costs money to provide and which supports people's livelihood, for free. You support that by explicitly agreeing to the terms of use, which guarantees them the right to advertise to you.
Drithyin ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 18:25:06 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Quit your bullshit. You know full well this is not even vaguely comparable. You knowingly agree to this contract and are under no obligation to use this software. If you don't like it, you can just stop using Spotify. It's not a right you are entitled to.
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Drithyin ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 18:35:17 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
That makes no sense. Are you suggesting they have no right to demand compensation for the service they provide?
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wolrahxxx ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 18:53:39 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
lol that's stealing you fucking dimwit.
*oh walmart demands i have to pay for this tv. doesn't mean i have to * yeah you can pay for it, or you steal it.
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Drithyin ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:17:34 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Spotify took nothing of yours. They offer a service with 2 compensation options and you are stealing it by providing neither. You have provided a profoundly stupid analogy.
blah blah blah, this is blathering bullshit unrelated to the reality at hand. We aren't talking about yielding a right you had to Spotify. This isn't about following some arbitrary rule unrelated to the most basic terms of providing compensation for a service that is entirely optional and discretionary.
You are bullshitting an excuse to deny a property owner's right to sell their service on their terms. As the consumer, you don't dictate terms. You agree and partake, or disagree and look for a competitor/abstain. You have no inalienable right to Taylor Swift tunes. It's not about the content owners "knowing what's best for you", it being a fucking adult and paying a very nominal fee for a service, or accepting the inconvenience-tax of adverts. Using the service without either form of compensation is in a gray area between contract breach and theft. Neither are morally defensible.
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Drithyin ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:28:47 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
This is when you know the troll has run out of bullshit. The old "I'm rubber, you're glue" move to try to bow out "gracefully".
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Drithyin ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:56:03 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
lol
Or proper quotation mark usage, apparently.
You don't get to chose not to recognize someone's property. That's theft-apologist horseshit. Making up hyperbolic examples doesn't erase the fundamental bad idea of suggesting you don't recognize the concept of private property. If you don't, someone could just go take your shit and wave it away with some new-age-anarchist bullshit philosophy.
You don't get to say you are winning at chess because you don't recognize the limitations set on the pawns while trying to move them in zig-zags around the board. There are basic inalienable rights we all have, an a right to our own property is one of them. That prevents you from stealing my food. Late-stage capitalism is bullshit in a lot of ways, but the notion that services rendered require compensation if you agree to the terms at the outset is pretty universally agreeable. Suggesting otherwise is some 3edgy5me-anarcho-bullshit.
wolrahxxx ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:28:51 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
that's not even close. if you had somehow bought a full version of spotify already and then they turned on ads, yea ok you can make a case.
but that's not the case. you are simply arguing that you dont have to pay for products made by corporations because you believe they have enough money already and other people will foot the bill.
just say that and move on- its a woefully shit argument- but everything else you've been saying is shit.
Drithyin ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:01:00 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, it does, actually. You agreed to a contract stating as much.
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Drithyin ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:27:42 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You agreed by clicking "I Agree" when you signed up.
And your little clause, while cute, is not binding because you are not Reddit, the owner of this platform. Additionally, it is counter to the superseding agreement and rules of Reddit.
It also proves you know exactly when/how you agreed to the clause, as you tried to cheekily use the same style of clause to make a point (badly).
If you made your own forum and injected that rule, I would simply chose not to use your platform, as I find its terms unacceptable, and I would seek out a competitor or choose not to partake at all. You know, like a rational adult.
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Drithyin ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:59:23 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Then you are stealing a paid service.
And don't talk down to me about religious bullshit. You are trying to pretend there's some moral justification for stealing a paid service without compensation.
Admit you are a thief.
Moruitelda ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 17:48:52 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Are you fucking serious? You're going to compare being "forced" to pay for music (that you're not forced to consume, and which you can also get by listening to ads, and which you can get legally through other avenues) to fucking forced labor and serfdom? What a fucking joke.
Still doesn't make you any better than a thief.
You're like the /r/shoplifting folks trying to justify stealing because they're just doing it from the wealthy. You agreed to consume ads that provide them revenue when you signed up for the free service. By circumventing that, you're breaching your agreement and costing them money.
Another idiotic comparison.
Your "disobedience" is not a net positive. You're fucking insane.
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zzzzip ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:13:03 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Dont believe in the idea of private property. Serious?
shmirvine ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 17:15:33 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Lol - itโs very clear that youโre not interested in a debate about this topic - youโre just attempting to justify what youโre doing by downplaying everyoneโs relevant and pertinent facts that theyโre throwing your way.
Comparing a paid(and moderately priced) service to slavery and peasantry? Lol
And then trying to justify it by saying itโs okay because theyโre a large company? Youโre just creating arbitrary rules my dude.
Iโm going to justify taking a shit in your chest . Why? Because you have bundy in your name. If weโre coming up with arbitrary reasons to do things, then why not??
If you donโt like the terms of their services, itโs quite simple - donโt use their service.
IamtheSlothKing ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 17:24:30 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Stop
Feeding
The
Troll
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mighty_atom ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 18:29:08 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
No, but you are the idiot here.
Moruitelda ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 17:51:02 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
"Making me compensate those who provide me services for the services they provide is like slavery, serfdom, and/or a criminal punishment of whipping people for their race."
You're a fucking troll.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 17:20:57 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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Zitadelle43 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 17:32:13 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The contract between slave and master is not comparable as it was not made voluntary. Slavery is forced. Spotify contract is voluntary. Extremely important difference.
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 17:36:46 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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Drithyin ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 18:26:53 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You are full of shit and you know it. Wage slavery/forced labor isn't in any way similar to Spotify offering a free service that requires consumption of adverts.
Moruitelda ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:49:39 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Don't forget governmentally-imposed beatings on the basis of race, which are clearly the same as making you provide some form of compensation to the entity providing you with a service you want.
TehSerene ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 17:21:07 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You can't tell me what to do!
iamarddtusr ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:41:38 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Morally equivalent? It is either stealing or it is not. Morally equivalent means shit.
Moruitelda ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:42:29 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
So, your position is that the only bad thing you can do is stealing? Assault is fine, because it's either stealing or it's not?
iamarddtusr ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:11:14 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Read the message that I have replied to for the context.
Moruitelda ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:16:33 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, I wrote it. Your point is still stupid even in context.
iamarddtusr ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:38:21 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Stupid comments begat stupid responses.
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Moruitelda ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 20:37:45 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, man, because we're all so fucking crooked, right? Lawyers? More like liars, right my man? Hahaha, fucking lawyers
[deleted] ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 20:39:02 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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Moruitelda ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 20:39:29 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
haha fucking lawyers
Junit151 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 17:34:29 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It isn't stealing to mute your TV because the actors still get paid if you do.
zClarkinator ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 23:44:24 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
they're getting paid for a worthless service then. if I don't see or hear the ad, and they still get paid anyway, despite earning the company nothing, how is that better than blocking an ad in the first place?
mikefaley ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 16:38:57 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
If you're being sincere, and you really do have a question about why blocking ads makes you "the bad guy", then I'm more than happy to help with this question. Let me know! It's an interesting subject.
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SongOfStorms11 ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 17:05:11 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I think the difference is in how people get paid.
Musicians (from what I know but could be wrong) are given money based on the number and length of ads that play while listening to their music, similarly to YouTube videos. Therefore, by blocking ads, you are indeed saying fuck you to Spotify themselves, but youโre also taking money from the creator.Granted, itโs PENNIES because you have to get a lot of listens to even make a dollar, but everyone doing it adds up.Iโm hazier on how TV and radio ads work, but muting a TV ad or definitely still gives the creators the money cause the ad is still running. Changing radio stations, not too sure about that one, maybe they get paid ahead of time. But the better comparison to TV muting would be turning the volume down on an ad on Spotify.
Iโm not judging, by the way. I used to use ad block to listen to Spotify until my family got a family plan. I just think you need to see who itโs ACTUALLY possibly affecting.
EDIT: It seems after a bit of research that it seems Spotify gets a pool of money from ads and subscriptions and distributes the money based on number of streams for tracks. However, this still does not make it okay to do this! Because of you not playing ads, the ad money is less than what Spotify could be getting and distributing to artists if you were running ads. Streaming for free when some form of compensation is asked for use of the system is still stealing. It doesn't matter if you're stealing from the corporate bigwigs.
therealdrg ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 18:07:34 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I am 99% sure the artists get paid per play of their track, regardless of whether an ad rolls or not. When you block ads you are taking money from spotify, because they still have to pay the artists for the plays.
SongOfStorms11 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:41:34 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
After reading up on it a bit, it seems that you are correct! However, the ad money goes into a pool that is distributed amongst all artists based on the popularity of tracks. Very interesting!
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:32:53 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
That's incorrect. Artists are paid (fractions of pennies) based on amount of plays. Their money is not directly tied to length of ad.
SongOfStorms11 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:38:03 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Not trying to be a dick by asking this, but do you have a source for that? I'd really love to read up on that
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:49:06 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Source 1: My dad, and also a group of friends have albums on spotify.
Source 2: https://www.theverge.com/2015/12/7/9861372/spotify-year-in-review-artist-payment-royalties
SongOfStorms11 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:54:05 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Thanks for the info! From what I found looking elsewhere, looks like Spotify has a pool of money from ads and subscriptions that is distributed among all artists based on the number of streams for a song? Is that kind of the gist? http://www.indigoboom.com/single-post/2016/06/28/What-Does-Spotify-Pay-Artists
OccupySesameSt ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 17:46:21 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Remember that this parasitic megacorporation allows you to listen to any music you want for free anyways, so long as you're willing to sit through a few loud ads. The better analogy of muting your TV would be turning the volume down on your phone/computer when the ad plays.
Also, I'm genuinely curious how Spotify exploits their workers to provide you this free service. Please do tell.
By all means, continue stealing. Maybe Spotify will kill their free service altogether if your keep at it.
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OccupySesameSt ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 18:07:50 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
That is absolutely what I'm saying. The whole model of a premium service is to provide value over the free service. The value here is that premium users don't need to go through the hassle of listening to or avoiding ads. If you remove that incentive to buy the premium service, Spotify stops making money. If they make no money, they can't pay artists and they go out of business.
Nice dodge. I'm not talking about 'capitalism' in general. I'm specifically talking about Spotify. Convince me that they are exploiting their workers and thus deserve to be stolen from.
thrBladeRunner ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:14:45 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Dude likens Spotify and to a slaver in another comment. There won't be a logical discussion as long as a company is involved in the picture. Ha.
Century24 ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 18:21:05 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
How does refusal to listen to an advert constitute theft? Is there some kind of written agreement the user has breached whereby they were required to listen to these ads? Is it nullified if they werenโt paying close enough attention? If I asked my roommate a question over the playback of these mandatory ads, where should I mail Spotifyโs deserved restitution? I hope they take checks.
OccupySesameSt ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:42:48 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
That's totally fine. The ad played. Maybe someone heard it, maybe someone didn't. That's how advertising works, ya know?
Their free service is literally a vehicle to get paid subscribers. They don't offer it out of the goodness of their hearts. Would you prefer Spotify to not offer a free service?
Century24 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:45:03 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
If talking over the ad is not a big deal, what about that changes if the ad is muted or otherwise blocked?
I donโt use Spotify, so thatโs a moot point. YouTube has better selection and Apple Music and Amazon both offer more competitive rates.
naz2292 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 18:19:12 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
If you really detest international mega conglomerates, then you ought to stop using and promoting (yes that's what you are doing every time you listen to Spotify with your friends) their services.
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Awfy ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:04:00 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You seem pretty short sighted. It takes money away from the other Spotify subscribers who pay for the service since Spotify will pass the cost onto them instead of shareholders.
You're stealing from the average Joe, not a billionaire.
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Awfy ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:48:49 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You seem to think we're all worried about the billionaire's back pockets, we're not. We're worried about our own and you're supporting the people who're potentially causing it for the sakes of maybe getting back at some billionaires which you even admit won't work since the profits go to them regardless.
zClarkinator ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:40:51 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
most people are actually. by "we" you're referring to your right wing camp, not the entirety of humanity
Awfy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:54:22 on March 25, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You think I'm a right winger? I'm a Scottish liberal living in California. Even Bernie's policies were too right wing for me. I just don't think you realize who you're actually hurting with your idiocy.
mikefaley ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 17:02:29 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I see. I understand and respect your opinion on this. It's valid and interesting and thought-through.
That being said, I hope you can understand how some people might see it this way:
All the rationale behind why it's not "stealing" (as well as the rationale that others have given -- the ads are intrusive, the ads are loud, etc) -- can be seen as good reasons not to use the service at all. By using the service, you're agreeing to pay the price (either literally the price, or the price of sitting through ads that could be bullshit, or the price of using a service that exploits their workers). Some people would say that by taking what you want from the service, but not wanting to pay the price asked, that is stealing. Those folks might say you should, instead, not use the service at all.
Hope you got something out of that, as I got something out of your point of view. Happy Friday!
Rhysk ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 17:06:11 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I think he's saying that he agrees it is stealing, and that it is OK to steal in this context.
Eight_square ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:04:00 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
We are all cheap thieves who do things that benefit ourselves. And we justify our action with various* argument.
Ad blocking on websites objectively takes away the revenue. But people do it because it's "intrusive", "malware" etc. You can simply not visit the website.
YouTube Vanced is exactly the same as Spotify Dogfood, but people accept it because "limited availability of YouTube Red". You can stop using YouTube if you don't want to see ads.
Somehow, people turn against us Spotify Dogfood users, while being as cheap as us.
mikefaley ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:25:32 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Eloquently put! Thank you for writing that.
OceanicMeerkat ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:17:35 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You're not stealing from Spotify, you are stealing from the artists you are listening to.
zClarkinator ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:41:28 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
actually they get payed per play so they're unaffected by ad blocking
OceanicMeerkat ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:16:57 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
If you are taking money from Spotify than you are taking money from the artists who are paid by Spotify.
Spotify already pays artists pennies on the dollar. Unless you are a major artist, you aren't making a living from Spotify plays.
zClarkinator ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:35:57 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
not my problem. nobody's forcing the artists to use a shit system.
and, like I said, they're paid per play, not per ad view. They get some fraction of a cent anytime that play button is pushed, but I'm not 100% sure on the nitty gritty. I'm going by what I read here.
OceanicMeerkat ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:57:39 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Where do you think the money that artists earn comes from?
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OceanicMeerkat ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:48:46 on March 26, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
My point was that Spotify pays artists with advertising money, so if you are skipping the advertisements while listening to your favorite artist, you are taking away from the money Spotify uses to pay artists.
You are saying that a model like Spotify does not support the artist and if want to support an artist you like you should find some other way? I agree wholeheartedly.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:57:33 on March 26, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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OceanicMeerkat ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:27:37 on March 26, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Do you not think that Spotify losing ad revenue from 2 million users affects the payout to artists? All these rates are decided on in context of Spotify's revenue, and you don't think that ad money from another 2 million users would change that?
That is the only point I am trying to make.
Right now, artists are incentivized to use Spotify because it is, and has been for awhile, the most used streaming service, and therefore a great way to spread your music to a widespread audience. This is why artists will use Spotify even though the payout is so small.
IamtheSlothKing ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:22:01 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I honestly think its fine that you do it, to incentivize the company to plug those holes to stop shitty people from abusing their service.
AstroJacuzzi ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 20:04:31 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
There's a difference between Cable and Radio ads compared to Streaming internet ads.
For cable and radio they pay for the time slot, so the channel advertising gets their money up front.
For streaming ads they don't get their compensation unless the AD is played to a viewer.
Like for Twitch.tv streamers, if everyone watching their ads used ad block, they wouldn't get anything back for it. Im pretty sure it goes the same for Spotify and Pandora as well.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:05:39 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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AstroJacuzzi ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:12:21 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I'm just talking about the one comment I replied too.
Your example wasn't the best for the situation and I was saying why I thought so.
fenbekus ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 17:09:25 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Except TV stations still get the revenue even if you mute. Spotify will not get anything however because you've completely blocked the source.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 17:13:32 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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fenbekus ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 17:17:27 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Anarchist, huh?
Well, anyhow, not only the shareholders do not get the money, but the artists as well.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:30:10 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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Arge1497 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:10:20 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Everyones using the โyour hurting the artistโ argument but they all seem to forget that spotify itself has some of the most shady practices for artist payment, artists get something like 30% of the revenue made from playing their songs on spotify? Yea. Ill pass.
usaff22 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 21:38:59 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
So donโt use it then. Just because you disagree with a companyโs policies doesnโt give you a right to steal from them.
Arge1497 ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 23:13:30 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Everyones argument ever against this is โwell then just dont use itโ. Cmon man, you can do better
usaff22 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:41:31 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Truth hurts I guess
zClarkinator ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 23:42:32 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
"hurpa durr muh free market!!!"
that's about all you're going to get from right wingers dude
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:49:55 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
No, you already pay for the service. Nice try at a shitty analogy though.
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 17:28:31 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 17:33:43 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Sorry, I guess your parents must pay for it then ยฏ\_(ใ)_/ยฏ
mastersword130 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:43:45 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I don't pay for cabel either but still get public broadcast. Tv ads are cancer hence why I cut the cord and just stream everything. Once ads start coming to my streaming services I'll just pirate to get rid of ads.
IamtheSlothKing ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:26:02 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Oh do I really โโโโโโโโโโโโpayโโโโโโโโโโ for the service? Is it โโโโneccesarryโโโโโโโโโ for me to โdrinkโโ my own โโโurineโโโ?????
[deleted] ยท -8 points ยท Posted at 17:33:15 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Your use of
"really makes you look dumb, tbh.Cable is a service you pay for, maybe it's not you but your parent's paid for it and hooked it up in their basement ยฏ\_(ใ)_/ยฏ
IamtheSlothKing ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:35:43 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Whoosh
SushiGato ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:50:20 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
If you're altering the pay for product to be free wouldn't that be stealing? I assume spotify wouldn't have a problem if you just muted volume when an ad plays.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:52:30 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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SushiGato ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:57:53 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Possibly. But I still like them, we get served way too many ads as is. I will say though, if you want spotify to exist you should probably pay for their service. Otherwise they may not exist in the future. Ultimately its on spotify to make sure their customers pay tho.
PointyOintment ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:45:50 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
So do you pay a fee to the websites on which you block ads?
SushiGato ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:12:37 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I don't use an ad blocker.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:51:04 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:41:15 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Because you are changing the terms of the agreement they offer without their consent.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:44:29 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:58:01 on March 25, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You are the ideologue my friend.
nanatenshi ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:14:40 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
When you pay for cable tv, you pay for the whole package. By pirating Spotify, you are literally getting it for free. i mean, I don't use Spotify but thats a bad argument.
Apllejuice ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:31:09 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
But with cable you're paying for the service while still getting adverts
dayyob ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 16:50:11 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
And even when they do have money they donโt pay artists. Oh except that .0006 of a penny per play.
snuljoon ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:48:21 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I feel like a lot of people think they are supporting artists with using spotify.
And while technically correct, paying for music is better for a sustainable and evolving music industry than pirating. And yes, the artist technically gets paid.
But I would argue supporting a business model like spotify is what is killing music. The artists get paid virtually nothing for having their music in disgustingly low quality available. They market it as a solution to decade old problem of record revenue declining, while in reality they are contributing to it more than something like napster ever did.
ร would greatly urge you to take a look at spotify's payment structure towards the artist. How they are growing as a business, having more streams per song on average and manage to pay less to the artist the more they make. How records that cost tens of thousands of dollars to record & mix for starting bands now make about $500 bucks in sales if they are extremely successful on spotify.
Sure, ease of use is great, and having such a vast record collection at the ready can be worth the money to a lot of people. But pls don't think you are doing something noble for artists around the world.
tl:dr Paying is great for making spotify rich, not for supporting your favorite artist.
Beta-Tri ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:57:15 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Spotify cant pay artists anyway
Zakkimatsu ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:04:43 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Okay, then a new company like spotify will appear with a better pay model.
Ads have been getting more and more cancer each passing year. Before they were very passive. Now you have to actively participate which ads you'd rather see (Hulu). I'll adblock that because i'd rather not waste my limited bandwidth loading that, not to mention wasting time in my life.
cameronbates1 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:28:43 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Devil's advocate: The artists make fractions of pennies from streams as opposed to other forms. Lack of streaming won't hurt them monetarily as much as it will with exposure
Convict003606 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:44:18 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
If I knew people were dependent on me collecting ad revenue from my product I would listen to my users when they told me, repeatedly, that those same ads were obnoxious to the point that they couldn't stand them.
lartones ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:05:40 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Theyโre already rich anyways!!!
anhydrouscake ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:13:08 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Don't give a shit free is free
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:22:47 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
lol foh
gulyman ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:37:55 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Nope. I'm stopping my computer from downloading something I don't want.
I have at no point agreed to download their ads, but when I make a request to their server they send me a list of things to download. I then choose which ones I want to download, and they gladly send them to me.
It's like if you went to a museum that has free entry, but in one of the galleries there was a table with little hats and a sign that said "little hats for you to wear". You know that some artist will get a dollar if you wear a little hat, but that's pretty stupid and I'm not going to wear a little hat.
JeanSolPartre ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 16:26:35 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Eh fuck it. Spotify have sketchy revenue shares for artists anyway. If you want to support artists, buy their music on bandcamp, go to shows or share their stuff on social media. Sirius XM radio pays well too and let's you discover a bunch of new stuff, so do local college radios.
I'm a musician and I couldn't care less. Spotifiy's safe ass playlist system is a fucking curse too, you've got so many artist doing music "to get on playlists" nowadays. I'm kinda rambling but my main point is Spotifiy (and other streaming services) don't pay the artists and are very sketchy regardings reproduction rights, why should I support them?
Woodie626 ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 14:11:01 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
FM radio has been around for ages, and you don't have that problem there.
dxequalssigmaxsquare ยท 33 points ยท Posted at 14:44:34 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I respectfully disagree
Bladelink ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 16:10:18 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
And as a result, a lot of us haven't listened to broadcast radios in years. I sure as hell haven't. AUX input and cruise for the last 100k miles probably.
itsjosh18 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:01:41 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You act like everyone uses radio. The only times I use FM radio in the car is if I make a really short trip like 5 minuets or less and I donโt feel like pulling my phone out of my pocket. And when ads do play on a station I flip to another one.
Woodie626 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 15:15:23 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Point is:
It's been here, and it's been free.
Multitude of ads from local businesses, not the same obnoxious want a break from the ads? shit.
All ads on radio are in competition with each other, so shitty commercials don't last, where streaming services play their same ad on repeat.
See the difference?
itsjosh18 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 15:19:23 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yes
Not always. It really depends on your location and the station. While itโs less obnoxious than Spotify itโs still obnoxious.
3.hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha. No there are some really really shitty ads.
_patagucci ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 15:42:45 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
He obviously hasn't heard the ads with car horns/sirens blaring.
Woodie626 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:09:26 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Our local stations boycott those, too many complaints.
_patagucci ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:54:41 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I'm jealous!
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:55:57 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The bootlicking is strong here.
walruz ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:04:17 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Dude, words have meanings.
koizoizhick ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:09:21 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Artists do not see much in terms of payment from these subscription services. Most of the money goes to spotify
Thatretroaussie ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:57:01 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
How is it stealing? Nothing is being taken.
the_monkey_of_lies ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:18:20 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Every time you listen to a song Spotify has to pay at least royalties (which is significant) and the cost of sending the song to you (which is pretty small). In exchange they want you to either pay them directly or to listen to their adds so they can cover the costs of the royalties and infrastructure that way.
If you work around this so that you are listening to the music without giving them any revenue in a way they don't approve, I would say you are pretty much stealing even if no one is removing anything physical from them.
This is also not the same as piracy where you just make a copy of something, listening to their catalog actually costs them money. If you don't want to pay it's better to use piratebay than leech of a company that's struggling to make money in the first place.
doyouevenliff ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:39:33 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
did you really just equate circumventing an annoying audio ad to access a resource that is already public, free, and digital to FUCKING STEALING?
CjsJibb ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:15:25 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Jokes on you, all my favorite artists are dead. (I still pay for Spotify though because Iโm too lazy to figure out how to steal that shit)
NorrisChuck ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:54:40 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Artists get pennies, compared to the record companies that are the true devil that they are stealing from.
ItalianHipster ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:12:42 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
To be fair Spotify hardly pays the artists. Iโm pretty sure they get sued over that.
re_error ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:47:46 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
And what is more there is no justification like for adblock that the ads track you.
FlyingPiranha ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:16:33 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
While I do pay for Spotify, you're really stealing more from the labels and Spotify itself than the actual artists. Artists get paid almost nothing from those plays, it's sad.
Wonka_Vision ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:17:32 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
inb4 "piracy actually increases sales"
Wiggles114 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:41:17 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
spotidy got pleeeeenty of money
BillieGoatsMuff ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:44:23 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The artists arenโt making money in Spotify either.
SuperSocrates ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:51:31 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Muting the ads is not stealing. Jesus fucking Christ.
teddytwelvetoes ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:02:32 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
lol Iโm a paid Google Music subscriber but Spotify is gonna pay the artist .0000003 cents per stream whether Iโm adding to their c-suiteโs yacht fund or not
runnyyyy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:06:11 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
to be fair, the spotify ads are unacceptably loud. at least back when I had the free version. I'd be listening to some slow music and then BAM 3x louder than normal audio with really upbeat music
b2A ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:16:11 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
oh we are stealing from rich peoples, that's so sad, we should give em more money. I win 800โฌ/month; they win million $. Sorry if I steal their music. I have no money to pay for it.
SamuraiJakkass86 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:31:10 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I like to blare my TV volume at max during commercials instead of muting it, because it shows that I'm supporting basic cable companies.
AnIce-creamCone ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:33:34 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
When all the ads are for their premium service and nothing else it gets frustrating.
LewsTherinTelamon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:44:30 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Does changing your volume count as stealing now? Does controlling what sounds reach your own ears constitute theft? This is nonsense.
Romymopen ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:52:49 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Tell those artists to keep all their art to themselves. That'll show the world.
SpunkyMcButtlove ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:54:37 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
They ran an ad where the last 20 seconds where a guy telling you that because you can't listen to music without listening to ads, he'll now make you listen to him singing intentionally crooked for ten seconds.
Spotify can go fuck themselves.
esacbw ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:08:24 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
While I agree with your comment, but Spotify doesn't have any money anyway - they made a loss of around $1bn last year and about $600m the year before IIRC. Hence why they aren't able to pay artists any more than they do at the moment - especially with their DPO coming up in a few weeks
OceanicMeerkat ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:16:31 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
If you want to a support the artists you are listening to, don't use Spotify.
xmith ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:26:50 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
pretty sure they still get paid for the commercials regardless if people mute them/block them.
Neil_Fallons_Ghost ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:38:28 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The artist really isnโt losing anything. They sign contracts that are usually fee based on a per play of a track or some flat fee. Spotify loses ad revenue and thatโs it.
newmetaplank ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:40:59 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Spotify's making ads a unpleasant experience by design. That coupled with luring a lot of free or discounted premium users who eventually end up on free.. pretty scummy.
Ask Spotify why I could hear 2 Ford commercials in a row.. the one with death metal playing really loud for 1/2 the commercial. Probably hear it a 3rd and 4th time before the end of the day.
I think its time everyone realizes we're in a day and age where people pay what they want for entertainment. At age 12, I had thousands of songs on my 40$ MP3 player.. meanwhile the generation before me spent 1000s on CDs they can't listen to anymore. (CD players are obsolete and its very hard to convert CDs into digital that isn't considered "pirated") Its the very same deal for me.. I'm either gonna pay 120/y for the rest of my life and/or end up with no music collection at some point..
So no thanks. There's a million legal and "illegal" ways to get free music, why should I pay for music? I consume way too much entertainment to pay for all of it. If I couldn't pirate or "hack" my way into what I want the most, I would use something free instead. They're not losing any business with me lol.
mickmon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:48:03 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I'm an artist on spotify and know how little top artists make making you're argument invalid. They basically don't pay artists anything, it's lower than any other streaming platform. You're just refusing to pay spotify for a service that doesn't support its content creators.
I_HaveAHat ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:37:52 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Stealing is when you take something from someone. Listening to music without paying isint stealing anything
thatirishkid ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:41:34 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
booo this man!!!!!
rollsterribleblunts ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:47:18 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
you're not stealing from the artist, they make $ each time the song is streamed...I know b/c my music was on there
OhHeyDont ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:09:14 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Lol if they don't want people suppressing ads then they should make a product worth paying for.
DrewbieWanKenobie ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:41:38 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
All I'm stealing is a little bandwidth, which is essentially free so I don't feel bad at all.
The_Black_Stallion ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:18:17 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
They are rich enough
RubbInns ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:36:01 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
i just stream everything for free. what is this pay and ads thing?
DarthReptar666 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:37:53 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It's not stealing, it is a free service.
gambolling_gold ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:33:19 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Iโll call it stealing when something of value is lost.
anxious_ibex ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:52:00 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Considering the fact that everyone used to just pirate 10 years ago, it's not bad that we don't want to listen to ads. I pay for pro.
When I didn't, you better believe I would mute ads or do whatever to avoid them. Don't let ads ruin your ecosystem (cough Facebook) and expect people to like your service.
NoMoreNicksLeft ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:16:18 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Nope.
When you stream from Spotify against their terms, you're stealing their service. They pay for that bandwidth after all.
But not "stealing from the artist", as they have all their property that they had prior.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:26:21 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
FUCK EM. They make ads intolerable then we'll keep blocking ads. This is a two way street.
major_tennis ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:26:48 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
listening to something thats being broadcast is not stealing. stealing takes something away. listening to a copy of a song does not effect the original
Ashmodai20 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:43:37 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I'm stealing from millionaires when I stream for free? I'm ok with that.
englad ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:45:30 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Those poor millionaires, whatever will they do :(
Ihaveausernameee ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:03:44 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah this is pretty much going to be the only way to make money from music soon so please donโt.
cjf_colluns ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:15:43 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
If I steal a pair of jeans from walmart, am I stealing from the jean company or from walmart?
My point is that people not listening to ads is a spotify problem, not an artist problem. If spotify wants to cut into artists pay because people are stealing, that's not ok for spotify to do.
PointyOintment ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:47:41 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Too bad that we can't discuss that question anymore, now that /r/shoplifting is banned
LifeinParalysis ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:15:26 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
This is a valid issue though. I've had ads pop my speakers before. There's no excuse for them to allow ads to set max volume over the current system volume. There are regulations for TV for the same reasons.
Yes, there are people who want everything free, and that's annoying. But the current ad display system is unacceptable.
Droppit ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:33:02 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yea, maybe you need to go check out the word "theft." It doesn't mean what you think it means.
Lawrencium265 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:35:59 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
"stealing" they're not committing a crime by blocking content sent to them.
Divergent2000 ยท -6 points ยท Posted at 14:11:23 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Not stealing. You still get the same content for free.
Geneolgia ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 14:15:47 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You're using a service without financially supporting it.
3_Thumbs_Up ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 14:51:00 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
That's like walking out of the living room every time a commercial starts on the TV. Is that stealing as well?
Geneolgia ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:54:01 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The models for these are different though, in television advertisers don't pay per ad impression, they pay a lump sum to have their ads played on a certain channel during a certain time slot. The station gets paid the same amount regardless of rather you walk off to take a piss. If you block ads on spotify, it doesn't count as an ad impression, and Spotify doesn't receive the revenue for it.
3_Thumbs_Up ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:23:25 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Not really. Sure, the advertisers can't know if you are actually watching their ads on a case by case basis, but they do have measurements of how effective their ads are, and this affects the prices. If literally no one watched TV ads, they'd be worth less than today. If literally everyone watched them, they'd be worth more than today. So the effect on revenue is still there, even if it can't be measured on a case by case basis.
whythreekay ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:59:00 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
No, the revenue is based on the TV being on the channel, so the content provider still gets paid, they donโt know youโre sitting there watching the commercial
3_Thumbs_Up ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 15:24:09 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Ah, so as long as I block ads in an undetectable way it's ok. Got ya.
whythreekay ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:47:33 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Not saying that at all, just that your analogy was bad
wheelgator21 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 14:59:29 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
No because the ad plays on the tv regardless. Cheating free Spotify to not have ads is reducing the number of people hearing them, which reduces the value of the ads which is less money to Spotify, which means less money to the artists you're listening to.
3_Thumbs_Up ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:14:51 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
But you're using the the TV channel without financially supporting it. 5 minutes ago that was defined as theft.
wheelgator21 ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 17:56:58 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
No because I'm still a "viewer" as far as that network is concerned. They have no way to know if I paid any attention to the ad or not. I'm assuming spotify has a quantifiable way to tell how many people an ad reached. You circumventing spotify ads is reducing the amount of listeners the ad has which makes them less valuble.
zClarkinator ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:51:41 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
so it's okay to block ads as long as the provider doesn't know you're doing it?
wheelgator21 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:56:06 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Honestly if the content creator is still getting paid the same as they are if they do know, then personally I don't think it's that bad.
3_Thumbs_Up ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:15:57 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The mental gymnastics required for this opinion is astounding.
Ad purchasers can't know if any one specific person is watching an ad, but they do have an idea of the percentage of viewers who are watching them, and they obviously take this into account when they are deciding to buy ad space. So not watching commercials does have an effect on the profitability of the service you are using. If literally no one watched TV ads, then obviously no one would pay for TV ads either. So if you are among the people who walk out of the living room or change the channel when the commercial starts, then you are essentially doing the exact same thing as the spotify ad blockers.
Divergent2000 ยท -7 points ยท Posted at 14:19:37 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
No. I do not use Spotify, but how in the hell do we know that they give anything to the artists? Proof needed! Also, artists themselves claim that the record labels are ripping them off and that they do not care if their music is being "illegally" consumed.
fonix232 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 14:36:12 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Spotify has a pretty transparent policy on the revenue sharing for artists. They even allow standalone (no studio/producer/publisher) artists to earn money easily, after each playback of their songs.
