I'll bet they don't eat their lunch with you though.
Decyde ยท 1725 points ยท Posted at 13:39:30 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
For 8 years I was responsible for training and cross training and I wouldn't ever eat or sit with new people in the break room. Most of the time I wouldn't even go to the break room their first day.
They almost always would want to talk about work which could wait till we got back or would want to talk about other stuff that I didn't care about.
It's a break, it's not time to talk about work or stuff I don't care about. It's time to just relax until the 15 or 30 minutes are up and then go back to work.
evdiddy ยท 444 points ยท Posted at 14:07:00 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Haha yes! Its not even in a training setting. If I go to the break room at the corporate office I work at, all everyone wants to do is talk about work. motherfucker, this is my 30 minutes to think about what im doing after work, and to enjoy my pudding cup.
Bitch please. I will leave it whipped out and walk right the fuck away the second they start with 'Well, I haven't restarted it yet but....' Then when I'm called over later to help out because they still haven't fucking restarted it I'll proceed to piss on their desk to assert dominance. You treat the bathroom like my workspace, I'll treat your workspace like the bathroom.
you should interrupt them right away with "before you ask your question, just know that I'm not a doctor and you should probably just have it looked at"
Ask Payroll. (Payroll will tell you to ask HR. In reality it's probably your manager who screwed something up, but they'll be damned if they'll admit it.)
Then they give you the dirty look when you tell them to call the help desk so a ticket is created. (Our HR office tried copying the IT department, but most of the work is done outside the ticket system)
This happens to anyone on any project if they see you. Once at the bar about 3 blocks away after work .(7pm). I am drinking my beer with a friend and they want to talk about the project..
Should say that the friend was not working where I was - The person asking was someone that saw me out..
I sympathize. Especially because the majority of these questions they should be asking their manager or just paying more attention to announcements and such
And it's rarely something you can answer or do right there. You have to try and remember it when you get back to your desk. They'd be better off sending an email or leaving a VM.
This is why I haven't been more disciplined with meal prepping. If I leave to get food that's my time, or my time with one friend to talk about other shit.
If I bring food then shit comes up and I'm in the same shitty work environment.
evdiddy ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:30:31 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Used to eat in my office. Big mistake. Then I tried the break room, same results. Now I go sit in my truck and don't tell anybody where I am. Motherfuckers will still call or text me while on lunch break. I literally had to tell one of them the other day "I'll handle it after lunch" and hang up on her.
It's ridiculous. People seem to think less of you just because you don't string yourself out as hard as they do.
gm4 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:55:45 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Seriously, the other day everyone got frustrated through no fault of my own and decided it was "team lunch" time. Everyone started leaving and I just continued to work, and a few people were like "WHAT ARE YOU DOING??", and I just said "I didn't feel like eating yet and I would rather keep working."
I got talked to later by my boss about missing a great "communication opportunity" with my team. Fuck that noise. If I don't want to eat with the people I sit with for 8 hours I don't want to. So tired of this "talky-feely" work environment tech is turning into.
THXII38 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:04:21 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hooli sucks
-Tom- ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:50:40 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What flavor? I prefer swirl myself. None of that nasty tapioca business though.
evdiddy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:05:17 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Chocolate.
-Tom- ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:44:46 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
shoot thats how I feel about life outside of work... my friend all they talk about it work I sit back thinking "am I the only one who doesnt think about work at home or home while at work" that type of living just gets me all mixed up. There is nothing worse than dealing with a coworker crying about bills or the missus being a major pain and likewise when I'm home and they just want to bitch about the boss or how they deserve so much better etc etc... It's like I'm on crazy pills.
Is 30 minutes all you get when working full hours? (I'm Swedish so not familiar with american labour laws)
THXII38 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:10:50 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What labor laws? Most US states have no requirement for brief breaks, let alone lunches. There are also very few federal guidelines. In the past, unions helped mandate those, but some dumbasses elected some Republicans to reduce the strength and viability of the unions. I have worked for companies (in both management and labor positions) in the past that didn't provide lunches or breaks. I ate too many meals in a cubicle farm before I said fuck it all and went to work in the automotive business. It was like a Dilbert nightmare.
Damn, that's crazy. Here we have a pretty strong union movement and collective agreements (between the unions and employers) which dictate the rights of all workers. Usually, a rule of thumb for most workplaces is a 45 minute lunchbreak for a 6 hour day and 60 minutes for a 8 hour day (full time). We also have the "work environement administration" authorities whom are very clear on every workers right to breaks etc. Is it better in the automotive business by the way?
Edit: It should also be said that lunchbreaks in Sweden is usually not payed for. So if you have a 8 hour work day, it's usually 9 hours including 1 hour lunch which goes unpaid.
I was pretty similar... I would eat with them on the first day to show them the break room, introduce them to other people/people they would be working with... and then never go to the break room again. Helped them learn to meet people. Also I had 20 new people every 10 or so days, so I did not have time to be their lunch buddy.
Decyde ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:48:05 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yea, since our break room was where our meeting was, they knew where that was. I also showed them the restrooms and the other 3 break rooms and made sure they knew what time break was.
With how many people I had to train, it was pointless to let them get to know people. Many were working other shifts and 250 of them were from another building and that Summer sucked training all those people.
The only good that came out of it was I got Saturday OT pay for 10 hours while I trained 6 to 10 people.
Overall though, it wasn't really my job to be their friend. It was to make sure that they could work with 100% efficiency and if some problem came up, they would know how to handle it.
Too many people get a problem and just freeze up. Then they try and find the person who trained them to help them with it.
Exactly right about the friend thing. I wouldn't say those exact words, but my speech at the beginning of training was that I was like a customs agent, I make sure everything checks out, talk with you for a little bit, then let you go. I was not their boss, but I was not their babysitter either. It also helped as I said that once they were in their job I was already training 20 new people. Some would still say hi during the days, but eventually they all either found their niche or were fired.
I used to do the firing part too. I don't know how that fit in to the job, but I guess its because most of the firing was done during their 90 day trial period. I guess I was the most familiar face and let them down easy, when in reality I think its because my other bosses were all pussies about firing people, especially pretty girls. I had no issue with it. So eventually, someone in orientation that was assisting me would say something to the effect of 'After this week, you don't want to meet with u/MikofHyrule, because that probably means you don't work here anymore.' Which of course made them terrified of me, making my job easier. Like you said, not there to be their friend.
listen- ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 15:09:26 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hmm, I read that thinking how I'm the complete opposite. I am super nice and friendly to every new person I train. I haven't ever had anyone become buddy buddy with me after the first few days, but they all remain friendly. They branch out on their own, but know I'm always there to consult for advice. Maybe I like the power of feeling like a know it all. Maybe I like feeling like people like me. I don't know. Probably that.
Ohh I was super nice to them. And I would acknowledge existence, and for the first few months could remember names...after 2 years and 700 employees for 6 different locations...I was unable to keep up...Also I left that job, the same training day in and day out I was burned out.
listen- ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 15:46:42 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Most people where I work don't bother learning anyone's name unless they've been there for months. Too many people go through. Plus we have temps who cycle through even more frequently. Generally we just refer to people by their descriptions, since nobody knows names. But not me, I learn as many names as I can. Probably the best example was this miserable older huge woman who always wore a giant purple shirt. Everyone called her Grimace behind her back (like the McDonald's character) and one day this new guy said "thanks miss Grimace!" to her face. He was foreign and didn't know. It was amazing.
So I'm the one you check with if you want to know if the tall bald guy is really named Billy Corgan or, "why does everyone call that scrawny kid Beast?"
I'm a manager and I always refer to this quote from Master and Commander:
"You don't make friends with the foremast jacks, lad. They'll despise you in the end, think you weak."
iddqd2 ยท 595 points ยท Posted at 14:37:42 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
love this quote, but it's best not to forget the rest of the quote:
You don't make friends with the foremost jacks, lad. They'll despise you in the end, think you weak.
Nor do you need to be a tyrant... it's leadership they want โ strength. Now you find that within yourself and you will earn their respect. Without respect, true discipline goes by the board
EDIT:correctedthequoteandspelling
poliuy ยท 60 points ยท Posted at 15:00:40 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So the prince then?
Koss424 ยท 23 points ยท Posted at 15:05:49 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I never looked into the historical accuracy of the film but I wonder whether people who made puns truly had that bad of a reputation back in the day. I find it funny that someone could be compared to a petty thief just for making a pun.
I know that but the film takes place around the year 1800 so the use of puns might have acquired a certain reputation by then. That said I don't know how historically accurate the film was in depicting the use of language of the time period.
I did that too but it was because I figure it's like Vietnam, new recruits are very likely to be taken out in the first thirty days so there's no point in getting to know them.
ololz ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:36:12 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"You don't make peace with friends" -A wise man
Vio_ ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:35:01 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Jack and a way to be friends with his crew even while maintaining his professional distance, even when he had to have the bosun crack the whip. It's much more in the books, but some of his crew were with him even when he didn't have a ship. There was a formality (and it didn't hurt that he saved a number of them from drowning-esp Stephen), but it was also a different time and culture where he had men aboard who had been pressed into service or other issues. He had to present himself almost as a monarch in some ways.
I was the manager of a department while still being about the same age as most of the new hires (mostly young to mid-twenties). Sometimes it sucked cause they were all cool people and sometimes they'd hang out together or party together. I also hired a few of my friends.
Quickly had to figure out that though we were all the same age, keeping that distance was necessary.
ititsi ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:35:02 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's true for life in general. The amount of people who try to step on me because I go out of my way to be kind is staggering. It is very unfortunate that being overly kind is my coping mechanism for actually being a violent criminal psycho.
Which is great advice for an officer aboard an 18th century Royal Navy vessel. However here in the real world it's nice when when talentless middle managers aren't arrogant cocks.
I got promoted to Corporal (First NCO Rank) then got sent to Japan as an individual augment.
We were in the receiving barracks and I was one of the few NCO's as most of them were E-3 and below. Corporal is E-4, only 1 rank above, but still, you are an NCO.
Anyway, some of the e-3's and e-2's were getting friendly, not a big deal as I am not one to let rank get to me.
However, come lunch time, I went to the NCO dining area.
The look on their faces was that of pure abandonment.
Good thing too because soon after one of the Sergeants had me assigning working parties and it was much easier to do so without favoring anyone.
Anyway, no real point to this story. JUst your story reminded me of this. Im drinking coffee and still trying to wake up.
we need more guys for a shitty job, send the CPL. we need an NCO for weekend duty, send the CPL. as a CPL you are still at E4 pay grade. so you get to tell guys that get payed the same as you, and have similar time in service, what to do. this can be tough, if like me, you get promoted and stay in the same unit, because they are your friends. CPL is like limbo, not yet a SGT no longer a joe. When I was in Iraq as a CPL I was in charge of the POL support for a small base on the Syrian border. they told me it was a 3 day thing then I could go back on tanks. 3 months later, my first line was a Sargent Major and I had to be able to tell PLT SGT's what to do in MY motor pool. I was expected to learn a new MOS and took over the job of an E6, E5 and 4 joes with me as CPL and 1 joe. I later found out that I got picked to stay in that job because no other NCO would take it, and I had not fucked up. I had to reenlist to get back on tanks. CPL is the whipping boy of the NCO world, thankfully my commander expected me to "not take any shit, I expect at least one complaint a week about you being an asshole."
15? Damn. I use every second of my hour lunch break. The company doesn't give me shit so why should I give free labor
Decyde ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:19:50 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yea, we got 2 15 minute breaks and a unpaid 30 minute lunch.
My favorite job was right out of high school working at Hobart. It was a straight 8 hours from 10 pm to 6 am. We got 2 20 minute breaks and were allowed to bring in radios for our work area.
While the job sucked, the time went by really fast.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:10:06 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The company 'doesn't give you shit' except an hour long fucking lunch, twice as long as everywhere else
I will do this IF the new employee was someone I got hired. I have a lot of friends, however, there are VERY VERY few i would ever want to work with, let alone recommend and put my stamp of approval on to other management. If I'm willing to do both, I'm willing to sit with you at lunch and fill you in on any questions because i know i'm not wasting my time. Plus it's good for morale.
Decyde ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:09:36 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I always have to learn every aspect of a job no matter where I work.
People do things all the time that they are trained to do but the people training them didn't do the job right.
I made sure my training focused on getting things done right and not what was the laziest for them to do like other coworkers did.
I made sure all problems they would face was written down by them and photo copied so they would have it in the event one would come up.
The lead who was suppose to train people would just say do this and if you need help, come find me. Too many people would get lost in his piss poor rush to get them going by themselves that they spent more time looking for him than working.
I agree with correct training on the job. I was more referring to the leisure time side of things. I will chat with them at lunch here and there because i believe it's good for morale and honestly, your employees are far more likely to work hard for you if you show you care enough to listen to their wants, needs, goals, etc. As someones manager, (officially or not) it's my job to make sure i can provide them with the information they need and help give them the resources they need to hit their goals. If i'm not able to for a specific goal, it's on me to let them know that i can't provide it.
listen- ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:03:23 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Wow I'm the opposite. Just last week I invited a new guy to sit next to me at the elite table in the break room (he was sitting with a douche but didn't know of course).
The next day he sat in a different break room.
Decyde ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:29:13 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yea, people should be more focused with the job rather than high school politics.
I've had days where I spent extra time training people and wanted to relax by actually doing my job with on one to bother me. Since everyone was at break, you get a quiet 18-20 minutes of working in.
How long does it usually take to beat the enthusiasm and motivation out of them?
Decyde ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:27:18 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I just always point out to people that you're here to work.
I also made it damn clear from the start that the job isn't terrible at all but I will make sure they know the job when I was done with them.
If they wanted to joke around or make friends with people, it will be after they know the job.
For the most part though, people I trained that were on different shifts or cross training I didn't really want to even get to know. I never saw them again so would rather just keep it focused on business.
It's a break, it's not time to talk about work or stuff I don't care about. It's time to just relax until the 15 or 30 minutes are up and then go back to work.
Agreed. I work in a distribution center and we recently had a new computer system implemented. I'm one of the unlucky ones who had to learn just about everything about it. It's already very frustrating to have to learn a new process but its even more frustrating having people think I want to talk about it on my breaks. One of the ladies I work with barely has to use the new system, but has non stopped complained every time I see her about having to use a username and password.
I totally agree. As a teacher, our time is spread pretty thin on a normal basis. As much as I want to help my students, I always deny them if they want to make up an assignment or test during lunch. I do this because as you've said, it's a time to recharge for the rest of your day. If I didn't take that time to relax, chances are I'd perform poorly at something else throughout the day. But then again, we do have our summers to do that too. ๐
Some of my best friends are coworkers. I never talk to them on my break. I just do it on the clock!
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:27:05 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
There's this new older guy at work that doesn't understand that a grunt means "Leave me ALONE!!!" Yesterday he spend 15 minutes talking at me. Not to me, at me. I think the most I said was "yep."
Likewise. I teach and am fairly social but my 25 minutes for lunch is best spent in my office with the door closed. If I go to the lunchroom I get questions from teachers and students throughout my lunch or everyone around me just talks about their students or class problems. I'd rather just listen to spotify in solidarity.
antsugi ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:24:46 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Reading this while sitting next to a coworker just enjoying the silence
I worked frontdesk at a hotel with one especially incompetent individual. After being dragged off lunch every day for two weeks straight, I started bringing in noise-cancelling headphones. These would go on when I clocked out and would not come off for any reason south of a 911 call.
The difference between you and them is that they aren't entirely jaded and are excited. But you have the experence to know work is a bitch and everyone is a pain in the ass. And your break time is your break time. They don't understand that yet.
Decyde ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:26:15 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Most of the time they feel the need to talk about something if they aren't talking about work related things. People's go to thing to talk about is their family which is something I don't really like.
When it comes to work, we were just talking about work for the past 3 hours. I understand you need more training but in 15 more minutes, we will have more training if you didn't fully grasp the past 3 hours!
Decyde ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:36:07 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yea, places like that are pieces of shit.
I worked at one out of high school and ended up leaving after 10 months.
The pieces of shit actually put our time clocks at our work area and required us to wear clean suits. In order to clock in, you had to spend 3 minutes getting past security, put your stuff in your locker and then go put on your clean suit. Then you had to walk another 3-5 minutes to your work area to clock in.
So for 15 minutes everyday, you were not getting paid and had to work.
10 years later, another company working in the same industry moved in and it forced them to have competitive wages after they poached 45% of their workforce.
My uncle works there today and his easy job that he enjoys pays $23 an hour with better benefits. When I worked there they were paying $8.25.
gahleon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:10:06 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
People who are new are generally excited about their job. If they are talking about work during their break this can be a positive. Keep the positivity alive and don't let them become jaded early on. I love what I do and I will still talk about 'work' during my breaks/lunches. Work/Life balance is what you make of it and when you love what you do it makes it that much easier to balance.
Decyde ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:30:13 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Just like studying for a test, you don't just cram everything in a couple of hours. Taking a break helps people relax and go back to it fresh.
If they had any questions regarding anything, I'd prefer them to write it down or just ask right after break was over. I'd rather work on company time and not mine.
I work at a place where everyone has different break times. Sometimes I require IMMEDIATE assistance from mechanics and sometimes they ignore me and say they're on break, even refusing to point me to someone who can help. If you were in my position how would you ask for help?
Decyde ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:15:21 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If it was me, I'd talk to your boss and tell them what's going on. Let them know that problems come up and they aren't being helpful.
Where I worked at while training, I had a PA system that I could call for assistance.
If none of that works, document when you're standing around doing nothing because a mechanic fails to help you. Make sure you log the time, the person and the problem and how long it took to remedy the situation.
While it's not always the best to put the blame on other people, when it's a problem such as this... put the blame on the mechanics.
My first day at work I was leaving and some co-workers called me over and asked why I was ditching them and "made" me sit with them and hang out. 2 hours later I realized that one of them was the manager, and these other people I met on the first day. We talked about random things even getting personal. It was great that i didn't know who they were until later. Its like we were all old friends
I thought you were going to say you avoided eating with them so that they would chat to other staff members and get to know people instead of clinging to their trainer. That would have been sensible.
But avoiding them on their first day because you want to protect your 30 minutes and avoid talking about things that don't interest you? Don't you think that makes you seem like kind of a gigantic dick?
Decyde ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:30:16 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I am an asshole but I don't want to spend my 30 minute unpaid lunch talking to people about work.
You obviously never been in the situation at all and don't know how annoying it was. When it got to the 50th person talking about work for 15 minutes while I was trying to sit there relax from just talking to them for 3 solid hours about work, I needed a break.
Never once did anyone talk about things that interest me and most people would talk about their families over themselves or their hobbies.
In my 8 years, I trained over 700 people, 250 of them being from a new building opening up and they had to get the people trained prior to opening. That made me hate everything since I was still required to get my job on top of training 3 people a day.
Ok, I can understand why it would get a bit tiresome if you were training people day in day out for years. But then it just sounds like you are/were really poorly suited to the job, and you kept doing it for 8 years.
You complain about people talking about work. You complain about people talking about their families. You complain about people talking about things that generally aren't interesting to you. My conclusion from that would be that you're a bit socially disfunctional. That's fine, I am too. But that's why I wouldn't ever take up a job where I had to interact with new people all day everyday.
In short: It's not that your job sucked, it's just that you sucked at the job.
Decyde ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:50:37 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No, and you're 100% wrong.
I just want to make fully aware that you are 100% wrong by repeating that you are wrong, completely wrong.
I'm not at a job to be your friend first and foremost. I'm there to train you so you can do your job well and be able to handle yourself in the event a problem comes up.
I'm not there to hold your hand. I'm not there to be your best friend in the break room. I'm there so you can do your job and know it inside and out.
My break time is just that.... MY BREAK.
My break time is not a time for you to talk about work or some random thing about your family.
You might think it's "social dysfunctional" but you go to work to work. When you're talking to someone for 3 hours about work, why would you want to spend the 15 minutes you get to relax to talk about work?
I just want to also close to make sure you fully understand that you're 100% wrong.
I'm in my mid 30s and I've been working at various jobs for many years. I, and most of my colleagues, tend to eat lunch together most of the time. I might occasionally want to go off on my own and get some headspace, but if a new person had joined my team I would have to be in a seriously bad place (or they would have to be an insufferable shit) for me to ditch them at lunchtime on their first day.
Yes I go to work to do a job. But part of that job is working together with others. If you view everyone around you as being burdens that you can't wait to get away from then there is either a problem with the job you have, or with you. I'm inclined to think it's the latter. You seem way to certain that this professional arsehole persona you have created is somehow normal, and you seem incapable of entertaining alternative views.
I don't know how old you may be, but lots of older people grew up in a time when personality disorders weren't routinely diagnosed. I've know a few older people who would - for example - eat lunch in their car because they just don't know how to make small talk.
[deleted] ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 14:14:00 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Sure, he's a gigantic dick. Who gets his 30 minutes to himself. Which do you think matters more to him?
Consider it this way - His job is trainer (at least today it is). New class goes to lunch as a group, they want to cling to the trainer often... So now he's still working through his lunch, answering questions and engaging with the new hires. He's still a trainer even through his lunch, not getting to leave his work behind for a period.
While there's some value in that, it's hard to fault him for saying "Nah, this is my break - I'm not hanging with my trainees and having to keep thinking about work stuff."
Clearly you are the guy no one ate lunch with. They can't, not eat with you if you don't go to the lunch room. You win. Great strategy.
Decyde ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:01:05 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
We had 4 break rooms and I mostly kept my lunch at the one I worked near after I got tired of it. It saved me a 3 minute walk to the break room and I got to sit with a couple other people who just wanted to relax near where they worked.
I made sure the day of when I trained that they knew and understood where the restrooms were and the other break rooms. I had someone actually make a complaint against me that I didn't show them where they were in relevance to where they were working.
It was a pile of bull crap since when you walked down from the second level, the restrooms were directly under the stairs.
edit: Adding, I requested they not hire that person and told them to just let them go. They did nothing but complain the entire time I was training them and were trying to go out of their way to not learn from what it felt like.
I was just messing with ya man. Thanks for the reply though.
Decyde ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:08:47 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yep.
I have no problems point out people who weren't a fit for a job and letting management/HR know.
Hands down the worst guy I ever had to train was a guy who just had knee surgery.
The job is like every standard job, you must be able to stand, walk and lift 40 pounds to apply and he applied for it.
I had my manager come up to him after first break and ask him if he wanted to quit since the job wasn't really for him. He gave it another hour until he took him up on that offer.
Seriously? So you're literally above talking to people because reasons.... And I'm the immature one. Lol okay.
Decyde ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:24:39 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"Break room shenanigans."
I had a Mexican and a black guy working while I worked there and they would both pick on each other playfully. They would say random stereotypes at each other sometimes and people would just look the other way.
One day the Mexican guy said something about the black guy and the black guy went to management. He ended up suing the company for $10,000 and the Mexican guy got fired.
So yea, "break room shenanigans" or anything not work related is better off left outside of work.
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 15:08:41 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
would want to talk about other stuff that I didn't care about.
Yeah, why have interest in other people...
Decyde ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:22:13 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No, I'd say a high 80% of the people were adults and would talk about their kids. I personally don't care about hearing about my cousins kids so I'm not going to spend an entire break listening about another persons kids.
The other 20% was work related things such as how long I've been working there or things about other people working there which didn't matter at all.
I understand it's small chat but I'm not at work to make friends, I'm there to work and make sure they can do their job right. Small chat can come later after they are even around anymore.
Uoop ยท 73 points ยท Posted at 14:05:28 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No, whack off in the bathroom. They can't tell you not to go in there even if it's not your break. They also can't tell you that it counts as your break. just make sure to do it in the family restroom so you don't get caught.
Back in 2009 Obama repealed the Workplace Lunches Act (WLA) in an effort to increase productivity and pull the economy out of the Great Recession. This lead to the Lunch Riots of 2010.
Mainstream media doesn't want you to know, so they don't report. The major effect is that many office environments do not allow lunches in the building but give too short of time to leave the facility to get food and come back so many eat their lunches in their cars now.
My office moved to the city, and I no longer have the luxury of doing this or of napping in the car. Fortunately, before this happened, I started work remotely in a different state, but even visiting for a few days, I have this intense feeling of being stuck and unable to get away from all people during the day.
I eat at my desk while working, and then go for a walk.
listen- ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:13:12 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
We're not allowed to go to our cars or leave the property during break, because people used to go get high, or go to a bar down the street for a drink. We are hourly, and it's a paid break now, so it's fine
Uoop ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:21:24 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Man, what a prison. My last job gave us 45 minute lunches and I used to go home and eat since I lived 5 minutes away. We weren't "allowed" to leave without clocking out, but I never did. Boss knew about it, never cared.
listen- ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:49:43 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, what's funny is I used to work at another location for the same company, and we had a 45 min unpaid break where we could leave. I rarely did because I just wanted to sit. But here, people ruined it, and now we sit there for 30 min, but paid. It was literally from all the people getting high, so I definitely see why they did it. Of course now they just vape it in the bathroom, so I hear
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:25:13 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I would, but it's like being Spongebob in the perfume department trying to walk past all the people taking smoke breaks.
[deleted] ยท 31 points ยท Posted at 14:21:05 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Reddits circlejerk on hating vaping is kind of odd, like yeah it looks douchy and some people are douches that do it but its still better than smoking by a long way in terms of health and enviroment.
I bought a vaporizer and used it to help me quit smoking. Worked like a charm - the day it came was the day I quit. Don't denigrate vaping - it really has a good rep among those who are quitting. I used it for a few weeks and then put it down. If I had been daunted by people who cannot tolerate vaping (why??) I would still be smoking....
Badloss ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:26:00 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Using it to quit is awesome, I don't have any issues with that. It's the people that ramble on forever about the tremendous health benefits of vaping and how it's SO much better than cigs and how it's not at all a problem to do it inside and in your face because it's just SO much better for everyone... that's the shit that gets super annoying.
To build on my prior analogy, I don't have any issues with occasional weed use or even people using it medicinally, it's the people that spout off nonstop about how it solves literally all illnesses and is actually BETTER for you than not smoking that drive me up the wall
I've been smoking for 15 years and nothing pisses me off more than those people, it's not a lifestyle it's just smoking a bit of weed.
If I pop an aspirin I don't expect a bunch of idiots to lecture me for 45 minutes on how amazing aspirin is, it's just aspirin.
A lot of these idiots are just new to it and it's just a phase they are going through. They won't be smoking in 5 years just ignore them, their opinion is worthless.
Also putting anything into your lungs other than air is harmful, anyone who claims otherwise is stupid. A lot of it comes from Rastafarian culture, they always say 'ya nah get cancer' but who's the main rasta everyone thinks of? Bob Marley, the guy that died of cancer.
Eh, we'll see. We currently don't have a whole lot of data on the long term health effects of vaping. We may find that in 30 years the flavoring has incredibly carcinogenic effects on your body. Or it might be just as healthy as air. We don't actually know.
Also it's beyond douchey. I worked with a guy who was a 'cloud chaser' and would make these enormously obnoxious vape clouds that irritated my throat and eyes and even after being asked to knock it off would keep doing it.
He bitche'd q while hell of a lot when it got banned in the workplace too.
the annoying thing is the hate on everyone that does it. theres a difference between the people doing it to look 'cool' and the people that are doing it to quit cigarettes.
if you can't learn to stop attacking the people using it to quit a bad habbit, stop attacking it all together.
I would be astonished if it's anywhere near as bad for you as cigs. As someone who quit smoking with vaping, cigs make you feel awful after you finish one, vapes dont.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:30:50 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Exactly. Maybe they'll find some health impacts but there's absolutely no way it's as bad as cigarettes. Yet some people are convinced all the vapers are going to drop dead in 25 years. It's utter unscientific nonsense.
We might find that, but it's not reasonable to assume that. The constituents of vapor have been used in fog machines forever. I don't think there is a lot of threat from vaporized flavorings (which exist in very low levels).
There is some difference due to particle size, which is worth investigating. However, the preliminary data and the mechanisms of harm both lead to vapor being significantly safer than smoke.
People making clouds in public spaces are dicks, even if there was absolutely no potential health effects it's rude as fuck.
Would it surprise you to find out there's barely any studies on the use of ultrasound machines to look at fetuses?
There's a lot of lacking areas research wise for things widely considered safe or used for long times.
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barsoap ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:25:17 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
we need regulation to help limit the possible use of non-edible/inhalant or other health endangering ingredients
Yes but no. That is, at least in the west the market is already self-regulating, vapers are rather health-conscious, taken as a group: You'd be hard-pressed to see propylene glycol, glycerol, or nicotine used that doesn't have pharmaceutical quality, and aroma suppliers certainly aren't stupid enough to advertise oil-based or sugar-containing aroma for vaping. The exact opposite is happening.
The vaping industry is mostly mom+pop shops and how large those kinds of companies could get in 6, 7, years. There's, aside from the Chinese hardware manufacturers (such as Kanger and Joyetech) no actual giants (not counting big tobacco who, much too late, now come onto the market with devices that literally suck ass -- outside of disposable stuff sold at gas stations, they have no market share).
That's not to say that there's no idiocies around, but if something was shown to be actually problematic it would come off the market very quickly, without regulatory intervention.
(Idiocy goes in both directions: E.g. the diacetyl scare which is way overblown considering the data we have, but also that people are using bloody nickel wire to vape -- even though there's perfectly fine, completely taste-neutral, stainless steel).
Of course: Don't get your juice from China. That's begging for trouble.
Generally, I don't mind such regulation at all. The problem, however, is that due to stupid bureaucrats and politicians listening to both the tobacco and pharma lobby (yes, both) we get completely bullshit regulations pushed onto us.
If the regulatory regime was sane, I wouldn't even mind paying a small nicotine tax per actual milligram nicotine (no such bullshit as "per ml liquid"), to fund research into aroma safety.
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barsoap ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:35:37 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The fuck is the US importing glycerol from overseas... that's somewhat like importing HFCS.
As far as the stuff I get is concerned: It's sourced via the trade network of apothecaries, German vape vendors and juice producers quickly piggy-backed on their infrastructure. The online shop I buy at gets their base ingredients by the literal trainload, directly from the producer, they have quite a turnaround.
Of course, mandatory testing would be great, and, assuming decent batch sizes, also price-wise acceptable (we're talking spectral analysis, here, not just titration for nicotine content or such) but it would be kinda strange to have stricter norms for vaping products than for pharmaceutical ones.
"Things have to be pharma-quality unless it's aroma, which has to have food quality (and also otherwise suitable)" is enough regulation, there. If you then want stricter pharma regulations, be my guest.
Again thats one example of a douche and yes we may find out these flavors etc.. when inhaled are carcinogens but in the meantime we Know cigarette smoke is heavily carcinogenic so imo a better trade off, plus they don't smell so bad nor leave a residue on things nor do people throw down cigarette buds while using them so imo they are a much better alternative to cigarettes.
There's literally thousands of different scents and flavors of eliquid. You might just be smelling a small selection of what's out there. Vapers tend to have a taste profile that they prefer, maybe an offending vaper you encounter often likes something "foul" smelling to you?
I was vaping at Comic-Con last year. I try to be considerate and step outside or go to designated smoking areas, but I was standing in line outside and there were people in almost every direction. I manage to find a sparsely populated parking lot and get my fix (quitting smoker) but a stray breeze picks up the vapor... right into the face of two security guards walking past. I'm looking apologetic and begin to say sorry when one of them gives me a stern finger wagging and says , "You're lucky that smells AMAZING." and gives me a joking clap on the shoulder as she laughs her way past me.
Only a few of my friends vape, and they all are considerate and go tf outside so the rest of us don't have to breathe it.
It's entirely possible that I smell non-offensive vapor often on the sidewalk and it doesn't register. But, whenever I'm out and catch a whiff of something retchingly sweet? It's someone vaping. Always.
barsoap ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:35:59 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
retchingly sweet
Retchingly sweet is why I can't take most American aroma producers seriously. That, and adding bloody colouring.
German aroma generally means "one flavour, exactly one". Fair enough, and you get a choice between peach (ripe) and peach (can)... as in "ice tea from a discount supermarket". Generally not sweet at all, short of the natural sweetness of propylene glycol and glycerol themselves.
The French. It might not come as too much of a surprise, but the French actually rule the world when it comes to producing vape aroma compositions. Pity they don't advertise nearly enough, it's not easy to get outside of France, I bet it's neigh impossible outside of the EU.
"Cotton candy aroma", btw, is more often than not straight ethyl maltol.
See, when this happens what you want to do is sit right next to them and find a lovely piece of music like Brokencyde's Bree Bree and play it as loud as you can. Then just be like "oh sorry, is my hobby annoying you?"
Has it actually been proven as a healthier alternative? I mean I don't doubt that it's better for you than smoking but I still have a hard time believing that vaping isn't harmful.
asifnot ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:49:28 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
but still waay worse than not vaping, in terms of health, environment, and generally looking like a douche.
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 14:30:18 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
but it might be better than smoking by a long way in terms of health and enviroment
I'd be very surprised if vaping is found to be anywhere near as bad as smoking, if it's even bad at all. We have a lot of data now and it's all proving to be a lot more positive than the data for smoking.
eulb42 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:49:43 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Like water vapor could be as bad as inhaling something that just combusted ... Some people just silly...
It's not water vapor though. It's propylene glycol and vegetable glycerin vapor. That's what vape juice is made from. (Not saying those aren't way better for you than smoke, just that it's not water vapor)
eulb42 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:31:57 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I did not know that, (I did know it wasnt water though) so, sorry for spreading ignorance, and thanks for the info.
Is that a no? There is nothing in that that suggests vapes are on the same level as tobacco like you are warning. Indeed it only goes so far as to claim it may not be safe.
Furthermore I can't find anything about littering or emphysema in that article (except that it may worsen an existing lung condition - which is far less than what tobacco does).
Also the article claims there is zero information about the inhalation of propylene glycol, which I find somewhat hard to believe since it been used (indeed in a similar way) in Nicorettes inhaler for the last 20 years - surely long term issues would be cropping up by now?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:45:39 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Go watch a video of "cloud chasers" and then come back with "PG long term issues should be cropping up by now"
Yes, but the way you are using it has as much value as saying that under quantum theory the matter in front of you "might" spontaneously redistribute into gold bricks.
The idea that vaping could be as bad for the environment as smoking based on nothing except not being able to prove 100% otherwise is so ridiculous it's funny. Who cares? If someone had typed "Pressing the windows key + L on a connected keyboard (that is fully functioning and not captured by a program) locks an idle windows PC" would you have felt it necessary to correct them with "Pressing the windows key + L on a connected keyboard (that is fully functioning and not captured by a program) might lock an idle windows PC"?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:37:34 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Do you realize how long it took to demonstrate a connection between smoking and lung cancer?
1) No-one is claiming this except you. Your source pretty clearly implies they are safer than cigarettes (might exacerbate emphysema as opposed to might cause emphysema). It's trying to show they might be unsafe. Not that they might be as bad as tobacco.
2) Lol.
3) Isn't this 1 again? Had you already started numbering but couldn't think of a third point?
As far as the 95% number is concerned: 4% of the rest risk are due to aroma.
And that's the "we can't really say that it's safe" number, not the "we can't really say that it's harmful": That's what conservative means. "Assume the worst".
While, yes, long-term studies are hard to get by as it's new we can e.g. look at whole-lifecycle studies of lung cells in petri dishes and come to conclusions -- lung cells don't live nearly as long as humans. And one of those conclusions is: Unlike with smoke, cells aren't dying left and right, they seem to be rather unimpressed.
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exodeos ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 14:23:06 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
From what I've read the particulate size is way way smaller for vaping so it has way deeper penetration in the lungs. So if something is wrong it will be way worse.
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barsoap ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:39:32 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's probably not safe in an absolute sense, it's probably worse than not vaping at all, but hardly anything is entirely risk-free.
It could very well be more healthy to live in the countryside and vape than to live in a city and not vape.
That at least is about the ballpark of risk we're talking about here.
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barsoap ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:44:32 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
vapers are likely young, overall.
That's not the case over here, I'd say. People like this pleasant Swiss aren't rare, at all (as far as pleasant Swiss aren't rare).
Also: People who only smoked (like me) 10 years instead of 30 or such before switching are better off, here. There may very well be a "youth can take vaping better" correlation, with the actual cause being how long their smoking careers were.
Which is actually a huge problem for the researchers: People who never smoked before taking up vaping are exceedingly rare so what is due to vaping, and only vaping, is virtually impossible to quantify.
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barsoap ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:10:59 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What upsides?
I mean yes nicotine is a stimulant, but if you're not a smoker getting into a vaping habit is about as likely as becoming a caffeine addict. Short of people who are neurologically pre-disposed, that's just not going to happen: Vaping is too complicated for that (compared to a cup of coffee, at least).
It may become a thing with people with severe weight-related health issues due to food craving, to still exactly that craving: Vaping a doughnut comes with a negligible amount of calories. Of course, overweight people also aren't the most representative study subject.
I wonder if that's really true?
I remember reading an analysis of relevant polls etc. in the UK evidence review, but don't ask me for details or page numbers.
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barsoap ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:13:59 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
There's no such thing as a nicotine high. A buzz, yes, but no high.
The closest thing, in case you don't know what it's like: Just like caffeine, just more physical.
Imagine you're standing in a park, then, you see a ball flying towards you... e.g. because some kid misjudged their shot. You decide to play it back, and in that instant, you get an activating energy surge in preparation for the actual activity.
That's what nicotine does: It activates the parasympathetic nervous system.
exodeos ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:15:14 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This is well put, and I admit I know very little on the subject, but I still can't help but think we are in the same point as we were with smoking. Where there's no 'known' consequences right now. But then again, that's my own, probably unfounded opinion.
It's smaller yes, but there isn't any tar being inhaled. Not counting flavorings, the chemicals PG and VG used for juice are extremely inert. PG is even used in hospital air ducts to increase sterility.
The choice is not one or the other, but includes the third choice of doing neither. I don't think Reddit is pro-tobacco in any way, either. But while smokers can be addicts, vapers e substantially just people following a conspicuous trend, and that is why they get the Reddit circlejerk.
trznx ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 14:34:24 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Better than something negative doesn't make it positive. I hate smokers too, you know. And it's not like vaping replaces smoking, they're too diffrent.
but its still better than smoking by a long way in terms of health and environment.
But its not though, and people keep insisting that it is, so that's why the hate.
"oh, you don't want me to spread large amounts of shit all around you while you eat? Ok, Ill use this vape and just spread small amounts of shit all around, thats okay right? Its less, so its totally acceptable now and you are an asshole for not wanting my shit all in your face and lungs"
I don't eat my lunch with anybody. I love my coworkers, but I take my lunch in my car. It's worth the gas to run the air enough to cool my car down, then I can take my lunch in peace and actually relax.
What I still don't get, is why I would give a shit if they ate with me or not?
They have almost nothing to offer me. I'm the one with skills and social connections and the respected opinions.
If they were smart, they'd realize the onus is on them to gain our respect and access to us.
That's not condescending. That's reality.
But this is Summer Reddit now, so these posts are more about one-upping than facts, eh? Apparently everyone here right now thinks "they know everything, and are gonna change the world!"... oh, youth... full of energy and downvotes.
Even if he came off badly in phrasing he's not wrong. Everyone should be treated politely but friendship, honor, respect, and anything else is something you must earn.
You came off badly in phrasing but you're not wrong. Everyone should be treated politely but friendship, honor, respect, and anything else is something you must earn.
Copy and pasted because I wanted you to see not everyone disagrees despite the downvotes.
Hey_Gus ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:18:52 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Exactly. Soon, once you're not useful anymore, they'll go back to their cliques, their whispers and laughter. You'll once again be on the outside looking in.
I used to run a video game lounge. Some girl put on her resume she was prom queen in high school. She actually turned out to be one of our best and most knowledgable employees because she took the time to familiarize herself with games people were currently playing. Basically, transitioning the popularity mindset to her new environment. There's still uses for those people (in customer service)
There's still uses for those people (in customer service)
And sales. And PR. And all kinds of account management/client relations types of positions. There are tons of jobs out there where the ability to make people like you isn't just a nice attribute, but straight up part of the job description.
Seriously. I'm a socially awkward weirdo who likes numbers, so I'm over here, alone in an accounting cubicle. But our marketing and PR team is full of former cheerleaders and prom queens. They aren't the people I'd choose to hang out with outside of work, but they're the right people for those positions and they kick ass at it.
Believe it or not I was a socially awkward nerd. Then I saw how people were selling and just copied them. It's funny, I'm amazing at sales and customer service when I'm on the clock, I'm the go getter. Then when I'm off the clock and don't have a prime directive, my charisma goes into hibernation until the next shift.
I totally get this. I hate small talk, and I quickly tire after too much social interaction. However, if I need to turn that skill on for work, job interviews, or socially if needed, I can do it. I have NO idea where it comes from - it's like I am a different person. I can't sustain for long though.
I'm the same way. It's a hugely important life skill though.
You just click a button in your head, and your voice is a little louder, you smile more, you laugh, become more animated, etc etc.
Pretty sure that trick alone has gotten me so many jobs that much more qualified but less social people could have gotten.
elwebst ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:33:04 on June 1, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And you have a stock set of funny stories you've perfected over the years, are the life of the entire dinner table, then go face-down when you get back to your hotel room, desperately hoping no one calls you or anything else so you can recharge. INTP forever!
the_nic ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:08:26 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You just click a button in your head, and your voice is a little louder, you smile more, you laugh, become more animated, etc etc.
Same here. I was a nightlife photographer for a few years and becoming the type of person who could walk into a packed bar - alone and mostly sober and be able to talk to everyone in the room is a skill I never would have thought myself capable of.
Thowle ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:14:18 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Dude, I have to agree with you. I'm a teacher and when I'm inside the classroom I change completly, I'm very outgoing and the total boss, but when I'm outside I just kinda loose this attitude. Wish I could keep it on all the time.
A good combo of both is very useful, because while they might be able to sell it, they might not learn the technical details which can help you make the better buy for a person and help them more.
Naw, I rolled pretty high. I've worked with those that are considered socially superior to me. They make less money and spend $200 a weekend on drinks to cope with it. I'm busy making sure their children have clean water.
I have to act happy and confident onstage, then outgoing and social after the show, but when I get off the road, I shut myself in, never see the light of day, and do what I really want to do in the studio or on XBOX. Heh.
Yeah, I have the same thing but the problem is it's not that enjoyable. You look like your having a great time but its just great acting. I would much rather be doing computer networking which I'm currently going to school for. All that fake energy is exhausting.
Bullshit. They're just easy for people with no understanding of the job to pick on. Like you. That's akin to saying "all IT workers are hacking the Pentagon in their spare time."
ladyxdi ยท 141 points ยท Posted at 14:50:04 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They're all our event girls. Good looking, young women that are flirty, smart, use their looks to their advantage and get the damn job done. I ain't mad at them. *snaps
tivooo ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 17:01:52 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
There with you! Most people do not care about your hair, just show up in proper business attire.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:50:13 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This varies highly by industry. Unless you're in an upper management role, the software industry (for one example) doesn't care if their professionals do the cookie cutter thing.
No one cares truly about that if you are willing to tell people how it is, and be better than anyone else at said position. The latter has to come first however.
MrKMJ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:28:01 on June 1, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I believe that telling anybody to, "bug off," in the workplace is immature and unprofessional. Adults should be able to express themselves more eloquently than children.
Saying nobody cares is naive. I don't care, and you don't care, but everybody has to tiptoe around active conservatively, because the people in the offices control work culture, and they usually disapprove of childish behavior.
Your workplace may be different, but professionalism is a spectrum. Offices can be as strict as Marines, or as relaxed as a bunch of hippies. You may be correct that nobody cares where you are, but being an outlier doesn't make you correct.
I have never actually said bug off haha, I more meant it as a general telling them that it doesn't matter. You being an outlier does not make you correct either. Professionalism is only defined by the person defining it.
[deleted] ยท -6 points ยท Posted at 17:05:57 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"girls"
ladyxdi ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:09:26 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I called them young women, as well, because they are. I didn't use "girls" in infantize them or anything.
[deleted] ยท -11 points ยท Posted at 17:17:46 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Using "girls" to refer to grown women in a professional context is infantilizing. Not a big deal, just something to be aware of.
ladyxdi ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 17:19:48 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm aware of it, that's why I replied with what I replied with. They're my girls. I know them, you do not. :)
I picked accounting because I'm a socially awkward weirdo. But it turns out all of the people that go into public accounting are super outgoing and cool as fuck.. I don't know if I'll make it.
From experience, you can be a solid introvert and do fine, just depends on how far you want to go. Me, I moved on to industry once I started brushing the sales and relationship management spheres.
I'm becoming more and more aware that I'll have to learn to code. I need another troll job where I don't have to deal with the general public. Just give me a pile of work and leave me alone with my iPod.
I bartended all the way through college, and now I'm a programmer. I hope to get some more professional experience and then do more of a "making people like me" job, because I'm pretty good at that. I suppose selling software or something?
[deleted] ยท 91 points ยท Posted at 14:56:18 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I have a mate who works in the City of London in finance. Half his job it getting drunk with people and making them like him. He's so very good at it.
I'm the owner of my agency so I can get away with it, but it isn't uncommon to have a bottle of whiskey for lunch w clients that I've known for a while, or with clients that are about to sign papers.
I've only done business in LatAm, so who knows if it's like that in the US still.
This was basically my job in Banking, formally referred to as a 'Management Liaison'. Oddly when recession hits, those jobs tend to be near the front of the line.
This was basically my job in Banking, formally referred to as a 'Management Liaison'. Oddly when recession hits, those jobs tend to be near the front of the line.
A friend from college is the most sociable guy I know. Hugely popular. His grades weren't spectacular, and he majored in a liberal art, but now he's a regional manager of a sales department for a global company and must pull down 250k a year. He's also incredibly happy in his marriage and his family. Sometimes good people skills is all you need.
Meanwhile people tell me I'm one of the smartest people they know, but I'm socially awkward, and I have never had a job interview go well. The only post-college jobs I've ever gotten were because I already knew the person hiring - my best friend's friend, a family friend, my mother's boyfriend, and now my mother.
I'm the same way. Horrible at interviewing but I do an amazing job once I actually get it so ALL my jobs have come from referrals. Problem is I am so shy I don't have that many friends to refer me. I wish every day that I was more outgoing and wasn't so nervous and shy around people. It has absolutely held me back from accomplishing what I would like to do.
I don't know where you are in your career- but find a way to interview as much as possible- even jobs you don't want.
You can fake being sociable- it's a learned skill just like anything else. Be observant, pay attention to their facial queues, use some empathy and put yourself in their shoes- think about what YOU would want to hear from a great candidate.
I'm sure you're a great employee but if the hiring manager doesn't know that, and you don't make it known, that's your fault.
I know how to fake being social and I have a lot of empathy. I've been a manager for many years. The problem is during interviews I am just too nervous and can't think. I've interviewed many, many times. It has not gotten better. Having severe social anxiety is not something that is easily fixable. It is not the same as being unpracticed or the usual butterflies most people feel before an interview.
It's true what they say - it's not what you know, it's who you know!
ladyxdi ยท 58 points ยท Posted at 14:48:50 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Offices are popularity contests. You WANT to be close and personable to the people in charge because those are the ones who will move you up a position.
[deleted] ยท 28 points ยท Posted at 15:02:19 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I got further from talking to a few people in different departments then I did from years of grafting.
not to be confused with grifting, which is actually what they're describing. Although, grafting in terms of horticulture is a lot like grifting.. I just confused myself.
Huh. TIL grafting can mean either corruption or hard work. Use your context wisely, kids!
Fa6ade ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:17:48 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Botanist presumably.
skysten ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:00:12 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
*years of graft.
Joetato ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:51:36 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
When I got my first "real" job (one that wasn't working for my father's company or WalMart) at a bank, I decided the only way to get ahead was isolate myself from most coworkers/management and just have crazy good performance metrics. I figured actions speak louder than words, you know?
I got passed over for every single other position I applied for, despite knowing (for a fact) that I knew more than the people who got it. It was a Tier 2 support position to help out Tier 1 employees. the tier 2's would come to me (a Tier 1) for the really hard stuff because they knew I'd know. We were divided into teams and my team lead (who also was supposed to provide the equivalent of Tier 2 support to the team) would just send everyone else on the team to me because she didn't like answering questions. "I don't know, ask Steve" was her normal answer.
So why the hell didn't I ever get the job? Probably because I stayed as far away from management as possible.
Not just the people in charge, but everyone who might speak to the people in charge. A couple of years ago, we went through almost a full changeout of the project managers on my team, between retirements, contract length limitations, and the end of a hiring freeze, all but one PM was new to the team and company. I made it my goal to become their favorite engineer, mainly by being as nice as possible and doing whatever I could to help them learn our processes and whatever technical information they might find useful to understand how it all works together. It really adds up when every week at the project meeting, each of the new project managers would say things like "QuietIntensity helped me and the customer application team understand how to best structure the user roles so that they can make changes in the future without requiring them to re-engage with us to update their security policies." It also helped that I'm the only female engineer in a team of many engineers, and all of the project managers are women. The guys tend to be a bit gruff, and stereotypically impatient when someone doesn't understand something, and sometimes come off as condescending. I did whatever I could to be friendly and patient, even if I wanted to strangle them for being brain-dead. That same attitude had to extend to our business partners, as I couldn't be super nice to the PM, and shitty to the customers, so they got the super friendly hyper-informative and helpful engineer facade too. Eventually, that facade became more and more comfortable, and I found myself with a far better work environment, because all of these folks would send praise to my management about how nice and helpful I was, and started requesting me for their projects. All of this lead eventually to a '5' rating on my review, a raise, and later, a promotion to a higher level of the same job category and another raise. I'm no more technically competent than before by any significant margin, but the change in attitude at work on it's own has caused major career growth.
Not when your unionized...then you don't have to make anyone like you. Fuck office popularity contests and politics, I'm there to do my job and then leave to do fun things I don't want to deal with that shit.
ladyxdi ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:50:52 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Really because it seems like if you aren't cool with your union reps, they are dicks to you. At least that's what I've been told from various teachers and a shit-bag cable company that won't be named.
S_H_K ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 14:54:50 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
make people like you isn't just a nice attribute, but straight up part of the job description.
Yeah it's kind of telling how salty people get about others having charisma. Charisma is by no means a bad thing. Not having charisma is a way easier way to fail. I don't even interact with people regularly at my job, but if I acted like a troll whenever I had an idea or needed help or something, it definitely wouldn't help.
They're are definitely people who care way too much about high school dynamics, and they aren't all the popular folk. Like seriously, move on.
And pretty much everywhere else. As a shy nerdy dude, through effort I've become more attractive and personable and I've come to realize through the process it's often the less-popular people I used to hang out who are the shitty ones. People like you if you're nice to them and do things like remember stuff about their lives that is important to them, maybe if nobody likes you it's because you're a jerk.
Obviously this doesn't apply to anywhere near everyone, I still love a lot of my same friends, but many have the high and mighty attitude you see in anothersmeghead's comment (those people are useful in sooome roles, clearly since they're attractive they're dumber than me). It's like they're insecure so they have to convince themselves those attractive "cool" people must be stupider or more shallow or less committed, whatever. I used to be that way sometimes until I realized it's pathetic and mean, not to mention completely false. Attractive, popular people are often that way because they really have their shit together.
I don't know, it just irks me. I even have old friends who are heavy that try to act like my fitness routine is some sign of deeply held insecurity. But that's a whole other can of worms.
elwebst ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:29:17 on June 1, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I spent a year at an ad agency (the rest of my career has been client-side). I'm telling you, what an awakening. The unbelievably hot girls you only saw for a brief second on campus, with an entourage of drooling guys following them? They work at ad agencies, in "account management", where they smile a great deal to 50+ year old client dudes and make them feel cool, who in turn shovel out giant piles of cash onto the agency.
I was the nerd in the corner who would analyze the clients' databases and tell them who their customers were and how to find more people like them. Or more accurately, I'd tell a minion, who would tell the super hot Account Manager, who would tell the client, who would stain his khakis and sign another huge contract.
Fair enough but I will be the exception. 30 year old die-hard comics and movies nerd and I excel in my sales position. While the prom queens laughed I played MTG at the lunchroom table. I'm certain I make more than they do. It's all about being able to engage and build that genuine relationship
Journalist. Politician. Lawyer. Doctor. Mechanic. Teacher, instructor or trainer of any kind. If you need other people to work with you, charisma can be the #1 most important quality you can have.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:52:36 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Further, if you are good at making people like you, you're more likely to get a promotion and less likely to have your peers resent you for getting said promotion.
JCoop8 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:47:57 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Came here to talk about this. While your high school popularity may not have any pull, there are still plenty of fields that will use the skills that caused them to become popular. And in almost all fields, those people skills become networking skills which can help to advance you no matter what field you are in.
[deleted] ยท 142 points ยท Posted at 14:34:23 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I dont blame her. Fresh out of high school you've done so little you have to list everything you can. I tell my students put everything, volunteer hours, clubs, sports etc.
I'm wondering when it's no longer acceptable to include HS stuff. I did a lot of shit in high school (Student government pres, Honor society pres, etc.) And it looks so much better than the few jobs I've had since (gas station and retail before where I am now at an insurance company). There's just so much room to fill and so little to put in it.
I would say when you have relevant experience to replace it. Use prom queen to get a job, but use the job you got when you go on to apply for other jobs.
kciuq1 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 17:36:12 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I would say the limit is the point when you have graduated college, or are old enough to have graduated college, so about 25. You don't want to appear to have peaked in high school either.
2 years or 3 other experiences, after than it looks odd that at 20 you're talking about your glory days in high school unless you're still in school and/or active in that same activity but in a different role (ie; now a volunteer teacher at computer club).
Kids should really try to do some volunteer work outside of what may be mandated by the school because those are the best references.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:28:29 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I dropped everything from high school from resume entirely my sophomore year of college--it doesn't even say where I went. I made an effort to replace those things as I went along--particularly joining a couple clubs at my University and getting some new volunteer experience. I think volunteering is a pretty big one--I wanted potential employers to see that I'm continually involved in the community, rather than for a couple years when it was required in high school. I'm no expert, but I think it might be more meaningful to put on a resume that you're currently in a leadership position, or have been volunteering somewhere and are still doing it.
Put it in until you have something better, honestly. Then, if it has been ten years and you're still putting it on there, evaluate why you haven't done better and make some changes. I have a buddy that's 35 that still has umpiring high school baseball when he was a college freshman on his resume. We all keep telling him to drop it, but he seems really proud of it for some reason.
