Curae ยท 2678 points ยท Posted at 19:46:46 on May 30, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Just a guess, but a lit-up phone stands out more + it's easier to see what is happening on the screen. So the officer can see you're recording. If they do have malicious intent you don't want them to see it, it stands out less with a darker screen.
Kind of fucked up that you'd need to hide that from the cop. Kinda fucked up you have to record at all.
Curae ยท 1096 points ยท Posted at 22:12:20 on May 30, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
I luckily live in a country where recording isn't needed. Even when people get verbally abusive here the cops diffuse the situation verbally, I've never seen a cop pull a gun.
Meanwhile my uncle has had a gun against his head when he got pulled over in America... (Like, decades ago btw) What he did? Well, he was speeding and when the cop walked over he got out of his car. That's the normal thing to do where we are from. You get out of your car, exchange names, and you hand over your papers. I couldn't imagine living in a place where cops are people you should or could be afraid of...
Fredex8 ยท 290 points ยท Posted at 00:08:58 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
A friend had the same problem after getting pulled over, automatically getting out of the car and subsequently the police panicked and pulled a gun on him. Only reason they pulled him over was because he was in a flashy car that he had rented and they thought it must be stolen. He wasn't even speeding.
We got pulled over for turning on a red in a state where that apparently isn't allowed (we'd just come over from the neighbouring state where it was) and the police equally freaked out when the driver got out to talk to them. Hands on holsters but no guns pulled fortunately. Still they were unnecessarily aggressive and suspicious even when it was clear from our accents that we weren't Americans and just didn't know their laws. They somehow came to the conclusion that the driver must have been drinking and made someone else drive, then followed us down the road for a few miles.
I never fear the police here in the UK but in the US I would be afraid to ask for their help even in an emergency.
Amarae ยท 158 points ยท Posted at 05:26:12 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
We like to teach our Police force to shoot first and not ask questions if it can be avoided.
We don't teach them to hate poor people or minorities but it really helps on the application.
As someone with police friends and family, comments like yours really piss me off initially. Then I realise that sadly many officers are like this, even if they're a minority of officers, especially in very urban areas.
Police really could use some federally enforced reform.
Policing in the US is just really inconsistent. Officers range from anywhere between polite local sheriff you'd invite into your house for coffee, to full on SS Stormtrooper mode, even within the same state
I'm poor and can offer no shiny... But take my internet arrow sir
nijio03 ยท 115 points ยท Posted at 03:08:53 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
I was chatting with one of my mates about 2 weeks ago when two policemen with rifles passed by. We smiled at each other and I continued what I was saying.
Not for a second I felt in danger. The guns didnโt scare me. Mainly because they were not wielded by trigger happy poorly educated racist psychopaths.
Upvote for you. A lot of people here in the US like to make believe being super soldiers, especially those who obviously have no training. It really grinds my gears.
In most of the Asian countries I've been to it isn't uncommon to see police with assault rifles around randomly. But like that person said, I'm not nearly as afraid when I see them as I am when I see a cop car in the US.
I just looked it up and, I was a little off but, of the 3 ways you can become an officer, 2.5 require a degree and the other is reciprocity, which is outlined below:
Complete basic police training in another state or federal law enforcement, and work in a law enforcement capacity for three years following basic training and possess a post-secondary degree; or five years following basic training if the individual does not possess a post-secondary degree. Candidates for reciprocity must have been working in law enforcement within the past six years.
Qualify through military police service in the U.S. military
Armed police officers (known as Authorised Firearms Officers and Specialist Firearms Officers) are often armed which H&K G36 or MP5's in the UK and can often be seen patrolling higher importance landmarks. E.g. Airports, Parliament, Main Train stations
I dont know what your thinking but I fear the police in the UK. Not for physical safety (unlike american cops) but my police force is the most corrupt in the country, I saw a mandem get arrested for littering, I aint seen him since
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:07:41 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
I've had situations where it was more helpful to call a known criminal (i used to be a tattoo artists i've had clients that i know have some past) than it would be to call a cop.
The situation in hand was that my cellphone was stolen, calling the cops would just come with unnecessary waiting time and a report that states that my cellphone was subtracted. Calling the guy he said he would look for it on sale, and found the a dealer who was selling my phone for almost nothing.
it's not a violent police situation (but i do have a few) but show how fucked things are if the police isn't more useful that a criminal
(edit) my mother later told me that buying my own stolen cell phone for a cheap buck (BRL 25,00) is illegal in my country and if I gone out and opened a report from the police I COULD GET ARRESTED.
the "crime" is overdue, it's been more than 5 years so I can be open about it
Fredex8 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:28:48 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
The police frequently aren't much help here in the UK but it at least seems less likely to end badly if you get them involved. More likely just nothing will happen.
A friend had his phone stolen but it was kind of his fault as he left it on the table in a bar by mistake when he got up to get another drink. They had tried to take his laptop too but it was secured to the table. Phoned the police but they said they couldn't do anything so he phoned his stolen phone a couple days later, pretended to be a delivery man or something and asked the guy to confirm his name and address. Then he phoned the police back and told them where his stolen phone was and they still didn't get involved.
In the end he drove to the address he had been given and explained the situation to the guy, he obviously wasn't the guy who had stolen it but had bought it off someone. He just told him simply that he could give him the phone back or he could call the phone company and get it blocked so it would be useless to him and then get the police involved. So he got his phone back by using the idea that the police gave a shit when in fact they didn't.
Meanwhile the guys who stole it and sold it get to and carry on stealing without repercussions. The bar had CCTV so combined with help from the guy who bought it they probably could have found who did it pretty easily but the police just don't have the time to bother, despite phone theft being a very common crime and carrying a 5 year sentence or something. It's no wonder it is so common when they don't investigate and criminals know they can likely get away with it.
That's the difference between Europe and the US. In Europe, police officers are respected. In the US cops are feared.
A while back there was a video from the Dutch police where a woman decided to push a police officer, and when he pushed her back the crowd went to demonize her, while in many videos from the US the crowd would jump on the officer screaming that he just commited assault etc.
You do not get out of the car. You wait for the police to approach and you make absolutely no sudden moves until they can be sure you aren't a threat.
This is pretty well known because there are people with guns in the US, and if your friend had really wanted to kill those police for stopping him the very first thing he would do is jump out of the car.
Fredex8 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:44:44 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah it's just common courtesy here to get out of the car to talk to police so it is sort of hard wired into us.
if your friend had really wanted to kill those police for stopping him the very first thing he would do is jump out of the car.
Not so sure about that actually. I've seen a lot of police bodycam footage where the driver seems to be acting totally normally and going along with the officer's requests but when they are distracted they suddenly pull a gun out from somewhere and shoot from inside the car.
Drastic armed people jump from cars a lot more than calm reasonable unarmed ones. The existence of cold killers is upsetting, but doesn't really have a good indicator like "pissed and caught" does.
But they should be the only ones with guns, right?
Iakeman ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 07:23:48 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
you sure you wanna take that route buddy? I know plenty of leftists and antifa members who love their guns, but I suspect you wouldnโt be so happy to hear that
Thatโs where youโre wrong. Everyone should be equally armed. Some things (like liberty and freedom) transcend the bounds of political parties and affiliations.
But yes, antifa and the lefties are happy to surrender their right to self defense for the sake of โsecurityโ.
Iakeman ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 08:50:38 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
But yes, antifa and the lefties are happy to surrender their right to self defense for the sake of โsecurityโ.
Liberals aren't leftists because they support capitalism. A world that doesn't need guns is the ideal but until then: -
"โฆ the workers must be armed and organized. The whole proletariat must be armed at once with muskets, rifles, cannon and ammunitionโฆ Under no pretext should arms and ammunition be surrendered; any attempt to disarm the workers must be frustrated, by force if necessary."
-Karl Marx
Iakeman ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 09:23:41 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
youโre thinking of liberals. antifa are not liberals.
You can clearly overcome police brutality arming citizens.
Sectus ยท -7 points ยท Posted at 06:46:58 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)*
The police in America have an extremely dangerous job. Everyone knows it's a major no-no to get out of your vehicle during a stop. Unfortunately, they can't be naive and assume the best out of everyone they meet, which often translates to the common person just assuming the police are bad.
They aren't. They just have a dangerous, anxiety-inducing, difficult job.
Edit: Your downvotes are meaningless unless accented with argumentative support. Downvoting something without explaining your reasoning is basically forfeiting the argument.
Iakeman ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 07:22:23 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
cop is not even on the top ten list of most dangerous jobs. more than that, the majority of police fatalities are car accidents. this line gets trotted out all the time and itโs complete bullshjt. if theyโre so fucking scared that they have to empty their weapons into unarmed people they should find another line of work.
Sectus ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 10:19:53 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)*
You'll have to forgive me for not sympathizing with your perspective but when you see for yourself what they have to deal with on a daily basis it changes how you see things.
There isn't anything that can be said here that is going to soften me to the hilarity of the anti-cop rhetoric this thread seems to possess.
When you've done the job yourself, we'll talk. Otherwise, move along bud.
Brit here. Its clear that their job is a lot more dangerous in america, but surely that should mean the training is a lot more specialised. There is no excuse for pulling your gun out on someone exiting their car. All it takes is one nervous police officer to accidentally pull the trigger and bam civillian casualty.
I know its completely different in Britain but only certain trained police officers carry firearms. From what i understand they are similar to your SWAT. It just seems that better training could drastically help the public image of police and the police themselves. Psych evaluations, stress testing, and the main thing above all body cams on every uniformed officer. To many bad apples spoiling what I assume are a relatively okay bunch.
Sectus ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 10:30:43 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Training is a different matter all together. For the amount of shit they deal with on a regular basis I personally don't feel they receive enough training, but 12 weeks is the standard and for some reason always has been.
I do, however, refuse to bend on the ridiculous idea being presented by some people here that all cops are bad people and their behavior stems from abuse of power. Sorry to say it but if anyone has that perspective they've watched far too many cartoons. Yes those people exist, no they are not the majority.
As much as I'd like to try and reason with these people and explain why their perspective is incorrect, I have neither the time nor patience to set straight the views of people whose opinions ultimately won't impact US law enforcement a great deal. Needless to say, I have enough direct experience with law enforcement to be satisfied in my worldview.
Back on the point though, I appreciate you being more cordial than some others have in addressing my post. It's definitely refreshing on a site like reddit.
12 weeks is far to short realistically. That's 3 months of training, police have to understand the laws that they enforce which in itself is easily a year long course (not saying it should be, just that it could be). Than they would have to have proper firearms training in high stress enviroments since they literally take lives. Finally there should be some sort of psychology course so that they can communicate properly with civillians, and be able to read situations with criminals.
I 100% agree not all cops are bad, you are going to no matter what get dicks in positions of power where ever you go. My personal viewpoint (from what i have read online) is there seems to be some sort of "bluecode" where no matter what you protect your fellow officer. This in itself is honourable because I'm sure a lot of day to day shit they get flak for requires them to have each other backs, but because of this code it causes genuine POS to get away with quite literal murder. I imagine if good cops did rat out other bad cops the good cops would recieve alot of shit and their career and work life would be severly strained.
I always enjoy actual discussions on reddit and finding out other people's view points simply to gain an understanding of sides. Like i said im not american so i dont experience these issues first hand and my only source of information are news outlets which either embellish the story or are bias
One of my high school teachers told us a story on his experience as Canadian visiting the US decades ago. Him, his wife, and some friends were in a van traveling together. They were having trouble figuring out how to get to where they were going, everyone puzzling over the road map and were parked as they squabbled. My teacher looks across the street and sees a cop car and thinks โOh great, I can ask this police officer for directionsโ. He gets out and as heโs approaching the car the officer quickly steps out, points his gun at him, and shouts not to come any closer and orders to go back to the van, sending him scuttling back fast. This guy comes to the drivers side window and looks in at all the pale, terrified faces looking back at him and just says โI take it you folks arenโt from around here.โ Apparently heโs a State Trooper and he warns them never to approach a Trooperโs vehicle. Gives them directions and sends them off. That pretty well coloured how my teacher saw the US from then on, and thatโs the only time in his life heโs had a gun pointed at him.
I wouldnโt be able to even guess which state it was, this was a few years ago and you maniacs have 50 of those things, I canโt remember if he even said which. I donโt know if it was maybe the way that he approached the car, but I doubt it considering my teacher isnโt exactly intimidating and the guy said not to approach any State Trooper, he didnโt mention anything about how he did it wrong. It was shocking though not just because of the gun but also it never would have occurred to any of them to question asking a cop for help, thatโs what theyโre there for and no decent one would hesitate to help out unless they were busy.
That you know of. A night shift cop once told me that if someone comes over to their car, they pull out their gun and aim it low at the door where the person canโt see it, in case they are being โattackedโ
True, but I can't really blame them for that, especially how everyone seems to hate police officers now and are being murdered.
I unbutton my holster whenever i go somewhere i don't feel safe or it's dark. I imagine he felt the same working at night.
Disclaimer: I am not, nor ever been, a police officer. I just legally carry
ASPKYE ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:48:47 on June 15, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
I presume approaching a trooper stood in the street would also prompt the same reaction then? how would one actually engage peacefully with them? a 911 call? its difficult to get into the mindset of people who behave like this, people who society says we can trust and rely on. A uniform means nothing these days, which is why i treat anyone wearing one, just like the rest of the population, unless of course they have a gun pointing a me, which is more often than not the only reason why things like this seem to get normalised in the world we live in.
In other countries they don't have the issue of someone randomly approaching a cop having firearms.
Not that you could get rid of firearms in the US.
The other side to this is the death of Beat Cops in the US.
We used to have cops assigned to specific neighborhoods where they would "walk the beat" and really get to know the community.
That way they know the difference between Frank drinking a little too much and bothering his neighbors, and some random druggie from out of town casing houses.
When they cease to be able to tell the difference everyone looks like the random druggie.
The US kinda seem like a big urban warfare when you're looking at videos of people being pulled over/arrested... The cops are on edge all the time and it seems like 1 person out of 2 they interact with just wants to fuck with them. The other would be the one who pulls a gun on them...
Again, that's what it looks like from my external point of view, I know it's exaggerated by the nature of these videos and that's not how it really is. I just mean to say we see there might be something very wrong with how so many people behave over there...
Can I interest you in a blueline American flag? Cops here are mucho victimizado (victimized a lot ..by MSM and BLM and Rachel maddow). They only want whatโs best for honest citizens and not anything more. But socialists have hijacked our western democracy that Athens gifted Godโs chosen people . 80% of us might be living check to check, but we still have jobs as opposed to Venezuelans. We donโt want to eat our dogs weโd rather walk them! Also, 40% of us canโt afford a $400 emergency and more than half of us arenโt vaccinated! But... we have law and order . Which..hic..is a real shame nobody.. hic..supports them
parwa ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 05:13:55 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
It is the way it looks. I'm a middle-class white man living in the U.S., so I am statistically the safest from the cops, and they still scare the fuck out of me. I never feel safe around them. They're not all bad, but enough are that I don't feel safe when they're around.
In other words, not only are problem-prone people making it into law enforcement agencies; but a lot of people who'd be interested in steering the justice system in a direction that more resembles the whole "serve and protect" concept..... are actively blocked from being sworn in.
It tells me that the test cops have to take should favour leftist views. Here where I live cops have started to get scary since when the right started infiltrating them, moving them from their traditional leftist stance of "protect the people" to a right wing stance of "maintain order", which includes lots of censorship.
This is why I urge people to have hidden cameras in their vehicles and on their person. In your HOME. You need to record and fucking live stream every aspect of your life (unfortunately) because ANY MOMENT a false charge could be leveled against you. Fuckers can break your door down, insert a USB device into your computer and CLAIM that you have hundreds of child porn images on your computer. They can plant ANYTHING and say ANYTHING and THEY will be believed. They SAY you are innocent until proven guilty, but if that were TRUE people would not be arrested and placed into jails BEFORE they are even convicted of a crime.
And in most cases, it comes down to whether or not you can AFFORD financially, to hire a good enough attorney to PROVE your innocence.
Cops should not have authority. They often turn off their body cams or block the camera, put tape over their badge numbers, shine flashlights into your camera so it obscures their actions. Most of them dont even have a degree in ANYTHING.
It is up to you, as a citizen, to prove you are innocent- which is FUCKED UP. And the only way you can do that is to record or live stream your activities, keep receipts for everything so you can prove you own something or prove that you were at a place at a certain time.
Some comedian made a joke once, but it was bitter true- he said he wont even throw a soda can away because of fear of it landing on some dead white woman with his prints on the can.
People tend to think they can trust authority until the day that authority betrays them personally. It is EASY to believe the propaganda that cops are your protectors. But reality is a harsh teacher and for those of us who know, cops are no different than hard core criminals- they just have not been caught yet. And worse, because they belong to the nations largest gang (police force) their fellow gang members protect them, hide or destroy, lose evidence, plant evidence etc.
There was a thing a few years ago where they excluded potential candidates who were too intelligent or too ethical. Thereโs a certain amount of not questioning the system and being invested in In Groups required.
-aiyah- ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 06:03:51 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Psych student here: it isn't. Or at least I was taught that it isn't.
I was taught that the descriptions of MBTI personality types are very general, despite seeming very specific. Often, like you said about yourself, people will get different results based on their mood on a particular day, particularly if you're not on the extreme ends of a particular trait.
Francesco Vincent Serpico (born April 14, 1936) is a former New York City Police Department (NYPD) officer who holds both American and Italian citizenship. He is known for whistleblowing on police corruption in the late 1960s and early 1970s, an act that prompted Mayor John V. Lindsay to appoint the landmark Knapp Commission to investigate the NYPD. Much of Serpico's fame came after the release of the 1973 film Serpico, which was based on the book by Peter Maas and which starred Al Pacino in the title role, for which Pacino received an Oscar nomination.
MyersโBriggs Type Indicator
The MyersโBriggs Type Indicator (MBTI) is an introspective self-report questionnaire with the purpose of indicating differing psychological preferences in how people perceive the world around them and make decisions. . Though the test superficially resembles some psychological theories it is commonly classified as pseudoscience, especially as pertains to its supposed predictive abilities.
The MBTI was constructed by Katharine Cook Briggs and her daughter Isabel Briggs Myers. It is based on the conceptual theory proposed by Carl Jung, who had speculated that humans experience the world using four principal psychological functions โ sensation, intuition, feeling, and thinking โ and that one of these four functions is dominant for a person most of the time.The MBTI was constructed for normal populations and emphasizes the value of naturally occurring differences.
Reminds me of the psychology test of the Dutch military that my grandpa used to talk about. Supposedly there was a result that meant, that either you are crazy, or you will become a General.
A huge thing that of the results of that test that most don't know is that you can be too perfect. If you put on your holy cross and become the knight of justice to answer the test you fail. You have to not think at all, and answer the first thing that pops into your head.
My uncle administers these tests and I had to take one aswell for my Act 235 and they want you to have flaws. They want you to to have an experienced life that can show them that yes, if there is a person shooting in their apartment that you WILL run In there to neutralize the threat, and save the victims.
Lots of people spend their whole lives, highschool, and college for crim justice to try and get to be an LEO and they fail because they don't hit the sweet middle spot. Too low, you fail, too high, you fail.
Not a reason on the planet I would call the police unless it's to report something that has already happened for liability reasons. If you need the police for physical help by the time they show up you will already be fucked.
So shameful. This kind of mindset only drives the divide deeper between police and communities. It's also not even remotely true, but you already know that.
Vhyx ยท 31 points ยท Posted at 03:33:46 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
I have up to two cops who live in or near my apartment building, at least based on the trooper cars parked outside. While the cars being there is hopefully a really good theft deterrent (not I've ever even felt unsafe in our area), it actually makes me more uncomfortable at times.
Really isn't helped that I'm pretty sure one of them lives in the unit with a "this house is protected by God and a gun" kinda sign on the patio. Plus we have multiple resident cars with either blue line or NRA decals.
We're a pair of white millennials living in northern Virginia. And I still get concerned by cops.
You know, that's another thing that grinds my gears. Why the fuck are we paying for cops to drive their work cars home and run errands in em and shit? That's added gas and maintenance to the cars that comes out of our taxes...
I get why you wouldn't want to interact and be buddy buddy with your neighbors if they are pretty obviously on the opposite of your political spectrum, but why exactly would you feel unsafe around them?
Iakeman ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 07:10:47 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
you donโt feel unsafe around people who have unilateral authority to end your life and get away with it?
That people like yourself that hate the cops get fucking rich in court if there's a false arrest, a cop is fired, and has to work at a gas station for the rest of their life
Iakeman ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 11:08:45 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
cops donโt get fired even when they straight up murder people, and if they do, they get hired in the next town over.
Vhyx ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:17:06 on June 1, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
People with excessive power and a love of firearms seem like a reasonable thing to be made uneasy by.
Some cops have an attitude, some cops take things personally, and cop-delivered enforcement/punishment is very subjective; if you act the "right" way, you'll get off with a warning or a reduced ticket, but if you act the wrong way, the cop'll saddle you with as many tickets as he can think of.
I'm sorry you feel that way, I've felt uneasy before Police forces in France when the bombings in Paris were still fresh (emergency militarized police forces are deployed everywhere in these periods), and it was oppressive as all hell.
The scary part in how the US has been shown to me was how both the police and the people in front of them seem to be immediately on edge, before anything even happens. I'm so used to cops acting just like normal people when there are any, the contrast is harsh.
I was also very surprised when I learned schools had cops walking around over there. That was quite unsettling to me. Guess I thought I lived in a wonderland
Rengiil ยท 29 points ยท Posted at 00:27:50 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
We had cops in our elementary schools.
S_Z ยท 25 points ยท Posted at 01:33:41 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Armed security is the norm at synagogues in the US, regardless of location.
gslavik ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 03:35:48 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Some NYC High Schools have metal detectors and XRay machines. Unfortunately, that information is not public, but I definitely know that my former HS and Bernie Sander's HS had them at least about 10 years ago.
They fired a tear gas canister into her kitchen and it struck and killed her. I'd link to the story if I weren't on my phone, but the BBC covered it, so you can just use Google to find the story.
Where I'm from we were glad to have a police officer and 2 private security permanently stationed on our campus. It wasn't because we liked having them around. They were complete jackasses who mostly had nothing better to do with their time than harass students for eating lunch in BS off-limits areas and frisk anyone they thought looked like they might have weed or a lighter or something in their bags. But, at least we had a decent line of defense against a school shooter, which is more than the other schools in adjacent districts could say. They also kept most of the gang fights off-campus.
Iakeman ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 07:09:31 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
almost every school thatโs been shot up since columbine has had a cop on campus. they donโt do fucking anything except harass students. at parkland the cop literally hid outside by his car
Is that based on the % of the population as well because Iโd assume white people are the largest group. Iโm surprised more racial groups arenโt higher than white guys.
Of course, per capita is really the only way to view these stats. Black men, white men, then black women and white women. I believe asians of both genders are below white women.
You literally say your rational brain knows they're not all bad... But "enough" are?
There's thousands of cops in your area alone. How many are bad? 12 maybe? 6 really evil dudes & maybe a dozen genuine bullies? Or it more? Less? How many? How do you know?
"Enough" to form an opinion on "policing in the US" & deem it "terrifying" apparently... But you don't really know anything besides what you've seen on the screens you favor
Yes cops are human & there have been foul ones but I think it makes things worse if my world view changes my interactions with all of them bc of a few of them. They're not saints either so recording is good accountability. A modern pro of technology. Not terrifying. Terrifying would be if only they had the cameras
[deleted] ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 02:14:22 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Ok but speak for yourself dude. My opinions are based on my experience, not the media. I think a lot of it depends on where you live and other factors
Pilose ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 01:54:43 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
If there was no grounds for it, it wouldn't be such a pervasive sentiment.
Jhuxx54 ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 03:31:41 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, media has nothing to do with it. I was speaking with my attorney and as he mentioned to me โcops are not your friend, they are not there to help you. If you have to interact with the police do not talk without a lawyer, even if you are totally innocent and are being questioned about something you donโt even have an idea about, donโt talkโ.
Iโve had many interactions with police, few good ones in the bunch, but most of them Iโve met have earned their reputation thAt you claim the โmediaโ is responsible for. Corrupt and criminal , those who donโt take part turn a blind eye.
The fact that in America, the wise and recommended course of action by any lawyer worth a penny is to โnot speak to the police in any situation without a lawyer presentโ.
I had police literally bust open my car doors and break my glove box because I refused to allow them to search my car, as is my right. They were so angry they arrested me and tried to charge me with something that wasnโt in the car (after breaking shit), It was a power trip because I exercised my rights and guess what? I lawyered up, and the prosecutor didnโt even attempt to bring charges forward, just dropped the whole thing. I didnโt even think about suing, but honestly even thinking about it now, It would of probably caused me more problems. Not to mention two years later the sheriff was indicted for a while host of crimes and corruption.
nikdahl ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 04:38:12 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
All of them. Policing in America is systemically broken, and all cops participating in the current form are bad. ACAB
mrducci ยท -19 points ยท Posted at 02:56:22 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
This is bad math. If you take the number of gun carrying law enforcement officers (police, sheriff, fbi, dea, etc..) and measure that against the number of civil rights violations and other violations (abuse of power, bad faith, staging a crime scene) the percentage is miniscule. Saying that not "all police are bad" indicates that the numbers are reversed. And they're not. I think Kyle Kinnane said it best, that police are in the customer service industry, and most of their customers are shit heads. If you don't feel safe around police, as a middle class white man, then you are likely shady as fuck.
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mrducci ยท -9 points ยท Posted at 03:12:52 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
This is poor form. I'm not an apologist for law enforcement. I believe that when a sworn officer violates the law they should be punished beyond what a civilian would be, because they violated their oath of office. But those "bad cops" that you think are crawling all over the place want you to believe that, so that the others will radicalize.
But all of that violates the whole "enemy of the people" thing that you got going.
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mrducci ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 03:23:00 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, I'm not even remotely a blue lives matter guy. Not even close. I'm certainly not trying to put a cape on them. But when I need to call them, they respond. By not calling them "pigs" and throwing blanket accusations at them, and, you know, treating them like humans when meeting them, we can have conversations and interactions that are not hostile.
Again, a cop shooting an unarmed civilian should be doing life in prison. A cop that plants evidence, lies under oath, or violates their oath of office should not get administrative leave, but should instead be in prison. That is dereliction of duty, and should be equivalent to treason. But to insinuate that a good cop is the exception is dishonest, at best.
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mrducci ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 03:41:27 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
All cops? Every one of them? I wonder how true that is? I know that where I live, the union is optional. The employee can opt out of the union if they wish. But I wonder if a right to work state like Wisconsin, or states in the south require the employee to opt in, rather than out.
I'm not sure. But what I do know is that anytime someone say "all", "every", or any absolute statement, I immediately am sceptical of everything they say, because that person is interested in sensationalism rather than facts.
I'm good though. You're not going to change my mind, and I'm not going to change yours. We can. Just be done.
The boondocks are basically just really small rural towns and communities. They generally have small police forces ranging from 1-4 officers which have to raise most of their own funding through fines and speeding tickets. They also have a reputation for taking advantage of people not from the area and since there is little to no accountability due to the small police department they can get away with a lot more.
Awesome, unchecked Police forces with incentive to fine unfairly. That can't turn out badly, for sure.
I had never heard of that either. At least it is not "violent" in it's common meaning, but still harmful and annoying. I feel like I keep thanking everyone here for educating me, but I mean it. That's the only way I can see things objectively, considering what we're usually shown.
So yeah, thank you for making me a more understanding person haha ;)
1371113 ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 02:46:08 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Can also be called the "boonies" as a contraction. In other countries you may hear "out in the wops" or "wop-wops".
gslavik ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:37:41 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Also "out in the sticks"
sculltt ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:57:44 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
"Urban" means city but a lot of time is a way to say "black people" in racist politics. Boondocks means far from the city. Here in the southern US Police culture often reflects values that were in place since the time the dominant economy was based on slavery :( Even as a long-haired "hippie" they have threatened me with violence and even rape by their colleagues. All while sounding "quaint" and traditionally endearing. Where are you from? And do you have to fear the police?
Oh, I did not mean to be offensive, urban just means it's in a city to me...
Is all that related to some form of corruption, though? It can't be just rude people becoming cops and abusing their power, can it?
Also I'm from Switzerland, the police is very professional here, that's why I'm asking all these questions... Because I've never experienced gearing the police the way some of you have and I'm trying to understand how things are. I've only felt uneasy with the police when I was in France and the anti-terrorist forces were deployed everywhere with assault rifles.
I did not get the impression you were using urban in such a way. That usage is mostly something to look out for in official speech in politics and media. News and politicians will also use "Atlanta" and "Chicago" in this way.
The police here have traditionally been a tool to help the privileged at the expense of immigrants, poor workers, and especially black people. President Nixon started the drug war as a way to oppress those groups as well as the hippie movement using the justice system. Many prisons were built all across the country.
This is a culture of police. It is not individual rude people. It is a broad culture of departments and leaders who understand it as their job to fight crime as a cultural or racial threat. Even the best people wanting to become police will find themselves filling the role of what you might call a corrupted civil servant. Although quite often the person who aspires to be a police officer was the same petty and insecure person you knew from school who wanted nothing more than to bully people with the position of authority.
If you are white, well off, and appear and speak a certain way you may never notice these things. The police are there to help you.
It just means anyplace thereโs more nature and fewer people. I say I live in the boondocks because thereโs tons of nature and I donโt have good cell service, but 8 minutes away is a busy town bordered by other busy towns.
Iakeman ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:13:02 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
every cop in bumfuck nebraska thinks heโs patrolling fucking fallujah
Always figured NYPD cops know where to find their action. Country cops are bored, bored, bored.
Curae ยท 67 points ยท Posted at 22:25:01 on May 30, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
It's definitely how it looks to me as well, but I too have an external view and just stories from my uncle and one of a friend's dad who wanted to get out of his car and was stopped by a gun being pulled at him before he even opened his door.
I'm Dutch and I've seen a fair amount of posts of Dutch cops helping kids fix their bikes, and people make it out to be that Dutch cops are super helpful and kind. I mean, they're not tyrants, and they do lend a helping hand sometimes. But cops helping out kids with their bikes and such aren't things you see all the time. Just an example of a skewed view people could also get due to media I suppose, just a positive one.
Yeah, but hearing about it in series and stuff is different than someone opening up about their own experience. Your comment kinda made it real in my head... Have you had any problems with that yourself?
Reported a restaurant which was built right next to my building for loud music after midnight, cops came and told the owner who reported him and returned to the station. Apparently they knew the guy. Music didn't stop.
Lovely. I can't stand a single noise or light at night, anything wakes me up instantly and I can't fall asleep easily... I chose my current flat specifically because one of the rooms has a closed balcony, meaning two layers of windows between me and the outside
Just to tell you how much I feel your pain
Corruption is something I never quite understood fully. How does it start, how does it grow, how does it stand... It's all so damn mysterious to me. I really dislike not understanding these things that make other people's lives harder, it makes me feel disconnected and like I keep looking through rose-tinted glasses
In Serbia it started in 1991 after fall of socialism and breakup of Yugoslavia. UN sanctions were imposed and at that point crime was almost legalized. Everyone started hustling in order to survive, there were no jobs and national currency was worthless due to hyperinflation. A lot bad stuff didn't disappear until this date, though it's definitely better (no wars or UN sanctions). Back in socialist Yugoslavia all of that was unimaginable. State was strong, people had jobs and were happy.