Let's not forget that the majority of the content still comes from large publishers, who WILL demand payments per listen. It's not like Spotify is getting away with grand copyright infringement.
Geneolgia ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 14:23:40 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You think the largest streaming music service in the world doesn't pay any money to the rights holders of said music, and somehow we just haven't heard about this? Are you dense? Even if they weren't paying rights holders (which is, genuinely one of the strangest assertions I've heard) it still costs them a lot of money to provide the service of actually delivering the music to the people who use the app. If you want to pirate music, go download it from the pirate bay or something. You're going to drive up the cost of the service for those of who are actually willing to pay for the services we use.
[deleted] ยท -7 points ยท Posted at 14:26:53 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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Geneolgia ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 14:29:16 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I enjoy the service they provide and don't want the price of it to go up because others decide to use the service without paying or listening to ads. Fuck me for not wanting to pay for other people to pirate music, eh?
[deleted] ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 14:32:35 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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Geneolgia ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 14:35:05 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I think wanting to not pay more than I already do for something is kind of the opposite of that subreddit but you do you my man
segagamer ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:20:33 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
If the ads were relevant to what I was listening to, then I wouldn't have a problem listening to them.
But them playing garbage pop/rap adverts for the 'latest promising artists' whilst I've got classical on my playlist was enough for me to just stop using the service as my main form of music listening altogether, and encouraged me to just set up a Plex server.
proachute ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:34:15 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You're a cop
Jamisbike ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:57:57 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I couldnโt care less. There is so much content in the world that I donโt need more of it, and I hate ads.
Find a more relevant way to advertise me stuff I might actually buy, then weโll talk. The ad push and promotion is ancient, I donโt see why I should comply because they are lazy and canโt invent better way s to advertise or better income streams.
BLlZER ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:47:04 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Stotify could stop ads from being broadcasted. That's how they pay them. We as users should not be spammed with garbage every 2minutes. When greedyfy stop broadcast ads I'll pay.
TehSerene ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:16:16 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Some people are just poor and having a constant barrage of bullshit advertising thrown at them makes them feel even worse so they block ads.
SlitScan ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:51:07 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
and they get the money by selling your data to right wing extreamist billionaires while screwing those dirty lefty artists.
win win
jessejamess ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 15:14:20 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Have you heard their ads? I had friends walk into my room just as an ad started playing 3x louder about erectile dysfunction and other penis problems. They are hoping to embarrass me into buying spotify premium. They are wrong.
Woodie626 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 14:09:19 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The two aren't mutually exclusive.
Tiptup300 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:10:51 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Not justifying it or anything, I mean I had spotify free for a while and the ads are so off putting. Worse than radio.
Now a paying customer, eh, I wish I could just add whole albums only.
I like albums, is there any sort of physical cd club or something, where I pay a monthly fee for like 2 cds a month or something?
cspjohn ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:36:17 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
This, the family account is just really cheap. Really don't know why people skimp out on Spotify accounts.
Account_1223 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:23:53 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It's ยฃ15 a month! It's only justifiable if you have someone living in the same household as you who also wants to use Spotify
cspjohn ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:50:30 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Well, duh. It's for family or friends. You can just use normal account if you don't have any relatives, family, girlfriend or even friends. (Man, that hurts to even write down.)
asodfhgiqowgrq2piwhy ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:40:24 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
/r/piracy is like this.
Like, I understand pirating stuff to an extent. When you have 10 different online services and 12 shows to watch, you have to be out of your mind to think I'm going to pay for 10 different subscription services per month to keep up with those 12 shows.
Now Spotify on the other hand? All my music is in 1 place for a reasonable price. At that point you're splitting hairs to be cheap.
If it's less effort to pay for something legally than it is to pirate it, I'll pay for it. But when you have a bunch of different tiers, or for video games, a shit ton of DRM that bogs down my PC/forcing me to use your garbage client that forces me to be online for a single player game, you can bet your ass I'm pirating it.
Spotify made me stop pirating music, flat out. It's just too convenient. Honestly, I wouldn't be surprised if Spotify completely removed the free tier. I could see them switching to a base end model that is basically the free app without ads for a cheap like 99 cents a month model, and not modifying the current model. Obviously people are getting around ads while still using the free app. Unless spotify gets some better developers to harden their app, this seems like the only route they can take, as banning those accounts doesn't seem to be working.
eskimoFry ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:20:24 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Some businessmen are greedy and want to be profiting middlemen who meddle with the way music is enjoyed just so they can have control
chapterpt ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:23:44 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
They have a responsibility to make sure they aren't giving me their product for free. if I open a store but allow people to leave without paying for a product, do I have a theft problem or a store problem?
ExiledLife ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:51:36 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It would be nice if the law that required TV commercials not be louder than the TV show would apply to streaming content as well.
EsrailCazar ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:42:48 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
WANT A BREAK FROM THE ADS?
I would use #Spotify as my sleep aid and play the quietest, loveliest piano music I could find...then the ads.
Kolbreez1 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:43:05 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
โWANNA BREAK FROM THE A D S
colenotphil ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:11:34 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
They have laws about that on TV.
crushendo ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:15:06 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I started suppressing them after they kept playing loud condom ads featuring an orgasm during my Christmas music playlist with the family. I don't regret it for a second.
SamuraiJakkass86 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:27:55 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
When I first signed up for Spotify I was listening to some Mexican music (like the stuff you'd hear on the radio) even though I'm white AF. To this day I still get extremely loud spanish ads. I think its mostly funny, but there's a point where I don't want my ears blown off.
curumba ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:07:40 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
also the ads are not just loud, but specifically made to be as unpleasent as possible. Instead of ads for music, or whatever they make loud cat and ping pong noises. i stopped using spotify about 3 years ago.
cmVkZGl0 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:55:49 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It's more than just volume. They can employ psychoacoustic techniques to make it appear louder even if it isn't. This us why you would use replaygain or look at loudness units between tracks.
mleibowitz97 ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 14:48:10 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
"I pirate software because ads are loud"
dsigned001 ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 15:33:49 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
"I block ads because ads are loud"
Also, ad blocking isn't pirating software. Maybe pirating music, but modifying the spotify client or redistributing it isn't at all necessary to kill the ads.
beertastic ยท 46 points ยท Posted at 14:54:41 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
If only Spotify offered a way for users to legitimately avoid the ads.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 18:41:45 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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beertastic ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:16:00 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I really don't know. Are they any louder than other commercials? Pandora is pretty loud, the radio, tv commercials are blaring.
I always find ads to be way too loud. They probably just play them the way they are given to Spotify.
cjpack ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:50:15 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah they are still making money from those who use their free version. If anything by making the ads more tolerable, they would be more profitable by not making people try to suppress them as much. Win/win for spotify, its advertisers, and users.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 17:30:36 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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mleibowitz97 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:01:27 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Are they louder than the music sometimes? Yeah. But they aren't causing heart attacks or ear damage lol. If the ads are that annoying just use Apple music or GPM.
HaloFarts ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:00:29 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Lol I do it cause its free and no one can stop me.
Gamerhead ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 14:54:38 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Spotify isn't software
TheTroglodite ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 15:26:02 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
how so?
dsigned001 ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 15:34:56 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The Spotify client is software, Spotify itself is a service.
femmenomenon ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:28:49 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
What? According to what definition?
Gamerhead ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:52:39 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Usually being an app or program running on some OS? They weren't stealing the app, they were essentially stealing the premium streaming service. You don't have to buy the app, you get it for free. It's more like they cracked the apps, but Spotify itself is a service.
femmenomenon ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:18:09 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Sure, with Spotify you donโt pay for the software, you pay for the access to music. But to say Spotify isnโt software is incorrect. Itโs not software-as-a-service, but itโs still software.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:26:58 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yes it is....? I don't think you know what software is.
SHITSandMASTURBATES ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:55:34 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Uh I do... I turned Spotify on and my phone was still rock hard. 0/10 could not use Spotify as pillow.
159258357456 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:18:05 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You're an idiot. It's not supposed to be used as a pillow. It's clothing.
soft... wear. See?
SHITSandMASTURBATES ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:05:44 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
My god you're right
loganparker420 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:50:20 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
For everyone I know it was because of the god awful shuffle bullshit. I don't mind the ads but my playlists are all 100+ songs long which makes them unusable with shuffle. I would never get to the song I actually want to hear. I also don't understand why tablets don't require shuffle but phones do?
TimTebowMLB ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:51:38 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
So pay for the full version! Only the free trial version has ads and shuffle.
noxav ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:51:05 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It's not Spotify that cranks up the volume, it's the advertisers.
Music normally has a lot of dynamic range in it. Ads however, compress the sound so that everything ends up in the higher end.
niuguy ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 14:55:24 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
TBF Spotify could compress the shit out of the ads and normalize the volumes.
[deleted] ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 14:59:03 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The "buy Spotify premium!" ads are some of the loudest. It really is Spotify that cranks the volume.
Sneaky_Gopher ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:56:18 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Seriously, Spotify is the most annoying advertiser on Spotify by far.
philiac ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:28:18 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
normalization would be trivial on spotify's end. it rly doesn't matter how loud the ads were mastered to be.
dsigned001 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:38:51 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
First off, I don't buy this, because Spotify's own ads are also crazy loud. Second, it's definitely not just a difference in the dynamic range. The volume is clearly being increased, and not subtly so.
But even if Spotify wasn't the one increasing the volume, it does not therefore stand to reason that they have no control over it. They could require advertisers to limit the perceived volume, or they could limit it via software. They don't because this is the deal they've struck with the advertisers, and I'm guessing is supposed to be a way to drive people to the paid subscriptions, which are more lucrative.
poopspank ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:19:43 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Can't you just turn on the normalize volume option in settings? Or does that affect only the music?
Turboxide_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:06:34 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Especially the clapping and screaming one.
IamtheSlothKing ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:18:00 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I mean, probably not
jetglo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:00:26 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I used to have to make audio ads for our artists - Spotify never really used to check the audio on these ads - it was pretty much a manual upload process, so blame dicks like me who didn't reference the average audio output of Spotify in comparison.
fairie_poison ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:10:50 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
play.spotify.com with adblock... that being said i have a family account and so pay 180$ a year for spotify.
and the loud ads are a HUGE problem. they design the ads to be full on sonic assaults. so ill be playing music loud already, and then theres SCREAMING AND GUNSHOTS AND BASS RUMBLES advertising a new xbox game.
Azrael_Garou ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:12:00 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Or playing several intrusive full screen video ads on the desktop program.
Da_Fish ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:14:30 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I hate that played a big part in convincing me to subscribe. I havenโt regretted but still I hated rewarding that behavior
Immortal888 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:25:43 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
https://youtu.be/BvQ571eAOZE
Roslindros ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:30:33 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I agree use SoundCloud Sure Sue me if the levels are have fun with that lol
_danada ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:56:54 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
On Spotify Japan there's this ad that is literally a guy screaming that if you subscribe to Spotify premium you won't have to listen to ads like these ):
Starklet ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:48:37 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Just pay the $10 a month then. Itโs really not that much for unlimited music.
immerc ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:13:13 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It is if you don't listen to music very often.
dsigned001 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:03:11 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It's not "unlimited". It's limited in that I am simply purchasing the right to access the music, not purchasing the music itself (or a license for the music). It's also limited in the scope of who can be listening while the music is playing. As for it being "not that much": I suppose that's a matter of perspective. I think it's a lot, personally
Starklet ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:05:08 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
That's like an extra hour of work a month. To listen to hundreds of hours of music.
GuessWhat_InTheButt ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:08:59 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Worst thing is when a license runs out and you suddenly can't access your niche music anymore.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:14:16 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
if only there was a way to suppress ads without using adblock....
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:01:39 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
There are some people who just do not give a shit about Spotify or whether or not they deserve that $10 a month. you're wasting your time arguing on any moral grounds because this is the view a lot of people have on this issue:
Which one is a better deal? Any information that isn't this is irrelevant to them.
Fenris_uy ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 15:04:08 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Or because the ads are mostly ads of their ad free service. I wouldn't be so bothered by the ads in Spotify if they were actually selling a service to a third party (hearing an ad for a new Netflix show) but hearing an ad about how my experience with the service would be better if I paid them is infuriating.
TrustMeIKnowThisOne ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:23:39 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
So so so Relevant
Side note: There was a legit group that allowed ads, didn't crack to download without premium, anything. All they did was make it read as tablet mode. Why does tablet get nonforced shuffle buy non tablet doesn't? I understand the intent to push premium but it feels like a slap in the face to the user.
middlemanmark ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:48:46 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Fuck off, thatโs a terrible excuse.
gus2155 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:58:23 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Like this?
bovilexia ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:05:06 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
For me it was that and the fact it got to where Spotify would play same ad 3 times in a row. There was never any actual products being advertised, it was just "BUY SPOTIFY PREMIUM, YOU CHEAP F*CK". I switched to a certain comPetitor and it's not because they have the superior product, it's the fact I don't feel like I am being bullied into handing over money.
asganon ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:49:01 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
No, they dont wanna pay for the service they get.
iammrpositive ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:52:45 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It's ten dollars a month for pretty much whatever you want to listen to whenever you want to listen to it. Don't be a cheap ass.
boogswald ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:04:36 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I guarantee this is not it. People who want to have things without paying will always make some excuse that a minor inconvenience is the reason theyโre stealing.
dsigned001 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:06:33 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Ah, the internet guarantee: worth the cost to make it.
boogswald ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:23:03 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Havenโt you seen pirating threads where a company inconveniences someone in a minor way so someone pirates a $60 game in return?
dsigned001 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:16:22 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Except that this is simply a response to remove said inconvenience. In many cases, the ads are still paying, just muted.
But to give you a non pirating example, when Hulu first came out they had one or two ads per show that were between 15 and 30 seconds long. When they got bought out by NBC the ad length and frequency increased. This resulted in me watching far fewer shows on Hulu, and watching anyting that was available anywhere else Ouija Netflix on that service. Then they upped their add length and frequency again to where it was several minutes of ads in some cases. The volume of the ads went up, and the ads became far far less relevant and much more along the lines of random beer ads or credit card ads. I never watch Hulu anymore, and any show that is Hulu exclusive I simply don't watch.
So the argument that the people who are blocking ads are people who were not monetized anyway fails if any of those people, or most of those people, are people who would choose to watch or listen to ads if they were unintrusive, but will simply do without rather then pay the subscription fee. I would argue that there are far more of those people then you might expect and that most of the people who are running at blockers fall into this category
-TheBabadook ยท 43 points ยท Posted at 14:50:13 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Sidd question, Apple Music is their biggest rival, what does Apple Music offer vs Spotify? Is there a premium and basic version like Spotify? (I have android, so I have no idea what AM is!)
bender1800 ยท 56 points ยท Posted at 15:22:50 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
afaik apple music offers a free
30 day3 month trial then its a paid subscription only no free version.side note: apple music is available on android but anytime I tried to use it the app would crash while signing in
OneManIndian ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 15:27:39 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
If youโre on iOS itโs actually three months for the free trial. At least it was for me when I tried it.
bender1800 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 15:39:33 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Apple music comes built into iOS making apple users more likely to use apples service over the free trial period. Once the trial is over they will have built a library and playlists that they will want to keep so they pay for the service. Spotify really should consider a model similar to the way apple does there trial, maybe partner with an android oem to get the software on the phone akin to iOS.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 19:06:19 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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KalenXI ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:51:34 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The only reason I even have Apple Music is because Siri doesn't work with Spotify.
-TheBabadook ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:23:35 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
No free version? Damnnnnnn
carrotstix ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 22:00:17 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Alright, my 3 month Apple Music subscription is about to expire and I've been meaning to write SOMETHING about it so here goes.
Note: I am an Android user living in Barbados
Apple Music has one tier: Paid. You can use itunes cards to pay for it, but good luck finding a place online that'll let you buy cards (and email the code) if you're not from the right country.
Apple Music also has a 3 month free trial.
Apple Music for Android (the app) feels like an afterthought. After the last update at the beginning of the month (the last update was back in December), it broke bluetooth controls for AM. So if you're driving a car, used the car controls to switch tracks , it won't work. Despite people complaining, it still isn't fixed. The app is also buggy, crashy and just feels unrefined to the point that it feels like they didn't tailor the app to suit Android users, more like they copied the iOS app, pasted to Android, did the bare minimum to get it working and then released. There's lots of wasted space and functionality that could be better used.
Apple Music itself is actually pretty good though. It IS supported in my country (surprise!) so I haven't had to use a VPN. However, the app doesn't show up on my Google Play (since Google hides apps that aren't free/ has IAP/ ) so you'll have to go to apkmirror and get the app and then use Apkupdater to find updates.
Since it's the best competitor to Spotify, it also has a similar selection of music except any exclusives Spotify might have. It's easy enough to find the artists you know once you know their name. The problem creeps in when you don't know what you're looking for. Sometimes , when you find an artist, it may have related artists. This isn't always the case. So you may try some playlists, but they're often generic , filled with popular artists so you lose out there too. Apple does have a "Music for you" section where every Friday, it makes a playlist of music it think you would like based on music you've liked. Problem is that it gets hooked on your early likes. Liked a drum and bass song from 2008 when the genre was not as popular? great! get prepared for constant suggestions of drum and bass from now even though you may not like the genre that much. Things like that. You have to constantly like and dislike songs to get anything worthwhile out of the playlist. Compared to Spotify (and way less use) which only took about a month to find good tracks for me, it's been three months and plenty of liked songs and AM still hasn't figured me out. Finding fresh and new artists or just ones that fell through the cracks is impossible unless you're in the scene or you give a listen to everything that comes out.
AM also has a problem in telling you things. You'll oft be playing songs when suddenly there's a long pause. Why? Because a song in your playlist had its licence revoked. Sometimes you'll click to play a playlist and find out it wasn't all downloaded, or some songs didn't download even though it was there yesterday, etc etc. Little things Apple could pop up a notification for.
Finally, it's worth mentioning again just how buggy the app is. You'll find albums with wrong metadata, that get magically updated, album art disappearing,things like that.
The app isn't good but the service is, with a $9.99 per month/ $100 annual subscription, it's a good deal, even if you don't own the songs. Your playlists can be as long as you like and the audio quality is good. As a service, AM is a competitor. As an app, AM is bad.
Deezer is also available for android. Has a similar catalogue to AM and Spotify but a much better app. Sadly, a way , way shorter trial period. I'm giving that a try right now.
Epicmau5time ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:08:35 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
A fellow Barbadian, trying to find a streaming service, using a 3T. I've used all my coincidence points for the year.
But on a more serious note. Spotify needs to come here. I used deezer but it doesn't have the artist/song radio function that Spotify has, or at least I could not find one. That is what made me stop using it. Other than that deezer is fine.
Apple music is closer to Spotify but the app is trash.
Play music isn't bad but the app isn't good.
Something all these services lack is the remote play. It was so easy to be in in bed and change the music on my PC using my phone. I'd sub to Spotify if it came here in a heart beat. For now tho I've gone back to simply pirating music.
carrotstix ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:21:58 on March 25, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Whoa! That's damn cool! Great minds think alike!
I'm surprised you got to use play music and that the app is trash. Since we're not a supported country, Google gets quite restrictive when we use stuff of theirs! But that's a shame that the app sucks.
I'm still debating whether to pay for AM after the trial runs out. The app sucks but it's easier to find music/ stay up to date than piracy. Sadly, with an asking fee of $249 for a $100 iTunes card here and that the current app doesn't work with Bluetooth controls , it's hard to justify wasting that money when I could spend it on a pothole detector or something.
Epicmau5time ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:06:27 on March 25, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Potholes are simply an inconvenience. It's best use just deezer tbh. At 14 BDS a month you can't beat it.
patn8 ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 15:21:08 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Apple Music has an app for android. Check it out for yourself
aittttt ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:15:37 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I've used and paid for all 3 at one point or another. Tbh I like something about each one and end up swapping all the time between them.
Apple music: only has a paid tier. It's not bad. Their algorithm for recommendations is pretty good. Music discovery can be be done by genre and by date. Fucking why that isn't on every service I don't know but it's one of my biggest reasons I go back to am.
GPM: supposedly is getting an update very soon. I like their radio playlists, lots of actually similar songs. Their genre radios aren't as good because they don't seem to be updated as much as spotify. You can upload your own music and stream it which is badass. GPM also gives you YouTube red which skips YouTube ads. Badass.
Spotify: the standby and easiest to recommend. I like their playlists they get updated on occasion. Recommendations and radios are more hit and miss. Maybe they use songs from other people's playlists as recommendations? It's not always great. Has a nice desktop application which I use pretty much daily. I like their UI colors more.
-TheBabadook ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:11:03 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah GPM is tempting that you can upload your own music, IDK you could do that! But I do flat out love how Spotify looks! Do they all have similar content I suppose?!
SemiZeroGravity ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:51:01 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Huge weeb here i choose apple music over Spotify cause they had more anime music entire bands are missing or hard to find on Spotify
And the Radio feature which is basically a curated playlist of good music is something i use on long rides, unlike Spotify's automated radio
sur_surly ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:34:38 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
If you're on android, just go with Play Music. Apple Music is a bigger rival but doesn't mean better.
Todayinmygarden ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:17:10 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
15 bucks gives you unlimited YouTube red Google play music and YouTube music. I think that's a solid deal.
Keavon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:43:42 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
$10. It's $15 for a family plan (up to 6 people).
Todayinmygarden ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:40:01 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Right, well sorry to keep your loved ones in mind
tdrusk ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:57:06 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Spotify or GPM is probably better for Android.
-TheBabadook ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:58:15 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
That's a big one!
tdrusk ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:59:16 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Kind of. You can sync your own music to your device with Spotify and the feature is available with gpm.
NormanQuacks345 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:20:37 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Apple music is pretty good, but it sucks in Android (understandably)
CodeWithClass ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:01:54 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Available in more countries.. That was enough for me
potatas1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:14:16 on March 27, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
i'm using apple music on android now because spotify isn't available in my country yet. their app is terrible. slow responsiveness and all but 30rupees (around 50 cents) isn't a bad deal so..
ninakondza ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 04:38:55 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I did the three month Apple Music free trial. I hated it so much that I just deleted the entire app before the trial even ended and went back to my free version or Spotify
urbn ยท 170 points ยท Posted at 15:23:35 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
So almost 50% of their customers are premium users and less than 2% of their users use ad blocking capabilities.
Considering the market and technology that sounds like some pretty damn good numbers. Complaining about it will only hurt them.
jetglo ยท 43 points ยท Posted at 18:03:14 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You're 100% right, but they've just had to come out and give their pitch to potential investors ahead of a big IPO - and part of the pitch is actually 'We see big value in free users just as much as paid' - if they didn't make such a big thing out of this, it'd be seen as a threat to the business model and putting off potential investors. It's a PR activity.
therealdrg ยท 25 points ยท Posted at 18:15:42 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Having complained about it, now a lot more people are aware that you can actually do it.
zue3 ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 21:20:20 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yep, that and Vance are things I never knew about. This thread has been very useful.
Amogh24 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:10:55 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yup. I never knew Spotify could be hacked like that till they themselves started talking about it
stackinpointers ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:07:43 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not sure why that makes it OK? These businesses operate with a really tight margin. For evert 25 people that pay, 1 will get the same thing for free. That's not nearly as trivial as you want to make it out to be.
morcerfel ยท 1560 points ยท Posted at 14:06:37 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I feel people need no justification to block ads - it's my phone and I can choose what goes in and out of it, and if I don't want ads, so be it. It's also spotify's right to deny access to people who block ads, and if they want to, so be it. Everyone should stop feeling etitled to this. It's their app and my phone, and if they want to prohibit my access based on stopping ads, they have every right. If I want to block ads, I have every right. Peace out yo.
linuxwes ยท 29 points ยท Posted at 18:35:40 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I've never understood why these companies engineer their delivery service so their revenue model is dependent on the client. How hard would it be to make the server force sending you an ad before it will send you another song? Hulu does this, even if you block the ad you're going to wait for it to finish. Pandora (and I guess Spotify based on this thread) put the logic in the client and then act surprised that people hack it.
[deleted] ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 20:20:13 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Rule 1: never trust the client
iphone6sthrowaway ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 08:11:45 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Thereโs a theory around that Microsoft intentionally doesnโt enforce Windows licensing much (for home users specially) because itโs not in their interest to lose users, even if they donโt pay, in order to keep alternatives (e.g. desktop Linux) underdeveloped. The pirates donโt pay, but they help with the network effect.
Makes me wonder if itโs the same case with a Spotify. A pirate doesnโt pay, but maybe some will recommend Spotify to his boyfriend who has no idea what an APK is, and thus help Spotify anyway, even if using the pirated version is a very slight annoyance.
Queen_Jezza ยท 279 points ยท Posted at 14:46:55 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
exactly. the internet is "pull", not "push". the user decides whether ads show on their device, and the provider can decide whether to block users who block ads. but overwhelmingly, websites and services have decided that doing that is bad for business.
sur_surly ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 16:28:31 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Technically our smart phones are a mix of push/pull with the internet.
JarnabyBones ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 19:34:40 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Our smartphones facilitate and enable data mining. Our smartphone app stores amplify the rewards for apps that behave this way.
I'm far less trustful of modern smartphones and keep finding myself rolling back to slightly older tech that doesn't do mining.
Lt_Riza_Hawkeye ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:26:53 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You own the phone. You can remove any "push" functionality you want at your own disgression.
sur_surly ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 23:44:29 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Pretty much all of the push functionality is wrapped in Google Play Services. You can rip it out, and turn your phone into a pretty brick, sure.
But yes, you can remove all the third party software, but then why have it.
lordofmmo ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:55:12 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Android phones are completely usable without play services.
DragonTamerMCT ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:21:22 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Push is great, without push half of your messaging apps and such wouldnโt work.
Or do you really want your messaging apps to start using massive amounts of data checking for new messages every few milliseconds?
I get your point, but a large part of the internet is push and itโs not inherently bad.
Queen_Jezza ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:28:50 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
but spotify is not push. websites are not push. the vast majority of content, is not push.
obvilious ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:06:47 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The entire "I can therefore I shall" argument seems weak to me. If you don't like the ads, why not go to a different website?
Queen_Jezza ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 22:13:29 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
there really aren't very many sites out there that don't have ads
obvilious ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:44:20 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, the rest often ask you to pay. Or have shit content. Maybe you can't have everything delivered to you for free.
Queen_Jezza ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:49:29 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
maybe i can
IDCimSTRONGERtnUinRL ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:48:51 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Probably because those people that get blocked immediately go online and cry foul stating that they've never done anything wrong.
ASAP_Rambo ยท 45 points ยท Posted at 14:24:55 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Peace
TeopEvol ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 14:50:07 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
in the Middle East
SnipingNinja ยท 47 points ยท Posted at 15:01:12 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
That was so monk like a reaction that I felt peaceful from just reading it, or it maybe the weed, but I like the first theory.
sphericalhorse ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 15:22:10 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
lol at 11am? or are you in a different part of the world? I wish I could smoke in the morning but I wouldn't be able to focus on my work at all
SnipingNinja ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 16:32:43 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Different part of the world, 10 pm now.
cubanohermano ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:36:23 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Its different for everyone, I personally am used to it
InertState ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 17:21:09 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I want all my content when I want it, I don't want to pay for it, and I sure as fuck don't want to spend five to thirty seconds out of every couple of minutes just letting an ad run. Why should I be expected to contribute in any way to the content I demand. It's not a real job making it, despite me treating it just like any other real content I consume. /s
LeafWolf ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 17:37:04 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
So you don't believe artists should get the money they deserve for their music? Honestly your argument just sounds entitled. Spotify provides a paid service and if you want to access it without ads its as simple as paying $10 a month. It's not a steep price for such an extensive library.
InertState ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 17:40:55 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I forgot the /s. I happily pay for Spotify, the service is amazing.
LeafWolf ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 18:23:30 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
My bad then, forgive me.
Rahmin_Noodle_Queen ยท 149 points ยท Posted at 16:30:20 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
If you don't want ads, the solution isn't to continue to use their service and block the ads, it's to not use the service or pay the 10 dollars. How do people think it's their right to have the benefits of a paid subscription without paying for it lmao
Garden_Of_My_Mind ยท 46 points ยท Posted at 18:08:15 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I think thatโs their point.
The app has every right to block those people.
intripletime ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 18:28:59 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Pay for premium service, get it free with ads, or gamble with a ban risk. Nuance established, let's all move on now and stop arguing lol
Eight_square ยท 82 points ยท Posted at 16:51:08 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
same as those who browse Reddit with adblock and not paying Reddit gold.
Subrotow ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 19:04:29 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
There are websites I whitelist. Reddit is one of them.
prollyshmokin ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 17:43:55 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Those fucking monsters!
chakrablocker ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 17:50:42 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The users aren't the customers
tregorman ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 18:35:48 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Then the same could be said for Spotify
dedservice ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 19:29:36 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
except they literally are
tregorman ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 19:35:04 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The same is true for Reddit.
milou2 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:08:47 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
If it's free, you're the product.
tregorman ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 01:31:11 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Right, so it applies to both Reddit and Spotify.
Poppin__Fresh ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 02:12:31 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I used to allow ads on reddit, but I kept getting "bacon narhwal" and "here's a silly moose" cringey bullshit.
NejyNoah ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 18:57:12 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Not really in the mood to support censorship right now..
[deleted] ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 17:44:07 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Because i do and I can.
Rahmin_Noodle_Queen ยท -12 points ยท Posted at 17:59:45 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, stealing is a thing but don't be surprised when measures are put in to try to prevent that lol
[deleted] ยท 24 points ยท Posted at 18:01:09 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
That's literally what the above guy said, which I agree with
[deleted] ยท 54 points ยท Posted at 16:47:13 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
because they're entitled as fuck
AATroop ยท 43 points ยท Posted at 17:45:45 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Seriously, this thread is awful. Get over yourselves people.
OhHeyDont ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 00:10:20 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Mighty fine high horse ya got there. How about you get over yourself? Rules are made to be broken.
AATroop ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 01:27:54 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yep, still applies.
[deleted] ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 22:36:35 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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AATroop ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 22:56:11 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You completely misread this comment chain.
fellatious_argument ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 18:41:51 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Sort of like a corporation that thinks its entitled to make money off other people's music.
https://www.theverge.com/2015/12/7/9861372/spotify-year-in-review-artist-payment-royalties
alex891011 ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 19:02:49 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Artists have every right not to put their music on Spotify if they feel like theyโre being taken advantage of....
fellatious_argument ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 19:09:45 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe if they are a heavy hitter like Taylor Swift but smaller artists have no leverage to make moves like that.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:44:15 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I'm a musician, and I never said I liked spotify's practices, but the fact of the matter is spotify/Apple music/etc. are here to stay. artists get more money from paid subscription streams, but I get that some people are struggling, so that $10 can't happen. the LEAST you can do is listen with ads. it supports the company that supports the artists. people think they're entitled to free music and it pisses me off.
fellatious_argument ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 22:01:53 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
We live in an age where it has never been easier for musicians to sell their music directly to their fans but that doesn't happen because a few corporations have a stranglehold on the industry. Instead of blaming them you get all emotional about people blocking obnoxious ads. You know people made the same arguments when cassette tapes came out. They said it would kill the music industry because people could just record and distribute their own albums. Spoiler alert: it did not kill the music industry. No artist is going to starve because I run adblock. If someone listens to your music for free you should be grateful that someone is listening to your music at all. If you are just concerned with charging people for your songs then you should chose a new line of work.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:28:36 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
when did i allude to the fact that artists being able to sell their own music would kill the music industry. that doesn't make any sense at all
berock212 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 19:59:28 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I'm entitled to decide what content my phone pulls in yes.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 21:45:27 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
so don't get the app that has the ads or pay for the service to support the developers and artists? I don't understand the thought process here.
berock212 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:54:18 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Or I could just continue to block ads. It's my device, since I have complete control over my device I'm entitled to decide whether I download ads from a company or whether I block them.
LeafWolf ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:04:58 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
That company is providing a service which provides a huge music library. Buying a smartphone does not entitle you to get free access to their premium service in any way.
berock212 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:08:36 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
No it doesn't entitle me to free access to their premium service but it does entitle me to refuse to download their ads if I so choose too and then they can decide if they want to continue letting me use their service.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:15:12 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
my brain just exploded, but ok. do you man. do you
berock212 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:20:36 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It's not that complicated, it's my computer I'm entitled to filter whichever content I want.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:32:14 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
it's not that complicated. yes, you're using your computer. but it's not your service..... they're providing the service to you
berock212 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 23:02:53 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah that's why they're allowed to cut off that service to me whenever they want.
hanexar ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:33:56 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The corp is offering the service you seek for a premium. If you cheat your way out of it, you are stealing the corp and justifying it with shitty thinking.
I'd be with you if there was no other way to access Spotify without ads. But considering you just refuse to pay for it, you are lying to yourself if you think you are entitled to block the ads.
hanexar ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 13:28:54 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Then don't install the app. It's that simple.
berock212 ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 14:43:52 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Or I could install the app and block ads. It's such a lazy argument to just tell me not to block ads.
hanexar ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:16:10 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
If the provider is offering you an option without ads, for a premium, and you circumvent it, you are stealing said corporation. It's not your right to block ads. You're just a petty thief. Either assume it, or quit doing it. There's no ethical justification.
berock212 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:19:09 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I'm completely fine with being a petty thief.
hanexar ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:28:47 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Good, at least your not an hypocrite.
Legit_a_Mint ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 17:01:51 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You don't seem to understand. They really want it, but they don't want to pay for it.
They have to steal. They have no choice.
prollyshmokin ยท 22 points ยท Posted at 17:43:31 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I don't think that word means what you think it means.