It honestly depends on the job that's being applied for. If the experience is relevant to what you are trying to do, then put it! If you are putting your experience as a high school yearbook editor on your resume for a job in engineering...it's not gonna work. But if the job is for a newspaper or other graphic design field, then it's relevant and could work.
Basically, figure out what the people hiring would like to see, then see what you've done that fits that description.
When I was about 13 I was buying a new PC game from a game store. The clerk there tried to talk me out of it, saying it was a lame game and stupid. He wasn't trying to talk me into buying something else, he just didn't like that game and thought it was stupid anyone would want to buy it.
Got told the same thing when I bought ATV vs MX for my PSP. I play the hell out of this game..
But I should've listen when they told me Watchdog was trash.. I'm still bitter about it..
[deleted] ยท 42 points ยท Posted at 14:54:49 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I still couldn't believe the first 'hack' event where you should chase down some guy who is trying to hack into your phone, and gun him down in broad daylight (fuck bystanders), when the main storyline is that your niece was collateral damage in your own fucktardary.
It's as if the people who wrote the script, and created the game scenarios had never even met. The game was total crap on that alone.
My favorite stupid scene from that game was a part where the old criminal mastermind dude says to the gang boss something along the lines of, don't cross me like a stoat. And the boss is like wtf is a stoat? And the dude next to him says, it's like a weasel, who then gets rewarded by being beaten to death by the boss. Fuck you for knowing words I don't you lowly grunt!
8oD ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:06:16 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Anyone named Aiden (or Breydan, Caydan, Eidan, etc down the line)I try to steer clear of.
How is that any different from the nuanced characters in GTAV who you can send on murderous rampages regardless of which character it is though? Franklin isn't the type to steal a tank a murder a hundred people but you can have him do it.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:34:03 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You send them on rampages. It's very different when the story hinges on the death of an innocent, meanwhile someone hacks your phone you just assume it's not related and now need to hunt him download and murder them in retaliation, and if a bystander gets killed, oh well I won't bother me!
It's inconsistent and horribly written and executed. It make more sense if Adrian crybaby would become an hero after accidently king someone, but that's too complex
if it was one of the big chains, the guy probably cared more about helping a kid out than he did making a sale. doubt he was making commission on each sale.
Yeah, what the fuck? As someone who used to have poor people skills and envied those that did, I turned myself into someone who does. It's been the most helpful skill I've ever learned.
Redditors think having a degree ensures a job, when, in fact, it's only part of who you are. It proves you are able to learn enough to pass exams, but it doesn't prove you are a good fit for our company. People skills can sometimes outweigh a lack of knowledge when it comes to getting a job. Not many people want to work with an antisocial person unless they are REALLY good at what they do.
Yup. I've never had a job interview that didn't turn into an offer. Hell, I just accepted a new position at one job and landed my current company as my first new contract during my exit interview with my current president.
This was my experience too. Desperation for work lead me into working in retail sales (Best Buy, mall stores, etc), which taught me how to talk to people that I didn't know, and how to deal with being in constant social contact with other employees. It was a mixed and sometimes difficult bag at first, but forcing myself into it taught me how to interact with a way bigger array of people.
I'm a technical writer now. A really important part of my job is talking to people and getting information out of them, and having a lot of experience with different sorts of people prepared me well for this kind of work.
I hope my futurechildren go into computer science, but they'll work in retail for a year or two no matter what else they're good at.
Theres a difference between pleasing the hivemind and social skills. When i think popularity, i never think about smart people, i picture a dumb blonde bimbo on the table getting banged by fifty cocks. Life gave her two wonderful things, and thats the only thing she can exploit. Where as people in obscurity have to work on actual skills to make it in life.
Unless your name is Richard Branson... Then you can have both.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 15:31:18 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You really shouldn't call that attractive girl a slut, just because she didn't like you.
Thats actually well put. But i didnt intent it like that at all. I have a tendency to come of like an asshole, hence the difference between pleasing people and social skills. We could talk about it a bit more, but the longer i talk the bigger the asshole i become usually. Its better if i just shut up =D
It's a toss up but you're right, you can't judge a book by its cover. When I ran a GameStop many years back (before the first wii came out) I hired probably 25 people during that time. My favorite were the kids in sports, almost every time. Not only were they dedicated to their sport, they're looking for some cash at 16-18 years old, while still going to highschool. No matter the motivation, these kids stayed busy and knew how to work hard. Just had to work with their schedules, and bam, you've got a solid staff.
The absolute worst applicants were always the die-hard gamers. So? Why are you interested in working here? "Oh man, I'm such huge gamer, I play games like 8 hours a day." They weren't really interested in the work, they were interested immersing themselves in game culture. Not a bad quality but stereotypically they ended up being the hardest to call in, hardest to get to hustle.
Anytime you're hiring in a non specialty/non skilled setting, athletes are going to have an engrained advantage. They already have one of the most important skills.
I did sports year round in high school. Never was very good, did it mostly to stay in shape, but damn am I glad I did looking back on it.
There are honestly so many qualities and behaviors you develop by being in a sport, I think everyone should be required to be in one in high school. Sounds extreme, but I really think it would do a lot of people a lot of good
I think everyone should be required to be in one in high school.
Fuck that. There is a far cry between thinking everyone should participate in a sport, and requiring it. I can't think of anything shittier than practice with people who are doing it because they are forced.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:20:10 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
One year when I was playing hockey, I was on the worst team in the league. We did not win a single game. The life lessons I learned that year are invaluable.
Yep, that's it. Stocking shelves, cleaning the store, getting on register when a line forms, giving good cs, answering question, alphabetizing. It's simple work, it was hard to get some kids to do it.
annul ยท 70 points ยท Posted at 15:22:31 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ha oh god, I mean yeah there was some of that too. I was a bad store manager in that regard and is ultimately why I left GameStop. I told customers constantly that the warren ties were not worth it. I'd pitch it, see if they want it, but let them know it's a terrible warranty overall.
The magazine subs and preorders were still always a good idea. We were a small store so pre-ordering at ours was crucial if you wanted to make sure you got the new game on release. And the magazine did come with a dope card for discounts and trade-ins. At the end of the day though, I don't believe in pressuring my customers into something they don't really want. I know it's crazy GameStop, but some people just don't want it. If I want them back in my store again, I'm not going to make them uncomfortable. If they want to just come in and buy a game unbothered, they could do that in my store.
GameStop didn't agree ;) thankfully, 10 years later, I have a way better career at a way better company. GameStop can jump off a bridge for all I care. They can take my district manager with them, that sleezy scumbag.
Hustling at gamestop makes the difference between a gamestop you walk in and buy a game, and a gamestop you walk in and wait for 30 minutes while a line of two gets rang out.
I know this girl who was 17-18 at the time was having trouble getting a summer job before going to university. I told her to stop looking for jobs in restaurants and try some game/tech shops. She got a job the first day she went looking.
I find it hard to justify that anymore. I mean, if I enter the store, I'm gonna leave with something sure, but if I already know something I want, most of the time I just buy it online. The only games I actually want physical copies of are 3DS games, and with Amazon offering 10% off and release-day delivery on a lot of them now, it doesn't really make sense for me to go to gamestop.
I totally agree here. I work in GAME, and the absolute worst people to hire the majority of the time are the die-hards. When selling gaming consoles, we're always taught that no matter how much you love one platform, you can never try and oversell it over the other. For example, I love my PC and PS4 and would never touch an Xbox one myself. But if a customer asked, I wouldn't shoot the Xbox down to them. It would be a decision based on their likes and dislikes, not mine. The amount of kids we get in the interviews who start console wars between each other to the point they wouldn't even sell it to each other is worrying. Whereas people who probably know gaming but aren't die-hards, or charismatic people who can gain the knowledge understand that you can't show favoritism.
And that's just one example. I can think of many times we've regretted taking that one guy because he was 'alright' in the interview.
listen- ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:16:45 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm assuming that was a minimum wage job and got really excited that hardworking high-schoolers were the ones working there. As it should be. Not 45 year old men with 3 dwis who need a job within walking distance of their by the month motel room, demanding $15/hr. That's a real example, so nobody get mad
God, I cant believe the first wii is considered an ancient system now. I stopped buying consoles after the N64 (but I had every one from the colecovision up to the n64), and I bought a wii for the party games, what feels like yesterday. But I guess it was a long time ago now.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 14:49:31 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't know if you use the word in American English but I found these young sporty types to be grafters.
[deleted] ยท 47 points ยท Posted at 14:32:39 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So, high school prom queens are popular among video game lounge clientele. Next thing you know, the mountain dew machine is a huge success.
I mean once you get out of high school and into some competitive fields, everyone was the smart kid in HS, so IQ doesn't mean shit.
As a IT consultant, I can tell you that EQ, the ability to read into other people's non verbal cues, and the ability to communicate IT concepts into everyday conversational language, is far more important in my industry than IQ.
That being said, it's still kind of an odd thing to put on a resume IMO
When you're just out of school your resume often looks very sad and small and you feel like you should put anything you can on it. I put a list of hobbies on my first resume.
Which worked out -- one of my hobbies was making web pages, (this was back when Geocities was king), and that got me the job since no one else in the office knew anything about the web.
[deleted] ยท 52 points ยท Posted at 14:51:03 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Yes. And a garish background that prevented you from reading the colored text. And animated gifs. And a visitor counter, of course. And a links section, so you could visit my friends and the random websites I thought were funny. Sadly (or fortunately), it wasn't archived by the Wayback Machine.
But at least with Geocities you had to have a little skill to do that, unlike MySpace. :)
8oD ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 16:10:46 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah I do recall some difficulty in trying to get the resume filled up when I first started. Yet another reason for High Schoolers to volunteer. Seriously, volunteering did wonders for networking with people in the community, getting me scholarships for college, having quality items on the resume, and just getting me the ability to help others. Any HS kid reading this, please do yourself a favor and volunteer
Just graduated high school. I have tons of volunteering on it (as well as jobs I've had). No doubt that I have a stacked resume, just had a really hard time getting it to fit on the page.
Listing hobbies is great. Be sure to add a reason why your particular hobby is applicable to the job you want. For instance:
"Classical piano (since age three): Mastering the piano has made me highly focused and determined, and the study of music in general is well known to increase one's [whatever 'well known' cognitive benefits studying music gives that I can't recall]."
That might be a little wordy, but you get the overall gist. Otherwise they just gloss over it, because they're busy and don't have time to make the connection themselves.
Plus, the more hobbies you have, the more well rounded you are. I'm a web developer, but I'm also an amateur novelist. (In addition to being a pianist.) This means my email communication is of a high enough quality that I can connect with clients directly if need be. (Or that my boss can copy and paste my words to a client, changing only the pronouns, lol. It amuses me whenever that happens.)
I can understand in a way her thought process. An 18 yr old HS graduate doesn't have much on their resume.
I was editing a few resumes of kids I mentored. Being older, I can easily fill a page on my resume. I mean, dudes like you or I probably have trouble keeping things to one page.
A lot of these kids had like one job and maybe one extra curricular activity in school. Maybe they volunteered. I can see a HS grad putting everything they can on a resume just to fill it up.
I mean I totally get the why, don't get me wrong. I could easily see hiring managers interpreting that the wrong way [Management is weird]. Could be seen as conceit, or managers could still be holding their own grudges with "Popular Kids" based on their own experiences. Maybe putting "High Emotional Intelligence" would have been a good neutral way of approaching it, and then expanding on it in the interview when asked.
Of course this is hindsight after being in multiple jobs that involve looking at resumes then passing on to management
vouuxx ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:02:28 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I graduated last year, and I haven't applied for work yet- doing that this summer, but the best I could do for a resume is probably...
President of the Dance Club for one semester
Four years of acting experience
Graduated high school
Directed cars in a parking lot for a month
I feel like not much of that means anything to an employer.
Haha, are you asking for real advice? I'm not an expert or anything, but I would put skills at the top, education, and then your job experiences. I'm sure you'll do fine for most jobs you're applying for too.
I work as an IT consultant as well and social skills is such an important part of our industry. I have been on jobs where other contractors will have their contracts cut short mainly because they don't gel with the team.
Every contract they have wanted me to go permanent with them and have had previous contracts ask for me to re-join them - I dont even think I'm the most technical out there but I havent been without a contract now for 5 years.
I'm recruiting at the moment for a regional middle-mgt position. One guy put on his CV, under his current role's job's responsibilities and acheivements: "attended team meetings on time"
I'm in high school now. Maybe it's just my school specifically, but the whole clique system everyone on Reddit seems to talk about having seen has completely dissolved.
In my school all the popular kids are the kids who do a lot of clubs, have the best grades, and are the most sociable and polite. All the athletes aren't in a class of their own because usually all the athletes also have the best grades and are the most sociable and polite.
No one gets made fun of for being smart or nerdy or anything; it's more like the most popular people are the smartest and wittiest and the most knowledgeable about nerd culture.
Basically in high school now, your popularity is judged by how hard you work. If you dress well, exercise, do a lot of clubs, and keep your GPA up, you're popular. If you sit in the corner on your phone and refuse to participate in anything, you're unpopular.
Orthas ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:21:12 on June 1, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm a few years out of high school and got to see the transition in progress. It was kind of interesting to see happen.
It's because it was added as an afterthought without first removing the question mark?, right?, it makes me twitch, too., but I see why it was done., still hasty and sloppy,,,,
I actually put her application at the bottom of the pile and hired her out of desperation, but it just proved how foolish that approach was in the end when she started showing up almost everyone else working there.
To be fair, prom queen is definitely relevant to a resume as at the vast majority of schools it comes with leadership and outreach responsibilities on top of the popularity contest stuff.
Yes, if their house sucks or their Internet sucks or their selection of new / old games sucks or their social life sucks.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:24:21 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Those people are usually the most successful people at every business. OP probably knows more than these kids ever will but he's 38 and stuck training people. Meanwhile these kids will get promoted quicker and probably be OP's boss one day if they decide to stay with this company.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:29:54 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
just because you're popular doesn't mean you're automatically an idiot
Faukez ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:24:29 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That makes a lot of sense and really shouldn't be surprising. After all, isn't there that really common trope about the popular jocks becoming great car salesmen?
Prom King/Queen and Homecoming King/Queen are different. At my school, Homecoming court usually has more dicks/assholes/bitches/sluts and the Prom court usually had a more diverse crowd of nice people in it.
I hired a young man who had Eagle Scout on his application. I was willing to give him a chance because it takes a lot of work to get to that point. Second worst employee I had. He lied all the time and was so lazy, I wondered if his mother did all of his merit badges for him. Didn't even bother to call into work, just stopped showing up and when I finally got ahold of him, he said he quit, that his new job started in an hour. Ha ha! You can't always trust those extra application add-ons.
SamEZ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:48:13 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I won class clown in high school and put it on resume's until I finished college. Kind of makes me cringe now but I had a string of cool jobs back then!
This is accurate. I was pretty popular in high school. I was cool with all the different groups of kids. I don't think I was a snob though. But nowadays I'm really excellent at working with people. It's just what I do and it has gotten me far in a career.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:24:39 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Curious what do red pills actually taste like?
clarret ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 15:15:12 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Rofl you think what I said was red pilled? Hahaha that beta comment really pissed you all off :P
My comment is the obvious explanation for this idiots story. If you don't see that, then I just did you a favor and saved you $100 on an IQ test. Score: Sub 100.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:17:35 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
How do you cope with being one of the select people in the world who manages to see through all the bullshit?
Also why the fuck would I give a shit what my IQ is? Its not as if I would write it on my CV.
clarret ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 15:52:19 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
There's no coping necessary. It's obvious what's bullshit when you're intelligent. Something you clearly lack
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:52:38 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Obviously
clarret ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:17:31 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Glad you agree. Guess this convo is done and any reply would be very immature of you.
I worked at a grocery store in high school. I was not a popular kid at school, but at work, I was part of the "in crowd." It's amazing how the social structure changes when you're not in the same place. Nobody cared that I "wasn't cool" at school when I was at work. I was just a fun, nice person to work with. A couple of time the "cool kids" from my school who also worked with me tried to let everybody know that I wasn't one of the cool kids at school. But, nobody at the store cared. They liked me, regardless of my social standing in high school.
[deleted] ยท 23 points ยท Posted at 19:18:05 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"A couple of time the "cool kids" from my school who also worked with me tried to let everybody know that I wasn't one of the cool kids at school. But, nobody at the store cared. They liked me, regardless of my social standing in high school."
Wtf, that's just straight up mean. Who the f would do that? Like, what does it accomplish for them? Jerks.
Yeah some people are mentally still in high school. I have friends who bring up stuff from high school all the time to try to embarrass me and make me seem lame in front of a girl or a group or something. One guy in particular brings up the same story about me every time we see each other, only he had of course sensationalized it to make me look worse and the story more interesting.
I'm sure OP didn't mean they actually went around to convince his coworkers, I'm sure he meant that they tried to knock him down a peg visibly in front of others or did certain gestures to convey that he was less. Also I'm sure they wanted their own work ethic to be ignored and wanted to be treated like how they were in highschool so they tried to get everyone to fulfill their old roles.
Those werent cool kids. Just dickheads. Most popular kids are very likeable and nice. Everyone in highschool is the same as everone else. They like nice people. Some have sick parties tho so you suck it up.
[deleted] ยท -68 points ยท Posted at 14:43:37 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They tend to be pretty nice to the "special" kids regardless of how cool they are man.
Being the "in" kid with a bunch of lifers at a grocery store makes you so hip. You guys must've hit the club a lot.
[deleted] ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 18:21:15 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You must still be in high school.
patio87 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:45:34 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Night crew of a grocery store.
cucufag ยท 1515 points ยท Posted at 14:03:58 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Honestly I think the generation born before the 90's needs recognize that "highschool popular kids" are a totally different concept today than it was before.
The stereotypes I see being discussed by people in their 30's and 40's, along with the tropes I see in written media, are far less prevalent in high school culture today. You don't really get shit like FOOTBALL JOCKS running around with their highschool leather jackets shoving nerds aside and winning prom king, that shit's practically extinct.
I understand that there are still a large number of highschool kids who are outcasts, having less friends than normally and don't get to date as much, but that's not a result of their social cliche, it's a symptom of their own lack of sociability.
Today the "popular kids" can be seen anywhere, doing anything. Band geeks, debate team, computer science labs, after school gyms, wrestling club, swim team, whatever you want to do as long as you lead an active and outgoing life style. You'd be amazed at how much the popular athletic highschool kid today gets along with the kid who plays magic the gathering in the cafeteria during lunch. He probably knows a lot about star wars, is a huge fan of marvel superheroes, and can at least name all the first generation of pokemon... we all grew up with that.
[deleted] ยท 826 points ยท Posted at 14:18:10 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Like in 21 jump street where Schmidt became the popular one
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:19:21 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Shit, at that point might as well make it easier on yourself and get a backpack with the wheels on it!
[deleted] ยท 41 points ยท Posted at 15:05:28 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They're these crunchy granola dudes who have convinced everyone that they're cool, but they're not cool. It's backwards and unnatural and it's gotta be stopped.
Exactly. I graduated in 2011 and I noticed that transition. Before I got to my high school, it was much like it was in the 80's with jocks and cheerleaders, but by the time I graduated, the smarter kids were becoming more popular. Now it's almost completely flipped. There are no more jocks and cheerleaders running the school, it's all about having an outgoing healthy lifestyle and you can be whatever you want. Yes there are still cliques, but it has all changed.
I have always been a great speller, but there are some words you just miss. I'm also the same guy that pronounced the word chic "chick" for the longest time until my girlfriend corrected me. It's been over a year and she still makes fun of me.
I went to highschool in the late 80's. The smart kids were the jocks. The Hollywood stereotype on the dumb jock didn't exist. Our valedictorian was the quarterback. Varsity wrestlers got academic scholarships. I think some 'outsiders' liked to believe they were dumb because that made them feel better. However that was far from the case.
It's weird, same year and basically everyone I knew was simultaneously thought of as popular and unpopular depending on who you ask. Most people would just be like "uhhhh... popular?"
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:32:42 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What's popular tends to change over time but who is popular is still largely driven by the traits that made people popular in past decades.
asifnot ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:52:22 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
lol so it changed sometime in the late 2000s? That's pretty much yesterday to people pushing 40.
djc6535 ยท 162 points ยท Posted at 15:07:23 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
As a 34 year old this is definitely something I have noticed in the younger generation. For everything that you kids do that bugs me, (and yes, there's plenty, that's part of getting old) this stands out as the great redeemer... as something that tells me 'They are a step ahead of where we were'.
Being smart isn't a faux pax now. Being 'iamverysmart' is, and always should be... but it used to be that anybody in the honors classes was a 'try-hard'. I recall my friends.. friends in wrestling telling me I needed to drop calculus because it was "ruining my rep*. That I was pretty cool, but as soon as people found out that I tried hard in school it meant I shouldn't be invited to parties and the like.
It's not quite the movie "football jock pushing nerds" thing that you see in John Hughes movies... but it is a "It's not cool to work. It's cool to be snide and cynical and skate by" mentality. Nobody was getting physical with the nerds... flexing their muscles in front of the girls. It was just more of a "You shouldn't be playing their game..." kind of self destructive attitude. These people tended to pick on younger kids for their enthusiasm as well. That's where the real bullying set in.
That's all gone now. All Gone! It's fantastic. Teens help younger kids out. They're polite (ish) to each other. Being smart is appreciated. Being interested in school or books or video games or d&d or comic book characters doesn't make you a pariah. You're judged by how you treat people. That's a HUGE step forward from where I was in school in the 90s and it's a credit to you and your parents.
[deleted] ยท 45 points ยท Posted at 15:55:58 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Someone posted it further down, but I would say the changing point was after columbine. People started taking bullying much more seriously. Kids are taught a young age to be nice, polite and help others out if they witness it.
I would argue instead that it's the John Hughes movies, and a host of others like it, that made school cliques overall more fun and chill. Constant media shows and movies ever since the 1980s were teaching kids that bullying wasn't cool, but a petty, idiotic way to be.
Or maybe I just don't like admitting that one brief spasm of violence led to a positive outcome. But I think we shouldn't discount the effect of Hollywood indoctrination either.
Oh, believe me bullying is still a huge thing but it's all done online now. 99% of the high school drama I have to deal with as a teacher involves shit said on twitter, snapchat, or vine. As for traditional "bullying" I rarely see that because, as you said, this generation of kids has been indoctrinated since preschool to not bully.
Growing up my dad always taught me to hate a bully. To treat them the same as they treated the weak. That whole sheep dog and the wolf speech got brought up in my house a lot. I got in a lot of fights in school, threw the first punch in most of them. Never once got in trouble, because the teachers appreciated when someone did what they couldn't.
I was in high school during columbine. I would say what he means, we're at the point where kids who were born around columbine are now in their later high school years. The anti bullying campaign kids now fill those halls, and it clearly has made a difference. You just missed it based on your dates
I graduated HS in 2010, there was no bullies while I was there. Every one hung out with every one.Athletes, band, honor students, cheerleaders, preppy kids, gamers, even the ghetto people all got along.That's not to say there were never fights, but it was unrelated to what group you were a part of.I guess it just depends on your area
I noticed the change well before Columbine. Perhaps the act of Columbine made it speed up and spread faster, but this type of mentality we're discussing has been prevalent in the Midwest/Heartland since the mid 90's.
Edit: Thinking on it, yeah, I guess Columbine did help promote a, "Don't bully those you don't accept/like" mentality.
I feel like I was in the transition period between now and the John Hughes high school stereotype period. Early part of high school was like John Hughes, and the last two years, people were more integrated.
ncopp ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:22:41 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I graduated in 2015 and for me it seemed like it was way more impressive to everyone if you could get good grades and not even try. It was like who could get the best grade in english without actually reading any of the material.
Sure you can. Your intention and advice are good, but people in society are not homogenous. There are some who don't have to work period, and others who can earn a great deal with a little smarts and not much effort.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:01:15 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
D&D is still really nerdy. At least where I'm from.
As a Class of 98 hs grad, I started noticing a small shift. We used to have pep rallies to honor the sports achievements. Either my junior or senior year, my classmates protested the exclusion of academics being honored. They protested so much they got the pep rallies canceled completely. Not sure why they couldn't just include the academics, but at least it showed the school kids caring about smart kids too.
Removing leaded fuel and lead plumbing has made a world of difference in behavioral differences between generations. Lead is known to create this negative personality, just look at any 45 year old working in the trades to see living examples.
There are plenty of reasons for this type of change; but, basically, kids, in general, are far more well informed. Society has changed. Being gay isn't a huge deal. Racism and general prejudice is at an all time low, though the media might depict otherwise. Reform is happening and has been happening, at the grassroots level, for a long time.
I went to a highschool during the 8th and 9th grade, before switching schools, back during 97-99. Kids had far more free time on their hands and used to beat people up for fun. If guys were caught dancing, they were "super gay" and made a mockery of. Being smart was only okay if it could be used, intermittently, to help the bozo popular kids out. Otherwise, shaming is the only option. I used to hate that school. Fast forward to 2011 and I'm teaching at that school. The majority of teachers remained the same. Administration did change, yes; but, boy are he kids different. Dancing is no longer considered gay and lots of guys love to dance and play all kinds of activities. Kids are more engrossed in social media and general interactions on their phones rather than beating people up or bullying/vandalism.
Things have changed drastically and I'm super glad for it. Fuck the 90s, as far as that is concerned.
The way I see it, is basically everyone except the bottom 1% and the top 1% have amalgamated. The bottom 1% still gets beat up and fucked with, and the top 1% are tbh not even mean, just everyone pretty much knew they were the cool kids. The other 98% are basically all on the same level. I graduated 2014, so pretty recent.
cucufag ยท 57 points ยท Posted at 14:38:00 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The top 1% probably isn't the ones beating up the bottom 1%. Even if no one likes the bottom 1%, your image won't get away unscratched when you're seen treating other people poorly. They're probably popular because they're nice.
no that's what im saying, the bottom 1% gets beat up by some of the more asshole kids in the middle, and the coolest kids are the ones who are pretty much nice to everyone.
There's the kids that are popular because they're assholes that everyone knows, and there's popular kids who everyone knows because they are involved in this or that and sociable
I have never seen any serious form of bullying going on in my school. At most, people will make a snarky comment and then talk trash about you behind your back. That is a really Irish thing, though. We are friendly to most people, but as soon as their back is turned, we are evil
Yeah, I never heard of or witnessed any TV style bullying when I was in high school. And the only discernable group that mostly stuck to themselves were the Juggalos and even they got along with everyone else in group projects and stuff.
In my experience, the top 1% are usually nice enough to defend the bottom 1%. If someone makes fun about a "loser", a popular kid just has to say "Not cool." or something and it stops. Except the "loser" is really just an asshole, which often is the case. Than nobody will help him.
Popular kids are usually popular for a reason and are also Friends with everybody.
Yep you're right. I'm thinking of one guy in particular that I graduated with and he pretty much was a huge asshole, but also probably had mild Aspergers and he thought that everyone didn't like him because he was weird but it was actually because he was mean to everyone. He's probably still like that unless he's grown up a lot.
[deleted] ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 14:34:39 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
That's really nice to hear :)
Sad I missed out on that! I'm not even in my 30's yet but my experience was totally different.
I think in my era we were at a halfway point -- no one beat you up and jocks didn't rule the school, but you were still weird if you joined certain clubs (in my school it was anyone who joined JROTC or any agriculture club -- city folk made fun of the country kids).
cucufag ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 14:39:28 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
There will still be problems, there will still be an unspoken heirarchy, and certain schools will suffer from these issues far more than others.
But I do genuinely believe things have gotten a lot better, and a student's popularity isn't determined by their interests/clubs/hobbies anymore.
Get off my lawn and let us old folks hate people! We're good at it.
[deleted] ยท 124 points ยท Posted at 14:12:20 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
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cucufag ยท 154 points ยท Posted at 14:31:30 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You know what other stereotype drives me nuts?
The whole "You guys will be working for me when we're older" nonsense. No, they're gonna join the military or go to college or learn a trade or something and live a nice life and completely forget about you.
I knew a guy that said that and he was an outcast even in the "outcast" group. He would always get irrationally angry, like Dragonball style. Fists and jaw clenched, stomped a foot and pointed dramatically. Dude thought he was in an anime.
He would tell people they will be working for him and they really aren't. Last I've heard he's had multiple unstable relationships, creates all kinds of problems for his roommates (moving in and out of his parents place every other month) and works at Walmart.
cucufag ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:26:20 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Poor guy probably missed his chance to become an anime protagonist. He wasn't the chosen one, he didn't run in to a girl with toast in her mouth, there were no alien invasion, and he was just a few years too early to be trapped in a virtual reality video game.
That stereotype was put out by the rise in hotshot kids in business. Gates, Zuckerberg, Jobs... Smart kids who started with nothing but their brains and made a fortune... The less social smart kids for a while idolized them, and assumed that their brains would be enough to make them the winners.
Unless they go into the military and the other kid becomes the president.
Forkyou ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:55:07 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ah its this weird black white seeing in media. If you are popular you are sporty but dumb and if you are not popular you are smart. It is entirely possible to be popular, sporty and smart while it is also pretty possible to be unpopular unathletic and dumb.
Meanwhile, I graduated nearly a decade ago and face the completely stereotypical high school drama. I had rocks pitched at me, people would dump trash on my head, and people often even yelled 'fucking nerds!' or less kind and now extremely un-PC things at my social group. The bulling at my high school was very out of control. One girl I recall was bullied much worse than I ever was. She ended up switching schools after someone attacked her in the bathroom and broke her front teeth on a toilet.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:26:09 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I just graduated debt-free with my MFA and have a job interview on Thursday for an amazing job. I'm quite happy with how things turned out.
annul ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:49:52 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
One girl I recall was bullied much worse than I ever was. She ended up switching schools after someone attacked her in the bathroom and broke her front teeth on a toilet.
and her name was moaning myrtle
[deleted] ยท -12 points ยท Posted at 14:37:57 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
shouldn't it say P-inC ?
KamuiT ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 14:54:32 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hell, I was the kid in high school that looked very young, was nerdy, and not great with the social skills, but because I was actually nice to people, I was generally liked. I had the entire football team pretty much tell me "Anyone messes with you, you just let us know." That was a nice feeling to have. I've never really seen the Football Jock, but I also went to the "Black School" as a white kid.
I changed highschools a few times, and moved in the middle of middle/highschool, so i saw it in several differnet evirmonets, with differnet kids, and different trends etc. 2 christian college prep schools with very different staff, teaching, and student bodies, 1 psych ward/school/behavioral health place, 1 .. rather unique alternative school, and most of the kids in my neighborhodd/my friends went to the two huge area public school.
When I went to highschools with "jocks" (I've always been athletic as well but I fell more into the weirdo/stoner category) the nice, polite 'not popular' kids, the special needs kids, nerds etc. got the same treatment you describe. The stereotypical angry petty neckbeard types, the narcs, the judgmental self rightous religious weirdos (not like chill people that have a religion ) were the ones no one wanted to hang out with or invite to stuff and sometimes gave them shit because highschool. Even when I was at my main highschool that didn't have an athletic program, the same thing applied with the popular/not popular people.
Generally it had nothing to do with hobbies etc. I worked out at lunch and play lots of video games, some of them weighed in at 350+ and friendly frat types and we had like heart of gold ghetto kids and stuff. Anyway, popular, not popular, etc. always had to do with who was chill, down to smoke, wouldn't pick fights or start shit, would be kind to special needs kids and ignore anything to do with each other's parents tax bracket, wouldn't be bitchy to the teen mom in the group and accepting taking turns with the little one if we were gonna hang out at her house***, that kind of thing.
It was never even entirely a having social skills and being outgoing thing nearly so much as it was a Not Being A Dick and being able to take a joke, be chill, and mind your own bussiness, and most importantly, having good hygiene kind of thing.
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*** due to circumstances with the moms life (she was working her ass off though. We may not have been tight or agreed on everything, but mad props) and the way the alt school was like family, we all joked that the baby was our school mascot and helped the mom out and stuff.
KamuiT ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:02:53 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, this is pretty much it. I've found this to be the only reason(s) people would cast someone out. Negativity just repulses people, so it's to be expected that no one would want to be around you.
We had a transgender homecoming queen at the school I work at. Not only did a transgendered student run for homecoming queen but she won! As someone who graduated from high school in the 90's this blew my mind (in a good way).
I always smh at the stereotypical portrayal of popular kids, because in my high school, the smart band kids were the top of the heap. They all studied together. Mind you, we didn't have a strong athletic presence, so that could be why. No football/basketball that the school could build its identity around.
It'd be an interesting sociology study.
cucufag ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:41:49 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Marching bands became really competitive when I was in highschool. Everyone in school loved them. Might've been just our school though because ours kept winning and went to regionals.
No doubt. I graduated in 2002, and it was like that at my school. I was in multiple groups. Relatively popular in the skater/punk/music scene, but still ran with the nerdy kids, and the artsy kids too.
With a few exceptions, most kids weren't that judgey. If you liked the same stuff and they liked you, it wasn't a big thing. I grew up in a military family and transferred in though, so sadly I never made the long lasting bonds I see among the ones that grew up together though.
College is different because mostly everyone is starting from the same point on the same time table (might not be true at smaller localized schools).
but that's not a result of their social cliche, it's a symptom of their own lack of sociability.
Completely agreed.
'Girls don't like me!'
'Have you tried talking to them instead of idolizing them?'
'No...'
'Ok, well start with that and go from there'
To many people want to bitch instead of change because bitching is easy and you can get sympathy.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:33:37 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I graduated from HS in 1997, so I remember the old concept (Football Jocks slamming geeks into lockers, etc.) It was real, and it wasn't too much fun (and I wasn't even a social outcast or anything.... I actually did alright in those years.)
However, after finishing grad school I began doing some private music teaching in high schools. To my surprise - in only ten years - the new concept that you describe had really taken hold, and it was amazing to see.
High School seems a lot less tense and rigid these days, with a wider variety of kids getting to shine at their various strengths. (Not even to mention the sea change in treatment of LGBT youth, which has been mind-bogglingly quick.)
That being said, it's not all better... the much increased presence of law enforcement in schools these days is troubling to me... but that's another discussion for another time and place.
dharp95 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:47:00 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Plus being gay. I think it was on the Mindy Project, where she was trying to mentor some kid, and he was gay, and she was "omg, you must be being bullied. Its okay. It gets better", and he was all like, "bitch please, im the most awesome kid there" and it cuts to him walking the halls with his friends and the football captain hitting on him.
cucufag ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 15:20:40 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Gay acceptance still seems to be a state by state basis. Being gay is like the coolest thing ever in a certain state and you'll still be bullied in others.
[deleted] ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 14:27:23 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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theg33k ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:45:07 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't think it was the internet that brought everyone together at all. There was a huge culture shift in school administrations across the country after Columbine. It really opened up everyone's eyes to the kinds of damage that results from allowing bullying and other abuse to continue in schools. Once we really dropped the hammer on the bad actors things seemed to improve for most kids.
The stereotypes I see being discussed by people in their 30's and 40's, along with the tropes I see in written media, are far less prevalent in high school culture today. You don't really get shit like FOOTBALL JOCKS running around with their highschool leather jackets shoving nerds aside and winning prom king, that shit's practically extinct.
It's definitely not as prevalent today, but I can definitely speak from experience and say when I was in HS from 04-08, it was absolutely like that.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:22:21 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The nineties were still wearing off at that time.
listen- ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:18:43 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Blowing my mind right here. No way that's true. (in my 30s, sat at the magic table in high school)
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:37:19 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Why don't you hang with people outside of your ethnicity?
ladyxdi ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:56:58 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I was a teen in the 90's and our school wasn't here for assholes and bullies. You were on the prom and homecoming courts because people liked you since you were a good person. I wore dumb jncos, stretched my ears and listened to RATM.
Higgy24 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:21:00 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah I'm 27, graduated high school in '07, and from my perspective, there wasn't a set group of "popular kids". I mean, there were the rich kids who were in all AP classes and threw parties, I guess they'd be "popular", and then there were the athletes, especially football, because that was big in our school, but there wasn't really any rivalry or school-wide bullying. I mean for example, I was on the cheerleading team but also in Earth club and the gay-straight alliance. I took a ton of AP classes and spent my free period in my physics teacher's classroom. I never felt forced to be in a certain clique. Of course every school is different, but it really is over-dramatized on TV.
Reminds me of me in high school: baseball/football player, marching/concert band member for 4 years, played hacky sack with the nerdy guys at lunch. It helped that I was nice to mostly everyone who was nice to me and I talked to them where as most wouldn't risk their "reputation" to hang out with those "nerds" or be in band with a good amount of unsociable people. My dad always said its better to be known by many different types of people than to be known as a popular jock because odds are those nerds in band or playing hacky sack might be your boss one day.
I'm in my 30's, and I don't remember any of my football teammates shoving nerds around at our school. That shit wouldn't have sat well with our coaches and teachers. The reputation of the team was pretty big in our community.
Yea we had cliques and tables you just didn't sit with because of commonality, but that's about it.
I'm a few years out of hs and grew up in a traditional white Texas football town where you might expect that stuff to happen, and I agree completely. Hell, half of the kids in the top 10% of my class started in some sport, and the popular kids went out of their way to be nice guys. I think traditional high school culture is pretty outdated, and physical bullying seems to only be done by the unpopular pissed off kids with no friends anyway.
You don't really get shit like FOOTBALL JOCKS running around with their highschool leather jackets shoving nerds aside and winning prom king, that shit's practically extinct.
In my experience it didn't really happen back then either, it's always been more of a trope of fiction than fact.
Funny story, I worked with a kid who graduated high school during the 90s in Texas. He was an awesome guy and great to work with and happened to be an absolutely flaming homosexual. I remember talking to him one time and asking him if it was tough for him in high school because of his flamboyance.
His answer surprised me. He said that he had no problems because if any of the burnouts or cowboys tried to give him shit he was always protected by the members of the football team. It turns out that he was one of the male members of the cheerleading squad and so the football players took it upon themselves to protect him as part of the team. I was pretty happy to hear that story.
You don't really get shit like FOOTBALL JOCKS running around with their highschool leather jackets shoving nerds aside and winning prom king, that shit's practically extinct.
Letter jackets. And I'm from Sweden, where high schools don't issue such apparel.
cucufag ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:48:28 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Same thing mannn, the letter jackets are made of leather.
At least, ours was. It was mostly worn by band kids though, since that got you a ton of patches to iron on.
Depending on where you grew up it was already like that in the late nineties in high school. The change in culture spread out from the pacific north west and California as silicon valley had been making rockstars out of nerds since the 80's.
I think what OP is talking about is more about individuals fresh out of high school who have been coasting on their social skills and wind up in a job where that doesn't carry them as far. They can't charm their way out of not knowing a process critical to their continued employment. They are forced to knuckle down and adapt.
In my work I see several fresh faced uni grads every year, many with masters, about to discover that their GPA and reference letters from their favourite professors count for dick. When you watch someone slam into a wall they didn't expect or prepare for it's enjoyable to remember that you've been there and mounted the wall already. Like you're watching a chick struggle out of his tiny shell, it's the hardest thing they've ever faced and to you it's a Monday.
Character building starts in school, but it's galvanized in the furnace of the private workforce.
He's got a point. We just hired a cheerleader whose 18. She volunteered to work weekends and she's very knowledgeable. And apparently going to medical school so she's very useful in our pharmacy
I think you'll find that this crap is still alive and well, just less pervasive. You're more likely to see it in wealthy communities where money and looks are very important and being having power over others is ingrained in families for generations.
You'll also find in in smaller rural communities where there are long established power structures. For example, the kid who's dad owns a large part
of town, etc.
Yup. We had cheerleaders who were also in band... so like at football games, they would go cheer, then run over at half time and grab their instrument and go out on the field and march for the half time show. And then there were band kids on homecoming court. And kids who did nothing extracurricular-wise on homecoming court... as well as the usual suspects from the dance team/cheerleaders/football players/baseball players/etc. Also pretty sure we didn't do prom king & queen... There were definitely the rich stuck up snobby cliques and the druggies and the goth type kids and the super nerdy ones, but there were far more kids that mixed and mingled in different groups in between those two extremes. I graduated in 2007.
MsCrane ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:09:23 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The stereotypes I see being discussed by people in their 30's and 40's, along with the tropes I see in written media, are far less prevalent in high school culture today. You don't really get shit like FOOTBALL JOCKS running around with their highschool leather jackets shoving nerds aside and winning prom king, that shit's practically extinct.
I'm 30 and honestly that shit was nonexistent when I was in high school. Everyone was basically pretty decent to each other regardless of social group. There were cliques but they didn't have some alpha/beta pecking order thing going on with other cliques. The people who got teased/bullied were the extremely awkward social outcasts who barely had any friends at all... Like so awkward even the awkward nerds thought they were weird.
ncopp ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:16:14 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ya it was more you get along if your personalities clicked, there was no real bullying I ever saw, it was more of if you're super weird (like the scene and emo kids) people just tended to keep their distance from them and not really talk to them, or else you risk super awkward or weird conversations that no one really wanted to deal with
I think the girls still have their cliques though. Guys? We've just given up giving a fuck. Life is too short to be an asshole. I remember a few of our friends used to kick the shit out of guys we heard were bullying quieter people.
cucufag ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:33:12 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
pls no bully the bully
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:32:53 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I graduated high school last year and the popular kids were usually really smart. They were in ASB, they played sports and had good GPA's. You're right, all that matters is how sociable you are. Being a jock meathead doesn't automatically make you popular anymore.
The2500 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:33:57 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
God damn. I grew up in the aforementioned generation and I partially attribute my current social anxiety to it. The better, rational part of me says to be glad that's not the case any longer, but my id is telling me that someone needs to die in order to correct this injustice.
This is really accurate, I kind of graduated during the transition/ beginning of the more modern era that you're describing. And it truly has become that popularity often manifests itself in the people who are confident, outgoing, and positive rather than just the jocks and cheerleaders etc.
For me it was kinda close to that. Graduated in '10 and I played on the varsity hockey team AND was a computer geek/nerd: star wars, lotr, etc.
I wasn't even that popular. Most of the popular kids 6 years ago at my school were the eventual fuckups with either dysfunctional parents or problems with looking like they gave a shit.... And I graduated in one of the richest counties in the US..
Graduated in 2014 and his could not be more true. I went into high school thinking there would be cliques exclusive groups but there wasn't. I played two of our biggest sports on HS and had plenty of friends but in no way could I describe it as popular. People were just friends with whomever it didn't matter really. Oh and btw my school was about 1250 students to give a little reference.
As a highschooler right now, this is tooootally accurate. The most popular kids in my school either play Smash, League, or random crap games on a Wii we smuggled in and found a teacher cool enough to let us use her projector.
Looking back on high school (junior in college now) the kids who played sports were easily more likely to be popular. Still possible without playing sports but much harder.
That's true nowadays. The "popular kids" from my high school were just a bunch of different kids that were fine in general. Some were annoying as shit and unlikable, but in general everyone liked everyone in my high school and bullying wasn't a real issue unless you tried to make it one.
I graduated from one of the cliquiest high schools in my area under 10 years ago and this was my experience as well. Honestly /u/LightsOutLou isn't too far off base with the 21 Jump Street reference. The popular kids were usually very involved, both socially and academically. It wasn't seen as "cool" to slack in school or bully other people.
Overall it was nothing like I was expecting, in a great way.
As a 20 year old it is definitely not out this is how people acted when I was still in school it never changes assholes always exist.
buddyw ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:22:41 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm 34 and this was the case when I was in highschool 96-00.
Edit: Just to clarify, my HS was not stereotypical, anyone could be cool, etc.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:29:57 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
In my school at least I guess there is "popularity", but no one including popular kids themselves really give a shit. People just hang with their own friends and don't go out of their way to bully and shove around some random kid because of how he looks or whatever. If the starting QB for Varsity football were to just throw a random kids at lockers for being a nerd the whole school would be pissed at him and he'd probably be taken off the team.
Sums up my highschool perfectly. A lot of the varsity athletes picked up magic because it passed the time on bus rides and lunch was more interesting .
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:32:20 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What you're not realizing is nowadays there really aren't "popular kids."
Sybre ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:36:54 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Long story short, a bud that I played football with in elementary school, I met again in highschool band orientation. Me and him became friends again and we had a bunch of similar interests like playing trombone, D&D, magic the gathering, gaming etc etc. We became even better friends over marching band camp which was before highschool. When the first day of highschool rolled around I met up with him and his huge group of popular kids. I wasn't aware that this kid was this cool, but I did realize that being popular just means you're an outgoing person that can just socialize well with others. Later that day I met the popular assholes also. Turns out being popular just means you're known in school, odds are you were popular as well, but just for different reasons.
There is a clear divide between 'normal' and, for instance, 'nerdy' groups though.
losian ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:49:30 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
To be fair I don't know that it's quite accurate to say all the friendless are completely that way because of purely their own fault. The clique nature of school plus any number of other issues could easily contribute plentifully as much as it just being their fault entirely.
You'd be amazed at how much the popular athletic highschool kid today gets along with the kid who plays magic the gathering in the cafeteria during lunch.
Hell, these people would be surprised to find out they're likely the same person.
I'm 32 and this is how my highschool was. I was in the strategy gaming club and I played magic the gathering with our football star receiver. Lots of similar stories like that.
Except the cheerleaders. They were a Mean Girls clique.
vouuxx ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:13:47 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The Prom King at my high school was a guy who loved his AP Government class more than anything and now plays in a band at a local coffee house while going to college to study philosophy.
The Prom Queen was his girlfriend, a huge fan of Harry Potter who was into doing graphic design and joined a Quidditch team when she went to college.
They were pretty nice. Sometimes I still even comment on their Facebook posts.
Can confirm, I was District O-Line MVP, hung out in the band hall to play the snare drums, played magic with the awkward kids, but at the same time 85% of the school liked me. It's all about who you connect with
kepners ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:41:01 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Certainly cool kids today are Instagram and vine fuckers.
This is so true. I watched Angus with my teenage brother-in-law and he kept commenting on how unrealistic the bullying was, but also asked if this is how high school used to be.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:19:35 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
the kid who plays magic the gathering in the cafeteria during lunch
as someone who isn't far removed from highschool just yet, I think you're overestimating this. From my experience MTG is still very "weird" and very "nerdy". No one with real school-wide popularity would be playing MTG, let's say.
(this could be different at other schools I guess, though)
Virkreo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:56:29 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Are you saying you can name all the original pokemon? Theres like 120, holy shit
cucufag ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:43:45 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
151, and I think I can actually go like 700 out of 721 on the current total pokemons but I played competitively for a few years so I know it a lot more than the average person.
There was a popular kid in my high school who was butt ugly and didn't play any sports. I have no idea why he was popular. Maybe for being a dickhead. Fuck you, Derek.
Most popular kid in my little sister's graduating class year before last was a gay male cheerleader. She dated his brother and I got to know him fairly well. As far as I can tell, he never dealt with bullying for his sexual orientation or choice of sport. Just universally loved and accepted by every clique.
At the school I work in the popular kids are the ones who are involved in ASB or whatever your school calls the kids who work to organize pep rallys and prom and shit like that. It's cool now to have "school spirit" something as a Gen Xer I find repulsive and could never imagine myself doing when I was in high school. Even when I first started teaching in 2001, the ASB kids were only high achievers who wanted to beef up their resumes. Now it's the thing to do.
I don't know, I graduated in 2011 and I was victim to some mild teasing to having outright awful rumors spread about me. I mean, I'm a pretty average person and I was awkward. The weird kid that like their teachers and does drama. By the end of senior year all of that was different.
In my 40`s. High school culture has not changed. Hollywood depictions just take the easy way out. Plus the older I get, the more I've noticed people "remembering " high school the way they see it in movies or on TV. Memory is a mallable thing. I was in the Latin club and played football. People are complex. Stories keep it simple.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 17:34:14 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This is very true. I just spent the weekend with my wife's younger brother. He's 18 and although he's super popular, really good at baseball and an all around good guy, his immaturity really showed once we got on the golf course.
My third period AP students are obsessed with a frog riding a unicycle named "dat boi". According to them "dat boi" is a "hella dank" meme. As a 40 year old I'm trying to understand this but it's difficult.
Nah, more like "I'm satisfied with my social life and would rather attempt to advance my education instead of making another batch of new friends." Your on the right track though, that's not a bad approach if you can get away with it.
How can you expect me to pick up garbage?!? I was freaking Prom Queen!
[deleted] ยท 243 points ยท Posted at 12:30:26 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And while you're out there you can toss out that attitude.
HotTyre ยท 267 points ยท Posted at 13:43:25 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
attitude
Sorry, non-native speaker here, is this a synonym for "salad"?
EDIT: while it's true I'm not a native speaker, I confess that I only did it to set up someone for a rimming punchline, but it wouldn't come even after a couple discussion levels. You guys amaze me sometimes.
Since that didn't really explain much, toss is synonym for throw. You toss a salad because you throw it in the air to mix the parts together. You can also toss out rubbish, or toss a ball, or have something hinge on the toss of a coin. You can be called a tosser, but that's slang for masturbation and for being a jerk.
[deleted] ยท 27 points ยท Posted at 14:09:30 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And here I am thinking he's trying to make a dirty joke about rimjobs.
HotTyre ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 14:15:21 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well, I'm truly not a native speaker but yeah I kinda tried setting it up for him but he would not fall for it
Takes a lot of patience and self-restraint, well played from him I guess
jbw976 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:39:37 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
that joke would have worked perfectly and everyone would have understood it right away if the original sentence had just "toss" instead of "toss out". that "out" changes everything. kudos for trying humor in your non native language though!
HotTyre ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:36:14 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, the "out" messed it up, but I like messy things. Sometimes you just have to try, and someone smarter can jump in and take it from there. Didn't happen this time, next one will be better
Coin flipping, coin tossing, or heads or tails is the practice of throwing a coin in the air to choose between two alternatives, sometimes to resolve a dispute between two parties. It is a form of sortition which inherently has only two possible and equally likely outcomes.
Finally, some non native speaker of English who doesn't sound like a narrator for a BBC Nature Documentary.
Edit: Fuck non native speaker being able to speak English so well they can set up punchlines.
HotTyre ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 14:21:59 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I recently watched the BBC "Planet Earth" series with my girlfriend, and our favourite game was pausing it as the subtitles appear and trying to make the best impersonation of the guy before listening to it.
I'm sure this little game is even funnier while smoking pot, but how would I know, I don't smoke pot
EDIT: while it's true I'm not a native speaker, I confess that I only did it to set up someone for a rimming punchline, but it wouldn't come even after a couple discussion levels. You guys amaze me sometimes.
That's because you were reaching. Hard. Just reaching around, trying to make something happen.
Well mate, I think the problem here is that you nailed the joke yourself. Some jokes are just better if you don't spell it out explicitly. More people are likely to miss the joke , but those who get it will appreciate it more.
HotTyre ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:34:06 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You are correct. Sometimes you just take the leap even if it's far, and the take-off is slippery
HotTyre ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:37:26 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, but you never know, this is Reddit, things often take an unsuspected twist
My mother was prom queen in '71, my cousin - prom queen in '82, and my sister would have been prom queen in '94 if it wasn't for that scam on the Conway Bed tour bus, okay? I am a goddamn legacy, all right?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:39:30 on June 1, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Pick up that can!
[deleted] ยท 250 points ยท Posted at 12:45:33 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Cats and Reddit. I'm divorced, no kids, I play cards, go to Barnes and Noble, pretty open. Don't really have any hobbies: I babysit for entertainment and extra $$$
-SagaQ- ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 14:18:11 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I was in a head on car accident and shattered both ankles and broke my forearm/elbow, concussion, etc. I'm on permanent disability . Before that I worked at a bank for 10years, loan processing Dept.
It was!!!! I put info into the computer and it did most of the work. It was kinda mindless at times, but I enjoyed it. I could act like a jackass and work at the same time.lol My boss would tell me to pipe down because I was distracting my co-workers. Good times!!
-SagaQ- ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:01:03 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Niiiiice. I'm envious. That sort of job sounds like something I'd enjoy.
-SagaQ- ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:15:55 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Me too!! :) we got a new girl at work that I've been training and she looked at how I manage everything and goes, "Do you have a bookkeeping or accounting background....?"
Best compliment ever.
I hate waiting until the end of the day to process all the numbers.. So why not create a system that ends up pooping all of them out at the end of the day? Yes. Yes Yes. Much like.
Does this mean you have a brain like mine?!?! I love it. lol
I love when people compliment me like that too. It's all about balancing at the end of the day.
-SagaQ- ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:07:10 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yes!! I <3 spreadsheets and balanced numbers so hard
It leaves me with about half of what I was making before the accident. There's a formula used that determines how much you put into social security since I first started working. It was a drunk driver that hit us head on, on the freeway. Lawyer said I could sue him and get $$$, but, he was 74 years old. I couldn't touch his income because of it being social security. He had no assets, lived in an apartment. Can't get blood from a turnip.
You're welcome. He had an open head injury and broken bones. He ended up going to jail for 9months. Unfortunately, because of blood loss, his alcohol level was .07, that's considered impaired, .08 is considered intoxicated here in Michigan. It was his first offense, so I'm glad he got jail time and not probation. I mean, I'm not "glad" but satisfied is a better word. I've gone to therapy and worked through a lot of the mental/emotional anger, being bitter and mad won't hurt him, but will hurt me in the long run. It's more occasionally I truly get upset about it. Talking about it helps. I do have some PTSD at times while driving at night. Some claustrophobia issues I didn't have before. I was the passenger, my ankles were trapped under the glove box. Had to wait for extraction. It was scary, praying the cars didn't catch fire, etc. But overall, I'm doing ok. Thanks for listening.
Well at least there was some repercussions to the offender. Did he have insurance? I assume if so they are on the hook for your medical etc? If not, does Michigan have the uninsured motorist fund to make a claim against?
Yes, I was glad he did too. 74 or not, he needed to have accountability for his actions.
Yes, Michigan is a No Fault state, my auto insurance covers me, then sues his auto company. I'm out of the loop on that stuff though. But my medical from the accident are covered for life, yes. I've had to get my right ankle fused in 2014, so I was not able to walk for 4 months after that, then more therapy. It was 11 months after accident until I got back home. It's been a roller coaster ride. But I'd rather be going through this than be a vegetable and/or not able to walk at all.
Sold! Ill skip this afternoon work. Shall we meet at oxbow?
[deleted] ยท 37 points ยท Posted at 14:11:56 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
yes?
I'm 37, and all my friends, all of similar age, are on Reddit. It seems like most everyone in a technical job, who sits in front of a computer for 8 hours a day, is on Reddit.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 14:39:40 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Honestly, with /r/programming,/r/python, /r/docker, etc ... it's a good way to stay up on trends. When I start seeing everyone talking about a new technology, I know it's worth checking out.