This isn't something unique, other former socialist countries went though the same thing. Some improved significantly (Poland), others not so much (Ukraine, Moldova, Russia).
I think I need to learn more about all that. I just realized I know next to nothing about Serbia. You said things hadn't improved that much since then and still I hadn't ever heard of it. That's frustrating.
Thanks for bringing it up, by the way, it can't be easy to open up about some of these things
It's true that the situation of the east of Europe 8s a bit mysterious to us, our media don't talk about much from there except Putin and whatever he does.
I'll do my homework tomorrow, gotta catch some sleep now if I can :)
I mean, it's a lot better than the 90s now. It's a functioning state, not everything is smuggled, you can go to a store and buy whatever you want, and you can generally go out expecting not to get bombed.
The only bad remains of that time are the current President who was Miloลกeviฤ's little fuckboi and the deep level organized crime
You could better understand corruption if you gave yourself a crash course in civics and government. I understand if you donโt know about that stuff since Americaโs civics education is either terrible or nonexistent. The only reason I know a few snippets is that I educated myself on it.
My education was totally adequate, I've read about it, seen documentaries and stuff, but the human side of things just doesn't compute I guess
I don't fully understand the mindset of everyone involved, the whole concept seems alien to me...
I do count myself lucky not to have experienced it first-hand for sure though. It's just frustrating not to know what signs I could look out for to recognize this stuff myself if it happened to me, what I could do to avoid or stop it, all that stuff.
Iโve read things, seen documentaries as well and done my own research. The thing is that my social studies education focused on American history instead of practical things like filing taxes, voting and an in depth look of how our government works. I would of loved to learn about these things in primary school instead of here and now in college. As for the mindset of everyone involved, there is no particular mindset due to the fact that everyone involved has their own selfish reasons for doing so. As for corruption in the US, Iโm seeing it starting to happen here more often. This is likely happening here due to the fact that bribery is essentially legal here, itโs just called lobbying instead.
gslavik ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:38:56 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Serbia wasn't part of the USSR. In fact the dickish police attitudes only started after the breakup of Yugoslavia, when a mafia took advantage of the power vacuum.
Where I'm from, Switzerland, cops are just... formal. They need to talk to you, they come up and do just that. You did something that might be wrong but they're not sure, they ask you to explain yourself. Also, when they pull you over it's not really stressful, they usually just ask a few questions and are off quickly if you're in the clear.
I'm not saying they're friendly or let you do anything, they are just rational about things, in my experience. I've seen them chasing speeding cars, I've been asked questions when they were looking for someone who they thought might be me once too, but it was always "just formal"
Then again I have the luck to live in a very quiet country compared to others. I have the people here to thank for that, and the fact that we are objectively privileged in some social and economic ways. People are just more relaxed in general
Yep, nobody's history is clean, not even Switzerland's. Still, please be careful when using "they" I'm these contexts, it can be quite offensive to some people...
Like, to go with the extreme example, talking to a German person about how "they" killed Jews might not fly too well ;)
Just talking about semantics here, I don't mind, myself, but it's a very easy trap to step into
The way I view it is, not everyone killed Jews, but everyone has a share - small or little - of the responsibility for letting it happen in their name. To use your example, Germany, not Hitler, went to war and German soldiers fought, German soldiers guarded Auschwitz, German soldiers exterminated entire villages of women and children in Europe as reprisals for partisan actions. Not every German did those, but they bear some moral responsibility for it happening in their country's name. In fact, I used to not feel very strongly about this, but then I met some German people and had the chance to talk about this. Every one of them readily acknowledged what I wrote as fact, which is why I feel the way I do about it now.
That is a good thing. Acknowledging your country's past misdeed is liberating, in a way. Just because you were born German, or American, or Turkish, doesn't mean you should try to pretend your accidental country of origin is free of historical crimes as if that makes you a better person.
It's the same with Switzerland - if a society you live in, and benefit from, has been built on a history that isn't quite so clean, you owe it to yourself and everyone else to acknowledge that and work to change it so that it doesn't happen in the future, and make reparations to set things right. Especially when that society is as rich as Switzerland's.
Otherwise, it's just a form of whitewashing of past crimes.
Here in austria, police once pulled me over because I was driving like a drunk person. In reality my front window fogged up and I was looking for a place where I could make a quick stop to make it clear out.
It lasted about a minute and they were back on their way.
In Switzerland you would have gotten fined for having your widshield obscured in any way. Road police is quite severe here in general, which is a pretty good thing if you ask me. I feel much safer on the road here than I do when I travel back to France or to Germany.
We actually have laws that say that we must remove all of the snow on the roof and hood before driving off, and for having had snow fall onto my windshield from the front driver on the highway myself, I can say these things are important!
I'm happy to know you got off without a hitch since you were looking for a spot to stop and take care of your issue :)
I'm in the US and that's also been my experience with police every time I've interacted with them. I do think there are problems with our police force, but they're massively overblown by the media. That could be said of many problems in America, the media makes money off fear-mongering and in a large country like the US there's a lot of fuel for that, even if it isn't as statistically significant as it's presented.
Edit: To clarify, I absolutely don't believe our police force is perfect. Just that the majority of cops are not scumbags. Yes, there are a lot of scumbag cops. Yes the justice system in America is fucked up. But 9 times out of 10 when viewing the country as a whole, interactions with police are non-violent.
So, I'm not a good person, by any stretch of the imagination. I've spent several years incarcerated and have plenty of friends that have as well. Even before I started getting locked up, interactions with cops in my neighborhood were never cordial. Hell, I used to have to be the one to talk to the cops because I had what my boys referred to as "cop camouflage", since I'm white. And I have plenty of friends that have never even jaywalked get guns drawn on them, cuffs on too tight, get fucked up over "contempt of cop".
And it gets much, much worse once you get into court and detention/corrections. At that point, they don't give a fuck what you've done, they just want to churn you through. I've had POs lie to my face, cops lie in court, ADAs leverage me into taking plea bargains admitting to shit that I didn't do because they promised to fuck me if I didn't. In prison, I've met people that I've legitimately believed were railroaded and innocent.
So, just because you haven't seen it, doesn't mean it isn't there.
Have you considered that your experience might not be the same as others? The disparity in treatment for different racial groups by the police is pretty well documented...as just one example.
xSiNNx ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 02:02:59 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
As another American I just want to say that your world and the world of someone next to you may be completely different.
Iโve seen some horrible corruption from law enforcement over the years. Lying to grand juries, threatening kidnapping and violence, stalking, statutory rape, etc. and thatโs all just what Iโve seen personally.
We can both be from this country but experience it in absolutely different ways.
The way you look might be different, or your gender, your location, your vehicle, etc.
Go grab a shitty car, dress and style yourself in a way that makes you stand out and look dangerous in some way, and spend a lot more time than an average person driving around and hanging out in public places and I promise you will see a different side of people.
Iโve had guns pulled on me 4 times by cops. Never because I had committed a crime or was armed in any way, nor had I been violent or even yelling. Every single time was an out of the blue thing for me. And Iโm not perfect, Iโve done some things over the years that did warrant the attention of the police, but funny enough thatโs never when theyโve treated me like shit.
Itโs like being a kid and getting in trouble for something your siblings did, or a neighborhood kid. Except over and over.
Just try to keep an open mind. From where you sit Iโm sure it looks like the media just blows shit out of proportion but I swear to you, it truly is that bad for some of us, and sadly even worse for others.
Your reality isnโt always everyone elseโs. Never forget that, please.
You talk about looking a certain way to get attention. That's true.
My boss used to get into a lot of trouble and had the long biker hairstyle to match. Eventually he cut all that out including the hair and went from getting pulled over pretty much weekly with the police looking for something to pin on him to having not been pulled over in years.
Another time, the wife (who's Black) ran into an officer she knew, called her by name and still wanted her I.D. and put her through the whole rigamarole.
What was she doing? A nosey neighbor called when she, a seventeen year old schoolgirl (a non-threat if you ask me), was checking the mail and taking care of the dogs at her mother's house that she did not live at.
Sure, it might look suspicious, but he actually knew her from some trouble before. Was it fully necessary to give her the run-down? You show me you got keys to the house and I'll believe you real quick that you're feeding the dogs.
If a fair few are rotten, and the organization is not self-correcting, then the whole thing is as good as spoiled.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 08:50:22 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
I'm Dutch and I moved to the United States. I can tell you Dutch cops are infinitely more chill than American cops. American cops expect you to grovel to them and their presence fills you with dread because everybody involved knows they can basically get away with anything. They are trained to be scared and to view the public as law breakers they just haven't caught doing anything... yet.
ictinc ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:50:05 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
There's a lot of asshole cops here in The Netherlands as well. Fortunately we don't have to worry about one of those to shoot you during a traffic stop. That just doesn't happen, unless you pose a real significant threat.
The thing with cops on The Netherlands tough is they don't have to worry about a driver suddenly grabbing a gun. Of course they are prepared for when it ever happens but they don't get out of their car with their hand near their holster.
Curae ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:40:22 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Exactly, there's always bad apples of course. But even when you encounter an asshole cop there's still a super low chance they'll pull a gun on you. I'm honestly really glad that owning a gun here is rare, as you say, it allows the police to be more relaxed in a sense as well.
I'm not one to defend our (the USA's) cops very often, but this is a point so many people just breeze by. Every officer would be more on edge in a country with more guns than people, compared to your average European country.
Kalibos ยท 26 points ยท Posted at 22:50:18 on May 30, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Cops definitely are on edge all the time, and a big reason why people seem like they want to fuck with cops is because American cops are notorious for just randomly harassing people, especially those who don't seem like middle upper class cis straight white people
So the source of the problem would be the cops abusing their authority? I'm not denying it here just trying to make sure that's what you're saying
But yeah, with all that talk about police brutality, I'm sure it can't come from nothing. I just didn't realize it was bad enough for the average Joe to actually think that of the majority of cops instead of a few rare cases...
It has less to do with overt abuse of authority and more to do with hypervigilance, lack of accountability, and no training or mandate to deescalate situations that have the potential to result in violence. That's not an issue with just a few 'bad apples'. That's an issue with most police officers period.
O_M_R ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 11:29:09 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
I know this will probably get buried, but the hyper-vigilance you speak of... this is the root of so many problems in the US. I'll get downvoted to hell for this but it's not the fault of the police.
It's american laws, specifically, gun laws. ANYONE could have a gun. ANYONE could have one in their glove box, strapped to their hip, long gun in the pickup, whatever. All it takes is someone having a bad day to start shooting at you because they have easy access to firearms and shit goes south in a hurry.
You'd be hyper-vigilant too. You'll notice the trend of most places that have "nice" police officers have much more strict gun control. Then the officers can more safely assume you're not going to murder them because you're having a bad day. People are unstable and unpredictable.
Yea it is abuse of power. Our systems encourage it and everyone knows that. For example, it's well known that cops have a ticket quota so they will look for excuses to ticket people regardless of if they've broken a law. Or harasses and physically remove homeless people from public spaces regardless of the legality.
Heck there's case law that says that says you can be arrested for breaking a law you didn't know existed, and there's case law for police being allowed to arrest someone for breaking a law they think exists, regardless of if it does.
gslavik ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 03:48:27 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
You should search for some NYPD stories. Bronx narcotics officers running drugs, former NYPD officers running brothels. NYPD license office (for guns) giving licenses for bribes (money, trips, etc.)
Oh yea I know. I live in Chicago, we had what amounted to an illegal torture warehouse for a long time.
My focus in this comment is how systematically and legally it is reinforced that police can do what would be illegal for most people. Hence why not only is it natural, but in fact beneficial to be constantly weary of the police
Iakeman ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:15:18 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)*
a blacksite. the CPD ran a literal fucking blacksite for like 15 years. CIA type shit. Rahm Emmanuel personally oversaw the coverup of a murder. none of these people will ever face consequences for the things they did
Not every average joe feels that way though...just think its fair to point out, reddits demographic is a small sliver of the US. I personally have issues with how some departments handle themselves but Ive never been scared after being pulled over and Ive had only pleasant experiences with police. The average person isnt 'scared' of police, possibly more on edge, especially since 80% of the time you see them is when driving and the main worry is whether or not they noticed you were speeding. Just like any job performed by humans, there are going to be some dicks, but robocops are a long ways away and the average cop is well intentioned despite what a lot of people here will say.
Iakeman ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:17:25 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
redditโs demographic is overwhelmingly white and middle class, so if (very justified) distrust of police is prevalent in that group you have to imagine itโs more prevalent generally.
Reddits demographic is overwhelmingly people who have had zero personal experience with police and form their entire opinion from headlines about the very worst of them, its stereotyping police officers no matter how you want to look at it.
Iakeman ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:49:21 on June 1, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
You know its possible to stereotype any large group, right?
ajt1296 ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 05:54:40 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Just so you're clear, this is Reddit which is an overwhelmingly left leaning website in the context of American politics, and a subreddit that is specifically designed to more or less be "anti corporation, government, etc." The opinions you see here are very skewed and don't represent the opinions of average Americans. Probably 80% of people have no problems with cops and have never had a bad experience. Obviously there are some power hungry dick cops, but the large majority of Americans are not going to be harassed by any police officers.
Iakeman ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 07:17:44 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Reddit
overwhelmingly left leaning
lmfao
ajt1296 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:56:11 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
We got pulled over twice in Australia, every time a single cop came up to our rolled down window, one time a woman and asked friendly for our paperwork and stuff. Some routine drug and alcohol checks, eventually a ticket for something and a friendly goodbye. There is just nothing scary or dangerous about the whole thing, the only reason you are nervous is maybe getting a fine.
[deleted] ยท 23 points ยท Posted at 00:02:11 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, Aussie police tend to be okay except for the whole beating the crap out of homeless people thing.
That's exactly how every police encounter has gone for me too in the US (I'm American). Most traffic cops are not looking to shoot someone or get into a conflict on the job if not necessary. Especially if you're white.
American here. We fucking hate and distrust most cops. They are not your friends. They are power hungry abusers. The cops in my town lie, cheat on their wives, embezzle funds, etc. and my city is โnot that bad.โ
I'm from the US and I'd use this app. There's an undertone of violence with all police interactions because there's very little accountability, and they have a lot of power.
They could kill you on camera and get away with it. There's loads of videos of this happening. Shooting people with their hands up, or who are laying on the ground, kids, old people, you name it. Cops also make money off people with traffic violations, or just outright taking your car or money. So people don't trust them, or hate them
They've harassed me several times (especially when I'm with black people)
Edit: there's another problem I forgot to mention. There's a pretty big chunk of people here who support the police no matter what. On all those videos of very obviously innocent people getting gunned down you'll find some idiot in the comments section saying the cops did nothing wrong. Seems like basic police accountability is a partizan issue. I blame nationalist propaganda, there's loads of it over here.
ajt1296 ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 05:57:00 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
or just outright taking your car or money.
Yeah? You've had a cop steal your car and take your money for no reason?
If you lived in a police state, you had to keep a gun on you at all times for protection, and your life was falling apart you just might pull your gun on a cop too if he was arresting you. That probably describes at least a few million Americans.
No, I think that there are a few million Americans who are on the brink of losing what little they have, own guns, and are crossing their fingers hoping that they never have to put up with something like police overreach too because they just might snap.
I mean, most people who pull guns on cops do it at routine traffic stops and such, right? Do you think those people woke up that morning thinking to themselves "Gee, I really hope I get pulled over today so that I can seize that specific unlikely happenstance moment to pull my gun on a police officer. Otherwise, my cop killing plan is just going to go to waste!" No. Their lives are already on the brink and that ticket is just the straw that broke the camel's back. They just snap. I don't think it's an odd or fringe type of scenario. I think it's the norm.
Lol wtf you think a "few MILLION" Americans would pull a gun on a cop? That's completely ridiculous.
That's literally the reason we have the right to own the guns you dingus, to be able to defend ourselves from malicious state agents. Its the whole point!
i've often said it would be more nice to see chill police just doing chill stuff. there's a couple of videos of really chill police, even in the US, but they are vastly outnumbered by the crazy shit (whether it be police or another aggressor). there's a video where a police officer stops a man on his MC, starts the question with "are you in a hurry anywhere?", "no" the guy replies, and then the cop starts explaining he wants to buy a MC and asks for advice, what he thinks of his own MC (it was a model he thought of getting himself), etc, just being really friendly, and the guy clearly is OK with it and seems pretty enthusiastic about MCs
iamdevo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:43:59 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Wait, are you saying it seems that half of people who get pulled over by US cops try to fuck with the cop and the other half would pull a gun on them? If that's what you're saying you couldn't be more wrong. Most people just want them to go the fuck away and so are cooperative.
A lot of cops are definitely on edge but that's the nature of the entire institution. They aren't the guardians of the innocent they purport to be. The only thing they care about is maintaining power in any given situation.
Honestly that's only how it is in some areas, like Portland. But honestly the majority of places I have lived (I am poor so I haven't lived in the best places) the cops have all been fine. And most people know how to behave around cops. This is anecdotal of course so take this with a grain of salt.
But only the crazy shit gets put on TV.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 03:20:25 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Oh I don't think I was shitting on the US, I was expressing concern for the people and cops there... Also yeah, I've been there myself and didn't see anything special first-hand, although TSA was pretty damn annoying and suspicious with international flights. The people I've interacted with were lovely all over the West coast, too.
Still, the people a tourist interacts with are hardly the average person in that country so I don't really try going off my own observations when I haven't actually lived somewhere.
I've had the exact same reflection about Japan: had a wonderful time there, still I know there's weird shit going on with overworked people and crushing loneliness, among others.
You're biased because you only see the bad stuff posted online. You don't see the countless other interactions in every city and town that happen every day across America. Hundreds of thousands of police stops every day. It's not urban warfare.
There's no excuse for the bad cops or the bad apples causing trouble. Any bad interaction is one too many, but it's still a tiny fraction of every police encounter.
Don't paint with such a broad brush, it's really disrespectful.
I'm aware of this bias, I've said it clearly many times. Don't call me disrespectful when I'm clearly trying my best to be objective and ready to learn.
I didn't do that though, I said that's what it looks like from an outsider's point of view with what we can see of it. You have to understand what I said, not what you think I'm saying.
I can read what you said. You called the U.S. a warzone, said you know it's not, but you don't care because that's what it looks like. You said there is something wrong with the way people behave in America. Everything you wrote is patently false and disrespectful.
The US kinda seem like a big urban warfare when you're looking at videos
Here I make it clear that I know that this is only a perception.
I just mean to say we see there might be something very wrong
M I G H T
I don't know how to say this more clearly, I was voicing concern here, concern for people who might suffer from a situation that might be real, judging from the few things I've seen. I admitted not knowing what I was talking about and asked people who know better how it actually is.
I don't know why you're donning this victim role right now, you're the only person in this whole thread who decided to criticize me for bringing this up, and many people have actually kind of confirmed that it is regularly pretty tense in some areas. There was no need to act offended here, I kept my comment as PC as possible without being hypocritical, and yet here you are, talking about how offensive I was. People like you kill interesting discussions instead of fueling the debate.
Your can cover all your bases and hedge all your perceptions and still be wrong.
There is a need to be offended because your comments are offensive. We don't need any more misinformation in this world. I'm the only one with criticism because this is reddit hive mind in action. It is what it is.
There's not a debate to be had here. You said it looks like America's police interactions are a warzone. It's not. That is not debatable.
You're getting angry here instead of explaining why it isn't, which I said was what I thought to be true to begin with. Other people have given excellent recounts of their own experiences and have taught me about their own point of view. The only thing you have done was chastising me and giving morality lessons. That's not how you sway someone's opinion. Your behaviour has made me completely impermeable to anything you may have to say, to be honest. Getting offended over something that is obviously not meant to be offensive is a great way to lose all credibility.
Anyway, I've had enough of that excuse for a conversation and others have been much more constructive so I don't need to keep this going. I was taught a lesson in this thread, I was shown how things really are, and you had nothing to do with it. Peace out.
[deleted] ยท -11 points ยท Posted at 22:50:19 on May 30, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Itโs absolutely nothing like that. High profile incidents you read about on the news make the news because theyโre unusual. Neither me nor anyone I know has ever had a bad experience with a cop. I mean, they give you a ticket if you were speeding which sucks but otherwise thatโs it.
Just to clarify, I was not bashing on the cops or saying everyone is crazy in the US, hahaha, I like to think I'm not that narrow-minded
I'm just saying the climate seems tense overall. There are videos of cops pulling up in mostly black neighborhoods where they'd get recorded as if everyone expected them to do something arbitrary and unjustified, as a means of defense. That does not seem like something that would happen in a generally quiet place... Obviously it's not that way everywhere in the country, but it's quite a distressing thought for someone like me who has never even heard of anything like that being needed in their country
On a side note, I was equally as shocked when stuff like that started happening in France, my second country. France is not looking good these years. Riots are ever more violent and people become entitled and unfair. Wage gaps are through the roof and it shows.
TL;DR : It's hard not to generalize, but there are signs that things are not all right in my opinion
The vast majority of traffic stops just have a cop writing someone a ticket and that being the end of it. Most cops go their entire career without ever pointing their weapon at someone.
This is very true. Which I think is why when it goes wrong, it goes so very wrong, especially in small towns. I'm not placing blame with anyone, it's not a job I could do. I've been in holdup situations when I worked at retail and I'm not going to say I followed the manual to the letter. I shut the fuck down and cried at first because it's scary.
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 03:08:40 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)*
I agree that bad cops need to be held accountable, and I fully support mandatory body cams. The best solution is to have a federal agency which is required to investigate all police shootings, and which is required to prosecute any shooting which is not justified by the facts.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 23:53:00 on May 30, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Even though all that is true, as a civilian, you never know if this interaction with a cop is going to be one of the ones that goes badly. That's the problem. You can't easily identify the good ones from the bad ones, and the "good" ones protect the bad ones from accountability, so they have no incentive to quit being a cop. Statistically, I should have no reason to fear the police, but I'm still hella nervous whenever I do have to speak with a cop.
In urban areas cops are dealing with a lot of different people. I would be on edge too.
All those public freak outs we see, all the crazy people we hear about, etc all of those are calls cops go to
It really is nerve wracking. They are risking their lives & they are not soldiers. Obviously.
So it isn't that it's exaggerated but that in reality that would be about the right amount of incidents proportional to the millions of possible problems walking around
[deleted] ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 23:46:56 on May 30, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, in the USA you never get out of your car when you get pulled over. That's basically asking to die.
Fucking hell. Am American. It's really scary how obviously true that is upon hearing it. I've never thought about it like that before- but yeah: I can't imagine trying to get out of your car being met with anything but a gun being pulled on you.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:10:25 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
I'm 18, I was pulled over once because I don't have a license plate on the front of my car, they no longer manufacture the bolts to do that for my model of vehicle and I haven't been able to find them anywhere so I keep my front license plate next to my cupholder in case I get pulled over.
As soon as I reached for my license plate I noticed the officer put his hand on his gun. American police are trigger happy.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 23:28:19 on May 30, 2019 ยท (Permalink)*
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Fredex8 ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 00:15:34 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
I've heard that in some Asian countries bribery is sort of expected if you want any help from the police. Obviously it has an even darker side too though. An Indian friend told me that his dad was once driving with someone when he was young and hit something on a dark road. They didn't know what it was and carried on but when they got home they found blood all over the bumper and a severed hand stuck in the grill. They weren't drunk or speeding or anything and it was a genuine accident in which the pedestrian was probably at fault for walking down the middle of a dark road (though the driver should have stopped to check) but when he told his father he immediately went to the police with the hand, explained what had happened and just paid them to ignore the incident.
I live in a country where it isnt typically needed either.
But to my uneducated eye - isnt the main issue with police in America, the amount of guns that the public have?
I mean, in my country, if you do pull over someone who wants to hurt you or wants to run, they will at worst have a knife or bat. I have police officer friends and they say finding a pistol is incredibly rare. Most have never even encountered an illegal one.
But in america, the chance of that person having a pistol or rifle is comparitively super high. I mean, we havent had a single police officer killed in 2 years, yet america is up to 19 so far this year.
I have a gun license, im not anti-gun. But i feel id be far more on edge being an officer in the states than an officer in aus.
Police are more likely to commit suicide than die in the line of duty in the US, four times as likely to kill unarmed people, and more likely to kill an unarmed black person than to die in the line of duty.
In 13 of the 100 largest cities, black men are killed at higher than the US murder rate.
Guns are an excuse. The militarization of the police and treatment of citizens as an occupied insurrection is the real reason.
Guns aren't an excuse for us overpolicing in the first place, being the only developed nation with the death penalty, etc. These are core cultural issues in our legal system.
Yeah, your legal system and sentences seem pretty over the top - but it can be hard to find a balance. Here in australia we had a horror year a couple of years ago where multiple women were murdered at random by men on bail.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:54:42 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Well, there was a time when cops were killed daily in America, it was so dangerous to be a cop, that they had to change things, sadly it got to far, but you should get that also cops are in a hard position every day
Aido121 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:01:55 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
It's really not that bad. I've been pulled over about a dozen times total, only one time was even a little uncomfortable, and I don't blame the cop at all.
They were all super polite and nice, even the uncomfortable one. He just asked me like 15 times if i had weed in my car (i didn't) so there's that.
I luckily live in a country where recording isn't needed
Oh come on. Like, I'm not saying the situation isn't better, but this type of condensation is unhelpful and very likely false. I'm sure there are plenty of instances where people have had horrible encounters with cops.
Zetch88 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:00:27 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
If you have a horrible encounter with the police over here, you're the asshole.
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 03:12:58 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
"I luckily live in a country where the police are honest and self-defence isn't necessary."
I'm glad for you, buddy. I hope you have fun with the unicorns and fairies, too.
Kinda fucked up that despite the law allowing you to record police in almost every situation, cops are allowed to lie and intimidate you into turning off the camera.
In America you have to bend over backwards for the police cause it is entirely possible a cop could ruin your life and face no consequences. Imagine if it was like that for all industries, imagine if you weren't super nice to the cashier and as a consequence you went to prison or got shot.
This is absolutely the wrong mentality. You always want them to see the camera and see that you're recording. It's a deterrent more than anything.
If you hide it and they're shitty cops, they'll do shitty things. Sure, you have a potentially winning case on your hands with the video, but you still got fucked up. Make damn sure they know you're recording and they'd be a damn fool to do shitty things.
Same with security cameras at your house. Put them in plain sight.
Bullies only bully when they think they'll get away with it. You let them know there's no way they're getting away with it and the chances of them being a bully drop significantly.
zangent ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:20:32 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
If they see your camera, there's the chance that they'll throw their weight around and try to get you to stop recording. Legally, I don't think they can force you to, but I have a feeling that I, and a lot of other people, would probably cave under the pressure. If you don't disclose that you're recording, though, you have a safety net and solid proof of anything they do to you. I would definitely side with keeping the camera a secret.
If a cop has malicious intent, wouldn't you want him to know he's being recorded. You know, to dissuade from him doing something that would force him to pay a fine... Like shooting unarmed black children?
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 00:13:37 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)*
Is your brain smooth? Do you know how often people record police and don't get shot. Everyday. Show me an example of someone getting shot for recording the police, because I can show you plenty of ones that didn't get shot.
Yea I was wrong. You don't need to record a cop for them to legally shoot you. They can do that at any time. Still the recording will provoke their power trip.
No, but that wasn't why he was shot. The police believed they were responding to someone who had just killed someone and had a hostage. All the fault falls on the person who made the swatting call.
He makes a sudden move into something like a shooting stance. Maybe if there is swat officers pointing rifles at you, don't take a shooting stance. This incident is tragic, and he did not deserve to be shot, but look at it from the officers point of view, dispatch told you this guy just killed someone with a gun and he has a hostage. He opens the door and makes a sudden move. He could be moving to shoot at you. You have less than a second to make a choice, and if you choose wrong you or your buddy could die.
Will do, it's legal and any cop with 1 functioning brain cell will not pull a gun on you for it, let alone shoot you on camera, for simply recording them.
You're aware it's legal for a cop to shoot anyone so long as they tell a grand jury they "felt threatened" right? They have cops shooting people running away, who felt threatened by the person fleeing. Legal.
Yeah maybe if you run up with a camera In their face after a really intense moment like a fight or shooting. If people would know the right time and place to do things it wouldnโt be a problem. Such a stupid fucking argument. If everyone would stop the hate and love each other we wouldnโt have these societal problems. You canโt fight hate with more hate. Love our cops bespite their mistakes. Love trumps hate in all manners and maybe if we would have a little more love for each other there wouldnโt be a need for police ๐ญ
You are making shit up and it's hurting your argument. Police brutality and lack of accountability is a grave problem but what you're saying (that a cop will shoot you on sight of a camera) is a gross exaggeration and it hurts your point.
no argument here, but that's not what the OP is talking about.
saying 'it's more dangerous for PoC to visibly film cops than it is for white people' is not the same thing as 'if you film a cop they will murder you and get away with it'.
The point is it's far riskier than it should be. Obviously the instadeath is hyperbole; the camera might get viewed as an escalation or threat, however, and that could lead the interaction down a very bad road. Yes it takes time and escalation to get to the point guns are drawn.
Have we gotten pedantic enough? Should we get even more pedantic?
If you want to make a similar thing for Android Iโm not stopping you. I made this for iPhone because thatโs what I have access to and know how to do.
Sorry if you donโt approve of something I made for free in my spare time.
Plenty of people have already found it quite useful ยฏ\_(ใ)_/ยฏ
People can be entitled dicks when it comes to Freeware/FOSS. I'm sorry for that, and thanks for the awesome job. I may create an Android version if I get to it.
And yeah, itโs a fairly basic script is all, even if the exact thing doesnโt exist on Android something similar surely does (just not familiar enough with Android to know), but here are the actions of my script to give you a basic idea of whatโs happening if you want to use something similar with whatever is available on Android:
and its totally understandable. since I really doubt he is getting paid for making it, is really not my place to tell him what to do. I just made a point to say that most people that get discriminated by cops are poor and usually iphones are rather expensive.
To criticise at all just seems fruitless. What heโs created will still potentially help loads of people. Itโs not his fault many people canโt afford iPhones
My Pixel 3 came with a lockdown feature. When enabled, a lockdown button appears on screen after holding the power button down. When activated, it disables fingerprint login and requires a passcode to unlock.
background video record + tasker, and then use one of those launchers where you swipe from the side of the screen to start the task (swiftly switch) because its seems more reliable then having to use siri.
plus it's going to sound dumb if the cop is walking towards your car and they hear you frantically trying to get the voice command right
I think it would be relatively easy to do this with an NFC tag though I donโt know if it can do everything the shortcut can. Alexa has stuff like this (as seen in the memes) but itโs not on your phone. It would be interesting to see if Google Assistant can do it.
nizdi ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:58:44 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Hey, that's no true! I live in a third wolrd shithole and I don't need it. If a cop stop me I'll die anyway, I prefer to do not drain my battery with a useless video.
I actually love their charging plugs. Fuck them for taking their headphones out and other things like that. But the charging plugs on iphones are the fucking tits.