[deleted] ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 17:52:52 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You think it doesnโt cost Spotify anything to licence and stream music to you? Thatโs why they either make you pay a subscription or listen to ads. Theft of service is a thing.
Legit_a_Mint ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 18:59:20 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
steal
stฤl/
verb
To take (another person's property) without permission or legal right and without intending to return it.
prollyshmokin ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 19:43:14 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Exactly.
Taking something implies the original owner no longer has it. I think you're looking for something with the word 'copy' in it.
iwearatophat ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:32:51 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I mean, if making a semantic argument makes you feel better about stealing stuff knock yourself out.
Legit_a_Mint ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:36:04 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Are you a teenager? Because this is how teenagers argue.
Tell it to the judge.
prollyshmokin ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 22:35:49 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
No.
What judge?
Are people being taken to court for this bs?
The_Sensation ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:12:59 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It is an undeniable fact that if you use Spotify you are taking up their own server space to provide you with music. If you do not listen to ads you taking their server space up without any form of payment. That's pretty much stealing.
I use Spotify without ads but I am self aware in the fact that it is essentially theft.
triangleman83 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:01:54 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Ok for one thing it's not server space it's bandwidth and it is not going to impact them as bandwidth is highly variable.
If you record an hour of radio and then fast forward through all the commercials when you listen to it later, how much money do you reckon you owe the radio station?
The_Sensation ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:15:52 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Well for one, the radio is already been paid for with ads, Spotify is getting money from those ads you recorded. You might fast forward them but they still got their money. So it doesn't matter what you do later because it has been counted that you listened to the ad.
Also I used server space as an all inclusive term because there is a lot more than just bandwidth being used. They still need to store your information somewhere and they still need to process your requests. Granted they maybe small but having 2 million people leech on your servers will add up quickly. Do you really think that when they create playlists for you based on your recent history of music listened to that it doesn't take time and money to process?
Rahmin_Noodle_Queen ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:02:31 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It's using a service for free that is specifically given to people in exchange for payment. Just because it isn't physical media doesn't mean it's not stealing.
linuxwes ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 18:41:49 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Actually Spotify's service is specifically giving it to people who didn't pay. There is a real difference between hacking into someone's server and taking something they didn't offer you access to, and sending them a correctly formed request for something and having them give it to you. Someone using a hacked client just sent a request for a song, and Spotify gave it to them.
Legit_a_Mint ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 19:03:12 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It's like kiting a check. You just change the "pay to:" portion to say your name, send it to a bank as a request for cash and have the bank give the money to you. How could that be stealing? You made your request in the correct form!
linuxwes ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 20:26:45 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Except nothing is being forged. The equivalent to your scenario would be stealing someone's Spotify credentials and using their account, which would be a different thing. My whole gripe with Spotify here is not that I think people should be able to avoid paying, I use and pay for GPM myself and it's well worth it. But I hate when companies put up public servers which serve up content and then act like victims when those servers are used in ways they didn't expect. If you don't want to serve up content to people who didn't pay, then don't give it to them. That's a problem that has been solved. But don't act like a victim because your protocol sucks and you're too lazy to fix it.
Legit_a_Mint ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:39:08 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
A hacked client pretending to be a paying account is no different than a forged check pretending to the payable to the bearer.
Under your theory, shoplifting is okay, because the stores had the audacity to open themselves up to the public with the expectation that the public would pay for their goods rather than just walk out the door with them.
Of_Mango ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:46:23 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
A "hacked client pretending to be a paying account" is not the same thing as blocking ads.
henrykazuka ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:18:51 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
These hacks don't give premium access, you can't download songs or play them on extreme quality.
Legit_a_Mint ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:09:44 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Well then. by all means, help yourself.
Geekv2 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:28:59 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
What do you think it means??
prollyshmokin ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:44:32 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I agree with the definition the OC posted - it means to take something from someone without permission.
Geekv2 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:47:57 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
And so consuming Spotifyโs product, which is music without ads, without paying and without permission is not stealing?
prollyshmokin ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:25:12 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Taking something implies the original owner no longer has it. I think something with the word 'copy' in the definition would be more appropriate.
Geekv2 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:30:19 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
But even taking a copy is wrong. If I took a copy someoneโs work and claimed it as my own, they would still have it but it would no longer hold the same value.
henrykazuka ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:20:19 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Because people take songs from Spotify and act like they wrote it.
Facepalm
Geekv2 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:22:40 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Thatโs not the point. Even without taking credit, itโs still wrong. If I took Googleโs search algorithm and created a search engine โpowered by Google Searchโ then Iโd still be in the wrong.
Itโs still theft.
mickmon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:59:41 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Spotify makes money from artists and does not adequately pay them. They also blast ads at top volumes. If they weren't inadequate in these areas we wouldn't be having this conservation. I'm not advocating stealing the service. I'm clarifying that spotify needs to improve in these areas if they want to be paid more.
[deleted] ยท -7 points ยท Posted at 17:14:14 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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Max_Splooge ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:38:40 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
They did get rid of it I'm pretty sure but in the future use a lowercase r/ in your subreddit link so people can click on it.
Kumbackkid ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:43:47 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Ahh ok my bad. Was on mobile and automatically capitalizes the first letter and didnt think it mattered
JoseJimeniz ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 23:27:11 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It's not their right; nobody think's it's their right.
But it is my ability. I will obtain the content without paying for it.
Rahmin_Noodle_Queen ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:36:16 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
People do act like it's their right. But sure, do it. I don't lose anything. Just don't act so entitled.
Geekv2 ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 18:28:18 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
OPs logic is the same as โIf I donโt like someone, I try to kill them. If they donโt want to die, they run away.โ
Just because you can do something doesnโt mean you should be allowed to. Having to deal with people using Adblock on their service costs Spotify time and effort which could be used for other things. People paying for subscriptions are paying that cost.
SamuraiJakkass86 ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 20:39:26 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Ooh sorry friend, you don't have Reddit Gold active. Why are you even on Reddit?
deltasnow ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 18:23:49 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I don't recall exactly, but don't you agree to terms of service sometime between downloading the app, installing, and using it?
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 15:16:40 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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switchy85 ยท 40 points ยท Posted at 15:48:03 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, no. What Sony did is basically nerve gas an entire country to get one guy that stole a banana. Saying their tactics were anything but pure evil and idiocy is giving them far too much credit. And for all that work it just reinforced in me the desire to steal as much music as possible. Cuz fuck those guys.
[deleted] ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 15:51:04 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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switchy85 ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 16:12:46 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not saying they actually killed people; I was being dramatic for effect. But the fact is Sony infected every single computer with a virus that had one of their rootkit CDs in it. And the reason is a few people made a copy of some of their previous CDs. So, yeah, they nerve gassed every computer because a couple of them stole a banana.
[deleted] ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 16:23:34 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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switchy85 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 17:35:53 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
They literally installed a virus that leaves your system and entire network less secure for a CD, dude. And they did this to every PAYING customer that played one of the discs in their computer. And it was damn near impossible to remove from your computer, too. Stop downplaying what this huge corporation did to it's paying customers. It wasn't even close to making the "houses" more secure like cameras do. It was like breaking out the windows and removing the locks from every house because one person might be hiding some stolen socks.
BassCreat0r ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:08:16 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
If you don't want ads on your phone, find another streaming service.
HonestObjections ยท -7 points ยท Posted at 14:39:12 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
If you use their service, you shouldn't block their ads in the first place. The internet has spoilt us with free stuff, but it needs to be paid for.
Using any service that has ads, without them, is costing them money. It's easy to dismiss this for the larger organisations, but it applies to everyone.
sdvr1 ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 15:15:29 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
So you are saying you don't use any sort of adblock on a browser? You are a much braver person than I.
HonestObjections ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 15:43:17 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Google have recently started blocking invasive ads in Chrome
switchy85 ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 15:48:40 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
So Google is doing the wrong thing here, in your opinion?
HonestObjections ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 15:50:08 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
No, the right thing. The internet is paid for by ads, I'm happy for them to be there if they're not invasive
switchy85 ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 16:14:21 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
But if you go to a website then you're making the choice to see everything they put on there. Same as Spotify with their invasve ads. I believe your exact words were something like, "if you use their service then you shouldn't block their ads in the first place." Maybe I'm just not understanding what you think the difference is other than just liking Spotify?
HonestObjections ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 16:19:14 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It blocks invasive ads only, like pop ups. They will still get income.
switchy85 ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 17:31:49 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
And if they ONLY have invasive ads, like on Spotify? Then they get nothing, right? I see where you're coming from, but I hope you see where I'm coming from too. And honestly, I just don't use Spotify because of their ads and I don't really like the app that much. But I still see where others would feel more inclined to just use the ad supported version if the ads didn't suck so much.
HonestObjections ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:00:42 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Spotify ads are not invasive and if a company has all their ads blocked by browsers, they will know about it and change them.
That's the principle behind blocking only invasive ones; companies will naturally move to more sensible models.
switchy85 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:43:29 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe we have different views on what's invasive, but super loud ads in the middle of quiet music is invasive to me. So if everyone were to block ads on Spotify then they should move to a different ad model right? Oh wait, they just shut down the cracked apps instead. See what I'm saying yet?
sdvr1 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:02:00 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I mean... Firefox, Opera, IE, etc. We don't all want to use Google Chrome. I understand the internet is paid for via advertisements, but the extent of the ads is a little overboard.
HonestObjections ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:58:56 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
That's exactly what Google were trying to change, I'm sure other browsers will follow suit
klesus ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 17:16:27 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Google was not the first
HonestObjections ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:29:14 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Fine, so multiple browsers already do it
sphericalhorse ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 15:26:56 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
you're not required to listen to the ads. just like when i am watching tv and an ad comes on, I can change the channel until it finishes. it's my choice what to watch and what to listen to
HonestObjections ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:56:30 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Sure, feel free to mute it while the ad plays. If the ad plays, then the service is paid for.
If you block it, it isn't.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 19:18:51 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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HonestObjections ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:04:45 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Because a muted ad is paid for, thus you are paying for the service
AwesomePocket ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:21:53 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Because Spotify is not compensated. They lose out when its blocked.
zClarkinator ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:24:13 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
as opposed to being paid money for nothing? you think advertisers should have to pay for fake ad views?
HonestObjections ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:32:02 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
That's between Spotify and those with the ads, it's trivial to get the volume. It's impractical to mute every ad.
You're trying to justify getting a paid for service free, with an adblocker.
It's like excusing shop lifters, saying the shop should hire more security.
AwesomePocket ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:01:15 on March 26, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Advertisers go into their agreements with the knowledge that some of the ad views will be fake. That's taken into account. Its not for nothing, its built in.
a1blank ยท 34 points ยท Posted at 15:04:20 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
On my device, I decide what's allowed. On their service, they decide what's allowed. There's no "you shouldn't do
x" or "they shouldn't doy" about itGibslayer ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 15:36:29 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
If you don't like ads though. Just don't download Spotify. Ads are a part of the service if you don't pay.
I get what you're saying but I think the bar you're placing is in the wrong place. Yes it's your phone but you have chosen to willingly download their app onto it. You are using their service. By downloading the app you're agreeing to be served those ads and if you don't like that then you should keep the ads off of your phone by not downloading Spotify.
a1blank ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:03:03 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
That's why I don't even use spotify and instead pay for a google play music family subscription.
If I were decompiling their app and removing the ad components, then yeah, you're totally right. But if I happen to run adblocking on my device through a VPN or a hosts file edit or something, that's on them to deal with. They could tunnel all their data through an in-app vpn and adblocking wouldn't catch it. Or they could serve ads from the same CDN as their streaming component. Or many other solutions.
But it's my prerogative to chose what network connections my device makes.
Gibslayer ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:07:26 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
From your initial stance I was under the impression you were modifying files to avoid ads on Spotify and streaming services. Wasn't under the impression that you were using and paying for an alternate streaming service.
a1blank ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:18:26 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I think that, for the most part, anyone blocking ads on android is doing so by controlling network requests either by modifying hosts files or by routing all traffic through a VPN app. Browser ad blocks hook into the browser to prevent the browser from making network connections to ad CDNs and sometimes preventing the browser from rendering some parts of the DOM. I think it's pretty rare for people to decompile, modify, and then recompile apps in order to block ads. It would be more likely for people to just write their own apps from scratch (eg Elpis or Pithos or pandora).
AsteriskYoure ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 15:07:49 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You agreed to a legally binding TOS when you created an account
THE_MAGIC_OF_REALITY ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 15:51:41 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The TOS says they can block you for using ad blockers... did you read the original comment?
a1blank ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 15:50:46 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
And what's the penalty for breaking TOS? Oh, that's right, they can ban me. That's them deciding what's allowed.
That aside, adblocking is something I do to my device, not their service. If their app breaks when I do stuff to my phone, that's on them.
xorgol ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 15:22:35 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It's not actually legally binding in my country.
throwaway_redstone ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 15:19:37 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Where in the TOS does it prevent me from blocking ads?
AsteriskYoure ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:24:15 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
section 8
beyhnji ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 15:28:47 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Doesn't breach of service just entitle them to blacklist me? Not send me to jail?
ScruffTheJanitor ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:35:14 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
When did anyone say anything about jail?
switchy85 ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 15:50:28 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Probably the OPs use of "legally binding" is where the jail idea is coming from. Basically TOS is unenforceable, though. Courts have gone through this type of thing before. There's nothing legally binding about them.
throwaway_redstone ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:52:46 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
This applies to hacked apks, not to a modified
/etc/hostsAsteriskYoure ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:08:25 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
still counts as deliberate circumvention
throwaway_redstone ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:22:12 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It might, which is why they have every right to block you from the service if they find you broke the TOS.
Zskrabs24 ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 15:16:40 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Let them sue me then. TOS rarely hold up to scrutiny in litigation.
ScruffTheJanitor ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 15:34:37 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
That's such garbage. If you don't like ads, pay to get rid of them.
But that's a some great mental gymnastics you've got going to convince yourself what your doing is fine.
a1blank ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:59:42 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Personally, I don't even use spotify. I pay for a google music family subscription. But that's besides the point.
If they don't like how a service is being used, then they can ban the user. But I'm going to use my device however I want. They can get their tech to work within that system (their app could stream all its content over a vpn and adblocking wouldn't catch it), they can live with the consequences of users adblocking, or they can ban them.
[deleted] ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 15:17:31 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Bullshit. It's my life and I decide whether I want to be advertised to.
bigwindbigtrees ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:44:25 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah and they can decide to ban you from stealing from artists and them. Why don't you support the artists you listen to? Are they supposed to create and deliver media to you for no cost? Why do you deserve their work for free?
HonestObjections ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:42:49 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Fine, but you should not use it if you don't want to see the adverts. It's less damaging to just pirate the content.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:34:44 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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theKalash ยท 30 points ยท Posted at 14:46:18 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Because you can't "solve" it. All you can do is get into an arms race with adblock developers.
legone ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 15:27:04 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
uBlock Origin
NotATroll4 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:27:02 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Huey Freeman is that you?
stackinpointers ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:04:09 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I mean, kind of. You can't use that an as excuse for seeking out an illegal binary. You can't run any software you want on your phone; there still are things that don't fly in the digital space.
ThereIsSoMuchMore ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:02:35 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I think it could be perceived like an agreement between you two. They supply the music, and you pay by watching the ads. This is how they make money to support the platform. It's somewhat similar to your job not giving you money, and you can just leave if you want to. If everyone would start doing this, it would end up a mess.
Moss_Piglet_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:08:56 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
How do you block ads on mobile?
iDidntReadOP ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 15:29:29 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Except your entire post comes off as entitled. It's your phone so you decide what comes out of it? You are using their service, so you pay for it one way or the other. People who think everything should be free no matter what are delusional. It costs money to make music and it costs money to distribute music. Anything else is just piracy and self entitled people who don't understand how a business makes money.
Edit: people expecting millions of songs to stream for free are downvoting without offering a counter argument. No surprise there.
morcerfel ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:03:54 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
In an ideal world, yes, you are right. However, people will keep blocking ads no matter what, it's even legal - as it should be IMO. They should create better ads so that people wouldn't be annoyed by them. It's literally the only choice (or make it subscription only, obviously, but then we would have this discussion).
iDidntReadOP ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:37:00 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The reason why people block ads online is because they contain malware or are overly intrusive, such as 3 pop up ads immediately upon entering a site. Spotify is a service. They pay for music licensing, and in return as you to listen to a short audio ad occasionally or pay for a (cheap) premium subscription. But people on here are saying how evil that is and it should be completely free. It's an asinine, entitled, narrow minded way of looking at it. If people hate ads so much, I challenge them to create a completely free, ad free, music streaming service with all of the biggest names in music. They would run out of money before reading Drake's contract.
morcerfel ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:51:15 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
No one is saying (at least not me) that it should be free. All I'm saying I have the right to block ads and they have the right to prohibit my use of the app. If spotify wants to remove the free, ad-based option, they have every right to do so. If /u/insertnamehere wants to block ads, they have every right to do so.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:14:33 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I feel ya. The worse someone should feel is "well this sucks". But if you don't find it worth the money to begin with, are you really missing out? Radio still exsists, and it's free because of the ads. The company has to stay afloat somehow.
utybo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:21:40 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Then, just pay for Spotify or don't use it at all. The premium version is here for a reason. Everything has a price, for the free version it's ads and limitations.
ScruffTheJanitor ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 15:33:17 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
If you don't want ads there's an option to stop them. Pay from premium, your excuse is just absolute bullshit.
Eight_square ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 16:52:37 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Did you block Reddit ads? You have an option to pay Reddit gold to stop Reddit ads but I suspect most of us don't.
ScruffTheJanitor ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:28:58 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Nope.
setmehigh ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:19:33 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
If Spotify cared, they could stop this instantly, but they'd lose out on a lot of users. So they decide it's worth it to keep serving music to people
What's so hard to understand about that?
ScruffTheJanitor ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:30:08 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Could they? Says who?
naz2292 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:39:31 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Sure you can do whatever you want. No one is saying otherwise. But that doesn't mean other people shouldn't or can't judge you for basically stealing.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:43:32 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Amen
Kinglink ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:43:24 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
If everyone was like you, the world would be a better place.
iwearatophat ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:39:41 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Not really.
Shadowy13 ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 17:21:43 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
This is the fairest it gets
[deleted] ยท -17 points ยท Posted at 14:53:08 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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bender1800 ยท 98 points ยท Posted at 15:16:08 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I used a vpn and an adblocker to access the web version of spotify long before it launched in Canada. The day it launched in Canada I was paying subscriber. If some of those users are like me listening from an unsupported country spotify may be shooting themselves in the foot long term.
Ialsofuckedyourdad ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 16:48:35 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
i did a similar thing. i used a modded apk for a few months to see if it was worth paying for the service. i liked it enough that i am now a paying customer.
thats how i do a lot of things, pirate the fulll version to see if its worth paying for thenn buy it, like textra, reddit sync, etc. i use the apps so muchi might as well give the creator a few bucks
_tsuujin ยท 115 points ยท Posted at 17:23:11 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The comments here are a bit silly; by which I mean hyperbolic and overly emotional. I'll prefix this by stating that I do not use Spotify, but I do pay for both Google play music and Apple music in my household, so cool your jets you're just a criminal too that's why you say this people.
Spotify ads are a dark pattern, meaning that instead of attempting to encourage you to sign up for premium by providing value in a positive way--encouraging you to sign up because it will make your life better in some way--they instead encourage you to sign up by annoying you and diminishing your experience to the point where you pay to get them to stop.
If people were blocking ads just because they don't want Spotify to make money, that would be one thing and I'd be behind calling these users assholes. However, the reality is that many people block ads because they're trying to simply get to a normal state of healthy use, and are angry with the provider for being manipulative instead of helpful.
This is not a problem with just Spotify, this is a problem with the industry of online services and is compounded in severity because people are already annoyed by the practice elsewhere. The internet has a long history of abusive advertising, and by contributing to it in their small way Spotify is seeing the knee-jerk reaction of fed up people.
The problem here isn't that people want to steal; the problem is that content producers have, and continue to maintain, an unhealthy relationship with their consumers. We need less talk about how people who block ads are bad people, and more talk about finding a mutually beneficial solution.
YouClaimToBeAPlayer ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 18:20:52 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The reason they do that, my guess, is because it works better.
Fridgiee ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 23:15:51 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
No, if it worked better there would not be this article. It is cheaper though.
Yamatjac ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:59:03 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Their goal is to have a lot of paying users. They don't care about the number of users that have adblock.
Fridgiee ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:28:09 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, and having a healthy relationship with your customers helps that much more than piling bad, loud and obnoxious ads up on you until you pay. Which is, again, why we have this article complaining that people use Spotify w/o ads and payment..
Yamatjac ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:31:35 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
This article complaining that people use Spotify w/o ads and payment that actually says barely anybody uses spotify w/o ads and over half of their users use premium.
You're not making any sense. Are we talking about the same article here?
Fridgiee ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:41:53 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
2 million users are barely anything? mkay whatever man
Yamatjac ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 09:45:07 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
2 million out of 150 million? Yea. Basically nothing.
If I give you 150 pieces of popcorn and then take back 2 are you gonna be like "WTF THAT WAS SO MUCH OF MY POPCORN!@!!@!", really?
Fridgiee ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:55:00 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
2 million Spotify subscribers means $20M. You can keep your popcorn analogy.
Yamatjac ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 09:57:55 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
2 million spotify subscribers that AREN'T subscribers and NEVER would be subscribers.
intripletime ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 18:30:49 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Been subjected to annoying bullshit since I was a kid watching regular TV. Ads have always sucked so much ass and unfortunately I don't think that's going to change. I wish they would.
jordn1751 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 22:30:35 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
This exactly. Ive been using soundcloud recently and i haven't felt bothered by the platform but i still would consider buying their paid subscription for extra things that I would like to have.
The thing is soundcloud isn't constantly badgering making the app useless because i dont give them $10/month
81olives ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 18:46:59 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Ehh, Im not so sure its about the ads. I mean, sure it's part of it, but I'd like to think that people use a cracked apk more because of its shuffle only, limited skips restrictions. At least for me it is. I find that more annoying than the ads. But other than that, I totally agree with you.
Picketfencesareup ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:17:53 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
If they changed that then I'd probably use the normal app
Ultiran ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 17:36:25 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The voice of reason
rman320 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 18:49:18 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Spotify is running a business. The argument that running only positive ads is more beneficial because they're less antagonistic doesn't make sense because ads will always disrupt the listening experience in some ways. Even if Spotify did what you suggest people will still block ads because they don't want to listen to them at all. The only valid choices then are to deal with the ads, buy the full service or not use the service at all. Using a third party app to circumvent ads is stealing and if that gets shut down the users of it have no right to complain.
noob_said ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:02:49 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Agree. We are the ones stealing and we are the ones complaining that they are being unfair ๐ If we take this exact same scenario in real life and assume spotify to be a music store with CD's it would be clear very quick who is wrong here. Surprise surprise.. It's us who are stealing.
Yamatjac ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:10:40 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Except, no, not at all. You can't compare listening to ad-free music for free to literally stealing CDs.
It'd be more like sneaking into a public park without paying. Nuisance? Sure. Are you stealing the fucking park? No.
Ad-block isn't stealing music, it's just blocking ads. It doesn't harm the artists AT ALL, and at the absolute worst it ever so slightly impacts Spotify's server costs - and if about 1.5% of their users blocking ads causes them to go bankrupt then they have bigger problems than people blocking ads.
noob_said ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 09:55:05 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yes what you are doing is using the product for free which would otherwise be paid for. The analogy I can find is you go to the CD store, listen the CD's all day everyday without paying for it. Technically/legally not stealing but still a shitty thing to do. Borderline criminal activity. I do it though. But it still doesn't make it right. Ads is how spotify pays the artists.
Yamatjac ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:57:26 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Except not, because by going to the CD store and listening to the CDs all day you're preventing other people from using those CDs/CD players.
This is a service, not a product. You can not steal it. There's nothing to steal.
noob_said ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 10:54:51 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
They want us to pay whether through subscription or ads. How can you not see that...Service? Ok..take the analogy of massage parlour then. You going there, getting free massage all day without paying workers (artists) or the mall (spotify) a dime.... Is thay fair?
Yamatjac ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 10:56:37 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
No. But by listening to songs, you aren't using up a person's time. Nobody's sitting there playing the fucking song while you listen to it.
And it still wouldn't be stealing the massage.
henrykazuka ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:57:31 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Reminds me of the YouTube Red situation.
You used to be able to download alternative YouTube apps that allowed background play. My favorite was Viral, it had video download and window mode.
But since background play became a premium feature of YouTube Red, they changed the API and killed most alternative apps.
Phones are pocket computers, but you can't multitask with online videos because someone realized they could make money out of it.
The same can be said about Spotify's forced shuffle. You can listen to any song you want as long as you listen to ads... unless you are using a pocket computer. If you use that specific platform, fuck you, we are gimping the app on purpose until you pay.
(btw before I get accused of being scum, I do pay for Spotify, but only because downloading music in high quality is a premium feature that makes it worth it IMO.)
mickmon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:08:45 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Paying their content creators might help too.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:51:32 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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jordn1751 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:33:46 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
i think its more about how inconvenient they are making the free service, the platform is great i love it on my computer, a few ads and its whatever. second i use it on my phone there's 10x the ads, i can't pick a song to listen to and you hit shuffle on an artist and it plays artists of completely different genres. Obviously Spotify can do whatever they want but it doesn't mean people can't complain about it just because it's free.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:38:55 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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jordn1751 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:43:49 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I think that honestly comes from the fact they're aren't very many good platforms, and it would be difficult to have many. Spotify is easily the best one out there but i recently stopping paying for premium (forgot to buy a code, but thats besides the point) and I had not realise just how bad it is
[deleted] ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 18:05:01 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Why isn't the site loading for me? I want to read the article and I can see that it is loading whenever I refresh but it just shows up as
AppsNewslettersReuters PlusAdvertising GuidelinesCookiesTerms of UsePrivacy All quotes delayed a minimum of 15 minutes. See here for a complete list of exchanges and delays.
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whenever it is done loading on my ipod and in incognito browser anybody got any solutions? Like I know it is there but it simply refuses to pull up the article for me
skanadian ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 19:44:00 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
https://i.imgur.com/WXIK8hF.png
keywords; mirror reuters broken loading
link to the share prospectus; https://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/1639920/000119312518092759/d494294df1a.htm
PointyOintment ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:01:58 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I had problems like that too. At first I saw the article and the super-blurry picture like in /u/skanadian's screenshot, so I unblocked some scripts that looked relevant (i.e. from
reuters.comor whatever) and that resulted in it loading properly and then immediately disappearing. I was left with no article, like you described, so I re-blocked the stuff, reloaded, and continued reading just fine.[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:52:02 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
so you have to actually block scripts in order to read the article? that seems dumb
Wizywig ยท 365 points ยท Posted at 14:08:06 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
2 out of 80 million suppress ads? Fucking seriously? They are reaching for news here.
i4ybrid ยท 252 points ยท Posted at 14:21:41 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
2 million out of 157 million active users. 71 million were paid users.
burnSMACKER ยท 33 points ยท Posted at 14:31:01 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I used to be the .01%
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 16:55:39 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
And assuming every one of those were students, that's $10,000,000
i4ybrid ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 18:35:42 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I know you are trying to be generous, but that makes quite a few assumptions - that every one of those users would have paid if they couldn't remove ads from the service, and that those two million users would have used the platform regularly. There's also no mention of how frequent the 2 million users use the platform. While the article says the 157 million were active.
If I were Spotify, I would have probably quietly gotten rid of those users. I didn't know we could block Spotify ads til this article.
pgetsos ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:51:15 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
But every single song they play though costs spotify money, so even if none of them paid for premium, Spotify would still make money
[deleted] ยท 79 points ยท Posted at 15:05:08 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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themurphman ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:49:49 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Why does an NCAA conference care about Spotify?
kingofthings754 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:35:35 on March 26, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
What?
themurphman ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:30:03 on March 26, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The SEC is an athletic conference in the NCAA.
kingofthings754 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:30:42 on March 26, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
But u know itโs the securities and exchange commission as well right?
themurphman ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:09:10 on March 26, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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PointyOintment ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:51:21 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I clicked through to the SEC filing that's linked in the Reuters article, and it didn't seem to mention users suppressing ads at all.
-TheBabadook ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 14:48:10 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
And that was at the end of December. Since then Spotify sent out warning emails and banned a ton (not all) cracked apps. I guarantee that 2 million is a tiny fraction now. Just saying.
wee_man ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:54:54 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
They're getting ahead of the IPO.
FartingBob ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:03:20 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Every other ad based Web company would kill for such a small percentage of ad blocking users.
discountedeggs ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 15:27:44 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
They gotta pay their bills.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:22:48 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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discountedeggs ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 19:25:46 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Well if you don't pay for their service and block their ads, then it is your problem
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:32:02 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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discountedeggs ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:40:53 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It's the way they monetize free users. If you block the only way they have of paying for your free service, they will eventually have to do something about it. That something is normally detrimental to the average user.
It's like not paying taxes and complaining when the roads turn shitty.
bigsquirrel ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 15:39:58 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Well I think at any business if 3% of your visitors were stealing from you that'd be a pretty big deal.
Uhhbysmal ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:40:21 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
wow we have different definitions of the word "stealing"
edit: I don't really understand what's so controversial about blocking ads... seriously? you guys use no form of ad block while browsing the internet since that'd be "stealing"?
Wizywig ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:58:32 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Okay I have to be a BIT fair. Spotify does have a teeeeeensy cost in bandwidth for my usage if I am stealing and some amount of licensing costs. But I'm pretty sure that every paying customer easily covers the cost of 10 suppressors.
Also their ads are ungodly annoying.
rouing ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:09:28 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Royalties per play? 3 million unpaying customers stealing is NOT INSIGNIFICANT. They will raise prices because of that. If you don't want to pay, don't use the service.
bigsquirrel ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:53:59 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Royalties bro.
rouing ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:46:39 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Spotify pays royalties per play. It's stealing.
Uhhbysmal ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:50:53 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
okay tell me you don't use adblock to browse reddit, youtube, news articles, the rest of the internet...
they pay for their servers and hosting services. you're supposed to get content in exchange for advertisements, but i'm assuming you block them right? how is that not stealing by your definition?
how are you gonna tell me "it's okay to block these ads but it's stealing if you block these ads" give me a break.
rouing ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:54:02 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I unblock where I enjoy the content. My adblock is for the obnoxious websites with autoplaying ads and what not. Your point is moot and your attempt to project is laughable. You are stealing. Theft. You are a theif. Same as jacking a CD from a store. Theft.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:25:01 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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rouing ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:17:49 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Streaming implies autoplaying. Don't grasp at straws. Won't work with me.
Uhhbysmal ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:58:33 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
ohhh so your own definition of stealing falls apart when it's not content you enjoy. my mistake, i thought you were someone with principles.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:06:22 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:11:26 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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Wizywig ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:59:50 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Did you know that if you pay <$10 for anything in a store with a credit card, the store was better off just giving you the thing because they may be LOSING money on the transaction.
bigsquirrel ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:55:15 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
What? So Spotify should just make it free because they might be losing money?
Iohet ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 14:27:05 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Since ad revenue is typically by exposures, 2 million people listening to hours worth of music each adds up to a lot of lost revenue, particularly when paying royalties per play
[deleted] ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 15:41:32 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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ChunkyThePotato ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 15:51:24 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
If they didn't get to listen at all Spotify wouldn't have to pay royalties for them. Spotify is literally losing money with every play.
noreturnnosurrender ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 16:59:56 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
they are actively losing money on each play
Iohet ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 15:45:24 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
No ad play = no revenue
niuguy ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 14:58:38 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
That's not insignificant.
Teali0 ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 16:09:00 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Found the ad suppressor
Wizywig ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:57:01 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I won't hide it. Also I suppressed for about a day then uninstalled. Spotify without premium is junk.
Teali0 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:10:18 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, I have done my fair share of getting things for free from the internet, I was only joking about it because I've done similar things lol. But yeah, Spotify sucks without premium. Luckily, my whole family uses it and the family plan is a great deal. I'd recommend going that route if possible.
grimcognito ยท 62 points ยท Posted at 18:23:14 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Good. Their ads are the worst. There's nothing like listening to chill music late at night with headphones in when suddenly HELLO IT'S AN AD AT 3X THE VOLUME
Old_Toby- ยท 79 points ยท Posted at 14:29:04 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Why is this an /r/android issue?
DaftFunky ยท 63 points ยท Posted at 14:45:33 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Because the only way to get around the ads were modified android apks
MrK_HS ยท 71 points ยท Posted at 14:57:19 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Not true. You can do it in every OS with just a little editing of the hosts file.
Raynd ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 15:14:51 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yep, that's how I get around it
zue3 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:21:25 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Got a guide I can use?
AllPurple ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:42:05 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Is this what you used?
https://scripttiger.github.io/scripts/
Finally found a reason to root my android. Think I'm going to edit the hosts file on my router for now, but it would be nice to not see any ads on android either, when I'm on 4G. Thanks!
PointyOintment ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:53:36 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Don't you need root for that on Android?
You can also just mute the ads on any OS. I expect Spotify wouldn't be as opposed to that approach, because the ads still play and so they still get paid by the advertisers. Spotify actually used to automatically pause if you muted or reduced the volume too much when an ad came on (on macOS at least) but doesn't anymore, which I take to mean that they don't really mindโit would have been more effort than it was worth to continue maintaining the auto-pause code. And you can set up automatic muting when an ad comes on, in various ways (i.e. automation apps).
underd0se ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 20:28:04 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You should visit /r/jailbreak sometime.
passatest ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:07:40 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I have free premium on my iPhone
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:53:31 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Can you teach me your ways?
passatest ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:26:59 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Look up tweakbox on google, has a shit ton of stuff like this
NEeZ44 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 15:48:59 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
can you explain to me how to do this?