Sure, there's a lot of garbage here, and I've unsubbed from a lot of it, but there's actual value here too.
Gabost8 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:45:20 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well now everything makes sense, everyone here is at work.
Hello fellow engineer! As an engineer myself, (graduated top-o-the class in engineering school) I agree, most of us are too intellectual and solve problems too fast for the little ones that they look at us engineers like we're crazy mad scientist or something (think Rick from Rick and Morty.) They realize they can't be an engineer like us and they end up doing some other program like business or C.E. (as I like to call them future-baristas) lolol
Man I love this, I work on oil rigs and although it's been really slow lately, you still see new people all the time. We occasionally get those kids fresh out of high school that think their tough and want to earn hard cash, they usually last a week or maybe 3-4 days. There was one kid that came in and talked the biggest because he was a power lifter in high school, he said lifting was a piece of cake. The first day on location we had him throwing 2 1/2" pipe that came out of the well, they were like 80 something pipes, by the time we got done that kid's face looked priceless. And eventually he didn't show up the next day.
The funniest part of this is "eventually he didn't show up the next day." Don't know if it was intentional, but it makes it seem like it seemed like eternity for him, even though it was a single day.
kick6 ยท 80 points ยท Posted at 14:07:28 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I mean, eventually we all don't show up the next day. Either because we die or change jobs.
Pfft, speak for yourself. I have a 100% success rate at showing up for something every single next day of my life, across a sample size of a little over 10,000. If science and statistics have taught me anything, it is that that figure is large enough to control for any outliers and I am functionally immortal.
Hatweed ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:57:19 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Went to high school with some similar guys. Went out to Alberta in Canada because they were tough and wanted to make great money in the oil fields. They lasted a couple weeks and couldn't do it anymore.
[deleted] ยท 23 points ยท Posted at 14:38:41 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Former Roughneck here.
I was once a kid who dropped out of college, moved to New Orleans from the North, and started working as a Roustabout on an all African American crew on a barge rig in the bayous of Louisiana. I failed the "eye test" for sure.
I guarantee my crew thought I was going to be one of those 3-4 day guys, but I kept my ego in check, put out as hard as I could, never complained, gave shit back respectfully, and eventually earned the respect of the crew in which I still call my brothers to this day. I remember how many 3-4 day tough guys that got run off before their new boots were even worked in. They always claimed to be ex army guys, weight lifters, MMA fighters, and all banged every girl in town but the stories always had holes in them. The guys that stuck knew how to pay their dues and not step on toes until they showed they didn't have to get carried through a shift.
I've moved on to different things, but the day I was given my Blue Roughneck helmet is still the proudest accomplishment of my adult life.
Fuck yeah, once you're a roughneck you never want to go back to anything. Well at least for me, I started when I got out of high school at 18 years old, I was a scrony guy, and everybody made fun of me. But when they saw I was keeping up with everybody eventually they started treating me with respect. On an oil rig team, it's hard to get accepted at first because they never know how long you're gonna last and how's your style of work, but if you're willing to pull with some workers giving you shit the first 2 weeks you'll make it through.
perc10 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 14:04:05 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
How do they show up? Do they take another boat to the rig? I'm sorry for my ignorance, I'm genuinely interested.
What outfit are you working with and are y'all hiring? I do like my breaks.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:30:17 on June 1, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I would rather not name my company, but I have worked at 3 different places and it was common for them to have unofficial water breaks every hour or two.
Well yeah, hydrate breaks are damn near mandatory and forced, especially if you're in a hot environment but I don't think they really qualify as an actual break. When we were on location we'd alternate water breaks so someone was always turning iron or testing it.
I'm from South Texas, and trust me throwing pipe to the ground is the easiest job in there. People just don't last because sometimes we have to work 16-18 hour days so by the time were done they're dying.
I'm guessing you work on land rigs? I worked on an offshore rig right out of high school. I did it a year before I realized that I didn't want to do that the rest of my life, but damn I miss it out there sometimes. That feeling of coming back for two weeks with that cash was just amazing. Also it was nice to watch the sunset/sunrise in the gulf.
I had the one old asshole that used to accuse me of not pulling my weight when lifting the pipe slips. Turned out I was lifting those slips all by myself. To this day I hate that fucker with a passion and I met a guy who work eked with him after I did. He was smart and told the old asshole to pull his own weight and do his job or he would shove him off the v door . I tolerated that for about three months and then enrolled in college to become something else. I am an engineer now and I still cringe every time I think about Hilton drilling rig number 9
It may help you in the future to learn how to use commas.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:52:21 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I love that too. I was middle of the pack in high school. Kinda just a lazy stoner who got in trouble for boosting cars.
At 19 I got a job in the patch in Wyoming, to this day I love it.
And while I'm a big (not fat) guy, I love it when some scrawny fucker can keep up.
Yes and no; when the strings are on the racks getting prepped and ready for drilling they're easily maneuvered into place. When they're being hoisted onto the rig floor to be inserted into the bore they're hanging from the top drive above you and you're moving them into place.
While you don't have to support the full weight of the pipe itself you do have to swing it around with your whole body to maneuver it safely around the floor and not let it go, that's how accidents and deaths happen.
Don't know the weight but you're looking at a 2-1/2" by (probably) 40' section of drill pipe, they weigh a good bit. I've never been on a drilling rig but I worked in frac iron service, another segment of O&G, and was always around the piping when we had on-location calls. I'm pretty sure 2-1/2" is some of the smaller pipe that drillers use, it gets up to 8" or 10" casing that is seriously not a joke.
Either way, it's not the weight that kills (figuratively... sometimes) but the long hours of working outside in the elements; here in Texas is gets around 110ยฐ+ where the major oil fields are and it makes plenty of new hands quit on that alone.
Hell, watch them when they find out its going to be a 16hr day out on a frac pad with 24 frac pumps and 2 manifold trailers, probably 300 pieces of iron at a minimum and we have to service them.
In the 110ยฐ heat.
With FR coveralls, hard hats, gloves and now H2S monitors... they regret ever walking through our front door.
Out of curiosity, how would somebody who is NOT strong handle your job? Would they not even get hired, or would you guys just work them up to the heavier jobs?
Depending on who you're working for and how much your fellow rig hands like you, they could move you around to find something to better fit your physical capabilities. If tripping pipe isn't your strong suit then maybe general leasehand will better suit you.
If you're a little bitch that whines and is always making up excuses for why you can't or don't want to do something chances are that you won't be coming in the next morning/night. There aren't shortages of people waiting to get hired onto a rig and company men and supers know this; you are replaceable and will be replaced by someone that wants to work and make money.
Well, as proven in the post, you could be the fucking Mountain, and if you're a little bitch who whines, you won't cut it.
I think every IT guy like myself has looked at roughnecks once or twice and considered going into that kind of career, but long days and nights working hunched over a desk do not a great physical shape make.
1 1/2'' pipe is like the smalles size ==||| our warehouse has 18 5/8'' or 20'' and every single one is 110.25lbs
Used to work at a place 37 miles away. Some girls who worked with me kept driving same distance and showing up everyday but never saw her the next week.
As a 22 year old training the new summer hires at least the popular high school kids actually talk to customers.
eplusl ยท -9 points ยท Posted at 15:56:05 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah dude. I'm 29. I used to be the beta unpopular kid. Not anymore because I worked on myself a lot. And now, out of the two new interns at my job, I get along with the cute popular girl that got hired by the business development team. We chat over coffee, joke around, and I invited her along to our after work drinks with my other work friends. Our intern in Business Systems is this super smart and actually nice nerdy kid but he just doesn't talk to people and I just don't connect with him, whereas she's just cool to talk to.
eplusl ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:30:13 on June 1, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Why? All I meant is she's easier to talk to and get along with.
He's a nice kid but he doesn't carry a conversation at all.
boot20 ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 14:16:08 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I worked fast food for a while and we would get the 16-18 year old high school kids rolling in thinking they could just slide by on their looks or whatever.
You can't be dead weight if you are working fast food, you have to do shit. The second one of them was told to wipe tables or clean up the front, it's like you asked them to kill puppies. "Can't you do it for me?" or "Why do I need to do it!?"
Sybre ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 17:39:16 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
leif777 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:50:42 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Question: How is the word "cool" still cool to say? You'd think it would have been replaced by now like so many others have. Eg. neat-o, gnarly, hip, dandy, spim, dungreen, bingle, (I started making up words at some point but you get my spoolflip)
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:39:39 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
This just isn't true. Most kids who are the "cool" or "popular" ones in HS usually have pretty good social skills, hence why they're popular. They have an equal chance of succeeding in life over the so called "non popular" kids. It just doesn't matter. In fact, kids who suck as social skills may not have as much success working in the real world anyway. And cool and popular have nothing to do with intelligence or skill. What will get you far in life is hard work and being able to work with others, not how cool or uncool you were in school.
5k3k73k ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 14:54:59 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not initially. But as reality repeatedly curbstomps their expectations they will awaken to the reality of their situation as they drive a shitty car to a shitty job to pay the rent in their shitty apartment. Hopefully this realization occurs before they start meth (or something worse) to chemically compensate their egos. If not they will end up as 30something ex-addicts with no prospects and nothing to show for their lives except a hard lesson.
That's a very good point, but I'll take a number 3 with a large fry.
Edit: I'm just pointing out that, like the meme says, it doesn't matter how cool you think you are when you are at work. Regardless of your ego you are still expected to do your job.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:24:41 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
if the kids you thought were cool in highschool are now working at mcdonalds, then they weren't actually cool. in my experience the cool kids had rich parents, were pretty good socially, and were at least doing well enough where they'd get into college.
he doesnt need counseling. im 43 and i beat up middle school kids e'ryday. makes me feel strong. plus my dad used to beat me so it brings me closer to him.
Its gotta be a staged account right? Just a throwaway, every single comment mentions his Dad and jumper cables no matter the topic, i dont know if I'm out of the loop and it all is a joke or not.
I think it's more derision against their attitudes, expecting preferential treatment for non-achievements. Because high school kids fresh off 4 years of being the rulers of their high schools are more likely to have a bloated view of themselves and demand everyone bow down to them. Because that's how it's been for them for the past 4 years.
Vio_ ยท 108 points ยท Posted at 14:57:49 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"Don't you know who I am? I'm Zach Morrison."
"No, you're the 19 year old we hired to dust down the shelves and make a thousand copies of stuff we need mailed out. Hope you know how to lick 500 envelopes. We need this done by 2."
Vio_ ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 15:21:32 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"Well, we were going to give you help envelope stuffing so you wouldn't have to do all of it yourself, but I guess you really wanted to do all 1000. Oh, and the person who printed out everything alphabetized it and didn't print by zip code so now you have to rearrange everything by zip code and alphabetize each pile. Good news, though. We know this sucks, so we're giving you an extra hour to get everything done and delivered to the post office over on 8th Street."
'But it closes at 3, so that's all we can give you to get it done and over there. Also the schools get out at around 3, so the traffic is killer, and it might take you an extra 15 to 20 to get there."
Vio_ ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:30:46 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This is pretty much the plotline to Devi Wears Prada. Whiny 20 year old has to realize that she suddenly has a job.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:02:56 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I need to call my parents and thank them for forcing me to get summer jobs in HS/College. I see so many college grads with absolutely zero job experience think they can step right in and produce and fall flat on their faces. I am not even talking about relevant field experience, I mean like, having developed a fucking work ethic of any sort.
Not telling people about the envelope sealer thing is a simple joy in life.
Vio_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:25:12 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Super pro tip. You can do multiple envelopes at the same time with a fairly moist paper towel. Just fan the envelopes out four or five at a time and swipe.
My grandma used to have a little newsletter business. She would put Luke 20 in a row on the table, with just the dry adhesive part out, and do them all in one fell swoop. She was the picture of efficiency.
Vio_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:00:17 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, that's when you're cranking out letters constantly. 4-5 is a good start/ middle place to get going.
18 - 20 I'm gonna be a lawyer doctor who travels all the time and maybe run a business on the side.
20-30 ok. Maybe not, but I pretty much have everything figured out.
30-40. Oh shit. I know some stuff, but there are lots of things I don't know and I have learned I am wrong enough. And fuck... Some peers who I thought knew everything too are having a tough time.
40-50 dunno. Still in process. But my view of "success" is definitely changing.
No, a leader needs achievements or at least useful skills, unless rampant nepotism is at play. Having been head cheerleader or quarterback does not mean you'd automatically make a good supervisor at an upscale restaurant or whatnot.
Oh that's definitely a thing. I trained a lot of 18 year olds at UPS who were being forced to get a job by their parents. The snark was real with a lot of them. I told one kid that they had to turn their phone off or keep it in their pocket (emergency use only) during work hours. It's a safety issue among other things. Distracted people can get seriously injured in an active warehouse. Had to tell this new hire repeatedly to get off their phone. They tried to complain to HR that I was discriminating against them when they found out I chose to throw their new hire packet on the "nope" pile on my boss's desk. To be fair, they also tried to say that they were being discriminated against by everyone and their mother in that warehouse. Not even the shop steward wanted them around.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:07:26 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm older than OP, so times may have changed, but most of those kids had to take a bite of a big shit sandwich, served by life in general before they became normal and grounded.
I'm assuming he means the kids who think they're hot shit in a professional work environment for no good reason. We get a few of those every so often where I work and they're pretty annoying. It's all jokes and trying to be buddy buddy with you when they can't do the actual work to save their life.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 14:34:42 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's all jokes and trying to be buddy buddy with you when they can't do the actual work to save their life.
This hit close to home here. I make a ton of money working at my new company but I feel like I'm not providing enough. I sortof try to be buddy buddy to overshadow the fact that I feel like idk anything around here. Been here for over half a year. Honestly, when I get down to it I'm better than the "senior" person here but the way our command system chain is set up my manager doesn't have me do much on my team and she's too busy and away all the time. How can I become a better person on my team and help out more without stepping on toes "out of my scope"? I work in IT healthcare - pretty complex stuff honestly
From what you describe it doesn't sound like you're doing anything wrong. I'm talking about kids who want to stand in my office and try to gossip and rickroll people in Lync while their actual performance is deplorable. There's nothing wrong with fraternizing, but when they use that as their only means of maintaining the job I find it frustrating. Everyone starts off knowing nothing, I was the same way. You seem to be aware that you have room to grow, and if you have the thirst to actually learn you'll be fine.
The strategy I used to move into a supervisory role was to take responsibility for as much as possible and badger anyone I could for experience opportunities.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:29:55 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The strategy I used to move into a supervisory role was to take responsibility for as much as possible and badger anyone I could for experience opportunities.
Thanks for that! I guess it's a good feeling that I am trying to do more work to feel more relevant. I will admit, however, that it's very easy to just sit back and not do anything all week...or extend a simple task way past in terms of how long it should take.
I can't believe that happening in your office. What industry or field are you guys in? Serious question: Are those guys college grads? And if so, are they "fraternity" type of guys? I don't mean like the movie "neighbors" or anything ridiculous. I was part of a frat in college and "networking + socializing" was ingraved into our circlejerk culture and, of course, that we'll all be filthy rich in the future. We were all very hard working kids (school is compared to ivy league schools) and had amazing grades but not once did anyone actually talk about hard work and developing real skills. It was all about "how to shake hands firmly" and other CEO-level relevant tricks of the trade. News flash when we graduated: We weren't going to be CEOs in our 20s like we planned to. I spent a whole year unemployed before I got LUCKY to find a job.
That and the fact that they REALLY think they're qualified to be the VP of some major department and think something's really wrong with a company that won't just give them the chance to prove it.
Oh yeah. They think they'll be moving into the well-paying, highly competitive positions next week just because they're with the company. I have a guy who talks my ear off about how he'd do things differently. To shut that down I just point out that he should apply to that department if he thinks he's qualified.
Teekoo ยท 752 points ยท Posted at 13:44:23 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What makes you think that he has any scorn for them? He's just teaching them and they act like teenagers usually do. So you need to keep em in order.
The nature of this meme is to convey a sense of scornful triumph, as does the line in the movie. His scornful triumph over high school popularity is like... the entire message.
"With fingers flying and fedora slightly askew, the nerd dives for the jugular. It is only here, online and in the safety of his parent's basement that he feels truly in control." - David Attenborough
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:42:31 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You aren't suggesting people would use a meme incorrectly, are you?
juanzy ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 14:21:33 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Right? We reign in the ego of at least a few interns a year, and plenty of them have gone on to have a good internship.
labrys ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:06:32 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not so much of a problem with egos with newbies at my place, but a lot of them think they know everything about programming.
Yes, yes, it's good you can recite a c# text book cover to cover, and your lecturer might have told you that, but in the real world this is how we're going to do it because we need to make it work with code written before you were born.
Ah, yes, it's lovely that you can spend a week writing something ridiculously complicated spider code that will cope with every possible scenario, but how about spending half a day writing some clearly written, well commented code that will work with the scenario we actually have to solve, will be ready by the deadline, and as a bonus will be easy to modify in the future?
There's definitely a time and place for complicated code, but 90% of the time keeping it simple is the way to go if you want maintainable code. I think students should be made to chant that at the start of every lecture, as drumming the need to show off with complicated code out of new-starters takes far too much time every time we take on a new batch.
juanzy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:54:42 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I mean, that's ego. Albeit professional versus personal.
labrys ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:05:50 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, I guess it's he geek way of expressing an ego. It's weird to see the split in personality types between the different parts of my company - it makes you realise how true some stereotypes are. When we have a big intake, they do the inductions together, and when you go down to pick up your newbies, you can almost always tell which are the programmers, which are clinical, which are customer care etc before any introductions are made.
vjt960 ยท 344 points ยท Posted at 14:05:19 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
right? the fact that it's the top comment on this post goes to show how so many of the scumbag kids lurk this site.
majines ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 14:32:36 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If you upvote that man you're a scumbag kid!
You showed me.
[deleted] ยท 198 points ยท Posted at 14:14:10 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This subreddit is literally made for kids though. Like, who finds any of this funny at all, seriously? Only time I enter the comments is when I crave my daily dose of autism.
[deleted] ยท 42 points ยท Posted at 14:25:26 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Can confirm. Mostly happy and find this stuff funny.
ProBro ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:49:40 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You can be happy and have an eclectic sense of humour at the same time...
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:13:49 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Don't get me wrong, I'm capable of enjoying a lot of reddit. But this subreddit generally makes me unhappy. I don't start off that way. People that happily browse here can continue to do so. But I wouldn't say they are any happier people in general than I am. I also have no way of proving that.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:48:01 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:07:52 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Nah I came from /r/all, I'm not subbed here. I had no plans to comment but I was surprised there could be any adults here that didn't just stumble into a thread to watch the squabbling.
Andoo ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 14:14:47 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Don't worry, they'll fucking get old and die like the rest of us. It's the beauty of life.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:14:50 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
There is something oddly comforting about this.
skekze ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:53:22 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm just here for the autism and the dying teenagers. Like the sands of the hourglass, so are the days of our lives.
Alternatively, some upvotes are from adults who have worked with many teenagers and are boggling at the attitude in the post.
I actually liked working with teenagers, though. Their inexperience makes them a little easier to mold, and they're often eager to please you if you're fair and patient with them. Even the smartasses who need you to be a little firm, as well. And the ones who weren't cooperative at all usually didn't last all that long (yay retail turnover rates).
[deleted] ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 14:42:24 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If his comment didn't have any scorn for today's youth yours definitely did.
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 14:20:14 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
DeBurgo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:17:09 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
as a former child I know for a fact there are kids both upvoting the original comment this comment is discussion and upvoting the post I'm responding to, a number probably thinking "stupid kids, I'm not like them though."
He's making a meme about being 38 and basically bragging about how he's better than some high school cool kids. This belongs in /r/cringepics
[deleted] ยท 63 points ยท Posted at 13:51:11 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
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juanzy ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 14:10:23 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, every year we usually have to reign in at least one intern from our annual summer program, and they're all college juniors with previous job experience (presumably). It's easy to tell the ones that "worked" at daddy's firm versus the ones that got a job on their own, professional or not, and worked hard. Had a guy show up with a Trump lapel pin this year and try to flirt with some mid-20s full time employees.
I am not sure where you got belittling. I didn't mean actually tell them that their popularity doesn't matter anymore. It was a bit tongue-in-cheek. Also I don't believe OP has said that to them either.
EDIT: I mean yeah, don't make fun of the kids, but by all means, take no bullshit from them either.
anoxy ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:53:24 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Sorry, my comment wasn't directed at you. I was just building off of it to go on a tangent.
I was an assistant manager in charge of training for two years. I took a lot of kids fresh out of school and some of them just had cocky attitudes. I actually had do write one up because he kept flirting with the teenage customers (he was 18 himself). He would stand around for ten minute chunks, leaning against the slushie machines like lockers trying to woo girls to go to the theater or some shit. He was fired by the end of the week, he used a dust rag to clean the bathroom... then his shoes... the whole bathroom had to be disinfected. How do you graduate without knowing how to properly clean a bathroom!
I gave him the cleaning bucket with paper towels, window cleaner, bleach water, gloves, air freshener and a dust rag that we used to dust the fixtures and told him to go for it. He came back with a wet dust rag and I got suspicious. I didn't smell bleach and everything was wet with water. When I came out of the bathroom he was cleaning his shoes with the same rag.
I was in shock. What did he think I gave him all the other stuff for?
yeah you kinda seem like the asshole in this situation TBH. If you want something done a certain way, it's your job to communicate the proper way for it to be done.
Maybe if there was poop or something serious. Playing devil's advocate here but lots of people really haven't sanitized a toilet or used a mop. Assuming people just have an intuitive sense of how to do something because it seems basic to you doesn't make it so.
I just want to chime in and say that I had to clean sinks and toilets when I was a kid and my mom had me using rags. Not everyone does things the same way, which is why businesses train newcomers on the particular way they're supposed to do things.
In conclusion, that incident was totally your fault.
I wouldn't have been upset if he cleaned the bathroom with the rag, IF HE HAD ACTUALLY USED CLEANER. All he did was use plain water, he pretty much smeared toilet germs all over everything, then left it wet. Who wants to touch a wet sink handle or door?
Since this is the internet, most of the participants in this discussion feel at liberty to throw a whole lot of shade your way.
I'll just say "I'm sorry that you had that unfortunate experience with a pain-in-the-ass kid" and that "you have probably learned the importance of further training your staff, for the future."
One of the more well-known stories about Sun Tzu, taken from Sima Qian, illustrates Sun Tzu's temperament as follows: Before hiring Sun Tzu, the King of Wu tested Sun Tzu's skills by commanding him to train a harem of 180 concubines into soldiers. Sun Tzu divided them into two companies, appointing the two concubines most favored by the king as the company commanders. When Sun Tzu first ordered the concubines to face right, they giggled. In response, Sun Tzu said that the general, in this case himself, was responsible for ensuring that soldiers understood the commands given to them. Then, he reiterated the command, and again the concubines giggled. Sun Tzu then ordered the execution of the king's two favored concubines, to the king's protests. He explained that if the general's soldiers understood their commands but did not obey, it was the fault of the officers. Sun Tzu also said that, once a general was appointed, it was his duty to carry out his mission, even if the king protested. After both concubines were killed, new officers were chosen to replace them. Afterwards, both companies, now well aware of the costs of further frivolity, performed their maneuvers flawlessly.[11]
We don't learn how to clean things in school (MAYBE once in cooking class), parenting is worse than ever, this is probably his first job for shit pay so he doesn't care about learning on his own time. What do you expect?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:33:26 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Many people really don't know how to do basic things like laundry, or cleaning the dishes without a dishwasher, or mopping the floor.
[deleted] ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 17:08:50 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Wow you're getting shit on big time lol
FWIW I am with you here, I question the individual's ability to function on a day-to-day basis if they can't even figure out how to clean surfaces in a bathroom.
Hatweed ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:27:54 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Dude. The only reason I know how to clean a bathroom properly was because I started cleaning septic tanks, bathrooms, and sewers when I was 20. There's some nuance to cleaning you can't expect the greenhorns to understand.
You're the exact kind of manager I would do my best to never work for. Being in charge of training means you actually train people, not just shit all over them if they don't know what to do.
[deleted] ยท 65 points ยท Posted at 14:03:06 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Where do you think they teach that in high school?
You shouldn't learn it in high school. You should learn it at home and, if methods are different in the workplace, it should be trained within the first week of the job.
My wife and I are mindful that our children are going to have to be self sufficient eventually. We've taught them everything we can think of from cleaning, to cooking, to saving money, handling rent, etc. They hated every second of it, but they'll be better prepared to handle living on their own than I ever was.
if methods are different in the workplace, it should be trained within the first week of the job.
Exactly. A lot of the people in here are advocating that you just fire a kid for not knowing how to properly clean a bathroom or saying that the kid is obviously worthless and a lost cause at the young age of 18.
If you hire an 18 year old and they have to clean a bathroom and they do a shitty job then you show them how you expect the bathroom to be cleaned. It's a simple problem with a simple solution.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:09:20 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
For some places I've worked at the policy is stringent. In other places it consists of, "does that spray bottle have liquid? Go spray the mirror with it. Ignore the toilet, that fucker is gross. Sweep and mop then nope the fuck out before you puke. If you puke, leave, let morning crew handle it."
if you don't know you better ask somebody, also you're legit dumb if this is your hill to die on. "oh yeah well I have worked with industrial cleaners that are not sprays, you lying failure!" take it down to like a 2 ya nutcase.
Mopping the floors is at least a little different, since many stores use industrial strength cleaners that you have to be careful with using. Tabletops are going to largely be cleaned the same, though.
Ezzbrez ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:29:10 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
At home I'm probably going only use a spray cleaning solution if there's actually a mess or stain or something, otherwise just wipe it down with water/dust it. Maybe I would if it's been a while since I last cleaned, but I certainly wouldn't use spray every time if I was cleaning with the frequency that commercial areas are cleaned.
I was 18 about a year ago. If you can solve high-school level math, you can fucking clean smooth surfaces. Seriously, the bathroom has to be the easiest room in the house to do. They're not not smart enough to know how, they're just not applying their common sense.
I don't treat them like they're five year olds. I just understand that simply because they are considered an adult doesn't mean they have any real life experiences or have had any real responsibility that gives them perspectives.
You can pretend that just because somebody is 18 that they should know things or you can realize that in reality many times they don't. I like to think that at 18 I was well adjust and knew things, but looking back as a 35 year old I didn't know shit when I was 18. And when I'm 50 years old I'll probably realize I don't know shit now, too.
well exactly, so everyone is always learning. you don't treat a 35 year old with kid gloves because they don't know everything a 50 year old does. why treat an 18 year old with kid gloves because they don't know everything a 35 year old does? I'm not saying you have to be some authoritarian lunatic, but you can expect them to understand how to use a cleaning product or two.
probably really you ask them in their initial interview whether wiping down surfaces and mopping floors is a thing they know how to do. of course they will all say, yes, because EVERYONE knows how to do that. it is common sense. no 18 year old will admit in an interview that "fuck my parents wiped my ass for me this morning, of course I can't clean a fuckin bathroom lol." this whole conversation about whether or not teenagers should know how to clean things is like a joke really.
Just because you didn't know shit at 18 doesn't mean most people don't know shit at 18, in fact it's nearly the exact opposite. If you haven't grown up by 18, quite frankly, you probably never will or, at the very least, won't until you're in your 30s.
If you haven't grown up by 18, quite frankly, you probably never will or, at the very least, won't until you're in your 30s.
Yeah, Ok. Obviously if you did a shitty job cleaning a bathroom when you're 18 you're never going to succeed in life, right? Everybody should just be grown up by 18 or else they never will!
What I quoted from you is honestly one of the dumbest things I've ever seen somebody say on Reddit.
you haven't grown up by 18, quite frankly, you probably never will or, at the very least, won't until you're in your 30s.
This is the most false thing I have read today. The maturation that occurs between graduating high school and being, say, two years out is insane if you (a) go to college or (b) get a job and move out.
18 year olds don't know much. They just don't. And that's okay. I know people who knew so little they had to call mommy for instructions on how to use a microwave to reheat food. Not knowing how to clean a bathroom is definitely plausible. They just need to be taught.
Yeah, not being shitty at cleaning a bathroom makes you not able to function as a person. Here is a novel idea. If the kid doesn't clean the bathroom right the first time show him how to do it instead of just firing the kid and making it somebody else's problem. If the trend continues he'll just never learn anything. Problem solved.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:51:40 on June 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
A job means that people get hired to do a specific task. if that person is unable to do that specific task, one must calculate what is the rational and cost-effective thing to do: hire someone else who can or teach this person that specific task. In the case of bathroom cleaning, it depends on the number of bathrooms that person has to clean. If his only task is to clean bathrooms, that person would be fired and someone else must be hired instead. If cleaning bathrooms is just one task among many and that person is qualified to do the other tasks then that person should be trained.
Honestly, you can't generalize in any way. Sometimes you should fire that person, and sometimes you should train them.
Bryek ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:31:46 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Of course I have parents. I'm 35 and both of my parents are still living.
I had to help my mom clean the house while I was growing up. I had to help my dad by cutting the grass. But you know what? I still did some really dumb shit that you think would be common sense to someone. One time when I was about 16 or so I used a strainer to try to cook french fries in a deep fryer. One time when I was about 17 or 18 I didn't check the stationary tub before I did laundry. There was a rag that was covering the drain and it flooded the basement. My first job at McDonald's when I was 16? It was lent and it was Friday and everybody was ordering fish sandwiches. I was in charge of fish sandwiches and I forgot to put the fish on the sandwiches and sent a couple that came through the drive-thru home with bread with cheese and tarter sauce on it. I realized what I had done quickly but it was too late. A half hour later the couple called to complain and my manager came back and asked who was on fish sandwiches and I had to tell her it was me. I wasn't fired for it but it was pretty fucking dumb, wouldn't you say?
Today? Well, I know how to do laundry, and I know what happens when the stationary tub is clogged and the washer drains into it. I know how to cook french fries in a deep fryer and that you can't do it with a strainer. I know how to put fish between two pieces of bread, too. I graduated from college in four years and I work a professional job. I have a GF, and a puppy, and we live in a nice, brand new town home. I've been on my own for over a decade, doing just fine. I do my own taxes. I pay my bills, etc.
But I'll be goddamned if I wasn't an idiot when I was 18 years old, despite having parents who tried to teach me how to do things on my own.
People keep making this argument, but how has someone existed for 18 years without learning to clean? Cleaning a bathroom isn't all that different than cleaning anything else.
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 15:00:36 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They teach that at home where you do your chores. Cleaning is something every kid should do our learn to do when they are growing up. These are the things that they will need to know in order to maintain their selves and their homes when they move out. Not learning these things is almost a fundamental failure on the part of the parent. You can get by fine in life learning these things later, but it's always better to know these things early.
Not learning these things is almost a fundamental failure on the part of the parent.
Sure, but we should also understand that not all kids are taught this, that it's not their fault they weren't taught these things, and that you need to adjust accordingly. Plenty of parents are bad parents. Actually, there are a lot of helicopter parents who don't teach their kids these things anymore. Instead they do everything for them.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:12:12 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's what I said, you could get along without but it is better to learn these things earlier. I've been in working for 17 years and I know by now that there are definitely kids who never cleaned in their lives so I'm kinda used to seeing it. Doesn't make it any less depressing to see though.
There are people in this thread who think a kid like this is just a waste and should be discarded. If he doesn't know how to do it then you show him, and then he knows. Problem solved.
Everyone is fucked up by their parents. at a certain point people learn to take responsibility for themselves (or not). why fuck around with those who never do? when these kids become adults and pass on shitty work ethics and attitudes to their kids, is that when you will start blaming them? or will you start blaming their grandparents? like original sin is already a thing.
Since you've railed against using parental upbringing as an excuse, I'd like to hear your excuse for shitty reading comprehension. The rag was used on the shoes after the bathroom was cleaned.
Or, and here me out here, they THINK they know how to do something and they don't.
I understand why you didn't answer my question, though. It's because it was a leading question. The answer is that you just show the 18 year old kid how to do something like clean the work bathroom properly. That's it. It's a simple solution to a simple problem. It doesn't mean the kid is a lost cause. It just means he doesn't know how to clean a bathroom the right way.
Easy. Your mom still does everything for you. Or your maid.
juanzy ยท 81 points ยท Posted at 14:18:00 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Playing devil's advocate, cleaning a high traffic public bathroom isn't the same as cleaning your bathroom at home. It's like doing your own dishes versus being a dishwasher at a restaurant. There's some chemicals you're required to use on certain things you'd never have in a house, also some things are sanitized rather than washed, some are required to be soaked with a solution prior to washing or heat sterilizing. To go with that, properly disinfecting after someone has a bathroom accident- At home you'd have pine-sol and be set, while in a public bathroom there's a disinfecting process you have to follow.
It isn't about school. It is about a 18 year old doesn't know how to clean something up. It is not a complicated task to clean a bathroom. It is not like they are asking him to clean a chemical spill in the muskeg. Even if you have lived a pampered enough life to have never lift a finger to clean up after yourself, you should have seen enough people do it by now to know how.
Even if you have lived a pampered enough life to have never lift a finger to clean up after yourself, you should have seen enough people do it by now to know how.
I don't know, generally when I clean the bathroom I'm the sole occupant of said bathroom, with no one watching me. Same if someone else is cleaning it, when my wife cleans it's not like I'm standing there watching her clean. Come to think of it, when I clean I like people to be out of the way.
There are enough clips on shows where people are cleaning bathrooms, what about when you are a kid and your parents cleaned? Have you never walked into a bathroom with a janitor still doing their thing in it? Cleaning commercials on TV too!
you see the materials you use though. Doesn't take a bachelors or a tech diploma to know how to clean a bathroom (the next form of education post high school).
There are enough clips on shows where people are cleaning bathrooms
I don't think TV sitcoms are an accurate portrayal of how to do household cleaning, and I can't even remember the last time I've watched a show where bathroom cleaning was shown beyond showing a person enter a bathroom with supplies.
about when you are a kid and your parents cleaned?
Seems reasonable that as a kid you wouldn't spend time watching their parents clean the bathroom. You're a kid, you come across someone cleaning the bathroom, do you think it would be odd for the kid to decide to go somewhere else rather than stay and watch the cleaning process?
Cleaning is one of those things that you don't really think about until you actually have to do it, same as cooking. TV commercials and sitcoms aren't going to teach someone how cleaning is properly done, either someone has to sit you down and say "This is how you clean", or someone is given the task of cleaning for the first time and they have to figure it out themselves.
iamgr3m ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 14:39:28 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I just find it odd that his parents never used cleaning the bathroom as a punishment. Or a chore. He sounds pampered.
I agree it's odd that someone would never be made to at least help clean as a kid. But given a kid that was this pampered and never once had to clean, it makes sense that they would need some basic instruction for the first time.
iamgr3m ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:16:11 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I remember getting a bad grade or doing something else and was grounded. To get ungrounded I had a list of chores to do around the house. The bathroom was my moms favorite to use. We thought it was gross as kids and she didn't have to clean it!
Even someone with previous experience would at least need to know where all the different tools were, and the cleaning process for a public restroom is usually different from how you'd clean your own bathroom. A simple "Use this for the countertops, this for the toilets, and this for the floors" would be expected, it's not hard at all to provide that.
I think everyone is overthinking this. With no prior experience cleaning a bathroom, a person should be able to figure it out if given the right tools... It's not hard you just need a fraction of common sense lmao
I dunno.... We weren't rich but we had a cleaning lady come every two weeks and she did all that, and it's not like I sat around and watched her as a kid. I got a job at an ice cream place in high school, though, and they taught me how to clean a bathroom. But without that job, I might have graduated without knowing how to do it "properly". You're right that you can sort of guess based on other cleaning (spray stuff, wipe it off etc) but I had never used a toilet brush until that job.
I think he means, "How do you make it through 17-19 years of life never having been taught or learned to clean a bathroom properly?"
Because holy shit, if you are going more than 2 weeks or a month without cleaning your bathroom, its too long. But years of never having even cleaned a bathroom? Fuck off.
Cleaning a public bathroom is a different horse all together. at home you just grab some paper towel or clorox or something and wipe up the pee spots, then swirl some of that blue stuff around the inside and your done. in a public bathroom you have to know how to prepair the chemicals, wipe everything down, clean every inch every day and refill paper towel and toilet paper. if no one tells you how to prepair the chemicals, when its necessary to us bleach or even which rags are used for which tasks, your not going to know right off the bat.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:24:56 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
After 18 years of being alive you would think some common sense had developed. At least you've seen a bathroom be cleaned before, something.
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 14:11:25 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Cleaning is typically a household chore. If someone can go 18 years without knowing how to clean a bathroom you could probably infer that they don't really know much about cleaning and further still infer the quality of their work ethic.
How do you graduate without knowing how to properly clean a bathroom!
Well you were in charge of training him to know how. Did you provide him with adequate instruction, maybe some reference material, and follow up with him midway in the process to see if he had any questions?
Or did you say, go clean that bathroom, and then get back to staring at the cute girls by the slushie machine?
I doubt I know how to clean a restaurant or business bathroom up to code. You need to teach people before you expect them to know how to do something properly. I'm sure he was shitty though..
If you didn't even give a verbal explanation of the general guidelines of cleaning the bathroom, that's more your failing as the person responsible for training him. If he does it wrong, show him the right way. Don't just fire him. If you don't think he knows how, how will be ever learn if you don't tell him? You just sound like you went on an egotistical power trip to me.
I didn't make the final decision to fire him, my manager did. This wasn't his only incident either, as I mentioned he spent quite a bit of time fraternizing with customers. He also took hours to do simple tasks like sweeping and mopping, then his jobs were still incomplete or incorrect. I had to explain to him the mop had to be squeezed out so it was damp and not dripping, over and over again. I had to follow him around constantly correcting him or puddles would be left everywhere and the floor would take hours to dry. If you can't learn how to mop after a week, you're going to be fired.
Wasaur ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:17:13 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So there was more to the story, probably should've included this in the main post, as now it reads like you were in charge of training, yet didn't train the guy and then he was fired because of he wasn't trained to do something.
If you're at a place that has fucking slushie machines, you're just being a douchebag to that kid stuck in a dead end position who is actually having fun with it. Like, yes, make sure he's cleaning properly, but it sounds like you just hate him since he still has potential opportunities whereas you don't.
Bryvin ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:26:58 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Found the cool kid
[deleted] ยท 49 points ยท Posted at 14:06:45 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
I love what people seize onto when commenting. I had a post about buying lotto tickets when the Powerball was over half a billion dollars, and because I commented that I bought five tickets instead of just one some jackwagon declared that I was a degenerate gambler with addiction problems.
I remember the day after high school graduation, it really hit me that I wouldn't be seeing almost any of those people again, and how utterly useless popularity was.
rahul55 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:50:23 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Why does he need counseling for that? It's not like he's sitting in a dark room by himself feeling scorn, he has to deal with their shit when he trains them. High schoolers are basically coming out of opposite world when they enter the private workforce. They lived their entire lives in a place where hard work doesn't really have consequences beyond good grades and all you need for happiness is sexual appeal, lol.
People with very little power often wield it as if it is the most powerful thing in the world. A person who is comfortable with themselves doesn't need to settle twenty year old scores with imaginary mean people.
At this point he probably just thinks of them as snotty little brats. But to be honest when I see high school kids now they all look the same to me. No one looks like a nerd, no one looks like a jock, and no one looks popular or unpopular. They all look identical.
I can't tell if OP holds disdain for those with popularity, or if it he's talking about the hierarchical structure at work that some immature, "popular", highschooler might not understand.
I'm fifty and I resent people from high school. It makes me happy that they have gone on to become balding, overweight dads in baseball caps and cargo shorts who have been stripped of their former glory. Time is the great equalizer.
it's intern season at my office, i assumed what he's feeling is not scorn for the cool kids but disgust for the lack of any responsibility or ambition many of this generation have. a lot of them seem to think that because they were a big deal in their high school they are set for life and don't actually need to learn anything or work hard.
Eh. I'm 22 and I work with high school kids and it's crazy to see how they think their popularity affects their job status. If they're more popular, they get pissy if they are told to do something in the back (not interacting with customers) and they also boss EVERYONE around. It's annoying.
I graduated a year ago. Some of the kids I graduated with think that shit like that transfers to other things. In college I know kids who talk about shit they did in high school and it's just weird. Kids like that, that peak in high school, tend to think that they're indestructible and can do whatever they want. I'm just saying, the amount of disrespect I see my peers dish out is unreal.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:55:34 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
and that's why the jocks have won. Even if you do better than them you are still obsessed with their life. which means they still occupy real estate which means that they win.
this is how a lot of reddit seems to deal with their adolescence. they have to constantly remind themselves that highschool didnt matter, while constantly talking about highschool, and how it didnt matter!
30-40 years old, trust me man, none of them are bitter, theyre just so happy with how their life is now that they like to remind themselves and everyone else that highschool was stupid and means nothing in the big picture and doesnt play a large part in your social development and clearly self esteem over the years. they definitely dont dwell on it now!
oh yea and they definitely dont stalk old highschool classmates on facebook and get all happy when they see that one is working a shitty job or that the girl they crushed on if they were a guy, or idolized as a girl, ended up fat with 3 kids and a dead end job. highschool doesnt matter guys! i read it on reddit all the time! the more you talk about how much it didnt matter, the less it hurts you!
theres often threads about "what do you miss most about childhood/teens/highschool" in different forms. in every example, there are extremely high rated comments along the lines of "nothing. i can drink, have sex, do drugs and eat whatever i want for dinner now. adulthood is awesome!!!" i just picture them sobbing softly while typing it out. they cant let their guard down and entertain the idea that being a carefree child as a teen was awesome for a lot of people. block it out and pretend its not real. adulthood is awesome!! i can watch porn in my underwear on the big screen guys, and buy beer !!
kepners ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:39:18 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Am I the only one that thinks that maybe OP just finds the behavior amusing and isn't some bitter nerd who lays in bed at night fantasizing about getting back at his high school bullies? Maybe OP was a cool kid in school and had to overcome the same thing. Maybe now he relates these new employees.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:36:03 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Got a new guy where I work that has a real superiority complex. He's fresh to the field, first paying gig.
Look buddy, I don't care if you had your Internship in Toronto, you ain't in Taronna no mo'. Bring it down a peg.
Once had a high schooler try to use a fake id to get into the bar. After I called him out and didn't let him in he tried to convince me to let him in by telling me he played varsity football.
I used to manage a restaurant. I used to love being the first one to burst the bubble of a kid that clearly didn't have any chores or any responsibilities and show them what work felt like. Especially the day they came in after calling in "sick" the night before. "When do I get a break?" "After you put the order away." Their face when they see a stack of boxes of food. Then tell they have to rotate the boxes based on freshness. Then hopefully the timing works out so the bag & paper company deliver comes just as they finished.
Just as bad, I worked in retail for ten years. The company I worked for had two 15min paid breaks, and a 1hour unpaid lunch for an eight hour shift. Preventing an employee from taking those breaks, or coercing them to avoid taking their breaks (even in an at-will employment state), is a violation of OSHA regulations and will land the employer in hot water.
I see complaints from workers in restaurants like this all the time. YOU have rights as an employee, regardless of your employer. YOU are not disposable, and cannot be terminated for asserting YOUR rights. If you are aware that your employer is violating your, our your coworker's employee rights, or ANY labor law, it is YOUR responsibility to report them to OSHA.
Don't be afraid your assert your rights as an employee.
"The Occupational Safety and Health Administration does not require employers to give employees rest or lunch breaks, because breaks -- or lack thereof -- do not generally constitute a health or safety issue. Meals and breaks are typically considered to be a labor negotiation or collective bargaining agreement between employer and labor unions"
This applies to the offering of breaks. You are correct, an employer is not obligated to offer breaks. However an employer cannot OFFFER breaks, and then NOT ALLOW an employee to take them. Walmart lost a class action lawsuit in 2014 for not compensating employees for all hours worked and the rest breaks they were entitled to.
That was for violating state laws, not federal ones. States can offer stricter protections like in CA or less like they do in TX. Federal as they are now are guide frames.
I've worked in both restaurants and retail. They are different worlds. Also, I don't know where you get your information from, but you're only mandated an unpaid break if you work over 6 hours. Union employees usually get more breaks mandated by their union, but what he and all restaurants do is perfectly legal.
Don't be afraid your assert your rights as an employee.
The downside is, the employees who "assert their rights" quickly find that their hours get cut, and they're the first ones to get sent home early when it's not busy.
I've known people who worked in food service/retail and stood up for their rights when their employer violated OSHA standards. Next thing they know, their schedule is now two six hour shifts in a week. And half the time, they'll call you on one of those days, 30 mins before your shift starts, and tell you they don't need you that day.
They may not fire you, but they'll cut your hours to the point that you'll want to quit on your own.
Oh, I assure you. I get my breaks. I'll stand with all the people smoking cigarettes just as long as them. Just because I don't smoke doesn't mean I don't get a break.
chintzy ยท 35 points ยท Posted at 13:26:52 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
In my state employers are not required to provide breaks, just unpaid meal periods for shifts over six hours.
However, if any position within the business is offered paid breaks then all employees must be allowed breaks. Breaks are still subject to manager approval.
Welcome to the real world. Most states are also employment at will, which means employees can be fired without notice for any reason not protected by federal law (race, gender, etc.).
no break laws at all in my state. 8-12 hours no break completely normal.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:32:01 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Some business owners believe that it is imperative to give (or force, even) your employees regular breaks, because it maximizes productivity and morale. Depends on the type of work, I suppose.
Well I live I'm Canada and it has been my experience and the experience of a lot around me when I used to work warehouse or minimum wage jobs, despite the fact that the laws say otherwise. It's not because the laws regarding this are better that they are followed much more.
Looked up where? The laws? I know the laws and of course what you'd find is different and likely better. But who cares about the laws in this case? You assume all minimum wage employers give a shit. They don't and you end up often without a break. One of those case where looking up the theory won't tell you much about whats happening in the "real" world. Most minimum wage employees don't know their rights and employers know it. And even if they knew, two 15 min breaks + 30 min unpaid lunch (what the law prescribes for an 8 hours shift) is not worth fighting your employer for for most people.
When I worked at a grocery store I actually found the opposite to be true. Usually you're popular in High School for a reason that helps in a low paying job.
Actually yes, it does. Social skills are useful everywhere.
5k3k73k ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 14:42:05 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My wife is a supervisor in a call center. Most of her team are young adults that are not long out of highschool. It is amazing how entitled some of these people can be. A common trend is that they expect their employer to transport them to and from work.
Many of them want to advance but they can't even show up for work on time (or at all). When my wife informs them that attendance is one of the first metrics management will consider they are baffled. They simply can't comprehend why an employer would look at their past performance.
As a Colorado kid. Whenever I get new hires, the ones working solely for weed money are worse imo
xts2500 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:59:22 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
When I was in the Air Force there was a group of us sitting outside the chow hall one day (which were connected to the dorms) and a young, very obviously new one-striper walked past us wearing his letterman's jacket. I wonder how long it took him to realize that lettering in sports probably made him cool in high school, but wearing that jacket on a military base was like taking the express train to dorkville.
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 14:34:51 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I can't speak for other fields, but in IT, there is the on-paper hierarchy, and the real hierarchy. The on-paper hierarchy is owner, CEO, CIO, Division Manager, Group Manager, Team Lead, Rank and File, FNG. The true hierarchy however, starts with the person who can understand the issue and create the best solution. They are also likely the person who has been at the company or in the industry long enough to understand what they and others can and can't get away with... If people are coming to your for solutions, (and it's not because you're bad at getting relevant info out there) that's the popularity that matters.
Actually, yeah it does. Outgoing, energetic, and willing to learn are qualities that attract people in any industry. If they suck, that's one thing, but you just seem like a 4channer that got stuck training newbies at your job. So now you're making a meme to show off on the internet for fake popularity points. Funny how that works.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 18:49:13 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
As someone who's only ever worked in IT, I've found that people who are truly intelligent are also capable of wit, confidence, style and other socially weighted factors. Being capable in one tiny area of expertise isn't malleable intelligence. It's being knowledgeable as opposed to being smart.
If you can figure out system architecture you should be able to figure out how to exercise, look good and present yourself in a manner which people will be drawn to.
Uh, OP could have been popular in high school too ya know. I was popular in high school and learned a hard lesson that it doesn't mean shit in the real world. Now real world/business industry popularity is a different story.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:33:50 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah it's one of those life lessons. Less popular, snarky kids learn not to judge someone just because they're cool or preppy, because in the real world some of the most real motherfuckers might seem shallow at first.
Everyone gets these kinds of lessons I feel. Grade school is a very artificial place. Most of history kids weren't secluded together, they were blended in with adults.
[deleted] ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 13:58:57 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Way to let it go. Glad you've moved on
Saso7 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:24:04 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I gave up hiring summer help I spend more time baby sitting them then if I just did the work myself.
The only person I know who did Dale Carnegie classes was a total twat and nobody liked him. Then again, it could have been user error. Anybody else able to speak to its validity?
It depends on why the person is using Carnegie-type methods. Are they trying to make a sale? Trying to manipulate other people into doing their bidding? Trying to come out of a long introverted period and make friends?
reid0 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:57:00 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The basic premise is: be nice and listen to what people have to say; also demonstrate that you have value.
You'd think it'd be difficult to go wrong with that but it sounds like the kid you knew managed to, which is impressive in its own way.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:36:03 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He was probably a twat before taking those classes... maybe he's slightly less so now. I found the book to be outdated and common sense stuff. Can't speak to the classes.
Tystero ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 00:34:43 on June 1, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I reckon it's for people who don't find the book to be 'common sense'.
This is fucking hilarious that people are downvoting books. This is got to be one of my top-10 funniest threads this year.
Maybe if they get PewDiePie to comment on someone reading it, they'd watch it.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:59:43 on June 1, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Kids these days, mannnn
cucufag ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:07:22 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Worked for me.
I wouldn't say I was unsociable before, but I'm a lot better at it now. Of course experience is the best way to learn, but why not take some advice from our predecessors who want to hand down their experience too? That can come in all forms, including a book.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:21:57 on June 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well said. You should read this one, even though to probably already have haha
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 14:47:22 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Popular girl in high school got hired at my high school job and thought she could use her flirting skills to get people to do work for her. It was awesome watching her struggle to do actual work for months till she got semi good at her job.
I wish more people understood this. The word "nerd" has lost its meaning because of special snowflakes who want a label to make themselves seem "unique" and "quirky." Being a nerd has never been and never will be a good thing when it comes to socializing
The military is full of ex nerds on power trips at the higher ranks, I know and hate your type. Wish i could shove you in a locker and take your lunch money.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 14:34:05 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Why are you as a nerd even working in the same field as people who were popular? If you aren't a scientist, mathematician, or engineer as a nerd you fucked up.
Yeah, it's pretty sad that a 38 year old is still salty about high school. He's probably the type of boss that takes out his failings in life on his employees.
Has anyone ever actually run into someone who had the attitude "I was a big deal in high school so I pretty much arbitrarily expect everybody here to suck my dick." -?
boot20 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:13:05 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It was that way in fast food man. It was just stupid the amount of kids we'd get in that thought they could slide through life like they slid through high school.
I don't see it much anymore, now that I'm in the corporate world, but you find a minimum wage job and I'll bet you'll find those kids.
Draguss ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:01:51 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Everyone here talking about how pathetic op must be and I'm just sitting here giggling cause I actually imagined whatever that guy's name was saying this is the appropriate tone to a very confused Gandalf.
"Popular" may not be a thing anymore, but so what? There's an obnoxious arrogance that belongs specifically to certain teens. It's very obvious and simply doesn't play outside of high school or maybe college dorm environments. When they try, it's pathetic and funny. At work, it's mostly annoying. Luckily, in my experience, most kids coming out of high school are pretty great.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:04:50 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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O_UName ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:20:08 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe my school is different, but most people I know in high school who were popular are also successful now... I mean they are not millionaires, but most have good jobs and seem happy.
But I think that is the nature of our world, popular people tend to be better at social networking, which is IMO pretty important to find a decent job.
Basically, OP should have left "nerd" out, because its irrelevant. It's basically we're adults now, and these kids aren't yet aware that the real world doesn't give a shit how popular they were in high school. It means nothing. The only thing it amounts, once theyre done with high school is annoying us adults who personally clash with them because they don't understand why they arent the alpha dog with us.
OP has autism and is taking out his High School frustrations on interns who had nothing to do with it. You can see it all over the workplace, especially with fat, middle-aged female managers.
No, grown ups don't care about how many friends they have. Obviously they still want friends, but they do not care if it's 2 friends or 8. Besides, if you have more than 10 "friends" chances are a bunch of them aren't true friends. Just because you sometimes hang out doesn't mean that they'll be ready to help you out in times of need.
Then to your second point. First of all you take a post I made in December of 2013. Surprise surprise, a lot has happened in two and a half years. Second, sex has little to do with the amount of friends you have. You (usually) don't have sex with your friends, you do it with your SO, a ONS or "friend" with benefits (usually not a real friend, just a sex partner). Third, you're really showing your age and insecurities by trying to use someones sex life as an insult. Newsflash: there is no objective measure for what is a "pathetic" sex life. Some people want it every day, others can go a few months without and there is nothing wrong with that. You'll understand when you're older kid.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:30:19 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:00:11 on June 1, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not calling you a kid to be condescending. I'm calling you a kid because it's obvious you are a kid. I'm guessing around 16 from the way you talk. If you're older you have a lot of maturing left to do.
And yes, around 10 friends is about the limit for amount of true friends people can have. Any more and chances are a good portion of them are casual friendships formed out of convenience. If you're an adult with a full time job and possibly a spouse and a kid to look after you simply won't have the time to uphold many more friendships.
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 14:19:53 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Having a strong friendship network as an adult is hugely important. "It's not what you know, it's who you know." is a real thing that alot of people don't seem to be able to grasp the concept of.
[deleted] ยท -8 points ยท Posted at 13:47:20 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Guessing this attitude is what made you unpopular in school.
[deleted] ยท -30 points ยท Posted at 13:43:43 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hate to be the one to break the news to you, but if you're 38 years old, and still working in a role that involves interacting with high school age coworkers, you're the joke here.
So you're telling me companies don't have high school interns? My high school had an option for an internship as electives. This wasn't a major corporation but a smaller local company where I did tech support. There are definitely high school interns.
They're not (I wasn't) a paid intern, I just needed stuff to get on my resume and I got to leave school at lunch so it was a double bonus.
kick6 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:42:15 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'd struggle to call that an internship. But it probably fits the dictionary definition. I think a more apt description is a "summer job."
He could be a corporate trainer for a company that hires HS kids (unskilled labor). I mean, it's not the pinnacle of the career but you can make a decent living doing it.