If they let everyone use them royality free that would be awesome. They feel very sturdy compared to micro USB.
If they let everyone use them royality free that would be awesome.
That's the problem though. Even the cables they charge a fee to make them and lock them down with proprietary bullshit. The designs are usually great though. I wouldn't have to constantly send my laptop in for repairs if they could use the magnetic connector that Apple uses for their laptops.
I think USB-C should be an improvement but I haven't had the chance to experience it yet.
Well no android phones use micro usb anymore anyways. Havent really for a couple years except maybe really cheap ones idk? Since the s8 its been all usb-c
Weird because Iโd consider this to be leaning towards customization. The very thing most of reddit complains about not being able to do on Apple products. This shows how far up their own ass people are for this Apple hate train.
linnftw ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 00:50:09 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Some cheaper Android phones still use micro USB. I donโt know what anyone here is complaining about. Apple seems to change their cable like, once every 10 years? (30 pin came out in 2003, Lightning came out in 2012, USB-C for iPads was 2018) And changing the iPad to be USB-C is an undeniably positive change.
Oh yeah thanks, I forgot about that. The thing is the iPad is supposed to be a MacBook alternative and they both use usb C. Not defending that decision though, itโs dumb af and lighting works fine. I hope iPhone doesnโt use usb C though because I hate how thick it is and how the cable is female instead of male. It makes the entire thing too thick and means the cable can easily get stuff stuck in it. I already destroy lighting cables super fast, and now theyโre gonna be even more complicated(
I have been using the same USB C cable for three years, and I burned through Micro USB cables fast. And lightning. Anecdotally speaking I believe USB C is far, far more durable. I have never had a single USB C cable fail, except for when the cat chewed through one
Oh yeah I donโt have those issues because of them breaking, I have those issues because of dust and moisture. Generally I can fix them just by cleaning the cable end (it builds up carbon whenever my phone is damp and I plug it in), but on usb c thatโll be super hard. Also itโs way thicker which I hate
This makes me want to throw up. I got pulled over yesterday and it was such an minor non-event. Thinking about how much (justifiable) fear other people have when they go through the same thing is horrifying.
I got pulled over the other day, and homie was trying REAL hard to get into my car. Telling me I was being too polite and he needs to get his K9. I said no. My fiance was crying. All in all extremely stressful
EDIT: Iโm white, fiancรฉ hispanic, pulled over for 5mph over speed limit in Illinois. Provided my ID as passenger when he asked - just to play nice after seeing the guy from Wu-tang get messed up for refusing. Figured he was looking to get his ticket quota but was actually looking for a drug bust. Like a gram of weed in the car but he couldnโt secure probable cause. Keep your gear in the trunk gang.
Right? Told him Iโm being polite because I grew up in the midwest, my dad was a trooper, so I know you gotta be nice, and heโs like โA HA! You said you were from the East coast!โ
Naw bitch I went to college out there. Homie really thought he caught me in a lie. Donโt answer personal questions.
reduces ยท 123 points ยท Posted at 01:56:04 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Fucking asshole on a power Trip. I know it's hard to not answer personal questions and be personable if you're a polite person but damn, the little they know the better. Sorry you had that experience and I hope your girl is doing better.
JonnyAU ยท 31 points ยท Posted at 12:43:23 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Yup. I remember my friend getting pulled over once when we were teenagers and he answered the officer with the usual "yes sir" and "no sir" as you do down here in the South. And the cop gave him the stink eye and yelled "Dont you 'sir' me!!"
My grandmother got pulled over (in the south) several years ago with me in the car. Going 5 over or something like that. Officer called her "lady", and my grandmother replied "That's ma'am to you, young man. Just because I lost track of my speed doesn't excuse proper manners!". He said "yes ma'am" and brought back her speeding ticket. Yes we're white.
ngwoo ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 13:58:29 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Douchebags are pissed that come the first of January they can't bust anyone for less then 30 grams here in Illinois. Fuck them, I hope half lose their jobs.
I had some psycho/creeper almost hit me twice because he was on his phone. I motioned to him to hang up his phone and he followed me 30 minutes to my work and followed me in the parking lot. I got freaked out and headed to the local PD instead. Found a cop on the side of the road and pulled over. Guy kept driving. Cop grilled me on why I was visibly shaking. Maybe because this guy followed me from my home to my place of work and it creeped me out?
Now this guy knows where I live and work and I know nothing about him or what is/was going through his head.
Jesus H, that sounds terrible. Shit like this is why I have a tough time with the "cops may cause problems, but they provide us with so much safety." Do they? Because I've had zero positive interactions with police. And come to think of it, I don't know that I've known someone personally who had a "better than average" interaction with a cop.
viperex ยท 91 points ยท Posted at 00:16:52 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Hate to go there but are you the same color as the officer?
Because they hit more often than not even when thereโs nothing in the car. Drug sniffing dogs are just a way for cops to violate your fourth amendment rights.
ngwoo ยท 29 points ยท Posted at 13:59:43 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
I still can't fathom how the law allows an animal that eats its own shit to make the decision to override the Constitution.
No, it was stressful to be grilled on whether I was smuggling heroin and cocaine while my fiance cried, and then poking holes in my life story followed by attempting to coerce his way into my car with his K9 with my cat in the car.
I don't feel the war on drugs is nearly as justified as it pretends to be, and he didn't have any reason to search the car, but in the future try to keep that stuff out of your car, my dude. That will lax the situation a lot more.
[deleted] ยท -11 points ยท Posted at 01:52:15 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Fuck Illinois police. I moved out of there years ago and I get called 3 times per week by the police begging for donations. It's always the same couple guys at the station too and they've got the wrong name every time. "No I'm not Jim, no I'm not sending you money" x3
[deleted] ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 03:11:27 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)*
I still get those calls 10 years after moving out of Illinois. I've never given them a dime and yet they call me several times a year. No matter what I try, they won't take me off the list.
If you've got the time to mess with them, say yes to everything they ask. When they ask for a credit card number look at your card and give them randomized digits in the same format as your card. Tell them it must be expired and repeat with another card. Keep doing this until you drive them mad. Usually prevents calls for at least a while. And yeah I moved outta there 11ish years ago and it started e years ago. Do you still have an Illinois area code in your phone number? I haven't changed mine since I moved so I'm thinking that's what it is.
It's fucking weed dude. It's harmless. "Lol well it turns out the guy actually did have Jews hiding in his attic ๐คทโโ๏ธ" That's what you sound like right now. Dumbass.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:07:40 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
? I donโt care about weed, just saying the cop was right in the fact that he believed the guy was holding drugs lol
I had a buddy the other day that had 3-4 grams of weed. He got pulled over and the cop asked if he was under the influence. He said no he just bought it and was on his way home to smoke. Cop told him to have a fun night and let him off with a warning for a rolling stop.
Crazy to think that an hour south of here you can go to prison for that.
On your person is the best place to have it, especially the sock/shoe. Traffic stops are considered Terry stops, and a cop can only legally pat you down for weapons and nothing else. A search warrant for your car can be as easy to get as 'I smell weed' whereas your body can't be searched until you're arrested (NOT detained)
Uh, this isn't true. They can ask you to take off your shoes and socks, why wouldn't they be able to do that? Or are you telling me the charge I had for something in my sock could have been thrown out? Lawyer didn't seem to think so.
Yea, some thinks work in theory but not in practice. Like the K9 dog smelling marijuana in a car when you haven't smoked marijuana in years. The cops can take off your shoes and look in. Em if they want to man, try telling a cop no to taking off your shoes
Somebody from Wu-tang refused to provide his ID to a police officer during a traffic stop - which is completely legal in California. Only the driver is obliged to provide it. In any case, he got arrested for knowing his rights. Saw it on /r/videos, just tried to find it but failed
Calsun ยท 77 points ยท Posted at 01:39:17 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)*
I'm like... 6 for 6 on cops pulling me over and being assholes. Maybe its just the area I live in. No clue...
I got a ticket for going 27 in a 25 on a Sunday morning when I told the officer I was driving to meet my family for breakfast.
I got a ticket for taking an "illegal right" hand turn because my right tire crossed over the white line during my turn.
I got a ticket for going 57 in a 55 because "I think you were going 57 back in that 45 zone" which I was not....
A friend of mine who was accepted to med school (has since graduated) at the time was pulled over for "obstructing traffic" because a cop was pacing him downtown and when my friend slowed down to change to the left lane to take a left the cop slowed down with him... eventually my friend was going about 10 MPG and the cop was still pacing him behind him and to the left (the lane he was needed to get into). This cop gave my friend a DUI and a ticket for carrying a weapon while intoxicated (he had a pocket knife of legal length). They illegally drew his blood at the station and he was at a 0.0%
I've never met a patrol officer and thought "This guy seems like a nice and reasonable guy"....They're literally all dickbags.
Edit: these were almost all in or around Boise, ID
I've had a few decent situations. New car that didn't have automatic headlights but the day time driving lights were so bright I didn't notice.
Every ticket I've gotten was complete bullshit though. Twice for not stopping at a stop sign, even though I'm incredibly anal about doing full stops. They didn't have the visibility to see that I stopped. Going over the speed limit even though the sign was visible from where I was ticketed. Passing in the center lane even though I had proof I was making a left turn into my work. I even had my work badge on me and showed him.
New car that didn't have automatic headlights but the day time driving lights were so bright I didn't notice.
Iโm sorry you got that ticket, but if you donโt mind me asking, what car was it? Having DRLs but no automatic headlights is such a weird combination.
Also Iโm not sure if your car has it but a lot of cars with electronic gauges have a yellow or green headlight symbol for headlights, and a blue one for high beams. Great way to make sure your headlights are on before you drive off, and make sure youโre not driving around with your high beams on and blinding everyone.
My old car was an 08 Jetta and it had DRL but not automatic headlights. Although the DRL were just the low beams. Turning the lights to on just turned on the running lights.
27 in a 25?? In NJ you're more likely to get a ticket for obstructing traffic at that speed. Does your car have "FUCK THE POLICE" bumper stickers all over or something? Cause damn.
On the flipside, I've been pulled over 4 times and I've only been irritated with one of them's behavior. He was in the process of handing my driver's license back and I reached my hand out for it, and he yanked it back saying something like "Excuse me, you don't reach for it, I hand it to you." It was super pedantic.
One of the cops pulled me over two times in as many days because I have a bad habit of not holding my speed back when going downhill. He was nice and I'm grateful that he gave me a warning both times.
I'm a pretty inconspicuous white woman though and I just assume that has everything to do with it.
No no โyou donโt reach for it, I hand it to youโ is total power trip bullshit. So fucking gross
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 04:35:40 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Iโve had good and bad experiences.
Worst was getting a minor in possession 2 weeks before my 21st birthday for carrying a sixer of bud light in a parking lot. Handcuffed and detained in the backseat for a half hour.
Best was a really young cop who actually apologized for pulling me over for an illegal U turn and let me go with a warning.
All the others the cops were just really brusque. But not overly rude or mean.
Once I got a real job and a nicer car I stopped getting pulled over ๐
xvshx ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 06:05:57 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
It's expensive (and dangerous) to be (or look) poor (or like a minority).
I've been pulled over twice within a few months, this year, got off with a warning both times. I didn't wait long enough at a stop and got caught. I think it helps that I'm White, but also that it's a college town(or at least the part of town I live in is), in the middle of bumfuck nowhere East Texas.
Erryuio ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:44:15 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Christ on a stick when I read this I'm thankful we don't have this problem here. Cops are considered too soft sometimes. Firing one bullet (even if it's a warning shot) causes heaps of paperwork
Itโs absurd to blame an entire police department for this guy being an asshole. It is unreasonable media induced paranoia to think that you arenโt safe around all police officers.
xvshx ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:49:38 on June 2, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Why do American cops have undercover vehicles? I don't even feel safe around civilian vehicles because of this. Do you have an extraordinarily good experience with cops or, let me guess, your daddy works down at the station?
I remember seeing an article about a school providing kids training for how to safely interact with police. Because it's totally the children at fault, not the crazy adults with guns.
Yep. Got pulled over a while back in the middle of the night in Warsaw, Poland. I have just landed and was driving a rental and was a little dazed and confused. Missed the turn twice which meant I drove next to the police patrol car twice and twice did a semi legal (but very careful) right turn. The cops were lovely! They helped me to find my way and didnโt even get annoyed with me when I couldnโt find my rentalโs papers. Apparently I didnโt even need them because they can check it all online these days. They wished me safe journey and that was that.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:26:03 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Heck, even the cops in a police state like China are nicer.
(As long as you are suspected of crimes against the state that is. But normal stuff like speeding or jaywalking and they are surprisingly chill.)
Deleteq ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 02:14:40 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
I got pulled over and harassed for turning around in a McDonald's parking lot.
They originated as a way to hunt down escaped slaves. They selectively enforce property rights, much more for companies than for individuals. They murder with impunity, and not just non whites- see Daniel Carver.
Iโve had nothing but good experiences with the police and the times Iโve been pulled over they were right to do so (speeding, tail light out, etc) and Iโd still use this. Even if your police interactions are minor non-events it doesnโt hurt to have your own record of events in case you find yourself facing charges โ mistakes happen even with people that have no malicious intent.
Hell, even if it wasnโt a mistake you may be able to get off or get reduced penalties if the officer didnโt follow procedure/protocol totally correctly.
I say that as a minority. You have every right to be proud of who you are or whatever. All my stops have always been non events too.
Yes maybe I've been eyed suspiciously late at night due to my skin color... But that might have more to do with the crime in the area etc.
Turning my cabin lights on, turning the car off, casually resting my hands on top of the steering wheel/in plain view, etc
Having the music off. Not acting like this cop already knew what he was gonna book me for. Being respectful.
I know that wouldn't stuff the devil incarnate from shooting me through the windshield but it really is a non event. Unless you give them reason to.
It is not horrifying. It's questionably justifiable. **Just seems like political rhetoric" to me. I have yet to see an objective study. Leave your bubble & go talk to inner city cops or cops from the ugly neighborhoods & see why they pull over people like it's serious fuckin business. Especially in the hood.
He didnโt confirm anything of the sort. He said they act like itโs serious business especially in the hood. Heโs referring to the act of pulling people over being more dangerous in the hood and so theyโd have more reason to be on edge.
Edit: also anyone can live in the hood, not just minorities.
"Anyone can live in the hood" holy shit are you ignorant. Yeah anyone can leave anywhere. Its so simple to just live out of the hood. Nevermind 90% of hood communities are minorities
Very reasonable response. Iโve been pulled over a few times and I know to kill the engine, turn on lights, hands on wheel and donโt get the fuck out of the car lol. All this was taught in drivers ed, very basic shit. None of my cops were unreasonable and actually were very pleasant.
Mrka12 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:14:25 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
No, Iโm literally not that person at all, why are you making dumb assumptions? I literally just told you I do illegal things. I speed. I drive home from the bar within reason. I have weed on me. Sometimes even more if itโs a fancy time.
when things are so bad that the creepy surveillance devices in your car are possibly good things to have. what irony it would be if siri ratted you out for something in the first place.
Ask Siri โwhose phone is this?โ and it will auto-lock your phone and require your PIN on next unlock (instead of FaceID/TouchID).
You cannot be compelled to give up your passcode legally, but your fingerprint/face can be compelled/subpoenaed. Fun fact.
EDIT: invoke the command when the screen is off/locked. Wonโt work when the screen is on and the phone is unlocked. Press the lock button then issue the command. Youโll need hands-free Siri enabled for this, so itโs iPhone 6s and newer.
Just tried. It shows three options: shut down, sos-emergency signal and cancel. When you tap cancel, you cannot use touch ID; you have to use a code to unlock the screen.
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 13:00:09 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
I just have to power off my phone and it won't even finish powering on without a pin entered, no fingerprint allowed.
You cannot be compelled to give up your passcode legally, but your fingerprint/face can be compelled/subpoenaed. Fun fact.
Legality is not the only issue. Your face scan or fingerprint can be physically forced. No one can (yet) forcibly read a passphrase from your brain. It's a matter of factual ability, not just law (besides, if you don't think cops will forcibly unlock something whether or not it is technically "legal", you don't know squat).
Harder to do this on the X-series, holding down the lock/power button invokes Siri, doesnโt power off the phone. You power it off through Settings, General, Power off.
If you don't have an iOS device, or can't think fast enough to lock it through this process, turn off the phone and it always asks for the PIN when you turn it on.
So you can do the โwhose phone is thisโ query and then manually launch the camera and start filming, but I havenโt figured out how to launch a Shortcut action while locked.
All my photos and videos get synced to iCloud so presumably any recorded video would get auto synced to iCloud and pulled down by my other devices.
iCloud is the same price as GDrive and Dropbox, $9.99/mo for 2TB. OneDrive is better priced than all of them since you get Office 365 & 5TB shared across 5 accounts.
iCloud storage is the most convenient if youโre in the Apple ecosystem and have multiple people/devices. I share the 2TB iCloud plan with my wife and parents (to automate their backups and such) and it works great.
Dropbox is much better with automated tasks and the extensions. iCloud is only good if you're going full Apple, like you say. But my comment was mainly referring to the fact that you get more storage for free on other services besides iCloud.
Not even including the fact that with Onedrive, if you have an .edu email, you can get 1TB+Office 365 for free.
Of them all, I prefer OneDrive the most, then iCloud. I have the 2TB iCloud plan and the $9.99/mo Office 365 family plan (again, shared with the wife and family). OD has the Files On Demand feature and is cross platform, which is great since I have both a Mac laptop and a PC desktop.
Also, not all schools participate in that OD/.edu thing, my alma mater doesnโt. They do give us alumni.__.edu emails which give us unlimited Google Drive however, so thatโs nice.
tridion ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:50:04 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Yep I know. Itโs a choice youโve got to make though - you wonโt be recording the video of the encounter if your phone is locked.
Iakeman ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:52:03 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
you can record video while your phone is locked. swipe left from the lockscreen to get to the camera.
You can get it off iCloud as a shortcut. I only found out about it from this thread, but it looks like itโs similar to installing a browser extension. Thereโs a link to this specific shortcut in a top level comment on this thread.
I was assaulted and raped at knifepoint in my own car. When I called the police, all of the responders were male. They took my phone and were attempting to look through it (I donโt know why). They never caught the guy but they sure as fuck ruined any faith I had in the police being โgood guys.โ
What would be the point in my arguing? I know what technocracy is, and I said exactly what I meant. Maybe you donโt understand what technocracy means in this context, and itโs easier to declare that I belong in r/iamverysmart than to try to figure it out? I donโt mean to dismiss what you say, but to simply assume my ignorance seems pretty unfair.
Murgie ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:27:04 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)*
You don't, you just need to use it to refer to what its definition refers to.
A technocracy, for reference, is a form of government in which decision-makers are selected on the basis of their expertise in the given field or area of responsibility which they're expected to oversee. So climate related matters would be handled by climate scientists, healthcare related matters would be handled by epidemiologists and the like, physical infrastructure would be handled by urban planners, civil engineers, and so on.
And as I'm sure you are aware, the United States -particularly the current administration- currently falls short of this concept. There are members of the science council who straight up deny evolutionary theory, never mind anthropogenic climate change.
What you were thinking of is something called a plutocracy.
marblar ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:46:00 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)*
Technocratic isn't necessarily good. I'd argue that, if anything, it's most commonly used to refer to an imagined system with an oppressive bureaucracy that legitimizes itself with self-declared "expertise". I'm thinking something like China or Terry Gilliam's Brazil.
The OP you replied to is using technocratic in this sense. The corporate-dominated economic system in the US is pretty technocratic. It hires laborers, accountants, CEOs, etc. based on their capabilities, talents, and education (for the most part). But this system also perpetuates existing inequities. It hires employees with the best training, from the best schools, but has little sympathy for anyone else.
This idea of an oppressive technocracy is also related to the myth of meritocracy. Meritocracy was itself a term originally coined to refer pejoratively to an imagined dystopian society that arises from the oppression of the talent-less.
I mean you could consult countries that have had structural adjustment programmes enforced on them by the IMF and youโd see the a fraction of the results of a technocratic government.
Ya because all of that empirical evidence that exists saying that people 'didn't have fun' before 2007 and that we're definitely not miserable now in this dystopia that's been created.
Sorry if this has been said but (if you have facial recognition on) its a good idea to restart your phone becauae then they cant just point it at your face be like "oh its unlocked" and look through it.
As an officer I'm good with this. If it makes you feel less tense cool. I've no intention of hurting anyone. Besides I got my stuff recording too so fair is fair.
If an officer has a problem with being recorded maybe he should reevaluate his disposition of the job.
I'm fairly set in my ways. Been at it for awhile now. It takes way more energy for me to be a dick then just being cool with people. I actually rather give warnings then arrest or ticket people.
Agunlian ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:48:29 on October 20, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
yeah its really important to have those videos so when we can be 100% sure the cop murdered the unarmed black guy we can give em 4 months of paid leave instead of 3. that'll really show em, good work boyz
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:30:33 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
โPut your car in parkโ
person tries to comply
โHeโs got a gunโ
You: I don't give a fuck about this guy's feelings.
Me: That's a bit uncalled for.
You: THIS GUY IS SCREAMING ESCALATION!!!
I mean, it wasn't me turning this into an emotional shouting match. I just don't get why we wouldn't encourage a very rare positive, pro-civility stance from a police officer when there are clearly so many out there who don't share that position.
Cops are never there to protect you or your rights, whatever is coming out of their mouths at any given time. Falling for that shit is part of the problem.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:22:24 on June 1, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
OH SHIT! I've run into "COMMON SENSE." Oh, whatever shall I do?!
I mean, if you're black they're about as likely to shoot you as anyone breaking in. They're also almost always useless in a home break-in, as the person doing the breaking is usually long gone by the time the cops arrive. And so it is with most crimes you'd hope the police might help you with: generally you'll get to tell them what happened after the fact (like you could tell anyone else), and that'll be it.
To some extent we've insisted that cops at least make the pretense of enforcing laws that protect the rest of us (otherwise we'd likely never stand for their existence), but their main purpose has always been to protect the state and the property and interests of the wealthy and to repress the self-determination (our ability to live, thrive, organize, self-govern, and sustain ourselves independently) of the "common folk." It's still almost entirely what they act on, and being the fundamental design of the institution, always will beโuntil we finally abolish them, that is.
Yes, I know we've all been fed the Law and Order/Cops/CSI coproganda and many still believe cops are some glorious, divine band of heroes without which we'd certainly all just be murdered on the spot, but that's completely unfactual and ahistoric.
If that's not what they are there for, then you wouldn't be able to hold them to that standard. The issue here is that this IS what they're there for - police in the US just tend to be underfunded, insufficiently trained (with a really low barrier of entry) and understaffed for the area they have to cover. In addition, broad availability of firearms in combination with an overall rather violent culture (firearms alone aren't the issue) lead to even more qualified cops on one hand having to be borderline paranoid and, on the other hand, people with violent tendencies entering the police force.
Again, that's not to say that there aren't many police officers who do deserve credit for their work and many who would do an actually good job given better training, equipment and oversight.
I installed the shortcut, it works manually running but Siri keeps telling me she donโt know what the hell im talking about
FbK_536 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:41:32 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Go to Shortcuts app, to Library, click on the dots on the corner of the shortcut โPulled over the Policeโ. then click on the top right corner which resembles the toggle on and toggle off button. You will reach Settings. There youโll find a option โAdd to Siriโ. You have to save it with your voice. ๐
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 02:09:15 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
This is actually awesome. I was in a situation with a dangerous, unstable person who threatened to kill me at one point. Basically every time I got home I was liable to run into this asshole, he lived down my hallways. It was a nightmare.
Every time I left my apartment I started the recorder on my phone in case something happened. I was also worried that if I got the recording and he realized it he would smash my phone or delete it or some shit. Itโs great that Siri will send the video to someone for that reason.
Idk, it was just a fucked up situation and itโs cool to know this sort of thing exists.
ericsvw ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 04:06:30 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Is there an Android version of this?
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 05:14:18 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
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ericsvw ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:31:18 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
These days you can add shortcuts to siri: a predefined phrase that will trigger certain functionalities. I never used this myself, but you would need to set up this specific shortcut for it to work.
People have unjustly been killed by the state for literally all of history. This is just one way of counteracting the governments ability to get away with it in a country with a rule of law.
wait, is that real? thats really saying something about how messed up things are if phones come with a "i might be about to be wrongfully murdered and want evidence button"
DetN8 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 08:40:36 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
No, this is something a user made to run through an iphone app. This is not a default feature of the phone.
owleaf ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:34:03 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
I mean you can literally say that to Siri and itโll activate this shortcut. You can teach Siri to activate a shortcut when you say a specific phrase. But yeah this really shouldnโt need to exist
It would be helpful if this also required a PIN/Password to unlock your phone after being pulled over. A few court cases have set a precedent that police can compel you to unlock your phone using fingerprint/face recognition/ voice recognition. But they can't compel you to enter a PIN/ password. If I'm ever being pulled over, I always restart my phone, as it requires a PIN on bootup.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 09:48:54 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
I'm just thankful I haven't been raped when pulled over. Twice I was made to get in the back seat of the police car while they did their thing. That was terrifying.
Sectus ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:55:00 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
The job just kind of makes you that way. There's nothing that can really be done about it. With the political climate the way it is, the dangers of the job, and how much people treat you horribly regardless of what decision you make, it really forces a negative outlook on life onto you. Hence why some of them are so unfriendly.
You try being under public scrutiny 24/7 for the smallest decision.
Not very dystopian. Just saying. Especially when the top comment is the download link.
Luks3n ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:32:36 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
That this sounds like a very sensible idea to many US Americans just shows how f'ed up the situation in America is. This would be an entirely outlandish thing in Europe. But I somewhat get it, when one has to assume that every car driver has a firearm before having established the opposite the police have to act differently.
That such a thing exists and apparently is useful just baffles my European mind.
Sorry but can someone tell me how to do all of this step by step? Iโm sorry Iโm just trying to set this up because Iโm getting my license and this could really come in handy itโs kind of confusing for me
Man this really sucks. The fact that we need this, and people (Especially all of the people with darker-coloured skin) feel they need this.
I kind of wanted to be a cop when I was younger, and it still feels like something I might want to do when Iโm older, but if when Iโm a cop and I pull someone over and Iโm fretting about whether they think Iโm gonna shoot them? Thatโs fucked up. Hearts out to all the victims, and the family and friends of the victims of police violence and brutality.
Iโm brown and ever since I was 13 Iโve been tense around police officers.
Afyoogu ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:57:20 on August 26, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
send that video to a pre-designated contact
ah, so after the cops murder you, sprinkle the requisite amount of crack, realize all that was recorded, and destroy your phone, there's still a record of it somewhere. how thoughtful
Agunlian ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:47:25 on October 20, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
its funny that it sends the video to a contact because theres a real chance a random psychopath with a badge will murder you on a power trip and destroy your phone to erase the video. what a hoot.
Alright, yโall need to calm down and stop acting like you have a 1/10 chance of getting shot during a traffic stop.
On average there are about 20,000,000 traffic stops conducted by police a year
In 2018 1,083 people were shot and killed by police officers
Now I am going to say even though this is 100% false that every single police shooting took place during a traffic stop.
Even still that means you have a 0.00005% chance of getting killed during a traffic stop.
Bear in mind you have a 0.03% chance of dying in a DUI accident, this means you 500 times more likely to die in a DUI wreck then in a traffic stop, and that is assuming that all 1,083 police shootings took place during a traffic stop.
I find the risk of dying by meteorite strike acceptable. I donโt worry about when I leave my house. Itโs one of those โoh well what can you doโ. The risk of death by cop should be lower than that. It should be zero. Anything larger than zero, no matter how minuscule, assuming Iโve done nothing wrong, is unacceptable.
Why is is weird that people get a resiting arrest charge? Are you saying people should be allowed to flee from and attack the police if they don't want to be arrested? That just doesn't make sense. Resiting arrest isn't what people get arrested for, it is just a charge added to whatever they were already being arrested for.
Also, almost all police officers wear a body camera, and if you want the footage from an incedent, call the police or sheriff's department and they will almost always give you the footage.
This is an extremely common tactic used all over america and it's a pretty well-known way for cops to push their weight around when you aren't doing anything wrong. Just google about resisting arrest being the only charge.
If it's so common why haven't you given me a specific example yet? Because I googled it and I'm not seeing any specific cases, only broad generalizations.
So wait, all the articles about it mean nothing to you? In this climate of police shootings on video, you really think someone getting arrested for resisting arrest is going to make national headlines?
First off, your article does not go into depth at all about the case. Additional research will bring you to the fact the he disobeyed a police order. He was detained for 15 hours then released with no charges.
First off, your article does not go into depth at all about the case.
Your goalpost shifting is obnoxious. You seem to think this doesn't happen at all, then I show this does happen, and you say the article isn't good enough. Like...what do you want here other than to feel right?
Additional research will bring you to the fact the he disobeyed a police order.
Here is an article that goes into more depth. It even has a video from the case. The person that got arrested "just for resisting arrest" did not even need to get themselves involved. They put themselves into a situation where they were interfering with the police.
As for what I want here, I honestly just hate it when people just blindly hate on the police. I understand that some police do make mistakes, and there is some police who are less than unbiased, but I just dont like it when people generalize all police by these few bad officers. Often it's not even the officers fault, but rather poor training. This blind hatred of police is unsafe for multiple reasons. It make people scared of the police. This adds tension to even a simple traffic stop, making the potential for it to turn violent much greater. This police hatred also can get police killed, like in the Dallas shooting.
By the way, I just wanted to say I appreciate your debate skills. Rather than resorting to ad hominem you actually argued, unlike most of the anti-police people, and I appreciate that.
I don't see much of a reason that Apple wouldn't do such a thing. Their company has a pretty libertarian philosophy and they don't really have a history of being eager to cooperate with law enforcement.
Wobblie ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 22:56:00 on May 30, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Just because they want favorable privacy laws for themselves as a corporation doesn't mean that they give a shit when black folks are harassed by the police.
I'm not saying that they would be likely to do it, I'm saying that it wouldn't be something I'd consider them unlikely to do. The "never, ever" part makes implies that it would be some form of aversion rather than apathy.
And that case wasn't just about their own privacy. The FBI was demanding that Apple give them the ability to unlock any and every iOS device on the goddamn planet.
You need to download the Siri Shortcuts app and find / install this shortcut
penFTW ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 03:26:09 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Knowing and maximizing your rights is not dystopian. I mean fuck at least we have rights and these videos can clear you in the case of wrongful accusations. Now getting killed for nothing could certainly be considered dystopian, but not a bad thing to protect yourself legally speaking.
I have an android, but from the context of the screenshot, this is a "shortcut", which appears to be extra Siri commands that come with apps. Thus, some app adds this behavior, it's not stock.
DetN8 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:42:47 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
If you have an iphone and have the shortcuts app, you can download (or make) this shortcut. Then you can assign a voice command to the shortcut.
I see what you mean though. The way this is presented does not make it clear that this is not a built-in feature.
You dont need this of you just act loke a normal fucking person...
Dont scream "hands up dont shoot"
Dont pull put your phone real quick and scream "im recording this"
Dont keep asking "am i being detained"
Dont be a annoying fuck
Surprising fact incoming!