DaftFunky ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:41:22 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Well they know if you use a modified apk now so I don't know if you can
KingKoronov ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:54:55 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
instructions found here.
PatrickE ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:44:09 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Sure. Sent you a PM.
Old_Toby- ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:56:03 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I'm sure it's possible on pc too. I know it used to be.
kaekapizza ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:17:09 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
My friend says it's possible.
Meshuggahn ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:31:33 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I get no ads on mobile using a dns blocker. Still use the legit app and get the limit functionality of a free user minus the loud interruptions.
UseCodeRainn ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:40:31 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
*are
UnknowBan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:41:12 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
because they love to complain about stuff, you know. bezzels, jack, android P, and pretty much everything else
dancovich ยท 70 points ยท Posted at 14:50:44 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The time I used Spotify's free plan the ads don't look like radio ads at all, which is what I would expect.
When listening to the radio unless it's on a commercial break the ads aren't intrusive, a quick jingle here and there and that's it. With Spotify sometimes I need to listen to several ads bigger than actual songs!
Also in my area we have radio stations specialized in certain genres of music, so when I listen to a mostly rock and metal station that's the genre I'll mostly listen too. With Spotify it thinks it's a good idea to play the latest Katy Perry hit when I'm trying to listen New Age songs.
I even paid for Spotify for a while and had to go back to Play Music because Spotify sucks at learning what my preferences are. The front page will always try to convince me to listen to the latest hits of whatever genre is popular instead of filtering by what I like. I need to constantly prepare Spotify to play what I like before I enter my car because if I forget the front page is useless to quickly start playing something I'll enjoy.
pod476 ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 17:01:10 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I mean isnโt that true for everyone? The front page is always top chart stuff, music you prefer is in discover weekly or the radio playlists you make yourself.
dancovich ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 17:46:50 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I just opened Play Music and the very second thing that appeared without even scrolling was Little V, a cover artist that does a lot of game music covers that I like. In fact while Play Music does place top charts as the first option it's a button that I need to press to see top chat stuff, allowing my preferences to fit the first screen. Spotify requires either scrolling or navigating to daily mixes for the same thing
pod476 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:53:36 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
My spotify home page starts with made for you and then recently played artists, unless I go to browse itโs all tailored to stuff I generally listen to. What do you mean by spotifyโs home page?
dancovich ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:05:50 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Interesting, for some reason Spotify started me on the Browse page, the Home page itself indeed starts sometimes with recently played sometimes with "Similar to Artist X" which is a little more helpful.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 17:05:10 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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dancovich ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:29:07 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I'm from Brazil.
We do have comercial breaks which are long (and I mean loooong) sections with nothing but commercials - most likely because the usual listener of radio stations are drivers which are already "in the zone" and aren't really listening to what's on the radio - but apart from that many stations here have time slots with 1+ hour of nothing but songs, sometimes separated by a short jingle.
In fact it was common practice in the 90's when K7 tapes where still around to start recording these time slots knowing you would fill a tape with songs.
mickmon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:06:20 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I kept thumbing down a song and it just kept playing in my discover playlist, every second song was the one I told it I didn't like.
Handtuch1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:34:27 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I guess we have different radios in different countries. 10-15min ad / hour here vs 30s on Spotify
dancovich ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:06:23 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It's like I said, we do have sections with long commercials, but we also have time slots with nothing but music. When a radio is on a commercial spree we just change stations.
Of course there are times where no station is focusing on music.
therealdrg ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:13:22 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
THANK YOU for being the only other person on the planet who seems to recognize that this is a problem. Every time I ever bring it up, people tell me it either doesnt happen or that i shouldnt care. The obvious paid insertions spotify does of popular tracks is the most jarring shit ever.
InertState ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:24:12 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
What age is Katy perry from?
dancovich ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:14:56 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I suppose this is a joke and you do know the "New Age" music genre? Some of the know artists are Loreena McKennitt and Enya.
DdCno1 ยท 104 points ยท Posted at 14:04:09 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I stopped using Spotify altogether after hearing the same annoying car ad countless times in a row.
retwep ยท 52 points ยท Posted at 14:51:53 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Holy shit, there's supposed to be actual ads from other companies advertising their shit? Why have I only ever gotten Spotify's own "upgrade to premium" ads and nothing else?
Meshuggahn ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:30:02 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Running any type of ad blocking? If I run it off my Google home (dns blocking on home network) I get nothing but Spotify specific ads.
retwep ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:02:56 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I'm using the uBlock Origin Chrome extension but obviously that can't block ads from other programs. Maybe advertisers in my country simply don't advertise through Spotify.
CosingularHomology ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:42:02 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
If you use Spotify Web version instead of Desktop with that uBlock you will have no ads.
tom808 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:05:39 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Pay for it?
wibblett ยท 22 points ยท Posted at 14:24:34 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You mean spend real money?!
sdvr1 ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 15:48:08 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Or find a free alternative with less intrusive ads?
tom808 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:33:39 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It's not expensive. It's a really good deal. And people still want to rip them off!
Edit: Why downvote? Do you not agree that it's a good deal.
It's like ยฃ5/month as a student over here. ยฃ10 otherwise and ยฃ15/family.
Considering I listen to around 30 hours of music per week that's an amazing price!
anonymous122 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 18:51:06 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
plenty of people would love to give them ad revenue for using the service for free but value their hearing more. the ads spotify plays are unreasonably annoying.
tom808 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:23:13 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I honestly feel they should just give up on the free tier listening then.
I guess if you aren't going to pay for it by now you never are.
ScruffTheJanitor ยท -6 points ยท Posted at 15:24:16 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Pay for it then?
Cerebral-P ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 16:45:49 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
He not one of the people using Adblock, he just stopped using it. Itโs ok if he doesnโt want to pay to use it.
ScruffTheJanitor ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:27:32 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
That's true. But he's stopping using it because if ads, you could continue using it without ads aswell.
[deleted] ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 16:49:16 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not going to pay someone just to make them stop annoying me.
Make me actually like you, by using non-annoying, non-intrusive ads and I'd consider it.
noreturnnosurrender ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 17:02:23 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
lol how fucking entitled do you have to be to think your 10$ are worth that much
eskimoFry ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:37:00 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You are too entitled to your profits then
Mike ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:08:55 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
$10 a month for almost any song you want on demand with unlimited streaming? How is that not one of the best deals ever? One CD used to be $15+
prollyshmokin ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:03:43 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You don't get anything though, if you stop paying you lose everything. It'd be like renting/leasing a car forever instead of just buying one.
Mike ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:07:24 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Technically you donโt lose everything, you just get a free account and have to deal with the pitfalls. If you stopped making your car lease payments they wouldnโt just give you a shittier car.
And I donโt plan on not paying. $120 a year for all the music I want... yeah thatโs a no brainer. I havenโt downloaded an mp3 for years.
eskimoFry ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:38:51 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
On the other hand, i don't need to have an APP to listen to my CD. Just a generic music player and the music file which i can backup anywhere i want.
Mike ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:40:51 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Sure... but how often do you listen to CD's? Most people have their phone's on them 24/7. You still need a device to play the CD, why not use a supercomputer that fits in your pocket?
eskimoFry ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:43:29 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yes i also have something called a microsd card that i can put inside this hole they provided in the phone for the purpose of storing files. I can take the music off the cd and keep it in this microsd card and play it on my phone.
Bonus: quality is constant. No need to turn on internet or depend on the strength of wireless signals.
Hoobie ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:54:27 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Your music selection is then limited to your microsd size. Spotify offers all of its music library to you as long as you have an internet connection. Furthermore, Spotify also offers offline play. You can download to your SD at 320kbps. I can do everything you just mentioned (including burning the CD) in Spotify at a much smoother experience.
eskimoFry ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:51:18 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
That still means the songs are locked in to the application. You won't get the music file (if you can, which you seem to imply, then great i guess.)
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:07:28 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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eskimoFry ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:49:20 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It's one time investment. And i can pass the music on to my children. I suppose this hurts the "potential profits" of the greedy businesses
eskimoFry ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:47:01 on March 29, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I see the value. I have google play music subscription. But I also see the drawbacks since I am using it on a daily basis. You can't play music online if the signal is poor or the data for the month is over. Neither can you seek properly sometimes without wasting data since online music players don't keep the music fully in the local cache.
ScruffTheJanitor ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:28:43 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
That's awful logic.
It's a free service that you're using, they are not annoying you. You are choosing to use that service.
Make you like it? That's what the free trials are for.
GuyBelowMeDoesntLift ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 17:46:48 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Just pay for it lmao do you know how much your parents in 1985 would have killed for the right to hear whatever music they wanted whenever they wanted for $10 a month
30 cents a day
Picketfencesareup ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:16:33 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I don't think any of us have a problem with the ads themselves, it's how fucking loud they are
It's like paying $10 for monthly earplugs
vap0rxt ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 05:58:06 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Let's normalize the volume of ads first then revisit this topic. Because there's nothing worse than listening to relaxing music and BOOM ADVERT @ 150% volume. There's a law against this, too bad it doesn't apply to streaming services.
big_McMac ยท 183 points ยท Posted at 13:43:01 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe don't have the jankiest ads of all time then
najodleglejszy ยท 122 points ยท Posted at 13:45:34 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
https://youtu.be/BvQ571eAOZE
Torus69 ยท 23 points ยท Posted at 14:15:04 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Gus is one of the funniest guys on YouTube.
SuperNanoCat ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 15:10:55 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
My favorite is the one that plays over and over on Google Home where the lady sounds like she's trying to seduce the damn thing.
"Ooookay, Google"
I switched my default back to Play Music after an hour. It's a shame, because Spotify has much better radio playlists.
donprimo ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 19:04:13 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
pay them money and its 100% better
SuperNanoCat ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:44:40 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not going to out of principle. I'm not paying them to stop being obnoxious. I don't want to reward that kind of behavior. I'll just use GPM and listen to the music I already have.
Eupatorus ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:46:39 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
"Hey. I like that one. Just pick a song already."
BWAMAAMAMP BWAMMAMPAMAPAMP!
nitrousconsumed ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:19:25 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Or pay for it?
big_McMac ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 16:48:36 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I had such a bad experience with free Spotify I switched to Apple Music lol
nitrousconsumed ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:49:33 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Fair enough.
ScruffTheJanitor ยท -6 points ยท Posted at 15:23:45 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe use the fucking option they have to get rid of ads
PM_ME_YOUR_DEBUSSY ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 16:32:22 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Why?? There is literally no fucking reason for them to make the ads so damn loud and annoying.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:44:17 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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PM_ME_YOUR_DEBUSSY ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 19:23:32 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
That is just a pure rancid approach to it, there are many services that are just fine with normal, non-obnoxious ads.
Spotify has the right to make profit on their product, but it won't hurt them to tone the ads down a bit.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 19:26:25 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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PM_ME_YOUR_DEBUSSY ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 19:43:25 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
They scream other shit at you and whatever it is the volume is always extremely loud, they don't have to be screaming "eat shit and fucking die!" to be annoying.
Nah, I am not looking for excuses, I am just arguing that it is not a requirement to make the ads really loud and obnoxious. No matter how cheap premium might be. Playing victim is such a crappy accusation to make
Spotify deserves profit for their hard work on the spotify app, but they don't have to do it with obnoxiously loud ads. The cost of premium does not matter.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:59:17 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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PM_ME_YOUR_DEBUSSY ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:22:34 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
This is a lost cause...
The ads are too annoying becuase they are often really loud and obnoxious. Ads are NOT supposed to be annoying, just noticable and having some cunt scream at you while there is just a commotion in the background is not the way to do it.
It is unbearable for most.
So the cost of premium only matters when you are discussing the minority of spotify users who insist on having it free no matter what? Okay I guess...
[deleted] ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 20:29:31 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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PM_ME_YOUR_DEBUSSY ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:37:11 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Nah, they are honestly too loud at times, don't diagnose me for "sensory issues". A lot of people agree so either sensory issues are much more common than I thought or that is just not true.
Sure sure, but I disagree. I think spotify could make the ads a little less obnoxious and not lose much profit. This makes more people less inclined to pirate it and use it until they can psy for it.
Derpetite ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:47:46 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I didn't diagnose you, if you haven't got sensory issues than you just need to get a grip I suppose.
Anyway you're free to disagree and I don't want to argue anymore, it's really petty isn't it really. I keep wanting to buy it but then realise I already have Netflix, now tv, crunchy roll, a book one.. too many subs!
ScruffTheJanitor ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 00:26:36 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
There is. So people pay for premium.
PM_ME_YOUR_DEBUSSY ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 09:26:00 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Nope, they can achieve that same goal with better and less obnoxious ads.
ScruffTheJanitor ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:53:33 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
No you cant. The less annoying the less people would want to get rid of them the less people try premium.
Cybrknight ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 18:11:04 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I remember paying $25-$30AU for a single freaking CD with around 12 songs and here people are complaining about small ads or a $12AU sub for a music service that delivers MILLIONS?!
This much entitlement just makes my head ache.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 20:33:10 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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tomegranate ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 00:45:32 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The answer is entitled children thinking they should get something for free because they want it.
Firkin99 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 09:56:29 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I pay for family for me and my partner and I still have two empty spaces if anyone really wants them? Save you having to fuck around with ads
(both have been taken now! Have fun guys)
K0ENiG ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 10:01:35 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Wow! I would gladly take it if you really mean it
Firkin99 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 10:10:35 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Sure, message me your email address
HumpingJack ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 10:18:58 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Still have another spot?
Firkin99 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:32:43 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yeh you can have the last one, just need your email address
HumpingJack ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 10:44:18 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
sent
Firkin99 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:53:52 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Done!
iJONTY85 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:48:58 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Did you offer this to your friends or other family members?
It's just that I'm never going to be as generous as you, and would've just offered it to people close to me.
Firkin99 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:08:08 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I did, but they all have student or use something else. No one wanted them. I pay for me and my partner, we got family as it costs ยฃ15 for 6 accounts or ยฃ9.99 each, then his brother and my brother also use it. My brother pays for Netflix and I pay for music in return. I had two spare to go and idk
iJONTY85 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:28:32 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You beautiful and generous soul
Firkin99 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:31:53 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Seriously... it is no skin off my back. All I did was send them a email
nBob20 ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 15:32:59 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Switched to GPM due to it being free with YT Red - (I use screen-off mode a lot).
No reason to go back to Spotify.
sur_surly ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 16:31:58 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Waiting for my yearly spotify premium to expire then I'm jumping ship too. Primarily though because Spotify is shit at fixing bugs and their Chromecast support feels very after-thought. Hardly ever works.
buttwipe_Patoose ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:29:59 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I've been using Google Music for a few years now. What I really disliked about them (I cancelled) was their lack of engagement with their user base. Spotify/Tidal/Deezer... they all have artist-created playlists or user-created playlists or personalized playlists... but Google Music is just so sterile. It literally feels like they make zero effort; especially for music discovery. I'm glad they bought-out Songza, but can I actually see any developments occurring from that acquisition? Nope.
I kept on giving them time to fix things, but it seems they're just content with marketing Google Music as some add-on service for subscribing to Youtube Red instead of making it its own, proper standalone service.
[deleted] ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 16:57:05 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
YT Red still isn't in Canada for some reason and GPM itself is IMO worse than Spotify regarding curation and UI, so i can't justify it right now.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:18:57 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:16:32 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I have yet to see the new 3 tab Spotify so I'll reserve judgement but I personally wasn't much of a fan of GPM design (blinding white screen? no thanks).
buttwipe_Patoose ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:34:32 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
GPM is great at UI (they are Google afterall), but they're terrible at promoting music discovery. How can you buy-out Songza & still make music discovery so inefficient??
I switched from GPM after many years to Deezer. Better music discovery, better quality streaming, etc.
I tried Tidal for a while, but they need to pay their software developers better or something, because their [android] apps were absolute garbage (read: unusable).
MyLoveHammer ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 19:28:01 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I pay for spotify premium but I block ads on other services and this is why: until your ads don't charge against my monthly data limit fuck you I'm blocking them. I'm not paying to be advertised to
PointyOintment ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 22:03:05 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
That would violate net neutrality. Fortunately for you, the FCC has gotten rid of net neutrality in the USโฆ
Also, even with no net neutrality, it would mean the service/advertisers would be paying your ISP so you could see/hear the ads. Then they would make no money, and so ads wouldn't be a thing at all, so you'd have to pay for every website and service because they have no ad revenue (in addition to paying extra to your ISP to allow you to visit/use them).
TL;DR: Be glad you pay for the data used by ads.
MyLoveHammer ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 22:09:18 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It's almost like arbitrary data limits are arbitrary because data is a limitless resource and the only restriction on bandwidth is in hyper populated areas where the e tire available frequency spectrum cam be used.
danielsuarez369 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:40:58 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Carriers don't care.. they just want that dough
TheAgera ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:41:31 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Personally, I think paying for premium is well worth it, besides the ad-free listening.
tmart016 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 19:56:52 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I feel like this is not the thing you want to tell people before you make your company public.
origamix2 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 21:28:49 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I don't understand why people don't just pay for the premium service? I love music and value it enough to pay a nominal fee to listen to whatever I want whenever I want. And I've never had problems with premium. Sure beats buying CDs, which is what I used to do. Some things in life are worth paying five to ten bucks a month for.
Reddituser703 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 02:44:07 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Lots of freeloaders
ItsLikeHearthstone ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 21:36:14 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Holy shit, its ten dollars. If ANYTHING happens to my Spotify because of you cheap assholes, there will be hell to pay.
Chasedabigbase ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 08:29:50 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
2.50 for me, pirates better not ruin this amazing deal
downztiger ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:44:49 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Spotify has yet to turn profit. If they fold its because of their own business model. Not to mention them getting sued for 1.6 billion for using copyrighted material without licensing or compensation to artists.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-spotify-lawsuit/spotify-hit-with-1-6-billion-copyright-lawsuit-idUSKBN1ER1RX
unifutomaki ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:53:37 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You can't just blame a company's unprofitability and massive losses on this single factor of bad actors.
FlareHeart ยท 25 points ยท Posted at 14:46:19 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I pay for my MP3s from sites like Amazon, Bandcamp and CDBaby. I then load them into my Plex (for which I have a lifetime Plex Pass membership) and tada! Ad-Free music available wherever I am, and still legit. May have cost me more at first for the Plex Pass Lifetime, and the initial MP3 purchase, but considering how rarely I add to my library it is cheaper for me in the long run.
interstate-15 ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 15:50:11 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Sounds like a lot of work, seems easier to upload them to Google music
shadesofglue ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 15:54:23 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Spotify could end being cheaper, depends on how much music you buy monthly. Also Spotify has machine learning and made me discover so many new artists and even whole genres.
interstate-15 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:27:19 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I don't buy music anymore, I love the subscription service for access to entire catalogs.
FlareHeart ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:22:34 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Spotify is definitely not cheaper for me. I only buy maybe 2-3 albums a year.
prollyshmokin ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 19:26:52 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
But if you stop paying at any point from now until the end of your life, you will lose it all and have zero music. Also, afaik, if they lose a license to a certain artist/band you like, it'll disappear and be gone forever.
FlareHeart ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:24:02 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Not that much actually. Plex is remarkably easy to setup initially. Drop my files into the designated folder and Plex can be set to pick them up and add them to my library automatically. It's amazingly simple and lets me have my own private stash of music with no interference or commercials.
interstate-15 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:26:24 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Oh trust me, I love Plex. I'm a lifetime member myself, I use it for videos, etc. I run it on a unraid server and use it with my Nvidia shield, it works amazing! I've just never cared for their music portions.
FlareHeart ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:30:10 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Fair enough. I just like it better than Google Music for ease of navigation and a less cluttered app.
spyderman4g63 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:26:28 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
My entire reason for switching spotify (I tried google music) is that I don't want to manage an mp3 collection anymore. Google music always replaced my explicit songs with edited versions.
interstate-15 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:25:18 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Hmm, never realized that Google did that, the songs I listen to on Google music have bad words in it. Is there some where I can read about this
eskimoFry ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:35:06 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Sometimes the pleasure is derived from the work. Also makes the reward more sweet.
interstate-15 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:24:28 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Very true! I love Plex alot, just not for music so much.
skomes99 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:53:05 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
That might be cheaper in the long run but one of the benefits of Spotify is music discovery (which also increases the amount of music you listen to which makes a subscription model more valuable)
FlareHeart ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 16:22:53 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
And for users that value that, that's fantastic. But I'm more of a "I want this specific album only" kind of music listener. So Spotify is a bit much for me.
cheekylilbugger ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:54:45 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Even better... use Subsonic.
FlareHeart ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:18:55 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I had SubSonic for a long time (I bought the license back when it was just a one-time fee). Java based, finicky thing it was. Plex is better for me.
cheekylilbugger ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:27:15 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Its much improved since way back then. no issues at all for me.
FlareHeart ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:36:19 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It did improve over the time I was using it, but it was just missing a few features for me. Plex and its cross-platform compatibility is huge for me. Roku, PlayStations, Android, Web, etc. Plus the sharing features, the auto-tagging. All of it is just a bit more seamless in Plex for me.
cheekylilbugger ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:46:37 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Subsonic has all that and then some. I encourage you to check it out again.
FlareHeart ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:55:19 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Good to know. I think I even still have my old licensing info kicking around in my email.
cheekylilbugger ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:06:05 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Cool. The (one-time-fee) lifetime subscription is awesome.
sur_surly ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 16:30:45 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
What year is it?!
FlareHeart ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:59:49 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It's the year where I can have my entire music library streamed to me wherever I am, ad-free, with no monthly subscription.
bearvsshaan ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 16:37:21 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Spotify Premium is amazing. It's not about getting rid of ads (for me at least) - it's about music discovery, discovery weekly, collaborative playlists, etc.
I love Spotify. I pay $5 a month due to student pricing (thank you grad school email address), but I'd pay up to $15 a month for it, maybe even $20. I love music, I'm a musician, it's indispensable to me, and it knows my taste in music better than many of my friends.
EDIT: I may get Youtube Red however to supplement it, as there are deep cuts in jazz and house/techno that simply are not on Spotify and likely never will be.
scottishhusky ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:08:55 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Same except the Youtube Red thing as it's not available in the UK.
MMag05 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:35:48 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I'm with you. In the my CD collection days I'd easily drop $15 for a CD and most months bought around 10. I ended with somewhere around 800 CD by the time I was 20. Then the digital hit and I started pirating. I was so glad to be able to pay for a service like Spotify when they came around. It's blows my mind that for the price of one CD I can have all my household on one plan and have access to every CD and millions more that I accumalted when I was younger. I even pay iTunes Music and Youtube Red for some of the exclusives they have. So for close to the price of 3 CDs my entire family gets millions of songs interuption free. Plus, once you tailor the apps by liking songs the music discovery part is amazing.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:00:42 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
This is basically the only reason why I use GPM over spotify. GPM lets you upload your own music so I can get my weird ass vapourwave, low fi hip hop or Tool on there.
bearvsshaan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:40:13 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
yeah, i truly do wish spotify had that capability
Dmasik ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:48:17 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I literally just play at most 20 of the same songs and nothing else. Paying 10 euro a month or 120euro a year for that is so not worth it for me
bearvsshaan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:39:26 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
sucks to not like music
Chasedabigbase ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:27:25 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
$2.50 a month for me is honestly one of the greatest deals available for any means entertainment media. The return on investment is bonkers even if you're just a casual music listener given all those features you mentioned and the insane catalog available. Pretty much any artist I can think of where as finding movies / tv is fractured as hell service wise.
Movie equivalent is moviepass for me. I've seen about 40 movies so far this year for 90 with 6 months to go, that would've cost me around 400-500 regularly.
the-salty-spitton ยท 57 points ยท Posted at 14:43:48 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I use a pirated version of the app that allows me to pick the songs I want when I want on my phone and use the normal version with ads on my laptop because it lets me pick the songs I want to listen just like the pirated version on my phone. If they changed the phone app so that you could pick your songs just like the laptop version I think theyโd have a lot less people listing through pirated apps.
persoyal ยท 30 points ยท Posted at 15:06:21 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Even the tablet version allows this, the free phone app is miles behind the other available versions of spotify
lordboos ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 15:06:49 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
+1. Sad thing is that tablet version of the app supports it in the free version.
DeadlyLazer ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:33:49 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Does your version of the apk still work? Mine stopped working and it wouldn't let me sign in so I was forced to get the regular app. I don't mind ads as much as I mind not being able to pick the songs! I mean, why can I do the same thing on desktop but not on my phone? Also, when I try to play a playlist, it gives me "suggested songs" that I don't want to listen to. Let me listen to what I want, not what you force me. End rant.
I want to know how your APK still works.
Solidcancer07 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 19:12:37 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Just in case you missed it over the last couple of weeks Spotify has been cracking down on all cracked apk's and blocking them. They also sent emails to all users found using such apps, warning that continued such use will result in an account ban.
BlackVultureGroup ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:47:34 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Oh no. I don't want to lose my free account.
autowolf ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:24:42 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Lol
the-salty-spitton ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 17:03:50 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I use AppValley. Get on your browser on you phone and search for AppVallyLink and it should be the first or second website. Download that, go into your sittings and make sure itโs a trusted app. Then go onto the AppValley app and download Spotify++ Eventually the app will become corrupted so you just delete everything and do it all again!
Brooklynspartan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:38:38 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Isn't this iOS?
PureMichiganChip ยท -6 points ยท Posted at 17:24:33 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You could just pay for Spotify...
TheLiberalHunter ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:11:41 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Nah
reincarN8ed ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 19:13:36 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I believe that Spotify purposefully selects the most annoying and grating ear-rape ads in order to push people to buy Spotify Premium just to get away from those God-awful ads.
Townsend7 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 19:17:48 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
That's called marketing, right?
Helacaster ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 23:54:30 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Just pay for spotify you shit-dicks! It's a good service and no you don't deserve to get it for free.
RedSocks ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:07:16 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
"shit-dicks" lol
Holein5 ยท 30 points ยท Posted at 14:43:08 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
My opinion has always been that if you enjoy a particular service, band, etc., pay a little for it to support it. I pay for Google Play Music, $8/month (which is NOTHING), and I get YouTube Red which gives me additional content and supports my Youtube creators, even with Adblock/Ublock turned on. People need to stop being stingy and start supporting creators (Music, YouTube, Spotify, etc.). Not everything in life should be free, it takes time/money to make things, to build an app, to create the music, to provide a service, etc.
princessacontessa ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 14:57:32 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
$8 a month isn't nothing to everyone. I try to support the things that I consume and enjoy as well, but you have to prioritize. Constantly having to cancel a subscription service because you can't always afford it is depressing, and in terms of time spent it's easier to just use the free version with an adblocker.
This is not an argument that media should be free. People deserve to get paid for what they create, but the subscription model is not perfect. Especially for people like me, who can sometimes afford to subscribe, but when things get tight subscriptions are the first thing to go.
tomegranate ยท 27 points ยท Posted at 15:40:17 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I don't mean to sound heartless, but I think that's just too bad. If you really believe you should support the things you enjoy, but you can't afford to pay, why would you ad block? I'm not unsympathetic - I couldn't afford paid Spotify or a few years ago, so I made do with the ad-supported version and when that got too annoying, listened to my mp3s and CDs.
E5150_Julian ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 17:38:41 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
amen, it's like those people complaining about reddit ads, saying reddit makes money off of gold but never buy any. adblock is great and I personally restrict adblock to block intrusive sites but blocking everything and expecting it to stay alive and free isn't the way to go.
butterbot5000 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:20:39 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
This!
DashAnimal ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 15:08:33 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
But why not keep ads and support the service (as well as artists etc.)? The subscription model actually sounds perfect for you, because there is no lock-in contract. You subscribe when you can afford it and cancel and use the ad version when you can't.
princessacontessa ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:19:37 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I don't block ads myself (I suffer through them FOR THE SAKE OF ART) but I know people that block ads as opposed to subscribing because you get essentially the same service, but for free.
Also, I don't know if you've ever tried to cancel a subscription service, but it's a huge pain in the ass and takes more time than it should. I can't speak for Spotify because I don't have a paid subscription there, but other services I've used have processes that are over ten clicks to cancel and use a bunch of shady ui designs to make you accidentally keep your subscription, and make you email customer service to reactivate your account if you cancel/rejoin enough times. It's better than a lot of other models, but it's not ideal.
BushMonsterInc ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 15:38:47 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Having ads isn't a problem - ads themselves are. If i play video on youtube, i dont mind short ads, but when i have 5min ad on 10min video, or, even worse, 2min ad on 3 minute song... No. This is bullshit. Not an inconvenience, but a total bullshit. If companies can't make bit sized app to sell their product, i don't feel any regrets blocking those ads.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 17:48:43 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Ads are max 30 seconds and most are 5 to 15. Stop spreading false information.
DashAnimal ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 15:51:35 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah nah that's bullshit. YouTube ads are either skippable after 5 seconds or 15-20 seconds maximum. See here: https://support.google.com/youtube/answer/2467968?hl=en
Whyevenbotherbeing ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 15:15:28 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
If you canโt afford something you donโt have a right to steal it.
intripletime ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:35:46 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It's also not exactly a bank breaker either. Like, we aren't talking about a four figure professional video editing software suite or something. It's like ten bucks guys.
noreturnnosurrender ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 17:04:21 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
yeah, and if you can't afford 8$, maybe it's time to get a job instead of spending all day consuming entertainment media
Whyevenbotherbeing ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 17:16:19 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Thereโs hundreds of free radio stations available. People act like a free premium music streaming service is their right and telling them โno it isnโtโ is akin to a slap on the face. And this isnโt even about not having access to music, itโs about whoโs paying for that, you or the advertisers. Itโs so cut and dry yet people....
AATroop ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:52:10 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You can live steam music from YouTube with very few ads. There are hundreds of alternative solutions.
Whyevenbotherbeing ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 17:59:27 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Some of my neighbours even share music with everyone late at night at no cost lol.
AATroop ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:56:50 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Ha. Funny, I'm subscribed to the same service even though I never asked for it.
Whyevenbotherbeing ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:59:19 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The compression on the music is bad though. So much bass. Way too much bass lol.
Derik_D ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:31:06 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
This 8$ is almost 100 a year and tbf there are countries where the subscription is more then double that.
I can't justify it specially because I think it is totally unfair that the pricing is different around the world for the same service. It goes from 3$ in the Philippines to 19$ in Denmark Spotify price index
That and the desktop version having more capabilities then the mobile version. That's shoving the paid version to the mobile customers and tbh I don't like that way of handling business.
intripletime ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:36:51 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You can multiply any monthly cost by twelve and get the yearly. Fine, that's useful for perspective I guess, but doesn't add to the argument.
InertState ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 17:31:37 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Did you know McDonaldโs cost different prices in different parts of the world?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:54:39 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Woah! Wtf not fair bro! I am not buying mcdonalds ever! /s
Derik_D ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 01:30:30 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
McDonald's is not an online service that's completely different. Geographical restrictions or favouring make no sense on the Internet.
Free_Joty ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:30:36 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Dude... poorer countries pay less
Not a radical idea
You just soud like a cheapo
MrBester ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:59:51 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
According to that chart and your logic, Scandinavia and UK must therefore be richer countries than US.
Monaco is also in the top ten, but I'll let that one slide.
Free_Joty ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 01:02:46 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
USA gets awesomeness discount FUK EUROPE
Derik_D ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:39:35 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It is an online service. Geo restrictions don't belong on the Internet.
Free_Joty ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:21:09 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Music rights holders do have geo restrictions tho๐ค
Derik_D ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:31:06 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yes of course but if Spotify is a US country and the music is hosted on US servers it should just be the US rights that cover the music.
Free_Joty ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:17:32 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Thatโs not how it law works though. Rights holders in Canada, for example, would be able to shut them down if spotify offered service there without having Canadian distribution rights
Also spotify is a Dutch company, not American
Derik_D ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:29:55 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Thanks though they were American. :)
I know it is not how the law works right now. But in my own personal opinion the way the law applies to the net is completely against what the Internet was created for. The net should be a open network without borders.
You are not using a Canadian service you are using a Dutch one. Canadian rights owners should have nothing to do with it.
Let me give a physical example of what I mean. You live by the border and your US friend plays a song licensed only for the US, is it illegal for you to listen to it in the Canada? Why would it be? It is being played legally you just happen to have access to it from across the border.
What about a movie on Netflix? He turns the TV to your side so you can see it, same thing.
The Internet should work in the same way. The rights belong to the host website under the host country law and you should be able to access that content where ever you are.
It is just idiotic to geoblock online and it only exists like it does because we are all feeding the fat cats that own the rights and could not adapt to the new digital world and bought out the law makers.
Free_Joty ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:25:05 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I guess this is a valid concern about copyright law internationally, but the amount of coordination that would be required from all countries to agree on reciprocal copyright would be basically impossible. It's not just a big countries that you would need to get agreements from to respect each other's copyrights, you'd also need all the smaller, poor countries to buy in as well. These small countries, who typically don't generate ip that the rest of the world wants, have no incentive to agree (ie does Venezuela care if someone in their country is stealing Hollywood moviea and rebroadcasting it?)
Setting all that aside, Spotify has to work under the current legal system around the world. There restrictions based on location are necessary to comply with law. They would be shut down otherwise
Derik_D ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:49:08 on March 25, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Tbf no individual cares anywhere, it is just the Hollywood moguls that care.
Of course you are right it would be impossible to have an international agreement and the biggest problem isn't copyright it is that it would mean a real free Internet and a lot of countries censor it.
fellatious_argument ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:38:58 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
In what way does paying spotify support music creators?
Holein5 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:39:36 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Creators have contracts with Spotify to allow them to play their music. EDIT The agreements aren't always directly with the creator, but can be with the management company that represents them. I first learned about this with the Taylor Swift story where she pulled her music off Spotify then re-inked with them to allow them to play it again for a specific amount of money.
fellatious_argument ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:54:39 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah the money all goes to the distributors who are unnecessary remnants in the digital age. They contribute nothing and take all the profit. Meanwhile most artists are forced to play their game. Only big names like Prince and Taylor Swift are in position to negotiate terms.