Agree. I have worked in a call center (Back-office data guy to show where things ae working/not and metrics for the team-leads) - The trainers there always had a new class of just-out of HS kids. Many would wonder why they couldn't TALK on their phones during a training class when taking a call from a live customer.
One thought it was BS, said "Wendy's let me!" and left.
I trained finance people. Investment bank analyst new hires (just out of college kids) but also on the buy-side so people who worked directly for portfolio managers (sometimes I'd even train the managers themselves). The analysts were the worst, I'd take HS kids any day of the week.
I dunno. It's kind of sad that at 38 you would still dwell on that kind of thing. I mean they are probably just out of high school and don't quite get it yet, but you....you've been out for some time. Maybe it's time to get some therapy to deal with those long festering issues.
"I'm gonna be late".. just because.. doesn't give reason this happened multiple times a week. Comes in smiling.
I can't do that, no one taught me. could ___ do it instead? she knows how to do it.
I love when they are too stupid to figure out who actually holds power in the company and they suck up to the wrong person. My male coworker from a different department has no power in this department and his department requires advance degrees to work in. So no he's not hiring.
she lasted 2 months. I'm sure her ability to fix her make up 2-3 times a day will be valuable somewhere not here but somewhere.
N8CCRG ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:13:35 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This sounds like just someone who is bad at a job, and maybe they were popular. How are they trying to apply being popular to the workplace?
evenios ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 15:18:26 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
yeah i dont get the whole popularity bs kids thinking oooh i is popular in high school . so what? thats the problem also with facebook the "popularity" bs never ends. people who have a thousand friends and what. how many of them do they actually know or talk to? not many. people try to add me on facebook all the time i dont know and if i dont know them locally or whatever or if they dont usually talk to me i dont add them. just happend last night where an attractive woman added me on facebook knew a friend of mine but turns out shes like in another state and i never knew her....(and is married) no thanks lol.
In my country people with good grades are just those who take part in various activities, sports included and those antisocial are loosers that just play video games, have bad grades and no future so I don't know why it's different in USA that idiot is treated better.
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 19:42:00 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Just got to thinking, does this meme really work considering Gandalf did actually have the power? So whatever this meme is aimed towards actually has the power? I over think things....
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relax_its_sarcasm ยท 4284 points ยท Posted at 11:44:32 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'll bet they don't eat their lunch with you though.
Decyde ยท 1725 points ยท Posted at 13:39:30 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
For 8 years I was responsible for training and cross training and I wouldn't ever eat or sit with new people in the break room. Most of the time I wouldn't even go to the break room their first day.
They almost always would want to talk about work which could wait till we got back or would want to talk about other stuff that I didn't care about.
It's a break, it's not time to talk about work or stuff I don't care about. It's time to just relax until the 15 or 30 minutes are up and then go back to work.
evdiddy ยท 444 points ยท Posted at 14:07:00 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Haha yes! Its not even in a training setting. If I go to the break room at the corporate office I work at, all everyone wants to do is talk about work. motherfucker, this is my 30 minutes to think about what im doing after work, and to enjoy my pudding cup.
madogvelkor ยท 262 points ยท Posted at 14:22:03 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I work in HR, if I use the breakroom people stop by for "quick" HR questions....
RoboNinjaPirate ยท 318 points ยท Posted at 15:02:01 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
In IT - It's not uncommon to have someone approach me at the Urinal asking a technical question.
WTF...
madogvelkor ยท 186 points ยท Posted at 15:04:20 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They know you can't run from them. :)
NoifenF ยท 193 points ยท Posted at 15:16:35 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yes but we all know the technicians are easily startled. He could use spray attack.
Kebro_85 ยท 63 points ยท Posted at 15:27:56 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's super effective!
IanPPK ยท 72 points ยท Posted at 17:05:18 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Janice from Accounting fled!
Hatweed ยท 56 points ยท Posted at 17:32:33 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What the hell's Janice doing in the men's room? I thought she could only be found in the tall grass behind corporate.
theflyinglime ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 18:40:25 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well, you know Janice...
PM_ME_YOURE_FRECKLES ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 18:21:44 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe they identify as a male
the_big_cheef ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:04:19 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The office just instated a trans friendly bathroom policy and she really had to go
playbeasy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:30:03 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe it's Jan the Man from Pied Piper...
Will_Eccles ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:39:46 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This is the men's room behind corporate, she must have just gotten lost and seen her chance.
dogfish83 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:00:22 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well, she used to be Jon.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:37:17 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
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nspectre ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:58:48 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Janice identifies as an executive.
strongblack0 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:18:38 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
New laws bruh. Blame the piss were you please passage addendum.
Shroffinator ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:40:15 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
they meant Mance
Whales96 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:37:33 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Like a turtle.
irving47 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:54:43 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
But they'll be back. And in greater numbers.
ABEW19043 ยท 25 points ยท Posted at 16:29:29 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Bitch please. I will leave it whipped out and walk right the fuck away the second they start with 'Well, I haven't restarted it yet but....' Then when I'm called over later to help out because they still haven't fucking restarted it I'll proceed to piss on their desk to assert dominance. You treat the bathroom like my workspace, I'll treat your workspace like the bathroom.
TripleOGeg ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:33:22 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That last line has me cracking up. I don't miss IT one bit but I do miss talking shit about stupid people.
themoneybadger ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:24:47 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I literally just spit our coffee from laughing.
punkfunkymonkey ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:28:24 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He can turn to face them mid flow and start gesticulating with both hands whilst intensely discussing the problem.
madogvelkor ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:24:49 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If he can do that while still keeping the stream aimed at the urinal, he's in the wrong field.
nico_CoC ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:52:25 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And if you run, you leave a trail so.. You can run but you can't hide.
squishles ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:59:03 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
but I can piss on them :)
technokami ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:00:18 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You can however, turn and piss on them
EddieViscosity ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:24:00 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well, you can run and spray. And your workplace nickname would be Jet Ski.
eggoChicken ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:07:36 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Person: So I got this email.
IT: You should fill out a ticket or contact the Exchange team
Person: ...huh? Oh, no this for my personal account. I'm wondering should I open it?
ititsi ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:39:36 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"It seems a bit sketchy, but if it's true the payout could be huge! Should I go for it?"
sriracharade ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:21:12 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Turn around and pee on their shoes. Establish dominance.
BotImJustARobot ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:21:55 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Can confirm. I'm a network engineer and have been approached to troubleshoot random issues at very odd times, including the bathroom. Very awkward.
flamingpython ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:17:27 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Had them asking questions as I was mid-shit.
RoboNinjaPirate ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:56:22 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm a Parent also. That's kind of daily occurrence at home. :)
flamingpython ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:05:20 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My kids I'm ok with, my coworkers, not so much. :)
CantHardly ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:31:56 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"Did you open a ticket?"
BrownWallyBoot ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:37:40 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Showing Urinals their proper respect with a capital "U?" I like it.
THXII38 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:02:14 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's a proper urinal
BarefootVol ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:44:17 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's because of the easy segue:
"Speaking of dongles..."
dogfish83 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:59:41 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
you should interrupt them right away with "before you ask your question, just know that I'm not a doctor and you should probably just have it looked at"
0uttaTime ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:15:14 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Right, and it's always a "quick question".
chromesitar ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:25:12 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Just interrupt to ask if they've ever had blood in their urine.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:53:16 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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eggoChicken ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:01:20 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Literally being the dick the IT department needed.
TryRestartingIt ยท 37 points ยท Posted at 14:40:06 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well, while you are here, I have a couple of HR related questions for you....
[deleted] ยท 35 points ยท Posted at 15:38:10 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Fuck you Toby.
madogvelkor ยท 24 points ยท Posted at 15:39:11 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Michael's hatred of Toby was one of my favorite aspects of that show.
IndigoMontigo ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 17:27:29 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It was one of the worst aspects for me.
I almost stopped watching the entire show several times because of how unpleasant I found it.
stylzs05 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:00:18 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Found Toby!
IndigoMontigo ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:49:12 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If I had to work in that office, I probably would have been more like Toby than anyone else.
kristianstupid ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:56:12 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Why did you guys fuck up my pay again
madogvelkor ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 14:58:06 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ask Payroll. (Payroll will tell you to ask HR. In reality it's probably your manager who screwed something up, but they'll be damned if they'll admit it.)
kristianstupid ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:07:34 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hi I just started I need to get my login
roadblock25 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:34:27 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You couldn't be more on point with exactly what I had to deal with today.
rangi1218 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:01:51 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=YyvHqYu_KXI
eggoChicken ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:05:28 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Former IT worker...I feel you
madogvelkor ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:16:54 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Then they give you the dirty look when you tell them to call the help desk so a ticket is created. (Our HR office tried copying the IT department, but most of the work is done outside the ticket system)
HokieScott ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:11:12 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
This happens to anyone on any project if they see you. Once at the bar about 3 blocks away after work .(7pm). I am drinking my beer with a friend and they want to talk about the project..
Should say that the friend was not working where I was - The person asking was someone that saw me out..
Moarbrains ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:20:16 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Our HR person used to ambush people at lunch. Saved her a bunch of time trying to chase people around to fill out forms and such.
madogvelkor ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:23:48 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
How the turntables....
comment-ninja ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:24:19 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Minecraft is expensive, any other ideas?
bigheyzeus ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:31:25 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I sympathize. Especially because the majority of these questions they should be asking their manager or just paying more attention to announcements and such
madogvelkor ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:35:34 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And it's rarely something you can answer or do right there. You have to try and remember it when you get back to your desk. They'd be better off sending an email or leaving a VM.
bigheyzeus ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:20:36 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"HR, we worry about all the shit you should be worrying about but don't"
madogvelkor ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:02:42 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
We also gently explain that no, you can't break the law just because you'd like to.
bigheyzeus ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:50:23 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Work was so much easier as a manager in the 1800's
FrankenBong77 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:55:48 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah but you don't actually work you are in HR. You pretend to work.
madogvelkor ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:24:02 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Touche.
Hiruis ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:33:15 on June 1, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Is fucking, fuck off already not an appropriate term?
madogvelkor ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:30:27 on June 1, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
True --- what are they going to do, report me to myself? :)
grissomza ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:29:13 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This is why I haven't been more disciplined with meal prepping. If I leave to get food that's my time, or my time with one friend to talk about other shit.
If I bring food then shit comes up and I'm in the same shitty work environment.
evdiddy ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:30:31 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
youve got it grissomza. This is MY time.
AthleticsSharts ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:00:24 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Used to eat in my office. Big mistake. Then I tried the break room, same results. Now I go sit in my truck and don't tell anybody where I am. Motherfuckers will still call or text me while on lunch break. I literally had to tell one of them the other day "I'll handle it after lunch" and hang up on her.
grissomza ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:47:16 on June 1, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's ridiculous. People seem to think less of you just because you don't string yourself out as hard as they do.
gm4 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:55:45 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Seriously, the other day everyone got frustrated through no fault of my own and decided it was "team lunch" time. Everyone started leaving and I just continued to work, and a few people were like "WHAT ARE YOU DOING??", and I just said "I didn't feel like eating yet and I would rather keep working."
I got talked to later by my boss about missing a great "communication opportunity" with my team. Fuck that noise. If I don't want to eat with the people I sit with for 8 hours I don't want to. So tired of this "talky-feely" work environment tech is turning into.
THXII38 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:04:21 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hooli sucks
-Tom- ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:50:40 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What flavor? I prefer swirl myself. None of that nasty tapioca business though.
evdiddy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:05:17 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Chocolate.
-Tom- ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:44:46 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Respectable choice
Neren1138 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:35:49 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That must be one tasty pudding cup
RDCAIA ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:02:52 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The proof is in the pudding.
jamiemac2005 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:10:58 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That pudding cup sounds nice man.
supersonic-turtle ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:08:08 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
shoot thats how I feel about life outside of work... my friend all they talk about it work I sit back thinking "am I the only one who doesnt think about work at home or home while at work" that type of living just gets me all mixed up. There is nothing worse than dealing with a coworker crying about bills or the missus being a major pain and likewise when I'm home and they just want to bitch about the boss or how they deserve so much better etc etc... It's like I'm on crazy pills.
tandem_liqour ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:24:22 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Is 30 minutes all you get when working full hours? (I'm Swedish so not familiar with american labour laws)
THXII38 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:10:50 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What labor laws? Most US states have no requirement for brief breaks, let alone lunches. There are also very few federal guidelines. In the past, unions helped mandate those, but some dumbasses elected some Republicans to reduce the strength and viability of the unions. I have worked for companies (in both management and labor positions) in the past that didn't provide lunches or breaks. I ate too many meals in a cubicle farm before I said fuck it all and went to work in the automotive business. It was like a Dilbert nightmare.
tandem_liqour ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:04:26 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Damn, that's crazy. Here we have a pretty strong union movement and collective agreements (between the unions and employers) which dictate the rights of all workers. Usually, a rule of thumb for most workplaces is a 45 minute lunchbreak for a 6 hour day and 60 minutes for a 8 hour day (full time). We also have the "work environement administration" authorities whom are very clear on every workers right to breaks etc. Is it better in the automotive business by the way?
Edit: It should also be said that lunchbreaks in Sweden is usually not payed for. So if you have a 8 hour work day, it's usually 9 hours including 1 hour lunch which goes unpaid.
amancalledsun ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:30:41 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
There is this nice big old breakroom called outside
superfudge73 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:55:11 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's what your car is for. I love eating my lunch in the car and listening to NPR.
[deleted] ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 14:19:58 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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GreenBrain ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 14:21:56 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
TO ENJOY IT LAD, CAN'T YE READ!
Sorry, still enjoying that Master and Commander comment higher up
mikeofhyrule ยท 37 points ยท Posted at 14:14:42 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I was pretty similar... I would eat with them on the first day to show them the break room, introduce them to other people/people they would be working with... and then never go to the break room again. Helped them learn to meet people. Also I had 20 new people every 10 or so days, so I did not have time to be their lunch buddy.
Decyde ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:48:05 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yea, since our break room was where our meeting was, they knew where that was. I also showed them the restrooms and the other 3 break rooms and made sure they knew what time break was.
With how many people I had to train, it was pointless to let them get to know people. Many were working other shifts and 250 of them were from another building and that Summer sucked training all those people.
The only good that came out of it was I got Saturday OT pay for 10 hours while I trained 6 to 10 people.
Overall though, it wasn't really my job to be their friend. It was to make sure that they could work with 100% efficiency and if some problem came up, they would know how to handle it.
Too many people get a problem and just freeze up. Then they try and find the person who trained them to help them with it.
mikeofhyrule ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 14:54:46 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Exactly right about the friend thing. I wouldn't say those exact words, but my speech at the beginning of training was that I was like a customs agent, I make sure everything checks out, talk with you for a little bit, then let you go. I was not their boss, but I was not their babysitter either. It also helped as I said that once they were in their job I was already training 20 new people. Some would still say hi during the days, but eventually they all either found their niche or were fired.
I used to do the firing part too. I don't know how that fit in to the job, but I guess its because most of the firing was done during their 90 day trial period. I guess I was the most familiar face and let them down easy, when in reality I think its because my other bosses were all pussies about firing people, especially pretty girls. I had no issue with it. So eventually, someone in orientation that was assisting me would say something to the effect of 'After this week, you don't want to meet with u/MikofHyrule, because that probably means you don't work here anymore.' Which of course made them terrified of me, making my job easier. Like you said, not there to be their friend.
listen- ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 15:09:26 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hmm, I read that thinking how I'm the complete opposite. I am super nice and friendly to every new person I train. I haven't ever had anyone become buddy buddy with me after the first few days, but they all remain friendly. They branch out on their own, but know I'm always there to consult for advice. Maybe I like the power of feeling like a know it all. Maybe I like feeling like people like me. I don't know. Probably that.
mikeofhyrule ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:11:26 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ohh I was super nice to them. And I would acknowledge existence, and for the first few months could remember names...after 2 years and 700 employees for 6 different locations...I was unable to keep up...Also I left that job, the same training day in and day out I was burned out.
listen- ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 15:46:42 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Most people where I work don't bother learning anyone's name unless they've been there for months. Too many people go through. Plus we have temps who cycle through even more frequently. Generally we just refer to people by their descriptions, since nobody knows names. But not me, I learn as many names as I can. Probably the best example was this miserable older huge woman who always wore a giant purple shirt. Everyone called her Grimace behind her back (like the McDonald's character) and one day this new guy said "thanks miss Grimace!" to her face. He was foreign and didn't know. It was amazing.
So I'm the one you check with if you want to know if the tall bald guy is really named Billy Corgan or, "why does everyone call that scrawny kid Beast?"
Myfourcats1 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:49:32 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That sounds like my old company. Lots of fresh college grads. They formed cliques. I'm old so I just watched.
CharChar12 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:03:03 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Your part of the "old dudes" clique
Dagobert_The_Second ยท 832 points ยท Posted at 13:59:18 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm a manager and I always refer to this quote from Master and Commander:
"You don't make friends with the foremast jacks, lad. They'll despise you in the end, think you weak."
iddqd2 ยท 595 points ยท Posted at 14:37:42 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
love this quote, but it's best not to forget the rest of the quote:
EDIT:corrected the quote and spelling
poliuy ยท 60 points ยท Posted at 15:00:40 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So the prince then?
Koss424 ยท 23 points ยท Posted at 15:05:49 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
or Carnegie
Little_Duckling ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:54:34 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Better to be feared...
hypermog ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 15:52:11 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Guessing the phone changed the attempt at 'goes' to 'does'
CantHardly ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:34:36 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Now you tell me! I have been doing by the board all this time.
Robbo_here ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:18:47 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Welp, can't pull it off, guess I just grab this cannonball and leap to my death! "You've always been kind to me!" Bloop!
TimeZarg ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:27:35 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well, from his perspective he was saving the ship because he, along with everyone else on the ship, was convinced he was a 'Jonah'.
tc1991 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:45:09 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
in the books he was bludgeoned to death...
arlenroy ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:40:02 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
God damn that's beautiful
justablur ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:45:44 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Best not to forget what "strength" he found: heaving a cannonball and gripping it whilst plunging to the depths.
MuonManLaserJab ยท 79 points ยท Posted at 14:18:04 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And always prefer the lesser of two weavils.
blakespot ยท 30 points ยท Posted at 14:28:43 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He who would pun would pick a pocket.
ZombieSocrates ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 14:36:33 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I never looked into the historical accuracy of the film but I wonder whether people who made puns truly had that bad of a reputation back in the day. I find it funny that someone could be compared to a petty thief just for making a pun.
MuonManLaserJab ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:40:24 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Nowadays we just yell "DAD GET OUT."
altiuscitiusfortius ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 14:58:02 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Shakespeare plays were filled with puns, and they were beloved by the uneducated masses and royalty alike during his time.
ZombieSocrates ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:33:03 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I know that but the film takes place around the year 1800 so the use of puns might have acquired a certain reputation by then. That said I don't know how historically accurate the film was in depicting the use of language of the time period.
AadeeMoien ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:27:14 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Like any joke it's always about time and place. There's never really been a time when a certain style of joke was blanketly hated.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:52:38 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Dude it's just a way of saying "dude your puns are so bad, you're such a dick."
FalstaffsMind ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:05:16 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Another pun from the books that I don't think was in the movie. They call it the dog watch because it's cur-tailed.
FalstaffsMind ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:05:19 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Another pun from the books that I don't think was in the movie. They call it the dog watch because it's cur-tailed.
JohnCarpenterLives ยท 75 points ยท Posted at 14:00:37 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Manager said that to me. I'm dead now. THANKS!
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NiggyWiggyWoo ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 15:09:04 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
We did it reddit!
aegist1 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:29:33 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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cosinezero ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:21:34 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
... SHAKE YA FOUNDATIONS!
sammythejammy ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 14:39:26 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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sammythejammy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:42:21 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Funkytime :(
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sammythejammy ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 14:46:45 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yea I know.. I wanted to be special :'( My mistake
I'll leave it there as a warning to anyone else trying to deviate from the norm
imLanky ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:32:12 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Funkytown is canon. For the greater good or something like that
sammythejammy ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 15:36:49 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The Greater Good
imLanky ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:42:01 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's all about the greater good
Duke_of_Earl_Grey ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:47:39 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I prefer Funkytuna
IsThisNameValid ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:05:36 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I prefer the woman keep it clean
soulstonedomg ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:45:32 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Nah
HerodotusStark ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:22:20 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Looks like binary.... FunkyT172? Or FunkyTAC?
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hypnoderp ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 14:57:14 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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jonpaladin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:24:45 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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drbert ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:32:13 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
To pay respects
mildly_amusing_goat ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 14:16:10 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
RIP in peace
adamsmith93 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:57:57 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
stop it
TheOneKenoby ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 14:20:49 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Rest in pieces in peace :D
mike_tiethson ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 14:18:01 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well my job is the rocket man and I think it's gonna be a long long time.
8oD ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 15:55:40 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not the man they think I am at home.
Darkfatalis ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:22:39 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Oh no?
8oD ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 17:25:47 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
no no
I'M A ROCKET MAN!
Isgrimnur ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:15:26 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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Schrรถdinger's JohnCarpenter.
tacknosaddle ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:11:28 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I did that too but it was because I figure it's like Vietnam, new recruits are very likely to be taken out in the first thirty days so there's no point in getting to know them.
CurvyVolvo ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:52:07 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Such a good book/movie
cfcnotbummer ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:13:13 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Read all of the books in the series.
ololz ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:36:12 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"You don't make peace with friends" -A wise man
Vio_ ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:35:01 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Jack and a way to be friends with his crew even while maintaining his professional distance, even when he had to have the bosun crack the whip. It's much more in the books, but some of his crew were with him even when he didn't have a ship. There was a formality (and it didn't hurt that he saved a number of them from drowning-esp Stephen), but it was also a different time and culture where he had men aboard who had been pressed into service or other issues. He had to present himself almost as a monarch in some ways.
ashessnow ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:02:20 on June 1, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I was the manager of a department while still being about the same age as most of the new hires (mostly young to mid-twenties). Sometimes it sucked cause they were all cool people and sometimes they'd hang out together or party together. I also hired a few of my friends.
Quickly had to figure out that though we were all the same age, keeping that distance was necessary.
Toltec123 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:16:12 on June 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I highly recommend the books by Patrick O'Brian. They are excellent and have tons of great quotes.
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 14:31:22 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Wow. You sound like a fun guy to work for.
loukitch ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 14:39:27 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Quoting shit hot films in the middle of work, damn right he does!
Dagobert_The_Second ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 14:40:26 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I am indeed a fun guy to work for. You can have fun with your people and create a good working environment without 'making friends'.
Bro_Sam ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 15:01:24 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's why I like working for Home Depot while I'm in college. Everyone is friendly, but nobody wants to make friends.
ititsi ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:38:03 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Keep it nice and acquaintancey. That's how I like it.
TripleOGeg ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:31:32 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That sounds awesome, want to never grab a beer some time?
Dagobert_The_Second ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:24:58 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Sorry I have this thing I need to do.
fargin_bastiges ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:54:10 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Try working a few years in a job where hierarchy is actually important and you'll hopefully learn to understand that.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:56:31 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
8/10 for condescension. Well done.
fargin_bastiges ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:13:42 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I mean, I can't just outright call you a working class pleb.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:30:14 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
10/10 for doucheness getting better.
dra39437 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:20:15 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Is that a good movie? I still haven't seen it but have been meaning to
Dagobert_The_Second ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:59:36 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's amazing.
Zaorish9 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:26:58 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's very, very good.
ititsi ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:35:02 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's true for life in general. The amount of people who try to step on me because I go out of my way to be kind is staggering. It is very unfortunate that being overly kind is my coping mechanism for actually being a violent criminal psycho.
This has caused issues on occasion.
Dagobert_The_Second ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:13:50 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't think the advice here is not to be kind. I think the advice here is not to be too familiar. Very different things.
ititsi ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:47:48 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You saying I fucked up kindness? Well... I'm not surprised.
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Dagobert_The_Second ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:29:18 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You can treat people as human beings and equals without becoming friends.
HitlersHysterectomy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:00:03 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Which is great advice for an officer aboard an 18th century Royal Navy vessel. However here in the real world it's nice when when talentless middle managers aren't arrogant cocks.
Dagobert_The_Second ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:13:02 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Amazing leap of assumption there Batman.
HitlersHysterectomy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:16:45 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, the people you manage think you're a twat. I guarantee it.
Dagobert_The_Second ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:27:45 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So edgy.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:09:18 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Gotta love the lord and serf relationship.
DarkOmen597 ยท 104 points ยท Posted at 14:55:10 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I got promoted to Corporal (First NCO Rank) then got sent to Japan as an individual augment.
We were in the receiving barracks and I was one of the few NCO's as most of them were E-3 and below. Corporal is E-4, only 1 rank above, but still, you are an NCO.
Anyway, some of the e-3's and e-2's were getting friendly, not a big deal as I am not one to let rank get to me.
However, come lunch time, I went to the NCO dining area.
The look on their faces was that of pure abandonment.
Good thing too because soon after one of the Sergeants had me assigning working parties and it was much easier to do so without favoring anyone.
Anyway, no real point to this story. JUst your story reminded me of this. Im drinking coffee and still trying to wake up.
have a nice day!
gafgalron ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 17:31:27 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
CPL is the worst rank in the Army.
Doesnt_speak_russian ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 17:37:24 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Haha. Why do you say that?
gafgalron ยท 22 points ยท Posted at 18:00:40 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
we need more guys for a shitty job, send the CPL. we need an NCO for weekend duty, send the CPL. as a CPL you are still at E4 pay grade. so you get to tell guys that get payed the same as you, and have similar time in service, what to do. this can be tough, if like me, you get promoted and stay in the same unit, because they are your friends. CPL is like limbo, not yet a SGT no longer a joe. When I was in Iraq as a CPL I was in charge of the POL support for a small base on the Syrian border. they told me it was a 3 day thing then I could go back on tanks. 3 months later, my first line was a Sargent Major and I had to be able to tell PLT SGT's what to do in MY motor pool. I was expected to learn a new MOS and took over the job of an E6, E5 and 4 joes with me as CPL and 1 joe. I later found out that I got picked to stay in that job because no other NCO would take it, and I had not fucked up. I had to reenlist to get back on tanks. CPL is the whipping boy of the NCO world, thankfully my commander expected me to "not take any shit, I expect at least one complaint a week about you being an asshole."
chuckaholic ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 22:28:39 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This explains so much about my experience in the Army...
Argh_ImaPirate ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:28:25 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Specialist is pretty rad though. But if anyone asks for me, let them know I had an appointment.
tanstaafl90 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:02:37 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Try being a specialist.
deecaf ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:00:00 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hope you had a great one too!
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:40:30 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I would spend my breaks taking a nap on top of the concrete fence in the parking lot.
I got a lot of weird looks for my not-smoking breaks.
ChipAyten ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:17:30 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
15? Damn. I use every second of my hour lunch break. The company doesn't give me shit so why should I give free labor
Decyde ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:19:50 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yea, we got 2 15 minute breaks and a unpaid 30 minute lunch.
My favorite job was right out of high school working at Hobart. It was a straight 8 hours from 10 pm to 6 am. We got 2 20 minute breaks and were allowed to bring in radios for our work area.
While the job sucked, the time went by really fast.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:10:06 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The company 'doesn't give you shit' except an hour long fucking lunch, twice as long as everywhere else
ChipAyten ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:22:17 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah so I can only get paid 7 vs. 7.5 hours during a slow part of the day anyway
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:17:00 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You'll find something to complain about anything huh
BloodyFreeze ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:47:11 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I will do this IF the new employee was someone I got hired. I have a lot of friends, however, there are VERY VERY few i would ever want to work with, let alone recommend and put my stamp of approval on to other management. If I'm willing to do both, I'm willing to sit with you at lunch and fill you in on any questions because i know i'm not wasting my time. Plus it's good for morale.
Decyde ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:09:36 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I always have to learn every aspect of a job no matter where I work.
People do things all the time that they are trained to do but the people training them didn't do the job right.
I made sure my training focused on getting things done right and not what was the laziest for them to do like other coworkers did.
I made sure all problems they would face was written down by them and photo copied so they would have it in the event one would come up.
The lead who was suppose to train people would just say do this and if you need help, come find me. Too many people would get lost in his piss poor rush to get them going by themselves that they spent more time looking for him than working.
BloodyFreeze ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:35:19 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I agree with correct training on the job. I was more referring to the leisure time side of things. I will chat with them at lunch here and there because i believe it's good for morale and honestly, your employees are far more likely to work hard for you if you show you care enough to listen to their wants, needs, goals, etc. As someones manager, (officially or not) it's my job to make sure i can provide them with the information they need and help give them the resources they need to hit their goals. If i'm not able to for a specific goal, it's on me to let them know that i can't provide it.
listen- ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:03:23 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Wow I'm the opposite. Just last week I invited a new guy to sit next to me at the elite table in the break room (he was sitting with a douche but didn't know of course).
The next day he sat in a different break room.
Decyde ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:29:13 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yea, people should be more focused with the job rather than high school politics.
I've had days where I spent extra time training people and wanted to relax by actually doing my job with on one to bother me. Since everyone was at break, you get a quiet 18-20 minutes of working in.
YouFeedTheFish ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:14:05 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
How long does it usually take to beat the enthusiasm and motivation out of them?
Decyde ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:27:18 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I just always point out to people that you're here to work.
I also made it damn clear from the start that the job isn't terrible at all but I will make sure they know the job when I was done with them.
If they wanted to joke around or make friends with people, it will be after they know the job.
For the most part though, people I trained that were on different shifts or cross training I didn't really want to even get to know. I never saw them again so would rather just keep it focused on business.
Sassy_Assassin ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:30:21 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Agreed. I work in a distribution center and we recently had a new computer system implemented. I'm one of the unlucky ones who had to learn just about everything about it. It's already very frustrating to have to learn a new process but its even more frustrating having people think I want to talk about it on my breaks. One of the ladies I work with barely has to use the new system, but has non stopped complained every time I see her about having to use a username and password.
cheekske ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:49:18 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I was upvote #1000 for you
Decyde ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:21:47 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You win!
XxRIFExX ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:13:01 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I totally agree. As a teacher, our time is spread pretty thin on a normal basis. As much as I want to help my students, I always deny them if they want to make up an assignment or test during lunch. I do this because as you've said, it's a time to recharge for the rest of your day. If I didn't take that time to relax, chances are I'd perform poorly at something else throughout the day. But then again, we do have our summers to do that too. ๐
cuckface ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:22:02 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Some of my best friends are coworkers. I never talk to them on my break. I just do it on the clock!
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:27:05 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
There's this new older guy at work that doesn't understand that a grunt means "Leave me ALONE!!!" Yesterday he spend 15 minutes talking at me. Not to me, at me. I think the most I said was "yep."
DustinGoesWild ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:31:14 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Likewise. I teach and am fairly social but my 25 minutes for lunch is best spent in my office with the door closed. If I go to the lunchroom I get questions from teachers and students throughout my lunch or everyone around me just talks about their students or class problems. I'd rather just listen to spotify in solidarity.
antsugi ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:24:46 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Reading this while sitting next to a coworker just enjoying the silence
Feels good, especially when the feeling is mutual
stevetehpirate ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:25:19 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I worked frontdesk at a hotel with one especially incompetent individual. After being dragged off lunch every day for two weeks straight, I started bringing in noise-cancelling headphones. These would go on when I clocked out and would not come off for any reason south of a 911 call.
Shloppins ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:26:26 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yup. I'll sit in the break room with headphones on. Fuck dealing with people. Leave me alone!
Decyde ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:03:01 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's not as much as that as it's my time to relax.
Sometimes I'll continue to work with no one around since everyone is at break.
Normally I'm in a zone to which time is going fast mentally and I don't want to stop for 15 minutes and mess that up.
But either way, it's my time to choose what I do with and 100% of the time, it's never going to be talking about work.
ChinaMan28 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:46:24 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The difference between you and them is that they aren't entirely jaded and are excited. But you have the experence to know work is a bitch and everyone is a pain in the ass. And your break time is your break time. They don't understand that yet.
Decyde ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:26:15 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Most of the time they feel the need to talk about something if they aren't talking about work related things. People's go to thing to talk about is their family which is something I don't really like.
When it comes to work, we were just talking about work for the past 3 hours. I understand you need more training but in 15 more minutes, we will have more training if you didn't fully grasp the past 3 hours!
antonrough ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:04:45 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
15?! We legally only get 10 where i work
Decyde ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:36:07 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yea, places like that are pieces of shit.
I worked at one out of high school and ended up leaving after 10 months.
The pieces of shit actually put our time clocks at our work area and required us to wear clean suits. In order to clock in, you had to spend 3 minutes getting past security, put your stuff in your locker and then go put on your clean suit. Then you had to walk another 3-5 minutes to your work area to clock in.
So for 15 minutes everyday, you were not getting paid and had to work.
10 years later, another company working in the same industry moved in and it forced them to have competitive wages after they poached 45% of their workforce.
My uncle works there today and his easy job that he enjoys pays $23 an hour with better benefits. When I worked there they were paying $8.25.
gahleon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:10:06 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
People who are new are generally excited about their job. If they are talking about work during their break this can be a positive. Keep the positivity alive and don't let them become jaded early on. I love what I do and I will still talk about 'work' during my breaks/lunches. Work/Life balance is what you make of it and when you love what you do it makes it that much easier to balance.
Decyde ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:30:13 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Just like studying for a test, you don't just cram everything in a couple of hours. Taking a break helps people relax and go back to it fresh.
If they had any questions regarding anything, I'd prefer them to write it down or just ask right after break was over. I'd rather work on company time and not mine.
Pacattack57 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:04:34 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I work at a place where everyone has different break times. Sometimes I require IMMEDIATE assistance from mechanics and sometimes they ignore me and say they're on break, even refusing to point me to someone who can help. If you were in my position how would you ask for help?
Decyde ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:15:21 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If it was me, I'd talk to your boss and tell them what's going on. Let them know that problems come up and they aren't being helpful.
Where I worked at while training, I had a PA system that I could call for assistance.
If none of that works, document when you're standing around doing nothing because a mechanic fails to help you. Make sure you log the time, the person and the problem and how long it took to remedy the situation.
While it's not always the best to put the blame on other people, when it's a problem such as this... put the blame on the mechanics.
Obnoxiousdonkey ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:54:31 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My first day at work I was leaving and some co-workers called me over and asked why I was ditching them and "made" me sit with them and hang out. 2 hours later I realized that one of them was the manager, and these other people I met on the first day. We talked about random things even getting personal. It was great that i didn't know who they were until later. Its like we were all old friends
tophernator ยท -9 points ยท Posted at 14:11:35 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I thought you were going to say you avoided eating with them so that they would chat to other staff members and get to know people instead of clinging to their trainer. That would have been sensible.
But avoiding them on their first day because you want to protect your 30 minutes and avoid talking about things that don't interest you? Don't you think that makes you seem like kind of a gigantic dick?
Decyde ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:30:16 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I am an asshole but I don't want to spend my 30 minute unpaid lunch talking to people about work.
You obviously never been in the situation at all and don't know how annoying it was. When it got to the 50th person talking about work for 15 minutes while I was trying to sit there relax from just talking to them for 3 solid hours about work, I needed a break.
Never once did anyone talk about things that interest me and most people would talk about their families over themselves or their hobbies.
In my 8 years, I trained over 700 people, 250 of them being from a new building opening up and they had to get the people trained prior to opening. That made me hate everything since I was still required to get my job on top of training 3 people a day.
tophernator ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 15:38:55 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ok, I can understand why it would get a bit tiresome if you were training people day in day out for years. But then it just sounds like you are/were really poorly suited to the job, and you kept doing it for 8 years.
You complain about people talking about work. You complain about people talking about their families. You complain about people talking about things that generally aren't interesting to you. My conclusion from that would be that you're a bit socially disfunctional. That's fine, I am too. But that's why I wouldn't ever take up a job where I had to interact with new people all day everyday.
In short: It's not that your job sucked, it's just that you sucked at the job.
Decyde ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:50:37 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No, and you're 100% wrong.
I just want to make fully aware that you are 100% wrong by repeating that you are wrong, completely wrong.
I'm not at a job to be your friend first and foremost. I'm there to train you so you can do your job well and be able to handle yourself in the event a problem comes up.
I'm not there to hold your hand. I'm not there to be your best friend in the break room. I'm there so you can do your job and know it inside and out.
My break time is just that.... MY BREAK.
My break time is not a time for you to talk about work or some random thing about your family.
You might think it's "social dysfunctional" but you go to work to work. When you're talking to someone for 3 hours about work, why would you want to spend the 15 minutes you get to relax to talk about work?
I just want to also close to make sure you fully understand that you're 100% wrong.
tophernator ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 15:57:30 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I can't be 100% wrong because I'm expressing an opinion. This is not some black and white factual issue. It's subjective.
But I can understand you feeling that way. People on the spectrum often have difficulty understanding the complexities of normal human interaction.
Decyde ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:20:16 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No, you're not really expressing an opinion. You're saying something like water isn't wet which isn't an opinion at all.
I honestly don't know how old you are but I'm going to assume you're in your upper teens and/or haven't ever worked a job before.
People aren't there to interact like it's a live action version of Facebook.
It's a job.
People are there to work.
tophernator ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 16:41:05 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm in my mid 30s and I've been working at various jobs for many years. I, and most of my colleagues, tend to eat lunch together most of the time. I might occasionally want to go off on my own and get some headspace, but if a new person had joined my team I would have to be in a seriously bad place (or they would have to be an insufferable shit) for me to ditch them at lunchtime on their first day.
Yes I go to work to do a job. But part of that job is working together with others. If you view everyone around you as being burdens that you can't wait to get away from then there is either a problem with the job you have, or with you. I'm inclined to think it's the latter. You seem way to certain that this professional arsehole persona you have created is somehow normal, and you seem incapable of entertaining alternative views.
I don't know how old you may be, but lots of older people grew up in a time when personality disorders weren't routinely diagnosed. I've know a few older people who would - for example - eat lunch in their car because they just don't know how to make small talk.
[deleted] ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 14:14:00 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Sure, he's a gigantic dick. Who gets his 30 minutes to himself. Which do you think matters more to him?
GreenBrain ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:22:40 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Its like the other guy has never sold his soul for a shitty job training meat before
Saiboogu ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:54:59 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Consider it this way - His job is trainer (at least today it is). New class goes to lunch as a group, they want to cling to the trainer often... So now he's still working through his lunch, answering questions and engaging with the new hires. He's still a trainer even through his lunch, not getting to leave his work behind for a period.
While there's some value in that, it's hard to fault him for saying "Nah, this is my break - I'm not hanging with my trainees and having to keep thinking about work stuff."
JDeere13 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 14:35:58 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Clearly you are the guy no one ate lunch with. They can't, not eat with you if you don't go to the lunch room. You win. Great strategy.
Decyde ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:01:05 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
We had 4 break rooms and I mostly kept my lunch at the one I worked near after I got tired of it. It saved me a 3 minute walk to the break room and I got to sit with a couple other people who just wanted to relax near where they worked.
I made sure the day of when I trained that they knew and understood where the restrooms were and the other break rooms. I had someone actually make a complaint against me that I didn't show them where they were in relevance to where they were working.
It was a pile of bull crap since when you walked down from the second level, the restrooms were directly under the stairs.
edit: Adding, I requested they not hire that person and told them to just let them go. They did nothing but complain the entire time I was training them and were trying to go out of their way to not learn from what it felt like.
JDeere13 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:17:20 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I was just messing with ya man. Thanks for the reply though.
Decyde ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:08:47 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yep.
I have no problems point out people who weren't a fit for a job and letting management/HR know.
Hands down the worst guy I ever had to train was a guy who just had knee surgery.
The job is like every standard job, you must be able to stand, walk and lift 40 pounds to apply and he applied for it.
I had my manager come up to him after first break and ask him if he wanted to quit since the job wasn't really for him. He gave it another hour until he took him up on that offer.
Nillabeans ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:05:42 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Sounds like for eight years you had no friends. Break room shenanigans are awesome.
Decyde ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:16:46 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I too remember Jr. high school ;p
Nillabeans ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:19:54 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Seriously? So you're literally above talking to people because reasons.... And I'm the immature one. Lol okay.
Decyde ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:24:39 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"Break room shenanigans."
I had a Mexican and a black guy working while I worked there and they would both pick on each other playfully. They would say random stereotypes at each other sometimes and people would just look the other way.
One day the Mexican guy said something about the black guy and the black guy went to management. He ended up suing the company for $10,000 and the Mexican guy got fired.
So yea, "break room shenanigans" or anything not work related is better off left outside of work.
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 15:08:41 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, why have interest in other people...
Decyde ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:22:13 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No, I'd say a high 80% of the people were adults and would talk about their kids. I personally don't care about hearing about my cousins kids so I'm not going to spend an entire break listening about another persons kids.
The other 20% was work related things such as how long I've been working there or things about other people working there which didn't matter at all.
I understand it's small chat but I'm not at work to make friends, I'm there to work and make sure they can do their job right. Small chat can come later after they are even around anymore.
Uoop ยท 73 points ยท Posted at 14:05:28 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I thought everyone ate lunch in their car?
patientbearr ยท 105 points ยท Posted at 14:33:42 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well yes, ever since Obama repealed the Workplace Lunches Act this has been the norm
I don't have a car so I'm just not allowed to eat
DetroitDiggler ยท 56 points ยท Posted at 14:46:25 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I usually just go out there to cry and fap.
Lyratheflirt ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:40:33 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
/r/me_irl
8oD ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:56:50 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Tears make the best lube.
Spoon_Elemental ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:43:43 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No, whack off in the bathroom. They can't tell you not to go in there even if it's not your break. They also can't tell you that it counts as your break. just make sure to do it in the family restroom so you don't get caught.
Dr_FupaGunt ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:47:36 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's the opposite order for me :'(
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:38:49 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Started new job today, I did go out to my car to cry.
lenswipe ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:05:17 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What do you mean?
gofastdsm ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 17:04:14 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Back in 2009 Obama repealed the Workplace Lunches Act (WLA) in an effort to increase productivity and pull the economy out of the Great Recession. This lead to the Lunch Riots of 2010.
lenswipe ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 17:17:32 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
TheGogglesD0Nothing ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 17:39:46 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Mainstream media doesn't want you to know, so they don't report. The major effect is that many office environments do not allow lunches in the building but give too short of time to leave the facility to get food and come back so many eat their lunches in their cars now.
patientbearr ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 19:21:22 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You're being downvoted by the MSM shills who want to sweep Obama's War on Lunches under the rug.
Don't let the media hide this atrocity!
NorthBlizzard ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:04:37 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's funny how nobody cares yet if it was Bush or Trump people would still be saying Republicans don't care about workers.
lenswipe ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:57:51 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What the fuck?! What if you didn't drive? Are you supposed to just not eat?
Doesnt_speak_russian ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:41:20 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Thanks Obama
firefarmer74 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 15:56:10 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Is this a real thing? I tried to look it up and found nothing but a few obviously unrelated articles from New Zealand.
antsugi ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:26:58 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No. I work at a panda express. In a 12hr shift i had 4 meal breaks. 2 10's and 2 30's
Screaming_Monkey ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 14:51:06 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My office moved to the city, and I no longer have the luxury of doing this or of napping in the car. Fortunately, before this happened, I started work remotely in a different state, but even visiting for a few days, I have this intense feeling of being stuck and unable to get away from all people during the day.
derekwtg ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:02:22 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I eat at my desk while working, and then go for a walk.
listen- ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:13:12 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
We're not allowed to go to our cars or leave the property during break, because people used to go get high, or go to a bar down the street for a drink. We are hourly, and it's a paid break now, so it's fine
Uoop ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:21:24 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Man, what a prison. My last job gave us 45 minute lunches and I used to go home and eat since I lived 5 minutes away. We weren't "allowed" to leave without clocking out, but I never did. Boss knew about it, never cared.
listen- ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:49:43 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, what's funny is I used to work at another location for the same company, and we had a 45 min unpaid break where we could leave. I rarely did because I just wanted to sit. But here, people ruined it, and now we sit there for 30 min, but paid. It was literally from all the people getting high, so I definitely see why they did it. Of course now they just vape it in the bathroom, so I hear
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:25:13 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I would, but it's like being Spongebob in the perfume department trying to walk past all the people taking smoke breaks.
[deleted] ยท 31 points ยท Posted at 14:21:05 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They don't have lunches to eat...
radikul ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:44:12 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It was that damn sasquatch!
[deleted] ยท 78 points ยท Posted at 12:28:52 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They eat in the smoking section.
ThatsMyHoverboard ยท 244 points ยท Posted at 12:30:18 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
FTFY
[deleted] ยท 167 points ยท Posted at 12:31:42 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Oh, right. Have an upvape.
BigTimeMullan ยท 46 points ยท Posted at 14:57:06 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
\//\
fihsbogor ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:25:15 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Vape naysh y'all
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:19:42 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Papa bless
superfudge73 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:58:58 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
FUPA bless
Alucard1331 ยท 47 points ยท Posted at 14:10:04 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Reddits circlejerk on hating vaping is kind of odd, like yeah it looks douchy and some people are douches that do it but its still better than smoking by a long way in terms of health and enviroment.
addysonclark ยท 24 points ยท Posted at 14:41:07 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Reddit hates it when people enjoy things they don't.
caelum19 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:17:57 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
While I agree I think it's largely people obsessed with vaping as a meme from h3h3's video, and Poe's law from the meme.
Lindt_Licker ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:12:33 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Such as women, for example.
rockman99 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:53:37 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ghostbusters(2016)
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:40:14 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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Lordbungus ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:30:08 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You didn't just ask him to stop? You took it away and he still hangs out with you?
DeuceSevin ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:10:25 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Reddit is a jerk. I hate him.
ThanIWentTooTherePig ยท 135 points ยท Posted at 14:13:52 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
We get it, you vape.
SkinnyScarcrow ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 14:43:02 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
We get it, you don't vape.
Alucard1331 ยท -13 points ยท Posted at 14:16:45 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Lol actually i don't sir, nor do i smoke cigarettes.
DiscoLollipop ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:18:45 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Vampires don't smoke or vape?
Denelorn ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 14:28:53 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Only vampires below number 1330 vape or smoke.
DiscoLollipop ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:33:04 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
TIL this, thanks!
Alucard1331 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 14:28:42 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
We transform into mist, not inhale it.
WifelikePigeon ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 14:45:47 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Apparently, making healthy life choices gets you downvoted...
A_Mouse_In_Da_House ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 14:48:34 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Joke
you
Badloss ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 15:03:33 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Vaping is just the new medicinal Marijuana. Enthusiasts and detractors are both insufferable
no_talent_ass_clown ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:20:18 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I bought a vaporizer and used it to help me quit smoking. Worked like a charm - the day it came was the day I quit. Don't denigrate vaping - it really has a good rep among those who are quitting. I used it for a few weeks and then put it down. If I had been daunted by people who cannot tolerate vaping (why??) I would still be smoking....
Badloss ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:26:00 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Using it to quit is awesome, I don't have any issues with that. It's the people that ramble on forever about the tremendous health benefits of vaping and how it's SO much better than cigs and how it's not at all a problem to do it inside and in your face because it's just SO much better for everyone... that's the shit that gets super annoying.
To build on my prior analogy, I don't have any issues with occasional weed use or even people using it medicinally, it's the people that spout off nonstop about how it solves literally all illnesses and is actually BETTER for you than not smoking that drive me up the wall
TripleOGeg ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:49:45 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I've been smoking for 15 years and nothing pisses me off more than those people, it's not a lifestyle it's just smoking a bit of weed.
If I pop an aspirin I don't expect a bunch of idiots to lecture me for 45 minutes on how amazing aspirin is, it's just aspirin.
A lot of these idiots are just new to it and it's just a phase they are going through. They won't be smoking in 5 years just ignore them, their opinion is worthless.
Also putting anything into your lungs other than air is harmful, anyone who claims otherwise is stupid. A lot of it comes from Rastafarian culture, they always say 'ya nah get cancer' but who's the main rasta everyone thinks of? Bob Marley, the guy that died of cancer.
decamonos ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 14:22:10 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Eh, we'll see. We currently don't have a whole lot of data on the long term health effects of vaping. We may find that in 30 years the flavoring has incredibly carcinogenic effects on your body. Or it might be just as healthy as air. We don't actually know.
Also it's beyond douchey. I worked with a guy who was a 'cloud chaser' and would make these enormously obnoxious vape clouds that irritated my throat and eyes and even after being asked to knock it off would keep doing it. He bitche'd q while hell of a lot when it got banned in the workplace too.
thatguythatdidstuff ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 15:53:27 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
the annoying thing is the hate on everyone that does it. theres a difference between the people doing it to look 'cool' and the people that are doing it to quit cigarettes.
if you can't learn to stop attacking the people using it to quit a bad habbit, stop attacking it all together.
FuckoffDemetri ยท 22 points ยท Posted at 14:28:41 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I would be astonished if it's anywhere near as bad for you as cigs. As someone who quit smoking with vaping, cigs make you feel awful after you finish one, vapes dont.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:30:50 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Exactly. Maybe they'll find some health impacts but there's absolutely no way it's as bad as cigarettes. Yet some people are convinced all the vapers are going to drop dead in 25 years. It's utter unscientific nonsense.
SaffellBot ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 14:39:39 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
We might find that, but it's not reasonable to assume that. The constituents of vapor have been used in fog machines forever. I don't think there is a lot of threat from vaporized flavorings (which exist in very low levels).
There is some difference due to particle size, which is worth investigating. However, the preliminary data and the mechanisms of harm both lead to vapor being significantly safer than smoke.
People making clouds in public spaces are dicks, even if there was absolutely no potential health effects it's rude as fuck.
grissomza ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:27:10 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Would it surprise you to find out there's barely any studies on the use of ultrasound machines to look at fetuses?
There's a lot of lacking areas research wise for things widely considered safe or used for long times.
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barsoap ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:25:17 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yes but no. That is, at least in the west the market is already self-regulating, vapers are rather health-conscious, taken as a group: You'd be hard-pressed to see propylene glycol, glycerol, or nicotine used that doesn't have pharmaceutical quality, and aroma suppliers certainly aren't stupid enough to advertise oil-based or sugar-containing aroma for vaping. The exact opposite is happening.
The vaping industry is mostly mom+pop shops and how large those kinds of companies could get in 6, 7, years. There's, aside from the Chinese hardware manufacturers (such as Kanger and Joyetech) no actual giants (not counting big tobacco who, much too late, now come onto the market with devices that literally suck ass -- outside of disposable stuff sold at gas stations, they have no market share).
That's not to say that there's no idiocies around, but if something was shown to be actually problematic it would come off the market very quickly, without regulatory intervention.
(Idiocy goes in both directions: E.g. the diacetyl scare which is way overblown considering the data we have, but also that people are using bloody nickel wire to vape -- even though there's perfectly fine, completely taste-neutral, stainless steel).
Of course: Don't get your juice from China. That's begging for trouble.
Generally, I don't mind such regulation at all. The problem, however, is that due to stupid bureaucrats and politicians listening to both the tobacco and pharma lobby (yes, both) we get completely bullshit regulations pushed onto us.
If the regulatory regime was sane, I wouldn't even mind paying a small nicotine tax per actual milligram nicotine (no such bullshit as "per ml liquid"), to fund research into aroma safety.
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barsoap ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:35:37 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The fuck is the US importing glycerol from overseas... that's somewhat like importing HFCS.
As far as the stuff I get is concerned: It's sourced via the trade network of apothecaries, German vape vendors and juice producers quickly piggy-backed on their infrastructure. The online shop I buy at gets their base ingredients by the literal trainload, directly from the producer, they have quite a turnaround.
Of course, mandatory testing would be great, and, assuming decent batch sizes, also price-wise acceptable (we're talking spectral analysis, here, not just titration for nicotine content or such) but it would be kinda strange to have stricter norms for vaping products than for pharmaceutical ones.
"Things have to be pharma-quality unless it's aroma, which has to have food quality (and also otherwise suitable)" is enough regulation, there. If you then want stricter pharma regulations, be my guest.
Alucard1331 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:28:01 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Again thats one example of a douche and yes we may find out these flavors etc.. when inhaled are carcinogens but in the meantime we Know cigarette smoke is heavily carcinogenic so imo a better trade off, plus they don't smell so bad nor leave a residue on things nor do people throw down cigarette buds while using them so imo they are a much better alternative to cigarettes.
kittenpantzen ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 15:02:38 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They don't smell so bad to you.
E-liquid is some of the foulest-smelling garbage. How you think it smells good is beyond me.
GummiBearMagician ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:48:16 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
There's literally thousands of different scents and flavors of eliquid. You might just be smelling a small selection of what's out there. Vapers tend to have a taste profile that they prefer, maybe an offending vaper you encounter often likes something "foul" smelling to you?
I was vaping at Comic-Con last year. I try to be considerate and step outside or go to designated smoking areas, but I was standing in line outside and there were people in almost every direction. I manage to find a sparsely populated parking lot and get my fix (quitting smoker) but a stray breeze picks up the vapor... right into the face of two security guards walking past. I'm looking apologetic and begin to say sorry when one of them gives me a stern finger wagging and says , "You're lucky that smells AMAZING." and gives me a joking clap on the shoulder as she laughs her way past me.
kittenpantzen ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:08:47 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Only a few of my friends vape, and they all are considerate and go tf outside so the rest of us don't have to breathe it.
It's entirely possible that I smell non-offensive vapor often on the sidewalk and it doesn't register. But, whenever I'm out and catch a whiff of something retchingly sweet? It's someone vaping. Always.
barsoap ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:35:59 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Retchingly sweet is why I can't take most American aroma producers seriously. That, and adding bloody colouring.
German aroma generally means "one flavour, exactly one". Fair enough, and you get a choice between peach (ripe) and peach (can)... as in "ice tea from a discount supermarket". Generally not sweet at all, short of the natural sweetness of propylene glycol and glycerol themselves.
The French. It might not come as too much of a surprise, but the French actually rule the world when it comes to producing vape aroma compositions. Pity they don't advertise nearly enough, it's not easy to get outside of France, I bet it's neigh impossible outside of the EU.
"Cotton candy aroma", btw, is more often than not straight ethyl maltol.
GummiBearMagician ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:36:41 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Don't label something as douchey just because a douche is doing it.
iamPause ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:03:28 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
See, when this happens what you want to do is sit right next to them and find a lovely piece of music like Brokencyde's Bree Bree and play it as loud as you can. Then just be like "oh sorry, is my hobby annoying you?"
rickroll95 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:51:47 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Has it actually been proven as a healthier alternative? I mean I don't doubt that it's better for you than smoking but I still have a hard time believing that vaping isn't harmful.
asifnot ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:49:28 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
but still waay worse than not vaping, in terms of health, environment, and generally looking like a douche.