No you were not pulled over because you are (enter race here)
You got pulled over becuase you either were
Driving like a idiot
Somthing is wrong with your car ie headlight rear light gas can open etc and cops tryna help you out.
Also most phones are black :0 so when you grab your phone in a hurry then quickly point it at a officer yes you just raised your chances of getting shot or escalation the situation.
If your that scared of cops get a fucking dash cam and quit acting like idiots.
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floatingspacerocks ยท 2440 points ยท Posted at 19:29:48 on May 30, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Why does it turn down the brightness
Curae ยท 2678 points ยท Posted at 19:46:46 on May 30, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Just a guess, but a lit-up phone stands out more + it's easier to see what is happening on the screen. So the officer can see you're recording. If they do have malicious intent you don't want them to see it, it stands out less with a darker screen.
queer_bolshevik ยท 1572 points ยท Posted at 21:56:20 on May 30, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Kind of fucked up that you'd need to hide that from the cop. Kinda fucked up you have to record at all.
Curae ยท 1096 points ยท Posted at 22:12:20 on May 30, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
I luckily live in a country where recording isn't needed. Even when people get verbally abusive here the cops diffuse the situation verbally, I've never seen a cop pull a gun.
Meanwhile my uncle has had a gun against his head when he got pulled over in America... (Like, decades ago btw) What he did? Well, he was speeding and when the cop walked over he got out of his car. That's the normal thing to do where we are from. You get out of your car, exchange names, and you hand over your papers. I couldn't imagine living in a place where cops are people you should or could be afraid of...
Fredex8 ยท 290 points ยท Posted at 00:08:58 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
A friend had the same problem after getting pulled over, automatically getting out of the car and subsequently the police panicked and pulled a gun on him. Only reason they pulled him over was because he was in a flashy car that he had rented and they thought it must be stolen. He wasn't even speeding.
We got pulled over for turning on a red in a state where that apparently isn't allowed (we'd just come over from the neighbouring state where it was) and the police equally freaked out when the driver got out to talk to them. Hands on holsters but no guns pulled fortunately. Still they were unnecessarily aggressive and suspicious even when it was clear from our accents that we weren't Americans and just didn't know their laws. They somehow came to the conclusion that the driver must have been drinking and made someone else drive, then followed us down the road for a few miles.
I never fear the police here in the UK but in the US I would be afraid to ask for their help even in an emergency.
Amarae ยท 158 points ยท Posted at 05:26:12 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
We like to teach our Police force to shoot first and not ask questions if it can be avoided.
We don't teach them to hate poor people or minorities but it really helps on the application.
Cyclopentadien ยท 71 points ยท Posted at 11:12:26 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
It's called on-the-job training
JavierCulpeppa ยท 31 points ยท Posted at 16:05:17 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
As someone with police friends and family, comments like yours really piss me off initially. Then I realise that sadly many officers are like this, even if they're a minority of officers, especially in very urban areas.
Police really could use some federally enforced reform.
everythingisamovie ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 02:59:52 on July 9, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
I've got family in law enforcement too. They make up 0.00001% of law enforcement. I wish more people saw it that way.
lukeluck101 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 11:27:15 on August 7, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Policing in the US is just really inconsistent. Officers range from anywhere between polite local sheriff you'd invite into your house for coffee, to full on SS Stormtrooper mode, even within the same state
VladTheImpaler05 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 11:49:51 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
I'm poor and can offer no shiny... But take my internet arrow sir
nijio03 ยท 115 points ยท Posted at 03:08:53 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
I was chatting with one of my mates about 2 weeks ago when two policemen with rifles passed by. We smiled at each other and I continued what I was saying.
Not for a second I felt in danger. The guns didnโt scare me. Mainly because they were not wielded by trigger happy poorly educated racist psychopaths.
B-SideQueen ยท 25 points ยท Posted at 06:35:50 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Perfectly stated.
Garthak_92 ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 14:18:28 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Upvote for you. A lot of people here in the US like to make believe being super soldiers, especially those who obviously have no training. It really grinds my gears.
OverlordWaffles ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:59:23 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Where are you at where officers walk around with rifles, Galveston Island?
thehonorablechairman ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 04:51:50 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
In most of the Asian countries I've been to it isn't uncommon to see police with assault rifles around randomly. But like that person said, I'm not nearly as afraid when I see them as I am when I see a cop car in the US.
OverlordWaffles ยท -17 points ยท Posted at 04:52:40 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)*
Why are you so afraid when you see a cop in the US?
Edit: Jesus fuck people, do you guys hate questions or what?
VapidKarmaWhore ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 05:45:33 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
because they are trigger happy
Tar_alcaran ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 05:55:43 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Because they had all of 13 seconds of education, no support network and no consequences for anything they do.
OverlordWaffles ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:29:53 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
In my state, they are required to have a college degree to be POST certified, even if you come from another state with experience
throwaway28149 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 10:08:09 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
If you don't mind me asking, which state is that?
OverlordWaffles ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:30:23 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Minnesota.
I just looked it up and, I was a little off but, of the 3 ways you can become an officer, 2.5 require a degree and the other is reciprocity, which is outlined below:
Complete basic police training in another state or federal law enforcement, and work in a law enforcement capacity for three years following basic training and possess a post-secondary degree; or five years following basic training if the individual does not possess a post-secondary degree. Candidates for reciprocity must have been working in law enforcement within the past six years.
Qualify through military police service in the U.S. military
thehonorablechairman ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 06:17:51 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Too many negative encounters and the reality that any interaction with them could result in them indiscriminately fucking up your life.
Ternial ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 10:07:33 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
America is full of inbred, fat, uneducated losers, and some of those are unironically allowed to
run for presidentbecome a copSynergythepariah ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:12:38 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
That's presidential harassment.
You will now be conscripted to help hold the tarps covering things that'd bother Dear Leader during his visits.
OverlordWaffles ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:56:12 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Well that was mean and uncalled for.
Ternial ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:58:02 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, it's better to be not mean and drone people than call america fat and lazy right
Nameis-RobertPaulson ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:08:05 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Armed police officers (known as Authorised Firearms Officers and Specialist Firearms Officers) are often armed which H&K G36 or MP5's in the UK and can often be seen patrolling higher importance landmarks. E.g. Airports, Parliament, Main Train stations
lukeluck101 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:28:42 on August 7, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah I've seen cops with MP5s around Heathrow airport a few times. I know it's not a rifle though
nijio03 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 09:11:50 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Newcastle. They sometimes pass through the shopping centre there
Subplot-Thickens ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 12:51:25 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
You should be afraid, theyโll kill you and not think twice.
Philip__james ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 10:31:28 on June 1, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
I dont know what your thinking but I fear the police in the UK. Not for physical safety (unlike american cops) but my police force is the most corrupt in the country, I saw a mandem get arrested for littering, I aint seen him since
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:07:41 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
I've had situations where it was more helpful to call a known criminal (i used to be a tattoo artists i've had clients that i know have some past) than it would be to call a cop.
The situation in hand was that my cellphone was stolen, calling the cops would just come with unnecessary waiting time and a report that states that my cellphone was subtracted. Calling the guy he said he would look for it on sale, and found the a dealer who was selling my phone for almost nothing.
it's not a violent police situation (but i do have a few) but show how fucked things are if the police isn't more useful that a criminal
(edit) my mother later told me that buying my own stolen cell phone for a cheap buck (BRL 25,00) is illegal in my country and if I gone out and opened a report from the police I COULD GET ARRESTED.
the "crime" is overdue, it's been more than 5 years so I can be open about it
Fredex8 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:28:48 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
The police frequently aren't much help here in the UK but it at least seems less likely to end badly if you get them involved. More likely just nothing will happen.
A friend had his phone stolen but it was kind of his fault as he left it on the table in a bar by mistake when he got up to get another drink. They had tried to take his laptop too but it was secured to the table. Phoned the police but they said they couldn't do anything so he phoned his stolen phone a couple days later, pretended to be a delivery man or something and asked the guy to confirm his name and address. Then he phoned the police back and told them where his stolen phone was and they still didn't get involved.
In the end he drove to the address he had been given and explained the situation to the guy, he obviously wasn't the guy who had stolen it but had bought it off someone. He just told him simply that he could give him the phone back or he could call the phone company and get it blocked so it would be useless to him and then get the police involved. So he got his phone back by using the idea that the police gave a shit when in fact they didn't.
Meanwhile the guys who stole it and sold it get to and carry on stealing without repercussions. The bar had CCTV so combined with help from the guy who bought it they probably could have found who did it pretty easily but the police just don't have the time to bother, despite phone theft being a very common crime and carrying a 5 year sentence or something. It's no wonder it is so common when they don't investigate and criminals know they can likely get away with it.
MadKerbalScientist ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:39:53 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
That's the difference between Europe and the US. In Europe, police officers are respected. In the US cops are feared.
A while back there was a video from the Dutch police where a woman decided to push a police officer, and when he pushed her back the crowd went to demonize her, while in many videos from the US the crowd would jump on the officer screaming that he just commited assault etc.
PrimeLegionnaire ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:37:24 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
He's lucky he isn't dead.
You do not get out of the car. You wait for the police to approach and you make absolutely no sudden moves until they can be sure you aren't a threat.
This is pretty well known because there are people with guns in the US, and if your friend had really wanted to kill those police for stopping him the very first thing he would do is jump out of the car.
Fredex8 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:44:44 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah it's just common courtesy here to get out of the car to talk to police so it is sort of hard wired into us.
Not so sure about that actually. I've seen a lot of police bodycam footage where the driver seems to be acting totally normally and going along with the officer's requests but when they are distracted they suddenly pull a gun out from somewhere and shoot from inside the car.
PrimeLegionnaire ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:58:27 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Drastic armed people jump from cars a lot more than calm reasonable unarmed ones. The existence of cold killers is upsetting, but doesn't really have a good indicator like "pissed and caught" does.
brookseyw ยท -7 points ยท Posted at 05:03:43 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
But they should be the only ones with guns, right?
Iakeman ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 07:23:48 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
you sure you wanna take that route buddy? I know plenty of leftists and antifa members who love their guns, but I suspect you wouldnโt be so happy to hear that
brookseyw ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 08:09:31 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Thatโs where youโre wrong. Everyone should be equally armed. Some things (like liberty and freedom) transcend the bounds of political parties and affiliations.
But yes, antifa and the lefties are happy to surrender their right to self defense for the sake of โsecurityโ.
Iakeman ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 08:50:38 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
if you think that, you donโt know many lefties.
brookseyw ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 08:56:23 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Please explain to me who want to enforce a mandatory buy back and create a national registry?
Iโd love it you prove me otherwise.
Dakaitom ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 10:23:45 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Liberals aren't leftists because they support capitalism. A world that doesn't need guns is the ideal but until then: -
Iakeman ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 09:23:41 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
youโre thinking of liberals. antifa are not liberals.
7The7Cure7 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 05:41:10 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
You can clearly overcome police brutality arming citizens.
Sectus ยท -7 points ยท Posted at 06:46:58 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)*
The police in America have an extremely dangerous job. Everyone knows it's a major no-no to get out of your vehicle during a stop. Unfortunately, they can't be naive and assume the best out of everyone they meet, which often translates to the common person just assuming the police are bad.
They aren't. They just have a dangerous, anxiety-inducing, difficult job.
Edit: Your downvotes are meaningless unless accented with argumentative support. Downvoting something without explaining your reasoning is basically forfeiting the argument.
Iakeman ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 07:22:23 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
cop is not even on the top ten list of most dangerous jobs. more than that, the majority of police fatalities are car accidents. this line gets trotted out all the time and itโs complete bullshjt. if theyโre so fucking scared that they have to empty their weapons into unarmed people they should find another line of work.
Sectus ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 10:19:53 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)*
You'll have to forgive me for not sympathizing with your perspective but when you see for yourself what they have to deal with on a daily basis it changes how you see things.
There isn't anything that can be said here that is going to soften me to the hilarity of the anti-cop rhetoric this thread seems to possess.
When you've done the job yourself, we'll talk. Otherwise, move along bud.
devilterr2 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 07:24:52 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Brit here. Its clear that their job is a lot more dangerous in america, but surely that should mean the training is a lot more specialised. There is no excuse for pulling your gun out on someone exiting their car. All it takes is one nervous police officer to accidentally pull the trigger and bam civillian casualty.
I know its completely different in Britain but only certain trained police officers carry firearms. From what i understand they are similar to your SWAT. It just seems that better training could drastically help the public image of police and the police themselves. Psych evaluations, stress testing, and the main thing above all body cams on every uniformed officer. To many bad apples spoiling what I assume are a relatively okay bunch.
Sectus ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 10:30:43 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Training is a different matter all together. For the amount of shit they deal with on a regular basis I personally don't feel they receive enough training, but 12 weeks is the standard and for some reason always has been.
I do, however, refuse to bend on the ridiculous idea being presented by some people here that all cops are bad people and their behavior stems from abuse of power. Sorry to say it but if anyone has that perspective they've watched far too many cartoons. Yes those people exist, no they are not the majority.
As much as I'd like to try and reason with these people and explain why their perspective is incorrect, I have neither the time nor patience to set straight the views of people whose opinions ultimately won't impact US law enforcement a great deal. Needless to say, I have enough direct experience with law enforcement to be satisfied in my worldview.
Back on the point though, I appreciate you being more cordial than some others have in addressing my post. It's definitely refreshing on a site like reddit.
devilterr2 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:43:06 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
12 weeks is far to short realistically. That's 3 months of training, police have to understand the laws that they enforce which in itself is easily a year long course (not saying it should be, just that it could be). Than they would have to have proper firearms training in high stress enviroments since they literally take lives. Finally there should be some sort of psychology course so that they can communicate properly with civillians, and be able to read situations with criminals.
I 100% agree not all cops are bad, you are going to no matter what get dicks in positions of power where ever you go. My personal viewpoint (from what i have read online) is there seems to be some sort of "bluecode" where no matter what you protect your fellow officer. This in itself is honourable because I'm sure a lot of day to day shit they get flak for requires them to have each other backs, but because of this code it causes genuine POS to get away with quite literal murder. I imagine if good cops did rat out other bad cops the good cops would recieve alot of shit and their career and work life would be severly strained.
I always enjoy actual discussions on reddit and finding out other people's view points simply to gain an understanding of sides. Like i said im not american so i dont experience these issues first hand and my only source of information are news outlets which either embellish the story or are bias
bluejaymaday ยท 86 points ยท Posted at 02:23:20 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
One of my high school teachers told us a story on his experience as Canadian visiting the US decades ago. Him, his wife, and some friends were in a van traveling together. They were having trouble figuring out how to get to where they were going, everyone puzzling over the road map and were parked as they squabbled. My teacher looks across the street and sees a cop car and thinks โOh great, I can ask this police officer for directionsโ. He gets out and as heโs approaching the car the officer quickly steps out, points his gun at him, and shouts not to come any closer and orders to go back to the van, sending him scuttling back fast. This guy comes to the drivers side window and looks in at all the pale, terrified faces looking back at him and just says โI take it you folks arenโt from around here.โ Apparently heโs a State Trooper and he warns them never to approach a Trooperโs vehicle. Gives them directions and sends them off. That pretty well coloured how my teacher saw the US from then on, and thatโs the only time in his life heโs had a gun pointed at him.
goodolarchie ยท 59 points ยท Posted at 05:59:45 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
That goofy canuck, what part of Protect and Serve didn't he understand? Protect your own ass and serve up violence on a cold dish.
DejaVuBlue ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 09:35:04 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
protect capital
OverlordWaffles ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 04:07:32 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
What state was this in?
Granted, I've only approached officers in their vehicles about a handful of times or so, none have freaked out, let alone drew on me.
Once was even across the country in a state I was visiting.
bluejaymaday ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 05:51:10 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
I wouldnโt be able to even guess which state it was, this was a few years ago and you maniacs have 50 of those things, I canโt remember if he even said which. I donโt know if it was maybe the way that he approached the car, but I doubt it considering my teacher isnโt exactly intimidating and the guy said not to approach any State Trooper, he didnโt mention anything about how he did it wrong. It was shocking though not just because of the gun but also it never would have occurred to any of them to question asking a cop for help, thatโs what theyโre there for and no decent one would hesitate to help out unless they were busy.
abutthole ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 14:15:35 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, that you know about. Don't even get me started on the 84 secret states that only Americans know about.
Fatcatsinlittlecoats ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 08:06:51 on June 23, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Shhh!
Stevonnieandbonnie ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:07:46 on June 29, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Why are you snitching?
OverlordWaffles ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:52:49 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, that sounds so out of the ordinary to me
MrsFeatherbottomm ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:03:36 on June 5, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
That you know of. A night shift cop once told me that if someone comes over to their car, they pull out their gun and aim it low at the door where the person canโt see it, in case they are being โattackedโ
OverlordWaffles ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:08:34 on June 5, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
True, but I can't really blame them for that, especially how everyone seems to hate police officers now and are being murdered.
I unbutton my holster whenever i go somewhere i don't feel safe or it's dark. I imagine he felt the same working at night.
Disclaimer: I am not, nor ever been, a police officer. I just legally carry
ASPKYE ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:48:47 on June 15, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
I presume approaching a trooper stood in the street would also prompt the same reaction then? how would one actually engage peacefully with them? a 911 call? its difficult to get into the mindset of people who behave like this, people who society says we can trust and rely on. A uniform means nothing these days, which is why i treat anyone wearing one, just like the rest of the population, unless of course they have a gun pointing a me, which is more often than not the only reason why things like this seem to get normalised in the world we live in.
PrimeLegionnaire ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:41:48 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
In other countries they don't have the issue of someone randomly approaching a cop having firearms.
Not that you could get rid of firearms in the US.
The other side to this is the death of Beat Cops in the US.
We used to have cops assigned to specific neighborhoods where they would "walk the beat" and really get to know the community.
That way they know the difference between Frank drinking a little too much and bothering his neighbors, and some random druggie from out of town casing houses.
When they cease to be able to tell the difference everyone looks like the random druggie.
Canadian_Infidel ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 00:59:19 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
They are more of an occupying force than a police force now in a lot of places.
JollyGee333 ยท 358 points ยท Posted at 22:18:23 on May 30, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
The US kinda seem like a big urban warfare when you're looking at videos of people being pulled over/arrested... The cops are on edge all the time and it seems like 1 person out of 2 they interact with just wants to fuck with them. The other would be the one who pulls a gun on them...
Again, that's what it looks like from my external point of view, I know it's exaggerated by the nature of these videos and that's not how it really is. I just mean to say we see there might be something very wrong with how so many people behave over there...
taoistchainsaw ยท 252 points ยท Posted at 22:37:48 on May 30, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Check out the podcast Running from cops if you want to see how the police actively enlist โreality tvโ as state propaganda.
Electric_Ilya ยท 34 points ยท Posted at 01:54:31 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
I've been listening pretty interesting podcast
ThereInTheTrees ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 04:36:43 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
oh cool, I'ma have to check this out.
Cory2020 ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 04:50:15 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Can I interest you in a blueline American flag? Cops here are mucho victimizado (victimized a lot ..by MSM and BLM and Rachel maddow). They only want whatโs best for honest citizens and not anything more. But socialists have hijacked our western democracy that Athens gifted Godโs chosen people . 80% of us might be living check to check, but we still have jobs as opposed to Venezuelans. We donโt want to eat our dogs weโd rather walk them! Also, 40% of us canโt afford a $400 emergency and more than half of us arenโt vaccinated! But... we have law and order . Which..hic..is a real shame nobody.. hic..supports them
parwa ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 05:13:55 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
this is really all over the place
Cory2020 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 05:19:07 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Try to hold it steady. No slobbering!
tabytha ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:45:44 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
(it's a parody)
parwa ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 05:58:42 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
I was hoping so but it was incomprehensible enough to make me worry otherwise
tabytha ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:12:29 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Lol, sadly true.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:44:58 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
This was hilarious
ThereInTheTrees ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:05:00 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
what is this rambling bullshit?
Cory2020 ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 05:09:09 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Our comrades have been struck, flayed, and hang upside down :(
IosefkatheClinician ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 05:17:19 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
What?
Omnomcologyst ยท 205 points ยท Posted at 23:40:18 on May 30, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
It is the way it looks. I'm a middle-class white man living in the U.S., so I am statistically the safest from the cops, and they still scare the fuck out of me. I never feel safe around them. They're not all bad, but enough are that I don't feel safe when they're around.
Policing in the U.S. is fucking terrifying.
VacantThoughts ยท 116 points ยท Posted at 01:29:22 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
They literally wield the power to ruin your life, I find them terrifying as well and anyone that wants to be one has to be on a power trip.
Haltus_Kain ยท 125 points ยท Posted at 03:22:46 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)*
Jonbrisby ยท 83 points ยท Posted at 03:40:04 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
And this is by design.
What does THAT tell you about authority ?
SergenteA ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 07:04:20 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
It tells me that the test cops have to take should favour leftist views. Here where I live cops have started to get scary since when the right started infiltrating them, moving them from their traditional leftist stance of "protect the people" to a right wing stance of "maintain order", which includes lots of censorship.
Haltus_Kain ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:34:11 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)*
Haltus_Kain ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:06:21 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)*
ILoveMeSomePickles ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 13:12:53 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
ยกContra Toda Autoridad Excepto Mi Mama!
Haltus_Kain ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:20:38 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)*
Jonbrisby ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 04:17:18 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Who watches the watchers?
Absolute power corrupts absolutely.
This is why I urge people to have hidden cameras in their vehicles and on their person. In your HOME. You need to record and fucking live stream every aspect of your life (unfortunately) because ANY MOMENT a false charge could be leveled against you. Fuckers can break your door down, insert a USB device into your computer and CLAIM that you have hundreds of child porn images on your computer. They can plant ANYTHING and say ANYTHING and THEY will be believed. They SAY you are innocent until proven guilty, but if that were TRUE people would not be arrested and placed into jails BEFORE they are even convicted of a crime.
And in most cases, it comes down to whether or not you can AFFORD financially, to hire a good enough attorney to PROVE your innocence.
Cops should not have authority. They often turn off their body cams or block the camera, put tape over their badge numbers, shine flashlights into your camera so it obscures their actions. Most of them dont even have a degree in ANYTHING.
It is up to you, as a citizen, to prove you are innocent- which is FUCKED UP. And the only way you can do that is to record or live stream your activities, keep receipts for everything so you can prove you own something or prove that you were at a place at a certain time.
Some comedian made a joke once, but it was bitter true- he said he wont even throw a soda can away because of fear of it landing on some dead white woman with his prints on the can.
People tend to think they can trust authority until the day that authority betrays them personally. It is EASY to believe the propaganda that cops are your protectors. But reality is a harsh teacher and for those of us who know, cops are no different than hard core criminals- they just have not been caught yet. And worse, because they belong to the nations largest gang (police force) their fellow gang members protect them, hide or destroy, lose evidence, plant evidence etc.
Haltus_Kain ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 04:37:30 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)*
StarryNotions ยท 41 points ยท Posted at 04:18:49 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
There was a thing a few years ago where they excluded potential candidates who were too intelligent or too ethical. Thereโs a certain amount of not questioning the system and being invested in In Groups required.
Haltus_Kain ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:08:02 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)*
Archer007 ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 04:18:32 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Out of interest, what MB type were you and what others do you think they filtered for?
Haltus_Kain ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 05:04:48 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)*
-aiyah- ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 06:03:51 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Psych student here: it isn't. Or at least I was taught that it isn't.
I was taught that the descriptions of MBTI personality types are very general, despite seeming very specific. Often, like you said about yourself, people will get different results based on their mood on a particular day, particularly if you're not on the extreme ends of a particular trait.
WikiTextBot ยท 23 points ยท Posted at 03:22:55 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Frank Serpico
Francesco Vincent Serpico (born April 14, 1936) is a former New York City Police Department (NYPD) officer who holds both American and Italian citizenship. He is known for whistleblowing on police corruption in the late 1960s and early 1970s, an act that prompted Mayor John V. Lindsay to appoint the landmark Knapp Commission to investigate the NYPD. Much of Serpico's fame came after the release of the 1973 film Serpico, which was based on the book by Peter Maas and which starred Al Pacino in the title role, for which Pacino received an Oscar nomination.
MyersโBriggs Type Indicator
The MyersโBriggs Type Indicator (MBTI) is an introspective self-report questionnaire with the purpose of indicating differing psychological preferences in how people perceive the world around them and make decisions. . Though the test superficially resembles some psychological theories it is commonly classified as pseudoscience, especially as pertains to its supposed predictive abilities.
The MBTI was constructed by Katharine Cook Briggs and her daughter Isabel Briggs Myers. It is based on the conceptual theory proposed by Carl Jung, who had speculated that humans experience the world using four principal psychological functions โ sensation, intuition, feeling, and thinking โ and that one of these four functions is dominant for a person most of the time.The MBTI was constructed for normal populations and emphasizes the value of naturally occurring differences.
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Mmswhook ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 06:30:45 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Good bot
HenkPoley ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:19:06 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Reminds me of the psychology test of the Dutch military that my grandpa used to talk about. Supposedly there was a result that meant, that either you are crazy, or you will become a General.
Haltus_Kain ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 05:21:27 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)*
ScruffyTJanitor ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:44:08 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Which MBTI personality types do the departments accept/reject?
Haltus_Kain ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:14:22 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)*
LastStar007 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:45:13 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Don't forget that Frank Serpico got shot in the fucking head for it.
Haltus_Kain ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 05:09:40 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)*
LastStar007 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:15:46 on June 1, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Just brought it up because you might not have been so lucky.
Haltus_Kain ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:35:03 on June 1, 2019 ยท (Permalink)*
JoshMan97 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:44:38 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
A huge thing that of the results of that test that most don't know is that you can be too perfect. If you put on your holy cross and become the knight of justice to answer the test you fail. You have to not think at all, and answer the first thing that pops into your head.
My uncle administers these tests and I had to take one aswell for my Act 235 and they want you to have flaws. They want you to to have an experienced life that can show them that yes, if there is a person shooting in their apartment that you WILL run In there to neutralize the threat, and save the victims.
Lots of people spend their whole lives, highschool, and college for crim justice to try and get to be an LEO and they fail because they don't hit the sweet middle spot. Too low, you fail, too high, you fail.
Hambone721 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:56:18 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Make sure you don't call them when you need help then. I'm sure they would just kill you.
VacantThoughts ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 04:58:41 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Not a reason on the planet I would call the police unless it's to report something that has already happened for liability reasons. If you need the police for physical help by the time they show up you will already be fucked.
Hambone721 ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 05:03:53 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
So shameful. This kind of mindset only drives the divide deeper between police and communities. It's also not even remotely true, but you already know that.
Vhyx ยท 31 points ยท Posted at 03:33:46 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
I have up to two cops who live in or near my apartment building, at least based on the trooper cars parked outside. While the cars being there is hopefully a really good theft deterrent (not I've ever even felt unsafe in our area), it actually makes me more uncomfortable at times.
Really isn't helped that I'm pretty sure one of them lives in the unit with a "this house is protected by God and a gun" kinda sign on the patio. Plus we have multiple resident cars with either blue line or NRA decals.
We're a pair of white millennials living in northern Virginia. And I still get concerned by cops.
greymalken ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 13:20:16 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
You know, that's another thing that grinds my gears. Why the fuck are we paying for cops to drive their work cars home and run errands in em and shit? That's added gas and maintenance to the cars that comes out of our taxes...
sulzer150 ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 05:59:09 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
I get why you wouldn't want to interact and be buddy buddy with your neighbors if they are pretty obviously on the opposite of your political spectrum, but why exactly would you feel unsafe around them?
Iakeman ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 07:10:47 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
you donโt feel unsafe around people who have unilateral authority to end your life and get away with it?
sulzer150 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:24:59 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
I'm talking about their comment on their neighbors bumper stickers...
JoshMan97 ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 08:49:03 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
You miss the point where you have to do something inexplicably wrong or illegal before they can start that process
Iakeman ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 09:24:45 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
lol how naive
JoshMan97 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:26:34 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
That's not naivety, that's how the system works.
Iakeman ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 09:36:03 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
with what accountability?
JoshMan97 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:40:28 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
That people like yourself that hate the cops get fucking rich in court if there's a false arrest, a cop is fired, and has to work at a gas station for the rest of their life
Iakeman ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 11:08:45 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
cops donโt get fired even when they straight up murder people, and if they do, they get hired in the next town over.
Vhyx ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:17:06 on June 1, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
People with excessive power and a love of firearms seem like a reasonable thing to be made uneasy by.
nemoskull ยท 56 points ยท Posted at 00:27:29 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Some how i feel less safe getting pulled over than i do passing through MCAS check point with marines carrying m16s.
militantxenophile ยท 68 points ยท Posted at 00:45:25 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Only one of these groups sees you as prey.
The marines only see you as expendable.
probablyhrenrai ยท 22 points ยท Posted at 03:19:42 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Some cops have an attitude, some cops take things personally, and cop-delivered enforcement/punishment is very subjective; if you act the "right" way, you'll get off with a warning or a reduced ticket, but if you act the wrong way, the cop'll saddle you with as many tickets as he can think of.
The_Tarrasque ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 04:11:13 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
I felt safer around the fucking Cuban police than I do around ours.
JollyGee333 ยท 36 points ยท Posted at 23:46:44 on May 30, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
I'm sorry you feel that way, I've felt uneasy before Police forces in France when the bombings in Paris were still fresh (emergency militarized police forces are deployed everywhere in these periods), and it was oppressive as all hell.
The scary part in how the US has been shown to me was how both the police and the people in front of them seem to be immediately on edge, before anything even happens. I'm so used to cops acting just like normal people when there are any, the contrast is harsh.
I was also very surprised when I learned schools had cops walking around over there. That was quite unsettling to me. Guess I thought I lived in a wonderland
Rengiil ยท 29 points ยท Posted at 00:27:50 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
We had cops in our elementary schools.
S_Z ยท 25 points ยท Posted at 01:33:41 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
We have an on-duty cop at every church service.
JollyGee333 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 06:21:48 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Okay, that I didn't know. Must be unnerving
screech_owl_kachina ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:14:36 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Armed security is the norm at synagogues in the US, regardless of location.
gslavik ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 03:35:48 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Some NYC High Schools have metal detectors and XRay machines. Unfortunately, that information is not public, but I definitely know that my former HS and Bernie Sander's HS had them at least about 10 years ago.
Have fun reading this: https://patch.com/new-york/brooklyn/these-are-20-most-crime-ridden-brooklyn-schools-police-data-shows
Marta_McLanta ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 04:59:32 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
A lot of schools in the us have metal detectors
ILoveMeSomePickles ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 13:16:13 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Don't forget about how the pigs murdered that unarmed eighty year old woman in her home in Marseille.
JollyGee333 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:18:11 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
I haven't even heard of this, do you have context? That sounds horrible
ILoveMeSomePickles ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:19:11 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
They fired a tear gas canister into her kitchen and it struck and killed her. I'd link to the story if I weren't on my phone, but the BBC covered it, so you can just use Google to find the story.
DMCA_OVERLOAD ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:15:52 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Where I'm from we were glad to have a police officer and 2 private security permanently stationed on our campus. It wasn't because we liked having them around. They were complete jackasses who mostly had nothing better to do with their time than harass students for eating lunch in BS off-limits areas and frisk anyone they thought looked like they might have weed or a lighter or something in their bags. But, at least we had a decent line of defense against a school shooter, which is more than the other schools in adjacent districts could say. They also kept most of the gang fights off-campus.