Fisionate ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 20:53:42 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Here's the thing - you cannot trust internet ads. Most of them are misleading or trying to install mallware. So when people lost faith in the ads, they started shoving them in our faces, hijacking clicks and using other nefarious tectics. It is because of the behavior of the ads companies that people have started suppressing ads. And now the ads companies are complaining. And you know what? Boo-freaking-hoo. Start policing yourselves and do some verification. Assure me that if I click on your ad I'll actually end up where I thought I'd be. Make them a little lighter - some people are paying for access by the Mb. Then we can talk about me blocking your ads.
tomegranate ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:38:15 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
If you don't like the ads, don't use the services or websites that feature them. Vote with your feet. If enough people did the same thing, websites would be forced to change.
iAkdeniz ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:28:41 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Or just navigate around the ads and let them deal with it.
mikeymop ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:17:37 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
This completely.
The only ads that are okay a banner image ads. No videos no js.
Speck78 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 21:09:11 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Wouldn't it be neat if Spotify added a donate button next to each song? A predefined tip you'd be sent directly to the artist performing. And the person who wrote it, probably.
EnolaLGBT ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 16:01:22 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
People here are complaining about the annoying, over the top ads. They are right. But thatโs the point, to get you to buy premium. Personally I would prefer that to personalized ads that use your location and arrest record to serve you the right brand of soup.
People that circumvent the ads without paying, donโt kid yourselves. Itโs not about what was in the ads. You were never going to pay anyways.
eskimoFry ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 18:33:54 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I think people do that to spite the company because the company is artificially lowering the quality of "free" to make them buy premium. It would be better to provide good "free" service by reducing the intrusiveness of the ads but still having them. Then people won't get startled by noisy or inappropriate adverts and it creates a positive feeling so they go and buy your products. It's not about the money, it's about treating your customers better.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:59:23 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
yes because that's how they're going to stay in business, providing a free service that's a complete net loss for them lol
The song royalties aren't cheap.
Yes, because people are going to actually do that -_-
EnolaLGBT ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:58:54 on March 26, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Youโre not a customer until you pay for premium. Given the nature of the ads, you are unlikely to be at all profitable to the company if you donโt buy premium.
If itโs not about the money then just pay for premium and all of your perceived slights will go away.
Inquisitor1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:54:01 on March 25, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I'm never going to pay, but so far I have just suffered the ads. Now you're telling me I can not pay AND not listen to ads? I'm intrigued, go on.
OneADayFlintstones ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:43:36 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I switched to playing on my tablet instead of using shitty shuffle play on my phone. The incoherence of each platforms features is very odd.
jordn1751 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:47:50 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
it doesnt make any sense why does someone on a tablet get more features
OneADayFlintstones ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:01:28 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Exactly! I get unlimited music any time I want, but with a block of ads after 5-10 songs on my tablet. Meanwhile, my damn phone's spotify might as well be a broken ipod shuffle.
ExiledLife ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:47:49 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe they shouldn't have allowed third party apps to give people free premium.
ProbablyBanned2 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:11:27 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
/u/yourSAS do you sell karma for living or what?
๐๏ธ yourSAS ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:21:16 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Lol, no. When I began, my account had a sitewide ban for some obnoxious reasons and my posts weren't visible and I was thinking reddit is shit. Only recently I got to know the truth and it's all good now.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:22:42 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Proud subscriber here, aka, legal thief.
WowbaggerIP ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:51:13 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Spotify's business model is terrible. They set themselves up for this when they basically tried to be the Netflix of radio but with ads that are obnoxious and kill the vibe. They haven't even tried to get creative, sticking to the same played out method for advertising that radio has been using for ages. How bout you stop the music until a user swipes through some images or plays an interactive ad that actually provides real user metrics? Much like free to play games have been doing for years now. Or how about you stop offering a free service at all and be more like Netflix? Or are you too scared of losing that precious market share? That's the real issue at hand here. Offering a free music service with ads just to corner the music market was a shitty thing to do in the first place and has devastated the music industry even more than piracy ever did. Because now even average people are getting their music for free. It's such a deep hole of greed that's killing the music scene. :(
AllPurple ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:35:52 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Anyone have the text to the article? It's just showing a (mostly) blank Reuters page for me.
Kytozion ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:56:18 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Earlier this month, news broke that Spotify was cracking down on users running modded versions of the Spotify app to stream music for free while blocking ads. At the time, it sounded like it was only a few users, but it turns out, the number is a bit higher. Spotifyโs IPO filing noted that roughly 2 million users are getting around ads on Spotify without paying, as noted by Reuters.
As of the end of 2017, Spotify reported that it had 157 million active users, of which 86 million were unpaid subscribers. Factor in the 2 million users pirating Premium-esque service by avoiding ads, and thatโs roughly 2.3 percent of free Spotify users with modded apps or accounts.
Thatโs a big deal, as Spotify itself points out in its IPO filing. Free users stealing what amounts to its Premium service without paying for it could increase costs of the free Spotify for the company without providing a corresponding increase to revenue (in either ad views or Premium subscription fees). And unlike most free users โ which Spotify counts on to convert to paid customers over time as a key part of its business model โ those users with modded versions of the application are less likely to become Premium subscribers.
reddit_reaper ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:50:32 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Because people are dumb. I understand blocking malicious ads but people need to understand that without those ads the app or website wouldn't be around much longer as they depend on those funds to keep the business going and if you like the product support them!. I block ads like many of you do but for websites i frequent and know which don't serve malicious ads i keep ublock off. Pretty much the whole reason i love gpm/ytr because i get what i want: no ads on YouTube and all the music i want and could ever need
tomegranate ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:42:19 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
There are so many self-righteous man-children on this thread who don't get this basic point, or try to spuriously argue around it. I can only assume they are immature, ignorant, stupid, cheap, or maladjusted.
reddit_reaper ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:03:07 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Agreed. Hey i like to block ads too but not in apps. Mostly on websites with problematic ads like malware, fake virus websites, and etc. The ads in app don't mean anything. People dealt with Pandora's service for years and all of a sudden they can't with Spotify?pfft cheapos
dghughes ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:06:50 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I don't mind the free version or listening to the occasional ad but those "no ads for 30 minutes" are not true, ads come on every five minutes.
And there's no article at the link just a generic Reuters page (as of 03:04GMT).
ecospacerace ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:50:22 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It's actually pretty easy. Just need a browser with an ad blocker.
RhitaGawr ยท 41 points ยท Posted at 14:29:04 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe if the ads weren't obnoxiously repetitive and annoying you'd have better luck..
98539853228 ยท 46 points ยท Posted at 15:11:56 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
That is the point, to annoy you into buying premium.
[deleted] ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 15:42:27 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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98539853228 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 17:27:45 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
And then you won't be as annoyed by free spotify, so you're less likely to subscribe.
[deleted] ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 17:29:09 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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98539853228 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:42:16 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It may not be, but Spotify has made it fairly obvious it's the way they think.
mickmon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:10:32 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Bad plan.. Maybe if they aren't assholes about it..
ScruffTheJanitor ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 15:22:09 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yeh, buy the subscription. That's the point.
RhitaGawr ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 15:48:43 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
That is a genuinely stupid point of reasoning. Annoy me? No quicker way to motivate me to make it go away..
[deleted] ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 15:56:31 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
They need to make money somehow.
PM_ME_YOUR_DEBUSSY ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:30:21 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, but they don't need crazy loud ads to do that!
AATroop ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:49:11 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
That totally justifies you! Wow, dodged that bullet!
PM_ME_YOUR_DEBUSSY ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 18:29:34 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
How do you justify a person again?? I joke, but for the record I don't pirate spotify or whatever, I simply think you can be perfectly fine without crazy loud ads. There is no law of the universe that says "makes ads loud and obnoxious! Or no money for you!" because that is quite frankly nonsense.
So 1. Don't automatically assume x because y and 2. Quieter and less obnoxious ads are perfectly fine if the goal is to make money.
Making the ads less obnoxious will hurt nobody, Spotify makes profit for their hard work on the app and people who insist on using the free version can do so without resorting to pirating.
Midnight1131 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:25:59 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
How is wanting people to actually pay for the service you're selling stupid?
PM_ME_YOUR_DEBUSSY ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 16:31:27 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Good god, the annoying thing here is the ads and their obnoxiousness, not the fact they exist. I am perfectly fine with them using ads on the free version, but please make it quieter.
RhitaGawr ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:58:43 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
How is blasting that service over and over again supposed to work? Are people that weak willed that they'll be bullied into paying for a service?
InertState ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:34:37 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Your reasoning: I want all my content when I want it, I don't want to pay for it, and I sure as fuck don't want to spend five to thirty seconds out of every hour just letting an ad run. Why should I be expected to contribute in any way to the content I demand.
RhitaGawr ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:33:33 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
1 or 2 a hour? Nice try buddy, it's every 5-10 minutes.
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 18:34:14 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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noob_said ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:15:55 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
We are spoiled generation so we are used to cheap stuff.
dogeatingdog ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 17:34:25 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Unreal. I pay $5 a month and get Spotify and Hulu. I know people who don't pay and just wasted $60 on a pirate game.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:52:35 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
hey sea of thieves is pretty fun for the 30 minutes it takes to see everything there is to see in the game lol
dogeatingdog ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:52:53 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I got it with game pass and played for about 30 min as well lol. I see it being fun when you have a couple friends to be idiots with. Never ever worth $60 though
SaborW ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 19:00:14 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
When ads use up to 79% of our data cap, Yeah we want to block that shit. I'll happily unblock ads for certain websites and services when my data cap is no longer capped. I'm not going to deal with how shitty and greedy ISPs are with bandwidth I pay for AND THEN give it all away, too
tomegranate ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 19:36:19 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It's not the websites fault that you've got a data cap or that your ISP sucks, and they're not forcing you to visit the websites. If you don't like the adverts, don't visit the websites, or wait till you've got a wifi connection. Stop trying to get something for nothing, there is no real justification.
travelsonic ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:48:26 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
But it is their fault that they needlessly require such an insane amount of bandwidth usage just to use a website.
tomegranate ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:02:26 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
So don't visit the website, or just wait until you have wifi.
SaborW ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:01:42 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It goes beyond just data caps. How many ads are vetted? How many times have people been infected with malware because of an advertisement purely from visiting a website? How ANNOYING is it to see a link to an article, you click it, and then poof you have a full screen ad blocking the entire page until you click the tiny X (Or those dick head websites that put an invisible ad on top of the ad so when you click the X you're actually clicking the invisible one, opening a new tab). What about ad servers that actually track what you look at for more targeted ads down the road. Then there's the insane clutter and longer load times that slow everything down, especially on mobile.
panopticon_aversion ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:26:07 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The justification is that it's possible and it's legal. One doesn't need any more justification to 'get something for nothing'.
Spotify's not dumb. They could go on a crusade against these users by no longer responding to their requests for music. They choose to continue serving those people.
BNASTYALLDAYBABY ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:33:14 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Being possible and legal shouldnโt be the grounds for justification. Itโs possible and legal for me to be an ass to everyone I see but that doesnโt mean I should do that.
Nobody is entitled to Spotifyโs services. Just because you found an exploit that is โlegalโ to get their premium services for free does not mean that you should. If you donโt like their ads then get premium, if you donโt want to pay for premium then find another way to listen to the music you like.
I donโt fully understand the mindset where people think that they are entitled to listen to all the music they want and like, just the way they want to, without being subject to either paying a fee or listening to ads. Donโt get me wrong I really dislike the way Spotify uses ads and I HATE the free mobile version of it, but they need to make money somehow.
TooSmalley ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 16:14:44 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Gotta pay for shit or you get ads. The culture of free on the internet is a problem because it creates the information monsters like Facebook.
Solidcancer07 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:16:53 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I think most free users are cool with the ads, it's the forced shuffle "feature" where you can't select a specific song to listen to which gets to them. Its often been compred to youtube making you watch a somehow related but still random video when you choose a video to watch
eskimoFry ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:40:42 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The internet was supposed to be for free flow of information. Businesses seized it and changed the rules in their favour.
TooSmalley ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:15:58 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
So you want artists to pay for studio time and release music for free?
eskimoFry ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 04:47:56 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I am saying they cannot complain when they put up music on the internet and then proceed to annoy the internet users. There will be consequences like piracy
berock212 ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 20:27:14 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Or you could just use an adblocker
TooSmalley ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 23:00:18 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah fuck people doing things I like making a living!
berock212 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 23:02:14 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Sure that's one way to look at it. I'm just saying "Gotta pay for shit or you get ads." is a false dichotomy. You could do neither.
jordn1751 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 22:47:02 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
wouldnt mind the ads if i could just pick what i want to listen too. I mean you shuffle a playlist and it plays songs not even in it
HnNaldoR ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 15:13:00 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I pay for Spotify, student price. But once I am out of school, I won't pay full price for it.
There are always songs I want that are not on Spotify. For me, the only feature worth paying for is the offline listen, but due to the incomplete library, I use Spotify mostly for music discovery, which means I likely want to stream music rather than download. So... Not much reason to pay full price imo.
And if I don't pay, I will feel like I will go for the no ads version because ads are really irritating. I get have 1 or 2 ads all the time. The volume is crazy loud... And I listen to music mostly when I am studying. Ads kinda breaks my focus as well which is why I am paying now
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:05:54 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Check out google play music, it lets you upload any song to it and its available on all your devices as if google had it.
It's really good for obscure ass soundcloud shit lol
Chasedabigbase ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:28:31 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You can share a family plan if you get enough friends together, maybe find some that are also using spotty student.
I pay 2.50 for premium split 6 ways, awesome
deadlymoogle ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 18:56:40 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
People are really this cheap? It's like 10 bucks a month
ericistheend ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 22:40:02 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
BUY SPOTIFY PREMIUM YOU CHEAP FUCK.
Almighty_Loaf_ ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 08:53:40 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
TIL most of the people on Reddit are poor disgusting homeless bastards who can't even afford fucking cheap 10$ a month for unlimited music streaming in great quality with literally unlimited songs. Wow.
I hate all of you poor bastards who want everything for free.
BurgerUSA ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 09:51:35 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Hahahaha reddit is communist website. We want everything for free! Equal distributing of wealth! Eat the rich! We wuz 99%!
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 11:42:15 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Ok rich guy.
QuintonBigBrawler ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 14:26:29 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I mean what do you expect. The point of spotify is to attract people who don't want to spend money on music.
Meior ยท 24 points ยท Posted at 15:12:26 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
What? No. It's to attract people that want convenience. I don't want to get music elsewhere because it costs money. It's because I'm a lazy bastard who doesn't want to handle cd's and I find spotify to be my best digital options.
maybatch ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 21:38:42 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Are you being payed to say this lol? you can easily buy albums online without buying a CD or having to touch one, maybe I am misunderstanding what you are saying though
Meior ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:49:18 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I like how you left out what I said right after that.
Don't try to skew what I said.
maybatch ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 21:57:52 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I am trying to skew what you said? Spotify doesn't sell CD's, and you are talking about you not wanting to have to deal with CD's and their "trouble". I think you are just making excuses and wouldn't buy any CD's regardless to be honest, but who knows
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:24:35 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Nah I want convenience. I still pay 50-100 bucks a month for vinyl/CDs but I'll be damned if spotify doesn't mate discovering things easier.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:04:44 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
lol I can spin up quite literally any song I'd ever want to listen to, in any room of my apartment without using my hands, but here I am still using records.
Yesterday I was listening to one and I was like "fuck in like 20 minutes I'm going to have to get up and flip over the record so inconvenient!"
I'm even working on a way to cast my record player to a chromecast so I can multi-room it lol
Fgge ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:22:32 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Some of us buy music and use Spotify
dubman42 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:09:01 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I haven't purchased music in probably 10 years, other than my Spotify subscription, and Pandora before that.
Fgge ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:15:54 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Cool. I buy music most weeks and use Spotify everyday
dubman42 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:16:44 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Cool, I don't. Now what?
Fgge ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:21:10 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I dunno, I didnโt realise this was an argument...
dubman42 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:29:43 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Not really an argument. I just suspect that the more common use case among Spotify users is mine.
Fgge ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:30:42 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I wasnโt disputing that, just offering a differing side thatโs all
neltymind ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:06:26 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Stop talking about stuff you obviously don't understand.
fellatious_argument ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 18:26:42 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Wow spotify sure has astroturfed the shit out of this thread.
Satan_Butthole ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 14:43:10 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Well Twitch don't work anymore if you use ads blocker why don't they just do the same?
patn8 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:22:21 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
They're referring to people who used modified versions of Spotify to block ads.
godutchnow ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:14:05 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Spotify could require a signed apk
Satan_Butthole ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:28:33 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, but in the back-end, Twitch sends ads with the same stream as the video stream. Other services send them separately if they send the ads like twitch they would block the music itself.
StytheStream ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:00:31 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yes it does.
Source: streamer, active viewer, adblocker.
shadesofglue ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 15:42:24 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I think given how much effort is put into Spotify yet they're losing money, how cheap it is for students. It's general decency to pay for premium, or at least put up with the Ads, you also have alternatives, YouTube is free. No need to be that frugal,
UnknowBan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:47:10 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-03-21/youtube-to-frustrate-some-users-with-ads-so-they-pay-for-music
therobinshark ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:11:31 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Honestly I donโt think itโs much of a problem. I do think itโs a bit expensive but you do get millions of songs. I personally wonโt pay for it because I donโt have $10 to just throw away. When ever I can get premium for free Iโll do that but otherwise itโs not worth it. I have my own music and I also use SoundCloud. Most of the music I really listen to is on SoundCloud so there is no real incentive for me to use Spotify. But if you usually listen to pop and everything they have to offer I think itโs worth it if you really use it every day.
sbrbrad ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 18:16:58 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I only needed to hear a commercial for me undies 87 times before I decided I wasn't going to buy them.
Marsmar-LordofMars ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:55:17 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
User 1: Alright, I'm paying 120 a year for the ad free version
User 2: I will not pay 120 a year for the ad free version but I will just put up with the ads
Ads start being obnoxiously loud
User 2: I will not pay 120 a year and circumvent the ads
If spotify loses money, it's their own damn fault lol. They could have turned down the ads and user two would still be putting up with them.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:26:13 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
And it will only get worse.
Spotify continues to lose money and if they are going public, those shareholders are going to want to see a return on investment. I could see the free tier being made excruciatingly unusable in an attempt to convert people to the paid version.
Marsmar-LordofMars ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:35:16 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
They could just lower their ad volume but instead they pick the hard way.
Greyskulduggery ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:45:35 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I remember a few years ago they had this ad making rounds that opened with this super loud and obnoxious squeegee sound. I tried to put up with ads, but it would play every 3 songs and it just drove me insane.
I'm not about to pay to avoid ads that are seemingly intentionally annoying to pressure users into paying.
VoraciousTrees ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 22:02:34 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Wake up call: Similar to how Game of Thrones used to be the most pirated series before HBO-Now came out, maybe make ads that don't suck and people wouldn't mind listening to them. Also, if your ad is 8x the volume of the music in the app, I will never use your services. I'm looking at you, "O O O ORILEY AUTO PARTS".
squoril ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:13:03 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
FUCK I HATE THAT AD
babiesrabies1234 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 07:48:47 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah cause nobody fucking wants to sit through your fucking loud ass ads just to listen to one damn song
AlphaReds ยท 33 points ยท Posted at 13:57:20 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I like how the comments are people making up random stupid reasons for blocking ads like "volume too loud" or "too many" even though these people would still block them even if these so called problems didn't exist. But whatever makes you feel justified in it I guess.
Ryokoo ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 14:14:59 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I just fucking hate ads. The only time I'm listening to music really is at the gym. There is nothing worse than getting an ad or interruption in the middle of a set. You lose focus. Also, as long as data caps exist on mobile, I will not let ads waste my usage.
hellphish ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 14:29:23 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Everyone is saying pay for Spotify. I'll offer another alternative: download some workout playlists to your phone. Listen to your small amount of music offline.
[deleted] ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 14:43:05 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
So if you don't like ads, pay for it. They offer you a valid solution and $10 a month for almost unlimited music is pretty amazing.
exxpired ยท 29 points ยท Posted at 14:19:44 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Pay for Spotify then
Ryokoo ยท -11 points ยท Posted at 14:22:46 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
If the cost goes down to $5 per month, sure. Listening to music a few hours a week is not worth the same cost per month as Netflix to me.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 18:23:30 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Come on, be honest. You wouldn't pay for it if it was $1 per month.
Ryokoo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:15:43 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Sure I would. I paid for the 6 month trial(or whatever it was for like 50% off a while ago) of Play Music and used that. I am just not willing to pay $10 per month. Music streaming does not provide the same value as Netflix to me, and I am not willing to pay the
seco2004 ยท 35 points ยท Posted at 14:46:51 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Then go buy the CDs, rip them and put it on your phone for offline playback. Want the convenience of Spotify? Pay for it, simple as that. Amazing how people find excuses for their shitty attitudes.
Ryokoo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:04:42 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Or I mean I could just keep pirating music like I have been since Napster launched.
seco2004 ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 15:18:03 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
If you can live with the idea of stealing other people's work sure, you can keep doing that. I just find it insane that some people have a hard time understanding that these things involve tons of money and hard work, and that is important to show support when possbile by paying for the service. I totally get that sometimes people can't afford stuff, but if that's the case just play by the rules and listen to the ads, it's not that difficult.
Ryokoo ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 15:22:05 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I am totally fine with living with the idea of stealing from millionaires.
However, saying pirating is anything close to stealing is a blatant lie.
DevilsProponent ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 16:59:08 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Not only are you stealing from the artist, you're stealing from everyone in that pipeline: engineers, marketers, songwriters, technicians, the retailer, the label who uses money to help new artists. There are a lot of people that take part in this process, and when you pirate, it affects them, too. You'll have to work harder to justify your thievery.
Prove it. Prove that you taking something for free that you're supposed to pay for isn't stealing.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:06:23 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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DevilsProponent ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:14:10 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
So you steal server bandwidth and electricity costs from a company providing a service that you refuse to pay for. Got it.
You may be right, but "thinking it" doesn't make it true. Bring some evidence to the table if you want to prove your claim.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:22:44 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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DevilsProponent ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:25:41 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
No thoughts on your other theft?
Ryokoo ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:31:01 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Here. I've found a picture that illustrates the difference between stealing and pirating.
Http://torrentfreak.com/images/piracy-is-not-theft.png
DevilsProponent ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 17:39:05 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Theft = gaining ownership of a good that you're supposed to pay for, but you didn't = piracy.
MeasIIDX ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:24:37 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe the picture should have the money that was supposed to go to artists/employees. Can that money be copied?
Ryokoo ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:17:31 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
This is just ignorant. That money does not exist because I would not have otherwise paid for the music. I've downloaded a copy of their music, they have not lost property, they have not lost money. It is not theft.
MeasIIDX ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:23:25 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
So who is paying for the bandwidth and royalty to the musician/label if you're not? Honest question.
Oomletts ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:03:19 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
So what you're saying is, when you pirate a song instead of buying it, atleast the artist gets to feel like the song is still theirs.. right? You only copied, you didnt steal?
The artist needs money to survive- if you pirate their stuff, the money you would have otherwise spent on the privilege of listening to their hard work is now spent on something else. You only take and you dont give back.
SewdiO ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:46:53 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Creating anything involves an initial investment which is not drawn here. So a copy is not harmless, because it's that much that was expected to reimburse the investment that is now lost. If music cost nothing to produce and distribute, piracy wouldn't be an issue.
Gibslayer ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 15:42:25 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Man... I hope you realise that unless you only listen to the top Artists you are likely harming a lot of smaller artists. Smaller artists rely on the small amount of money they make and labels use money from big artists to support smaller ones on the label.
Ryokoo ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 15:54:16 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I'm a very basic bitch. My gym playlists are almost all rap music from the 90s from artists who have more than enough money.
Gibslayer ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 16:00:12 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Who are all likely on labels where label funds are used to support up and coming talent.
seco2004 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:30:51 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Ok this settles it then.
DarkLoliMaster ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:41:14 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Gotta try to keep that conscious clean
DaIntrawebz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:43:08 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Just curious do you use ad blockers on your browsers?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:07:42 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
not OP, but adblockers are a must for me because I'm tired of the attack vectors that are web adds.
One video game website for example had an ad that uploaded ten gigs of data to your pc. The website owners didn't even know either.
Spotify ads ain't gonna fuck your pc.
HoldmysunnyD ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 14:34:03 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Then uninstall Spotify?
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 15:29:34 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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nevercatdogaruff ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 18:39:29 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Lol...
metrize ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:01:13 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
TIL he's stealing ads
nevercatdogaruff ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 20:56:26 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
TIL Reddit is full of pirates and thieves
metrize ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 21:02:26 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
people can do what they want, it's their chocie. If spotify goes down because of people blocking ads then their business model wasn't good to begin with. Let the free market do its work, maybe this won't matter after all after the Spotify IPO
nevercatdogaruff ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:04:41 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
They can do what they want but they're still thieves
Ryokoo ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 14:36:53 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
hi
berock212 ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 20:03:56 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Or he could continue blocking ads
droidxl ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 14:21:54 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
So... pay for it? I don't see the problem here rofl.
tomegranate ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:52:11 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
In that case, stop making excuses and don't use the service. You don't have a god-given right to a free music streaming service, and you're leaching off the people who do pay or who tolerate the ads.
deepfriedceleron ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 14:21:47 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
But premium solves both of those problems. No ads, less data usage (offline play). And you can share with a group of friends and split the cost if it's still too much, I'm paying about 2 bucks shared with 4 other people
Worth_The_Squeeze ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 14:21:52 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Then pay for it like everyone else instead of stealing?
Edit: Really? This subreddit is fine with people who receives a service that they haven't even payed for, even though they should? I know the kind of people in the world who would do this is exactly the kind of people that we have a high concentration of on this subreddit.
I guess i shouldn't pay for any service either. Why stop with Spotify? I'll steal from Amazon, Netflix, HBO and so on. It's free, so why not? (/s on this last part, it's either straight up illegal or in a legally grey area)
humberriverdam ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 16:28:03 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
And then these people wonder why Android ends up with shit versions of these paid apps. Why develop for a base that thinks everything should be free?
Worth_The_Squeeze ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:29:50 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yup. Completely agree. It's these kind of people who would complain about an app or service not being good enough for them to pay for it, but they never ever pay for anything, so how would these business be able to provide such an app or service, if they're never being rewarded for it?
These people are just ridiculous.
4K77 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:55:06 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It's over priced. It costs as much as Netflix, which is full of TV and movies. Music isn't worth as much to many of us. It's just background noise. Should be $5 a month or even less.
dreadful05 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:07:37 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It is $5 a month for students and it's less if you group up and split the cost of a family plan.
Derik_D ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:14:38 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Which according to the terms is actually illegal. You can't split a family account if you don't live together...
dreadful05 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:33:21 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
That's great, but I doubt the people too cheap to pay the normal price for premium are worried about the terms of service.
Derik_D ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:36:11 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
My point is people are saying don't be illegal, split the cost, which is also an illegality.
dreadful05 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:17:11 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
There's likely plenty of people who are using modded apks that could split the cost with people in their household and be perfectly legal. That said, I don't really care what people do. I was just saying there are options if you want to pay for the service, but pay less. Also, with a family plan you probably don't need to worry too much about your account being banned.
Derik_D ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:40:49 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah fair enough I got your point and think you have the right attitude. People are reacting on this feed like they were Spotify employees lol.
Worth_The_Squeeze ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 16:15:50 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
If it isn't worth as much to you, then just use the free version? It's right there. If music isn't as important to you, and you're too cheap to pay, then you should be able to stomach a commercial now and then.
It's your choice.
Lastly, Spotify isn't really that expensive, especially considering how shit Netflix's selection is, at least in my country. All you have to do is start a spotify family account. You're 5 people sharing a monthly fee of 30$, which is 6$ dollars per person . Are you seriously going to tell me that is bad for full access to Spotify's huge library and full functionality? For god sake, people pay more for a single Starbucks coffee. What is better bang for your buck? Please be realistic here.
Queen_Jezza ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:03:06 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
i can see why people think it's immoral to block ads, but "stealing" is just so far out of the question it's not even funny.
the internet is "pull", not "push". the content provider does not control what happens on my device, unlike with TV, radio etc.. all the content provider does is send me the data - it's up to the user to do whatever they want with it. there are a lot of different rendering engines (edge, firefox, chrome etc) that display it in different ways, and yes, some users choose to use a plugin that stops ads from being displayed. that's their choice.
the content provider can usually tell when this happens, and they have the option to not provide content to them. spotify clearly knows which users are blocking ads, that's how they arrived at their two million number. if they wanted to block those people from using their service, they could, and it's the same with websites. but they don't, because it's bad for business. having people using and talking about your service outweighs the cost of providing the service.
users can choose not to render certain elements, providers can choose not to send data to the user. both of those things are up to them, there's no "stealing" about it. that's how the internet works, and was designed to work from the very beginning.
Worth_The_Squeeze ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:05:52 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I guess i'll just stop paying for any kind of service, because why should i pay for it? Spotify isn't doing too well on the economic front, so if people refuse to pay for the service that they provide them, then why would i stop with just Spotify? Why not just expand the operation? There are a lot of stores and services that put things out there for the consumers to choose what they want to do with. I'll just attain that as well without paying. They're all doing a lot better than spotify, and they don't really provide a product that is as consumer friendly as Spotify is.
Why pay for anything, if i can get it for free, right?
/s
I can not stand people who obtain things for free, because they're too cheap to pay for the service, as everyone else does. In some cases it's just illegal, while in others it's very legally grey, and definitely morally wrong.
Queen_Jezza ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:16:25 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
no, not even close actually. it's actually kind of absurd that you think blocking ads is "legally grey". and as i explained, the internet is designed such that users are in control of what displays on their devices, there is nothing morally wrong about it.
Worth_The_Squeeze ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:21:34 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
There is something morally wrong about attaining a service that you're supposed to pay for. It's a service that people appreciate, therefore they pay Spotify, as they're the ones providing it. If it weren't for Spotify, it wouldn't be available.
If everyone does the same thing as these cheap asses, then Spotify wouldn't be able to survive, as they would have no good source of income, which they need to provide the service. They would have to scale back their operation, which is definitely going to hurt the product that we're getting, or they would go bankrupt, as it wouldn't be sustainable to keep the high standard they have at the moment with no good source of income.
lastly, it's pretty much the same thing, if you don't pay for a product/service that you're provided.
Queen_Jezza ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 16:48:05 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
i'm gonna stop you right there - not everybody does the same. the vast majority of users pay for it. spotify know that some people block their ads, and they choose to allow them to do it, because having those people using your service and talking about it increases your mind share and attracts paying customers.
all you are doing is sending a request to their servers asking for them to send you data. they know you won't display their ads. they choose to send you the data anyway. there's nothing immoral about it
Worth_The_Squeeze ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:25:47 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You didn't even counter any of my points, you're just saying the exact same thing as before.
Let me quote myself until it is actually answered properly:
You're saying a lot of people is paying for it, which i didn't dispute. God bless the people who pay for it, as they're the reason the service is available to everyone. I'm saying if everyone acted the same as these cheap asses, then the service would be either vastly inferior or not available at all. Read what i quoted.
Lastly, the people who are attaining a service without even paying for it aren't going to do anything other than tell other people how they can attain it as well without paying for it. Spotify isn't really getting much out of it at all. They should just ban them all, as they're not paying for the service that is provided. Spotify has such a large consumer base, they would be fine without 2 million people who isn't even paying. They won't really lose anything significant. They have 70 million paying users for god sake, and they probably have vastly more that listen to it on the free version with ads.
I really hope they ban them all. They can either start paying or use the free version with ads. If they're too cheap, the free version is right there. If they hate ads, they can just pay a tiny amount every month, it's right there. People can spend as much money on a single cup of Starbucks as they do on a month of premium Spotify. No one is going to take them seriously if they start whining, because they're aren't getting a service for free that you're supposed to pay for, something that everyone else is happily paying for, as it's a good service.
Amnesys ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:38:06 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I personally would never pay for a service which is a lot worse in multiple ways than what I could get for free. When the paid service gets better, improves and can rival what I can get for free, then I'll consider paying for it.
Spending money on inferior products sounds ridiculous to me.
Worth_The_Squeeze ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:28:30 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
What service is better than you can get for free in a way that isn't morally grey or simply wrong?
I don't know of a single service that provides a better experience that are free. I have a feeling you're probably talking about attaining something that everyone else is paying for, as that is what you do when a service is provided to you.
Amnesys ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:35:03 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not looking at this as a purely financial thing. You are missing my point, money isn't the main factor here.
I'm looking at the total package of the service. How the content is distributed, the quality of the content, how much content, any type of features which enriches the experience or makes the service more convenient to use etc..
Spotify solved this for many users when it came out. But for me it stills lacks a lot of features and content to justify spending any money on.
Worth_The_Squeeze ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:46:52 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Then use the free version with ads, it's right there for you, if you aren't ready to pay.
I'm still wondering what alternative service you're refering to, other than Spotify, when you said the following:
Amnesys ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:12:08 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
As I tried to tell you with my last post, Spotify doesn't provide the quality nor quantity I am looking for. There is no reason for me to use it at all at the moment.
I'd rather buy my music directly, giving me full control over it, or torrent it.
Worth_The_Squeeze ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:16:59 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Classy. If everyone did the same as you, then you would never ever have the option of a service that provides proper quality, as they would never ever have the money for it, as everyone would just be obtaining things Illegally.
Amnesys ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:26:14 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Are you only able to take one word out of context and focus solely on that specific word?
Can't say I find your way of arguing very appealing. Have you ever crossed the road without a green light? Have you ever done speeding? If everyone did that loads of more people would die.