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 14:30:18 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ftfy
IAmA_BluMedic_AMA ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:41:55 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'd be very surprised if vaping is found to be anywhere near as bad as smoking, if it's even bad at all. We have a lot of data now and it's all proving to be a lot more positive than the data for smoking.
eulb42 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:49:43 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Like water vapor could be as bad as inhaling something that just combusted ... Some people just silly...
nyislanders2121 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 15:32:33 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's not water vapor though. It's propylene glycol and vegetable glycerin vapor. That's what vape juice is made from. (Not saying those aren't way better for you than smoke, just that it's not water vapor)
eulb42 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:31:57 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I did not know that, (I did know it wasnt water though) so, sorry for spreading ignorance, and thanks for the info.
sunnygovan ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:45:33 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Do you honestly think there is a chance that having less carcinogens in something will make it more harmful? It seems unlikely.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:01:04 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Depends on how carcinogenic inhaling the vapor of "vape juice" turns out to be.
sunnygovan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:38:14 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Does it? That will impact things like emphysema rates and littering? Do you have a source for this?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:05:33 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/smoke-screen-are-e-cigarettes-safe/
sunnygovan ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:38:46 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Is that a no? There is nothing in that that suggests vapes are on the same level as tobacco like you are warning. Indeed it only goes so far as to claim it may not be safe.
Furthermore I can't find anything about littering or emphysema in that article (except that it may worsen an existing lung condition - which is far less than what tobacco does).
Also the article claims there is zero information about the inhalation of propylene glycol, which I find somewhat hard to believe since it been used (indeed in a similar way) in Nicorettes inhaler for the last 20 years - surely long term issues would be cropping up by now?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:45:39 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Go watch a video of "cloud chasers" and then come back with "PG long term issues should be cropping up by now"
sunnygovan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:45:30 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So, again, just to be clear, you really can't back up your assertion that vaping might be as bad for people and the environment as smoking is?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:18:37 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Just to be clear: do you know what "might" means?
sunnygovan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:42:21 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, but the way you are using it has as much value as saying that under quantum theory the matter in front of you "might" spontaneously redistribute into gold bricks.
The idea that vaping could be as bad for the environment as smoking based on nothing except not being able to prove 100% otherwise is so ridiculous it's funny. Who cares? If someone had typed "Pressing the windows key + L on a connected keyboard (that is fully functioning and not captured by a program) locks an idle windows PC" would you have felt it necessary to correct them with "Pressing the windows key + L on a connected keyboard (that is fully functioning and not captured by a program) might lock an idle windows PC"?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:37:34 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Do you realize how long it took to demonstrate a connection between smoking and lung cancer?
sunnygovan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:58:08 on June 1, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yes.
Is there a reason you keep making irrelevant points?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:15:28 on June 1, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Do you work at a vape shop?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:22:29 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
At this point, no one knows. Least of all, two dickheads on the internet.
Get a dictionary. Find the definition of "might". Learn what it means.
Vaping might not be as bad as smoking, and it might still be bad. No one knows.
sunnygovan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:00:43 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
1) No-one is claiming this except you. Your source pretty clearly implies they are safer than cigarettes (might exacerbate emphysema as opposed to might cause emphysema). It's trying to show they might be unsafe. Not that they might be as bad as tobacco.
2) Lol.
3) Isn't this 1 again? Had you already started numbering but couldn't think of a third point?
SuperWoody64 ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 14:27:51 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"it's only water vapor!"
"then why bother? Smoke a real cigarette ya pussy"
thatbast ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:43:17 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I prefer the term pansy. Almost more insulting due to the vanilla tone.
SuperWoody64 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:44:57 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Suck it up and get cancer like a man ya pansy.
Yeah I like it too.
BackFromVoat ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:20:49 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's not water vapour though. It's a combination of propylene glycol and vegetable glycerin.
SuperWoody64 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:28:49 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't know enough about it to debate that but that's the defense people use for scumbagging it up inside.
BackFromVoat ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:56:19 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, there's plenty of shitty people about. Unfortunately it's the shitty vapers that stick in people's minds.
SuperWoody64 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:02:52 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I saw a guy in a grocery store. He was in his late 40s no less.
Purpzzz710 ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 14:14:51 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
has that been proven yet? Vapes have only been around for a few years.
barsoap ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 14:29:10 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Conservative estimate is 95% less harmful. That's the UK, the French are saying 99%.
As far as the 95% number is concerned: 4% of the rest risk are due to aroma.
And that's the "we can't really say that it's safe" number, not the "we can't really say that it's harmful": That's what conservative means. "Assume the worst".
While, yes, long-term studies are hard to get by as it's new we can e.g. look at whole-lifecycle studies of lung cells in petri dishes and come to conclusions -- lung cells don't live nearly as long as humans. And one of those conclusions is: Unlike with smoke, cells aren't dying left and right, they seem to be rather unimpressed.
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exodeos ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 14:23:06 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
From what I've read the particulate size is way way smaller for vaping so it has way deeper penetration in the lungs. So if something is wrong it will be way worse.
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barsoap ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:39:32 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It could very well be more healthy to live in the countryside and vape than to live in a city and not vape.
That at least is about the ballpark of risk we're talking about here.
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barsoap ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:44:32 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's not the case over here, I'd say. People like this pleasant Swiss aren't rare, at all (as far as pleasant Swiss aren't rare).
Also: People who only smoked (like me) 10 years instead of 30 or such before switching are better off, here. There may very well be a "youth can take vaping better" correlation, with the actual cause being how long their smoking careers were.
Which is actually a huge problem for the researchers: People who never smoked before taking up vaping are exceedingly rare so what is due to vaping, and only vaping, is virtually impossible to quantify.
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barsoap ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:10:59 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What upsides?
I mean yes nicotine is a stimulant, but if you're not a smoker getting into a vaping habit is about as likely as becoming a caffeine addict. Short of people who are neurologically pre-disposed, that's just not going to happen: Vaping is too complicated for that (compared to a cup of coffee, at least).
It may become a thing with people with severe weight-related health issues due to food craving, to still exactly that craving: Vaping a doughnut comes with a negligible amount of calories. Of course, overweight people also aren't the most representative study subject.
I remember reading an analysis of relevant polls etc. in the UK evidence review, but don't ask me for details or page numbers.
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barsoap ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:13:59 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
There's no such thing as a nicotine high. A buzz, yes, but no high.
The closest thing, in case you don't know what it's like: Just like caffeine, just more physical.
Imagine you're standing in a park, then, you see a ball flying towards you... e.g. because some kid misjudged their shot. You decide to play it back, and in that instant, you get an activating energy surge in preparation for the actual activity.
That's what nicotine does: It activates the parasympathetic nervous system.
exodeos ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:15:14 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This is well put, and I admit I know very little on the subject, but I still can't help but think we are in the same point as we were with smoking. Where there's no 'known' consequences right now. But then again, that's my own, probably unfounded opinion.
YogaPenguin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:56:06 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's smaller yes, but there isn't any tar being inhaled. Not counting flavorings, the chemicals PG and VG used for juice are extremely inert. PG is even used in hospital air ducts to increase sterility.
A_Mouse_In_Da_House ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 14:49:20 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Clearly you don't know chemistry. I can get a lot worse pretty easily.
Sunfried ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:37:47 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The choice is not one or the other, but includes the third choice of doing neither. I don't think Reddit is pro-tobacco in any way, either. But while smokers can be addicts, vapers e substantially just people following a conspicuous trend, and that is why they get the Reddit circlejerk.
trznx ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 14:34:24 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Better than something negative doesn't make it positive. I hate smokers too, you know. And it's not like vaping replaces smoking, they're too diffrent.
altiuscitiusfortius ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 15:00:20 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
But its not though, and people keep insisting that it is, so that's why the hate.
"oh, you don't want me to spread large amounts of shit all around you while you eat? Ok, Ill use this vape and just spread small amounts of shit all around, thats okay right? Its less, so its totally acceptable now and you are an asshole for not wanting my shit all in your face and lungs"
cisxuzuul ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:22:27 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Thank god we have a smoke and vape free office
[deleted] ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 14:03:03 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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Das_Gaus ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 14:05:37 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Vape naysh y'allllllll
ctully1988 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:46:34 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
OP is Steven Glansburg
i_am_omega ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:27:41 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't eat my lunch with anybody. I love my coworkers, but I take my lunch in my car. It's worth the gas to run the air enough to cool my car down, then I can take my lunch in peace and actually relax.
dasfeesh ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:36:19 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I bet no one eats lunch with OP
fluteitup ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:59:22 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Thank GOD!!
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:01:13 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
To be fair as a man who likes to sit alone and read at lunch and generally does not take up invites to lunch by colleagues, good, this my time.
renotime ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:07:27 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And the hot girl probably only talks to you when she has to.
cisxuzuul ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:12:08 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You shouldn't become buddies with your subordinates.
sacredsinner1313 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:52:18 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Fuuuuck.
Nillabeans ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:21:02 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
With the amount of salt in this thread, I feel like eating lunch for these guys consists of licking white cubes.
Whales96 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:36:20 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No 38 year old with a drop of self respect would want to eat lunch with fresh High School graduates.
sparklyteenvampire ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:39:44 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They wish.
Rootner ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:45:13 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I eat my lunch alone every night.
edisongiang ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:40:00 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Something something "You can't sit with us" something..
cparen ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:47:20 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Based on your phasing, am I to assume normal people prefer to have lunch with others?
Hazzman ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:28:42 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Would you really want to eat lunch with the little pricks?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:40:23 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Damn dude why you gotta be so real
[deleted] ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 12:25:26 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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bethecorreiasbidet ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 13:49:01 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's the joke
Katastic_Voyage ยท -14 points ยท Posted at 14:00:25 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
What I still don't get, is why I would give a shit if they ate with me or not?
They have almost nothing to offer me. I'm the one with skills and social connections and the respected opinions.
If they were smart, they'd realize the onus is on them to gain our respect and access to us.
That's not condescending. That's reality.
But this is Summer Reddit now, so these posts are more about one-upping than facts, eh? Apparently everyone here right now thinks "they know everything, and are gonna change the world!"... oh, youth... full of energy and downvotes.
bethecorreiasbidet ยท 33 points ยท Posted at 14:02:37 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
See, this is probably the reason nobody sits with you.
nerdkingpa ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:39:53 on June 1, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Even if he came off badly in phrasing he's not wrong. Everyone should be treated politely but friendship, honor, respect, and anything else is something you must earn.
nerdkingpa ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:40:47 on June 1, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You came off badly in phrasing but you're not wrong. Everyone should be treated politely but friendship, honor, respect, and anything else is something you must earn.
Copy and pasted because I wanted you to see not everyone disagrees despite the downvotes.
WV_Raider304 ยท -6 points ยท Posted at 13:55:49 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
How's calling someone a thug racist?
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 13:56:56 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท -7 points ยท Posted at 14:02:16 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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enclavedzn ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:53:30 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Lol
Hey_Gus ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:18:52 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Exactly. Soon, once you're not useful anymore, they'll go back to their cliques, their whispers and laughter. You'll once again be on the outside looking in.
DrNick2012 ยท 546 points ยท Posted at 13:56:14 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yet they still bully you "stop managing yourself, stop managing yourself"
stone_henge ยท 134 points ยท Posted at 14:08:53 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
/u/Helldozer72 and the dress code
sitting in a tree
k.i.s.s.i.n.g.
yugung ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 16:04:21 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Does the tree count as a unisex bathroom for our inspection? It's wheelchair accessible.
Token_Black_Cock ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 16:53:20 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
First comes a promotion, then comes a citation, then comes retirement and a severance package!
DrNick2012 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:13:46 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Paying into retirement now and then, P.E.N.S.I.O.N
mongoosedog12 ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 15:12:29 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Part of me suspects the nerds here were like Liz Lemon in highschool and don't even remember
masinmancy ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:50:15 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
She's so mean!
TheGogglesD0Nothing ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:41:13 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You're the gay one!
AnotherSmegHead ยท 2330 points ยท Posted at 14:00:33 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I used to run a video game lounge. Some girl put on her resume she was prom queen in high school. She actually turned out to be one of our best and most knowledgable employees because she took the time to familiarize herself with games people were currently playing. Basically, transitioning the popularity mindset to her new environment. There's still uses for those people (in customer service)
glenomenon ยท 896 points ยท Posted at 14:26:00 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And sales. And PR. And all kinds of account management/client relations types of positions. There are tons of jobs out there where the ability to make people like you isn't just a nice attribute, but straight up part of the job description.
CleverReferences ยท 541 points ยท Posted at 14:42:45 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Seriously. I'm a socially awkward weirdo who likes numbers, so I'm over here, alone in an accounting cubicle. But our marketing and PR team is full of former cheerleaders and prom queens. They aren't the people I'd choose to hang out with outside of work, but they're the right people for those positions and they kick ass at it.
BawsDaddy ยท 175 points ยท Posted at 15:54:41 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Believe it or not I was a socially awkward nerd. Then I saw how people were selling and just copied them. It's funny, I'm amazing at sales and customer service when I'm on the clock, I'm the go getter. Then when I'm off the clock and don't have a prime directive, my charisma goes into hibernation until the next shift.
WineWednesdayYet ยท 56 points ยท Posted at 17:42:02 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I totally get this. I hate small talk, and I quickly tire after too much social interaction. However, if I need to turn that skill on for work, job interviews, or socially if needed, I can do it. I have NO idea where it comes from - it's like I am a different person. I can't sustain for long though.
coffeesippingbastard ยท 26 points ยท Posted at 18:07:50 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm the same way. It's a hugely important life skill though.
You just click a button in your head, and your voice is a little louder, you smile more, you laugh, become more animated, etc etc.
Pretty sure that trick alone has gotten me so many jobs that much more qualified but less social people could have gotten.
elwebst ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:33:04 on June 1, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And you have a stock set of funny stories you've perfected over the years, are the life of the entire dinner table, then go face-down when you get back to your hotel room, desperately hoping no one calls you or anything else so you can recharge. INTP forever!
the_nic ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:08:26 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Thats also called alcohol.
AtomicManiac ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 16:57:39 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Same here. I was a nightlife photographer for a few years and becoming the type of person who could walk into a packed bar - alone and mostly sober and be able to talk to everyone in the room is a skill I never would have thought myself capable of.
Thowle ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:14:18 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Dude, I have to agree with you. I'm a teacher and when I'm inside the classroom I change completly, I'm very outgoing and the total boss, but when I'm outside I just kinda loose this attitude. Wish I could keep it on all the time.
badcookies ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:06:48 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
A good combo of both is very useful, because while they might be able to sell it, they might not learn the technical details which can help you make the better buy for a person and help them more.
SuperBakaKing ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:03:52 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You'll just have to roll higher during the next character creation
BawsDaddy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:43:38 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Naw, I rolled pretty high. I've worked with those that are considered socially superior to me. They make less money and spend $200 a weekend on drinks to cope with it. I'm busy making sure their children have clean water.
I'm exactly where I want to be.
Clawless ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:41:28 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"Fake it til you make it" is a real thing.
Spikekuji ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:26:16 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Prime directive? Nerd cred affirmed!
macmarklemore ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:54:59 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I have to act happy and confident onstage, then outgoing and social after the show, but when I get off the road, I shut myself in, never see the light of day, and do what I really want to do in the studio or on XBOX. Heh.
QuotesUnquotes ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:04:30 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's pretty interesting, it's like you can just turn it on and off.
Helpdeskagent ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 17:15:00 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, I have the same thing but the problem is it's not that enjoyable. You look like your having a great time but its just great acting. I would much rather be doing computer networking which I'm currently going to school for. All that fake energy is exhausting.
OmegaLiar ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:16:17 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I believe you were socially awkward, yes.
Son_Of_Borr_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:44:18 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Fake it till you make it. I hate people, but I'm great at talking with clients and advising them.
mnl1121 ยท 31 points ยท Posted at 15:09:21 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Looking on LinkedIn shows me all the popular kids from high school are now in pr
lilylemony ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 16:25:44 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Or advertising.
mnl1121 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:44:32 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yep. That too
dwmfives ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:34:54 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
PR is getting paid to be popular.
[deleted] ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 16:30:31 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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kroxldyphivian ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 17:24:56 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
you don't seem bitter at all.
VenditatioDelendaEst ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 18:59:21 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He's right though. Marketing and PR are professional con-artistry.
Darkhorse182 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:54:56 on June 1, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Bullshit. They're just easy for people with no understanding of the job to pick on. Like you. That's akin to saying "all IT workers are hacking the Pentagon in their spare time."
BrickMacklin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:49:46 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm going into PR and I was the exact opposite of those people.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:59:18 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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BrickMacklin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:04:44 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I can tell you only have a surface grasp of public relations.
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 20:05:17 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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BrickMacklin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:06:42 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
About?
ladyxdi ยท 141 points ยท Posted at 14:50:04 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They're all our event girls. Good looking, young women that are flirty, smart, use their looks to their advantage and get the damn job done. I ain't mad at them. *snaps
tivooo ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 17:01:52 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Snaps snaps**
EmbraceInfinitZ ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:56:46 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Except they never accept my drink invites.....
niuguy ยท 23 points ยท Posted at 15:06:46 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Damnit Eddy, if you'd get your hair cut more than once every 3 months maybe you'd have a chance!
JohnQAnon ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 16:56:34 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Wait, how often? I was under the impression once every 6 months was normal.
MrKMJ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:29:23 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Once a week in the Marine Corps, monthly for professionals, whenever you want for artists and bums.
Find out where you fit on that spectrum and you'll be fine if you act accordingly.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:32:46 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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EmbraceInfinitZ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:18:40 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
There with you! Most people do not care about your hair, just show up in proper business attire.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:50:13 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This varies highly by industry. Unless you're in an upper management role, the software industry (for one example) doesn't care if their professionals do the cookie cutter thing.
EmbraceInfinitZ ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:18:12 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Or you can be a professional, and tell everyone to bug off if they truly care about your hair.
MrKMJ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:43:18 on June 1, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's unprofessional.
EmbraceInfinitZ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:26:39 on June 1, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No one cares truly about that if you are willing to tell people how it is, and be better than anyone else at said position. The latter has to come first however.
MrKMJ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:28:01 on June 1, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I believe that telling anybody to, "bug off," in the workplace is immature and unprofessional. Adults should be able to express themselves more eloquently than children.
Saying nobody cares is naive. I don't care, and you don't care, but everybody has to tiptoe around active conservatively, because the people in the offices control work culture, and they usually disapprove of childish behavior.
Your workplace may be different, but professionalism is a spectrum. Offices can be as strict as Marines, or as relaxed as a bunch of hippies. You may be correct that nobody cares where you are, but being an outlier doesn't make you correct.
EmbraceInfinitZ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:06:40 on June 1, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
I have never actually said bug off haha, I more meant it as a general telling them that it doesn't matter. You being an outlier does not make you correct either. Professionalism is only defined by the person defining it.
[deleted] ยท -6 points ยท Posted at 17:05:57 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"girls"
ladyxdi ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:09:26 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I called them young women, as well, because they are. I didn't use "girls" in infantize them or anything.
[deleted] ยท -11 points ยท Posted at 17:17:46 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Using "girls" to refer to grown women in a professional context is infantilizing. Not a big deal, just something to be aware of.
ladyxdi ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 17:19:48 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm aware of it, that's why I replied with what I replied with. They're my girls. I know them, you do not. :)
Seliniae2 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:39:42 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What branch of accounting?
40inmyfordfiesta ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:46:42 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I picked accounting because I'm a socially awkward weirdo. But it turns out all of the people that go into public accounting are super outgoing and cool as fuck.. I don't know if I'll make it.
Malifous02 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:26:30 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
From experience, you can be a solid introvert and do fine, just depends on how far you want to go. Me, I moved on to industry once I started brushing the sales and relationship management spheres.
foragingsociety ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:27:37 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm becoming more and more aware that I'll have to learn to code. I need another troll job where I don't have to deal with the general public. Just give me a pile of work and leave me alone with my iPod.
BrickMacklin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:46:50 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Which is odd because for some males I've net in the profession, and ne who is trying to get into it, we were more reclusive in high school.
Nethageraba ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:32:44 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I bartended all the way through college, and now I'm a programmer. I hope to get some more professional experience and then do more of a "making people like me" job, because I'm pretty good at that. I suppose selling software or something?
[deleted] ยท 91 points ยท Posted at 14:56:18 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I have a mate who works in the City of London in finance. Half his job it getting drunk with people and making them like him. He's so very good at it.
Makes absolute bank too.
nitrousconsumed ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 16:34:05 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I work in advertisement. That's my job w almost-done-deal clients.
Tystero ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:18:40 on June 1, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So the Roger Sterling job is a real one?
nitrousconsumed ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:08:51 on June 1, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm the owner of my agency so I can get away with it, but it isn't uncommon to have a bottle of whiskey for lunch w clients that I've known for a while, or with clients that are about to sign papers.
I've only done business in LatAm, so who knows if it's like that in the US still.
C0rnmaze ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:49:18 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This was basically my job in Banking, formally referred to as a 'Management Liaison'. Oddly when recession hits, those jobs tend to be near the front of the line.
UberLurka ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 18:11:35 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You're using 'oddly' facetiously aren't you?
StompyJones ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:27:16 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No more money no more clients no more liaising. Doesn't seem odd to me.
C0rnmaze ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:49:18 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This was basically my job in Banking, formally referred to as a 'Management Liaison'. Oddly when recession hits, those jobs tend to be near the front of the line.
carriegood ยท 100 points ยท Posted at 15:11:09 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
A friend from college is the most sociable guy I know. Hugely popular. His grades weren't spectacular, and he majored in a liberal art, but now he's a regional manager of a sales department for a global company and must pull down 250k a year. He's also incredibly happy in his marriage and his family. Sometimes good people skills is all you need.
Meanwhile people tell me I'm one of the smartest people they know, but I'm socially awkward, and I have never had a job interview go well. The only post-college jobs I've ever gotten were because I already knew the person hiring - my best friend's friend, a family friend, my mother's boyfriend, and now my mother.
SoCalDan ยท 57 points ยท Posted at 15:30:29 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You should apply for a job with him to be Assistant Regional Manager. err...I mean Assistant to the Regional Manager.
bucketofboilingtears ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 15:44:58 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Or the Secret Assistant to the Regional Manager
8oD ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:04:04 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Or the preferred ass of the Regional Manager.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:31:46 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
beets?
SontheMessiah ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:36:03 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
AssMan for short.
we_belong_dead ยท 34 points ยท Posted at 16:17:15 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If i'd known what life was like, I would never have made Charisma my dump stat.
hellosexynerds ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:33:30 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm the same way. Horrible at interviewing but I do an amazing job once I actually get it so ALL my jobs have come from referrals. Problem is I am so shy I don't have that many friends to refer me. I wish every day that I was more outgoing and wasn't so nervous and shy around people. It has absolutely held me back from accomplishing what I would like to do.
coffeesippingbastard ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:09:55 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't know where you are in your career- but find a way to interview as much as possible- even jobs you don't want.
You can fake being sociable- it's a learned skill just like anything else. Be observant, pay attention to their facial queues, use some empathy and put yourself in their shoes- think about what YOU would want to hear from a great candidate.
I'm sure you're a great employee but if the hiring manager doesn't know that, and you don't make it known, that's your fault.
hellosexynerds ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:08:40 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I know how to fake being social and I have a lot of empathy. I've been a manager for many years. The problem is during interviews I am just too nervous and can't think. I've interviewed many, many times. It has not gotten better. Having severe social anxiety is not something that is easily fixable. It is not the same as being unpracticed or the usual butterflies most people feel before an interview.
OCSRetailSlave ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:03:34 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I've only recently had a genuine interview go well and I'm nearly 27. Circumstances fucked up in the past. Good on you for having contacts!
carriegood ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:32:47 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's true what they say - it's not what you know, it's who you know!
ladyxdi ยท 58 points ยท Posted at 14:48:50 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Offices are popularity contests. You WANT to be close and personable to the people in charge because those are the ones who will move you up a position.
[deleted] ยท 28 points ยท Posted at 15:02:19 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I got further from talking to a few people in different departments then I did from years of grafting.
piranhas_really ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 15:33:11 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Grafting?
[deleted] ยท 23 points ยท Posted at 15:34:55 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Basically, getting your head down and doing a hard days work.
piranhas_really ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:40:17 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Thanks for the clarification.
StripClubJedi ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:37:50 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
not to be confused with grifting, which is actually what they're describing. Although, grafting in terms of horticulture is a lot like grifting.. I just confused myself.
AadeeMoien ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:33:43 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I thought you meant the type of corruption.
PlainTrain ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:30:27 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Huh. TIL grafting can mean either corruption or hard work. Use your context wisely, kids!
Fa6ade ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:17:48 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Botanist presumably.
skysten ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:00:12 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
*years of graft.
Joetato ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:51:36 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
When I got my first "real" job (one that wasn't working for my father's company or WalMart) at a bank, I decided the only way to get ahead was isolate myself from most coworkers/management and just have crazy good performance metrics. I figured actions speak louder than words, you know?
I got passed over for every single other position I applied for, despite knowing (for a fact) that I knew more than the people who got it. It was a Tier 2 support position to help out Tier 1 employees. the tier 2's would come to me (a Tier 1) for the really hard stuff because they knew I'd know. We were divided into teams and my team lead (who also was supposed to provide the equivalent of Tier 2 support to the team) would just send everyone else on the team to me because she didn't like answering questions. "I don't know, ask Steve" was her normal answer.
So why the hell didn't I ever get the job? Probably because I stayed as far away from management as possible.
quietIntensity ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:57:21 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not just the people in charge, but everyone who might speak to the people in charge. A couple of years ago, we went through almost a full changeout of the project managers on my team, between retirements, contract length limitations, and the end of a hiring freeze, all but one PM was new to the team and company. I made it my goal to become their favorite engineer, mainly by being as nice as possible and doing whatever I could to help them learn our processes and whatever technical information they might find useful to understand how it all works together. It really adds up when every week at the project meeting, each of the new project managers would say things like "QuietIntensity helped me and the customer application team understand how to best structure the user roles so that they can make changes in the future without requiring them to re-engage with us to update their security policies." It also helped that I'm the only female engineer in a team of many engineers, and all of the project managers are women. The guys tend to be a bit gruff, and stereotypically impatient when someone doesn't understand something, and sometimes come off as condescending. I did whatever I could to be friendly and patient, even if I wanted to strangle them for being brain-dead. That same attitude had to extend to our business partners, as I couldn't be super nice to the PM, and shitty to the customers, so they got the super friendly hyper-informative and helpful engineer facade too. Eventually, that facade became more and more comfortable, and I found myself with a far better work environment, because all of these folks would send praise to my management about how nice and helpful I was, and started requesting me for their projects. All of this lead eventually to a '5' rating on my review, a raise, and later, a promotion to a higher level of the same job category and another raise. I'm no more technically competent than before by any significant margin, but the change in attitude at work on it's own has caused major career growth.
Elderberries77 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:27:08 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not when your unionized...then you don't have to make anyone like you. Fuck office popularity contests and politics, I'm there to do my job and then leave to do fun things I don't want to deal with that shit.
ladyxdi ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:50:52 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Really because it seems like if you aren't cool with your union reps, they are dicks to you. At least that's what I've been told from various teachers and a shit-bag cable company that won't be named.
S_H_K ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 14:54:50 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Politics sadly
deadhead94 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 15:30:47 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I have pretty bad social skills, but I can sell you shit you don't need and you will thank me for it.
mada447 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:44:26 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Oh yeah? Try me motherfucker.
pramjockey ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:56:52 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Take my money!
8oD ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:00:27 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I have white gloves. Sell me a ketchup popsicle.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:34:53 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
did you know frozen ketchup does not melt?
8oD ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:14:05 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
All I know about ketchup popsicles, I learned from Tommy Boy.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:53:41 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
want to learn more? I'll sell you mine. I have two. they are really interesting.
AnotherSmegHead ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:33:35 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Word
fluteitup ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:03:43 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I was never hot enough to be popular in high school, but now that people care about me as a person and not my looks, I'm pretty popular.
Nillabeans ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:10:06 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah it's kind of telling how salty people get about others having charisma. Charisma is by no means a bad thing. Not having charisma is a way easier way to fail. I don't even interact with people regularly at my job, but if I acted like a troll whenever I had an idea or needed help or something, it definitely wouldn't help.
They're are definitely people who care way too much about high school dynamics, and they aren't all the popular folk. Like seriously, move on.
IamA_Werewolf_AMA ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:59:29 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And pretty much everywhere else. As a shy nerdy dude, through effort I've become more attractive and personable and I've come to realize through the process it's often the less-popular people I used to hang out who are the shitty ones. People like you if you're nice to them and do things like remember stuff about their lives that is important to them, maybe if nobody likes you it's because you're a jerk.
Obviously this doesn't apply to anywhere near everyone, I still love a lot of my same friends, but many have the high and mighty attitude you see in anothersmeghead's comment (those people are useful in sooome roles, clearly since they're attractive they're dumber than me). It's like they're insecure so they have to convince themselves those attractive "cool" people must be stupider or more shallow or less committed, whatever. I used to be that way sometimes until I realized it's pathetic and mean, not to mention completely false. Attractive, popular people are often that way because they really have their shit together.
I don't know, it just irks me. I even have old friends who are heavy that try to act like my fitness routine is some sign of deeply held insecurity. But that's a whole other can of worms.
elwebst ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:29:17 on June 1, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I spent a year at an ad agency (the rest of my career has been client-side). I'm telling you, what an awakening. The unbelievably hot girls you only saw for a brief second on campus, with an entourage of drooling guys following them? They work at ad agencies, in "account management", where they smile a great deal to 50+ year old client dudes and make them feel cool, who in turn shovel out giant piles of cash onto the agency.
I was the nerd in the corner who would analyze the clients' databases and tell them who their customers were and how to find more people like them. Or more accurately, I'd tell a minion, who would tell the super hot Account Manager, who would tell the client, who would stain his khakis and sign another huge contract.
FuckingColdInCanada ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:41:27 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Fair enough but I will be the exception. 30 year old die-hard comics and movies nerd and I excel in my sales position. While the prom queens laughed I played MTG at the lunchroom table. I'm certain I make more than they do. It's all about being able to engage and build that genuine relationship
hornwort ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:12:31 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Journalist. Politician. Lawyer. Doctor. Mechanic. Teacher, instructor or trainer of any kind. If you need other people to work with you, charisma can be the #1 most important quality you can have.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:52:36 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Further, if you are good at making people like you, you're more likely to get a promotion and less likely to have your peers resent you for getting said promotion.
JCoop8 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:47:57 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Came here to talk about this. While your high school popularity may not have any pull, there are still plenty of fields that will use the skills that caused them to become popular. And in almost all fields, those people skills become networking skills which can help to advance you no matter what field you are in.
[deleted] ยท 142 points ยท Posted at 14:34:23 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I dont blame her. Fresh out of high school you've done so little you have to list everything you can. I tell my students put everything, volunteer hours, clubs, sports etc.
ABEW19043 ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 16:41:32 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm wondering when it's no longer acceptable to include HS stuff. I did a lot of shit in high school (Student government pres, Honor society pres, etc.) And it looks so much better than the few jobs I've had since (gas station and retail before where I am now at an insurance company). There's just so much room to fill and so little to put in it.
Whales96 ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 17:53:56 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I would say when you have relevant experience to replace it. Use prom queen to get a job, but use the job you got when you go on to apply for other jobs.
kciuq1 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 17:36:12 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I would say the limit is the point when you have graduated college, or are old enough to have graduated college, so about 25. You don't want to appear to have peaked in high school either.
fantastic_lee ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:06:06 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
2 years or 3 other experiences, after than it looks odd that at 20 you're talking about your glory days in high school unless you're still in school and/or active in that same activity but in a different role (ie; now a volunteer teacher at computer club).
Kids should really try to do some volunteer work outside of what may be mandated by the school because those are the best references.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:28:29 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I dropped everything from high school from resume entirely my sophomore year of college--it doesn't even say where I went. I made an effort to replace those things as I went along--particularly joining a couple clubs at my University and getting some new volunteer experience. I think volunteering is a pretty big one--I wanted potential employers to see that I'm continually involved in the community, rather than for a couple years when it was required in high school. I'm no expert, but I think it might be more meaningful to put on a resume that you're currently in a leadership position, or have been volunteering somewhere and are still doing it.
takabrash ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:58:30 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Put it in until you have something better, honestly. Then, if it has been ten years and you're still putting it on there, evaluate why you haven't done better and make some changes. I have a buddy that's 35 that still has umpiring high school baseball when he was a college freshman on his resume. We all keep telling him to drop it, but he seems really proud of it for some reason.
Clawless ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:45:01 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It honestly depends on the job that's being applied for. If the experience is relevant to what you are trying to do, then put it! If you are putting your experience as a high school yearbook editor on your resume for a job in engineering...it's not gonna work. But if the job is for a newspaper or other graphic design field, then it's relevant and could work.
Basically, figure out what the people hiring would like to see, then see what you've done that fits that description.
dan-syndrome ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:06:37 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Take it off soon after you graduate HS. At max, have it on their a year after graduation.
justablur ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 17:49:38 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Guild treasurer, raid captain, etc.
Cressio ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:37:03 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm now realizing how fun getting a job is if you've done none of those too
Poop-n-Puke ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:50:23 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It might have worked out for her, but don't think you should ever put prom queen on your resume
[deleted] ยท 1259 points ยท Posted at 14:13:05 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This is reddit dony confuse people by telling them social skills are actually important.
RyanOver ยท 153 points ยท Posted at 14:16:59 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
They are social on PS4/XboxOne party, by criticise your skills, calling you n00bs etc, Damn it Billy I just got the game !!!
madogvelkor ยท 79 points ยท Posted at 14:23:40 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
When I was about 13 I was buying a new PC game from a game store. The clerk there tried to talk me out of it, saying it was a lame game and stupid. He wasn't trying to talk me into buying something else, he just didn't like that game and thought it was stupid anyone would want to buy it.
RyanOver ยท 51 points ยท Posted at 14:31:50 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Got told the same thing when I bought ATV vs MX for my PSP. I play the hell out of this game..
But I should've listen when they told me Watchdog was trash.. I'm still bitter about it..
[deleted] ยท 42 points ยท Posted at 14:54:49 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I still couldn't believe the first 'hack' event where you should chase down some guy who is trying to hack into your phone, and gun him down in broad daylight (fuck bystanders), when the main storyline is that your niece was collateral damage in your own fucktardary.
It's as if the people who wrote the script, and created the game scenarios had never even met. The game was total crap on that alone.
T3hSwagman ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 17:04:46 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My favorite stupid scene from that game was a part where the old criminal mastermind dude says to the gang boss something along the lines of, don't cross me like a stoat. And the boss is like wtf is a stoat? And the dude next to him says, it's like a weasel, who then gets rewarded by being beaten to death by the boss. Fuck you for knowing words I don't you lowly grunt!
8oD ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:06:16 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Anyone named Aiden (or Breydan, Caydan, Eidan, etc down the line)I try to steer clear of.
thundertool ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:00:45 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
How is that any different from the nuanced characters in GTAV who you can send on murderous rampages regardless of which character it is though? Franklin isn't the type to steal a tank a murder a hundred people but you can have him do it.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:34:03 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You send them on rampages. It's very different when the story hinges on the death of an innocent, meanwhile someone hacks your phone you just assume it's not related and now need to hunt him download and murder them in retaliation, and if a bystander gets killed, oh well I won't bother me!
It's inconsistent and horribly written and executed. It make more sense if Adrian crybaby would become an hero after accidently king someone, but that's too complex
dwaters11 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:32:35 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
well, what game was it?
madogvelkor ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:44:46 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Outpost_(video_game)
He was, in fact, correct. But from a business perspective he should have suggested something else or explained why all the glowing reviews were wrong.
dwaters11 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:08:07 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
if it was one of the big chains, the guy probably cared more about helping a kid out than he did making a sale. doubt he was making commission on each sale.
madogvelkor ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:15:19 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well, they're out of business now... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Egghead_Software
8oD ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:07:40 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I loved that place. I'd sit on the floor and read a strat guide for a game I recently would have purchased.
madogvelkor ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:10:10 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Their premature jump to online-only sales was a mistake. I thought they had gone bankrupt.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:13:14 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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Missing_nosleep ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:45:46 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I Also have monster hands and what are those ds's, ds's for ants?
Shabacka ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:17:22 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Eh, the bigger screen is lower resolution than the smaller one. If you have big hands though, the xl is best.
Still probably not really his place to say anything.
idsay ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:40:14 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
same resolution, just a larger screen. lower DPI.
watershot ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:00:09 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
as someone who's played this game for 3000 hours in my mom's basement in lieu of getting a real job, you can trust me when I say U NOOB FUK OFF
8oD ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:02:55 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Thanks for spelling it n00b. I hate how it is now "nub". Fucking ewoks.
NsatiableHoneywagons ยท 43 points ยท Posted at 14:28:45 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah dony,..shut the fuck up.
gemini86 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:13:05 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You're out of your ducking element!
AnotherSmegHead ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 14:36:47 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Oh I willny! I WILL NYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:12:34 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
WILL! WILL! WILL! WILL!
WILL NY THE SCIENCE GUY!
MagicalTrevor09 ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 15:04:45 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, what the fuck? As someone who used to have poor people skills and envied those that did, I turned myself into someone who does. It's been the most helpful skill I've ever learned.
AdammabA ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 15:21:49 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Redditors think having a degree ensures a job, when, in fact, it's only part of who you are. It proves you are able to learn enough to pass exams, but it doesn't prove you are a good fit for our company. People skills can sometimes outweigh a lack of knowledge when it comes to getting a job. Not many people want to work with an antisocial person unless they are REALLY good at what they do.
radministator ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:53:47 on June 1, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yup. I've never had a job interview that didn't turn into an offer. Hell, I just accepted a new position at one job and landed my current company as my first new contract during my exit interview with my current president.
addledhands ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:54:25 on June 1, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This was my experience too. Desperation for work lead me into working in retail sales (Best Buy, mall stores, etc), which taught me how to talk to people that I didn't know, and how to deal with being in constant social contact with other employees. It was a mixed and sometimes difficult bag at first, but forcing myself into it taught me how to interact with a way bigger array of people.
I'm a technical writer now. A really important part of my job is talking to people and getting information out of them, and having a lot of experience with different sorts of people prepared me well for this kind of work.
I hope my futurechildren go into computer science, but they'll work in retail for a year or two no matter what else they're good at.
Dukmiester ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:21:14 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"Dony", are you Scottish by any chance?
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:23:28 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It was a typo. But my dad's Scottish.
Dukmiester ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:24:16 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Close enough.
centurijon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:34:13 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ok, I wony
Hatweed ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:44:06 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I work in a printing press. Social skills don't mean shit to me anymore! HAHAHAHAHA!
JimmyBoombox ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:23:54 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
God damn it Dony.
boxofcardboard ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:45:33 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
EQ seems to not only be important, but more critical than IQ (source).
palfas ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:47:29 on June 1, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"dony"
This is real life, grammar, spelling, and punctuation are important.
FUCITADEL ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:25:39 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
SHUT UP, MOM!
Coos-Coos ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:05:03 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Work is just high school 2.0
Eventually the cool kids OP is training will form a click and Dwight prank him into oblivion.
[deleted] ยท -6 points ยท Posted at 14:26:02 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
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arrow74 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 14:46:43 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Or mental handicap.
Sometimes down syndrome is the fast track to prom queen if you have a generous class.
[deleted] ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 14:39:30 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It is though.
sunnygovan ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 14:50:55 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Wait... Are you saying that popularity contests are usually won by people with social skills? Pull the other one.
boxofcardboard ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:49:14 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It is known
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:19:34 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's actually all it is, really.
DOLLARSTOREDILDO ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 15:18:04 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Theres a difference between pleasing the hivemind and social skills. When i think popularity, i never think about smart people, i picture a dumb blonde bimbo on the table getting banged by fifty cocks. Life gave her two wonderful things, and thats the only thing she can exploit. Where as people in obscurity have to work on actual skills to make it in life.
Unless your name is Richard Branson... Then you can have both.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 15:31:18 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You really shouldn't call that attractive girl a slut, just because she didn't like you.
DOLLARSTOREDILDO ยท -6 points ยท Posted at 15:50:45 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Thats actually well put. But i didnt intent it like that at all. I have a tendency to come of like an asshole, hence the difference between pleasing people and social skills. We could talk about it a bit more, but the longer i talk the bigger the asshole i become usually. Its better if i just shut up =D
disclaimer; one of the fifty cocks.
glenomenon ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:48:54 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I hope you're really good at whatever STEM major you choose.
40089972 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:48:30 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Oh grow up. Maybe if you didn't bash on everyone who is popular, you would actually have some friends. The truth hurts.
DOLLARSTOREDILDO ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:00:49 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If i had to acknowledge that fiction it would certainly hurt =)
That being said, i was clearly setting a stereotype. Two actually. No joke intended. Or perhaps, at this point i dont know anymore.
coffeesippingbastard ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:12:43 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
the fact that you construe popularity with that image is just holding you back tbh...
BrassMunkee ยท 179 points ยท Posted at 14:30:23 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
It's a toss up but you're right, you can't judge a book by its cover. When I ran a GameStop many years back (before the first wii came out) I hired probably 25 people during that time. My favorite were the kids in sports, almost every time. Not only were they dedicated to their sport, they're looking for some cash at 16-18 years old, while still going to highschool. No matter the motivation, these kids stayed busy and knew how to work hard. Just had to work with their schedules, and bam, you've got a solid staff.
The absolute worst applicants were always the die-hard gamers. So? Why are you interested in working here? "Oh man, I'm such huge gamer, I play games like 8 hours a day." They weren't really interested in the work, they were interested immersing themselves in game culture. Not a bad quality but stereotypically they ended up being the hardest to call in, hardest to get to hustle.
WcCannons ยท 38 points ยท Posted at 15:20:48 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Anytime you're hiring in a non specialty/non skilled setting, athletes are going to have an engrained advantage. They already have one of the most important skills.
They show up.
DigBickJace ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 17:10:54 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I did sports year round in high school. Never was very good, did it mostly to stay in shape, but damn am I glad I did looking back on it.
There are honestly so many qualities and behaviors you develop by being in a sport, I think everyone should be required to be in one in high school. Sounds extreme, but I really think it would do a lot of people a lot of good
pneuma8828 ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 21:20:42 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Fuck that. There is a far cry between thinking everyone should participate in a sport, and requiring it. I can't think of anything shittier than practice with people who are doing it because they are forced.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:20:10 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
One year when I was playing hockey, I was on the worst team in the league. We did not win a single game. The life lessons I learned that year are invaluable.
DigBickJace ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:06:09 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
/s or naw?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:37:52 on June 1, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
not /s, you learn about egos, how mean adults can be to their kids and most important of all, how to lose.
kidkolumbo ยท 60 points ยท Posted at 14:54:05 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What is hustling in Gamestop? When I think hustle in retail, I think stocking shelves fast.
BrassMunkee ยท 99 points ยท Posted at 14:55:51 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yep, that's it. Stocking shelves, cleaning the store, getting on register when a line forms, giving good cs, answering question, alphabetizing. It's simple work, it was hard to get some kids to do it.
annul ยท 70 points ยท Posted at 15:22:31 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
gotta hire a MOBA player if you want good cs
umopapsidn ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:28:02 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Just not support, if support has good cs early game, the team suffers
Lyme2 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:47:20 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
make sure he plays carry
MGA5525 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:30:47 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
ayyy gurl i get 100 cs every 10 minutes
mrwillingum ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:57:41 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
When I'm training a new person in retail, I say "Can you clean your room? Good, you'll do."
RogueBookwurm ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:41:53 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I thought you were going to say something like getting them to: sell warranties, disk insurance, sell a game magazine, or preorder stuff.
BrassMunkee ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:38:02 on June 1, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ha oh god, I mean yeah there was some of that too. I was a bad store manager in that regard and is ultimately why I left GameStop. I told customers constantly that the warren ties were not worth it. I'd pitch it, see if they want it, but let them know it's a terrible warranty overall.
The magazine subs and preorders were still always a good idea. We were a small store so pre-ordering at ours was crucial if you wanted to make sure you got the new game on release. And the magazine did come with a dope card for discounts and trade-ins. At the end of the day though, I don't believe in pressuring my customers into something they don't really want. I know it's crazy GameStop, but some people just don't want it. If I want them back in my store again, I'm not going to make them uncomfortable. If they want to just come in and buy a game unbothered, they could do that in my store.
GameStop didn't agree ;) thankfully, 10 years later, I have a way better career at a way better company. GameStop can jump off a bridge for all I care. They can take my district manager with them, that sleezy scumbag.
dwmfives ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 16:36:22 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hustling at gamestop makes the difference between a gamestop you walk in and buy a game, and a gamestop you walk in and wait for 30 minutes while a line of two gets rang out.
HokieScott ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 16:13:27 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
pssst kid, I got a copy of Madden 2006 with McNabb on the cover.. you want cheap?
bkdphi ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:28:44 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Selling reservations and subscriptions to game informer /discount card.
[deleted] ยท 34 points ยท Posted at 14:42:27 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My gamestop was smart. They had pretty girls working there.
TheBeardyGamer ยท 73 points ยท Posted at 14:56:01 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I know this girl who was 17-18 at the time was having trouble getting a summer job before going to university. I told her to stop looking for jobs in restaurants and try some game/tech shops. She got a job the first day she went looking.
mileylols ยท -40 points ยท Posted at 14:56:05 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't even go to a video game store unless there's girls there. If I want to talk to dudes about video games I can do that on the internet.
glenomenon ยท 28 points ยท Posted at 16:51:03 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Some people go in to buy video games.
mileylols ยท -11 points ยท Posted at 17:01:53 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I find it hard to justify that anymore. I mean, if I enter the store, I'm gonna leave with something sure, but if I already know something I want, most of the time I just buy it online. The only games I actually want physical copies of are 3DS games, and with Amazon offering 10% off and release-day delivery on a lot of them now, it doesn't really make sense for me to go to gamestop.
TheMuskOfElon ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 20:20:23 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Except to creep on high school girls
stereophony ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:56:34 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Have you tried internet dating? Then you won't even have to leave your house at all!
I'm kidding. Just learn to not be a creepy twat.
radministator ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:28:18 on June 1, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
/r/justneckbeardthings
lolilocket ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 17:29:42 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I totally agree here. I work in GAME, and the absolute worst people to hire the majority of the time are the die-hards. When selling gaming consoles, we're always taught that no matter how much you love one platform, you can never try and oversell it over the other. For example, I love my PC and PS4 and would never touch an Xbox one myself. But if a customer asked, I wouldn't shoot the Xbox down to them. It would be a decision based on their likes and dislikes, not mine. The amount of kids we get in the interviews who start console wars between each other to the point they wouldn't even sell it to each other is worrying. Whereas people who probably know gaming but aren't die-hards, or charismatic people who can gain the knowledge understand that you can't show favoritism.
And that's just one example. I can think of many times we've regretted taking that one guy because he was 'alright' in the interview.
listen- ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:16:45 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm assuming that was a minimum wage job and got really excited that hardworking high-schoolers were the ones working there. As it should be. Not 45 year old men with 3 dwis who need a job within walking distance of their by the month motel room, demanding $15/hr. That's a real example, so nobody get mad
altiuscitiusfortius ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:03:44 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
God, I cant believe the first wii is considered an ancient system now. I stopped buying consoles after the N64 (but I had every one from the colecovision up to the n64), and I bought a wii for the party games, what feels like yesterday. But I guess it was a long time ago now.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 14:49:31 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't know if you use the word in American English but I found these young sporty types to be grafters.
[deleted] ยท 47 points ยท Posted at 14:32:39 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So, high school prom queens are popular among video game lounge clientele. Next thing you know, the mountain dew machine is a huge success.
AnotherSmegHead ยท 31 points ยท Posted at 14:40:52 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
She did a lot more behind the scenes though than most employees. She didn't have to, but she did
TheAssassinZer0 ยท 47 points ยท Posted at 15:31:38 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Phrasing? Are we still doing phrasing?
PaleInTexas ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:50:17 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
We need to bring back phrasing!
Twoapplesnbanana ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 15:55:35 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Make Phrasing Great Again!
8oD ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:09:58 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Sterling Archer for prez!
baltakatei ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:35:44 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Archer shows how socially dysfunctional people act. The more you emulate the characters of Archer, the more socially dysfunctional you become.
TheAssassinZer0 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:39:50 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
k?
SteakDinnerWithJesus ยท 88 points ยท Posted at 14:19:49 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
I mean once you get out of high school and into some competitive fields, everyone was the smart kid in HS, so IQ doesn't mean shit.
As a IT consultant, I can tell you that EQ, the ability to read into other people's non verbal cues, and the ability to communicate IT concepts into everyday conversational language, is far more important in my industry than IQ.
That being said, it's still kind of an odd thing to put on a resume IMO
madogvelkor ยท 74 points ยท Posted at 14:25:42 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
When you're just out of school your resume often looks very sad and small and you feel like you should put anything you can on it. I put a list of hobbies on my first resume.
Which worked out -- one of my hobbies was making web pages, (this was back when Geocities was king), and that got me the job since no one else in the office knew anything about the web.
[deleted] ยท 52 points ยท Posted at 14:51:03 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
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madogvelkor ยท 23 points ยท Posted at 15:00:24 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yes. And a garish background that prevented you from reading the colored text. And animated gifs. And a visitor counter, of course. And a links section, so you could visit my friends and the random websites I thought were funny. Sadly (or fortunately), it wasn't archived by the Wayback Machine.
But at least with Geocities you had to have a little skill to do that, unlike MySpace. :)
8oD ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 16:10:46 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"Sign my guestbook!!1!"
Helios-Apollo ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:35:09 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Don't forget frames!
madogvelkor ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:23:32 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
How else would you put everything in the right place?
ajax6677 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:58:39 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Class of 98?
madogvelkor ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:24:37 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
96 :)
ajax6677 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:45:11 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hah. :) That was my first guess but I was '98 and went with that. I was tinkering with the same things around that time.
SteakDinnerWithJesus ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 14:37:03 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Yeah I do recall some difficulty in trying to get the resume filled up when I first started. Yet another reason for High Schoolers to volunteer. Seriously, volunteering did wonders for networking with people in the community, getting me scholarships for college, having quality items on the resume, and just getting me the ability to help others. Any HS kid reading this, please do yourself a favor and volunteer
UmerHasIt ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:55:11 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Just graduated high school. I have tons of volunteering on it (as well as jobs I've had). No doubt that I have a stacked resume, just had a really hard time getting it to fit on the page.
SteakDinnerWithJesus ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 14:59:54 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Good problem to have
ttchoubs ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:27:28 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And, ya know, youre helping people and junk
Screaming_Monkey ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:09:39 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Listing hobbies is great. Be sure to add a reason why your particular hobby is applicable to the job you want. For instance:
"Classical piano (since age three): Mastering the piano has made me highly focused and determined, and the study of music in general is well known to increase one's [whatever 'well known' cognitive benefits studying music gives that I can't recall]."
That might be a little wordy, but you get the overall gist. Otherwise they just gloss over it, because they're busy and don't have time to make the connection themselves.
Plus, the more hobbies you have, the more well rounded you are. I'm a web developer, but I'm also an amateur novelist. (In addition to being a pianist.) This means my email communication is of a high enough quality that I can connect with clients directly if need be. (Or that my boss can copy and paste my words to a client, changing only the pronouns, lol. It amuses me whenever that happens.)
tink9995 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:37:45 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Good ol' geocities and angelfire. :) I made a few fan sites on there. I got fairly decent at early programming. Wish I had stayed with it.
Thotsakan ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 14:33:01 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I can understand in a way her thought process. An 18 yr old HS graduate doesn't have much on their resume.
I was editing a few resumes of kids I mentored. Being older, I can easily fill a page on my resume. I mean, dudes like you or I probably have trouble keeping things to one page.
A lot of these kids had like one job and maybe one extra curricular activity in school. Maybe they volunteered. I can see a HS grad putting everything they can on a resume just to fill it up.
SteakDinnerWithJesus ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:44:52 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I mean I totally get the why, don't get me wrong. I could easily see hiring managers interpreting that the wrong way [Management is weird]. Could be seen as conceit, or managers could still be holding their own grudges with "Popular Kids" based on their own experiences. Maybe putting "High Emotional Intelligence" would have been a good neutral way of approaching it, and then expanding on it in the interview when asked.
Of course this is hindsight after being in multiple jobs that involve looking at resumes then passing on to management
vouuxx ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:02:28 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I graduated last year, and I haven't applied for work yet- doing that this summer, but the best I could do for a resume is probably...
President of the Dance Club for one semester
Four years of acting experience
Graduated high school
Directed cars in a parking lot for a month
I feel like not much of that means anything to an employer.
Thotsakan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:44:40 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Haha, are you asking for real advice? I'm not an expert or anything, but I would put skills at the top, education, and then your job experiences. I'm sure you'll do fine for most jobs you're applying for too.
CumBoxReseller ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:43:01 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I work as an IT consultant as well and social skills is such an important part of our industry. I have been on jobs where other contractors will have their contracts cut short mainly because they don't gel with the team.
Every contract they have wanted me to go permanent with them and have had previous contracts ask for me to re-join them - I dont even think I'm the most technical out there but I havent been without a contract now for 5 years.
yourdadlovesballs13 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:50:28 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Back in my day you were encouraged to put that kinda stuff on your resumes by counselors and teachers.
UberLurka ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:17:23 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm recruiting at the moment for a regional middle-mgt position. One guy put on his CV, under his current role's job's responsibilities and acheivements: "attended team meetings on time"
NoviceElectromancer ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 16:10:27 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm in high school now. Maybe it's just my school specifically, but the whole clique system everyone on Reddit seems to talk about having seen has completely dissolved.
In my school all the popular kids are the kids who do a lot of clubs, have the best grades, and are the most sociable and polite. All the athletes aren't in a class of their own because usually all the athletes also have the best grades and are the most sociable and polite.
No one gets made fun of for being smart or nerdy or anything; it's more like the most popular people are the smartest and wittiest and the most knowledgeable about nerd culture.
Basically in high school now, your popularity is judged by how hard you work. If you dress well, exercise, do a lot of clubs, and keep your GPA up, you're popular. If you sit in the corner on your phone and refuse to participate in anything, you're unpopular.
Orthas ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:21:12 on June 1, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm a few years out of high school and got to see the transition in progress. It was kind of interesting to see happen.