Iakeman ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 07:09:31 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
almost every school thatโs been shot up since columbine has had a cop on campus. they donโt do fucking anything except harass students. at parkland the cop literally hid outside by his car
Dr_Insomnia ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:06:17 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
When you have to make small talk with a cop and they ask if you know anyone who sells drugs casually
gslavik ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 03:29:36 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Statistically, women are safest.
nikdahl ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 04:35:20 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Women is the safest from violence in general too.
DosGardinias ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 02:37:38 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
White men are the demographic second most likely to be killed by police in america mate. Only black men are above you.
BakerIsntACommunist ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:47:33 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Is that based on the % of the population as well because Iโd assume white people are the largest group. Iโm surprised more racial groups arenโt higher than white guys.
DosGardinias ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:23:26 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Of course, per capita is really the only way to view these stats. Black men, white men, then black women and white women. I believe asians of both genders are below white women.
greymalken ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:17:15 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
No. They're all bad. If they aren't actively breaking laws they're covering up for the ones that are.
its0nLikeDonkeyKong ยท -17 points ยท Posted at 01:47:20 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)*
Don't drink the propoganda
You literally say your rational brain knows they're not all bad... But "enough" are?
There's thousands of cops in your area alone. How many are bad? 12 maybe? 6 really evil dudes & maybe a dozen genuine bullies? Or it more? Less? How many? How do you know?
"Enough" to form an opinion on "policing in the US" & deem it "terrifying" apparently... But you don't really know anything besides what you've seen on the screens you favor
Yes cops are human & there have been foul ones but I think it makes things worse if my world view changes my interactions with all of them bc of a few of them. They're not saints either so recording is good accountability. A modern pro of technology. Not terrifying. Terrifying would be if only they had the cameras
DarkSoulsMatter ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 01:57:26 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
ACAB
[deleted] ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 02:14:22 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Ok but speak for yourself dude. My opinions are based on my experience, not the media. I think a lot of it depends on where you live and other factors
Pilose ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 01:54:43 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
If there was no grounds for it, it wouldn't be such a pervasive sentiment.
Jhuxx54 ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 03:31:41 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, media has nothing to do with it. I was speaking with my attorney and as he mentioned to me โcops are not your friend, they are not there to help you. If you have to interact with the police do not talk without a lawyer, even if you are totally innocent and are being questioned about something you donโt even have an idea about, donโt talkโ.
Iโve had many interactions with police, few good ones in the bunch, but most of them Iโve met have earned their reputation thAt you claim the โmediaโ is responsible for. Corrupt and criminal , those who donโt take part turn a blind eye.
The fact that in America, the wise and recommended course of action by any lawyer worth a penny is to โnot speak to the police in any situation without a lawyer presentโ.
I had police literally bust open my car doors and break my glove box because I refused to allow them to search my car, as is my right. They were so angry they arrested me and tried to charge me with something that wasnโt in the car (after breaking shit), It was a power trip because I exercised my rights and guess what? I lawyered up, and the prosecutor didnโt even attempt to bring charges forward, just dropped the whole thing. I didnโt even think about suing, but honestly even thinking about it now, It would of probably caused me more problems. Not to mention two years later the sheriff was indicted for a while host of crimes and corruption.
nikdahl ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 04:38:12 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
All of them. Policing in America is systemically broken, and all cops participating in the current form are bad. ACAB
mrducci ยท -19 points ยท Posted at 02:56:22 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
This is bad math. If you take the number of gun carrying law enforcement officers (police, sheriff, fbi, dea, etc..) and measure that against the number of civil rights violations and other violations (abuse of power, bad faith, staging a crime scene) the percentage is miniscule. Saying that not "all police are bad" indicates that the numbers are reversed. And they're not. I think Kyle Kinnane said it best, that police are in the customer service industry, and most of their customers are shit heads. If you don't feel safe around police, as a middle class white man, then you are likely shady as fuck.
[deleted] ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 03:06:41 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)*
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mrducci ยท -9 points ยท Posted at 03:12:52 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
This is poor form. I'm not an apologist for law enforcement. I believe that when a sworn officer violates the law they should be punished beyond what a civilian would be, because they violated their oath of office. But those "bad cops" that you think are crawling all over the place want you to believe that, so that the others will radicalize.
But all of that violates the whole "enemy of the people" thing that you got going.
[deleted] ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 03:15:15 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)*
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mrducci ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 03:23:00 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, I'm not even remotely a blue lives matter guy. Not even close. I'm certainly not trying to put a cape on them. But when I need to call them, they respond. By not calling them "pigs" and throwing blanket accusations at them, and, you know, treating them like humans when meeting them, we can have conversations and interactions that are not hostile.
Again, a cop shooting an unarmed civilian should be doing life in prison. A cop that plants evidence, lies under oath, or violates their oath of office should not get administrative leave, but should instead be in prison. That is dereliction of duty, and should be equivalent to treason. But to insinuate that a good cop is the exception is dishonest, at best.
[deleted] ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 03:34:19 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)*
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mrducci ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 03:41:27 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
All cops? Every one of them? I wonder how true that is? I know that where I live, the union is optional. The employee can opt out of the union if they wish. But I wonder if a right to work state like Wisconsin, or states in the south require the employee to opt in, rather than out.
I'm not sure. But what I do know is that anytime someone say "all", "every", or any absolute statement, I immediately am sceptical of everything they say, because that person is interested in sensationalism rather than facts.
I'm good though. You're not going to change my mind, and I'm not going to change yours. We can. Just be done.
braincube ยท 48 points ยท Posted at 23:14:16 on May 30, 2019 ยท (Permalink)*
"Urban" has little to do with it. Some of my worst experiences with cops here in the US were way out in the boondocks.
JollyGee333 ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 23:15:54 on May 30, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Again, I'm talking about what we outsiders see :)
What's a boondock by the way? Sorry, not a native speaker haha
What happens there?
Casmoose ยท 39 points ยท Posted at 23:27:28 on May 30, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
The boondocks are basically just really small rural towns and communities. They generally have small police forces ranging from 1-4 officers which have to raise most of their own funding through fines and speeding tickets. They also have a reputation for taking advantage of people not from the area and since there is little to no accountability due to the small police department they can get away with a lot more.
JollyGee333 ยท 27 points ยท Posted at 23:40:49 on May 30, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Awesome, unchecked Police forces with incentive to fine unfairly. That can't turn out badly, for sure.
I had never heard of that either. At least it is not "violent" in it's common meaning, but still harmful and annoying. I feel like I keep thanking everyone here for educating me, but I mean it. That's the only way I can see things objectively, considering what we're usually shown.
So yeah, thank you for making me a more understanding person haha ;)
1371113 ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 02:46:08 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Can also be called the "boonies" as a contraction. In other countries you may hear "out in the wops" or "wop-wops".
gslavik ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:37:41 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Also "out in the sticks"
sculltt ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:57:44 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
You ever seen the movie "Rambo"?
JollyGee333 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:23:17 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, only the first one. Great movie
sculltt ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:50:02 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Kind of an exaggeration of the way some of these small-town police departments can work.
braincube ยท 38 points ยท Posted at 23:57:31 on May 30, 2019 ยท (Permalink)*
"Urban" means city but a lot of time is a way to say "black people" in racist politics. Boondocks means far from the city. Here in the southern US Police culture often reflects values that were in place since the time the dominant economy was based on slavery :( Even as a long-haired "hippie" they have threatened me with violence and even rape by their colleagues. All while sounding "quaint" and traditionally endearing. Where are you from? And do you have to fear the police?
JollyGee333 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 06:20:01 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Oh, I did not mean to be offensive, urban just means it's in a city to me...
Is all that related to some form of corruption, though? It can't be just rude people becoming cops and abusing their power, can it?
Also I'm from Switzerland, the police is very professional here, that's why I'm asking all these questions... Because I've never experienced gearing the police the way some of you have and I'm trying to understand how things are. I've only felt uneasy with the police when I was in France and the anti-terrorist forces were deployed everywhere with assault rifles.
braincube ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:21:01 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
I did not get the impression you were using urban in such a way. That usage is mostly something to look out for in official speech in politics and media. News and politicians will also use "Atlanta" and "Chicago" in this way.
The police here have traditionally been a tool to help the privileged at the expense of immigrants, poor workers, and especially black people. President Nixon started the drug war as a way to oppress those groups as well as the hippie movement using the justice system. Many prisons were built all across the country.
This is a culture of police. It is not individual rude people. It is a broad culture of departments and leaders who understand it as their job to fight crime as a cultural or racial threat. Even the best people wanting to become police will find themselves filling the role of what you might call a corrupted civil servant. Although quite often the person who aspires to be a police officer was the same petty and insecure person you knew from school who wanted nothing more than to bully people with the position of authority.
If you are white, well off, and appear and speak a certain way you may never notice these things. The police are there to help you.
LastStar007 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:47:50 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
"Out in the boondocks" means remote, in the middle of nowhere, far away from people.
positivepeoplehater ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:32:14 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
It just means anyplace thereโs more nature and fewer people. I say I live in the boondocks because thereโs tons of nature and I donโt have good cell service, but 8 minutes away is a busy town bordered by other busy towns.
Iakeman ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:13:02 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
every cop in bumfuck nebraska thinks heโs patrolling fucking fallujah
abutthole ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:17:43 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
I live in New York and the NYPD is way more professional than the pigs out in the suburbs who just want whatever action they can find.
braincube ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:26:43 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Always figured NYPD cops know where to find their action. Country cops are bored, bored, bored.
Curae ยท 67 points ยท Posted at 22:25:01 on May 30, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
It's definitely how it looks to me as well, but I too have an external view and just stories from my uncle and one of a friend's dad who wanted to get out of his car and was stopped by a gun being pulled at him before he even opened his door.
I'm Dutch and I've seen a fair amount of posts of Dutch cops helping kids fix their bikes, and people make it out to be that Dutch cops are super helpful and kind. I mean, they're not tyrants, and they do lend a helping hand sometimes. But cops helping out kids with their bikes and such aren't things you see all the time. Just an example of a skewed view people could also get due to media I suppose, just a positive one.
brokendefeated ยท 66 points ยท Posted at 22:42:30 on May 30, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
I'm from Serbia and I get paranoid when I see that cops are around. They usually only harass normal people while criminals are above the law.
JollyGee333 ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 22:58:52 on May 30, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Damn. Crazy to think this kind of things can still exist when I have never experienced it
brokendefeated ยท 36 points ยท Posted at 23:01:22 on May 30, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Organized crime and police are very well connected here, same goes for every country that struggles with huge corruption.
JollyGee333 ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 23:09:39 on May 30, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, but hearing about it in series and stuff is different than someone opening up about their own experience. Your comment kinda made it real in my head... Have you had any problems with that yourself?
brokendefeated ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 23:14:01 on May 30, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Reported a restaurant which was built right next to my building for loud music after midnight, cops came and told the owner who reported him and returned to the station. Apparently they knew the guy. Music didn't stop.
JollyGee333 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:20:42 on May 30, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Lovely. I can't stand a single noise or light at night, anything wakes me up instantly and I can't fall asleep easily... I chose my current flat specifically because one of the rooms has a closed balcony, meaning two layers of windows between me and the outside
Just to tell you how much I feel your pain
Corruption is something I never quite understood fully. How does it start, how does it grow, how does it stand... It's all so damn mysterious to me. I really dislike not understanding these things that make other people's lives harder, it makes me feel disconnected and like I keep looking through rose-tinted glasses
brokendefeated ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 23:28:31 on May 30, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
In Serbia it started in 1991 after fall of socialism and breakup of Yugoslavia. UN sanctions were imposed and at that point crime was almost legalized. Everyone started hustling in order to survive, there were no jobs and national currency was worthless due to hyperinflation. A lot bad stuff didn't disappear until this date, though it's definitely better (no wars or UN sanctions). Back in socialist Yugoslavia all of that was unimaginable. State was strong, people had jobs and were happy.
This isn't something unique, other former socialist countries went though the same thing. Some improved significantly (Poland), others not so much (Ukraine, Moldova, Russia).
JollyGee333 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 23:36:53 on May 30, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
I think I need to learn more about all that. I just realized I know next to nothing about Serbia. You said things hadn't improved that much since then and still I hadn't ever heard of it. That's frustrating.
Thanks for bringing it up, by the way, it can't be easy to open up about some of these things
It's true that the situation of the east of Europe 8s a bit mysterious to us, our media don't talk about much from there except Putin and whatever he does.
I'll do my homework tomorrow, gotta catch some sleep now if I can :)
Wish you a good life and quiet nights!
aprofondir ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:02:13 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
I mean, it's a lot better than the 90s now. It's a functioning state, not everything is smuggled, you can go to a store and buy whatever you want, and you can generally go out expecting not to get bombed.
The only bad remains of that time are the current President who was Miloลกeviฤ's little fuckboi and the deep level organized crime
JollyGee333 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:22:45 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
It's nice to know things are improving at least. Here's to hoping it'll all get sorted out soon.
Foxymemes ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:24:30 on May 30, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
You could better understand corruption if you gave yourself a crash course in civics and government. I understand if you donโt know about that stuff since Americaโs civics education is either terrible or nonexistent. The only reason I know a few snippets is that I educated myself on it.
JollyGee333 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:31:27 on May 30, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Not from the US, I live in Europe
My education was totally adequate, I've read about it, seen documentaries and stuff, but the human side of things just doesn't compute I guess
I don't fully understand the mindset of everyone involved, the whole concept seems alien to me...
I do count myself lucky not to have experienced it first-hand for sure though. It's just frustrating not to know what signs I could look out for to recognize this stuff myself if it happened to me, what I could do to avoid or stop it, all that stuff.
Foxymemes ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 00:02:54 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Iโve read things, seen documentaries as well and done my own research. The thing is that my social studies education focused on American history instead of practical things like filing taxes, voting and an in depth look of how our government works. I would of loved to learn about these things in primary school instead of here and now in college. As for the mindset of everyone involved, there is no particular mindset due to the fact that everyone involved has their own selfish reasons for doing so. As for corruption in the US, Iโm seeing it starting to happen here more often. This is likely happening here due to the fact that bribery is essentially legal here, itโs just called lobbying instead.
gslavik ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:38:56 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Like most of former USSR.
aprofondir ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:59:08 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Serbia wasn't part of the USSR. In fact the dickish police attitudes only started after the breakup of Yugoslavia, when a mafia took advantage of the power vacuum.
JollyGee333 ยท 47 points ยท Posted at 22:58:02 on May 30, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Where I'm from, Switzerland, cops are just... formal. They need to talk to you, they come up and do just that. You did something that might be wrong but they're not sure, they ask you to explain yourself. Also, when they pull you over it's not really stressful, they usually just ask a few questions and are off quickly if you're in the clear.
I'm not saying they're friendly or let you do anything, they are just rational about things, in my experience. I've seen them chasing speeding cars, I've been asked questions when they were looking for someone who they thought might be me once too, but it was always "just formal"
Then again I have the luck to live in a very quiet country compared to others. I have the people here to thank for that, and the fact that we are objectively privileged in some social and economic ways. People are just more relaxed in general
TheGuyAboveMeSucks ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 01:20:46 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Thatโs great, Iโd love to have that kinda peace.
Cgn38 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 05:24:39 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
When you look at where they got the money to buy it and how it is less desirable.
JollyGee333 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:32:07 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Yep, nobody's history is clean, not even Switzerland's. Still, please be careful when using "they" I'm these contexts, it can be quite offensive to some people...
Like, to go with the extreme example, talking to a German person about how "they" killed Jews might not fly too well ;)
Just talking about semantics here, I don't mind, myself, but it's a very easy trap to step into
aprofondir ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 07:03:36 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Collective guilt is justified for everyone but Americans! But also Americans get to have collective pride for cherrypicked actions of others! /s
PressureCereal ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:24:37 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)*
The way I view it is, not everyone killed Jews, but everyone has a share - small or little - of the responsibility for letting it happen in their name. To use your example, Germany, not Hitler, went to war and German soldiers fought, German soldiers guarded Auschwitz, German soldiers exterminated entire villages of women and children in Europe as reprisals for partisan actions. Not every German did those, but they bear some moral responsibility for it happening in their country's name. In fact, I used to not feel very strongly about this, but then I met some German people and had the chance to talk about this. Every one of them readily acknowledged what I wrote as fact, which is why I feel the way I do about it now.
That is a good thing. Acknowledging your country's past misdeed is liberating, in a way. Just because you were born German, or American, or Turkish, doesn't mean you should try to pretend your accidental country of origin is free of historical crimes as if that makes you a better person.
It's the same with Switzerland - if a society you live in, and benefit from, has been built on a history that isn't quite so clean, you owe it to yourself and everyone else to acknowledge that and work to change it so that it doesn't happen in the future, and make reparations to set things right. Especially when that society is as rich as Switzerland's.
Otherwise, it's just a form of whitewashing of past crimes.
Pm_me_any_dragon ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 08:43:36 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Here in austria, police once pulled me over because I was driving like a drunk person. In reality my front window fogged up and I was looking for a place where I could make a quick stop to make it clear out.
It lasted about a minute and they were back on their way.
JollyGee333 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 09:04:29 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
In Switzerland you would have gotten fined for having your widshield obscured in any way. Road police is quite severe here in general, which is a pretty good thing if you ask me. I feel much safer on the road here than I do when I travel back to France or to Germany.
We actually have laws that say that we must remove all of the snow on the roof and hood before driving off, and for having had snow fall onto my windshield from the front driver on the highway myself, I can say these things are important!
I'm happy to know you got off without a hitch since you were looking for a spot to stop and take care of your issue :)
Pm_me_any_dragon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:19:28 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
The windshield started fogging up after having started driving.
JollyGee333 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:34:36 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Yup, as I said, I get it and I'm glad you didn't have problems for it :)
WilyBanana ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 01:47:15 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)*
I'm in the US and that's also been my experience with police every time I've interacted with them. I do think there are problems with our police force, but they're massively overblown by the media. That could be said of many problems in America, the media makes money off fear-mongering and in a large country like the US there's a lot of fuel for that, even if it isn't as statistically significant as it's presented.
Edit: To clarify, I absolutely don't believe our police force is perfect. Just that the majority of cops are not scumbags. Yes, there are a lot of scumbag cops. Yes the justice system in America is fucked up. But 9 times out of 10 when viewing the country as a whole, interactions with police are non-violent.
AerThreepwood ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 02:17:45 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
So, I'm not a good person, by any stretch of the imagination. I've spent several years incarcerated and have plenty of friends that have as well. Even before I started getting locked up, interactions with cops in my neighborhood were never cordial. Hell, I used to have to be the one to talk to the cops because I had what my boys referred to as "cop camouflage", since I'm white. And I have plenty of friends that have never even jaywalked get guns drawn on them, cuffs on too tight, get fucked up over "contempt of cop".
And it gets much, much worse once you get into court and detention/corrections. At that point, they don't give a fuck what you've done, they just want to churn you through. I've had POs lie to my face, cops lie in court, ADAs leverage me into taking plea bargains admitting to shit that I didn't do because they promised to fuck me if I didn't. In prison, I've met people that I've legitimately believed were railroaded and innocent.
So, just because you haven't seen it, doesn't mean it isn't there.
TimeLordsFury ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 01:59:23 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Have you considered that your experience might not be the same as others? The disparity in treatment for different racial groups by the police is pretty well documented...as just one example.
xSiNNx ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 02:02:59 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
As another American I just want to say that your world and the world of someone next to you may be completely different.
Iโve seen some horrible corruption from law enforcement over the years. Lying to grand juries, threatening kidnapping and violence, stalking, statutory rape, etc. and thatโs all just what Iโve seen personally.
We can both be from this country but experience it in absolutely different ways.
The way you look might be different, or your gender, your location, your vehicle, etc.
Go grab a shitty car, dress and style yourself in a way that makes you stand out and look dangerous in some way, and spend a lot more time than an average person driving around and hanging out in public places and I promise you will see a different side of people.
Iโve had guns pulled on me 4 times by cops. Never because I had committed a crime or was armed in any way, nor had I been violent or even yelling. Every single time was an out of the blue thing for me. And Iโm not perfect, Iโve done some things over the years that did warrant the attention of the police, but funny enough thatโs never when theyโve treated me like shit.
Itโs like being a kid and getting in trouble for something your siblings did, or a neighborhood kid. Except over and over.
Just try to keep an open mind. From where you sit Iโm sure it looks like the media just blows shit out of proportion but I swear to you, it truly is that bad for some of us, and sadly even worse for others.
Your reality isnโt always everyone elseโs. Never forget that, please.
Pie_theGamer ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 02:22:03 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
You talk about looking a certain way to get attention. That's true.
My boss used to get into a lot of trouble and had the long biker hairstyle to match. Eventually he cut all that out including the hair and went from getting pulled over pretty much weekly with the police looking for something to pin on him to having not been pulled over in years.
Another time, the wife (who's Black) ran into an officer she knew, called her by name and still wanted her I.D. and put her through the whole rigamarole.
What was she doing? A nosey neighbor called when she, a seventeen year old schoolgirl (a non-threat if you ask me), was checking the mail and taking care of the dogs at her mother's house that she did not live at.
Sure, it might look suspicious, but he actually knew her from some trouble before. Was it fully necessary to give her the run-down? You show me you got keys to the house and I'll believe you real quick that you're feeding the dogs.
JollyGee333 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:40:11 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
So, people are forced to change their look to comply. This sub has just gained in credibility in my mind
Pie_theGamer ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:51:34 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Not quite sure what this sub's for, actually.
ArtoriasBIG ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:16:58 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
9 times out of 10 is shit numbers. 10% of cops being crooked is untenable
WilyBanana ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:58:17 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
It's a turn of phrase, I didn't literally mean 90%.
ArtoriasBIG ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:20:02 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
If a fair few are rotten, and the organization is not self-correcting, then the whole thing is as good as spoiled.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 08:50:22 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
I'm Dutch and I moved to the United States. I can tell you Dutch cops are infinitely more chill than American cops. American cops expect you to grovel to them and their presence fills you with dread because everybody involved knows they can basically get away with anything. They are trained to be scared and to view the public as law breakers they just haven't caught doing anything... yet.
ictinc ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:50:05 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
There's a lot of asshole cops here in The Netherlands as well. Fortunately we don't have to worry about one of those to shoot you during a traffic stop. That just doesn't happen, unless you pose a real significant threat. The thing with cops on The Netherlands tough is they don't have to worry about a driver suddenly grabbing a gun. Of course they are prepared for when it ever happens but they don't get out of their car with their hand near their holster.
Curae ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:40:22 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Exactly, there's always bad apples of course. But even when you encounter an asshole cop there's still a super low chance they'll pull a gun on you. I'm honestly really glad that owning a gun here is rare, as you say, it allows the police to be more relaxed in a sense as well.
icantsurf ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:20:20 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not one to defend our (the USA's) cops very often, but this is a point so many people just breeze by. Every officer would be more on edge in a country with more guns than people, compared to your average European country.
Kalibos ยท 26 points ยท Posted at 22:50:18 on May 30, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Because they show them stuff like this
ArttuH5N1 ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 23:24:10 on May 30, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
This is the VHS from Best of the Worst, right?
Kalibos ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:29:09 on May 30, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
indeed it is
dangerous_dave ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 02:02:24 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
23:22 - what the hell hahahaha
OneHouseDown ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:11:51 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Peaky Blinders....
JollyGee333 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:08:14 on May 30, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
What the
dunedain441 ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 23:55:37 on May 30, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
OMG at 21:40 they show a cache of knives and some guns from a search of students at a public school.
Also, cops must be afraid of every basic object. They even showed a lighter with a hidden knife.
gslavik ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 03:45:38 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Pfft, I am sure if they searched all students in a not so nice area in NYC, they'd find some better stuff.
Tourquemata47 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:15:25 on June 3, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Hey! That`s my Guru at 41:40!
malariajesus ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 02:27:57 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
The John Wick take down during the spread Em wall search was pretty awesome
PunkRockPuma ยท 30 points ยท Posted at 23:36:37 on May 30, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Cops definitely are on edge all the time, and a big reason why people seem like they want to fuck with cops is because American cops are notorious for just randomly harassing people, especially those who don't seem like middle upper class cis straight white people
Source: American living in Chicago
JollyGee333 ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 23:50:02 on May 30, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
So the source of the problem would be the cops abusing their authority? I'm not denying it here just trying to make sure that's what you're saying
But yeah, with all that talk about police brutality, I'm sure it can't come from nothing. I just didn't realize it was bad enough for the average Joe to actually think that of the majority of cops instead of a few rare cases...
DMCA_OVERLOAD ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 01:20:17 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
It has less to do with overt abuse of authority and more to do with hypervigilance, lack of accountability, and no training or mandate to deescalate situations that have the potential to result in violence. That's not an issue with just a few 'bad apples'. That's an issue with most police officers period.
O_M_R ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 11:29:09 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
I know this will probably get buried, but the hyper-vigilance you speak of... this is the root of so many problems in the US. I'll get downvoted to hell for this but it's not the fault of the police.
It's american laws, specifically, gun laws. ANYONE could have a gun. ANYONE could have one in their glove box, strapped to their hip, long gun in the pickup, whatever. All it takes is someone having a bad day to start shooting at you because they have easy access to firearms and shit goes south in a hurry.
You'd be hyper-vigilant too. You'll notice the trend of most places that have "nice" police officers have much more strict gun control. Then the officers can more safely assume you're not going to murder them because you're having a bad day. People are unstable and unpredictable.
PunkRockPuma ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 00:47:01 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Yea it is abuse of power. Our systems encourage it and everyone knows that. For example, it's well known that cops have a ticket quota so they will look for excuses to ticket people regardless of if they've broken a law. Or harasses and physically remove homeless people from public spaces regardless of the legality.
Heck there's case law that says that says you can be arrested for breaking a law you didn't know existed, and there's case law for police being allowed to arrest someone for breaking a law they think exists, regardless of if it does.
gslavik ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 03:48:27 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
You should search for some NYPD stories. Bronx narcotics officers running drugs, former NYPD officers running brothels. NYPD license office (for guns) giving licenses for bribes (money, trips, etc.)
PunkRockPuma ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 05:20:09 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Oh yea I know. I live in Chicago, we had what amounted to an illegal torture warehouse for a long time.
My focus in this comment is how systematically and legally it is reinforced that police can do what would be illegal for most people. Hence why not only is it natural, but in fact beneficial to be constantly weary of the police
Iakeman ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:15:18 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)*
a blacksite. the CPD ran a literal fucking blacksite for like 15 years. CIA type shit. Rahm Emmanuel personally oversaw the coverup of a murder. none of these people will ever face consequences for the things they did
mystriddlery ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:11:21 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Not every average joe feels that way though...just think its fair to point out, reddits demographic is a small sliver of the US. I personally have issues with how some departments handle themselves but Ive never been scared after being pulled over and Ive had only pleasant experiences with police. The average person isnt 'scared' of police, possibly more on edge, especially since 80% of the time you see them is when driving and the main worry is whether or not they noticed you were speeding. Just like any job performed by humans, there are going to be some dicks, but robocops are a long ways away and the average cop is well intentioned despite what a lot of people here will say.
Iakeman ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:17:25 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
redditโs demographic is overwhelmingly white and middle class, so if (very justified) distrust of police is prevalent in that group you have to imagine itโs more prevalent generally.
mystriddlery ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:39:12 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Reddits demographic is overwhelmingly people who have had zero personal experience with police and form their entire opinion from headlines about the very worst of them, its stereotyping police officers no matter how you want to look at it.
Iakeman ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:49:21 on June 1, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
lol
mystriddlery ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:21:06 on June 1, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
You know its possible to stereotype any large group, right?
ajt1296 ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 05:54:40 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Just so you're clear, this is Reddit which is an overwhelmingly left leaning website in the context of American politics, and a subreddit that is specifically designed to more or less be "anti corporation, government, etc." The opinions you see here are very skewed and don't represent the opinions of average Americans. Probably 80% of people have no problems with cops and have never had a bad experience. Obviously there are some power hungry dick cops, but the large majority of Americans are not going to be harassed by any police officers.
Iakeman ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 07:17:44 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
lmfao
ajt1296 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:56:11 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah?
its0nLikeDonkeyKong ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 01:52:34 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
"middle upper class cis straight white people"
Well at least you're not going around generalizing human beings either lol
flying_jelly ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 22:55:26 on May 30, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
We got pulled over twice in Australia, every time a single cop came up to our rolled down window, one time a woman and asked friendly for our paperwork and stuff. Some routine drug and alcohol checks, eventually a ticket for something and a friendly goodbye. There is just nothing scary or dangerous about the whole thing, the only reason you are nervous is maybe getting a fine.
[deleted] ยท 23 points ยท Posted at 00:02:11 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, Aussie police tend to be okay except for the whole beating the crap out of homeless people thing.
i-luv-ducks ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 06:31:30 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
And the Aborigines I presume. And dark skinned Asians, Asians in general and, of course, Muslims.
Gigadweeb ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:17:13 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, it's more like if you're the right person.
i-luv-ducks ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:08:53 on June 2, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Australia and America have many bad things in common.
PhiladelphiaFish ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:37:06 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
That's exactly how every police encounter has gone for me too in the US (I'm American). Most traffic cops are not looking to shoot someone or get into a conflict on the job if not necessary. Especially if you're white.
RaccoonRazor ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 03:06:09 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
American here. We fucking hate and distrust most cops. They are not your friends. They are power hungry abusers. The cops in my town lie, cheat on their wives, embezzle funds, etc. and my city is โnot that bad.โ
Comrad_Khal ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 01:39:51 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)*
I'm from the US and I'd use this app. There's an undertone of violence with all police interactions because there's very little accountability, and they have a lot of power.
They could kill you on camera and get away with it. There's loads of videos of this happening. Shooting people with their hands up, or who are laying on the ground, kids, old people, you name it. Cops also make money off people with traffic violations, or just outright taking your car or money. So people don't trust them, or hate them
They've harassed me several times (especially when I'm with black people)
Edit: there's another problem I forgot to mention. There's a pretty big chunk of people here who support the police no matter what. On all those videos of very obviously innocent people getting gunned down you'll find some idiot in the comments section saying the cops did nothing wrong. Seems like basic police accountability is a partizan issue. I blame nationalist propaganda, there's loads of it over here.
ajt1296 ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 05:57:00 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah? You've had a cop steal your car and take your money for no reason?
Sure, okay.
Comrad_Khal ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 06:07:16 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_forfeiture_in_the_United_States
ajt1296 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:55:41 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
So you're a drug lord? Cops don't just go around taking shit from people for no reason lmao
Comrad_Khal ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:59:27 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
https://www.aclu.org/issues/criminal-law-reform/reforming-police-practices/asset-forfeiture-abuse
https://www.nationalreview.com/2017/06/civil-asset-forfeiture-police-abuse-clarence-thomas/
They don't do it for no reason, they do it for profit.
skooterblade ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 04:22:40 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Sorry. I missed all of that. It's hard to understand what you're saying while you're deepthroating that boot.
DMCA_OVERLOAD ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 01:08:35 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
If you lived in a police state, you had to keep a gun on you at all times for protection, and your life was falling apart you just might pull your gun on a cop too if he was arresting you. That probably describes at least a few million Americans.