This type of argumentation is just bad honestly, bunch of "what if's" and you taking the morale high ground.
I'd say I pay for most of my music. But when I can't find a way to buy it directly/online, I'll torrent it. That is the only option I have to get the product I prefer.
Sharkysharkson ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:42:58 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
If you actually believe snaking around a form of payment isn't stealing, at the very least, wrong, then I feel bad for the rest of your moral compass.
Queen_Jezza ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:00:47 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
k, cool. i don't particularly care what you think. i've explained my reasoning
Sharkysharkson ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:27:48 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Haha! What a child. Someone knows they're wrong
hashtagpow ยท -9 points ยท Posted at 16:11:07 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I like how you are looking down on people who have legit complaints for not liking their ads.
AATroop ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 17:53:12 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
We're "looking down" on people for not paying $5 or $10 a month for a service they exploit.
[deleted] ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 17:55:12 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
No one likes ads, but it's BS that people will find any reason to not pay creators for their content.
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 18:11:10 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
i like how you are completely missing the point
Meshuggahn ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:19:43 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I use both Spotify and Pandora free versions for different things. I don't block the ads on pandora. I do on spotify. Why would that be? Spotify Ads are loud and long and numerous plus I dislike the way Spotify intentionally limits the capabilites of the free app depending on what device you use. So I will not pay Spotify for being an annoying company that has a service I would otherwise enjoy.
Pandora's ads on the other hand, are normal volume and feel way less intrusive to the listening experience. I have 0 problem with having them in my stream.
If Spotify Ads were like that, I wouldn't block them. If Spotify wasn't a dick of a company, I might even pay for the extra features. As it stands I won't. And if that means eventually I have to give them up or they can't support thier business model, I am ok with that
mickmon ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 23:11:38 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You forgot that they don't pay their content creators, just saying that might have something to do with people not giving them money.
hallada ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 18:48:10 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Spotify has used pirated music to develop and secure funding. To close that circle they should go out of business because of it.
jordn1751 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:35:09 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
can you elaborate on this
autowolf ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:22:53 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Their beta launched in 2008 and contained pirated music
copypaste_93 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 18:52:19 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Bunch of cheap cunts.
[deleted] ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 15:05:17 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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patn8 ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 15:18:36 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Desktop Spotify is better than mobile
ScruffTheJanitor ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 15:26:14 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I have no clue what you're doing different, but the app is fast and perfectly fine for me.
[deleted] ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 15:30:10 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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DerpeyBloke ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 17:41:50 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
My phone is like 3 years old and still runs fine even on expanded storage which tends to bog some other apps down. Yes, I'm skeptical.
thrBladeRunner ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:11:19 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
That's odd. I have a ThinkPad x220 with an SSD and it's just fine. Certainly no Gbit connection. You've likely tried it, but maybe reinstall?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:13:13 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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thrBladeRunner ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:25:20 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
That sucks. But that does remind me โ on my phone (iPhone X), sometimes my library won't load for awhile. Happened much more often on my 6. Has only happened once or so since I've had my X. Usually have to restart it. But I have Sprint, so I'm not sure how the (probably poor) data connection is affecting it. Though this affects my locally downloaded "Songs" section of around 3,000 songs, so it's probably just Spotify's fault.
MeasIIDX ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:31:47 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe I'm lucky but my experience has been nothing but awesome with Spotify on mobile and desktop.
thehidden999 ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 15:59:31 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
For real. I use newpipe to download my music. Its YouTube but without the red subscription
thejedimex ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:00:58 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I have gladly payed my 10 bucks a month, such an awesome service
UCNTCME7 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:37:38 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
If they raise the price i am fucking gone
viperex ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:39:06 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
By using AdBlock?
MartinD738 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:59:03 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Spotify has never recorded profit in all the years it has been running the service.
Austen98 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:06:47 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
How many of those people just read this post and said, oh yeah I forgot to disable ad blocker.
deadkennedy ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:25:56 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Spotify is a direct response to the idea that people pirated music to sample before they buy and for music portability.
This? This is people feeling entitled to free music. Give the artists you enjoy those fractions of pennies and listen to the ads if you don't want to pay for the premium account.
Halk ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:01:01 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
This is relevant.
maplevela ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:03:17 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Spotify add a fucking Apple watch app already.
NimblestheSecond ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:19:12 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I stopped using spotify and resorted to just using Google music. I was astonished with the reliability of Google music as a non subscriber. I don't think I encountered ads. It takes a second to hit that skip limit, which had me originally thinking there wasn't even one.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:52:47 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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SemiSeriousSam ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:26:51 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I use spotify to quickly listen to a track or two. It's there for convenience. I pay for music through Bandcamp or physical media. Spotify could cease to exist and all it would do is cause a super minor inconvenience at rare intervals.
halcyonjm ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:32:43 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Full Disclosure: The link to the article was blank. I wish I could actually comment on the article, but alas.
I will say that I'm an ad-supported lister for both Pandora and Spotify. I end up listening to Pandora more because of Spotify's "ads."
I grew up listening to music on the radio; I'm used to having advertisements. That's no big deal. But the reason I put the word "ads" in quotation marks is that Spotify doesn't really run that many advertisements for products/businesses. What they serve to me are mostly audio clips trying to persuade me to upgrade to the paid Spotify.
I get it: paid Spotify is great. You hounding me every commercial break with the same three Spotify clips is not going to get me to upgrade. After awhile, it starts to feel like a hostage situation. "Hey, if you upgrade we'll stop telling you to upgrade all the time."
At one point, they were actually running a clip every commercial break that was just a bunch of awful noises for 30 seconds, followed by a voice over saying "Don't you hate these ads? Upgrade to Spotify plus now and they'll stop!"
After awhile it becomes clear that they aren't even trying to make money with the commercial breaks. The sole purpose of the breaks is to drive you away if you aren't going to upgrade. I can only take that for so long before I'm like, "Fine, I get it. You hate your free users. Fuck you too." And I switch back over to Pandora.
CorruptedComa ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:39:18 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Wow. Seems like they are about to jack the price up for paid users.
CommonSenseAvenger ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:45:30 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Take that, capitalism.
Apllejuice ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:15:18 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Fuck Spotify when Bandcamp exists. I wanna spend $100 for an album an artist lists as free, at least I know they're seeing most of it. Or I get to DL for free. Or I can listen on the site, and every option is ad free!
I don't get how anyone argues on behalf of ads, when often they're loud, repetitive, and huge wastes of time.
MrTechSavvy ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:31:44 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
YouTube Music is better.
areyoucr4zy ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:54:28 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The Reuters link wont open. They detected My adblocker.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:26:48 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Right click, remove overlay.
downztiger ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:56:36 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The irony.
zachatree ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:56:04 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I am just glad I have a free subscription through my wife's job.
patraicemery ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:30:37 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I don't understand why more people don't use Google's music subscription when you get YouTube red with it and just as much of a music choice.
tomegranate ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:46:50 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I probably would do, except YT red still isn't available in the UK... and the GPM app is worse than Spotify.
downztiger ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:52:57 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
GPM app is dogshit. And people around here use YouTube Vanced, or NewPipe to get the red features for free with the exception to the red exclusive video series like mind field with ya Boi vsauce Michael.
patraicemery ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:09:14 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I don't see the hate in gpm so.much. really it's on par and maybe in some ways better then Spotify
liamxx98 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:33:44 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Xbox one is basically free Spotify premium
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:04:34 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I got banned from spotify lmaoo
Sporxx ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:26:35 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I pay for increased functionality, not to beat the ads. If I didn't care about the functionality or if paying only removed ads, I'd be running a script too.
happy_satan999 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:36:12 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Imma just casually sit here with my MP3 music player app while buying induvidual albums through Bandcamp and Amazon.
AlienRobotPirate ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:50:50 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
While I see the appeal of getting full use for free, Spotify has changed the way I listen to music and the role it plays in my everyday life. I think I can spare some money to support a service that has become intergral to my daily life.
anumati ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:31:37 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Considering how cheap storage is, part of me is amazed people bother streaming.
rodymacedo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:01:34 on March 25, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It's called convenience.
anumati ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:16:14 on March 25, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Only being able to listen to the music your chosen streaming platform is licenced for is convenient?
rodymacedo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:08:11 on March 25, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Having millions of songs one tap away seems convenient to me.
srgramrod ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:45:43 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
This website deletes the article when I try to view the page with an ad blocker
anthonyvardiz ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:48:30 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
To the users who continue to report this post, please acknowledge that this post has already been approved with an accompanying moderator post.
Automatic_nun_gun ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:26:32 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I canceled the debit card I used for Spotify 6 months ago and never got around to putting my new one in but it has been working premium since then.
dea6cat ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:14:14 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Lucky ๐.
rodymacedo ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:10:01 on March 25, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Kinda disappointed with these comments. Thought people from first world countries were more decent.
Mielinen ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:33:20 on April 1, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Spotify ++, the greatest thing since sliced bread.
SamuraiJakkass86 ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 20:39:55 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
ITT: People that don't have reddit gold active telling other people that they should have to pay to use services or else.
tomegranate ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 00:44:07 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Oh look, there's ads all over reddit. If people aren't blocking reddit's ads, there's no hypocrisy.
downztiger ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:49:33 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Adblockers are becoming a staple in most user's browsers these days. Not to mention mobile apps that connect to reddit that reddit makes no money off of. I don't most of my browsing on mobile.
BlueFrenchHornThief ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 15:14:20 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Half of them are from India i guess ๐
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:58:06 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, I am one of them. I heard that it's going to launch here soon. Can't wait to buy it.
forestman11 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 19:04:08 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Do people really have that big of a problem to not be able to pay $10 a month for unlimited listens to just about every song out there? I mean, come on.
DynamicDonkey0 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:40:16 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yes. I am one of them. I have no way to pay for premium, and I can't get the student pack because my school uses a custom .org email through GMail, not .edu.
godutchnow ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:17:18 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Work harder if you want to listen, not being able to afford something but wanting it is no excuse to steal
DynamicDonkey0 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:07:27 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I can afford it, it's just I live in a family that won't allow me to get a credit card or open a bank account yet. All of my money is in cash.
antonlk ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 14:27:13 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Reading some comments here... lol. Since when host editing is called piracy and hacking?
CubeActimel ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 15:35:00 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Before the Adobe Creative Cloud you edited the host file to avoid them checking for a license and this already dates back a few years so I guess since a long time?
RingsOfOrbis ยท 46 points ยท Posted at 14:52:58 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Since you don't pay for a product you're supposed to
rquinn12 ยท -9 points ยท Posted at 15:06:22 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Not even close to the same. It's the developers fault for using that as their means of ad delivery
DevilsProponent ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 17:02:24 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
"It's the jewelry store's fault for not hiring more security guards or installing enough cameras."
[deleted] ยท -12 points ยท Posted at 17:08:42 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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DevilsProponent ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 17:12:21 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Do you think as long as there's an opportunity for someone to steal something, it's okay for them to do it? I understand that it's important to protect your goods, but do you think it's okay to use security faults as a justification for theft?
[deleted] ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 17:36:47 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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DevilsProponent ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 17:50:58 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Anything written in open source is subject to be used and changed. That's why open source developers release code that way. To help others. That's their prerogative. If they choose not to charge for their work, and release it as a philanthropic gesture, that's totally up to them. Others are allowed to use that work for profit. That's the agreement. That's ethical.
Who says those getting paid don't contribute? Spotify is providing a service. If a consumer believes the service benefits them at the price that's being charged, that's contributing.
Your comment, while thought-provoking, is outside the scope of this conversation unless you can provide linkage between unethical companies and Spotify.
It's simple, if you pirate, you're stealing from a large pipeline of people. And that can be your prerogative, but there are impacts. And if enough people in a society agree, then they'll pass laws against it, and you'll be punished.
RingsOfOrbis ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:22:59 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
This is the best one I've read. It's the developers fault they're using methods which make it easy to block ads/not pay for something you're supposed to
Lol that's why their blasting speakers for ads is completely justified
rquinn12 ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 15:37:48 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I should be able to filter IPs as I see fit. Whether it's my PC or a mobile device.
edit: btw I do pay for Apple Music and Pandora Premium and also have Amazon Prime although I don't use the music
BigPorch ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 17:53:17 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It's exactly like if Adblock Plus in Chrome blocked all of a services ads and then they got mad at you and banned you. It is their fault, and they should just embrace the exposure they're getting like Adobe does.
noreturnnosurrender ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:05:36 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
it's your fault for leaving your door unlocked
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 12:03:10 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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DioInBicicletta ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:07:15 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It's even worse than piracy, as they are using Spotify's bandwidth for free. Technically with piracy you are not taking away anything from Spotify or the artists.
Eight_square ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:17:24 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You still don't take anything from artist. A hit is a hit is a hit on modded or original app.
DioInBicicletta ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:55:25 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
But you are taking away Spotify's resources (bandwidth, servers...) without making them any profit through ads or payment. You are litterally costing them money if you use the cracked APK. This would not happen with good old pirated mp3s
Eight_square ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:49:27 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
True. Same with all ad blocking, you take bandwidth from the website. But it's easier on conscience knowing they are a big ass company and the loss is negligible.
donutb ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:52:17 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
it blows my mind how cheap people are.
You get a discount if you are a student. You can get ANOTHER discount with a family plan and its like 3-4 bucks a month.
You deserve the loudest ads in the world if you are too cheap to subscribe.
SomeGuy147 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:27:20 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Using software in a way you're not supposed to is hacking.
tomegranate ยท -10 points ยท Posted at 15:41:22 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Lol since when is going into a record store, putting a CD into my pocket and walking out with it without paying called stealing? Right??
whatyousay69 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 17:42:19 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
That's not how hosts editing works on a technical level. You aren't accessing something you aren't suppose to. You are selectively blocking what they give you for free. It would be the store giving you a CD for free but they cover up the case with an ad and then you removing the ad and throwing it away.
tomegranate ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:47:37 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Except you would see the ad on the CD once, so it's not the same.
GregorF92 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 17:49:42 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
In that scenario you're physically depriving someone of their property.
That doesn't happen with spotify and host editing.
tomegranate ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 17:54:50 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
If you sneak into the cinema or a concert without paying, you're not depriving someone of their property. Does that mean it's okay?
The film, concert, and streaming music, all take money and effort to produce and supply. Do you think you are entitled to enjoy these things without contributing to their creation?
GregorF92 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 17:59:01 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Both of which are venues with limited capacities, preventing paying customers from accessing them.
Not the same thing.
tomegranate ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:16:51 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
So would it be okay if the concert or film wasn't sold out?
GregorF92 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:32:47 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
If you can 100% guarantee it won't sell out, and don't attempt to enter until after it's already started, I see no issues.
It's still not the same thing though. As I said, venues have limited capacities. Not viewing ads through Spotify doesn't increase the strain on their servers.
tomegranate ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:42:08 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
That's an interesting perspective. Do you think you would feel the same if you were the ticket seller, whose job and livelihood depends on people paying for tickets? Or if you were one of the people who had worked to produce the film? Do you really think in this instance that there are 'no issues' in getting something for free? What do you think would happen if everyone took the same attitude, i.e. take it for free if you can get away with it.
Just listening to music absolutely does increase the strain on the servers, so anyone who is listening without hearing adverts or paying is using something that costs someone else money to provide, without contributing to it.
GregorF92 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 18:50:56 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You would still be listening to the music for free, you're just not listening to the ads. All the host editing does is stop the free version of Spotify from playing the ads.
tomegranate ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:55:34 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Can I check that you understand the adverts help to pay for the service? It costs money to provide the service that you're using. Listening to the adverts is part of 'the deal' by which you get to listen to Spotify for free. If you block ads, you're not contributing anything to 'pay' for the service you use. If everyone chose to do the same thing, Spotify would be commercially unviable and would go out of business.
GregorF92 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:59:19 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
My point is that there's no additional strain on the servers, because you'd still be listening to the music. The only thing you're not listening to is the ads.
So if the ads are being served by spotify's servers, you're actually reducing the strain on the servers.
tomegranate ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:00:52 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I understood the point you were making. The fact remains that if you block ads, you aren't contributing anything at all to pay for the server load, and all the other costs.
GregorF92 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:02:31 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe Spotify shouldn't serve ads is such a stupid fucking way then.
tomegranate ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:06:36 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
If they're so bothersome, stop using the service, or pay for premium. You're not entitled to free streaming music.
GregorF92 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:17:43 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I don't use Spotify at all, and didn't indicate at any point that I do.
tomegranate ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:21:50 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You seemed to be trying to justify using Spotify whilst blocking ads, but whether you do or don't makes zero difference to the points we're arguing over.
[deleted] ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 20:23:04 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Thatโs an astonishingly stupid perspective to have on life.
GregorF92 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:26:41 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It's obviously still wrong, but I meant I see no issues in that you're not actually depriving someone if a physical thing.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:24:04 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I fundamentally disagreed with the โno issuesโ stance which you seem to have a different definition of. Iโm not trying to argue that youโre depriving someone of a physical thing - youโre most certainly not. Although, the company is always worse off overall and thatโs where my โissueโ is. Whether itโs Spotify where youโre using their servers or cinema/movie theatre where youโre using their physical infrastructure without compensation. Itโs universally wrong and unethical, no matter how you try to frame it.
DoctorHorowitz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:39:34 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Trespassing.
sur_surly ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 16:32:58 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It's piracy because you're stealing content.
It's hacking because you modified your system to subvert their only revenue stream from free users. Doesn't matter if the hack was easy or hard, it's still a hack.
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 17:16:10 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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sur_surly ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 17:23:46 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Good question, I don't know for sure. I should also state that I never said hacking was illegal either. Just that it is what it is.
Guess it goes back to idea of trade and bartering. Normally, you exchange money for a good/service. But you can exchange other things too. I could trade you firewood for food, for example. In the world of online content, you can trade the right to consume someone's video/music content in exchange for watching an ad.
Now what if you didn't watch the ad? Is it stealing, since you didn't uphold your end of the agreement, much like if you didn't trade the money in any other barter?
But again, I don't know where the legal line is. Just showing that it could potentially be spun that way.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 14:29:05 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Wow, I knew people did it, but I didn't think that many people did it
sur_surly ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:34:00 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Word of mouth and all that. "Man these ads are terrible." "Just download client X. It's the same player, but no ads."
RealStevenSeagal ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:44:26 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Idk, I pay for it, but their ads are mixed WORSE than local radio. I'll be listening to a piano overture then be blasted in the ears by some awful spotify ad.
They need to get their shit together before they can claim lost profits. Come the fuck on Spotify, don't make the CRTC fix you for you - it's unpleasant and you will lose significant market share.
Your company though, you have every right to sabotage your own success.
utybo ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:17:54 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I still think Spotify is a service worth paying for. Supports the artist, and honestly the apps do their job just fine.
Squat_in_a_corner ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:25:43 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Just sell my data and stop showing me ads already /s.
Nosam88 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:28:03 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Fighting a war they will never ever win
rendangdikecapin ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:59:27 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Spotify is the only bill I actually enjoy paying for each year. I use it every day.
Strugglebus317 ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 14:50:06 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
This is what ruins applications. Stop stealing music. Like seriously, if you canโt afford to pay for an ad free experience, just use the free version.
EDIT: Wow iโm getting down voted over a comment against thievery?
roadrunnersk ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 15:30:16 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Stop using adblock in chrome.
Just to note, I am a legit Spotify subscriber.
Whyevenbotherbeing ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:17:33 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Donโt bother. This thread is 2/3 full of people who will say anything to justify being a thief.
AllIWillSayIs ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 17:14:02 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
And it is unfortunately pathetic. Entitlement at its finest.
fellatious_argument ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:27:30 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I thought it was full of shills who keep trying to equate blocking ads to theft.
Whyevenbotherbeing ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 20:03:59 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yep I have got that comment in reply as well. And to be perfectly honest if they somehow could bottle the entire internet up and sell it to me entirely ad free, but all there, for $10 a month Iโd get that. But as it stands adblocking is a necessity to even use the internet properly, or safely, anymore. Not even close to the same thing.
PM_ME_YOUR_DEBUSSY ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 16:34:32 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Stop stealing, fam...
berock212 ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 20:26:41 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Lol nah
WintendoU ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:42:06 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You have no right to control how people display/listen to content on their end. If your system allows ads to be blocked, too bad.
Your job is to detect and block or allow it. Your choice. Users are not at fault, they have every right to control their devices and how they view/listen to bytes you send them.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 13:34:49 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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reas0nable ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 13:48:45 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
hosts file edit, EZBlocker, AdGuard and so on
mastermumin ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 14:06:28 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
On Android there are modded versions of the app which gives all the "benefits" of premium except offline play, on PC you either modify the hosts file as suggested (easy) or use a proxy in a country that doesn't support Spotify.
h3half ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 13:57:42 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
If you look hard enough you can find hacked .apk files to avoid ads on Android, too
I have premium now but I used to do that, it was pretty nice
Save-Ferris1 ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 14:05:06 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
They've cracked down on those. People using Spotify Dogfood, or similar cracked apk's, were cut off and sent a warning message a couple weeks ago. There was a bit of a freakout by the redditors at r/piracy when it all went down.
mrneo240 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:49:01 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
But what's the end game? If I can just sign up over and over with different emails?
smackythefrog ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:20:18 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You lose playlists and starred songs, which is how I listen to my music, unless it's new music Fridays.
mrneo240 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:45:15 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Ah ok, I just shuffle radio or play albums.
h3half ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:46:16 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I did see the post about Dogfood, but the one I was using was just from a forum thread on xda-developers. I thought maybe the one I used to use didn't get taken down, but I have no evidence for that at all
More power to Spotify I suppose. I wonder why they don't disallow ad blocking? Surely there's some way to spoof that the ads are coming from the same servers as the music meaning most (all?) adblockers wouldn't be able to just block ads
FLAguy954 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 13:58:34 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Flashing MoaAD (mother of all ad blocking)
slaird11 ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 13:58:33 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
They've started cracking down and threatening to ban accounts so it's probably not worth trying anymore.
antonlk ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 14:32:21 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Get Blokada or DNS66. Then search github for Spotify hosts for android.
Temprest ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 00:31:45 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Download spotify from any 3rd party location
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 14:48:39 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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Vurondotron ยท -8 points ยท Posted at 15:04:27 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Then you are wrong for doing that and I hope you get caught.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:36:12 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Caught doing what though? It's not a crime to block ads, even if it may be morally wrong.
NickVSolo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:50:48 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Lol no one gets "caught" for stuff like this
myehia1010 ยท -6 points ยท Posted at 15:08:49 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
But it's experience ๐๐๐ ,And I can't When I have lot's of money ,I won't hesitate to pay
Waff1es ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 18:20:22 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Sounds entitled to me. You can't afford premium but you all don't want ads. Hmmm.... my sympathy fades fast for you.
Edit: ๐๐๐๐๐๐๐๐๐๐๐๐
NickVSolo ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:51:34 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
My view of this is, if it's possible to get free premium why not
Waff1es ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 12:34:35 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You do you, just don't be offended when people call you entitled. That is my main gripe with these kind of threads (and pirating games). People want the benefit of stealing music/games/movies without the stigma attached and they do the weirdest mental gymnastics to justify it.
usuallyclassy69 ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 20:03:29 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I bet you go 65 in the fast lane.
wazups2x ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:59:17 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Watching pirates try to justify what they do always makes me laugh.
RainbowReject ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 04:32:12 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I can't believe the amount of people defending ads in this thread. I will never give up adblocker, ever.
OhGawDuhhh ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 14:27:41 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I pay $15 for Google Play Music All Access for me, my GF and her brother. It includes YouTube Red. Some of my co-workers think I'm crazy for paying for it. I think some folks are just cheap and come up with nonsense excuses for stealing premium products and services. Quit being cheap and pay up.
TotallyExaggerating ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 16:27:25 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I earn $15k a month and cut my own hair to save $35 every 3 weeks! cheapness knows no bounds.
DragosBad ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 15:40:20 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Have you thought for a moment that 15$ isn't that cheap for other countries? I bet the ones who actually block ads on spotify are students or folks from not western rich countries. Paying 15$ for some music is a no brainer for them.
Mochocolate2 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:08:27 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Why pay for music
Iโm 21 years old and I can say that I never paid for music / tv show (expect for cable tv) and movies but I have got notice of copy write ..life is good
intripletime ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:41:20 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Moral arguments aside: convenience, mostly. I downloaded MP3s like crazy back in the day, but Spotify (or any equivalent service I suppose) takes the hassle out of it. Can't be fucked to manually download shit anymore.
NickVSolo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:53:01 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
This
[deleted] ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 17:21:15 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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fellatious_argument ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 18:34:52 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You think musicians make money from record sales? What year do you live in? Are the bathrooms still segregated?
dolphins3 ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 18:48:29 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I think when you buy music directly from an artist, they generally make money off of it, yes. Kind of like how when I subscribe to Spotify, their devs get paid for their work.
fellatious_argument ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:55:44 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
So the spotify devs are artists now?
dolphins3 ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 18:57:36 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Being deliberately obtuse doesn't make you clever, just annoying.
fellatious_argument ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:03:23 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You are being intentionally misleading by saying you want to support the musicians when the only ones being supported are the Spotify shareholders. That's why many musicians have come out against spotify.
https://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/music/news/taylor-swift-and-other-musicians-against-spotify-have-to-accept-streaming-is-final-destination-for-10175941.html
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:58:23 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
But spotify obviously pay the musicians who let them use their songs too. They don't just take them without permission. If musicians feel like spotify aren't paying them enough, then they can remove their songs from spotify.
PM_ME_YO_GAMS_GIRL ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 19:52:52 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I think they get paid too much for what they do anyway.
donutb ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:03:26 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Biased discussion here. Too many teens who wouldn't pay for the subscription even if the ads were perfect
fellatious_argument ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 18:32:06 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah cause it's a shitty service that can be gotten for free from other sources.
donutb ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:41:44 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
if its a shitty service why are you using it for free? pathetic dude. dont reply back cause i wont be notified.
fellatious_argument ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:54:50 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Who said I was? Don't bother giving me special instructions because I will ignore them.
Kytozion ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:18:25 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Seriously. Spotify was built off of torrented ("stolen") music. Even before Spotify or Pandora existed, I torrented every album I wanted, resulting in a 150GB music folder.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:00:16 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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fellatious_argument ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:30:09 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah but they astroturf the shit out of reddit so they come off as the poor victim.
eNaRDe ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:57:05 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
A few weeks ago they somehow blocked all Spotify hacked versions of their app. I doubt that number is 2 million anymore.
UnknowBan ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:59:04 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
we found ways to bypass it, dont worry
eNaRDe ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:06:33 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Im on /r/piracy and didnt see anything new.
UnknowBan ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 16:13:33 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
search for the meta about spotify from a week ago. mobilism apk works
eNaRDe ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 16:16:50 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Cool thanks
blh1003 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:58:46 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
well...better find a better business model...
alexwmagic ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:14:36 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Well the pros of doing so far outweigh the cons.
stevedidWHAT ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:22:09 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe if they took customer service seriously and fixed their bugs people would be willing to pay for premium... Just saying.
wonkey_monkey ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:26:53 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Heaven forfend that people should get to decide what goes into their eyes and ears.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:49:17 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:04:10 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You're not gonna git me, coppa!
jeremyosborne81 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:52:18 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Spotify doesn't realize it doesn't have a product. All it does is deliver music.
MP3 players are better suited to this purpose and don't have ads
tomegranate ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:39:02 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The millions of people using streaming must either have forgotten about mp3 players, or must simply be insane. Right?
jeremyosborne81 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:40:28 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I have no clue why people use music streaming services. Seems like a dumb waste of money to me. Too many podcasts to listen to
The_Paul_Alves ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:05:56 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Nobody wants to listen to ads.
De-Hond ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:31:36 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Free Spotify sucks balls.
TheBossFighter ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:31:37 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah I donโt blame them it plays like 4 ads in a row, shits annoying
NickVSolo ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:48:49 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It was fun while it lasted
Mike072292 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:50:15 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Here I am waiting for another modded apk. I'm paying for Google Music just for YouTube red but hate the Google music layout or app in general. But don't wanna pay for another streaming services.
popperlicious ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:24:16 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
coming from a company that suppresses artists pay, thats kind of rich.
DoctorHorowitz ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 09:50:13 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Ads are the stupidest thing. There's literally no point to dealing with them. I don't think sitting and listening to an ad should be required. I will not be seeking to buy anything because I was pushed into by an ad. This isn't the olden days where I couldn't just look up products or services Im interested in do a little research and than buy the best that fits my desire. Even if an ad might turn me onto a product or service the chances I'll be getting it from the company that put out the ad is low. Because I'll do my research and find one similar I like better.
The stupidest thing is after I research and buy a product I'm fed ads for the shit I already got for weeks. How useful for them to advertise shit I already looked up and bought. Surely I'll buy more.
Archaic and outdated form of business. It's time to put your advertising dollars into improving your product so when I do my research yours is the best one and wins my purchase.
TheGR3EK ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:05:52 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I've pirated anything and everything since I was barely out of pampers but if you're in this thread bitching about ad-free Spotify costing $10 gtfo and go back to street corner shaking your collection plate
UnknowBan ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 15:40:02 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
you guys are just annoying. stop using youtube vanced if you care so much hypocrites
https://i.imgur.com/HvMGG4u.jpg
https://www.reddit.com/r/Piracy/comments/85hhc8/randroid_irl/
Nightlight-Sailor ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:06:16 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Thx
kthnxbai9 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:06:59 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Lol. How can you get so upset about a company? Theyโre not selling anything essential and the cost is just $10/month. Sure, that might be a lot to students but itโs pretty cheap for a professional. Less competition is also bad because then competitors might just raise their prices.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:19:19 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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jms209 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 17:38:05 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Doesn't Spotify/hulu have $5 plan for students? You get both for $5.
https://www.spotify.com/us/student/
LordMcze ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:14:07 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah and most people I know use family plan with their friends so everyone pays around 2-3$ in the end
intripletime ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:37:58 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
If ten bucks a month is too much, someone has bigger things to worry about in their life at the moment than complaining about music streaming
TheCerealKillar ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:07:38 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
How would someone uses Spotify for free without having ads and not relying on shuffle ? Just curious /s
Virtusvitium ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:43:06 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I'm one of those ppl. Please remove shuffle play and you'll have my heart.
thrBladeRunner ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 19:18:04 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
But will they have your wallet? That's the bigger question. Ha.
jordn1751 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:48:30 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
well they still make money if you dont buy premium
Schollmate ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 20:10:14 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Good thing you laughed at that because nobody else was going to
Shnazzyone ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:52:47 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
That's just awful... how are those monsters doing it?! I just have to know, preferably with step by step instructions.
iAkdeniz ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:33:06 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
ITT: Paying users bashing free users
SilentDis ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:11:20 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
There's a 'war' between advertisers and users. There's zero respect from the advertisers side; they will popup, take over, and otherwise harm devices to get your eyeballs.
I've opted out. On all my devices. Pi-hole'd my whole network, and when I leave home, my phone automatically VPNs back to the safety of my home LAN.
I'm sorry, advertisers; you escalated so fast, and I simply do not want your crap hurting my hardware, or my other software. You are not welcome, because of your damaging tactics. You can go ahead and blame the 'few bad apples' all you want; this conversation is done.
You want to advertise to make money, and offer free content. I get that. It's how you make a living. Do it honestly; host those ads off your own domain, your own servers. Take responsibility for your actions, fully. The days of 3rd party advertising are over; if joesblog.com wants to have an advertisment, they can host it off joesblog.com.
That way, when the ad is shitty, and I see it, I know to add your whole domain to my blocklist, and never return.
Fuck_spotify ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:13:09 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yep and I am one of them hahahahaha fuck those niggas
lardblarg ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 20:36:59 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Ayyy
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 15:07:48 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Streaming music is so pleb. Download music and put music on phone. Problem solved.
Amnesys ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 15:21:53 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Music on your phone is so pleb. You need a Hi-Res Lossless portable music player with an external dac and amplifier loaded with only 24-bit FLAC or DSD files.
roadrunnersk ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:31:44 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Don't forget your Monopriceยฉยฎโข Planar Magnetic HiFi Head Enclosure.
HowieHarkonnen ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:20:39 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
And that shit better be toblerone shaped.
-TheBabadook ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:09:05 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Lol
Basalted ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:14:40 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
WOW thats so terrible and unacceptable, I hate people who steal, how do they even do this?
Kytozion ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:33:49 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Because it's not actually stealing? Copyright infringement, sure, but not stealing. World of difference between the two. I've pirated thousands of games, movies and albums in the last 10 years and it effects no one, not even the developers, actors or musicians, as they still get paid doing their initial work.
Downloading a bunch of 1's and 0's on a computer is not stealing.
Basalted ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:48:16 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Pretty sure that is all completely incorrect since the developers own the distribution rights. I was just making a joke though so no worries.
tomegranate ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:57:46 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I believe most of the courts of the world would disagree with you, but by all means keep defining words to suit yourself, that's cool.
If someone has literally no money, I might agree that there is no harm in them pirating digital content, because there's no way they're gonna pay for it. But anyone who has the option to pay really has no excuse and might as well be stealing a physical copy, the outcome is the same.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 18:23:09 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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hwanzi ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 18:26:57 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
or you torrented your music and still do :]
CardboardZebra ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:59:10 on March 25, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Thatโs way more work than paying 10 bucks a month.
hwanzi ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:01:42 on March 25, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
maybe for you
CardboardZebra ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:03:02 on March 25, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Thereโs no way it isnโt more work. Nothing is more convenient than having every single song for 10 dollars a month.