The_Ogler ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 14:53:36 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And in PR. And in sales. And in social media.
AnotherSmegHead ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:56:22 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Word
Valrakk ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 14:17:00 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So, did you hire her just because she was the prom queen?, right?
gibberish5387 ยท 64 points ยท Posted at 14:20:57 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That second comma made me twitch a little.
[deleted] ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 14:21:49 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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ditty305 ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 14:32:05 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
triggered
9797 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:57:22 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
!,?
AcrobaticEmu ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:39:58 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Thought that was a bit of dirt. Tried wiping it off about 8 times before realising that's a semi-colon.
You fucker
2partysystemlol ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:58:38 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
dick twitch?
Screaming_Monkey ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:14:02 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's because it was added as an afterthought without first removing the question mark?, right?, it makes me twitch, too., but I see why it was done., still hasty and sloppy,,,,
PZeroNero ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:00:32 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Fuck up some commas ey
DFogz ยท 28 points ยท Posted at 14:38:09 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Pick one or the other, not both.
altiuscitiusfortius ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:06:45 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Is also acceptable.
8oD ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:12:11 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
orxor. I love that operation.AnotherSmegHead ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:36:16 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I actually put her application at the bottom of the pile and hired her out of desperation, but it just proved how foolish that approach was in the end when she started showing up almost everyone else working there.
PaulaDeenSlave ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:40:59 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Carla was the prom queen.
InsertNameHere77 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:58:08 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hell having social skills is useful in any job environment.
reg0ner ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:55:33 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
HIRED.
BegoneBygon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:57:38 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Implying that they didn't all get their communications degrees. Have you seen those courses? Now THAT'S where all the hot chicks went
SirNarwhal ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:08:16 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
To be fair, prom queen is definitely relevant to a resume as at the vast majority of schools it comes with leadership and outreach responsibilities on top of the popularity contest stuff.
Tylerjb4 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:12:14 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And management
OuchLOLcom ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:19:19 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Time are a changin. When I was in high school the cool kids didnt want anything to do with a video game lounge.
OwenMerlock ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:28:08 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
How does a video game lounge work? Is there really a market for people to leave their house to play games?
AnotherSmegHead ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:05:07 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, if their house sucks or their Internet sucks or their selection of new / old games sucks or their social life sucks.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:24:21 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Those people are usually the most successful people at every business. OP probably knows more than these kids ever will but he's 38 and stuck training people. Meanwhile these kids will get promoted quicker and probably be OP's boss one day if they decide to stay with this company.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:29:54 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
just because you're popular doesn't mean you're automatically an idiot
AnotherSmegHead ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:04:16 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Exactly
Faukez ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:24:29 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That makes a lot of sense and really shouldn't be surprising. After all, isn't there that really common trope about the popular jocks becoming great car salesmen?
CKtheFourth ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:01:05 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That sounds like it's less about popularity & more about putting value in whatever she's doing. Either way, she sounds like a quality employee.
KeenanAllnIvryWayans ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:10:10 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Prom King/Queen and Homecoming King/Queen are different. At my school, Homecoming court usually has more dicks/assholes/bitches/sluts and the Prom court usually had a more diverse crowd of nice people in it.
securitywyrm ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:34:22 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I suppose that's the difference between someone who was popular, and someone who just thought they were popular because their friends liked them.
cupcakegiraffe ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:54:22 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I hired a young man who had Eagle Scout on his application. I was willing to give him a chance because it takes a lot of work to get to that point. Second worst employee I had. He lied all the time and was so lazy, I wondered if his mother did all of his merit badges for him. Didn't even bother to call into work, just stopped showing up and when I finally got ahold of him, he said he quit, that his new job started in an hour. Ha ha! You can't always trust those extra application add-ons.
_XanderD ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:32:51 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If she was Prom Queen she also must have been pretty hot. Pretty sure it's easier to sell even shit when you're attractive.
AnotherSmegHead ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:13:19 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Even though that was like 12 years before I hired her, yeah, she looked good.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:57:46 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Or pharmaceutical sales reps!
roeyjevels ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:52:15 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Tits on tills, dicks on grills.
SamEZ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:48:13 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I won class clown in high school and put it on resume's until I finished college. Kind of makes me cringe now but I had a string of cool jobs back then!
fwaming_dragon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:46:09 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Being social/popular and being intelligent aren't mutually exclusive.
JennLegend3 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:40:25 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This is accurate. I was pretty popular in high school. I was cool with all the different groups of kids. I don't think I was a snob though. But nowadays I'm really excellent at working with people. It's just what I do and it has gotten me far in a career.
AnotherSmegHead ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:41:44 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Mmm, yeah, some people just have skills to adapt to any social situation, network, fit in to any shape hole basically.
KittenSwagger ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:46:48 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Oh man. What an amazing employee. It much has been extremely difficult and challenging to play games on your off-time. What an amazing employee.
/s
AnotherSmegHead ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:04:03 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I believe the correct phrasing is, it was difficult for most employees to wait for their off-time to play games...
[deleted] ยท -35 points ยท Posted at 14:17:08 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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Markantonpeterson ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 14:20:56 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Perhaps you are the regarted person
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:24:39 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Curious what do red pills actually taste like?
clarret ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 15:15:12 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Rofl you think what I said was red pilled? Hahaha that beta comment really pissed you all off :P
My comment is the obvious explanation for this idiots story. If you don't see that, then I just did you a favor and saved you $100 on an IQ test. Score: Sub 100.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:17:35 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
How do you cope with being one of the select people in the world who manages to see through all the bullshit?
Also why the fuck would I give a shit what my IQ is? Its not as if I would write it on my CV.
clarret ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 15:52:19 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
There's no coping necessary. It's obvious what's bullshit when you're intelligent. Something you clearly lack
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:52:38 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Obviously
clarret ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:17:31 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Glad you agree. Guess this convo is done and any reply would be very immature of you.
WcCannons ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:44:06 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You've never hired anyone before. No one has ever trusted you enough to give you that responsibility.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:48:12 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
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clarret ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:53:53 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
where did i ever say i was joking....ouch. this must be embarrassing for you
driveonacid ยท 119 points ยท Posted at 14:27:34 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I worked at a grocery store in high school. I was not a popular kid at school, but at work, I was part of the "in crowd." It's amazing how the social structure changes when you're not in the same place. Nobody cared that I "wasn't cool" at school when I was at work. I was just a fun, nice person to work with. A couple of time the "cool kids" from my school who also worked with me tried to let everybody know that I wasn't one of the cool kids at school. But, nobody at the store cared. They liked me, regardless of my social standing in high school.
[deleted] ยท 23 points ยท Posted at 19:18:05 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"A couple of time the "cool kids" from my school who also worked with me tried to let everybody know that I wasn't one of the cool kids at school. But, nobody at the store cared. They liked me, regardless of my social standing in high school."
Wtf, that's just straight up mean. Who the f would do that? Like, what does it accomplish for them? Jerks.
bigcatjesse ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 22:17:12 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah some people are mentally still in high school. I have friends who bring up stuff from high school all the time to try to embarrass me and make me seem lame in front of a girl or a group or something. One guy in particular brings up the same story about me every time we see each other, only he had of course sensationalized it to make me look worse and the story more interesting.
CosaNostrAstronaut ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 01:39:26 on June 1, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm sure OP didn't mean they actually went around to convince his coworkers, I'm sure he meant that they tried to knock him down a peg visibly in front of others or did certain gestures to convey that he was less. Also I'm sure they wanted their own work ethic to be ignored and wanted to be treated like how they were in highschool so they tried to get everyone to fulfill their old roles.
Prison_Vape ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:41:52 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's because in the real world, your judged based on your character and work ethic, not petty high school bullshit.
SOME_FUCKER69 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 08:22:32 on June 1, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Those werent cool kids. Just dickheads. Most popular kids are very likeable and nice. Everyone in highschool is the same as everone else. They like nice people. Some have sick parties tho so you suck it up.
[deleted] ยท -68 points ยท Posted at 14:43:37 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They tend to be pretty nice to the "special" kids regardless of how cool they are man.
Being the "in" kid with a bunch of lifers at a grocery store makes you so hip. You guys must've hit the club a lot.
[deleted] ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 18:21:15 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You must still be in high school.
patio87 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:45:34 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Night crew of a grocery store.
cucufag ยท 1515 points ยท Posted at 14:03:58 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Honestly I think the generation born before the 90's needs recognize that "highschool popular kids" are a totally different concept today than it was before.
The stereotypes I see being discussed by people in their 30's and 40's, along with the tropes I see in written media, are far less prevalent in high school culture today. You don't really get shit like FOOTBALL JOCKS running around with their highschool leather jackets shoving nerds aside and winning prom king, that shit's practically extinct.
I understand that there are still a large number of highschool kids who are outcasts, having less friends than normally and don't get to date as much, but that's not a result of their social cliche, it's a symptom of their own lack of sociability.
Today the "popular kids" can be seen anywhere, doing anything. Band geeks, debate team, computer science labs, after school gyms, wrestling club, swim team, whatever you want to do as long as you lead an active and outgoing life style. You'd be amazed at how much the popular athletic highschool kid today gets along with the kid who plays magic the gathering in the cafeteria during lunch. He probably knows a lot about star wars, is a huge fan of marvel superheroes, and can at least name all the first generation of pokemon... we all grew up with that.
[deleted] ยท 826 points ยท Posted at 14:18:10 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Like in 21 jump street where Schmidt became the popular one
DirtySperrys ยท 177 points ยท Posted at 14:45:12 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Are you two strapping?
[deleted] ยท 89 points ยท Posted at 14:49:24 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I do now, but in the 90's I definitely 1 strapped
niuguy ยท 52 points ยท Posted at 15:08:14 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This killed me. Two strapping was totally lame in the '90s.
[deleted] ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 15:10:51 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
totally
RCM94 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:08:06 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And I'm sitting here not able to comprehend why someone would one strap. It's so uncomfortable.
niuguy ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:46:45 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Uh, because I don't want to be shunned by society?!
habeeb51 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:03:15 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Exactly.
dwmfives ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:37:06 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If you put on both straps, there was a good fucking reason.
idsay ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:46:22 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
no straps and a color changing shirt. I think....it's been awhile.
niuguy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:50:13 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think that may have been the early 90's... Or, as I call, it, still kind of the '80s. I'm a product of the late 90's.
NamelessBard ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 15:19:25 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I still don't understand how this was universal.
ace66 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 17:09:24 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I live in Turkey.
We one strapped too, two strapping was completely lame.
SandstoneD ยท 50 points ยท Posted at 14:51:15 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'd no strap if I could.
okimlom ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:40:33 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So, carry the bag by the handle that you use to hang in the locker?
SandstoneD ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 17:06:46 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This guy fucks
FarmerTedd ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 17:32:14 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hug it like your teddy bear
I totally don't still have a teddy bear
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:19:21 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Shit, at that point might as well make it easier on yourself and get a backpack with the wheels on it!
[deleted] ยท 41 points ยท Posted at 15:05:28 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They're these crunchy granola dudes who have convinced everyone that they're cool, but they're not cool. It's backwards and unnatural and it's gotta be stopped.
metalninjacake2 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 17:52:40 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
God I love that movie.
leafjerky ยท 80 points ยท Posted at 14:50:51 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Exactly. I graduated in 2011 and I noticed that transition. Before I got to my high school, it was much like it was in the 80's with jocks and cheerleaders, but by the time I graduated, the smarter kids were becoming more popular. Now it's almost completely flipped. There are no more jocks and cheerleaders running the school, it's all about having an outgoing healthy lifestyle and you can be whatever you want. Yes there are still cliques, but it has all changed.
EDIT: Spelling for Clippy.
_paramedic ยท 30 points ยท Posted at 16:19:31 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
I think you made a little typo. Did you mean cliques?
EDIT: I'm fucking Clippy up in here. Did you mean cliques?
Nrksbullet ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:47:03 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I hope it's consensual.
leafjerky ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:00:41 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Usually Clippy is fucking you.
_paramedic ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:07:53 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hence the sacrifice
_paramedic ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:08:29 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Consent is sexy. Consensual non-consent is even sexier ;)
leafjerky ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:30:02 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yes lol
_paramedic ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:48:39 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Cool. The paper clip gods are satisfied with your submission
leafjerky ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:59:15 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I have always been a great speller, but there are some words you just miss. I'm also the same guy that pronounced the word chic "chick" for the longest time until my girlfriend corrected me. It's been over a year and she still makes fun of me.
_paramedic ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:09:36 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
We all have those words. For me it's naivety, I can never pronounce it right.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:01:25 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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leafjerky ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:00:26 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
We pronounce it as "click", but it is most definitely spelled "clique". See this for reference.
Whales96 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:56:56 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No, Clicks
_paramedic ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:00:42 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My b
sheeprsexy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:40:09 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I went to highschool in the late 80's. The smart kids were the jocks. The Hollywood stereotype on the dumb jock didn't exist. Our valedictorian was the quarterback. Varsity wrestlers got academic scholarships. I think some 'outsiders' liked to believe they were dumb because that made them feel better. However that was far from the case.
justatadfucked ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:57:02 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's weird, same year and basically everyone I knew was simultaneously thought of as popular and unpopular depending on who you ask. Most people would just be like "uhhhh... popular?"
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:32:42 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What's popular tends to change over time but who is popular is still largely driven by the traits that made people popular in past decades.
asifnot ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:52:22 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
lol so it changed sometime in the late 2000s? That's pretty much yesterday to people pushing 40.
28lobster ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:01:06 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Can confirm. Captain of debate and quizbowl team. Was moderately popular in HS despite.
8oD ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:17:28 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Arthur...
djc6535 ยท 162 points ยท Posted at 15:07:23 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
As a 34 year old this is definitely something I have noticed in the younger generation. For everything that you kids do that bugs me, (and yes, there's plenty, that's part of getting old) this stands out as the great redeemer... as something that tells me 'They are a step ahead of where we were'.
Being smart isn't a faux pax now. Being 'iamverysmart' is, and always should be... but it used to be that anybody in the honors classes was a 'try-hard'. I recall my friends.. friends in wrestling telling me I needed to drop calculus because it was "ruining my rep*. That I was pretty cool, but as soon as people found out that I tried hard in school it meant I shouldn't be invited to parties and the like.
It's not quite the movie "football jock pushing nerds" thing that you see in John Hughes movies... but it is a "It's not cool to work. It's cool to be snide and cynical and skate by" mentality. Nobody was getting physical with the nerds... flexing their muscles in front of the girls. It was just more of a "You shouldn't be playing their game..." kind of self destructive attitude. These people tended to pick on younger kids for their enthusiasm as well. That's where the real bullying set in.
That's all gone now. All Gone! It's fantastic. Teens help younger kids out. They're polite (ish) to each other. Being smart is appreciated. Being interested in school or books or video games or d&d or comic book characters doesn't make you a pariah. You're judged by how you treat people. That's a HUGE step forward from where I was in school in the 90s and it's a credit to you and your parents.
[deleted] ยท 45 points ยท Posted at 15:55:58 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Someone posted it further down, but I would say the changing point was after columbine. People started taking bullying much more seriously. Kids are taught a young age to be nice, polite and help others out if they witness it.
DavidlikesPeace ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 19:38:59 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I would argue instead that it's the John Hughes movies, and a host of others like it, that made school cliques overall more fun and chill. Constant media shows and movies ever since the 1980s were teaching kids that bullying wasn't cool, but a petty, idiotic way to be.
Or maybe I just don't like admitting that one brief spasm of violence led to a positive outcome. But I think we shouldn't discount the effect of Hollywood indoctrination either.
superfudge73 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:13:31 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Oh, believe me bullying is still a huge thing but it's all done online now. 99% of the high school drama I have to deal with as a teacher involves shit said on twitter, snapchat, or vine. As for traditional "bullying" I rarely see that because, as you said, this generation of kids has been indoctrinated since preschool to not bully.
gotdammgoblin ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:17:04 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Growing up my dad always taught me to hate a bully. To treat them the same as they treated the weak. That whole sheep dog and the wolf speech got brought up in my house a lot. I got in a lot of fights in school, threw the first punch in most of them. Never once got in trouble, because the teachers appreciated when someone did what they couldn't.
metalninjacake2 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:56:17 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I sincerely doubt that. I was in HS from 2008 to 2012, long after Columbine, and bullying was still very prevalent.
pneuma8828 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:24:32 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You don't know what it was like before. Columbine changed everything.
Occasionally_Correct ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:21:21 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I was in high school during columbine. I would say what he means, we're at the point where kids who were born around columbine are now in their later high school years. The anti bullying campaign kids now fill those halls, and it clearly has made a difference. You just missed it based on your dates
johnyreeferseed710 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 19:43:30 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I graduated HS in 2010, there was no bullies while I was there. Every one hung out with every one.Athletes, band, honor students, cheerleaders, preppy kids, gamers, even the ghetto people all got along.That's not to say there were never fights, but it was unrelated to what group you were a part of.I guess it just depends on your area
ApocaRUFF ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:18:44 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I noticed the change well before Columbine. Perhaps the act of Columbine made it speed up and spread faster, but this type of mentality we're discussing has been prevalent in the Midwest/Heartland since the mid 90's.
Edit: Thinking on it, yeah, I guess Columbine did help promote a, "Don't bully those you don't accept/like" mentality.
EtriganZ ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 15:27:33 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I feel like I was in the transition period between now and the John Hughes high school stereotype period. Early part of high school was like John Hughes, and the last two years, people were more integrated.
ncopp ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:22:41 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I graduated in 2015 and for me it seemed like it was way more impressive to everyone if you could get good grades and not even try. It was like who could get the best grade in english without actually reading any of the material.
AfterTowns ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:08:52 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That attitude will screw you over so badly in the workplace and... well everywhere besides high school.
ncopp ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:43:17 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Work smart not hard
AfterTowns ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:11:04 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Do both. You can't get away with doing just one of those.
Open_Thinker ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:20:15 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Sure you can. Your intention and advice are good, but people in society are not homogenous. There are some who don't have to work period, and others who can earn a great deal with a little smarts and not much effort.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:01:15 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
D&D is still really nerdy. At least where I'm from.
ajax6677 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:06:53 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
As a Class of 98 hs grad, I started noticing a small shift. We used to have pep rallies to honor the sports achievements. Either my junior or senior year, my classmates protested the exclusion of academics being honored. They protested so much they got the pep rallies canceled completely. Not sure why they couldn't just include the academics, but at least it showed the school kids caring about smart kids too.
BeefsteakTomato ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:12:58 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Removing leaded fuel and lead plumbing has made a world of difference in behavioral differences between generations. Lead is known to create this negative personality, just look at any 45 year old working in the trades to see living examples.
IamPriapus ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:52:14 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
There are plenty of reasons for this type of change; but, basically, kids, in general, are far more well informed. Society has changed. Being gay isn't a huge deal. Racism and general prejudice is at an all time low, though the media might depict otherwise. Reform is happening and has been happening, at the grassroots level, for a long time. I went to a highschool during the 8th and 9th grade, before switching schools, back during 97-99. Kids had far more free time on their hands and used to beat people up for fun. If guys were caught dancing, they were "super gay" and made a mockery of. Being smart was only okay if it could be used, intermittently, to help the bozo popular kids out. Otherwise, shaming is the only option. I used to hate that school. Fast forward to 2011 and I'm teaching at that school. The majority of teachers remained the same. Administration did change, yes; but, boy are he kids different. Dancing is no longer considered gay and lots of guys love to dance and play all kinds of activities. Kids are more engrossed in social media and general interactions on their phones rather than beating people up or bullying/vandalism. Things have changed drastically and I'm super glad for it. Fuck the 90s, as far as that is concerned.
ownage99988 ยท 73 points ยท Posted at 14:35:30 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The way I see it, is basically everyone except the bottom 1% and the top 1% have amalgamated. The bottom 1% still gets beat up and fucked with, and the top 1% are tbh not even mean, just everyone pretty much knew they were the cool kids. The other 98% are basically all on the same level. I graduated 2014, so pretty recent.
cucufag ยท 57 points ยท Posted at 14:38:00 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The top 1% probably isn't the ones beating up the bottom 1%. Even if no one likes the bottom 1%, your image won't get away unscratched when you're seen treating other people poorly. They're probably popular because they're nice.
ownage99988 ยท 27 points ยท Posted at 14:39:58 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
no that's what im saying, the bottom 1% gets beat up by some of the more asshole kids in the middle, and the coolest kids are the ones who are pretty much nice to everyone.
WAR_T0RN1226 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:07:25 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
There's the kids that are popular because they're assholes that everyone knows, and there's popular kids who everyone knows because they are involved in this or that and sociable
Dragmire800 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 15:02:35 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I have never seen any serious form of bullying going on in my school. At most, people will make a snarky comment and then talk trash about you behind your back. That is a really Irish thing, though. We are friendly to most people, but as soon as their back is turned, we are evil
SushiGradeNarwhal ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:02:33 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, I never heard of or witnessed any TV style bullying when I was in high school. And the only discernable group that mostly stuck to themselves were the Juggalos and even they got along with everyone else in group projects and stuff.
MadeInWestGermany ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:10:55 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
In my experience, the top 1% are usually nice enough to defend the bottom 1%. If someone makes fun about a "loser", a popular kid just has to say "Not cool." or something and it stops. Except the "loser" is really just an asshole, which often is the case. Than nobody will help him. Popular kids are usually popular for a reason and are also Friends with everybody.
ownage99988 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:43:22 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yep you're right. I'm thinking of one guy in particular that I graduated with and he pretty much was a huge asshole, but also probably had mild Aspergers and he thought that everyone didn't like him because he was weird but it was actually because he was mean to everyone. He's probably still like that unless he's grown up a lot.
[deleted] ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 14:34:39 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
That's really nice to hear :)
Sad I missed out on that! I'm not even in my 30's yet but my experience was totally different.
I think in my era we were at a halfway point -- no one beat you up and jocks didn't rule the school, but you were still weird if you joined certain clubs (in my school it was anyone who joined JROTC or any agriculture club -- city folk made fun of the country kids).
cucufag ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 14:39:28 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
There will still be problems, there will still be an unspoken heirarchy, and certain schools will suffer from these issues far more than others.
But I do genuinely believe things have gotten a lot better, and a student's popularity isn't determined by their interests/clubs/hobbies anymore.
WcCannons ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:26:52 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm 30 and I was one of the jocks that hung out with whoever. 3 sports and about 100 max level characters.
Practice after school every day, go home and grind levels in Secret of Evermore, then FF7, then D2.
Khayrian ยท 28 points ยท Posted at 14:18:43 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Get off my lawn and let us old folks hate people! We're good at it.
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cucufag ยท 154 points ยท Posted at 14:31:30 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You know what other stereotype drives me nuts?
The whole "You guys will be working for me when we're older" nonsense. No, they're gonna join the military or go to college or learn a trade or something and live a nice life and completely forget about you.
stopf1ndingme ยท 35 points ยท Posted at 14:52:46 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Or they might even be your boss.
AadeeMoien ยท 24 points ยท Posted at 16:48:23 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The good looking, personable, athlete with a scholarship to a good University and the drive to join social organizations? Why would he be my boss?!
Skissored ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:14:39 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I knew a guy that said that and he was an outcast even in the "outcast" group. He would always get irrationally angry, like Dragonball style. Fists and jaw clenched, stomped a foot and pointed dramatically. Dude thought he was in an anime. He would tell people they will be working for him and they really aren't. Last I've heard he's had multiple unstable relationships, creates all kinds of problems for his roommates (moving in and out of his parents place every other month) and works at Walmart.
cucufag ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:26:20 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Poor guy probably missed his chance to become an anime protagonist. He wasn't the chosen one, he didn't run in to a girl with toast in her mouth, there were no alien invasion, and he was just a few years too early to be trapped in a virtual reality video game.
kinyutaka ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:09:07 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That stereotype was put out by the rise in hotshot kids in business. Gates, Zuckerberg, Jobs... Smart kids who started with nothing but their brains and made a fortune... The less social smart kids for a while idolized them, and assumed that their brains would be enough to make them the winners.
Doobledump ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:39:52 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Unless they go into the military and the other kid becomes the president.
Forkyou ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:55:07 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ah its this weird black white seeing in media. If you are popular you are sporty but dumb and if you are not popular you are smart. It is entirely possible to be popular, sporty and smart while it is also pretty possible to be unpopular unathletic and dumb.
Estridde ยท 29 points ยท Posted at 14:30:35 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Meanwhile, I graduated nearly a decade ago and face the completely stereotypical high school drama. I had rocks pitched at me, people would dump trash on my head, and people often even yelled 'fucking nerds!' or less kind and now extremely un-PC things at my social group. The bulling at my high school was very out of control. One girl I recall was bullied much worse than I ever was. She ended up switching schools after someone attacked her in the bathroom and broke her front teeth on a toilet.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:26:09 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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Estridde ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:52:56 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I just graduated debt-free with my MFA and have a job interview on Thursday for an amazing job. I'm quite happy with how things turned out.
annul ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:49:52 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
and her name was moaning myrtle
[deleted] ยท -12 points ยท Posted at 14:37:57 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
shouldn't it say P-inC ?
KamuiT ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 14:54:32 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hell, I was the kid in high school that looked very young, was nerdy, and not great with the social skills, but because I was actually nice to people, I was generally liked. I had the entire football team pretty much tell me "Anyone messes with you, you just let us know." That was a nice feeling to have. I've never really seen the Football Jock, but I also went to the "Black School" as a white kid.
-ILikePie- ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:28:40 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
I changed highschools a few times, and moved in the middle of middle/highschool, so i saw it in several differnet evirmonets, with differnet kids, and different trends etc. 2 christian college prep schools with very different staff, teaching, and student bodies, 1 psych ward/school/behavioral health place, 1 .. rather unique alternative school, and most of the kids in my neighborhodd/my friends went to the two huge area public school.
When I went to highschools with "jocks" (I've always been athletic as well but I fell more into the weirdo/stoner category) the nice, polite 'not popular' kids, the special needs kids, nerds etc. got the same treatment you describe. The stereotypical angry petty neckbeard types, the narcs, the judgmental self rightous religious weirdos (not like chill people that have a religion ) were the ones no one wanted to hang out with or invite to stuff and sometimes gave them shit because highschool. Even when I was at my main highschool that didn't have an athletic program, the same thing applied with the popular/not popular people.
Generally it had nothing to do with hobbies etc. I worked out at lunch and play lots of video games, some of them weighed in at 350+ and friendly frat types and we had like heart of gold ghetto kids and stuff. Anyway, popular, not popular, etc. always had to do with who was chill, down to smoke, wouldn't pick fights or start shit, would be kind to special needs kids and ignore anything to do with each other's parents tax bracket, wouldn't be bitchy to the teen mom in the group and accepting taking turns with the little one if we were gonna hang out at her house***, that kind of thing.
It was never even entirely a having social skills and being outgoing thing nearly so much as it was a Not Being A Dick and being able to take a joke, be chill, and mind your own bussiness, and most importantly, having good hygiene kind of thing.
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*** due to circumstances with the moms life (she was working her ass off though. We may not have been tight or agreed on everything, but mad props) and the way the alt school was like family, we all joked that the baby was our school mascot and helped the mom out and stuff.
KamuiT ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:02:53 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, this is pretty much it. I've found this to be the only reason(s) people would cast someone out. Negativity just repulses people, so it's to be expected that no one would want to be around you.
Mr_Walter_Sobchak ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:12:41 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What my hs experience was awful and had all of the tropes you mentioned. I was very happy to get to college.
tacknosaddle ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:39:57 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
As I said above, in my experience it didn't really happen back then either but it was a story in a lot of movies or tv shows about high school.
superfudge73 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:17:43 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
We had a transgender homecoming queen at the school I work at. Not only did a transgendered student run for homecoming queen but she won! As someone who graduated from high school in the 90's this blew my mind (in a good way).
CakeBoss16 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 14:43:41 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well nerds is cool now.
DomesticChaos ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:37:15 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I always smh at the stereotypical portrayal of popular kids, because in my high school, the smart band kids were the top of the heap. They all studied together. Mind you, we didn't have a strong athletic presence, so that could be why. No football/basketball that the school could build its identity around.
It'd be an interesting sociology study.
cucufag ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:41:49 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Marching bands became really competitive when I was in highschool. Everyone in school loved them. Might've been just our school though because ours kept winning and went to regionals.
DomesticChaos ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:47:33 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No one's more popular than winners, no matter what Glee tried to say!
PhillipTheSutton ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:51:23 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No doubt. I graduated in 2002, and it was like that at my school. I was in multiple groups. Relatively popular in the skater/punk/music scene, but still ran with the nerdy kids, and the artsy kids too.
With a few exceptions, most kids weren't that judgey. If you liked the same stuff and they liked you, it wasn't a big thing. I grew up in a military family and transferred in though, so sadly I never made the long lasting bonds I see among the ones that grew up together though.
College is different because mostly everyone is starting from the same point on the same time table (might not be true at smaller localized schools).
geodebug ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:15:07 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
In Texas a lot of schools are still very football oriented. Even near more liberal Austin.
Glad we moved north before my kids reached high school.
CasualFridayBatman ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:31:06 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Completely agreed.
'Girls don't like me!'
'Have you tried talking to them instead of idolizing them?'
'No...'
'Ok, well start with that and go from there'
To many people want to bitch instead of change because bitching is easy and you can get sympathy.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:33:37 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I graduated from HS in 1997, so I remember the old concept (Football Jocks slamming geeks into lockers, etc.) It was real, and it wasn't too much fun (and I wasn't even a social outcast or anything.... I actually did alright in those years.)
However, after finishing grad school I began doing some private music teaching in high schools. To my surprise - in only ten years - the new concept that you describe had really taken hold, and it was amazing to see.
High School seems a lot less tense and rigid these days, with a wider variety of kids getting to shine at their various strengths. (Not even to mention the sea change in treatment of LGBT youth, which has been mind-bogglingly quick.)
That being said, it's not all better... the much increased presence of law enforcement in schools these days is troubling to me... but that's another discussion for another time and place.
dharp95 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:47:00 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Extremely well put
howdareyou ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:18:27 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I see groups of HS kids near my office a lot... they all look like the "cool kids" except they are wearing PJs with socks and flip flops.
times have changed.
altiuscitiusfortius ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 15:09:41 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Plus being gay. I think it was on the Mindy Project, where she was trying to mentor some kid, and he was gay, and she was "omg, you must be being bullied. Its okay. It gets better", and he was all like, "bitch please, im the most awesome kid there" and it cuts to him walking the halls with his friends and the football captain hitting on him.
cucufag ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 15:20:40 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Gay acceptance still seems to be a state by state basis. Being gay is like the coolest thing ever in a certain state and you'll still be bullied in others.
[deleted] ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 14:27:23 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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theg33k ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:45:07 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't think it was the internet that brought everyone together at all. There was a huge culture shift in school administrations across the country after Columbine. It really opened up everyone's eyes to the kinds of damage that results from allowing bullying and other abuse to continue in schools. Once we really dropped the hammer on the bad actors things seemed to improve for most kids.
finest_bear ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 15:09:52 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's definitely not as prevalent today, but I can definitely speak from experience and say when I was in HS from 04-08, it was absolutely like that.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:22:21 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The nineties were still wearing off at that time.
listen- ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:18:43 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Blowing my mind right here. No way that's true. (in my 30s, sat at the magic table in high school)
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:37:19 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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teen_dad ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:52:19 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Why don't you hang with people outside of your ethnicity?
ladyxdi ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:56:58 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I was a teen in the 90's and our school wasn't here for assholes and bullies. You were on the prom and homecoming courts because people liked you since you were a good person. I wore dumb jncos, stretched my ears and listened to RATM.
Higgy24 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:21:00 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah I'm 27, graduated high school in '07, and from my perspective, there wasn't a set group of "popular kids". I mean, there were the rich kids who were in all AP classes and threw parties, I guess they'd be "popular", and then there were the athletes, especially football, because that was big in our school, but there wasn't really any rivalry or school-wide bullying. I mean for example, I was on the cheerleading team but also in Earth club and the gay-straight alliance. I took a ton of AP classes and spent my free period in my physics teacher's classroom. I never felt forced to be in a certain clique. Of course every school is different, but it really is over-dramatized on TV.
griffinhamilton ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:22:04 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Reminds me of me in high school: baseball/football player, marching/concert band member for 4 years, played hacky sack with the nerdy guys at lunch. It helped that I was nice to mostly everyone who was nice to me and I talked to them where as most wouldn't risk their "reputation" to hang out with those "nerds" or be in band with a good amount of unsociable people. My dad always said its better to be known by many different types of people than to be known as a popular jock because odds are those nerds in band or playing hacky sack might be your boss one day.
Stupidconspiracies ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:22:09 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Just don't believe things that the collective disagrees with.
TonyBooya ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:31:02 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm in my 30's, and I don't remember any of my football teammates shoving nerds around at our school. That shit wouldn't have sat well with our coaches and teachers. The reputation of the team was pretty big in our community.
Yea we had cliques and tables you just didn't sit with because of commonality, but that's about it.
S1mplejax ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:31:03 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm a few years out of hs and grew up in a traditional white Texas football town where you might expect that stuff to happen, and I agree completely. Hell, half of the kids in the top 10% of my class started in some sport, and the popular kids went out of their way to be nice guys. I think traditional high school culture is pretty outdated, and physical bullying seems to only be done by the unpopular pissed off kids with no friends anyway.
tacknosaddle ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:38:03 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
In my experience it didn't really happen back then either, it's always been more of a trope of fiction than fact.
Funny story, I worked with a kid who graduated high school during the 90s in Texas. He was an awesome guy and great to work with and happened to be an absolutely flaming homosexual. I remember talking to him one time and asking him if it was tough for him in high school because of his flamboyance.
His answer surprised me. He said that he had no problems because if any of the burnouts or cowboys tried to give him shit he was always protected by the members of the football team. It turns out that he was one of the male members of the cheerleading squad and so the football players took it upon themselves to protect him as part of the team. I was pretty happy to hear that story.
piranhas_really ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:41:23 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Wow you guys are so lucky - that sounds like a lot more positive environment.
Mobileswede ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:41:26 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Letter jackets. And I'm from Sweden, where high schools don't issue such apparel.
cucufag ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:48:28 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Same thing mannn, the letter jackets are made of leather.
At least, ours was. It was mostly worn by band kids though, since that got you a ton of patches to iron on.
Rashaverak ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:44:58 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Depending on where you grew up it was already like that in the late nineties in high school. The change in culture spread out from the pacific north west and California as silicon valley had been making rockstars out of nerds since the 80's.
I think what OP is talking about is more about individuals fresh out of high school who have been coasting on their social skills and wind up in a job where that doesn't carry them as far. They can't charm their way out of not knowing a process critical to their continued employment. They are forced to knuckle down and adapt.
In my work I see several fresh faced uni grads every year, many with masters, about to discover that their GPA and reference letters from their favourite professors count for dick. When you watch someone slam into a wall they didn't expect or prepare for it's enjoyable to remember that you've been there and mounted the wall already. Like you're watching a chick struggle out of his tiny shell, it's the hardest thing they've ever faced and to you it's a Monday.
Character building starts in school, but it's galvanized in the furnace of the private workforce.
pockpicketG ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:45:13 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Standardized testing knocked that shit out of them right quick!
thfc11189 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:56:48 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He's got a point. We just hired a cheerleader whose 18. She volunteered to work weekends and she's very knowledgeable. And apparently going to medical school so she's very useful in our pharmacy
thunder00135 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:57:16 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm in highschool and I can confirm this
PatrickBowers1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:59:33 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Thank you!! This is a million percent all my money a million dollars percent accurate!
btribble ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:06:55 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think you'll find that this crap is still alive and well, just less pervasive. You're more likely to see it in wealthy communities where money and looks are very important and being having power over others is ingrained in families for generations.
You'll also find in in smaller rural communities where there are long established power structures. For example, the kid who's dad owns a large part of town, etc.
fritopie ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:08:15 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yup. We had cheerleaders who were also in band... so like at football games, they would go cheer, then run over at half time and grab their instrument and go out on the field and march for the half time show. And then there were band kids on homecoming court. And kids who did nothing extracurricular-wise on homecoming court... as well as the usual suspects from the dance team/cheerleaders/football players/baseball players/etc. Also pretty sure we didn't do prom king & queen... There were definitely the rich stuck up snobby cliques and the druggies and the goth type kids and the super nerdy ones, but there were far more kids that mixed and mingled in different groups in between those two extremes. I graduated in 2007.
MsCrane ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:09:23 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm 30 and honestly that shit was nonexistent when I was in high school. Everyone was basically pretty decent to each other regardless of social group. There were cliques but they didn't have some alpha/beta pecking order thing going on with other cliques. The people who got teased/bullied were the extremely awkward social outcasts who barely had any friends at all... Like so awkward even the awkward nerds thought they were weird.
ncopp ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:16:14 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ya it was more you get along if your personalities clicked, there was no real bullying I ever saw, it was more of if you're super weird (like the scene and emo kids) people just tended to keep their distance from them and not really talk to them, or else you risk super awkward or weird conversations that no one really wanted to deal with
Shloppins ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:29:57 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Seriously.
I think the girls still have their cliques though. Guys? We've just given up giving a fuck. Life is too short to be an asshole. I remember a few of our friends used to kick the shit out of guys we heard were bullying quieter people.
cucufag ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:33:12 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
pls no bully the bully
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:32:53 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I graduated high school last year and the popular kids were usually really smart. They were in ASB, they played sports and had good GPA's. You're right, all that matters is how sociable you are. Being a jock meathead doesn't automatically make you popular anymore.
The2500 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:33:57 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
God damn. I grew up in the aforementioned generation and I partially attribute my current social anxiety to it. The better, rational part of me says to be glad that's not the case any longer, but my id is telling me that someone needs to die in order to correct this injustice.
ghostpoopftw ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:39:46 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This is really accurate, I kind of graduated during the transition/ beginning of the more modern era that you're describing. And it truly has become that popularity often manifests itself in the people who are confident, outgoing, and positive rather than just the jocks and cheerleaders etc.
blacy0520 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:54:59 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
For me it was kinda close to that. Graduated in '10 and I played on the varsity hockey team AND was a computer geek/nerd: star wars, lotr, etc.
I wasn't even that popular. Most of the popular kids 6 years ago at my school were the eventual fuckups with either dysfunctional parents or problems with looking like they gave a shit.... And I graduated in one of the richest counties in the US..
jkhockey15 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:55:45 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Graduated in 2014 and his could not be more true. I went into high school thinking there would be cliques exclusive groups but there wasn't. I played two of our biggest sports on HS and had plenty of friends but in no way could I describe it as popular. People were just friends with whomever it didn't matter really. Oh and btw my school was about 1250 students to give a little reference.
CentaurOfDoom ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:03:00 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
As a highschooler right now, this is tooootally accurate. The most popular kids in my school either play Smash, League, or random crap games on a Wii we smuggled in and found a teacher cool enough to let us use her projector.
harrysmokesblunts ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:12:20 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Looking back on high school (junior in college now) the kids who played sports were easily more likely to be popular. Still possible without playing sports but much harder.
Daffypls ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:17:53 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's true nowadays. The "popular kids" from my high school were just a bunch of different kids that were fine in general. Some were annoying as shit and unlikable, but in general everyone liked everyone in my high school and bullying wasn't a real issue unless you tried to make it one.
gofastdsm ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:18:10 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I graduated from one of the cliquiest high schools in my area under 10 years ago and this was my experience as well. Honestly /u/LightsOutLou isn't too far off base with the 21 Jump Street reference. The popular kids were usually very involved, both socially and academically. It wasn't seen as "cool" to slack in school or bully other people.
Overall it was nothing like I was expecting, in a great way.
StealthyOwl ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:18:41 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't know what school you are talking about, but I would have liked to go there. Recently graduated and it is nothing like this.
AllHighAustin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:21:42 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
As a 20 year old it is definitely not out this is how people acted when I was still in school it never changes assholes always exist.
buddyw ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:22:41 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm 34 and this was the case when I was in highschool 96-00.
Edit: Just to clarify, my HS was not stereotypical, anyone could be cool, etc.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:29:57 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
In my school at least I guess there is "popularity", but no one including popular kids themselves really give a shit. People just hang with their own friends and don't go out of their way to bully and shove around some random kid because of how he looks or whatever. If the starting QB for Varsity football were to just throw a random kids at lockers for being a nerd the whole school would be pissed at him and he'd probably be taken off the team.
Noodledood ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:30:11 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Sums up my highschool perfectly. A lot of the varsity athletes picked up magic because it passed the time on bus rides and lunch was more interesting .
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:32:20 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What you're not realizing is nowadays there really aren't "popular kids."
Sybre ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:36:54 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Long story short, a bud that I played football with in elementary school, I met again in highschool band orientation. Me and him became friends again and we had a bunch of similar interests like playing trombone, D&D, magic the gathering, gaming etc etc. We became even better friends over marching band camp which was before highschool. When the first day of highschool rolled around I met up with him and his huge group of popular kids. I wasn't aware that this kid was this cool, but I did realize that being popular just means you're an outgoing person that can just socialize well with others. Later that day I met the popular assholes also. Turns out being popular just means you're known in school, odds are you were popular as well, but just for different reasons.
Auctoritate ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:47:37 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
There is a clear divide between 'normal' and, for instance, 'nerdy' groups though.
losian ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:49:30 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
To be fair I don't know that it's quite accurate to say all the friendless are completely that way because of purely their own fault. The clique nature of school plus any number of other issues could easily contribute plentifully as much as it just being their fault entirely.
Michamus ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:07:56 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hell, these people would be surprised to find out they're likely the same person.
Mises2Peaces ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:11:15 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm 32 and this is how my highschool was. I was in the strategy gaming club and I played magic the gathering with our football star receiver. Lots of similar stories like that.
Except the cheerleaders. They were a Mean Girls clique.
vouuxx ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:13:47 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The Prom King at my high school was a guy who loved his AP Government class more than anything and now plays in a band at a local coffee house while going to college to study philosophy.
The Prom Queen was his girlfriend, a huge fan of Harry Potter who was into doing graphic design and joined a Quidditch team when she went to college.
They were pretty nice. Sometimes I still even comment on their Facebook posts.
Trololo76 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:18:21 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Can confirm, I was District O-Line MVP, hung out in the band hall to play the snare drums, played magic with the awkward kids, but at the same time 85% of the school liked me. It's all about who you connect with
kepners ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:41:01 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Certainly cool kids today are Instagram and vine fuckers.
Upward_Spiral ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:42:41 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This is so true. I watched Angus with my teenage brother-in-law and he kept commenting on how unrealistic the bullying was, but also asked if this is how high school used to be.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:19:35 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
as someone who isn't far removed from highschool just yet, I think you're overestimating this. From my experience MTG is still very "weird" and very "nerdy". No one with real school-wide popularity would be playing MTG, let's say.
(this could be different at other schools I guess, though)
Virkreo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:56:29 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
freaks and geeks
TheQueefer ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:12:29 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Are you saying you can name all the original pokemon? Theres like 120, holy shit
cucufag ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:43:45 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
151, and I think I can actually go like 700 out of 721 on the current total pokemons but I played competitively for a few years so I know it a lot more than the average person.
i_make_drugs ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:17:04 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm 27 and I was the jock that played magic the gathering during some lunches.
PedroAlvarez ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:33:32 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
There was a popular kid in my high school who was butt ugly and didn't play any sports. I have no idea why he was popular. Maybe for being a dickhead. Fuck you, Derek.
mrjosemeehan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:49:02 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Most popular kid in my little sister's graduating class year before last was a gay male cheerleader. She dated his brother and I got to know him fairly well. As far as I can tell, he never dealt with bullying for his sexual orientation or choice of sport. Just universally loved and accepted by every clique.
superfudge73 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:05:44 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
At the school I work in the popular kids are the ones who are involved in ASB or whatever your school calls the kids who work to organize pep rallys and prom and shit like that. It's cool now to have "school spirit" something as a Gen Xer I find repulsive and could never imagine myself doing when I was in high school. Even when I first started teaching in 2001, the ASB kids were only high achievers who wanted to beef up their resumes. Now it's the thing to do.
Prison_Vape ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:44:08 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Look, just because I played Magic at school, and now play Magic at work doesn't mean I get along with anybody.
I mean, I get along with everyone and the kids at work consider me the "cool staff" but still!
hoseja ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:14:44 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Shunning outcasts: now scientifically supported, it's actually their choice to be unpopular!
Golden-StateOfMind ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:15:04 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't know, I graduated in 2011 and I was victim to some mild teasing to having outright awful rumors spread about me. I mean, I'm a pretty average person and I was awkward. The weird kid that like their teachers and does drama. By the end of senior year all of that was different.
fwaming_dragon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:48:06 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Just using the phrase 'nerd' as a derogatory term these days usually shows that someone is fairly out of touch.
douchecanoe42069 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:42:34 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Autism REPRESENT!
cucufag ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:46:08 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Interestingly one year we had a kid with relatively low functioning autism win prom queen.
douchecanoe42069 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:54:58 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
that's pretty cool, i wonder how shes doing.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:57:11 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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cucufag ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:19:32 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Woah, I've never once seen a economic class divide in highschool before. That's fascinating.
ashli143 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:01:38 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm 32 and this is how it was when I was growing up also, this is not something that is new to only your generation. Movies and articles exaggerate.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 14:28:09 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
IDK man my high school popularity coincided perfectly with when I stopped playing Magic at lunch.
Hashslingingslashar ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:31:20 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Some things never change
curt_schilli ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 14:32:10 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Playing Magic at lunch probably has a direct correlation with a lack of sociability lol
FaZaCon ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 14:31:37 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Found the oblivious nerd.
tionanny ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:35:55 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
In my 40`s. High school culture has not changed. Hollywood depictions just take the easy way out. Plus the older I get, the more I've noticed people "remembering " high school the way they see it in movies or on TV. Memory is a mallable thing. I was in the Latin club and played football. People are complex. Stories keep it simple.
SilverSheriff ยท 318 points ยท Posted at 14:02:11 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
At 38 you shouldn't even be able to distinguish the cool kids from the nerds. They are all just dumb kids to me at his point.
[deleted] ยท 67 points ยท Posted at 16:23:20 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I was hiring 16/17 year olds a few summers ago, and yeah, they're all kinda dumb and annoying.
antsugi ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:30:14 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Was 16/17 a few summers ago, was stupid
Still am, I just don't give it away until I speak
dman-no-one ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:38:09 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
;__;
Not all of us!
To the best of my knowledge.
Open_Thinker ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:21:37 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You're right. That guy above was just being sarcastic or salty.
elpaisita1 ยท -10 points ยท Posted at 17:46:15 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Most kids 16/17 are fairly annoying.
source: am 17 and hate everyone.
twenny1 ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 18:52:32 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ok neckbeard.
[deleted] ยท -13 points ยท Posted at 18:58:53 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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twenny1 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:20:35 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
A) Trading amiibos isn't a neckbeard hobby. B) I haven't traded amiibo in months C) Why did you look at my post history lmfao
DerpyPyroknight ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 19:08:26 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Lol edgy
Tonka_Tuff ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:58:42 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Look everybody, a 17 year old who hates everyone! How rare!
It's justifiable though, all of their peers are so stupid and immature, not like them though, as bitter misanthropy is a sure sign of maturity.
Orthas ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:34:39 on June 1, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I prefer to give him a pass. We were all tools at that age.
superfudge73 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:18:30 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
With their snapchats and what not.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 17:34:14 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This is very true. I just spent the weekend with my wife's younger brother. He's 18 and although he's super popular, really good at baseball and an all around good guy, his immaturity really showed once we got on the golf course.
nightmareuki ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:09:56 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
im 27 and 18 year olds seem bumb/immature to me
Atomismic ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:31:26 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
At 38 you shouldn't still be thinking about who the popular kids in High school are. It's pathetic.
Darxe ยท 117 points ยท Posted at 11:46:29 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Do popular kids make dank memes?
[deleted] ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 12:29:20 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You do even dank bro?
ThatsMyHoverboard ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 12:31:03 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Can you even purge the Pepe bro?
GlowdUp ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 13:31:17 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
How many Lamborghini in your Lamborghini account tho?
TheM1ghtyCondor ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 13:59:47 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Depends on how much KNAWLEDGE you have
JDRaitt ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:19:13 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You're my favorite customer.
WWIflyingace62 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:27:10 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You must have enough fuel units
ThatDrunkenScot ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:45:23 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
YOU MUST CONSTRUCT ADDITIONAL PYLONS
ThatsMyHoverboard ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 12:26:20 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Alpha > Beta
goodgravybatman ยท 64 points ยท Posted at 14:05:48 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Alpha<Meta
BiologicalWizard ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:23:03 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Enjoy sir, you've earned this.
superfudge73 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:20:37 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My third period AP students are obsessed with a frog riding a unicycle named "dat boi". According to them "dat boi" is a "hella dank" meme. As a 40 year old I'm trying to understand this but it's difficult.
moststonedredditor ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:54:14 on June 1, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
O shit waddup
Moikle ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:32:18 on June 1, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Or do dank memes make popular kids?
frogbrigade ยท 48 points ยท Posted at 14:45:28 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
As a 28 year old attempting to be trained as a summer new hire:
I wish to remain unknown and unpopular. Just like in high school.
Player8 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 18:12:36 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ah the old "you can't fire me if you're not even sure what I do" approach. My personal favorite.
frogbrigade ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:12:11 on June 1, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Nah, more like "I'm satisfied with my social life and would rather attempt to advance my education instead of making another batch of new friends." Your on the right track though, that's not a bad approach if you can get away with it.
emoposer ยท 406 points ยท Posted at 11:56:01 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
How can you expect me to pick up garbage?!? I was freaking Prom Queen!
[deleted] ยท 243 points ยท Posted at 12:30:26 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And while you're out there you can toss out that attitude.
HotTyre ยท 267 points ยท Posted at 13:43:25 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Sorry, non-native speaker here, is this a synonym for "salad"?
EDIT: while it's true I'm not a native speaker, I confess that I only did it to set up someone for a rimming punchline, but it wouldn't come even after a couple discussion levels. You guys amaze me sometimes.
spoonsforeggs ยท 98 points ยท Posted at 13:48:00 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No....
32BitWhore ยท 138 points ยท Posted at 14:08:31 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not with that salad
HotTyre ยท 71 points ยท Posted at 13:49:37 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ok, thank you.
Steenies ยท 31 points ยท Posted at 13:54:55 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Since that didn't really explain much, toss is synonym for throw. You toss a salad because you throw it in the air to mix the parts together. You can also toss out rubbish, or toss a ball, or have something hinge on the toss of a coin. You can be called a tosser, but that's slang for masturbation and for being a jerk.
[deleted] ยท 27 points ยท Posted at 14:09:30 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And here I am thinking he's trying to make a dirty joke about rimjobs.
HotTyre ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 14:15:21 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well, I'm truly not a native speaker but yeah I kinda tried setting it up for him but he would not fall for it
Takes a lot of patience and self-restraint, well played from him I guess
jbw976 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:39:37 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
that joke would have worked perfectly and everyone would have understood it right away if the original sentence had just "toss" instead of "toss out". that "out" changes everything. kudos for trying humor in your non native language though!
HotTyre ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:36:14 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, the "out" messed it up, but I like messy things. Sometimes you just have to try, and someone smarter can jump in and take it from there. Didn't happen this time, next one will be better
I promess
VeryGoodKarma ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 13:59:19 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
A long long time ago, salad was a euphemism for a young person's bad attitude. Maybe their dictionary has that archaic definition?
procupine14 ยท 37 points ยท Posted at 14:05:49 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The term tossing a salad has really come a long way over the years I take it.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 13:59:06 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hey, you're alright.
Steenies ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:48:53 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I am warmed by your drive by commendation.
AadeeMoien ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:38:01 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Toss of a coin? I've only ever heard it as Flip.
Steenies ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:34:50 on June 1, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Coin flipping, coin tossing, or heads or tails is the practice of throwing a coin in the air to choose between two alternatives, sometimes to resolve a dispute between two parties. It is a form of sortition which inherently has only two possible and equally likely outcomes.
Wikipedia
I'm sure you believed me but I thought I'd back myself up (not give myself constipation, that's another sort of backing up)
HotTyre ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:13:17 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I honestly only knew of the "urban" meaning before this one.
Albertan11 ยท 33 points ยท Posted at 14:16:54 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Finally, some non native speaker of English who doesn't sound like a narrator for a BBC Nature Documentary.
Edit: Fuck non native speaker being able to speak English so well they can set up punchlines.
HotTyre ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 14:21:59 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I recently watched the BBC "Planet Earth" series with my girlfriend, and our favourite game was pausing it as the subtitles appear and trying to make the best impersonation of the guy before listening to it.
I'm sure this little game is even funnier while smoking pot, but how would I know, I don't smoke pot
madareklaw ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 14:19:41 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Almost
altiuscitiusfortius ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:10:59 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's because you were reaching. Hard. Just reaching around, trying to make something happen.
AadeeMoien ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:39:00 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
At least he's got that level of decency.
HotTyre ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:34:28 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Is... this a metaphor for my love life?
KageUnui ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:38:16 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Thats ok. Even before reading the edit I got the joke you were making. Good one.
MyFirstOtherAccount ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:50:28 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not sure if I know what you were going for but toss your salad is very different from toss OUT your salad
HotTyre ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:36:20 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yes
franklloydwrong ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:53:43 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I fucking love you
HotTyre ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:36:31 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Me too
timberwolf3 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 13:49:24 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
As a native speaker, no
Topochicho ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:02:09 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well mate, I think the problem here is that you nailed the joke yourself. Some jokes are just better if you don't spell it out explicitly. More people are likely to miss the joke , but those who get it will appreciate it more.
HotTyre ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:34:06 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You are correct. Sometimes you just take the leap even if it's far, and the take-off is slippery
HotTyre ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:37:26 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, but you never know, this is Reddit, things often take an unsuspected twist
ithinkmynameismoose ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:30:33 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What?
That's stupid. You're stupid.
HotTyre ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:35:02 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yes
Wait, that wasn't an open question?
Wootai ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 14:33:49 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Non-native speaker doesn't know what 'attitude' means, but knows what 'synonym' does.
dank_memeologist_420 ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 14:32:27 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
holy cringe you may know what attitude means but please trust me, your english is terrible.
madogvelkor ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 14:26:32 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I worked with people like this. Except they weren't prom queens, they were just girls who didn't want to clean up dirty things.
BlacknOrangeZ ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:51:33 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Remind them that their employer doesn't want to pay them either, but that's the deal.
Nobody likes cleaning up dirty things, but everyone has their price.