PhiladelphiaFish ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 02:39:09 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Lol wtf you think a "few MILLION" Americans would pull a gun on a cop? That's completely ridiculous.
DMCA_OVERLOAD ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 02:48:47 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
No, I think that there are a few million Americans who are on the brink of losing what little they have, own guns, and are crossing their fingers hoping that they never have to put up with something like police overreach too because they just might snap.
PhiladelphiaFish ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:51:59 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
That's an oddly specific hypothetical scenario but ok.
DMCA_OVERLOAD ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 02:55:32 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
I mean, most people who pull guns on cops do it at routine traffic stops and such, right? Do you think those people woke up that morning thinking to themselves "Gee, I really hope I get pulled over today so that I can seize that specific unlikely happenstance moment to pull my gun on a police officer. Otherwise, my cop killing plan is just going to go to waste!" No. Their lives are already on the brink and that ticket is just the straw that broke the camel's back. They just snap. I don't think it's an odd or fringe type of scenario. I think it's the norm.
JollyGee333 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:26:51 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
That's a very interesting way to look at it, and probably pretty realistic for some people... Again, never thought of it that way
Aiyana_Jones_was_7 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:56:53 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
That's literally the reason we have the right to own the guns you dingus, to be able to defend ourselves from malicious state agents. Its the whole point!
PhiladelphiaFish ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:11:17 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Yes I'm aware. Most people are not going to exercise their 2nd amendment rights by pulling a gun on a cop during a routine traffic stop.
Aiyana_Jones_was_7 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:16:48 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
If you are pulling a gun on a cop its because your life is in danger, so thats far beyond "routine stop" territory.
Donnersebliksem ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:45:03 on May 30, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
This is exactly how it is, from my point of view at least.
JohnGenericDoe ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:54:07 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Choking on all that freedom
abutthole ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:16:50 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
The kinds of people who want to be cops kind of fall into two categories.
1) People who genuinely want to help their communities. These are good cops, hooray!
2) Violent bullies who couldn't make it in the military who just want an excuse to hurt people.
upfastcurier ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:44:21 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
i've often said it would be more nice to see chill police just doing chill stuff. there's a couple of videos of really chill police, even in the US, but they are vastly outnumbered by the crazy shit (whether it be police or another aggressor). there's a video where a police officer stops a man on his MC, starts the question with "are you in a hurry anywhere?", "no" the guy replies, and then the cop starts explaining he wants to buy a MC and asks for advice, what he thinks of his own MC (it was a model he thought of getting himself), etc, just being really friendly, and the guy clearly is OK with it and seems pretty enthusiastic about MCs
iamdevo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:43:59 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Wait, are you saying it seems that half of people who get pulled over by US cops try to fuck with the cop and the other half would pull a gun on them? If that's what you're saying you couldn't be more wrong. Most people just want them to go the fuck away and so are cooperative.
A lot of cops are definitely on edge but that's the nature of the entire institution. They aren't the guardians of the innocent they purport to be. The only thing they care about is maintaining power in any given situation.
uniqueUsername_1024 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:24:55 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, itโs only like that in real life if youโre Black.
(70% chance this will get downvoted.)
HappyHappyFuntimeAlt ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:50:37 on May 30, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Honestly that's only how it is in some areas, like Portland. But honestly the majority of places I have lived (I am poor so I haven't lived in the best places) the cops have all been fine. And most people know how to behave around cops. This is anecdotal of course so take this with a grain of salt.
But only the crazy shit gets put on TV.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 03:20:25 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
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JollyGee333 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:50:58 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Oh I don't think I was shitting on the US, I was expressing concern for the people and cops there... Also yeah, I've been there myself and didn't see anything special first-hand, although TSA was pretty damn annoying and suspicious with international flights. The people I've interacted with were lovely all over the West coast, too.
Still, the people a tourist interacts with are hardly the average person in that country so I don't really try going off my own observations when I haven't actually lived somewhere.
I've had the exact same reflection about Japan: had a wonderful time there, still I know there's weird shit going on with overworked people and crushing loneliness, among others.
Hambone721 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 04:54:07 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
You're biased because you only see the bad stuff posted online. You don't see the countless other interactions in every city and town that happen every day across America. Hundreds of thousands of police stops every day. It's not urban warfare.
There's no excuse for the bad cops or the bad apples causing trouble. Any bad interaction is one too many, but it's still a tiny fraction of every police encounter.
Don't paint with such a broad brush, it's really disrespectful.
JollyGee333 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:53:11 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
I'm aware of this bias, I've said it clearly many times. Don't call me disrespectful when I'm clearly trying my best to be objective and ready to learn.
Hambone721 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 12:48:19 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
There's nothing objective about calling America a warzone because of police interactions.
JollyGee333 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:19:26 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
I didn't do that though, I said that's what it looks like from an outsider's point of view with what we can see of it. You have to understand what I said, not what you think I'm saying.
Hambone721 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 14:26:11 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
I can read what you said. You called the U.S. a warzone, said you know it's not, but you don't care because that's what it looks like. You said there is something wrong with the way people behave in America. Everything you wrote is patently false and disrespectful.
JollyGee333 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:39:48 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Here I make it clear that I know that this is only a perception.
M I G H T
I don't know how to say this more clearly, I was voicing concern here, concern for people who might suffer from a situation that might be real, judging from the few things I've seen. I admitted not knowing what I was talking about and asked people who know better how it actually is.
I don't know why you're donning this victim role right now, you're the only person in this whole thread who decided to criticize me for bringing this up, and many people have actually kind of confirmed that it is regularly pretty tense in some areas. There was no need to act offended here, I kept my comment as PC as possible without being hypocritical, and yet here you are, talking about how offensive I was. People like you kill interesting discussions instead of fueling the debate.
Hambone721 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 14:47:54 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Your can cover all your bases and hedge all your perceptions and still be wrong.
There is a need to be offended because your comments are offensive. We don't need any more misinformation in this world. I'm the only one with criticism because this is reddit hive mind in action. It is what it is.
There's not a debate to be had here. You said it looks like America's police interactions are a warzone. It's not. That is not debatable.
JollyGee333 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:23:40 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
You're getting angry here instead of explaining why it isn't, which I said was what I thought to be true to begin with. Other people have given excellent recounts of their own experiences and have taught me about their own point of view. The only thing you have done was chastising me and giving morality lessons. That's not how you sway someone's opinion. Your behaviour has made me completely impermeable to anything you may have to say, to be honest. Getting offended over something that is obviously not meant to be offensive is a great way to lose all credibility.
Anyway, I've had enough of that excuse for a conversation and others have been much more constructive so I don't need to keep this going. I was taught a lesson in this thread, I was shown how things really are, and you had nothing to do with it. Peace out.
[deleted] ยท -11 points ยท Posted at 22:50:19 on May 30, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Itโs absolutely nothing like that. High profile incidents you read about on the news make the news because theyโre unusual. Neither me nor anyone I know has ever had a bad experience with a cop. I mean, they give you a ticket if you were speeding which sucks but otherwise thatโs it.
JollyGee333 ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 23:07:25 on May 30, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Just to clarify, I was not bashing on the cops or saying everyone is crazy in the US, hahaha, I like to think I'm not that narrow-minded
I'm just saying the climate seems tense overall. There are videos of cops pulling up in mostly black neighborhoods where they'd get recorded as if everyone expected them to do something arbitrary and unjustified, as a means of defense. That does not seem like something that would happen in a generally quiet place... Obviously it's not that way everywhere in the country, but it's quite a distressing thought for someone like me who has never even heard of anything like that being needed in their country
On a side note, I was equally as shocked when stuff like that started happening in France, my second country. France is not looking good these years. Riots are ever more violent and people become entitled and unfair. Wage gaps are through the roof and it shows.
TL;DR : It's hard not to generalize, but there are signs that things are not all right in my opinion
DMCA_OVERLOAD ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:25:29 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Sounds like you've lived a pretty sheltered life. It isn't like that everywhere.
OMGimaDONKEY ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:44:40 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
๐๐ฎ
locks_are_paranoid ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 23:32:58 on May 30, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
The vast majority of traffic stops just have a cop writing someone a ticket and that being the end of it. Most cops go their entire career without ever pointing their weapon at someone.
GlitterberrySoup ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 00:05:16 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
This is very true. Which I think is why when it goes wrong, it goes so very wrong, especially in small towns. I'm not placing blame with anyone, it's not a job I could do. I've been in holdup situations when I worked at retail and I'm not going to say I followed the manual to the letter. I shut the fuck down and cried at first because it's scary.
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locks_are_paranoid ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 03:12:06 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
I agree that bad cops need to be held accountable, and I fully support mandatory body cams. The best solution is to have a federal agency which is required to investigate all police shootings, and which is required to prosecute any shooting which is not justified by the facts.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 23:53:00 on May 30, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
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tesseract4 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 00:57:10 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Even though all that is true, as a civilian, you never know if this interaction with a cop is going to be one of the ones that goes badly. That's the problem. You can't easily identify the good ones from the bad ones, and the "good" ones protect the bad ones from accountability, so they have no incentive to quit being a cop. Statistically, I should have no reason to fear the police, but I'm still hella nervous whenever I do have to speak with a cop.
its0nLikeDonkeyKong ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 01:43:46 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
In urban areas cops are dealing with a lot of different people. I would be on edge too.
All those public freak outs we see, all the crazy people we hear about, etc all of those are calls cops go to
It really is nerve wracking. They are risking their lives & they are not soldiers. Obviously.
So it isn't that it's exaggerated but that in reality that would be about the right amount of incidents proportional to the millions of possible problems walking around
[deleted] ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 23:46:56 on May 30, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, in the USA you never get out of your car when you get pulled over. That's basically asking to die.
PractisingPoetry ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:05:07 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Fucking hell. Am American. It's really scary how obviously true that is upon hearing it. I've never thought about it like that before- but yeah: I can't imagine trying to get out of your car being met with anything but a gun being pulled on you.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:10:25 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
I'm 18, I was pulled over once because I don't have a license plate on the front of my car, they no longer manufacture the bolts to do that for my model of vehicle and I haven't been able to find them anywhere so I keep my front license plate next to my cupholder in case I get pulled over.
As soon as I reached for my license plate I noticed the officer put his hand on his gun. American police are trigger happy.
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Fredex8 ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 00:15:34 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
I've heard that in some Asian countries bribery is sort of expected if you want any help from the police. Obviously it has an even darker side too though. An Indian friend told me that his dad was once driving with someone when he was young and hit something on a dark road. They didn't know what it was and carried on but when they got home they found blood all over the bumper and a severed hand stuck in the grill. They weren't drunk or speeding or anything and it was a genuine accident in which the pedestrian was probably at fault for walking down the middle of a dark road (though the driver should have stopped to check) but when he told his father he immediately went to the police with the hand, explained what had happened and just paid them to ignore the incident.
nessdawwwwg ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:14:09 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
I live in a country where it isnt typically needed either.
But to my uneducated eye - isnt the main issue with police in America, the amount of guns that the public have? I mean, in my country, if you do pull over someone who wants to hurt you or wants to run, they will at worst have a knife or bat. I have police officer friends and they say finding a pistol is incredibly rare. Most have never even encountered an illegal one.
But in america, the chance of that person having a pistol or rifle is comparitively super high. I mean, we havent had a single police officer killed in 2 years, yet america is up to 19 so far this year.
I have a gun license, im not anti-gun. But i feel id be far more on edge being an officer in the states than an officer in aus.
BZenMojo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:49:32 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Police are more likely to commit suicide than die in the line of duty in the US, four times as likely to kill unarmed people, and more likely to kill an unarmed black person than to die in the line of duty.
In 13 of the 100 largest cities, black men are killed at higher than the US murder rate.
Guns are an excuse. The militarization of the police and treatment of citizens as an occupied insurrection is the real reason.
Guns aren't an excuse for us overpolicing in the first place, being the only developed nation with the death penalty, etc. These are core cultural issues in our legal system.
nessdawwwwg ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:15:44 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
So you dont think they are a factor at all?
Yeah, your legal system and sentences seem pretty over the top - but it can be hard to find a balance. Here in australia we had a horror year a couple of years ago where multiple women were murdered at random by men on bail.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:54:42 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Which country?
thiscantbehowitends ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:16:47 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Do you live on koopa beach
positivepeoplehater ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:21:36 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
What country?
Curae ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:33:58 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
The Netherlands
positivepeoplehater ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:53:02 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Thx
imightstealyourdog ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:06:50 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Haha as I read your uncle got out of the car I freaked, thatโs how you get shot for sure.
546erobles ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:26:23 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Well, there was a time when cops were killed daily in America, it was so dangerous to be a cop, that they had to change things, sadly it got to far, but you should get that also cops are in a hard position every day
richardrasmus ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:35:46 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Curious does he have non white skin
Curae ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:00:31 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Nope, he's white.
melanino ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:56:11 on June 7, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
What is this magical place you speak of
Aido121 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:01:55 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
It's really not that bad. I've been pulled over about a dozen times total, only one time was even a little uncomfortable, and I don't blame the cop at all.
They were all super polite and nice, even the uncomfortable one. He just asked me like 15 times if i had weed in my car (i didn't) so there's that.
But then again, I'm white so
ChadMcRad ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 02:29:21 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Oh come on. Like, I'm not saying the situation isn't better, but this type of condensation is unhelpful and very likely false. I'm sure there are plenty of instances where people have had horrible encounters with cops.
Zetch88 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:00:27 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
If you have a horrible encounter with the police over here, you're the asshole.
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 03:12:58 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
"I luckily live in a country where the police are honest and self-defence isn't necessary."
I'm glad for you, buddy. I hope you have fun with the unicorns and fairies, too.
heather528x ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 02:06:32 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
WHAT HE DID?
btw, ignorance to the law isn't an excuse. If you're visiting another country then learn how shit works there
PractisingPoetry ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:08:17 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
It's not against the law to approach a state troopers vehicle.
SanguisFluens ยท 44 points ยท Posted at 23:49:15 on May 30, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Kinda fucked up that despite the law allowing you to record police in almost every situation, cops are allowed to lie and intimidate you into turning off the camera.
queer_bolshevik ยท 26 points ยท Posted at 00:18:57 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
almost as if they care more about power than about upholidng the law...
BZenMojo ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:50:36 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
1312.
shark_claws ยท 22 points ยท Posted at 22:50:42 on May 30, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Welcome to America
SakkSweat ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 23:36:12 on May 30, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
american cops for ya
WarMace ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 01:08:27 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Video is the silent witness. Better to have it and not need it than to not have it and need it.
RatHead6661 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 00:46:53 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Nah, not fucked at all. Even in places where it's not needed, police should be recorded at all times.
MrDeckard ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 06:23:41 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Police can't be recorded in places it's not needed because the only places where you don't need to record cops are places where no cops are.
Jesus that's an unwieldy sentence. My bad guys.
RatHead6661 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:29:32 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
That's what they want you to think, you have to especially record the cops that aren't there with cameras that aren't there.
MrDeckard ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:04:55 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
BUT WHO WILL RECORD THOSE CAMERAS
RatHead6661 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:07:51 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
THE POLICE OF COURSE
TAU_doesnt_equal_2PI ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 03:01:44 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
You entirely changed what he's saying by replacing "need" with "should."
RatHead6661 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:35:25 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Oh my bad, lemme fix that. Even in places where it's not necessary, the police need to be recorded at all times. That's better
AndrewJackingJihad ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:21:11 on May 30, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Welcome to /r/ABoringDystopia
GuiltySparklez0343 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 08:29:24 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
In America you have to bend over backwards for the police cause it is entirely possible a cop could ruin your life and face no consequences. Imagine if it was like that for all industries, imagine if you weren't super nice to the cashier and as a consequence you went to prison or got shot.
Stoopsitter ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:20:47 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
What makes a cop special? Itโs just a human being who is given power over others. You know what they say about power, right?
dauub ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:37:43 on June 1, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Its a cool tweak idea. But knowing siri, she will be like," you wanted to make a call to the police,is that correct "
Incruentus ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 10:18:59 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
You don't. It's pretty much just a meme.
I_Argue ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 11:06:58 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
You don't, the chances of something bad happening are exceedingly small and not only that are almost completely dependent on yourself.
Trev_Holland ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 05:35:12 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
This is absolutely the wrong mentality. You always want them to see the camera and see that you're recording. It's a deterrent more than anything.
If you hide it and they're shitty cops, they'll do shitty things. Sure, you have a potentially winning case on your hands with the video, but you still got fucked up. Make damn sure they know you're recording and they'd be a damn fool to do shitty things.
Same with security cameras at your house. Put them in plain sight.
Bullies only bully when they think they'll get away with it. You let them know there's no way they're getting away with it and the chances of them being a bully drop significantly.
zangent ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:20:32 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
If they see your camera, there's the chance that they'll throw their weight around and try to get you to stop recording. Legally, I don't think they can force you to, but I have a feeling that I, and a lot of other people, would probably cave under the pressure. If you don't disclose that you're recording, though, you have a safety net and solid proof of anything they do to you. I would definitely side with keeping the camera a secret.
BZenMojo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:52:14 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
If you record it in secret, then it's more work for the police department to cover up before the grand jury refuses to indict.
If you record it openly to periscope, then they have the chance to avoid ruining your life.
objectiveandbiased ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 03:24:00 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Iโd argue the opposite. Cops like that dick in Arkansas May behave different if known to be recorded
burritoxman ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:40:11 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah Iโm pretty sure you want them to see as a deterrent.
ScopePerspective ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:00:15 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Welcome to all of human history. Not saying things can't be better, but we Americans have it pretty damn good compared to all of history.
There is no harm or negative implications for having such tools available as a back up resource for justice / safety purposes.
Slabanananana ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:24:26 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
hmm, do i tape him shooting me. Or do i prevent the shooting with clearly taping him.
ddpacker ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:14:34 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
If a cop has malicious intent, wouldn't you want him to know he's being recorded. You know, to dissuade from him doing something that would force him to pay a fine... Like shooting unarmed black children?
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 00:13:37 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)*
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TimeTurnedFragile ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 01:18:53 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Not true, that applies to conversations via telephone but in public they have no expectation of privacy
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BOT-Harvey ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:56:43 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
wow. is the change in law instant, like is it okay for me to do it in FL as of 3 days ago?
FijiTearz ยท 38 points ยท Posted at 01:19:47 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Because itโll piss a cop off to see that the camera is on, even if itโs completely legal
SentientMicrowave ยท 57 points ยท Posted at 19:46:55 on May 30, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
At a guess, it could be to save battery life to minimize the chance that the phone dies mid-recording.
Fabermetrics ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 00:19:43 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Cops will shoot on sight if you attempt to record them, despite it being legal.
UndergroundLurker ยท 25 points ยท Posted at 01:12:22 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
The shooting, you mean?
Fabermetrics ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 02:02:37 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
I didn't but yea that's a sad point too
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:58:36 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
If you're white you're usually pretty safe from this though.
PhiladelphiaFish ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 02:42:15 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
That's completely un-true wtf.
Fabermetrics ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 02:56:28 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Walk up to a cop with a camera and see how smoothly it goes. Or pull one out on your next stop.
Finding_Cory ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:31:10 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Is your brain smooth? Do you know how often people record police and don't get shot. Everyday. Show me an example of someone getting shot for recording the police, because I can show you plenty of ones that didn't get shot.
Fabermetrics ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:35:04 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Yea I was wrong. You don't need to record a cop for them to legally shoot you. They can do that at any time. Still the recording will provoke their power trip.
Finding_Cory ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:49:17 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Please show me any examples. Please. Do you want links to black people who were not shot by the police even after commiting felonys? I'll make a list.
Killed 3 people, arrested without being killed
Killed 2 police officers, arrested without being killed
Killed 2 police officers, arrested without being killed
Killed a deputy, arrested without being killed
Killed a police officer, arrested without being killed
Shot at police, arrested without being killed
Killed 2 police officers, arrested without being killed
Do you need more? I have more. Please give me one example of police killing someone for no reason what so ever.
Fabermetrics ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:59:28 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
https://abcnews.go.com/US/police-officer-fatally-shot-kansas-man-swatting-case/story?id=54437228
Is answering your door a felony?
Finding_Cory ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:10:16 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
No, but that wasn't why he was shot. The police believed they were responding to someone who had just killed someone and had a hostage. All the fault falls on the person who made the swatting call.
Here is the footage from the incident
He makes a sudden move into something like a shooting stance. Maybe if there is swat officers pointing rifles at you, don't take a shooting stance. This incident is tragic, and he did not deserve to be shot, but look at it from the officers point of view, dispatch told you this guy just killed someone with a gun and he has a hostage. He opens the door and makes a sudden move. He could be moving to shoot at you. You have less than a second to make a choice, and if you choose wrong you or your buddy could die.
mae42dolphins ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 05:53:51 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Thereโs a pretty big space between a situation not going smoothly and literally getting shot at.
PhiladelphiaFish ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 02:58:23 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Will do, it's legal and any cop with 1 functioning brain cell will not pull a gun on you for it, let alone shoot you on camera, for simply recording them.
Fabermetrics ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 03:00:15 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
You're aware it's legal for a cop to shoot anyone so long as they tell a grand jury they "felt threatened" right? They have cops shooting people running away, who felt threatened by the person fleeing. Legal.
Enzonoty ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 08:56:22 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah maybe if you run up with a camera In their face after a really intense moment like a fight or shooting. If people would know the right time and place to do things it wouldnโt be a problem. Such a stupid fucking argument. If everyone would stop the hate and love each other we wouldnโt have these societal problems. You canโt fight hate with more hate. Love our cops bespite their mistakes. Love trumps hate in all manners and maybe if we would have a little more love for each other there wouldnโt be a need for police ๐ญ
TAU_doesnt_equal_2PI ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 03:03:35 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
You are making shit up and it's hurting your argument. Police brutality and lack of accountability is a grave problem but what you're saying (that a cop will shoot you on sight of a camera) is a gross exaggeration and it hurts your point.
MyKoalas ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 03:45:53 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Youโre a moron. If you think is remotely true maybe you should step out of your house more.
Fabermetrics ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 04:01:27 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Try filming a routine traffic stop jackwagon
MyKoalas ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 04:18:48 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
I do, and have. Stopping spreading lies.
Fabermetrics ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 04:47:02 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Ok officer. Please don't shoot
CuriousCheesesteak ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:34:19 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Sure, post the videos here then.
MyKoalas ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 13:42:00 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Love some good old fashioned confirmation bias. You people are delusional lmao
CuriousCheesesteak ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:46:49 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Love some good old fashioned dodging. Do you always lie like a pussy when arguing online?
MyKoalas ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:26:21 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
okay small man, love your lack of a coherent argument, hope the upvotes from these others fools makes your sad life worth living, goodbye
codymariesmith ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 04:46:41 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
there are thousands of examples of people recording cops with varying degrees of success, libertarian types do it all the time.
we have a really fucked up police system and I'm all aboard the ACAB train, but what you're saying is ridiculous.
jal0pee1 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 05:19:30 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
I wonder what color skin most libertarians have.
codymariesmith ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 05:31:35 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)*
no argument here, but that's not what the OP is talking about.
saying 'it's more dangerous for PoC to visibly film cops than it is for white people' is not the same thing as 'if you film a cop they will murder you and get away with it'.
tanksareforcowards ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:09:26 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
The point is it's far riskier than it should be. Obviously the instadeath is hyperbole; the camera might get viewed as an escalation or threat, however, and that could lead the interaction down a very bad road. Yes it takes time and escalation to get to the point guns are drawn.
Have we gotten pedantic enough? Should we get even more pedantic?
Nickvr628 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 05:20:58 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Why is this getting upvotes?
RobertAPetersen ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 03:16:58 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
As others have said, to be less noticeable.
Source: Me, I made the shortcut.
iFuckYourMama ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:17:25 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Conserve battery
AmsterdamNYC ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:55:56 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Saves your eyesight and doesnโt blind the cops.
awhaling ยท 719 points ยท Posted at 22:47:50 on May 30, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
link to download shortcut
link to reddit post by developer
[deleted] ยท 278 points ยท Posted at 02:33:37 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
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RobertAPetersen ยท 259 points ยท Posted at 02:43:33 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Not that Iโd know how to do, this was made specifically using Appleโs Shortcuts scripting language.
SGT_BootInYourAss ยท 31 points ยท Posted at 06:16:02 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Dude, this is fucking awesome. Thank you for doing this. Magnificent work.
thebeardedteach ยท 74 points ยท Posted at 03:59:20 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
I installed this. Awesome for one.
However my Siri command doesn't seem to recognize it. Is there a setup for that too?
RobertAPetersen ยท 55 points ยท Posted at 04:24:47 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
In Shortcuts tap the 3 dots in the upper right of the specific shortcut, then tap here:
https://i.imgur.com/vMvOWy5.jpg
Then tap โSiri phraseโ
Asthoughihadwings ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:51:53 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
I downloaded shortcuts, but when I use the above link to download it just takes me to a page for downloading shortcuts still. What am I doing wrong?
RobertAPetersen ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:53:24 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Make sure you're opening the URL for my shortcut in Safari on your phone, and not using some built in browser in whatever Reddit app you're using.
Asthoughihadwings ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:00:09 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
That was exactly the issue! Thank you so much!!
_CaptainKirk ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:00:28 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
On my phone itโs โAdd to Siriโ
aprofondir ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:20:28 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
It can be done with Tasker I'm sure
StuntHacks ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:33:34 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Or with Google Assistant.
Molinero96 ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 11:12:27 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
seems stupid. 99 of the people that get mistreated by the police are poor and don't have iphones.
RobertAPetersen ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 14:11:12 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)*
If you want to make a similar thing for Android Iโm not stopping you. I made this for iPhone because thatโs what I have access to and know how to do.
Sorry if you donโt approve of something I made for free in my spare time.
Plenty of people have already found it quite useful ยฏ\_(ใ)_/ยฏ
StuntHacks ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 15:33:26 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
People can be entitled dicks when it comes to Freeware/FOSS. I'm sorry for that, and thanks for the awesome job. I may create an Android version if I get to it.
RobertAPetersen ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 15:42:51 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Thanks.
And yeah, itโs a fairly basic script is all, even if the exact thing doesnโt exist on Android something similar surely does (just not familiar enough with Android to know), but here are the actions of my script to give you a basic idea of whatโs happening if you want to use something similar with whatever is available on Android:
https://youtu.be/Tl_FkaySQRY
StuntHacks ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:43:53 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Thanks a lot! Something like this definitely is possible using the Google Assistant API, or Tasker.
Molinero96 ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 14:15:14 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
I would like to see anyone trying to stop someone from making an app. not even google can stop people from making flappy Bird clones.
gufeldkavalek62 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 14:42:00 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Yes thatโs exactly the point he was making
Molinero96 ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 14:46:38 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
and its totally understandable. since I really doubt he is getting paid for making it, is really not my place to tell him what to do. I just made a point to say that most people that get discriminated by cops are poor and usually iphones are rather expensive.
gufeldkavalek62 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:49:31 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
To criticise at all just seems fruitless. What heโs created will still potentially help loads of people. Itโs not his fault many people canโt afford iPhones
Molinero96 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:52:17 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
you are wrong criticism is always good. you saw what happened with the sonic movie trailer.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:44:03 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
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Molinero96 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:26:38 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
who are you to say my criticism is invalid.
karmicOtter ยท 23 points ยท Posted at 03:18:08 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Here you go good sir/madam
https://www.aclu.org/issues/criminal-law-reform/reforming-police-practices/aclu-apps-record-police-conduct
Your_mom_has_it ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 02:49:30 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Look in the /r/Tasker you should find some shortcuts you could use there to achieve the same effect.
ExclamatoryWalrus ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 05:11:39 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Tasker
yoofoureeyah ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 10:51:13 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
My Pixel 3 came with a lockdown feature. When enabled, a lockdown button appears on screen after holding the power button down. When activated, it disables fingerprint login and requires a passcode to unlock.
frankxanders ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 12:32:37 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Still doesn't record anything like this Siri action, but I bet it's possible to get an Assistant routine set up for this.
zebbleganubi ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 08:08:04 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
background video record + tasker, and then use one of those launchers where you swipe from the side of the screen to start the task (swiftly switch) because its seems more reliable then having to use siri. plus it's going to sound dumb if the cop is walking towards your car and they hear you frantically trying to get the voice command right
PM_ME_UR_VAGENE ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:14:16 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
You can launch Siri shortcuts from your widgets
zebbleganubi ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:15:06 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
oh
Krungloid ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:07:22 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
"Okay Google, start recording" is the closest without if-this-then-that.
kazi_the_mediocre ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:37:29 on June 2, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
I think it would be relatively easy to do this with an NFC tag though I donโt know if it can do everything the shortcut can. Alexa has stuff like this (as seen in the memes) but itโs not on your phone. It would be interesting to see if Google Assistant can do it.
redjedi182 ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 23:34:40 on May 30, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Doesnโt seem to work
linnftw ยท 31 points ยท Posted at 00:40:56 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
You need to have Appleโs Shortcuts app installed.
Shortcuts by Apple https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/shortcuts/id915249334?mt=8
thenoelist329 ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 00:19:43 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Open in Safari
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:55:01 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)*
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awhaling ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:08:16 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Yes and also sends it to whoever you specify. So I have it sent to myself and a friend.
neon_Hermit ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:47:02 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Need one of these for Android.
cultoftheilluminati ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:40:10 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Join us over at r/shortcuts for more awesome stuff
_CaptainKirk ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:59:38 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
I wasnโt able to get the link to work right, but I copied the steps pretty easily
Ragdolling_away ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:35:16 on August 22, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
We need an android version
echodelay ยท 427 points ยท Posted at 00:52:49 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
This did not work for me. Siri trys to get me killed
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Siri and the police
FijiTearz ยท 155 points ยท Posted at 01:21:48 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Lmaoo someone at apple had to have coded that specifically in thatโs too funny
Matt219 ยท 32 points ยท Posted at 02:57:02 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Wouldnโt he have to have the song in his library or be an Apple Music subscriber though?
Throwaway_Consoles ยท 24 points ยท Posted at 05:06:25 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, it would either have to be in their library, OR be an Apple Music subscriber.
Either way, Siri usually doesnโt play something unless you say โplay...โ Unless they made this Siri command themselves.
YipYapYoup ยท 41 points ยท Posted at 06:16:42 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
There you go.
[deleted] ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 11:33:25 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Incorrect, Siri says that sheโs running your shortcut when you invoke a custom command.
echodelay ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 14:28:11 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
FYI- I AM an Apple Music subscriber!
jakrojan ยท 33 points ยท Posted at 02:58:09 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Itโs a custom shortcut.
Pennigans ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 04:36:10 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Bixby pulled up a shortcut to call 911. I don't know how helpful more cops would be.
LiterallyJackson ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 13:30:17 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
โWell letโs make it a party!โ -Bixby, probably
njklein58 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 06:45:18 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
I tested it. All that happens for me is Siri says she doesnโt know what I mean. Thanks, Siri.
Edit: Okay actually never mind I realized I found out I just didnโt download shortcuts yet. Guess Iโm the stupid one.