Schollmate ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:34:08 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Never has downloads been possible afaik
thrBladeRunner ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:20:22 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
/u/nugat0rydescripti0n means saving for offline use, which is still downloaded to your phone.
vivek31 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:19:11 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, you download them from limewire then add to itunes and sync up. Before that we used Napster and burned CDs. Now we just download a modified apk that removes the intrusive ads. Great times.
travelsonic ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 00:11:44 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You sound a bit angry... maybe take a breather from the internet, if people disliking intrusive ads, and doing something that might not be good, but might be understandable - has you popping blood vessels THAT easily. You don't need to be that hopping mad to address an issue.
baconredditor ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:40:21 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Fuck the music industry. My music will always be free
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:09:20 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
HOW DARE THESE PEOPLE! Don't they know a CEO out there is going hungry?
starwatto ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:01:54 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
People who pirate and then even act as if they actually have the moral high round in the matter are making me sick.
Would you like to do your work for free because some dude on the web decided that you don't need the money?
eskimoFry ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:39:32 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
If i was being an ass about making money then yeah people will hate me
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:54:48 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah I honestly would be okay with it. If I was already making millions then who gives a shit if some people pirate my stuff. I would just be fine with the fact that people like my work.
we_re_all_dead ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:46:37 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
hi spotify
if u're reading this: fuck you for making your ads un-mutable
theabolitionist ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:59:40 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
So what exactly constitutes someone who avoids ads? I don't use a blocker just a external muter that pops in when ads play. Does Spotify know that people use this or are they referring to people who modify the aps itself? The ads technically play so I'm sure they get revenue.
patn8 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:19:08 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
They're referring to the people who used modded apps to unlock Premium features.
intripletime ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:39:17 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
What you're doing is the equivalent of muting the TV during commercials. Which they obviously cannot possibly stop and is your right to do. They're talking about circumventing the ads altogether.
AwkwardGeorge ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:24:14 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Recording a Spotify ad https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BvQ571eAOZE
semyon2105 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:27:23 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I use the official Spotify app in an unsupported country so I don't even get ads in the first place
CaptainTipper ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:42:41 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I would say Google has definitely helped to reduce the amount of users using the ad-free apks, thanks to Google Home. The GHome is made to strengthen their ecosystem, and Spotify ads play even with ad-free apks meaning premium is a must especially as you can't request specific song without it. I know at least one person (me) who bought premium because if this.
stonecats ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:52:24 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
i don't pay for commercial free tidal
i keep getting new 6 mo trail offers.
afr33think3r ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:59:31 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Spotify has 2 million reasons to try to get those users to pay at least $1 per month.
BubblingMonkey ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:09:59 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Trying out the free trial to see if I want it. Not a big fan of the service, the layout sucks to navigate. Might try others and see what works. Going to try Google Music next, bundles with Red and I use YouTube a hell lot, so it may be worthwhile for me to use Google.
LavishAssassin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:36:04 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I know one of these people.
TheRealPascha ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:50:25 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
https://youtu.be/BvQ571eAOZE
JaxyRod ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:50:53 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The only reason I would see why is because ever since they made it where shuffle playing a album and you wont even get to hear the whole album without hearing another related song, I have ppl who who use services for free premium because of it
btcftw1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:56:34 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Love how spotify automatically suppresses ads because i'm not in a supported country.
Kaiser-101101 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:22:39 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Lads... all two million of them.
csikonwee ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:33:47 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah and I'm paying for premium without really using it.
exoduscheese ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:47:41 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Bull.
That's like when movie companies were claiming they were losing more money from piracy than exists in the world.
sfasu77 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:53:43 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
i was suppressing, but the service is so good i ended up paying.
grenwall ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:54:31 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Using one of those disgusting programs to block out the ads I assume, but which one? There are so many of them! Which one?!
ColdPapers ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:57:14 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I feel like one way to solve this would be to implement a time limit for the free listeners, something like x hours a month with ads. Plus they could have a "featured artist" section or something where a label could pay to have an artist not count against the time limit, so you could listen to all the Bieber or Chainsmokers you want. Then they could have a cheap subscription, like $2/month, that would remove the time limit but keep ads. This would allow them to potentially still make money from the people suppressing ads. Unfortunately, this would most likely hurt smaller and independent artists.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:57:48 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
See this is why someone once said piracy is a distribution problem rather than a pricing problem
Here in india so mamy teens have the pro version modded apk of spotify,if they had made Spotify available here people would have considered paying or atleast not skipping ads.
Melo_cs ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:59:11 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Who cares about ads its just shuffle play for.me only reason i buy the shit
internet_czar ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:01:16 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah it wasn't me... Who are you?! Get away from me!
rusthashbeansc2 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:01:41 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
is anyone else unable to read the add on their website? it appears for about 1 seconds then vanishes to basically an empty page
ByzFan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:01:53 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Only about two million?
Dtank42 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:02:59 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
First thing I did after seeing this was Google how to do it. Was really simple. Thanks for the heads up.
Maxiumite ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:03:34 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
How will they survive!?!?
ClevelandJr ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:04:22 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Man that's messed up. So how is it these scumbags are getting away with it(in detail)?
sergiooooo8 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:05:39 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Bummer, with the student discount the app with hulu included is such a great deal only wish they'd raise how many songs you can download and obviously shuffle.
shiznee ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:06:15 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
That's us.
2coolfordigg ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:07:00 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
When the ads come on I switch to my radio.
Samegerilja ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:07:05 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
If only Spotify would allow us to edit playlists, arranging them in order and stuff.
Denadaguapa ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:07:35 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I just pay $6 a month for Spotify Hulu combo. Itโs great
culdesac611 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:08:09 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
What if the ad servers also served up a cert needed to decrypt the music stream?
Go right ahead and blacklist that ad server...
AplCore ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:09:55 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Turns out I found the Pi-hole builders.
F4nta ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:11:05 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Kinda interesting, as Spotify is one of the few services where I don't feel ripped off when I pay my monthly fee. I guess thats why we can not have nice things
mykoira ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:12:12 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I wonder how much of that is from using ad block on the browser version. I used to do that until I decided to pay the premium to listen on my phone ad free too.
HowieHarkonnen ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:13:26 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I installed Spotify on a Mac running Snow Leopard a year back and to date... hasn't ran a single ad but it plays everything just fine and there's nothing ad-blocky installed on it. Is that a thing? Involuntary ad suppression?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:15:01 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
what Spotify, like all other digital media companies, needs to figure out is how to crack down on piracy without making it super inconvenient for paying users. Hopefully they don't have to go as far as the gaming industry has gone.
Mackan90095 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:17:46 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I can't even read the article, it just completely dissapears :/
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:21:17 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
How would I go about doing this?? Asking for a friend.
DrEvil007 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:24:23 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Wait what.. Suppressing ads without paying?? That's unfortunate. How can I do this??
BornTooSlow ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:26:21 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I'm subscribed to Spotify Premium
My biggest complaint is how crappy the Android App is
It's truly useless and ghastly
BlueWolf934 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:26:23 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
how?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:27:58 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
How?!?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:28:39 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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Magicmatt352 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:31:05 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I am one of those people who will be using Spotify and just turn the volume down for a minute so I won't have to hear the ads.
OnlyHanzo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:33:39 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Spotify has ads? Never heard one.
Kinglink ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:35:07 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Kind of dangerous to announce.... because now everyone knows you CAN suppress ads. Unless they're not talking about the ads on the stream.
There's enough other benefits to premium than just ads, but it is a big one.
T3hoofs ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:38:29 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
.....i legit had no idea that was possible until...just..now. I would imagine other people didn't either. Could this be considered the streisand effect?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:42:53 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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drumsurf ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:05:14 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
me too
C3NO ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:50:01 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I wonder how they do it
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:02:28 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
deleted What is this?
preslavrachev ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:04:14 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Am I the only one who does not see the original article? Looks like they dropped it.
XlexerX ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:06:59 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I'll feel bad about this when their android app isn't trash. Never had an app hang like the spotify app does.
metrize ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:06:59 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
spotify doesn't even have Jay Z... I'm gonna stop paying for this soon and just use google play music where i can actually import my shit a lot better
na_ma_stey ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:28:53 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Whats hulu?
iknighty ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:39:31 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It would be pretty stupid to do anything about this, in the long term it would lose them more money than earn them in increased revenue.
nlitened1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:55:26 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Signed up for a student account.. Not bad with hulu for $5
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:12:45 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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nlitened1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:35:56 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
For students it's Spotify + hulu = $5
neurofluxation ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:57:38 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
That's fucking hilarious.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:01:50 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
For anyone sorting by new comments, download Tweakbox.
Itโs an external app catalogue that can be used by both ios and android users.
Thereโs other shit, but i mainly use it for free spotify and youtube red clients.
Iโm not sure exactly how it works, but itโs a duplicate app that permanently has the subscriptions in place for free, as long as you are using the dupe apps.
lee50_10 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:39:31 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Thanks
Iced_Matcha ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:09:02 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Relevant Gus
shitsouttitsout ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:09:28 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Ugh all these users! Suppressing those ads! It's terrible! But how?! How are they doing it?!?! Ugh.
DoctorWaluigiTime ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:12:33 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Beginning of the end.
itsbryandude ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:15:17 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
OGYoutube still works, but no downloads
Jonshock ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:27:39 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
And here I am just paying for unlimited music with no ads like a sucker.
C0105 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:28:22 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I just exit the app and reenter
TotallyExaggerating ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:36:47 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
because of this alert I became aware of the web player and will use that exclusively now with an ad blocker
genericname1111 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:37:10 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
No shit.
For the record, I guess I'm one of the other millions that actually pay for music. $5/month isn't bad when you have a job......
Qf3ck3r ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:48:27 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Got Spotify with my cell plan, but when I upgraded phones I lost it, and so I thought I'd pay for it and if it was 5euro I might have, but 10euro isn't worth it.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:51:18 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I see an awful lot of complaints. I would just like to say that I love Spotify. Not a single complaint.
juanever ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:06:22 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Hue
KINGic01 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:11:34 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
My friends account got blocked after spotify found out about this.
RustyGonzo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:15:06 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I just switched to GrooveShark instead.
SynisterSylar ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:20:04 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Google music is way better. Better value, more convenient and you can access it on pretty much anything connected to the internet
nattack ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:25:38 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I like spotify for sleep tracks, i don't like spotify for ads in between sleep tracks waking me up. I use it sparingly for actual music.
bagelsforeverx ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:27:18 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Funny because I pay and yet get stupid ads for podcast I never want to hear.
Amircod77 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:27:46 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I bet like 1.5 mil of them are android users.
Like get a family plan for Gods Sake. Just spilt the bill.
RS177 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:32:59 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Is that why I'm seeing a shit ton of ads lately?
Se7enLC ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:39:32 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I can't get this article to even load. Thought maybe it was a self-referential joke about adblockers, but it doens't even load without ad blockers.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:58:04 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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pohuing ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:21:43 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I can't even view it with my adblock disabled
lexa_beliy1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:14:55 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Let me figure out a new way to bypass the system, please hold
SPAZZEH ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:14:59 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
So not enough people then
mrcrassic ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:24:21 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
So assuming that Spotify responds to this by charging Premium users more, what's the upper limit that y'all would be willing to pay to continue your Spotify subscription?
DragonTamerMCT ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:26:20 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Does GPM do ads?
tomegranate ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:26:04 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
GPM doesn't have a free option - apart from streaming your own music that you've already uploaded. That doesn't have ads.
tetsujin44 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:30:37 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It's so easy to do
lllllNAILERlllll ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:38:19 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
So they must be too busy and will forget I got three months for a dollar and changed my bank acct......???
rfrick ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:40:07 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yeeeep.
They caught me..
Big_Porky ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:06:05 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Who gives a fuck
Fangarai ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:17:51 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Ok, how? Some tell me cause im tired of paying
sephrinx ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:30:33 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Whenever an ad comes up I just close Spotify and reopen it. Ads gone. Boom.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:51:57 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Wait, does that work?
sephrinx ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:56:01 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Idk if it is supposed to but it's what I've been doing for like 3 months and it works every time. On Android.
guitargod1174 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:44:48 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I think alot of here us here probably contribute to that number.
cezeone ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:06:41 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I feel like a sucker. Oh well.
unli355 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:32:37 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I used to listen to Spotify while i drove but i developed a weird habit of skipping songs, now i listen to radio and actually enjoy music more because i can't change it.
Poofu ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:44:13 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Spotify has ads?
iDankkk ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:40:47 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
People aren't supporting their artists these days huh
inkd86 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:53:43 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
How? Asking for a friend.... /s
nowise ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:16:40 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Canโt wait to get my Cheaterโs Lament!
introverted_ass ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:27:57 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I received this mail few days ago...
cortmorton ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:02:58 on March 26, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It took about two weeks after I got that same email and they shut my account down. I don't really give a fuck though.
sparr ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:12:25 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Ironically, ghostery and/or ublock causes the content on that Reuters page to not load, just the header and footer.
galacticboy2009 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:31:01 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I never suppressed ads, I just wanted to listen to the songs I wanted to listen to, in the correct order I wanted to listen to them, just like I can on the PC version.
Just saying.
The fact I can't even play an album and trust that only songs from that album will play, because Spotify likes to play "related bands" or "similar songs" inbetween the songs on the actual album you want to listen to.
Skrewie ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:11:55 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I've never understood why the desktop app lets you play any song and skip as many times as you like but the mobile app is like "You gonna listen what I tell you to".
Spotify isn't supported in my country (Albania) so I use VPN to get it and I don't get any ads because of this I guess. I don't know if this is wrong or what.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:30:24 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Rebel scum
xPhilip ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:42:43 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I always used to get an extremely realistic glass breaking sound ad, nearly any time I heard it I thought someone was trying to break into my house.
Now whenever I hear glass breaking I feel like im in danger then I remember spotify. Fuck spotify ads.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:53:51 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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iJONTY85 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:44:46 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
They couldn't put Spotify's ads on it?
real_sadboi ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:49:01 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Meh, I use VLC anyway. It's much better IMO
heydudejustasec ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:31:53 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Aren't these two completely different services? Spotify has its own library of music and it doesn't play anything else. The only thing I can see being able to use both for is podcasts.
assholeness ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:32:37 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Shuffle play is the biggest drawback for me.
iJONTY85 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:54:30 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Who's the 2nd place player in the music streaming business?
zanderstrong ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:03:47 on May 15, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
apple music
Flachbau ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:59:15 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
My only problem with the free version isn't the ads, it's just the forced shuffle play method. I will gladly take 10 or more incredibly loud and unbalanced ads every hour if I were to be able to play the music I actually want to listen to.. keep the limited skips as well.
VengaeesRetjehan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:18:03 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It's misleading and ignorance and I hate it.
I believe that the reason most people pirate the app isn't because of the ads but it's more because of that annoying shuffle playlist! Just throw away that shuffle "feature" and no one's gonna pirate the app anymore.
MoonStache ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:56:24 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Wouldn't mind the ads if it wasn't shuffle only on mobile
hilu1310 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:34:41 on March 25, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Since how many times
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:08:28 on March 25, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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cortmorton ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:56:00 on March 26, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
https://thebaffler.com/salvos/the-problem-with-muzak-pelly
This is a great article. Spotify sucks
CryptoMeThis ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:02:14 on May 17, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
So how do you suppress ad?
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 14:46:50 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:21:29 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 17:04:00 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 15:20:40 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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DevilsProponent ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 17:04:15 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Why the hostility?
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 18:08:45 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
"get fucked spotify!!" continues to use their product
EONS ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 18:50:10 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Shitty company. They complain about everything. They call others anticompetitive then offer non competitive options. They complain about revenue but pay artists the least of all broadcast mediums. They complain about adblocker and lie about user numbers for it. They complain about infringement suits but they don't bother licensing properly.
They fucking suck as a company. The world deserves a better service.
DevilsProponent ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 19:06:18 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Do you have evidence for anything you just said?
Daronmal12 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:49:06 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Just pirate songs and put them on your phone manually, easy.
kennyj2369 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:33:05 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I don't use any modified versions of the app but I block ads because they are fucking annoying.
Sorry but you don't get money from me by making the ad about Spotify Premium the absolute worst garbage on the planet.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:00:52 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not judging but you do realise that blocking the ads has exactly the same consequences as using a modified app for spotify?
MrPijus123 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:00:19 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
They think its acceptable to give us 30s ads every couple songs?
ElementOfJuice ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:48:55 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I'm one of the two million, and I don't feel like stopping anytime soon. The article won't load for me so I can't see if they have a way to combat the hacked versions or not.
BurgerUSA ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:16:31 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
lol
MasterBet ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:49:24 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Proud to be one. No ragrets
GiveMeMoneyOr_Karma ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:43:03 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Lol anyone wanna let me know how to do this?
lardblarg ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:36:42 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Ikr
JChav123 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:44:03 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Spotify used pirated music in it's early days they are complete hypocrites
theCroc ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:45:29 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Did they though?
JChav123 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:55:15 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Apparently they used to use pirated mp3's to launch their app but i might be wrong.
Scorelock ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:44:47 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
How do i get in on that?
Kobeissi2 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:16:49 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I ended up uninstalling Spotify because of the millions of ads + the shuffle only play + them shoving random shit in between tracks + the limited skips. If it was just ads it would be fine, but all this makes it not worth the hassle.
platocplx ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:34:55 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe they need to just come up with a better model if they have 2 million people doing it. Like maybe a lower tier plan and no more free plan. Clearly its not working well lol.
tomegranate ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:56:27 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
There will always be people who are too cheap or too entitled to pay for something, no matter how good the product is or how reasonably priced it is - but then make excuses for themselves.
Derik_D ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:18:02 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
If it was 5 bucks or less they would have a lot more people on it. Remember that in some countries it is 18$.
If they can have it at below 3$ in some countries they certainly can all over.
tomegranate ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:32:28 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
But if they made it 5 bucks less there would still be people saying 'ehhh I would subscribe if they made it cheaper, so I'm gonna carry on taking it for free'. The fact is that it's already at an extremely reasonable price, compared to non-streaming options.
Derik_D ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:38:39 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I know and see a lot of people using YouTube for music, that is also streaming and free. Just a little less convenient because it uses a little more data but with current and future data packs it doesn't make too much of a difference.
slomotheromo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:06:44 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
So fucking what?!!
Satchjr ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:39:24 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I get they need to make money but what I don't get is why 3/4 of their adds are ads about Spotify. How does that make them money?
I'm sorry but even if I had a plan to get "premium" at some point, pestering me about it every chance you get will probably make me change my mind...
prestonbrownlow ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:40:52 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I feel bad but I'm just not paying for music anymore. Don't wanna.
xHarryR ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:44:59 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Spotify is soooooooo cheap.. it's absurd that people don't want to pay for it
MrTinnedPeach ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:59:19 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
How?
Asking for a friend, you know.
Kytozion ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:25:29 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Download Telegram (the instant messaging app), and sign up. Search for Spotify ad free and there will be a group chat that has an apk download. Install it, it's a modified APK of Spotify, no ads, and you can select the exact song you want to play.
hobojoe0858 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:01:03 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Hosts file.
MrPijus123 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:59:45 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Google EZBlocker
vivek31 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:07:40 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Awesome! Keep it up. Ads are a nuisance and are intrusive. Fuck em.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:43:52 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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wickedplayer494 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:47:14 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Ad blocking is a basic security feature.
Plummagetilprolapse ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:20:57 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Well if its free it's free. Loving my unlimited skips and no ads! Anyone who thinks this is morally wrong, fuck you!!!!
Yojimbo4133 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:01:17 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Ads are useless. They annoy me. If I see an ad for coke, I'll go buy a Pepsi just to spite you.
lndw20 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:11:04 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Apple Musics the best
Neil_Fallons_Ghost ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:42:25 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Hey Spotify. Your ads suck, they are annoying and loud and obviously not working out for you.
Maybe you should consider better ways to approach your advertising?
vanteal ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:10:07 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I wouldn't mind ad's one bit on Spotify if they didn't make them so ridiculously intrusive and destroy the enjoyment of listening to music. An ad at the bottom of the screen. Sure, ok....Or even play a single ad when you first open up the desktop app or visit the web player. But don't continuously shove your ad's down my throat in the middle of a song, or between every other song. Don't prevent me from listening to the music I want to listen to when I want to listen to it. Of course, this is all done purposefully to annoy the fuck out of us so we finally just give in and pay the damn monthly fee to get rid of the bullshit. It's a slimy tactic and they've taken it WAY too far...Also, it's easy as fuck for your neighbors to connect to your account if they're within wi-fi range. Even if you have a secure setup...Basically, Spotify can lick me where I pee.
tomegranate ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:19:43 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
If the adverts weren't annoying, what motivation would you have to pay for a paid account?
vanteal ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:28:12 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
There shouldn't have to be any motivation to do so. And even if there was, it shouldn't be to the extreme Spotify has implemented. It's not a choice right now of having ad's or no ad's..It's a choice between having your listening experience destroyed or not having it destroyed.
kosskronos ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:24:30 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Everyone talking about spotify, and I'm over here listening to whatever I want with my Google play subscription that includes my ad free YouTube for 9.99 a month.
BrownKing92 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:39:10 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Because Spotify doesn't release the app to be purchased throughout the world. It's only available in selected markets & that's just lazy. Netflix & Apple Music is available in most of markets then why not Spotify?
dea6cat ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:11:30 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Like you just said, it's laziness.
cadburycartoon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:13:35 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
No itโs licensing, almost all of these issues relate to the music labels, not Spotify.
godutchnow ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:26:18 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Spotify should start blocking unsigned apks and kick these leechers out
alexfrompanama ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 16:26:20 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Can't believe there's people here justifying this behaviour. There's no excuse, Spotify is already really cheap, especially on a Family plan.
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 19:14:09 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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alexfrompanama ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:36:51 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Then you can enjoy their free service.
Edit: Or you can gather a group of 6 friends and divide the cost. Then you'd only need 40 minutes of extra work every month. Worth it.
olishadyx ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:24:22 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Where do you live/work for 5 hours of work to equal a Spotify premium subscription?
hankl9262 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:41:13 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
My problem with Spotify was instead of just having a 30 second ad, they had a 15 second intro to the ad, and then a 15 second outro, making the ad a minute long
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:50:26 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The subscription is so cheap. Just pay for it ya broke asses.
hilltops77 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:13:02 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I'd be happy if the free version on my phone had ads if it let me choose what song I could play. You can do this on PC and tablet, why not mobile?
KingOfDamnation ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:15:29 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Good. More people should try to get it free.
Or1001 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:17:45 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Use YMusic, it's much better and more convenient.
KiNgEyK ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:21:11 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I pay, well worth the money. I also pay for Netflix and Amazon Prime.
sixdust ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:21:57 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I also dont want to hear ads at work for boner pills.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:25:27 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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sixdust ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:19:08 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I seriously do not want to hear them. They come up like every 5 commercials and I have no way of saying I dont want to hear this type of ad.
Toastman04 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:25:55 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Is it possible to learn this power?
negativeyoda ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:31:49 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It's not like Spotify pays artists properly anyway.
rosszboss ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:38:35 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
would it really be that hard to put a 10-20 second block on streaming music when an add is going to be played? Now if a user does skip an add they would be stuck in silence for those seconds. could even make the user app send a request to the servers to start streaming again when the add is nearly over/ended so you know they skipped the add. If they skipped you could just stop playing there music and give them a nice annoying pop up saying, Go Premium! for only...
Sycosys ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:18:33 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
you could just pay for it... what does it cost like 36 bucks a year?
dolphins3 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:19:40 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It's 9.99 a month or 4.99 for students.
Sycosys ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:20:58 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I must be grandfathered into some shit with Pandora then... I swear that is $2.99 a month/once a year 36
still 10 bucks a month for endless music?
deal.
dolphins3 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:49:40 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, it's pretty ridiculous how cheap people can get.
nothingtohidemic ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:20:27 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I am baffled by this thread. I can't believe people think 10 dollars is too much.
TheOriginalSamBell ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:34:15 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
That people are still willing to put up with ads at all baffles me. I banned ad supported TV and radio from my house many years ago and I have a network wide ad blocker (pihole) and additionally browser blocking for ads trackers etc. Do that for some time and you will see how ridiculously obnoxious ads are. I want them banned from the streets also.
Zero_Starlight ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:40:56 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
OK, but how do you support the content you consume? Do you fund Patreon accounts? Ko-Fi? Donate? I dislike ads, but I put up with them because if I don't, the people who work hard to entertain me every damn day are losing out on money that they use to live and continue to create content. There's a difference between hating intrusive ads and being so selfish you're willing to demand things for free.
TheOriginalSamBell ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:46:57 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It's easy for Video with Netflix or Prime. Not so easy for websites, however I like the idea of running cryptominers for them for as long as I am on the site. But as long as websites have 3/4 of the whole site autoplaying video ads and shit like that I'm blocking them, if this makes me a criminal, then so be it.
Zero_Starlight ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:52:55 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
That's why you go for an ad blocker that conforms to respectful ad placement. Ad Block Plus does this, and you can read about it here if you want.
TheOriginalSamBell ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:57:40 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
No you don't understand, I don't want any ads. I hate them all. 95% of websites can go to hell anyway if you ask me.
Zero_Starlight ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:01:00 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I feel you're being unreasonable. Why can't you compromise and meet ads halfway? Use an adblocker that allows non-intrusive ads that won't take up 3/4 of the whole site, and then you're still supporting creators and sites, but also fighting back against the intrusive ads. There's no need to go full holocaust on ads.
l_lawliot ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:37:05 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
IIT: Piracy is bad, mkay?
Waff1es ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:22:39 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
ITT**: I want my premium music, and I want it free (insert hollow statement about how you are taking a stand against Big Media).
MarioKartGuy27 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:17:18 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Well yeah. Fuck ads. If theres a way to block them without paying, then either deal with it or fix your system.
Reddithian ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:18:22 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Lot of people in here seem to think that they should be allowed to listen to music for free. "the mobile app is totally unusable unless you pay for it". Um, yeah, they're selling a product. You don't want to pay for a product? Fine, you don't get that product.
nauticalsandwich ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:20:41 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
If you're making more than $20,000 per year and you listen to music on Spotify for more than 6 hours per month, and you dont consider $10 worth it to hear ad-free music, I don't understand you.
TheFarmingBunny ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:24:44 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
good. i dont block ads but i still use a modded spotify cause the mobile business model they use is fucking awful.
Liberal_irony ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:28:20 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The next 30 minutes are ad free... Yeah, sure they are..
Darthbane8488 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:29:11 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Oh boo hoo
MrShekelstein21 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:48:03 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Only 2 million?
We need to just cut the crap and ban advertisements already.
It's obvious nobody wants them and they're all dishonest on top of that.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:52:19 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
If you don't want the ads, pay for it. End of story.
MrShekelstein21 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:02:57 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Or we can ban ads and make the paid option the only option.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:07:29 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Oh, sorry if that's what you meant then yes I agree 100%!
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 18:49:48 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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MrShekelstein21 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:02:17 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I don't mind that at all.
Hannisco ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:51:58 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
more power to them!
ItsJustGizmo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:53:22 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
How do people actually do this?
Asking for a mate..
BrownMofo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:56:06 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
how
Pascalwb ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:06:49 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Well adblock exists.
FTXScrappy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:12:51 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Love how people/artists complain about not making money from digital downloads because they're not satisfied with those couple of millions that they already made.
On the other hand, how about artists make their money by actually performing live, a shocker I know right? If people were able to survive in the past with just live performances, why couldn't artists make a living from it now?
Dedicated fans will go to concerts and I'm pretty sure even if it's just 1 or 2 tours a year it should make them quite a bit off money, not just the artists but also the staff. Bought CDs and digital purchases are just icing on the cake.
Avarice21 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:29:12 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Good. No one likes ads.
Netw3 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:30:18 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I'm one of those 2million lol
Shakespeares_Nan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:34:00 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe if the ads weren't so obnoxious and disruptive then people wouldn't be so quick to block them.
krispness ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:09:57 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Most of the ads are about Spotify premium, that's what's obnoxious to me. I don't care about listening to an actual ad so much as being reminded they're putting in ads to worsen the experience so you pay up.
Shakespeares_Nan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:18:46 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Its probably regional but I get a lot of really crappy ads for UK companies. The voiceovers are extremely grating and the noises in the ads are horrible. I wouldn't mind listening to ads if they weren't so much like nails on a chalkboard.
krispness ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:46:12 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I'm in Canada, none of my ads have been exceptionally annoying. It's either been a greek song I actually like over a yogurt ad or Ready Player One, which I don't mind because it has the Back to the future theme. But 90% of them are spotify premium ads and it's gotten annoying. Maybe there's not enough advertisers in Canada.
JaySavvy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:47:40 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:50:56 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Am I the only guy on the planet that just stores all my favourite music as MP3's (By downloading them from Youtube, or other sources online) then stores them on my phone, and listens to it direct?
Kytozion ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:27:53 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
No, I started back in 2004, torrenting whole albums from my favorite artists. I still do it, whole music collection is now 150GB. I use Plex to stream to my phones and Xbox. Basically running my own Netflix and Spotify from my computer.
JimJimJimBob ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:01:24 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I'm one
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:01:48 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
If Facebook, Cambridge Analytica, AggregateIQ, Brexit, Russia, Donald Trump, and the GOP have taught me anything, it's to make sure I use a good ad blocker.
kylenigga ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:12:48 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Good
JustForThisSub321 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:25:08 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
That's awful! Just Terrible!
And there's so many of them? God, which service do they use to do this? I mean there must be so many, any one, any which one is just awful! Let me know so I can avoid it
Ann_OMally ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:48:23 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Oh my gosh, how could they do that?!?
I mean literally. Step by step.
Kytozion ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:54:09 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Download Telegram (the instant messaging app), and sign up. Search for Spotify ad free and there will be a group chat that has an apk download. Install it, it's a modified APK of Spotify, no ads, and you can select the exact song you want to play.
Ann_OMally ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:12:57 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You da real MVP
lee50_10 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:37:44 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Thanks
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:54:55 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
And remember, ads are part of how the musicians get paid, so when people talk about how Spotify doesn't pay the artists well enough, this is a contributing factor.
Kytozion ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:05:26 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
That's incorrect. Copyright holders (not artists) are paid between $0.006 and $0.0084 per stream. Ads are how Spotify makes their own money when you're not paying them $10 a month. Basically, you're paying them $10 to not show you ads, but I can block the ads myself, so why would I pay them $10 to do that for me?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:23:18 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
That rate is funded by spotifys income. They make less, the payouts drop. Simple. Where do you think they get the money to pay the artists?
tomegranate ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:36:55 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Because you're an intelligent adult with a sense of personal responsibility? Oh wait.
iAkdeniz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:27:24 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Oh wow look at you intelligent adult with a sense of responsibility. I'm sure that guy will now get an active subscription.
tomegranate ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:12:42 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I don't give a shit whether he does or not, I was just answering his question.
FairlyBenevolent ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:18:04 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
That's me. Thanks, Spotify, but you don't provide the same value per $$ that Netflix does for me. Fix the pricing and I'll throw you some moolah.
tomegranate ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:34:25 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
That's a stupid comparison. Do you expect everything to be priced specifically according to its value to you? That's not how, uh... the world, works. Different things cost what they cost for a lot of reasons.
Darkencypher ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:58:06 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I hope Spotify doesnโt go away. Theyโre the only service with decent lofi hip hop.
downztiger ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:40:02 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You heard of SoundCloud?
Darkencypher ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:59:12 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Seems like it wonโt be around for long tbh
downztiger ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:20:09 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
What makes you say that?
Darkencypher ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:25:30 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
SoundCloud has been having problems with money. Hereโs an article from last year talking about a new ceo and an investment from a bank. https://www.engadget.com/2017/08/11/soundcloud-isnt-shutting-down-yet/
They cut their work force by 40% and had to borrow 70 mill.
Itโs good for now, but for how long?
downztiger ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:24:48 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I just really miss grooveshark man. Spotify, GPM, and AM definitely played a role in its shut down.
newmetaplank ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:00:00 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
People mute ads, use AdBlock on browser and change stations on Radio/TV when a Ad comes up but when I get a application on my super expensive handheld computer to stop playing ads while I try not to murder every slow driver on my way back from work, I'm the asshole. I obviously don't need a fucking Ford I'm driving home, please don't play the Ad a 3rd time in a row spotify.
I'm just fucking unable to handle any more ads, there's some at work, on the road, in my emails, in my mail like fuck. I'd rather "steal" than become any more of a product.
tomegranate ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:28:31 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
So don't use a free service that is ad-supported. Or pay for the ad-free version.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:53:59 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Well, some people are unwilling to pay. You can't consider them potential customers
tomegranate ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 12:02:43 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
No, you can consider them leeches.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 12:03:25 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Nothing wrong with that.
tomegranate ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:07:47 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Nothing wrong with being a leech?
newmetaplank ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:23:17 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
If you skipped 1 ad on TV once you do literally the same as me. TV uses ads as business model same way Spotify does. Spotify just tries harder to stop you skipping all ads. You've never ripped music off Youtube? LimeWire? Watch bootleg youtube channels? Pirate GoT?
I'm just willing to go the extra mile to get what I want with out settling. Besides.. 10$ a month is not worth it everyone just got a little comfortable for a second. A gym membership is 10$ a month and comes with unlimited free music, showers, lockers, water..
Businesses are not here to be our friends. They are fucking consumers left and right and there's no need to feel bad for taking a little of the blanket back. I'm not taking anything from anyone.
You should be able to understand services like Spotify only exist because people have been downloading to music illegally for years? Its a service of convenience, they don't sell you music that shit has been free. Get off your tiny little horse b
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 12:26:08 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yes. There is no "honor system" when it comes to money.
Maybe spotify should ask these people why they wont to pay.