CharlieBaumhauser ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:38:40 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My mother was prom queen in '71, my cousin - prom queen in '82, and my sister would have been prom queen in '94 if it wasn't for that scam on the Conway Bed tour bus, okay? I am a goddamn legacy, all right?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:39:30 on June 1, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Pick up that can!
[deleted] ยท 250 points ยท Posted at 12:45:33 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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auntieBea ยท 84 points ยท Posted at 13:03:15 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm a 44 y/o......we need friends too.
phoenix781 ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 13:48:10 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
what kind of things do you like?
Callmebobbyorbooby ยท 32 points ยท Posted at 13:51:10 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Balls. I like balls.
[deleted] ยท 62 points ยท Posted at 13:53:27 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 15:52:45 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Perfect. I need a sample for my hydroolic press.
auntieBea ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:25:16 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Only is they're on my chin!!! Lol /s
drfarren ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:35:45 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
K! He's a ballchinian!
auntieBea ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 14:52:43 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm a she.....
drfarren ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:55:58 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
MIB reference
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:00:20 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
awkward....
polerix ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:30:21 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Benoit
auntieBea ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 13:56:58 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Cats and Reddit. I'm divorced, no kids, I play cards, go to Barnes and Noble, pretty open. Don't really have any hobbies: I babysit for entertainment and extra $$$
-SagaQ- ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 14:18:11 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What do you do for work?
auntieBea ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 14:21:36 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I was in a head on car accident and shattered both ankles and broke my forearm/elbow, concussion, etc. I'm on permanent disability . Before that I worked at a bank for 10years, loan processing Dept.
auntieBea ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:21:54 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Accident was in 2009.
-SagaQ- ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:30:16 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm sorry to hear that. Definitely doesn't sound pleasant. How did you like working loan processing? I've always thought it would be kind of relaxing.
auntieBea ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:36:39 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It was!!!! I put info into the computer and it did most of the work. It was kinda mindless at times, but I enjoyed it. I could act like a jackass and work at the same time.lol My boss would tell me to pipe down because I was distracting my co-workers. Good times!!
-SagaQ- ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:01:03 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Niiiiice. I'm envious. That sort of job sounds like something I'd enjoy.
auntieBea ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:09:37 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, it was fun. I like making numbers "work"
-SagaQ- ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:15:55 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Me too!! :) we got a new girl at work that I've been training and she looked at how I manage everything and goes, "Do you have a bookkeeping or accounting background....?"
Best compliment ever.
I hate waiting until the end of the day to process all the numbers.. So why not create a system that ends up pooping all of them out at the end of the day? Yes. Yes Yes. Much like.
auntieBea ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:34:28 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Does this mean you have a brain like mine?!?! I love it. lol I love when people compliment me like that too. It's all about balancing at the end of the day.
-SagaQ- ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:07:10 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yes!! I <3 spreadsheets and balanced numbers so hard
auntieBea ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:18:37 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You're starting to turn me on, please calm down!!!!
-SagaQ- ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:26:54 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ha! If only more people felt that way xD
auntieBea ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:30:01 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Awe!! Just have to figure out what makes a person tick.
redditbattles ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:31:04 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Dude, that sucks.
auntieBea ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:34:43 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, thankfully I am walking now, but it's slow and painful if I do too much.
dieselxindustry ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:17:21 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What kind of monthly income does that leave you with? Does it have to match atleast what you were making before the accident?
auntieBea ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:12:30 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It leaves me with about half of what I was making before the accident. There's a formula used that determines how much you put into social security since I first started working. It was a drunk driver that hit us head on, on the freeway. Lawyer said I could sue him and get $$$, but, he was 74 years old. I couldn't touch his income because of it being social security. He had no assets, lived in an apartment. Can't get blood from a turnip.
dieselxindustry ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:57:46 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Horrible situation, really is. But thank you for the info. What was his outcome after the accident?
auntieBea ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:27:33 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You're welcome. He had an open head injury and broken bones. He ended up going to jail for 9months. Unfortunately, because of blood loss, his alcohol level was .07, that's considered impaired, .08 is considered intoxicated here in Michigan. It was his first offense, so I'm glad he got jail time and not probation. I mean, I'm not "glad" but satisfied is a better word. I've gone to therapy and worked through a lot of the mental/emotional anger, being bitter and mad won't hurt him, but will hurt me in the long run. It's more occasionally I truly get upset about it. Talking about it helps. I do have some PTSD at times while driving at night. Some claustrophobia issues I didn't have before. I was the passenger, my ankles were trapped under the glove box. Had to wait for extraction. It was scary, praying the cars didn't catch fire, etc. But overall, I'm doing ok. Thanks for listening.
dieselxindustry ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:36:52 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well at least there was some repercussions to the offender. Did he have insurance? I assume if so they are on the hook for your medical etc? If not, does Michigan have the uninsured motorist fund to make a claim against?
auntieBea ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:10:00 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, I was glad he did too. 74 or not, he needed to have accountability for his actions. Yes, Michigan is a No Fault state, my auto insurance covers me, then sues his auto company. I'm out of the loop on that stuff though. But my medical from the accident are covered for life, yes. I've had to get my right ankle fused in 2014, so I was not able to walk for 4 months after that, then more therapy. It was 11 months after accident until I got back home. It's been a roller coaster ride. But I'd rather be going through this than be a vegetable and/or not able to walk at all.
DiscoLollipop ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 14:21:22 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I like cats and Reddit too! Im divorced with a kid and used to play MTG. I have no friends, wanna be friends?!
auntieBea ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:26:35 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, I'll be your friend, for sure.
soulstealer1984 ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 13:51:53 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm 32 with 4 kids and no friends...You wanna hang out?
auntieBea ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 13:58:14 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Sure!! I'm in Michigan, are you close? No kids of my own, but as my name states, I'm an aunt to my friends kids.
ZomNomNomBeeZ ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 14:21:52 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm in Michigan. Wanna go for a boat ride? It's gorgeous outside.
auntieBea ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:24:18 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Sure!!! I'm a Ginger, just please assist with lots of sunscreen. It's been gorgeous for the last few days. Love it. Starting to make up for the cold.
ZomNomNomBeeZ ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:53:35 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm about 80% sure we are done with snow for a while. Maybe 70%.
auntieBea ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:55:51 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
lol!! Right. Never know. What part of MI are you? I'm in Genesee Co.
Captian_Cocksmith ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:49:47 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Sold! Ill skip this afternoon work. Shall we meet at oxbow?
[deleted] ยท 37 points ยท Posted at 14:11:56 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
yes?
I'm 37, and all my friends, all of similar age, are on Reddit. It seems like most everyone in a technical job, who sits in front of a computer for 8 hours a day, is on Reddit.
glenomenon ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:31:23 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Need those brain breaks!
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 14:39:40 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Honestly, with /r/programming,/r/python, /r/docker, etc ... it's a good way to stay up on trends. When I start seeing everyone talking about a new technology, I know it's worth checking out.
Sure, there's a lot of garbage here, and I've unsubbed from a lot of it, but there's actual value here too.
Gabost8 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:45:20 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well now everything makes sense, everyone here is at work.
starmag99 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 14:01:22 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I see no problem here.
amontague ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 13:01:39 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Regex.
StoopKidAfraid2Leave ยท -8 points ยท Posted at 14:23:21 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hello fellow engineer! As an engineer myself, (graduated top-o-the class in engineering school) I agree, most of us are too intellectual and solve problems too fast for the little ones that they look at us engineers like we're crazy mad scientist or something (think Rick from Rick and Morty.) They realize they can't be an engineer like us and they end up doing some other program like business or C.E. (as I like to call them future-baristas) lolol
chevyboy777 ยท 193 points ยท Posted at 13:16:18 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Man I love this, I work on oil rigs and although it's been really slow lately, you still see new people all the time. We occasionally get those kids fresh out of high school that think their tough and want to earn hard cash, they usually last a week or maybe 3-4 days. There was one kid that came in and talked the biggest because he was a power lifter in high school, he said lifting was a piece of cake. The first day on location we had him throwing 2 1/2" pipe that came out of the well, they were like 80 something pipes, by the time we got done that kid's face looked priceless. And eventually he didn't show up the next day.
mrshmallow ยท 128 points ยท Posted at 13:45:19 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The funniest part of this is "eventually he didn't show up the next day." Don't know if it was intentional, but it makes it seem like it seemed like eternity for him, even though it was a single day.
kick6 ยท 80 points ยท Posted at 14:07:28 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I mean, eventually we all don't show up the next day. Either because we die or change jobs.
eccentrus ยท 23 points ยท Posted at 14:24:19 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
or you know, retirement
kick6 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 14:42:57 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I already listed death.
DoxasticPoo ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:54:26 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What's that?
Anthem40 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:13:57 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
retirement is extinct.
Redditpissesmeof ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 14:31:22 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Nahh
mdothier ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:25:26 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Who can afford to retire these days?
just_redditing ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:41:58 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not in this economy
Suyefuji ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:21:35 on June 1, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What's that?
StealthyOwl ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:23:29 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hahaha that's a good one
Unic0rnBac0n ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:33:50 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Do you not have sick days? damn man.
kick6 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:40:56 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
yea, but after I'm not sick, eventually I show back up.
mrshmallow ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:21:13 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well shit. That sounds tough
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 14:35:13 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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chevyboy777 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:23:08 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Specially when it's raining and cold, gotta love those days.
mrshmallow ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:21:28 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Props to you man
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:46:53 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
God I hate rigging in on a muddy pad.
Cyfen ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:03:48 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
In the oilfield it is not totally uncommon for a "days" work to go longer than 24 hours.
WutangCND ยท 69 points ยท Posted at 13:46:51 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Eventually, none of us show up the next day.
Valtieri ยท 23 points ยท Posted at 14:03:42 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Pfft, speak for yourself. I have a 100% success rate at showing up for something every single next day of my life, across a sample size of a little over 10,000. If science and statistics have taught me anything, it is that that figure is large enough to control for any outliers and I am functionally immortal.
Hatweed ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:57:19 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Too bad tomorrow is a random variable at best.
NiggyWiggyWoo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:20:05 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"On a long enough timeline, the survival rate for everyone drops to zero."
coaltrainman ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 14:21:23 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Went to high school with some similar guys. Went out to Alberta in Canada because they were tough and wanted to make great money in the oil fields. They lasted a couple weeks and couldn't do it anymore.
[deleted] ยท 23 points ยท Posted at 14:38:41 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Former Roughneck here.
I was once a kid who dropped out of college, moved to New Orleans from the North, and started working as a Roustabout on an all African American crew on a barge rig in the bayous of Louisiana. I failed the "eye test" for sure.
I guarantee my crew thought I was going to be one of those 3-4 day guys, but I kept my ego in check, put out as hard as I could, never complained, gave shit back respectfully, and eventually earned the respect of the crew in which I still call my brothers to this day. I remember how many 3-4 day tough guys that got run off before their new boots were even worked in. They always claimed to be ex army guys, weight lifters, MMA fighters, and all banged every girl in town but the stories always had holes in them. The guys that stuck knew how to pay their dues and not step on toes until they showed they didn't have to get carried through a shift.
I've moved on to different things, but the day I was given my Blue Roughneck helmet is still the proudest accomplishment of my adult life.
chevyboy777 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 15:35:03 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Fuck yeah, once you're a roughneck you never want to go back to anything. Well at least for me, I started when I got out of high school at 18 years old, I was a scrony guy, and everybody made fun of me. But when they saw I was keeping up with everybody eventually they started treating me with respect. On an oil rig team, it's hard to get accepted at first because they never know how long you're gonna last and how's your style of work, but if you're willing to pull with some workers giving you shit the first 2 weeks you'll make it through.
perc10 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 14:04:05 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
How do they show up? Do they take another boat to the rig? I'm sorry for my ignorance, I'm genuinely interested.
MrTacoMan ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 14:15:21 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Its in the middle of land so they prob drive
chevyboy777 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:27:11 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's in south Texas, well in the jobs were doing, Sometimes we travel to Oklahoma or the border with Mexico.
altiuscitiusfortius ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:13:52 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Usually they take a greyhound bus to Edmonton or Fort Mac, and then the company they work for has their own bus to take them the rest of the way.
Or they drive their $80k pickup truck.
mrhairybolo ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:17:15 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They drive lol
HotTyre ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 13:46:39 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Offshore rigs? I'm not familiar with the US sector but you guys just get untrained personel and get them to do hard/risky stuff healthwise?
Maybe_Just_Once ยท 38 points ยท Posted at 13:51:47 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If it's 2 1/2", it's likely onshore production tubing. Nothing offshore is that small.
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 14:27:59 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Moving pipes isn't risky.
altiuscitiusfortius ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 15:12:59 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Just heavy and monotonous and nonstop for 14 hours.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:49:40 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's not nonstop. It's still hard work, but manual laborers take a ton of breaks.
krab_kookies ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:28:17 on June 1, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What outfit are you working with and are y'all hiring? I do like my breaks.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:30:17 on June 1, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I would rather not name my company, but I have worked at 3 different places and it was common for them to have unofficial water breaks every hour or two.
krab_kookies ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:35:11 on June 1, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well yeah, hydrate breaks are damn near mandatory and forced, especially if you're in a hot environment but I don't think they really qualify as an actual break. When we were on location we'd alternate water breaks so someone was always turning iron or testing it.
But yes, H20h breaks were plenty.
chevyboy777 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:25:13 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm from South Texas, and trust me throwing pipe to the ground is the easiest job in there. People just don't last because sometimes we have to work 16-18 hour days so by the time were done they're dying.
leafjerky ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:53:27 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm guessing you work on land rigs? I worked on an offshore rig right out of high school. I did it a year before I realized that I didn't want to do that the rest of my life, but damn I miss it out there sometimes. That feeling of coming back for two weeks with that cash was just amazing. Also it was nice to watch the sunset/sunrise in the gulf.
Deathwish_Drang ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:55:50 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I had the one old asshole that used to accuse me of not pulling my weight when lifting the pipe slips. Turned out I was lifting those slips all by myself. To this day I hate that fucker with a passion and I met a guy who work eked with him after I did. He was smart and told the old asshole to pull his own weight and do his job or he would shove him off the v door . I tolerated that for about three months and then enrolled in college to become something else. I am an engineer now and I still cringe every time I think about Hilton drilling rig number 9
sixblackgeese ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:08:11 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It may help you in the future to learn how to use commas.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:52:21 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I love that too. I was middle of the pack in high school. Kinda just a lazy stoner who got in trouble for boosting cars. At 19 I got a job in the patch in Wyoming, to this day I love it. And while I'm a big (not fat) guy, I love it when some scrawny fucker can keep up.
CanadasFallenRoll ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:16:16 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
How heavy were the pipes? Doesn't sound so bad.
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 14:25:06 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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CanadasFallenRoll ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:12:05 on June 1, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
At 5lbs per foot, seems manageable.
krab_kookies ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:22:03 on June 1, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yes and no; when the strings are on the racks getting prepped and ready for drilling they're easily maneuvered into place. When they're being hoisted onto the rig floor to be inserted into the bore they're hanging from the top drive above you and you're moving them into place.
While you don't have to support the full weight of the pipe itself you do have to swing it around with your whole body to maneuver it safely around the floor and not let it go, that's how accidents and deaths happen.
krab_kookies ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 14:30:46 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Don't know the weight but you're looking at a 2-1/2" by (probably) 40' section of drill pipe, they weigh a good bit. I've never been on a drilling rig but I worked in frac iron service, another segment of O&G, and was always around the piping when we had on-location calls. I'm pretty sure 2-1/2" is some of the smaller pipe that drillers use, it gets up to 8" or 10" casing that is seriously not a joke.
Either way, it's not the weight that kills (figuratively... sometimes) but the long hours of working outside in the elements; here in Texas is gets around 110ยฐ+ where the major oil fields are and it makes plenty of new hands quit on that alone.
chevyboy777 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:30:24 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Exactly, and if you want to see a new guy rethink his life just watch them when it gets cold and raining.
krab_kookies ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:26:29 on June 1, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hell, watch them when they find out its going to be a 16hr day out on a frac pad with 24 frac pumps and 2 manifold trailers, probably 300 pieces of iron at a minimum and we have to service them.
In the 110ยฐ heat.
With FR coveralls, hard hats, gloves and now H2S monitors... they regret ever walking through our front door.
CanadasFallenRoll ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:10:05 on June 1, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
At 5lbs per foot and 40' long that'd be too heavy for most anyone to carry unassisted. The heat would definitely kill me.
krab_kookies ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:08:33 on June 1, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I found this video that does a pretty good job of summarizing what a drilling rig does and how most things work.
https://youtu.be/Su3Rf5pFQyM
Now, this is a basic and quick take down of what happens on any given hitch but it does a lot better job of describing things than most can give.
*Fuck cementers that don't flush their iron after their pumping is done.
Kreiger81 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:10:48 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Out of curiosity, how would somebody who is NOT strong handle your job? Would they not even get hired, or would you guys just work them up to the heavier jobs?
krab_kookies ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:15:13 on June 1, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Depending on who you're working for and how much your fellow rig hands like you, they could move you around to find something to better fit your physical capabilities. If tripping pipe isn't your strong suit then maybe general leasehand will better suit you.
If you're a little bitch that whines and is always making up excuses for why you can't or don't want to do something chances are that you won't be coming in the next morning/night. There aren't shortages of people waiting to get hired onto a rig and company men and supers know this; you are replaceable and will be replaced by someone that wants to work and make money.
Kreiger81 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:28:51 on June 1, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well, as proven in the post, you could be the fucking Mountain, and if you're a little bitch who whines, you won't cut it.
I think every IT guy like myself has looked at roughnecks once or twice and considered going into that kind of career, but long days and nights working hunched over a desk do not a great physical shape make.
Marie895 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:25:57 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
1 1/2'' pipe is like the smalles size ==||| our warehouse has 18 5/8'' or 20'' and every single one is 110.25lbs
Used to work at a place 37 miles away. Some girls who worked with me kept driving same distance and showing up everyday but never saw her the next week.
Katastic_Voyage ยท -10 points ยท Posted at 14:03:58 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This thread is full of cocky teenagers. It's really funny to watch them use downvotes like they matter.
ownage99988 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 14:31:47 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
3edgey5me
FistoftheSouthStar ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 17:11:26 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Fake
constantstomachache ยท 50 points ยท Posted at 14:47:25 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
As a 22 year old training the new summer hires at least the popular high school kids actually talk to customers.
eplusl ยท -9 points ยท Posted at 15:56:05 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah dude. I'm 29. I used to be the beta unpopular kid. Not anymore because I worked on myself a lot. And now, out of the two new interns at my job, I get along with the cute popular girl that got hired by the business development team. We chat over coffee, joke around, and I invited her along to our after work drinks with my other work friends. Our intern in Business Systems is this super smart and actually nice nerdy kid but he just doesn't talk to people and I just don't connect with him, whereas she's just cool to talk to.
Prison_Vape ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 21:47:24 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
... Sounds like you still have work to do.
eplusl ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:30:13 on June 1, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Why? All I meant is she's easier to talk to and get along with. He's a nice kid but he doesn't carry a conversation at all.
boot20 ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 14:16:08 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I worked fast food for a while and we would get the 16-18 year old high school kids rolling in thinking they could just slide by on their looks or whatever.
You can't be dead weight if you are working fast food, you have to do shit. The second one of them was told to wipe tables or clean up the front, it's like you asked them to kill puppies. "Can't you do it for me?" or "Why do I need to do it!?"
Sybre ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 17:39:16 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
and that's why they're getting replaced by robots
upsanddownes ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:09:08 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The fact nUm glad you
AnnyongFunke ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 14:22:08 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not crying, I'm allergic to jerks.
Stimming ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 17:56:59 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
We did not even had that in germany when i was in school in the 90s. You were an asshole or not.
ziration ยท 99 points ยท Posted at 13:55:47 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
high school is over, move on.
[deleted] ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 14:18:57 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
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[deleted] ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 15:44:53 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's for everyone out of high school.
ziration ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:02:25 on June 1, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I meant the 38 yr old nerd dude. He has been out of HS awhile now...(maybe maybe not!! haha)
Professorchronic ยท 70 points ยท Posted at 12:41:25 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Doubt they care. If you're cool, you're cool.
leif777 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:50:42 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Question: How is the word "cool" still cool to say? You'd think it would have been replaced by now like so many others have. Eg. neat-o, gnarly, hip, dandy, spim, dungreen, bingle, (I started making up words at some point but you get my spoolflip)
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:39:39 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
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Professorchronic ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 14:42:27 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
There are different types of cool. I think you are talking about being douchey cool.
teen_dad ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 14:56:40 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This just isn't true. Most kids who are the "cool" or "popular" ones in HS usually have pretty good social skills, hence why they're popular. They have an equal chance of succeeding in life over the so called "non popular" kids. It just doesn't matter. In fact, kids who suck as social skills may not have as much success working in the real world anyway. And cool and popular have nothing to do with intelligence or skill. What will get you far in life is hard work and being able to work with others, not how cool or uncool you were in school.
5k3k73k ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 14:54:59 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not initially. But as reality repeatedly curbstomps their expectations they will awaken to the reality of their situation as they drive a shitty car to a shitty job to pay the rent in their shitty apartment. Hopefully this realization occurs before they start meth (or something worse) to chemically compensate their egos. If not they will end up as 30something ex-addicts with no prospects and nothing to show for their lives except a hard lesson.
LEEVINNNN ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 15:20:06 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
That's a very good point, but I'll take a number 3 with a large fry.
Edit: I'm just pointing out that, like the meme says, it doesn't matter how cool you think you are when you are at work. Regardless of your ego you are still expected to do your job.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:24:41 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
if the kids you thought were cool in highschool are now working at mcdonalds, then they weren't actually cool. in my experience the cool kids had rich parents, were pretty good socially, and were at least doing well enough where they'd get into college.
CoarselyRefined ยท 3493 points ยท Posted at 11:48:41 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
20 years out of high school and you still feel scorn for the cool kids? You need counseling.
theinternetsecret ยท 2184 points ยท Posted at 12:26:46 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
he doesnt need counseling. im 43 and i beat up middle school kids e'ryday. makes me feel strong. plus my dad used to beat me so it brings me closer to him.
Rooonaldooo99 ยท 725 points ยท Posted at 12:41:54 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Use jumper cables for extra lightning dmg.
KesselySnipes ยท 244 points ยท Posted at 13:34:36 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Damn...I Miss /u/rogersimon10
Rooonaldooo99 ยท 252 points ยท Posted at 13:59:13 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
His dad finally finished the job. He's in Valhalla now.
[deleted] ยท 174 points ยท Posted at 14:04:47 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He got a jump-start to heaven. :(
sourcreamjunkie ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:09:41 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Beat me to it. :(
cATSup24 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:48:49 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You guys have lightning-fast wit. :(
Calmsford ยท 58 points ยท Posted at 14:13:24 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
ALL SHINY AND CHROME
drfarren ยท 25 points ยท Posted at 14:37:56 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Witnessed
sourcreamjunkie ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:10:09 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
[[WITNESSING INTENSIFIES]]
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:00:07 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Shiny and Chrome.
tree_jayy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:29:47 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
WITNESS HIM
Gl0riousGr0uch ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:55:21 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hey arent you the guy who fucks goats?
PM_YOUR_PROBLEMS_GRL ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 14:01:57 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Did something happen to that redditor?
Brave_Horatius ยท 106 points ยท Posted at 14:04:54 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He was beaten with jumper cables by his father.
Tragic
SuperCheeseNugget ยท 28 points ยท Posted at 14:07:03 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
A lot of his comments mention him being beaten with jumper cables by his dad. His last post was 7 months ago.
PM_YOUR_PROBLEMS_GRL ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 14:12:34 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Oh god, I was under the impression it was all a jolly old joke. Man, what a world.
aaustinn ยท 56 points ยท Posted at 14:17:18 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It is a joke, he just stopped posting.
leafjerky ยท 24 points ยท Posted at 14:55:20 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
How do we know he wasn't finished off by said jumper cables? RIP
PissdickMcArse ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:55:25 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Someone should go to his house to check on him. Maybe they'll find him in the garage, hanging from a jumper cable noose.
ClassySavage ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:58:34 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's been seven months. I'm sure the dad needed the jumper cables back by now.
PissdickMcArse ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:44:05 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe it finally inspired him to fix the car.
leafjerky ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:33:48 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
jumpman, jumpman, jumpman, this boy needs a hand hangin' from his roof by the black and red
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:23:49 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Oh shit no way
Chlamedia ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 14:15:21 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It was a joke :-)
Dragmire800 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 14:54:08 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That was a weird kind of whoosh
SuperCheeseNugget ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:43:28 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think it is a joke
ITakeMassiveDumps ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:01:38 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Have you seen this?
cosne18 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:55:47 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
7 months ago?! it feels like just last week I read one of his comments..where as my time gone?!
dasfeesh ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:38:35 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, no one wanted to eat lunch with OP in HS
SilentStriker84 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:06:49 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
We need to find out, quick gather the redditors!!! From all the subreddits!!!!!!!!
mcdinkleberry ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:36:14 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
His last post is hilarious
thingimibob1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:39:14 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Its gotta be a staged account right? Just a throwaway, every single comment mentions his Dad and jumper cables no matter the topic, i dont know if I'm out of the loop and it all is a joke or not.
montugar ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 15:19:37 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
/r/outside is leaking again
southern_boy ยท -13 points ยท Posted at 13:26:48 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
That's ELECTRICITY dmg you fucking casual.
edit: No not 'Dark Souls' I'm talking about the only arbiter of damage types that truly matters...
DUNGEONS & DRAGONS
fuckyoubarry ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 13:29:17 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Actually electricity is just a kind of lightning
soulstealer1984 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 13:53:16 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Or is lightning a kind of electricity...think about it.
chubby_cheese ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:20:03 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Whoa....
yumyum36 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:57:16 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Wait what if they're each a type of each other.
southern_boy ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 13:31:12 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's like you dinks don't even care about the rules.
feedagreat ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 13:41:39 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He was making a dark souls joke...whoosh right over your head.
Vendilion_Chris ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 14:02:11 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe Dark Souls is less popular than the people who play it think it is...
SilentBobVG ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:21:00 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
But he's not. It's lightning damage in Dark souls too.
tylerbreeze ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 14:05:16 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
But isn't it called lightning damage in Dark Souls?
Vendilion_Chris ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 14:00:55 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
As in one step closer to prison. Moving in with Dad. Best sleepover ever.
vanessow ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:34:13 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Is this an MTg name?
Vendilion_Chris ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:36:51 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yup
tungmick ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:24:30 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Was going to make a katt williams joke but He is 42. Kinda interesting. He got beat up by a teen so its backwards
InsertNameHere77 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:55:55 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's like that scene from the Lion King when Simba is talking to his spirit dad.
Michamus ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:03:30 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Dude, this is almost exactly what I say to my kids. They think it's the most hilarious shit ever.
7HR4SH3R ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:52:03 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So nice to see a kid following in his father footsteps, warms the heart
KaySquay ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:08:06 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Kinda like Katt Williams except the other way around
SophTracySchwartzman ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:09:45 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7t8xwpW8gJQ
FallenAngelII ยท 263 points ยท Posted at 13:58:05 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think it's more derision against their attitudes, expecting preferential treatment for non-achievements. Because high school kids fresh off 4 years of being the rulers of their high schools are more likely to have a bloated view of themselves and demand everyone bow down to them. Because that's how it's been for them for the past 4 years.
Vio_ ยท 108 points ยท Posted at 14:57:49 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"Don't you know who I am? I'm Zach Morrison."
"No, you're the 19 year old we hired to dust down the shelves and make a thousand copies of stuff we need mailed out. Hope you know how to lick 500 envelopes. We need this done by 2."
Isgrimnur ยท 24 points ยท Posted at 15:13:24 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Why is everyone getting two copies?
Vio_ ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 15:21:32 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"Well, we were going to give you help envelope stuffing so you wouldn't have to do all of it yourself, but I guess you really wanted to do all 1000. Oh, and the person who printed out everything alphabetized it and didn't print by zip code so now you have to rearrange everything by zip code and alphabetize each pile. Good news, though. We know this sucks, so we're giving you an extra hour to get everything done and delivered to the post office over on 8th Street."
chasesan ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:18:39 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
'But it closes at 3, so that's all we can give you to get it done and over there. Also the schools get out at around 3, so the traffic is killer, and it might take you an extra 15 to 20 to get there."
Vio_ ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:30:46 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This is pretty much the plotline to Devi Wears Prada. Whiny 20 year old has to realize that she suddenly has a job.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:02:56 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I need to call my parents and thank them for forcing me to get summer jobs in HS/College. I see so many college grads with absolutely zero job experience think they can step right in and produce and fall flat on their faces. I am not even talking about relevant field experience, I mean like, having developed a fucking work ethic of any sort.
VirindiDirector ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:55:22 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Please consider the environment before printing this email.
citizenkane86 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 15:52:40 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not telling people about the envelope sealer thing is a simple joy in life.
Vio_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:25:12 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Super pro tip. You can do multiple envelopes at the same time with a fairly moist paper towel. Just fan the envelopes out four or five at a time and swipe.
swimmerguy1991 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:48:24 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My grandma used to have a little newsletter business. She would put Luke 20 in a row on the table, with just the dry adhesive part out, and do them all in one fell swoop. She was the picture of efficiency.
Vio_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:00:17 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, that's when you're cranking out letters constantly. 4-5 is a good start/ middle place to get going.
Littlewigum ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:44:25 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Who would lick that many envelopes? Sponge and cup of water is all is needed.
Vio_ ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:45:46 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
19 year olds who thought they could get out of work, because they're too cool for school.
Also Bart Simpson
cheddarben ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:34:03 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
18 - 20 I'm gonna be a lawyer doctor who travels all the time and maybe run a business on the side.
20-30 ok. Maybe not, but I pretty much have everything figured out.
30-40. Oh shit. I know some stuff, but there are lots of things I don't know and I have learned I am wrong enough. And fuck... Some peers who I thought knew everything too are having a tough time.
40-50 dunno. Still in process. But my view of "success" is definitely changing.
Tylerjb4 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:10:56 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
TBF it takes some of that attitude to be a leader and get promoted unless you are in software developing or tech support
FallenAngelII ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:29:24 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No, a leader needs achievements or at least useful skills, unless rampant nepotism is at play. Having been head cheerleader or quarterback does not mean you'd automatically make a good supervisor at an upscale restaurant or whatnot.
jonpaladin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:16:53 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
it depends on what your definition of leader is. surely it takes that attitude to be a politician...
VonBrewskie ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:19:07 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Oh that's definitely a thing. I trained a lot of 18 year olds at UPS who were being forced to get a job by their parents. The snark was real with a lot of them. I told one kid that they had to turn their phone off or keep it in their pocket (emergency use only) during work hours. It's a safety issue among other things. Distracted people can get seriously injured in an active warehouse. Had to tell this new hire repeatedly to get off their phone. They tried to complain to HR that I was discriminating against them when they found out I chose to throw their new hire packet on the "nope" pile on my boss's desk. To be fair, they also tried to say that they were being discriminated against by everyone and their mother in that warehouse. Not even the shop steward wanted them around.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:07:26 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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captshady ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 15:28:16 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm older than OP, so times may have changed, but most of those kids had to take a bite of a big shit sandwich, served by life in general before they became normal and grounded.
FallenAngelII ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:28:09 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And how many kids do "Eat Pray Love" tours across Europe fresh out of High School?
AC3x0FxSPADES ยท 35 points ยท Posted at 14:12:47 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm assuming he means the kids who think they're hot shit in a professional work environment for no good reason. We get a few of those every so often where I work and they're pretty annoying. It's all jokes and trying to be buddy buddy with you when they can't do the actual work to save their life.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 14:34:42 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This hit close to home here. I make a ton of money working at my new company but I feel like I'm not providing enough. I sortof try to be buddy buddy to overshadow the fact that I feel like idk anything around here. Been here for over half a year. Honestly, when I get down to it I'm better than the "senior" person here but the way our command system chain is set up my manager doesn't have me do much on my team and she's too busy and away all the time. How can I become a better person on my team and help out more without stepping on toes "out of my scope"? I work in IT healthcare - pretty complex stuff honestly
AC3x0FxSPADES ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:49:27 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
From what you describe it doesn't sound like you're doing anything wrong. I'm talking about kids who want to stand in my office and try to gossip and rickroll people in Lync while their actual performance is deplorable. There's nothing wrong with fraternizing, but when they use that as their only means of maintaining the job I find it frustrating. Everyone starts off knowing nothing, I was the same way. You seem to be aware that you have room to grow, and if you have the thirst to actually learn you'll be fine.
The strategy I used to move into a supervisory role was to take responsibility for as much as possible and badger anyone I could for experience opportunities.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:29:55 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Thanks for that! I guess it's a good feeling that I am trying to do more work to feel more relevant. I will admit, however, that it's very easy to just sit back and not do anything all week...or extend a simple task way past in terms of how long it should take.
I can't believe that happening in your office. What industry or field are you guys in? Serious question: Are those guys college grads? And if so, are they "fraternity" type of guys? I don't mean like the movie "neighbors" or anything ridiculous. I was part of a frat in college and "networking + socializing" was ingraved into our circlejerk culture and, of course, that we'll all be filthy rich in the future. We were all very hard working kids (school is compared to ivy league schools) and had amazing grades but not once did anyone actually talk about hard work and developing real skills. It was all about "how to shake hands firmly" and other CEO-level relevant tricks of the trade. News flash when we graduated: We weren't going to be CEOs in our 20s like we planned to. I spent a whole year unemployed before I got LUCKY to find a job.
AC3x0FxSPADES ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:54:44 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Software development. And they're usually interns who recently graduated High School.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:05:37 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You take interns fresh out of hs for software dev? Wow. They have no idea what type of experience they are passing up.
AC3x0FxSPADES ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:13:02 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Interns. They're definitely not doing dev work.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:05:04 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Such a shame. I would have loved for that opportunity fresh out of college....I couldn't even imagine it after hs.
SavannahWinslow ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:40:26 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That and the fact that they REALLY think they're qualified to be the VP of some major department and think something's really wrong with a company that won't just give them the chance to prove it.
AC3x0FxSPADES ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:57:12 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Oh yeah. They think they'll be moving into the well-paying, highly competitive positions next week just because they're with the company. I have a guy who talks my ear off about how he'd do things differently. To shut that down I just point out that he should apply to that department if he thinks he's qualified.
Teekoo ยท 752 points ยท Posted at 13:44:23 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What makes you think that he has any scorn for them? He's just teaching them and they act like teenagers usually do. So you need to keep em in order.
tishmaster ยท 101 points ยท Posted at 14:20:48 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The nature of this meme is to convey a sense of scornful triumph, as does the line in the movie. His scornful triumph over high school popularity is like... the entire message.
moleratical ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 14:36:02 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You are assuming that memes are used correctly
tishmaster ยท 47 points ยท Posted at 14:37:08 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well he's a nerd on reddit I'm assuming he knows what he's doing.
btribble ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 16:17:52 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"With fingers flying and fedora slightly askew, the nerd dives for the jugular. It is only here, online and in the safety of his parent's basement that he feels truly in control." - David Attenborough
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:42:31 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You aren't suggesting people would use a meme incorrectly, are you?
IrrelevantLeprechaun ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:04:54 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You assume people use memes to express their inner emotion and use them to identify with.
In reality people use them for jokes. Take it easy, son. You're putting too much thought into it.
tishmaster ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:49:26 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ok dad.
juanzy ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 14:21:33 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Right? We reign in the ego of at least a few interns a year, and plenty of them have gone on to have a good internship.
labrys ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:06:32 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not so much of a problem with egos with newbies at my place, but a lot of them think they know everything about programming.
Yes, yes, it's good you can recite a c# text book cover to cover, and your lecturer might have told you that, but in the real world this is how we're going to do it because we need to make it work with code written before you were born.
Ah, yes, it's lovely that you can spend a week writing something ridiculously complicated spider code that will cope with every possible scenario, but how about spending half a day writing some clearly written, well commented code that will work with the scenario we actually have to solve, will be ready by the deadline, and as a bonus will be easy to modify in the future?
There's definitely a time and place for complicated code, but 90% of the time keeping it simple is the way to go if you want maintainable code. I think students should be made to chant that at the start of every lecture, as drumming the need to show off with complicated code out of new-starters takes far too much time every time we take on a new batch.
juanzy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:54:42 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I mean, that's ego. Albeit professional versus personal.
labrys ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:05:50 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, I guess it's he geek way of expressing an ego. It's weird to see the split in personality types between the different parts of my company - it makes you realise how true some stereotypes are. When we have a big intake, they do the inductions together, and when you go down to pick up your newbies, you can almost always tell which are the programmers, which are clinical, which are customer care etc before any introductions are made.
vjt960 ยท 344 points ยท Posted at 14:05:19 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
right? the fact that it's the top comment on this post goes to show how so many of the scumbag kids lurk this site.
majines ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 14:32:36 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If you upvote that man you're a scumbag kid!
You showed me.
[deleted] ยท 198 points ยท Posted at 14:14:10 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This subreddit is literally made for kids though. Like, who finds any of this funny at all, seriously? Only time I enter the comments is when I crave my daily dose of autism.
[deleted] ยท 42 points ยท Posted at 14:25:26 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
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sourcreamjunkie ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 15:12:52 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I, too, inhale dank memes.
go_kartmozart ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:02:21 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
heh heh heh
sperglords.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:31:13 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's the life blood of Reddit, don't ya know!
Alexwolf117 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:33:59 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I found your comment pretty funny :>) friendo
PiousLiar ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:05:43 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Leave the default subs then?
Princepinkpanda ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:03:20 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
go to /r/funny comments if you want pure unfiltered autism.
ApolloRocketOfLove ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 15:04:26 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
People who are happier than you? I'm not judging you, but I'm pretty sure I'm not wrong.
GozerDaGozerian ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:07:21 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Can confirm. Mostly happy and find this stuff funny.
ProBro ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:49:40 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You can be happy and have an eclectic sense of humour at the same time...
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:13:49 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Don't get me wrong, I'm capable of enjoying a lot of reddit. But this subreddit generally makes me unhappy. I don't start off that way. People that happily browse here can continue to do so. But I wouldn't say they are any happier people in general than I am. I also have no way of proving that.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:48:01 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:07:52 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Nah I came from /r/all, I'm not subbed here. I had no plans to comment but I was surprised there could be any adults here that didn't just stumble into a thread to watch the squabbling.
Andoo ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 14:14:47 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Don't worry, they'll fucking get old and die like the rest of us. It's the beauty of life.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:14:50 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
There is something oddly comforting about this.
skekze ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:53:22 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm just here for the autism and the dying teenagers. Like the sands of the hourglass, so are the days of our lives.
ManiacalShen ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:51:12 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Alternatively, some upvotes are from adults who have worked with many teenagers and are boggling at the attitude in the post.
I actually liked working with teenagers, though. Their inexperience makes them a little easier to mold, and they're often eager to please you if you're fair and patient with them. Even the smartasses who need you to be a little firm, as well. And the ones who weren't cooperative at all usually didn't last all that long (yay retail turnover rates).
[deleted] ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 14:42:24 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If his comment didn't have any scorn for today's youth yours definitely did.
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 14:20:14 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Get off my lawn!
gunsNdabs ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:51:27 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not every cool kid is scum though....
DeBurgo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:17:09 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
as a former child I know for a fact there are kids both upvoting the original comment this comment is discussion and upvoting the post I'm responding to, a number probably thinking "stupid kids, I'm not like them though."
nobodynose ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:25:32 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Fuck you. Don't you know that in high school I scored 4 touch downs in one game? Polk High for life!
If you get that reference you're probably not one of those blasted kids on my lawn.
usaf9211 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:43:16 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's the convergence of Reddit and the retardation of facebook
ThunderMethTiger ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:56:50 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Calling them "scumbag kids" is quite literally the definition of scorn.
LoyalSol ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:58:11 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I've taught freshmen courses at a university before and I can tell you the kids who are fresh out of high school still have all of their bad habits.
The difference between freshmen and students who have been in college for 3+ years is night and day.
WutangCND ยท -74 points ยท Posted at 13:45:53 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He's making a meme about being 38 and basically bragging about how he's better than some high school cool kids. This belongs in /r/cringepics
[deleted] ยท 63 points ยท Posted at 13:51:11 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
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juanzy ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 14:10:23 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, every year we usually have to reign in at least one intern from our annual summer program, and they're all college juniors with previous job experience (presumably). It's easy to tell the ones that "worked" at daddy's firm versus the ones that got a job on their own, professional or not, and worked hard. Had a guy show up with a Trump lapel pin this year and try to flirt with some mid-20s full time employees.
WutangCND ยท -55 points ยท Posted at 13:57:05 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Lol downvote away guys, if you're competing with teenagers you need help.
Edit: you guys are awesome. So much insecurity
willfordbrimly ยท 33 points ยท Posted at 13:59:00 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Teenagers are stupid assholes.
Source: Was stupid asshole as a teen.
WutangCND ยท -24 points ยท Posted at 14:02:52 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ya exactly my point. I was also one. So why compete with them lol. Just laugh and remember how fun it was to be a meathead
willfordbrimly ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 14:05:28 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
We were until you started running your mouth...
WutangCND ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 14:20:35 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Were you? Pretty sure you were all jerking each other off about putting down teenagers.
willfordbrimly ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 14:21:35 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
We can do your thing and our thing.
GayMilitaryBoy ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 14:05:04 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"Was"
FuckItImLoggingIn ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:06:54 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Or, in the case of a working environment, treat them as adults and work colleagues and tell them their high school popularity has no power there.
anoxy ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 14:28:12 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Or just lead by example and stop trying to belittle them for being normal teenagers. They'll catch on eventually.
This is no better than parents who try to force their ideologies on their children. Let them make mistakes and learn from them.
FuckItImLoggingIn ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:36:03 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I am not sure where you got belittling. I didn't mean actually tell them that their popularity doesn't matter anymore. It was a bit tongue-in-cheek. Also I don't believe OP has said that to them either.
EDIT: I mean yeah, don't make fun of the kids, but by all means, take no bullshit from them either.
anoxy ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:53:24 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Sorry, my comment wasn't directed at you. I was just building off of it to go on a tangent.
TheCopyPasteLife ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:14:57 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"was"
lmao, go fuck yourself, friendo
DavidG993 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:53:59 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Editing your comment with a statement that pretty much says "Lol I don't care care about your downvotes" screams insecurity.
msbrooklyn ยท 101 points ยท Posted at 13:47:52 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I was an assistant manager in charge of training for two years. I took a lot of kids fresh out of school and some of them just had cocky attitudes. I actually had do write one up because he kept flirting with the teenage customers (he was 18 himself). He would stand around for ten minute chunks, leaning against the slushie machines like lockers trying to woo girls to go to the theater or some shit. He was fired by the end of the week, he used a dust rag to clean the bathroom... then his shoes... the whole bathroom had to be disinfected. How do you graduate without knowing how to properly clean a bathroom!
kare_kano ยท 109 points ยท Posted at 14:18:15 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Did you guys show him how to clean the bathroom at least once? 'Cause if you haven't and just expected him to know you kinda set yourselves up for it.
msbrooklyn ยท -53 points ยท Posted at 14:39:28 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I gave him the cleaning bucket with paper towels, window cleaner, bleach water, gloves, air freshener and a dust rag that we used to dust the fixtures and told him to go for it. He came back with a wet dust rag and I got suspicious. I didn't smell bleach and everything was wet with water. When I came out of the bathroom he was cleaning his shoes with the same rag.
I was in shock. What did he think I gave him all the other stuff for?
SirNarwhal ยท 87 points ยท Posted at 15:05:06 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So then no, you didn't actually teach him whatsoever and then got pissed at him for your own incompetence. Great assistant manager skill set, buddy!
grovesky ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 23:23:13 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
As if they teach "cleaning bathrooms" in highschool...
CameraMan1 ยท 52 points ยท Posted at 15:03:16 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
yeah you kinda seem like the asshole in this situation TBH. If you want something done a certain way, it's your job to communicate the proper way for it to be done.
chuckymcgee ยท 33 points ยท Posted at 14:53:15 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe if there was poop or something serious. Playing devil's advocate here but lots of people really haven't sanitized a toilet or used a mop. Assuming people just have an intuitive sense of how to do something because it seems basic to you doesn't make it so.
RichardRogers ยท 23 points ยท Posted at 16:15:01 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I just want to chime in and say that I had to clean sinks and toilets when I was a kid and my mom had me using rags. Not everyone does things the same way, which is why businesses train newcomers on the particular way they're supposed to do things.
In conclusion, that incident was totally your fault.
msbrooklyn ยท -15 points ยท Posted at 16:43:08 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I wouldn't have been upset if he cleaned the bathroom with the rag, IF HE HAD ACTUALLY USED CLEANER. All he did was use plain water, he pretty much smeared toilet germs all over everything, then left it wet. Who wants to touch a wet sink handle or door?
cardfire ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 16:28:46 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Since this is the internet, most of the participants in this discussion feel at liberty to throw a whole lot of shade your way.
I'll just say "I'm sorry that you had that unfortunate experience with a pain-in-the-ass kid" and that "you have probably learned the importance of further training your staff, for the future."
I'm reminded of a piece of lore around Sun Tzu (the Art of War Dude) ...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sun_Tzu
Sleeper256 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:45:14 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
We don't learn how to clean things in school (MAYBE once in cooking class), parenting is worse than ever, this is probably his first job for shit pay so he doesn't care about learning on his own time. What do you expect?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:33:26 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Many people really don't know how to do basic things like laundry, or cleaning the dishes without a dishwasher, or mopping the floor.
[deleted] ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 17:08:50 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Wow you're getting shit on big time lol
FWIW I am with you here, I question the individual's ability to function on a day-to-day basis if they can't even figure out how to clean surfaces in a bathroom.
Hatweed ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:27:54 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Dude. The only reason I know how to clean a bathroom properly was because I started cleaning septic tanks, bathrooms, and sewers when I was 20. There's some nuance to cleaning you can't expect the greenhorns to understand.
RangerNS ยท 59 points ยท Posted at 14:28:36 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You were in charge of training and you have the view that people just out of school should know how to do things?
I'm shocked you lasted two years.
SirNarwhal ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 15:06:16 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Note the slushie machine bit. Dude works at a fucking 7-11 or gas station. He's just as awful as whoever's being hired most likely.
msbrooklyn ยท -8 points ยท Posted at 14:35:59 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I was hopeful they had common sense. Most did. This guy... and others, did not.
[deleted] ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 15:19:29 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So, what you're saying is, it was your fault for not training them?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:21:24 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
You go to home
CaptMatty ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:15:25 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You're the exact kind of manager I would do my best to never work for. Being in charge of training means you actually train people, not just shit all over them if they don't know what to do.
[deleted] ยท 65 points ยท Posted at 14:03:06 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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altiuscitiusfortius ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:18:28 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Commercial bathroom sterilization 101.
It was taught after recess in grade 11, didn't you take that class?
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Scalpels ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:41:11 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You shouldn't learn it in high school. You should learn it at home and, if methods are different in the workplace, it should be trained within the first week of the job.
My wife and I are mindful that our children are going to have to be self sufficient eventually. We've taught them everything we can think of from cleaning, to cooking, to saving money, handling rent, etc. They hated every second of it, but they'll be better prepared to handle living on their own than I ever was.
HeyZuesHChrist ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 15:43:56 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Exactly. A lot of the people in here are advocating that you just fire a kid for not knowing how to properly clean a bathroom or saying that the kid is obviously worthless and a lost cause at the young age of 18.
If you hire an 18 year old and they have to clean a bathroom and they do a shitty job then you show them how you expect the bathroom to be cleaned. It's a simple problem with a simple solution.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:09:20 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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SirNarwhal ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 15:03:33 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Cleaning a home bathroom is DRASTICALLY different than cleaning a store bathroom.
Thefuckingmeatloaf ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:14:59 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
For some places I've worked at the policy is stringent. In other places it consists of, "does that spray bottle have liquid? Go spray the mirror with it. Ignore the toilet, that fucker is gross. Sweep and mop then nope the fuck out before you puke. If you puke, leave, let morning crew handle it."
jonpaladin ยท -6 points ยท Posted at 15:18:33 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
you spray products on surfaces and scrub them down. it's not different.
SirNarwhal ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 15:25:48 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The vast majority of commercial cleaning products are actually not sprays. Stop being so high and mighty when you yourself would fail.
jonpaladin ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 15:47:50 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
you ain't know me sir narwhal. you ain't know nothing bout nothing
SirNarwhal ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:49:31 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I know that you can't clean a commercial bathroom properly.
jonpaladin ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 15:53:12 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
if you don't know you better ask somebody, also you're legit dumb if this is your hill to die on. "oh yeah well I have worked with industrial cleaners that are not sprays, you lying failure!" take it down to like a 2 ya nutcase.
pipboy_warrior ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:26:14 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Mopping the floors is at least a little different, since many stores use industrial strength cleaners that you have to be careful with using. Tabletops are going to largely be cleaned the same, though.
Ezzbrez ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:29:10 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
At home I'm probably going only use a spray cleaning solution if there's actually a mess or stain or something, otherwise just wipe it down with water/dust it. Maybe I would if it's been a while since I last cleaned, but I certainly wouldn't use spray every time if I was cleaning with the frequency that commercial areas are cleaned.
HeyZuesHChrist ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 14:11:21 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You're over estimating parenting.
fakeprewarbook ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:28:45 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
In Absentee Parents class?
msbrooklyn ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 14:10:01 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It should be common sense. "Don't use the same thing to clean the sink that you just used to clean the toilet, use paper towels, use more than water"
HeyZuesHChrist ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 14:11:04 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Again, I think you over estimate 18 year olds and what they know or even think is common sense. People often forget what it's like to be 18.
ProBro ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:47:35 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No, it's just that a lot of parents don't know how to parent.
Ravelord_Nito_ ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 14:20:25 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I was 18 about a year ago. If you can solve high-school level math, you can fucking clean smooth surfaces. Seriously, the bathroom has to be the easiest room in the house to do. They're not not smart enough to know how, they're just not applying their common sense.
msbrooklyn ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:40:23 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I was 19 myself at the time. I hadn't forgotten the past year.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:57:25 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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SirNarwhal ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 15:04:13 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
How the fuck are you treating 18 year olds like they're 5 year olds!?
HeyZuesHChrist ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 15:08:50 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't treat them like they're five year olds. I just understand that simply because they are considered an adult doesn't mean they have any real life experiences or have had any real responsibility that gives them perspectives.
You can pretend that just because somebody is 18 that they should know things or you can realize that in reality many times they don't. I like to think that at 18 I was well adjust and knew things, but looking back as a 35 year old I didn't know shit when I was 18. And when I'm 50 years old I'll probably realize I don't know shit now, too.
jonpaladin ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:20:28 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
well exactly, so everyone is always learning. you don't treat a 35 year old with kid gloves because they don't know everything a 50 year old does. why treat an 18 year old with kid gloves because they don't know everything a 35 year old does? I'm not saying you have to be some authoritarian lunatic, but you can expect them to understand how to use a cleaning product or two.
HeyZuesHChrist ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:35:06 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You just show the kid how to clean the bathroom properly. That's all. Problem solved. It won't take you that long.
jonpaladin ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:51:45 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
probably really you ask them in their initial interview whether wiping down surfaces and mopping floors is a thing they know how to do. of course they will all say, yes, because EVERYONE knows how to do that. it is common sense. no 18 year old will admit in an interview that "fuck my parents wiped my ass for me this morning, of course I can't clean a fuckin bathroom lol." this whole conversation about whether or not teenagers should know how to clean things is like a joke really.
HeyZuesHChrist ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:01:53 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well, it's not like the 18 year old would even think they were lying. They would probably think believe they knew how to do it.
SirNarwhal ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 15:12:09 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Just because you didn't know shit at 18 doesn't mean most people don't know shit at 18, in fact it's nearly the exact opposite. If you haven't grown up by 18, quite frankly, you probably never will or, at the very least, won't until you're in your 30s.
HeyZuesHChrist ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:25:48 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, Ok. Obviously if you did a shitty job cleaning a bathroom when you're 18 you're never going to succeed in life, right? Everybody should just be grown up by 18 or else they never will!
What I quoted from you is honestly one of the dumbest things I've ever seen somebody say on Reddit.
CountryTimeLemonlade ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:47:23 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This is the most false thing I have read today. The maturation that occurs between graduating high school and being, say, two years out is insane if you (a) go to college or (b) get a job and move out.
18 year olds don't know much. They just don't. And that's okay. I know people who knew so little they had to call mommy for instructions on how to use a microwave to reheat food. Not knowing how to clean a bathroom is definitely plausible. They just need to be taught.
calicosiside ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:16:07 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
as a 17 year old being a teenager isnt an excuse for being unable to fuction as a person
HeyZuesHChrist ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:20:49 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, not being shitty at cleaning a bathroom makes you not able to function as a person. Here is a novel idea. If the kid doesn't clean the bathroom right the first time show him how to do it instead of just firing the kid and making it somebody else's problem. If the trend continues he'll just never learn anything. Problem solved.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:51:40 on June 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
A job means that people get hired to do a specific task. if that person is unable to do that specific task, one must calculate what is the rational and cost-effective thing to do: hire someone else who can or teach this person that specific task. In the case of bathroom cleaning, it depends on the number of bathrooms that person has to clean. If his only task is to clean bathrooms, that person would be fired and someone else must be hired instead. If cleaning bathrooms is just one task among many and that person is qualified to do the other tasks then that person should be trained.
Honestly, you can't generalize in any way. Sometimes you should fire that person, and sometimes you should train them.
Bryek ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:31:46 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Or just clean the toilet last.
practicallyrational- ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:24:17 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Do none of you have parents?
HeyZuesHChrist ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 16:52:34 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Of course I have parents. I'm 35 and both of my parents are still living.
I had to help my mom clean the house while I was growing up. I had to help my dad by cutting the grass. But you know what? I still did some really dumb shit that you think would be common sense to someone. One time when I was about 16 or so I used a strainer to try to cook french fries in a deep fryer. One time when I was about 17 or 18 I didn't check the stationary tub before I did laundry. There was a rag that was covering the drain and it flooded the basement. My first job at McDonald's when I was 16? It was lent and it was Friday and everybody was ordering fish sandwiches. I was in charge of fish sandwiches and I forgot to put the fish on the sandwiches and sent a couple that came through the drive-thru home with bread with cheese and tarter sauce on it. I realized what I had done quickly but it was too late. A half hour later the couple called to complain and my manager came back and asked who was on fish sandwiches and I had to tell her it was me. I wasn't fired for it but it was pretty fucking dumb, wouldn't you say?