AaronEnEspanol ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:15:43 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Us (2019) Jordan Peele
Sabrinacolada ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 12:50:10 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Siri tried to get me in trouble too. โCalling emergency services in 3...2...1 I almost shat myself.
imguralbumbot ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 12:50:20 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
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CaffeinatedGuy ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 05:41:45 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
That's cool, Google assistant doesn't understand.
White upper-class bitch.
JackTheJot ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:02:41 on July 20, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Didn't work for me either
Afyoogu ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:55:24 on August 26, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
has siri ever done anything besides offer to google something or say "i didn't get that"? i try every year or so and it never changes
jahwls ยท 767 points ยท Posted at 22:00:21 on May 30, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Good on whoever put this into the system.
SamBrev ยท 388 points ยท Posted at 22:07:57 on May 30, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Yep. The fact that it's needed is kinda shitty, but having it there is definitely a good thing.
bastiVS ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 10:37:01 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Well it isnt needed.
Unless you live in a third world shithole.
Or the United states of America.
So unless you live in any shithole.
Flomosho ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 13:37:50 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
America?
nizdi ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:58:44 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Hey, that's no true! I live in a third wolrd shithole and I don't need it. If a cop stop me I'll die anyway, I prefer to do not drain my battery with a useless video.
awhaling ยท 176 points ยท Posted at 22:39:27 on May 30, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
It's a user made shortcut, just FYI
[deleted] ยท 51 points ยท Posted at 23:12:07 on May 30, 2019 ยท (Permalink)*
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[deleted] ยท 53 points ยท Posted at 00:12:16 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
https://www.reddit.com/r/aboringdystopia/comments/buxbdw/_/epjnqjv
SwissCheese64 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 00:01:54 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
I also would like to know
awhaling ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 00:59:09 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
https://www.reddit.com/r/aboringdystopia/comments/buxbdw/_/epjnqjv
jahwls ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 23:59:44 on May 30, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
And here I was thinking Apple was better than they are (f*ck them and their changing plugs). Happy that people are out there doing the good works.
awhaling ยท 22 points ยท Posted at 00:58:21 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
I actually love their charging plugs. Fuck them for taking their headphones out and other things like that. But the charging plugs on iphones are the fucking tits.
If they let everyone use them royality free that would be awesome. They feel very sturdy compared to micro USB.
handbanana42 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:23:08 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
That's the problem though. Even the cables they charge a fee to make them and lock them down with proprietary bullshit. The designs are usually great though. I wouldn't have to constantly send my laptop in for repairs if they could use the magnetic connector that Apple uses for their laptops.
I think USB-C should be an improvement but I haven't had the chance to experience it yet.
fuckathrowy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:53:33 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Well no android phones use micro usb anymore anyways. Havent really for a couple years except maybe really cheap ones idk? Since the s8 its been all usb-c
SoManyTimesBefore ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 06:43:30 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Which is an improvement from micro usb. But lightning is still way easier to plug in
Radek_18 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:17:18 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Weird because Iโd consider this to be leaning towards customization. The very thing most of reddit complains about not being able to do on Apple products. This shows how far up their own ass people are for this Apple hate train.
UnexpectedLemon ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 00:03:09 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Tf is wrong with their plugs? At least they stay consistent. Android canโt seem to decide what plug they want to use
MatthewSerinity ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 00:19:48 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
We all use USB C, what do you mean?
linnftw ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 00:50:09 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Some cheaper Android phones still use micro USB. I donโt know what anyone here is complaining about. Apple seems to change their cable like, once every 10 years? (30 pin came out in 2003, Lightning came out in 2012, USB-C for iPads was 2018) And changing the iPad to be USB-C is an undeniably positive change.
MatthewSerinity ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:52:32 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
I agree, I'm excited for when they change their phones to it too, will make borrowing chargers more convenient.
InsertNounHere88 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:36:28 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
I think he's talking about that USB C is used for midrange phones and flagships, micro USB for low-end phones.
MatthewSerinity ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 00:48:18 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
My budget phone from three years ago uses USB C.
How about iPad and iPhone using different connectors, ha.
InsertNounHere88 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:50:26 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
I never noticed that. huh.
What brand was your budget phone?
MatthewSerinity ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:52:52 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Nextbit
InsertNounHere88 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:53:46 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
ty
UnexpectedLemon ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 02:25:14 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
?? They use the same connector though...
MatthewSerinity ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:30:34 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
No, they don't anymore.
UnexpectedLemon ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 02:32:53 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Oh yeah thanks, I forgot about that. The thing is the iPad is supposed to be a MacBook alternative and they both use usb C. Not defending that decision though, itโs dumb af and lighting works fine. I hope iPhone doesnโt use usb C though because I hate how thick it is and how the cable is female instead of male. It makes the entire thing too thick and means the cable can easily get stuff stuck in it. I already destroy lighting cables super fast, and now theyโre gonna be even more complicated(
MatthewSerinity ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:37:07 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
I have been using the same USB C cable for three years, and I burned through Micro USB cables fast. And lightning. Anecdotally speaking I believe USB C is far, far more durable. I have never had a single USB C cable fail, except for when the cat chewed through one
UnexpectedLemon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:39:01 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Oh yeah I donโt have those issues because of them breaking, I have those issues because of dust and moisture. Generally I can fix them just by cleaning the cable end (it builds up carbon whenever my phone is damp and I plug it in), but on usb c thatโll be super hard. Also itโs way thicker which I hate
MatthewSerinity ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:41:06 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Hm... Well, perhaps this might help if you're in a dusty area?
UnexpectedLemon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:56:45 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Thatโs cool, but Iโd rather just use a cable that doesnโt force me to spend more money to make it work better than what already exists
MatthewSerinity ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:03:29 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
But USB C is cheaper upfront and long-term ;)
SCtester ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:16:20 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Probably around 80% of Android devices being used currently would beg to differ. Micro USB is still extremely prevalent.
KZedUK ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:20:25 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
The vast majority of iOS devices have Touch ID too. It just takes a while to filter things through.
RobertAPetersen ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 03:18:38 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Raises hand.
You can get more info and the Shortcut here:
https://www.reddit.com/r/shortcuts/comments/9huqiw/getting_pulled_over_by_police/
rose-bradwardine ยท 1006 points ยท Posted at 20:37:12 on May 30, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
This makes me want to throw up. I got pulled over yesterday and it was such an minor non-event. Thinking about how much (justifiable) fear other people have when they go through the same thing is horrifying.
Jakexx360 ยท 555 points ยท Posted at 23:53:55 on May 30, 2019 ยท (Permalink)*
I got pulled over the other day, and homie was trying REAL hard to get into my car. Telling me I was being too polite and he needs to get his K9. I said no. My fiance was crying. All in all extremely stressful
EDIT: Iโm white, fiancรฉ hispanic, pulled over for 5mph over speed limit in Illinois. Provided my ID as passenger when he asked - just to play nice after seeing the guy from Wu-tang get messed up for refusing. Figured he was looking to get his ticket quota but was actually looking for a drug bust. Like a gram of weed in the car but he couldnโt secure probable cause. Keep your gear in the trunk gang.
paracelsus23 ยท 298 points ยท Posted at 00:50:12 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Wow. I'm literally speechless.
Jakexx360 ยท 259 points ยท Posted at 01:08:40 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Right? Told him Iโm being polite because I grew up in the midwest, my dad was a trooper, so I know you gotta be nice, and heโs like โA HA! You said you were from the East coast!โ
Naw bitch I went to college out there. Homie really thought he caught me in a lie. Donโt answer personal questions.
reduces ยท 123 points ยท Posted at 01:56:04 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Fucking asshole on a power Trip. I know it's hard to not answer personal questions and be personable if you're a polite person but damn, the little they know the better. Sorry you had that experience and I hope your girl is doing better.
JonnyAU ยท 31 points ยท Posted at 12:43:23 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Yup. I remember my friend getting pulled over once when we were teenagers and he answered the officer with the usual "yes sir" and "no sir" as you do down here in the South. And the cop gave him the stink eye and yelled "Dont you 'sir' me!!"
paracelsus23 ยท 24 points ยท Posted at 13:02:09 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
My grandmother got pulled over (in the south) several years ago with me in the car. Going 5 over or something like that. Officer called her "lady", and my grandmother replied "That's ma'am to you, young man. Just because I lost track of my speed doesn't excuse proper manners!". He said "yes ma'am" and brought back her speeding ticket. Yes we're white.
ngwoo ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 13:58:29 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Resisting, huh? Get the tasers
VacantThoughts ยท 49 points ยท Posted at 01:32:50 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Douchebags are pissed that come the first of January they can't bust anyone for less then 30 grams here in Illinois. Fuck them, I hope half lose their jobs.
shizzletripper ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:21:42 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Does that start next year?
VacantThoughts ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:57:59 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
It technically still has to pass the House but its a pretty good bet, and if it does it will be in effect first of next year.
handbanana42 ยท 44 points ยท Posted at 03:10:28 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
I had some psycho/creeper almost hit me twice because he was on his phone. I motioned to him to hang up his phone and he followed me 30 minutes to my work and followed me in the parking lot. I got freaked out and headed to the local PD instead. Found a cop on the side of the road and pulled over. Guy kept driving. Cop grilled me on why I was visibly shaking. Maybe because this guy followed me from my home to my place of work and it creeped me out?
Now this guy knows where I live and work and I know nothing about him or what is/was going through his head.
MrDeckard ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 06:36:16 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Jesus H, that sounds terrible. Shit like this is why I have a tough time with the "cops may cause problems, but they provide us with so much safety." Do they? Because I've had zero positive interactions with police. And come to think of it, I don't know that I've known someone personally who had a "better than average" interaction with a cop.
viperex ยท 91 points ยท Posted at 00:16:52 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Hate to go there but are you the same color as the officer?
Jakexx360 ยท 171 points ยท Posted at 00:17:41 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Me, yes, sobbing fiancรฉ worried about getting their very first ticket, no โน๏ธ
As soon as his tone changed to searching the car it got real tense. K9 woulda hit too, if I hadnโt told the cop no.
KayfabeRankings ยท 37 points ยท Posted at 06:49:45 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Because they hit more often than not even when thereโs nothing in the car. Drug sniffing dogs are just a way for cops to violate your fourth amendment rights.
ngwoo ยท 29 points ยท Posted at 13:59:43 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
I still can't fathom how the law allows an animal that eats its own shit to make the decision to override the Constitution.
medicalhershey ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 08:37:15 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Haven't smoked weed in years let alone in the car I bought 3 months ago. K9 "hit" on my car of course
zJws ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 05:05:10 on June 6, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
I got a K9 "hit" my motorcycle... Do you really think somebody is moving bricks of cocaine in a flashy motorcycle?
su5 ยท 57 points ยท Posted at 02:14:28 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Good move my man. Regardless of if you are holding it's great you told them no. Bullies
[deleted] ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 06:55:27 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
How did you tell the officer no? I would be terrified.
Jakexx360 ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 14:57:36 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
โCan I search your car?โ
โNo sirโ
โIs it because you have drugs?โ
โNo sirโ
โ.... ... ... Fair enoughโ walks away
Went down just about like that
[deleted] ยท -17 points ยท Posted at 05:10:08 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
lol.
You're complaining that it was stressful to have police pull you over when you had drugs in the car.
If you don't want to worry about getting caught with drugs in your car, don't have drugs in your car.
Iakeman ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 07:25:37 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
weedโs not a crime in illinois, dipshit
owlzitty ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 08:35:10 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Lol. Weed? What if they had a bottle of beer too oh golly gosh
Jakexx360 ยท 22 points ยท Posted at 05:14:53 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
No, it was stressful to be grilled on whether I was smuggling heroin and cocaine while my fiance cried, and then poking holes in my life story followed by attempting to coerce his way into my car with his K9 with my cat in the car.
WrathOfTheHydra ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:13:48 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
I don't feel the war on drugs is nearly as justified as it pretends to be, and he didn't have any reason to search the car, but in the future try to keep that stuff out of your car, my dude. That will lax the situation a lot more.
[deleted] ยท -11 points ยท Posted at 01:52:15 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
I bet you actually love to "go there"
Dick_In_A_Tardis ยท 30 points ยท Posted at 02:38:24 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Fuck Illinois police. I moved out of there years ago and I get called 3 times per week by the police begging for donations. It's always the same couple guys at the station too and they've got the wrong name every time. "No I'm not Jim, no I'm not sending you money" x3
[deleted] ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 03:11:27 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)*
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Dick_In_A_Tardis ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 03:18:09 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
I'd just like if they spent their resources on something other than cold calling me. It's not even tax deductible iirc last I checked.
MrDeckard ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 06:32:50 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Honestly? Every dollar they spend calling people who hate cops is a dollar not spent on shooting some teenager in the back.
CassandraVindicated ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 08:15:19 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
I still get those calls 10 years after moving out of Illinois. I've never given them a dime and yet they call me several times a year. No matter what I try, they won't take me off the list.
Dick_In_A_Tardis ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 08:31:45 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
If you've got the time to mess with them, say yes to everything they ask. When they ask for a credit card number look at your card and give them randomized digits in the same format as your card. Tell them it must be expired and repeat with another card. Keep doing this until you drive them mad. Usually prevents calls for at least a while. And yeah I moved outta there 11ish years ago and it started e years ago. Do you still have an Illinois area code in your phone number? I haven't changed mine since I moved so I'm thinking that's what it is.
CassandraVindicated ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:04:12 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
I do still have an Illinois area code and I'm pretty sure that's what the issue is. How they got my number in the first place, I'll never know.
Dick_In_A_Tardis ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:19:24 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
They've probably tried every phone number from the state by now honestly
nermid ยท 39 points ยท Posted at 00:53:52 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, that sounds like probable cause to me.
/s
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 02:29:24 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Lol well turns out the cop was right though based on the guys last comment ๐คท๐ปโโ๏ธ
nermid ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 06:02:42 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
He can be as right as he wants, but if he doesn't have probable cause, he can be right in his patrol car while OP drives away.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:08:51 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Oh youโre right, just saying he happened to be right about what he suspected is all
MrDeckard ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 06:31:07 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Ehhhh, he didn't have any reason to suspect drugs. Good thing he fucked off, sounds like they're somewhere that they enslave you for having a gram.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:08:24 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
He didnโt but Iโm just saying that he was right, not that he had any basis but he was correct in his assumption
SirGameandWatch ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 10:01:51 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
It's fucking weed dude. It's harmless. "Lol well it turns out the guy actually did have Jews hiding in his attic ๐คทโโ๏ธ" That's what you sound like right now. Dumbass.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:07:40 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
? I donโt care about weed, just saying the cop was right in the fact that he believed the guy was holding drugs lol
whisperingsage ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:11:53 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Because it's so unlikely for someone to have weed.
Bowtieloved ยท 34 points ยท Posted at 02:11:52 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
I had a buddy the other day that had 3-4 grams of weed. He got pulled over and the cop asked if he was under the influence. He said no he just bought it and was on his way home to smoke. Cop told him to have a fun night and let him off with a warning for a rolling stop.
Crazy to think that an hour south of here you can go to prison for that.
NotAnFed ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 02:17:35 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
On your person is the best place to have it, especially the sock/shoe. Traffic stops are considered Terry stops, and a cop can only legally pat you down for weapons and nothing else. A search warrant for your car can be as easy to get as 'I smell weed' whereas your body can't be searched until you're arrested (NOT detained)
medicalhershey ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 08:39:20 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Uh, this isn't true. They can ask you to take off your shoes and socks, why wouldn't they be able to do that? Or are you telling me the charge I had for something in my sock could have been thrown out? Lawyer didn't seem to think so.
NotAnFed ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 09:59:02 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
If they ask you to take off your clothes and you do that's consenting to a search, lmao
medicalhershey ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:55:35 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Yea, some thinks work in theory but not in practice. Like the K9 dog smelling marijuana in a car when you haven't smoked marijuana in years. The cops can take off your shoes and look in. Em if they want to man, try telling a cop no to taking off your shoes
I_will_draw_boobs ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:18:35 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Isnโt it legal there now? Whatโs his end game?
Jakexx360 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:19:23 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
He wanted coke, heroin, etc.
--_l ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:10:41 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Always trunk it.
CaptCaCa ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:22:44 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
โjust to play nice after seeing the guy from Wu-tang get messed up for refusing.โ
Explain this sentence please
Jakexx360 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:28:57 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Somebody from Wu-tang refused to provide his ID to a police officer during a traffic stop - which is completely legal in California. Only the driver is obliged to provide it. In any case, he got arrested for knowing his rights. Saw it on /r/videos, just tried to find it but failed
CaptCaCa ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:34:27 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Dam, gonna look that up now. Thanks.
Calsun ยท 77 points ยท Posted at 01:39:17 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)*
I'm like... 6 for 6 on cops pulling me over and being assholes. Maybe its just the area I live in. No clue...
I got a ticket for going 27 in a 25 on a Sunday morning when I told the officer I was driving to meet my family for breakfast.
I got a ticket for taking an "illegal right" hand turn because my right tire crossed over the white line during my turn.
I got a ticket for going 57 in a 55 because "I think you were going 57 back in that 45 zone" which I was not....
A friend of mine who was accepted to med school (has since graduated) at the time was pulled over for "obstructing traffic" because a cop was pacing him downtown and when my friend slowed down to change to the left lane to take a left the cop slowed down with him... eventually my friend was going about 10 MPG and the cop was still pacing him behind him and to the left (the lane he was needed to get into). This cop gave my friend a DUI and a ticket for carrying a weapon while intoxicated (he had a pocket knife of legal length). They illegally drew his blood at the station and he was at a 0.0%
I've never met a patrol officer and thought "This guy seems like a nice and reasonable guy"....They're literally all dickbags.
Edit: these were almost all in or around Boise, ID
handbanana42 ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 03:15:47 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
I've had a few decent situations. New car that didn't have automatic headlights but the day time driving lights were so bright I didn't notice.
Every ticket I've gotten was complete bullshit though. Twice for not stopping at a stop sign, even though I'm incredibly anal about doing full stops. They didn't have the visibility to see that I stopped. Going over the speed limit even though the sign was visible from where I was ticketed. Passing in the center lane even though I had proof I was making a left turn into my work. I even had my work badge on me and showed him.
Throwaway_Consoles ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:03:20 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Iโm sorry you got that ticket, but if you donโt mind me asking, what car was it? Having DRLs but no automatic headlights is such a weird combination.
Also Iโm not sure if your car has it but a lot of cars with electronic gauges have a yellow or green headlight symbol for headlights, and a blue one for high beams. Great way to make sure your headlights are on before you drive off, and make sure youโre not driving around with your high beams on and blinding everyone.
kris_krangle ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:21:43 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
My old car was an 08 Jetta and it had DRL but not automatic headlights. Although the DRL were just the low beams. Turning the lights to on just turned on the running lights.
handbanana42 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:54:12 on June 1, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Right? 2011 Honda Element. I was surprised too as my 2005 Chevy Equinox had them. I just assumed all cars did now.
It was the third night I drove like that with no idea. The running lights were almost as bright as my headlights in the old car.
IBetThisIsTakenToo ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 04:05:32 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
27 in a 25?? In NJ you're more likely to get a ticket for obstructing traffic at that speed. Does your car have "FUCK THE POLICE" bumper stickers all over or something? Cause damn.
coin_return ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 05:36:45 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
On the flipside, I've been pulled over 4 times and I've only been irritated with one of them's behavior. He was in the process of handing my driver's license back and I reached my hand out for it, and he yanked it back saying something like "Excuse me, you don't reach for it, I hand it to you." It was super pedantic.
One of the cops pulled me over two times in as many days because I have a bad habit of not holding my speed back when going downhill. He was nice and I'm grateful that he gave me a warning both times.
I'm a pretty inconspicuous white woman though and I just assume that has everything to do with it.
littlestrawberry0 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:49:38 on June 23, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
No no โyou donโt reach for it, I hand it to youโ is total power trip bullshit. So fucking gross
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 04:35:40 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Iโve had good and bad experiences.
Worst was getting a minor in possession 2 weeks before my 21st birthday for carrying a sixer of bud light in a parking lot. Handcuffed and detained in the backseat for a half hour.
Best was a really young cop who actually apologized for pulling me over for an illegal U turn and let me go with a warning.
All the others the cops were just really brusque. But not overly rude or mean.
Once I got a real job and a nicer car I stopped getting pulled over ๐
xvshx ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 06:05:57 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
It's expensive (and dangerous) to be (or look) poor (or like a minority).
beluga87 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:19:03 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Crikey, where tf do you live so I can never drive through there?
KikiFlowers ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:34:31 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
I've been pulled over twice within a few months, this year, got off with a warning both times. I didn't wait long enough at a stop and got caught. I think it helps that I'm White, but also that it's a college town(or at least the part of town I live in is), in the middle of bumfuck nowhere East Texas.
Erryuio ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:44:15 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Are you black?
mladakurva ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:59:30 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Christ on a stick when I read this I'm thankful we don't have this problem here. Cops are considered too soft sometimes. Firing one bullet (even if it's a warning shot) causes heaps of paperwork
The_Bigg_D ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 05:38:31 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
If you run into an asshole in the morning, you ran into an asshole.
If you run into assholes all day, youโre the asshole. Ever consider why you are getting a ticket for going 2 over?
xvshx ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 06:07:34 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Because his local PD is a bunch of shitheads? These folks have quotas to fill, it's not an absurd idea.
The_Bigg_D ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 06:16:46 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Itโs absurd to blame an entire police department for this guy being an asshole. It is unreasonable media induced paranoia to think that you arenโt safe around all police officers.
xvshx ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:49:38 on June 2, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Why do American cops have undercover vehicles? I don't even feel safe around civilian vehicles because of this. Do you have an extraordinarily good experience with cops or, let me guess, your daddy works down at the station?
SirGameandWatch ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 10:07:18 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Fuck off pig lover.
bcrabill ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 04:36:12 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
I remember seeing an article about a school providing kids training for how to safely interact with police. Because it's totally the children at fault, not the crazy adults with guns.
MagsClouds ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 05:55:10 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Yep. Got pulled over a while back in the middle of the night in Warsaw, Poland. I have just landed and was driving a rental and was a little dazed and confused. Missed the turn twice which meant I drove next to the police patrol car twice and twice did a semi legal (but very careful) right turn. The cops were lovely! They helped me to find my way and didnโt even get annoyed with me when I couldnโt find my rentalโs papers. Apparently I didnโt even need them because they can check it all online these days. They wished me safe journey and that was that.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:26:03 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Heck, even the cops in a police state like China are nicer.
(As long as you are suspected of crimes against the state that is. But normal stuff like speeding or jaywalking and they are surprisingly chill.)
Deleteq ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 02:14:40 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
I got pulled over and harassed for turning around in a McDonald's parking lot.
bleearch ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:03:40 on July 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
They originated as a way to hunt down escaped slaves. They selectively enforce property rights, much more for companies than for individuals. They murder with impunity, and not just non whites- see Daniel Carver.
TiltingAtTurbines ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 02:54:55 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)*
Iโve had nothing but good experiences with the police and the times Iโve been pulled over they were right to do so (speeding, tail light out, etc) and Iโd still use this. Even if your police interactions are minor non-events it doesnโt hurt to have your own record of events in case you find yourself facing charges โ mistakes happen even with people that have no malicious intent.
Hell, even if it wasnโt a mistake you may be able to get off or get reduced penalties if the officer didnโt follow procedure/protocol totally correctly.
its0nLikeDonkeyKong ยท -8 points ยท Posted at 01:58:51 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Don't fall for that white guilt bullshit PLEASE.
I say that as a minority. You have every right to be proud of who you are or whatever. All my stops have always been non events too.
Yes maybe I've been eyed suspiciously late at night due to my skin color... But that might have more to do with the crime in the area etc.
Turning my cabin lights on, turning the car off, casually resting my hands on top of the steering wheel/in plain view, etc
Having the music off. Not acting like this cop already knew what he was gonna book me for. Being respectful.
I know that wouldn't stuff the devil incarnate from shooting me through the windshield but it really is a non event. Unless you give them reason to.
It is not horrifying. It's questionably justifiable. **Just seems like political rhetoric" to me. I have yet to see an objective study. Leave your bubble & go talk to inner city cops or cops from the ugly neighborhoods & see why they pull over people like it's serious fuckin business. Especially in the hood.
Source: Raised in Inglewood
DrDoinahsaw ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 02:06:26 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
"Especially in the hood"
And just like that you've confirmed police target minorities
Skoomascatman ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 02:21:34 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)*
He didnโt confirm anything of the sort. He said they act like itโs serious business especially in the hood. Heโs referring to the act of pulling people over being more dangerous in the hood and so theyโd have more reason to be on edge.
Edit: also anyone can live in the hood, not just minorities.
DrDoinahsaw ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 02:55:02 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
"Anyone can live in the hood" holy shit are you ignorant. Yeah anyone can leave anywhere. Its so simple to just live out of the hood. Nevermind 90% of hood communities are minorities
Fuck off tard
Skoomascatman ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 03:03:48 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Lol
OhLordImDead ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 02:23:13 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Do you think itโs wrong of police to be on edge in a dangerous area? That has nothing to do with race.
DrDoinahsaw ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 02:55:52 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
When they aren't arresting innocent minorities
handbanana42 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:20:23 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
They are (sometimes) on edge a lot of times even in super safe neighborhoods and they see you're a local, in my experience.
Skoomascatman ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:24:40 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Very reasonable response. Iโve been pulled over a few times and I know to kill the engine, turn on lights, hands on wheel and donโt get the fuck out of the car lol. All this was taught in drivers ed, very basic shit. None of my cops were unreasonable and actually were very pleasant.
Mrka12 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:14:25 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Ew, uncle toms are gross
CabbageCarl ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 04:35:47 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
The only time Iโm super paranoid when being pulled over is when Iโm actively breaking the law
JollyGee333 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 09:14:12 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
You're the kind of people who say "I don't care if the government is recording my activity, I have nothing to hide!"
Thing is, everything is nice and good until it isn't.
CabbageCarl ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:30:35 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
No, Iโm literally not that person at all, why are you making dumb assumptions? I literally just told you I do illegal things. I speed. I drive home from the bar within reason. I have weed on me. Sometimes even more if itโs a fancy time.
anarchoslumberparty ยท 41 points ยท Posted at 23:29:21 on May 30, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
when things are so bad that the creepy surveillance devices in your car are possibly good things to have. what irony it would be if siri ratted you out for something in the first place.
captainkickasss ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 10:10:12 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
โHey Siri, Iโm being pulled over.โ
โOkay. Donโt tell the police about the half ounce of marijuana in the small red back in your black backpack that you have in the trunk.โ
DreadfullyBIzzy ยท 102 points ยท Posted at 22:12:17 on May 30, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Itโs sad that this is needed, but itโs very good information to have. Thanks for sharing, OP!
Rengiil ยท 32 points ยท Posted at 00:41:27 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
It's not on the phone. You have to download it from a third party.
siccoblue ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 03:02:07 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah this post is incredibly misleading
PrevorThillips ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:17:56 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Not really IMO
The post specifically uses the term โshortcutโ
You have to download shortcuts on an iOS device.
KindaMaybeYeah ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 03:21:12 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Itโs developed by apple
ToxicVigil ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 12:48:41 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Itโs from u/RobertAPetersen, I believe. Fantastic work, sir.
RobertAPetersen ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:11:56 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, Apple made the Shortcuts app, I made this shortcut that uses it.
tridion ยท 62 points ยท Posted at 23:43:06 on May 30, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Guess you'll need another one for when you don't want to risk the phone being unlocked and searched.
formerglory ยท 118 points ยท Posted at 23:53:39 on May 30, 2019 ยท (Permalink)*
Ask Siri โwhose phone is this?โ and it will auto-lock your phone and require your PIN on next unlock (instead of FaceID/TouchID).
You cannot be compelled to give up your passcode legally, but your fingerprint/face can be compelled/subpoenaed. Fun fact.
EDIT: invoke the command when the screen is off/locked. Wonโt work when the screen is on and the phone is unlocked. Press the lock button then issue the command. Youโll need hands-free Siri enabled for this, so itโs iPhone 6s and newer.
TheGreasyCaveman ยท 50 points ยท Posted at 00:46:42 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
THIS should be the top-rated comment. This is why I use a pin/password and NEVER FaceID/TouchID.
elitec0re ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 02:43:06 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
just click the power button 5 times. locks biometric access and will require a passcode.
CaptainK17 ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 04:38:31 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Or if you just hold the sleep/wake and top volume button for a couple of seconds. Youโll feel a vibration, and that locks biometric access as well.
CoruptedUsername ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 15:58:26 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
I thought pressing the power button 5 times called 911
BoboTheParrot ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:14:16 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Just tried. It shows three options: shut down, sos-emergency signal and cancel. When you tap cancel, you cannot use touch ID; you have to use a code to unlock the screen.
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 13:00:09 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
I just have to power off my phone and it won't even finish powering on without a pin entered, no fingerprint allowed.
voice-of-hermes ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 07:52:08 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Legality is not the only issue. Your face scan or fingerprint can be physically forced. No one can (yet) forcibly read a passphrase from your brain. It's a matter of factual ability, not just law (besides, if you don't think cops will forcibly unlock something whether or not it is technically "legal", you don't know squat).
failoutboy ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 11:44:07 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
You can also completely shut down your iphone. On reboot, it asks for pin and not a FaceID.
formerglory ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:45:33 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Harder to do this on the X-series, holding down the lock/power button invokes Siri, doesnโt power off the phone. You power it off through Settings, General, Power off.
failoutboy ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 11:46:44 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Hold down volume + power buttons for a faster way
formerglory ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:51:39 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
TIL. Volume Down + Power, works very fast. Thanks for the tip!
LucForLucas ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:07:45 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
If you don't have an iOS device, or can't think fast enough to lock it through this process, turn off the phone and it always asks for the PIN when you turn it on.
swamp_barber ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:02:32 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Just tried this and it didnโt work
formerglory ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 02:05:14 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Lock the screen and invoke Siri from screen off, then try the command.
swamp_barber ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 02:10:28 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Well sure, if my screen is already locked...I was hoping to use this as a back to back.
1) โHey Siri, whose phone is this?โ
2) โHey Siri, Iโm being pulled overโ
Is there a way it can auto-lock the screen beforehand?
formerglory ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:22:58 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
So you can do the โwhose phone is thisโ query and then manually launch the camera and start filming, but I havenโt figured out how to launch a Shortcut action while locked.
All my photos and videos get synced to iCloud so presumably any recorded video would get auto synced to iCloud and pulled down by my other devices.
swamp_barber ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 02:26:25 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Got it. I donโt have the money for iCloud unfortunately
aprofondir ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:26:28 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
You can use a non-shit storage service like Google Drive/Dropbox/Onedrive who sync stuff automatically but also don't rip you off with prices
formerglory ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:25:33 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
iCloud is the same price as GDrive and Dropbox, $9.99/mo for 2TB. OneDrive is better priced than all of them since you get Office 365 & 5TB shared across 5 accounts.
iCloud storage is the most convenient if youโre in the Apple ecosystem and have multiple people/devices. I share the 2TB iCloud plan with my wife and parents (to automate their backups and such) and it works great.
aprofondir ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:40:41 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Dropbox is much better with automated tasks and the extensions. iCloud is only good if you're going full Apple, like you say. But my comment was mainly referring to the fact that you get more storage for free on other services besides iCloud.