The answers are going to be
Its expensive
I'm just a kid
I dont have a job
It's not going to be"haha I'm gaming the system" "These guys suk"
tomegranate ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:22:26 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You have pretty warped values my friend. A leech is somebody who takes something without giving anything back. Just because you can't afford something, doesn't mean you should get it for free, when it takes someone time and effort to create it. That's not the way the world works.
radfordra1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:17:26 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The reason you hear the same as over and over again is the Ad block, advertisers donโt trust online advertising due to ad block. Then again sites that give you intrusive unskippable ads are evil too and should be taken out back and shot.
squoril ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:14:51 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
i really like how hulu makes you sit through a blank screen the length of the ad to contemplate the merits of blocking ads
newmetaplank ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 22:38:29 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Well this is in my car on my commute to work. The radio is horrible here and its still better vs Spotify free. Not gonna settle over moral obligation to some rich fellas
radfordra1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:51:50 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Iโm not trying to defend the advertising structure, but thatโs why you get what you get.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:44:13 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, well fuck spotify, I never get a full 30 min of ad free music anyway.
fuckyocouch4 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:47:55 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Fucking ads louder than the music volume, fuck you Spotify.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:11:10 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
And the problem is?
Panduabinugraha ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:13:40 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
fuck spotify, seriously
KinkyFraggle ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:16:53 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
it has been 2 months since I've called my premium subscription, I haven't lost any of the benefits.
lowrads ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:19:20 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Don't they push ads to paying users anyway?
Rens2805 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:39:36 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
No they don't, that the train Reason I pay, that and downloads
DreadknotX ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:48:27 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
If I was an artist I would get mad about this but Iโm not. Tutu app try it guys
seeking101 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:04:49 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Im an artist and Im not mad because i make art to express myself and touch others. Money is a nice perk, but its not why I am an artist
downztiger ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 01:24:24 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Spoken like a true amateur. /s
warriorofpie ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:10:21 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Of course we did, we open the app for music, not ads!
alligatorterror ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:31:42 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Time to find out how.
DanGarion ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:32:47 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Cry me a river.
thenoblitt ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:09:41 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
maybe if I didn't have to hear that fucking god awful carls jr bacon western cheeseburger whooofuckingweee ad over and over again.
dolphins3 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:11:56 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Lucky for you there's an option for that! https://www.spotify.com/premium/
thenoblitt ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:12:53 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
or I could say fuck spotify and their shady practices and not paying artists the money they deserve and I buy the music directly from artists.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:59:44 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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thenoblitt ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:53:09 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Because I don't own an iphone and I can put all my songs on there from my computer and it's better than windows media player.
Brode-Sword ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:37:46 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Well ya know you hear the app say "the next 30 minutes are ad free thanks to the following sponsor"... 2 songs later and you get 3 ads before you can listen to the 3rd song
Benito_Mussolini ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:11:45 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Oh boy, here I go getting rid of more ads again.
bornfrustrated ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:13:58 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It doesn't pay the artists so fuck it. I'll go to a show and buy a record if I want to support.
cadburycartoon ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:12:56 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
So fuck the devs that build and maintain the service too? If youโre pissed about artist compensation protest the record companies.
bornfrustrated ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:02:24 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I appreciate their work to make the art accessible. Ads pay those devs handsomely. The best way to pay the artist is to buy something cash so they can tour and record. They make no net profit and go back to the service industry job they have.
cadburycartoon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:14:25 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Youโre wrong, Spotify made less than $500M on ads vs almost $3b on premium. Free isnโt meant to act as a product, itโs a trial without an expiration to act as a gateway to premium. I would also suspect that that ad revenue didnโt even cover the royalties for the music. And aside from devs and licensing Spotify also has to pay for offices, infrastructure, content curation, etc etc.
And expecting artists to have a second service industry job to offset your frugality is just insulting, I legitimately hope those arenโt your true feelings.
EDIT; mis-read your last comment, sorry, but I think that if we really care about artists then we should demand better compensation from their labels, thatโs not Spotifyโs fault. I also think that Spotify should implement a pay on play system where my $ only goes to the artists I play.
SolarClipz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:33:57 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You damn right!
LordHeezy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:47:11 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Iโm one of them ๐คท๐ฝโโ๏ธ๐คท๐ฝโโ๏ธ๐คท๐ฝโโ๏ธ๐คท๐ฝโโ๏ธ no ads for free ๐
Carlooos_uhhuh ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:43:46 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
How does one do this?
t184256 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:37:45 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
If their API allows that, why do they cry about that? They're kinda asking for it.
morriscey ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 16:29:40 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
spotify is fucking terrible anyway
Waff1es ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:24:53 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
But good enough to steal from them.
morriscey ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:27:38 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I have a paid account to spotify from my wife's family plan, and I still vastly prefer google play music free.
So yeah - Spotify is fucking terrible.
โฅ
Waff1es ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:46:38 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Ok. So let just agree that spotify is terrible. Why does that justify getting their services for free?
morriscey ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:06:59 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Lol I never said it did.
I was just saying spotify is garbage to begin with.
Waff1es ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:16:57 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Sorry but there is an implication in saying that in a thread about people taking advantage of a service and trying to justify it.
silversonic99 ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 19:54:29 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It isn't stealing . We are both being sent the same information. I'm not taking any extra information. The only difference is that while you pay them to unblock, I block it myself. Why would I pay them for something I can do myself?
Big_D_yup ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:20:13 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I want to be 2,000,001. Link please. Nonrooted.
arkile ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 01:24:27 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Shame on users who can't pay a little for such a great product.
barelyblurred ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:56:17 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Why don't people just get premium.. It is dirt cheap considering what you get..
NickVSolo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:53:50 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Some people can't afford
acme76 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:57:22 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Could not care less. Spotify is shit.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 22:03:35 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Good. Fcuk their shitty ads.
Gandar54 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 22:59:35 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Fucking duh, make your ads even 10% less intrusive and you'd see that number drop. It's really funny seeing all of the people in here complaining about pirates and arguing for Spotify. It's Spotify's job to provide a platform that doesn't induce piracy. If they fail at that job and it hurts the artist, then artists and/or labels should be pulling rights. Any legal action should be laid directly on spotify for allowing their app to be broken in such a way. But nope, the american people never go out of business, might as well milk them.
Washington_Fitz ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:29:17 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Why is it on Spotify for consumers not to steal?
Bens_Dream ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 16:15:21 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
hi it me
Spotify can go to hell tbh they're not getting my money. I'm not a "revenue loss" - If I couldn't pirate their app I'd just use something else
ccable827 ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 15:40:14 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Hey. Guys. Either pay for Spotify or listen to the adds. Be responsible citizens. Yeah.
DatAintMayoDawg ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 16:24:59 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Aaaaaaand this is why apps are shit on android
themiddlestHaHa ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 16:55:46 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I can't imagine anyone using Spotify when Google music is same price, and comes with add free YouTube.
_skeletontoucher ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 17:36:37 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
good. fuck advertisements.
Waff1es ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:26:57 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Don't use the service then. Oh, you want your cake and eat it too.
pharmaceus ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 18:25:09 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Then don't have ads.
Spotify gets greedy and whines about people using solutions to circumvent their crap.
Fuck Spotify.
HAYS74K ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 20:15:15 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Its only $10 a month people, pay it. Simple.
starfox64_0 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 14:42:13 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I wish I had an idea on how to do this. I used to love listening to Spotify but had to stop because every time I would use it I wouldnโt get any music after 1 song and would instead have ads shoved down my throat continually till I turned it off.
skyesdow ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:25:13 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yep, we are.
Kokuei05 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:42:00 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Honestly if they made the ads actually tolerable, I'm sure half the people who use it just because of ads will disappear.
Make the ads not a choice but each ads you manually click and watch ads like 20-30 min to the total you can listen to. You can watch/listen to ads to a max of 4 hours before you need to spend that time listening. You can't accumulate more time than that.
sonybravo ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:42:00 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
having an advert every fuckin 30 minutes is annoying...
chokey99 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:45:09 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Regulate advert loudness. Makes free version less obnoxious.
zeen516 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:51:31 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Good, tell then to fix the bugs. I pay premium and the only reason I keep paying is cause I can't live without music. But if I found a better music service that's who I'll be switching to. The app doesn't work all that great for me unfortunately
plasticarmyman ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:53:06 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I use the app from Fdroid that replaces ads with RnM Intergalactic Cable commercials....WAY better ads
Kandoh ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:04:50 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I could have lived with the ads no problem. Annoying, especially when their just ads for Spotify premium, but whatever. Not being able to listen to one song on loop for a week until I got sick of it though forced me to go premium.
smanar ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:12:38 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
i miss the times when adblock was enough to get rid of web.spotify ads :(
ErykDante ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:18:32 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
How are the users suppressing the ads?
wheresmyhouse ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:31:27 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Wait, I've been paying this whole time and someone came up with an ad-blocker?
biggietalls ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:32:51 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
That is despicable! How could people do this with a clear conscience? But how though? How do you hack Spotify?
restless_oblivion ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:36:24 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
please don't make us use deezer
st0rmbr1ng3r ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:36:59 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Aww, bless their hearts.
Wwwi7891 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:37:30 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Good.
-ordinary ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:42:05 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Suppressing ads how?
BurningIgnis ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:46:55 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I would listen to the ads but Android auto literally blocks them. If I launch Spotify through Android auto I never get ads but if I want it through the app and don't open Android auto I get normal ads.
Sharpticktack ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:58:18 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
LOL. Shit sorry guys.
Zeloticus ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:04:12 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Aye!
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:05:02 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Wait that's an option?!?
BoNana25 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:05:45 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Welcome to the internet, Spotify.
antifolkhero ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:12:32 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
How would one do that?
Slayzee ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:14:37 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Downloading music will always be better. No data wasted, and you can keep it offline. No need to buy a data plan for your phone as well + spotify premium. Just seems like a huge waste of money. Also if you listen to a lot of obscure music like me, pretty much all of those artists won't be found on spotify.
jms209 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:36:51 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I do the same, not interested in streaming music services. Korean/Japanese music is hit or miss most of the time on Spotify.
Slayzee ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:09:38 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I use YMusic, which is essentially a YT music player with a built in downloader. I use it to save albums everyday and is absolutely fantastic. Several file formats are available as well so you can save in smaller formats in case you have little space/download a lot of music.
CTeam19 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:16:41 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I can see it. I hate the Spotify Premium ads and the ads for other music telling me to listen to some other artist.
moogoesthecat ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:20:55 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Guilty.
CriminalMacabre ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:26:13 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
if your free service suck ass...
dolphins3 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:58:52 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe you should shell out for premium then.
CriminalMacabre ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 18:00:15 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I used to once on a while, but I stopped when their free started sucking ass. I can't bring myself to contract with such douchebags
dolphins3 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:10:13 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
That's hilariously childish.
thrBladeRunner ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:17:52 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
What do you mean? They want money. That's wrong.
CriminalMacabre ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:26:33 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Why? I don't like how a company does his business, I don't buy. In fact I don't use free because it sucks ass, and I don't use modified apks. The childish part would be the latter.
Waff1es ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:26:06 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Wow, what a poor excuse. Just say you're entitled. You'll feel better acknowledging who you really are.
CriminalMacabre ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:28:36 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Funny thing about that. Consumers are entitled to things. It's like it was something bad. BAWWW YOU [colective] ARE SO ENTITLED. Then no wonder companies just treat you like shit and when you file a complain call you entitled. Basically because people like you.
Waff1es ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:45:00 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Your option as a consumer is this: use a product under the conditions the company set forward or don't use the product. There is no law forcing you to use the product. If you feel like a company is treating you like shit, drop the product. The fact that people still use spotify and avoid ads (thus incurring licensing and server fees on spotify) reeks of entitlement. The only moral thing is to not use the service.
CriminalMacabre ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:46:25 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
correct, i don't use the product in the terms they stablish
i don't avoid ads, you might have misunderstand me
Waff1es ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:48:13 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
If I'm misunderstanding you, I apologize for that. I am referring the the 2 million people who use their service while suppressing ads.
CriminalMacabre ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:50:14 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
i agree, they are being childish
it would send a stronger message to see a drop in free users. There's a lot of alternatives to spotify (but they suck even more)
supercow21 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:28:34 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I can't hear anything lower than 320kbps so I don't bother with spotify.
leftyrightalayo ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:30:54 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I do the same thing on Pandora
Hanoverview ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:31:57 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
yea its not like they do ads based on what you feel . listening for heartbrake music for 30sec ? have a ad based on that ..
FaberLoomis ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:32:47 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It's almost like, and hear me out, people don't like ads.
TheOneMaster420 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:37:55 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Honestly, I'd be fine with the ads on Spotify. The only reason I don't want to pay for Spotify is the fact that on mobile you're only allowed to shuffle play songs. This seems to be there for the sole purpose of pissing people off so that they pay for premium. Its not even a thing for free spotify if you're using it on your pc.
thrBladeRunner ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:19:28 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It's an incentive to get you to buy premium. Why is that wrong? If they offered everything for free, why would anyone pay?
DrewTheHobo ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:39:01 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
What if they made the subscription price cheaper? Market it as "it's only $5/mo why not?"
dolphins3 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:00:07 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
It already is dirt cheap, it's only $10, and $5 for students.
DrewTheHobo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:17:44 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
While true, I feel like they aren't advertising to people who don't already use Spotify. I wasn't necessarily saying lower it to $5, but having an introductory trial period at a cheaper rate so it doesn't go free>$10 after a month. Couple that with better marketing and I think it'd help get more customers.
Some people worry about $10/month when they don't know enough about Spotify. For us on the inside of course it's worth it, but for them, it's an unknown expense (Ignoring the fact that $10 is a lot for some people with tight budgets).
My dad and sister only really know anything about Spotify from me trying to get them to use it. They dont really know the difference between free and paid, because they never see any ads explaining why they should pay for it.
All they hear is me tryining to get them on board.
Shlongus ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:39:02 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I will continue to use the software I use to block ads. They are so disruptive why not make them all music based so they blend with the music you listen to so it's not so awkward
doglywolf ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:40:26 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe if spottily would play more then the same 15 songs on a channel for weeks at a time it would be worth paying for.
airbert ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:42:33 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I wasn't me...
meatballsnjam ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:45:14 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Then who were you?
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:42:35 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Lol I so don't care about suppressing the ads
TheRealTres ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:44:16 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
i can only speak for myself. but i will mute, remove headphones, or give myself a concussion to avoid listening to the same 3 loud ass ads repeatedly all day. fuck that insanity.
Jorwy ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:46:50 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Iโve given up on even using Spotify (mobile version; never used the desktop version). The ads are obnoxious, limited skips and not being able to choose a specific song all became to much for me. The app felt pretty much unusable to me unless I payed the $10 monthly fee.
I much prefer the amazon music app. The membership (I donโt remember what they call it) only costs $8 a month for all the same stuff Spotify premium gets you. Plus in my experience, amazon has more songs available (Not counting the hundreds of different versions of random songs, soundtracks, artists no one has ever hear of and other obscure things that arenโt actually music that Spotify offers).
Overall, if you canโt deal with the free version of Spotify, you should look at amazon before buying a premium membership.
NickTDesigns ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:50:53 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Probably because there's 3 of them and they all promote Spotify premium
Mochocolate2 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:45:53 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I listen to mostly old rap and jazz music which u canโt find in music streaming apps and for movies I spend 15-20 for DVD that I will only use once
Just_Rawr ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:55:44 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I use the modded apk because I'm only 16 and don't get pocket Money or anything and nowhere near me hires until the age of 17. My account has already been suspended.
I hate that only mobile devices have the shuffle issue it's horrendous especially listening to a playlist with 200 songs and I'm only in the mood for listening to a certain song. While tablets and pc get free reign other than adverts with can be stopped with adblock.
I've used deezer but I prefer Spotify.
Ive been using an open source YouTube so I can lock my phone while listening to songs with it stopping it's so bad but it'll do till Spotify stops shitting on mobile.
tomegranate ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:37:50 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
If you can't afford a paid account, use the free version with ads, or just don't use it at all. You aren't entitled to free music streaming.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:11:40 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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tomegranate ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:59:20 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Stop visiting the sites then. No-one is forcing you to visit them and you don't need to visit them to survive. Visit other sites that don't have ads and malware. You absolutely don't need to use Spotify if you don't like all that comes with it.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:01:54 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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tomegranate ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:10:45 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not defending the ads, I'm just saying that if you don't like them, don't visit the websites. Stick to websites that don't use objectionable ads.
Yes, and if people did that websites might start to consider dropping intrusive ads! Trying to circumvent ads just continues an arms race, whilst conveniently getting you want you want for free.
For what it's worth, I've been online for about 20 years, never used an adblocker, and never knowingly had a meaningful problem that arose from website ads, either on many versions of Windows, Android or Chrome OS. No email or social accounts compromised, no internet banking problems, no-one intruding in my tax or utilities accounts. I'm not saying there aren't dangers, but I do suspect people overstate the problem to justify their browsing preferences.
Just_Rawr ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:46:48 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I never said I was, I use the free version...I'm just complaining about the shuffle feature on mobile.
Nuggetson12342 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:01:34 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I do it
givemethreesteps ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:22:07 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Had not used Spotify in years since we have an extensive private library. But reading this thread prompted me to load the app, request a new password, and search for "Pink Martini".
It has done a marvelous job staying with the group and no extraneous tracks at all. The ads are not THAT intrusive nor frequent. I don't understand why this is such a thing. Just use the free app as intended or subscribe.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:00:27 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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tomegranate ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:54:43 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Alternative solution, stop using the service or pay for it.
WalMartSkills ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:37:10 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
This is why I like having a jailbroken iphone, all my music is free and it comes right from the itunes store so its perfect quality and it goes right into my music app to play in offline mode. "Too difficult" you say? All it took was 1 tweak download from cydia and I get free music for life, ad-free...
And another cool feature is that I can download another tweak that will block any and all ads from any source...All app ads, all game ads, all any ads are ALL gone...
McGirton ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:39:49 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Spotify sucks.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:44:10 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I am so anti-ad. If I want to buy something, I will research for said items and make a choice. Literally brainwashing my subconscious by playing ads, especially the same ads over and over and over again, is toxic.
One thing that has been pissing me off lately is how I've had to start using Hulu instead of Netflix because of certain shows being switched over. Unlike Netflix, Hulu makes you watch ads. Well I have ad-blocker but, Hulu forces me to watch a black screen for anywhere from 60-120~~ seconds with a message about how they need ads for revenue. I gladly watch that screen instead of an ad... but here's the catch: sometimes that screen will just freeze causing me to reload the page which makes the episode restart. This happens on all of my devices, and I am starting to think they code it to act that way. It's fucking disgusting.
Ads should not be a company's way of making money. Quality content should be.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:48:52 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You know Hulu offers a no ad subscription right?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:52:01 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yes I do but I'm poor and use the spotify student package which includes Hulu.
krispness ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:06:38 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I love the people who act asbif theyce taken a moral high ground against ads and then willingly admit they don't pay for the content because they're cheap and/or lazy. You watch a black screen out of spite while saying you're too smart to be brain washed by ads. You do realize if you're as smart as you think, you can watch an ad without being brainwashed, or pay as they give you the option. Or just be content with stealing instead of bragging about it on reddit as if anyone would be impressed.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:10:27 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I do realize all of that. But I already pay enough in my mind. I don't see why you think I'm taking a moral highground by simply being against ads. I am against ads everywhere. I don't think that's how a company should make their money or be noticed.
krispness ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:45:06 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
How would you have them make money then if they have a premium option? If they were not to make money off ads then there would be no free version.
walnutz824 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:45:03 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
They have a modified apk file , download it. Have fun
IGotToGetUpEarly ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:46:08 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Didn't they recently shut that down?
walnutz824 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:47:25 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
No... Depends where you look... Don't update the app don't login enjoy ! Had for months with no issue. Also recently downloaded for friend about a week ago once again no issues...
Fabled-fox ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:46:45 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I just switched to Apple Music ๐
lamesar ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:15:50 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Itโs $5 for students, and you get Hulu. Any .edu email will work. I feel like itโs more trouble to steal than just subscribe, but I suppose I am wrong in this situation. Lol
TacoOfGod ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:15:59 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I was one of those until maybe two weeks ago when my modded app stopped working. I've used Spotify maybe twice in the last eight months. I keep my music on my phone and only stream on road trips or vacations with other people in the car.
Given my rare usage, it made no sense to buy Premium. And also given my rare usage, I wasn't going to put up with bullshit like limited skips.
Hell, even if I used it a lot, I still wouldn't put up with limited skips, that's why I keep my music on my phone. I get unlimited skips!
Mattson ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:24:55 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I have a question... I currently subscribe to spotify.
Do people without a subscription get the same content I do as a subscriber but with ads?
The only reason I subscribed is because I thought it gave me access to more music but if the only difference is ads I think I may cancel my subscription too and do what these guys are doing.
DynamicDonkey0 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:30:06 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The only perks you get from paying are ad-free, unlimited skips, and playing any track instead of waiting for it in a playlist.
Mattson ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:34:12 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Ah okay... looks like I am staying subscribed.
How is Google Play Music compared to Spotify? More and more of my friends are suggesting I get google play music... is it worth making the jump?
DynamicDonkey0 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:43:29 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Personally, I find it worse. I only use the app to import my own music from
Other Sourcesmy music collection.tomegranate ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:49:11 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I found the music selection roughly the same, but the GPM Android app is pretty annoying.
mikeymop ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:18:13 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
If every site showed less ads ads would have to be worth more and the net would be better. Content makers need to stop selling out.
HeinousTy ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 22:46:15 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Well. We don't like ads.
tomegranate ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 00:24:56 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
So don't use a free service that is supported by ads. Buy MP3s, listen to CDs, or just hum yourself a jaunty tune instead.
HeinousTy ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:40:49 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
No
WildShiva ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:14:49 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Or do the fuck that you want. You know Internet is still free.
tomegranate ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:13:35 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, and all the people who produce the content on the internet work for free, right? Oh wait
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:49:00 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Who cares lol. Are we supposed to give a shot about "artists".
If they can't make money, maybe they should scrub toilets or so some other job. /spoken like a true conservative
tomegranate ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:06:49 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Are you 14 years old? If you enjoy music, or webpages, it is plainly obvious that its in your interest to support the people who produce it for you. Unless you are a child or a moron.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:22:02 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Some people can't afford that or don't want to pay and still get stuff.
I personally haven't been listening to new music or things for over a year now.
For the rest, I sometimes listen to music over youtube.
Guess I'm not the target market of spotify
tomegranate ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:19:30 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
So? I can't afford a private jet, should I be given one for free?
HeinousTy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:27:24 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
If you can then why not?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:26:24 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yes /s
That's not what I am saying. It's not about being given stuff. It's about taking stuff without paying.
Imho, nothing wrong with piracy because the victim are rich people.
They can afford to host 2 million people who can't pay. Call it "supporting the poor".
;)
Don't blame the player, blame the game.
rodymacedo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:08:14 on March 25, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The most idiot thing I read today.
WildShiva ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:40:32 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I produce content on Internet and never had received any penny from it. I'm OK with that. But I don't call this work
alternateldog ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 02:04:47 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Pause ad, close out Spotify, reopen Spotify, press play, no ad. Takes like 3 seconds.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:43:57 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Active adblocking with router, takes 0 seconds.
alternateldog ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:05:25 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
This works on mobile without wifi
jed_gaming ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 02:07:41 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I barely use Spotify, mainly because I can't stand subscription services but also because I really dislike ads. That shuffle play only for free tier on mobile is ridiculous too. I will always prefer one time payments. All I use Spotify for is music discovery then buy those songs on iTunes/Google Play Music or if they're obscure songs and aren't anywhere but physical media I'll buy those CDs second hand, be it from Amazon or musicMagpie, charity shops or similar. I prefer having the media available anytime, anywhere without DRM and being able to use it on old-school MP3 Players/Walkman if I so choose. It also has the advantage if I'm without internet I still have access to my whole library or if my computer dies I don't have to download 150GB worth of music again as it's all local.
rodymacedo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:00:08 on March 25, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Just out of curiosity: do you get paid once and change job monthly?
jed_gaming ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:01:16 on March 25, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
No, I work at a supermarket in the UK, been there 7 months.
rodymacedo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:00:23 on March 25, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Do you get paid monthly?
jed_gaming ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:00:46 on March 25, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah.
rodymacedo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:03:06 on March 25, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
So, why do you think other people should get paid once and keep delivering something?
jed_gaming ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:09:18 on March 25, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not suggesting that. You can buy music individually from iTunes, which is perfectly fine. I'm also happier with the old model for software where a new major version (i.e. Office 2013, Office 2016 etc.) is released each time and I pay a one time fee for a lifetime license. Whereas Office 365 with a subscription fee is overall more expensive than the one time fee. When eventually pay-once MS Office is phased out, I'll have to move to Libreoffice or similar because there's no way I'll be able to afford to keep paying a subscription fee.
rodymacedo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:12:55 on March 25, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You're comparing different things.
Software costs a lot to be developed, but then the sales will eventually cover that cost and generate profit for the company.
Streaming services require constant renewal of licenses for its content. It's never "done"
jed_gaming ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:20:44 on March 25, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
True, but I buy individual songs which is where the comparison applies.
rodymacedo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:09:08 on March 25, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I fail to see how.
Oreotech ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 12:19:47 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
About two million and one now.
RaoulDuke209 ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 18:09:08 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Art is not for money If you're making it to profit You're not making art
If you want me to hear your music, let it be free, I'm not seeking to pay for any music and don't feel I'm missing out on anything if it has a price tag.
I garden and give all my plants away. I taught myself to garden the way you taught yourself to sing, I spend hours practicing my craft the same way you do yours, I could turn this into 2 full time paying jobs if that's what my heart was after.
Instead. I grow my plants and spread them. They grow with their audience. I don't charge people to come in and look at pictures of my plants. Pictures from years ago when I was much worse at maintaining them. Pictures from shitty angles because I didn't know which angles to shoot. Pictures of pictures of other peoples plants.
You aren't an artist because you arranged the latest array of trend triggers into a cookie cutter composition , you aren't an artist because you've got the attention right now , you're an artist because you saw the spirit of creation within you and preservered til it spoke louder than your own ego.
If you need a check to validate that You're just a pawn If you call your work a job You missed the whole fucking point
intripletime ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:43:08 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
When food and rent are free, let me know and this will be perfectly defensible.
RaoulDuke209 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:54:59 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Rent and food are free.
The same way the art consumer convinced the mainstream artists are the cream of the crop , the average citizen is convinced that the house/supermarket are the best and in some cases the only way of life and the truth is that it's not.
Let me give you an example...
Why did you not mention mattresses? When they give mattresses for free. It's something everyone needs right? Same as food and rent. Living within a city is a choice, living within a county is a choice, living within a society is a choice. You can also choose to live on the road, on the tracks or even in the wild. You can choose to live without the building/structure and learn to forage/garden your own food. Millions do it. You can too.
You can trade your craft for food the same as you can trade it for shelter. Socialism runs deep on the internet friend. Art thrives in socialism.
Whyevenbotherbeing ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 15:11:33 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Pay for the shit you use people. Donโt try to justify stealing because you canโt.
fellatious_argument ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 18:29:20 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Adblock = stealing now.
[deleted] ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 15:48:29 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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fellatious_argument ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:33:26 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Lol you think that the artists are the ones losing money? Do you have any idea how the music industry works? Nearly all the money is made by middlemen who contribute nothing.
pairughdocks ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:14:39 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Knowing multiple bands personally, who are on Spotify (not just local guys, but national as well), the royalties are a pittance and no one really gives a fuck about them. Spotify is just for the brand and name recognition. If you REALLY want to support the artist, go see them live, buy some merch directly from them and not a retailer, pick up a CD from their table, that's the only way they see any real cash flow.
PM_ME_YOUR_DEBUSSY ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 16:36:57 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Chill, dude.
iameffex ยท -15 points ยท Posted at 14:27:42 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Bottom line if you cant afford a premium subscription you are doing something wrong.
bixorlies ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 15:18:31 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
You are saying that being poor means you're doing something wrong. Are you young? Because that is either youthful ignorance of not having a tough time with money or you're an asshole.
iameffex ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:08:25 on March 27, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Not young at all. I just don't see why it's absurd to ask $10 a month to listen to unlimited music. Pretty good deal if you ask me considering all the other stuff you could spend that money on.
RingsOfOrbis ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 14:55:19 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
That's harsh and uncalled for
thatsmurfyguy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:59:06 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
The level of ignorance.
lordboos ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:10:48 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
In the US or EU Nordic states it is pretty cheap but in other countries, โฌ6 can be a huge amount of money. Remember that people in China or India work for just a few cents per hour.
BrainWav ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 15:40:59 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I don't do it on mobile, but I do on desktop. I won't start to justify it, but here's my line of logic.
tl;dr: Annoying as shit ads, no way to "watch this and skip ads" on desktop. Ads are so annoying, I don't want to give in to their ransom.
Edit: If they start blocking me because of it, no skin of my nose.
dolphins3 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:53:31 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
FTFY.
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 16:10:29 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:28:40 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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M0NTY26 ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 17:18:26 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
My bank has a kasasa account which will reimburse me 9.90 per month if I use my debt card 12 times. I buy Apple Music for 9 cents a month. No ads. Every song I could ever want at my fingertips.
dystopian_love ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 17:37:36 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
/r/hailcorporate
Waff1es ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:23:31 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
How so?
dystopian_love ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:36:45 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
This is a Spotify ad where the top rated comments are acting as sales pitches and moral assertions designed to active your shame or virtue signaling in order to get you to buy a subscription.
Waff1es ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:42:00 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I'll put out there that I'm a recent purchaser of premium. I think everyone is given two legitimate options. You pay for premium or you listen to ads. Exploiting the software for free ads and trying to justify it is entitlement. You are not entitled to music. If you don't want premium and don't want to listen to music, stop using spotify. So yeah, people who steal from the service should feel shame.
berock212 ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 20:27:52 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
ITT: A bunch of people declaring that you need to either get premium or use ads, with no authority at all.
HC_Phoenix ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 20:33:23 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
How are they doing this? It's obviously awful and I want to know what actions to avoid so that I don't block the advertisements either!
phoov ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 21:21:14 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
wow almost like ads are in everything we do and we dont want to see them
DaMuppet ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:36:16 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Any you can pay, and they will go away, it's not like Spotify is overly expensive
phoov ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:37:11 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah I have premium, but we see ads in everything itโs not surprising people are gonna try to find ways to block them without paying
DaMuppet ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:42:04 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Absolutely true, A lot of the time there is an option to pay, but most of the time I don't uses certain services enough to justify paying. But it's still better then not having access at all and having to pay.
gnomesayins ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 22:36:27 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
How does one go about circumventing the ads without paying?
....asking for... a friend....
trell2202 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 22:40:47 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Install an adblocker in your browser and go to play.spotify.com
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 11:50:08 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Router adblocking, rooted phone, browser adblocking.
clickwir ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 00:02:31 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Good. Cry me a river. You are doing just fine without all those people viewing product pushing crap.
BombBombBombBombBomb ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 12:59:23 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Blocking ads isnt illegal as far as i know.
So too bad, spotify...
iJONTY85 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:43:33 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Doing so is, technically, stealing, right? And no better than piracy, IMO.
nero626 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:26:45 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I think this matter is a lot more complicated than just "stealing" or not.. Spotify is providing music for free given that you see/hear their ads, just as every website nowadays that has ads on their sites, they let you to browse their content given that you see their ads, but it is the website's responsibility to ensure the user sees the ads when they use their service.
Now it is true that with Spotify it is a bit more complicated because the content is directly copyrighted, however since Spotify is the one paying for the licensing, as long as the music labels are getting paid they can't do anything, and it is spotify's job to ensure the way that they are delivering the music is profitable to them, they can either 1. tighten their API (which they did recently) 2. remove free streaming all together 3. ban people that violate the usage agreement or better yet, 4. state it in the agreement that you can get sued for using their service if you use adblock or other exploits.
The thing is people will always find the path of least resistance, unless you make it so that it takes more work to listen for free without ads than just paying for the subscription, it will always be a problem..
Bukkake_Squad ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 13:09:49 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
aye gimmie gimmie
YOINK TriHard
foalythecentaur ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 16:12:04 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Now I know I can get it for free with no repercussions Iโm going to cancel my premium and pirate.
besweeet ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 16:15:37 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
With everything that Spotify provides, there are still people who will never pay the $10/mo. Disappointing.
Schollmate ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 18:32:12 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I actually know someone I think who uses a modded version of spotify. Is there a way I can report them to authorities?
eldritchgeometry ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 21:57:36 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
If you really gave a shit about an artist you would go out and buy their album, get off your high horses complaining about people blocking Ads. Spotify barely gives any money to rights holders(the music labels)and at the end most artists barely see any of that.
tomegranate ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:30:07 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Do you think artists would prefer they get paid fractions of a penny per stream, or nothing at all ?
Intanjible ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 23:57:39 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I wouldn't mind being one of them. Their advertisements are annoying enough to make me want to murder whoever is in the ad, and the cost is atrocious. You can't offer only audio services and still cost more than a basic Hulu or Netflix subscription, sit the fuck down.
tomegranate ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 00:21:59 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
$10 a month is atrocious? For unlimited listening to millions of songs? Are you insane? Have you ever paid for physical music or downloads? Spotify is incredible value compared to the actual alternatives.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:46:01 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Piracy is free!
[deleted] ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 14:53:57 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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persoyal ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 15:05:11 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Not so sure about that. I've never heard about someone who actually paid for WinRAR but I know plenty of people with spotify premium.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:28:28 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Whoa whoa whoa! You DON'T have to pay for winrar??!!
Piratecuck ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 15:10:17 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
bo hoo, i don t care
EthanSucc ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:47:13 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Then why comment? Just scroll on.
Electroswings ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 00:44:53 on March 24, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I likespotify with ads, it give me the radio feeling. Hope those jerk who can't even wait 30 seconds every 30 minutes won't ruin it for us all. I don't want to go back to YouTube for music.
PhatkatNC ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 14:44:08 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Misspelled stealing
-TheBabadook ยท -19 points ยท Posted at 13:37:34 on March 23, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
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