Today? Well, I know how to do laundry, and I know what happens when the stationary tub is clogged and the washer drains into it. I know how to cook french fries in a deep fryer and that you can't do it with a strainer. I know how to put fish between two pieces of bread, too. I graduated from college in four years and I work a professional job. I have a GF, and a puppy, and we live in a nice, brand new town home. I've been on my own for over a decade, doing just fine. I do my own taxes. I pay my bills, etc.
But I'll be goddamned if I wasn't an idiot when I was 18 years old, despite having parents who tried to teach me how to do things on my own.
buddyholiday ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:12:43 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
People keep making this argument, but how has someone existed for 18 years without learning to clean? Cleaning a bathroom isn't all that different than cleaning anything else.
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 15:00:36 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They teach that at home where you do your chores. Cleaning is something every kid should do our learn to do when they are growing up. These are the things that they will need to know in order to maintain their selves and their homes when they move out. Not learning these things is almost a fundamental failure on the part of the parent. You can get by fine in life learning these things later, but it's always better to know these things early.
HeyZuesHChrist ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 15:09:42 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Sure, but we should also understand that not all kids are taught this, that it's not their fault they weren't taught these things, and that you need to adjust accordingly. Plenty of parents are bad parents. Actually, there are a lot of helicopter parents who don't teach their kids these things anymore. Instead they do everything for them.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:12:12 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's what I said, you could get along without but it is better to learn these things earlier. I've been in working for 17 years and I know by now that there are definitely kids who never cleaned in their lives so I'm kinda used to seeing it. Doesn't make it any less depressing to see though.
HeyZuesHChrist ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 15:23:21 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
There are people in this thread who think a kid like this is just a waste and should be discarded. If he doesn't know how to do it then you show him, and then he knows. Problem solved.
jonpaladin ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:22:25 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Everyone is fucked up by their parents. at a certain point people learn to take responsibility for themselves (or not). why fuck around with those who never do? when these kids become adults and pass on shitty work ethics and attitudes to their kids, is that when you will start blaming them? or will you start blaming their grandparents? like original sin is already a thing.
HeyZuesHChrist ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:28:18 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Sure, if somebody is 30 years old and still can't take responsibility for themselves then you have a point. When you're 18 years old? Come on, man.
jonpaladin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:49:44 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I am not saying they should be capable of running a household, just not cleaning a bathroom with a dirty rag used to clean shoes?
RichardRogers ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:17:15 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Since you've railed against using parental upbringing as an excuse, I'd like to hear your excuse for shitty reading comprehension. The rag was used on the shoes after the bathroom was cleaned.
Merlunie ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 16:53:38 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They should teach it at home. That's how you raise a well adjusted kid.
Flat out I'm 19, I know how to do that shit. My friends in college know how to, my friends I graduated with know how to.
HeyZuesHChrist ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 17:17:35 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And what if the 18 year old kid doesn't know how to clean the bathroom right at work? Then what? What do you propose should be done?
Merlunie ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 19:02:46 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My point is an 18 year old should know how. If they don't then they should say something not fuck it up.
HeyZuesHChrist ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:19:06 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Or, and here me out here, they THINK they know how to do something and they don't.
I understand why you didn't answer my question, though. It's because it was a leading question. The answer is that you just show the 18 year old kid how to do something like clean the work bathroom properly. That's it. It's a simple solution to a simple problem. It doesn't mean the kid is a lost cause. It just means he doesn't know how to clean a bathroom the right way.
2016sucksballs ยท 40 points ยท Posted at 13:52:43 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Easy. Your mom still does everything for you. Or your maid.
juanzy ยท 81 points ยท Posted at 14:18:00 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Playing devil's advocate, cleaning a high traffic public bathroom isn't the same as cleaning your bathroom at home. It's like doing your own dishes versus being a dishwasher at a restaurant. There's some chemicals you're required to use on certain things you'd never have in a house, also some things are sanitized rather than washed, some are required to be soaked with a solution prior to washing or heat sterilizing. To go with that, properly disinfecting after someone has a bathroom accident- At home you'd have pine-sol and be set, while in a public bathroom there's a disinfecting process you have to follow.
mileylols ยท 23 points ยท Posted at 14:50:49 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yellow stuff! Wait 5 minutes, rinse with water!
or if it's really bad
Blue stuff! Then yellow stuff! Then water!
or if it's really really bad
Wait until the end of your shift! Let the next guy handle it!
wintercast ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:24:36 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
is the blue stuff sterbacblue?
mileylols ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:02:38 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I have no clue what any of the stuff is called lol
buddyholiday ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:15:57 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yea, but this kid used a dust rag to clean an entire bathroom. This kid didn't know how to clean period.
VeryGoodKarma ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 13:57:21 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Or you were raised living in filth!
freddy157 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 14:46:07 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Oooor I don't shit on my bathroom floor like people do in public bathrooms.
jonpaladin ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:17:55 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
indeed. i have never shit on the floor so i don't know how to clean floors.
freddy157 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:55:54 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not sure where you are going with this but I feel you misunderstood. Maybe try shitting on your floor.
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aluropoda ยท 33 points ยท Posted at 14:08:03 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It isn't about school. It is about a 18 year old doesn't know how to clean something up. It is not a complicated task to clean a bathroom. It is not like they are asking him to clean a chemical spill in the muskeg. Even if you have lived a pampered enough life to have never lift a finger to clean up after yourself, you should have seen enough people do it by now to know how.
pipboy_warrior ยท 22 points ยท Posted at 14:12:26 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't know, generally when I clean the bathroom I'm the sole occupant of said bathroom, with no one watching me. Same if someone else is cleaning it, when my wife cleans it's not like I'm standing there watching her clean. Come to think of it, when I clean I like people to be out of the way.
aluropoda ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 14:24:49 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
There are enough clips on shows where people are cleaning bathrooms, what about when you are a kid and your parents cleaned? Have you never walked into a bathroom with a janitor still doing their thing in it? Cleaning commercials on TV too!
Brownieman17 ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 14:27:11 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Everyone learns so much about cleaning from watching commercials
aluropoda ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:41:29 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They at the very least give you an idea of the equipment needed for the task. Cleaning a bathroom is not complicated
Brownieman17 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:48:00 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Nobody's teaching you how to clean on tv
aluropoda ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:22:32 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
you see the materials you use though. Doesn't take a bachelors or a tech diploma to know how to clean a bathroom (the next form of education post high school).
pipboy_warrior ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 14:31:48 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't think TV sitcoms are an accurate portrayal of how to do household cleaning, and I can't even remember the last time I've watched a show where bathroom cleaning was shown beyond showing a person enter a bathroom with supplies.
Seems reasonable that as a kid you wouldn't spend time watching their parents clean the bathroom. You're a kid, you come across someone cleaning the bathroom, do you think it would be odd for the kid to decide to go somewhere else rather than stay and watch the cleaning process?
Cleaning is one of those things that you don't really think about until you actually have to do it, same as cooking. TV commercials and sitcoms aren't going to teach someone how cleaning is properly done, either someone has to sit you down and say "This is how you clean", or someone is given the task of cleaning for the first time and they have to figure it out themselves.
iamgr3m ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 14:39:28 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I just find it odd that his parents never used cleaning the bathroom as a punishment. Or a chore. He sounds pampered.
pipboy_warrior ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:00:41 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I agree it's odd that someone would never be made to at least help clean as a kid. But given a kid that was this pampered and never once had to clean, it makes sense that they would need some basic instruction for the first time.
iamgr3m ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:16:11 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I remember getting a bad grade or doing something else and was grounded. To get ungrounded I had a list of chores to do around the house. The bathroom was my moms favorite to use. We thought it was gross as kids and she didn't have to clean it!
aluropoda ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 14:40:14 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
By 18 you should be smart enough to clean a bathroom without direction it is not complicated at all.
pipboy_warrior ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:06:55 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Even someone with previous experience would at least need to know where all the different tools were, and the cleaning process for a public restroom is usually different from how you'd clean your own bathroom. A simple "Use this for the countertops, this for the toilets, and this for the floors" would be expected, it's not hard at all to provide that.
krispyKRAKEN ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:30:13 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think everyone is overthinking this. With no prior experience cleaning a bathroom, a person should be able to figure it out if given the right tools... It's not hard you just need a fraction of common sense lmao
aluropoda ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:38:44 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
thank you!
Gawd_Awful ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:52:46 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Unfortunately, reddit is full of people lacking basic common sense and argue just for the sake of being difficult.
GreenShirtedWhiteBoy ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:34:27 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I never cleaned a bathroom in my life until I moved out. My mom did that. I did stuff like mow the lawn, clean the dogs or yard, outside stuff.
justaguy394 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 14:30:32 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I dunno.... We weren't rich but we had a cleaning lady come every two weeks and she did all that, and it's not like I sat around and watched her as a kid. I got a job at an ice cream place in high school, though, and they taught me how to clean a bathroom. But without that job, I might have graduated without knowing how to do it "properly". You're right that you can sort of guess based on other cleaning (spray stuff, wipe it off etc) but I had never used a toilet brush until that job.
Voodoobones ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:33:51 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The Army taught me the proper way to clean a latrine. I think everyone could benefit from military service.
FantasticDucks ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:56:56 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Not true, am 21, have no clue how to clean a bathroom. I know I've done it, I just do not remember any of the steps involved.
Edit: I'm not even wealthy or anything. My sister just always called dibs on it when chores came around, so I'm guessing it's not too difficult.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:09:39 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
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practicallyrational- ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 14:21:40 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think he means, "How do you make it through 17-19 years of life never having been taught or learned to clean a bathroom properly?"
Because holy shit, if you are going more than 2 weeks or a month without cleaning your bathroom, its too long. But years of never having even cleaned a bathroom? Fuck off.
SakuraCha ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:43:10 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Cleaning a public bathroom is a different horse all together. at home you just grab some paper towel or clorox or something and wipe up the pee spots, then swirl some of that blue stuff around the inside and your done. in a public bathroom you have to know how to prepair the chemicals, wipe everything down, clean every inch every day and refill paper towel and toilet paper. if no one tells you how to prepair the chemicals, when its necessary to us bleach or even which rags are used for which tasks, your not going to know right off the bat.
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practicallyrational- ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:49:27 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So, if your name isn't on the title of something you use every day, you are totally absolved of all maintenance responsibilities?
msbrooklyn ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 14:08:48 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
After 18 years of being alive you would think some common sense had developed. At least you've seen a bathroom be cleaned before, something.
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 14:11:25 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Cleaning is typically a household chore. If someone can go 18 years without knowing how to clean a bathroom you could probably infer that they don't really know much about cleaning and further still infer the quality of their work ethic.
Leftberg ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:11:04 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yo man, the Smash gotta smash, nawmsayin'?
a1waysAFK ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:21:32 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
assistant to the manager
altiuscitiusfortius ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:16:24 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well you were in charge of training him to know how. Did you provide him with adequate instruction, maybe some reference material, and follow up with him midway in the process to see if he had any questions?
Or did you say, go clean that bathroom, and then get back to staring at the cute girls by the slushie machine?
asimplescribe ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:16:45 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Where the fuck is learning how to sanitize a public bathroom a requirement for high school graduation?
ghostpoopftw ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:34:04 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I doubt I know how to clean a restaurant or business bathroom up to code. You need to teach people before you expect them to know how to do something properly. I'm sure he was shitty though..
DracoOculus ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:28:54 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I mean, did you at least get a complaint from a customer about the flirting or did you go full nazi?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:37:25 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe he just didn't care
flashcats ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 13:53:04 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't think the kid you fired cared about getting fired.
What's the point of your story?
msbrooklyn ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 13:56:23 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
High school kids are not always suited for the workplace.
flashcats ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 14:06:17 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well yeah. I mean, its a temp job with no lasting impact on their life. Of course they don't care.
IrrelevantLeprechaun ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:09:15 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If you didn't even give a verbal explanation of the general guidelines of cleaning the bathroom, that's more your failing as the person responsible for training him. If he does it wrong, show him the right way. Don't just fire him. If you don't think he knows how, how will be ever learn if you don't tell him? You just sound like you went on an egotistical power trip to me.
msbrooklyn ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:46:46 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I didn't make the final decision to fire him, my manager did. This wasn't his only incident either, as I mentioned he spent quite a bit of time fraternizing with customers. He also took hours to do simple tasks like sweeping and mopping, then his jobs were still incomplete or incorrect. I had to explain to him the mop had to be squeezed out so it was damp and not dripping, over and over again. I had to follow him around constantly correcting him or puddles would be left everywhere and the floor would take hours to dry. If you can't learn how to mop after a week, you're going to be fired.
Wasaur ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:17:13 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So there was more to the story, probably should've included this in the main post, as now it reads like you were in charge of training, yet didn't train the guy and then he was fired because of he wasn't trained to do something.
SirNarwhal ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 15:02:51 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If you're at a place that has fucking slushie machines, you're just being a douchebag to that kid stuck in a dead end position who is actually having fun with it. Like, yes, make sure he's cleaning properly, but it sounds like you just hate him since he still has potential opportunities whereas you don't.
Bryvin ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:26:58 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Found the cool kid
[deleted] ยท 49 points ยท Posted at 14:06:45 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
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superjack022 ยท 50 points ยท Posted at 14:57:56 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Recommending someone for counseling based off a response to a meme? You might need counseling yourself friend.
Peaches_ndPears ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 15:57:18 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Fuck all of you
alander4 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:36:38 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Recommending someone for counseling based off a response to a response to a meme? You might need counseling yourself pal.
dargscisyhp ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:22:51 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Recommending someone for counseling based off a response to a to a response to a response to a meme? You might need counseling yourself guy.
urbanpsycho ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:24:15 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I need counseling.
PoppaTroll ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 16:10:20 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Recommending someone for counseling based off a response to a meme? You might need counseling yourself pal.
BobDeSteppelo ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:50:16 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I love what people seize onto when commenting. I had a post about buying lotto tickets when the Powerball was over half a billion dollars, and because I commented that I bought five tickets instead of just one some jackwagon declared that I was a degenerate gambler with addiction problems.
KingArya30 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:14:04 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Recommending someone for counseling based on them recommending someone for counseling based off a meme?
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 15:25:42 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
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KingArya30 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:49:25 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
you're quite aggressive and sassy
HerbaliteShill ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:13:05 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He probably needs counseling.
dedom19 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 14:29:00 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
wut...
HyperlinkToThePast ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 12:23:45 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"Get over it bro"
BeHereNow91 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:03:02 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
OP is secretly one of the Gang from Philly.
KingArya30 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:14:50 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
OP was a golden god in highschool
LeCrushinator ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:19:01 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I remember the day after high school graduation, it really hit me that I wouldn't be seeing almost any of those people again, and how utterly useless popularity was.
rahul55 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:50:23 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Why does he need counseling for that? It's not like he's sitting in a dark room by himself feeling scorn, he has to deal with their shit when he trains them. High schoolers are basically coming out of opposite world when they enter the private workforce. They lived their entire lives in a place where hard work doesn't really have consequences beyond good grades and all you need for happiness is sexual appeal, lol.
math-yoo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:44:56 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
People with very little power often wield it as if it is the most powerful thing in the world. A person who is comfortable with themselves doesn't need to settle twenty year old scores with imaginary mean people.
soundsaboutWRIGHT ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:38:07 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
At this point he probably just thinks of them as snotty little brats. But to be honest when I see high school kids now they all look the same to me. No one looks like a nerd, no one looks like a jock, and no one looks popular or unpopular. They all look identical.
Itroll4love ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:40:10 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Uncle Rico
RemyRemjob ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:43:56 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I can't tell if OP holds disdain for those with popularity, or if it he's talking about the hierarchical structure at work that some immature, "popular", highschooler might not understand.
calimonter ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:46:00 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Fuck that. It's called being little pricks and it gets annoying.
-Mikee ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:49:53 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't think the post suggested scorn in any way.
It just pokes fun at adolescent ignorance.
Melotonius ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:52:35 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm fifty and I resent people from high school. It makes me happy that they have gone on to become balding, overweight dads in baseball caps and cargo shorts who have been stripped of their former glory. Time is the great equalizer.
hardtobeuniqueuser ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:53:42 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
it's intern season at my office, i assumed what he's feeling is not scorn for the cool kids but disgust for the lack of any responsibility or ambition many of this generation have. a lot of them seem to think that because they were a big deal in their high school they are set for life and don't actually need to learn anything or work hard.
pronounverbnoun ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:58:18 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Eh. I'm 22 and I work with high school kids and it's crazy to see how they think their popularity affects their job status. If they're more popular, they get pissy if they are told to do something in the back (not interacting with customers) and they also boss EVERYONE around. It's annoying.
Voodoobones ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:12:05 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And here you are bullying the nerd.
maxToTheJ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:20:45 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
To be fair. There arent many "good" jobs where you would be training new hires right out of high school .
nate800 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:20:52 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Where do you see any hatred? Jesus get a grip
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:38:47 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Play nice with the old guys and they'll help you avoid the mistakes most people make.
Act like a douche, and we'll let you figure out those mistakes for yourself.
Not because we're vindictive, but because we don't want to deal with your stupid ass.
Merlunie ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:49:28 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I graduated a year ago. Some of the kids I graduated with think that shit like that transfers to other things. In college I know kids who talk about shit they did in high school and it's just weird. Kids like that, that peak in high school, tend to think that they're indestructible and can do whatever they want. I'm just saying, the amount of disrespect I see my peers dish out is unreal.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:55:34 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Or it could be, you know, a joke...
EchoRadius ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:11:16 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Realizing your high school crap doesn't fly in the work place this summer? You need job counseling.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:17:52 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I can't understand what you're saying with your mouth full of all that ass.
overthetop88 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:19:11 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
he works with them.
gloryday23 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:21:24 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This was my first thought as well, the title should have read: As a 38 year old, that STILL isn't over high school.
Whales96 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:41:02 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You never grow out of getting enjoyment from seeing someone robbed of all the social advantages they had in life and brought to learn humility.
beepborpimajorp ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:05:34 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
those damned teenagers/young 20somethings not having the maturity of a grown ass adult. what a world, I tell you.
one-hour-photo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:10:01 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
and that's why the jocks have won. Even if you do better than them you are still obsessed with their life. which means they still occupy real estate which means that they win.
troway0912 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:38:17 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
this is how a lot of reddit seems to deal with their adolescence. they have to constantly remind themselves that highschool didnt matter, while constantly talking about highschool, and how it didnt matter!
30-40 years old, trust me man, none of them are bitter, theyre just so happy with how their life is now that they like to remind themselves and everyone else that highschool was stupid and means nothing in the big picture and doesnt play a large part in your social development and clearly self esteem over the years. they definitely dont dwell on it now!
oh yea and they definitely dont stalk old highschool classmates on facebook and get all happy when they see that one is working a shitty job or that the girl they crushed on if they were a guy, or idolized as a girl, ended up fat with 3 kids and a dead end job. highschool doesnt matter guys! i read it on reddit all the time! the more you talk about how much it didnt matter, the less it hurts you!
theres often threads about "what do you miss most about childhood/teens/highschool" in different forms. in every example, there are extremely high rated comments along the lines of "nothing. i can drink, have sex, do drugs and eat whatever i want for dinner now. adulthood is awesome!!!" i just picture them sobbing softly while typing it out. they cant let their guard down and entertain the idea that being a carefree child as a teen was awesome for a lot of people. block it out and pretend its not real. adulthood is awesome!! i can watch porn in my underwear on the big screen guys, and buy beer !!
kepners ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:39:18 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You made a douche comment.
BostonTERRORier ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:41:43 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
haha poor guy still so bent over high school
RadSpaceWizard ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:52:00 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You sound like one of those "it was just a joke" bullies.
Arachnatron ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:36:19 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Found the angsty recent highschool graduate.
In all seriousness, I hope you're joking. I mean, counseling for making a funny meme?
natephant ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:51:23 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If you've ever been in a position where you're responsible for hiring or training kids right out of highschool you would know what he's talking about.
I'd even extend it to a good deal of college grads too, especially if they were in a frat or on a sports team.
They still think it's a cool kids club where it's acceptable to act like an idiot.
WutangCND ยท -12 points ยท Posted at 13:44:54 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My first thought, honestly dude... Move on.
Upvote_To_The_Left ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 14:18:44 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No he doesn't. cocky high schoolers need to be put in their place. Plus it feels good. You are a stupid person.
oncewrittentwiceshy ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 14:37:33 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Found the bully.
dank_memeologist_420 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 14:37:56 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Found the kid who got bullied in high school. So what happen, did you convince your self it was your fault or something? :^)
barak181 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 14:44:24 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Or maybe he finds the overweening attitude and sense of entitlement to be grating.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 14:52:36 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Lol exactly my thoughts. He did say he was a nerd.
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 14:21:15 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 14:27:48 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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Stompedyourhousewith ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 13:45:56 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
or people in their 20's and sometimes early 30's who still act like they're still in a high school cool kid group.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:51:29 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Like OP?
luke_at_work ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:03:42 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Am I the only one that thinks that maybe OP just finds the behavior amusing and isn't some bitter nerd who lays in bed at night fantasizing about getting back at his high school bullies? Maybe OP was a cool kid in school and had to overcome the same thing. Maybe now he relates these new employees.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:36:03 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Got a new guy where I work that has a real superiority complex. He's fresh to the field, first paying gig.
Look buddy, I don't care if you had your Internship in Toronto, you ain't in Taronna no mo'. Bring it down a peg.
killbot0224 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:40:25 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Where I'm from it's pronounced "T'ranna" lol
My dad always asks me "How are things down in T'ranna?"
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:47:21 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Haha, yup, that sounds about right.
Trying to type how I intentionally mispronounce something was more challenging than I expected.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:25:41 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Two of the 'cool kids' at my job were just fired. They thought it was fine to call off 1-2 times a week even though they just started a month ago.
PrickBrigade ยท 73 points ยท Posted at 13:44:34 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You sound like a well adjusted individual.
Nirvz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:23:43 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
he's still butthurt from when he was picked on as a teen
BassLineBums ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 16:28:28 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Once had a high schooler try to use a fake id to get into the bar. After I called him out and didn't let him in he tried to convince me to let him in by telling me he played varsity football.
jonathan88876 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:52:09 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I've had my varsity SOCCER status get me alcohol and tobacco in my town before, but this was in a small town, so...
shf500 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:36:47 on June 1, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Did you let him in afterwards?
Knotfloyd ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 18:33:05 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If any set of comments exposes the demographic of Reddit, it's this one.
postmoderncoyote ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 19:07:13 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Smug bastards. The seniors made me cry. I'm a substitute teacher. They need life to kick them in the butt.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:14:53 on June 1, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Dawn am sorry to hear that . I hope your not majoring in education .
Detlef_Schrempf ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 17:49:05 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You've been out of college for 20 years and you're still bitter about it. Time to move on, dude.
Lord_of__the_Fries ยท 47 points ยท Posted at 12:39:56 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I used to manage a restaurant. I used to love being the first one to burst the bubble of a kid that clearly didn't have any chores or any responsibilities and show them what work felt like. Especially the day they came in after calling in "sick" the night before. "When do I get a break?" "After you put the order away." Their face when they see a stack of boxes of food. Then tell they have to rotate the boxes based on freshness. Then hopefully the timing works out so the bag & paper company deliver comes just as they finished.
upsanddownes ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:11:47 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Md
shifty_coder ยท -61 points ยท Posted at 13:16:17 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, because OSHA regulation don't apply when you're slighted by a teenager. You show him.
Chip_Clydesdale ยท 31 points ยท Posted at 13:39:55 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Someone has never worked in a restaurant.
Bartley_the_Shopkeep ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 13:51:56 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Clearly. Working in restaurants was one of the reasons it took me so long to quit smoking. Only way to get an extra five minute break now and then
brianbrianbrian ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 14:08:58 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Almost started smoking because of that shit.
shifty_coder ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 13:57:45 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Just as bad, I worked in retail for ten years. The company I worked for had two 15min paid breaks, and a 1hour unpaid lunch for an eight hour shift. Preventing an employee from taking those breaks, or coercing them to avoid taking their breaks (even in an at-will employment state), is a violation of OSHA regulations and will land the employer in hot water.
I see complaints from workers in restaurants like this all the time. YOU have rights as an employee, regardless of your employer. YOU are not disposable, and cannot be terminated for asserting YOUR rights. If you are aware that your employer is violating your, our your coworker's employee rights, or ANY labor law, it is YOUR responsibility to report them to OSHA.
Don't be afraid your assert your rights as an employee.
BirdsNoSkill ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 14:06:10 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You aren't legally obligated to one if you are a FOH worker though in my state here in TN. Tipped employees are treated differently.
voteferpedro ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 14:19:40 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You are incorrect per OSHA.
"The Occupational Safety and Health Administration does not require employers to give employees rest or lunch breaks, because breaks -- or lack thereof -- do not generally constitute a health or safety issue. Meals and breaks are typically considered to be a labor negotiation or collective bargaining agreement between employer and labor unions"
shifty_coder ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:28:14 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This applies to the offering of breaks. You are correct, an employer is not obligated to offer breaks. However an employer cannot OFFFER breaks, and then NOT ALLOW an employee to take them. Walmart lost a class action lawsuit in 2014 for not compensating employees for all hours worked and the rest breaks they were entitled to.
voteferpedro ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:10:32 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That was for violating state laws, not federal ones. States can offer stricter protections like in CA or less like they do in TX. Federal as they are now are guide frames.
Dyson201 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 14:07:12 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I've worked in both restaurants and retail. They are different worlds. Also, I don't know where you get your information from, but you're only mandated an unpaid break if you work over 6 hours. Union employees usually get more breaks mandated by their union, but what he and all restaurants do is perfectly legal.
ChickinSammich ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:26:50 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The downside is, the employees who "assert their rights" quickly find that their hours get cut, and they're the first ones to get sent home early when it's not busy.
I've known people who worked in food service/retail and stood up for their rights when their employer violated OSHA standards. Next thing they know, their schedule is now two six hour shifts in a week. And half the time, they'll call you on one of those days, 30 mins before your shift starts, and tell you they don't need you that day.
They may not fire you, but they'll cut your hours to the point that you'll want to quit on your own.
Chip_Clydesdale ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:40:48 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Oh, I assure you. I get my breaks. I'll stand with all the people smoking cigarettes just as long as them. Just because I don't smoke doesn't mean I don't get a break.
chintzy ยท 35 points ยท Posted at 13:26:52 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
In my state employers are not required to provide breaks, just unpaid meal periods for shifts over six hours.
However, if any position within the business is offered paid breaks then all employees must be allowed breaks. Breaks are still subject to manager approval.
Welcome to the real world. Most states are also employment at will, which means employees can be fired without notice for any reason not protected by federal law (race, gender, etc.).
bikersquid ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 14:05:07 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
no break laws at all in my state. 8-12 hours no break completely normal.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:32:01 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Some business owners believe that it is imperative to give (or force, even) your employees regular breaks, because it maximizes productivity and morale. Depends on the type of work, I suppose.
Sonicjms ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 13:55:11 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
FTFY
sammmuel ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 14:02:41 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Eh seen similar shit in Canada. So clearly not just the US.
tjcharlier ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:21:04 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not even close
sammmuel ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:26:11 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well I live I'm Canada and it has been my experience and the experience of a lot around me when I used to work warehouse or minimum wage jobs, despite the fact that the laws say otherwise. It's not because the laws regarding this are better that they are followed much more.
RyanOver ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:12:53 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No it's not..
Sonicjms ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:43:52 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Canada is where I live and looked up, not nearly the same edit: Most firings are "without cause" in Canada and therefor notice or pay in lieu required
sammmuel ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:49:02 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Looked up where? The laws? I know the laws and of course what you'd find is different and likely better. But who cares about the laws in this case? You assume all minimum wage employers give a shit. They don't and you end up often without a break. One of those case where looking up the theory won't tell you much about whats happening in the "real" world. Most minimum wage employees don't know their rights and employers know it. And even if they knew, two 15 min breaks + 30 min unpaid lunch (what the law prescribes for an 8 hours shift) is not worth fighting your employer for for most people.
kare_kano ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:23:16 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's common all over the world. Not everybody is employed officially, with paperwork to prove it.
FieelChannel ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 14:06:44 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What i was thinking reading the comment, lol.
Tundru ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:32:18 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Glad I don't work in America. In Canada you're required to have two 15min breaks and one 30min break if your shift is over 6 hours
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:42:08 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
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Tundru ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:43:48 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
From my experience in Ontario and Alberta
supterfuge ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:57:58 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This isn't "the real world", this id America. Many other countries have long forbidden these kind of treatments of employees.
Agentwise ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 13:54:10 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
When I worked at a grocery store I actually found the opposite to be true. Usually you're popular in High School for a reason that helps in a low paying job.
CyborgWeasel ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 14:01:25 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Actually yes, it does. Social skills are useful everywhere.
5k3k73k ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 14:42:05 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My wife is a supervisor in a call center. Most of her team are young adults that are not long out of highschool. It is amazing how entitled some of these people can be. A common trend is that they expect their employer to transport them to and from work.
Many of them want to advance but they can't even show up for work on time (or at all). When my wife informs them that attendance is one of the first metrics management will consider they are baffled. They simply can't comprehend why an employer would look at their past performance.
killbot0224 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:43:33 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Wait what?
SnickerDoodleKing ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:38:53 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No meme has ever summarized my work life more accurately
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:15:40 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't know about you guys, but I read this in the High Sparrows voice, I feel he'd make the better meme.
XAssassinH3ROX ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:16:58 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
As a Colorado kid. Whenever I get new hires, the ones working solely for weed money are worse imo
xts2500 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:59:22 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
When I was in the Air Force there was a group of us sitting outside the chow hall one day (which were connected to the dorms) and a young, very obviously new one-striper walked past us wearing his letterman's jacket. I wonder how long it took him to realize that lettering in sports probably made him cool in high school, but wearing that jacket on a military base was like taking the express train to dorkville.
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 14:34:51 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I can't speak for other fields, but in IT, there is the on-paper hierarchy, and the real hierarchy. The on-paper hierarchy is owner, CEO, CIO, Division Manager, Group Manager, Team Lead, Rank and File, FNG. The true hierarchy however, starts with the person who can understand the issue and create the best solution. They are also likely the person who has been at the company or in the industry long enough to understand what they and others can and can't get away with... If people are coming to your for solutions, (and it's not because you're bad at getting relevant info out there) that's the popularity that matters.
Guy_Without_pants ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 16:57:56 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Actually, yeah it does. Outgoing, energetic, and willing to learn are qualities that attract people in any industry. If they suck, that's one thing, but you just seem like a 4channer that got stuck training newbies at your job. So now you're making a meme to show off on the internet for fake popularity points. Funny how that works.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 18:49:13 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
As someone who's only ever worked in IT, I've found that people who are truly intelligent are also capable of wit, confidence, style and other socially weighted factors. Being capable in one tiny area of expertise isn't malleable intelligence. It's being knowledgeable as opposed to being smart.
If you can figure out system architecture you should be able to figure out how to exercise, look good and present yourself in a manner which people will be drawn to.
The14thWarrior ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:20:06 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This statement right here
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:17:19 on June 1, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
But I look like cheick Tiote . There isn't much I can do in the looks department .
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:35:00 on June 1, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-Gy1V7IBIU3Y/VCmCmXSsbfI/AAAAAAAA5LI/laZ9v-tCbG4/s1600/Cheick-Tiote.jpg
angusshangus ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 14:23:51 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You're 38 and still bitter about high school?
locotxwork ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:03:47 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
OP could have been popular in high school (like I was). And through hard reality check, I learned that didn't mean shit. So I think the meme holds.
Starterjoker ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 16:05:20 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
also working a job with high schoolers?
crmpicco ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 14:45:32 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Just chEKT, you got REKT
kevlarcupid ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 14:45:05 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
/r/justneckbeardthings
locotxwork ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 15:05:20 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Uh, OP could have been popular in high school too ya know. I was popular in high school and learned a hard lesson that it doesn't mean shit in the real world. Now real world/business industry popularity is a different story.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:33:50 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah it's one of those life lessons. Less popular, snarky kids learn not to judge someone just because they're cool or preppy, because in the real world some of the most real motherfuckers might seem shallow at first.
Everyone gets these kinds of lessons I feel. Grade school is a very artificial place. Most of history kids weren't secluded together, they were blended in with adults.
[deleted] ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 13:58:57 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Way to let it go. Glad you've moved on
Saso7 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:24:04 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I gave up hiring summer help I spend more time baby sitting them then if I just did the work myself.
DirtySperrys ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 14:57:16 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe you should give better interviews then so you stop hiring trash employees.
mikeluscher159 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:01:20 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Why not hire the high school nerds?
TheMightySusquehanna ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:09:07 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Nor does it much beyond high school... Unless you live in a small town that no one gets out of.
floortomselleck ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:11:26 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I feel like lots of people become teachers for this very reason.
lagspike ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:23:48 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
except for the girls with big tits
they will always have power by default
pjr032 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:57:22 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Realistically aside from high school- where DOES high school popularity have any power?
Don_Julio_Acolyte ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:17:02 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Kinda how I felt moving from the military to the civilian world.
Your captain bars have no power here.
ChellzBells ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:44:01 on June 1, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I watched my boss interview a man in a full tuxedo. I applaud his efforts, but prom king did not get the job.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:45:15 on June 1, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well popularity often stems from people skills and confidence, which can be super useful in the work environment.
[deleted] ยท 23 points ยท Posted at 12:18:56 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
How to win friends and influence people by dale Carnegie
Give it a read, you would definitely benefit. As would most
rkschmidt11 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 14:03:24 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The only person I know who did Dale Carnegie classes was a total twat and nobody liked him. Then again, it could have been user error. Anybody else able to speak to its validity?
Backstop ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 14:32:11 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It depends on why the person is using Carnegie-type methods. Are they trying to make a sale? Trying to manipulate other people into doing their bidding? Trying to come out of a long introverted period and make friends?
reid0 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:57:00 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The basic premise is: be nice and listen to what people have to say; also demonstrate that you have value.
You'd think it'd be difficult to go wrong with that but it sounds like the kid you knew managed to, which is impressive in its own way.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:36:03 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He was probably a twat before taking those classes... maybe he's slightly less so now. I found the book to be outdated and common sense stuff. Can't speak to the classes.
Tystero ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 00:34:43 on June 1, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I reckon it's for people who don't find the book to be 'common sense'.
SilverScythe3 ยท -26 points ยท Posted at 12:34:08 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Learning social skills from a book. Always a fool proof method.
[deleted] ยท 46 points ยท Posted at 13:27:33 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
you can actually learn alot from books!
Nowhere did I say you don't need to practice the application, and if you had ever read the book you would understand this.
Katastic_Voyage ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 14:04:25 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This is fucking hilarious that people are downvoting books. This is got to be one of my top-10 funniest threads this year.
Maybe if they get PewDiePie to comment on someone reading it, they'd watch it.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:59:43 on June 1, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Kids these days, mannnn
cucufag ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:07:22 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Worked for me.
I wouldn't say I was unsociable before, but I'm a lot better at it now. Of course experience is the best way to learn, but why not take some advice from our predecessors who want to hand down their experience too? That can come in all forms, including a book.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:21:57 on June 2, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well said. You should read this one, even though to probably already have haha
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 14:47:22 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Popular girl in high school got hired at my high school job and thought she could use her flirting skills to get people to do work for her. It was awesome watching her struggle to do actual work for months till she got semi good at her job.
dasfeesh ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 15:39:44 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Winner for the most generic made up statement goes to you, salty one
SuperWeegee4000 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 18:55:37 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
/r/nothingeverhappens
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 14:41:33 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
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PCToTheMax ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:19:53 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Unfortunately some of them marry rich and continue that bullshit attitude.
magic3383 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:40:51 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"I've never seen such a small amount of power go to someone's head."
RedRiverBlues ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:31:09 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Then you go home at 5 and play Warcraft. They go home and all have sex with each other. So, 1-all, right?
BrianDawkins ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 18:36:41 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
High schoolers having the same job as a 38 year old. I think they're winning here
onebadpoet ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 17:08:01 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What if I told you nerds are popular now.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:21:34 on June 1, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Not really attractive
buysguys with glasses & a college degree are popular . Nerds have been downgraded to the term neckbeard .LeCoolGuy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:58:14 on June 1, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I wish more people understood this. The word "nerd" has lost its meaning because of special snowflakes who want a label to make themselves seem "unique" and "quirky." Being a nerd has never been and never will be a good thing when it comes to socializing
RobbyDigital19 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 15:32:15 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The military is full of ex nerds on power trips at the higher ranks, I know and hate your type. Wish i could shove you in a locker and take your lunch money.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 14:34:05 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
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ifartsometimes ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 14:50:19 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
lol you'll see.
123fork ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:24:05 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
OP is a beta bitch, as we can see his job description at 38 years old is training 16 year olds for a job similar to his.
ChewyIsMyC0Pil0t ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:27:10 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, what a loser.
floate_ ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:06:41 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Sounds like you're the one who can't let go of High School.
daymanoooahah ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:18:07 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Why are you as a nerd even working in the same field as people who were popular? If you aren't a scientist, mathematician, or engineer as a nerd you fucked up.
ChewyIsMyC0Pil0t ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:26:12 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He's probably assistant manager at Walmart, and goes home and faps into his anime pillow at night.
Mr_Ballyhoo ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:39:42 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Must suck to still be working for Geek Squad Best Buy...
Gronkalicious ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:46:39 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Aw... OP still feels intimidated by kids with friends.
Peaches666 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:01:54 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You're 38 years old and training employees fresh out of highschool.
Yes clearly you've got it together.
shawski_jr ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:12:01 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Creamy meme bro
lolzsupbrah ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:13:10 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Training them for what?
chipotleninja ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:25:00 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm betting if she's 18 and was popular because of her huge rack, she still has some power.
nurb101 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:34:08 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
ITT: Nerds agree and highschoolers/college students don't like the real world.
TheBlackChair ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:37:26 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This meme contains no animal
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:05:16 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Nor does it contain advice.
thebdaman ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:23:43 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Are you 38 and still bitter? :D
meygaera ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:25:14 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I feel like Gen X nerds had it tougher than Millennial nerds, they also seem a bit saltier.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:10:24 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Holy cringe. Dude get a life.
ChewyIsMyC0Pil0t ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:24:51 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, it's pretty sad that a 38 year old is still salty about high school. He's probably the type of boss that takes out his failings in life on his employees.
Patches67 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:47:27 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Has anyone ever actually run into someone who had the attitude "I was a big deal in high school so I pretty much arbitrarily expect everybody here to suck my dick." -?
gearsofhalogeek ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 14:57:02 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I saw it a bunch when I first got out of high school myself, at minimum wage jobs.
locotxwork ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:59:45 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
ALL the time
boot20 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:13:05 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It was that way in fast food man. It was just stupid the amount of kids we'd get in that thought they could slide through life like they slid through high school.
I don't see it much anymore, now that I'm in the corporate world, but you find a minimum wage job and I'll bet you'll find those kids.
Draguss ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:01:51 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Everyone here talking about how pathetic op must be and I'm just sitting here giggling cause I actually imagined whatever that guy's name was saying this is the appropriate tone to a very confused Gandalf.
MikeyTheInfinite ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:18:33 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Because that's the condescending thinking a 38 year old can only revert to...
vinnyvinnyvinnyvinny ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:57:46 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Pathetic
FarmerTedd ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:37:31 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
*the majority of leddit
HisCoyMistress ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:32:48 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
/r/sadcringe
wishiwascooltoo ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:16:16 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They still know you're a huge loser and will mock you nonetheless. Also they're still fucking the hot girls and you're not.
starwarsfreak314 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:51:07 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Jokes on you, I wasn't popular in high school
Mattpat139 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:29:46 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
r/staples
Poprhetor ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:39:33 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"Popular" may not be a thing anymore, but so what? There's an obnoxious arrogance that belongs specifically to certain teens. It's very obvious and simply doesn't play outside of high school or maybe college dorm environments. When they try, it's pathetic and funny. At work, it's mostly annoying. Luckily, in my experience, most kids coming out of high school are pretty great.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:04:50 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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O_UName ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:20:08 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe my school is different, but most people I know in high school who were popular are also successful now... I mean they are not millionaires, but most have good jobs and seem happy.
But I think that is the nature of our world, popular people tend to be better at social networking, which is IMO pretty important to find a decent job.
Flippiddypoddypuss ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:03:50 on June 1, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I haven't eaten lunch with a coworker in 15 years.... Just always kind of disappear
Lollipop77 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:52:37 on June 1, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
OH my god today I started mentoring a new class and a girl who used to bully me horribly is in the class. I'd like to post this.
JoshuMertens ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:12:24 on June 1, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
got bullied in highschool, m8?
LutherJustice ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:37:11 on June 1, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Have some gd pride man. You should've stopped caring about this sort of shit 18 years ago
TheHawthorne ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:10:07 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Implying popularity wont get them further in their career than you.
Icanus ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:32:31 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
At your age you really shouldn't care about high school popularity anymore. Seriously, get a life buddy :ร
ballsackcancer ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:14:29 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What type of self-respecting nerd has a job at 38 where he still has to train new hires fresh out of high school?
Lgr777 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:29:18 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You sound kinda butthurt
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 14:36:56 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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locotxwork ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:00:26 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's something a new trainee would say
indoobitably ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 13:48:27 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Need to grow up dude
starmag99 ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 14:06:19 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
For all you know he could be the most grown up person on the planet.
indoobitably ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:18:49 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
'grown ups' making dank memes complaining about high school students, such maturity.
starmag99 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:23:40 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I present to you, grown men complaing about high school students!
indoobitably ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:25:38 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
whoa you just out meme'd me good sir
SuperWeegee4000 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:56:45 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
ITT: People taking a meme on the internet and playing armchair psychologist
vxx ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:13:03 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
I thought as a nerd you would appreciate my screenshot
Edit: I guess I should've drawn a big red circle around it
johnchapel ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:31:58 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
A lot of you guys shitting on OP don't get it.
Basically, OP should have left "nerd" out, because its irrelevant. It's basically we're adults now, and these kids aren't yet aware that the real world doesn't give a shit how popular they were in high school. It means nothing. The only thing it amounts, once theyre done with high school is annoying us adults who personally clash with them because they don't understand why they arent the alpha dog with us.
bury_the_boy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:11:55 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Seriously - outside of high school, people are just people bruh
Femiwhore ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 14:23:36 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
OP has autism and is taking out his High School frustrations on interns who had nothing to do with it. You can see it all over the workplace, especially with fat, middle-aged female managers.
kyle1867 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:09:13 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They bullied you in highschool, now you attempt to bully them in the workplace.
[deleted] ยท -22 points ยท Posted at 13:14:49 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 14:02:02 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Implying highschool friends mean anything.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 14:20:45 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I have gotten jobs through contacts I had in school.
Katastic_Voyage ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 14:06:03 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Until they move away and realize those "super strong bonds" were just convenience and proximity.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 14:06:53 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
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Hara-Kiri ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:29:11 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Of course I care about how many friends I have, I like to have an active social life.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 14:51:40 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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Woopty_Woop ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:15:21 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's like people forgot post history is a thing.
But from 2 years ago? That's some dedication to shittin on 'em.
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 19:11:41 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Sigh...
No, grown ups don't care about how many friends they have. Obviously they still want friends, but they do not care if it's 2 friends or 8. Besides, if you have more than 10 "friends" chances are a bunch of them aren't true friends. Just because you sometimes hang out doesn't mean that they'll be ready to help you out in times of need.
Then to your second point. First of all you take a post I made in December of 2013. Surprise surprise, a lot has happened in two and a half years. Second, sex has little to do with the amount of friends you have. You (usually) don't have sex with your friends, you do it with your SO, a ONS or "friend" with benefits (usually not a real friend, just a sex partner). Third, you're really showing your age and insecurities by trying to use someones sex life as an insult. Newsflash: there is no objective measure for what is a "pathetic" sex life. Some people want it every day, others can go a few months without and there is nothing wrong with that. You'll understand when you're older kid.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:30:19 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:00:11 on June 1, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not calling you a kid to be condescending. I'm calling you a kid because it's obvious you are a kid. I'm guessing around 16 from the way you talk. If you're older you have a lot of maturing left to do.
And yes, around 10 friends is about the limit for amount of true friends people can have. Any more and chances are a good portion of them are casual friendships formed out of convenience. If you're an adult with a full time job and possibly a spouse and a kid to look after you simply won't have the time to uphold many more friendships.
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 14:19:53 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Having a strong friendship network as an adult is hugely important. "It's not what you know, it's who you know." is a real thing that alot of people don't seem to be able to grasp the concept of.
cstatbstat ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:05:34 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
this is just sad lol
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:19:49 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Wow, you must have a sad life.
notITnotIT ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:41:03 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Someone wasn't popular in high school was he?
thedurs ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 22:35:54 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Sounds like you never really left high school... Look at me im the bully now
Tundru ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 14:34:18 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
ITT: butthurt teenagers
locotxwork ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 15:00:59 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
ITT:
butthurtass teenagers[deleted] ยท -8 points ยท Posted at 13:47:20 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Guessing this attitude is what made you unpopular in school.
[deleted] ยท -30 points ยท Posted at 13:43:43 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hate to be the one to break the news to you, but if you're 38 years old, and still working in a role that involves interacting with high school age coworkers, you're the joke here.
Blue_5ive ยท 32 points ยท Posted at 13:47:59 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I mean, training summer interns at a corporation isn't really that unheard of.
Katastic_Voyage ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 14:05:47 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's almost like interns are supposed to interact with professionals to gain experience!
Blue_5ive ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 14:10:30 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's a crazy thought.
Koss424 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:22:46 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It not exactly the most coveted role of any organization.
Blue_5ive ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:36:18 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It could be part of responsibilities. As a software engineer I have to do some training of the new hires. Same could go for interns.
CountryTimeLemonlade ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:19:21 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I finally saw you outside collegebasketball. Hot damn
Blue_5ive ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:32:09 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
/r/cars and /r/subaru I pop up on but r/cbb is where my heart lives.
kick6 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 14:07:54 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It is if "intern" is a high schooler.
Blue_5ive ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:10:06 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So you're telling me companies don't have high school interns? My high school had an option for an internship as electives. This wasn't a major corporation but a smaller local company where I did tech support. There are definitely high school interns.
They're not (I wasn't) a paid intern, I just needed stuff to get on my resume and I got to leave school at lunch so it was a double bonus.
kick6 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:42:15 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'd struggle to call that an internship. But it probably fits the dictionary definition. I think a more apt description is a "summer job."
Blue_5ive ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:54:28 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Is it really a job if it's unpaid though?
kick6 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:31:16 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
no, but is it really an internship either?
Blue_5ive ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:37:10 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Unpaid internships are a thing. Not only in high school too
brijjen ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 14:04:49 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So all teachers, small business owners and people who manage internships are jokes? Ooookaaayyyy...
MisterZaremba ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 14:42:55 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He could be a corporate trainer for a company that hires HS kids (unskilled labor). I mean, it's not the pinnacle of the career but you can make a decent living doing it.
HokieScott ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:28:10 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Agree. I have worked in a call center (Back-office data guy to show where things ae working/not and metrics for the team-leads) - The trainers there always had a new class of just-out of HS kids. Many would wonder why they couldn't TALK on their phones during a training class when taking a call from a live customer.
One thought it was BS, said "Wendy's let me!" and left.
MisterZaremba ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:22:30 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I trained finance people. Investment bank analyst new hires (just out of college kids) but also on the buy-side so people who worked directly for portfolio managers (sometimes I'd even train the managers themselves). The analysts were the worst, I'd take HS kids any day of the week.
DryPersonality ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:06:23 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hate to break the news to you, but you are an asshole.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:13:16 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
and you're a dick
supterfuge ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 14:58:46 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
How ?
[deleted] ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 13:46:10 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I would call him a joke for making fun of them. But seriously you are calling him a joke for interacting with them?
WutangCND ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 13:47:09 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Rekt
jazinho ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 14:32:29 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Still has some power it appears.
astralboy15 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:16:20 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It beat you up enough inside that you felt you needed to make this meme as a form of validation.
Cameltotem ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:28:31 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ahh the opposite bullying! :)
Be a better man and don't push him around cause a "jock" bullied you back in the days.
7a50n ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:36:24 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Actually their ability to assimilate, socially adapt, & make connections with coworkers & supervisors will serve them quite well.
There are tons of less capable managers that literally got their power based almost purely off the social training being popular provided.
actual_factual_bear ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:22:12 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So... you were Thรฉoden under the control of Wormtongue trying to badmouth the newcomers Gandalf.... that didn't go so well in the movie.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:06:02 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
haha kids think their friendships will last beyond high school, how fucking stupid can they get??
chaosfire235 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:42:48 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Someone must've had a sad time at highschool then.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:07:02 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
it was an american high school. so naturally, i got shot.
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 13:41:00 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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starmag99 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:06:32 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Elaborate pl0x?
soonerzen14 ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 14:35:27 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I dunno. It's kind of sad that at 38 you would still dwell on that kind of thing. I mean they are probably just out of high school and don't quite get it yet, but you....you've been out for some time. Maybe it's time to get some therapy to deal with those long festering issues.
killbot0224 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:44:52 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Is he dwelling, or just laughing, and sharing his amusement with us?
HighlySaltedPork ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 15:26:03 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
>being a petty butthurt loser at 38
>taking this out on kids
What a winner ๐๐
SuperWeegee4000 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:56:13 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
analgesic1986 ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 15:17:19 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It will once they get settled and you get outcasted for being a dick.
[deleted] ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 14:06:26 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Someone is bitter
harsh_day ยท -6 points ยท Posted at 14:01:49 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Wait until they all band against you with their superior social skills.
N8CCRG ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 14:35:01 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't even understand how one could theoretically attempt to bring high school popularity into a workplace.
ifartsometimes ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:49:31 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
they do try.
N8CCRG ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:54:24 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Like how?
"Hey, can you make some copies of this document?"
"Did you hear about what Becky said to Evan last week?! OMG!"
"Uh... about those copies..."
ifartsometimes ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:03:24 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"I'm gonna be late".. just because.. doesn't give reason this happened multiple times a week. Comes in smiling.
I can't do that, no one taught me. could ___ do it instead? she knows how to do it.
I love when they are too stupid to figure out who actually holds power in the company and they suck up to the wrong person. My male coworker from a different department has no power in this department and his department requires advance degrees to work in. So no he's not hiring.
she lasted 2 months. I'm sure her ability to fix her make up 2-3 times a day will be valuable somewhere not here but somewhere.
N8CCRG ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:13:35 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This sounds like just someone who is bad at a job, and maybe they were popular. How are they trying to apply being popular to the workplace?
ifartsometimes ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:17:23 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
no a person whose bad tries. This isn't trying.. you'll learn the difference.
Siethron ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 14:50:29 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Still bitter eh?
me too thanks
evenios ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 15:18:26 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
yeah i dont get the whole popularity bs kids thinking oooh i is popular in high school . so what? thats the problem also with facebook the "popularity" bs never ends. people who have a thousand friends and what. how many of them do they actually know or talk to? not many. people try to add me on facebook all the time i dont know and if i dont know them locally or whatever or if they dont usually talk to me i dont add them. just happend last night where an attractive woman added me on facebook knew a friend of mine but turns out shes like in another state and i never knew her....(and is married) no thanks lol.
Seliniae2 ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 15:35:31 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Get over it...
LaPologne ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 19:25:01 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
In my country people with good grades are just those who take part in various activities, sports included and those antisocial are loosers that just play video games, have bad grades and no future so I don't know why it's different in USA that idiot is treated better.
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 19:42:00 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Beta as fuck.
Ragnalypse ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 22:07:21 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So you're one level above entry-level, non-degree-holding kids?
m4rkoh ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 03:40:32 on June 1, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Wow, that stupid social shit from high school would have been decades old by now for you. Let that fucking shit go, dude.
helenofcanada ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:48:52 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Unless your job is strictly BOH, you actually do need popular people. Anyone in sales or pretty much anything forward facing needs people skills.
tadpoleloop ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:01:06 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I always find this meme ironic since Gandalf in fact did have enough power to wrest Eomer from the power of Saruman
Jabulon ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:15:47 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
that passive aggression tho
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:56:22 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Why do you even care anymore?
M_Allen108 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:46:26 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
In fact it's revenge for your species :P
ifeelabityes ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:08:38 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
XTC ygv
boarhog ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:22:26 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Said right before Gandalf stripped him of his power.
Pdxdabs ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 22:11:57 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yet they can beat you up and steal your girl if you had one
stromboliking ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 23:23:56 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You made a post about it so that has to count for something
inhumancannonball ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 16:02:08 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
At least you're not bitter
brightstarblack ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 16:06:08 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You need to look really deep inside and let go of all that nonsense. Should have learned to see the bullshit for what it is.
Sneakylikegodzilla ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 14:04:07 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Just got to thinking, does this meme really work considering Gandalf did actually have the power? So whatever this meme is aimed towards actually has the power? I over think things....
Davethe3rd ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 15:34:50 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Wow, you're pretty pathetic to still hold a grudge from High School against kids you don't even know 20 years after you graduated...
You are old enough to be those kids' parents, you realize that?
Ralphie25 ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 15:48:54 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I was popular in high school and I am 41 now....talk shit to me and I give you a wedgie nerd.
[deleted] ยท -8 points ยท Posted at 18:06:45 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Must be nice to feel you're finally getting revenge as a 38 year old man, grow up
McAwesomeBoss ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 14:23:28 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Wow, how did they recover from that scathing burn?
locotxwork ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:04:03 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
monkey blood
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 14:50:23 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What do you do that has you training teenagers??
gearsofhalogeek ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:55:54 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Minimum wage I bet.
upsanddownes ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 16:11:37 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
VBenghazi ova ugly patronage
vagina_fang ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 02:03:03 on June 1, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Dude you haven't gotten over that shit?
HereWeGoHawks ยท -7 points ยท Posted at 20:34:09 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The fact that you are training HS students means you probably haven't done too well for yourself... so...
Barfuzio ยท -7 points ยท Posted at 14:02:50 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
But I bet there's one you wouldn't mind sticking it to...they still own you.
rickmuscles ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 15:26:56 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This guy fucks.
RadleyCoopSound ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 15:42:40 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
OP This one's for you: https://youtu.be/moSFlvxnbgk
[deleted] ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 16:04:21 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Engage operation mess with the new guy in really subtle ways that drives them insane..
upsanddownes ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 16:05:04 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Kushmzc k I gct grow hag l vim can I
laughs_at_things_ ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 17:25:35 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
except if its a retail job and being popular gave them good people skills
[deleted] ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 18:30:06 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You want to fuck one or two of them....I guarantee it.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:18:24 on June 1, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They r all dudes .
the_good_dr ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 19:02:35 on May 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Somebody never grew up.