Not even including the fact that with Onedrive, if you have an .edu email, you can get 1TB+Office 365 for free.
formerglory ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 11:44:37 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Of them all, I prefer OneDrive the most, then iCloud. I have the 2TB iCloud plan and the $9.99/mo Office 365 family plan (again, shared with the wife and family). OD has the Files On Demand feature and is cross platform, which is great since I have both a Mac laptop and a PC desktop.
Also, not all schools participate in that OD/.edu thing, my alma mater doesnโt. They do give us alumni.__.edu emails which give us unlimited Google Drive however, so thatโs nice.
tridion ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:50:04 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Yep I know. Itโs a choice youโve got to make though - you wonโt be recording the video of the encounter if your phone is locked.
Iakeman ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:52:03 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
you can record video while your phone is locked. swipe left from the lockscreen to get to the camera.
davidkierz ยท 39 points ยท Posted at 22:55:03 on May 30, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Is this real? I need to activate Siri
NotEnoughCreamcheese ยท 56 points ยท Posted at 23:14:46 on May 30, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
You have to download it, itโs not a command by default
davidkierz ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 00:05:15 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Download a Siri command? Howโs that work?
baconinstitute ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 00:32:22 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
You can get it off iCloud as a shortcut. I only found out about it from this thread, but it looks like itโs similar to installing a browser extension. Thereโs a link to this specific shortcut in a top level comment on this thread.
MetatronsRubiksCube ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 01:51:18 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
I hadnโt considered custom verbal commands; might make for a fun programming project
slowclappingclapper ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:20:33 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
https://www.reddit.com/r/ABoringDystopia/comments/buxbdw/comment/epjyhss?st=JWBP7IFI&sh=41d4187c
ListenHereLadyJane ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 04:13:52 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
I was assaulted and raped at knifepoint in my own car. When I called the police, all of the responders were male. They took my phone and were attempting to look through it (I donโt know why). They never caught the guy but they sure as fuck ruined any faith I had in the police being โgood guys.โ
WhereIsLordBeric ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 06:55:26 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
I am so, so sorry.
Hugs to you, nice person.
lesser_expectations ยท 158 points ยท Posted at 22:06:08 on May 30, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
โHey Siri, technocratic-driven inequality is exploiting my labor for a fraction of its value and removing most of what I enjoy from life.โ
Murgie ยท 56 points ยท Posted at 23:39:13 on May 30, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
That's not what technocratic means, mate.
lesser_expectations ยท -21 points ยท Posted at 23:44:56 on May 30, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
I didnโt realize I had tried to define it.
fruitydollers69 ยท 34 points ยท Posted at 02:25:00 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
What? You used the word wrong
/r/iamverysmart
lesser_expectations ยท -18 points ยท Posted at 03:18:05 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
What would be the point in my arguing? I know what technocracy is, and I said exactly what I meant. Maybe you donโt understand what technocracy means in this context, and itโs easier to declare that I belong in r/iamverysmart than to try to figure it out? I donโt mean to dismiss what you say, but to simply assume my ignorance seems pretty unfair.
fuckathrowy ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 03:57:58 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
I mean its pretty obvious your comment makes no sense given the meaning of technocracy.
tpx187 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 03:24:09 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Too late you got shot.
lesser_expectations ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:31:24 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Iโm dead.
DosGardinias ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 02:40:57 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Lmao /r/quityourbullshit mate.
Murgie ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:27:04 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)*
You don't, you just need to use it to refer to what its definition refers to.
A technocracy, for reference, is a form of government in which decision-makers are selected on the basis of their expertise in the given field or area of responsibility which they're expected to oversee. So climate related matters would be handled by climate scientists, healthcare related matters would be handled by epidemiologists and the like, physical infrastructure would be handled by urban planners, civil engineers, and so on.
And as I'm sure you are aware, the United States -particularly the current administration- currently falls short of this concept. There are members of the science council who straight up deny evolutionary theory, never mind anthropogenic climate change.
What you were thinking of is something called a plutocracy.
marblar ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:46:00 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)*
Technocratic isn't necessarily good. I'd argue that, if anything, it's most commonly used to refer to an imagined system with an oppressive bureaucracy that legitimizes itself with self-declared "expertise". I'm thinking something like China or Terry Gilliam's Brazil.
The OP you replied to is using technocratic in this sense. The corporate-dominated economic system in the US is pretty technocratic. It hires laborers, accountants, CEOs, etc. based on their capabilities, talents, and education (for the most part). But this system also perpetuates existing inequities. It hires employees with the best training, from the best schools, but has little sympathy for anyone else.
This idea of an oppressive technocracy is also related to the myth of meritocracy. Meritocracy was itself a term originally coined to refer pejoratively to an imagined dystopian society that arises from the oppression of the talent-less.
signedint ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 23:35:46 on May 30, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Wouldn't it be great we had technocracy instead of whatever the fuck this is
nermid ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 00:54:40 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Racist Plutocracy?
thesleepofdeath ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:37:59 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Plutocratic Oligarchy
SatsumaHermen ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 02:16:18 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
I mean you could consult countries that have had structural adjustment programmes enforced on them by the IMF and youโd see the a fraction of the results of a technocratic government.
AccessTheMainframe ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:16:32 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
What fraction do you reckon?
Gigadweeb ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:29:22 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
"Got it, now 3D printing an AK."
KawaiiVancouverOuji ยท -7 points ยท Posted at 00:27:52 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
i mean you could always go back to the olden days and be a fucking farmer and have literally nothing for entertainment except yourself/your family.
laserbot ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 00:47:31 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Ya because all of that empirical evidence that exists saying that people 'didn't have fun' before 2007 and that we're definitely not miserable now in this dystopia that's been created.
fuckathrowy ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:58:59 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah because it all started in 2007. Technology did not exist before then.
SCAND1UM ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 22:58:16 on May 30, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Does android have this?
spellchevk ยท 29 points ยท Posted at 23:14:18 on May 30, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
you can add a custom Routine in Google Assistant that does the same thing. Very easy, just added it to mine.
that_computer_guy123 ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 23:48:36 on May 30, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Can you tell me what commands you're using? I tried to set it up and the begin recording video command doesn't seem to work.
spellchevk ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 23:52:02 on May 30, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Put phone on silent
Pause music
Start recording video
It's odd that begin recording video didn't work, that opens up on mine when I run that command manually
MintyCyanide ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 23:49:44 on May 30, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
I figured out how to lower brightness, set it to silent and open the video recorder. How do I get it to automatically start recording?
spellchevk ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 23:54:55 on May 30, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Instead of asking it to open the video recorder, just tell it to start recording video. Seems like it knows how to interpret that.
KILLJEFFREY ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 02:59:19 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Not the same thing, but good to know.
You can enable a "lockdown" option accessible via the power button.
If you have the finger reader setup it requires you to input your passcode/password/pattern which are have more protection unlike the former.
SCAND1UM ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:21:50 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
how do you enable it?
KILLJEFFREY ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:27:25 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Setting > search > lockdown > show lockdown option
SCAND1UM ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:20:05 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Darn my phone doesn't seem to have it
viperex ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:17:51 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Snowden was working on an app like this. I believe it was called Haven but it wasn't in the Play store
ReeferEyed ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:49:14 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=org.havenapp.main
It is.
viperex ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:33:05 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
I stand corrected
lordberric ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 05:46:40 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
This is so disturbing. Like, this is a country where the police are acknowledged as dangerous unpredictable animals. And yet nothing is done.
CriminalMacabre ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 09:57:39 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
"Hey siri, I'm being pulled over while black"
"Calling funeral services"
ieatassonfirstdate ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 10:52:51 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
F
SqueesDream ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 00:19:38 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Is there something like this for android??? Asking for a friend...
spellchevk ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 00:31:53 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
some discussion on it above
mrwileycoyote ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 13:54:38 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Great shortcut. Can we also add to the shortcut to disable the thumbprint or eye scan to unlock phone?
FYI Police can ask you to unlock your phone with thumbprint or eye scan.
wittyinsidejoke ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 00:26:45 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
This is the "bulletproof children's backpacks" of big tech
Suvantolainen ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 03:38:16 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Sounds like something r/upliftingnews would love.
Allodoxaphobiaa ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 07:57:49 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Sorry if this has been said but (if you have facial recognition on) its a good idea to restart your phone becauae then they cant just point it at your face be like "oh its unlocked" and look through it.
Legion257 ยท 28 points ยท Posted at 01:28:01 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
As an officer I'm good with this. If it makes you feel less tense cool. I've no intention of hurting anyone. Besides I got my stuff recording too so fair is fair.
If an officer has a problem with being recorded maybe he should reevaluate his disposition of the job.
laughncow ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 02:24:42 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Yes be we all know not all cops act professionally like you do.
Legion257 ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 02:26:13 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
You are correct sir. Ive worked with them. Hell I had to train some. But I hope this new wave of recording helps stop police misconduct
ArtoriasBIG ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 03:41:49 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Out of curiosity did you take any personal steps to curb that behavior or protect the public from those officers?
Legion257 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 03:47:52 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
I did what I could. Some people come in with a bad mind set and you can sometimes fix that, other tines no.
Luckily I was a field training officer so I could recommend corrective actions and for the most the department listened.
But honestly in my experience if someone has a toxic attitude and can't accept criticism then there isnt much I can do.
Erryuio ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 04:50:30 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Why are these people not getting screened out in the training process? Surely youโd want the people best suited to protect and serve?
Agunlian ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:49:23 on October 20, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
lol you think theyre really gonna stand for that? they intentionally hire idiots they can be sure won't accidentally do anything of their own volition
laughncow ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:04:21 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Thank you for acknowledging that. Don't get tainted as the career gets older. Good cops get manipulated by the bad ones
Legion257 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:41:10 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
I'm fairly set in my ways. Been at it for awhile now. It takes way more energy for me to be a dick then just being cool with people. I actually rather give warnings then arrest or ticket people.
laughncow ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:16:11 on June 1, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Thank you. Buy yourself some Bitcoin you can thank me in 2 years.
VexIsRed ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:23:53 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Ending the state monopoly on violence will also end police misconduct
SuchFaithlessness ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 05:31:36 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
What does that mean?
Grapz224 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 06:46:11 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
It means whatever he wants it to mean.
So it actually means nothing.
Agunlian ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:48:29 on October 20, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
yeah its really important to have those videos so when we can be 100% sure the cop murdered the unarmed black guy we can give em 4 months of paid leave instead of 3. that'll really show em, good work boyz
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:30:33 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
โPut your car in parkโ person tries to comply โHeโs got a gunโ
Name a better duo.
voice-of-hermes ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 07:55:27 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
You being an officer, nobody should give a fuck whether you're good with it or not.
JollyGee333 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 09:11:46 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
He still has the right to express his feeling on the matter, dipstick
Such opinions that can only be voiced by a small amount of concerned people are that much more important and interesting.
voice-of-hermes ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 09:18:13 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
LOL. Nah. Fuck off, bootlicker. No cop needs you defending his rights. Pigs: the truly oppressed minorityโ . :-/
โ Right up there with gamers, of course.
monsterfurby ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 09:32:53 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
That was an uncalled for escalation.
voice-of-hermes ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 09:39:54 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
LOL. Holy shit.
monsterfurby ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 10:00:23 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
You: I don't give a fuck about this guy's feelings.
Me: That's a bit uncalled for.
You: THIS GUY IS SCREAMING ESCALATION!!!
I mean, it wasn't me turning this into an emotional shouting match. I just don't get why we wouldn't encourage a very rare positive, pro-civility stance from a police officer when there are clearly so many out there who don't share that position.
voice-of-hermes ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:15:19 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Cops are never there to protect you or your rights, whatever is coming out of their mouths at any given time. Falling for that shit is part of the problem.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:22:24 on June 1, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
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voice-of-hermes ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:49:47 on June 1, 2019 ยท (Permalink)*
OH SHIT! I've run into "COMMON SENSE." Oh, whatever shall I do?!
I mean, if you're black they're about as likely to shoot you as anyone breaking in. They're also almost always useless in a home break-in, as the person doing the breaking is usually long gone by the time the cops arrive. And so it is with most crimes you'd hope the police might help you with: generally you'll get to tell them what happened after the fact (like you could tell anyone else), and that'll be it.
To some extent we've insisted that cops at least make the pretense of enforcing laws that protect the rest of us (otherwise we'd likely never stand for their existence), but their main purpose has always been to protect the state and the property and interests of the wealthy and to repress the self-determination (our ability to live, thrive, organize, self-govern, and sustain ourselves independently) of the "common folk." It's still almost entirely what they act on, and being the fundamental design of the institution, always will beโuntil we finally abolish them, that is.
Yes, I know we've all been fed the Law and Order/Cops/CSI coproganda and many still believe cops are some glorious, divine band of heroes without which we'd certainly all just be murdered on the spot, but that's completely unfactual and ahistoric.
Origins of the Police
monsterfurby ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:55:05 on June 1, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
If that's not what they are there for, then you wouldn't be able to hold them to that standard. The issue here is that this IS what they're there for - police in the US just tend to be underfunded, insufficiently trained (with a really low barrier of entry) and understaffed for the area they have to cover. In addition, broad availability of firearms in combination with an overall rather violent culture (firearms alone aren't the issue) lead to even more qualified cops on one hand having to be borderline paranoid and, on the other hand, people with violent tendencies entering the police force.
Again, that's not to say that there aren't many police officers who do deserve credit for their work and many who would do an actually good job given better training, equipment and oversight.
SiliconeGiant ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 00:30:17 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
To be honest that's actually pretty rad I didn't know about that
Kayfabed17 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 01:49:16 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
I installed the shortcut, it works manually running but Siri keeps telling me she donโt know what the hell im talking about
FbK_536 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:41:32 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Go to Shortcuts app, to Library, click on the dots on the corner of the shortcut โPulled over the Policeโ. then click on the top right corner which resembles the toggle on and toggle off button. You will reach Settings. There youโll find a option โAdd to Siriโ. You have to save it with your voice. ๐
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 02:09:15 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
This is actually awesome. I was in a situation with a dangerous, unstable person who threatened to kill me at one point. Basically every time I got home I was liable to run into this asshole, he lived down my hallways. It was a nightmare.
Every time I left my apartment I started the recorder on my phone in case something happened. I was also worried that if I got the recording and he realized it he would smash my phone or delete it or some shit. Itโs great that Siri will send the video to someone for that reason.
Idk, it was just a fucked up situation and itโs cool to know this sort of thing exists.
ericsvw ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 04:06:30 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Is there an Android version of this?
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 05:14:18 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
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ericsvw ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:31:18 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Thank you
magicaxis ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 07:40:02 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Being murdered by the cops is now 100% hypernormalised
littytitty00 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 14:06:06 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
USA! USA! USA!
katherineomega ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 22:47:47 on May 30, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
The Siri on my phone โdoesnโt know what that meansโ
Sentreen ยท 34 points ยท Posted at 22:53:20 on May 30, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
These days you can add shortcuts to siri: a predefined phrase that will trigger certain functionalities. I never used this myself, but you would need to set up this specific shortcut for it to work.
PerrinDreamWalker ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 22:56:39 on May 30, 2019 ยท (Permalink)*
You have to set it up in Siri shortcuts.
katherineomega ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:46:59 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Ah.
fro99er ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:14:29 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Can we get this on android?
DevanHansen ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:21:03 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Downloaded it and set up the necessary settings but Siri still wants me to unlock my phone before the camera starts recording. Got a fix for that?
0verused ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 03:09:02 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
fuck every cop (who ever did his job)
Scooter-Jones ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 04:57:02 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Ok, I just told Siri "that I'm getting pulled over by the police", and it started playing Roxanne by the Police. I got the dumb Siri.
Lowtech00 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:10:40 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
You need to pay 399$ for the good version.
LevitatingTurtles ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:49:06 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Also needs to disable biometric authentication into the device.
Party_Wolf ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:06:29 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
People have unjustly been killed by the state for literally all of history. This is just one way of counteracting the governments ability to get away with it in a country with a rule of law.
EleventhToaster_ ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:10:43 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
It's sad how little we do and can trust people in positions of authority anymore.
plsobeytrafficlights ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:26:26 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
wait, is that real? thats really saying something about how messed up things are if phones come with a "i might be about to be wrongfully murdered and want evidence button"
DetN8 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 08:40:36 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
No, this is something a user made to run through an iphone app. This is not a default feature of the phone.
owleaf ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:34:03 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
I mean you can literally say that to Siri and itโll activate this shortcut. You can teach Siri to activate a shortcut when you say a specific phrase. But yeah this really shouldnโt need to exist
jakslasher ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 11:37:34 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
What a definitely not terrifying world we live in
frogfeets ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 11:49:23 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
It would be helpful if this also required a PIN/Password to unlock your phone after being pulled over. A few court cases have set a precedent that police can compel you to unlock your phone using fingerprint/face recognition/ voice recognition. But they can't compel you to enter a PIN/ password. If I'm ever being pulled over, I always restart my phone, as it requires a PIN on bootup.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 09:48:54 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Isn't this a good thing? I don't get this sub...
CloudyMN1979 ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 10:04:02 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
It is a good thing.. and that's a bad thing.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:33:24 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
hashtag deep
1Desk ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:15:47 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Holy_Jumper ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:47:27 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Whatโs the name of this app?
thelights0123 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 01:26:05 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
link to download shortcut
link to reddit post by developer
xelerated1 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:14:37 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
This working for anyone? She just tells me she didn't understand
johnny115 ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 01:29:50 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
its a shortcut you download
nicolasignn ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:37:43 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Sad we actually need that :c
HolliWood84 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:40:22 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
I'm just thankful I haven't been raped when pulled over. Twice I was made to get in the back seat of the police car while they did their thing. That was terrifying.
buttercookiess ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:50:02 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Do I have to download an app or is this available on every iPhone?
PostModernPost ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:15:13 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Does android do this?
Cameltoezors ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:53:50 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Damn this is a great idea, Iโm getting it just in case of any emergency (mugging, kidnap, etc).
antonivs ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:03:44 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
To activate the extra vigilance mode, say "Hey Siri, I'm getting pulled over while black."
DevelopedDevelopment ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:26:27 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
"I feel threatened" means "I can shoot you"
Sectus ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:55:00 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
The job just kind of makes you that way. There's nothing that can really be done about it. With the political climate the way it is, the dangers of the job, and how much people treat you horribly regardless of what decision you make, it really forces a negative outlook on life onto you. Hence why some of them are so unfriendly.
You try being under public scrutiny 24/7 for the smallest decision.
Firestorm7i ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:45:47 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
At first I was like ok, thatโs cool, then I got to the part about the video and started feeling sad again.
PorchSittinPrincess ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:52:17 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Whoa! Does "ok google" have a similar feature?
KiwiAlex ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:39:45 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
This is a great idea. The problem we have in New Zealand is people think they don't need this, but then find out the hard way that they do.
mellowmonk ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:57:30 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
PATRIOT Act VII will allow the police to disable that feature automatically when they turn off their body cameras.
Yollom ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:43:06 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Why are American cops so weird/aggressive compared to most other places?
Spicetake ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:31:40 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
This is the most fucked up shit
onlyr6s ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:57:41 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Where in the world is this useful feature? USA?
guiltyas-sin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:27:33 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Not very dystopian. Just saying. Especially when the top comment is the download link.
Luks3n ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:32:36 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
That this sounds like a very sensible idea to many US Americans just shows how f'ed up the situation in America is. This would be an entirely outlandish thing in Europe. But I somewhat get it, when one has to assume that every car driver has a firearm before having established the opposite the police have to act differently. That such a thing exists and apparently is useful just baffles my European mind.
XRP_MOON ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:56:44 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Can we get OneDrive as an upload option? I donโt use Dropbox or iCloud for cloud storage.
lunar_90 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:57:40 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Can you download shortcuts like how you download โskillsโ for Alexa?
Scoobygroovy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:18:42 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
This isnโt real. I tried it on mt iphone.
Slabanananana ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:23:40 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
And saying "Hey Siri, I'm getting pulled over while being black" will also popup a bulletproof vest from underneath the passenger seat.
TheDurhaminator ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:24:08 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Every time I try to download it just links me to the App Store. I have shortcuts downloaded
faust1138 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:10:44 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
How is this not a hostage situation.
CaptCaCa ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:18:02 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
yeah, but what about us that got like 1mb available always on our phones?
CaptCaCa ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:34:03 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Dam, gonna look that up now.
youbidou ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:42:04 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Useful shortcut! We need more of those. Someone want something I should try to create and share?
SCWarriors44 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:47:30 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
So I downloaded the shortcuts app but I canโt find this one anywhere?
thisboi1738 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:50:20 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Sorry but can someone tell me how to do all of this step by step? Iโm sorry Iโm just trying to set this up because Iโm getting my license and this could really come in handy itโs kind of confusing for me
RadiantPrincessBunny ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:56:42 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
, uui u
thorw_away1900 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:07:51 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
I canโt find it to get installed
Americanspy1025 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:50:12 on June 10, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Cops bad socialism good duuhhhhh
Shredder5780 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:08:21 on June 12, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Man this really sucks. The fact that we need this, and people (Especially all of the people with darker-coloured skin) feel they need this.
I kind of wanted to be a cop when I was younger, and it still feels like something I might want to do when Iโm older, but if when Iโm a cop and I pull someone over and Iโm fretting about whether they think Iโm gonna shoot them? Thatโs fucked up. Hearts out to all the victims, and the family and friends of the victims of police violence and brutality.
RustyBuckets6601 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:11:56 on June 12, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Damn, is there no android version?
gratethecheese ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:01:37 on June 19, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
It's shitty that this is needed but fuck me that's a good idea
ScorpioLP2 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:40:29 on July 26, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Iโm brown and ever since I was 13 Iโve been tense around police officers.
Afyoogu ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:57:20 on August 26, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
ah, so after the cops murder you, sprinkle the requisite amount of crack, realize all that was recorded, and destroy your phone, there's still a record of it somewhere. how thoughtful
Agunlian ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:47:25 on October 20, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
its funny that it sends the video to a contact because theres a real chance a random psychopath with a badge will murder you on a power trip and destroy your phone to erase the video. what a hoot.
brazblue ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 00:32:40 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
What app or setting does this (or is it satire). I could really use this. Beciase the world is this dystopian.
WaffleSloth4th ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:16:40 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Iโve read itโs user created, probably in the โshortcutsโ app for iPhone
DaRickSanchezPHD93 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:08:01 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
This is absurd
Hyperhexjoe ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:44:20 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Who would use this though?
mrniceguy421 ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 03:04:23 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
People who want evidence of their interaction with the police to be recorded...?
Panda_Hero01 ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 03:32:28 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Alright, yโall need to calm down and stop acting like you have a 1/10 chance of getting shot during a traffic stop.
On average there are about 20,000,000 traffic stops conducted by police a year
In 2018 1,083 people were shot and killed by police officers
Now I am going to say even though this is 100% false that every single police shooting took place during a traffic stop.
Even still that means you have a 0.00005% chance of getting killed during a traffic stop.
Bear in mind you have a 0.03% chance of dying in a DUI accident, this means you 500 times more likely to die in a DUI wreck then in a traffic stop, and that is assuming that all 1,083 police shootings took place during a traffic stop.
Sources: https://www.peoplekilledbypolice.com/2018
https://openpolicing.stanford.edu/findings/
https://www.cdc.gov/motorvehiclesafety/impaired_driving/impaired-drv_factsheet.html
Testiclese ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 07:58:16 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
I find the risk of dying by meteorite strike acceptable. I donโt worry about when I leave my house. Itโs one of those โoh well what can you doโ. The risk of death by cop should be lower than that. It should be zero. Anything larger than zero, no matter how minuscule, assuming Iโve done nothing wrong, is unacceptable.
DrSavagery ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:22:31 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
I agree in principle, but unfortunately cops are people, and people are stupid and make horrible decisions. Vote for RoboCops and im all for it.
Dookiestain_LaFlair ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:42:12 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Sorry all we have are these surplus ED-209 units.
SweetLenore ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 03:59:48 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Cool, now add in the numbers of people who get the shit beat out of them by cops. Now add the occasional rape.
And finally, add in people who are arrested for resisting arrest (weird right?).
Would be nice to have a camera during those situations too.
Finding_Cory ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:22:24 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Why is is weird that people get a resiting arrest charge? Are you saying people should be allowed to flee from and attack the police if they don't want to be arrested? That just doesn't make sense. Resiting arrest isn't what people get arrested for, it is just a charge added to whatever they were already being arrested for.
Also, almost all police officers wear a body camera, and if you want the footage from an incedent, call the police or sheriff's department and they will almost always give you the footage.
SweetLenore ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:55:00 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
People arrest people for resisting arrest when the cops had no reason to arrest them in the first place. It's a very common thing.
Finding_Cory ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:44:19 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Is it? Can you give me an example where someone was only arrested for resisting arrest and nothing else?
SweetLenore ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:21:51 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
This is an extremely common tactic used all over america and it's a pretty well-known way for cops to push their weight around when you aren't doing anything wrong. Just google about resisting arrest being the only charge.
Finding_Cory ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:29:53 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
If it's so common why haven't you given me a specific example yet? Because I googled it and I'm not seeing any specific cases, only broad generalizations.
SweetLenore ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:00:11 on June 1, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
So wait, all the articles about it mean nothing to you? In this climate of police shootings on video, you really think someone getting arrested for resisting arrest is going to make national headlines?
Nonetheless, here's one that I found in two seconds: https://reason.com/2014/03/24/florida-man-arrested-for-resisting-arres/
Finding_Cory ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 12:05:45 on June 1, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
First off, your article does not go into depth at all about the case. Additional research will bring you to the fact the he disobeyed a police order. He was detained for 15 hours then released with no charges.
SweetLenore ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:05:50 on June 1, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Your goalpost shifting is obnoxious. You seem to think this doesn't happen at all, then I show this does happen, and you say the article isn't good enough. Like...what do you want here other than to feel right?
And what was the police order? Link?
Finding_Cory ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:01:05 on June 1, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Here is an article that goes into more depth. It even has a video from the case. The person that got arrested "just for resisting arrest" did not even need to get themselves involved. They put themselves into a situation where they were interfering with the police.
As for what I want here, I honestly just hate it when people just blindly hate on the police. I understand that some police do make mistakes, and there is some police who are less than unbiased, but I just dont like it when people generalize all police by these few bad officers. Often it's not even the officers fault, but rather poor training. This blind hatred of police is unsafe for multiple reasons. It make people scared of the police. This adds tension to even a simple traffic stop, making the potential for it to turn violent much greater. This police hatred also can get police killed, like in the Dallas shooting.
By the way, I just wanted to say I appreciate your debate skills. Rather than resorting to ad hominem you actually argued, unlike most of the anti-police people, and I appreciate that.
Reddit4Quarantine ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:24:24 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
nah fam you should be able to murder someone, and like hide-and-seek if you get to your home base after the murder the cops cant charge you.
UriahHeep1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:34:23 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
So what you're saying is there's still a chance!
deathsgrace ยท -13 points ยท Posted at 19:56:28 on May 30, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
This seems fake. My iPhone doesnโt have that capability
AveryLikesThings ยท 117 points ยท Posted at 20:21:12 on May 30, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
It's an IOS shortcut, very real. Although I understand why you might think it could be fake. Apple themselves would never, ever do this on their own.
NotMilitaryAI ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 21:55:34 on May 30, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
I don't see much of a reason that Apple wouldn't do such a thing. Their company has a pretty libertarian philosophy and they don't really have a history of being eager to cooperate with law enforcement.
e.g. The Apple vs FBI case
Wobblie ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 22:56:00 on May 30, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Just because they want favorable privacy laws for themselves as a corporation doesn't mean that they give a shit when black folks are harassed by the police.
NotMilitaryAI ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:13:29 on May 30, 2019 ยท (Permalink)*
I'm not saying that they would be likely to do it, I'm saying that it wouldn't be something I'd consider them unlikely to do. The "never, ever" part makes implies that it would be some form of aversion rather than apathy.
And that case wasn't just about their own privacy. The FBI was demanding that Apple give them the ability to unlock any and every iOS device on the goddamn planet.
Edit: Typo
SCtester ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 02:21:57 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
How was that about their own privacy?
Wobblie ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:05:21 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
I never said it was about their own privacy. I said it was favorable to them, which all that stuff was.
[deleted] ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 20:10:57 on May 30, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
OK, but its plausibility highlights the police brutality issue that is a hallmark of our Boring Dystopia.
awhaling ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 22:45:23 on May 30, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
I mean, I literally have it on my phone and it works. So no.
Do you not know about the shortcuts app?
And for the record a user created this shortcut, not apple. Dude who made it even posted about it on reddit, which is how I found out about it.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:04:28 on May 30, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
living with your hands over your eyes
antihostile ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 20:35:36 on May 30, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
It's in the new update:
https://www.businessinsider.com/ios-12-shortcut-uses-iphone-to-record-police-during-traffic-stop-2018-10
SciGuy013 ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 22:54:48 on May 30, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
It's user created
WaywardBeanCounter ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 02:12:32 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Didnโt work for me. If I get pulled over Iโm screwed
trumpruns ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 02:15:25 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
just tried it and it didn't work
GameMusic ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 02:22:28 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
This is not dystopia it is great
mlemTaco ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 03:02:57 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Do you have to make the shortcut? My siri doesnโt do that.
theordinaryone ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:30:55 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
You need to download the Siri Shortcuts app and find / install this shortcut
penFTW ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 03:26:09 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
Knowing and maximizing your rights is not dystopian. I mean fuck at least we have rights and these videos can clear you in the case of wrongful accusations. Now getting killed for nothing could certainly be considered dystopian, but not a bad thing to protect yourself legally speaking.
xX_ChildLover69_Xx ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:23:23 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
The point is that the situation recruiting it is dystopian.
delilahandrose ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 08:56:40 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
I just tried to look this up. Iโm not finding anything on the App Store.
creeper0415 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:39:41 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
You need to install the shortcuts app (apple has it installed by default on some newer models I think??) and then I found it by searching โpoliceโ
NayMarine ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:56:13 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
have you tried not being a fucking asshat and complying?
mellowjoellow ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 02:32:45 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
This doesnโt work. This is not a real feature.
coder65535 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:56:03 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
I have an android, but from the context of the screenshot, this is a "shortcut", which appears to be extra Siri commands that come with apps. Thus, some app adds this behavior, it's not stock.
DetN8 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:42:47 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
If you have an iphone and have the shortcuts app, you can download (or make) this shortcut. Then you can assign a voice command to the shortcut.
I see what you mean though. The way this is presented does not make it clear that this is not a built-in feature.
highgrvity ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 13:13:36 on May 31, 2019 ยท (Permalink)
You dont need this of you just act loke a normal fucking person...
Dont scream "hands up dont shoot" Dont pull put your phone real quick and scream "im recording this" Dont keep asking "am i being detained" Dont be a annoying fuck
Surprising fact incoming!
No you were not pulled over because you are (enter race here)
You got pulled over becuase you either were
Driving like a idiot Somthing is wrong with your car ie headlight rear light gas can open etc and cops tryna help you out.
Also most phones are black :0 so when you grab your phone in a hurry then quickly point it at a officer yes you just raised your chances of getting shot or escalation the situation.
If your that scared of cops get a fucking dash cam and quit acting like idiots.